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I forgot how it this shit goes we're gonna run into a I'm so out of it today row. I don't know why these it's this caffeine and these fucking I injected into my veins of folks and those calls coming home against an anime news for the first bit of news. We got we got a fake Grand order movie trailer, not me. I'm ready for some new fate, bro. I'm ready. This is the second. And or this is like the second one of the Fate ordered. There's so many movies that yeah, this is the second one that the Fate Order series. But yeah, I thought I read something that sells a prequel or it may be because you know how they mostly do got the sequel first so I can continue to store and they just like to go back and be like, okay stuff. You didn't know about let's cover that this pothole. I'm still a fan of the yeah, but what you think about the Steve? I thought it was cool. I mean the one that much in the trailer, but I believed me you and black watched granddaughter. Yeah, and don't was with the is okay. What's his name? The guy you like the way I answered the wizard was the Caster wheels like, whoa, it was a Bigfoot. Watching any other fate stuff that doesn't like stay with the story of faiths a knife a zeros types of so, I mean face a fate order is okay, but fate a Paco Paco, it was like a bit too much of than I because what they do in there is like Battle Royale and then everyone just like their own man. I was like yo, that's crazy. I thought it was clean. I had that was too much, but nobody Just a little this trailer looked at the trailer itself. Just like I'm fine with them making another movie this one since I watched the first one it was cool. So I'm pretty sure this one's gonna be well, I'll take a look at it. Judge. Are you watching me for the feet? I don't know if you do. No, no, I do not have to go. Has been announced the Netflix anime of bullshit Panda looking like where they talk like South Park, I believe and yeah na yeah, you know. I haven't watched it JoJo has but JoJo that's cool. Apparently, it's more powerful than I thought it would be. But yeah, it's a cool tour like Slice of Life rom-com sort of thing. So if you enjoy that sort of shit and you'll enjoy that I know they promoted quite a bit and that flicks. Yeah always finish it on top of like the homepage of shit. Yeah pretty cool dude that shit in there for the I don't know and boys the show. Yeah, there's not a lot of news. So we're gonna jump into Dragon Ball Fighters was character announcement of June MBA the gym but trailer so this was announced that Evo this year. Y'all don't know evil was going on the most height fighting game tournament. The whole year once a year it happens, you know every other fighter jumps in the pools and see if they could swim so, you know, we got this trailer here and not only did we get to see jigeon MBA but we also got to see it's not go Gia. What was it is it knows go Drita from the Broly movie. Alright, so let's just start off engine MBA. Whoa, Steve waiter since you play this game more now than me what you think about your limit in immature? He looks clean. I'm glad it's the the final form Geneva instead of the fat one. I'm gonna guess that people but we got enough big characters. Whoa crazy not talking like like broglie's not fat. He's big. He's big I'm talking like Janelle Burrell is probably bigger than Brolin's. Alright, what? Hold on. What's this guy doing fat? Talk this now. I'm just saying bro. You trying to get this podcast and we got an eviction is indigo Kansas show's over you play D P of Z, you know, like the taller the character they have like a super huge weakness, but like yeah, that's my main one and the smaller they are the harder they are to hits original Goku looks like crazy. You know, that's the first time I see nobody in the tournament. We're getting off track. But first time I seen play it with the Sonic Fox and go1 but we Tri Luigi. Yeah shout team for winning. That shit was crazy. I caught like the I think the last set so I know but she was cool. Yeah, but I seen the trailer as well as genomic dealer crazy. I was telling you see before we recorded I think That makes me want to get back into Dragon Ball Fighters and I haven't been on that since Broly came out and I stopped playing because one the combos were kind of getting born. It's like the same stuff like boom boom. Boom repetitive you think? Oh, no, I think I could just I could switch it up Learn learn back how to how to fight in that game because it is kind of crazy. It's fast-paced and stuff. So you need The combo thing like yeah during that time. It was like the same stuff but like it was a patch that like made it where you can you have more complements. What? Yeah. Okay. I am I especially in the corner you can do all all types of stuff. So yeah, this is pretty crazy. But um, yeah gentleman looks clean gold Judah looks and insane just from the little bit. We saw this game to Gogeta road because you look crazy. He looked animation was like you were saying I want to say before pod me you're saying they looks like the movie. Yes. Like I don't know if that was a level 3 until Level or level 1 into a level 3 or what the hell happened, but it looked exactly like the movie but now you look like they can literally rip the scene up. Yeah, it looks out of the movie and put it in the game actually seen did you see the side-by-side screenshots? Yeah on the Twitter. Yeah, and then they were like showing some other stuff like features stuff got it was like Sage music and stuff a little bit of that the more content just like characters are coming look like it and I don't believe JoJo plays so why am I gonna ask him? Well, I'm going to say what you mean. George was pathetic. So the last character that's going to come out with this season is going to be Broly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so why? And now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know if I want that this like sure the Broly from the original movie and from the new movie right like completely different characters, but like they're fighting style is practically the same weight is it it's him when he's powered down is it or no? I don't know the one that's going to be I'm the new brother. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. We don't if it is if it's him power down which I really doubt it because I don't think he fought that much when he was far down. No he falls for Judah like his whole fight was knocking the little Lake and she's are powering up with more fucking wall. Yeah, I remember you. Yeah, I don't know. Listen. I think that's another problem. I had with Fighters by stuff they're receiving. Bunch of Goku's recover nicely. Alright Goku Goku now that things but I don't know if I'm coming back to my town. So we're in MK. But yeah, since we're talking about fighting games and stuff and whatnot Arc systems. When anime, would you guys like to see in an arc system fighting game? This is a couple broken. It's a couple first off it was fate stay night because like a fake looks a lot. Like what is it BlazBlue and Grand Bleu de already. They're already actually super sorry. I know that you say that not just with art, but I definitely could be a fighting it like it should be it's only thing it can be I think In game 2 D like come on, bro. Yeah, someone get on it. It'll work. Well like they could They could do like what is it conceals the specials and stuff. Yeah, they could do command skills. They can use that as like a the power the like The X Factor system and they can use that they get above mobile boom will combat factor and about and only when they're in the the command sales take they can do that the little finish Noble Phantasm. Yeah. Oh my God the scenes and that would be That would be silly just like it'll be just like what is it Guilty Gear? No, not even guilty guilty gear because like when you doing a Guilty Gear so want to kill? Oh, yeah, that would be clean. Oh my God. Yeah. I don't know how they haven't just done it. Yeah anyone's listening from Mark systems, which I highly highly highly highly highly highly highly. I live in doubt. You know, I mean maybe one of our listeners get the connect and then that connect got the connect, you know, relay this message to them. Tell him we want a fake state or not going to fade stay just a fake fighting game like record that whole world just the fighters. You can't endless the characters. Maybe you could do not even just the gameplay was they are let's take it a business day. I'll see you but like different characters skin. Like saber and stuff. Come on Bones as money right there in your pockets free. Now. My wallet is already like at the bank right now. I'm trying. Yeah, but enough that your JoJo would fight again, would you want that's an animal or a ton? Okay. Okay, I can see that. I'm not gonna talk to my eyes character with some you know, that cements not actual shooter. Whatever that we cool. All right, I think did that would actually work pretty good. It'll be more grounded. I think yeah for sure more it won't be nothing like outlandish like one punch man or nothing like yeah, I definitely would it be like fucking Fighters, but everything's gonna be all right, but I think Steve do you know what I was going to say? It wasn't fake. It wasn't fake bro, but I'll give you my favorite animal. Yeah, I was gonna say Fullmetal the reason why I say full metal because I thought something like either like like BlazBlue or something but like Fighters you could even do it either way. There's so many like Alchemist in the world of Full Metal that they have all these powers or whatever you have the seven deadly sins. So you mix it in with a homunculus and stuff like that. And then all the characters are pretty damn unique. You gotta you know, read and everything. So I think all the I think he just worked well and in my eyes, you know, go ahead make my idea you guys can use it. I honestly I've been wanting a Full Metal Alchemist game for a minute shit. I'll take a fake either goes to those are like Oh my laughter Oh My well, I don't care. I'll be broke. Bills water bills, bro. I'll fucking thing. Like yeah walking my hero could benefit from it too. Nah to be honest like My Heroes cool and all but I ain't no fool metal ain't no fate and they tried it already hey and the trailer but that's that wasn't that wasn't Arc system stuff. Yeah, but they tried it they try to trash cold and they tried it and they and they tried my patience. I saw that shit. Nah, I'm good is no myself playing again. No, that's right still. That's right. Nobody's playing now. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. You know, what was no point to do people know that they know about that Arabella John Force. Yeah, pretty cool. I think he we stayed on that damn question long enough know. Well got another one. Okay. Well, what about Demon Slayer? I guess they need a massage. Maybe actually, yeah, it'll be a lot like the one grand blue blazer. Yeah, everybody's gonna sort your that's the what we're gonna get into that. Cut this part out. Okay. I'm cutting down. I've been at I've been wondering what was the anime that you went into thinking it was gonna be probably average or bad we end up becoming like really good or not even really good. But like you enjoyed it way more than you thought you would. hmm I don't know anymore. Yeah, I mean I think Steve would agree with me on this one. This is a little anime out there called ghost stories. And that is she that she was funny as shit. At least like the first time we watched it and like yeah, it says it says Funny moments and stuff, but the reason why I thought that was going to be dookie because I mean the reputation of it the sub was it was so bad that that Doug's just said, you know what to do whatever and that's what I wanted to so, I mean, it's a really old anime. But yeah, I had their whole reputation was it for being so bad at the dog just had a Do whatever they want school to do whatever you want just follow the plot exactly because it whatever you want just followed. That's great. Yeah, but actually recommend that anime for any of y'all just looking for a funny ass and made there's no store. There's like their story but there's like no paintings to it. Just watch it as a bunny anime. You don't know mine is a real easy row on a reasonable had a lot of height, but when I found out about it, it was beginning of a new season. I hear no one talking about it all just clicking through an amiibo. Just trying to search for some Farm Fresh in there, you know to know the rules. Were you looking for an immediate? The cover art looks wack the anime is wack nine times out of ten. Yeah. Nine and a half out of ten and and I ain't gonna lie to you. The reason we'll cover are wondering if when I was like, let me let me see what the hell going on watch the first episode. It was like an hour-long. I was like, okay. Okay. I like where we're going there. If your first episode is an hour long and probably ain't trash it's not really You're still might be fired because that's when we got some quality content that's face. When I was sort of watching. I stopped because that first episodes like an hour-long. I was like well, hey man, I didn't know it was gonna be this shit. So then I'm fine. So I was like, I'll just watch another day. So I'm on my finish. It was interesting, but I don't want it their home. My whole body was in like in the mood for an hour. You know, what I was gonna say. Are you ready for a like well 25 minutes, but yeah to time like whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, you gotta be invested in for an hour. At least for the first like anime that you don't know about. Damn. Where am I even watch you after today? You shall do hold our so yeah, you're right. They got to be confident. Yeah another rule. This also goes by the first episode. I think I may have said this before but if if you have your intro on your first episode, yeah, he said this and they don't rush. Yeah animes probably trash because if you got time to put your intro in and not just give us 25 minutes of clean content. Well, if it starts out with the intro, I know some people do like at the end and yeah, but if it's not you might be dropping it. The fucking thing just starts like 15 minutes in okay. I haven't actually want another one but we all watch you know, I have said I think I sort of said this before going into sheol hero. Oh, yeah, I just saw it. I was like, yeah, I thought it was gonna be bad. I just I was gonna be like another you know, whatever that genres. Just like go with other worlds you can yeah, that was gonna be another one of those then they flip it on your waist and it's like, oh shit first episode an hour-long. Yeah, you hold that the whole hour is just like you setting up like, oh it's gonna be another one of those and then in the Andes I boom now you thought well fuck it. That's another good one. I recommend that one anyone's just it's fun and Adventure will suspend look the first 12 episodes with me. I don't know how I always say like how do people listen to podcast because I could see the numbers. So I think they do go back and there's someone to like front like a show like like ours. I feel like maybe start off with the ones recent then I don't know. I don't know bro saying, I don't know how people listen. I think I spread I think I stole them off. Yeah, No Game No Life. Well, really what you thought it was gonna be bad. Yeah so much to when it first came out it over episode 1 and 2 where you learn see all the tropes of a bad and like Hello, and so she going on here and that ain't for me. My guys look did ends up being fired. So how many ends up becoming better? But not fire. Yeah, we all wanna debate about that because our is a not hold on. I mean, but I don't think this is a warning. I've only seen like two minutes of it, but from that two minutes I could have my God I have I have only watched. You know, I guess I'll finish it anime later. I think that was a question just doing their last second side. You know, I keep you on your feet don't have thanking, you know, almost are doing that shit started doing fucking surprise and questions. But yeah, let's get into the anime review section want to start off with Ben on Saga episode full. This episode was a banger at least for me. Let me bring up the note. So I just gave you know, the points down real quick. Alright, so I forgot some of the some of the guys names but you guys yeah Thor's and Thor's, you know from the last episode see him pull up on the ship and start being people's asses. But in this one they go into a more board, you know, he's i'll I'm loving this anime, bro. It's quickly. Well the ranks but also you said is not the best anime. That's hold on. Hold on. - let's ask that listen. This this mic is really good. I don't want to end up punching right? So now I don't think it's the best did you said it was a bad? It's going you didn't let me finish. Hello. Listen, bro. I like fire for your doctor. So trash. Finding people on the ship and shit like that though some dude. I forgot his name ends up going in like Rampage mode because he's doing to ensure Yarn. Yeah, he's doing shrooms. So yeah, he ends up going to is it like his village? What are the crew I don't know what they call the karakorum person is your mercenary For Hire know like the wars crew like his The Villages he went over there. He jumped on the other ship-like like the whole this man jumping ship. The ship is like crazy. So yeah ends up going out there helping them out because they were about to get ambushed by no. No, it's good. Because once you join a strong going crazy, he was like, oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay and then he to hit this man. Oh, yeah. He once shot everybody else in the crew. They gassed up drawing like he was about to go crazy. This is so nice - you broke somebody's like arm. Yeah. He he broke down man. This is why I was like Viking that little was just showing how fucking get them hands on this and he was he wasn't doing any like he was fighting he was doing that shit like like what is it? Just just Stone Cold face. It like no effort and won't like it. Was it look like he was just like a defending himself. Like he was playing more defensively like he yeah, they will swing at him and he would just counter. Yeah, they swing with the right arm. He'll just step back punched her right arm to the side and they just happen to break upon ocean like every other day for him after all that like you have a saying and to do you wish the other people ships his villager ships because they're about a jump their ass but he ends up there's I mean, there's some stuff happened ends up calling out the leader to fight a 1 b 1 because he sees like, you know, he could take out all the people by himself, but he has his like people save because he knows that he can't save everybody fans of fighting which I thought I was crazy because he heard there. He already said he lost half their man. So just fight me one-on-one and I'm a damn fucking marked as water 81 man. So I was like, all right, he's got fight. I believe it ask a lad. It's coming McCallum lad boy, that's why I put on my notes. Then a fighting and is this was a real crazy fight. Ladlad boy wasn't wasn't no chump. I mean kind of was towards the middle and the end but we must desist oarsman this door right here. I just thought let's just skip all the all the bullshit. Elder detail hands up doors. It was like broke his sword, but it was part of his plan because he wants to get him like you attack a recklessly and he did and he grabbed his sword and turned it on them and then bada-bing bada-boom. He ends up. I forgot what ends up happening. Oh, yeah that happens. He took his sword and he was like, all right, boy get lost. Yeah. This is why shit starts Anna crazy bro this episode really like and I'll give Steve shit for but Dad me right now. It's hidden. It's hitting me right in the chest. It's hitting me in the face. It's just like fucking roundhouse kick. Um, so he ends up getting. Oh no was that be jorn and I jumped on the ship. Yeah, he he won't back up. Yeah, he end up jumping on the ship. Oh, by the way, this one we want their they said like no no jumping in all of L'A forgot. What was like the conditions was it was a condition? So if you beat me, you know, you know I'm saying nobody else on the ship strong enough to fight you so you're pretty you're pretty much one you could do whatever you want with us, but if I win y'all gotta get out gotta get out of here. You can't you can't like fight for like take your revenge on them, whatever values so Be showing mo'fucker jumped on the ship. Grab the Sun or spin out on my shit. Was that the right now the orphan orphan? I think the boy bands are giving him hostage. I know I skipped a little bit Parts, but he wants storage to surrender but He was saying the this is a part. I gotta remember this because stores actually one because these join jump on the ship. So that was on like they're like agreement as a warrior. So he was saying like something along the lines of you know, since I won you got to keep your word and shit and lad boy was I had I whatever I feel what happened hands up throwing the sword. In the fucking see the Little River Band. I think we surrender I don't understand why you see what happened was. Yeah, even a lot of details. So basically when Thor's want to fight he disarmed as Kuwait and he took his weapon and that's right. Pretty much was holding it at his neck right and then asked him I was like, all right, then kill me like you want to kill me then those laying on our we gotta do this bro. I ain't gotta shit. No blood. I got a kid right here and that's getting that support on purpose. No not but that's the important thing though. That's when John jumped on this ship he woke up. He was like yo, what's all this 1v1 bullshit nigga. We Pirates he jumped on the ship and took his son hostage. And now that the playing field is even though and that's and that's when like doors is going through her head. He's like yo, so what actually do y'all want me dead, right? And then he was like, oh, yeah, that's my wife. That was a most important part because that's not my shit. I was like no, it's not gonna do you think they're gonna do and that's when he threw a sword in the sea was like, yeah. So let me let me let me show you a warrior doesn't need a sword. Oh my God little girls who don't fuck don't fucking lie to me. Oh my God. So let me just get the part of me. So The Archers ends up lad boy tells his Archie. You think you know I did like that's that's when they came up with a new agreement doors was like y'all. So y'all just want me y'all can have me y'all just got to let everybody go. It didn't escalate I was like, I guess he I guess he is real I guess he's a real nigga. I guess not let him have this one and the boss just wanted him dead. So, you know, I gotta kill everybody. Yeah, and that's when he was like archers anything. Oh and they shot. I was like wait what's happening even even like when they shot was like wait what's happening? I'm like a little kid like watching a movie like wait. Nah. And yeah, you see all the arrows hit em, boom boom boom. And then you know, it was like the most sad part. He just standing there like a fucking Warrior bro, and I really must be the most badass doves bro, when they just standard not even like don't even Flinch. You know, what they did a really good job on this episode even after the fact he got hit they don't show him like going down. They don't show him like Dad did but like we know he's dead obviously. Um, and I just thought that was a cool way to show like, he's a motherfucking Warrior and I gonna see that motherfucking week son pep. Talk before you delete them. Jones Viking who have come out that shit, so they know because he faked his death before so it's like yeah, that's proof. I'm going after the Volusia and now thorsday did with orphans pissed as shit, like I feel for the kid down like that sucks. He was I'm supposed to be there to see that goddamn. So he was actually She hiding on the ship that asked the lad took because I think that was another part of the agreement that they just take their ship. It wasn't that it was not and could indoors was so strong. It was growing one side of the ship by herself. So when that whole ship Go back at 5 on one side. And Taurus was on the other side. That's true. Yeah, how did not eat other people are like where else did not lie probably all own belief. But yeah anyways, so yeah, they see him like crying and shit. He's telling ice Collide and his boys, I you know, imma kill you bro, and he crying and like they see his hatred in his eyes that hole shot right there. Freaking dope just like the animation everything seeing them get angry. Oh my God. Damn that was I was like I was like, I don't know what that reminded me of the kind of reminded me of a couple things in attack on time when Aaron gets pissed on as first God and and then in season 3 they showed when what's his name? Gary's dead Russia versus first thought in his flashback. Oh, yeah, it has in his arms and on their eyes and they're just like fucking kill you. I swear to God. Yo, that's something like I felt that shit. I felt I felt that from dorsen like that. When I said this she was hitting me. I was like God now what's going on? Like I was about to cry and shit. Am I fool? And another thing that I know I'm just gonna love about this enemy. Is that a thorfinn doesn't know or he can't understand right now. Why is it that Drew his sword and just didn't kill them. What is the mindset of like this time period is like yo. We niggas won't smoke. We kill ya, I think and then like doors is just like yo, you just trying to understand like, you know, why didn't he my dad won? Why didn't he kill this man? Why did he end up done? And I'm just and anyone that ancient didn't understand like yo, what's going on? Like? Yeah, they're making it varies over here fundamentally evaluate and he's breaking down and he's like, oh, this is crazy. This was going to be great. Yeah, it's going to be great. Yep. It's like already feeling like this. It's very out of these. What what does this episode for? This is up. So for its four episodes, but like the characters feel flushed out as like, you know, their their motives that you know, their motorcycles old ideals. Yeah, like it hit you very hard. I was like, yeah, I'm ready bro. Like there's not a mean obviously you had people who you hate. Anime right now because of what they did but like you understand, you know, unless the being like annoying character shit. We haven't got there yet. We're not going with um, yeah pretty good episode. That's pretty much it. We see him there at the ship is vowing to kill that motherfucker. So you would say we'll see what happens. We actually an episode behind but we do that we do that purposely. Does on Arch doing things like doing two episodes? Yeah JoJo, would you think think about this episode 9 it will cool. I just saw like both episodes today, so I don't have the fresh on my mind. Recommend four episodes in it. Actually these four episodes all of them been good in like nothing like real negative to say honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Good job. Maybe the water a little bit. Like I said, they didn't use his very good. I can't tell ya there's a man Saga episode for the move on fire Force episode full. Don't know what happened. I bring up the notes with me. Well, what happened was? Oh, yeah, we can introduce to kill Squad five which is which is Yes, quantifiable Squad 5. We get introduced to the them and their leader, which is it says son na P. I think our princess. Yeah. Well this princess lady. She's our how do you describe it? I feel like it's a turn for she's real the trauma Matrix. Yeah dominatrix. Yeah, that's what yeah. You a list of bills very she has like a throne of men. Yes. It's on and she steps on men like they're the carpet in this cheap. Honestly, it is like Meg the stallion. Yeah. Yes. It's like she ruled she runs shit the way she wants. No, he has a man out there looking crazy. And yeah, like some to say I'm glad I didn't get to good. Yeah, it wasn't really too worried. I'm gonna give his word Parts but it's like right because I the funny part is I was watching this episode with my dad in the room and but yeah, we'll get to that little part. But I mean I can say now there was like the part where like they show her like feet or whatever like they had like a it wasn't like an upskirt shots, which is like picking looking at at our legs whatever and the character got like all embarrassed. It was nothing. It was nothing crazy. What's crazy? But yeah, they introduced. Her but why they told this episode was weird because they they told it actually like where they introduced the they already know about the infernal. Yeah. Thanks, and they show Shinra flying and then they went back and then showed house generally and then found out about them from yeah. Let me let me just go through the notes and make it a little bit easier. I'm like, I'm going to be skipping a lot just so we get the main shit. So in the beginning, yeah, I know but like I said I'm skipping. So the firefight there was a firefighter that murdered people and so we see them in the court but he got declared innocent from the judge from right there shit gets crazy because he would just getting like what is it like he's like, oh bleep. He's thinking to himself like I don't know how I got away with this shit like that system status of breathe. Right? I've got what happened, but he changed to an infernal inside the courtroom and people started getting going crazy. What the fuck's going on. And from there on he I forgot how people should like ran away like right then and they pointed out of there. Yeah, like because I looked away for a second. Did they? Were gone. I don't know if he killed them all that's that's the thing about this enemy is like like the transitions are like Wicked shit, but you be looking away vo so yeah, they end up leaving the courtroom. So the fire, you know, this is where fire for Squad comes through. So everyone's responding to the call Shinra and Arthur are actually in the city where I believe they're not supposed to be there that he said something like you're not supposed to wander in. Down or something like that, but out, you know, whatever. What's the name Maki gave them a little a little job to do like a little wall light up or whatever and it just so happened to be in the city and she didn't tell him she and tell the lieutenant that oh, that's why she's been no need to catch up. So, you know Shin does Helo fly shit with Arthur. Yeah the boys. Yeah. So one thing about this Inferno that they found weird, which was a pretty impressive shoe is going to be important down the road as it seemed like that's why And one one of this infernal it was self-aware which meaning like, you know, it's still he's able to control his infernal but being or whatever that that was interesting. Yeah, he was talking all that shit. Yeah. It was the first one we ever saw that top. Yeah, and so they put when they Shinra Arthur and their company eight pull up on them. They were just trying to I guess trying to kill him. As they do not treating them as self-aware in front of the just train them as an infernal. So this is kind of weird to dude because he's trying to was it surrender or whatever and he's just like, oh, well, you're all killers. So I'ma kill humans then, you know y'all trying to kill infernals like that and so he runs away. Um, but but before they chase them the squad, I believe the leader after who tells them but pretty much everyone tells him like yo go General go chase them down since you're you know, the fastest man alive, but I make sure to tell him don't believe what he says, which I don't think he said anything crazy. Yeah, so maybe that was just something I missed they told him not to think about it too much because he was like He was having trouble dealing with like, you know, he's still self-aware. He still damn mental. What does is different when you just dealing with like a guy that's like like the last guy he was just sitting there. Like he wasn't doing nothing. He was just sitting there waiting to be killed. Yeah, and the first one they fought like she was just going crazy and all that and need to be needed to be put down. He still needs this. This is yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's my ends up happening and he catches up Tim chinder catches up to him. But we also see from this slide. Point on we get like little not flashback looking a cut to cut the company fives Captain princess and they want to keep them capture that Inferno alive. So at this point on Jenna and they're fertile, they're kind of like fighting know whatever he's about to capture him and just skip the whole fighting part princess ends up stepping in in a fucking crazy ass way I was like I don't know if that was part of like the edit or she's like someone down time. That's what it look like. I'm pretty sure it's part of it. Oh, yeah, she steps in and she fucking not mobster in her but like it spins his ass down like he ain't shit with it with her like Charlie's Angels company home rule what she did right now because like At first she gave him like a Sharingan glance and then nigga just got dizzy and He fell to the ground the fuck. Did she called her goes to pin him down? Yeah. Yeah. She's like, yeah, that's why I was confused because she did that and then I thought about like wait did she do that stop-motion thing when she landed the I don't know. I don't know what that was. That's a new ability to know she has she has some fire at all. I mean, that's fine because like she has like the Jedi Horse, I bet she's gonna be something like you're so pretty or something. She gets like men looking up and down. She looks at him but yeah, he's pinned down but they almost shitting around most starts a fight with the company because he was he was there there were telling them like we want this man this Runner alive and shit. It made a joke about like when I gonna kill him Just yet and like he was getting pissed off. Oh, yeah, and then one person in a company pushed a little kid now. Yeah, and then I made a little joke about that. He was like, all right, I had enough but you know, they they don't fight Company the company eight comes through 25 they talk about what's going to happen to the frontal and why is company V in companies? 8th District by the way, company eight is generous group. There's little Squad so Francis and what was the Catskill companies date Ginger's group leader. Are you asking what's his name is like that so they are kitaru and Princess chat it up. And with the fuck you doing in my district bitch out of smoke your ass, you know, and basically they're trying to talk about The Inferno who's gonna get their infernal how many fives going to take The Inferno but they're going to report their studies to company eight cents. They have science and shit like that. They're going to be studying their infernal. So honestly, I think everyone knows they're not gonna not gonna report. You can tell them what she said. I sure will she will sing you the file. So this is even even today for a look like even that little moment like that ending that we had. I think that's the end of a much it right. Nothing really happened. It was a lie. Little thing that they showed like when the princess girl looked at the none lady, that's one squatted like they glanced at each other. I guess they know each other or something. Yeah, they and they also showed she's some skipped over it relax. They also sold. Like earlier during the episode at the none lady was at the church and she was looking at a burnt photo. So I'm guessing some bad stories are coming coming up the soda just like the little the little story like hints or were getting like even though when they were talking and the way she acted like oh conspiracy and remind me like Then what I'm trying to say, I'm a I'm tired of saying what anime event is the same. Enemy. I'm not okay. Okay reminds me a little bit of Full Metal just go, you know organization plot twist and shit in the background. Obviously the companies are not what they say. They are just a little little bit of sugar a little bit of Summer man. Obviously we see like We're to the firefighter murdered people so we don't see but we obviously like that's who he was and it just goes to show you bro, like anything can happen bro. This episode is really good. Um, it was good once a really good ghost. I think not a lot happened but like ants to what's happening is cool fluff to get me interested. To okay in The Inferno fight, whatever. Yeah, then they put so much budget in this episode, but they're introducing a lot of questions like yeah, let's introducing and shit. I'll judge. Oh you fucking hate this show. No, it's blame each organization and they politicking it up like politics. I'm feeling like they said what organization or Squad five what organization they were under? I can't remember like it was the the the evil one. Ya know. It was evil. Well, I think it's everyone's under the evil one because they were saying Well, I don't know. I may have to go back as obviously we know company was a question company a tour company five company 500 500. Yeah, it looked like there would be more of like what you were saying. They won't be cut. Oh actually, yeah, cuz she actually mentions the evil company. I forgot the name, but I think we all know she actually mentioned the company and she says, oh I'll get back to them. I think it was like towards when they were trying to capture the infernal true. Yeah, so she has contact with the higher-ups. It seems like told you know, yeah, and actually I believe that the only reason to want to captured then for no live is because she got the orders to so maybe there's something there but you know, that's just a little Theory because I didn't pay attention that much. Yeah, one little nitpicky things that I came across like right when Shinra was about to square up with the squad 5 and then Squad eight pulled up into the truck. Yeah like that whole jumped that old cut right through it was just so quick. I got to start it laughing. I was like yo what the hell just happened? Yeah. That's why I like it was raining and then it just stopped and it cut to something else and then the cuts all of them talking. You know, what's not fun, but that's why when I was saying like when I was like going over it, I felt like I skipped but I really didn't skip it just means they skit. Yeah the pace of the show is like super fast good episode. It was still good news. This is good. What do y'all want to do with moving on to the next thing you're going to do duck stone or Demon Slayer? We can do dr. Storm first. He'll need he's nothing really happens. This episode be honest. I'm surprised my say this now I'm surprised we didn't see the other people that got teased on the last episode like yeah, look at me kind of mad. All right, whatever. I guess we're going to see the next episode of flea do once you're like a little But you're the flashback timing is so weird in this show right baby the episode before they write before. My before sin cool was about to make a decision to the signal to smoke. You know what I'm saying? Yeah did a whole like 10 minutes flashback of his childhood. And then this episode like you know major plot major plot points going on. Let's go back to Shimmers childhood. Yeah, not really go to let's go to the Shinra got first. Got out the stone. Yeah. I mean it could have been episode one now asleep. Unless she matter bro. None of it. None of it. None of it. None of it it had would you think about the flash dragons Jojo? I feel like they could have been better ways of doing that. Like I don't know if that's the enemy. Clip the first part. Yeah send KU is a he's dead. It's actually legit kill the motherfucker that guy tanju is the dudes a man on his friend. His neck is broken. I mean It might be I might drop a show. It doesn't matter. Why do I need them? Fuck knows? I didn't I can't read Japanese, right? So he ends up throwing the ball in the air and he was looking at it like like he's probably going to rush me. It was a decoy, but it was a decal but not for him. It was for the girl whose area is area runs and throws the gun powder on his ass and honestly right there. That was a goal to Troopers because she could have she said yeah see ya she throws it on and I thought it was found it funny that the boulder hit him because that shit did not look like it was going to hit him or is he doing here Sands up the gunpowder didn't it? Whatever. Yeah, the gunpowder in the gunpowder sparked in the bone and it and that motherfucker. That's my shit. But yeah like Jojo seriously fucking yeah, but obviously he doesn't chase them because he did his job because the job of killing them and so they get to a spot and they find what was it like a stone piece on Neck, no you protect I guess to protect them or something. I forgot what he wanted him to go. Yeah, so so during all their exchanges he would always like cracking neck which was like, I guess it's sign like his weak spot quote unquote. Yeah, so I thought he was just trying to give tired you and her yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is. How would he know somebody could pull up them and they do like this is hold his whole care. Does he accounts for everything? I guess I guess I'll give him a book that she know he talked about billions and trillions like all right, I'm tired. Pulling Miracle Juice on his neck to revive a back and this is where we see the flashbacks. Um, yeah, we see a wolf nothing in this goddamn flashback. This is literally the first episode but said Coos sighs it just show us how we survived. Yeah, there are summarized in green. We see him laying down and his eyes are open, but we don't see him like moving on things while he still might be dead. There I doubt it. But obviously this is episode was a feeling that a I get to skip this episode. The first thing I thought was good. And then they they tone and unnecessary flashback. Yeah. I could be better just like why would you think JoJo is this? It didn't want that in the morning. It was like that. Remember when I said I know when I said this show was I mean, I like it. I'm trying to give it a chance what get all the temperature was really weirdly. I would say out of all the news they don't like all the new stuff is down Bros is like thing. That's our came through out of nowhere and she's like, yeah. Yo taking no shit. Now. I'm debating like what's the best anime this season? Mom it felt like um I'll get up a soda of a long-running enemy like a one-piece Naruto bleach wondering they're just in a long court date. They do a little a little action and don't cry. So this episode The Five Burgers like super random I'd say it didn't it didn't really have anything to do with uh, what just happened? Yeah. Yeah - could have been episode 1 like I was saying man, like maybe if you want to like give a huge reach it might be, you know, since he's about to wake up you like having this like life flash before his eyes or some shit whatever but like that's that's reaching like super high. All right, look this episode. You know, I think we said no a little a little a little a little bit more famously episode 18 spider pops. Boom boom bang. We see Mister. What's his name? Notes, do you can you you you you gu Jae Hee go get and his partner or about a pull-up. We see him finally the master. Mr. Sauce man. Just fucking looking cool and shit, even when he's pulling up just like yo, it's just like another day for me bro. They they see why they don't see they're pulling up because aren't there on the way and time. Gyro, they see some this is a bunch of dead bodies. Oh, yeah, but I mean they don't see a conjurer yet. There's still like they're going that way so Tom's Euro are fighting the Spider-Man bad hundred space spider - Spider Taj row and aboard dude fucking I don't know how Take this happened, but I forgot times Euro has his backpack on like I thought he left that out. Lieutenant smart doesn't need no he carrying as a color. That's why odds and that's you like ran ink because he's like wait. Oh, yeah. Yeah the whole girl on his back. Wait, wait. Wait. Oh, yeah. Okay. So yeah the cutting through that your I mean the trying to cut through the skin of the spider dad. Add but it happened. It's not exactly so they drop a tree on this motherfucker and And it just kept yelling out don't die on me. then we see the flash nearly dead from the spider poison that guy injected and Oh wait. We didn't get the name of guineas partner, huh? The girl I don't remember it. So she pulls up on zetsu and something like she awake. She wakes him up. It looks like I don't think we see him after that. Kanjar Ro looks like he's they pretty much said in like she's gonna save him for ya privilege look like, you know, Andrew Oh, yeah that Andros. I know Stephens gonna hate this point. How does Euro sees the spider demon the boy hurting his sister and he says hey yo, what you doing over there? Stop? That's your sister. That's your blood if I was just gonna what are you doing? And this whole part it's funny because as I mean like the most funniest part is when he's telling them this fucking cocky. Rookie, Demon Slayer boy walks out his all right. It's about time. It's my time to shine I could take and he steps in and before times Road could tell him like yo, chill out he gets cut up into tiny little pieces as he dumb and I did feel sorry for him one bit. Oh my God God, where did this kid come from? He looked like I don't he look like he's about to become like don't you know like it tell by the face of a characters like, oh he might be that important but he might have rowing team. That's what he would look like. He's like, oh we might see him down the line, but I wasn't. Oh he did. Oh no. Oh my God. I don't know what's under the blanket and he now no extra generic. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Chad survive the Spider-Man a spider dead. Pop you demon. Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention. The spider. Dad is one of the twelve demon move people. I like the field to when they didn't fail to show it but you know, we see right here when he tries to run away from him, but in the middle of doing that he thinks that some pussy ass shit is like a your weight. I gotta know who I am. I got two swords bro. Like I am about running away about pulling up three actually tears trying to think of a way to fight. It in the soil the other sword, so you cannot like it took some time, but he did it. Oh so handsome like celebrating some just for that stupid shit. But uh, yeah that's part of dead ends up running away and it just it ran away because he involved into Super Saiyan demon dad and this is where it starts getting real cuz now he's he thinks But I you know, it's okay. So yeah, I mean it doesn't want to fight back but you know he has to and when he does his sword stamps, oh my God in this case should have been He knows he grabbed him by his head and just start squeezing right now, and he was squeezing for a claimant. Yeah. I thought that was a good crazy. Oh shit because I thought I thought the the polisher cannot a bit unique but it's kind of cool to see again. You have the same power as a kind of thing. It's taught. All right. Yeah. Oh, yeah because it was the same as and let's choose to call. It was lightning he was teaching him. - yeah Jet by the lightning Yeah, I'm super fund. All right, so then and give ninjas cut off his arm by the way he cut off his arm isn't head and torso. Oh he did I go like a z or whatever he went through his whole body and I can see that I just always cut off. What did he kill him? I don't know him. So he might be dead. He might have some super demon stuff. He he look like he killing because I'm off really like it was good. I was cool though. I'm telling you bro. I was wondering what it was and came through but the last seen times Euro you see him still fighting the Demon brother the kid and basically when they were fighting he tried to slice I guess slice of a web that idiot, I believe and it breaks down so I pull up on this man. Breaks his sword. Not only that he's about to run into it. They looks like it looks like it's about a killed built on Drew and that and it's a boom to be continued. Let's calm man. So there's a whole bunch of what is it twists and turns I guess they try to do with this episode a lot of smoke. I enjoyed this this one quite a bit not very storage room, but, you know whole lot of action one of the coolest ones like I could listed more tense ones I would say but I thought I mean except for the Rook The Rook he's dead get out. Good. What the hell is Mary Nesbitt go and box. Yeah, come on, bro. What you doing? Oh, I got a theory what girl it might be. I feel like I'm feeling pretty positive on this Theory to I feel like that the kid might be the demon demon Moon. The one that Tantra is about to fight you saying like the dads out it. Yeah because give kind of smoke that man up don't think he's coming back after that. It's a bait and switch and all you know what and your theory might be possible because of how the dad wanted to protect his family, you know. All right, I feel like one. Certainly is a the the wife or the mother of them. He cared about the daughter the same. Yeah, we want to see I think I think you're right. I think you might be right because even even when he broke his sword like we see how powerfully that shit is. You looking a little opee? Yo, what the fuck is you know, what is why he wasn't the way he was in truth and introduced he'll understanding on the whales like a badass along. He hasn't done shit yet. Yeah what my beautiful one here. I think you're right, bro. The sword already in half. I mean he can already had help the rookie came through really do you on his part in like just walking with said dang everybody's dead and then this guy comes out of nowhere and just to thank you think they gonna team up right now since like Contra doesn't have a sword so that I bet you that chicks. I don't want to see this whole hell. Yeah. The job when he was talking to the girls. Like how do you smell these things run? You can bring it up. So JoJo, would you think? Look cool. There's a lot pull up. So, you know, it was like most of you are action. Yeah, it's one of the better be sending all girl pointed one thing that you like are you doing? What you doing? Okay down there buddy. Yeah. You know, you gotta make her come when they got it at like an extra wall jacket onto something. They just got the uniform all like buddy that got mopped up. They got a wall. I got a long road trip or something. Yeah, good episode. I think that's pretty much it. Yeah, nothing else to say for the episode of this podcast here. And if y'all got anything to say before we close it up and then close it out right now. No, no for real man. Oh JoJo now, I'm not you Jo-Jo, but I'm still watching children as well. I said I was gonna be doing that before part 2. I'm on that Joseph joestar. I like them. It's cleaner like it so far. And you know you jumping it. I wouldn't say Steve's party like one. I'm like the biggest anime fandom it one piece now Jojo. I like one of the most annoying fandoms. Well, I'm just saying I don't watch my Clover. Oh, yeah, fuck this shit can't do that. We tried we tried I'm sorry fellows. I'll give it a good to trauma. Wait. Wait. Sorry me. Sorry after after after the one trying maybe we're sorry, but after you know the three four, it's on you not on me. I've done my fair share of trying. Yeah, I'ma finish said maybe this week on my kid goes finished that these last two episodes consumer. Yeah, joji going to be no safe for closes, uh out from Fire Emblem so you can watch anime. No, yeah. I'm gas. I'm gonna sit there. All right all this has been episode 17 stay tuned next week for episode 18. They tune the week after that 4 episode 19, and after that we're canceling the copper Summit. I appreciate y'all listening.

The Otaku Summit boys talk about some anime news that include Dragon Ball FighterZ Janemba reveal trailer and talk a little bit about EVO 2019. Steve, JoJo and Chaos get into some Otaku questions that are "What anime would you like to see get an Arc Systems fighting game?" They throw out some suggestions that they would love to see. We also want to know, "What anime did you go into thinking it wasn't going to be that good but you were wrong? ", We give our picks for some surprising good anime that caught us off guard. Otaku Summit start off their anime reviews with Vinland Saga episode 4 (@25:34), This episode hit us in the chest and makes us question if this is the best anime out right now. They get into talking about Fire Force episode 4 (@42:00), They talk about how the story is keeping their attention and more characters are looking a shady. Then the crew talks about the lack luster 5th episode that Dr Stone had (@58:00) because of its flash back that had no reason being there. Lastly they talk about the episode 18 of Demon Slayer (@01:08:00), It was a really good episode for action and a character finally shows up to show off his sauce. Hope you guys enjoy this episode of Otaku Summit and Thank you for your support!!

practice to take pleasure from everyday life each and every moment from sources that you thought was impossible to take pleasure from So I am so excited today because I'm chatting with my friend Lynne Holmquist, and she is an international tantric therapist and facilitator and not only that but she produces the Swedish Tantra festival and angst Becca, which is one of the biggest perhaps the biggest Tantra Festival in the world. Hi Lynn. Hello cheffy. And today my my burning passion to chat with you is all it's been planted sense. Beautiful event that you run and it's about pleasure and how pleasure can be a path to the Divine. Mmm. I love that topic. Yeah, just to begin. How did you know? How is your own relationship with pleasure bean? And how did you sort of discover that pleasure could actually be a spiritual awakening? Oh, yeah my relationship to pleasure. I I think it started already when I was in the womb like enough for most people because pleasure is like our Birthright and it's our path from The Unborn until the to the born. We are constantly searching for the maximum pleasure when we are resting in the womb and where we're getting really getting born. So in a way, I think my relationship to pleasure started already there and then When I grew up also very Mindful and physical child. I like to touch things and I like to feel things and I like to discover pleasure in in so many different levels. However, like it is for most people I was shamed when I did so and I was taught that pleasure is something that I have to deserve pleasure is something that comes in a certain format. It's only certain thing. Things that can bring pleasure and those things they need to be discerned and they should be like a reward for something else. Yeah, right. That's a really big one, huh? Yeah, and then there was also this guilt about pleasure like guilty pleasures. Like I loved to indulge in pleasure and some of those Pleasures were guilty pleasure. So I've been struggling a lot with with clearing my Ship to pleasure from from the conditions from my childhood. Yeah. I totally headed. I think that's common for so many people. So, how was your first you remember your first experience when somebody or some event or or a person showed you that pleasure could actually be you know, not only not shameful but virtual or open you up in some way. Mmm, it's also definitely when my Kundalini awakened this this experience. It was the most intense pleasure that I felt ever in my life until then and it happens spontaneously on the bike driving down the hill and it was something that I've never heard about never seen never experienced and something that was so out of the box and I'm like, oh my God, this feels so good and if Like it's my it's my natural self. This is like truth. So this is this coming from so deep inside of me with so much power and I couldn't even question it. Like I was so surprised but my mind couldn't even question it. I just accepted this as as a part of of my true self and I was so amazed by this experience and this experience kept on coming back to me again and again becoming more and more. Tense during the time of my Awakening on this energy. So I definitely remember this very clearly. So for listeners that sort of like wondering what candle any Awakening is lot of people have heard of it. Not sure. Can you explain a little what that means and how how it happened for you? Mmm. So you can look at the Kundalini Awakening in many different ways like first you can look at it on the Traditional spiritual point of view where the masculine and The Feminine inside of you are coming in Harmony and in balance and are spiraling up the spine in a way that awakens your Consciousness and makes you come to a place of self-realization and the self-realization is always pleasurable. It feels like you are plugging into God you're plugging into the source plugging into existence and this experience is Such a pleasurable the ultimate pleasurable experience. I think Hmm. But what happens on a physical level is something that is quite simple is that the connective tissue the fascia in our body? For some reason releases? We have so many tensions in our bodies in our first year due to shame and guilt and blame and pushing ourselves in trying to adapt to people or old trauma. Our mind Fox it makes the body and fasciae the connective tissue really tense. Mmm, and we are not even aware of it. It's more or less like our personality our tensions defines our personality my reactions my behavior the way my mind works the way my nervous system works. So in a way, it's like it's my identity. Mmm. So what happens when when when we have a Kundalini? Awakening it's simply that the connective tissue start to vibrate start to remove these tensions on some people. It's a slow process of many years on some people. It's happening really fast through meditation through Tundra. Some people have it happen really fast through drug abuse, but it creates a deep sensation of orgasm in the body deep pleasurable relaxation. And really powerful opening in the brain because the brain doesn't recognize the landscape of your body anymore because you lost a lot of your personality a lot of your tensions that are stored in the body. So it has a great impact on the hormones a great impact on the nerves on the brain. So basically I'm seeing about a physical Awakening like a physical embodying and light moments or Awakening rather than just something through. Through the mind or through meditation. Yeah. Yeah, you know, everything is connected. Like I can't be my Consciousness can't expand further than my limitations and if I have limitations in my body my mind can expand to a certain level if I have the tensions in my energy and my body and my mind can expand into a certain degree. But if all my layers all my all the parts of my Systems expands there is the true expensive expansion of consciousness. So I believe this is something that happens on many levels because it's all connected. Like when we have a Kundalini Awakening expansion happens in the physical field in the energy field in the mind in the greater understanding and yeah, so if we obviously this is very inspiring for people to hear because it's like wow there's this ultimate like a full-body orgasmic feeling Or my personality for where it's all rich sounds wonderful. But what what about people who aren't there yet who making struggling with guilt and shame around pleasure. But that feel you know, like they want to shift that guilt and start, you know, and find a pleasurable path to the Divine or to Awakening. Would you suggest for people who are at that stage in their Journey when they go I see a lot of this when I meet people this urge this longing and the shame also that you're not there that you're not allowing yourself to embrace pleasure. And the first step is just to let go of any struggle and is search any need to experience anything else than what's happening right here right now and to let go of all Shame about being who you are. This may be easily said, yeah. Through through practice of pleasure in the systematic way it will happen and it's a pleasurable Journey. So it's not that you're in need to sacrifice anything. It's simply to practice to take pleasure from everyday life each and every moment from sources that you thought was impossible to take pleasure from so and I used to such as the breath for example, like it's always that Noise, how do you want to breathe? You want to breathe out unconscious you want to breathe conscious. Do you want to breathe as a everyday regular experience or take the opportunity to caress yourself on the inside of the body to allow these breath to be like most intimate touch in the nose in the throat in the lungs and allowing the pleasure from this intimate touch to expand in your body as far as Is it can you know, it's really simple or just to touch things touch yourself touch objects. Hmm and and see how much pleasure can I allow In This Moment from this simple exercise of catching something cutting a leaves Stone a spoon your own skin. And the thing is that the capacity of pleasure in our beings. So tremendous like I remember that I thought I knew what pleasure is. Yeah what it is but time passed and it's just increasing increasing increasing until I'm fucking constantly vibrating of it. And I know this is not the end. I know this is just a preview of what is possible. I love it. So young people basically just Begin by looking around in the world around them and it basically wrapped in a different way start picking. Up things that they might otherwise walk past and just pausing and exploring the Curiosity how they can find pleasure in those sniffles things exactly. I love that already. I think it's an amazing shift just want to backtrack because you mentioned I'm making little notes Here you mention that we need to release shame that releasing shame is a big thing and I somewhere was recently listening to I can't remember who someone talk about shame and they said shame needs to be healed in the presence of others because shame created by others opinions or judgments. And so then it's not so easy to release it alone because we kind of need to be witnessed by people. Wondered if you could speak a little bit about what would it look like? How would somebody really shame for example around their sexual pleasure or body? Hmm? Yeah, I really I really love this. However, I think it is possible to release Shame by yourself, but it's really powerful to do it in the presence of someone else. Hmm and what I love the most is to create pleasuring myself and the more pleasure. I'm able to create a more powerful the the experience and the imprints will become of course like touching myself or masturbating or breathing and creating pleasure in my body. In the being observed by someone else and the most powerful thing. It is during the deepest pleasure to have an eye contact with someone. Hmm, and I'm not trying to hide not trying to perform because also pleasure for some people it's a way to perform. Yeah. It's a way to show how good I am or how good you are and to give you some credits like look how much pleasure you created for me. Mmm buttery. Move all of this and to be just observed and to be seeing in the depth of my pleasure. It is an entrance to God. Yeah. Yeah. Mmm, so I remember just remember I remember the first time this happened to me. Yeah, like I was observed by a man. He asked me to undress in front of him, and I don't know what brought me pleasure in this moment if it was the fact that I'm It's a bit of a like people to see me or I like to people to be present with me, but I felt a lot of pleasure in being nude in front of me and the fact that he didn't do anything. He didn't want to take my pleasure. He didn't want to use my pleasure. He didn't want to give me pleasure. He just observed me being there naked and feeling all of this and what I observed in him when he watched me is I saw that he saw God in Me and through his observation through him seeing God in Me it became clearer it became clear that I am God. And when I realized this when I embodied this God was looking out of my eyes. God was feeling through my skin. God was beating in my heart. God was breathing in my lungs and this Divine pleasure being Divine just filled me up and erased everything that is human about me. Hmm, and I could See God everywhere. I could see it at him. I could see it in the share. I could see it in the sunlight. I could see it in the curtains. I could see him in the dancing dust in the in the in the air like it's only present ha ha ha ha actually, you know, it's very what you just shared is very similar to what I was not similar but reflection of what I was going to say is to heal our shame something I've noticed is it's important to be able to reveal that that we have been ashamed of in front. If something is able to witness it themselves because if you reveal yourself in front of someone else who still carry shame and judgment you can end up putting another layer of Shame back on and in a way, I think that's what we do with Pantera workshops and events is create that space where we can see the Divine in each other and instead of the judgments. Yeah, and obviously you were lucky to just receive that with a weatherman. Hmm. So what I think he describes this quite well when you were talking about Kundalini, there's something about pleasure that leads us home to our true self. Do you think if someone isn't necessarily having a continue Awakening if they start to do practices of pleasure as you're describing you think that will still help them? You find their true self and how would that happen? Definitely definitely, you know pleasure is our Birthright pleasure is guidance towards our truth. Yeah, of course, we need to distinguish between short-term pleasure and long-term pleasure like eating a bag of candy doesn't necessarily bring me to my true self is pending on how it's done of yeah. Yes, if I indulge in the sweetness of the chocolate and I allow myself to open to be filled and to be a really good used into my true self by the shock of yes, but many people use a short-term pleasure to escape the pain. Mmm. So life is life. It contains everything it contains pain it can Tens pleasure it contains love it contains sphere it contains everything and we are are our Consciousness is capable of embracing it all and that's the unconditional love and I believe that this is our true self. This is the source the essence of our being it is unconditional love and pleasure can bring us to this the experiences of unconditional love because pleasure is a guide words that so towards my truth and walking on this path. I have many different choices. What should I choose? Should I choose something that will give me validation in the eyes of someone else or should I choose something that gives me true pleasure. Should I choose something that I think will be good for me in the future or should I choose something that I think is going to give me true pleasure. We always have a choice and if we Dare to choose what gives us true pleasure. We are going to walk the path of Our Truth. Hmm and everything that we see and feel experience. It's going to be our truth and you know something that you mentioned there are just want to go into it a little deeper you mention how it's not about the objects of our plant that we might be using for our pleasure. It's not about box of chocolates, but it's about the attitude or the Consciousness which we bring to to that interaction actually because it's like a religion when you and the chocolate. I think this is really important because what we see is a lot of kind of unconscious pleasure-seeking or had an ism where it looks like people are getting their pleasure, but they don't really taste it at all because it's so much guilt that they just kind of shovel a whole box of chocolates down and don't taste one. Whereas tantric way would be more totally tasting smelling murdering becoming it so deep. It's a completely different way of it's like a conscious head and isn't just pleasure. I hate exactly. So this seems to be an important part that makes a shift of that growth that we're looking for is basically it's the Consciousness that we bring in and that's it that completely changes our relationship to pleasure. Yeah. These aren't what you're talking about and also brings. The opportunity to feel pleasure in in the darkness find pleasure in the pain find pleasure in the sadness because there is pleasure there as well and how allowing myself huh. I was just going to say yeah, but you're just going to tell me by allowing myself by allowing myself to to feel a life the way life is that's brings true pleasure. Hmm, you know recently I discovered the pleasure. In sadness and I realized that I have not been sad for many years why because sadness is an unwanted emotion in our culture. However, sadness shows me the path towards what is right if I did something if I walked another road than my true road I will feel sad. I will feel regret hmm and this sadness and this regrets will guide me back to my path mmm, but I have Not been listening to my sadness. I've been shutting it off and made me step away from my path when I realized oh shit. I have so much sadness inside of me and so much regret and I couldn't relax and indulge in this sadness and feel the pleasure of being alive the pleasure of being able to feel sadness and regret and the pleasure of realizing. Oh, I've been stepping away from my truth. And that's why I feel this and feel. this gratitude and this here this deep gratitude for the pain and for the sadness and the pleasure in in this Soviet you're saying if any of our listeners are have an emotion that they think that is wrong and they're trying to push it away whether it's sadness fear that actually they feel it more fully so that they can find that pleasure of being alive and also wisdom that that emotion is kind of guiding them towards Hmm. Yeah, so I think sometimes the guidance that is so helpful in the temporal world is about feeling it in the body right to really let mmm and breathe into it and just really let it be felt as yeah and also seeing what kind of thoughts is coming together with this feeling this emotion me and my friend Maria here. We have been talking a lot about a jealousy today jealousy as one of the less desired. We insist that we have it is possible to feel pleasure in jealousy when we allow ourselves to feel it and we will look at what kind of thoughts are coming here. Like the thoughts of being less worthy. The thoughts of of being less beautiful. Let's less attractive or or the fear of being left or or abandoned and see how these are. These are all thoughts and it has maybe nothing to do with the realities. Like my inner movie that I create because I don't allow this feeling of jealousy to be and when I allow this feeling of jealousy to be it's actually really beautiful. It's really pleasurable could be mmm. So what you're saying is that this path of pleasure is not only about the chocolate and the smell of the flowers, but actually it's about anything that is alive in our field beginning just like sense. It's about kind of Awakening the senses to whatever is alive. Yeah, it's really great to do experiments around this. You know, I'm really into the BDSM and the pain and the blocking of energy to to allow myself to make new reference points. Can I feel pressure even though there is pain can I feel pleasure even though my my energy is completely restricted. Yes. It is possible. It is possible. What do you think this cumulative if you were going to try and Teach someone what you've learned from your experiments. Do you think it could you put it in words how it is when something say physically painful happens. How do we find the pleasure and that is there a practical guidance? You can give mmm it is basically to relax like all pain. All this Comfort is the opportunity to wake up and be present. That's the signal it sends out into the body like hello. Wake up be present and check if this Pain is a result of danger. If the pain is a result of danger. I will become scared and I will take action. I will run away. I will fight for my life or change the situation. However, most of the time when we experience pain and discomfort it's a mindfuck, but it leads to the reaction of fear. So most people are afraid afraid to 95% out of no reason and this fear. Here is poisoning us poisoning our minds. So what we can do is that we can learn how to detect pain like oh shit. I'm feeling pain right now. Someone slapped me in the face. It's painful, but does it kill me? No, is it dangerous? No, did I choose to to experience this? Yes, I choose to experience this How Deeply can I choose to experience this pain? I can fully emerge with this pain. I can allow myself to surrender to this pain and suddenly this. Pain is transformed into pleasure. Wow, that's a great question. You know what it reminds me of one time. I tried on a scorpion twice like that. And the first time I was in total resistance, I mean, I knew it wasn't going to kill me but it's so painful, but the second time it happened I decided to surrender to the pain. I'm not quite sure I could say I relax but I open to it and and my body was moving and shaking and it was almost any actually became kind of orgasmic and pleasurable effects that I noticed. Long as I was completely open to it. I was in this kind of orgasmic pleasure. And if I had even one bit of resistance to what was happening, I went into paying and that it was up to me to navigate the difference not you know, this little was the same but whether I was resisting it being there or opening to it being there was basically the shift between pain and pleasure of such a that is perfect. And it's such a I think this is so important to bring out what you are just saying right now. and it brings me into like the my my passion was I really want to share with people and it's the moment of being born and being and dying because this is I think the the what am I most fear in women it's to give birth and the most fear in human being is to die, but the fact is now I'm never died so I can't speak from experience, but the fact is that I had experienced like With a with a scorpion but it with a giving birth. Like this is an opportunity to feel fear. It is an opportunity to feel pain. However, if I surrender to it the Orgazmo will come and release it and will be so much pleasurable to to give birth. However, the the smallest thought in the smallest doubt would bring me back into pain. It's like walking on the Razor Edge mmm, but both of my deliveries were pain-free were orgasm. I make and I know that this is the potential for most women and I believe that we will change the generations if we start to give birth to our children in pleasure in ecstasy in orgasm. It will fully change the whole world. Ha ha ha I totally and wholeheartedly agree and so to extend from that to the other topic. Do you think that that's also the way we should be dying orgasmic do anything definitely definitely. That I'm exploring right now in my own sexual lives. Yeah, right. Well, I mean it's gonna get to that. I love how the French call the orgasm Le Petit more The Little Death really is a practicing to to surrender isn't it? And you know, certainly some spiritual teachers have talked about dying as orgasm. But yeah, I guess we won't be here to get the podcast on that one. Yeah Linda. Thank you so much for chatting. On this topping. I think this is such a brilliant topic for people to come on Nate and I love you know looking at how pleasure isn't just about seeking the kind of positive things but also being transformed what we would normally resist into pleasure as by the way life. I think that's so empowering and fantastic. So thank you so much. And so you I just want to say a little bit about you because people are probably like wow. I'll put some links aside. So people can find you and I've certainly been enjoying you did like a kind of Storytelling online. I just like see more of that please and I'd love to put some links into that. Are you going to are you planning to produce more of that kind of wonderful thing? Of course? Yeah. I think that's going to be my new my new thing because people really appreciate it. Yeah. So I'm going to start a podcast with bedtime stories. Oh fantastic. I love it. I shall be listening together with my beloved. We've really enjoyed it. Last one. Great. Well, I'm very happy to support that and yeah, thank you so much for sharing. I know you're off your in Portugal and you're off to do a training right now. So I'm so grateful that you've spared the time for the sharing and I'm glad to talk to you. Yeah. Thank you for your Your passion and your inspiration that you share move to. Thank you.

Pleasure is something that is so often seen as an enemy of being spiritual. So many religions will teach us that you have to choose between following your pleasure or following God. Yet Tantra says the opposite. Tantra says: let pleasure take you home. Let pleasure awaken you. Let pleasure bring you back to your true self. In this episode, I chat with Tantric Therapist Lin Holmquist, who is passionate about pleasure as a way to awaken back to our true self, our divine nature. We cover questions such as: * How is it that pleasure can be part of our awakening? * What do we do with the guilt and shame around pleasure? * How can we heal shame? * How can we awaken our capacity for pleasure? * What is the difference between hedonism and Tantra? * Is the path of pleasure about avoiding pain and negative feelings? * How do we find pleasure in the pain? Plus Lin shares about her own kundalini awakening experience, and how this taught her the pleasure of being in her true self. About Lin Lin is a tantric therapist and facilitator, and produces the Swedish Tantra Festival at Angsbacka. She has been living the tantric life and teaching all over the world in retreats and festivals. Find out more about her on: https://www.theartoflove.nu/

Hello their listeners and welcome to a special episode of blessed are the binary Breakers. I'm your host Avery Smith and I come to you a bit earlier than usual. The thing is something big is happening in the United Methodist Church right now, and it's got a lot of LGBT. EBT plus methodists and their allies worried starting very soon on February 23rd and going through the 26th is a special session of the UMC General Conference the outcome of this conference will determine things like whether all LGBT folks can be married and ordained within this denomination. I was lucky enough to get a lifelong Methodist onto the show to tell me and by extension all of You just what is at stake here? Adam Richards is a non-binary Methodist studying in Texas. They already work at a church there and are hoping to attend Seminary next year. It amazed me how much I could hear the spirit of God and Adam story as they told me about their worries and fears, but also their great love for the UMC and told me their reasons for staying in a denomination that sometimes hurts them. It is my hope that hearing a personal story from a queer methodists who will be very directly affected by the outcomes of the UMC General Conference might help people understand how vital it is to let us tell our stories when you hear real life experiences. It should help make real for you the fact that actual people people whom God loves and calls to participate in the church in various ways. Going to be impacted by this conference and all decisions in all denominations all Faith communities regarding sexuality and gender identity and I just want to give you a heads up. There will be swearing in this episode. I think Adam has every right to be swearing as they talk about this thing that is going to have a huge impact on their life their ordination their career. The lives of people they care about so please join me in learning a bit more about this General Conference. So for I'm not gonna bore with all the put bureaucratic details other than to mention the fact that the UMC loves bureaucracy, but we have like a legislative body that usually needs every four years called General Conference and it's literally two weeks all the methodists like delegates from all the Methodist fly. Annual conferences in the world go and meet and basically make all of the decisions. They need to make their next four years, you know real good system do it in two weeks. Um, what happened yours is only every four years. I'll prep the tyrian. We do it every two years. That's smarter honestly, but so what's basically happening is like within the book of discipline. There's these restrictions that say, there's things there's like one paragraph It says like clergy can't perform. Same joder weddings is another one that says like clergy can't be like LGB the cheese complicated I can get into that a little bit. Okay, that's that's a fun time. Let's get the whole separate thing. But and then you have there's also like the aligned in the pose like homosexuality is like fundamentally incompatible with like Christianity or something like that. I really gross and is the language for In LGB, is it like you can't be a practicing? Yeah be person. Yeah, that's what it used to be in PC USA my denomination, right? I'm just the wording is ridiculous. Oh that I'll do it like a little bureaucrat like a side. They're practicing means very different things depending on your district superintendent. Just like another level of leg - they have to approve you to be ordained certify you a candidate Ministry and some people like practicing. Saying like or something like District superintendents practicing means like you identify as Leia LG or even ski sometimes like from because a lot of people will just lump that in there because they don't know what they're talking about and sometimes it's means it's like, oh, well only if you're like dating someone so if you're like single you like the gay but that's still fine. You just can't like you just have to be single for the rest of your life mine are quotes and then there's another layer on top of that. We're like, sometimes it'll be like, oh you can be like you can do basically whatever you want. As long as you're not having gay sex, right? Like we're like same gender sexual relation with this is kind of like that. Actually M Barclay who's a non-binary minister. Yeah. They talked about this in an interview they did where they had when they were trying to get ordained in the central Texas conference, which is really conservative. And they are there was like a discussion with like 400 clergy were all like having this debate trying to determine whether they had ever had sex with their partner, which is just like that's so invasive right? Like I would say this is some has been a lifelong Methodist. Even I would have been like, yeah, fuck this. I'm out. Like I'm like, yeah, they you know that they went on to get like, you know, they went Another conference. I'm in Illinois and they got ordained up there, you know the Vets. They were still willing to stick with the church really is a testament really just to the resilience of like lgbtq+ absolute pay my you know, just like that's like, you know, they having that just keeps of spiritual abuse is levied on you but then like, you know still being like best this is not the church like, you know, the word of God is not like this and you feel like you have to keep going and I don't fault obviously don't fall people. Ooh Who feel like they need to leave the church. Like I understand the kind of hopping back to the general conference thing because I realized I never finished that thought. Oh, yeah, it's called again. There's layers to this so it gets kind of complicated to talk about. So basically General Conference meets every four years legislative make body and every four years, we have language that was put in the first like anti lgbtq+ language is put in a 1972, which is four years after the United. This church, like reunified all the Methodist nominations that have split as a result of segregation. So like already we go and do basically the same shit and already fucking up already. So that was really cool clearly learned nothing from the previous hundred years distribute against people. So like every four years, it's basically been like a massive clusterfuck like at General Conference because there's all these competing petitions from like, you know, Progressive Administration. Who like want to get rid of this language? And then there's like, you know really conservative like, you know delegates who like want to like really crack down on LGBT plus people in the church and the people who support them and it's just this back and forth and as a result, like basically nothing gets done because all of the legislating is focused on that and then there's no progress made on that. So things really came to a head in 2016, which was the last General Conference. Are the denomination almost went through a chaotic Schism like it? Oh it almost just fell apart like almost completely fell apart like not liking like, you know orderly division of property. It was just about to be like, you know, all right. Everyone's out like this is this is done like kind of deal at the last minute the Bishops stepped in and basically like, okay. we're going to table everything like lgbtq+ related at this conference and we're going to host a special General Conference three years from now because I'm sure that extra year is you know, yeah, so they're like, okay, you're gonna Host this like three years from now and they eventually they also went and develop like, you know plans for the domination going forward and Remain plans are there's the traditionalist plan, which is basically a status quo, but even harsher enforcement of the rules, there's the actual conference plan, which is basically like separate denominations, but under one like kind of global umbrella, theoretically sharing researchers and the the planet was endorsed by the Council of Bishops, which is the one church plan which would allow churches to decide whether they can like Mary. Three lgbtq or perform same-gender marriages and we remove the language in the book at this plan opposing like, you know, the incompatibility language and would allow for the annual conference to decide whether they will ordain lgbtq+ people. I think that's what pcus I ended up doing where one denomination where individual sessions and Presbyterians make the decision. Yeah, and so for context it is February. 16 right now is this being recorded and Conference I believe is the 23rd through the 26th. It's really soon after this and no one has any idea what's gonna there's just a splinter group called The Western Covenant Association is basically a pose whoo, any plan that would pass that even like the gives an inch to like this queer people. Basically that's like that that they just said we're going leave the church and we're going to do everything in power in our power to basically fuck over the denomination. Yeah. Well, I'm a very you know, because it's very, you know, very Christian thing to do, you know, you know if that's not motivated by Spite and hatred at all. There's that but no one really knows what plans going to pass or if they do nothing that's also an option which might be fucked up and of itself. Yeah. Basically there's like real chance that like A lot of every church is basically have to take a vote on whether they like remain in the UMC. Like well first off its just going to kill a lot of purchase. Like if you're like my Patricia I worked at and is like, you know, there's been declining in membership since the seventies and only has a worse like has 200 members and worships like 70 on a good Sunday and you know, you're still kind of working through this as a congregation like I'm out for at least is like by like as like bisexual to that. Station but they don't know I don't know if they know anything about trans stuff. Bye. It's really just kind of like I don't want to deal with this right now what kind of thing but like and everyone's been super nice to me, but it's just kind of one of those things. It's like it's the mostly older white congregation. I don't know what's going to happen or like having to like watch that happen. And again with this whole process you have no say in it basically but have to face all the consequences easy, Austin. It's like it determines make every like my entire like future because it's like am I going to be able to get ordained in this church and be able to become a commission candidate and be able to access scholarships because of that like and I can I continue working at the church a work? Yeah, like, you know because I wouldn't want to work at a church that decides the Westmead Covenant associations all that like that's horrifying people like people like me are the ones who like have to deal with all the consequences of this if like the one church plan. Like passes like that the because there was a church. They don't lose anything. It's just this seems like the sheer thought of having to share Ministry space where people just upsets them that much and it's really frustrating and annoying and it again it makes me wonder like why am I here like, you know, it's like kind of like why am I here because so again, that's just a question. I've been thinking about a lot and I kind of like boil it down to like You think one I'm not doing anything wrong. It's the other people have the problem. Like hi. I have done nothing wrong. So like I don't deserve this treatment to I'm a Wesleyan like like yeah, I can't just like pop denominations like the theology right? Like that's what people tell me and they're like, why don't you join like the Lutheran Church or why you dry my PC USA and I'm like no disrespect to you. But like I'm not a calvinist. Oh, believe me. I am not a calvinist either the other things were like, you know, I've given my whole life to the church. I've been like I've done the whole YouTube thing. I seven years inquire help bank account like a campus ministry like grow I work I've worked for shake to churches that this point and and one like Methodist Affiliated internship. You can't take that away from me. Like I've you know, I've like, you know, put my put my head on the line here like I Kind of like, you know paid my dues like, you know, and I think the last thing really was but really it's for the younger people in the church couple examples that come to mind immediately. We're both at our acre at Arapahoe and at Chapel Hill. I usually like, you know, I'm pretty open I oftentimes like we're like super duper crew themed shirts and stuff. I've had like, you know Young GE make people like come up to me and they're like, oh my God, like, you know like your shirt. So cool or like, you know, I'm really glad you work at this church and you're gay like, that's so awesome. Yeah, but you know and like that's like really that's the part of this. I like really like kind of keeps me here because it's like, you know, those people have hope that like, they see someone who is active and part of the faith and also living into their identity and that's something I didn't have when I was little They had no Role Models there and you know if I can be that then it's worth it. Yes. I am so with you there. But yeah, that's what I think that's just kind of like that's kind of like the big overview of like General Conference related stuff other than there's a couple more things I want to mention is one most churches have no idea that this is coming these congregationally so that's going to be a big surprise. Yeah, because the whole denomination is And of wanted to push this to the side for a long time and like prop up this facade of unity. Mmm, and so, you know church is just one talk about it. And so these issues are just kind of left to Fester like on top of that like because we haven't like figured out like the same gender marriage thing like trans stuff is not even a discussion that gets had Yeah, you mentioned that before that there's a Rinse most churches like even like a lot of progressive churches Methodist churches, like help identify Progressive the like really kind of 90s Progressive like they're like, yes. Yeah, they're kind of like all about like gay people but like if they're not they're not necessarily hostile towards trans people. They're just like, I've no clue what you're talking about like the church. I interned at over the summer last summer, which I will name drop because they are genuinely great. Like they are great people. They're willing to learn like they were just awesome people. I love That internship. I don't mean this is like, you know, like, you know a swipe at them. It's Oaklawn United Methodist in the neighborhood in Dallas. Go there. They're really cool Pastor like came up to me and she was like, I need you to explain like trans stuff to me because like this is not something that I have like ever been exposed to and I really want to like do right by this community my congregation like, you know, there are like gay men here. This is like a direct quote from Avatar dead provide, you know, I didn't figure out what transgender was until like last year and that was a conversation. I had this conversation. I had like this year and it's an older congregation and so but like that's kind of like but that's where they go a lot of like the churches are at. Yep, and sometimes the like they'll know some stuff about trans stuff but not anything about specifically non-binary gender queer stuff, right? Like yeah that's been like that especially has been like an education opportunity. You know and just like making sure like pronoun usage. Just correct. There was a master of my home Church, which is Arapaho. I mentioned I had to mention an email like hey like because they did a whole like they mentioned me and like the context of the storm which is really beautiful. I don't know if it's important is really beautiful, but they used the wrong pronouns an accident and I was like, hey you forgot my pronouns and yeah. And you know, I'm you know, maybe it's just I have low standards or something but like it like it's inches there and that's really what matters to me. Yeah, and it's like it's not these people's fault necessarily because they've been fighting another fight like their stock month. Like this is the thing that's like all-consuming and it consumes all Church debate. But if it's just it's silly and it's exhausting and I like finding like trans affirming fixed. Visibly trans affirming the uh, or like Ministry super hard like, yeah also the check. I just want to again I want to plug this because it's great same church. I interned at Oaklawn. They're actually doing a clothing swap. I believe it's on March. Yeah, it's March 2nd. They're doing a clothing swap like a trance Focus all of that. Thanks so fun. Yeah. Oh there. Good one that's a rabbit was my idea. It's an awesome idea Focus like they run. I there's a large homeless population there and they run a like Clothing Closet out of the church and they're always like looking for items. So it's like this is a great way to like one reach out transmuting to bring in items because the anything that gets like, you know is left over just gets donated so It's a great way to both like and you're just you're literally clothing. So many people as a result of this and like that's so awesome. Like that's so cool. You know, it's happening March 2nd. I think it's from 11 to 4. If you're in the DFW area totally go there you can meet me there and you'll meet a lot of really cool people there. Well, one of the things that they really frustrates me on the side about this kind of going back to the Methodist thing. I know we've bounced around a lot but most of the discussions I see taking place even while I got on Progressive angles is about the church property because there's a trust Clause that like you can't leave the UMC with your own property if you decide and and like all of this stuff about like, you know for your information is seems seemingly has been like reduced down to that and it's just like come on instead we talked about like, you know bu suicide rate, I will Talk about the fact that like 30% of lgbtq plus people like, you know use marijuana on a regular basis just triple the rate of the standard population. Not that that's like wrong or anything. But like, you know, it's a problem if they're doing it like if they're doing it because they feel sort of like they have no other Outlet, right? Yeah. It's just like there's so many of these things that are clearly the fault of the church and like, you know, those are not the stories that get cold at General conference is always a talked about in Methodist circles like this abstract thing and it's just like I want to grab people make shake my shoulders. I like I'm fucking right ear like fuck the fucking property. That doesn't matter that happen. Yeah bullshit. What do you have people who have no voices in the church because they can't be in leadership what I just don't have like the opportunity to like even Get this stuff and like, you know, and I'm like really frustrating thing. Like I expect that from like, you know, non affirming people like that makes sense because a lot of them, but just depend to humanize us out of habit at this point and we're we are considered a theological problem because our identities are not considered real but it's really frustrating when like progressives by into these argumentative frames because like you're automatically conceding when you buy it You like that kind of frame, you're automatically basically saying yeah, you're right. But like which is just like kind of roundabout like we're phobia honestly like yeah and more well-meaning but still very problematic right and like and again like it's really hard to find good allies in a Methodist contact because they don't have access to they don't have like the kind of networks of like lgbtq+ people to learn from Or the access to the theology that could help them 100 forced into these frames not even realize that and that and I guess just harm on top of harm on top of harm. But yeah, but probably you think is also like really fucked up just in general because you know, if there's any consequences to this it falls on us like because we either like lose our spaces or we lose our spaces. We lose our like, you know path forward is ministers we lose. They're like whole church like if the denomination usually social networks, and it's just you know, and like that's that's such bullshit. This is real fucking bullshit. I really wish I could take like every delegate who is considering like voting for hers knows plan and just be like, you know, there's live in my shoes for a day and have to deal with just the stress of this for a day just this like because then you that I People I feel like I'd hoped people would understand then why this is a problem. And why what is happening is causing harm. Yeah, if your side our side loses then we lose real practical things livelihood and jobs and church. Whereas if the other side loses they lost a theological debate, right? Well because like they also like again, A lot of this is motivated by like active bigotry and like there's definitely plenty of people on that side who see this and see the destruction of progresses faces as doing the work of God because they see us as false teachers and so it's just kind of like it's not enough to just merely squit. It's like no we have to defend the word of God and Destroy these people which a lot of this can lead to like literally tennis idle thoughts. This there is a general conference the few years ago. Like we there we have a large a lot of the overseas delegation is very clear video. Obviously, like not everyone not every United methodists who like lives overseas is like super conservative bigoted people do a lot of really racist shit because the Africa delegation in particular because like they're seen as the problem delegation and I'm like, yeah a lot of the theology that led to like the or theology over there was started over here by these white fundamentalist megachurches. So about you focus on them because they're the ones really causing the problem organizing things like the West they cut Wesley and having them Association, but there's one delegate my only mission was overseas because they were speaking through an interpreter. They speaking through an interpreter and they it was it was one of these numerous fucking debate over some like lgbtq related. And The Interpreter just refused to interpret what they said and they're like yeah, what you said is I'm not interpreting that like that's so vile. I am not interpreting that this is Avery from the future Adam emailed me after we talked they emailed me a link to an article about what happened with The Interpreter and basically what the delegate said in Swahili was that saying that a homosexual person was created by God is like saying that God created me to live with animals the translator did eventually translate it but apologized while doing so and of course as Adam was sure to mention. This is not an issue of good affirming American methodists versus homophobic African methodists. There are plenty of homophobic Americans just as there are plenty of affirming Africans the Wesleyan College Association. Feels perfectly fine with allying with those people but they're perfectly comfortable with making like allyship the people who if given the chance would kill us. But yeah, and that really that's what sends home to me what this is really about like it's not about like abstract theology. It's not about like it. Did you hate us? Yeah. Yeah things are things are going good in the Methodist church right now. Yeah, yeah working as an office manager during this is very interesting to like a bit of a lighter note because I handle a lot of the church like bureaucracy stuff. And so like I have like forms I had to turn into the conference or like things like update for them. Like I was updating like the church like leadership roster for like the annual conference and I'm just kind of feel like I'm like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic and I'm like, yeah, this is pretty cool that I'm doing this. I'm like is any of this going to exist in two weeks like like yeah, everyone's just like going about like this is completely normal and nothing's happening and it's kind of like I don't I don't know how I want people to be acting but this doesn't feel yeah. The thing about like Schism is the denomination breaking up is like, you know, it might be the most just way going forward but it's not something that's kind of like, you know, I'm necessarily Going to be like jumping up and down and celebrate because like you're losing connection with other people you're losing like, you know your abilities you like really good work just as like being part of a larger Innovation that can like, you know managed funds and get some core like United Methodist committee on relief is like we're wearing one of they I'm course like one of the like first group to like groups that book shows up at any natural disaster. Like there's like super huge part of like Disaster Recovery feel like hurricanes. We had or like tornadoes earthquakes. Like what have you like? I'm course always there. And that's the thing that would probably go away, you know, and also like all the churches that are going to get split apart and probably have to close their doors, but for all the people who might get these are like, you know getting getting hurt your kids are growing up in like or even adults like in like not affirming churches like, you know, like they even if like the ones whose plan passes, they don't have like that hope and they especially don't have that. Hope nutritious eyes to leave the denomination and That's the all of that's like just it's sad. It's been genuinely sad and even if it's like, you know. Better quote unquote outcome. We're like at least at least some Churches get that kind of get the freedom that they took to to be just towards lgbtq+ people like there's still so much that needs to be done like and so much like Injustice that still there and then you just lose like the resources thing and that's that's just disappointing and it's you know, because Happening for no reason and it was something that if we had better leadership, but didn't just want to hide this under the rug and valued Unity above Justice like you maybe could have stayed United and could have been without and then you know, this is what happened. This is what happens when you ignore sin. Wow, it festers and it causes harm and it leads to the ending of relationship and community and connection like That's what it does that needs to be a sermon because the data breach that will brief did I mention I'm going into ordained Ministry. Yes. I look forward to hearing how that goes for you because I think your voice is really needed. I'm currently one step away. If you could fly like Gorman the ordination process, so I got so my first process was going before like the pastor you go before your pastor. Then your pastor passes you on to your staff Paris Relations Committee of the turkey been a member at got to be a member for a year and I've been at rapaho for a while. So that's like no problem and then they will send you to host an annual conference. That is the Instinct District conference or something there send you to another like bureaucratic like meeting where it's like a bunch of people from other they, you know, like other churches and stuff are also there. And then they sign off on you and then you go to the district superintendent and they once the district attorney has group signs off on you. You become certified What's called the certified candidate and after that you can be you can get access to scholarships like all the fun stuff that like basically gives you the tools to go for it and be ordained. Yeah, and like I got stuck at the certified candidate process because I I am I'm in a relationship. Like that's that's where I got stuck. That was the particular District superintendents interpretation which like I'm salty about but also I understand that to some extent her hands are tied because like, you know, if she loses her job person who can replace her isn't gonna be more affirming anyways, and I know she wants weird am like like I'm like, she's like I want to ordain you like you were clearly called to Ministry. Buying like look, I mean, there's like nothing I do like, you know, I think that's like bullshit when you make also forced people into these kind of like, you know, this kind of like weird loyalty test kind of thing like that for shit. But yeah where they have to act against what they believe right out of fear, that's really sucky. Yeah, and you know hope she Basics made to me. they are like there's gonna be like a little bit of like a lead time if the one church plan gets through but like she's pretty confident that our annual conference would vote to ordain like we have enough Progressive leaning churches in the delegation to my kind of like when that boat basically, but but there was still be like a lag time few months and so it's like my schedule is like a little accelerated because which I wonder how that works out because these things you said it would be like the summer before like, you know, all that would have been squared away and it might happen and like annual conference for like this boat gets taken which is again the sub Conference of like stupid Methodist, but You know and yeah, so that's kind of like just how all of that works. I think one of the cool things. I know I have a lot of slides here and I'm very scattered brain, but I remember as I really agonize because you have to write up a crawl space and it was really agonizing about this and like, you know, how much of like do like I put forward here is like knowing that I like is a very reluctant to get stopped at some point process and I go to the pastor at Chapel Hill if uh, I work at I'm going you call me in for something else like to talk, you know, it's like, you know, yeah, I'm working on my call State and I'm like, you know kind of like figuring out like what should I put in here kind of like anything that like, hey it's about like the queer stuff like and he just looked at each other said you put the truth. Like you put the truth like because you know, if you don't then they will know like because you know your call and your identity are so tied up together. Yeah that why if you exclude all of that, it doesn't make sense and it's not like, you know, if it you you lose the it. Impact of it like, you know, you can't lie your way and lightweight or addition process, but you can't not to that extent like but and that like, you know really stuck with me like, you know, just kind of like, you know, and I think the thing about this is I don't know. It's like I'm going to be in Ministry like, you know, even if they like the UMC like implodes on itself even if like Of like my media Church resources, like go away. Like, you know, that would not be great. Like don't get me wrong. I don't want that to happen. Like, you know, if that Lord take away this cup from me, please don't do that kind of deal. But like, you know, I am called by God to be part of the be a Ministry and that institutions can't stop that. Like that's not a thing that's going to stop like this. Not going to stop happening just because you know, like some random-ass / somewhere says I shouldn't be doing it and it's like no like that's what we should be doing it like you don't even get a choice. Yeah. Well, you know, I think that's what's I don't know what that's going to look like necessarily look like in the future and but like there's also like once the healing processes can begin that something like beautiful can happen. Know what that looks like, but I have a lot of you know, I've seen what what what like, you know, the Holy Spirit can do through I've seen that in and like that's not knowing that's not going to go away is like the one thing that like provides me a lot of comfort right now. It's just like, you know, this this is going to happen my come hell or high water. It's gonna happen it is so beautiful. Thank you. You know II I honestly think like maybe it's just because I've been through a lot of like bullshit like and you know, it's not like I don't have my doubts from time to time but like share like and obviously there's nothing wrong with doubts. There's nothing wrong with having like, you know, a more tenuous connection to the faith, but like I don't think like I honestly at the point in my life were like, I don't think I could not believe like just because I have it seen the things that I've seen at least for me feel so divinely inspired. Like it against the Wesleyan experience thing. It's like, you know, like you're seeing the fruits of the spirit and you're like, yeah ignoring all the historical actors season the Bible like, you know like this. This is what I know that I can see this like this is this is it I mean I'm in there are three the part of it that's like motivated by Spike because when people tell me I can't do things I go out of my way to do them. Yes, not necessarily A shouldn't because you know, some people tell me like You know, hey, you shouldn't I don't know like some boiling water on your head and I just kind of like yeah obviously shouldn't do that. But it's like people tell me like no you can't be a minister because you're big for your and I'm like, I'm gonna be like the most Christian a Christian that yeah, do you ever fucking say yes, I just like double down Spike can be a really powerful motivator. This has been the wonderfully cathartic conversation. Yeah. I'm glad to hear that. That wraps up this episode listeners. Thank you so much for tuning in. It really was such a wonderful thing to get to sit with a real live Methodist to discuss what's going on with the UMC right now. I hope that all of you will join me in praying for the United Methodist Church as this General Conference gets underway, very shortly after this episode will be back on our normal schedule. So you You can tune in not this coming Sunday, but the one after that and we'll be back to our every other week schedule in the meantime, go break some binaries and to bless the world with your life.

From February 23-26, 2019, the United Methodist Church is holding a special general conference specifically for the discussion of "human sexuality." The outcome will impact all members of the UMC, but particularly those within it who are LGBTQ+. In this special episode, nonbinary Methodist Adam Richards was good enough to walk me through the various possible outcomes of this conference. While doing so, they shared their own story -- their love for Methodism and why they stay despite pain and frustation, their plans to pursue a calling to ordination, and the differences they've noticed between LGB issues and trans issues in Methodist churches. Talking points: - Introducing Adam and LGBT+ discussions in the UMC (0:00 - 5:14) - M Barclay and LGBT+ resilience (5:15 - 6:34) - Constant conflict at previous General Conferences (6:35 - 8:42) - This February's special General Conference: 3 main plans (8:43 - 10:56) - Possible consequences for congregations and for LGBT+ individuals (10:57 - 12:51) - Why Adam stays (12:51 - 15:04) - Congregations don't know; lack of knowledge and resources about trans people (15:05 - 19:46) - The discussion is focused on the wrong thing -- property instead of actual people; allies lack resources (19:47 - 22:39) - The consequences land on LGBTQ+ people; "live in my shoes" (22:40 - 23:50) - Groups who want to do LGBTQ+ actual harm; what this is really about: "You hate us" (23:51 - 26:51) - Schism will be a sad thing even if necessary (26:52 - 30:10) - Adam's journey to ordained ministry -- "no matter what, I will be ordained"; Spirit and spite (30:11 - 38:12)

Hi, this is how do I Cummington and mrs. Hapless podcast? I'm so excited that you're joining me today and it's a new year which means we had new goals new vision hopefully new purpose and we also need some new tools. I'm one of those people. That I grabbed a bunch of books and things that I want to utilize for the year and it's my responsibility to grow. It's my responsibility to give myself to equipping and discipling my life. And so that's really what my heart is for you as you listen to this podcast, you know, we don't do it a ton and when I do get on here, I just want to make sure you're getting kind of the the simple part of havilah Kennington and what we do over at treat the table and so today we're I'm I wish you could see my face because I'm smiling and I'm probably going to talk really fast because I'm very excited today. I have my friend and really here out in the faith. John bevere is a guest today on the podcast John welcome to the have a live podcast. Well, if you could see my face right now, I don't really smiling because I have the utmost respect honor and love for you and Ben and love what you're doing for the body of Christ. Oh John, thank you. You know, we really can't Connected early on Lisa they have four boys. We have four boys and we connected early on with the fact that someone said you need to find people of Hope because you're going to feel like you're not going to make it without them and I found a picture of the veers online and like posted it as my screensaver and I was like, those are my people of faith and people have hope who was in Lisa's course on mothers of men. Yep, you know messenger Internationals number one selling. Course, is it really Grazie? Oh, I love it. Yeah historically it's the number one. It's crazy. I love that. No, it's so appropriate to today's matter of fact. I just interviewed my assistance getting married and she's going to Australia. So I interviewed this lady yesterday that was unbelievable candidate for a new assistant and she said I came to know about your ministry through mom's of men and I was like, oh my God. I love it. Oh, yeah, it was it was so spontaneous and we just kind of thought let's start out there and see what people do and it was you know, really I think you know people raising boys are unique again that's on the top of her to talk about today. But raising boys, you have some Godly men now Mary you had two weddings this year. He took full year for you guys. That's right. You're using Asia Middle East and then they go we want to get married this fall because they both got engaged within four days of each other last summer and we're like we don't have any weekend's open and one son had to get married on a Monday night. It's so awesome. What good I mean, you know, it's funny as we pray. We pray pray and then all of a sudden the Miracles come at the same time. Yeah Dear Boy left for those of you single ladies that are I know and I keep telling him I said, And don't you dare get married or date anybody you're like the hottest commodity and the Christian world right now. So just leave it like that. It's so funny and you know, I can laugh about it because he has got such a humble attitude and he really does he's absolutely I mean girls think he's gorgeous and clueless to it. He's just so interested in people. He's probably one of the most gifted social men I've ever met in my life, you know, so Alec is definitely amazing. I would agree with that and he just has a way of pulling you in and there's no one that tells better stories than Alex. Oh, I'm one of those where I just want to sit and hear him tell a story. He's that guy, you know, he gets up to preach on like just tell stories just tells me like that. Well, I'm really excited to hear today John because this is really the launch of a brand-new book that you are researching the body of Christ with and it's called God. Where are you which just reading the It'll is like oh, yes, we need to we need to answer this question, but I'm just really excited about this this resource and I guess I'm curious like obviously you've written a lot of books. How many books have you written? This is number 21 only 21. I wish you would apply yourself John. I need you. I need to be self recycling more diligent. That's right. So 21 books and now you write this book called God. Where are you? And We when I started seeing some of the information about this book and obviously it's launched. It's ready. You can purchase it on Amazon. But what I really love about this is the topic of the Wilderness and the idea that God often times takes us in a different seasons and one of those seasons is the Wilderness season. So I'm curious. How did you decide to write this book and kind of what started the conversation in your own heart? Well have a lot. You know what I got saved. I went to work for a church in the early 1980s we had 450 paid staff members and I was the executive system to the pastor and we had a wall there were so many miracles that happen our church. It was crazy. I mean wheelchairs up on the wall. They were Walkers up in the wall. I remember the Ku Klux Klan Grand wizard snuck into a service one night. He was going to take his life. If God didn't prove himself real, you know, there's a four thousand seat Auditorium the past walking down the whole Hall just the aisle joking. All that and turns the guy in reads his mail says you're in the clan and I mean it was amazing. I watched the guy with the red and white walking team come walking in and literally blind and I knew it wasn't a fake or phony because I'm the pastor's executive assistant and he walked out. I remember there was an ambulance that backed up in one of our services and the paramedics told pulled out this guy wheeled him down and just literally the guy gets healed he had T 4 hours left to live and pushed his bed out Jesus appeared in the sanctuary and about 850 because we have you know, one whole wing of a balcony. We it was packed. We had 4,000 people in the building but literally 800 people saw him. It was a split second and he left an imprint of his face on the wall that looked like the Shroud of Turin and and stay there stay there for literally a year and a half and just stays out and so company. This is normal Christianity, right? This is just everybody but you know God spoke to me and he said I've given a thimble full of my power to the church and he said Son I've done this to see how they will handle it and he said but it's going to lift and I thought this was just normal Christianity and God spoke to me and he said Son I've given a thimbleful of my power come on to the chart and he said to See how she'd handle it. And obviously we didn't handle it. Well because because one of my jobs was I picked up guest speakers and you know, and this is none of this is in the book this does I'm just I'm just saying what motivated this and I'll get to the point but you know half at probably half 40% to half of those ministers that those amazing miracles happen through aren't even in Ministry today. I mean our own church the building had to be imploded. Because they have black mold. Our pastor is not even in the ministry anymore today. And God said to me said I'm going to bring my church in the wilderness to develop her character. And then when she comes out my church will see the greatest move of the spirit of God. The Earth is ever seen. Yeah. Now that was you know, 25 years ago and I am sensing in my heart prophetically the church is about to come out but something God showed me is the greatest attack against us. This comes at the very end of the Wilderness. If you look at David, God says you're going to be king. That's the promise right then he goes through the process. That's the Wilderness. He's living in caves and deserts but it was at the very end. That is when Ziggler got attack. He lost his wives and children all of his men. They wanted to Stone him. That was his greatest attack and I really felt like there are so many and if you're listening to me right now, you can go and God, where are you? Where are you you it seems like I'm going backwards from the promises you've made to me. Seems like you're nowhere, you know, your presence is nowhere to be found. Like it used to be in my life and you're coming. I believe prophetically the whole church and individuals are coming to the end of this this this Wilderness season because Jesus goes into the desert heat. God says, you're my son. I'm pleased with you, but then the spirit of God leads him into the desert to be tempted of the devil and it was at the end of the 40 days that the massive Temptations came the whole 40. Days, he was tempted the Bible says but this is when the mass of one came when the enemy was like just give up just give up your the Son of God make this thing into bread. So, you know, but he returned when he came out of the Wilderness he came into Power he came the Bible says he went in filled with the spirit putting returned in the power of the spirit. And so I sense that so many people are at the very end of their Wilderness and the greatest attacks going to come and what we need is tools and wisdom. To overcome like David had to have encouraged himself in the Lord to overcome. So that's why I felt now is the time now is the time to release this message. But basically the Wilderness is when God's presence seems like he's a million miles away and is in the promises he's made to us or even further if you look at Joseph you're going to be a leader, but then you know when he when he shows up on the scene. He's a bit of a bragger. He's a bit of a tattletale. He's talking down to his brothers, but when he goes through this Wilderness and it's pit slavery dungeon, we all know that he comes out of it and he comes out of it now with the character to handle that position that God wanted to put him in there's promotion that was his promotion. So it goes promise process promotion and a lot of us God wants to put us into places of influence, but we need the character and that's what the purpose of the wilderness. So it looks like he's going yeah, it seems like God Made Me This Promise of leadership. My brothers are going to serve me and he's just going backwards. He's going pit slavery dungeon and it's at the end of his Wilderness that the greatest attack came against him. It wasn't really a track. It was the greatest test. And what was the test? Well God brings a butler and the Baker and the test is can Joseph can Joseph Proclaim to the Butler and Baker the faithfulness of God when he hasn't seen any evidence. It's of it in his own life in 12 years. Now. What do I mean by any evidence? God said you're going to be a leader in your brother's going to serve you. Well. He's in a dungeon to die. I mean he's put there to rot because he's been accused of raping his master one of the king's officers wives, so he's going backwards and you know, if Joseph would have been like a lot of people he would have said to the Butler and Baker you had a dream leave me alone. I had a dream 12 years ago dreams. Don't come true. God doesn't answer. If you would have done that and would have died in the dungeon saying God's not faithful when in reality, he was faithful. So the thing to do is when it seems like God is not coming through in our life. He is working. He's not abandon us. He's not put us on a shelf. He is not wasting our time because God is the one that commands us to redeem the time what he's doing he's working on her behalf. If you look at Job jokes that I go forward. He's not there I go backward. I can't perceive him but when he's working on My left hand so God was working on Judge behalf, but it didn't seem like he was so that I know there's so many people out there have low right now. They're like God seems like you're doing nothing in my life. I've been put on the Shelf. I've been left here to rot. I'm not doing any anything in regard to what you promised me. No, that's not true. He is working in our life and we need to know that yeah, I love that because what you're doing is you're giving people hope that even if they can't see anything he's still at work, but what you're also So doing is showing that God isn't always say God isn't raising grandkids. He's raising children and grandkids get given what they want often, but with the children but you know parents want to give kids the ability to be a sustainable adult a healthy adult of contributor to society and a healthy way. So they know that it requires training and discipline and a season we're almost as if responsibility can give you given slowly I think about this in our walk with Christ and what you're saying, which I think is profound. It is you're saying there is a process to maturity. There's a process to equipping and character and often when it's the darkest is what you're saying. It doesn't mean that the light's gone out. It means that there's going to be a light but you need to hang on and your building muscles. You would not build unless you're being stretched like this. Is that what exactly right? Yeah, that's exactly right. We build those spiritual muscles. And you know, I remember when Addison he's our first born in, you know, you're observing a lot because your dad and your first year this year. Firstborn son. Yeah, but you know every every whimper every cry God's presence was there. I mean, oh my God, excuse me, everyone for every cry. His mother's presence or my presence was there. Yeah, just you know just there there but then the day came when we had to let him teach him we had to teach him how to feed himself. So I remember the first day and it's still Vivid in my memory. There is half the food is on his high chair and on the floor. He is so frustrated and he's looking at us like why aren't you feeding me? The truth of the matter is we didn't want an 18 year old son that we had to still spoon-feed. Yes. Yeah. This is what happens with us with God. We're like, you know, I remember when I first got saved have Aurora. Oh my gosh. I just would whisper the name of Jesus and I'm in tears and his presence is there and I'm like, oh this is so Wonderful am thinking this is going to be the rest of my life and yet the day came when I went into that first Wilderness. It was an 18-month experience. I'll never forget it and it was like God what's going on and I kept saying what sin have I committed? What have I done to offend God and there was nothing I had done it was like God was saying I'm ready for you to take a first major leap of your spiritual growth. Yeah. I remember before that happen. You know when I was a baby Christian my cassette player, I know all of us have no idea what cassettes are there dinosaurs I get it, but I had a cassette player in my car and it broke and I was so frustrated because I don't have the money or the time to fix it. And I remember you know, Jesus said lay hands on the sick and they will recover I laid hands on my cassette player and got it. He fixed it comes like oh gosh, so, you know, I mean and then when that time came you're just like God you've abandoned me. Where are you? What sin did I commit no, sin? It was God was bringing me in the first level of growth and I totally agree remember as a young woman teaching a series called when God hides himself and it was my Wilderness season where I was trying to deal with the fact that God was it wasn't it was separating self, but he was definitely trying to get me to move forward and if he met me where I was I would stay where I was so I had to he had to kind of move further back so I would walk towards him, but I'm curious. Do you find even as a leader and as someone who's been in the body of Christ for decades, do you find that the Wilderness comes through a over and over or does it just happen one time? How does it work in our lives? So the Bible says that John the Baptist was in the deserts right until the day is manifestation to Israel and the Bible says that the word of the Lord came to John in the desert. So I I talked specifically about this book. I have gone through many wildernesses. And any time I go through Wilderness. I know it's a time of growth. It's a time of preparation. It's a time of strengthening. It's a time of purification have a I'll be really honest with you. I went through a major Wilderness the end of 2017 and a good part of 2018. And I know what got I see here's the thing in the book. I say this in the introduction. I've gone through several Wilderness seasons in my life. Walk With Jesus, okay, but the ones where I was the most confused and ask the most questions were the first two because the first one I went through was an 18-month one and then the second one that I went through and made the first one look like a picnic. I remember that one. I was crying out and asking so many questions because my my boss wanted to destroy my life. He literally was set to destroy me and I had done nothing wrong. I do it was doing was creepy. Preaching Holiness as a youth pastor to my youth group and his dad was my boss. One of the kids dads was my boss. One of the kids is Dad was my boss. Yeah, and he literally said himself to destroy my life. He murdered my reputation. He slandered my name and the thing is I watch God restore everything. He was fired on one day because he was embezzling from the church and I was restored but that was after an 18 months of what seemed like a hell on Earth. And in those first two was on I had most of the questions and that's when God start answering from from the word of God. So I don't I don't talk a lot about the questions. I was crying out in later wildernesses experiences because I knew what was happening if that makes sense. Yeah. Did you sense? Like do you feel that there are things that it's almost like a when you go into a storm on a boat, you know, you got to hold on and you know, this is all part. It's I must want to say also like when you're taking off on an airplane, you know, you know, here's the signs the two beeps mean get your seat in here and you can feel the airplane taking off and the more you fly with you fly all over the world. You understand you kind of get in this rhythm of knowing what's going to happen and there's some their sides and I think about that with the Wilderness you're saying there are moments where the same questions the same concerns that same wonderings, but you got to hang on. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I'm saying that through experience I under you know, The experience of the earlier ones taught me how to hang on for the next ones. That's an excellent example you gave so when I hear and oh, hey John get the seat belt on I don't even have to look up. I don't even have to you know, I don't really have flown 12 over 12 million miles only look up at the see, you know, when I hear to the captain wants to talk to you. Out there like you could probably get up and do this this this safety speech better than me, you know, and so yes, there is you get experience and it produces hope and I have a lot of time going through a really dry season like the 2017-2018 one. I'm like, okay, I know what's going on. So there's a lot of Hope in me because I know it's at the other end of it. I've watched the great blessing and Ian and favor of God, that's come on my life after I have half properly handled Wilderness season and so handled A wilderness season. That is that's brilliant properly handle either way. You have to properly handle it or what you end up with scars you end up hopeless you end up? Well, yes, let's talk about that. Yeah, Joseph properly handled his Wilderness season. He was promoted into the dream that God, but if you look at the children of God intended for them to be in the desert for one year. He intended that after a lot of careful study. I discovered that one day and I was like, wow, okay, I get it. So you can't shorten your Wilderness season, but you can sure lengthen it and the way they liked it is they didn't properly handle it. They complain now one day I say God complaining, you know, that's one of the you know, they there was the big five of First Corinthians 10, right? There's a Adult sexual morality tempting Christ idolatry. And what was the other one? Oh, I came out but they're huge their bigness of sins. Right? And then the fifth one is complaining and I'm like God you like lump complaining him with idolatry and tempting Christ is complaining so bad and the Holy Spirit spoke to me now that I will never forget this he said complaining is an insult to my character. Come on. As too many that's tweetable. Okay. Listen to me. I'm finished. It gets even better. Okay complaining says to me God. I don't like what you're doing in my life right now. And if I were you I would do it differently. Yeah, and I went oh my goodness and that's why I then saw complaining to be just as severe as sexual immorality and idolatry. And really the Bible talks about a root of bitterness and I think complaining is what opens the door to where we begin to build a root and I think Roots, you know, the Bible is really really tells us clearly about the root of bitterness and I think that's really where the danger of the Wilderness happens because if we don't like you said almost go through the Wilderness in a proper or healthy way we'll end up with grooves in our own spiritual life and really lies and misconceptions that will end up passing out. The other people because we prolonged are Wilderness because we didn't process it, right and yeah, right me how many I know you and I both minister to the church and I find often with people. I'll have a conversation with them and I'll think I'll listen to their story and I'll thank you have prolonged your Wilderness because you won't surrender. You won't humble yourself. You won't learn, you know, you're going around the mountain again, and I love you, but you're making life. So you're working too hard. You don't have to work this hard you're going to the Valley of the shadow of death, but you don't need to stop there. You need to keep walking and people really sit and hang out there. You know, I had a meeting with someone yesterday that worked very high level in a church. That was huge National prominence. And I said to this person after talking for some time. I said you have a clear spirit and I know what you went through. Yeah and that person. Smiled and said, yep, it took a lot of intentional allowing the Holy Spirit to probe my heart but you know have luck. Wow. I've seen people work for churches like that and they have a Bitter Root as you said and they now are cynical there now jaded and it's because they didn't handle their Wilderness season correctly and I look at a love First Chronicles 12 15. It says the sons of A car had understanding of the times so they knew what Israel ought to do and when you understand the time of the Wilderness you then know the proper behavior? Yeah, you got my time. If let's say let's say, you know somebody from the south they go. Oh my dreams to go to Colorado skiing, right so they could fly up here. They got their brand new snowboard. They got all their stuff. Our gear on they got their goggles everything to get on the chair lift. They ride up to cheer lift and they jump off the chair lift only to fall flat on their face. Yeah one because it's summertime. There's no snow on the ground the mountain and you know, what would have been beneficial behavior in the wintertime. They would have gotten down that mountain, you know in 60 seconds, right, you know seconds to 2 minutes in the wintertime. Now, they've got a basically carry all this gear down. The mountain in the summertime so proper behavior in the wrong season can end up being detrimental and when we have understanding we know the proper behavior and that's the big thing. You know, the Bible says yet understanding it tells us get it guys. This is what the Holy Spirit keeps reverberating through my heart about this book. This book is going to give my children understanding to have the proper. in the season of the wilderness It's incredible, you know, you mentioned the beginning when we were talking about how you felt like the church was at this moment in time where we're in the wilderness. We are being pulled back and that are potential or a promise is coming. Do you feel that the church is doesn't know how to Steward the Wilderness right now. And this is why there's complaining or disconnect or breaches and relationship or people are walking away from communities because the Wilderness they don't realize that it's a God's plan for them. Yeah, and also let me add one more thing to be you accurately said there's a bunch of ishmael's being birth. Wow. So another words. Okay. Let's talk about in Ishmael. Yeah. God made a promise to Abraham when he was 75 and God said to him. It's not Eliezer who's the era of your household? It is a sun that will come from your loins. He didn't say a word about Sarah but after 11 years. Of nothing. Sarah said come on. Let's get moving on this. God said you were going to have a son marry my my servant and of course Ishmael was born and God said, okay. They think they can do this in their own ability In Their Own Strength. I'm going to wait until he's reproductively dead. Not just Sarah him and said, he'd have his own body. Yes. He said because I am not and this is this is what God says. I am not going. Allow you to birth what I promised to you because if you do then we have to share the glory and God says I'm not sure anybody's right. So so what also happens not just a skirt not just discouragement and complaining you also get people that try to birth ishmael's and ishmael's are not The Heirs of the promise. So there are going to be issuing Ministries and there's going to be Isaac Ministries and God showed me this one day. Wow. Do you want an issue of ministry? Because he said if you You can do it, right it is a promise. I've called you to preach. He said if you do it, you're going to have to provide for it because what's birth in the flesh has to be provided for by the flesh. But he said what's birthed in the spirit. He said the spirit provides for and can I tell you you know, that was tough for me because I'm watching my friends and my friends are like being promoted. They're going forward. They're they're doing they're doing well not you know, and I'm like Oh my God, you know what? Am I doing? I mean and yet I knew that God was saying no you're going to serve now, you're not to birth your ministry and some of those friends that I watch go forward and I knew they were new have a life that they were making it happen. I've never heard from them since and that was 30 years ago and yet I felt they were more gifted than me. They were more talented than me and they should have gone much further. Further but you know, it's it's gotten said that prophetic word cast out the bondwoman with her son for the son of the flesh will not be Heir with the son of the promise and so it's just an encouragement to say. Hey, you're some of you yeah, we're going to have a discouragement the Temptation most people will but some people who are very aggressive. Yeah, they're going to be they're going to be tempted with the To birth and Ishmael. Yeah, so I mean again that's that's wrong behavior in the wrong season. And so I just want to see people I want to see everyone I want to see them receive that promise from Heaven. I mean have Allah why is it that your ministry is growing so fast, I mean, how do I know? There's there's people up is good communicators is better better much better than I didn't want to say that but Why is it that God is just causing this ministry of yours to explode because I can already tell you you were a girl that probably was tempted a lady. I'm sorry. I was called I was I was a girl when I started your girl that was tempted to make it happen on your own. But some of the spirit of God was like, uh, uh, and then that day came when the spirit of God said now go. Yep, and you know, Jesus came out. X that desert time in the power and you came out of whatever your Wilderness time was because I know you could teach this just as easily as I could and you came out of that time. And now you have you know, I love what James says blessed is the man or woman who endures Temptation and test for they shall receive the Crown of Life Crown speaks of authority. Yes. There's going to be a crown in heaven, but I think it's talking about this like Crown speaks of authority and with authority comes power. Jesus goes into the desert filled with the spirit comes out. In the power of why he endured the Temptation in the tests of the Wilderness now, he's got the authority. He didn't get a free ride. It's not like it's got a free ride and we don't write Jesus had to go through everything. We have to go through it does and it says that clearly he does he did everything we did. I think what's really interesting and this is something that you have to get ahold of is you have to understand that you the promises and the purpose of God is where life is fulfilled and where we Begin to know that we're living exactly as we are called to live on the earth. So what you're saying is is if you don't Steward the Wilderness properly you will you don't understand what the promise holds because you'll you know, you'll do anything. I remember as a young woman. I was invited to be a pastor at Bethel Church at 19 and they came down asked my dad. Hey can have like come up. I want to be a pastor Bethel church, and I knew I wasn't ready. I knew that wasn't the season and I remember saying no I can't. I can't do it's not time. I'm God really told me to sit and serve my parents. We were purchasing a church. I was going to do everything from clean toilets to answer phones and and it was so funny because Bethel of course it gosh didn't turn into anything other than a worldwide Ministry and exploded out of every seam of the building and here I was setting up church every single week by might you know with my small team doing exactly what God called me to do and sometimes the Ishmael is that we know we can make something happen. It's like the girl that goes out and gets married because she wants to be married and then doesn't understand why marriage is so tough and you're saying yet anybody could get married anybody could have a kid anybody could start a blog anybody could write a book, but you want God's hand on it and I look back now at Bethel, you know, it took me almost 20 years later and now invited in now have such a beautiful relationship with this community and it's been really a launching place for my life. It took many years of not having to navigate when you Like you're going the opposite direction. I think the enemy holds over us the lie that we missed God when things get hard. I'm standing here with my mouth open and let me tell you why because my church came to me and said we really want you to be a pastor and I felt uncomfortable after a weekend of fasting and praying I came back and I said I feel like if I do this I'll be taking Saul's armor and turned it down and people thought. I was nuts. Okay, because this was the most prominent Church in the United States in the 1980s early 1980s. Yeah, people thought I was nuts. But I knew God was like this isn't me? This isn't me? And then TL Osborn who was like my hero. He had led 62 million people to the Lord in his Crusades in Africa and he offered me a position and God said and people thought I was nuts again and yet let me let me tell you what just went through my mind when you said that it was Sarah who encouraged Abraham to do it. It wasn't a premium. It was Sarah and yet Abraham did it and had an Ishmael and I'm thinking wow A lot of times the encouragement to promote to promote yourself or accept a promotion when it's not God's time yet will come from somebody else. That's right and often when they Have their own issues of fear their own issues of wanted God to promote them. They will often try to get you to step out. That's what I thought in my own life. I don't know if you know, but in my own life I find there are many times people will counsel me out of their own pain out of their own desire out of their own ambition, and I'm going that's great. But at the end of the day, I have to Steward my own internal world and that honestly if we do that well that will take most of our energy just to it our heart mind will and Surrender and have him Lord of our life. It takes a lot of focus and connection and I just think people often times they don't want to see you in pain. And so they want to kind of get you out of it. I remember one time John I was this is kind of like a bit of a side Bop but at one point the prophetic has been very key in my life and I have had the prophetic has been one of the most propelling force in my life, but also one of the most painful parts of my life and I remember going to God in the wilderness and saying God you prophesied. You said this and it felt like this was what God was doing and then it just the door shut what happened and the Lord really spoke to me and said there's a difference between the prophetic and discernment and some people will see your life and they will discern pain they'll just discern of heart to do something. It's like the girl that wants to get married to everyone saying your husband's around the corner. They may not have heard that from God, but they see the pain or hey that person is trying to get pregnant. Well your baby's coming. Well, they want that to happen. So they're going to prophesy out of the pain. But what they're doing is they're Discerning the heart and this is what's really critical that we understand what God is doing because often it's our immaturity that wants to prophesy somebody out of pain instead of letting them live in the process and realizing that when God wants to do something in their life. They will it's the same as happening in the body of Christ right. Now. There's a lot of people prophesying a lot of momentum and this what God's doing and what you're saying is no it's not yet guys. We are still we're still stewarding the Wilderness in our lives. They'll be promise. But we've got to be careful. We don't try to get people out of the process. I couldn't agree more with what you just said and I think it's the empathy. It's a yeah, but think about it. When what is real true compassion? Is it giving somebody an opportunity to burthen Ishmael or alleviating somebody from the pain that's actually going to Bring the purification or actually causing person a person to go around the mountain again or is true love saying I know it's I know it's rough but God is preparing you for something great. And it's not, you know, we always want to give hope to people that are in pain, but we don't want to give false hope and and and I would just say, you know the scripture that just came into my heart was this while you were talking was some Thirty One where it says. My times are in your hand. Yeah, so the psalmist says says that are times as far as the our seasons of our life are in God's hands and even Jesus said it's not for you to question the time or the season that the father's putting his own authority. So there's one thing all of us have to realize is seasons and times are in God's hands and if we try to shorten the season before God has determined. The season is to be shortened. We open up a person to actually create create problems whether it's let that false hope that always sets a person up for a letdown. And so I think it's very important that unless God Almighty speaks to us because I know you as a prophetess. This happens a lot. God will give you periodically he'll give you a season and that's a true. You'll see prophets in the bible by this time next year. You'll have a baby in your arms. God gave that. That to them to him. Okay, and but if God doesn't give it we feel the pressure because we seal see the pain. Yep. And so very important especially prophetic people that we understand the season of the Wilderness. That's right, you know, because what is our strength empathy compassion love will end up turning around and being a weakness if it's not coupled with wisdom and understanding that's right. And and one thing you're saying John, which I think honestly this So probably I hope that our community is leaning in because this is is critical but we can't you know Studies have done scientific Studies have been proved that you can't build self-esteem by telling someone to be confident or to have self-esteem. The only way to build self-esteem is through the struggle. It's to know that you went through something and you did it and you didn't die and what you're saying is that God is saying you can't become the people you're called to be and I can't just tell you your people promised. I can't just tell you. That you've got purpose. I can't just tell you that you're going to make it you're going to have to actually walk through it. So you can have something that no one else can take from you and this is why this book is critical in our in our generation community and I'm so grateful that you wrote this book because we need we need to know that there's a plan in the pain and there's a plan in the wilderness and they're not doing something wrong because we all know that that was part of the LIE we were doing something wrong and that's why we're not Experiencing God in that way, and it's not true, but also the warning The ishmael's how to Steward our Wilderness how to know the signs of a Wilderness how to know what to you know, what to talk to God about the most mean all of these things are critical and then on top of that what season it's a church in I mean this book is so necessary John. I'm really really I'm kept just compelled with this sense of urgency, like everyone needs this book. They need to read this book will have a lot. I just I'm believing with all my heart. It's going to bring hope and answers. And I will say that I spoke to 3,300 people just two days ago or this past Monday and three days ago homestays are blurring for but do you know that the amount of tears I heard is I was preaching was just mind-blowing and I will say you could hear the sobs, right and I will say so many people came up to me and said John. This is exactly where I'm at. And this has brought me so much hope and answers and also the reviews that we're getting on the book initially we've gotten in we've gotten in about or well I say Amazon and as we've gotten in about a couple hundred reviews already. Yeah, they're all saying exactly what those people said at that church. So it's my my deep deep. Hope you know, I've got that kind of Father's Heart. I turned 16. You're not just really love people. In the body of Christ so much and I wasn't always that way. I was a young energetic young man. It was so much more concerned about the mission than I was people and I you know, that's that's one of the Wilderness has sure took that out of me. But now I really don't want to see people confused. I don't want to see them frustrated. I don't want to see them get bitter and cynical and jaded. It's just a passion right now. So I really hope that What the Holy Spirit does with this book? Yeah, it gets in everybody's hands I do too and I just want to thank you John for writing the books that we need. Not just the ones we want and I think that's really critical it specifically of a heart of a father that says you're going to need this to go where you're called to go. And you know, I just sense that so deeply and I just want to thank you. I know the road hasn't been easy and you know, it is humbling to talk about Wilderness Seasons. It's humbling to talk about questions. It's humbling to say I did. Know what to do and for you to write these words the you lives are going to be changed people are going to come back to believing that God has a purpose for their life and it really is it's just really powerful. So I want to thank you for giving your life to this. I can't imagine the world without you and Lisa and your family you are a gift to anybody who knows you you and I both know. It's all the grace of God. Yes. Okay, so where can people find this book John? Well, you know Amazon's easy you they can go to messenger International or they can go I mean there's a I think most airports stores are carrying them. Come on. It's a noble they can go to what's that that store that are owned by the greens. Oh my gosh, John. Oh my gosh. I'm trying to think Hobby Lobby. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then most of all most every Christian bookstore and even secular book stores. However, you cool. Is pretty good. So yeah, I have to ask now the easiest way is just click on Amazon. And that was you got it downloaded or it's at your house two days later if you're a Prime member so so true. Okay if ask you are you going to do a course on this already? It's called It's called The Wilderness. I actually did it before the book came out there. As soon as I saw that one that's I was curious about this months ago and what we've discovered. Discovered this the hard way that if I name a course exactly the title of the book people don't get it and I will say in the wilderness course though. It is similar material. There is a lot in the wilderness course, I didn't put in the book and there's a lot in the book that I didn't put in the course so that I tried to do it so that the two would really bring bring a complete package so they can go to you would go to messenger International for that to get the wilderness. Course. Yeah, I love that and and really, you know, it's you can only communicate so much in a book. You really need to be able to hear it preach and you need the whole kind of full meal deal. So that's I encourage anybody to see this go do both go get the Wilderness course and obviously get the book and this will be on your library for fun. Let's talk to somebody who understands that I do know it exactly it's like the parent person who hasn't parents had yet and you explain your kids. It's like I love you, but I'm not interested unless you have a limp. I'm not interested. Specifically when it comes to this, so John, I love you, please, you know, we pray for master anyone can find you a message International as well. There's lots of resources and books and courses and super excited. I also want to say this this is like that thing we talked about but your kids are also you guys watch Sons and Daughters and that is very exciting as well. They can follow its your sons and their wives and some other people on the team, right? I assume it's a couple other people Yeah couple people in the team, but it's really really refreshing to hear these. Young people having so much fun but yet communicating and I'm compromised message in the fun and it's just I'm so proud of her. I know I love it. It's just another glimpse of what your home has been like so I love you guys so much. Have a great day John and I'm so glad you're on this podcast and come back. Will you come back? Oh, I'd love to Lisa. I would love you and been so deeply. So we're so proud of you. Thank you for being such pure instruments that God is using in the end in the Earth today and you truly are a gift to the A price and that you have a great day John. Bye now. Bye. Bye. Well, I hope that really blessed your life. I hope that everything God is trying to get to you. You grabbed a hold up again. Don't forget to give me a shout out on the socials and there almost every day. And if this podcast really spoke to you, would you consider leaving a review? 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Today I have a special guest and friend on the podcast with me, John Bevere. We will be talking about the wilderness season together and how God takes us through different seasons in our lives. God allows us to go through the wilderness to develop character. God told David, he would be king, but then David had to go through the process, which is the wilderness. Joseph was given a dream but was forced to go the exact opposite direction of that dream to be ready for the promise. God wants to put us into a place of influence, but we need the character first. We don't always go through this season because we did something wrong but because we need it to go where He's called us to go. Promise. Process. Promotion. In the wilderness, it feels like God’s presence is far away from us and the promises He made us even further. But when you understand the purpose of the wilderness, you have the proper behavior to grow through it. If you don’t steward the wilderness properly or understand it, you will never understand what the promise holds. It is so important that we have the right tools, wisdom, and encouragements in this season to endure it and grab hold of its purpose.

This is episode 1 of the new paradigm intimacy podcast. I'm your host Lauren Renee. I'm a sexual empowerment coach and leader in the new paradigm of intimacy. So the way that I ended up here hosting this podcast with the amazing Victoria read Bard who I'm about to introduce is a pretty powerful story and one that I will totally connect to what weAs the new paradigm as a whole so I had stepped into my own journey of being a leader and finding my voice in what I wanted to deliver into the world and that really led me down a path of embodiment practices and really looking for a way that I could Empower other leaders in this world. And so in 2019, I had a very Vivid dream about being a superhero. Victoria and we had never met before I had only known Victoria through social media. I really resonated with her and felt this deep connection. And so when this dream came through to me, it was a clear message and something that I noted down and just as it would be Victoria put a call out that she was looking for people to connect with and support her business. And so we connected and started. Together and the rest is kind of History. I jumped in and what we found was that we both shared this deep passion to empower more people to be delivering their true message to the world and through this connection. I was taken on the Journey of incorporating sexuality deeply into the work that I was already doing and so I can be true Testament that sexuality is everything. It is such a core piece to bringing us back to the Truth of who we are and being able to bring that out to the world and it's impacted every area of my life and what I felt I'd really journeyed up into the point of recording this podcast is actually letting the new paradigm bully land into my life. And so coming together on this podcast right now is incredible for me because before I stepped into this work years ago, I was a journalist and I absolutely loved interviewing people and creating new stories and Coding things just like this. So it has always been a dream of mine to create a podcast so I cannot wait to share all the incredible Knowledge from leaders all around the world who are shifting us into the new paradigm. So without further Ado, I will introduce Victoria. So Victoria red barred is a somatic sexologist counselor speaker researcher open relating expert author of Emission through touch and the founder of The Institute of new paradigm intimacy. So originally from the UK she is studied Tantra and sexuality in many countries and now resides on the Gold Coast in Australia helping people access blow States through tantric practices today. She is creating worldwide cultural change through her sexuality School The Institute of new paradigm intimacy, which offers deep learning into the psychosocial and somatic aspects. Cutting Edge sexual education her mission is to see men and women step into their bodies and out of their heads and create more qualified educated and empowered sex and relating coaches to provide the safe space needed for everyone to feel free The Institute of new paradigm intimacy is a step towards seeing Sexual Health Plans become just as common as mental health plans. So in today's episode Victoria and I talked about her. Journey to uncovering the new paradigm in her own life what even is the new paradigm what is self pleasure and how self-pleasure and connecting to our bodies is core to creating the new paradigm and so much more juicing is this conversation is just so expensive and I cannot wait for us to just share this and let the impact of the new paradigm Ripple out to all of you and so now let's bring on Victoria. And we will share this amazing conversation with you. Okay, so welcome everyone. This is our first episode of the new paradigm intimacy podcast and I am here with the face of it. All who is making epic change in the world Victoria red Barb. I'm so excited for us to jump into this chat today. And the juicy question that is going to be the question that this podcast is known for is when was your last self-pleasure practice? And what did that look like for you? Thank you for asking. Literally my favorite question. And so the last of pleasure practice I did was a couple of days ago actually and it was really nurturing like really I felt like the the proud that I was really connected to was my wound space and that that particular time and it was really yeah, it was a lot of kind of manifesting of what I'm really wanting to bring through. So I was really connecting to that space in my body and just feeling there's the bigness of what we're actually creating here together and you know with the new paradigm intimacy Institute and and what that's going to look like going forward. So that's a pleasure was very nurturing and not so not so rousing as such but just like deeply connected to the all that's what I felt when I was connecting to that beautiful and it feels like it's all happening now like I feel like everyone is Feeling this at the moment like it's so amazing. We're recording this today. It's like we're coming into the end of the decade. It's like the last full moon of the year. It's just like people are feeling the change and it's like in this change. We've got all this new coming in and then the old falling away and I guess that's really what we're speaking to with this whole new paradigm concept, but we're kind of standing here is the pillar of what that concept looks like for relating and for sex and for love and so I guess we've all had To drop into what the new paradigm actually really means for you. Yeah boy. It's a big one. It's a yeah this topic of the new paradigm for me is like something that I started turning into like some years ago. So started to recognize that the way that my my grandparents had lived their lives and they had met each other when they were 15 years old and they saw their whole lives together and they did the whole having babies getting married living together. That was that journey and that was the few options that were sort of available to that their time and their life and for my parents is the same. My parents are also still together. They met each other when they were 16 years old, they've lived their lives together. They've done the house the babies the marriage and again those were the choices. That's what the that's what was laid on the table for them with what they want what they could have in their lifetime and then for me, there's like what I know when I came into this world I was like, okay well and I can see that I could do the babies and marriage and get a house. This thing and there's so many other options of what I can do. You know I had like there was just like this level of sort of thriving that seemed to have come in and our generation. We are able to sort of see that we can we can do whatever we want to do and we're not limited to just a small amount of choices and actually what I fit where I felt that left. And there's just certain circumstances. I kept saying that was like, okay, so it's not going to be as straightforward as what it was for my grandparents and film my parents is going to be for me because I have a lot more choices and a lot more options in my life and what I say so going to be simple. It's like it's almost like the world is getting more and more complex and I think a lot of people feel like it's getting more complicated but I definitely prefer the word complex. So I feel like I can be really simple in that complexity and as we as things start to speed up and things like to change more able to you know, Net with more people online, you know, like we're the last generation. I'm 20. I'm 28 and I'm the last generation that didn't grow up with the internet and internet pornography and all those pieces, you know, so like all the children that were born after this age. It's like they grew up with the internet on the at their fingertips texting their friends when they're you know, before they've even had their teen years, you know, there's these concepts of how things are speeding up and how things are just becoming more and more connected and more and more separator that same time by everything that's happening. In our world and for me, this is like this is created a space for us to move into a new paradigm and a paradigm of how we relate to one another how we relate to ourselves. We starting to see the importance of how like relating to ourselves affects every area of Our Lives, you know, it's common knowledge. Now that you know meditation is so needed it's common knowledge now that we must you know, that self-worth is the basis of being able to do anything that you want to do in your life. And so with this with these more options and this we're actually in a state of thriving and Of surviving now and so we're in the state of thriving a lot of the relationships. We had that were based on codependency and you know coming together to build a life because it was difficult to do that on your own is not so needed. You know, like I you know now have this disability to be in this world and live with who I want to live with and make the money that I want to make if I do the work on myself and this is what the new paradigm is calling us forward to it's like actually we get to shed all of that baggage all of the traumas. Everything that's stopped us before arriving and stop living in the conditioning. That's no longer serving as in today's age so that we can fry it and have this new paradigm intimacy, which is so abundant and so much fun that we could get to play in all of that that juiciness and all that like incredible connection to one another and to ourselves. Yes. I love it so much and we're the same age. So what I was really seeing there when you were saying that as we're kind of like straddling this old and new paradigm, it's like we were raised. By the old Paradigm and we're seeing the new and so this is how we get to be the leaders and the change makers that kind of decide how this this new paradigm plays out we get to create that so it's such an exciting time because it's just like we have this New Concept that we can just play with. So yeah, I think it's across the board. Right? It's like it's not just within the Realms of sexuality and relating. I feel like we're all creating this new paradigm across careers and health and everything of what we Save the world look like we live in and that really excites me. Mmm It's amazing And yeah, we see it. Like I like even in probably the last five years particular for me. It's like, oh, I don't have to work like this. Oh, I don't have to, you know live my life like this and now it's like I've stepped in with you like, oh, I don't have to like have relationships that are codependent and controlling and it's like wow because I really related to you in like when I thought about that marriage have kids thing that was kind of like this contraction. For me it was like, I don't know if I really want that then I don't know what I want. And so how is like creating that picture really come together for you when you're in this like, okay. We need to create something new. What was your journey of Discovery as to what that new really looked like. Yeah. I love that question. I love what you said as well about like the word marriage makes you feel contracted in your body. And when I've actually did a little exploring and two words like marriage and monogamy and polyamory and you know what it means to be Sells what it means to be in the true essence of our sexuality and what keeps coming forward for me is it's actually not it's really nothing to do with the label. You know, when I first, you know, my first relationship that I had was, you know, monogamous relationship and I was and I remember being 17 years old and reading this book called ethical slut which was really about open relating and polyamory and we lived in a really small town in the UK this time he and his partner and I remember asking him like, you know, so I feel like I want to do this polyamory thing when we date more than one. In person and was wearing from this like small British Town. It was very competitive at had like a lot of you know, hatred and and poverty and in this in this particular Town, it was just like that was like the last thing that this guy would ever want to do things like because it was such a safety thing to be in a partnership to be able to share the level of vulnerability and intimacy with more than just each other what to handle just felt like absolutely ludicrous. He was quite angry that I see them suggested this this wasn't a concept that he'd ever heard of. So we send them an ugly thing. That's a lot of stuff for a while. Then I had another relationship after that and then there was this weird phase for me with this next boyfriend where it was very much like we would have explorative sexual experiences and we would you know play in this realm of like, oh, well, you know we can do that because we don't want to be possessive and we all codependent and then there was this and then there was all this backlash that would come up from it because of the lack of conditioning that we had in our from our past of like what it means to be with other people what it means to be with Without just the two of us, you know, when is it okay to open that level of vulnerability to more than just the two people in the partnership. So we kind of Journey that and wasn't very successful and then I met my partner Danny and he and I and I'd never felt anything like this for anyone in my whole life. Like when I'm at this man, I was like wow like this is home. You know, I really like stepped into space of being like, okay. This is this is like the one feeling, you know, I was like this is this is everything like we get on and every level You know, we're so compatible and I just felt myself go into that feeling of like, oh no like but I know I know that in my Essence that it's like my truth will be that I'll want to have Adventure even though this is the best thing ever. And so I just wanted to tell him I was like, you know, I feel like if we're going to do this I want to do open one lady. And then this is what we started to really travel this this cause of what is open relating because we still had this desire to pair bond, you know, we still had this desire to get a house together to get a dog together and do all these pieces. is and so we really played in that in that realm of what would it really look like if we wanted to look our way rather than going? Okay. We need to be polyamorous only to be monogamous. It's like what would happen if we drop to those labels and to stepped into I was writing the script and there's started a whole chain of events me whenever started doing the sex coaching and all those pieces about relating as I started to go. Okay. So what if everybody was writing their own script? What if we all got to choose exactly how I relationships worked? We got to choose exactly what the rules are that relationship and stop having them fit into the way Society chooses us to have relations. Look and have ones that actually Serve the People and this is one of my major concepts of inside of relationships that I what I've seen is is almost like a see the Pyramid of being like the layers have been like the first level is like it's like people are putting their relationship first and then I put their partner second and then they put their cells third. So we're off around doing our lives being independent then we get into relationships and we all of a sudden have to put the relationship and that other person but for ourselves and we're taught that that's what love is is and I just sort of got this concept and I was like, oh what would actually happen if I stopped like worshipping this relationship and doing whatever we can to make this relationship work. It was absolutely making me unhappy a little time and I said to myself what would happen if I put myself first and then my partner and then our relationship and what I got from that was actually like oh this relationship is now like a foundation that's holding up me and my partner with inside of this and when we start to stop protecting the relationship and shot, To make a relationship work with time the relationship starts to work for us. Am I putting myself before my partner? I'm ultimately showing up in the most amount of love because my my theory is actually can't give love and this were giving up to ourselves. So any time I'm putting my partner before myself. I'm not actually showing up in a space of love. I'm showing up in a space of fear because of what I'm doing again. Is this attaching to the idea that I need to stay with this person and be with this person. So a part of this relating part for me was like, how do we create it so that We are. Really honoring the people inside of the relationship and having it so that they know that we are actually choosing them in every moment and when were choosing ourselves which ultimately showing up in a space of love for everybody. Mmm, I love it and this is really bringing in like all these concepts of self love and everything that's going mainstream at the moment and bringing it into relationships because we haven't really been taught this yet. And I know that that was really true for me. I've been on this like self-love and inner Journey with myself and then got into a relationship and it was like I just abandon myself to exactly follow that or Paradigm to put the relationship first and the love I had for this other person before me and I totally just like neglected everything I could. Dated within myself because I hadn't reconditioned my mind for that. So it's so incredibly powerful. Yeah. I'm curious to hear what it was that you realize wasn't working for you and the old Paradigm. Hmm the level of codependency. I feel it's like and also when you when we're sort of looking at love meaning I have to do everything for this other person in the relationship I think is the big thing that Was what I was feeling was like I love you so much. So we have to make this work and that's actually completely backwards to what we're shifting into because it's like what the reality should be is. I love you so much that I'm going to see that this isn't working and set you free. Yeah, that's a big piece of what I like to talk about as well as like there's a big difference between love and relating alignment, you know, so for me, like love is like that is like like unconditional In every moment like once once I love somebody it's just like it's just there all the time. It doesn't matter if they move to Canada. It doesn't matter if like, you know, my parents are in the UK. I don't stop loving them or relating to them just because they're over there. It's like just the space of how much time energy and resources that I get to spend with them and that to me is what relating alignment is just because I really love somebody deeply does not mean that I should spend all my time energy and resources and each individual that comes into my life friend family. Love our partner, like all these ideas of who these people will get to be in my life. I get to choose in every moment exactly how much time energy and resources I want to spend with that person. Not not actually take away or add to the love that I have them. Because they're very separate Concepts and I think actually when we start to see that, you know, we can have relating alignment and love as two separate things. We stopped collapsing the to to come together and we stopped thinking that because we love some more when we have to show up in a certain way for them or be with them or spend, you know time energy and resources that person. Yeah. Yeah, and it's having that level of self-awareness. How coming back to that mindset around I guess. How is this extending me right now and being able to communicate that to the other person so It sounds it's like incredible, but I know people are like struggling to move through this. So what what is the approach that people can really do to create this for themselves? Well, I think it's about Landing that frequency of love in our own body, right because you know, I you know, I like even you and I right so Lauren has been my assistant and I promoted her into the position of CEO of my company, and I've met her once right and this is this is beautiful to me because I feel deeply connected to you as an individual even though it's been one we've hung out once Now this is a beautiful friendship that we have is long side of the employee space that we work in and for me, it's not about like it. It starts to really have you realize that like it's really not about how much time you spend with somebody with with how much you can love them how much you care about them. And once we start to really unpack that on all the different layers, we can start to feel inside of our own body that like the amount of time we spend with someone is not how much we love them. And like this and what happens to me is this like I have a feeling of like like my parents live in the UK and my brother lives in the UK and I love them so dearly, you know, they're my family and I don't feel any less close to them. Even though we don't speak every day. We you know, we don't speak sometimes we don't speak for a couple of weeks, you know, and maybe sometimes more than a couple of weeks but my love and my relating to them is not dependent on how much time energy and resources are spent with them is they my family and that's exactly how I feel about them and what I see across the borders It was like a collapse again of what what what it means going to romantic partnership. So I think what's happening in this new plan of intimacy is like we're letting go of the concept of what it means to have the one and we're actually choosing what it means to have the one no, it's me. It's not about like not having babies or living together or getting their it it's just about like when we choose then we choose what those things mean to us, you know, everybody who raises children raises and completely differently everyone who's married doesn't marriage a little differently, but what we have is that like, oh it's not marriage if you're not living together or it's not you know what I mean? That's all these rules that are actually on. I said but they're so deeply ingrained into our psyches and when we let when we let go of that and start to feel the frequency of Love is in our own body, you know, I can feel the love. That's between me and my mom and my dad and my brother because it's there. It's in The Ether it's exist in my body as well. So there's an embodied feeling that I have of this frequency of love that goes across the board and it doesn't mean that I have to show up in a certain way or be a certain thing to show up and lock people and that is so liberating when I get that once I got that piece of myself. Mmm, beautiful and I feel like this is an amazing transition to really go into how self-pleasure and sexuality links to creating the new paradigm because what I felt coming through their nose like this is all coming back to being connected to yourself and being able to feel when love is moving through you and where love wants to lead you and also being able to shed away all of that guilt and shame and conditioning. So how is like all of that and all The wounds we have around sexuality impacting how we're shifting into the new paradigm. Who was this big one? I'm like take this in so many directions. So I mean from what I've just been showing so far. I guess the pieces are what I want people to hear is that there is an Essence that is that is within us and it's like a truth of who we really be and a lot of what we're speaking of is like the conditioning and those stories that we tell ourselves. As of like how love needs to be and how relating needs to be is really around the condition that we face in our life and what humans are decided things into look like and that is all based in identity. And a lot of identities is wrapped up in like not wanting to feel a certain feeling. I'm not old wanting to feel a certain another feeling. So the way that sacred sexuality Works me is that I am Connecting to the truth of my Essence and The more I've done that the more I've actually allowed this Sexual Energy to move my body. It's almost like allowed for the my soul to fully land in my body and be the louder voice than my fears and my my personality and who I think I am and who I want to be in the world like all that the ego and identity pieces have started to quieten down a little bit so that my soul can really come through and just deliver what it was here to do. And how that looks to me in the way of sacred sexuality in the way that I have an experience of Tantra and General in my body is to say that like for me like this this feeling is like I'm not pushing away fear or pain or anger or sadness and I'm also not attaching to pleasure and Bliss and happiness and joy, what I'm doing is just allowing all of those experiences to come into my body like connect to the aliveness of myself. And then just move through me. So I'm constantly having this feeling of like emptying out and that to me is like the the work of self-pleasure. It's like we're actually just coming coming like coming into our self-pleasure practice and I feel like this is the moment I have to explain that stuff pleasure is not masturbation for me. So masturbation for me is when we come and sit with the body and went and we are saying like Okay, I'm going to have arousal pleasure or an orgasm of this moment. Once that goal is achieved we get up and get on with the day. and for me self-pleasure is like I'm actually going to sit here and be With my body and I'm going to allow my body to speak to me. And when I allow my body to speak to me, I'm not chasing anything arousal pleasure. Desire Happiness. Joy a feeling a good feeling in general. I'm just observing. What is there and what wants to move? And then I'm just using sound breath and movement to connect to the aliveness of my being the truth of my Essence to come back to the truth of me. And the more time I spend actually being with the truth of who I am unless I can get impacted by the conditioning by the stories of who I want. I think people want me to be and I can start showing up as the as my truth and lose connection to what is right. What is wrong? What is good? What is bad and actually just be me and be the love that I'm supposed to be in this world. And that's the work of sacred sexuality. You know, it's like it's not even about sex. It's about aliveness. It's about how do we connect to that to the parts of us that are actually always awake and vibrating and moving. So we're not in the state of contraction. We're not in this state of survival were in this state of expansiveness and Spate of growing and the state of just moving and allowing a whole body to be awake to life. There's a such a big difference to being alive and living you know this That's really what I'm passionate about is like seeing a while with people are actually fully awake to living. Ah, wow, I feel fully like a week to living right now hearing that and it's just like are the the words like sex is the truth about Essence. It's like this work is so powerful and so transformational and I know we say this where like, you know sex is the deepest work you can do it changes all the areas of your life and people like, oh, yeah, I get it, you know sexuality. It's connected to your creative Center but like to actually really hear this and know That when we're connecting to the truth of our Essence, like that's how we just come forth into this world and bring ourselves and the truth of ourselves to everything that we do it's like incredible and so amazing and I guess like hearing that is so pure in itself, but we're still when people think of sacred sexuality work then navigating these like again old conditionings around that because I feel like in the survival in the old Paradigm. They want us to be afraid of T work so what do you see most commonly showing up with people that want to step into this but they're like oh, but I think it's like this or I think it's like that like, let's do a bit of myth-busting here. Yeah. It is is it is like or it like this journey for me has been really confronting because I because of I'm a small percentage of people in the world that see the real erotic innocence, you know, like the truth of like wow, this is an energy that we get to play with and we don't have to push it to the side. So hide it from anyone or feel dirty or shameful or guilty for experiencing that in our bodies. And you know, there is this concept of like, you know, when said it when when so so many people believe in one thing it tends to become a truth. So if more people that like it's more common that people believe that sex is shameful and tubu and wrong than it is for people to see like that, you know, even the word erotic innocence. It's kind of like this Paradox people don't really completely understand when I say it and that's really a lot of what we're facing. It's like when people step into puberty instead, Thirteen years. It's like there's a lot of all of those pieces just drop in like okay, this is not okay. I must hide this I must not be in this way. So a lot of the work that I do with people of what we do at The Institute new paradigm intimacy is bringing people back to their aliveness. And so they can actually be awakened all of themselves because anytime we resisting anything anytime we're shutting any feeling down the creating this is in our body literally disease. And so what we're dealing with a lot of time is just like that. Those feelings of contraction in the body and have been built up and builds up. And so what I'm doing if they could the condition with condition is just having people recognize what their beliefs are because everyone has different as well. So I can't tell you like this is the belief that everybody thinks because everyone has different culture different family life different conditionings that have that have stopped them from being in there for aliveness. And I mean a common one is like, you know, they're like four men for instance. Like they have they have a nature where they can feel the sexual energy and they've been taught that like, you know to get an erection public is embarrassing. It's not okay or that it's wrong or that it's disgusting or that you are creepy if you have that, so here's like that's like a whole list of conditioning that stop men when they have this experience of like feeling the Sexual Energy in their body that goes down towards their genitals and then they shut it down and they resist it. So they're creating contraction in the muscles, which is stopping their cells from vibrating which is stopping them from feeling alive. You heard the same thing for women. It's just like if a woman wants to express herself freely. Maybe she wants to wear a short skirt, or maybe she wants to have sex with you know, a man that she's just met or something. She then has to do with the conditioning of like is this going to make me a slut is this going to make me a bad person and that one of the things that I see with this word slot is it almost creates like no one ever says she's a start they say she's just a slut, you know, it's like it's like the if she if she owns her sexuality He then that's all she has she can be so she can't be him like a multi-dimensional person that has many different architectures inside of her. So we have all these these stories and ideas of like who we have to be in society to feel safe and to have belonging. So one of the major things that were coming up against this like that people can feel that they can have belonging and the the this issue of what we're seeing today is that like sexual energy has been contracted and repressing our bodies for so long that when it's now coming out it's actually coming out sideways. It's coming out a little bit distorted. So it's not feeling so much like erotic innocence anymore. It's feeling like people crossing each other's boundaries. It's people breaking consent. It's people, you know, we're seeing more and more like pedophilia. The news we're seeing more. I'm almost station violations that are happening all the time around sex because this energy is so not welcome in our society. So really what we're having is to face is as like a space where we're allowing that Distortion to come out and to be loved so that it can be worked through and that is why I like sick the work of sexuality is confronting right now because it's been shut down for so long and what we're doing at the new paradigm intimacy is creating a space because all the things that go wrong with sexuality like women up in an orgasm erectile dysfunction premature ejaculation, you know numbness pain during sex like all these things is because we're not connected to our sexual person. And because we have all this conditioning that's been forced upon us for so long. So really the new paradigm is a state of thriving when we release or this distortions around Sexual Energy and come back to a right against I love it. And this is like even sort of saying we need to create this safety for this to happen first. It's like with the practice of self-pleasure. That's when we're creating the safety for ourselves and we can do that in our own space and we can you know work through everything we need to go through it's just Like even how you said before we felt like we had to choose Black or White in ourselves. Like that was beer that has been one of the biggest things that has really dropped in for me through self-pleasure is that I actually get to be all of myself and narrow is no part of me. That's right or wrong and it's just it's so beautiful and so powerful and I feel like that practice in itself. It's not just helping us heal. Sexually, it's helping us move through so much more because there's just been such such a long period that we've been disconnected from our bodies and you know playing up in our minds as well. So how else do you see this work is really transforming people and healing people and I guess kind of changing the world in the way that we approach even therapy as well. Yeah, like one of the like is just been huge, you know, it's like the work of getting people into their bodies actually allows them to resolve their own traumas and which is just massive like when we stop Trying to bring everything into words and we actually can listen to them to the sensations that are happening in the body and the sensations have in the body become louder than the voices in our head. We become an estate of being able to be active instead of reactive. So like if we are faced with something external that is alarming or maybe someone shouting at you or someone has road rage with you instead of your body going into reaction and freaking out going into anxiety is like we become very aware of the heart rate going up. We become very aware of the contraction and our belly and we don't make these things a bad thing. We make we just we just have exceptions of what's happening in the body and then we get to choose how we want to act. So it's the same thing in relationships, right? There's a lot of people that are just constantly triggering each other and creating We like reactive energies inside of each other because of the polarities and it's so instead of you know, when we step into this space of being able to hear the sensations in the body through our self pleasure practice. We you know, we can start to see and we get to choose exactly how we want to show up in those relationships instead of being like this person's are shouting at me. I need to shout back then because I'm scared and I'm going into fight or flight we get to choose how I never system reacts I know there's a massive power in that and then you know and even if I could I could talk about this for hours but like another one of my favorite that I'm really like getting into the research around right now is when our when we were in our aliveness and our body is in the state of openness and all the cells in our body are vibrating and they're awake we actually are able to receive information a lot easier. So we try to digest things through the mind. We are trying to comprehend it on a bandwidth. That is very small. Which I'm going to actually judging everything and it's coming for this filter of this is why I'm wrong or okay, this makes sense because this is what happened and this house time in my life and we're trying to make sense of it through our life experience. And then when we start to have all the cells in the body that are awake when we start to receive information. We're no longer filtering it through this is right. This is wrong. This is good. This is bad. I don't you know where this is how I'm going to relate to this this information. We just actually absorb it into the body and we know that and this can happen from just like reading a book, you know, you're reading a book and you're in your ADI you're going to remember that book so much more because you've connected the feeling state to it. You've connected your Sensations to it and we're and or if you're like, you know learning a new skill or someone's playing an instrument in front of you. If you are receiving that with your whole body and your whole body is alive and you're not trying to take it through your mind. The rhythm of the melody is playing to the so the cells in your body and it's starting to actually connect you to then you are able to step in and play that instrument easier of risk retain that information you've read in that book a lot easier because your body is Wake and it's receiving and we don't have that in the mind. The mind is limited to what it can actually comprehend. It's one of the greatest tools we have and it's such a small part of as compared to that like the rest of the cells that we have in our body. So by doing this work, I stepping into self-pleasure lick everything in our life becomes easier. Like I've said, I've been running a research project now for the last six months on what is what happens when we start to work on sacred sexuality and the results that we're seeing as that people's careers are taking people's health is getting better people's relationships are getting better and not just to their Partners but also to themselves and finances like people's ability to work with the energy of money is like is changing. Because we start to stop relating to it as an energy and we start to relate it to make money is just an agreement. We're able just to relate to that agreement in a different way. So I'm just seeing like across the board how this is just transforming people's lives in every area. It's really exciting for me because we're just connecting to our wholeness and our potential and feeling that like actually feeling that makes it real rather than trying to just create it all up here and getting all those limiting beliefs and feeling like it's not possible. It's like I just love the the testimonials that come through for us for people dropping into this work and it they're just like, you know, I've got more out of three days of self pleasure. I do it out of like three years of therapy. It's just incredible what is possible through this? So I just love the Legacy that we're creating and that we're sharing and like just to kind of wrap up the conversation today because I know we've just brought in a whole lot of huge Concepts. What's kind of your vision for where you want to take the new paradigm and what you really want to create in the next like five ten years. I know it's a big one, but I just feel like Yeah, giving people that picture of how we're really going to recreate this new way will be really powerful. yeah, thank you for asking that it's been a question that's been on my mind a lot recently because and I kind of comes back to this this concept that I started to see as like when I first started doing the work and this is the same for a lot of people there was this concept that like life was happening to me that I just have no control cause everything was happening to me and I was just a just receiving whatever happened to me and then like I started to shift my mindset of it and I started to step into this place of like life is happening for me and it kind of sent me into this place of like manifesting everything and be able to do whatever I needed to do to see a certain result that I wanted to receive. And once I launch the school and like stepped into space of like seeing my work create change and like seeing all those testimonies that you spoke of I had another piece drop in for me that it was like it wasn't about me anymore about what I wanted and it's not about me achieving a goal having a certain thing happen on this planet in my lifetime. It really just stepped into going from you know, life is happening to me too. Laughs happening for me and now it's just like I am life. So when I fell into what I want to see happen and what I want to create it's like I just I'm going to keep showing up and cook and creating these spaces for people to explore themselves. And whatever comes of that is perfect because it's not for me to dictate because I just am life. And this is how it looks when I'm doing life as me. And I know that if I just keep showing up in my truth and my Essence and whatever wants to come through me in the way of creativity. Everything just is going to work itself out because there's nothing that needs to change and everything's changing. That makes sense. It's just like this is philosophy that's going to come to me is like I don't actually have to do anything in the world is perfect just as it is and the widest shop in my Essence and keep doing me and giving the end creating that in the world like everything is going to happen exactly how it needs to and I feel the more you're in that space. It's like the more open you are to transmitting this message to everyone else and they're receiving that strongly and it's just popping in and so we can all just be in this space together. It's amazing totally. So I do think there's more that we drive from this place of like this needs to happen. And if you know if this doesn't happen, it's actually just like a reflection of an internal War that's happening inside of us. It was just like once we start to resolve that internal War then we get to show up and it just things just occur. So in our external environment is just a reflection of our internal environment. Yeah, there's a powerful sorry. Yeah, just to wrap up then how can people kind of start this journey. I know that so many are kind of like feeling the call to step into leadership with this but if people are brand-new or kind of on this journey, what would you say is the next step and what are we kind of even offering at the moment with the new paradigm? Yeah so mean it's there is like many different journeys of people can take with this work and come in and say our life Anderson. You know, my first recommendation is that you start to create self-pleasure practice where you are not trying to have arousal or pleasure or orgasm. It's like just see what happens. If you start with your body for the 30 minutes and allowed for the energy to move and make sound breath and movement and see what happens put a playlist on WE many a playlist on my Spotify if anyone wants to check those out and yeah, so that's like the first recommendation just like I'd love everybody who listens this podcast is to be with themselves men and women And then things that we have to assist people on this journey and to connecting with the community and to be able to have them learn this and receive this information as we have the arrows fault, there are supports for people that just want to explore their sexuality and have major change in their career Health life relationships, you know, finances all those layers. It's like if you wanting to see transformation and change in those areas, the aerosol is our online program that it's an Interactive Learning portal that helps you connect to the depths of this work. And then for those who are on this Cutting Edge of becoming and step into leadership and they're feeling the cool and you know, actually it really doesn't matter. If you haven't done any of this work before it's like it's an inner calling that is so much louder than you know, the pieces of paper you might have or any of those things. So if you're feeling the call to work as a sequential graduate and we want to start working as a sex coach about help people connect to their aliveness and we do have the Institute of new paradigm intimacy. That is it's the sacred sexuality school that has you That is six months long and allows you to become a sex coach. So if that's if that's something that you're interested in just had to Victoria red.com and you can fill in the application there and one of my team will get in touch with you there. Yeah, and these are the safe spaces we're creating so we can let this new paradigm unfold so we will add all of those links all the information to this podcast in the notes. You can check that out but We will finish up there. We're going to have a whole lot of amazing guest speakers come on this podcast in the sacred sexuality space who are helping create this new paradigm, so I can't wait to see where this journey takes us and get this message out to the world. So thank you Victoria feel honored to be on this journey with you. Thank you. Thank you for having this is so fun.

Victoria Redbard is a somatic sexologist, counsellor, speaker, researcher, open relating expert, author of Transformation through Touch and founder of The Institute of New Paradigm Intimacy. Originally from the UK she has studied tantra and sexuality in many countries and now resides in the Gold Coast Australia helping people access flow states through tantric practices. Today she is creating worldwide cultural change through her sexuality school The Institute of New Paradigm Intimacy which offers deep learning into the psycho-social and somatic aspects of cutting edge sexuality education. Her mission is to see men and women step into their bodies and out of their heads and create more qualified, educated and empowered sex and relating coaches to provide the safe space needed for everyone to feel free. The Institute of New Paradigm Intimacy is a step towards seeing sexual health plans become just as common as mental health plans. In today’s episode we talk about Victoria’s journey to uncovering the new paradigm in her own life What is the new paradigm What is Self Pleasure How Self Pleasure and connecting to our bodies is core to creating the new paradigm Follow Victoria Redbard Instagram: @victoriaredbard Facebook: Victoria Redbard Somatic Sexologist www.victoriaredbard.com Apply for the Institute of New Paradigm Intimacy February 2020 intake Follow Lauren Renee @laurenreneeintimacy Facebook: Lauren Renee Intimacy

Welcome to the steroids podcast with your voice Dan the body builder from time. The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information that lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long now, let's get on with the podcast. Okay, welcome to the steroids podcast got some great questions today that I'm excited to answer for you guys. The first question is from Zach. He says bought and read your book enjoyed it. I can relate to You mentioned a lot of guys running long Esther test and being disappointed been doing lower dose ananth a cycles for a while and didn't really get the well-being or mental boost I had hoped for do you think switching to propionate testosterone propionate would help with this? Yeah, Zack, I definitely do think that switching to testosterone propionate would get you the effect that you're looking for the thing with testosterone and since 500 milligrams to stas Trump per week is recommended so much on the internet for being a first cycle for beginners. That is so widespread and that's what most people are doing because it's just conventional wisdom. It's spread around so much on the internet that You know if you were new to this and you did something else you'd be some kind of freak, you know, not really but you know, that's what probably people on the internet would think you were some kind of freak. I wouldn't it's disappointing. It's disappointing because the way that you have always imagined that being on steroids was going to be was that you imagined, you know, I'm going to be going to the gym and every workout. I'm going to be getting stronger. Anger and my muscles are going to be growing and I'm going to have extra energy and extra high sex drive and extra energy to take care of what I want to do in life and get done. What I want to do in life targeting Behavior where I go after I'll Target and hunt for my goals, you know, and so if you're not getting that and instead it's like you don't really even notice that you're on anything other than your more bloated. And you know slowly over time you get bigger and stronger in the gym. You might be a little more emotional to but other than that, you don't really get much from 500 milligrams per week of testosterone solo. And since that's what so many people are doing for their first Cycles. This is a really common way to felt to feel and you know during my cycle. I started by doing 600 milligrams of testosterone. Jerome per week. I front-loaded at the first week with 1200 milligrams. And then you know after about a month. I was like what the hell is this? I hadn't gained like any strength, you know, like a little bit just a little bit though, you know, it's been a month on steroids on 600 milligrams of testosterone per week. And I was not having the experience that I imagined I would so I was like man, this is this This fucking sucks because you know when I made that decision to get on steroids like it was not because I wanted to mess around. Okay, it's because I had serious goals and I wanted to work towards them now and so, you know, waiting a month and you know, being a bit bigger more bloated and you know a little bit stronger, you know, yeah, I broke my natural Plateau, right? But that was all it did and and I was pissed. Ha ha ha cuz I was just like you man, I had that I had that that Vision in my head of like this is what being on steroids is going to be like it's going to be like this crazy powerful experience. And you know what the majority of guys that huge majority of guys are not going to have that experience on 500 milligrams per week of testosterone. I met guys in Thailand guys would come over mid friends with a bunch of guys from Maidan, the bodybuilder from Thailand YouTube channel. So a bunch of guys came over to Thailand and some of them would do their first cycle while they're there with with me because you know, they'd have access to the pharmaceutical grade testosterone from the pharmacy made by Bayer. So they're like, yeah Now's the Time and they would be on 500 milligrams testosterone. They did have you know, they had already decided that they're going to do that before they came to Thailand and you know, they say, you know, you know, yeah, I'm going to do this. For like eight weeks or 10 weeks or something, right? And I'd be like I'd know what their goals were because they had talked to me and I'd be like, okay. Okay, and I would know that like they were going to be disappointed and then they would and they would always start adding adding stuff in after like four weeks. I think like the ball or or like Winstrol or tremble own. So that's what I did, you know after on my first cycle after four weeks after the first When I was saying, you know, I was bigger A Little Bit Stronger, you know had broke my natural plateau and I was a little bit bigger and also I was more bloated. I was like man this sucks. This is not what I was expecting. This is not what I signed up for and so then I was like screw this screw this I'm gonna take Tren and so I got on that Trend acetate and it took about three days man. I was taking a hundred milligrams every other day to start out. And you know what after about three days of that I started to see what I wanted. So, you know getting bigger stronger, you know, the look of my body changing the look of my physique the outline or the silhouette of my physique, you know, you can always tell the silhouette of a bodybuilder because a silhouette of a dude that's Juiced up, you know, he's got this look and I call it a tiered. Look T. IE are like tears like a steps on a Ladder or steps on stairs, you know it starts with this, you know, one one level is the the traps and then the next level is the Shelf under the traps where the clavicle is and then you see it go out again when it hits the shape go out again when it hits the shoulders and then it goes out again when it hits the triceps and then it goes out again when it hits the forearms, you know, like it's like a tears or steps on a staircase. That's what the the outline or the silhouette of a person. A bodybuilder looks like and So within three days of starting the trend ballon the trend acetate, you know, those those characteristic looks about being a bodybuilder started to appear on my physique. So that was the Cosmetic effect of steroids where it fills your body out in a certain way in a certain androgenic masculinizing way. It fills your muscles out and gives them that Mystic on steroids shape and a lot of guys they don't know what they can't tell what this looks like because they don't know what is natural and what's not but once you've used the steroids this becomes very obvious to you when because you experience this the first time you experience the Cosmetic effect of steroids where you start taking something like Dianabol or you start taking Super Draw or you start taking Trend ballon something that Really has a big Sledgehammer wham bam pow thank you man. Thank you, ma'am. Wham bam pow. Thank you, ma'am that kind of a physique that kind of a changed your physique that kind of an effect and it takes like two or three days that's most of the strongest morals and tremble and of course and you know, when that when that happens you see it happen right in front of your eyes and forever after that you are able to pick out people who are Steroids and not on steroids like see fake Natty and not fake Natty you're able to see this forevermore after you experience this for the first time. It's like this this knowledge of Good and Evil bro. This knowledge of Good and Evil you take a bite of the forbidden fruit the tremble on the Dianabol, you take a bite of that forbidden fruit and all of a sudden you are bestowed with the knowledge. Of Good and Evil. It's pretty crazy eyes. It's going to be interesting. You know, all these guys they always tell me you were right after I took it I could see like half the guys in my gym. We're on something but you just can't tell when your natural there's something about being natural where like there's this block because you've been fed lies all your life and you just don't know the difference, but then when your natural And you know your natural and then you take that strong Sledgehammer steroid for the first time and you see in the first few days that cosmetic effect where you get the outline of a bodybuilder like overnight takes about three days sometimes for days sometimes five days. It gives you that knowledge of Good and Evil and then, you know picking out people who are on steroids and who are not on steroids from then on. It's like looking at a blond and looking at a brunette, you know, it's so it's so easy. So you're going to take a bite of that fruit as far as Zacks question about being disappointed and asking like yeah, should I switch to testosterone propionate? Yeah, I would say definitely do that. So if you know testosterone propionate should be taken every day that It like gives a come up effect. So you take it in the morning and it gets your day like kicked off with an energetic start because it speaks about two hours later and then it stays elevated throughout the day and then on the second day, it drops off sharply and by the end of the third day, it's gone out of your system. So when you take like a testosterone propionate if you take 700 milligrams per week, usually it's dosed at 100 milligrams per milliliter. So you take 1 milliliter. Per week and that turns out to send sorry one milliliter per day and that turns out into 700 milligrams of testosterone propionate per week. And it's a great dosage and it's also a great feel good effect, if you've ever wanted to know or if you felt disappointed because you didn't know you know what it feels like to be on roids during your cycles of 500 milligrams of testosterone ante per week if you switch it to propionate and do Dosage of 700 milligrams per week one shot every day of 1 milliliter when you wake up. Okay, you'll know after that. You'll know what it feels like and get that feeling of being on roids and being Juiced up, right and actually testosterone propionate actually does give more of a like cosmetic effect to your physique a gives you more of that pumped-up look than testosterone and Aunt they does you know, it goes against it's broke. You know, it's a Bro Science thing that the testosterone progesterone. DNA and the testosterone and Aunt they have different fact effects, but man when you experience it for yourself, I don't know how anyone could say that the effects aren't different even though it's like unexplainable. We have theories about why you know, even though they're both testosterone. They're just connected to a different Ester molecule. You know, why would it be different? They're both testosterone in the blood once they get released from the Esther. Well, there's something about the speed at which it hits and that seems to affect the perceived effectiveness. Act of the drug what you experienced what you experienced mentally what but also what you experienced physically not to mention testosterone propionate is more potent per milliliter. So we've talked about this before but there's this thing called the Esther wait. Okay, so testosterone and ante is testosterone molecule plus an Anthem molecule. Okay, and then testosterone propionate is testosterone molecule plus propionate molecule. Okay, so there Is a hundred milligrams of that testosterone and ante or testosterone propionate? Okay, and in that 100 milligrams part of it is testosterone and then the other part is an ant date or the other part is propionate. Okay, so an ante weighs more than propionate an aunt that weighs about 30 milligrams per milliliter. So if you have a hundred milligrams of testosterone and an update, you've got 30 milligrams. Flee 30 milligrams of an ante and 70 milligrams of testosterone in the 100 milligrams per milliliter testosterone and end date but propionate is lighter Esther. It doesn't take up as much weight. So it's about 90% testosterone and 10% propionate. So in 100 milligrams per milliliter to stas Turon propionate you have 90 milligrams roughly of testosterone. Esther own and 10 milligrams of propionate so per milliliter per million per 100 milligrams testosterone propionate is about 15 percent stronger than testosterone and ant bait because there's more milliliters per 100 milligram. Sorry. There's a lot of Mill Ali and Milla GE words here. Okay, there's more milligrams per milliliter of testosterone in propionate Vibe and in a milligrams of propionate then there is a hundred milligrams of an amp date. Whoo got through it got through it a lot of tongue twisters in there started twisting up my tongue guys. Alright. Next question is from Pat. Yo Dan. I have a few more. How about what is the best size of syringes to use? What are the benefits of using insulin needles instead of using like 25 or 23 gauge? to give injections He also asks about expired testosterone. Okay, so we'll get well answer those questions. All right, so the the size of the syringe the best needle depth is 1 inch one and a half inches is a bit long that's like pretty freaking long and when you're going in the inch and a half, you're more likely to hit some kind of sensitive thing on the way in and I hate doing that. So if you have a 1 inch needle It's the Best of Both Worlds half inch is the bare minimum and you can only inject into lean areas of your body with a 1/2 inch needle and you can't you got to really make sure that that thing is buried and like pressed in like you're actually putting pressure to make sure that it's in there because if you don't do it deep enough it can spill out of the muscle the oil can spill out of the muscle and get into the subcutaneous fat and skin tissue and it just makes a mess. It's makes a big allergic reaction. And swelling and pink and redness. It's a freaking mess. So that's why you want to inject with a longer needle like a 1 inch and when you do the injection to you bury the needle all the way to the hilt. Okay, you don't leave part of it sticking out you bury it to the hill. Okay, no matter what needle length, you're using you always bury it to the hilt. So all the way in Okay, and then like my favorite gauge is 27 gauge because that one is still big enough to kind of get most oil through just barely though and it's pretty small. So it doesn't hurt. You know, 25 gauge doesn't really hurt too much either but 23 gauges kind of hurts like a bitch because that's kind of like a small straw. I like using small as small needles as I can the minimum thickness and I prefer 27 gauge, you know, you can even do it through a 29 gauge. So if you use a one milliliter syringe, there's better leverage pushing down the plunger. So it's easier to push steroid oil through a one milliliter syringe then it is through a three milliliter syringe. Because the barrel is thinner it's long. It's a more long and thin structure in a one milliliter syringe than the three milliliter syringe so has better leverage so you can push thicker oil through smaller needles with a one milliliter syringe then you can with a 3 milliliter syringe. So if you use that you can use a smaller needle to do your injections and then just do one milliliter injections as far as testosterone past. It's expiration date it slowly degrades over time after it reaches that expiration date then over the course of like a year or two. It starts degrading and the molecules start of the testosterone start breaking down and metabolizing. It won't be as potent the longer it is expired. Next question trt and always hungry. Is this normal? Also last blood test showed really low sex hormone-binding globulin shbg. Is that a good thing or should it not be so low greetings domion from Belgium. Okay, da Meehan, yeah trt makes you hungrier having higher testosterone levels you get hungrier steroids in general but testosterone especially is an appetite stimulant. They're known for that. They're known for producing that effect. They increase your muscle cell insulin sensitivity. And so your muscles actually take blood they take a sugar out of the bloodstream and other nutrients out of the bloodstream. More effectively and efficiently and just more of them are taken out of the blood stream because of that increase in muscle insulin sensitivity. So you're going to be going through your blood sugar quicker and you know on steroids you'll have more times that you feel desperate or frantic or just really anxious about eating because your blood sugar will drop if you're eating a lot of carbs, especially if you're eating a not clean food and you'll get these blood sugar crashes or swings like reactive hypoglycemia sometimes but sometimes it's just the muscle cells stealing all the sugar out of your blood stealing all the blood sugar and you know, you'll feel real desperate for food and need food bad fast. So it stimulates appetite just taking testosterone. For injection. So that's why your experiences that on TN T RT testosterone replacement therapy. That's completely absolutely expected. So if you have low shbg sex hormone-binding globulin, that's a good thing man. So sex hormone-binding globulin binds up the testosterone in the blood and makes it unable to attach the Androgen receptors and androgen receptors are the things that your muscle cells and all the cells throughout your body. Use in order to communicate to the nucleus and DNA of the cell and tell it to do what it does. Okay, and so Androgen androgens like testosterone or steroids in general they come in the blood and they attach to those receptors transmit a message and then the Androgen receptor transmits that message to the nucleus of the cell and then you get the effects of being on steroids. That's one of the that's the main way that steroids. Do their thing and work in the body? So if you have a high sex hormone-binding globulin shbg, then that would mean that you have less testosterone available in your blood to be able to go and do that attach to Androgen receptors. And if you have low shbg sex hormone-binding globulin, that's great because that means that you have not a lot of sex hormone-binding globulin in your blood. Stealing your testosterone from you and making it not be able to attach to Androgen receptors. So how to reduce sex hormone-binding globulin is taken steroids in general reduces sex hormone-binding globulin, but there's a few steroids that do it really effectively and potent Lee and those are 25 milligrams of winstrol per day 25 milligrams of probe. Ayran per day. Or 25 milligrams of Dianabol per day or Trend belong in general. Those steroids have studies done on them where they specifically reduce sex hormone-binding globulin more than other steroids and they did it in the studies at those dosages. So the next question is thoughts on running and of our without test. I'm a Muay Thai Fighter. So it's not ideal to bulk up but want to burn fat and get lean. Yeah, the thing about anavar is that it's not very strong. So you got to take a pretty high dosage of it, especially if you're not going to use testosterone really what you should do is you should take a little bit of testosterone. Okay, because when you take the anavar it's going to turn off your Testosterone because your body sees the anavar in your body. I know that there's some studies showing that natural testosterone is not completely suppressed on and of our but it's like the more you take it and the longer you take it the more your testosterone does shut off. Okay, so it's Progressive in nature. And you know, if you want to have the effects of the anavar, then you got to have the some testosterone in there. That's your natural body. These hormone you can't just be replacing the testosterone that you produce naturally with. Anavar. It doesn't work good like that. So if you are going to do that and do anavar only without test then you need to take like more than 60 milligrams per day and it needs to be really good quality like legit and of our or else you're going to be disappointed you're going to be like super disappointed. It's not going to do much for you. But the way that I would advise doing it. Would be to take one cc 250 milligrams of testosterone per week. That's not going to bulk you up and it's actually going to make you recover from your muy Thai workouts quicker and more effectively. You'll be stronger and more able to take on a high workload with your training because the testosterone and then the an of our would be like, you know throwing steroids on there. That's that's where you would start feeling like, you know real powerful is when you had that once you see a testosterone, Esther own to help you out and then you feel the Anna bar on top and it's going to be like damn this is really doing what I wanted to do. And so if you have legit and of our something like 40 or 50 milligrams on top of per day on top of 250 milligrams testosterone per week would be great and then just make sure that you have some anti estrogen tablets with you. So like buy one box of Arimidex or something you could You can buy one box of a rumor decks like 30 tablets or whatever. If you can find that and you need to find it if you're going to run the cycle because you might have some estrogen side effects from the testosterone. If you gonna run steroids in general, you got to have anti estrogen tablets on hand just in general guys, if you're going to take steroids, it's stupid to do it without having like some Arimidex or XMS stain or letrozole. You're just asking for trouble ha ha ha. All right. Next question David. It's from David. Hey, Dan. What are your thoughts on tamoxifen? Nova decks restrict the PCT only? Yeah, that's pretty much what I think Nova decks. It's not really the most healthy stuff and it also reduces your igf-1. So it makes the growth hormone that you naturally produce. Not work as well. And so it's just better like not take it and people use it as an anti estrogen on cycle to prevent from getting guy know but that's like pretty much all it does. It doesn't kill systemic estrogen the way that Arimidex or eggs a mess tin or letrozole does instead. It's just blocks it at the receptor. Okay, so and it blocks it the best and selectively that's why it's called a surmise. Active estrogen receptor modulator, it blocks it really well at the nipple. It's selectively blocks for that tissue. So, you know when you're running your cycle, it's better to just take a room at eggs or egg semester and or letrozole because that actually kills the estrogen and removes it from the body. So you don't get any estrogen side effects, you know, you remove that bad health problem having high estrogen in your body when you're using steroids with those anti-estrogen anti-roma tazed. Tablets AI but with the Nova decks you can use it for PCT and it's a good PCT drug like 20 to 40 milligrams per day. It's a good PCT drug to help get your balls working again and producing sperm and producing natural testosterone, but it also can be used to shrink gyno. So if you do have Dino and you have like a hard lump lump underneath your nipple, you know, that's what guy no is. Okay got no isn't so much like having some fat around there something you can just die at that off. But if you've actually got like a lump under your nipple and you can feel it and it feels like BBS or like frozen peas or something like that. I like feels textured and kind of rough. Like that's guy. No, okay, that's breast tissue development. And you know, everybody has a gland down there. Okay. So if you You'll something if you reach down there and you feel something behind your nipple, that's normal. That's not guy. No, okay, but if you feel like this, you know textured ball thing that is, you know, not small at all. You know, it doesn't it's not normal, you know, you'll know the difference. Okay, you'll know the difference and you know, that is gyno and that can be shrunk using Nova decks to starve it of its estrogen source. So what you can do is you stop using steroids, okay? So you go off steroids so that you're not having any estrogen being produced in your body. Okay, and then you start taking the AI the anti-estrogen like a room at X, you take that a normal dosage like a few times per week. And then you take the null the decks at like 40 milligrams per day like 20 to 40 milligrams or even 60 milligrams per day while you're doing that and you're not on steroids and it will shrink that little Like lump behind your nipple if you have it, it'll shrink that thing down starving it of estrogen and killing those bunch of those breast tissue cells. So that is another use for tamoxifen. Nova decks. Next question is from John. Hi, I like your YouTube videos. There's a lot of Truth in them that most people don't talk about or ignore one question. I had do steroids cause the immune system to crash or For it. Yeah in some ways they seem to make the immune system work better. But then in other ways they seem to make it not work good. So if you're taking like oral steroids because they have some liver stress to them. If you let go drinking or something, you'll usually have a pretty bad hangover and also you'll be susceptible to illness because like yeah. Obviously alcohol lowers your immune system and then when you combine that with your body already being under stress from the oral steroids and the liver stress, it can often times result in you like getting a cold or getting sick and it lingering for a long time. So generally getting drunk is like not something that you really want to do a lot on steroids in general and especially not on oral steroids because chances are you'll get sick from a lowered immune system. That generally though if you're in good health when you're on steroids, like you're mostly just using testosterone and you know, maybe you're using some growth hormone or maybe using you know, some anavar or some Primo Bolin or just light stuff that doesn't really, you know, affect your health much some Deca something like that, you know, even if it is in good dosages, but you're still going to have good blood work on that kind of stuff and you're still going to be healthy. And while you're using it and that actually seems to boost the immune system because other than when I do something stupid like like drinking or something like that, I'm not getting sick, you know, most steroid users. Don't get sick. They don't get sick unless they do something stupid or unless they're like harming their health with the steroids. They're taking when they're like abusing steroids or something and their health is having Then yes, the immune system is definitely Lord and they're more likely to contract stuff and tract illnesses. All right, next question. This one's also from a guy named John. Nope. The next question is from Elvish. I just find that my belly button pops out recently. I don't feel sick or painful but my friends advised me that reduce the dose of HGH because my growth hormone belly is quite big. I asked my coach, but he doesn't think it is not side effect of human growth hormone. Do I need to see a doctor? Well, so if your belly button popped out you have a hernia, okay? When your belly button pops out, you know, when you are a baby in the womb in your mother's womb, you know, you had an umbilical cord and it was attached where your belly button is. Okay, and that's how you like fed. And also how you got rid of your waist when you're developing. But as far as that umbilical cord, it had to go through you're developing stomach muscles so naturally Babies have a hole there. Okay, because that's where the umbilical cord was and that's so there's like a hole in the muscle there. But then after you, you know are born and the umbilical cord falls off then the muscle of the hole in the muscle closes up. Okay, but it's a weak point. It's a weak point for your whole life. And so when you are like under a lot of pressure in the gym doing stuff like squads, Deadlifts and rows, you know, like all those practical real-world strength type of exercises and you're putting all this tremendous pressure on your stomach muscles and then you're doing things that grow things like taking growth hormone. Well, you know that that weak point right there where your where your umbilical cord used to come through that weak point in your abdominal muscles, you know closed up though, but It's still a weak point in everyone. It may grow it may grow a little bit and you may develop a hernia. So I had a hernia. I had an umbilical hernia and you know what it did start about it started after I started using growth hormone. So, you know that that's the thing you see a lot of guys you see a lot of guys that are big get that hernia and part of it is just from growing bigger in general but I think growth hormone does contribute to that. I had to get surgery on mine because you know when you get a hernia there in your belly button starts popping out. That's your intestines protruding and it sucks having the hernia because I'd always be like pressing it in and like my finger would always be going to that spot pressing that hernia back in I was like, what the hell is this? So I did not like that. And so I went to a military doctor. in Thailand, and there's a picture on my Instagram of me stand in doing a little bicep pose with the 5qt tie nurses that were taking care of me in the hospital and they're all smiling and I have this this Blood this Blood collector bottle around my waist because there was a drain tube coming out of my stomach draining draining blood and that was that was because of my umbilical hernia, so That was not fun. I don't like to get hernias and Yeah, it's fixed. Now. There's a there's a patch there. Now. It's patched up. You can kind of see the patch because they they add a mesh to reinforce your belly button, you know funny thing about that was that I was in the hospital for three days and that was in Thailand that military hospital and they were you know had all those cute kind nurses and they little uniforms taking care of me and then you know, I was getting morphine around the clock. So I like felt frickin incredible. And you know what the whole thing only cost me about 550 dollars the whole experience including the operation in the surgery, you know, that was a lot different than it was in Colombia. I was at the best hospital one of the best hospitals in Colombia in South America when I was dealing with my leg and that's why they were able to give me such incredible treatment there once so that one was not cheap surgery like the tile and hernia surgery when I had the steroid leg infection and I got that taken care of in Colombia. It was many surgeries. It was for surgeries all in succession. Not just one surgery and it was at one of the best hospitals in South America when I went to the first Clinic When I first decided I got to get this taken care of the doctors at that clinic. They told me they couldn't treat me and then they sent me to this hospital that I ended up at. And so yeah that that surgeon there man. He said my he saved my life and I was really dependent on him. He was a Colombian man and man. He was a good man, and he took care of me and I was really dependent on that guy. So I was very very proud of his work. He did a great job patching me back together through a bunch of different operations and man. I will forever hold the respect in and like love for that guy like in my heart that surgeon that saved my life there. He really worked on me over a couple weeks of surgery after surgery. So that was freaking amazing. but so hernias, I mean if you get really big and strong and you're lifting, you know, once you're dead lift in you know over 500 pounds and you're squatting with, you know, if you're squatting below parallel, you know more than three plates or three-and-a-half plates for plates like that kind of comes with the territory, you know, you're you're probably going to have some kind of injury at some point if you're lifting so so heavy like that because like the human body just isn't meant to Handle those kinds of Weights. So it's really fun. And I mean I do it but it comes with risk. So hernias are something that happened there. They're not too uncommon they happen. All right. The next question is from Mad scientists. He said what do you think the Cycles Arnold and people from his era used to run? I want to get a physique like the guys from Arnold's era because I like the look and think it's healthier. Quickly, I'm just trying to get a somewhat classic-looking physique. Yeah, I like that to me too. I'm going for the same thing as you so with the cycles that they ran. You know, what's really cool. Is that Rick Drayson on YouTube. He was one of Arnold his training Partners back at Gold's Gym and he talks about what they used and what kind of diet they ate over there back at Gold's Gym Venice in the 60s and the 70s and so we get a lot of this information all obviously the dosages that he says is like Tome toned down because you know people don't talk about like ifbb Pro is and just people in general like that talked about on the open air like dosages that bodybuilders use or dosages that they use they don't say the real dosages that they use for one thing because they feel like well if people do this, you know, that could get them hurt. So it's like liability and then for another reason it's like not politically, correct. And it makes the bodybuilders look kind of like stupid or something because this is being huge like that requires drug abuse and like winning competitions and stuff like that it like requires drug abuse. So, you know, it's not a good look and it's not flattering and if you're heavily involved with that you've got a lot to lose. So that's why people don't talk about the dosages that that are correct. T' but you know what they used back then like the Arnold Arnold and those guys it was mostly d-ball like Dianabol is what they were building up like their muscles on Sergio Oliva and Larry Scott. Mr. Olympia Arnold, you know D ball was a big part of it. So they take Debo tablets throughout the day not once a day Take 5 milligram debolt tablets throughout the day and they'd usually take Eka something like 400 milligrams to a thousand milligrams of deck up per week. And because they knew that steroids orals work better with an injectable run in there. And the thing with Deca is that since they wouldn't use any testosterone they were just use the DECA and when you do that, it doesn't have a big effect on hair loss the way that testosterone does and also it allows you to still have like a sex drive and like functioning libido and stuff. So when Deca is paired with testosterone, then it starts giving you side effects because it does a bunch of weird stuff in your body when it's mixed with testosterone. So if you just do-deca alone, you're going to avoid a bunch of side effects. So basically what they would do is DECA and d-ball or Deca and Winstrol or deca. With a Noir and Arnold would get pre mobile. And so Arnold used pre mobile into especially around contest. He would use Prima Bolin from Europe him and Franco Colombo and whoever they shared their pre mobile and stash with so that's what they used back then and they also use cadaver growth hormone. They use this stuff called Chris Corman and what Crest Corman is is its pituitary glands from Human cadavers and they grind it up the pituitary gland and they they purify it into a growth hormone extract and it's got a bunch of different. It's not like the pure our DNA 191 amino acid growth hormone that is made today. It was a growth hormone extract from the pituitary gland and they'd inject people with this stuff and it was super super strong. So it was an experimental. Rug was mainly meant from kids who were like had genetic diseases to make them be growth hormone deficient and not grow but some of it got diverted to bodybuilders and also NFL football players like Lyle Alzado who had that brain disease with the prions that killed him and he was like, he was famous because he was an NFL player that said like steroids killed me and it wasn't steroids it. Actually cadaver Crest Corman human growth hormone that he was injecting while he was playing in the NFL in the 70s. That's what killed him because prions are misfolded proteins and sometimes people would have a disease called creutzfeldt-jakob disease and then the they would have the cadaver growth hormone that was contaminated with the with the bad prions from the Crutchfield Jakob disease and is contagious. So then when these people would inject themselves with those growth hormones the crest corpsman, Few people there was a little bit of contaminated crust corpsman, but it happened to you know, at least at least like a good a good little group of people and Lila Zeta was one of them goes and attacks your brain gives you a Crisfield Jakob disease in one year after Contracting that you die. So that's what happened to him. That's what killed him not steroids. Now, they make human growth hormone by our DNA recombinant DNA technology. So the way the growth hormone is made now is they use viruses to go and make genetic changes to E.coli bacteria. And then the E.coli bacteria starts producing the human growth hormone, and then they collect that and purify it. Haha. It's crazy. So the they actually genetically engineered the E.coli bacteria to produce human growth hormone. That's how Our DNA 191 amino acid pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone is Matt made these days. It's manufactured by genetically modified genetically engineered E.coli bacteria. It's great stuff. Very pure. All right. Next question juicer asks, what is the strongest sarm? Okay, the strongest sarm selected antigen receptor. Raju laters they're they're like an alternative to pro hormones. Okay, because some people you know, they'd be sad and like, oh my God, I wish that I was around did bodybuilding back when pro hormones weren't banned yet. And you know, if you feel like that, well, there are some arms out there and these are about as strongest pro hormones were maybe even a little bit stronger. So they're legal anabolics that actually work because selective Androgen receptor modulator it does it works on your body on your Antigen receptors the way that Nova decks works on female estrogen receptors. It's a molecule. That is not a steroid. Okay, it's not a hormone, but it's a molecule that still affects the receptors that it tricks The receptors The receptors think that this molecule this arm is a hormone and so they get activated and do their effects. Okay, that's house arms work some s23 and lgd 4033. You are the best muscle building saw arms and the strongest arms. Okay, as 23 gives a really strong effect where like 30 to 60 milligrams per day produces emote emotional outbursts, like pretty potent Road Roid Rage and pretty much everyone who takes it myself included like not Roid Rage. Okay, but I'm that's why I say emotional outbursts. But yeah and sir. Rising emotional outbursts also really intense sweating and the gym being all shiny in the gym and give it a good pump and like a good a good muscle boost like you feel it in the gym as 23 at 30 to 60 milligrams. It's strong stuff and then lgd 4033 at 10 15 20 milligrams and up per day like about 20 milligrams has about the same anabolic effect on my body. As about 250 milligrams of testosterone, so 250 milligrams of testosterone injection. I would compare the anabolic effect the muscle building effect to be the same as me taking lgd 4033 at 20 milligrams per day. So those are what I think are the strongest arms and check out bodybuilder in Thailand.com because I do written reviews on some storms on there. So look for my written reviews of 23 and lgd 4033 on bodybuilder in Thailand.com Okay, Duke asks, what are the best steroids for beginners? Okay. The best steroids for beginners are the ones where you're going to have the least other side effects of if than muscle building. Okay, and so steroids that produce estrogen or produce prolactin. Stuff like that produce female hormones that's going to give you side effects. And then you're going to have to start using drugs to Tinker with it and mess around with it and some more than others. So if you use high dosage testosterone, then you're going to get effects from having high dihydrotestosterone and high estrogen because those are two products of testosterone injections. They get made in the body out of the testosterone that you inject. Some of the testosterone is converted to estrogen Hydra testosterone those both give side effects, but those only really give much side effects. If you're taking more than like five hundred milligrams per week. So to make it even more simple, you know for beginners. They should use 250 milligrams of testosterone per week because then you know, if they have they're not going to have any DHT dihydrotestosterone issues at that dosage most likely not, you know, and those issues would normally be like Swollen prostate difficulty peeing or a weak pee stream or like deep cystic acne that was deep under the skin those would both be DHT side effects, but that would be really uncommon especially at that dosage at 250 milligrams per week. And then the other thing would be estrogen produced from the testosterone and you take care of that, you know, you might have no estrogen side effects at all on that message of testosterone, but if you did then you probably Need more than like one or two tablets of Arimidex or eczema stain or letrozole per week, you know, and you'd be able to easily take care of that way. If you ever felt any symptoms like itchy burning hot or sensitive nipples or anything like that. You know, when you feel that well just sometime during that day go take an anti estrogen tablet like in a room midex, you know, just take one tablet and it'll go away in a couple hours and that'll be that so one Cece. Sea of testosterone makes handling those kinds of side effects simple. Okay, and then the other thing that you do is you just take another anabolic steroid. So a muscle building steroid and you know one that is going to give you a cosmetic effect because you're going to want to get that, you know, really good workout feeling in the gym and you're going to want to see that immediate effect or change in your body and you know get that experience of being on steroids and feeling like you're on steroids. Being in the gym on steroids, you know, I know you want to feel that so, you know, you're not going to want to use an oral that is going to cause a lot more side effects and an oral is just easy to take to it. So it's easy for a beginner, you know for beginners. I always think that they should just take an oral steroid and stack that with one cc of testosterone. So, you know Winstrol and of our Toronto ball You know, even Super Draw those are going to be probably the easiest ones to take was super draw being a little bit more problematic just because it can be kind of toxic. It could affect your eyes or affect your your liver a little bit if you take it or if you're really sensitive to it and you take it at a high dosage or something like that or for more than five weeks, but those other ones win straw and of our oral Toronto ball, you know what you take those you take like 50 milligrams of any of those per day and you pair that with 250 milligrams of testosterone per week and you can have a great cycle and the only side effects are going to have is just like feeling great looking great and Getting great pumps in the gym and shit like that. If you do have any side effects, it will most likely just be a little bit of estrogen side effects and like some itchy burning nipples that you notice one day and then you just take that Arimidex tablet or eggs messed and tablet and it will go in a couple hours and you probably wouldn't experience any other side effects. Other than that or you know on a cycle like that, you know, you might get pumped throughout the day or you might get like pumps in your feet when you're walking. On Hills or something like that, but those Cycles are going to be relatively side-effect free. And now if you don't want to shut your natural testosterone production off when you do that, you know, you could take HCG at the same time. You take something like a thousand I use HCG per week while you took the steroids. So you'd split it up into two injections and take 500. I use twice per week and do that the whole time that you took the steroids and then your balls wouldn't shut off and they wouldn't shrink while you took the steroids and generally you'd want to do those. Cycles for like 8 to 10 weeks, you know, if you're worried about liver toxicity with the orals, you know, you'll know if you start getting tired or feeling kind of sick or like losing your appetite, you know that you're probably feeling toxic and so just take a break for two or three weeks and then you know, if that happened after like four weeks or something you could do something like four weeks with the orals and then two weeks off and then another four weeks and then that would end up being 10 weeks. And that would be a great for cycle for beginners. That's not going to have side effects. There's not going to be a lot of troubleshooting is not going to be any major side effects and there's not going to be a lot of Need for troubleshooting having problems. It's going to be simple easy and straightforward and I think that that's what the guys were beginners are looking for. They're looking for a big effect a nice bam and a nice quick change their body and quick change the way they feel when they're working out in the gym, you know get those Pumps get that experience of being on roids, but not have to do a bunch of troubleshooting messing around on the side effects or having a bunch of new stuff happened that they're not prepared for so that's that's what I think 250 milligrams of testosterone with Toronto ball and of our or with Winstrol at something like 50 milligrams per day for weeks on with the orals two weeks off. With the Orioles four weeks on with the Orioles take the testosterone for the whole 10 weeks. That's my opinion. 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When were looking at our supply chain, we're really trying to optimize our working capital. And then marry that with the way that we do our Revenue forecasting looking at the repeatability of what people are purchasing on their first time that they purchase what are most highly ranked repeat purchase items hello and welcome to another episode of the backbone a podcast exploring the Journey of finance and operations within tech company. I'm your host Siobhan data a trabant on Twitter. If this is your first episode welcome and thanks for checking it out for those returning listeners. I'm so glad you're here. I hope that you've subscribed rated and reviewed the show on whichever platform you're hearing this now, it would mean so much to me and help spread the stories of these amazing Finance leaders. We feature on the backbone joining me on this episode of the backbone as Katie sellers Director of Finance at Missouri, Missouri is a toronto-based direct to Consumer brand that empowers women to buy fine jewelry for themselves Katie. Receives the finance function and the jury this role has allowed her to marry her love for creativity and business. She began her career at Ernst & Young and the audit practice in Toronto and transition into serving Fortune 50 technology companies in the Bay Area in any wise accounting and transaction advisory practice. She has gone on to work at several high-performing technology and Innovation firms Katie specializes in establishing lean and agile teams and helping startups achieve scale. Her key strengths include a passion for improving operational effectiveness and her ability to use data-driven insights to create impactful change. Katie obtained her CPAC a designation while aye aye aye she also holds an honors business administration degree from the Richard Ivey School of Business at Western University. Here's Katie Director of Finance at Missouri. Hey, Katie, thanks for spending some time on the backbone. We've got lots to cover and so Was Dive Right In you started your career at ey in Toronto from there. You worked on each piece separation into to public companies in the Bay Area before moving back to Toronto to join coin Square as a director of fpn a your now the finance leader at Maggiore and emerging direct to Consumer brand. So talk to me about your journey into Tech and how it all started for you. I shoe bomb. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on the backbone. I'm excited to be Be here. So obviously by that introduction. I have a little bit of a non-traditional career path for a CA but really the way it started was I ended up in business school at Ivy and graduated there in 2012. I then joined Ernst & Young in Toronto and their core Assurance practice. And so for my first three years at ey I really was focused on serving large public clients not specifically in the Space but a lot of public clients so really exposed to financial reporting public filings and things like that when I qualified for my CA with ey in Toronto, I actually had the opportunity to join ey in San Francisco and was internal your recruited to work in the Bay Area and was lucky enough to work on a really interesting transaction in more of a transaction advisory and accounting advisory capacity. For Hewlett-Packard. And so at that time that really was my initial introduction to Tech and that was more really high-tech more of a legacy company. So there wasn't really the same aspects of you know, growing his house business and things like that. It was more around. How do you maintain and keep a large company agile, so that it really can compete with companies that are coming up of the startup environment that they're in and whether it's the Bay Area or Toronto. Or wherever else around the globe but that really was my first sort of introduction to Tech and while I was in San Francisco, I really was exposed to startups in general different ways that people were thinking about solving complex problems. And so when I decided that it was time to move back to Toronto in at the end of 2017, you know, Toronto is a very different City at that time than it was when I left in 2015 to go to SF there. It was a really big startup scene. There are interesting things happening specifically around blockchain Ai and just really Innovative companies. So when I came back to Toronto I decided I wanted to really take the leap of faith be a problem solver and join a start-up and so that's how I ended up at coin square and around that time as some people might remember that's really when there was the initial uptick in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and blockchain was a really Topic so I joined that startup really in their FP and a capacity and it was around the time where we were it was around 250 employees and the business was really looking to scale. So I was taking what I had learned really with my time at ey being in the Bay Area and really helping that company scale and put in place a lot of processes and procedures really to help them grow at the end of the day. I've always been a creative person. As well. So in high school, I did Art and art history all the way through grade 12. And so when I was picking my career path, my mom had sort of said to me, you know, are you sure that you want to go to business school? And I had always said yeah for sure I do but I think I've learned through my career that I am a much more creative person than I had initially thought I was so during my time at ey and then I coins where I'd always been drawn to projects or Times when I was working on things that were more creative in nature. I have side Instagram accounts on the side or I had sort of been really into interior design and things like that and I actually had the opportunity with my sister to do some work for Missouri in a social capacity earlier in 2018. So that was really my first introduction to the brand itself. And then you know, as I was sort of to think about who I am as a person and a professional when Jury was looking to hire their first in-house Finance hire as a director. I sort of thought to myself, you know, this is the perfect opportunity for me to bring together both my creative side and my business side and really join a company where I feel like I'm invested in the product and the brand and can help scale a company. That's just more attuned to me as a person. That's amazing. So thanks for that overview. Now tell me a little bit more about Missouri. What does the company do and what is it all about so measure Is a direct-to-consumer e-commerce brand that is really focused on the luxury find good jewelry market. So we target women between the ages of 25 to 35 for working professionals and really empowering them to make those purchases that may be traditionally before were made by a man or as a gift or by family and really empowering women to buy those luxury items. As for themselves and so we're able to do that by being a direct to Consumer brand really sourcing and producing all of the goods ourselves and cutting out the traditional middle man. We also have a retail as well as an e-commerce component. So we're trying to identify with our come customers in both a physical bricks and mortar location as well as online for people who might not be in some of our key markets like Toronto or New York or LA. Makes sense. And so unlike, you know typical software companies or SAS company's direct to Consumer Brands like Missouri that you mentioned have less predictable revenue streams. And so a customer that may have bought your product or a piece of jewelry last month may not make a repeat purchase for months. And so what challenges does this pose for you as a finance leader in things like forecasting? Yeah, so it is definitely a different business model. It'll than a lot of tech companies. You see that are really developing software applications. So instead of being really focused on monthly recurring Revenue. We are the way we forecast our business is we're looking at new versus repeat customers and really trying to understand what is the purchasing behavior of our customers themselves instead of locking them into a 12 or month by month contract. We forecast our business really In a cohort model so breaking our customers down into X number of people purchased in January of 2019 based on our the repeatability that we see in our customers and we're using historic data for that. We say okay at thousand people purchased in January 2 percent of people will repurchase from that cohort in any given month on a recurring basis, and we're for we forecast are recurring customer Revenue. You using that methodology, but it's really around new customer acquisition where we're making a lot of assumptions in terms of what our revenue is going to be. And so that's really striking a fine balance between marketing life cycle Marketing in terms of who our new customers where they going to come from. Are we pulling customers from Paid channels organic or we really have lien investing on Instagram or Facebook? Her Pinterest or any of those social channels to really Drive revenue and then also, you know looking at based on our repeat customers. What do we think is our average order size how many units per transaction generally do we see people purchasing and trying to forecast the business out that way but with any High Growth Company, obviously, there are things that are always changing different customer taste new product lines that were launching. So it really is something that we actively monitor on a weekly basis and then are always re forecasting based on how we see our customers behaving. Yeah. Well that makes a lot of sense a couple of things. I wanted to dig into, you know against unlike SAS companies imagery. I imagine you have to manage inventory levels and and being able to forecast demand like you mentioned through cohort analyses. How do you bend take that and determine how much inventory you need to maintain on? And when you're launching a new product for instance, how do you know how much of it to manufacture, you know, just given your predictability and forecasting abilities inventory is the largest asset we have on our balance sheet. So there is a large emphasis that we place on really understanding how our inventory is moving optimizing our supply chain. And that's really, you know, the core of how this business was built. Noren Maj our CEO. Yo and CEO of the co-founders. It was really built on having a almost a just-in-time supply chain where we could keep really low inventory levels and be really responsive to customer needs and not really investing in an overly large amount of our cash and supply chain. But as you can imagine as this company's grown and we're now processing tens of thousands of orders a month and so Maybe a couple hundred our supply chain has had to change dramatically. So we've we've had to invest in relationships with third-party manufacturers manufacturers that are overseas. And so instead of having maybe a two to three week turnaround on our inventory purchasing. We're now in more of a four to six or even six to eight week from when you place the purchase order to when you might receive the inventory when we're looking at our supply chain, we're really trying to optimize our working capital and then sort of marry that with the way that we do our Revenue forecasting looking at the repeatability of what people are purchasing on their first time that they purchase what are most highly ranked repeat purchase items and then really focusing on our Tier 1 product mix so that's drives eighty percent of our Revenue but might be 20% of our actual skus and really pays placing a high emphasis on the fact. That we never want to have stock-outs in our Tier 1 inventory and are actively managing to ensure that there is no lost sales opportunity there and so how big of a role or maybe not big at all does a data play into all of this data plays a huge role in our organization and I'm really happy to say that as a start-up. I think sometimes startups can get lost in the weeds and make decisions based on gut instead of data and where a very data-driven organization here. Everything is tracked everything feeds into looker which is our business intelligence tool. So we're very highly focused on data. We make all of our purchasing decisions and forecasts Based on data, like I was talking about new versus repeat as well as mixing in you know, what are our top Tier 1 products, but ultimately where we really want to get to is as you can imagine there's a margin of error that comes They're forecasting especially in this day and age when people's tastes are changing quite dramatically and with the number of skus that we have, you know, it's a lot of pressure that we place on our forecasting planning and Merchandising divisions here. So our ultimate goal really is to be able to integrate Ai and machine learning and I know those are buzzwords in the startup Community, but really to be able to leverage those Technologies to be able Able to actually facilitate our purchasing and planning functions at Missouri. So instead of having someone manually going through and calculating, you know, what's the inventory that's outside of our optimal purchasing schedule. What is inventory that we're going to sell out of before we have a chance to reorder really using machine learning to sort to train a program to understand the way that our inventory flows our customers purchase habits. And then actually having this as a system tell us when we need to be ordering inventory instead of relying on a human. Obviously, we'll still have a human reviewing and stress testing to make sure there's no issues or errors or really bad judgment calls, but at the end of the day we want to be enabled by technology and I think that's one interesting way that we're working towards having data play an even larger role in our organization. So, you know sticking with the data driven. Approach theme you mentioned some of these already but what are the key metrics that you're always looking to monitor as the finance leader of a direct consumer brand and then as a follow-up to that, you know, like you mentioned majority not only sells online but you have physical bricks and mortar locations at Toronto New York City and LA and so Are there specific metrics that you look at given the company's omni-channel approach versus just selling online or bricks and mortar definitely in terms of KP? Eyes at the Top Line a lot of them are similar to any traditional start-up. I mean we're very concerned around our cash burn that is something that instead of being invested really in head count. We do have large head count here as well. But a lot of it is going into capex and expanding our business and like you said, we do have a retail component as well as e-commerce. And we're investing log into our supply chain. So cash burn is something that we're looking at on a daily basis and then on a weekly basis doing sort of a flash report for our executive team to really see where that's sitting on the flip side of that. We're also really looking at accounts payable days and they pee since we have suppliers that we have relationships with, you know, we really want to make sure that we're Organizing the terms and not paying before we have to but then at the same time keeping our suppliers happy and making sure we're not going over any of our credit limit something that's probably quite different than a lot of startups in the tech Space is really looking at days and inventory and inventory turns so like a traditional jewelry company like a Tiffany's or Birds. They might be having an inventory Turn 1 to 1.5 times a year based. It on the way their supply chain works or more interested in having our inventory turns a lot faster than that. So anywhere between 7 to 10 times a year, that's our ultimate goal of how fast we want our inventory to be turning and then when you think about the consumer side of things, you know, we want to be looking at our revenue or average order size how many units per transaction our customers are transacting with and then really looking at the But our funnel, you know, when we're driving people to our website using marketing what their ultimate conversion right once people are getting to the website and then tracking them all the way through to their actual ultimate purchase. So even if someone's put things in their cart, what's their actual check out conversion? So those are some of the main things that we look at overall as a business as you said about the omni-channel approach bricks-and-mortar versus e-commerce we We are looking pretty heavily at the profitability of the retail stores themself, whenever we open a retail location. We were making the decision in our head. Is this a revenue driving location or is this a marketing expense So based on if you're going to a tier-one city like Toronto New York at La SF. Those are Tier 1 locations where we can expect our retail locations to be profitable versus if you're going somewhere like Boston or Charleston or Chicago based on the customer there? It might be more of a branding exercise. So really looking to see how we're going to evaluate this bricks and mortar location, but then still looking at you know, what's the conversion of people who walk through the door versus purchase. What's the net promoter score when people are leaving if we have any detractors really looking to see you know, what could have made their experience more positive but at the end of the day we want to be looking at both. with bricks and mortar any e-commerce separately, but then also taking a holistic approach and evaluating our business as a whole and so I want to dig into the two types of bricks and mortar strategies that you mentioned one being a revenue-generating location and another being a marketing or brand awareness the type of location the three that you mentioned I guess Toronto New York and LA are all revenue-generating in the revenue generator category if you were to have Let's say a location more for brand awareness. How does that play into the amount of inventory that you keep at those locations would you keep less because it's more of a, you know have more skews so you can showcase the brand or is there a different approach to a revenue-generating bricks and mortar store versus a marketing or brand awareness store? Yeah. So in terms of Revenue generating really we're really focused on converting people. You who are walking through the store doors. So Toronto is actually our number one converting location for customers and we think that's because it's not really in a in a high foot traffic area. So it's actually up on College closer to Ossington area versus our store in New York is on Spring Street. So people might not become going into the New York store with the intention of a trip to go and visit Missouri. It might be there a passerby And they've heard of our name so they come in to check us out but really at the end of the day with our Revenue driving stores were really focused on conversion when people are walking through the door. So that's really, you know, having product on the floor that they can see and feel and try on having educated stylist on the floor who can show people what things might work with their skin tone or complexion or what type of Lifestyle they lead whether they're super active and Going to the gym, or if they just like something that they're going to be able to wear to work. So that really in the revenue driving side of things, you know, having the product having things that people can try on and really focusing on converting but then if we're thinking about something that's more of a branding exercise, we don't care as much in terms of having our full skew set in those locations so we might be focused on Take care one products that people can try on and then potentially order online later and really focused on more of an experience. So people can identify with the brand and remember it and become a customer down the line. So we might do things like are piercing parties where you can come to Missouri. We have a set of studs where you can get pierced by a piercer and then that's an experience in a relationship. You're building with the brand or we might do things like yoga in the park or do a workout class in the city where we showcase our 14 karat jewelry that won't tarnish or rust while you're working out. So it's really just dependent on you know, building that experience and fostering the relationship with the customer. So ultimately they will purchase but in the Tier 1 markets really focusing on conversion of one there in the stores themselves, that's that's incredible. One last question here before we move into our quickfire round and that is you know, you've had some very unique roles within Finance after leaving Professional Services both at coin square and now at Missouri and so in your opinion, what is the importance of the finance function add an emerging direct consumer company and then as a follow-up what makes a great Finance leader in companies like this. I think the name of your podcast actually says it all I really do think that the finance department is The really solid backbone of any organization, especially as a start-up. I did not pay you to say that was just want to make that clear. Yes startups, whether there's a spaced or direct to Consumer base. I think a lot of these companies start with a Founder co-founders with really great ideas were super Scrappy and able to maybe raise a little bit of seed round and really get things going and get some traction. I don't necessarily think that The finance function is the first thing they're thinking about when they're building their business. So having the opportunity as a finance leader to come into one of these companies really are being relied upon to ensure the financial tells and longevity of the organization the same way any CFO is at a larger public company, right at the end of the day. Your ultimate concern is that the company is a going concern and there's not going to be any cash flow issues. The investors and VC's are going to be happy and are going to get the return they're going to want to give you that series C or D and ultimately stand by you to an ultimate exit or IPO. So I think the finance function is is ultimately critical for the success of a lot of these organizations and I think the more that the co-founders are willing to work with the finance team and see them as business partners to the Benny and not just the police were telling people like hey, you can't be spending that much money on a trip or don't go to that conference. That's never what I want to be in my finance function. I want to be the person that someone comes to you and says hey, how do I make a better decision around this while optimizing the capital that we have? You know, what are some I guess characteristics or traits of because you know, these types of rules aren't for everyone and like you mentioned you kind of followed a non-traditional path. Path into this. What would you say are some things that make a great Finance leader for companies like this because it is in a traditional company. I think the first thing is you genuinely need to be interested in the business and what they're doing. So for me coming to measure you like I said earlier on I am a very creative person in my spare time, even when I was working at ey or coin Square, I was always doing creative things. On the side like doing interior design for my condo or taking creative photos to put on Instagram or even working with Brands like Missouri to show my friends. Hey, this is a cool brand that is doing something that you'd be interested in. So for me, this was a natural fit because it was sort of my hobby outside of work and I think especially when you're joining a start-up, you know, you have to be Scrappy. You have to be a problem. Um solver you have to be hardworking and it's way more motivating to be those things when you're actually interested in the product and the outcome of the company itself. So definitely you need to be invested in the company the product and the brand I think the second thing is you really have to be a problem solver and you yourself as a finance leader have to have a backbone. You can't just let the sales department. Mentor operations or anyone really come and bulldoze you because like I said, you are the one who is ensuring that Financial Health of the organization. So being the person to speak up in meetings and say like hey has anyone really thought about the cost benefit or the ROI of doing and what really is the purpose that we're spending this money for because ultimately you do want an Roi on the capital that you're spending. And so do your investors so really being a problem solver speaking up for things that you think need to be challenged I think Those are two things when when you are joining a start-up as a finance leader definitely characteristics that you need to have that makes a ton of sense. So what I'd like to do now is jump into our quickfire round. And so the way this works so I'll ask you a couple of questions. You have 10 to 15 seconds to respond to each has that sound Perfect. All right. So what is your go-to online resource for all things startup Finance or growth finance-related? This one's actually my network and I'm part of a startup Finance lock group in Toronto. And it's definitely my go-to resource to ask people questions meet with people if they've gone through some where things actually a coffee with someone this morning from that group and learn some great stuff. So don't underestimate your network when you're in startups nice. And what's your favorite productivity hack. Mine is a paper to do list where I write down all my top priorities on a daily basis and just cross them off as I go. I find it very satisfying to see things getting crossed off and it just helps that my intention for the day nice of her. That one before it's a popular one. What's one thing you don't leave the office before finishing. I always check my calendar for the next day and plan exactly what the Cadence of the day is going to look like. I know a lot of things get derailed, but I want to have a good understanding of when do I need to get into the office? Do I need to prep something beforehand? What are any external meetings that I might have what are things I can move around if something comes up but having a solid understanding of what my day. Is going to look like and know what more I can Flex it when I used to that makes sense. And what's one Tech. Jargon that makes you cringe. I actually had to refrain from using this word during the podcast ecosystem. I feel like this word is just over nine right now. Everything's an ecosystem or part of an ecosystem. I mean, it has its time and place but right now I'm just a little bit over it. I'm fair enough. Yeah, that's not where it does get tossed around quite a bit. What's the best advice you've received so far in your career? I think one of the best things that I've heard recently and this is something that I think I really learned at. square and something that I really value and want to ensure we maintain at Missouri is conflict and debate at work are some of the greatest things that you can have and it is actually one of the best ways that you can assess the health of your executive team and the health of your overall organization, if people aren't running into conflict or having debates around key decisions that need to be made it means there's no Oh by in people don't trust each other and you're likely not making the best decisions so really fostering that environment of trust and making sure that people are able to challenge things so the company ends up making the best decision. Wow, that's great advice for sure. Well, thank you so much Katie. I really appreciate your time and it's been a pleasure chatting with you about measure e the unique opportunities and challenges that a direct to Consumer brand faces that unlike its Kind of I guess the more traditional stats companies face and really learning about Missouri's omni-channel approach to retail whether it be bricks and mortar stores or e-commerce how you think about the kpis and metrics that are important in both settings as the finance leader. So I really enjoyed this chat and thank you so much for your time Katie. Thanks so much for having me on awesome. Thanks. Take care. Hi. That wraps up another episode of the backbone and chat with Katie at Missouri is the first Finance leader of a direct to Consumer brand that I've had on this show. If you enjoyed the show with Katie learning about the differences between d2c Brands and traditional SAS companies leave a rating or review on whichever platform. You're enjoying the show while you're here check out some of the other awesome Finance leaders featured on the backbone from companies, like ecobee wealth simple league and many more. Thank you for listening all the way through and joining me. On this journey inside Finance at a tech company until next time. Take care.

Katie Sellers, Director of Finance at Mejuri I chat with Katie about: Her journey into tech after starting her career at EY and then you working on HP’s separation into 2 public companies in the Bay Area. From there Katie’s move back to Toronto to join Coinsquare as the Director of FP&A, before taking on her current role as the finance leader at Mejuri an emerging direct to consumer brand. Mejuri — what does the company do and what is it all about. The challenges of forecasting unpredictable revenue streams as a direct to consumer brand, including how to think about customer acquisition cost and measuring lifetime value of the customer. Mejuri’s data driven approach for forecasting demand and managing inventory levels and the key metrics she’s always monitoring as the finance leader of an omnichannel DTC brand. The importance of the finance function at emerging direct to consumer companies and what makes a great finance leader in companies like this. We close things off with a quickfire round: Your go to online resource for all things startup finance related Your favourite productivity hack Tech jargon that makes you cringe The best advise you’ve received One thing you don’t leave the office before finishing --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/backbone/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/backbone/support

What's up, everybody? Here? We are in our new home down here in TriBeCa New York City. I'm with my partner in law enforcement Bill Cannon. What's up, buddy? What up? We have a phenomenal guest here. Today. We're very honored to have retired. NYPD Captain went on to be head of security at JetBlue. What's up, Loretta King High. Good, how are you? Okay, you look very nice. Thank you. We're happy to have you glad she's up from the North Country. She is in the North Pole. Now. Where do you live up in the Adirondacks? Oh, really? Okay, that must be nice. It is that with the Finger Lakes are south of that but Yep. They're all right. I have heard a lot about the Finger Lakes doing some hunting for your lunch and dinner. No. No, I don't like it up there. Why would you go all the way up there for my husband lives up there? Oh that's important for good reason. She probably left a little bit closer. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not gonna live on Long Island. You can stay up there. Well, I did that for a while but depends on how long you want to be married when you met stay married forever Let Him Live up here and you can see up there and you can stay down here. You guys are very for everything. I can almost guarantee you that so where did you grow up? Well, I want no part of Long Island. Got a lot of people from Long Island bill, I grew up in the town clock or place up Lisa. That's by isn't it by Garden City? Yeah close. All right. So yeah. About that's a nice neighborhood car place, right? Yeah, pretty nice neighborhood Phyllis. You got brothers and sisters I do okay two sisters and a brother. All righty. And what was what was that like going up over there? Did you like it? Yeah. Yeah, I liked growing up there nice Town small town. Lots of friends. Still sane touch. What would you go to high school or Place High School? That was a tough one. I'll Place High School. Huh? No one else wanted to law enforcement your family. Other than you right now it would you brothers and sisters do my brother's contractor and my two sisters worked in grocery stores. They were union workers. Well, yeah. So how many of you will be like so this three kids three kids for parents trapped in like a 10 bedroom house, right? No, I wish and I grew up in the story. So we rented so because we want to hear from somebody from car place. I know that you know what they did a little better than us Long Island. What why I became a cop then I mean, you know, I'm sure that you did you go to college I did and then I came on the job and see. You got a Bachelor's degree. Well, I got a Bachelor's degree after I was on a job. I went into one of the program. Yes. So did that ihad neck? You must have been classmates that from well, they had so many classes because I met John Kelly was that it was at the Academy, right? Yeah, the Marist master's degree in public administration. Did you have family on the job? No, no family on the so what is it come from that you want to become a cop? Well, I was I mean you're beautiful now, so just imagine going back. You know a couple of years you probably just young hot blond. I was wherewhere did what did you watch? What was that policewoman the TV show and say I want to do that. Yeah. No, actually I was working as a waitress. Okay Roosevelt racetrack. I work there at night. I went to NASA Community College during the day and my dad came home and he worked in family court and he's wanting me to take a civil service job. I test I should say and like I really had no interest in it, but you know I said sure I'll take the test and this is great for I could see you being a court officer more because you're indoors is more contained. It's a little safer. I'm sure your father probably meant he wanted you to do that. Right? We're not he wanted me to take the test for the experience just in case I wanted a civil service job down the road, but I'm saying once you start taking these civil service test if I'm your dad, I'm hoping you go to criminal. I mean, we work in the court system rather than NYPD because the court system. It's more contained those. You're not out in the street Every Day In Harm's Way the weather court system, you know, listen, I'm sure there's stuff happens in court, but nothing like being a cop. Yeah I'm saying. Yeah never really articulated that but you know, just took the first test I came along which was the NYPD. Well, I did what you do. Come on 81. Wow. Yeah. That wasn't well the 82 is the 3000. Yeah 81 about a thousand. I think it was it was somewhat large as well and you were in the South you started out in the open so I started out. In Queens and Issue 13, Queens Marine for a while. Yeah. I know you love those Queens marine and how did you get into Manhattan? You hooked up? Well, I was there for a while in Queens did Patrol with jumping the gun again? Oh boy easy bro. Walk if it doesn't suit what you want to do because we will go for on a road right now. There's things I want to know is this so you so you take the that's the only test that you took the police. Test the NYPD they take Natural disease takes off it I actually did take Nasser at one point when I was already on this job and I didn't take it. I did the collagen they did wow, and I did not and I got to tell you something. I don't regret that. I know you don't regret it. But your bank account does he? Well, you know what life isn't all about your bank account. So I don't regret that at all you listen, if you could do the same job and being less Harm's Way, I Know it because he rose through the ranks, but they still at that time to though. They didn't get paid that much more. I don't even realize I remember because with a big pay discrepancy came when when we got zeros the three zeros from Giuliani that was when they jumped way ahead of us, but the state troopers NASA was Suffolk and NYPD. They were kind of sort of in the same ballpark at the time so I can understand why you might have want and then plus the nypd's are more exciting job. Yeah, definitely more exciting. I had a couple of years on this job. Anyway, and I just Feel it had a lot more opportunities to do things molded for once you get promoted and just to go into all sorts of different details larger department. And all right. So now back to where we were bill was NSU 13 equal. What was it? Yeah. Yeah. We had F to you. So, where was that where they put you in the 113 Precinct? Alright, so that was that was pretty busy back then, right? Yeah Rock and rolling over there to 113. Yeah. Yeah, and we came up with which did you go right to patrol? I went to the 109 Precinct. That was so you do. So you did your energy over there? Yeah, and then he went to the 109 which is Asian Now, isn't it? Annoying? It's all Asians. Yeah, flusha. Yeah. Well, she's like Asia Minor basic. Yeah. No, it's listen. If you if you want to go down to Main Street and have some of the best Chinese food that you've had. That's the place to go, you know other than Chinatown here in New York City and some would argue that some of the restaurants back and flushing. That's our are better than the ones downtown. But that's where I wound up buying a house over there and flush. Would you think of working then? It was a nice place. I haven't been back there in years, but it was a nice place to work. Did you do steady Patrol was like, yeah. Well, it was the vines Nights Watch short back then. Yeah, what'd you think of that? Probably what most people think it was rough. Oh you like 20 years old now 22 Yeah. I was 20 22 23. Oh my God young. Yeah, and he was had the blonde hair. Did your head like fly out the radio call it stop. The boss is trying to snatch you up as a driver right away. I drove some bosses, you know at all. That's funny. I eventually started working, you know with one person in particular. Hmm partner were yeah because you know, the boss is on this job with the see the pretty blond. He's you know, what I'm gonna do. I'll keep you safe drive me. Am I right or wrong? Well, they were a couple You know women who were in the precinct as well. Yeah, so it was a competition whose hair flew out the now they were all but you had to put your hair back, right? Yeah it was and it was back then it was like the hair had to go back pull back now, you'll see hats this High over someone's head. I saw I saw somebody took a picture of a female you can't I couldn't tell the front of it. It could have very easily been a male disguises. Who knows but that the dread locks were down to their this person's a ankle and they were purple and it was a little like a at sitting all the way and up but the hair was so big and not only could be used as a weapon against you but it's just it would have never flown back. Then you could even paying your fingernails back that right? I don't even remember there was a lot of rules. Yeah, that was way way more rules. Your hair was supposed to conform to the general shape of your head, right? That's right. Uh, yeah. Did you enjoy Patrol? Yeah. Some Patrol for probably about a year liked it and then went to occb right away. Well, yeah, I did Undercover work. There was some deal on the car no contacts by going undercover. Yeah. Wow. Wow, tell us about that. What was that like, so I was in Queen psychotics and did Undercover work, you know, we had the teams we go out to buy and bus stop where were you doing this because to throw you in the product but I mean if they're going to throw you in the objects to go buy drugs in the 113 103 to go buy drugs, then you must have downplayed the looks a little bit got a yeah put some grease on your face and third your nails. Yeah a lot down in the rockaways a lot in like show us you're not that is I mean, they're not for the truck when you look yeah. Well, oh we did a lot of things, you know back then lighten the 103 Precinct would you do did a lot on the Lower East Side number saying? Oh, did you have a An act that you did to buy the drugs. Well, for example on the Lower East Side when we would go in there, you know, they had all the shooting galleries. That was like an open-air drug flea markets. Yeah back in the day. Wait a minute you you were in Narcotics and queens. Oh, yeah, but they used to fly us and do these operations. They made town of Queens to go buy drugs in Manhattan to oh, yeah and in a okay, well this way right and it was a constant change and bring bronze people down and whatever days a week they were going Do that. Yeah. So my always drug of choice when you were pretending to be a drug addict. It depended where I was like in in King Park in Queens, you know, we were buying weed on the Lower East Side. We would be buying heroin or cocaine change your mannerisms, depending on the drug. Yeah and how I dressed as well. So for example, I always wear overalls when I was on the Lower East Side because they wanted to see track marks and I would always tell my shut up and my legs and we Go and get makeup and like put it on our veins and they would somebody got the stuff from the hospital. I forget what it was but you put it on it and it kind of makes your skin dry up and crack almost like Wax right so that you could at least show it looks like it had track marks and it worked and everybody did it but I always wore overalls and it worked for me and I typically work with a partner down there when you have by and we did you have a bag of potato chips with your picture you have in the munchies. No not Uh, Sara Lee know that I know that was pretty scary of beer can with them or 40 with them. Yeah put dirt on your face start anything Nails you can you like the overalls you felt comfortable in that? Yeah. Yeah, and I have my hair. Yeah sneakers. Yeah, I was dressed down. I mean I certainly wasn't go no makeup on. Yeah, you have a get forced to go inside. No not forth. But there's many times that we did have to go inside because I've heard it from a lot of undercover. Guys say oh I put a gun to your head you get inside and now I never had that happen Lots on the compass told me that happened. I was like that's got to be the whole paycheck for that year was worth that incident. Yeah. No, but very often especially on the Lower East Side. We had to go inside they would bring in a couple people at a time and close the door and I want to have to buy couple tiny work five days a week that was it five days a week. You went out to two days a week it depended, you know, it depended on the team's it depending where you were working. You know, it depended who was you know, the the team you know who was working that day. Maybe they were in court, you know, there was a lot of things that I mean, do you ever not score get refused? Yeah what happens then nothing just walk away you go back get you a cop. I've had people I had one person definitely. Tell me they thought I was a cop and you know, I was able to kind of talk my way out of it and say no I wasn't, you know, sometimes you were able to buy and they would sell tea anyway, and now the time how long did it take for you to be good at it where you felt like comfortable there because I'm sure you would very nervous in the beginning, right? Yeah, it's always nervous when you go out there. I don't know exactly how long it took till I had to comfort level where I would go out. But yeah, and there was always a field team who was real close by as well, so you Enough to run they were great to marry signing and was familiar to you though. I mean, I'm not saying that you did drugs as youth but you know, obviously you grew up in Long Island and car place and you might have been exposed. Maybe you had neighbors or friends that did drugs that you picked up a little bit of those but was that a completely unfamiliar world to you or did you know, you know a little bit of well, certainly the world of what I saw on the Lower East Side was nothing that I would everyone right? Yeah, nothing. I was exposed to All and what was even more interesting was like or like the Wall Street crowd that was there, you know, especially in the daytime. That's it. So, you know, you will see sure whatever they were buying, you know coming in and suits and everything like that. So what you're saying is that the people that worked on Wall Street were coming in here during the day and buying drugs there were definitely people in suits that were what we want to like the most which was Yeah the night she'll talk about the day. It was not now, right? No. No, it's yeah, it's unbelievable gentrified. Yeah, I just got word gentrified. Yeah, tell us about the shooting galleries. I was think those are interesting. It's an interesting combination of words. Yeah. Yeah that it puts in your head. For those of you who aren't from New York City our audience. It's always nice to Pig paint a little picture for them. So the shooting galleries were inside a building. Yeah. Yeah, so they were all burnt. Out abandoned, you know, no windows most of them you would go inside, you know, you will have to walk up a flight of stairs. Maybe every other step was missing out of it. I remember one time going up with a guy. I work with the two of us. We're going in one in front of the other and I thought that was kind of water dripping, you know feeling drops coming down, you know look up and you know, some guys, you know taking a piss. Yeah, so really considered as funny and it wasn't funny, but it's the truth. Yeah, don't tell me it's raining when you press is saying if I piss on me and tell me it's raining. Yeah, this guy's really we just went up and did what we had to do you expect it to do the drugs in that area. Like no, I never had that that's a dangerous thing to yeah, I'm sure. You need to talk you were headed. Well, I would think they teach you in undercover school is if you have to do it to save your life do it, right. Yeah, I would have done that every day. I do it I didn't want to do it. This guy's the worst narcotics officer everything and then you have to go to the hospital right to get checked. Yeah, but I think from when I went in there and like 1982, I think they've probably come a long way with training and all sorts of other things like that. That's why officer hoping that killed. Yeah, he hesitated. They said do what was that in the to for Precinct in 97 night Chris that bucyk got killed he went up to make a buy and it was him and another guy named Mike your mind and on the cover and they all look I sell them on and they said do the drugs right here and he hesitated nigga a huge gun fight and hope and guy killed. I was horrible. I worked in the to for creasing today. Luckily that didn't happen to you, right, you know forced to use right then no and just for civilian audience on MOS. Once you get the drugs missions complete you go, but you bring it back. What do you go meet up again with your team, right? Yeah, and then you guys do all you guys share the drugs together, right you doing together. Now you bring it back about your them. Do you buy record? Yeah, and they do you start blocking all the time. How do you You identify because you don't know the name of the game. Yeah, how's he identified? We used to identify them by your JD name. Maybe it was you know, Yankee cap or whatever. It was. Wonderful. What are you making the arrest right then make it the next day. No, typically then it would be after the undercover walled off the set. You know, you buy the drugs you come back you re communicate with the team, you know, JD, you know Yankee cap, you know standing on you know this corner, you know, it's very What if you want to make several bodies from the same guy? Well, then they would leave them out and identify them, you know based on what they were wearing or perhaps, you know, you could speak to them and get a street name or something from them video or pictures of from a distance. Maybe. Yeah, but you know obviously didn't have the camera technology equipment that they did you ever move up. I mean, how do you move up in there to start doing like bigger? Wait? Yeah, they had major cases as well. They were someone else. You know what? I did on those typically they considered as the arm. So I would go with this one undercover in particular like in the 106 Precinct. He was buying some way from people and I was like the girlfriend. Yeah. Well the ankh, so I really didn't do the interaction. I was just kind of there dressed up and whatever. Is there a ghost out on the street sometimes? Yeah, the audience would have ghost this. Yeah, it's somebody who's just watching you, you know watching you where you were. Lock in place like the Lower East Side. It's so easy. They just blend in. Nobody knows who they are. As a matter of fact, there were times where the ghosts officers would be five feet away, you know, really really close but then there were other places you go that it's just really not possible. It's very very difficult active out of that. I did make detective and once I'm a detective I eventually went to like the bureau. Okay. So so you got promoted to detective of any what you've got one of the best Squad. Yes, that's Sucks, right? No, I did. I loved the detect that that was what did you go to Midtown North? Oh my God for hook. Yeah, but maybe Ruth Chris. No, I'll tell you when I first got there Mickey Mantle's restaurant right on Central Park South somebody broke into the Safe, and I don't know still about eight or ten thousand dollars, whatever it was. So there was this old time detective they are, you know, may he rest in peace? His name was Harry Bridge would so I was like a date or I caught the case and I said, you know Harry let's go over here and you know, so I can interview these people and he says no always go with dinner time and I never forgot that that's right. You know, that is such a gem. It's such a beautiful. Thing to and it's the these Little Gems at the veteran cop strapped on you guys are such a beautiful little tidbit of information Little Gems that the veteran cop strapped on you. They just made the job so much better man. Yeah, there were some great great squads working great. Detectives. Yeah, I worked in the to 400 to 6 in the squad and as way too many cases, I didn't eat too many cases. But then again I came out of warrants. I was having a blast I don't warrants and I didn't want to leave Squad but I don't want to put down the squad work. It's meaningful and it's what the backbone of the detective Bureau. It's all job. You know, it's that's why you know, that's why not putting it down. I'm just saying it's very difficult. It's a lot of work the case is never stop coming in Midtown North then did you did you guys have problems with the Westies? He's like, no not really it no audience. That's the Irish mob that yeah worked in the movie business we and I'm trying to give his name for the stone. Well, we had a guy in he was in the rip actually who lived over there and grew up over there. So he knew a lot of those layers and I know he was very involved but I was embarrassed reading that book about those guys because they were supposed to do a hit for the Italian mob and they said we're going out to do it and what we got drunk. Forgot about it. It's good, huh? I respect a so, when did you take the Sergeant's test? Because you were a cap get I figure out what year it was. Honestly when you were in the squad obviously, right? Yeah, and actually at some point I transferred out to the 105 Squad and closer to home. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea on kids at the time. So that's where I got promoted out of the 105 Squad. That was a good squat. Yeah. It's very far as I see back in the day. There were a lot of drive-by shootings. I don't know they did. Did a lot of drug murders back then? Yep, Kennedy airport, right? Yeah, but commute Wiseman have you couldn't get seven months away Closer to My Island? Yeah. So you're in the squad in the 105 and then for some reason even though you got two young kids you decide to take the Sergeant's test. How many kids you have at that time you're too young kids, right? And he and you decide to take the Sergeant's test. Right? Right, and he passed it with which one the best of that. I went back to Manhattan South. You are hooked 105 to the South. I can't wait to hear some more of these nothing. You mentioned that I don't want to say this anything to do with your looks. I've nothing to do with your brother. You're going to the 3/2 knowing that but yet when I got up there I had a great time. Male Burly cops wondering what happened to your career and why you went up in the seven seven and seven five you gave up your seat for the red. Thanks there man. That's great though, but you listen you did the work though. We were in the squad had no matter how you look you gotta catch the cases, you know, you might have some cops helping you with your cases, but you still got your name on it. So CEO of ourselves as Lieutenant. Well, not yet. She still in the world. No, I was In the 105 and I made Sergeant. Okay went back to patrol. Yeah. I came back to the South. Yeah and the South and then I grew up on duty and then I went to the burrow. I went to borrow as a training storage intent and stay. Well we're doing right now is folks. We're highlighting the best places to work in the United States As Told To Us by the really ready King every place that she has mentioned his people that are places where people died of like they wish they could work there. So you went back to Manhattan South as a sergeant now and how is that? Yeah fun spent Back Time. laughter, man Amen, then went over to the borough and Manhattan Southborough know that south of someplace. It is 200. It's a great place lots of Yelps tourists and parades. It was just it was just a real fun place to work. Yeah. I mean, there's always a party going on in Midtown Manhattan. There's always some some details some Pro. It's always something. I had a question. I wanted to ask you those funny to what I forgot. I'm sure it will come back. I hope so. To be nice. Sometimes I drive home with them and that's the ones that we want to get once. I'm on my way home, but Oh, yeah, so you're in Midtown South your when do you how many hours do they do? They give you a day to study when he worked there. I used to go to all the classes. Yeah, it just happened to be conveniently Midtown South. That's what they taught him. Right? Well now they know but you probably went to what you're gonna change a for the classic pts. Yeah. I went to one of those schools. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. How long did you spend? This is as a sergeant before he became Lieutenant. Oh boy a couple of years. Maybe like four. I'm not quite sure and yeah, then I took the Lieutenant's test. Would you wind up there? Let me wait. Let me guess what's left? It will look nice places left and I went back to I went to Internal Affairs for two years. Oh, yeah, that's like You had to go right that was the thing. So I went kidnapped and so I went to Queens IB and I was there and you were the whiskers coming out of your face. And then I would you think working in IAB. Did you feel bad going working there? Did you feel like you would be able to do your job there the well, you don't want no part of the what you think about. Well, I just wanted to go back to the detective Bureau. I knew that I had to be there. I mean everybody who had any sort of investigative background. That's great. Yeah got grabbed and went in there and I actually work with you know, everybody was kind of in the same boat. Everybody was looking to go back to you know, the robbers got to wherever they came from. Well a lot of people say that the the bosses that weren't there when they're because like Bill mentioned they got kidnapped. Yeah, you know, you gotta go if you put it if you put in for any type of detail to get out of Patrol you're going to have To go through I be first but if you were there is a cop that's a little different right trying to get your shoe leather showed you or like a volunteer and you know, your motives are questioned by most police. Yeah. Yeah. So so you did you two years and I be after you became a lieutenant. And where'd you where'd you end up a lieutenant? I they asked me to be the Personnel officer of I be so I did that down on Hudson Street and I did that for probably two years and then got promoted. Years two years is what you have to do. I owe you. I made Captain Adam. I am being yeah pretty quickly. They try to keep you and your men captain. No and I would not have stayed and I was asked to be the XO of dcpi at the time that's in the CPI for our audience. That doesn't know what that is. Basically you working hand in hand with with the news media, right? Correct. What do you prepare like the briefings that are going to go out to the news? Cases. Yeah, a lot of that a lot of people who were standing up in front of the news media, you know, we'd help you no, right talking points and you know different details to set up walked into the bullets, which became the yeah, then it became a pi W the preliminary investigative work sheet, which was like doing a term paper at work, right? I used to write them and in which the police commission will actually use that to brief the Press. I would see exactly what I wrote. Coming out of his mouth. Well, when you're a boss like a sergeant, especially in the squad, you're going to have to give an update to the to the higher up bosses about what what happened with this case, right and out of those come the bullets, right? Yes that you mentioned and then of the bullets you take those and you give those to PC does his briefing with the bullet. Yeah, really? Yeah, but they were very helpful, you know, especially for the people who were speaking to the Press probably weren't even at the scene right? So they were very happy. Helpful, as you know to what happened, you know with timelines. I'm trying to get somebody to do bullets for his here because every other person that we has a book and I want to read that's right, right. I was forced to read it. What are those things called those things in high school that used to get Kiki Chicho that those those votes Cliff Notes. Yeah, but you know, the other thing I would I what I objected to was that the police department had this posture of Telling the Press everything even to the extent that at home the case, they actually didn't give a shit, you know, and I remember one time we had a case where this guy murdered this 90 World Holocaust Survivor, and we got them all identified and will give any going out and getting them that morning and detective from DCP dcpi calls me and he says what's going on with the case I go we got all the perps I did. We're going to get him he goes. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, because what's their names? I go. I'm not giving you their names this little dcpi pussy. Hence the phone to the inspector who gets on the phone and start screaming at me. Who the fuck are you? Not at that so I lied right on the scene of so proud of myself. So Chief Matarazzo told me not to tell you till we get them and he was like you have him call you I'm gonna have the chief call you yet. They're kind of the phone. We went out got them Colin all three of them. Then I was like, this isn't his their names as we needed statements. Yeah, so if they put their names in the paper, they're Going to lawyer up, you know what I mean? So yeah, but that was the policy of the department which was is probably still to this day but it's a bit policy. Yeah, so I would say are for two months and I need to be like 9/11 hit. Oh, wow, so that kind of changed the whole, you know dynamics of you know, what was happening on a day-to-day they are, you know, it was the beginning different you're not going to be covering any more crimes. Well one crime that you going to be talking about very much dealing, you know with the Press. He's coming in from all over the country and most of the world basically. Yeah, it was it was really tough times, you know for everybody, you know for everybody but yeah, so it seems so long ago now, doesn't it? It really does. Are you still a lieutenant? It's point. No, you were captain and ECPI. Yes. All right. What else have well, how much time do you have on right now? I'm retired. No I'm saying we don't have 60 years on this. Is whatever but when you when you were working dcpi, it was over 20 years. I think I was the only person promoted Captain with over 20 years on the job. Really? Yeah, it was definitely over 20 years. That was figure that the ballpark figure for somebody to be made Captain is probably around their 20th year, but you're saying something different so it's usually might be between the 15th and 20th year and right. Well, there's a case structure that makes it not worth it. Right. What is the pay structure and full play again? Oh, I think most people would say that if they could Rejoice Lieutenant with the money that's much better. Yeah, that's like the home run but for some fans out there Lieutenant that gets What's called the money Squad Commander pay makes Captain's pay and can make over time. Yeah, and sometimes can get 600 hours a year, which makes them make Chiefs pay, right? But Captain is the if you desire to go up higher, obviously, you got to become a Captain before you become a deputy inspector before you become a respected and Achieve. So if you have a Operations have gone higher in the job. Then you got to say a little bit. You're going to have to say no to that the short end money and you're in for the Long Haul but you decided you wanted to be a captain. And now you working in dcpi. How long how long did you spend that's a captain six months. That was it. And then he retired no, no the bureau I did I had the opportunity to go to Manhattan detectives. That's what I love to do is you met me when you that's right. I went she was my captain Oh, yeah not right away. I went to my getaway to Manhattan South detect. That's right. She she went bigger with the old. It's unbelievable the South got all the money all the prestige all the attention all the overtime and the north. We had DNA all over all suits, you know, however, I so I went to the South and I had the second division which was the sixth and Ninth 13th and the 10th and at some point Chief a he asks basically told me I need to go to Manhattan what Bobby I have, you know was retiring Anna Captain yeah sure. No problem. So I go up and I take the six division the 2 3 2 5 2 8 3 Tails of rock and place it absolutely was it was great place to work. So we said to me don't worry. I'll get you back to the South as soon as I can, you know to go to get it I go up there and I'm sorry about that and you keep it in the top side and I loved it. I had a great time any calls me at some point says yeah, you know, I'll bring back my hat and say why did you love it? I said I'm not I'm just a little bit about the difference between the job and why? Why'd you does that the first of all I want to say Manhattan South detect us was great. It was awesome. It's wonderful. I don't know. It's like when you find the one right I just loved being there is a suits in the north. Yeah, that's true. Well you found but I just loved being there. It was so busy even like comstat, even though you know because it's got, you know, we were called. Like all the time. We were always prepared Squad Commander School great Billy that the homicide cried cried. My office was in Special Victims dad place was wrong and it was so good that they had special victims in 3280 broad. Yeah, they moved. I have no idea when they moved after I left but it was always a great exchange of information. We covered their jobs, they covered with us, you know, and then they move those like it to PSA 5. Oh my God, what a mistake that was I was going on at that point. Yeah. But anyway, that's that's how I wound. End up back in the detective Bureau and I'll stay there for a couple of years until I retired how many years did you do in total on the job 25 and a half? Wow, that's good. I didn't realize you two dummies. I thought you'd like it 2020. Actually, I did 24 and a half but I had like over a year time in time took me to 25 and a half years for audience. Captain's don't get paid cash overtime back then and so they put could lay like a year of time and when they retired they could make the Diego a year post, right so you could just get paid and then your retirement date doesn't start for a year. It's pretty so when you retire did you have a plan to do something else? So you decide you know what? I'm just going to chill out watch my kids grow up help them out. Well your plan. I I did have a plan. I retired in June of 2005 in August of 2004. I was going to Florida and that was back when you could get a third. $89 flight on check flew right? But that was the year that they had four massive hurricanes coming through East Coast West Coast. It was destroying everything. So I went on I was like, well, I'm not going in the middle of all these hurricanes. And for the first time I saw this work here tab so I go in and I click on it and it's something home by myself canceling a flight and I look through a neces job for a Security Supervisor JFK airport. So I'm reading through it and I'm like, yeah. I've had all the credentials. I've got the education. I got nothing to do sitting here by myself. What is that a night and I apply for it. So at one point in ask for a resume and like I never had a resume in my whole life. I had a civil service job. So I went on resume.com and I made myself a resume. This is fascinating to me and I hit the send button. So the next day I got the thank you, you know, we'll hold it for six months and you have to attach a picture like a headshot with it. It they've got thousands whatever. So about two months later. I work nights. I worked at five-to-one. It's right. It's about twelve o'clock in the afternoon my home phone rings, which normally I wouldn't even answer and I pick it up and they say it's already out there. And normally I would say no she's not here, but I cycle who's this? And she said who she was from Shuffle I said, well, this is all right. Anyway, long story short, we want to come in for an interview. So I said yeah fine. So I made arrangements. I went in for an interview. They said would be 45 minutes. I was there for two and a half hours. Yes, they said they didn't want me for that job, but they would just budgeting in for a manager for investigations job, which was really more up my alley. That's great. So they said after the New Year. We're going to post it by employment law. You got a poster jobs. We want you to put in for it. So I did and I wound up getting the job you so resume for my resume. Yep same resume. It's my go-to recipe. Yeah, that's great. So so tell us about that. Your new job description what it entailed it's basically entailed, you know, investigating, you know, things between customers and you know, internal external investigations along with the working with the TSA and those collaborative relationships and I remember coming back when I when I decided I was going to take the job and I was telling she Fahey I was retiring and I was saying about the job. He's like, what are they investigating the Allied some like I really don't know exactly. But boy, did I find out? What did what do they invest a lot of things both? Like I said internal and external look like thinking like six times on the planes, right? All Airlines get that kind of stuff. What kind of sex crimes on planes? Oh, yeah this sexually open shortly. Yeah, I've heard about those you fall asleep in the guy puts his hand in your lap. Yeah. That's very always you. Yeah, just you know a soul Salt, you know online on the aircraft to be DPS on those planes you get a lot EVPs on the planes, right? Yeah, all the airlines do as well. Yeah, you get you know, what we would I know we were talking about it before we also have a rule we should talk about stutter want to talk about on the air but I told you about JetBlue's animal policy drives me out of my fucking mind. I'm allergic to cats. What is that walk on this little we keep he's got a cat in her lap. You know, I'm like what the Is this I grabbed the students like I'm allergic to cats. Why is this fucking girl got a cat? No. Oh that's a service animal. You should throw her in that service and and then another lady has a dog and it's the stupidest issued. You should have saw last week. Someone had a little horse and I'm like, what is this the fucking this the arc can have someone think two of every animal what happens when somebody has an allergy like that a legit allergy against Cuts. I mean, I know you're catering to one person, but you could be just as big as loudmouth as what do they separate you? Yeah, but that's luckily. I was excited was back but I saw your little psycho with a cat. I was like waiting this is this is where you got to check Billet you will complaining about a cat that was ten rows back. I'm badly look to the cat's I even get that that danger in the air and I start sneezing. What the fuck is. What is Gander dander? Oh and just when you take a gander at all, right? So are you saying is that even though the cat? We have ten rows you wouldn't even have known the cat was there unless you walk past it unless he was like damn open. Everybody stays gets one of those service animal cards because they have anxiety right? You said pretty easy to get right? Well, what they have to do is they have to have proof of you know, requiring a service cycle. Well, it's service animal for whatever reason and you know, they have to carry that paperwork with them. And you know, there's a lot going on in DC. I am not involved. I was not involved with Kind of stuff. There's a lot going on in DC with all the airlines again. Yeah, we're really looking more into you know, the service animals and you know how they're going to move forward with that because what basically gives rights to one person takes the rights away from another sometimes most of the time. Obviously they look to accommodate everybody. Like you said you'd so talking about huge sheepdog. Yeah, how much are you in charge of right now though? Like are you just in charge of JFK or this is a nationwide job. So well, I retired from JetBlue in August. I spent I'm sorry y-you were working for July was working for JetBlue. Yeah. So I oversaw all the invest security investigations for the company. Wow, so whether they were, you know, domestic or International No, could you do that seems looking up so much work. Yeah, I oversaw their gold and russet stewardess. No, was it worth it financially money-wise. Were they paying you that much? I I really enjoy geofflove. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. She's no that's a yes folks sounds like a six-figure high six-figure. Yeah. I did like we had a command center almost like the wheel called a blue watch and 24/7 operation. Mostly retired Lauren this is really important. So what I'm going to ask you now, I don't want to cut you off. But before we go any further, do you still have buddy passes? Yeah gonna use your 10 years ago when I was performing in colleges, but also Nationwide and international to man. That's amazing. Like what where does the JetBlue's mostly Flora has a great reputation jablow as far as if you're going to people love that Airline. Well, she was behind some of the friendly law enforcement stuff. You want to touch upon it? Those about that. Yeah, so I told Billy so it was just about five years ago December 20th the two officers in Brooklyn, you know who are sad? Yeah. I know one of them worked with us. Yeah and within 15 minutes of me seeing that on the news, I got a email message and I had said Loretta what can we do to help and it was from our CEO Robin Hayes. And so I knew I knew what our capabilities were and obviously, you know, what was going to work with other internal stakeholders and help the families of the officers in whatever we could do. Well the next day I get a call from our reservations out in Salt Lake and they said the rhetta. We just got these cops from San Diego. They want to know if they will fly them for free to come to the funeral. And I said she said what should we tell them and I'm like thinking and I'm like why can't we do that? So I said, well, let's talk about this more. So like within a day we worked out this whole plan where we would space available, you know, whatever seats are available to seats, you know her law enforcement agency if they want to send them in for First Response, whether it's a fireman or a law enforcement right and fly them into the funerals and How that whole thing started that's great. Yeah. Yeah obviously had to deal with you know issues. You know, now we've got all these cops coming into like place like New York and you know all the guns and you know work closely with the TSA and I don't know if you know John bambury, he's retired from the job. He's the FSD at JFK for the TSA great guy great partnership with him and you know, he doesn't have A great relationship with one thing. I mean that's not necessarily true and there's no courtesy would say well they they got a job to do but you know from our farm, you know, they say you get chosen for extra searching and say dude. I'm retired. I just do what I gotta do. To now because I know there will be no courtesy extended. Yeah, you know, it's easier and now I just got a new hip so I set off the alarm. Yeah, they're like, oh they jump on me. Like I'm a terrorist I said listen, I just got a new hip. Yeah. It's going to set the yeah, so but yeah, the TSA issue is a big deal with, you know, trying to you know, get them back. We would dedicate a lane for a law enforcement and just kind of do the right thing by law enforcement JetBlue is it's a pretty popular airline. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think so. And the fact that you were you came up with a way to accommodate especially with for our fallen heroes. That's a beautiful thing man. That was a felon you watching you the fact that you gave it the time out that you weren't so quick to just like now we can that well that was great. The irony of it is is like who else but you know law enforcement cop is looking for free, right? It turned into a really great thing. I said the Jolie see, you know, he's gonna come on the show and he just The pizza place. Oh, really. I said could you bring up high in that day will eat alone you go scoffs. You just like whenever you always want shit for free for you to advertise your pizza place. Yeah, but I'm sure you probably got you probably can't tell this but I'm sure there's a probably a couple times with so many cold in they wanted to fly to a certain area and just on behalf of own team. We have looking up funerals in a retired cop died in Utah, you know, I did my mother's there. This is a perfect time of year to go. Well they are there are rules to it. You know, you can't go for and like I think you can only go for three days. So the tickets not open-ended right you right? You can't bring you the Mata, you know, he's going by yourself. So there are definitely wife and kids can't come no, no just a law enforcement and it's been so well-received its kind of tree joking but it's beautiful sky blue is cotton, you know awards from so many agencies all over the country. They're so appreciative. You know the Fab have other corporations followed suit in I don't know exactly what other operations specifically Airlines do. I would say JetBlue stands out significantly on every state law enforcement is no actually he's well the CEO now, he's British but he is a huge law enforcement supporter as is most of If not, all of our senior Executives at JetBlue which really benefits as well. I mean, I don't know if you know, but we also have a plane dedicated to the NYPD as well as it might have seen that yeah, which is really nice cool things in the Loretta. No. Hey, let me ask you a question you since you were a captain on this job and you can't you were set in I'm sure quite a few comp stats and then you go into the corporate world and now you're in this business. Business meetings what what? What is the difference between the two like, I'm sure I'm just curious to know what you thought about when you going into these business meetings compared to like NYPD meetings different Dynamics being in the corporate world. It's a whole different culture and that's one of the big things when people leave like the NYPD will probably any other law enforcement agency. Now, you're going to the corporate world. You got to know what the culture of the company is that you're going to for sure. It doesn't matter because I I interviewed hundreds of people over the years. It doesn't matter how much experience you have. Yeah, obviously, we want experienced people but when it comes down to it is who's the best cultural fit for this place, you know, whatever organization it is and there it's very interesting culture. They think what what is it that you talked to corporate culture is, you know, what the company stands for, you know, how they act you know, how they treat each other how they give back. To the community what JetBlue is huge involvement in communities all across the country and internationally as well. So what that looks like there was always a term there, you know healthy push back where you know, you could have, you know, say senior executive, you know, sitting with, you know, a coordinator, you know, having a dis marketing discussion or security discussion or whatever it is and and have that discussion where everybody's kind of like on the same playing field because they want everybody's input. It's not that a paramilitary type of conversation and not that that's necessarily bad. It's not so so knowing that is really really important and I got to tell you our security department. We would like like the grandparents like we were the old folks in the company. I mean everyone's over 50 practically and you've got you know, and I have to Millennials so you've got a lot of younger kids, but I got Tell you some they bring a really great perspective to the table like things that you know, they know and are aware of and even things like we did in security, you know, you have to look at the context of you know, what's the Corp Comm team going to think and how does this look for marketing for example, and so you work with all these different departments, you know to come to a collaborative effort on how you're going to do things because we all did did you NYPD background in your training? Help you a lot in working for JetBlue. Yeah, and I would say common sense and the ability to make a decision is huge which made thousands of decisions on the NYPD every day and because things would happen there and you know, you'd have great people but who had never experienced perhaps that type of situation they always came to the security team. What should we do and it we were really grateful to be included in those conversations and we We brought a lot of experience a lot of good thought, you know into helping people, you know get through on how we're going to go about getting this sort of things done an example. I'll give you is we put together a what we call a blue Haven program. It was our workplace violence prevention and our active shooter and our business continuity and emergency response, which was not under us was very much involved in that but really he did not have anybody on team that had that type of experience. So we worked with them. Put like for example active shooter scenarios together like in our support center in Long Island City where the NYPD came in and it was great for them to they got to see the layout of the building. They got to you know, go through their protocol and know our crew members got to see what an enactment of a shooting would be and and so that particular Department worked with us and was able to put together a program which is leading in the industry. No other airline has the program that we at JetBlue had must've been tough leaving the job though. It sounds like you really really liked it. I did I did and what was the reason loser easy? You know, I always feel and I felt this way at the NYPD. It's always best to get out when you're at the top of your game. And there's a lot of times people don't know that you know, they were other factors to I became a grandmother I have Of two beautiful granddaughters who live in Los Angeles and you know, I turned 60 no way. I'm buying it at all. Well, I did she's hot. I think really I just making my grandmother's younger and younger these days. No II just wanted to live. I want to enjoy it. Enjoy life. Do you keep a lifetime? You know, it's You see Concept in the airline industry. It's called the number 65. So if you are age plus 10 years at the particular Airline hit 65, you get unlimited Lifetime and by benefits. Hmm. So I hit that years ago, but I also you know had when I left got some perks. No because it's you who's that? You don't have to 10 you weigh on actually could do that. It's what using year old Shield there's or ta Nationwide and interview other police officers and other heroes from other departments and First Responders from all over the country and we calling you up Loretta. Listen, when we asked you about those buddy passes. Yeah, well those will expire at some point, but now it's it's it's a remarkable career. Okay, so we're drawing near the first our believe it or not learn. How would I know? Listen? I'm not saying that you would particularly nervous but most of the gifts that we have on especially if you don't do a lot of this kind of stuff you can see that a little bit nervous and did of how the field was a bad. It's fine. It was great. Right and you did you notice did you yeah an hour went by so on the Top of the say we want to start having Coronas and then the conversations would ya ugly God's will is for me we're gonna we're gonna go in a completely different different direction in the second half and all this stuff that you want to talk about as well. But the first half is remarkable. I'm fascinated by the career. I'm going to thank you for coming in and we're going to take a break right now. We're going to build any parting words in the first. Yeah. I know the better I worked with her and she was up my captain in the detective Bureau. She's always a great boss and I'm glad she's had have a feeling great life of you to remember seeing you. You probably wouldn't remember me. I mean, I was in the shadows. You're right. I wouldn't remember. You know, I had I used to dress the part. I had my off-duty on had the shield here my right into the brightest pain in my back pocket you don't take but that was full of jokes. It was it wasn't notes from a jobs. I was an undercover detective literally if it was, okay. Median / detective. Alright, so on the first half man, we covered a lot. We're going to cover some more in the second half but on behalf of police off the cuff. Thanks for coming in Loretta, and we're going to cover the rest of the story in a couple minutes.

Loretta Kennedy was hired at JetBlue Airways in 2005 as the Manager Investigations. She was subsequently promoted to Security Director where she served until her retirement in 2019. Her responsibilities included oversight of: Corporate internal and external Security Investigations, the 24x7 Command Center, Security Training, Security Compliance, Airport Security Operations and Threat Assessment and Mitigation. Most notably, Loretta was very involved with and led the development of the corporate Workplace Violence Prevention and Active Shooter policy and training as well as incorporating the Department of Homeland Security’s Blue Lightning program where training was conducted to ensure awareness to the crew members on how they can support the efforts to end human trafficking. Loretta was selected to be the airline representative for the Presidents Department of Transportation Advisory Committee on Human Trafficking where she worked with other members of the committee to make recommendations for increased awareness opportunities directed toward the transportation industry. Prior to joining JetBlue, Loretta worked for the New York City Police Department for 25 years where she had varied assignments and supervisory designations over the years to include: Detective in the Organized Crime Control Bureau, Manhattan South Training Sergeant, Lieutenant Personnel Officer, Internal Affairs Bureau, and as a Captain served as the Executive Officer, Public Information Division and subsequently finished her career overseeing investigations in Detective Borough Manhattan. Loretta has a Masters Degree in Public Administration from Marist College and is also a graduate of the FBI National Academy 190th Session. She currently serves as an Advisor for a non-profit, Cycle for Recovery, whose focus is to provide grants to those in need who are dealing with addiction or mental health issues.

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Note: this episode is in Dutch! Uneven episodes will continue to be in English. Viora Rebergen is 28 jaar, overleefde acute leukemie, won de Women's Health Fit List Award 2018 en gaat nu eind april 2019 gezond op wereldreis met haar vriend Joost. Deze podcast staat in het teken van Viora's dappere reis van kanker naar een gezond & fit lichaam EN leven. 2,5 jaar lang stond Viora's leven in het teken van ziekenhuisbezoeken, chemo's en rust houden. Ze kon niet sporten, verloor haar haar, kwam 30 kilo aan maar bleef bijzonder positief. Ze deelde haar lief en leed op een hele authentieke manier via social media. Haar vriend Joost, familie, vrienden en online friends stonden aan haar zijde. Viora is stoer, sterk maar durft zich verdomd kwetsbaar op te stellen. Ze deelt haar ervaringen openhartig en ondersteund door kwetsbare foto's om lotgenoten te laten weten dat ze er niet alleen door staan. Nu Viora weer beter is werkt ze hard om weer helemaal fit en op gewicht te komen! Yoga hielp haar om kracht te trainen toen krachttraining nog teveel gevraagd. Inmiddels pakt ze de gewichten ook weer met plezier weer op. Ze is blij dat er weer ruimte in haar hoofd is voor normale dingen zoals keuzestress of een kilo die je dwars zit. Eind april 2019 gaat deze meid op reis - met als prachtig thema loslaten om een nieuw hoofdstuk te beginnen. Ze wilt mooie dingen doen en herinneringen maken in plaatst van zich alleen maar richten op een carrière zoals voor haar ziekte. "Later bestaat misschien niet" aldus Viora. Tip: Viora raadt lotgenoten aan om tijdens een ziekte zoveel mogelijk gewone dingen te blijven doen zoals uiteten en 'gewoon' een huis kopen in haar geval. Het hielp haar om de blik op de toekomst te houden en positief te blijven. Ze is ervan overtuigd dat positiviteit bijdraagt aan het herstel! Luister de hele aflevering of ga direct naar:  26.48 min 30 KG aankomen door prednison 27.55 min Yoga om aan te sterken en mentaal sterk te blijven 35.00 min Een positieve basisinstelling maar een shit dag mag ook 36.00 min Zenuwachtig voor de wereldreis 41.23 min Het grappigste van de hele podcast!! 41.48 min Het allerkutste aan kanker  ★ Volg Viora en haar avonturen op www.viora.nl of via Instagram @Viora.nl ★ Dank je wel voor het luisteren! Alle even afleveringen zijn in het Nederlands en de volgende komt uit om 1 mei 2019! Heel fijn als je een review achterlaat ♡ www.theyoganomad.nl  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/the-conscious-junkie-show/message

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So I said Washington Heights and he says man, that's a shitty neighborhood. So, you know, I didn't realize was a bad neighbor until I moved I had to like bring me down and say it was a bad day, but you did you pick up any Spanish in Washington Heights a bit a bit. Yeah. Now you couldn't leave him on the deck. You never brought good sneakers - oh so you are swimming but your sneakers because in the one that's a New York City gang, right everybody good with one arm back in the day. I remember we used to have these chairs like a keyholder around your neck. And then we had these hats mesh hat. We'd fold them this way and then you had your Adidas with the fat laces and the shell top Adidas. Remember that the and then you put the fat laces that match the stripes on. It was a whole thing, man. It was growing up in that neighborhood was a it was great. I grew up there and then the story was split because my parents divorce but Washington Heights was a great neighborhood man, and he was there was a lot of Greeks there. Yeah, those things go terribly thin. I went to I went to the not the porno theater one, whatever you didn't go there but there was a lot of movie theaters. Okay? Oh Akio 181st Street. Yeah. That's the one I was talking about Louise Paradise my uncle used to work at that Deli right there that Deli that was in Delhi. No, that's North and now that was a 180th and brought. Okay between 180 is one of the first and the reason why that I like that because when he worked there was a teenager and he used to give food to the ushers sandwiches and stuff like that when the officers used to come in on their break. So they used to let us into the movie for free so I can go see any movie in that movie theater whenever I wanted because everybody knew my uncle Dante and there's a beautiful theater at 170 Fifth and Broadway, which when I was a kid was a low he's and great theater beautiful inside and Reverend Ike the yeah. Member of an evangelist took it over. He stole his people still own it. It's if you go, but the marcius it does it still sing every night when you go by there, I think so think so it takes up the whole block from 175 176 from here to watch the show, right? He had TV. She's one of the first I think TV evangelists. Oh wow, but you know, there's no more movies this we were ticked off it took over that whole theater for me, huh? Yeah when I see this is the movie from the movie Malcolm X when there's a rumor the attempted assassination when they get your hand out of my pocket and it goes what Hopefully these ducks down Jimmy see that Malcolm X the movie. No, but I know he was he was killed in the neighborhood. Yes, you know. Okay. What about Ballroom? Not far from where I live that's in this. I always thought that it was that it happened in the Reverend Ike theater. It happened down at about if you're familiar with the neighbors right across from Columbia Presbyterian hospital. They actually call the plot X Plaza in his memory, but he was killed right there on the Autobahn Ballroom. Okay, so probably 1965 and I remember that when it happened they actually carried him right across the street into into Columbia pres, but he was dead at that point. That's horrible. Okay. So what you did you get on the job? I came on the job in November of 1979 actually shout out to my classmates. We just had our 40th anniversary great work done. He looks young get the work done. Thank you. Thank you. It's a look good on the outside. Anyway, uh-huh. That's how I am what we were the first class actually at the layoffs. So about 440 of us, which is a small delay like talking about when the in the 70s they laid off a Have have to Department. Yeah, they didn't they didn't hire a cop in five years and they finally the economy kind of turned out a little bit and they hired us and I think one of times that flies in the face of the Irish culture saying take a civil service job. Yeah, these are kill you'll never get laid off and he's got laid off and some of them came back as you know, and some of them didn't and we were the first class and they were just getting rid of these cars these green white cause and if we get these cars, but we want to show at home. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Like I said, I was born in the back of one of these but But the average cop in a radio call in 1979. I think was 38 years old. So the job had gotten old and we were only a handful coming out. We think about the grand scheme of things spreading us out across the city 440 cops 41 housing 400 NYPD. So we were kind of thrown into a Precinct and you know, it was a whole different culture in the precinct that time where they looked upon us. It was post cervical and everything within that commission and Corruption. So when we came on the job all the old timers pretty much thought that we were at to a wire There to collect, you know to capture them doing bad things and nothing could be further from the truth. We just want to learn how to do they wouldn't talk to you though very seldom. Do they talk to you and they all thought that we we thought we were big shots. They all kind of made fun of us if we had college degrees or like that and Old Times isn't a locker room were asking me if I had college that you got college and I said, yeah, but they made it sound it was a disease College. Yeah, but I better get some ointment. You want to make a point but these guys made it sound like it was a detriment to be a college educated person in the job and but they also wanted to send the message that yeah, you're a college gap between the same locker room with us. Now, aren't you two were all standing there are in our underwear debating this point, you know what we talked about that before it's like when you came on cops were in bad shape back, then they smoked two packs of cigarettes a day. They drank coffee like it was lifeblood. And if most of them drank a lot, right? Yeah, and then they would tell they were all fine. Angel advises take a pension loan every six months. It's the best thing right guys. It's a Once you become a minister. Remember those guys they became that's right. They keep the pony ministers. They said no federal tax taken that they all got almost College some of them they'll have to pay the money back but there was guys that were like, I'm a bishop in my church or the skies cold again the ones the they wanted they don't want it to have a driver's license or a Sovereign Nation Southern Vietnamese. Yeah those guys those guys have great. Yeah. These guys had no ideology behind it. They just want not to pay taxes. Exactly. So cause there was always somebody trying to come up with a scheme of how to avoid paying taxes believe me this but smarter people than you have figured out how to make everybody except for the people that like Amazon and Al Sharpton and possibly the president don't pay taxes. Don't pay they figured it out. We didn't we didn't figure it out. Oops. We'll pay forever, you know, so you came on in 1979 man that must have been some time, you know the South Looks back then was lit. Literally the whole place was on fire. I'm sure we were you still living you. Obviously, we're still living in Washington Heights. I live in Washington Heights and the way and it's you not neighborhood stabilization Unit Nine, as you know, is it's a kind of a training set up where you go in your cover four precincts. She basically we're gonna top the table. Sorry, I gave you an order a massage. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much because it comes over the mike. Thanks for sharing that but but yeah, they just threw radio cars and he was supposed to have so many foot posts. There was one of us out there. There was no like there was no field training put you right now. That's why they put you with it. We had a great, you know fto field training officer, you know old detective really showed you the job like the to hand over hand in the beginning he had to get to work. Now these guys were good. These guys were good. We had a great guy still pumping from every now and then my old fto Bill Clark Bill if you're out there good man, that's not the NYPD Blue Bill Clark. No, no, no this guy to feel about Serpico when you talk about that. Time in the police department. I always go back to the movie Serpico and how just it's such a perfect movie to capture that time and how the police departments were back then and the way he gets in and he's got his uniform over his over his shoulder and he wants a locker in the deserts barely looks up at him. He's like, yeah go upstairs. That's the case. It was nobody was happy to see you saying like there's no welcoming party a kid like Congratulations, this is IBM. Come on up. We got your desk ready. And I think as a young cop at the old Lieutenant be on the desk. Look at that is knows that his glasses and he be writing forever and I'm thinking I'm new in the job. I'm like, what is he writing? That's the good part of it was just an act you don't pay any attention to me. He was hoping that when he looked up I be gone away. I still be there 20 minutes later that day. What do you want to go back to riding again? They were like really autocrats, you know, they were like the captain of a ship. They ran the place and you didn't dare go behind the desk for God's sake. You had asked for he had asked for permission you went by and just get such a mission that come behind the desk so violated now, everyone is behind it. I remember asking the corsage permission to come behind the desk because you want to go grab a 28 is Right which is you know permission to take a day off right which he handed to the same desk sergeant with the $5 bill attached. I really need that. They Autos a different my son's christening different job, but you know the but the old the cops would definitely very protective of The younger cops they met on the street. They would back it. Once you got it. Once you got on the street. I was a different story. Yeah, but listen that that little attitude never change. I mean for the search for the first six months that you're in a command nobody really talks to you you just in everybody's way. Yeah, you know, they're watching you and the person the people that came up to you and talk to you the most in the beginning were usually the ones that were ostracized by the command the ready that's right. They were cops that work there that nobody trusted nobody liked and now there's new people there. So now they have Chance to make friends again or have somebody to talk to so they try to get two new guys on this side and you could see like if you were if you were filling guy back then and it was one guy available to work with that's the guy you talked. Yeah, we want to work with he's probably a kook. He's a nut or you drunk whatever it was. Now, you're stuck with that guy for ya. I learned pretty quick. I'm going to go put somebody in handcuffs to get away from this guy. Yeah, it's my new partner. I'll take that football still today. He saw a I'll be back in half an hour with something cause I must say no late. I was at this nut. It was a lot of nuts. Fact done to so so you get into your command, which was the one that you said was the NSU nine, right? Yep, covered the four six two four seven the 500 and the five to we mostly the for six and a 5-2 to come out like a bat out of hell making a lot of coffee. Yeah. We like to make a rest my partner and I was still my buddy. Terry Muldoon great guy came from a police family. I did not so we kind of just have a lot of brothers and sisters growing up. I was the youngest of two simpler two brothers and a sister and one of my brother's just passed. So no, I'm sorry. Here. Did you guys sing Irish folk songs in the radio car together? No. No, I'm Irish for not that Irish. I mean so you guys got a car right away. Now, you know what they there was no cops up there. So you'd show up at the four six and they just throw you in the car together. Okay, we would blind leading the blind but it worked out. Okay, so you got it and I'm sure the cars were in great shape, right? Yeah the great shade there plush institution AC was cranking all the time. What are we what are we using these? No cratons concert. Remember this guy that I worked we got a brand-new car, right? So he took his pen it's a brand-new car takes his pain and he Jabs it right into the - water bang right there. Okay. We got a pen holder like they're from that point on every time you took out his play. Do you do your report you put the pen right back and you can hold it and my partner my partner to Muldoon, you know my good buddy to this day. He learned real quick by the by the second week in the street. He had nothing on his gun belt. Everything was from except his holster and That loop with a high stick whenever he took everything off and he said a successful day is when we don't put pen to paper. He was handling disputes over the intercom. Don't make me come up there. Don't make me come up there. He was the best you guys had some of those Broncs tricks that we couldn't do that nowadays. He was the best good days when we don't put pen to paper. Oh my God Tim invented the term the job sucks and he didn't really mean it. You say it all the time like you have a training Squad you coming out and what's the sign up book? I guess the sergeant was told. And identify with these guys and deal with them and interact with them. So the sergeant was up on a foot-post and he was kind of stiff. He pulls up. He's got a clipboard and he goes hello Edmund and how are you today? It was very scripts very scripted and I'm good. I just want to get him out it. Yeah good Sergeant. Everything's fine. Thank you very much. Thank you very much your scratch and signed my book. And and my buddy Tim will do in his formal. First name is Austin. Nobody calls him Austin. Welcome Tim for some reason his family calls him Tim. Again, the sergeant goes so Austin. What do you think of the police department? So I'll do the funny guy to this day is very funny guy. And I know what he's going to say. I'm going like kind of telepathically like don't say it. Don't say I sure enough he salutes and he goes the job sucks Sarge Sarge it goes really he's writing all kinds of notes down about will do like, you know, Renegade irrational whatever's right down. So I'm trying to defend I said, oh, he's only kidding Sergeant. Oh, is that right now? He's riding on my folder like Bad things about me now if I'm defending Muldoon, but we'll do it is quite the character in this audience back then like I said, they're not bad guys, but this guy was again the I guess he was forced to interact with us and he wasn't a very warm and fuzzy guy to begin with. So how did you guys handle the domestic violence cases back then? You know, it's I look back on it now and the job at the time we were basically bouncers. Yeah, we would go to apartments and we would tell some guy to get out if you resist it a little bit, you know, those cops there that he wanted to he wanted to fight a little bit you got didn't always get arrested. Want to fight you're on top he got he got accommodated and but then we were like take his keys out of his pocket and it's basically what it looks like a robbery we think about it whether they're pulling key that is guys pocket so you don't matter but I want house so we don't come back home and he comes back, you know the next day and so it was accomplishing nothing me think about it, but that's the way the job was now it's swung completed the other way. So I think so but back then, you know, it wasn't a really successful domestic violence program was apartment was not at all and then when you make boys and you go to a scene, it's like you're Afraid to walk away from the scene, right? Yeah, if someone gets killed. Oh, yeah, but wait, wait, wait what when did you so you stayed in NICU? And then where did you go to work? When did you become a week a massage his first sergeant first obviously, but where did you go to work after that? It's funny. I got I was living in Manhattan at the time again, Washington Heights and all the orders come down broken transfer to our Precinct stop so-called permanent commands and all my buddies are all going to precincts and this I'm not even in the orders. So I look me and other nine nine other. No, sorry Souls. We get sent to the Manhattan traffic area if it had Traffic Division. Wow working at a 30th Street horrible. I mean listen the nice guys some of them a nice guys, but so we only want to go out. That's not what you wanted to do. So we got sent there and they greet Us by saying welcome to your last command so it's kind of disheartening because you going with it. No one leaves their right nobody want and and this guy's wanted to go there but they picked us because he lived in Manhattan. They don't do us a favor and the same kid relax. You got a detail. I didn't want this detail I wanted I did that we're gonna Precinct you want to sew into the radio calls and learn your job from a valuable lesson there. They they said you're not leaving make Sergeant you leave but you're not leaving and all that's interesting. Nobody to cut take your place. They can we don't want it. We want you we want me for you had to direct traffic and he had to write parking tickets and these guys down there were like parking ticket machines. I mean some of them were writing 7580 tickets a day and in various precincts. So we said I learned a valuable lesson me and my partner I buried a good guy stole my buddy to this day. We basically said because we're young cops. Not too bright. We said we're not doing anything We're not gonna do it will not get if we don't write tickets. They have to get rid of us. Mmm. Well, they kept us the longest. So if they said no you're gonna so at the end we wrote some tickets and I was putting the 50s request for transfer and every month and anywhere Harlem Bronx Brooklyn anywhere to go to the precinct go to break. The shittiest priest wasn't asking for anything. So finally, I'm the underdog Ninth guy of 10 that they're finally releasing my buddy. Barry was louder about it to me. They kept him longer than me valuable lesson for both of us. So I finally get my orders you going through the 32nd Precinct these guys in traffic. They were so detached from the police department. They said where's that I said uptown Uptown what you want to go there for it's crazy up there if people shoot that people up there. So then they were like you'll be back you'll be sorry, you know making a bad move. You'll be back only go to a detail right up front like that. You're not really doing police work. You're not answering the radio. You're not making College a lot of these guys you get to you stay there too long. You're scared to move anywhere else because you don't know what to do. We are going to go to a place and you got five six years on the job and you have five arrests. Yeah. There's legendary kept what these get anak. They weren't all bad guys, but they were so detached from police work the guy we tell a story an old-time a good guy old time. He says, he's directing traffic at Delancey Street and said A guy walks up to me and says, excuse me. Where's the seventh Precinct? He goes or Right down there on Pitt Street. He goes thank you. He turns around he goes. He's got a screwdriver sticking out of his back. Uh-huh. We should what did you do? He goes he want to wear the precinct when I showed him. The precinct was like that's how Detachment police were like get an ambulance. We had a rumor. I worked in the task force when I was young on the job too. And this the rumor was that some guy came up to this cop that we worked with because I just got shot and he goes where and the guy lifts up his shirt and was a little bit of smoke coming out of this. Tiny little hole in them because it was in the middle of winter. You could see the smoke coming out and then he goes, did you call 9-1-1. He's in a radio car on the traffic headquarters on 30th Street sold kind of looks like a castle but nothing that's a good place for building its beautiful building, but the there was guys there on the late to and all they did was they lock the door and they counted all the parking tickets all day. Oh, yeah, so they said like a duty Captain, you know separate from the traffic command comes to the door. Door and it's like one o'clock in the morning and the doors locked. Now he's banging on the window and a guy in a flannel shirt. Like is Venetian blinds looks out the window. What do you want? Okay, let me in he was nowhere close to being an on-duty captain in uniform what clothes they were little separated from the police department. See this reminds me of when I think it was a Manhattan North when they used to have that place right on I think it was up a little bit of pasta 128th Street and Broadway. What was that Manhattan? What? I meant homicide there is a belly ring a bell and they couldn't catch anybody sleeping. So these have to wait until somebody was going inside the door then running right behind them hold it, you know, so you'd be sitting in the car for half hour officer. Hold on and then he's running with you and it was just to catch the people up there who was sleeping and it's funny the flip side of that is now late in my career. I become a boss and you know, maybe I'm an inspector and I'm doing like a patrol Duty coverage. We got to cover all the precincts and you're in uniform right around signing books and stuff. And if I pulled up in front of the precinct, I would I would give the cop that standing in front the door time to go inside and tell us all in a box on the way and everybody did that. There was a phone call that followed. I was about the 111 Precinct. Nice guys young kid standing front door and I would do it all the time. I stopped at 111 that my look clipboard. I'd wave to him he'd wave back at me. You wouldn't go inside. I stayed up at five minutes. I'm writing their final I got to go in and the poor Sergeant will tend to be on the desk. He'd have his back to the wall feet up read the newspaper like this and you go so Danielle attention, you know that he's gonna and I'm like does the guy outside not like you? Why would he come in? I'm waiting outside for me to come and warn you that I'm coming but common sense, right? That's it. That's common sense is lacking. That's the Queen's Marines. I know you're saying everyone's a good guy, but they're not all good fucking well, this guy just didn't get it. It just didn't get it that you know, I'm here if I want to sneak up on velocity up on him to get out of there you we decided to do is take the Sergeant's test. Well, no, I we had to you know, prostitute ourselves and write some tickets and we finally got our wish is granted and that's what I went through three to the best move. Probably my career. It's a great place. Great time to is Harlem. It is central Harlem from 127th up to up to the Polo Grounds houses like on 59th street from so now you think Nick to stretch it. Yeah, it's plush who was the CEO back then plus remember, it's funny. The CEO was a not a bad guy was the deputy inspector Tom coin who had red hair. So, of course the cops nicknamed him agent orange. Well, I think I think his total was on the job and she was a sergeant in the Queen's test for is that right? I think so because she was a redhead and her last name was going to yeah. He had really bright red hair and I think I'm probably a hundred coins on the NYPD though and it's like Murphy to skip she was a nice Sergeant. So what makes It's you take the Sergeant's test. And since you're now you're happier in the 3-2, and you're you're doing what you want to do. The 3/2 is great when we worked all night Squad shots, you did a midnight a week of midnight every six weeks and I hooked up with my partner Brian Murphy who stole my buddy to this day. We decided to like make a rest. So we went to Lake did he retired as a lieutenant he did. Yeah. I think it was in the building with us 3280 broad. We was he was yep him go to Buff State. That's what I'm talking about. That's it. Right good guys. Both after a couple of months, you know when you when you when you approach somebody about being your partner. It's almost like asking so many go to prom isn't that so cool. We've never covered that bill. What's that? But the thing about when you ask somebody to be your partner, he that's a great thing. He said it's like asking somebody what do you what do you want go to prom and work together checking? Yeah, looking them up and down what kind of like an he was a kid from Levittown? I was just you know City kids we kind of meshed pretty well. And where did you get that one epd from? What did you do? I want to make sure you're a warrior like me. Me. Yeah, we had a guy who was a big guy. But anytime you got a TBD he would stack them together. So Metals kids through us and this thing was up by his nose. That's right this way but had like five ppd's and he put like a pistol shot as well as he is right. Now. First of all and epd can put old all in together was a number on ya like so you could consolidate them so you can get the real metals and then the pistol shot is something that you get in the range just for qualifying and then there's The complexity like the to like than that in 1976 something or 1980s Bicentennial. Yes, you get that one. He had ever heard and then sadly he goes there's some crazy job some big dispute. There's like eight cops in a place as big fight and they lock people up another whole buildings ticked off. This guy goes back to the precinct and says one of his epds fell off. He goes he goes to his product. We gotta go back and get it. Oh good you crazy. I'm gonna kill us in a building like, okay. I'll buy you another one like 50 cents for those. Oh God. If you see someone that's really like into the metal thing. Yeah, and they see a guy like that. They'll be like I do it give me oh, yeah, I don't get pissed. It will report hit your board is not right fix your board fix good. You gotta have a 5 you can fi v p d--'s. What are you kidding me? But yeah, we did wind up our trip together after after a little courtship. I guess you call it. So I love that that what you said though. That's great that figuring out whether you can partner up some of it has to do with Do you like sports wouldn't have the music because you're in the car. I worked with a guy one night and his partner was out so was mine and the Knicks were playing. I remember they're playing the Bulls. It was a playoff Sue's when you know as it when the Knicks were good. Yeah, so I said I'm turning on the game and he goes no I can't listen to it. So why not? You don't like the next it was? No, I love the next I said, yeah, so what's the problem because it makes me crazy. I said well then I'll listen to it on my side of the car. So I switched it and he goes no. No, it's all right. So literally its tip off the first the game just starts tip-off Michael Jordan gets a bill passed him flies down. The courts slam dunks it in the guy he goes fuck and he smashes his head in the side of the of the radio called the window was sitting inside the driver's side bang. I just I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be a long game right now. The first two points, you know basketball is back and forth. For three hours, do you think it's gonna be a long game? I had them drop me off but the end of the game. You must look like ET, you know those things, you know, it's also funny I get this Vision in my head of when you walk into a new command the roll call and nobody knows you yet and they all kind of sort of like looking in you sizing you up, you know, the what was the the phone call that follow you there? Not that led you to there. You know what I'm saying? There's always that who the who this guy is and why? Is he coming there? And we did the homework but the worst is when they say your de mayo. Oh, yes. Yeah. It's like really it's a you know, it's all used to be all men there but it's a very Alpha thing. You know what I'm saying? All the other animals checking out like who is this guy? And it's a tough. It's a tough situation to walk in because everybody's got a you know, you have to have you have to be tough. So you're walking into a room of tough people to begin with. Yeah. Everybody's got a sense of humor or wisest thing to say And the 3-2 had good old time as they're good mix of guys and I used to kid around a little bit. Like I came on November of 79. So I did like seven weeks in the 70s technically in that decade. So I would be with these and now these guys have, you know, one side of the room they've killed nine people in the precinct and they came out there Vietnam guys. I kill people there they kill people here. They kill people everywhere and I'm sitting with them and I'm saying I'm lamenting to them kidding around going Guys these young cops. They don't get it. They're not 70s cops like And these guys have any questions? Yeah. Come on you guys. When did you come on November 17 Ein go sit with them get away from us. Yeah, they said that's 1969 class of the NYPD was like, oh my God, they all just came back from Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah. Well like scary guys. I'm gonna be great cops have a great cops when they were, you know, they didn't suffer fools. Well, no, no. Oh, yeah even so how long did it take you to become Sergeant. I'm going to use that you have on before you decided to I had just about five years. On so I look at that was quick. I was Babyface sergeant and back then when you made Sergeant they sent you to how old were you I was 11 like 20 more do we have to take him to the club? So good stand-up material man. No, I would freeze trust me, but I look very young and back then the job would send you to allegedly to go to the precinct for six months. We make all your mistakes and then you go to your permanent command make no mistakes. So talk about as a sergeant sergeant. So my go to the for eighth Precinct in the Bronx, which was also the borough command. So, you know all the borrow bosses are right upstairs, which the for it was a good place to work. But having the borough upstairs was a pain in the ass because they come down your head. Let me just stop you for one second. I worked in the to phone. That was the borough when you're on the desk. You always get this prick upstairs. Why is there a dog tied to my pole on my parking space? And you're not yet? Yeah in the for a to be a dead guy in his pocket. So cool with Mindless stuff, you know, excuse me one Chief. We've actually I knew his office. There's a chief upstairs rest his soul but his he had these like Louver Windows yet to like, you know kind of roll them like this and they would open like that. I didn't know how he got his head out the window. He could look out the window somehow maybe at a mirror something and it said like Sergeant they were their office is downstairs speaking to a female at the gas pumps investigate that and get back to me forthwith and and old boss is love setting forth with for everything. I want a chicken parm hero forth with you. Everything was forthwith. So I'm looking at it was some woman got lost on the Cross Bronx asking for directions, but he wanted in complete investigation about why these guys was chatting with this woman because I thought they were engaging in unnecessary conversation good for those who don't know that means that means you're not really supposed to be talking to civilians. Let alone females let alone attractive ones laying the rap while you were in uniform I think gas pumps. I think sadly the chief no females pay any attention to the Chiefs. I think it was cool. What you say was know what what kind of conversation was necessary. Necessary conversation. So you're bullshitting. They don't want you bullshitting. You can actually write somebody a discipline a command this and I met my wife at Lincoln Center when I was in uniform, I know unnecessary conversation necessary conversation got me married, you got a lot of people married unnecessary conversation is the blue magnet man. It forces a lot of unnecessary conversations that blue magnets right? So how quick did you rise up the ranks there? But once you once you became a sergeant then obviously this Lieutenant this cap was a sergeant for Robbie for five years again. I almost College you have I had I got college so you guys know but I told you about but you gotta has a bachelor's in with the Forum. That's a good school and later in life and got a masters from Marist. Well, that's great. Yes. So that was one of those NYPD Masters you went to the police academy. Yeah, I remember. As this what does IT guy was a lot cheaper than the real mess is so anyway go to the academy every third Sunday and we know every Monday night alright for two and a half years ago Monday night deal. That was mr. Watch football games. Thanks to that mother deal that was but are you rising up through the ranks? Then? I had a blessed career. I really did. I people look out for me to court to test on time. That means didn't take that minute you got promoted and then it wasn't such a big gap. I got promoted Lieutenant 1989 and like nine months later. I got to take the cabins test, but you can't do these days. So oh yeah. Yeah. It's a pie. You can just some cops in the NYPD see his balls with dipped in butter. They say that he work for you. Then your balls dipped in butter. Then he can go wherever you want. But you got to take the test first. I got some nice spots though. So maybe his balls. Dipped in butter. I tell you what, I'm gonna I have a whole new perspective. We bought some butter or not. So no I'm getting off butter now. It's so what do you become a lieutenant? Where do you go? You know what I was I was working for Bill Taylor early friend and mentor to me. I just talked to me the night. He asked me to be his icy. Oh, so you still friends now? Yeah, everybody. Did you notice everybody? He was a good and effective. It's great about you is that this is how you can tell a really good person is is if they still have relationships with the people in their past and you're not even aware of this but everything you said after every single person you mentioned was still friends to this day. Yeah, and that is that's a beautiful thing. Not not not many people say that I'm blessed with good friends a lot of Irish color whenever you talk to somebody and they start with you. I don't talk to him anymore. What's up with Han? I haven't heard from them in a while and well, fuck them. Stay away from that person. You can have a problem with them. Well, they say you sorry but so Movie so you met you you the guy Taylor built a little to care of me. He was the commanding officer the applicant processing division. That's a ground ball right there. He asked me to be as I co that which I kind of thought it was gonna be a means to an end. Like I went there today. Okay. I want to get to the detective Bureau to narcotics. I'll do two years with you because two years we'll be out of there when the 105. Well that was one of the offices there was a Citywide units. They were spread out all over. Okay? Okay. That's why I used to have to go and but that's the Four years later together, but that's the length of the contract to I can imagine how many times your phone was ringing it rang a lot. Oh my God you guys 7 hated the mess with my kid. I got the kids folder in front of me and I'm looking like, you know arrest arrest arrest that secure trying to get on the job heroin cocaine and then there's somebody on the other end family from that person that it is cool. And you're on the job. They're calling you saying their mess, who am I kidding? You look kid. You're looking at the folder like a like a violent nightmares. Going and I can't tell because the kids said a lot of stuff in confidence and maybe doesn't want to become a cop as father's making him become a cop. So I'd say talk to your son. I've gotta talk to my son. I'm talking to you I go when I'm talking to you talk to you son. They can have an interesting dinnertime conversation that night I said, but but they're not mess with him. Trust me. What are you trying to tell me? My kids are bad kid. No, I may be your best photographs. But no, but I didn't say that. I just to talk to your kid, but I see a lot of those phone calls. Well you did you get to see all the psychological profiles with a chance to draw the house. Us member that know the house and the Senate every yeah the treating figure and the dog in the backyard of smoke coming out of the chimney. So it looks like a happy home again. My buddy Muldoon comes out he goes he goes is it bad that I made my stick figure and naked guy? I told you about his character. So you work in an applicant investigation and your the Ico there the Ico there. So you're looking at of all the detectives in the cops that was a way to get promoted to to put the temporary. Is to work but you know, I look back I had some great commands great jobs some of the best jobs. I had was being an anti-crime cop and the 32nd Precinct. I was thus new the street narcotic enforcement unit Sergeant 2 4 6 the because the epic thing is like a temporary stop. Nobody wants to be there really wasn't me that but honestly, you guys are like 89 to 90 to I guess that's when I was coming through. Yeah, you got you something something crack problem was my guy was he was cool. It was cool. My applicant guy. He's just the only thing he had a Wandering eye. My so he'd be talking to me and the other I'd be scared. I don't know we've been a great detective because you could always see what's going on. But I was always trying to catch up like what is he looking at over there? And he's talking about you remember his name? I don't want to say I do. The also you're in charge of like sending people out to knock on a neighbor's doors. Oh, yeah, and as to ask the questions about, you know, one of the applicants I was this person is a neighbor. Did you ever see them doing stuff? That was scary. It was scary. I can't believe it people in my neighborhood voucher. They haven't they probably just want to get there. They still do that. They don't they still do actually it's funny. There's this retired guys. Now that actually do it. I know got it does it you can do it like as a part of a waiver as long as you make more than 30,000. It doesn't take your pension. I want to do that. So there's guys that go out that do. That they could put Department call. They showed a Precinct and they go out and they do feel visits and they love it. I would do that. So so then how long did you become captain in? Nine months? Yeah. I tried took the test and I much but then I finally went to back to my calculator. I was an undercover narcotics briefly in earlier my career and I help you boys 1983 could buy drugs in uniform pretty much. It's amazing. How much drugs are kind of guy? Kabaddi? I've won a lot of drugs when it comes to climb in the Heights UPS, right? What actually brought him in the Bronx believe or not? And in Lori said they were doing this pressure point stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah in the hallways side Alphabet City was bad, but when you can hand out with like a flannel shirt, I go ahead a bit long and you get online and to be like an abandoned storefront and like the gate would be down the game of come up and the guy would come in and we do everybody real quick like sell drugs everybody real quick. So I'm on the line and I didn't have radios. Zuri Kells back then you had to go back to a car get a radio. So I'm on line one time and there's a guy like kind of managing the line and it's a ballbuster. So he's got either a like a sort of baseball bat arose have a pool cue and he's poking all those junkies because I'm posing as a junkie and I get the config tracks on my hands and stuff and he's poking us and poking his heart and like and so you want to go like he anybody who might be a cop you can figure the cops are gonna take that. He gives me a good couple of folks. I'm like, okay man. Okay. I'm just doing the Dockside junkie thing. And so I buy go back and tell the guys in the team. The guys in the team will hot hitters. I said listen be careful give my description that be careful the guy, you know managing the line. He hit me with the stick a couple times. Oh, he did did he and then you'd have to go by again to make an idea who they're grabbing. Make sure they got the right guy and I go by this guy is knocked unconscious. It was poking him with a stick. I put a new stick is laying next to him. So it's kind of like you live by the sword Die By The Sword kind of think so, huh? That's so interesting. Yeah. It's like a little Revenge, you know, you painted this picture. There's a nice picture standing on the line. Would you would you sell drugs to this man? Well, like you said it was a 1983 had a pretty good line. You don't buy you could pay drugs in the uniform back then they would ask you who you know who sent you here like, oh my God, that's a good name. It's always a Flacco involve some Those somewhere which Flaco which Flaco skinny one this skinny Flaco Flaco skinny Flaco. Yeah, so I said I you become a Captain like wasn't Lieutenant narcotics and I become a captain and then the party's over one of the highlights of my career. I go to the twenty fourth precinct in Upper Manhattan. I used to work in the time the second in command of the precinct late the late Jack McDermott rest. His soul was in the commanding officer and who do I get? To me, they'll can talk about the great stuff. My career is all your friends pales by comparison. Shoot us. All right, I finally meet both hands when I went to the first six months of 95. I guess I was there. All right cuz Wanted to form in I was in Warrens having the time of my life. There's a best time I've ever had on a job and then once Carrick left, they wanted to downsize because he had built it up to like so now they were down they were down in the squad. So we had to go back fill the squads and you never seen more miserable people man. I don't know why they did it you had a bunch of people in narcotics that probably would have went to squads happily, but we were like so and when I got to the to for men it was nothing more depressing than it than having to be in the squad and he just hated everything. About the I hated everything about the job for five years. It's not what I want. I didn't bust my ass to go there. I busted it to go to warrants. But and that's why I was having a grand time and now we're someplace that you didn't want to be the squad detectives a lot of work. Yeah, especially the to form an A2 for was kind of like it was it was busier than I wanted it to be and to for has everything like you guys. I'm you talk about your first first episode the one side of the to for Precinct 86th Street. You have millionaires movie star. Is the other side you have been hat and Valley lot of crime lot of drugs cop was killed in. You know, Chris Holden was killed there you and everything into for everything in between and that good Pizzeria to there wasn't a sound Carmine's. Yeah. Is that what it's called sound coma I think was VG's maybe your sound called on 104 and Brody talk about yeah places. So I don't know if it's still there. I was way too busy to eat. Yeah, I bet you were right. So I would imagine as you Rising through the ranks you chose to get an even funnier right you guys thought lat More that don't and you're not like a pipe player or no? No, no. No, I can tell you I went to one and world society meeting when I first came on and it was right after member. The 83 Sergeant says they had all the quarters and stuff. Yeah, some some cop it says that the amount Society meaning goes. I think we should be granted minority status to The head of the animal society goes y equals because we have small dicks. That was the last of my society meeting I ever watching. What exactly is a great. That's funny. I always remember that to this day. I don't know we can't even stop that. So did you have ambition to rise all the way to the top through the department? No, I didn't eat when I came on the job first. I didn't know I had no family a giant no idea how you advance in the job. So I'm looking at I see sergeants most had like gray hair and I'm kind of go to some guy like where do they come from and they said oh you take a test like I thought they came on the job of salty. I thought the group of making a hot houses. So I found that I could take a test those they give me enough time. I could take your test and probably come out, you know, maybe not at the topic posted if you get promoted and I said, hey, you know, as long as they give Shot at it, you know I'm going to do okay, I wasn't arrogant about it. But I you know, I studied I go to the classes. I put my material how many others did you have on when you make Captain? I'm a captain in the end of 94. So I'd like 50 14 years on this road. That's a good time. Usually it happens around the 20th. And I got Blessed Like I said I got promoted then I went back to narcotics actually again, Bill Taylor asked me to come to narcotics. I went to back to Manhattan South narcotics. It's all very often as a captain took over from the previous Captain who was he'll remain nameless, but the worst boss I ever worked for in the police department. You must have been a good boy. I mean, I think it was fair. Sounds to me like every how could the people not like you? Yeah. Oh you get to know me, you know, it'll come, you know more people always say when that you're not for everyone you were everyone else everyone could like you you could tell already and so you obviously do you have anybody that you recalled that you work with that a boss but that was working on the you that was a freakin big pain in the ass that yeah, we couldn't get him to think of one guy fly straight. And again, I'm not I'm not a tough guy when it comes to the discipline and stuff like that. But there was one guy that I bumped into when I was a Precinct commander who was like just stunad didn't get it. He was the he was a combination. He was like, you know, let in civilian complaints. He never made arrests. He didn't write tickets. He just broke every his chops. He was mean he was rude. He was everything the whole package was a boss fight the to and every time I had to do something to him. I want them ahead of time. If you don't straighten out I'm doing this changes to her. You can't do that to me changes to it. And it's anything that he did. I told him I had a time it was coming. Never straightened out. So to this day. I look upon this guy. He's The Benchmark youth the low point of whenever I think of her like a really bad dumb cop and I love cops. This guy's name. What was his problem? Just the douche. He just had a bad attitude. He never should've come on this job. Yeah, he would keep kind of Pride himself. Like he doesn't like people only Pride himself in that that's like a guy wants a pizza shop scene isn't like mozzarella. I can't be a cop and not like people it has to be that was the one thing that got me through the job is that I like people I didn't like really police work, but I like people And and if you're out there, you know who I'm talking about. You know who you are be he has no ambition to even listen to anything to do with police Works. He's not going to be listening to off-the-cuff trust when you got promoted you ever want to get revenge against any boss that did you when you were a cop. No, I mean I had mostly good bosses. I mean you only guy, you know what they say that you're saying about the best revenge is living. Well, yeah, the guy who I took over for Matt and South as a captain, he was a fellow captain now and for some reason he just he had four lieutenants he tortured all of It wasn't just me it watch it everybody and I was on the Katniss list. It wasn't like has been a tough guy, but I'm gonna be a captain in the year palette, right? So I didn't tell him that but he even got at one point. He even tried to be true want me to hit him. I'm not a violent guy, but he was kind of like going like, you know, hey, you know, you don't like this and maybe someday, you know, you want to you want to you want to do something about it. I said no I said I'll do something about it down the road maybe because you threatening me I said no, but someday we'll meet again and perhaps we'll talk. No that's as close to a threat I got but then it turns out I want up getting his Job, then a year and a half later. The DEA task force. The prestigious Elite DHS was comes up. I was kind of a Dark Horse put my name in he wanted the job. I got it. Yeah, I get promoted to Deputy inspector like a year later. He doesn't did you call him and then it was what was great about it was no he had an office in the same building as me. That's what I said. Yeah, she came to the same coffee pot. Well, the Italians say revenge is a dish best served cold, right? Yeah. Yes, and I've always neighbors. First name was rich Richard. Went by Richie. So when I saw him at the coffee coffee pot he go you've done okay for yourself. I say a great role models dick. You don't have to lay hands on a guy, you know, you got the point you got the point you retired after that and you know, but really what I think about it the only in Florida like a block from your condo now or what might happen might have the velcro shoes on. Thought that the boss has got along well and it was just their job was to shit on the you know, the cops. He was an angry angry who's the boss is stuck together and it's funny in his office. He had a picture of you must use big in the Knights of Columbus. I think she'd been excommunicated but he's got a picture of him with the Cardinal. He's in uniform. I'm taking the car door you knew that this guy was such an evil guy like you were like they called him the Antichrist. That's how bad he was. Yeah. This is an extent this peep. This boss is on the job. Got the really go out of their way to the really did beat horrible people destroy other people's lives in malicious ways. And you wonder like whoa! Why are they doing this? Yeah. This is it's just a miserable why I why would you want to go to work and everybody hates you if you didn't have if that didn't have to be, you know, Ted didn't you're not a brownie, you know where he's gone brownies, but then the meter maids whatever traffic enforcement now, but that's the type of job. But people, you know, the people cursing at you all day. And why would you want that? That if you didn't have to have that especially from the people that you work with not only from the street, but also from what you saw Gordon what goes around comes around all I don't understand that it always does yes expressions of that way forever, who knows to understand these people but so you're riding high is a captain but you don't quit, right you keep you keep you keep going and everything after that, you know as you guys know, but it's not a test after that no test. It said it's just magically based on Merit. It's applying the alcohol prep. Head to the undercarriage of the rank above you. Yeah, right. You never heard. You never heard that one. You know, like I said, I was blessed because I had guys like like Bill Taylor Like Pat Hartnett that gets different spelling of his last name, but he was very good to me. They all thought he was my uncle I said guys he spells his name different but it didn't matter. He was my uncle I even call him Uncle Pat to this day John Timothy rest. His soul was good to me. You're the prior guest you guys had Louisiana mon guys like that that held you to a standard, you know, you Adam own healthy to standard and he wasn't going to back off that animal is definitely one of my heroes on the NYPD. I just think it was I think the world of him. I think Jack Maple You Know Jack Maple was the engineer the architect the menu and gets and gets the well deserve credit for it. But I think Lou animal doesn't get enough credit to me. It was Louis. It was Jack Maple and Luann Timon that that brought the compstat not just the meeting. The process the mentality culture because changing the culture the NYPD back then was tough. It was old-time Chiefs back then that will basically looking at their watch saying this guy Bratton has gone in a year or two. We'll just go back to the old ways of doing things. I mean, I remember a time. When when a Precinct Commander would maybe know how many murders he had. And that was it only only knew about was murders and that was it. He did know anything about the other crime wasn't engaged with the community at all. The squad Commander upstairs lot of times. They didn't know each other's names. I remember it only counts that low on ammo and chief Animo nest. Esther Precinct Captain, all right, you do with the guy upstairs the precinct admit the precinct the squad Commander. Yes, I do and it was like bam about what's his name and he kind of stumbles a little bit like they didn't really talk right. Now those guys are connected at the hip and they've been connected tip to last 25 years and they know their Mutual survival depends on putting stuff in place to get crime - sure and the system can be brutal. The system was brutally be going but if we're know that now you mentioned the crime coming down it seems like and you know, cops are always wanted to be a pessimist. And they're always talking about you know, how bad things are going to be and you know, just you know, as well as I do some cops are such a pessimist and then they get in a whole group of it. And it's been all this talk with the Blasio's mayor but the numbers haven't really reflected it between having him a everybody's saying how a crime is going to spike. But now they're coming up with these all these reforms where they're going to stop the bail and they going to let people out of jail for for everything. Basically you want to have some reason they want them out in the streets again now have a friend. She's a comic she's got in touch with me last night because she was robbed recently at gunpoint on the West Side Highway right in the Midtown. I have another friend who's a comic he got jumped and another female comic got punched in the face all robbery attempts and all of them in that that Midtown Manhattan area and they're two of the other three are from these bike gangs. I'm going to talk about Motorcycle gangs I'm told my kids on bicycles surrounding you following you and then you know robbing you and these are things that are like popping up amongst all your friends. It's just happened to be the community that I'm with. I'm no matter what community and I'm sure you got your going to know what you know, a couple people have got robbed lately. So now this is all starting to spike up this is and this is even before the reform. It's all starting to come to the surface now, you know, you know Market that's interesting because if you went to Camp Steph, That animal and hopped on my bicycle summonses remember that and that I was the reason because of robberies. These kids on bikes are robbing people give him a summons for riding on the sidewalk. Give me someone's pulling a red light. You're supposed to obey the vtl laws. Even when you're on a bicycle the one girl who called me last night. She said that the response was amazing though. So I would imagine that they're really trying to catch these kids be a couple of them got caught. It's part of the Ashley obviously a pattern, but she mentioned that there was a helicopter involved. Wow. You know, this is the probably a level one mobilization. Well because it's a robbery now with a gun in Midtown. So I'm sure they're really trying to grab a whole, you know, grab this the bull by the range before it gets out of control. But you know, they gotta they put her in the car. They drove around with a canvas then the these stupid kids were using a credit card. So they were getting literally like minute by minute where the credit cards were being used and then they would go there for video footage. They collected a ton of video footage so they're going to be able to make Skids and she wanted to know which I didn't even I started thinking to myself juveniles don't have to sit then they're not, you know, put him in a lineup do yeah, they do. They're really hard to do juvenile man, Sheree. There's no grand jury for a jeweler. If it goes to Criminal Court there is but usually it winds up in Family Court. All right, so I don't think it's going to go to court because it's just a robbery. Yeah and the quality of life stuff if I had the quality stuff back then that we targeted led to Great results like one of the elected officials. I mean say her name was talking about recently about people that are evading the fair on the subway because these are poor people who have any money if you ever talk to old Transit cops, they laugh at that because they all say almost everybody that grab for fair beat had like hundred dollars in my pocket. So it's not like this the people just drop it. It also has a job at the bike someone stuff. We always make great Colors by but you get a guy riding a bicycle on a sidewalk. Now you talked with one. I was nervous. Also you find out he's got a weapon. He's got a bunch of drugs on them. Right? I mean that stuff could always be used as a means to an end legally not certainly within the browser. Intent of the lawful arrest which they've lost in the subway for the fair because it's civil matter. Yeah, right. Yeah, so you can see Mission creep coming back in some cases. Yeah, it's crazy. I had it on. My phone just went off and I have it on airplane mode. Oh, I'm gonna have to completely shut it down. We have to start off. You know what you know what I wanted to I and obviously at we often off the job for a little bit how good are the anti-crime is right. Now are they do they have good anti crimes out that are aging people and teams. Yes, how could it be like to think that antic anti-crime for you know for listeners out there. The uninitiated are active Precinct cops that wind up getting out of uniform. They put them in plain clothes a little blend in the neighborhood to make quality felony arrests. I think they are but I think the the metrics to get it anti-crime with different I mean used to be made a lot of arrests made good rest of the precinct. CEO said I gotta put you in anti-crime now, I don't think they make that many arrests. So I guess they probably give a lot of maybe quality life tickets or whatever but I'm sure I'd like to think that the anti-crime cops out. There are still the best of the best in that for you. Hope you hope that well I did I mention that pessimism and you know, what happens is that pessimism all over all of a sudden at some point unfortunately becomes a reality which is probably going to be faced with which is going to be a major incident we talked about we've talked about this on the show a couple times the boy from you Ryan Watkins, Brian Williams write a kid and killed in the subway in the stairs trying to protect his mother and that turned everything around that seems To be the one thing we could all agree upon was that incident was enough is enough. We're not even close to the surface of enough yet. Because you know this these robberies are just starting to become common knowledge, you know, people are starting to talk. They started Talk Amongst each other and they started their going to be like, oh that happened to me too. And that happened to me too. And unfortunately, we're living in a time right now where everybody you know, there's a we're in a city where there's a lot of you know, obviously there's always been Here but a lot of left-leaning and they believe in this and they're woke and they don't end but you know, what something happens when somebody smashes you right in the face like Mike Tyson used to say, you know, everybody's got a plan until you got punched in your face. It's right I'm saying so, you know mockery say one thing is that it's not what the the hierarchy of the NYPD always talks about is that all the numbers are down, but it's something called disorder disorder is up and disorder leads to cry. I'm yeah and that's what they're not talking about your bright Bratton. When he first came in the first time talked about fear crime and disorder and he talked to measure disorder, but you know when you see it, yeah. Well the reason why we have you here and we're going to talk about in the second half is because since crime is on the verge of going up and you were retired and he went on to be a commissioner in Yonkers. We're going to talk about that too. We've been thinking about shooting you up putting the cape on and put me back. Let me run on the street and fixing everything up for us. If you could we'd really appreciate that he can get me out of this. We want to hear about the culture it the in Yonkers pd2 as compared to the got a lot of shit that you with in the second half, you know. Yeah, you're pretty good guess though, man. Yeah. This is got the irishblondie man. You could just keep talking about that. We do the next comedy show that we have the police off the cuff, but we get together. We haven't have a deal to give him five minutes. Oh, you're gonna get more than five pounds off the crap. You're gonna get you and Rashad he wants to be a car mechanic it melted. 12 something like jokes. All right, so this was a great first hour with our guests and our net and we're going to be back. We're going to be back for the second half of the Year about the younger you experience in Yonkers.

Edmund Hartnett was appointed to the NYPD in November of 1979. He served in numerous commands including NSU #9, the 32nd, 48th, 46th and 24th Precincts as well as the Applicant Processing Division and Manhattan South Narcotics District. Ed commanded several NYPD units including the Drug Enforcement Task Force, the Quality Assurance Division, the 109th Precinct, Narcotics Borough Bronx and the Intelligence Division. Upon retirement from the NYPD, he served as Police Commissioner of Yonkers, the fourth largest city in New York State, from 2006 through 2011. After leaving the Yonkers Police Department, Ed then worked with former NYPD Police Commissioner, Bill Bratton, on police consulting projects in Los Angeles, Oakland CA, Detroit and Baltimore. Ed holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Fordham University, a Master’s Degree in Public Administration from Marist College and a Certificate in Police Management from the Columbia University Graduate School of Business. He is a graduate of the 169th Session of the FBI National Academy, the FBI National Executive Institute and the Executive Leaders Program of the Center for Homeland Defense and Security of the Naval Postgraduate School. Ed served as President of Brosnan Risk Consultants, a New York based security firm, from 2013 through 2018. He still provides consulting services to Brosnan as well as several other clients. Ed and his wife, Grace, have been married since 2004. Ed’s son, Matt, is an NYPD Detective assigned to the Emergency Services Unit. Matt and his wife, Kathy, have two daughters, Ava and Madelyn.

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Well, how about an American flag made in the USA by veterans out of Duty worn for Tiegs from all branches of the military. That is exactly what you you get wood combat Flags combat flags are handcrafted from Duty wore fatigues and offer a tangible piece of freedom to the American people. Each flag is accompanied by a professionally designed and printed card that tells the story of service of a soldier Marine Airman sailor or coastie who wore the fatigues used to make the flag. They are the real deal dad. So what are you waiting for? Visit combat flags.com and use the promo code father and first class fatherhood listeners will save 10% off their purchase veteran owned American made combat Flags.com promo. Father joining me now first-class father Eric Trump, welcome to First Class fatherhood. Thanks guys. I appreciate it. Let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I have I have two kids. We have a little boy named Luke and he's just over two years old and we have a brand-new daughter Carolina who is about four months and they're the loves of my life and they are they're credible and my son is obsessed with cars meaning the most partisan terms of physical cars and also cars at the end of the movie and little Carolina. She's she's being a baby right now, but she's she's just a greatest. Yeah, very cool. You got one and one you going to try to break the tie here with a 3000 all done. And now I think we're probably done. I think if you could if you could convince my wife to have another one I certainly would but now it's weird the last we've got we've got two great kids great boy great girl. And I think I think that's it for us. And I don has my brother. Don has 5 August 30 we have to until there's other funny kids in from family. Lee yeah I have for myself we had three boys that we got the girl on the fourth try if we didn't get around for we have 5 by now exactly exactly girls are incredibly special. I love her. Eric if you could do me a favor here just take a minute to hit my list was with a little bit about your background and what you do. Yeah. Well listen, my background is in a commercial real estate. That's what we do. We build hotels golf courses residential buildings commercial buildings. We finish a lot of them. We build them all over the world. We have got unbelievable courses. We have 19 courses around the globe spanning from the Pacific Ocean and in ela a meaning on the Pacific Ocean LA to the Charlotte a lot of courses down to Florida but through Always wanted very famous ones to Scotland. We have from Turnberry and Aberdeen and dune bag. And you know, I could go on and on we have two courses Dubai right now into being built in Indonesia. So we spent a lot of time in that world and obviously commercial buildings or something. That's very big for us Office Buildings retail and then, you know, a lot of residential and Wineries and a lot of other things and then more recently politics which is, you know, always plays an interesting role in and everybody's like this and you know, From kind of stamping perspectives and so we really live a crazy eventful life, but we're good people we fight for things that we believe in. We you know, our family is everything to us. I think there's probably not many families that kind of epitomize family more than we do in the way that we fight together we stick together and I hope I hope about the nation has seen that and you know, we love each other. We spend all our free time together. We're all best friends and It's a very big part of our respective lives. Yeah, very well said and you've had obviously some incredible experiences here, you know, your father being, you know in the inauguration of the 44th President of the United States, but how did the in shortly after that? You became a dad. So how did the experience of becoming a father kind of change your perspective on life? I think change your perspective in a big way, you know that inauguration was amazing. And you know, in fact yesterday was it was exactly three years to date at the inauguration. I circled the amazing picture of my you know, father's hand on a Bible and as you've taken the oath of office and it was you know, he's kids around him, you know, and I was kind of a very special moment for us as a family and it was myself Don Ivanka Tiffany Baron and you know and obviously milania. We're all surrounded him a we did that as a family and you know, you'll probably know that we saw together as a family throughout the whole campaign and we've always worked together as a family and you know, obviously a little who came into our lives right the end. In fact interesting story that I think is relevant. You know for this subject, but it was actually Inauguration night right after we got off a stage that I told, you know, the entire family that that Laura was pregnant with little Luke is very early on so we did announce it to the public but that I would actually really special day for us and in multiple ways Not only was he sworn in but we also pulled the whole family that and we're expecting our first child. And so it was you know, it was pretty amazing. And so, you know fast forward, you know, you you know, Laura gave birth obviously and you know as a little person comes into our life and it's Father's been mother. As you have no idea what you're doing. And then literally we had zero idea what the hell was what we were doing and figure it out very quickly, but you know, we put everything else in in real perspective for you. You know, somebody is that the trivial things that you worry about every single day don't really matter because every every night you show up and you get home and you know, you see something that you created which is just incredible and you know, I always I always tell people who aren't parents. It's amazing that you can have a child in the you know, the minute you see that child for the first and there isn't a single thing that you wouldn't do for that child and you know, if you know if it was a choice between a child and you it would be the easiest choice you made all day, you know, you do anything for that child and there's really something special about kind of you know, you know biological and religious and you know, I mean, it's so many different aspects plan to lift, you know the formation of that of that being and it's you know, it's pretty amazing thing and then I introduced a little girl into our lives was obviously incredibly special and you know, the one thing I take very very seriously if I try and wake them up every single morning now, obviously I travel a lot but I probably wake them up every single morning that I am around. I get them out of bed change the diapers and every single night that I am home. I put them to bed and put them in their crib and say good night and give the both cases and the I really really take that seriously see I read to them every single night again that I'm home and you know for Not that we do travel FaceTime I think is one of the great things that happened to do working parents because you know based I might get a couple times a day and it's it's a great way to stay connected, you know, and so, you know, they're a big part of my life as they are with all parents and I really love them to death. Yeah, very cool Eric. And one of the things I speak about often on my podcast here. I call it an attack on the family life. But there is there is a fatherless crisis that we have going on in our country here far too. Many kids are growing up without a dad in the home and it's having some devastating results in our society. Are you seeing this? And how can we as a nation focus on strengthening our family units? Yes, I do. We see it all over the place. I think the nation's he said, I think there's you know a lack of I think there's lack of fathers. I think there's a lack of families. I think there's a lack of Quite frankly discipline, you know and you know, I think I think the hardest thing that I'm going to struggle with and obviously I'm new into this game only having been a father for a couple years, but you know, what is that fine balance between being kind of you know, a father versus kind of being a friend and a mentor and I think those two have to work in conjunction, you know, you don't always want to be the friend because you need to be able to discipline at the same time. You want your kid to love you to death and you know, and and respect to you and want to be with you and want to be around you and You know, so I think it's I think it's fine balance. But you know, it's one that that I care to achieve. I also really, you know, I see so many kids these days and it was the exact opposite of how we were raised and that's public shocking based on the amount of stereotypes that there are about, you know us and this is who we are and perceived wealth and everything else. But you know, I really believe in making kids work. It's one of the things my father did for us and then we were 11 12 years old all summer. We're working on construction sites. We were still cutting A bar with acetylene torches. We were doing electrical work. We were doing we're digging ditches. We were cutting down trees with chainsaws. We were we were doing, you know, just you know any job and it's really, you know, really acted as foundation for who we are today and you know kind of what I do every single day which is build and develop another things and there's no one that knows more about HP AC than I do. There's no one that if I'm missing an outlet in my house, I'll literally go wire it up myself on the way in and you I have that ability. Ability from doing it every single summer because my father made us work and you see a lot of other kids who just don't do that. They don't work, you know, they don't have jobs. They mess around. They have a lot of free time oftentimes. I think free time leads to a lot of bad things. I've got plenty of friends who had a lot of free time and you know, they fell into a be a bad substance abuse and bed drug habits and and other things I mean when you take type a children at a young age and you give them a lot of free time, not too many. The things can come out of that. So my father was always a big believer built you're going to work and you're going to work for minimum wage and you're going to understand the value of a dollar and you're going to learn a trade and it's been honestly probably the most single handedly probably the most rewarding thing that's happened to me and my life is conditioning us from a young age teaching us the value of that dollar showing us true work ethic and teaching us a skill that we quite frankly otherwise wouldn't have. No one had we not Knock on forced into it. Yeah, very well said Eric and I know you mentioned discipline there. I know they're young yet. But what type of disciplinary and are you so far add the daddy was spanker a timeout guy. How do you handle discipline and who's the bigger disciplinarian? You know what I just had my first little episode with this couple weeks ago my son he woke up. He was in a bad mood and he had his first like true melt and I think every parents probably been there and I held him in my lap and I go listen, you're not what you're not winning this one. We had a stare-off honestly for 40 minutes. I would have stayed there all day. There's no way there's no way he was going to beat me at this game. And I literally and finally quieted down. He stopped his little meltdown. And as soon as he did we were, you know Off to the Races and but I was not putting up with the behavior and you know, it's funny. My mom came from I mean the chef de Vaca and she was very much a spanker. She lose the, you know, very old-school disciplinarian and you know obviously times have changed in the world has changed and that doesn't work today, but I have to say No, we all loved our mom. But we also very much respected our mom and we would get the hand across the but if we you know, if we were bad and you know, I mean she certainly had the fear of God in us, you know, you did not cross. / you said please you said thank you you open the doors, you know, you had great banners you always introduce yourself by your first name, and she really she drove that into us and you know, we ate everything that was on on the plate you weren't in the waste food. She was always very big into that and you know, there's something to be said about that as well. I obviously times have changed but you know, so I think I was raised by more of the spanking now, it's you know, I don't think I'm going to raise my kids who Lie by that but I think it's you know, I certainly will be firm with them and I will expect a high standard for them and I will expect them to have bleep manners and be productive people and do well in school and you know, and if they do that, I think they're gonna have very happy father. Yeah, very cool. And I know that you're a big Outdoorsman Hunter and fisherman. We just had the two a rally here yesterday and that down in Virginia all when do you think of you a good age or a safe age to start teaching your kids how to shoot? Yeah unless I think the earlier the better and you know, and I say that obviously you have to responsibly cetera et cetera. But you know, you know the shooting sports played such a large role in my life my grandfather on my mother's side. Whose big Outdoorsman he grew up fishing and The woods and he got done Night in the Woods a very young age we go over to what was then Czechoslovakia every summer for a couple months. And this was a very very blue collar area and you know, they give us pocketknife and on that would go out and play in the woods and see we had a great time and you know, we play the slingshot then we played we made bow and arrows and you know, we shot pelicans and and everything else that I gave us kind of Rebel be very unique appreciation for for the outdoors and you know, and and quite frankly formed them. Bond between Donna and I that is absolutely unbreakable. We're still in a best friends to stay and he's big fisherman and we both are and we are hunters and you know, we do a lot in a Shooting Sports. I do a lot of you know competitive shooting and a bunch of other things but you know, I certainly would love my son to to be into that. I think it teaches positraction. I think it teaches great discipline. I think it teaches responsibility and safety. Certainly I can tell you from my standpoint, you know, I mentioned kind of you know, what I saw was so many kids in New With drugs and alcohol and kill falling into really fat to add it to doing stupid things and know the Outdoor Sports and if you're going to go fishing in the morning and you have to be up at five o'clock or if you're in the woods in the morning and you're up at five o'clock or whatever it may be, you know, they structure your life in a certain way that so many other people they knew that didn't have that positive influence in their life didn't have and you know, many of those people went down a very very bad path that's influenced them for the negative for a long time to come. I always had those as positive influences in my life. I think they just contributed greatly and so, you know, I think every kid probably reaches an age of quote-unquote Readiness at a different time, but Luke will definitely be shooting BB guns and pellet guns and little bone arrows and you know slingshots and he'll definitely be out of the woods and I don't mind if he scratches himself once in a while and I don't mind if he bloody his knee up. I think it's all part of growing up and I might be a little bit of a traditionalist when it comes to that but It certainly you know, if he loves it and and likes it will certainly be a part of his life and quite frankly Carolina's life as well. Well, yeah, very cool. You mentioned there are a lot about you know, I'm a recovering alcoholic an addict myself here and I you know, it's been involved in my life since very early on I watched my father died alcoholism and it's something that I really admire about your dad that he doesn't he know he learned his lesson from watching what it does is showing people that he chooses not to drink and I love the fact that your family is so tight knit. I think a lot of us do see that now, I've only been on social media since I started this podcast and it's so brutal on there. I cannot think of anybody that been more viciously attacked other than your family so You kind of handle all of the trolls and haters, especially when they're insulting and threatening to people that you love. Why is first class fatherhood climbing to the top of the Pod casting charts? Listen to it? Dad's like UFC president Dana White legendary New York City radio host Greg tea and Navy SEAL David Rutherford have to say about the podcast. What a cool podcast is one of the coolest ones I've ever did and congrats. Seriously. I mean it what a cool podcast concept and I love it good for you man continued success dude. I love this podcast man. Your questions are phenomenal bro, but a nominal I am We happy and I can tell you honestly, I'm proud to be a part of it. Thanks for having me on thank you Alec and God bless you and what you're doing keep it up. I think the compiling this many fathers and this much great information is going to be invaluable in so many ways. So I wish you all the best brother. So let's go dad's we are not babysitters. We have fathers and we're not just father's we are first class father's subscribe to First Class fatherhood today. All right, guys, many of you have hit me up saying that you would like to start your own podcast and I am telling you right now anchor is the easiest way to get this done. Number one. It's free. I have never paid a dime to publish any of my podcasts and their creation tools allow you to record and edit right from your phone or your computer anchored those all the distribution as well. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more also you can make money with no minimum. Listen to Ship. It's everything. You need to make a podcast in one place. What are you waiting for it down? Load the free anchor app today or go to Anchored on FM to get started. It's something that I really admire about your dad that he doesn't you know, he learned his lesson from watching what it does is showing people that he chooses not to drink and I love the fact that your family is so tight knit and I think a lot of us do see that now, I've only been on social media since I started this podcast and it's so brutal on there. I cannot think of anybody that's been more viciously attacked other than your family. So how do you kind of handle all of the trolls and haters especially when they're insulting and threatening to people that you love? Well, you know, let me first go back to the part about my am my father and my father every And before I go to bed late for school, and he would always say listen kids. Remember one thing no drinking. No drugs. No smoking. No tattoos, you know and your you better get good grades. I mean, he said that this every single day no drinking, no drugs. No smoking and you better get great grades and so every day I hear that and now I was a five-year-old kid. I didn't know what breaking was I didn't know was smoking woes. I certainly didn't know what drugs were at that point, you know and and and and grades I don't think you're getting crazier probably playing with shapes and animals. Eels and you know other trivial things at that age, but I mean, he literally eaten before we understood what that meant. He started beating in our heads and you know, I'm incredibly thankful. He did and you know, it's really important. I think in terms of social media aspect time in the world has gone crazy. I have little Luke who again is you know, what twenty seven twenty eight months right now and you'll get attacked viciously by some grown man on Twitter. I'll post a picture of him and I sitting at the pool or you know down on a dock fishing or you know, the walking through the woods or doing something and you know, The comments that they come out and listen, the reality is, you know, those people don't speak for the masses. In fact, they are the minority in such a big way, you know, but you do have Savages out there and and unfortunately the world isn't always such an lollipops and rainbows, especially if you sit and kind of RC doing kind of what we're doing and fighting the way that we've to a thought and you will have grown grown men growing women going after a bear. When Trump who's a 14 year old boy or Tiffany Trump who's in law school and savagely attacked many stall that during the Ukraine hearings. You saw, you know, a former Ambassador go there and you know make fun of his name because his name is Baron and you know just because his name is Baron doesn't mean he's royalty and is apparent and the kid goes to school and he goes to soccer and he goes to bed and he does it again and I mean you literally have Savage grown-ups who will beat up on on the young innocent beautiful. Because they think it will get them something because they think it will hurt us because they think it will hurt the family because we get to my father. I mean they're they're sick. I mean, they're they're sick sick sick people and you know now there's two sides of this right, you know, the one side is it should always be condemned. Unfortunately the media very rarely ever does but there's another side to it which is you know, we've dealt with this a lot of Our Lives based on who we were and who we are and you know, I think it's kind of tough and us up and then a certain way maybe maybe that every abuse is actually what pave the way and got us ready to go on the journey that that we've been on and less couple years and you know tough and us up and get has given us that kind of fortitude to fight the nonsense and fight the personal attacks regardless of who you are regardless of political affiliation. It's disgusting that somebody attacks a two-year-old boy or four month old girl. Let me put some of the post I could show you where just incredible or that during a senate hearing their one yet. Fourteen-year-old kid who's now and I am not even high school. I mean, it's it it does show of a sickness to turn people that are out there. But again, they truly do represent a minority and and I think you know generally condemned by by virtually all yeah, I agree. It's very vicious and one thing for me Eric and I'm not sure you know, this is a blessing or a curse, but I do know that in-laws can create some drama in a relationship. My parents passed away before I met my wife my wife parents are divorced never been in the picture. So it's never been an issue for us. But I do know it takes a village to raise a child how has your relationship been with flowers family and the kids grandparents on that side. Now they say it's awesome Lawrenceville or has amazing family. Her mom dad her brother their incredible incredible people her dad is about as tough as it come played football and Purdue. He's a great football player and you know almost went off the NFL and you know, really a phenomenal athlete and you know, sometimes it's funny, you know sometimes will You know babying the kids are upstairs and hey Lucien to the age where you can walk downstairs and pretty comfortably and you know, I always walk in front of him. But you know at our house our whole house is it's childproof and then you go to a you know, you go to Grandma and Grandpa's house and obviously nothing's childproof and it's it's gonna hurt himself and you know, it's kind of funny. He's my father-in-law is right, you know, and you know, sometimes the difference in an age kind of the difference in philosophy having reached children before versus Of our maiden voyage not to mention probably the difference in time. Meaning, you know people who are raising kids and you know in the 80s versus you know, and you know it in 2020 it was kind of fun to see but they are phenomenal phenomenal people. They are amazing grandparents the kids absolutely. Love them. They want run wild and them, you know, it's a I think they can certainly learn a lot from the you know from from my father and mother-in-law. They're very cool. And it's similar to me my first son, you know, we gave him the same first name as me, but we switched up his middle name just like you did yours Frederick. You went with Lube. How come you guys decided to switch the middle name? Yes, I want Eric Eric. It was it's really His official is his true name of Derek Luke. We all Call Him Luke. Luke was Laura's grandfather's name and very special guy in her life kind of symbolically. And and so we like that name. It was short. It was kind of strong as powerful as a little bit different and kind of gave him gave him the option and I don't think Laura want to be running around the house yelling Eric Eric Eric. I mean can a two people come running every single time so I think And from a practical matter it ended up at end up working and then Caroline was very important to me and to my wife obviously. She's from North Carolina. She wore it worked very very hard fought very very hard to win that state in 2016 for our family and we want to buy one of the largest margins and in recent history for a Republican and you know, if you fought very hard but she loves the state that's where all her you know ties are and that's really where she Associates herself. You know, if week from She's you know, I don't think she's She called herself or New York or she'd parsed. I'll see you know person from North Carolina the Carolinas and so that was a you know, that was important to me when we ultimately named our daughter something that she really loved in a very cool. And I know that you brought it down recently dropped the book trigger that did very well. Are there any books in the making for you? And he project you're working on? What can we expect to see from you in the future here Paul? Listen You'll you'll see me out there fighting like hell on the campaign Trail, you know, what we're doing for this country is something that's very very important to me. It's really become very personal thing for me and we talked about some of the things that I think are going wrong. And I frankly so many things in my father and ran on my father's one guy who didn't need to take this job. He did it because he saw he knows the direction of this country and they're just going inaudible ways and you know, we sit on a bunch of the points but you know, look at our educational system in this country is straight at 30th and the world I think about that America had an educational system. That's right the 30th the world look at the family structure where you know, how many kids didn't have Fathers or or mothers and the family system was deteriorating look at the you know, taking of kind of religion out of out of schools and out of just about every aspect of our life and there was a full-out war on religion and not just, you know, not just poop organized religion, but also, you know one on Customs values in Americans hold true, you know Christmas upto New York, if you if you walk down the street. You said Merry Christmas to somebody I mean they would look at you to give you bad luck. Like how dare you possibly say that to me and I mean we were losing our culture's Losing our values we are losing our educational system. We are losing this country's ability to stay safe and protect themselves within our military was totally run down. Our economy wasn't doing well jobs are going overseas. It was providing it much harder for parents to really take care of children and live that American dream and take them to Disney World. I mean people hadn't seen wage increases and in well over a decade. I'm a could go on and on them and GDP growth. It was abysmal and this country, you know, you're a point eight percent point nine percent GDP growth under under Obama. You had 10 plus percent unemployment During certain periods of time under under, you know, under Obama and look at it. Today wages are growing the fastest I've ever grown unemployment the lowest it's ever been female unemployment's you know, if the bestest ever ever been the same with Hispanic and African-American and you know, I could go on and on consumer confidence is through the charts for one case or are off the charts. I mean, they literally doubled in value for one. The average 401K in the last three years, you know the amount of the amount of money that's been pumped into system but really be, you know, the amount of benefit toward the you know, kind of lower middle classes in this country has been astronomical and what does that ultimately do? It creates a better family situation. It creates more opportunities for you know again parents to take kids on vacation. It's it helps in terms of Education. It helps in terms of childcare. Ivanka's Champions so many different Child Care programs and you know family Family benefit programs and tax incentives and and I mean I could go on and on for hours. But this is a calling that is deeply deeply personal to us. This country was going in the wrong direction. There's no question about it. And I think my father is really right at the ship it just about every aspect of that, you know, some things that are unpleasant to talk about and then other things that you know have been incredible and I think the family structure it's going to do better off because of that. It's really one of the reasons I fight as hard as I do. Yeah, and I'm glad that your family is because really Erica, I think a lot of us see it and I really don't even understand what the argument is other than an emotional argument when it comes to your dad as a present because the results have been just astronomical of what he's done so far in a short period of time with so many people just against them slinging mud. So you can only imagine if more people were just on board here how much further he could take us. So I wish you guys all the best of luck with the upcoming elections last thing. I want to hit you with here Eric. I love to ask all the dads that I get on the podcast. You're fairly new into the game here some Hear your answer. What type of advice do you have for that new dad or for that about to be father? Who's out there listening? Oh, wow. Well, you know the first the first day we came home a little Luke and you know, Laura send me to the you know, we're actually pretty good planners, right? So I said it's a little nursery and I said a little prayer that everything the one thing that we didn't have were newborn size diapers. So when I end up going to the CVS or Duane Reade or one of these places and I'm in the diaper section. I'm just staring at all these diapers and I have no idea what the hell does system is right? Where now - No, obviously, it's 1 2 3 4 5 but for one is there's an in diaper and that's like the newborn diaper. Right? So instead of just having newborns in ones they're actually technically in ends and I'm sitting there looking at the rack of diapers just staring I have no idea. What is going on. I have no idea what to buy listen to the advice is probably have fun with it. All of us go into it not knowing anything about you over and and we figure it out and we can be remarkable influences in their lives and you know put your kids to bed and read him, you know or her their favorite book at night and wake them up in the morning be the first face they see and you know the last you know, the last face they see before they go to bed the first face they see when they wake up and you know, if you can't because you have a job and you travel hey, I'm certainly guilty of that probably more so than anybody will be the parent that's that's present and call them or FaceTime them and speak to them and see you know and spend time with them and Mentor them and You know pray with them and do know be a parent. I mean, I think the most Joy I get is, you know when I sit down and I would Luke and his one of his favorite books is the little blue truck and he read them little blue truck and his eyes just totally light up a minute if it's an amazing feeling that you know, I think only parents could understand, you know, I think if you would have told me I would have felt that way pre, you know, even two days pre that may be coming out. I would I would have never actually believed you in so I think we can play an amazing. Attribution to our kids I think quite frankly Society. No father's he could be playing more of a contribution to their to their children and you know, if there are special gift and we're incredibly fortunate and I think they give us and they quite frankly it probably taught my kids to probably taught me more about myself then maybe I'll ever teach them about themselves, but it's amazing thing and you know, I love fatherhood and it's been has been a roller coaster and it's been a lot of fun and I'm still learning every single day, but it's something I do take very seriously. Yeah, very well said I love the message has been an honor for me. I got to say Eric Trump your first play of follow all the way and thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time on first class fatherhood's it's been a pleasure back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again to Eric Trump for giving me a few minutes of his time here. It was such an honor. Hit me up on Twitter guys to drop me that DM on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode of always. Love to hear your feedback lock it in. I got a fresh Frogman Friday edition of first-class fatherhood coming your way to cap off the week active duty Navy SEAL. John mccaskill will be joining me here on the podcast. He is getting ready for his retirement and life after the teams. Don't miss out on that one. That's all I got for you guys today. Thank you for tuning in. I'm Alec lace. You have been listening to First Class fatherhood. And please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers and we're not just fathers. We are first class fathers.

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Hello and welcome. You're listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Capricorn season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm an artist an astrologer and a somatic intuitive in these audio horoscopes all outline. What I perceive as the main areas of focus for each sign in the month ahead and give you creative embodied and practical suggestions. As for working with this season's biggest opportunities and challenges remember that horoscopes describe general energies and it's up to you to get specific listen with your intuition turned on and your mind open take what works leave the rest. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born. 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So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Aries, welcome to your horoscope for Capricorn season as I mentioned in the introduction this horoscope. I'll be focusing on the energy of the astrology. I'm not going to talk about what planet is doing what I'm going to try and use this time to clearly articulate what I feel as I look at your chart with the sensations are and where they're happening in your chart and if you Like more astrology information check out the subscription offerings. There's a lot of information there Capricorn season is bringing a lot. This is a culmination of energy that has been building for a long time. You can even look back at the last decade to kind of understand some of the origin of what is coming up for Reckoning with this month and a lot of people are at really Important places of change and pivotal moments in their lives there could be breaking moments. There could be crisis moments. There are definitely breakthrough possibilities and it all depends on on how you're working with what's coming forward. So the season starts off with this feeling that you are ready for a new kind of future you may have read Point of significant completion. There may be some way that a new doorway is opening up for you or your recognizing the next step in something that you've been working on for a really long time for some people. This is going to have social consequences and it might be that new relationships are now available. You might be leveling up in terms of your networks or finding some some freedom from relationships that haven't been serving. You but there is a sense that the the future is Broad and you want freedom and the way that you're going to move towards freedom is changing a little bit because your values are changing and your ideas of what happy and successful and content life and what a free life what freedom feels like these are really changing. So as your values change and as your priorities shift, New Opportunities become available to you and this might mean new relationships and it might mean new possibilities that you view for your future as your values change your receptivity also changes and so you can bring in different kinds of qualities into your life. Now you can attract differently. It's important for you to be working flexibly and adaptively with your relationship to resources right now. This is true. Now definitely within Capricorn season, but it's it's a phase that you're in for the next number of years. What is resource is going to shift a lot for you and sometimes it's going to be money and sometimes it's going to be connections or people. Sometimes it's going to be your own self. Sometimes it's going to be your body. Sometimes it's going to be a place. So try and be really open-minded about what serves you What sustains you and look for the ways that you can give yourself what you need in new ways. And so if you're a person who has really oriented around needing something in particular, let's say you're a very Financial security minded Aries and you're like, okay. I need to have X amount of money every single month. Otherwise, I'm going to freak out. I want to encourage you to start to just play with adapting that mental habit because it might mean that you actually open yourself to receiving more financial abundance and it might also mean that you get less concerned about what amount is coming in you start to open your minds to other possible sources of support and sustenance and this is a big thing big key for you right now is that there's a lot of support for you in unseen and unknown places. There's a lot of support for you in the spiritual realm and however, you want to think about That if you want to think about your ancestors watching over you if you want to think about Spirit guides if you want to think about your higher self, if you want to think about Universal intelligence their support for you there there is a way that you can tap into a greater energetic flow and Cosmic resonance and vibration and you want to be open to what wants to be given to you and what wants to be given to you is not always and might even rarely be what you think you wanted. So what your values change let Priorities change let your desires change be open-minded and open yourself to these other Realms to these other possibilities. This is a really powerful time for you to be working with subtle Consciousness is a really powerful time for you to be working with prayer. I have an image of you kind of just walking with a blindfold right now and feeling like there are you know again this year in this moment of things you've been working towards for a long time. It'd be really shifting. They might be shifting externally or your internal process around how you're orienting towards the might be really shifting. And so the future is unknown. There's a lot of freedom in the future. If you can be open to what is there. And in order to be open to what's there? You really want to surrender to a higher and greater power. Now, I believe that there's infinite intelligence in the universe. I believe that we have all kinds of spiritual Guardians and allies. I believe that we have our Our soul or Spirit selves our higher selves that we can connect with that can really provide valuable Direction. And if you haven't already checked out my guided meditations, you can go to SoundCloud and just search embodied astrology and you'll find a collection of guided meditations. There are almost 80 at this point and a lot of them focus on connecting to your intuition connecting with Source listening to your higher self Etc and I can't recommend enough that you take up these And practices whether or not it's with my meditations or your own guidance or other teachers. This is a goldmine for you right now, the more that you can learn to listen to your inner intelligence to your Divine connections, the more the more there is for you and there's so much for you. There's so much in your future. There's so much in your freedom. There's a lot that wants to be given to you now. I do want to say that for some of you that might be hitting your ears and you're like what because there is something that's happening that feels like a pressure point and it could be a significant ending point with something that you have been working to achieve and manifest for a long time and some of you will be experiencing this in a more distressing way and and some of you will be experiencing this in a more liberating feeling way at the moment, but all of you anyone whose areas identified has been going through some amount of trauma and turbulence around your, you know, your your your path what you're trying to do with your life what you're trying to manifest what you're trying to achieve for a while and I think you've been going through some kind of intensity and this intensity may be very internal with yourself kind of working through your own limitations your own desires your own insecurities that cetera this kind of intensity may be very external where you might be going through some kind of experiences in whatever you're applying yourself towards that are really testing you and testing your limits. The the thing that you have been building whatever it is and what it is has something to do with your life work. It has something to do with the way that you want to be in the world. So some of you this is going to be in your Your vocation but some of you this might mean something else it could it could mean you know, who you think you are in the world or something like that Beyond career. So where was I going with this? Okay. So whatever it is that you've been building is in a state of restructuring and the state of restructuring has been going on for a little bit for the last couple of years, but there's been this kind of intense driving. If that has been going on for longer than that, that's kind of underneath and what's happening in Capricorn season as we're kind of like right in the middle of it between the 10th and the 13th of January is a culmination of energy that brings things to a head. It brings things to a reckoning point and you're probably already feeling this. You're probably already working with this energy. There's the Pinnacle of energy that comes in in these couple of days, but the main message here that That I feel like is important to give you is that whatever it is that you are building for your life and that you're building in the world. It needs to have a solid foundation and the foundation needs to be a foundation of care of comfort of emotional intelligence and emotional coherence. And that means that you need to be emotionally aligned with what you're doing in your life. It needs to be something that resonates for you in a way that feels caring that feels like you can rest. If you are applying yourself to working in the world and you're in a constant state of stress and a kind of low-grade trauma response because you're always feeling the need to defend you're always feeling the need to fight for something and for an Aries identified person. The battle is really compelling. I want to say that you have to find a different way to fight you have to find a different way to apply. Your energy and your desire to succeed and Achieve because what you want to succeed and Achieve right now is sustainability. You want to you want to develop something that you can live with and grow with for a really long time and that means that your energy has to be cared for it has to be attended to and whatever it is that you're doing in the outer World should not detract from whatever it is that you're wanting. In a cultivate and manifest in your inner world and by that, I mean in your emotional world and I also mean in your family and at home and what's close to you and what's dear to you. So work with your process work with whatever it is that you're applying yourself towards and listen to the the subtle and the Little voices in you that are going to slow down or hey take time to feel or you know what that doesn't. So much and your mantra for 20:28 can be give less fucks. You don't need to care as much about external forms of achievement and validation do not try and fit yourself into molds created by white supremacist capitalist. Patriarchal structures that are good for nobody on Earth. They are not good for you. It doesn't even matter if you think you might benefit from them, they they lead to suffering they lead to environmental Devastation. They lead to relational and Equities, it's not something that you want to perpetuate what you want to devote your time and energy to our ways of being in the world through your vocation through your talents through whatever it is that you're manifesting that are sustainable and that have integrity and that means that the emotional core that the feeling vibration of something that the relationships within whatever it is that your building are intact and they're healthy and they're vital. There are two eclipses this month. There is a solar eclipse on December 25th 26th, depending on where you are in the world at four degrees of Capricorn. So check your natal chart. If you are an Aries Rising, there is a good chance that Capricorn rules your midheaven. It might not but if you're Aries Rising it may be that Capricorn is on your midheaven. So definitely check your chart and see if you Of the midheaven or any other planets at 4 degrees of Capricorn or just around three or five this Eclipse will be definitely potent for you. So the big theme of this eclipse is Letting Go it's letting go of old tired ways of being that keep us laboring and oppressed and restricted in our energy and non-relational and for you this is applied particularly to your Pursuits and And your path? So on this new moon and solar eclipse around Christmas day lay to rest any Ambitions that do not serve your greatest vitality and well-being and the vitality and well-being of the communities that you want to nourish and nurture you and your life on January 10th. And remember the 10th through the 13th are some Crux days and the astrology of Capricorn season. There is a full moon and lunar eclipses so we know that Energy is going to be high is going to be potentially quite intense and maybe fairly erratic lunar eclipse energy can really work with our emotions and this particular lunar eclipse for you is highlighting family and home space when it comes to the ways that you have been pursuing your life and the outer world the Ambitions that you have in your life. I'd really like to invite you to think about how these Ambitions relate to your home and your family experience and how you want to be in balance between your more public outer life and your inner Family Life how you want to be in balance between your work and your home this particular lunar eclipse is really calling you home. And I mean that in a very general way, so take it in the way that's relevant for you, but it's calling you into a state of Anchoring and stability within yourself. You want to form those stable connections to your own internal Guardians to your inner child Etc. And in whatever way as possible be present with the people around you be present with your home your environment your family Etc check in with me at the new and the full moons. I always offer lunar Attunement a creative practice a ritual a guided meditation of some kind to help you work with the lunar energy. If you can get those by signing up for my free newsletter, or you can follow me on Instagram or Facebook both at embodied astrology and I'll post about them. They're a lot more in terms of astrology. If you want to learn more about what the planets are doing and how I interpret these planetary motions, please become a subscriber you can subscribe by donation of any amount per month your subscription money helps me make free horoscopes such as this and podcast every month and keep my prices accessible to all I'm wishing you all the The best in Capricorn season and Beyond. Thanks so much for listening and bye for now just a reminder that I'll be offering to Live Events the weekend of January 4th in Portland, Oregon and I would love to see you there check the show notes for more info or go to embodied astrology.com and find my live events in the Play and Learn section. Happy New Year.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Capricorn Season in 2019/2020. Capricorn Season extends between December 21, 2019 - January 20, 2020. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Break Down to Breakthrough - Embodied Astrology for Capricorn Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Capricorn and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world and I’ll discuss some of the potent transits happening in Capricorn season linking us to cycles that have deeply influenced our world for the past 500 years. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Capricorn represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Capricorn season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/episodes/Break-Down-to-Breakthrough---Embodied-Astrology-for-Capricorn-Season---December-21--2019---January-20--2020-e9lvfs Get the Capricorn Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Welcome back to kicking goals with Georgia Perry. Thank you to our major sponsor diverse electrical contractors for making this episode possible. So today's episode is a little different. My guest is Katie bills who is a qualified nutritionist a hardcore fitness trainer and a dear friend of mine. So Katie and I work together at Lorna Jane. We're both passionate about all things fun fitness and the fashion and I'm sure we can definitely We match a quality outfit when it comes to Colors Styles and patterns KTV. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for having me on I'm so glad our schedules could finally align both very busy people ready to make some magic. So it's currently theriot for but I'm sure you've already achieved a lot Katie throughout your day. What does your morning routine look like? So my morning starts off extremely early. Being a fitness coach. So I basically I'm up at four o'clock in the morning. My alarm goes off and I am basically ready to go. So I get everything packed up. I get all of my meals ready for the day. They're already cracked those. I just basically take them out of the fridge put them in a bag get my gym gear together. And one thing that I make as a routine everyday is I read a book called The Daily stoic you heard of that before I haven't will have to add. It through after oh no. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a really interesting book and it just kind of helps open up insights towards your mindset for the most part and it's just one page a day. So all of the pages are lined up as per the dates you open it up to the page of the date and have a read about it. And I usually take about 5 or 10 minutes to think about what that actually means to me and how I can apply it into my life. So do that and then basically I've got like a couple minutes to Ready before I gotta jump in the car and during that time I either look for a podcast to listen to or I go back to listening to an audiobook or I call my parents back home because the timing lines up really well for the job over to work. So if you haven't noticed already, but it has a bit of an accent. Where are you from Kane? I'm from Canada originally. So I've been in Australia for almost nine years now. Wow, that's beautiful. So there's a few questions. I love to start with so Alison is can find out a little bit more about you. Yeah. So first question is who inspires you I think the people that inspire me are my clients and my members I pushed my clients. If you ask any of my clients members, I pushed them a lot and I make them push the boundaries and the way that they take on those initiatives and they succeed with them. I find that super inspiring to myself. Kind of coming from different ways. So coming in from as opposed to being able to actually connect with somebody that way but then also seeing somebody where they thought they may have never been able to accomplish something and then accomplish it so that's probably like my biggest inspiration that I've got. That's beautiful. So early morning sometimes must be really tough. But what does motivate you to wake up in the mornings? Probably the same thing like I live and breathe for my clients my members it literally puts just puts a smile on your face every single day you get to see them and you know going into the gym or going to a concert and meeting up with somebody and hearing about what they've achieved is just like that keeps you going. So whether it's somebody achieve like the first pull-up or the got the first double under or they managed to stick to their diet over the weekend those little things like make you want to get up and see them again. And it sounds like your workspace is a really great place to be we're about to be working. So I worked out of a couple different areas. So I am a nutritionist. So I do a private practice where I'm pretty much mobile. So I move around wherever I also work for a company called cult Wellness where I'm stationed in Serpentine, so a regional part and then also through canning Vale where I work at a company called result Based training. Being as a coach and a nutritionist there. Well busy busy busy a little serious, like kicking amazing job. So Katie, why food? Why did you decide to study nutrition? So this is a bit of a long story. So it goes back to I think there's a I was 18 at the time and believe it or not. My first round of uni, I went to UNI for fashion design. Wow, that's why we've started working a lot of Jane together. Yeah. The present extent of fashion that my life went to but yeah, it's sort of in fashion design and it was my first time being away from home and I obviously like the stress of uni and everything like that was taking a toll on me, but I was not feeling a hundred percent when I was at Uni. I was falling asleep in class. I was drinking a lot of fluids because I was constantly thirsty and the fourth year students. They were doing a fashion show at the end of this semester. Stir and they were choosing first-year students to be models for them. So I got chosen by a couple of people and we would go through fittings each week and each week. The girls would do fittings on me. They'd have to take the clothes in because I had lost weight again and they started getting angry at me because I kept losing weight and they kept telling me like you need to be eating because we can't have you losing weight, but I was eating so much food and I didn't understand why this was happening didn't get it. Anyway the year went on and then it came to UNI break and I Back home to visit my family and my parents had to look at me and be like, you know, something's something's not right here. So we went to the doctor and the doctor started asking me questions about like what I was doing at Unis. I told me was doing fashion design. I told him I was doing modeling work because of the fourth year students and I was away from home and has started to try and like put two and two together and then basically pulled my mom aside and told told her that he was under the assumption that I was either anorexic or bulimic. Me and my mom knew right away that I wasn't because she had seen me eat and she knew what was going on. So she she demanded like other research to be done. So they ended up doing blood work on me and they sent me home and then they called me back when they got the results in and they told me to go to the hospital right away. So I went to the hospital and at that point I got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. So a typical blood sugar level for like yourself would be sitting at about like 5 Seven and then when I got admitted to the hospital, I was at a 46 so they were surprised I wasn't in a coma at that point. I was really bad but during that whole time period I had a dietician come in to talk to me because obviously I needed to understand diet a little bit better and understand how to manage carbohydrates and that kind of thing so she came in and I didn't know a whole lot about it, but I knew that there was certain extent of foods that I should be aware of. And be careful of having type 1 and so I asked her I said, you know, what foods do I need to stay watch of what do I need to be concerned about and she told me that I could eat anything that I wanted as long as I took enough insulin for it. And that just sounded really strange to me and then she proceeded to tell me that at every meal that I had I either had to have bread pasta rice cereal or some form of grain and because I was young and I didn't really know a lot about nutrition and obviously hearing that from a professional being a vulnerable environment you take their word for it. So I went home and started practicing what he told me making sure that I had some form of like carbohydrate every single meal. And obviously the time I was very underweight because I was so sick. So I needed to gain some weight, but I ended up gaining more weight than what I should have changed and I was not at a healthy State and it was really hard to control my blood sugar levels having that many carbs every single meal that I was having. So I started to kind of do my own research and I became my own guinea pig. So I've basically like started doing my own thing and I did any kind of diet you could possibly think of so I was vegan. I was vegetarian. I also did the raw diet. So doing the raw diet in Canada during the middle of winter when it's freezing cold and having to have like a cold meal for every single meal that you have is not fun. So that didn't last very long and that you gave it a good girl good girl. Yes, and then I came across paleo and that was when paleo was not very well recognized at the time and nobody really knew what it was about. But that was the first diet that I started that really connected with me. I started to drop the weight. My energy levels were back and I was managing my blood sugar levels a lot better. So once I got all of that kind of sorted I started to really think about the other people that were, you know going to hospital or receiving the same kind of information that I got and I wanted to help other people because I knew that obviously the information that I had gotten was not ideal. My situation so I wanted to really be able to help other people and then I contemplated going back to UNI because I really do want to go back again. So basically I waited until I came to Australia and then it was just kind of like a no-brainer. It was something I really wanted to do. So I went to UNI and got my official paper that says that I can talk to people about nutrition. So that was a big thing for me. I didn't want to be just anybody that would tell people what to eat. I wanted to make sure that I had the proper qualification to do that Angie. That was kind of like the reason why I got into it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's very inspiring and I'm sure that's going to be a great help for those people out there that are going through similar things what you've been through and yeah, I'm sure they don't be afraid to reach out to Katie as well. If you've got any nutrition questions sent. Yeah, that's great. So Katie, what does your average daily intake of food and look like I'm quite interested in this. Okay, so I am currently doing what we call a carb cycle. So I have two days a week where it's higher carbohydrates and then the other five days are lower carbohydrates and I just find that this method works well for me because I obviously have not not a social life, but I'm quite busy. So like weekends I tend to be out for breakfast or you know, there's always something going on. So those high-carb days give me a little bit more flexibility in terms of how to manage my macros. So like my low-carb day, I'm looking at 1520 calories where I've only got 70 grams of carbs. And then so that that one so for the low carb day it would be higher in fat lower in carbs. And then my high carb day is 1860 where I've got over 200 grams of carbohydrates. So I've got a lot of carbohydrates in that day and basically those so those high-carb days I've split up on like Wednesday is I Canta and Sundays hike object from you. So that gives me some flexibility in terms of what I can do. I mean without ammonia social times about when you go out for dinner or kind of yeah, it just it just makes things easier. So like if something does come up and I can even move my high-carb days. So right now it's stationed at Wednesday and Sunday, but say I have a breakfast with a friend on Saturday, then I can move my Sunday high carb day to Saturday and it makes it easier to manage and stay within my calories and macros and it's something to look forward to as well. Yeah and talking about calories and I know for me I did I had a mixed relationship with food and I think after doing my ACL and yeah having an injury, I really fell into the Trap of calorie counting and becoming really obsessed with food and what I was putting in my body, I really struggled for a good three to four months and yeah had to implement some strategies and Repeat that positive thinking to get myself out of that. And yeah, I really really struggled with that. So forming a negative relationship with food can really have damaging effects, especially being women. So yeah, how what Ru what's some advice that you can give to girls out there to help get out of that that mind frame of when you feel like you've got a negative relationship with fruit what some steps that you can take to get back on track. I think it's more more of a self-assessment that you need to be doing but even talking to a professional so like for myself if I have a client that comes in I always make sure that I meet with them in person first so I can get to know them and understand them and as a professional you can kind of pick up on those things right away the way that they talk about food the way that they talk about how they track if they check those types of things. So an intelligent professional should be able to pick those things up and then work into a diet that suits them. So in terms of like a selfish Assessment it would be more so taking yourself away from the scales taking yourself away from tracking and just doing more I guess what we call intuitive eating. So understanding what your body actually needs to be fueled and I always try and Implement like a journal of some sort. So talking about so when you eat breakfast in the morning, so before you eat breakfast, how are you feeling after you eat breakfast? How are you feeling and sort of create like a symptom / mood diary. So then you know, like how these foods are making you feel and if you come more focus in terms of like the body as a whole rather than seeing like, oh my God to the scales moved to LA and then also thinking about focusing on other things other than food. So in terms of like we always think about all I want to lose 10 kilos or I want a job body weight one drop body fat we can start thinking about so if you are training then we look at training goals instead and then the food is used as just as a fuel. So then your training goals become the most important aspect of unit. To remove that thought process of thinking about what the ocean. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so maybe it's achieving a pull-up for the first time a string pull up for the first time. So then you would Implement a program for that. So then it becomes that major Focus if they start thinking about rather than focusing on the foods. Wow, that's so powerful and I can definitely relate the scales. I yeah don't use scales anymore. And I think that you know, I go more with what how my body's feeling. Yeah if I feel like this week. I can go run 10 case I'm going to go run 10ks, but I'm not going to never do that. Yeah, I really do listen to my body now. Yeah, and I'm in more of a direction of yoga Pilates walking and that sort of Direction and being being come on my body and eating fun Foods you're eating colorful for those who think so that's the thing. So, you know food has two different ways. We can go even go through obviously like our body composition So Physical connection with our body, but then also the emotional connection like a Kid, you know like the foods that made you happy in life having this family get-togethers and like you always remember like the meals that mom cooked in those types of things. There's always that emotional connection with food and we tend to forget about that when we become more like an adult I guess. Yeah, and how important is we're just sitting at a table at the moment, but how important is it actually to remove Tech and actually sit down and enjoy a meal especially when you're doing something like we were talking about so that Intuitive eating so when we're doing something like that. We're not actually counting macros and calories. It's really important to remove all distractions. So we want to be focusing on the task at hand, which is obviously eating. Yeah and like I was saying like using the journal but you can even do this mentally so like while you're eating your like, how is it making you feel once you get to the 3/4 of your plate done? How do you feel now? Are you feeling Fuller? Are you feeling still really hungry and then giving yourself time to actually chew the food taste the food enjoy the food. Right like a good spot, right? Enjoy it especially if you've taken a lot of time in the cake in the kitchen to prepare it or you spent a lot of money to dine somewhere like you want to be able to actually enjoy what you're having so curious. Well, we're on this topic. Yes. Do you have a recommendation of a restaurant or a cafe that yeah has some really amazing Foods. Yeah. I mean like so I think the original question was talking about like a healthy Cafe and I mean For me like healthy is such a subjective term and it depends on what your goals are. If your goals are to eat food to make you really happy then that's really different to somebody who needs to be down to 10% body fat. So like I think healthy is such a subjective term. But if you know what your goals are, then you can go into a cafe and have kind of a plan of attack but my favorite Cafe is moment Mary Street Bakery is just like a solid Choice like they do. Six probably the best that any Cafe can possibly do recently. I've been to someday coffee and cocoa. They have such a real if you go there make sure you ask to be seated in the back section. They've got this really cute like little patio area in the back and their food is amazing. The coffee's great and services amazing there as well. And then the other one will probably be another Cafe called good things and they just do some really different. Different really creative meals there as well. Yeah judging by the name. I already have a sound like a pretty good thing. So Katie, I put up a question box for our listeners on Instagram. Yeah, and I chose three of the questions to ask you. So the first one was from back in Western Australia. So back said I'm single and on a budget. I feel like most meal plans are for families or couples. I hate wasting food, but I also don't know. Start right, so that's easy like this. So it might seem very overwhelming because you've only got one of you and nobody's there to help you but you've actually got a really easy. So I would suggest that meal planning is ideal for something like that, especially for being a single person and I would assume because most people are busy these days. We've all got really busy lives and time is probably not super available all the time. So things like meal planning can make it really easy. And you can cook like multiple meals with just one recipe. So things like things I would do is like even just cooking up a big batch of like chicken turkey or beef. Mince and just do it plain. So then when you have it, then you can add different things to it to make it different meals. So cooking in bulk, but doing it very very basic so you can add different things to it as you go along throughout the week slow cookers. I like my best friend. They're the best thing in the world. Makes everything super easy. You can literally just chop everything in it and then leave it for a couple of hours and then it's done in terms of being on a budget. This is always a big thing people think healthy. They always think that it's going to be really expensive but you can be really careful in terms of the things that you purchase and make sure you're purchasing them being mindful of what your goals are I guess but like things like mints eggs, they're super affordable types of protein being to be taking in if you cook in bulk for Rice like that super cheap as well and then veggies if you go to a farmers market, you can always get a really good deal there as well. So it's just a matter of planning I think is probably number one priority and then managing your time wasting food. So the other thing is like if you make a lot of meals, there's no reason why you can't freeze them. So like if we make a big batch of something and then by like day three, we know that we're not going to get Even during the week. I always package them up. So they're already portioned out and then pop them in the freezer. So then if I'm stuck when we can I'm out of time and I don't have enough time to do any cooking that I know that I've got already portioned out meals ready to go and just take them out of the freezer. That's brilliant. I'm just nodding my head as we go. So the next question was what is your relationship like with food? This was from Russia in Brisbane? And okay. That's okay. I guess it's kind of a very Broad. Broad question. So for me I've been doing this for ages now. So I've been practicing so when I first started getting a really big interest in nutrition, I was extremely strict. So I went a hundred percent paleo and that was more so coming from being a newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. I just really wanted to become healthier and better so I stuck with that for probably a good year and I was extremely extremely strict but I feel like as you progress And you learn more the more flexible you can become as well. And I know it's really cliche to say but I am more so like an 80/20 person. So like even talking about like my calories and stuff like that there are days where I don't track I know relatively how many calories I'm taking in but it's not like, oh my God, like I got my goal was to get 15-20 today and I bought 15 25, and I'm going to lose my shit because so I myself Something I'm overly concerned about and I know how to manipulate my calories the following day. So if I go way over they something was unplanned and I go way over I have done enough practice to be comfortable the next day and the next day maybe in the next week to manipulate my calories to make sure that I still kind of stay within range, but I'm not somebody that stresses a lot over I guess. Looking up. It's probably not a like the best way for a nutritionist explain this but this is like this is me in reality. So yeah, this is not to say that somebody who's new who has never died before never really thought about nutrition before should be doing something like this. This is because I've done years and years and years of practice of it and I'm also training consistently making sure that I'm hitting everything consistently. So if I have a day of a slipper then it's easier for me to stay. On track because I've implemented those habits and I have the controlled via mindset. He's out exactly. Yeah. So the third question was fast food is easy, but so is gaining weight. What is a good choice? This is from Amanda? Okay. So yes fast food is easy. Okay, but so is gaining weight. So this is again like so this is big As well because my time my free time is not a lot. So like I don't get a lot of free time. So I need to make sure that I time manage really well and this is kind of coming back to like Amanda's question. So a good choice would be making sure that you plan your week out. So making sure that you reserve a couple of hours during the weekend or whatever time you have the free time to do it make a grocery list go shopping prepare your food get it planned out. So then you set yourself up for a success for the week. If you don't do that, then you're bound to fail you need to be able to have things put into place. You can create these habits. So it becomes easier and easier each week. If you do this one week to say you prepare your food one week and then the next week you like should have been out of the store again. Sorry, that's just me if you so say the next week comes along and you just have not prepared you are going to fall into To your old habits of going out to Red Rooster or wherever you tend to go to get your fast food. So it's implementing strategies to make sure that you do this week in and week out and making sure that it's easy for you to do it. So we talked a lot about how like pre-washed and pre-cut veg is such a waste of packaging and money and Etc. But if this comes down to a point where you look you come home from a farmers market, you've got a bunch of vegetables. Vegetables sitting in your crisper and you look at them and then you look at your phone at overeats. And then you look at them and then you look at your phone overeats. And then you look at them again. If they I can't be EFT to sit and clean and chop and cook all of this. Then I would much rather you go to Willie's of coals and picked up the pre-wash precut veggies so you can stay on track. So it's a matter of figuring out your priorities and how they work and figuring out how much time you have and how to Time so I like to try and spend as the least amount of time in the kitchen as I can when I do food prep. So I make sure that the meals that I do our meals that I have done before so I'm not reading like a recipe for the first time. It's taken me hours to do something in the kitchen. It's always meals that just take me a couple of minutes to put together maybe a couple like 20 minutes to cook and I can do something else while I'm cooking it as well. So like multitasking becomes really important in the case put on the podcast. And wisely people. So yeah, that's kind of my recommendation for that and something I'd also like to add that if you are going on a lot for fast food and you feel like you're doing lots of different social things that result in going to take out. Why don't you be the one to suggest where you go? And why don't you pick a healthier option like going to health freak cafe or maybe the raw kitchen and you know, maybe your friends haven't tried those type of foods, but Opportunity that you can introduce them hundred percent to a healthy version of food understand even if you are going out analyze the menu before you go so then you can make like an educated decision and I always tell my clients this don't be afraid to be an asshole. Okay, ask questions. There are so many people that are on diets that have allergies chefs and waitresses are used to having these questions. So if you see something on the menu, but it's not quite what you want to be having and you think that like you could ask to it for it to be cooked a different way. Ask the question don't be afraid to do that and also referred to us Sarah's Day breakfast. She always picks her own breast breakfast and I absolutely love it like Go full steam ahead and choose exactly what you want. If you want to have avocado on the side have avocado kind of stuff. You want your sauce on the side put salt. So Katie you're always or often in the gym environment and Often things that you go to at always related to Fitness and Nutrition. Do you ever feel pressure to look a certain way and how do you deal with external pressures of being in that environment? I think like anybody in the industry probably has a little bit of pressure that way. I've always been a very strong believer in a very solid mindset there. Like if you check out my Instagram the majority of my posts about mindset. So I think because I've practiced those types of things for so long it becomes easier for me to accept who I am and be proud of what I can do. I think like if you guys ever heard of the coach then Bergeron, he coaches some of the top CrossFit athletes and his main thing that he talks about is only worry about the things that you can control the things that you can't control. You should not be spending any time on it. So it doesn't matter what People are saying about you. The only thing you can do is work on yourself and be proud of what you can do. So I always tend to think about the positives that come out of it. So even coming out of like so say I had like a really Crappy session at the gym and it just nothing felt good. I need to come out of that session being proud of one thing. So always make sure that I can do something like that coming out of a session in terms of like photographs and stuff like that. Like you have put yourself out there and I think if you create that positive mindset and that positive vibe it people find it very hard to the negative about you. So if you come off with a good personality and you come off, Confidence it tends to be a lot harder for people to be able to put a negative spin on it. That's our each other and I I love the quote your tried your Vibe. Sorry attracts your tribe and Hunt. Yeah, I feel like definitely what what energy you put out there. That's the opportunities that come back to you, which I think is super powerful. I love hearing about people's goals like Katie, what are your nutrition and fitness goals so nutrition I'm like, I'm pretty happy with where I'm at. I like exploring things. So typically if I put a client on something I always like to test it out first, I would never put somebody on something that I've never done but that doesn't make sense because I have no understanding of it from a personal perspective. So like even like the carb cycling thing. I made sure that I did this first before implementing the challenge that I was doing. So I got a good understanding of it and I would know how these people were feeling. Coming into it. So at the moment like nutrition-wise, I'm pretty happy with where I'm at. There's nothing that I really want to change their and it's just basically probably looking at increasing my calories as we move along to help increases strength, but in terms of fitness and gym, so I recently dislocated my shoulder again about four months ago. So I've been trying to act a little bit more of an adult rather than a child coming into rehab. And being a lot more mindful in terms of progression and just making my shoulders a lot healthier and stronger for the long run. So that was that's a major major Focus for me right now, and I'm actually really enjoying it as well because I can see the strength improvements that are happening through it. That's really cool. And then probably the last thing that I'm looking to do so I just hit an 80 kilo clean a couple weeks ago, which I was really Happy is like that was a goal of mine for so long. But then I did a workout on the weekend and I hit an 80 kilo clean five times. So obviously got some room there to kind of bump up those numbers. So I mean like I would be super happy with hitting like a 90 kilo clean in the next couple months. Once my shoulder is saying it's okay to go and do so, but that's kind of where my focus is at the moment. So that's awesome Katie and how can we how can we find you on the social as how can we get inspired by your own workouts? And your beautiful quotes So the best place to hit me up is on Instagram. That's pretty much where everything is posted. That's I post something at 9 a.m. Every single day so you can hit notifications on that. If you'd like, you can find me on Instagram. Is this really awkward to spell out on voice but it is K 8 T be Tripoli. I'll get the her to put them in the show notes there. So you guys can link up. Yeah, it's definitely put that in the show notes. But yeah, you can find me on in. Them. I'm also introducing a carb cycling challenge starting on Monday the 18th of not showing this is going to are that if you're Keen to do that. You can send me a message or to get some more information on that and I'm also working on something really really exciting our health. So nutrition and fitness Retreat and volley. I'm just rubbing my hands together. Yes, we're looking at scheduling that in May. So I'm teaming up with the team at CrossFit Wanderlust and we're going to launch a orange beforehand and then have some fun over in Bali for a few days. It is going to be amazing. And if you haven't joined the Bali club like me, please join me on my first trip to Bali and I would love that. So Katie, what are you grateful for in this moment? I'm super grateful for the people that I get to be a surrounded by every single day. So people like yourself that is super super inspiring and I've been so fortunate to To hang out with you for a while. Now. It just been so cool. But you know, like the people that I work with my clients my members they just they just tick all the boxes to keep me going and keep doing what I like to do and it's just like a positive vibe that you get like we were talking about before I like having those people that just support you through anything just becomes really really important and I'm super grateful for that and then obviously, I guess like the other thing is on Instagram because my post if you if you've ever read one of my post they tend to be very novel like so they are not short and I never thought that people would actually take the time to read it and getting feedback from people are getting comments from people and realizing that people are actually taking the time to read through them and being educated and excited about them. That's like I'm super grateful that people take the time out of their busy lives to read myself. I can just see your face is glowing and you have about that. So today I was sitting at a side rows and I thought you know what? I'm going to write down my gratitudes. I was eating my peanut butter ball and it tasted amazing and I was feeling very inspired. So today I'm grateful for connecting with you. Again, Katie. We would have thought we met at one a day and a couple of years down the track. We're recording a podcast episode together. I would never have thought that would happen. But yeah, very grateful. I'm also really grateful for moving my body. Me I actually started the cake program today and did my first morning woke up. Yeah, love just trying new things and seeing how I guess it's similar to you and nutrition. I like to trial how my body feels after a week of doing something. And yes for the kick program. I'm going to give that a go this week. I'm also really grateful for the beautiful weather that we have been blessed with. Oh my gosh, finally. Yeah a good dose of sunshine. Absolutely love it. So, thank you. Thank you Katie. Coming on the podcast today and sharing. Thank you so much for having me. It was so good to catch up with you again. Hopefully we can do it again soon. Yeah, definitely everyone have a fabulous rest of your day nourish your body so you can be the best version of yourself and remember go and kick some goals.

HAPPY THURSDAY EVERYONE! When activewear stylists reunite… I bet you are thinking sport spice sisters, power walking along the coast wearing visors, coffees in hands while rocking the new release Lorna jane activewear sets. Well todays episode is a little different. Think burgers, balance and boss babe BILZ. Who would have thought two years down the track we would be recording an episode educating, inspiring and motivating the community to take positive action around FOOD. This episode is full of raw treats, so order that açai bowl or whiz up that green smoothie because this episode is about to leave you hangry for more. Nutritionalist Katie Bilz peels back the banana layers and reveals the life changing news she received as a teen. “Doctors were surprised I wasn’t in a coma.” - KB After receiving different nutritional information about what to eat and what not to eat, Katie decided to start doing her own research and trialing different diets to see how food reacted with her body. From vegan, to vegetarian, to paleo, to high carb, low carb and everything in between you bet ya Katie has tried it all. Fast forwarding a decade, Katie is living her best life with the attitude, “Consistency Over Perfection.” Katie shares her daily intake of food, helpful tips around meal planning and how to develop a positive mindset around food. If you enjoy this episode then please help us share the love by adding it to your Instagram story and leave us a five star review. We hope you have a fabulous Thursday, nourish your body so you can be the happiest and healthiest version of you. Love Georgia xx Episode Recommendations: Result Based Training @rbtgyms Lorna Jane @lornajaneactive Nutrition essential tool @kaltwellness Sarahs Day breakfast @sarahsday New program @keepitcleaner The book @dailystoic Cafe @somedaycoffeeco Cafe @goodthingsmp Cafe @mary_street_bakery Restaurant @rawkitchenfreo Restaurant @healthfreakcafe Podcast Guest Speaker: @k8tbeee Podcast Presenter: @georgia.louise.perry Thank you to todays sponsor, Diverse Electrical Contractors for making todays episode possible.

Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Hello and welcome back to paddle to the real down segment. I'm Brad Hickson here here with me is my co-host John how you get? How you doing today? John? I'm doing great buddy. How are you man? I'm excited. I'm excited for our guests. Yeah today. We have John Joshua Booth. He's from the Moyock fishing series and Missouri. How you doing? Josh? Good. How are you guys doing? Doing awesome, man. I just like saying no Yak. Yeah, it does. All right, let's so let's get into this tell us a little bit about the Mosaic series you have going out there Mowgli act. It was weird kind of set up towards, you know, 2014 by a small group of friends that want to you know, just bring the sport of kayak Bass Fishing to the Ozarks because it was something pretty new back then. And it's grown. I mean that's still our mission today still provide a fun competitive environment for these tournaments. But I mean we've we're averaging about 40 to 50 angers per tournament and still feels like a small group of friends. I mean real it's a great time. That's a lot of that's a lot of people for a tournament. I think we're usually turning out about 30 here in Cincinnati. Yeah, I think 57 was our highest so far this year on Table Rock. Oh, well. Yeah. We've seen a lot of growth this year and I expected you can be Numbers next year too. That's awesome. Me and John was talking last week. How is the fishing in Missouri? It's incredible. We are so lucky to live down here in the Ozarks. I mean I can drive two hours in any direction and Beyond 15 different major bodies of water. I mean, we have Table Rock Stockton, Pomme de Terre Bull Shoals taneycomo Beaver Lake Grand Lake. We've got all the streams and the rivers if you like to float for Smallmouth, that's all here. It's fishing Paradise. That's all how come we don't really hear too much about the Ozarks and fishing. I mean, is there a reason for that? I mean you think that I mean I've driven through there a couple times and it's just all of a sudden your opponent you look around and there are those rivers and streams and beautiful trees and all I mean, it's gorgeous through there, but it just doesn't really ring a bell when you think about fishing. Why is that? I don't know. I mean table rocks pretty popular. I mean, but as far as that goes, maybe we just don't want anybody else to know how beautiful Yeah bass fishing isn't well, Missouri isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of bass fishing. So that's kind of cool. Okay, we've got some great bass fishing lakes here. We'll have to make an event then only about five hours away there. Yeah, that's not too far. We got guys that are coming down from Nebraska and Northern Kansas to fish with us, too. So there's guys making six hour drive to compete with us. It's pretty cool, right? That is cool. What are you going to fold down through there? And that's for sure. Okay, let's go into your angler of the Year standings. I know that I just looked at them last week. They're completely different after your event at Stockton Lake. Yeah, we had some big changes after Stockton. Yeah. Well, how does that work for you guys with us? What goes where the way our angler of the Year race goes, or we can get points per tournament depending on how you finish first place gets 300 points second place is getting 295 man goes down in increments like that. So you accumulate those points after each event. And at the end of the season we're going to drop our lowest two scores. So the guys get to keep their best five scores and that determines the angler to year. That's cool. We saw that Brian Hillman was first place. He dropped down to like six. I think yeah doorman. Huey made a big run. He won that tournament again. He's on fire and now he's leading the anger of your points race and and Troy in he's right behind him though. It's gonna be Close how many wins do each of those guys have hmm. I know Dorman's got couple wins under his belt, you know consistency gives you more points and wins. I mean, I I want anger the Year back in 2017 and I didn't have a single win. It's just getting those top tens top fives and being consistent getting those points. So The a doorman is tearing it up. He's probably one more money than anybody. I don't know how many thousands of dollars he's also so he's the guy to look out for in the movie ax series. And yeah right now yes, he's doing it. That's awesome. I haven't heard his name yet. So it's always nice to hear new people come out of it a Josh can if I can ask you something and then you bring up a good point about the angler of the Year points, you know and how much it's just I guess for lack of a better term but My class participation, you know, you got to be there and you got to be in those events and stuff like that. You don't necessarily have to be a big winner in those. I've seen a lot of people that who just participate in the event and trail series all across the country and do really well in the angler of the Year points, especially Rookie of the Year guy. So I encourage anybody who joins into a who and to it like a tournament a series like yourself what you guys got going on out there to just bang out as many tournaments as They possibly can. Yeah, they're going to do it then do it. But yeah, you bring up a really good point right there. Yes. I mean, even if you come in last place and turn them, you're still earning some points, right? Yeah. That's always cool. I'm always curious to see what all these fish entrails how different they are in their angler of the year standing. So it's pretty interesting how it works. So I noticed you Posted about the high school out. There they are. I don't know. I'm trying to ask I guess they're participating in your series now. Yeah up at Stockton. We did have a couple guys from the high school Bassam team that showed up three boys 16 17 years old. They went out in the fish their first kayak tournament. Okay caught fish dude good man. They had a great time as good seen them. How did they do? It was tough for everybody but they caught fish and they and their photos were great. I mean, no problems whatsoever. That's always cool. I don't think we have Any high schools in this area that have fishing teams do we job there's a couple and I understand that Mason High School has a troop of dudes that go out there and they got a couple nice bass boats wrapped up in some Mason comment green. Yeah, that's really starting to grow in. This area has a huge bass of High School Bass and team and some of the other local schools are starting to get him on board too. I was really surprised at the amount of teams. I saw down at icast and the kids that I met that were actually gaining scholarship. Oops through that but I bet you those kids that showed up and did that kayak tournament for the first time we're going to go back to their coaches and say wait a minute. We got rethink this you can buy a whole lot of kayaks for one of those boats right there. Yep, heck of a lot more kids in them to you know, look forward to coming the future for sure the way the sport is growing. It's coming. Yeah. How cool would that be to see like all these high schools across the country come together and have like some kind of national championship just for the kids, that'd be awesome. Sure would ensure bring up the pressure on those legs a little bit though. We yeah, that's true this year of Ohio. You have to drive an hour to get to one Lake. We have some tough fish in here. That's for sure. Yeah, we do. Yeah, but you guys have Mississippi River up there too. And that's awful. Nice. Yeah. I think we have to drive a little bit a ways to get there. No, yeah. It's more South Southwest from us. Yeah, it's about a eight-day trip on a kayak I thing and then all the tributaries of that. So that's always pretty good fishing. Right? So is the Mosaic series K BF K BF Affiliated? Yeah. We are a legacy kbf Club. We've been affiliated with them. I think since pretty much the beginning maybe 2016 Maybe I'm not really sure but yeah, we've hosted tournament Trails for them in the past and this year. We're hosting the kbf Central Regional Championship on Table Rock form as well. Oh, that's right. I think I knew that Brian Schiller. I'm I know you're familiar with him. He was telling us about that when he was that's going to be fun. And we're also hosting the the first-ever Missouri state championship and it's going to coincide with the kbf regional Championship on Table Rock as well. That'd be really cool. Yeah, we're looking forward to that that's open up to anybody that competes in a live tournament in Missouri. If you've done three live tournaments doesn't matter what trail series what club you're invited to come fish. Now, when is that turn of it, September 21st and 22nd, I believe. Yeah. Okay is the two-day tournament then? Yeah two days but Table Rock sounds like the place we need to go sticks. I mean if we're going to go there we might as well just go to take We rock right? Yeah, it's got all three species and you can pretty much whatever the conditions are. You can kind of find the fish. There's always it's a big lake. It looks like it has literally thousands of points. Yeah. That's right. This is to go. I mean, I'm a big smallmouth guys. So if you have small mouth in your legs, man, I'm there. They're in there in almost all of them. That's awesome. That's something we lack here in Ohio other than the rivers, of course. So you're KB Affiliated? How many guys do you normally send in the national championship every year. Normally we get around 10 National Championship slots to Ward or Anglers based on the angered year points kbf changed their formulas up a little bit. I expect us to do somewhere around eight or nine this year as well. But yeah, normally we send as far as a club maybe 15 to 20 guys every year go. We got we get it a lot. We've already got I think 10 or 11 Moyock members are already qualified for the kbf national championship and we haven't even gotten into our season yet. So that's even more of that are going to get to go. Yeah, so I'm guessing you're the top 3% or the top 10% of your finishes get qualified. Yeah. Well, we award National Championship slots at each Trail events for the top 10 percent. If you're a kbf member before the Tournament begins, okay, and then for your angler of the year how many To go out of that. I'd have to crunch the numbers. I'm going to guess eight. Okay, gotcha. So you want to go into a little bit more detail about the Stockton Lake tournament. Yeah. You guys just had boy Stockton that was a unique situation that Lake it just just started to drop from record levels. It's been at the highest flood stage for a month or two. I mean, it's been ridiculous and it's I thought it was going to work out to be a really good bite because There's not a lot of ramps that are open. So there hasn't been a lot of boat traffic and the fish have had a been able to spawn completely in the flooded brush the whole time. So nope. It didn't happen though. It was a tough bite. It was hot water the water still 15 foot up and some guys found a good bite on some spinnerbaits. But yeah, we're they catching up Shallow then I think they're catching up on those flooded bushes. Okay, that's what I did. It was hot and windy. I think the heat index is about a hundred nine that day. Winds 15 miles per hour is brutal. That's awesome. You know that during during tournaments like that. That's when you don't really yeah, that's when you really begin to realize that. Wow. It's a lot more than catching fish on a day like this - my ass needs to be in shape. Yeah, you gotta fight that win. You gotta be able to paddle. Yeah, and we don't really think about that when you know, a lot of people don't know I'm talking about the folks that are new to fishing and in these tournaments. And stuff like that and like that's going to be fun. I'm gonna go out there and whack it some bushes and next thing, you know, you're in Peril. Yes. It's never much fun when the winds blowing. That's a kayakers worst. Enemy. Yeah. And so then up in the tree to you know, you're up there. Yeah you 15 feet is how you said. Yeah, and that's after it's come down a lot. Wow. I know we did a tournament up here in Ohio. It was six feet the day before but then the tournament day it was down. Six feet from the day before, you know, and it was just still extremely muddy and it was crazy conditions to see it was really cold and everything. So the water was like 50 degrees and it was miserable, but it was your day though, wasn't it? I'll never forget that day, but that's not why I was bringing it up. Sure. I'm guessing the water is real buddy. What was the temperature like water? Temperature was 85 degrees Yeah, that's real hot. So I'm looking at the go ahead John. I was just well, I'm I'm prying you know me. Yeah, and I'm anxious to come out there and actually do some fish and I want to do some fishing with Josh. He looks like a fun character, but there's some out a lot we will man. We will there's a picture of just a massive. Freaking pig you and he posted this on March 31st. That wouldn't happen to be Table Rock there. That was probably from the national championship down on Caddo Lake in Louisiana. Oh man. Yeah. I was in that in as well with a Kayak Jack Outfitters, and we actually want took first place in a national championship. Yeah that Vast that big bass helps you carry the low with that big chubby right there, man. That's a beautiful fish. Yeah, it was up on that. I actually thought it was it was going to be a personal best, but it wasn't but it just those fish down there shaped weird. That thing was a hog. I mean it is if it was it is easy to get on the scales the scale said like 7 pounds or something and I know they were lying those were broken scales. I had to have been if that's the way it's curb and then I'd rather have long and skinny ones. I don't need a fat right? That's a gorgeous fish. Thank you. How did that go National Championship go for you personally. It didn't go too. Well. I practiced I stayed on Cross Lake too long and finally on day one. I wasn't counting luck. I rolled the dice inside to go to Caddo spent half the day exploring but then I found a good spot. I mean, I caught a big fish on day one. So that helped my team score for the team cup, which was all I was really wanting to do. I just and then on day two, I went back to that spot and I just laid them. I think I got like 87 inches for my day to Pony. Yeah. It was a fun day of too little too late to help me in the overall tournament, but it was a fun day. So what did you end up finishing way down there a hundred and thirtieth sirs. I don't know is I didn't make the top 100 cut. I know that much. Yeah, I could I'd still be happy with the top 50% and it turns out like that. That's awesome. I'm trying to go through my notes here and I kind of lost my spot you take good notes dick. That's right. Well before we got sidetracked I was going to go back to the Stockton leichter mix we did cover that. I was going to go over the results for that. So I got these here we got doorman, huy, huy won the tournament with a 80 point seven five inches. Second place was Michael Kearney Cornelius was 70 7.25 inches. In the third place was Troy ink is how you say his name Troy Inky Inky with a seventy six point five zero inches and then big bass you guys had a little problem with that, right? Yeah. It was a yeah, it was a check-in miscommunication and we got that all resolved and took care of ya big bass ended up being 17 and 3/4 caught by Jonny Kool. Okay. Yeah. I got that right. I just didn't want to get it wrong. So I noticed you guys. It have a problem with that is all we got that all squared away. It was kind of a gray area in a rule about whether or not you know, if you if you aren't there at the check-in, do you still get to take home a check which and the past we have made exceptions for that. So we went ahead and did that again for him and made the rule more locked in now so I won't be any questions going forward. So we're all good to go. Good. Sounds good. Um, Oh, I think that's basically all my questions for you tonight. John has anything else? He can Josh? I'm ready to come out there. So we just stay in touch with you Facebook's that's a place we got ya we've got so many great sponsors. I mean, we're guaranteeing over $1000 no matter how many people are in the tournament first place. I mean, we've got so much great gear that we give away for free or for apples pretty much. Bay leaves or something so say and and we feed everybody to so if you're hungry when you get off the waters, we've always got free food there at the weigh-in for everybody and drinks you guys came that's sweet tea and that part of yeah, we do have sweet tea. We usually drinks quencher though what this quencher other these really cool packets that you put in a bottle of water and turns it into like Gatorade the one of our went sure. Yeah. They're one of our Trails postures that donated all that so we can get fiber water. It sounds delicious. We come death. So say, We're a couple couple of Ohio boys here. Give us give us a tournament in maybe a month or a couple months that we should visit. That would be a fun one to do a boy our Seasons about to wrap up. I mean, we've got a river tournament coming up. We're going to go catch some small. He's on the river. We're doing it. We're doing a two-man team tournament on the river as well. So if you guys want to team up as a team and come down here, that sounds that way. Yeah that's open to anybody. It doesn't sound fun. Yeah and it that way. Boy, that's next month. I'd have to look for sure but it's open to anyone and then you can float any Missouri stream and it's going to do it online. So you've tournament hours or like 5:30 a.m. To 5 p.m. So you can do a whole long day float and not and not worry about getting off the water and take your time and photo submission deadline is 8 p.m. So you still got time to go home and get your and we'll do the awards next day. So it gives everybody its chances to hang Ya No Stress. Just hanging out on the river flowed with you. Buddy's and continuance quencher you drink is quenchers. I do have a question about that since we're so far away. How would that work for the next day Awards? Well, we do all of our pay on the specially when online challenge that were there's not going to be no live. We'll just do a live video on Facebook and we pay out through PayPal. So that's how our payments are sent out. Cool also. Well, we appreciate time and talking Moyock with us and we'll definitely be interested in covering more you guys tournaments throughout the year and next year. So absolutely said it I'd like to give a big shout-out to GEICO to Springfield to for stepping up and being our major sponsor this year. I mean, they just set the bar really high and I mean, I can't wait to see what happens next year. It's going to be great. Yeah, that one I was going to ask you if you had any other sponsors you'd like to shout out. Yeah. Well, I probably should do that. I had to ride him down here. We got a bunch of great supporters. Geico Springfield, of course is our primary source and sponsor. Yak. Attack Robo Hawk sport ruled Boat Center. They actually do have first man out of wards. So at the first man, that's not in the money. Say 4th place in the tournament didn't get a check. He gets his entry fee paid for the next tournament. Oh nice. Yeah, so they donate yea, that's pretty cool extreme sports and scuba in Joplin Missouri cage print and promo Hermiston. Lure psycho Bates Gator guard savior Outdoors. KGB swimbaits yakked lights. It's quencher bass Mogul. Oh MTC factored lures and the bait shop in Stockton, Missouri. Nice. Those guys have all stepped up huge this year. It's unbelievable. This this great stuff we get to give to our Anglers because of those companies. And I'm thankful for their support. Yeah, no doubt will let certainly encourage all of our listeners and everybody to support those companies right there, man. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely and if you're in the Missouri area encourage you guys to go check out the movie acts here is sounds like you guys are growing and doing some awesome things over there. So yeah, I mean quick is that ammoniac fishing series.com? Yeah. We definitely want to get you guys more anglers in your series and Appreciate it. Yeah, we appreciate everything you guys do its awesome. Love the podcast. Thanks, man. We appreciate it. Alright, that's all we got for you. So yeah, we'll check in back check back in with you later on and see how you guys are doing. All right, sounds good. You take care. Go catch fish. All right. Yep, you guys get down here. Well, all right. Let's see. Umm, that was fun man. That was awesome. It was how bad do you want to go to those arcs? It sounds like fun. I'd like to get out there my God sure. I'm sure the rest of the paddle and thin crew would meet us out there. If we took the trips, you know, they would those boneheads man. They'll just sign up for anything and just let's go road tripping. Yeah sounds like a blast man that's and excited for that movie ax series. You know every these series are just it's amazing how they are absolutely popping up all over the place. You know, I mean this sport really is I mean, I think this is the beginning of the beginning this is really like the big first big wave of this sport how it's just boom and all across the country. That's really exciting to see I just you know, I didn't think he I thought you could catch bass and like Kentucky and Florida and Texas and maybe Alabama and you know about their you know, I didn't even know you could catch him in Ohio because when I grew up watching the literally of the Miller Lite Bassmaster Classic, you know, this is going back to 1973 1974. That's where they had these tournaments at were then these big lakes there and you just didn't really hear of other places like that. So it's cool to see That they can actually catch bass up in Maine and up in California and Os West Western Minnesota North Dakota. I mean stud like Lake. Yeah, let's don't look like you've no that's some tough fishing but right awesome. So let's get into some tournament Recaps. That's what this segment is all about. Right? That's right, man. Let's do it. All righty the big shout out. I have to get this out because I'm so proud of this dude, man. I'm so pumped for him. He just looks like a million dollars and that's Eric Siddiqui. He's in Australia right now. My mean our local Boy Wonder right there in the Hobie bass open series, and he did really well in one of those series and now he's in the Hobie world team down there and Australia and there's a certain fish down there that if you catch it. You better not get poked by that fin there because it's going to kill you. Well, okay, and again Eagle Eye caught a couple of them yesterday, right? So it's a fish that you got to be careful, but the same fate the same and this is only in Australia. I'm telling you. The same fish that will kill you is also the one that's going to save you life. But you kind of know what to do with it. So this thing pokes you and you're about ready to go, you know code blue and then there's that code red. Anyway, you got to rub its belly and there's like a film or something on its belly that you then got to rub on the wound and that's going to save you from dying. I don't know. But anyway, Eric good luck buddy down there fishing in those. I don't even know what kind of fish they're fishing for but only through but I did find where you can watch the leaderboards for that tournament. So getting the information on that Hobie fishing world's.com. Okay, makes sense. Yeah, they got all the participants right now. I'm looking at the leaderboard. I see like Ron Champion are Siddiqui Matthew van. Joe come yati. He's from the u.s. Also arason. So there's a couple guys I haven't heard of but I always hear you talk about Ron Champion Ron. Well, I mean with a name like Champion. Yeah, that's got to be good. You know Ron's a big character to he's one of those great characters, you know, I like he's just a big guy and I think if if Marvel Comics were going to wear to come out with a with a kayak series Ron Champions, just the big guy. I'm going to be the gut doing this. Yeah, absolutely. Just lifting the world. But yeah best of luck to all these guys. I'm envious. I'm jealous. I wish him the best of luck. I wish I was there maybe one day but gosh what a opportunity for those guys to really have something together and also AJ's really pushing this tournament that they're having this weekend. I believe down at the New River you don't and I've got some crazy stories about raft in that thing and I would have never thought that she could actually fish in the New River, but maybe that was the part of the New River that I only knew of but I understand there's some great fishing down there. Oh, yeah, excellent Smallmouth fishing if you watch Drew Gregory's videos on YouTube. He he films a section. It's I think it's a 12 mile section of the New River where it's at. It has a sign on the river says trophy small mouth area. Oh, that's Only I don't know Frank. I think it's a catch-and-release stretch only so, okay. Well that makes me fish through their 12 miles. I mean anybody's going to be able to float through there, right? That's the the New River tournament. That's the Hobie bass open series that happens this week in July 27th. A lot of people don't know but the Hobie bass open series uses a different app other than tourney X, so So if you want to watch the leaderboards, you have to download the I angler tournament app. Yeah, then hit the OB icon at the bottom and it'll it'll pop up all their tournaments and you can scroll through there and find the New River tournaments. If you're interested in looking at that, make sure to download that app and watch the events unfold that way and that's a good sear. That's a good tournament to get in into if you if as a kayak Angler you want to step into any one of the Hobie bass open series, you know, it's a couple hundred bucks to get in those series tournaments and it's worth it. It really is because it sets you up on a different Sage it'll it enables you with any kayak. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be a hobo kayak any kayak you can get in these things and it just sets you up on that stage. It makes you feel like okay this is this the next big thing then they got the pilot series which is kind of what the new Rivers about and I think it's only like 75 bucks to get in but I can almost guarantee that it's the same feel the same. He's like, he's Elite event feel and it's a good one to get in so I highly suggest they're taking and I think what the top 100 to get in this event and heard they got a lot of slots filled so or to fill so I encourage anybody to listen to us right now if you're within driving distance of that man do that because it's worth it. Yeah. Definitely. So you said you had a some kdf stuff you want to talk about upcoming events. There's one on East and West Harbor this company that's coming this this weekend, you know, have you ever fished that place? I have it man. I mean, I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about it. So the hype is really up but I've never fished up there in that area at all. I know a lot of the guys are heading up there. So that's going to be a good one. It's always been one that they've talked. About a lot I think Bert is heading up there. Yep. So big shout out to Burt. I'm not sure if Kurtz had nope there. I believe he is. Yeah, I think I signed up in the tourney app. Okay, good. Well good shot out that I just want to get our local Boys in their kid. Shout out to those guys and good luck on that but I wasn't myself going to pull the trigger on that. I wish I could get away. Well, I can't and I can't so I've been tournament bombing, you know, I Been in a lot of lately. So did you have thoughts of getting up there and doing that one? I'm not going to be able to write so I got I have a bunch of stuff going on this weekend, right? I'll get some fishing in sometime soon. Yeah, it's they only have 48 angler signed up for that tournament. So I was expecting over a hundred. So now that is now there they usually are good for the last minute where another you know, there's those sandbaggers entry, you know. People who kind of wait until the last minute to do that, but how many they got in there 48 now 48 so far. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yep. I see Kurt's name right there. Brandon Tai Chi we talked to you last week. He'll be there. Yeah, Brandon's have fun guy. He is his cool like that. I did like talking to him last week. Yeah. I wish him the best of luck there Chris Anderson. I don't know if you've met him or not. Yeah. Yeah. He's a Cincinnati boy. He's heading up there. Yeah, Chris. Good, dude, he's American tackle. Yep, Zack Corral. He's American Tagle. He'll be up there. Are you kidding me? Zach's head node air sacs heading up there and they like yeah now so yeah, let's wish those guys the best of luck. I really wished I was dead no out there and stuff. So I encourage everybody to jump in on that East and West Harbor that I do understand is some good Ohio fishing. I wanted to get a shout out to the big Sam Rayburn and a Galatians those guys down there. That's a good Texas fish in there. And I've heard I'll so much about it. But the first place brought in 93 inches, man, and you know, I don't think I've ever brought in 93. In. In fact, I know I have never brought in the 9 that's a lot of fish man. No, that's some good one. So good shout out to him. But his name's Jeff. I sham. Okay, Jeff I sham I would have to say has the coolest hair and kayak that's fishing. Right? I mean, it's great. So Jeff good job, dude, you look like a character and it would be a lot of fun to hang out with you and then math. Um, scotch was at 90 points. 7:5 at second place there and then Logan Lopez at 90.5. So those guys were only a quarter inch away from that one. But man I've heard a lot about Sam Rayburn down there and stuff so big shout out to those guys in Jackson Hill marina for hosting that one and pure fishing for support in that event. So good job boys. Also Jeff eyes from one big bass of that tournament as well man. Well, that's always a big plus. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah twenty one and a quarter inch big bass for the whole tournament. Gee, I wish gosh, that's just when you cook up the one of those it's like, you know, it's different. You know, it's you know, it's beyond that 19 inch fish. You really do your thinking. Okay. This is a different one man. This is going to be a big one. So that's good. Good job Jeff. So did you happen to see the kbf trail Kentucky Lake for the southeastern region this past weekend? I did not mine. That was a very interesting tournament my opinion man. I was on to tell me about it. Why look at I was watching it real closely the winter judge Josh Stewart. Yeah, you've heard that name before I guarantee it. Yes. Yeah, he's always placed in high. He he placed well in the national championship this past year. Anyway, he won the Southeast region on Kentucky Lake this weekend with 99 inches. Wow. Yes. 23 in bass. So if you pull out if you can go to that leaderboard pull that picture up and see that bass yet. You'll be amazed. It's huge. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah funny-looking bass. It's huge. That was a good one. I've never caught a 23 inch bass in my life. My best is only 21. Well only 2120 It's really really good. But it is a know in that funny when your skin when you're pulling in a 21 inch fish are no high a man. You've done really well, you know not to but Kentucky Lake, you know, they're in that place. But but even a 20 a 23 inch bass, you know that has to be a fish of five six seven thousand cast man. Oh, yeah, if not more. I mean that's a really special fish. I'd like to be I'd be curious how how he was fishing when he caught that. That can we get Josh on the phone right now to talk to Josh. Let me send it. I'll send a little note out to Josh man. That would be fun to talk to him about that. Yeah, for sure. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody has caught a fish that big but I know I have it. Yeah other second place winner for Kentucky Lake was Jay Wallin 93.7 5 inches. He's another big name that we've all heard. Yeah, and then third place was Russ Schneider with You five inches. Nice. What a fun tournament. Are they fishing in both? Like Kentucky lake and Lake Barkley are Berkeley down there, you know, or is it just Kentucky lake or it probably is both of them. It probably is I'm not sure it probably says somewhere in the rules here and right and I just I just don't have time to look at it. Yeah, no biggie. Let's move right along here. We got the yakka bass tournament that happened last this past Sunday on the delta in California. The winner of that tournament was Brandon Miller 87 inches plus big bass. Have you heard of the name? Brandon? Brandon Miller has yes, bam. Damn, yeah, his nickname is Bam my bad. Anyway, I heard him on a podcast recently talking and he seems like a really cool guy. I'd like to get him on the show sometime. Apparently, he's he's back and forth from the boat the boat bass boat world and the kayak fishing world. He bounces back and forth. So, yeah, he he he just hit this tournament up and smashed. It it one that won the whole thing and that crate when someone just comes out of that, you know nowhere and just drops the bomb. Hey, wait a minute. I'm talking to somebody right now that did something like that just comes out of nowhere and drops a bomb on everybody. Yeah. That was just a little turkey. Yeah. Well, I still and it would that was just a local tournament for them. That's true, but they had a qualifier spots for the national championship to that's awesome. Yeah, those this California guys are their whole different breed. You know, they really are they had some of the slickest dudes man and you check them out and they all got you know, we tend to curl our brims a little bit here and you know heiio little bit and get a little Edge on will redneck Hedgehog but man all the homies out there in California, man, you know, they got the flat. Brim going, you know, it's just great stuff, you know, turn it to the side a little bit. Yeah, and I love their style. So it's cool and they got some of the coolest Flash and jerseys out there. So, you know another state then it was just so unsuspecting when it comes to bass fishing and that's California boy. Am I discovering very quickly that man drive the Pacific Coast Highway man, you're going to find some bass fishing somewhere down there Lake Shasta sounds like a fun place, you know. Sure. Yeah. Apparently San Diego has a pretty big best tournament scene out there too. So right now is that group called? Yakka bass. Is that what you were saying? Yeah. Yeah capacitor tournament true. You can look that up man. Second place of Vinny Del. I think his last name is pronounced 83 inches and then third place was Damien towel eighty two and a half inches. So that was pretty close tournament. All right, and they seem to be producing those numbers around there you no, like the winners are bringing in California. I'm not sure what the average size of the fish down there are but you know seems like 80 some odd inches seems to be yeah the big one down there that brings it home, but that that term materials always interested me because of course Greg Blanchard's in it. I like to follow him closely. He he finished third that tournament he was second before the right before they shut off the leaderboards. I don't know if somebody was saying bagging or What catfish the last few hours or what right here? Mr. Good day, though. I mean there was this I don't even know how many there was 73 anglers in that tournament. Wow. That's a good turnout. Yeah. You have Blanchard's of fun when to watch van. I really that dude. He's a really good dude to watch on the video and he's really got his you know, taking video and doing that kind of stuff is so I mean, we all have good intentions when we go out there with their cameras and stuff like that, you know, but man we're so excited about getting into the fishing mode. We often forget to go GoPro on you know, but he's really good at it and the editing them boys. You'll certainly tell you how he's going to catch fish. He's a good one to follow. Yeah, he's definitely good on the follow you watch his videos on YouTube. They're real good videos. He knows how to entertain you. That's for sure. Right? I got a kayak Bass League. They were on Rock Lake and I think that was in Wisconsin that League does not use tourney X so that leaves kind of hard to follow but I guess I got all my information through Facebook and of course Brian Let me know a few things. The winner that tournament was Dusty murguia. I think can't pronounce his name. Maybe I think I got it, right. That's another big guy or a big name in the tournament scene across the country. I don't know if you've heard that name he goes as Dusty Yacker on Facebook. Oh, yeah dudes a character man. Yeah. What's his real name is less real name Dusty murder murguia, right. He won't the tournament with 77 inches, right? Yeah, he crushed this. Was super close the top three was within two inches of each other. That's amazing. Yeah. Second place was Titus Dominguez seventy six point five zero inches, and then David broke came in. Third it 75 inches. Yeah, they're pulling in some nice Smallmouth on that man. Wow, that's the yeah. So dusty Acker. I've noticed his name before and I've always thought is that his real name because that's also great. It's the Persona. Yeah, he did a good job. So good job on that Dusty Crush. It's always good to bring home some money. I just got I got three more upcoming events that I wanted to shout out here. I don't have anymore that we that I covered from last week and didn't seem like there was very many tournaments. But let me go over these last three real quick the syak Anglers club. They're out of Southern Indiana. They have a tournament on the white rice white water river, July 27th, and there's two guys that come into mine. Like I think that all three guys that come out of the mine when I think that tournament once my Kelsey, of course, we've talked to yes. Yep. Yep. Yep, Brad, all's well Oswalt. He has a fist against us at a cow in Lake tournament. He came from Indiana and Matt kife, right which I think he's the tournament director of syak. But yeah a hundred percent sure. But anyway, if you're interested in getting to that tournament sign up on tourney X, it's a real overrun tournament happened on July 27th. So yeah, we encourage you guys to get out there. All you Indiana people. Yeah for it. That's a good crew man. They've reached out to me and let me join in on a group with them and stuff like that and a lot of you know, a lot of people shouting out, you know, that don't even know you, you know, we're saying hey welcome aboard and all that. So that seems like a really good fishing little community that they got going on there. And and so yeah, I'm anxious to just kind of Spread my wings man and get out of Southwestern Ohio and start doing some fishing. I've done up and down 75 Interstate from Texas to Lake Erie, but I haven't gone east and west and I want to really start doing that. So there's no better place to start than Indiana. It's right next door. So yeah, how are you? I've checked a lot of their tournaments there within two hours of my house, right? I mean why not? Give me give me that. Give me that their Facebook page again. What was that? It's ayack. How what how do you spell that? SI? Y AK? Okay, it's Club. Okay. Got you. Yeah, make that shot. I didn't know exactly what that allows make sure everybody got that clear so they can like them on their Facebook page. Yeah on to the next one here. I did a little research and I came across the East Texas kayak fishing Trail, which you'll like this one. They're having a tournament on Sam Rayburn Reservoir in July 27th. Oh I saw that one out because I have seen a few tournaments on that on that Reservoir. So I'm kind of interested in seeing the different scores between different Trails on that Lake. I did a little bit of research to I'm not familiar with any of the names in that trail, but the one guy that stood out to me his name is John Mooney. He has seven first-place finishes on his attorney EXA account dag gone. Yeah, so Watch that closely. I'm going to get familiar with some of those guys. And yeah, you know glare Mo Gonzales man, one of my favorite out of Texas now, there's another great name, but man I like watching him and he knows how to fish Texas and specially East Texas area and stuff like that. And then we got Dwayne tally him, you know, gosh we got a lot of good Texas fishermen down there and you know again, you know, Texas is just I don't know. I've obviously I've just you know, Be known that I've just been introduced to the sport not long ago, but wow, Texas another place where you think well, they got bass fishing down in Texas. What do they? Hello? And I mean just now is like that from a from what I see on YouTube and here it's not uncommon to catch something over eight pounds their dads and said my arms in a sling just thinking about that wrapped up. It was a grip. My life, so if we have any listeners in the East, Texas, Texas region a sign up for the east coast East Texas kayak fishing Trail on tourney X get out there get familiar with some of those guys man. Yeah. I know the guys that would be like San Antonio Galveston we got I guess Austin could kind of be there Houston. We got Corpus Christi, Texas, you know gosh into the go. Up there and then up toward Louisiana and you getting up there to Toledo been good stuff. Alright, and the last one I have here. I did a little bit of research again because I've never actually heard of this one eyed, and I don't really think of the state of Washington as a bass fishing state, but apparently that Northwest area is pretty good fishing. I got the wash Washington kayak Bass Fishing Trail They have a tournament on Lake row sigur July 27th, Dom not familiar thinning any of the names there, but they only have 16 guys signed up. So if you're out in that area gets signed up and if we got any listeners out there get signed up for that one boy. You talking about a gorgeous day to wash and one the most beautiful States we have in this god-given country of ours. I mean this thing is just beautiful. I love Washington in that state and Yeah, it's you know, you think trout you think kind of, you know, other types of species of fish. You just don't think bass, you know, but yeah, and you know, they probably are fresh and to with 16 guys up on a tournament. Probably not too many kayak Bass fisherman and and that area so that would be cool to see those numbers come up. And yeah. Yeah, I really hope we have listeners that are out there that hear this because it would be awesome to help. He'll grow kayak Trails like that. Yeah, every podcasts absolutely and you know, there's nothing easier than taking your kayak and plopping on back your RV or strapping it to you know, put your back your truck or even the top of your Outback Subaru man and and rolling down the highway and if you're going in that direction anyway on a camping trip, man, put a $400 or $500 kayak up there and jump in one of these terms. It's while you up there make it up run man. I was about to say Same thing you don't need an expensive kayak to get into getting these Trails. I've seen guys and sit in kayaks play second third. So yeah. Yeah, it's not uncommon at all kayak and does not matter just get on the water. Yep. That's absolutely true. Absolutely true and going back to that angler of the Year Point stuff and Rookie of the Year Point stuff, man. If you know get out of your mind that you have to be first second or third you show up. Yeah and go the captain's meeting get Out there and do the best you can and you just keep hitting every one of those those tournaments and lo and behold you look at the angle of your points at the end of the year and you're going wow. Yeah the pretty good. So yeah, that's all we got for Recaps. I will keep closely on those last four and then we'll talk about him again next week with the learner, you know go through the winters and Sal have another list of upcoming events for next week. And also good job. You did great. Yeah, you know, I really really feel like I'm pulling my weight. No, it's gone. You covered the kbf stuff and all the heavy stuff. Well, you know, it's as easy as one two three, you actually put in like sounds like five days I homework no, it's not too bad. I mean, I went through the tourney X website they have buttons for each kayak Trails. Yeah. I look through those and I pick which ones I want to use. Yeah. Yeah if anybody out there like Like once your Trail recognized send us an e-mail man paddle paddle letter in fin at gmail.com. If you want your Trail recognize man, send us an email and tell us so we will cover you guys and we will give you recognition help you guys grow. Yeah. Absolutely. It doesn't matter what size it is either man. It doesn't matter if it's a couple dudes out in New Mexico. It doesn't matter if you know, it's six guys up in Rhode Island, and it doesn't matter, you know, send us what you got. Definitely talk about it. See ya. Good job, man. So I can I wanted to get into this big old fish. You caught in a creek this past weekend. Let's hear the story. Well, yeah, I didn't have to say where you caught it. I'll be more you know that to me, you know, I am not one to talk about my Top Secret locations because for me you still have to get to these locations. You still have to commit you still have to catch the fish. It's still anybody's day. It's it could be any there's no you can't say. Hey man, I went up there and I used to pop in tube with a white head and a watermelon seed three and a half inch tube and And go up there the next day and expect to catch that fish on that one. It's just doesn't kind of work like that. So I never was really protective over my top secrets. I will encourage anybody though that if they go to Poplar Creek and he's fork leg gets out of Williamsburg and you catch a fish that we have now dubbed is old Betty. Please take a few pictures and lay that gentle giant back into that River because that was one of the most precious fish I have ever caught that was a god-given fish right there. And I did not even if I thought it was a rock. I thought it was a rock when I saw it. So we get up there and I was I was working on the the subcat 10, which is a lot like the 360 Blue Sky works that Jason Ricketts performs his deadly fish catching skills on you. And thank God it's got that big platform up front because he damned her busted. This is Phase going after a fish. That's what that looked like. He was dribbling a basketball. It was great. But this is kind of built the same way except their inflatable and it's very light. It's very portable. It's easy. It's inflatable. It only weighs 42 pounds and it literally sits on the water like a water speier so light so I had a buddy of mine old stroke dog. Dog from the TV a water system the old Ocoee Gap raft guide. I wanted him on top of this thing to just let me get his feel of this watercraft. So we had upriver we get to the first set of Rapids and the water is only about like this and I drag that thing up over the other set get into another Eddie and that was so easy to do I could have never done that with my Wilderness system 1 through 5 radar. I could not have done that, but I'm just dragging this thing. Up there. It's real light. It's taking a pounding. I get up in the next Eddie and we're casting across. Current that's coming through there and it's only about maybe a foot deep, but I couldn't quite get to the spot where I saw these two big rocks and I was like man, there's got to I know there's something up behind that thing. I'm just trying I'm trying to get that thing up there and I couldn't do it. I said Ryan I got across this current and I'm going to get up over there. So I get on the sub Cat 10 by sea eagle and I thought I was as soon as I hit the current I was going to go. That's what happens in my Hobie. That's what happens in my Wilderness system. As soon as I hit that current man. I'm going to sue you, you know, laughter exit stage left. That thing just went like ice right across it was like I was amazed so I got over there real easy. I took one of those inflatable pontoons that it sits on I just punched it up on a on a Little Rock and it held right there. I stood up on the end of it and I cast up in front of that big rock. That big rock boiled up and grab that pop into by was using and I went whole fish on and it ran up down into the current and it started bending my I was using a little Abu Garcia blackmax rod reel combo. I bought at Walmart for like forty nine dollars. And that thing was just going I didn't even expect to catch a fish. I wanted to test the water craft. Yeah, I wasn't up there looking for Fish and that thing just grab it and tanked and I sat down and I was like, oh no Ryan stroked. I'll get my camera buddy. This is a big fish. And I didn't I didn't have my net. I didn't have my regular gear. It wasn't a cockpit. I was familiar with I didn't know what to do with this fish. And I just I don't know how that Rod even held it, but I pulled that thing up out of the water and I plopped it up on the deck of that thing like Jordan Lee. And it just bounced all over I fell down on top of it. I picked it up and held this thing up and stroke dog from across the creek was like, holy spec moly 21 and a half inches this thing weighed and measured out at I bet you it was five to six pounds. Maybe it was one of the most it was old you could tell it I bet she was 15 20 years old it had one eye. the other one was just glazed over and it had all of these just wounds on it like and that's funny because the best that we do pull out a Poplar Creek that I have those guys live Hard there is that that's rough living in that area and there's some big game fish in there and I bet it's a Battle Royal down there and boy this thing looked like it was a seasoned veteran, but what a beautiful fish and just You know, I don't think I would have caught that fish unless I had that particular watercraft to get me over there and just yeah, that's what lucky is when you're out there fishing that is luck when you don't know what you're doing when you don't necessarily know what I'm just out there throwing trash having fun. Oh, there's a rock. Hey, boom next thing. You know, you got what matches my personal best. I got down at Lake Chickamauga be over 21 and a half inches, but go to my John Marianne Graves Facebook page, you'll swatches measuring that thing out man. It's a lot of fun. But what a beautiful fish. I'm going to get that mounted. Well, I took a lot of pictures and here's what your replica. Yeah, and you guy took a lot of pictures that I think I'm going to have a rep of that thing put up. It was I think that's the fish of 10,000 cast right there. Definitely. I was just thinking to myself you caught this the same size at Chickamauga you did as Poplar Creek. I think the Creek Fish would be more meaningful. Awful to me. Yeah, so that that that's real cool story and then catching it on that subcat 10 that had to be really cool. Yeah. So the next day on that subcat, I thought I was going to have to drive down to Tennessee, which was cool because any time I get a chance to get Lake Chickamauga. I'm in on it, but that trip canceled and so I took the subcat out again and this time I had a trolling motor on it. I'm just out trying that thing. But with the trolling motor, I'm just From point to point to point to point. I never traveled so fast outside bass boat yet to those locations and I caught nice Bass with that thing. Just sneaking right up on top of them and it's so quiet I did so I saw you cut it cut a bunch of 15/16 inches one it table he's like footballs they were fat they were very fat and I'm happy with them. But that again that was just on a finding a point and throwing up a just a balsa wood and old Balsa crawl colored six eight foot crankbait down through there and just surprised is that uh that see the seagull guy has to be real happy with you catching those big fish on his watercraft. I think so I think so, but I'm also driving him nuts. He's a great heat. He's a great guy, but you know my enthusiasm some take sometimes. Me into like a Forest Gump or a Peter Pan mode, you know where I don't necessarily stick to you know, so he wants me to he obviously wants me to to test this thing as a fishing watercraft, but I'm telling and I keep sending him all of these texts and emails blowing him up going. Hey, man, if you ever thought about this being a life guard raft, you know, have you ever thought about this taching Wings to it and a motor. Have you ever thought about Out, you know using these as US Department of Game and Wildlife Resource rescue crafts and I just keep throwing us a deep and finally, I think I think mr. Hoge finally said, hey man, we just need to concentrate on the fishing but I'm telling you I think of all of that stuff because it this watercraft the sub captain from sea eagle and they have them available right now. I'm not kidding you. Is a fish Hunter I don't care what you fish for. This thing is so easy to move to load. Its I got bad shoulders. I'm 55 years old. I don't I can't man. It's hard for me to get stuff upper. It is like effortless the throw this thing up in the back of my truck. I love this thing. It is an absolute machine. So it's easy for me to say it's a good fishing machine. I can I can go on for a long time and and I've only had it for what a week and I've caught some of the best fish I've ever had since I've been doing this. So here's one point. I would like to make about this particular water craft as very competitive kayak Bass fisherman that are out there. You know, we're stepping up games. A lot of these guys are spending literally thousands of dollars into these Rigs and stuff and this games getting very very competitive. This particular vehicle if you want a vehicle, that's good for pre-fishing. It's over. This is it's only a thousand bucks to get you started in one of these things and that's money. Well spent to get you on a watercraft like this. That's so easy to go out there and preview fish spots. Yeah, man, and they're seeing how people are doing that they're hiring guides now, they're getting in bass boats and you know, and I guess solve All is fair in Love and War but if you're going in Direction is a good watercraft to have you've got me interested in trying it will have to hit the water soon. Well, you've been on the 360 Blue Sky work. Yeah, right. That's something I haven't been on. So I knew Jason yet Jason's give me a lot of opportunities get on that and just I'm off doing something else and haven't got on it at the time, but I'm anxious to try it out that as well, but it's they're very similar and they both have I think probably the pros and cons and stuff like that, but Yeah, cool, man. It's a cool story. So that's all we got for you guys today. I guess we go ahead and do some shout outs. Now. We're at the end of the episode. We got rock Town pedal Sports in the Illinois. Thank you loved one canoe and kayak in Ohio lck. Yo, love them guys there love being part of their team. They're awesome. Yes hammered lures. Cody sunglasses, I do like Hey Coyote sunglasses performed in I let my son-in-law borrow my Coyote sunglasses and he went up into a place called Sela and a place called Deer Isle Maine and there's a lot of water sports and stuff and they were out there doing having fun with kids and stuff. Well Storm came in and he was forced to jump out of the boat and save a couple kids because as the current and wind and stuff and doing so he is coyotes fell off of his head and long behold they float. Oh, yeah, and he got him back. So there you go. That's a good reports thing. I did when Jesus gave me the pair of Cody Bob's sunglasses. I threw him in the water. I was like, I'm checking this through me our they floated. I was like score we're good. They do they do float, but that's by themselves. You can't use them as a personal flotation devices, right? There's a good sunglasses guys. Check them out. Nice designs. The the lenses are great. They're polarized also. Yeah, I'll tell you what and compared to to Oakley's some Oakley's that we we've been comparing man the glare that the coyotes really cut out really are a lot different than the Oakley's and there's a big difference. You boo boo boo. Boom. So hey and for the price wow, you know, yeah, Brian. Some more shout outs. We got here Sweetwater Brewing fish mob lures Silver Lake company MIT my oh kayak Anglers and also hammered lures does a recycled Plastics program will will put the his address in the show notes. If you have any soft Plastics that you need to throw away. Don't run away put them in a box and ship them to the address in the show notes. He uses those to melt them down and make Where is for Heroes on the water? And that's something we all support here in something? It's just awesome project. He's got going on out there. So I know I know we don't know what to do with those lures man, when we get them. I just pulled like three of them out of the kayak, you know, just laying out there, you know, and that thing I know we it's so easy just to toss it away and at that one but man do get you a little box man. Just like a little, you know, Tiny Box that you can put together and once you start putting you You get 50 or 60 of those things down in there man, put some postage on that and send it out man. It's it's it is for a good cause that's really kind of, you know, kind of Genius in a way, you know. Oh, yeah, it's definitely good. My most of those Plastics take years to degrade so - well shipping somebody who melts them down. Yeah. So you gotta shout out man. I do I want to get a big shout-out to Port Arthur limb lines I want Those big shout-out to Art Prowler jr. And his wife Mitzi and art is the creator of the Port Arthur limb line against its way that you can go fishing using the Lem. It's kind of like a real redneck kind of way to go. Some do some great catfish in and turtle fishing and stuff like that. So check out Port Arthur limb lines and you can just Google that Port Arthur limb line, Port Arthur, Arkansas and big shout out to those guys. And of course big shout out to our team American tackle down in Florida and exotic parts around the whole world man big shout out to American tackle go to American tackling with products and check out some of those Pro Staff Bates. They got you can't go wrong with crankbaits. I'm telling you. Yeah, you're all about those crankbaits. They look nice. I sure am. You know, that's yeah, I like crankbaits. I'd like to give us a shout out to team bona fide. Thanks to Luther ciphers in the Greg Timur for add me to the team. Absolutely. It's been a journey man. Yeah real honor. I love being part of bona fide bunch of good bunch of guys out there. So he stood between me and you man. Are you going really interested in human thinking about one of these special? Addition kind of limited edition come I always thinking about it. I have I have until tomorrow to decide so which one which one you thinking think I'm gonna go Tiki who's that for? I wonder it'll be a life. But also, of course my gosh filled with cake balls. Yeah ripping down the river on those. Delicious yummy. So that's good. She deserves it, you know something like that. You know, that's cool. That's a beautiful kayak man. Hate to put you on the spot if you are looking so good. I bet you be in that thing. I definitely would yeah, it's whatever that that's it for our episode guys. Thanks for listening. If you got any questions or anything, of course messaged up paddle the letter n fin at gmail.com. You can find us on Facebook and Instagram and yeah, we'll talk to you guys next week tight lines and smooth petals. Good job. You guys have be safe where your PFD is and God bless.

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You can listen to all of your favorite artists and and podcasts in one place for free and you don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library Tad. Also make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello, Leo. Welcome to Aquarius season. Here. We are we have arrived it is the sign of the future in the year 2020. How amazing is that? So if you have been listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for the last couple of months, I've been talking a lot about this kind of intense process that you've been in everybody's been in but for you that's really been centered around the the kind of of your life and so this includes your body and your health first of all and then expands out to include your home space anybody that you're taking care of or any beings that are yours to take care of like Animal Companions and also your responsibilities your jobs your tasks and really in a larger level the way that you are able to be useful in the world how you can show up and Labor, basically, like, you know, we're all here to do some kind of work. So what's the work that you're doing and this question of purpose and labor and responsibility has been a really big one for over a decade now and you've really been working on something refining something and I hope at this point that you're feeling your capacity that you actually feel like, you know, even if things are So hard that you got it under control like you've done enough that you understand what you're working with. It's not going to completely overwhelm you and you have some agency. That's the feeling that I hope you're having right now because the last month has kind of piled something on you in some way and pressed you and squeezed you and asked you to continue the work that you have been doing and really rise to the occasion. And like, you know trust yourself like a body this process that you've been in and I think that you've been able to do it. That's the sense that I get from looking at your chart and this process isn't over there are still pieces to to whittle down. There's still refinement that's happening. You're still kind of feeling your way into this new space of agency and maturity and taking care of yourself, too. Care of your body taking care of your responsibilities, you know what needs to be done. Now you have to continue to do it, but there's something different now there is a different sense of of your capacity and also probably your responsibility. Now as we move into Aquarius season, you are ready to let this work start to lift you up and to bring you out in some way and it's like you've been in this Inner Space for a really long time like working really hard trying to figure something out and now you're going to start to move out into the outer world with it. So a couple of different ways I could imagine this depending on how this Transits are working in your chart for a lot of you. This has to do with with work and the labor that you have been focused on for the last many years the way that you've been trying to figure something out. You've been wrestling with something. It's going to start to pay off and it's going to start to pay off soon and you'll have chances now to come out into the world in a different way and that coming out into the world is exciting. It's also challenging because now you need to free yourself up and the way that you've been hyper focused on this process that you've been in and consumed by it that has to change you might need to delegate you might need more help with what you're doing. You might need to let go of some responsibilities or let go of your fixation around some things and get freed up and this is a really important feeling for you in 2020 and definitely Aquarius season is letting go of the the kind of fixated process that you've been in and experimenting with a new way of being and this new way of being is more expansive. Now. There are plenty of you who've been working with your health during this process. And if you've been working with your health, and first of all, let me say that the process you've been in has been really intense and I know for myself as a Leo Rising person that I've been going through a bunch of health issues that are very deep and they're very systemic and they are not over and I'm looking at a lifetime of changes right now and I'm serious about it. It's like I got a I got a shift, you know, I have to figure out how to do things differently. So these long-standing issues that I've had don't continue to wreak havoc in my body and these are issues that they're inherited, you know, they're they're really old they're Deep it's like I got to figure out how to do something different. So if you are like me and you've been dealing with with health issues that are coming up where I hope you are right now is that your understanding the the systemic drive for these symptoms that you are experiencing and that you kind of have an awareness of this underlying landscape that you're going to need to continue to transform and now you want to start to bring that awareness into to a greater sense of Consciousness and also into your embodiment in the world. So you need to probably make different agreements in your relationships to some extent and different agreements with yourself in the way that you're going to engage space for yourself or care for yourself or your own discipline. And as you start to figure that out, I think that the the result that we're working. Is actually again a sense of Freedom that wants to come in because you understand what you're working with. And as you start to clear these issues from your body, even if they've taken a big toll there's also a feeling of relief that can come in. There's also this feeling of expansiveness where you know, what the thing is you're dealing with it. You can feel that there is kind of probably a slow-moving but definitely a Palpable change that's going to start to happen for you. So during Aquarius season. First of all, I really want to encourage you to lighten the fuck up your your so, you know, you're such a powerful being and what's going on in the Leo solar charts right now is so much, you know intensity and this kind of really firm Focus that's been happening for so long. And now there needs to be a release that now there needs to be a kind of an expansion back into the world kind of remembering like wow, there's like billions of other people out there. Everybody's going through stuff. You know, I don't have to wrestle with this thing all alone. I can get out there I can I can do other things I can relax a little bit. So I hope that this is something that happens for you in Aquarius season, and I would encourage that as a priority to think about now a couple of things are happening in the season that have to do with me. Movements of the personal planets. So the first thing that's happening is that we are entering one of Mercury's retrograde cycles and there are going to be three this year. So this is the first one so this cycle begins on February 3rd, and the beginning of the cycle is called the shadow phase the shadow phases would Mercury traverses the area of sky that it will then return to in its retrograde the shadow phase lasts until March 5th. That's when Mercury stations retrograde it will retrograde until March 16. And then it will have to re Traverse that terrain one more time. So then there's a second Shadow phase until March 30th. Now the majority of Mercury's retrograde will be spent in Pisces. It will backtrack a little tiny bit into late Aquarius, but mostly it's in Pisces Mercury when its retrograde is the symbol of the mind turning in on itself becoming more reflective less linear and straightforward. And this is why we get the cautions of Mercury retrograde that Patient's can get wonky and to be careful with agreements that we're making our contracts were signing. Now when Mercury is in Pisces, these cautions should be kind of up tenfold because Pisces is a sign that is never linear. It's never logical as never straightforward. It's always very sensitive. It's always working in the subtle plane. Not necessarily the informational plan, but the plane of Vibes vibration Sensations intuition. Mercury retrograde in Pisces is a time when we can use this influence to heighten our capacity for intuition to heighten our connection to the settle and the sublime fields. And so this is like spiritual realm sacred realm connecting with divination astrology tarot other forms where you're kind of consciously trying to build a bridge between yourself and your conscious mind and then the liminal the collective unconscious or a greater kind of super Consciousness that includes other Realms. So that would be an awesome way to use this Mercury retrograde now an awesome way to use this Mercury retrograde is to try and get a lot of clear logical linear straight forward thinking done or Communications. And especially for you. This Mercury retrograde is influencing the part of your chart that has a lot to do with the settle connections between you and you're important. Relationships and when I'm talking about settle connections, I'm talking about stuff that is often unspoken or it's hard to speak about and it's where you kind of get below the surface layer of the relationship. It's where you get into, you know feelings that you're having that are hard to talk about or Vibes that you're getting from. Someone that are hard to place and it's also where you get into the kind of entanglements that happen. In any important relationships where you know, we're always working with each other's baggage. We're always going to be interfacing with you know, the person in the present moment, but also their traumas their biographies their hopes their fears, you know stuff that they themselves might not have language for so this this place that's the in-between space and relationships. That's the subtle deep space in relationships is where Mercury It is going to be influencing you and my sense is that there's some important work that you're doing right now that has a lot to do with trust and with how you want to open to other people. Now when you're opening to other people think kind of expansively about that because there's a lot of work that you seem to be doing right now that's in the world and so other people might not be quote unquote important relationships in that you know who they are. A-are they could be you know, it could be the collective. It could be strangers and the subtle imprints that you have around relationships are the things that are arising right. Now. You really want to pay attention to self negating and to the way that you can kind of get confused about boundaries and again think any relationship. Where you tell yourself, you're not worth something and then this leads you to kind of give a lot of your energy away or not. Ask for the things that you need. If you're sensitive and you're permeable and you feel that other people want or need something from you. You might kind of get into something where you feel like, it's your responsibility to give them that even though it might not be the thing you want to be doing. It's these kinds. Of ideas that I'm trying to get around and over the course of Mercury retrograde you want to learn something about these ideas and how they function for you. And so your subtle body and what it does in relationship is the place to be researching. This is the place to reflect on. How are you emanating? What are the kind of core beliefs that arise? Within you what are your fears your insecurities your your deep desires that are really hard for you to admit to they need to come up. They need to be visible for you and you want to encourage a lot of compassion for yourself as you meet these parts of you and really try and meet them with curiosity and notice how your relationships are influenced by your subtle energy. She and again relationship might be with the entire world. It might be with strangers. So it could also be like, you know, you walk by someone on the street. Do you have an immediate kind of embodied experience of mistrust and danger or you know, can you feel like your heart can open or your eyes can get soft and you want to be moving more and more towards? A space of love and this is like an internal space. And so that doesn't mean that you are like a, you know, just always loving towards everybody or willing to bypass your boundaries or anything like that, but it does mean congruence. It means awareness of what's happening in your inner body, especially so that you notice where you kind of get confused about who you are. Or who another person is or what they want. So that theme of Mercury retrograde is important. It's super subtle. And this is a kind of great theme to work with with a therapist or with your journal or again with some kind of divination practice that could bring up a lot of support for this process another Transit that's happening is Venus will move through Aries from February 17th through March 16th, wherever Venus travels it brings attractive magnetic energy and for you Ares represents a part of your chart that has a lot to do with the meaning that you're making for your your life and your path and also with you and your role as a Seeker as a seeker of Truth and potentially also as a teacher as a facilitator, so this period of time February 7th through March 16th is a wonderful time for you to really connect with your sense of deeper Purpose with teachings with a path and And kind of open up your heart and open up your mind to where you want to be going and what feels like the kind of ultimate priority for you February 16th through March 31st. The planet Mars will travel through Capricorn at the beginning of the horoscope and I was talking about this transformative process you've been in and the way that you're grappling with your responsibilities and your health and your jobs your process. This is Capricorn. So Mars is going to move through this space and bring heat and power and force and Passion and also potentially some aggression or some conflict. Now this Transit can really boost your productivity. It can really give you a kick in the ass to you know, again to do things this new way and it can also bring up some internal kind of aggression for you. And so again, I really want to encourage you to think about how can you get less on your plate? How can you relax how can you free up your energy use that Mars transit to be? Like kind of Sword Mars rules sharp things and cut out what you don't need or want clogging up your system and clogging up your to-do list a couple of important lunations this month. There will be a new moon on January 24th at 4 degrees of Aquarius. Check your natal chart. If you have any planets or points around four degrees this new moon is especially potent for you. This is a new moon coming into the relationship sector of your chart and the place where you meet the outer world. This is a great time to Think about how you want to evolve in terms of your social identity and your relationships and how you're putting yourself out into the world really kind of invite in a new external identity how you are projecting yourself out how you're coming into relationship with others. This new moon is preceded by a couple of days of tension, and then there's a kind of breakthrough. So if you feel kind of wound up the 23rd the 24th take deep. Breaths know that it will pass. There's a full moon on February 8th and 9th, depending on your time zone at 20 degrees of Leo if your son or rising sign is 20 Leo or around there. This woman is really important for you. Again. The full moon is an opposition between the Sun and the Moon. So the sun is at 20 Aquarius. This full Moon is really encouraging you to shine let your Leo self come out have courage have confidence in your creativity. Let yourself be seen. Check in with me at embodied astrology on Instagram or Facebook and your inboxes for lunar attunements. I send these out at the new moon and the full moon to help you connect with their energy, and I really hope that this horoscope is helpful for you. I'm wishing you all the best in Aquarius season and Beyond bye for now.

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What is up? Everybody? Awesome episode today? Got it to talk with a longtime friend of mine Jack Ryan who owns Fair Winds across the his partner. We talked about a ton of stuff. We talked about how to enter business with a partner which not a lot of people do we talk about coaching. We talked about running the affiliate we talk about communicating with your community via different formats or mediums podcasting writing all of that stuff. There's just someReally really good gems in here from a guy that I introduced to CrossFit. And is it just a really just just awesome person more than a decade ago and just really really cool to see and just never underestimate that the impact you have on people what that ripple effect can be over the long term. If you you know, just be nice to people give people the best out of their day. But here's my interview with Jack Ryan his partner Eric hype from pheromones CrossFit. If you text messages via Google Drive, he was just talk about how much we hate Google Drive. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best our over there day. It's fun here. I am here with a good friend of mine long time Jack Ryan and his business partner here at Coit they own Fairwinds CrossFit and we're gonna talk about a lot of different things. Most of this is going to be relevant to the affiliate owner / new coach. So take some notes on this one Jack and I have known each other. I was trying to figure this out yesterday like Ten years almost. Yes mm the fall of 2008. I came actually met in the summer of 2008 like found you tucked away in some Warehouse in Virginia Beach at expeditionary support unit two grumpy angry. Sweaty. Yeah. So anybody who's trying to Envision what this looks like this is the life of any Supply officer in the Navy just sitting in a warehouse. R house being pissed off at the world. Yeah, but but no Jack was my operations officer. When I was at mobile unit twelve he deployed together to Iraq and I introduced Jack to CrossFit and typical story like hey, what are you doing? Let's try this out and and then he's gone on to do bunch of different things start his own affiliate. He's worked other Affiliates started be affiliate at the Naval Academy. He is also a Naval Academy grad second Naval Academy grad we found on the podcast so My first question for you, Eric is how is it working with somebody who is the subject of so many Tom Clancy books? It's funny. That doesn't come up as much as there as often as you'd think of course. My tell people is like yeah my business partner Jack Ryan. It's like the weight the Jack Ryan. Yeah. Thank Jack Ryan. It's it's so I have to ask you this Jack. I don't think I've ever asked you this like obviously anybody who's like into walls now on Amazon as assert as A Syrian but we're did you always go by Jack or did that come about when you got to the Naval Academy and you're just like, this is cool. Yeah, not as a good question. No, I was born about eight years before the first book came out. So I was a I'm a junior and so my dad went by Pat. I had an Uncle John on one side of the family. My mom always wanted a jack, but she and my dad wanted a junior. So I was Jack right from the get-go when I got to the name or actually even in the process of applying to the Naval Academy. The early the Tom Clancy series and the name was prevalent, but there was an actual there's a guy from Slate who called an interview while I was teaching at school and you know, he tried he really wanted there to be something and as a literature Professor, I kept trying to explain to him look man fiction is great. But reality is often a lot more interesting and those characters served a purpose for Tom Clancy as a writer. Aitor, that's it. The name doesn't mean shit. If you go into any sort of Ireland phone directory. There's about a thousand Ryan's and most of them are named John Patrick or some variation of John and Patrick and so it's not a very unfit. So extremely common name what when I was I was going to look it up this morning. I just got lazy, but I was trying to figure out when did the like the Patriot Games and all that the movies come out like you ever get it. You never get to see you for Harrison Ford. Yeah. The book was 85. I think the movies came out late 80s semantics Idol. Yeah books are first thanks Eric. And and you know, I think the transition I love Alec Baldwin's awesome. I think Harrison Ford kind of ran the show anything after that was sort of a shade of those two characters. I think this reboot of the series on Amazon's not too bad, but not to give thought it was I thought the first season was really good. But yeah, I was wondering I was trying to think I was like, I'm pretty sure these movies came out because you graduated in 99 99 I'm okay. Yes. I was one year. I got there one year after you left. Okay. Yeah so for so Jack was obviously in the EOD officer. That's where we met. And then he just retired June, you know yet June after 20 years 20 years finished his career at the Naval Academy where he went to a permanent military Professor job there to write out as time which is a pretty sweet gig. He was teaching English who's teaching. For the idiots we do we have we I taught that for two semesters was pretty great. And it's funny. They actually transitioned it. We now call them the Harvard's because there's only as we like to say the name Academy is comparable to an Ivy League. There's only one other ivy league institution that makes all of their students take three semesters of English regardless of their major and that's Harvard and so our are trucker English you are remedial English students are on par with students from Harvard. Dan is remedial folks. It is the most they're often the most enjoyable students though. Yeah, so about that class was always super fun for me and then smooth 5, which is math for morons, which is basic like remedial calculus where it's just it's literally nothing but football baseball lacrosse a basketball players sleeping if they're through class and that was basically what you're telling us. What you town is Jason is you were Ever there's there's two categories of you know performers in the sense of you're either a smart performer or a strong performer and it's a good thing that you were pretty strong. I was strong just not academically. I people o people there I've have I've had very few people make the assumption that I'm intelligent because I make because I went to the Naval Academy and I'm like listen, I graduate with a 2.11 it was Bare. I barely graduated and at one point I was Thousand and twelve out of 1018 as far as my academic ranking. So I was almost the Anchorman still a little bit grumpy about that. But you got to get even get enough trouble. I know that I did not I did I got I think I got the merits like once like that. I was good. I was getting away with things like to do all along very well versed there. But anyway, so let's talk a little bit about both of your Introductions in kind of Journey Through CrossFit like Jack, I gave a little bit of a brief introduction of yours, but let's go through yours and then Eric will talk about yours as well. And then how that kind of LED you both to opening your affiliate that you currently have Jim. So as you as you mentioned that deployment to Iraq and you know nine after you subjected me to fight gone bad, I was definitely hooked transitioned from that command to a job. In Hawaii where there was a CrossFit following at the command at mobile diving Salvage unit one, but they kind of were just all over the place. And so I sort of chalk that up to my first quote unquote affiliate. We weren't Affiliated, but I had I had a budget I was able to buy equipment we set up classes. We had a couple folks who had their loved ones or at least had some familiarity with coaching and Brian Powers whose at Oahu now, I think like they're a conglomerate of some sort, but he was running sort of a The trainer type of course that we were able to send a handful of our guys at the individual unit level through which worked out really well for me because I got to keep going through it. So basically it was sort of like a level one but not a level one and I got to see the if you chunk it into you know running an affiliate as has different buckets or categories of skill sets. This was the you have all the money in the world. You don't have a lot of space and you kind of got like a asean type of population what kind of structure should you set up and it's sort of this idea of really learning how to farm out the skill set to as many people as possible so they can kind of be autonomous what were some of the big so now that I'm thinking about that as far as like skill sets what words if you were to look back on that now, what would you say? We're like the one or two biggest things that you took away from that that you currently using your affiliate like hey when I learned that I have to be really efficient with Myspace or whatever it might be. I would say it is just because you have all the money in the world or you have funds to buy kind of whatever you want. There is a university ality in barbells bumper plates dumbbells and a rig and that's it. And the rig really a pull-up bar is is all you need. And so because you want to be thinking how can I get the most flexibility in this equipment and when I mean Flex it use of flexibility for guys and athletes who don't have a whole lot of time and they just want to come in and Is well safely so that they can stay fit and do okay that that sort of non competitor. Nobody in that group though. There were three guys that eventually did end up going to the games on teams, but from different Affiliates. Yeah. What about how can I create a system that is supported with its equipment that I'm not going to be running on a day-to-day basis. So sort of like really big picture owner and sort of in in the weeds coach manager just sort of like what can I approve that won't get anybody in trouble and will last because you're only going to get to buy stuff about once a year. Yeah, and I think this kind of goes back to the where most people started back in the day, which is like simple is better. Yes, like always always one of the things that happens is this is typically what I see in some of the newer gems that I go to that have a lot of funds which is they have all this stuff. In the programming eventually kind of turns into what Freddy Camacho who was on the show recently would describe as the any asshole work out which it means any asshole can just throw all that stuff on a paper put it in some sort of rep scheme and make a workout and it's not difficult to make something hard like it's incredibly easy to make something hard. That doesn't mean it's effective. So if we kind of think like I then came to the academy I transition to that permanent military presence Professor roll and similar situation. There were there were people doing CrossFit. They had the racquetball court. We actually had some support from folks in the PE department. And but again, it was sort of a hodgepodge of a lot of body weight stuff a lot of circuit stuff and now the challenge would be You got a lot of really fit athletic people. You don't have a whole lot of money. You kind of got a very constrained time, but they don't move well, and so now it was less about being sort of an owner and sort of people who just did not know how to coach did not know how to move didn't know how to structure a class and so creating sort of I would say with the academy it was a little bit of equipment stuff. So it took that skill set from the month from the previous time got the Cick starter set for them to be able to run a class of anywhere between and this is you guys talked about it. I was thinking in 1812. So this idea of the racquetball space could fit feasibly inside of it eight people safely swelled to a class of 12. Now. You got a bump out a little bit. Maybe you're limited with what you can actually do but there's at least room to make it work anything more than that, then it just becomes a goat rope and it's different. So we basically would say classes would have a Spots the coach could let it swell to 12 at that point. The doors were closed. Sorry, you had to kick people away and then coaching like I coached proof probably a thousand classes over the course of that first 5 years of running along. I mean, I was coaching three classes a day five days a week and then usually seeing them on Saturdays and so it was and it was all year Summers off. Okay. So let me ask you this because this happens to right so this is A perfect segue which is like so you're in Hawaii your training you come to the Naval Academy and there's two pieces there. The first one is just like going to any military unit. I've got to get buy-in from the Head Shed as far as like, this is okay. We're not going to kill people, you know, not every crab does not contagious, you know, but we're would you where would you place yourself in your coaching development or career the game start that and then most people are like well, how do I start coaching like I'm not ready. Yeah, I think maybe the unfair Advantage is that I had a little bit of rank. So I had a little bit of like buying right from the get-go simply because what I wore on my collar versus what they were on their collar, but at the same token with that there was a sort of a duality of I could kind of get away with whatever I wanted whatever I said, they would believe but at the same token I had a responsibility to actually know. The hell I was talking about and to admit and say like Hey, we're going to mess with this stuff together. Right? Like I don't know. Maybe we I think we started following Outlaw at first because I was like, I don't really know about programming and I can figure it out but whatever and quickly realized way too much. So then we follow.com for a year much better, but it got a little bit boring and so as you said boring is not always bad. It's just bad it's effective but it was tough to keep them engaged and so we settled on kind of like a myth. Mash of different things out there as we talked about earlier, you know contrary. I know Pat Barber had one for a while there. That was awesome Sherwood stuff with Lincoln is awesome simple, but yet still engaging there is no perfect programming. There is simply perfect execution. And so we settled on something that they saw gains and the fun battle with them became for me as a coach at that phase where I was was coming to realize that it does not. Not matter what they actually did as long as we executed it well and they consistently did it. I think that is one of the most important lessons a coach a gym owner could learn is that we far too often get way too attached to our programming and the reality is exactly what you just said there is extremely strong argument for the fact that programming doesn't matter at all like not one. It lets in triplets couplets and triplets and and history would verify that invalidate that because most of us didn't know where we're doing. We started programming and people still got fit like most of us move like trash when we first started and we still got fit and then we started to make it sexy and more volume and the spreadsheet really matters and it doesn't matter. I think Pat Barber said it which was hey, you know, what a good coach can do a lot with shitty programming a add coach can't do anything with the best program in the world. It does not matter. What matters is your ability to walk in the door and effectively change movement in a very finite amount of time and make people have a good time while they're doing it. Yeah, and so I think with this that timeframe of bouncing between and I was coaching at a couple of Affiliates in the area in the Annapolis Area as well. It gave me the opportunity to see a broad spectrum of movers from really athletic 18 24 year olds who actually just don't move that. Well, a lot of mobility issues to adults and kids in the Annapolis Area who may be moved a little bit better had you know lives and different ailments that I got at that point went to a couple, you know, specialty courses got my level to kind of did those sorts of more formulaic developments, but just time under tension on the floor learn. In what style worked for me seeing how lot of what I learned in the military does apply a lot of what I learned in the military does not apply people do not like to be yelled at then again. Some people do like to be yelled at so it's sort of this there is no one size fits all which, you know makes my brain explode. What do you mean you're not going to do what I tell you to do because I told you to do it and systems. I learned the importance of Both appreciating the systems but then also appreciating when certain individuals shit all over the system and let it go away as I tap Eric on the shoulder. So it's you find I think that's the move when we open our box as we realized we complemented each other very well have a have a very large Venn diagram Center, but also we don't force each other to go into that Venn diagram Circle you can balance What keeps us from me running this place like a freaking boot camp and nothing ever running on time because this place running like a tornado, right? But at the same token everything running on time the way it's supposed to I don't care about people right? Like that's the far end of my Spectrum versus will sit and talk with one person all day because that's the most important thing in the world, but forget like we got to pay bills too. Yeah, so it's and I'm being I'm being facetious. Like that's not you know, what that's a real scenario and it's and which is a perfect segue to talk about York, but that's that's a lot why Jason and I work together like we're not the same in a lot of ways like there's certain things. He good at he's good at and there's certain things that I'm good at and we've we've talked about that we said hey, this is your part. This is my part and we'll talk about what overlaps there but for the most part like I'm going to let you do your thing. And I think it takes probably a little bit about of much. Ready to kind of let some of those things go when you're like Hey, listen, like you're better at that than I am and that's okay. Like I'm totally fine with that. So Eric a you had a little bit of a different start like you started a kind of in Span and then kind of found your way to cross it. Correct. It's like if that was a very like short version. We have more time. I have a lot of different paths to get to where I am today. It just happened I was That past started. I was working at the VA and I actually started in the the canteen. So when that little convenience store in the yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and they opened up a coffee shop in there and I was hired to run the coffee shop. So that's where I started nice. And so it was a it was not an official Starbucks. It was a we proudly Brew Starbucks so they sell stuff with the Starbucks logo on it, but we can't take your gift cards and so but it was yeah, I was I was the morning guys what? One came in for their their morning coffee around which is the line running out the door and then secondary secretary Shinseki at the time with this is venti skim mocha with no whip. I remember that one in particular that was his that was his beverage of choice. But yeah, I kind of ran that show and it was I just love interacting with people I if I went down all the jobs that I've had in some form or another I'm interacting with people all the time all day every day. It's the few jobs that I had where I was eating in front of a computer by myself, which is why I probably drove myself crazy in the most but it was working at Starbucks line where the lady who ran the fitness center came up to me. She's like you seem really great with people you should ever thought about being a spin instructor and has absolutely not no, I never thought about being a spin instructor let alone a fitness instructor of any kind and she talked me into it. I went got a spinning certification loved it and then left the Starbucks started working at fitness center. And so it was They these guys were coming in and I've mentioned that they were two very fit guys with very form-fitting clothing. So they were in some Goods to say the least but the can one day and they stacked up a bunch of those like step aerobic boxes. Oh, yeah stacked up and we're trying to do like their max box jump on those things and it's always one of those like cross the veil videos you see waiting to happen like they're going to land too far forward or too far back and wipe out and the ceilings were no, I mean the ceilings are maybe seven eight feet tall no much, too. Calling it not much taller than any like regular office space but ask them what they're doing. They were telling me about CrossFit this close friend of mine told me about this thing CrossFit. I went to.com I saw the stuff. I thought it looked awesome, but I'm not the person that watches a YouTube video and like I'm going to try that thing that looks scary and heavy indeed. I never lifted weights. Like I played Sports in high school. I never really lifted weights much but I've always been a decent sized guy a large American if you will and just never went Weights and so it wasn't something that I wanted to try on my own because I knew for a fact I was going to hurt myself after like a year or so. I finally got myself into a box a box where exactly where I met Jack I was working you were one of my first coaches and I camera with my first like the first workout after the introductory was the box jump one where it was literally like come in Jump as high as you can on a box or if it was double under workout wear for an hour. I just sat there and whipped my so I remember burpees and deadlifts because I remember you almost throwing throwing up over the overhang remember how the at the it was there wasn't a flat up drive up. It was sort of an elevated overhang and we're doing burpees and deadlifts and I remembered so it is might have been like a week or two weeks. But I think that's the first like distinct memory. I have of him and like holding onto the garage door railing and kind of like hanging out as if he's gonna throw them like, oh God, I'm gonna lose this guy. He's gonna have a head trauma. I'm done. I'm gonna get fired. I'm not gonna get my retirement like and you recover It's funny. I don't remember that at all. Yeah, that's what I that's that's the workout. I remember that's what people do with traumatic experiences Eric. They've got some out so I want to I want to Kind of asked you guys both and you guys can both give your own answers but like so obviously you're very different have very different skill sets. So obviously Jack your systems person Eric your people Jack your small Eric. You're big, you know military civilian like how like at what point do do all of those differences somehow turn into a partnership where you guys are now running this business together. So you want to eat though. It's not fair, sir. So we were always. I don't think I think I always knew Jack was a bit of a systems guy and just the relationship we had built because he was across Little Bay where we met. I forget how long you were there. I figured how long I was working out there and you were there. I think I'd started. I've been there about six months and then started coaching. Yeah, and then you were there not much longer after that. Yeah, and so we always maintain this friendship and I don't think I think it was just the relationship we have like, I think I he started working. The garage I was still working at Old Bay and I think was just conversations back and forth about how the gym is going. How coaching is going and just how we kind of always bounce off each other and I think it was always kind of seen how when when he ran a class from from zero minute from the X class starts to the way it ends and seeing how he had every second accounted for or something that I knew just cut. That was how I got a look into Jack's systems and I think Jack just seeing like Hey You Are Good with people. I think it was just always those conversations back and forth. And when we started I think we started running a kids program out of your garage and then you just kind of seeing and then it was just kind of seeing how that little bit from 10 to 12 kids seeing how I work in that space and how he work in that space. I think we saw like, this could be something really cool. Even if only on a small level so for me I as I was thinking about Moving into starting my own thing started in the garage because you know, I'm always a big fan even in the teaching literature, you know, I keep going back further and further and further to find like well that story seems like it was been told before so you go back to the Renaissance. So that story seems to be told before you go back to the Bible. That seems to be you go back to Homer like we keep telling the same story over and over again. So I was like alright starting an affiliate. What should I do? Well, Glassman wrote an article and he said starting a garage get 10 people move out get more people go bigger go and don't wait you Gotta wait until three to four people complain don't move wait until three to four people quit then move and so is sort of this idea of like, all right, I'm starting out in my garage and it's going to be slow growth and we're going to do this and I was going to go solo and then I remembered for the last 20 years of my life 25 years in my life, you know, you know through some high school all the cad meet military. I've never worked alone even in when you're independent operator, you're part of a team teams always work better blah blah blah all that kid stuff. But the reality is because you get balanced by somebody who can complement your weaknesses or complement your strengths and counteract your weaknesses. I distinctly remember thinking like, alright. Well Eric's name always would come up in my mind because I always knew that he was similar to me in a lot of ways of he I think he sells himself short of the art with which he runs a class. He's accounting for every second as well. It's just not written down. It's Instinct. Well, it's in There but it's accounted for we did a my birthday in March before things were kind of formalize and I was moving on I asked him if he would be willing to run a workout for about five or six of friends and stuff in town. It's swelled to we probably had 20. Yeah, there was a it was way more than I told him it would be and I didn't give him any heads up and we just showed up and he and I sign of a true partner and I just sort of So it is said like this is where I wanted to feel we want to do a bunch of stuff kind of chipper ich blah blah blah and it was awesome. And it was on the Fly and in my head. I'm thinking oh my God, if I had done this to somebody they wouldn't be my friend anymore and he did it with a smile and actually like thanked us afterwards thanked me like, oh, thanks so much and I'm like, oh, yeah. This is a guy that would put up with my crap and be willing to go in on this with me. And so then we actually had a real conversation and we sat down and we did exactly like you. Said we talked about these are the things I think I do. Well, these are the things I think you do. Well, these are the things I think we can really knock out of the park and let's do it. So what when you having that conversation because this is something else that comes up pretty regularly is like my first question is did you guys develop some sort of operating agreement and then who owns what responsibilities within the business because this is probably the one of the biggest mistakes first and foremost very few Partnerships with in CrossFit Affiliates work for a multitude of reasons. Most of them don't make enough money, but then most of them fail because they feel to have conversations on the front end. Yeah. What did that look like when you guys sit down be like we're going to do this but there's a couple things that have to happen first. Yeah, so I'll take this one. So just I just I think they remember saying I said we need to do that, but I think if we we're going to shoot at a Target that we don't even know where it is. And we're going to close our eyes Spin and shoot. It's a waste of time. So I said number one. We are 50/50. We are 50/50 Financial. We are 50/50 workload. We are 50/50 everything but that number is qualitative. And so we knew each other situations. I was still teaching at the Academy full time. He had just had a baby or his daughter was on the way. He also had another job. So there was sort of this like, you know, all do most me I'll do most of the back end stuff. You got to cover most of it on the floor gym stuff. That is not a Annotated of our thing, but the rule is if you feel like it's some point you're not doing 50 or you feel like you're doing more you need to say something before you get angry and let's give it about six months eight months. Let's see where we fall out which as you've been on teams in the military. This is a very normal conversation that good teams have during What's called the norming phase that you are forming up and norming into these relationships that like look this is what this sop says with a standard. Reading procedure says but I don't work. That way you might let's see where it falls out. So we got a template but at the one years just over the one-year Mark, we actually wrote and they make fun of me. I wrote a storm standard operating regulation manual and it's by codes. I have we have the one code the to code the three code the for code everything's broken out into departments or categories or roles within that are subsets of like, okay. This is where it falls and it's a living document. Aunt but then we parse it out. And we said this is yours. This is mine. This is yours. This is mine. And now we have spaces for our coaches and our staff that is starting to come on board to fit and who's responsible for them who has that task ordered like all that stuff and I they make fun. I have we have a pope. We have poems Harry look golf fuck those things man. So that that is actually one of the skill sets that I picked up in the military that I did not ever believe was. You valuable just the just you know, because in some Clyde there's rules for everything. It's just like if this then that and this is how this works and this is the process but that's not what I wanted to ask. That's the important part people should do that but people don't because it's boring. Yeah, this is like this is painful. I don't want to do it. I'm like, yeah, but that's why everything here is should show because you failed to put in rules. You just have to know when to break the rules, right? They're not set in stone. He's really good at that like really really good. We're really good at breaking rules like but in a way that always is driven towards the users experience the person's experience the customer coming in because I will default to well that customer was 10 minutes late. They don't get to do class ba ba ba and it's like no man just be happy. They're here. Yeah, he's coming from the emergency room where his daughter broke his leg calm down. Right? And it's I think you said it one time. That like the thing that people remember about him that I remember about him is he always greets you with a smile and leaves you with a smile even if he got an hour of sleep last night because Fiona didn't sleep where there was a fight. It doesn't matter. That's not important. You're the most important person thing in the world when he's talking to you and that is something that it's a skill set that I have started to develop and I think he sells himself sore because he's He is my son dude, but this is that this one actually is for you Eric. So you guys obviously had the conversation about having not that that time out or whatever. You want to call it be like hey, this is not working. I'm feeling I'm feeling like I'm shouldering the brunt of the work. You know, how do you guys have rules on those conversations? And then what have you guys had like a significant disagreement thus far and how was it resolved? It's fine when we had the conversation when Jack wrote out the flow chart of all the systems and reform status on the Storm. I only know CrossFit acronyms Jack what I think that time you could have been better too because I was starting to get to a point where I was starting to feel he's he was he's coaching and he's doing all this back end stuff and It's hard for me to like you said the whole like user experience in running the floor and blah blah blah is theirs. It's not quantitative and so in my mind, I feel like Jax carrying so much and I'm not doing enough and I was I think I was having trouble feeling like that. It was actually an equal share and I felt like he was doing so much and I was dragging ass and that time going to be couldn't have when he put that together came at a great time because now it's like here This visualization. Here's this thing in front of me that I can look at and say Here's actually what you do and here's what I do and I can refer to that when I need you to make sure if I feel like I'm slipping which in all virile. I'll roll like an avalanche is it there's a vacuum of skill or vacuum of tasks? I'll just fill it because that's what that's what will you do Mission accomplishment, right? Like I don't care well after action report this later but feelings be damned like I'm Gonna Roll right over top of it. And so that I remember him saying like Dude, I need we were at a answer your question. We do a weekly meeting and I listened to your episode on meetings. We have a we have a timeline we keep the 45 minutes like it's a very deliberate thing because I totally agree. Afterwards, I put out a bunch of stuff and afterwards are tweets finishing and goes. Hey, I need to talk to you and so the rules are kind of I think with these conversations. We don't have any it truly is if the other person needs to express it. I think we've come to a place where you respectful you are very specific and you talk about how the actions are making you feel not that the other person is always doing something. Yeah. We had a meeting with our wives before this whole thing kicked off. We went to Coffee the four of us sat down and we basically said are you guys okay to our wives we said are you guys okay that basically Eric and I are marrying each other with this job. No. No, that's a that's a real conversation and and and Ackerman and I talked about that all the time because you know now that we're doing this we talk multiple times a day. Yeah, and it's and it's I think paid dividends because there has been there's been times. there I've pissed off my wife with we said we were going to she and I talked about like what was going to happen where we're going to expand how things are going to move and then he and I talked and we were like, oh we like that much better and I didn't come back and you know re briefed her on what the new plan was and it's happened since and I'm like, oh I forget did I tell you and she's like no, you told your other you told your other wife right here your other husband, it's good and bad because you do tend to kind of leave this other person out who's involved, but Only like on the periphery proofing but I think it's a good way to approach it because I think if you look at it like and and I and I know you say yes, I say that jokingly, but I think it probably works because you do look at it as a marriage, right which is like we're like in a legit relationship where if we don't make this work, there's going to be catastrophic for both of us. Well, I think a lot of other people look at it as like well it's a it's a it's transactional verses like this is a relationship and we this is going to take work. Work to make it work. Yeah, and the thing itself the Box the affiliate the community is now its own thing and so as much as I'm important and he's important like a marriage it is its own entity that sometimes we have to forego our own personal desires if it benefits the marriage and that's the part I think as far as a strength goes he always instinctively has that sense of what would make make this thing better and then I feel like I'm better at the okay nuts and bolts on the ground tactical level. How do we execute that your money? Where's the tight schedule? Yeah. So have you guys had a significant disagreement at this point just that like basically told me to settle the F down. Well, I got it include me like you've got to brief me on things before and he was right like it was like you're right. I was operating as if I was the only one in the house and that's inappropriate. remember what that was about because you're so damn nice and wasn't even it really what I mean as far as arguments go but it really was it was like it was in a very nice way of like hey, dude, you can't do that like I'm 50/50 and it's it's interesting that you say that in Eric and I'm curious what your thoughts on this are is that was one of the hard lessons that I had to learn and I think this is probably true for most people that leave the military where military is obviously a very authoritative authoritarian environment where like I don't have to ask you guys to make a decision like I'm the A boss like we're making the decision removing forward but you and everybody in the military is kind of okay with that but just because that's how it works like you hey, the rank wins so everybody just shut your face and we're going to move on but it doesn't work in the real world because people can just tell you like no, I don't like that like this sucks like whatever like how we're how is that for you Eric like trying to deal with that on the on the front end. So it's funny. I've never I've never looked at Jack as Lieutenant Commander, right? It's good. That's a good start. You know, like it I have respect for his position in the Navy and what he's done, but that that's never really affected me directly. Yeah, and so I've always seen him as is Jack the my friend or cross a coach or business partner. And and so I'm not a I think early on because he's not Jax older than me, but he's not that much older than me and And but I've always I kind of look at him as a mentor for a while. And so we started going into this. I need to tell myself. We're on the same level now. So I need to not hesitate when something is bothering me or what. I want to talk about something. And so what I tend to do is if something is bothering me I sleep on it and if it's still bothering me later, we'll chat about it, but I feel Comfortable enough that if something is bothering me I can talk to him about it and he doesn't take it personal and he doesn't get mad and he listens to it. And even if he doesn't necessarily agree, which I feel like we always end up finding some sort of Middle Ground. I think we're both really good its kind of going with our gut feeling and we have very similar gut feelings again a lot of things. Yeah, and it often I agree. You nailed it, but sounds like there's just an effort to communicate on a very regular. Always always always. Yeah, and that's and appreciate that. There will be differences miscommunications and always assume the other person made a choice for the good reason for the reason that it would best serve the Box the affiliate the other coaches whatever that's the first assumption rather than why did this person duck without the that's that's a really meta thought to write by the way, which is like the assumption is not malice, right which is where we all go to immediately back. Why will they did that? Because they're selfish and they don't want to do that when it's just like hey if I was just stop take a breath think about this for a second. Like I don't think they wanted to screw everybody over there are probably thinking about you know, this was you know, or maybe it what they were thinking of themselves which by the way is okay, but in totally normal because I am too right now. Yeah like How this make me angry. Yeah, self-preservation is a real thing. And so I think that's a really important distinction but the communication is is interesting because I think that leads to the the other thing that I want to talk about is like because you do that. Well, it's not shocking to me that you guys decided to start a podcast which is which is super important and why you reached out to me and why we're kind of doing this is because you had questions about what we do and but I have questions just like At what point did you decide to do a podcast and why for the gym? So Jack and Eric run it podcast for their gym, which I think every gym should do because going back to it like communication is key. Yeah. So as I kind of wrote that little history, we we were finding that Eric and I were talking a lot and well write like we were connecting most of the morning classes I run the morning. He's the afternoon it kind of splits about the middle of the day, even if we don't physically see each other were texting And Bob are talking about how the classes when we coach about 80% of the classes still we like the owner-operator model. We run pretty lean. But what we're finding is that the morning crew pretty consistently would be Jack's classes or Jacks and the afternoon classes where Eric screw and so we saw the difference is we talked about a lot of the athletes, but every now and then somebody from the afternoon class would come to the morning class and they would I could sense a difference in oh, like expectations of words. I would use or intention is the same intention that are could say, but just a little bit differently. And so we're like it was very serendipitous Chris Cooper. I think either wrote a blog or put out a podcast about content development should not be for the sake of developing content or you know media content, but it should be selfishly for you as a filly Owner a coach or whatever figure out how it's going to develop you and the purpose that it's going to serve for your community. And so I went well we got the oh, I like podcasts you like podcast we talk about them all the time. We talk about them with our classes weather warming up stretching afterwards. Whatever I said, let's do one. We got this nice little Nook connected to our box. We drink coffee. We always end up ended up talking after coffee. And so I think we're pretty alliterative. We came up with grounds after rounds and that's why I sign. I see the connection or a coffee or I like that and the funny thing was that the the sort of we would review coffee's for the first 10 or 15 minutes at the beginning. So it was sort of a we would buy. Yeah, we'd pick up maybe like one or two different types of cold boot bruised different brands and we would taste it and it was you know, it was our excuse to be silly. But also we're both studying or trying to study for the level 3 and We just weren't nothing was connecting. Nothing was sticking we'd like block off an hour and pick an article or whatever and it fell off about a week or two in no cards didn't work like nothing was working. So we decided alright. Well, we'll review coffee will nerd out about something with Crossfit and I noticed like Doug and Doug zakaris and Chris Chris icon there doing the 10 General physical skills a series of that. I like it. They I think they stole that from us, but that's all right. They did that's fair probably probably. Yeah. Yeah, we strike Silver Firs, but that's the space. Like that's the beauty of it. Nothing we're doing is new but it was a great resource for us to study explore things that made us uncomfortable. Try this whole like mess around with media and what it looks like and it's ebbed and flowed. We don't really review coffees anymore. But we've had different guest song we've talked about body image issues. We've talked about medical like major female and male medical issues. And then how did they Transform into the gym and and we're reaching I mean our audience I think is a lot bigger than we think it is, but it's still the ability to be a micro casting forum for us to serve our purposes and the purposes that our community says that they need what has been the feedback from the gym about the podcast. I will first. I think it's another reason was we got a lot of the talking about CrossFit out of our systems. So, why'd you have to hear about it all the time? So like we get a bro out or nerd out or whatever and it takes some of the pressure off of them from having to listen to us. So that helped but the thing that actually lately we've been doing these Fitness field trips where we decided we're going to try things outside of CrossFit just to kind of explore so we did we did jazz Sighs one of our athletes is actually a Jazzercise instructor. Nice. You wear an outfit. We just were shorts in Fairwinds t-shirts, but don't knock it. They are they are an awesome group and but that's good. There's a there's a Jazzercise like couple doors down from soy that we have and it's like I mean, they're getting it in there man, like 50 years Jason 50 years that thing has been going and it's not is not anytime soon. That's crazy, but it's But these leaves it's just been getting outside of it's been us getting us out of our comfort zone, especially with the jazzercise. But but it's just kind of exploring that yes. We are CrossFit gym. We are crossing owners we buy into CrossFit but really we just want to explore how people are moving and just encourage the people are moving. So, you know, everyone can do CrossFit but not ever cross CrossFit is not for everyone cool. There are these other avenues and if anything it's just for us to kind of explore that and It helps us dial-in more what this cross the thing is and then what other kind of stuff is out then I think people really enjoyed seeing us get a little extra silly than we normally do. Yeah, but these things for me the so I'm a big proponent of the I feel like I'm yelling inmate yelling. No. No, it's good audio. You're good. Yeah. No, you're not yelling. Thanks. I said, I feel like the the framework of observable measurable repeatable. Is one of the unknown uncelebrated elements of CrossFit that you could over emphasize it but in the end it is the thing that if you don't try to stay true to it people will lose interest quickly and so right I can observe Improvement. I can measure Improvement and then the repeatable element of it is the thing that if you can make that happen in the first week two weeks three months year you got somebody for life. And so that framework is the That we sort of when we started out with this Fitness field trips or like all right, what we want to do is take this efficacy of CrossFit as a methodology that we know we believe in and we can measure it observe it measure repeat it. Let's see if these other disciplines and practices. We don't want to say they have to abide by our rules. But do they have something analogous as a metric that they use to observe Improvement measure Improvement and then give that repeatability to their participants and their community and if they do that do they see somebody D stick yoga didn't really it's a great. I mean shoot it's been going on for five thousand years. So, you know, it's been robbed. Yeah going anywhere, but the the individual practitioners, I'm not sure it has that same element to it as what we were looking for. So it was a great one. That was a fun field trip, but it didn't didn't feel a sticky this Jazzercise. They're legit. Like they have programmed a program that methodology. There's a structure to it. They push it out like you follow it. There's Movement of steps like it has a lot of the same development and practitioner development that we do and then they have a metric they use and measure how many times you come and one of our values is consistency and we are members be consistent, you know, just pick a number and come that many times a week for three months and let us and then we'll talk about how you're doing. They're very similar. And so in that sense though, they use different language. You can tell why they've lasted they're not a fad like it's made it and that was a cool thing. We're excited think our next one. We're looking at like more Ball Sports, maybe like a there's a pickled whole group in the area and so like all right, is there does it apply does this metric apply? And so having this as an excuse for us to dig into what makes CrossFit a methodology in a program not just throw some balls of people and way to people and see what they do but there's this is helping us develop. Both as coaches as owners is To be able to talk about it. And then I think take that level 3 because we're embracing it. They the jazzercise. The one is interesting because this is something that I don't think people come to the realization of until they've been doing CrossFit for a while. So, you know, there's three pieces of coach. We're trying to achieve, you know, educate Inspire entertain. Yeah and I think people Overlook the entertainment aspect of that right and and it's easy to do and most of us do it unintentionally because we nerd out and were like, hey, this is how it has to work but there is I mean, I've been to some gyms that let's just say the coaching was not good, you know like and and nope it's not because they were resistant to Lou to continue education or anything like that. They just didn't know what they didn't know. Yeah. I tell you what the people in that gym or having a good time and the Packed and people are moving terribly and I have to take a step back and say this is a good thing like like is is back as much as I want to go in here and start correcting these movements. This is a good thing people are moving. They're having a good time and this business owner is having a positive effect and giving people, you know the best our of their day and sometimes I have to take stock in that say, okay good coaching. We got systems are people having fun. Yeah. That's why people come back like you don't leave CrossFit Gyms because they had a bad experience for the most part they lie because they because they come in different they become indifferent about CrossFit like they're just kind of like me, you know, and at that point is when you lose people burpees again. Yeah, I think the fun and maybe this is this gets a little bit more existential or a little bit, you know, philosophical and the exploration of fun. I do think entertainment simply for entertainments sake Will eventually run its course and stagnate and it becomes sort of the fast-food of Fitness right like Soldier fit or these, you know aren't them I don't want to bash on but like high intensity interval training programs. Yeah, they're freaking fun. Right you're gonna have a good time at some point. It does Wayne and so the efficacy of this program that's I think the more engaged this is where this platform this podcast is our ability. Flush that kind of stuff out. Six months in we you know, I said, you know what any box needs to challenge in might have I might have heard it on somebody's podcast somewhere or something. If you haven't done.com programming for a year, you can't really call yourself an affiliate. That is a CrossFit affiliate. You got to go back to the Mothership and try it and just do it for no other reason than to say we did it for a year. And so we talked about in the podcast I said we're going to do it screw it we're going to make it and what it really did programming aside going back to what we said. The beginning it made us better coaches because there were some days right like rowing and Cindy call again like it was it was this. Well, what do you do with that? How do you fill the our how do you make people still see that? There's something to be learned there and it it ran its course and we moved on and I think though the worth of fun doesn't mean, you know, roller coasters candy cotton candy and Browns fun can just Be hard and grind e if the intention is set correctly, if you coach the crap out of it, if you have the person's best interest in it, if you do all those other things that make you a professional not just oh here's the here's the timeline. Here's me. Here's my cats and I'm going to herd them through the our it's interesting you say that because that was going to be my question to you is like what are some of the things that what are some of the unintentional consequences of the podcast and doing.com that you guys have noticed Within Or coaching like because I like I know what it's brought for me as far as things that I've developed and I've improved at because I write a blog because I do podcast because when the YouTube channel and the the result of that were none of the things that I was trying to achieve I was just doing things like you said selfishly because I was trying to either document something or just dumped my mind on do some platform. But what did you guys find? I think people really like people really Buy in and I think it almost they feel like they're just as much a part of the conversation as to what's happening in the gym in the community as we are and so yes, we're the owners. Yes where the coaches but it's created this relationship where they feel like they're there they are and they are just as important as what's on the Whiteboard as the methodology as anything that goes on inside this building and even outside of it for me the M as a coach. I often found myself defaulting to When I did this work out or way I felt about this or you know, that sort of by the way the last hard class at the prep school was 1999 just like when I was there, yeah, you got it right like that. That's narcissistic like this is about me and I'm The Benchmark and blah blah blah, which I think for some like it still comes in every now and then if you're talking to somebody who has an athlete who's very similar and kind of moves in the same way you can Vide context and you know referential experience but what I found with these podcasts was especially when we would do one-on-one interviews with people is the patience of actually listening to somebody story ask and I think either you said it or Ackerman said it ask one more. No bending it was when you had Chuck on our cars that's that's a car as well. That's it. One more question. And I took a freaking got a second Master's in Wellness coaching, which is all about active questioning. And I still took me doing this and putting it into practice. Ask one more question. Take another breath ask somebody another question. What does it feel like? Well, where do you think it fell apart? Well, what would it feel like if it was going? Well, you know, like stuff like that of these open-ended nowise all what's where's house? What do you think and please Solutions like a providing Solutions? Like let them come to it and taking Thirty forty five extra seconds in the middle. Of a class feeling like oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. We're going to run over. Oh my God. Oh my God, wait, take a breath ask him a question. And now all of a sudden somebody goes from this like defeated internally rotated shoulder to big smiles and they're actually having fun because they're a part of the process. I saw we did an interview with this with a really close friend. She was when she started coaching here as since moved and the first time we interviewed her. I had a timeline. I didn't the questions we moved on that it the feedback I got was a script for god sakes. Yeah the back we got was why did you guys stop it seemed like she had so much more to say. Oh my gosh blah blah blah and I'm like, so we did a part 2 and I opened it with I cut you off we need to do this again. Let's dig deeper and it was an awesome. Like that was a byproduct that I've seen. An echo of my last two years of teaching at school here like everywhere of just take a breath and ask another question. What about your When it comes to the podcast or just I was just all of it in general like that communication piece. Yeah. I mean I kind of feel the same way about Jack like there's all these things that kind of come and gone. And so whether it's in the podcast and talking about things and I think with me a lot of times because I get my own head a lot as a lot of people do talking through things helps me a lot with all these other things and so sitting and talking about, you know, your episode on the Whiteboard brief. Yeah, we Throughout that one of our meetings and like how important that whiteboard brief is but also like don't get yourself caught up in it too much and like I listened to the podcast like all that stuff. I'm really makes a lot of sense and then we talked about it more and I started realizing. Oh, I really do this and I don't do this and so just that little thing I think if it take if it took made three to five minutes of my class that much better on a daily basis, then that's a win and even it was, you know said 3045 seconds. Just ask another question. So something the podcast which I think a lot of people are like what do you really have to talk about for an hour? Yeah a lot where I think we're on our now, so I mean, yeah, the thing that I've learned particularly when you have a community and that Community starts to grow as it starts to go from 10 to 15 22, whatever it's going to be a couple hundred. And this is something I've repeatedly have to and I still do to this day have to communicate to the staff is that there is no such thing as over-communicating like it is it is 100% without a doubt impossible to do because number one not everybody's on every medium. Right? Not. Everybody's checking Instagram or Facebook all the time. They're like, well, it's too many posts on like it's not a thing like that is that's a that's not how the algorithm works, but be pleased to make sure that people know what is going. On and that is a huge thing that I've learned is that when we communicate it has to go out on every medium like even if it seems like overly redundant it's like send it out. Like if you do a podcast figure out how to transcribe it and put in written form. If you do a video for how to take that and make it into a podcast like there is there's just no end to that communication like it you just need to do it. And then what you find over time is you refine it and you get better at it and you figure out different ways to spin it and you're never it's never Good enough. And that's the hard part about all of this in my his you feel like you should be mastered at some point and just like that. We put a post up on Instagram on the best our panel yesterday about programming and I feel like the communication Pieces Just Like programming. It's something you are never going to master. It is only something that you evolve into and it and that's it. And that's the point and I think the intention is always to to find the consistency of what you're trying to Say and so that's actually a question I had for you guys. Have you answered it that releasing an episode every day at this point to me from where we're coming from our perspective. I'm like man that is just that feels like over stimulation, but it would be over stimulation because it would be over stimulation for us. We're like, it's a it is now in a weekly cycle for us because the podcast is sort of the thing where We hash out the week of thoughts and you know what I mean, but for you guys it isn't it's definitely it's serving its purpose of its these little chunks of knowledge where we can you can come back to him and it becomes a resource for coaches affiliate owners and stuff that come so that's it. I'm glad you said that well, it's also their different, you know, so context matters, like if somebody was going to suggest they were going to do a daily podcast for an affiliate that would be that would that would be exhausting, you know? Once a week is plenty a Bi weekly podcast is is plenty enough for most Affiliates, but this is different just because we have so many people we want to talk to you and going back to what you said before and I've said this repeatedly on the podcast like it's selfish and you asked me a question is like why did you guys start the podcast? And the reason we started the podcast? Excuse me is because you know, how come and I talked about this for probably far too long before we started was we're having all these conversations anyway, Yeah, we were having this conversation. We were having the conversation with Chuck and at some point the the selfishness of that kind of got to me and I was like other people say I think want to be a part of this conversation. They're just not physically here. So why don't we just share that with the world? Like, why don't we just open up that that discussion to everybody because like clearly we're passionate about it. We all know there's no shortage of people that like to talk about CrossFit. So why don't we just Open that up to the world and it's been amazing and I think going back to you know, not because we're amazing. It has nothing to do with that. It's just because like we are passionate about it. Just as other people are we just happen to have resources because of because of what we do professionally, but the key takeaway and probably why your podcast is successful within your gym is because it is selfish because it provides value to you but it also provides value to everybody in your immediate circle and I think that comes as back to your original thing of why even if we are a gym of 60 people and you know our of a small little circle the reason is exactly the same your circles just a little bit bigger because you guys have access to these big name things and you serve a purpose the audience it feels you nailed it. It feels exactly the way you describe it. Like I feel like I know I the Tosh episode a nap time and talk to Tasha in a long time. He was at the Academy. He's behind the scenes a lot help them with my own gold, but it was great to hear. It was great to hear you two talking it felt like I was in the room with two guys. I know but even if I didn't know him, which I had a chance to talk to somebody who listen to the podcast and were like wow that was a really great insight into endurance training and mindset and stuff. And and so the it serves these secondary tertiary stream purposes that we don't even know that the ripple effect. It's yours is the exact same reason as ours the volume or the size of the audience doesn't matter. If it was just the truth. It's really doing it. Yeah, it's Irrelevant in the podcast that if some of them like if some of those podcasts never saw the light of day, like I selfishly would have been like I got something out of this but like we're just fortunate enough to be able to put them on this medium and go out. Yeah from a from a from an affiliate owner standpoint. I guess my practical advice would be, you know, figure pops doing a podcast as not Right like it's real. It's so incredibly easy. Like just I got an iPhone. Yeah. I have an iPhone and if you're if you're struggling with how to start that here is my bison. You guys can give me yours find the person that you find most interesting in the gym. Hmm by them coffee sit down. You don't have to tell them what you're going to talk about press record and start asking them questions. Holy and then and now side of that the other thing is, maybe you're not good at writing. But like when just pushed me just my wife when she pushed me to start writing the blog she was like you don't she's like you don't have to talk at people. She's like just tell them about yourself. Right? So I write my blog and my brought my blog is is mostly the the comedy that is my life. You don't have that many spelling and grammar errors. By the way, I disagree with you you it was a very humble brag. It's actually pretty clean buddy. I'm deaf. Well, I definitely it's evolved I would say about But like one of the things I was always very conscious of his I don't want to talk at people. I just want to tell people my story and this is like this is what I learned take it or leave it. Like if you don't read it, it's fine. It's partially not for you. Anyway, it's for me. So but the feedback that we've gotten off of that and that I've gotten personally in the feedback that we get from the from the podcast it is it's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay to say I don't have all the answers. It's okay to say like I messed up and it Fosters that community in that bond that you really really want in an affiliate, which is like people they want to get something more than Fitness out of coming into the walls of the tank. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What else we gonna I don't know you probably haven't listened to ours and I didn't tell you this in the the right of that I sent to you. So we do a thing at the end of ours Chris and Doug have their pet peeve of the week decided. We wanted to do a gratitude of the week. Oh, okay simple, you know, it can be as big as world. Peace and it can be as simple as I'm wearing these so mine is and it I'll give you so here's mine. Good Eric gave me these. We women shorts. I'm showing I'm showing Jason on the camera. Yep. He cant see it again. He's a while back and they have an insert in them like an underwear insert. Okay, like so you don't have to wear underwear. If you don't want to yep. Well the longest time I didn't like the shorts because I wouldn't wear underwear because I have the insert and it sucked or whatever. So I started wearing underwear with them and I'm really grateful that I did. I love these shorts. They're like my new shorts. It's like it just it feels you'll secure novel. I feel very snuggle. That's my gratitude of figuring out like you're still allowed to wear underwear. Even if you've got inserts in those shorts. So there you go. Eric Hanson work yesterday. Yeah, really? Yeah, the other things held together. Yeah. All right, Eric. What do you got some irons actually, so so my oldest brother Michael just celebrated his 40th birthday and so for the longest time, so my dad's name is Michael Lewis. My brother's name is Michael James. I'm Eric Michael and my brother is Steven James. And so I used to like rag my parents like yeah, right like use G Michael's been used three times. James has been used twice. I was like, why are my parents so lazy when it comes to like me and I was talking to my sister the other day and she goes who's Jennifer and so that she she got away from Shane's and I blink and she goes well, you know, why those your middle names right? I'm like, yeah, cause mom and dad got lazy. She goes no. No she goes when you and so I have a twin brother something goes when you and see him. Were born they wanted to give you each one of Michael's name's Michael and James so that that way you always had a gift from your older brother. And so the Michael James my older brother. I'm Eric Michael and me and Steven and Steven James. So we always have this gift of the name of my older brother. I was like, oh man that was so I was like, I feel like a jerk for all these years say my parents were lame. That's cool that story. So anything they were labor not tell me stories. So I'm so my gratitude is my parents and my brother and that kind of thought him behind. What I thought were just boring like middle names. I like it. I'll go to my turn. I I'm grateful for having some people in my inner circle who are free of judgment for the amount of mistakes that I make on a daily basis So for anybody, who's not yeah for anybody who's not been in the in the Inner Circle of somebody who is very entrepreneurial in nature. It can be a rough road like you just kind of have to follow this person into The Fray and hope that you come out okay on the other end and I'm lucky to have some ride-or-die people in my circle that they kind of get it and they've told me they're like we get it we're on board. It's fine like which has helped me acknowledge a lot of mistakes along the way which is well Foster. All of those relationships are like, hey guys, I really thought that up. I'm sorry. So lesson learned moving on forward, so If you can be vulnerable and you can bring those people in your inner circle life gets real good. Yeah, that's a good one man. That's a good one. All right. Jack. Oh no. Yo reader But Eric chime in here, too. What if you could recommend a book doesn't have to be a business book and I know you guys were hip to this already because you listened to the podcast but like what would it be? I forgot? No, I forgot about this house listening to one of the episodes recent as I was walking. Oh with Chris Irwin Chris Irwin. Yeah is that your says that 97 grad so is right and I just, you know, he and I rode together to while we were there. I didn't know that yeah, we were we were in a for together at the stoats not stoats at Nationals his thirsty his senior my sophomore year young. Yeah, first the youngster for all the neighborhood Diner the left over here the leftover boat and we loved it. We had the modest. Yeah, I like it. So yeah, I heard his recommendation of do work could press fields. That was a good choice, but I let Eric jump in that's what it's so books. I'm currently reading. If You Give a Mouse a Cookie Babar summer picnic and and then one about Fiona the hippo so if you Cookie don't sell that short write that whole series is about consequences yes, and it's this idea of just because you think it will like everything everything is connected everything will come back so the idea of you know Nietzsche's Eternal recurrence like the heaviness of life is that everything comes back to Uh serve its purpose also toddlers love it. So I was gonna I was gonna say don't sleep on the kids books. Yeah a lot to be learned there. Look at those like this is an amazing lesson. It is it is very difficult. Even after she's already asleep and you find yourself still reading it. You're like, oh, I guess you're enjoying. This is fun. I definitely have a list really really long. And so I was trying to think of like what's been most impactful and is come up. There's two actually that I'm going to cheat one is Nepal her Ari's sapiens, which oh, yeah, Joe writer Joe Rogan talk about that. Yeah, if you want to talk about something, he's a he's a historian and he's amazing at it his second one home a dais. I didn't think was as good but the sapiens there is a couple middle chapters that explain so much about language and the way we form and things that make me really go. Oh my gosh that totally makes sense and we are still monkeys. Yeah, it can be applied like universally as a species culturally as our country and then in the box like you can see the different levels of it and then there's one this is a straight-up nerd text. I actually sent it to Bergeron a while back and never heard anything. So, I don't know if you ever got it. So if you listen if you listen to your podcast and he hears this, you know, I don't know but he does use the phrase best out of their day quite a bit on his body, but it's called the metaphor. We live by. Okay, and it it again. It defines how language works that you can't get away from metaphors that everything we talk about is in metaphors because it is experientially powerful and it's how we Orient ourselves to things. We don't understand two things. We do understand and so we teach it tingly they loved it to the top 50 in the class that It resonates and so it's a great. Those are my two sort of if you're in this coaching space we use language as our medium to convey to people experiential importance. You need to be thinking about the language you use and that's a great book to do it. I like it. Now, I will tell you you can get away it like metaphors can get out of hand, right? So that's one thing if you get into well, this is just from a practical standpoint from a coaching and public speaking standpoint like metaphors are a great. But in small doses so right there, but do you get that's a metaphor exactly when some of there was an article recently in the morning chalk up of why still use our X and I think she's wrong. I forget who wrote it. I can't remember anymore sudden. I don't know but I know your feelings. I think she's wrong because if you look at it, it's a metaphor. It's a perspective metaphor. It's like a doctor doesn't just write things. Advil doesn't come in whatever dose you want comes in 200 milligram capsules because it has an efficacy now. You can take four carat. This is the analytical part part of Jack coming out here right now. Yeah, it does not Ray comes in a bottle of you know, 40 capsules 200 milligrams of thing because there's a there's a consistency to it. And so prescription Rx is a thing. It's just badly used a lot of times and so that greed which is a whole nother topic that we could literally do a topic just on that which we know do there you go. That's a metaphor. That's a metaphor one. One book that Jack you turned me onto which I read which is a really good one is influence great book, right? That's a great book. So if you have not read influencing your in the customer service business and you need to read influence understand all that stuff, but big takeaway for today guys learn how to communicate with your team with your partners with the community and you can do that be a whole bunch of different mediums and there is no over communication. It is not so do it awesome guys, huh? Guys got places to be thank you for time. This was fun. I appreciate it. Thanks. Yep. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. 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So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Virgo. Thanks so much for tuning into your audio horoscope for Libra season in 2019. Libra season is the span of time between September 23rd and October 23rd in this horoscope. I'm going to be looking at more. Major and significant themes throughout this month interpreting the planetary or is the diagonal influences in what are called. The cardinal signs Libra is a cardinal sign and throughout the month all of the personal planets the sun Venus Mercury and Mars will be moving through this sign forming aspects to important planetary influences in the other cardinal signs, and this includes Capricorn Aries and Cancer for you Libra rules. You're Solar second house. And this is the place in the chart where we find information about value value systems and valuables. Basically here we find information about your self-worth your self-esteem your ability to sustain yourself to ask for or get what you need. This can include resources of all kinds so then the idea of value systems. Important. What do you value? What do you need to accumulate and of course resources such as money or food are really important resources for all of us and so in the second house specifically we find information about your finances and earned income and your liquid assets Capricorn rules your solar fifth house the fifth house pertains to your authentic energy and creative expression. So for all of us, this means simply that when we feel our most authentic how we express ourselves and the relationship that we have to our own unique expression in the world this place in the chart also describes what you do to express yourself uniquely. And so this may be creative projects or art projects or ways that you engage with the world because you have a particular Talent OR skill. Finally the fifth house pertains to children as a very large creative project if you are creating them or if you are helping them in some way and children can also include your own inner child and child energy how you nurture again your authentic expression and vitality Aries rules your solar Eighth House. The 8th house has to do with shared Resources with the way that you come in. Into deeper and emotional entanglements or attachments with other people in classical astrology. This place in the chart is also are often referred to as the house of sex death money and power so you can imagine shared resources or energy that is exchanged between people through sex through death with money or with power in this part of the chart. We find information about your deeper. Subconscious motivations your shame your fears your insecurities. And also the way that you are relating with other people in deeper and potentially more subconscious means through power through manipulation through attachment through deep love but these are deep and very complex situations in your life that has to do with your relationships and entanglements with others finally cancer rules your solar 11th house the 11th house pertains to a greater social experience who you are within a group and who the group is or your experiences there with them. So the group can include a social group, it can include larger social identities or movements. It can also include a projection. Of kind of what you want other people to think of you or how you want them to receive you in terms of like an audience or just your general reception in the social space. And in this part of the chart, we find a lot of information about your hopes and your doubts your worries. So over the course of these next 30 days my friend. What is in the Highlight? What's in Focus are your Values your value systems and your money this place in the chart is where a lot of energy is coming into from these other themes that I have mentioned and where you might find your thoughts circulating around where you might be able to make some important choices or take action around other larger contexts. So first I want to say that when you are relating with other people around Value and this includes your self-esteem and includes your value system and it definitely includes money in compensation. You have to honor yourself. You have to respect yourself and you have to honor and respect others don't mistrust people. Don't treat them as if they are trying to cheat you and don't be missed untrustworthy and don't try and cheat people try and move Beyond this really a boring and destructive way of relating around value that capitalism has encouraged for all of us, which is basically trying to one-up each other all the time. That way of being is so toxic it is so unhelpful to all of us and particularly to you at this moment. You really want to be in integrity and alignment with value right now and that includes money. It includes your self-esteem it includes. Were value systems. What do you think is important? What is important is not what kind of surface accolades you receive? What is important is not a fleeting or temporary validation. It's not a fleeting or a temporary gain over another person because of their exploitation or their suffering. What should be important right now is all benefit which should be important are projects that somehow serve a greater future, which should be important is Right relationship and relationships that feel supported and sustained by their ongoing integrity and transparency and willingness to be real with one another if you're having conversations around money this month try and do so with as much honesty and compassion as you possibly can also So with respect to your own needs and to the realities of others be diplomatic be fair be clear about what you need and be clear about your own value what you should receive in compensation or for support. If you are a person who is a Creator if you are an artist or if you are a person who is kind of grappling with your self-expression right now with your Your pride or your courage around just being yourself. I really want you to reflect deeply on the value of your authenticity. No one else in the world has your perspective no one else in the world is able to meet whatever challenges and opportunities or work with resources and the way that you can uniquely now that doesn't mean that you need to be the best. It doesn't mean that the best can. Exist what it means is that you really want to take pride in. What is authentic for you right. Now? What is authentic for you right now is what's sustainable? It's not in trying to uphold anything that taxes you it's not in again trying to be anything that you're not or trying to build something for other people's validation. That isn't really in congress with what you value. With what you enjoy when it comes to your authentic expression over the course of the next five or six months, you're whittling down some aspect of it. You're trying to refine what it is that you're offering you might be really graphically grappling with some tough questions about how you express yourself just like questions of money. I want to encourage you to expect that other people. Love you. That your authentic expression is received in the world in ways that are positive that when you give yourself with transparency and with enthusiasm that others appreciate it let go of any ideas about being the best don't strive for that strive for your personal best which again is sustainable. It's authentic and it's enjoyable now if you are a parent or if you are somehow involved Evolved in children's lives. There may be a lot of fear that you're experiencing right now or there may be a lot of challenge that you're dealing with with your kids. They need to be held with the same kind of consideration that I've been talking about with your projections on other people. They need to feel that they can express themselves. Authentically that they are valued for who they are. If you're trying to make choices in regards to your kids right now, see if you can make choices that really help them conceive of their future in a way that is not Fantastical. They need practicality right now and practicality is something very different than it has been in the past when when you were a kid and your parents were talking you to you about what was practical. Certainly when your parents were kids what's practical right now is not learning how to save money. It's not preparing yourself for college exams. What's practical right now is really honestly considering the state of the world and thinking about viable solutions for how younger Generations can exist in this world presently and work in their teachers towards a world that is more Equitable that is more environmentally sound and stable. So your kids might need help thinking about their future in really different ways than you've ever had to conceive of and for you to be able to give them that support they need you to listen. They need you to connect with their values and they need you to face your fears if your kids are really young and this isn't something that they're considering. It might be something that you're considering. And in that case. I really want you to consider how you can use what is most valuable to you to leverage their potential in the future. That might mean your money it might mean investing really differently spending really differently working very differently with consumption or with resources. It might mean that you need to shift your value systems away from Something that is more outdated or superficial into something that is again more practical and relevant for the moment now consider the future and the impact that you will have in your larger communities through your expression. And if you have children through their expression through their growth through their potential and try to trust the future, but also try and work skillfully with it. Try and show up with as much honesty and integrity and clarity as you possibly can value what you know is the most valuable don't value superficiality don't value something that is surface and fleeting try and value the deepest essence of what is important to you. That's what I have for you for now for go. I hope that this horoscope is interesting for you and that it will be helpful throughout your month ahead. If you'd like to know more specifics about astrology As you move through the month, please become a subscriber when you subscribe and you can subscribe by donation at any amount you'll have access to subscriber only content and that includes day-by-day descriptions of planetary aspects and transits and the lunar cycles and suggestions for how to work with their opportunities and their challenges. Thank you so much for listening. I'm wishing you all the best in Libra season and Beyond bye for now.

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best our of their day Fern here Bethany Werner, right? We are in Whistler Canada. We just basically wrapped up the 10-year affiliate Gathering. So she was here for that as well. What'd you think of the weekend? It was amazing? Yeah. I really dug the fact that it was like super loose schedule. Yeah. So it was it was the opposite of everything else that is CrossFit which is like tight timelines got things to do do a lot of stuff. This was a lot.Of eating and drinking and a lot of drinking and a lot of downtime and and then a little bit of you know, kind of interaction with coach and stuff like that and what you think about is his talk yesterday. I'm so hyped up. So motivated again. It was exactly what I needed at this point in one way and I ask that because I think a lot of people there's some obvious obvious. is skepticism rolling around the community and so you said you feel awesome, which I think a lot of people are now intrigued as to why I'm coming up on 10 years in CrossFit. So I've seen it take different iterations over the years and I definitely got caught up in the competition for a while and it felt like a kick in the stomach a year ago when they change that very abruptly and as a masters athlete they changed what we were doing as well. What age group you're in the 42? 42 44 5. Yeah, I'm 43. Got it. Okay. But over the last year to see how things actually worked out in practice and it was great. I loved watching the games. Did you watch the whole weekend or most of it when you screamed nearly every bit of it? Yeah, that's cool and most people don't know that and we talked about it a little bit but like if the V gain or the broadcast of the games was broadcast more widely by a significant margin than it has ever been broadcast. So I was like, well, it was readily available to virtually anybody that wanted to watch it. I was like a hundred. Some crazy amount of amount of entities took the stream and broadcast it was crazy. So I'll just watch the Rogue feed and it was the best one. The quality was fantastic. It felt like the old games broadcast. Yeah, that's cool. Maybe even better. Okay and then so back to so for those of you who don't know. So the this gathering in Whistler Canada was for Affiliates that have been around for ten plus years. Not everybody was right on 10 years. I think there was like 30 We're going to hit 10 years before the end of 2019. I think the I think the numbers I think I saw it on morning chalk up or is like 800 Affiliates that meet that mark of which I think 200 plus we're here. So I think that's pretty badass to get a quarter of the Affiliates that were your starters that are still around there. I think that's awesome. Yeah. I thought it was like CrossFit. it of old it was like it felt very 2008 2007 a lot of like old faces and just it's really cool to see people around but I thought his talk was a great he so he spoke for the obviously guys weren't here, but he's Combined him talking and QA was 3 hours. So tell me a little bit about what you thought about it. It reminded me why we're doing this it were there for the members were making people's lives better. We're not here to do the 300-pound snatch and to win the CrossFit games. That's why my gym is open. That's why I wake up in the morning super energized. And now I'm just extra energized going back taking that with me. That's cool. So if anybody want like spoiler alert here, so he did open his talk with like and I think he kind of just popped those those skepticism balloons. He was he There is no crisis the company's not going public or anything like that. Everything's fine. It's just change and we all know how people feel about change particularly. If you own an affiliate, you know, people feel about change which kind of leads to some of the things we're going to talk about is you have to Affiliates. Yes that are not co-located not even close. Yeah. So tell me it's all tell us about that. So you have one in a while. And then your other one is CrossFit Sandy in Sandy Utah as my first affiliate. We just reached our 10 years. We're a couple of weeks ago. So I'm here at this event and then an opportunity came up at the end of 2018 for me to buy a CrossFit Kapaa on the island of Kauai and I took that over on January 1st. How does that how do you get a presented with a purchase of a business not in the continental United States? Honestly, it was the Affiliated owners group on Facebook. We're all good things happen. It was Halloween morning and the post poped up. And I took a screenshot of it and send it to my husband who is on a business trip and said Fun Day Dreaming, right? And he responded you can do this and we're doing it at school. So and you've been there and that acquisition was Final and how long have you been there? I flew out on December 30th taught my first class in the morning the 31st and you're coming up on a year itch. Okay. How's it been so far? So much better than I could have imagined. That's great. It wasn't wasn't as hard as I thought the community was more welcoming and the benefits of the drop-ins and the landscape and just everything about that place is fantastic. So obviously don't have to give a numbers here, but I do think the discussion of a purchase or an acquisition comes up fairly regularly in the CrossFit community and a lot of people do them very very differently. But how was that negotiation and process for you? Was it painful? Was it messy? Like how did how did it kind of go? It was fairly easy. It was a series of a few emails to tell the truth really. We had one phone conversation sent some emails with follow-up questions. Then I basically took the inventory list send it to Rogue and said, what would it cost if I was going to buy this equipment new and get it shipped to Kawaii and I made an offer based on what the equipment was worth. Did you go by you went on you presented your offer based on new equipment I use that to inform. My decision, I'd appreciate it it thought it okay and then just out of curiosity. Do you mind that like I know generally what read what resale equipment would go for and it's generally not 50% of what new would be. Yeah. I just sold a bunch of stuff from one of our other facilities and like there are there are things that that maintain value rowers bikes probably 60 to 70 percent of their about everything else like 50% immediately like the day that you purchase. It's like a car it is like it's a bad investment if you're trying to resell it. so be now did you was that basically the purchase one down like you bought the so there's a couple different scenarios if a business is profitable then I'm doing some sort of multiple of income or if it's not generally what you're doing is you're essentially just buying their equipment and assuming a lease and memberships. Is that basically how you're excited. Yeah, which is Unfortunately, probably the vast majority of purchases in the CrossFit community and I say unfortunately because that just means that largely people are not running like super profitable businesses, which is kind of the point of this podcast that things were trying to change so that people can propel. What are the purpose of this podcast on things that we do is to? Continue to push the community forward in coaching and business and there's a lot of people doing it in business, but then in our experience and what you and I'll let you speak about this a little bit is like the coaching Community is largely what I get the sense is starved information-wise. So, okay, so you still have your your other facility and you're in Kauai and then so you're coaching the vast majority of classes at this point. Yeah. It's a light schedule we have four classes a day. Two hours of open gym and I cover all but five hours per week. Okay, and if anybody needs time off that I cover those other five hours to how many other coaches you have three. Okay, so they don't coach a ton do the is that part time for them? They obviously do something else. Okay. It's a pageant prep passion for them that they coach got it. Do you have a plan to I don't want to say remove yourself but work out of that 80 our coach, you know classes a month deal. I had a plan it hasn't gone as planned. Okay. I thought that I'd moved to the island get to know people recruit some coaches that weren't coaching. I just figured in a community like that. There'd be every Talent available and there hasn't been to date. So now the plan B is start to develop with help from within we're just going to be a slower process, but probably yield an outcome that I'm gonna be more comfortable with in the long run. I'll give you plans see we're putting it out right now on the podcast if you want to move to Hawaii and Coach CrossFit CrossFit Kapaa is looking for a so which I think Obviously, there's two scenarios. I can develop my coaches within or I can pull them from the outside and I think that people are And I get it, right so it's CrossFit and a lot of ways. We think we're unique. However, we are not in many many many ways that people get real weird about bringing somebody from the outside into kind of I don't to say take over and and Shepherd your your herd, but kind of yeah, right but there are some really good coaches that are from the outside that would like that would do that and we talked about this on I think it was a coach compensation podcast with Todd that there there there is a Area where you absolutely could do that and something there like there are absolutely great candidates to do that. So if you're interested hit us up will hand you off at the knee can do an interview with you and then and then she can get some overtime back. What's been the biggest struggle with from a on the business side because you are now. 100% removed from your now tenure affiliate The biggest struggle is ensuring that my values are continued even when I'm multiple thousands of miles away. Do you have a GM at the other spot? I do I got incredibly lucky. This is really what's made the second Jim a possibility for me co-owner of a gym out of Miami got married. His wife got a job in Utah. They moved up to Utah he sold out of his other gym. Okay, that was kind of a dream scenario. Oh, yeah, super experienced coach great energy super knowledgeable. So he coached for me for six months and then this opportunity presented itself to buy the second gym. So I went to him and said would you be interested in it? Because if he hadn't been interested I wouldn't have taken the next step. That's interesting. So you that's kind of how it should work. So you had the GM in place before this came up you this wasn't you didn't get a GM in a reactionary fashion to having this opportunity to come up. Yes again. Okay. Okay. That's great. Yeah, that's what you should a lot of people including myself have done it backwards. So and I regret it afterwards. So that was a mistake. So, okay, and then how much how much enter so I'm I This is a selfish question for me. How do you manage that GM from afar? What's the time difference there for hours your peasant of it's daylight savings are not but currently four hours sometimes three hours. Okay. Okay. So what kind of was that communication like right so there are people that are considering opening another gym. Most of them are going to be co-located in the same region or city. How are you keeping tabs to ensure that your values still exists within the gym like what is that management look like for you? It's a lot of communication via. An email periodic phone calls, but we're both more typing kind of people than talking. Okay, so we touch base on a lot of things and then when I am in town, we sit down we spend a lot of time together. I spent every minute I can in the gym getting the vibe talking to the members getting feedback from everyone. We've got cameras in the gym too. So I can turn Barn it's good. Listen. I'm not above any of that. We've got a couple of robberies facilities. So that was the original reason that we I installed them but it it's nice to be able to turn it on and see hey, you know the gym actually got clean when it was supposed to get cleaned things look safe. Yep. Do you do you guys have any set kind of battle rhythm with regard to meetings that you guys do like a do you check in with him on specific days for specific things we started out that way but now it's become more as needed. It works out to be about every other week. Whispers verbal communication. Yeah, and then I will be assuming you have some form of communication almost daily. Couple times a week. Okay, he's good. Okay, he's really quite independent. That's great. Yeah, and then how much of the business easy manage so it because this is always a question that comes up is like well do does he do they get to see all the finances? Like how does all of that work? Like people get really freaked out about that. I still control the finances. He's not working on that part because he's the member experience. He brings on new clients chases down the leads coaches throughout the day manages it. Watching schedules does all the programming and then the other question people would have is and there's I don't I actually don't think there's a right or wrong. I just think it depends for as far as compensation when you brought him on was that did you guys agree upon a salary or is he paid hourly or percentage basis for programs and stuff like that that's changed actually since we started even since the first of the year initially it was going to be on a per class basis and then then a flat amount for administrative tasks and it wasn't terribly satisfied with that and we had some negotiating going on about five months into the process. And now he has a flat salary and I'm proud to say we're playing paying him a women living wage now, that's fantastic. I mean, I'm put you in a very small minority as far as CrossFit Gyms. I can do that. How has the gym gone? Have you seen growth as it been steady? Like are you pretty happy with it? We had a massive culture change last summer in that he pushed hard for putting members on contracts, which we had never done before and philosophically. It was really hard to persuade me that it was of value to the gym and to the members, but we've done that there was a little bit of attrition when we initially did that but small I'm talking like 5% maybe so Let's talk about that. Right? So there's two for anybody that hasn't had this conversation or doesn't understand there were just weird CrossFit gym owners are weird. We're far too. Nice. That is a very much far more mental. Probably correct philosophical. Wrestling match than it is just like to actually do it, right. So I'm genuinely curious. How did you switch your mindset? How did you get to the point? How are you wrestled over to the other side? You're like, alright, let's do it. I'm good. We talked about it in terms of what it would allow us to do as an organization instead of just having CrossFit wads. We were able to broaden the schedule introduce some open gym some specialty classes like an OCR specialty class a lower skill Crossings OCR obstacle course racing got it. Lots of folks that are into the Tough Mudders the Spartans. It was a prep program from them. Do you guys have I mean, what do you guys have a special equipment for that? We've had that I've always been kind of into strongman stuff. I used to be the summer of strongmen. So I bought from an event a bunch of leftover sandbags slashed tires all those sorts of things. Okay, and then as far as I can allowing you to do that. I'm assuming that we're talking about I have for the most part guaranteed revenue is that we're talking about. Yes. Okay. What was your hesitation? Why didn't why didn't you want to do it? Because I love the old-school thought, you know, if we're excellent, they'll stay I'm going to be so good. Nobody's going to want to leave. and Yeah, that does just doesn't play out in reality. So talk about that a little bit because it's like myself included. We all take we all think worst-case scenario is that reality is if you look at all your members like most I mean assuming you don't really suck. They're all going to be there for at least a year. Right. So do you guys let me know so this is the I'm gonna put you on the spot here. Do you guys have did you do any price changes when you put a contract or did you just take everybody move them over? Same price point but I'm going to go put them on because the price o not substantially but $10 a month was the very lowest rate $10 more than what they had and paying been paying would be the lowest rate. Okay, and that was with a one-year commitment. So what kind of pushback did you get from the wrist? Very little I was shocked and the questions that I did get were surprising. Like what can you ensure that we retain the same staff that will have our coaches that we love that's a legit question. But a great question that that was what they were concerned about was wonderful that's almost like cheating meaning that That's a super easy response in the sense that your responses because we're doing this. I can now guarantee that with the exception of some crazy stuff happening, but you're like absolutely that's why we're doing it and they're like, oh, okay cool bring it up. When we Britt when we raised our prices a couple years ago. there was a handful of people that we did like a six-month roll up because the price increase was going to be pretty substantial for them because they've been with us for eight years when we were doing stupid stuff for with regard to pricing before that and nothing I would tell anybody who's getting ready to go through some sort of contract conversion or price increase that five percent would be a massive loss of membership meaning like 5% of your base leaves because you do this that would be an incredible number like most of the time it's less than 1% and if you do the math You see you still come out net positive because you brought the price up and you're lost two people who reality is were probably going to leave anyway, because they're probably your number one guy purrs complainers or just people like that. So that's awesome. And then so what what kind of that process look like? So talk to me about the communication of that because that's super important. It was a soft roll that initially we started talking about in class has frequently and then there was an official notice about a month and a half before it was going to take place and we kept talking about it and talking about it sending emails saying you need to pick your commitment level and then we got down to the wire and they're still people not making the commitment. So we said if you say nothing, this is what we're going to do. We're going to put you in the lowest rate possible. You'll get a one-year term unless you tell me otherwise and then we're there people that just did no communication. You just switch them over. Yes. Luckily the check-in system that we use if they haven't signed a contract yet. It would pop up with the contract and force them to sign it before they were able to check in for the next class. Okay. And then what what CRM D is your check-in system and you can just move that away from push press. Okay. Do you like it? Yeah. Okay. I know quite a few people that use it do you use it now? That's not what else do you cause you can't just use push press right sugar wide. That's what I thought. You have to use them paired together. They work really nicely together. Okay? Okay, and then Do you know what the number was that you lost and I conversion? If you don't that's fine, I would guess it was about three people and which is a joke. And sometimes you lose people just because you communicated with them. They've haven't been in for a while its billing them every month and the email that catches their attention as what that causes them to cancel finally and I think that was more of the case. So this is going to sound really terrible. So I've had conversations with gym owners and I don't know what your frequency Of communication is with your member-based like whether it's social media email in person text phone call whatever that are hesitant to do things like change prices change Merchant processors because of fear that these people who are not showing up are going to quit when you have to reach out to them and tell them have to change their payment information, right? And to me I'm like, well, I feel like we've identified a problem is Maybe you need to get these people in the gym. But what did you have any of that with regard to I don't like with what frequency do you count like? So I'm a big fan of like we are not an out of sight out of mind a gem like you're going to get no less than two pieces of communication for me on a weekly basis. If you want to unsubscribe them that's completely up to you, but I'm not going to be like you're in and then you never hear from me again. So like how do you guys do it? We do a lot of our communication through sugar wad. There's a pronouncements feature there. So when they log in to look at the work, Out that's when they're going to see a lot of the communication for things that are not super formal, you know does sugar wad do you know do they push notifications? So the clients meaning like will they get a notification on their phone or do they have that is that like a passive where they have to go in and actually look at it. It's a push, but you can turn it off. Okay? Personally, I would like to see far more push notifications within some of those crms because I think that with the ability with people that have the ability to turn it off another one that's super annoying for me and like what if I if you're listening which I don't know if you are but having people have to automatically opt-in to SMS or text function within one of I is incredibly annoying. It should be the other way around like they've opted in for my service. They've said I can communicate with them. It's ridiculous that I have to like track people down to be. Okay. Can you opt in for text messaging so that when the gyms closed you get the text message that I sent out all that. So yeah. Anyway, sorry, that was my intention just complete annoyance with lot of find some sense. But okay, so then what is What's your timeline or do you have a timeline as far as like so your coaching how many classes a month right now, roughly? Idiot, so for those of you that don't go July that is a shitload of glasses. Yes. It's a lot. I've done I did about a six month period where I did no less than 80 but probably average north of a hundred a couple of years ago after I let one of my head coaches go and that is brutal and I don't mean brutal in the sense that like, I don't like to coach. I mean brutal in the sense that that is emotionally exhausting. Right teaching a class is a performance you lay it all out there. You can them everything you've got and then you have to go and re-energize somehow particularly. If you're doing them back to back now. You guys have a little bit. I don't know say like a leaner schedule, but you said you have four classes a day and then two hours of open gym. That's give us six out. So what do those class times look like 6 a.m. Open gym from 7:00 to 9:00 9:00 a.m. For 45 and 6 p.m. She got a decent Gap in the middle of the day then yes. If you open a class times and there would you get would you get more? I don't think so because the population yeah, local members are working and tourists are bursting. Yeah drinks with little umbrellas in them. Okay. So on that note as far as 80 how long you been maintaining that workload since the first of the year. Okay with a couple I've had some guest coaches come out. Yep. Some good friends of come out for three or four weeks and run the gym so I could go back to Utah and check in there. So sorry about that. How do you do that? I were lucky that the facility has a studio apartment attached to it. So it's the best commute ever and I tried to set it up basically like a an Airbnb for coaches. So it's fully stocked. It's clean. It's ready for them to use and they can come and stay teach the classes go have fun during the day and then they keep the place running for me. What is your vetting process? So I know somebody's listening to this be like, I will look back. I should go to Hawaii to date is only been people I know really well. Okay, for example a That worked for me for five years before moving across the country people have coach for me at my gym in Utah and then the most recent was friends of another gym owner people who would guess coach for him. Got it. Would you be open to having like obviously you have to vet them and make sure they're not complete turds. But if you were going to get them, what would it look like? Try to help you out here Bethany. Well, thank you that's going to my to do list a proper vetting procedure because it's been personal relationships this far. Okay, so this is something And I don't want to know when we're going to release his podcast, but I did one with the barbell jobs guy and a lot of what we talked about is like coaches the vast majority don't have an actual resume meaning the resume consists of I like CrossFit, which is not an actual blocking resume like that is still the thing is still a thing and that would be the first piece of the vetting process which is like I have a resume. I've been working at this gym. These are my professional credentials. These are my References at which point you can you can start that process without even having to talk to them and then reach out to some people and figure that out. But would you be open to having some people come out there? Absolutely, right because I'm pretty sure so what's the longest you've had somebody guess coach for you one month as a long time. Yeah, and then what do they have to cover basically just travel to get out there? Yes, and then is there I'm assuming there's compensation involved with that there hasn't so far because it's been my friends got it. Okay, but they have there. Driving my car. They're staying at my house. They basically get her fornication. Yeah, they get a month-long vacation in Hawaii. I feel like I'm not a huge barter or trade person. But I feel like that would be a fair trade. I hope so and a community is something special out there, you know even here I ran into a pair of friends at the 10-year affiliate Gathering who'd been out at my gym for about 10 days and they were there in February and they're asking by name how someone so doing what about her. What about him and not just what they're In the gym, but their lives like they got to know some special people there. That's really cool. And then how big is your community and who I like as far as your crossword Community 40 members? Okay, so it's nice and tight then. Okay, that's great. Do you what's the what's the max? What's the max kind of capacity you feel like you can have their like did you grow to 2 or 300 people or now not enough people. If we added more classes throughout the day if they were spread out at different times certainly we could do that and we have had classes with 15 people and are 700 square foot gym. That's a trick. Yeah, that is a tight. So talk to me about your space, right? So that's that's always another one. So 700 square feet. So for those of you are not big on square footage, it's not big. Yeah. It's considerably smaller than most girls would jump trying to think of what summers work you would be. Well, there's no video version of this webinar, but it's a not big. What does that look like? So what challenges do you have from a coaching standpoint? So let's dive into coaching here for a second. What what are your biggest challenges with regard to space and Logistics that you have to navigate in your gym specifically. I have to program to the space without a doubt double unders are definitely a trick for us to program because that takes up a good amount of space if they're barbells on the floor. It just doesn't happen. Got it. Even box jumps that gets to be a little bit tricky so last week we had a workout with biking rowing double unders and I picked Thursday because that's typically our slowest day of the week A lot of times. I'll have two or three people per class 6 a.m. I've got 800 shit. Yeah. Okay. And so what are some of the things that you've done with regard to the programming that have helped you mitigate that so for and ask this question. A lot of this came up recently. I think it was at a level. Yeah. I was at a level 2. I didn't Kansas City and somebody was like What if I have this and if you've not been coaching a long time and you've not had to be really efficient with your space in your timeline, like you're not forced to be creative in these scenarios. So what are some of the creative things that you've learned to do with regard to that in order to facilitate a 15-person class and a 700 square foot facility dumbbells take up a lot less space than barbells. That's the first thing to look at. Them outside to run instead of using a bike or a rowing machine. Sometimes we do have to go to a partner workout or an alternating Imam or something along those lines all very simple. None of which really change the stimulus of the workout. That's like the first thing that I hear when you sell me that and I don't know why more people don't do that probably myself included. So like we tend to not make that quick distinction of okay a barbell takes up. We'll call it. roughly so it's 7 and going to go to three back. Yeah, roughly 20 square feet right for a barbell right? Not a dumbbell a dumbbell takes up about eight square feet because I just need enough room to stand and hold onto two dumbbells. But I can still for the most part right if it's a metcon I can still get roughly the same loading, right? So if it's a hundred 35-pound you might go 55 to 60 pound dumbbells and even 60 would be a pretty aggressive because that's not a one-to-one transferred. By the way meaning for those of you that don't know what I mean is that let's use like France if you've if you've done friend with a barbell 295 pounds and most people would just go. Okay. Well, I'll just do like 50 pound dumbbells and go to a hundred. That is not the same like it is significantly more difficult to do Fran even though it's only five additional pounds with two dumbbells than it is to do with a 95 pound barbell. So it is generally a lower weight by something to the tune of about 10 to 15 percent anyway, so you can swap out dumbbells and significantly reduce the space required to do the same workout and kind of make it harder for sure. Yeah, so anything else besides those But besides those ideas. I've Gotten Good at the programming and picking which days to bring things in literally two dates. I've been there since January first. There's one day in one class where double unders were included. I had to say, I'm sorry. We just can't jump there 12 of you in the room. Do you generally have a back-up plan with regard to that meaning? Like if I was going to make this a partner workout? This is what I would do immediately. Yes. I generally do have a back-up plan. And I also have maybe tertiary plans for if this person is there and that person is there because my regulars need particular modifications. I've put the bikes in the lobby some days. So, how big is our lobby I have not measured that I would guess 250 300 square feet, but that's not included in your so you have to 700 square foot of a working space. Yes. I'm talking about parking space. Got it. Okay, I was gonna say if you just chopped off and I was like, okay that changes things significantly if we now have 500 square feet. All right, and then do you is that retail space or like okay check in retail. There's a cute little tiki hut for the kids to play in. Cool, and then where your space is located? What kind of properties that is that retails at warehouse or what is it its retail? Okay. We share the building with quite nuts. So the best-smelling neighbors ever they roast these delicious smelling nuts and then adult novelty store right next door to us called hush nuts and adult novelty. I like it. We also specialize in creating salty nuts. There you go. That's your tagline. I really hope that's on your website. What kind of nuts? They wrote their everything wide variety of Academia almonds. I don't even know honestly, I don't shop there because I'm afraid if I start eating I'll never stop. That's a good point like Brazil nuts are like that like Brazil and up in Brazil nuts and macadamia nut. So just eat them all day long and a macadamia nut. For those of you Zone nerds is one block of fat. So yeah another tidbit of useless information rattling around in my brain. Do you do the programming? I did up until two months ago. And I finally broke down and started to use comp train their class version though, right or is it okay their class? So how do you like it? It's good stuff. And for the price, I cannot write my own programming in quality coaches notes for what they're charging is their coaches notes. Is that a lesson plan or is it just like stimulus notes and stuff like that. So it's very detailed. Okay lesson plan. I've never used it. That's why I asked. Uterus called coaches notes where they started. Okay, and then so let me ask you this. Do you how closely do you and your coaches follow the coaches notes? I would say I adhere to it perhaps 80% what causes you to deviate and that 20% the space or just time obviously, it's my experience as a coach. I have particular ways of teaching things that I like. I may use there's once or twice and then decide I like my way better or just to add a little variety to it. I like it. We we used warmth and work out for probably a little over a year and that's because I Trust and know Pat Barber and I am very common in the product they produce but we regularly regularly deviated but I learned a lot by using their stuff because he would program things that I would probably never program because I just didn't like it or didn't want to do it. But I tell you what I did not do in that time frame is I did not change the programming at all unless it was just a literally a piece of equipment we didn't have for whatever reason. But I forced myself to not play with it and I think we run a better Jim and I have a better knowledge of programming because of that because generally we're all biased and if I'll change it not because it's not a good workout or as won't give me a good stimulus or won't make mathletes fitter. It's purely a bias on my end. I just don't want to do that for whatever reason and by doing that you fail to learn. things about those two particular movements or those combinations and what that stimulus actually looks and feels like so yeah, I think it's super important to if you're a you're paying for it, so you might as well just use it but be you're going to learn something even if it's something bad that you don't agree with it speaking of timelines I was looking at All right, so we'll do a little coaching exercise here. Somebody sent me the other day a DM that was a program that was written by a source. We will leave said Source unnamed and it was a ridiculous amount of volume. Meaning there was an Imam strength on the front end. There was skill work. there was for sure a metcon and there was something else in there, but I do remember this there were seven unique movements. in said workout at least four of which were complex meaning like muscle up snatch clean and jerk, right? And this is a one-hour class. Well, it gets better and in this it was touted as like this is built for a 60-minute class at which point I'm like, I need to see that unfold like I need to I need to I need you to my cup put a camera on yourself and show the world how this is done because I'm having a hard time envisioning this not to say that I'm the Its greatest coach but that is an incredible amount of work to get done in 60 minutes. Right and this kind of goes to the program. And the reason I asked about the lesson plans on the workout is because I do want to make something very clear and Jay would agree with me I can speak for him on this because we've talked about it. We are not against doing all of those things, right? I am against doing it in a 60 Minute window, right? So what people fail to forget is this so they see so and so any so you were a prior competitive athlete right? So you've probably had no shortage of days with significant volume in them. Correct part workouts that take three hours correct now, so here is the disconnect when you are training for that. How long in an and how many times throughout the day would it take you to get that training in? So talk to me about a typical training day and then I'm going to shed a light on why this is inefficient at best and really two-bit worst Well, and I was a low-volume competitive athlete I train just one student once a day but there were times during the season that it would take three hours. Okay, and because of some injury history and warm up for me can't be less than 20 minutes if I'm really going to move. Well, yeah, you're definitely not old. However, you're like me and you're not a spring chicken, like it takes me a little while to like sometimes touch my toes because I'm just old and crotchety on days, right? I'm exaggerating but I'm not you know what I mean, so and if so in a three-hour period Did when you were competing at this point? What would that three hours consist of? Probably starting with some skill work could be five different items related to portions of the Ring muscle up then there'd be a strength component. Probably another strength component and then I met kind of some sort cool. So if you put that in 3 hours, it doesn't sound so weird to be very honest with you and if people want to do that, then by all means the issue becomes when I'm jamming all of that into 60 minutes, right and this question regularly comes up at the level two. As we start to draw that timeline out and then eventually somebody raises their hand and they say I go to gym XYZ we have to do this this and this in a one hour time period what do you suggest that I do to which point my response is only first thing you need to do is write a lesson plan so that you can do the best you can do with what you have. The second thing I would do is potentially have a conversation with whoever writes the programming if that is in fact, not you But what will doing that exercise is like tell me on this 16-minute timeline where you're going to teach people how to move better and they're like, well we could cut out the general warm up and I'm like, does that sound like a good idea and like not really? Okay. What else can we cut out? Well, we can cut out the wide brief in the cooldown asset. Does that sound like a good idea to which they reply no, and and it now at that point people are starting to have this aha moment about like it's not about Doing these workouts is bad. Like people are missing the point of what we're trying to say. The point that we're making is like is fundamentally impossible to coach meaning like teach see correct in a 60 Minute time frame when you're doing that in a 60 Minute time period most games athletes. They do all that volume, but they'll have a one hour session in the morning. We'll have a two-hour session the middle the day and they'll do another training session in the evening and then people are coming in trying to jam that into 60 minutes while not dedicating all of the Recovery time involved with that so it's yeah, it's a bad idea. It's not a bad idea at its core. It's like bad idea of the way you're facilitating it. It's just not intelligent to do it that way. It's like way too much in one hour. No recovery at volumes that you can sustain so it doesn't coach. I feel like the better Coach I've become less I want to do that when I was a crappy brand-new coach. It sounded like a great idea keep them busy. So I don't have to teach them anything and now that I actually know things in want Help people. I want the time to do that. Which perfect segue. What at what point did you make that shift from because I think everybody not everybody a lot of people at some point either kind of come to that realization, or they don't they say I'm not paying my bills being fit right so I need to be a better coach at what point did you start to have that conversation with yourself? Like my time is probably best allocated being a better coach. I think when I attended at the time it was called coaches prep. What's now the L2 that helped me a lot to make that decision and that was really 2014 ish. Okay. I took that where'd you take it CrossFit strong and outside of Dallas? Oh, yeah. So do you have you met Gail Yocum? I have not he was here this weekend. So he owns CrossFit strong and he's actually moving into a larger facility. What? Yeah, it's Bonkers now, they're doing some other stuff. So they're doing some of that OCR stuff that you guys are doing as well. He's a super good dude in Dallas. Yeah, who were your instructors? Oh gosh. It's been so long. You remember probably I don't better. I don't name them. They made me cry. It was harsh back then it was yeah, the delivery was not as polished as it is today. Okay, and then so when you left there, what did you walk away from or what did you walk away with more than anything how to be better at programming? Really? Yeah, I guess I built a spreadsheet that I used for five years after that that analyzed every week's workout time domain mono structural gymnastics weightlifting. Number of skills involved and I looked at that every week that I wrote programming. So if for those of you not taking the level 2 it's changed a little bit but the premise is the same it's basically an evaluation sheet where you have like a whole list of movements a stimulus time domain rep count all this stuff on there. And what you do is you basically just put little tick marks for each workout. It checks like this is a 5 to 10-minute workout with the weightlifting and gymnastics. The movements are you know, pull-ups and thrusters. And what else is in there low volume stuff like that. And then what it does is it starts to give you this pattern to basically illustrate whether you are developing some sort of bias in your programming is that basically the same one that you used? Yes, and then when you use that did you also use that to try to start programming forward or just using as an analysis tool? I used it programming forward definitely that we were due for this time to manner the set of skills something along those lines as far as addressing biases. That's a big part of the reason I went with calm trained to force me out of my comfort zone can make me which is which is legit. I don't I've heard him talk about this and I actually agree with it. I don't know if they abide by it anymore. But I'm a huge fan of I do believe that there is one day a week that nobody should touch a Barb there should be no weight lifting. It should be completely. Announcer come on a structural or all of either of those. Is that still in play there for what they do? Definitely. Okay. I think it's just a very simple way to manage intensity and and give people's CNS a break right and that And I think we talked about this recently another podcast but talking about like that is a very yeah Todd and I talked about it, I believe and that's just a very simple way to get people off of the intensity train, right and just like listen, you can't you cannot go full Ham on a 5-mile run. Maybe you can if that's your jam, but probably not going to you know, so that's cool. I'm glad they still do that because I do believe that is a very very effective way to a allow more time to teach them skills, right, but So just give people a break right from beating themselves day in and day out. Yeah, that's that's a big thing. I took away from working with Nick Fowler central nervous system central nervous system fatigue and free of the first five years of my CrossFit career. I just a hundred percent every day and then your body starts to protect itself. It starts to reduce what your maximum hundred percent output is and it took a lot of years to get that back. And that's an interesting topic, which I don't I usually don't go down that road because it's a bit outside of the scope of the courses that we teach in CrossFit, right? So it's a but it is a real thing. Meaning that most what most people are ignoring is that if I am doing heavy lifts every single day. That are not intelligently program meaning like there's some sort of undulation within that programming. There's waves in my training with regard to volume and loading at some point. It becomes detrimental to the adaptation that we are trying to chase meaning like you're going to go backwards, right? And then so you started to see that then before you started working with Nick. Yes. How long do you think it took you to realize that? I don't know that I realized it. He told me that he was like, hey knucklehead. The reason that I went to start working with him is actually that I had back surgery in 2014 her needed L4 L5. Do you know how you did it? I was drunk and playing golf. Listen CrossFit is not dangerous everybody. It is Golf and drinking may be strong enough to hurt myself with a golf club. That's a good point. Good point. Which brings up. Did you do you guys do you guys put in a lot of rotational work in your programming at all know that that is something that people miss right with in CrossFit and that I don't know that it's a legitimate criticism because people who criticize a don't really understand it but But they criticism is there's no rotational work in CrossFit and it's like yeah, we reserve that for sport specific training right now. If you don't play a sport the way you get that is in good warm-ups or maybe putting in some accessory work in there in order to get that rotational but in instances like yours, if you're not working rotational strength, you can develop capacity in this frontal plane movement that could be adverse when I go into some sort of transverse or rotational. Meant to put me in a bad position right? So when you how long did that recovery take Oh, there was a bad complications. There was about a month where I was thinking my new cool life was walking unassisted. So that took took two months to get through that portion and then another six months after that so about eight months after surgery until I got to the point where I was like, hey, I might be able to be an athlete again. We're what kind of loading are you doing at the 8th month Mark like I started with no more than 50% of what our X was for the workout of the day or 50% of what my old maximum was as a very upper end just to give me some hard stuff. That's top end top it got it. Okay. I was going to say that sounds a little heavy. How much physical therapy did you have a lot? What did you learn from that? I didn't go to the right physical therapist. That's fair. So then the question still stands. What did you learn? What did you learn about rehab prehab stuff that you didn't know prior to? Body position embracing that's that's what I needed to learn. Are there any things that you picked up the you now new using coaching that you learned from that experience as far as like either a prepping your athletes or coaching than real time? Definitely teaching new clients had a brace definitely came out of that experience any gems that you've gotten over the years that you find to be Uber effective? No, I'm I don't know that I have the right words for it yet. We're still trying different things. Okay, maybe we come on some words right now. Yes. What so what would if you were to teach me and I'm a new client. What would you do? What would you tell me to do? We start laying on the floor knees bent lower back pressed against the ground and trying to teach them how to make contact with our lower back. Yes. Got it. Okay, so trying to get them to create some sort of abdominal pressure like teaching how to use your diaphragm. Yeah and someday, Eggs and bird dogs things dude, some of the most underutilized warm-ups ever dead bugs are hard as shit. Oh, yeah, and if you the bird dog, if you put a PVC pipe across the base of the back. Yep, you have to balance that and not drop it off that increases the control. It's kind of a little bit of a spin off of some stuff you do in the FMS the function women's okay. I did an active life group class programming for about a year. I use that in my Utah gym a couple of years ago. We was on The podcast yeah, we twice nice. Yeah, I think twice yeah, what did you get from? That is Sean's a sharp dude. Actually you're asking about the rotational stuff. That's where we definitely got the rotational work in our accessory work. So what rotational stuff do you really like to put in the classes? And then second question is do you program that into a workout or you putting that stuff in like warm-ups and cooldowns? I don't put it into a workout. I want to be really controlled properly executed not for time when I was doing it. It was a dedicated 5 to 10 minute cooldown every day and initially people are on board. They were excited about it. And then there were some burnout and probably by eight months in people just not want to do it. They were sneaking out the back door to get away from it. Yeah, they That stuff is hard to get people to do. It's like particular you're going to make it mandatory. Like there's some ways you can make it fun. But even then it's kind of loses its steam. We write the accessory work in the rule is like do some of it do all of it. Do none of it. We don't care it's there for you. When we have time. We'll throw it in and do it as a group and we'll play some games do some stuff like that. I'm a big fan of like just just good old-fashioned Russian Twists just because people can do it from a seated position. They can do it loaded they can do it unloaded they can do with their feet on the floor. They can do it without their feet on the floor, but I find it to be Really really beneficial in the for those of you don't know it's basically like sitting on the floor in kind of like a modified V up is how I would explain it but with your knees bent but you're in the up position and then basically what either touch your hands on either side or like use a med ball or something like that really good partner warm up that you can use for people that I love to do, right particularly. When have new people in the class. You just like hey you're going to do a Russian twist throw your partner and do that. So and then there's the game where you pass the plates down the line. Yeah. Yep, and you can if I want to really spice that up you as a coach can change direction whenever you want have people just go back and forth. Yeah there. I mean, there's so many things and again, it's like you're only limited to your creativity with regard to that stuff. But I do believe rotational should be in there. However, it's hard to I don't know that it if you were to be like hey programming has the bulk of the meal which is like the protein. The accessory working all the rotational stuff is like the vegetables. It's not the primary focus. Right? Like I need protein right and then I'm going to add vegetables to that to get what I need on top of it cool exactly how I described it. It was I can't make people eat their vegetables sometimes. Yeah, which by the way is okay and and probably the norm right? But as long as you're getting them to eat vegetables and understand the value of vegetables that is a win right? That's where it's beneficial from a coaching. Point and that's when people come into you and they say hey, I just don't have a muscle up and back. Are you doing the accessory work and they're like, no. My first one just do that you for the most part you don't need special programming right now, you need to do the accessory work like we built it in so that you can get the things you want. I do believe there are people that at some point need individualized programming or they just want it at which point give it to him. But the vast majority are just straight up GP people don't need something super super fancy. I want to talk to you about the last thing is just kind of like the mentoring piece and is like you you had mentioned before we kind of hit record here that you've kind of felt. I don't want to say alone. But like on literally on an island with regard to coaching and then some of the stuff that you've found beneficial as far as the the weekly phone calls we've been doing and then either things that we do well or the things that we do poorly quite frankly, so The mentoring program has been really helpful for me Kawaii as part of the Hawaiian islands is literally the most remote chain of islands the entire world if measured as distance from accountant, so we're way out there and I'm largely by myself. I don't have any other coaches around the gym. So having the mentor group to bounce ideas off of and say hey am I crazy if I'm having this experience or what has your experience been? How did you deal with this gives me a sense of connection without a doubt has made me passionate again. That's cool. Yeah, I'm almost ten years in and I want to read the journal. I want to write progressions. I want to video myself again. I want to be better one of the things that I learned a long time ago. Is that generally when if I get stuck it's because I just need somebody to a Shed some light on something different or give me a challenge that I was not aware existed, you know or just shed some light on something like that. And once you do that, it's not hard to find the passion again, like you just suddenly get in this little rut where it was like this is a good enough and and then somebody challenged you or throws you something that really pushes the limits of your skill set and all of a sudden. We already know how crossfitters are were competitive and suddenly I want to get back in it again, and I get a little Is that kind of what is going on there? Certainly. I mean, I'm trying new techniques and skills couple weeks ago. I used it. Just simply the ready go Q in a class and it went so well and I know it sounds stupid and so basic and so but it sounds so dumb, but controlling the movement and being able to see people and having the moving in unison it worked so well in people liked it. So it's like being told what to do for sure. So for those people who don't understand what you're talking. Not get like elaborate on that a little bit because somebody is like somebody heard that I don't know evening. So rather than just saying let's do I don't know. So we're doing the push, press holding them in position telling them to be ready and now okay now we drive or whatever. It might be telling them to get I'm going to say ready and then I'll say go and letting them know what to expect when to expect it getting them all moving at the same time instead of there looking like a little bunch of bobbing dolls moving up and down randomly. So and this again, it sounds ridiculous when you say it, right and or when I say or when anybody says it is that changing the command to give it the command something that is like a preface to the command which is and what Bethenny saying is and I see this all the time and a little too so you set everybody up and you get them in there static position, whatever it might be and then all the sudden you just go. Hey, there was no heads-up that there is a command coming and here in general, you know that this is an effective is because people don't move in unison meaning like I have people go at different times and it looks like the wave going around or somebody just does something completely different than we were supposed to be doing when you're giving commands in order to basically just give people a heads up is you just say ready in front of it. It's kind of like in a race. What if they were just like everybody line up and just won't go they don't do that. They say Ready set go in that and now everybody's comes off the line at the exact same time. It's the same thing at the games, right? So they have 30 seconds 10 seconds stand by everybody knows that standby is that 3 seconds? Basically the horn goes and then they all take off at the same time and it's no different when you're teaching your athletes how to move like they need a preface or some sort of precursor to that command that's coming so that they can essentially like get their mind right there. Like, okay, here we go. It's coming and then they go that's really cool that it worked out for you and it is the nuances. Like those like little tiny things like make a big difference without a doubt. What else? I'm trying new things again. And sometimes they don't work. Oh last week. I'd got a PVC pipe involved in killing somebody on a deadlift and it was a fucking disaster. But I think as a result of the conversations have been having with in the mentor group. I'm like, okay, so I tried something it didn't work. She didn't get hurt. She doesn't know the difference. She's brand-new. So we go back and try something that's always my question. So you clearly and it was a disaster did she know it was a disaster? You know, if anything she thought oh I failed I didn't do it the right way and it was totally me I was totally and It's again. A lot of that is just insecurities. Like we're just like there's a lack of confidence when we're trying something new and it's funny. That's what I tell the new coaches. Just try it. Nobody knows if it's going to work like you cannot predict the future and here's what happens if it doesn't work nothing so you just try it a different way when you go through but that trying new things and trying those cues is a how you start to kind of like shave off all the ineffective things and really kind of get down to the meat and potatoes of like what works and what doesn't At work, but then you might end up with a cue that wasn't originally what you set out to have but you kind of like fumbled your way through it. Like oh I accidentally came up with this one day by screwing it up four times prior to that exactly. So that's really cool. What else anything else? Have you started like reading and getting back into like the the not sexy stuff like the actual literature and like points performance and faults and stuff like that. Definitely as was demonstrated one of our recent conference calls. I didn't even know where to find the faults in the manual. Well, that wasn't your fault. You're looking at the wrong version Look in the wrong version. Yeah. I'm definitely going back to them and it's helping me prepare for It's better. I started to challenge myself to look at the day's work out and write some of the points of performance the day before so I had that readily accessible in my memory. Do you feel more efficient in your classes when you do that? And what do you spend on that beforehand like how much time? I'm probably spending 15 minutes prepping for the next day. And that does include taking like the warm-up and making a slide for it in Sugar wad. That's not a ton of time. Not at all. But how much more efficient is it? Make your classes exponentially. That's really cool actually 6 a.m. When I'm half asleep and that's usually the worst class today as far as my presentation. Yes that for also my biggest class of the day. So that is an interesting conversation because I don't think people look at the Or maybe they don't even really realize the the lack of customer service involved with like doing 50 minutes of prep for this exam class, you know, they're already tired. They want the same result the same product as everybody else. And if you're using your 6:00 a.m. Like I did for years as a guinea pig on Mike what the rest of your good classes in air quotes are going to look like for the rest of the day that is super shitty. And I did that for a long time. Like I'll figure out the six a.m. And that is Just horrible, so but I did want to ask you as you brought it up the from the mentoring group. So the reason Bethany was looking for the faults was I believe the homework was practicing demonstrating visual faults. Is that correct? Straight faults from one of them nine foundational got it. Okay, and then you chose the summative type. Okay, and then talk to me a little bit that like what we're was it anything that you learned from? Just going through that process. It was very difficult to demonstrate some of the faults to get my body into the position that was proper. What I probably took away was actually the exercise before that in the homework where we were to demonstrate all nine of the foundational movements and video ourselves doing 10 reps. I am super hyper extended in my pressing finish positions and I had no idea that it but that's great. Now, you know that and that is that are two things that we regularly tell people in a level on a little bit more the L2 which is one know your own movement. You need to know everything that is wrong with your movement. And it has you moving perfectly does not make you a good or bad coach just means you're probably like everybody else and have movement fault. However, we need to know that from a coaching standpoint because when we demonstrate movement if it is not your best variation, or you do have significant deviation from points performance, you should be calling yourself out. Otherwise, you just told everybody that that's okay the other reason the Thing that we will bring up is an inaccurate visual display of what the athlete is doing, right? Because we either a have not practiced or be don't actually understand the fault of the movement and that is a super regular or common occurrence when we see coaches coaching other athletes and what I'm referring to as somebody gives they say hey your will use The muted hip for instance. They will either save it somebody who's doing a muted hip when they are in fact doing an informed inclination of the chest or dip or vice versa or not show an accurate description of that. They'll say one and show the other or just not enough deviation. All of which are the result of that is it is a not clear to the athlete. What should be happening, right? And I think the practicing of the faults a helps you Yeah have more cues, right but then it also helps you understand the movements better. Right and it's a it is a seldom practice and that is a skill like as you just Illustrated like you have to you have to spend some time practicing that stuff have you used any of it yet? Definitely. And as of late local really fantastic Mexican restaurant has started bringing their employees in they don't speak hardly any English and I have like high school or Travelers Spanish. I know some The parts and some numbers. So the visual cues are even more important because they are replicating what I do. So, it's been timely that's very cool. Yeah, if you that's what like the fastest way to get good at visual cues, like teach somebody a movement who does not speak the same language as you get to be real good on your visual cues. Very cool. 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In this episode, Fern sits down with Bethanie Werner. Owner of CrossFit Kapaa on the island of Oahu discuss the positives of owning a box that gets many drop-ins over the year. She also owner Crossfit Sany in Utah. Bethanie also breaks down what it's like taking over a box and having to work 80 of coach per month to keep the lights on, her plans for the future. She is a 10-year affiliate owner with a wealth of knowledge on how to make her business work for her. So many knowledge bombs dropped in this episode. From having GM, putting members on contacts, how to make it all work. Also, Bethanie is part of our mentoring group and she talks about that, if you are interested please reach out! Side note Bethanie is looking for a coach at her box, pop over to the gym page and slide in those dm's. Check out the extra goodies about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.

Hello, my name is John. Thank you for joining me for this week's episode of The Prayer path. The mission of the prayer path is to create an auditory pathway upon which you can experience some time in a personal intimacy and loving encounter with the Divine. However, you've come to understand that presence in your life. We use a blend of sacred scripture other spiritual and secular writings music practices and especially silence to inspire your prayer while you may be rooted in a particular tradition. The prayer path is less to do with religious form and more to do with inviting you to connect with the Divine that is a universal truth at the heart of all religions. It is indeed my blessing and privilege to be your prayer guide on the path today. We don't record the / path in a special studio. So, please excuse the sounds of ordinary life. You might hear from time to time in the background. I invite you now to find a place where you can sit comfortably attentive. Where distraction is minimized and settle yourself? Scripture tells us that Jesus asked his disciples. What do you want? Suggesting a clear invitation to surrender before the Divine the desires of our hearts. I'd invite you to take a moment now to call to mind any special desire you'd like to set before the Divine for your prayer path Journey today. And now getting set to begin your journey leave out of your hands heart and mind anything you don't need right now. You are divinely guided. Everything that happens to you. All the people who you meet are pushed in your path for your own growth. Keeping this in your awareness at all times can literally change everything. This week on the prayer path. I felt gently Guided by the spirit to bring you a prayer Journey inspired by a person who while only living a very short life of 24 years has been canonized as a saint has been met a doctor of the Roman Catholic Church. Is recognized as one of the more modern generation of Christian Mystics and has cultivated an enormous devotion that crosses the boundaries of religious tradition. St. Therese of lisieux, you also affectionately known as the Little Flower in her practice of the little way opened her heart completely and courageously poured out unwavering love on all with whom she came into contact. However challenging her simple ways of kindness compassion and love which she determined where how she came closer to God are an inspiration to us all But before I commence our prayer path Journey today, I invite you to spend a few minutes now to prepare your body and mind for prayer. Having already taken your seated posture. I invite you to gently close your eyes if you wish. Take two slow deep breaths in and out through your nose. Which will help you to relax your body. Become aware of your thighs. As they rest on the seat beneath you. Become aware of your feet. As they make contact with the ground. Become aware of your hands as they rest gently in your lap. perhaps in a gesture of receiving allow yourself to become aware now of your breathing. Where in your body can you feel the rhythm of this gift of breath that gives you life? your nostrils your chest your abdomen the rhythm of your inhale and your exhale Find it now. The Divine is always with you. I invite you now to acknowledge that presence. You may refer to the presence as God. truth the universe Buddha nature so many other words to are used to describe this Essence which we seek. The Divine doesn't mind which you use. The only care now is to be present to you. present within you above you Below you. beside you all around you. become present now to the presence Just As You Are That's how it sees you. Except you. And infinitely and unconditionally loves you. Come As You Are rest in this loving tender kind and compassionate presence Feel it bear the weight of you. willingly and lovingly surrender No your prepares. I'll begin the prayer. In today's prayer Journey adopting some words by Joyce rope. I invite you to courageously Ponder where your compassion and love lie. And to pray that through open-heartedness there are virtues might be fortified with in you. Sometimes you'll be listening to my voice guiding you. At other times there would be silent pauses. Be with the times of Silence. Let the quiet of them quiet you. Allow your breathing to remain steady and slow. I'll begin and end. Today's prayer with a short some chant called Osco McRae. It's translated from Irish as Open My Heart. also more cool Moscow more Osco more Moscow Mall Oscar Oscar let's go. Asko Mall Moscow Mall Let's go. Fusco I invite you to ponder now. Where your courage and compassion reside? Pray for these virtues that follow to be fortified in newer open heart. pray to have the courage and compassion to Be faithful to a spiritual practice. Even when constant duties nura you away from it. To resist a response that blames an underprivileged group for the Injustice. They experience. To persist in clearing your heart of its emotional armor and tendency toward building walls. I'm to recover self worth. After being maligned by another's harsh treatment. pray to have the courage and compassion to change your biases prejudices and baseless Views about other religious beliefs. To cultivate an open mind and heart toward those you're inclined to quickly dismiss. To go beyond mere acceptance and enter into relationship with people of diversity. And to speak up for those who do not have the power or means to speak for themselves. pray to have the courage and compassion to choose to live with fewer material possessions. So others basic needs are met. To enter into dialogue when angry differences and misunderstandings create division. To refuse to Harbor thoughts and feelings of Revenge and retaliation toward anyone. And to cultivate a spirit of gratitude and eliminate entitlement from your expectations. pray to have the courage and compassion to except your deficiencies and allow them to teach you about being compassionate. To step out of your tight schedule and choose to be a caring presence with someone. To unclench and release your strong opinions until they drop out of your padlocked grasp. To regather your hope for people's well-being and their situations look dismal. And to focus your wandering mind and listen with full attentiveness to others. pray to have the courage and compassion to stand on a firm foundation of Prayer and approach all persons with compassion. amen Moscow a skull more Ass come on. Moscow let's go. Oscar let's go. isomalt Esco Mall walkers Let's go. Fusco As you come to the end of your prayer Journey on the path today. I invite you to recall again now the hearts desire that you set before the Divine at the start of our journey. Acknowledging your Oneness with and connectedness to all beings. I invite you to add your desire to the desires of all Seekers on the prayer path and in the universe. And wish for yourself and for them fulfillment happiness. and peace acknowledging that what you send into the world affects the world. I invite you to send peace to all people of the world. And pray that all creation might live in well being peace and harmony. I'd like to thank you again for joining me on the prayer path today. I'd especially like to thank all of you who've been journeying with the previous prayers and visiting the prayer path Facebook page. Please do continue to subscribe to and like both the podcast on the page and please do share it with anyone. You feel it might benefit. You can get in touch with me through the voice message or text message functions for any reason, but especially if you have a prayer request, I'd be delighted to include your special intentions with mind. I invite you to remain in prayer or perhaps just silence for as long as you wish after this episode concludes, but until you can join me next time on the prayer path, May the peace and love of the Divine be always with you and your loved ones and the whole creation. Goodbye for now.

Dearest Fellow Seekers. Welcome to The Prayer Path. This week I’ve felt gently guided by the spirit, to bring you a prayer journey, inspired by a person who while only living a very short life of 24 years, has been canonised as a saint, has been made a doctor of the Roman Catholic Church, is recognised as one of a more modern generation of Christian mystics and has cultivated an enourmous devotion that crosses the boundaries of religious tradition. St. Therese of Lisieux, also affectionately known as ‘The Little Flower’, in her practice of her ‘Little Way’ opened her heart completely and courageously poured out unwaivering love on all with whom she came into contact however challenging. He simple way’s of kindness, compassion and love, which she determined were how she became closer to God, are an inspiration to us all. In todays prayer journey, adapting some words by Joyce Rupp, I invite you to courageously ponder where your compassion and love reside and to pray that through open heartedness their virutues might be fortified within you. Have a Peaceful Journey John Timed Running Order (So you can join where it suits you) Hello 0.00; Expressing your Desires 1.41; Invite to Prepare/Preparation for Prayer 3.50; Prayer 11.57; Peace Prayer 26.16; Thankyou and Goodbye 27.42 --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/The-Prayer-Path/message

This is optimal living daily episode 1270 how to build self care habits that stick by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot org and I'm Justin moloch. The guy that reads to you every single day of the year including weekends and holidays to help you live a more meaningful and positive life. Today's post being from Veronica a Veronica dot-org. I'm gonna give away the first chapter of her book to My Weekly Newsletter family this week. So if you're not part of that yet, you can join for free at old podcast.com Cam and a big thanks to our friends at carbona. Do you get obsessed with stubborn stains? That just can't seem to go away I do and carbona is just as obsessed with all things clean. They've developed a wide range of solutions from Carpet Care to laundry and they've been delivering amazing results since 1908. Goodbye stains. Hello happiness live life unstained shop. Carbona.com with code Old for 20% off that see ARB Ona. Dot-com kodo LD for 20% off for now. Let's get right to it as we optimize your life. how to build self care habits that stick by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot-org Quote good habits, once established are just as hard to break as bad habits and bad habits are easier to abandon today than tomorrow Lucas rumors wall. I cannot tell you how many emails I receive that say. I understand what I need to do. But how there is this frustrating stage between knowledge and practice called change that most people fear misunderstand and make up excuses for avoiding without change knowledge is simply hearsay without walking the walk talking will never be enough tell you get some direction. I've rounded up seven powerful important tips that I both practice and preach. Please take these tips as Rather than commands find a way to make them fit that feels comfortable like slipping the right puzzle piece into the perfect spot without further Ado some guidance on building habits that honor respect and fulfill. You number one. Don't do things you hate to seems obvious, but there is a reason I put this one first every single client I've ever had who hated exercise simply hated the kind of exercise she or he was doing every person I've met who claims to hate people as Simply been interacting with people who were critical disrespectful and even abusive each self-care habit you engage in must be customized especially for you. And the first step is to stop imposing upon yourself routines and activities that make you feel like you're dying inside number to find out what you love this also seems obvious and there's also a reason why I put a second. I have first-hand and third person experienced this if it's good for you, it feels bad mindset. We've been Into this belief system helps sell more diet and exercise products. That's why nine out of ten diet and exercise plans fail within the first year when you're not doing what you love you lose determination. And when you lose determination, you're back to square one and ready to buy more products get out of the consumer mindset and into the love mindset find healthy food that you love to cook and love to eat find a way to move your body that genuinely feels good find a way to make money that serves your talents. And serves the world don't settle for anything less than raw pulsating passion. Number three recover from expert addiction. There's a curious and toxic Trend in our society to trust outside sources of advice and approval more than we trust our own selves if you want to build lifetime habits, the only approval you need is your own if you do take advice from experts take it as a suggestion pick through it find what feels authentic and helpful and discard the rest. Not allow your path to be dictated by others find your own way. You are your own expert number for develop a daily self-care routine speak kindly to yourself every day move your body every day connect with your spirit every day eat mindfully every day. It is much easier to do something every single day than to do it three times a week or five times a week. When you do something every single day you easily develop a habit that goes for exercise just So as much as it does for watching television, when a good habit is formed, you'll feel the same urges to do it as you'd feel for a bad habit number 5 play with in your routine commit to the structure of the routine while allowing yourself to play with in it. If you try to impose a rigid structure with rigid activities, you will soon feel suffocated. If you try to play with structure and play with activities. You will get off track in order to feel free as well as fulfilled you must allow for Sure, as well as play in your habits allow for your routine of a basic structure like every day. I will work out cook read and meditate and allow yourself to play with the activities within that structure like from day to day. I allow myself to change what I do for exercise what I eat where I meditate etcetera number 6, wake up to love. The first hour. After Awakening is the best time of the day to build your mindset. You have a perfect opportunity to fill your mind with thoughts of love. Compassion and peace after practicing this for only a short while you'll find yourself waking up to automatic thoughts of love compassion and peace don't underestimate the power of starting off on the right foot and number 7. Relax. Remember that the feeling of Peace awaits each time. You let go the purpose of caring for yourself is to do it in a way that is graceful flowing and kind to yourself. If you begin to get stressed find a way to relax. If meditating is difficult do a guided meditation or find some other way to loosen your thoughts like painting or playing music if intense activity seems unfathomable go for a walk or do some light stretching. If you're feeling unmotivated watch an inspiring talk or talk to a friend who understands remember that building your mindset and your relationship with your body Mind and Spirit is something you'll be doing for the rest of your life. There's nowhere to climb to or any Finish Line to reach allow yourself to enjoy. Oh it and be grateful for the opportunity life is an opportunity. And of course again in always combine these tips in a way that feels right to you. You just listen to The Post titled how to build self care habits that stick by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot-org and a big thank you to our friends at carbona. Are you tired of stubborn stains and horrible Messes in your home? Like I was car bonus first product of cleaning fluid was launched in 1908 to great success. 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Vironika Tugaleva shares how to build self-care habits that stick. Episode 1270: How to Build Self-Care Habits That Stick by Vironika Tugaleva of Vironika.org on Improving Health & Happiness Vironika Tugaleva was born in Donetsk, Ukraine in 1988. Her early years as a misfit began her painful struggle with mental health. As she struggled with self-acceptance, anxiety, and identity, Vironika found solace in words and music. Her first book, The Love Mindset, won the Readers' Favorite silver medal for Best Self-Help book of 2013. Driven by an urge to spread light in the world, Vironika began to do life coaching, speaking, and writing in the personal growth field. In 2014, Vironika sold her things, left Toronto, and became a digital nomad. She launched her 2nd book in 2017, The Art of Talking to Yourself. Currently, Vironika is working on a poetry book, writing and performing spoken word, and planning arts-related events. The original post is located here: https://www.vironika.org/self-care-habits-that-stick/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

Today's forecast is all about overcoming the fear of judgment and not letting other people's opinions. Stop you from doing the thing that you really want to be doing because I know that you're listening to impact school today because you want to make an impact perhaps you want to start building your personal brand. Maybe you want to start posting content to Instagram or YouTube or maybe even your own podcast, but maybe the reason why you're not starting is because you're worried about what other people think about you and today's episode is going to beFact if you fit that bill and there's also a lot of insight in here about how to actually start a YouTube channel and maybe even become a best-selling author because that is what my guest today has done. His name is Mariah and he is a fitness influencer and he literally is a best-selling author. So it's awesome to have him on the show today where we're going to be talking all about everything that I just mentioned. So make sure that you've hit subscribe and stick around until the end because at the end I'm going to be sharing. You a personal story that I've not shared before or La a my personal insecurities when it came to actually building my brand from the get-go when I was around the age of 16. So with that said if you are somebody who is looking to build your brand then of course you're in the right place, but I do also have a free workshop for you. So I'm gonna leave that link in the show notes. If you're listening to this on Apple's podcasts up and then you just look at your phone screen when it's unlocked. You'll basically see obviously the logo where it says impact school a podcast by law. Tecna but then on the bottom right-hand side of the screen, that's three little dots. Just click on those three little dots then click on where it says the title or Liz you just click on the logo the mini logo that's in the Square on the left. Click that and then that will take you to the page where there is the show notes where you can click on all of the links. So without further Ado, let's get into today's episode of the podcast with my Ryan. And by the way, please just take a screenshot and share this on your Instagram story. Tagging me at Lauren Tecna and tag. Being at maroon because we would love to share it on our own Instagram stories. Look if you're trying to build your brand and you share a book course and tag me then I'm going to share it as well which basically means you're going to get a bunch of followers coming to you. So that's a win-win-win. So anyway, I started off this podcast by asking a Ryan how and why he got into business indirectly. I was interested in business. I would like I've always wanted to be my own boss and like run a business. That was always my goal. I just didn't like the things that were talking about in the class. yes, well, I wasn't really interested in and I always like ask myself like what is this contribute to me me starting a business like me doing something and then once I started like watching YouTube videos and also watch other videos on online business and that kind of stuff. I started realizing that you actually like you have to do things not just learn about about a lot of random stuff that you probably never use bubble certain models and all that kind of stuff. Like I learned so much stuff in school, but I that I like I've never used any of it. Like I still I still wonder like when I think about it that she didn't teach me anything that I know today. Yes my business good. Just like it's like you do a lot of stuff and since I wasn't University anymore, I also started learning like I only learned things that I need to know and I want to know and I'm actually going to put to practice so you learn way more effectively in a way. I'm not trying to talk down universities here that's not like their findings that they that they do teach you about a lot of important stuff, but for me personally, like the thing I wanted to do was just like I didn't learn too much about it. I dropped out of University as well. But there's so many different routes that can get You to the different outcome, like one plus one equals two, but so does 6-4 and that's a really important analogy different people like different things. I personally went into University to meet friends and make friends and whom still so I'm so glad I went but then I dropped out because like you said I love about this thing which is like just in time and we actually learned about it in University, but it can be applied to real and smart in like a manufacturing process, which is basically where they just get things done just in time so that they can be As the cause of production and storage and all that Shenanigans, but basically yes just-in-time learning is essentially where you learn something as and when you need it, so you're not learning all of this massive brought amount of stuff. You learn something just before you need it so that you can implement it right away and it's a way to learn because it means that you can learn it and you can execute and I think that taking messy actual is so important to do because if you don't start and if you just constantly learn and just focus on perfectionism, then you're never going to Get anything done. Exactly exactly. Oh my gosh a fine line between like being a perfectionist and being someone who does stuff. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's like the whole Ready Aim Fire versus like ready fire aim, and I would even argue that I'm like fire Ready Aim. Like I literally do it way before I'm even ready. But so yeah. I just wanted to ask you so when you first made YouTube channel and when you were doing all this stuff, Did you overcome the objections of people around you? Because I know that typically when people start a YouTube channel. Yeah, do you say it like it's a normal thing to do all my time was going into fitness and pursuing that and then I saw then I started seeing people do that online. I'm making money out of it and then I realized what like this is what I need to do because this is literally like this would mean that I could do what I love for a living. So that's when I started pursuing it and then I yeah, like you said I had to overcome the obstacle is like telling my friends and all the stuff. I was actually pretty awkward I like is when I started my YouTube Channel first of all, I took me to many months of like thinking about like, how do I start? Am I actually going to start an IV started like getting anxiety and like doubting yourself and you start thinking about like a like a lychee scenarios in your head like a like what if it started I tell someone what is he going to say or like like what like what happens? Are you started getting all these thoughts in your head and just like at some point you just gotta say fuck it and it took me months to say that to myself then I did ya like I had the idea for months. Yeah, really? Yeah exhibit. Yeah. It was a big step because I'm I've always been the type of guy that would really care about others and I would really care about my like my on my social status and like what are people thought like I wanted to, you know be cool get you know, Dad's always I'm completely honest about that. I was always kind of how I felt. So for me like stepping on our comfort zone and being considered maybe like an idiot or because you put yourself on the internet like no one does it here right? Like no one in my city. I'm like what's important to note? Like just let people know about because I know when I went over and we met up in Amsterdam and like your poster was the gym and like you was because obviously in your country. It's not like a massively common thing. I think in the state's being a YouTuber has Kind of come up and normalize in the UK. It's getting there. But well, yeah, it's really not. Yeah, it was very nice. So Sam was fake. Thanks. I'm sleepy. We're going to ask you like what like what the hell are you doing? So I didn't tell anyone to be completely honest. I started my channel and my idea was to get some followers before I told anyone about it. Just probably like the fool savings time. But now I ended up looking like an absolute fool because someone like some people 'well, I think someone at my gym came across one of my videos and Ragga medalist. And yes, so he was like Hey, did I see what you're doing through him and I was like, so I still didn't have any views. I wonder how he saw it. But I like I got ashamed of myself when he had when he asked me so that's how that's how I'm not confident. I was to start a fight. Yes. I did tell myself like you gotta have the balls now. You gotta say fuck it you gotta do it, but that doesn't mean that I from Woman 1 I didn't give give give a fuck. Like I actually did. You know, I still like I didn't feel fully confident about it, but I think people going though because I did have the mindset of you know, like if I keep going I will get confident and what was will be, you know, I think it was just like self-acceptance. I think that is the main thing as well when you started YouTube. I am start putting yourself on social media. You have to be really self-aware like know who you are and know what you want know what you stand for because it if you get like, Like if you're really doubting yourself or you don't know as someone will post a comment that is like against you it's really going to hit you hard. So I never really had that because I quickly accepted like I was at a point where I knew who I was and what I wanted like I didn't really care about what anyone can say so I think that's very important thing. Yeah, and I said she was so funny because the exact same thing happened to me. I don't know how the hell people follow my Instagram account. I started actually on Instagram and not YouTube. It's just crazy because You think back to when you first start and it's like such a big scary things you and I think a lot of people are at this stage of the moment where they want to start something, but maybe they're just afraid or maybe they have started but they're not seeing any success in their friends are mocking them, but it's just riding through it. So when this guy came up with you in the gym, and he said like about your YouTube channel, what did you say back? And how did you actually condition along with it rather than quitting and we're speaking about social media right now. So just take a screenshot of this and share it on your Instagram story while also saying What your biggest takeaway is so far? Because if you are able to share this and just let people know what the biggest takeaway is. So, for example, you take the screenshot you share it you tag me you tag my Ryan and then you write awesome book glass about overcoming the fear of judgment. Then other people will be able to understand what the podcast is about and why they should tune in obviously, you can go into more detail as to exactly what you're learning, but just a small little sentence will be amazing and I just love seeing where you're listening to this. I love seeing What your biggest takeaways are and when you share with your biggest takeaway is from any episode. I will commit to sharing it on my story. I don't share all of them anymore because fortunately you guys are amazing and you're sharing this on your stories consistently, but the ones where they at, you guys actually like share what you're learning eyeshadow on my story because that's super super valuable for other people. But anyway, we get back to the episode now, please please do that for me. I would really appreciate it. I don't know what I said. It was just like like it was actually like even it would have been cool. Thank you. You think about it? It's actually cool thing. They found me. Yeah, I just felt like about it then. Yes, awesome. But then it was so hard. And yeah, and I'm just now when I think about a bag, I don't really know why I felt like that but it was just it was a feeling at a hat and it was not enough felt like quitting. I just felt really awkward in that particular moment that he actually came up to me also because I have always been I've been out like I'm actually close person. Like, how do you say it English is my second language like I don't Open up to everyone. Yeah, you're closed off. Yeah, this is same as me. Yeah. Yeah, but that's kind of how I am. That's also my parents like when I started YouTube and they watched my videos. They were like who like who the hell are you? You never like you never speak much. Now you dislike about I could take you thank you so much. I like it's just one camera pops on I'm like like I don't know it's going my role personality just comes out and it's easy for me to express myself. That's one thing. I love about YouTube as well for me. It's actually like what? You mean personal personal thing? Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I guess because i'm think when you're talking to the camera, it's just you and the camera and like, you know, you can delete it if it goes wrong and all this and you can just open up your true authentic self and like there's no judgment there. Right? I think that's actually a really good point because something that I found is like a lot of YouTubers who started YouTube and then build a big YouTube channel and our amazing on YouTube. They're actually quite I'm confident and like insecure in real life. Then the able to build up that confidence through doing this one thing which I think is so amazing and so powerful because just a few years ago that wasn't even possible. So it's really good. Social media has allowed that Circle. So now obviously you own all these businesses. And you said when you began your YouTube channel, you were like worried about all kind of like an imposter syndrome type thing. Did you have that when you started these businesses as well, you know. I think it's last I think I think that it's even want to start in. My first one was a lot less. Yeah, because the gospel is I build up it's just like it's like unreal like when I when I think back of those times, I'm literally like like why was I like that but I can understand a lot. Yeah. I'm a completely different person and I'm like, I would say I'm not afraid of starting any business or doing anything because I know that like if you follow you get up again and it only makes you better or makes you realize he did something wrong. Yeah, it makes you understand like what you do better like I don't know. I'm just like fully confident. I would say obviously there's always like dots in the back of your head what can go wrong or what can happen. But I'm at a stage where I just know that you just gotta you gotta try you got to do and that's what you will learn. He's like, how did this happen? Because you weren't always like this. I'm so interesting how you became so confident. Yeah. Yeah, it was just it was starting YouTube to be honest really. It was just putting putting yourself out on I think about it you put yourself out on the internet for the whole world. So then she know what you do what your updo what you're thinking. I like I show everything like I don't hide anything on user. So I decided I decidedly to accept myself at the put it out and whatever people think that they can say it on YouTube and I can't read it and like I don't care about it. Yes, obviously when I first started I wasn't like that. I did I did like in the back of my head when someone posts a comment like oh you got a big nose and then maybe I didn't say that but you know, you didn't you say something about whatever or though your chest is not big enough, you know are like your legs look like shit and you start thinking about it, but then it kind of hits you a little bit but by now and like it doesn't help me at all. It's just something you build up. I guess you just say getting you anything realize that there's always one out of a hundred people that will say something negative because they Hate their lives or you know, just yeah, you know, I just yeah. Yeah so that let you just sat in that little room just like commenting hate because they're insecure and they have nothing better to do it. I think it's not the same time. Sometimes let's say they make a comment about something that you said and maybe you hadn't thought about that opinion then I think it can be a good thing sometimes like if you're open-minded and and take it on board as constructive criticism. There's been times when yeah in the past I would have yeah like Shrugged it off massively and has been like this. I'm the loser, but then I actually think about what they say and I'm like, oh, maybe this is actually a good point. I can take that on board and I won't do that again, or maybe I'll alter the way I say something to make it clearer to make it evident that I'm not saying it this way or whatever. So I think yeah, there's a fine line between actual haters and then like constructive criticism. I think. Oh, yeah people can be so Savage especially on YouTube like they can achieve mean so any of the lessons right now if you're about to go commentate on someone's thing. Because that's mean and nasty and if you've really got something to say I think just send a direct message because if somebody direct message me and like gives me a genuine constructive criticism. I have so much more respect for them like doing it that way rather than calling you out publicly on making a public comment strand as soon as it's like belittling you and it's just not productive in any way shape or form. So anyway now that we've talked about that for a little bit. I love to speak about your book because I think it's so cool that you're a best-selling author. I know that it's published in two languages, right? Like an English and Dutch that process come about how did you decide to write a book like this is really cool because you're only 23 and have a book. That's amazing. Yeah, thank you. Yes. We we launched the Dutch phone first and then English after just touches my main language. My first language is most your audience then Holland. No. No, it's about about 20% is in Holland, okay. Like relatively that is a lot because it's obviously very small country which is why like if I'm in America, I don't get recognized like that much but here I will write a nice everywhere because yeah, just like a lot of people in a small small area of 20 percent is still rather be a lot. But yeah about the book honestly, we didn't necessarily A New Beginning expected to become this big because I like my main thing has been coaching. I did I wasn't saying to myself I'm going to Amazing my book, but obviously you never know what happens right when you when you decide to do something. So I work on a vote for about I would say eight months of writing it because the book is mainly about how to lose fat and do it well and living in enjoyable lifestyle, so it's not it's not like a 12-week program to get ribs, which is obviously the out there a lot on the internet. I wanted to do something different and I run into like actually have a book where I if you watched my video As you read the book you'll literally you'll understand and you realize like like why I wrote the book. It's actually all the information that I shared in all the years. I mean channel on how well I personally do it and my clients do it and how they get great results. I wanted all of that together in one piece of knowledge like one piece of Boom as I thought it would be cooler as an e-book as well because you can like bring me a book places. We actually made it into an interactive book as well where you can like you can write down. Progress like all that kind of stuff. So you really stay dedicated as well. I sort of bukas really complete guide to like getting in shape while enjoying your life. We talked about like drinking how goal and like If It Fits your Macros and we're fasting all those things, I do like tools to help you which will make it easier for your lifestyle and it explains like everything how you can set it up a program for yourself. Like whether you want to train two times a week or five times a week is the, you know, some people might have a 9 to 5 job. They might not want To go every day if you set goals for like if you tell yourself I'm going to go to gym five days a week. Then you'll never make it five days a week. That is obviously never going to work for your lifestyle. That's why you don't see a lot of these programs that are way too extreme for people and they cannot sustain it. So the book really goes in-depth on different methods for your lifestyle. Let's say you want to some people want to track their macros every day. Some people are simply just not going to do it so you can you can tell them to do it, but they are not going to do it and then they're not going to sustain it. So it's on. Talk about different approaches like counting macros, but also intuitive eating, you know, like meal portions. I guess a lot of different ways of doing Fitness and like making it fit your lifestyle. So it's literally just like complete guide of everything. Yeah. So amazing when I wrote that whole book I work together with two guys. So we do my shroud lifestyle with the three of us. They do what they work on a full-time and they still do so, it's pretty cool because like One of them actually had a 95 job. Once we started writing my shredded lifestyle. I wrote about 90% of the Boop and then they help me write a part of it as well because obviously I don't know like I don't know how to write a book. You know, I know how to like, I have all the knowledge. I have the information. I don't want in there but like as far as the structure goes and like an actual book. It's a big thing. Obviously. I have no experience with that. So I'm not going to lie and say that I do because you know as business, aren't you need to be honest? You know what you can do and what you have to Outsource and other people to write so they are a big part behind the boot. So I have the knowledge and they did the rest. They put the book together and later. We had it translated into English as well. We obviously we had some people like checked over at her and like Parenthood. There's been a lot of people that have been involved in a book so multiple multiple people multiple checks. And then when we published a book we yeah, we didn't expect it to become that big right because I like I know how many for example programs I've sold. I might have done evil before like froebel and this one literally just purchased even more than like free variety, which would be crazy to the realize analysis shows like how big of the support I have on the internet obviously, which is awesome. Like all other people as for me I get I got a lot of people that Which is actually a really cool thing. Am I always super grateful for that? That's helped me realize like hey, man, I bought your book and even though I follow you for years, like I already knew it was going to be in it because I don't all the information but I just wanted to give you something back for all the information you happy that is always on your stuff is so cool unless you they comment on that all your videos, which I think is amazing. It just shows how you bought like such a loyal Drive. Yeah, and it's awesome because they've been following me for years and like I gave him so much and like I might have changed. Life in a way, they might have lost 30 kilos from from doing Fitness or you know - teach him some other things and they just want to give back to you today. They will buy your product or service and that's obviously very important business. I feel like many people will I go back a lot of information and be like, you can only get it if you buy my stuff and I think that is absolutely wrong approach. So yeah, but as far as the book How would be getting the best out of here in the Netherlands is mainly because of all The reviews that I got so we are on this this website scalpel that calmest biggest web shop in the Netherlands. You could compare it to Amazon. They actually threw an event together with me about two months ago, which was super awesome. They reached every day and we're going to launch the next book together with that. So yeah, it's really awesome and a next week is actually launching after summer. So it's pretty quickly, which is a conversation. It's a recipe move an expedited not only shows the recipes and macros. And there's a like awesome recipes in there. It also really I also talked more again about how to like calculate your Macros and all that kind of stuff like some other information that will help you set up your diet. So it's not just the recipe book, but it's more it really shows you how to actually implement the recipes right because you don't want to like you can have recipes if you still don't know how to implement them into your diet, then it obviously doesn't make sense. Just a little bit bigger than a recipe book, which I think is awesome and also to Barnes little bit of different demographic as well. See I think the book is going to do really well. We're super excited but the way became a best-seller one of the things that disgust so many reviews and the average review is like almost a five-star review out of 400 reviews. Well, right so that you just get listed very high and like most of people have bought my book a big percentage of it doesn't even know my YouTube channel or they don't even know my histogram. Definitely how you expend successful. This is you know, you can use your socials obviously to grow it first of all or two as a start with you like the main the main idea or the main goal you should have is to actually have people Beyond also makes good people beyond that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's so interesting. So, how did you manage to gather so many reviews? Okay. So one of the things we did was it was a little after the book got launched out because I so first of all all the sales we met were my following we asked them literally to like, please write your office review. If you if you enjoy the booth and we said like my honest review because we want them to you know, like obviously share what they think about the book. Yeah, and then just a lot of people started doing it again just to give back. As well. Yeah, it's amazing. That's so good. That just shows the power of having such a loyal audience. And so just maybe let's start to wrap up now, but I'd love to hear maybe a few of your biggest tips about how you are able to cultivate such a just your fans. Like how were you able to bring them into your life so much and make them so like obsessed with you and want to bind everything that you're doing amazing. Yeah, so I think for me like the cool thing has been like if you thought of my journey is that you can really see how I how I improved as a person not just in like I don't just get fitness test, but I show my whole life I like how I improve in life and in business and I take my own following through it. So when they went back my videos when I was night, some people been around since the early days is that five thousand drivers and you know that I was this Kitty University working a side job. Like cooking my meals and like, you know, like going to the gym and between waking up early to prep my meals and it was just a whole different life that I have now and then yeah some videos here be say like, oh, yeah, I feel this class again. But yeah, I'm really I like I have a half and half a year delay now, that's cool. But I'm really going to try harder now. I'm really going to I'm going to do this. I bet a couple months later. He's like, yeah. I'm actually thinking about like maybe that he quit But I'm not sure yet. And as I slowly like you see my whole life to see what's happening. You see me just going from like an average guy University IV. Nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with like being mean or average guy University. But today we got to stop that. I yeah, I'm able to do, you know becoming the person I am today and still being relatable because I like I was still that guy that other people were yeah, I like it. It literally proves that like if you have a dream and you had you have something you really On you can do it, you know, maybe I didn't have any like I obviously like I have a great life. Like I am very happy with my parents the way they raised me and the you know, everything going to have here in Annapolis and amazing country. But obviously I still all did it myself, you know, I'm still self-made and it shows that other people can do it as well to wear my position because it wasn't that my parents gave me money to start his business or that I had infest servers or whatever like L did it myself so it shows that anyone One else can do it as well. Like if I can do it you can do it and I think that's for people as an amazing thing to realize and I think that is why my family's is really attracted because I show everything and I've shown my whole life like ever since I started YouTube and yeah, I think that's great. Yeah, you let people any you keeping yourself because once you stop doing that it is going to turn to shit people going to see that, you know, people are not going to have that. It's not a long-term thing. Like I don't think I think especially on YouTube. You can't you can't fake it. You can't pretend to be someone that you're not because then you meet people in real life and you're just like wait what and it's like the most I remember we said that each other when we saw each other. I was like, you're exactly the same as you're on YouTube and it's just yeah exactly and it's just so nice because yeah, you really can't fake it and you just go to be your true authentic self. So how do you set these boundaries? Like how do you know what to share and how do you know what not to share? Are because you can literally get I don't know if you've ever been in this stage where you just want to share everything like every single thing and then you're just like, okay. This is not good for me. Mentally. It's impossible to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah actually been in stage recently to be honest a little bit where I've been I've been realizing that I might like I should like Vlog a little less sometimes like I should worry about a little less because I'm literally like you find yourself being on. Phone all day especially since I run like says I do multiple businesses as well. I'm like Oh my phone and I'm doing the instant story for my own badge, but I also have another page and then I have another base like I have for Instagram pages. I right. So yeah, so you just like you find yourself that you just keep on going everything that you do in the back of my head will be voice like oh, how can I capture this? How could I share this with my followers - I make and I saw some stage or just like can't do anything with Without without capturing it yeah, it's not that it drives me crazy, but I do realize it's time to die. I should like shove it up a little bit more. I'm so drawn to you because I always thought that it was just me like because I'm always in my head thinking like, how can I take a nice to hear? How can I get your story? Like, how can I blog about this and like I feel like it could get annoying people that I'm around. I really try not to let it affect my relationships or anything. So, I mean, I'm thinking in my head, I don't know. Already always act on it. But I feel like it can it's something that's really quite hard to balance and get out of especially if yeah, if you're a nice specially if you're if you're a go-getter is just really wanted like I will always ask my like if I don't if I don't film something, I feel like I missed out, you know, I feel like I missed opportunity, you know that they could have made me grow more and I said, my sounds stupid but I think that is the reason why like why I'm successful is because I that is just a a I am I just want the most out of everything. It's your money. I do agree that there is a point where you gotta like take a little step back maybe because at the end of the day I'm doing well. It's like, you know, I always want more and more and more. Sometimes you just gotta I think except that you're doing really well be proud of yourself and just like enjoy other things as well. Yeah, exactly like whether it's with content or in your business when Self-employed your input directly equals your output. So yeah. Yeah. It's so important to set boundaries I think but I could talk about that all day. Well, I'm very grateful that we were born into Sage because the opportunities we have like, I mean when I started like my parents obviously didn't did not understand what I was doing and did not like realized like what a big opportunity and what like what you can accomplish with with the internet with social media and I they'll think a lot of people still don't know because now when I dropped out of University and I like I do all this stuff, sometimes I run into people that were a university that are still studying order finishing your study by now. And when I tell them II quit my study and doing this and like they they felt see me out see on the internet because my Facebook ads to everywhere here, so and they all see me coming by and asked me like are you going back to like, where do you think you're ever going back to studying? I like bless you. I feel like what do you mean like why would and then like they think it's only like it's a short-term thing or Tony Tony something I do now or like like they don't realize what kind of money that's in it if you do it if you do it correctly, right because I also have as you run all these businesses and I think I still think many people just don't understand what a big opportunity it is, which is why I'm glad I took it pretty quickly right? I was still true. Laid like it's never you're always like you're always too late. Right? It's never the right time start if I started you a years before would have been even way better obviously, but those are also excuses just even now it's up to you harder to get into it. You just gotta find your own thing. You got to do it say every day. It's going to be day later every day that you put off starting a brand whether it's posting to Instagram whether it's posting to YouTube whether it's reaching out to people to tell them about your vision. Mission is a day that you are missing out on impacting people and that you're losing out on getting ahead of everybody else and really being able to make an impact. So with that said I love this episode with Mariah and because he was afraid to start his YouTube channel and if he had never started his YouTube channel, he would not be The Confident person that he is today. He would not have his businesses and he would not be a best-selling author. So that is why you need to take action and you just need To go ahead and do it. So like I promised in the beginning. Here's my story when I first started on social media. I actually had an Instagram account before the Instagram account. I had today now, I've never shared this before I shared about the fact that I started off my Instagram as a secret and that nobody knew about it and that my user name was Fitness life Lauren and all that but I actually had an account before that one and I ended up deleting that one because I was worried that people would find it. Now then eventually I made the new one again because I knew that I wanted to connect with these people and I knew that as time went on I wanted to just make friends who are into the same thing as me and then as time went on and on and on and I was sharing value. I realized that people were coming to me for advice and for information, but before that before all of this like when I had that first Instagram account, the biggest reason why I never went all in and when I know why I never did it. Why I never committed to posting content and doing it publicly was because I was genuinely afraid that I was not going to be successful at that. Now other stage the reason why I was doing it is because I wanted to make friends with other people, but the reason why I didn't think I'd be successful with making friends with other people on social media and all that is because I doubted myself I didn't believe in myself and I didn't know what was really possible. So it was it was on me. I have realized this recently that you know, of course. Yes, I was afraid about what other people are going to think about me, but that was due to my own personal insecurities. And so the reason why I first created the Instagram account the one that isn't all I have now is the one that I had before the reason why I created that was again because I wanted to connect with all these people but I guess it's because I was I don't know they're like the reason why I deleted it is because I I was so insecure and myself and I was just doubting the fact that I could do this and I can make friends with these people who were quote unquote influences. And so if I hadn't of quit and if I'd have done it when I actually initially wanted to do it. So this was just me and my Instagram like I would be ten steps ahead of where I am. Now, who knows where I am now where I would be now sorry, so like just imagine if you actually took the action and started the That you want to start weather is Aug whether it's a business whether it's all asking somebody on a date if you did it today, you would be already ahead because like there's never a time that's going to be riots never going to feel good is never going to feel perfect. So my action plan for you right now is to write down one thing that you were terrified of doing but that you really want to do that. You keep putting off and I want you to send me a message on Instagram and tell me what that thing is so I can give you a kick up the but to actually make it happen. Sometimes you just need need some accountability and sometimes you just need to talk to somebody to actually do it. Now. Here's the thing. If you're listening to this podcast because you know of Mariah and you've seen everything that he's done with all of his online coaching and you perhaps want to be an online coach to great you're in the right place because I have a business that helps you build an online fitness coaching business. So if you just go to online Fitness business school.com / blueprint, then you can get a free Workshop that will give you the first steps in order to build your online fitness coaching business, okay? You're someone who doesn't want to build an online fitness coaching business, but you want to build your brand. Maybe you want to become a YouTuber and you want to create a business from that then great. You are also in the right place because I do have a business that will help you do that called impact through influence. So I have a free Workshop of that as well. I've left it linked in the show notes. And so yeah just start stop caring what other people think about you. Yes. You probably will still count they think about you but you just can't let it get to your heart and the more and more you actually put yourself out there and do these things the less and less It hurts every single time. They judge you I still get judge to this day. I speak about that on this book cause I have episodes were I reference these things that have happened to me in my life where people have judged me and it's nearly held me back and it's not just the stories that you've heard already. There's other unique stories that I share on this book are so hit subscribe. But anyway with that all said, please tell one friend about this podcast tag us both on Instagram at learned Tecna at Moravian. And yeah, we would love to see you share this because then we can share it as well and Stories and we can start a conversation. So thank you for listening and I'll see you in the next episode and just as someone who stayed all the way until the end. I do need to let you know that I do have a fruit Instagram ebook that you can grab. It's linked in the show notes. You can just click the link. It will take you straight to Facebook Messenger and then that means that you can get access to the e-book there. So that's what I'm giving you for free for staying all the way until the end and if you could do what I said earlier just you know, take that screenshot share it on your Instagram story just Letting everyone know what your biggest takeaway has been because I honestly love doing this podcast so much. This is now almost 40 minutes not to mention all of the editing that has gone into this episode in itself. It's hours and hours and hours of work and if just you could take I know 5 10 20 seconds to repay the favor, I guess I would greatly greatly appreciate it and then obviously I'll share it and then that will help you reach more people. So yeah, I mean this focus is all about making an impact you are able to make an impact. Impact the more you share, so please do it, and I appreciate you. Bye.

In today's episode, our host Lauren Tickner is joined by fitness influencer, business owner and best-selling author Merijn from the Netherlands. In this episode you'll find out... - More about Merijn's story and how he dominated his niche in the fitness industry - How to overcome the fear of judgement on social media - How to build a loyal following that wants to buy from you FREE Instagram Ebook: http://bit.ly/InstagramChecklistAndTips The Impact School Podcast is a show by Lauren Tickner (www.laurentickner.com) designed to impact your life through giving you actionable steps and strategies to build your brand, increase your income, and become the best version of yourself.

Don't have enough time to sit down and read all the best Bitcoin articles. Well, let us read them for you. This is a crypto Konami quick read. What is up guys? Welcome back to the crypto Kana me with guys Swan. I am your host and we are getting back in Action here. I know I haven't had an episode since a bit block boom. So we have had a little bit of a gap here, but I'm excited. I just got off a call a couple of hours ago with Brandon quidam and add are Gigi, and we had an awesome. Some awesome discussion that went I don't know we hit about two hours I think and it was all about the whole concept of Bitcoin as an organism. And so because I'm in that mindset I have been wanting to start and have started recording breedlove's money Bitcoin and time, but because that one's going to take me like a really long time I'm think is going to be like six episodes probably to get through the whole thing. And because I'm kind of in the zone. Of Bitcoin as an organism. I want to go ahead and hit Proof of Life today, which is there Gigi's most recent piece that he posted on medium and it's a short little piece but it's just gold and it will be the perfect lead-in for our discussion tomorrow. So without further Ado, let's go ahead and just jump right into this piece. Again. This is proof of Life why Bitcoin is a living organism. The definition of life has been a challenge for scientists and philosophers alike. While many definitions have been put forward what precisely differentiates the living from the nonliving remains elusive are viruses alive DNA molecules computer viruses biologically produced minerals. Ralph Merkle inventor of cryptographic hashing and namesake of the Merkle tree made the argument that Bitcoin is the first example of a new form of life in this article series. I intend to take this claim seriously explore it further and see what can be gleaned from viewing Bitcoin as a living organism. The first part will establish that Bitcoin is indeed a living organism. The second part will take a closer. Look at Bitcoins various habitats. And how changes in these habitats might affect the organism in the third part. We will dissect the Bitcoin organism trying to understand some of its parts in more detail. And finally, we will perform the thought experiment of trying to kill Bitcoin to illustrate the workable resilience of this strange decentralized organism What is life? The question of whether something is alive or not. Obviously hinges on one's definition of life life is endlessly complex. So it is no surprise that answering the question what is life leads to a multitude of answers New Age speculations aside. It seems that life is a process not a substance. We can try to describe this process by looking at things which are alive and remain Get what they do. They tend to grow reproduce and respond. They inherit traits are made up of smaller units cells and use energy to maintain their internal structure in the face of entropy. a graphic based on Chris Packard's characteristics of life living things experience growth and development reproduce Offspring Have heredity of traits as I have homeostasis or stable inner conditions a metabolism the transformation of energy. They are Cellular in structure and composition and they respond to their environment. From a physics perspective living things are thermodynamic systems. They utilize the energy differences in their surroundings to maintain a specific molecular organization and create copies of themselves. Thermodynamically speaking living systems are able to decrease their internal entropy at the expense of quote free energy taken in from the environment in short living things create order out of Chaos. us Bitcoin is doing exactly that it takes energy from the environment and puts things in order. In other words. It decreases its internal entropy. It does so by appending blocks to a well ordered structure some call this structure the blockchain others call it a distributed Ledger. I will refrain from using either name since the name of this particular structure isn't important and doesn't help to convey a deeper truth. This structure is just one part of a large and complex system. Just like the backbone in vertebrates. It is important. No doubt but distributed or not a ledger on its own is as useful and Alive as a bag of bones. To understand why Bitcoin behaves animatedly we will have to look beyond the buzzwords and ask ourselves what Bitcoin actually is what it is made of and what its boundaries are. What is bitcoin? Compared to biological life pick one is quite simple nevertheless finding a succinct answer to what is bitcoin is not depending on your background. It might be a computer network a financial Revolution a way to protect your wealth a payment system a global settlement layer an alternative to Central Banking sound money a parallel economy an exercise in free speech a bubble a pyramid scheme a messaging system. A Communications protocol and inefficient database internet money or all of the above in short Bitcoin is different things to different people whatever Bitcoin might be it undoubtedly is a force to be reckoned with it has a life of its own and thus arguably it is best described as a living thing. many people seem to have come to this conclusion independently Bitcoin is described as an army of leaf cutter ants in Andreas em Antonopoulos is mastering Bitcoin a biological system, which is working in concert without a central coordinator the honey badger an animal which is commonly used to refer to bitcoin since it doesn't care and isn't afraid of anything is on the cover of Jimmy songs programming Bitcoin Dan held compared the Of Bitcoins of planting a tree examining the species the code the season timing soil distribution and gardening community that were essential to its success Brandon quidam postulates that Bitcoin is most similar to mycelium the underground Network which Powers the fungi Kingdom and can thus be best understood as a decentralized organism. The snake of Regulation and Central Banking is biting you while you are eating it alive Honey Badger Don't Care and just like an army of ants doesn't care if half of the workers are washed away by a flood. The Bitcoin network doesn't care if half of the nodes are all flying tomorrow. Quote Honey Badger, Don't Care Honey Badger Don't Give a Fuck end quote Randall. Memes like these especially if they survived and continued to be popular over a long period of time tend to be right conceptually what people seem to be saying when they refer to bitcoin as the honey badger is that in essence Bitcoin behaves like an animal which can't be controlled Can't Be Tamed and doesn't care too much about externalities. Which particular organism Bitcoin resembles most closely will be left as an exercise for the reader the above examples should merely illustrate that multiple authors made the intellectual leap of classifying Bitcoin as a living organism a leap, which I believe to be fascinating useful and ultimately correct Bitcoin is a living organism and we should try to understand it as such if we want to live in harmony with it. the Bitcoin organism as mentioned above Ralph Merkle was the first to point out that Bitcoin can be seen as a living entity. He remarked that Bitcoin has spawned an incredible amount of excitement in the technical community and tried to translate this excitement into something which could be understood by everybody a new form of life quote. Briefly and non technically Bitcoin is the first example of a new form of life. It lives and breathes on the internet it lives because it can pay people to keep it alive it lives because it performs a useful service that people will pay it to perform it lives because anyone anywhere can run a copy of its code it lives because all the running copies are constantly talking to each other it lives because if anyone copy is created. Opted it is discarded quickly and without any fuss or muss it lives because it is radically transparent anyone can see it's code and see exactly what it does end quote Ralph Merkle. While Bitcoin is indeed radically transparent. It is not perfectly obvious where Bitcoin begins and where it ends like all living things Bitcoin isn't just a uniform blob of matter. It is a dynamic living thing consisting of many different parts all of which communicate with and influence each other as well as other living things in the environment as a whole. The Bitcoin organism is made up of many interlocking Parts which work together to ensure the survival of the whole as with biological organisms. As soon as one crucial part is missing. The whole organism is bound to die Bitcoin. However is a strange Beast. It lives across domains with one foot in the purely informational realm ideas and code and one foot. in the Physical Realm people and nodes The Bitcoin organism manifest itself through the interplay of ideas code people and nodes all four of these conceptual pieces react to and influence each other in a value generating feedback loop, which keeps Bitcoin alive. Whether people are part of the Bitcoin organism or merely living in symbiosis with it depends on your point of view. for now, let's take an all encompassing view of the Bitcoin organism including people as one part of the hull after all just like we can't live without a multitude of bacteria fungi viruses and other creepy crawlies, which make up the human microbiome Bitcoin can't live without us the tiny beings in meatspace which keep it alive in any case nodes and their operators are tangible things which are manifest in the Physical world like the cells in your body all physical components of the Bitcoin organism can and will be replaced over time node operators come and go node in mining Hardware is replaced periodically and even whole mining Farms go offline and are replaced by more cost efficient facilities. Ideas in code or more ethereal they can't be grasped or pointed to in the same fashion. However, Bitcoin has an Essence the soul of the organism. If you like note that this Essence could in theory breathe life into a new host. If the current incarnation of the organism dies, the ghost of Bitcoin is independent of its physical body to borrow a metaphor from sheroes Ghost in the Shell. As long as something is compatible with this Essence. It will be treated as part of the whole if something is incompatible. However, it will be rejected just like biological organisms reject foreign objects inside their bodies. Part of this Essence is made explicit. Buy Bitcoins consensus rules other parts are repeated as mantras. Not your keys. Not your Bitcoin and run. Your own node are gentle reminders of Lessons Learned as well as shortcuts to a deeper understanding of what Bitcoin is and should be With a basic idea of the constituents and the extent of the Bitcoin organism in mind. Let's return to the descriptive definition of Life above and see how Bitcoin maps onto each trait. Growth Bitcoin grows in multiple ways the network grows the value of each Bitcoin grows. The market grows. Its user base grows in the ecosystem as a whole grows as well. reproduction Paradoxically Bitcoin uses replication to create absolute scarcity it reproduces itself in multiple ways and on multiple levels the source code is replicated across repositories. The software is copying itself upon installation. The Ledger reproduces itself on every node blocks propagate across the network by replication and even UT EXO's can be understood as reproductive entities dividing. Emerging during the transaction process mutations exist on every level as well invalid transactions invalid blocks hundreds of forks, and thousands of in perfect copies have been spawned by Bitcoin in the last couple of years. heredity Bitcoin inherits several traits from its predecessors public key cryptography digital signatures peer-to-peer networking digital time stamping and unforgeable costliness just to name a few further Bitcoins open Nature enables both vertical and horizontal Gene transfer some traits developed by gradual mutations of previous versions others find their way into the code Base by incorporating ideas from other projects. homeostasis Above All Else Bitcoins consensus rules are responsible for its stable inner conditions if blocks do not adhere to the current consensus rules. They will be rejected mercilessly and quickly the Bitcoin network will rid itself of these blocks just like we shed the dead cells of our skin. Metabolism mining rigs around the world keep the organism alive erecting virtually impenetrable walls in the process energy is transformed into digital Amber ensuring that the shield around past transactions is growing and Bitcoins heart keeps beating. Cellular multiple parts of Bitcoin our cellular the Bitcoin Network consists of nodes Each of which is a self-sustaining functional entity. The Ledger itself is cellular since blocks and transactions are basically cells in a large append-only spreadsheet. And responsive Bitcoin is a highly responsive organism. It responds to changes in price political changes economic changes environmental changes. For example, if parts of the internet are cut off technological changes, for example, breakthroughs in chip manufacturing and changes in our scientific understanding for example, breakthroughs in computer science mathematics or cryptography it reacts on its own without He person company or nation-state in charge. As mentioned above life is a process not a substance a delicate dance of innumerable Parts all signaling and communicating in an intricate way to self-sustain each organism and the phenomenon which we call Life as a whole. quote life is like fire not water. It is a process not a pure substance the simplest but not the only proof of life is to find something that is alive end quote Christopher McKay. In the words of astrobiologist Chris McKay the simplest proof of life is to find something that is alive. I have found a Bitcoin. And as far as I can tell it is alive for all the reasons outlined above. conclusion Bitcoin checks all the boxes when it comes to the characteristics of living things. It grows reproduces inherits and passes on traits uses energy to maintain a stable inner structure is Cellular in nature and responds to the various environments. It lives in in the next part of this series. We will take a closer look at these environments and how Bitcoin responds to changes in them Bitcoin. Boobs in breeds on the internet as Ralph Merkle beautifully said but arguably the Internet isn't the only environment it is living in for now. I hope to have convinced you that Bitcoin can be seen as a living organism alien as it may be I hope you have enjoyed this excursion into the world of the Bitcoin organism. If you like to accelerate the growth of both Bitcoin and this article series. Feel free to drop me a line some Applause on medium or even some SATs via the Beast which is Bitcoin. Thanks for all the encouragement and thank you for reading. All right, he's got a couple of links for further reading here at the end of this to which is a Bitcoin as a decentralized organism, which we've covered on the show by Brandon quidam. Excellent. Excellent read planting Bitcoin by Dan held which I've not done on the show, but he's actually got that one now as a full book. It was originally a I think is like a four or five part series and then daos democracy and governance by Ralph C. Merkel just fascinating is a little bit on the longer side another one. We have not done on the show. Um, but it is definitely a good one to dig into and then of course Bitcoins Gravity by G, which is another great one and we have covered on the show. I will try to get those links and of course, I will drop the link to the actual medium page so you can put some massive Applause on this article. I love this one. And as a number of other Great Links to dive a little bit deeper and we are going to have decided to go ahead and just release it tomorrow. I was going to wait until next week. That's why I just was like, all right, I'm gonna just jump into proof of like today on because I had an awesome interview this morning with Brandon quidam and der Gigi and we talked all about this. So I'm not going to go too much into the commentary. I do want to hit a couple of different main elements, but we have just it's so it was so much fun and I'm really excited to drop it tomorrow. So but before we go back get back into this, let's go ahead and add our sponsor take a break for just a second. I'm gonna grab Water and we will be right back. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid For exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. 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Like while many definitions have been put forward what precisely differentiates the living from the nonliving remains elusive are viruses alive DNA molecules computer viruses biologically produced minerals and that immediately XO in my in my attempt to Define it for myself. I realized I start exploring it and realize that life exists on a spectrum there really is not any on and off switch here. There are Degrees to which some process that that a quote I thought was really great that life is a process not a substance. So the degrees to which a process can be characterized by the traits that we that we know that living things share in a similar way decentralization is is a spectrum. It's not as if you know, the network is centralized with just a hundred and ninety nine nodes, but immediately becomes decentralized at 200. It's a totally die. Hammock characteristic or trait of it that it's got meaning in many many different ways. It's not just it's not just no distribution. It's not minor distribution. It's not the competition in the mining Hardware Market or the number of developers or the multiple like base layer clients and the various computer languages that those are written in the various political jurisdictions in which the there are dedicated. Strong communities that are helping this thing forward that it's open and permissionless that anyone can join as long as they have a connection to the internet that the code is visible to everyone. I mean, there's hundreds of ways in which we could assess whether or not the thing is decentralized and it is some degree or combination of all of them at once but there is no clear line anyway anywhere in that exploration. It's all just a bunch of blurry gray, but It's clear that we can look at something at the end of it like like at its conclusion or the result of it and say okay. This is pretty much decentralized and this is pretty much centralized and life just the nature of trying to Define life has those same blurry edges. So I love that the the McKay quote of just the best proof of life is to Simply find something that is alive because as you know, when we get down to it, it's a very intuitive thing for us. I mean, we are living organisms ourselves. So it's not hard for us to identify life around us in a general sense. Like I don't have to break down the characteristics of a dog and watch his behavior closely for years and make sure it reproduces in order to reach some conclusion that it's Anna living organism. Like I know this inherently, so even though it's a bit of a A contradiction in itself. Is that like we have to find something alive to know what is life, but it's true because we are a part of that thing so intuitively we can we can make that assessment and then we just characterize it we start to look at what its behavior is separate from that thing that we think of as nonliving but Bitcoin exist in a lot of different Realms and specifically in one that we are accustomed. Unaccustomed to thinking of As Natural or or real in the in the sense of that. We usually think of his life is like biological life. So this sets a presumption of our view to see Bitcoin as a nonliving thing, but when you start to dig deeper when you when you begin to see and continue to explore Bitcoin merely as a software as soft a piece of software or a network, It really leaves something to be desired. The presumption that it is not living really dismisses by default some of the most fascinating questions that we can ask about Bitcoin. So I'm really glad that they're GG wrote this piece because I personally have been on the fence with accepting in a very concrete sense that Bitcoin is in fact an organism of itself, but I have to admit that I own only seem to be moving closer to that conclusion as I keep exploring it. So I have yet to find a solid argument that is pulling me back in the opposite direction. So I'm getting close and the so I want to hit each of the main characteristics of life that their GG talks about in this article just so that we have a little bit of ground work for the awesome interview that I am going to be releasing to you. As tomorrow because we have got the author of this article there Gigi and Brandon quit. I'm the author of The mycelium Bitcoin is a decentralized organism series to guide us down this Rabbit Hole tomorrow and it is it was so much fun. We went for two hours. So you're not gonna want to miss it. I don't want to go too much into this but we will start go down the line and I'll just kind of give my thoughts on what georgg hit so the first one is growth and really that could not be more straightforward Bitcoin grows all the time. I don't know. I don't know how you would even challenge this this this point. It's in the amount of energy. It consumes the nodes or the number of cells that support it the number of symbiotic organisms and like Network that utilize it the infrastructure around it the different Avenues and mediums by which it infiltrates kind of like Like it squeezes into satellite networks and Radio Networks and all of these other mediums in order to you know, give itself give itself fail-safes means of communication to keep the body healthy to keep the organism alive. We've got the hashing power that keeps it, you know, like a strong heartbeat and on and on and on there's and all of these have feedback loops to is that Like how the how the organism provides like, what do the organism excuse me provides to its environment and users. So any one of these characteristics if it experiences growth like substantial growth, it encourages inputs pressure for all of the other characteristics to grow along with it. Like if the hash power increases it creates an incentive for more nodes to come online for more infrastructure to use it for its price to go up as its seen as more secure it. Better etcetera. It's the whole I'm Trace mayor's if you don't if you don't know this if you're kind of new to bitcoin Trace mayor has a piece on the seven Network effects of Bitcoin and this is right in line with the whole growth Loop that it's it's as if like Bitcoin is truly going to go like full mycelium and just infiltrate every inch of the soil that our financial systems are embedded in and essentially correct all of the imbalances in it. I'm so growth is hard to challenge that one's that one's pretty obvious reproduction was a little bit less straightforward for me and I want to save a lot of this for tomorrow's interview because Gigi and Kim had really really cool things to add on this topic. And but one thing I do want to address is just comparing the process of creating a new node because we didn't actually really talk about this specifically but with the process Creating new cells so I couldn't help but like just think about the analogy of went to a cell splits its using the process of splitting and recombining its genetic code like it goes from DNA to like an RNA process and then back to DNA in order to produce identical identical copies of the internal rules of the system. And it's much like cloning the repository or downloading an entirely new node, but if that process gets corrupted the cell dies and is discarded like it's still the the process has to be fully verified essentially through a chemical and like protein verification process to ensure that the rules remain consistent all the way to the protein level. And that parallel is not far from what like how the Bitcoins Software operates in like a conceptual sense when it's creating a new node. It is a singular process of initializing and verifying the entire data string all of the consensus rules until it reaches the maturity of all of the surrounding nodes when interesting difference is that rather than just like one node splitting off every new note is actually created by connecting to many surrounding cells like the default 8 connections, but obviously can be way. More than that and they jointly feed and reconstruct the entire genetic code of the Bitcoin system into an entirely new Standalone entity. And and what's fascinating about this is every single one of those every new node could spawn a complete replacement of the organism if it ever found itself like alone in cyberspace and that's just another fascinating element that Every single node is a potential new Bitcoin. If anything ever happens to the current bitcoin and then same with the code the ideas out there. There's there's none inventing this thing. And then we got heredity and this goes right in line with the verification process and reproducing the code, but then you've also got forks and multiple compatible repositories that make the overall organism more resilient to failures in any one of its genetic foundations. So it would be as if like you could if there was an alternative to the specific DNA code is that we would want some cells to be written essentially in An alternative to it because then you then you have much less of a tag vector or a failure surface fewer vulnerabilities in the nodes that they're not all subject to the exact same flaws of the exact same attack surface. And and we also have heredity in kind of the the single-celled or less defined organisms. I guess you could say, I don't know how I how well this analogy goes back, but the ones that came Before it like public-key cryptography. It's not a specific network, but it is a cooperation of quote-unquote cells peer-to-peer networks. These are these other base elements that burst the Bitcoin system and these also lead to mutation and adaptation when you know, we find new ways to utilize this technology when these new methods were these new capabilities reveal themselves. And without without challenging the defined rules that sustain this organism we can find new ways to apply those rules in a compatible manner like all soft Forks are great example of that how we we find new ways to utilize the the tools essentially within that consensus. That consensus environment, but we find new ways to apply that or interact with the outside world or external to the organism. Like, how can we attach it to things in the real world? How can we attach it to more sorts of agreements and interactions between more people so there's definitely a degree of heredity and mutation and the the slow combining and changing of of rules homeostasis homeostasis is one of my favorite. We spent a long time talking about this in the interview. So I really just want to leave this one alone. But it's one of the points that I really got stuck thinking about for quite a while in the just the thousands of different ways in which Bitcoin maintains inner stability while existing in an incredibly unstable and chaotic environment. So I'm just going to leave that right there because that was so much fun and we He hit that one tomorrow or in the interview. Right metabolism. Hmm. Just just at a basic level even if you don't go into proof-of-work. He really kind of focuses on proof of work in this article, but Bitcoin consumes electricity just to stay alive. I'm like all of the nodes all of the cells run on just you know, electrical infrastructure. I'm just like all of our cells run on glucose or metabolizing our food every node May. Teens its normal operation by being plugged into the wall. So but when you add in the crazy Dynamic of mining when you start talking about proof of work, it did it in inners introduces an entirely new level where I love the analogy of the heartbeat, or maybe maybe it's respiration. Maybe it's breath that's giving it power and builds these defenses around its internal code and rules. And that is another one. We hit quite a bit in the interview. So I'll just go ahead and cut that one there to hear to we definitely talked about how its Cellular in nature and GG kind of hits that I mean, I've talked nothing about but about cells this whole time here. But it's also kind of neat to see that like there are various roles played in the network and the some of these some of these roles can be split up almost like decentralized organs. So to speak where one doesn't have to take the entire rules or the entire architecture of the Bitcoin system and recreate it. They can they can specialize in one specific rule a great example would be minors that do not validate and It doesn't really make the system than any less secure and like a grand way because the nodes will still reject. The miners will still if they produce an invalid block that block will be rejected from the network. So right back to stop in the crypts invalid blocks need not apply the whole impenetrable Fortress of validation. It's it is the it is the cells that will continue to make sure all all data that is entered into the system is is validated across this entire body that foreign objects are evicted essentially and it's also it's also kind of important that Bitcoin not do too much like like the The Avenues to interact with Bitcoin not do too much outside of the realm of that. Verification process of the the cells themselves because any of those actions become vulnerable to being poisoned or corrupted by outside influences. So when we talk about like SPV wallets or light wallets, which do not actually do the entire verification process. They just asked information of other nodes. They trust other nodes to do it for them or centralized third parties where you're just relying on that institution to do this for you. These are extensions of the Point and they are vulnerable to new attack vectors. This is why you have to run a node. It keeps Bitcoin healthy and ensures that all of this symbiotic activity can operate compatibly and therefore it can't poison the host. It can't be poison the community and ecosystem that is interacting with it. So the more nodes the better in that sense. And then Lastly lastly, it's responsive and Bitcoin without question. I mean, it is run and Maintained by human cells that are incentivized to keep this thing active and healthy and developers respond like an immune system by repairing any DNA that gets exploited. Like when if the code ever finds an exploit a vulnerability from external influence or maybe Ellen corrupted data, the essence of Bitcoin immediately comes back into the Forefront and that DNA is corrected in fact back in 13 I think was the one where they rolled back from .8 back to version .7 it was one of the most intense and exciting like seven or eight hours to watch. This unfold is the entire Community just figured out. Okay, what which client do I need to download? What do I didn't need to do? It was such an fascinating decentralized organization that corrected this mistake in the DNA. And kept Bitcoin as one organism rather than splitting it up rather than having this huge bifurcation in the network to essentially split it into two two incompatible organisms. so and not only that though, like even from the code perspective the community and note operators are working to evict any any external data or invalid data and we've even it's even funny it's extended into the social culture that we've developed a strong culture about calling out anything that even appears to be incompatible in its essence or some sort of a threat to bitcoin or Or our crypto economy is that the the constant claims of everyone being all Bitcoin maximalist being toxic show just how strong that incentive is for Behavior to defend Bitcoin against adversaries and it's not anything that isn't explicitly adhering to the essence of a Bitcoin both at The Ledger the code the data level and even the ecosystem and the infrastructure level. It's immediately dismissed or called out. It does not live a very quick. It does not live a long life in the presence of the Bitcoin organism. So, oh man, there's so much more to explore here, but I should probably just don't want to go on too long and there are so many more awesome ideas and Concepts that we get into with Gigi today's author and then also Brandon quidam with so much to share about the connection between between Bitcoin and like fungi like mycelial networks. So I think we're just going to close. I'm going to close here. I hope I hope you enjoyed this awesome piece. I'm going to drop all the links in the show notes. Do not forget to follow their GG on medium drop some massive Applause on this piece and share it out to everybody, you know because this is such a fascinating idea, but I will catch you all back here tomorrow with the crypto. Our interview with Brandon quidam and rgg another exciting episode of the crypto economy. So the we're at a fork in the road in history and in maybe I guess you could say the digital age and I think we have really seem to have two possible Futures one where we lose all privacy where and it's you know, some of these things are looking gloomy. You know, we've got China social credit system where you know, we have all these centralized networks that put us at the mercy of authorities that Side in cater information to what they want us to think or that what they think even that we would want to think I want to be exposed to new ideas. I don't want to be stuck in an echo chamber and where information is restricted. Where are all economic exchange of it. All goes through a third-party It's all permissioned where surveillance is the default and we lose our autonomy in this in this cyber world. World that where there are so many possibilities where it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's another future there's another one where privacy could actually be returned to us as the default where sovereignty cannot be challenged by the greatest army in the world, but that our Shields are built out of math and our ownership is not that is not determined by some corrupt political process, but an unbiased protocol where Liberty is the default not scrambled for at the edges. Is of the economy and this is where you will find the latter. This is where you will find the discussion all the best writing and all the incredible technology that will put us on that second path. It's I think it's Our obligation to be good stewards of this Bitcoin organism and to learn all the ways in which we can protect it from every possible adversary that would wish to push us back toward the former path. So run a node Stacks at And listen to the crypto economy. Thank you so much for joining me. I am guy Swan and until next time take it easy guys.

"Ralph Merkle... made the argument that Bitcoin is the first example of a new form of life. In this article series, I intend to take this claim seriously, explore it further, and see what can be gleaned from viewing Bitcoin as a living organism." Today we read and discuss the first part of a promising new series from Bitcoin enthusiast and author @DerGigi, titled "Proof of Life." It will be the perfect precursor to tomorrow's interview with @Dergigi and @bquittem all about the nature of Bitcoin's decentralized organism! You will hate yourself if you miss this one! Drop some serious applause on the article over at Gigi's Medium page, and don't forget to follow him on Twitter as well: https://medium.com/@dergigi/proof-of-life-fa28fdc002fe For more great content on this same line of thought, Quittem's Mycelium series provides brilliant accompaniment, start with Part 1 below: Original: https://medium.com/@BrandonQuittem/bitcoin-is-a-decentralized-organism-mycelium-part-1-3-6ec58cdcfaa6 Audio: https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_201---Bitcoin-is-a-Decentralized-Organism---Mycelium-Part-1-e2sarg A shout out to our newest patron, Coley Wommack!! If you would like to join us in the Cryptoconomy Crew Telegram Group, become a patron and help support my work at turning every brilliant piece of literature around Bitcoin and the Cryptoconomy into the audiobook version it deserves!! Love you guys!

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I can seye party planner event designer business coach author and founder of Kesh events, and I am your host each week. I'm going to bring you conversations about life business events lifestyle weddings and everything in between. Thank you for joining me for today's episode. Let's Dive In Right. So before we jump into the interview, I would like to share a little bit about Kara Kara Chase is a creator of Pinterest PowerUp, which is a Pinterest marketing membership and she is also the owner of Chase digital which is a Pinterest marketing agency. She started in social media in 2011 by managing 13 million fans across 17 social media accounts for a worldwide band since then she has gone on to Discover what makes a fantastic digital marketing strategy for online entrepreneurs and loves to teach how Pinterest fits into that strategy her Pinterest power of membership helps online entrepreneurs create a Pinterest strategy to build their sales funnels in grow their business. I had such a lovely chat which Cara and I'm excited to share it with you guys today. Take a listen. This episode is sponsored by anchor if you haven't heard about anchor its Easiest way to make a podcast it is free and an amazing and easy creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer and could also help you distribute your podcast through Outlets like Spotify Apple podcast and many more. It is everything. You need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor that afem to get started. Good morning - Hi. How are you? I'm good. It's so good to see your face finally and this is my fault. So I own it. I'm so excited Yes. We made it happen. It happened. How's it going? Happy New Year. What's been going on? Happy New Year to you. January has been and I think a lot of entrepreneurs feel this way. It's like a warm-up month for the year hold it starts, right? Yes. 11 count yes, I had planned on having all of my goals and content planned by the end of December and we had one of those life situations where everybody in my house got sick and it didn't happen and we're still dealing with the remnants of being sick. So January has turned into gold planning and content planning and all of those things and I'm just rolling with it. Well, we have 12 months in a year. So, yes, the one want to get ourselves ready. I'm in yeah. Yeah, and I'm screaming go planning to all my students and I'm screaming go find in so many members and I'm like a catchy go ahead and finish it so saying yes. Yes. I'm so excited for this. I know I have questions Lord knows I have questions. Everyone has questions. Everyone is wondering what Pinterest is and why we keep hearing about it and why it's not working like Instagram. So I have a bunch of questions that I've been getting asked from my audience and I I'm so excited that you the expert can actually answer it because I don't have the answers. So well, you know that I could talk all day long about Pinterest. So I'm excited that you have questions because it will help keep me on track or should. All right. Well, let's talk about it then. Alright, so first things first, what is Pinterest that's a very good question. So, you know, what I'm going to say Pinterest is Is a visual search engine it has I mean, I think it's 10 years old this year. So it has gone through a lot of changes and when it first started it got lumped into other social media. So into the same category as Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or LinkedIn or you know, this kind of digital marketing platform where everybody just kind of turned it social media, but at its core it's a visual search engine and it has Far more in common with Google and even YouTube then it does Facebook and Instagram. So it's a place where people anybody goes to find ideas and inspiration for what they want to do dream plan get better at and I think that the one misunderstanding or misconception was like Pinterest was for brides to pin all other fun stuff. It's just where you go few there. Inspiration but we're teaching intrapreneurs the complete opposite of how to Market their business. Right? I've Mike what I think when I start talking to business owners, there is very commonly that question of okay. I know how to use it personally to plan my bathroom remodel or my kids summer activities or whatever event. I'm planning or color schemes, you know, all of that very traditional. Pinterest e type stuff but they have this roadblock with how do I start using it to market right business for sure. So I feel like once we say business and marketing it gets it gets terrifying. I'm like every time I think about that shift, I'm like, oh gosh, I really want back to Instagram. Well, there's something that happens to us as marketers as business owners where we get into the marketing mode and we start Not being authentic. We start doing the salesy market espeak and it doesn't come across in the right way and we feel bad about it and it doesn't resonate with our audience. Like there's this weird Persona we go to when it's like you feel like you have to put on the selling hat. Yeah. So like when I Mark and I teach you how to Market on Instagram Ice Cream be authentic be yourself. If you were goofy. Goofy have a personality. I honestly don't know like so you can have the In personality and Pinterest so that is going to come across in your branding and your PIN Graphics. So I am sure that you teach all about, you know, creative entrepreneurs. They want to be super clear on their Graphics their branding the look and feel of their business how they're connecting with their audience and that goes all the way down to fonts and colors and logos and you know, whether they've purchased beautiful. Photography or they have their own photography and whatever they're doing. It's that look and feel with how they want to connect to their target audience. And that is what comes across on your PIN graphic in the colors and the fonts and the photography and and all of that that goes into what you put up on Pinterest. Yeah. Wow. I mean, we could we talk about it on our website. We talked about on social media, but who would think that on Pinterest my consistent feel so it's kind of like when I look though, so Your media Instagram page and I'm like, oh my gosh. This is a lot of plot cluster a clutter sink and this should be a consistency and feel. Yeah, you want somebody that scrolling through to know when something is your content. Yeah, you want somebody scrolling to go to just kind of know in the back of their head that's a pin from so and so I know they have great content or a good blog or a good podcast. So I'm going to click through. Yeah, I'm thinking yeah. Good good. And so the other thing when we're talking about this whole marketing and how do you look at Pinterest for business and us talking just touching on that authenticity is a lot of business owners make the mistake of thinking that Pinterest is another portfolio which event planners wedding designers florist that whole industry. It's really easy to kind of fall into that like look at this gorgeous event, but I did which is good. But why is somebody going to click through to your website from that graphic? And so the easiest thing for you to kind of step into is at what point does my customer realize they have a problem they want to solve and how am I solving that problem? Obviously if you're an event designer or a florist floral designer, you know, whatever it is. You're solving the problem of helping your customer bring their Vision to life, but you got to take it back and take it back as met you got to drill down as tightly as you possibly can to when did they first identify? I'm going to go on Pinterest and start trying to figure out what do I like what colors am I drawing? To where am I going to have this event? What is my style? How many people is this going to be for? What's my favorite flower? You know all of those things that happen in their minds way before I'm going to call somebody to set up an interview to see if they're a great event planner for me. Wow. That's the way to look at it. Like we don't think like you said were use it as a portfolio. I can go to my Pinterest page I hate. A board and white, you know white flowers and pink flowers, right? And again, like we're doing this not for like we're creating something for future clients, right and it is a long journey from somebody from a woman on their couch having just gotten engaged watching Netflix with one eye and on their cell phone going. Fall wedding Trends on Pinterest right? It's after Christmas. They're getting married in the fall. They might not be calling you. Maybe it's fall two years from now, but there are already looking for I know I'm getting married in the fall. Maybe they already know where they're getting married. And so using those keywords just like you would for a search engine is what's going to get your content found. Wow. So in the Option in the board all those users keywords as you would in Google like exactly. Yeah. So I have a favorite saying that is keywords get you found Graphics get you clicked. So yeah talking about it's a visual search engine is exactly that so search engines function on keywords. So you have to think about stepping back. Into that audience mindset, how are they searching for something on Pinterest? Right? They're searching for fall wedding Trends or you know, however they type in a search phrase to see the results or get the ideas that they're they're looking for. So you've not only have to know those key words, whether it's for your business whether it's for a particular event gallery or blog that you're doing that's specific to certain Trends or colors or flowers or whatever and then you've got to put those keywords everywhere that it makes sense. So your About Us section on Pinterest. You've got to have it. Yeah, you've got to have it in your board titles and board descriptions because those are indexed by Google if somebody goes on Google instead of Pinterest and Google's fall wedding Trends. They're To be Pinterest boards that come up in the search results on Google amazing, right and then you've got to put them in your PIN titles and descriptions. So having a good keyword strategy knowing your keywords is what is going to get those pins found when people are searching on Pinterest when they're just scrolling and looking at you know, what's trending on Pinterest all of that but then having really good graphics that are aligned with your brand. How you Want to represent yourself how you want to connect with your audience is what gets people to click through to your website. Wow, so the keywords and the graphs of like now on the keyboard works on they found the graphics in order to click it. It has to so basically it's like we have to start thinking like the customer care what words are they using to use those words? What words would they use to search for something? Yes description, right? Okay, right. So someone is searching for ideas way back way before they're ready to start making phone calls and appointments to hire people. Yeah. Wow, because they don't know who wants to walk into a 30 minute appointment having absolutely no idea about anything that they Nobody Does that right? They already know what they love and gravitate towards I have some idea even if it's I have been pinning this This you know $500,000 wedding and my budgets 50,000, you know, they at least have some idea of what they gravitate towards that speaks to them as a person and so by getting to them that early on in that customer Journey you're building that know like and Trust even if that journey is a year your get it you're getting in there. Wow. I feel like just even taking this little piece of advice and just changing your Attitude alone could change your business and increase your lead flow and get you closer to your ideal client. Yeah. So the other thing that I talk with my clients and my members about is Pinterest when you do it, right and you understand how it works and you're consistent with your strategy, it can drive so much traffic to your website. It will make your head spin, but it's your job to convert that traffic. Right. So it's the start of your marketing funnel. I'm sure you understand the whole 80/20 rule right 20% gets you 80% of the results. That is why I niched into Pinterest because for me and my clients when I was doing General digital marketing Pinterest was 20% of my time and effort but it was generating 80% of my results. Wow, so by doing that and being Consistent you're going to see it work to get people to your website. But then you've got to take care of your audience from there. You know, you've got a spoon feed them with how to work with you or how to get the free download and sign up for your email list or what they need to do next. So you can't just put up a bunch of pins and get a bunch of traffic and then be like, well, I don't know what Pinterest is doing for me like be smart. Well, it's not going to do all of the work for you. You have to be the professional and and take it from there, but At least you have a better chance of being found and getting closer to your client. That's right and pins live forever. Right? How long does an Instagram story last? It can be great it you are amazing on Instagram and I want some of your magic pixie dust or Instagram. But how long does that story last? Yeah. Just want to eat word and it's gone. I have my one of my top blogs as a Blog that I wrote. in 2015 and I still get traffic and email signups from it every single day. Wow. Well, we have to definitely link that in the show notes because I want in it like this are so many questions that I have. Like, I feel like that in itself is a whole conversation like maybe something here Pinterest. I'm like hoo hoo hoo. Just clean because I'm like, can you just take over my pictures? Because it's like this bright light of like, but I think also the scary part of His lack of understanding. Yeah what it is and what it does and who it's for and what it gets you. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So another thing to just like every other platform Facebook has business versus personal now Instagram has business which I want to clear a lot of people don't know that you can switch your account to a business account on Facebook or or Facebook pages or Instagram business, huh the difference between business. Instagram and business Pinterest and a personal control panel. Yeah, so I get that question a lot. Like should I have two separate accounts? Like what's the difference all of that? So first of all having a business Pinterest account gives you access to promoted pins, which is paid advertising and all sorts of audience insights and analytics which if you're a boss those are all things that you need to know like you Need to know your what Your the demographics of your audience is on Pinterest and you need to know how many people are engaging with your pins and clicking through to your website all of that stuff. So it is free. It's like 2 clicks. There's no just like Instagram, you know, you just switch it you have to do a little bit of like putting some code on your website to confirm your website with Pinterest and all of that, but that's you know, don't worry about that right now, but it gives as you access to all those boss resources analytics paid advertising right? So when I have people that ask me personal versus business the way I have it set up is that I have my one account now granted this is also because I am my brand right? So if I might make a different choice if my business or something completely separate from me, but I have chosen to Simply keep all my Snowboards secret so I use one account because I manage clients accounts. I do other things like I don't want one more account to sign in and sign out of yeah, right. So I just have all my personal stuff secret. Now you can still invite people to your secret boards, which is how you know, that was one of the fundamental features of Pinterest when it first started so if you're working with A client or your planning, you know your sisters bridal shower or whatever it is. It can be secret and you can still have people collaborate on it. It's just not something that's going to show in search results or your profile. Yeah, and the other reason to keep it secret is you want to make sure that you're attracting the Right audience. So like we have talked about this before I follow the ketogenic diet and I have a huge ketogenic Pinterest board where I panel my favorite recipes and things that I like And keto recipes are hugely popular on Pinterest. I don't want people following me because they like the keto recipes I pin right? That's of no interest to me. Yeah, you attracting the different. Right? Right. So if you're attracting a bunch of people because you have boards based on the classic like Pinterest Industries, like women's fashion recipes DIY, you know, whatever if that doesn't have anything to do with your business, that's not doing you any good. So so you can have it and it's totally okay to have that under the same business account. Just keep it secret. Yeah, that's so smart. So it's because I actually have wait. I think I have a personal right now. I wouldn't tell you I can't tell you what I would pin on there now, so I don't have time to put personal stuff up there, but it makes virtually keep everything under one account and then have secret words. So doing that today. Nice. Thank you for introducing me to Quito and Bulletproof Coffee, you know. He saved my life last year and gave me that because I was like, I think I was struggling with how to make my coffee, right? I guess like here like and I'm like, what is this magic thing again? It was amazing. It's some fat fuel little plug for them. I'm not an affiliate or anything like that, but they they have it all in a packet everything that goes into Bulletproof Coffee. And so it's my Essential travel. Yeah, and I have to confess I've fallen off the wagon at least four times. I'm on and off on This battle but I will get myself back on ASAP, you know, even we're totally like going down the rabbit Trail here, even when I'm not perfectly keto Bulletproof Coffee is still my breakfast every morning. I open this just to just starts my day, right? Yeah, it's yummy. So like anything without like pee in my coffee now, does it even make sense anymore? Okay. Interest I have Instagram. Why do I need Pinterest when I have Instagram? So, how do we how do we answer that? Well, how would you answer that? Where do I start? Yes, so as creative entrepreneurs we can get very overwhelmed very easily with all the things to do to Market our businesses. I get it. I've been there I'm currently in the do I really need to do anything on Facebook for my business other than my Facebook communities like it is a good thing to really sit and question the value of your time and effort for anything you're doing. For your business, but what I will say is that Instagram and Pinterest are completely different functions for your marketing. So Instagram is beautiful for brand awareness for engagement for classic and traditional social media Pinterest. There's no engagement. There's no like I think you can still comment on people's pins, but nobody does that like it's not it's a visual search engine you can write it is a visual search engine. So while Instagram is wonderful for brand awareness Pinterest is wonderful for driving traffic. They're completely different goals and functions, but what's really cool is that both of them are very visual platforms. So they're complementary in if you've got an audience member that really responds to Graham because there are a visual person that likes to interact in that way. They're very likely the same on Pinterest. Well, I can see just from talking to you and getting more clarity but huge difference. It's not even the same. Yeah, I want to Instagram. I didn't you know, I don't do it as well as you do but we're always in our in our DM right? And so my this actually speaks to your question. My problem with Instagram is often consistency because I haven't dedicated the time and the tools or out sourced it to somebody on my team with Pinterest. I use a fantastic scheduling tool called tailwind and it's one of the only I think there's like two approved schedulers. It's been the only approved schedules for a very long time. Now, I'm sure other people will get in the game, but it not only sets up your queue for your schedule based on when your audience on Pinterest is on Pinterest and pinning. So you don't ever have to worry about the when's the best time to pin question it does all of that for you you can you yeah, you can actually batch your pins and it's set it and forget it like you don't want to forget it because you do have to be the boss and go back and look at your analytics and what's working and what isn't but it takes me about an hour and a half to batch 300 pins per month. That's amazing. How many times a day do you I average about 11 sometimes 12 pins a day. So when you go into tailwind and you set up a smart schedule it will and it will ask you how many times you want to pin per day. I recommend people start with five until they kind of get that routine going and that plate spinning and then they can up it from there. And what it will do is based on when it knows your audience is on Pinterest. There will be some days where you have more than that number and some days you have less. So like Tuesday's is a dead day for my audience. So I might have only eight or nine pins going out that day, but maybe Saturday is a really busy time. And so I've got 13 14 15 pens going out that day. It takes care of all of that for you, but it averages out over the course of a week. So smart and speaking of differences. Just that to point I find Saturday. To be dead on Instagram. Yeah, you just said Saturdays is when it's popping on Pinterest. Yes. So that's why we have to utilize plus the bonus is all these things are free right now. Yeah that actually help our businesses grow. Yes. Yes, and I'm so to use Pinterest board. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah now Pinterest takes a lot of consistent pinning and when I say I'm pinning an average of you know, 11 or 12 a day about 80% somewhere between 50 and 80% of those pins are my pins that go out to my website and the other 20 to 50% are repins of other people's content that I think is valuable and interesting for my audience also, so but the keys to link it back to something for yes on your site your blog your you offerings or unless it's somebody else's pin you would never Vert take somebody else's pain and redirect it to your website, right everyone. Please don't do that. But like I can't teach everything there is to know about Pinterest and I'm also aware that my audience is interested in other things besides Pinterest so somebody that's going to join. My membership is an online entrepreneur and not only are they really interested in Pinterest marketing, but they're probably Lee also interested in email marketing and newsletters they're interested in website design they're interested in how to build an online course or whatever it is. So those are all things that I can repin from my trusted sources. Yeah to share with my audience before my God emotion as well. Yeah. Okay. So you answer my question about how many times so how many times a times a times a day? So I guess each day is different in a week. So I know we could. 200 pins you can have as many as you want the key is you got to be consistent with it, which is why I recommend people start with around 5. Yeah till you get used to it. The other thing that your audience really needs to understand especially with the I don't have time conversation. Yeah, it is. There's another phrase that I use it's not about creating more content. It's about creating more pins for the content you have so say I have a great client in the wedding industry. She's a venue location in the wedding industry client. And she came up with we worked on this together. She came up with a really great quiz for helping Brides determine what their wedding style is that's one URL that goes to her quiz one page on her website. She creates pins every single month to go back to that quiz so smart. So if you are a new business and say you've got five blogs or five galleries. He's or whatever it is. You can create as many pins as you want to go back to that same content as long as the pin graphic and the pin description are slightly different Pinterest will see that as fresh content. Wow, not the URL. The actual pain was a piece of content in different ways that takes you back to Wisconsin. Yep. Oh my goodness. Something new I would end and this is where having graphic design templates can come in really handy. So come up with five different templates in canva which is easy to do where you can all you have to do is switch out some colors some text and some photos and you've got five different pins for one piece of content. Yeah, so did I hear so would Pinterest penalize you if you or flag you if you use the same graphic over and over again to the the same URL if you don't tweak the pain description, like if you just repin it and repin it and the same thing over and over it does not like that. Mmm. It will penalize you now. You can repin the same thing. Once I think the guideline right now is they they don't really want you to do it at all but they will say like no more than once every three to four months kind of things. Yeah for the exact same. With the same Graphics same description. Okay, so for someone that brand-new or feeling overwhelmed right now in their business and their around their head is probably spinning because I'm like 30 ding ding ding but for someone that's literally just starting trying to figure out Instagram trying to figure out Pinterest. What would you say is the very first step to like fix. Let's say I've been doing pictures all wrong for five years or yeah, so I go back and remove all my content that is not right or do we just start fresh well, You recommend it really depends on the state of the account because when I go in to clean up people's Pinterest accounts, they're usually either a total hodgepodge hot mess of like way too much stuff and personal and business and whatever or they put up like three boards and there's nothing there really, you know, so it kind of depends on where they're at. I would say the most important thing if we're going to take for granted you need to set it up as a business account and from your website and do those couple of things that you need to do like on the back end is a business owner. The most important thing is figuring out and documenting your keywords and keyword phrases on Pinterest just tweak what you already have and add the keywords and probably can you swap out Graphics in a pin? Absolutely Oh, you mean once you've already created the pain? No, no, so but why would you you want to put up new content exactly, right? So what I do is do a Google sheet or spreadsheet whatever program you use and I will create I call them keyword buckets, but it's a column. So like at the top of my column, I'll have Pinterest marketing and I go into Pinterest in their search bar. Not on Google right in Pinterest Pinterest marketing and then I'll look at all the little additional keywords that come up. Up under those search results and those all go in that bucket. Oh my God, so it'll be Pinterest marketing and then underneath I might have tips how to ideas plan strategy. And those are all what we call long tail keywords that are going to go into my pin titles my pin descriptions all of that. So this is we're going back to when does my customer first identify. They have a problem and start searching. Just like you would if you were your customer and dumping all of those keyword phrases into a spreadsheet because that keyword strategy is going to inform not only what goes into your profile. But how you create your pins to go back to your website. So amazing. Oh my gosh, and that's that alone is such a great tip on my way. I'm gonna go back in like just restart it would start to redo like add new boys and do it the right way who knew you'd find keywords inside. Of Interest. Yeah, they had their search bar functions exactly the same as the Google search bar. It's what we call predictive search. So when you start typing it will drop down what it thinks you might be searching for based on what other people are searching for. So if you're not finding something it means nobody searching for it. And yeah, so I often get the question. Well, I've done all this research on Google with Google keywords and AdWords and all that kind of Stuff my answer is there's going to be a lot of overlap. However, there will be a difference between the person who's searching on Google and the keywords they're searching for and what people are searching for on Pinterest. Yeah, you learn a little different mindset. Yeah, that's because like I said, sometimes we think is a good keyword is probably like you said not no one is searching for that. Right? So now we're thinking as the consumer versus the theater, right? Right. So I have a great example that I use member client of mine is a business coach and she got really stuck here keywords are where people get stuck. Yeah, and she's like people I can't come like there's nothing for business coach and I said that's because people aren't looking to hire a business coach from Pinterest. They are looking for how to solve their problem. What is the first step in when your client realizes they have a They need to know how to plan their day better. They need to know how to write a better to do list. They want to know what the best planners are for the year. They want to know how to do, you know a b and c in their business. They're looking to solve the problem way back in that customer journey, and then your job is to provide them. Here's my top five, you know tips for running a business from home and they get on your email list and they form a relationship. Ship with you and then when they finally realize you know what I need to hire an expert to help me with this. There you are. Wow, amazing. It's such a you know, it's the same bike again just shifting the way you Market. Yeah to get you closer to your next client and it nests if you're going to do it right on Pinterest it necessitates you having to be authentic and thinking like your customer. Yeah. I think that's where we struggle, you know, yes. I'm good at which is social media and Facebook, right? And I say go stop thinking this me. Well, you kind of have to become the client you want to attract, right? Yeah, thinking like them and thinking of problems that they have and use it as an angle to attract them and solve that problem right attention. So let me close and isn't that why we all start a business because we want to solve a problem for somebody. Yeah. Absolutely, right? Okay, I'm taking notes because I'm like wait, wait, wait, wait, you're making me feel so smart. And yeah. Love forever. I learn the best now. I'm getting Pinterest tips. Thank you. So I'm happy to give you my Instagram tips any time. Yeah, turn the favor. This is the whole point. I'm sure every creative out there is like mind blown right now cause I'm like helps out. We've been doing it all wrong all this time. So this is a way to actually shift it now we can complain about who I'm not getting these. I'm not attracted to right client. This is one of the Avenue that you can use to do. So, I love it. Okay. So tell me about like your membership. I know you offer does I've reached out many times like you just take over my Pinterest and you're like wait wait, let's back it up slow your roll. So what do you off like you have a membership in your other services that you offer for people creative like myself and everybody else that needs you. Yes, because so tell me how that works. Yeah, so I have my membership which is called Pinterest power up and you can just go to Interest power up.com and it is a monthly membership because I you know, we're all aware of the online courses right the problem with doing an online course for something like anything involving digital marketing is the landscape changes overnight so quickly over and over again, and so not only did I want to make sure I had a way to keep my students. It's up to date by doing kind of a rolling membership for me as a business owner. It was like I can't keep redoing a course that I have been paid one time for right so there was two sides of it. So the membership is you get instant access to our full training library and I come at Pinterest marketing from a little different perspective. There's a lot of Pinterest courses out there that are like the 101 best practices used. Hail wind just keep pinning pin 50 times a day and that's kind of where they end. I not only teach the best practices but then we take the ball and run with it from the time people get to your website. So I know that if you just do Pinterest and you don't do anything else, you're not going to have your marketing funnel work. You need to be thinking about all the other pieces like your opt-ins and your email marketing in your Affiliates and promoted pins paid out. Advertising all of that. So it's a Pinterest membership, but it's really more. How does Pinterest fit in with a bigger picture of your marketing funnel to actually make a difference in your business. So it's super comprehensive members also get access to monthly QA that I do in the private Facebook group. So we use a Facebook group for community support and feedback and and all of that and every month I do a live training. With QA for members and then you get Benny's like affiliate access and you know 10% off my one-to-one services that kind of stuff. Yeah amazing. Yeah, so how can our listeners find you so you can if you're interested in the membership, you can just go to Pinterest power up.com and if you're interested in my one-to-one services what I offer right now, you can go to care chase.com services. And I'll make sure that you have the right link to spell that out because you know, my last name is spelled differently. So it trips people have some time when people call you Chance by Nature people. Yes people call me. So my last name is spelled chac e instead of SE people see the end. They call me chance they call me cha say like, oh, that's fancy, but it is just Chase. It's just spelled chac e so, The mood there you go on Instagram. You are Kara Chase. So the benefit of having a last name that spelled differently is my name is available everywhere. That's amazing. Yes. Yes fantastic. So usually we end with and this has been so great. I feel like I'm just chatting with you and I'm processing with chatter Pinterest for four years over a year now. Yeah, and I'm like wait, this is amazing. I have to literally like I'm dying to like hop on. This and like make these changes right now, yeah, but you know, I feel like this is a continuous like he said through your membership and I would love to bring you back to share more and if you set the platform's ever-changing so I'm sure there's going to be new update just like it's the grandma and learning new things every day. Yeah continuously beg you to come back and like give us fresh no information and reads fires, but this is inspiring for me. I'm sure support so many others. Thanks. I want to end with some fun question. So I asked us to all the guests. Month, it has lots of anyone. Who would it be that's a really hard one for me because I am a total awkward person. So like when I think of having despite me having been around like huge people in the music industry and met some really like me like I still get that whole Starstruck. Hi like super awkward. So music has a A huge part of my life. I absolutely love it. And for me being part of the music industry was the first time that I really saw how creativity could lead to success whereas I had always been told that being analytical and non-emotional and nonfeminine was the only way to be successful. So really even though I'm a total Metal Head My First Love Of Music was probably Led Zeppelin and So it would have to be Robert Plant because he has led with creativity and following his intuition to what speaks to him his entire immense career amazing. And so following that like not succumbing to what you know, the record labels tell you you have to do and just I mean, it's super cheesy, but following your bliss and following your gut and like Like how does that creativity always lead to success when you start from there? He's made I mean, it's been his entire life what 50 years more than that and he's been able to do it time and time again. That's all that's a good one. And that's amazing. So if you could ask him one question, I know what are two or three, but if you could ask one, what would that be? I would say along those lines. Like how do you shut out the noise? Of what everybody else is doing and I think this is something that we most people struggle with in the era of social media digital marketing comparing yourself to others all of that when it's something that is so immensely creative like music. Yeah, how do you stay inspired and excited but also no one to trust your gut and shut everything else out. Yeah, I think ink that's that's enough. I don't know that I would have three questions. I think I could talk about that all night. One one is good know that that's a great question. Yeah, amazing. Why don't I know I'm like, so stop recording so we can just keep talking right away when it turns and then we have more things to talk about. So so good so good to see you. Thank you. You too, you are such a boss lady. I am constantly in awe of the things that you create and do my most babe. So yeah, thank you for being you and thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with me and everyone else. I'm sure someone's business is changing right now as we speak. Thanks to you know, thank you for having me why. I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoyed today's episode, please share with your friends and tag me on Instagram at Cash events. For more about today's episode. Be sure to check out the show notes before you go. 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About Episode 10: On this episode, host Akeshi Akinseye features guest Cara Chace, creator of Pinterest PowerUp and owner of Chace Digital - a Pinterest Marketing agency. About Our Guest: Cara Chace is the creator of Pinterest PowerUp - a Pinterest marketing membership, and the owner of Chace Digital - a Pinterest Marketing agency. She started in social media in 2011 by managing 13 million fans across 17 social media accounts for a worldwide band. Since then, she's gone on discover what makes a fantastic digital marketing strategy for online entrepreneurs and loves to teach how Pinterest fits into that strategy. She loves nothing more than helping fellow business owners, except maybe a good book and one more cup of coffee. Her Pinterest Power Up membership helps online entrepreneurs create a Pinterest strategy to build their sales funnels and grow their business. About The Topic:  I am chatting with Pinterest expert, Cara Chase and we are talking about Pinterest and why you should be using it for your business. Cara Shares: What Pinterest really is and the benefits How to use it to attract your ideal customer and drive traffic to your website How Pinterest is different from instagram and other social platforms How often you should pin Helpful tools you can begin to use in your business today And so much more Quotes from Cara: "Keywords get you found, graphics get you clicked" "It's not about creating more content, it's about creating more pins for the content you have" To learn more about Cara Chase, connect with her on: Instagram | Facebook | Website  For more on her Pinterest Power Up, visit pinterestpowerup.com If you loved today's episode, share with your friends and tag me on Instagram, facebook or twitter @keshevents If you would like to featured as a guest on the "Let's Talk About It Podcast" or have feedback or questions, send an email to info@keshevents.com Planners & Event Designers, are you part of our Membership Community “Creatives Corner”? Creatives Corner is a monthly business online coaching membership created for event planners and event designers. To learn more, visit whttps://www.thekeshexperience.com/creatives-corner  Enjoy xx

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He spent years as a Navy SEAL instructor forging hundreds of men into hard and warriors. It is a big honor for me to say Chris Gomez. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Hey, thanks so much. I like I really Shit, you take your time. Let's start here. How many kids do you have and how old on it? So I have three three daughters. They call it the Frogman curse it kind of funny in that regard because it seems like frogmen have a tendency to to have a plethora of dongers. I myself have three. I've got a 15 year-old a ten-year-old and a five-year-old all spaced out five years apart. So it's surely makes an interesting home Dynamic. Yeah. God bless you with that. And what type? Both of us sports or activities of the girls into boy my oldest now, she's kind of concentrated herself into volleyball which is which is awesome because she's really I think five foot two, so she's one of the shorter girls out there, but she really loves it. We just got back from the game last night. It's she's really doing well loves it a lot and it's been fun. As far as the ten-year-old goes. She is still trying to figure out what she wants to concentrate on. She's been in basketball. She's in softball which my wife Coaches she's done. She's that she's in track. She'd there's just this wonderful program called Girls on the Run which she has done now for the last two years, which is a really good affirmation for young girls in sport. And so she loves to run she's in dance. She kind of does it all and then my wild card or my little five-year-old. She has she's tried a little bit of soccer. Not a big fan. She does love to dance. She doesn't love. Ants, so it's interesting. We're just trying to figure out she's strong as an ox though, and she's tiny little thing. So I keep pushing my wife toward considering gymnastics in some way or another but right now she's just in dance and she enjoys it most of the time but she's our little dancer. Yeah. Yeah, my five-year-old girl were on the same in the same boat. There were on the fence about gymnastics dance and going back and forth between the two so we'll see what happens here. A lot of buddies that put their daughters into gymnastics and it is certainly a long-term investment and it's a long mean it's that is probably one of the toughest Sports to put your child in because it's so time-consuming and there's so many people that are so invested in that. It's quite crazy. Yeah, definitely now, are you all donors or a shot that you going to go for the boy here, you know at 40 for nearly 45 years old. I think my wife Roxy, I'm 44 45 my wife just Turn 40 she is as no way she wants another one. We haven't made an official through any sort of surgery or any type. But yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good with my three girls. I guess having a teenage daughter for 19 consecutive years is going to be enough for me. Yeah. Well said they're all right Chris. If you could just take a minute here to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background and what you do. So right now I am in software sales. I work for a great company called VMware. I Switched over a couple of weeks ago VMware is based out of Palo Alto. I live in Houston Texas my background as far as the reason you're talking to me is I was a I was a Navy SEAL for a number of years throughout my Naval career. I joined the Navy in 1993 went through SEAL training with class 198 graduated with cost $1.99. And then after five years at sdv team one out Hawaii, I was called up to be a seal instructor. And is it that point in? One went over to buds as an instructor. I was there from basically 2001 until 2005 when I got a commission in the Navy and so the commission was really odd. I put in the package to become a seal officer. That was my number one goal. The reason I really applied to become an officer and they were full of Junior officers in the field teams. This is 2005 kind of draw down time frame. And so I said, oh, I'm alright. Let me go Tod then. Let's put a you know, check the block for EOD. Maybe that'd be a it's something really cool. Really special they didn't take any EOD officers that year. So I had a choice I could either go in as a intelligence officer or as a supply Corps officer, which is essentially the mbas in the Navy. I chose a supply Corps route because I did have a finance undergrad and kind of coincided a little bit with my background with some of my schooling and so I chose that with the full intent to lateral transfer once I made O3 when the seal officer bill it's kind of opened. Tup, but as fate would have it that wasn't going to be in the cards. I had a couple of dollars of that point and really decided that going back into the teens at that point after having sat on the sidelines for the last four plus years just wasn't wasn't for me and so finish my career as a as a naval officer did nine years as a as an officer 12 years isn't listed. So about 21 years all told Navy retired in 2014 my MBA at the She's Texas in Austin, which was an amazing experience and then again retired and I've been Consulting for about four or five years and then I just did a quick stents in oil and gas and now I'm back into the into the software space with VMware. As I said earlier. Yeah, what an incredible career Chris and thank you for your service of course, and so pleasure. And so how old were you then when you first became a father and how did becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on life? You know, I became a father when I was about 30 years old. So 29 is whenever I had my first daughter and it absolutely floored me because this is this is an experience that I didn't, you know, certainly I never really thought much about his as a kid growing up. You always heard how much your parents told you they loved you, but you never really understood you kept hearing things. So you understood it. Sure mentally you understood. Yeah, my parents love me. It's great. So you had that first child, you're holding something that you had a part in making it was just really open that aperture opened my eyes up to to what it is and what it was it my parents really meant when they told me how they love me so unconditionally and it was it was just a filled this part of my heart that never knew was was missing and it's kind of a I always I always say that you have no idea what it's like, you know. Have no idea how much your parents love you until you have a child of your own and that was it at that point. It kind of stops becoming about me and what my dreams were and what I wanted for myself and hopefully maybe a little bit less selfish. Although some might argue that case but it really just made it all about my family and my child that point it wasn't she was absolutely most important person in my world. Yeah, very well said and and and since you do have the master of Business Administration are from the University of Texas, what was the college experience like for you because I got to tell you Chris. I drive a lot of uber and especially now that the kids are back in school and I drive them around a lot and it's kind of sad to see how many of these kids have no idea why they're even going to the school why they're majoring in what they're doing and they take it as kind of like a like a joke and it makes me kind of concerned about sending my kids to college. So what was it like for you at the University of Texas? So I I was in a Executive MBA program. So I was surrounded by people that are around my age. However, I did have a good glimpse into the university life, you know this point. I was 37 38 years old while I was going to school. And so again being a father this point. I had two children and my third on the way it it certainly made me appreciate one the educational opportunities that are offered to us, but I think the question you're asking is how important these days. Is college and you know, I listen to micro a lot because I think he's just a phenomenal person again, wonderful Storyteller and I love a lot of the the approach that he's taking because I came into the Navy straight out of high school. And so I didn't have any college. I went to college. I did my undergraduate degree while I was a field instructor. So I was going to school part time as well as working as an instructor and it helped me to appreciate it because I was there for a purpose my purpose was to to To receive an undergraduate degree because that's what I felt. I needed in my life to to accelerate my career path and really looking back and seeing what kids are experiencing today. And and the that people are almost funneled into this program one. They're incurring so much student debt. There's there's so much that's being placed on these kids. It's like this. It's just an assembly line of people going through and I'm not certain that they're really going to college. For for what? The intention of college was you mean you're going to come out of college with a hundred fifty thousand dollars in student loans. Most of that is probably derived from them living off of this type of loan. It's just a I don't necessarily think that it's a requirement for everybody to go to college. I think the trade schools are so undervalued in our society. For some reason. I don't understand it. There's a lot of opportunities out there, you know if you're predisposed Has to go to college if you understand what it is that you want to do in your career. You're not just going to college to to say you went and you go get a creative writing degree not to say that those are altogether bad. But if you go in there and you get a degree that isn't necessarily going to advance your career and you wonder and you sit back you like. Well, I'm making $40,000 a year. I went to this Ivy League school and I took two hundred fifty thousand two hundred fifty thousand dollars in student loan. I think this is driving a lot of the conversation that we are having as it pertains to You the student loan debt crisis and I put that in quotations because I don't necessarily feel it's a crisis. But but again, very long-winded answer to say I loved the college experience. I loved what I did because my purpose was to go receive an MBA. I wanted to translate what I did on the military side to that private sector lice and and have something that would carry over it was important for me, but that was my goal it was Wasn't just going to check a block and say hey, I did it, you know it gives on mommy and daddy's dying or I did it because it was it was what I was supposed to do they sound again. All right, Dad. The NFL season is now upon us and the Major League Baseball season is winding down. There is no better time to take your kids to the Ball Game and first class fatherhood listeners can save $20 off their tickets on seat geek.com by using my promo code first class. That's one word first class. Maybe you want to see a concert or a Broadway show save 20 bucks on the tickets on seek.com use the promo code first class. It's a slam-dunk field dad's seat geek.com promo. First class fatherhood is the best seat in the house. All right, guys, many of you have hit me up saying that you would like to start your own podcast and I am telling you right now anchor is the easiest way to get this done. Number one. It's free. I have never paid a dime to publish any of my podcasts and their creation tools allow you to record and edit right from your phone or your computer anchored those all the distribution as well. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more also you can make money with no minimum. Listen to Ship its everything. You need to make a podcast in one place. What are you waiting for down? Load the free anchor app today or go to Anchored on FM to get started. It does and that's exactly what I was talking about. See what you have a defined purpose. It makes a lot more sense and and I never went to college myself. I mean I learned the trade early on as far as mechanics and that has supported me and my family, you know, my my entire life here and it's I know the opportunities are great. It's just it's just scary when you see it firsthand the results of the kids. Like you said it assembly line fashion going in there and getting these degrees in Psychology or philosophy and they have zero plan or a goals in As with any of it. Yeah, it's it's just kind of shooting in the dark again. I think it's there they're doing this because that's what Society or perhaps their parents think is what's important for them. Like you said learn a trade go there do something that you're passionate about you and joy, I was the first person in my extended family to go to college to get an undergraduate degree in subsequently a master's degree and it was because I had that that what I wanted to do work, Acquired that type of schooling my dad didn't go to college my mom actually finished College after I did which was crazy and she became a school teacher because that was her passionate took her years and years to figure out that that's exactly what she wanted to do. And so so that was again it was it was a major driving force for her, but it's to me it is not a major requirement if my daughter's don't feel predisposed to go to college or they don't necessarily have a current plan that involves College There I'm not going to push him down that path. I'm gonna hopefully they're going to do very well in school and they're going to continue to push themselves academically, but if going off to college isn't in the cards for them and that's not something they feel that they needed that moment go get some life experience go out there and learn this is I think that we have a lot of students that are coming out of college with a div in pretty sheltered. Maybe they're not being taught how to think they're being taught what to think rather than how I think and I thought that's what colleges were about. I thought that was what was so important. So I was lucky to have gone to get my undergraduate degree when I was about 26 to 29 years old or 30 years old. So I had a little bit more perspective than your typical college kid coming out of high school had I gone to college straight out of high school. It would have been a complete disaster. I would have failed out immediately. I was way too immature. I needed that. I needed something else to kind of put me on that right path. They really understand what it was. I was getting myself into. Yeah. I'm the same way and I think you hit the nail on the head there about teaching the kids how to think and that's why it's encouraging I speak to so many of these entrepreneurs like these guys like Grant Cardone and I led bedros keuilian. These are guys that have just went from being broken just smashed the game just through pure hard work and have been able to amass fortunes because of all the opportunities that are there online that are available to everybody now via the Internet. There are any it's interesting you say that because the the internet has really opened up that that education because again, maybe you're not going to walk away with a degree from from again Ivy League school. However, it's the same education. It's essentially that you're learning the same things whether you take it online or you take it in the classroom. Certainly the instruction may be better. Maybe there's some more anecdotes that help drive it in a little bit better, but if you don't have the time to go off Off to school for four years you can certainly pick up bits and pieces along the way through this through technology which is which is really helped to kind of level that playing field. I would have thought you would just have a tendency to drive costs down. However, I think we've gone the opposite way. Yeah, and on that with the technology that is a challenge for a lot of us dad's myself included here, especially with my older ones. How is the technology with you as far as social media video games or any of that type of stuff what your girls how do you kind of monitor all that? You know, that's a that's a tough tough question. So my background at my wife my initial my first wife who I have my fifteen-year-old with we got divorced while I was a film structure right toward the end of my career and I had subsequently remarried and had my other two daughters. And so we have a different kind of a different mix. The reason I'm back in Houston is because this is where my my ex-wife and my daughter moves. So we wanted to be as close to her as as possible. So her social media presence and The rules that she has for her her social media are primarily driven by my ex-wife and what her beliefs are. However, we do have to be on that same page. And so my fifteen-year-old does the Snapchat which I don't necessarily see the value in some of that. She hasn't done Facebook and she does have an Instagram account. So she's there she does have that social media presence, but you know, I've heard it said that when you put all these Kids and you still give them access to some of these things even though other people can't see them perhaps you're hiding them as a fifteen-year-old your height you're saying. Hey, we're not open to the public. You have to go through these wickets in order to follow or request my daughter. It doesn't mean that she is blocked from seeing what's out there and so, you know again she's been able to through her social media present see much more than perhaps. Oops, I certainly than I ever did as a kid coming up and even perhaps more than I would I would like but I don't know what that what that balance is. I don't know what that balance is from being completely restrictive or being completely naive and open to everything. So it's that's been it's been a tough challenge. My ten-year-old still doesn't have a phone. She's in fifth grade. She's one of her only friends, but she doesn't clamor for that. It's she comes home. She does have an iPad that she gets in does. Academic things on she plays a couple of games on it, but she's so busy with sports and she's so busy with extra tutoring that that hasn't really been a big driving factor for her and my five-year-old like to watch videos on YouTube, but we try to limit that to certainly less than an hour a day, especially considering the fact that she's in school for upwards of eight hours a day. So we want to have some family time. So we try to do that we try yeah, it's just amazing how quickly we the technology chain like I remember like growing up. I was like The Tech Guy in our family because I knew how to hook up to VCRs and pieces and I could never imagine. You know, I always looked at my father was like, ah, he's so outdated. You don't know how to use this stuff. And now I'm asking my 13, you're like you hooked us up for the TV for me like that. I don't know watch this, you know, so it's amazing how quickly it all turned around isn't it funny? It really does. I mean, I remember being able to hook up like you said hook up some speakers and and get some things now, we're having the stream this and go through to the cloud to get the majority of our It's really interesting. It certainly again has has opened up what we see think about our days growing up. I'm sure you're close to my age and maybe a little younger but we grew up with basically three to four maybe five channels on TV whenever we got cable. I believe I was in Middle School and even that cable only work had 20 or so channels now, there's so much out there. There's so much content. It's really scary as a parent and as As a dad to see what's out there and it's tough It's a tough ballgame. And I think it's certainly a little bit harder than than our parents had it as we were coming up certainly, you know, they had no way to keep tabs on us because we didn't have cell phones. We didn't have tracking devices on our kids. We didn't have these type of conversations that you and I are having today, but it's just a different type of challenge. Yeah, for sure and I see that you have that now future governor of Texas in your bio there. Is that something that you're actually shoot on I'm glad to see so many seals and Veterans getting into the political Arena. We definitely need your voices. Is that something that you're considering? It's something that I've been talking about since since high school really and it was it was something I always had as a goal of mine. I was in 20 years as a CEO. I was going to 20 years in some capacity and I wanted to become a senator and work my would happen eventually become. Governor that was a long term goal as a kid. It's always something I kind of had in the back of my mind since my 20-plus years of service is up. I did realize that they don't elect poor people to office. So I have to go do something to make the little bit of money make a little bit of a name for myself on the in the local community and affect more change here locally, but my long-term goal and I'm going to continue to say it is to be the governor of Texas one day. I've talked about that a lot. I think my buddy Danny of Crenshaw is doing a phenomenal. Little job in Congress. He's a a real bright spot for the conservatives in that house. And I think you've done just a great tremendous job. I've talked to some local people here in Houston regarding getting into office in some capacity or another but at this point I'm really focused in on on my career professionally to make sure that I'm doing what's right for the company. I'm currently working for and doing as much as I can to them. But it always has been something in the back of my mind. Yeah, very cool. Yeah wait for Dan the Papik it out so I can get them on for a frogman Friday here. He's a he's a phenomenal guy. He and Tara are really well connected in the community and just done again a great job. He's such a great communicator of the messaging really distills things down to its simplest form, which I feel is really important for our government officials to be able to do rather than complaint and change and try to confuse everybody with this double talk. Yeah, definitely. All right. Well last thing I want to hear Chris. I love to ask all the dads I get on the podcast. What type of advice do you have for that new dad or for that about to be father who's out there listening? Is that is such a great question and it's funny. I was out for a jog the other day and my brother and sister-in-law recently had a child in July, but as it was coming up and I know that the baby was due. I sent them a text message and I said listen, you've got two three four weeks left as it's just you to enjoy it enjoy that time because it's that that's the foundation because if you and you're in and your spouse Are not doing well that that poor child's going to rate be raised in an environment. That's not necessarily conducive for them. So really build on that foundation for you and your spouse enjoy the time together because once that kid comes no longer about you two anymore. Now, it's this this you have this other entity. This life is person that you are now responsible for Holy and it's not about you. It's about that that kid in your family and so take a little time on the front end. If you can and do whatever whatever it takes to to take a break, you know kind of rekindle some of that love and passion because for the next four five six seven years while you're in it, it's not going to be so easy. Yeah, very well said I love the message. This has been an honor for me. I got to say Chris Gomez. You're a first-class father and thank you so much for give me a few minutes. You tie. My first class fatherhood. Like I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for what you do and I really look forward to this season. Back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again to Chris Gomez for giving me a few minutes of his time here at was such an honor. Please hit me up on Twitter guys or drop me that DM on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. I always love to read your feedback and let me know what you thought about all the episodes this week. I drop some really great content there for you guys a lot of great advice given out by some season father's next week. I got five bangers Comin your way. Make sure you follow me on Instagram at Alec on the score lace to find out all the rest of the guests announcements that are coming your way. That's all I got for you guys today. I hope you enjoy your weekend out there. I'm Alec lace. You have been listening to First Class fatherhood. And please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers and we're not just father's we are first class fathers.

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Hey, I'm Dustin and I'm Steve welcome back listeners to the finest photo tainment in the world. That's right. You're listening to the best photography podcast another episode of the wedding photo hangover. We're in a reverent look at photography this podcast like aspirin will help you recover from yourWedding hangover doesn't but you know, what's not going to help people recover from from wedding hangover, you know, just any hangover of any sort. What's that? See apparently sending out emails telling people to Mark Mark their calendars for this weekend because it's Tupac Shakur's birthday. I thought I thought this was a big weekend. I thought this I was all that. Yep. Just checking my invite list of things. I've been invited.You this weekend? Yeah Tupac's birthday. Is this weekend? Did you read about this? Did you see this? So this this guy a six 65 year old government employee in Iowa. He was the DHS director in Iowa and he was fired by the governor of Iowa because because he sent out too many emails with inspirational quotes from Tupac and apparently the icing on the cake was when he sent out an email saying mark your calendars, it's too Fox birthday to 4,300 government employees in the the picture of him with the white hair and the glasses. That's him. Let's reel him. That's not like a face app swap make somebody look old. He's actually a 65-year old dude who just thinks Tupac is the greatest could this be like one of those situations where he's actually somebody else living in this guy's body. He's actually Tupac. You didn't know that there you go. That's the answer Stephen. Yeah, so Jerry Fox of and was fired for for being too into to I'm sorry. This is just like that my favorite thing I've read recently and you know what they made a mistake Jerry Fox oven should have been promoted. He should not have been fired. You can't like Tupac too much. I just want to I just want to be a fly on the wall. His next job interview when they're saying so so Jerry. Was it Jerry? Mmm-hmm? Yeah. So Jerry, I see that your tenure at the Iowa Department of Human Services ended rather abruptly. Can he it can you explain to me what happened there? And he's just like Haters gonna hate but I just love my boy 2 pi too much and apparently the good folks in Iowa. Don't agree with my music selection. You mean like how does he spin that in his favor? I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. Do. You think he's a internet sensation now, so really he can, you know, go into the music industry. Probably I think about all the exposure he's got from this. Well, I mean, it's Rich. It's so rich with exposure. Do you think we Governor Reynolds went into him to fire him? He was like, I'm sorry, but It's time for we the people to start making some changes Steven speaking of changes. You just got back listeners might not realize this but we were actually on a two-week Hiatus while Steven traveled the world and by the world I mean, Wisconsin, how was your trip Steve? You look rested you look well and in tan to right you can see the tan. The shades there, you know, I just figured you turned a warmer lamp on. That I did that I did that. It was mostly that. Actually. It's actually a UV lamp the the doctor prescribed to me. So I wouldn't look so pale anymore. Okay. He thought I could really brighten up my smile bring a little life back to my dead eyes. It's it burns the working. Yeah could be working. Yeah. So how was that all that water parking and Wisconsin needing get a lot of cheese in you know up those veins. Surprisingly this year like pastures of always stopped like a cheese shop because that's what Wisconsin's known for and this year we decided not to do that Dustin. Wow, but we did make the mistake and it was a glorious mistake of going to a local restaurant ordering food not realizing all the food there came smothered and Monterey Jack cheese sauce. Hmm sounds amazing. I was that a mistake. So I got like a hamburger smothered in Monterey Jack cheese sauce with cheese curds. On it. Oh, yeah, and if the place was a Distillery and so they called it like they're like they're bourbon burger or something. So I was expecting like a bourbon sauce, but now there's nothing like that. It was just a lot of cheese. Now, you know what their Bourbons made of just straight cheese just they wanted to open a restaurant but figure they needed to be a Distillery first. Yeah. Yeah, it is is a great trip, you know, I took Jane. An out for her birthday and I'm Margarita and taco tour of Wisconsin Dells. You know, Mexican food is probably not something the Dells are, you know typically associated with but I don't know there's this Taco chain, I believe in New York called Del Taco. Maybe there's a correlation there dude. If there'd been a Del Taco in Wisconsin. I would have hit that up when Jen and I went to California. We got off the airplane tried to go. Like a local restaurant near the airport because we're both just famished restaurant was closed tried to go to a different restaurant that restaurant had a two-hour wait and we just happened to see a Del Taco then we're both just ago famished and we're about an hour away from we're going to Ulysses house the first night where there Ulysses Del Toro the wedding photo podcast, and I think I've heard of him. We stopped to the Del Taco. There you go. So good so so much better than I remember they used to have Del Tacos in Indiana and they're all gone. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, there's one up in South Bend. I figured it was only in Wisconsin. No, it's not even in Wisconsin anymore. They took the whole chain and just move to California. I think I've seen him in New Jersey really we just want to compete with in and out. That's all that's all that's it. It's done. So it's a good trip you go again. Oh, I am have gotten the last three years fan. It must be a good trip then Steve. Just my mom bought. Timeshare in this is the closest place to her that is part of that timeshare and are all of her grandchildren say it's the most fun vacation that go on every year so she has no incentive to try any other places out. But I mean, you know before when we went on vacations with her before she found, you know, this Wisconsin Dells one, we went to, you know, great places like Disney Myrtle Beach Vegas Wing Fort Wayne now another great was there's no Vacation stuffing for you Wayne oddly. Yeah, it's actually more vacation stuff in Muncie than there is in Fort Wayne. It's weird. We should start a timeshare in Fort Wayne. Yeah. I don't know. Why would I mean there's all those lovely condos and in Muncie So speaking of needing to drink what might you be thinking of needing to drink. What is the great Steven Van Elk sipping on tonight? Tonight death and I am joy in enjoying a fathom IPA from Ballast Point Brewing Company. Mmm. So Levi had a beverage there while I was in San Diego with mr. Ulysses Del Toro. No, I didn't tell you this Jen and I went there on Father's Day. Left left the kids back in Indiana and on Father's Day treated treated myself to balance point. I went to the brewery. I tried like five or six of their beers is awesome. All we get out here for the most part is well now we get fat of my PA, but before all we got was like the scope and stuff and I've never been a huge fan of sculpin but a lot of their other peers are real good and the span of my PA is great, too. I enjoyed what I had. I don't remember what it was but It was a dark beer. Mmm, you like dark beers. So every now and then doesn't what are you drinking tonight tonight? Stephen. I am drinking something a little different. Jamocha tank a little you shake his the did you focus on your work until then a car accident? You told me when you work late you like to have a gym locker shake. This is like an episode or two ago. I was working late. So here in Fort Wayne Indiana where all the great people live the best people It's where everybody goes on vacation here in Indiana. Yeah, there's a lot of condos attached to strip clubs almost as good as Santa Claus Indiana, but we have this Festival every year and it happens to be this week. I always get that couple who wants to do engagement photos during the festival is this why you've had in our show notes for like the last two years this running thing of like, how do you find parking at a festival when you're doing a photo shoot there that leave Never talked about because it seems so incredibly bad could be it today. It seems so much like it doesn't apply to anyone else nor its you. Literally the only week of the year where our downtown becomes like mass chaos, but they bring in like all those like cheesy Carney rides, they block off streets and it's like a week-long thing here in Fort Wayne and Genesis shot up. Wedding two years ago in Fort Wayne. Yes, you did during that addressed all yeah. Yeah. That was yeah. It was a fun time. Yeah. It's literally the highlight of the year in Fort Wayne parking is really easy to find though. I don't know so I am drinking tonight Stephen is I am drinking a lemon shake-up. Oh just a little little bit of vodka in it a little bit or a lot of that tone it down put it. It depends on how much I shook it up. You probably have vodka in your house. So you get a little more. If you need a little pep in your step a little pep in your step. I mean a little slurring your speech a litter a little trip in your step. Yeah, but yeah, that is what I'm drinking a good old spikes lemon shake-up. I like it. I love it. You guys have festivals in Noblesville. Oh, yeah, dude, we were at a festival the other week and Noblesville and we he bought tickets to go on some sort of train ride because Is like a train in Noblesville? I asked our shrimp broke down and train broke down and broke down after Jen and I missed it because we got there late. So the train broke down it didn't have any air conditioning and you couldn't get off the train and they had to it got towed back to the place where the festival is going on and it took them like 20 minutes to get it towed back during which time it was a thing like 95 that day and it felt like as like a hundred and five or something ridiculous like that. Those people just like sweating like crazy and just dying. I assume man and we missed it. Thanks to be in daylight. Yeah last year. I think we went to the festival maybe once this year including this engagement session. I will have been three times nice taking the kids taking the kids Twice first time we went we got this macaroni and cheese thing and we all got sick nice. I like it. I like a lot of mac and cheese in Wisconsin. I don't know if you know this, but they're kind of known for cheese up there. Yeah. Apparently these guys should take some It's because whatever they put in their cheese was instantly gotten rid of to Jen doesn't like Jen's not a fan of poutine, you know, you know, what poutine is like fries with gravy and cheese curds and I'm not a big fan of it either, you know, it's delicious and you should both be fans of it. But while we were in Wisconsin that place I got like the burgers smothered in the Monterey Jack cheese and stuff. She got tater tots mac and cheese tater tots and they come on. Out and its back its tater tots with like that Monterey Jack cheese cheese curds mac and cheese like this the most terrible thing for you. I could ever think of and it basically was like almost exactly like poutine just - - the the gravy is more of a cheese gravy which is the part. I don't like. Oh, no, dude, you've had bad poutine then you can get real good poutine. There's a there used to be a place in Muncie the did poutine real. Well, it's just like Fries cooked in duck fat and like bacon grease our bacon gravy on top of them man is so good. Sounds like diabetes. It wasn't sugar gravy. This candy fries and like a heart attack there. Yeah. It was a heart attack. Yeah, that's that's what Wisconsin is known for heart attacks. Gotcha. Yeah. Thank you for smoking. Come on. Do we have any follow-up trademark John Syracuse a yes we do. Doesn't remember last week we talked about the influencer 55,000 followers. Just trying to get a documentary made about their wedding for free as they should. Yeah. And and the the guy wrote back and is very funny email basically saying, I'm sorry. Did you miss like a zero when you said 55,000 because usually when people ask us for free stuff, they have a lot more followers and that's not really a lot. Well the influencers agent if the influencer has an agent didn't like this response that she got from this from this guy. What's his name? I should look it up Frankie low bring kilo of betroth betrothed and Co and the influencers manager wrote back and said frankly my client and I find that kind of unprofessional email appalling and we will no longer be considering you as contenders to shoot. What would have been a very lucrative wedding for you. It would have been a great opportunity for you to network with other social media influencers and some celebrities who will be making TV appearances later in the year on top of that. We have had other businesses reply to us with additional offers of goods and service. Basically paying us to work with them rather than giving us a load of and then she uses a racially charged slur gy P never heard that it's it's racist against Gypsies. And yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not good. So rather than giving us a load of let's just say shite instead like what you have. And then the person continues and said this wedding is really important to my client as her mother has been diagnosed with cancer and it's really unfair of you to be so mean when you could have just said no politely, please don't email again as we will have to name and shame you if you continue with this abuse what's funny is that they have enough time on their hands to respond to the people in general. Well, yeah. Probably not. There's probably no manager is probably just the influencer pretending to be their own manager. So they seem more important and that's a genius idea. Hold on Steve one second. Don't don't hold on one second. This is so stupid. You're on with Dustin's manager. He ran to get another lemon shake-up. It'll be right back. Is this different than the person from Big Burrito who responsive emails the the female adults. You must be steered one side. He's coming right back. Excuse me. Here he is. Oh, thank you. Sorry about that. Sorry Steve. Where are you? Sam it puts Barney Frank onto your lemon shake-up. Yep. Yep, just a little little little tip. You know what? I mean? Yeah. So Frankie low from betrayals and cow then sent back another email after being told. not too because of the whole naming and shaming thing which is kind of like, well, he already had, you know sent this original email out and told everybody who he was so I don't think he's afraid of being shamed and basically offers sarcastic apologies for everything that happened criticizes the writer of the email for getting so much wrong with the grammar and in her email and also calls her out and says man says secondly apologies if our fourth right attitude means we forfeited the opportunity of networking with celebrities who will be on TV later this year or in non PR speak people who have never been on TV which which I loved. Yeah, then he also called her out for the racist remark. Pointing out that while he was not abusive in his email to her that is actually, you know an abusive term to use and then, you know apologizes for the fact that he didn't know that the clients mother had cancer and also mentions that it's kind of weird that you know, the original email didn't lead with that since that is something like if you know, somebody has a terminal illness a lot of times people would offer free services if they knew that. Though ya know is a great do they write back? No, right bad side. No right backs after that. Even you must keep us apprised of this story as it unfolds. I'm going to be emailing Frankie just up down all over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah another 100 Steve one one commenter on the article, which was on 9gag. Whose name is Kathy. I think mentioned the purchase. the person never mentioned in the email that they say it's very important to the clients mother who's suffering from cancer to be at the wedding but still they're not getting married for another two years, which is a great point to you know, just threw out there like hey this thing of my mother having, you know in terminal cancer that was real then, you know, maybe you'd be getting married a lot sooner sounds like you need to start stretching that Influential muscle you got there Steve. Yeah, I got to get out there and got it. Got to get the brand out there. Hmm. So sure desson. Let's move into topics you you posted a topic to to the shots this week. What doesn't what do you want to talk about Buddy? Well, I shot I saw this story come across the news desk where you were on vacation and it was just it's probably a little dated now, but I felt like speaking of mac and cheese and your Delight in Wisconsin that this was irrelevant relevant article to what we here at the wedding photo hangover stand for and that is wedding guests evacuating a reception after a drunk woman shits herself. The Dancefloor tell me more go on go on. Apparently I was really hoping there would be pictures but there that was not pictures. So you added this to action us, but you had an actually read the article yet. I love this. I love this. Keep going. Keep going. Guests name was Liz. She got plastered at a wedding about about the time. The the toasts were happening guess commented that she was talking loudly through all the speeches and when she got to the dance floor She was like a rhino with cannonballs of red wine. Like I should poetry I love that part is another type of all right later became to trying to dance while bumping into People and double-fisting cups of red wine above her head. She kept screaming that she didn't have her kids so she could party on just want to picture two visual of you doing that. Anyway, here here are some more poetry from the thing so you can picture it. She was absolutely covered in red wine. She had it all over her dress even on the back. It literally looked like she took a Cabernet shower. This Rider is quite poetic of that file of this. This is a fantastic thing that I got to read. I'm so I'm so happy that you shared this with me Destin but the best part the kicker she got so drunk that she shit herself on the dance floor and everyone evacuated because it smelled so bad. So I just want to preface this though if this shit did Stink would people not have Evacuate the Dancefloor would they just kind of like danced around it and makes it seem that the smell aspect was the horrific War. I think what year did sell dumpling so bad. Is she shit herself on the dance floor and it sounds like you're thinking like she pulled down her pants or dress pulled up her dress and drawn here and took a dump. I would pause it. It from the sound of this, you know this article that it sounds like maybe even her undergrad it stayed in her undergarments and and she just kept dancing in the stank just started walking around. Yeah, and she was too drunk to realize that she had done it this fight. You got to have a bouncer at your wedding, you know, I'm talking about. Where was I couldn't find in the article where the wedding was hmm, Noblesville, Indiana right there. That'd be great. I wish I don't think they say. Let's just say it was in Toronto then right? That's where all the best wedding stories like this come from. That's why Lisa and Rebecca got their start doing Secret Life of weddings because they're from Toronto. So that's right. That's right. Anywho, so that's my that's the only thing I really wanted to talk about. I mean, it's not like there was any big gear announcements while you were gone. Yeah, it's been pretty quiet. I think we can just shut down the podcast then right? No, no, no gear announcements at all. Definitely. Definitely. No Sony was pretty pretty quiet this week. They didn't announce anything that Jay. I was quiet this week a lot of megapixels. Yeah, Sigma was very quiet this week. Yep moment was quiet this week. Yeah most I think probably honestly Stephen the reason all of these companies were so quiet is they were too busy gaming and preparing and stocking up for Amazon Prime day days and something happened during Amazon Prime XI by anything ask anything on Amazon Prime day sighs on vacation. I didn't even check my email. I almost got suckered into some Bose headphones. They're like you already had Bose headphones. I one man cannot have enough Bose headphones in their lives. You got noise canceling Bose headphones. I know but every time I go on a flight and I see somebody with the Bluetooth version because I have the old ones that still required to be plugged in like a freaking peasant. And then I see those blue to I see him like strap those on as they're walking down the you know the gate and just put all their stuff away not have to flick wires as you're trying to buckle your seatbelt or you know, try to put your iPad in its Center Council and then you got to lift your tray table up and then your core to your headphones is jerking your head forward person next to you gets caught up in your cord when they're buckling their seatbelt. Now, you've got a neck cramp. It's just it's a whole thing Steve. It's a whole thing. Sounds like it. So anyways, I saw an opportunity to perhaps get some Bluetooth ones then I realized Bose has great marketing genius when it came to the sale and they have ones that looked just like the noise canceling ones that just aren't noise canceling. And yeah, you could buy a noise cancelling set of headphones from a different company a different brand doesn't have to be buzzed. I'm a little bit loyal Steve. I'm a loyalist. Mmm a brand loyalists when it comes to my audio gear. When it comes to your audio gear around my ears your gear my ear hear all about that. But yes you I didn't know if maybe if you / took and perhaps like one too. They were running some crazy specials $100 for some photo related gear to take advantage of any of that didn't even know what happened until it's too late. I even have to like a slick deals alert set up to let me know when there are great deals on. Canon gear and stuff so I would have thought I would have gotten you know an alert about it, but nope how long so for those of you out there listening that live under a rock Amazon had a glitch in their system during their Prime days and had some incredible savings on some very expensive camera equipment including the Canon EOS are the Sony a nine and what looks to me. E to be like at Cannon like 500 millimeter lens or something like that. Yeah. It's a $13,000 lens apparently and you could buy under will over $100 on Prime day cheese. Yeah, so apparently Amazon realized what was going on and shut down people's accounts who are trying to buy like a bunch of stuff for $100. Like I think temporarily shutting tx-102 and somebody so somebody at Amazon caught it but they didn't catch it before a bunch of stuff at already, you know shipped because of how fast Amazon is at, you know meeting the orders and sending stuff out so Stuff that probably never have gotten it. Yeah stuff that already shipped, you know, people just got it and now they paid a hundred dollars for $13,000 lens. Which they could immediately turn around and sell for what doesn't 9000. Is that what you have said somebody got somebody got the eight. It was not just an a 9 it was an 89 bundle with a 24 to 70 damn for $95 out of an awesome. Somebody got an A7 body for $95. Somebody bought to a 65 hundredths and then one a 7 3 Jus with a 16 to 24 or something like that. For $100 then saw I was also being used for like Canon and Nikon stuff as well started loading Canon and Nikon gear up into their cart and that's when their account was shut down by Amazon for suspicious Behavior. I was just reading that and I was like, how would you like to be that guy? Who's like fuck? I didn't why don't I just pull the trigger on the A9? Why did I start with a 65 hundredths? Yeah the huge mistake. I mean, I don't feel like there's much to talk about here. This is this isn't much a story. Some people got a great deal windfall deal and most people think of us are just depressed now. Yep survivors me if I'd seen it. I don't know that I would have even bought it I would have just been like this can't be real. There's there's something weird going on here and I feel like some third party company is going to steal my money. Because third-party companies can still do terrible stuff on Amazon. So yeah this same I ran into a glitch like this once before. I don't know if I shared this on the podcast, but I ran into a glitch like this on Urban Outfitters website where somebody was actually kind enough to share the glitch with me and then like with this this glitch with Amazon, correct, correct, and I was able to take advantage of it. And I bought a hundred cameras and Urban Outfitters. It was the Fuji like Polaroid cameras. Okay, or I guess it was a Fuji was just Polaroid and what you doing? Remember sold them on eBay ice. Yeah, one of our friends our Grooms wanted to buy them to put on the tables for wedding gifts and then you realize how expensive they were and so he was going to get them as groomsmen gifts. And then he went to add them to his car and he realized that if you bun like if you put the film for it in the cart the price of the camera itself disappeared from the cart. So you're just paying for the film. And so he bought like 10 cameras and then he went and did it again and bought 10 more and just kept repeating the process and then I was having lunch with him later that day and he was telling me about this is crazy Destin. So what is Dustin do he goes and buys a hundred of them? And then I find out later I find out later that the glitch Works with anything you added to your cart because when he got to work after lunch she told of course everyone that he worked with because he's an idiot. And yeah, so then everybody I mean people were getting mowed not motorcycles but like their little scooters like leather couches. I mean some of the large items that home good or Urban Outfitter cells via their website and so most of their orders got cancelled but a few people did receive thinks it was the Jersey things usually hundred 100 cameras. Yeah speaking of cameras I-70 dropped to 87 are for announcement. Well, I know a lot of people in the video space where a little like, I mean, we're still waiting on that 87's three guys, and you're already jumping to the four on the our series. People are wondering if it's just can't handle the overheating with this with the S Series but what the rumor Mills are spitting out but but from everything I read about this are for it seems like a really solid camera sounds like it does video better than the a7s. So who cares if they never come out with another a7s, right? Well, I mean You don't really need 61 megapixels. It's a bit overkill for what we do. Are you taking photos of this? Are you doing video with this? Well, why don't you walk us through what makes it such a good video camera other than incredible autofocus as an incredible autofocus. So, okay. Yeah. Oh no. It's get your two card slots. It does. So does that mean you're switching? No. Okay. I'm too invested into the 5D Mark four series. Can't even go mirrorless with Cannon to which is really make a big deal about the I focus for animals and I don't shoot animals and I didn't realize there was such a large sector of photographers that were being neglected with their autofocus capabilities because they didn't focus on animals. so what I say seven are for do The camera is 61 megapixels who cares who's ever going to use 61 megapixels? I don't know somebody like James Kelly who shoots Landscapes. Yeah, I guess as a wedding photographer. Do you see any need for this? Do you see any use for 60-point megapixels? Well, and I so I think the argument is constantly made like wow 61 megapixels means the image is going to be huge but also with 61 Comes a tremendous amount of information in your files. So oftentimes the the richness in the editability of your files becomes borderline what you would get in like a medium format type situation. So I think back from when I shot with a Nikon d3x, which was Nikon's like big megapixel camera back in the day. I always felt like those Those files were just like that the amount of dynamic range I could pull out of those was regardless of the file size was just so much more in that kind of speaks true of this Sony. The dynamic range is supposed to be nuts in these files think someone said like ten stops or 15 stops or something just bananas. The survey's I read about the a7r for said it was basically the same image quality is a 7-3 or they 7r3, but it's just so much better for the autofocus. The I feel like that's that's the real killer thing. There is the eye autofocus the real time I autofocus for video. I don't know why you told me I couldn't talk about that. That's the only thing worth talking about. Yeah. I know that's why I didn't really feel like it was a huge leap forward by any means it is a huge leap forward the I auto focus during in real time while you're shooting videos a huge leap forward. Yeah, but I thought I thought I read somewhere and feel free to ride in if I'm wrong. On care that they're going to be releasing a firmware update to do this with the A7 3. I've not read anything like that. So Stephen, are you buying this and then partnering part pairing it with your new Ronin SC? Doesn't that seem like a great idea so DJ? I just released a new Ronan which is like there. It's like they're gimbal for like shooting video. It's like a one-handed. It's through a gimbal that's not meant for shooting video. You can do time lapse photography Panorama is other stuff with it. You don't just have to shoot video Destin. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a lot of stuff out there doesn't have you you you Varon until you know, I have as I Hyun crane to I have seen green Tail as well as well. So yeah. No, I mean I use looks awesome today. Did you have you ever you ever used yours if you sit several times? Thank you Dustin. I just don't use it with you because you always hire like to other people who are going to be on gimbals all. All day and it's like gimbal Wars. You shouldn't you shouldn't have everything on a gimbal all day long. You should have a range in a variety of different shots. Have you ever watched a movie? You'll notice not every single shot shot on a Steadicam just rocking around the people doing circles and all sorts of weird crazy shit most of the time they're doing shots on tripods when you're making a wedding film. Maybe you know, think about like hey and like movie studios would they do a gimbal shot for every single shot all day long? The answer is no then why would you be doing that for your wedding film? Just throwing that out there just throwing it out there because I see a lot of these wedding films where it's like I'm on a gimbal all day. Every single shot is basically spinning around a person or like a tracking movement shot. It's like you never let like the the bride and groom move into and out of the frame, but just because you're on a gimbal doesn't mean you have to move you don't have to but I'm just saying what I see just saying what I see out there in the real. Real world. So the new Ronan SE has like a cool thing where you can like hook your phone up to the top. So you can use your phone to track focus on people by like basically drawing a box with your finger like one corner to the other, you know, but my question was does it track when that person is moving? Yes, I would like to see that reviewed that aspect because that seemed interesting to me. So I mean essentially it's an Graded baguette stripped down version of the original Ronin s has it stripped down strip it strip it down for me baby. It's lighter. It's designed for a lighter payload. So it's meant purely for mirrorless cameras. Whereas the Ronin s can put like your Blackmagic Cinema cameras your bigger like one DX's things like that. You're more Pro body the video camera and it just like mirror. Lists can be honest. Yeah. Yep, even like a big like a heavy lens on a mirrorless would maybe make this thing really struggle. But if you're going to use a prime lens and a lightweight Sony or G H5, this thing would really really be for you. I'm thinking about getting one because my eyes I Hyun has been giving me some troubles and you want to put like a big lens on it because you kind of like to see it struggle. Right. No, I just my widest lens is my 24 to 70 and I really don't feel like spending the money to get a 35 and but sometimes like you just want like a real big one, right? I always want the biggest one. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So are you going to get one of these Steve here with your sihyun now? No, I'm good. I would have to book a lot more video stuff and it's just not in the cards right now. I wasn't I would love to start doing more video work. That's you know, just say the word man. I'm just shooting every freaking day seems like it's crazy. Fly me up to Fort Wayne. Well, I have too far away business class. I was telling me I was telling the couple today at my engagement session at the carnival. They were doing helicopter rides and about an hour before the session a couple a square at the carnival. We wanted to meet and I wish I'd had the audacity to say. Oh meet you know where the helicopter rides were but like get in the helicopter ride time it just right and land in the helicopter and just like I'm here like I just landed. You know like that never whatever works never and they would have seen you landed me like he paid to go on a helicopter ride. They would have been like he flew here in his helicopter. Yes. Really? What is this? Idiot doing but in my mind, that's how I would have felt I would have thought it would have gone. I would have been like, oh God. I feel like a badass. I just landed in downtown Fort Wayne and a helicopter with a camera. I feel like a badass. I just landed in downtown, Fort Wayne. Words have never been said before never see when you strip away the comments to even analyze them bit by bit takes it all out of proportion. So doesn't speaking about cool cool new gear would what do you think about the sigma Sigma releasing the smallest full frame camera to date speak? They should just stick to lenses me too. It kind of reminds me like the the look of it and the giant touchscreen and everything on the back of the yongnuo camera that was announced which came out and was apparently just white hot garbage. No, was it? Yeah. Yeah, like the actual like photos it took Roque, but it was like the touchscreen because everything was a touchscreen into have like, you know. Buttons to like buttons do stuff and apparently like it's just like the whatever the software was they use some some strip down thing of Android. I'm guessing, you know just didn't work well and just it made everything really tough and I heard didn't it struggled real hard and low light to so I would hope Sigma would do a better job, but I don't know that this is actually going to be any better. It is the words of Allah Full-frame mirrorless camera though, but that's kind of cool. I guess it looks like it's like the size of maybe a Sony a 6500 maybe yeah. And I mean that's just really small. It's like, you know you do you want something really small in hand or do you want something large and hand? I mean I don't like to put things in my hands, but Stephen you you're really into putting things in your hands. So yeah assume you want something really large a lot of girth to it in your hands. Well, you know, I want to know till my mouth if I put it in and I just don't know that this one. He went all the way in with that one Dustin. Do you want to head over to the drone zone? Welcome to the drones. Oh, man, this kind of takes. I can't fly a helicopter. Obviously. I must fly a drone. So without further Ado Let's cross over into the drone zone. You know flying in a helicopter a million times better than flying a drone. You know, I'm just gonna throw that out there. You just don't jump on the microphone and you just say to the pilot and you're like, hey fly me over there. I need to shoot this thing. And then you tell the pilot to do in the pilots like a professional pilot who does this for a living and they just fly you over and they do whatever it is and you just shoot the whole time. You're not worried about hitting power lines hitting Spider-Man. You know, you're just you're just getting the shot. You just get in the shot, but you would probably need a gimbal. Like a ronin SC know, I've never I've shot out of a helicopter before I didn't use it video game. Oh, yeah just handheld out of a helicopter. Yeah and helicopter with no doors sounds fun. Yeah, they just loosen the seatbelt so I could lean on the side sounds super safe. It's so much fun the best experience I've ever had shooting video period hands down. Drones just don't compare but this new moment are Kickstarter thing. Yeah, do you want to tell us a little bit more about that? I mean this is combining kickstarter's and drones. That's like your things. This is this is a this is made for you. So yeah the for those of you out there who aren't familiar moment is yeah, for those of you out there who aren't familiar Dustin is a person who invests a lot of money into things on Kickstarter that will never get shipped in never arrived. So basically if Dustin gives any money to this it guarantees that moment will never actually ship this thing. That's why I'm not buying it. I'm sorry Dustin. Did you want to talk about the moment ring though? Sure. I just wanted to set the stage for everybody listening. So moment is a company that designed a lens filter case situation for iPhones a couple years back. Back and had just a myriad of success with that. And so with the mobility of drones they thought why not go back to the drawing board and design the same lens we did for the iPhone that gives you that anamorphic lens look with the really great flare for the Drone. And so that's what they did and it's only for the mavic series, but it looks really cool. Well, unfortunately, I just don't shoot enough video with my drone. I do more Stills with mine to make it really really worth it for me, but I would love Steven to buy it when it comes out and you know review it and let me know how it is. Yeah, that sounds like something that will definitely not happen. So man. That's great. Hmm. I thought so is the the moment are Kickstarter. Is it for a specific drown Dustin? I said the mavic just for the madness. Yeah, but is it for the the pro or the zoom I said it could be used with either really I thought that's what I read at least. Now you're me second guessing my it so you can't use it with your beloved Phantoms know which I think I'm going to sell the Phantom's are now Phantoms are going the way the dinosaur. It's all about those Mavericks. Now, you know, what's going to happen next? I says mavic to Pro and zoom, you know, what's going to happen next us and they're going to throw out those Mavericks and it's going to be all about that DJI Spark All about that spark spark. Yes, but yeah, they gotta get those drones even tinier even smaller. Yeah, it's funny as I saw this announcement and I immediately thought of my friend Luke who shoots wedding videos and does a lot of stuff with drones in his wedding videos. And I thought man this would be right up his alley and then I realized he sold his mavic and got the Phantom. Well, not so much. He got the Phantom. He got his old Phantom. Next because he crashed it into a tree. And I said I have it before and it was fine afterwards. Yeah, I know. I told him she'd kept the mafic man. What a huge mistake. Yeah. Yeah, but I think I'm going to sell my Phantom this week or next whenever I have a free second to take some pictures of it. We're like eight batteries for it. Any interest e, nope. It's want to add a another drone to your paperweight collection. Yeah. No, I mean as much as I would love that. No, not this time doesn't you know, can I tell you about the world's first solar graphy time-lapse Stephen? I would love nothing more than you to tell me about the First Solar graphic graphy. Graphic City, you know a seller graph is I think it's a pun on Scylla Griffey got nailed it in one beautiful. So what's the liquor fee silly goofy is the the groupie of the solar year your graphing this the solar the the sun? It's a son graph. We got it the science of the celebrity of the salar. Yeah. So the gravity is a technique for photographing the sun's path through the sky by using a pinhole camera to expose photographic paper for anywhere from a few hours to Over a year so a photographer Named Sam Cornwell created what he believes is if world's first solar graphy time-lapse, he is the founder of a company called solar can a unique can pinhole camera that makes it easy for anyone to shoot solar crafts without having to create the pinhole camera themselves. And so he used a matrix of 27 solarcaine cameras, which he put up sometime this last winter I think and All twenty seven exposures were started at the same time and then he visited the site once a week until the summer of 2019 summer solstice to be exact and retrieved. Retrieve cameras each time you went back, you know once a week and then he took all the photos and he turned it into you know, like a little time lapse GIF like it like it's just 27 photos. I mean that's not even like a full second of video. So lets you doing 22 rifle is it is beautiful. So it shows like a tracing of like the sun crisscross criss-crossing. It's not Christmas just crossing it shows a video of this. Brought in the sky and there's a few of the sons pass in some of the frames where it looks like the sun is like out of like it's moved like there's like, you know several of the layers of the Sun moving across the sky and then there's like one layer where it's like a different hump in a different place and apparently somebody vandalized his thing. So that's why like turn some of the cans or something and yet nothing. back or whatever So that's why there's a few weird like images in the 27 images. But now it's super cool like you just watch like this growing hump as the sun gets higher and higher in the sky over the you know, as you transition from winter to summer and you have more sunlight does it inspire you see you to do something like super creative like that. Absolutely not no. 27 weeks 27 weeks. You have to have enough beer cans to do something like this. I have to go up 27 weeks of your life to this project. Actually, I mean that's not bad at you can start like you're giving up 27 weeks. You just go once every week and take a new beer can down. That's basically what they are, but I just I don't I don't have the patience for something like that. Doesn't you know, the patient's don't like that see if I have the patience for a lot of things and then I don't do them the kids. You're too busy being patient with me on this podcast. I always I always come up with these like fun ideas. Like I'm going to shoot a picture of my son in the same spot every day or every other week or I'm going to do a picture of the backyard of my house every season and make a time-lapse and all those fun things like that that Are you to take a picture same time over an extended period of time then you do it like every year why seniors like yeah. No, I'm done. Like even our wedding we had this idea and I mean this isn't an original idea. I've seen other people do it, but like taking a picture of us holding a picture of our wedding on our anniversary or round our anniversary every year and then you swap out the photo in the frame with that photo watch yourself getting fatter and fatter and fashion. Yeah, and older and older and older now, they have apps for that. So you don't need to really do it actually will give you a raise just falling out and your skin is drooping and there's just wrinkles everywhere and you're like why the hell did I take this project on it's just reminding me that we all deteriorate. Yep, so that only problem was with that project was like the clients of mine who would do that could care less if it was like a cell phone quality picture, but Dustin, you know, amazeballs McKibben needed that photo to be like profession. And so if I couldn't get enough time to have good lighting, you know, someone that actually knew what they were doing with a camera it just wasn't worth doing. Doing in my mind and now here we are coming up on our seventh year anniversary. And we I think did it the first year of our marriage, you know, I get that all the time because like you remember when we were doing the thing with a gradable and like you made a video of yourself opening The Griddle and you're like, all right, you know you make one Steve and I never did is because like every time I went to like make it I was like, all right, I can should just like do this real quick. I'll Open up the little box and I get it done. And then I was like nah, if I'm gonna do this I want to do like a stop motion animation thing at the beginning and then like I want to do this, I don't want to do this. I'm just like this is going to take so much time and I really don't want to do a shitty one. Now that I have good ideas in my head. And so then I did what you never did one because I literally just did it on my iPhone because I wanted it to be good not like yours. I know. Wanted to be good too, but I knew if I wanted to be good. I never would have did it. Yeah, so I never never got it done. I opened it though is very nice. Thank you so much. Yeah nicey-nice. You think it is? I see the truth and the truth sees you Steve and the truth has Set Me Free now doesn't ever going to do some Q&A this week question answer me Stephen. What are you doing this until you get it? Right? I don't know how many times I have to tell you people anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. It's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will this Jerry your podcast for you? So you can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money for your punk ass. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Although the free anchor a poor good anchored out of him to get started. Please get started right now. Do it again. Let's do some QA but let's take our first question comes from Rebecca Elliott from our very own Facebook group. Rebecca says second shot for a new photog this year. First wedding was such a sad sad shit show. I'll suck. Sorry Rebecca that she came home and told her significant other that she'd be canceling the remaining four gigs. With this other photographer then after thinking about it Rebecca decided money is money in there are lots of people who have to work jobs every good damned good damned day that they don't enjoy it. So what's another four days suck it up? Hashtag suck it up buttercup. Her husband was a guest at the next one this photographers working with and the other geographers husband came up to Rebecca during the family wedding party formals and handed her her wedding ring. She rolled her eyes and put it on Rebecca asked her about it during dinner in the photographer said that she had gotten in a fight with her husband and she had thrown the wedding ring at him. At this point Rebecca says poor form is the norm. So she's not really surprised and then Rebecca asks, where do you draw the line for it's not worth it to work with this person. Rebecca said she consider that being associated with a photographer who makes jokes about stripper glitter on the religious groom yells at Grandma because she's not standing correctly and stops taking photos to tell Rebecca about her marriage drama could reflect. Early and Rebecca was Rebecca shooting with me. Yes, probably but Rebecca says then she just keeps thinking about the Drone in the travel in the new mirrorless in the glass and and and she really says no to work and to highlight how rarely it is that she says no to work. She says she just booked an elopement for a trump supporter and it was not just a trump supporter a trump supporter. Either she had defriended on Facebook which good Lord sounds ridiculous when she writes it her words not mine, but this Trump supporters still reached out to Rebecca said some real dumb shit during the booking process and Rebecca still took his money and will make his wedding look like it's not a misogynistic tragedy so doesn't win. Do you say nope and walk away from a client Rebecca's significant? Others said she should have Charged a hefty pain-in-the-ass fee to make it worth it has anyone done that charged extra because the cumple because the couple is well extra hashtag. The struggle is real hashtag should have gone to Business School. Pretty sure Steve charges a pain in the ass for you whenever you like. It shoots with me or by. No, that's my normal fee Dustin. If I added the pain in the ass Beyond you would never hire me now. You just usually don't hire me as nothing to do with how busy you always are. You know, I try to hire you and you told me now was that about That's because I just didn't think you would accept my pain in the ass fee. And take that pain in the ass from you when cold. Oh my goodness Rebecca. That is a great question though. I am Cut From the Same Cloth is you yeah. Dustin doesn't like butt sex either. He does not like a pain in the ass and I'm just gonna come out and say it I don't like a pain in the ass either. It doesn't mean it's always going to be unpleasant getting so, you know, But yeah Rebecca I take I mean like God, I just shot a wedding on Fourth of July weekend. Somebody called and asked me to Second shoot. There's nothing worse for back in the being at a wedding that you're second shooting and realizing about Midway through the wedding that that bride had inquired with you and because it was a holiday weekend you jacked up your prices and then here you are still at their wedding now. aching second shooter pay instead of first shooter pay Why did you say? Yes that that should have been a hard now? Because I needed him to Second shoot for me for wedding. I have coming up and he was like, yeah, I'll second shoot for you. But you have to second sheet this wedding with me. That was like fine. Damn it Rebecca. I'm just gonna say it. Have you considered Maybe? Maybe this photographer you're working with isn't a piss poor person. Have you considered maybe that religious groom hit up a strip club right before his wedding. Maybe that was stripper glitter all over the religious groom. Maybe if she wasn't just making a joke. Maybe that was a passive aggressive way for her to say look. I know I was stripping last night and you were there watching me strip because I assume she's also a stripper and that's how she knew to make the joke. Maybe is actually a passive-aggressive little jab at the Grimm. Have you considered that maybe Grandma's not standing correctly? Maybe she's faking the osteoporosis. Maybe she could stand up straight. Have you have you considered that maybe maybe her marriage drama is more important than taking photos during a wedding because that's that's her life. That's without her marriage. She's nothing which is why she had to throw. Her ring at her spouse because it was symbolic of everything that she had and she was just she wasn't so much throwing it at him as giving it to him as a symbol of how much she loved him and how much she needed him in her life. Have you thought about these things Rebecca because I'm thinking about them now and I think yeah, maybe hashtag suck it up buttercup. Maybe you need to get get in the game Rebecca. Have you considered throwing? That here significance. Gosh, don't please don't think that brokeback. Please don't go to jail because what I guess could I wonder if you use something like honey book or 17 hats something like that for your clients. And if you do have you thought about maybe using something like that for your photographers the second shoot for perhaps laying out some some coverage options with Within their selection process so you have like, you know, your standard second shooting hourly rate or whatever they can punch in however many hours or maybe you do a day rate situation and then have some beautiful Alec our add-on options like, you know personal marriage therapist. Look, I know I know 50 bucks. I know you hired me Dustin the second shape with you, but and here's my right. It's just five hundred dollars for the whole day and that is Limited coverage but I'm just going to tell you Dustin. I've been working with a lot of primary Shooters and I feel like the correct amount of coverage for me is to really show up about 10 minutes before the ceremony and then immediately after the ceremony I peace out because you don't need two angles, you know for all the Porsches that you're doing anyway, and so it's really not it's really a waste of your time if I'm there in annoying you. And bugging you and so I just peace out then I show back up at the reception after you've done the detail shots and I just let him talk a picture. Yeah, a little intoxicated. Maybe it depends if there's a good bar around or if the reception itself as a good bar. I might be there before then just you know at cocktail hour with the guests. And so I'm just going to show up and you know, take a few photos on 10. In that in that block good good blog content for you getting that first a nose of it is just getting those toes. You know what we're talking about here and then, you know really after like all the the formal dances are done like you don't need to photographers there for the rest of the night. So then I just take off and so like with the unlimited package with me that is the kind of coverage you can expect for you know, just five hundred dollars on a wedding day but not negotiable. For an additional $500. I'll stay the entire day. I'll come before you even get there. I won't take pictures but I'll be there we should really be approaching all our second shooting jobs the same way. We approach all of our clients in the same way that we talk to our kind to say. I know I was jumping down on this. I'm I'm yes, I handing you this whole thing has been me yet. Sandy near idea. Come on Dustin. Let's do it. Yeah. So Stephen and I are excited to roll out the second shooter Academy. We're going to teach you how to be the best second Shooters in the world. But first you have to buy her introductory course to third shooters. You know Rebecca I get it to we like the Trump supporter elopement thing and how sometimes you just gotta take that money. You know what I'm talking about. And you know, if you feel bad about taking that money from your Trump supporter friend, you can always donate that money to anyone anyone running against Trump. I would recommend anyone but Jeff and I have worked with people who we have different political feelings from we've worked with people who have how do I say this it doesn't you remember when we went to Sierra Leone together and we came back. I posted a photo to my thing and a little quote. Somebody said while we were there. He just asked if like what I believed in religiously and I was like, I'm a Christian. He's like, I'm a Muslim we believe in you know, the same God, isn't that awesome Steve and so I just I posted a photo of him and I posted that conversation. Yeah. So of a previous groom Jen and I had wrote to tell me I was going to hell Because I posted a direct quote from somebody we met in Sierra Leone what? Yeah, so sometimes you work with people who just like, you know, where do they reference social media in the Bible? Yeah. I don't know if it's like it's wrong the Futures book. I don't know. I've only on Facebook to tell you you shouldn't be on Facebook. It's my calling. See a Jehovah's Witness. No. No, he's not. Interesting. Remember Jen and I were real involved with crew and like half of the wedding's we shoot our people who are also real involved with crew and they were in college. Yeah. Yes is somebody's real involved with crew. So - yeah, shout out to crew II mean I met Jen because it grew so multiple shouts out to crew like yeah, I would not be married to my awesome life if it wasn't for them. So Yeah, whatever. They put in that Kool-Aid man it I drink it softens up the ladies. Let's say that whoa. Whoa that the men I'm the soft one in this relationship. Yeah. No, I mean you got bills to pay you got you got toys to buy so sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and Blow your head off. Mmm. That means be sure. She was a photographer. You don't really want to shoot with if it's what I do with Destiny of all the time. That's right. That's right. You do fight. Grin. Take it back. Take it speaking of yeah. That's that Ulysses Del Toro ask a question on our very own Facebook group. Is anyone else used UV filters? I literally just got this lens this And it happened to come with a you the filter that I'm so happy I decided to use I don't use UV filters on any of my glass but this but this little scare might have changed my mind, or maybe I'm overreacting. Question and Ulysses included a photo of if you filter that was busted to Hell shattered shattered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're overreacting Lizzy's just good. Throw it out there. I don't use UV filters on any of my lenses. Do you use UV filters on anything? Why would I want to take you know, what Kitty glass and put shitty glass over the top of my good glass. It's like hey, there's there's a window here and it's covered in dirt and grime or I can go out the door and you know shoot from outside and it's just the camera and you know my subject where I can go inside and shoot through this shitty window covered in dirt and when you put a UV filter on it's like you're just shooting through a shitty window covered in dirt all the time. Unless of course you buy a really high quality UV filter from wedding hangover.com store / not ever going to happen. Mmm. That's the one. Yeah, you can buy all of our products there. So I think we answered that one. Let's move on teak hedge. No. No Dustin. Is he overreacting come on, he's reacting poorly little over in my opinion. First of all Ulysses. It sounds like if this question is better would be better handled in an anger management group. Yeah, maybe if you didn't throw your lens over don't bash their lenses. around maybe if you took care of your equipment Ulysses. Well, I think we just lost a patreon supporter. It's crazy. It's okay anything to do with Ulysses gets cut for the patreon episodes. All right. I don't use UV filters just general rule when they shatter and they're up against like your lens like that. You have a more chance of like scratching your lens from the glass of the UV filter shattering but getting stuck on your loan and it getting stuck on your lines. Then you do if like you hit your lens and there's no UV filter there because the glass on your lens is incredibly tough and the glass I'm UV filters isn't very tough. So I mean to each their own like if you really Use UV filters like go for it. But like the it's a trade-off and it's not like a clear benefit. It's not something that you're clearly winning if you have one on or losing if you don't always want to do a bunch of Vaseline on the front of your lens Ulysses, give it that saw way anytime you like rub up against a wall or like slips out of your hands. It's just going to keep on sliding that way. It doesn't really have a lot of impact. It's really Lube up the front. Of that lens so doesn't next question go into a random Facebook group a random person named Luke asked in a random Facebook group. Definitely not somebody who you know or reference on this podcast all the time and then I cut out of the podcast for those that travel for weddings. Do you have any sort of contingency clause in your contract a couple is booking a room under the resort package for myself and my second and also likely booking the flights. I'm just wondering if I should include a cause stipulating two nights before and the night of the wedding for lodging. For example. Let's just say Luke and I from this random group had words as to what I'm not getting to go to this wedding in Mexico. What like I'm sorry. What who who's going to this wedding in Mexico? He's taking his wife. Can you believe it? He clearly said his second shooter here, which is his wife, but you've told me multiple times. She doesn't shoot video. Well when it comes to going to Mexico, apparently, she's okay with it. So Luke, you should have a contingency clause in your contract stating that you're not going to bring Dustin with you to Mexico. Yeah, that's what you really need to look out for here Luke. How much did Dustin yell at you? That's what I want to know. Hey, hey Luke, did Dustin yell at you as much as you yelled at him when he took not you to Sierra Leone. Yeah, it is opportunity. No, you asked him before me. It was between you him and Aaron and you made the worst decision of your life. And you happen to be the only one that said yes. I don't need to talk to my family about it. I don't need to talk to my wife. She supports me. So doesn't you just got back from a wedding to Mexico? What would you say contingency Clause wise in your contract to Luke who you definitely don't know from a random Facebook group. So we're talking about contingency. Are we speaking specifically about just like travel in general or are we talking like, I mean that was a huge fear of mine was getting sick and got I got sick at the wedding I was doing and there's like nothing I could do but suck it up and just deal with it. Hashtag suck it up buttercup. Hmm. You heard it here first, but um, Yeah, I mean I definitely recommend if you're doing any kind of travel wedding regardless of whether it be Mexico or Canada or you know, Wisconsin you always go a day day and a half early just to be precautious with flights flights are really unreliable right now, especially in these busy travel months. So it's just always better to be safe than sorry. But then what you losing out on is possibility of having to Fork over a little bit for a hotel for a couple extra days. I mean if you can try and get that out of the couple awesome, you know, if not, you know you then have two ways the travel opportunity outweigh the cost of the extra travel headache so that you don't have to have a butt hole the size of a is a so Jen and I have been traveling more for weddings and engagements in the last year's and we we have a we've made sure with every single one of our clients that we they pay for us to be there for like two days before the wedding just like Luke saying and then the night of the wedding as well because We don't want to travel somewhere and have to fly out as soon as the wedding's over and we're not going to pay this day on our dime when they're the ones who are like want us there and our pain for us to be there like so I would say yeah, you should have something in your contract about this. I don't know that I'd call it a contingency claws like oh this has to happen. And if it doesn't like the other thing doesn't happen. I just say but in your contract, hey for Destination weddings, I do. Wire a room for two nights before and the night Dusty event with Dustin now, it doesn't save it doesn't actually says with Luke's wife. She seems like a real my officer to write the contract contingency clause for him when he saw that it included with Dustin very big very bold all over it. I don't think he used it. I don't think he used it. Yeah, now that's crazy. Looks like you made a great decision. I mean, let's just say that the film he shot well in San Diego with me turned out masterful beautiful Monster and award-winning. Yeah, and that could be the case with this wedding in Mexico. I'm on I have sandals. I'm great with sunscreen. I don't burn easily. Yeah not tell me more tell me more. I just can't drink the water. Yeah, that seems to be my downfall. Yeah, maybe Luke knew that about you and that's why he decided to take someone else. Yeah could be could be because they could share one bed, but I said I could I could you know match. Thanks for listening to another episode of the wedding photo hangover podcast with Dustin and Steve. If you want to help us out jump on iTunes or Stitcher and leave us a five-star review. If you want to connect you can find us on Facebook and Instagram at wedding photo hangover or on Twitter at wed. Pick hangover Dustin my man. 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And then when you guys feel really good you give us more money and then it's just this Perpetual circle of feeling good and feeling good. Yeah, you get you guys get it get it, right. We're gonna make you feel so good. You know, it's I mean, it's like the Dollar Shave Club, which is not quite thanks for listening. We'll see you next time your head is pounding your limbs feel like dead weight and your entire being aches for the sweet Embrace of death. That's right next Sunday. To you shoot another when the wedding. I'm pom pom doesn't he can't get in the weeds there at the end. It sounds like you're a little offended about this whole thing with Luke. Oh, no not offended downright upset but not offended. Okay. Okay that as long as that's all it is just downright upset the opposite of defended. Nobody would ever get upset because there's are invented all originally his I think and Luke if you're listening to this and I'm totally misremembering this Forgive me, but originally his wife was going to do the photo and then I was going to get to go and shoot the video with him. But they're like, we're only getting one to be choosing and Luke and his wife choosing you in the bed with them. Is that it? No, they ended up choosing somebody else to do the photo. Damn son. Just as been look Saint Luke's wife. I was last here. Is that what I'm here? I could be mixing up two different wedding situations. You know, what I would give the same advice to Luke's wife as I gave to you which is if they choose not to go with you and go with someone else then you don't go and second shoot for somebody else at the wedding. Yep. That could be a little awkward. Hey the person that you're second shooting for that the bride turned you down and then hire them is that Luke. No. No that was that wedding a couple weeks ago, but now I was weird because I was shooting and I was thinking like because the photographer came from Indianapolis and I was thinking to myself like man, it was an Indian wedding. So it was like a multi-day affair. I was like gosh it's you know, he was doing No and video, so he hired me to help him with the photo side. So he could kind of more focus on the video side and I was just thinking gosh is just like a lot they wanted him for like 14 hours on the wedding day and I only did like I did like ten of those and it was a Midway through that like all of a sudden the bridesmaid was talking to me the maid of honor and her voice clicked in my head. I was like, I remember that voice Voice I remember this person who called me inquiring about a wedding that was multiple days with a shed like a thick accent. So I was I had trouble kind of understanding what she was after and so I try to give her, you know, the pricing that the best way I could and it just never I guess clicks because I wanted I wasn't willing to discount because was Fourth of July weekend. That sucks man. I do anything for the July weekend. The Nia ended up shooting a Fourth of July wedding with Luke and then Fourth of July wedding weekend with this guy from Indy looks like gosh. One of the week off and end up shooting two weddings. Nice working at that's what I'm talking about in that money Rebecca Elliott style. You should wedding this weekend. No, nobody's this weekend. I'm shooting a wedding. It was supposed to be a heat advisory. It's an outdoor Barn situation. Yeah, this weekend's gonna be real hot. It's going to be terrible. Yeah, it's gonna be brutal. I'm surprised the bride hasn't text me yet. Just being like we're he's listening. No not canceling it, but I could just see this particular bride being like so what do we do Dustin? If you know it's like a hundred degrees you move the wedding to a waterpark done everybody in the wave pool. I was going to pitch the idea of just a little kiddie pools for everybody and everybody just like sits in these little pools of water ice water for the outdoor ceremony. Nice. And then yeah, it's totally Totally different retro-themed everybody's in like, you know, that would work is someone guys going to be pounding beers and you know, he's going to sit in that kiddie pool and just be like, oh man. This is a toilet. Basically. Hey can't smell my photos. At least it's his own kiddie pool. Like you didn't get a lazy river situation going on which would be so much better. Everybody's just flowing on tubes watching the bride and groom get married. Why is this not a thing that's happening regularly. So we'll put you may remember those little scooter things that we had in gym class where you would Scoot around the gymnasium where you like to handle bar like kneeboard say Skid Row like you're on your knees and then there's like four wheels like you like a mechanic would use to like slide under a car. I remember those I thought maybe you're talking about the ones that you sat on and like you put your feet unlike the handlebars and then like to make it go forward you had to like twist the handle bars back and forth. Now you went to a rich kid School. See we didn't have the fancy things like that. We had the little like piece of plastic with I think it was literally a lunch tray and then it would have like four wheels on the bottom and they like set go scoot around the gym my mom taught at the school and we used to go in on the weekends. We would sometimes play with all that stuff from the gymnasium and then one year somebody broke something not not one of us kids, but somebody else's kids and then sounds like you want a clear conscience that gymnasium was locked up after that. We can't we can The cool scooters out unless the gym teacher was they're also working on a weekend man. Sad rough life being you. Yeah, but anyways, put those underneath little kiddie pools and then that people just like have people that push those around in a circle. So it's like a lazy river. But it's not. Yeah, it's like a personal Lazy River maybe just design a giant treadmill sort of thing and just put the kiddie pools on the treadmill and then nobody has to worry about like pushing or anything. It's just a motorized thing and just goes around but the water isn't flowing through the whole thing. Everybody has their own individual water / toilet. There you go. We should stop this doesn't have a great night tonight. Good night. 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So I'm going to refer to a few of them in the episode today, but we are going to be talking all things and do I'm just feel like I'm excited and I feel relaxed and I'm ready to the best up lamb and I'm gonna go downtown. the river So if you're listening In America, which we know some of you are which is quite cool isn't it International and all that? You might be thinking what the heck is a Hindu we're talking bachelorette party if you're in America, so we're going to try and cover off the types of Hindus that you can have who to invite another dreaded guest list that you've got to come up with how to control the money and just tips in general for planning a successful Hindu so it might be that if you're a bride who's not planning her own Hindu send a link to this. Episode 2 your bridesmaids maid of honor whoever it is that might be setting everything up for you. Okeydoke. Should we start with our own Hindus? They were quite different to each other's well a yeah, so tell us about yours first and then I'll tell you about mine. So my wedding was quite last minute in the end, which meant that by Hindu is relatively last minute as well. So there wasn't I mean even if the thought had been there to do, you know, like a weekend away or died just wouldn't really have been the time scales. To do it and organize the whole thing. Yeah, and I was very conscious that because I wedding was last minute people had sort of like change our plans in Ohio cases to to make it physically and I as we know not like a massive fan of huge groups of people young something. Yes makes sense. Yeah. I don't never involve myself like some really antisocial person, but for me, it was like One of my best friend's, you know, I see what all the time to all get together and have a nice time that's not massively pressured. You haven't got this very like detailed schedule because again, I'm not that type of person either so then kind of Hindu just wouldn't obviously representational of me. Yeah 1 o'clock. We are doing cocktail hitting 230. We're going to learn the entire routine to Beyonce. It's just not yeah. Yeah, I'd probably be get just get confused anyway, and be dressed as Beyonce don't care cuts hair like 5:30 so fancy. So yeah, that wouldn't have worked. So we just organized a weekend in London Yeah, ironic down there a lot now because of my job but back then I wasn't so it was just going to be a weekend do some shopping have a fancy afternoon tea because who doesn't love a scones. Oh it was Scone scone. Yeah go out for some drinks. Yeah, let's go out for a nice food. No particular theme I called it the Glamorous tool. Yes. Just thought everyone should have an excuse to wear their favorite outfit and some sequins if they wanted to. Yeah, and it was fairly laid-back I'd say and did you have a lot to do with the planning of it then I said what I wanted to do. Okay, so in terms of like low Location and the kind of things that I wanted. Yeah wasn't really down with having a butler in the buff. Yeah, for example, I just be there again like hiding in a Cupboard having a cocktail what everyone else enjoy you'll drift off Beyond so still just as Bill said I but my sister really helped a lot with it. Yeah at the time in terms of sort of the the accommodation and you know the money I suspect was a big dressy. But yeah, so that was really good for me because with planning a wedding in such a short time I already She had quite a lot of my player, you know, I obviously enjoyed it. I think this still though no matter who you are. If it's your hand do for me at the back of your minds of hype everyone like I hope everyone's having a good time. Yeah. Yeah think they are. Yeah. I'm not saying I thought that I was there every five minutes thinking that yeah, but you know, I was there. Yeah. Well, these people are here for you me and 5c cost of quite a lot of money, even though we try to keep costs down there still a cost implication there. Yeah, I put together. Whether my own little goodie bag for everybody. That's an added myself. Yeah, that's a cute which included a Mac lipstick fancy false lashes. Oh, I don't think so because we're going to talk a little bit later about creating Hindu kits for the hens. In attendance, but actually it's nice that you create something for everybody else. Yes. Yeah, you know like then that the henews organizing it doing it for everyone. Actually, that's really sweet kids say that I really appreciate that you've made this effort to come exactly this way exactly and it was just an excuse for me to go to the mat clouds or was it like worse? Hi-yah. I'd like to buy eight all in the same color. Thanks. It's really got to you. How many times I think it was 10? Okay 10 Channel mine. That's a nice name. Number isn't it a manageable number of people? Yeah. Yeah, you can fit something in for everybody suits everybody at that sort of level. Yeah. Yeah tons an island. One of my best friends at the time was living in Hong Kong and she was already traveling all the way from Hong Kong of my wedding. So I wouldn't write and ask her like oh, yeah. Also, could you think of a drink just for the weekend as well? And my other one either very good friends. It was her sisters hen do oh, right, so I didn't really Like I say just miss your sister send buddy, but never mind I'm day. I would really appreciate it. But I think as well any weekend that you pick for anyone somebody somewhere is going to have something else on of course and especially like me if you are so restricted on when I was available to go on my own and do and you got anything else so, you know, there was that if you're planning something last minute. Yeah, you have to accept that perhaps people that you really would like to have in their circumstances dictate than that can't happen. Yeah, true. Mine was polar opposite of yours. I barely knew anything about it. I did know that we were going tomorrow Bayer. Whoo, and I just about knew who was coming. I think I know the guest list which included my mom and also she was the Rave east of everybody literally they will last one up every single night unreal. But yeah, and and so I didn't have anything to do with it. Really. I didn't know what we do when we got there or but then I'm quite up for that element of surprise and that hole. Organizing of things and looking things it's just I've mentioned before in the podcast is just not my bag. Like I don't like doing that. So I was very happy that my bridesmaids took the whole thing and just told me what I needed to pay and where I needed to be and when and so it for me because I knew what they would do would be. Yeah, you knew that they knew well enough. Yeah, that is something that you would enjoy. Yeah, and it was great and it didn't anticipate I think there was 12 of us in the end maybe 13, and I didn't anticipate that. There would be that many people I figured we're going to My Bae are we went in June? Yes before like school holidays hit I still know people got trying to forward Flight Support accommodation afford your spending when you're there because you know, obviously we did the whole Nikki Beach and all those things where you gotta spend money. So I didn't anticipate that that many people so I was really surprised. I thought I might have a handful maybe five or six of us. Yeah. It was great. So there was 12 or 13 of us and obviously like saying to you too Mom, but that's fine. She's still one of the girls. Yeah, it was totally different and was kind of nice because I've got to have a girly weekend away with all my best mates, which I hadn't had for ages. It seemed like ages since we've done it. So it was it was a great excuse. Yeah. Yeah, and it didn't it was obviously all about me and they did they did focus on me, but it was still very much everyone just having a holiday. Yeah, and it was really really nice and we sunbathe and we drank cocktails and although there was a couple of things that have been organized. It was so chilled. Yeah, I realized Swine down. Yeah an escape from the planning. Yeah and all of that side of it which was probably the biggest benefit of getting on a plane and leaving and going far away. Yeah, I couldn't do any planning. I couldn't be I wasn't contactable really and you know found it easier to cut myself off. Yeah from anything and I think that's what like almost like we're starting at the end. It's like there's no point in you having a Hindu if you feel that you want if you have to let him do it ourselves on at all. That's amazing that and if you do it doesn't have It is all singing all dancing, please everyone massive like one-upmanship because apparently that's a thing like if you went on a you know and do and it was three days in Barcelona the next one to be five days in yeah, wherever one of your hot if you're having a five-day and durrani are welcome. We will just FYI your backpack on it. Yeah, how do you go about deciding who you're going to invite? It's a question we talked about when it comes to the wedding, but it's equally as important for the Hindu because some people have loads of groups of friends. Some people don't some people only have a handful of friends that they know they're going to want to share this experience with if you've got lots of family as well. It's how do you decide who to invite because you could end up with like, you're like you're guess this for your wedding you could end up with 40 people in family around someplace. Yeah, you know, yeah. So how do you accommodate a Hindu for that number of people it's very very tricky and perhaps if you get to a situation where I actually do what I feel that I want to invite All these people but logistically, how's that possible? How are they all going to be available on the same weekend? Is that realistic because it's also the demographic of weddings change. Yes, everyone's individual circumstances different. So you might be somebody for example where you're one of the last in your friendship group to get married. Yeah, so you may have already been on x amount of vendors already some of your friends might now have children. Yes. So there's the whole like child care if you're planning on I'm going away for a long weekend. Yeah, I know that the logistics of a couple who has a couple yes as friends. Yes, it's cause issues before because if you are planning on going on your hand do the same weekend as your future husband is on a stag do it is a both people away. I know that happened on my sister's over lot of her friends have got kids, right so they decided to have different weekends so that they could coordinate your the childcare because a lot of her friends have already got kids. Yeah, and so, you know, you've got that to make as a consideration. So why not organized to yes and everyone list is going what I mean as in organized. Yeah get someone else to organize it and make each thing as simple and straightforward as possible. So it might be one of them is going away for the weekend, but perhaps just keeps the UK and the other hand do is a night out locally to you and your favorite bar or never bore lifelike. The end because obviously, you know, I wanted to share the experience with Anthony's mom and any of his other family members and wanted to be involved as well. So we did, you know, the group of friends we did the Marbella and then we had just a night out in Birmingham which was my city back. Then with other members of my family members of Anthony's Family and the friends that just couldn't make more Bayer. You know, I wanted to share it with all my close friends, but obviously understood not all of them could make that And so we literally went out for a meal great and we just had a night out dancing and it was brilliant. So even if that's all you do that can be enough. Yeah well and if you've got a split between family and friends just do to really lovely nights. Yeah, it's it can be done. You don't have to spend a load of money and you don't have to have this big hoo-ha like we were just saying, yeah, if you've got loads of people that you want to do it with just separate it out and get by keeping it simple. It's something you can you know organic let your bridesmaid organize what on and then if you Want to do one with your family if they can all do it together that's simple and straightforward to you to sort yourself a nice meal a couple of glasses of champagne and everyone's just so happy to be there celebrating with you. Exactly and I re I really enjoyed that mini Hindu if you like it was lovely and it was with special people and great memories and I've got a friend who had to one was a cut. I didn't go to the one that was abroad but I went to the one that was in also Birmingham actually. Yeah, and she actually Said that she had more fun really on the one that was at her because the one of which I'm sure she had a great time. Yeah, I think there was so much pressure and it was quite to go away for the weekend. Obviously. We spent a lot of time at the airport getting on a plane and getting on your don't you so there was all of that then there was like the logistics of being in a place that you don't know. Yeah as well like nobody knew it. Yeah, so actually she didn't feel that any of that pressure. Yeah. Yeah that make them all of her friends could make it too. The local yet. I think it was actually because I was there but that aside you made with but ya know and she said like lashing out of the Simplicity of the time because I could just relax and let my hair down and everyone was there that I wanted to be there. And yeah, so again don't feel the pressure for the yacht. Yeah. Yeah, exactly and just invite those people who you really want to have there and just be aware like Charlotte mentioned. Earlier on not everybody will be able to make it for one reason or another don't take offense. It's not like they're going to be not making it on purpose you would hope but people sometimes just can't do it or it's just not their bag or you got you got to talk about the many aspects of it that are because exactly Rising friendship groups. A lot of people got married at the same time. Yeah, so you might have friends, you know, their system might be getting married their cousin three of their other friends. Yeah, they might have It's weddings you that year so during that time affording. It happens does we have those weddings are abroad. Yeah, they've got you know six of the Hindus to go to and it doesn't mean that yours is an important. Yeah, it just means that where does it stop yet? Like with how much it's costing lutely. Yeah, I think you know again like have the Hindu that you want but do you appreciate that? Not everybody? Yeah. I might have the disposable income that you do either. Absolutely. Okay, so hopefully we've covered off a few tips for your Guest list there and how to separate up friends and family and a few ideas for that. What I want to move on to now is tips for the organizer. So if you are the person who is organizing it be the bride or the maid of honor or the bridesmaid or the best mate or whoever it is. Hopefully these tips will help you to organize successful hen do the first of all we need to start with communication because everything needs to be well clear otherwise wires get crossed people. Confused no one knows you were wrong about everything needs to be crystal clear. And one of the best ways to communicate clearly with all the other hens is to have a sidekick to have somebody else who's willing to sort of help you with the organizing. Don't take the task on yourself. You need to make sure that whatever you're sending to everybody else is easily understood. So you need someone to run it past ideas. You need to run past the peak with that person because you don't want to be giving 15 ideas out to a group of 30 girls because you're never going to get an answer. And it just be a nightmare. Yeah, so get yourself a sidekick who can help you with decision-making and also, you know can help you make phone calls and look things and keep tabs on everything. It's just it's a big task to organize just looking at hotels. Next up is this you're not familiar with the area. I mean, obviously, you know, Airbnb is great now, isn't it? Yeah, but actually is the space, right? Yeah, and how many people you've got. Is it easy? I don't know if you got a book like x amount of different apartments. They all accessible with each other. Yeah, it's just somebody to help you with that like me activity. The second thing I would say is make sure you create deadlines and that you stick to them. I think the only way to survive Hindu planning is to be quite ruthless with that. You've got to have deadlines because you're going to end up in a pocket or you know, people have got to pay their deposit by a certain day. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's you can't really Pander to slow respond. You need to know people are reading their emails and they're going to respond because as you just cannot get anything sorted and I think the best way to probably do that as you get the bride to sort out her guest list and then you get contact details from the bride. What's that? Oh, yes everyone on there interestingly. I think set up a WhatsApp group, but I would suggest to send your main communication via email, but use the WhatsApp group to announce that an email has been sent. Oh God. I totally agree with me is nothing. There's nothing worse than everyone get chatting on a WhatsApp group. Exactly and that's what you To avoid and then and they are I think it's nonsense. I think I haven't checked my messages. Now, I can see that I've got 57 or some messages and I think maybe someone sent their Account Details somewhere and like me no, no that so only use the WhatsApp group to say check your email Come Back to Me by x y and also apparently there's a function on WhatsApp you can use that's called broadcast. So actually you can send out a message but the responses come back only to you. Okay, so that's interesting. So nobody else gets bombarded with instant green. You have several messages. Yeah, so that's an interesting thing that perhaps you could use but I would say everyone's got an email address it personal or work. We've all got one. So use your WhatsApp to announce an email and then hopefully you're going to get swift reply from people next. I want to talk about the initial communication and what it should entail. So before you can go to anyone with any information you really need to try and get as much detail as you can before you tell anybody about any of the plans so as much information about the plans as possible. So that when you go to the group and say okay, this is what we think the plan is. This is how much we estimate is going to cost. Yes. You can't look a figure out of the air you need to get as close to figures as you possibly can and everyone is there in night saying to a group of people half of which you as the organizer might not know. Oh, yeah, depending on the Dynamics of your friends friendship group. Yeah is because like, yeah, we're going to go to Edinburgh the weekend. Yeah. I didn't who's coming. Okay. Is it now? Yes, it may like yeah, we staying at five-star spa resort exactly. Are we staying at someone's house that you know like yeah, you've really got a yeah do your research before you approach the group? Absolutely so you can give them a very very close estimate of what it's going to cost them. So you need to go with like you say a rough date of when it is a month perhaps and then you need to go with approximate cost for accommodation. Obviously, you can save everybody's in it's going to cost around. And XYZ, if a few people can't make it obviously the price will adjust accordingly, but this is a base to start with which won't be a million miles out. It might mean everyone as pay an extra 20 quid or whatever. It might be go with all that and then you're going to get such a better response back from people and in that initial communication as well. I would say the best way to gauge the best date for people is to set up a doodle but to Doodle, you know, a dude or my NTT group you doodle if you set up a doodle you go to do.com you put in a list of dates. The bride is given you that she is available. Then you send that link to each person and they are registered on the doodle poll. They go on they select which dates work for them and then doodle will tell you which is the best date that can accommodate most people job done. You don't have to wait for people to embrace a oh, I can do this this and then someone comes back as well. I can't do this which gets very confusing because who can and can't do things is mind-boggling so dude, or does it all for you so that you can then see? Okay. I've sent out 15 emails 10 people can do the same. Same date. So that's the date. We've got to go really just makes it so much easier to figure out what date works best and it goes back into that thing of just be aware that not everyone's going to be able to do well start the same day the more people the less likely it is that I could all come but I mean in that instance you can go back to those five people and say this date works the best you said, you can't make any can you make any alliances or changes because that's going to be the best date for every one of them, you know type of thing. So once everyone comes back with a doodle dates and they've let you know that they're up for it and they can afford the costs you Communication then should be to confirm the pricing that you can at that point accommodation. You should know by then how much of flights going to cost hopefully depending on when you were organizing it. You'll know if the flights have been released or not activity cost anything that you can give them. That's a definite that you need to send out because again, if you like me, I don't know I keep saying a weekend away and out of it if that's what you do so we can write an edible, you know, there's gonna be accommodation course, you know, there's only a flight involved, you know, there's gonna be spending money for drinks and food. Yes. However, if the organizer plans on lots of activities that can become quite expensive. Yeah, so you need again to make the guests. Oh, look, there's not any awkward sort of. All right. Okay. Well, I you know, I'd allocated x amount of budget for this but actually now it's going to cost me an extra hundred quid what will you do with node and this than that, you know this special basket weaving calls that we're going to go on. Making a flower crown and and you know, it's easy. It's easy to tell people what to expect to spend. I organized a Hindu in Barcelona and obviously you have the base prices for a rough price for a flight from this airport or this airport. This is how much the accommodation is going to do some water sports activities. That's how much that is and then we're going to go for some meals saying that is fine. But people like to know how much is a meal going to cost me. It's quite simple just get the menu and send it to them and then they can sort of work out. Out what they think they might like to eat. I mean, I know that's quite in-depth but people need to budget for things don't know if you know, this could be an additional holiday for somebody in that year. Yeah sure as much information. You can give them to be prepared to save, you know, it's going to be way welcomed rather than God. She's giving me too much stuff like you want to know what you need to save. Ya talking about saving the money. So take the money that is required upfront so deposits for accommodation all those things that you need to have. I appreciate people have to maybe save For comedy can't necessarily pay it all up front. I mean if they can then better because you're definitely not going to be left out of pocket. But if they can't you need to set up a way of saving everyone saving the money in the same pot. So I know a lot of people will set up a separate bank account if they're organized and Hindu it figure out how much these things are going to cost and then each hen will send 40 quid a month that bank account. Ok to save that money just have to obviously trust that people are going to send you for even a month. That's when it gets tricky. Especially with people you don't know you know, like if if you going away with your best mate and she's meant to send your 40 quid a month. Do you like you haven't sent it yet? Come on, but if it's Jill that you've never met it's very difficult to say, I'm sorry Jill. Just let me know you now owe me 80 pound and we're not good at talking about money. Are we going now, you know were very shy when it comes to a not Brazen when it comes to saying you owe me some money. So I guess it depends on the type of person you are whether you ask for the full amount by a deadline. Well, which is why I'm making a player as clear as you can. Yeah from the outset set the deadlines. Yeah, it's you know, people have to take responsibility for themselves. Yeah, don't they absolute but you know, I wouldn't expect somebody to constantly be reminding me that I needed to pay. Yeah, because I'm a guest on that person's hand do and I've been invited. Yeah and to a certain extent solubility self out. Well, yeah, and the thing is you need people to be like that because otherwise it falls out of if you are the organizer nine times out of ten you will End up putting more money into the hen do than anybody else? Yeah, because you do something crops up in it's an extra 40 quid in you think we'll God mm. I don't know go and ask them again if they can all send me three pound fifty each. You know what I mean? Yeah. I realized that doesn't equate into 40 pounds. Yeah, which goes on with that if you have if you don't think you can do that then please don't say that you can honest but if they work out accommodation, so you've got two apartments and it's six people in each apartment then the cost of that apartment 300 It 50 creatures in it yet. But if you're not something I thank you, but one of those people drops out that's 50 Quid that they have to be split between the other five people. Yeah, so they've got a fighter Turner. Yeah, but those things can keep escalating exactly because then there's no part of an activity every time you say that you do something and then you change your mind and you drop out. Yeah that cost has then got to be covered by absolutely other people and it gets to a point where that's not fair. Yeah on anybody else after time and the bride Feels guilty because she feels like God that's my friend. They've totally let everybody down. I feel like I shouting yeah when you know, this is a troop ultimately this is a treat for the bride, you know you factor in things to do for the bride where she doesn't have to pay. She doesn't have to pay for any other dinners, you know, all you want to give the bride something but by people dropping out and be an unreliable and she misses out because you have to take claw that money back from somewhere. Yeah, so if you know and if you're in a sticky situation, you don't know you've just taken on a new job or you've got family, you know, I just can't commit. And don't then don't you're better to best not to you. Best to say I'd love to come. Yeah circumstances a bit difficult for me at the moment. But if I do decide to come I will let you know. I'll see you at that point if there's availability for me to join in with everything else or perhaps, you know, you can go along but you might have to put yourself a hotel room. That's it. Yeah, which is better then, you know, because then it's on you and the other people are organizing. It just don't have 24 hours in those more strongly. Don't commit if you can't From it exactly exactly. You can always join in like you've just said yeah at a later date just wanted to touch on a couple of other ways to help you control the money. So we just talked about perhaps you might set up a separate bank account get people to send you a monthly standing order to help everybody save up for what needs to be shelled out towards the end. Another way you can do it. If you don't want to go through the rigmarole of setting up a bank account is via Paypal. They now have PayPal money pools, which is basically a way that everyone gets invited to the pool pays their portion of money. In that way everyone can keep track of where the money's going as well. So it's toes Ace. Yes total transparency. So you can see that. I don't know Debbie's paid in 45-pound. Actually. It should have been 50 so debit will show Debbie you still owe five pound and then when that money gets taken out of PayPal there's a note left at this is going to pay for jet ski for the bride or whatever. It might be. So people can see where it's gone to so just think it's a really transparent way of yeah of managing it and then you don't physically have to ask people for money because they can see that they Still owe money into that pot. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, I think it's really good. Another great way of keeping track of costs is to get a cost splitting app. These are a great way of divvying out what everybody owes and keeping track of what everybody owes as well as what people have paid out. You can get different levels of the app. So some of them work really well for if you're going for a meal. So, you know, if you go out with your girlfriends, I was going to mention their yeah. Well, nobody knows what they are when you think everyone knows that they're paying and then I don't know I had this and I had this My workouts a penny but they forget about that massive dose of Sauvignon that they had and then yeah, so then you're left with the people who are left at the end of the night and to foot the bill. Yeah, they've got an extra 25 to quit debate night Larry I'm going from so yeah, then they work really well for that. So if you're going out on a local Hindu just going for a really lovely meal whoever's organizing. It doesn't have to deal with that at the end of the day. They can get a cost lifting up that's geared at meals but there are also apps that are geared at events. So the like on a big basically the same thing but on a bigger scale, so it's definitely worth checking those out for monitoring who's paid. What who owes who what's a similar to the PayPal thing really, but just virus a separate app and you're not actually paying money into the app, whereas with PayPal you are. Yeah, but go and check them out by all means anyway and see if they work for you a couple that I've had a look at that thing look really good our settle up split wise and one called split which is SPL I do. Split it but yeah, go and have a look at those and there are some of the recommendations if you go to the balance.com, there's loads of other recommendations on there. I just think those three looked the most straightforward and it is hopping with straightforward. Is it as I could go for a meal if you can't find in restaurants got a set menu, it's 20 quid for two courses. Yeah, and you know, everyone's got about 20 quid. Yeah Sanic a allocated drinks budget. Yeah, and it's almost better to have pay more than pay less so Luca. Then you've either got a lovely tip to give ya a hard-working waiting stuff. Yeah, I think I feel good service. Obviously that point comes in as well about when you're giving out your initial budget just give more of a budget than we overestimate overestimate because then when you're left with one at the end you either all agreed to put it in the drinks or food Kitty or everyone gets a bit of money back as spending money. So you're not losing anything by over budget in the last thing you want to do is under budget because don't forget them when you can always go back to yeah, but it had given it to you in the first place. So yes another tip. One of the best and days I went on was one of my best friend's flawlessly. It was relatively small and it was nine of us that one and we had a bit of a theme we had Miss World. Oh, which is obviously why I like it is it meant that we could it was a bit of a laugh but yeah didn't have to dress up in something ridiculous. I eat it or wear. It really nice dress, but it was also like a look a bit silly. Yeah, and we all had sashes I met you though. That didn't cost a lot. Yeah, we went to Brighton for the weekend before it was brilliant. We actually had them. I think it was I want to say it was like student accommodation. So it was a fairly basic and it yeah like cheesy. Yeah, but it's fine. Like it had everything you need. Like I had a social kitchen living room area so you could all gather together, but we all had our own bedroom and en suite father. There was no fighting over the shower or the plug for their driving. That's a great point to make actually if you want I can The NBA or whatever accommodation don't check the box messages with one bathroom. Yes. There's going to be you'll never get out. They'll never get out now and it was fairly laid-back like we had some like we like put some little things together for her like an album photos and that you know of all her friends. Yeah things but there wasn't any sort of like, right we have to play this game at 5:30 or anything like that. Yeah. We went to the beach one day did like so did watersports. I actually took the photos. I was the designated. You look great carry on. I mean, of course so far all Hindus you've mentioned it was just we had a great weather which helped but it was just intimate enough that you could speak to everybody. Yeah, nice. No lights of really really restrictive schedule. But there was still like organization things that we knew we wanted to do during days and everything like that and it was just just I have good memories of it. Yeah, that's yours is the main thing is and yeah, absolutely we've mentioned already about planet contingency, especially if you're going to be doing any sort of Hindu kits and things as well if you want to make I invite gifts or yeah like yeah what we're doing on the weekend. This is the plan here's a box of goodies that are required. Yeah, dude. These like you said, you know, you gave the eyelashes and all that sort of stuff. If you want to make little gift boxes for the hens in attendance. You're going to spend more than you originally plan. So you've really got to try and work out how much those things that are actually going to cost those things can end up tighten up to more than you imagined is my point. So just make sure you try and get a real good idea of what they're going to cost you so you don't end up putting your hand in your pocket again to foot the bill for these things exactly and like a wedding. It's those last minute things isn't as I like so say if you've got We've got a kitchen and a living area and that's where you kind of congregate to have pre-meal drinks. Whatever it is. Well things will go in that fridge absolutely so you've got to sort of budget for travel. Yes imitation the activities that you do the meal that you go out on but all those in between things that are you going to break loose exactly breakfast meal pre going out drink this skits. Yeah cake chocolate fingers to all that all of them. Absolutely that has to be paid for by someone you organized by someone put the way apartment by someone. Yeah, the way that we normally do that when we have a girls weekend away is we do an online shop. Yeah, so that way you can put everything in the basket that you think you're going to need all the booze or the food or the soft drinks everything and you'll get a total. So you'll know how much that stuff is going to cost what that in your budget and then you just get Tesco a card. Oh whoever it is to deliver it to you as you know the morning that you arrived and yeah, so it then absolutely At the right price and you've got all the food that you need there and then without to go shopping. No, it's been two hours of the Hindu, you know, hop into Aldi now, you know, don't waste your time in there just get its living that's a really good way of doing it and a money Savvy way of doing it. So you don't over charge or under charge. The only other thing I wanted to talk about when it comes to money is flights. So few people messaged me after my shout-out on stories about was doing this episode to say that they found that bit of the planning really tricky. Organizing people's flights for them and all of that sort of stuff. Whereas my reaction I think is the same as yours, which is like get people to book their own don't you be doing your own the last thing you want to do is wanna put someone's flight on your credit card and then all can't imagine at the end that you entered the oh name wrong. Yeah Anthony. Yeah. So my advice would be individuals responsibility. Absolutely. Yeah Our advice on that would be let people put their own flights. I mean people don't necessarily want to fly from the same airport got no as long as they know. General time that the bride is going to be at the destination and try and book a flight. Even if it's the same flight whenever a but for around that time or give them the accommodation details, let them sort their own way of getting there because it might you know, it might just work better for them to go from a different airport at a different time. If you like that you say they've got children perhaps or work commitments or I would just leave the flights up to the individual person on the subject of flights. Why don't we talk through a couple of ideas for Hindus abroad other types of things you can do for him do it. Broad, it's quite tricky one because obviously each country has its own benefits when it comes to Hindus. For example, you might do wine tasting in Italy but you're not necessarily going to be able to do the same sort of wine tasting in Bruges or wherever they've all got their different things that they're known for haven't they when I organized the Barcelona hand it was a little bit of a mix of me doing things independently and also using a Hindu organizing zation company. I don't know what you call them an agent. Yes. Thank you like a Hindu So I thought I'd an Airbnb which as we've already talked about it. So easy to do these days anywhere in the world, you can find somewhere to stay. I then arrange meals and Club entries which was again a really easy to do in a world of PayPal and Bank transfers and email and I organized some water sports and that's the bit that I did through like the Hindu agency because that's the only bit that I really struggled with everything else was relatively straightforward, but I found them very very helpful when it came to something specific that was more tricky to organize. There's a Loads of resources out there to help you plan trips in certain cities, you know, there's chili sauce or don't go hen.com. They will list the top x amount of activities for the city that you're looking at. No, it could be there are recommended Flamenco class for example, or wine tasting venues or whatever. It might be that's relevant to that country. So most of these Hindu organizing agency companies are set up so that each guest pays their own part as well. So again, it's one less thing for you to have to keep track of sure if you go viral. Of these agencies. Everyone is name and email gets listed and they pay off their bits as and when they can so really really just make the whole process very very straightforward, especially if you're trying to plan it in a city that you don't know you might never have been to Barcelona or Madrid or Prague or wherever before and that's what these companies are therefore to make your life. Hell of a lot easier Google is everybody's best friend when it comes to this, you know, you can even type in specific activities you might want to do and then I'm sure you'll get an endless list of places that you can go and do that. Yeah, even if you don't necessarily use an agency have a look at the websites because you might just get some ideas from there that you can let go and Implement yourself. Anyway, they're there for inspiration as well as booking. So, you know, like when I was saying like it's a last minute. Okay, perhaps I could have been option for me. Yeah, if I didn't something that was less simple. Yes, let's actually just get in touch with and yeah an agent and do it. Yeah, absolutely. The only thing to a piece of advice I'd give you if you're doing things. Dependently, like booking restaurants and what have you is to check TripAdvisor like you would with anything floor reviews also check their websites for the latest news latest images from inside so you can make sure that you've got an up-to-date idea of what it's like in there. So social media accounts salute thee all those things. So you've got an idea of what you're going to turn up to ya when I put the story out the other day about asking people to get in touch with Hindu stories that they've have to share one lovely lovely Rita came back and told told me about a skiing hen do that. She'd organized see people that I don't know why I was even idea and I think if I call her and is a border just the act of beach. Yes see sometime in the last of it and that's not necessarily everybody's bag. Is it now? They might still want to go abroad and do some work. Daniel said you might be having a winter wedding. So why not have a winter Pender? Well, yeah, why not and I asked her actually if it's obviously quite Niche like the bride needs to enjoy skiing. The Unicorn is skiing all day look nice. Chalet in Austria, but yes, so I asked her a little bit about if actually any of the other attendees need to be skiers for that sort of thing. You know, it's a short weekend. Do you need to know how to ski to be able to enjoy a ski holiday? And she said ideally like it's cool. If you've been skiing before you don't necessarily even have to ski on a skiing holiday. So if your bride loves skiing, but you are like God I can't think of anything worse like a way to spend a weekend. Sighs in but then you still can have a good time on a holiday like that because you know, generally these ski resort you can do legging exactly. I mean I'd be there. I'm sorry, but I've been there I've now chocolate when I follow this is it these Resorts have sparse champagne? Yeah. So, you know while your Brides off having the time of her life doing a black run, you know, you're getting tipsy and everyone is winning and have something to do with a booked it around a time when I know there's like some sort of table dancing. What I'm going to do is share a link with you to a write up that she did about it. So if you're interested in having a ski hot ski, hen do or it's a possibility go and read it because it's really good and it tells you all about the time of year and places to go for sort of lower budgets and things like that was really really interesting read. And also you need to see the personalized bubble hats so cute. So I'll put a link to that but that is another idea for yeah a bit of a different Hindu abroad Right. That's a broad. What about UK ideas for UK Hindus. We know the basic things don't with the standard things. We do the cocktail making all of those things which are great because George has to be able to dance routine. Yes, and I'm kind of obsessed for but I actually have dinner my family had a Hindu in Glasgow, which I love it's not my favorite thing in the whole world. Yeah, and we did that on one of the days and we went to a live music venue. Oh, no, it's a nice went to like went for real. This meal I think I'm so sorry. I keep getting carried away with selling item. What Leah went man, but sometimes do that. You have to listen to what actually, you know, we can obviously predict what we think would be a good one. So don't burn if you go on a yacht as I mentioned before if you go skiing with a oh absolutely is and I've never been skiing and snowboarding or have you again? Yeah. Anyway be any good. All right. Putting it out there. Okay, you know I guess like pants was last minute like me. But yes, so Beyonce dance routine go it was hilarious. We did a similar thing for one hand do in Edinburgh. Amazing cities have a Hindu FYI. We did Fame so we were all you know, uh, it's easy to you perform it at the wedding. Oh, we did not we did. Oh, well you've won up with that imagine doing that as well like a good month after you've even done the dance routine. Anyway, that's oh and also, You doing it when you were like had a few? Oh, but surely that's so there's a bite. I think there was 18 of us like doing some kind of formation. Like we literally thought it was really come dancing at that point. Everyone was all over the place. Nothing made Zen. Oh, that's the keeper going to the right that says we're going to the left and I think sometimes people obviously dancing is not everybody strong point. I think sometimes when these ideas are put forward people can think the last thing I want to do is learn a bloody dance routine like couldn't care less per Mega basically once you get into it records basket once you get into it and you can see everyone's having a good crack. There's someone else there that can't dance either. It's just fun, isn't it? Yeah, you know and you just make it up as you go along. It doesn't matter if you're doing it right or wrong. Nobody gives two Hoots know everyone's having a laugh and you would have had a glass of champers before you start. So, you know by that point you feel like you JLo exactly, you know, booty shaking all over the shop. It's amazing. So we've just said Glasgow and Edinburgh cities that we think Great Hindus. I'm trying to I want to talk about sort of country based ideas for Hindus now and one reader got in touch with me and I'm going to give any secrets away, but there's a group of girls headed for a weekend of horse riding flower crown making and a meal followed by a night out and loads of the typical games. I really liked this because I thought what's Rollins bit different like not heard of that before? Some people might be absolutely petrified. Of course. I think that's totally different and something you will remember and I wanted to bring is that because one of the games that they're going to be playing is really think it has a name per se but everybody buys a gift for the hen and the henna has to Guess Who the gift is from it doesn't have to be an expensive gift. Just something that is relevant to the Friendship. Yeah, and what the reader is saying is that it's a great game. If you've got a lot of people who don't know each other as the gift is usually followed. Exactly. It's followed by the hand telling the tale and telling the story about why that gift was given to them and it really is a nice Icebreaker and it means that everybody is reminiscing which makes you always feel warm and fuzzy doesn't it and just a really nice touch and I thought that sounds like although there's itinerary involved. It sounds laid-back. It sounds like they've got this everyone's going to be in this whatever it might be. I'm not giving anything away Treehouse comes Chalet come, you know. Place in the woods and I've got a bit of itinerary but they've got really thoughtful nice activities activities are planned that's going to incorporate everybody and not leave anybody out. So just sort of really nice nice idea to share with everybody another idea. I really like the idea of for more of a country based hen do is glamping now never being dumping. No, I mean I've been camping. I've been camping. It's not for me. Like the bugs I don't like the grass. I don't like that any of it and like the putting the tent up not know but with these Gump insights, you've got beds. You've got proper duvets. Ya got fires, you know to keep you wipe it. Thanks. That's the watch man all of that. And I just think it's something really different and you can you could almost turn it into a mini Festival, you know, you've got that thing of being able to go and explore in the day do yourself a little pub crawl around? The country pubs coming back toasting marshmallows on the bonfire. Share your stories just really varied range of activities that can be super laid back. That's it in this whole thing like expectation that you know, Hindi. Yeah, we stayed out to 4 a.m. Everyone had to form Court does not Everyone likes drinking. Yeah. No one wants to drink. Yeah, and these glamping site took the kid out. You know, they've got hot tubs. I've got all this sort of stuff. So you kind of can get a little bit of the best of everything. Yeah, and I love the idea of paps. You've gone out to a pub you had a lovely walk there. You had a great meal. You've had a lovely walk back. Everyone's feeling in good spirits. You've had a silent disco in the field with your best mates toasting marshmallows for you. Go to sleep in a yurt, which is like it's just Lovely isn't it? Yeah lovely fun idea of something different to do and I'm like I was saying about you know, these glands insights of got hot tubs and things these days they will also be able to arrange things on site for you there cocktail making the Gin tasting things the flower. Crown making their fully equipped to bring companies in to make sure that you get all these experience again you so it's taking the onus off whoever's doing the main organizing the lutely which makes it a nice experience for them. Yeah, definitely and I think that's all sort of comes in one package as well. But it's just that accommodation is different and it's not something you might ever do again now. It's just a really nice alternative. And can we talk about the farm one? We're going to talk about the farm thing I've ever heard. So I or either Charlotte or I write the notes for the podcast episodes and then we send them to each other and sometimes they're just so funny what you lock him up with just like absolutely cracker so reader so if you got in touch to say, I've organized all the usual activities dance classes a cocktail making class and live drawing but the best was a farm Adventure in Yorkshire running around herding sheep herding pigs and driving a tractor was one of the funniest things and everyone loved it. I made the dress code flannel shirts. So it was really easy to do. I mean, I mean, I would just have another hilarious. I just think it's such a good idea and thinking about it. I mean perhaps I would have been different when I was in my twenties because I'm not now but I mean, I'd much rather do that. I just think it's the than crack like to have a laugh then rather than you know have gonna get Syria then yeah, you know, whatever it is. Yeah, it's all about tailoring it to that bride's style isn't it in the things that she enjoys and if she's a bit of a My own and just loves to have a good laugh and do something a bit different while that for me absolutely hilarious. And actually that would suit one of my friends absolutely down to a tee. Unfortunately. She's already married, but I don't like it just say like Becky died in betweens of recording this podcast of in that weird little pause. You'll be hurting hen do a toast and we were like we should be doing this. I know how can we pull this off? Like what we honey Hindus with rock might watch watch this space. Pace and somehow we're going to organize this and then I'll invite some of you on it. It's got to be done. It's got to be doing us and it will be chasing pig from farms and all saying in a year acting like Beyonce. Yeah. Only one other thing. I want to mention about this sort of in the country idea is Center parcs. Okay now in my time of life when you mention center parcs, it's just kids holidays and full of kids doing kids things. But actually if you go low season to Center parcs as an adult you can have a really enjoyable. Deviance a lot of them come with great Spa facilities and it's just a nice chilled way of making the most of the outdoors but without being in a tent or in a year to you know, and having everything on site you can obviously live site and go out if you want to or you make use of restaurants that are on site and everybody is sort of in the same sort of place. It's a really nice place to go as an adult to do. Adult things so we're just wanted to you know, put that out there in case people hadn't thought of Center parcs as an option. That was all that leads me on to spa days. We know people love a spa retreat some people don't love a spa retreat. So be careful with that one. Like we I know you and I are both not great at sitting in a spa. No find it really boring. But that is some people's idea of heaven and you know, I'm sure Spa this is from spot-on. Absolutely a lot more treatment depending on which one you pick. Yeah, people can have because I commit I'd be well up for a pedicure. Yes, but just not really interested in the whole sitting around a pool in a dressing gown sleeping on a waterbed next larger thing. That's not my and the thing with the spa days. I wanted to mention is obviously you can get like the Spa Retreats that you know you usual thing, but now you can get more sort of yoga. Treats. Yes. So if you've got a bride who's really into yoga or that kind of wellness and all of that lattes all that if that's really their jam and you think that they couldn't think of anything better to do than spend a weekend doing yoga being chilled eating healthfully drinking all the water having it, you know all of those things because that's absolutely fine. If that's your bag. You don't have to be drinking cocktails that I'm me then you can find yoga retreats, which I think is a really I mean there might be a bit spending. No the cost of these things but it's just an alternative idea to making a bride go out who doesn't really like going out and also with things like that. So say you've got a hobby that the bride is really into being a yoga plaster or boxing whatever it might be. Yeah, then you can find independent teachers absolutely who can come to your Air B&B or apartments or you can hire a venue. Yeah. Hi rooms. In hotels, it has to get that you might be staying at the hotel. Yeah might be Hotel me is where your apartment is. Yeah, but there is relatively straightforward ways of almost I suppose curating that were definitely the hen do like from scratch. Yeah, just so whoever that bride is. It's taking that Hobby in the thing that they really enjoy and making it a real special thing that they can share with you. Even if you're not into yoga you do it early because I enjoyed it. Yeah, you can do like I can't remember. Is somewhere in in think it might be Brighton you can do like yoga in the sky and basically you go up in this big in the lift to this sort of like rooftop rooftop and your glass all indoors, but it's all glass so you can see over the city that'll be just him. Even if you didn't actually turn the activity itself wasn't your experience of silly. Really? Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, it's taken that your Brides Hobbies like you say and just making it the best experience of that they could have yeah City tours. So we've mentioned a few you cities actually already we've covered off. So you did the London thing often people will pop to London for a meeting or a single night out for something or I don't know about you but I find I've done very little touristy things inlander. Absolutely. I keep very very heavy you saying this? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know my own Capital City. I've never I've been there and I've been out and been to a barber actually. I've never done the touristy things. I've never driven around in the bus or you know visited in the V&A Museum. As they say yeah, so I think that can be really exciting when you if you selling it like that. And also there's some amazing scavenger hunt companies and new companies now in London, which is a really exciting way for you to get to see the city on foot or by horse or whatever it is. That's part of the scavenger hunt and check out different restaurants and pubs and bars along the way that's a really good way of seeing a city. I'm sure they're they've got them in Liverpool and restore them away. Wherever else as well. I only know of a couple of in London, but I'm sure Manchester, you know, everywhere will have that sort of thing set up. So if your bride particularly likes the city then that's a great idea as well as set up the scavenger hunt you basically split into teams. I think and you go around the city see who finishes first and you get the champagne at the end of whatever it is that the winner receives. So yeah, that's a great way of seeing a city. There's always the big house hen do so. This is where you hire a big country house or city-based Airbnb or wherever it might. Database your activities around and you can sort of go two ways without sort of Hindu. I think it's sort of that becomes your base for your out party. And that's why you come back to or you can make that part of your party to hire a chef in that's right hire a chef into somewhere. That's got hot tub or recall. We've had a girls weekend before where we had a great Bond. It was brilliant and it had a swimming pool a head like a cinema room had a swimming pool. It was gorgeous and we sort of had a theme day for the in the swimming pool. Everyone had like Hawaiian skirts and coconut Cox and Garland's and there was a few inflatable plum trees going around just so we sort of, you know, paying some of music and just giving it a bit of a extra Vibe. Yeah. I'm not everybody loves fancy dress. I'm not heating on fancy dress, but in these situations, she's just kind of are doing it see it and everybody's involved and you get into it and just adds a little extra element to that experience. And also I know I'm going to talk a bit about theme. Now it's a bit of a night. You can be a bit of an icebreaker as well. As I was saying before like you can have a theme that doesn't require people to have to spend like save quite a bit of money. I got time sourcing some costume than ever going to wear again absolute those I people like I think dressing up of course, I don't have any excuse to the camera store. So everyone just has a nice base. Like what's you know, what's the dress code if you like I'll just wear your favorite outfit like what's your favorite weather? Yeah when we did Miss World, so just meant that. We just wore a nice frock. Yeah, and I also went to one that was Oscars seemed really unfair we put like a red carpet in the hot it was and had to hand out these Oscars of that but it just meant that everyone essentially War evening gown is probably pushing it a bit. Yeah, but you know, yeah just cocktail for a super fans. Like I could you know my hair. However, I want yeah this new font to them is you can make it. Seems he have all the fun and laughs at go with it, but not to the extreme that yeah, everyone's a caricature of some. Yeah, basically, I remember when I went on the Brighton hen. Do this was a Hindu that was probably three different groups of friends. And I knew there'd be one girl there that didn't know anybody at all. Okay, and she was more than happy to go just quite sociable person. So, you know, she was fine and we all had to meet in this Pub car park to get ready to order coach to get us to Brighton and we would like to turn up in Fancy. Dress as our favorite pop star. Okay, so immediately you turn up the three people all dresses the same pop star. So that's an immediate Icebreaker because even if they don't know each other they're like, ah, you came the same as me and blah blah blah and then it's something you remember of the weekend. Yeah, you know and then you you're all you calling each other Jerry all weekend or whatever because you know, it is a good way of breaking the ice and the girl that came by herself came as Blondie. She looked so good. No one realizes its She wearing a wig so welcome. I got to the air B&B and by the time it came to go out. She had long brown hair. Everyone was like it's blunt. So all of those little things like just a nice little Icebreaker. So, you know, even if you're not up for fancy dress in that swear on a dress that is fancy. Literally, I went as Gwen Stefani and put quicker my hair and a red lip simple, but you and you'd like to say it doesn't have to be this big caricature. Thing, you know, it can just be a simple thing like that Oscars. That's such a good idea trying to think if I can have some sort of party and I tell you I don't know what's going to go on with this what my wedding Hindu family like hundreds of you - and there's gonna be a year and there's only my skis. Oh my let's get me a hot tub and there's gonna be like some more boarding in bolland and we're all going to give you an Academy Award at the end. Yeah. It's gonna be great. Just going back to the big country house thing and me saying about You know using that as the base for your whole hen do is that you can hire people in to do manicures or makeup or it's all those things now that are so easily accessible for those Brides who don't want the big out out. This is still out Araya. Yeah can be like exactly excuse for some R&R. Oh, absolutely and then I wanted to just look at a couple of something different ideas. I'm going to link a couple of things. That what we've said already are a little bit herding sheep. I mean casual something. I found that really cracked me up that I mean, this is not for everyone. But if you're going to pop yourself to London, you could have a hot tug Yes. You heard me right took which is basically you sail along the Thames in a fully emerged hot tub as in on the back of the boat as in light up. It is a boat the hot tub itself. It's got The motor and it just struck drives you down the sails you down the Thames might not be wanting see that in January just saying I've never heard anything like it in my life, but for some people they would find that absolutely hysterical and so many whole boat tour thing Harley the ball. No hot tub. Yes, but don't fall in the time now don't panic. He's we do in London for a meeting or something. I don't know. I did BBC Radio. All right back when I was Fancy and we had like an hour to kill or something and it was a really hot day and then this is big bow, like on the Thames that had this bar in it and they serve like is amazing fully loaded chips and look at the top - we cannot tell you this would be the best party if you're was a fully loaded chip and we're literally anyone with a glow that bowl with as much as you possibly can. Sorry, oh the thought of chips anyway, as you were Satan has everything so yeah, it seems like that again. Yes, I you can consider events I suppose. Yeah that you wouldn't normally do that Chloe, but and this is the big but your head and do can just be a really fun relaxed. Yeah weekend or Daven or just the evening news. That's the afternoon. Yeah within budget within the Realms of feasibility in terms of location and travel you're right of it. You might really want to have a boat party. You talking about boats. You don't have to go to Ibiza to have a really good boat party. You can sort that in the UK and a barge. Oh get yourself a narrow boat with a fully loaded bar and a speaker system. Hey guys sorted. Okay amazing. Don't don't ever say that. We don't provide you with all the inspiration. I actually got engaged on a narrow boat is ya did ya the after-party was like half on half off the boat so good push love to tell everyone about our engagement stories one day won't we that's for another podcast. But this one is already really long story about that. Anyway, so I was on about something different hot tug yet might want that a shot and I were talking earlier about a pamper party when we you hire out for example, a boutique hairdressers, whatever it might be Even got to blow dry. Everyone gets a manicure might get a facial. I'm asks them at like that a makeup done get your makeup done and just have a proper good early day. If that's like your bag obviously don't do that. If you don't wear makeup or like having your hair blowdried be terrible, but it's things. I don't think I would have been able to do that when it was my hen do like it's just not the same flexible by what if considered. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I I know like lots of my friends would love that. Yeah. Spending money or whatever it is. So it sort of makes sense. I guess to entice everyone yes to do something that they would normally that is a treat. Yes. Yes, so that kind of pampering I think so if your planned on this lovely meal has great restaurant or I don't know you are going to a bar or a club or zip thing anymore dressing up. Yeah, everyone having night their hair done the nails painted or the makeup done. Is it really nice tree and it seems that operation for for ya that night a yeah, absolutely. I think it's a really nice idea. One more thing. You can do that two more things. You can do that a little bit different. What about making your own perfume for the wedding The Saturdays? I mean, so what if it's something totally unique so both you and the bride will always tie that sent to her hen do and her wedding lovely is that and there's several companies that you can go do to do it. I mean, obviously there's the obvious Jo Malone, but then there are other companies. You can go and create perfume. And then they will give you the makeup of your perfume. Then you can reorder it as well. So you can you can keep buying it. I just thought that's really nice totally different really unique and a memory you're making a memory with that and something that you're going to wear again. And again nice, isn't it? That's nice. And the only other one I wanted to mention that is slightly different is a weekend cruise over the med Amsterdam to Bruges to somewhere like that really close. It's something I've done in the past and when I was on that in fact T' there were a couple of stag dues on the one that I went on. And basically you're you know, you're on the boat quite a lot of the time but if you've got good weather, it is great because your food is all included and I'm talking the one I went on was a la carte restaurants five courses incredible food. You've got certain amount of drink included in your package as well. You you know, you've got the swimming pool the spa or these things and you get taken to your destination where ever it was mine was Bruges you get Depending on how you want to do it 10 hours to explore go and eat loads of chips french fries even not chips because it's french fries are eat all the chocolate because oh my goodness so good and then you get back on your bow. You have your dinner and then your home before, you know, it's such a nice way to spend a weekend totally different and it's the whole package then isn't it the whole clip may exist in organizing very very simple and straightforward budgets very easy. So people have just gotten to do that. Extra spending money, which is absolutely individual to the Perth worked out cheapest then some weekends that I've had insane London or Liverpool. And yeah, I so just something to consider as long as your bride doesn't get seasick. Yeah, add that one to your list and do a bit of investigating into that. But yeah, I would definitely recommend that as an experienced one reader has had her family hen do this weekend. I'm gone. I want to share with you what she did because I just thought it's just love it just speaks. It's just Lovely, so it consisted of a group of 10. So again that really nice number the ages of the hens raged from 14 to 70 plus so like a real like mishmash of and friends and family and it was both bride and groom's family and they booked a cafe Who provided them with an afternoon tea and they Supply their own Prosecco bonus and a lady came along a bought some silk flowers and taught them all how to make buttonholes and corsages and between them all all they'd made enough so that all Family will have something to wear on the wedding day that's of life. And I just wanted to put that in at the end there after my you know Cruz and making a perfume and all this to hone in on the point that actually that's a unique idea because it's entirely unique to them as a family and it's given them you don't have to go far to have fun. Literally. It's she's in the same Village, you know that she lives in you don't have to go to Bruges. Just stay in Walton. Yeah, and she's having another Hindu she mentioned with friends. It's obviously going to be a bit more rawkus. She said but that for her it was just absolutely perfect. So, yeah, the I guess I'm ending on the point of your hand you your way. Absolutely. I'm not finished. Can you believe it or not? Goodness? Can't stop us today. We're not told about any Hindu games. You have really nice. So we need to give the people what they want and they want to play some games on their head, dude. So spoken about the bride gift game, huh? We're from price of magic gift and she guesses who is from Barbara the Barcelona Hindu that I organized. I did a mr. And mrs. Which I think is something most people will do with a group. I'd asked him to record himself and saying the answers. Okay, because I thought was a bit more personal things him to the brings immediate closure. Yeah and see him squirm a little bit because he's having to say nice things in is a bit like this is a bit embarrassing unfortunately couldn't make the Hindu in the end which was unbelievable, but they It's time to me into it so I could watch and it was so lovely. And then at the end he said like a really nice thing about the bride and everybody cried. And that was one thing that was worth the extra effort of getting him to record himself send it to me and sort of try and edit it together in some sort. Yay. Because the bride said that it was one of the favorite things of the entire weekend to have that. Yeah, they've got that forever as well. Yes, so nice to look back on. I also know that they played never have I ever okay. So never have I ever whatever you want to say. And if you've if you if you have done that, then you have to drink or take a forfeit or whatever. It's like never have I ever joined the mile high club or whatever. It might be. I mean that is just an example. I'm not saying who hasn't joined the mile high club. Let's move on. If you are staying in for a pajama party type thing or having a night in you could always have a game of Prosecco pong. These things are so easy to set up these days and you can buy Buy packs of like, you know, I'm talking about beer pong but Prosecco or Jinn or whatever you prefer to drink. That's a load of fun doesn't make too much mess if you're careful, but it's another thing to get everyone involved and up on their feet a little bit and yeah, you know involved in team, you know chanting and all that sort of stuff but the little games are really easy. I'm just trying to think of things that are easy for people to do really you can have advice sheets for the bride. You know that when you go to a baby shower and they say, yes, you know, how heavy is the baby going to be what's a piece? Fight for the men to be and all those sort of things you can do an equivalent version for the bride make up your own or I'm sure there's loads of templates online. You can download from that's just another something cute to fill out five minutes, you know, there's a game called about the bride where each member of the group writes down a fun fact about the bride and she has to read them out and guess who wrote it if she gets it wrong. She has a forfeit and again, this is this is a nice way of cutting cooperating people who might not be there as well. So you might have a couple of friends who haven't been Been able to attend but they could still say this again. And again, yeah, which I think is really nice trying to incorporate people who can't be present for whatever reason it might be one game. I really like to get everyone interactive. This is good for groups where perhaps nobody knows each other too. Well, it's called the cocktail challenge. So different ingredients are written down on pieces of paper the group split into teams and then each team selects a number of ingredients, so it'll be like, they'll be fruits Spirits mixers whatever it is and they have to pick from the pile. And obviously left with whatever they've chosen and they have to create cocktail made from those ingredients and then the bride has to decide who made the best cocktail and that team wins more cocktails. I don't know what whenever it is that you are maybe those could be recreated at the wedding. Yeah, if they're any good, I guess the summation of that is to have fun games. You don't need to spend loads of money. No. Oh, hey, none of those things that I've just mentioned other than maybe making the cocktails. They don't cost any money. It's all just about Having fun and getting people to communicate with each other and enjoying each other's company. Really the only other thing I really wanted to mention. I'm getting their people promise is special touches and people had mentioned when they got in touch with me about Hank. It's and making like we've already talked about we briefly things that you can include in these Little Hen kids when I made some for the Barcelona trip one thing. I wanted to make sure I put in there was a little card with the address on and the accommodation and my phone number. I know that's really like all ring is really important. Everybody had. Yes that piece of information. You never know. Do you case you get lost and you need to get a taxi and you forget where you're staying or so, if you're abroad just a point of contact like that that people can have on them. They might lose their phone but they might have their bag still in might be able to have that card to show a taxi. You know what I mean? Just that all the webbing and practical element. So I included like cute hair ties a little Flamingo glass because that was sort of the theme of the whole thing. Was that a bit like tropical a little cocktail umbrella for everyone to put in their little glasses. I found these little cute quote cards that say things like stupid things like a my God. Your eyebrows are banging or whatever like you've got such a great smile up these just little positivity card to put a few of those things so that they were quite sweet everyone a little mirror to take out with us and the night out and then a little mini survival kit, which was like a rehydration sachet from love hearts and paracetamol. Pasta, I think just you know funny little things. I mean these kids you could you could make anything out of them. So you had eyelashes in your list is really useful practical things. Yeah, I'm like false lashes and my lash glue in case you and a lipstick. I'm in such a lovely cute touch isn't it? And I've got a few other ideas. I've got a things you could you know, you could embellish that morning after kick thing with the rehydration sachet say face mask my mask really strong coffee strong coffee tea bag or whatever. It might be. I've seen a few Hindu kits where people have put in like slippers which made me laugh Party Poppers badges just cute little things. It's just say thanks for coming and I'm really glad that he has is hard. Yeah take this away and Hearty and all that. Yeah acted but again as we've said it start don't forget to budget for these things. It might even be a simple thing that you want to just give everyone. Or something like a cocktail glass charm or something like that, you know that fits around the bottom of the glass another name on it could have what's its Hindu or whatever it might be just budget for it before you you go ahead and buy them. And also if you're getting things like that from eBay or wherever allow time for delivery, yes, because often a lot of these things you can be ordering and perhaps they're going to come from somewhere far away. It might take two weeks three weeks to come so don't leave it to the end. Just make sure you know, you don't just get us for everything and it might be nice. I mean you don't have to this is obviously each their own is just to get a little something extra for the bride for her to keep so we got a bright photo frame so she could take a photo from the weekend and put it in there like the memory and made her a little photo book as well. It's all the girls. Did you? Yeah, my sister my friend organized it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, but what they actually did was they did it after the hen do so, I don't know anything about It's a picture together and then they gave it to me on the morning of getting ready for my wedding. Oh my word. So it was really lovely to look back on it. Yeah, and then we put it on the table where the guest book was. That's so everyone could then have her formative look up what we gotta do. But anyway, that's a good idea. I really like that because I got all the girls to send me photos of With the bride and a little caption about this like some of these photos were going back 15 years and I know it's hilarious. It's absolutely hilarious just with a little caption to say, you know, like a memory from that photo or whatever, correct your soundtrack to be good thing really like zoo on for a wedding, but sort of, you know, depending on your friendship group, but I'm sure even if like you were saying that all different friends different places. Yeah, they'd all have some kind of song. That's a great idea the thing. Yeah, that would remind them of a certain time something together. Whether it's just like putting a Spotify playlist together. I'm playing it during the head and yeah absolute whether it's physically creating something. Yeah, you know, that's such a good idea. Yeah. It's just that little special to again. It's a price and cost anything. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. The final final thing I wanted to end on I promise you I promise or she keeps promising me and I'm still waiting. I promise is have you thought about having a hag or Sten do which is a joint. Hence now my Been hot and I'm not commit on that. Yeah, and I thought I don't know. I don't sure know and they had to sort of separate houses in the same place. I'm sure of where they went now. It might have been Amsterdam. So I think I'm so they went for two nights. And on one of the nights they mess up, right? Okay, and the houses which they say is no Apartments weren't too far from each other. So one of our just don't know whether don't the Dynamics of that is a see it's a bit strange that seems a bit. It's one of one of our readers Chloe Louise w89 had she called it s 10 do and what they've done is they'd hired a house for everybody. So everybody stayed in this game. It depends on the circumstances of your friendship group. Yeah. So if you've got lots of couples who are all friends. Yes, then why not? Yeah. Yeah makes sense doesn't it? But she also made the point of saying that it was a 3-day thing. So they're hired this house for three days if you were coming you pay her. Gavin which is for the three days but there's no pressure to be there or three days. If you can only come Saturday Sunday or Friday Saturday, that's cool. And yeah, and she said everyone was really fine with that if one just paid and then turned up as and when they could but she said what they did on the Friday the boys went out and did the Stag do the girls went out and did the hen do and then on the Saturday they all went out separately for the evening but ended up in the same Club. Okay, and then all obviously went home together so that it was together, but To me sounds like a good balance if you want to. Yeah, I stay in the same place but go off and do your own things but come back and she said what was so good about it is it meant that all the Bridesmaids and close friends and Usher's and close friends of her fiancé. They all met before the wedding and that's it. Was it just like girls admit and the boys had met literally everybody a man. Everyone is very much Matt. So when it came to the wedding, it was just like everybody was mates and she felt like it made a big difference to the day. So I think that's something to consider in it. I just got one piece of advice from reader Gemma and I think it's really important and rounds off really really nicely. So she said it's difficult and I would say the most stressful thing for me is I'm so worried about people spending money on my hen do so. I made sure the flights and accommodation were a great deal and tried to give people enough time to stagger payments my maid of honor my sister. / mom of taken the lead now, so it's given me a chance to sit back and enjoy the run up to it. I suppose if I could give it. I said to myself it would be to soak it all up and try and enjoy every single second and to not worry about pleasing everyone else because I think that's something we all get far too worried about and it's pretty much impossible to please everyone and that's okay your Hindu your way and on that note. I'm going to let you go. Just one final thing. I'm going to put it in the show notes. I've got a list of really funny movies to get you in the mood for the run up to your head and do so go and visit the show notes to get a run. Down of really funny obviously includes bridesmaids films just to get you loosened up in the mood for Hindu and something fun for you to have a future that night. So yeah you girls as well. I'm so sorry for how long that was. Thanks for listening if you still here. Oh God legislation. If you've made it this far you dedicated and I appreciate very much and we will be back with that. See you soon with another much shorter episode. This podcast was brought to you by Becky and Charlotte from Rupp my wedding the UK's most influential wedding band for more content visit with my reading got code at UK follow us on Instagram at rock my wedding or by the book your day your way from Amazon or any leaving book retailer. This podcast is produced by we are the flux.

We're back after a summer break with an episode all about how to organise a successful hen do both in the UK and abroad. HEN DO ORGANISATION TIPS Not sure who to invite? Yep, it's another dreaded guest list to think about but don't worry we talk through how to go organise all the different people in your life. We talk about how to book an appropriate place to stay, how to manage the money involved and how to stay on track of everything. PLANNING A HEN DO IN THE UK We talk about epic places and activities for a hen do in the UK and also some ideas for hen dos abroad too where we've tried to cater for a mix of gorgeous brides from those who love to go out-out and those who like a much quieter much more chilled vibe. As with everything to do with your wedding we want you to have your hen do your way be that a night out, a weekend away, having a pamper party or partaking in a hot tug. Yep, you read that right, a hot tug. Strap in guys and girls, this is the longest episode yet! Oh and here's a list of hilarious movies to get you in the mood for your impending hen do: Bridesmaids - OBVS - Even if you’ve already seen it! Watch it again! (Kristen Wiig, Melissa McCarthy) Rough Night (Scarlett Johanssen, Zoe Kravitz) The Bachelorette (Kirsten Dunst, Rebel Wilson, Isla Fisher) The Proposal (Sandra Bullock) Girls Trip - Queen Latifah, Jada Pinkett Smith Sex And The City (You know the cast of this one) Visit our show notes page for more hen do inspiration!

Welcome to the steroid podcast with your book Dan the body builder from time. Start the steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history. You have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate God toroids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime. This information has been suppressed this long now, let's get on with the podcast. All right, welcome back to the steroids podcast, and I thought that it would be a great way to start out the steroids podcast by telling you what steroids I took today. Today this morning when I woke up. I took 300 milligrams of Prima Belen injection in my ventral glute and in my left pack, I shot intramuscularly. Five I use of human growth hormone. Right now. I'm running an experiment. I'm doing one vial of growth hormone per day. So 10 I use been on it for six days. So far 10, I use growth hormone per day and splitting that one one shot when I wake up to go pee when my blood sugar is really low at 3 a.m. In the morning because I was always wake up in the night to go. P. And so then I just go to like mosey over to the refrigerator and be like poop and put that little insulin syringe on a my chest and pop that on growth hormone 5 I use in there and then the other time that I take the other five I use a growth hormone to make the 10 I you vile is after my workout. So the effects from doing this I've only been on this cycle now, which is is I've only been on it for five days before I was just on a testosterone about 750 milligrams per week. But now this is about the fifth sixth day of this cycle, which has been a 900 milligrams of pre mobile and per week with 750 milligrams of testosterone and ante per week and 10 I use of human growth hormone production. Split in Two Shots is all farm grade gear. And so you have been on this for the past five days. Now, this is day number 6 and probably the only other time in my life that I've been this anabolic was when I was on 600 milligrams of testosterone per week and 700 milligrams of tremble on acetate per week, and I was eating a lot of Take and rice and ice cream. That would probably be the only other time in my life that I've felt as anabolic as I do right. Now. The big thing is the growth hormone as I've body built longer and longer I've realized that growth hormone is like pretty much the nicotine the second most important substance after testosterone. It's like so if you want to do bodybuilding and make it Look the way that you really want it to look like the way that you like see like Arnold and those guys look or or you know up to guys nowadays and seeing how they look you know, Pros now dead or something, but for me, it's the Golden Era. That's what I like. I like Golden Era type of body building from Arnold's day. So yeah anywhere to get from there up to now modern-day bodybuilding you got to get that look. So I'm not even I'm not even trying to say like, oh, it's the times. I'm just trying to say that including that look you got to use growth hormone. Okay, if you want to look like they did in the Golden Era you got to use growth hormone. Okay, they were using growth hormone. They were using cadaver graved Crest corpsman brand growth hormone. So it was really freaking strong because it was human pituitary glands from dead people that cadavers they cut them out and then they grind up all the pituitary glands and extract like the hormone juice from it. Um, and then you know, that would be the injection, you know, once it was purified. They would be injecting this into people with all these pituitary gland hormones in it. And you know, this shit would just like fucking toast their fat off their body and make them looking all like jacked and super full and super hard because that's one of the main things that growth hormone does when you start taking a really hardens your body up and you know within within takes about Out like I mean if you take 10 I use on the first day, you can feel that shit. You can feel that shit 2424. No, even feel it earlier than that. You can feel that shit majorly in the gym 24 hours later, but you can actually like feel the effects of oh, I took something about five hours later. So it takes about two days takes about 48 hours to see the results of growth hormone in the mirror from when you have not taken it to when you do ticket. And this starts at a dosage of about two to three I use per day for I use per day as a better dosage. Like if you had never tried growth hormone before and you wanted to see what it could do for you like the way to do that would be to buy something that was you knew was like the maximum strength and potency and Purity so that you could have like this Benchmark and no okay. This is you know exactly what I'm doing and this is what you know growth hormone can do for me so, you know for my A case that was that was actually the advice that I got. I'm repeating that to you. That was before I had tried pharmaceutical grade growth hormone because I had tried the generic growth hormone and you know that shit suck. They gave me a sexual dysfunction and cuz you know, that shit's impure its impurities got human growth hormone is very similar to prolactin. The prolactin molecule is not very different than the human growth hormone kuehl and so growth hormone. It's Bad for your sex drive on the contrary is actually pretty good for your sex. But you know, it definitely is not. It's not you know, prolactin. Okay and prolactin don't want that because that's what trend makes go up and dekabox go up and fucking destroys your sex drive. Okay, so if you got some impure growth hormone, you know some impurities fucking chemicals in this generic growth hormone shit, which is always in there and fucking if you're sensitive to like hormonal and do sexual dysfunction, and personally, I'm like probably like a little bit on the average. I'm like average with how sensitive I am to getting like sexual dysfunction from steroids. But maybe I'm like, you know, 10% more prone to it. Then then the average dude, you know, so like I would be like on the 60% side and the average dude would be on the 50% side, you know, or you know, 40% would be the opposite of me, you know how sensitive they were. I'm like out of a rating of one to a hundred I'd say that like the normal guy at 5:00. 550 out of a hundred and sensitivity. I'm about like 60 out of 100 and sensitivity of sensitivity to sexual dysfunction side effects of steroids and hormones in general and stuff like that. But I'm very also very good at it. So since I have a lot of experience and I'm very aware of my feelings that have a really good sense of my body. I've been able to develop a system where you know, it's very very rare or unusual for me to ever have sexual dysfunction because use wedding a lot of experimenting and used a lot of different hormones figured out what works for me and figured out a bunch of you know, how to tie my a eyes and stuff and what signs to know for, you know, that makes me know when to take the AI and when not to and how much fractions of tablets you know. It just comes with experience. It just comes with experience and you know troubleshooting it HCG techniques and you know coming back to growth hormone. Now, you know growth hormone also increases your erections. Okay? So what happens is that growth hormone actually rises in your penis 200% naturally when you get in when you get a fucking erection, so naturally what happens Is when the scientist, you know, they did a study on this and they were like, you know what's causing this penis erections. And so they're like putting the rubber band, you know around that shit to keep the blood in there and then extracting the blood during the erection and you know, you guys that just winced at that and you were like, oh my God, he put a needle in the dick dude. I've done it too. I did, you know, I took the calves reject injection, which is you know, before they had Viagra they had this stuff called calves rejecting it gives you a medically-induced erections. And it just won't go down no matter what, you know for two hours. It doesn't matter. If you come it doesn't matter. If you go run a marathon, it's just chemically induced Direction. I wanted to fuck with that because I was I was like Jesus Christ is some weird as shit, you know, I want to try this and so, you know, I got it I got it and you know, I used a 31 gauge needle tiny like 5/16 inch needle stuck it all the way into the base of my dick on the side. Like on this side of the side of the base of the shaft into The Meat part and yep that shit fucking stung like a bee sting. Oh my God that shit hurt like a bitch. So anyways gave me a chemically induced direction for the next two hours. And you know, it just wouldn't go down. That was that was it? Okay, so I know you're interested in that kind of thing if you're listening. In this podcast, so putting it out there. I did that next thing would be with the growth hormone though. So yeah the growth hormone levels rise naturally during erection by 200% in the deck and what goes with that is that you know, it excites that process. That's a process in in the dick to make it get a, you know, a good direction, you know part of that process is growth hormone levels going up. So if you Taking the growth hormone, you'll notice that you have a few more like no reason boners like those start like popping up, you know, you see a lot of the effects of when you were in puberty again actually start to happen in your body. So that's one of the things that happens when you're your own growth hormone. I wouldn't say it doesn't increase acne. It definitely doesn't increase acne and that's something that a lot of teenagers experience but other like Uncle things that happen when you're in puberty like you might feel like some of those types of growing pains that you might use to feel like at the edges of your bones like in your knees or your elbows or something like that those kind of like little bits of soreness that you know would feel or maybe a little bit of weakness every once in a while and those joint areas and you know like a bit of wobbliness or something I mean everybody experiences the stuff when they're going through puberty, I'm sure you can remember it And you know basically anything you eat like going, you know, like very preferentially to feeling your next exercise activity. So you can like eat food and then be like totally charged up again and like ready to you know work out again, you know after you've just done a workout, you know, they'll remember back when you were a teenager and you know, you would We'll go play sports and then you stop for you know, a couple hours ago eat like a meal and then you'd be back out there playing for another three or four hours. Like it's like that it makes like a all the food you eat go towards like your physical muscles. And so it's a it's a major performance enhancing drug. It really is like like steroids make you like bigger and stronger pretty much that's like pretty much what they're good for and then trend has a lot of this. This same kind of effects that you know, our performance enhancing effects that growth hormone has but trans got a lot of side effects. But then you know growth hormone is the bio identical, you know, it's more expensive than Trend. Yeah, and it's also the you know, the bioidentical hormone, you know, and you know, if I had to choose between growth hormone Trend dude, I choose freaking growth hormone. So you guys know I don't use Trend anymore. I just decided like I don't like this stuff like I don't want to be going on and off of this bullshit anymore. This stuff is like way too harsh, you know, like I don't want to be putting that in my ADI what the hell? It's a I just didn't want to be the relying on fucking tremble on so that's why I've found out all these alternative methods that I tell you guys about and the steroids podcast because you know Trimble owns the best steroid like it's the most important thing. It's the best like hormone for getting the body you want like it's the most versatile and the most powerful at gaining muscle and at burning fat and like being low cost but it just, you know local custom the budget but you know seem to for most people it it's probably not a good thing and like I swear if you're in Trimble and it's probably true that you do have an increased probability of being on like having the police record or something. I'm not saying it's going to make you have one. I'm not saying it's going to make you have one. Okay, but I would say that people that use a lot of tremble own probably have a higher incidence of being, you know, having a police record than the average population. I think so, you know, I've been pondering that question and I've been like yeah that's got to be the fucking honest truth. That's not really like a nice thing to say and it doesn't mean that it turns you, you know in into some kind of stupid thing, but you know What I was saying about how you get targeted when you go out like into like nightlife or something where people are drunk and you know, then your your fear of getting hurt is completely removed when you're on Trend. So and and you also don't care about like fighting or something like you're ready and you don't care if you get hurt and you have zero apprehension to it. So I think that if you really took out of all People on trend on the world. I'm not saying it makes you a violent person but I'm just saying there would probably be like some some shit like that, you know, like an increased risk of having a police record, you know, I don't want to have this kind of shit in my life. I don't want to have that kind of shit my life. So that's why I stopped. I stopped using it years ago. I was like fuck this shit dude. So and again, I'm not saying it's going to make you do that, but I'm just saying that it increases the likelihood. It's like a factor that it can like push things, you know that way more and if you already have those Tendencies and then you get on that, you know can really push you over in that direction me. I think you guys can probably tell that I'm a pretty average guy naturally in a lot of ways like it like physically like my physical body is probably pretty representative of the the average dude like in in high and proportion and muscularity, too. like the average dude, if you look on my Instagram bodybuilder in Thailand on Instagram, then then you're going to see these before and after pics of you know, before I was on steroids and like after or before I started bodybuilding and then like after and you're going to see that I started out with you know, it's like a pretty average pretty pretty average to other people. So that's how you can relate my body to the shit that I talked about on here. But you know getting back to the growth hormone here. Yeah. My cycle is going good. My Cycles going good feel very anabolic. Let's get on to some questions. The first question of the day for the podcast is by violin architect who asks him a question for the podcast. I'm six foot three. twenty kilograms my body type is endo. Mesomorph. He stores fat but doesn't have any problems being big and strong what cycle would I benefit from I gain muscle strength fast, but have difficulty cutting fat was thinking test and a draw human growth hormone and Klein. Yeah, so test is good especially for your body type with the easily gaining strength and and size and muscle because you know testosterone dosage is a really good indicator of total size. So testosterone you guys it doesn't have any like diminishing returns and the amount of gains that it gives you so Like that is totally not true when people say like oh, there's not a big difference in testosterone dosage and its effect on like your muscle size and strength after 700 milligrams per week or after a thousand milligrams per week. Hell no hell. No dude, that shit is linear. It's linear 250 milligrams increments. So if you took one more milliliter every week and you just kept on adding 1 milliliter 1 milliliter 1 milliliter over and over again. It's like the same dosage equals this exact same amount of like more muscle and strength enhancement on the dosage of testosterone. Okay, it has no diminishing returns. If you really dig deeply you can find studies, you know, where they've used just absolutely astronomical dosages on animals and tested these kinds of things and in astronomical dosages, but you know, I'm just not going to go there on this podcast. Cast you can talk to me, you know, you can send me message it or something. If you want to talk to me more, you know about some of the you know, studies and doctors reports that I've had access to and you know where some of this information comes from on these, you know hard to come by bodybuilding information like, you know dosages up in the hundreds of thousands of milligrams per week for animals and you know in dosages For humans that are talked about as you know, Dallas McCarver type dosages in the studies that have been done on them in humans. Okay, but I feel like that information. It's just better not to put it like completely out there like to the public because it's just it's a little much it's a little much so that's why I like an Ultimate Guide to roids. It talks about some of that stuff my book because there's like a little a wall in front of their you know, it's like the book is 1999. So it's like if people are really serious and they want the information and they're adults. It's like yeah, okay, then they really serious so they can like buy that for like less than like a bottle of steroids. So it's a little bit of a barrier to entry, you know, and that's probably going to weed out, you know, some of the morons that would take, you know, some of the information that's in there and you know hurt themselves or something by you know, Doing stupid combat combinations and you know just for some of the raw truth that you know, it takes two like what's does it take to be an ifbb Pro or something like that, you know and the kind of performance enhancement that you have to use and dosages and stuff. You know, I don't really think that that information should be just completely available to the public. So that's why I kind of like stuck it into the Ultimate Guide to Rhodes thing with that tiny little bit of you know resistance there to kind of like weed out the people who are not serious and and you know, they probably shouldn't have access to that kind of information anyways, so guy's testosterone dosage is linear with its effect on performance enhancement, you know, every CC you add is more stronger performance enhancement generally experiment capping off experimentation around like a gram and a half or two grams per week. You know under two grams per week results in less side effects. Okay, because you know, Going over those dosages you can you definitely start feeling side effects? No matter what you just do so, that's my that's my advice on that for you. Finally architect to ask the question. You know, you're a big guy so you need a lot of testosterone. So if I was you I'd be using like a thousand milligrams of testosterone for my cyclist. You're six foot three 120 kilograms. So he's 250 260 pounds. Six foot three. Yeah, he needs like a minimum of thousand milligrams of testosterone. Definitely those guys who are like really tall they need and they have like a really big like Natural Body and Frame. They need a good dose of testosterone because it's like body weight dependent like a five foot five guy who is, you know, a hundred and fifty pounds. He doesn't need to have as much testosterone generally as I know a guy who's six foot five and you know 220 pounds generally like the that guy who was who is just bigger and taller human being to begin with he needs some more testosterone. So for you guys that are like taller and just heavier. Naturally, it's you you got to have that body proportional dosage of testosterone. So you guys that are like, you know, 250 pounds when you start taking steroids are you taking us? Steroids, you know, you got to be taking more than like mini dosages like definitely not 250 milligrams per week of tests and thinking that's going to get you anywhere. You're like a big dude, you know, like you need to have some fuckin testosterone-filled blood hear me. So you gotta you gotta be pushing those dosages up there. Like if you're over 6 feet tall, dude. You got to be using three CC's a week. All right. So he says what cycle would benefit him for muscle gain strength fast, but have difficulty cutting. Oh, no would benefit him. He gains muscles and strength fast and has difficulty cutting fat. He was sneaking test and a drill HGH and Clan. Yeah, that's a really good cycle. So you get that thousand milligrams of test in there and then you start taking 50 milligrams and a draw per day that's going to make it so that you know, when you're taking the the ana draw your liver has like more It can start it converts more of the fatty acids in the blood into usable fuel for your body to be sent for the muscles to burn up. And so that that increases when you're on the the oral steroid especially ones like anavar and Anna draw you get this effect where your body becomes a more efficient fat burning machine because there are changes that happen in your liver. And so you'll notice that when you take an of our or Anna draw that you don't get hungry and you don't have like such severe swings and blood sugar you can kind of just don't need Foods quite as much because your body has this stabilization of blood sugar from increased fatty acid oxidation. And so that's a definite Liana draw. a really good and and of our to both of those drugs at about 50 milligrams per day, there are about equally as strong like 50 milligrams of anavar and 50 milligrams of Anna draw has a similar effect in a lot of ways on the body the Ana draw pumps you up more and fills you with some more fluid inside of your muscles and the end of our doesn't quite do that so much but I'd say it 50 milligrams per day and of our and Anna draw are both like equally, you know off some drugs steroids to take, you know, they're definitely worth experimenting with and being like, whoa, cool. This is what this substance can do to my body and seeing it like happened in the gym and you know feeling the difference in your muscles when you're working out hormones are cool, you know, very very interesting things. So Good call with the Ana draw and then here's another good call that you did with the HGH HGH also increases your blood sugar. Okay, so if you're taking HGH make sure it's Farm grade because if you get the brand name Farm grade stuff, you know, and it can be for Farm grade for a different country to like, you know, like in Mexico. They have starts with a x their brand named. It's like zirin dip or something like that is hiring 0 and dip or something. That's their brand name of HGH over there and it's manufactured and made in Mexico Serendip. Yeah, it's called Serendip and that stuff. That's that's good stuff. Yeah, it's definitely good stuff. So and then they also have like gin tropen that is made in China, but it's only made for export to the Russian market. So if it doesn't if it doesn't come Only for the Russian hospitals. So if it doesn't come in all Russian writing it's bullshit. Okay, so there are things other than like Jenna tropen by Pfizer and norty tropen minority lat or serous Tim by Merck Cyrano, or you know Omni trope. By him, I forgot I forgot what company makes Omni trouble but not on top of my head. But you know anyways, those are like some really popular brand name human growth hormone. So there's different growth hormones that come from different countries to you know, the aren't American ones or whatever and you know, they're really good to their excellent to so like gin tropen is one of those ones and you know, so they're usually these brands that are you know, you've heard that name before or like another one is an some That one is good to you. So you've heard those that one's Chinese pharmaceutical grade for use in China. So like in Chinese hospitals and some and then the Gin tripping is made in China for use in Russian hospitals export only but those are like examples of good Chinese growth hormone, you know, but when you're talking about these things like black tops blue tops great apps orange traps pink traps. Tops, you know because people are talking about like what is the top of the vial or whatever? What are the color of the top of the vial? I got some black tops generic growth hormone. It's like dude. Why don't you just piss in the vial and take that dude? Like what the fuck that shit sucks that shit freaking sucks. And you know what? There's also like a lot of counterfeits and knockoffs of you know, those some of those Brands, you know, like there's a lot of counterfeit knockoff Jin Trope in that's not the right Jin tripping. You know, it's a bullshit and then there's you know the same thing with like fucking humor Trope, you know, Lily humor tropes. Those are very commonly counterfeited and the pens those are not so commonly counterfeited like Janet rope and pens and nor Teatro pen pens. Those are not so commonly counterfeited. But so you're dealing in this market where it's you know, it's hard to get it so, you know, Thing that you can do is, you know, go to countries where they sell this stuff over the counter. So for one thing when I was in Colombia when I was in Medellin Colombia, you know, I went into one of the pharmacies and I was asking her for testosterone and so she she was handed me over the counter Nobita testosterone which is testosterone on deck and wait for milliliter 1000 milligram vile. It's super good for trt cute super stable testosterone blood levels and and then I was And although I want to testify and she was like now we don't have that. We don't have that and she was like, but we have this and she got really excited face and like she knew she had something I would really like and then she turned around to the refrigerator and then she brought out 30. I you naughty to open naughty. Let pens like I was laughing because I wasn't using growth hormone at the time and but you know, I knew that that was like really good, you know, like she brought out like a you know, like a A top fucking item right there and she knew it because she got this huge smile on her face and she was so excited to show me like she knew it was going to be something I would like and then she was telling me you know, and the price of of Colombian Colombian pesos, but you know, I would converting this now for you how much it was, you know, and it was she was selling it at that Pharmacy 420 bucks in Colombian pesos. You know OTC, you know, no prescription required just OTC at the pharmacy across the street from the mall. Yeah. It was the third eiu nor teach open Nordahl at Penn's premix pens with the with With the growth hormone in there, you know, she was selling those friend for the same price as a hundred twenty us bucks in Colombian pesos. So, you know, if your problem that you're thinking about, you know anything about like the growth hormone Market what I'm saying is something like this. That's the best way to get it. Okay, that's the best way to get it and a lot of people say like, oh, I'm not leaving my country to go get something or something. Okay. Well, you gotta find out you got to find a You doing I can't I'm not going to sit here and like like tell people like how to get stuff or something like that. But I mean I'm saying very reasonable very reasonable things because that's the way I always feel with bodybuilding is that there's some kind of like barrier to entry on knowledge and like as that, you know, that's been abused that principle by you know, making the knowledge way too hard to access and like take away too much work to you know, figure Everything out but there is some wisdom though in having some kind of barrier to entry on escalating knowledge, you know of bodybuilding and like what it what it takes. So I'll give you guys a good some good hints in the podcasts and some good hints the thinking man among you. Good hints that the thinking man among you can use for your benefit. All right. So good call with the HGH it makes it easier to diet because your blood sugar is higher on HGH. So you don't get a you know as much hypoglycemia a lot of times in dieting one of the things that sucks is you get shaky and hypoglycemia and like clammy and kind of frantic feeling that sucks and human growth hormone helps that not happen so much. Metformin also helps that not happen so much by switching your body's metabolism to more of a fat burning instead of carbohydrate glucose burning metabolism. So you can also put metformin in there probably should and then he says Clen to I mean you got all the bases covered dude. Take the Clen. You know, what wake up take the growth hormone. Take the Clen and you just need 20 micrograms of Clen you could use 40 micrograms of Clen to is use this on do some get up and go for a walk. I'll be good for your body recomposition. Okay. Next question is from P Marx who asks? Had a question for your natch. For your next podcast. Do you think competitive female crossfitters use gear? They look very manly I've offered often wondered how so many of them can build such large upper bodies if they do if you do think their own gear, how do they get around dope tests at the CrossFit competitions? Okay. Yeah the the way to get around testing its to use like quick in-and-out stuff. So up until a few years ago oral Toronto ball, which was A oral steroid that was developed in the gdr. The German so the German Soviet Union controlled State back in the Cold War. They were using you know Toronto ball to get past doping test because it's like undetectable and so to be able to test it and be able to detect it in the blood stream more than two to three days after the last tablet and increased that to two weeks. Now that has detection time that only just happened in 2016. So before that it was only two to three days after taking the last tablet could be detected. And now at this point it's up to two weeks. So, you know also, You have growth hormone in your blood, which it's like completely in and out in 24 hours. It can't really be detected and you know, there's other ways of messing with your hormones to like, you know, small little bits of testosterone suspension injections, you know, like many injections like 25 milligrams around training and stuff like that or you know, like in a woman, you know, like five milligrams 10 milligrams of testosterone suspension and water that's in and out of your body. Be in six hours and there are ways to beat the doping tests. You know, that's why the athletes these days, you know, none of them look like the the athletes that you see like in third world countries. You guys need to look at what the pro athletes in third world countries do because some of them, you know, they haven't really caught on to the Peds stuff so much but you know, they certainly don't look like bodybuilders guys because bodybuilders don't look natural. That's why it makes you go. Wow, when you see a body builder for the first time you go. Wow. I've never seen anything like that. That's not natural. How the fuck did he do that take hormones you take hormones. Alright, so these women that don't look natural they take hormones the okay. That's just the end of the story. They've got a lot of ways. They've got a lot of re ways around it. I can discuss that more at separate time, you know more in depth stuff, but believe me beating drug testing is it's like something to laugh at it's something to laugh at and they try to keep the sports as clean as they can with the testing they try to keep it as clean as they can and that's all they can do. So that you know, most of them most of them use like some wind straw some Toronto ball some anavar. Like I said a little bit of a test a little bit of testosterone suspension those CrossFit women. but I'm talking like micro amounts though. I'm talking like 5 milligrams. And then or they some of them can even use like some of the like Testo gel and stuff like a little bit and I can be like effective on them. But the growth hormone to that's a big one makes them be able to train a lot like and that whole thing about, you know, they have those stupid ass studies out there like growth hormone does not increase muscle growth. Oh my God. Oh my God, fucking idiots. Okay back in the 50s 60s 70s 80s all the way up until like the mid-90s these fucking motherfuckers had printed in every freaking steroid and sort insert on the farmers who had steroids. There's supplement does not and it's like warning this supplement does not improve strength and athletic performance steroids. Do not That for people who are not deficient and had like, you know, the scientists produced all these freaking retarded studies that said like steroids do not put increase muscle mass and they do not increase strength and normal healthy individuals. And so they're all like lying and shit and then, you know, the athletes had the complete different experience with it. And so that then it was like you guys are like so so fucking stupid, you know, and they finally in the late 80s early 90s changed that medical stuff and they're like, oh now the scientists admit that it increases muscle and shit and strength and it's the same thing with human growth hormone. They've got these fucking stupid studies up on the internet and guys read this yet. You guys read this shit and you're like, oh, okay. It doesn't build muscle and it doesn't burn fat and it's like, okay, dude. Okay, okay. Science is the way Jeff Nipper. Go watch Jeff Nipper heard on YouTube. He's really scientific. Yeah. Science doesn't know shit. Okay, that's why Bro Science is very important. And that's why in my book Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder in Thailand. That's why I talk about a big-ass section on Bro Science because there's a lot of really important Bro Science and there's also some other Bro Science that you gotta like make sense of and you've also got a disregard saw put like fucking like 40 pages or something in on this shit very important because Bro Science and a lot of you know, a lot of it is very important. So don't take this fuckin scientific approach with bodybuilding just To help give the scientific shit and the studies that have been done when you form opinions about bodybuilding through your experience and through the experience of others that you really know in real life then and you develop theories. Then look for scientific evidence to support them, but don't go looking for scientific evidence to tell you how to do bodybuilding that shit doesn't work straight up. That shit doesn't work. Okay. Next question Nicholas. Hey, man, love your ebook Ultimate Guide to roids. It's been really really insightful question for the podcast. What's the best way of dealing with trt? Whilst you're going on a holiday? I'm going to the US for two weeks next year, so can't take my test with me. So, how do I make sure I don't crash at the back end. Okay, well, Is your tea or team from a doctor or do you self-prescribed it to yourself? Because if you got a prescription you can take it into America. They asked to see it. You just show me a prescription if you have a a if you have a prescription from a doctor in another country, that's also honored in America. So don't worry too much about that and then you know if you can't take it for some reason. You know, what ester of testosterone are you using if you're using propionate? Yeah, that's going to be completely out of your blood. If you don't take it for two weeks, but if you're using an anti or sippy innate or if you're using undec. Oh, no wait indefinitely is the best here T. So Bayern debido makes brand name. That's the brand name of farm grid test on Decca knowit is in the beetle by Bayer Pharmaceuticals. And that stuff is it keeps your blood levels stable for you only have to take it once a month and then it'll keep your blood. It's a thousand milligrams injection. You just take it once per month and it keeps your blood levels of testosterone. They don't fall off really at all until 20 days in and then from day 20 to 30 they kind of start falling off. So I guess it's about three weeks before they really start falling off much. They I mean they do not fall off for the first three weeks after taking that 4cc injection. So that one is a very good one for trt. And you could take that and then when you're two weeks it wouldn't go away. But for you you probably use them to sit or using test and Aunt they so if you're usually doing one cc per week, take an extra CC before you leave and we'll cover you for that next week. You won't get any crash. It will kind of be going down, you know not as evenly as if you're taking the shots evenly, but it won't leave your body because it will double the level and your body before you leave and then It'll last in there. You won't get a dip and testosterone. You'll get a little boost. Alright, next question is from Rod Reese. He says is it normal to be dead hungry while taking tests to any Clan and T3? Yeah. Well testosterone makes you hungrier. I mean most steroids make you a little bit longer, especially injectable steroids, so Just being on testosterone in general. But the main thing that's making you hungry is being on that T3. So T3 increases your metabolism, but at the same time it equally increases your appetite. So T3, yeah, it does increase your metabolism quite a lot but it also makes your appetite go freaking nuts. So it's definitely an equal increase if you think T3 makes you burn more calories. Not increase your appetite proportionally. That's not the way it is. It's like a very equal balanced effect increasing the appetite and increasing the metabolic rate the amount of calories consumed. So yeah, it's very normal to be dead hungry on T3. Next question is from Blue Falcon. Hey big fan of the podcast. My question is how do endurance athletes like swimmers and Runners take gear and not get home. Durable pumps I've run as low as 250 milligrams a week test with 30 milligrams winning and still got bad cough cramps after running a mile. I've run 500 milligrams test with the ball and you can forget about even running Sprints isn't my diet or something. I need to add supplement wise to combat these side effects. Thanks. Yeah, so you're right. They definitely cannot run much gear at all and be able to function the way that you know at a top athletic ability. Like you said 250 milligrams test and then I think you said you'd been running some some Winstrol with that 30 milligrams of wind straw. Yep. So if you that's too much for you right now, you can even lower the dose more because you don't need to be taken a large dosage at all. Now Winstrol can kind of give people some cramps it can it can because it seems to increase the like neuro muscular tension in your body. So all of your muscles are a little bit more tensed or Flex just slightly more when you're resting them like that. It's an increase in what they call muscle tone the resting tension of your muscles increase in muscle tone resting muscle tone. So your muscles just kind of appear harder all the time because of that and so that that could be, you know contributing to that but it is a really good performance enhancer for explosion strength power. Speed so what you could do, if you're experiencing some effects is just cut the testosterone in half so that you have less intra cellular fluid retention. So you're on 250 test could drop it down to 125 test and just keep that 20 to 30 milligrams of winstrol in there. And you definitely get a performance-enhancing boost from this. I mean with sports you guys were just looking to add these tiny little bits of increases because it's not like a the way that increasing Like your muscle mass is for sports with the muscle mass. You keep on increasing the amount and the strength with the higher dosage, but with the sports, you know, you can't just run twice as fast because you took more steroids. You're looking really in sports. It's more about complementing the person's natural abilities, but in bodybuilding, it's not so much complimenting the person's natural abilities. It's like really exaggerating. The person's natural abilities not complimenting. Exaggerating them and making them be you know, really exaggerated but in sports it's not like that. It's just got the natural abilities natural athletic abilities and you're just looking to sprinkle this tiny enhancement on it. So what you want to do is just basically keep yourself with a level testosterone level so that you feel good with a testosterone and then you can add in these little bits of these little performance answers, you know, like 15 milligrams of d-ball or or 20 milligrams or 30 milligrams of winstrol on top of you know, only a hundred milligrams 125 milligrams of testosterone per week. And that can be that can be a good performance answer for you or like, you know, two to four I use of growth hormone before bed that that can make a huge difference to in the amount of time that you're able to spend training and training at a high intensity. Also when you first get on Peds, especially when you're like really new to them, like you're a total like virgin to them it really they really have a strong effect. So like the first time you ever touched Viagra if you've ever taken Viagra before do you remember the response it like had on your cock? It's like boom. It's like up and then that's like that virgin response. And then even if you like never use again for like a year and then use it again. Later, it's not like that again. So Peds are kind of like that. Actually they do get sort of a response like that. So when you've never used Peds before in your new to them, like like your first like three to six months on cycle, you know, if you add in Winstrol or you i didn t ball or you add in Trend or something like that or you think Len it's like you see the effect of that thing happen really strong and so so it's like exaggerated to because you're so sensitive to it. And also when you're small and you have less muscle mass it takes a lot less of those supplements to exert a big effect because your body naturally is already so primed to change. Anyways, you're nowhere near your genetic limit and then you add steroids to that fire that of stimulus and adaptation that you can create by working in the gym, you know, just way under your natural limit or whatever and it's if that's where you're at. And you know, they the muscle building metabolic things that happen is just like freaking pouring gas all over the fire. So you get these outrageous pumps that like burst the freakin veins in your like farms and shit. I would look down sometimes I remember the first time taking 30 milligrams of winstrol on top of 600 milligrams of tests. And I think I was actually taking yeah, I was taking like 300 milligrams of trend at the time to and then I added in 50 milligrams of winstrol per day and I was it might even be less than that might have been 25 milligrams Winstrol per day. And when I added in that Winstrol, dude, oh my God pumps in my forearms. I was looking down at them as like veins that I'd never seen before and then like the skin was so like bursting and stretching and so full of blood that the little blood vessels all over my forearms on the insides were by burst. So there's these little like purple lines all over the place because they were exploding because they had too much blood in them fucking nuts, but Doesn't happen anymore. So as you become more used to it that doesn't really happen and also big pumps are a big result of eating carbohydrates. That's like huge for pumps the best the things that work best for making you get a pump in the gym, like real talk not supplement talk is steroids that increase water retention. So any steroid that makes you increase water retention can help you get an insane pump and then there are some that don't increase water tension. They also help you get it insane pump, but they're more unusual. So yeah like Trend would be one of those taken steroids. And taking growth hormone. Those two things help you get an insane pump. They both work really good. And then the third thing is eating carbohydrates. And basically if you just take steroids and you don't eat carbohydrates, you're not really going to have a good pump at all like at all and if you take steroids and growth hormone and eat. A little bit of carbs, you can get pretty good pump. But if you take, you know, just steroids and you eat a ton of carbs. You can get a fucking insane pump. And then if you're on steroids and growth hormone and eat a ton of carbs, it's like what the fuck my body looks completely different right now in the gym than when I entered the fucking gym. So that's that next question Jerry. Asks, you think in the next podcast you could talk about the difficulties we have bodybuilding with guys who do jobs and work crazy hours and how much balance do you really need to practice in life just to get your meals in and your training days in peace. These are awesome. But I think people don't realize how committed you really need to be and how much work it is getting it all in plus. I have a family a lot of guys do bodybuilding is romanticized sometimes and don't get what they want out of the amount of money. They're investing because they're unprepared. And yeah, I would agree with that. It seems to be a thing where you get you gain more knowledge about you know, what it really is getting yourself into as you go further and further. So I think that contributes to that but you can make bodybuilding pretty simple. Like there's a lot of like a podcast. It's so much information. It's like a flood of information so it's like overwhelming and so that's like why I have the book. Because the book is just a hundred nine pages and it's like all of the it's like only the important information and I like cut all the fat out to make it as simple as possible. So that like a child could read that shit and then be able to like talk to you about steroids and Peds afterwards. That's how simple it is, but it's like so packed with information but it's just like after I wrote it, you know, then I went back through it and I was like cutting out all the fat in like every single word, you know. That wasn't necessary to get the freaking point across to you. I deleted that shit. I fucking delete it. Delete baby. And that's why the book is so freaking awesome and has so many freaking good reviews and everything and it's it's like the best if you know what I mean, this Rivals I think is better than the underground steroid handbook by Dan do Shang. I mean definitely I think Ultimate Guide to roids is better than the famous. the handbook the handbook by the end of Shame, you know what that's very famous bodybuilding. But but in my opinion, you know, what if Ultimate Guide the roids was out there, you know, I think a lot of fire under that lot of 502 Shane's ass with this Ultimate Guide to Rhodes is the greatest book that has ever been written about bodybuilding that shows you a road map of exactly what you need to do in order to attain your body building. Goals and dreams that you had when you first joined the gym that Vision that you had in your head ultimate God towards explains how you can get there explains how you can get there what you need to do exactly with nothing left out. It's the full truth. With no half-truths only full truth giving you the information and letting you decide what to do with it. Okay, you're an adult you can handle the Bucking information. So it's there. You know, I still have some people talk to me about book. Like I don't think you should be, you know, putting out this information or something don't you think that's like irresponsible and I'm like, I'm like, dude. They're adults, you know, we don't need to be like this isn't like bedtime story like taking care of you and like thinking, you know, like, oh, I'm going to make these decisions for you not to tell you the truth because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings. It's like you're a freak an adult. So if you want the information I'm not going to be like You know. Acting like some kind of douchebag. I'm just thinking you know what you're an adult here. next question Joe the pirate asks danlove the podcast I'm thinking about starting my first test see Trend cycle. What's your opinion on the best dosage? Oh, yeah, so 300 milligrams per week of Trimble own is the perfect first cycle dosage and a good dosage to run is basically the same dosage of testosterone. So to one or two cc's of testosterone sippy innate and then one or two ccs. Sorry, and then around around 300 milligrams or so of tremblin 3 to 400 milligrams with that because then you get the full effect of trend and you feel it. You know what this is what this shit's all about, but it's not too much. It's not like you're really pushing or anything. You just get the full effect and he'd be like, okay now I know this shit's all about but if you only do 50 milligrams every other day, so a hundred seventy five milligrams per week. It's not enough and you'll kind of like get like a little Of what trend can do but you won't get the you won't you won't be somebody who knows I know what trend is all about. I fucking felt the effects of trend you won't get to experience that so that takes 300 milligrams per week or more to experience that my advice on dosages domion asks human growth hormone or Metformin before cheat meal with the Christmas days and New Year's Eve. I want to eat out with family. I to enjoy the food with family good idea. That is super good idea because you know, you got to remember that you're doing bodybuilding to enjoy it and add happiness to your life. That's the same reason why you should want to have like a girlfriend or significant other or whatever shit too or just your friends all your friends that you hang out with you always want to be doing that to make your life better and to make you enjoy it more. So if you're doing bodybuilding and that's making you not be able to enjoy the Christmas holidays and the new year and Enjoying food with the family. Yo, those are like some of the best things about like life right there. Okay. So if bodybuilding is getting in the way of that then it's too much. It's too much for the normal guy if you've got a competition right there, okay, I understand that but for the normal guy, you know, you need to find some balance in your life because God damn that's like some of the most best memories of our whole lives is you know those Those holiday meals with a family and you know spending time together eating and doing holiday Foods. So, oh man, you got to do that. You got to do that. And if you're looking to limit the damage, yes right before you eat just you know taking a thousand milligrams of Metformin that will act as a filter on the food and a lot of it will just go straight through you without getting absorbed. So you just kind of like shit it out after chewing it and then growth hormone like It blocks fat uptake fatty acid uptake into fat cells. So if you take that after a meal, I mean it will prevent you from Razor blood sugar lot, but it will prevent you from storing that as fat. Another thing that people can see people do is like glycogen loading where they like take Anna drawls because you know and adults and so good at like loading glycogen or carbohydrate fuel storage in the muscle cells. So like she had I just stayed his cheek me like I've got a glycogen load and take an Ana draw. So those are some tips on on that also clenbuterol man, like 40 million 40 micrograms of clenbuterol per day that is so potent at preventing fat gain man. Clenbuterol is really effective at preventing fat gain. Power to the people asks HGH protocols and timing morning versus evening. Yeah, I talked about in the beginning of the episode how I do HGH. I've experimented with a lot of different ways and talked to a lot of other guys that experiment with different ways the way that it's secreted naturally is mostly when you're asleep. And your blood sugar is really low. So if you wake up to go to the bathroom in the night You can take a shot then. So it's like a really little needle, you know, if you already have it ready. It's just like poop and it's over in 10 seconds. So that's the most natural way to take it and it is a recovery drug. So and such as normally released in your body naturally at night. It's a good thing to take it at night another common time to take it would be when you wake up in the morning before you eat and another in time to take it would be after training since after training is when you need the igf-1 and the growth hormone in your blood to be helping repair the muscle cells and build new ones. So those are the times that people take growth hormone taken dosages in increments of 2 to 4. I use is fine. It's I mean even up to five I use would be like common common usage because People that take a vial of growth hormone per day, like sometimes those people take four shots per day or sometimes those people take two shots per day or sometimes, you know, they do it all in one shot. So just depends on what's their method of doing it. But yeah, that's how that goes. If you're if you've never used growth hormone before definitely start at a dosage of around 2 to 4, I use per day because if you started this There's more than that. You're going to get severe water retention and it's going to be really uncomfortable. Not not going to be a pleasant thing for you. Okay. So next question is from Horton who asks, I have a question for the podcast. There's a lump I've listened to your previous podcast fan of the show on this and have started Nova decks. And after two weeks is fading so a huge thank you for the info. Oh good. So he got some guy no, and then listen to the podcast figured out how to get rid of guy now and start taking Nova decks. two weeks ago and now it's A lot better. Okay. I want to start my next cycle once it's gone without any problems. So what should I take to stop this happening? Again Deca, maybe of caused it. I'm looking at doing 30 milligrams of d-ball for eight weeks 300 mg of Deco for 10 weeks 500 testy for 10 weeks. Yeah, so you got to take like an anti estrogen with your testosterone. So you got to take a room at X or X Ms. Down or letrozole and you got to take a couple of tablets per week on average. But some people have to take more and some people have to take less. So you got to fiddle around with your you got to fiddle around with your dosages on that till you find the right spot for you and how much estrogen or progesterone or prolactin that your body produces? Is from those hormones, so that's like troubleshooting that's troubleshooting getting that taken care of. I can help guys do that. If they do the one-month text message based coaching with me on Whatsapp. That one's $99 a month and on that I talk to you every day. So if you guys are looking to do some like really detailed troubleshooting like getting you know finding out how to use your AI and you know your prolactin and then like levels of other. Hormones in order to get the best quality of life and you know, I'm going to have to be asking you a lot of questions like, you know using my experience to ask you the right questions about how you're feeling during the day and you know optimizing these little dosages or fractions of dosages of tablets and troubleshooting finding different, you know, finding out more information as we keep working and then, you know after a couple weeks, you know, just because I'm very experienced with these things. You know, I'd be confident that we could get you in the Exact right ranges to be feeling the best. So that's something that we can do with them with the monthly text messaging coaching for this next cycle for you. Yeah, you're going to need to make sure to have cabergoline on hand before you start the cycle and to have a remedy X or X Ms. Tanner lectures on hand before you start the cycle. And yeah, you're going to need you know, if Arimidex or eggs messed and is not stopping the guy now, then you're going to have to put in the cabergoline at which is anti prolactin at point five milligrams or 0.25 milligrams twice per week. And if that doesn't work, then you're going to have to take out the DECA and then you know at that point. You should be okay on 500 test. So next question is from Magnus and this is the last question for the day. This is actually him kind of saying something to happen to him. So heading to Phuket Thailand this week to start my blast. I was on for six weeks when I first got here, but my doses were too low and I was just kind of feeling out AI anti-estrogen dosing and making sure my levels were good. So not much of a blast. I've been completely. Off for six weeks. And now that I know what doses I need I'm going to start test 750 milligrams per week 250 milligrams per week Deca and 30 milligrams d-ball for eight weeks then bump the testosterone up to a thousand milligrams per week for the rest of the cycle. Then he says I was expecting 400 test to make me super jacked but it honestly felt just like high dose of this arm lgd 4333. So he was kind of echoing what I've said that is the case. When a lot of guys, you know, start 500 milligrams of testosterone per week. He did 400 per week for a first steroid cycle because this was his first steroid cycle this guy and in 400 per week, and usually you have expectations about what steroids are going to do for you. So when you get on a Cycle of that light it doesn't it's not enough. It's not a threshold dosage to really meet those expectations. So that's why guys who start out with less than 750 milligrams of testosterone per week. As a first cycle. They're not impressed for the most part or you know, if they do start out with less than 750 milligrams per week and they do like 250 milligrams or 500 milligrams per week. They've got to like add like a an oral. Steroid in there or a second injectable or something to really be impressed and see what steroids can do for them because just 500 milligrams per week. Solo is always when you got those expectations of like oh this is what it's going to be like to be on steroids and then you get on 500 milligrams per week. It's like what the fuck it just doesn't give the right look. It doesn't give the right look you don't get like harder and more muscular doing that. You actually get like softer and you slowly get stronger your like more puffy and slowly get stronger. And you know, you probably get like bigger, but you're not getting like more muscular and like defined and chisel and like separation stuff like that. So it's a bit confusing at first cycle 500 milligrams test per week. It can be like what the hell is this is not what I was expecting. That's what happened to himself because like he's got it figured out now though because he's going to do 750 test 250 Deca 30 milligrams d-ball for eight weeks then bump that test up to a thousand. I think that sounds like Like a the rest of the cycle, I think that sounds like a good idea a good idea the lower dose t-ball 30 milligrams per day. Yeah, you can do that for eight weeks. Usually not going to be feeling any toxicity. If you do feel toxicity, like tiredness zero appetite don't want to train then, you know, stop the debulking if you feel that before eight weeks and then the 750 test with a 250 Deca and then later a thousand tests. Yeah, that sounds great. So with this cycle now, it's not going to feel like Hi does lgd this is going to be a proper cycle. And this is going to get you this is going to get you going straight towards the direction that you want to so just make sure that you're eating protein meals meals with protein throughout the day so you can't just be eating like once or twice and you know, if you really want to get big you got to throw in some not clean food. bodybuilder in Thailand out If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

TREN ACE VS GROWTH HORMONE - Why do Athletes & Bodybuilders use HGH Human Growth Effects ask questions for the show - https://steroidspodcast.com  ULTIMATE GUIDE TO ROIDS #1 BOOK ON TRUTH IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING https://bodybuilderinthailand.com/ultimate-guide-to-roids/ Daily Text Msg Coaching $99/month and 1 Hour Phone Call Consult $59 Send Email to inquire about Coaching to "Steroidspodcast@gmail.com" 0:00 What Steroid I Took Today 2:15 What a Growth Hormone Injection Feels Like 4:00 In the Golden Era of Bodybuilding Growth Hormone use was Widespread 5:35 How Long it Takes to Feel the Effects and See the Effects of HGH 6:40 Generic HGH Sexual Dysfunction 9:00 Trouble Shooting Sexual Dysfunction 9:25 Growth Hormone Causes Erections 10:08 Caverject Penis Injection for Pharmaceutically Induced Erection 11:55 Taking Growth Hormone Reminding you of Puberty Minus the Acne 13:40 Growth Hormone versus Tren 17:48 Endomorph Steroid Cycle for Cutting Fat While Being Big and Strong 19:00 Testosterone Dosage Increase Causes Linear Gains 23:00 Testosterone Dosage Required Depends on Bodyweight 24:50 Anadrol and Anavar Fatty Acid Oxidation in the Liver 27:20 Discussion of Foreign Brands of Growth Hormone that are 100% used in Hospitals 29:45 Counterfeit HGH 30:20 Norditropin Nordilet 30IU HGH Pen Experience in Pharmacy in Medellin Colombia 33:40 Blood Sugar Effects of HGH during Dieting and Calorie Restriction - Somatropin Dosage for Fat Loss 35:00 Competitive Female Cross Fitters use Anabolic Steroids - How They Get Around Testing While Laughing About It 38:35 Scientific Studies that say that Growth Hormone Does not Increase Muscle Growth or Enhance Performance  40:40 Broscience Discussion 41:54 Question about Traveling with Testosterone Replacement Therapy 44:38 Is it Normal to be Starving while Using Testosterone and T3 Thyroid Hormone 46:15 Cycles for Athletes that do not restrict athletic ability 51:00 Outrageous pumps when a Steroid Virgin 52:15 How to Get a Pump in the Gym (Real Talk) 56:00 Lighting a fire Under Dan Duchaine's Ass The Steroid Handbook 57:40 First Test and Tren Cycle Dosage 59:20 Christmas and New Years Eating while Being a Bodybuilder 1:01:20 Anadrol Muscle Glycogen Loading 1:02:00 Growth Hormone Timing and Protocols 1:04:20 Listener to the Steroids Podcast Solves his Gyno with Nolvadex 1:07:30 Testosterone Cypionate 400mg per Week First Cycle after Using LGD4033 SARM Cycle

Real quick. I recommend listening to this show on Spotify where you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free without a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every imaginable topic plus you can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever and whenever and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for optimal living daily on Spotify or browse podcasts in the Your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me. So you never miss an episode of optimal living daily. This is optimal living daily episode. Thirteen Thirty-One million dollar Mantra. Number one, stop worrying about what other people think by chalene Johnson of chalene Johnson.com and I'm just a moloch. Happy Saturday. Welcome to one of the only podcast in the world where blogs are narrated to you for free. That's with permission from the author's today's being chalene Johnson who I found out lives actually on this street, but sadly moved before I figured it out and also I figured that out after Her in person. So next time I see her I'm have to tell her she's super nice. I found out about her because she shared this show on her show. That's the chalene show. It's a great one always appreciate sharing if you share it with your friends and family, please do let me know you can tag me or at Old podcast, but I'll keep this intro nice and short so let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. million dollar Mantra number one stop worrying about what other people think by chalene Johnson of chalene Johnson.com If you're doing what's right, your intentions are good and they are well thought out you don't need to spend an ounce of your energy worrying about what other people think much less trying to convince people or when other people's approval if you know in your heart that you are doing what is right, if your intentions are pure and you're worrying about what other people think then you are not living according to your own rules. I mean, don't forget that most people generally speaking are pretty negative and other people's negativity typically isn't personal most negative people. Negative not just to you but to just about everybody and be completely honest. It's how they get a response from people how they make themselves feel important. And even when the situation does seem personal even if someone is insulting you directly it usually is less to do with you and a lot more to do with them other people's opinions are 90% of the time based on their own self reflection. So rather than worrying about pleasing people who quite frankly will never be happy or be happy with themselves just be you and live according to you. Stop working so hard to please these people make me a promise make yourself a promise to just do what's right know what your intentions are be pure about that and be honest with yourself and treat other people the same way you would want to be treated. Of course. I apologize if you hurt someone and especially if you know that you did something wrong apologize and move forward, but I'll spend a moment thinking about other people's opinions of you if you know you're doing what's right and you're doing not only Right for you, but what's right based on your principles and in accordance with the way you want to live your life promised to spend far less time on people who spend all of their time criticizing others be aware and be careful not to spend too much time or energy on people who are stuck aren't doing much. They don't have the type of integrity and priorities and persistence in the direction that you have. Remember it's okay to laugh at your mistakes because you're going to make them so don't worry about people pointing them out for you. Don't worry about perfection. There isn't a perfect person. There's so much more power in humility. And there's great courage that can be found in vulnerability. And why do I say that because you've got to be open to who you are and the progress that you're making and that sometimes means being vulnerable and it's difficult to be vulnerable if we're always worried of what other people think if you show me someone who's consumed with what other people think I will show you someone who's stuck they are typically uncomfortable to be around they are difficult to Aquos and they are certainly not very inspirational. We are all human and it's really hard to do good things. If you don't feel good about yourself, even if you're perfect in every sense of the word there is going to be a handful of people that will still find fault with you period and of subject in all places that more obvious than on Facebook after admit that from time to time I get distracted by this to our brain can zero in on negative comments and negativity my friend. Dr. Michaela. Cerrano says quote the Reason why this is it's not because we're necessarily attracted to negative. But we look for negative as a way to protect ourselves and quote. In other words. Our brain looks for danger. Our brain looks for things that makes us susceptible and because of that our brains are conditioned to notice negative. It's one thing to notice negative. It's quite another to engage in it and to give it energy. So from time to time, I'll have a thousand really positive complimentary comments on Facebook and then one negative. Really means sometimes even cruel comment from just one person and not only will I find myself wanting to engage with this person, but I'll see everybody else starting to engage with this one person which as you can imagine gives it legs and then the conversation turns from whatever positive thinking we were talking about to just a negative debate don't give negativity a platform and don't give it energy and the same is true of those people in our Lives who do the same thing. They want to disagree with you. They want you to feel a judge. Because they just want attention from you. Even if it's a negative attention. Well don't give it to them because when you give it to them, it just grows stronger promise me that in the next 12 months, you'll recognize that negative energy grows when you give it attention. So take a deep breath. Delete it dismiss it and just ignore it. You just listen to The Post titled million-dollar Mantra number one. Stop worrying about what other people think by chalene Johnson of chalene Johnson.com. A real quick. Thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership. Anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. 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Chalene Johnson shares why you should stop worrying about what other people think. Episode 1331: Million-Dollar Mantra #1 - Stop Worrying About What Other People Think by Chalene Johnson on Optimism   Chalene Johnson is a world-renowned motivational speaker with more than 30 years as a health expert. She is a New York Times best-selling author, health and lifestyle expert, and top health podcaster with over 20 million downloads of The Chalene Show. Tens of millions of people around the globe have transformed their bodies and their lives with her help, and her fitness programs have been featured in gyms and on TV for more than 12 years. She and Bret, her husband of over twenty years, are the founders of the SmartLife movement. Together, they have built and sold several multimillion-dollar lifestyle companies and helped countless people to do the same. The original post is located here: https://www.chalenejohnson.com/million-dollar-mantra-1-stop-worrying-about-what-other-people-think/     Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

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So I'm glad this is a podcast and not a video amazing and I'm super jealous that it's that it's summer there because I've been seeing lots of pictures of what you guys are up to and everyone's worrying like summer gear and it's very hot. Yeah, we'll say that Texas does not. Lie, when they say it's hot and when they're like, oh, it's a hundred out when they say a hundred. That means just just hot. That's a hundred equals disgustingly hot. Okay, because this inversion yeah be a bit hard because a hundred Celsius. Yeah willing so boiling water temperature, but it's what is yarn like about mid to high 30s? I think that's generally I just know what the are corn should be on in the house. Yet and then when it's really over a hundred outside, that's super hot. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah because you guys were planning on doing a lot of walking while you were there weren't you? Yeah. Yeah. It's very warm. Yeah, but Austin is a really cool City awesome. I would recommend it as a stop are really great food. Mmm, but it's a lot of like barbecue. Yeah, so like Smoked Meats tacos Because it's so close to Mexico Oh Mac deletions. Yeah. Have you been eating? Have you been eating? Well, you've been enjoying the Local 8. Yes. Yeah. Yes, definitely and lots of food trucks like food trucks. Actually, I believe I hope I'm not saying the wrong thing but kind of originated from this area. Oh really? Wow, I could have just maybe I've just given Austin something that they didn't actually have but now they started food trucks go with that what I heard so I had someone say it Yeah, well then it's fun. Yeah. So what who are you traveling with who you in Austin with so I came over with Scott? Of course my husband and our co-founder it teach data and our two little boys. So James is for and Lucas is 18 months old. So the jet lag was pretty tough particularly for Luca. He really struggled even when we arrived at so we got here by the time we had some delays and stuff like that without Our flights we got in about two o'clock in the morning and we walked out of the airport and like the he'd just be like just smacks you in the face is really hot. But yeah, the jet lag was pretty tricky for him. He's pretty good now, but it stays so light here until like it doesn't get dark to about 9 o'clock at night. So the boys aren't going to bed until late anyway, which is fine and then they're having a little sleep in ye not much to it. I'll take it. Yeah, so it's a really cool City. It's got a really cool Vibe and it's actually interesting enough. It's a sanctuary City. What does that mean? Basically, so if someone like comes over the Border, yep, they cannot be kicked out really. It's a Century City. So I found that out which yeah really interesting, but everyone has been so nice and friendly and like so open and We left our kids with one of our team members here sister-in-law and brother-in-law in their kids for a couple of hours. We went to an event and they will lecture bring them in so really kind so lastly all that is so nice. I'm so glad that you're having a great time and that they're loving you there as much as we love you. We miss you teach star, but it's really great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what is in like Austin Texas is the new tech hub In it, like it's kind of like we're a lot of tech startups located and it's kind of like the place to be so tell us about this loads happening actually ran to her another mum at the splash pad and a splash pad is basically just like but you know what the concrete where the water just kind of shoots up. Oh, yeah and kids run at the splash pad. Apparently. I love it me with her. Yeah throughout the splash pad because it's hot red talking to another mum and her husband and their just moved here from Washington because they are opening up an office is for Facebook here as well. But really so there's like actually we just went on this duct or you know, so don't do it like where it's a like a bus and then it goes into the water. Oh, yeah. They have one on the Gold Coast and we're duck Aqueduct. Yeah, so and on one of those and for the house of and I believe his name was Michael Dell who? Dell my gosh in Austin Texas moving and we also saw the house that Dennis Quaid used to own. Oh really in Austin, but also Sandra Bullock in Austin does she really? Yes. I haven't seen her yet. But I'm going to keep my eyes peeled. Um, try and act cool if I see her play it very cool. It's there's no try I would I would lose all chill if I met her but I reckon that I always think if I'm going to meet someone famous. I'm going to try my hardest. To be like cool, but I don't think I would I'm gonna try and play like the Australian kind of card. Oh, yeah, like I'm going to meet her. There's a lot of people here. Yes, but it's a big sigh ever dude. Ya you never know. I might just sort of like act a bit fast, you know. Yeah Ian talk. So she my God, I love your accent. I'll go Sandra. That is a good plan. Yeah. Yeah routing house and hang out of here. Here. Hey Matthew, McConaughey Connor. Hey that accent is an Austin Texas accent. Yeah. So Haley we're going to go to a Longhorns football game. Yeah, and he was a really big supporter of the longhorn. Yep, and apparently will he sits in a box? Yeah, we'll just be in the stands sweating it out. But apparently he puts his hand out and wave. So if anything I will see his hand. Oh wow. Okay celeb signing with Jill. Austin Texas is the new Hollywood now. Apparently we've just come over really to try and learn as much as we can about what's happening over here. But also to see if you know anything that we do in Australia because I really feel like our education, you know, if we've got teachers doing amazing things at home. So we've sort of just come over to see if we can learn anything over here. But also if we can Teach about anything that we're doing at home to that could be beneficial here. And so we really can't best AR and summer holidays at the moment, but we're going to go into some schools when they go back and just learn about how they do things and there's actually some really amazing like education technology startups have stuff that ideas that they're coming up with for apps and stuff are really cool. So we're really coming to sort of learn about that. See if we can You know take any parts that we think are interesting that potentially for teachers at home. And then yeah, oh my see what we can come up with such exciting things on the horizon for teach starter because we just launched our first app last year. Yeah. No it was this shit is incredible because yeah, like that's that's our kind of thing. And I know it's definitely of great interest to Scott to is he enjoying the edge attack kind of side of things over there? Oh definitely, Family, and we're actually just about to go to a conference tomorrow and it's actually in San Antonio and we're going to go this education conference. So basically we're going to really be able to just see what's happening over here. And what products they have you could be into us at home, too. So yeah, we're really excited by that and then we're going to a conference in Houston and guess who's going to be the who someone famous Mr. D my gosh. Oh my gosh. So jealous you bro. I know. Oh my gosh, I'm super jealous. You have to go photo get a photo. Yeah. It's a sites for me just to make me jealous. Just give me fomo me and my friend I'll introduce you to him one day. Don't worry don't thank you, that would be lovely. Sent for me. Yeah. Oh gosh. I can't I just can't you don't put me down. Yeah, so because the education conference is a stuff over there are like next level we have them here, but nothing like they are in the states. So I think the ones in places like in California and stuff like insanely huge and Scott actually came over to one for the technology side of things and there was like people talking about it was like the managing director of Netflix. So just huge huge and he said it was outrageous how big it was but so interesting isn't it? You couldn't even get through, you know a quarter of it in the time that you had. It was just that huge. All right. Well, thank you for keeping us up-to-date with everything that's happening in Austin. It's really cool to hear about everything you're doing and I want another update it very soon when you've been into some schedules. Yes. Definitely. I'm really Keen to see what they do do differently. And you know if there's anything we can And introduce that we do that they might be interested in. So, yeah for sure. Well, thank you so much for joining me via the magic of the internet today. Yeah. I'm going to go back out and sweat. Have a great day. Bye guys. Bye. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the buzz by teach starter. We look forward to bringing you next week's dose of teacher info until then just remember you've got this

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Welcome to not another Runner podcast a running and health-related podcast created by a run-of-the-mill. Yes pun intended every day Runner join me for all things running health and well-being related for the highs and lows of Life Training and chasing girls. This podcast is designed.Keep you motivated and enthusiastic on your journey to health and happiness. Every time I run I discover something new about me and about life be a reason why I run or a discovery of myself. I genuinely find gratitude through Runnin. I am able to stay healthy and fit through the execution of my passion, but furthermore I'm able to achieve peace presents growth and Discovery and I love to hear all your stories on how running has changed your lives and what it's brought to you. I want to connect like-minded people through the power of podcast.Hello and welcome to another episode of the not another Runner podcast and to episode 26. Thank you guys so much for all the lovely messages both me and genre have received in the past week. Lots of you've got in touch to say how much you really enjoyed that episode between me and John we had a very less formal chat together. It was literally a catch up. We tried a lot about John's recent.And Antics over the past six months and of course his current challenge that he is embarking on and that is the run and home for Christmas. He has already completed 55 miles in these first 10 days of December and the aim will be to run. I think it was 325 miles in total in The 25 Days leading up to Christmas and including Christmas day all for a brilliant cause and razing Money for Trinity Winchester to support the homeless. If you haven't listened to the episode already, please go back and listen to episode 25 after you've heard from James today. It is really good on fun episode. And if anything just to listen in to John hear him talk about his Challenge and how you could support him. It's definitely definitely worth a listen. So before we get on today's show, I just wanted to also say thank you to everyone. For the continued support. Thanks for keeping in touch. Let me know you're listening in and which episode you enjoy all the recommendations. I continue to receive and write in a message. Don't forget you can email me when you visit my homepage on Instagram. You can use the email tab and that's Sometimes the best way to put in a recommendation or if you've got a product or business or you want to be a part of the podcast you can message on there. That's the best. Way to get in touch rather than messaging on Instagram. So I also wanted to say a couple of shoutouts one big shout-out to Jess keep running who is currently training for Manchester Marathon just posted a lovely poster the day with some picture of her Frosty morning run and which said 40 Frosty minutes of easy running around the common listening to not another on a podcast which kept me And my first run up to Christmas miles challenge feeling motivated today and going to share as much of my journey to Manchester Marathon as possible. Happy months. Happy Monday Instagram. Thanks Jess for sharing that loved looking at that. I was very long in for a run looking at those photos feeling just a little bit envious. But so glad that you're out and you're enjoying and what looked like very lovely weather lot's of luck for your Esther marathon training hoping it's going well, and you keeping yourself healthy. Keep us updated on your training, of course and good luck to everyone else taking part in the run up to Christmas miles challenge. I'm not sure how many miles you were doing Jess, or how many people do tend to do. I've not actually done run up to Christmas before but if you are doing this challenge get in touch. Let me know. I love to hear what everyone's getting up to and what challenges you're taking on. Thanks also to No just in running is the handle on Instagram and the post was a it was a photo of here near club club members after a run and it was saying it was it. This is one of my reasons why I run morally running club is my home Club who I run who I am a run leader for the club is fantastic and they've helped me an unbelievable amounts of Destroying, so it's fantastic to be able to give something back. I love that post to thank you for sharing that. It's so true that it is great to give something back. So is lovely it's actually a really enjoyable experience to be able to volunteer or help in any way possible for others and what better feeling than being able to to run with club members. It's yes just a brilliant feeling don't forget you can share your posts using your reasons as to why you why you love running. And by using the hashtag white I run make sure you tag me in the post so I don't miss it and you and all your friends or Club could be mentioned. So today's guest is James, of course James shoulder and we had a brilliant child. I was so much fun. So I'm really excited that you guys get to listen to this James started running for years ago when he started getting into the gym to improve his Fitness and he was inspired by his friend who was training for a marathon at the time. So he signed up for a marathon to and this chat. We have a lot of laughs. We don't take things too seriously, but there's some great topics. Six in here, obviously do's and don'ts to Martin trained in a marathon race day as well as the girls that James has set himself and a couple of other deuce and terms. He's a talented Runner a brilliant character hilariously funny, and he's got heart gold, and this is a fun fun episode that you do not want to miss. So, please enjoy get in touch with both me and James to let us know that you've been listening. Thanks. Oh and welcome to another episode of the not another Runner podcast. Today's gas is none other than James akh older Runner despite working for a popular airline and subsequently away from home quite regularly and working long shifts in multiple time zones, James still manages to stay consistent with his training plan and train for marathons. James is part of the 1/6 front-runner team and an ambassador for Science and sports. Welcome to show James. Oh baby, baby blush already. We haven't even started. That wasn't that wasn't a long introduction either. That was just it was really nice. Thank you. I can't believe that were finally here like Third Time Lucky and I know they say, you know save the best allow some Third Time Lucky. Yeah, here we are. Wow. I mean we both we can pause if you want to go grab one now. I've got a big island spring bottle of water. So we'll leave it at that. Okay with that anyway, hey and I'm sure lots of people already know you James but in case they need to know a little bit more about you or for some people we need to have more. Yeah. Yeah, just tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do for all right, this question, I really do so high. Yeah. Hi. I'm Dave. Yeah fly around the world for a job pretty March and I just ride in my spare time pretty much been running the last last four years now and yeah that pretty much I'm so boring. So so, you know, that's pretty good. I am that slipped this to know when people like follow me and stuff to thinking why are you following me for what reason but it's just my stories is apparently just make people laugh. So we'll just go with that. Really. Yeah. Yeah and to be honest like when I look at you or I'm like, oh, you know you've done another race. I never think to myself like that. You're like still like a relatively new Runner because for years isn't that long? But like to me, you'll always see such an experienced Runner to me first. Yeah, I do. I think everything is so structured now for me as well to understand where Jordan and she's my coaches virus literally stick to plans and I'm so so so like make sure that I do stick to plan to have something to be accountable for really yeah. Yeah, I do but now I've literally 2006 what year we announced 2019. So yeah, it's summer of 2016 it all kicked off of me. Really? Yeah, but what made you what would what made you like want to put on your trainers and just go for a run there? And what was I I rejoined the gym because I stopped going to the gym. I rejoined the gym quite a little bit fat David used to say to me. You've got your Christmas boobs because literally at Christmas time, I caught a little bit movie and I was just like, oh my God, I need to get back in the gym, you know when you get comfortable in a relationship. Yeah, everything goes out the window. Is that so I started going back to the gym start to go back on the treadmill and I said to my friend Katie once I'm back in the gym and doing the treadmill and she goes, oh my God, babe. You should come round the park with me and we've got like Virginia Waters and if you've heard of it, it's a lovely park around. Sorry / Windsor. So I went with a run with her around the park getting it's like just over Four Mile loop around with her and then literally got a little bit obsessed and a fork to know what I'm going to do this again, because the thing is with me, I'm quite what I was quite shocked. I was running I used to hate. I hate the thought of running around the local area and people like recognizing me and I just hate that fought and fought in the park. At least I can hide so it's not going back to the park more and more and more and then slowly got obsessed with that and then I got talking to my other friend Carla and she was like, oh my God, I'm running the marathon. I was like shut up. I said if you come on it I can pledge about it. So I started like talking to all these different charities because I missed the ballot completely the 2017 and ended up getting spot with children with cancer, which was a fabulous. Try that raise money for And then that was it really 6 my fans down the line here. We are. Gosh, I'd let you literally had been running for probably six months then before you get under pretty much I did a 10K in the July and then yeah the 8 go after Iran London. I really wanted London to be my first mayor of it as well. Yeah. Yeah, really next it to be. You know what I was I was exactly the same as not weird, and I genuinely there wasn't going to be no other Marathon for my first marvelous know exactly and it has to be long Then like yeah, the hype the adrenaline the excitement. I was like it has to be London and they're now I've done it up Tick that box, but obviously we always put in the ballot don't we but I'm so so lucky that my company has like their own one group and they support the marathon and volunteering stint. So we manage the crossing. So the last two marathons I've been able to volunteer and stuff and that is just as fun and just as rewarding as well. So I always like to put my tailor win if I can yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and how did you so how did you train for? All that matters and I was there a lot of the you know, what was the majority of the training done just by yourself or with your friend completely blindly by myself. I went on Google and I typed in a novice little mouth and plan thinking how the fuck am I going to be able to learn so I got a little bit cocky and I found a little twelve-week plan and back in the day did if you've got remembered are used to do really like gay and flamboyant Meyer from plant. I used to like color them out get sticky card stuff like that and I did all that. So I just followed a really basic. Twelve-week plan and then manage to do it off did free 354 350 times though. I was so so happy. So happy that I just did it by myself head down got it done. And then you just focus on the next one, don't you? Yeah, that's it. Isn't it? That's a brilliant first time especially if you so I can say you said you'll train and you just did it blind in didn't know that that is a brilliant time, but I suppose like you just said you You went on there straight away to do another one you not happy. So thank Joe. Were you not happy with that time? No, I was I really really would but you know when you get a little bit cocky, yeah, I could have done better than that I can do is I can do that. I'm invincible and then I got in my head where I thought you know what I'm going to try and do two marathons a year and just try and improve keep getting better. Keep going about and I hate it when I say to myself. Oh, I don't run for time, but I do run for time and I know a lot of people Like what do they say Finish Line's not finish times or something like that and that's fabulous for you and that's amazing. But for me, I always want to be better at once I get better. So I always am always focusing on the next challenge. So yeah, just want to get my times down and just try and do two year and like because my job as well because I get to travel hell of a lot. I want to use my which chemical lab not a freebie, but you know your little perk so if I can travel around the world and run marathons as well, that'd be great. So try to 1 u k 1 and one international a year and I've managed to do that so far. So I broke the bank a few times that it's the only thing that keeps me sane. If I'm totally honest I was going to say like surely like to me. Okay, I've only done one so I can't I can't really have like a huge opinion on it. But like I doing to every year that's quite that's quite a big commitment, you know, you know she with you have staged this. Well, yeah, but you're always in a cycle like I'll come out of cycle have a month to myself, but then I go into it again. And with my plans and stuff because I'm a daughter as well or like you have like a rest month as such so you're not pounding the pavement every single day that you was before but you have a bit of a rest of the best for moment that I can't I can't bear it some tell you honestly, I feel like I always have to have something to be alien or something to be looking forward to as well. So yeah, the next challenge me now is Brighton. Yes try and get that elusive free 15. I so didn't get bloody Amsterdam was so upset. I would cry. I felt like a right tit massively bet what get there, you know. So for Amsterdam then that was your number six wasn't it was a 66? Yeah. So for you in the lead-up to that then how how was your how was that training cycle? Did it go to plan? I mean, you know, none of them go to plan. But how did it go? But this is a big headed like this was the best I could yeah that ever had like part Burns. I was smashing them out. Week I was getting so consistent with my part and some 20s. That's what I wanted to do this year. I've managed to hit some sub 40 in my 10K off math distances. I just getting stronger and stronger and better and better and better and when I got to that start line in Amsterdam our psyche 315 I can do better than that and just like my cocky ego came out and I thought you know what? Let's just go out as quick as I can and to see how long I can hold it and basically raced it how you shouldn't raise it basically, but But I thought rather dies see what happened and subsequently, it didn't go my way but I've learned that we always say this don't we launch so much on race day, but I genuinely have learned so much. I'm glad you know, that is true that have been they're just going to take it forward now just try and change it how it's going to happen in April, hopefully, yeah. Yeah, that's good because I when you were saying you didn't get your time you really sad and you'll cry and Etc. You didn't get the time blah blah blah. I just rinsed us basically. I was thinking though and this I use this approach so in like so often in life, I do remind people that like if you got your girl first time round number one, you're not setting your girl's high enough and number two so lame, but I think it came from Schilling Flanagan. That was really good. So credit to her number two. We was my number two. I'm going to just lost my train of thought and so number two was oh, yes. Yes. It's this. So if you hit your girl first, I'm around it wouldn't be as satisfying or as happy or you wouldn't be as grateful because it would be a little bit Bittersweet. Whereas when you do achieve it like second third fifth tenth time round. It is so much better of a feeling so true because when I did yorkshare back in October last year, I tried when I did London, I just wanted to finish it. I wanted to sub for I did it and then the left and I did borma from Paris. I was injured through those. I just wanted to sub 3 That's all I wanted. So when I finally hit it yorkshare you're so right. Like literally I felt so on top of the world. It was such an incredible unbelievable feeling like in my photos. You can just see me crying before I even hit the Finish Line before Oh my God, I done it. Yeah or very sacrifices. I'm not going out getting absolutely shit-faced has come down to this moment. Yeah, and it paid off its really paid off. Yeah, and it does it does when you do actually put yourself, you know, you know follow that plan consistently and like you say you're not Getting drunk. You're not going out having late babe. It's their world. They win it like what you do to go out on a Saturday night with the girls or just go to bed at 8:00 and just wake up the next morning without a long run. It's so hard to balance it. I did a bit of both I did when I was doing my Martha drink and live as well. But then you feel like still didn't bloody it it anyway. Yeah, that's it. Isn't it? That's it. I remember doing a 22 Mile run that and that was my longest. Strum in my my trainer and I remember when I when I finished that run and like being in mind I ran in three, I think it was four different towns overall in the country and someone someone message me to say, oh my God, I literally saw you in like three different town today like all throughout the day whilst I've gone for lunch gone forth. Oh God and there and then after that I went home and I actually felt like, you know when you've had like one too many like yes few too many and you're like you really hung over. Following day and you just can't eat anything you feel so sick. You just need to in the corner. Don't you? Like what am I doing? That's what I was like afterwards. I just couldn't eat or refuel like anything and then I went to celebrate someone's birthday and I'm still had to have a couple of drinks in few glasses of wine at a very late night. I think we don't get it but I think didn't go to bed till about three o'clock and I have it was sweet girl. That's good and right at this age 11 Connor care anymore. Yeah view I think. Sometimes like I do think we need to remind ourselves or some like it's not the be-all and end-all the yes, you know, you can try but like I think we have to remember to live as well because of my God. Yeah because we run for fun. Like I will never be mo Farah or never be a Paula Radcliffe unless I do shit in a bush, but I will never I will never be that elitist. You know what I mean? So just have fun and just yeah enjoy it. Yes, that's it. That's that's what we're doing it for, isn't it? It's just some loose the way a little business. So it's so easy to get lost in that as well completely, especially when you're like striving striving striving and you've had a run a successful run. So yeah. Yeah, and there's there's nothing wrong with being self motivated and dedicated. I think it's a great great great qualities to have. Yes, definitely but like you say just need to remember to have a laugh and have fun along the way really remind me remind me again. Then during March of next year. Yeah, when go out drink. Yeah, you know when you did Amsterdam, I'm wondering how long have you been under PMG Cochin for now? So a year now, we're going yeah, I say, mr. Daugherty of tear can't believe I'm pretty quick. It's gone to be honest. Yeah, of course because she did say I remember saying when I interviewed her that, you know, it was set I can't believe it's this time of year. They were and it was yes, honestly she is fantastic. Like she's so good. So so good with everybody within the team. She's motivating her teams of a team programs are fantastic and like they are so happy today when people say planned only personalized because they just stick your name on it, but it's so personalized to you as an individual and so tailored to you'd like with me. Everybody knows don't talk to me Landing days because I'm horrendous. So the neck the worst thing I want to do is then if I landed from a Johannesburg, whatever after a night flight do I want to go for a run apps? No, not and she respects that and Iraq had her left breast day on that day and stuff. So it really is tailored to you as an individual. Yeah, that's and that's a lot of work to do that. Hmm massively massively, but the proof is in the pudding because like my five k's and now down 10 K times a down like she helped me get my free free 16 at Manchester. Yeah. We were just saying how Jordan helped you and you achieve that tax. Yeah, so we've like yeah 316 to do performed consistently again and like I don't keep going on about Amsterdam so facts or fantastic time, but I just generated to get cocky and I remember that she messaged me on the day of the race because whatever you do do not go for a time that we've not trained you for and what did I do did complete opposites so snows the times that you're capable of yeah help you. Not jump the gun if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, and it's yeah, that's the thing isn't it? And I think Madison is such a long way. You've really got a lot out the distance respecter distant respect. Your training is all I'll say about that. Yeah, you never told us. How was the first experience your first marathon? I know you said it was 354. How did it go? Like did you did you struggle at all? Did you feel confident you feeling okay if I'm honest massive blur. Massive massive, but I went in yeah literally went in I think obviously like pain six seven or eight one of those ones and I just like standing around and just a sea of people and you know, you say I each other up you thinking. Oh, yeah. Look at you for fridge on your back. Look at you two to eyeing each other up and then literally the gun went and you just literally just go and like sounds awful again, and I don't want to like disrespect anybody that you know when you're like you've trained so well, you just suddenly think I'm in the wrong pain. Yeah, and I spent a lot of that race for me is a lot of weaving and I just wasn't I was in the wrong pain for my pace. So I learned so much that day in regards like making sure I was in the right pain, but at the same time when I first signed up for it, I wanted a sub force. I was in the right pain for us up for something friendly when you're training does go. Well you just improve in that time, but it was it was a great great experience at the atmosphere was fantastic. I thought everybody that I I need to stay so it was really really really good day. Yeah, and I think like if you have a charity space or competition plays you really didn't have a huge saying where your place of different zones that you've got the Bluetooth. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean runs a right at the back aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, and I mean you can go you can go back a pen be can't go forward a pair which is totally understandable. So I just rode I just rode it really just growed it. Yeah, it was a good day really good today. I think I got sunburned that day. Ginger's you need to make sure you wear sun lotion because you will burn this even if even if it's mild, even if there's one yeah, you can get you can get those son queens that lasts all day the sports ones. You can just smell it. Water content that is saying no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be careful with that. Hmm, especially if your sweat and sweat ones just as well not good how so you've told us you've completed six marathons already because you've done two years since that yet. That's crazy. Are you do you think you'll have a you know, you have a little bit of time off next year. We're going to still go if I don't know. I mean, I've got Brighton and I've got Chicago in the ballot. So we're going to see what Ins there so I don't know I'd just like to have something to aim for a like being in a cycle and like just having something to work towards and I think like it really does keep I know we keep saying mental health mental health. It really generally does keep me sane as well because when I was injured I wasn't running. Yeah, I used to get so I mean, I work in quite a high pressure job anyway with customers as we all know how that care best of times and you just need a release you need a break. They generalize need to do that frustration. Don't you? Yeah, massively so and it's and it's really weird that you're saying this because the the most recent episode that I've just recorded was with carry the running life of Curry and I love her. She's yeah, she's brilliant. She is so lovely and and is actually titled running to keep the crazy at Bay because she said that's what you know, that's part of why she like I loves to run chooses to run is for to have better head space. Yeah, I kind of agree with it more. I think it's brilliant. Haiti radios really is so you've done your fair share of Martin's now five more than a what what would you say are the biggest do's and don'ts are to train in and running a marathon. I would say definitely respect the training and don't think you're bigger than what your work while you're at the moment. You know, I mean, it's great to have goals. It's great to have aspirations. But if you want to run a sub free you've only ran Set free 45 well depends how your training is going to go really because you can never say never I've seen some fantastic and choose a Transformations on Instagram where one person ran something one year and the next year that time they've knocked like two and a half hours off which is fantastic. But I think you just need to know where your training is at and where it's going to go and if you have the time and basically the effort to commit to it, really yeah. Oh, yeah massively massively and just be prepared to make sacrifices. Syd I know that we joked about saying or you can't go out or have a drink or whatever but you need to be able to if you are going to knock it back absolutely fine, but if you've got to do a long run of 12 miles and legs day don't sacrifice it and don't play catch-up in the week because you will Tire yourself out hmm. You absolutely strength training is a massive thing as well because that's where I went wrong and I got injured or mathiason never ever ever ever again. Will I never ever strength train? Well, I never not strength train. Should I say because literally my quads completely broke and end up with one. Maybe because I was just not looking at my glutes and my hips. Yeah, it's like that so I was out like on and off for like six months and then when I run Paris Marathon that was just literally get round to get round get round. So that was awful. Really. Yeah really painful. It wasn't it wasn't a few it was more painful. It was more frustrating more than anything because there was one time I remember on Christmas Day. I really wanted to go to Park Friday and I just literally couldn't even run to the top of the road. She's like happy Christmas to me. And I know that people like always or forward. Yeah just awful awful awful. So I just like this and then he couldn't put his finger on it. I'm like I'm telling you. It's because come back in a week and we'll do this. I'm like, no babe. Tell me it's one is knee and start trying to get money out of me. You know, I need really well. Yeah. Yeah just have to do self diagnosis. Sometimes don't end up you're dying, but we don't need that in our lives right now. No, so Added up having to do a bit of self diagnosis, but I'm sorry of digressed again. Do's and don'ts of marathon training. Basically that really no strength train. Yeah, and obviously you need to respect your training respect the distance with Shrek respect placidly. Yes, just that it doesn't it? Yeah, you're embarking on something massive and you know, it takes a lot of training and it like you say it takes sacrifices. Yes, we joked earlier, but you do even if you you know, you you balance things out so you can still Lll go and see your friends still have a drink but you know, what have have to have to win angle homes still go to bed that water. You need to tell me that on Saturday nights because that doesn't mean anything to me. Well have another one will have a shot of Jager then we'll go on staying out all night. Yeah, but then are you in your like build-up phase are you in your block one like as in your endurance prep, so like where you can get away with that or are ya and I am yeah, definitely and I feel like sometimes it still is hard though because your best friend. De wever wedding. We've got this and you've got Yeah, that just like James your normal. Oh, you are not mouth. So what are you going to do? And I'd hate to look back and think oh my God, I did have a great time that night on my best friend's failure because you had this to do the next day. So it really is you need to like yeah yourself sometimes because at the end of the day, they'll always be another Marathon. That's right. That's so true always will be another Marathon maybe never met a night out and you'll always have memories from that messy now. Yeah. I am not I used to like Swap this is so bad for the coach because like if they spend hours making your plan I used to like because it was in training Peak so I could like edit the plan. I'll stop did. Yeah, I did I did a couple times but she didn't mind because she was like, yeah, I know that works. That's fine. As long as I wasn't like, you know put into you know, speed sessions nitrogen excretion. If I did a sensible swap from like a Saturday and Sunday run around so I could do the the major one on the Saturday then still go to that evening out and then the easy run on the Sunday then. It could work within reason but yeah, but yeah, I was like and I think that that's a good example of like fitting it all in is looking and sometimes you you know, if you're not tied into a big, you know major plan. If you've got your own plan you've you know, you've printed from one line you can swap things around is not the only other definitely at the same time as well. Listen to your body as well if you are Yeah again, or if you have had a really stressful hard week and you just can't fit it all in because you're so knackered don't go out that 5K elements do doesn't matter. It's not going to hinder anything because it no God. No really isn't. I mean when I ran Paris, I think only one the most of 18 miles and I still got round. Yeah wasn't the time I wanted but you still get round. You just have to adjust your goals. Really, don't you? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And did you know when you had that injury where you did you have Private health insurance? No, no. Wow. This is another thing that tipped me over. So we're gonna test went to the doctor's I was like, hon, I need help. This is the situation because I will put you in because I really never knew what it was for is it runner's knee and then I was thinking what actually is it so she goes will put you in for an x-ray. So what month are we in now November 2009 T. This happened April? Well beginning of last year 2018. I'm still waiting for that appointment. Yeah. This is it. This is where I'm going to jump in and say this is a bigot. This is a huge do if you can and get some Private health insurance, not you, but I know because I'm paying the price for it now quite literally with my chiropractor Sasha and me a fortune and like I'm so sorry that I didn't didn't pay it now because it's only like you can get some really good ones like sympathy card. Yeah or a 20 pound a month and then you know, if something does happen God forbid, you've got an injury at least for that quarter as well. Yeah, and you've got results sooner as well and also helps it frees up that we don't have to go to our NHS as well. So exactly exactly also it was MRIs if you can go online as well, I think in London and I think there's some clinics around the country as well. You can pay for an MRI there and then it is dead pricey. I think it's 250 or something. Don't quote me on it. But if you get your results there and then see if you can afford to get it done. Yeah getting down just for a peace of mind. Yeah. Yeah, but then I again and I've definitely you know paying this price because I've I paid a fortune Alberta chiropractor. Mmmm. There we are. We live and learn don't we we do we do but the NHS does do a fabulous fabulous fabulous tour absolutely just a shame that we have to wait after way and another thing back to the whole mouth and thing and do and don't obviously Instagram fantastic platforms. Don't compare yourself. Yes. Yeah, if that's not the road is going up to 20 miles and Sunday. Don't make sure that you have to go out for 20 miles on Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. That's so true time was and everything so hard. So hard comparison is the thief of joy as they say babe. Yes. The only person I compare myself to is myself exactly cancel my this time this time last year. I was like super uber fit perfectly. Whereas now this year. It's just literally like since May it's just take an absolute nosedive. But you know what, it will return in January. It's always lovely. Will it matter and like you said earlier you will be so grateful for it tastes so much better when you are back out. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I can't wait SoDo. How are you managing to juggle your training Cycles your training because you are you are committed you are self-motivated even if you do have a party here and there and obviously with your schedule. It's not you know, it's not your normal working part-time and I am it must be really difficult. So I'm I don't know like how do you do it? It's I don't know I think because I've been I've been flying 10 years next year. So I've always He's been in this environment for spacing and stuff like that. So I've always been able to juggle my time and stuff like that and quite I'm quite lucky in the respect that if I do a long-haul, sometimes you don't report until like the afternoon so you can get up in the morning get your undone. And then when you're down Rue you can get up in the morning and then you fly home that same day. So it's kind of good. I have a lot of time but I don't have a lot of time if you know what I mean. Tiredness is the most eggs. Well, it is exhausting. That's the most hardest thing. I do tend to deal with because if you do a night flight home sometime. If we are lucky to have bunks and board you can have an hours sleep two hours sleep and you have to get up again and crack on with the flight and the work and stuff. So Landing days. I really tough for me. So back in the day when I didn't have drawed and I didn't have a plan or a personalized plan. I'd have to go out and do seven miles and Landing date and that was really really hard. But I somehow managed to do I think is when we were younger back in the day when we were younger, but now it's just because now I've got Jordan, she's great. She can she can do that for me, but I just think it all comes down to Me is how much do I want it? How much do I want to see free 15 next to my name on Marathon day. How much do I want to see sub-20 on parkrun day? I think that's all it means to me is results results results. Yeah. Yeah. That's how we get through it. Really? Yeah. Oh you are so dedicated and but at the same time I take my hat off to you guys like Monday to Friday or your office jobs or stuff like that because when we have ground days, I mean in like the training center at like 8:00 and I finish at 4, I am why Like I don't know how you guys can be in an office environment or whatever type of environment that's not what I'm not do I don't know how you do or you get up in the morning when it's pitch-black we go home and its Pitch Black. It's like I take my hat like people children as well. Like how they do it. Everyone is fantastic it just like finding the time and getting the motivation to go out and get it done really it's nice that we all have that same drive to get out as well. Yes. Yes it is and it's like everyone's reason to So Different. Yeah. That's my cue to saying you know, you are motivated you are dedicated and I ask everyone. What is your hashtag? Why I run? I mean we did mention earlier. It does keep keeps us sane. But if you got any of them that you want to say, I don't know really I think a bit of it when I was younger as well typical little story when I was younger, like obviously I was shit at sport. I was not popular with the boys in regards to like sports and athletic. Stuff like that and basically sometimes I look back and it's there for two finger to that little situation when I was younger because I am good at something now and I like to make sure that I am still striving and still performing work around still doing good. Basically to say that I am I am good at something because really I look back and I think I wasn't very good at anything really and now I found my Niche such it's nice to have something to go out and work hard at and Perform where that really? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And yes you are. You are good at something and I hope that you are and you were saying when we were asking about we when I was asking about do's and don'ts to Martin training you said about not appear to others. So, you know, obviously the Instagram platform is it is a brilliant place for support and motivation. It's great. And obviously you started documenting all Runnin Journey over on the platform. How did come about initially like when did you start to do keep it Anonymous or did you tell your friends and family? So was I had a normal Instagram account and then I just started running and I start to like put photos up on Facebook and stuff like that and like people I'd have like people say to me I'll she's gone another ran or all she's done this and I'm thinking I'm not attracting the right people that I want to attract and when I want to support me in this journey is like to think and I started follow a few Runners and Instagram and just throw the platform and the messages and the inspiration and like you were saying they were giving out of four to know what I can do something a little bit like this. I can give my only little turn of events as well. So I just set that up and that was in October 20. Yeah 2016. I set that up and literally it's just gone from there really and I was very open about it my friends still with me for it now really, but they've seen how you get on. That only comes Toto runaway found around on my shop shop. I feel like I feel like I've managed to like put positive messages out there on behalf of me and I feel like managed to motivate a lot of people like specialist lying as well. There's a lot of people out there that want to stay fit to Unruh or have something to do and I just say just come for a run with me or if I get on board, they'll be like, oh my God, my friend knows you she follows me on Instagram. She says you're a runner. I said we just come for a run with me then baby. You know, I mean, it's not to be fast enough to be slow go you're around. Pays and a lot of people have taken up running purely because of my Instagram page which is quite nice to hear and to see really yeah, so that's that's crazy. So you're right part of the cabin crew and you have people on Fight that recognize you yeah. Oh my God heck is what lady come into the galley ones? I don't know if you're listening to this was gonna go bad and she said, oh my God, I follow you and I'm like, oh my God, this is so exciting. I've never had this happen to me before but I'll never forget I did the winter run this year and this lady came up to me. She goes, it's like meeting. Reborn, I was like baby cries. If you're comparing me to Gary Barlow was mortified the same time but it's like I'm the Gary Barlow of running. Thanks. That was that funny. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Yes, I'm crazy. But now it is great. It's a great platform. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that's funny that your friends will take the mick. Well, they do they really really do and then I was going to change my name and a fourtner, but it's so far away. Exactly all these new people that come up to me. I'll do you one with your shoulder that do you unlock a crap. I said know who is my surname everyone thinks I'm run with my shoulders sideways and that if that's how we can finish me running then that's down to you doll, but I was like, I found it funny that is funny. That is funny. Yes. I can't ever your friends taking the mick out of you are the is this both female and male friend to know what I don't really have a lot of boyfriends. I'm literally Always been friends with those really always been friends of girls. My boyfriend rips me for a hates me being on it all the time all the time. Sometimes have to like literally my phone upstairs because you do just end up. It's just scrolling don't you? I think we do that with everything though. I think like I think unfortunately this day and age like these people devising. These apps are very clever. Oh times Ted. Yeah, absolutely and it's the lights. It's the it's the The notifications a little red heart. I think it just draws you in there's something you know, what they can be very interesting when they take the likes away. Mmm on Instagram just to see how ya gonna be as obsessed with it. I mean I used to be really upset and obsessed when I wouldn't get to a certain like on the photo and that's when I thought you know what it's not all about that James anymore. Do you know what I mean is about you and I used to always get bummed about my God. What's my post about today? Two people one hearing about today and I've got I've got one message and it was just like you're so like repetitive in your posts and I just really wanted to put two things up. Yeah, some say well darling, you know where the unfollow button is to know where mean to me. This is still a bit of a running diary and I still post my daily runs on stuff like that. And if it gets if it gets the attention it gets the attention but now I don't do it for that. Yeah, just do it for me really, you know, if you want have a read fabulous if you don't know crack on I think it's hard because I think when you when you started like you have and it is a running diary you continue with it and it is for you the main purpose and you would support network that you've got from the platform, but it can be difficult when people have started to props follow you and you've got people messaging you or you know, there's a lot of people on there and it can be really hard because you kind of want to share stuff with the friends that you've made in the network that you have when you surround yourself, you know, that's supportive positive net, but it can be it can Be a little bit frustrating them because there are other people that have obviously joined but I think like you just said, you know, it's remembering that that person can inform didn't want them. Yeah, but it couldn't be because you have a self up to you know for people to to following know about you know, your story exactly and if they if you put yourself this is what I say to people as well like there's a lot of criticism and some people can say comments about you that you might not want to hear and you might want to read but like you say you put yourself Off out on that platform and you are going to be judged. Yeah, you put yourself out there and that's going to be talked about. Yeah, absolutely depends how you take it. Yes. Yeah, really really is mean 99.9% of everything. I've come across in its account has been positive and everyone I've met has been so lovely which is in so so so so nice so, I mean, I can't really say a bad word about it. I have seen the now must be tired of it as well. But like you say, it's how you take it, isn't it? Yeah, and I do see it on other like Pages as well and I just yeah. Massively massively. I mean I've read some things about myself this week, but it is just how you take it and it's over the head over the head. Yes, and then just put your shoes on and go for a run. Absolutely over 40 met your dancing shoes. They're like, yeah. Yes Chillin hand-powered definitely. So what has been your favorite rice memory over the years then I don't know, you know, there's been so many and I feel like the one for me have been the ones where I've done what I've set out to do. So like Manchester was an amazing amazing day amazing day. There's a video with Jordan. He's got a bloody tambourine thinking she's Beyonce. She comes running out the crowd perhaps my hard to like take me out that last two kilometers and that was an amazing moment for me. I think you ought to share will always be one of my top. Could be one of my top moments to be fair when I read. I just saw that clock and it was like 327. I just like bawling all the way down there start-finish line that will always be something for me as well. I think yeah if you just may need them to because I feel like with a matter of food, you act like we said you sacrificed everything for six months however, many weeks and you only get one shot at it and I think when it doesn't go your way, it's really heartbreaking and when it does go your way. It's such an amazing thing to like celebrate and stuff like that because with a 5K Okay, if it doesn't go your way you can always go next week aren't you? Yeah, that's it is it's a matter of fact and you can't you've set. Yeah. Yeah everything aside these One race that you will only do once a year or once in your whole entire lifetime. So I think every Tino I think every every man - I think is always going to be up there for me like Paris again. I never thought I was going to get around with this knee, but I managed to get around and even managed to get PB or any by minute. I still managed to do it. So I think that was an important race for me as well. But yeah, I think I free every little race really are the same thing so much riding on the marathon. Like you say you you literally dedicate commit to six months to it come back and do it again. Yeah you did you, you know, like a 5k couple of weeks. To break their pay and you're good to go again. But yeah, exactly and I just think that's what's so awful about Marvin as well because like you can have the most amazing cycle and then you wake up and it's the most horrendous heat-waver you've ever experienced in your whole entire life completely ruins the race that you wanted to have. Well, you forget your breakfast. Yeah all like me. Nobody did this. Yeah. Yeah. How did you manage to forget your breakfast baked Donuts that and Tesco bag when I got a window sill? So I was like Mom I said is this a joke was so upset. So what did you do? I just had two bloody Bagels playing Bagels as a little satin bed crying into my black coffee thinking. Oh my God, my roof is ruined but you just have to make do don't you? Yeah, that's it really tastes but I completely cut you up there Vapors you going to say? No, I was just saying yeah, that's what I get. You get a heat wave forget your breakfast. Like you said you could be L like me I had a bug which you just don't know like if anything can happen on the day. Yeah. So RB just have to just make do don't you? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. So, what about this this year? And next year? I know we spoke briefly about some events that you might well not this year because obviously we're coming towards the end, but you might have to scary. How is it how is it? That's Mom. I know next week is the next week. Yes. Next next. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah crazy. So what are your next big girls or achievements that you were so I think obviously got Brighton in April and I think I'm just literally taking everything back taking everything back to basics because I just desperately want that free 15 if even if I do free 14:59 a desperately want that so that is my Big Goal moving forward and obviously I've got hopefully Chicago in October, but we find out that on the 12th of December. It's at the election day as well. Yes it is. Yeah, so that's a big day for all of us. What about the ballot back day, but I don't know because I don't get in me and my own little running girls from work. We don't know whether we're going to do Philadelphia if we don't get in that's a great idea Mike, but then my friend Ellie she's just been in Vegas and she was there for the Vegas Marathon. She just happened to be there and she goes out looked fabulous as well. So now I'm like, what do I do? Do I not go to Philly and do Vegas and said, I don't know. You know when the Philadelphia in Vegas what time of year they then similar? Yes. Oh, October I think is that I think to know I think it's end of October beginning of November Vegas was last weekend. It's one of those rock and roll once you know that all your fabulous event. Okay. So Vegas was last weekend. That's like so mid mid November. Yes. It's a great time to learn. I have six or seven months in between them both like Bryson and the next yeah, so that's what I'd like to do. But then obviously with the house I'm going to be so like what do I do? I'm going to be so broke. Yeah. This is a this is it and you've got one fingers. Yeah, you do have to make her wear. I'm realizing now as I'm well seem to be agent quickly circumstances in life, and I'm realizing. Oh, no genuinely now James is it's really fast. I'm like, okay, so I can't do that race can't do that race can't do that holiday, like literally like this. Okay. What are my God? I know what you mean. Yeah, do we redecorate the bathroom or do we go an American? Holiday is hard? Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking like all of mine are going to be local next year unless I went ahead and like no I mean because I was only looking at some of sorry keep cutting you up, babe. No, it's okay you carry on no because I've been I'm looking like abandon. I've heard really good things about Abington as well. Haven't here disaster in the UK. Yeah, that's me UK. Which ones have you been looking up? Well, so, you know New York Marathon like guys I really want to do when I was in New York in January and I would love nothing more than to go back. I just think I just love for this a fantastic City a really really is it'll be and I've been there twice now, but I I'd love love love to go back and so, you know next year is the 50th, New York. Yes. Did you go for the palette then? Well, I was going to but because because of this house moving house change. I was like no I'm gonna have to be satisfied. I've got the money to do it. So and I think close them. Well they did they opened it for like 50 hours for people to enter and basically they were going to announce 50 entrance. And then if you were unsuccessful, they would put you back into the general ballot in the new year. So you've kind of got even though like you haven't because they're still drawing the same number. Yeah, but at least you know earlier so you can put lights and whatever I am still debating entering it next year is just trying to work out. Can I it's money, isn't it these that's all it comes out. I'm in Chicago hundred and eighty pound God. I knew this is what I don't get air like a bird obviously World major. How come London 39 pounds and then you've got Chicago and yet New York how they like so And so yet they're under the same umbrella. Yeah State and that goes down to the hosting 50 and Country, unfortunately, and that's the other thing. You know, I think New York is actually 214 or something ridiculous something. Yeah, so I'm not sure. I mean, I've I'm gonna have to relook and revisit. I think to be honest with you, but I did enter long time ago this summer an ultra from may start with me baby. Good luck. I'm there's ones that one. And it's just a small local one to me and in Wales. So it's called Saint Agatha turds - so it's like about an hour away from here. So not too far but it's quite a few of us from my club doing it. I would be nice. Yeah, and like all ages all of us ladies all together. Just walking jogging lots of snacks on the way and it's no pressure. No pressure. That's what you need. And if that's if that's the route you want to go down. What a lovely first visual first Ultra. Yeah. What a nice it once like get you into. - well Dad, yeah. Yeah, so when I'm not sure whether because I think London Marathon would be the week before that event. So I think a lot of the girls that all kind of like well, I don't really want to get into the ballot this year of of all years because now we signed up to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see it's hard decision to make isn't it? Like is it really really is and then like things and circumstances change all the time over time? They really do they Ali but the thing is with running I say this to people like me and board or type they're like in their late forties early fifties. I know I could never mind I think running is such an inclusive Sport and I think running is such a forever sport. So I'm going to look after yourself. You can run forever and ever and ever I really do believe in that because they said the average marathon is like between 45 and 55. Yeah. We've got a years on them. Yeah. And as long as you continue strength training with good, oh my God times 10. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah bring it up Bob. And those squats and everything is your best friend. Yeah. Oh, I'm just thinking I'm so far. I'm supposed to be in my gym membership to know what I did though. Get yourself Tamsin. I got myself my you know those steps with the little box things. I got my own step and I went are ghosts but my own bar by then everything's finally like buying houses. You can't have anything outgoing Kenya because it's go through your space your union your expenditures, didn't they? So I bought my whole little things. I just need to do that in my back room for like that. Our six seven months. Yeah, and it is and if I think Dan and if you think about it is actually quite a kind of a think the weird escapes me now, but it is a good money saving hmm thing to do. So I'm like maybe I Look to do that. Yeah, definitely and then like you belong or can't be bothered. It's only downstairs and your back room, babe. Yeah. I said there's no excuses. No, excuse whatever you say that I still put it off. But once you get going, you're fine. Yeah, it just got to put a good good music on. Absolutely. Yeah. We where do you see yourself now and five years time, you know, we were just saying about like yeah, we got using running or life. You know what you can however you do that because don't go running some good life and I like both because I do like really don't know though, if I'm totally honest with you, so I 28 and 31 to 33 year old beefs carries that I honestly don't know I'd love to still be fair healthy. Ali still running doing what I want to do. Yeah. Maybe you have the majors all done. I'm not sure but like you said that it's such an expensive goal. I'll probably will still be flying. I still be pushing a cart until I'm 80 this Ray by techno, really? East one of these questions to get in the interview you don't you like though. I want to be CEO and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's know. I don't know sometimes I'm still happy. I've got a good relationship with like running. I can still balance it good relationship right food and drink and family and friends then I'll be happy really I'm very easily pleased. Really easily glue. So I don't know really I'd very much take each day as it comes apart from like goals of like math and training my lights have something to aim for but day-to-day and I have just take it take it as it comes. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't like extra pressure. Do you know what I mean? No, that's good. That is good like that. I like that a lot of my friends still aren't married. So we're still in the same little Sailing Boat. Yes fine. Yeah, it is. No is really good to take it day by day and just enjoy, isn't it Nick Cause I feel like if you are why not marry at 32 if you had a lovely life so far. Yeah. Well, there's no pressure that you know what I mean so long as you're happy happiness is so important and I know we keep going on about mental health and everything else like that. But ultimately you're the only person that can steer that ship and if you're happy then fuck everyone else. Yes. Yeah. Now that that you know, what you've just said like that is a good point like doesn't matter if you haven't done a b or c, you know exercise that if you're happy then who cares exactly so long as I've got my little dog, I'll be fine. Yeah, I love that. Well, that's brilliantly. Okay. So this I asked everyone there so I know we've done and don'ts to Marvin training. This is a good this is easy. So you don't need to just three tips that you would give to anyone getting started in running and or marathon training. Free tips on what I would do is what I when I first started to do then is look and Research into training plans know what your strengths and your weaknesses are in that respect is what I know what you can commit to as well. There's no point in getting a training plan and you're going to have to try and do six runs a week when you know, you can't run six times because of other commitments and stuff like that. So I think know what yourself getting what you're getting yourself into. With your plans go and get your gate checked because if you are completely new Runner and you just wearing a pair of trainers out of ten years old, they're not going to serve you well go and get your gate checked. I know sasak stores have been done. We can go to Runners need or other little shops running local running stops. Just going to get your gate chats, and they'll be able to say if you're an over pronator underpaid a neutral whatever like that. So they'll be the best people and just have a goal have something to aim for so if you are Marvin Drake will see you Look at a marathon training you haven't got a Mac and ultimately trained for but we don't have to start big even if you do couch to 5K. That's such a great age. I've got so many friends. I've known have done couch to 5K and then they've just gone on from there. Really? Yeah, but just don't be afraid to like get out there and run because there's so many people that are like it never run. How do you know you can't run? Oh, I could never run a marathon. How how do you know you could never run a marathon there all the time. I don't be so hard on yourself is are Jessica. Which side I just go out and even if you just want to the top of the road, you know, I mean just tell ya just get yourself down part for on. I'm such a great advocate for part one like a literally love parkrun so much just case. I found up run even if you just like walk around it. You're going to see how inclusive part fun is. Not only just part one how to Lucid the sport and running is because everyone is that all walks of life races sizes. It's just amazing to see like General Community spirit. Between everybody. Yeah, that's so true. And it is so inclusive and it like you say, it doesn't matter even if you do walk or if you walk it out. So what the devil's yeah, exactly and leaving and in anyone can do it as long as you are committed you put yourself to that challenge you can clearly and don't let one bad rotten tip you over the edge because I've had so many bad barrage of I'm never running again. I'm never doing this. I'm never doing that. Papa sleep have a cry get you a pair of trainers on again the next day go again. I can tell you that of completely different experience. That's so true. So true like so now we come along too. So my take on personal bests, so I'm going to name two things or situations and you've choose which one you like best. So and Speedy because it's a PB. So, it's your personal best to you what you learn. Okay, so easy or Tempo runs What if I had to choose? Yeah, do you know what I completely changed my way of training? So I would say easy ones now because when I first started training, I'd always run fast all my runs with Tempo runs. I'd be funny that's know that their marathon pace. Yeah. That's right. Yeah can't be doing that and gents. This has gotta be Speedy now. I'm naming all of these and you've got to be fire ball quick on worldwide. Yeah, like watching an explanation. I like hey, I'll get it now like word association the first come it's you know, this man runs, you know, John Flynn he calls it this or that so I give you 2 and then your name which one you prefer why things aren't really sorry. But okay. So here we go. Okay. Okay. I'm ready. I'm in this - Martha. No, 5K mmm. Oh marathon music or podcasts to run to or want to be controversial and say neither. Oh, yeah, but I'm gonna have to interrupt now and just say do you work when you're running alone? You just run with no front of my own. Yeah, it's just me me myself and I mean Beyond so just running along side by side. Do you know what before I used to always run with music and music. I would find with always dictate my Pace. Yeah, especially if Mixer on honesty get lost or whatever. Yeah, you run faster and stuff like that important now because if you're running an event where there's no music allowed. Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to be used to it. Are you and then with podcast totally get it as well, but I just like to get lost in my own fault because when I did Amsterdam well to be fair around Manchester ran the first Mile with music and the headphones broke and then that for me was the biggest test because I had no music and I ran the whole race with nothing but my thoughts and everything. Cars like that. So that's a great endurance test for me really just to run hearing your breathing which is horrendous is it is just getting it done. That's right. We've completely gone off the PBC. I just thinking like I always always listen to music when I when I when I can't listen I because I know a lot of people listen to podcasts a lot of people message me to say in there listening on there while they run it and I love that and I huge podcasts keep like I listen to podcasts. All the time, but if I'm running I can't I can't do that. I've got to listen to music and I can't train with no music. But how do you know but I've done it before and it's not as enjoyable. It's not it's I can do it. But but when it comes to a race or an event, I don't need my music. I don't need it because I'm because I'm and I'm actually okay with that and you run quicker. I suppose it depends but never Italian in there as well within their really. Yeah the It is and I like people like a lot of friends who run with music like well, how do you do that on a race day? Like if you always train with music I might because I'm so used to racing without headphones. Like that's if I had have headphones at the start line. That's just a stress and worry. Yeah, like so true nothing around with headphones. No, we had a strange and okay. So my final question to you is and I don't know if you will have prepared for this. So this is going to put you on the spot now. Who would you love to listen to on this podcast? Oh. Literally anybody in the whole entire world. I mean, yeah, they've got to be like living could it be because you could say who you'd love to run with like Dead Alive famous well-known famous, but because this is cut like even if it is quite like out of the out of the ballpark and you know what the odds of them coming on the show, but what to be some element of all maybe one day maybe one day. Do you know who I really am obsessed with and I literally found girl her all the time. It is all about Cliff. Yes. She is amazing, and I think I've seen So many or Franco everyday Runners bumped into her braces. They've only ever said good things about her and I think yeah just comes across a dead normal. Yeah. Yeah always up for a chat are always up for a laugh. I'd love to have a little run with her and I would listen to her with you. Yeah, I mean I do ya know I love her as well. Absolutely. That's pretty cop out on so really in it. No. No because I think someone else's I think she'll smile said Paul about cliff. Oh did they say I can't remember there was one quite famous person and I was like all the odds of that happening are very slim. You never know. You never know. Maybe five years time. Yeah, exactly Never Say Never baby, but honestly everyone that you've had on this show so far has been fantastic. And like I said, she well it was so nice to listen to like everyday people having their own like goals and aspirations and just seeing how people just get it done. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds so nice and so refreshed shaking it is it is it is What it's been lovely speaking with you James. Thank you so much. Are we signing off? We are now for today. I got another one to do one. I'll do you really yeah. I have another one again in the future and what we will we thank you guys so much for joining today and listening to not another Runner podcast. Please tell your friends and family who you think would enjoy the content. I'll be sharing. Don't forget you can get in touch with me over on Instagram by are not another Runner. Let me I know your thoughts on the podcast any suggestions on guests or topics. This is greatly appreciated. Send me your questions through as well if you want and use the hashtag white I run to be featured and hey, if you can't hit subscribe to the podcast, this will really help me to be able to give you more. Thank you again, and remember when you get up and exercise or go for a run. You never regret going, but you always regret not go in. Have a great week guys and speak soon.

James started running four years ago when he started getting into the gym to improve fitness, and keep in shape. Inspired by his friend, who was training for a Marathon - he signed up for his first Marathon just six months into running and went on to Run London Marathon in 2016. James has run 6 marathons to date, and he tells us in this episode what works for him in Marathon Training, including the do’s and don’t’s to Marathon Training, and Race Day. We talk about his progress in the Marathon, and his ability to be self-motivated and the goals he has set himself. We talk about the importance to enjoying life, and not taking training too seriously, and how brilliantly inclusive Park Run is - and why we ought to get down to a Park Run. Mental Health and well-being is a strong topic in this chat, and James reminds us how we are the only one truly responsible for our own happiness. James, not only is he a talented runner - but a brilliant character, he is charismatic, hilariously funny, and has a heart of gold - this is a fun episode, not to be missed! Links James Shoulder aka shoulder_runner https://www.instagram.com/shoulder_runner/ Natalie - Not Another Runner Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notanotherrunner/ Blog: https://notanotherrunner.home.blog/

It's time to change how you think all of our thoughts all of our beliefs all the things that keep rolling around in our minds all day are a result of Impressions Impressions that are made on us by other people by the news by social media by our friends by people that we think are authorities or experts on the subject. And when we let these Impressions rule our life, it's extremely difficult. To ever achieve anything meaningful because even though you might be earning a lot of money or even though you might have a pretty good relationship or even though you know people see you as successful on people even come to you for advice. It doesn't really matter because deep inside you have that feeling like you're not living at your best. You're not being your best self. You're not really pursuing your passion to your best ability. And the reason why is because those decisions have to be made with your heart start thinking with your heart because all of the best things that have ever come to me in my life came from decisions that I made with my heart. I knew it was time to take a leap. I knew it was time to take a chance. I knew it was time to do something different but it wasn't my head telling me that I needed to make more money or that I needed to get into a relationship. It was my heart pulling me. It was a gut feeling it was an mission that led me to my Bliss that led me to having things that really meant something that led me to being happy and fulfilled. If you make decisions with your head don't expect your soul to be happy if you make your life decisions by thinking and analyzing and trying to strategize what the best path will be then you will not be fully happy. It doesn't matter how much You make it doesn't matter how many people look up to you. It doesn't matter what external success you have. There will always be a gap. There will always be that little feeling underneath saying hey, you didn't really go all out. You didn't really take a chance. You just did stuff that you thought would work because you thought it would get you love ultimately the thing that we're all after validation approval feeling good other people liking us and we make so many of our decisions by thinking that we're going to get that that someone's going to fulfill us that somehow we're going to be happy when we accomplished a strategy when we make the next million or two million or three million, but in reality, it just comes back to that point so long as that thing is unfulfilled so long as you still feel that calling and you haven't acted on it, even if you've been silencing it for 30 years. It's the only way the only way To really listen to your intuition to really really quiet your mind and say okay. I'm going to stop thinking for a moment. I'm going to change what I think with I'm going to listen to my heart and cliche as it sounds your heart will whisper to you and it'll tell you hey. Let's quit. Yeah, you're making 3 million a year, but this is miserable. I don't like this. I don't want to be here anymore. I wanna do something different. You'll say no that doesn't make sense because a lot but I don't do that and but hey, okay, then you stay where you are and you keep getting what you're getting and maybe you make a little more maybe your little more successful doesn't matter or if you're stuck in a miserable relationship spiral your head might be telling you. Hey, you know what? This is just how it is. That's just part of it deal with it. This is normal couples are supposed to fight not true doesn't have to be that way. You can be happy you can be fulfilled. I've experienced that myself sure. It takes work. But at the same time when you really know it's the one that's the one you might be trying to convince yourself and saying well there's this about them and there's this and I gotta stay with them because x y z right, you know card trick your heart. I can try to talk your head out of it or into it, but you can never trick your heart. So if you don't listen to it don't expect to be happy. If you don't take the time to really follow it don't expect to be fulfilled unless you change how you think you will always feel like something is missing. I hope that you enjoyed the video make sure that you subscribe and turn on your notification Bell so that you don't miss a single upload. And if you'd like to experience a real breakthrough and some massive. Progress in your life sign up for coaching. It's in the bottom left of your screen right now. If you click on that, you'll go to my website and you can book a free consultation to get us started.

I share with you how you can change the way you think so you can become more successful. S U B S C R I B E : https://www.youtube.com/user/RafaelEliassen?sub_confirmation=1 Coaching with Rafael: https://www.rafaeleliassen.com/coaching #ChangeThinking #FollowYourHear #ChangeTheWayYouThink #ThinkingPattern #Mindset #Thinking #SelfImprovement #PersonalDevelopment #SelfHelp #Motivation What if I don't know what I want to do with my life? Then it’s time to change how you think. When you don’t know what you want, you are thinking with your mind. Your monkey mind is projecting a logical goal and you are denying it. Because it doesn’t feel right to you. And the things that feel right to you, you are too scared to try. So you say; “Meh, I don’t know what I want”. It’s an easy cop-out to not do what you really want. If you want to be happy, listen to your heart. What is your gut feeling telling you? Is it quitting that job and starting your business? or Breaking up a toxic relationship? What makes you feel exhilarated and scared at the same time? What is your soul longing for you to try? As soon as something comes up, your monkey mind will start justifying. “Oh, you can never do that, you are a loser.” “Oh, you don’t know how to start a business, stick to your job.” But don’t let it win, discard this mental chatter. Because there is no other way. There is no magic meditation or affirmation that will make you happy. Going after your wildest and seemingly unreasonable desires is what will make you happy. Just follow your heart for once.

Hello and welcome everybody. Thank you for stopping by for another edition of the coaches Journey. Today's guest is Ricky Trujillo. Surrender the outcome, which means you gotta you gotta just worry about getting better every day being the best person you can be every day and the outcome will take care of itself. Ricky is currently an assistant football coach at Denton Braswell high school. He has been there for four years and he has been in the middle of the process of developing a brand new program. Ricky gives us some insight into the culture of Denton Braswell their process for bringing the eighth graders into the high school and getting them mixed into the culture. We also discuss something very interesting the TNT's the things that take no Talent Rick. He's a very humble individual and he is a On The Rise he's got some great insight to share with us today and I can't wait for you to hear it. So enjoy this edition of the coaches Journey. All right, coach Trujillo. Happy to have you on here. Thanks for joining me on the show. Hey Matt. Yeah, I'm happy to be on excited to be on it. And you know, I'm a podcast listener. And so I think it's awesome that you have this platform and and I'm honored to be a part of it sir. Thank you. Thank you. I'm really excited to have you on here. And so you've heard the podcast before. Chip maker introduced you and me and for the listeners at home. We're actually doing a face-to-face podcast for once. We're not doing I'm not doing a zoom one. So I'm excited about this is something new for us giving it a try. So I'm excited to do it with you Ricky. And so the biggest thing on the coach's journey is I like to discuss with coaches. The reason why they got into coaching in the deeper meanings behind it. So if you could explain why you got into coaching and what is your Reason for doing this. Yeah, Madam, you know, I always envisioned myself being a coach as early as high school really couldn't tell you why I just that's just what my vision was. It was either going to be a coach or in the medical field and and early on I decided to be a coach and now that I'm doing it, you know, my biggest deal everyday is I like to add value to kids and the people so I'm very passionate about adding value to others. And being a person of influence, you know, I think leadership and is only as far as how much you can influence people. So that's why I do it is to influence others in a positive way, hopefully and add value to people around me. Yeah, that's great. And so I'm curious yet. So you said that you were actually thinking about getting into the medical field. So what changed the what made me change a hard like I want to step away from that and then I'm going to go ahead and jump into And you have mentors that encouraged you. What was it? Yeah, you know really? I think the Common Thread was just helping others. My mom is in the medical field. So that's probably what the motivation was there. And just the Common Thread is just helping others being a servant. But yeah, I had good experiences with football and other sports growing up athletically and you know, I just could see myself being a coach. You know when that time came. That's awesome. So did you did you play college ball? Yeah, I played at Butler University. It's an Indianapolis Indiana. Most people probably know us by our basketball team. It was a cool deal when when I was at school. We went to two national championship games and college basketball. But yes, I played for years there had a great experience when I got to Butler. They were on a 19 game losing streak and by my senior year we were 11 and One most wins in school history, you know conference Champs. So it was a very great experience and valuable experience. That was a great decision to go to Butler. So kind of going back to what you mentioned earlier and adding value to people's lives. Where did that come from? What and for the listeners as well? What do you think us as coaches have to do to add value to kids lives and not just kids but people that we coach with people that we teach with Administration. What do you think are some good examples of what you've done and you've seen from others to add value to people around you. I think the biggest thing to add value to others in to influence others is you have to win on the inside first. You got to you got to be the best version of yourself in order to to give that back to others. And so, you know, I'm pretty passionate about growing and learning myself by no means am I there yet. I you know nowhere close to where I want to be but my Motivation to grow as a person is so I can in turn give that value to other so my biggest thing is man be the best version of yourself. You can be continued to grow learn get better so that you can't transfer that onto others. If you know your kind of low character yourself or you you know, you're not getting better yourself. It's going to be hard to you know, make other people better so that kind of brought but thought when we were talking before we hit the record button we're Cussing podcasts and what we like to listen to and we mentioned the one that I really like to listen to as learning Leader by Ryan Hawk. And so you make a good point. I always would hear from him whenever he talks on his podcast, you know, you can't lead others unless you're able to lead yourself and I think that's so important. It's so true and a lot of times I get into talking with coaches about, you know, we spent so much time, you know in the office so much time scheming planning. And trying to figure out ways to impact kids. Sometimes we may get caught up and forget to take care of ourselves and Lead ourselves. So what types of things do you think is coaches and maybe anybody in any type of any line of work, you know, what's helpful for us to be able to grow and to get better and to lead ourselves. Yeah. That's a great question. And that's a question. I ask myself. You know, when I was a younger coach my first couple years out. I think when you first start everything is new and you're learning and growing and it's kind of natural. It just happens without you being very intentional about it because everything's new but I know probably about your three. I felt like I kind of plateaued and you know, I wasn't growing as much as I'd like and so that's when I got really into reading books listening to podcast trying to find mentors or just co-workers around me that you know, we're better at me and different areas of life. And so intentional that's a huge word for me that I try to think about and you got to be intentional about growing finding different Avenues to grow and then you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't, you know, I'm a spiritual guy and so, you know, I'm I believe Jesus was the best teacher that's ever lived and is the best teacher who's ever lived so as much as I can be like him, you know him being a mentor spending time with him is big and My Girls as well. Well now so did you did you just I mean just on your own you decided. Hey, I'm going to start this journey of self growth and Improvement. Yeah, just kind of happened natural. I read a book from John Maxwell called the 15 invaluable laws of growth and within the 15 laws. I'm reading and I'm kind of telling asking myself, you know and my grown in this area or am I not girl in this area and and unfortunately out of the fifth. I mean, I wasn't checking a lot of those boxes as growth. So that's when the wheels started turning on me trying to be intentional about finding ways to get better. That's great. As you know, it's amazing. It's amazing. Just read it open it up open up your first book. It kind of opens up your eyes a little bit then, you know, it's pretty amazing how that all works and that's awesome that you're you're into self growth and Improvement and I think it's so important for everybody to figure out ways. Ways to do that and so let's go back into a little bit of your journey and coaching. Obviously, you played it Butler and then we didn't go we didn't go very deep into your experience. You haven't always been in the state of Texas coaching. You've had some experience in Indiana as well. So talk about talk about some of your experiences and what you learned in coaching in the state of Indiana. Yeah, right after college, you know, I was lucky to get a job in the suburbs of Indianapolis at a place called Hamilton Southeastern High School. And it's one of the Premier places in Indiana. It's a 6 a there we have great kids. And so that was a great experience for me. I was around great coaches. So, you know, I was learning day. Like I said those first couple years everything was new and and the program one and at the time I didn't really know why we won or what made us successful and now in Texas and in a different situation now, you know, I'm learning. Earning, there's all kinds of things behind the scenes that tap make you win and make the program grow that I didn't necessarily know when I first started out. But yeah, it was it was it was a valuable experience. I was around great coaches great kids. And at one point I thought I'd be there forever but you know things change and and God has a different plan for you and I started Vision myself being a head coach and athletic director. And when I when I thought about that, I went back to being in high school and a kid and I envisioned Self being a head coach and AD and Texas. So that's a long-term goal of mine. And that's kind of where how I ended up down here. That's awesome. So, okay, so I'm trying to trying to get back to where I was thinking you you said things bought things behind the scenes that you started to notice and when you got when you got down here to Texas, can you go can you expand on that a little bit more what types of things that need to be done behind the scenes in order to create a successful program? Yeah. Just just just Developing that culture and and core values and and in a mission statement and just way you run your program and how you handle discipline and you know all the things that that go into making a great program. I was just I was just a cognitive will you know when I first started out and I just jumped on board and rode with it and people tell me what to do and and so now I'm starting the program here, you know, I've been I've been blessed enough to Don't have to start from scratch and and see how you know, given given kids and coaches ownership of core values and how you run things Coach Moore has done a great job of empowering us and you know, letting us have some ownership in those things. So what kind of core values y'all have here at Denton Braswell? Yes, so we are first year here. We create a seven core values Coach Moore and our staff and our kids created those core values and so I can I can kind of list them off for you. It's it's accountability its Relentless effort family Pride. passion compete and in toughness and and so we have those set of core values and they're all defined. There's a definition to all of them in our kids the start off offseason. They they are asked to know the core values and learn them. And so, you know going back to them accountability is everyday in everyway family is an acronym for forget about me. I love you Relentless effort is one of them mentality. So we have these core values and our kids they have to learn them early on in the offseason. And we have cool wristbands. That's a bingo football and being BLS which stands for being a lifestyle and and so our kids have to learn these core values and they get they get a wristband that that shows that they know and then we try to live by them, you know cultures real big and I'm a big culture guy and but I firmly believe that it's more than just putting a poster up on the wall or or just making core values but did not do anything else with them. I really believe it's what you do and how you do things and how you treat each other and people and and just day-to-day how you do things. I think that's what ultimately creates a culture way more than a cool sign on the board or or maybe a five minute talk before you know Athletics, you know, it's just how you do things every single day how you treat people. So what are the day-to-day things that you've noticed here Brad? Well that have been developing that culture because y'all are still brand new school. I mean, was it your fourth year? Yes. We are finishing up your three and we're about to start your for. Okay. And so what are the day-to-day things that you've noticed through developing the culture here with your core values. What is it that you all do as coaches in order to embody that culture that y'all that y'all are trying to create here. Yeah. So, you know, I an example, you know, we're in the offseason and maybe we're doing a hard workout. We're outside really getting after it and kids are getting tired and getting gassed and you know, we have a kid leaning over hands on his knees. You know, we may have some other kids tell them to get up. You know how that goes or hey Get Up Stand Up You know, but one of our core values is passion and passion means contagiously positive. So that might be a type of deal where hey we tell them hey passion passion, and that kind of is a trigger for To hey, I got to be positive with my teammate is awesome that I'm trying to pick my team up but we got to do it in a contagiously positive manner. So that's just day to day keep hitting the core values living it and you know every day just doing things like that. I think really take us back to the core values and how we do things and so it's cool when you know, first couple years coaches are always had to do that. It's cool to kind of see a little transition where players are now doing those things saying those the our core use two other teammates So yeah, those are some of that's an example when you said when you said I got really I got really interested because I've had a you're gonna hear tomorrow with Coach Baca. We discussed how players you know, they start taking over the program and what it is that they're they start to embody the core values themselves and man just kind of describe because I've seen it before, you know, where you're teaching teaching teaching you're trying to get kids bought in you're trying to Them to do the things, you know, like you see like you have up on the board, but you're trying to make them live it and so just to skip describe the feeling of whenever you see in the weight room or when they're doing a hard workout outside when they start taking over and they say things like passion they say things like family and it's just it just makes you feel proud. I mean describe what the scrub those types of those moments when you felt that yeah, you kind of said it Matt and mean I agree whenever your kids start saying the things that you've been you Been preaching to them for a couple years now. It's a proud moment. It makes you feel like man. We are really getting somewhere. We got some special going here now and yeah, absolutely I it gets me fired up when I hear our kids referencing our core values and living out of core values. That's like I said, that's when that's when you really feel like you got something special going and it gets you get you pumped for for the future. That's great. And so so now that you now that we've kind of Open it up a little bit talking about the culture and everything. You're taking me around these facilities which by the way are phenomenal. This is just this is awesome the setup that y'all have here and and you know, I am curious about the process. You're just you're telling me a little bit of what you do for the incoming middle schoolers from eighth grade and how to get them. You almost immediately bring them into the culture and you make them feel comfortable right away in coach whenever I interviewed Coach Compton he mentioned you want to make your program inviting for your kids. So discuss the process that you take your middle schoolers through to help them feel welcomed and to feel like they are part of the the Braswell family right away. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, we all know that coaching is built on relationships and so early on while the kids are in Middle Schools, you know, we have coaches go down and I know most programs good programs do that. They have coaches go down to the middle schools and and start building those relationships with kids. I think the something cool. We do in the springtime is we have the incoming freshmen so their current eighth graders come to Braswell and and they toured a facility. We have different kind of stations for them. So for example one stations where they going to our locker room are subpart C locker room, and we already have name tags with their last names on their locker. So that makes them, you know, they love it and they make some instantly feel like a Bingle, you know, we have another station where they kind of in put on the gear they got the Jersey on and the helmet and they take a picture in front of we have a cool Bingle face that they take a picture in front of and you know, they like the you know how it is. They like to put that stuff on Twitter and things like that and we give them our strength coach goes over our weight program and nutrition and and shows them examples of kids when they were freshmen and then pictures of them when they're seniors and how much they've grown and changed and you know, we just really You show them everything they're going to have at Braswell and and get them excited to be a Bingle. I think that's really important. Just you know, there's lots of schools around and you just gotta you gotta sell your program and and let them know that man grew good things are coming here and it's an exciting time to be a Bingle. That's that's that's great. I think it's awesome that y'all that y'all treat it that way. I mean whenever whenever we were talking about it, I just the way I described his life. Man, I feel like I'm in a small college right now just the way that you'll have it set up and you know going back to turn around the office and everything and seeing what y'all have when we went to the classroom. I'm very curious what y'all use that for meetings, but do you use it for any type of teaching character development or anything like that? And if you if so could you expand on what it is that y'all do and that in that sense? Yeah. We have like you mentioned we're blessed to have great facilities here Braswell and We have a classroom of Team classroom that we use for team meetings. It's used for position meetings. But yeah, it's also we tried to in the offseason twice a week at the beginning of the period. We have a culture development where a coach has a topic that he presents to the team for, you know, five or ten minutes short and sweet, you know, we don't want to waste too much time in the athletic period and we know they got a short attention span. But we try to spend five or ten minutes about twice a week where a coach goes over a topic. And so this past year there was a book called Championship minded and there's a lot of great topics in there that are short and sweet and so each coach kind of took two or three topics and and you know, two or three days throughout the offseason they presented that to the kids and so we talked about it. We reference it throughout the the period and kind of recap it at the end. So yeah, we're at that room for us is very diverse, and we're lucky to have and that's awesome. And I'm like, I'm just like you I'm so interested in culture and culture culture development and so huge. I mean not getting not jumping in too quick of okay. Look we got we got to jump in we got to start our workout now, we got to start a practice right away, but being able to build in time to teach your kids to sit down. It's a slower pace and and to get them to understand the message that you're trying to Send out to them and and create the buzz that you're trying to create around your program. I think that's just so awesome. And it's thank you for sharing that because I think that's a great idea for other coaches to start implementing into their programs as well and that it'll benefit them also, so talked a little bit about the program and everything and you mentioned as well. I'm sure we can go into a lot of depth with this. You're very passionate about you know this topic right here have A strong spouse in order to be a successful coach in order to do your job at a hundred percent and wife's name is Paige and you talked about her just a little bit but you can go ahead and expand a little bit about y'all's relationship. Maybe maybe how it started for y'all and how it is that y'all been able to keep a strong partnership in this profession because it's tough It's very tough and time-consuming and it takes you away from each other. So talk about your experience in that. Yes, Matt, so So yeah, my Pate my wife Paige. She was the head basketball coach here at Braswell and she recently stepped down because we had our first daughter our first child and so she stepped down to spend more time at home. And you know going back when we were up in Indiana. She was coaching basketball up there in a great program. It was home. Her parents were five minutes away and And we decided to move to Texas. He was a big sacrifice for her. And so, you know, I think it's just very important that your spouse is supportive and willing to sacrifice because it is a sacrifice to be a coach's wife or husband. And so, you know, I heard coaches say that when I was young, you know before I was married that you know, your wife is very important because you know, it takes a big sacrifice. So just just like I mentioned earlier being in assured about growing you got to be intentional about keeping your relationship at home strong, you know, haven't had keeping your family healthy and strong and and I think that's key because if things aren't great at home, then it's going to be hard to to do a great job at work and Lead kids and and do a good job will relationships at work and school with your kids if your relationships aren't at home aren't healthy. So, you know, that's that's something that I'm very Intentional about is keeping my relationship with my wife and family strong keeping a balance. We all know that's harder in the season of keeping a balance with your time. But you know, it's important, you know, I'm still a young guy and we just had our first child but you know, I've seen the other side of when things aren't great at home and how it affects can affect you as a coach. So I think that's really important that you keep keep your home life healthy your intentional about that and also, you know It's You know guys who aren't married yet that's important when picking picking a wife is that she understands the sacrifice and and what it's going to take to be a coach's wife, you know going back to my wife being a coach she was a head coach here at Braswell and so I got to be on the other side of being a coach's husband and she's getting home late every night and I'm having to do the dishes and clean up the house and get you know, do all that and that's tough to so you got to appreciate what your wife doesn't home holding it down at home and Pay attention about keeping that relationship healthy I think is very important and advice. I'd give young guys out there. So do you think you think both y'all being coaches probably helped that probably helped out in the beginning of everything. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's helped us be able to relate to each other. You know, she understands the stresses that go into coaching and how you know, sometimes you do take home. Unfortunately, you know, something may happen at practice or in the game and and how you do take it home and thank you. Thank about and how your mind is always going and I think that's definitely helped us relate to each other and keep our relationship stronger because we can relate you know, and I think any relationship that you can relate to each other put yourself in each other's shoes and just maintain that that trust and respect is going to keep your relationship strong. So that absolutely has helped us. I know she always says that she was a head coach So that she can understand me when I'm a head coach one day. That's a deep thought by her, right? That's awesome. That's great advice. So I was curious why you're talking to y'all get competitive at home at all. You know. Yeah, we do get competitive not as much anymore. But when we first started dating she's a basketball player and she's a really good basketball playing her day. So our biggest arguments always joke with Franz about which is true. Our biggest arguments have been playing one-on-one basketball. We've gotten pretty intense and Not talk the rest of the day if you got really really going that day and one on one. That's awesome. So I think it's I think that's great that y'all both have had experience as coaching and to be a to be a to be a to be a married couple that both coaches. I mean obviously to be able to relate that's awesome. You know, I'm I'm still I'm still young. I don't have a family of my own or anything. So it's great that you're teaching me these this advice as well and for you young coaches as well. Make sure that you're listening. Right. It's so important to make sure that you're keeping those relationships strong also, so I was I was wondering too. I mean how beneficial has it been for you both being coaches. How much is it helped you grow as a coach yourself? Yeah, you haven't paid just has helped me grow and and every every way possible, but I've got to see her and see her be a head coach and kind of learn from her mistakes and things she's done well and You know the word I think about when I think about my wife and like I said going back to advice for young guys out. There is a Synergy. I love the word Synergy and my definition of synergy is one plus one equals three and so together you're way better than you would be, you know alone if you guys have a strong relationship you guys are able to just exponentially improve each other and She challenges me professionally spiritually and so having her and having her be able to relate to me and and me be able to see her and the things that she's gone through as a coach's has I think is preparing me for my future. Yeah, that's awesome. And you know it, you know, not everybody not everybody is in the situation. Y'all are were both the our coaches or anything, but I think that's such a great. I love that word that you use right there Synergy and I I think that anybody no matter what if your if your wife's a coach or she's not a coach or if your if your husband's not a coach whatever it is, I mean you can find that way to relate to each other and you know, I think you know, this is kind of a thought. I'm just having right here. I mean, I think it's so important that we talk about family just like you did with with your culture here at Braswell. I mean, you got to involve your family as well. I mean, obviously it was probably easy to bring your wife around practice and all that because She was here at the school. But I mean do you think do you agree that maybe that it's important that you need to bring your family out to be around the players and to get to get themselves in the culture as well. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, we're blessed here at Braswell Coach Moore and he's a big family guy and his kids and a lot of our coaching staff kids are always around the field house and and wives all have great relationships with each other and and they're always around and it's a family environment here and that is important because we spend so much time here at the field house. We spend so much time together as families that you know, it is one big family. And so I think any great program has those relationships with each other as far as coaches with each other as coaches wives kids growing up together. It is a big deal to have that environment and culture that people people love coming around field house. They love going to games together. It's just enjoyable enjoyable lifestyle because it is it's a lifestyle. It's more than more than just a job. I believe being in the coach profession thinking about you know, I just whenever you talk, you know, I just I get I am getting so many ideas of questions that I want to ask you. So I appreciate the dialogue you're giving your coach has been awesome. And so talk a talk to us a little bit about how it's been y'all opened up the school. Did you did you come here when the school first opened? Yes, sir. I'm on the original staff and you Year one I was here eyebrows. Well, okay. So I was gonna I was gonna go ahead and dive in there the process you and I kind of talked about that a little bit before we came in and we started hitting the record button the process of developing a new program. How much is that helped you grow as a coach. How much is it helped your entire staff grow. And then how has it helped your kids grow and developing that process and getting people to buy in. Yeah, it's been Aren't a new program and being a part of that has been very exciting very challenging and you realize when you start a new not only a new football program, but a brand new high school that you know, most places already have systems in place the way they do things and and when you start something you got to develop that so there could be no stone left unturned or can be no detailed left out. And so you have to really think through those things once again coach more. You know, he obviously It was the heavy lifter and all that but he empowered us and and included us in a lot of those processes. So, you know just things you take for granted like having your facilities ready at the beginning, you know, when we started Braswell, all our facilities weren't weren't done. So we were busting kids over to our ISD Stadium for practice every day. And that's 25 minutes away and our equipment. Was that the admin building Being and and so, you know the week before our first game we've only had our kids a few weeks and the week before our first game. We're having to haul equipment over to our field house instead of prepare for for our first game. So, you know, there's lots of challenges, you know, we didn't have seniors our first year we started out with only Juniors and it was a it was a varsity schedule from the get-go. So it's been a challenging process, but it's also been a learning process. SS growing growing deal and I believe our coaches and our kids have learned a lot from it. They've you know, they've earned, you know, no pun intended as earned her stripes and I think we're ready to raid a win here Braswell, you know, I was I was kind of talking to you about a book about bamboo trees and how you know you water the bamboo tree and it takes years for it to grow in those first few years. It doesn't do anything and then and then finally it kind of explodes and takes off and so I'm excited for the future here. I Braswell what was the name of that book real quick. You know, man. I wish I could tell you that just be like, yeah, if you search bamboo book, I'm sure it'll be the first thing on the search. Alright, awesome. I'll make sure to I'll make sure the Google search that a little bit that's great. So let's talk a little bit about your head coach coach more. You've mentioned him a lot. You say he's this is first job as a coach watching him and you know, you've talked about you want to be a head coach one day. What are the types of things you've learned just being under him and just trying trying to understand the experiences that he's been going through and being a first year head coach. Yeah. It's been you know, one of the first things I noticed about Coach Moore was a My first summer we're working out our kids and how many times he told kids that he loved them and he was proud of them. And you know, I'm a guy who says I love you and stuff at home. But you know looking back program. I was at before I don't remember telling my players that often. So that was that was one of the first things that that I remember about Coach Moore was him telling kids that he's proud of them. He loves them. That's something I try to do pretty much daily. I tell my tell my guys that tell my kids that because it is about relationships. He's great with relationships. You know, I know my communication Style with kids is truth and Grace and you know, you can't be a yeller and screamer because they eventually tune that out and it becomes a environment that you know, they don't want to be around so I'm real big on Trent kids ride and and give them truth and Grace and hold them accountable, but you do it in the For way and building building their confidence and making the complicated simple when it comes to scheme and things like that. These are all things that coach more does and you know, I've just, you know, try to been a sponge around him. He's a he's a he's a awesome and sharp offensive mind. But I think one of his biggest strength is just how he leads our program and leaves our fellow coaches. So as you're talking there I was right. I was starting to write down a question that I wanted to get to and so I'm glad that I'm getting this opportunity. If you just we've talked on the phone getting to know you a little bit. You're very big. We've already discussed your big growth guy. How can we become better Learners as coaches? Because you know talk about some of the advice that you have to get for young coaches when you were starting off, you know, what are the steps we can start taking, you know for especially for coaches for young coaches get a head start before they even start in the profession. They can start learning and growing and and getting ahead of the Game a little bit so that they can have the impact that you've had on your players hit on a little bit earlier. I would say, you know, the biggest thing is fine people that are better than you, you know, you don't want to be the smartest guy in the room with you are you're in the wrong room and so and that could be anything if there's a you have a guy on your staff that you just kind of admire his family life and his relationship with his wife seems strong and his kids. You know talk to him about that. Try to grow in that aspect, you know, there's a guy all staff that you just noted. He's sharp with the X's and O's and on the board get what him and try to learn from him. There's just that that's what I try to do. I try to I try to look for guys that are better than me in different aspects of life and try to learn what you can from them. And I probably need to do a better job of just kind of asking for them to be asking them if they can mentor me more and spend some extra. Time, you know I try to be, you know respect people's time. And so I try to just kind of asked around the office and just have conversations. But while I'm having conversations with guys, I'm always trying to learn that it's not just you know shooting the breeze with him. I'm usually trying to learn something pick something up from do a lot less of talking and a lot more of the listening. So that's that's what I would that's when my advice would be for young coaches is trying to be around people better than you that you can grow from. And that's an all aspects of life. Not just you know x's and o's with football. Okay. So what is some of the best advice and I'm sure you've heard a lot of it. It's I like to ask this from coaches because then I can I can be a little selfish and add it to my wheelhouse a little bit but for everybody else, what's the best piece of advice that you've learned in your experience as coach my best advice? I think something that sticks out to me is a and I know a lot of young coaches me and you kind of discuss this a little bit and before but is Not just being a rush to get to the next job or the next title. You know, I know I'm not you got to be where your feet are and and something I kind of think about and live by is surrender the outcome, which means you got to you got to just worry about getting better every day being the best person you can be every day and and the outcome will take care of itself. You don't have to go searching for that next job or or the next day the next step or it'll happen naturally will happen. Organically. You just gotta do a great job at where you're at now help people help, you know do a great job coaching be a great assistant coach for your head coach and your coordinators and opportunities will come there's enough opportunity for everybody who are doing things the right way and and taking care of business. So that would be the biggest thing I've heard from from people is don't be So worried about the next job and I definitely try to implement that in my career. And so that's what I would give young guys is don't be so worried about is trying to find a title just be the best coach you can be to your kids to your head coach to your coordinators and and opportunities will happen organically. So what is you talk about being a great assistant coach and I can I can tell you know, I haven't been around you. Been around you to see what you do, but I mean I can just tell that you are an example of a great assistant coach. And so what do you think? What do you think it is that you do? Go ahead go ahead and brag on yourself a little a little bit. I know you probably don't like to do that. But what is it that you do that you think helps make you a great assistant coach and then what more what more do we all need to do to be looking for opportunities to be a great assistant coach to coordinator a head coach. Yeah, I think the first thing is and Coach more. He always tells us, you know, you got to be the head coach of your position so full ownership the head coach of your position, you know, I know I've heard the saying and people say that their position takes the, you know mentality or they take the they're like their position coach, you know, so I really do try to look out in the field and hopefully my position is is guys who are giving their best all the time. Relentless effort great attitudes, you know things that take no talent. I like to say that when my guys is the TNT. We got to be great to TNT's the things that takes no talent because that's what you can control, you know, every single one of my position players can control the TNT's regardless of talent level. So it starts there being a head coach of your position. No job is beneath you whether that's you know, cleaning out the equipment room. To open it up lockers for kids to mowing the grass doing the laundry all the stuff that you know is kind of dirty work and coaching you got to be willing to do all that stuff. Just so the program goes and just you know, I tried like I said, I'm a young coach but I try to look for opportunities to help out other coaches around me other players around me, you know, I try not to coach other. Dishes too much, but there's something that I see another player doing that in their position that I know I can I can help out with you know, I may pull me aside and kind of tell them something. I'm real big on giving kids confidence. So, you know, I don't want to over Coach a kid at another position technique-wise, but if I can kill to help give them confidence brag on them a little bit and say hey man, I'm notice you doing a great job out there. Keep it up. I try to find Opportunities to do that because that's big giving kids confidence so they can play and It's have fun out there. So those are just some ways that I try to be the best assistant coach I can yeah, and I'm you know me. I'm the same way. I love to I love to put coffee give confidence to kids. I mean, I just, you know, you can be the you can be the greatest teacher of technique and and greatest X's and O's guys but guy ever, but if you don't if you don't give them confidence, then they're not going to be able to go out and perform and so I commend you. Percent for that and so it's so important you've got to instill that confidence and you know one thing that I really like to do and I firmly believe in is as soon as you see a kid do something that you think is great or that falls in line with your culture or core values. You need to immediately, you know point that out and praise them and because I feel like it I feel like it creates a domino effect for other players to want to follow that example. So I mean I if you want to expand any with anything more any thoughts that you have with that, I think that's so true that you've got to you've got to put that confidence in kids and don't be afraid to do that. You know, don't feel like you've got to be the you got to be the hard coach, you know, you got to be tough on them all the time. You know, you work on your soft skills work on saying hey, you did great at this. All right so build on that and let's get better at what you're making a mistake on right here. You know, I'm saying I hundreds in agree. You know, I'm Big, you know, we kind of sketch John Gordon earlier and he's a big positive guy and you gotta you gotta build kids up and you got to give a lots of positives. You can't have, you know, I'm a Believer you got to give three or four or five positives to every negative that you give a kid. It can't be the opposite way. And even though that can be easy to do because you're coaching them up there doing things wrong, but there's ways to hold kids accountable in the coach home coach him hard, but doing it like I said in a A graceful way and not shaking her confidence. You know, I firmly believe that you can coach kids hard hold them accountable in a way that doesn't tear them down. You're still building them up. You know. Hey, you didn't do this. Correct this rep, but man to read before that. Yeah, you did this awesome justjust, correct this and we'll be rocking. So I agree 100% And if a kid did have a tough practice and maybe you had to get on a little bit and it's just was a tough practice for them. I'm a firm believer. Rent at the inner practice goal of them up. Don't let him go home. Don't let him go home upset and just thinking about how bad practice when or how coach jumped on me. I think you got to love them up and tell them you love them. Tell me proud of them tomorrow's gonna be better so that they don't go home and it just gets the to brew and get worse at home. So I'm a big believer in that. Yeah. And so I mean, you know, it's, you know, we look in society today and we feel Uh that, you know, we kind of make judgments on the generation that our kids are in now that you know, they're dead. Everything's handed to them. They're not tough. They're not they're not resilient or anything like that. I mean what I mean, do you think it takes a little bit of you need to go deeper and understanding the the society that kids are living in in order to develop that confidence. I know I'm kind of thinking deeply here, but maybe we just you know, sometimes whenever we don't we just think oh, well, they can't do that. Because you know, they weren't like us when we played or something like that. You know, how much of it does it take understanding this generation what it is that they deal with on a daily basis. Yeah, I think relating the kids is huge and developing that relationships with them because I agree I hear that, you know kids aren't as tough as they used to be as we were but you know, that's one thing without going into too much details, you know, I had some a lot of adverse situations and challenges growing up that now in hindsight. Insight years later I'm glad I went through those things. You know, I kind of had a nomadic childhood and I went moved around a lot. I went to three high schools, you know, financially things were always great at home. Sometimes relationships at home work great. And and so I look for those times when the kid you can just tell maybe they got something on their mind you go talk to him. And I think it's I love when I can relate to a kid and tell them a specific story of how I had went through. Same thing man when I was your age, and I think that's key to help the kids because you know, you can't let a circumstances to find you and sometimes the biggest thing is just how you perceive those circumstances. That's really what can can put you down. So I think when you can relate to the kids and and you know show them hey, even though this is this stuff is going this thing at home is tough, you know, you're not defined by that you can overcome that. It's kind of how you perceive it. How you respond to it? And I still believe kids can can be tough and be everything that we wanted to be hold them accountable relate to them. Love them up and sky's the limit. I still believe kids are great kids. Like they've always been mad. So God man, that's powerful. I'm just thinking like so I mean you're so right because you're saying it start it starts with us as as leaders. As the coaches and so if we if we start this this belief that when the kids screws up right here and he's done it multiple times and we just said all he can't he can't do that. Now. I understand. You got to figure out you got to put a kid in the best situation possible. You don't want to ask them to do something that that you know, they may not be capable of doing it. But so you can give them that confidence, but at the same time you don't want to just write a kid off. You don't want to lose belief. In them you always want you want to make them feel like they're playing for something bigger and just just going back to that confidence thing. We keep talking about I think it like you said there it starts with us as coaches and our mindset and understanding that if we're if we're not going to believe in them. They're not going to believe in themselves. I mean, I can see not in your head. What are the thoughts do you have? Yeah, I think you know one thing I go back to is is motivating the kids. Sometimes they just lack motivation and it goes back to We hit on a lot of just relationships with them. You know, I've heard coach more say before unless you took a kid home asked about their family bottom of milled and don't jump on them yet. You don't know him yet. And so I think if you really put in the time to get to know a kid and the form that relationship 99 at a hundred times that kids going to run through a wall for you and it's going to try their darndest to do exactly what you want to do and then it goes back to the to TNT. He's you know, the things that take no Talent I've yet to experience where kid is not going to play hard for me after I form that relationship with them and in the things that they it may be a challenge from the dude just because athletic leader not there. I'm going to keep coaching them up and trying to hold him accountable, but I'm not going to repeat his tail just because you just know physically he can't do something and so, you know, that's just kind of my coaching Style and what I believe in and just forming those relationships that motivates kids they want to run through a wall for that. Should they respect in that they trust and so gaining that trust gain that respect you fought most of the battle at that point. So yeah mentioning time to like it takes a lot of time. I mean, you know, I don't I don't know. I don't know the science behind developing relationships or anything. But I mean, I mean golly it takes it takes months. It could take a year with a kid. I mean, I don't know how it works. I think it all just depends on the on the kid and then yourself and how much you're willing to put into the relationship but going into time and developing relationships. You said coach more he mentioned if you haven't driven a kid home or if you haven't taken them to get food or restaurant or whatever. You can't rip a kid. So what are some ways that we can start stealing time developing that time to build the relationship maybe some examples that you have done and taken advantage of in order to strengthen your relationship with your position players and other players on the team. You know, I think you know as Texas coaches we are we we talked earlier. I think what makes Texas Texas and we are blessed to have athletic period of time and so we already have so much built in time. I don't think there's any reason why we can't build this relationship with kids because in other states that's not the case. You may see the kid after school during the football season and then when season is over you don't see that kid for a few months, so We're very lucky in Texas have the athletic period so we can see our kids daily, but just just still in time, you know, when they're stretching or after after after practice or when you see him in the hallway. It goes a long way asking how Mom and Dad's doing had her brother's doing how to grade the checking in on her grades. Just knowing that someone cares about them. I think that goes a long way but I just try to find Opportunities when they're just changing in the locker room or you know before the athletic period when our Because they come in they have first period so some of them get their little early kind of going in there spend some time with them. And then what are what are other guys after school? And you know, when they're kind of just hanging around the field house go talk to him go. Ask how things were going and you can have some fun and jump around with them. Just kind of doing all those things. Like you said, there's no magic to it. But putting that time in there's no there's no replacing the actual minutes and hours spent with those kids. To form those relationships. Absolutely and you know, I feel like it takes a little bit of a humble mindset to to want to go into locker room and just talk to kids and all of that instead of getting caught up and I got to get I got to get this done for practice. I got to get this prepared and not thinking well, there's no point in me going into locker room. I don't need to have a conversation with the kid, you know, I think it takes a little bit of a humble mindset and I just I could read it in you man. You just you take that you take that. On set for sure. I think it's that's awesome. And then coach this is it's been awesome. I think we could talk for hours and hours and hours, but I know that you've got your family to go home to you. Got to Brent. You got a kid who was just born. I think that's awesome. But I do want to go ahead and close it out. And you know, you've given a lot of great advice and I appreciate your time. But if there's anything that you would like to say advice wise for a young coach coaches have been been in the profession for a long time. What's one thing one message you'd like to get out of could be even to your players. What's one best that you would like to give out get out to people through this podcast my biggest my biggest thing that I try to live by and you know, I'm still pretty young and I've only been doing this for 10 years, but I like to live by you you get what you give and so it's a It's a natural law. It's a lot at you. Not break. Okay, so you got to see the cloud you're going to reap what you sow, you know, I'm kind of going back to you know spiritual but I'm a strong believer. You're going to get what you give and if you're giving your best every single day you're going to get that back in return and and it's also the opposite if you're kind of half telling things and your kind of cutting corners and and you trying to get yourself out of things and you're going to get that in return so I love that saying I try to I try to really instill it in my players. You're going to get what you give even if the coaches and watching what you're putting into it is what you're gonna get out of it. So that's kind of just something that I'd advise people. I like to live by and and I'm a you just can't break the law of that of reaping and sowing and so once again get what you give and surrender the outcome and good things are going to happen. Well coach. Thank you again. This was awesome. I really am grateful for the opportunity. I love to do this and getting to meet getting to meet guys like you your high-level guy. I think that you're in the profession for the right reasons, and so thank you again. I appreciate this time, and I hope you have a good rest of the weekend and I hope we continue to stay in touch as we learn and grow and continue to get better in our careers. Thank you for that. Absolutely, Matt. Thanks for having me on. Another thank you to coach Trujillo for joining me on the show today and taking the time out of his busy schedule to share some of his thoughts with me. This is my first opportunity to do a face-to-face interview and it was a blast every single second. We got the feed off of each other's energy and I think that made for a great interview. He shared a lot of great Insight. I loved his approach to coaching. I love his humble attitude and mindset and I think it's a great example that he leaves for his players and for other coaches around him, and I can't wait to see Coach Trujillo does in the rest of his career. Thank you again to all of you who listen to the coaches journey and supported thank you for then sharing it with others on social media. And if you would like to continue to support coach attorney show, please just give a simple follow on Twitter by searching at the coach's Journey or follow on Instagram by searching be underscore coaches Journey. Also, please hit the Subscribe button at the top of the page if you're on Apple podcast or whatever platform you used. Subscribe continue to listen continue to grow discover your wise a coach and impact kids every single day. Thank you. Have a great day.

Ricky Trujillo is currently an assistant football coach at Denton Braswell High School. This is Ricky's 4th season at Braswell and he has been a part of opening up the very young program! Ricky has spent time coaching not only in the state of Texas but he got his start in the state of Indiana, where he also spent his time for college. Ricky attended Butler University and played football during his time at Butler as well. He is a humble individual and is an up and coming coach with a lot of potential. Some of the topics that Ricky and I discuss are the culture of Denton Braswell and their process of making an inviting environment for their incoming freshman athletes. We also discuss what his beliefs are to be an effective coach and a topic that he was very passionate about... having a great spouse as a coach. During this talk we get into how Ricky's wife Paige has been a huge supporter in his career as a coach and how her being a coach has helped Ricky in his growth as well. This was a very fun episode and... it was also the FIRST in person interview that I have had the opportunity to conduct!

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He turned down Shem and Shem said the midst of pesach sheni that if someone was tummy or with directly take on meaning somebody was impure or they were far away from the place where you have to bring the bass bass the Circle carbon Paisa they have a second chance on pesach sheni exactly a month from the first place and if lead the crab based on that we have the Vault of pesach sheni teachers on such Nostalgia for found. There's nothing that has ever lost. So though we have the lesson of chuva being able to repent and atone for past mistakes and we have many such lessons throughout the year, but patient Cheney has something particular the rep explains because this came as a request and out of this sense of inadequacy and being feeling deprived that the Jewish people had those that were in a state where they could not bring the first base and that itself invoked. It wouldn't have come so to speak on its own it evoked for Mission from God new approach that you have is stuck in fire phone with teaches us that you have to do something when you cry out and you're truly sense the lack of something you need you se llama negara, there will always be a response. There's no found. Nothing is ever lost. The lesson context of scissors applied in context in general of life is a Less because we're all going to have times where we are impure or distant spiritually physically psychologically emotionally. The question is what happens then many people despair. They get resigned they give up they say I'm not worth it. I'll never make it comes pesach sheni this day and tells us no stuck in for a file. Nothing is lost. Just remain hopeful and cry out and say why am I lacking that itself can bring something? Because you could think look if since I didn't get it was the point of complaining when I talk about complaining we're talking about feeling the hunger and The Thirst famous story that had been shot. There was a hustler came to see the number of Shaban muazzam for something and he didn't get his request. He came out crying. He needs the Rizzo that Deborah shopped all the brothers or sisters crying is why are you crying? He says I went to the rabbit. The rabbit said they did not did not bless me. Kanter has all went to his brother and said that's what it up is for at Evansville to bless not the bless that has a sense and send them back in. They said like the cousin that and he asked his request that I brush a blast. So the obvious question is why only bless him in the first place because there ever a shop so he needed to make a lie. He need to make some type of effort some initiative and the crying of feeling deprived. They didn't get a blessing that itself Alyssa depressed less. Never underestimate the power of a sincere cry. There's power of a sincere feeling of inadequacy not in low self-esteem context not to make yourself feel that you're worthless, but feeling and the contrary you worth it and you feel sad or deprived. Why didn't you get it and that evoke the place of Shannon that kind of vote for each of us a second chance. Basic but fundamentalist this week will also be locked by a member, which is Thursday not by me of course is the outside the he Lola and you can even call the simcha because the about the about be asked that it should be a day of Joy the hula of the option by Roy. Isaiah documents in the Idris Sutra which is the Parsons has seen Jose are the last day of Rosh be very moving account how he gathered students how he taught the deepest Toyota and how we reveal Secrets when he says I don't want to leave this world without revealing and being told that you didn't reveal what you had to reveal as a true that but that's what he did. Then he said but had cafeterias Katana cities make such a big fuss about it had Katina with Unbind a bond myself and he saw that his this talk to see little than that way. So this explains why of all these doctors have said dick him which students are supposed to sit Shiva and cry for why did it have to be asked it should be a simpler because being about primitive the British be with someone who taught the inner dimension of Taylor the inner dimension of Taylor sees the inner dimension of everything including a negative thing like a passing. So they're definitely how logically they had to sit Shiva but then as be also implanted that the years to come it should be a great simple. And what do we see today till this day the pilgrimages only grow in number and enjoy to me Ron when people go up to Moran which is the place the oil of the ranch be unlocked by m. That is I would go there spend sometimes three days, but definitely with go they're doing during like very much. And this became a custom throughout the generations kadai that Shimon this muscle of Bashar Assad Kafka. I'm Sherman is one you can rely on when you're in in a pressure situation and entire Street and different expressions are as be promised and assured his students and generations to come then when you'll need something when they'll be any particular need call upon me. So what is this lesson to us like by email? Bridges schisms in general the structure of existence is made up there. There's a structure and a structure includes different layers and different shrouds and different barriers. Hey, Doug, Allah. Azza, as it says when love on and and and Yakov part ways either Galas at this girl this Mount this mound will be a witness will be our boundary. And so this brings gal is the letters lag like Jamaal Ahmad first them from a boundary from abound and a boundary becomes it Bridges it because as be I'm Shimmer, you cry bridged the different worlds you bridge the world of the concealed and the world of the revealed the world of the conscious and the world of the supra-conscious the world of imminence and the world of transcendence the body and the Soul Goofer that I said the body of pteranodons be was unbelievable and great Tana one of the students of Be a Kiva and was of course the ball Premier cetera the Samosa Teresa. So usually soul and body are two different realities at least in our perspective one is revealed one is concealed one of the work with the very shabby abacha, meaning the land mammals and one is lunar Yama the fish that live in the sea very different worlds one is concealed one is revealed in theory also have the to enlarge be bridged it too. Which is why he's compared to make sure I've been with times because my sister to me not my name is Surya his name is named after the fact that I'd room out of water because he bridged the world of this Hidden Worlds of water, which is the superconscious Amadeus gasps. You didn't world with the dry land where we all dwell and we saw by Chris. I'm sorry and similarly like by it. Does that same idea which is why it's called Martin Taylor Plymouth cetera. And today we know after that is out and then the Baal Shem Tov and then there are beim Mitzvah Lagarde has a shock me that this inner wisdom which was once exclusive only for your kid has goal of individuals and learned in a very subdued manner only one person at a time in - mm. I see Marco Vela Bhai your head you don't learn a lesson and as an individual by that is all began to spread and then only grew your foot so menacing computer as Michelle told about Shem Tov and today. Hoods are generate some momentum for the two reasons. One is as a taste in a foretaste an appetizer of Michelle's times when Plymouth Arrow will be revealed and we'll have the bridge between the inner and the outer and because as we get closer and it gets darker, we need more light and its interconnected these two reasons. So like bam it teaches us that we can open up boundaries. We can open up blockages and impediments that perhaps usually are not possible to open up which It is one of the reasons that unlike Bainbridge says now Jamie, I'm the middle of the board go out into the field and it gives Broca's especially regarding children. What's the difficulty of having a child would be God forbid is due to a black passage the womb doesn't open Pika caught us. The mother says it has be was taken that Carlos. He opened up wombs of those that would seemingly were unable to have children and I caught her. Opening up a channel is exactly what like blaming is and this is also true not just in technically business biological children, but also in general opening up blacks and all kinds of impediments are things that may not allow us to really access our potential and our actual eyes are great skills and Mission in this world, so like blaming I'm just being briefed opens up so many different channels. That's why it's such a day of blessing they serve in the middle of ebb and we saw by the devotee like buy him a parade and like bam The day the symbol of the Rebel was unparalleled, especially when he was with the children. And the game is somewhat of a mystery is jumped of because what are you really doing jumped and the day of like woman's ever went to the oil but it's a day of Celebration because we're celebrating her has be a unique Tana who stood out in the fact that he was bridged in his time all the worlds and that's right create an actress a Unity that even a string of Samer the time when God forbid epidemic happened that the 24,000 students of rabi Akiva though. He learned Taught he taught them after their commercial the cloud. God will be Theta and loving your fellow is a fundamental principle of theta they were not respectful to each other. They did not lay no go covers others are causing an epidemic and as be was one of those students but he was what from the few that remained because they did show out of this and unity the remedy the antidote to divisiveness and is demonstrated in the fact that I would be just as I said connecting levels connected the inner and outer connecting Jews of all backgrounds. the ashkenazim sephardim sidon narcissism all unite in the same coverage be I mentioned once a more than once a number of times you find a similar thing with that is I'll just as an aside whose yard site is hey of the fifth of also the saddest time of the year even sadder days literally before Tisha b'av is that's his yard site. And you see again that is an antidote like Magnum to fool a marker the healing before the illness before the difficulty that the base. I mean, there's was destroyed. The temple was destroyed 9th evolved due to what baseless hatred baseless divisiveness. Comes at Lisa and correct some repairs that and just as the - be repairs the divisiveness of our time and we do so in the 49 days of counting the Omer which is also his scandalous connecting them all together Hesed gouda, but also tested stomach acid worship addressed all the way till we March toward the 50th day, which is Man Taylor finally. It's also pastors Bihar this week this year because it was a show no more barriers and leap year many of the patients are separated that I usually Other so barbecue case it comes together usually but this year comes separately. It's a beautiful city of from the lab. I'm sure I mentioned it in the past in previous years, but how tough she remembered Zion refocuses as always and the name of the chapter, even though the name is not the whole chapter but a name as the Alta rabbit says captures the essence and the theme of the chapter the how seemingly our word. I don't know where to Bihar seen. I that's what the public is talking about. It starts About Schmidt. What's meter connected to have seen as Rashi explains so behind means just the mountain because that itself teaches us a lesson. There are times we have to be like mountains and Mountain is a few elements to it. First of all, there's a certain Pride again Yankee Jewish Pride standing walking upright with the right humility, but walking upright with proud with self-confidence with courage to be able to deal with every challenge because God blessed us and sent us to this world as his messenger. Bahar also, the rebbe explains in that city is the power of growth because mountains grow he brings their from different sources that my Mountain sometimes compared sameach shabby Damon you think of mountains made out of stone stone is mineral. It doesn't move. It doesn't change amount of Samaria shabby Damon in Mineral itself. It's a growing element the river explains their how would that mean that it grows? You can look it up yourself. And usually it's a minister, but then we compared to the Coral in the sea, which is also Dame it's been real but it grows. It's a living organism and there that the mountains are also that way so bonds have personal lessons for us besides the has seen a the Mount Sinai which is what the positive versus referring to besides all the other chapters all the messages in the chapter the mere fact that we stand like a heart and this year. It stands alone the chapter The Need to Be Will to stand strong distant courageous. We just saw it. Unfortunately the tragedy in Poway which I have discussed in the previous week's few weeks two weeks ago had memorable interview the memorable interview with rubbing Goldstein stroll Goldstein. You see them working in yank of that. He picked up from the rubber from siddhis something we all need to learn because it gives you the ability to confront anything as altered. Abbas says right at the beginning of chapter 26 and Tiny the famous example of the two people wrestling if you don't have the willpower of Your demoralized even if you're stronger you lose so walking with confidence and strength and knowing we're not standing on our own strength, but on the shoulders of those before us the grades before us that gives us that Bihar attitude to be like a hard to be like a mountain that stands Above the Rest in a humble way, but yet like a mountain so gives you the fortitude and the confidence and the determination to achieve anything. You need to set your mind to achieve especially in fulfilling our purpose in this world. So there you have lessons consider Supply pesach sheni like by amen Bahar. Many more lessons and I will then refer you this is cross-referencing to other episodes where I talked about them and they include episode 17 66 and 67 116. 161. 162 211 212. 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Go to the first question for this week the tide the writer titled it culturally Rich culturally responsive teaching. And the question nutshell and then I'll read it in full the full question as an orthodox Jew teaching in a secular School. How do I navigate and draw the line between insisting and kindness and acceptance of all students in our classroom? And normalizing or condoning behavior. That is forbidden by Taylor. Very good question. It's a commonly asked question not only in school but in other places, but let me read it out loud, and then we'll addressed I work as a teacher and an instructional coach in a mainstream School. Our student body is composed of students of diverse races. Sexual orientations and gender identities a predominant issue in many of our classrooms is the perpetuation of Rachel of racial slurs stereotypes and bullying. I recently took an online course on the topic of culturally responsive teaching which seeks to respect and embrace the diverse cultures and identities of our students to Forester and emotionally safe and inclusive environment conducive to learning for all students. I wish Implement many of these practices in my classroom, but I'm unsure how to navigate the issues surrounding sexual orientation and gender identity within Taylor. These are morally charged issues. But this is not the prevalent attitude within secular society. The LBG, the lgbtq population is considered another marginalized minority group whom we have a moral responsibility to reset the respect and accept that being said it gets personal in our school environment when we have students being bullied. Or called names because of their sexual orientation and gender identity. I don't know where the line is drawn between insistence upon kindness and acceptance in our classroom and normalizing or condoning behavior. That is forbidden by 10. And by Tater, it would be highly conspicuous and defensive for me to facilitate conversations about culture and race without addressing the other elephant in the room the lgbtq community. I also recognize that I need to tread lightly since I'm conspicuously an orthodox, Jew and representation any insight into how to navigate the sensitive issue would be appreciated. Okay, very powerful and very challenging question. I should say And I'll try to address it to the best of my ability. I don't know if I have a direct answer to this particular question from the web or from anything directly interested is but we have guidelines that address and balancing Toyota standards and dealing with realities on the ground wherever you may be in the workplace on this case even more so more sensitively in the school. Let's make one thing clear. Did a very big distinction between a person's Behavior and the person? We don't reject people God created human beings every one of the Divine image. Everyone has their challenges. People make choices sometimes bad choices and sometimes they don't even know they're making bad choices because they're ignorant. so this isn't condoning or in any way supporting their mistake or supporting their ignorance its distinguishing between what we call you Tom okutama invalidating the sin should be erased not the Sinners so as a human being in general A leader, especially an educator in a school above all sensitivity comes first. You have students everyone is entitled to be respected and there's bullying or is slurs or insensitive Behavior. You don't just say no. We only accept we don't accept certain slurs and other slurs are acceptable slurs are not acceptable. Even if one is the community you describe it. I don't even like to use the word Community, but let's just say a person is in that area gender issues. Sexual orientation issues who says we go with slurs. That's a tater approach to insult to humiliate to demoralize that's not a Toyota approach if you want to deal with it as we dealt with privately in a way that does not hurt anybody. So the first thing is as teacher has to maintain standards. We're bits not appropriate for children to hurt each other no matter what and let's say even let's not even talk about this issue. Let's say a child for whatever reason a parent did something really criminal was arrested or the child itself did something really inappropriate and everybody knows the teachers role is not to allow bullying and ganging up on the child. So this is not only about gender or sexual orientation. It's about anything when we deal with it with something that is inappropriate. Let's say There's a way of dealing with it. Even if we all agree that this thing needs to be dealt with. Now you'll say one second if I'm going to show sensitivity and I'm not going to allow people to slur and Bully it'll come across as if I'm endorsing that person's behavior is a way to deal with that teach your class that that's a lesson to be taught. You can say, we have a class there's different students in this class different backgrounds different ways of living we are here to respect each other. We may not agree with each other's way of living we may not agree with people's behavior, but there's never a right for a Listen to hurt another person. If you indeed feel this is a lesson in life. If you indeed ever meet somebody that you've disagree adamantly with the way they're living or behaving and you feel you want to do something about it that the way is not to go humiliate them demoralize posted bully cyber bullying whatever you really want care about the person maybe find out by their lives, maybe become a friend support them. In other ways. Once this trust is gained. You may have a positive influence. Don't go like a preacher in. Here to go change people. So there's an attitude so there's very important to distinguish something can be wrong. But the question is how you deal with it. Now, we're not talking about the wrong or right we're talking about how to deal with as a teacher you are living example of how to teach sent a DP sensitive to all people. Then doesn't mean you have to address this issue. I don't know if that's the the Mandate you have in the class to talk about gender and sexual orientations and so on but to teach people to be sensitive and kind is definitely your mandate as far as the issues themselves that has to be dealt with completely as a separate issue one is not connected to the next when a Jew comes into our soul and let's say it's dressed in a way that doesn't even fit into the show so you can start laughing at him. After you throw them out Tom you coming to synagogue be respectful or realize you know what you may not know better or even if he does know. He's a Jewish synagogue. He wants to come to synagogue. You never know. Why is there be kind and be loving gain trust and then at some point your friends, you know, we come to shul try to dress up a bit but not that moment only ones. There is already a warm relationship. We don't stand by the door and say I want to know all the sins you did today and then we'll first rebuke and You and then we'll talk. We don't look at it that way. Because we start looking that way who which person is going to enter a room or school as class or a Sewell without some blemish everybody has issues. So what do you can save only going to point out those that everybody knows that people have are pronouncing have somebody's coming to your sinigang your community your school and they want to influence others and they're trying to impose their philosophy and others equally sensitive. Why are you imposing we're not imposing anything on you don't impose on others. So discrimination can go both ways and everybody has to be respectful and all efforts have to be done properly discreetly sense of the modestly and especially if your intention is to really remedy a situation it never works by rebuking a humiliating all you doing breaking someone's heart and soul and does that help even if you end up count end up intimidating them. Is that what you want intimidating someone who you want someone to really grow? So to go back to your question, it's a balance and it's very easy to demonstrate how you're not condoning or in any way endorsing. You make it very clear. We have many differences you can have differences with your own family members about matters and we still love each other and that's the key thing to remember and distinguish. Okay. next question the writer write titles it studying psychology in Orthodox setting but the detail is actually is there a healthy need for ego? Hi. I wanted to know if the rebel was against the idea of secular education till you're full of Toyota or he just didn't like the University. I'm reading that even though that's not the focus of this question. I have a dress that many times. Also wanted to know I listen to your talk about logotherapy. That's Viktor Frankl. What I didn't understand is Sigmund Freud idea something a hostage to follow. I think I once read in a book. That about the need for the eagle. Referring obviously to Freud's egoism. Thank you for your video. Cicadas. You transformed my life, and I know of many more, okay. So first of all, we're going to secular education is not the topic since we was all part of one question. I read it. I don't have the episodes here. But I've discussed it many many times very easy to find just type in secular education and you'll get the rebels approach to represent approach was more complicated than just a specific thing. Yes. There was the University environment but there was also secular education per se and worshiping it turning it into our God almost deifying it and many other details, but I'm going to address the second half of the question. Is there a healthy need for ego? So first of all what you're referring to regarding Freud and logotherapy that I discussed the rubber of all the psychologists second psychologist Viktor Frankl rep has a leaning toward. Meaning sees a positive element because his key fundamental underlying Foundation is that the driving force in a human being is the search for meaning Man's Search for meaning in Freud is the ID. It's pleasure sexual. You have an ego and the super-ego that somewhat balanced it and then there are other Adler and young and others who have each one. What is the driving force? So meaning of course is very consistent with data the search for meaning the searching for purpose the search for God's purpose in this world, and he explains how the Jews in the Holocaust even though they suffer like everyone else because they had meaning and gave them an extra energy an extra will power to be able to endure. So yes, it's very antithetical Freud's Pleasure. Principle is very antithetical to Taylor because Taylor says a person has created a Divine image. Yes. We also have uh delivered them at a menorah, but that's impossible. Yeah. We also have a second inclination of every exit a V8 Sahara, but the essence of the person is good, but you have a battle and there's a reason for this battle. So one could argue. Okay, if that's the case ego seems to be driven by the animal soul. Yet we know that even at Sadiq even a Thomas Holcomb has two halves Minish a bitch - means an eighth of an eighth. Of some sense of self and ego why because of that he becomes an escape and addresses. It means a doormat that people walk over is a very big difference between humility and low self-esteem. Low self-esteem means you think you're nothing you're worthless humility, as a mouse's was jumbled humility means, you know, your strengths you're quite aware and you know that God blessed you with them the opportunities yet. You say it's not mine. It's God gave them to if someone else was blessed with them, they may have done better than I very different one is very self-assured but it's not about me that arrogance. The other one is completely no self-assurance. So we need to have ego but with this checked and harnessed towards having a sense. I'm mentioned before Bihar to be like a mountain to stand strong to send proud to feel confident that very healthy if it spills over to arrogance, then it's not that's what we need to check if it spills over to low self-esteem meaning not only am I not Out in a good way, but I feel worthless then you can do anything you demoralized you're unable to function. It doesn't bring to anything holy or positive. So it's like two ways that you can be debilitated one is through extreme arrogance once through extreme opposite of self denigration. And both are in a wave form of arrogance if you think about it, because who gave you the right who says you have a right to be say you worthless. God created you so some people use that arrogance and say I'm greater than everybody another say I'm worse than everybody and neither of us are acceptable A know the mass amounts of it's a decanter the mathematics Mirage a person can establish that there are righteous person. They can establish their a wicked person. That's not our domain. We're not objective and it's not something we're given to determine each of This is extraordinary. We all have something unique and indispensable by because God created you in the Divine image now because you're so special. It's not the case with the ate some yard. It's not due to your effort. Your efforts should be to actualize it. So we all have that element of healthy ego if you wish you can put it that way. Okay next question. Can a sociopath? Do chuva I'm not laughing sociopath is no laughing matter neither is a psychopath but the question and was one of the questions I'm not heard before it can a sociopath do chuva. Okay, so terms are vital here. How do we Define a sociopath the conventional psychological secular determination in the manual? Is that a sociopath is someone who's a disorder who is? socially socially disconnected from others and therefore can be cruel and insensitive and lacks empathy and can lead to worse things. There's discussion is a psychopath like a sociopath and there's going to consensus is that a psychopath is a sociopath but worse. Usually can also lead to even violence and other things but basically it's someone that's lacking the connection to other natural connection people have to each other to empathy the care. You're not going to hurt someone for no reason. So of course you can start saying so what is this a this and I'm going to go through every disorder right now now why is that vital because here comes the question if any of these disorders if psychos out a psychopath or sociopath is something that's not up to your choice. Then you could say then those even have to do to prove. It's not up to him or her. But we know it's not a property baby. The Taylor says not to behave that way. So the question is how could the Tater command something that some people have no control over that's why we have to conclude that from at eight of us in this approach. There's no such thing a person who is compelled that must hurt other people that must be insensitive to other people even if there's an inclination like that. Let's even say that you can Define that there's something in the personality of the person not do to nurture not due to an acquired behavior. They picked it up from parents or others. That was behaved in the sociopathic manner. But even if you argue, it's part of a person's makeup, that doesn't mean you have to act on it. So in that sense you have control of not acting on it. Even if there's an inclination and therefore person did act on it. Yes. Absolutely. They can do chuva and repair their ways. There's a big debate amongst professionals. Can you heal? Can you remedy a sociopath and of course the size psychopath some say you can't some say you could my tag you could limit and minimize the symptoms. But not always through just cultivating the Motions but making them very self-aware for person is extremely self aware. They can see when something is rising some type of just like an angry person who's not self-aware will have outbursts Tantrums, but when you become self-aware you begin to check yourself and say, oh you're not something's happening. Let me do something about it. So from a tail Exodus approach now discussing secular approaches, even if you were to say person has an element of that. The personality you can do something about it behavioral control. And that can also lead to also deeper control. You act like you love people and you end up loving people. It's a Mitzvah after the commercial start with actions start with the area treat someone nicely and even if you don't feel it, you can end up becoming nice you say one second have a cycle sociopathic symptoms. So what so that it doesn't mean you can't behave nicely to someone doesn't say anywhere sociopath can be nice. It doesn't want to be nice extends. Its tendency is not to be nice. Let's put it that way. His nature is not but since when do we bomb by Nature? Control yourself nowhere. Does it say a sociopath or psychopath must hurt people even if you have that as I said element or disorder if you want to call it that even if that's true and that needs to be established as well. You can curb your behavior and control it. And yes, you could even be nice not only not be not nice. You could also be nice. So in that sense chuva is possible correcting repairing and we all know truth is coming to the same situation and are doing it again. But predicated is that the person is doing something about it. It's not just will tell you you know, what there's always hope for true. But what are you doing about it now. Those are you reaching out for someone for help. Are you challenging yourself? Because the end of the day with the trader considers demands of us is to challenge yourself. How do you know you have it? All right. Now we know narcissism could be such a person doesn't even think that they could ever be wrong, but I don't know if a sociopath is the same maybe it could be a sociopathic narcissist again. This is getting complicated but I will say that the first step in everything is to teach people awareness and this everybody can learn your open up our Toyota you open up a scenario open up on my mix. It has a secret and you see how kind people behaved how compassionate people trust treated each other and you say this is a lesson, too. At least start an action if that's your standard and you're fighting for it. So then you become aware have somebody point you say that, you know anything about my behavior that may be insensitive. So say yes, by the as a matter of fact, if you're responsive to that you're going on your way to the issue to solving the issues. Is it completely solved like we all have we have many inclinations that if we don't act on it, it doesn't become a monster. It doesn't mean that we never will have a temptation. But then it can go into the category. It's under control. Okay. next question sleep thus it has ever expect us to sleep less than is normally required as you see the questions continues to come in from all directions again a question that I don't recall being asked. So this is expect us to ever sleep less than is normally required. Here's the full question. I recently read a story how the previous rubber instructed Zama Misha. It's hockey. It's cocky was a famous cause of the physical element that I'm gonna shop to study to see this at midnight after he was done with his daily Affairs that ever told them that first it'll be difficult. But after a few weeks, it will get easier. I have a very hard time with this because if I get less sleep, I'm a mess. I cannot function the next day at work many days. I have to force myself to get in bed at a decent time 11:15 so I can get up and make it to minion and work. So what's your advice? Also? I struggle every year with saying the entire to hilum Yom Kippur night. How important is this Baruch Hashem. I managed to finish till my son a table and Shabbos Maverick him but Yom Kippur night. They just haven't mastered yet. Okay, great questions. So first of all, let's make this clear. This is a story with a cousin like Zama. Meisha does not necessarily mean that the rebel would tell you the same thing. Yet there's a story and we know the stories sound the only person we have other stories as well the famous story that I'll be strong leveler was actually a marketing with mesh. So never let the zebra sharbo installed them suggested them or told him. He should stay up Thursday night Miss Myrtle urn. Okay, the rabbit says you do it but what is that? What does this all due time to time? You got a little tired. So Thursday afternoon. If sometimes take a nap and that way Thursday night, it could be up three dkw took meticulous attendance of the bar element template meme noticed in together with our brush after reviewing that personal never The Barker is Thursday's disappears from time to time from seder you Shiva the rebel a shop called him in. Some of them and said to be slow wasn't us my hi. What is this? She says that ever said I should stay up Thursday night. I'm all done for mechanic honest. Sometimes you need to make preparations to stay up and I was hinting why he went to take a nap the rebbe rishabh answered him two main cease. Well as fun slaven can come and see Mitchell often you think from sleeping you can come to not sleeping. In other words a whole point of not sleeping means that you're in a state of Ohio State you're going to sleep to prepare some not to sleep to be in that higher state. Now this set to everybody. Listen health comes first always the smart the Meridian after second Ibaka or any person that has issues needs to address those issues. You cannot put your health at risk and there are being made that all so clear and yet they gave this directives to know that if your health is good that no see this kite means you have to indulge remember sleeping that I'm not talking says how much a person should sleep. The average is seven hours or six hours eight hours different people have different needs different. His name's but sleeping is not an end in itself sleeping also has an indulgent side to it. Put some Slough. He likes to slide like that. Just love that. Everyone's told her husband that by my father bring in. There are few people who sleep with their eyes closed and many sleep with their eyes open social often is more than just physical sleep to be a first love from the person to be a drowsy person to be low maintenance sleep is a necessity. God created it refreshes us. That doesn't mean you have to be mahad here to do over do it. Why? Because that's exactly sleep is not an end in itself. So this talks about sleep as an example for goals actually. The goal is everything is on low maintenance. The Flames are low. It's like a human being when they're sleeping. They are full. They're not fully functional. They're breathing. The mind is working but it's all in low Allah o burner kiss to the Caillou's it's called very slow. And that's why sleep is considered when you wake up in the morning. There's too many fingers. You have to watch negative has the soul gets refreshed sleep can also bring great Revelations, but sleep itself is considered a inferior State than Awake when you're alert that's why Godless is called scheana how you knew could tell me we were like dreamers and sleep and go all this considered waking up think of being alert completely conscious and cognizant. So the I concept has to be understood in that obviously in a way in context. Some people can not really go without a few number of hours of sleep. So they have to realize and focus on the quality of the message and wherever possible sometimes you do have to push yourself with it's a shiny WM keep But and their oxidant and even today people who worked on themselves that you need less sleep. I don't need indulges were just like I don't need to eat so much. I don't need to sleep so much but it's case-by-case. Terrible Richard once said when I asked him, how do you sleep so little he said mazurkas a compassionate they say I do think they're swiftly have a head the graphs quickly. So I also sleep quickly. I always thought of it as an aside that you know today we know there REM rapid eye movement is the moment when sleep really Rates us is sometime early morning 4:00 5:00 a.m. When the they measured to and take my monitor it that is a moment when there's some type of a cell regeneration. I can search the time of most people dream but that sort of so intense you can just enter it. So that's why you need hours beforehand like incense to take off and then you need some hours afterwards to land. So you can say that every time shop didn't need to take off in the land use able to right away excess go straight cut to the chase. Wait to that moment of regeneration. Just a thought the rest of us have to do what we have to do. As I said it shall always never be at the expense of health and that's something you can review but it's also and the concept I once heard that ever told us that happen. I should have told someone who used to say thick and hot sauce at midnight the certain prayer on the goal is and so on so he once fell asleep came to Deborah shop for a tickin. What should I do? I fell asleep. I always say every night whenever I shot said with like a surprise we come to this. As I eat in these Kampala bus of Zen goof. How is it possible that a Jew? Is that control over his body? You can say when second we all get exhausted we get tired, but the rabbit was and this was not a cost of the highest level necessary was it that was saying to him who has to be control of your body in the falling asleep. He wasn't criticizing him. He was just pointing out that there's a higher standard higher expectation. So I hope I address the issue and again case-by-case talk to you much beer, but the theme the point is very clear about what this is. You know, we are here to work to work hard and not just to sleep away our days out of escapism or avoidance or just plain boredom. I also refer you to episode 160 where I talk more about sleep in general and with that. Let's move to the next topic handshakes. Handshake so this is a topic I've addressed but I will address it now again, and here's the question. Are there any situations when we can shake hands with someone from the opposite gender? Yep, so I'm going to read the questions and I read a book was the new questions came in even though I did address the topic how soon before you firstly thank you for the time and effort you spend and invest in sharing your knowledge and Clarity with us all I greatly appreciated and look forward to each episode. I especially admire your straight forward substitution and honest attitude. My question is regarding Slickers as well as a professional work atmosphere both of which I'm involved in. How should I deal with accepting? Handshakes from the opposite gender. Are there any leniency is or times when I met Sheikh his/her hand, I'm afraid certain people will be very turned off by might decline to their handshake and often. I find it extremely uncomfortable and hard to get around. I look forward to hearing your response in the near future. Thank you very much. Another person writes. Hi Rabbi. I'm not sure if you have talked about this in the past. I wanted to know what your take is on men shaking hands with women and vice versa. Is there a difference in conduct of the hostages - Lea or Rabbi of community or doing business and if I could be so bold to ask you. What do you what do you do personally a person who cares PS. Please don't mention this publicly. Okay, I won't but basically I was in a place where I saw somebody shake a woman's hand. I'm not mentioning any City. So this I feel it's appropriate to say it. I did not approach them because I felt uncomfortable. I think I did think perhaps there was a good reason and obviously if you don't feel comfortable answering what you do personally what you personally do no pressure. Okay. So I address this very directly and episodes 89 139 and 141. And it's based on how lhasa it's based on a locker. There are different opinions, but based on a lock that it says about opposite genders. Not only that there should be no relation is there should be no key roof shouldn't even get close. So the they derive from that and some say it's me that I say that you don't even touch question is touching in the form of affection or not an affectionate touch and there are two there are opinions, but the consensus is and definitely the highest standard is is to avoid it altogether. So I can send you this sources, but if you want the sources just email us but send us your email address because we don't have it on the form. It's Anonymous, but there is a discussion about it is that I'm bombed is that I'm bond is the chakra being the Aina. And overall the consensus is even if there are some that are more lenient in the context when it's for business or it's like not affectionate. But even then how do you determine where the across where do you draw the line? So generally speaking the consensus is to avoid it altogether. Now, what do you do? The questions asked in the halacha there as well they say. And what about his embarrassment? Barisan? Another person is also how long so how do you which one Trump's which embarrassing somebody or not shaking hands. So there there are different opinions. If there is outside of an affectionate. It's not personal. However, there are those that say even that reason there's no that's not acceptable and one of them is our locker the mission our lockers from a national Klein. He writes three reasons three reasons many decides was disagree with the shock even though the shock I'll tell you that does give some leniency and write that even touch that is not affection is forbidden. Number two, their socks lenient ruling is in regard to a doctor involved in his work. It is possible even he would forbid handshaking in other circumstances and number three, even if a handshake begins, unaffectionate, you can easily lead to something more affectionate which all would forbid So that's the consensus what people do actually I'm not going to speak for others. You asked about me. I'll tell you what I do what I have done because I'm a very public scenarios very often. I'm in bookstores signing books and people don't even have a clue and then that even people there who know so generally I avoid it can I say every time know their people put their hand inside and I did Shake I didn't pull away when I did the right thing or not. I can't tell you but that's what I did at the moment but not initiated it and then I went I did a something even better. I came up with a better idea. I don't think anybody's hands not men and not women. I'm an author I'm eccentric. Maybe I that maybe they think I'm obsessed with germs whatever it is. So I become that's that's the easiest approach for me. At least. I don't think anyone's I don't shake my nerves into in cuz it's very awkward you shake the man's hand woman's not so I decided I'm not shaking anyone's hand. It's much easier other people have different ways and methods and I'm not here to preach to anyone what to do. Talk about. How lock our lockers are. Locker and I again, I'm not defending what I've done because I know quite a wealthy our lockers. So we're times that Towing did that I will tell you an interesting story. I was once an event there was a playwright. They're known playwright the woman as she was being honored. Everybody was shaking her hand. I was there and now I'm there and everybody's watching I did not shake her hand and everybody was so shocked because was like, she's the star she's being honored to be a celebrity. And the woman says to me quietly, you know, that's very refreshing. It's very refreshing later. She told me privately that there was someone else a rabbi who not just touched her not just shook her hand, but it was more than that was very affectionate and she said was very refreshing. So interesting. I think it has to be done always sensitively and if neither explaining explain it is awkward. It's one of the challenges. I'm not suggesting it's not but we know the taters. Definitely need to see this. So I gave you the picture as best as I can and short but I refer you to those other episodes right disgusted much more at length and in general knowing information is always best because when you know, you know, the the potatoes the sources the reasons for it and even if there is a Linnaeus, you know that too and then you have to make a decision based with a Rover must be and not just based on your own your own. Your own sensibilities, but based on that tire and a lock and and the given situation, okay. We'll do a follow-up then we'll do the see this question. What is the follow-up? Two follow-ups one is about mustache. So last week I spoke about the mustache. They asked about trimming or cutting the mustache and I said, I have not seen something but I mentioned that there's two opinions so actually few people wrote to me that it's there ever does have a letter about it, which is printed. in the gig risque this volume 19 page 422 so the devil says regarding your question about shaving or trimming and cutting your mustache represents his since I did not hear about it. It did not hear a direct directive about this and open a favor directed and there's just dumb luck or no luck on their opinions this way and that way that's where you should look at. You should check out and try to clarify the minigun - the custom among her Nash meaning the community and our body our national bottom of an ash No who may know the actual behavior of older system. The Harem I said of an action is always most powerful how people actually behaved that's addition to what we discussed. I believe it's also printed in volume 32 and we could decisions this letter Okay, one more Spa low up. This was not a follow-up to tournament to meet to him. Sorry to my life's it has applied as a follow-up to. Something I spoke about in one of my other programs as you may know I have other problems every Wednesday night. I do a class and there's other short videos and texts and and articles that I right. You can always go to meaningful life and you could check out and subscribe to any of them. So one of them is called Soul work out. So this person writes in regards to the soul work on that. You talked about learning from Your Body Sensations. Okay, because their talks about learning and listening to your body as it speaks to you. Someone asked the following. I understand your general meeting meaning why I'm sure that's not your intention. You're not mentioning that some people experience chronic pain from debilitating disease can make your message appeared to me to be insensitive and hurtful. There's nothing there's nothing people who are in constant pain would like more than to feel the no feeling of being Okay, so my comment on that is what I said. There was that there's a certain element when you say to somebody that's healthy. What does it feel like being healthy? They have an answer. It's not a good sign healthy should not feel like anything. You shouldn't feel anything when your breathing your heart is beating. If you feel a sensation, that means something is either racing too quickly or something is blocking God forbid and so on and yet there are sometimes Sensations that tell us that there's a problem. So this person is saying seems insensitive some people don't want pain. It's not coming because they have a problem. They have chronic pain. So yes, I should have qualified it or not. The fact is we can always qualify everything and I qualify it. Now people have chronic pain need to look at a different thing why God would send it to them, but to suggest that they're trying to be conscious of themselves, obviously not and there's nothing to suggest that they're unhealthy in their attitude. They didn't ask for the pain so I can allege that and thank you for pointing that out to me. Let's duel. Now the see this question, please explain the It meant that for certain Souls that I should be. Like those be there was no husband no destruction of the best hamikdash. This is a statement written in Pella Harriman from a behavioral parature in the name of Amon-Ra. Her name of Rabbi Isaac Hamlet, even though there's a question whether that's only means but it seems so and the rubber ones is because he writes a manure means something he passed away and he hadn't passed away when that moment was said, but the emphasis perhaps the Miami was said or written later. Then he heard from him which means it came from the name of the Alta debe. Oh, I think he says it comes to how terrible the financial services committee has realized that remember his claw for highness. Some is greatness shamans. Like let us be the best. I mean this was never destroyed some asked to explain what this means. Let me begin with since we're talking to this question. We know in say the stylus there's many levels and one of them is called the world of Thai. Oh and there's the world of tickin tell you like we say in whom is the second part of our audit says to tell you of of are you tell you is a spiritual world the cabal explains where the tension of of incompatible energies and containers was too much and cause the containers to shatter not physically. Conceptually, and now that one moment it's a Perpetual tension. Take one repairs it in a sense tikun Olam evaders habiru Liam is separating and clarifying from the debris and putting it back in order and repairing the world are preparing good for the ghoul amnesiac when the balloon will be finished. We have the goal. So this is a speeder. This feels like a link to this explains is rooted in the symptom addition God concealing himself in turn the sweeter side Calum impacted a bunch of series of events this imbalanced cause the meal talavana the diminishing of the Moon which in turn leads to hesitate siddhas Adam and Eve eating from the Tree of knowledge every inconsistency every Rift. In history in time originates from these so-called breaks these shattering, 's including of course the destruction of the temple holding base. I'm English by a solution and by his Cheney every Corbin is not a positive thing. The house could not stand any longer either due to certain sins or due to sin as hinnom divisiveness. How could I rest among you when you're a war with each other So the skin is nostalgic and the place remains wholly the heart of ice but the building is no longer there being in base. I mean, especially she says well being in its key. It will be an eternal edifice never be destroyed again. So where's Destruction come from? It comes from an inconsistent installs. There are many Summers that are not affected by that. That doesn't mean that there's be did not fast on Tisha b'av. This does not mean that they don't understand that something was destroyed. First of all the destruction happen for all college law and Cabanas were not brought any more including them, but the concept of that destruction they were not affected directly because they're in the summer comes from a place that's higher than destruction that cannot be destroyed. I'm discussed earlier - be bridged premise and it's and premise and Nicholas detailed the inner and the outer he was a neshama that transcended destruction. That's why I was able to reveal the innermost secrets of theta to give us the power to correct and repair the destruction. It's like you need something from Beyond above the system to help repair the system. It's interesting who else would go into this category like rugby, but he stated clearly about him and that's why that's be was To you can lift the color in them called him in and then I'm able to to atone to be able to absolve din din is symptom dinners Corbin and so on from all people like baima has the power of goola goola Ditka power like Michelle has that power Premier cetera a power that brings energy from a place that's beyond destruction to help us repair when things are broken. They has the question. That is why I did that is I say Al Kut These sins are not sure today's also students explained. Number one. He said it for the generation number two. He's part of the generation everything. The generation has some subtle weights and him like the story of the mitla debe who had to find within himself subtle subtle some issue that someone mentioned to the letter B couldn't give him a tick one until he repaired within himself. She have to say that I should be who was part of the Jewish people felt their pain. He himself was in the summer from a greater place. but he had to come in to make them stick in like we know that after 12 years in the might and the in the cave, he came out and everything weren't able to said you have to go back a 13 by Ministry and come out and repair everything. So to that tolerate the brakes and the pettiness of this world was not the cover on res be initially was in that level then he got to a higher level everything you have to repair. So obviously he identified with it, but he himself was from the world Beyond break and therefore has the power to repair and that's why we invoke his name. I got payment because we wanted to help us achieve that goal the Ditka power to bring the Golda to repair all brakes. Someone like as B4 which through there was no hope at all. Now. Let's do the next three essays. This is going in order from the top essays which we announced right before Paisa. So now we're going to the next three essays. The first one is this is essay contest year 2019 and they're all still in the top 10. So they're all excellent. Essays. This is considering lessons on growing through trauma by Adams of Michelle age 18 Melbourne, Australia student in Melbourne's owl. There are very few human rights, if any people who will not or will not face some measure who have not or will not face some measure of trauma in their lives. Obstacles are inseparable feature of any Journey. The obvious question is to this teachers that is within the souls power. It's interesting. It's connected to the carbon that I just spoke with students teachers that is within the souls power to experience each event and up for growth. See I have set before you today life and prosperity as well as death and disaster. It's a book posthumous the obvious question becomes how how does an invisible and individual Community people Society Rouse rise above trauma and grow using the five-factor post-traumatic growth inventory for measuring growth after trauma. This essay will discuss a specific methodology supported by teachings and tales of the Chabad Rebellion for facilitating ptg. That's post-traumatic growth. and goes on to the inventory the five steps five factors personal strengths new possibilities appreciation of Life relating to others spiritual change and go to each one of them and shows our see this teaches us how to do so excellent essay could have easily been a winner as I said, these are small little points fraction of points that determine one from the next I definitely highly recommend reading this essay which is posted now because it has applied that cam just go to essays and you'll see the new Essays that are posted very well done. Well annotated excellent. Excellent essay. Good next. Essay is in Hebrew. As I said many many as is came from Hebrew. It is called Hot Stove exceeded laughter autocracy Ballymena modernly specific response oxidic approach to them. to the what's I say to the fear and to the That exist in our modern world. Cause a Model A out of Bays aleph Menachem Mendel deltal age 22 Yokohama in Israel is a student attempted women in that area. And he writes. It's Hebrew. He says I said it's posted he talks exactly about that fear. And again, excellent essay talks about how cognitive psychology addresses it. And its limitations how she does her muzzle booster packs in the suggested her behavior of both psychology dresses. It. Actually I should have gone the other way how they start with cognitive psychology. Behavioral psychology the shit and Taylor and mustard and then the model that comes from cities that revolutionizes a new approach in dealing with fear in transforming it not just avoiding it and I've just countering it. To understand its roots Beyond its symptoms and he calls it a lot of Basil of an excellent. Excellent human looking the three things are in Amman. I don't see it on of hand soap. Sorry about that. Yeah in one beat Austin. and okay, look it up yourself. I'm gonna Iman and the talking. Okay, and one of the talking and a moon a moon is Faith the toxins trust in him on his is another form of commitment. And that is that sa good that's a number two, and now the third essay and again in Hebrew egoism made by Yael Patrona egoism from problem to solution Levi will home age to age 17 fast Israel student is Shiva Chabad and swass. And he writes exactly about that egoism again another excellent essay and talks about ego. How do we look at ego? I discussed it a bit earlier in this program, but he this is much more comprehensive and analyzes. What exactly is the ego? It's symptoms what part are positive elements of it? What are the root of it? How do you Channel and harness ego? And ultimately the Bittle to the Creator are bitten Exodus teaches us how to take our lives and align it to a higher purpose tremendously good essay again, and it could have easily been another winner. It is a winner but I'm talking about the top winners that won the prize has very good outline just going through it all. Yeah, so that their you got the third essay this week's three essays every week. What I do is I review the order of the marks the s Is so your essays will come up and look forward. We try to let you know before hand so you can share it and listen to it as we speak about them. So with this we conclude this week's episode 261 of my life is it has supplied everyone should have an Ishtar found Ditka week taking pesach sheni less and know you can always do better. You can always grow you can always repair even something that may have been overlooked or lost opportunities like button. My that opens up all the channels but hard to stand proud and they are chambliss is sold and this week of like Bayman. We have been lifted: culminated in so as the rambam explain that as be can take didn't take the mortgages as a didn't means also the dean of colors that has be can take us out of colors and ultimate like Bayman even before like them and we should be redeemed in the Golem. It is vastly know. We're here every Sunday. My life says, it's applied Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. All these programs are archived can be listened to To anytime you can download it podcast. And I and all other forms and platforms everyone have a very blessed week. And I and all other forms and platforms everyone have a very blessed week.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS • Chassidus Applied to Pesach Sheni and Lag B’Omer 0:10 • Lessons from Behar 12:30 • As an orthodox Jew teaching in a secular school, how do I navigate and draw the line between insisting kindness and acceptance of all students in our classroom, and normalizing or condoning behavior that is forbidden by Torah? 17:50 • Is there a healthy need for ego? 26:30 • Can a sociopath do teshuva? 31:45 • Does Chassidus ever expect us to sleep less than is normally required? 37:30 • Are there any situations when we can shake hands with someone from the opposite gender? 45:10 • Follow-up (episode 260): Moustache; Consciousness 51:33 • Chassidus question: Please explain the statement that for certain souls, like Rashbi, there was no churban (destruction of the Beis HaMikdash). 54:50 • My Life 2019 essay contest winners:    o Chassidic Lessons on Growing through Trauma, Aharon Zev Moshel, 18, Melbourne, Australia 1:00:45    o מודל א.ב.א. – התשובה החסידית להפרעות החרדה בעולמנו המודרני, Menachem Mendel Dekel, 22, Yokne-am, Israel 1:02:32    o אגואיזם – מבעיה אל פתרונה, Levi Wilhelm, 17, Tzfat, Israel 1:04:42

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Now as always I just want to encourage you to listen with an open mind horoscopes are a general kind of art. There are a ton of people on the planet and there are not only twelve kinds of people. So as I offer your horoscope, I'm offering General suggestions and the energy that I'm receiving from the chart may or may not be applicable to you in exactly the way that I speak it. So, please listen for the sentiment or the Symbolism and what I'm saying apply it to yourself intuitively if you associate to something that I'm saying, that's the right thing. You can go down that road. Listen a couple of times ask questions to yourself kind of consider all the different ways that you could think about what I'm offering and always take what works leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are simply suggestions here for your best benefit and positive Evolution. I want to encourage you to listen to the horoscopes for at least Your son and your rising sign your sun sign is the season that you are born. It's what you answer when someone asks. Hey, what's your sign? Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born not everybody has this information, and so if you don't know your rising sign your sun sign is awesome to listen to some people really get into listening for their Moon signs for their Venus signs. There are all different signs for all the planets in your chart and really many of the horoscopes could speak to you. So I hope you or whichever ones you listen to hello Capricorn. Welcome to Lio season Leo season begins on July 22nd. And so on August 22nd and for you Leo rules, what is called the solar eighth house? So for the Capricorn rising chart Leo is in the 8th house. If you're a Capricorn Sun person with a different rising sign make sure to also listen for your rising sign and then when you listen to this horoscope, listen from the perspective of kind of a deeper, Since of your spirit or deep Inner Essence of your being so the meaning of the 8th house in the astrological wheel is the place where I think about kind of the subtext or the deeper emotional experiences that we come into in relationship and relationship is with anybody. So other social relationships and especially lie with important other people your partner's so this includes your business partners, you're very good friends. And of course life Partners spouses this kind of thing the place where we find information about Partners in the chart is in your solar seventh house. That's the sign that cancer rules and last month. If you listen to your horoscope for Cancer season, this was a big area of focus what's going on in the partnership or Partnerships or your sense as a social being kind? How you are in the outer World a lot of kind of movement and all the personal planets over the summer kind of piling up in cancer than Leo then Virgo so last month, we had a lot of emphasis in Partnership and how things are kind of unfolding in that area of life. This could have included as well. Just your perception of yourself in the external World kind of your Social self as well as things that come up in your relationship. Oops, and the 7th house is very much an intellectual house. And so this is where we have ideas about what kinds of relationships we want to be in and where we make agreements based on those ideas. And then as we begin Leo season, there's just more and more energy now moving into your solar Eighth House and this is the place that is kind of both underneath and after and precipitating the agreements that we make in It but it's more of a subtle and sometimes subconscious emotional anchoring that then gets stimulated within our relationships. And so I think of this place often as the place of Shadow because it's where the stuff that's hard to talk about is or the stuff that's hard to see in ourselves is the Eighth House can be a place of Secrets. And shame and insecurity. It can be a place of jealousies. It can also be a place of extreme passion and eroticism and magnetism. There's a lot of power there and as all of the personal planets now start to move into your solar Eighth House beginning with the sun on July 22nd. And then later in the month Venus Mercury will also move into Leo Mars has They're so there's a lot of attention and energy in this part of your chart now and the personal planets bring our personal awareness. So we have the consciousness of this sun the articulate articulate event. Maybe that's not quite the right word the capacity for articulation that mercury brings the mental capacity Venus is bringing a softness a love nature, but also deep consideration. And appreciation and then Mars brings your motivation your will and one thing that kind of occurs to me as I'm looking at. This chart is just how much you've been going through a very deep and constant unfolding and transformation process over the last decade and of course if you're familiar with your astrology, this has a lot to do with Pluto and now Moving through your sign Pluto since 2008 Saturn since 2017 really asking you to confront the parts of yourself that are formulaic that are outdated that are rigid that are non-relational and pushing you to break down your barriers to dissolve the places where you get in your own way to confront your own misunderstanding and miscommunication. us use of power so that you can become more empowered and the sense that I get for you and Leo season is that you're going to get a whole lot of pretty immediate and quite personal understanding of all of these issues kind of how you are keeping yourself back or how you have been keeping yourself back the nature of your deeper desires deeper longing underneath all of the That Capricorn carries and sometimes doesn't even know that it's carrying. You might come into kind of a confrontation with the parts of your psyche and the parts of your being that are fucked up. They're fearful their manipulative. They are insecure they're acting from imbalanced space. And the way that you come into contact with them is through very close awareness. S so this is not something that's kind of like happening and you're feeling crazy. But you don't know why it's like you can look at it. So when I say these things might be coming up in Leo season. I don't actually think that's a bad thing. I think that it's potentially very positive thing that you're kind of getting this close up view of the ways that you have been keeping yourself back the barriers that you have to love the fear is that you have around intimacy around Leti all of this and more coming up in Leo season. So this this 8th house territory is very rich territory. It is kind of the deep wealth of the psyche and unfortunately, I think a lot of us, you know, certainly people growing up in Western cultures. I don't have that much. Clarity with Eastern cultures. I feel like there's maybe a little bit more appreciation of death as a part of life less grasping to individualism and achievement that could be my own projection, but certainly in the United States and Western Europe. There's not a lot of tools that are given for people to work with death as as a concept and kind of the non self or the letting go of personal ego. And the eighth house is a very much a place where you get to practice that so this is the house of death and death happens all the time. It's not necessarily the house of your actual death or the death of other people this season, but you may be burying some stuff this month. You may be killing some stuff this month and what you would be killing what you would be burying our old mechanism. Eames of defensiveness old grudges that you've been carrying for a long time resentments. You might be outing some secrets you might have a kind of purging purgative experience where stuff kind of Wells up and you're like, oh my god. I've been carrying around this toxic stuff for so long and now I'm going to kind of cleanse myself of it and put it to rest. So the 8th house has a very powerful energy. To it. There is a kind of thin veil between the material world and the spiritual world in the 8th house is the place of the occult and over the course of Leo season. You may be receiving quite a lot of sensation of kind of a mysterious nature your emotions may feel quite intense for anybody who's listening that has a practice around connecting connecting. To your psychic faculties Leo season has a lot of potential for you and you can really use this season to connect kind of connect your conscious awareness to your subconscious awareness and the subconscious awareness is still the ego. So it's still your insecurities your dreams your deep deep deep patterns, you know patterns that From Early Childhood even gestation, but there's still some kind of sense of self in it. So this is a really good season to do Soul retrieval work inner child process things like that as kind of emotional clearing time as well as to kind of encounter the sense of spiritual community and in just a minute as I get into talking about. The rest of the planets and what's going on? I'll mention some more about that. But there's a lot of fire in this season. Of course Leo is a fire sign Jupiter is currently in Sagittarius a fellow fire sign on the day that Leo season begins. The Moon is conjunct Chiron and Aries. And so this gives the the entire month this quite remarkable kind of passion and for you in the Capricorn soul. Chart this really links up your spiritual ancestral awareness spaces. So this is a really powerful month for you to be getting in touch with some deeper more Cosmic metaphysical vibrations. And if that's your jam spend at least some amount of this month giving yourself the space to listen in. All right, so I'm going to talk. Talk a little bit about some more notable events in the month ahead. If you want a more detailed breakdown consider subscribing to embodied astrology. You can subscribe at any amount per month and you'll get my extended forecast for Leo season, that's not by sign, but it will give you a lot of information about what's going on through the month and you can apply that to your chart. So the first thing I'll mention for the upcoming month is just What I've already mentioned is that Venus is going to move into the sign on July 27th and Venus. Will Transit Leo through August 21st. So this is a really helpful energy for you to be doing this deeper Shadow work encountering kind of aspects of your more subconscious self and bringing love into those places. This is a supportive Ally for you to be practicing self love and to allow this kind of purging that I was talking about. Out to actually be a really gentle and healing process on July 31st. There's a new moon at eight degrees of Leo. This is also the day that mercury stations direct at 24 degrees of cancer. And then it'll move back into Leo where it started its retrograde. So July 31st is a really powerful day for a new beginning and for you. This is a new beginning in this place of intimacy of vulnerability of Secrets of your kind of deep emotional self. And as mercury turns direct, it's it's turning Direct in your house. Partnerships and important relationships and you may feel that the Mercury retrograde three weeks of Mercury retrograde has really brought a lot to the surface for you in terms of what you want in Partnership what's important for you what you're wanting to agree to and use the new moon energy to kind of solidify your intent for this new cycle in this new layer of awareness that you have make sure to check in with me and bodied astrology for a new moon ritual of some sort that day as well on August 11th. Jupiter will station direct your honest will station retrograde and Mercury will move into Leo where it will Transit through August 29th. You're on a stations Direct in Sagittarius. It has been retrograde since April 10th. Sagittarius is the sign before yours. It rules the space of your unconscious. So the unconscious as opposed to the Sub Conscious subconscious still has an anchor in the ego. The unconscious is completely Eagle s so this Where we connect to the collective it is where we lose our selfhood where we remember our Oneness with all life or all manifestation and Sagittarius turns direct. There's some sense here that I get of a spiritual Readiness that since April there's been some kind of reflection period that has been happening in this very deep kind of soul level space. And now I started her as Jupiter is Being Direct in this place. It's like you're ready to move into the next phase of your life. You don't want to be held back by fear anymore. You are kind of moving forward. And for the rest of Sagittarius of Jupiter's Transit through Sagittarius. You've got a lot of support to move forward through psychic boundaries through kind of old emotional barriers and stuff like that. You're honest is turning retrograde and Taurus Taurus rules your solar fifth house. This is the place of your For energy Your vitality your joy your creativity as you're honest turns retrograde and it'll be retrograde until January of next year really devote yourself, like commit to spending these next five months really considering your joy really consider your life energy in January. There's a very powerful Transit happening in your sign. This is Saturn and Pluto coming together and on the day that they come together. You are honest will station direct and by January We 10th January 12th or so. You reach some kind of conclusion about something. It's like an awareness about yourself a cycle is over. You are ready to move into something very very new and over the course of these next five months. You're really considering how you want to use your life energy and what it is that brings you Joy like what feels like it's actually energizing actually worth getting out of bed for you're actually interested in it. And come January you're going to be ready to put more priority towards those activities that people those experiences over these upcoming five months. It's a really good time for you to recognize what does not bring you Joy and clear it out clear it out of your life as mercury moves into Leo on August 11th, as I mentioned it will Transit Leo through August 29th. This is bringing even more attention. Tune into your subconscious and with Mercury and Leo, you are really supported to articulate the the shadowy stuff insecurities again fears jealousies the kind of gnarly stuff that comes up and relationship. We're Journal about it talk to your therapist talk to friends if it's appropriate talk to your relationships about what your understanding, but you have a lot of access. You should use it this month to clarify again what it is that you really want what feels appropriate and aligns with your own energy and what you're recognizing in terms of your own patterns and habits is ready to release on August 15th. Mercury's Shadow is complete and that means that mercury is moving full steam ahead through Leo projects that you began back around the summer solstice June 21st ideas. You had then might be ready to start to move. Forward as well. This is also the day of the full moon in Aquarius and make sure to check back in with embodied astrology then again for a full moon ritual of some kind the full moon illuminates your Eight Second axis. So the full moon is in the second house of earned income of values and value systems. There may be some recognition for yourself around how you can support whatever it is. That is bringing you Joy, whatever it is that you truly desire and how As you move towards these desires this Vitality in this Joy you in turn are resource done supported on August 17th Mars moves into Virgo where it will Transit through October 4th, and then on August 21st Venus moves into Virgo where it will Transit through September 15th and soon after that the sun will follow on August 23rd as we begin Virgo season so Mars Venus and the Sun and then soon to be Mercury as well will now move into Virgo Virgo rules your solar 9th house. The ninth house is the place of High Learning High teachings pursuit of wisdom. And where you make meaning out of your life where you come into contact with your belief systems and where you seek to expand your belief systems where you seek to understand what this life is about and make meaning for yourself Mars coming into this part of your chart gives you a lot of energy to pursue a new meaning of Some kind you may be motivated to travel to take up some kind of course of study or some other initiation into what feels like an expansion of your perspective Venus coming into this part of your chart lens joy to these kinds of behaviors, you are really wanting to grow in some way. This is a really good time for you to pursue any kind of learning any kind of activity where you feel like your mind is getting blown. And as the sun follows beginning in Virgo season that just emphasizes this energy more. So it's an exciting month for you my Capricorn friend a lot to work with and if you work with it, if you are fearless and working with it, you will get through a lot, and I think this has very profound implications for your relationships as well as Your vitality and just kind of basic happiness. All right friends. Happy Leo season. Thank you so much for listening. Ying and bye for now.

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What camp was though? I didn't know I can't bless. How do you guys know? I'm not basic bitch that did not know I'm a theater kid. I know what camp it means over the top. I means well, Yeah, I got it after the fact that we have a minute. I was like this is not woodsy or for see ya. It has nothing to do with that. But it's Halloween even though it's really not it's a Halloween party. This is what we're talking about. It's going to be two parties a charity party a Halloween party one really bad speech tweets by me news by Chels. We have a show to talk about let's break it down have a show. We gotta show sober Sonia starting it off and she's Saying if B looks hot tonight, I'm going to make out with her and she did and she did Barbara is / she looked really scary. She was like she looked like slash slash is scary. I mean, he's not something that I would be in to Luann's venue. There's Devils everywhere. This was really interesting about of the top of the show something that I honestly could not stop thinking about throughout the entire episode. N who is name is actually been rhyme a flower or something. He is Luann's musical director for her show hashtag Countess and friends, which actually was just here in Los Angeles. I did not go to it this time around but I went to it the previous time around the first tour and I heard it was a shit show like it always is um, lots of Alcoholics and Brava holics there. So it's a combination Nation does work it just I heard it's the same show in just a bigger venue. The point is Ben is the one that's kind of green lighting this he's the one that's taking her under his wing and he's the musical director. He's in charge of the show and he's calling to LuAnn Reckless. Yeah with Bethany kind of talking shit in that context. I didn't really like it. I mean, but is he wrong? No, it's not even about like Greater wrong, like bitch you're working for me. I mean, I guess you want your, you know people to be loyal to you, especially when they're talking to even if I'm working for you. We're working together in business. I don't need you calling me Reckless. Yeah, I mean no that's true. Don't need any of that. Crack the whip ring the bell. Yeah, I guess he shouldn't have been saying those things but I mean he's not wrong and it also I guess when at ease news and gossip a little bit because this her Reckless Behavior is kind of catching up to her. But yeah, I know it wasn't cool. Well, even though he did say some things that were, you know, obviously, I don't know it's important taste to me just because you don't bring up something that personal with someone that you know is already feeling a certain way about it. Yeah. I don't know it just didn't feel like the right and then he was like, well if anything happens to her it's because it's going to give it to you think he know. Those maybe it's because of who he was speaking to like it was Bethany. Someone that has been with her on this like sober Journey that has helped her through rehab that like as close enough to the situation that maybe he felt comfortable saying that to her maybe if it were like a Sonja or and the camera sure. Yeah hot mic situation. Maybe if it were someone like a Sonja or add arenda or I don't like someone else that wasn't as close during that time of her like get getting her back to rehab maybe he wouldn't have said that but because he knew You like she's involved. I just didn't think it was. I don't know. It wasn't elegant. No, it wasn't classy. There's nothing like it. Yeah exactly 10 says having another breakdown and Dales joining in but before we get to her the energy was good when Luann came out she performed I've seen her perform in person. It's okay. It seemed just okay on TV as well. Bethenny has gone by then and I don't laugh at me for being God. I don't Saint like it's a Tuesday night for one. We my boyfriend on this whole argument about Tuesday night going out late, but just left this morning. It was a Tuesday night for one. She has a daughter at home. She has a sitter she has to relieve and then in the morning she has to wake up with said daughter get her ready for school and do all the mommy things. So if it's 11 p.m. And you haven't at least come out and said hello or done a song and well you can leave he shouldn't be on camera at one o'clock in the morning to because they're going to hold that against Bethany. What was she doing at? O'clock in the morning. No, I'm saying like when you have Brent at home. Yeah, maybe it's a good idea to not be out so late cuz you know psychos watching custody. Yeah, exactly. So it's like yeah, she has to go home. She was there at 9:00 8:00 9:00 p.m. Yeah waiting for you dancing in her angel really like because she knew and that's what I respect because she knew she had to leave early. She made sure she got there early. Like I have friends that are like, oh I have to leave early just gonna kind of weird. Yeah miscommunication, but regardless it was full of shit show. Happy Halloween, everybody. Make sure to get another nurse if you need an IV tensley is having a breakdown. She wants to do volunteer work to get back to herself. But I think she also wants to do to attract men. I mean, what's like I get it I get it. It's you you want to find a spouse that is similar to you and you guys have like like-minded interests. And if so lost to me she seems lost. I totally think that she needs to have some self love. I don't think I was watching actually watched her. Watch what happens when I listen to it on the podcast that he does he become podcast. She definitely needs to love herself. I don't think Tinsley yeah is in love with herself know and it's very evident watching on the show and it was very evident in her interview with with Andy and I just I don't like I understand why she would Cal find a guy, you know doing charity or I'll find a guy at the library who likes whatever like I give you roll inside. She's very much still like a better mom doesn't kind of teacher that way as well. You got comparing her Big Apple Circus gig it's like a dance recital. It's pretty accurate though. Like they just really I feel like what's it called when you when you like not influence, but you're like collecting know when you're helping someone in a bad way. Way, oh enabling. I feel like they both enable each other. Yeah behaviors. Yeah, don't bring out good points in each other like her she's very critical of her daughter and her daughter is very anti critique. Like she can't even take another critique right now because like I'm falling apart at the seams. I totally agree. She'd I don't know what they need, but they need some counseling. I mean, she just needs to realize that life doesn't revolve around her having a man and like I kind of feel Well, I don't know. I'm all about women like if you and have a kid you go ahead and have that kid. Like I hear her when she says yeah, I hear her when she says she was whole family, but why not start with the kid first and maybe the man will come later like this have a point though. She's not in the right mind frame to have a child if she's not but she's also not in the right mind frame to have a man-eating. So it's you know, it really has to come from within and I like I say that to all my single friends I say that to you guys out there like self-love is the most important thing about having being in a relationship. If you don't love yourself, then you're not going to be able to navigate the tough Waters of love. You know, it's hard. It's very hard drowning out there. But before I move on I just want to say hey guys. Thanks so much for joining us in our chats Sarah. I see you. Thank you. Make sure you guys subscribe to the YouTube channel as well. As you know, subscribe on iTunes. Make sure you leave a comment. Give us some legs. I love hearing from you. We love doing the show every Wednesday night together. It's our bonding time. It's my release. Actually, I feel like so so yeah, guys, we appreciate your support. Keep going. We love it. Let's yeah, we still have a lot of cringe-worthy moments to talk about Beach. Oh birdie Brady God. That's it's such an unfortunate thing. It's gonna get deep. I don't want to get too like crazy into the story story. A I just want to keep it surface and talk about like the Ridiculousness behavior that came with the women tonight. But before we do that Ramona didn't show up to the show, but she is a full-on cougar status showing up to everything else. Yeah, as long as there's young people there. She she has a girl with her who she brings and this is a big issue. This is a big major. This is some life trauma stuff. This girl was sexually abused as a child and She is using Ramona and Ramona using her to provide this platform to Showcase to America right now about what's happening. There is sexual survivors out there that are coming forward with their story that needs to be heard that need their voices out there to help other people help themselves Let The Healing begin. That being said. I hope she knew a little bit. Of what she was getting herself into because even though this is a serious issue and it's like they talked about major things like the law of stet of limitations such a limitation, which actually is like affecting people in a really negative way just because there are people out there that have committed really heinous things that are not being held accountable for it's happening all over the world is happening in the entertainment business. It happens every day in our personal lives, and we want to kind of just put a voice out there. It so this lady thought that this platform would help her. Hopefully it does they did reach money. They did raise money for her. I really hope that whatever happened tonight. There was something positive that King came out of it, you know. Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree. I it was I mean her story was touching it even at the lunch table. It kind of got lost in the fluffiness of these women. Yeah, like I don't want to say it fell upon deaf ears. Like I think they heard her but like it just I don't know. What did what did someone hurt her because they took something and latched on to it. Yeah end up dead. Like Sonia was just like, you know, I had do the kids or whatever comment was it was like super weird just awkward. Yeah Ramona's like I'm an influencer now, it just felt like no one can help themselves. Yeah, and it felt very self-serving especially not Ramona's party. Totally I love what Bethenny does with her her be strong Foundation like yeah, she posts about it. Yeah, she's very vocal about it. But she doesn't do it in a way. I feel that's like hey look at me. I'm doing like charity work. Make sure you see them doing nice things for people like I don't feel like she does that and with Ramona, that's what it feels. Like. I'm just doing this nice thing because I want to show that I'm nice like, yeah, it just doesn't feel just she made an entrance County had already started. She's like, oh it smell so good. I'm nervous. It's not about you and then like, Like I did this I did this I did this I did that and it's just you know, like well before we get really into like this deep deep story. Like we're just going to leave it at she told her story of the table. So the women can take this create an event that's obviously going to be the second party to this episode in Housewives fashion. It's always a party that brings out the worst. But in this case, we're doing two parties. The Halloween party was over barely anybody showed up Luann did her thing is George is a huge Cabaret star and she's acting like a but you know what the Renda is moving out. She has a new place mine mine mine. This was really interesting. This is what I liked about the episode. She has a new place. He doesn't want any plans. She doesn't want marriage. She's past a certain age. She doesn't really see John as long-term. I think that's okay. But I hope it's okay with him too. Because even though we're not crazy about him. He's still like has feelings no visitors. Either efficiency and it's all about me. It's a whole new dorinda's, you know, I had thoughts on this too because for as much as she complains about John not being able to come to the Cabaret or the charity event that Ramona invited her to that. She ditched her at or whatever like she always complains like John's not involved in enough or whatever, but then she also talks about how he doesn't seem like he's someone that's going to be around for that long either. So it's like which is it. Do you want them around? You just want him to like bite the dust like I don't understand and I don't expect a man that's cheated like kind of an accessory to be that completely faithful to you and have 100% the best intent intentions like it. Just yeah, he feels like an accessory like, you know, I have might like I don't go as far as calling him eye candy. Yeah, but like that like essentially that's what he just seems like it's like he's my date whenever I want. Yeah, it's not appropriate but I do something about Ramona going, you know, he gets you drunk and he does here for seven hours. The said I can't help but think like John is just turned his booty call but she's embarrassed uniform, you know, and she's like you're gonna come around once a while but he hasn't been around for a long time. So maybe this is why she's like yeah me right now. It's very strange. But then I also find that it is funny. Like maybe it's just age or whatever, but I'm at a point where I want to move into a bigger space so that I can have friends stay over like hey guys comes she's so Like and she's just like get a hotel room at three bedrooms. No one's saying, you know people like when they visit her, I mean I get it. I don't want anybody coming to visit me either. I'm like, it's a big freaking deal. We always have to clean. Yeah, sometimes you just really don't want to clean. Yeah. Shout out to Ronnie and the chat saying that dorinda's speaking her mind as growth when has to render ever not spill get her mind Ronnie. I always speak my mind about this episode was Hannah She's oh my God. She's not only she beautiful. Yeah, she's beautiful. She's so such an adult. Yeah, so classy. Yeah, and she brought forth this honesty. That was so refreshing on Beverly. I mean on New York tonight. I'm sorry. I'm just like bravo bravo towel. Your thing is Denise Richards happy and Rubble bitch shot that yeah, make sure to check out want to hear all about pegging straight men and happy ending massages going to be really good and I've got some after you subscribe. Our Channel make sure to watch its Bravo bench its new time Wednesdays at six. But yeah, this was really interesting. I love to Hannah. I'm so glad she was on the show. Yeah, and she gave dorinda's some realness and she was like look like I don't know what your world you're living. Yeah, but like this was not fun. I'm glad this is over like this was after dad died. You were drunk all the time. I was trying to find myself. I feel like I died here like thank you for that Honesty like it was put so Eloquent and classy and it's a complete sense. I loved it as she's beautiful and I kind of want to be her friends and she was sweet to her. Mom, too. That's a Hannah. Yeah. Shout out to hear me call Chelsea friend. I'll come by for drinks shiny insults shining tables lots of Digs at Bethany. It's a one-sided deal right now with Luann. She's not on Earth. She is high in the sky. She's a big Cabaret star and she doesn't have time for the little people. Friendship with her is unattainable unattainable according to De rinda. What do we think about this? I I just Why is she always talking about Bethany though? Like always going after Bethenny, but I also want to know and I who said it was she I think it's different if she lives in the now. Yeah, it's not like it's what have you done for me lately. I believe that that she does. I do believe that she lives in the now but I think it's with an agenda. Like maybe she's coming for Bethenny because Bethany helped her so much. She feels like she Bethenny's going to come on the show and be like, I did all of this for Luann and I really hope Turn I think Luann is probably paranoid of what people are going to say behind her back. So maybe that's why she's like, you know what I'm going to be a bitch first EV but I mean that's dicks for before Bethany what I mean? Okay, so is saying her costume like I agree with the other two things, but your costume was over the top. Is that really a dig or it's that like out of it like cat is over-the-top. What's that's Bethenny. No, she already has everything. I'm getting damaged by the same costume like it. Like I didn't really think that that was like that crazy of a dig the the brand comment. Yeah. Well the bear hunt. Yeah, and she did say a bunch of stuff in the Berkshire. Yeah, and I just think that she is doing it. Maybe it maybe it is she's trying to get ahead and like a Bethenny like in case you know, whatever but I just think that everything is just getting to her head to be completely honest. Like I think it's just arrogance at its finest and so she's just high in the sky. All this jumping in that balloon. Yeah, the heads getting bigger and bigger. She's floating higher scratched me here. Well, I believe it it makes sense that main event is here. You know, I I want to talk about this real quick because I thought it was funny The Rundown with her like she wants she like yeah, sonja's like I love it. She's finding her skinny clothes and you find lots of things when you're moving. I don't want to know about that because I actually hate moving and I don't wish that on people it moving is horrible moving is horrible. If you have to do it a lot. I feel like moving isn't bad. If you like, you know, you do it every like, you know, it's like a new beginning like moving every year or Every so many months or whatever having drama. That's a bad. That's not fun. But if it's like moving to a big new space speaking of drama. It's a tiny space and we're all crowded together and we're all here for this really major event a charity party all going to like really a good cause but it all kind of just gets doused with all this inappropriateness like the women of New York City just really know how to upstage and I don't know if I was Bethany I would have ran to that fashion show. I know it's for a good cause but I would have And the fashion child totally understand. I know it's for charity why she didn't go? I like think Ramona picking a bone with her like the ever, you know, biggest social climber and the group picking a bone with her for going to this fashion show. Like she got the invite to this first you already rsvp'd like I get it, you know, and she couldn't have shown up to that event with such major underboob and traffic the traffic was insane. So I totally and Team B on this. This one. Yeah, Ronnie, you know, I'm a huge Loop fan. I see you in the live chat saying, you know, she deserves it her huge Cabaret. I get it. I'm a huge fan. I went to the show, but I'm just saying though. She has been acting a little too nonchalant on the show and acting a little too. I totally disagree with this to Fred Astaire. Ash. I'm like girl calm down Ronnie and I have been going back and forth before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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She is a housewife pop star like I'm sorry your ego cannot be this. Yeah, like I just can't speaking of big egos Harry dubbin walks and thanks for the Montage Bravo proving. He is creepy gross. He's old and he loves to look at woman's chest areas even grosser like you were humming. I know I'm sorry. Like if you have a Wandering eye and like I catch you but to like say like, oh you're that necklace. It's so nice upon your chest like no, I don't I don't I don't want that compliment. I just don't want it. Yes. No. Big big buzzer. Yeah, he's just gross and you guys are still going on in the live chat about loose Cabaret go see the shell pay money to see the show and then come talk to me. I paid almost $100 and she sings for songs and and the and I'm four songs is giving her a lot of credit because she actually sang to and you got to and and Chic C'est La Vie is not until the very very end. So you gotta wait and watch all these Queens perform before. You even get there life is a cowboy real? Okay. Yeah. So let's get to the main event God the singer speech to render really wanted to get in there. Look the Predators still out there. It was a family friend clamp Sonia did kind of started because it's a let's start from the beginning. I was definitely so you started it by laughing immediately at Ramona's lying. She's like, I'm gonna cry right now. now that everyone's looking at me, let me just say I can have an emotional moment and say I'm gonna cry right now. I mean so you definitely could have held her tongue in that moment. But it also like especially I think it was last week when we got the Cobell tear. Yeah the whole like Ramona crying on a dime a sequence. Yeah. I don't it was if I were Ramona, I would have taken what Sonia said and and stride and just like brushed it off exact and not like completely shut down and like try to be combative with her. It's like oh you always do that, Ramona. Yes. Yes, but this really This really touched me and I play it like this. Keep going just to show my the corner later. Yes, but like keep it pushing but Sonia definitely style. Yeah, I do and it's always a good show, but this is for real guys like this. Honestly, can we just take a second to like acknowledge that this is something that I really want to talk about it something really serious. We have brighty here. She calls her birdie. No I'm saying this is what I would have said. You would have said yes. Okay, let's get serious we have righty here. She has to tell her story. I want to talk about this and introduce her. It's a serious subject. Yeah, and I really do feel like crying. Okay, but instead it was just overlapping of rah, rah, well on top of that heard not even having the girls name correctly like saying it wrong like the one thing just know the girl. Yeah horrible and then to render at like they had to they were They were drunk, right? Oh my God the right like I'm not they have got a lot. Yeah can't they feel the people in the room going? Oh my God. This is a charity event. This is about sexual abuse and you guys are sitting here yelling at each other in front of everybody. Yeah, who's a disaster? It was a complete disaster. It was super uncomfortable and and it speaks to what I was saying earlier how this was it them doing something from like the genuine part of the Arts. It was them doing something for show-and-tell. And like look what I did. Look what I'm a part of type of a thing even Sonja. She just was not taking it serious. Yeah, like it just felt like a joke. It really did and it's sad because this girl went through something traumatic. Yeah that she really wants to bring awareness to and they were super weird about it was like about them. They made it about them. But even the whole episode was weird because even though we're like talking about this serious subject and we're like at this party, which this is all about. We're also like scene montages. Unconscious of Harry sexualizing like women on and then it's like we see a whole montage on Sonja and Harry and I'm like that was a train wreck. I'm like, wait. What are we doing here? Yeah. This is a serious subject. I don't know. I just felt like everything was wrong about this. It was wrong. Everything was wrong. I just kept shaking my head. I just kept saying I can't it was it's just yeah, I can't either at least they didn't have a mic. Yeah. It's a project everything lat. Louder jewelry with Ramona and Harry like everything was not about it. Just everything was about everything except for the cause. Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't I didn't like it was a horrible. I mean they made money. So I guess it wasn't okay made money. They got some awareness out there. Hopefully something good comes out of this because all I see is so far is a huge train wreck. I do too good thing Bethany went to the Vs fashion shown. I would have went to the fashion show and a harpy write a check hit that pink carpet at that pink. Bit watch Taylor Swift perform and watch all these gorgeous women walk down the runway. Yeah, it's clean. Yeah, it was a it was important to let brighty finally speak. She did even like within three seconds of her talking I believed her it was serious. The room was like there again and then it was interrupted Again by like Duran de China get the point in there that it was a family friend is still out there and then like, all righty is like I'm literally about to say that and she repeated it. And so it just caused dorinda's like she's confirmation to like argue with Ramona. It's so full. I was just so wrong. I love her so much, but she just looked like a damn fool like and it was so embarrassing like just wait like let the girl speak her truth. This is her story. And if you feel like adding something in the end and you know, what the guys still out there. He was a close family friend. That this could happen like that's all you needed to say. It was alcohol down. I know she always wants to do speeches when she's drunk and like members is is has it and tie is the land is as your special event and sizzled and it's not a man's, you know, maybe also like maybe we should just blame Ramona for this like complete like why and Sonia all three of them were corporate like why just why not just make it even Eddie like don't ask everyone else to come up. Just have you and Brady up there like or just how about Brady? Sure birdie Brady Brady Brady. I spelled it Bry like B Ry D. Brighty birdie bridey. What a catastrophe. I really really do. Hope that something good come out of it. Um, let's get into news and gossip. Yeah. Okay. So this news is just like Luann likes it all about her I Island. Hey Lou. So in a podcast interview she did on the juicy scoop with Heather McDonald Lou mentioned that there would be no Cabaret if she was still married to Tom. She said the idea of the camera wouldn't be married to Tom you would have been divorced girl. Please turn down. We're still together there would be no Cabaret. She said the idea came to her before they got married. She was floating around working on this Cabaret while they were still in their engagement stages. But of course they got divorced. She said had they still been together. He wouldn't have been comfortable with her traveling a lot. So she wouldn't have done the Cabaret. So there's that. Also Giovanni. She is coming out with a Giovanni bomber jacket line. I can cast Giovanni. Finally. Giovanni is cashing in You guys should have a long time ago avani and Lou we all know about Giovanni because of De rinda and Luann. Yes, Giovanni and Lou are doing a bomber jacket line. It's bedazzled bomber jackets from Giovanni. I don't know when they're coming out, but she is already rocking her very fun. I love bomber jackets. I'm wearing one right now. Send me that super fun and also with Giovanni, so I we mentioned she is going to have a new song coming out. Yeah this summer and the super tease The song is called Giovanni. Are you serious capitalizing on this Giovanni? My God Giovanni. I hope you guys are cashing checks and sent to me. Yes. Yes, Mike Bowman. I do agree with you. Where's your comment? Didn't we learn from dinner? We learn Puerto Rico don't take them into charity events. Yes. We did last thing on little she is ordered back to core after drinking and violating probation is for An officer recommending jail time. So Lou has been ordered back to court. She admitted last month that she had consumed alcohol during her probation violating the Court's guidelines set up to avoid jail time in addition to probation violation. She also previously failed to provide sufficient evidence that she had a compact completed her required AA meetings after filling the alcohol test her probation officer offered her to options immediately enroll in And treatment or wear ankle monitor Luanne refused both options citing. It would be an inconvenience to her Cabaret tour Ronnie. She earned it. So she's really going to get in trouble because this probation officer she alluded to in the beginning. She does not play around Lou violated the probation the papers were filed for the you know, she's being ridiculous. This is going to be bad. I love little backless girl. So yeah, so her Live in her court date. She's due back in court on May 23rd for a probation violation hearing. She had previously avoid jail time for accepting the plea deal with the outline probation requirement. So, I don't know if this will land her and to jail or give her some gel to I don't know. I don't know. I don't know I would not mess with probation officers from the city of New York. They have seen it. All Lou. You don't want them to make an example out of you girl. Come on, you don't and they have seen enough TV shows today. No, what do you think if she goes back to jail? They will make Giovanni Jail inmate suit with a bedazzled and mate number on the black and white stripes. Make it Chic. Yeah asks. Yes, honey. Yes. Yeah jail time, but make it Chic. Yeah, she can write it incarceration, but make it fashion orange jumpsuit, but make it Met Gala camp. Well, that is pretty much it. They give us a little teaser for next week. It just seems like the ladies are just spiraling out of control. Yeah, a lot of blame game a lot of blame game. I went drinks. Can we have some more drinks? I would like some drinks and Upstate New York. And it looks like we're gonna have a fun drinking game. Every time Luann says Cabaret take a shot. Whoo feared my home watch it and you're a long way from the city because we're in Upstate New York. Why would you want to buy upset? New York, it's just so fun quiets. She can't drink in peace and no one will know she has plenty of time to do that. Make sure to check out its Bravo bitch Wednesday nights at 6 p.m. Because we're talking about not just Real Housewives of New York Vanderpump Rules, Texarkana, Southern Charm is coming back and we get really sexually dirty today. Make sure to check that out. I love her. Yeah. I love it guys. Make sure to check out my Instagram page. You can find me on Instagram. See underscore S Jones and then everything else. I'm doing in my life and career at Chelsea Star Jones.com. Yes, it was a pretty good episode. But I feel like as a season continues it's gonna get deeper and deeper the layers of this onion are really going to unravel this dark time between Bethenny and Luann. It's just going to get darker. I feel like Bethenny kind of like Lou reminds Bethany of her mom or something you think so, I don't know. Like Bethenny is just like trying to help but it's just not doing both of them any service. I think there's love there but they just they they don't know how to love. Yes, make sure to follow me on my Instagram. I'd Hollywood Li and make sure to check out. It's probably bitch Wednesdays at six Chelsea. I can't do this without you my dynamic duo on can't do this without you next week after browsers. Hi guys, our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos. Else would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. 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Tonight, we discuss the CHARITY ladies of New York City….. That was so cringeworthy! Ramona is up to no good as usual, and Lu is “reckless” according to her musical director and she is still the biggest cabaret star thats ever lived, join Lian Castillo @HOLLYWOODLIAN, and Chelsea Stark Jones as we Jump into the Big Apple. ABOUT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC AFTER SHOW: To a certain group of people in New York, status is everything...and with status comes plenty of drama to unpack on THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK CITY AFTER SHOW. We’ll recap all the buzz-worthy moments from the show, from the fabulous to the fights from our favorite Big Apple ladies. Tune in here for ALL the tea as we review, recap and provide in-depth discussions of the latest episodes! Who knows! You might just see some familiar cast member faces. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC: The Real Housewives of New York City (abbreviated RHONY) is an American reality television series that premiered on March 4, 2008 on Bravo. Developed as the second installment of The Real Housewives franchise, following The Real Housewives of Orange County, it has aired seven seasons and focuses on the personal and professional lives of several women residing in New York City. The series originally focused on LuAnn de Lesseps, Bethenny Frankel, Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, and Jill Zarin. The eighth season lineup of housewives will consist of de Lesseps, Frankel, Singer, Sonja Morgan, Carole Radziwill, Dorinda Medley, and newcomer Jules Wainstein. Of the original housewives, Frankel initially left after the third season before returning for the seventh; McCord and Zarin left after the fourth season; and de Lesseps was a friend of the housewives in the sixth. The remaining housewives joined in later seasons: Morgan in the third, Radziwill in the fifth, Medley in the seventh, and Wainstein in the eighth. Other housewives include Kelly Killoren Bensimon (seasons 2–4), Cindy Barshop (season 4), Aviva Drescher (seasons 5–6), Heather Thomson (seasons 5–7), and Kristen Taekman (seasons 6–7).

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Is there an X-Men Series in development for Disney plus all that and more today on Marvel movie news. Welcome to popcorn top featuring movie discussion. No an interview we talked moving and And talks Marvel movie news. Oh good. Yeah afternoon to you our merry Marvel lights. Welcome back to the studio. I'm Zach Wilson and extend your Martinez is here. Yes. I'm here. Whoo-ha. We have got it episode today. Is this episode to 10 we are coming to you live from Venice Italy because that's where Spider-Man is set, which is a weird charge, but that's what's happening. We're going to talk about that so much more quick some Stuff that you can do to help to keep up with the show throughout the week. You can follow the show on Twitter at Marvel news ptn. You can also follow popcorn talk our Network at the popcorn talk if you can you can find us on YouTube at youtube.com slash popcorn Talk network go to iTunes subscribe rate review, all that stuff helps us out in a big way. Let's get started on this episode. Let's also give some love to cult but doze tweeting from the starjammer. Thank you call. What's up guy? This Spider-Man trailer, you know, I do have to say I need to get more Spider-Man shirts because this is my go-to but like gee there's so much Spider-Man stuff. But yeah, I'm so excited. That's true. I have like a couple Gwen pieces. And but today I'm rocking My Ghost Rider jacket basically people like it mainly because this is also a waterproof jacket, so I wear it when it rains and it's raining a lot here. It's pouring guys. It's almost like we're not in Ale it's almost a quart coming to you live from Venice Italy where it rains a lot more speaking of Venice Italy. Let's take a look at that trailer. We're going to talk through it and then we will dissect it. There's so much Tom pack in this trailer. Let's take a look. So this is a huge this this scene feels really an awkward but huge implications from everything here because like not only like obviously can't menos but this cute adorable. What's it happen? Yeah. I love it because just check itself has implications for endgame. They actively cut his Birth year off of that passport. I just want to go what it will take a look at it. Europe doesn't really need a friendly neighborhood spider leaving the costume behind that's a choice Ben Parker got a middle name. I'm the suitcase there. So she doesn't have the comics fairly. So I must thank you. This is cute. You look pretty too adorable this part terrified. This is Spider-Man like super fun. Like we're having a good time and then the world catches up to him. Yeah, you realize hey, not everyone. This is also just like Nick Fury ties all the MCU together looking clothes, like seeing him that with Spider-Man is like, oh my God. This is music cues the music you yeah. This is where it really takes the shift in the trailer. Obviously. We'll see how dark it. I just like I lost it. The music in this is all right. We got the Elementals. Oh so that so yeah. Well, we'll talk about that. Are you going to step up or not? Yeah will step up. I'm not sterile. I'm scared. I know I don't have any powers. What are you gonna do about it? But no powers comes no responsibility Amy. Well, that's a boom Joan Hall. Yes, really? Look at that. Sorry podcast with me. Well, I was freaking out so much the first time I saw it Oh, who is that guy? He's like Iron Man and Thor rolled into one. He's no Spider-Man. What is it with you and Spider-Man what he looks out for the neighborhood has a dope suit and I really respect him some dickwad. Yay. Crap. That was a lot the first time I watched the trailer. I was inside. I was like just watching it. Then I had to run out the door to go to work and I miss the fact that we actually saw the helmet. I was like, oh they just did. Into the helmet yet. Then there was like, no. Absolutely we did back in second. I was like, oh, yeah, very clearly. I was just so excited and I think I'm staring at the his like beams more than I was looking at him. I love that trailer. What did you enjoy the trailer? I freaking dead. Yeah. I did a trailer reaction video and I think I know okay. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this but when you first see a Marvel movie trailer and it ends you're kind of just like left there like Holy moly, there was a lot to unpack there and you obviously like some of us go back and you know, try to really dissect every single frame. So I was just watching maybe one more time but there's something about these trailers that they're always so freaking good and there's so many gems and I know people like, you know have really gotten into like, oh, hey, well, this means this this means this it's just a lot and I love it. It got me really hard for them. But like I said the music in it was perfect. I don't know actually offhand if this is giggy nose back. Yes. Great. I love Jackie. No my favorite composers and I love the just the way that he did in the first movie. He's using that Spider-Man classic song, but rewriting it in these big orchestral pieces and it like activates every exciting part of them. Did you notice that so we started with Wanna Be Sedated that and then as soon as nerd gets sedated he wanted to be today. He's just so excited to meet Nick Fury's like your Dart me sure. Yeah. But yes, there was a lot a lot of like little things. I know. I don't know if you want to just go ahead and jump right into it. Yeah, let's let's let's take a look at some of these pictures as we go. Well actually before we do before we do pictures. Yes, because the one thing I will say about this trailer that I'm a little nervous about is I feel like I can already and this is the same way. I felt about homecoming because these are this is Sony cutting a trailer not Disney. Yeah, and there's a key difference that Disney is has Disney Marvel has been really really good. About hiding the true plots in their trailers like end game where they've said that. It's only the first 15 minutes and like nah, that's not always true for all their moves. But like usually you can't really piece together everything from from a Disney Marvel trailer. Sony doesn't have the same restraint and Homecoming by and large the homecoming spoilers. The only twist that they managed to keep out of there was that Liz and the vulture were related that one still surprise me. Theaters but I feel and so I'm hoping that there will be some what some kind of switch but I can we'll can will talk about like what than we think the story is after we look at the photos. But I feel like I know the whole story from watching this trailer, but we'll talk about that in a minute. So like when we open up was like so we see this check that happy is carrying because signed by Pepper Potts for $500,000. And it's the the fact that it's signed by Pepper Potts has interesting implications because is it is it is she and there's enough doubt but is she sign that check because she's the CEO of Stark Industries because Tony sort of made her that yeah before or is it because it's on behalf of Tony Stark's Foundation because he didn't make it a 10 game. But either way are we thinking the peppers gonna make it then? Oh, I think Peppers pretty Safe. Yeah, well that sort of implied here right Pepper Potts is alive and well during Spider-Man far from home. Yeah, but we don't even know where Pepper Potts is. I think she was confirmed by just the Russo Brothers as having survived the snap. So regardless like we haven't seen her in the trailers, but I think they just told us like, oh she wasn't she was one of the people that made it through through the decimation. Yeah, but so she's a rat Pepper Potts is around during this but we don't but we don't know if Tony Stark is around. Yeah and we'll get yeah, I have a lot of theories about that. Yeah. Well, this is the time but well, okay. Well, here's the thing. So later Nick Fury's telling Peter. Hey, like we're counting on you blah blah blah. Or what you something about like being alone or like you don't have anyone else? So in my mind Stark is gone like gone gone and that's why Peter doesn't even want to take his suit. He's just like I'm done with it. Like I had a mentor and everything was fine. And then everything went to crap and then you know, we got snapped away and now here we are. So yeah. Yeah, that's for sure done till like that sound effect. There's some rumors about I won't say what the rumors are so you can link up with some rumors about well how Robert Downey Jr. Might be involved in the future of the of Marvel movies that I really liked the ideas of I still think he makes it out of I think I still think my I still maintain my through that I think Tony Stark makes it out of there in one form or another to continue on. Yeah, but I still think cap is dead. I think both are gone. Yeah, I think Them has to stick around at least in some form. Well Tony could be like Anna Jarvis kind of form. Yes, which has comic book. That was the rumors. Oh, I think it's just it's a theory because Tony Stark has existed as an AI recently in the comic books and then he came back for real. But so is a i Tony Stark like instead of Karen living in Spider-Man suit. Oh see, I like that Uncle Tony happier. He's just like talking to us. You hey, Uncle Tony be funny next photo that I pulled was Spider-Man taking a selfie. Do you think Spider-Man? It has created an Instagram account for himself, like is does does Peter create a Spider-Man Instagram handle? I feel like absolutely I mean, yeah, I but I wonder because if he doesn't it's interesting because something happened between that shot. That scene and then him going to you know, Europe where he's like, I don't want to I don't want to take the suit. I think he just wanted a break is what he was saying. That's what I really love that idea that he's just like he's still like saving the day it's not like he's not it's not the Spider-Man no more. Yeah storyline buddy is him just being like look. I need some we all need time off from work now and again Peter's just like I need a break. I'm going I'm going overseas. I'm going on vacation. I actually want to Vacation. It's like, you know what it is. Is the equivalent of taking or leaving your laptop when you go on vacation see I yeah, I would say that but also my laptop sucks. I would say looking at your emails. Yeah kind of but yeah for me it's like if I will have access to that stuff because I have my phone but if I have my laptop with me, it means I can do legitimate work like my laptop. I can I can edit on here. I can do Photoshop. I can like I can write things like everything I can do in there and I can do it. That stuff on my phone but not effectively so I've decided not to work if I leave my laptop at home. You heard that here first guys, if you want to take a break leave your laptop at home do it. Yeah. So yeah, I really want to see Spidey Instagram and 1 plus if he was he could probably get sponsorships, you know, you know Spider-Man Spider-Man account is like doing real. Well, he's got plenty of followers so he could get those social media deals. I swipe up. Yeah, it would just be it would be the it could be the modern-day equivalent of him selling his photos to the Daily Bugle is him selling out on Instagram hashtag sponsored hashtag and oh God. Yep, pretty much. So the birth so the birth to the passport puts his date of birth as August 10th, which was the first was the publishing date of Amazing Fantasy 15. Spider-Man but where it where the you would see a year next to these things does not exist. Because why because they're with Marvel like you don't want to lock yourselves into that. They got in so much trouble with the first time. They acknowledged a year difference with Spider-Man homecoming like eight years ago and then it broke the time line, you know, I didn't I paused on this Frame and I was like, yeah, everything looks good. Okay, cool next frame. So interesting. Yeah, this this next photo I pulled Because it makes me happy and I know Christian Blatt is here outside. It makes him happy in the same way confirmation. Spider-Man is a Mets fan. He's got a Piazza pennant on the back up on his wall. He's from Queens. So of course, he's a Mets fan of course, but it makes me smile. I like that. So I pulled I grew up a Mets fan. I'm third generation Mets fan. I yeah edges like that. Spider-Man's a Mets fan down with the Yankees moving on. We don't even do that. I pulled a photo of Nick Fury because he looks cool. Okay. So when you first saw Ned get hit with something where you concerned for his safety where you like? Oh, he's gonna be fine. No, I assumed it was very, okay. Okay, let me go. It's the only way I knew that Nick Fury was in this movie and it just is like yeah that adds up. Yeah at this parcel by parcel agents like I know The the main villain of the movie is that it's not like I know Mysterio's in this movie. That's not Mysterio style. Nick Fury's in this movie. That is his style. Yeah now we're getting Nick Fury. Yeah. I love Samuel Jackson is rolled so good, but the suit is we could take a look because this is the slightly different suit. It's much more in line with Amazing Fantasy Spider-Man like that first ditko drawing. It's the blacks instead of Blues. Yeah big web. Arms, like this looks like a ditko suit, which is cool. Just nerding out here guys. Sorry. Okay. Okay, so the Elementals and like we so, so apparently, that's Maria Hill. Yes when Amy? Yeah. Yeah someone I do trailer reaction video. So I did react to this trailer. It's up on my channel youtube.com forward slash Amy Cassandra. Yes. Someone was asking like who is that but that is called be smolders. That is Maria Hill. Whose did confirm Yeah on her Instagram. She said hey, that's me. So that's her. Yeah, but so we look beyond that and this is where it starts to get interesting because we just we so this guy so we have the we had thus they will earth-based monster. Now, we have Firebase monster and then we have this water-based monster who we've seen plenty of well the so Tom Holland referred to these some minor spoilers The Tom Holland I slipped up on probably he referred to these guys as the Elementals. Yeah is a comic book thing, but I don't think they're even there so far away from everything going on here that I don't think the actual I think they're just going to steal the name for these guys because they're like space villains and I don't think that's what's happening there like much more Supernatural base things and I don't think that's what we're getting. But so there it's interesting because so many people have been talking about hydro-man when they show this in Brazil. There's no Hydro man's in the movie It's we're getting hydro-man. And we even we talked about the show because while we had Rose reports on it and then you see the earth-based guy who knows that Sandman like are they doing Sandman and hydro-man and Mysterio? It's like it's a lot of villains. Yeah, but it's so Tom Holland referred to them as the Elementals. I think none of them are there. So what are they are all Illusions because now we can go to Mysterio popping up bam fing in a cloud of smoke like some next-level Universal Studios actors, which is basically what we're getting. What do you think? So like let's just take a look at Jake Gyllenhaal here before we get into like my all my theories. Yeah. What do you think of his look? Well, here's the thing. I'm slightly concerned. When he was cast only because I don't know I was like, okay, I guess I guess that's fine. I guess that works. I love him as an actor. I think he's super talented, but I just didn't see the two together, but just seeing him in his costume and like really bringing it and honestly hasn't even aged at all. Like he's the whole 10-year challenge. He looks exactly the same but he really brings it. He adds like a lot of what the word is. He's scary. He's scary, but it's all in his Sighs and he doesn't have to Siri thought I was talking to her. Yeah. He just he's just is and I think it looks really cool. I also like that when we first see him it's nothing super crazy and then the next shot that we get of him. He's in the Fishbowl head and I'm like good. So we're getting all the things that we wanted. Well what I love here is i in it it goes to what flash was saying at the end of the trailer is it's like Iron Man and Thor combined and I think that's intentional because Mysterio is Is a stuntman like an effects guy? Like that's that's his character is that he comes from moviemaking? So he understands an audience and I think like the cape here the design of it. It does absolutely look like Mysterio's comic book like keeping the design but it also is very evocative of Thor's cape in the MCU. Yeah. So I think what we're seeing here is I am like you do there is a little bit of a chest piece in the middle of his suit the way that it's built out in the way. It's structures the Like with the ABS there is a certain amount of Iron Man in that. Yeah, and I so I think what we're getting here plus his like mysterious Rays like it sort of evokes a little bit of with it. We has triangles instead of circles, but it's very evocative of dr. Strange. Yeah, and I think what we've gotten and like these all line up with Comics to so it's not a hundred percent that but I think what we're and this is where it might Theory start to come in. I think what we're going to get from Mysterio's. Is that he has seen all of these Heroes like on TV see what they can do like, oh, so that's how they do that. And he wants to be a hero. Yes. He wants to like and that's why we see him saving the dates fighting this Elemental monster. So he creates a scenario in which he can save the day by creating these Elementals and then uses his effects and like and all that to mimic what he He sees what people believe is a hero, which is the Cape of Thor the metal of Iron Man and these like powers of doctor strange and he creates his own hero moments until Spider-Man comes in and it's going to ruin it all screw it up. And then of course he becomes that's how we turn him into a villain. Yeah, but so that's what I mean when I say I feel like the movies like there because that seems know if you don't know who Mysterio is yeah. Who's Other guy fighting to save the day. Yeah, but for congress Mancino Mysterio, I feel like I know what the storyline is going to be but that being said that storyline sounds awesome. It does well and it kind of reminds me of The Incredibles first one syndrome. So I feel like you know, he wanted he wants to be part of this whole like superhero world that he's just trying to mimic them but I think his concept of good. It's cute. Yeah. Well, it's a He's doing it but for selfish reasons, which totally makes sense for him. Yeah, I'm curious you guys in the chat. What do you think? Do you think that there is more to this story than what I'm describing or do you think like, I hope that I could and I'm wrong and there's more to it. But like you think that that that they've shown their hand or do you think that that's more or less what we're going to get? Yeah. See, I know a lot of people are also concerned about the whole fish bowl and him being an apostle. We the whole time but we've seen him with it. And without it. I think they're going to have a nice balance of the two. Yeah, I think he's gonna treat it like sort of like an Iron Man. It's we're going to see sort of like Iron Man where Iron Man in the comics has the helmet of most of the time but in the movies, it's down most of the time one for effects budget reasons and two because it's much more fun. It's nicer on screen to see a person talking and I think so. I think we're going to see a much more with his head exposed then with the fish. Bowl even though in the comics it feel like he's like always in the fish bowl. Yeah, but it looks good. He looks good. Like this looks great. I'm glad they gave a nod to the comics by having him in a fishbowl. Oh, you got it, you know even in the trailer though, you can't do Mysterio without the Fishbowl. Yeah. I am not concerned that they've given away too much. I'm not I trust them and yeah, I mean homecoming dead. Too much in the trailer, but I think I think there are some twists that we don't know about and if it happens to be exactly how you described it then it'll be a surprise because if we're not expecting it to be exactly like Sony. Let me write Spider-Man 3 put it out there. It's gonna happen. What what what home thing could be in three. I like somebody posted. I don't know who this one. So, I'm sorry. I can't attribute it. But Spider-Man home for the holidays Christmas movie. I would like Guys make it happen vote below. And if you like that idea, make sure to give this video a thumbs up. I see Michael be thinks Marvel's tricking eyes. I hope so. Yeah, don't trust. I trust Marvel. I don't trust Sony. I trust I think we find was there any other parts that you or chat, if you if you have others to any other parts of the trailer that really stood out to you. Well first, you know our says I think there's more to the story. Mr. Using Illusions is way too obvious. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another big bad. I've been soda says I like the Peter and MJ stuff talk about that. So I mean we get we got a little bit of that I think just to see them. Exploring, that would be cute. I mean it's adorable in the trailer. We got a little peek of that. I don't know Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson. I don't think there's a lot there. I don't know what they're going to be together. So no there that their their banter is adorable. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they're playing really well with trailer. I know this is a departure from the from the Mary-Jane from the MTA that people are used to and people have been resistant to that. It's different but But what like her knowing or her being younger? Oh, sorry, nevermind. Nevermind. Just the way I got confused with Aunt May. Sorry. I think I was reading something in the channels like Aunt May but yes, just like her character is different like Beyond any of the Beyond physical stuff. Like I don't care about that in the slightest. She behaves differently than the Mary Jane that we know from the comics or the Kirsten Dunst adaptation, which the Kirsten Dunst is much more in line with the MC1 so like I get that it's different than the one that you grew up with that you're used to but this is fresh. This is new. I'm like, I'm excited to see how their Dynamic plays out see a lot of people in the chat are saying that that's not MJ. But that's her name is Michelle. So what does that mean? I don't care and I mean that in a sense that like it doesn't bother me. It's MJ of this universe. They're not going to like have this LJ. They're not going to have a Michelle J. And then we're going to meet Mary Jane later. Hmm. We will if you haven't seen spider-verse go see spider-verse know that there are different versions of the Spider-Man story and everyone is unique. Can everyone is great and in this universe MJ is named Michelle instead of Mary. Well in speaking doesn't matter. Well spider-verse. I think that you know, the way that homecoming ended we saw that Aunt May was you know, she found out that Peter is Spider-Man. So I really like that now we're getting that just like we did in spider-verse and I'm curious to see how that's gonna you know, really unfold and then just seeing happy and And Aunt May together, do you okay so I got so I got my ship and train do it. Do you do you ship it to you ship Aunt May and happy Hogan. Yeah. Why do you say it like that? I just like saying it's when I say sentences like that. I'm just like Man comic books are such a big thing that I said that's out loud to people. Yeah, and I just think statements like that that make me giggle Yeah, do you ship it to you ship them? Yeah, I ship it really really hard. I think that was a cute way to start off the trailer and I'm curious because if Peters gonna be in Europe and that gives em a and happy maybe some time alone. Oh Peter song comfortable with it because it's basically like his Uncle. Yeah and his aunt it's weird. It's like it's like it's like of your uncle Started dating your mom but they weren't related. It's like a because he thinks it's because Tony is like a father figure. Yeah happy is like is Tony's like good friend now, they're like, it's a very it's a I get why it would be a weird dynamic for Peter to have to navigate. Yeah, but people are saying in the chat. Happy May happy man. He met. Yeah, but they look like its name. Let's make it happen. Hashtag. Happy May done. I do I do like I'd like Both of these characters. Both of these characters are cute there. Is it this Dynamic makes sense? Oh man, if happy home comes Parker stepdad, ah crap, I'd be so into that when I'm curious to see exactly where we're going to see that relationship because they're getting like all flirty and the trailer but how far you know has this been how long has this been happening at? What stage? How much do we see? How far does it go? I would bet the right man for me. We can't it'll be towards the end of the movie Peter comes back from Venice. All these crazy Adventures. He's just like he comes he's like falls down on his bed falls asleep gets up in the morning and then Happy's out there in a robe making pancakes and it's just like hey sport what we cut out of the movie on that or it's a truer words a post-credits sequence where we see happy in a robe in Peter and Aunt May's apartment. That's what I'm banking on. Yeah, I'm curious to see how much we're gonna see. I think it'll be a little bit will be this little thread that like we sort of pick up and at the beginning and then we don't see the progression of it. But we see the result Now give me progression. Come on. Yeah, and he wants that Aunt May rom-com movie I do when I say that out loud. I want that. Give me that the right at someone right it okay. Let's make it happen and then send it to us and we'll have it. Hmm. Yeah, I want to see it. Yeah. All right. This is a lot of fun. I can talk about Spider-Man all episode but there is other news to talk about so did the chat of any other last thoughts on the trailer? Not necessarily just talking about shipping. Yeah, I thank you. I love I love talking about shipping. It's almost like I do it every week chipping pot on Twitter ships in the night. Anyway gotta plug. Let's move on to our next. Next topic Captain Marvel got some new posters which the inner set the internet Ablaze and let's look through them. Like the first set is like that's cool. These are good posters. That's cool just like that. I was like so look at it put up so many great Captain Marvel posters that like seeing Carol on one looking great as like old news to me because Carol looks great and she looks great in all the posters. They put out for her Monica rambeau, or that's not Monica rambeau. That's her mom. I believe uh-huh. But either way you got a rainbow and you got Jude Law probably playing Marvel. We still don't know for sure. I'm still that I still think he's Marvel. You don't get Jude Law for a movie. I think he's playing Marvel and this is my theory. I think he's playing Marvel, but also he's playing a crazy who has who is undercover as Marvel. It's Maria Maria Rambo. Yeah, yeah, her mom not now Monica, but Maria I was right. I just couldn't remember her mom's name and then we get some more posters. We've got Gemma Chan is Minerva Cree names are so fun and stupid Min Min - irva. I'm gonna be like a - me that would be like, that would be another your name, okay. Yes, it would be like Zach - re like for Zachary. Zachary would be my crappy. I'm cool. We should we should change our handles our Twitter handles to create a names of God. That might be fun. Anyway, then we've got the oh we got Ben mendelsohn. Oh, yeah Talos who is like, he's Ben mendelsohn. Playing villainous Kree are not kree-skrull. Yeah. Did I say career scroll about Marvel? Either way men see this girl Ben. Mendelsohn is a scroll. Hmm. That's in that Benning right in the middle. Oh, yeah. I just got excited because I'm like this is that guy that like the Ben mendelsohn is a great villainous actor. He's always a dick but these next set this last set it's where all the fun is here. Here so we got young Nick Fury. That's that's great. But we got and we got Agent Coulson with some hair always love seeing see I'm a boy Coulson and then the internet is so excited about this Goose poster. This needs to be my freaking wallpaper and everything. I think you probably bought these posters. Yeah, but yeah Goose the cat or The alien, you know, can we just take a moment and really give a shout out to cats making away in the cinema and in you know Sabrina so Netflix world as well, you know, we got Salem and I won't be satisfied until Salem talks and then get snarky. That's my Salem versions of Sabrina's hashtag not myself. I'm kidding. But yeah Goose looks what a stunner Goose looks great. I just it's so so funny that because these a lot of moisture all these character posters, but I couldn't but was the last time you saw just like a house cat. I don't character poster. I should actually make one of my cat. A lot of people were said I saw some people like requesting like morville. Can you make like an app where we can put our cats in to do we make it happen? Like let's do it. But yeah, so just a cup just a couple months, but until we get to finally see that movie. Yeah and the less than two months less than two months. Yeah, and then Have freaking and game late April. So we've got March April and then July. Yeah Spider-Man. It's a good year, but then but then we don't have anything until who knows. Well, they've booked dates Marvel has like dates that they're like, we're doing a movie here and I don't but I think that's it for 2019. That's sad, but you will get more in 2012. I'm sorry Amy. I'm sorry. You're only getting three movie. I got five whatever. We stand there with them then in July. Why you'll get Agents of Shield back and then probably at the end of the year where we'll be getting and we'll get into some stuff on this more but you'll be getting low-key. Okay? Yeah. Yeah, and so that you got plenty to look forward to and we might have even more crazy stuff down the road for those mystery movies including possibly Young Avengers. Oh, yeah, which I think I went out of order on my I see here versus I'm sorry. The there is a Young Avengers movie rumored to be in development behind the scenes at Marvel and this has to be it didn't so the even the rumors is just a script that Marvel has ordered to be written which they do all the time. So like so if you've seen this rumor probably somebody Marvel's like maybe we do a Young Avengers in like eight years. So they what they would do is they would bring in writers sometimes unknowns or people that they just want to try out and they're right A Young Avengers movie like hear your stipulations write this movie and let's see what it looks like and then they can look at the script be like, this is great. We should make this or they look at this creamy. Like this isn't really something that we need to invest more time more time development in so like shelve it and move on but that would could because Marvel has the money to do this. They can just pump out these ideas see if Work on paper and then spend the money to actually do art bring in casting and like all the stuff so the rumored lineup and this is from we got this covered. Is that the source they were a source for another crazy rumor this week that like seemed unlikely, but we're gonna talk about anyway. Yeah, the rumored lineup is Hawkeye Kate Bishop. Keep Bishop Hawkeye. Hulk growling iron lad who Iron lad is a young version of Kang the Conqueror OK Hans implications if they bring him in Patriot Wiccan stature stature is Cassie Lang who when she she starts to be able to use she starts to use Pym particles and growing all the stuff and vision. like Paul Bettany Vision in some form So there's a lot to unpack right there. There's so much information. So tape Bishop Hawkeye. So because there's the there was casting for endgame. Who was the young woman that got cast in endgame get hoop what her name is unknown role, but the rumor the to rumors were Cassie Lang and Kate Bishop. Okay, or the main rumor was cat was it was a slightly older casting Lang? Yeah. I looked at her and thought that's not yet. That's not canceling. That's Kate Bishop. Oh Katherine like my yes. Yeah. I looked at when she when she was cast. My initial thought was Kate Bishop. Yes. I didn't think I think I think I don't think that adds up for what for what Scott's story is to bring to a job Cassie that way as much as like getting stature and doing like superhero Cassie would be fun. Yeah because you could really go into that. Yeah. I don't buy that. What I do by is Kate Bishop coming in. in and being introduced in endgame to set up a Hawkeye movie or Disney plus Series where we get this we get the mentor we get like Hawkeye loses an eye or goes completely blind and starts training Kate Bishop all about it blind Hawkeye running around training Kate Bishop like That's Dojo. I want to see that and they will talk about that in a minute. Yeah, but what do you so Amy, what do you do with all of that information information that I just dropped on everybody? Yeah. What are do you do are you excited about this? Do you think it has any possibility of hitting the screens anytime within the next decade? Yes, and yes. Yes. I'm excited. Yes, I do think it. Yeah, it can be in the Waist and the cinemas were the kind of Rangers. I feel like we need. I feel like there's another Avengers movie before this ever happens. Yes. Well, I feel like it have to pass the torch a little bit because we're all used to you know cap Iron Man. We got Spider-Man like kind of recently if you think about it. So we would need to kind of transition that a little bit easier and not a surly say bye or pass the torch but just kind of be like, hey, look we're going to tag team with them a little bit. Yeah. To me this screams of to me that like I either like the thing that I would jump on is the fact that they put iron lad in there this young Kang the Conqueror character and I I've heard there's been rumors about a Kang but Kang being a villain in Marvel for a while now maybe less. So now that you've got The fox rights all back. So you've like Galactus is now back on the table and like all and like super skrulls are back on the table. Now that you can do not just Scrolls though and like in Captain Marvel, you can do super Scrolls and secret Invasion and all of that stuff is on is possible super skrulls for anybody who is like what are you talking about? There's certain Scrolls and the super scroll is one particular one who cannot just mimic not just look like you but also mimic powers. So take power set. So and like multiple ones at one time. So it was a fantastic for villain who could like take on all their abilities at once that kind of reminds me of iZombie. But yes, but I think but Kang the Conqueror is a strong villain in a great Avengers villain who like because they didn't have all these bigger name ones that Galactus Kang was always like just great. Oh we could go to Kang after infinity warm after. You deal with that. I was like then a time-traveling villain who's coming like fix his timeline by screwing off hours and hurting our feelings to Our Heroes to save hit to save his future and like so if that's part of this and we jump this movie like into like 200 years in the future, that could be really cool. Yeah, but I don't think but like I don't know how you do this like in in our timeline and jumping in the future. So messy, well it especially when you like everyone already just you know, I'll attach to these characters. So if you jump into the future than what does that mean coming back after that? Like do you want to just stay in the future? What about like, do you want to just jump around then bring them and does it lower threat in the modern timeline is the big thing for me because if we know that these characters is just 200 years in the future. Then we know that a secret Invasion story is not going to end in the world being taken over by Scrolls. Although it could because if it's a different timeline, yeah and like there actually were some sealed. Some theories this hope that's like oh what if what if the snap just created an alternate universe and now there's two timelines and then like Spider-Man's it is own timeline. It's like the they will never do that with the MCU because that's some comic book it confusing nonsense and you need the the general movement going public who have already been good enough to grasp that. This is all in the same universe. And now it's Spider-Man you got Venom over here. It's just like keep it as simple as possible one Universe. Let's get back to one. See you. But okay, let's keep going through this stuff. Yeah, Black Widow rumors from Charles Murphy at the hashtag. Show is the one who's breaking this that black widow might be rated all my might be rated R. The first Marvel properties over Marvel Cinematic Universe movie to go for an R rating. What do you think that makes me really freaking excited? I think I know that there's a lot of concerns with a lot of People when there's a PG-13 rating to something that you feel like should be kind of violent, you know, and it's like oh boom We're not gonna get it as violent as we want it, but I think the Marvel Cinematic Universe has proven that they can make really amazing things really dark things to with a PG-13 rating. But with that being said Black Widow is already extremely like violent like the stuff that she has to do sometimes is pretty intense. Yeah. So for them to be like, you know, we may go into the R rating then, you know, it's going to be Like whoa, I'm not excited. Yeah, I mean it's a black widow has the possibility to be in that like that Max storyline kind of thing like to go into those those more dark comments this like it does line up with like stuff like Bob eyes your has talked about that like they are they they don't they're not opposed to doing R-rated movies in the in the Marvel Cinematic Universe because they believe they can communicate that effectively to Their audience. I don't my instinct my business instinct tells me that black widow will not be the first R-rated Disney Marvel movie because this character has been so established in P the PG-13 world and because there are unfortunately not that many female heroes in the Marvel Universe like guess we got Captain Marvel coming and that's wonderful, but I but to take black widow is is now a character who is like There are so many toys. You can meet black widow at Disneyland like and I don't know and the read the only reasons to make black widow rated R is you don't need to go gory with her know that there's plenty of violence in PG-13 world. You don't need blood which is the only reason it would the violence would push into our you don't need swearing you can work around that. So the only real reason that I could see ya the only reason I could see black widow really pushing that our rating would be because sexpionage stuff. Oh well, which is in line with that character. Like this is a character who were who's been trained by terrible people and abused and maybe it's that Maybe it's the abuse that they're trying to keep that pushes that already as I said as I say, is that something about this as I talk? So maybe it's that maybe it's that like seeing what they do to children is what keeps it R rating because she was terribly abused. That's that's black widow storyline. She did terrible things but like I could also see it where it's like leaning into that what she has to use like hate. It sounds so messed up what to say to you but like sex is a weapon which like that. I don't mean that in the shitty way, but in the way love like she's a spy the same way that James Bond uses sex as a weapon Black Widow would and how much of that do you show what lines do you let the character cross and that's that's where I could see it like pushing into more into the our area. But again, this is a character. That's a Disneyland. Yeah, so I think that I would so while this is a great property to do as our I don't think Disney would do it. Let us know what you think. I know some people were like no don't make it an are some people would say. Well, yeah, I mean you can and then it would they think it would be because of the violence. So yeah, I mean it would be interesting to see me we've seen her we've seen people get beat up so badly in PG-13 movies like do you need the blood to really sell that not really and that's that's what the difference between R and PG-13 the see I wonder if there are people out there that may If they saw that black widow was rated R. They'd be like, oh wow, like this is this is going to get really dark and maybe they not that they seek that that they would they would think of in a different way because you know, there's probably people out there crazy thought but don't like comic book movies. So if people don't exist, yeah, the limit does not exist. Yeah. I feel like maybe those people would be like, well, I don't know maybe they're doing you know darker tone with this and maybe they would like that. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah, let us know what you think if you know if it is going to be rated R. Would you watch it because that's another thing some people don't like watching Rated R films. Yeah, let us know what you think. Let's hit that TV time button. It's TV time. I'm removing a Marvel movie news. We're talking TV today. I always pretend to have a fake microphone. That's right here. There's a real one. Okay, Tom real quick. Tom Hiddleston had said some stuff about Loki what he said was I think I posted something about this. It's very exciting. I cannot say much about it. I'm afraid time will tell wow so much that he reveals. I can't even take it. Let's dissect every little thing. I just know people are talking about So I wanted to like be like yeah, Tom Hiddleston acknowledge that he's in this movie or in this series still don't know if it'll be mainly him if we're getting young Loki forgetting past low-key like young as in reincarnated Loki. That's the one I want to see I want to see young reincarnated. I just want to see Tom Hiddleston. So I'm going to be happy there away. Well, that would mean that you wouldn't see Tom Hiddleston as much you'd see him in like prolog stuff and like some other things. Maybe flashbacks. I don't know. I I was watching a little part of well, actually no. Well. I was no saint in the background and and game Infinity war was on in the background and I have to look away every single time. Look he dies. It hurts my soul. So if we get any more low-key stories, even you know, if we're going back in time anything anymore Loki I'm here for it. And I know I know there's plenty of people that are ya who knows? Alright more Disney plus rumor. So many rumors about shows that are on the table and like because the internet you can't keep track of what's real. And what's not the internet's full of rumors, but the current rumors that we're seeing this week and there's some big ones. So what okay, let's start with what we know. We know we're getting Vision in the Scarlet Witch. We're getting we are we're getting lucky. We are more than likely getting Falcon in the Winter Soldier. Although that one has not been officially confirmed. Damned, like the I don't know that they've officially announced a writer they at the technically haven't said vision of the Scarlet Witch is happening in like a press release but they've hired writers and showrunners and stuff for the two official in our minds. Yeah. It's just like it's that key difference between like we're developing this we're working on it versus like Hey general audience we're doing this Loki is like General audience. Like everyone want everyone to know when you subscribe to Disney plus you're getting lucky Scarlett vision of Scarlet Witch is people who are paying attention know that Working on this, but we'll let you know when you can expect it or if it's really going to happen. There are rumors of a Hawkeye series which we were talking about earlier with the theory is that it would be with Kate Bishop. It would be a mentor pass the torch role based on Ronan and all the stuff and that's that's great. I would love to see a Hawkeye and Kate Bishop Hawkeye series, but the deeper rumors our that we could get this is where it starts to get crazy and you're like, all right. We're pushing some boundaries here. So I've seen rumors this week for Moon night. Which I love Moon Knight wants the moon night. Listen that going to be a film there were rumors of it as a Netflix series on Netflix series as like because Moon night was The Logical mu not always seemed a logical next character to hit the Netflix series because he's a street-level hero who's very violent and like dirty and you could do a lot of things with that darker world. Robin I don't know about a moon night Disney plus series that feels to clean based on like what we know about what Disney place is going to look like, but the this list that I'm looking at right now has Rocket and Groot as a potential series which sounds expensive as hell but definitely a great way to get people to subscribe and adults alike agent 13 is listed. You're just trying to make me squirm with this one. Somebody said equal Hank Pym story You're trying to break me at this point. I okay. I think my only concern with all this is there's so many rumors, right obviously, like what was that the rest of the list or is there more than one giant one? And this one is was separate as its own like rumor which again was from we got this covered that supposedly Marvel is developing a TV series of X-Men for Disney Plus. Which is interesting now technically. Fox has not the fox Disney deal is not done done. It's proved by certain things. But like it's still like in process Disney does not own box right now. They will very very soon. So there's some antitrust apparently some antitrust questions. However, this is a TV series which Disney still has the rights TV series as far as I understand regardless of the fox deal. They always did that's why they had to give approval for Fox to do Legion and the gifted yeah. So they could be developing this in the background. So do you think original lineup of X-Men we get the classic we get Professor Xavier Cyclops Beast Iceman Angel, Jean Grey, whatever that version looks like to you. Like we just get those guys as a TV series, you know. No, I think we all have a very interesting relationship with with the X-Men at this point, whether you've read the comic seeing the shit like everything and I'm just curious I think some of us have been burned and some of us are just like whoa. Yes more X-Men. So I'm just curious and there are so many rumors. So now I'm like there's some people that are like what Rocket and Groot or you know, a Hank Pym story like there's so many things that I know a lot of people would latch onto Is like how many of those would actually happen? How good would they be how many you know episodes would we see ya? It's certainly interesting. But do let us know in the comments below out of all of those rumored. Thanks, which ones you know excites you the most yeah, or which ones do you want there to be? Yeah. Yeah. Could there be all right last story of the day? Yeah. Give me more Hallmark more Mark Ruffalo Hulk. Oh my God Hank Pym prequel series So I only don't want them to do it because I want to do it like that's my dream to make write it and then be like hey, so I heard I want to make this a comedy series. That's a romantic story of the early days of Hank and Janet. That's my dream project last story of the day Don't You Forget About Me. Well played well played Anthony, Michael Hall. Is coming to Agents of Shield? I am so excited. No word on who he could possibly be playing Theory. I think it's support the this is supposed to be this season. So he's already shot out what his story is if I've if all the rumors that I've read are correct or all the stuff that so you don't have any ideas who we could be playing I have zero idea. Well first we have to figure out is he a good guy or a bad guy? I mean you I've no idea like you have to pick now. He have to stick to that. Well, he's a scroll no. No, you have to pick good guy Rebecca. I know I literally that literally is my prediction both the he's playing two characters. He's playing a good guy. Who is then impersonated by a scroll that's not but I don't know who I don't know who I mean, he could be he could be playing a the president because we've they must have been an election by now or the president got like got snapped. I think he's a bad guy. No matter what. I think he's a bad guy and I I don't know what he's doing though. I really have no idea and like do we really know what's going to happen with Coulson though? We don't we so the idea that the so spoilers for last season of Agents of Shield at the end of last season Coulson was like walking off literally into the sunset of Tahiti to die with because with a mate know it just agent me. Yeah a teammate wasn't that but Polson was going to die. Yeah, that was where there's just His character was deteriorating because of all the the Kree DNA and stuff like that. He was gonna die with the soup of the show getting an unexpected renewal. Who knows there's like literally no one knows Clark Gregg has been on set but he's directing episodes. So you can't claim the him being on set is because he's working there. Like he's he was directing episodes before while he was still on the show. And now he's there as a director regardless of whether he's on the cast or not who knows it so Anthony Michael Hall could be a new Shield liaison for the government again, like because we've lost all of our Liaisons before we keep killing them off, you know. One events job. One of them was a superhero who then died because of a alternate reality Jason whare one of them turned into graviton, which was yes, but so I don't know who have any Michael Hall could be I assume it's a short stint because usually these cat these kind of casting rumors are I don't know you can be he's such a flexible actor and such a good actor like he could literally be doing Anything? Yeah, there's no he doesn't fit a type that I would necessarily say agent of shield is definitely doing but because I assume you're going to be cleaning up pieces from both Captain Marvel and and game my instinct tells me scroll. Hmm. A lot of people in the chat. I thinking that he'll be the big bad of season six could be cool. So we'll see. I don't know again Scrolls, I think with Captain Marvel and there I think it's good. Although we have already sort of done that like Are you really who you are? What the framework? Yeah on Shield. So I don't know if we want to go back into that fits. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so maybe not maybe not. I probably have more theories if I knew it was going to happen in endgame. All right, we have run out of time guys here on Marvel movie news and I want to make sure I give Amy a couple minutes. Yes, Amy. Yes. Tell them. Yeah break our hearts, but I will try not to break your It's guys, but don't worry. We still got some some time together. I do want to say that my last show will be next week next Thursday. Yes, so I have an amazing opportunity and you job just came my way. So I will be unable to be here after next week. But guys, it's been a blast. It's been so cool. You know, it's it's been amazing to be able to, you know, let my freak flag fly and to Ali get to nerd out with you guys you guys have been so sweet and again, I will be here next week. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up. It's really been an honor to be here and to go from you know here and the couch and everywhere and just to talk with all of you guys. You really just been so so kind so I will see you next week for my final show here on Wednesday. We will never see him again. Just yeah, not regularly not regularly and I will try to pop in, you know, and we're working on who will be replacing Amy not replacing. Just taking her literally just sitting in her seat right here. And but that'll I'll be here with you guys for the foreseeable future and will let you know. I think hopefully we should have stuff more in locked down by next week, but I did but wait it's too early to say anything for certain. Yeah, you guys will just have to watch. Yeah, you'll just have to tune in or it's just check Twitter because we'll probably knows it there too. But I mean, it's a great housing, but we'll see you next week. I'll see you guys next week. I'm Jack Wilson. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at that Zach Wilson you Could find me on all social media at Amy Cassandra MTZ. Also on YouTube guys, come follow me on there subscribe because I no doubt. They're even more. All right guys. This has been Marvel movie news. Thanks for geeking out with us. From producers Maria Menounos Keven undergaro Phil's VTEC on the entire popcorn Talk network. We would like to thank you for tuning in for questions or comments. Be sure to visit popcorn talk.com. I'm sure Richard Webber. Then this has been a presentation of the popcorn tub. Gentle music rep herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of the owner to prison.

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This is such a special special moment for us. We got Jake and not smell. What The Hoot is cooking. It's right. Oh my gosh. We're so excited to have you here. I think so much. Yes. Thank you so much for being here with us. Gosh. What a Well when you've been through yeah, it's been it's been wild. I'm still trying to process everything right now. So first thing besides processing it tell us how do you feel I feel great. I mean, I'm still in shock. I've been telling everybody I thought anyone else but me would win so, you know, I'm just like when they called my name, I I'm still kind of like, oh my gosh, is this real? You know, what's going on sale feel great though. Yeah collapsed on stage there. They said, you know what happens if you win. Pass out when they said my name and I lost my breath. I was like, oh God don't pass out. Yeah. It was it was an incredible moment. That's amazing. Well, of course, most people think well you were born in Texas, but when you know that you spend a little bit time in Dominican Republic. He's also a little bit more about growing up in Dominica. Yeah, so my parents were missionaries and so I grew up over there for I think I live there by almost 11 years. They live there 14 before they moved back, but it was just A great way to grow up. I was I'm the second oldest of nine kids. So we had you know, we had our own baseball team, you know when we were down there but it was it was a great way to grow up. We didn't go to any kind of language school before so we learn Spanish just kind of playing with kids out in the street and then her acting and stuff and just a great way to grow up. That's so cool. So do you think you'd ever put Spanish into your music? I actually tried as hard as I can as hard as I couldn't sing La Bamba the the music Guy or whatever his name is Clyde great dude, and he would come and talk to us before the shows and be like, you know, okay what song you want to sing like because they have it's a whole process to get a song approved to sing it and I said, well this one's way out there. I said, you know, he goes no nothing's way out there like go into this I said, you know growing up in the Dominican this and I said, I like to sing a little bomb, but he goes that is way out there. And I told him The Story Goes man. I would have even come out there and saying the on that was like but it's not too late. You could still sing a song in Spanish is true or mix it up, you know a little bit in there. Absolutely. You said on the show that you also like Opera? Just so interesting because I didn't expect that. Honestly, would you mix that into your music? So I just found out I think it was last night. Maybe I think I've yeah it was last night. So the song that kid Kelly and I did a duet. It's called winter song. I loved that amazing. Oh my goodness. It was originally the Sarah Mclaughlin McLachlan song and she read it another version with at the time. They were the Canadian Tenors, but now they're The Tenors and that's the version. That we based it off of was the one with the tenors and we posted everything else and they recently as of last night sent a message to me and Kelly saying that they wanted us to come and record with them at any time. I think that could be where we bring in Opera. That would be so cool. Then I'll actually be a history maker. Yeah, so we can expect a cover of Ave Maria, right? I would like to know of course, you know, we we've seen your process on the voice, but how slice before you even got to the voice. How was life before I got to go? Well, I was I am working at a radio station. I was a sales rep so went out and you know visited local businesses on a daily basis and what not. Of course, I'm a dad so, you know going home and getting may see from school and then going home and cooking dinner. Whatever. But you had no idea this was about to happen and even like somebody asked me today, you know, what was your life a year ago like and at that point I hadn't even been invited to come audition for The Voice said I was just, you know, living life and playing shows on the weekend when I could so definitely a drastic change and I haven't even been home yet since all this happened so I have no idea what it looks like after this. Yeah. I have you been here. Sorry. I've been here since October. Well this round I've been here since October 31st. So wait you said this round? Was there another recent? Well, I'm We came out earlier on in the year and pre-taped guys with the blinds and then we did battles and Knockouts and then we went home for a couple minutes and then came back out and did live shows. Yeah, I love to take it back to when you were. So were you recruited for the show? Correct? Yes. They had found a video of mine on Instagram and reached out and asked me to come to the auditions in Nashville. So I went out there and somehow made it through what happened at the Nashville audition and then you came out here to LA and then from there it just started steamrolling for you. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean you go through different processes in different. Steps to get to even the blind auditions and even if you make it to the blind audition part, there's no guarantee that you'll even get an audition on the stage because they got forty eight slots to fill and you know, depending on how many people and how quick they fill up. So the entire process like start. I think the audition Nashville's back in February, so it's been a it's been like wow. Wow, it's been half a year here. Yeah. I think I was telling somebody I've been out here like collectively about four months this year because I ever see you possibly moving to Los Angeles. Proud, I will never say never right but I love living in Tennessee. I love my mountains and you know, I'm living where could bills at. There's all these hiking trails and waterfalls and just beautiful and it's like La absolute just like but no I love where I live and you know, if the opportunity ever arose, you know, I'd have to think about it pretty hard, but I've enjoyed my time out here regardless. Yeah. I'm an East Coast girl. I'm from South Carolina, so Yes, that's right and go Gamecocks, but they're not that good. I'm a Nashville girl so I can say that it has its own charm and beauty and very different than La so salute. Yes what went into your decision to actually auditioning for the boys because that must have been a big decision right? You have to come and spend happier year here. Yeah, honestly when I had finally decided to go do the the first audition I had no idea what it would look like after you know, I don't know. I had watched, you know parts of the show, but I never watched an entire season. So I didn't know what the process was. I didn't know how can you know the different steps were but you know, I when I first got it, I thought it was fake was the first thing when I got an email saying we watched your video on Instagram and we'd love for you to come, you know to Nashville an audition. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Talking to you know, we're supposed to keep it under wraps, but I had asked, you know advice of multiple friends of mine and family was just like what do y'all think and ultimately I just came to the station. I mean what is there to lose? All right, let's go out and try it and see what happens and you know never expected to be, you know, make the blinds much just get a chair turning then, you know when the thing so I had no idea. What was what was happening. Now, let's go to that chair turn because yes, come on one chair turn has won The Voice and that has never happened in the The history of the boy 3 and yeah, it's crazy Blake wanted to turn but he thought he was blocked by Kelly. Let's go back to that. Right? What do you think like was lying or do you really think it was blocked? I don't think he was lying. I think like that whole thing was legit because I was there in the argument went on a lot longer than what they showed they kept going back. After watching it, you know Blake had blocked Kelly before in John had bought Kelly before so Kelly was just you know, you know, she was waiting to see like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah definitely glad Kelly turned around people have asked me whether or not you know, I was kind of salty towards Blake but absolutely not like I mean, I've talked to him a couple times. He's a great dude and I was happy to get one chair, you know and know they had it been Kelly and Blake. I mean, I know that's lame. It was great that it was just because it ended up working out perfectly. Yeah and how okay. I really want to know how much time do you actually spend with Kelly did increase over time? How did that work? Yeah, definitely increased over time especially during battles and knock out. I think we only saw her like once or twice. Oh, wow. Okay, because there's 12 people per team and you've got so much stuff that goes into getting ready for those right and then as time progressed I saw her more and more but even with that, I mean she's busy doing her show. She still doing black music thing, you know, so and being a parent so I saw her more and more especially there towards the end. You know, I got multiple times to sit down with her and talk and kind of figure out what we were doing as far as our arrangements and whatnot. But yeah, she's just a great person. I know you had said I thought this was really beautiful when you said Kelly really did help you a lot. Especially she's a working mother juggling so many jobs and you contemplated whether you could even have a career in music because you didn't even know if you could give that time that you really wanted to do your family. And so what else besides that have you learned from Kelly. Do you think her drive is when you know one thing that's incredible because I mean she is working mom and you know her her advice to me was just be present and wherever I'm at. Whether I'm working whether I'm with family no matter what just be present be in the moment and I don't know how she does it because I mean, I think she's going on tour soon. Wow, so between the voice Kelly Clarkson show tour. She told somebody the other day. She had been christened the ship in the middle of what she came in and she was like, oh, I'm going to Christen the ship tonight. I'm like, what the heck? But she's just all over the place and somehow she still makes time for her family and kids and wow. She has her dress, you know contestant. Yeah, actually. That she wasn't happy with something or you know, she was worried about something that working out for me and she like step in was like no he's going to be taking care of this way this and that like she really does like care about not just me like she I mean she's given open invitations to people from all the other teams to come to her shows and you know be a part of it so she's just she's just a great person. So is that anything that she can share with us that happened on on the show behind the scenes that was memorable to you? Oh golly why I was saying earlier now all of a sudden in all the everybody's posting a bunch of videos behind the scenes of me that I didn't realize they were taken because I always act like an idiot, you know, there's just so many things like you become family with everybody and not just the contestants like, you know, the contestant Department the got the camera goes the sound guys everybody like you just become a big family and I was always cutting up like and always given, you know, making people work harder than they should have. You know, there's there's one story where I guess he's still he's nice. The stage manager he may be like the assistant or something, but he was in charge of like coming and getting me to take me on stage to rehearse and one time. He wasn't watching and I accidentally started walking up towards the stage and he freaked out. He's like no you can't go on stage whether moving pieces around, you know, so I realized how much that bothered him. So the next time I waited till he turned around and acted like I was going to walk on stage and I started walking slow and look back at it because Jake know I'm like, you know, almost had a heart attack. I'm looking forward to staying in touch with everybody and hopefully come back out and visiting soon. So do you think you will stay in touch with the contestants and the crew? Yeah, absolutely. I mean they're already planning all these different shows. I know Alex Guthrie who was originally on team Kelly. Yeah, right. Yeah great dude. He was actually my roommate for most of it, but he's already started and I think they've got a show on the 26th. Yeah. Got you know will going out there Cali Max. I can't remember who all this they got going out there, but we're all trying to plan stuff where we can all play shows together and collaborate. Are you going to be doing that show? I'm hoping so I told him but I mean when it comes to the contracts and stuff and what all comes with winning, I don't know anything yet. Everybody's kind of Taken like a vacation, you know for the holidays and I guess I'll figure out what's going on beginning of January. Yeah. What can we actually expect from you like music any collaboration? Asians well, I mean definitely hopefully you kept collaboration with The Tenors at some point, but I tell everybody, you know, like my main focus right now is just going home spending the holidays with the family and then I do have an EP that was completely done right before the show started. So I wasn't able to release it. And so that I'm going to bring that to the table when we come back and be like, all right, can we use this or can we at least take some songs from it? But definitely start writing that's going to be amazing what you come out with your EP is like look like you already. Fan base that is absolutely amazing. She's crazy because like, I mean, I feel like most artists and of course, you know this like it takes time to build a fan base, but I feel like you being on the voice and it gave me so much exposure like you can actually cut through some of those layers and just be able to present your music and just kind of go from here absolutely well and that's one great thing that you know, the voice provides is not only a fan base but also your social media numbers go through the roof and like I think I checked today and I'm at like 52 thousand followers on Instagram and I was at like less than a thousand I think when I started yeah, so now I can I used to get so excited like like when I do bad things and stuff and that's how they recognize me as I would sing and the bathroom, you know to my daughter while she was taking a bath so cute and you know those kind of blew up and whatnot, but I was excited like a hundred people just watched it and now I'm posting things and like there's over 20,000 likes on him like what? Yeah, you know, I can't handle that, you know, so knocking on changing the way I pose because I still like act like an idiot when I post things but it's just been a huge blessing but like you said, I mean you You jump, you know so far ahead of so many other people by having the platform and go ahead and build your fan base that I was like you basically would like gone viral pretty much. Yeah, I guess so, I mean, that's scary to think that I'm going by everywhere. I'm very grateful for it. It's been it's been an incredible thing. So there any opportunities that have presented itself to you just like maybe outside of the voice that you know, you would love to kind of take on well, um, I don't know. I mean, I honestly the last the last two days last day and a half since since the final finale. I've been so busy just running all over the place. I haven't really had a little check. I'm sure you know, there will be some things but obviously with the contracts and stuff that I'm under like I don't know how much I'll be able to do but, you know, hopefully like a Hooters thing or something like that right now. So we're some yeah, that's scary. All right here. Can you smell what The Who's Cooking? Oh, I'm telling you watch it. If the rock comes out, what would you say was the most challenging part of being on The Voice the whole journey, um being away from my family is probably the hardest thing like, I mean you go through a lot of Of stress it's a lot of anxiety. It's a lot of sleepless nights and a lot of you know, I think one day we were on set for like 16 17 hours doing different stuff. But despite all that just being gone and I just learned what fomo was a couple serious fomo when it comes to my girl's back home because I'm like man, I'm there for their learning so much stuff and I feel like I'm missing out and they were taking family pictures with with my family and you know and all these other things and I miss Thanksgiving and so I'm just like God Singing I'm missing out on so much. So that was that was probably the hardest thing that you have to deal with. But thank God for FaceTime. Oh my God. SpaceTime is a godsend. No, sir. Um, so I wanted to ask you, you know, other than the contestants. What will you miss most about the show? Mmm, well honest, I mean probably everybody behind the scenes. Well, I'm getting to put my own spin on and getting to work with the voice band is probably well. Okay, cool, you know the voice fan they are. I'm laying credible is an understatement. I mean, they literally play, you know 90s country song and come back and play hip-hop. And then I mean, it's just all back-to-back and they're on it all the time all the time. They don't make mistakes. Yeah, so, you know getting to work with them every week was really special that you know, you just go in there and you're like you're like, alright what you want to do? And you say Okay. I want to do this and I like okay, we're on it and change it and be like, oh no I want to do this and they change it on the fly like that. So working with them was definitely a highlight. That's so cool. Because now Now you kind of have to start collecting other people to create your own band, right, do you already have an idea who you're going to recruit for that? I've played some shows with some guys back home that could you know, definitely be a part of it. Okay, and a lot of that I guess depends on what comes with you know, either label signing or whatever else I don't know what all that looks like, but I've got a couple guys back home that I played shows her that I think the world of and I love playing with it. They know they know how I play already. We've been playing together for years and so Maybe maybe looking at using some of those guys to learn. Uh, maybe yeah, you know, I think I think I start off with just writing some more and getting some more singles under my belt before but you know, definitely hopefully open up for some people in the near future. Yeah. I want to get into also because you saying you are a beautiful song writer. I loved your song better off without you. Thank you and co-wrote. That was such such a great song and I love how Kelly said. It is such a relatable song. I mean you wrote that. I'm sure during a very hard time for you. So go back to that. When did you write that? How was that for you? And how did how was that the one you picked to sing on the boys? Yeah, so that was the first co-ed I ever did and I wrote it with a guy named Ava Hanish incredible songwriter out of Nashville, and I had just gone through a divorce and he had gone through divorce years prior is happily married now with a couple girls. And so I had I'd gone to write with him with all these different song ideas and he just wasn't he wasn't feeling any of he's very, you know, eccentric and just you know, he knows how to write. I mean, he's just brilliant and then I said, well I've had I've got this this line that I can't get out of my head and it's I can see the Thunder and here the dark because in my darkest moment you can cut through Darkness, you know, I mean, I just you can feel it and he goes, oh, I like that and at the time when I we're talking I was just like nonchalantly unconsciously playing this this Riff on my guitar and he goes keep that and keep the line. Okay, let's let's Something and then we just wrote the song in less than two hours. Wow with the Rhythm and use the line the first verse and you have the truth. I was crazy. Yeah, it just it just kind of flowed out, you know, and sometimes when you write, you know songs Just flow out of you got that right jobs, it takes like multiple days and you're coming back and right and so it just it was never any kind of smear campaign. It was never to bash. Anybody was just literally feelings that we were having that we just wanted to get out like, yeah, and the reason that I used it on the show was because I had already released the song prior. Okay, and it really wasn't doing much and so I pulled it back down and the people who had heard it loved it. And so I was just like well, you know, so I submitted a couple songs and I wrote another song called love at a time and I submitted both of those and Kelly love both of them. But she thought for the show, you know that better off without you maybe receive better and it's been it's been incredible. I mean, I've had so many people reach out and say that they relate to it which as a songwriter. That's your dream. Yeah, you know, so it's you know, it's done way more than I ever thought it would and so I'm very grateful. Have you had any father's reach To you know, I know you love your daughters so much and you know, you pretty much done so much for them. It has it been any fathers that actually reached out to you to say. Hey, you've been an inspiration to me. I see the love that you have for your daughters. Yeah, there's been a couple there's been a couple of single moms to that that reached out and said, you know, I've gone through a rough divorce and you know, it's really inspirational that you're doing this and then there's also the people that are saying, you know, as far as like getting on The Voice, you know, they're like man, I've you know, I've always wanted to sing and you know, I'm a single parent and you've kind of given me that Inspiration to go out and try this stuff now so you know, no matter what area, you know, no matter who it is, like even if one person reached out, you know, that's that's special to me. And so it's been really cool to think that somehow I helped somebody out somewhere. So it's been really special now. Is there anything in particular that you know looking at the voice from TV? Like we seen one thing with is there anything in particular that you say actually being on the voice that people out there? Just don't see Oh, I think you know honestly this goes back to you know, the Friendship aspect it is a it is a singing competition and you know, we're all very aware that but none of us approached it as a competition like even in battles on we're literally going against each other on stage everybody approach those as we're going to create something beautiful on that stage one of us is going to win and the other one's going to get stolen or say that's how we all approached it. And so there was no Like okay I'm singing with you. I'm about to beat you, you know and like trying to out, you know outshine and then even as it the competition went on, you know, we had sitting at the artist hint why somebody was performing and then they would come in and we'd all give them, you know, Applause and standing ovations because we were all just so encouraging of everybody and you know supportive so it wasn't ever a competition like feeling even though it is a competition but just the camaraderie and you know, you just build that you know your family essentially so that was that's probably one thing that you don't get to see a whole lot of that. Booted out of you like out of everybody when I would watch the show. I'd be like everyone loves each other and you can tell and that's what's it's so beautiful that you could be in a competition like the voice you're competing for what $100,000 that you want and mean there's so much on the line, but yet the end of the day, it's still just this great camaraderie between all of you which was very beautiful to watch especially you you're such a humble. I don't think just just very loving I do. The question though just curious icing to so I get in I can get extremely nervous. I don't know about you. I like might throw like tighten up and I just can't get any notes out. Sometimes I'm so nervous. So was there anything you did pre rituals or anything just to get the nerves out or did you ever go? I don't know if I can hit that note. I don't know if I can do this. Do you ever have those type of moments? Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't have a pre pre ritual until I did the Desperado cover. Oh, wow, getting ready for our you know, and we'd go in and out only rehearse Our Song and make sure we were hitting everything but also had a change that because it's the same competition. If you sing a song the exact way, it was recorded prior. People are gonna be like, okay, you know not changing it. So we had to figure out ways to create an we change it and so I would focus so much on like okay. I've got to hit this note and then I got to come down here and Bali back up here and I've got to do the growl right here, and I've got to do this. Yeah, and so when I go out on stage, I wasn't fully letting go because I have so many different things. I was thinking of yapping and then we got our in ear monitors and I hate in your monitors, but we couldn't have four monitors my so I had to get to had to get used to him and then after I try to remember what song it was, maybe it was Danny Danny song or or that ain't my truck, but I walked off stage. Agent in a hearse and I said, I'm cheating these things out so I can actually hear what's going on and screw whatever. Like I've been putting in my head, you know, sorry not almost also the Posse that forget whatever but when I go out there, I'm just gonna let it flow out rather than think of all these different things and so my ritual and it's stupid, but I just used to do this with my arms just to like throw out anything that was in you know, and just try to Tune out the world and when I did this for auto it was like everything around me stopped and that's when that was the first performance that I was not nervous at all. I was just like I'm doing what I know to do. You know, we're here. Yeah, and so everything past that I just had a good time. I just went out there thinking, you know what I practice practice the song enough and it should come natural and whatever happens out on stage just rock and roll with it. Well jumping off of that which was the hardest one that you sing on the show. Oh you lie. Oh, Irina I had never heard that some bleep. Yeah, and that was probably one of my worst performances Kelly had actually picked that one and she actually brought it up and she said no male country artists are trying to cover this song because it's I mean you're down here and then you jump way up here. Yeah, so I said, all right. I'll try it, you know and I got out there in my nerves got the best meet up that was when we didn't have our actual custom-made ear monitors, which sets out. Is really bujji. It was just like a stock, you know, like normal ear monitor and none of us could hear right? That's I was going to actually like because I've heard sometimes even when other guests have come on, they're like you really can't hear no and that's why it's so important like to get the mix, right? Yeah. I don't even use floor monitors at my shows at home. So now I'm going into these things that are just isolating sound and I just couldn't get my levels, right? Yeah. I've worn it in years before and that's a whole different Beast. Beast because you're really only just hearing your it's very strong self, you know by me you have the bands and mix in it, but it's way different than having monitors. Yeah, and if you don't know what to listen for get that many times to like, I mean, we got rehearsals every week, but we get like three rehearsals with our in years on stage. So you basically got to know like the Melt like you have to know what you're doing for the absolutely. So this is the first time you're using it like it's hard to get that mix just right. So that's why I started cheating it out so I could actually hear what was going on. I do that all the time. Yeah first time on National Television in Is oh God, that would not look good. Yeah, I think she's no time. It was very nerve-racking and that and that was another thing that I went out just in my head about like, okay can't messes up, you know, because I've got these in here so when it was the Desperado, like I said, all right, I'm just letting loose on this one. And you know, I wasn't nervous. I had a good time it showed and I love when said just from your whole journey how at the end. I re-watched your finale performances before I came here, so So before but coin had said that you just your journey from how just comfortable you are on stage and I was watching it. I was like, hey looks like a winner. Yeah. Yeah, you just on stage just owning your moment and it was great you seemed so relaxed and so at ease and just like I'm here whatever is going to happen is going to happen and I'm just doing what I love. Yeah that came through. Yeah, and I know that, you know do to Kelly, you know coaching me along the way. Her telling me no act like you belong out there, you know rather than going out there and being timid like just believe that you're supposed to be here and you're here for a reason. And so and you did that. Yeah, which a lot of times people thought, you know before this brought everybody was like man, you look so calm and confident. I'm like, I'm terrified of looking around at the crowd like maybe should be an actor. That we talked about before which is the hoot session the session questions from our fans of like to ask you specifically about all about you Jake. Yeah. So I posted on my Instagram I posted if anybody had any who questions and then you shared it and when you did that I got a lot of responses. Yeah. Okay, cool. Just have a couple so MMC to a 5-2 asks, who is your dream singer to duet with nice the Eagles the Eagles not just to so yeah, that's my all-time favorite band. So yeah, it's probably the Eagles. I mean you fun with big little town. So yeah little big town. I'll tell him you said that no. Yeah, they were they were one of my all-time. It means to and that was a dream come true. Not only getting a Singleton but getting to meet them. They're the nicest people you ever had. Everybody seems like the nicest person. I know I know I just want to let you do with everybody. Well, yeah, like William came, you know, because that Black Eye Peas. Yeah, they are so it's sort of a bow or something. Anyway, they bury and all them. Yeah. Well Fergie wasn't there yet, but I'll yeah and they came outside afterwards and they were the nicest people to I was like, this is so nice here, you know. The thing is is the imagine you're getting plucked from just your ordinary life does I'm in the bathroom singing them a daughter you can and then all of a sudden. Whoa. I'm eating all of these famous people and there's like hey, what's up Jake? Yeah, exactly and again and then they're like fans of you. Yeah, which is crazy because I like when I was rehearsing with little big town they were like I said, you know, I was trying to find their harmonies because they've got all the harmony Parts figure it out, you know, and I was trying to figure it out and I one point Jimmy was just like, hey, I'll just I'll just back off you go and take the part or somebody was Like you just take most of the song and we'll just feel I was like wow, they sent a tweet or something like a video afterwards in there and they're playing or whatever. Just going. Whoo. Thank congratulations. I love it. So the Eagles if you're watching I'm sure they're watching. So if you're watching Jake who all right? Yeah. It's got to happen. Put it out in the universe. Yeah. Next question is from I don't know if I'm gonna mispronounce this Called EMC 1 4 0 5 7 said what was the first thing your daughter said to you after you want that's good one. Both of the girls came up screaming Daddy. I instantly went to picking up confetti and trying to find any place that they could stuff it like they were like because they cut our pockets out on our pants. And so they were trying to put in my pocket or my daddy. We can't put in your pocket house. That's how I was I mean, I was stuff in my coat pocket full. Oh, oh, yeah, I think you know being four years old with the confetti falling from the sky and the lights and music going off. You know, they were just there caught up in the moment. So they didn't say father. Thank you one time. We're so happy for you. Do you actually get any say in your clothing or the way that the stage is set up? My as far as how the stage is set up we get we get some they already have that kind of planned out and sort of the clothing. We do have a say like we sent in like, you know ideas early on what we wanted to wear and I back home. I just wear flannels and jeans so I got to wear that for my blind but past that they're like really fancy enough. So I sent him some ideas and you send just like pictures of like different, you know outfits or whatever. Okay. I sent them one with a suit jacket just one. With a sports coat. That was my MOS arrested. Thanks Pat. It's fine. Yeah, so but I will say this leather jacket. I've been wearing the crap out of it the last couple days but this is what I wore on stage with little big town and they actually let me wear a flannel in jeans underneath it. And that was like I was like going back to keep the clothing. Yes. Well, that's one that's one positive to being a big guy I guess is like they tailor it to you and I like well nobody else is going to fit in this thing. So, you know, I mean, you're not that tall no no no. Yeah, and she says what was your last chance song you never saying a last chance song? I did you did wait, you can't for the finale? Oh, okay. So amazed was actually my last chance. I know there was a moment after one of the The review and review one of the results nights and they called my name, you know, I got voted through whatever and I walked off and Kayla came up and gave me a hug and we talked for a while and everybody was asking like, you know what she say and it was actually she said I think it was like top 10 or some she goes I heard she was we need to be thinking about a finale song for you. I heard your version of amazed is really good. So you need to be considering that and so when finale week rolled around and I needed a song they contact me and they're like, I think we're going to go with, you know, amazed if you're Good with that. I was like let's rock and roll is that all right, then practicing it for weeks. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. My favorite country song all time. That was like the song when I was in high school with my boyfriend of this is our song. Great song. I love Lonestar. Love Richie McDonald. But yeah, that was that was a song that I had been already practicing for weeks. I kind of looked at with that one. Wow, okay, but you love that you never have to do it until the time. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, do you are already ready to go? I felt bad for the people who had to sing her last chance song and then made it through like Shane. I think Rose had to and then hello Sunday did because they had to turn around and not only learn the song for that week. But then also learn a new Last Chance song to perform so they were learning to songs while the rest of us. Just learning one and getting to practice what we had already had. So alright the next one. I'm going to ask you is you're just going to have to guess who said this. Oh will comfy and cozy reunite future for some tunes and wings. Yeah. Yeah. That was a that dude is an incredible guy. Yeah, Shana - he's really sweet. Oh, he's so sweet so funny and I'm so glad towards the any kind of like actually showed who? As on camera because there for the longest time any time a camera come on Isaac. Yeah, he finally decided to let loose and you know people fell in love with them because I mean, he's a hilarious guy. He's so talented he would do all these runs all the time, you know, like know, you know, yeah. Yeah, we were called comfy and cozy and a few people had the pleasure of sitting in between us in like a minivan. Oh my God, because you know that was Interesting, right your shoulders disappear behind us. But a good thing is they don't have to wear a seatbelt. They were going nowhere. That's awesome. Okay, just three more Nina Christina says, what are your goals for 2020, um, hopefully to open for some people on tour and out with an album and I don't know just hopefully go full time and music at some point. You know, you have to be for sure. Well, yeah. And then going right off of that red loves orange 13 said what's next at or who decides? This is an album. I think that's a conversation that I have with. You know, I guess Kelly when we get back and then and some other people I guess that are involved in like the label process and all that kind of stuff and honestly, I have no idea what any of that looks like. I'm just like his Kelly went last time. I saw her she said, you know, she said well, we'll talk about, you know more stuff when we get back and everything. We got some ideas and obviously When it comes to an album, you don't want to rush an album. So, you know I said it's a goal for 2020. But at the same time like you don't want to rush it actually created. Absolutely. Yeah, so but I really cool thing is the voiceband Paul who's the band leader whatever came up to me the night like right after the results or whatever and he had told me he said man, we'd love to work with you in the future if you ever decide to do something and so that's cool. Get those guys to come in and do the yeah Stefan listen, it sounds like The universe set you up it really did. You literally don't have to worry about anything at this point. Yeah, and I mean it, you know against my will I was stubborn, you know, and it still is just like nope. We're going to set you up. Do you well Kelly's be helping you then throughout the rest of the next step the next stage think she will I mean she said multiple times she wanted to and that, you know, she was very invested from the get-go with me. And so especially now, you know after winning and stuff. I think she and her Has been are definitely going to be helping me out. Hopefully please Kelly. Yeah, come on Kelly. She seems like a nice enough person my God shout out from one instagram account homegrown underscore design. So homegrown underscore design. They build custom pieces of furniture and they sent me a message and said that they want to send you something. So, I don't know we're talking about things that they have and it was really cool and something your daughter we could get something for her build. So oh, yeah. Yeah, so I'll definitely have to yeah, maybe that content from yeah, exactly. Well we'll work. Do you have any advice for your creative fans? Also looking to pursue a career in music as cliche as it sounds just get out there and do it, you know. I was nervous for a long time being a dad wanted to do music full-time and leaving a consistent paycheck and I'm still kind of nervous about that. But I was also very skeptical and nervous to do a singing show. And so, you know with a good support system behind me that encouraged me and pushing me and basically kicked me in the rear end out the door. You know, it just go ahead and do it. Like why not? What do you have to lose? You know for it? Yeah go for it. Just have a good time. I mean if you are absolutely passionate about it and go out there and do it. I mean, you can't go wrong if you love what you do. What were you skeptical of about doing a reality show versus just doing music on your own? I don't know like I felt like there were a lot of stigmas we have really I mean, there's not I think I created a lot of those stigmas. Yep, and you know the whole idea of competing against other incredible singers and being on national television and doing interviews and stuff. Like I was just like no, I mean it's amazing. Absolutely. And so, you know, it was just something that I had to just go. Okay, no matter what happens. I'm going to go have a good time and you know and then coming out and meeting everybody I was like, oh man, this is really cool. And so, you know, if anything if I took anything away from it, you know, just the family that you create and get to meet cool people. Yeah. I mean it just it's all just a been a cool experience and definitely glad that I just kind of force myself to go do it. I think it's really easy for us to talk ourselves out of situations that seem a lot greater and a lot bigger. Than what we think we can accomplish absolutely a lot of the time so that's really cool that you were able to kind of break through that barrier get a little nudge from family and friends and being reached out. So, that's really awesome. You took that leap. I would like to know of course. I mean you've been on the voice and you've accomplished so much, you know, just by going through all the competitions and actually winning. What more do you feel that that you actually have to accomplish with overcoming Oh, I still need to work on my confidence a lot, you know, but as far as like other things that I want to accomplish in life, you know, I've already done way more than I ever thought I could do the Grand Ole Opry back in Nashville is my dream stage to play on so people can relate to and that help people and that I mean, that's basically why you do it. I feel like you know You love music. You want to create something that you know other people can fail and sing back to you know, and just honestly playing the song and listening to people sing it back at my shows back and back home that was already like I was on a high like main people in other words to one of my songs. That's cool. And so moving forward and I just want to be able to write and perform and just get out there and have a good time and definitely first and foremost be a dad and be you know present back home. But yeah just challenge myself to get out there and there's still a lot of things. I'm nervous. I talking on stage. Really. I mean, I feel like you're doing great. Yeah. So are you interested in taking any like Toast Master classes now? I'm definitely going to have to have help with public speaking or something is actually interesting because you know you two ready. All right, I sell it. I don't want to I do a lot of white creative commercials and slogans and jingles and stuff like that. I did interview some before I came back out here, but as far as like doing any kind of shows or something, I don't know if I could do it, but I think I also I feel like that's different, you know doing a radio show them it is like, you know talking because because clearly, you know, like nobody really sees you but but you're still touch don't pressure like yeah, I feel like so the way I Works in my brain is singing covers or even singing an original song. I've already got the map for where I'm going. Hey, I know every yeah, I know everything when it comes to talking it's all improv. So my God It gets in my head. I'm like, I don't know if I could improve in front of a bunch of people or what. I feel like you're going to be doing a lot of speaking. So I'm curious because during during this process. It's so awesome. It's so amazing, but you're also being judged on something that you love so deeply and you care about so deeply and I know you said something about with your confidence and stuff. How is it for somebody when you get people that are that are naysayers or say? No, I don't think so. No, he shouldn't have one. No, this isn't like what do you say to those people and does that affect you and how do you build from that to go? You know what I'm not going to let this affect me. I'm going to keep on going up to the top. Well, I mean, I'm sure there were a bunch of naysayers throughout the whole competition, but I just didn't care. I didn't look but I would say to a lot of those people, you know, if they were to say, you know, Well, Ricky or Katie or Rocha to one or Alex or Shane or whatever. I'd be like, I agree because everybody that was a part of that competition should have one. Everybody was incredibly Don't want it but moving forward. I mean, there's always music in a competition like that is so subjective. Yeah, you know, I could be, you know, the greatest R&B singer the best vocal and I could be Steve Perry on there that you know, it's one of the greatest vocalists of all time for Journey and somebody could like country music and Bash it Steve Perry who could out sing just about anybody or Freddie Mercury people who like, you know, I don't know rap could hate Freddie Mercury because he's not you know, so it's all subjective and I and there were many people that so many contestants that got so disheartened by it, but people are just I mean a lot of people can just be mean social media. Absolutely. Yeah, I would try to go by just be like don't listen to them like you got for one hater. You've got 50 people there love you, you know, and so it's so subjective, but I told myself earlier and I was like, I'm not going to read comments. I'm not going to read, you know, these people who just want to go out and you know bash and stuff because at the end of the day if I met them in person, they would never say that to my face they wouldn't Just so true sit behind a computer sometimes and that's all that they know to do because they have nothing else going for them and a lot of those people and and one thing to give those haters are naysayers or whatever some credit a lot of those people don't know the person that they're bashing. Okay, and I think if they were to meet all of us and get to know who we are as people like they wouldn't be saying a lot of those things sure people have off nights. I don't care who you are. You won't get on a live. I love it, you know live television on a stage in front of all these people and you've got one chance to improve impress everybody. You know, you're going to have an off night. Oh, yeah and people judge you so much on your off night go we are not good. That's not true. Like your ears could be off, you know something else and so yeah. I just I would just say, you know, don't pay attention to it. Well, I don't let them hate. You know, they're obviously, you know, I'm in a great place in life and even if I didn't win I'm still in a great place in life. I'm happy with it. So who cares what anybody else has to say about and I love that. So I was that and you 100% did so amazing and deserved it from so so so much that classic country voice like yeah Timeless Timeless. They literally just Timeless country voice. So pure I'm not to put you on the spot, but would you mind singing a little bit for us? Yeah halal. Thank you. Thank you so much Jake. Thank you and congratulations on everything beautiful and awesome. You're going to have such an amazing career and we cannot look forward to we're looking forward. We cannot look for we cannot look for when we are looking forward to your journey and your music and to see where all this goes. So much for having me. Congratulations. You're amazing some where can we find you on social media Facebook? It's Jake hoot and then on Instagram, it's Jake dot hoot dot music. And then I think on Twitter, it's Jacob music. So yeah, okay nice and you can find me on social media at Rachel swimmer on Instagram or a tray Chiefs win on Twitter. You can find me at Mema Sky Andy EMAs Kye on all social media platforms. You can find me on all social media. Dia platforms at I am Bali girl. Thank you so much everybody for tuning in. Thank you so much again to Jake hoot graduations. We love having you in here the voice panel after show. We'll see you next time. Thank you. Who knows would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember? We're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to a AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup buzz you later. 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Jake Hoot came to our studio and dished about his time on the voice! He talked about all the advice kelly gave him, behind the scene stories, and even sang for us in spanish!! Join Hosts Rachel Swindler (@rachelswindler), Neema Skye (@neemaskye) and Shiksha "Bollygirl" Mahtani (@iambollygirl) . as they interview Jake! ABOUT THE VOICE: The Voice is an American reality television singing competition broadcast on NBC. Based on the original The Voice of Holland, the concept of the series is to find new singing talent (solo or duets) contested by aspiring singers, age 15 or over, drawn from public auditions. The winner is determined by television viewers voting by telephone, Internet, SMS text, and iTunes Store purchases of the audio-recorded artists' vocal performances. They receive US$100,000 and a record deal with Universal Music Group for winning the competition. The winners of the nine seasons have been: Javier Colon, Jermaine Paul, Cassadee Pope, Danielle Bradbery, Tessanne Chin, Josh Kaufman, Craig Wayne Boyd, Sawyer Fredericks and Jordan Smith. The series employs a panel of four coaches who critique the artists' performances and guide their teams of selected artists through the remainder of the season. They also compete to ensure that their act wins the competition, thus making them the winning coach. Members of the coaching panel include Adam Levine (season 1–present), Blake Shelton (season 1–present), Christina Aguilera (season 1–3, 5, 8, 10), CeeLo Green (season 1–3, 5), Shakira (season 4, 6), Usher (season 4, 6), Gwen Stefani (season 7, 9), Pharrell Williams (season 7–10), Miley Cyrus (season 11) and Alicia Keys (season 11).

Hey everyone. Welcome to shark school. This is Kayla knows Barry. I am your host and what we do here is we combine neuro linguistic programming tactics with business success secrets. So all things like improved productivity increase in sales and the mindset stuff. It takes to consistently be a top performer. I'm here today with Jeff Shelton and he's the owner and founder of a company called wholesale warranties which Specializes an extended service contracts and warranties for motor homes in RVs. Super sexy. I know that sounds like whoo, it is a sex offender like hang on viewers a warranty guy that's selling stuff online business. In fact engaged to Jeff and every time we go out, there's always a chick is like mmm warranty. I did it for the ladies, you know, he didn't do it for the ladies. It's not a sexy business at all. And that we might we all know that most businesses that do really really well tend to not be sexy. So good job for you. The riches are in the niches and you found it. So what do you got going on today? What's something that we can work with together? Well, besides getting you a coaster. So the biggest thing that I'm dealing with is I'm in because I'm negotiating on building a product that I think that I'm certain is going to be that have been looking for for years started. Working with a company and they're gonna be able to help. However, I'm trying to resist getting into an argument with with one of the guys that I'm working with and like I'm doing everything that I can to not work with them. The reason being is he's belligerent. He's doesn't know what he's talking about. But he talks like he knows what he's talking about. He is just wrong about his ideas. And I he tries to me absolutely up a wall la la la la la la and I listened to the show. I hope not because you might not be too much longer like there's so much frustration when I deal with them. One thing that I notice is I I keep going down the path and getting into arguments or like I'm trying not to get into arguments about you know day. Along with the product. I'm trying to stay on point. I just get frustrated and I know what we go down a rabbit hole that it has nothing to do with what we're trying to accomplish in building the product and the reason being is because he rotates me and I know that I can't think clearly because what he says it I mean there's my opinion but know I'm right like he's just wrong about things and and also he sidetracks the conversation Rush Jen the question is, how do I just ignore? Statements that are irritating that are frustrating and keep a level head to progress the conversation forward and just kind of ignore people being belligerent and annoying and what it's stupid. You know what I mean? How do I stop prevent myself from getting frustrated or raising my voice or getting drawn into an argument? Out of your seven questions in a row there. I think I deduce how to Manage emotions that are intense when they arise on the spot so that way you can move the progress forward. That's essentially what I'm hearing boiled it down. That would be extremely helpful. And that is something that we can definitely work on today. So what's interesting about neuro linguistic programming is I'm going to explain a little bit and I'm explain what it is. Then I'm going to explain how it can actually help your situation and then we might even try an exercise to bring it all together and you can ask any follow-up questions. So when it Comes down to neuro linguistic programming. It's basically a combination of your nervous system. So that's and what you interpret. So anything from visual auditory kinesthetic olfactory, which is how you smell and then gustatory which is how you taste. Then we can blind the linguistic which are the language patterns whether that's picture sounds feelings tastes smells words self-talk is what we basically mean by words and we combined the way we interpret the world any of the visual auditory kinesthetic olfactory and gustatory with the patterns that we are seeing in Language and then what we do is we look at the system in the process for how you're currently managing this and we program it in a way that serves you. My guess is that the reason you're asking this question is because you realize that your anger is not serving you in any way. Yes, I think if like yeah to to that point like I can get myself wrapped up at the gym and like get angry about stuff that helps me lift weights, but I know you know what I mean like that brings energy to me sometimes. Like to think about like what would happen if I you know playing football and I can or get in the boxing ring or got into a fight and then I can use that energy to lift weights. However, what I'm trying to create a product make a negotiation getting frustrated or getting angry and stuff like that or something like that it I can't think clearly and I don't want to be argumentative. I want to kind of like you want to be consultative consultative and not get rattled cool. So it's interesting is because we live together. We're shooting this in the kitchen. I've been hanging out with you all morning and even relatively relaxed and till now but I can feel it in your voice. I can see it in your body language for those of you all upload a photo later, but he's looking a little tense. It's a little intimidating and he's basically going back into that time and reliving that experience. So what I want to work on today is your automatic programming for how you interpret what's happening on the phone. Okay, because I'm assuming the conversations on the phone. Yeah, actually sometimes I'll get an email that will get me to that emotion. And then I'm like oh shit. I need to I'm gonna get on the phone and I'm super frustrated and I need to kind of like let that frustration come down say hey higher rational person. That doesn't make any freaking sense where Allah, you don't like, how do I get like? Yeah, you know, this is your you're mistaken on this that's funny. You know, like, how do I be like more Zen more comfortable going? Yeah. I don't think that's really the issue. That I want to discuss I want to discuss this, you know be very like that. So I'm going to interrupt you because every time we start talking about you get roughed right back up and that's not serving you but yet it's a pattern you're continuously repeating just during this one simple task of tell me a question. Yeah, so we're going to get you back into isolation. So what I want you to do is I want you to close your eyes and if you were driving or operating heavy machinery some of our podcast will actually put you in a light trance, so do not drive do not operate machinery and if you do decide I'd to partake in some of these exercises just know that there are exercises they came from a combination of all the seminars books and my master certificate in neuro linguistic programming. These thoughts are strictly my own and I've been using them to coach and help entrepreneurs for years. So we're going to go into one right now because we've got to change your state because from a negative State you cannot create positive results. So keep your eyes closed stop looking at how pretty I am and I need you to take a deep breath. Inhale. One, two, three, four, exhale three, two one. Go ahead and push your shoulders back align your posture. And when you have your next breath, I want you to loosen the grip on your jaw create like a p shape between the back of your mouth. As you continue to breathe in 1 2 3 4 and exhale three two one. Now you are more than welcome to open your eyes or you can stay in the state. Whatever you find works for you. I'm going to go into a little bit about why what is happening is actually happening and why the results are not exactly what you're looking for. What's basically happening is you're pushing? Even if the other person isn't aware of you pushing the negative energy is pushing against the force. So when you read an email or you see somebody who is acting in your opinion totally irrational. You're coming at it from a let me prove how irrational you are. Or let me explain how you may be wrong or this guy is impossible to work with. Or I know more than he does what you may be forgetting. Is he may very well be acting in the only way in which he knows how to act. So he's just going to say whatever it is to say just to continue to rile you up. There is no interest. That serves him. To not want to grow the business with you if you truly have to rely on each other. Then you absolutely need to find that Common Ground instead of push. He doesn't want to be completely irrational. He just wants to mitigate the arguments because it is in his best interest to carry forward now if he does indeed want to be irrational or anger you will then you have a bigger issue and you need to find another vendor because you can't push people you can never make somebody change their mind what you can do though. Share a situation or experience or continue to build rapport that puts them back on. He's with you and alleviates that tension. So if I push you consistently and I have an idea that I think is right and you don't act in the way I want you to act most people will continue to push until they see the result they want. If instead of pushing You found that Common Ground. So you say on the call. What is it that we both want to achieve rather than going down the rabbit hole. He's going to tell you what he wants to achieve. Now whether he tells you in a manner that resonates with you doesn't necessarily matter. What does resonate is what you both have in common and how you can find the solution and you will never find that if you're pushing against somebody and if you have the preconceived notions that they're just your rational irresponsible, they don't they don't communicate well, Better Business person, you will always start off the call on that energies though. When you find yourself getting like that. You can simply just say I ask. Hey, what do we want to accomplish on this call? And how do you think we can accomplish it? Slash have a push more of a pull towards you. And then together you can figure out the weeds of the situation. Wow, yeah interesting bike. You have a very soothing voice. But okay. I didn't actually think that I didn't know what was gonna happen with that but a couple things that I just noticed is it made me think about like a lot of the things that he was arguing about. Its he was trying to be I know I kind of think I see a little bit more clearly now that he really probably is just wanting to show off how much he knows. Absolutely and I think one of the patterns that really came out For me even just when I started thinking about it is I wanted to show him how much I wanted to know. Yeah, and he's the irrational one because I'm right. So like like you're saying is I'm just going to push back. Well, like know I know more than you and I'm actually falling into his pattern. How does being raped serve you and here's the interesting thing the biggest part of this argument that we were having going back and forth has nothing to do with the product that we want to build it takes purely about She wants to be right I want to be right and like it's like really what you did for me was just kind of open up that idea like, you know, what who cares let him die following into his pattern. He wants to be writing shovel smart he is and I'm doing the exact same thing, but my mind I'm right. Yeah, and in his mind he's right and none of this has anything to do with the product that we're going to build and so there's no way that serves you and there's a law in NLP. It's I think the called a prerequisite for Those of you googling everything here s the most flexibility wins. Let me ask you something fiance of mine. When I'm needy which is never because I'm Flawless, but when I need quality time, and because that's my love language when I need quality time, and I sense that you're too busy or you're not around or anything. Does it matter if my skewed perception is right? Ha ha not really no and what would happen if instead of you leaving work early bringing me flowers and cooking me dinner. You said babe? You're being needy. I'm doing this for us. I'm constantly working. I'm doing everything right? I am being a great fiance. What would happen to that relationship? Um, I don't think it would go very well. No, no and what? Happen if two people fought against something that wasn't the point. What is the principle of us being together? It's to build a lifetime of happiness. We set out to break records defied. The odds were very motivational couple in that we are together for the success of the unit and the whole not necessarily the success of the individual and at your office, you take a completely different methodology and approach where he's right. I'm right now, let's argue this out and find out the truth. Ook you argue with me about quality time. It doesn't serve the ultimate purpose. It's an ego. Push an ego pushes do not create the results you want. Yeah, it reminds me of you know in a business Forum we discussed business topics all the time and something similar to this came up and I just remember this one of my peers looked at me and said like okay. Yeah, you're going in this pattern of you want to be right? And he said do you want to be right? I want to be rich. Yeah, it's it's kind of that simple and I think he's acting I you know, and just that reminder of going down that path of look trying to be right all the time. It's just going to make you wrong. It's yeah, it's not it's not going to accomplish that goal. If you're if I feel your irrational liked Roofing or point. I know that you know, like even just being able to recognize that that pattern of I need to prove you wrong. I need to show you how smart I am proving them wrong will never grow your business the way proving them right? Well hmm, because you'll be the most flexible. Yeah, and that's how you attract business rather than put up. Also, if you have to be right in every negotiation number one, how little are you learning number two? How flexible are you and number three? How is it actually helping? So is that as far as like CEOs and stuff that you've worked with? What do you think is the biggest you know? characteristic when it comes to negotiation that they have like is what I'm trying to say is how do I consistently let me rewind this. Yeah, probably edit that part out because I'm trying to charge you can afford editors yet. Yeah, so okay. I think I can I can before going this because like what really ticks me off was an email, right? And I somewhat like that's pretty steamed up. And actually I feel pretty calm right now. If I was going to this negotiation now, I think I'd be pretty good. Of course. You would be what? One of my favorite quotes by Mike Tyson is everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. So what I'm missing by that is if I go into it and it comes up again. Sometimes I leave I say another dumb thing and maybe I forget this trance-like state is what would you recommend if I feel myself getting in a heat of an argument and maybe like taking a pause on something like that or or going into that trance-like? State like what you just record because I'm like, I'm really calm right now, but I was you made me calm but now that even I'm kind of experience this you can probably see your read my book. You're not living it again. You are climbing to know how do I you know, how do I do it when it's more in the Moment Like It kind of like I say that like when I get punched in the face and that animal fucking just want to choke you kind of mentality going to call me down again because this is insane get the question. You've restated the question three times and you're coming from a place of that same. of Despair negative emotions So sit back in your chair. All right, and you to relax your giant biceps ladies. He's taken shut your eyes. Inhale through your nose 1 2 3 4 exhale 3 2 1 unclench your jaw a little bit and roll your shoulders back to a place that feels comfortable. Now the reason I'm putting you back into this state, it's not because I like the chill Jeff. It's because from this state you find power as opposed to being powerful. And we need you in a state that serves you instead of a state that limits you. So my answer now that you're calling you can open your eyes and do whatever you need to do my answer for you is how do I stay in this state when I am punched in the face And I would say eliminate the face punch in general and you're like, well, you can't because he's done a little bit whatever the heck label you put on him is how about this from this state of power you release the negative emotions and you use a tone of curiosity. Of how could he be right in? What interest does he have that I am in alignment with and what you do is the most. Difficult thing you will probably have had to do in your entire business career you pick up the phone you schedule a meeting from my calm relaxed state where you are not fearful about getting punched in the face and you physically call him because then you are in control and he picks up the phone and maybe he sounds disgruntled. Maybe he brings his baggage into the call as well. That's fine. You're not going to be in the call with baggage. You're going to Simply explain Let's Pretend. His name is Mike I don't know his name, I don't need to know it. He said Mike don't have a conversation and make those. Yeah, what's that because of imagine he's a little negative to begin with because he knows every call with you you were going to push him and try to prove him wrong and hurt who he is as a human being and a man because all people at the core of it. They want to feel loved. They want to feel that there are enough. And when you threaten either of those two cores, the other person will have immense push back and you say these words Mike. I've been thinking about a lot of our conversations and I realized what we both want is XYZ here and I'm committed to that result. So for that, please forgive me for any inappropriate cause we've had where we have wound up arguing or that didn't serve our ultimate goal. I'd love to start fresh with you. I could totally like when you put me back into that place like I could make that phone call right now. Give me my phone like I would say probably my bets and it's not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry is a defense that makes us put up our walls because I'm sorry has been thrown around so much that we lose its Effectiveness. Yeah, if I'm mad at you because you're late for another meal and you come in the door and said now, I'm sorry. I don't believe you but if you say, babe. I want our relationship to be a success. Please. Forgive me for being late. I'm committed to figuring out a way for it to be a successful relationship. Yeah, How likely are you to get booty that night? Ha ha ha. Okay. It's a conversational pattern. So I think that's the conversation. It's number one if we're going to summarize this and let our listeners get back to their lives and their businesses. Number one. You need to stop pushing and find Common Ground number two you need to ask for Forgiveness, and I'm sorry Mike. Please forgive me. We have this is our common ground, and I'd like to start fresh working towards that Common Ground. I know I've been difficult to work with and it was never my intent to offend hurt or push you in any wrongdoing. Please forgive me. I look forward to having scheduling a productive call this week so we can accomplish exercising together. That's awesome. That's very helpful. Cool. And if somebody listening wanted to have you walk somebody threw this type of coaching services and obviously this is what you do for a living is coach Te'o's and C Level Executives. How does somebody get a hold of you? Yeah, so check the spelling of the name and it's super simple. It's w-w-w dot micelle my SS kly n.com and you'll see the resources Tab and it's right there in the podcast. Thank you so much. That was really really helpful. And I hope everybody's got some take good takeaways and I feel so much better moving it is thank you so much. I got you. All right, go do shark ship people.

This week on SHARK SCHOOL… INTRO to Klyn Elsbury and what this show is all about. #1: On this episode we sit down with Jeff Shelton. Jeff is the CEO and founder behind one of America's fastest growing private companies, Wholesale Warranties. On today’s show we dive into combining neurolinguistic programming tactics towards negotiating with "idiots" and how to set yourself up to win any negotiation where the stakes are high and emotions have previously flared. JEFFS PROBLEM  He is working with a difficult vendor that he claims is belligerent, rude, and an idiot when it comes to building a business. They have had multiple incidences where a disagreement has occurred and they need to find a solution or else the entire project they are working on is in jeopardy of ending. JEFFS QUESTION How can I prevent negative emotions from arising when he pisses me off and is blatantly wrong about a certain topic and it takes us off course from the conversation? 🤔| 🧠 | 🦈 | 📈 |  FOR A CHANCE TO WIN SHARK SCHOOL SWAG  Comment your favorite part of the episode on my latest IG post @klynelsbury  If you rate the podcast & send a screenshot  to pr@missklyn.com you’ll get a downloadable guide of Klyn's top 10 digital marketing apps and tools to grow your biz. If you have a question for us or want to request a guest, comment on our Instagrams ( @klynelsbury )   or Linkedin  or ask us by emailing Lisa at pr@missklyn.com.

Welcome to the Glenn Macintosh show. I'm Glenn Macintosh author YouTuber developer transformational online programs. You can do all over the world and psychologists who is super passionate about eating physical activity Weight and Body Image, please join me for inspiring conversations with world leaders as they share innovative ideas based on the latest scientific evidence.And they're rich personal experiences. We dive deep exploring all of the subtleties. So you understand exactly how to make peace with food find joy and moving your body Embrace a positive body image and generally just kill it at life. You'll also hear some podcast of all parts of my Q&A video series Thursday therapy and a bunch of other cool stuff. I know you'll love whether you're tuning in for yourself.Your health professional looking to better support those you serve welcome to the Glenn McIntosh show. This episode is brought to you by the missing piece ebook a free ebook written by yours. Truly. I wrote The Missing peas as mindset is often the missing part of the puzzle when it comes to your eating physical activity and Body Image. It's a great intro to the power of psychology and I give you my seven favorite hacks to quickly transform your relationship with food physical movement and the body you live in You can download it at the longest website in the world. Www dot weight management psychology.com a you and just wait for the lovely pop up the come up or you can get it directly at www.weiu.net achievement. Psychology.com a u /v - missing - peace - ebook. It's a Really easy read people absolutely love it. And I know you will too. So make sure you head to the website and download your free ebook today. Today's podcast features the one and only Louise green. I love this podcast. It was the first one I've ever done and I found myself in the middle of the conversation thinking I really love doing this and I know you're going to get so much out of it. I did get a little excited. So you might have to bear with me talking a Touch Too Much and break. Bringing the conversation to strange areas like poodles and all sorts of stuff. But that's why I started the podcast bring these real and amazing conversations that I'm having with people straight to you so you can hear them and I'm sure you're going to feel like you're just there with us Louise is such an inspirational and intelligent woman the way that she thinks about Fitness and diversity in Fitness messages is really thought-provoking. And she's a great example of someone who's really on the same page as we are but extends beyond our work into a niche that she does just so well, there's a great quote in there about trainers being like people who clean your gutters and one stage we get really deep as she shares her experiences and a wonderful tip on how to avoid the temptation to focus too much on weight loss. It's a really great interview. So here it is. is So ladies and gentlemen for the first ever interviewee. We have a really special guest. We got Louise green who is a fitness activist a global coach, which we're going to talk about and the author of this fantastic book called Big fit girl. I love this book. My clients absolutely love this book and you can get it in bookstores all the world around for the past decade Louise has been disrupting the fitness industry. Leading this counterculture movement to for women to unleash their inner athlete at every size. So we're going to talk a lot about that and through her work has been honored as one of the top trainers to follow by Self Magazine and five Canadian women boldly changing the World by women of influence Louise is on a mission to change the fitness industry and to widen the gap on what it means to be healthy and fit and she encourages women to Define themselves. Through endorphins not weigh ins which I absolutely love and her message is Amplified through her online coaching programs, which were going to talk about her speaking engagements and through the media. So Louise appeared on the Steve Harvey Show, which would have been really cool. I imagine UK is BBC and ITV and Australia's Morning Show. So that's where I saw Louise and I kind of instantly fell in love with her. And I know that you will too. So without any further Ado. Let's get to talking to Louise and maybe also her dog who wouldn't leave the room. Thanks for being on the show Louise. Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here now weird question to start you off. I think it's so important that people see us health professionals as people not just these kind of perfect. It beings, so can you tell me a little bit about your dog? I think it's just good to see you as a real person. What sort of dog do you have? What sort of dog white might we be hearing from later on I have an English bulldog. His name is Henry and he is the most stubborn animal I've ever met good man. I was trying to get him downstairs. So he wouldn't interrupt our conversation. But when he decides he doesn't want to do something. He's not doing it. I like it. Very good. Hey, you know that reminds me, but I don't know if you've seen and that that poodle science video. I don't think so. Okay and everyone listening if you just get on YouTube and look at poodle science, it'll come up it comes from the Australia the the association for size diversity and health. It's a little YouTube video and this is just reminded me. This is so much what we're talking about. What what they talked about in the video is that people are not all these skinny little pretty Poodles that some of us are Terriers and some of us a master of sin. It's not about trying to make a Mastiff into a little poodle. It's about making a Mastiff the most healthy Mastiff that it can be and so our all different shapes and sizes and about kind of Embracing Health and well-being and success at all shapes and sizes. Now, I know that that law is a language that you speak and you've had a really kind of interesting. Testing approach to seeing your health and fitness in a new way. So can you tell us a little bit about that? I think that I have basically I started out in my own fitness journey in a larger body and you know through my own personal experiences kind of built a business on it. And so I started to kind of put out there what I was feeling. I was feeling a little bit sidelined. I was feeling that the fitness industry wasn't that approachable for me? And when I actually built up the courage to engage in it, I felt that a lot of trainers didn't understand how to work with my body. And so I just kind of created a business that was built on that experience and Shirley I couldn't have been the only one and it turns out I wasn't it. I think that probably you would be in the majority because it sort of seems to me like I do a fair bit of work here in Australia Training Fitness professionals and it sort of seems like Like most of their training is geared towards people who are probably younger people who are in smaller bodies and and they're sort of that they're not really in most circumstances really taught. Well how to deal with the bulk of people in the world that don't have those sort of bodies exactly. I was having that exact conversation with the women that I coach about an hour ago, and basically Trying to let them know that it's not necessarily that trainers don't want to rise to the occasion of their clients is that they're simply not taught how and I think that's an absolutely great Point Louise is because I've had the exact same experience. I think that sometimes and maybe sometimes for good reason trying is get a bit of a bad rap because they there maybe not so great at working with people who are in larger and heavier bodies and maybe not so great at working with people who are are not so comfortable. Comfortable in the the fitness Arena but my experience of them is that they're they get into the job because they are super Keen to learn and there that they they just want to help people and I think that's why it's so good to have people like you out there who can show them a different way to to do what they really want to do is help people. Absolutely, and I you know, I was I'm very pleased to hear that you're involved in the education process of trainers because it's something that's very lacking here in North America because we're we have one Paradigm that's being taught and we don't really have other voices within that Paradigm kind of speaking a different language. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean now is to Louise we probably have, you know, a lot of our audience or just the general Career interested in Health Fitness eating weight body image, but we also have a lot of a lot of fitness trainers and a lot of dieticians and psychologists that follow works a lot of health professionals. What would you say, you know, if you could give one piece of advice to to Fitness professionals who are looking to move into this space and become a bit more weight and size inclusive that are probably not trained that way what would you say to them? Well, I think the first piece of advice that I would give is that not everybody is there it's not their main objective to get bikini body ready. In fact, most people are kind of beyond that. They are more looking for things like better Mobility better energy levels reducing medications, you know, just living life with more ease and so, you know, It's not about let's let's burn off as many calories as we possibly can to get you into a size. Whatever dress I know are sizing systems different so I won't quote sizes. Yep, but you know, it's not everyone's goal to to do that. And so I tend to focus more on. Yes, if if you were lighter, you would probably have better Mobility. So let's focus on your Mobility not getting you on a scale every week and focusing on weight loss. So it's and of a bit of a flip turn on the objective and then also, you know to really try to put yourself in the person's circumstances and position and have some compassion for that. So, you know, really try to think about what it might be like to move around in a 300-pound body and and what it might be like to just do squats and lunges, you know often that are being prescribed by trainers. When they're just highly inappropriate for the person's body type. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really really interesting one. I we have a we call it Monday movement here in Brisbane our size diverse personal trainers run like a weight inclusive exercise group and it's been running for a little while now and they finally let me come but they made me wear a 20 kilo weights vest and the experience of it was completely different. It wasn't you know that the guys ask me afterwards and said Then what was that like for you? Is it harder on your muscles words that you know, you more fatigued and I said yes, yes, but it really sort of it turned exercises that might have been a workout not only into something that was a bit harder, but it was kind of it felt almost a bit dangerous at times. I had to watch my joints and my hips and it was a really care for me. It's to sort of have that experience ago. Wow, this is it it really fundamentally changes things. Doesn't it? Absolutely and not only that the cardiovascular earlier does I mean when you're when you're doing squats With that much extra weight on your body like it jacks up your heart rate. So you're not only fatiguing the muscles and the joints but you're also your heart rate is up quite a bit and it just makes the overall experience so much more difficult. Yeah, and it's a really good point and I think Louise, you know, that's a really good tyke arm for any Fitness professionals is to actually really kind of walk yourself through your whole practice, you know, the way that you greet clients the way that your gym or Your exercise environment is set up the exercises you do the way you talk to them everything. I remember Louise. I was lucky enough to host a workshop a few years ago for Linda bacon now and she asked all of us. It was about probably 220 psychologist in the room, and she said look guys, I want you to go through an audit of your environment and see how kind of fat friendly your environment is and I got to admit though as I was highlighting my Absolute ignorance because I kind of thought I do this full time this eating weight body image stuff. These are my clients. Yo, yo dieters who are always in larger bodies. I thought I've got this down and she said no, I want you to go and look and and there was some pretty significant adjustments that we made to our office after that. I had to go and look and think well, you know what my chair is actually it fits the people but it's actually not that comfortable if you get someone who in our language weighs over 200 kilos. I'm not sure what that is in. In in pounds and so we went and got a new chair and I've got an upstairs office. It's only a few steps up to it. But those few steps actually made it really uncomfortable for people to get up who had knee injuries or weren't very fit and it made the start of our conversations a bit like a like, you know how people interview athletes after the after they've run like a 200 meter race and it was a bit uncomfortable. I thought wow, this is sort of stuff that I've been doing it practicing in this space for maybe five or six years and really I didn't realize the person's experience. I think that's a great thing for people to kind of walk themselves through the way they work with people and really yeah and you you said tying. Also Louise it was I think really really interesting that because I think that we sort of live in a culture that we're told that we want weight loss and it seems like having that like that bikini body that you say is the like that's the key to health and fitness and success but it seems like what you're saying is that rather than try and Target like something like Mobility or Target Fitness through the vehicle of weight loss you work with people to kind of tackle that directly if you want to get more mobile. Let's work on getting you more mobile. If you want to get fitter. Let's work on improving your Fitness not see that as having to happen through weight loss. Well, I see the weight loss as a by-product so you It is it's an added benefit that often happens when somebody starts to introduce regular physical activity and healthier eating into their lives, but it's not the focus because I work I work solely with women. Yep, and there are so many women the majority that tether their value to their weight. Absolutely. Absolutely. So can I ask you a question coming from someone who you know, probably not. 90% of the people I work with are women. How do you help people actually D emphasize the scales and actually take the focus off the weight and view it as a byproduct of being a healthier fitter person because I think that I see in my practice a lot of people who are kind of almost give lip service to that idea because they know the way that I work. That's all. Yeah Glen know. I know that it's not about the weight that will just happen, but then they get really upset if they're not losing weight or they kind of feel like it's not Working if the white doesn't come off as fast as they want. How do you actually help people kind of live that that that ideal that they are much more than the number on the scales and that that that their size and shape doesn't Define them. I realized our big question. It is a big question in my I actually no longer working with people in person. But when I was we just never weighed people for one and now Now with the women that I coach online, there's no weighing component to the program. And the other thing I wanted I always want to know from somebody is what is your definition of working? Because a lot of people will say especially when they're using this scale as a measurement of success this isn't working because we know that it is difficult to lose weight. So often if that is the measurement then each week, you know, it'll it'll be very small. Increments of weight loss if it's being done healthfully and so I want to know what does working mean to you before we even start. So what would what would success mean to you? So, you know get an idea of the list of things that would equal success for them and and to try to steer them in a way of how do you want to feel so so really not about what do you want to weigh? But how how do you want to feel in your life and and kind of look at those those measurements of success? And then as we move along they will start to feel that way because we know that exercise and and eating healthfully makes people feel good. So normally they'll say I want to feel more comfortable in the body that I have. I want to have more energy are I want to sleep better at night. I you know, I have sleep apnea. I don't want to use the machine anymore those types of things we tend to hit those marks. Hers because we're not tethering it to a scale. But at the same time there is often a byproduct of weight loss and sometimes there isn't sometimes there is no no measurement of weight loss but yet they're reducing medications or they just have an all-round better life. Yeah. Yeah, so it's sort of something that you don't dine almost promised the weight loss if I get it as a by-product then fantastic, but it doesn't become the focus your kind of really setting a holistic goals. Yeah much more so I mean you and I both know that for consistent weight loss there has to be quite a focus on nutrition. And so that will depend on the individual. Yeah. It's a really it's an interesting thing that I feel like when you were talking about say, you know helping someone get off their their sleep apnea machine or Become fitter or feel better in themselves. I almost feel like those goals are a lot more achievable for people. I think that's easier than than weight loss. And I think that's a good thing. Well, I remember, you know dieting for many many years and the people would whip out a chart that I was supposed to fall within and a body mass index and what they were telling me I should weigh was probably what I weighed when I was 13 years old, and I just remember Oh thinking God, that's overwhelming. That's a large amount of weight that I have to lose in order to be defined as successful. And so especially when you've got people that are 200 kilos like saying to them, you know, optimally you need to lose, you know, 200 pounds or 150 pounds. It's just an enormous amount of You know same so hard doesn't it when you say that soon as so hard and the other thing healthful weight loss is you know, it's not as sexy as it's sold it's sold as drop 3 dress sizes in 30 days. And so when you actually tell people in order to lose that hundred and fifty pounds in a healthful way, it actually should probably take you a year to two years. That's not very sexy. That's that's I don't want to hear that. Yeah. It's and it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because that It brings me to another question that that that I've got for you. Is that that you know often I think what I say to people is that what I'm going to to sell to you in sessions is not sexy slow change where you're actually creating new habits. That's not sexy the results. You will get in a year from now 18 months from now two years from now that's going to be really really sexy. So how and I think you do a great job at this I've seen a bit of your marketing. How do you make these? He's you know that people feeling better and empowering themselves to unleash their inner athlete. How how do you make that sexy in a world where it's sort of like, we you know people like you and I we don't have the biggest marketing tool that there is fast easy weight loss, you know, we can't we catch up with our marketing consultants and they almost they love us for a lot of reasons were pretty good clients. I hope but but then they kind of bang their heads against the wall and just say why don't you just like mention Law, so why don't you just mention fast while it like you're losing so many people how do you you know, because I think that's a really tough thing to help engage people in a world where you don't have that that big powerful marketing tool. I think that there's definitely an audience of women that have been stuck in diet culture for years upon years upon years and spent thousands of dollars that are ready for another Paradigm. And so what I'm saying to them is it's not it's not sexy. But it I make it sexy in that it is finding your, you know, power and freedom to take back Fitness and own it and do it in a different way. And really Unleash the Power Within and then all kinds of benefits come from that, you know, I will say and I don't know if this is a cultural thing, but the women that I coach from Australia really struggle with it. Hmm it really the women. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What do you think? It is about the the girls from Australia that you notice the the telling me that there? They are bombarded with diet culture regularly whether it be in the office lunch room. There's food policing there's everyone's restricting. I don't know exactly what the climate is therefore for a diet culture. But from the women that I'm coaching, it sounds like it's quite strong and that the body positive movement as far as being a little bit more self excessed acceptance accepting and loosening the reins on that are not as Liberal, so to speak as maybe in North America. Yeah, I think well, you know without having any anything to necessarily compare it to most of our clients that we see are in Australia here in Brisbane, but also some online clients but most of them are are in Australia at least and I think we do diet culture brilliantly. Well, yeah, it's just it is amazing and it is it's actually it's one of the the biggest challenges that I I have and I feel like in my sessions I'm constantly helping people remind themselves and relearn this idea of body positivity and it's interesting. I asked asked our Facebook group for anyone who's interested in joining our Facebook group. It's the longest name Facebook group in the world. It's the psychology of eating movement Weight and Body Image Facebook group will provide the book details in the show notes with the group actually renamed He chose because it used to be the weight management psychology group. And then we decided for a few reasons that that wasn't the name that we wanted to have. And so we asked the groove to rename it gave a bunch of options and they felt like that was the best one because some people are really interested in eating. They don't care less about their way. We have some bariatric surgery clients in there who are who are you know, that's a, you know, typically a weight loss surgery then we have people who are just in it for mostly interested in the psychology of exercise. And so we of all sorts of people. But anyway, that's the group but that was actually II told them that I was going to meet with you. They were super duper excited. But but they had some questions for you and I think the the main theme of the questions there was a lot of different questions but a few of the guys Liz and learn are and Fiona particularly, they really ask that question. They said look, can you ask Louise? How do we do this and it funnily enough? I think all three of them are from Australia they said how do you develop this this body positivity in a culture? That is so white bias like some of the things I said is how do you ask you if you if you experience shaming do to your body and how do you deflect that and support your own psyche to believe in yourself linear said, how do you maintain a positive body image or confidence when those around you? Don't IE hearing? Others body shame hearing people who are smaller than you talk about being quote unquote fat. Fiona said, how do you talk to yourself? When it when you're around those people that have been your greatest triggers for fear and self-loathing. So I think it is it is a really massive barrier here in Australia that that very pervasive diet culture. So what advice do you have for these guys always so within my coaching programs I kind of People just start to change their sphere and so, you know change change the messaging that they're getting and that and that can be hard and this is where the ladies that I coach from Australia really struggle. They say I'm fine when I'm in the group, I'm fine when I'm out doing the things that I do, but when I'm around friends and family and co-workers, it's Relentless. So I you know, I really think that if you can have positive influences in your life that are talking a different talk and it will be hard especially if you are in that environment and and you're living in a culture that's especially so but to go to social media and to seek out there are many social influencers that are super body-positive, you know athletic maybe they're not athletic but their their fashion base that are really disowning the their body that they're in there. You know, they're trying to live their best life in the in the body that they have being the healthiest that they can be and really feeling your inbox with that and people like yourself like they you know that you know health professionals are probably the biggest culprit as far as you know, weight bias information. So, you know finding the health professionals that aren't such as yourself and your team and and really To surround a sphere of people whether it be online and Offline that are that are speaking a new paradigm. I absolutely love that. I absolutely love that. I think that it's it is you know, it's so hard to be the the fish swimming in the opposite direction. And so you need to be sort of finding a new current of fish that are swimming in a similar direction to you before you can really develop that that really deep felt subconscious sense of Acceptance of yourself. So let's go quickly. I think on that note. How do people find you on Instagram because I just looked at just your name Louise green. Is that the best way? Yeah Louise green. The actual handle is Louise green underscore big fat girl and you can follow me to guys. It's Glenn Macintosh with a double end dad was generous to Macintosh is spelled the weirdest way to spell Macintosh has three ways and Is that the least common it's micek int? Oh, sh who else do you like in the the Instagram World Louise that that that a good body positive follows? I like a dietitian down here Fiona Sutherland the mindful dietitian. I also really like Isabel Fox and Duke. Yeah, as any other ones that you could recommend that that people because I love that idea of widening the the sphere or moving into a different sphere anyone else that you really love that we should follow. One of my favorites is Myrna Valerio, and she is she's on Instagram as the Myrna Vader and she is a plus-size ultra-marathoner. Wow, incredible. You know, I'm very much really love the work of Terran, bro. Said he was in Australia who's done the documentary Embrace Love Tara. Jessamyn, Stanley is another Yogi. That is very body positive. I mean, I'm certainly happy to send you a bunch of influencers for people to kind of widen their sphere if they're looking for more body positivity in their life who are listening will put put all of those in our show notes because I think that's really cool. There's been a couple that I haven't heard of their Myrna Valerio. She sounds amazing. So yeah, I think that's really good advice. As you know, there are these almost these little subcultures these little pockets of people who are thinking a whole new way about those things and you really need to connect with them. So I love that advice now that actually brings me to another question Louise. What about because I think that you know, sometimes I find say for example in my practice and anyone out there, you know, who is in this sort of On diet body positive kind of space. We have our own little pockets of doctors and dietitians and trainers and everything that speak our language, but often I will get people who are you know, they're seeing a trainer who's not one of our trainers or they're seeing a dietitian who's who's not one of you know, one of the ones that we know and you let's stick with trainers because that's mainly your area. What would you say to the zillions of people out there who are you know, working with a trainer currently and finding these things, you know, I get this all the time with my clients to find me at the you know, the trainer might be kind of sort of a little bit into these ideas and a little bit accepting but really still coming from that weight bias kind of perspective how like, how can people talk to their trainers about what's going on for them? I think it's you know, ultimately I always say this to people and I think I wrote about this in the book as well as that there tends to be a bit of a hierarchy with a client and train a relationship often clients, especially if they feel that they're overweight feel that the trainer knows everything. There are the absolute picture of Health. They've never had a cookie and that there's this bit of hierarchy going on and I always say to people that I want you to think of your trainer as somebody like you would hire a somebody to come clean your gutters. So there's Mickey there's no he knows way more about life than I do. Yep. It's a simple person for higher. Right and you're going to kill that person exactly how you want your gutters cleaned. Yeah. I love that. Why do we become so apprehensive when it's a trainer relationship to stand up we would like that person that we've hired uh-huh to work with me. So I think that's fantast. I want the people to to recognize that this is you're the boss you're hiring this person and you will dictate to that person how you want to be treated. Yeah. I love that. That's what I said in my client says was your the at the end of the day you're paying them. So you gotta get it like you like it and I find that the funniest thing because we have this this interesting way of doing it in. In our out with our trainers is that I refer my guys to one of our size diverse trainers Grayson or Wendy and then that you know, Grayson and Wendy are kind of trained to to you know to to work with people and make them feel comfortable and and work in a way that that people who are larger and heavy art are comfortable with and then the client comes back in and they say to me I say, how did you go with Grayson and they say, oh really? Yeah great. Fantastic and I say, what did you hate and they kind of look at me like well, can I say that and I guess I really didn't like this and that but the even in that environment where I've kind of set them up there working with a different trainer. They still don't necessarily feel completely comfortable to say. Hey, I really like doing this or hey, this is feels a bit uncomfortable for me or a bit unsafe then we feed it back to our trainer, but it's you know, it's almost that the people really need to do a lot of that heavy lifting themselves in that that trainer session and go. Hey, this is I'm the boss of the trainer I'm paying the Like any kind of consultant? I love that that that sort of like a metaphor of someone to you getting to clean. The gutters are clean the yard and say hey this is this is how I want to be trained. Yeah, you could have every right you have every right to ask and you know, it doesn't have to be confrontational. It doesn't have to be demanding. It's just hey, this is how I want to be treated. I don't I don't thought I you know, I will best respond if we do it XYZ. Yeah. Yep, and then I suppose then it becomes once you're absolutely like why you went to you're communicating politely and in you know in the fashion that's right for you with the person that comes at natural progression. Can they sort of grow and learn with you or or do they kind of stay stuck in their ways and that can that kind of helps you understand whether they're the best trainer for you? Absolutely and I also want to encourage people, you know, I had a time to go through an interview process, you know, if you're looking to hire a con. Actor for your home, you would probably want to get some references and look at their past work. And you know, cuz I what I really try to avoid happening for people as a bad Fitness experience because most people have had those and then if they finally build up the courage and and to go back into the gym and then they have another one, you know, I've worked with women that have said, you know, I haven't I haven't come to the gym for 10 years because I had this one experience that really was Difficult for me and and and so I try to get people to not have that bad experience before going and and really suss out. If is that trainer the right person for you beforehand and you have every right to ask questions and due diligence and check their bio. And and you know, the trainer wants to know what's a good fit to yeah. Absolutely, you know, if they are someone that just wants to kind of smash you into the skinniest fittest person, then they're probably not going to be that happy. Training you if that's what they fundamentally believe. I absolutely love that idea of the interview process because you know Louise is a psychologist. I do see that the damage that that causes not only to your relationship with exercises having a bad experience, but just just to you psychologically and I think that if you do get someone that's been burned a few times that they're being brave enough to expand and grow and be brave and take that deep breath into to you know, get going back into that movement for a then the last thing you want to have is for them to get burned again and it'd be another 10 years before that. They're going to start again. I think Glenn as far as you being a psychologist like I'd almost go as to as far to say that people have Fitness trauma where they've where they've either been berated in high school or you know pushed as a from a parent parent or a coach or you know deep in Psychology and I'm not a psychologist. So I like to pretend I'm one once in a while, but there's trauma there. It's not just oh if they had a they had a bad experience. It was so bad that they never went back for a decade. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that I think that's totally totally fair to say that it becomes and that's where I think that people can you know people who are going to to look to start moving more maybe, you know listening to us as inspired some people to get out and start moving, you know, the any advice I would give would Would be to kind of be gentle with yourself and acknowledge and I think that a lot of people do have maybe as bad as trauma, but if not a very deep seeded negative attitude towards moving their body a fear at least and I think that's really important for people to recognize because often that shows up as ambivalence. I'm just I'm lazy or I'm not motivated. But if you dig underneath know you've actually been really scarred by some of your experiences with exercise. Italy now speaking of that Louise I wanted to ask you because I think we're having a really real talk here. One of the other questions that came from from a couple of our online group members was this sort of this understanding that and Helen was as a good example who mentioned this had how do you really let go of those nagging thoughts those self-doubts? You know, I'm sure that that in your, you know, maybe not so much now but at times at least in your history you you've You've had these doubts about well, maybe I should just go back to trying to lose some weight. Or maybe I'm you know, this body positive thing is just something I'm telling myself or the all of these sorts of things that that my clients have. How do you stay steadfast to your message in difficult times? I think for me I just play the tape and by saying tape I've really dated myself. Yeah, like, you know playing it out. Like don't get me wrong. There are still times where it's like keto diet that sounds good. You know that that you still are tempted because we are being pushed with, you know, quick results and you know, like what I'm training for something I sometimes. I think this would be so much better if I were, you know, ten pounds lighter and I know how I can do that and blah blah blah, but just really playing it out. I've done this. I know it doesn't work. I you know, it ends up in a cycle. It only puts me back further from the actual goals at hand. I absolutely love that. So you when you supply the type what you made it and I use that as I type with my clients all the time. I'm like, they're like Glenn CD MP3, but but So that makes me feel a lot better. I think you know, it's sort of walking yourself through if I've done this four five six times. I kind of know how this is going to go for me and you can sort of preview it and stop it like that kind of almost like a sliding doors moment ago. Okay. Yes, the diet marketing does psychology better than Freud it will be very alluring there will be the next thing as you've got the keto there. We've got Kido to intermittent fasting. Is Big here at the moment? But but I think that I think that just taking that pause point to kind of go. I know how that has. I know how that's worked for me and develop what I call diet resilience that ability to have that that those thoughts go all what I'd like to do that and then kind of talk yourself through. Hey that hasn't worried before. It's probably not going to work for me again, and there will be a lot of my clients over the next couple of weeks here. During the words play the tape. I'm going to be telling them about this conversation and just saying this is this is a really good thing to do and I really thank you Louise for being authentic with me and asks, and I think it's I think it's so powerful for people to realize that that getting to a place of body acceptance and positivity doesn't actually mean that you never have any unhelpful thoughts. I see clients who I think that Going, you know, they're so far along the journey and then they have a little slip back for a week or two or even just a day and they think I mustn't be fixed yet in the thin it's I think it's good for people to know. No, it's actually normal, you know, we've grown up in a diet culture. So how could you not have these thoughts from time to time but it's a really good way to deal with them. And I love what you said diet resilience. I think that that's that's a really great term to live by for sure. Sure, but yeah, you're combating the message every day with a new one and it will be difficult. Yep, I think and I think that's actually really empowering for everyone who's listening to realize that it's you know, we're not going to sell you a similar message that the diet industry would sell you you do this for three weeks and you'll be completely cured of any unhelpful thoughts around your body. It's like this is this is work. But if we work you will absolutely 100% definitely get there. And I think it's work. That sticks. Yes. Yeah, it's worked. Yes. Absolutely. Once you learn this stuff through your own experience. You don't unlearn it exactly. Yeah fantastic fantastic. So now you have to tell me about. Oh, I really really want to hear about your online programs. But first you have to tell me about the collaboration that you're doing with diabetic living here in Australia because I heard about that. So what are all the details of that guys who are who haven't Haven't heard about diabetic living will provide the details in the show notes is a great magazine it it has lots of really cool recipes. I particularly like it because it's a Health magazine that doesn't have a lot of weight bias in it, which is actually a rare diamond and I'm sure that's why you've sort of chosen to do some work with them. So tell us the ways about about the work with diabetic living Australia. Yeah. I did an interview with them in their last issue and then they came back and they said They said that they would like to kind of showcase what I'm doing. So we did a partnership for my online coaching program called Unleashed and in the issue that is the current issue. So I guess it's amazing issue. They have a coupon in there for Australians if they if they're interested in doing the program and I also really love that magazine like the recipes in there. Are there fantastic. Well, I think it's a great magazine and even if you don't have diabetes, it's just a very helpful magazine to have on on the coffee table. Yeah, there's some really nice recipes in there. Yeah. So the promotion is through their magazine is we're launching a coaching program on May 28, and they have partnered with us in the magazine to offer, you know, an incentive for people for their readership. Fantastic fantastic and you and I were going to have to talk light a little ways about whether we can do a similar thing because I have a feeling that I'm going to really like this sound of your online progress. So tell us tell us about the the online programs I think online is is so obviously it's so massive these days. We've you know, we've had online programs now for we're in the fourth year of having them and I think it's one of the coolest things when you can experience someone from Norway or someone from Canada and they're getting your ideas. You've never actually met them. I think it's the coolest thing in the world and and and I think that the diet industry know. How to do things on math so it's so cool that people in the non dieting space is starting to do it. How does it all work? So it's a six-week program. And basically we do have women from all over the world joining and it's a combination of physical fitness. So there's 17 Progressive different exercise formats that people can do so very beginner up to more advanced. But it is also more about tackling the mental aspects of moving. So, you know, an example of one thing that we talked about is just becoming more assertive in your life and creating space for yourself because that's no I over the years of training women in person. I was noticing that this woman is not doesn't have boundaries. This this person is not somebody that can say The people and I'm not saying that on the whole of every person I've worked with but it was a common theme. So we talk about things like that that are really we talked about the things that are affecting people's ability to incorporate Fitness into their life. Yeah on a regular basis and that was just one of them. So there's a whole mental component to it where we also do online coaching calls every week and people jump on before this call. I was on my call with the with the ladies we had you know, the Aliens and the people from USA and Canada and you know, it's a really cool program to connect with women that are looking for something different. Yeah, that's so good to hear that. You have that support because I think that that's something especially in the online format. It is good for people to know that they can come in and get some some actual support some conversations around this stuff to keep you kind of engaged and keep you keep you progressing through the program. Hm, and obviously I was going to ask you a question before but you've already kind of answered it as you know. How hard do you do you encourage people to push themselves, but you have these sort of 17 levels of activity that can help people kind of find that that where the where the right starting point is for them and go from there. Yeah. I mean I work with people that have difficulty getting up and down off the ground which is a common thing theme thing that I we make sure that there's modifications so that they don't have to but then I also worry work with people that you know were once quite athletic and have kind of put it on the shelf for maybe five years and come back and you know, all that muscle memories waiting for them. And and and so there's a real range but yep, but what's interesting is that we're all coming from different parts of the world, but we're all speaking the same language isn't that interesting? So you sort of finding that you're definitely not the only one you're not the only one even in your local area. There are people women all around the Who are experiencing this these challenges and I think you're right. When you said before that that people are really ready for something new. It's you know, people have who have done the old thing five six seven times. They're kind of they're sick of it and they're ready for a Fresh Approach. Yeah, they're sick of being a failure. They want to be successful in their life and they want something that actually works and as a psychologist, obviously, I love the mindset aspect. That's what you know the work. I'm doing with these Fitness. Is here in Australia, I'm doing it because I think that regardless of whether people are trained in and or not. You have to be half a psychologist to do your job and that stuff is so important you can show people the exercises and you can show them how to do it in a way that's right for their body. So they feel comfortable and empowered to do it. But if they don't feel like you said for example, like they can be assertive enough to carve out that time then it's never going to happen. So it's always that combination of the physical. Movement and the mindset not from my experience as a psychologist and working in this space. I think that the long term is the name of the game long-term habit change and that's where the mindset becomes so effective or say a six week program. Like, you know, I'm sort of in my head and you tell me if I'm totally highlighting my ignorance, but I'm thinking a six-week gym challenge. I call them lose as much weight as he can and regain it all with interest challenges versus versus You know that the movements that people are going to get in your program that are going to be much more sensible and and suit their body more. I imagine they're probably going to enjoy a more. So that's a that's a massive benefit. But then also you've got this element of the mindset which kind of for me I guess adding those important mindset elements turns a six-week program into you know, this can be like a Kickstart for changing the rest of your life. You're actually not just focusing on the had. But those mindsets that they're going to help those habits stick. Absolutely and I call it that I call it a Gateway like it's a gateway to you know, I was telling the women on my call today. I don't expect you to be doing my videos ten years down the road. This is a gateway of foundational Fitness and better mental health to move forward so that you can go in your life and do whatever you want. I absolutely love that. It's sort of just opening them up to the world so that Naked this world of movement and health and fitness so they can then sort of take it and run with it. Absolutely. Oh, that's so fantastic Louise. I feel like I feel so great after talking to you. I feel like you're almost doing like you're doing for fitness trainers what I'm trying to do for psychologists and I think that's just so darn cool. Yeah, we need to take this show on the on around the world. We totally totally do now. Is there anything anything that I have missed because my brain is spinning wildly, and I'm just so excited to listen to this back and just get all of the little golden ingots out of this. But is there anything else that you want to say to any of the people that are listening? I think that we really covered a lot but I just want people to know that you know, they're worthy of feeling good and and And to feel good as is about surrounding yourself with the right people and finding movement that works and the right professionals to help you and and there's no shame in any of it. Absolutely. Absolutely and I think guys, I'm sure that our audience will agree that they've got another great online coach in you. So thank you so much for so generously sharing your time with us, and we wish you all the very best and I know that Will will be in contact much more in the future sounds fantastic. Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed the interview as much as I did for anyone who wants to go a step further with the ways which I would totally recommend you. Do we have a special offer for anyone listening to this podcast. You can go to www.hsn.com and psychology.com dot a you /lu he's green follow the links and sign up for her Unleashed program the fully online six-week program. Designed to help you Unleash Your Inner athlete at any shape or size. I did manage to navigate discount just for you guys listeners to this podcast can get 10% off by using the coupon code Glenn. That's GLE double M because Dad was generous the program. It's unbelievable. Some of our team tried it last year and they absolutely loved it. So not only do you get some amazing. Raising training that suited to where you're at by someone who gets it, but also you get Louise's wonderful energy and support which I think is just as important. Thanks for being with me on the Glenn Macintosh show. I'm yours and a great relationship with moving your body and I'll look forward to seeing you really soon.

Many people feel they’re too fat to get really fit…which is what Louise Green believed until she had a transformational personal experience. Her journey lead to authoring the book Big Fit Girl and helping women all over the world of ALL shapes and sizes unleash their INNER ATHLETE. In this thought-provoking interview Louise & Glenn discuss: - Louise’s English Bulldog Henry (and what he has to do with size diversity). - Changing how we view success (weight loss is just a by-product). - Glenn doing a weight-inclusive workout wearing a 20 Kilo weights vest! - Separating your worth from your weight. - How slow change is not sexy (but finding your personal power is). - That Australian women “do diet culture brilliantly”. - Cultivating a positive body image in a culture of body shame. - Surrounding yourself with body positive influences (and who to follow). - Reversing the hierarchy of power with your trainer. - Feeling completely comfortable to give your trainer feedback. - Communicating with your trainer to get the best results. - How to interview trainers to find the right fit for both of you. - The impact of bad fitness experiences (and how to avoid them!) - Overcoming fear of getting moving. - Getting rid of nagging self-doubts and dealing with negative thinking. - Audience questions from Liz, Lanair, Fiona & Helen. If you feel like you need a helping hand to unleash your own inner athlete, why not try Louise’s 6-Week Fully Online Fitness Program UNLEASHED! Visit www.weightmanagementpsychology.com.au/louisegreen, follow the links, and don’t forget to use the coupon code “Glenn” for 10% off. Links from Video: Download “The Missing Piece” Ebook:  https://www.weightmanagementpsychology.com.au/the-missing-piece-ebook/ Poodle Science Video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H89QQfXtc-k Psychology of Eating, Movement, Weight, and Body Image Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/WeightManagementPsychology/ Louise’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/louisegreen_bigfitgirl/ Mirna Valerio Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/themirnavator/ Taryn Brumfitt Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bodyimagemovement/ Jessamyn Stanley Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mynameisjessamyn/ Glenn’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/glennmackintosh/ Diabetic Living Magazine: https://www.diabeticliving.com.au/ Louise’s Unleashed Program: https://gmack.krtra.com/t/8E7mMnwQToZa Want free vids, all the podcasts, articles & special offers?

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We do our Network meet and greets just going to our biggest markets and we want you started in LA and we went that was crazy. I lay with the first one then we went to Brooklyn Bridge was crazy. It was so many people. It was actually the Spilled Out into the streets are still talking about it. Yeah. Shout out to be k for sure that's a fact and then weTo Atlanta Braves in Atlanta. We have 150 people come out and then Houston was the biggest one so far. So Chicago by the time you hear this is going to be two days. But yeah two days to September 26 well coming to Chicago. So it's free network meet and greet. The purpose of the network meet and greet is not as seminars. Not a workshop it is for you to network with each other most importantly you want to meet us remembering some of our guests, but you never know who might be a business partner who might be you know, somebody that you can do real estate with and these are the things that we need to do. Ooh more of as far as networking and really building so we mix it with what a whole different type of vibe because you know, we not traditional business podcast. So it's like a party but productive tendency. I think people show up a shirts and ties and they look at us like your guy and t-shirt. Yeah, we coming to accommodate, you know by ended now you have a couple of drinks and you gonna have some good food and it's gonna be a whole Bob. So yeah Chicago this my first time going to Chicago so I'm looking forward to it. So make sure you check us out man for sure for sure and then we have our Workshop that we are launching as well. So As you know, ey, yo every single week, we bring a different professional win and they give us free gems and free game and we really appreciate that. So we wanted to build an extended platform off of that. So we launched in our Workshop series and that's going to be live in New York City once a month and we also want to live streaming as well for anybody anywhere in the world. So the first one is going to be for first-time Real Estate Investors. We're going to go over some hard money loan tactics things of that nature without guy mg2 mortgage guy. So yes, make sure that y'all register for that. That's only a Tab on our website as well. We're looking forward to that verse. So people always asking when we coming back to New York New York. This is for you and we never laugh at the crazy thing. You act like you're coming back to New York. We never left New York. We live in New York by this is this is for New York for sure, but it for not just New York is for the whole world. So make sure that everybody gets to me. So, all right, we got that out the way so we have to welcome our esteemed guest mr. J Morrison. Thank you for joining us up, bro. Yes, I gotta get a back story on this. So, you know, we have you we try to bring people from all walks of life and all Industries and You know that number one person that everybody has been requesting for months now, isn't it? Yeah, they like if you're really serious kitchen was like sure high reach out to stop asking we got them. So if you don't know legendary real estate investor social activist as well. Yeah. Thank you for all of the work that you do on that end. We advocacy but yeah, just really Dynamic guy. He's rolling books. He's he's done lectures. He's a real estate developer. He's actually the CEO of the Tulsa real estate fund, which is the first black real estate crowd funding Equity crowdfunding fun. Is that correct and history and history? So yeah, we got we got gopal it out. But you know, he hasn't it's very extensive very impressive resume and anybody in the financial literacy Circle, especially in our community, you know that he's been a leader. For years before a lot of us was involved in social media and I'm a financial advisor. I just got in social media couple years ago, but I saw you before I got involved. So he's definitely been a Trailblazer in somebody that we appreciate you. We've all acknowledged as a leader in and Trailblazers. So first and foremost, thank you. Thank you for working with us. Thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Thank you for having me and I appreciate it. Yeah for sure. So we got right into it. So when I first heard about you it was years ago and it was a realtor. Yeah, right, and I guess like a celebrity rotor because I saw you on TV. So, all right. We all know your story about, you know, you was in the streets and you got incarcerated what made you get into being a realtor first and foremost and from there. How did you transition to actually being an investor? Well, actually I started as an investor first before realtor. Okay, right. So when I left the streets in 2005 left South 10th in Springfield Avenue North New Jersey after a 10-year built boy career when I left the streets. One of the first things I did is I want to acquire a single-family home from a tax lien foreclosure situation. My mom had helped her out of that situation and we had built my credit over the years because I learned about building credit and mortgages while I was on Parole at 22 years old in Plainfield, New Jersey. And so by the time I was 25 years old and I was ready to retire The Dope Game and do something different in productive with my life and stop and beat the Trap. So I had already purchased a home under my name for my mom because my credit Didn't hers she was facing a foreclosure and then I went and got my own duplex my own to family with four acres of land hundred percent financing and at that time and so as I purchased that property and I saw the commission's at the realtor me the real to me 13,000. He showed me the property twice. Hmm. I'm like bro 13 rescue Beam on I can do I have to do what he did. I knew what that time. I planned on buying more properties. So I'm like I'm going to be on this path as an investor in landlord on buying more properties than I need to be in a position to get my get that other. Check two and so I went and got my real estate license at that time. And then as I was going to buy more properties are also got my mortgage license at that time. So I was a loan officer. I was a realtor and I was an investor landlord and developer on breaking into the game. That's where I started the brand. Mr. Real estate back in like 2005 2006. And so you went from one medium to the next right? And what triggered you said to say. Like, this is the way I'm going to go like I'm going into real estate. I mean for me it was a couple things one. When I was in the streets, my started selling drugs at 15 years old my whole family so drugs. I mean my grandfather So Dope my uncle sold dope my mom. So don't like that was just our family trade and that was a norm for me. And when I was hustling through my teens and I got locked up at 18 years old and New York on Riverside Drive in Harlem facing three years of life in prison for a quarter kilo of Coke in a loaded handgun did a 1-2-3 in New York went Upstate cutting down trees for 13 cents a day. Came home on work release in Harlem a Lincoln work released by Central Park went right back to the game like a month later. Like I said, I'll give myself two months off some coming home two months. And then I'm all right. Listen jealous. I came home, November 3rd and 1999. I've got back trap in January 19th, the mm a member the date wow and got right back at it and tore it up, but then I caught another charge less than a year later drug trafficking charge in Maryland and secret indictment in New Jersey and upbeat. Part of that charge because the cops illegally search my vehicle still depression Time by 18 months between Maryland and New Jersey came home from that when a tends to supervision parole where I had to have this men's group meeting where I learned about mortgages. Okay still after I learned about that. I went back to trap it in for a few more years old habits die hard and so through all that. My family would be like A.J. You know, my, you know, my my daughter was born while I was in prison. My daughter is 20 years old now, she goes one out. Top 20 colleges in the country. She's first black woman president of my sorority like she's phenomenal, but she was born while I was in prison in my first time seeing her was when the visiting room floor. My daughter's slept with me and trap houses like bagging up, you know, and now she's gone to her she's at but her mother used to say, you know, why can't you stop selling drugs and it wasn't really my family would cry to try to get me to stop and I said well when y'all showed me something where I can make the money I'm making now right live the lifestyle that I want to live and feed my family just show me that hustle. I'm in until then shut the fuck up. And so period gig I don't tell me to stop doing something. You're not getting me another way another route. That's not getting a job. Like that's out like it's not even happening now. So you don't miss any way real estate at us all the checks that were being made. So when I close that first to family I saw the owner of that he owned it for maybe like seven or eight or nine years, but he made a hundred racks. Hmm my weight. He just owned this shit for A few years got some rental income and cash out a hundred on me. Like I bought it from him the realtor May 13, he made a hundred but I'm the one that when here financed it. I was like, you know what this is. All right, and then when I bought my mom out of that foreclosure, I help my mom buy this house FHA financing in 99 when I came home. I gave my mom 3 Grand she bought a house in Somerville, New Jersey for $100,000 three years later. The house would have been value $100,000. So we're not clear out clear out her foreclosure. She was in we end up selling in CashNet like 99. My mom gave me 33,000 just for helping her out with a 10-grand tax liens yet. And so I took the thirty three thousand I went about, you know, a bird would it and streets but my point is I saw that real estate was lucrative, right? So to answer your question in his long roundabout way. That was all what got me into it was like, okay this real estate thing has some viability here it shows, you know to be my new hustle and as I was approaching 25 years old, and I'm trapping in Newark and I had another close call with the feds and Some other shit and also I don't like yo, this is like when I'm 30, I couldn't see myself being free or live at 30. Like I literally top picture myself approach to 25 years old where I was gonna be when I was 30 on all I could imagine was dead or in jail. I couldn't even see myself ball in or new yummy. I didn't even see a victory for myself. So I was like if I can't picture myself winning, I can't continue this just hustle. And so I literally broke my trap phone. I quit like that that day. I thought about the shit shit that make sense no more and I love that cold turkey. I have work left and everything gave it to my man like him out. You said that you have the day? Ahead, so it's like that that meant something like a like I'm out and so I was like, you know what cut challenge myself I said, you know a drug dealer can only sell drugs or true hustle cost you anything. I'm like yo my drug dealer or my really a hustler now as I said what would happen if I took all my bro, I grind I get busy like my energy level is always high. So Mike what would happen if I took the same energy 24-hour shifts From the Block the same energy taking trips, you know, all that trip to Nebraska Marilyn. I'm time. I'm abroad tearing the highways up streets up planes up trains up all that. I said what if I took the same Innovation same energy, I'm breaking down work on a May compress. The machines at welding shops. I'll type of shit bro. Like I'm nuts. It sounds like what take this same innovation in energy the same Charisma is swag and I put it into the real estate industry what happened full-time with my full effort to full court press and so I said well if I'm truly a hustle, let me go see and that's when I you know, cold turkey drop the drug game got into the real estate game started as that landlord got my real estate license my mortgage license and I make my first million and three years and realistic but so how did Scale okay, so that everybody's in real estate, right? And there's a lot of real estate agents and Realtors mortgage brokers. So, all right, you come in off the street. So no formal education. None. You got your high school. I did I dropped out of high school 11th grade. Then I went back to the tops program for alternative kids and I graduated from vocational school. Yeah. Okay. Alright, so you have that but you know, really no other formal education. So, how do you go from? Being an ex-drug dealer to being a celebrity realtor like, you know, I'm assuming you was like in a top 10 percent 5 percent whatever Realtors to you know, whatever. How did you how did that happen? Like actually brought my office as high as listing in Fort Lee office ten million dollar listing from Alpine. It was a highest office listing in my office. Not the first African man in America hired by prominent property Sotheby's International Realty and I'll promise properties but so how did that happen for you for if we realtors that are still Realtors themselves, like how trying to like break through the because it's I'm it's a lot of them so like this it's the same intangible skill. Brought him out of his realtor selling shirts. Hella hot dogs selling drugs. The same thing is that I went and found a connect like I'm intentional. So when I was a real estate agent and I started off with Keller Williams and being a regular residential agent and you know went through that phase for a few years then you know, I started actually managing to mortgage companies as I work my way up from a loan officer. I'm just engulf the business but as I got kind of tired or bored and it's another long story with the net which I'll save us, but when I got to the A point where I was like, you know what this ain't really sexy. This ain't really my swag is to be a real estate agent. Like that's just not like sitting really cool to me. So I was like, mr. Reality what you don't like, you know what though? I see these guys on TV doing the high-end houses the multimillion-dollar lister's and all that like, you know what I could think that I could get Fly and you know, I mean do the thing and I'll list them all to me that house is so what I did was I Googled richest town to New Jersey simple as I want to sell high-end houses. I want to be a luxury real estate agent. So where the fuck To release a properties it so Google richest towns in New Jersey Alpine New Jersey came up. I went and took nine interviews and two days and Alpine and as I'm up in Alpine skiing always multimillion-dollar houses. I see all these blue signs in front of these the biggest houses and I couldn't even pronounce Sotheby's I know what the fuck that shit was. It was like I did not pronounce it but I'm like, alright this they went in like this other bees did Busan with this sot H-E-B why whatever how you really say that they went in right now, and so I've rolled past the Sotheby's branch office in Alpine, and then I walked into the office. Office and after meeting with a white girl and Coldwell Banker and a few other agents of branches up there and the manager to office. She just fell in love with many was married. She just fell in love with me was like, oh my God, you're so handsome. You're so this that there I told her my story. I told her everything the felonies where I come from the whole thing, and she was just like that's so awesome. I guess it's hard to get around. We had a meeting with them and other brands. In on Brody they hired me. So was there a specific listing that changed the game for you from from that being at that position? Yeah, I mean, I don't think was somewhat specific listing what change the game for me was Sotheby's a great branding can great. Do you explain what's up the pieces because we got it. I'm actual question about them. But a lot of people might not know who that actually yeah, so Sotheby's International Realty. Well some of these as a company they function in luxury assets. . So there's mainly an art party world the right did the art diamonds and high in real estate. So Sotheby's throughout the world is known really for their art auctions for their diamonds and jewelry and for their high-end luxury real estate and so that was attractive to me. And so anyway being at Sotheby's I learned so much about a different level of business infrastructure and different level of branding and marketing right and that's what really changed the game for me roll my brand. So like Now, you know, I mean it's like I really saw how they package things and really, you know high level and and the the owner's son. I don't really prefer a big actually. I don't really have a grudge with Sotheby's they asked me to resign and I get to that story later, but it actually propelled my whole career so I actually appreciate the blessing and ask me to resign because of my vocal in this about being a spokesperson in the black community and match their brand but um, nevertheless the owner's son Michael oppler. He challenged me. As I was new in the business it said okay. Listen, you were mr. Real estate in Central Jersey, you know School you were the guy in urban America but up here that shit. Don't fly. He was like, you know, why would someone trust you with their multimillion-dollar house what's different from you than all his other agents who live here? Who come from here who don't look like you you know, what's your why do you want to be here? And why do you want to do real estate and he sent me a video from some guy on YouTube and some small crowd and a video is like find your why or whatever and I watched it and it really touched me and it made me think about so they challenged me to Bring them a business plan of my why and what I was going to do different at Sotheby's if they were to, you know, get behind me. And so I said my why why I'm excited about real estate because way real estate changed my life and I want the bridge the gap between real estate and pop culture meaning our culture right culture. Right? And so I made this business plan deck. I still have it in my email at Jay-Z and Beyonce on the front. It was like Bridging the Gap between real estate and pop culture and I gave him my business plan on how I was going to impact pop culture. And put everybody on a real estate at everything from teaching the high schools teaching in colleges throwing celebrity events to open houses to all these creative things that I literally do not today. But um, that was my Y and so I had the opportunity through one of my friends at the time who was promoting me and supporting me. She was just Googling and researching online different networks that had opportunities for realtors and NBC was looking for a realtor for their show open house. NYC and I happen to have a client at the time Muhammad Wilkerson shout the mo and they were doing their Super Bowl Edition. So when we hit and we said listen, I got to NFL client, you know former Jets play a former judge player. Yeah. I've NFL client never. Oh, perfect. We bring them on for NBC. So I had a monkey like yeah, so I went and showed him too high in properties on NBC and then NBC it me back. Like hey, this is the highest ratings that we had all year. Like, you know, I mean, we love doing a show you're so natural you do anymore. Or I'm gonna all right cool. So then I started taking other clients Angela Yee Bobby in off the twins from the 40/40 Club was my Bros. I forgot the name of that. But anyway, I was taking the people I knew in my network on NBC right? And so I brought that value to something as well. So now I'm on NBC representing Sotheby's in front of two to three million viewers every week. Right as I was as I was featuring and obviously lifting my brand the same time, but during that time I did lose track of my I'm I was a bridge the gap between real estate in pop culture. So I also was teaching or going to Inner City Schools. I started a program called hip-hop to homeowners where I was teaching in inner-city kids about real estate mortgages credit and all that and I did it through a I was I was thinking like okay if I want to bridge the gap between real estate and pop culture. It's cool to teach us always but what about the youth who could have got this game earlier and been way ahead of the game than us. Yeah, so I was like, well if I was 17 how the hell would I want to learn real estate? I don't want anybody coming and give me some boring. Jurors, talk about real estate. So I was like, you know what? Let's bring some music in some giveaways, right? And so I put together a program like in one week on my iPad and my crib just put to get little keynote my first little key to whatever made him on iPad presentation, and I just that was in January and February I Jesse actually January. I started calling cold-calling School saying Hey, listen, I'm a celebrity realtor. I want to teach this game the kids and your school. I went to Carter of high school in New Jersey and Malcolm X Shabazz and Newark Central High School in Newark where the honorable mayor rosberg. Go of Newark. He once was a principal there. He was one of the principal when I did a school and just 30 under 30 schools on one year where I was teaching using DJ Little Man other DJ's Rocawear sponsored at given us giveaways and I was just teaching kids about financial literacy and real estate and his creative as assembly and he was really getting it though. Like 450 kids 600 kids 800 kids inner city kids who are learning a definition of credit whole learning mortgage, right, you know, you know all that and so all that again just round up into my why and what I did, you know, Weekly at Sotheby's was that so you asked me about a listing and wasn't a listing that set me off. Now. I did bring in a high-end listing. I beat this guy down and brought a ten million dollar listing and had you know other girls to activity going on but my focus I realized wasn't the real estate and Sotheby's realize that to like hey, you know what you're not really focusing on real estate. I was focusing on the why you told me to find ya, you know saying my why wasn't this the list high in houses impact the culture not if my why was the impact of culture and so Sotheby's and I had a brand - and when I drop my wake up video on Worldstar telling the Cooney to wake the fuck up and get our stuff together. That's when you know after a few conversations as CEO was like yo, you know salt nine-minute video. You've been a spokesman for the black community and although you're comfortable with that. I am not a few ask you to resign and I was like, all right, cool at that time Coldwell Banker had asked me to be a brand ambassador for them for North America. They won't be the brand ambassador for North America of Coldwell Bankers. We had those conversations whatever Coldwell Banker that didn't work out and I was like know what I think I'm done with this realtor thing all think. It's time for me to really pursue what I really want to do. And I also realized while showing a lot of NFL guys NBA guys houses and all that kind of stuff. I'm like wait bro. I just showed you 13 houses. I'm a great consultant. I asked to every question first so I knew exactly what you wanted. I gave you everything you wanted you brought your girl. She liked it. Then you have to file your mother-in-law in and then she don't like it'll go back to the drawing board another one. So I'm like wait, I just spent like three days of my life. If showing you houses in hopes to get a commission all for you to say, you know, what bro, I'm wait till after the season. I'm good. I was like, you know what this have the best opportunity cost of my time. I was like I know how to invest I know how to get real estate money. Why would I spend time showing you 40 houses to hopefully get a commission when I can see that same time to go get a Fix and Flip with development a lot myself and go make even more money. And so it just dawned on me that what I want to do. I was going about it backwards. It was a great entry going as a realtor, but it's not I didn't want to be a celebrity real. The term is how I came and built part of my brand but it was like no. I mean I'm a developer. I'm a hustler. I'm a builder. I'm like, you know, I mean like I'm not just that and so I segue then into focusing back on my real estate investment company are then launch the Jim Morrison Academy in January of 2014 and got into full-blown education for our curriculum together and all that other kind. So the root of the the Jay Morrison Academy that was based off the program's you were doing in the city schools in Newark, New Jersey. Yes, so that was like so actually the root of J Morris Academy was the world star video. I got so many that that was our videos got a quarter million views of first day. They wake up the wake up. You have been back in the Maybach and I got so many emails of people like yo, bro, how can I get mentored by you brought stop gangbanger because of you bro, that should make sense bro. But what right and so I'm like damn I can't Mentor all these people and I was like, oh, how do I know the game know like bro, I literally transition out of the street from from the from the mud like bro. I had no corporate etiquette. No, Poetic kid like I know how to send the email and 2005 and I got a real estate. It is such an email upon what like yeah, how you doing like from the ground? And so I knew I could give back an impact people but I didn't know what vehicle to do that and one on one. I mean, I only got so much capacity. And so that's when I was like, okay. I didn't know what's called the curriculum back then but I was like, okay when put together like I'm on automate like what I know some I'ma teach what I know. I'm going to record it. I'm going to do mentorship calls every week. So people don't watch videos like you too, but you're actually called me every weekend get mentorship. So open up a group mentorship line. I put together a curriculum that was some developers put together our school website that I thought of the idea November 2013. We did a soft launch December 2013. We launched our school January 8th of 2014 and since then had over 80,000 students are now Inc 500 top 10 educational companies in the country sure in real life. All right. So now we got the backstory so The next segment we are going to some gyms and get some education or going to say cuz that's that's what we had before I do. Ernest you currently paying off student loan debt interested in improving the financial literacy or looking for new ways to earn income and today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on the talk money with the mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts break down complex ideas and bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects. From buying Bitcoin dealing with student loan debt and everything in between. So listen to talk money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in learn in today's economy. All right. So now we're going to talk about some some key terms because we had we had a couple real estate episodes. But each real estate episode is different and I jotted down some stuff that a I got from your page and be that we haven't covered yet. So I think it'll be good information. First thing I want to talk about is a HELOC, right? Okay, and I saw on your pay you guys something about we five verses he locks. So we talked about the refi, but can you explain he like we haven't covered he locks yet. Can you explain what is it? He'll HELOC even stand for. All right, so he locked his home equity line of credit and it's a way to tap into your Equity without restarting your mortgage again. So like with the refinance you're getting a whole new loan holding the mortgage so you could have paid your house down for the last 17 years you get to refinance you back to zero on a 30-year mortgage. Come on the tap into your Equity with a HELOC you can tap into your Equity keeping your existing mortgage. But now you put a second mortgage all or mortgage piggybacking that mortgage right behind it and you can tap into your Equity that way through a second mortgage not resetting your first mortgage and with a HELOC. It's a home equity line of credit. So it's not a new loan, but it's a line you can tap into so with the refinance you got to start paying on that Capital the day you refinance right that hold alone with a HELOC. It just says hey I got access to the 70 grand and I only pay on whatever I use of that 70 grand. So if I find a property in Detroit that I can go acquire for 11,000 and put 20,000 into and flip. I'm only going to pay on 21,000. I borrow from the HELOC as opposed to five refinance and pulls 70,000. Now I'm paying interest on that whole 70 I would he like you're only paying interest on the amount you use because it a separate statement like so when you get your yes, it's a yes, I would say that's a whole separate loan. It is a second loan to your existing loan. What does it still go off for the equity? All right. So the reef sighs like you have a $200,000 house and it goes up to 400,000. Now you have $200,000 Equity could be fine from that right is the HELOC still based off of that Equity or less? Well, let's let's correct that this is a big misunderstanding that we teach in the J Morris and Academy for our students many times. We think that okay. I got a house. That's 200,000 right? There are oh and it's worth four hundred thousand, right? So you like yo, bro got 200,000 Equity. What can I do? You got $20,000 Equity, but you don't have 200,000 Equity that you can use, right? The banks have something called a loan to value what we call LTV right here term LTV, it means loan-to-value. And so the banks may say will lend you 80% LTV or 80 percent loan to value. So the value of your home is 400,000 the bank saying will give you 80% of that 400,000 which is 360. So if you oh 200 and a bank only going to long to 80% of your value, which is 360 - that means you really got 160 hours and Equity you can use Right, so you don't get the Tilt the full 200 right? Same thing with a HELOC though. The bank says hey, we're going to give you an 80% LTV of your HELOC. Then that means you get 80% of that 400 360 but now we're not going to reset your mortgage. You still owe the same 200, but what do you a credit line for the 160 and you only pay on what you use that 160 whenever you use it. You could pay it back down use it again pay back down using it again and you only pay on what you use but it's only based on the LTV of the house. You do not get the full value of your equity and less of bankers. when you a hundred percent LTV, so alright, each person's situation is different but is one better than the other and your opinion or there's In a blanket statement, I would say the HELOC is more preferred and a blanket statement. I don't really like blanket statements. Probably like what you just said, every scenario is different which is why I believe in being informed investor, if you know how a refi works in the pros the cons and you know how a HELOC works in the pros and cons based on your specific scenario and situation. You can choose what makes more sense right? For instance. You may only have been in your house for a year and a half and now you can get a refinance at a five and a half percent rate. Of your Equity at an 85 LTV you go to the bank and you want a HELOC. They may say we're only give you an 80% LTV Which is less Equity to tap into and we're going to charge you a seven and a half percent rate being to only been your property for a year and a half. You might want to take the refinance which is cheaper interest and more Equity you can tap into and you're only restarted your mortgage by one year. It's right. So depending on your scenario when you're informed you can make sure to take decisions. Is it based? So typically are the interest rate a little higher on a HELOC or Does it depend on the scenario here most times? You'll find that a HELOC is higher because it's a second mortgage. So what that means we have a second mortgage is that if you were to foreclose or default on your loan, the first mortgage gets paid first, the second mortgage only gets the leftovers. So as a second mortgage lender, you take more risk having a second because you may not get paid if things go bad. So I'm A lender which I am a private lender if I'm A lender and you want Second mortgage from me. I'm not gonna give you the same rate as your first mortgage. I'm taking more risk, right? So he locked can be and typically may be more expensive than your first mortgage refire or traditional. So your private Lindy's huh? I sure am hard money loans hard money soft money creative financing joint ventures Mezzanine Financing Gap financing construction funding all that and that's through which we commercial was that with that's the Tulsa Farm. That's what Tulsa real estate fun. We are we are a private lender and we are a development company. We are full-blown. Company, alright, so we'll talk about that. It's exciting for sure. So we're about cost segregation. What's that? All right, so cost segregation is a tax strategy or tax vehicle. You can use when as a full-time investor real estate investor. You can basically cost segregate means you can deduct the personal tangible property of an asset. So right now we're in this building right the owners of this building can deduct Anything in his building that can take off with a screwdriver and a hammer from their earned income. So if the owners of the building where wealthy and they made, you know, they're making ten million dollars a year, but they own this whole asset and it's all these doors in here every single door every knob every stairwell every HVAC every everything every cabinet that they can take a tick off with a screwdriver and a hammer. They can take the value of that and deduct it from their earned income therefore reporting less earn income. Come therefore paying less tax taxes and mitigating or minimizing or tax exposure. What about the acronym I are okay, irr is internal rate of return, irr is basically an oral why but calculating the importance and significance of time and Roi so if for instance We invested in something today and we flipped it this year may 33% that's 30 or the other people use it even ever meet 30 percent right and one year. So Roi is annualized right maybe 30 percent in one year. Let's say we made 15,000 in six months fifteen thousand and six months is equivalent to irr. 30,000 in one year is saying if I were to do this again, but the same six months Riley 30,000 there is duplicated. Right? So now if you have 30,000 in one year as a no Why but now let's say you made the same money, but it took you two years to make the same money. So now you're irr over two years will be 15% right? Because now you're looking at me 30% on one year, but now if I break it up over two years, right the ROI on it considering time is now 15 percent now if it's three years is broken up and now you maybe 10% or whatever that number may be right, but I was yeah and then excetera, etc, etc. So there's form has been using your calculator. I don't try to do the math. You know, my I sell for my head bone what irr does is it calculates your return on investment considering the opportunity cost of your Capital over time? So alright. The next one is guess what I never went to college. Next one is for our political Mike. He's not here why he always we talk about 203k loan is a lot. He still doesn't understand what a 203k loan is. I try to explain it to him. But maybe you can do a better job explaining what it's all 3 K loan is sure. So 203k loan is a renovation loan. It's a it's a They backed renovation loan which allows you to typically put between 3 & 3 & a half percent down on a property. But the most important part is that they will cover the construction cost or the building calls or build out cost of your asset. So it means you're getting the acquisition money the purchase money and you're getting their renovation or fix money that you know, the construction money. You're getting all that from your lender and you're still using one down payment you'll get the money and and what's called drawers or installments. They want to make sure you're not just blowing it and you're Doing the right construction but FHA or your banks will cover up to ninety six and a half percent or whatever. Their guidelines are of your acquisition and the full rehab under a 203k loan. So you get to buy the property one to four units even one to four units with a store attached you can buy the asset and fix it up all within one loan for as little as three and a half or three percent down and you have to live with that property a must be avoided unless the owner occupied property owner occupied residence. So when you're looking at a property right you talk about our Why people hear about Roi a lot? Like what does that mean? It means everything Roi is is the root of money is a root of investing think about it. Like you're an investor or entrepreneur business owner real estate entrepreneur, you're doing it to refer to receive those little definition of an entrepreneur or a real estate investor definition. Someone who invest capital in hopes to seek a profit. Right? So Roi really it gives you the measurement tool. Tool to compare apples to apples on your profits. So let me make it even simpler. If you have $10,000, right 100,000 or a million or ten million either way. That money has an opportunity call. She could put that money a bunch of different places. You can invest in a t-shirt line, you could invest in the podcast you could invest in a real estate. You can invest in Uber or whatever you want to do. So your return on that investment is going to allow you to see what's the best use of my money or the best use of the opportunity cost of my money, right? So your Roi helps dictate that so you can look at your capital and a checking account with leave your $10,000 and a checking account. You're going to get point zero zero one percent. So you want to get like a dollar on your Your $10,000 right you put that money in a 401k or CD you might get three percent on your money or the 300th out $300 on on 10,000. So then you look at other instruments where you can invest your money and the all-wise going to tell you your 10,000 your Capital Park here makes you this rate of return versus any other place of rate of return. So you're the ROI really or return on investment is just an indicator based on how much you invested how much profit you made what that rate is over turn on those. Those profits in an investment. So like how do you like evaluate that for a real estate property? Right because it's easy fella financial advisor, right? So I'm a little biased about stocks but it's different conversation, but it's easy to look at a time by it's about real estate. It's easy to look at a rate of return for an investment because you can see what it did for the last five 310 since its Inception right? Well, thanks a little bit more. It's a little tricky. So how can you look relatively more easy? All right fair enough, but as so, how do you how do you how do you look at that in value? That from a home to say okay. This is just this rate of return. I expect to get 15% in the next three years like you do that based off of comps in the neighborhood you do that based off of you know, how do you do that? Well, it depends if you're purchasing as a owner occupied home buyer, right? I don't necessarily look at my Roi from a perspective of as a home buyer, right? I look at I still got the opportunity cost the money I say okay, if I got to put three and a half percent or three percent down on his home where the 20% down his home, right? So it's Opportunity cost my money. So say I want to buy a three hundred thousand dollar home and the bank says okay, you got to put 10% down. So now I got 30,000 down to buy this home, right or it could be three percent down and I put 9 Grand down to buy this home. So now looking at well, what else would I do with my 9 Grand I would also do I do my 30 grand. So from a from a home perspective. I know that by meet owning this property and it could be a duplex or a multi-family where I can live for free and rent the other units out. But even if I'm not renting the other units out a living for free by living in a single family or townhouse or condo I'm going to live somewhere. Anyway, I'm going to be paying rent to somebody somebody somewhere and have a roof over my head so I can be paying myself and paying the mortgage with this 10,000 down or this 30,000 down or nine thousand thirty thousand down, but then I get the future appreciation and Equity from the home and then I'm getting a tax advantages from owning a home from the interest on the mortgage depreciation of the building the closing cost on the asset. Then I got the power of control of the asset right again, not to mention to the multifamily. I'm Cash flow I consider all those advantages as to well, what else would I have done with that $10,000. So if that $10,000 just say in the stock market would it gave me seven percent. They don't know making seven hundred dollars a year on that $10,000 plus compounding interest, of course, but essentially it's a $700,000 a year my 10,000 that same 10,000 could have been in my house gaining me appreciation and Equity over the years. So now let's say in a 10-year period so you put money in stock at a 10-year period and you got seven hundred a year. Say 7000 let's say we compound the interest you now got 10,000 see what 10,000 stock and in 10 years. You got $10,000 Roi on on that on that asset. Now you put 10,000 down on your residential property and over that same 10 years. Your asset went up in value $70,000 $30,000 $30,000 right just by living there and doing something we're going to do anyway, so therefore to me just from a homeowner perspective and makes better sense plus the tax advantages you receive during that time could depreciate 27 half. Of the asset over over the years but the other benefits I gave you. So I look at that. That's a homeowner perspective. It's not even the best example from an investor perspective. I'm looking at the future market value or the comps or the arv if it's a Fix and Flip or I'm looking at the cap rate, which is the basis the ROI of the rental income from the unit and those tax advantages at the same time. So for an investor, you let the benefits of cash flow which is rental income passive income mailbox money, you get the benefits of Nation in equity as a just lived there or rent it out and probably goes up in value over time. You got that you have two opportunities for all the tax benefits and as an investor you get more tax benefits than you do as a homeowner. So you could you could appreciate not only the interest on the mortgage the maintenance on the property the cost segregation on the property and all these things. So now you're going to bigger bang for your buck as an investor because you have so many Financial benefits from owning that asset and it's not to mention if you get into the space of 75 units and more 20 units or more in a multifamily Apartments. Now you got more cost segregation more doors more rental income more cash flow or tax depreciation all for the same investment would have put somewhere else. Another thing that we've spoken about and people still are not quite clear on and now they went to Atlanta. I remember the first time hearing about opportunities owns. I saw Tia talking about yeah and I shout out to tear shape the content. So we started to research it and get a better information on it. Can you explain that to the audience liked how that works and how capital gains tax plays a part in their sure opportunity zones is Really the biggest transfer of family wealth that will happen in our lifetime and happen since the Great Depression opportunity zones is literally set up the user urban community as a decoy to allow wealthy folks to roll their money over to the next Generation. So what happens opportunity zones is there's over 8,000 opportunities on tracks all throughout the country. These are mostly urban areas and rural areas blighted areas that they say need investment dollars. And so what they're allowing the wealthy to do and those who have no gains either from their businesses from their stock portfolios or from their real estate assets as people realized capital gains or liquidate their portfolios to receive capital gains. They can roll their capital gains overwrite the capital gains, which we taxable income. They would have to pay like a 30% of whatever percent tax rate on a capital gains so that the government is allowing them to this legislation to roll their capital gains over into an opportunity Zone through up to his own fund and to a qualified opportunities on track and if they invest that money there they were going to 10% That discount or Tax coupon on that capital gain. So if my capital gains is a hundred thousand and I roll over to opportunity Zone. That means now my capital gains are taxable income is $90,000 for the first five years then if they keep it there for an additional two years or seven years total they get another five percent tax coupons. So now my taxable income is 85,000. So now instead of pay Uncle Sam 30 grand. I'm a hundred thousand. I'm now paying Uncle Sam 30% on my 85,000 or like 24 Grand right on my taxable income then the Other benefit is if I leave that capital gains investment into that asset for 10 years or more any future capital gains or profits made from that asset. I can completely defer all the taxable income on that asset moving forward so I can roll over my capital gains get a discount on my original investment of 15% after seven years and that any future capital gains from the asset that I put into the opportunity zone so I can take my capital gains go into the hood, but Whole new strip mole holding the skyscraper whole new hotel whole new something. I don't even help this community at all and gentrify it and then be able to roll all the profits of that asset over in 10 years selling off to the market at a higher cap rate or lower cap rate more profit and be able to take all that money out. Totally tax-free. That's what opportunities owns is and in order to invest in opportunities on you have been opportunities on fun, right correct? Yes. It's I believe the 89 1989-90 60 form to the IRS to be opportunity for one of the toughest Parts. Is that a lot of us certainly? Communities we don't have capital gains. We don't even know what Capital Capital Financial tax designation and actually service the people that are in that community and the kind of money they receive and help the working class roll their Capital over into those kind of fun to receive those benefits, right? So, all right corporate veil. What was that? Y'all want everything? Yeah, so Bro, corporate veil is your your your LLC or your corporate structure? And so what you protect yourself and your assets is the way in which you protect yourself from and really its asset protection. Long story short. It's the way you set up your entities and a way that you have the best tax advantage from your entities the best liability protection of your entity and entities and it's just a way that you know, a sophisticated investor or entrepreneur should be eating up their company. All right. Well, you passed the test with flying colors. It was a we didn't give them free notice that about with the questions. Yeah, but when you know, you know, I'm real life. That's before I call us on the next segment. We got going to the Tulsa real estate firm. We going explain that in detail and talk about everything course. You have your store tools real estate fun. Let's be clear facts. What's up, y'all? So if you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you're probably like music just as much on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episode 2 Listen to offline wherever you are, and it's really easy to share what you've been listening to with your friends on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for earn your leisure on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of earn your leisure again. So you have the real estate crowdfund, right? So it's a little different. It's a different way to invest in real estate as opposed to just a person just doing it on their own. So what is it real estate crowdfunding what did with the details of that? Well, our particular fun of the opportunity is for non-accredited investors meaning those who have a net worth less than a million dollars or make less than a quarter million a year for non-accredited investors or accredited investors and institutions family offices and all kinds of capital Partners can all invest in one vehicle are non-accredited investors and just all investors are minimal investment is $500 and you will be equity. Owner and our company and own shares of our entire portfolio which currently consists of an opportunity zone property in East Point Georgia 5 inch from the airport called the legacy center, 2.6 acre campus over 30,000 square feet, which would be a co-working space Financial Empowerment Center and Training Center entrepreneur Training Center as well as 98 unit apartment complex in Macon Georgia, as well as 28 units of student housing. We're developing here and at the a you see Where the historically black colleges are Clark Spelman and Morehouse as well as other 14 units 7 units and multiple other Investments that we've either funded or partake in as investors and developers through the fun. So for a $500 minimum investment, you get your prorated share of equity in our company you get an eight percent preferred return that's annual and accumulating annually and you get your share of 50% of the profits that are fun, you know projects to bring in over the course of our portfolio and our performance now the President Obama had a is it the project we built he's the man there was the idea for the total fund. Was it birth at that point or was it something that you had envisioned prior to it yet back to my early mortgage days and like two thousand seven eight nine. I would flick through the MLS and different, you know, listening systems. I would see hotels and hospitals and I think about I always had this Vision to bridge the gap between real estate in pop culture like always want to put the whole community on once I got on I want to put the whole hood on, you know, Real estate and so when I would see these large assets, I would always think like yo, what if we get a bus these down what if we can chip in and go in on these assets and it was no vehicle to do that at that time. And so after the Freddie gray Uprising in Baltimore in 2015. I was at a panel that bet bust up a bus loads of Bloods and Crips from Ground Zero where the CVS was burned down in Baltimore after the Freddie gray Uprising and they I was part of that panel with Tamika Mallory, Marc Lamont Hill and others and they were asking like, what's the solution? As for our community and one of the Bloods or Crips or Baltimore, you know crowd members yell from the stands. We need to put a Black Wall Street yo and so I'm like, okay if you think the community needs a Black Wall Street or economic, you know, kind of stronghold. I raised my hand. I was like, okay, that's a my watch where everyone build a Black Wall Street beat me after this 2015. And so I built with them. I went down to Baltimore got on the ground talking to them see what the problems are the community and I thought about it like Well, what is a Black Wall Street look like if it was not familiar Black Wall Street was there's many black Washi throughout America. One of the most notable was a Black Wall Street of in Tulsa, Oklahoma called Greenwood where with 36 square blocks of over 2,000 homes and businesses that were burned down or built up in less than 20 years and burned down in 1921 in one day on June 1st. And so I was like, well, we're going to build a sustaining Community or be able to impact our communities. It's cool to hashtag block Black Wall Street and group economics and say it but what does it look like in real life, right? Yeah, how do you actually bring it to fruition? What's the economic vehicle that allows us to pull our dollars together to build a Black Wall Street. And so that's when I started the research then and through that research. We did uncover the jobs act which was just in past and I thought back to my old mortgage day is about what I knew about financing and lending and investing in all those things. And so anyway, we went to the research and over four years of due diligence and research and I mean we put yourself in position to IPO on June 1st anniversary of the Black Wall Street bombing on June 1st, 2018. We IPO this fund to the tune of you know over I think a millionaire or nearly two million dollars raised our first 24 hours our website crashed three times the first day I was so pissed but you know so many hits on our website and so much national attention and we've raised, you know, several million dollars to date and have built a multi-million dollar portfolio. Just with the First round of our fun and our first year as the you know historic post real estate fund the first black owned real estate crowdfund history. So how does that work as far as because we talked about the tech fun and he had got the like wait a couple years so each I guess companies different like for your company. It's like you have to wait one year before you can start to receive money from it. So you won one year lock up until you're eligible to receive your quarterly dividends, but we cannot pay dividends until the fund is profit of properly. So we're developing assets that take two and Years to develop then you obviously have to wait for the development of those assets and stabilization of those assets the rents though, you know Equity that we fought and all that to become profitable. So it's a long-term play. It's a long-term place a legacy fund, right? And so that's what we are really campaigning for getting everyone to understand if you want to fix them flip a home and make quick money or wholesale real estate with no cash or credit cool come to J Morris Academy what teach you that you can do that in your everyday life, but if you want a chip in as a collective Something that to fits within your budget or we all could chip in the Empower our own communities and fund our own projects and fund our own deals without going to anyone else for help, but want to anyone else's table. That's what this is. So that's the the whole period it varies based on the asset or how's that work on the whole portfolio? All right. So like say for instance, we're building a legacy center, which takes is about a year and a half, you know development or whatever the case is, okay, but we have other fix and flips we funded that are instantly giving us mortgage money points for You right now and then we might build or whatever later. So it's a balance of the whole portfolio that we have. So some assets are instantly making money and some assets are long-term Investments, but overall wants to hold fund is profitable. You didn't get paid out you're accumulating 8% over every year which is preferred meaning before we split any profit you get your eight percent and every year you were older a percent and then you get your share of future profits. So now when we stabilize the legacy center, our projections are will stabilize it in the next year two years three years tops. We stabilized at Legacy Center from our leasing model and raise that value based on a market cap rate from a 3.6 million dollar development to a 7.2 million dollar valuation. And we either sell it and Lease buyback or we refinance and pull both of our Capital out and pay our investors back and you don't mean and all that. We still keep the asset. So it just like it means it's kind of complicated. But not spend on your level of sophistication in real estate. But the point is at the end of the day is watch How to kind of simplify is like It's a long-term play for folks to be invest Capital One and shouldn't invest any money. You can't afford to lose. You shouldn't invest, you know in any investment, right? You're sure no Investments guaranteed and I think it's guaranteed standard procedures. Right? But it's for that discretionary income that money that we blow that we don't look right. So we blow hundreds on sneakers hundreds of vacation hundreds on sparkles in the club. I'm just one all types of all that are loud build or happy hour bill, right? We blow all this money. But what if we were to revert a lot of that Capital even our Christmas Valentine's Day and birthday money like our consumer money and we will revert that capital and be able to pull it together to do something awesome and impactful in historic for our community. Is that play right? So that's that's what everyone is understand. It's about us pulling our own Capital to control our own resources in a very transparent a very regulated a very sophisticated way and you know, you know, you know again I invested in a fund 10,000 others match me 10,000 some invested. Some investor 40,000 some invested 500 but it's about doing what's in your capacity. But understand that we're doing it as a social entrepreneur vehicle with Mission involve is not just a real estate fund like that's easy to do as a real estate fun. But this is a fun for us to be able to control our own dollars manage our own dollars and do it in a way where it's not relying on any one person to save us. I don't believe we should wait on Jay-Z or Oprah or puffy. It shouldn't be their obligation to have to fund the whole community and all should ship In the van are damn selves. That's a fact. What what's the demographic of people that you see in that invest in? Is it a millennial move or is there a certain age that you've seen as is very is very diverse man. I mean even ethnicities. I mean we have white investors Asian investors black investors, obviously many African investors in America, but demographic wise did there are I would always want to say 50/50 Millennial and whatever that other generation is bright. You know moms dads people have been looking for something like this. They whole life like cinnamon and Civil Rights Movement. It has been you know born right after Civil Rights Movement. They was part of Black Panther Movement a part of the 80s Reaganomics and all that but people have been looking for a solution for our community and who are doing well or wherever they're in her life and haven't had a vehicle or to the millennial who just wants to own a piece of apartment building for $500 and imagine that you can invest $500 and literally be a fractional owner in a 98 unit apartment complex plus commercial real estate and ice in fact and their life and So the the Tulsa fund has been around for a little over here like yeah. Oh, yeah, right and so you guys got off to a historic start and then but you had some issues that you beat with the feds, right? And we spoke about some issues with the first shot to my brother Chris Gotti That's not from Murder Inc. He told us about their issues with the feds how to beat the feds. So the reason why I bring this up is that we have to be you have to tell the full story a lot of times when highlight when you stories are told it's like know it but then it's like if you get exonerated that part never really gets told right, so can you talk about that a little bit as far as like the investigation or I don't even know what to call my phone investigation. But whatever the yeah, we called probe investigation subpoena, right? So we were subpoenaed by the FBI the doj, you know FBI and the SEC. I don't have an exact reason why my instinct is that all the Negroes that thought this was a scam why I don't know but I thought this was a Cam or Ponzi scheme and kicked up fussing and making YouTube pages and Facebook pages and really bashing this historic fun as for our community. I believe, you know that and other activity by people are making my face fake pages on Instagram and trying to PayPal Tulsa scams and all that. I think that you know likely put us on folks radar. I'm obviously I'm not the most conventional fund manager with with my background as well. But however the less we ended up on their radar and they subpoena dust for Documents they want to see over fifty thousand emails. They want to see our financial records They want to see our infrastructure. No. Oh, yeah the whole thing. So we start here you go, you know, here's the whole thing follow the money, right? Let's say follow the money and I won't say we beat the feds. I don't want to put it like that but I will say that they have been gracious and I believe fair with us, you know doing their job and after reviewing our emails that are viewing our financial records They ceased their investigation, you know, they reserve the right. To investigate at any time but they did seize their investigation, but they thoroughly looked into it and they didn't find nothing. That was I'm just saying I'm just saying to have fifty thousand emails. They had our financial records. Our audits are bank statements or bank accounts are whole everything and they ceased their investigation appointed as important. So people should know that right. Absolutely. I'm just no I don't want no beef with them. I think that if there was something super egregious or you know, any major infractions that that you know, whatever. I don't want to speak too much just I'll just say that you know, God is good. We've operated as fun and integrity smile Legacy on the line bro. I'm not going to be the guy that raised money from the community that Around for the bang like that's not gonna be my legacy. Like, you know, I'm saying I worked too hard for this. You know, I got a family looks looks up to me and many people around the community look up to me. We're just doing our best job and do something never done before is it gonna be perfect? No on the Trail Blazers were fears doing it. I don't have a blueprint, you know, is that like what we are doing our best but operate with Integrity transparency, you know the whole first year of the fund. I deferred my salary up to know to know personal salary, no personal compensation whole first year, although freaking deserve it. But um again, we just want to move right man and just like get our people to feel comfortable trusting each other because the reality is, you know, which is going to be one of our next campaigns. We're going to be challenging everyone you guys everybody to invest is that listen to it only takes forty thousand of us invest $1,000 to raise 40 million dollars. That's it. All right, like yeah diverted from somewhere else 40,000 was put up $1,000. We got 40 million 40 million is a 20% down payment on a 200 million dollar project. It's just not that hard. That's a fact. So what's what's your vision like five years? Like well, where do you wear a billion dollars in assets under management billion black dollars in five years in all kinds of different properties all kinds of assets communities hotels hospitals strip malls International funding is not met mind you I don't want to be the biggest developer in the world. Okay. I want to be a great fund manager. The goal of the fun is not just a direct then we acquire some assets where could we have great resources and relationships, you know within different real estate communities. We get good deals. But really we want to privately land and fund other people's deals. Like that's really my focus is like, okay you come with a project that you found in your community. All right, let's fund your project right you came with a strip mall or you inherit some acres and land you want to develop that. Okay, let's fund your project. So or you got a loan from A bank in the bank's willing to give you 80% but you don't got to 20% Equity. Well, let's give you the 20% Equity. Right? So the goal of the fun is not for Jim Morrison to build a bunch of real estate. The goal of the fund is to be able to really be the rich uncle For our community to be for all of us. Do I'm glad you said that because I just thought about that we talked about earlier. You guys are funding get you're giving out money now, we're not giving out but you you're loading really been from day one. If you talk like a black woman out of Lake Charles Louisiana came to us. She got approved by a private lender that was not of our ethnicity. They approved there for a loan on 14 units. She got our appraisal back the property appraised for 200,000 more than she thought then the lender came back and said, well, you know what we want. Bigger down payment I never heard it. Olinda should feel more comfortable about loaning you money if your property appraised from or right, I mean they went and try to get more money for a down payment. So she did it. She couldn't afford they were trying to really box her out so she couldn't purchase it. Probably try to go behind the door grab it from her. Yeah, she came to me through one of my mentors and we end up finding her whole project the rehab the construction acquisition and all that and now to date she has her 14 units still with a few hundred thousand dollars Equity. So how do people want to Contact you about the funding like just for the funding standpoint. How do they is they like older and yeah funding and if you want to be a partner with us, right somehow not a donations not a Kickstarter. This is an equity owner and a partner or to get your to submit your deal for funding or Capital Partnership. Go to Tulsa tul sa real estate fund.com. Jae-min. Thank you for joining us. Like I said, this isn't if this is something that we were looking forward to glad that we got to do this in real life. And once again ya gotta stop asking now, you gotta have somebody else that yeah, I gotta pick a copy and they did it. So big homie. All right, so you just used to spoke about that. But okay. So everything else. What is the the contact information for all of your other businesses and everything else you have going on social media and how can the people appreciate that I mean? I want to challenge every woman like you guys hurt me spit game here today. Like I know what I know. You know, I'm saying like I noticed up and how to translate and related stuff we Teach this very affordably very relatedly, very accessible in a j Morris and Academy again Inc. 500 top 10 educational companies in the country. You got to go to Jay Morrison as ja why Morrison academy.com and we have a brand new curriculum. We just created over 85 lessons on what we call the rbc's so like in school. They teach you the ABCs so we teach the rbc's real estate business and credit. So we go over everything from wholesaling Real Estate with no cash or credit to fixing to flipping to homeownership 101 we go over corporate. All strategies we over branding your business marketing a business exit strategy operations how to manage a higher your team we go over credit strategies personal credit Family Credit business credit credit lines credit leverage, like all that bird a whole game. We bust down it's a lot I literally was like, okay. I got dumped everything out of my head to put into the curriculum. Like I'm there every year we update the curriculum and I went dumb everything out that I have. My partner will Roundtree my partner Isaac Grace, we all put it together and I mean At curriculum we have the quizzes the tests the assessments are basic curriculum starts at a hundred ninety seven dollars for the Year, bro, like all that corporate veil strategy homeownership flipping holding landlording all that for 197 for the whole year like fraction of your community college and then we have another curriculum where you can actually get weekly mentorship called yet all that plus weekly mentorship calls career opportunities joint venture opportunities funding opportunities with us and that curriculum is for Don yourself. The year, so I'm like, I'm really giving a community game. I mean, I like $16 with like $30 a month or type of things. So, you know again Jim Morrison Academy, you can find us for Education. You want to partner with me and with us on real estate assets as a passive investor and partner go to Tulsa real estate fund.com and for just everyday, you know game inspiration motivation or whatever else you think I bring to the table at mr. J Morrison on all platforms. So that's at mr. J Morrison YouTube Facebook fan page Instagram. Of course, I'm just trying to think you LinkedIn. I am only thing team runs it I'll run it. So yeah, so you've befriend me it ain't me but LinkedIn as well Tulsa real estate fund has a YouTube as well and Tulsa real estate fund on IG that page is popping JMA. So I'm just really proud of the companies that are first and foremost before the companies. I want to give thanks and not in the cliche way, but thanks to God just for really my my testimony and stress testing me. You know my blood. God stress test me to make sure I was ready for what he had for me who We wanted me to be so I thank God for his grace and shout out to my wife as well holding me down and but also don't get just I'm proud of the companies we built man. Like this was no easy journey. I talked, you know, I'll get my bag and I talked my shit but it's my way of kind of just like replenishing myself. God pour out and I give so much. We didn't even mention the 63 free Corner classes. I've done over the last four years. I was always 28 cities 63 free Corner classes, even the legendary 24-hour Corner class here in Atlanta only and Abernathy which I'll be doing another one. So, you know, I'm putting in work but against all part of that initial Mission. I talked about Bridging the Gap between real estate and pop culture. I don't care forgot doing in the corner. If I got do it online. If I got to create a fun to do it for that have a school to do it. We got a real estate brokerage coming out soon and a bunch of other opportunities that we bring it to the public and to the people and we got the legacy center the black house the all-black building in East Point 30,000 square feet. That's for all of us Sergeant. You know the for the building with you all. Thank you guys. I haven't even really appreciate you coming on man. Troy and items. Yes out everybody on patreon.com bastoche on you. Leesia are proud to pay program everybody that supports that we say we have a five tier program. You can join at any tier has different features that each to we got new members again every week we get to shout out people. So shout out to them Kino. I'm old not saying I right and the Kia shout out to them and everybody that's been supporting on patreon and Shout everybody has been purchasing the merch my assets or liabilities here is doing really well and people keep supporting them and we got new merch like you said we are you leaving will watch what happens when people come on after they do the episode they become ey alumni. So now you officially part of your love that well graduated that's doing that and I told her to so every city we go to we bring shirts and we have searched from the cities. So shout everybody doesn't person's personal. For sure for sure and then don't forget by the time you guys hear this. I think it'll be two days left. So it's not too late to register for our free network me and green Chicago not 26 and we're having our first workshop and Brooklyn but it's also going to be live streamed all over the world. So make sure you register that and that's going to be 10 17 and the book tip of this week because we always have a book tip is your book. Yeah the Lord of my land. Yeah. Yeah load of Mile and make sure you check that out. And yeah, and you should be a landlord man be the Lord of your land as a fact as a fact So, yeah. Thank you guys for Rocco Another Life. We'll see you next week. Peace.

Jay Morrison has been a leader and pioneer in the financial literacy movement for over a decade. He started in the streets hustling. After being educated on real estate he turned his life around and transferred his entrepreneurial skills into the business world. He’s the CEO and founder of the first black-owned real estate equity crowdfund in American history. The Tulsa Real Estate Fund has a $50 million dollar market cap. Some of its assets include a 98 unit apartment complex and an office building that is under construction, once completed it will house office space, production studios, and classrooms. In episode 38 he detailed his journey from transitioning from the streets to real estate, he also gave insight and broke-down key real estate terms and strategies, as well as outlining the vision for the Tulsa Fund. Guest IG: @mrjaymorrison Book Tip: Lord of My Land --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app · Talk Money With Mesh Lakhani Podcast: On The Talk Money with Mesh Lakhani podcast, Mesh will follow paper trails, chat with experts, and break down complex ideas to bring clarity to the mystical financial phenomena behind your finances.

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I was supposed to say Shamar needs a good humping, but I guess we all need a good hump and welcome. It is Sunday to AfterBuzz. It's real house. As of Atlanta after show. It's the reunions Special Part 2 and I'm your host Hollywood lien and I'm with my girls. Yes. I miss Conversation Piece and maybe he's been so cold blooded. Oh my goodness, huh? Why she can't just tone it down a little bit count it down. What's up party people? I'm Erika Edwards, and we have a lot to discuss tonight. We have a fully loaded tweet section by Miss. Convo Erica's Conjuring up some news and we're breaking it down for you guys. We have a lot to talk about. It's a Continuation episode we leave off where we left behind we start off with Porsha's Journey. You know, it's interesting Porsche has had a fantastic light this season. I've never really been the biggest Porsche fan everyone always knows but she's really made me smile this season. I feel like it was a really good episode. 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Make sure you share. All right, let's get into it. Yeah, it was really nice to see Porsches Journey. We got to see the glimpse of Dennis, you know, Nene laughs during the Montage of the tattoos, you know. That's just what it's about Portia said she's mad though Spurs for a specific reason. That's because Kandi brought Jamie on the show. Let's talk about this Montage. Let's dip in a Porsche has little journey. I do believe Portia said what's up to that girl when she was walking up behind her. I do believe Porsha do try to start something though. That's the Porsche is even though I love her. So let's talk about this whole beginning that has to do with Portia. Let's get into it. Yeah, I'm Glad to see that her and Candy came to a truce because it was very Petty's no reason to watch something and then get angry about something that it didn't bother you before so I mean her bringing the girl on the show. She's not coming to get a peach. She's not going to be on there like Marlo so I don't see why I push it so mad one thing I will say this reunions. And even the season I haven't always loved Porsche, but she's Keeping it real. You know, I'm saying to me, I guess that's my little peeve. Like don't be on reality. I know it's scripted. I know y'all got producers but just sort of be authentic and Portia does come across. Maybe she isn't maybe she's not but she definitely comes across as real and straight up about what she's going through and it's interesting because I definitely feel like she came to that girl. Like what's up what you want to do and she was pregnant at the time. So that part was kind of interesting. Okay. So how she keeping it real with the whole Nene situation. You're going up to somebody saying what's up versus you and the closet like I'll know you're scared was what's up with that? I want to know what's up with? Yeah. Well the episode overall was it was? Okay. Obviously, it didn't really get juicy until we saw Nene's breakdown, but I do want to talk about the other side of it because a lot of good things did happen. Like we have to acknowledge the fact that even though there was a whole season, you know, I really love candy and hold dungeon thing, but when we looked at this flashback, I didn't realize that you know, that just recently happened the whole And was really about the commentary about Porsches relationship full so for someone to come out okay with everything and kind of okay with everybody and it made sense to me and I like to see that sort of aspect but bringing Jamie on the show. It would it pissed me off. I'm glad that it wasn't something that we still want to Harbor over those, you know? Okay, so why are they met at Nene for bringing Kenya on the show? You know, that's the same thing you bring people on the show. Everybody's mad about bringing someone on the show me. Any should bring Phaedra Back In Piss everybody off before you know, the tattoos taste just fine. You know, I feel like everyone was kind of trying to like give Porsche the moment it take accountability for the fight, but she wasn't really having that they try to bring up bringing a drinking wine while she was pregnant reaching everyone reaching. I don't even want to get to that sort of like level. I think it's kind of ugly. Well even said it was okay, but it was unnecessary. It's like Did she know that point in then consciously got a glass or you know how you're in your early weeks and you don't know for sure because we're watching it. She did know she was pregnant at the time. She hadn't told anybody because you want to wait I think till she got like three months or later before she told the girls. So it was interesting because I do remember Kandi and Todd specifically sort of putting it out there that Porsche was drunk and doing all this other stuff and we all knew because we talked about it on this show as well that she wasn't drunk for sure because she knew she was pregnant. Time she said it was a mock. Tell someone there was a lot of dark colored drinks. Hello Coca-Cola. So it's fine. I don't really want to get that into it. Obviously the baby's fine. She's fine. It wasn't really something that we want to dive into. The one thing that we do know is that candy won't be a godparent. Well before we go into the next topic I want to say thank you for making this the ESP in a TV talk. We really appreciate you. We just want you to continue to comment like subscribe. Give us a five star rating on iTunes if you Was I know you do and thank you so much for tuning in each and every week because we love it here at AfterBuzz. We do we do comment and comment after the live feed as well so we can see them later. Yeah, we do have some sort of talked about during the show. So make sure to like tune in sometimes we change our minds during the show. You know what I mean? We're breaking it down as it happens, you know Nene and Gregg Journey was interesting. I don't want to live my life unhappy that statement alone speaks volumes because just based on that statement alone. We wouldn't Want her to live her life on happy no matter what was happening. But what the one thing that is clear is that she is definitely going through something. I call it hurt. Some people call it selfishness. Some people call it in different no matter what you can clearly see this woman is going through something and she's lashing out. Dr. Jeff is the therapist what that's crazy Greg suggested it. Obviously Nene said, you know, he wasn't my choice. Ace but they are still in separate bedrooms. This is really something that we need to get into and ignorance led him to this situation. This is what Greg said, you know, we don't use the word grouchy anymore. But you know Nene's still kind of lags at Greg and I feel like there's still a spark there when they were sitting there even though it was really uncomfortable and it was not a good situation Greg did make her laugh at one point. I caught that. I don't know if anyone else did so that made made me happy because Nene loves when Greg makes her laugh. I thought that not though the whole time he was out there. It was super uncomfortable and bad and not good and it was not in a good situation. Let's talk about this whole Nene and Gregg situation start with dr. Jeff. Dr. Jeff. They definitely need counseling. I'm glad that couples try to work it out by having counseling because if you don't have that mediation, even when his argument between friends or coworkers or any some You need the other side to just let you know where you're coming from and to see that outside mediation exactly that you may need to work on certain issues. So I think that's great that they're doing that sounds like you've had experience in counseling. Okay, but you had a but you've had outside mediation. Yeah. Okay good. So she's a fan of it. It's been working for her. Fan of it. However, dr. Jeff has like Atlanta Allah because he's on like Fatal Attraction zone so many different shows and I think MiMi because they showed a clip of it mean. He's not a huge. Dr. Jeff and I feel like if you're gonna have a therapist, it should be a therapist that both parties kind of respect and I feel like she's not really feeling that you're deaf, but therapy is good and they definitely need it. For sure. Yeah, and what do we think about the separate bedroom situations? I think for now it's fine. I wouldn't want to be around nimi. This point in my life. She's been very negative and I wouldn't want to be around Greg right now other than taking care of him. I think having him have his own room is perfectly acceptable for him to have his own space. Sometimes you need to just close the door and get away from everybody. But that being said Mimi is taking care of him and she said she will always be there for him. So sometimes I know we're watching and we're thinking like she's doing this and that at the end of the day though. I really do believe her when she says she's gonna take care of him no matter what, you know, Oh, it's just not going to do it with like I had a smile on her face. It's going to be that unhappy Mimi Greg said Cynthia will always be like a sister. That was very interesting. And then Greg also said that he told me me don't come visit and it clearly hurt me me a lot. Let's talk about that situation. It's a lie. I mean, sometimes you need your space. They clearly had issues before his sickness was, you know diagnosed so This is just compounding everything and to me seeing the tape roll back. I didn't really see a grouchy Greg. Like I mean, he says some like little things but it wasn't see everything. I see everything but I'm just saying from what we saw. It didn't seem that bad. Yeah. Yeah the whole Nene and Gregg thing was really tough because Greg really always comes across as sincere and really almost loving towards Nene and she still comes off as cold. And that was hard to watch because Nene, you know, because Eddie asked them both like do you want this marriage to work and Greg clearly said I do I want it. Yeah and Nene was kind of like yeah, I might say no. She was like don't push me and all this other stuff. So she is really coming off like she's ready to file. I mean, that's and that's getting she's that like tone and that kind of approach. I'm going to agree with Porsha. It's not cute like people are sitting there pouring their house hearts out and you have no And no reaction. You're not giving anybody anything that's fine because that's like you but it's getting old and people are really getting sick of it. These people these days at watched Housewives. It's different just like you guys have evolved and changed so has the audience back in the day. We loved it when you wouldn't budge and winning give into them and you would just be NeNe. I said what I said we loved it, but I think the audience has shifted they want a problem and a resolution. They want you to give them something when Andy is looking at you like what's wrong like he's not supposed to break Newt reality. He's supposed to remain neutral and bring out the best in the cattiness and everybody but when someone isn't giving you anything even he was like, what is your freakin damage? Let's move on. We are going to get back to Nene, but Tanya's here Marlo is here title changes Bravo editing, press talk. I don't know Marlo came and the denial started immediately because no one is a friend Nene's confused. I don't know Mimi said she was going to have to have Tanya stick a peach up her private. Yeah, I can't even say it. I don't like crazy. What is this? Seating arrangements because that's everything Marlo is right there next to me is Jamari and Eva are at the ends of the couch swimming hoping to get a piece well their seat and then they were barely on the edge of the sea like almost almost off. It was like, can you hear me and see me like I know. The thing Nene saying that Eva and her the only reason they're there is because of her and even says no honey. I'm here because I'm is a sterling. Well, you must definitely trying to hold her own and we'll get to her in a second. But for now Erica does have a good point like Marlo really came up in there claimed her spy, but Shamari was quick to point out like girl you've been on here for six seasons and we still don't know anything about you. That's kind of true, too. So a lot of things happen back and forth, but the one thing that Marlo was given us was a little bit of Truth. She was saying yeah, I do say that shit. Yeah, I don't care if I don't mean it sometimes my mama has two different kids. I'm Patty Loew like I'm Patti. I'm Patti. So if you're going to be like I'm Pat even okay, you're owning it. I like it. You know what I mean, but it was definitely an interesting Dynamic. What's up with anemia saying no friend thing like girl. What is she is really Out For Blood everyone off and you know isolating yourself is not good because you got to film with somebody. So hopefully we come to a resolution in part 3 because we didn't get one this part exactly. And I mean I have I mean, you know can discuss it in the news, but I have heard rumors about NeNe saying that she wants Phaedra. She even wants Kim Zolciak to come back because she don't have nobody to film with so you need to like step down and if this Job that you want. Yeah together. I can't believe that her and Cynthia are falling out over this. It's so like they've gone through worse. May I remind you Nene totally called Peter a bitch and did not back down from It For the Longest Time. Peter was Patricia Patricia, like look at how he liked he ends up in jail for check fraud like come on. Yeah. Sorry Peter trash. All right. Well, you know what Mimi is the oh gee, they're all here. They're all coming for her. She's like look at that whole couch the whole couch is kind of for me how she handles herself and she can just take it people say she can take it but I don't know if she handles it. Well, I mean people say, you know, you could tell she's in her feeling and paste it. Yes. She's in her feelings, but she can't handle it. I know but I feel like someone that can't handle it. So well as when you can't get to somebody and you're just like I just want to see you sweat a little bit like I'm not saying mean he's sweating but you could tell she's in her feelings like she's upset which is enough for me to be like, why are you so upset? Why you ask Are you mad exactly and it's a game, you know, I mean just some extensive game. You have to learn to play. You know what I'm saying? You can't get you just how you get eliminated. We want you to come back and if you turn the audience because really the audience isn't feeling her right now. Forget the other cast members we the audience is not feeling her she's coming off as mean and cold and that can get you cut. So what if she was just like I had a breakdown like she said I had a breakdown and I'm just like obviously sorry for what I said, none of that was me. None of that what I really meant I was just upset and pissed off and I still am hurt and I'm still pissed off and I had a bad season and it's not going to be good until next season like thing. I know it's going to ride it out. But I'm a real G. Nobody had a problem until they saw the footage like even evil. She was like, I don't see a problem in my baby shower until after like he's lying. How could you not feel the negative Vibes that Nene was putting out in that tiny-ass hotel room girl, please. He was not keeping it real. Yeah even was fake on that. Yeah, totally. That one more episode to hug it out because we got to have a reunions where it ends up. You know, you get it together. I don't know man Instagram all you want to but you better hug at the end of the reunions. I don't think it's gonna happen. Honestly, honestly, well, we get into the fun part of the episode Shamari. She was like the fun fresh fresh. He's fresh breath of air right Marlo Obama King Mohammed VI and every alcoholic will be yes. She was Yes from black to blacked out. I love that. That was hilarious. She was Little Italy and it's okay because she's just a mom letting her hair down once oh, she doesn't have a drinking problem. She has a problem when she drinks. I loved it. I think even Andy came with the receipts for Marlo, you know, like the Zara gift cards. I'm dying over that $70 are a gift card. Shamar is fashion came up and we all kind of agreed but the one thing I I want to say and he had receipts for Marlo are her comebacks that good. She used the bad breath being with everybody. Let's talk about Shamari and you know a little bit of the Shamari Marlo thing and the gift card thing. Like what do we think about Miss? 808 before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. 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I need to be part of the damn show girl trying to get a peach. That's not the way to go. But it's Shamari and this whole drunkenness. I think she does have a problem and you have to know your limits especially if you're tiny and petite like that like that's no excuse. Maybe the problem is she just didn't know her limits, but now she does and she's cool. Umm, how do you know which one she's ground? I think she has a problem. I think Marlo is coming from a real place. And on this I'm really drunk too though. We saw the footage. She couldn't even get into a room Marlowe drunk one time. How many times have we seen Shamari drunk Shamari also has a DUI. So if you're to the point where you get caught by the police, how many other times are you driving Marlo? Hell yeah. She just couldn't get up off the floor be cutting people. But it she just do you eyes are different. Yeah, I know it's crazy. I don't know that I feel like saying she has a drinking problem is going way too far. Like I would get drunk every time I filmed with these bitches to okay, me too. But are we going to be throwing up on people that happened one time? So remember as I thrown upon people plenty of times Kim, I'm Beverly Hills to me any person who's coming out there and they're consistently drunk. It usually turns out that they have a Problem. Will Kim Zolciak? She's a red Solo cup came from Beverly Hills. Remember? Okay, Richard. I love him. I love him. I think he is going extra. Yeah, but the drinking well whether she's extra not she brought his are a gift card because she has manners. What do we think about Marlo's comebacks? Are they really that good even did when the first round we heard the consensus from the couch, but the bad breath did come up. Like this does everyone really have that much bad of breath. I was Marla just is that her go to where it's going to make some because it would make me feel self-conscious. If someone was like shut up with your bad breath and be like, oh my God. Sorry, she's definitely taking that as a go to but I feel like she has like dig up information on people and then that's how she dug up the information on Eva after the homosexual thing. That's what she does and then she comes hard at you. But when she has nothing she goes to the breath it comes to reads Marlo is a little ghetto with it. And I don't feel like she she's not slick. You know what I'm saying? She's not. Sheree we've seen people really read on Real Housewives of Atlanta and Marlo tries and Marla's very funny, but I don't think our reads are really all that. Great. Yeah. Well, I don't know she might get a peach. You never know. I don't know what you got to do a peach apparently got to stick it up your private parts to make it happen. But we moved to the bye week party, which is the epicenter of the drama friendships will never be the same after this producers have stepped in maybe voiceovers. Remain. I don't know what I saw a little bit more of some extra clips tonight, maybe like three extra seconds, but we saw Porsche like looking back at her ribs. And then we hear that little like take my mic. I didn't see her like mouth but I do believe she said that in the moment. We're obviously going to find out about that next episode. But for now, I love that they showed all of marce Marlo's instigating ass throughout the entire closet. Scandal like these showed it play-by-play of her basically telling everybody to go in the closet. I'm glad Andy did that because Nene hasn't really acknowledged that he other than just acknowledging that. Oh, I didn't hear it until I watched the episode. Well, then what don't you have anything to say to her? Like he shouldn't have been telling people to go in my closet. Now. Look what's happened. Like you didn't say anything to her. So maybe she is a labrador Marlo is her only friend and she's got it. He's gotta take Somebody well, no, she's cursed that Marlo a couple times. Yeah, absolutely friends and support. It just wasn't working with Nene all the history. It doesn't matter. She said if they're not genuine, they're just going to get shut out and that's when Portia goes off and I mean off and it was good. It made sense, you know, like everything we've gone through you're just going to throw that away everything that we that you've ever said to me. That was like, Genuine it's not real. Then. You're just going to say f has all of that that shit is hurtful for you to just be so nonchalant about everything and we were that's when you know, the script goes in order and that would be mean he's perfect timing to be like, you know, what I don't know like I'm sorry for my part. It got ugly. I reacted the way I reacted. You know, I'm a hard bitch, but I just want to get past this like I did not like feeling setup. And that's going to be the end of it. Like I'm always going to stick to my guns about that. I felt shut up, but still like have no resolution to say that no one is genuine like these people like you've been to these peoples weddings you've cried with these people people have prayed for you. What do we think about this? It's deep. Yes, very deep. I feel like Porsha definitely is a genuine friend like her, you know, bring her in family-wise praying for her like that's very personal personal and so it's like when someone You know has ups and downs and you can't forgive like forgiveness is key. You can't have this black heart and not hear people out when they're being genuine to you like it's wrong. I think yeah, it was hard to see Nene not at least backslide a little bit and give any of her position. She could have been like okay, you know, I do I'm hurting or she could have said something instead of no response. I mean that was just crazy and just a horrible look for her. Yes. She knows that giving them nothing Cuts them deeper than any dig or Shady comment that she can say and right now she's playing Hardball and but when your boss is like really like really yeah, right. It's like she doesn't realize how crazy is making her. Look. It's make a hard look even way worse and they are looking gang up on her. She looks crazy right now. Thanks. Just telling that. No, you look crazy actually and I'm like, are you sure about that? Like y'all look crazy, but right now you specifically look crazy. Everybody is lowering the walls. That's when it's your turn to lower the walls or fire up but to give nothing it really just puts everything to a halt like where do we go from there? If you have no reaction to it. If you have a bad reaction to it, at least we can play off that like she is not backing down. She said what she said but to not give us anything especially after like a big old read / speech / come from the heart. / I'm not getting off the couch. So I say this I thought Portia was totally Valid in her little speech it worked out the best for her like it. I mean even the koi fish. Stop jumping at that point. They were like, oh you gotta be real you got real up in here. What do we think about this before we go into news and gossip before we wrap? What do we think about just mean you shut down overall. Do you think it's helping her? Oh, no, it's not helping at all is not helping the situation and I don't understand. Why doesn't she want real friends? Like what about to the Nene stands that are like, I think Thing she sees that Porsche is getting a more turnaround from the audience of just how her love story has come and she's fighting for her spot. That's what it is point blank period she doesn't want someone to be total total her or just on her playing field. She wants them beneath her. I mean what's scary is that Nene was the top of the game of Housewives and it feels like we're watching her demise like in living time and it's scary because I do. You feel like she's fighting for her spot, but she's not fighting smart. Yeah, and I find the right way fighting in a way that she's going to win and it's like she is like do we need to send you a text Sweetie we've a season without you you can't get cut even though she doesn't believe that to be true, but she could be and at this point, I think the audience would be okay with it. And that's the part. That's scary. Yeah, like even you gotta have some sort of closure, you know what I mean? Knocking everyone off the pedestal and adding other people like Tamar is not going to work. Mars is going to be like another Eva someone that you're bringing in agreeing with you on everything. That's not what we need. We need someone that's going to be like calling you out on your BS and we need someone that's going to respond to that and be like, you know what it's not BS or you know what I have been on something totally different that you'll never understand and this is why I've been at but you're not giving us anything. You're not giving us nothing. Although if you all were to add tame our Phaedra and Kenya amazing show. It's never going to happen. It's like fetch on Mean Girls like stop trying to make it happen. It's never going to happen. Where do you guys say to people like that can use coming back? Because I'm always going to be team Phaedra. I don't care what you say. I love Kenya. I love pickles in the jar and everything. But yes, it was Apollo gets out. Boom. We got the whole new show so that's what I say to you guys. Jailbird. Yes, they come home. A house. Yeah. Alright, let's get into news and gossip. The fans are crazy, man. And so while we were watching Real Housewives reunions Park to Porsha was taking PJ Pilar. Are we gonna watch the video? Oh we are. So yeah, so we can't see her face. So I think the plan is to finally see full on Pilar where she looks so Oh cute from here. They're kind of doing like the Kardashian thing. We're going to show like the baby but we're not going to show her face until like the right time is right. Yeah, we kind of like card. Sometimes it takes babies a little time to get cute. Sometimes you don't come out Q you think I wake up like this also like cardi B. I think sometimes you know, if you're in that position make your money get you know, yeah, like I'm premiering the baby's face without a check exactly exactly. So, alright, so here is a news because really mostly is you all are aware, Cynthia. Nene have been doing like a media Tour all we kind of explaining the demise of their friendship, which is really not news to any of us here. But what is interesting is I'm one of her little mini trips to the media Nene says which is hilarious that she's the one who invented reunions. So she said that she was like I'm in shock is the first season or whatever. She told Andy, why don't we have a reunions? Yeah needy get off yourself. Okay first you're the glue to the cast and To Bravo Now you invented reunions to might be kind of right about that though because Real Housewives. Orange County was the first franchise and they have a reunions sure. They had reunions those first years. I mean, no, I think I'm gonna have to look back on the tapes back. I'm gonna let you guys know next Sunday because you know, I'm the historian and I need to know that one but I'd like it is sounding familiar that Nene did say like early on in the interviews. I got suggested the interview that suggested the reunions thing. We need to come back and talk about everything. It sounds Vaguely Familiar. I will look and validate for everybody. Let's find out you guys cuz I feel feel like she's you know puffing herself up and I love Nene, but well, maybe incentive all been walking around doing all sorts of press tours Tonkin all sorts of things. They're all talking him bashing everyone bashing all the co-starred. It's just like a Non-Stop thing. We're seeing it on the show already. So it's just getting a little bit old especially now that it's wrapping up. Y'all are still going hard at each other like everyone needs to relax. Okay, let's make up so we could see you guys have some happiness on the show go on a trip together get drunk. Be like the Housewives of New York City a lot of tequila and hit on each other and touch each other. Yeah, people trying not to get cut because we've heard rumors that there's going to be a shake-up on Real Housewives of Atlanta. So we'll see who will make the cut. Let's do tweets with Conversation Piece. So our first tweet is from Colleen. Oh, we got the sea the sea just Holly which everyone comes up first Kali bees. Mommy 42. I love me some air. NeNe Leakes, she literally had the whole cast come at her and she didn't break and then we have a funny tweet. That's that's the one I just read. We'll do that one land Powers. All right. So Anderson Daisy Porsche for real on the reunions is everything she is so funny and tells it like it is love her. I love the social media comment and yelling out the window so porches getting love right there. And then we have another Tweet from Lila see wine Gregg and Nene relationship is all on the Rocks child. The tension is thick is truth. It's so crazy. I don't know if I would be wanting to stay with Nene if I was on National Television talking about I wanted to keep it keep it together and she was like, maybe I'd be like, you know what? You need to cut that shit out and then another tweet from Leah underscore 17 Nene is great at doing three things pointing the finger at others always deflecting and never can take what she dishes out. How is one of the oldest cast members on the show the most immature people as you get older you get more immature don't you know, especially in the Bravo world and this was my favorite one. I just bust out laughing when I saw vomit getting with this picture of Marlo. Looking faded honey. She can't even say vomits Hing. It's a mess. Imagine. Yes. Can we see the photo of Marlo? See Marlo's re-ups scroll down a little bit face. Yeah Mama King and she was really out there. I feel like she delivered for Marlo. You know, she gave us a little Hardball, but she also kind of pulled it back and acknowledge some things that she did. You know and I think she even like was telling me me at one point like bitch. I want an apology and he was like, all right, bitch. I apologize. But you know, I really mean it. You know, like I feel like Nene could have done that with everyone else you could have cust everybody the F out and still being like, you know, what y'all are really pissed me off this season y'all thirsty as your thirsty ass your switch-hitting ass and your site's wouldn't blow wherever the wind goes and and you hot dog Queen like girl I can't with you. Y'all piss me off this season. I felt really set up but whatever like you know, I'm gonna get you all back. I don't know. I've never gone through so much that you don't even have time for petty arguments. I feel like that's where needy Nene is because she's going yes in life. But this is a show this is a job. I want a paycheck. I'm coming back next season and we've seen your acting girl. You need this job with love. I mean that was like, yeah. I don't know if that other shows going to really work out so that I think she needs a break. I mean not because cuz of you know anything like we don't want her in the show. She needs a break because she's going through a lot and she's breaking down just take a breather. Maybe let can you come back done this before she stepped back before when she got really ugly. She stepped back and came back full force. So maybe that is exactly what she needs. That was the reunions special part two. We do have one more reunions special to cover with you guys. Hopefully Nene will give us something let's do some quick predictions. Do you think Nene is going to give us anything? Let's predict about it quickly as much as I want and hope and pray. I don't think so. And I think so. I don't think Nene is going to back down. I think to this point. She's still not speaking. She's still in followed everybody. I think just a wrap with her and Jim followed 90% of the cast and she never followed any deferred in the first place. So yes, I don't think she's gonna bet, you know, I don't think she's gonna hug it out as much as she needs to and my second prediction would be there's going to be a shake-up like I want to say, I don't see Tanya or sham. Re really in my opinion coming back. I think they're going to really shake up this whole cast for next season because you know, I think if they can or cannot count on Nene and people don't want to film with her. They're going to shake things up Shamari would come back. We've seen enough of her that we need her back. Yeah, I think me I think shimmery will definitely combat. No, but she can come back. I mean, I'm not totally sold on her. But as far as Nene, definitely she's definitely not going to come to a resolve with anyone. I don't think but I just know how the other girls are they are forgiving. So if Nene comes to them later on this summer, or you know, right wow filming is you know on Hiatus. I feel like Makeup, that's very nice tile but I don't want to see that. I want to see you lower the walls on film can't you just say I wanted to give us an acknowledgement on camera like say you're sorry like makeup with people. If you can call Porsche out on TV me like you cannot act like this when there's cameras. You have to behave yourself didn't you choke somebody? Yeah, but did you see the footage? No, you did it. So just like be real with us. Just tell them that they pissed you off and they're all a bunch of fake-ass bitch. Bitches, but you know what when the time is ready you're going to go to lunch and discuss it with them. But for now, you're still pissed off give us something something. Give us something to talk about even Bonnie races it in her song. Yes. What else do we have in a lifetime? Everyone's saying Tamar Tamar? I want to see me. I want to see Tiffany New York Pollard. Everyone is going crazy. 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Part 2 of the reunion is getting heated and Hollywood Lian, Miss Conversation PIece, and Erica D Edwards dish on the aftershow. We discuss if shamari has a drinking problem, what’s the problem with Nene, and whos should come back. The news and Gossip section is fully loaded and we have some juicy tweets press play. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA: Real-world dramas whirl around five privileged ladies from Atlanta in this soapy entry in the 'Real Housewives' franchise. The Southern belles include a single socialite, an aspiring country singer and the wife of a professional basketball player. The Atlanta housewives continue to live their fabulous lives in Georgia's capital city in this incarnation of the popular reality TV franchise. Relationships, a staple of the "Real Housewives" shows, take center stage as usual as the ladies' love lives experience ups and downs. The sassy women's entrepreneurial spirits are also in full bloom as they juggle their personal and professional lives, along with their busy personal calendars.

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I this is a this is a great show as we were teasing up top. Like we got a lot to talk about with the Avengers. As trailer that came out less than 12 hours after we hosted last week's show so frustrating but we're gonna talk about Once Upon a Deadpool which I got a chance to see last night. We're going to talk about the Spider-Man far from home trailer that is not online, but they showed at a Comic Con in Brazil. So we got some details on the movie based on that doctor strange Venom to dark Phoenix had some updates. The Punisher get some Punisher stuff stick around for that but let's get started with our lead story and game Trail. I want to just I got to watch it again. I've already watched like 30 times can say but I want to watch again with you guys because it's always more fun to watch with you guys and with you and me together. So here we go am Anthony roll that tape. Yeah, okay, I love this and like I couldn't help but looking at this like that all the circuitry and like oh the nanotech is like there wasn't enough left to can only form half a helmet. Yep. Such a nerd. Oh And then you've got the the Benatar floating through space rescue is more fun than it sounds and she's I have so many questions is that so this seems to be probably very soon after the events of infinity war and there's a lot of debate about how much of a time Jump we're going to get and this sort of who knows it's hard to say. Well, I just hate seeing Tony like this because it just hurts my soul. Roll, it was interesting. I was reading some comparisons online like between Tony Stark and Iron Man Tony Stark here and like the difference between the narcissist. Oh, they dusted the log out. Oh scarecrow Thanos straight out of the comic books. Yeah still on his hand, which we'll talk about a little bit. Once we're not dealing with images all over put so and then you can see sure. Yeah, very briefly the person that's the people missing Sabbath or oh my gosh. That's really that really surprised me Seth or south or yeah. I mean, I like Ronan. Yeah and we'll talk more about this in a minute. Well separated they are from each other because it feels like you know Carter I like it. We're getting a tour of the characters in the string. Yeah, because I don't know what I'm going to do without. That's such Captain America wine. And then my favorite moment in this trailer a lot of we're just go watch this. and that in the trailer that logos fine great get it out of there because I love how I'm sure we all have the same face on when we were watching this part. We're exactly like cap. He was man. Yeah, I don't think we all had the same face because there's nobody who had as wide a grin as I did seeing a man pop up there the yeah, but I was just like why how I do have to say so, I mean you guys know that I do. Trailer reaction video so I of course did want to this trailer and I was looking for it and I didn't know the title of the movie and I saw that it was end game and I was like what so when I finally saw it, I was like, oh my God. Okay. So what does this mean and I was trying to like process the title while watching the trailer and I mean it didn't take away from it at all. I know so everyone on Twitter was also like Steve Rogers is crying crying. I was like, what what all But yeah, let's let's talk about the title because that was the first thing that I saw to I think the first because like on the west coast whenever there's a trailer drop like this, I'm always asleep when it happens. The first thing I saw was I picked up my phone. I saw an Instagram post from Kevin Smith with the with the with the poster and I was just like endgame. Okay. What do you think of that title? I think it's it's good. I think we were trying to you know. I've been trying to figure it out for a while. Now. I know a lot of people are talking about how endgame is a certain it has to do with chess not a big chess player, but it basically means that you sacrifice some of your players. Well the end game is basically when you're down to like the final stages of the game. So at some at that point guess there are usually pieces that have been sacrificed but it's that you're like, okay, there's only a few moves left before Checkmate. Yeah, that's the endgame and the and the word end. Game as they teased has been said in the movies before multiple times. It was obvious as most notably when dr. Strange said it in the last one. We're in the end game now, but Tony Stark actually said it in Age of Ultron, which I think was really cool. And there is a conspiracy theory in me as soon as they announced this. I'm like, that's not the title. We heard all those rumors that they Mark Disney's trying something new at this trailer. There's gonna be some crazy and somebody had some after I had like the I've been thinking about this for a while and I saw some people on Twitter also like having the same thought the trailer was a trailer nothing really crazy in it unless it's a trailer that lies about the title of the movie. They're putting out. We'll see I thought the thing that they were trying that was different was that you literally saw no action at all. It's no one's Moving that quickly even if it means a teaser that's not too unusual. But I mean, I guess like besides the fact that it's obviously a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie like dull we're going to be watching it. But like if people don't know anything about it, you're just kind of like, okay like that was nothing. Yeah, because they've already sold a billion dollars worth of tickets like that. You could put out nothing but a black screen and trailers and you'd sell enough tickets. It's but that would to me because to me they were so worried about spoilers and game we talked about this last week and game feels not spoilery except that like it's the end of like a big thing. Yeah. I mean, it's not that it doesn't fit but it feels like there's something it feels like they were over blowing this spoiler nature of the title for it to be endgame. Okay, so you're thinking Endgame is not the title. I think endgame is the title if I'm more logical conclusion, so we want to know from you guys in the chat. And of course if you're watching this later, let us know in the comments down below. What do you think the title is do you really think it is and game or do you not Zaya Spiel is like nah, I'm pretty sure it's the title. Let me have my theories you guys do for fun. If there's a conspiracy. Yeah, but let's break down the trailer while you guys like it. Tell me how dumb that. Theory is but yeah, so it man that you want to bring up. Yeah, so I just literally grab Stills just like in order in the trailer and I want to talk about because like we had Tony Stark like adrift in space in the like on the Benatar can go to the next one. I like that. He's in the guardianship. It makes sense because they would it would have been the only like flyable craft there. I'm cure. I'm so curious about the circumstances though because so left on that planet you had What just Tony and nebula was that really it? Yeah, so like that's correct. And that's its own interesting interesting thing like Tony and space. Yeah. Well the thing is that like he's already it feels like to me it feels like he's been there for a little bit longer than maybe we think just because he's already gotten to that point like obviously he's seen half the people, you know there I would say even more there. And tighten disappear get dusted. So look, he's already in an emotional space. That's like whoa, you know your kind of traumatized but he's also out of like everything. Yeah that there's like enough food or something for like not that much are out of food. There. Are they have enough air for four more days or more days. Yeah, but they're already out of food and water so him and nebulae are just sort of floating through space. I don't know. Yeah waiting to die. I guess there were I mean I assume that on Titan there just wasn't much fuel. They just had to go with what they had no time and I guess like nebula probably left her the spacecraft that she like crashed in because we see her walking. Yeah, she's a she I believe she's on board. I had to pull us an image of the the logo being dust. It's so funny that who's beautiful effect. But yeah, it was just like it's like, oh we're gonna punch Right in the heart again. I mean even at the end of infinity War they did the same thing. We're like, whoa, that was way too soon. Yeah Thanos the Scarecrow right out of Infinity Gauntlet. I love that. I really poignant imagery here because it's like he really did hang it up like he completed his mission. What else has he got to do? I just I feel like he's been the space of like cool just you know snapped in half of people all living creatures are gone including The animals guys had just want that to sink in and I feel like he's not going to be like cool now. I'm done. Now what I think there's going to be more of a threat. I mean even I think I actually disagree I think what this says and you can go to the next photo as we talked about this lovely car. I think this is this is like this is thanos's and game in his mind like he's done that I rest was his words. Yeah. Really? I think he doesn't need to do anything else. Like if we look at that image of his hand like he's not in his armor, but he's he's still got the gauntlet on I think it's fused to his hand really because remember it crumpled at the end of the last one. I think he is forever. Like I think the gauntlet is trapped on his hand and I think he's just like walking that planet like he's just living a Farmer's Life. Life, maybe the gauntlet is kind of like the ring and Lord of the Rings and also like in Harry Potter, you know how they have the horcrux. So it's like the longer he keeps it on maybe some of the crazier he gets. Yep. You heard it here first, if you're welcome, let's bring all these fandoms. That's it. That's a cool Theory. I think he honestly is taking a break and it's going to be until the Avengers bring the battle to back to him. Through whatever means they're going through because I the ways that I see out of this is either them taking a gauntlet back and undoing with a second snap. Yeah or breaking the Soul Stone open. Can they were can then undo the snap with another man Theory? It's the once you have all the stones like you can control reality and bend it to your will so in theory like and if our theory is correct and all of the people who got dusted are not or not dead, but are trapped inside the Soul Stone then it would just be breaking it or using it to send them back to the universe. Yeah, I like that. So it'll be interesting. I love that we have built up and then sad Steve. It's the next photo that I asked. Okay, and he shaved his beard. As far as we know unless it's his time traveling. I love how many people are upset by him shaving his beard. I get it. But like I wonderful they're great. Yeah, but like what does this mean? Is this a time-traveling thing situation here? No, I think he was just like he's not on the Run anymore. He's back in the light and time to like, you know, I'm sad I'm going to shave now. Yeah, or he he feels like he has to be brave and forward-facing. Like he grew the beard when he was in his more like Nomad like days because he's not Captain America. He's back in like these in the background hiding so he doesn't need to be presentable. But I think now that he's I assume he's back at the compound. So I have to think that after these events the sokovia Accords are just like ignore that we don't have time for that. We got way bigger problems also like we honestly don't know what lies ahead For him so this could be his last film and to kind of see him. Look as Captain America as possible just to end it. You know, I like that. Yeah. The Hulk is Bruce Banner is he's going to be messed up by this because if you talk about blaming yourself imagine like he's like if only the Hulk had shown up only I could get the Hulk out. Maybe he could have stopped a nose. I know that he's looking he's just like staring at these people that are missing which it's really quick. But Sheree is in these in this photo as well as Scott and Peter they know that's gotten Peter likes gotten Peter. It's interesting because Cherie we didn't see dusted and the Russo Brothers minor like interview type spoilers had said at one point that she was not dusted so it's possible that she's just in hiding. Yeah TBD, but they don't but the Avengers don't Whereabouts on Sherry and yeah, I mean down there. They don't know like an earth. They don't know where Peter is exactly. That's yeah, he's missing all the obviously I feel like maybe Tony would have wrecked radioed back that Spidey was on the ship. But either way he's missing in like yeah, I have to think that if Aunt May is around she's just chalking it up to him being dusted. Sorry I have to cut Dad because ink and TV says something brought up a very very good point Steve's beard got dusted after the snap according to internet memes. I mean, I'll save you money on razors. That's funny. So yeah, I think it's interesting because we don't we didn't see a lot of you know these smaller characters. Quotation marks get dusted or not get tested. So we don't know where everyone is. Yeah, there's so many people it's true Thor is just looking super pensive because like he should have gone for the head down for the head Thor and then this next photo if we bring it up, this is one that people have been debating about because it's nebulas hand. Yeah touching someone shoulder but there's been debate about who it is. I assume it's Tony. Mark I don't know how it could be anybody else. They're on a ship together in theory nebulas going to meet up with everyone at some point when they like eventually get to wherever they're going and people are like oh but look that look at that face looks like pretty clean shaven. It must be it must be cap. Like Tony Stark's fairly clean shaven in the earlier scenes in the trailer. So I think it's Tony. I think this is them like maybe right after long Launch or it's just I think it's Tony. I what if this person is not alive like not that they got dusted obviously creepy, but like what if they're dead and she's just like bye. But the head seems pretty upright. No, but like I guess it's space you like that like, oh, you know, I don't know. I just made that. We don't be morbid Amy. He's the we know speaking of Darkness. Let's talk about Ronin. We got our first look at Clint after all of this and a his you get see that classic that comic book Ronan look in that back in that behind shot. And then sad sad boy, undercut Clint. Yeah, okay, if you watch The Leftovers, you'll understand this reference. This is my first he got totally nor der stood. I think his whole family got does it? Oh, yeah both kids his wife. And yeah, I guess it's three kids because I think his wife was with last time. We saw her was pregnant. So he lost four people. At once definitely saw it all go down. We look at his eyes just like he's in so much pain. Yeah, and then I brought up a go to the next slide Anthony. This is Ronan from the comic books, by the way. So you'll see you see the sword. I'll be really interested to see if they give him none looks see him. Yeah, that would be interesting. Give me some nunchaku Hawkeye. I know he's wrote it out. It's easier to just call him Hawkeye those quads good for him. Yeah, but then we cut to a shot of girl Peggy. Oh my God. In cap still carrying that around but this is the interesting speculation because there's so many rumors about time travel. We talked about Kang and I don't think tanks gonna pop it in this movie not realistically but there's time Stone in play if they get ahold of it and go and do a time do some time travel nonsense. Like if this is your cap to 10 years of moviemaking doing some kind of time travel tour through Up as a plot device is a really tempting thing to do. Would you want to see that what you want to see time travel brought in knowing how messy and like but if you time-traveling broke like the time stream is like knowing how all that gets kind of complicated. Would you want to see it? Heck? Yes, because I love these two together and if he can see her again, I would like that. I don't mean just Peggy. Well, I really Peggy you can give me any Haley I while you want to give me on screen. I'm all about it. Yeah, but I just um, do you want to see time travel uses a plot device? Sure. Why not? There are so many stones. I think we should play around with them all. Yeah. The only thing that makes me nervous about the time travel thing is it like is it gets messy? Because if you go back and you change something mmm, then it's like, okay. Well, how much did you how much did that ripple effect but like changing that can that could be the thing that like sets up and triggers a mutant situation or a For situation and give you an easy way to like bring those characters in without too much retconning or anything like that. Yeah, you know, I feel like if anyone's going to do a good job, if you know, they do incorporate the whole time travel aspect then yeah. I feel like they can the Russo brothers would really just knock it out of the park and I'm not worried. Yeah, it would be a way to defeat Thanos is to literally go back in time and change the events. And it Undo It undo. Does all the dusting we'll just have to see yeah one theory that I saw is that the world that the Avengers have not told the world what happened? So the world doesn't know about Thanos. I mean, what should be interesting? Yeah, I don't know you're hesitant about that as in terms of are you hesitant? Because you don't think the Avengers would lie or it just it kind of reminds me of Harry Potter and then it's like, you know, they kind of like they can't tell them everything. So I feel like obviously people have been dusted. So they've got to know that something's up. So I just don't know how much they shared and like, you know, if there's there's a president in this universe. Hmm. Did he get dusted? What about the vice president knows I 50% it's not like the leftovers. 2% went away 50 percent of the population. So it's it have to be chaos. But the question is at that point it is it helpful to tell the world. What happened or is it not And that's the that's going to I guess the debate in The Avengers Minds is at this point. Is it worth telling them? I don't know chat. What do you think? Well, what the heck would they tell him? I'm so sorry stuff happened, long story short half of the living populations gone. Like I mean what the options are tell them exactly about Thanos or just be like stuff happen. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know it's and it'll be interesting to see how the It's all handled. The politics of that is like what part of why I love the Love The Leftovers is the exploration of what do the small people do after something like this like the scientists that are trying to investigate it the politicians. So in my mind, maybe I'll go and watch The Leftovers as like inside the MC. It's just the super depressing part of the Marvel Universe. Oh Charles Lee in the chat says the secretary secretary of state would notify people since he's connected to the Avengers if he even knows if he's so because I tested raw and well one of Ross isn't dusted but also Ross knows that the Avengers were probably involved but he wouldn't have been privy necessarily to the details. Yes is all that went down to Makanda. Yeah, so it'll we'll just have to wait and see how that all goes. So let us know guys in the comments or in the chat like did Like this trailer ours is is it more? Are you more excited less excited just as excited any are you more excited now with this than you were before? I mean if I could possibly be more excited like I actually I am. Yeah, I guess that's the thing is it's like my excitement level was already through the roof. So it's pretty hard to raise it up. But this this trailer it looks good. And so did it did it raise it up, then it's probably the same level that it was but only because like we got so A few things and then like Scott Lang coming at the end that so that's the thing is I didn't know what Scott was going to do. But when Scott line pops up at the end of this trailer, wow, a pizza chef. It was like I love that Scott maintains a sense of humor. Hmm. And so now let's talk about your theory the theory that you heard. Yes. A lot of people on my trailer reaction video. We're saying that They think that that's not Scott. They think that he's a scroll to what end I guess is my question and you know, what's funny enough though. Is that some people have been saying the same thing in our chat right now, so I don't know I think maybe they're just worried that that's not him especially because what's going to happen in Captain Marvel, we don't we do now we have Scrolls on planet like it is it is always going to be a question of who we are talking of like is that person that person And I don't think he's a scroll mainly because I think that the use of the quantum realm as a means of one like potential time travel and to get to Thanos. I think the quantum realm and knowledge of it is going to be vastly more important to saving the day and a scroll version of Scott Lang would not have that knowledge. Yeah, so that's thing a scroll can take on all of a person's character. Character traits and everything but do they take memories? Actually, I think they might I'd now I'm trying to remember all the storylines and like do they get your memories? Well, here's something trippier some people in the chat have been saying that there's like an archived like word that it says archived somewhere in the top left. Yeah. It's on the screen. It says top left it says archived so I don't see anything. That's a lamp. Do you guys see what does that say? What are those a it says Strat strategy? Oh archive. It is a very specifically say that it's not an archive. I know but what if that's the thing that they're like hardcore lying to our faces. I mean, that's the other thing is that you got to say all this trailer with a grain of salt because the russos love to fuck with people. Oh it does. Say archive you guys are right that does say archives. Maybe interested. It's like they're making us think that that is an archive, but then they're like no it's not but what if like, you know what I mean? What if there are just a whole bunch of steps ahead of us? Yeah, which I really don't know what that means. Is it gonna catch you guys? I didn't see that one and I've never heard of that until our chat right now. Thanks guys. You're the best. No, I don't know what this means though. Ya know. So I well it's something that we've always seen is trailers using two scenes and stitching them together to misdirect you. Well heck scream with Drew Barrymore. They made they you know made it sound like she was going to be the main character of scream and then they killed her spoiler alert. Sorry guys, if you haven't seen it by now, but within what the first like ten minutes So maybe yeah, this could all be fake what we're trying to come down to like we don't know how much of this is real. We don't know how much of this is actually going to happen in the film or not. Yeah, so that's terrifying. Yay. I'm really excited for this movie II don't think he's a squirrel but only time will tell let's wait till we see Captain Marvel and March and then Infinity. Part, I'm sorry to end game. I have to stop calling Infinity War part to Avengers end game in April. I think 2019 we double-checked. Yeah, right up. It's a hundred thirty three days 10 hours 22 minutes 20 seconds. I have a countdown 19 seconds. Thank you. All right guys before we dive into the rest of the show. I want to take a moment and thank our sponsors for today's episodes. Hit that air horn. And are Arn for the sponsor for that our sponsor? We are sponsored today by The Fabulous Loot Crate Loot Crate has all kinds of wonderful things that you can get. You get all your nerd stuff in a single box delivered right to your door, you can get up to as over a $45 value in each crate and it's less than $20 a month. 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If your I have a MC a list or if you have like movie past if that's still works, I don't even know but if you have like a subscription thing, I think it's it's a great way to spend an afternoon. If you have like kids in the like 12 to 17 range that like you didn't want to go see that were like I should keep them from seeing Deadpool because it's too far. Go see it take them to that. It's not that clean. What do you mean? It's so so they've got it under the R rating. They even go through some of the like here's what you have to do to get in our re to get a PG-13 rating instead of an R. If you like, it's jokes because it's Deadpool's he's breaking the fourth wall in every moment, but like and they use some of that very creatively, especially with the stuff with Fred Savage. It's fun, but you could see it on see it on cable. Um, it's nice that some of the profits are going to charity that's one reason to go out and see it. But in terms of just purely like do you want to spend your $15 on this not really if you can see if you have if you've seen Deadpool if you can watch it at home check it out. There is my is my personal take on it, but it is fun. If you're just looking for something to see at a theater. Yeah. Well my friend she saw and she said that she actually liked it more than dead pulled to she has an eight-year-old daughter and I asked her well, would you take your daughter to see this one? It's just like well, no, so that's what you're saying 12 to 17 maybe but if you're older than that you want to watch it why not? There's still plenty of violence. Like it's still Deadpool. It's just they have the blood is off screen and stuff like that. So like you still don't want to take a little kids to see it and they do play with strong language and like play with strong language. Like I don't want to so that's some of the jokes are how they like play with like what they can say what they can't say, so I don't want to ruin those for That sounds enjoyable. It's like I said, it's fun. It's just not take multiple people out for fifteen dollars a ticket to go see a movie. You've already seen necessarily fun. Yeah, you can schedule see it on basic cable. This will be the version that airs on basic cable. And yeah, it's for that. It's great. It's way better than just like cleaning up dialogue and putting something on TNT. Yeah, you can now show this version on airplanes or wherever what's nice is like you can go watch it if you want, but if not, Not you still have Marvel stuff that you can watch. Yeah, and yeah it you can still go see into the spider-verse this weekend after work till 11:30 tonight. And there's no actual midnight screening. So I'm the wait till the weekend. Thanks a lot AMC planning committees. There is a really fun. There is a really nice thing at the end after the credits after all the seats like just wait until the end. If you do go see it in theaters. There's Some Stanley stuff that will break that will make you cry. It's really nice. It's really it's really simple but they showed some outtakes from his Deadpool 2 stuff. Well, that's just it's worth goes going to see it just for that. I mean again like you it'll be just as effective on the small screen. That's my that's my thing. Like whether you're if you're weighing spending the money or not you can you can skip this one on the big screen, but I do say check it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, go see spider-verse again this weekend speaking of Spider-Man. Yeah, let's talk about Spider-Man far from home. So we're not going to give you all the details, but they did show a trailer at Brazil Comic-Con that there's a rumor it's going to come out next week rumor it like for everyone to watch but the showed it off at Brazil and it gave us some some plot details. About Spider-Man far from home set apparently commented. Nothing about Infinity War just ignored it entirely which is an interesting tactic which I think you just kind of have to do because otherwise you just spoil it like we all know Spider-Man's come back. Yeah, no one's under any illusion that he's dead. But rather than like address it they just ignore it. Okay, I respect that. Yeah, so the details that we did get and so If you don't want these spoilers want to wait for the trailer for the movie. I'm warning you now hit that little like skip 30 seconds ahead button or cover your ears. Wait, that's kind of scared me. But you so spider. So Peter is going on a field trip or a field trip a like school trip to Europe. Okay with net and MJ and he leaves the Spider-Man costume at home intentionally does not take it with him. But once he's over there. Nick Fury gets to him and he's like, I need your help kid. I don't know if he says that that's all it's all like but like Nick Fury does find him and then there's apparently a sequence with Jake Gyllenhaal's Mysterio helmet off fighting alongside Spider-Man trying to take down Hydro man who no one knew was going to be in this movie until this came out. Oh my God. Hydro man being a sort of like in terms of power set like think of the Sandman but he's got but its water. Yeah. So Mysterio, the the rumor is based on this is that he's going Mysterio is a like an agent of some kind like he's not just a special effects Guru. He's like actually a Like somebody who like is working maybe with Nick Fury and Murray Hill. We're both in this movie. So there's some cool stuff coming from Spider-Man far from home. Yeah. I'm excited about this. Of course this the Mysterio and him fighting hydro-man could all be illusion that mysterious putting on them. Nothing Is What It Seems it's all Mysterio lying to you we don't gosh, I feel like there's something beautiful about being a Marvel fan but also something that like you have to have a lot of strength, you know because this we go through a lot guys like we don't know if this is all real fist like will happen if it's not we don't we don't know anything I just love the I was able to say all those sequence of words like hydro-man and Mysterio and Nick Fury and like all this stuff and it made total sense People that are listening to this podcast. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for listening. But yeah, those are the details that we've got. Does that do the are you excited for like the inclusion of like hydro-man and a potential Spider-Man Mysterio team up? Yeah. I I'm curious to see the trailer like I don't cut like I am not sure if like what people are saying is true like, okay, so they saw the trailer what you just told us. Is that true. Yeah, that's like journalists that were in the room. Are like this is what I saw. This is what we're reporting that we saw the so they're the they're probably going to clean up the trailer won't be a hundred percent what we saw going to be mostly what they showed their I think partially they do this as a tester of like, okay. What do people react to What should we enhance which we kick back and then they'll put that that trailer up presumably next week the 18th is what people are saying in the chat, although it seems crazy that it's not being put with spider-verse this weekend. I mean, we don't know it's they keep they could surprise drop it. It seems the time unless you don't want to throw people off. Maybe it's at the end of spider-verse like the way they showed the spider-verse scene at the end of Venom. Yeah, that could be a new thing that Sony's trying to do with all their stuff and I like here's the next one watch our stuff. Please see our Spider-Man movies that don't know Spider-Man. Yeah, I'm game for whatever they give us. I just kind of want the trailer now right now. Yeah. Yeah get on it Sony. Yeah, what are you doing? Dr. Strange too so we can lift this color comes up. Dr. Strange, too. Has confirmed its director and maybe its release date. Yeah, I know. So this was just released. Obviously this week this this is all according to the Hollywood Reporter. The script is supposed to be written next year, which is just like 19 days away and the plan is to begin production in Spring of 2020, which would then kind of lead it to a may possibly 20 On release which will go pretty exciting. We will of course see Benedict Cumberbatch Benedict Wong as well. I just realized those are both Benedict's. Yep. I just realized that when his name is Wang Wang and he plays Wang, it's wonderful. This is all so trippy. Yeah also, You sure if Rachel McAdams will come back but she's likely to return which I would say so yeah didn't get enough time to shine in doctor strange. And Rachel McAdams is a phenomenal actress. So I would love to see what else she could do with more of an arc like more to do in that role. But it also like I want her to not just be the thing is that character is sort of just there as like a love interest necessarily it'll depend on what plotline they want to do. Yeah, and so Apparently the search for a writer to write the script is about to get underway got it. So whatever that means because that might mean that Scott Derrickson doesn't co-write it. Yeah, Scott Erickson. I don't think we actually said his name Scott Derrickson is back to direct the same director as the first one will be back anything. You learned that there were there I had issues with the first one. It's like on the lower tier of my Marvel rankings thing is like all the Marvel movies are pretty high in like General rankings. But in terms of like where it falls in my list Doctor Strange is pretty low. I felt like the plot didn't the effects are amazing the way they but like it didn't do everything it needed to in terms of it was a little too World collapsing and not enough character-based like cuz casillases motivation was very weird for me. So those are the things that I think they can clear up is I'm hoping for a Barren that this is Baron mordo the no more magic. Thank you. A that they teased at the end of the first one. That's what I want to see in this one. Did you have any plots in mind that you wanted to see your you're just excited to see more of it. The thing about Marvel's that I can count on them to always like either make me really happy. You're like, you know feel a lot of really intense feelings. Thank you infinity War. So I'm game like I'm literally just in it for the ride, and I know that it's gonna toy with my emotions and but I love that because that's why I love Marvel and I love that like we got to bring all kinds of characters. So I really like I just wanted to be good which I know it will be. I would like a little bit more Rachel McAdams in there. I don't know that I necessarily sniffs just necessarily need more of her I would but like I like her as an actress and if but if they're my point is they're going to use her use her effectively first. She wasn't in there that she wasn't in this first one. Yeah, but like I said, I think Baron mordo is the ripe villain for this because I love the idea of a magic user trying to you. Magic to get rid of magic. It's a the the cannot lie, like moral and ethical questions that are going on there. That's the type of small-scale story like it's still big there's still obviously large consequences, but it's much more character base as opposed to there's a cross dimensional space being who's going to destroy the entire world and is offering make something to cosatu silius to motivate. Him to do it. It was a little muddled. But Baron mordo has a clear motivation and that's what I'm hoping that they see if I could recommend a writer for this project. I think some people some of you listeners may know him may be familiar with his work. His name is Matt key. I think you're good. If you're looking for a writer, who knows Doctor Strange pretty well. He's he like just find them on Twitter at that at the Mac key. I think he's I think he'd be open for I Drop what he's doing. It's a busy guy, but I think he could get him. Okay Sydney. We said you could get him we should start a hairstyle guys. What would you like a tea for strange Mackey confirms Mackey confirms he's available for dr. Strange. Anyway, you said it. Yeah. I mean, we really don't know. I don't think he contradict me speaking of sequels. Yes, Venom to was confirmed by by the writer of the first Venom Jeff Pinker who apparently is not at this point not going to be involved according to him. It just sounds like this comment reads sort of better like on the page where it when he's asked. If he was asked about the sequel and he's like it's definitely happening, which is the first official confirmation that we've gotten but it made 800 million dollars the global box office Sony's doing a sequel. They also set up a sequel they already cast Woody Harrelson in a four second roll the gorgeous wig that I know everyone loves it. I yeah we've talked about for I hope the sequel's are rated. I think they should be but They probably what they'll probably keep it up each of the training, especially once upon a Deadpool is doing pretty well in previews. It pulled in $900,000. Yeah, like crazy for a movie that is already out. You can buy it on Blu-ray for like $10. But and then what Amy you were the one that found this quote about Tom hot weather Tom Holland could show up. Yeah Pinker replied without revealing anything. I'm not allowed to reveal its not impossible than in a future / upcoming Venom movie Spider-man will play a significant role. I love it because when people when someone says something like that people like he's gonna be in it. Oh my gosh. She we don't know basically what that says to me is like his I'm not I wasn't a huge fan of the Venom. V but I love the song The Eminem. Of song called Venom which you've obviously heard us, you know saying here quite alright that jammed. No, I won't now. I mean the movie it's just like it didn't do any of what I wanted a Venom movie to be based on what I connect to about that character. They keep calling a rom-com it wasn't if they done the wrong Tom I would have been there. Whoa, I would have been all about that romantic comedy version Venom any day. That's not what they gave us. I think what they're saying with Quote what he's like basically what the implication is here is if you look at that movie, it doesn't do anything that would necessarily step on MCU continuity. They kept it contained enough that you could say that that happened in the MCU and move on from there. That's why part of why I think they kept everything inside of San Francisco, which the only thing we've done in San Francisco is Ant-Man the WASP. Hmm res both both Ant Man movies. We're in San Francisco. But nothing crazy happened there that would prevent Venom from being poked, like like retconned into the MCU. It would be pretty clean if they wanted to. Yeah. I mean, I actually I did really like Venom. I'm curious to see exactly like if they're going to change things, you know, obviously if we're going to have a different director or a different writer some things might change, but I don't know I feel like it's going to be interesting because It did do so. Well and I think it surprised a lot of people to see what Liberties they do take like if they want to Veer off a little bit, but obviously not into I'm see you. Yeah. Well if to see what to see what they do with Carnage in the sequel since that's what I mean. That's what there's what they're doing or change that wig. I mean with more screen time, they'll spend more money on the wig. Do you have a real quick? This is just an update on X-Men. Take Phoenix Simon kinberg the director was talking about why it got pushed because it got pushed like a entire year and the basic update whether you whether you take this at face value or not. He said it's not it there were rumors that it was because Sophie Turner was busy with Game of Thrones or because Disney got bought and that was that was causing them to make major changes to the script and all kinds of he said the only reason it got delayed was effects the effects were taking Longer than they anticipated and it's not a thing where like, oh, well, it's going to take an extra two months. Then you push back two months you push back two months and now you're up against something in really states that you don't want to be up against or you've or like it's just a bad time of year. There's all kinds of reasons. So it became a thing where according to him Fox I guess now Disney sees it as enough of a summer tent pole that they want it as a summer movie. So they may we wanted to keep it as Summer so they pushed back an entire year then giving them plenty of time to work on effects. Here's the thing. Like I think most of us, you know talking about this for most of us listening to this. We were not in that space. You know what I mean? Like we're hearing all of these things of like, oh, well, this is why and I think it's easily for people to be like, oh just get it together and like I get it but I also want it to be good. So if this means they're going to push it again, you know like that. It's it's most definitely Coming out when we were first told duh, but I just wanted to be good and I understand effects take a while. I get it maybe you know bring in some more people so that it can get done but like whatever that's show business that happens. Yeah. I'm still my own reservations about this movie has nothing to do with the effects of the release date. It's more just like, all right, let's finish up this these Fox X-Men movies so that we can MC get some mutants the MCU. Oh, yeah, because I've heard some amazing pitches that like totally changed. My perspective on mutants in the MCU because I originally wanted them to be separated and somebody gave me a pitch. That was so great and such an interesting take on the war on the real world affected through this stuff that it was. Yeah make that want to see that someone like it was a hectare Navarro a Geek and Sundry and I were talking about Hector's been on this program. If a couple times the past and the idea that you could use like because the big question is oh, but there's people with powers all over the place like what that's why would people hate on. Mutants well people in the real world hate on groups that are totally the same as people that you respect all the time. It's very real for the that hypocrisy especially today is incredibly real so to use mutants to talk about that and the like well, why do you like Captain America but not beasts like what's your like? What's your problem with just there to they're just both have powers? Yeah. Why are they different to you? And forcing people to deal with that and put that Dilemma on screen could be a really interesting take and I got to have all credit to hectares now because that was not my idea but it's a perfect way to overcome that that or use that issue and make it the Forefront. All right run along. Let's move into Marvel TV time. Oh, that's right. Brought my guitar guys. It's okay. Hello, if you watch me do air guitar, it's so obvious how much I don't play guitar strumming is right. I was just like I kept going. I'm like all right at all the big story. Well, there's two there's two there's two weeks or so. The interesting one that I want to start with is there's an update on the Netflix situation with the cancelled Daredevil Iron Fist and Luke Cage series that apparently according to the contracts that Disney side with Netflix. They are not allowed to To use those characters at all, whether it's in you cannot like the sun even talked about whether they're rebooting or starting with a new actor anything. They are not allowed to use those characters in a film or TV series until 2020. Yeah. So and like there are some rumors that like you never could even like do things to like push that back even further, but that's no reason for them to do that. this sort of puts a I guess here's the thing 2020 if this point like if they were going to try to there are it's only like a year of pre-production and then a year of production and then it's out so you weren't going to get it before that. Anyway. Yeah, but it does sort of put a damper on those. Oh, it's just going to jump over to Hulu. It's going to jump over and Disney goes by Netflix out on these kinds of things, but we're probably yeah, we're probably not going to see these characters for a couple of years the very least but we still have daredevil on like we still have these. Oh, yeah, they're still there. Netflix is going to have those in perpetuity. Yeah, because when I first read this I was like wait why because obviously like that's heartbreaking. I don't like that. I feel like we were all doing such a great job moving forward like all of us because we all had something to do with it which we did because we were watching it. I just feel like we were such a great momentum especially with you know, the Redemption I would say of Iron Fist and the second season and with us season 3 of daredevils, so freaking good. Yeah that I was really bummed because it's like why would you take something away? Way right one it was like, you know and to really know that we won't have anything anytime soon is hard but at least we have them right now on Netflix and like you say it does take time to make these things. So 2020 will be around the corner. My I had a thought that like could be a really cool way for them to utilize these characters and maybe even keep the actors around because it's tough to do a new series with The original series on another platform and things like that, but I was thinking that maybe this is a way that maybe they start using Disney plus to launch some like basically a big screen version of Marvel two-in-ones which like you do like you have like the things like, oh it's the thing and mr. Fantastic and it's a good or you have Captain America and Iron Man like as the the titles of those books like yeah all those like to character LED like miniseries you could do like Spider-Man and Daredevil and you do like you get because it's the Marvel. It's the Cinematic team heading up Disney plus you can bring in some of those big screen characters for these like little things like they're doing low-key and Scarlet Witch in the vision and then pair them up with like one of these things like you could do a Nick Fury and Luke Cage series like just because but you just call it Nick Fury and Luke Cage four-part miniseries. Series and you just get it done or two to our made for streaming movie kind of thing. I'm just really curious. Like what does this really mean for the future of these characters? Like, you know, like I said, we had just such a great momentum that like what the heck is this going to do? I mean, it's a damper like the this is sometimes the business gets in the way of creative don't like that. Yeah. Well, it's what you got so the truth is like because especially with this probably not going to see any kind of momentum or movement on any production on any of these Netflix series except for the two that are in production until at least this contract expires in 2020. So you probably won't hear about anything. I'm sure that Kevin feige and Disney are like swirling with ideas of what to do. Yeah, but they can't move on any of them for a few years. We'll see you as worried as I am about, you know, keeping all of the excitement there whenever We do get something obviously, we'll just like rush to it. So it'll be fine. It's just kind of like selfishly speaking. We just want more stuff now that's good already, you know, well, you still got season 3 of Jessica Jones coming, but before that you've got season two of The Punisher and we got a little teaser of that. I don't know if you guys caught this it just came out Netflix put out a little teaser trailer of all. Of their shows coming in January and we didn't know the punishers release date yet and we still sort of don't but at the end of this trailer where it's like, oh you got unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt part season, whatever part 2 and you've got this show coming Lemony Snicket's coming like all this stuff and then at the end it's like, oh that's everything. That's everything's coming. And then Anthony hit it with that trail. This is what we saw at the end. It's like oh trailers done you got y'all Cajon close your browser window as move forward. Whoa. What's that what's going on guns some intense car van bam, and that's it. That's all you get. Oh, but it's enough. So Punisher coming in January and then you had a picture posted by Jon Bernthal which just like a little it looks like you took a picture of a screen. Because you can see the little lines but he's got the full skull regalia going and he's just Punisher and get in there punish wearing it. She hurt but yeah, so I'm curious have you guys in the chat or excited if you're looking forward to season to season one was a very good very dark show. I'll be interested to see what they do with with with the second season and it'll come I'll bet you they're going to drop it at random. I bet you we won't know until it's out. Like they'll do a Beyonce thing. They've tried to do that with season one. Hmm. If you remember they were planning on doing that. They were going to at New York Comic Con that year they were going to show episode 1 to the fans and then oh by the and one other thing they're going to do that and then be like it's online right now. Yeah, but they didn't because of some unfortunate real world shooting events. And that made that make the Punisher really hard to take in a context of but they were very aware of it show is very aware of it as well. But I think they're going to try to do that with here with the Punisher season 2 is just like we're telling you it's coming this month and then it'll just show up on your cue one day. I would love that. I love it when Netflix does things like that as a fan. I love that as somebody who talks about TV shows and has to plan things and get ready. And make like rundowns and all that. Please give me some warning. I don't need heads up Marvel. Oh god. Let's ride the Wave A lot of people in the chat are pumped Zeiss Bilu. I think season two's can be great and gritty. Yeah, like people high-end computer. Yeah people are excited about it. And I think it's gonna be great in January sometimes. Yeah. Well, so stay tuned for that. We'll talk about that. So once it does drop see it, like I said season one was was a really I think it was a really good show. It wasn't my taient kind of show personally. It's not the kind of thing. I chase. Usually I like go actively try to watch that doesn't mean that it wasn't good like it absolutely was and that's part of what I love about Marvel Comics. And now that they're doing with Marvel on screens like TV and movies is like there's a Marvel for everybody. Yeah. There's you can go to if More comedy inclined like me you can watch Thor Ragnarok 80 bajillion times and always be laughing and if you're more of a you want something intense and dramatic you can watch The Punisher and they're both Marvel, they're both amazing and they feel completely different. I love that and if you just want to like some kids style laughs you can go watch Marvel Rising, which is wonderful. All right that or so we're gonna have to wrap it up now, but before we do and you want to give some So some quick shout outs to our fantastic Mary Marvel lights. 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Hello and welcome to the foxy property chat pod cast I'm your host today Jake and it has been a little while or a long while since my last podcast but I'm back and today. I've got a very special episode particularly for those who are looking to build a significant home staging business. And in this case when I say it I'm talking about a million dollar-plus Revenue business and I don't think that there's actually a lot of those in Australia or at least in their home staging industry. So if that is your ambition listen closely if it's not you'll still get a lot out of this chat. It's actually my first guests from outside or based outside Australia. So International podcast, it's Melissa Mauro from Rave home staging. She's based in Jacksonville, Florida and Melissa moved to Jacksonville to start her business Rave home staging completely from scratch around about six years ago, and I'm going to let her share some of the numbers around her business and the growth that they've achieved over that fairly short amount of time. Melissa is a regular speaker at some of the industry events in the US and I'm told In other countries, not Australia yet, but we'll look at that in the future. She recently gave a keynote at the International Association of home staging professionals conference bit of a mouthful and I broke down a lot of that talk when we spoke earlier and after the dive deeper on some of the key messages that she she and her thoughts on the industry some of the things that we covered how she thinks about marketing and her focus on putting out educational content how she's changed her pricing structure and it's something that I've not seen in. In Australia, and she's done it to ensure that price is never an objection again from her clients. So most in the industry would like to have that where other Home stages are going wrong in her opinion by using what she calls pretty talk and the one thing that Melissa would change in her business. If she could now we did have the the connection drop out halfway through the interview, but hopefully with the magic of editing you won't even notice as I said, there's a lot of great stuff in this chat. So without dragging it on any longer, please enjoy this chat with Listen, all right. Well firstly welcome Melissa. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. Not a problem. And you're joining me. I'm sitting here in our warehouse. It's 8 a.m. In the morning in Brisbane. You're joining me and I think it's five o'clock where you are. Tell us where you're based. Yeah, so we're in Jacksonville Florida and I am actually home. I came home because our warehouses a little noisy at this time of day. So I am doing this from home. So you may potentially hear a dog barking in the background ha ha I've got signs up all over the doors so that Team knows that I'm here according. So hopefully they keep quiet for us. So what I usually start by asking my guess what they were doing before they got into their current staging business, but it's a bit different for you because this is actually your second staging business. So how about first we start with what we're doing before you got into the home staging industry great. So I was a manager for a real estate office. So I was the office manager. I gave Karen instruction to a lot of the realtors that In our office, I managed to look at all their contracts and make sure that they had everything done correctly and would often help them with things on MLS and prior to that. I actually worked for a real-estate office in recruiting. So I was out there trying to recruit agents for the company. So I've been in real estate in one form or another for quite a lot C over over 20 years now, I would say and I think that's probably going to be a couple of things where we talk about where we've got very different. Real estate Industries for those that sitting in Australia and don't know what MLS is. Can you give me a quick snapshot of that? Sure MLS is our multiple listing service. And that's basically when an agent has a property for sale, they will enter the information online to the MLS and other real estate agents can see what properties are available. And then that information is also typically fed to sites. Like I don't know if you have them over there but too Zillow and realtor.com and truly a places like that where individual people then can see what houses are for sale and often their searches will start there, but it all begins with the agent putting their new listing in to a service that sort of spreads that information out. Sure. So for us in Australia, it'll be realestate.com and domain.com probably the two big ones so similar just a different different set of sites over there. Was there a particular moment or was it a kind of series of events or what was it that actually made you decide to leave that prior role in the real estate office and move into starting your own business. Sure. Well, I actually really hated my boss and my real estate office. I found her to be a completely unethical person and I hate to say that but that is the truth. And so I need dreaded going to work every day, even though I actually loved my job and at the time there was a TV show called sell this Yes, and I loved watching that and I found that I actually could tell them what would actually be better choices than what they were making at the time. I had grown up in a family where my mother was actually a professional faux finisher and my aunt was she wasn't an interior designer but she had considered purchasing interior design franchise and things like that. And so I kind of grew up around a lot of the Homemaker decorating kind of background. And and and I kind of make the joke that when I was growing up my mother like to get married and divorced a lot. So we sold a lot of houses and moved a lot. So there was the constant that and then when I got married which was I was 19 when I got married and I'm still with my husband and he was in the Navy we moved 12 times in 15 or 16 years of service. So again, it was buying and selling a lot of houses. So it just kind of became ingrained when Show was on I found it fascinating and really believe that I could actually do that for a living and that I mean it's not a is uncommon story. But at the same time there's a big jump between working for somebody and starting your own business. Was that a scary kind of transition? It wasn't I've been also have had entrepreneurial seeds my whole life when I was in elementary school my mother who had been an ad Specialties at that time had on her own business. - and then as I got older she owned her own fo business faux painting business that she'd always had that in. I'd like she would give me things to play with and inevitably I would find myself selling them at school and I've never had a hobby in my life. I don't think that I didn't find some way to turn it into an income generating source. And when I was a stay-at-home mom with my husband a Navy, I would create crafts and sell them. This is before online. So is like a lot of crap. Shows and craft booths and things like that. So I've never had a hobby that I didn't turn into a business. So having a business was fairly seamless. I was fortunate that my husband made enough money that we didn't need the income. I had been a stay-at-home mom until all of my kids went to school and I really only went to work because I was bored as my I'm not a very good cleaner and house maker. I'm a good I was a good mom, and I enjoyed that part but once like the cook when it's it just came down to cooking and Cleaning I was done fair enough. So give us a bit of context about drive home staging which is your business today your sit as you said your second home staging company. So any kind of numbers that you can share to give that context a number of has a stage per year level of stock employees Revenue anything like that that you willing to share sure. So we have 22 employees right now. We do typically anywhere from sin 7 to 10 vacant stagings per week. Then equal a number of D stagings. Universally we can do up to about 20 jobs between the two a week and we very commonly have the calendar very full. We do this year. We're on target for 1.25 million in gross revenue for the year. Last year was our was our fifth year in business and we capped out at just over a million dollars. So good steady growth. We actually could grow faster, but it's a matter of being Be able to say profitable in the business and make not have to put more money into the business to buy more inventory. That's a conversation. I mean firstly congratulations. It's a, you know, a great achievement and such a significant business. Obviously, it's something that a conversation we have a lot and look the home staging industry is probably a little bit newer in Australia. There's certainly been people or businesses for quite a long time, but it's definitely the last few years like a lot of Emerging businesses starting up and so the conversation of how do I grow my business and invest in inventory and be able to do the work that's coming in at the same time as remain profitable and be able to afford to actually run the business. So it's one of those conversations and I kind of stayed over over and over is that growth costs money and also know when you're starting a business you don't appreciate what that means until you know, you're a couple of years in and and it's a lot of the time it's about that controlled growth and and knowing what What growth you want to achieve and what that's going to cost and had a balances with as you say the profitability side, right? I think that if I had enough Capital behind me right now which for us would probably be about another quarter of a million dollars. Then I could probably raise us from 1.25 million to 3 million in about 18 months, but I don't have that quarter of a million sitting behind me. So it's it is about the sustainable growth and still making a profit. So I've chosen not to in the in the five and a half years. We've been in business. I've chosen never to take a distribution from our company. I do get paid a salary, but we neither me nor my business partners have ever taken a distribution. We put it all back into the business and that's what has fueled the growth. Excellent. I'm going to change text a little bit. You recently gave a keynote speech and you're a bit of a speaker and you're well-known for those that haven't seen go and have a look at or Google Rave home staging. You know the kind of come across you I think on Facebook and through some of the Facebook groups and I can see that you put out a lot of videos a lot of content, which I'm going to ask you about in a second. But this is a one of the things you do is a lot of speaking and the recent keynote. I saw at the International Association of home staging professionals conference where you were kind of reflecting on the growth of your business that you just mentioned into a million dollar business. There's a few things in their particular that I really was hoping to get you to kind of talk about because I think they really resonated with me and probably with a lot of my audience. So the first one was in made a comment that when you think about marketing you think that educational content is key. So can you tell me practically what that means for your business in terms of you the content that you're putting out and kind of why you think that way sure so I'm a big fan of Gary vaynerchuk Gary Vee. I don't know if you've ever listened to his podcast you speaking to an I'm a convert. I'm obsessed. Yeah, so my I listen to them all the time. And I've been doing educational marketing since I got into business so long before I ever heard him speak long before his book ever came out. His first book ever came out. I have been that that's how we've grown. Every business is really by getting in front of our ideal clients and teaching them what we wanted them to know and how to best use our services. And so I think that's important and today I think that it's the wave of the internet Set and the internet that's that's driving new customer acquisition and and letting the homeowners individuals know the benefits and value. I don't know how it is in Australia, but here in the US I have found that the state will teach a realtor the laws of selling real estate and the broker will teach the realtor how to build a pipeline of customers. If the agent is lucky the broker will teach that but no one really tells the Actually how to sell a house how to sell the product they've been given to merchandize into market and so they're really the agent's job really as far as they understand. It isn't to sell the house. It's too it's to build a customer base and I think there's kind of a problem with that because if you build a customer base and you don't sell the product then then your customers are going to be happy, right? So for me, I make it a point to teach agents how to sell a house and that It goes beyond just the staging and the preparation part but it's to teach in the things that I actually know from Real Estate as well things that I understand about the buyer psychology and the seller psychology and how things translate from that how when a buyers looking online when they're looking through. What did you say realestate.com is what your yeah, I'm or Diana or whatever it is for your site's when they're looking through their to understand the buyer psychology that if they don't like the first five photos. They're not going to move on to the 6th 7th and 8th. So those first five photos have to be key really understanding and researching all of those all of that data and turning that into something that's teachable and coachable and then teaching them how to use our staging Services as an addition to that so they could actually make the most of what the content the very little bit of content they are producing. So they're getting the most buyer leads and then the most referrals and I guess when you think about it educational and I think that's a good way to put it you're teaching how you know a realtor or even a client out there that how to use your services. I guess another or another arm of the educational piece could be and for us I guess so the difference is in our Market a little bit. So we often deal directly with clients in some cases. Although a lot of the work still comes referrals through real estate agents, but I guess when we're talking about education some of what we like to put out ourselves is Teaching people how to do the staging themselves with some of the pieces that they have now, that doesn't mean that we're trying to say you don't need a home Stager. But what it means is that some people are going to be limited on budget. Some people were never going to use this anyway, but it builds a trust with agents. It builds trust with the clients who will often get us in for a consult anyway, and some of them do decided to do it themselves, but more often than not people will take the advice and then decide that I want to do it themselves and they'll get they'll bring us into to do it for them. Anyway, so I think you know, I don't know your thoughts on that, but from an educational point of view, we found that to be quite successful as well. And we do that as well. And we also produce videos that help other stagers and other areas. So we've done videos on marketing videos for other stagers and that are on our YouTube channel and then we've also done videos like I think one of the two of the most popular videos we have would probably be good for a home owner or agent or another stage or in another area. To learn like the fact that the shower curtain should always be open during showings and how that creates a different perception for buyers in a different buying experience for the shower curtain to be open and particularly in the bath the non Master bathrooms, and then another one is if you've got a window and around like a bay window in a round table that the chairs should be on an x pattern not a plus pattern and the visual differences and psychological differences. That those different configurations make definitely and and it's interesting because we do something similar in terms of the content. We put out here. We we put it out for all sorts of different Target markets and one of them as you say is for other stages, so some of the content we put out I think our most popular video was a recent one where it sounds click baby, but it's exactly what I went through in the video was how much can you make as a home staging business and obviously that you know, if you're a running it or you're new to the industry or you've got a small Your own that's going to be of interest. So it's and it wasn't a this, you know, it was more about this is what we've found and here's some percentages that are kind of General in nature and all that sort of stuff. But it's I think different content for different audiences is important and you don't have to stick to just the one Now I agree and I think that you know, you know, you mentioned that you really do more for the individual homeowner versus the agent for us. We a lot of our content can go across board too many different Target audiences. But what we focus on is I'll say the low-hanging fruit. I want to our biggest customer base is actually flippers. So it's what we do the most for and that's because we have flippers that do a hundred and fifty houses a year, and I'd rather have one customer. That does a hundred and fifty houses a year then, you know 10 customers that do 15 and you know a hundred and fifty that do one because it's a lot easier in the end to keep the customer happy and if something goes wrong and they one time, you know, they know that that's not your standard right that things happen and this isn't their first experience with you. So we tend to go after customers who have multiple properties to give us throughout a year and that makes things It's really a lot smoother. It doesn't mean that we won't take the one off customer but we're not going to really spend marketing dollars towards that we're going to spend our money our biggest marketing dollar toward the customer that's going to give us the most Roi. Yeah, I think that's a good point. Especially I mean not especially but for those that are new to the business and it's always a question. How do I win more work for the those that are new to the industry and it's an important Point like the low-hanging fruit are for us as well. It's going to be agents who can refer, you know five. And 15 jobs a month and if you're a brand new business in the industry that can be a huge growth opportunity for you. So I agree there next one. I had there was and you can fact check this for me. But as I understand that your pricing is it's different than anything. I've seen at least in Australia. It's based on the list price of the house that you're staging so percentage of that. So tell me about how you use it. So, how do you think about that? Why do you do it that way? And I guess talk a little bit about if if it's been that way. Right from the start or if you had to kind of transition people and it's an educational piece because it's is it are you the only ones who do what I guess in your Market or is it something that's a bit more common? I think since people have seen the success of our pricing model that it is picking up in the industry. I've heard of more and more people doing it for many years. We were the only ones doing it and we were absolutely told by everybody not to do it that way. So, you know, sometimes you just have to throw caution to the wind and say nope. I think this is a good plan for me. It happened. Because it wasn't that way in our business in Charleston that company we we had a different pricing structure model, which I'll say was really much more random. It kind of was how big does the house how much Furniture do we think we're going to need like it really was kind of pulling a number out of the sky and this way when we have repeat clients. What we really wanted was a formula that they would that the a if we were working with an agent or a flipper that they could know. Before the listing how much it would cost to Stage. So for a flipper our main client, they're probably 80% or more of our business for a flipper. They could actually win they were calculating how much it was going to cost to put the house, you know in the repairs and and upgrades that they could calculate the cost of staging into that. So there was no at the end what we didn't know staging was going to cost that much. So that was part of it being able to have that formula and then for realtors when they're taking the listing and they're bringing Aging into the conversation for them to have a very clear number that they can an expectation that they could give their homeowners. And so that really established us that it wasn't. Well. Let's see how much staging was it was something that they could wrap their brains about the process and the cost and for homeowners the individual homeowner now as opposed to The Flipper what have you they could see that pretty well as they were paying Realtors a percentage of list. Price so we kind of fit right into that industry model. And with that we decided we didn't want to be a rental company. It wasn't we weren't going to charge by, you know, our quote says, you know a sofa two chairs anybody 10 rug coffee table blah blah blah and then when we came in decided, you know what it would really be better if we had two sofas instead of a sofa and two chairs and change that model and then I'm saying well doesn't that cost less or cost more or you know question the pricing? That we gave them because we had given them a list of what we were going to bring in and charging a rental fee off of that. So we didn't want anything to do with that. And and so the it kind of change we did we also have an option to pay a closed which most staging companies don't offer. They need that liquid now in order to do their in order to do the staging and we tacked on an additional half percent to our quote. So instead of one percent It was one and a half percent and since then we've actually changed it to our staging fees are one and a half percent. But if you pay upfront we give you a discount of 20% So we've actually sort of raised our prices from one to one-and-a-half knowing that a lot of people who were we were attacking on that half percent tried to talk us out of it. Now everybody wants to pay us upfront because they want the discount and that's I just want to focus on something you said that because you said it and it's something that we've thought about it. I think it's it's brilliant and it's it's the psychology thing. It's a way it's a the way that you worded it because we have a what we call a stage now pay later. So it's a similar sort of thing. It's not pay it close, but it's in essence. It's a deferred payment option and there's two ways that you can go about this. And the first one that a lot of people have spoken about is they have their fee for upfront payment and that's the default and if you want to defer payment there's a percentage added on like you said, there's a premium or an extra. Just the the alternative way, which is what you've transitioned to is and this is what we do. We have our deferred payment option as our default. And then if you want to pay up front, there's a discount now the numbers are exactly the same but people don't like the word premium they like to a discount and and it's not changing anything. Other than the way you actually talk about it. So I think I just want to highlight that because I think you've mentioned something that we stumbled on and I think it's a really clever way of going about it. Yeah, and and you know, we explore different pricing options all the time right now for the fall. We have a different pricing structure going on as we're one of the things that's our happens a lot in our Market is we are absolutely a premium staging service. But we've noticed that a lot of the last volume us flippers and our Market have started hiring another staging company that provides a really low cost and Lie, low cost all say and we've created a pricing structure that actually sort of almost matches them, but it's only month to month. So when you're looking at the two numbers side by side, we're probably about 25 percent more than their pricing quote. But in the long run will actually turn our furniture faster and make more money, even though it sounds like we're making a lot less upfront. Okay, very interesting. Ting and instead, I don't think it's something I've seen in Australia in terms of that processing model is up centage of list price, but I think it's very interesting and one of the comments you made when you spoke about this in your in your keynote was and I'm trying to remember the exact quote. But you said how would you like to never have prices and objection again? And I think everybody in this industry can relate to that. Basically what we're looking at is that we never have to go out to a house and preview a house with out the customer already having it. Having approved the pricing. So we're only going to go out there to ease their mind if you will, but they've already agreed to our pricing structure. So we're not wasting any time. But before we kind of get to that and they've called us usually the initial comments on the phone are either how much the staging cost or I have X budget and what can I get for that and we started backtrack the conversation and really give them our value pitched because again up to 80% I'm sorry over 80% of our customer base. Our flippers were able to really have good conversations with them about what kind of return on that investment. They're seeing investors. Don't do a lot of expenses if they're not going to get a return out of it. And so universally we've heard that they find that they're getting typically about 10 percent more for the property when they staged it then when it's left out in stage. So in our Market because Our Market is sort of a very low-end Market if it's a 250 thousand dollar house. That means that there when they staged the house they're thinking they're going to get about 25 thousand dollars more for that house by staging it then leaving it empty and that's a big number. So when we're talking to our customers, we don't actually say 10% more because we don't want them psychologically going crazy and raising the price so high that they can't sell it, but we're going to let them know that Turn should typically be three to five times what they're spending even though our even though our customers tell us. It's closer to 10% So when we look at that what we're saying is if you have a $250,000 house at one percent because it's really what we're looking for. That's going to be a 25 hundred dollar investment that you should expect to get $7,500 or more out of that at closing and so when we explain that Then typically we don't get as much like if all you're concerned is about spending $2,500. You're not our customer if you're concerned about how much my getting back. Is this an expense or is this an investment then are your our customer base? So once we establish that then we're happy to meet with them and do whatever we need to to secure the deal, but we're never going to waste time and house where we haven't already secured the knowledge of what our pricing is. We're never going to Get out to a house on the go. Oh, I had no idea what it cost so much. I think I mean you basically qualifying Elites in a way. And as you say there are there are people who aren't going to be your customer and without having that expectation of price upfront often. You'll get a call to go and look at a house or give a quote when they were never your customer to begin with. So I really like it and I think people should think about that we thought about a version which we're looking into which is not a percentage necessarily but fixed pricing and we Of you know a number of the say three or four different fixed prices, depending on what size house or something. Yeah, we're still looking into things like that. But but the point would be more of a way to give an expectation of cost before they actually turn up or before they call us for us. The fixed price Model doesn't work because we focus in a lot on demographic staging. So who's the most likely buyer for this house and our because of where we are in Florida, we have Beach beachfront properties. And then we have very rural properties. And so you might have a $200,000 house that very rural that is 4,000 square feet. So you got to bring in a lot of furniture and then you might have a $600,000 beach house. That's 1,200 square feet and you don't have to bring them very much Furniture, but it has to be super quality, you know, so package pricing doesn't like we staged the entire house all of the rooms all of the interior square footage, so For us when we tried to calculate like well, if it's this price point that's this multiple and blow out the easiest and the end was the percent and there's some we win and there's some we lose but overall we make a good profit fair enough. I'm going to try and get through a couple questions reasonably quick look. So now I'm taking up some of your time probably the favorite probably the thing. That was my favorite comment that you mentioned in that recent video was How a lot of the stages in the market use what you call pretty talk and I think this is I've written this down because it was a direct quote that I really liked. You said. We don't make houses pretty we make them marketable pretty as a side effect of what we do. Can you talk to that a little bit? Oh, I love this is like my favorite Topic in the whole wide world. I absolutely get hostile sometimes listening to stagers talk about what they do from a design rated related platform. We need to use good Design principles with what we're doing, but ultimately this goes back to that demographic thing. We need to understand who is buying the product and then when we understand who is buying the product then we need to figure out how they're going to use that product. So this is and this is kind of the example that I give for people to really understand if you were if you decided to set up a store and you were going to sell school supplies, wouldn't it be important to know whether you Wanted to sell college school supplies or Elementary School supplies, right? Because if you just said, hey, I want to sell school supplies and you open up a school supply store that geared things towards elementary school kids and you opened up next to the college. You probably aren't going to sell very much, right? And yeah, absolutely and I guess, you know, I'm not a stage. I'm not a stylist or of any sort of design bones in my body. I'm the business. Operator I'm with my wife and she's the chief stylist in our team. And we've got a team of stylists. So from my point of view, I've said this before but when I look through Instagram and we kind of obviously we look at all of our competition and the other stages around Australia and yourself and others in around the world from my point of view as somebody who isn't a stylist. Everybody looks the same and that's not trying to be critical of anybody staging but I just don't understand the the the small details that make a difference. Since I'm not the person who is going to know that and I think I in some ways relate more to the buyer that maybe what the stylist does so you have to understand that somebody else looking at this from the outside who doesn't look at different homes every single day. They're not going to know the difference and a comment that you made which I agree with is if all we do is we look the same and we all say the same thing which is generally everybody says we sell for more and we sell faster if we're if that's what everybody is saying. It makes sense that somebody would go for a cheaper option. Absolutely. And so like we classify this that for for us the definition of staging is that staging creates a measurable marketable change and the perceived value of the property. Yes. I love that everything. We do focuses first on that. We do not make a single recommendation in the house unless we believe that recommendation will make a perceived value change in the house. It has to be measurable and has to be marketable or forget about it. I'll never forget I used to have in my business in Charleston. I had a stage where my team and he was a little bit of a diva and he'll be like I see this bookcase with all white accessories and I'm like, that's great David. Do we have all white accessories for you? And he's like no you need to buy me some and I'm like, okay. Well tell me is that a design decision or is it actually going to change the perceived value of the property to the buyer? And he would just kind of stare at me blankly and be like it's a design decision and I'm like great the news what we have right because we're not I mean we do want pretty pictures. We do want it to be favorable with MLS, but I can do that without all-white accessories, right? I can do that in other ways and I'm going to spend money on the property if somebody tells me they need a desk because there's this space here. That's an awkward space and really it's, you know, maybe even a hallway and It really could be an office, you know a nice little simple office then then and he we don't have the right shape or Dimension desk in stock. I'm going to go buy a new desk to fit in that space because I'm going to bring value to that property. I'm going to create an extra room or an extra usable marketable space for them. That's that's going to make a difference to the potential buyer. And so I will do that and we do that like Ana Landings and things like that giving the buyer. Ideas of how to use a space that otherwise otherwise might be empty useless space and when we can do that and we can pop open their eyes and say, ah now I see how I can live here. That's when they're going to emotionally connect with the property and that's when they're going to pay more money for it. It's not about making the house pretty it's not about knowing where the sofa goes, but it is about creating a lot of the visual perception of a lot of space. A lot of usable space in the way that they would live. I agree a hundred percent. I don't think I've got anything to add to that. You said it very well. Let's move on from that talk. And as I said before for those that would like to say I think it's about a 40-minute cannot that you gave so for those listening go and check it out but a couple of final questions, so if you could click your fingers going back to being the business owner, click your fingers and instantly change one thing about about your business. What would it be? Oh, wow. That's a tough one. I am going to say that. Maybe a current frustration. Yeah, I think that I wish that I would have hired another me sooner and what I mean by that is we've got a great team, but I'm we've just finished. We actually just had our big Mark our big meeting today finishing up the book traction and about sort of replanting the business for the new year and we're actually looking at potentially franchising in another year here in the states. And the one thing I think I really waited too long. Long on that we've just changed but like now I feel like I'm under such the gun for him to catch up is hiring an operations manager that I've been really good about delegating things that I'm not competent with if I'm if I like I don't like the money part of it. I mean, I like I like data I like numbers, but I'm just not good at the money part the schedule, you know paying the bills and all that all the time. So I need somebody else to do that because I get distracted by Other bigger projects and I hired a sales manager because I don't like networking and I hired other stagers and assistance because I couldn't do it all I knew that we needed to get more done. We hired our own in-house movers and so on and so forth, but the one position that I didn't that I didn't replace until just recently and I feel like we should have done it a year sooner is an operations manager and that's because for the last year plus I have spent. All my time working in the business and not on the business. And now that I have somebody taking that that responsibility I'm starting to see things are becoming more efficient in the business and I'm able to actually build out the future of the company. So I think that's maybe the one thing that I would snap my fingers and and go back a year and hire hire somebody to get that in place sooner. I like that answer. It's you know, it's a cliche but working on business. Not in the business. I think that's especially for the new businesses in this industry or any industry. But you know, it's it is a bit of a trap when you're the especially I mean what for us personally, you know what my wife being the chief stylist. She started the company from The Styling point of view and she's now building out her team but she still very involved in a lot of things and that's just that's what happens when you start a small business and you're the you're the person and I think for the you know for for my thought on that it doesn't have to be another another operations manager, but you know just on the if you're finding that things aren't getting done that you're spending too much time in the minutiae like it's time to look at what minutiae can I get rid of and it took a long time for me to realize the minutiae I needed to get rid of was actually operations that I didn't need to control all of that and I think part of that question is asking yourself. What am I like so what am I the best start and where do I add the most value and for a lot of people in this starting out in the early days? You're kind of wearing every hat you doing everything but there comes a point where you have to start saying some of these things could be done better by somebody else and I shouldn't be doing them anymore and not being afraid to hire somebody better than you. Yep. Absolutely. All right last couple of questions here. What would you say has been the most difficult thing you've had to deal with and that can be from a business point of view or personal point of view as the owner. What kind of comes to mind starting over when I sold my business in In Charleston and we moved to Jacksonville. I did not plan on starting over. I plan on getting out of the industry. And the truth is I love it. It's in my blood and we moved because my husband had a job that he couldn't say no to and I had been sick for a year on bed rest for over eight months. And so it made sense for us to move and I just didn't coming off of that. I didn't think that I would get back into it and feeling the Pains of knowing what a great company you can have but not knowing anyone and literally. Having anything not having a warehouse not having a move or not having an assistant not having a thing going from having it all to having none of it. That was very eye-opening. I think the great advantage that I had their though was I literally got to look at my business and say if I had it to do all over again, what would I change and then made those changes? You just a question that kind of came to mind. How do you think of yourself when somebody says what is your role or what are you doing? Do you think of yourself as a Stager or you an operator had it? How do you think about that? I'm an entrepreneur brilliant. I like it. No more needed. All right, let's just finish up with a couple of rapid-fire questions. And these are their rapid questions. The answers can be as long or as short as you like. So the first one how has a failure or and what seemed from the outside maybe to be a failure. How is that? Set you up for later success. That's a good question. Um, I think that I so so here's a funny funny little story and I'll try to keep it super short is when I worked for the real estate office and I was the office manager. We were getting ready to move into a brand-new beautiful shiny new construction giant building and I kind of went from being the manager who sat behind the reception desk answering the phones and greeting people to where I would have my own office with the glass door and my own team and staff and I literally four weeks sat and thought about was I willing to give up that status of you know, having that glass door with my name on it to quitting my job and going after something else even though I love my job, but I hated my boss and and I laugh at that now there was another moment where I was afraid to spend $50 a month when I was starting to make the commitment of a year contract for $50 a month for Constant Contact a newsletter service and that first year that newsletter service. We we could count $100,000 worth of Direct business that we got from that newsletter. I think things like that failures of worrying about what other people would think or you know was I willing to make kind of big It meant without any anything there to to fall onto and and I think in the end I did push myself into a very uncomfortable place and it was those that that really uncomfortable place that ends up having all value and all the reward. Okay, another one. What is one of the best or most worthwhile Investments that you've made and that can be in the form of time money energy anything that you like having somebody that I could rely on to unquestionably do the business for me. So if I and for me that started off being an assistant who now actually five years later runs manages five other. Stagers and five other assistance so she's got a team of 10. So she started off as my assistant and and really deciding that even though I didn't think I could afford it yet hiring somebody to start taking some of that load off my plate. Okay. I like it. That's very relevant to us right now. What advice do you wish you'd received when you start it out either in your first or second business. Get out of your own way. Okay, thank I mean and what I mean by that is I know that sounds cliche but we I am a control person. I'd like to control things. I am not a micromanager, but I do like to have control and sometimes the right answer is really just letting go and and seeing if you've done a good job and and see what happens with the aftermath and I'm going to relate that back to Gary Vee he says often. Is building out his giant marketing firm or agency and he says five people's 90% is better than your 100 and I think that's an important Point as you're growing. You have to let go a little bit. Absolutely. Okay, probably I'm going to say I was going to ask you a bad piece of advice for the industry, but I think we've kind of touched on that a little bit. So some of the ways I will skip that one. But so let's just finish up with this which is a bit of a simpler one. What is an unusual habit or an absurd thing that you love? Of so, we want to know how we do you can be I love watching any show that has to do with psychology and so in sometimes in an odd way, so like I like drug rehab shows because I like to see the psychology of how they overcome their incidents. I like like Millionaire Matchmaker. I don't even know that still on TV and I like Sister Wives. So I love watching how people Think and respond to things. Okay. Well, that's all I had but I lied there's one more question and this is the simplest of a lot for those that aren't already following you or seen your stuff. What is the best way that they can have a look at what you've got going on as they put a lot of video content level lot of content including videos. So where's the best place that they can find you? So the best place to look is anywhere on social media for a trave home staging so YouTube Facebook Instagram Twitter LinkedIn wherever if you just follow it if you look up Brave home staging. That's where we're going to be. We're pretty much everywhere. I actually just recently hired a digital marketing manager. So she's really pushing it out and we have it had a video videographer on staff. So I would like to ask you a question if that's okay. Yeah hit me so I would like to know what biggest challenge that you have in Australia as far as getting your message out like how is how but what are your big tackles? For your business and Australia, you know, I think if you if you'd asked the question, maybe a couple of years ago the answer for most people would be education and acceptance of home staging back then especially as I said before you're the last couple of years. It's definitely growing as an industry. It's more accepted in agency circles. So that probably would have been the answer. I don't know that that is still the answer anymore. I think in terms of us getting our message out there. Don't know if it's a difficulty as such but as an industry we tend to we struggle putting ourselves out there. I think I don't know if that's a easy answer but a lot of people speaking to you and what we're trying to do here at Foxy. We are trying to put out a lot of content. We have a marketing or media person in house, and he was one of our first six people because we very early on committed to wanting to put out a lot of content. And so I think we're trying to do it do it in a way that we Sells out there just educational content and behind the scenes and all sorts of stuff. But I think as an industry it seems to me that a lot of people are struggling with I guess convincing themselves that firstly that's worth it finding the the money or the cost all the time to do that and just kind of take a step back and you know, it's a judgment thing. I think to some degree people don't want to put themselves out there or have themselves on camera. So I think in terms of building a brand building a business reputation And getting known I think that's probably the thing that people are struggling with the most. Well, you know what, I love about your behind-the-scenes content if I may for a moment is that and we do a little bit of it here as well is when you show people like in the beginning its the value proposition is spending this money worth it and they think it's a large sum of money because to them it may be but really it's that they just see it as Furniture in a house. I think when you do the behind-the-scenes footage as you've been doing it really shows what Work goes into this that for us, we've got a curate all of that stuff that goes in the house, right? We've got to go shopping and get it all done. And even when it's in the warehouse It's then it's still picking it, you know doing the measurements picking it out for the specific cows that it's going into and and the thought processes behind it so that they're paying us for our skill set and our understanding of the market not just our ability to make a pretty house, you know, kind of took that battle through a conversation earlier. Earlier, right? And I think you're behind the scenes footage does a great job of portraying how much work and stress and frustration. Sometimes it really takes to get this job done and why you're worth every penny that you charge. Yeah. I think it's something you said before as well. We're not a Furniture hire company. I think that's a very important mindset to have and that that fits in directly with what you were just saying and and how we then portray that to people outside of our own business. That they think of it as just about the furniture and we really have to Showcase that it's not the furniture that makes the stage. It's the knowledge and the stagers head. Brilliant. All right, I think that's a brilliant place to to finish up Melissa. I very much appreciate you coming on. Hopefully those listening got a lot of out of it, I which I'm sure they will and will drop you a message if they have a look at your your stuff on social media as you mentioned and yeah, let's I'm looking forward to following A long as you say you've got a lot more growth coming controlled growth, and I'll be watching along and and I'm sure we'll talk again soon, and I'll be watching you on YouTube as well. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks.

It’s been a little while since my last podcast, but I’m back and I’ve got a special episode for you today, particularly for those looking to build a significant home staging business, and I’m talking a million dollar revenue business. And I don’t think there are many of those in the Australian home staging industry, so if that’s your ambition, listen closely. And if it’s not, you’ll still get a lot out of this chat. It’s actually my first guest from outside Australia so the podcast is going international! It’s Melissa Marro from Rave Home Staging, based in Jacksonville, Florida. Melissa move to Jacksonville and started Rave Home Staging completely from scratch about six years ago. Some of the things we covered: - How Melissa thinks about marketing, and her focus on putting out educational content - How Melissa has changed her pricing structure (to something I’ve not seen in Australia) to ensure that the price is never an objection from a client again - Where other home stagers are going wrong by using what Melissa calls ‘pretty talk’ - The one thing she’d change in her business if she could. You can follow Melissa’s journey via: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ravehomestaging/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ravehomestaging/ Website: http://rave-reviews-home-staging.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClbDocMcCrwgUZfHGK8qtCg

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But what was great about it is that you had access to the general manager and the managing partner of the sons and they talked about the team which was a little unexpected. I didn't even think about that. So that's pretty great. And yeah, tell us what you learned today man. Yeah. So, you know the thing that sounds like what they're trying to do with this is it's not just going to be Building that's there that is a strictly Sons facility and Mercury as well because it's for both teams, but they're really looking to make that area kind of a little a little Mecha Robert Sarver said something to the effect of he wants it to end up being kind of the preeminent non downtown area in Phoenix. So they're putting in The Practice Facility. There's also on that same property apparently going to be a hotel that's going in. That's a Sam Fox. Own hotel, and I made a comment to Brendan because he was there today that Sam Fox might be quickly nipping at the heels of Robert Stivers. One of them are wealthy people in Phoenix because now he's got a hotel that's going up right there in terms of the facility itself. It sounds like it's going to be a flag of better way of putting it is super cool super cool place for these players to be able to go there's gonna be 24/7 access for the players including access using retinal scans. So it's like I don't know. Heuristic, I mean that's that's pretty sweet. They're they're saying how the players like to go in late get up shots coaches like to go and late. So they want to make sure that players that are on the team have access to that facility at all times. There's also an indoor/outdoor aspect to it included in addition to having the obviously practice facilities a practice courts. And what have you inside there's going to be a 40-yard turf field that's outside where where players can work out as well. And another kind of cool aspect of it and I keep saying cool asset because you look at it from the perspective of possibly trying to get players interested in coming to the Phoenix Suns. I've certainly think that it's useful to be able to lower them by by having these really neat facilities me look at like perhaps not a perfect example, but University of Oregon with everything they have in up there with their football team and how they're able to attract players. But in that regard Sarver brought up the fact that every area Within the facility is going to be open to Natural Light, even the practice courts. So with that setting that's right there at 44th Street and Camelback the view of Camelback Mountain. I think it's going to be something that's going to be very alluring to two players. And I think it'll be interesting to see once it's done what we might be able to how that might be able to operate in terms of getting free agents getting again players interested in Phoenix as a destination like it used to be back in the good old days. That sounds pretty incredible. And I've seen some pictures of it as well and it looks a little futuristic to and I know James Jones talked over the summer that it was going to be like a place players can stay there's gonna be a lot of sleeping quarters and several kitchens and things like that to it's pretty good. And that was one thing that James Jones said when he got up there and spoke, you know, he said if you're a player there's nothing more important for you than knowing that when you step into a building that you have the best and I think that kind of Falls in line with the whole concept. depth of getting players interested who might not be on the Phoenix Suns right now about possibly coming to the team in the future and making sure that they know that they're well taken care of and have facilities where they're going to get top-notch state-of-the-art, you know technology access amenities and what have you and it seems like based on what I heard today that they're certainly trending in that direction the Phoenix Suns are so this is also Robert for sarver's First Media appearance apparently since It's 2017. Probably the Smart Choice. Honestly, I understand it. It was it that's a PR decision and it wasn't on unlike certain times while I was with the team as well. They chose to keep him away from speaking with the media and dealing with that. So that doesn't necessarily surprise me that it that it's been that long and probably for the better James Jones. Has been able to kind of become the face of the organization along with Monty Williams and we know that works but this is a business that thing I mean as much as its basketball its business its City oriented as well. So that's why Robert server was the face of this in particular that doesn't surprise me in this case and it's his money. He's the one funding it so I I thought you said three million he can he can say whatever the hell he wants. I thought it was interesting when I heard. I watched the a little bit video. Of him talking that he said it was about 45 million dollar project. As of today and he said call me next week because it'll probably yeah, but the original promise was 75 or 80 million or something like that that he was going to fund his own money. Yeah, and I'm kind of curious as to whether or not when he says 45 million dollars if they're talking specifically about just that facility because like I said, there are apparently going to be some other some other attractions for lack of better way of putting it that are going to be going in that area. I don't know if perhaps some of that is going to come into it, or maybe they Add that much money knowing that it's going to continue to build up your speculation would be as good as mine because he certainly didn't delve into that. But yeah, he said 45 million today. So what's the feelings are in Phoenix regarding this does it people excited? They actually feel like it's going to make a difference for the team as well as an economic benefit in the area looked at that area doesn't need any any economic benefit. That's already an athlete with a flu and area there. Yeah, I know server does do a lot of work in the non-m fluent areas. They just don't he just talked about it today. They put a million bucks up to in shoot every Maryvale Mary Taylor. Yeah, and so then he does do a lot of work with the inner-city things. This particular practice facility is no it's on purpose in about the best part one of the best parts of town. They literally said that this is where the players and their families would live in this area. And so that's what made it so convenient. Well look and a lot of teams do this. I mean, this is an unheard of this is the suns are actually one of the last actually jump on this. Rain, in terms of building your practice facility where players want to live. I mean, I'm pretty sure the Spurs actually built their practice facility right near where Tim Duncan wanted to live to convince him not to sign with the Orlando Magic back then as part of it. I'm not joking. I had that actually if I'm remembering that story correctly is was part of the deal with him. So this isn't unheard of and it's actually a smart move. It's interesting though team offices will move their so employees. We'll work out of their day to day operations will happen there. The only thing that'll happen down at the arena is the games and the ticket sales. Yeah and Tim to your point to you know, I haven't heard a lot since the whole city council thing went down about the practice facility any further, but a couple of points that Sarver brought up while he was speaking as it pertains to or it could have even been one of the the Builder or possibly Deacon scene who was there as well, but Justin, Right, right. Maybe I'm making this up in my head. I'm not sure I wrote it down though. So I'm assuming it's coming from somewhere. But the they indicated that with the facility going in there the hotel that's going to be their restaurants that are going to be there as well. They're expecting an influx of 1700 jobs in the area. There's 350 million dollars total in private Capital that are going into it and also mention was the benefit for the city when it comes to Hotel taxes as Eating again. This is over 25 years, but 50 million dollars over 25 years and then another 33 million dollars in property taxes. So when you look outside of the scope of okay, it's a practice facility for the Phoenix Suns and the Phoenix Mercury and there perhaps are going to be some social amenities around the like restaurants. The hotel would have you they certainly are putting at least some level of focus on the financial benefit that this is going to presumably bring to the City of Phoenix look having eaten lunch with a lot of people that work there. That's the economic benefit to that area. There's gonna be so many people going to lunch just from that from those offices right there. They'll make they'll make their money back and yeah, imagine being a business right there already and there's like, yeah, it's that property tax though. It's funny one of the one of the sorry Tim but one of the building on the corner right there is a medical building and my kids pediatrician in the is in there. So I'm like well, maybe I'll be Taking my kids to other doctors appointments more often or something just linger around a little bit and you could just you could just leave the kid at the doctor and say I'll be back in a couple hours. I'm going to go watch a practice Justin. I need to I need to clarify something because the audio was breaking up for me at one point. But you you said there's going to be a 40-yard Turf indoor turf outdoor the outdoor those times when the sun's want to play flag football or today elaborate on. On why that was part of this there was no elaboration as to why that's part of it, but it was brought up in there who would be this 40 yard outside outside Turf. He could be hula dancer who dancing, you know, perhaps if you don't want to you don't want to run out of that yoga Yoga and that be good if it was Earl Watson in the yoga would be editing would definitely be and play with it. So legit when you're playing basketball with somebody you can tell who played soccer and who did it just by looking at the looking at the footwork. How's your yeah. Yeah. Usually kick the ball more often. The said. Yeah, the sad thing is that I did play soccer as a kid, but I didn't help my lateral movement. So let me ask you guys. Let me ask you guys this do you really believe we've heard and it was brought up again today? That the been one of the benefits of this is the fact that it will help attract Top Line free agents. Do you think a practice facility is legitimately going to accomplish that for the Phoenix Suns or do you think that's more posturing as to why it was important to get that the vote passed for the new Arena and and The Practice Facility. I feel it's a little a little overblown. I don't think any guys guys strippers Iza. Yeah, well he signed without that practice facility. So my point was just made I guess but you know, I think it maybe has some but I asked all the other big-name free agents who signed with the sun's well, you know, or the one has written. Yeah, I think wasn't Jared Dudley who had said something about the practice facility being awful and then Devin Booker like the Tweet. Hey, Jared Dudley says a lot of crap though. I love JD but I I wouldn't base my opinion based on Jared Dudley. Even Robert server. I think when I watched that video from earlier said that well, okay. This practice really is at least third on the list of things. I mean, the firt first is players second as coaches third is stuff and amenities and but you know Greg when you go on vacation, it is kind of important to you at your hotel room looks like right. I mean it's important to you to know where you're staying and what kind of amenities you're going to have when you have downtime. That's a that's what they're selling. Link to these guys that is not the case after my summer league experience. I'll just say that I let Tim book all that stuff and and I obviously obviously regret that on many many levels. No Peppa is the case because from now on that's going to matter to you. This is our hotel we stayed at was fine. Did you not use a black light? Let's be honest the hotel we stayed in was the current Phoenix Suns practice facilities of Vegas hotels. So I totally I now I'm totally on this word. There's this is it. So we heard so anyways, we're way off Greg Greg left at like 11 o'clock in the morning and didn't really stay for the pool party because he's a good man. So the pool party got interesting after that much more interesting, but I would liken it to okay, so I am going to buy or rent a condo somewhere whether or not they have a gem and a nice pool at the condo is not the decision Factor, but it definitely Is something that I could sit with you're going there for the gym isn't the gym a factor? Well, that's the thing is The Practice Facility. There's going to be some sleeping quarters and there's going to be kitchens and stuff like that so you can stay if you need to stay but it's a practice facility. So don't you want the best of where you're going if you can get it if that condo came with Monty Williams Devin Booker and Ricky Rubio, then yes, I'd and it was nice then. Yeah, I would so I think I think to your point Dave what what server said in Terms of is one of the factors is probably the most accurate statement we've heard about this and if you believe they want the coat over it soccer as a reference for good thinking. Hey, he's a smart businessman. I've never denied that that he obviously has made Solid business choices and in the end this is a business choice. But yeah, so I guess I guess if we believe Monty Williams is the man as the coach which we do. I think I don't think anybody's gonna argue that and we think that they have the do believe things are code. Yes, the foundational pieces for the future then then the practice facility does become an important element and everything. It seems like today they suggested this is going to be done before prior to next season. So I mean, it could have an impact and in free agency this summer as early as this summer. Yeah, August 1st is the date that Sarver throughout which if you do the math there that means the poor equipment staff. Is going to have to basically house their equipment somewhere between when they start the renovations at the arena, which is supposedly May or June until August. So I guess they're just gonna be driving U-Haul trucks around the valley until I bet their new homes homes ready. So now just flatbeds man and I have two players working out on the back of the flatbed. Don't lose your balance. All right guys, what you want to talk about some of the games that happened since last time we recorded. Yeah. Yeah. So Lakers game last night raise your hand if you watch the game, that's really great for audio. Yeah. Hey, we all raised our hands. Oh, that's all right. Of a different experience. I'll tell you what man. I'm so tired of Lakers fans. I got to tell you they it's bad enough when the Suns have sold out the arena with nearly sold out with season tickets and they still Lakers fans buy their tickets off them on secondary sources to make some money, but it's even worse when there's not many season tickets sold for a season. So all the tickets are open for anybody who wants them and the ticket prices were huge. The sticker prices were a hundred fifty bucks in the upper deck. It was crazy, but these Laker fans, Were buying them up and I feel like there was more Laker fans in that Arena than Sons fans. Although I do appreciate very much appreciate the sons fans cheering like crazy to try to drown out the Lakers fans. It was pretty interesting. It was like a concert where every good thing that happened on either end of the Court. There was a major incredible cheer because of those Fans to so there's a weird internal debate going on between certain people in the building as well. There was a lot of couples in the arena with one of them in his sons Jersey the other no Lakers jersey. So I with how could you do that? Like I just I know I need some pills that what it will do is get that to work at simple the Suns fan got some really good looking Lakers fan to go to the gate. You know, it's that's how Lakers fan got in a bit that does. I don't care how good looking at. Lakers fan is I'm not a I'm not in on that. I'm sorry. That's that's that's a that's a relationship that could never work and in my world. That's a deal-breaker. You know, that's a that's exactly that Laker fan jumpy. Anyway, as soon as something better comes along gotta tell you guys I definitely compromised for worse. So yeah, I think back to Vegas. Changes though. I want I want to get everybody's short opinions on them changes the rotation Devon Carter basically gone except for a few garbage time minutes. It doesn't surprise me. Yeah, really efficient week and a half. He didn't make her the I think he made one shot in a week and a half although Frank Kaminsky made one shot in a week and a half and he still has all the minutes he needs because the sun's needed him. They don't need Devon Carter because Tyler Johnson can play backup point guard and their staggering Rubio and Booker for all but like one or two minutes, they're literally putting Booker in for the first 11 minutes of the first quarter and then they're having Rubio come in at the start of the second quarter. The only given their only there's only about a 1 1 maybe 2 minute breather. We're not one of those two is on the court and they share the court for at least half of their time together. So it's really good and Monty's just decided. He doesn't need point guards really in that line other than Tyler Johnson for a minute or two and that's it at the end of the third and End of the first otherwise you've got one of Ruby on Booker. So I think I wonder if that changes when tied to Rome comes back though. I you know, I worry a little about that about him getting a chance because if mommy's really comfortable with a nine-man rotation in the sons are doing well. Maybe it's hard for Tyler Ty Jerome to get any time. You know, I wonder actually if Ty Jerome's going to start in the g-league for a game or two just to get his feet under him. I mean the dude is it has not been running even hardly in weeks. So I wouldn't put him in an NBA game immediately. I haven't practiced for a while for the team but even practices are not full-time because they're they're fully on their season schedule now, I mean Greg you remember firsthand, they'll go weeks without a practice because of their schedule real practice. They'll just do walkthroughs and and conditioning and stuff like that. So I would actually at the end especially the end of this month. I think it's five games in seven days. So they won't they won't practice at all even on the front and back end of that. As well so there won't be there won't be time to work them in there. So I think G that probably makes sense this last this last week. They had a couple of to day off periods at home and that's probably the last practices they'll have for a while anti-drone missed all that. So I think a Julie extent would not be surprising to me. I don't know for sure that he would get it, but it would it would not surprise me. Justin your thoughts on a Juwan Carter, you know it like I think Dave you said, you know his efficiency fell off. He was when he was hitting the three it was working out beautifully to have them in there, especially with the defensive intensity that we bring to the core but our last episode of Fanning the Flames that kind of reference the concept of it if it's not broken. Don't fix it well Javon Carter's involvement in the rotation and the team ended up becoming a bit broken and things are still clearly clicking with him on the bench and with Tyler Johnson picking up those minutes. So it makes all the sense in the world to me. And as far as I'm concerned the way the sons are playing right now Monty Williams can do whatever he wants and I'm going to be cool with it until I have evidence. Otherwise, I mean we've been we've been treated two years of players being frustrated with losing minutes players openly being frustrated show. In frustration in locker rooms after games after losing minutes and we always chalked it up to well a player's a competitor blah blah blah, but none of these guys are complaining on what Mommy's doing. I mean mine is not playing outside nine ten guys. There are guys who would love to get in games and they're not getting games Elia cobos been a true Pro now Devon Carter, he was up cheering he was up getting the fans off there like he did in the game where he's actually playing he did it again with his warm-ups on getting a cheering getting the fans up off their butts at some point. He wanted them to and then I want to touch on really quick Kelly oubre a killer Luber jr. Had a terrible game on Tuesday night. He was just he just was out of sync LeBron was just bullying him all over and over a just he was overshooting all of his shots. He has over five he hardly played in the second half the guy only scored one point for the game. He averages I forget somewhere around 15 for the year and he got one point in the game. You know, what he did after the game. He walked around the locker room. He don't think he did. An interview but he's walked around like he wasn't I wasn't angry or afraid or anything and then you know to say the wrong thing. I mean not afraid of us but fraid of saying the wrong thing, but he didn't do that and they posted on Instagram saying sorry Sons fans won't happen again. So taking ownership of playing poorly instead of blaming the coach for not letting him play out of it. I think that was that just shows Monty Williams is ability to get at these guys get them in the right frame of mind to play. Well, and the other thing I really like is is After the game the guys were talking about what they did wrong. They weren't talking about refs. They weren't talking about anything else other than this is what I did wrong. This is what I got wrong on. This is how I can get better every play matters that kind of thing. It's it was really nice to it's a great locker room this year and we'll look. I mean that that Lakers game came down to a bad to Mana stretch. There are 113 111 with a little over two minutes to play and it was a few mysteries on the sun's end and Kyle kuzma. There was having having literally actually what you just said Greg there was literally about a minute stretch their just the first the LeBron three to the kuzma the first the kuzma three that was like suddenly because that was a broken place a Bronte LeBron made one three a deep three and who you know, he's going to make them whatever Sons go down. They miss one. Then it comes back down on the Lakers offense and actually the brawn jacked up another 30 footer and missed it badly, but the rebound was so so long that the Lakers The ball then the sons were just kind of confused and scrambling for the first time all game. The sons did not react well and suddenly kuzma was open for three and the dudes hitting 20 percent on threes this year. So it's not the worst thing in the world to have him shoot him. And of course he made that and they made his next one and then the game was pretty much over but I give the sun's a lot of credit they battled they battled hard and both LeBron and the Lakers coach did what every other coach seems to be doing this year saying that that's a really good team and we feel it. This is a really good win for us for the ones who beat the sons and that's what Vogel said. That was a really good team and it's a great win for us. And now tonight the they're sitting Anthony Davis in the second of a back-to-back, but they played Anthony Davis and LeBron each 37 minutes against the sons. And Boga was very Frank Frank Vogel get it is very Frank about he's all his guys are playing and if they're going to rest it's going to be the next night and tonight is against Golden State. Who is this year? Santa Cruz Warriors well, and they needed every minute from LeBron and Anthony Davis. That's how well the sun played on Tuesday night. And that's that speaks volumes and to your point. The locker room is a different place because Monty Williams is such a solidifying force with that group because how Petty would it look if somebody after a game like that or any of these games so far this year came out and was complaining about playing time or minutes, you know. The past you know it Thomas. Yeah, I mean again in the past if a guy like Devon Carter had complained under Earl Watson's watch we all would have been like well that seems about right because you know this whole thing's a mess. But if he does it with the way Monty Williams is running things. He just he looks like a misfit. He looks like a guy that that doesn't belong it doesn't fit a culture and that speaks volumes to what they're building in this Locker. Absolutely. So on the last episode we talked a bit about Jim Johnson, we didn't actually break it down by all the three-man line UPS. Just I don't know if he had a chance to listen or if you've done the research yourself, but we basically looked at all the three-man line ups that Sons had and there was one common denominator with all of them the net negative ratings of all these three main line ups and that common denominator was cam Johnson. So, you know we talked about on the last episode whether or not cam Johnson should see a decrease in minutes since recording. We definitely seen more cam Johnson. Johnson he's jumped from 20 minutes to about 27 minutes a game your thoughts on him getting more minutes how he's played and whether or not you think that's the right decision for Monty. Excuse me. Um, you know, I again Monty Williams is going to do what Monty Williams is going to do and as long as the sons are playing like this, I'm going to support it and and also even with Cam struggling to some extent although he had a really good game. What was that the not the nothing. Her game, but the Nets game right? You play pretty well last night, but he also played yes, he played good on twos on Sunday as well. Yep, right and and ultimately when you have a player like that who obviously was brought in to shoot the three and you've had a guy like Frank Kaminsky who you brought in expect him to be able to shoot a three who has been cold is an understatement for the past couple of weeks until he kind of broke out a little bit. Yeah. It makes sense to give Cam Johnson those minutes and as long as the team continues to to play Well, remain competitive even if cams negative rating is or the net negative ratings are all you're seeing the common denominator of Cam Johnson. I think at the same time while he's an older rookie. He's still a rookie and he needs to get his feet underneath him when it comes to the NBA and if the sun's can accomplish that if Monty Williams going to accomplish that well at the same time ensuring that team remains competitive like they have been then so be it because from what I've seen of Cam Johnson when he shown those Is I see exactly what James Jones and his staff saw in cam Johnson when they when they drafted him and he could be a very important part of this team moving forward, especially as this season progresses. So why not give him those minutes and at the same time, I mean again when you have somebody like Frank Kaminsky who although they play different positions at struggling where else are you going to really look in terms of who else is in get playing time of Cam Johnson not taken up those minutes. So I'm perfectly fine with with Cam getting them and we're going to continue. Continue to see I'm sure games where he's struggling. We're going to see games where he breaks out a little bit and hopefully as this year progresses, if he continues to get those type of minutes, it'll be more consistently the game to where he's playing. Well overall as opposed to those games being the you know, the the not the norm it crazy to me. I've it's felt like he has struggled but then he look at at the statute. He shooting 40% from three and yet the eye test makes you feel like that is just not the case because it should be a hundred. While yet yet. Yes. When your when your nickname as Dave Dave you've dug him is cam. Wow, I expect higher than 40 percent from three. No, I think it's because he's been been streaky in some cases. So some games obviously have had more misses than the not but you look at it in totality or like he's actually shooting very well. He's the guy that they they told us he was and to your point just and he is or still a rookie so there's gonna be there. Going to be that adjustment period no matter how old or how many years he played in college coming in and it seems like he has Monty Williams trust and if that's the case in in turn I had my trust because I'm not I'm not betting against Monty Williams right now. I think it's hilarious that we make him sound like he's a 30 year old rookie or something like that. I mean, there are a lot of rookies in this league that are in their late 20s. And Kim is 3023. He's 23. Let's not pretend. He's like as old as everyone wants and it's just so it's a funny. It's a funny meme. I love the meme and all that but the dudes still has a lot to learn in the NBA. He looks good. He plays smart. He's got he's got good peripheral vision. He doesn't lose his man. He's not the most athletic guy in the world. But he also stays in front of because he does have just naturally long arms because he's 610 so he can do he can do things on the court that that are the greater than the sum of his parts and his hip haven't popped out a joint like we all thought was not even one. So when don't drink sit, sometimes they are taking on the Hawks who are allowing a hundred eight points per game that 17th of worst in the NBA while scoring a hundred four per game, which is the 24th worst offensive rating for a team my question to you guys with Evan Turner and John Collins both being out. How can the sun's over Kevin Starr Kevin? Herder what I say Evan Evan Turner's a big loss big loss. That's okay. It's okay Kevin. He's probably not going to play either but Kevin heard her definitely is out. And that's their second. That's our third and fourth leading scorers, right John so on so how can the sun's overcome the star power? That is Chandler Parsons Alex Len and Ben's party. I tell you what, Man, Vince Carter's probably going to drop a 20 on us. Son of a young doesn't go like 450 and we hear the so you could have had him too. Well, I tell you what, I feel happy. If Trey and Vince combined for 70 points that then the Hawks will lose by less than 10. I just don't see the Hawks winning this game. I don't because the site of gonna have 60 point every lost the sons of have kept the right mind frame mindset frame of mind every game all season. So I don't see the sun's lighting up in this game. I really don't I see this being my probably be like the Memphis game a couple weeks ago where it's not the final score isn't as wide as as you know, you might want it to be it won't be like Golden State or Sacramento where it's 25 points. It might only be 10. It might only be 12. It might be closer than we wanted to be all game because tray is a gamer and there are some really good players on that team that really want to stick it to the couple that really want to stick it to the sons if they can. But I still think the suns are going to win by 10 or 15 points just because they're going to execute better than Atlanta will and they're going to play enough defense to close out the game the way the suns were in not being quite good enough to beat the Lakers. I think it's going to be the Hawks to the sun's so I just don't see the Hawks being able to keep up with the sons team that focuses for even a couple of quarters and and the sons of also every game this year. They've lost the next game they've come out and Played really well, and I think that's going to carry out carry over here, especially when you lose a game like they lost last night to the Lakers emotional game. Obviously the biggest the biggest regular season game the sons of had in a decade give or take right? I think they'll come out focused and ready to roll again. You look at the loss to the Nuggets came out beat the Clippers loss of the jazz came out and beat the warriors with that ridiculous. First quarter loss to the heat came out and beat up on the Nets. So now we're looking at a game where they They lost to the Lakers. I think they're going to come out and 10 to 15 sounds about right because they'll probably be sitting a lot of their guys late in the fourth quarter. That's what I'm thinking and means dominating Alex Len. I think that's all we can. Look forward to what about the Alex Len Revenge game. That would have been last year. We watched Alex we've watched Alex for yeah exactly. He's been gone over a year, but we we know who he is. He can try to have a Revenge game and if he gets, 10 to 15 points that might feel like it for him. It's not going to make a big difference. Yeah, I was going to I was going to say 10 and 7 for his revenge game. That's fine Mist that is Revenge. Look I'm doing stuff in this building. I've never done before so NASA who get to pass in the lane the maybe should the sun should win that game pretty handedly they're definitely the better team. I do think Jabari Parker isn't necessarily the best matchup, but I don't think Bari Parker is going to be the difference between a 1 in a loss of the Sun seem. You know, what I see here is we're going to be bringing these comments up on Saturday. When we have to talk about the most stunning loss of the Sun Season. I feel like this is the first time we've confidently come out and be like no problem. This team's got this one. Okay, so I was on YouTube in just before the Sixers game. There's this semi-famous YouTube Sixers podcast guy that was talking about the Suns game. Saying how easily the Sixers were going to just Wallop on the sun's right. You guys should have seen the expression on his face in the tone in his voice the next day when he had to do that recap. I am picking at the Alex Len LED Atlanta Hawks to have a big victory versus the Phoenix Suns on Thursday. Hopefully that's enough to reverse the Jinx that we give you're going to shave your beard again. It says I have just if the hottest opening the shave your beard again. You know, I'm just I'm just hoping I can reverse the Jinx that we put on put on them by being so confident about a win. So I like the way you think it's 10 years of this relationship. Well more than that 20 plus years of this relationship with this team. But the last 10 of made it made it rough. Yeah, well on that note are we done I got in trouble for ending the episode 2 early last time and I really don't want to do it again this time. We are done. There we go. You can you can end it to him that did I I'm gonna have a do in total prediction for the sun's no, I'm just kidding. So I think I do I did come out of last night's game Tuesday night's game saying the suns are definitely a playoff team. We can talk about that on Saturday. That's our that's our lead into Saturday's episode teaser. Justin from Fanning the Flames excellent podcast always a pleasure to have you on and I appreciate being on as always guys Absolutely. I'll be at the game tomorrow night. So if anybody wants to find you they can find me there you can find me on Twitter. I'm at so says Jay and our pod Fanning. The Flames is at Fan the Flames NBA and even though he's not here my podcasting partner Paul as at dervishes whirl. It's Paul going to Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let me know where you guys are sitting I'll come over and say hi. Don't let him know. You don't want to have to deal with that one time. I caught him outside cheering for the cameras to the Tom Chambers and Tom and Tom show him. Please please end this now before we ask nothing more painful stories and on that note. Thank you so much you guys and also to see subscriber patron of the show Sarah. Hit us up on Twitter list number your address and I will send you some sun schwag in theory. Will we will be back for the YouTube version of the show Saturday morning at 7 a.m. Arizona's in theory Greg in theory. Thanks guys. I got to run cool. Bye. Thanks. Thanks guys.

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We got Sons matching for over a thousand of our tickets of the 3300 this year. We've had seven sons matching from the start and we are over 3,300 toll tickets between donations and matching already after only 10 game 10 days. So when the sons play the Kings on January 7th will have probably over 4,000. Tickets being handed out for that game on behalf of us from bright side and those kids. Hopefully we'll cheer like crazy for Suns win in against the kings in early January. I'm very excited. I'm very humbled by how quickly everybody acted this year. Thank you very much for your big donations. We had some big donors. We had some small donors. We're going to continue to have donors for another two weeks. I'm very excited about this. Thank you. So is it talked to me? So you're talking 4,000 kids, right? That's what I'm shooting for now. And I think we may even get a lot bigger than that, but I'm going to I'm going to start with 4,000. What is the organization of that? Come night of even look like? Well, luckily. I've got a really good partnership with the sun's group sales and Charities area where they deal with this all the time. They've been they bringing groups all the time A lot of times. It's The tickets bought by an organization and for their or the people in the organization and other times it's donated tickets where they will do some kind of community outreach and donate tickets themselves without matching, you know donations from someone else. We are the only ones actually who do the ticket drives this way where we collect, you know, most of the money and then the sons matched some are all of it so in and how does it come together? It's a pretty big deal. We have already reserved all the pregame mid-game postgame stuff that the sun's do to you know to attract people and give interactive fan experiences. So we're going to let these kids come in early right after five o'clock right after the doors open and come down to the lower level and watch the sun's players warm up for about an hour hour and a half or so until they go to get their seats. We're going to put T-shirts bright side night t-shirts on a big bunch of their chairs when they're with their seats are and give those out we have the the overall organization getting all those kids in the packs of tickets are going to be at a at a booth right inside the main entrance. So they'll come and they'll grab your tickets as they show up they'll know which sections are in and stuff like that beforehand, but they'll show up the night of the collect their tickets. They'll go grab their seats. It's just a really fun time and you know certain groups of kids will be invited to do some of the different interactive things throughout the night. So people can still consult donate can still nine dollars gets a kid to take it go to what son's.com / bright side, right and who knows we may actually get another another source of matching the ticket donations, but definitely your nine dollars gets a kid in and that's That's always been the case and will continue to be the case so we can we can sell as many tickets as we want and if they run out of seats for this January 7th game because we sold so many will give him will get him in the next game or the game after that. It's going to be it's really really worth it that you're changing kids lives through. This is all about changing kids lives. I was talking to a friend of mine just the other day. It was saying that what really really got his daughter into sports at 10 years old 12 years old. Old forget what AIDS when she was but when she went to an NFL game literally being in the stadium and this is just a different example of a kid going to a live game and then suddenly becoming a sports fan. Now she watches the sun's constantly now she watches the Cardinals constantly she watches that team because they were on the road they were in Tennessee. So they watch the Titans. So she watches that watches that team now, she's suddenly a big sports fan. She's playing sports. She's getting involved and she hadn't really done that before. Going to and Alive Pro game. That's what these kids are experiencing. The same thing happened to me. I became much more of a sports fan after going to a game and we need to build that next generation of sports fans. And that's this is contributing to that certainly especially after losing an entire decade of fans just because of not being one of the better teams in town. This is what one of the things that helps helps, you know build these kids enjoyment because Sometimes parents aren't going to take their kids. If it teams losing we have a very we're very farewell group and this gets kids in to experience what it's like to watch a watch a son's game and regardless of how teams playing or not to Dave's point when you go in person it changes it changes things. It's a very cool experience specially because these kids get even get to get really close in warm-ups and see these guys up. And see what it's like to be that close. They are ya like it there's a there's a sense of awe when when you get a go down there and I think I think it's something even and Dave you can attest to this you do it more often than me now, but even as adults when you even people that get to do it as often as people in the meat of their still that sense of wow, this is pretty cool when you when you step right near that Court during warmup Ups and and you look around you go. This is this is different. This is not something that that everybody experiences on a regular basis and that and just think about it from from a kid's perspective getting to do it it it has a big impact. So Dave congratulations on the effort so far. I hope that we surpassed that 4,000 that yet that you're even projecting it at now. It's great stuff that you do. So I hope your eye. We take great pride in it. I know that's not why you do it, but I hope it is something that you that you feel very good about. I know I give you a lot of hard time on this show, but this is one of those things that they never would because it's amazing what you Embrace that do here. Thank you very much and let me address the the winning team part thing because I get arguments about that all the time and you didn't say this just now Greg, so I'm not saying you did but a lot of guys would be like, I don't want to send the kids to watch a crappy tea. Team these last 10 years. It wasn't worth blah blah blah kids watching basketball. They don't care who won or lost. In fact, most of the most people I've talked to about their very first pro experience. They don't they don't remember the score. They don't remember who won or lost is remember people running around doing some incredible stuff that they never seen before that's what the kids are experiencing experiencing that hotdog. They're experiencing that coke. They're experiencing sitting in the seat amongst 20,000 other people there like you said down near the Or for the warm-ups, they're experiencing seeing people bigger than they've ever seen before. I mean my youngest when one of her first games he ever went to she got to stand neither Shack and she's like, oh my God, that guy is huge. And then even when you're just standing next to him in her daddy, and she was in awe of how big these guys are so kids don't care who wins or loses so it's really worth it to go and I don't like it when people say it's not worth donating tickets because the sun suck, you know in Prior years it was worth it and these kids it's changed their lives and has changed their outlook on Sports and I'm really proud of that. I do have a huge sense of Pride from doing this was the pride of creating experiences for people that wouldn't otherwise ever get that chance. So the sun's you guys want yeah, you want to talk about this the sun's losing to the refs last night in Mexico City speed over the group that gets no charity. It's I mean, oh my God, just let me tell you. I thought I was watching an old timey son Spurs game where the Spurs did every little tiny. Thing right the refs did every little tiny thing to help the Spurs and the sun's just made boneheaded play after boneheaded play and then follow it up with an incredible play to pull themselves back in it or up and then make another boneheaded play. I mean that last 8 seconds alone the Sun's made the some of the dumbest things. Okay mistake. Okay. Hold on Rubio was clearly grabbed on that end bound where it wasn't called the ball clearly. We went off of to rosen's leg and there's another angle it was the ball going that far. So yes, when you only watch the one angle that doesn't show de rosen's leg. It didn't go off his leg. But when you watch the full Angela clearly does the ball changes Direction after it hits his leg it hit it hit the top of bridges head. Yes, it does it does. This is what makes this is look Mikhail had a great he got 10 rebounds in that game. He really tried his butt off and we've heard before we're mikkel doesn't love banging in there in down in there amongst those trees because he's not the thickest dude in the world and he was he was fighting hard all night long. And the reason the sun's couldn't get rebound. Sometimes it's because LaMarcus Aldridge would just move people out of the way and and mykel would be one of those little Pinball's he he just bounced off of but what Is mikkel doing literally half a second after the ball hit the rim on that missed free. Throw Mikell is prone on the ground. You don't lose your balance like that. His head never should have been there for the ball to even come close to mounting off of it. Yeah, the whole fighting still have still a messed-up call though, and they don't all like spreading the only angle that's now going around. Whatever is the one that cuts off DeMar DeRozan and that part infuriates. Me, too. there is a second angle that shows it straight on you can seed erosions leg and you can see it actually hit Mikhail Bridges head and change directions not DeRozan Sneed that fats not that the the Rubio non-call is a bigger factor and Dave's right the Sun's made a lot of a lot of mistakes that cost them as much as the refs did it was just it was the case of Gregg Popovich's teams are always very Discipline in this son's team still learning how to be that and that was the difference in this one the rest just didn't do them. Any Ado the sun's any favors it. I'm not going to claim the rafts that that it's all their fault. The sons did plenty to put themselves in that position the big 8 point swing where we're Patty Mills made consecutive threes on possessions. That was that was those were bookends on the rest missing a an out of bounds off of the market. Aldridge that they didn't even take the time to review and you could even see it on Aldridge's face that he knew he was faking, you know his reaction pointing the other direction when the ball had clearly had gone off of him and then the sun's argued so badly they got themselves to technicals the including Devin Booker arguing in history clothes on the sidelines, but he walked out onto the court come on if there's any franchise in the freaking league and those don't step on the day in court. It should be that's on the Spurs. So Gregg Popovich. After the game said three words to somebody in the media and those three words were Phoenix got robbed and then he walked out of the room. Oh, no, I don't think that was like that was yesterday. I think I think Fox Sports Arizona thought it was yesterday, but I don't think it was I got to verify that the computer was saying that was him after a game a couple years ago. I gotta look at that look the strings. I don't think that was like yeah, I just I don't feel like they rob themselves as much as the rest Rob them and I love blaming the rest as much as anybody else. But there were there were little things that they did that they did wrong to like it. This is a team that sorry Tim I am wrong. I just looked it up. Somebody else had said it was a different day. He said more than three words, but he did finish with Phoenix got robbed absolute your walked out of the room hundred percent right? I know because it was a bad call. He knows it was a bad call everyone knows it was a bad call like you did that thing is I will never give the wraps a hard time about a bad call that isn't reviewed because they're humans and they make mistakes and there's a lot of things going on, but when you review something and you still make the wrong call Call yeah, that's that's when I get angry about it. Well, yeah that certainly frustrating case and I almost feel like when you go to that review, it should be somebody in the league office making that call not the group that that's sitting there that made the wrong call to begin with because sometimes self-preservation comes in and you don't want to necessarily admit that you were wrong. So you're biased towards the original decision. You made like We All Fall prey to that so I feel like it should probably be taking out of their hands at that point. So you remove that factor of it for sure. But man this team is still has an immense amount of heart to continue to battle in these games and in most cases battle back, even when they fall behind but they've got to learn how to close out and they just have not learned that that is that's Been a big part of a lot of these games this year, especially the close ones that they just they can't close out in the end real well, and that's that's the next Evolution this team needs to take if this is truly like everybody wants to wants to think this is a 40 plus one team in a playoff team. They've got to figure out how to win a game like that even if the refs are making bad calls. They've got to figure out ways to not foul on on a drive to Tie the game at the end to play better defense on the final shot to all these little things that it takes to be a winning team and they just they have not they have not closed out. Well yet and and granted on Saturday. They were playing without DeAndre Jordan and they were playing without Devin Booker but the Spurs are in a very good team either like that's just the reality of where the Spurs are this year so they should have been able to close. Close out with against that group and they just did not do little things that that it takes to win any NBA when it's a close game. There's been some people saying that the sun's need to trade for a new backup point guard instead of try to groom one of the ones they have or keep expecting things from Tyler Johnson and one of the names being thrown out there lately has been Patty Mills. Hey, the swords are not going to trade Patty Mills. They're not going to give up on the season, but but be holy crap. Patty Mills actually prove what a much better back up. He would be than Tyler Johnson Patty Mills took 14 three-pointers. He made he scored 26 points in the game. He wasn't very efficient at 23 total shots when he six points, but he was relentless on helping the Spurs win that game and how to tell the Johnson do and he was over. Well, that's the difference with the Patty Mills to is you saw it at the end of both regulation and overtime. This is a guy that just gets things done. You know that that's that's it. That's what he manages to do. Even in crunch time. He just has that ability to close out so So I want to get a couple of ctas out of the way first off. I want to thank a listener for being a supporter of the show Benny Campion copying. Excuse me. Thank you so much. We really do appreciate it. If you feel like you get a lot out of the solar panel podcast or the YouTube version of this and you want to become a monthly supporter hit the support the show button. There is a 1 5 or $10 option. If you do the $10 $10 option, I will personally send you some sun. Schwag we I really do appreciate your support there. If you want to support the show, you're watching on YouTube right now biggest thing you can do is hit that thumbs up button. It really does help with the YouTube's algorithms anything should we hold them should we call them podcasting supporters? Borders and no nobody jump to that one. I'm going to do it anyway, so let's talk about where the sun's all right now Sons now sit with a record of 11 and 14 as of the time of recording. This podcast is YouTube show which is on Sunday, December 15th. They're three and seven over their last ten. However over the last seven. I think that the three and four the sons and now sit in the eighth spot tied, The Kings and OKC With The Wolves Blazers and Spurs all within a couple of games essentially you have five teams right now that are all time that are all trying for those final two playoff spots seventh and eighth seed. I want to talk about some of the records of how some of those other teams. I've been performing over the last 10 games because I do think that this is interesting the Kings over their last ten or four and six, like I said, the sons are three and seven the Thunder are six and four. For the wolves are two and eight. They're losing every damn game that they can right now and the Spurs are five and five and the Trailblazers are also five point five. So the Spurs have had four straight overtime games in their three in one in those over times. I actually don't actually don't think the Spurs little little mini run is sustainable as it is. They may continue getting better because they have good veterans on that team, but this little run is a little bit. It's going to come back down to earth form unless they start playing better as a team. And Son should have beat him on Saturday. Look the the Blazers are the team that I think we all know. I think we all know are going to make make a run here. They've got too much star power on that roster to to not actually better than they're playing right now. But of the rest of those teams, I don't see one that stands out. Out as being significantly better than the sun's specially when you get eight and back in this fold, I don't think that there's anybody that's going to run away with that spot to the point where the sun's can't keep up but they need to find their rhythm again. They need to find what made them a darling in the first ten games of this season, and it was just that willingness to Pastor people on defense. And and really get people annoyed with them and Aron Baynes needs to reach happened to what he had there. And I think he will as he shifts back to that backup role one Satan gets back because it's less minutes, but he can expend more energy in that time. I think we'll we'll see some of that but they just need to find a rhythm. I still believe in this group. I think that this stretch reminds them. That they can't Overlook anybody that it's going to take an immense amount of effort to win but a game like Saturday night remind you this isn't the same team we've seen because in the past if last season even if aten and Booker out last season, they lose by 40 like there's just there's no doubt about it, you know. Are you currently paying off student debt? I know I am interested in improving your financial literacy or looking for new ways to earn income in today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on talk money with mesh lock any podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts and break down complex ideas to bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student debt and everything in between listen. Talk money with mesh lock any on Spotify or where every listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest and earn for today's economy. Yeah, you know, the team is really really interesting to me. Just because what do you expect is is the Oklahoma City Thunder how the heck are they? All right there at 11 and 14, they're being competitive and yet every single player on that team is expecting to be traded in the next two months, but they're somehow putting that aside and just winning games. Anyway, they're probably not going to make the playoffs. They're probably going to end up making trades. They're going to send Chris Paul somewhere. They're going to send Steven Adams somewhere. They're going to basically rebuild because they have 5,000 draft picks coming in the next few years and they want to develop Shake Gilda's Alexander and they're just so fascinating to watch. But yeah, you'd have to you kind of have to rule them out. At least I do the Timberwolves. I rule out as Greg said the Spurs. I just don't see it. I just don't. With the Spurs they may find that magic juice that and it could be, you know, the rafts that are the magic juice for them, but I just don't see it within the Blazers. They're relying on mellow and is really mellow the answer to making a playoff run anymore in his career are not really sure not so long term but I mean there's still you still got McCollum. You still got Lillard of the group. That one has the star power utak? Expect to be able to lift you out of out of a slump Mellows Mellows a nice a nice boost there. But that's the one I look at I think Oklahoma City. It just comes down to there's not much else to do in Oklahoma City. So you might as well at least try to be good at basketball if you're stuck there, but but yeah, you're right that's going to be a roster looks drastically different over the next two months and not one that trying to win necessarily so I think I think it's going to probably come down to the Suns and Kings looking at it. I think I think that probably where we're going to land out here at the end and I feel pretty good about the son's chances being better than the Kings. That is that is wild. So the sun's do have a really hard schedule coming up part of this hard schedule those worth noting and an addition that is very much going to be welcomed at this point in the season. So they have the Blazer and some of these games are they need to win these games too. So they have the the Blazers on Monday. You have eight and coming back on Tuesday. First the Clippers you have the thunder on Friday, then you have the Rockets the nuggets. Warriors the sun's desperately need to win at least two or three of those games. But especially they need to they need to get that W against the Blazers and they need to get that W against the Thunder but we do have eight and coming back first the Clippers on Tuesday. What kind of impact is is realistically should we expect for it to make this team? Well, I don't think you should expect much in game 1. I hope you see an immense amount of energy in a This from DeAndre eating but he's going to be rusty. I mean anybody that sits out 25 games whether he was practicing or not is going to wind up being Rusty so I don't I don't expect him to look like and all-nba player and game one. I expect them to be efficient. But I think it's going to take a few games from to find that Rhythm. But what we need to see is a guy playing with purpose a guy playing with a chip on his shoulder because He's embarrassed and he's upset and that's what the sun's need. They need an Engaged DeAndre and they need him to prove that he is evolved past what he was last year, which was very good. And we don't deny that on this show. We're not one of the groups that say, ah DeAndre and sucks. Yeah. No, he's a very very skilled big man, but he needs to take that next step and that I want to see that that energy that passion night. In night out and needs to be consistent, which is what was what was lacking in year one with him. So hopefully this this entire Saga has changed that mindset for him. That's the only positive that could come out of this is that he comes out more focused and playing harder than we've seen from him. Now. My biggest question is does Monte actually want him to stretch out that jumper and take threes. Not not an aggressive. Mmm. Not a huge amount but is he going to take three pointers at all? As he comes back? That'll be an interesting question for me. I expect his impact and in a week or so after he comes back to be very significant because it's going to change what they can do offensively Ricky Rubio now has a partner that he can lob to in this group. It makes the bench that much significantly stronger right because you've got Aron Baynes that shifts back to back. Up Center and put Frank Kaminsky back at his natural backup power forward position. So all of a sudden this bench is stronger than we've seen as well and we get to understand what that full vision that James Jones had for this roster when he put it together was now how Monty Williams at handles rotations will be interesting to watch to because this will obviously change minutes and how you're going to have to handle it with this group, but It means that basically your biggest question now becomes who was your backup point guard. It's not it's not how do you make the center position work? It's not how does Frank Kaminsky do out of position it simply becomes okay, everybody else lots and where we expected them to be. Now, how does backup point guard come but eaten should have a fairly significant impact. Even if I was just going to say that even a 8 and that is not quite at a hundred percent ready or polish at this point would still be a welcome addition. Of course. Yeah. Yeah on Saturday. We actually got the first game that I can remember where Frank Kaminsky and Dario sword both had good games at the same time. Usually they they trade off who's Have a good game. And one of them is just awful and Saturday. I know the reason I'm really disappointed. The sons lost is both those guys really played. Well da Richard said it had 17 rebounds and 19 points and Frank had over 20. It was a really really good really good game for both of those guys. But having said that aten will make things better. Aiden will provide a lot more size in the middle. He can get those rebound see that what there were the sons are still struggling? Is actually reaching up higher than anybody else to get rebounds and if they don't box out guys know I charge and Frank have done a pretty good job of boxing out so that the sons aren't getting killed. They were only outrebounded by 3:00 on Saturday against the Spurs. And so that's can now that the sun's will be a better rebounding team with Aiden. They'll be a better more efficient team on getting scores down near the basket when they need to have some quick scores so they don't have to have perfect ball movement every time. Or Booker going off or somebody making a bunch of Threes they can they can score the edge that you know in different ways when a man gets back. We'll the sun's be any better. Well, yeah, I mean they'll have they'll have a better chance to have a 7 to 10 point lead going into the last few minutes, but I don't you can't count on 8 and being the guy who's going to not make those boneheaded plays on like the sons did on Saturday Ricky Rubio made some boneheaded plays so and Aron Baynes even made a couple of things. Couple plays that could have been better. It's expecting Aiden to suddenly make the Suns win. These close games is top but expecting Aiden to help get the Suns in better winning positions. So the games aren't as close to the end. Absolutely. He's always been a winning type player in terms of doing all the stuff during a game to help you get closer in the score or take that lead. He's just still the two youngest guy on it. Let's remember he's still there. Very by far the youngest guy on the team. He just turned 21 this past summer. Whereas the rest of the team is 22 23, 24 25. There's a couple of guys over 25 and that's it. It's a really disappointing that Tyler Johnson can't be another vet that settles this team down this year. So right now all they have is Ricky Rubio and Aron Baynes being the settlers basically in calming guys down and making smart plays. Its we cannot expect the sons of Get smarter with eaten just because he's 21 years old, but we can expect them to be better and get it being better position to win on a nightly basis going into that fourth quarter. Look what you expect is. You don't expect him to change how mentally they played you're right, but what you hope in a game like it Saturday is against the Spurs is you're not in a position where it's that close to the end where those those mistakes become as catastrophic as they are because Eating should be able to help you put distance between you and teams that are significantly inferior and at full strength. I think the Spurs are significantly inferior to the sun's roster. The fact was they just weren't at full strength. So that's what you hope DeAndre and does to your point is is gives you a larger cushion. So you have a larger margin for error going into those final few minutes. He's definitely not going to make you smarter in those and those file minute. Or to any guy think are to expect him to I know people who don't fit no. No, he's a kid. He's not going to be the one who makes those game-changing smart plays. He might make some game changing athletic plays, but they won't be they won't be the veteran while he's smart boys. That's it. I hear you're a hundred percent right? It's it he's still a kid and that's acceptable. There's a lot he has left to learn but hopefully that that athletic impact earlier in the game gives you that that Better margin for can I talk for a second about the schedule not being anyone's anyone's friend right now. So Tim you talked about the upcoming games. They have Monday at home against Portland. That's after flying 6 hours 6 hours each way probably or minimum for even if it was a straight through to to Mexico City and back over the last three days getting constantly hounded by media all weekend almost like an All-Star Weekend kind of event where there is no downtime for these players. Is all weekend and then coming back and playing at home Monday night against the Trailblazers and then immediately the next night being in LA to play the Clippers on the road. And you know, how many as they have two sons play the Clippers not on a back-to-back in the last 50 years. It feels like every single Clippers game is of the on the back end of a back-to-back. You didn't even bring up the worst part of this right the sons of been in Mexico City dealing with all that the flight everything. I'm pretty sure the Blazers have been here since it since Friday. Yeah, the Blazers have not played since Thursday nights. Yeah, they and they were they showed video from the sun's practice facility yesterday that they were they were here chilling and Phoenix practicing and the sons are schlepping their their butts back and forth from Mexico City. So that doesn't exactly seem like the most Fair way to schedule something you do you think after the sun's do the league of solid and go to Mexico City To do this sacrifice a home game to go down there. These schedule makers wouldn't screw them over by having them play a team that's been sitting in their home City for four days and hasn't had to play since Thursday you well, you know, you know, you know it would help with this is what Bill Simmons has been calling for for a while, which is getting a 72 game schedule. I mean, honestly 82 games are just too many. There's always going to be unfair points and I agreed that this was not great by the schedule makers but every Team is just going to have a crap like this happen and if they could just get it everyone else had a look I get it. I get it that it happens. But the sun's literally did the Liga solid by going down there right that this was this is all about expanding the game. Yeah, they just is all about this is all about expanding the game. I understand that you're just going to get screwed sometimes in the schedule, but that does not seem like the time that the league should give a big F you You to a team in terms of that you would think you know, I get it randomly, but that's the one case that you would think they'd go. You know, what we're going to ensure that this isn't a potential schedule loss on Monday because of because of the fact is that the other team, you know, you're right. They should they should bring out somebody from the East, you know, actually the East has been pretty damn good this year. I just want to make one final point before we move on to talking about Trip potential trade is now that trade season has officially started. Is it with eight back in the lineup? The sons are going to have somebody that Ricky Rubio can actually pass the ball to roll to the basket. Which Aaron bands. I love him as a player. He's not a very good role man. I think that'll be amazing. Also just getting DeAndre Aiden to have the ability to get some putbacks, which is something that the sun's do not really have almost a use. We see like one a game, you know, you can count on two or three from DeAndre Aiden. Over the course of a game that's between four and six points, which is the margin and a lot of these games come the end of it. Anyway well and that the the cutting in the basket the lobs that's going to wind up opening up things for some of these shooters just the threat of that after after he gets back in the Rhythm and his passing. I think people under rate that but he's pretty damn good at even if he cuts gets the ball. He's very good at taking it back out to find the open man. So this Should make their shooting better as well. At least the looks that they're getting. I won't say it helps anybody else make them but it should give them better looks so all these little things should add up to a big impact moving forward. Yeah, I gotta get more integrated with the team now having said he won't be you know, he's got a reactivated himself after being out for so long. I mean he had a pretty darn good opening night and the first game of the preseason as well after having you know that these are these are each new experiences this year. He'll be good on his first night. What I want to see from him is consistency and consistent effort game to game. He was puts out effort. But I mean, I mean higher end. Brittany's given in the past. I mean you can he can roll out 16 and 10 on a night with a block I'd like to and I don't necessarily want to look accounting stats to be a deciding factor for him. I just think consistent effort is is important and should be expected. So trade season has officially started players that were signed over the summer can now be traded pretty exciting. We spend a lot of time talking about the sun's need for a power forward. I do think that that might change given the fact that we're going to have eight and back which means that a point that Greg brought up earlier. We're going to have Kaminsky as the backup power forward. I also think there's some opportunity for Monty Williams to play Aidan dare. I say at powerful Next to Aron Baynes. So to me that position isn't quite as important. I do want to jump ahead to my stat of the week really quickly because I want you guys to take this into account for discussing what the sun's need the most so my staff of the week the sun's also in the course of December the only two negative net rating 5 man lineups that they had in December the played any amount of meaningful minutes. Anyway, that wasn't garbage time both included tie Jerome at point guard and this is Godless of Devin Booker being on the court with him at the end of those quarters to close out games When Ty Jerome is the point guard for the sons their offensive rating drops u89. They have an effective field goal percentage of 39 percent a true shooting percentage of 41 percent and the page drops to a hundred and five down from a hundred twelve. So not only is he is slow player when he's running the point when he's running the point the senses aren't getting good shots, right individually tie. Jerome is offensive rating is a 76 which is That being said the Suns have a lot of backup point guards on the roster right now. None of which are playing very well, but there is also I think an argument for perhaps the sun's going after a solid backup to when Devin Booker isn't on the court and we've also spent a lot of time talking about the power forward position now that we're heading into trade season. What is the biggest need for this team right now? I still think it's a true backup point guard is Tyler Johnson isn't really a backup point guard. Elliot Kobo really isn't a backup for point guard. And Ty Jerome is a rookie who's coming off a serious injury that kept him out for the first five weeks of his rookie year, so you can't expect him to automatically step in and be exactly what you need. I think long-term he's got the passing ability to provide you with what you need, but I think you need to find a solid veteran backup point guard if if playoffs. What you're shooting for this year if that is if that is the goal if that's the the serious push that you want to make I think that is the most glaring hole you can you can survive with Frank Kaminsky playing hot and cold right? I mean you can you can survive there with him as your backup power forward. Now your backup center position is set you can deal with with Devin Booker's back up being some time. Times a Mikhail bridge is playing out of position or one of these small forward playing minutes. They're like but Backup backup point guard it grind your offense to a halt when you have a guy like Tyler Johnson out there or even Elliott Cobo whose offensive aggressiveness has been better from his own standpoint, but he's not getting his teammates involved and that's what you need. So I think backup point guard is is the The biggest need that isn't going to cost you a lot long term. It's finding that that that long-term answer it starting power forward but short term if you're looking at what can you fix it a cost that probably more palatable. It's backup point guard. Yeah. I like the I love the idea of a Patty Mills, of course after watching him score 16 or 26 felt like 62 points 26 points on Saturday and making In all the big shots, man that guy he is a fireplug. That's for sure. He'd be fun to have on the team someone like a JJ Redick to run around screens and and make more even more shots. But I really think the player needs to be a have a defensive skill set to him. And so because really that's where the suns are struggling. I mean, they're still sixth in the league and offense. They're doing fine on offense, especially with eight and coming back. They're going to be even more than fine on offense. Were you got to have some better skill is on defense and in the sun's whoever they acquire can't just be simply an offensive player. They got plenty of those. So I would rule out a JJ Redick for that reason but there's got to be somebody out there. They can acquire that that for a wing, you know guard position. Someone who can back up Rubio and also play, you know, next table hooker in Rubio has some size can shoot and Can-can. Least put out, you know maximum effort on defense. That would be really fun to see Ty Jerome as you pointed out Tim. He's just been god-awful and he's just not ready. The NBA is too fast for him right now doesn't mean he's not going to turn into a really good NBA player. It just means that in this moment. He has not been very good. He's been he's been he's been bad real bad really bad not seeing that. He died your own did not play a minute on Saturday. And it was Elia Kobo as the backup, but Kobo did not have a great game. So unfortunately for a Kobo he didn't set the world on fire and Tyler Johnson got minutes without without Devin Booker in the lineup. Mikal Bridges started and that was good. I really thought that was a good plan to start mikkel Bridges. So you have more defense out there throughout the game, but Tyler Johnson got some run and it was bad. And so those guys had a chance. Us to step up and say this is my position. Neither of them. Did it Monty might give them seems like he gives three or four game runs two guys. So we might see the Kobo Tyler Johnson combo for another week or so and see how that goes. I don't know what happened to Heather Johnson. He's he's just not very effective right now in this in this offense inhabitants here. So what's your prediction then regarding the trade trade season trade season? I think it's going Be a perimeter player guard size two can back up Rubio in spots kind of like and not necessarily different than Tyler Johnson where he's not really an assist guy, but he can run a team and not make boneheaded mistakes. So that's I think they'll probably end up doing that. That's my prediction. Yeah. I mean, that's what it comes down to you. Just you need a guy that can keep the offense column cannot turn over. The ball can can keep guys involved. Moved and just keep a consistency when Rubio is off the floor. What what intrigues me and I'm going to play pie-in-the-sky, you know, let's let's go. Hey, what's the ideal situation? If Minnesota keeps losing like this at what point does karl-anthony towns, just pull the I'm done with this right? I mean you're sitting up there. It's winter in Minnesota. You literally have to walk through glass to Walkways to get anywhere in the city because it's too cold to actually be outside and you're losing like this it what point does he just go I'm done with this crap. And if you're the sons, that's when you go. All right. Now it's time to consider acquiring one of Devin Booker friends because that's the guy that of the group that you would really want. Right? Like absolutely that's pie-in-the-sky if everything were to work out that guy becomes available. That's the most interesting. Freaking thing to me this trade season. I don't think it happens before the trade deadline. I have a feeling if it's going to happen. It's probably the offseason when he pushes for something like that, but man that's sitting there knowing they're two and eight in their last ten. Just you look at it and you go. I really hope that happens. Yeah, that's why that's why I become even more hesitant on the Kevin Love thing as I think more about it is okay sure, you could you could put some assets. Of that and get a guy that could potentially be an answer at power forward for short term. But if you make that move and then Karl Anthony towns becomes available, even if it's for five months later, how pissed off are you at that point? Like that's that that's the guy that you've been waiting for to push all your chips in. Absolutely. I think if you had a chance to acquire karl-anthony towns, I think you do whatever it takes. I really do. I think he is who we want Aiden to be what if what if what if they require Devin Booker and return? No, no. No, then you tell him to take a long walk off a short pier and you hope that eight and becomes that guy's just swapping one who needs a second to for another who needs a second guy. So now pissed with both of them be to oh my gosh, I'm going to Phoenix. Wait Devon's going back going back to Minnesota like them. Yeah, I would do and some people can remember this and call me on it later. But I would definitely obviously do Aidan because you don't you know, that is the swap that Minnesota be interested in and I would include a mikal bridges in that because karl-anthony towns has has that star power and has reached that that where you want to eat and to be and the two of them with Booker and towns with a Rubio. And a sharp edge and guys like that around them to be smart players. I think that can really push you right into solidifying perennial playoff contention. Yeah, and look. I'm a True Believer and at some point you were going to have to make a major move because this is no matter the Devin Booker is he's getting better and getting more clout with with players around the league at some point. You're going to have to acquire somebody via trade to bring them bring them in here because The chances that you're going to land the big fish and free agency your gambling there, right? The only thing you can truly control is is trading for a guy and I think it's some point that's that's the move. The sons are going to have to do the question is how long do you wait and what guy are you do you wait for so you arranged? Which was at least a third of the league if not half a leak. There has not been a trade in the NBA since July and this is the first time the NBA has gone this many days in an eligible trade period without having a trade be recorded as the first time ever. So there will be trades. We just haven't seen them yet. And I'm just curious to see how different this league is going to look in a month or two months. I would I would either you be willing to bet a mortgage payment or in your case a rent payment Dave on the sun's making a trade before the deadline. Yes. I will bet Dave's a rent payment on now. I think I think they will make a move. I don't know that it's going to be a big move, but I think they will make a move. I won't make any bets. There's there's quite add there's quite a chance that they won't. Don't know enough Jane Jones already said he wants to wait a month one Satan's back. If Booker's out for a significant amount of that time. He's going to want to wait even longer. I don't I don't think you might see a little tinkering around the edges, but that will have to be a great Tinker opportunity. That doesn't really hurt the team in any possible way. It won't be a bit. I'm not going to get anything on a big trade there might be a small trade. I don't think aten and then that whole Went to James Jones make impacts trying to find a backup point guard. I think that was more in reference of we're not going to make some some move to acquire some big-name power forward or something like that till we understand what we have with Aiden and that group once we understand that rotation. I think it has very little impact. If you're looking at backup point guards, I would be surprised if they have an expiring 19 million dollar contract that they Just let expire. And a guy that's not that's clearly not contributing to any sort of when's for the team. It's not like I would just I would be pretty surprised third position. They're in is they can't actually use that 19 if they let expire because they're over the camper other reasons next summer. So right there is a little bit of incentive to try to do something about it. But having said that they'd probably just have to acquire another 19 million dollar contract or something like that. Again, Jeff Teague peoples are not Jeff Teague name, that would be interesting as a veteran backup point guard. He's also about the same salary and expiring I believe so that would be that would be more like a type of move where where James Jones didn't last year swapping Ryan in or since big contract with without a rotation spot for Tyler Johnson. Now a year later, maybe Tyler Johnson without a rotation spot for somebody who could be in the rotation for about that that contract so that's that's kind of the kind of thing that that James has done in season before so that kind of trade would not surprise me, but then you go back to that and I think you're going to have to if you're looking at that you're going to have to gamble on a guy that's a question mark and and some way right which leads me back to Kevin Love if they're going to if they're an example is Big contracts for guys who may or may not end up in the He is a good swamp. Yeah, that guy from a Minnesota wouldn't do it. I mean if you throw in like a second round pick, I mean they're otherwise not going to get anything for Teague. Right but they don't think it's only like literally does they aren't starting a point guard right now, like it really need a point guard and and if they have any sort of playoffs hopes, it's not going to be and believe me. They have play a playoff aspirations because the town's this is this is exactly what people should be thinking about right Tim. They're not even starting T. That's how bad he's been in. And they need a point guard. Right? So it's not going to be it's not going to be for Tyler Johnson. You know, they're going to say hold on. Give us you were give us a worse backup point guard because we're really going to just blow this season knowing that Karl Anthony towns really wants to make the playoffs like that unless the Sun so in like a first-round pick, I just I don't see it working become Bridges and I don't think the sun's wanna trade Mikhail Bridges and kill Bridges. It is very valuable. You want to get crazy. Plenty of the sons acquired Jeff Teague as their trade with Minnesota this year. That would only be if Minnesota is punting and they sent kitty cat somewhere else that would be disciplined. How about you want to get crazy if Portland continues their slide and one of those guards become available, do you get you get crazy? Do you consider getting crazy and picking up one of those guys? Look if we're going to play if we're going to do what it what I advise against and let friends Use ESPN trade machine like it does something like that Intrigue you. Do you go? Hey a little early McCullum, I mean is casually throw out one of those guys when one of them is Damian Lillard, I'm just saying at some point Portland got to look at that and go. Alright, we've got what we cook it in a Damian Lillard. I don't know but the question is do you do you mess with the chemistry of what's going on here and you can get Damian Lillard if you can get them out. We think we're really talking about CJ. Column, right? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I highly doubt they're going to move Damien not going anywhere McCollum CJ McCollum. Is that dude real I can do you really want to do that? Because he's making vulgar money, you know, and he's not going to be your starting point guard next to Booker. So he would be your guy off the bench and you don't want to pay your guy your third guard 2530 million dollars and Sons could go crazy and start Rubio Booker and McCollum. Hey look, Let's let's be honest here. They're already paying their third guard 19 million dollars right now, you know, you don't want to commit to that for the next several years. That's that's fair. Let's just say so. All right, you guys want to do suppose the donkey Lord? We got a good one this week. We need we need something for this. I need you to make a real award that we can email. These people are something but but this week I struggled there were two that. We're well deserving of it. The honorable mention was Valley of the sun's for did you see this tweet yesterday. They see a clip of DeAndre and practicing right from the sun's account and somebody over there decides to tweet about how looking at this makes me makes me think this isn't it in all a very athletic all-time athletic kind of guy. There's all sorts of concerns. It was literally like a 30 second clip of DeAndre and running a drill there was nothing to To it. It's just asinine but this week's donkey goes to and to remind you. This is this award was named after the late. Great Nate Duncan who has blocked every Suns fan because well he's an ass. So and these this award honors tweets that make you go. What the hell were they thinking this week? It goes to Dana Scott over at AZ sent through tweeted out a Dwayne Rankin piece that said quote. Could Monty Williams eventually become the New York Knicks prodigal son returning to where? Began his NBA career as a player. It's being silly Pete white writer, Dwayne Rankin analyzes this as well as other top story lines. Okay, I don't this is no disrespect to Dwayne because I actually understand the position. He's in he's being told generate clicks at all cost because that's what you're being judged on and have you painted new york-based. Yeah, like so to me, I don't blame Dwayne I blame the system that Dwayne has to work within right not even I don't even blame. I don't know Dana Scott. I don't even I don't even blame that person. Tweet. I blame the system that they find themselves in the fact that journalist now writers like this or required to generate paid views at all costs. That's what's trying to keep these these Publications afloat and in turn its sacrifices all quality and credibility because you've got to do anything to get people to click in a world that's full of just ridiculous noise. We've seen it with si in their new ownership with Maven where they fired pretty much anybody with credibility to base. Ali click create a click farm, right? It's all about clickbait right now and it's ridiculous. You should not be basing this stuff on how many people click it should be all about who's consuming at a large rate for a long period of time. It's about time on site and it's asinine that these guys are put and these and these women as well are put in this situation where all that matters is how many clicks can you generate because it creates a lot of crap. It does not create interesting compelling storylines are unique. He nians it creates crap entire sites of crap for that matter. So for that Dana Scott and really more the management at AZ Central you win the donkey award this week. I think I was pretty good at word, right? Thank you. Yeah, obviously Dwayne rank in the last thing he's sitting up at night thinking about is whether money William should end up in the Nixon two or three or four years or five years after his contract is up. That's a last thing Dwayne wants to worry about right now. I put some in a crappy position because then you know Monty Williams sees that I'm sure he does and then it's just this awkward thing. It makes it it makes issues with probably with Dwayne and the organization was like, why are you bringing this up during during a run? And the answer is simple, he's got bosses that are pushing him to direction that you never should be pushed. Yeah, good one Greg. All right. Well, that was it was good. I liked it. It was good. Your your praise is is all I live for Tim. All right, especially that especially that enthusiastic praise that you just provided there. So, oh my gosh, okay. So we get 8 back this week the Suns have really tough schedule. They're tied with the whole bunch of teams for 8 in the west should be pretty telling hopefully we're going to be back this this Wednesday. I guess it just kind of depends on whether or not They're playing that night and I dare not play Monday Tuesday so we can dissect what DeAndre and dozen his first game back against the Clippers on Wednesday. So which by the way, I guess I'll point out to anybody that for whatever reason it takes time out of their schedule to make sure that they can watch us on Wednesday nights. We have internally seem to figure out on accident that it be sons are playing that evening. We are not going to record an episode. So just an FYI if the suns are playing on Wednesday, we will not be live during that game unless it's some weird. East Coast game where we can go live right after it finishes, but we figure you're all watching the sun's and not watching three guys sitting in their homes talking about the sun's when they're playing. So without it watching the game is currently on. Yeah. We we have a good feeling that that's the way that would net out. So let's we want to watch the game and sometimes Dave's actually at it so depends on who they're playing sometimes I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, so but this Wednesday, they're not playing. It all that I am I am Brody in the tattoo said Espio is the Charlemagne of the solar panel. I'm not really up on my history. Does anybody get the Charlemagne reference? You're probably just a mass murderer. I mean, I think that shortly I'm just I'm just saying people left and right. Is that what we're going for? They're all right Charlamagne. Hi Charlamagne. Tha God known American radio presenter title. I think that's what I don't think that's where they were going. I love I am Brody went to Dennis Miller Charlemagne baby. Like he is a co host of the nationally syndicated radio show The Breakfast Club with DJ Envy. So you are I haven't spent a lot of Dino of the show, but I haven't spent a lot of time. Whatever I didn't get the reference as well. I'm Not Cool is what I'm trying to let you all know and I don't think that comes comes off as a a surprise for Betty people trade season thing. I posted a poll just a few minutes ago and we've gotten a hundred one votes in 20 minutes of yo Sons fans. What position is most in need of a betrayed in the next two months. I had power forward back up shooting guard and back. Backup point guard. Which one do you think one? Don't look at Twitter Backup backup point guard. Actually what's winning is power forward with 47% of the vote two votes actually a hundred ninety two votes 47% of the vote goes to power forward man. People just don't appreciate Dario storage and that guy that guy is killing it lately. It's that haircut job. Yeah. Okay. So stop looking at his face and his hair and all that stuff. But man, that guy has been balling out. It is averaging a double-double over the past couple of weeks. He's getting those rebounds of the sun's need so badly. He's playing positional defense. He's boxing out. He's doing everything he possibly can and people just don't appreciate him. I'm disappointed in Sons fans on Twitter, but they say, he's one of replace. Did you just call him that Jared Dudley of power for didn't Jared Dudley the Jared Dudley of power forward Jared Dudley is masquerading as a pelican. You know, he's a wing he just grew out of it. But by the way Brody confirms that Tim is right. So mark it down Tim's finally right on the show. Yeah. I was right earlier. When you go tried to call me out on that Gregg Popovich. That was Dave. I did not happen on that. Well, it really was it's so confusing but that is the case. It was January 29 3 said Son Rob so that's two straight Seasons where the sun's got robbed in Spurs game. I really feel that Gregg Popovich. Just trolling Sons fans. I don't think that's great pop of is really feeling like the sun's got robbed. So so probably him and he tweeted last January. That's why it's taking off by the way. I'd like to let everybody know as we're talking trade. We did attempt to trade Dave to every other Sons podcast. Nobody will Nobody bet so he's here for the long run a Johnson of NBA podcast. Yes, we try to trade to every other podcast except for uh, seven seconds or less. We didn't we didn't submit carried off of there. They would write me too. We just offered to give them we offered to give them Dave with nothing in return and still no that was that would have been a salary. On Wednesday Arizona time. We will see you guys then. Enjoy DeAndre and return everybody.

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All right, welcome back to best our of their day. We're continuing our series of bringing on the derelict doctors. And today. We have a new friend of mine. Ron Torrance. I met Ron couple weeks ago is working to level 1 and where were we Tampa and I was with a good buddy. You're good buddy Nunu and he invited you and your fiance not quite white Veil yet out to dinner and then we all just kind of hit it off, I think. I think that's pretty common amongst the CrossFit Community. We just make friends pretty easily. Would you agree with that? Oh Harvey said I think I think we know a lot about CrossFit and what that brings us together as a community, but then we start nerding out about whether it's about we ate the bone marrow at the restaurant right? Where said they're going why is this so much better for us and like we we didn't necessarily like it the most but it was something that we talked about but I feel like everybody in the CrossFit Community is going to be somebody that No, it's going to finish. Something isn't going to quit on you. There's a lot of things that actually bring us together as a community and they're also going to do you're going to support each other right? Another some things that I think that Community aspect really is a good foundation and something that I talk to patients about all the time or it's exercise diet sleep Stress Management, and then you need that Community component and that's really what the CrossFit Community brings. You know, that's a good point because we tell people, you know every box at some point we'll have a cheater someone that shaves reps and often my responses. Who cares that person will weed themselves out and it's the same principle that you just said, I don't care how fit you are and I don't care if you're scaling I care that you did the work and I care that you're you know, doing your best and and and that's really what you've just said what what I want though. I kind of gave a really broad brush overview is it truth is I don't know but, you know tell me all about yourself and if you wouldn't mind your fiance as well, so we we sat down at Tampa you news like these are my two. And and by the way, he won't tell you this but he goes he goes beforehand. It was me Katie and noon and he's like just so you know, they're really high energy, you know, and I'm like, all right, you know and it's a Saturday night and for the record after day one of a level one, you're a little tired, you know, you're looking forward to a chill night, but your energy was definitely contagious like Katie Nunu and I were definitely after like that was oh, yeah and that we had an intern there as well. Well, and you know, we were all just like wow. Their energy was fun. Like it was like hi, but it wasn't like I need to get away from these people high either. So thanks for that and again right away. I was like, I got to get this guy on the show. You were great, dude, but but let the listeners know who you are. Yeah. So, I'm Ron horns. I'm a Deo and my practice is based out of Tampa and Sarasota Florida. My practice is regenx Tampa Bay. So I specialize in Orthopedic regenerative medicine with That being mostly platelet-rich plasma and bone marrow derived stem cells. And so we treat Orthopedic injuries differently than 95 to 99% of the orthopedic world. We like to call ourselves Interventional Orthopedics Specialists. And that's something that really I've had my shoulder treated and I think everybody's had some sort of injury to deal with it. They've been in CrossFit something that happens is when you're active you're doing something something is inevitably going to inevitably going to come up to bother you and I Love this approach I get up screaming passionate about it. As you said my energy I just love what I do. So, I think that just kind of comes out and me when anybody talks to me is that I just love what I do and love meeting with people. I really feed off people's energy and I think that new no, noo noo has a lot of energy of self. So I don't think is himself credit there and I think it's just a kind of a conglomeration of you know, friend seeing each other in different areas and really bringing all that energy to the same space. So that's what I do. That's why I specialize in so I specialize in regenerative medicine doctor of Osteopathic Medicine my fiancee she's chiropractor and she specializes in musculoskeletal medicine. She was a former rosti. So she was one of the clinical directors for rosti before we met at the 2016 regionals during the last event when I don't know whether you remember the 2016 Atlanta Atlanta regionals Evans was up on the rope and did he clinched your did he not before he touched? The pole and that's when when Abby and I met so it's something that's very memorable for us for like we're sitting there watching it. We're sitting there going. I don't know like they're going back to the film and then that subsequently made him not actually finish. So it was Crawford brought us together. And so now we kind of have a very unique practice where I do a lot of the regenerative treatments. She sees people post procedurally through our joint owned love Health where the most important relationship of your life is your health, and we really want to try to get people back to doing Things they love because that's what we love to do. And we want to make sure it's you get back to activity motion is lotion that kind of thing. So, I think it's a good induction you doing anything else. I'm also I'm also one of the dearly doctors as you said very nicely the DDC. I was out there this past weekend and it was super fun. We were we didn't work out with Dave and in traditional day fashion, he kind of like stumbles through the workout and the super fun because he's like what we're going to do. We're going to do burpees over each other and then Then we're going to run and we're gonna walk out we're going to run this and then we're going to we're going to progress up 10-10-10 out parking spaces and this can be 10 rounds and it was like just super fun because once you get to know Dave outside of the CrossFit games, that's really kind of the cool thing about Dave Castro is he's working when he's at the CrossFit Games. He's not being rude to you but he's at work and this is the biggest this is his Super Bowl and he's not trying to be rude, but he's really got to get his team and his crew in the right places and he's by one of the nicest guys, you know. I met out there along with Greg and just love it out there. So good energy and atmosphere and we're trying to really expose the truth about medicine. So that's really kind of where I'm a nutshell and yeah, and also also known well, let me kind of next thing. So I also own a box in Philly where I did all my training and that's CrossFit love and head up there this weekend. We're having a Christmas party, but definitely that's where I kind of got my start and went down the rabbit hole. Oh love CrossFit and enjoying what I do. So I really love what I do and I hope I can make sure every else loves what they do. Well, you gave us definitely the elevator pitch but couple things that you hear that one. I think it needs to be said that Dave Castro gets a bad reputation, you know for sure and I think he is one of the nicest and most genuine people and he's one of those people that you know, if you were in a bind he'd be there absolutely and you know, so I think people kind of see this image that he portrays and you know, they seem at the As we know where he barely says a word but he's busy and at the end of every game he made sure that he makes a point to say hi to the judges and Shake our hands and make sure that we get, you know, a little kudos for all the hard work. So definitely Dave gets a bad rap what youth funny bring up the Atlanta Regional the so I was pretty friendly with Jeff. I let me know when I lived in Florida his box about 30 minutes away. But yeah, I remember what he didn't make it and one of the judges I've heard the story numerous times. His name is Mike G of He meant Mikey I think so if I saw my probably know, you know, when you're ready. He's no longer with Crossfit. He's with the salt bike. He's been on the podcast but he's the one that came over to Jeff and made that call and when the cameras showed it he kind of put his hands up in the air. Like I told you guys he didn't do it and Dave yells at him to this day because it's like as a judge you should be unbiased and he was in the call, but after She just wanted to let everybody know that he was right, but but they've kind of talked about that and yes, unfortunately cost Jeff a spot at the games. But and lastly you brought up CrossFit love I think you and I talked about it, but cross the love was actually the 1000 affiliate. Yes. Yes. I was a true. So you get free affiliate fees. I believe back in the day that maybe you don't get it anymore. But originally when they got that I remember there was a whole thing going on as probably 2008 and I knew the original owner of cross. For love and he got free affiliate dues for life at the time. Yeah, so lots to talk about but lets you know, the people listening to the CrossFit Health episodes really want to hear about what's going on in California when you guys are out there and you and Abby go out there what quarterly now It's roughly quarterly. Yes that did he sees are usually quarterly so the next one's going to be February 2nd. That's actually the day before my birthday. We are intending on going out at this point and it's something where I make the time to get out there because there's a lot of good speakers that come to the to the CDC and the the host now has become it was Pat Sherwood petrol and still is the host but what they've graciously done is Gary tabs, who is the writer and author of good calories bad calories he also Another book called why we get fat. He's also coming out with another book but these are really what exposed the lipid hypothesis how actually how wrong the lipid hypothesis was according to according to Gary taubes that he's an investigative journalist who people don't know him. He's fantastic. We have a read through these books definitely check them out a good calories bad calories and why we get fat and it's talking about how we really demonized fats and made them the source of problems for medicine and Andrea. They it's not the fats that are the problem is really these sugars. And what we did was we really caused people to start decreasing their consumption of fats. And what we've seen is the increase increasing rise of obesity diabetes since that's happened because what do we play at replace fast with we replaced with carbs carbs are easy easier to eat. They cause you to increase your caloric consumption and it's usually, you know, very empty calories. And those are those are increasing calories. So, you know, A lot of people that go. Well your demonizing it's saying that you know, the sugars is causing the problem. I would say that the consumption of sugar causes an increase of caloric intake which we all know, if you increase your caloric intake a coupled with you know caloric intake you're going to cause an increase in weight gain and if it's carbohydrates usually it's in the abdominal tissue the abdominal fat so that's something that really isn't that's one of the biggest things that we talked about out there and Gary taubes is really the kind of like the guy who's like the host down this week this past weekend. And you know, we had four different speakers one one was very memorable. She talked about she was a female and she talked about sexual dysfunction and how obesity is causing you not be able to get erections and that's part of the really the vascular problems that come when people get obese and they caught they cause a lot of vascular issues. She was super super funny and they pat Sherwood said that she's also a stand-up comedian which I wouldn't Out she was pretty entertaining. The other person was a scene for his name a seam. He's a he's a cardiologist out of England and he works for the like the NIH I believe right now and he was fantastic. He was super well-spoken and talks about really how the industries of you know, sugar really kind of have paid off a lot of the journals and making making the journals really kind of show us that you know, you can do they pay for all these studies and if the study isn't show what they wanted to show they pretty much just squash the study and at the end of the day, you know, you know, I think that Sugar causes overconsumption of calories which causes are really our General Health to go down and if we can really get off the couch and off the carbs, that's really the Mantra that we really go with the DC. So so you guys all get out there and is it just a bunch of crazy doctors that are like the you know, we are doctors in your world that don't believe Honestly don't believe but don't prescribe to what most other doctors do is it just like a party the entire time or are you guys studying and thinking about how to advance this is it just casual get-together? It's like what goes on at these DC's I give us the backstage pass. If you will since most of us will never get to check these out great question. And what I what I would relate this to is when you go to water palooza when you go any of these sanctions, right? Right, if you're not participating in the sanctions, what is it about? It's about the relationships that you build and I think that's that's for any conference that you go to sew this conference is more about linking up like-minded people to run try to really solve the problem. That is the Healthcare System right? It's not a Health Care System. It's a sick care system. We treat the people when they get sick, we don't prevent problems at this point. We just treat people when they get sick, so we'll give you a diabetes medication when you have diabetes will give A hypertensive medication we have hypertension. And when one of the best prescriptions is physical fitness and diet exercise and diet. So that's really why you know, and also you can talk about this at the level one. What's the first part of the pyramid for the level one do trician, right? Absolutely. So so that's really really where I think the biggest misconception is, you know, we're not going out there and having a big party. We're actually trying to figure out ways to make our system a better system and right now it's Broken, it's really, you know almost over 11 percent of our GDP. Last time I checked was out was our healthcare system and it continues to climb because it's a sick care system and the more sick we get people the more drugs they take the more money that gets fed back into the pharmaceutical industry which then ends up doing this vicious cycle. So and that's why you know, if we don't fix this, you know, we're going to we're going to really go broke the country's gonna go broke up because the healthcare So that's what we're trying to fix. We're trying to expose the truth and really try to start. You know, that's really the CrossFit Health. It starts with the truth. And once we expose the truth, we can figure out that from that bad. Imagine. There's a little bit of partying going on. So so so let me I'll give you my my this past weekend. So I flew into Santa Rosa. We got the drive down over the Golden Gate which is super fun. Never been over the Golden Gate Bridge. And so that was on Saturday. Okay, so we get there and so first night. Right. I worked with Daniel Hale and organized a little mixer. So for we can all get together and again have those conversations. What are you doing in your practice? How can we help our patients more? How can we do those things? You know, you're having a drink but you know, it's something where this is, you know, you're trying to have a drink to try to help solve problems. The guy I spoke to he was out there. Please put his name up, but he's got a direct primary care practice that he has started. And he was he had 6,000 patients in his practice before having to having to care for 6000 patients and he told everybody he gave them a letter and said Hey, listen, I'm only accepting 350 patients from a direct primary care, which will be $75 a month so that you can have access to working with me more one-on-one and I don't have to see a huge number of patients and this is something that's really big push and movement right now because you can't functionally see 6000. Patience and your panel and really have people actually have more than 5 minutes 10 minutes with the with the doctor now direct primary care practice allows for more time with your doctor, which is what we're trying to do trying to really push the envelope and try to do a better way to prevent problems before they become problems. So that's a you know, so that was the first sudden I saw walk you through the whole weekend. So it was it's like this through. Yeah, so so that was the first conversation we had and then Tom McCoy. He's a So he was there as well. He's a ER doctor at a he's a he's a director for a regional hospital in in California. He shows up pretty frequently and he's been there pretty pretty religiously. So we talked I talked with him about just about you know, what that looks like in that from the other side right the reverse side of the coin, you know, they have this guy who's going into direct primary care, which is more the preventative side. And we also have the side where you know, Tom he's seen people come in with diabetic ketoacidosis with problems that are preventable if they start doing exercise and eating right but they're coming in and they're just going doc. Give me a pill or you know, and they're dying and before we 50 from heart attacks and they're not taking care of themselves and they fall down they break their hip because they don't have exercise because of osteoporosis or osteopenia. These are things that are really plugging our health care industry. And so these conversations are really good to have because he sees that side and he's like, you know having a kid who's 16 come in to come in and He's a diabetic ketoacidosis. That's because he's got type 2 diabetes at 16 years old. He's 400 pounds and he's you know, he's essentially become a you know, it's it's the it's not really the direct result of his fault, but I think it's upbringing we got to really work on figuring out how to correct his dietary habits, which probably start with this family which you're probably also overweight or obese and having problems. So it starts the beginning and you have to start with the exercise and you know exercising Diet again going back to nutrition really kind of hammering that home and making sure that people are eating right and same way from sugars and processed foods. So that's kind of like what we did on Saturday night. And this one they watch the fights good fights, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was man. Finally got home. I think said, yeah, I thought I thought Covington. I mean you had a broken jaw in the third round. I think he did a just shows a tough. Those guys are but This is also coinciding with a level one. Correct? Yes. So so the GDC is the are the people who have gone to the level one already. So the level one for the new MD level ones they go out on they get there on Saturday morning and they do their Saturday class. It's a typical level 1 and they go through the typical level one training really and with one caveat, you know someday Greg came. Came and spoke to all of us the DDC and the level 1 at CrossFit HQ do and gave us a talk about really why this weekend was actually I don't know if you guys saw the recent settlement for four million dollars from the NSA was an essay and is C so the nsca and they're they're deleting files and all this kind of stuff and we had a really good breakdown on what actually happened there. It was pretty pretty appalling to see what the NSA went through to try. You really damaged called crossfit's culture and crossfit's across its name, right? They pretty much slandered CrossFit or is it or is it was libel or slander It Was Written right? So it's thing is liable. I'm not either way. They yeah, they lied about CrossFit and injuries and all that good stuff. So it's nice to see that it was finally resolved in CrossFit was you know free and clear of all of those. So as someone you mean you're really fit guy, You know you do Ragnar races, you compete locally all that kind of stuff. I think one of the biggest push backs that we got in the community is when coach glass were made a lot of shifts in the last year to write. So via the website be it, you know the shift from Regional the sanctions with a little less emphasis. It seems like on competition, although this year is super exciting and I think you know, it's pretty cool to see long-term. His vision is actually working. Yeah, right, you know really his goal is to push Health. Where do you what do you tell people that are out there that are you know, I love Crossfit because of this or that and now it's like this guy's just trying to push Health like as a doctor. What do you say to those people and how do you feel about it? So it's a great question and Greg Greg says it best Pat says it best Sherwood and there's a picture with starting a Legends course and Masters course and this is where I think Ink that we we forgotten where we are roots are as a CrossFit Community. This is It's a community and the it's you know, you're only as strong as your weakest link and you got to cheer on even the last person finishes and that's really what this is all about. Right skinny people healthier and getting people off the couch off the carbs and and you know, if you're if you're your mom or grandma or sitting there and they're trying to get their their their groceries to the house, what do they have to do on a regular date? Basis if they have to put their grocery down front door, if to do a deadlift and the squat and then to do these fundamental things and if we're not focusing on health, you know, we're going to continue to you know, getting those people in to do some exercise and movement and that's really where I think that we've kind of Forgotten Our Roots. The games are the CrossFit Games. They were something that came on, you know, kind of like got everything notoriety but CrossFit as a whole and as a as what this was based on, you know, the level 1 Ian's the first first box right? We have to make sure we focus on what's the most important thing the people who come in the gym it kind of frustrates me when I see people come in the gym with the donuts and all these kind of things that are super super unhealthy super sugar packed and I'm sitting there going like, you know, like come on guys. I mean like this is you know, or you know, especially if it's a coach right if it's if it's if it's somebody a member of the Hey listen, you know, it's okay to have a cheat day every once awhile and they have it you have a good snack and stuff, but I really we've got to leave. Example and a lot of times we forget what we're trying to do. It's not about how how strong the strongest one is, but it's how strong the whole Community is and that's why Sparta was as strong as they were back in mythology, right? They they were they were strong if one Shield or one she had went up or one Shield got taken down. The shield was the most important part in in Sparta because they had as a team. Now if your shoulder your helmet came off that didn't bother anybody, but the Shield would make a weak Link in the whole line and cause people possibly to defeat defeat the Spartans. So we gotta remember that we have to help and raise up every person in the community and it's not just one person. That is our community. It's every single member in your general. I like that. Yeah, and you know, I think there's a lot of people myself included who probably you're guilty of. Hey, we bring in these Foods in that foods for fun or post-workout and you know, we use that kind of excuse of oh glycogen. We have to replenish it. But yeah, there's probably people with the box that are struggling with their nutrition and maybe no matter what their workout look like shouldn't be having a donut post-workout and it's important to remember, you know, I know when I've had my boxes or even just been a coach's box as you bring in the leftovers from you know, the holidays that were about to have but yeah, you're you might be able to hold strong and and have willpower but the other people might not be able to so we're do you see it you kind of have an Side view and you hear coach Glassman talked last week. Click. Where do you think we're going, you know, 2018 and 2019 where a big change for a lot of people from you know, the the change in the Regionals to to opens to the change in the website January 1 of this past year. What do you think's going to happen in 2020 and Beyond? So they 20 and 20 and Beyond really we're going to be more of the first 2020s. Give me the first new year of the actual the open being in October and being officially in October. I think it's going to be good because quite frankly I'm worn out I did both opens and and I quite frankly I've been trying to do this the million meter row and it's been very very taxing, but it's almost been good because it's almost like my active. Cover after a whole year when you're doing you know, you get 10 weeks of the open and giving your all on all these workouts and sometimes repeating them. If you're somebody who really is really like passionate about it. You're really putting your CNS on overload and I'm super excited to see kind of what this year plays out. Like I do think that you know, I think the website is fantastic now, I think it's got a lot of good stuff, you know, get your family into the boxes. I think that that's really what we're you know, we're working on for this year. I can tell you that. Sherwood and Nicole Carol are working on really making sure that we have things that people can do at home when they're when they're on their couch or by their couch. I think you've probably seen the amazing living room on on Crawford.com. And that's really what we're trying to do. We're trying to help more people get healthy and that's probably the most underserved population. They get to their 50s and like my dad included my dad used to run like six miles and stuff. I used to watch. Him do a lot of things he's played baseball everything and now he's like, oh, well, you know I hurt and I'm like, well, are you doing any exercise you sit there? You know you do your thing. Now I see him stretching and doing things because she sees my brother and I really being good influence and I went to that Ragnar and I'm like, you know, you should be doing some squats, you know, I looked at your bones man, and I treated him I'm treating him and and I come like hey you like withering away. We need to get some like more protein in your diet. We need to get you doing some more exercise. This is good for bone density, right? What's good for arthritis exercise and eating right? And then what's good for you know, that's really going to help make your bones stronger. What's good for osteoporosis? Osteopenia exercise weight bearing exercise and these are things that you know, I think that what we're going to see 2020 is that we're going to see a traditional year a new traditional year coupled with really good verbiage and and I think that we're going to see you no more Community. I think this is gonna be great for Community because quite frankly doing you know the open and like being teams and all that kind of stuff yet. So many people vying for these spots. It makes you you know, I personally like from 2016 2 mm like 18 or 19 2015 to 2018. Not yet 14 says so I feel like my body was like just getting destroyed working out and and one of the offseason for CrossFit right like so this past year we haven't had one we had we had no downtime and I think that some people you need to have it right baseball has an off season 4 Reason go to the gym workout CrossFit has used was to go to the gym workout and after CrossFit that they should have an offseason maybe do some sports. Maybe just you know a little bit more Dynamic get some more. I think one thing across the kind of doesn't do as much but it depends on the programming is no lateral movements some Dynamic movements to try to really work on some of those the crossbody stuff. So unless you said you'd you do things like the Ragnar your so you're rolling a million miles we just had Greg Hammond on wanted to see you doing a million miles over the course of the year, but meters have millimeters millimeters, I mean and She began on January 1st. Yeah, Kathy Glassman comes up to me when we were out there the DDC in December and she goes she was do you want to do a million meters? And so she has this whole spreadsheet and I got to admit I'm pretty behind I'm probably gonna have to roll a lot here in these last days and hopefully make it and that that's the that's the challenge right? You know, let's see 1 million. Let me try to type this into my computer right now one. I can't tell many zeros I have. Okay, there's zero divided by by 365. Yep. So you need to do over a 2K every day over 2K every day. Yes right needed to point about eight. So so if you do 4K U 4K you get a hundred days off so conflicted so you do for can we have let me do the math against it to 65 times when we see this times 4 Equals. Oh, I know should be 4,000. Yeah that puts you over a million. Okay, but that's a lot you say it in the way like, hey, we just do it for a couple times a week. No big deal. Oh, yeah, and that's and that's the thing this week and she's like we got to figure out a better thing for next year because she's got old and I'm like absolutely can we do anything with a nerd like can we do like the bike the row and us and the skier? Maybe we can be a cool like hey, you can do a million meters in any kind of conjunction of those three things. I think I've never heard someone do the million meters that doesn't get to about this point in the year and realized They made a big mistake, you know, and it's like I got a row a marathon the next seven days in a row, you know, that's almost anyone that doesn't million meters gets to this point very few people start and stay consistent for 365 days. Well, and and so so here's here's my here's my Bugaboo, right? I had we had to opens and then you know, I'm a person who wants to do. I've been doing awaken training series with Marcus Philly. We're doing this at the be like the kind of came out and I enjoy it. It's something more where I'm doing a little more functional body building stuff and I'm doing a lot of cross body a lot of kettlebell stuff but not every day a my rowing. So I would add a back a row into there. And if I had rowing it's like I tried to translate that like, you know, whatever rowing I did like recorded it but like, you know some days it's like there's no rolling in there. So like I changed it to a bike or a change like a skier. You're so pretty, you know, I'd go to the row and like I don't know if that's the right stimulus. I think I'm doing a lot a lot of pulling but you know, it was it's been fun. It's been fun because it's you do a 2K warm up, right? If yours did 2K warm up. It's full, you know, you're sitting there for what eight minutes, you know, it's not bad. I mean that's all you know really need to stick to and then maybe do another like if you have any work if you have any doing the workout and you're good and I happen Greg Ham and hook me up with refurbished rower. I bought that from him from from Concept to accept the house now. So I use it all the time. Yeah, this is like you basically need a row at your house. If you're going to mean you could do it at the box, but you're just going to be in the way and you know, I've had Rose in my previous homes before and you know, whether you're training for something specific. It's easy to throw on some Netflix and you can row so, you know Greg though. Yeah. Yeah great to just on if you guys listen to this episode Greg talks all about concept to great great guy. But yeah anybody that gets into these challenges I know on the level 1 staff. There's a guy named you've probably met him Brian Kantor. She's been on her episode but Tosh Nicole's fiance and there's always a crew of people that do something crazy. I think they've done a row in the past. I know one year they did as many rounds of Cindy as you can do in a year and you get it's almost like we do this cross the thing so we don't specialize but then you end up specializing. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to hook you up with some muscle on our key courtesy and thunder bro when we get This episode you like that, you know, it's a similar to Marcus and stuff. He's got some great stuff out there. So what's next for you in 2020? What are you going to do to help lead the charge to get people to understand how important this Fitness thing is. So yeah, so what I'm going to do, so, I just emailed Kathy and said what the challenge this year. Well, keep me posted. Let me know what it is if it's something that's in my wheelhouse. Maybe I'll maybe I'll shoot Kathy a message and see if I can get in on it. I need a little challenge. Yeah, I just shot over here. Oh, hey Kathy with the challenge for this year because we talked about it. We never we never actually to find it. You know, that's so so one of the things for this year. So I'm actually becoming partner my practice which is super super exciting congrats. We're open or opening a Miami location, February 3rd, and that's a been a big big. I don't think it's super super building a location if anybody's open a box you can understand that but medical becomes a little bit even more. A lot of there's a lot of T's to cross and I Sadat making sure that you have a licensing and all those kind of things. So that's what that's what I do. But in my practice it's something it's nice because my business or an hour long and I get to talk to people about nutrition about that exercise component about how they can get back to doing what they love and that's what mm really 20 holes for me is, you know, I want to continue to help people avoid orthopedic surgery and that's really what for me is happening from the GDC. Perspective I know that they're starting a beta test for on the website. They're going to have any previous DC member or MBA level ones listed on the website. So I actually do some some functional consults to try help people. If they're in adrenal fatigue or those kind of things still kind of like as a little caveat. My fiancé does most of the initial consults and who it's super super taxing. I'll jump in because I'm actually And the medical Advisory board for dr. Axe.com and also for Chris Kresser and if you know either those guys, yeah, but yeah, so Chris Kresser is functional medicine does a lot of stuff. You just saw now that your Rogan podcast which games Wilkes combatant talking about the greatest movie ever. It is documentary ever. What is it called? Like game changes. Don't get me started on that. That's a hole. That was a great episode though. You have you guys are listening it was entertaining because I mean basically you have these people arguing but something you know, it was it was a always like when you can see people arguing different points, but in a friendly way and let's say was friendly but there was no yelling. There was no screaming there are no threats. But basically Chris keslar comes off kind of like a serial killer, you know, and I mean that in a good way super-smart, I believe him I'd trust him like but he's just I say that in such a way that he doesn't show emotion. He's making very valid points. He has his notes and he doesn't let it deviate. He doesn't get emotionally invested and I think that throws off the game's Wilkes and this example because he was so heated. Yes, but the Kessler's just like no this is the truth and it's like you're almost afraid of those people like I want you to get mad, but you're not and that was cool is it there's a great episode and definitely eye-opening and if you get if you're a boxing or coaching you getting your Members at ask you about game changers go listen to that because it'll point you towards the truth. Absolutely and that's that's my biggest thing, you know in that in that podcast and just kind of spoiler alert. If you want to don't want to listen you don't want to like, you know anything about podcasting to listen to yourself don't listen to this. But so the biggest thing that I saw was They both agree on the same fundamental diet. It's plant-based with well Source means and to get enough plant-based and nuts nuts seeds and like lettuce and all these kind of like greens right and greens. You have to eat a lot of greens really and then there's well Source Meats really give you that protein and even those together really help really they're talking about like kind of her most that was it a return that they are her most Most it wasn't her Mosasaur. But there's a term the term a where you have a Synergy with the plants and the meats together actually making super beneficial for you and having the bioavailability that meets have with the B vitamins and such and they talk about the B vitamins being. Okay. Well, yeah, they supplement it. Well that's poor sources of meat. They have to supplement it with poor sources of meat and it's just one of those things where you know Kresser made like one he makes like one statement and James will jump down his throat. I was like, you know, listen, you're not he the problem that I had with it was I liked it. That was a great discussion a lot. A lot of times Joe is super good at really kind of leading the discussion and being the mediator, but the one thing that I found was a little bit kind of perplexing to me was was the way James Wilkes personally kind of attacked Chris Kresser. Yeah, you didn't you said this. It's like no man. We're just we're having a discussion here and he asked them to clarify his point of view at the start and James bounce all over that question. And just to me is this somebody you know, James is a very good very good debater, but I don't necessarily think he had the right percent like he does make Illusions in that film that I'm concerned about and that I think my patients they're my patients would be concerned about looking at right they look like they have red meat and then they put like immediately put like cigarette smoking next to it and he doesn't make the statement. He's like, oh, well that wasn't meant to be that way but you put it right next to cigarette smoking. What do you think people are going to think in their head? You know, it's like you're making a Jeans and just because you're not saying it doesn't mean that people aren't thinking it and any was trying to win these like in my opinion these little small battles of like peanut butter and it was like no one cared. Okay, you're right. It's three scoops of peanut butter zone 5 like who cares like that's not the big picture argument that we're trying to make here. It was just like these little tiny wins versus actually confronting the big issue. Well, Ron anything else ad for the listeners that are out there tuning in to hear you? Yeah. Yeah. So so one thing I like to talk about is our company regenexx. We are really the world's leading provider of regenerative treatments. We have if you go to regenexx.com re GE NEX x.com, you can look up studies talking about, you know, really what can be treated with regenerative medicine. And if you're looking for a provider you have some injuries or anything like that that be fantastic to you know, obviously check that website out they do have The 40 different locations throughout the country. I obviously would prefer that you come see me in Florida get a Florida vacation if you have any problems come see me, but that's fantastic. We just go to the website and see which one's close to you and they have a really cool like actually a way that the website actually would direct you to the one that's closest to you when you actually go on the website, which is pretty cool. So that's something that you know, I'm super I think the people get you know cut on for the wrong things meniscectomy. He's cutting out of meniscus is not beneficial. There's multiple studies. Now that show that don't ever get Fusion everybody's talking about the fusion make sure that you try some injection therapy for your lumbar spine. If you have any back problems or anything like that just some things that you know, there's there's really no good evidence anymore pointing out like for those kind of treatments and I want to make sure that people find an alternative to surgery and at least try that first it's you know in my in my field it's an Interventional Orthopedics is definitely worth a shot and trying to make sure that person is better. So that would that's the only thing I mean like, yeah, we'll definitely check that out. Let me ask for a free diagnosis while we're on the phone here. I have something known as hallux rigidus. Have you heard of it? Yes. Yes. Is that treatable by you guys? Absolutely and that's something that your great toe is very, you know, it's almost become fused essentially if that's what yes and painful extremely painful. Absolutely man. I could I could get you injecting your joint and see if we can get you some some relief. I do PRP or stem cells in that joint depending on how severe the hallux rigidus. Is be happy to see you and you want to document we could like even happy to come down and have like a little little treatment vacation and we could get you going live. I'll inject you live. Well, you know, I you know, I don't know why I didn't think of it when we met but yeah, you know, I did have one cortisone shot and about two years ago. It helped tremendously, but I was like, okay, I don't want to be doing this forever and the cortisone shot itself with me like immobile for about a week like I could barely walk on it. And I've just been dealing with it in the meantime don't like okay. Maybe I need to do something. I ordered a little braid, you know, it hurts primarily when I trained you Jutsu which is everyday and lunges because there's no flexion than that toe. Right so basically avoid lunges or when I have to and things like the open I basically step with my foot turned out in a way that I'm probably going to hurt something else. So yeah, I got to either get to Tampa find if there's a got a spot here in Boulder. Yeah. Well, so one of my good buddies Jace Our covid we actually was one of the original G guys at the CrossFit Games. I think is there in 2011 for medical Marco and I don't know Kaylee and he was one of the original like medical staff. So he's out there. He's at the centeno Schultz clinics Clinic out in Broomfield and he's a good friend of mine. Get shout out to him. He's an MD level one as well. We went to the same one together. That was the last one at the ranch and he does fantastic work, you know, always that you have a cold though. Come you get a beach day or two. To me treat, you know, I like to I like to play up our Florida Florida Medical medical leave trip, you know. Well, yeah, I'm familiar, you know, I lived in Naples for few years. If I do that I have to visit all my family, you know the stress than that. But yeah, maybe I can sneak into Tampa or get a seminar schedule there again and all the trips, you know when you travel as much as I do for CrossFit and for other things you just want to stay home over the holidays. Yeah, I can appreciate that man. I traveled a good deal because of the Box in Philly so but yeah, so yeah, man. No, I appreciate you having me on if anybody has any questions. Hit me up. I'm at love Health doc. That's my handle on Instagram and you know happy to answer questions slide my DMs shoot me super some questions. I do I do Facebook Live Events. If you're on my you're on my follow me on Facebook wrong Torrance. I do Facebook Live Events. Bi-weekly on Tuesdays where I answer anybody's questions about regenerative treatments anything about nutrition and happy to answer those things too and just trying to really change the health care to be better care and makes making people happy happy and healthy and make sure that they are able to love the ones they love, you know, awesome. Yes, I could appreciate everything you're doing and like Ron said check them out. Check out regenexx. Check out his Instagram go check out his Facebook lives because you know, it's I think you're seeing that tide. At least a little bit and then the health world and it's one of the first questions I whether I ask or check them out. It's like hey, could I just my doctor do this stuff? And I think that's super important. So it's it's great that you're leading by example and really taking charge. So yeah, and we're going to I'm going to hit you up right now once we get off and get set up to get some something done to this toe. It's amazing how such a small little joint impacts my life. I had a I had a broke my toe real quick caveat. I broke my toe playing beach volleyball and I've got very similar minds at my not that that joint but the one distal to it, so I'm right there with you man. I'm trying to like make sure that my toes stay healthy, but it does bother you does it does make a difference and he can't Dorsey Flex that toe, you know, I'll have my fiance work with you with a little bit of range of motion Mobility on the toe. She should do some like our joint mobs and then I'll get you treated and we You're better sounds good. Well, thanks so much for being on. I appreciate it. They just have a great great hours for your day guys. Okay the best. 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On today’s episode Jason Ackerman sits down Ron Torrance is an MD-L1 and part of the Derelict Doctor Club (DDC) which has come up a few times. Ron runs the Regenesis Tampa Bay, whereby he treats Orthopaedic injuries differently by using rich plasma and bone marrow stem cells — giving people another option before surgery. He is very involved with Crossfit HQ by going there about every three months, and he’s an affiliate owner Crossfit Love, in Philly. They are looking to open a second affiliate in Maini that would allow for a merge of Crossfit and health care in one. Ackerman and Ron discuss everything from NSCA court case to the shift that Crossfit made over the year to 18 months. Also an almost behind the scene look at the DDC, which, to most of us one we will never get the opportunity to attend and is still a mystery. Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.

Hello, hello sales fellows fastest way to learn sales podcast number 70. Welcome to the show guys and girls. I'm your host sake bouffant and let's begin like every other show. We're going to share a quote with you first get our motivational levels high and followed by the main content of the show Once Again guys and girls, I'm sharing Brian Tracy's quote today, Brian Tracy a canadian-american motivational speaker and self-development author Brian. You know what heas written 70 books almost 70 books on these subjects including his most famous work eat that frog and the psychology of selling and Brian once said telling is not selling only asking questions is selling telling is not selling only asking questions is selling as you can tell by that quote from Brian that today's topic is about questions, which is in fact our key number five in selling asking subordinate questions. Just do get started the importance of questions in a sales presentation or any conversation is It's super high because the person who is asking the question is actually driving the conversation leading the conversation. See you are in charge. When you ask questions. Now, there are different type of questions closed-ended questions open-ended questions, and you know, you need to know when to ask which right if you're closing the sale or opening the sale of your in discovery mode such things and asking subordinate. Ian's is the main topic of the show. You're also going to learn about a presidential clothes from Zig Ziglar which is little bit funny as well. And I'm going to give you a 3 question clothes that you can use in any field that you're in effectively. Okay. So hang in here lots of value coming. So what is a subordinate question a subordinate question is any question the answer to which if positive means the Has bought if it is not positive. It does not mean that he or she has not bought just require more information and I'm going back to Zig Ziglar secrets of closing the sale book and in that book I read which was also interesting for me to share with you one of his his colleague used to use the subordinate question very effectively and he would ask his customers well, mr. Prospect. Have you sold yourself or should I tell you more so remember that he's not saying that if I sold you know, he's saying have you sold yourself? Right? Because remember we talked about this in the past that nobody wants to be sold, but everybody wants to buy so there's there is that difference this question. I believe is very powerful because if the answer comes yes, I am sold. Boom. Boom boom time to make that transaction happen, right? And if the answer comes know what can you tell me more about it? Boom sales? The one your game on guys right from that same book. I'm going to I'm going to share with you the presidential close that Zig Ziglar mentions and this is little bit funny story as well. So I hope I hope you find it find the humor behind it as well as the value, right Zig calls this the presidential close. So this is how the story goes Zig Ziglar was supposed to speak at a conference back in the day at Greenville, South Carolina during the week of October 11th through October 15th assign at the back of the lobby advice to Travelers to avoid traveling during these days as this was the textile week and the rooms usually wear pre-booked 12 to 18 months in advance of that textile week. Now chances of getting a room within that 15-mile radius of Greenville during that textile week was poopoo pretty slim. Okay, but Zig Ziglar being one of the best sales person in the history that what he was super good at. He walked into the holiday in the hotel that he wanted to stay and when I'm to the reception introduced and ask them for the room the lady at the reception ask do you have a reservation sir? He said yes. I booked one long time ago how long ago asked the receptionist. And ziggs response to that was three weeks ago. Three weeks ago now it was clear to the receptionist that mr. Ziegler does not have any reservation as they usually do not book anybody three weeks in advance the rooms are booked further further back in advance, right? So she got someone senior to speak with. Mr. Zig the senior Hotel representative was polite and said to Zeke, you know, I might as well tell you that usually I am the good news lady however tonight and that's where Zig interrupted her and said, Before you tell me that can I ask you a couple of questions? Once again the questions right? She said yes, please. Go ahead question. Number one that Zig asked. Do you consider yourself to be an honest lady? Sales rep the senior representative of that hood Holiday Inn, of course said, of course I do. Mr. Ziegler. Now question number two. He asked his like if the president of United States were to walk into that door and came up to you and said, I want a room for tonight now tell me the truth. Would you have one for him? She smiled and she said now, mr. Ziegler you and I both know that if president of the United States work to come in and ask for a room. I would have a room for him Ziggler's come back to that was okay, ma'am. You're an honest woman and I'm an honest man. You can take my word for it that the president of the United States is not going to walk through that door tonight and I'll take his room needless to say Zig slept in that hotel that night not because of what he told the receptionist or the staff at the hotel but because of what he He asked them write the questions that he asked now that is an example story of a subordinate question. I hope that you get the point behind that story. I personally find that really really intriguing and funny as well at the same time. But that makes sense. Right? He was very creative and asking the right set of questions. Now the another segment today that I want to I want to share with you is the three question close with that story of the presidential close. We understand the subordinate question and you know, it's just to get people to answer either. Yes. No or give you the feeling of have the bot or not. So let's dive into more. Now. There are three questions you're going to ask and sequence. Okay, and you can customize them. This is pretty effective and I have used personally to make a lot of money and sales. So number one the first question you let's say if you're selling something just to give you some perspective to the background to it to let's say you're selling something that saves people money. Okay, it could be anything a higher finchy efficiency heater or anything like that, right that could save them some money. Now, you can ask your customer. Can you see where this would save you money? How simple is that? Right that's a very simple question now think about what kind of responses you will get when you ask someone. Can you see where this would save you money? Right? What kind of answers would they give you? now the second piece do it is are you interested in saving money? Okay, again, think about it. What kind of answers can you expect from from a question like that? Are you interested in saving money? Who's going to say? No, I mean there's hardly anybody right the third piece to this threes. Three question clothes is if you were going to start saving money, mr. Customer when do you think would be the best time to start? Now the trick to these three step three question close is that you have to ask is each question in sequence. And then you have to pause and listen and wait for the answer. Another thing is that you can actually customize it based on your own product service and positioning. However, you want to do it do to spin it again. I can I can say if I'm selling my sales training right? I can say And I can take the same question and I can say the first one which was can you see where this would save you money? I can rephrase it to something. Like can you see how using the fastest way to learn sales training course would increase your sales? I just spend it a little different. Now. The second key question was are you interested in saving money? I can I can rephrase that to something like are you interested in increasing your sales? Right. The third question was if you were going to start saving money. When do you think would be the best time to start once again, I can rephrase and spin it something to something like this. If you were ever going to start increasing your sales. When do you think would be the best time to start guys and girls you could be in real estate you could be in Insurance you could be selling cars you could be selling anything, but these subordinate questions are going to help. You close and especially the three question close and as a car salesperson, I will just add another tip to you guys as well because I know a lot of a lot of my listeners are from from car dealerships, you know, if you are doing your test drive times times almost up for the test drive. You can ask a question to something like this. Where do you see driving who actually who would you like to show this car first? That's a subordinate? Question because if they think about it and they haven't thought about it that who are they going to show this car first? They haven't purchased the car and then that means that there's some more selling required and where would you where would you take this car for a long drive in upcoming summer right or spring or whatever that is if they have a destination in mind, once again, if this you know, if they give that destination to you right away, then they have purchased the vehicle. That's a signal that's a subordinate question. Power of the question. I hope I have given you some some effective methods today that you can apply and sales today to increase your your Effectiveness in closing deals and making some sales. Thanks for listening. Please like share subscribe to my podcast and my Instagram is at fastest way to learn sales. I appreciate every single second of your time. I will see you on the next show Cheers.

   Quote by: Brian Tracy A Canadian American motivational speaker and self development author. Brian has written about 70 books on these subjects including “Eat That Frog” & “The Psychology of Selling”   “Telling is not selling, only asking questions is selling”   Today’s topic as you can tell is about questions. Which is the 3rd Key in Selling! Asking Sub Ordinate Questions. Now different situations during a sales call require a different style of question. For example, when you are arousing interest in the product, service or an idea you ask close ended questions. When you are doing a discovery, you ask open ended questions. Today we will discuss the art of asking the subordinate questions. What are the Subordinate Questions? A subordinate question is any question the answer to which, if positive, means the prospect has bought! If it is not positive, it does not mean he has not bought. I read this in Zig Ziglar’s book that one of his friend used subordinate question which was very effective for him, he would ask the prospect:   “Well, Mr Prospect, have you sold yourself or should I tell you more?”   Remember no one wants to get sold, we all want to buy! So this question is powerful. If the answer is YES I AM SOLD! Make the transaction and if the answer is WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT IT? Allows you to bring you sales game! I also want to share with a story that I found in Zig’s book. He calls this THE PRESIDENTIAL CLOSE. Zig Ziglar was suppose to speak at a conference back in the day at Greenville, South Carolina during the week of Oct 11 through Oct 15th. A sign at the back of the lobby advised travelers to avoid travelling during these days as this was the textile week and the rooms are pre books 12 to 18 months ahead of the textile conference. Chances of getting a room with in the 50 miles radius of Greenville during the textile week is pretty much impossible. Zig Ziglar being the one of the best sales person in the history, did what he was best at! He walk in to the Holiday Inn and did the whole thing where he went up to the reception, introduced and asked for the room. Do you have a reservation? Asked the lady at the reception. He said yes, long time ago. How long ago asks the reception, Zig response 3 weeks ago. Now it was clear to the reception that he does not have any reservation as they probably do not book 3 weeks in advance, and she got her senior to speak with Zig. The senior Hotel Representative was polite and said to Zig,   “I might as well tell you that usually I am the good news lady, however tonight”   Zig interrupted her and says before you tell me that can I ask you couple of questions? She said yes, go ahead. Question#1: Do you consider your self to be an honest lady? Senior Representative said “Of course I do Mr Ziglar”   Ok now Question #2:   If the President of United State were to walk the door and come up to you and say, ‘I want a room.’ Now tell me the truth would have one for him? She smile and said: “Now, Mr. Ziglar, you and I both know that if the president of the United States were to come in here, I’d have a room for him.”   Zig: “Ok Ma’am, you’re an honest woman and I’m an honest man. You can take my word for it that the President of United States is not going to walk through that door. I’ll take his room!” &nb

Tuesday June 11th 2019 talking Schmidt episode 24. What's up? Everybody? Did you watch The Warriors last night? Did you see what I saw one of the best games? I've seen in a while one of the hardest fought Warriors. I don't know what the rest of the series is going to bring but I'm content. I'll tell you that. Hey, and I got a question for you. So man splaining is it still called that when a man does it to another man email me at epically trife at yahoo.com. Let's talk man splaining. Otherwise, I'm just gonna pass the mic over to my good friend Pierre and let him lead us into the show. Oh, yeah, this is Pierre and talking Schmidt. Right? No. No, I'm I'm listening and I'm talking and listen to team Schmidt shocking shocking Schmidt. All cars turn big dogs in what do you think genetics? You can just push it off Tok Tok. It's been talk. It's bad guys. Ready. Are you guys ready? Anyone out there because check this out. I'm fucking I got some firsts for you. I have some first right? This is my first podcast in Arizona check that state right off the list boom. And then on top of that this is my first time with a live instrument on the podcast. So we're going to check that off the list. Yeah, and we got one more first for you and is now Name is Erin up Mochi. What's up? Everybody? So what's been going on? Just you just scale some crazy water park yesterday. We did it. Yeah me and mr. T Hawk and Chris Gregson and Lizzie got invited to go skate a band water park the just got purchased by a bunch of pro Surfers and they're about to change that shit into a Kelly. Her weight fool. Oh, they're gonna make one of those waves. Yeah, make one of those ways. Yeah, so they're making one of those perfect waves and they're like, hey, we're gonna destroy this thing. So if you guys want to come and skate it let's do it. And then so they got a properly made up. They got like lawyers involved and got waivers made up of fully legit fully legit. Okay, and then do they let us skate it I think they got they got a fully legit because Chris Gregson was there and he got caught there and dude came up and and Chris was like, oh sorry. We're going to leave and he's like, no dude. It's all good. Like you guys can stay and then he's like told him about the Surfers that just bought it and then I think Chris pulled the Tony Hawk card. Well, he should oh cool. Like I know a bunch of pro skateboarders including Tony Hawk and he would love to skate this place. Right and that's so yeah, they're like, oh fuck. Yeah, like let's do this. And so they made it legit. We all signed waivers went there yesterday. That was the first day. They're going to tear it down. I mean from today's date probably by the time this airs it's going to be torn down. So don't go there unless you want to surf and even then you probably already know. They said 2020 is when it's going to be open. Okay? Yeah. So it's not even it's a long it's a long process for them. Right? But yeah, so that was out by Palm Springs somewhere is that that's about what for did you say four hour drive from here as far as 4-Hour drive you guys drove out same day and drove back same day. We drove out night got a hotel. Okay, and then stay the night and then just when they're in the morning, I didn't want to have burnt legs driving like it's 6:00 in the morning to get there. He burnt and then try to drive back after you freaking did you guys see the Pee-wee Herman dinosaurs out there? Skip skip past. Yes, Cody Cody's in this house big. Shout out to Cody how He's gonna be helping me do the Phoenix am 2020 2020 is are here. Yeah a long lens fisheye all day baby talk a little bit about some of these Buster bales that you've been a part of you've been to like, you said you were at the 16 stare Paul Revere. Yep. I was at Paul Revere where knowledge is one that I went to. Mr. Purple T showed up as Paul Revere dad. I just I remember moose back 316 over right doing it like it doing it over the stairs and eventually just going over the rail rail to that. I remember being like holy shit who else Andrew Reynolds frontside flip Lanie put himself on the map that day was obviously of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah clanging. No one really knew he was going from fucking from plant front and over Crooks or nosegrind like and maybe first try on a couple of those and it was like who the fuck is this guy? I remember that clears daily. Yes, and then I think Gravette and somebody maybe did doubles like two guys on the revenue piggy piggy nollie granted it and then Corvette was it thank you 500. Yeah attending vet 501 is it was Devon a pillow maybe but maybe it wasn't I think it was thick. I'm gonna have to look up the foot head if it's a biggie that's red. That's not gonna drive right now. Yeah, it gets foggy. Yeah. Yeah. So what's up with the harp? Ah the mouth harp the mouth harp. How long has it been with you? I I've rolled my ankle extremely bad and couldn't skate for like six months and I looked up techno beat boxing curiously on YouTube. And I found someone doing techno pretty techno sounds with this instrument. I was like what the fuck is that? That sounds so cool. And then so I got it and with my rolled ankle just set there and just played with it and then ended up being able to yeah, what year was that? Shit? That was I see is like 2013 2013. So yeah, like what like six years six years. Okay. Yeah. Of it now dude, there's much more Masters out there really is there to that youthful look up on you to know for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's like everybody's got like yeah, there's tutorials and shit. Well done the others tutorials, but I feel like I'm past that. Yeah. No, but I mean do dinner like holy shit. He just brought a new thing to the game. Yeah. There's dudes that create their own Harps that have like Mastered this is sounds of them and are able to do like they'll do like for instance. I don't know. I don't know how to pronounce his name exactly but he has he's made three Harps together. So it's almost like a guitar or you can pluck pluck pluck and then each one of those are different type of sound but it's like page with the two-headed guitar. Yeah, exactly. Whoa. Yeah, so that's like I don't know. There's just that next level today. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, let's get a little let's get a little fucking Vibe. What do you got? All right, so dude just aren't just on mine or every because this is how I usually okay. Yeah. Okay. I think this should this should work. Let's not to muffled. Yeah, but this one goes out to all y'all this is this is like the Mellow one. I'll go mellow style first and then and then we'll go see techno style. But there's a dislike easy STEEZ And if you feel free to add anything, but now we're gonna kick it up a notch. All right ready. Here we go ahead and we got Omar Hassan in this motherfucker. Hey, I got a question for you. Huh? Me and my And you're going to move out here for two years two years two years straight. We can't leave. Mmm. What give me three tips three ten out of ten Linux, Arizona for three or two years straight. What are my tips to survive out here? Because it is number one. Yeah wear sunscreen wear wear sunscreen. Number two is drink water. Well, that's obvious. I got this, okay. You gotta drink water. Yeah, okay, son to freeze your water gallon. Hey and then it melt number to go out. If you're gonna do something go out at night. It's much more comfortable. So you change your sleep patterns in the summer. I do I completely do I will stay up until the sun rises like arming our skate missions like growing up here are skate missions in the summertime would start when It was around 8:00 p.m. 9 p.m. And would end at 5 a.m. Oh shit. That's like when it ended now, I'd be like, okay and you'd sleep until like three into it all the day. Yeah, it's sleep till two three go you shitting and go get your breakfast time. Do you know give you food in the by the time you're like ready to go out and do stuff? It's like 5:00 p.m. Okay, like then it's only a hundred and three. Yeah, it's only had a three and then by about 8:00 p.m. Is about it's like that. Yeah that did I know. I don't know how you guys do it because I've lived in San Francisco bury my whole life. So I'm used to 70 all year round when it gets in the 90s. I'm like crying so hundred is like just get a fucking Medevac out dude. I'm like later. I don't know how you guys bear with cold. Yeah. See I can't I it's just what your goal is to I guess like some people come and they think San Francisco's warm because they're from Alaska. But then some people from Arizona or like fucking they got like Eskimo hats on. Yeah, that's me. That's me. Let me get my thermals in some pants for me. The worst part of SF is the wind like I don't mind it called but when it's windy, it's just miserable and I don't want to be outside. Well, we got the we got these dust storms called haboobs. Yeah that a boob boobs. Yeah. I moved here. Those things are just like kind of just dust devils. Just come in and just for quick a like a dust tornado or some it's not and outs like a just a whole dust storm like just a hole when it's not like a tornado but like it's like a hole just like storm that just comes in but it's just moving fast. So it's like it's about an hour. Well, it's like it's like Wendy as fuck. You say yeah some rains here and there it's kind of fun. Actually. Yeah. It's like a hurt a desert hurricane. Okay, but you guys do when the waters. Right have epic like swim holes and stuff. Yeah. Oh for sure did if the what if you get a good rainy season summertime, it's just so the water. It's just so warm like the waters like so nice because it's just nice warm and in the desert, I mean, it's cool for you your bones and your joints for sure all that. Yeah. Yeah sweet. Yeah. It's pretty crazy like to think like like if I go Go to Hawaii. Like I just feel so good. And when I come here like my joints and stuff feel good, but I just get like tired and I'm like, well, it's our dick or something. What the fucking Clipper one though. See we're all over here with my ADD. We did talk about Paul Revere, but we never went to Clipper on the Buster Vale. Do we did I gotta tell you you listeners that me and this guy right here? We were in the same photo He was doing something a little gnarlier than me. I was walking down the plank with my camera and he was kickflip melon over the damn thing and that random Thrasher. I don't remember the month, but we got it and jobs ran away with the fucking prize. I think that day. I remember you guys called me about that and I was like, I don't know what I could do over there on the ledge and like now go over the whole thing is like I mean, I mean, I don't know what I could do. Yeah. I never looked at it before never looked at it boy. And you never Luanne him in there was the contest. Yeah blue. And yeah, I remember you be like, I'm pretty sure you could back 188 or they'll trust you keep with melon. I was like, I can't frontside kickflip melon everything because I have to go front because I skate regular, right? So it's uncomfortable going frontside alley-oop Olmos. Yeah. Yeah exactly like your it's just uncomfortable doing it that way and I knowing it that Is big like I don't know like I'd really don't know. Yeah, and then we got there and it's like well, I think I already did. I don't even know if I'm Ellen did it. I don't know if I'm Ellen to notify all I did. I don't remember. Yeah, I did first but I remember just being like, okay like I got this like was just let's do this. Yeah. It was like a few tries like maybe two or three it worked out good. I do actually remember His holy shit that's coming back. Yeah, I remember you schmidty like because you had that we had the drop in ramp at the top. Yep. And then that's where like everyone is starting was like right where I was gonna go and I remember like making eye contact with you being like she many I'm going and you like clearing everyone like Shane O'Neill feel like feather move shit. Hey, man, you do that fucking other thing. During the path for me right be giving me the thumbs up. I was like, okay, this is on the photo because I'm like up on the ledge like following you down. I was like that looks cool like where you're in the photo and you're like, that's cool. Don't Photoshop me out of that one? Like I was kind of stoked on that one. But usually I'm like, I don't want to be in the photo, you know, like filming or whatever. I like I was killed and then we went to the bar after and fucking every it was just Good Vibes like some dudes of course get To wasted and then it gets a little uncomfortable for some of them. But other than that is so so fun. Yeah, and then another trip was the skate Rock trip. You joined us on and I believe you flew into not Memphis or was it Memphis you flew in like two days late and I remember your flight was delayed Dave picked you up and I think you met us at Herman's whole maybe yeah or carbon one. I forget where but oh, yes. As you've learned the st. Louis, I'm pretty sure I'll butcher so much. Yeah, they did. But once you were there like the trip was like that first day we went and skated that Rail and got the group in the background like it like that first day. I felt like okay the trips on and we're all bonding like boom. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. That was a good time. I remember me Timo on that trip MVP did and I remember hit what looked like the jokes like you want to get crazy. Crack. Yeah, like it was crack. The whole trip was crack like he kept on Mark Waters like you're gonna get crack. Hey, Mark. Guess what? You're getting cracked. So Timo, he's like you gonna crack Riley's gonna crack the hak-sun. I was like a team. Oh, I got you dude. I'm a totally crack Riley the just totally tell Riley T must be funny right now. Just and then TiVo got lit up in our pan. Yeah. That out for like a few hours. I don't like I don't know that shit. That was just so just recklessness hit you were with us in Mississippi. Right was that are we got kicked out of the state? And then we had to like go straight to New Orleans. It was like this dude's came out and they got kind of in a fight and one of them lost their wedding ring and then we race back to the hotel we're staying at and then the cops showed up and said the dude said Said that we stole his wedding ring and then then we were supposed to go to Jackson, Mississippi the next day and those dudes called like Jake or somebody and was like Hey, man, the cops are already here. Just get out of the state. So we fucking bounce Orleans and Timo had to endure Bowl lined up for us. I was like, like I was like my Riley was like my buddy on that trip because Riley Hawk, is it that right? Yeah, and so Riley was my Buddy on that chip. Okay. It's like once that got to that point of like too much chaos, like I'm back in. So were you in this car with new gym Franks? Who are you driving with I was about I was bouncing around. Oh you are. Yeah. Okay. Did you get the ant they're open? I was in there for like two minutes and I was like fuck this. I'm out. Wow, but yea big those have been super. I mean it's hard for me to even Bring it up or say anything. But with Jake Pasion recently, it's just been like I don't know what else it's just fucked up and it's been hard for me. Actually, it's just super new and I'm like just got on my first flight since all that and that was hard, but he just pulled all those people together. He was a big part of why that energy was so epic and sure did. Oh man. That's he was there. Just screaming. Yeah, firing it up. Always get it. Yeah, man, you know, it's actually cool is that honestly the very first time I really actually felt like I connected with Jake was on that trip or like I was like damn like saw some fire and he I feel like he saw some fire in me and I was like recognize a salsify me. I was like dude, that's really cool. And then yeah even like after that me and him Had to go to the airport together and we had to sit at the airport for like five hours together. Just me and him we got like to just spin like a good like one-on-one like good time. And I remember talking to me about baseball. Yeah, when I was a little kid, I used to talk to you about anything. Yeah. He said he had so much knowledge. And so I know it was this magical time man. Yeah for sure. One thing I would say about that is that if you came out and supported his thing like that and you didn't Like leave early like you you went through the whole motions and supported the thing like that meant so much to him and he never forgets anything. So if you cook it with him, he would remember that and he'd be like you cooked it it but if you supported him, he'd be like, I remember that he didn't forget things forever like whether good or bad. It was like no it is I don't know if it's East Coast or what but that's what had yeah. It's real recognize real. Yeah for sure. It's just like he He's a skateboarder. Yeah, you know somewhat, you know, yeah, I don't want to get too caught up on that right now because it'll just spin me out and I think what I really want to talk to you about is The Birdhouse team what's going on with you guys? Because you guys pretty much killed King of the Road. So you're like alright retired and then I could have a couple videos and like I think you just put out a recent one right with Mills. Yeah, so So we just did a beautiful mutants after the Saturday's video. We were all still sparked and then we're still going. Yeah, and some of the other people had other things to do like like Lizzie and Tony obviously had other shit to do and Shawn Shawn hail and Clive or killing it still and then like, well, let's just do like a little side project and that time we introduced two new amps Ed. And restocking they are killing it and they both had Parts in this little video that we just put out. Yeah, and the parts were I think all of them were on Thrasher or some of them at least were yeah, so that intro Matic like an intro team Montage but like introducing Ed Duff as well, right so that came out recent sparked it like the team section and then Sean's and then class. I'd write and Clive killed it with that boardslides. Fuck Yak of has. Yep, and it's funny cuz Clive FaceTime me after he did that like when he got home that day and I was eating I was eating sushi, I'll just never forget. I was like eating sushi being just a little like pretty boy like, oh that's eating sushi and clap. Just call me. Yo, I just did the gnarliest thing in my life. I almost could have died. I was like, what did you do? He said you'll see and that was it. Like what the fuck away next to a month. You're the way either way. Yeah, he's just like give me on the edge of your seat. Have you seen that spot before? No, no idea Mills found it there needs to be a back story on that because the whole backstory of that is crazy. I got a three-hour interview. I got a three hours of them telling me all about their fucking adventure of doing that dude. That's really cool that it's kind of an homage to We're a like with the water towers his Ali it almost was shot the same way and look similar. That's I like that to you. Remember that cover. We're yeah. Oh, yeah, that's like a television classic. So right when I saw that photo, that's the first thing I thought yeah. This is like this is just classic. Yeah. Was there any fun on our was there any I that's a good question. I'm like, I feel like having my house at my parents house. It's classic dude. Yeah, that's sick. What's up, everybody you guys thinking about making a podcast. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. 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I feel like to find that and so I'm very happy so that day Lizzie FaceTime me or 19 face and she just called me like a few days before and was like, yo, like what's going on with the live tell me about the live talk me through this. I was like, all right. This is what you need to do. So we talked like that third about an hour then we went there that day. and whatever she was like kind of feel like a little bit like it wasn't quite working yet because it's When you do that, it's not you got to like not think of it normally like it right. She said that you gave her some great advice which was don't pump ever. Like you think you have to pump just keep your legs kind of straight and go with it. That's the thing is if it's a racetrack, okay, you know when you're you ride roller coasters, yeah rollercoaster you do you do a loop on really cause ya never quite really know when you're upside down because your heads you never quite like at 12 o'clock. Damn. I'm A downright he's can kind of see where you're going. It's like so with that you don't pump it like a cradle right? You let it take you for the ride. Okay, let it take you for the ride. Okay, I got it that dude. I don't eat, please pull the loop out this weekend. I'm coming Friday. I have yeah, I'm aware. I mean, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I seriously swear that like like you could do this. A loop like a lot of people could do the loop like it's not it's just all about figuring it out figuring it out and having the balls and having the ball. I mean because I asked her I was like did you see Brian Schaeffer and some of these dudes like eat shit like and go to the hospital trying it like that. That is an image that I wish I never saw because I think that would prevent me from even trying it. Here's the thing is that they they have the skills easily. They have the Kills to do it right? Almost 2 Amp. Yeah to Aunt okay go they treat it like it's like it shouldn't be like Tony Tony does ours. Luckily. They have pads there and shit like you can you can walk away in that and so with Lizzie doing that like old watched her go from like a newborn child of learning this to like doing it. She was learning something brand-new and then so like that rules the like Like being there just like up there and I was standing on the top of live with her like once you started figuring out. I was like dude you got this and then it's just like pushing confidence Center and us being best friends like being like dude like seriously like when I say you got this shit like you better fucking do it. Hey, you know like it's not just me being like did you got it? Yes like to make the situation better. It's like no you fucking got this is the loot you fucking got this like don't even ever think you don't got it. I'm just so glad she did it to I was Happy for ya. Such an awesome achievement. Yeah, she's smart. She's like slept with like absolutely he doesn't freak out, you know, like, you know, like I like people you see people break boards. Yeah throw their shinjin. I see comes to grips with it. Like I can't do this. Yeah. I'm stopping. Well I can do it, but I need to do this to get to their whatever like she has her philosophy. Yeah. I know you film with them, but it's like yeah, like it's like it's like such a joy. Yeah, it's like it's rather than like just being with someone that just gets pissed off. Right? Let's go get a beer or yeah, you know what exactly dude like just go drink some boba tea. Yeah brainstorming here, but I'm thinking storming up. I'm thinking that the one you drove that what you drive to st. Louis you drove somewhere with a Mickey for the big stairs. Mmm. You want to fucking the boo Lala set? Mmm. And then went to Louisville Kentucky with hanneke to go do that. Olly now is my very first cover of thrasher. Okay. Well, that was the wild but did you guys drive didn't you guys just go there for that? Like you wanted to know the rail we went there for the rail David lawyer lip Slide the rail. Okay, and then I saw that block there and I was like, oh I can I think I could maybe all I this tried to do it broke. I got broke off like bruised my heel or something went back and Mikey showed it to brunette brunette. I don't somehow Andrew Reynolds saw the photo. It's like that's the biggest Ali ever. And then for now is called Hamp. Can Hammond called me as like we need to go do that because it's a potential cover and I was like, okay. Well, let's do this. Wow, and I can't even think anything of it is just like oh that was like something there's tried and how would you compare? That to the was it Leon Leon? Yeah, the Leon 25 smaller. It's smaller than the lie on one. Yeah, it's met smell our because that's it. That's a 20 stare with a 8. I think it's an eight-block. If I'm it's eight block that kind of sticks out a little bit. So it's just a drop. It's more of a drop, you know how those fast. Okay, it's not as long as that it's not as long as out like you can't for me like I was able to like kind of like toy with it. Little bit more you're better at higher than high other longer. Yeah, like Wallenberg like I wouldn't have shit for II. That's why I don't skate like like stuff like that because I can't I don't I don't do long. I like Drop real quick in a condensed jazz version because I know you did the whole fucking story with Gilbert and stuff but just talked about that Leon trip. Okay, I'll give you the version. Let's spoken about I guess. Yeah, that'd be great. Here's the thing with that. Is that this room that you're sitting in right now that we're doing this interview? And yeah, I have to I had to fly to France to go do that and that's it was a three-day trip and I went with Kevin Garnett and Mike Burnett and that was the first and it's us three. I mean went for three days does this is the first time that he went whatever money like we're going there we're gone that heaven Barnett. Come on. Oh, yeah, cuz he was filming for who's gonna do for the decline, baby. Glenn yeah who's filling for tongue Miata? Okay, and I remember being scared shitless sitting in this room sleeping that sleeping just being like dude. I have to go do this tomorrow. Like we're going here and doing this just being like just scared shit, you know. Yeah and then so went there ended up tearing my MCL French Fred bless his wonderful Soul fucking I will forever love French Fred his he was the one that was guiding our trip. I I hurt my knee and I went back to Fred's house and his wife was a like physical therapist. She like worked on my knee and she's like, yeah, I can tell there's like something more wrong than just physically like what's wrong with you you feel like emotionally like built up and then I like straight up like Dad even shooting with you cried like a little baby. I was like fuck it. Did I just like went out here trying to do this? It's like that out. I don't have anyone with me. I don't even know like you know, and I mean well, so it was just you knew Kevin right? I knew Kevin but we didn't have like a good connection, you know, and I knew Mike to but we didn't have like have a good connection. It was just like I felt like I don't know then so next time we went out there and they call me and I'd like waited a year rehab myself and I was like, okay. I know I can do it. Let me just go back. Can I bring Like an emotional support right? I fuck. Yeah, I think I'm gonna bring my dad like fuck. Yeah, and so proud of my dad with and that just like shit and I just like a weight lifted off of just like I can like focus on okay being it the trick more and in general and I was just actually just talking to to someone that's working with snowboarders their Olympic snowboarder. Is it working with fear and how they get through? Here and like being able to have like an emotional support of someone that you fully trust in someone like for sure for skateboarders instance, like having like their fillmore with them right when they have their film or with them. That's like there dude. Yeah, and so like having someone like that with it change the game and I think that's how I was able to do it rad. Yeah. There's the there's the inside is heavy and also wasn't Clive and Clinton. They're or oh, yeah clap. Yeah, so you kind of had a little crew ya little crew to but that was even gnarlier. I felt like for you maybe because like Gilbert and a few guys were there and and you knew like this is a story like it's almost like it's almost like King of the Road Again. It's Yammer is everywhere in interviews and like you're about to do the gnarliest shit ever and you're like, maybe I don't want to talk about it right now like chill. Yeah. That's how it felt the first time. I did that that's how it seems he felt. Okay. It's like okay, like like Sinclair's like organizing all of it to you know cater to this and just didn't feel like right, you know, I didn't feel like natural. I didn't feel like I was doing it for myself. I felt like I was doing it for someone else. Okay. And so the next time I was like dude, I'm going out there. I'm doing this and with my dad like Dad. Hey mon, check out your son do something cool. Check this out, but your dad shit in his pants. Hehe I did. Well, first of all as first time out of the country, no way. Yeah, that's what time the country went to France. First thing. It is a beef tartare, maybe all the Dawn no beef tartare is just raw beef is imagine getting hamburger beef and just slamming on your plate. Just that's what he got. First thing. That's amazing. It was so holy shit was it was such a first time out of the country he goes to watch. His son do something that he just tried and what you do blow out your idea MCL MCL. I got lucky just yeah, I mean it was a it was a great three tear which is just tore. It's like ripping a sheet of paper just and double-jointed at all. Like it feels like your legs can just go to a crazy position. I don't know maybe I don't know jumping on trampolines jumping on trampolines, I think maybe is there. Is the key? No, that is it if you haven't I mean if you haven't seen that or heard about that you're living under a rock, but if you have been living under a rock go to The Thrasher website or just go to the internet and Google fucking Jaws. Probably just Google Jaws or Aaron him okey, but yeah, France doubles like my war and yeah. Frontside flip it and like actually Frank Phillips front flip. Yeah, that's what was that real? Yes. No way. So it's closer to clarify that there's a dude. He's a parkour. You know, what parkour yeah jump around like yeah did jump from this dude. He's like one of the best part car people in the world. He went there to go front flip it like a human foot like diving. Off a diving board but no diving board and he did it and Hebrews the living. I think he actually broke cracked his heel Hebrews the living shit out of his heel and but yes, he did that and he did that to do like the come up like did you see the scooter kid that tried it after I tried on a scooter you case. Yes, like the way like, yes, like oh, oh knee pads elbow pads helmet like it. He almost chin like hit his chin on The Handlebar, but he he stuck on it and he didn't land it. But I got to look that up dude into time tonight kill. It's funny like a couple people have tried to like come up off of off of like that. Like, oh they see that that set like, oh, we're gonna go there now. I think that parkour dude definitely like I remember seeing his Instagram. Like before that like a he tagged, like first thing I got tagged in was like I got tagging that shit is he has like 200,000 followers now, he's out like 800. I was like, I don't know how the fuck this happened. That was like a matter of like six months or something. Oh, really? Yeah, like like It's this it's this crazy. It is crazy. Wow, I gotta look the scooter one up that is definitely gonna have to happen. I gotta show you that says fucking crazy. Well, we're gonna let you spark that up and then we're gonna take it to the bridge with will give a few shot out to anybody that you think needs a shot out right now. First of all, I want to give a shout out Trent and Laura countdown because they're the realist in the coolest and anytime I'm invited out here. I always come last year. I broke my rib and I can make it. Yeah, but I fucking love those two and I have back anytime Phoenix Sam's a good thing. Yeah, Amen to that trend line and add to from Cowtown you guys all Rule and of course putting on this contest I mean, I remember being a little kid best. I gotten his fourth place. You know who beat me that year Clive Dixon. He got third shot. Yeah, I did but I did you guys know each other. No, we had no idea. I got fourth to do you didn't beat me do anything? Yeah it is. That is a very yeah, so shout-out Phoenix and thank you and always entertain my family too. How is a good thing to go to and yeah, shout out all those people and Shout out. So today Tony Hawk because he's actually follow me right now, and he actually likes me some that like like them and I I gotta tell ya I'm a fan and I'm still going to geeked out when I see a like from the Birdman. So thanks for that Tony. Did she has shut out Town? It should first of all actually behind the scenes shout out Tony how for running all his social media himself. Fuck. Yeah. He runs all don't know like that motherfucker. He runs his Twitter. He runs his Instagram might not run as Facebook actually, but he runs his Twitter it Instagram. Nobody does yeah. Now yes passwords are too sketchy. I think his is Facebook just turned into right channel. Yeah probably know like some shit like that. Yeah. Yeah, but he's a hard-working fucker. Like if anyone has any idea this guy goes on tours skate trips and every morning before everyone gets up. He's probably done like five things locally that he's obligated to do before the guys. Wake up to do the rest of the shit. It's like pretty impressive gets invited to we were on a trip and he got invited to breakfast with the lead singer from Modest Mouse. Oh shit, Isaac. Yeah, Isaac, I guess is that Portland OR Seattle has a Portland. Yep Portland and that was at like 10:00 a.m. And we all woke up in Tony's just coming back from Talking having breakfast Isaac from on his mouth and he's like, oh cool like you just woke up. So shout out to him and he already posted on Instagram and Twitter. And probably has backstage tickets - mouth as his life his last fight. He sick. Yeah, his lifestyle is pretty I mean, it's Rad but also I look at him like dude. How do you go to fucking there to there to there to there? Like, he's on a mission dude. I mean, that's like just talking about it like being like being a professional skateboarder is not just as good as you can be on the board. Like you have to be better. You have to it's like a job dude. Yeah being some legitimate professional skateboarder doesn't just mean you're good at skateboarding, right? You have to like do these things that you are shitty kind of like that you're obligated to do but that makes you a professional at doing it and you have to be able to travel and you have to be able to travel you have to be a stable job. Just talking to my friend tonight and he's like, I mean me and him are both the same age or both 29 and he's like dude. I've never traveled on a plane alone now, it's like Fucking 95% of the time I travel alone. Yeah say that's flat. Yeah. I know you're the same too. And yeah, like you have a lot of alone time, but I don't know. It's just like there's a lot more than just being good at skateboarding. There's just oh, yeah, I think these kids nowadays are just like so I don't know just think that they just need to learn these crazy like tricks and just be as good as they can. Well something that really really good ones just vanish. Did y'all have a good attitude you're not like you can't get along with you you're not able to handle pressure. You're not able to take stress in right? I think Tony did a really good post on Lizzie Lizzie. Just one the one that can't be. Yeah, Lizzie. Yeah, I mean the compy shout out dude. She had food poisoning for that. She had a skidded demo for that shoes in Europe like dude like a little bit before the like week before that right got why didn't you got one day of practice Yeah. She actually told me she's like I think that's why I won because she was so fucking distracted by all that other stuff. She just skated and didn't think about it. But yeah, she's the if you want to look up professional in a dictionary Lizzy's name is right. Your face is right next to the that's how I mean that's a pro like I like I mean obviously like I mean, I look up to Tony like forever obviously, but like I look up to Her like she's like a really good role model of being a professional for sure. You know, I'm sure when you text her you get a text back. Yeah, and when I'm when I'm filming her and she should be kind of stressed. She still takes time to take a photo with a person that she doesn't know they could be considered bugging her like, you know, like as a lot of people do but it's just some people are definitely not in that tone of that all you kid. He's out there you have to have a good attitude and be polite and be nice to people because that's what really matters in the end of the day first. Yes. Well, we're going to take it to the bridge because I kept this going a little longer but I gotta hide it. I haven't seen fucking Aaron in at least probably a year we decided but Kuban no longer. I'm not even sure but I'm just stoked. This is my first time in your house. That's sick. And next time I'm here. I think it's gonna be real. Arnold kid he's like got some doors off. He's getting ready to fuck a jackhammer some walls. He's got fucking pain all over the place. Is that like so yeah Cura type animating three rollers each different size active I us tackle all voice stack in this round. We got candles. We got fucking box of shoes. Whatever you need. Oh, Real quick. I do want to touch on that. Are you getting shoes from anyone? I'm testing out some so that footprint in Seoul company though. Yeah. First of all, those are like hands in my if I could say one thing about an actual product that actually works. I'm just trying to be like a dumbass sales man. Like yeah that fucking footprint and souls like those work. Okay, so fucking good. I've tried so many other Ones those ones Hands-On work. They're making shoes right now. I'm proud that I'm testing out this years until until they're fine tuned. I'm not going to say anything right? I'm testing out some footprint okay's so all I can say is just Nia no-brainer like you got to be pretty stupid if you run a shoe company and don't want this dude wearing your shoes and jumping down and saying hey, these shoes are good on my feet because this guy's taken a beating on his feet. So I'm saying a great endorsement for shoes man. So I'm just saying, you know, that's my two cents on that. I appreciate it. But uh, we're gonna we're gonna take it to the bridge. We're going to get out of your chin hop and we're gonna fucking we're gonna give you a good little Jingle the take it Out of here. Thanks for listening. If you guys like what you hear hit subscribe hit review to like for some reason if you get the five star review and leave a review when if you have people leave a five star review. Yeah, like if you get like the more five star reviews you have like I think it puts you up on the iTunes page or something like that makes sense because you got a better review. 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So some some of it's probably just in my head, but whatever. It's real in my head exactly. Yeah, isn't that how it always is yeah, not a good weekend. How about you two, nothing major happened in my lifetime? I think good for you. Besides also come to Mountain know Sean. How was your weekend? I spent three days in Pittsburgh, Friday Saturday and Sunday, and it was for Steel City. And what a pleasure it was to deal with those Folks at steel city con new because it was a big con. So like sometimes those things can be hectic crazy looking sometimes the people that run them or like not very personable and you know, whatever but these folks were great and the people were great and even like the other celebrities like sometimes that's a thing to write like the other celebrities got their fucking heads up their noses up. Up in the air and like, you know, they'll want to you know, like they like it's like who the fuck are you anyways like knowing fucking knows who you are walking down the street - I have you noticed for you that is always usually like the lower level celebrities that are have the bigger heads where there are people that are more known and mainstream media are like the nicest people. Yeah. For instance Shirley Jones from The Partridge Family. What what a great lady. That's awesome. Yeah Gates McFadden from Star Trek the Next Generation. Generation, what a great lady Morgan Fairchild great lady all the guys from Sons of Anarchy, you know, Ron Perlman and Flanagan Theo Rossi all great really really super good guys. Yeah. Anyways, yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask like when you do cons like that you get a chance to go and like check out and like yeah. Yeah and then so and then there are some that are like if you don't buy anything, they won't even say hi to you. Sure. It's like what the fuck man, right, you know some people they stay go there. They don't realize how much it's going to be is it costs, you know, 20 bucks just to get in and then you know, it's like 50 bucks just to go like get a picture and a you know, a selfie was somebody right and you know, some people there already tapped out and they just want to say hi and you gotta buy some fuck you like fuck you what the people yeah. Yeah with the like the fans that came I loved it. It was great. Even the ones that are like annoying like I'm still happy, you know, I could get tickets, you know you even like the okay the ones that are quote unquote annoying are like it's like a minute right you deal with it for a minute and makes him so happy it fucking makes their day or their weaker their year whatever and it's like, you know, even if you having a shitty they suck it up thing is is when I have a shitty day, like what should happen very Often anymore. But if I do like when I show up to something like that and see the people it makes it my day better, right? I have a by fucking day is good just like that. You never know. They're probably having a shitty day. And for this one interaction could change a lot. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah and it's like where we were talking a little bit before we live. It's all about perspective, you know could always be worse George Takei was there and so talk to him about the time we lecture I talked to his house, but Brad by the time that they came and did tomorrow show off. There's like two hours son. Talked to George Takei this great. But anyways news I have they don't fucking have you remembered the didn't remember me though, right? Yeah, so and then wrestling wise it was you and I can talk mad house. That was fun, you know, even like so Honky Tonk Man can be like combat curmudgeon sometimes and but like I just I really enjoy even that version of Honky Tonk Man is fun. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, cuz it's like a lot of it's just kind of you know. Whatever. I'm not gonna I'm not inaudible talk man's head. So it's showing me to say but I just I get a kick out and he's fun to be around and even like do what he says shit that I totally disagree with. It's just like yeah, it's funny to hear it come out of his mouth Shrek. Yeah. All right. Yeah, so so overall it was a good weekend. It was great. Yeah really good. It's just that I just got back yesterday and I already have to get on and tomorrow and go to Orlando for the performance center. Nice. Yeah do my thing down there and then I fly back and I have something really cool. I'm flying back for but I'm not going to mention it right now right after it happens. I'll talk about it because if it doesn't work out then you know, I don't want to jinx it. Sure. So going back to what you mentioned that you're going back to Orlando for the PC. You've been going down more regularly. Now, are you getting used to it like going down there talking to everybody sure classes? That sort of thing like, you know what to expect now maybe versus the first time that you went in. Well, yeah and And so the thing is in going down on a regular basis and building a relationship with the talent and when you build that relationship, that's when you can really get through to them and that connection and and and then like you comfortable saying things to each other and giving feedback given honest feedback without worrying about hurting feelings, right things like that. Yeah, and Just and and that relationship you build that relationship with them and then it's just you know, when you see them go out there and fucking kill it in a match and you know, and you had something to do with that. It's just you know, it's really it's next. Best thing. I was mentioning this to say in some newspaper interview. I did for you know something I did a couple weeks ago and and you know we're talking about the things that you miss, you know, and like how hard it is when you're done wrestling because you don't get that, you know that instant gratification of going out there and knowing you did a good job immediately as opposed to you know, putting out an album or or a movie or even a TV show where you gotta wait to the show comes out of the album comes out of the movie comes out to get feedback and know how you did right, you know, or at least how the people think you did so Anyways, yeah, this is like that instant you get that instant feedback. Right? And and so I don't know why I said that part but you are saying it's the nest next best thing. It's the next best thing that's always telling in this in this newspaper interview. I did it's the next best thing to actually getting it yourself. Right like you we live like curiously through the guys that were out. We're helping, you know, and it's great. It's like it's not as Good, but it's like Nest next best thing. Yeah, absolutely. That's not cool. You also get to see like let's say, you know the last time you were there you told so and so this know and the next time you come and you're like, oh I see that you've been working on this or you applied that that must be cool for you to see us well, because then you see that they're actually taking seriously what you have to say in are applying that to their worker, you know, and also like if you give somebody advice and then they go out there and do it and it doesn't work right. It's like was it I gave him bad advice. Just didn't execute it properly, right, you know, so. Ah, nice, that's a good way to read never thought about it in that perspective. I can't imagine why you would the mean. Yeah. There you go. Like you give advice and it works and it's great and move on. Yay, you know. All right. Do you want to jump into the news? Yeah. All right. Well, let's go ahead and kick it off. So we have some new some NWA new. So apparently on September 30th and October 1st are going to go ahead and do their first studio tapings in Atlanta Georgia. Now, we don't have a venue date set yet or I mean, sorry a venue location set. But we know that it's coming and it's going to be different. What are your thoughts on it? I'm all for it. I was it was really cool. When I read I was a press release or an article or something. I read about it. I'm a big fan of Studio Russ and I grew up on it and like that Nostalgia aspect. I like I still go back and okay, so there's There's a couple of YouTube channels like 106 North Albany has all the old Florida stuff that I grew up. I was at some of those I can go on 106 North Albanese YouTube channel and like some of the stuff they have on there. Like I'm in the front row as a 12 year old kid. That's a skinny little fucking fucker. You can see me. I had the same red tank top on every week. But so and then there's like this one. I can't remember. Anyways, there's another YouTube channel. Like this guy named Chris is owner think that's right has that it's got all kinds of cool wrestling stuff. But like the old Georgia championship wrestling and then they switched it same Studio same show. They just switched it from Georgia championship wrestling to world championship wrestling. So are you know because they run cable around the country and you know, like they wanted to come up more as a, you know, Nationwide. Yeah. Yeah operation as opposed to Georgia championship wrestling. So yeah, so I watch all that stuff even in the background just so I can hear Gordon Soliz voice. It's a very calming thing for me. So I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan and that's why I like, you know Marquez is Jim Tressel from Hollywood, you know, because he's a big fan of all that stuff to obviously. Yeah, and and so yeah, I like Nicely like so you know, it's cool that day that that billion them that they're doing this and up. He's doing this but days been doing this for a minute. Yeah, you know for to be honest, yeah, absolutely everything for quite a lot quite a while and Studios. Yeah, so no, it's cool. I'm looking forward to seeing how that turns out. Do you think it's going to work in terms of a you know, we're so used to seeing these large stadiums, you know with and you know selling now with all these people there and seeing that it's like very Grand, you know, No, so do you think that maybe for the fans that aren't used to this, you know 80s Nostalgia could feel do you think it'll work or do you think it's going to gravitate more towards those people that want that Nostalgia? I don't know. We will see. All right. All right. Well, let's go ahead and move on then there was tons of wrestling this weekend like so so much. So, let's kick it off with NXT takeover Toronto. So want to kick it off with the first match. They don't really want to go like this. That's not do this like kick it up and First match second graph because like this isn't a review. Okay. So I saw some matches the ones I saw I saw Street profits and Undisputed era. They had excellent match. I really want a button. Okay, so we always talking about Montes, right and he really shined in this but let's not fucking Overlook our boy Angelo to the hot tags. Yeah. Oh my God, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And so I just wanted those some love his way because you know, we talked an awful lot about Ted's and and like to me like I I'm liking what I'm seeing from from the other gentleman as well. Right? He's had so many different partners kind of rotated in and out and I think he's really like just progressively gotten better and better better the pocket. He's in the groove and like the people like I think there's a cool connection with the people and unlike how it played out there. Toronto crowd was great, right? Yeah, they were yeah, I will say this though. I think Montes Force has one of the best-looking frog splashes that I have seen in a very very long time saying the guys awake in the leap. It's incredible. That's the moonsault the fact that he's that tall and can hit a standing moonsault like that is unreal. Yeah, and then like some of his facials in this like his instincts on when to like, you know, yeah just like like the emotion he shows out there and just Just a lot of really cool shit like that. All the in-between the moves that like the moves are incredible as it is, right, like he's so impressive but like all that little in between stuff. I talked about he's really really good at yeah. Yeah, both of them both of them and I like seeing them on raw and I don't care if they don't have a match. Right? Right, right. Yeah. So let's go ahead and nice break having them on Raw when they come in because they add like they have so much personality and so much Charisma that you know every week. Sort of been like, you know, intertwining with different people. So like you want to see like their chemistry would like, you know, Kurt Angle or you know, Sami Zayn or whoever they have it on with that we get. Yes exactly. So it's pretty cool to see that. All right. So which Master you want to cop on to we can talk about are you? Okay? So Co and Candice those two went out there and crossed it. Yeah, and yeah, I kind of figured that sure. Yeah the strikes the EO was throwing in that mesh good look and she she's done a really good job on transitioning into a Elena yeah, definitely. Yeah, I feel like this is a for one of the first matches that we've really been able to see EOS arise shine in specifically because this was her style of match. We were able to see the fast paced the fast-paced ability that she can do and not only that Candice larae was the perfect opponent for her because they're the same size and she can keep up with EO sure I so I feel like both of them complemented. She really dead know she really dead and it's and she's she's the type. She could take this loss and be just fine. Yes, exactly. It it's not like oh my God. She lost what we gonna do now. They're not right. He's still do whatever with her. Yeah. I think that speaks on how yeah how strongly they're they're building. EO is that like it makes sense, you know that she would win it's not necessarily a bad thing. But yeah, I'm aging amazing stuff. How did you feel about the ending? We're fine? I thought it was fine, too. Yeah, Koji clutch. I thought it was because I like when you know, they're pushing that hey this submission is deadly and I like to see when it's a mission when they're saying a submission is deadly. I want to see the opponent be like out like Fast not like super fast, but you know fast I don't want to see like this big struggle because this is a deadly one where you're just like, okay Burnett's this is over and I feel that it really got it. I feel like it really got the submission over. So what I'm trying to say, yeah for the most part I can agree with that. I've always been like okay, for instance like when Bret Hart finally get the Sharpshooter on me. It didn't take long for me to TAP. Right right. Sometimes it's good enough that you know, you got play that it's case-by-case right by ear, you know, the people depending on that people are and to me that's a mate like to me that's from me personally. I listened to the people on that one on how quick I might tap or not chat. Well, you're gonna tap eventually it's just yeah. So how does if you wait too long, you know, you people right? Yeah, but it always reminds me of that that match between heart and Austin at WrestleMania in the I Quit match where just you get that that shot of the blood running down his face, you know, it eventually passes out. I love stuff like that, but even the little things EO sure I did. For example when she was pinning Candace larae she turns her face to the side and it was just like that one little thing. I was like now like it really put over the fact that she is not happy with Candace larae and doesn't even want to look at her that's sort of thing even just that one little touch. I thought really gravitated towards that I just thought everything she did in the ring was like super crisp, which was nice. Yeah. I mean it's kind of like what we were talking about with with Montez Ford. It's those little things in between the moves, you know, that really really makes it really kind of stand out. All right. Pete Dunn versus Velveteen dream of versus Roderick strong. How did you feel about this one? Really good? I thought Roderick really really look great in this man. Yeah, I did for sure. Sometimes he gets ahead of himself out there like his he just gets so wound up man. He's fucking wound Tighter and a jump. Yeah, but I'd rather be I'd rather like, you know from pull the reins back a little bit then have to go. Hey, man, you're not fucking intense enough out there whatever. He's just really like technically one of the really like truly best guys on the roster right on a roster full of Little fuckin guys. He's right up there. Yeah pump technically and we Happy scene Valentin dream. Take the win. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't really have a you know, I think last week just because just to pick someone I went Pete Dunn. Yeah, really like have a pick or anything. It's one of those things, you know. Yeah. Now you leave the belt on him until there's like a plan. Yeah, you know like not just that let's switch a bell. Right? Right. That's good. I need is a belt belt teeth carrying that belt nicely. Yeah, you know, I love it. They dusted off the mounties theme for that for that question. Seriously? Yeah, I was like, what are they even doing here? Yeah, I was dig that takeover entrances. Yeah, do that special lens and then okay and then he comes out with them. Anyways, yeah. All right. I like that one of the matches that we can't seem to get enough of Adam Cole vs. Johnny Gargano. They did their two out of three Falls. What did you think about this one and when really long but there was so much in so many layers to this one. Yeah. I'm just going to fast forward to the final fall in the cave. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well. The the tornado DDT that he gave adam Cole on to like the back of the chair that edge God that was that was tough to watch. That was awesome. And the finish I got to I really like to finish that think they might have missed one of the tables. Were they supposed to break both the table. I got a definite match, whatever right? I forgot within one table there. Yeah. I like the reveal of the cage where the COS he said that it was covered up. So the fans didn't know I thought that was pretty cool because obviously had it not been covered up that would have Like a you know a giveaway sort of deal, but I thought I liked that aspect of it where the fans were like. Oh no idea that was on top those for my about that as I was watching it. Yeah, and then the fact that there's all these weapons and barbed wire and so much but now we seen them watch Johnny. He just can't fucking come to save his life Ray. But it's I feel like it's like that story that they told was Sami Zayn where it's like he's so good at playing that Underdog that everyone's ready to be. Okay, so but at what point does You have to fucking come through but array just lose. He did just go. Fuck it. He did have a Title reign. I know. Yeah, but yeah, but the team is is like, you know, I was wondering missed it by that much. How does this one compare to their NXT Brooklyn and XT 25, I you know, I think they it's right up there with the other ones sure. I mean That's the tough thing to when you're talking about someone someone like both of these guys. When each time that they go out there it's you know, five stars five stars five stars, you know to use that scale there, you know, we got to keep in mind that this wasn't really supposed to be cold Gargano, right? This was a I mean, I don't know over a year long build-up for a feud with what Champa and and Gargano out. Right? Right. Mmm, so I think they did a good really good job of you know switching directions with Johnny, you know what they had to work with and making this a You know, I thought they did a good job of making this like a meaningful like that. Yeah. All right, like just okay. What do we do with this? How do we dress this up? Right especially knowing that people are expecting so much given their past matches and they're like, okay, we got to pull out some new tools out of the bout, you know sort of deal. So that was pretty cool that the fact that they were able to you know, like you said still keep in keep those five, I guess are the six is whatever you want to rate them, you know in terms of the matches, so that's pretty awesome. Yeah and Picking and choosing how to build these huge spots, you know, whether it's the Avalanche Destroyer off the off the buckles or you know going through the table like they know how to build to it to really maximize that reaction. Alright. Do you guys want to hop on over to SummerSlam now, maybe talk about some of the I just want to talk about two things. Okay. dolphin Goldberg All right. Mixed feelings on that. I'm going to tell you what because you know, like I'm with people when they're going on. The fucking guy comes in, you know, he, you know just comes and gets a big payday squash these guys and they got to come, you know, come back and you know fucking pick up the pieces afterwards or however you want to put it. Yeah, and yeah, and that's what happened again, but I tried look, And and I get all criticism like The Goldberg criticisms. Like I don't disagree right necessarily, but I also have to understand like have to like acknowledge that he's over as fuck. Oh, yeah, okay and people still love him and it's well worth having him around. Okay, so like all right. Yes, I get it and I don't disagree but it's really If you can get a reaction like that, I mean, I'll be honest with you. I thought maybe after the Saudi thing with taker that the whole Goldberg think jump the shark, right, but apparently not it was still on. So hey, I'm just all for using these Commodities that we have available the best we can and I think it's I think it was unfortunately for Dolph I think it was the right thing to do to get him back. I don't feel good about himself or just the people feel like, you know, the last thing you seen was right? Not that yeah fucking Saudi thing. And I think that that match was exactly what it needed to be and it had those little surprises thrown in but those Super Kicks at the beginning and then and then God the way that Dolph took each one of those Spears was absolutely gorgeous. Yeah. So, what did you think about the post-match? for this When he came back out and speared him twice already keeps calling him back for the ring back out. I thought that was pretty I thought that added to it looks so much more was like no we can't get enough of it. But see that's one more time because don't learn did take those like really really nice. Like he took some crazy bumps like I could see that Whiplash on its neck when he went back for those. So that was pretty cool. And and so like they did apparently there was a little bit of a I guess that Matt riddle and and Goldberg cross paths. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were my what I read. I mean he is didn't read anything about it. I didn't hmm. I guess I guess there apparently was like nice to meet you bro. Like I ain't your bro. I mean that was the end of it. I guess there was a little you know back and forth a little bit sure. Yeah, whatever. All right. All right moving on. So I mean overall I personally really enjoyed the Goldberg Dolph Ziggler think it's fun. I love the way it started because I didn't expect the super kick right off right off the bat. I don't know me I just I didn't expect it. So that was pretty excited. I didn't expect the post-match. I love the I actually liked Dolf on the mic when he was saying like anybody can get lucky twice, idiot and this and that and he was just like wanting more and being that annoying person that just doesn't learn and you're like really dude here to kick your butt and you still want more, you know, so I thought he pulled that like annoying character off really really well. So it's like say what you want about what Dolph Ziggler and whatever happened. I think this was a good job it was and I just listened to the people I listen to the reaction and that tells me everything I need to know sure. So Goldberg is you know, he hasn't won his welcome out at all. So good. Hey fucking. Hey, good. Good job. Yeah. Do I talk about Brock versus Seth Rollins? Excellent match. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. How'd you feel about the crowd basically starting off one way with Seth and then basically making a full 180 in terms of how they felt about him during the matches, I think. A lot of that is based on how they use Seth recently. Like I he had yeah a lot of the stuff recently. Like I think that they've tried to do with him hasn't worked how they wanted it to right? Right, right. That's just way I My observation on it. It's not like I'm being like it's not like I'm watching really like I'm not like fucking like dissecting it with a fucking Jack don't know but I'm just saying before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including One you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV was I saying I think so. And get a certain reaction but it wasn't how I guess here's what I'm trying to say that happened sometimes. Okay, I'm going to use for example a Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair. Now, there was some matches where like people just like they paid in they were kind of They were like, you know, like gag me a little bit with the whole family man. Ricky Steamboat thing, right, you know coming out with his wife and the kid the horse. It was just like a little bit too much right? So and then so some people turned on Steamboat a little bit and then and so like you could tell in the beginning of the match and they were more for Rick and but with hard work, you know and just being so fucking great and such a great seller and just this so great period Ricky Steamboat like, you know, just he turned the tide and that's what happened here. You know, that's people just it's hard, you know at a certain point when somebody's just getting off fuck beat out of them. It's like man, you got to feel for them a little bit, right? Sure. So yeah, I think that's what that was. Yeah, I think his work is gonna have to transcend any of that and maybe the people might have thought, you know his it's just going to be another fucking sacrifice for Glasner. Hmm. So that's the thing. Is that for as good as Brock is a Ted giving offense. I think he's so much better at taking it as well. Like he can make guys look like a million bucks when he was in there with Daniel Bryan wins. He's in there with Seth Rollins. Like he makes it feel so important and this is why I chose to sorry, right? This is why when people God fucking part-timer the champ this is shit like that. That makes me go. This is why Brock Lesnar is the champ or like he's not the champ now, obviously because Santa is but That's why yeah absolutely fucking amazing less is more. So yes. Yeah baby. This is the case for that. Yeah for sure. All right. So let's start. Let's move on to Robin. So talking about let's let's hop into King of the Ring. Maybe they announced King of the Ring is happening next week. Do you guys have any thoughts excited? I'm not really like now, it's a great. Yeah. I love King of the Ring. It's just okay. We announced it and all sudden. It's already here next week right fucking can we build it up for a month or something? That's fair the fuck. I haven't seen a Livin right? I am excited because there there's some unexpected names in it. But anywhere if he's in it Cedric Alexander's in it, I'm not sure about the full lineup. But at least with guys like that. I'm hoping that they use it as a platform to sort of elevate, you know, maybe a lesser-known sounds that the whole draw the whole raw going to be that there's the whole tournament going to take place. Well, it's I don't know because it's eight people from I ate from Smackdown. I know that much so it'll probably be across both shows but Yeah, hopefully it just leads to a solid blow off and well, I mean in the past King of the Ring. White one somebody somebody got that it was true to the fucking to the Moon with them right until Billy want it in the finals. That's funny. But I think overall though it's a good way to kind of keep people coming back every single week, you know for however long this is gonna last depending on how they lay it out, you know, just kind of keeping that and keeping the content continuity of it, too. Because I think that's one of the people that's one of the things people have been talking about with raw is the continuity and wanting to see that continue on which each episode. So at least with this we kind of get that at least with this portion of the show. Just when I think what people want to see as well. Hey so night this stuff the other thing from last night that stood out to me was Maddie coming out right? He's She lays it on thick right along often right now and because she's very like, you know, she it comes from here like when she's out there and she talking like for better or worse like it's coming from a real authentic place where her right and so when she's out there, you know, she's like laying it on pretty thick and then she talked about her father and you know, it's hard to boo somebody when they talk about their father. They're rushing a year, right? So and I think and then when Sachi comes out and fucking just Hi, it was really good shit. Yeah, I was like really good stuff. If it reminded me a little of the the kind of the Mark Henry salmon Blazer retirement kind of promo a little bit in that, you know, I think when she pulled out that line about about Jim Neidhart, I think that's that's when the crowd was like, oh wait, you know like is you know, this is real, you know, so I think that's what needed to happen. And that was just yeah. That was a great great moment and Sasha was The intensity here. Yeah. I fucked her up. Then Becky came out and fuck back you up to a and then there was a spot in there where it look like there might have been some like maybe like Becky got mad. Maybe she got stiffed a little bit because I could see her like kicking back a little bit. Like that was like didn't look like it was part of like I don't know. I just got the feeling at one point like maybe Sasha fucking took it a little too far. I see maybe a little carried away. Hmm. Yeah. So what do you think? How do you think she looks in terms of you know, she's been gone since WrestleMania. She's coming back with this new hair this new intensity this new energy. How do you think that's gonna go out how that's going to play out that depends on how they booked it is think she's done her part already. I think it's it's going to be hard to mess this up for sure. If we're just straight up one-on-one going with Becky versus Sasha. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of you know, like fail-proof at this point. Here's the thing though. I like for anyone like that's in charge of writing or in a creative or whatever don't assume. That the people are all going to just jump on, you know, the Becky train on this like because some people are going to be for Sasha as a great Point. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So you think there's going to be a little bit like a okay who's really the heel here? It was really the face what's happening here? It's not that it's just that some people cheer the bad guy right when the bad guy comes out and you know what then once we hear what Sasha Banks has to say that's also going to add to it because there could she can say Then you're like, oh man, I totally agree with her where she even though she's the bad guy. You can't help but to also agree with what she's saying. So I think depending on the following well, hey. Can we talk about like at one point when was it during was it turned up fucking beat down him daddy when the people started going? Thank you Sasha. What the fuck expected. I mean I try to give them those out about thank you for what to give the crowd the benefit of the doubt. I think by that point they know like okay. This is an angle. We're allowed to kind of, you know jump in and kind of be on underwear. So yeah more or less. Thank you for coming back. I don't know. What was the thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being mad. He's asked for sure. No. Yeah, I think about her father died. That's where I get got versary. That's what that's what I'm that's what I'm saying. But that's what I mean. Is that once they see Sasha start to beat her up there like okay. This is all an angle were allowed to you know, like jump in however we want and be an asshole and I think yeah, I think people were just excited enough to see Sasha, you know. That's a they're going to throw that out there. Yeah, fuck it actually, fuck it. All right. Well, there you go. Those were some of the major highlights of rocks at SummerSlam and NXT. So is definitely a jam-packed weekend of restaurants so much. Yeah and tomorrow fuck. I just got off the plane yesterday never date tomorrow. I get on the plane and go back to go to Orlando, which I look forward to as Lou going with. Yeah. She's not which I'm a little You know, I just got home right and you know, my lady she works. Every day goes into the office and write every day and night. So lose home alone. Sometimes he said doulas dog hotels have you know, I mean, I'm sure she's happy like in her, you know familiar surroundings. Totally. That's why I God will bring her down there and like leave her in a hotel room. Right? What the fuck? What is this place in our you is you know, like in my mind. She worried about if I'm never going to come back again and my why do you so I think about that? Yeah. Well, how long are you going to be down in Orlando? I come like a little over a week. Cool. Welcome eight days. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah, cool. All right. All right. Well how far along in the show? Are we Jeff? As I said, that's a full show. We're hitting about 40 minutes right now. So perfect make our way out. I'll get it perfect music great show guys. Thank you. I guess before we go. Do not forget to follow us on social media at Spock One Two Three Sixty and at X Pac-12 360 show. We're on Spotify. Where an anchor on Stitcher. 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Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hello screams, welcome to episode 79 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa. And Rebecca. Are you sure? Yeah. Okay. I was going to say or episode 2 of 2019. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, but this is Lisa. That's Rebecca and I'm freezing because it's freaking one of those it's cold as balls. It is cold as balls. It's one of those aren't cold. So yeah, how did that even start? I don't know should we even did let's not do this. Let's not go down that road. It's a slippery one, but it's one. Those categorically Canadian days where I mean, it's the what stereotypes not that it lights negative 12. Okay, but you know, we do get like negative 20 here. I I'm but I'm a complete complete wimp. You forget the yeah. Yeah, it's cold. I don't like it. I don't like it. I had to bring the kids to school this morning. It's Justin's one day of the week and I'm just like dragging my ass out of bed. And yeah, it was not a bad I I wanted to leave this morning. It was so warm and cozy and lovely and oh man. I wanted that sleep. Hmm so much me too. Just hired. Justin calls me asleep monster because because I am yeah, you're a sleeper. I am a sleeper. I'm not a sleeper like, you know, I'm talented at it. Yeah. It's like my superpower. I'm not yeah, I'm not yeah, I'm good after like six hours. I'm good. What's your super power over six hours? Oh my God, really? Holy hell, hmm. Okay, what's your super power then? Hmm being able to go to the gym in a single bound ha ha ha I can't do that. I think that's a super power. No, it's not that bad. I drop off my kids at school and I go I can't get no except for this week. It's a had some clusterfuck this week. Well, this week's been because I've been here four to five times. We've been working a lot this week guys with the launch of the Pot and everything. Yeah, it's been busy. We also got to hang out with our friends on the wedding photo hangover. Yep, Steven dust out with us. I was so much fun. So we sat a are great. We talk to them like like like two hours but that was almost we were supposed to record that day and we were so tired by the end of the chat in a in a good way that we were just like you want to do another day. Okay. Yeah, so I feel so bad though, because I at one point I said creepy that Dustin was creepy. I In creep Emmett like mysterious and I feel so bad because they actually recorded that and I feel like maybe I hurt his feelings and I didn't mean it like he's creepy. I meant mysterious but I think creepy this is your opportunity to cut it out. I know sorry Dustin are you go exactly. Yeah. She didn't mean it. It was his Skype name was like that's what was creepy. It was like John Doe something but I it was he had it since he was like 12 or some there's a story guys if you a story behind that screen name which in fact An extremely creepy lesson. Well I said I liked it. You have like a creep Factor so it wasn't saying he's creepy. I said it's like a creep Factor. He's glad I have a creep factor and like I meant like a mysterious it's just as bad create almost worse. I don't mean he's not creepy at all for Dustin but also bad, but they're they're awesome. Those guys are great. And yeah, you know, there were so much fun. So their fellow photographers as well and podcast host. We love them and go subscribe to the wedding. Hangover, if you want to hear a little bit more from the photographer's perspective, maybe less swearing. I'm not entirely sure but I think I think they're not as I don't know that we were very professional because you know, this show is all about the professionalism if that's one thing I've learned over the last year. It's the show is about profile like I think I think our show kind of carried over there like it just yeah. It's like we were we were supposed to guest on their show and we were just like hey get on the bus. Let's go together. Yeah, but But you know what? That's what they wanted apparently so yeah. Okay weirdos. Like are you sure you sure and like 10 minutes and we're like you were you regret this, don't you? Yes, I know. Anyway, I was like, oh we're going to get an email saying we can't use anything what Rebecca said the moment we got off. They're gonna regret that moment of their life. But of the listen, I have to apologize I fucked up last last episode. No you did. Yes, I did. It and I had an absolute heart attack. You would not believe the terror of thinking that something that you recorded without editing had Yeah by accident. So some of you may have heard a rather unfinished version of our show last week and like I caught it thank God because my our friends Jessica and Kim in particular. I think we're the ones who wrote us and were like did you upload the wrong file? Because there's no music and you're talking under your breath, and I'm Like meticulous believe it or not. This F. This podcast is highly added it. It's highly it's loose but it's highly edited. I'm very careful with detail-oriented. So I was like, oh hell no because the moment I heard that I was like wrong file and I was like and I was like did I say anything really bad before? Yeah, sometimes we'll go off rail a bit and say something and then be like, I don't want you know, like maybe we shouldn't have said that or whatever but luckily we didn't but I was just I had an absolute heart attack. He's one of the cleaner episodes it was ironically but I Breakneck speeds running to my laptop to re-upload like to replace the audio file because it was completely edited and everything. It's just I picked the wrong stupid file. So now it's going into a whole new folder when it's it is look I do rename it. But yeah for whatever reason I renamed it the wrong file or something. And anyway guys, it was an Easter egg. So yeah, congratulations to those of you who got that download. It was a special edition Easter egg. Totally intentional for the long-term listeners who listen right away and oh my God, I had an absolute heart attack ice all over 600 downloads the moment. I was changing the file and I was like, whoa day. I was like, well, that's great. Jesus was and I was like, well the damage is done, so I'm not going to worry about it. I hope we didn't say anything, but I know we haven't had any angry miles out. So I think we're okay. But anyway guys, sorry about that. My mistake but I will try to be better. I said to my friend though, and I think I said to Rebecca. It's like, you know in a year and a half I did that one time. Yeah, so we're human sitter. Yeah, very especially this week. This week has been just balls to the wall crazy. It's been a clusterfuck. Yeah, it's been great. It's just been busy. So, you know, I mind cannot focus this week know if it was gonna happen and my husband said that to he's like you are like all over the place. For this week. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, we have a lot going on right now. So if it was going to happen it was going to happen this way. Yeah. Yeah, so it's done and I'm ready to get on with 2019 and of yeah, and the correct way for sure, which is good. I like it. Yeah. Hmm. So what else is new? It's my husband's birthday yesterday. Hmm. Do you actively will be lost next last week when this airs but no, we just stayed home. I made accretion dish that he loves and has you know, I'm fabulous like that. It only takes 4 hours could Fucking thing but geez, yeah girl. Hmm. My daughter painted him a painting which he loved. So yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I got him tickets to The Craft Beer Festival in Toronto. Oh, well who wouldn't love that, right? Yeah. That's awesome. And I was like, you don't have to take me and I'm secretly thinking she should be taking me. Of course. He should 10 I said, you don't have to take me to take a friend if you want. He was will you don't you don't drink beer? So why would you go and I'm like, oh, Uh-oh, Red Alert, Red Alert runaway steel right nothing. I said nothing because I was like, okay. Let's see how this plays out. I'm going to secretly text him and be like episode 79. Yeah minutes in yes from a friend. Yeah, you know, well, good luck Steve. Well, we'll follow up on that. So do you want to do want to talk about anything else before we jump in? I'm good. I got my brains fried this week. So I'm kind of sorry. I don't got a lot. I don't got a lot. That is terrible grammar. I'm gonna give you such a hard time for that. I because I have to I have to Lisa. Yeah, my mind is a mess. I know that's the first time I think I've ever heard you say that that's saying something right in the news. Okay. Okay, I like news. All right. So Global News I'm sharing this story because yeah, okay. Was that the intro? Yeah. Okay, Alberta couple with Maritime connection wed in front of lobster tank at Sobeys where they met, aw, isn't that cute the so B's in South Red Deer was her Lobster that was for all the friends people. I love that we so you're my Lobster. Now. You're my Lobster. Fuck her husband's the so B's in South Red. Deer was simultaneously a grocery store and a wedding venue on Monday afternoon as a couple tied the knot. In the meat department Travis has worked there for feel like there's a dirty joke there my head is not with it enough to come up with a she wanted his meat not let me let me sit on that and I'll see if I can come up with one for you by the end of the story. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. Travis has worked there for eight years four years ago. He met the love of his life on the job while showing off a crustacean. Oh, wait a crustacean or his crustacean. That's so bad section three days after meeting Travis. Tara came back to take a picture of him and his lobsters. Is she a lobster photographer the relationship continued to go swimmingly from there. Oh, come on. Yes to low low hanging fruit Global News the couple decided to get married, but where the majority of my family is back in New Brunswick? And the majority of her family is back in Manitoba. Travis said so really what's the logical decision meat department with a few dozen friends spilling out into the meat department Travis. Why is that so funny? It just is I don't know where they mail Travis and whose meat was spelling. Sorry, like okay, I have to say whoever wrote this. I hope all of this was intended. I really hope like really like it was always prefer assholes like us to read. Yes Travis and Tara tied the knot in front of the same Lobster tank where they first met. Oh my god did a tiny little lobster have the ring the wedding included a stuffed lobster to hold the ring. Damn it her hoof lobsters in love Atop The Cake. No, I wanted a real one. I wanted it to like a crawl out real slow and these things don't go fast. So I wanted it to crawl out of the tank really fucking slow come down. Like there's just string quartet playing 45 minutes later. The laughter gets out of the tank and finally gets to the front. There we go. Yeah, and then and then they eat him so there was photos now truly. Okay. Okay first thing it looked like people that were shopping just stopped to be a part of the wedding. That's kind of funny and cute. Yeah, and you know, they had like the lobster tank decorated with hearts and stuff. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay, who loves is like what is going on their wedding? I'm really not. Yes. You are all over it smearing it all over the meat department. I just you couldn't get married at home. They could have invited the lobster. They could have had them for had him. How time for dinner. Yeah, like, oh, come on. It's a pun a minute. It has been a long week hasn't it has I know and Okay, so Wasn't forget that they got married in so B's, you know people are getting remarried and Walmart KFC and everything else. I'd rather not forget but go on. What was the most troubling to me? Yeah was when she went back and took a photo of him and his lobsters sounds like a euphemism. Doesn't it? Like she they weren't dating yet. I don't know if she's ready days after meeting Travis Tara came back to take a picture of him and his officers. How do you do that? You go in and just be like like, he's me sir. I got a picture of you with your lobsters and he's like, you're my soulmate. Yes guys. The IR my Lobster, you're my Lobster the odds of that happening guys for those who are so fucking slimming probably low. Yeah. I mean great. I'm happy for them. They're in love. What have you they've got like five kids combined and stuff. Well meat department guys are notoriously easy. So, you know, they're always looking for it. But yeah, I'm happy for them. But I just I was just like wow, I mean that's that's all good for her. That's I mean, I wouldn't have the balls to three days after meeting someone come back and yeah going to take a picture of you and your lobsters and he's like that's not creepy at all. Absolutely. Yeah, okay. Hmm, you know, you're the seventh woman today who's asked me for a photo of me and little Poncho and I see your lobsters. Yeah, he holds it up. This is Pancho. He'll be dead in an hour. It's so disturbing to me. I can't even Pancho just seemed appropriate options on his way Pancho. Pancho is going to fill the bellies of this family. I feel like you should have a theme song You Know Poncho the lobster the the ring bearer Mr. Anyways congrats to the Lobster called five things. I did not think I'd be singing today. Yeah, congrats. Yeah guys. I mean you're married. They have five kids. Now you said no they have five kids combined from previous. Oh my God, where do you think she married her first husband like where the bananas were and like she went and took pictures of him holding his bananas. I bet he did it, but she did. She's like can I photograph you and she's known in the where's the woman who photographs men in the different departments? That's a unique couple there. I just I'll stop now. That's fine. I'm gonna renew my wedding vows at Taco Bell. Oh, can I come please? I really do you mind if I have a combo while I watch the ceremony, why do people get married at these places? Because Taco Bell? Okay, great. Yes, but can you not have your wedding somewhere else and order Taco Bell? Aye. I mean does it have to be actually at the establishment either probably just trying to get on the news. It's be honest. Well, I think that's the I think that's what it is. Yes to for publicity sake. Oh, yeah, like what obviously if you're getting married in front of a lobster tank in Sobeys. It's going to be on the news. Do you know why they probably would get married. It's a Taco Bell because they want Taco Bell the gift them free tacos forever. Oh, I bet right right for tacos for Life. Yeah. Yeah. So we have another story here. Okay, where's this one? Fine doesn't so listener. Sorry. Oh, that's okay. Just curious that there we go. Alright listener story. This story is one in which the biological father of the Bride had been in and out of her life the entire time. So a year before the wedding the bride tells him that her stepfather who has been her dad since she was nine would be walking her down the aisle like totally fair, right initially. The father was fine with this two weeks prior to the wedding the father tells the bride he Not coming to the wedding since he isn't the one who's walking her down the aisle, long story short, he ends up showing up in all black jeans and a t-shirt and his long-term girlfriend was also dressed like she was attending a funeral classy. They proceeded to not smile an any photos booed the bride and groom as they walked into the reception so bad. He's like this isn't half as good as that but wedding last we could talk. Go Bell and overall made rude and vicious comments for the entire reception loud enough that all the guests were talking about it and over a decade later. That's all anyone remembers about the couple's wedding not so shitty in spite of all the negativity being thrown at them. The couple is still happily married and eventually plan to have a small redo wedding at Taco Bell. I'm not going to let that go. That's just gonna be like, yeah. I think I've ever story is at Taco Bell that that that Terrible. I'm like, that's great. And she's like, that's terrible. Yeah, like that's your kind of a shitty person gotten that. You're a completely shitty person, you know, just don't go who booze a couple that wedding. Who does that introducing the bride boo? Yeah. Yeah, who does that? It's not fuck. It's not advisable people. Okay, we have another listener. Thank you to our listener for sending that in. Yes, if you have a story secret life of weddings at gmail.com. Yes. Yes. Mmm, tell us if you want your name or not. I'm currently in September right now. You'll get there girl. Yes, it's good. Okay, I would like to be kept Anonymous or given a fabulous fake name. Well, let's do that. Yes titty milk Tillerson. Just because when are you ever going to hear that name? Yeah. There you go. Sorry if your dude actually. No, I'm not I'm not the least bit. Sorry. Yeah, you might want to change the name according to the story. Okay a few years ago. I was dating a guy who was something of a Bomber got way too serious way to quickly. Love bomber. That's interesting. Yeah, does that mean like just just getting really serious quick? Yeah think I love your love is probably that too. I would think okay. Okay in hindsight. There were a lot of warning signs, but at the time I didn't notice we all have that problem. Yeah. We also had some family issues which are relevant. His dad was extremely sensitive and I think the kids including my boyfriend grew up expecting others to Walk on eggshells for their feelings the same way they had for their dad. I hate that I hate I was just about to say that yeah. Yeah. I don't want to get into too many details on this part because he is happily married now and I genuinely wish him the best and hope he's learned to chill out a little. Hmm. Anyway, he you know what? He probably hasn't know. She's on probably an actually like that type of person. He probably just found someone who's willing to tiptoe on eggshells for yeah. Yeah, that's it would Okay. Anyways, yeah, anyway relevant nugget from all that doesn't I got his twin sister was probably the most similar to Dad in that she felt slighted by bizarre tiny things and inconvenienced people as a power play. She's like is that red Jello on my tray is we didn't live near them and I was dealing with my My own version of this with the boyfriend, so I didn't really think about her until she got engaged about six months into our relationship. We helped throw them a small surprise engagement party. I put surprise in quotes because if the family had not thrown one, she would have had a fit incoming shit fit. Yeah. She may not have known the exact details, but she had a long enough history of being accommodated that she definitely knew they would be throwing one. It was fine both. Sister both sister, I'll call her Fiona and her fiance were in the military and in an effort not to be separated from each other when they were to be stationed elsewhere or you because they do get separated, right? They decided to get married on paper and then have a big wedding down the line. I'm not a huge fan of these personally, but I get it especially when it's due to military or insurance issues. She wasn't trying to hide it from anyone. And anyway, I was just her brother. Is girlfriend of six months so it wasn't really any of my business anyway, right? If only Fiona's idea of a quick on paper marriage to take care of the legal stuff was a destination beach wedding all in capitals. Oh dear. Yes. It was for family only but we'll get to that in a minute, but it was several hours away from anyone who would be attending her version of this legal Quicky Quicky also included tutor. Snow white wedding dress and a professional photographer. The guest lists was as follows her parents her sister her brother her fiance's parents her and her Uncle and Cousin and me. I had met her maybe three times before this. I am in her wedding pictures. I am a full proponent of inviting significant others, but this wasn't even supposed to be her wedding per se and I am cringing thinking about how I was at this. Emmitt, otherwise family only ceremony with less than a dozen people and now she's broken up with the dude. Yeah soccer. Yeah, I suspect the love-bombing. He was on the end of the photo so you can just take her out. Yep. I suspect the love-bombing boyfriend had significant input in the decision to include me which makes me feel even worse about it. My boyfriend. There are other sister and I ended up driving to the general region the night before but had to stay about 45 minutes away for other reasons. We were originally supposed to get ready with Fiona the morning of but she decided she wanted to spend the time alone on her wedding day fine, except she decided that when we were halfway through what ended up being an hour plus trip to the wedding ceremony site because it was a major tourist destination in a busy time. Oh good. Did I mention this was arbitrarily scheduled for right after Christmas. We hadn't even showered yet. The boyfriends other sister and I ended up taking our dresses with us into a Target bathroom to change on the way and I braided my hair to try to hide any grease Sheen. Sorry, why weren't they showered their religious was get ready the morning of with Fiona, but she decided she wanted a long time. So it's like they left and then they're like we have nowhere to go. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm like trying to shower in the Target bathroom. This isn't working. The wedding was very traditional. They had an officiant and did a sand ceremony took portraits and had a reception sand ceremony at the beach. They just get a kosoul Oka dip it down into the floor and go. Okay. Now you pour yours on top. Yeah you pour yours on top. Okay, let's just dump this shit back on the beach because it looks like crap because you know, it's not loose draw. Get the straw in the bottle cap and the cigarette butt. Yeah, yes or keep it forever in a glass. That would have been actually been really kind of funny. There you go. Yeah, right. I would have done that. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah and had a reception at a restaurant afterward. I still don't really understand the need for a do-over in this situation getting married early also ended up being pointless as she left her military branch two months later and was no longer at risk of being stationed. Away from her husband. The sunshine daisies had a half-assed wedding for no reason. I broke up with the boyfriend a few months after this. I wrote us note being like sorry about your wedding photos, but through social media saw that Fiona and her husband did have their do-over wedding a year and a half after the first different dress different photographer and much larger guest list. I'm not sure what the etiquette is for. Is that like a string and B string, huh? Interesting. I'm not sure what the etiquette is on. Inviting everyone to your second wedding who attended your first but I thankfully did not make the cut for this one. I don't know either like that's a good question. Yeah, it is a good question. I would say they would be invited with like explicit instructions to not bring a gift because yeah had you know what? I mean if they have brought a gift if you want to invite them again, you just say we absolutely do not want you to bring a gift. Yeah, please no, they shouldn't Barry get out twice. That's bullsháá. No, but we want to be you know invite you. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that she must have learned something from inviting me to her wedding because my ex-boyfriends new girlfriend who is now his wife was not included in the family portraits this time around. Why don't they just Photoshop his current wife's head onto the original porch? Yes. There we go. See you see what I just did that. That's an ideal thing to say to your tog refer. Don't do that. Don't do what I just don't do what Donny don't does just it's just don't know no no, no my favorite part of this second wedding thumbs up Fiona really well. After having warned very traditional wedding attire at her first wedding and having been married 18 months at the time of this one. They did a first look. Okay. Well well, well that's whatever floats your boat unnecessary. Well, he hadn't have you seen her on the new dress who gives a flying fuck I am where I still like first Lux man. I do like first looks when it's an actual. First look but were they but if you're actually married her, all right, so what not that day. Oh my God, I like new outfits. I don't know but all this. Yeah, I mean I get it. I guess people do this first time, you know, I thought did she yeah like I don't know all I picture is that sand ceremony? I think I think I'd be more on board. If she didn't really have a wedding the first round and just like went to the courthouse and been like we just need the paper. No, but I think she half a And then regretted half-assing it and then yeah, it's trying to redo it. But let me tell you something. I'm married. I know and my wedding wasn't like definitely wasn't everything. I wanted right I have zero interest in doing another I I have pondered doing a vow renewal somewhere hilariously awesome. Like so like you know what? That button. No but like I could see going to Vegas and going to one of those amazing chapels with Elvis. Yes, like or okay or like somewhere that's meaningful to us like yeah, Southfork and Dallas so, you know, how you and your husband did those photos in Paris? Like yes that I would do. Yes. Yeah that I would do it because guess what my photographer sucked balls. Yeah, and I don't have any photos of my husband and I yeah, it was the really good decision so that I love that idea. I think people should do. That can I hear anything. Can I quickly plug my photographer because he was so yes. I love him to death. He was amazing. His name is Fran and he is the Paris photographer. I think it's odd that parasitic know what you need to do. You need to post a couple of your photos in our group I should say. Yeah. I should their amazing. I was really happy with their fucking amazing because we didn't we didn't give our photographer enough to act like it was a newbie younger photographer at the time when I got married and I was really thrilled with you know, what came out of our way. Ting photos but it was half my fault because of the timing but the point is we finally got some beautiful photos together. Yeah in fucking Paris. It's yeah so pretty so I will I had like a couple outfits and I got ya Ali sexy dresses and you know, it's fun. And yeah, so to Justin's dismay all share some photos in our group. Yeah because he loves being public but honestly like you those senior photos that made me want to get mine done and I you know, I know Not like my photo taken. I know at all. I know like we had to do our head shots for this podcast and I was like, oh, yeah your fatal talking against it. They were just like I know we have to do this but oh, yeah, I couldn't relax doing it. That's great though. Yeah. I definitely don't come off as myself at all. But I mean, oh for god sakes I'm looking like I jumped out in 1955 we both do that's the whole point. It's but Tracy did an amazing job offer. Oh, yeah, it has nothing to do with her. It's just Me I'm just not that not comfortable that into our zone of us photoshopping her favorite food. Yes. Yeah and the artwork was born. Yes. Yes, but yeah that inspired me to do it and all I could think was Couples need to do this. Yeah do is shoot after they do and I have done them. I have shot stuff like that. Yeah mind you not in Paris but here in Canada for couples. Oh, yeah. I have been married for whatever and they're not doing a vow renewal, but thought I want foot. I want to nice photos. I didn't want to. I did a 10 year anniversary shoot when you my humble who dressed up and rocked it in Toronto and amazing. Yeah, they had like a Lamborghini and like we shopping with Lamborghini and like all the sudden and their son was there and yeah beautiful, you know, it was a beautiful day. So, you know, that's a really cool way to celebrate and get a completely different dress. She was in like a sexy red dress and like yeah thing and I had a black dress and like one that with gold the kind of sequins that yeah on the back and you know couples out there. Let me tell you if you're already married. I don't care how long it's been a year or whatever go do that. It's completely different than your wedding photos. It was a completely different thing. It was really cool. And if you got a pair of look up Fran because he is like legendary there the Parris. Yeah prefer. Yeah, but I would say instead of doing a vow renewal like with a bunch of people and shit like that or do redoing your wedding go do something like that. Like I would do that. I know everyone's make their own decision, but I'm telling you look at least pigeon tell me you wouldn't want to do that. Yeah, I'd be shocked. If someone didn't it was fun. We made times over because we were there shooting an engagement session for a client. Yeah, they took us there and we did it was incredible and I actually had pulled an all-nighter because I was at the Moulin Rouge until like 11:00 p.m. That night. Yeah shooting them and then we went and got McDonald's with her in her wedding dress and everything was great. That's all for naught was in a wedding dress start wasn't wedding dress because it was engaged in session but it was a fancy a stress. Yeah, and we went and got Royale with cheese. Yeah, that's you know her in Pulp Fiction. It was it was so good. It was so good. That's a sketch. Yes area to yeah, you know that but now it's pretty sketchy never been there. It was late at night. Oh so cool. It was the most beautiful time. Anyway, I digress but I'll share some photos. It was yeah, it was a good time. Thank you so much for writing in that story to our listener are not animals listener are now we didn't give her a name. Yeah. Oh taking my medicine. Why? Okay, why are why were you crapping on my my name? Um, Just because about what the story was about. I thought you were going to come up with like no, I still like Teddy mcjunkin. Yeah. Hi ladies love the podcast. I have been binging hard love that listening in the opposite direction. Sorry, don't be sorry. I could I don't care. Which direction why do you think I introduce us every time because some people listen from top to bottom and some people listen from bottom to top. Yeah, there are no judgments here and just join the patreon for more. Thank you so much. Never thought I Be able to find another podcast where I enjoyed the host banter as much as MFM you guys are so funny. That is like the highest compliment I've ever had. So thank you. I've never listened to them. But thank you. I have so many wedding horror stories. My own was a complete comedy of errors that I can only laugh at now that a decade has gone by sometimes it takes that long my dear the craziest and most fun wedding. I ever went to ended it around 3:00 a.m. With a call to the fire department after a groomsman fell asleep. In a revolving door of the hotel staff couldn't get him to wake up Johnny Johnny Johnny thump. Oh, wow. Oh, that's great. You know, there's not a lot that my husband didn't do when we were dating and he was drinking a lot, but that's one that he hasn't done now. Yeah, no. No, he hasn't done that. Let's get something to Aspire to that's amazing. I almost want to fake that just to see what would happen, you know, like pretend to be Wicked drunk and then yeah, so the the revolving door. Yeah, you know waste and fire ya time. I'm sure that would go real well. Oh, yeah for sure. They'd love it. This is my official disclaimer, please don't do that guys. It's a bad idea. Those are all stories for another time. However, wow, that's not even the one we're getting. No, that's like I'm already happy. You've already done your work. Thank you for that today. I am writing about the world's worst wedding guests my aunt names and innocuous details have been changed to protect the innocent. Okay, mostly to protect me from her Insanity. My dad's sister is a person unlike anyone I've ever Thank God when you meet her you can tell she is clearly a little off. Imagine if Charles Manson and Ursula from The Little Mermaid had a love child. It would be my aunt. Holy shit. Now. I'm just picturing Ursula with a swastika like, you know carved in her forehead because that's that's about right for this story. We shall call her aunt car Charla Charla Charla Charla. I think Charlotte no Sharla. Okay. It's with the See, that's the thing. I have a friend Charlie but sheet that's with an S. So that's why I'm like, right. So let's say Aunt Charlotte. She is nice to your face, but never looks you directly in the eyes. That sounds weird. Although I know that can be a thing with some people. Yeah judge and says some of the craziest shit to you all with a smile on her face. Oh, that's creepy. So she's like darting eyes and smiling and saying creepy shit. Whoo. Yeah - yeah. Okay. She also. Golson instead of laughs I'm going to say those were Ursula comes in. She has no clue. She is batshit crazy. They never do she has never uttered a word of apology for any of the messed-up stuff. She has done not that people would confront her. She lacks any sort of rational thought which makes confronting someone like her particularly fruitless. I am one of five kids and four of us are married. Here is a smattering of what Aunt Charlotte has done at our various weddings and You just keep inviting her. Stop inviting. Yeah, just stop that's Aunt Charlotte has table. Oh, yes. She gets her own. She's at her own table so much that's her cocktail hour in this room this coat closet. We did a private one for you. So many things make her a terrible guest maybe it's her love of going off registry at my sister's wedding. She insisted on gifting them at the wedding the quote authentic African tribal mask that she got During her recent travels in the continental US so bad. Okay, pretty sure picking up something at T.J.Maxx negates any authenticity. Well put she has a ton of money. Please just swipe something off the registry. I don't need a checkered miniature tea sets, you know, someone got that because that's way too specific. Yeah, I would love to know what goes through people's minds when they picked this random shit. It how dare they like only what did what what what went through their mind that they thought this person would like this. I have no idea like it blows my mind. Maybe it's her love of ordering around catering staff. Oh, she just pissed me off. She has been known to call the venue to try and special order meals for herself for us to pay for of course, she will treat the waiters and waitresses like her own personal staff sending back dishes demanding different trays of hors. D'oeuvres be brought to where she and quote her guests are seated. During the cocktail hour or just asking for bottles of wine to be brought to her table. She called The Venue at my brother's wedding and asked if she could have a cake made and sent to her table with candles because it was her son's birthday. Oh my God, it wasn't his birthday. By the way. His birthday was six weeks away. Wow. Oh, yeah, she was hurt and horrified when we mix this idea because her son was out of town and it was Was quote the only time the family would be together what was wrong with taking five minutes out of the reception for her family. Did I mention her son was turning 36? Oh God. Don't worry her behavior extends to the photographer as well. Oh fun, uh-oh. Look out at every single wedding. She has managed to finagle a stage family photo for her only her immediate family. If you are beginning to think that well, this might be obnoxious behavior. It isn't anything that would Any real effect on the wedding saddle up, we're just getting started. Oh girl as a whole my extended family is not a punctual Bunch my sibs and I know this and purposefully started our weddings at least 10 minutes late. This extension of time was never more necessary than at my sister's wedding. The wedding was at a church. The church is set up like most where you have the exterior doors which open into a small gathering space and then the interior your doors of the church would open into the actual Chapel. My sister had six bridesmaids three friends Three Sisters, the processional started first bridesmaid walks down the aisle and Sharla enters through the exterior doors. She wildly and loudly says how high hugs my sisters and I as we are waiting to walk down the aisle while this is happening the second bridesmaid walks down the aisle as Sharla finishes putting her red lipstick all over my cheek. She Adds to walk into the chat and somewhere a makeup artist dies. Yeah, she decides to walk into the chapel in front of the third bridesmaid. Wow. He first think she is just trying to sneak in front of the bridesmaid to get through the door to walk down a side aisle. Nope. She starts walking down the center aisle waving it relatives like the fucking Queen. She stops halfway down the aisle when she realizes her husband isn't with her and then starts yelling at him to come on The Wedding Planner who was also probably having a corner wedding planner who had stepped away to grab the bride from the waiting room ran down one of the side aisles and in what can only be described as a restraint tackle grab my aunt and tried to escort her to the side aisle. This caused more commotion as Charla was utterly confused by this person trying to tell her what to do Charla ignored the wedding planner yelled louder for her husband and walks. She's like damn, Oh my God and walk straight down the center aisle. This leads to my wedding in which I hired the same planner as my sister. We thought we were prepared for all Sharla could do we were not. Oh my this woman is too much too much we held the ceremony until Charles arrived 15 minutes late ducked out head to toe in white. No, she didn't she did other than Eating a large I roll from me. I wasn't really bothered by this because it is par for the Charla course what bothered me was when I started my slow walk down the aisle and other than hearing the piano player chop Ali playing the wrong song. I hear my Aunt Charlotte angrily asking guests why I have on her veil and then asked another relative loudly if I had stolen the veil from her house at this point. I hear my mother turn around and say something to the tune of shut the fuck up to Charlotte come on. Love Mom the veil I was wearing was very special to me. It was my grandmother's Charles has mom it was a beautiful floor-length lace appliquéd man-to-man Tia style Veil. It had only been worn by my grandmother. I had stared at pictures of this fail my whole life and wanted to wear it as a gesture of how much I love my grandmother. Oh, that's so sweet. But Mantia veils are so So pretty too I just so you guys know if you don't know what I'm Auntie Avail is it's like with the veils with the lace all just around the face and all the way down. The edge is so pretty. I took it with me dress shopping to make sure any dress I picked would go with it and this bitch was ruining my moment. I shot her a look that I hope conveyed what I was feeling which was quote while there is a smile on my face right now. I hear what you are saying and I'm trying so hard to actively ignore it if you think for one second you are going to Corner me with your crazy rantings at the reception. I'm going to cut a bitch is after my own heart. Yes during cocktail hour. She went around to all the guests to let them know it was her veil and I had stolen it without asking a lucky few guests. Also got to hear her talk about how I went into her closet stole her wedding dress and cut it up. Up to make mine. What the fuck? This is so weird. Okay, you know what your aunt need some medication batch it seriously my relatives and own grandmother her mother told her to shut up and that it wasn't her veil and tried to explain this to her to no end the next day. One of my nicer ants even went to Charles has house with pictures of Charles has wedding and mine to show her. It wasn't the same. Her response was a shoulder shrug. Sorry, this was so long. Oh my God. Maybe I hope you enjoyed it cut out Parts. You don't want to use not happening SSD GM Lisa. The singer Rebecca's sincerely Anonymous. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. You are amazing. And the people I would not have invited that no to my running. I understand the family that aren't you you are. Yeah, you're a friend during that. I'm sure you were absolutely breathtakingly. Your ass ain't shit. I fucking Satan half because I think I would have decked my in. Oh, yeah, actually, I think my sister would have my sister definitely would have said something. Yeah, I would like hauled off. Yeah. Yeah, it's you know, somebody's got a deal with that one. Yeah, ideally a psychiatrist. Yeah, she needs. No seriously. There's something wrong not wrong. There's something we're past delightfully quirky. Yeah point. Maybe she's just a bitch maybe. Yeah, she's clearly not. It has to be the center of attention. 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I'll aybar her and all the nerd girls right now are going yeah OMG and I'm like great. What does that mean? What do you want to know our it's RPG is role player game. Okay. Yeah. I clearly don't play games that um, I bought her an I drink because she thinks diamonds are boring. I love that and was already for my proposal. I made the game to end with a movie of how we met and how we had our first date and my characters would propose to her. My character would propose to her character when I showed her the game an error came up. And I had to spend 30 minutes fixing it before she could see it and I blue screen of death and I proposed that worked out in the end, but it was embarrassing at a time on the if it's on the Windows. Do you know what happened to me? It would pop up with big fat letters saying in the very beginning being like proposed proposal dot exe is crashing and it's it would just be like well now she Nose. Yes. Yeah. Oh man. Oh, I feel so bad from that's a lot of work to put in. That's so great still though. That's so great. Yes cut to our wedding day. We had made all the arrangements and everything worked out fine. I asked my best friend Louis to be my best man. I was in college and he just graduated but was planning to come back to be in my wedding. I sent out invitations to distant family members and everyone I could think of the night before the wedding Lewis was supposed to come stay the night at my apartment and then leave from the church after the wedding. I hadn't seen him in a whole semester and anticipated hanging out again at 9:00 p.m. That night. He called and canceled on me. My I feel like we've had this happen before my wedding was tomorrow morning, then every single relative and friend. I invited didn't show up. My my dad had his 68 year old friend stand in as my best man. I didn't even know him. There were only Two people on the groom's side just get a mannequin and put a boutonniere nobody'll even notice it's fine. There are only two people on the groom's side my sister and my mom my dad is a pastor who performed the ceremony so that will forever be in the record that I had a stranger as my best man. Also, my wife's mother was 48 minutes late to the wedding. When asked why she was late. She said that she forgot to get ready in time. Oh dear. She lived ten minutes away from the church. And it was her first daughter's wedding remind me after this. I feel like do we do the story? No, okay. I don't think so. I just think we've had like similar stuff. Yeah, remind me at the end. I'll tell you I'll tell you one of my little stories. It's just an anecdote and I don't think it really matters cool. I'll just tell you it's about a late late. Yeah L8 family to a ceremony reminded me it's fine. Now, we have been married for five years and have two amazing daughters. We couldn't be happier with each other. Our relatives are a different story PS my sister had a wedding and every relative. Across the country showed up most of them traveled hundreds of miles just to see her she had well over 80 people from our family. Most of them were surprised to remember that I got married. Excuse me. Oh, that's so sorry. Why? Is there be shitting on Tyler? I feel like I told this story already know but I think I've just read it so many times. I think you have just read it so many times maybe no that's that's a really cool way to propose Tyler. I'm Gary. It's screwed up. Yeah doesn't matter. That sucks. Monkey balls doesn't matter. Her and I think it's cool what you did? Yeah and congrats to you and Kaylee because that's awesome. Poor guy came wedging the stress. Yeah, that was a runner in that moment. Oh, let me tell you just because it's kind of related. Yeah, so several years back. We had we had a couple and they were getting married on a day when the Gardiner Expressway was shut down. Mmm. Okay. So for those of you who aren't Toronto folks the gardener Expressway is kind of like the one main Highway that goes to downtown Toronto from the West End. Yeah. Okay. So everybody sort of lives either east of the city north of the city west of the city and then the south of the city is they'll actually click on tastes really hard to get into the City without this road. Yeah. There's basically two roads that go. Yeah Lake Shore Boulevard right actually runs along the lake along the bottom and then there is the gardener which also runs the same way, but it was closed. So it's like generally speaking traffic Scrappy in the first place. Yes. Yes, and it's already stupid. You got blue. Jay games. You got events. You got it just everything and you know, Toronto traffic's been notorious for a while now. Yeah anyway, so they didn't know but you know maintenance the spring maintenance are what God knows whatever or a marathon or something shut it down but all day. Mmm. So here's the problem. They were getting ready in the West End. Their ceremony was downtown Toronto and their reception was back in the West End. Oh for shit's sake. So we were all on Lake Shore Boulevard only. Yeah the entire way. Oh my God, we all manage to get there except for the groom's parents. So the groom's so everybody's in the church. We're all waiting and the groom's parents are the poor things or on the road. They're doing their best. I mean, yeah, everybody's kind of coming from different areas to This so you could tell though the parents didn't really get along. Oh, no, the bride's parents and the groom's parents and it's not that they like I don't think they like hated each other by any means but you know when you can tell when they have an affinity for one another or if they're just very different in their backgrounds and they clearly haven't bonded. Yeah, and they're just like we kind of don't get them but that's fine and we kind of don't get them but that's fine or yeah, I have one that's a little rougher than the other. Yeah, so this was sort of the situation. Shouldn't and then the they were they were in one car together. No, okay. The bride's parents were at the ceremony. Okay, looking at their watches going we're holding up the ceremony from the groom. Yeah, the groom's parents everybody else all their families in the church. And also let me clarify the background of this family. It was their background in the church. So all their relatives all their religion, right? It was their church. It was that like it was their side. So they almost feel like disrespected to write not really disrespected at all. Everybody knew it was just you know, they did no no, they were just they were anxious and pissed off in the sense that like they just wanted to start. Yeah. They just wanted to start the ceremony so they must have thought a little bit. Well, we've made it on time and so did everybody. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I know is that I don't think they gave a shit. Yeah, they her mom comes up to me and goes they're not here. Should we just start without them and I go probably not. This is the groom's parents. Yeah on his wedding day his one wedding day and I'm like you're asking the photographer whether the wedding should go forward. I got like there's like I'm not even a planner like yeah. Yeah it alone. Anybody who should be making this decision on behalf of the groom's parents. Yeah, and I'm like probably not it's his one wedding. So you should probably wait if you can you know, yeah So eventually and I was like, you should probably go ask the bride and groom. It's if they were asking me kind of like, yes, we should clearly they were going to be like no, you're such a bitch. Are you serious? You wouldn't know you wouldn't know I would do I would have been like you should ask her daughter it got worse though, because anyway, so I was like probably know. So anyway, really sweet couple to yeah, so the groom was really kind. Anyway, they waited thank goodness the couple got there that his parents and then they proceeded to get married because because the mother was like because this really this whole Ceremonies for our family anyway, that's what she said because because of this the rules there's some the background right the fact that was a religious ceremony and every yeah, it's basically like they're doing it for a for us anyway, so they don't really care about it. Yeah inferring I'm thinking Well, they probably care. Yes ceremony. Anyway, we all get back in the car all our photo time, of course is eaten up traffic getting back to the venue. Of course. I am in haul ass moments where I would say. Yes, you're such a bitch. I'm just kidding. Hence why I'm in like haul ass mode. Yeah, but it gets worse because then the mom is in a terrible mood, and she didn't want to move the photo time or something and this happens. Sometimes you have to deal with family and one of the reasons I left wedding photography be honest. Anyway, it just gets stressful and you just don't love you anymore fucking Swell, so I said, okay we have to quickly get you know, the family formals done after we have to we're losing the light. We really really need I need need the couple now or we're not going to get it done. Like I usually we're supposed to do family foremost first. Yeah, but I decided it was best to flip a couple was like absolutely of course, whatever you think. Yeah, so I was like what, you know whipping around doing this and I don't have time to argue because you know, the reception is starting in a minute their whole cocktail hour got sucked up by the yeah. So anyway, the mother starts pitching and absolute shit fit because her photos weren't being done right then and they were like to the point where she was like, I won't be in them and she like refused to be in the family formals. And then the mom of the Bride. Yeah. Yeah, and I think she was either threatening to not be in or she decided not it was several years ago, but didn't end up being in them. I can't remember. I feel like probably because I would have remembered if she completely but she threw a fit and said she wasn't going to be on them for a long time God what is wrong with people? Anyway, the point is it all worked out. Yeah, we handled handled it because yeah, it was experienced. Yeah, kept the bride and groom FY wedding photographers are like jack-of-all-trades. Oh, yeah, we have to handle family drama. We have to handle everything. Yeah. I'm trying to like break it up and just be like, it's cool guys. We can do it. We're gonna do them right after I had to start putting my foot down with this mother. Yeah. I was like, you know, anyway, they were the sweetest couple and they're beautiful and I'm sure they've probably had a family by now and whatever but they're anyway good luck to them and There are great. But I was just like, you know, sometimes wrenches are thrown into your plans, you know, highways are closed. You have to roll with it. Yeah. Sure. Your parents are there that would be the photographer gets stuck on an elevator like that like that and when that happened to you. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I just wanted to share that with you. I thought that would be fun. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. My God had shared one of her soul stirrers so much. Drama family Dynamic. I don't like drama because that's kind of what we do. You know there is drama. There's drama at every wedding. I don't care what wedding it is. There's always something drama. So we want to do a read it rip now. Yeah, but this is a bit of a special Reddit Ripa's. Yes. Okay. There's there's a reason we're doing it. Okay. So before you go into the rhetoric Lisa, yes, I just want to let everyone know we're starting a new saga next week. Okay. Yes. Yeah. I'm very excited. Any teaser no, no, okay. I didn't have much hope because you know what? I figured out what if it's--it they'll good. Yeah little screams. There you go and Google the shit and read it all you sound like John Wayne just there. Do you know that dearly you did? Yeah, that's kind of I can do one. Yeah in can do a voice. Yeah anyways, so I'm not going to I'm not there's no two more teasers for sagas because you got to wait to hear it. And then after that you're right, I that was my fault. I should not have asked I should have no no, I should have known I just knew how everyone is they can't wait. So you said that before? Yeah going to stop talking. Okay. So anyways now we're going to do a rep now. This has been circulating all over the wedding groups and read it everywhere this whole nightmare story. Okay. So what we're going to do is we're going to tell the first part in our main episode and we're going to tell subsequent Parts. Yeah. And patreon just because I know well most of the people yeah, whatever. This is part of the where I'm going with this is part one if you want to hear extra like if you like the story and yeah, you want to hear even, you know more in depth stuff. We're trying we're just trying this out for fun. The Reddit rep can kind of stand on its own right and then it's like if you want to hear more detail hit up the patreon and check it out patreon.com slash E.coli for weddings before we get into that. I want to say thank you to our new patrons this week. Thank you, too. I'm going to pronounce this badly MZ. So Ms. Benzedrine, then the green Benzedrine Carla s Marianne L IV n and Azalea see they went to patreon.com slash secret life. I mean, why do you interesting names it to definitely extra half-hour episodes every single week and doing an extension of of this so it's going to be good. Yeah. So Rebecca, how bad can a wedding invitation be? Oh this one's pretty Bad, okay. I was assuming it wasn't good. I received an invitation to a wedding about mid August of this year that has me completely puzzled confused and a bit pissed off starting with the invite. Every line had a different font styling color. Oh my God. I want to barf in my mouth. Right right as if they used every font in Ms. Word to design it. Oh, okay. Do you remember WordArt? Yes. Oh man. I hope that Use the blue word art, you know, it's a blue the blue and purple that goes on an angle. I used to those used to be all over my book reports. Yeah, just saying 90s kids reunite right now. There you go. I'm not talking about those cool do-it-yourself invites that you see on Pinterest. I'm talking about searching through every font style than Ms. Word has to offer and using it. It's very very odd and basic computer looking the it's like comic songs all over the place. Yeah. Yep. The place is classy. No, no when you get When you want to go classy Papyrus all the way there's nothing that pisses me off more than driving by a storefront and it's usually like a basket store something and I look up and it's fucking motherfucking Papyrus and their logo is just Papyrus with their work. I don't know why people are still using it. They think it's fancy. I don't it drives me crazy. It is not it's not guys get a logo the background is very juvenile pink and purple with confetti. Oh my God. I love it. Very close to a party invite and Not a wedding invite. I typically do not give any type of invite this much attention regarding its quality or look but this one stands out it says this quote Ted and Mary are getting married on January 11 2008 2019, please one is that is that today? What is the date? Oh today is it today? Yes, amazing. Wow, when this drops it'll be last week, but but we're recording this today Ted and Mary are getting married. Yeah, wait. Wow. That was me. That was so meant to be please RSVP by 11:15 18. Our registers are online at blank. This font was size was the largest of all the lines join our Facebook group page for the latest updates. Then there were eleven pieces Heats. Would there be to a wedding? Well, there are updates people have people have wedding websites like for Zola. No. No I'm saying like we're to stay where to stay things to do in town register, but that's usually Lee what like Zola is awesome for that because it's a whole and cubs things like that you do at once. Yeah, but like dates on Facebook page, I think it's just instead of a wedding website because it's a group page Facebook group. Go to Zola people go to Zola instead code Secret Life. Anyway, just saying get 50 bucks, whatever plug plug plug plug plug, but then there were 11 pieces of paper that came out of the envelope like confetti each one of them had a registry Target Walmart Bed Bath & Beyond, Williams-Sonoma. Burlington Coat Factory Macy's Zola. There you go. Nice pottery. They should have just used my website. Yeah, no kidding Pottery Barn it free. It is free. I put Zola on there, but they get a free website. So why wouldn't you use it actually to be fair? This was back in 2018. I don't know if they have the web sites yet. Hmm. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll let it slide. It's fine Potter. They do now though Zola.com Pottery Barn Amazon Wayfarer cratenbarrel. I am in disbelief about it all and frankly real. Okay. Hold on a second. I'm sorry. I'm still stuck on this little okay, if you say Zola one more time to write the face only because Zola has all these brands on there. I'm a smash though. I don't know why they listed on I don't think they're too bright doing all they had to do is say go to Zone. I know it's stupid. I know it's so stupid. No, it's dumb. I'm okay right now calm it down. I am. Disbelief about Allah loves me. So it was like we want to renew for four years. I am in disbelief about it all and frankly really confused and E2. Yeah, I bet you are. Is this a wedding invite her engagement party? I thought it was a mistake and maybe a hold the date as they just got engaged on July 4th. The invite is five months in advance. Yeah, that's weird. Then there is no location or time. So what time are we supposed to show up? What if the location is too far for us to drive on Friday Also? So who puts their registry website on a wedding invite additionally, there is no RSVP card to return so many questions. This is a bad invitation. So many questions about this invite. I'm super confused and have my husband called Ted as they are the ones who are old high school friends. He confirmed that these are the wedding invitations and that we need to scoot over to the Facebook group and stay updated as soon as they get a location in time. They will update the group lovely. Maybe don't do that five months in advance before booking any Thing so basically right now it's a we're getting married on the state now. Send us gifts. Yeah, no kidding. Right Jesus I go and scope out the Facebook Wedding Group page. It's so bad. Listen. What I am not telling you is that we are all 49 years and above. So a more formal wedding invitation even on computer printed paper would have been fine and I wouldn't be here a fucking Evite and Evite anything correctly, but the whole wedding is becoming a Ation rather than a celebration and I think that is where my real feelings are coming from about this invite. The group page has all the things you would expect at this point such as their dates. There are 11 registry links pictures and each one is just a photo of the piece of paper and something you can fix with just one using Zola but now almost daily are quote demands for items that include links to a specific. Item with LOLs from the groom such as quote. I really hope you guys get us these set of dishes or I won't have a thing to eat off of loll or Mary needs a vacuum real bad. I'm a big slob in our current one broke because of my lazy ass, LOL. Oh so really bad humor awesome and using LOL not correctly annoyingly. I should say not not incorrectly. Now maybe at this point you are saying to yourself gee you are being really hard on this guy maybe He doesn't know any better. Maybe Mary doesn't know any better in you were being complete douche to this. Couple Welcome to our fucking world. Thank you very much. Every word dish to everybody. We're everybody thinks everybody who doesn't get this podcast. Thanks for a complete douche bags to everybody. So that's fine. This is fitting it's working. Yeah, maybe he doesn't know any better. Maybe Mary doesn't know any better and you were being complete douche does couple. My response is this this is his third wedding her first they both know better at this. That we are not filling up a young newlywed couple but a bunch of old farts who just want new stuff, but I was a little wrong. I was a little wrong in my assumption and you would be right sort of I ended up checking out each of the Registries. Wow, every registry has the same items but different brands each has two models of vacuum cleaners two models of dishes two models of pots and pans blenders towels. The comforters Etc. I am in disbelief about it all it's so excessive. What are they going to sell it on the black market out of the back of it. I figured it out what they want to earn it for money. No, they're two friends. That lives separately. Oh and decided to have a pretend wedding. Uh-huh. I do registry and they each get one thing. That's smart. That's smart. Yep. Okay, you clever girl or kalev? Of course, the mo the more obvious thing is that they're going to take the other one back. Yeah / money will do in the meantime a whole bunch of Facebook drama is happening. The quote best man is doing a bunch of check-ins with photos with the groom. Are dominating the page and some scene seemed inappropriate along with the comments. How are they inappropriate? You ask? Well, the quote best man is really the quote best woman Jill who has been Ted's best friend since high school too and knows my husband very well a ton of people are responding to the photos that it doesn't seem right that Jill is taking away the attention from the bride two of the photos gilis sitting on Ted's lab and another she's pretending to do him from behind while standing in tuxedos. That's classy. There is a few there are a few others, but they are along the same line of poor taste and inappropriateness the board blows up with Jill screaming and having heated arguments with people on their comments among Jill's outbursts. One of the things we find out is that Jill made the invites and registered with only the groom to all the places marry only registered at one place with Ted Jill went around doing all of the Registries with him what lots of people are dropping. Out of attending this wedding because of Jill and mind you. It's Mary who's the bride a nutshell at this point? I told my husband that he had my permission to go, but I was not interested in the drama. I sincerely do not know Jill nor have I had any interactions with her, but I was just not interested in the drama Jill seems psycho. I first encountered Jill's Insanity about two years ago. Ted's mother passed and my husband and I were preparing to attend the services. My husband had not spoken to Jill for almost 30 years and completely forgot that Jill and Ted were friends when out of the blue. My husband gets a DM from jail that says Hi, I found out from Ted that you and your wife will be attending the funeral services. You were more than welcome to come, but your wife is not well. Whoa. She's friends with Debbie. Someone who wronged me pretty hard, and I have no intention spot of upsetting Ted by having your wife's presence remind me of her. Thanks, and I look forward to seeing you. Of course. I called Debbie and asked her. Happened. Basically Jill doesn't like to be caught in her lies. And Debbie was able to provide proof that Jill was lying and lying for years Jesus this deep. No wonder you're like let's put the rest in peace your because we figured out that Jill assumed that Debbie must have told me this, but she didn't until now to sum it up Jill brought attention to some drama before. I knew it existed and Banned Me from the funeral. My husband responded to Ted directly and said that if I wasn't invited that he wasn't Going he was too old to play Jill's games and I was family and much more important so we didn't go wow. This is long. Uh-huh. Okay, I'll keep going. I'm used to read it rips litter sure. I was like, all right. It's like we're at the end just like no no got to rehydrate got a little in gotta settle in. I just got to get comfortable, you know at this point with my history of the funeral and all the weird Facebook. What wedding group posts were Jill is being argumentative with everyone. I said to my husband that I'm convinced that Jill and her having an affair, which I think was the natural assumption. And right guys, yeah. Mmm Jill has been married for about 18 years with three children. Oh, what do you think? Yeah, when Ted first came back after the divorce. She was all over him. Her Facebook page is littered with pictures of them together and always doing stuff her relation or sorry her husband is not even listed in her relationship status, but that's weird. They just celebrated his 50th birthday. And there's only one picture of him that is a side angle. The rest is of her and Ted doing stupid stuff at the party also, she He doesn't have any posted pictures of the children either. It's weird. She's weird. I tell my husband that I am convinced that Jill and her having an affair because no one can control a man this much if they are not sleeping together. He agreed. I love your logic. He agreed and declines the invitation via Facebook. So where is Mary the bride in all of this? We don't know either. She doesn't post anything on the Facebook page. I ghost her page to see not many posts and then about the wedding. Who knows what she's very quiet for someone getting married soon. Huh? Weird. Does she even exists? That's when I'm starting to want. Yeah Facebook explodes daily and we have to take ourselves off the notifications as they are out of control and interfering with our lives. Can you imagine the notifications now that she's posted? Yeah, no kidding. Probably the wrong move. If you don't want the notification we decide to send a gift instead and just move on without attending I One of the dish sets that the groom linked on the Facebook page as it went on sale Labor Day weekend. The dish set goes directly to the groom's house. So I thought it turns out that it went to Jill's house because when I saw the signed receipt that someone accepted the package it was her name unless she was at his house. Mmm. I was confused. I sent Ted a quick note on Facebook asking if he received something from us and just today about 10 days later. He finally replied with got the dishes. Thanks. Cool. So with after all that pleading on the invites and on the Facebook Wedding Group posts all I get is that as a thank-you really dude. Not sure why he just doesn't come out with this wedding is fake and wants to be with psycho. Gel. Boom. Wow. Yeah. I'm like fucking tired. Yeah, that was epic. I threw you in there. So there's there's more to this. Yeah. They're it's like seven Parts. Oh my Yeah, holy hell like I don't know if we're going to do them all but yeah, anyway, you're good at picking out the most logical stuff to you. Yeah to continue with so I like to think so you are you're great at that. So yeah, so we'll see. We'll see where we land with all that. We'll see. Thank you for listening guys. Yeah. I'm tired. Now. I got to go take a nap. Yeah, except for we have to record the Patriot. We're gonna record the Pentagon. Yeah. So again, if you want to hear more of that story go to patreon.com slash Secret. If of weddings and sign up, there's also two episodes in the beginning two or three that are completely free. So if you've been judged everything and you have nothing else to listen to go check it out. We have early releases on Mondays for the 8 dollar level as well, but 3.3 dollars and you get an additional half-hour episodes. There's like 30 or 40 now like it's getting crazy. So yeah, thank you for listening to episode 79 of the secret life of weddings podcast and Rebecca anything can happen at weddings, and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast. If you need more drama in your life go over to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. So go check it out patreon.com slash secret life of weddings, and we will see you here next week.

SKIPPERS - jump to 9:15 to begin the stories! A story about a couple who fell in love and wedded in front of the same lobster tank. A listener’s tale about a mean father who crapped all over his daughter’s wedding out of jealousy of her step-dad. A half-assed destination wedding, a groomsman so drunk he passed out and got trapped inside a revolving door & a crazy rude high maintenance aunt who accuses her niece of stealing her veil during the ceremony! We finish with a romantically hilarious story about a beautiful proposal via video game … until it crashed! Lisa tells one of her own stories about parents late to the ceremony and the mother of the bride’s unorthodox solution to the problem & the absolute worst invitation of all time! This episode is brought to you by Zola, the world's most kick ass, free wedding registry & planning website! To start your free wedding website and also get $50 off your registry on Zola, go to http://zola.com/secretlife  Want more Secret Life of Weddings?

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We're going to talk about I don't know what the fuck were going to talk about. Actually Denise we are talking about. All right. That was my of course ties relative for everybody goddamn. It's my ASMR MSI a PR It was very unexpected. I don't think we knew what to expect. We just started hearing it. I was like, okay, we're gonna go over like this. But when you what I was gonna say was that you needed the little tapping thing. Now if you really want to do some ASMR exactly special edition, so let's news. All right, but let's go hearing twins weren't fucking doing amsa speed em our way back. Absolutely. Right. It's a good song. Absolutely. You know, right. Hey Denise what's going on? Alright guys, so I'm gonna go ahead and start off the news but it's not really easy to talk about this one, you know, so we're just going to go ahead and just jump right into it. So on Thursday Harley Race passed away at the age of 76 years old. He was battling lung cancer and essentially last month. He was hospitalized while traveling to Knoxville fanboys. Spell and we found out the news on Thursday and one of the I mean, I don't know exactly not one of the cool things but one of the things that did happen, was that WWE did pay for the medical flight transfer for for him from Atlanta to St. Louis for him to be closer to his family because that's where his family wanted him. So essentially it bought him some extra time to sort of have that closure with his family. Hey so far as that goes down. I'm almost 99.99999% I ain't sure that wasn't WWE that did that was Vince McMahon personally. It's just it's not really, you know, as a company like it was a corporate company it so yeah that almost guarantee you that came out of his own pocket and I wouldn't even had you mentioned that on the show today except for you know people, you know, we're always right. Criticize Vince McMahon and plenty of shit to do that over I go over the years but I mean for a lot of us, but especially loved you then anyways Vince does all kinds of shit like that. I mean I have experienced in my life where he stepped up for me and none of it is for a pat on the back. It's never anything. thing that I mean, you've never heard him say Well, I did this for this guy and it's just it's not a style and doing that kind of thing is Yeah, but one of the things I had always known what's obviously that Harley Race is not only very very respected within was very respected within the business would but Vince always respected Harley Race as well. So I think that's you know, that's one of the things that I thought about when I heard this story about them paying for his medical transfer and and in the so there was really get into it because you know, like and I say this whenever somebody passes, you know, if you Really here, I could break down in their career and like all of that like no one really does a better job than Dave Meltzer on that shit. So they did do a he did to a wrestling observer radio show on this and this when the I'm assuming obviously when the Observer comes out this week that he'll have a more biography biography. I can't even a graphical graphical. Yeah. There you go more better explanation of his career that stuff but I was actually listening to that earlier today. So when when I was growing up Ric Flair was my world champion, but Harley became the champion again and then dropped it back to Rick at starrcade in 1983 and in that so a lot of I got to see Harley Race one time defend the world title against Dusty at the Bayfront Center in st. Pete Florida when I was a kid and And you just when you heard Gordon solie talk about Harley Race and wow, you know, he was just folk hero, even though he was like a villain, you know, he was like this wasn't really like ever a straight-up villain. This is just my memory, you know, and it was just this. This respect for Harley Race for the named Harley. Well, it's like one of the coolest names every by the way, like he was his mom, you know, he was given that name like he didn't have to come up with it. Right Dusty Rhodes is a really cool name too. But Dusty can't you know, right Mama didn't give him that so yeah. I know you just saw Dusty and you hear everyone talked about him and at home in such high regard and just like I guess Saying the Wade Gordon solie would talk about him and seven times world champion and in the way, he talked and the sound of his voice and the Cadence of the way he talked and you know how much he loved being the world champion, you know. Rick Rude nature will tell you that he was the greatest world champion ever and he was the last I you know, that's nice of Nate but honestly, like Nature's right up there with them in that require like Nate's did all the traveling and had to go make all these people look good that really weren't very good. Right, you know, and that was Harley's that was Harley's deal to and I heard Jim cornette actually say Something is anyone's when I own the news came. I just started going down ago Harley Race Rabbit Hole, you know looking at some things. I hadn't seen in years or never seen or like footage of stuff that I was there when I was a kid, but you know anyways, but cornea a girl who's interesting how I put it because it's true when you know, a lot of the fans back at the time they short Eames darlie because He made the guy he was wrestling look like the greatest wrestler in the world. You know, he was there is but he made the other guy. So it was always like how come he couldn't be. You know, you always wondered sometimes how come you know God, you know, yeah. Yeah, that was a thing what Jimmy said? and All the stories I heard you know, because okay, so I'm friends with worker had again in Kurt's Kurt's dad Larry the axe' Hennig and Harley were partners. And and so and I also came up around Eddie Sharkey and Eddie and Harley they knew each other really well and yeah everyone just they all say the same thing about him just tough as nails and you knows The grip strength, you know, like I mean, I his story one time of him bending somebody's ring. He like shook somebody's hand and bent their ring around their finger. I know I wasn't around Harley. I was around him a couple of times here and there he was so cool. It was just really cool to be in you know his presence and Also, like one of my last memories of Harley is think we were in New Orleans. It was WrestleMania and who are its time it was there Scott and I saw Harley and you know Harley took a picture with us and you know, he was in a wheelchair and so we you know, we got down to take a picture with his eye off. Fuck that you guys no way. You know, you got he made he got up out of the chair, right? Yeah. He's like, huh? you know, yeah, I just the more more people like Harley and different guys are we're losing them and You know, I'm getting old too, you know pretty soon. I'm going to be there. That's just the way it is, you know, and and you know, I think about well because I remember 20 30 years ago wondering what it was going to be like to be here. Now. What was this going to be like so It's fucking goes quick you guys, you know, I'll be there pretty soon. I can sway sooner than I want. So and we all alone and oh, I hope when it's all done. Like I can say I lived as fucking cool life as Harley Race did right, you know, he loved to smoke cigarettes. He loved to drink beer and he loved to drive fast and he liked to do them all at the same fucking time. Yeah, my friend the way that you talk about it from the way that everyone talks about him. It definitely seems like there's this weight and there's this gravitas there. Yeah. It's like you said he was Focus yes, and he and he did things in the rate like his work was so it was different. He was a lefty. He was a left-handed guys at Southpaw. So he threw these left and it's a it's really odd looking to see because most guys are obviously right handed right? So you always see and right-handed punches. That's really odd. When you see a left-handed guy threw a punch and just also sometimes he would hit the ropes kind of weird and it was so cool, though. And and Harley, he was a big dude man, and he would he would manage the thoroughly frog in there any chance he got I mean I was putting a put a tweet out like Harley did a Great Leap Frog and he fucking did and like it's never talked about and it's not one of those things anybody would talk about right but it's one of the things I noticed and he dropped a fucking amazing knee and it was a left. He dropped the left knee on the guy's head, you know, and you never seen that was all. Somebody dropping the right knee in amazing matches. Okay, so he went and he had a great match with Bob Backlund title versus title and Madison Square Garden. They were like 30 40 minutes. I mean they started off at hell of a pace. and and Bob is crazy was like he could be challenging for certain people. Like if you couldn't wrestle like you in trouble in there having a match with Bob like those you got kind of wrestle like actually have to wrestle when you work with Bob. But yeah matches. Okay. You got a match in Japan with tons of great magic in Japan, but one I'm thinking of is versus former AWA Champion jumbo to Rue Des. I just snuck great stuff with I see them have great matchup with all of our are like Kevin Von Erich David Von Erich and Kerry Von Erich. I mean, there's there were more Von Erichs. Of course, you know, I'm they were the hot ones at done Barry Windham just you know, God he loves knowing talk about maybe how one of the things that I think was really cool and I was looking back at his career was the fact that when he was Champion. I don't know his hat. The peak here at the during 1977 and 1981. He was a top professional wrestler traveling traveling world champion going everywhere else the NWA tour took territories. He was in North America, Japan Australia New Zealand Mexico, but this was during a time where if a promotion had you as a champion, you had to be a legitimate tough guy, you know, and some take the belt off you they've doubled crush it kind of like that that you know, they were Montreal thing except for I mean that was you know, if a guy gets you in a submission hold Like, you know, like sometimes being a tough guy isn't even enough because somebody just grabbed a hold on you in a rough go I gave up bring the fucking Bell, right? You know, so yeah, I never heard anyone. I never heard any what I heard a story that flare told about him slapping jumbo to Route our something in the locker room. But like I never I never heard of iCarly like I never heard anyone challenging him in the ring or anything. Along those lines. It just wasn't done right racism. And one of the things one of the interesting stories that I did also read was the pack the part where he was kept away from Hulk Hogan until Vince can actually trust him not to you know, go in there and beat him up or something like that, you know, and I thought that was really interesting because you know at that point obviously you wanted to you know have Hogan as a drawing command to draw but I just thought like how much dark magic that you know, I just watch that match last night and Yeah, so that would have been the concern and especially from hulkster. Right and then so in classic. Harley Race fashion like, you know, he could go out there and just eat his lunch if you wanted to if you go back and watch the king Harley Race versus Hulk. I think it was from Saturday night's Main Event Harley is all over that fucking ring bouncing around for the Hulk and and great. And I mean he even like lace down and has Hulk stand over him and rip the shirt. I can just basically, you know every like Pick the kind of things you would think of that wouldn't happen in a match with Hulk and Harley and Harley was well as professional as you could be out there. That was the guy that was making the money and we're going to make him look grave fucking Harley made him look like a billion dollars. Absolutely. Yeah. It's I feel like hardly gets talked about so much for being, you know, one of those old-school guys, but I feel like having invented something like the diving headbutt, you know, something like that was also probably a little bit ahead of its time. As well. Yeah, he was got he was a guy that other people criticized like the I just read something and I remember back when God said it God's was criticizing him and got Karl gotch criticizing him in you know interview. He didn't like 1990, right, you know like that. You know that these guys nowadays killing the business shit. Right? Right. Imagine. Somebody is saying that about Harley right? Exactly. No, okay. Yeah, yes Harley wasn't a classic wrestler. It wasn't it wasn't my clout. You know, you didn't rest on College High School not like that. He was fighting people. Yeah, when other people other kids were in high school and college he was like fighting people for Ronnie and so Yeah, I was I had a thought and I lost it but well another fun fact while when you have so much on that. I was just like amazed about you know, going back and reading about his career. So in st. Louis when st. Louis was essentially the Cadillac of wrestling, you know, the it town for NWA territories. He was Sam muchnick's biggest star. Yeah, and it's just like imagine being the biggest are also you know with samish Nick is like a really big deal at this point in time. So it's just like very interesting to me that that this was part of you know, his career. Yeah, and then another fun fact here really quickly. Actually, it's he is actually a part of the he was a part of the NOAA board of directors Misawa respected him so much that he put him on the board of directors. Oh, wow. Okay, so I got that I was like, wow, that's really interesting and then also is going back and I was watching the promo the one with Ric Flair about the $25,000. Yes Bounty and Again, it goes back to the fact that people were watching this and thinking. Oh man, like the heels are really going to go after get Ric Flair and you know that sort of thing. So that was great that was in Mid Atlantic and it was yet leading up to flare flare of his Harley flip the gold. I think they called it and shit. Yeah. No, they so they put a bounty out and and so here comes dick Slater and Bob Orton jr. Did try to collect pile just double pile driver. It was all just great because I remember it so like going back and watching that the other night is something I remember when it aired like on TV and Saturday morning, and I'm actually watching that right. So it's really cool to go back and watch. Some things that you like vividly remember sure. Yeah. I like this is a lot of memories that you know are stored in our brains as a child that are just like so like just so many right and sake unless you have a specific point like that you can dial in on it's like there's no way you can remember all that shit then something just brings me like back to you know that and it was Just like I remembered all of it. Yeah, definitely is very well that girl to like, you know with the way he delivers. Yes that yes, he talked like that and he worked like that you would never see Harley rushing anything. It was all easily digestible wrestling content when Harley Race was in the ring, so Yeah. All right. Love you Harley. I just I'm not even trying to do this as a Harley Race tribute show because can't do it justice. I'm on it. I want to sincere condolences to joannec. Joe was really close with our Lee. He looked up to Harley as like a father figure because of the obvious relationship, you know that Harley and And his grandfather had and and I know he's taking this hard and Joe's a great guy and his public memorial service is being held Sunday. Okay. All right. I think that's about it. I but I just want to encourage everybody to go look up some Harley Race and and spend a spend a little a little time, you know going down a Harley Race Rabbit Hole. Yeah. Absolutely if you've if you've never been down if you've never if you're not familiar, Familiar with him, you know just I just there's just no way that could ever be another one like right Harley like yeah, no. All right, that's enough of that one. Alright, so let's go ahead and talk about some aw. No snooze. There's actually a lot to talk about first of all congratulations to them. They sold out their TV debut on October 2nd their October 2nd event in Washington DC the last I heard they sold over nine thousand tickets in two hours. I know that the arena seats 20,000 for basketball and about 18,000 for hockey. So I'm not entirely too sure how much it holds for wrestling but those are some of the ranges of numbers that you can see there. Some other books some other things to know is that they are also crowning their first women's champion on their TNT Premiere. So that should be fun. The belt is to be in veiled on August 31st on They're All Out Show and then last week we did have we had the chisora sand jungle boy here and they did talk about Marcos stunts. And so Marcos done is officially signed with aw before I couldn't dive into some other stuff that happened with Marco's that just really quick episode 2 is but has been announced its going to be in Boston episode 3 will be in Philadelphia. Sophia Pennsylvania, then really quick. Let's talk about so they're going to do a different venue every week and every week is going to be live. So it's not like one one live showing one tape show nothing like that. That's expensive as fuck before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge Log of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV, but I know they've talked about how so at least the the hope is that it'll be easier on the guys since they're only they're basically doing one show week, you know only traveling to one town but one of the things is that you know, obviously I feel like this debut show definitely had to be sold out. Like I had no doubts that this one the first one would be sold out. So I don't know any surprises or did you guys also expect that to happen? Considering? Oh I did I did and and and eventually the nurse a the Because like the buzz going to be there, but just okay the buzz to where we got like it's not going to snuggle every show is not going to sell out and you know first day, I mean, it's eventually it's gonna write, you know level off a little bit. But now Ike Ike I think it would be another situation like this. Sure. Yeah. I think I don't think it's even close to I mean they even had their first show yet, you know so level. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see once once it does kind of taper off like that where the sort of consistent point lies, you know, if it's on the higher end of things so that'll be interesting to see so there was talk about how they would maybe do the shows from medium-sized venues. And then I read something that contradicted that that maybe they're going to try to keep what do you think? Right called mixture. It depends I'd like to look at the big Arenas if they if they're mean even if they're not completely sold, you know, WWE makes it look just fine and then hurry and major arena with eight ten thousand people in it. Sure because even if it's not a major renounce a it's a smaller City smaller town excetera because these people maybe not always get the big promotions having them come down here could be like a very easy like ticket sale. Like I'm sure there's nothing going on in this Let's go ahead and give wrestling some try especially for some maybe some of the Casual fans say if so, they're smaller Arenas that still look like big Arena's on TV, like the one I for instance the one I talked about that, you know, I grew up going to and first match. I've so I'm debate front center arena. It was so like 77 between seven and eight thousand people capacity, which is not a bigger Arena, right but back at the time it seemed like it and look like it on TV like this. It just looked like if it was packed you couldn't really tell you know, it still looked like a major. You know Major League event, of course. Yeah, and then there are some that could have the same capacity. That's just the way they're set up and the way the building's the venue's laid out. Like it looks like shit on TV, you know just depends. All right, and I think they should be really mindful of how a venue looks on TV. I don't think people put enough stock into that because and I know sometimes I you know, Enjoy watching mlw Stevie, but when they do it from Melrose Ballroom in New York, I think it looks like shit right just being honest with you. Yeah, when they do it from Chicago looks great. Some of the venue's look great but like that Melrose Ballroom that looks terrible on TV. Well for aw was the fighter Fest right where they did kind of like that looks so good and part of it was how they shot it to like the where they had the cameras. And yeah, so yeah. All right, but okay so earlier I mentioned, you know Marcus dancing with a w super awesome. Obviously a lot of people very excited for him. So we did have somebody on social media kind of go on a rant about this. His name is Gunnar Miller. Yeah. So appearances art. He called out a W-4 signing Marco stunt and actually said it was a slap in the face. He said that when he was a kid that he grew up idolizing people like the rock Hulk Hogan Ultimate Warrior Goldberg and then he basically said that the major promotions go out and signed this by foot. You 115 pound guy and said that six year old and I quote a guy is that six-year-old me laughs at he literally said that about marker because of his size and his weight and Nick Jackson did respond to this. He basically said congrats Marco stud and you're way better than that. Gunnard. I got our guy. Hey look, I can I can understand when you've put a ton of work into something. Like he says he did and I don't I don't doubt that he did. and has and that's great. And when I read about this, I was like like and we're familiar with the name. But and so I kind of looked it up and then I looked up, you know a couple videos who I wanted to see like okay in the skies. You know if he's going to be asking shade like this, you know and look the variety is the spice of light like there's different spot. Like do you really want the Marco's not spot like because right I don't think that spot is going to be in the world title match. Yeah, just being honest with you, but it's good to have you know, all different varieties and flavors on your show the problem. Look the guy what's his name? Again? Gunner Mel. Yeah, so he's not bad at all. He's just fine, you know and he's got to look that is just fine. It's just that it's about a million other people in the industry have that same look. Okay, and I heard the promos and there's nothing that's their good promos good promos. Just nothing that stands out as special. Yeah, it's just it's just they're fine. Right? Okay. It's like the guy you know, what be just fine holding the championship of an independent promotion. Does that make sense to you? Sure. But it's like man Gunnar. Hey, look I get it. I get the frustration but man will look for all this just that's a really bad. Look for one thing. That's just like it's just like, you know, you're not I guarantee you're not the only one that saw that and felt that way but just not everyone cried about it in public, you know, and sometimes we got to take a look at in the mirror and go what can I do to make myself stand? Myself stand out more and and you know, what? Can I do to up my game in the ring and promos or you know, maybe change my look up because I look like about a million other people in the industry. Right? Like that's the issue for me, you know, and that's why aren't they like some honesty oneself goes a long way when it comes to something like that. So but it's just interesting to me is that you know, obviously we've seen certain wrestlers that have gotten signed throughout the years different promotions that I think a man like I gots I know I thought that guy was actually better, right? Okay, but here's the thing though is that he could be mad about any of those guys though. He could be mad at whoever is on that roster because maybe he thinks he deserves that spot more than that guy. But why specifically picked on Marcos stat because of his size that to me just shows that he doesn't have confidence within himself because Marcus stunt has everything going up against him. He know he's a smaller guy, etc, etc. You would think like maybe obviously Marcus done probably saw these same. Guys that he saw and thought man. I might not have a shot ever and look at him where he got and now this guy is just essentially buried him because of his size like that to me is kind of like, all right, dude. Now you're just using this as an excuse for why you're not in a position like Marco stunt. I mean people have been using that argument for years, you know, like, oh, he's not a believable wrestler because he's not big enough, you know. Oh, I wouldn't buy him kicking anyone's ass people using that argument against small guys for years and years and years and wrestling has never held any way. Wait and hell's it holds way to put guys. It depends. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't some small guys shouldn't be in there because they don't have anything. They don't have any offense that is believable that can get a guy in trouble. So unless they're working with another guy there sighs, you know, like so I get it but and and like like it was saying earlier it's not It's it's a different. It's not the spot that. Like I said, it's not like Marcos not going to be the VW Champion ever. It's and I'm not I don't mean anything by that, you know like that. It's that it's that three-ring circus analogy wrestling's a three-ring circus. There's the acrobats and there's the, you know, lion tamer all that O'Connor like make go back and you know get a game plan figure out what you got to do to, you know, get people's attention besides winding, you know, I'm sure you're not going to when you hear this if you do, I don't know man, but man like yeah, either fix a problem our go find something else to do. Honestly, yeah, but does this now leave a sour note to promoters, you know, obviously absolutely it does. Oh, yeah, this is going to be the first thing that comes out only because if there's been conversation that I had with certain people You know that we talked about it like it was a topic of conversation people rolling their eyes at that and you know, some people even have any way whatever just don't know the guy. I just I might have met but that's his it. I might have met him maybe Yeah. No, he's just whining in public. He's just venting and I get it. I get it. I get it. It's just like yeah and and he was peeing a lot of percent honest and that's you know, But sometimes there's no room for that kind of honesty others. Not at times that work sounds or there is what then you just got to you know, pay the consequences. It's like an idiot like free speech or whatever but there are consequences like depending on what you say, you know, social consequences. Sure. Okay. Well moving on totally opposite story. I spent way too much time talking about that. No, but now we have a good story. So well not a good story, but I guess you can kind of see a good story. Okay, so as we You know in this past weekend, there was two major mass shootings both in Dayton, Ohio and of El Paso, Texas. So very, you know, sad hard time right now for everybody. I guess you can say this is somewhat of a hero, you know, obviously a heroic story definitely. So Jeremy ganger who is an independent wrestler in the Ohio area. He actually worked at the Ned Peppers bar and Dayton, Ohio where the shooting occurred one of the shootings occurred and it was noted that he actually stopped the shooter at the door before he could get Get inside. So who knows how many lives that guy saved? Exactly? Well total opposite story from the last time we just talk to ya two guys in the Indie scene doing different things. I mean honestly different scenarios, but you got me. Wow, I don't want to go like, I don't know who he is Jeremy Jeremy gang banger Gan. I'm grateful for the guy. I can't you know, I'm not as great ones and people We're in that bar. Hey. Good. Hey, thank you Jeremy. That's it. I don't even know what to say man. You're a hero and you should be honored and so right now I'm honoring you man home and job so I know that according to the bar staff. They did say that he is going to be okay. I think he has a shrapnel related. No related injury. I'm not I'm not sure what that is. It's like like people have pieces pieces of metal and like that come out of a okay. That's not the bullet. Okay. I'm never been hit. Have any shrapnel and me so it's I'm not an expert on right and I did see that on Twitter wrestling travel did post that. They're going to be giving him VIP passes to a star cast and AWS all out. So that's just a small little way to say. Thank you. And I think that's really cool and should be talked about. Okay, let's go ahead and move on then do I jump into r or do you want to jump into the NXT takeover preview? Don't even gone wrong. I want to mention is the Goldberg don't thing. Hmm. What are your thoughts? Go pick a good reaction coming out, right? Yeah. Yeah, so so that's a good sign for me. That means like this thing very well may work sure as as planned as designed. Yeah, and there was a concern I had with people kind of maybe seeing do this a little bit icy and going on there just kind of have like, you know, I'm just run through Dolphins so, you know can ride off into the sunset and Have to hang his hat on that fucking Saudis. Hang, right? Right, and and that's what this is. But sure it's but those people dig it exactly really good. As long as people dig. It seems like yeah, it seems like even if you do know that it's not making it any less effective and I mean dolls gonna bump his ass off for a little break in there. So good pick for an opponent in terms of Dolf sure because I mean he'll when it was Goldberg and and Kevin Owens that many I mean that was a hell of a match. I would like to see Dolph win this I think that would be a good gesture. It would definitely be unexpected. I was thinking about this for sure. Yeah, since this is a work and everything and you know, and you know one shouldn't have too big of an ego shirt. Maybe it would be good to give back to the business and you know leave Dolph better off than you know, when he when he started that yeah because I think that character could get a lot of mileage out of Yeah. All right, I guess nobody else wants to chime in on that one maybe because like the chances of that happening are slim and the fans know Goldberg and do you go in have this quick match, you know do what he does best. And so I think that's kind of like what maybe the majority of the fans are expecting and maybe want I don't know if maybe a lot of people eyesight haven't heard or I don't know if people want to see Dolph Ziggler went so that's why it was like a very like interesting cake for me cuz I didn't expect it expect you to say that I think I think that's what would get. The most heat I think it if Goldberg beats the hell out of them goes in for a spear and then Dolph just turns it into a small package at the last second something like that that character would never you would never ever hear the end of it. I think I think that could that could go a long way. I don't think that's that's what'll happen. But I think that would be cool. Right like in terms of moving the story forward and moving, you know, because dogs the one that's gonna be sticking around. Yeah. All right. Well, then let's go ahead and talk over a talk about NXT Takeover in so let's go over some of the matches maybe some of the ones that you're looking forward to a let's kick it off with Adam Cole vs. Johnny Gargano two out of three falls for the NXT Championship. Yeah, and not only that but each each fall is going to be a different type of matches. Well, first of all just straight up second fall street fight if it goes to the third Regals choice, I think yeah, it's the main event of take over consistently steals really the whole weekend. So I don't think this will be any different old gargoyle. I know Mmm Yeah. Proven themselves in the past. Yeah, I don't know what to say. I can't add anything to I mean Plus, you know, I was there for the TV's leading all up into this. So This actually the more I'm thinking of all this it's like kind of seems like old to me. All right, and you know, that was a fucking month ago safe. Yeah, so long ago interesting that you maybe noticed while you were down at I know some things I'm not saying well then moving on then we also have the street profits ever since Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby fish of the Undisputed era for the NXT Tag titles any thoughts on that. It'll be fun. I think they've had some chances on Live Events to kind of work with each other and you know how some matches out there try some different things out. What works what doesn't right. I think you know specifically I'd love to see Kyle O'Reilly and Montez Ford how they kind of bounce off of each other and their no be fun. All right, and then we also had Velveteen dream versus Pete done versus Roderick strong for the NXT North American child. Yeah, that's No, I mean just wow, I don't know how this I don't know how this. What are we calling this right now preview? Yeah, I'm not the greatest. Right what? Hey everybody. Sometimes it's really hard to make this sound like, you know, sure what am I are you rooting for any of these guys? In particular somebody you'd like to see, you know, get over because you know, you're a fan of theirs or excetera. No, let's give what's Pete Dunn hmm. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah, he had some on see Pete done when that yeah. I don't know why I just teach great. Absolutely. Great peanut such a good long run with the UK title that they yeah, I'd love to see him with the North American built for sure. Okay. She never says Mia for the women's title. Oh, yeah. Hmm. I'm wondering if this is when they're finally gonna gonna take the take the title off of Shana. You think it's time. Because it's just it's been it's been it's been a really really good rain. But each time you wonder I don't I don't know if me is going to be the person though. It might be time. I'm just not sure if it's time for Mia. Right? Right, right. Exactly. Not that it won't be but I'm not sure if now is the time right? Just maybe not. Yeah. Yeah Shana held about now now do we have an estimate of time? I was it's closed now might be close to a year, but I cannot opt for a minute to carry sane and then got back rights, right? Yeah, very briefly. Yeah, because I'm just like a fan of the long Reign. So for me like like even though like my think like, oh it's time. I'm like nah, keep it longer. But you think that's I think it's time that Women's Championship and then XT is that means something right? There are some there's some value to that Championship right not. You know a prop to carry the ring with you like the championship means something. Yeah, they're still Prestige. They're doing for the most part I call the NXT titles do they've done a great job of making that the championship means something. Yeah, they're not really the ones to use that kind of that Hotshot sort of title ring. All right, and lastly concat is Lorraine EOS. Awry in a singles match. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they was the build like they built that out from their cage match. Right right or your turn. And on yes afterwards. Yeah, I'm not like I like he owes character work as a heel. Yeah. Yeah, it was funny watching her at the you know at the NXT tapings and like even at the performance center working on different things and trying to trying to figure out what you know, what a heel he oh, he would be sure thinks. I mean, it's She was even that came out with different get like she was wearing not gone black and everything completely differently. I mean music, I think she just did that on her own. I don't think anyone told her to either interesting. I should I know she did right I know for a fact you did. What would be really good too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This whole card is is looking it's nice to see and they gotta pick up. They have a decent amount of ladies down there and NXT, right? So it's nice to see that you don't just have Like one spot for the ladies. It's like it could and then having everybody, you know, three ladies matches and two men right like there's no set like oh, this is the spot for the ladies. Right? Right. Exactly. The fact that I love that there's a there's a women's match. That isn't for the title. That isn't about. Oh just one person's jealous than the other like it's illegitimate grudge match between girls that can beat the hell out of each other right so there I think they've done so the reason why it's kind of get weird to me like talking about this is like I said all this stuff like I was there for all the tapings, but it was so long ago in my head right these days like, you know, if like something was last week, it's like, oh my God, I was ages ago. Hmm. So you like so much has happened since a lot just move so fast. Yeah. So what else anything else on there? That's it. We covered all of that right? It's pretty much all I've got is that everything? What time is it? What time is it around here man? I think we're good. 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I'm Alec lace. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to episode 289 of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by if this is your first time listening to the podcast. Please get over there and bang that subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action that is coming your way right here on First Class fatherhood. All right dad's it is time for another frog man Friday edition of first-class fatherhood and I have got a tremendous guest for you guys today. He is an American hero who served at the tip of the spear with both the Army and the Navy Michael Rutledge joins me. A and Mike recently finished up a 30-year military career which included serving with the elite United States Navy SEAL Teams. And then after years of serving as a seal, he transferred to the Army and became a chief warrant officer with the 160th soar. So he went from Frogman to nightstalker Pilot. I don't know how many people have ever done that before talk about an All-American. What an absolute honour. This is for me. Mike Rutledge will be here in just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview and Mike is the second Night Stalker pilot that I've had the honor of speaking. I'm with on the podcast. The other of course is legendary Black Hawk Down pilot Mike Durant who was here back on episode 2 43 if you missed out on that, I highly recommend you flip it back and take a listen and today will be the last episode for a little while here is I shut it down for Thanksgiving. I have been pumping out five episodes a week since I returned from summer break. This is the 58th episode since Labor Day and I have been working extremely hard to bring you guys the best possible content with the most incredible dad's that I can and in those 58 episodes. There have been five NFL Hall of Fame. Including Darrell Davis Ronnie Lott Tim Brown Warren, Moon and Michael Haynes to Medal of Honor recipients and buyers and Michael Thornton The Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort UFC president Dana White and so many more. So as I take a little break here from producing I pray that you will continue listening. I cannot say thank you enough for all of your support out there. You guys are the reason why I continue to keep going here. So let's go dad's. Please keep spreading the word about this podcast to every father that's in your neighborhood or in your contact list. Let them know about the show that's here celebrating. Eating fatherhood and family life fatherhood rocks Family Values Rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me and I will be right back with Frogman Night Stalker pilot All-American hero Michael Rutledge. I'm Alec lace and you listening to First Class fatherhood. Dads, are you tired of taking supplements that never deliver? 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And how old are they? I have three kids. I've got 19 year old son and 18 year old son and a 15 year old son. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I'm headed in that direction are my three boys are 13 12 and 8 and I have a daughter that's five. So I'm just about to get to where you are now. So this will be beneficial to me. Yeah, good luck with that. What type of uh sports rack These are they all into so different stages. They have got football crew. The youngest is big into football track and Lacrosse. So it kind of kind of cover the spectrum of the sports and I do you get in there. Have you ever coached them in any other teams or do you kind of like to enjoy that more from the stands know? How do we enough? I mean, I played big time high school and college football and I never really got too much into the coaching or being super involved. My youngest coached his football team for about three seasons before he got the high school really enjoyed it. And then I figured by the time they get to high school. It's it's time for me to let the pros do their thing because you know, the Casual dad coached kind of run its course, but I really enjoy being a spectator and just being supportive. So I don't necessarily have to be in the middle of all that it's they're showing their Spotlight much happier. Just being supportive. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I'm with you there. I mean I enjoyed it when my kids were. Like, you know four or five years old when it was the small not really to Super competitive yet and just learning the game and having fun. So I kind of enjoyed coaching them at that stage. Yeah. Absolutely. Alright Mike. If you could please just take a minute here to hit my listeners a little bit about your background and what you do, so I just retired October 1st from 30 years in the military. I spent a come from a little farm town in Illinois Galesburg, Illinois played one year of division one football was not very It at it and decided that was not going to be my future course. I was definitely going to go to the NFL. So I finished the semester of the community college and enlisted in the Navy as a helicopter rescue swimmer and aircrewman. I did three years as a ch-46 crew chief of rescue swimmer and saw some seals one day to make the story short. So some seals and Naval special Warfare group on and Guam and decided that that was true of my destiny. So I put an application with the buds graduated but the class 197 And 1994 and stated Seal Team won a couple different positions instructor for a couple years. Basically I simply want to 2002 transferred to the Army to the wasser flight program came along us for Aviator and went director of the 160th Special Operations Aviation regiment for there and spent 14 years at the regiment as an mh-47 pilot and instructor pilot and test pilot but the other stuff and what I was looking at websites, you have deployed 16. Herbs and spent my last three years at the US Military Academy at West Point as a commander of the aviation Department in the executive plate adjustment. So that's how I ended up. I left the 160th of 2016 and had the amazing privilege to basically be dad to another 4,000 Cadets at West Point and I'm pretty sure that I got as much out of mentoring them as they did hang around with me. So that was a great and honorable way to end a 30-year career. Yeah, what a career was Mike and thank you so much for your service. And she credible what you've accomplished here in your career. And at what part in this around around how old were you when you first became a dad and had to becoming a father kind of change your perspective on life. So I was completely indifferent to kids and my wife kind of laugh about it that I just did not have a heart for children until she got pregnant and I didn't even actually believe she was pregnant until she showed me on the sonogram. There's actually a little personal. And so you don't realize when you become a dad, you don't realize what you're missing kind of tell some of my friends who don't have kids yet. They're like, I would ever want kids. Yeah, I never did either but you don't you don't realize what you're missing until you become a father, you know, whether it's a boy or girl. It doesn't matter. So that changed my entire world. It changed my goals a changed. We're going to live how I had a perception on, you know, different locations or places a one live before but places we thought we wanted to move to all of a sudden you find out they have bad schools and how we want to live so that other the kind of academic points, but it changes your entire perspective when you realize that you're responsible for another human as humans as the case may be. Yeah him very well said and I mean you got to have the coolest backgrounds of any father your Navy SEAL and then Night Stalker pilot, so that that also is a lot to live up to, you know, especially as a son we all try to, you know, look up to our fathers and try to impress them has Success or your career has that that had any kind of negative impact on your son's as far as them feeling like they need to impress you or have you kind of handle that you know, I tried really hard. I know it's kind of gratuitous, but I tried really really hard to not let it affect them. I have always told them that I don't care what you do. I said, you know what the daily mirror seals and we'll fix it. That's just what I wanted to do. It worked for me. It doesn't you don't feel at all like you have to follow the footsteps I said. And quite frankly, I'd be happy if you made your own footsteps, I would be way proud of you. You know, it's just it's just one bid. It doesn't have to be what you do. So I have never pushed them into anything and I think though they live the lifestyle, you know, basically Special Operations family for as long as I've been alive, you know, so they've taken on some mannerisms because they just can't help it. It's the way they've lived, you know, when you've got when you got a kid that's 10 years old that's on the porch with a bunch of guys from SEAL Team Six drinking beer and you know, They can't help it when I had that impression. That's that's that's their life. So I don't know what they're actually going to do with it. I think they'll all end up in the military in some capacity whether it's a career not doesn't matter but I've never pushed him. I just said I've enjoyed it. This is what I've done take from it what you want, you know, there's good and bad and take your own course. So he personally I don't think it's healthy to push your kids into something you have to do enjoy. You know, I just I wanted to be happy and be professional and do what they want to do the a very cool. Yeah. Well said there Mike And what about as far as discipline goes what? I mean the Navy SEAL and a special operations eyelid. I obviously very disciplined yourself. But what type of disciplinarian have you been as a father? You know, I don't know that I was a strict disciplinarian. They would probably disagree with me. I think my my metric my my wife and I came up with the metric that our discipline the criteria for a discipline is we're going to raise kids that we like being around because if we like being around them, you know chances are everyone else will too. So I know that sounds kind of kind of liberal but that's what we got in like if you if you're being a butt-head and you're being annoying around the house chances are if we take you out in public someone else is going to get annoyed by it. So discipline, I will tell you that you can expect it obviously in our household that any sort of disrespect or taka back or anything like that, you know gets dealt with pretty swiftly. But they also know that it's doled out with a lot of love. So there's never never really, you know, there's no crack of the whip per se it's it's just more hate what you're doing. It's affecting us like this and I don't have to raise my voice because you know exactly what's going to happen. If you keep pushing it so maybe kind of draconian, but when you're living in a blue house with a bunch of wolves, that's kind of how you have to run it. I think yeah and very cool. And what about me you hit some of these Milestones that I'm heading in that direction right now. Like I said, my oldest is only 13 How did you kind of handle when your boys started hitting that dating scene? Did you have any kind of rules or restrictions on them had you going to handle the whole, you know chasing girls dating scene. So we're actually in the midst of that right now footage. So it's inevitable and you know to be quite Frank on the show, which is probably more information people want to know you can't deny. He can't deny the whole sexuality thing. I think the worst thing a parent can do is is lock them down and pretend that it doesn't exist. This because it certainly does so we try to deal with it early on and a very healthy manner even when they were like 10 11 12 when everybody started curious and say hey it's healthy but you know, whatever perspective a particular family follows, whether its doctrinal biblical, you know, whatever, you know, we've tried to explain to him that you know, what you're feeling is healthy. It's normal, you know, you go through the whole sex talk and all that kind of stuff and just try and keep it out of the Shadows. But since I have sons bleed or not, what we ended up telling them that seem to have the biggest impact was as far as the physical aspect, you know dating was that one just understand that when you're dating you're not just dating to have fun in reality. You're looking for the person you're going to marry. So if you don't think you're going to merrier, you know, they'll say it's okay to get to know people and have fun and find out what you like and don't like just remember the whole purpose of dating is Is to find out who you're going to marry, you know in the second point was when you decide what kind of a physical relationship you're going to have with this girl. Just remember that you know when you get ready to murder your wife, how many guys do you want her to have her have her lips on when you met your wife. So we try to put it in their perspective, you know, as far as even taking responsibility as young men final lesson to them was that hey, you know what we understand. Modes of passion and all that kind of stuff because we were 16 17 18, but she may not appreciate it now, but if you say no and you take care of her and on us' and and all those things you want appreciate it 17 or 18, but I guarantee you know what she's 25 26 or whatever and he gets ready to get married. Remember your name, but still remember the one guy that said, hey, let's not you're sweet. You know, let's just let me carry if you and send you on your way. So I know that sounds really outdated and old. Fashion, and of course, we would never know if our sons did or did not adhere to that but that's couple kind of what we try to try to let them know that that was our thought process on the whole dating and relationship thing. Yeah, I mean you paid the perfect picture there of when I would hope to see my children do at some point down the line. It's just one of the things my is just like right now is the technology that seems that they have access to like back in the day man. It's like if one kid had a Playboy magazine in to do like he was the guy like everyone hovered around his locker and sundown today just a quick Google search and you can get thousands of pages in these raw images where if it's like their first introduction to the stuff mannequin really be mind-blowing to these kids. Yeah, you know, and I my heart goes out to To all the father's right. Now that has I'll say Sons at least, you know sons that are 10 years old. We were in denial little bit and that is the age that they start getting exposed to it. And so what we found out is putting your head in the sand and pretending like it's not having your kids is not the way to go being proactive and understanding and you know, keeping some perspective in the you know, if they find these images and they're going to you know, no kid is immune to it these days they're going to You have to be prepared to have the hard discussions that none of us really wants to have other kids because you know getting addicted stuff your head is put you in a dark hole pretty quick and it just gets darker and deeper. If you know as a parent you pretend it's not happening and to say other be all writer, you know, it's what every boy does and estate agent might be but it doesn't really give us the responsibility as parents and trying to help them out. Yeah, definitely and well said there and another one of these things that I'm kind of, you know bracing myself for that I'm going to hit is when they start driving. 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I think my oldest because we lived on a farm. So I had him driving, you know, start out driving along other big tractors and I had Old Farm truck and stuff like that. So he was pretty easy. We just moved Your work, you know, you're taking your life in your own hands if you let a teenager out there to drive so that's a little bit different but the rules we set out for them. We took the we took the burden of buying cars for map and insurance all kind of stuff and they're pretty good with it because they know it's a very fragile balance the first ticket to get you know, the first violation you have whatever the first time we find you driving unsafe or using poor judgment, you know, you're going to lose that privilege and course not we realize that the teenagers the car is their biggest symbol of Freedom. You could possibly take away if you if you take away their current iPhone you might as well bury him six feet under I've also spent a life of teaching people how to operate complex Machinery. So I took the heart, you know the job of teaching them to drive and to be safe and make good decisions. So of all the different teenage challenges we've had with the sons having them be safe and and you Solid judgments driver has to one of them. Yeah, that's awesome. And how about as far as a fly have they gone fly with you or any of them interested in getting a pilot's license or anything like that? So they do it was humorous as we own Five Points of different sorts, and I always grew up flying where all my friends fathers were, you know, they all want other kids to solo gliders at 14 and get the license at 17 and it is a big deal and I'm even a flight instructor and my boys Fly With Me Me all the time and only one of them has really showed a passion for it. And I'm just fine with that kind like a same thing with being in the SEAL Teams or 160th. I have always told him like I would love you to go flying with me. Come hang out the airport with me, whatever and sometimes it's a hey no dad. I got other stuff going on and I never push them because again flying as always been my therapy. It's always been my Hiding Place to kind of recharge. So I enjoy it. It's my thing, but I don't expect it to be their thing. Like I said, I've got one that's really big into sports. That's his thing and he listened what I think that's awesome. I try and engage with them on as much as possible. My oldest is a complete Motorhead. He likes taking engines apart working on muscle again. He also wants a career in the military wants to fly, but I don't push it on them my anytime they say they want to do it. I just support them. But again, it's my thing and I think it's important to not you know, make them think that it has to be there is nothing but just make it available. Yeah, obviously you can I respect that you're going to let them make the decision as far as military options for them. But when it comes down to the Army-Navy game, who are you rooting for when that goes on? So what's really funny is but three years are spent at West Point. Of course. I was always a weird unicorn because where do you have a Navy SEAL? That's an army officer at West Point, you know, so I was definitely the Oddity and they would always ask me who am I get to easy man? I said, you know, I was always taught that you should always say whatever company you're in is the best company and that company is in the best Battalion and that is in the best record in the entire Army, you know, so whatever you're in that is the best place to be and so the same goes for the Army. Navy game I never even had any side words thoughts about who was going to run for it because I'm like, you know, what the Army's paying my paycheck. I am a structure and a commander West Point. So I'm waving the Army flag now, it does get kind of interesting we go. We have a leapfrog and some other guys who want to play games and and a guy named Dan Luna seal represented the Senior Chief at Annapolis and on the show. Yeah, so Dan what I would always go back and forth a little bit of So that's kind of funny. You got to be loyal to the brand so I wasn't okay. Yeah, and you know what I'm talking about, you know your kids going into those people are just graduated college and it seems like I don't really like the vibe of what's going on with the kids are coming out not knowing where to go. And like you said, I've been in my entire life and it's supported me and my family but of your kids have interest in going to any of the big colleges and how would you feel about that? Oddly enough, you know, I blew I grew up completely Blue Collar dirt before I mean it's kind of another story. But so I had to office so me and listening in the Navy and the holy cow be coming toward officer was probably like the best thing that I could have ever hoped for and you know, lo and behold being a commander West Point. I kind of laughing like there's no way a guy like me shouldn't be allowed to walk through the gates of West Point let alone command there. So I always appreciate the privilege of that, but I always One of my son's butt think that they were capable of more, you know, and you'd always like to think I've given him a better life and my wife and I we spent a lot of time grooming them to want more and be able to capable of more and all that and in the end my oldest son. We kind of paved the way for him. Like Hey, if you want to go to West your it's easy and and he looks at me one day, you know, what kind of big alligator tears is 17 year old he's like that because I really think Wesley is cooling this but I just want to be a dirty. A warrant officer like you and you know, so so what do you do with that when you finally realize that? You know, some of us are destined and groomed and equipped to go do the big university thing and they will make outstanding citizens in humans and some just want other stuff and I've come to realize because I'm a big fan of micro. I've just come to realize that everybody needs to do their thing. But whatever it is, no deal with a passion. Well that's driving a garment or trades or whatever and just do things and I have very little favor for people that look down. On others who don't attend large universities and have you know, outstanding an impressive degrees. I think that's great for for a lot of people but some it's not so like I said, I don't know exactly what my oldest son is going to do, but he's very Hands-On and he made it very clear that he wasn't interesting or he wasn't interested in attending a big university. And if he did it was going to culminate some sort of military career and the youngest and see was tan setting down. All I want to do is go to buds. So because all I do is go to buzz to be a seal. So what a ten-year-old tells you that and he shows you that he's making all this progress and works out every morning at six o'clock in the morning to show you that he's working towards that how do you like that kid in the eye and say you need to go to college for four years and not be able to tell him why is going to go do it? So we just trying to be supportive of whatever Direction they're kind of leaning in. And very cool and and what about as far as yourself Mike and then you've had all this I mean a military 30-year military career that's come to an end here. What kind of goals of plans do you have for yourself but a future so when I retired my therapy as I tell people was about five years ago. I started flying crop dusters, which if you don't know anything about the industry everybody last like I know what a redneck profession it's really not it's got to be on the scope of the discussion of this show, but it's a very precise. Adding method of flying, you know, you're flying around in a single season playing by yourself at 15 feet in the hundred fifty miles an hour in and out of the trees and the crops and stuff very demanding. And so for about the last five years I took everybody's Thanksgiving and Christmas deployments at the 160th so I can have my Summers off and come back to the Midwest where I'm from and fly crop dusters. I didn't know that it was going to turn into an occupation. It was more my therapy, you know, I was just by myself for 30 days kind of re case my brain and I went you know, Got back on the on the boat and started rowing and doing deployments again. So when I retired I kind of enjoyed it so much that it turned into an occupation. So we retired from West Point everyone expected me to go to the airline's or you know, go be a civilian contractor go to DC or any of those things that I could have done for a much larger paycheck instead. We bought out the gentleman that I've been flying crop prices for for last couple years. You want to retire that was perfect item. So now we live in a little raw Amish community in Northern Indiana six minutes away from our house airstrip and during the summertime started about may run through October 1st. I go up open the hangar pull out my little turbine power crop duster and the only fly for 10 hours a day and we love it and it's exactly what we needed at the time. It's just very therapeutic. That's not everything has to culminate into a big huge. Grand plan. I often will tell people like oh, how can you do that? You had this this amazing career surely. You've got other plans like yeah, you know, I do a lot of speaking. I've got some some writing projects in the works to keep myself busy during the winter time, but I really enjoy the occupation and I've often told people the reason I can relax and have such calmness I said it's because I got to do everything that a man could ever ask to do, you know, I was privileged to have opportunities and whole bunch of people that allow those opportunities You know, so what else could a guy want to do? So we're very happy kind of with our little bits that we found here and goes into the inner. Yeah, that's very cool. You mentioned are writing project is any of them include a book about your life story here that we can look forward to it is Calvin. I won't give away all the all the details but there is absolutely no chess Beauty in it. It's actually usually a reflection of a lot of very humorous event. That sort of shape the career, you know, a lot of people they just see this all the shiny stuff as I referred to as a career, but really it was shaped by a lot of people that gave me breaks at very pivotal times a lot of outstanding mentors and they just allowed me to take advantage of the opportunities that were presented. You know, there's there is no secret sauce. There was no Jedi knight school or anything like that. It's really just due to a lot of people helping a guy out at critical times that allowed me that the Pounce on opportunities. So yeah, it's gonna be like that. It's going to be kind of a lot of funny stories but relatable and humorous. Yeah, I definitely look forward to that as I do all the Navy SEAL books. I'm like I said, I know that there's always a little gray area with the seals that have been out and on Instagram. I just think it's a civilian. It's such a benefit to our entire society that we have access to some of you guys and be able to get a chance to read what you guys have gone through and they get a chance to follow you on social media. So I just think it benefits our whole our whole community. Here last thing. I want to hit you with here Mike. I love to ask all the dads that I get on the podcast. What kind of advice do you have for that new dad or for that about to be a father who's out there listening? I think for the new dads. What makes the housework and what makes the integration of your you child in your housework is support and Mom and I know that sounds kind of cliche but I realized early on that, you know being a dad is not like the TV shows. Were you just sitting outside the waiting room and waiting for this clean kid to come out if you get in the habit right from the get-go of being an integrated part of the family that means wiping dirty thoughts changing diapers and Mom's up at 3:00 in the morning nursing. You're sucking it up and sitting next to her in the rocker. So she knows it doesn't suck by herself, even though there's not really anything you could do about it, but kind of set the tone for both our relationship as parents and kind of our silent agreement on how we were going to raise the kids which was you know, everybody's going to take part in this and particularly important. If you're you know, if you're married to a military guy or military girl and you got the challenges or any other challenging application. or occupation where they're gone all the time that that builds the foundation of having a durable and flexible family because kids will change everything but in the absolute best way Very well said I love the message. This is a big honor for me. I got to say Mike Rutledge. You are a first-class father all the way. Thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time. I first class fatherhood. It was my pleasure for having me on the show. Thanks for your time back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again time Michael Rutledge for giving me a few minutes of his time here. That was such an honor. Please set me up on Twitter guys to draw. Me that DM on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. I always love to read your feedback and make sure you guys lock it into my Instagram accounts at Alec underscore lace and at first glance fatherhood for all of the upcoming guest announcements as I go on a little Hiatus here for the Thanksgiving holiday. I hope you enjoy the time with your family and your kids. Thank you guys for listening so much. I'm Alec lace. This has been first class fatherhood. And please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers and we're not just father's we are first class fathers.

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The series is over, but we're not quite done. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron legendary Defender after showing we're here to talk to you guys about season 8 as a whole we're going to talk about character arcs. We're going to talk about the end of reality. We're going to talk about some of our favorite moments and we're going to talk about it with two very special guests. So let's get this ball rolling and team. It's time to form Voltron you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Hello everyone. Welcome back. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron legendary. Defender after show. This is the season eight review. We are going to talk about season 8 as a whole we are going to have a grand old time doing it. I have with me a green line Megan Salinas. Hey everybody. I'm black lion Katie: and we have two wonderful fantastic returning guest that we are so thrilled to have in studio our showrunners Laura Montgomery and joaquim De Santos. Let's go. Thanks for having us. We're happy to be back in talking about the final season. Yeah, and we have to sort of give a Thing that we haven't really watched it in a while really sure what season 8 is anymore. I refreshed myself on the episode thumbnails on Netflix. So at least I have like a and they spoil light reminder. No just me things. I will never be over when Netflix marketing screws up that badly. Well, welcome back before we get started. We are going to do a little bit of housekeeping as always we have Have the live chat going for those of you who are watching live on YouTube. We have the hashtag for those of you who are watching live or listening later that hashtag on Twitter is a BTV Voltron. If you've got something to say throw it in the hashtag throw it in the live chat. You may well get a shoutout. I will say that we do check the hashtag throughout the week and it lasts longer than the live chat does so art links fun stuff throw it in there if you want it to be a little more permanent. And as always we have Vara Tavern of lions house rule be nice or get out. There we go. Oh, yeah, everyone has opinions. I firmly believe that you can express your opinions in a respectful Manner and if you find yourself unable to do that, you will be banned from the channel no more AfterBuzz animation for you little boy. Most of you have been pretty dang good at that which Ira preciate keep it up and we will continue season 8 though you guys almost serious Finale what what was releasing this last season like for you it was exhausting. Yeah releasing. It was really easy because we were like out of you it's done. We're relaxing. We're kind of like things were nice and slow making it was a whole different scenario. This was where we really procrastinated a lot. Things like we thought we had this beautiful idea that we'd have all this time at the end. When where there's no new episodes coming up that we have to make and like we'll have all this time to like reboard all these things. I need to be reboarded and focus all this attention and we had none of that time and I don't even know how that happened. I think what we forgot to realize was doing a regular producer duties takes the whole day and the end of the day was when we did all our storyboard stuff. I think I don't know how the math work today. We assumed that like as soon as season 7 was done. We reverted back to being like storyboard artists or something and then we just be like, yeah, we'll just like draw and stuff again. An input Balancing Act. We still happy. Yeah, like three spinning plates at it one day. I'm gonna figure it out. So to get it at 11:59 before it's due to be like 80 year olds like we figured it out. What is this crazy old person doing here trying to move cartoon. That's what we're all trying to do collectively. We're making a cartoon. So you had a lot of story threads to bring together and resolve as well as a lot of new information to give us was there. Was there anything The thing that got lost in the shuffle, was there anything you would have like to emphasize a little more that there just wasn't time for it a lot. I mean, yeah, it'sit's tough. We had this massive nerva backstory to sort of really set up and queue up and we were able to do that a little bit sort of leading up at Not Season 8 was really our big push to get that all set up. I think you know that came at the cost of like I would have loved to have spent more time with the MFE pilots and sort of figure out what made them. Tick and we got a little bit of that with you know, like day 47. But yeah, I don't know there was stuff like that like incidental Side characters that we just were we were super fond of yeah, it's one of those really tricky things about having a show this big as you introduce all these characters and we had all these great ideas of like they're all going to come into play in these many different ways. And and so you would be kind of the in the writers room with the writers like talking about all these things and then slowly but surely Surely as we needed to just kind of Whittle it down and make it understandable and get the strongest points across like these little things would fall away. And so suddenly you'd lose that that kind of side character involvement. Like we had this idea this idea of like slob was going to kind of be with them and figuring out all of these like crazy in a reality traveling stuff and like he would know all the realities that he would know exactly where to go. He'll be in the cockpit with a crazy and then were like, oh no we need to just like do we really need slob? Yes. Yes, you did but that might be a little awkward. So yeah, and honestly just like the finale it's helped just that last episode like we've always with every finale we've done in our three like big Seasons. We you know zarkon we consider be one season lotor has a second season and then this big like Sendak Earth / under of a Arc each of those had a big finale and every time Time we would write that big finale and we would run out of time like we would override it and I would always try to say like guys we need like at least an act of wrap up and then for the big series finale like it would have been awesome to have an entire episode where we could just dedicate to it like tying up Loose Ends, but you can't do that. We we wrote an episode and then we got notes like hey, there's only action in act one. Can we have action in act two and three? I like know. That's crazy. But I'm seventy eight episodes just a 26-episode wrap up. This is a 78 episode 1 but when you when you look at that final episode, it really is just the First Act of like fight stuff and the rest is pretty much wrap up. Yeah. I mean we were just saying to each other we wished that the conversation in limbo almost could have had its own episode. It came out awesome. Would that have been to really like explore Deep dive into a nervous pee OV and make that transition when she you know, sort of yeah decides to go along with the Laura sell that yeah, but you sort of deal that just hit the hit the kind of cutting room floor storyboard wise just because we didn't have the time and so we're looking like it's a kids show technically still even though we're trying to make it more than that. You have a scene. That's basically an act long. That's just in a white. Lodi space with people talking about like, you know, bigger emotional stuff. Yeah, and you know letting that go any longer than that is just like you can't do it. Yeah kids are sleeping right now. What's interesting though? Is it it seems like we're in a I don't know sort of social situation. Now where those types of shows are becoming more and more of a reality and we were on this like weird precipice were we were always working on shows that were pushing the boundaries and maybe Voltron Was on the Tipping Point it seems like now animation is way it's broadening like every day. So hopefully we'll be able to see more shows that can like lean in and get really really character Centric and and still have all the Sci-Fi like big action stuff to go along with it. I was telling him what came out, you know, we were just talking about how during our time on Voltron we restarted in a very specific point in the industry where we were very Used to working inside of our boys toys animation box and trying to push the boundaries and those were literally only jobs that were available to us because those were the only shows that Studios had in animation and during our time on Voltron like Castlevania came out and change the landscape and now suddenly there's all these Studios Netflix opened its own Studio here. We were making a show through DreamWorks for Netflix and now we could have just gone. Gone straight to a show that was more geared towards like young adults and more but we were like trying to like like when we sneak it in the backyard, this is secretly a much deeper show everybody, but it's exciting that because that's it's a reality that we didn't know if it would ever be right a thing because we were working on quora and we would say to ourselves like this is the last time we're ever going to get this chance you guys like core is like a crazy. Teacher where Nickelodeon knows they're not making it for kids. It has no toy tie-in. It has no consumer products tie and it's just meant to be kind of an art project at the studio. And so it was allowed to be this very mature different show for an audience that they didn't really understand and and so when it was over like, all right, well back to the old way we were prepared for it. And we you know, we definitely had more of like a fun camp. He vibed Voltron but we still wanted to try to customize this much of the like sort of Pathos and and sort of hero's journey and sort of deep character introspective stuff as we could. Yeah, but you know, it's funny too because it just seems maybe even to ourselves but it seemed like The lines got blurred even in how it was received by the fandom and received by even like the media Outlets. It was it was sort of like on the cusp of being talked about, you know, with other shows that were way more mature like all the Game of Thrones of it all and it's like Getting compared to shows that we were like live-action shows where like, oh, they should have done it like this and it's like that. That would be awesome if that were an option right at all right in any way but asked us to consider are like little robot lion show being made us trying to make this show for as many people as possible under the guidelines of a boy's Toy Show. It's Are going to be able to have like quite the ability to push farther that like a live-action like Walking Dead on AMC. That's at 10 o'clock at night specifically for adults where you don't have to worry about how a my kids going to know if your kids are watching Walking Dead you have other problems the better your the best parent in the world. But what was it that sort of desire to push the boundaries that Sort of resulted in this climax where yeah, we have the big action set piece leading up to it. But ultimately the resolution is one that's brought up from empathy and understanding I think so and I think I will say DreamWorks was incredibly patient with us with regards to us approaching a lot of these subjects. They were, you know, maybe still figuring things out in terms of how they would approach, you know other topics that we can we can get into a little later but I I'd say the finale is almost I don't know. I don't want to say unlike anything that you would see and other like-minded shows. Like let's say like Transformers or Power Rangers or something that like Voltron was by outward appearances being compared to but it was it was something I think really exciting for us to be able to explore because we did create villains and create Heroes that worked with in this very complicated. Of like Shades of Grey Spectrum, there was there was there was black there was white but we played in this really weird morally ambiguous Zone A lot of the time and that was I think it's important for kind of audiences of every age group to see that and we also came from working on shows like avatar The Last Airbender and Cora which very much push those boundaries as well and we're extremely groundbreaking. Oh, yeah children's programming and it was you not something that That was coming out of Western animation. So I mean we I would say we learned an insane amount from Mike and Brian. We just had to reverse engineer that into the goofy count that was are like little little trick to the industry. It was like, how do we do all that cool stuff that we were able to do in those shows and sort of ground this package and honestly, like a lot of it was just us knowing that Our ability to like show everything on screen like every type of representation we might have wanted to show we might not get our way on everything. But at least through having these larger lessons we can we can still push those messages right of acceptance and of understanding and of like looking Beyond and those are just important messages, I think like everyone kind of learns them in their life in their own way and Don't know like I was such a little like asshole kid. I didn't understand and I didn't understand why people cried when they were happy as like, why would you cry when you're happy like you're happy and then of course now, I'm the woman who watched a T-Mobile commercial today and friggin cried. So it's commercial. It was beautiful. I will describe two afternoon. You know, they're they're things that come through I think life experience and through learning and our paladins had that kind of on steroids with their whole Voltron Journey. So, you know to really show how that manifested in how they learn from it was it's important and I think it's just important for kids to see it. Even if they're not there in their life yet to know when they get there. They look back and like oh happening for that character. Yeah to be able to see it happen to someone else. Someone that you're invested in because so it's Lance. He's my favorite and then you watch him grow from this brat right to the right arm of Voltron, right? Yeah. Actually, I think this is a good point to start talking about character arcs and this season. Yeah nerva. She is amazing and horrifying and not the villain. I expected to make it to the very end. Here. We are. I don't press where you at all sympathetic. Talk to her and her 100% it it's so she was one of the most fascinating characters to watch because once she gets her memory back and she realized you know, contextually speaking we as the audience find out who she is at the same time. She does you you slowly start to realize how much of this entire scenario she's responsible for whether inadvertently or not. And so it's so fascinating watch her refusal to take Possibility for her part in it, but still desperately wanting that simply, you know, the human connections that she was denied, you know human so to speak I'll take a telling that the perfect world that she found a slot herself into is the dimension where she died where it is taken out of the equation. Yeah, it's possible that it's a dimension where the comet never happened because Voltron was obvious. It's like a surprise the alliances were still there. But the giant robots were you've brought this monster down upon us. What are you so it's it's telling that that's the perfect Dimension that she found is the one where she died super early on and correct me if I'm wrong, but her to obtain the perfect world. She was also basically willing to kill infinite versions of her son and her husband in order to get what she deemed she was worthy of. What that's in that sort of like the misdirected love right? Like she was in one hand looking for the acceptance and the love of a family that she never had but she was blind to everything else all the other chaos that she was causing as a result that to me is is interesting. I feel you know, it's an interesting character. It's not necessarily like the most like honorable by any means but you know characters when you can understand why they want it, but then you see them. Them doing things that are absolutely unacceptable to get it. It's like, you know, it's wrong but you know, you can kind of just and we're hearing crackle in my ear. Yeah, there there's something really incredible like interesting to me about her kind of victim mentality where she she really won't accept that like a lot of this is her fault. She just looks at basically like she's lost her whole life. She's witnessed. It not knowing that it was hers realizing looking back on all the things. She should have done differently that she could have done differently and it's kind of you know, she's kind of trying to point that blame of like well if I the quintessence had Thought to do you know, she'll turn it on everyone except her even though she was right there, you know kind of diving into this whole quintessence research and bringing this whole thing about its voltron's but it was also cool. I think you know, one of the things that I was really surprised of in the room, I don't really remember how it came up with the notion that when she shows up on this reality and then Voltron follows. They're like why have you brought this like demon monster? Thank you. The world it's a it's a it's a crazy sort of flip of the script where really, you know Voltron was doing good. But in a lot of people's eyes and it's you know in a certain people's eyes. It could be seen as when you wouldn't know bring you a beast in that City. That's right. Look at this giant monstrosity that's going to wreak havoc on our planet because the nerve of parked hers out back. She was smart enough to store it Leon off-planet going and we were talking A little bit before this about you know, how there's this portion of the fandom. That's like, how could you like justice for lotor and Andrew? You know, where is his Redemption and how could you kill them off? And obviously, you know, we feel we're coming from a point of you know, he's gone so far off the deep end that that death was really the only sort of Salvation that he had on some level but it's interesting that it was it was lotor in that reality there was Version of lotor that was you know, unaffected and uncorrupted and you know doesn't come from that that kind of horrific background that are lotor did that was in essence kind of kicked off everything being turned on a nerve has plans. Yeah. It really does highlight how a person's like the circumstances that they find themselves in really do have an effect on the person that they become right? But it's also a matter of choice like this these awful. Awful things happen to him like there's no question that lotor would have turned out better had his parents been physically capable of empathy for their kind of zombies. So it's an issue. There's no not the weird shirt said to the weirdest thing I've said today, but even after all that happened he made the choice to go. You know, what fine violence it is lean super hard into that curve even while he was still going. Oh, no, I don't want to mess with my goal or Heritage. Oh, no, I'd rather be an all-day. No, no this Like and and that's I think that non cleanliness of like where he fits in and like the villain category of the hero category or the character that's going to be redeemed or that is an area that we like to play and in sometimes does not have the answers that everybody's sort of hoping for, you know, we'd like to blur those lines. But sometimes you know, the lines are blurred there for the fans have their own interpretations But ultimately it's a story guys right one gets Tabla happy ending and in the story, I will say he was beautiful beautiful hair and he middle or together look beautiful together. This is very true. But yeah, I mean you ever see those beautiful flowers and then you go to smell them and they smell like death itself. That's kind of that the hell of a point. I still ship it, but no it does not work. Within the framework of the narrative in any capacity look there is a universe in which it happened and it was fine 50 not that you have the beauty of Love Story. There's an a you wear it totally worked out and everyone was happy because Comics to be written fanfics go crazy. Yeah. Well and ultimately it's the memory of what he was trying to do that brings her nerver around lie. Yeah. And so there was there was goodness in him like you can't you can't deny that. At but some actions are you know, really your only way out you kinda Got Away perspective is you got to you got to kind of pay the ultimate price well for loto there was some good in him, but cool motive still burning. So totally involve the ton of murder. Yeah, pretty sure all of the battery all Tans are super dead because I don't think anyone else found that Moon if you want to hear about a while. I'm sure Rimmel. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. By the way, when that episode came out and when we were getting like the recording we couldn't stop saying to each other but we love that read so much like that name. There were a lot of fun talking about that. There were a lot of fun references to the Original Series in this season. And like at the very beginning we actually have a clip from the original series playing sound like that. God bless to sound like this. We you know, we love the original show and we always had this silly idea because we play with so many different realities that like what if in our reality the show it's technically live action to them and it's being made about them. And so Place because here we are making a show that's based on that show, right? And I was like, well, what if that show is based on our super meta inverse meta. It was just funny to us that like we could work it in. We always wanted to work it in and some way just because you know, we love it and we like to pay homage to it. But that like we joked about it and we actually had a few more references like in the episode. I ended up way super overriding that episode bunch of stuff looky right or mistake. But it was all goal is all gold. They just had to go but being where they were going to see like the spend icing like she wasn't there though. But like I think it was like hunk and Keith were like that little viewing party with like honks family and and then they see the sea and they're like, wow, they're really taking some liberties. A space Hospital would have expired I would not be here right now if that had happened because I would have died laughing I've been doing there was never made it never even really made it past like the roughs and storyboard because again like I so over wrote that episode that we just started hacking stuff out. There was a also Tim Hedrick did an amazing Pidge in the room and a lot of like us being so obsessed with was with him. Just going like what using you just got wet. Bring in more OG page begs his ability to emulate that voice. Oh, yeah. I know they are just wonderful. Yeah, we got to do that. We got to have the little nod to like Pages outfit and a Laura's outfit that like kind of goes by real quick. Those are so fun. I felt pretty great at Montage and then we got chip at the end to yeah. The biggest trolls ever. I'm just never gonna make wants to take that but we you know, I so I'm just going to admit I never watched vehicle Voltron. How dare you, you know, like I did my research and like there's a cool idea to Idea to it there and and my husband I were recently recently watching Pat labor that how they call it. That's how they call it on the thing Pat labor. They called laborers patlabor is what we'd always call it, but they're probably rivers and it's this like cop next show and it's really a clever like it is fun because they have mix and they're cops and they just kind of episode 2 episode do cock things and I was like, well if you're going to make a vehicle Voltron, you've got these three teams, they could basically be like cops and mix it like just described. My dreams show. Yeah, we cute it up and then and ship. I just I love the idea of like pidge's one goal in life, you know going out to the world and seeing sentient AI like to create one of her own and she's doing it like with her brother and it's this like nice bonding moment. And then the fact that chip was like what pidge's cousin? Yeah, that's right our brother. I believe it was brother what it was like in the Lucia. It was really just cuz it was me too. It would have been cousin. Well, I mean spend had a brother hard because they started cutting together different series to continue Voltron. So it's hard to say it just made a lot of sense that you know, she would pursue that and that would be her passion technology is her passion and then with her family and then obviously being such a huge part of the Galaxy Garrison. With Voltron kind of you know taken itself out of the equation. They would then sort of take up the mantle. Yeah, and then the really there's a pitch though. We're chip ends up taking over Earth like the sentient AI becomes the villain a thousand years later for I was just I was just about to say the Voltron that Sam and and everyone creates ultimately is like, you know becomes the place. Then they yeah, they become like the powerful and the Galaxy there's a scrappy Gall resistant and they flip the script become a good living long enough to see yourself become the villain. I love it. I don't know how much I love this because we are going to run out of time here in a hot second. I there's so much I want to talk about and I'm having such a hard time deciding things about a Laura. Oh Laura she had such a rough season incredibly. Well telegraphed very rough for sure. I think you know, we knew like coming down to it that with a nerve up being the final villain. And basically we have two female alt a in people who have had a very similar thing happen to them. They've lost their families. They've lost like the life they knew and it's just two very different. He's at how they handle this, right? They've had very sick in a weird way similar circumstances and come and approached him from yeah. It's a story. It's a story line. We wanted to originally do kind of with Keith and lotor back when like our kind of original story pitch where she was going to kind of exit the show Keith was going to be here who's going to stay with the teams. We wouldn't have jetted off and gone to the blade of Marmora and it was going to be a big like lotor season where you got lotor half Italian half cholera Keith half cholera have human It's like you've got this or two. Yeah, The Duality of those two and like how does it work out? And you know, you see lotor seems like the guy who has it all together in the beginning but then ultimately he evolves and becomes a better person. So we got to play a little bit of that here with the Lauren an herbal who very similar situations but Alaura going about it like the way that it's painful to her. She did lose her entire family. She lost her Planet her. Home and even now there's there's that sense in the first episode where she realizes once this war ends. She might not even have like her Voltron family. Like they have families. Like what are they gonna do? They don't need me anymore and it's this kind of very it's selfish in a way, but it's beautiful because she can feel that way but she's not acting on it was not sabotaging to keep them. I would love to do that to keep her family. Yeah, it was just beautiful to kind of see how much she was willing to take on a herself and at the end of the day like, you know, we keep sort of using this term boys toys show because that's sort of the reality of what we came into it. Of we're taking on the savour this franchise. It was very merchandise based and trying to sell toys two young boys essentially and at the end of the day it became this story almost a Laura Story solely when you when you really sort of like step back and look at it, but it was it was this sort of Face Off of two strong women that were approaching these problems from very different angles that who the heck would have known that that would have. Yeah, I would have Been the wedding. We didn't even really know it. We did it evolved. But but yeah, it was nice. It was nice because when we told Kimberly and of course she was sad and like listen, we know it's we never it's never personal. We're not like, you know, I don't like that Kimberly. Let's cook at the very last. Yeah, we told Neil and we try to be kind and like let people know and so we let her know ahead of time. So Is not just a reading the script like what the hell and she was sad, but we just let her know like listen this it's a Laura Story like she is literally the hero she's not dying to further another hero story. She is the hero like this war ends with her with her and then I made her a completely. Fake promise that I couldn't really make her listen if we do any more episodes I'm bringing her back or not. She's I'm not making this show without her but the like is there like the sort of post-credits thing was leaving that door open. Yeah, the lions taking off and and seeing the, you know, a Laura nebuli think in our minds it. Is sort of her quintessence coalescing and and reforming isn't like kind of coming back together so you can do whatever you want with that like yeah, man one guys. Honestly it was it was a door left open. Like there's nobody ever really dies. It should be like comics and animation and sci-fi in and of itself is a door left. Right? Right. Yeah the word sci-fi exists in definition of your show. This is adorable instant. Back from the ending of Iron Giant all the pieces as a woman of color. And so I think a lot of fans only looking at it superficially were like, oh the the woman of color was killed off and it's like Yeah, there is a Trope of people of color dying to save the stupid white people around them. Like I understand that Trope, but the problem with that superficial interpretation is that they're ignoring the fact that she's the main character here. Well, there's that and also just put it on the table. Our original pitch was that they were all gonna die. Honestly, like in my opinion that would have been an easier like window to bring them back if they all disappeared. You could pop them all back anytime and you got the team again easy easy spin off, but it would have been just disappear. Yeah. Okay. We're not look we should have been melted like me getting Cronenberg instead of taking it upon herself. They all would have agreed to do it. Together and and they would have gone in and essentially taken Voltron out of the equation. That was something that we're actually really believed for even from early on WE introduced this idea that Al for had helped to create this thing not realizing how dangerous it could be kind of like, you know, the person who created The Adams Family and like having that guilt and so having a Laura be part of the team that took Voltron out of the equation and now that weapon is an available to anyone that was A big deal. We were told that that was too sad a beautiful sacrifice that is allowed to make and also really when you think about it if it had to come down. On to any one person. She's from like a logistical standpoint. She's the only one powerful enough and we sort of demonstrated it through, you know, if her being a life-giver so we've had a lot of characters like who've been on like the the death table. We've thrown them all out there at some point right had to kind of get thrown out at a point in the story where it made sense that their death would have been worth it like For page it would have been saving her family. Like if she had died to save her family for honk it would have been saving Earth which almost happened. It was like and it was it was going to be that take place over this last season of it's not about who you are. It's about who you are. And the fact that she's done some bad things, but she truly believes in doing the right thing and making forward and she could have been a viable part of that. But I also would argue that it like there's just not there wouldn't have been enough time. I think for everybody to like absorb that if we had like a three season run at like bringing her in getting her settled and then having her that would have made more. Yeah, that was good but honks was especially tragic like it was the moment where they were going to where they were taking the Robie stuff. And there was like that ticking time bomb going off and he literally sees his family but he's never actually like interacted with him. So he only gets to look at them dark storylines princess pony in in the hashtag did some fan art of evil chip. Oh wow. #ubtv Voltron the check that out and makes me very happy. They're red glowing eyes. It's black and white, but he does look very happy. Yeah, but a Laura's death was the only one that made sense from a power standpoint. And even from the story standpoint that we were setting up with a nerva and then also just on I know like it's probably going to be highly contested but on a feminist level from my standpoint, the the man is always one who gets to be the hero like Armageddon Bruce Willis sacrifices himself to send you know fergan Ben Affleck that and like if basically Keith had gone like all do it and then you know Laura had to stand on the sidelines and be like good. Thank you Esa the day I would be happy like no I was on my women to be able to save the day too. And even if it's about making that ultimate sacrifice if people want to interpret that as sexist, and that's fine, but we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I mean You tried well-to-do the heroic sacrifice you guys with no, excuse me. We tried to kill key this this is like well, we don't need to kill Keith and they said you can't do that. We're not kill happy there I think. Something there's this is a journey and there's something meaningful to I think everybody's death. And and so when you even look at like melted lotor course, he basically had done to him what he had done to so many other people. So there's there's like a sort of a given to take their. Yeah, I love it and and like a show where I don't want to rag on any other shows that skirt around death or anything like that because again, they are writing for a certain demographics, but I always appreciate when shows have You know actions have consequences and sometimes character death is a really good way of conveying that and I think for a lot of other people people forget that a Laura and season 1 is the same character that picked up Shiro threw him out of a room at right as the doors were closing and basically sack was could have died in that moment. She was sacrificing herself. So it's not like this is out of character for her. Yeah and current said like 15 different times like What about the risks you could you could not come back from this if you give all your contestants to the ball Mara, if you give all your quintessence to making this gigantic worm. Hold a transport zarkon's ship. Like if you don't the dark and every time she would say like I know the risks and YOLO or into the void With Honor. I love that. She had to do a hard reset on a nervous brain and then You could fix things like she's the only one that would have been able to do that in any capacity. Yeah, and it's allowing a nerva to maybe experience the consequences that came as a result of her actions and really understand what those goods bellowing her to get past like The Cloud of all of the pain she's felt and I realized like remember the good things because sometimes you can get so bogged down with the negativity that you can forget what it was that you loved about a thing in the first place, right and she was altana She loved discovering. She loved knowledge and she she reached out with Alpha and she helped multiple people before they started this quintessence Comet project that kind of messed everything up. So she just kind of had to show her these things, you know? Yeah at one point at one point. Is there anything else that you because we're hitting the end of our time. Is there anything else you guys want to touch on now or should we save a few things for next week? Yeah, I mean, you know look we I think Lauren made a really good point in that. you know, sometimes you sort of lose sight of the good things for, you know, maybe some of the negative things we'd only hope that you know, the sort of big post-mortem from the fandom at large even those that are super unhappy with the Way season a turned out sort of looks back on the series with positive feelings because I think there's While feelings might get hurt and feelings might be people might feel betrayed by like story decisions like the show was made with nothing but like love and good intentions and positivity. And yes, we told some hard stories to tell and characters came to certain conclusions. That weren't like the most popular decisions, but we were just trying to tell a story that like looked beyond the campiness and Beyond the colorful Salinas to tell something that felt a bit more true and a bit more real and and had as one of our execs would always say steaks and consequences of steaks and Urgent steaks and urged a synergistic and that was gonna be a there's gonna be a restaurant that's one part of honks food Empire steaks and urgency, but we can, you know, we can leave all the other stuff for for our yeah. Yeah, and printers ponies has made a new version. Thank you for joining us this week. This has been absolutely lovely. Are there any other projects you're working on that you can tell us about know I am working on getting my floors redone. Yeah, I'm getting there. Popcorn scraped off of my ceilings which is all more expensive than I realized. It was going to be and and and moving all my crap out of the house so that these people can do this work and that is a hell of a project that I would not wish on anyone and I just took a week off with my wife to Marie. Kondo or entire house Daddy come over anything. She did with her clothes, and it was pretty epic. Like my pile went to your sister to eBay off. Look. I love toys like yeah during the course of Voltron during production like super weighty dark times. I would just go on like eBay and just be like, bye. Bye. Bye in a pile of toys stacked up behind me that I never opened up. Yeah retail cardboard box fort Oh goodness, and then he had a kid and said, oh no, I don't need all this stuff Return to Sender. Yeah, it sounds but all right. Where can the people go on social media if they would like to keep up with you? Um, all of the same places art of Lorne. I'm on Twitter the best for Montgomery and Instagram though. I will say the Voltron post like kind of over at this point. Yeah, so Don't it. Don't maybe follow me. Now. If you're just coming for Voltron, you'll probably be a little disappointed same for me genius two four seven on something and JD s 77 the other thing there you go underscore in between those so I'm going to unfollow you guys now because Alright, thanks again for coming you guys for having us you guys have been awesome this entire and we'll be back next week. That's right. Yeah the save that little announcement for you guys can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at the manga. That's what I really wanted to say. I wanted to give a quick shout out to Mark and Emma and Alexis who all were wearing the hashtag tonight. We miss you guys, and we love you and we'll be seeing you soon. The live Channel X. This is case. Love you. You can follow yellow line marked Annika at Mark. We'd Annika red line and my five at MI5 and blue orange blue and you can follow me all over the social medias as well as on YouTube and twitch at QJ. That is K IA X ET. 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 This week’s #ABTVVoltron covers Season 8 as a whole! Hosts Katie Cullen and Megan Salinas and showrunners Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos discuss Season 8, from Honerva’s character arc to Allura’s development as the hero of the story. They talk about the classic Voltron references that made their way into the show and even discuss potential alternate endings that never saw the light of day. It’s the penultimate episode of the Voltron after show - tune in! The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire.

You know some of some of the best memories are in the car on the way home with your parents after these games and not everybody gets that and I always encourage your your first statement to your kids and I really enjoyed watching you play today. I want an open line of communication between my athletes and I want them to have ownership in what they do, you know, I asked for input from them on a lot of things one thing that any one of the kids that play for me one thing that they will know is that I care about them and and that's that's something that they can walk away from our program knowing that there's somebody who's always in their Corner old. We have a good one for you today. It's episode 11 and we are going to talk some softball today. We are bringing in a special guest from right here where we record from an Athens, Ohio on the campus of Ohio University. We have Ken 0 Arc the head softball coach for the Ohio University Bobcats and we can't wait to get into this episode. And so episode 11 begins right now. We have with us today a very special guest and I'm especially excited to sit down in front of the microphones with her because we are going to talk some softball today Pat and I often refer to softball in this podcast because we are assuming that there are a lot of similarities in the topics that we discussed our that we have discussed so far, but we no longer have to assume because today we have Ken 0 arc on the podcast and Coach Roark is about to begin her second season as the head so Ball coach for the Ohio University bobcats in our first season. She put up really impressive really impressive record of 34 and twenty one twelve and eight in the Mid-American Conference and entered the Mac postseason tournament as the three seed and then went on to win their first three games putting them in the Winner's bracket for the championship game, but then Toledo sorry to bring this up. Yeah. Toledo was able to win two in a row to in the cat season, but nevertheless it was a phenomenal first season, especially considering when you you came on board coach Rowe Arc has been a division one college athlete herself playing four years at Virginia Tech where she became one of the all-time great pitchers in Virginia Tech History. She was the Ace of the Hokies pitching staff for three over four years while she was there and was an Atlantic Coast Conference all tournament and player of the week selection during her career there. She began her coaching career as a student assistant at Virginia Tech and then went on to be the pitching coach at East, Tennessee. State and then invested for really great years at the University of South Carolina Upstate, which is by the way a Powerhouse in fastpitch softball in the Atlantic Sun Conference as the pitching coach there which by the way the Spartans had 340 win Seasons during her time with that team so Ohio University, I guess needless to say was really fortunate to hire coach Rourke as the head coach in August of last year. If I remember right you're getting this is like coming up on your one-year anniversary as September 1st. Yeah, so that's fantastic. So just it's our great pleasure today and I'm here with my co-host Pat Martin. Hey everyone. Sorry every time we introduce a guest you never get a chance to say, I'm good with it so coach were Arc. We welcome you at skin zero Arc to the coaching live podcast. We're really excited to be able to talk some softball today. Yeah. Glad to be here. Thanks for having me great to have you coach. Coach if you don't mind could you walk us through your journey from high school to becoming a division 1 College athlete for Virginia Tech to becoming a student assistant there to then becoming a pitching coach at two different universities to now being the head softball coach for I University. Well, you know, first of all, you know High School, I was lucky to play on a good travel team and had a really good high school softball team as well my my coach in high school. Was pivotal in making me mentally tough and she was a big reason is to you know, kind of why I got to go where I went. I was recruited by Virginia Tech actually in Seattle Washington. That was a tournament. They saw me and it was the sa Nationals and that it was funny. We went across the country to get recruited by a university. It was only five hours away from me. So went there Scott Thomas was my head coach. I had originally got into college with the idea that I wanted to do broadcasting and you know, I made it through my first couple of communications classes and was like, maybe I don't know just maybe not what's for me and I at that point had done some clinics and camps with my pitching coach and with our team and I talked to Scott and was like listen. I kind of think that I really like this and it's something that I can see myself doing like, how do I how do I get involved? And how do I kind of get my foot in the door? And he was like if that's something that you're serious about, you know, you can take a fifth year and you can stick around and you can be a student assistant and you can kind of get that experience under your belt because any any job that you apply for coaching wise every single one of them say experience is required. Well, how do you get You know, so I volunteering exactly exactly so I was extremely lucky that he he let me do that. And so I took that fifth year. It was very different being in that role obviously being with three of those classes. I had obviously played with but you know, they were there are really great as far as you know allowing me to kind of transition into a role that went from teammate to I wasn't coach coaching them. You know what I mean? But it was it was a really it was a really great experience. And then after that had to had to fly away from Virginia Tech which was really sad because I loved college, but I went to East Tennessee State which about two and a half hours away from where my parents are from and I just kind of again one of those things. It's a lot of the times it's who you know and Brad Irwin who is the head coach there still? He actually was out to dinner with some friends of like mine and they knew that I had applied for that job and they're like you need to hire her. Well, she doesn't have experience. I'm telling you you need to hire her and he he was a the reason I really got my foot in the door, you know as an assistant. I know I owe a lot to him as far as that goes. He gave me a lot of freedom that first first couple of years. We jump in feet first did a lot of learning by doing the wrong thing. Sometimes you know what I mean? Sometimes you gotta learn you gotta learn that way 90% of our time talking on this podcast about doing the wrong thing. So, yeah and from there East Tennessee State was in the a-sun at that time and from there. I went to USC Upstate and had a phenomenal experience there Chris Hawkins a head coach. He's been there for almost 30 years now and he was an incredible Mentor any moment that he could say. Hey come here, you know when you're a head coach. This is something that you want to do and this is something that I look for and it was an invaluable experience from the minute that I got there. It was learning learning learning learning and I was still learning the day that I left and so it was really really an incredible experience for me. Especially as a young coach and the assistant coach Brian pack. He's one of my one of my best friends in the world and same thing. He just full of knowledge and both of them want to grow the game. They want to tell everybody everything they know and so yeah just very lucky to have been able to work with them for so long. That's great. As you said something actually said a couple things there that that struck my mind, but you said the word learning and you're talking about a time when you were the The pitching coach but you were still learning. We are episode 4 just aired Monday and in that episode we talked about how important it was for two in order to be better as a coach. You have to collaborate you have to you have to be trained and you have to learn and I think that's one of the things that sometimes we We don't do as coaches because we feel like that we should already know all the answers and we should already be where we need to be. So we're almost turned off by the idea of of getting getting ideas and learning from someone else, but great point there that you know, no matter where you are in life no matter where you are in your your career. You should always be learning. The reason why the great coaches in college are are great. I mean, if you go to the American baseball coaches Association conference, which you go to that convention, don't you? Yeah, I'm I'll be there this year. Yeah, you hear it every year every year Tim Corbin coaches Vanderbilt Vanderbilt University sits in the front row with a notebook filling it up on every speaker whether that speaker is a professional speaker a high school speaker or one of his peers in the University world. But yeah, I mean there's a reason why you just constantly learning. That's so valuable. So viable, how did you hear about the OU job? So actually they are Reached out to me. I mean it was awesome. It was kind of weird, you know, we were already in practice at an Upstate because they started school a couple weeks before. Oh you did and I got a call from the senior woman administrator and she asked if I was interested in the job and I said absolutely obviously I had we had actually Play-Doh you a couple of years before that. They came down to Spartanburg. And so I knew that I knew that The program and I knew that they had had some successful seasons and she called me on I think it was a Friday asked me if I was interested. I said, yes, she called me Monday or maybe it was a Tuesday asked me if I could be on a plane the next day. I said sure got on a plane on that Wednesday had dinner with them Wednesday night went on the rest of my interview Thursday made it back to Spartanburg at 11 o'clock at night on Thursday. And they offered me the job at noon on Friday. So that's incredibly it was a very fast very Whirlwind. They had done their homework. Obviously, they'd already they it was just a formality getting you up here most likely II, you know, I don't know what their process was, but I just I'm really thankful. I had I think I had some good people in my corner, you know, yeah making calls for me and and so that always helps So you come up here you come to Ohio and you little Athens, Ohio and you are here in August. The students are beginning class that week. I'm assuming I think it was around August 26 last year. So when they are my my first day was September 1st, and that was the first day of yes. Yeah. So there you go. The recruits for that for this past year. We're already here. You didn't have any hand in that right? And what was that like we're coaching conyo getting them on board. I mean, I know you and I've had some conversations. I know some things that you did behind the scenes. I mean, if you don't care to talk about how you had to massage that a little bit coming in as the new person. I'm sure that some of the existing, you know, some of the players that have been there for four years were pretty attached to the previous staff and and you know, they're probably some some Some navigation that had to take place in getting them to trust you and and really kind of work hard for you. Right? I'm guessing. Yeah, so I had a real had a really great senior class. There was six of them and culture wise we already there was already a good culture put in place here. That was one of the things that Drew me to this job, you know, I was in I was in a place where we were winning a lot of games and I was very happy, so I wasn't going to leave that for an opportunity. That wouldn't be a good fit. And the culture here, like I said was one of the things that really drew me to wanting to take this position. So I met with a couple of the seniors right when I took this job and you know, they were instrumental in pretty much you know, right when right when the job came open. They were calling our recruits and saying hey, you know our Administration has our back and you need to just like be good like everything will be fine like we're very Confident in you know what we're what they're going to do for us. And so they kind of kept the Train on the tracks as far as that went before any higher was made which was really awesome. And so then when I got here we met I met with a couple of them. Like I said and they pretty much were like, you know, we have we've had a lot of good things happen here and we're very we're very thankful for those things. But whatever you want to mold this program into we're on board and it was yeah and it was I mean amateur absolutely absolutely and you know, it was kind of like one of those things because you you hear horror stories sure from other people. But yeah, it was just I was extremely fortunate to have a group of A group of people who were so willing to just say hey, you know, whatever whatever you want to mold us into like we're good with that. We want to we want to do that and you know, we had a lot of conversations about you know, If we can if we're all on the same, we're all in the same boat. We all have the same, you know goal in mind then it's going to be really hard to stop us and and they really brought in from day one. What I'm a I'm a little different from what they were used to for the last three years and sure you know, what they write and what they did for the three years of for me was it wrong it worked for them, but I'm just a little different and and they really they hit the ground running and it It's just they made me look really good because they bought in and they pretty much said everybody get on this boat. And let's see what we can do. So I was I was really fortunate to have good people and really good leadership early. Yeah, and and that was that was yeah, excellent for me. That's really impressive. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan and I've been through sorry. Hey hard life. You don't have to apologize anymore. Tide has turned what I was gonna say. I've been through a lot of regime changes and I know from a professional athlete perspective not everyone is willing to buy in to the new two new programs. That's a tough thing to do. So a lot of credit out to those there's a lot of credit to them. But also it's a testimony to you as well in valuing the relationship with the players as much as you are philosophy, you know, I mean, I think that's one of the biggest differences in coaches. I think you understand today's player and and I'm used to Me as someone who does and so well actually I was kind of segueing into that because I you retweeted something from Bob Shipley one time on Twitter and he was talking about the difference between punishment and basically love and you know how athletes respond better to knowing that their coach cares for them. So, you know, I was going to basically share that same sentiment that coach Stewart did there that While a lot of credit goes to those seniors, I'm sure that when they sat down they talk to you they saw you know, someone that was that was genuinely there to help them and take care of them. So I don't think anything like that happens just naturally right there has to be a trust to a two-way trust there and I think that's why it went as an important part of the culture that I want to have is you know, we have I want an open line of communication between my athletes. and I want them to have ownership in what they do, you know I asked for input from them on a lot of things but I one thing that any one of the kids at play for me one thing that they will know is that I care about them and and that's that's something that they can walk away from our program knowing that there's somebody who's always in their corner and I honestly, you know people don't care how much How much you know until they know how much care and you have to that was kind of you know, right when I got here what I had what I had to tell the show them is you know, I genuinely care about all of you more than whatever statistic you could put on a on a website for me. Okay, and because we kind of got that trust early I was able to be very hard on them when it came to you know, practice and and stuff like that and You have that you have that level of trust and you can push them and they understand that whenever you're telling them you have those Frank conversations like this isn't good enough right now. Okay, I respect that have to have those. Yeah, you know the mean and and I think that's a hard thing for a lot of people to come into, you know at the college level. They're not really told that a lot because most likely they were the best player on their team, right and they were always the person that you know needed the Baton their hand with the two outs in the game was on the line. Well, you come in to a college program everybody's that person and you're you're not always going to get playing time right away. So you have to find you have to be able to have those conversations in a way that you know, they they trust and understand that you want the best for them. And so the reason that you're saying this isn't because you don't like them, you know what I mean? It's ultimately so that you can get all 100% out of them and I will help the troll isn't right and you help them Reach Whatever they're able to I think that's gold information for the coaches there listening. No doubt, you know, we think about mechanics we think about how we're going to plan our practice, you know, one thing and I would say most coaches would say I care about my kids. I think the big question is do they do they know? What's it look like what's our good? Yeah specifically how yeah and write it down for yourself. You want to show time baby. Just just if you if you say that then right tell yourself how how that is true right by answering specifically how what does it look like? Yeah, speaking of people who are listening. We find that we have a lot of people listening to our podcast in the short time. That's been a out public that have children who are playing Youth Sports and it's been a variety hasn't I mean we've had baseball but we've also had softball volleyball football. Yeah, and we're receiving comments from from These different folks and request to talk about things of course recruiting is one of the big ones and what we're going to get into that but one of the big topics that we've been talking about is the issue of Player Development and we actually spent about six episodes outlining our vision for a particularly a baseball player development program that would replace the current structure of what is recreational ball or travel ball and it's a long play. It's a long commute. It would take a while to do but we just were just we get excited about it that about thinking about and the reason why we get excited about it is because as we look at the landscape of Youth Baseball particularly, we're talking about travel ball and and then you have recreational which is a different animal but we're seeing a greater emphasis placed on things that we don't think is helpful. For example, a greater emphasis placed on playing a lot of games because one that's what the kids want. I think it's also what the parents want. But but and we also have talked about we also kind of think it's what the coaches prefer because perhaps practice is hard. I mean practices coaches day. I mean you got to learn how you got to know how to run a good practice how to make it fun how to make it competitive. And so it's just easier to make out a lineup and want to coach during games and games are games are if you know, if you're talking about fun that mean yeah there they are more funding games are games are more fun than practice. Yeah, but typically typically yeah, depending on what side of that you get your all but one of the things that we'd be interested in you and hearing your perspective on is in the world of softball. We're curious to know from a softball perspective. You have you noticed any particular weaknesses or I guess the way that you would notice this would be players coming into your programs, you know as not just here at OU but as long as you've been a college coach, have you noticed any particular weaknesses or Since he's in your incoming freshmen something that maybe is just Universal across all athletes that maybe you feel like they should have developed or you wish they would have developed more in their travel ball years or their high school years. Is there something that could be done better when they're in those development ages. That would really help you as a college coach. Yeah. I mean there's a there's a few things honestly, you know from deficiency lies, you know, like you said practice. It is hard and a lot of the time we're not practicing a lot. What are we doing? We're probably going out and we're getting on a tee and doing something like that. Well deficiency defensively is what I have seen, you know, it's there's a huge emphasis on hitting right now, which I mean don't get me wrong. I love hitting that's part. It's it's an exciting part of our game. It's become a bigger part of the softball game. Absolutely a lot of Thumpers. Absolutely. Well, I mean, you know with what the amount of emphasis has been placed on hitting the fact that like you said, I mean ultimately you can do it by yourself and practice it but there's construction right Force instructors have an easier time doing hitting probably feeling right but defense would be a huge deficient deficiency that I've seen at least and I mean even even at the college level there, you know, you can tell there are some programs who you know, they can smash but they can't make it past or into postseason our past postseason because I can't catch and throw and you know, it's like okay, I understand like yeah, if you hit one home run it might give you four runs. But if you make three errors in an inning, it might give up seven. So, you know, it's a balance and that's something that that I have seen a deficiency in as far as you know, just a split-second decision making there. Sure what to do and there they don't know and so that's something you know that for us. It's you know, we do what we do a ton of defensive reps because I don't you know, you can't second-guess a split-second decision. That's the whole point, you know, so being sure and Takin taking a good amount of reps defensively and it's a big surprise for a lot of people whenever whenever they get to us and I would say on the other on the same, you know, same kind of side of that the the injuries He's that you see because of you know, throwing and things like that. Yeah, you see more of that coming in especially early cuz they're not used to the volume right there. They might have only been playing softball for the last, you know, four or five years and you know, I love multi-sport athletes when kids say, you know, while okay. Now I'm committed. Should I stop playing basketball? I'm like no. Sport. Yes, if you look at some of the best college football teams in America, they the majority of a multi-sport athlete exactly what you're for and there's a reason for that, you know, they are out of the training room more often than the people who aren't and they can they are just overall more athletic and there's there's something to be said about that. I think that for whatever reason you know, it's I don't know probably 10 years ago. There was this kind of I don't know the thorn myth is the right word, but it was like you should specialize hi why and now you've got into college and you can only play one position. You're only good at doing one thing while the person that's over here and good at six is going to pass you up really easily. And that's how yeah, I tell you another another huge component of this or huge variable in this is I think they're mentally weaker when they specialize If they're not competing in some way, I mean that's where you know, if you're specializing you better find a way to compete in the same way and have the pressure put on you in the same way that you would if you were in January at the free throw line with the game tied and no time left on the clock and you get an opportunity to win the game for your team and the crowds going crazy. You know that that to me is a girl who has to do that is probably going to be a little more relaxed on the box in the batter's box. Absolutely, you know in the championship game then someone who was in the weight room or hitting balls off a tee or going to see a personal instructor during January, right? Not only that but they're in most cases in that scenario that you're talking about those those specialized athletes if they would give play a different sport. They're playing a sport that they're weaker. And so there are behind the curve in that's a good new. They've got to focus more they struggle more when they step back onto the field or the court of their specialized sport you say it just comes more natural dealing with slope failure. Yeah. Our sport is one of the only ones that fails is often, you know, and that's the thing is whenever you're looking at other sports and the stats the stat lines on those like you don't you don't see the amount of failure on those and so it takes a special person to be able to play a baton balls for it. Honestly, you have to you have to be okay with sitting on the bench after an at-bat. That was maybe good and maybe even you square up a ball you smash it goes right to someone. What can you do? You got to go sit down in the bed? Each year on everyone else know that that girl feels bad about lace in a line drive to left field and the girl makes a diving catch but the next one gets up and hits a little squib. Ler that makes it been the five and a half hole and Angie beats it out to first base and and it looks like looks great on her average. I always say baseball or softball these two games. They will humble you hmm some point. They're gonna help believe this. Yeah, I wasn't good. Are you re transition in there to a different point? I wasn't I was going to talk about some other things. I like I want to go back to something that you said when you were Talking about the one of the deficiencies being defense and particularly one of the deficiencies being the Instinct having the instinct to make the the correct place where I was going. I wonder and I want to ask you if you think this is true. I wonder if some of that has to do with the fact that they've never had to make that decision because they have coaches and people yelling outward. Absolutely that you know, they're running bases and they're being told to look at the third-base coach before they do anything instead of making those instinctive athletic decisions. Absolutely drives me crazy this yeah. Well because I mean you go to any you know any softball game or baseball game? I'm sure and the coaches in the Dugout saying all right, you got runner here. Make sure if you're in the Outfield or throw it here if you're in the NFL go here. If you do this do that, you know what I mean? And it's just I mean you're creating people who are relying on you and and then something that you don't have time. You don't have time to scream at them for everything they're supposed to do they need to remember with it. Yeah, right and then I mean There's no ownership in that. Yeah, you know what? I mean? And that's what that's what you have to you have to have ownership. You know, you have to be able as a player to say that my fault as a coach you have to be able to say hey my fault, you know, but there's no ownership and me telling you what to do every five seconds. You have to you have to you have to make those decisions on your own. Yeah. I was really surprised but really happy to hear you say that because I think the argument some people would make is that the more game You play the more apt you are to be able to make those instinctive decisions, but we're hearing right now that that's not necessarily the case. You know, we're talking about the students that are playing a lot of games a different reason why they can't make those decisions and doesn't necessarily have to do with how many games are playing. Exactly. Exactly. I think we're honestly, you know, not the not the to to horn but we're making a an argument for unstructured free play and the need for our kids that get out and to play, you know, baseball and softball and and and different sports with their friends. and and figure that those kinds of things out on their own because they don't have anyone to rely on those situations, you know, so yeah, we've talked about creating a part as part of the structure in a player development program actually having like say sometime some plan time of practices where the see if you have a two-hour practice and you've got your youth teams all over the ballpark your first hour might be your instructing a you know, a skill and then in your drilling it out, you know, and you're in Really helping them with some particular fundamental and then the next hour you say okay, we're going to create two teams out of out of this group of kids are having me teams. You've got you need to make to fill out the the defensive field and we're going to let you play because kids just aren't going out and doing this on their own anymore. We're going to let you play parents coaches get over on the sidelines. And only thing you got to do is Cheer. You can't you can't coach them up at all. We gotta make them make decisions. And so when they're running around the bases that got to figure they got to figure out the ball. As in front of me. Yeah, I can I can make my own decision there, you know, or if they have a teammate gone coach the bags or whatever ordering while on offense, but on defense, you got to make all the decisions yourself. I just there's so much that they could learn if they just weren't being so over-coached right now. I agree. I mean I'd there is there is incredible value in letting an athlete figure out on their own how to do things is it Straining for them. Yeah, but I mean you're preparing them. Yeah, you know, yeah, the game's not the game's not built to make you feel warm and fuzzy. You know, it's just that it's a game of failure. Yeah, so when you're figuring it out, sometimes you're going to make the wrong decision and that's fine. As long as you learn from it right as listening to Brian King podcast the other day and he said that every play. It's talking about baseball. It's a mental strength coach every play has bad and good everything. You do during a play in a game bad and good just how you respond to that. Right, you know, even if even if the results good the process might have been bad. Yeah process could have been good. The result could be bad and there's a bunch of little pieces in between. Those are good you fail a little bit and everything you do because you you were to Camp a Brian Quintanilla, Florida. Yeah, that's where state Love Rocket coach could you tell us where you focus the majority of your efforts in recruiting the recruiting process maybe give us an idea of the percentage or you know, what that you spend more time on between things like travel tournaments showcases on campus Prospect camps high school games or anything else that you might spend your time on the recruiting process will prosper. Yeah. I think you know, the majority of our efforts are spent at tournaments we Our with with the way that travel softball has, you know, just kind of really blown up. I'm able to go in a weekend and evaluate 500 athletes. And so it's I mean more cost-efficient more time efficient any of those things to go do that, you know while I'm at a tournament if I identify an athlete that I like, I'm gonna invite them to a camp you're on your own. Right - yeah, so and I do that basically, okay. I like what I've seen so far. Are you going to are you gonna fit into what our what our process is? You know what I mean? And that's there are there are kids that you have to say no to because you just don't fit our mold and that's okay doesn't mean you're not a good player just means that you're not this isn't going to this is going to be a good fit for you or me. Yeah, so find you find you a place where you can where you can have that. That's where that's where you know the prospect type camps. That's where yeah, you learn if they're going to fit your mold. They're gonna jive with your coaching style. You know, I have a staff all of us are right around the same age or 30 years old and were real laid-back. Yeah, 30 years old. We're real laid-back group, you know where we laugh and we joke, but when were in the lines, It's business and you know, not every not every person fits every single mold. So it's just that's kind of where you where you get to know them a little bit. So I would say that that's a very important part of the recruiting process for me. I'm not going to offer a kid not unless it's a picture that strikes out 21 a game without having them come. Yeah, you know come and see me and especially kind of Too, right? Yeah Cody's school that they really want to go to as well. And that's the thing too is, you know, a lot of you know, I tell every recruit that comes on on to my campus is this has got to be a place where if the softball team was not here. The coaching staff was not here. Can you be happy? Yeah because anything can happen. I mean you've seen medical DQ's, you know, whatever the reason is and can you be happy here? Is this a place that you that you love? And exact words of my son Brock had we had them on two episodes ago three years ago. And and that's we asked him a similar question from the from the student-athlete perspective and he said he asked himself that same question. Yeah, it's important and when you have when you have that, okay, it's you don't really get that grass is greener syndrome, you know what I mean? Right because and you know with the with the transfer portal come in going Live this past fall you kind of saw that and some places It didn't work out for everybody that went on that portal either, you know, and there was there was people that absolutely it helped but you know, you got to find the right fit and I think you know, we had gone into that early recruiting we had been committing kids who are 14 years old and you know, 14 year old, you know, it's an eighth grader, isn't it? Yeah, eighth or ninth but my 14 year old self would not have been able. Well to decide what I want to do collegiately, but haven't they in the last two or three years adjusted that rule or change the road where you're no longer allowed to its last year committee? Yeah, it's only it actually changed September 1st of last year. Yeah your first time. Yeah, so that went into effect and honestly, it's a it's a good thing because you know I just I don't I don't think that's somebody who's 14 years old needs to be making that kind of decision. I couldn't imagine, you know having College coaches call me when I'm 14. Yeah asking me to come on campus and then asking me to commit to something and then ultimately to as a college coach. I'm your recruiting them longer than they're playing for you. Yeah, and it's just kind of like What are we doing? Right, you know what I mean? And it's just so it was it was good to kind of just like pump the brakes on that a little bit. You know, you've seen it helped a lot of people it's giving us a little bit of extra time to evaluate. Yeah, which has been good. But yeah, it's only been it's been a relatively new change, but I think it in a long run. It's gonna be really great. Yeah great first and so the change specifically Is prior to last year September 1 last year, you're allowed to offer scholarships a a spot on the team to a player as young as you wanted to pretty much. Yeah, but you're no longer allowed to make that offer until win. So right now it's not even so you can you can make an offer. Okay after September one of their junior year, okay prior to that you cannot have any Recruiting conversation. Yeah, so that's basically the same as baseball is it but yeah, that's that's that's that is so they just basically have said that's it's odd that it was that way it was different for softball. Maybe it's that maybe it's different for every sport. I don't know it is and they've gone to a more. Universal type deal over the last little bit but yeah, okay. Yeah. It's definitely you want to look into it depending on because they have Olympic sports and then they have non-olympic sports. And so the rules are different. Yeah, you know. Oh, yeah the NCAA that mean that the NCAA compliance book is only like that 36 inches thick or so, right? So what do you I mean as you're looking at these recruits, you know, and you're seeing it. In a tournament and you start to make some mental notes on a player or start a card on somebody or something. What are you looking for? What are some of the most important factors you're looking for in a young student athlete athleticism. Obviously, you know, I look for kids who? Who could make athletic moves there, you know, you can watch some athletes play and you're like it's getting it done. But is it not it's not being done in a way. That's very I don't know the word refined, you know, I mean some of and I'm not saying everything needs to look like a cookie cutter because I don't agree with that at all. I think we're all very different and that's one of the best things about you know, our sport is that you see on the same team a kid who's 5? And can run down the line, you know really fast in the you see on that safety my kid who's six two and just hits bombs or you know, her job is totally different. So it takes All Kinds of Kinds but you know, I'm looking for production. Yeah, that's a big one. I you know my job, isn't it? I have to win and rice, you know, that's probably the most understated thing that I've said today, but Production is important and then grit I I love watching kids who have just a little bit of just grit to him nose to him. Yeah, and I yeah, I just I feel like those kids whenever it's like the goings get and rough you just you look at them and they find ways but that's a that's a big thing for me is Tough kids. Yeah, and then you got to be tough. I you know, we talked about being mentally strong and our practices are hard. They're built to be mentally mentally draining. Yeah, and you know, we talked every every day. We have one of our groups either, you know outfielder and field they'll come early and we rep them out for an hour and it is just go Go go go go go go for we do a lot of artists softball type conditioning as well. And then once that's done that's will bring the team everybody's together. And then that's when I really challenge them mentally. So now they're exhausted. Yeah, but I don't care because practice is starting to get a little challenge, right? So, you know it you have to be mentally tough to make it make it through what we're doing and you have to be mentally tough to be held up to a very high standard. Yeah. So I like seeing kids who play for tough coaches because I'm like they can play for us. You know. Sure. Yeah sure. You know when you when you talk about kids that have an overall athleticism to them and getting things done. In a number of different ways possibly because they just are not there. They're athletic. They've worked on their athleticism at once almost there. Naturally athletic. Yeah, people are naturally athletic but it's also a skill athleticism is something that you can build as well, but I wonder if sometimes the you know, I see this I see this in baseball as well if when you see a kid play it's hard to Define sometimes a difference between a really athletic kid and a kid who is super skilled because they mechanically have have done everything, you know the right way or that, you know, they've got they've had a personal instruction for every personal instructor for everything that they do and so they have that Actually like you look at a kidney like man, that swing is perfect, but then I get in the box and they can't hit a lick right now. They can't they can't compete in the batter's box. But man they're caged rats. They can they can they hit cage bombs like crazy. And I wonder if sometimes they can become overly mechanical or I don't know just over over-coached maybe after Alice's by analysis. Yeah and one of the things you know I've literally I've found a place for a kid. I was at a tournament and I saw this kid and you could you could tell it was on her own she delay steal from first to second. Two pitches later. She delays sealed from second to Third and she's just watching the pitcher not paying attention. She was kind of pouting because she wasn't doing great. And those are the kids and I'm like I want that kid. Yeah my team because she's like I'm gonna take advantage of this, you know, and she's finding a way to to get 60 feet closer. And that's a we talked about we talked about 60 feet all the time in our program and how important 60 feet is to us and You know from a defensive standpoint keeping them 60 feet further away and from an offensive standpoint stealing every 60 feet. We can yeah, so, you know stuff like that and like for me I let us assume that that comes a little bit in that as well like you you can tell this kid probably played, you know softball or baseball in her yard with her friends because you know, she's like just making these she's making these decisions on her own and she's competitive and she's She's trying to find a way to get a run across and me and as somebody who needs more runs and I mean, I'll take all the runs. I don't yes. I appreciate that. So need base runners and you need runs think you have to supplement different types of approaches at different times. I'm aware of that because I've done working with my kids. I've noticed at times trying to correct one issue. They become a little bit more. I'd say robotic ya bollix a good word for hand, you know, there's been times where I've just said, you know, what just forget everything that we've been talking about. I just want you to swing hard here or you know, just right, you know, you know just focus on something else and yeah because I've noticed that the instead of taking a step forward they're actually taking a step back. So, you know, I think over coaching is definitely a thing so for sure. Related to I think athleticism is how important is strength training and strength and agility training to your program to your program now and then how soon do you think when should girls begin doing it I think that is different for every female, you know. The weight room is something that should enhance your game and I think that you know a long time ago. That was how much weight can we put on this person and how can how much how much bigger can we get? I don't necessarily look for bigger. I look for faster. So some of the best hitters that I've In haven't been the biggest kid. They've had the fastest hands so they were able to let the ball travel deeper. Yeah, make good decisions, you know and they were explosive explosive and and so for me, that's what that's what I look for. Obviously a lot of what we do is, you know, it's inner core and so we do a bunch of core workouts all of our positions pictures everybody. I mean, you know that's important and how we can get those muscles. he's too because we're a short burst energy sport you know it's not it's not like we're running back and forth constantly is called Leisure Sport and that's what it is and even as a pitcher who has the ball every single time the pitching motion last you know .1 something seconds okay so by the time a seven inning game happens they've really only been at work for about four minutes and when you think about it like that you're like okay well okay so how do I get those short bursts Energy number one to stay consistent Stitch over seven Innings, right? And then how do we train those muscles to fire like that? So that's what that's what we work on is, you know, a lot of the short bursts energy explosive type movements, you know, we've really gone away. I think the majority of people in our sport have gone away from long distance and things like that. So we found that it was actually slowing our athletes down and it was not helpful. So I mean I would say if you could do some of the best stuff you can do is just short short bursts prints like a 5 yard Sprint and 100% You're going a hundred percent for five yards that kind of stuff because that is ultimately what we're doing. Yeah, it's very functional. Right? So the game, yeah, exactly and you know as far as one to start that it just I think it depends on yeah because you know puberty is a very funny thing. So yeah it is and you I don't want to hurt right. I think it's it's just kind of depends on who it is. Yeah. I wouldn't start them very early though. Not with anything any kind of way. Yeah, they could run your body weight. I can do that pretty much from whatever they could start walking and we've talked about before that. We think that that's something that you know, the kids in this day are missing most because you know, they just a natural exercise. Yeah, they don't they don't get out. They're not playing tag with their friends and you know, having water gun fights across the neighborhood and you know, things like that and say they're not running and they're not jumping and you know doing these different things I have. One of them have a nine-year-old son Jeremiah and he had a friend over during the summer. I've been doing some CrossFit training. I haven't been a month or so, but or yeah, I'm going to get back to it. They but I was you know, I was feeling good about myself and I was like, I'm getting in shape. I feel good and we were out playing with football and it was late and you know, it was dark and the grass was wet. And this is the house that I grew up in the yard that I grew up and I played, you know a thousand Wiffle Ball games in this yard and I came I'm running around third base and went to stop and just slipped and fell on my butt. It hurts so bad, but as I was in the air, I think I began to think I was as I was floating that I'm not I feel like I'm in better shape, but I must not be in very functional shit. You know, I mean because I don't I wasn't able to stop. Yeah. No, I don't I did. I haven't been doing any workouts that prepared me to stop on this wet grass which would basically a court, you know core strength. But it's important. It's important to get out and do those things for our kids and a lot of times they don't have the opportunity to so if we're you know, we don't have to weight train them, right but, you know body weight training and things like that very good. I mean sometimes literally our conditioning would be Sharks and Minnows like you're a shark. You're Richard. You're a shark. All right go and so they're like moving around but it's short bursts energy because act like I'm a shark. I'm gonna run after you. Okay now one shark now. I'm gonna run after you this is this is in your college practice. Okay, so playing a game of football in your tin. You practice doesn't sound so bad. Does it their plan tag up here in their college? Right? Exactly. It's fun. It's good sits in his life. Helpful. Yeah. Yeah, it's you don't even you don't even realize that you're doing something. That's my little to your sport plus. It's competitive right? I always tell I tell all heck. Yeah with every single one of my kids. I'm competitive like to a fault if you could if you challenge You to a spitting contest. I'm going to beat you. I don't care. If you're the fastest runner on our team. I'll challenge you to a race and I'll find a way to win if that means that right you get tripped or what I don't care. That's right. But you're going to you're going to have to figure out how to beat me. And so yeah, you know tag is like, oh, you know that doesn't sound like very, you know, whatever but it's functional is competitive and I mean honestly Quick Cuts It's fun. Yeah, and before the game, right and at least in a softball and baseball setting the Umpire says play ball. Work by yeah. Yeah, and so we have to remember that sometimes you know, this is this this is a game that brings a joy to I mean ultimately you hope that's why they're there, you know what I mean? So, how can we how can we cultivate that in different ways, you know, and maybe it's not doing a bat and ball specific thing, but we can cultivate that Joy doing other things, you know, something simple like playing tag. Yeah, I can see how you'd have. To be intentional about that in a college atmosphere because it is a lot of work, you know the older you get that, you know, the more the game becomes important to you to win and in order to be a winner and it you have to work and so you got to be intentional about keeping it keeping it fun keeping it a game, right? Yeah. I think that you know from a you know, I'll just say from a tournament perspective or a number of games perspective. That's I think that's a that's a good argument point because the more games that kid plays the less of a Just seems to be you know, we're like you said we talked about Coach, but the more fulfilled they become of playing those games. So it's not as important. So, you know, we need to use our practices and and and we need to use our approach to the game to make these games importance important to kids so that they do there. It's a fun game, you know, I would I would say based on, you know, listening to the description of your practices. We ask your players, you know, what they enjoyed or when they have their most Joy. They're probably going to say they in the games. They're having their have a lot of joy, you know, so that's a good thing. Yeah, it is cool. Had a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, we did we got we got to ask one last thing though to every every guest that comes we have to ask this question, but I think I agree with you. So I'll ask it. All right, you got it coach. What is your favorite memory from your days of playing youth sports? A favorite memory, I guess I can make your nails sure. Yeah, I mean, you know going through. Going back to like high school. I had a really great experience. Like I said in high school. I had a really competitive high school team the majority of us all played travel softball and the majority of us went and played college softball. So that was a fun experience. And that was honestly the first time that you get to play for something, you know what I mean to you play for you play travel ball and you're going out and you're trying to get the recruiting thing done and you play for your school and it's the first time that you play representing. Something that's way bigger than that, you know to mean and I think that that was a big a big thing for me whenever I kind of got into that. I would say, you know collegiately going to the World Series. I mean, that's a that's a memory. I'll never forget and it's something that I'm extremely proud of and yeah, I mean the best things in the world at least for me like Athletics or the connections and you know, the people that I am still in touch with I'm still I grew my network by being in in athletics. And you know, I have I touched different parts of the United States because of that and different parts of the world even and and that's that's just really cool to me. How you have been able to do that? Yeah back to relationships we started with relationships and finished with it. That's that's good stuff. That's and that's you know, that's what one of the things that Sports does. Is it is it is it it helps you build current relationships and helps you make new ones man. It's it's it's going to be really good for us to share this episode with the people who are listening because one we need that we need the diversity of other sports and And especially men Sports women sports and we already have that on our listenership. And we and you have just given us a wealth of information to be able to share with people. But is there anything that maybe we didn't talk about that you have that you have that you'd like to to conclude with or anything that you would like to add. You know, I think something some advice to parents and remember that their coach is there to criticize them that's what that's what you're putting them on a team to do and ultimately most of the time those coaches are not I mean, especially at the Youth Level, they're not being paid their volunteering their time. So when you speak to your when you speak to your athlete about their coaches, you know, remember number one. This is not their full-time job most of the time, okay. speak about them and kindness and you know, even if maybe you don't agree with everything that they do your first job whenever they get into a car after the game is I really enjoyed watching you play today, and you know, some of some of the best memories are in the car on the way home with your parents after these games and not everybody gets that and that I genuinely hate that when I hear that and so I always encourage you Or your first statement to your kids is I really enjoyed watching you play today. It just means a lot and and they don't they don't they already know what they did wrong sure. They had a coach on their field telling them everything they did wrong. Yeah, they don't need to go over it, you know over and over again and most kids especially the really competitive ones. They're already beating themselves up for it. They're mad. They want to be better. They want to be better and Just being able to get in the car and in here that is if it's nice, that's great stuff coach, really appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you guys having me. Just being able to get in the car and in here that is if it's nice, that's great stuff coach, really appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you guys having me.

In the studio for Episode 11 is Kenzie Roark, head softball coach for the Ohio University Bobcats. At the time of this recording, Coach Roark is in her second season as Head Softball Coach for the Ohio University Bobcats. In her first season, she put up a very impressive record of 34-21 (12-8 in the Mid American Conference), and entered the MAC post-season tournament as the 3 seed and went on to win their first three games, putting them in winner’s bracket for the Championship game, but Toledo was able to win two in a row and end the Cats season. Coach Roark has been a Division-I College athlete, playing four years at Virginia Tech, where she became one of the all-time great pitchers in Virginia Tech history. She was the ace of the Hokies’ pitching staff for three of her four years at Virginia Tech and was an Atlantic Coast Conference All-Tournament and Player of the Week selection during her career. She began her coaching career as a student-assistant at Virginia Tech, and went on to be the pitching coach at East Tennessee State, and then invested 4 great years at University of South Carolina Upstate—a powerhouse in the Atlantic Sun Conference—as the pitching coach there (which, by the way, the Spartans had three 40-win seasons during her time with the team). In 2018, Ohio University was very fortunate to hire Coach Roark as Head Coach, and it is our great pleasure to welcome Coach Kenzie Roark to The Coaching Life Podcast. We discuss standards and expectations for college athletes, recruiting, and of course player development and how we as parents and coaches of young softball players can support them along the way to reaching their goals. _____________ Be sure to SUBSCRIBE and SHARE the show with others. You can do so through social media, word of mouth, or whatever means possible. And, if you would be so kind as to leave a review in whatever podcast app you use, that would be wonderful, and it will help us to be able to get the show out to as many listeners as possible!

And I can't remember what to do. It's very hard. Isn't it? Become Williams doesn't know otherwise, you don't know what the hell's going on. This is wrong.Rolla is the best of defining it looks like spaceships and everything, but you have to know not even a hangover from the spaceships a hangover from the days of TV serialization is like Flash Gordon. Well, I really don't get to the Imperial Market. Star Wars the rise of Skywalker. This is a fully spoiler review fully spoiler. Well, good luck with everything going on from saying everything but we understood everything that we inferred and everything that was done said and revealed in this the ninth and Final. Final episodes of watching stop watching now. If you don't want to know what happens in this film, so it has to be the last one in the Luke Skywalker Saga. This is what a lot of people who aren't Star Wars fans aren't getting it is the end of the nine film run because George Lucas only ever envisaged Skywalker Saga as nine films now, whether that's the end of all these characters whether we'll see any of them again with a person there's an ID as Maddie said as we walked out, is it ever really the end of anything? A very good point and and that's the sort of true Jedi speaking there. What is this? It's also just life generally. Yeah, and also, I mean given the remarkable capacity of most Dead character members of the Star Wars franchise to constantly re-emerge as a hologram in some form. Yes. There's never a death really is that would take Carrie Fisher freaks take Carrie Fisher. So anyway, so this is the last one obviously, this is the third one of the most recent reboot since its belong to Disney first one the force. Things will start but JJ Abrams second one The Last Jedi directed by Rian Johnson. And this one again. JJ Abrams returns for this one. You know, this is quite kind of a symbolic moment for someone of my generation my age because this is the end of the Skywalker. So again, that's why it's very very important to us. And we look we look down down on people who sort of don't understand them the final detail that said that said, I'm not going into this so blind with such rose-tinted glasses that it can't do wrong. Okay, because the last Jedi for me was an absolute crock of disappointment the force awakens. I did like weirdly with the Pierre Part passage of time. I wonder whether the force awakens has got weaker. The more one looks back at it and you think actually just like the retailing the first-ever Star Wars will ever beat the first original Star Wars films because you can never create recreate that first moment and also you can never recreate The Innovation that was a requirement of not having just loads and loads of money and knowing it was a success they I was going to be a success so it had to be inventive. Yeah, everything subsequent of that has been trying to recreate that's what it's really cool so bad, especially absolutely absolutely nothing for all those kids there today. He wouldn't know the original. Yep. They will totally take and what we'll talk about that and that's what this most recent Trilogy is have to do is try to do something very very difficult. And I think you have to acknowledge how difficult the task in hand is they're trying to appeal to my generation that has all of these characters from the past and wants them to carry on and they stay there. Narrative arcs to kind of complete and finish their appealing to Kiki and Maddie's generation trying to give them new characters, which is the thinking behind Finn and Rey and kylo Ren and and then what unless it really so the transfer your kind of you, but you'd be great with me you be grateful that I did not understand a single thing about the Sith. Is and Darth Maul and what kind of shit I needed to know Darkseid and all that kind of malarkey. So yes, you've got the Sith. You've got the Jedi and you've got there in the war to the good and the bad the dark and the light the positive the negative the yin and the Yang angle is the hotel. So yeah, I mean really all you need to know and I think they did a very good job actually for simpletons coming into this you just get to know cities even well exactly. So what more tonight? It was a big plot floor there there but we'll come to that. This is Eve. I came into this film with Luke Skywalker dead and solo did principal weirdly Princess Leia are alive with Carrie Fisher dead. So the old gang were kind of weren't there and if they were there they weren't really there no and yet they were all there. Oh, yeah, you know, it was a bit of a head. We are in fuck really that disappointed not despond you're going in but You so I was incredibly excited. This is a big build-up to saying how were we going in. I went in really nervous. So yeah, I went in really nervous. I tried to go with a completely blank - I don't want to be too excited. I don't want to expect something bad just don't want to think about it at all into those. None of this is to be honest until it started. I didn't really think about the fact that we were going to see the last right? Yeah goes weirdly the what did you all do you feel I thought you were I thought you were both are in a way to prop me up if I fell apart. Well, yeah because don't we all knew deep down that Dad was beyond? Yes. I did. Yeah, it was already too high before of course was but I got teary-eyed in the force awakens when Han Solo was killed. Of course, I got I cried with anger when Luke Skywalker disappeared with nothing other than a fart. So and dramatic, so I went into this plant. The only the only thing that made me feel hopeful about this was JJ Abrams be involved and for me he and in fact that most people have said that he's kind of safe recovered Star Wars. Well, he recovered the first one but a lot of people are very down on his original film saying it was too derivative. It basically re told the same story as the same. No, but I mean everybody send this film has just come out his saved. Well the covered from thinking about how bad the Last Jedi. Yeah. As much as he can his trouble that yet. They're not necessarily saying that and that's the problem where we're at as we sit here today with the phone having only been released 24 hours across the globe. It's sitting with a Rotten Tomatoes a 58% and it's great is rating and it's tracking as the second worst critically received Star Wars film. We're not going to let that inform what we say second to worst Star Wars film received since the phantom menace. I mean, it's a it's so low. It's ridiculous, but we Know how Rotten Tomatoes can be off of being because Joker's at 64% exactly know that was no sort of meaning but people are saying that this is JJ Abrams attempt to really rescue what many fell was a going off Route that with the Last Jedi so that this is an apologists film. This is this is kind of JJ and Disney saying sorry guys, we kind of lost the roadmap also trying to steer ourselves back into the right direction. A lot of critics have been describing this one as in the first 40 minutes being absolutely Ram packed with a lot of plot Exposition describing getting us to places when this started. I got a little bit I felt like I was being repeatedly punched in the face. It was going a heck of a speech that was good for me. I'm no good on the names and the dentist is and all the stuff that you love so much and what no, no, I would like to correct you I'm not interested in that and this is where it has a Star Wars fan. I'm not interested in the names and the dynasties in the connections and the era's and the Sith. I'm More interested in the believability of the world. Oh, yeah. Yeah the fact that it took it so fast now that I could judge just simply what was happening on screen right and think oh JJ Abrams, will they explain all this to me later on in the phone? I could just get into what was happening and being as a lot of that involved Adam Driver, let's face it, you know pretty damn good when he's running it going into it is that if there was an element of this film you were most excited about what would it be Adam Adam Driver when you don't like you're not a fan of Daisy I'm not mean I'll give it like it's a big big role to be playing a big deal to be getting the world backwards. And yeah, I mean I know very well because I had to play liar and His Dark Materials how hard it is to play quite an annoying a character. It's not that dissimilar part. Yeah. So in no way am I am I saying anything about her performance is really good. I just feel like her cat. There's something about a character. Yeah, but I just I don't know. It really annoys me but I felt their Character suddenly seemed like she could do everything. I want in this film. She suddenly seemed like she could do everything apart me was just like, why do you let Bray do this all by herself? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Was it taking you this but I tell you what, I thought I'd missed I'd missed that whole section that you got in the first ever Trilogy, which was Luke with the odor in the swamp getting his skill and crafts. Yeah, they can't yeah actually for me go back to what is it about Star Wars. I like it's the blue. None of us believe but it's the believability within it's unbelievable. It's a light and I think all of the original films did a really good job right down to Jabba the Hutt and all that nonsense of making you feel you were really in this fictional world and I felt you're absolutely right. I felt this film we started with all the characters to ready to go. Well, that's what I mean. Like, I agree with you with the original like The Originals if you were to just look at some of the characters and some of the the stuff that goes on in the Stars fans have been built you be like this is absolutely doing this makes no sense to is surreal. Yeah everything but what's so good about the original style sponsors that they make something so unrealistic and something you would usually don't like what the hell? Yeah, I make you believe that it's real money into it that they are actually living in this world and I don't know something about this film that just didn't make me feel any of that at all. I just kind of sat there whenever there was like an animatronic. I knew it was animatronic just felt like it's purposely about Animatronic that they had so that they could reference the early first the only films but the earlier films that's not what they did. No. No, you're right bad and animatronics, but you believe they were real I know exactly what you mean. Is it even a Dark Crystal Netflix managed to do that best? Yes. It's true. It can be done. I mean, I know what you mean. It's like what I felt they were trying to do in this film was recreate the not having all the solutions as to how to do it of the first-ever film. Yeah whilst having all the Solutions exactly, one of the things that storm has never been as particularly well scripted and this kind of curious as something can be the successful. Yeah, when it isn't that well scripted is pretty Laden is pretty obvious. It's pretty that's why you know who the dark like the. Side the dark side the light, you know and all that kind of stuff only personally quite quickly thought this was one of the worst written of all of them to Creek including gonna tell you why including the prequels because with the Prequels it kind of It kind of still have that thing that the original films had which was that sort of plummy ridiculousness of my Saturday morning television. This is just badly written without being Camp. Yeah, but I really think about it. I can't even remember any of the dialogue know this is pointless from the toilet. The dollar was simply explain. I mean I got worried for you who cooks at one but only because you're the youngest and I suppose you haven't been old enough to sort of really get embedded with all the characters. I was thinking I'll go. Once again. We're dealing with little bits of kit that they're chasing around the world and they're trying to find it here and they're explaining why they're going to you know, I mean there was a time where I've been very excited by this world and that world but they had they've got to a point now where they've got so many worlds. Yeah, but that specialness of when The Empire Strikes Back at but yeah, it was like, yeah over in a snow snow Planet. Yeah. Hell yeah dramatic about that and I think in a weird way what I'm trying to say is quite quickly something began to Hit me with this film and I realized Star Wars can't do what Star Wars did ever again. It can be can't relive that and so it's trying to become and it doesn't know what to do with it. So and I felt it became a film that was trying to correct a wrong in The Last Jedi and then I even began to think quite quickly on was rien Johnson Ryan Johnson trying to do something clever with the Last Jedi the perhaps. None of us really quite light because it wasn't Star Wars. He was trying to take it in. In a completely new Direction because you can't keep trying to do the old thing. So come on. What do you think of that them? Um sure agree about the script and usually that's very important to me but it didn't matter at all in this because so did you know what was happening? Yes. I'm just each set piece of like you say that as I've said before and it's happens right from the get-go. I mean the daisy Ridley thing that that got me it wasn't the same thing as you was that I thought she was fine, but character was so flattering about would she Don't you wish she wouldn't see from the word go again to hide like a script I think but you said nothing. That's all those were the only bits where the camera was on her face. And she am I going to do this or anti and then the Hulk Adam Driver thing. Does she learn donkey and easy, but you said, you know, you said that the it being a bad script as a matter. I think it really does. Well. It's like I never usually say that but in this house so keeping up with it. Yeah, but you could say that just needed good script. Action that the action it gets to say me sometimes like yeah, I don't remember. I'm sick to death of just seeing little cars fly at hover above the ground and the shoe. Yeah. I keep missing each other. Do not mean yeah. Yes Dom troops Storm Troopers. Never never never hit their target. Well, I like back then it was funny. It was carriers, but now it's just well, I thought there was a major but what did you think of the flying Stormtroopers? Yeah, I like to not to draw this line. Oh, no, I mean like cause like they tried to make that into a meme in the runner too loose and I can see what they were trying to go for book. They literally hung it on one moment. It fell never happened again. No and it fell a bit flat. I thought within the film because I was struggling to find those Camp funny moments. Yeah, the sort of provides little shards of light throughout the film. Yeah funny and I wanted the volume. Yes, if we find it. We know that John boyega can be funny because he was actually quite funny. The first film yeah Oscar Isaacs. I thought I think in many ways for me Oscar Isaac as a guilty pleasure and that's right. Well, we're gonna have a big arm and that's Oscar was his name Oscar Isaac. He was so self-conscious. It was fabulous. You don't have anything to do when he was here and he reacted really well. I thought it was just like If it was a person hmm Oscar Isaac, that's all it was. I kept thinking he thinks is a stop. He's aware of the camera and I therefore because he was aware of the camera and he seemed to be like in my heart which I disagree. I just great. I think he was delivering what he rightly got the camp self-awareness. Okay, the first one Tad if you re-watch that Han Solo so I mean Harrison Ford, so yeah. Yeah, maybe it's just channeling that into these years I think between And that character journal or over where he also has been a bit of flirtation going on. I thought please give us more of that because that was the whole Han Solo. Yeah, man. I was just thinking in the force awakens. Remember that moment when they're fighting and Han Solo's with to back when he takes his crossbow. Yeah shoots with a because I really like that. There are no moments either. I mean there was Zero moments where you were just like apart from that they make they fly now. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah because I thought the strongest actors characters in the film was was John boyega, Oslo. Sick and I driver was brilliant. But again not nobody in this film has given enough to do know they want to be all of the actors have great potential even Daisy with you. Yeah. Yeah, her character has to do a lot of tear are I've got go there. I feel this I feel something kylo Ren's here, but it's just like it. I think you've hit the news about drivers that that's exactly what I mean by almost showing him in the first scene is what we're working towards. This is me in the rain and because he's such a part of Of like sculptural weird cliff thing walking towards us with his are going you're instantly gripped. He's got that thing that got sacked as manager - yeah, and I think he carries he carries a sort of complexity to his character and no one else in the students very hard to kind of pull that off with him quite Camp setting. Yeah, and he it was dark and it was conflicted and there was the twisty turny stuff and you didn't know how much he loved her wanted her wanted to connect with her. I was trying not to hurt. I wanted her from all that kind of stuff. So I quite like that. I actually personally think Daisy hmm. I've always said this from the first film is incredibly good at the non dialogue stuff. Yeah, I think she's incredibly good at all that you know, that is with Olson does as know she when she's doing all that shit and have faces like shattering with intensity that first one where there was the mind-controlled you member of the force awakens. I think she's incredibly good-looking with really the kind of bits and Bobs of George Lucas's craziness, you know, also very hard being British. Yes, I've always got a problem British person. I thought and yet again like some major defining part of the Star Wars the office is right down to carry Fisher having an English accent. They don't stick with any seem long enough. The only ones they really do that with is when they're both communicating very true and kylo ren but with every other scene in the film. They don't stick with the scene long like that. Yeah like that which usually works films. I'm not like films that are quickly. Yeah, Jim. Jade completely different story, but that's quite yeah. Yeah. Yeah stop but I feel because the original Star Wars films did have a lot of just staying in one scene for a very long time. Yes, it became its stolz thing. Yeah, they've kind of just really I'm totally agree and I think as we came out we were talking about this for a small example of this would be the infamous scene between Han Solo and Greedo in the canteen in the first-ever film and the whole thing. Did he shoot who shot first $1, you know, how Stella goes To the canteen is opposite the guy with the green face Greedo and they build that scene because again, they have no money. They had a tight schedule. They kept that scene rolling for a good 10 minutes. So you sat and you've got into the sea and I would I would argue that all that stuff that the star was found that of my generation gets from this thing is being in those scenes from or four more times experience the reality of it even more and you sit and it breathe because I thought this rattled Because I'm saying that this film had to sit with scenes as long as the original because I get that like this Jenna Twiggy quite odd. Yeah, but like most people our age get very bored in very long sings that's understandable, but they didn't even stay with it. Like, you know, two minutes nine two minutes worth of staying with a single man, like the very first scene where they're playing the you know, the check. Yeah literally five seconds and then they're on to the next thing is within those moments where they do like those things last a bit longer where all the original comedy would come. I mean I was acting and they'd get confident in itself enough. Yes, that does seem carry on. Yeah whistling threepio a bit longer over his translation of yeah, but he only entertains me so much to me, but at the same time they are they must have felt like because I agree with you. I think it's almost like they're not confident themselves. Yeah amazed they felt that had to be stuck with to explain. Us what was I was funnily enough? I think all three of us went all with R2D2. You can like art does R2D2 resonate the now want to keep because I know one of your favorites is the little the new Droid really you made a really interesting fully first that comes into the film he goes up to right right, right. Yeah, and she's like, hi you are now with us and then ended. Yes, he did. But you also said you'd make a really valid point that we discovered that that Droid have bits of information. Ation, yeah, and then they want to find out that information. They just left the character. Yeah. Yeah, I thought was quite I mean bizarrely the two richest character editions were Kiki's favor, which is that Droid. Yeah, and the little guy with the huge hands programs. Yeah. I thought the C-3PO gesture I act that was the only actual part of the film that touch that emotional part actually because I felt like C-3PO not Things have been kind of glossed over in the last two. Yeah, and when you go back having my document, yeah, I'm having made the documentary is about it George Lucas the entire Genesis of the Star Wars whole concept originated with these two traveling droids. And those are the original two Messengers. If you think of them as the kind of you know, the classic Tales of Don Quixote kill sorrow film films were influencing Lucas. He started with the droids and for him, they were the duo out of which the entire Thing emerged so I felt having a bit more see-through, but I wanted a bit more of R2D2. I would have died Constantine's left. Yeah. Yeah left again, but he's been left in all three and I thought they could have had some real moments between the two of them dialogue moment. So you never underestimate your door. Yeah, I thought maybe it was all right, and this is the wrong things again. I think that was maybe a lack of confidence on I mean to say that phrase never never ever underestimate ER which they said about four times, but then Say the actual Droid. Yes, because oh, yeah, I wish that the film kind of stuck with the sad stuff. What's it like with C-3PO? Yes his memory the yes, just let him use his marriage. Yeah sounds as sad as it would have been fed as it was as much as we would have wanted to get every back him getting his memory back was kind of just a bit like predictable like Of course it going to get giving this money that anyone even when it's supposed to be impossible. It was like they were unnecessarily babysitter. And also we're going after us next week to back her dying. He should have died. That was that is it is a sad thing is highly agree. You know, it kind of gives you more of well, it would give you a reason it would make you come out so that we don't have a car yet as a woman. She we did. I mean like we do with our so it would give you that tear in your home. Whereas actually the fact that they kind of it was a bit of a cheap dramatic. Trick wasn't it killing him but not killing it. And also I just never thought this before but toback annoyed me. He got on my nerves are irritated me. So I didn't mind to different places. Yeah, I'm running around in the background. Yeah. It was a really good scene in the desert which was my favorite see, you know, when he goes running off behind the world. Shooting the the Stormtroopers is a bit was running and I was like, oh my God. He looks so old. Yes. Yeah, you did and this is the opening. Well, this is a bit Bolder and they could have killed chewy and had C-3PO his head can mind completely erased that would have been quite dramatic film wanting to have been hurt. Yeah, because I didn't feel her at all. Whereas if I came out feeling her out of had that bigger my room. I wanted to the toilets and I pinched my cells yourself to cry. I didn't cry at all. It wasn't that type of film. But the only character is a character that even took me close to that and this is surprising is once again Adam Driver because you can do emotion as well as you know playing. Well, what about presumably what about the moment when he met been met. Me he met daddy. Yes Han Solo would you think about it was a bit? I don't know is we would do for that. Do you remember that bit, but I just wonder whether it was good Robert De Niro. He's lost a lot. He's lost. A lot of weight lost a lot of years according to that. It was about 50 the shape of his head was a bit different. It wasn't his lost. A lot of weight. I couldn't do my shit doesn't seem at all you were obsessed with how we look a bit weird and like I just need a house for don't really want to be there for Star. Well, you know, she doesn't want to be there. He's never wanted to be there from the very beginning. I mean Mark Hamill to be fair the yet you say there's a carpenter always wrong with laughing say I don't know why we will talk. About a mile about Harrison Ford bit. Never want to know that's right because I found the whole Harrison Ford moment Han Solo moment Iggy. Yeah in all the wrong ways. Well, I did stupid also than Mark Hamill bits as well. I mean he won't what has happened to his face. In the last year, he dangerously became a bit committed remember that moment where he says sorry shoulder and he had the sort of chorus of little penguin, but then why those birds those funny creatures are there why because when they took it to when they took it to the edit and everything like that, they had to cover up all the naturally inhabiting puffins with something. So there are thousands on the island and they can't shoot there whether it's somewhere up in out that funny Island beginning with Kayla. So those are all things apparently on The Wider shots to cover the puff. So underneath all of those those weird things of puffins ghetto thought was an extra extra and Star Wars. No, but within the last Jedi Luke became a bit committed you remember she heard that he felt like he was a bit of a jigging idiot. Yeah, and I think there's a bit of shredded wheat Princess Leia, they've used shot footage they had a limited amount of footage. Yeah, and they really do you believe I did if you didn't know that she died, would you have you believe it? Oh, that's really good. Oh, yeah. That was I'm saying I felt that you felt lack of new dialogue over seeds because she's reacting to completely different lines. Yeah used to run a different perspective, but it's good that obviously for a younger audience. Yeah, if you're not overly and I didn't feel any emotion when she's coming. This is going to take all the energy she has left. She said Ben and then she died. It has really been a hand with it wasn't a hand was it a typical thing to do as well? The hand falling? That's that's a Disney movie. That's no lie. Maybe there were two socials my wife. She was like, maybe they were to reverential to surprised how efficient yeah, the first time princess doing nearly died. She ends up Superman and Batman TV shows and all this time. She drives like snow was pathetic. It's very The moment there is almost like I mean, I know JJ Abrams has done the interview saying how respectfully I want to be technical. I've got what I've known could be more of a fan of Carrie Fisher layer as the me Baha. I do feel like you're right. It's like that literally the tail that's won't the door and maybe they should have just ditched her or she should have died off camera or something out at I was surprised that I mean she looked very good enough. Would you say that she was dead if I was one of the kids behind me? Kylo Ren's Narrative of Mark I actually like is that about who the hell is this? Yeah, comment low rate so he's down. No, but it takes so long for me to actually produce. I thought he was racing brother for a second. Han Solo and Princess Leia's son. Yeah, how is Luke Skywalker is Princess Leia's brother Liu task? I'm Darth Vader is the father of Luke Skywalker access layer. So Darth Vader is also kylo Ren's grandfather. Okay, that makes sense of that doesn't Family First no Ray is the Emperor Palpatine. Thank you. Yeah, he's the grand different. He's the grandfather of different family line a difference. Here's the interesting variation. Ya know the interesting thing. It's called the rise of Skywalker. Yes. She's not a Skywalk. She is she's in the corner Luke and Leia. Yeah. She's kind of gone. Well, I'm kind of I'm kind of like I've inveigled my way in. Yes, I've started into Skywalker then I'm Skywalker. She kind of said but here's the thing if you actually examine this film examine this film. She is the granddaughter of the most evil entity ever in the in the Star Wars Universe. Yeah. She's she's this isn't the rise of Skywalker. This is the rise of the Sith. Well, excuse me, but don't you think she can be anything she Masturbate and she has not forsaken a is insane. Hello people saying a lot of irritating. There's already same family names are us. She's not Sky. She's already there's a meme running around saying I identify as a Skywalk. Yeah. So yeah, I mean so so, you know her connection is with Palpatine you say so he is currently horrible really horrible. What do we think of conflicted then if I don't got that a bit earlier on I wouldn't the Sith thing didn't mean anything to me BC. So for me, it's a curious one because actually the Victor isn't I'm sort of the rise of Skywalker. I you know, I'm curious to know Star Wars fans. I am not an Aficionado nor an academic nor an analyst. I am an Ardent fan and I saw so documentary filmmaker. Yeah, but also in the making those documentaries that I did about it you realize that people are so into the micro. I'm not actually yeah, and actually that interested. I'm interested in the emotional washer and emotional truth. I'm fat not the absolute fact. What do we think of the action was as bad as the last ones action was just I thought that the only good thing about the action in the last one was that shot of the ship's going over the Sands like red powders, but I did although I did mind any of the fight scenes in this I want to stand out once for me, I like to stand out like action bit with her flipping over there. That was fantastic. That was millisievert this over the see that I thought. I mean, I thought beautiful CGI. Yeah, the the Sea and the Sea, you know, whenever I say everything I know about that, but I thought the standout sort of seeing was the one that you're saying where she went over my great. I mean for me that was the one scene and interestingly when I when I said that muddy you also said you some interesting it was the one scene where they let it breathe. Yeah. We just sat on a shot of her. Yeah. We saw thinking processing. Not allowed us to just sort of build at no point did this film allow for any reflection? No Gathering. Yeah, or or even just let some ambiguities. Yeah. Let's just wonder what the hell's going on here a bit Yeah to it was too afraid to let go of trying to rectify things for the fan base. And for the new audience. Yeah, and I think you just ended up losing its we haven't mentioned it. I know I always say the name wrong. I can't pronounce the actually the way you Say his name but domhnall Gleeson. I thought was really good in it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have funny stuff? That could have been good if it were thrown away and I felt a really Grand had probably given them a lot more than like I felt. Did you know that is only because he's right for that kind of vicious? Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, but the say the moment he shot them and or Gleason. Yeah it finally yeah was so dismissive. Yeah, and if you're willing to do that with that character be a bit more, I think it needed a bold darkness in it. It wouldn't know what there was some characters as well as and what you guys that what did you guys think is it is his name Billy Ray something like this. Yeah. I thought he was off. That was he was trapped in there for my generation. But I know what I never really connected with Lando Calrissian. I sort of felt in a way he was necessary because he bought the old film and leave them together. Well, he sounds solos chummy, of course. Yeah Channel owner of the Millennium Falcon. Well, he's Childish Gambino played the younger human soul of the force awaken Force awakens. That's yeah, but when Han Solo first came into and everything when those characters are oh my God. Yes did it in? When he stepped out from the show, I didn't feel any the kind of a film. They were scraping the bottom of the barrel was a kind of original cars and of who else was significant that there is anything wrong with it character, but the way they did it don't feel the Nostalgia of amazed. They didn't drag Darth Vader back in summer. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, they haven't much time mask when I thought horses running on a Star Destroyer is not right. No, and also I mean, I just thought that was a ridiculously sort of it was like opening a manhole on Top of it. I mean that that I don't know. That's what I mean by believability and I just wouldn't believe that a Cavalry horses would be running across a star destroyer and then you know that whole thing of stardestroyers have the ability to destroy entire planets. Yeah, and I like that in the first row. We've got to move on it goes back to this thing. Yeah, Maddie often talk about superhero films where I think and I think Adam Driver was giving us all of this. Yeah. We you need the conflict to be more internal. I think that's why the Empire Strikes Back is considered one of the best. Yeah, you've got all of that stuff going on inside loop. Yeah. It's all kind of that's why I think That's why I love kylo Ren's character. So yes, I've always thought colorings character was a really good one to add in and why Adam Driver has been so because it because it is all internal conflict. You know, what gives you everything in was weird but familes. Yes, you know. Yeah Thomas is so evil. Yes kind of acts so calm. Yeah and it's kind of the same thing with kylo Ren like when you sleep until rate is really quite a bit like a cult leader, you know, I mean, yeah, see why you'd want to yeah, just like the cold. Why do you want to trust him but we have it mentioned it. So I had a massive problem with them killing off. Once again, as soon as it gets bloody interesting. They're going to kill a bloody cares and everything and then you should have heard the kids behind me. They all screamed and applauded. Yeah. Well, it was a nice World died and then they just going to keep swapping. Is he going to heal him and that there's cheese. I thought all of that was great harked back to the days of the kisses in the earlier films and you're sort of thinking. Oh, yeah great. He dies. Can I just she said she just gets crazy eyes and goes she got over that really quick. There were no consequences for anything and I felt that in knows they were almost so immune from being hit by a Storm Trooper. They were never in danger explains plot point to me, you know the grandfather so this today. Yeah, who was the route has already been thrown down a great Longstreet? Yeah. Thanks Daisy to killing. Yeah, she refuses because then she will automatically become. The most part yes, but then she kills him. Well, I felt him from I felt the whole Emperor Palpatine thing was a little bit like the Lando Calrissian a lot of critics a lot of really intricately into this stuff Star Wars efficient, although saying clearly the problem with the sear this these three films is they didn't have a roadmap at the very beginning and they leave and they needed a roadmap. Where were they going? What was the plan damn right you need to know? You ending and what they did was they had a real backlash against the Last Jedi from the fan base and they thought where the hell can we clutch at a villain? It can't be Vader. He's well and truly like the generation of Beyond bring the Palpatine back and I thought okay, we're going to play on that funny thing of all Stormtroopers of clothes, right? Yeah. So if they're all clones then snoke the great villain in The Last Jedi, but they also kill he was in lots of jars wasn't easy cloning him. Yeah. I like so is palpitating. During the clone of himself. Yeah, I think did they even further? I think they might have done at one point, but I just thought they just brought him in. It was a bit like a sort of pantomime villain. Yeah in with very little thought for how this screwed up what they call the Star Wars law. Yeah, you played it. Well, I thought well Yuma covered up but then I did feel his face looks very prosthetic e it did but before his makeup on his lips look to be rough at times. Yeah. I think I know why she killed him. She was supposed to kill him, you know when she was very importantly start the why are ya then she ended up refusing. Yes kind of rain comes in and then he took their energy to yes, that's right. And then she must have been something about him. It was a lot of income because he cut because their energies flowing traffic alive, whereas before he was kind of like The Walking Dead thing. Yes, it must be something about when once he took their energy. Yeah, and then she killed him. Yeah. She didn't somehow then. Yeah, but come the but it's there will be no. Logic behind will be suddenly you saying that put it all together is that they haven't got enough actual Star Wars facts like you would be able to stay at this this this is this and what they do is they keeping all the things really short give yes. It's because they're too worried to tell you exactly so they don't stay in any set up for long enough because they're petrified. Yeah, but the Ardent fans are going to Pick holes in it go that's not right. That's all right. So what they do is they move on they move on. Yeah, what happens is nothing nothing stands and what they should be doing. I mean for me this was possibly one of the biggest disappointments of all the Star Wars films. This is the calm yet. This is the comb yet. Even the last one. Yeah because it's made me cry reconsider The Last Jedi, I didn't like it. I didn't like what it did at the time. I didn't like some of the choices it made but it it it was trying to do something different. Different it was trying to strike off into new territory. If you think back to those seams of the refracted her and all that think he did the dialogue that by watching this what by watching this. I realize that you can only keep doing the Star Wars thing of the original Star Wars thing so many times it can't read be recreated an interesting Series. Yeah. Everyone's loving it. They're loving and they're loving it because they're spending time. There's a series of 10. Yeah, no crushing it and it's completely new sort of area. What they've done is they've just extended a good idea. Yeah should have just been the original Three. I wonder yeah, do you think you can wait I'll get going. Okay. Well, it's summer I noticed that from the kids behind me who cheered and did all the rights that not made all the right noises what they didn't like and I thought isn't it funny how things change in history, you know those things where they were Collective things happening like cafes and whatever and there'd be there'd be somebody who was made up heavily to be a different race than the diver and I hear and I'm like, yeah and you love that when you were they all thought they wouldn't they didn't accept that at all. And I wonder whether that's why they kept it short because modern films these days somehow when they make something they make them so much better than those don't you think like the sort of ET look with an i there and an eye then how did it work for you? I mean bear in mind that you don't know enjoyed it far more than I thought. That was partly because it took is it such a And I was sort of my crush belong I liked her as the heroine. I love Adam Driver despite the fact that it was on rather and Auntie Adam Driver thing because he's in too much at the moment. It's so washable that you know, they're going to linger over all that. I wish I had a felt that which was sort of became bit of a major thing about the CGI in the background because I felt some of the most amazing-looking scenes won convincingly, right and I wanted to be convenient did it deliver for you as a standalone film or did was it created? Because it's a critical component of three films and really it's a it's a fine the finale to nine. So I would give it a 7.5 in 7.5 for me. It's quite hard to sum up because I thought that it was a very empty film when I really really think about it. I feel like a lot happened but nothing happened and I felt zero emotion in it. Really? Yeah. I felt all the emotions that I might have felt the quite forced like when I Having fun. It was all because I wanted to find something funny but actually being funny. I wanted to feel more sadness than I did. I wanted to come out of the film having been heartbroken, but I didn't and I don't know I just felt like I will give it to the I thought the actors I feel sorry for the actors in it because I feel like there was so little that they were given to do and they did really well considering what they were given like John boyega and Oscar Isaac and Daisy. I felt like, you know the script Was not good in this room at all, but not it was bad not even in a good way. You know, I mean like like we say with the originals it's not better like it's not brilliant for its script but it worked as you said yeah, it gives you something. Yeah, there's something else but there was there wasn't anything else. No, that's right. I don't know. I just felt kind of the new characters like the actress from the new end of the effing World season. Yeah, I character not by thrower in just give me water some of the already existing characters. The menu of the strongest ones that kylo Ren and not killing off ones that kind of should be killed off like to baccarat. Yeah C-3PO. I don't know. It's just I just found it very disappointing and I didn't even go in there expecting it. You know, I tried to go in there not getting excited. Okay, and I still was disappointed. Okay, but I will still say that I think it's better than the last Jedi. I think that this better because I felt like it wasn't my problem with the last Yellow was it was trying too hard? Yeah be it's a new thing. Yeah, and I like that this film kind of saved it from that a bit and Maurice little bit of the old films but what it gave us from the old films. I didn't feel any Nostalgia, you know, how kind of sadness feeling I've got very it was very wouldn't it was such a good and film quite a bit like marriage story. I just didn't feel anything. Well, I thought I'd enjoy this performance was brilliant. Trey wow, thank you baby. Hey what say about it? It's interesting you so much you can say so and it was just so not what I expected. I wasn't I'd like I agree with Mario's it going into it like game. I wasn't getting excited was like, I was worried it was going to be bad but then was popping Zion is going to be good because you know Star Wars and I love oh, yeah. I was really disappointed but I mean, I think it was it was almost as bad as the other one. I really didn't like it. We board I wasn't born. I was what it didn't I couldn't I couldn't watch it again. No, no, no straight. That's interesting. If I were really long as well. You said It felt sure I thought I felt it felt short because I was thinking more was going to happen just weird and she's funny. I should say that you weren't bored, but it was boring. It was boring but you weren't bored and they're hoping it would get better but also because they kept ramming it full of stuff. Yeah, it's just like my shift seem to have changing. Yes stuff, but full of nothing something really happened in the film but a lot happened. What's a lot of nothing happens. You have any favorite characters main characters? Yeah, but still they didn't When it started I was like, oh this one I don't need that. All right. Okay, like it's going to be okay, but then yeah as soon as I saw she flipped over 3.5. Okay. Well I went. This not with High Hopes. Actually, I was very nervous because I mean that you know, I don't envy the job that JJ Abrams all lucasfilm's or Disney have with this they were trying to round off and you know, one of the biggest franchises ever created, you know, let's not all pussyfoot around this George Lucas. Didn't know what the hell he was doing at the beginning either and he sure as hell wouldn't have known where this film was going to end up even though he did always envisage the original nine films. It feels a little bit like we've all got a little bit bogged down in thinking that because George Lucas probably said, In an off-the-cuff remark, once there are nine films being made here. We all got a bit sort of slavery SLI attached to the idea that it had to be nine firm. Yeah and in so doing and yeah, what why not 10 or even maybe it should have just been seven and maybe because everything the force awakens did do for me which was the first of these last three it gave me all those masajid warm moments and I cried and characters were killed it took risks it through people or things. Yes, it was derivative. In an ironic strange Twist of everything. I think that's all Star Wars could be in 2019 17 when it was released 2015 was derivative of the original and I think all everyone really wanted from that Force awakens was a real experience of the first film. Yeah, and I think to the extent that you know a lot people criticize it saying it doesn't push don't push them. I think JJ absolutely delivered that word Yahweh delivered a retelling of a similar tail and I got the same nostalgic magic. You're right the last year that I then tried to do a sort of prequel. The thing that kind of didn't work. There are a couple of moments in it that will kind of potentially interesting. I just don't I just don't agree on Johnson as a filmmaker to be honest like the red scenes at the end and I go like the dialogue between Ray and thingy. Yeah, you know some crude crucially bad decisions were made that so I came into this expecting it to be JJ trying to rescue the trilogy and the nine films and steer it back towards some semblance of self-respect and keep the fan. Yeah, and I think has he done that perhaps he has perhaps he has and perhaps it accomplishes that job. I don't really understand the point of accomplishing that job when there's no more films in The Saga to be made. Yeah. I think you may as well go out on a rip-roaring experimental complete throw it all up in the air. You don't need to protect any of these characters. You don't need them all hugging each other in the forest with the Ewoks waving again. You have that in Return of the Jedi. Absolutely. Okay. That sounds like Okay, so we've been Planing about Adam drivers character kylo Ren dying, but do something else do something that kind of will need to select the ones strong yet. Well the ones from it but none of these carrots are theoretically none of these carrots are going to reach Beyond this Saga. So if this is the end I personally was thinking and I keep reading these reviews about it. I think if they could have part the thought that perhaps Daisy wasn't wholly good and that this was about the success actually of Palpatine and the Sith. I think this is an inadvertent. That we've all just stumbled upon is actually a Sit that on the granddaughter of the most evil person is actually the Survivor. I think that would have been a richer end. Yeah, perhaps this is evil has some yeah exactly and I think they could have afforded to do that were upsetting Disney and I was profoundly disappointed. This was this felt like a film made by committee. It felt like it was a film, you know, it feels like Kathleen Kennedy still leave lucasfilm's has to go. There's talk of Jon Favreau being Placing other has to happen to as a bit technical but just for the fan base. I think Jon Favreau has to come in from the Mandalorian and rescue things as does Kevin feige. Yeah. Well everything in the Mandalorian looks good. Everything in the Mandalorian is what everyone says this this stuff should have been and this just has to be put to bed. I mean, I personally think this was the most disappointing not because it was necessarily a worse film than the Last Jedi, but it had to be so much more of a better film to end all nine. Well, it had to be so much. More sophisticated but I think it had to do less be shorter even and just focus on little moments a bit more. Yeah, and I felt a bit cheated. There's the two moons of tattooing. There's Luke's old gas. Yes that kind of and they were trying to trigger that kind of emotion. It's you just couldn't they couldn't do it for me. They didn't do it. So I'm going to give this to our tent. Wow, I was really really let down really let down the final thing. I do want to say was your mom said something that was really horrible yesterday to me which was it's irrelevant. No one cares about it. And unfortunately when I came out of this film tonight last night, I was left thinking it's very hard for me to argue that it is relevant to anything. It felt utterly irrelevant and utterly pointless. Yeah. It's a I think your mom's right now not the three not the original Three, but that's how bad the things of God what you need to do is you need someone to just be left alone to get on with creating new Star Wars shit like Pharaoh has a the Mandalorian welcome. Haven't seen in the sky. So in other words, it's worse than doing nothing. Whatever and I think in a weird way, that's my Disney and I'm going to slow up the films coming out soon realized. It's gone wrong. Yeah has gone wrong. Yeah, it's gone majorly wrong. Yeah.

#starwars #theriseofskywalker #episodeIX  Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (also known as Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker) is a 2019 American epic space-opera film produced, co-written, and directed by J. J. Abrams. It is the third installment of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, following The Force Awakens (2015) and The Last Jedi (2017), and the final episode of the nine-part "Skywalker saga". [a] It was produced by Lucasfilm and Abrams's production company Bad Robot Productions, and was distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. The film's ensemble cast includes Carrie Fisher,[b] Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Anthony Daniels, Naomi Ackie, Domhnall Gleeson, Richard E. Grant, Lupita Nyong'o, Keri Russell, Joonas Suotamo, Kelly Marie Tran, Ian McDiarmid, and Billy Dee Williams. After the new trilogy was announced following Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm in 2012, it was originally reported that The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson would write the script for Episode IX. In August 2015, Colin Trevorrow was hired to direct the film while constant-collaborator Derek Connolly would co-write a new script (both would eventually receive story credit with Abrams and Chris Terrio). In September 2017, Trevorrow left the project following creative differences with producer Kathleen Kennedy, and a few days later, it was announced that Abrams had been hired to return. Principal photography began in August 2018 at Pinewood Studios in England, and wrapped in February 2019; post-production was completed on November 24, 2019.

You are listening to the nasm CPT podcast with Rick Richie the official podcast of the National Academy of sports medicine. Welcome to the nasm CPT podcast. My name is Rick Ritchie. And today we're going to be talking about exercise programming and periodization. This is a topic that's incredibly valuable. So as we start to talk about periodization and programming we'reReally going to look at what is it mean what is periodization? And why do we do it? And then what is programming and how is that different than periodization? So let's start with this a few weeks back on the nasm CPD podcast. We discussed the gas and said principles and gas points out that there's a need for stress called you stress eustress is a beneficial stress and distress is what we would refer to as overtraining now, you could be a regular exerciser. At the gym, you could hit the gym every single day and you're doing your thing. And then for the first time in a long time you go out to a batting cage or you go out to a driving range and you swing it some baseballs and you swing at some golf balls for 15 20, 30 minutes all of a sudden the next two or three days. You're like, I am so sore from swinging a baseball bat or swinging a golf club. I know this is recently came up. Because I took my daughter to a soccer practice and I was going to run around this this island next to Manhattan called Randall's Island. I was going to run around and do a little like longer slower duration cardio, but that's the soccer pitch right next to us completely empty and I decided I'm going to run sprints now. I haven't run sprints in a huge has a long time. So I go over and I get you know, let's just say the soccer pitch is about the same size as a football field for our purposes right now. So the let's say is a hundred yards long and I run 50 meters and then I walked the remaining 50 meters and then I walk a hundred meters back and then I run 50 meters and then I walk the remaining 50 meters and 100 meters back or yards and I do that several times until about the eighth time where I felt a little hitch in your giddyup. I felt a small little tweak in the hamstring. So I was like, all right game over. I'm done. That I'm not going to do that anymore today, but I loved it had a great time. I'm telling you for the next three or four days. I knew why my legs were sore, but I felt I was sore in my ribs with the muscles between my ribs were sore my abs were sore my obliques were sore and for at least the first half of the day, I was thinking what on Earth did I do that? I got sore and they remember the sprinting and house printing. Cuz I haven't done that in such a long time was going to be challenging for my but I just think it would be that challenging for my abdominal region, but it definitely was well periodization is one of those things where I was period izing my cardio program by adding in Sprints and we will get used to running longer slower durations. But when you start to add in the sprinting then that is a change in your program now, I haven't It is did that technically all I did was make a change to my program but I haven't actually scheduled that and say hey, let's start implementing this on a regular basis something for me that will change After experiencing what it was like to Sprint but let's talk about periodization and programming what are the differences and what do they mean so difference number one periodization is a division of a training program and a smaller Progressive stages and they're usually broken up. Into three different components or three different Cycles. There is a macro cycle a mezzo cycle and a micro cycle. The macro cycle is a long-term training period you can say that that's going to be between six months and a year. That's what you're going to commit to a six-month program or a year-long program and within that macrocycle you will identify the steps that you want to be made. So let's go large pitcher macrocycle and work our way down piece by piece and From my perspective like a macro cycle might be the timeline to get somebody through the opt model the so that that might be a macro cycle. It'll take a while six months to a year to get through the the entire opt model but a mezzo cycle are going to be smaller phases within that micro cycle are sorry the within that macro cycle and it's going to be several weeks to possibly a few months know that might be one phase in the opt model right? So you might be Spending time in stabilization endurance training for four to six weeks. All right. Well that that's going to be a mezzo cycle that's going to be an intermittent cycle. When you progress to that next phase in the opt model its strength endurance training, then that'll be a mezzo cycle to you can stay in that for four to six weeks. But a micro cycle the smallest component of this periodization cycled. It's going to be like usually a week and within that week. You might have several things program. So let's say that you're in a stabilization endurance training right now. So you might do several different types of training within that micro cycle, but you might also program a longer duration cardio or you might program within your clients training a yoga class to focus on stability and flexibility, but more in like a recovery way rather than a and I'm not saying that yoga is not challenging like that, but but we're Not necessarily going through this full muscle action Spectrum with eccentric isometric concentric and then doing weights. But you're holding poses and you are prolonging stretches that could be a pilates class. It could be simply adding in cardio where you want your clients to just do cardio instead. All of that stuff is a way to micro cycle where you want them to be for just the week maybe and then for that one to two week portion you to look at the Changes that need to be made to a program. Now. This is where true programming takes place programming is how the acute training variables change within that period of training in order to optimize your outcomes. And if you want to look at what those acute variables might be. So the variables you're looking at might be your rep range your sets the intensity or how much weight that you're going to be lifting the often overlooked tempo. So how fast or how slow you're going to be doing your repetitions? What's your rest range? You might see something that says zero to 90 seconds and nasm programming for arrest range. Well 0 seconds of rest in between two sets of push-ups is one really long set of push-ups. So clearly that's not what we're talking about. Zero seconds rest would be like those are going to be Circuits, there's going to be clusters. Those are going to be things that you do back to back with a zero rest and you might see the 90 seconds the 90 seconds sounds like well, that's a really long time to actually rest in between sets. But 90 seconds is likely an amount of rest that you might need to provide for your client in between circuits. So now after they go through four or five exercises potentially, then you can take a minute and a half break before going into it. And then you start to get into the duration which is kind of your your cycling. So how long are you going to be doing that and that duration if it's four to six weeks like we talked about it that in nasm where you might want to stay in a program based on linear periodization and next week. We're going to start will add conversation about different types of periodization, but that mesocycle is four to six weeks, but we are also looking at well how many times are people coming in and doing their work? Scouts right. So that's going to be part of the programming as well. But we've talked about now looking at well, what is what is periodization periodization division of training and two smaller Progressive stages and you can have a macro cycle six months to a year. Mezzo cycle would be you know, usually several weeks to a few months and then the micro cycle is likely usually about a week we talked about programming. Well, what is And that's how you change the acute variables within that period within that mesocycle or that micro cycle in order to optimize your training outcomes. So that might be will let's change from a bench press to a dumbbell chest, press well. That's not sets reps or anything like that. But it's just how you create this division of labor in between different types of exercises. That's programming. It might be now we're going to do in that first phase 12 to 20 repetitions. Ditions doing more of a 20 repetition and one day where your maxing out at 20 repetitions hardly able to get 21 or 22 repetitions at that shouldn't be the case. You you get to 21 or 22 reps your form starts to break or you you haven't fatigued at the muscle that's going to momentary muscular fatigue and you can't do anymore. Well, then you could start changing that and start saying well next time we're going to go to 15 repetitions and and instead of 20 and you're creating these variables these variable changes and that's programming as a thank you for listening to the nasm CPT podcast. I've got a special offer for you 20% off of any nasm order. You can use that 20% to get certified as a personal trainer through a CPT program the standard for the fitness industry or expand your career with one of our specializations, including our latest One nasm Nutrition certification, which gives you the skills to be a certified nutrition coach get 20% off your order by calling 804 6-0 6-2 7-6 or visiting nasm dot-org and using the code podcast 20 that's 800 for 6-0 6-2 7-6 and the discount code is podcast 20 start changing even more lives today. But what's a routine then a routine is something that you do routinely right? So it's something you got set up. So your exercise routine could be this. When when do you work out? That should be a routine and I know it's difficult and sometimes we're like, ah, just try to get it in when I can get it in that isn't a routine unless you're able to do that routinely unless you're able to do that and know that you're going Monday Wednesday and Friday and it doesn't matter what time the timing is not the routine. But the Monday Wednesday Friday is a routine. So the days you work out is a routine. That's what you do on a regular basis in order to Sure that you are a regular exerciser. It could be one time you work out. I was talking to a gentleman. I had an activation at Lululemon and their repair lab when they were preparing for the New York City marathon and a guy named Charlie dark said you should be as focused on getting up an exercising every single morning as you are brushing your teeth. It just should just be part of your day. Now, I think that's beautiful. I think that's wonderful love to be able to. Make that happen, but what he's saying is there is a time every day that you were planning your workout. And that is your routine. There is a day that you have selected days a week you have selected that is your routine. And so for him that example is going to be cardio he gets out and does a very specific cardio program. Now does he period eyes that program without a doubt? He's doing long slow duration runs. He's doing Tempo runs he's doing sprints. He's got all of these different types of things that he will program and then over the course of the training cycle in preparation for a marathon that is kind of a macro cycle of periodization. So programming a routine is really something that you as a client need to identify you as an exercise or need to identify. It can be what you don't change and the things that you don't change should not be B I guess how you exercise their needs to be routine in your exercise in order for you to maximize outcome, you need to exercise a certain way on a regular basis. So for instance if your Olympic lifter, you need to practice your Olympic lifts you need to period eyes that as well you need to create training variables for several reasons, but you've got to be able to create Variety in your program. And so those that generally don't Kind of altered their routines enough. There's nothing wrong with a split routine. But I know that for a fact there are people out there who have been doing the same split routine for like 15 years 15 years Straight live. And what do you do when you work out chest rise back buys Chaz legs and shoulders right those that's my split routine. All right, cool. How long you been doing that for like 15 years? Okay, when's the last time you saw really good results like 14 and a half years ago. That's how long it's been since I've really seen gains and the thing is like once you start working out and you're doing a split routine that can be a really valuable work out if this person's goal was hypertrophy and they saw in the first six months incredible amounts of hypertrophy and you're going to get that first of all because you just started working out and secondly because now you put together a program and a routine so you've got it planned what you're To do when you're going to do it and you stick to it value is there there is value there. But if you never change you never change and so when you get used to doing something you are no longer even in you stress, you're just doing the same old thing you're maintaining what you already got you're not going to get anything new unless you create eustress you start to create more challenge to the body and that's what this is. That's what we're trying to do right now is come up with this concept of understanding that nothing wrong with split routines. But if that's all you do, that's all you do. Thing like people pick tools and they're like, this is my thing. I do kettlebells. That's great. But a kettlebell is an exercise tool and if all you do is kettlebells, then I would venture to say that you are minimizing the ability to maximize your kettlebell use because there's not enough periodization in the program if you only and always do kettlebells or if you only and always do yoga or Pilates or strength train and a ocular type of way, then you're limiting your ability to maximize your outcomes. And the other thing one reason we also do periodization is because there is a tendency for overtraining you think about that for people who are running the marathon and if all you did was practice really long runs, then two things that happen you would you would probably get injured because there's just so many Impact so many impacts over and over again and you have to allow your your body the time to rest and recover which is another valuable part of your exercise program. You've got to implement recovery, but also you look at it and say there are a lot of impacts but the other thing too is once you get used to running slow and you're running the same time over and over again, you're not going to run a faster time unless you push yourself to run faster and that's why Tempo runs would be very valuable in this. Ticular example and even sprinting helps you. So once you start shifting your gate a little bit, once you start pushing yourself through a like a lactic acid training and you start to increase your ability to maximize your VO2 max or the the maximum amount of oxygen that one is able to consume while working out because we're all bringing in the same amount of oxygen when we breathe, but it doesn't mean we're all utilizing the same amount of oxygen when we work out. So creating these variables within the program creating a routine, but Focus your specific routine on when you work out what days you are going to commit to work out what times you are able to commit to work out. And then routinely put together a program. So your program falls into a routine. And the thing about that routine is that that routine is changeable that routine is something that is being programmed and that program has Variety in it, whether it's changing the sets the Reps the the frequency the duration. So how long you're going to be doing it? How many days a week you're going to be coming in? What's your rest range? Are you going to be doing? Are you going to be changing the type of program that you do? So are you going to do peripheral heart action? You're going to be doing a split routine or you're going to be doing volume training escalated density training all things that we'll talk about in future episodes and identify different types of routines that are there or programming that's there, but your routine needs to be routine. So pick those days of the week and if that means getting up early and getting your work out in get up early and get to work out in I tell this to my training clients when they're particularly if there are Professionals in an industry, so I'm going to get people like attorneys or people in the medical field and they know that once their day starts they have zero good judgment zero good judgment on when their day is going to end, but they know when they're going to go into work. Guess what? We got to start our routine before work because otherwise, I'm going to cancel charging you for every session that you miss and I want to keep charging your sessions that you miss. I want to charge you for sessions that you show up to and that we do together to help you reach your goals. So if you've got people that are in those fields and they have a really difficult time understanding when they're going to be out of work unless they're doing late and you're okay with doing late then then you may want to shift those clients into an early a.m. Session just so they know that they can get up and get it in. So these are all great opportunities to look at here's the difference between our our periodization our programming and our routine. Ins and then let's spend some more time on programming because I think sometimes this is where the wheels fall apart with with trainers is that they have this concept that they're going to put together a workout and it might have this macro and mezzo and micro cycle and then they're also going to put together something based off the opt model and they're going to do their stabilization. They're going to do their strength training then work up to power training and then six months later. They're still doing the same exercises every single day with the same clients over and over again and We can do better. The fact is that we can do better. The problem is that change is difficult and even change for the good right? They change for the good can be difficult, but we need to focus on making those changes for us and for our clients and if you need something like an app, maybe the nasm edge app or there's many other apps out there that you can utilize that can help you with how you program and what you program so that you can provide content. To yourself. So you know where you are to your clients so they know what you're doing with them and then you can give it to them on going so that you can say hey, you're only seeing me twice a week, maybe even once a week here is a program that you can follow and within that program. I want you to identify when you're going to do it. What is that routes Heen implementation of that program. So the exercise routine might be the components of a workout. We know that we're going to get strength training in there. We know we're going to get some video in there. We know we're going to Core Balance and reactive training and there may be some speed agility and quickness for certain types of clients that I take people through we're going to get all of these things in there that's part of the routine, but how you program those routines change and they vary and when you program them based off of what cycle you're in will also vary. So I hope this is at least a high-level overview of what our periodization looks like what our programming Hand look like and what our routines need to be focused on and then what we'll do in the next couple of weeks is dig a little bit deeper and find out how we can shift these programs even more to make them make sense for different types of clients. I appreciate all the feedback everybody's been given and the programming and periodization Concepts had come back multiple times through DMs on Instagram and emails that I've been getting. So I hope that this Those who reached out find this valuable and I also hope that you all continue to reach out. So hit me up at Dr. Dot Rick Rich ER IC H, ey at Instagram and you can email me at Ric died Richie at nasm dot org and let me know what you'd like to hear about and will produce it. Alright, thank you so much for listening. This is the NES uncp.

This week we look at the differences between periodization, programming, and routines. These are often used interchangeably and should not be. There is a mean of delineating the three and refining not only how we speak to them, but also how we implement them. Briefly, the following are discussed: Periodization – division of a training program into smaller, progressive stages Macrocycle: long-term training period, usually between six months and one year My macrocycle might be my timeline to get someone through the OPT Model Mesocycle: smaller phases within the macrocycle, usually several weeks to a few months Maybe one phase of the OPT Model Microcycle: each part of the mesocycle, usually one week A one-to-two-week look at changes that need to be made to a program. This area is where true programming takes place. Programming is how the acute training variables change within that period of training to optimize training outcomes. What is an exercise ROUTINE then? - When you workout - What days you workout - What time you workout - It can be what you do o Cardio o Strength - It can be what isn’t changing that will eventually need periodization o Split routines only o Same sets / reps / exercises on repeat Enjoy this episode, and as always please provide feedback and let us know what you would like to hear more about. It can be exercise, programming, industry, business, etc. regarding the needs, goals, and desires for the NASM certified personal trainer. Get 20% off your order now by calling 800-460-6276 or visiting NASM.org, and using the code Podcast 20.

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If you want to be judged on would rain and concrete courts in New York the say no minimum God. It's dribbling times. We're scoring never looked this good. I guarantee it. What was your reputation built from the playground up? What did you call next? And they took that ish all cause you want as fast as police and ambulance sirens or as loud as mr. Softee ice cream. No you see this. There's New York City hoops and Primetime as beautiful as the skyline. It's dribbling down. At an early age our guests recalls immersing himself into basketball through the pages of Slant Magazine in parallel. He became more dedicated to honing his skills in the park. He peaked early and by the end of his middle school years. So to came the Slowdown of his serious on-court exploits. He never let up on his Hoops fanaticism. He revered MBA Like Allen Iverson Kobe Bryant and so on never missing a beat on all things basketball culture as luck would have it. He found his way into Harris Publications and became a part of the Slam Magazine family as a salesperson. He made a name for himself and earned a solid reputation throughout the company after a series of interesting corporate shuffles. He partnered with slam founder Dennis page and another associate to outright five slam and set it on a new and exciting course on this. Episode of dribble and dimes we hear the basketball story of Slam media Inc. Partner and CEO. Oh David Schnur, it's your boy Manny digital. Welcome to another episode of dribble and dimes. I happen to be sitting and slam Magazine's offices. Very very happy to be with our guest today. He is the CEO of slammed and seems to be such a cool. Cool cat West The native. Yes, sir. Career slam guy. Yes 11 years and counting loving you. That's a mr. David Schneider is voiced by the way, if you're not familiar David, thank you very much for joining us here forever whole podcast first podcast. Where is happy to be here? Hey, I appreciate that. You picked us as you're jumping off point. Yes, it fits dribbling down. I'm slam. You know, I love it makes sense. I love it. So, um, this is our first call it me. Media interview right with a media entity. Yep. And as I Was preparing for this interview, you know, I caught a lot of flashbacks slam being you know, the basketball Bible by many people standards and my personal viewpoint on it as well. I just recalled all the different moments, right? I mean from like Felipe that era when you're rough it right around with magazine kind of jumped off the a 94 Will you know when you had like the Kobe's and Vince Carter's and those guys on the cover? I tell you like I've related a lot to slam. Sorry slam to the source mag, right but hip-hop like the mini slam is the basketball version of it. What made you how did you fall into slam? So slant I've just been a lifelong slam reader and fan like I mentioned you before I started reading Slammers when I was probably 9 or 10 years old. Old and really just fell in love with it from the beginning everything that I represent it from, you know, the swag of the players on the covers and the inside posters and the hip-hop language and the sneakers and at the time I was really getting into playing basketball so that kind of just took my love for the game to another level but you you jumped in from a career standpoint. I mean, yeah, right, you know, the magazine was out you were young you were getting immersed into basketball most? Okay. They know how did I get into the job here? So, you know ice I went to Emory University. I studied economics. I was actually thinking of becoming a teacher after after school and then I was like, you know, let me let me take a step back and see if there's a job out there that I'd be interested in and my sister at the time had just started dating a guy that worked at Harris Publications, which is where slam was founded. He worked on a car magazine called rides and he met my mom and she said what other magazines are at your publishing company and he said well, we have a basketball magazine called slam and moms. Like oh my God, my son David who's about to graduate from Emory love slam and he goes. Oh, that's funny. You should say that. We have a sales position opening up. So your mom's glove exact my mom and my sisters boyfriend at the time of the plug. So my mom hates me. She's like this is new boyfriend is worked at the same company a slam, you know, you should you should talk to him and I was like Mom she just started dating this guy like two weeks ago. I'm about to start working with you know, my sister's boyfriend. I don't know if that's the best idea. Fast forward a couple weeks. I met him. His name is also David we hit it off and I came in for an interview with Dennis page is my business partner and he said, you know where Toby go to high school where Jordan go to high school. We just talk basketball for 45 minutes. I was like you want the job and that was the qualification like literally he knew he could tell that I was ahead a slam kid, right and that's really probably the most important part when you're in this business is having a passion for the game. Game and the culture, you know coming in and just doing sales or just working for brand and not really having a passion for it. And that's not fun. Right but, you know, I've loved doing this since since the day I started because basketball and slam and Hip-Hop have always been my biggest passions. So million-dollar question. Yeah the other David and your sister, where are they? They're married. No, they're married. They have two kids can't defy was his best man. He was my best man, and I had my wedding and we've been best friends. Friends, I don't upload that since I started we sat in a cube with each other at Harris for seven years shit. Shout out to them. That's big. Shout out to Dez especially because you know relationships relationships don't tend to work out you were early too. It reminds me says, you know, if I if if it wasn't for me your life would be very different true. It's absolutely true. So he gets a piece you get this right he gets that he gets that Kickback. No, but it's funny. I think about that all the time like if my sister and him had not met, you know, where would I be? But even more importantly the princess of Mind of your mom to connect those dots you can because your system wasn't even thinking about only that from his Vantage Point. Like if I had a sibling that had a new boyfriend or girlfriend, I wouldn't invite that person into my place to work and say you should interview how soon I would never get, you know, there's just way too much that could go wrong so all credit to him. He had the vision he knew he knew the work here now, he works at a he actually works on double XL at Town Square. Esto esto. Wow, so you mentioned dentist page and business partner. Yeah Shameless plug little snot there. Yeah explain because you're a relatively young dude. Yeah, right. Dennis page is an older gentleman. Yeah and you're 32 and Dennis page started slamming 94, but then now you're his business partner insulin. Can you walk us through that? Yeah. Sure. So when I started in 2008, he brought me on to sell like print advertising and Dennis had all The juicy accounts he was running Nike and Adidas and Under Armour and the Marine Corps and all these big big blue chip clients and I was kind of brought in to scrape and find everybody else that he wasn't talking to so the hostel the hustle exactly so I came in and I did that for about two years on the print side and then the digital media stuff started popping and we had a digital seller and she left and then they were going to bring somebody else on to take to take over that digital role and I said hold up don't hire. Someone I'll figure this out and I'll handle the digital sales. So that was my opportunity to kind of show them that I could you know, take advantage of the situation and rise to the occasion. So I kind of taught myself the digital part of the business and that was my way to start working with the Nikes and Adidas because Dennis was working on Nike and Adidas and under all those guys on the inside, but he didn't know the digital side of the business, right? So then we really started working more in tandem because he would do something. With this clan on the print side and work together and say how do we bring a digital component into this? Right? So I started the, you know kind of elevating the digital side of the business and then I started a network with you know ball is life and who mixtape and HotNewHipHop and speaker files and just kind of created this basketball hip-hop and sneaker Network That Then I then sold in the marketplace as one kind of basketball hip-hop Network. So it was kind of like an early what complex ended up starting to do. Yeah. So at one point, I think complex, you know, I would say they A competitor. I don't know if they would have considered a signal Predator because they were bigger than us but like much bigger than us and just had broader reach but we had maybe five sites and they had 11 sure and then we had six and they had 25 then we had seven and they had 80 and I was like yo this is because that's all you though, right you managing that plus other things totally they have like T massive team. Absolutely. Absolutely and I was really staying in this kind of vertical basketball culture space or as complex as really going. They had everything from food to girls to Bros to sports to cars just men's lifestyle across the board and I was really focused in on you know, kind of what slam was. Yeah and finding these, you know other websites that fit that mold of basketball culture space. So if we go back a little bit you mentioned you jumped into basketball and before off are we were talking about kind of where was your height? You plan my Peak my buddies always telling us my buddy been specifically he's like, I remember you want a way to Camp One Summer and you Back and you were just so much better than everybody else. And that summer. I was maybe nine or ten probably right actually right. I started reading slam and then I was really good until you know, I was probably 12 or 13 and then everybody else grew a lot more than I did and got really good and got a lot stronger and I just kind of you know got a faded to Black. Yeah kind of faded to black. I mean I play ball every day. I mean, that's what I did. I'd finish school I play ball for a couple hours. My sister will come get me from the park and say Davis time for dinner. I was like one of those kind of movie stories with you know, I can see in like a little graphic novel. She come she gets me to go eat my food. I do my homework. So yeah, I mean it was always I played every day of my life through college and then when I started working it became more difficult to play every day and so the private investigator that I hired mentioned that you're a deep threat kind of guy like very consistent deep range shooter game is pretty pretty good to everybody in this office would would disagree with that because they've only seen me They've seen Dave Schnur, you know like 27 to 32 play. Okay, and that is a very different Dave sooner than the prior to the 11 12 13 year-old if you are so I'd say I'm consistently inconsistent. Ah, my favorite ad is that is my game my entire life, you know, and I never used to have these thoughts before I play but now before I play I'm like shit. Is it worth the gym finger, you know, is it really worth the pulled hamstring? And then once I get going and I get warmer, you're not gonna fuck you that I had a couple Jays. I'm ready to go. I feel like the man but I would say the last couple times. I've played I've like jammed a pinky that last three weeks, you know, I pull it I pull a hammy something like that. So, you know, at least I still got to work on Slam and so what my thinks that way one thing somebody makes it look like if you know, I asked them if you had to compare his game to a pro player, right? Who would it be a few names came up, right? Steve Nash was one lie like that, but the one that caught me off guard and made me laugh my ass off waste. Said a homeless man's JJ Redick. Wow, that is way off your crack. If that was you that was you that is not met any nice small parts and no I mean Jake is like a wet shooter. He's kind of like a 3D kind of guy or is he even defensively not really fun in but anyway, yeah, he's just like a Ultra scream, you know height was if you asked anyone that play with me when I was when I was younger was I had probably Be the best handle on the court who were the Shifty and quick and I could gonna get my shot up when I was small so I would fade away and I could I could generally get my shot off. But JJ Redick definitely I thought he's gonna say like a poor man is Jay like white chocolate Jason Williams. I mean, I would take and with Beth and Steve Nash I could pass the rock a little bit, but but not really. No I could okay I could but you all know I wasn't like said work that shit. Yeah, wasn't it? Like the craziest runs, you know, I wasn't playing with you know. Play against teams. I was on some travel teams when I was younger and we play against like Dom Bosco prep and these guys just like beat the shit out of us. Uh, you know, I was I was humbled I was humbled at an early age, you know, I had NBA dreams, but you know those those dreams those dreams died, very very young. So again, you are a lifelong. I would say basketball enthusiasts have since you fell into it by yourself. You decided to go to school in Atlanta. Yeah Emory University go. That was the three there D3 school, right? So you didn't go in a certainly be a fan of the of this town for say academics. I assume is what brought you there. But what was the basketball? I mean, how do you get your basketball fix playing just playing playing playing, you know playing fantasy basketball with my my roommates or whatever it was but no just playing I was always I'd say I probably played in my life 85% of the basketball. I played was by myself just like, you know, I'm not saying that to like be sad or whatever. It just picking up a ball going to park like Above the Rim when two dudes playing with your Shadow. Yeah, exactly. No, no wake up. It's 7:30 in the morning when I wake up when I was a kid. I was never really late sleeper. I go to the park and play ball for two three hours and I was lucky enough to have, you know, maybe five guys come and play some three-on-three pick up, that'd be great, you know, and then in college you'd be playing some rules and you get your five on five runs, but one thing I hated about runs was waiting. So if you lose you come off and you got two teams and I played at the Y in New York down on 14th Street. And I will go early in the morning and playing some runs and then I'd be waiting for 20 minutes and I hated that so I just like to pick up a ball go to the park and she and that's probably why my left was never that good because I didn't have I was just going and kind of yeah just re doing something I didn't I never really had proper basketball training. Like I said, my dad was never like a huge influence on my the basketball part of my life and he wasn't like, oh get a trainer go do this go do that. He Psych for him that was just you know, it's just like radiation do what you want to do. That's dope. I mean, it's better than him saying you can't go outside actually. No my dad because growing up in the Bronx. That's my title. That's still growing up in the Bronx to me. It was like you can only be outside from the hours of like, you know, 11:30 in the morning to 12:30 in the afternoon, right? And then you better get your ass home, right? The Sun is going to give you cancer and all sorts of fucking Scare Tactics. No none of that. But so you got to Harris on the back of Of your now brother-in-law, right? Right and you work sales here. How did you end up, you know essentially becoming the CEO? Oh, but ultimately like a invested partner in what is now slam online so much time. I'll try India slam media. So I'll try and make this quick. There's a there's a lot that goes into it. So I was at Harris Publications for until about 2014 and as I mentioned hair Started slam they sold in 2000 and then it subsequently had four or five owners. But Dennis my business partner retain the contract to keep running the magazine. Yeah in 2014 Harris. They also own double XL. They sold double XL to Town Square Media and just decided that they don't really want to run that part of their Publishing Company anymore. So Dennis and I left together and started a company called fly Q Media took the contract to run slam with us. Okay. So now we had a contractor run slam. Then I had this digital Network that we were running so fly You media was Slam Magazine running that magazine running that digital side of the business. But then also running the network that I built around it. Got it and the company that owned it the Enthusiast Network also known as 10 they own automobile Motor Trend a bunch of action sports titles Surfer skate and slam didn't really fit their portfolio. So our competitors were doing a lot in the video space and doing a lot in the event space and digit and the were all very digitally mine. And our company our parent company at the time wasn't really necessarily investing and slam the way they should have been right or you know, maybe they didn't have the resources to be able to do that because they had a lot of other projects. They're working on Motor Trend which is a massive massive Brantley on the space. So we we approached the guy that we knew that was really into basketball that had a had a great investment background and said, you know, would you be interested in going in on this with us and buying slam and and investing in it and bring it back to what it was and in the late 90s and early 2000s and bringing it into the digital age and creating great content and you know exploiting the name as best we can on all channels and lucky for us. He was he was into the idea and we tried to buy it in 2000 maybe 2015 and couldn't come to terms and then in August of 2017 we were able to close and by it. Wow, so the way I became CEO oh is Just kind of coming together with with Dennis who's the founder and our investor. Let's call him Joe and the silent partner and you know the three of us and you know, Dennis is CEO and I'm CEO and we kind of handled everything ladders up to us on the business side. And for those that are listening and may not know who were talking about. So we're talking about the founder of Slam Dennis page. And obviously we are guest date Dave Schnur here. I find it fascinating kind of this this rebound from a pro. Oppo nice. I'm slammed right not not that I ever noticed it necessarily fade away. But I see the Resurgence now, right? I brought the New York New York Magazine you guys collaborated with a Nike on which I read cover to cover and which is dope but I look at this and obviously this is you know something I can tangible something I could hold in the digital age. You can still find slam Magazine's that you had to physically touch how has that transition been for you guys, especially now? Space to call it. Yeah with the digital divide. Yeah, I mean, it's been great when we started when we bought it. We had I think we eight or nine people and now we have 35. So we got a whole in-house video team whole in how social team before this. We had a bunch of editors that were the editors were doing social and we'd form out some video projects videographers here and there but we weren't doing consistent video and we're doing High School video, right? So one of the first orders of business when we bought it back because we need to get deep in high school and go back to our roots and start building relationships with these Stars when they're younger? Yeah, that's that's what slam always did we had the high school diary. Where was Stephon Marbury when he was a sophomore at Lincoln and we built with these guys that long-term value a long-term value when they were when they were young and high school. So, you know, we started with getting deep in high school. We had this guy named Brian larussa who's phenomenal who heads up our high school team and he he oversees probably 30 shooters that we have across the country just filming the best high school content. And we have an Instagram channel that just the clips. I think we're almost at six hundred thousand fans and under a year and a half or two years whatever it is. So what the hell did you guys do to grow that fast? Just put out great content be everywhere that we needed to be there is really no tricks. Yeah. It's a the trading system. It's just hard work and quality content and having a respectable name in the space. Yeah, and people respect slam but it helps what you brought up before about like the tangibility of a magazine. Ironically the magazine in this day and age is like our competitive Advantage people look at it and say oh it's a primary. Is magazines anymore? Right? Every other magazine is dying. How was slamming able to stay afloat in this digital age? And it's really special. You know, anybody can be on the front page of bleacherreport.com for five minutes it comes and it goes and that's it. But being on this cover, it's a rite of passage for guys being on that slam cover and being able to get a blow up and put it up in your and your big house. So I am I playing ball being on the poster inside. It means something to these guys. And it's really a great access point for us because it enables us to to get access to these great players and build relationships with them and create great content around them and it's a great content moment for us. So when we do a cover now, we usually do two or three covers per issue and that gives us three content moments on our channels and we build a video around every cover and we have stories around every player that we have and now we're doing t-shirts and all sorts of merchandise that are that are cover Centric so I so much as like that To be to the Olaf shorts you guys got over there. Yeah for now. But yeah, I mean we can talk about that. I mean the mercy I can deduce. Where is this where do the work of people find merge? Because I got to go buy some shop that slime online.com hit it hit it. So yeah that the magazines really a great part of what we do and our circulation when I started was a hundred and fifty thousand in 2008 and now it's about a hundred thousand. So it's really not nearly a drop no coming considering to drop is as a lot of other Publications. You got guys that are completely out of business that are gone that are or just said, you know, we're wrapping up the magazine, you know? Yeah. No, it's anyway, I mean like is it is a 50,000, you know, haircut call it right and people but you're talking about, you know, a 1012 year to attend 11-year run here are the digital age has I mean smack the shit out of him, right everybody. Yep. So for you that's that's pretty much keeping it flat. Yeah, you totally over that. Totally. We still have great partners that support them support the magazine like, you know, the Keys and indeed us and the Under Armour is and Spaulding and tons of big brands in this space that you know respect slams voice. I interview a lot of New York area basketball players, right people that have gone through the high school ranks and dominated College done. Well professionally overseas and in the NBA and one consistent threads particularly those that came up as say in the 90s and early 2000s the consistency of The significance of showing up in periodicals like yours, right or you know SI like Felipe on the cover of SI and and even more like a column like more local not local. They were National but like the rankings that would come here. Those are significant milestones for these people total right one thing and I'm so glad you guys are kind of going back to basics far as the high school aspect of what you guys started but one significant missing piece is Local papers, right? So here in the New York metro area the local papers were the lifeblood of these athletes right? Once they made it onto the New York Post or whatever they'll use. It was a humongous benefit, right? It kind of it was they're coming coming of age opportunity. That's pretty much gone. Like there are no significant people covering everything else. So everything's on Instagram first or right, you know, and these kids are all just glued to their phones, right? You know, this is dangerous. Dangerous to me. That's no one's you know, the Felipe Lopez document or I'm sure you wash sure those kids aren't going to buy newspapers anymore. No, you know, they're just going on Instagram and Twitter or small digital gonna buy the copyist let you know right but but I think there's still a maybe you would know better just because you're kind of in this world I think is still beneficial for you to have somebody in the local newspaper for its comfort, you know on the beat still right? I don't see that and again now we're talking about showcasing it on the digital front right necessarily. Tangible newspaper, but that's not even happening. It's very fickle. Yeah, you know you guys I see way more out of you guys from - from you know nationally, but even locally high school was that I do with the local papers, which I think is kind of bullshit. Yeah. So are you seeing anything changed in that regard with respect to local newspapers and media Outlets, you know, unfortunately, I would say that one of the reason you're not seeing a lot of the local papers is because New York basketball hasn't been as great here in this era true as it. It was you know in the mid to late 90s, you know, we have had Philippe and staff and even guys like Odom and Elton brand up in Peekskill. Like we had some most number one pick monsters and you know, we got some great players in New York no doubt, but you know, just nothing like the top five top 10 guys. So it's maybe you know, the headlines aren't necessarily worth it to these local papers at the moment if you had Zion Williamson playing last year at Lincoln, right? You better believe. Yeah. Our study on the cover of the post. So, you know, I think a lot of it has to do with you know, where a lot of great players are now how do you compare the the kids that you see coming up now? Let's call the high school and college. Yeah to kind of when you started at slam. Like what would you say is the biggest difference in the athletes? I think they're getting better and better. I mean, these kids are phenomenal. I mean the jumping ability is some of these guys their ability to shoot the ball. I mean since like the Steph Curry's He's started doing what they were doing in the league. I mean, there's really been kind of an emphasis change. You know, when I was growing up. It was like I want to be like Allen Iverson. I just wanted to break you down with a crossover and get to the basket and whether I finished or not, I mean that was The Flash before that was all that has exactly so I think kids are also seeing these incredible contracts that these guys are gay and I just saw today Reggie Bullock 20 million dollars shouts to Reggie. I mean, you know, it's a it's a great hall for Reggie Bullock and Julius Randle. I A great player, you know, you just got 60 million. So there's a lot to like about, you know wanting to be in the NBA and you know provide for your family and I think these kids are really see it as like if I put my mind to this and I can shoot like Steph or I can finish legs eye on you know, I could make a hundred million dollar dollar you don't think so. I think the kids are just getting better and better. I mean, they're phenomena at our slam Summer Classic last year. I mean these guys are this kids Ian Harmon is a high school player. I think it's a sophomore year I think is a junior now. He just played a Dyckman this past weekend. He's phenomenal like they just the balls like on a string. He's got handles like Kyrie. He can shoot the ball. Just really big you sooner pretty much pretty much. I think that's what people saying like, yeah. I'm sure sir Circa 1999 right there. So no, I think the kids are just or they're getting better better. So let's talk about let's talk about the slam classic summer. So this is your second year. Yeah, I deichman like a park. And you said August the 18th, August 18 Sunday August, by the way for those listening. This is probably going to roll out some time and I'd say Late July or August but it's July 1st. Yep, and the M3 agency Bedlam is fucking Upon Us. Yeah, but real quick before we get into that. The classic is especially this year given that it's diagnose 30th Anniversary. Yeah. There's a big like, you know, To do right. What what is it about? What made you guys decide? You know what let's do this and let's do it. I'd Eichmann right? So going back to when we bought it a couple of things we want to do. We gotta get big in high school. Yep, we want to do a game. We want to do merch want to sell hoodies t-shirts all that stuff. So when we were thinking of how would we do a game? We're what would be the way to bring a slam game to life? There's a lot of All American Games. You got the Jordan brand classic got McDonald's they're all in big arenas. So we thought what better way to put our spin on it than to do it at Dyckman in an iconic outdoor court with as much heritage's as any Court in the game after recording the game. So that was a pretty easy decision for us. I mean, the only difficult part is playing that whether game so we were supposed to the game at night last year the forecast was pretty bad. So we ended up getting the game off at about one o'clock. It was great. It was a beautiful Sun was shining. So it was just it fits slam. Yeah, I mean slam is straight. It's the essence of you know, kind of what we do and a lot of these kids haven't played in this atmosphere before so you bring these kids to Dyckman and you got everybody hanging on on the bleachers and the side rails and you know, if you show out there you're like a king but if you if you play any other no get dog, then you are just that you don't you know, it's a rap. I mean you can feel pretty embarrassed out there. So you know it just it It fits the brand really well and we have the best sophomores Juniors and seniors come normal. All Americans games is just the seniors that are graduating that are going on to college play D1. So and this is from all around the country from all around the country. So we'll flying guys from you know, California, even you know, we could find a guy from Canada if we if we wanted to so do you guys have the teams already established we have most of the guys are locked and we're going to have 20 of the 30 best players in the country regardless of class coming so it'll be a show can't wait. It'll be show for sure. Let's Jubilant, as will be there. Yes in our little corner. Let's do it. So you I think that's phenomenal but let's get into free agency talk. Yes. Okay. Okay, I told you before I admitted that. I'm an expense. Yeah. I'm an expand as well the fuck it let's just say it we struck out right big man. I wish I was on a group text with bunch of my colleagues and I said is James Dolan the biggest deterrent and professional sport. This is what I want to hear from a Kyrie or his care. Camp yeah, listen, I don't know James Dolan personally music just you know kind of seen his Antics from like the Charles Oakley things whatever so it's just it's sad honestly and to be fair. I'm actually I'm kind of hat not happy but the guys that we've gotten I really like Julius Randle if I think of our starting five you got you got Dennis Smith junior at the one it kind of he's it's TBD whether he's truly a point guard or not. Yep, but from a net from an athleticism standpoint at the next move is Freaks. Yeah, Dennis Smith at the one he got RJ at the two or three got Kevin Knox Mitchell Robinson now Julius Randle, who's a big boy? Yeah, like a big three for kind of like a three four five. I mean if you believe Cantor right he is the the Hops less or less hops, then Zion is how he he said as I was branded with hop Cantor. Yeah. Most Anderson trans. Oh, yeah, it was cancer said yeah, so like, I mean, that's not a bad comparison. Listen, I The team is Young and talented. I don't think an eight seed is out of the realm of possibility. I really don't if these guys can put it together. I like the youth. Like I said, I like the athleticism they all have like Dennis Smith can jump out of the gym a lot. True. Alonzo history are also really good player. So what I say, I'm really excited about the Knicks. No. No, but but not I'm not disappointed devastated, right and I'm not gonna like talk trash about any of the guys, but you know, even like the Kyrie The Cadiz they haven't been without you no turbulence over the chest couple of years, especially with the injuries with KD people are saying how can you not offer him the max? I mean, I think he's worth a Max but I also can understand why someone wouldn't want to lock in on your 40 million to some of the blue out there killing. I said as long as about the day I said, it's a buddy of mine now granny. I'm of the of the school of thought where you you offer the guy the money right? I let me let me say I would have done yes total, but I can't sit here and say How could you not do that? Right especially when you're thinking about it from a business standpoint like the risk and granted MSG prints money. Yeah, but that aside just straight-up business logic like you have certain amount of money to play with you're going to risk it all somebody who may not even be a shell of what he wants. I doubt that's gonna be the case, but I can understand it to a degree now. They judge it the next I've done a terrible job of appeasing their fanbase. Absolutely like the best thing they've done in the last 10 years. Well the director Chris Apps which I was way against a new to and workouts workout. Yeah Jackal RJ. Yeah, I get back this year - draft pick I've seen in years hands down. They made the right call. I was ready for them. Let's look at all like Gary's Garland. He's coming off an injury. I don't know. What's up with his knee. Whatever if you pass on RJ there we're back to I might just until I can spare. I'm a Pelicans fan for him. That's the reason I love Pelicans this year. I think they're gonna be amazing to watch his might this is my call. Pelicans over Lakers the first round of playoffs. Wow. You heard it here first, uh nurse. Oh, you're dribbling dimes pelley's over Lakers LaRon or ad first puppy at full strength first. I want a podcast. Here we go. Drop it drop and buckets over here is over Lake shell that I would love to see that. I would love to see that's that's a hell like fucking story looks like crazy. It's not crazy thought, you know, what might be crazy and people my battery for this. I don't know if the leg is make the playoffs. Whoo that if he gets to the question, I listened it all comes down to help if you if you get 60 games from AED and 60 games from LeBron. Yeah, you're in the play It's hard hundred percent. The reason I say Pelicans over Lakers is because I'm not so sure that you're going to have both those guys healthy going into the playoffs right like you need to be very careful with them. Right and it would also help if they got some if they got some help not that I mean LeBron a Navy alone you probably me and Manny on the squad get Dennis. Yeah, that's true. You can get some doves. That's true. That's bad and I have to Global so I'll be I guess good be right out but the what I mean, but the West is you got it's wide open and but look you got Portland hmm still ferocious group. You don't you don't believe him. I'm an eye Denver. I'll tell Denver. I love Denver. I don't still got somebody about Michael Porter Jr. Exactly how we got to this bastard maxed out your mom hurry and I still got Yo catch so I think Denver if you had to say to me right now who comes out of the West I would say Denver. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. November and who would I say comes out of the East that's a tough one. I mean if Kawaii stays in Toronto, I don't buy I don't think he will. Yeah, I don't know. I don't talk in the Sixers are I was talking about them. They are long and you got more Horford Simmons. These are some Tobias Harris. Yeah, they got Jay Rich to I mean, here's some big boys, but the Peloton for the Pelicans by far to me them and the Pacers the Pacers came up on some players. Yeah, they got. Oh, don't forget. Top I think you talk you talk got some time with to now they got Conley and Donna Mitchell. That's probably the best defensive back hard in the NBA up. Oh shit favors is now the Pelicans today. That's a pretty girl that's on the onstage re kind of deal with him. This is released. He'll be a pelican. Yeah, so there's a lot of fun shit going on. There's a lot of Bloodshed but going back to the Pelicans. I remember last year when they made the original offer for a d and I was even say man, that's a hall. Yeah, and you take that but then people were like you realize then you're just the Lakers. As in New Orleans, right? And I was like, you're not wrong. No sure Lakers right now. We're not very good. Right but now you take those guys and you at Zion that's a different. That's not the link. That is not the like this not look like no that is a different Beast so somebody what's your thought? I know it's fucking ass is going to be but like the fucking Lottery right this year above all year. This is the year. The Knicks were supposed to actually get the first pick not really though. They had the worst record, but this was the year that I'm saying if that All didn't change this would have been the year where the probabilities should have worked in. Our famous still wouldn't have gotten it. Yeah, there's no way I thought they're hanging the five pick. They still wouldn't have gotten this true. I mean no, but listen, I think it's tough because you want to prevent you want to decentralize people from tanking kind of cute, you know, it's that sucks. I mean going being a fan and going to a game and like even when you have these guys rest, I understand the goal is to win an NBA championship, but the NBA is also an entertainment organizations, right? So, If you buy a ticket to a Raptors game, you're probably going cause you want to Seco I play if you're buying a ticket to a Lakers game. You're probably going to want to see LeBron and AD play. You know, you took Little Johnny for his birthday you so excited to see if it's his favorite player, you know, he's shit out of luck because I gotta rest up here our studio. So It's Tricky. I totally get it. I don't disagree with either party whether it's the fans or the team they both have their reasons, but Yeah, I think the lottery is it's fair the way it is now, I agree with you. It's fair. I just hate that helping to come free fair when the fucking Knicks were o'clock. That's very nice Ian. It is a very Nixie and you know what, we do my buddy. Tell me what you think about this now. Think about this right you get the Mets terrible organization orange and blue orange and blue, right? Yeah, the next terrible organizational engine look to your jets fan and a yeah, but just for kicks, but I got the Yankee so I'm good. So sorry orange and blue. Yeah, and then you've got so right and then you flip that and you look at the Rangers right in red white and blue. Yeah fucking perennial Champions all the time. They got something there competing. All right, you got the Giants maybe this year. I don't know because we picked up a fucking done for a quarterback. But in fact, he meant fan. You've been good for laughing you Bill writing good. You better write can't complain. So what about just changing the team colors? Aha. Why don't we do that? That can't be that hard. It wouldn't be that too much hair. Aged, man, fuck the heritage in like too much. You're just punch. We don't have that much Heritage. We got 10 Chambers ships as Tri hex, but it because it's the mecca man. I used to be you change it, but I'll tell you what the worst part about the KD Kyrie whole Saga is that like they went right across the bridge right there like right there. Yeah. It's like the biggest fuck you. Yeah. I was holding. Like, how do you come to New York? And not play at the Garden. Yeah, there's no disrespect the Barclays. Oh, no, it's a dope place. But and you know, what's crazy Madison Square Garden something to sell out every game doesn't matter doesn't matter. They're still the tickets are still going to be expect which is why the Knicks won't change. I was I thought I was hoping bezels was gonna buy the team you heard that rumor. I did it ago. I would have loved this. Yeah. I'm not perpetuating everything anything. I think this was this was out there. That would have been crazy. I have this sick twisted scenario. You got Carmelo's practically blackballed from the league Alana bring back to the no. No, he's practically blackballed. Yeah, right and he's part of the banana boat crew. Right? So Brandy wait out of retirement. Well, no on the ownership side. Oh, no, so so basically what you guys did with slam you guys they go and they get partner up with some fucking amazing investor and then they come in and buy the team but that would require some dirt coming out on Dolan. And if some random wild shit is on he's not gonna sell it seen I wouldn't sell the team nothing. This is nothing new man. I can't be mad at him for not selling the TST kidding me what I wanted to happen. I'm with you I'm with you. You just gotta grin and bear it fucking persevere. Yep. Exactly. What what's on the horizon for slam? Like what? What's the next six months looking? Like, I know you got the classic coming. Yeah. We got the classical. No, that's all hands on deck for that right now. Just continuing to build great content put out great merchandise. And come up with new cool things to do in the world of basketball. I mean we're going to do more events. We may do more we may do more games films any films films. Yes. We actually slam is our producer of this stuff Marbury documentary. That was just a Sundance. Okay. So that's going to be I don't even know when the release date is but slam is is involved in that and I threw it in a big way. Yeah. It's our sister company JDS Sports. Okay, they own a company called 1091 media 1091 media bought the rights to a kid from Coney Island, which is a Stephon Marbury documentary and slam will be very involved in how that goes to Market. I love it. Yeah, what would you say is the biggest highlight of your slam career thus far I'm buying it back. Hmm easy. I mean that's that's that's a great. I mean to go from a kid reading this thing. Have you had told me that one day I would you know be a part owner and my name would be at the top of the Mast Mast head with the guy who founded it. You know, I pinched myself out. So I wanted to play in the league but I told you all those dreams die fast at a young age. So, you know, what better way to continue to be in the world of basketball than work for the publication that shaped kind of who you were as a fan as you know, I spoke at a camp a couple days ago. It was put on by this organization called we will through it's and they had me come and just from you know, add on the strength of my podcast. They felt like I would be somebody who could speak to these kids and I spoke to them about the importance and significance of Thinking Beyond just the hope dream, right? You are prime example of kind of what I was talking about because you know admittedly you peaked at 11, right? And so and I told them this myself I was like yo, my game was wife is cooking, you know compared to the people around me like my game is trash so I was like I needed to get involved because I'm such a passionate fan of the game. I was like I wanted to get involved in the game. So my brother and I we decided you know, let's do a podcast and dribbling down and allocate the big level. I'm in The Slammer, but it's very interesting to me because like you especially you guys you have a pretty serious hand and kind of really moving the culture of basketball right? And you guys do it from such a organic Enoch but also genuine place right? It's not like doctored up media bullshit like you guys are really in the in the real essence of it. How hard is it to maintain that it's really not that hard. Okay, because that's just who we are everyone that works here is a super passionate fan of the game pretty much everybody has played at some level and you know, you bring up like New Media companies. There's a lot of you know, sexy Tech startups as we have competitors that are a couple years old that have Crazy amount of fans. Yeah more fans than us. But we have 25 years of legacy and Heritage and people respect that and it's a voice that has been groomed over many years and the people that we hire we see something in them that you know shows us that they can continue that Legacy for slab. So that's not something you can buy. No, you know, you can you could start, you know, JoJo's basketball website tomorrow, you can go get a million fans on Instagram doesn't matter. It's It's similar to how you got a lot of non-basketball people trying to do basketball shit like a you programs or like, you know coaching kids that don't have a fucking clue of what basketball really is, but they watched a few YouTube videos and now they feel like they're you know qualified. Yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah, the, you know the evolution of the game particularly in with New York being the backdrop to you what who in your tenure just being a part of Slam but also just fan of the of Game being local who would you say stands out as like the most significant player that's come out of your time my time and being a fan of the game particularly from the New York area over in the New York area. I mean it probably have to be Steph. I mean the he that was in the mid 90s. I don't working at slam toe 2008 but you are a fan already. Oh, yeah, I was a fan already. I mean Steph was like a god in New York. I mean he was Allen Iverson in New York. Yeah and Allen Iverson is arguably the biggest, you know, athlete biggest basketball player and slams history. He kind of epitomizes what slam is about right that kind of renegade rebellious hip-hop Swagger changed hanging out jersey fro puffed out. You know, he was like an iconic picture to yeah that company could buy it on a t-shirt shop. That's lamblion.com. Boom. You're here for a reason game. So yeah, I mean, he also had Bassy Sebastian Telfair steps cousin who was phenomenal. I hope I'm not forgetting anybody but we had to cover with LeBron on Sebastian when they were at least questions crazy, you know, that's he was a junior LeBron was a senior. It was amazing. Yeah, since though she was amazing. Was it here did that happen here? No, the only benefits office for like two years. That was probably like a studio somewhere somewhere in New York it Hip-Hop Hip-Hop and you talked about the iconic convergence of Hoops and Hip Hop, which is Allen Iverson. How does I mean I know what the answer is but like you guys embraced it, right? There's a lot of magazines or people that cover well now less but back in the day there wasn't a lot of Allowability called it for the Two Worlds to converge even though it was always, you know, a part of Hoops culture. You guys really brought it embraced it but also highlighted right and that continues till today what what are the more significant things you guys are doing to kind of really showcase that that marriage of hip-hop and Hoops well, and then we touched on this before actually before I started recording, but we had Drake on the cover, you know two years ago. Your next Adam are and Kyrie that was huge for us. I mean at that point Drake wasn't doing any media whatsoever. And I'm going to take credit for this idea. And I said, what is that? Why don't we why don't we do Drake with the Raptors? And the sentiment in the office was like dude, you're not getting you're not getting Drake. I guess not going to happen, you know and I was like to he puts on for the Raptors quite a bit. Right? Like I don't know if he was officially named the Raptors Ambassador like he is now but I was like, let's see if we can get in touch with him and see if he'll do it and we reached He was like I'm down let's go. So just like that just like that. So that was that was great getting so that was the first hip-hop athlete. I'm hip hop athlete. He was the first, you know, rapper song singer songwriter, whatever. It is on the cover of Slam. So that was that was that was the Schnur idea. That was - I'm going to take credit for that. I stole it was a snare idea. So talk about reaching for the Stars. Yeah. I mean, he's the biggest, you know entertainer right now, and that was that was new and very cool and kind of Just was a perfect slam thing that came together just made a lot of sense and then did sales pop as a result. Do you remember like sales? Pop up the magazine issue? I can't remember. Okay, I can't remember. I think it probably did fairly. Well. Yeah, but you know, a lot of people aren't people aren't buying slan necessarily because they want to see Drake show ever and I'm sure people shat all over that. They're like, why is he on the cover? You know, but you get hate every time you give a course we had Zion on the cover when he was in high school right now. Looks like a freaking home right look when we put them on people were like that kid is dunking on some 5 to you know, white boys in South Carolina. That can't eat that wouldn't even play on my varsity team right like it with this kid. Let's see if this kid can't even play. How is he making on the cover of Slam? And now look at him that looks like a pretty good. This is that was a pretty good decision. It slams that if she's not no, I'm not taking Credit Now I was I was very excited about it, but I can definitely not take credit for that and then we're doing And we did a couple episodes of a show with TJ Porter which hasn't been released yet. He's a local New York rapper. Yeah, we had Dave East in the magazine a couple years ago and he was super hyped about it. He like one on his Instagram and was going through the magazine talking about how you know, he grew up on Slam and he was a ballplayer to yeah, where do you play towels and he plays in town. So I think yeah. Yeah, you know, there's this everyone always says every basketball player wants to be a rapper and rapper wants to be a basketball player. So we try and marry that when the opportunity presents itself and You know, we just had we've had great writers over the years guys like scoop Jackson who are legends the on the editorial side and he was with slam for many years and wrote some iconic pieces for slams. So I love I love I love with you guys do I'm a big fan. I got to give a big shout-out to Kyle krakauer for connecting us. What's up, crack the crack it was it was a nice vote of confidence from him to even connect us because I know how similar your brother-in-law Right like for somebody to give you the look right? You gotta like yeah, you either gotta be really in that person's good graces. I gotta know something about you, right? I felt the same way when cry put us in touch house I shit. That's that's dope. Thank you for the vote of confidence on this is great. It's my first pot. There you go. It was just a great experience on episode two. They Schnur time with it. So you guys are doing a lot of different things in media, right? We talked about the magazine the site where you guys got some podcast some original content on the video side. Tell us a little bit more about what those are and where people can find it. We're just trying to be everywhere that everyone is in some form or fashion. So podcasting is huge. Now. We just started a podcast link we've done three or four episodes called the chasm Vic show. Yep. It's on Himalaya the Himalaya Network and get on Spotify and iTunes not even our righteous not even around anymore Apple podcast, maybe have a podcast. So we're in the OR and podcasting we're doing stuff like with the staff documentary Kitty from Coney Island. So that's like, you know major a film release we're doing we have all sorts of episodic content that we do for slam whether it's day in the life, you know with an NBA player or a high school play or we have a show called urine or we sit down with the guys on our cover and just give them a bunch of rapid-fire questions. So, you know building content doing a lot on the merch side. We do all these covered t-shirts with Mitchell and nests So Dope that have iconic covers on them that you can buy on our store and those have been phenomenal sellers for us since we started selling them about a year ago. So just doing as much as we can and all these different parts of the game. That's what's our next mission Arc is Ami you young dude, you got a wild lion continue to build. Yeah continue to build with slam and you know stay at the top of the mountain. I love it. Are you still hoping now? I'm not I I probably get a good running maybe two or three times a year and then I'll go in my backyard. I gotta almost four year old and an almost one year old. So, you know, we'll get some shots up on the on the Little Tykes in the morning, you know, the green and blue joint get some of those Those are some of the trays out with my little list and my my two guys, so that's that's the most of the basketball I play now is on the Little Tykes with my boys laughter. I'm actually I've been meaning to go my neighborhood and go to The JCC is he was popping in there because they had a mess facility. So I'm about to go see if I can get back on to him. Yeah, I just gotta make sure to stretch bro. Yo stretch it out. Do your toe touches your my achilles. Let me tell you Michael is I feel like bitch like Yaman. That's when I found out that I got a buddy that blew out his At least I went to school with him but his Achilles came back rehab blew out his other Achilles kit that I mean that horror stories man, and that's not like that. That's a that's a big incentive biggie. That's like ACL tear like talked about, you know, a finger jammed three weeks. I hate gym. I pick up but you know, yeah, but sucks swollen fucking finger prediction on Soldier. I like the keep it going and you put some bass in your voice. I like that. He's your prediction Boogie cousins. What do you think? He's gonna end up Boogeyman? Where is Boogie gonna go? I'll say Lakers MSA Lakers. I like it one year prove prove it out with one year, maybe two years 20 million or something shit. Yeah, something like that. I was hoping the next but now with all the stuff that's gone down. I don't think it's going to happen. That is a complete shot in the dark. I have no clue. No, I'm just thinking of something up. He wanted to go to the worst Irwin and ship now where could he go right you can go to Lakers Lakers need a good player. Maybe maybe that doesn't matter. AJ I could like a workout I like it. Yeah, I like it. What else you got? What else you got for me? I really just I kind of want to see you play ball, bro. No, you know, I need to not a pretty picture. I need to see if these homeless person the homeless man. Hold on. JJ Redick is real super homeless. Hahaha super homeless. JJ JJ is not flowing anymore. I think I try and I've tried to change my form so many times over the years and I'll do it one day and I'm like, oh my God, I finally figured it out. Right and then I get into a game and I start my shit look so. Stop like the person action is very different. I was doing that the other day I was like, you know by myself and I thought I had it figured out and then we're playing a game of horse wasn't even anything crazy, but the pressure of doing it. I know yeah totally totally but I'm a gunner man. I keep going I'll be like, oh four eight and then I'll Splash and I'm like boom it was worth it another 10 coming for you right now. I love it jump-starts. Yes less John Starks 95 Rocket series in the flesh. That's all we got. That's where that's where my game is right now. Yo, Dave, man. Yeah, I got everything I wanted I do brother. I appreciate it. A lot of fun. I'm glad I hope that really and truly you're first podcast experience was a good one. Was he doing it again? Good good. Yeah, man, you should pop into just slam slam joins every now and again, give give a couple words. It will see how a great out on this one. All right, perfect. Perfect. You're my brother. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Thank For listening to this episode of dribble and Dives if you like what you heard, please leave a review or comment wherever you listening to us now check us out on social media as well. 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Hey, guys, I'm Chelsea Stark Jones and I am joined with Ashley Daniels has yes. Hi. We're missing our men. I know Ronnie Ronnie. Oh, I promised we'd all be together. So one day I think I think there's fully implementing me back into the Real Housewives panel by just giving me one person at a time. Just hear me out. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it, but not too much happened this episode, but we're still kind of like laying the groundwork like A acquainting ourselves with the women. So let's just Dive Right In. What were your well, what were your initial thoughts so far this episode. That was great. I thought it was very interesting to see the ladies having this confrontation. I mean, I just remembered Orinda and Luann being so close and being I don't know Unstoppable together. So to see them in this situation now, it's it's a lot of drama early on we don't usually get this much this quickly. Yeah, so did and there weren't you? Too stubborn women and I think that's why it feels like it's not going anywhere and it's just building. I also really enjoyed the stuff with Bethany this episode. It was very heartfelt. I almost started crying but we'll get into that a little bit later. But yeah, we start off with the Clambake the controversial Clambake the infamous Clambake has been hearing all about. Yeah. So the render did not know she got disinvited remote it kind of takes her. A job at Barbara when she first comes in and says in her confessional that she feels like she was never really her type of girl because she was a little bit too masculine a manly it's such a Ramona thing to do is like take a dig at somebody. Yeah, and then we learn a little bit more from Bethany that Dennis actually proposed to her and April and I didn't I didn't know that he proposed she was wearing his the engagement ring that he gave her it was Private was something that kept between themselves. Yeah. It was a very Interesting situation for Bethany because she wasn't a hundred percent ready to marry him. Although she loved him but there were a lot of things that she kept personal but I think we can all assume that they weren't on the same page that moment in time. Yeah. She had mentioned that was a very awkward proposal because it wasn't that she said yeah, she said well, we still need to figure out this and this look look the logistics pretty much. Yeah, because Tinsley pointed it out. It was the first time Tinsley hadn't run into Bethenny I think she also said she was dead inside at that moment what she says later on when she talked about it, but we don't know exactly what she's referring to but we can probably assume has something to do with the residue of just this what seven-year battle in court with Jason Hoppy and I think just failed relationships, you know happening one after the other for her and having this custody battle and then having everything going on with that and the be A TV star and being a mom I think was probably so much that she was like, okay like engagement for me. Like right now I'm going to place where yeah, it's just too much. Yeah, he was dreaming more. I think he wanted something more which is so sweet. Yeah. It's very romantic. But yeah, of course the the blondes come into the party and we see Luanne kind of get a little bit confrontational with Ramona asking like are we going to talk about this and Ramona just like No, do we think she should have just addressed it and squashed it and bend over like done with it. I think that no, I don't think so. I think she handled it. Well, yeah. Yeah, did you do I think Ramona handles are well. Yeah. No. No, of course. No, sorry. I understand your question. Yeah, if handled the Luann confrontational about what like okay, or she should have addressed Luann and the issues that they have been having. I think she could have a I said I don't think she handled it. Well at all. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of felt that the way in which Luann brought it up to her was a little bit aggressive. Yeah, but I do think Ramona could at least spoken to her and Barbara romantic goes and runs to Barbara and talk to Barbara about it and Ramona's just doesn't she doesn't back down and it I love her. I think she's hilarious, but she'd never really sees when she's wrong or well except when she's wrong. So yeah with Barbara she was upset that, you know you spreading these rumors about her getting kicked out of that guy's party and Ramona's like well, she'd even deny it she you know, will she dodged when at the beginning she didn't want to talk to the land but yes in regard to Barbara and being kicked out of Chris purchase party Barbara made that clear that was not the case and said she was actually with Luann well with Luann that moment so then of course Ramona goes backward and Well, also this happened yet another event and she said we're not talking about that right now. We're talking about Chris Burch is party. So she was kind of caught in a lie in that situation because I do believe Barbara Barbara was with her. Why would you make that up exactly reason to so yeah, I yeah and Ramona didn't say sorry. I was wrong or anything like that. She did like go back and come up with another story about Luann. I love Sonja is lying about like Ramona's only like Phil cares about Luann's right a variety. Yeah. I was just going to actually ask you that because it do you think she do you think that she does because there is a part of Ramona that excuse me. Mmm, even when Bethenny was going through her health issues, I think last season bleeding. Yeah. Ramona was the one that called her every day. Yeah, and when Bethenny's father died, I remember Ramona called her every day. Ramona is a very she's a caretaker. So in this situation I I think she and said her inserted herself As a caretaker friend, but do you think that she was concerned? I was actually having this thought on my way. And today I think that all these women care for one another unlike a deeper level because they've been through it together for so long that they're willing to take these Digs at one another and like slight each other and whatnot. But like at the root of it. I do think she cares I do but I think she she gets in her own way and covers it up with like these nasty like remarks and that moment when Barbara was confronting her about like spreading these rumors. I don't think she particularly cared but like like when she was going through it at the time like getting back into rehab and all that stuff. I do think she cared now, I think she's like over it like you're talking about too much like who whatever but yeah. I think they all have one another's back and I and that's something I do really appreciate about this. Shows because they've known each other for their genuine friendship. I think it's also and I don't know if you were going to bring Subs, but I'm gonna going on to Ramona. She's talking about the tension that she felt and why she didn't feel comfortable going over to Bethany and when they were discussing Bethany losing dentist. Yeah, and they asked they asked her if she had texted Bethany's they asked Ramona if she texted Bethany Barbara and so needed in a She also reached out and she said I just texted her and then I said this is the time to go over right now. And she said no, I don't want to go over right now. There's too much tension over there. Louis could say something to me. I don't think she's proud of that moment as we saw and I'm sure you guys have heard who are listening or watching right now the news that Ramona felt awful about some of the digs she gave tonight regarding Dennis. She said she was just horrified at how she and that's not a direct quote, but she did not feel proud of the things that she said tonight. So I'm sure this is one of those moments. Wasn't too proud of but what do you think about that moment when she decided I mean those cameras are on her just like cameras there and she doesn't want to walk over and talk about Dennis. I actually I was gonna bring this up and I kind of understood where she was coming from because she just had she had just walked over there and Luann kind of like barked at her. Yeah, and so like I could see what it would be intimidating for her to let go over there. But the same time I don't think Bethenny would have liked I don't want your apology or whatever like I don't it wouldn't have been something. Nasty, but I do understand why she was a little bit intimidated by the situation. I think if maybe Bethany was like standing off on her own or like with another group of friends. Like she would have felt a little bit more comfortable doing so but I think she was nervous and that in that in that situation, but as Bethany was over there in that section with with Tinsley and Luann she started talking about a man that has like kind of come back into her life. I have never grieved someone. That I was dating in a relationship. So I don't know but what did you do? You feel like it's too soon. I mean Dennis passed away in late. May I don't think there are any rules and I got anybody can pass any judgment not saying you are. Yeah, I don't think we have any any right to speak on that because we don't know what it's like. Yeah, so I don't I think whatever whatever she's doing and whatever she feels is best for her and her in her situation. And yeah, like I can't I can't speak on that know for sure and I just think like I feel like Bethenny's a very smart woman. Woman and she wouldn't do something if she wasn't ready for it. And so like hearing it like hearing her talk about going on a date. Like I was like that's fell so fast, but then at the same time, it's like I feel like she's very self aware. Yeah. She said she's bringing it to the table or later. She's like I'm you know, I'm this is the situation I'm currently in if you want to date me, that's fine. But I'm still grieving. She's not trying to you know, oh, well, whatever. She's feeling her feelings. Yeah, so the party's going on. Everyone seems to be Having a good time and then we hear someone's alarm going off. Yeah, Sonya set an alarm for for yes to leave. I have you ever like gone to a party with like your phone set like I'm going to matter for a certain amount of time after never but you always learn something from these ladies. I thought was Tinsley it to I didn't honestly I do this. She was about tensley was one of the most Tinsley it was her alarms positive because it was last week we were talking about this and I remember now that you say that was Tinsley to had it Ramona set her. Ramona asked Tinsley to put the alarm on so they knew until leave and that's horseshit and I won't take your thunder you can talk about what they do before they leave. I mean just so rude so they still some lobsters just a few just a few lobsters whole lobsters and I'm a lobster tail but the full Lobster I understand like Barb was pretty clear like you take something home for dinner and I like I feel bad she's not here. Yeah, so I understand them doing that but to go to someone's party and take the food home and not Eat at the party like I just felt like that was so tacky. I mean, I think it's like like Bethenny said likes it there. There are moments. She had to leave they had to go back and Cedar in De there are some items you can take because you aren't able to eat at the party. I'm Italians my mom gives everybody food before they leave no matter what the painters in containers of food because she overcooks anyway, so I'm used to making sure everybody has food on the way out but lobsters are different. They're very expensive and less she had a large amount of them. I think a few Also, I understand like what if those were the lobsters that they were going to eat there. It's like wow, I think wanted to enjoy them but they had to leave. I totally understand it. Then I'm leaving to go home to Rhonda. I'm like kind of showing they're like, yeah, I'm loyal to her but like want to sneak in the bag. Yeah, totally eat it there eat your meal there and then take the booty back home and it's just like I tend to leave poor thing. Looks like Luann like kind of barked at her like you could see her like Yeah, this isn't my idea. Yeah, like I feel rude. Yeah Southern Miss is that the contest this is not a list of things to do to Countess like not all yeah. I totally thought was super unnecessary, but comedic all at the same time totally. Yeah. I loved it. I'm so the woman did Scurry home and get back to the rinda who actually was hoping they were out a little bit longer because she want to watch some Law and Order. 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Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV, but we still see Lou order in distill hurting over Luann's comments the comments that she's made in the tabloids and like I think that's directly the heart of dorinda's issue. Is that like she hates when people attack her when it comes to drinking. Yep, even though I do think she has a questionable Behavior. when she does drink, but she she still is hurting over and I just don't see her letting it go at all and and vice versa with Luann like they're just like so stubborn and so stuck in their ways and I don't think they have I think I think Bethany is a good person in the middle because I think she cares for them both equally but I think everyone else around them is kind of like helping it stay divisive if that makes Any sense, what are your thoughts about about them potentially coming back together? I don't think anybody's my opinion. I think I was being divisive. I think that Barbara is trying to mend the situation but I think that darina won't have it because karynda likes to control the situation without having other people come in and speak on her behalf or speak on Luann's we have she wants to have and I think she has every right to want to have it between the two of them. I think when people people get involved even with the best intentions becomes sticky situation, especially when that person is friends with both of them. Yeah. So in this case, I think that no matter what to rinda and she even said it doesn't feel like she necessarily needs to apologize. She thinks she needs to I don't know the exact quote but just be be me just be me and go move forward and not go backwards. Exactly. It looks like they're going to just wants to like pretend none of this has happened and You too, if you did the Giovanni that yeah, I mean, it's funny though. I mean, it's it's made it's cold totally. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that with the Giovanni situation, she that's the moment that she said she don't wanna go backwards and bomber brought that up the heckling and I know now, I mean spoiler alert, but I know now that they are they are closed again. I think I read it today. I forget which article but they're they're working on it and they're clear again and I mean we saw that coming anyway, but it's interesting to see them in this stage. And I wonder if when they're watching it it brings up any old feelings. Yeah things and just an aggravations just about I don't know the what they did and whether or not they are actually apologetic about it because I think there's a part of her into that when she watches herself. She does feel a little sorry about whatever she'd said or did I think they all do yeah. I'm totally sure that they do but Do I think what I was trying to say is and you hit it, like right right on was yeah when two people get involved no matter if they have good intentions or not. Like it just it puts too much pressure on the situation and like it doesn't really the end result that everyone wants. It doesn't really end up happening. So I kind of feel like that's a situation with these girls as it's just like everyone has an opinion and they it's a good like positive but like it's not it's not serving that purpose I guess right and so they're back at the house or having a good time. They're talking about this party that the window was invited to and somehow it kind of got lost on me how Dennis got brought up and but Ramona made a really tacky comment and I really like not tasteful comment about Dennis saying how smart can he be if you know he was on drugs, so I can't I'm blanking on how know I might even came up. I think it just came. Open the top. They were just talking about the day and they were talking about Beth and not apologizing to Bethany young person and then Ramona said that but you can see in that moment Ramona knew she had she had gone way too far. And I mean, like I said before she did apologize for this and she feels horrible that she said it she was drinking. That's no excuse. I think it was Sonia who said even when you drink it shouldn't bring you to that level. Yeah something of that nature. She said believe it was her. Yeah. It was okay. So it's sad because you Lies when you're on TV and you're drinking and we know we all have done something or said something that we wish we didn't but because it's just so comfortable when you have a drink you're just like oh, yeah, but in this case even at her power level Ramona is an OG of all the I mean not just New York. She's the OG like one of them. She's up there with video on the founding and mother is she doesn't have the power to go back and say to the to the production team. Hey look, can we Take this out. Yeah. Nobody does I don't think yeah and it's scary because I can only imagine what went through her mind after that and whether or not she got people involved to try to erase that and added that out. But if they did that they it's obvious that that to do with everybody. Yeah. That's a that's a that's going to be hard to come back there. It really really will be and I can only imagine how Bethenny feels watching it, but she she she did to her credit little credit try to backtrack. On it and you know, I don't I want to honor him or whatever you could tell she was she was drunk but like Sonia said there's no excuse for something like so nasty to say about someone that has passed and it's specifically about someone and and that's what like when you asked like do you think she has good intentions? Like I think she genuinely cares about Bethany and her well-being but she says stupid stuff like that that puts it into question, you know, absolutely so so yeah, I think I think the comment will come back to bite him. A little bit later later on in the season and definitely 3 Union when everyone gets to see see back and Bethany get to see it again. But yeah, and that's kind of how that night ended and the Hamptons the weekend at the Hamptons was was over. Mmm-hmm. Yes. Yes. So, how do you want to share something with yes? Yes. All right. So guys before we move on to the next topic. We just want to say thank you for making us the PN of t v talk and for us to continue to grow we can definitely use your help and you guys have always been great about this. I've been here many years and I have seen unbelievable the same people have traveled throughout all of these shows and commented and liked and subscribed and we are so thankful. 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So thank you for listening to that and we are going to get back to the New York Housewives. Recap. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that and I definitely second at yeah, it is a great place and you have a log good bonds here and stuff absolutely all the support counts and matters to us and love love hearing you guys in the child also. So yeah, but back to that size and we're back in our kind of reactivating to the city life after being in the Hamptons for a little while. Yeah, we're getting back into the swing of things. We and and speaking of swing of things Lillian actually dancing to we got her in the cab racing. Yeah and get to that but it had to say it was leaning back into it dancing back into and she's talking about water. Yes water actually has two homes on the water. She's got her new apartment in the city. And then she also has her house Upstate which I'm a little bit confused about because I thought that was the issue with the lawsuit with her children. I don't think that I Fully went through. Okay, that was something that they were talking about but I don't think they actually ever ended up suing and I don't want to put my phone on but if you want to check it out just to double check but I don't think they ever ended up suing but if you guys want to comment and let us know love to know I almost positive that this became something bigger due to the media. Yeah actually ended up being resolved. My understanding was that she was trying to sell their Hamptons home so that she could buy this Upstate home and that it didn't go through. Through the there was no actual lawsuit. So I so maybe she found another way to buy the home Upstate or whatever. I got some very classic Countess Vibes and her discussion about her homes. I was like, okay like as much as I love seeing you riding on a floating on the flute with your clothes on and being this new Luann that's embracing being like totally like human and just like every other Average Joe. We got that moment of or not. I'm in the home like oh, she's still there a little bit. Yes, the very the very Lively and and crazy Luann. I'm very much. Okay. I know you're a hero Luann fan. I'm an everyone. Yeah. Okay. I yeah, so I know Leah is writer die Luann and I believe Ronnie also feels this way. I am not so close to Louisiana of as close of a relationship to win as the others do hi. Um, I find her to be like, I think she's great television. Vision I think she's hilarious but I just like it's still so pretentious to me. I'm like, I'm noxious and a bit like her talking about the Cabaret and like the hon. It's just going to get a boat to know this like other stuff. I'm just like I can't with you. I don't know maybe it maybe I'm just way too cheap to run de or I don't know what it is. I don't know. I've honestly I've been lucky enough to have interviewed all of them at this point for AfterBuzz several times and Luann was one of the few I got to interview in person and I will say she was awesome. Yeah like it so I can only go by I want to see on TV and then that small moment of having an interview which who knows if someone's being completely authentic in an interview setting but she was awesome. Yeah, I was funny and she was a promoter and Dorinda in the three of them together. I was just like I feel like I'm one of the girls really I didn't get any conscious Vibes - okay, let's put this two years ago. So I don't know because I do feel like this. I don't know. I have an uneasy feeling about Luann but I do feel like she is someone that is like very easy to talk to. To like especially in a media space because I think she knows the game. Like I think she understands understands how she needs to look and portray herself. I hear ya. But yeah, I just I don't know and then we jump to Bethenny who's actually in North Carolina. She's continuing her be strong Foundation. Yes woman is amazing. She really was it was very it was very touching. She gets back to North Carolina. I believe is Hurricane Harvey and to help help the shelter and help to Aid their it wasn't as bad as a hurricane as it was predicted to be Still a lot of work to be done. So we actually got to see her more so she was and she also can explain. How is a lot more controlled area as opposed to Puerto Rico and like other places that she's been too. So she did get to go to these shelters more and like, you know hand out these gift cards and whatnot. And can we give a shout out to Michael? Yes, Michael who's been 90 times to Haiti Michael who's dedicated his life to these types of causes. Yeah. He has been I mean, I don't even know anything. Thing about him other than what she said tonight and I literally was I was in good. I was just Goosebumps. Yeah, that's imagine living a life like that. You can dedicate every part of your being to helping others. It was really touching and I also touching it. He wasn't the guy that durendal was arguing with go out there right now. I don't think that was the same guy. Okay? Okay don't but I if you guys know I know there's a lot of diehards listening right now that are like, oh no, I know his first last name and know you're tough. Let us know but I don't think that way I wasn't sure but like Was the first thing when she said Haiti because I remember that was the funniest like yeah. Yeah, totally eyelash. I love her. But yeah, that was not one of her best moment. So then we have Beth. Yeah, we have are going around to the shelters and it seemed like a very therapeutic trip for her and she's studying. I'm not going to cry today because about Dennis because people are crying. Oh, you're not having a hold of you. I know it was puts life into perspective. It really does. It really does it does but I mean, it's so like it's it just still battling a loss though is still just as hard as what these people are going through as well. And then we're back in the city with the window and she invites Barber to have lunch. No, she had an issue with Barbara because she Uninvited her to to her Clambake and felt like she was getting in the middle of this feud between her and Luann, right and we kind of see and I kind of understand where dorinda's coming from because she's you know last year this time bar. Was on the outs with Luann and during the claims like she didn't really get in the middle of it. She didn't try to fiddle with it and she kind of just like Let It Be and so did see that flash. But yeah, yeah for anybody that doesn't know that was a flashback to that it was there when they were on the boat. Yeah. Yeah, they were on the boat and we over here Barbara saying that Luann would rather marry and get a divorce versus calling off the wedding. Yeah, so examine to insert that into your statement. Yeah. So we see that Luann and Barbara did have a kind of rocky relationship. Not even that long ago. I know. So crazy, it's so crazy and to know that she was on the people that helped her get healthy and stuff like that. Like yeah, so it doesn't show that they actually do have a true friendship and genuine friendship that they could drop whatever is going on between Holly to like take care of one another which is cool. But the Run does point was like I didn't bother you with that. So please like but out and like let duranta or Luann and I kind of deal with it. I I see where she's coming from. I just feel like the wind is just such a very direct person that it does bother her to have. Like so many people like somebody opinion so many chefs in the kitchen, you know, yep, but I also what kind of I listen to the podcast last week. What are your thoughts on Barbara? I'm a little bit confused of her placing on the cast because I feel like they're almost treating her like a full-blown housewife but not at the same time. I always think they're testing. Yeah. I always think they're testing and I think that in this situation, she's been she's definitely Been an asset. I mean without her none of this would have occurred but I don't see her long-term. I don't I just think that after this situation is resolved. I mean she's funny but I don't go after the situation is resolved. They won't necessarily need her because they already have so many people like you said to cook they have so many cooks in the kitchen and so many personalities and they're not lacking anywhere some of these some of these Housewives franchise is now they're lacking in so many ways and they have the oh, geez just like holding everybody up. And in this case, everybody's know Jimmy except tensley, but Tinsley, I like Tinsley, I want to see more of her to see if I could live without tensley out of all them obviously. Yeah, but yeah, and I think like I know that I don't want to be Barbers like stirring the pot or anything but she is the one that is kind of keeping this a little bit more like going but I do actually agree with the window with her saying that she doesn't think that she's really Luann's trigger with her being disinvited like I Stand like she's a little bit in stable because of her, you know, just going to rehab and like getting back into the swing of things and whatnot. But I do kind of feel like it's unfair to labeled arenda like someone that could trigger her when like her alcohol like alcoholism wasn't related to Dorinda directly and it kind of made me wonder is when we on using her sobriety as an excuse to kind of like acts to run to out until I get her Uninvited from the group and stuff like that. I don't I don't think so. I think that another this is another situation. That it's hard for me to speak on because I've never had to go to rehab or sober. So I don't understand how the triggering works how it plays out and I just know that if I had to protect myself that I would no matter what it what no matter what it meant. So if somebody did put me in a position where not put me but if someone if someone's presence made me feel more vulnerable to alcohol or whatever it is. I would certainly stay away. Yeah, especially if they weren't willing to talk to me, that's fair and I think and I do Renda is willing to talk to her. But I think that this I don't think she's coming into the situation apologetic enough for that Luann feels she could put her her guard down and be comfortable around everybody. I also think this was probably put into Luann's ear in a lot of ways because she has so many girlfriends around her. Yeah. I don't know if Luann would protect herself this much if it weren't for her rally of girl bosses just like protecting. I agree, I agree and Yeah, I think I think you make a really good point. I just yeah, I want to see them get back together. But I just they're just so stubborn and set in their ways. It's hard to watch. It's similar to the whole Bethany and Carol thing last season, but like not at this like I don't this this feels more real, you know, like Carol and Bethany they had a real friendship, but this because land and during have known each other for so much this like so long like this feels a lot more like heartfelt. I don't know. But then we get Sonya paper magazine looking stunning thing. Right? I love the bone straight hair her dress. Yeah, gorgeous and Shores coming gorgeous. She looked amazing, like kind of like a different person almost and the party looked the atmosphere. The party also is very cool. I loved it. It was beautiful. It was very beautiful. So Sonia is did she get the cover was she featured? I think she got the cover, but I don't know beautiful cover. There are beautiful feature which ever and it was. Yeah. It was a very cool part of the ladies are coming in duranta asked ahead of time. If she could also wear leopard I kind of think you just let the host like be the shining star and I like twinsies but to each his own but so Tinsley shows up with her mom we get Dale back for the episode. Yes. I do. Enjoy Dale. I'm not the biggest Inslee fan, but I do love her mother and Sonia psychic tell. Tensley she has to she's gonna have two children. Maybe those little eggs that she has frozen going to hatch one day. I like you said I am looking forward to seeing what Tinsley has this season. I feel like maybe this might be her breakthrough season when we get a lot more from her. I like more of a deeper level because I felt like the Scott stuff is just a lot of fluff. So I'm hoping like I don't really want to a children's story line again the family like I really want to get to know Tinsley on like a way deeper level than what we've been given. And so so yeah, so I enjoy her but I think she's just more of a filler filler housewife at this at this time. But yeah, and then deronda Bethany kind of had a really nice moment together. I really enjoyed them talking. I feel like out of anyone durandal would be the one to really relate to what Bethenny's going through. I felt like them speaking was a very very touching moment. What we it reminded me a lot of when they were in London. I think it was London. Couple Seasons back was Carol and Dorinda having that moment talking about their having Bulldogs lost their husbands. And that was the moment that they both bonded for the first time and I felt like this was that moment for Bethany and Orinda. Mmm, and I do wonder if this will bring or if it has brought Carol and Bethany at all close to see behind the scenes because Carol's been there in Carol's written about it. And that's I mean Carol has Been involved in Bethany's life for a long time and did know Dennis and I wonder if the two of them have had any conversations about this or Carrollwood reached out and offered any support. I don't know. I was very curious about that too. And I was you know, I was hoping just seen something but I feel like yeah, they wouldn't and neither one of them would say if it were not and then it broke my heart when this like this made me really I this is when I started to cry when when Bethenny Dennis also got Bryn a ring, too. Yes, it's just so sweet. But it's so sad at the same time and it's just like how it's hard. It's very hard. It's very heavy and it's but we see Bethenny just like kind of pushing through and that was kind of the message that to render like let on to is like you're very strong woman and you could get through this it makes me wonder because I saw last we all saw last week that Brynn had been texting Dennis after he had passed and so had Bethany and I wondered I know we don't get to see Brian obviously for many reasons, I think most of them are legal but we don't get to see Brett we see always even in her stories just like the side of her face or whatever so we don't really I don't know what the relationship between Dennison brain was like, but I can imagine it was a very beautiful father-daughter Bond like relationship, especially for him to do that and he seemed like a teddy bear and for Brynn to be asking about the me like do you think My tags, like they were definitely close and they did that painted a little bit of a picture for me. And I don't know if it did for you guys to that. They had a special bond. It was really sweet. And it was yeah that that moment was really tough. But all the women are finally at the party except for the land she walks in last and her very sophisticated white outfit nice hat her date very nice very Sleek. She comes in and you kind of the run to kind of gets immediately. A little on edge they're completely on opposites opposite rooms are opposite sides of the room of Luann's with everybody and dorinda's kind of sitting at the bar and I thought lumens comment was like a course you'd be at the bar because she know I wouldn't go over there like yes, and also Ramona and dorinda's relationship. Excuse me, Ramona and Luann. Yeah. That was awkward. Yeah, you have Ramona not wanting to be all fake at that moment and you have Luann overcome. And seating for everything and complimenting and you see the two of them. Just trying to be nice and trying to be civil but their versions of that are so so polar opposite and they just don't you just you know, it's forced total. Yeah, you know, they barely spoke. Yeah, but yeah, so we finally have the time when which Demand only winner in the same space and and I was building to it. I was very very excited for other. They're finally going to speak and and Bethany kind of will Before Bethany kind of brings them and over during a barks at Barbara for saying please don't get involved like this. Isn't you have no was it skin in this fight or fight whatever and and robbers like why are you getting mad at me when Beth is doing the exact same thing I'm doing and I don't understand why either but maybe it's because I don't know. Well Bethenny didn't do the exact thing. Bethany was more she was saying like, I just think that Darren doesn't want any unsolicited advice right now. She's trying to kind of explain yeah order. That and in that moment during the didn't say anything but we do see later on that directed does speak up to Bethany and is like Bethenny stop pushing me to go somewhere in which you'll get to so, I don't think she's afraid of Bethenny. I think from an outside perspective. I think in Barbara's situation. She was like, what do you mean? I don't yeah. Why why are you saying this to me and I are but we all know that everybody's a little bit afraid of back of the head and she's scares. Me too. She's just always right. Yeah, she didn't she always just she speaks so eloquently and everything. She says is just it's like she is thought it out for like days written it out before she said it so everybody else like whoa. Yeah. She's the best. But yeah, so so Bethany calls calls Luann overly on kind of me like we're like what and she finally comes over and Bethenny does give tours end of the push and you see like the road is barking at Bethany. No. No, I'm not ready. I'm not Not ready yet. Like I shall call you better get ready because she's like five feet behind you. Yes, and then we get the nice turn. It looks like very very nice and warm and then we get the to be continued. Yes, which like totally frustrated because I thought we had so much more left in the episode, but we obviously didn't I guess we could just go ahead and jump into prediction since we have have this to go off of we have news to I don't want to let's let's do prediction. Yeah, let's do it is really quickly. After Michael first, yes, so guys Bethany speaking of a girl Bethany kind of got a little and a little bit of trouble this previous week. And if you heard the news TMZ reported that Paris Jackson attempted suicide and had to be taken to the hospital Paris Jackson denied all of that and then however Bethany chimed in on Twitter and has since deleted Saying I'm so upset about Paris Jackson Who allegedly attempted suicide. We are the product of our parents unresolved issues. She is a very loving person who helps those in need without looking for praise. My heart is with her. I was I want I want to take her I want to take her sadness away as if she was my daughter. So it was somewhat of a nice message that she was, you know, giving to Paris but Paris replied lies lies lies OMG more lies because she didn't attempt suicide or she wasn't hospitalized for this incident Bethany deleted the Tweet, but she also insinuate something about the relationship saying well something is a mess. I will not explain how I know her because that would betray confidence. But something is off here that I can assure you so as a little bit ambiguous and I'm not really sure now I'm even more curious about how they know one another and why would be some type of betrayal of you know confidence. Yes. Um, very interested. Yeah, it's very interesting. So she got in a little bit of hot water but and but she has some good stuff going on also amazing stuff. Yes. So so MGM television in Mark Burnett have made a multi-year deal with Bethenny Frankel to generate unscripted TV projects though. He will produce some of which will be star vehicles for her. So she's probably going to be packaging non-scripted shows and packaging them for MGM gmtv. I don't know if this means that she's gonna be on any of them. I believe that they're going to use her to bring in the celebrities bring in the talent and come up with ideas because she's a mega just she's just a genius that's office is this makes total sense to me? I think this is awesome. And I think she's gonna kill it as a producer this so MGM worldwide the chairman made the deal directly with Bethenny, so they obviously know each other. Yeah and and her attorneys. Oh, we lost our music Frankel turned herself. She's turned herself into this on. Cryptid Megastar herself. So I think she's going to be an amazing producer. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I love it. I know we 47 seconds left predictions. Yeah, let's jump in real quick to our predictions AfterBuzz TV prediction. Um, I think you know durandal and we'll have a cordial conversation at sonja's party and deeper into it. They'll be having my lunch with Bethenny. Yeah, so don't think it's going to go anywhere. I still think no, I think this is going to be a slow burn for like the season. Okay? Yeah. I don't see it going anywhere I need Time soon. All right. Well, that's sad and on a lighter note. We Sonja gets to make out with another girl. So that's a very intriguing next week. And we see Tinsley talking about topper her ex-husband's wife's shoe line. So I didn't even know that she had a shoe line and something some drama there. So we've got some fun stuff at Tinsley. Yeah. Yeah, we do guys. Thanks so much for joining us this week next week. We'll have a full panel. Yes. It'll be so fun. We'd love to hang out with you guys and I'm Chelsea Stark Jones. You can find me on social media at Sea underscore S Jones and Chelsea Star Jones.com and some yeah, and I'm Ashley Daniels and you can find me on Instagram at Miss Ashley Daniels and Twitter at Ashley Daniels. Beautiful. Yeah. See you next week guys. Bye. Bye our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and where the the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup buzz you later. Hmm. You just press herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners our principal.

 The ladies wrap up their stay in the Hampton’s with a little bit of controversy. Bethenny is still battling over losing Dennis, and reveals a secret about their relationship. And we finally get Dorrinda and LuAnn in the same place while at Sonjia’s Paper Magazine party. Chelsea Stark-Jones and Ashley Daniels break down this week’s episode of Real Housewives of New York! ABOUT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC AFTER SHOW: To a certain group of people in New York, status is everything...and with status comes plenty of drama to unpack on THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK CITY AFTER SHOW. We’ll recap all the buzz-worthy moments from the show, from the fabulous to the fights from our favorite Big Apple ladies. Tune in here for ALL the tea as we review, recap and provide in-depth discussions of the latest episodes! Who knows! You might just see some familiar cast member faces. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC: The Real Housewives of New York City (abbreviated RHONY) is an American reality television series that premiered on March 4, 2008 on Bravo. Developed as the second installment of The Real Housewives franchise, following The Real Housewives of Orange County, it has aired seven seasons and focuses on the personal and professional lives of several women residing in New York City. The series originally focused on LuAnn de Lesseps, Bethenny Frankel, Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, and Jill Zarin. The eighth season lineup of housewives will consist of de Lesseps, Frankel, Singer, Sonja Morgan, Carole Radziwill, Dorinda Medley, and newcomer Jules Wainstein. Of the original housewives, Frankel initially left after the third season before returning for the seventh; McCord and Zarin left after the fourth season; and de Lesseps was a friend of the housewives in the sixth. The remaining housewives joined in later seasons: Morgan in the third, Radziwill in the fifth, Medley in the seventh, and Wainstein in the eighth. Other housewives include Kelly Killoren Bensimon (seasons 2–4), Cindy Barshop (season 4), Aviva Drescher (seasons 5–6), Heather Thomson (seasons 5–7), and Kristen Taekman (seasons 6–7).

It's a very good run for Hurley Hurley and Lane six. Can Donetsk catch him challenging the world record? No less to and he's got it Robert Hurley 23 to for another world record has fallen in Sydney. Hey guys, welcome to the very first podcast swimming with Bobby. And today we have world champion Matt Wilson Matt. How does that sound of you? Call the world champion Still Still bit weird actually hasn't really sunk. Sunk in yet. I mean that was a couple months ago now but yeah, I mean world champions just a weird weird ring to it to me. Well, that's your new title world champion. And as I said, it's our very first podcast swimming with Bobby, we're here to talk about all things swimming breaking down Life as a swimmer training sets traveling performances. So thanks for sitting down with us. Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be the first one off the bat. So we have was talk swimming. Alright, so the week of the world Champs leading into gwangju in Korea. You just been on fire in 2019, you know New South Wales States in February 208 V in the 200 breaststroke come Nationals in April 207 150 meters underwater record pace and then 207 again at the trials. What was what was that whole year leading into from sort of January before Korea training camps, you're racing faster had a bit of a hamstring injury. So, how did all that go to processing and swim faster the same time? Yeah. I mean, I think it was more of a confidence thing for me with my racing when I hit that 208 at States. Like you said that was easily the fastest in season swim up done in my life. Was that a PV at the time? Although it was just over it was .3 over from what I did at Pax the year prior and I mean, yeah, it was just like a confidence boost knowing that I could. Swim that fast without rest and like well I could do with rest. I never expected to go for 207 one broken world record in Australian record in that late. I actually did have a slight hamstring tear or strain leading into that. So we didn't even know if I'd be racing originally. Yeah, I drop that to I-71 and that really put me in contention to metal at world. If not win, so we went on a training camp. And so we're really not go down and it's a bit of heat get a bit warm weather was that straight off April all that was like a couple a couple of weeks after I think it was here during May then we had a couple weeks back in Sydney and then we race the Sydney open there which was a bit rough for me. But to 10. Yeah when 210 210 is pretty rough now is that to 10 years to be world-beating, you know, just five or six years ago years ago that was up there. But now I Everyone's going 207 and it's a lot flatter. I feel like everyone's really in the race now. But yeah, I mean off the back of that had a couple weeks rest of them qualified for worlds of the choice 7-7 wasn't my best swimmer, but we're done happy to admit that but got myself a spot on that team got the win and then it was really about the five weeks leading Two Worlds where it was. Couple weeks of really hard really intense training and then coming back down and making sure that I was rested and gonna pay for that 200 brushstroke really, you know, tell us about that that five weeks. It's the first time Australia has done the clothes trials before the world Champs and you've made the past two Australian teams in 2017 and 2018, but that sort of style he had three months to train from trials to to the big competitions and you've been swimming being quick or year and then you obviously nailed that five weeks to then take another step forward at in Korea. Yeah. So after trials we had just a couple weeks at home, which I think really helped last year. I think it was a bit too along the way from home. So we had all week at home and then four weeks in Cannes nagaoka and Tokyo. So this time it was a week in Kansas for me myself. Some people did the two weeks again because they like that we had an option which was good. So I did awakened cans and then I went awake and I got Oka no-go because very very quiet place not much goes on there, which is probably really good for us to get into that race mindset. Just get away from the hustle and bustle of I mean for me Sydney and and as where the team's going before Tokyo Olympics as well, right? So a bit of a home base for the Australian team. Yeah like a home base for us. So we'll be doing that again next year. I'll probably do the same thing a week a week. And then a week and the village or assuming I make the team home. But yeah, so we did that and then we can go go go where we did some pretty intense training for the first half of the week and then started to come down back after a week. There's a lot of time trials a lot of a lot of people coming to watch us which was pretty interesting that all cheering us on which was which is good for a session. I really like you don't get that every every day. Having that was pretty special and then off the back of that. We went to went into the village and gwangju. I mean the village was interesting. I mean the food was very nice. They are the rooms. Probably not the best we've ever. I'm our went to come games the year before so nothing is probably going to be that that was amazing. The rooms are booked a bit half-finished, but I mean actually it was yeah comfortable enough that I could perform. And then yeah, then we knuckle down and got into racing. All right. So the week in nagaoka before you left, you said you did some pretty hard sets and time trials. Let's get stuck into some swimming talk. What what did you lay down? And did you did you really impress yourself on that week to give you confidence or when did you really get that that belief that you could do something special? Yeah, I mean that week was probably one of the biggest weeks where I got my confidence up and I was like, yeah, I can like do something special here. Yeah, especially you Hundred like we're doing a few broken hundreds where I do a dive 50, then I push 50 10 seconds after so I was diving 27 points in training which is seated. Yes, sir. Yeah, which is pretty good for myself. So I was going seven High seven minutes and then I'll turn around pushing a 29. So so I was like, I'm gonna do something in this hundred hopefully. Yeah and then even in like the stuff we're doing 450s back-to-back and I would go a dive 28 whatever it was and then push 29 push 30-point lowers. So there was also like I can back it up. I can do a good of those 50s on 50 or 60. Wow, that's impressive. Yes. I think it was on 60 to start with and then got down a bit. But before that we'll do any like we do three lots of eight 50s so it starts out. One tab the first or one tenth and like one minute and fifty and then just finish it and that's some of the hardest stuff I do because I like a broken 400 breaststroke breaststroke pretty much I have to hit 30 points for yeah all of them or faster. Yeah. So I mean when I was doing that I was doing that in Townsville as well and I was like, come on like I'm gonna do something good here. Yeah. Well, I could definitely say there's not many guys in the world that could do. Do that and you know on the Australian team, we've got Zak stub. Let it cook as well who got fourth in the Turner breasts that worlds. Are you doing this with him? Because I've heard he's a pretty tough trainer to yeah. He's a very tough guy. He's shown me a bit. We had a camp on the Sunshine Coast in it was just before Nationals. So probably March March Yeah, March and then he was tailing me up. So it wasn't like particularly fit back then but he was just telling Like pushing he pushes 29 and 30 points in the regular as well. And he's a very impressive trainer when we were in Agra. Okay. We didn't do too much together. We did our own individual things because we're very different soon as we are very different race plans. So I was doing my thing he was doing his thing but I mean prior to that we had done a little bit of work together and it was it was interesting to see how he how he trains and how he puts his race plan together in training. Yeah, he could he could be one to watch next year. But like you said that that 200 meters is is pretty open as well, isn't it? So, let's get stuck into into Korea to your second world Champs. You did swim Budapest 2017 and and made a final there. So obviously, you know, your goals and expectations coming in were a little bit higher leading into gwangju and then day 100 breaststroke in the morning 59 1pv. Take us through that. Yeah, I mean I felt very smooth in the water. I probably didn't race it perfectly, but I raised it really well. So I probably overrated just a touch at the end of my rice which probably pushed me away from that 5900 and upb coming in with what 59 six or so. Yeah II PV, which I was stoked with. I'll start to go 59:1 and now I'm under the qualifying time for Tokyo next year already. Hopefully I can repay that but you know, it puts you as the fastest Australian over a hundred which opens up to medley relay is now as well. So yeah, exactly. So hopefully a bit more of a metal shot next year. But I mean Jake Packard still there. He's still 59 to swimmer didn't have the best year last year, but I mean, he's a resilient bloke so he's going to bounce back big and it's an Olympic Year everyone steps up. But yeah that hundred for me. Me was just like the start like I just as soon as I did that I was like I'm going to be on this week. Like I'm going to have a good week and then went into the semi-final I went just a touch slicing else 59 to and I came tent so I like I miss the US final by 0.03 0.04. There's a close. Margin. I wasn't disappointed I was disappointed but I wasn't like shattered because of it like I'd put my Foot forward I still think it was a pretty good race. I hadn't been faster than 59 six prior to that. So I was very happy with twice the I don't slice in the same day. So I was happy with that. Yeah, I know for me as a swimmer you can do all this training and gain all this Confidence from training in your sets and time trials, but it doesn't count until you get it done in a race, right and you always want to or for me. I always wanted to have a good first race and that just set up the rest of the week. So So 59:1 you must have been feeling pretty good and then just written here took oven by Landon took off being the world champion. Balandin the Olympic champ. They only go similar times 5902 59:1 they scrape into the final finished seventh and eighth but like yourself that have one eye on the 200-meter race. So at that point after the first day of the world Champs who you sort of looking at and who you're sizing up for this 200 meter race, or are you just focusing on yourself? I mean, I switch my focused. The medley relay quite honestly, I mean I thought we had a very very good shot leading into it at winning being a u.s. We rely so that was my main focus. But in terms of who I was looking out from the 200, I mean just got was the big one. I knew he was going to go under the world record. He was he was scaring it for so long that he is. I just knew I was going to do it. I mean, it'd be a follower record. There was also there is also someone else keeping my eye on but yeah, my main focus was on the medley relay mix medley relay. The I think it was two days after where I thought we had a really good shot at winning. Yeah, so you have day two and three off so so two days off come in for the mix medley relay 58:8 breaststroke split in the morning. And then I think pretty big-time 58 3 at night so lacking on the back stroke. McCain and Kate Campbell win gold coming Kate comes over the top of Simone manual. Everyone's cheering a home. So goal for the Australian team first world championship gold medal and you proved to be one of the crucial members of that split that of that relay team with a with a big split. So, how's that? Yeah. I mean, I think that was the best hundred brushstroke I've ever bloody done in my life. I went to less Strokes about hundred and I've ever done or actually to less Strokes that I did in the hate of the the hundred breaths where I went through, you know, one drop to 58 3, so I was stoked with that. Honestly, I turned around and I saw my split come up and I was like and I was like hell, yeah, I got it will behind by Will behind Russia at that point, but I was like hell, yeah, like I just dropped a massive swim. Yeah, and it felt awesome and I like game a bit of confidence going in tomorrow as well. I was so confident. She's building. Yeah continuing to feels continuing to build. And then yeah, I mean in the last 10 meters of that Rice was so intense. I was screaming. Okay, and I think you can say I'm like the broadcast I'm like looking behind because it was the TV behind us and I couldn't really see it was in front. So I look behind me because they got like an overhead shot to say get a better view of the see if I Kate was in front or some owners in front and Kate. It was leading. I was like we're going to do this we're going to do is and then on the top Kate didn't have the best touch. I don't think and all Simone had a very good touch and I was like, oh, I don't know anymore. And I looked up and we won by 0.02 and I just I just went all it's crazy. It's crazy feeling doesn't get any better than that. So that's that's day for last event of the night. You've got gold medal. So there's metal presentations press conferences possibly a drug test as well coming down off that night knowing thing that you've got your main race to and a brush stroke in probably like 12 or 14 hours time. So, how do you how do you bring yourself down? How do you sleep at night actually surprisingly. Well, oh and pretty much straight to bed. So I got home at like 1:00 in the morning or something, but I went straight to bed. So I got did I went straight to bed and I had probably have one of the best transitions I've had from going to the pool going back home and getting to bed. So I had the drug. I did have a drug test, but I got that done at about 10 minutes because I The to go instantly after the rice. So I was holding on during medal presentation and was like crap. Let's go like let's get out of here and then massage them down. So I did like my 802 a ke saamne down got out got for massage therapists age limb just flushing flushing me out. And then I was on that bus and straight to the dining hall then quickly get something to eat and straight to bed. I was actually very smooth transition. And I woke up. Like not feeling great but like not horrible as bad as I have felt in the past and yeah, I mean it showed in the morning swim as well and it is and what contributes to that like it experience and I'm not sure that two years ago. If you want a gold medal you probably would have been game over the next day a hundred percent. I mean, there's definitely a couple years of experience I've had with the swim team. I mean one of probably 2017 I would have been a bit too touché. You're too nervous to ask for all that help from everyone. That's what they're there for there to help you. So now I kind of realized that and I am using that now I'm using that better than I have in the past. So that's attributed to why I'm backing up better than I have and your performances. I would think your performances command that you know, you're one of the leaders of the Australian team in like you said you broke the Commonwealth record leading in so, you know myself and And a lot of people had had eyes on this 200 breaststroke race for yourself enters actor to see how it unfolded and and that was another relay that Australian one. They're halfway through worlds and think at that point you had Ariana had won the women's relay had one Mac corn and had done his thing. So what was the vibe and and the momentum of the whole Australian team even before you stepped up for that too and a brush stroke because it looked like it was a good team atmosphere. Yeah that Sphere was one of the is probably actually it was the best. I've been a part of everyone was getting getting along like everyone was in High Spirits because everyone was performing and that that happens with good performances. I everyone's gonna be happy when they around but yeah, I mean having that atmosphere around me personally, I reckon definitely contributed to my performances because I wasn't being shut off just to myself my own thoughts. I had people coming over and talking and we're just having fun with it. In like the warm-up or warm up area will just like having fun having a chat. I mean it didn't really feel like it was a high-pressure situation in that area. But when we got behind a blocks that's when like you switched on and that's when race it was race mode. So it's good to not to get into race mode too early for so to be able to relax even at the pool get your stretching down warm up and then only switch flicked the switch on when it needs to be huh? Yeah, I think so because if you spending all that time, just thinking in race mode prior to at least spending hours if not days and just thinking about racing. You're just going to be mentally spent a very flat and with logic, I think that's my thinking behind it. Yeah. Yeah, and then to the breaststroke Heats day five in the morning 207 2.1 off your TV off your Commonwealth records Under World Record Pace again for the first three laps. So and it looked super smooth that I know I spoke to Adam up. The race is very happy. Yeah, I mean that was one of the easiest to i7 ever. Do you reckon I was three Strokes less than the first 50 and then I was a few more Strokes less than the Third and fourth as well. Well actually a lot on the fourth because usually I'm at 2021 in the last 50. I was probably 14 or 15 just cruising along as well, which was we did a commentary box. We thought what you're going to get the world record in the morning. You might just trying to get like that top. Like top four so I could get like a line for line 5 and it's one of those events where we don't know what what the qualifying in the same is was but 210 potentially actually could have missed the semifinals. So you did AA even though you're at or seven guy you had to be switched on didn't yeah. Yeah, I think 210 might have been like to 10 very low might have been the cutoff. But yeah, I got you have to be switched on in the devil definitely to be switched on in the morning. Otherwise you risking missing a Final or final or whatever thinking about the final you might not even make the semi exactly right? Like you can't be getting ahead of yourself and just trying to relax completely like there is a point where you can look for me. I can switch off a bit in that heat in that semi-final. I wanted to try and put down a fast time but like trying to get a spot in the the final wasn't thinking about breaking a world record or any of the I was just thinking About getting a spot in the final. Well, what about after their Heats, you know your only point six off that world record. There's you know, I came up and said not to you but she's is 30 grand us for a world record. I don't know if you knew that but where you going for it in the Senate afterwards we going for it in the same ease knowing that the final was still to come you're on fire every swing that you've done at this point. I'd been good. Anyway, what were your intentions going into that semi-final? I mean, I was going to go a hundred fifty like a done before hundred fifty like as my race plan and then see where I was in the race and if I was behind and I would have to keep going if I was in front by a fair bit. Then I'd switch off and I turned I was in front. And I kept going a bit and then I could hear the crowd. So I thought I thought like surely someone's catching up to me. I was like no, I'm gonna go keep going and I felt really good. So I was like, you know, I'll just keep going and see what time I can put down and then I hit the wall I turned around and I was Shocked firstly to say little world record symbol next to my name. I was like, holy crap what I did not just do that. I mean, yeah, it's just I was just blown away, but I still actually can't really quite Get it to sink in that I've done that even if it was for a day. I mean and at what point after the race did you realize that it was an Eco world record, which is again is another very very rare thing to happen. Yeah, actually I realized pretty quickly as soon as this all my time. I say that's that time seems familiar. That's the one you get your eye on for exactly. So I turned around and like I saw where I go that I was like so what I like are equal like still but like yeah, I was just still In shock that I did that yeah. I remember. I mean that was exciting but again coming off a big medley relay gold and equal world record, but you still had the main event to come you're still had 24 hours to wait to have a crack at again the world record and the gold medal knowing that you know in most other events. If you broke the world record, you'd be Untouchable, you know, but in this men's 200 breaststroke you recalled his world record took David been threatening for a long time. You had the Olympic champ. I landed in there as well as the two Americans so there was no real wasn't much time to celebrate know exactly so I won't I had a drug test again, which I don't know. I've done the best drug test I've ever done over there. I was in and out in 10 minutes every time which was unheard of just like the Chinese team. Well, yes, I do like all my race warm down and then massage and all that stuff. I did that. If it plays well got home. I mean that not was a bit harder to get some sleep because I was just so hyped but I mean I still got a fair amount of sleep. Plus I could have slept in because I didn't have anything in the morning while went for a light swim. There was another training pool. I can't remember where exactly it was is what the university out there. So there's no like there's only a few people there. So I had the pool pretty much to myself just did a bit of a like a light roll through like a A or two and then came in in the arvo the night pre-race warm-up pre-race stretching and stuff like that. Just getting ready to race really so it sounds like you've got a good rap of controlling yourself in your own emotions and your own process of warm down drug test eat and sleep. But what about everybody else because everybody's coming up patting you on the back congratulating you I know what that point Adam Adam had lost his voice. From cheering. So how did you manage everything around your own your own sort of emotions? Yeah. I mean it was doing stuff like going to the training pool and just like having a quiet area. So not everyone's coming up and getting all hyped around me and he trying to Hype me up as well. That makes sense. And then I mean when I got to the dining hall after that 200 semi-final the first person who came up to me was actually Anton and he was like you're crazy like congrats and then the other Russian Killebrew gonna go I'm actually pretty good friends with he came up and it's just like you're a freak like and have been a banner with Anton as well, which is you've known Anton for a couple of years now, right tell us about that Anton since 2015 where we swam together at jr. Well He completely destroyed us in that race. He went I think you went to own 9 low and I went to ten high and I got second in that race. But yeah, we've been in contact for four years now and we see each other at the major meats and at World Cups and stuff like that as well and I will always have a chat we get along very well. I mean, there's always the After parties as well and we love the hang out with each other. I mean Russians love their Vodka, so so yeah, just hang around with him. But I'm yeah, he's he's good fun. He's a good bloke any rivalry or friendly rivalry, but I guess he you know, he was first in Budapest two years ago you were you were eight and he won Junior worlds you a second as as there's a legitimate rivalry now, I would think yeah, that's definitely it is a friendly rivalry. It's not no angst against him at all. So he's a good bloke and he's a terrific summer. All right, Matt, we've got the semi-final of the tuna brush stroke from Worlds. We equal the world record the video playing right now in front of us. Have you watched this race before the TV version of this race? Anyway, yeah, I've watched loot a couple times the semi-final I've never watched the final back though. So I don't know if we've got that as well. But yeah, we'll be watching that a bit later as well. All right, we'll get through both the semi in the final. Here we go with the semi you're in lane four. I had Mark Akash 2015 World Champion. I mean Zack was next to me and then it pee next to Zach. James will be as well Great Britain. He went to her seven for earlier in the year as well. So I thought he was going to be a big threat in this race. Slapping yourself always do that always do the arms before I got on the Block. Company César Cielo knows the maquis freestyle. I'm not as not as intense. Yeah, then I chuck chuck my arms over my head and then slap my lats every time. Well there as well something I've been working on this the skills to the Dives and the turns so we get like a 50 meter dive start time. I try to aim to get under 6'5 or faster than that and I think I went 61 in this which was one of the best times I've done. What are you best have a starts and you got well, what an Arby's up into who's the at this point the current world record holder and he's got similar race strategy to you pretty fast over the first three years. He was out with me. I saw him at the 50. It's like someone's coming with me. This point eighty meters down you almost a body length clear in front at this point and you got Zach next to you which you've raced Zach's at the back of the pack. So I had a world record line. Yeah, I mean, I know Zach was going to be back a bit. That's how he rises goes back for the first hundred fifty and drops down a massive last 50 which he did to me in 2018 went straight past me. So I was a bit wary of that as well. Actually, it makes a bit of a move here as well. Really smooth but this point I started to bring out the raid a bit. It's about 10 meters to go in the third 50 and coming in the turn so under what .34 underwater record place, but what an Arby's two lanes above you would have seen him on that turn so you're right that the crowd cheer and 52 go. Yeah, so the crowd starts to cheer about very loudly about 25 30 meters to go and I was thinking it'd be Is down straight past me or markers catching up to me. I didn't really think it'd be me getting close to for record and see my hands are just on the world record line there. I'll just my stroke going in a bit. So I'll take an extra. Little strike there, which I think really helped. Get that were record. I mean, I was pretty happy about it. That's a pretty good start a hundred world record in World Championship. That's good that Zach first got it. Pat you on the back as well. Have your teammate right there next year? He's always the first one to come over and congratulate me or I'm always the first one we went over and congratulate him. We've got a very good Bond. We've been swimming against each other since we were 12 so we know each other very well. And then Hami Watanabe, you just equaled his world record. I you mates with him or does he speak much English? I doesn't speak a lot of English, but he did look over at me and he put up a big thumbs up to me and I gave one back. I'm just a slight acknowledgement there. They probably four or five times underwater record Pace to miss so you got it. You got it buddy, put down a massive last 50 when he broke the world record in 2017. So they're always happy and always happen. It's going to happen even more now that the world record like yeah that sets it up for the final tomorrow. So it sounds like it's a, you know, you've been on the scene in this event for a while and pretty friendly with these boys, so it's not like a hundred free. I can tell you that Androids giving you a thumbs up to equal their world record. That's a bonus. I think we're pretty close bunch of brush stroke is like just dip together. We got the final of the 200 breaststroke here now. So you're in lane four Chuck calls in five. Have you seen this one? You haven't seen the final. You know, I haven't seen this one got a pretty good idea how this one's going to end out. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. Alright and setting up at this point day6 Australia where I think top of the medal tally at the world Champs at this point, but Russia at one Russia being, you know, Anton Troop. But they'd won the three gold medals going in right FM / no to FM / and real of it. Once I Rush Hour on a bit of a roll here. Yeah, I think they won both those gold medals on that day as well. So they had no gold going into a six. I think it wasn't then ended up winning three or four that day. I think it was so it was a pretty good effort from them. Yeah. Well watch this in my opinion. This was individually one of if not the most exciting race on the men's side of the World Champ so credits you for that. Behind you the championship record as well and I saw that before and I was like, I'm gonna try and get that. Already a gold medalist hid in the mixed medley relay. He's had a huge 24 hours after that. So you're there in and what and Avi was up in to as well right in this right here in seven. Yeah. And he was only just behind me as well. He went to o-67 which is a world-class swimmer as well. It's one last night to equal it swims real fast from the start. So we've seen him under world record. Through the first three laps in the Heat and the semies you've got that one last night Andrew Wilson above him both Wilson's they like to go out fast. They took got there is on camera in the blue cap watch for him to storm home. I got the same routine as well for this laughing. It's always pick slats. I do my biceps and then I'll get on the Block and do the arms overhead. 200 meters breaststroke Wilson and shook off in those middle lines what Ann Arbor Day is the other world record holder down in my 70 years and white quickly. But so too is Matt Wilson, you can already see the difference in style Wilson taking it out hard in the Yellow Cap tube table to his left really just stroking out almost in slow motion at the moment. So the to Wilson's of got fast. That's Matt Wilson in for and Andrew Wilson above him in three the American Mary come in the black cap, of course the Australian in the Yellow Cap as they go through the first 50 and that Matt Wilson Andrew Wilson. There's a mention week keep our eyes also on water Andrew Wilson went with you earlier here. I was a bit surprised. Yeah. He I mean he paid for it in the last 50 a bit, but that's what I like to do. I like to try and get people to react to me. I'm not vice versa. So I always go out or not hard but bit faster. 6 so you're 1.6 ahead of tripped over this point puts on the burners. The rate goes up a bit. 47 in the world record pace Often lines on the phone probably break the world record there. It is. Don't know what I put the camera on me first off. They got that brilliant moment of my thumb cramp. Wilson and what an army tells a gallon Race by Wilson to take it out hard over the first three laps, but we've seen this before from choked off such a good racer saves a lot of energy for that last lap and that was a real Brawl on the way home amazing. He is smashed the world record over half a second or I will pause it there. So You know what half a second world record, but everyone knows took cause been threatening for a while to break through that and smash that I think he's done a multiple 206 highs and that's probably the perfect race from he had two or three guys youself and want an IB go out hard so that probably draws him out and us as well. So so you're welcome Anton. Yeah, but I always knew Tony at 150 that he was gonna just ride up and Have a massive last 50 and it's just about me trying to hold on and not get too caught up in that and not trying over right? I think I did a bit of the end there, but that's something I can go back and work. I still reckon you overrated at the end there. Yeah. Well, I reckon I was trying to rush it a bit over radio. I rushed it a bit. So I wasn't grabbing as much water in that last fight will 10 meters and I think if you watch the video you see the world record line. Just go straight pixels in front of it comfortable or bit more comfortably than I was in the semi. Yeah, and then you were faster through 150 and the semi right? Yeah. I'm faster through 150 years probably faster through 180 185 and then I started to rush a bit and then I was just wasn't grabbing any water and the end of the turn of breasts. Are you actually hurting or your heart hurt? I was hurting pretty bad that one I could feel the cramp in my hands coming on and as soon as I hit the wall that When it happened and I mean they put the camera on me first off still don't know why they did that. So there's a double thumb cramp you said so I cramped in my right thumb and I tried to take my goggles off and I couldn't so I was just like hitting my face and I went. All right. I'll try to get it off my left hand and then as soon as I did that that one cramped as well, so I was here with it has that ever happened before? No, I don't think so. It's actually just can't take the pressure of the moment. They were They're just stuck that to useless hands. I can get my glasses off. It looks so weird it and that's now become a meme has it? Yes. So there was a Instagram or one of the British main Pages. There's like a man's captioned like when mum won't take you back as and she says there's food at home and I've got like text over the my hand and it says like the food at home and it's like my face looking at my hand and I'm like disgusted at it and I'm like shaking. I was just like I was pretty clever. There's been a couple as well. There was one of the 27 Teen yeah, that's um, I've made it that's actually made it now. Well, it's interesting watching that. I mean it only the action only happened that last 25 when Chuck called comes through in he takes probably only 10 Strokes over the first 50 and then he takes ten Strokes in the last 10 meters like he he's race strategy is just not like nothing we've ever seen before 102 to 103 9 even splitting it. Yeah. It's just yeah unheard of So that's what's going to be the race plan to beat that next year to outrace him because he's the number one racer hasn't been beaten since you got third at the Olympics hasn't lost the 200 breaststroke since so what's going to be the method. I mean, I think I'm just going to stick with the race plan that works for me and we're going to be changing my race plan to suit his what if you wait until and what if you're out in Lane 2 and he was out in fall or something like that. Well my right there change.org you think do you think he won't be able to see you know, I reckon he's he does. He's such a good racer. I reckon it'd still be able to pull out that it's all in his last 50 years and it how relaxed is through that first. I can see he takes ten Strokes off the first 50 and then ten Strokes on the last day. He just rates up his has all that energy to drop a 32 low 31 High last 50, but he can incredible man. I reckon he would on this way too much from that. Even if I was out in Lane one or two or whatever. Eric is a pretty consistent racer as well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a big best time for him half a second PB few Watanabe goes what 1/100 what 1/10 off his old world record. So return to form for him from a couple of years stub, let it cook TVs as well. And who else was in that race. You got the British guys. You got the American guys, so it's even though, you know, there's field. This is the guy that 2i 6 inch of clubs been dominant. It's anybody's game, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. I mean Olympics next year is going to be very very very interesting because it's like you said, it's anyone's race anyone can step up. Like I had a big year this year. Like there could be someone else he's going to have a big year and drop have a second or a second and is back into it after a couple of years sort of no way. You know, he had a rough 2017. I think it was started to get a bit better in 2018. He's now back to making on finals which is where he wants to be and he's definitely going to be thrown as well. He's been in that situation before and is performed. So he will be there as well. He won he won 20 years, but he went out of Lane 8. So you're right. Next year's finals. Just going to be off the chain exactly. I mean, I probably wasn't the fact we actually are expected that final be so much faster than what it was. He wanted to I-74. I think it was and that's what yeah, exactly. So Tory has seven for was V at World Champs just then. So yeah, I mean, it's just going to be a whole new level of racing. I think yeah awesome and then coming off that silver you I saw you after the rescue. You're pretty happy with silver even after the war record. Yeah for sure. I'll start with that. I went to I-66 again. So basically replicating usually it Point 1 point 0 1 sorry off what I did the day before which I thought was is awesome. I compose myself that So I could do that which I was even more impressed with like backing up with all that pressure. That was now on me. I was going in as the favorite in some people's eyes what I did to compose myself and go to o66 again. I was very happy with that and I'm going to Revel sorry replicate that going into Tokyo. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well, there's day6 I think that Ozzy boys win the 4x2 that nights of big night for Australia and you still got the medley relay to come on day eight. So and then 59:1 in the heat 59 6 so that week started to catch up on you a little bit. That was one of the Worth races or Worse hundreds of done. But I mean in the morning I felt pretty rough. Like I was expecting to because I hadn't raced and I just been doing a few easy sessions. So I thought just thinking I could get the morning swim. Don't get a bit of freshness going into that night that I'd be able to put down like another 58 point. In the final, I think we're going to I mean, I just hit the wall at 50 and I was like, I felt just very lethargic. Oh, yeah, and that's something that I have to work on is maintaining that energy throughout the whole week and not just part of a week. I got in 2017. That was a big thing as well. So I was but that was like a lot worse than what I was doing this year. So I was like a couple days up couple days down a couple days that was up and down. It's just like a frog in a sock. So it was so I improved from 2017 but now I want to improve on that again so I can get a whole week. Yeah of putting down world class times and finally for metals and that's what people don't realize that I haven't been in that environment over eight days a lot happens over eight days. And in this instance, there was controversy or was it was emotional the Australian team was riding high and I think that's why you take your hat off to go like drechsel or before him Phelps. Lockley that congest race consistently so well multiple times a night across eight days. Yeah. It's incredible. Those people were the freaks drechsel is a freak. He's a probably going to be one of the probably the best swimmer. Amo championship history, I would say yarn around a hundred fly. He did at will chance was unbelievable. 49 low. I think it was I can't remember the time exactly but I remember watching that race and just going like wow, it's amazingly you're never going to see something like that. I reckon he's a world record holder. You're a world record holder for more. Awesome. Alright. Well, thanks for taking us through that that big week of gwangi. That's probably you know, The best week of your career. Yeah for sure like to think one of the best weeks of your life, but, you know bigger and better things to come next year for sure, huh? Hopefully, we'll see what happens next year. I mean, I'd like to just keep improving. Just keep putting my best foot forward and I'd be happy with that. Well, there you go guys the week that was Matt Wilson recounting his world record and silver medal winning swims in the 200 breast at this year's World Champion gwangju. Thanks for listening in and stay tuned for part two of the interview with Matt Wilson.

Welcome to 'Swimming with Bobby', Episode 1 with Australian swimming star Matt Wilson. In 2019 Wilson equalled the World Record in the semifinals of the 200m Breaststroke at the FINA World Championships in Gwangju, only to see that WR get broken by eventual champion Anton Chupkov of Russia, with Wilson finishing with silver. Listen in to the detail of Wilson's preparation leading into the World Champs, his deepest thoughts and feelings during the biggest week of his swimming career and his live commentary on watching the replay of these races for the first time since the World Champs. Stay tuned for Part 2, detailing  the sacrifice and commitment from the Wilson family on his journey to the top. Note: filmed late 2019 Episode 1: Podcast Notes · Summer 2019 – on fire! (1:05) · 5 weeks out from Worlds (3:44) · Taper - You did what?! (6:05) · World Champs Day 1 - “I’m on!” (9:21) · Mixed Medley Relay – GOLD! (11:55) · Recovering like a World Champ (14:59) · WORLD RECORD! (20:39) · Anton Chupkov: Friendly rivalry? (25:10) · Video Replay: Semi Final (26:31) · Video Replay: Final – The most exciting race of the World Champs (32:05) · Double thumb cramp - a new swimming meme (37:50) · How to win in 2020? (39:10) · Finishing off Gwangju (43:10)

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Least I don't have to try and do Joe's run. Well, we have it on tape was everybody on bam Erickson and I want and I would like to introduce you to the panel to my left. I got Jill Munroe how our people robbing a or what up? What up? And Jimmy V is popping my power people. Okay, so we have a lot to talk about so some of the things we can talk about in tonight's episode. So we got Jason Pitts, Tommy versus Ghost. We got the divorce arbitration with Ghost and Tasha. Then we got ghost and Tasha the Next Generation and we got drapes back. We got Proctor's wife. Now. She's a new Marcia Clark and a lot more topics. So let's go into the first one. So now we have Co swatches times Vehicle Impound it now, that's kind of weird that he's there the neck thank you. Cuz that's the first thing I said as soon as the episode started on my ghost if you just committed a crime the night before what are you doing at the murder seeing back again back again, but Okay, so I'm glad I'm glad it was just not me. So he so he watches a blood on the ground before it goes to Jason Jason. What a bag of money for his troubles Jason thanks to hit on. Tommy was an assault on his organization go says, it's a Family Matter Jason. Jason says that I'm sorry, but he's going to flip the demands and now he wants $100,000 every two weeks not to retaliate or he kills ghost himself then he goes and tells Tommy the same thing and so now he's put the two together. And so now what do you guys think? Sot has X to X star shine. All right, clearly. Jason is definitely playing chess but I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I don't like the story line here. Okay, because there was a lot set up in there at the top of the episode and then we've all seen the episode if you haven't yet. I'm not going to spoil it but then towards the end of the episode everything they set up gets diminished. Yeah, so it's like why are you feeding me all this information here? And then you just gon snatch it right out of my my hand because ghost and Tommy you're going to have to come together again to defeat their Foe and then they'll get back to the business of Ghosts versus Tommy. That's what I'm predicting. Okay? Okay. I don't know if they'll have to get back together because I think like I said, I think it's going to be more so ghost and Tasha have to get back together to take out but for me that to for but for but for me with this whole thing, it seems kind of weak that goes would go there in the first place. It was it was just it makes sense. It was just weak. So now We all agree. I guess we can move on because we are so many other topics. Yes, Robin hit it. Okay, you know what you guys I know America wants to give Sarika whooping I know that but what do you guys think about the fact that I believe ghost is really starting to realize that he has no more sun and that this dude is really trying to come into power. Do you guys feel that way at all? I mean, I I second that just because the dialogue That they actually had as I can go to my notes here. But the first thing that Teresa was like who's dead now and then he hits him with ghosts once again, you know, so there's the respect levels gone, right? Okay. Thank you very much for that beautiful setup because let me go into it badly. So there was a moment that I kind of look into all of this stuff when ghost was sitting on the bed, right and he is holding a picture of his three kids. He's almost like even rubbing the face of Tarik in the picture he's so he's in Father mode. He's in Daddy Mode and then when he went three walks in he is he's addressing him as son and so he's in he's in body know exactly where you're going. Go ahead that moment. He said, you know, you know, so obviously to Rick says, you know what he did who died now and goes like no like what why would you heels like who died like, you know who died ghost or you know, tell me goes when he called him ghost this time. He's called him go several times. Before he said it in Anger. He said it would his chest out he was doing all of that stuff. But when he said it this time, I personally believe that ghosts literally sat there if y'all saw him for a moment for several beats, he was just looking at him like, oh my God that that this is not even my son anymore. I can't really address this dude as my son or father him like a son. He's lost all respect for me. And he only sees me as ghosts. What do you guys think about that? I agree with that. I think that but I also don't think that ghosts. Realizes like I know he knows that he's lost Tariq, but I don't think that he recognizes how far deep into the stuff that Tariq really is and that he is literally, you know parent not parenting parroting what Kane and taught him and his own youth. I don't think that that part is fully connected for Gus. Yeah, I don't either and I think that at this point, I think that go should wash his hands from Tariq. Sorry. I feel like he does because at it at their there comes a certain point. Point and a parent's life. I understand that but when you are so removed and that and there's a disconnect. Sometimes you have to wash your hands and you have to let him go. So if he wants to be grown let that excuse me, let him go let him be grown and let him let him be the adult that he wants to be and what's gonna happen. Yeah real life is he's going to eventually have to come back to his daddy because he that he thinks he knows all of this life, bro. Your square like, you know some much but at some point you're gonna have to go back to your daddy. So he has to he has to let him go. So I've got to say this line because I'm loving the writing and when I was in school, I wasn't the best with writing but I learned about this one thing called foreshadowing. Yeah. All right. So there's this one line that I love then I copied it down so I can share it with you guys of course, which is sometimes the people you trust the most Can turn on you without no warning. Boom. That's a setup right there for something down the line where which we've already seen Converse part of my nose, but that just sets up which we've seen that Tariq has already chose Tommy if we're talking about sides, but that just shows I believe Tariq is going to turn on his own poppy on go save. Okay. Listen. I am so glad that you guys all have the perspectives that you do because when I say the next thing that I'm going to say, you'll see where I'm going to go with this but I'm going to wait to talk. Just do you guys want me to discuss how to wreak is becoming ghost 2.0? Yeah. Let's talk about that for a second. But then I have a really great prediction about all of this because I said that for a reason okay, so to wreak We are we agreed that to Rica's. I believe that he's smarter. He's gonna he's smarter than his dad and when ghost was his age, of course because he has the street knowledge. And then I think he's got now, he's been he's obviously got the book smarts. You don't agree bam. So if he's so smart why the fuck was he well why the fuck he have his drugs on top of the Hat that's white kids will turn on you in a heartbeat. God damn. Oh my God. What is she she taught her how to read and then all of a sudden I do. What do I do? That's why I don't know what happened. That's so true. And that's a part of his youth. That's a part of the stupidity in the immaturity. But let's take it as a whole. Okay, I think that he is not you right cause we all said the same thing. I was like, what you doing it with you? Yeah, but we're still okay. So let's let's let's hurry up and go. Because I know you guys got some stuff you want to get into but he obviously in this episode we see his Tommy and we see his Tasha. Yes. Oh, yeah. I didn't see the with Reckless. No different way. So so let's not let's talk about something very important here. When go toy when Tariq is sitting there in his roommate comes in for the first time. Yeah. Tariq is playing chess. That's another thing the week is stuck in his chest. So yes by himself. He's studying chess when he got the Dominican girl or we're assuming she's Dominican out of New York Kathy Fe. Thank you. Italy who be paying attention Okay, so when when she came into when she knocked on the door, she ultimately agreed that she wants to get down with the program. Right? She looks back there at the chess set and says, do you play He said Yes, you see that little that little tie between like the game of chess and we already know what this is. So anyway, he is setting I think the whole show is setting him up to be 2.0. Well because we know can I finish that go quick then she says if you work with me, you won't get caught. That's another but seen that ribbon on the boat. Yes. This is my problem. I get this set up and we've all think that Tariq is going to have a spin-off the 48 hours after whatever happens which probably goes will die. But my problem with this is So Fe you turn from righteousness to desperation and two fucking seconds. Very thing. That's when we have to give our dramatic license. Let's say in reality. She would have took a couple of weeks but he did point out your shoes and busted your phone screen. Wish I know but and I agree with you. I know what you're about to say. She turned a little quickly for someone that was like we don't want to look like that when you don't want to be like that. However, we don't know what their background is and what she came from. Maybe she's like, you know what I can't make some quick. Money really quick to get out of here and take it further but we have 15 episodes like this shit's feels like a soap opera sometimes because the way that it's moving they could determine could it last minute so fast for me? Tariq does not have his he's not his dad. He doesn't have the swag like the way that he was talking to the girl. It just wasn't I get it. I don't know. I'm a grown-up now. Not the way that boys are supposed to talk to girls who said he was trying to get at. Oh girl. He no. No, no, he was trying to cook like he was basically trying to trying to convince her why he why she shouldn't why she shouldn't rat on him, but he should have been more smooth about it. Yes. Yes. Yes, he needs to me. I feel that you take on the target you speak to them in their language. She wasn't the type of person that seemed like if he would have tried to smooth her or swab her down. I don't know if that would. Would it work to either I think Honesty coming at her with the realities of look this is what the situation is. We're here take advantage of it. She knew what was up. She's like if you're gonna be with him, he's gonna get you caught up. He's not exactly discreet. So she we don't know what her background is. Yeah and what she's seen yet. So yeah, and here's the thing and I'm sorry two things that I have to say and I'll let you guys move on from here because I will come back to this because of my predictions but two things we already know that Tariq has got what it takes. We know that he's got swag like his dad because look at what he's pulled off when he was in the car with Canaan and he started coughing and trying to get away from the security dude. We know that he's got what it takes to finesse the situation. We know that he could go in and start speaking Italian in front of other people. We know he has what it takes. But right now do just has a chip on his shoulder and he's coming at old girl because she came at him first really like, you know, who you think you are. We'll do a whoop like that. So I think that's why he addresses that way but I do hear Point am I just wanted to say that specific conversation that they had you guys. Might be mad at me but I felt like the way week came up Fe was the American school system. Tariq was the Hustler the entrepreneur. He's like don't you want to make money? Right? If he's over here struggling shoes is all dirty laptop might not make it until June. So I thought on a deeper level that conversation there was like you trying to you trying to get it this way or you want to go with like everybody else does their but you know, that's just my To set the other thing. I was going to say it pertaining to the quickness and how fast they're going. We you gotta cut him some slack though bam like we in the season six is I mean, I think what they would if if this had gone into season 7, I think that they'd be like, okay we can we can draw this out a little bit more but they are they got to get to it. So I feel like it's just you know, and they said season episode 3 picks up even more it does because you know, I have a prediction of who God. Okay. So let's go before that now let's go into Proctor's wife. Wife she's delivered. She is no longer Proctor's wife. Don't nobody like her so Proctor's name Proctor's wife is a Lindsay. So apparently she got on her item passed the bar. I can represent myself and I got this holding it down and in the court system here and she's obviously wanted a to fight for custody for her daughter, which I hate by the way cuz you don't make a child choose which parent to actually Go ahead that courts and re-elected. She knew what she was doing to like. Oh, don't you remember when we have Corey would get our nails done and bah bah blah, but the more specific thing that I actually skipped over was Lindsay and and our guy what's his name? My mommy guys. Come on, we're sex recommends saying we need to put something on yet daughter. Which once again I hate to don't use a DOT. ER as a piece in this whole bang a bang thing that you guys are doing here and what a low mom to put your child. Yeah in the middle and that's what I'm talking about. And she also used her when she's like I know I can't get a job here. But if I get a recommendation from somebody here things will go a long smoother which she ultimately got but let's not act like this does not happen and male-female relationships husband-wife, whatever the situation It happens on both sides, which we actually do see in another still manipulation manipulation of the child the child and how both parents will go to the extreme even lie and do certain things in order to get their way. So it's realistic in that sense. But the having a judge there while that was the unrealistic part about it. Yeah, but what I also thought was interesting was when before that happened was when was when ghost goes to Proctor to get The Alibi. By and Proctor was like woohoo. I'm happy. He I don't know about you. I can see there and goes almost look like he's about to choke up. You look like you about to pull a tummy again and take them out. But that specific scene when it you get served. Is it always with that type of attitude? Did y'all notice that he knocked on the door? You're served banged on MM. Oh my geez. I don't ever want to get sir. That's the case. Can you help me know now? I feel you. I feel great. All right. I was like damn that dude has some serious delivery. All I could say is I think Proctor's wife. She'll be dead by episode 8. Yeah, okay, she'll be she'll be gone. And so now hit it Jill so team goes team Tasha pick a side. We know I'm likely team Tasha but never mind so Tasha and ghost or an arbitration Tasha has fired fired hired a forensic accountant to check all the accounts to see where ghost has been hiding. Money ghost is like really Tasha. You hired a detective to investigate my accounts really ghost. You had secret accounts touche points for everybody. So in that discussion, how did you guys feel I mean, they told Tasha look the prenup says you get nothing, you know, there's reasons why she could fight the prenup she might likely win some of the things was she on record as the accountant of the businesses there things that she could do, but that's a long fight. What's that face for Jimmy come in comments fight the That's why you get a prenup. So you don't have to fight it later on and and the in the face was I just remember Tasha was like I like to go by mrs. Green. Yeah. Well now you're not gonna get any green. Okay, you know my about this about this arbitration and again as I go back from the earlier Seasons when she had all this stack of cash that she would have when she would go when she when she would go shopping. How are you broke and you have no money when you've had access to all of this like again as I've said before a woman always needs to stack their own money and being that she was with the drug life was gonna give her that lesson though, not her mom who was gonna tell her that that's all she really knew. She knew that ghost was going to take care of her he needed her and she needed him they were a team so I mean, yeah, she's wrong for not stacking but as a teenager, do you know that? Hey my husband might leave me and find his first love and cheat and I'm gonna need Lines, so my Robbie had a great point Sorry. I'm sorry. Pardon me. Why was there a a what is it called the thing first place? I mean, you know, you gotta protect you all moments talking Bart, but but but the point is if they were building together and she was there from the very beginning. Why was there a prenup in the first? Oh, well, you should always have a blue sheet. We want prenup. Yeah. Yeah, but what they said to me identified it as like the only point that they made about the prenup is the That being said if you initiate divorced and you get nothing, yeah, so maybe that was just the point of a control a control thing. But again, I don't feel like Tasha is ever it. She never takes accountability for actions before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. So she went into this thing wanting all of this and she didn't remember of what the terms were for their prey. Shows like she knows she's talked about it. She knows that she gets no terms. However, when you sign something at 20 thinking it's forever, you're not signing a prenup and getting married to get divorced. So signing it. So how come she didn't use that as leverage once he started ethnic with Angela be like no bro referring to change we going to change this up like she just never accepts her. She never ever steps accept some responsibility for actions. Why did she had that shit changed bam is on a I just I don't understand. Why did she have A change. Okay. Continue. Well Tasha and goes had two more altercations. Yeah an elevator altercation well and an argument, right? Yeah, slow it down outside of the elevator after the arbitration where they discussed Tasha needing more money. It was for the kids. That's the only thing that she was looking for and they have the penthouse conversation which ghost was petty as hell. Can we talk about him saying I thought I took you off the list Tasha why? Take me off the list goes but you stayed here in time. It's no joke. Can I mention before the scene right before the elevator the dialogue there which which it shows this is literally a game of dominoes, right? It was if I go away from murder you don't get a dime, you know, and then it went along and then you become a suspect on The Wanted list blah blah blah so is right. It's so it just shows when one Domino Falls everything just keeps going going going. So that's why Tommy you know, he goes. Oh, yeah, I don't think so. But as far as Tasha in the kids and money killing ghosts gets you access to all the money as a widow and kind of takes the Heat and speculation off it which is what Tasha mentioned inside the car, which we will get to shout out real quick to the the chat room the live chat you as well. There are the chat is lit will try to flip this all shout out to you guys, but they're jumping in on the prenup conversation Jay Jackson says ghost manipulated her into that most likely he wasn't dumb back then and and I agree with that and then Kwame says prenup was there because ghost wanted to protect himself from this very moment. Tasha did are Tasha did after all threatened to turn him in and I agree with that because like we've always said ghosts really at the end of the day really does think about him. Self and just remember that I said that when we bring things up later, may I just I had to I had to write some notes. This is my whole take on this Tasha goes and I'm going to point to both sides. So if you don't mind just give me about 35 seconds. There are two sides to the accountability of ghost and Tasha has Paradigm number one as a man. He is responsible to keep the family unit together and strong and do what's best for the family being a drug dealer being a drug lord was in doing that. He attracted a woman with minimal. Show range and based on his career choice number two when ghosts wanted to Pivot from drug life into a life of legitimacy. Tasha did not support him in his and his vision and opted to remain in the dark underworld a man's vision is a man's vision and the fact that Tasha didn't support a positive change for the family over a superficial lifestyle displayed selfishness, even though ghost is selfish as hell. Also trying to convince Tommy to keep goats in the game. This will drive any man. A way out Angela any woman could have been Angela wants Tasha was not on board Angie Angie represented something what ghost wasn't able to pursue a Tasha. Remember ghost and Tasha used to make sweet love in the beginning. But once Tasha challenge goes his ability to go legit. He struggled to Envision a future with her. Thus going to Tommy behind ghost is back to promote their nefarious Affairs. So ultimately I say all that to say Ultimately, that's Emily. I think often ultimately I say all that because this is both of them. Both of them have both made mistakes, but when it comes to change Tasha wasn't on board, but I say all this to say this is a game of chess between this is a power between ghost and between ghost and Tasha. Tommy is stuck in the middle as a dummy and I feel like they should probably take him out and move forward which I don't think that would happen. But this is how I feel in regards to this so That's all I have to say. And I don't I don't I don't think I will drag Tasha for the rest of tonight. He said thank you though, man. Yeah, we appreciate that man. So since you brought up Tommy, let's talk about him. Lakisha really quickly. Why's there because we have to various Lakisha Lakisha needs to calm down like he's just gonna be like downfall who's at the door not planet. - why is she so sad so concerned about cash now like she might now we're gonna Mash is her number one man for Five Seasons. We hadn't heard about cash and now all of a sudden now all the sudden what about me and cash girls knocking sorry for my child means send me away. Like you said, I'll be holla back when it's all right, right, right. So, you know, obviously Tasha is trying to find Tommy in the early parts of this episode because he's presumed dead which that whole setup of Tommy pretending to be dead getting dropped off the Uber, you know. Yeah. I mean I got why it happened like that banana something about it. Just kind of rubbed me wrong. So Tasha goes to Lakeisha Department. Lakeisha's Mad shows her Tommy's their slams the door in his face and tries to tell Tommy he can't talk to Lucas anymore is LaKeisha dumb. We've already established that but is LaKeisha done? Lakeisha is dumb, but let's So be clear and regards to this. So with the whole sermon that I just preach a couple minutes ago. You also have to you also have to remember you also have to remember that that the problem lies between them is because hold on it's in my notes. I have it somewhere. Hold on. I wrote something down keep talking. Let me actually pick it up from there because I did actually want to even know what kind of dragon location now but Allah as an actress. The same later on where you know, Tommy ended up you're getting her, you know the bag it at first she was upset about it. But then she kind of flipped the switch and say you don't gotta talk to Tasha about anything. All you got to do is talk to me and I just thought how she went from Mad to that seductive, you know, sexy type Vibe. It's really showed her range and that's was a needy moment. I didn't think it was seductive at all. I didn't either and and also Um I say with you know with all with with with what's going on with the ghost and Tasha. I said Keisha knows this which is why she's trying to be her own version of them with she and Tommy but Keisha is dumb, but she's not dumb enough to recognize the game of it. And so she knows that let's be real Tommy's f&r because he needs support right? And so Keisha knows that and keeps your always has always aspired to be her version of ghost and Tasha, so she's so she's using him by saying you can't do that you You can't be with them. The only problem that I have with this is Tommy has never been that type of guy to be he's not apologetic about anything. And so now he's pretending to be apologetic. I have it kind of issue with that. And then I also have an issue with Keisha in the sense of So Keisha basically doesn't want to be about this life, but she just kind of wants to do to kind of you know, basically she want to do just to follow up. You know, I'm saying. Yeah, she wants the privilege Chic she wants to privileges but he/she, you know what you're getting into and my my problem with Tommy is I have to just drag him for a second. I can't stand we do this and I felt like he was weak in that moment because you need to like you need to you either need to get this chick on board. Are you need to get her out that but that's what am I doing? No gifts. No, that's not Tasha Tasha. Yeah, this is how you work hard. He should have got what you do. He sure got her outpatient got around way before that. I mean, so but the thing he needs are he needs her Alibi. He needs her to make moves for him. He needs her to be here right here. Right Story So Far, he's not being a weak man. He's manipulating much like we've seen ghosts and others do because he needs her to play her position and the only way she's going to play her position is that she feels secure. Come on, Coach. Okay, I'll take one of these. Playing I'll take it back. I'll take it back to me. Okay? So in addition to that, do you guys not believe that Tommy is really really feeling Lakisha outside of business. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I don't think he's still over Holly. No, I agree with that and I make a point about how Lena second because I you know, I feel like I mean not that I'm trying to kill off nobody like bam, but I'm just saying like I'm feeling like Holly she was better served for Tommy. Then Lakeisha was like she Really about it, you know what I'm saying, but agree with that, but the thing is I feel like somewhere in Tommy's life. He does long for family. He Longs for something and I feel like nobody. Yeah and because of that, I think he really has this call it what you will but he there's something that's gravitating him towards Lakeisha of outside of business outside of just she could be my alibi or my you know, my Clyde also turn my Bonnie to my Clyde seasons one through four to five ghost. Was his brother. Her ghost was his family. Yeah, I'll season six. Tommy is looking that's all he got. We're here right now lost his mother his past. His father Yes girls is his yet. And and here's why I really felt bad for Tommy this season, you know or just this episode maybe I was just thinking how everything that he's done. Thus far has really been for the great for what he thought was the greater good family for the family, you know, he killed Holly because he thought that she went she was She killed ghost or she had him. You know what I'm saying? She does this this kind of stuff out of like his heart for the family and that's what made me feel bad that he's in this position right now and Tasha and ghost pulls him like the dummy in the middle. Yeah. Now he's dead and he goes right along with it because of his loyal he does now speaking of speaking of pulling and dragging I have to give Tasha props. She put pause right in a position where she needed to be in another question is What type of job to Spas have I don't think she does isn't that kind of crazy because I feel okay and I don't actually remember but I feel like when she was introduced doesn't Angie or didn't NG help with like some of her John's College keeps she think she was definitely definitely she was definitely helping with that. But I just found that it was interesting that pause. Like I said a couple maybe a week ago how pause has his Vengeance for for ghosts and what he's Done which I disagree because I don't believe that anybody you can't make anybody do anything that they want to do. Angie is completely to blame for her actions. So pause as Cooper Saxe says, do you know your sister right? And that's the thing is you only told pause certain things which we ultimately found out here, obviously the phone and everything. So so pause is just going after what she knows what you love practice. This is very entertaining but they talking about they said what somebody said Said I'm sorry, I can't find you. But she's old Kwame again going to be coming up with some dope comments. He said crack. Oh wait. No, that was me. Keisha isn't a redhead. I wonder when that will be when that will come up. So that's a good that's a good point because member Tommy was always after these redheads. Kraig heads are about as Dependable as a plastic Skillet. They're talking about Tommy. That's a that's a good one. Yes, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Yeah funny though going to mention though. Tasha sent that text to Tommy saying we might have to do some damage control on pause. So I know it they showed that for like, you know, when you text her right before right before Blanca came and then Blanca Blanca question Tasha again, and she admitted that you know, she was with him the night before having sex with silver-tipped are we so Terry silver? So is there anything else that you guys want to talk about with Cooper Saxe pause? And Tasha? I mean, here's the bottom line. Line if the government if Cooper Saxe had been more aware, maybe maybe we need to help pay for the funeral some type of way. I know he's walking on eggshells then pause my to lean more to their side, but she was like, I don't have any money. I can't pay my for my sister's funeral. There's obviously some things going on that I don't understand shout out to her for dropping that cell phone in the foot of the casket. Yeah, that was that was a dumb. But that's the only time I miss because I posited my favorite character I get I get her I understand her love for her sister, but Whole power all of her role in power. I never really got down with her. Yeah. She's a little annoying to me overbearing and all that stuff. But that was the dopest move that I think she did because that was it. That was G move right there. And do you think before we go into the funeral? Do you think that are we going to assume that ghost and Tasha or ghost Tasha wrote a check on behalf of like the funeral he did? Yeah. Well, okay. So yeah and to that point because when she walked into the funeral even gave her the head not like, you know, like it was an acknowledgement. Yeah, but don't you to wear it? Where did that money come from? If she didn't have any money at all? She wrote. I think that money came from Tommy somebody but she didn't come anywhere that that was the me said if that's my question. That's my question but ghosts also said that he's been giving Tasha money for the kids, but you know, she wants to be paid more to cover for him but the factions and yeah some more extortion to extortion lots of extortion. Yeah funeral. Hmm. Okay. I thought one of the Best scenes of the whole series. Yeah, like I loved this seen so many different moments a guys. I don't know if I'm supposed to be covering guys just go on in so the scene starts very important dialogue. We see Steve tapio, which we haven't seen since was season 5 or episode 10 episode 10. Yeah, and he says specific information that they had Dre in custody this whole time Sax was like, oh I had no idea. Yeah, and then he'll be testifying tomorrow. Now if Dre finds out that Angela's dead, he made vacate the the whole situation. So I think that's set up for episode 603 of course, but I assume that cuprous accident old my boy tied up Donovan. He's working. I didn't know if he was going to have a job this season, but he's back congrats a tie, but I'm assuming that Cooper Saxe told so I told Donovan and I have been went to Drake to go get him before he can leave because as you saw Dre was watching it on the news while doing push-up who and what is new cornrows. Yeah, I still gonna run no, no Enjoy is not doing that. He's not just a I think I don't think he's dead. I think he'll be dead before he testifies Dre's Dead next week. I also think that'd be crazy because he just got back. He's dead. He's gone. He's gone. I feel that way when it happens. I think it was interesting that sax learned. He didn't know that Dre was in custody. So it also puts into play somebody else that could be responsible for the hit on Angela. So it's you know, there was a lot of confusion for a lot of people this episode goes spent the whole episode confused, you know, when he got to the funeral they walked up and Sachs was like, he's OJ exactly what you knew Todd Love Actually the OJ. Yeah, there's so much to talk about in this episode, but I know we gotta go but listen because I there's something very very important that I want to talk about with councilman taste. So hopefully we can we can talk about that because there's something very important there. But can we even turn back a little bit and talk about the fact that Tommy officially got the sort of permission from Tariq to kill his dad remember he was just like, okay tell me first. Yeah, he was like, he just got to tell me first and then even in Tommy's face, he was just like oh that's what I was looking for. He was looking for for to recore Tasha to tell me because member even in the car. He was like, what are you saying Tosha when she said I don't know if we should you know, you know if it goes dies basically will get you know, the inheritance and he was like, what are you trying to say? So he just wanted permission to grab onto something that it was okay to kill a ghost Tasha really quickly. It says when Tasha and ghosts are arguing she mentions that killing. Tommy would be hard for Tarik since he's lost so much. That was another moment for ghosts that says damn like here we go again that Between my son and Tommy remember I said that we saw last season how he saw the two of them mineral was last season. It was the first episode he saw them getting out of the car and he had this issue with the fact that they're getting so close. So anyway, that's that's another that's going to come up again in the prediction. So anyway, I wanted to talk about that because okay, wait he go ahead. Go ahead. Go God just hop back on the funeral scene. Another great moment was when Tommy goes up to pause and say if there's anything that you need let me know. Once again, there is a recurring theme with the writing if you guys have seen juice when Tupac AKA Bishop killed killed steel he went up to his mom and say look it is anything that you need. Let me know. So the writing so far has been pretty good. Panting yes, she did and it's also another scene from Five Heartbeats because she the guy did that to Diahann Carroll as well. Remember when he came at the funeral Grant. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I thought that I thought that was a good way for for Tommy to let his make his presence be known to goes at a funeral that basically I'm still alive and then when he asked Tasha when goes as Tasha Tasha said, yep, oh smiling - yeah, and that's how she should have. Yep. Just like you keep me out the loop and keep you out of the loop. So that was his moment. He was just like I am by myself. Yeah, I don't have my son. I don't have Tommy and I do not have this woman standing next to me holding my arm and used in. Yep and everything's gone. So I think that was the moment of his mind. He's just like, okay all that software. Hey where he literally has to has to play against everyone. Yeah. Yeah, I think somehow what they're going to do this season to try to turn him back into ghost like you remember how we had James Jamie goes like we had all of that and I think someone Last week that James or Jamie died with Angie and I think ghost is trying to he has to come back. That's what everybody wanted to see deal. Jason is trying to force Jason is trying to Jason is front of Jason is trying to force him and I think between between with Tommy and Keisha and so forth, he will have to go back into he will have to go back into his ways and with councilman take out some intake hit it. Okay. Go ahead darling brother go. I mean, so we see councilman Tate holding this huge press conference. I mean The major things that I want to take from this scene as the character Will Robinson walks up disrupts the whole thing goes to take this as an opportunity to give himself an alibi for what he was doing the night before I was with Tate writing the speech and then ultimately in the following scenes. We see tape higher well to pretty much stock those but then we co dog come out. Not take care of his own assistant, I believe and I likes and Derick. Yeah, Derek and I like that because it showing what Tate is the actual take that I think we all have like predicted him coming now, but now we're seeing but the actual dog side of him. We are you know, what else is interesting about this to me when Co stepped in when will came into that press conference and started talking and I felt like something snapped and his mind. And went off like I like this politics thing. I you know, I and I think he looks at Tate. I just feel like he felt very comfortable. He likes the attention and the respect and I think that that is something to watch obviously their relationship is but I feel like ghost is trying to step on or whilst of them ultimately step on Tates feet. Oh, absolutely. Yeah literally also and then also with this with this cash Grant the fact that he He called out go saying you were something like a cornered guy way back in the day. I thought that was really interesting as well. And although I think that Tate is going to die. I do Wonder now cash because the way that he just came in and interrupted. I'm kind of curious to see what's going on with that. Once again ghost. He has to put himself first he has to has to be about him and he needed to cover himself at that very very moment. He saw the perfect opportunity to do so, so he said I've because he found the information out from Tate that he'd been writing for 18 hours. He said I've been writing with him for 18 hours and that's an alibi and and he no longer goes had a pretty dope line. He says Rashad your success is My Success politics for Success. It is a little bit deeper than pot. Wait a minute. I'm sorry God When you mention a politics because like I said, I think that I think Lawrence I think he's dead. I know he's it. I'll save that for another time. But real quick while we're on the rims. Can we can we show with this with this meme is going around about me mother week. So the week. Yeah with Lauren State, you know, we snatched this off. Well first we'll yeah. If he wants to dig into your past and the gangster stuff who I got to tell you, I interviewed him on the carpet his wardrobe Dapper down. It was like a half suit up top. I have different Elm go to my Instagram to check out his wardrobe because it is fire. And then the other meme of the week that we have is can you put that one up? Yeah. So how are you ain't this the truth Man? Classic Fresh Prince of Bel-Air reference dark-skinned Aunt Viv last chance, you know seasons 1 through 5 is like dark skin Aunt Viv season six we still like it, but I never took a story. Okay. So one other thing before we go into our top 14 after-show clip of of this week really really quickly. So when Tommy was with black Grimace and oh, yeah right here baton and so forth. I just I thought it was corny the home sat the whole agency. So my question for my question is so great. Yeah like so how was too big So you have how do you have a high SAT score? But you are small time crook like the whole thing just didn't make sense to me. You have a 22 I just I thought it was corny, but it's a setup. So we see we see bit to bit Frances now stepping up to black grandmas who I didn't I black Grouse it and I was like, yeah, but we see we see now the two of them are butting heads and and and to bid was very persistent and wanting to step up too. But work. Yeah because he wants to get that number two because he got passed over before and no more crystal ball. No more in addition to that. I believe that two-bit is becoming more frustrated. But also even against Tommy I feel like there might be something there but that's a part of the prediction. So yeah, so that's that and you know, what one of our favorite moment because that's what we're counting down but 15 of our favorite moments. So I happen to choose this one and I thought it was hilarious because of a few of us fanned out because we knew ooh that Dre is a wrote a music great actor and Dre, but I think I'm not a lot of people knew the Heats of the great artists as well. So here is one of our favorite moments number 14. I don't want to make a hit record and turn the bedroom to the studio turn off your phone. This is a closed session girl. This is what You've been rehearsing for let's set the tempo with the fast too slow. You take the lead in I'm a back you are all I can make sure you hit every hunt know. We're making love imperfect harmonies personal serenade for you. Ladies. Yes, absolutely. And I think he's gonna really a he's focusing a lot on its music because I don't think that he's gonna last long, it's Dre on power. So shout out to rotate move. And yeah, I'll have my man singing in the studio man, you know, if you got special talents or whatnot. You gotta do it here in the studio warming baby you okay? Hey. My predictions obviously we think Dre is going to meet his untimely death bam says next episode. I'm thinking maybe four but three seems likely I think we're sure take we're going to see more and more of the gangster side of him and what he's really up to because once he gets the information with ghosts, does he plan to do with it? You know, you can't make him sit down and I'm looking forward to seeing what Tyreke Junior and Fe get into Terry Jr. Sorry ghost Junior Tariq it Fe. Okay. I don't like her name by the way. Those are my predictions. Okay, so I'll go next again. I think the tube it is getting a little frustrated and remember when Kane and tries to turn to bit against them anyway, so he might even have some ammunition to turn on Tommy and maybe side with ghosts at some point. I'm not sure but so that's number one prediction and this is all for ghosts by the way. Number two prediction, which I'm really behind when Jason said to ghost when he came back to him. He said basically you can Tommy but then you got to step in as distro. He said that's impossible. He said well, if not you then who so listen when ghosts have the realization that Tariq is no longer his son. He might just realize that since I don't have anybody the way that I thought that I had them I got to do what works best for me. He might turn his son on to the game remember last season and I'm he said, what do you want from me to reset teach me the motherfucking game goes so he's he might he might he might that's a stretch but this is Ghost and this is he season 6 and they probably got to go out with a bang. So that's a possibility that he puts Tariq in a position as ghost 2.0 and bring him up under him possibility or if Drake is does not die right away. Then it's a possibility that Dre might side with ghosts because they have a common enemy with Tommy and you know that might happen as well. That's my problem with the heat. Wow, you throw me there? Yeah. I can I can go. I'm just looking forward to Tariq Squad taking over the campus and throwing all types of parties inside the dining hall with all different types of drugs because that's what's about to go down. Can we be clear requite what grade is to repent in the eleventh or twelfth? He's a freshman acting like a senior. Okay, that's what it is. But I'm looking forward to the storyline of Dre. I honestly do want to see I don't think he'll be leaving New York anytime soon. I think he's got stuff. He's got to take care of with he's putting himself first. So I think he will testify and take all the heat that comes back his way with returning. Some fire Dre will not make it to testify against him. I believe he's going to be dead because again as Jill said with Cooper Saxe not knowing that there's you know, they they run their mouths a lot. Like there's a there's a bunch of there's a bunch of telling amongst each other. So the words going to get out that Dre is is out and it and it's going to be a goose chase to see who can get to him. So that Jason meant Jason may have someone try and get to him I think is going to be a chase down but I think Dre is dead next week. He's busy he got some things to do. He's dead. He's gone. Also, when as I said earlier when I when I gave that little sermon it kind of made me realize that with Tommy being in the middle of Tasha and then Kind of pulls enemy twice. This will make perfect sense to use for them to to to save this would make sense for for them to take time for them to take Tommy out. As you mentioned with the thing that goes said to him it would make sense. If if they if they take Tommy out take Lakeisha out and then they can go about their fake happy lives and go about their business, but in reality is not going to work because Tommy's kind of the star of the show. So I think ghosts will I think goes is dead. 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Hosts Bamm Ericsen, Jill Munroe, Robin Ayers and Jimmy V discuss episode 2 “Whose Side Are You On?”  Ghost realizes that he’s lost Tasha, Tommy and Tariq. Tasha vs. Ghost in arbitration. Tariq builds his team (Is he Ghost 2.0?) Ghost finds out that he didn’t kill Tommy afterall, what will he do now? About Power After Show: Follow our POWER AFTER SHOW, to see how our hosts follow a man who successfully lives his crazy double life. We discuss this extravagant lifestyle with all the surprising twists that occur in the show. Subscribe here for in depth discussions, reviews and recaps including some of your favorite cast members. ABOUT POWER: The series follows James St. Patrick, nicknamed "Ghost", owner of a popular New York City nightclub. In addition, he is a major player in one of the city's biggest illegal drug networks. He struggles to balance these two lives, and the balance topples when he realizes he wants to leave the drug ring in order to support his legitimate business. It appears James "Ghost" St. Patrick has it all -- a drop-dead gorgeous wife, a stunning Manhattan penthouse, and the power and success that come with owning hot new nightclub Truth. But a closer look reveals a man living a double life. When Ghost isn't tending to his Fortune 500 business, he's catering to clients of another operation: a drug empire that serves only the rich and influential. While loyal sidekick Tommy protects the cash-cow narcotics venture at all costs, Ghost's new reality is using Truth as more than a front to launder money. It's a way out of the drug game and into a legitimate life with his family, even if everything he loves becomes unknowingly threatened. "Power" is co-executive produced by Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson (who also co-stars) and show creator Courtney Kemp ("The Good Wife").

That's the team. This is a pretty neat. Hello listeners, welcome to pass the poutine podcast. I finally found a Vietnamese person to do this episode with I am ecstatic and please enjoy the episode. Today's very special because I finally met another Vietnamese Canadian person in Vancouver. I don't know why it's so hard for me to find get people here. There's so many like but you know, what in my elementary school there was only like two V two other people in my grade. So everyone was Chinese. Yeah same okay, but the problem is people know you live in Vancouver on this podcast. I don't tell people where I live. But I say it's Vancouver. I say it's Vancouver. Yeah, but you don't come is because you didn't live on Kingsley. That's that's right. If you had gone to town, that's right. There were like your class would have been like 50% Vietnamese hundred percent. Yeah. So actually today we have a Vietnamese Canadian and her name is Jen. Thank you Jen. Hi, thank you. Thanks for having me meeting of your Canadian for me is rare because I don't know about you growing up. Most of my friends are Chinese same really. Yeah, same thing. Okay, because I was like, oh, I'm just not cool enough to be like Hang out the Viet girls the vehicles that I knew growing up were like that went to school with me and Elementary School. We're like really aggressive. Okay same but they all had like bleach blonde hair and they all wore like tight TNA spandex. It's when there were like 10 years old. Yeah, right and have those girls you didn't have those I wouldn't have what kind of until I got to high school. Oh, no the oh well, yeah, I guess that's true until I got to high school because there's no vehicles in my elementary. Yeah, but once we go to High, School whole did your high school was like yeah, my high school was like it's a jungle. It's famous. No, but no high schools also famous for being like a stabbing. Yeah. Yeah. I thought yeah I have happened when we were the year before we got to the school. Oh, yeah. Oh, so by the time like you went there it was it was less. Yeah, so there were like reporters at that time walking around the neighborhood and they were like interviewing. No, like people in my class. We were told there were enjoying the new that they're like, so how do you feel about going to school next year? And then my god, wow, like regarding the like going to a school where there was a stabbing? Oh my God, welcome to Canada. Everybody. A lot of people think Canada is like this like friendly finally like polite. No, no tell me Buddhism but high schools we get stabbings to we just we don't got guns you have guns, but we don't stop We Do It Old School? Was a girl who came from my school who went to your school? Yeah and same age as us and she smashed someone's head in a locker. Whoa, it looks she came from my your school and went to I don't know if I know who that is, but I did remember a girl smashing a girl's head into a locker. There were fights like van wild East Van is people. Okay. People don't know a lot. Like what do you think about Calvin Vancouver there like oh Stanley Park mountains. No. So let's talk about East Hastings and each that it's crazy, but it's more gentrified now, but like even in this area my boyfriend teaches close by yeah still so many problems kids that are homeless kids parents are in jail, or you don't even have parents or parents right want them. Are they mostly like like Viet or like Asian or its a mix? It's a mix. That's true. You sign covers quite like me. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, I know man. Okay, that was a that was a whole thing about cut most of this. I'm gonna keep all of that. Wonderful. But first I want to talk about like growing up Vietnamese. What kind of foods did you eat at home? Yeah. Mommy had like Vietnamese food. Nice nice. I love far away and oh like pretty much everything that a Vietnamese mom. When you go out to a great restaurant yams. Like I can make this at home better. Oh, right, right, right, like why why spend money to you? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So every pretty much almost like Every bit - my mom can make but then she would also try to make her version of the like Western dishes. You can go. Oh, yeah, my family never did that really weak. So what did you want me to give you a burger? No, she's the Getty but I also played like fish sauce and it was blown the spaghetti. I've never no idea. I was like, but you know, it's like it's like westernize food, but it doesn't really taste quite right like right like something isn't right, but it's a little bit different. Yeah. It's a bit. French Cruiser, you know like speaking about Vietnamese food. If you go to like Korea or Japan like the popular foods there now is just like a fusion Western mix of that food so late. Yeah, so like for example people think of Korean food is like cream barbecue or like some soup, but you actually go to Korea or even some restaurants here. It's like chicken with like cheese. Yes, right thing is huge. It's huge. But like if you go to Korea like, it's still Asia. We don't eat cheese now we don't so I was like, where the hell did they get this cheese? That's all I'm saying. So when you were saying your mom made like westernize via food, maybe your mom was ahead of the game, but it's like she was ahead of the game like maybe in like five years. I'm going to have like this like a Cheesesteak with like plain spaghetti. No thoughts. No space became a bit of oil salt and pepper. We're gonna do she's right. We're gonna make it western Canada cheese, maybe some ketchup. Yeah, call it via diffusion. But you know growing up my my dad cooked a lot of my mom cooked a lot. But when they were lazy my like family fed me a lot of McDonald's. Did your did your family do that? I'm like, is it a Viet thing right don't know. If it's a Vietnamese, okay, but like there was a solid long amount of time in sixth grade when my mom would consistently take me every single day to McDonald's and I'll get like a quarter pounder after school girl. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like I just remember eating so much McDonald's growing up as a kid. Yeah. Oh my God. It was not that cheap. It's not I don't I honestly don't know how they did it. It's a yeah, but I feel like they because now when I look at my nails and I still eat McDonald's now, but I eat it more because it's Nostalgic. Yeah, not like, you know, I spent $45 at McDonald's the other day. Oh my God, it wasn't me. How can you what did you what did you do? You making a YouTube video like what you ordered? So there was a 20 and 20 chicken nuggets. Oh, is it 40 in total? So it's 20 and 24 $20.20 for 20 20 20 dollars and twenty dollars and twenty cents for 14x14 I go, okay. And that was like their New Year's deal. So we did that plus Hot Chocolate from both of us plus sausage and Egg McMuffins my boyfriend wanted to make his Emile so much. That's how we got toward you. I love it. Did you guys eat at all? Oh, yeah in what in one sitting I love it your animals. Yeah animals. Love it growing up. Did you speak to your parents and enemies what so my parents were refugees, right? They can formally same same. Okay. My parents came from Hong Kong. Oh cool. It's not North and South thing. Yeah, cuz like I have a friend from he's via Montreal Montreal. We're Canadian four months ago. But and his mom came from Malaysia, but his mom's from South my parents are from the north and Hong Kong. But anyway, sorry gone. Yeah, that would have been cool. They're from Hong Kong. But anyway, so my parents are from Malaysia and my dad there he I think he taught English in Malaysia. Yeah at the refugee camp at the refugee camp. He taught me well. A few G's English. So he I think he was like the principal if you can call it a little school there and so he taught them English. So then he knew English when he came over and then my mom did too and so I never really had any problems also, so like you if you wanted to communicate something you could just express yourself in English and they got it. Yeah, but I thought he's right. Not that great. Great. Well, it's like yeah, it's the Canadian. So I spoke a little bit of Vietnamese, and then anything else is English, but I think I spoke mostly it really if you ask my mom. She'll probably tell you otherwise, but she's like she knows speak ye shall speak via the view ads. I don't know. I think I really like myself like when people make fun of it. I don't even think it's racist because it's so funny so funny. Oh my God hilarious the best comedic. Genius like that really? Well, I don't know. I think I do it pretty well because we're different I think Ken jong's is okay. Did you watch ken jong's bit on like Vietnamese? People are like Koreans on weed. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's okay. Yeah, I think Jo Koy doesn't does he do it? I think so. I haven't checked that out. But there's always a classic one with that that woman at the well the nails I don't care what Angela Johnson. Yeah classic. She made Vietnamese people famous. That was awesome. Yeah, I was crazy. Yeah, it was long but I still hear it today. It's a good bit. But you know what? Like I find a lot of people get Vietnamese and Thai mixed up have you noticed but that's a really similar so similarly similar because I'll be at a Thai restaurant. Don't be like listening to them and I'm like are they speaking Vietnamese that's happened to me. All right, the more you listen. And you you're like I don't understand anything. They're saying that's not right. That's how I know. It's time. I don't understand a word to be my brother is dating Asian girl. That's not Vietnamese. Okay, and then they were walking on the street and then she heard people speaking Vietnamese. So she said to my brother like hey go east Rob and Tom what they're saying, right he goes and he goes back to he's like, they're speaking Thai. Yeah. It sounds so similar I get confused. So I can't even expect anyone else to know the difference. Yeah, it's ya know so much of Thai people are listening to this podcast. We're not we're not I mean away that's racist man. But like, oh, okay. So your dad knew how to speak and actually my dad. So did your pants in Cantonese? Oh, okay. I think I think my dad learned a little bit. My mom may be learned. A little bit my so I have two older brothers that were born in Vietnam and then like we're refugees with my parents. I was born in Canada later. So I'm like the spoiled brat, right? Yeah, but the good life exactly. I only know the good life right II piggyback and steal their like sad story, but I've only known luxury. What Cantonese so they were actually I don't know how long your parents were in Malaysia for but my family was in Hong Kong for four years. Wow. Yeah was quite long as your parents didn't pick up a lot of cutting. Yeah. I bought these because you know what it is. So what I heard is that they just stay in the refugee camp, right? And then it's just like all other Vietnamese people. I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe not probably not. Yeah. I don't know how it was, but my dad actually also spoke English and he was a translator for the you Pain, oh my yeah. Yeah, so and I saw his little car after this was in Hong Kong. Oh, wow. Yeah, so you would help the UN like translate Vietnamese documents in English and stuff like that for people filling out forms. So my dad is actually really intelligent but he's also I don't know. Maybe it's just try. I don't know if it's like Vietnamese or if it's like intelligent man or something, but my dad because he's like super intelligent. Actually. He doesn't talk and have any emotions ever. We're actually talks to me. I remember like growing up it's hard. I would like try to talk to him. He likes like Dad like what was it like growing up like in Vietnam and then like going on with my dad on this? Oh my God, I would love to seriously bring him talk. Bring him on Ice. I will I've been trying to get people's moms and dads. Oh my God - everyone's like no no. No, but I want to hear like more older people stories and stuff like that. Don't worry. Oh my God. I'll be like ciao. Ciao. Ciao. Yeah, but God that's that would be hilarious. Okay, dude, maybe you could do like a could do like a daughter father like Parts. I don't think I could because if I did you would see me laughing my ass off the entire podcast that what really is your dad. Look just like a super cute like he's he takes everything really seriously. Oh, does he to an extent where it's like, it's almost like a caricature so funny. I love you. Like I love I love Ya know it talk about it. Yeah, if your dad wants to come he's totally oh, yeah. Oh, yeah on podcast. No, no way. He's just like talking is it you think it's a user with his laptop and he's like recording you're lying talking your liar. But then when we enter the room or something or make noise you like he pauses so mad. He's like, I don't interrupt. Yay - no, baby. He's on Twitch know what I wanted to talk about like girls, right? Because I don't know if this is like a uniquely Vancouver thing because it's like all we know because we get up here. Yeah, but there's this like the reason I bring it up. Because now there's this whole like ABG. Yeah. Yeah, and before that. We were calling them LG's here. Wow. It was like 20 tons or something earlier. Yeah, but back then when I like what's using the term algae a lot. I knew that people in California were using the term ABG so so it was for a why did she has been around since LG was around it's been around for a long time. Okay for like people not from Vancouver or Canada LG means little girl little girl and an ABG means Asian baby girl, right and now we're girl is pretty much a Vietnamese Asian baby girl. Yeah, but enemies but like we would also kind of call never girls like Chinese girls that kind of dressed and yeah that Trend to it's a style so it's not even girls were like the original ABG. Yeah, I would say so because I wanted to ABG a lot of that EBG The stuff like that. I feel much like a Vietnamese girl, right like it derives from like the Vietnamese girl living her best like but a little bit of us like SoCal is like there's a lot of Vietnamese people so that would make sense to zero. That's true. Very heavy getting he's right. That's right. La has a lot of it people just the city of Westminster alone. She's but like so what the ABG girl thing I feel like with enamor girls growing up. They also kind kind of like earned the namma girl title. Do you know what I mean? Right because like to have the credit you need to have the credit like you meaning like your parents grew weed and sold drugs and your boyfriend walked around with a machete even though he was 12 years old right like North That's in again. By the way. Oh my God, that is what is happening. I know I should have kept my bomber from cousin's kid inherited his from his tale. It's an air. Yeah and who God is it's a family heirloom. Yeah, and I told him I was like, do you know the history of that like and I was like the puffiness is to keep you from getting stuck. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God, that's so funny. This is yeah, so and he's got a gold chain now. Oh see you're not the enemies until you wear that goes. Yeah, right. It's like your extra G if you have the gene in like you need the Jade. Yeah, and it's like better if it's like inherited from your like Grandma or yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's got like powers from the previous iteration. Yeah. Yeah. So so it's interesting now with the whole ABG thing. I feel like anyone can be an ABG because you don't really need cred to be an ABG. No, right you just like you just kind of Like just by by the link and you can put it on Instagram, right? Then you're an ABG. So that's kind of interesting. Like now that I'm like older and I'm like watching all these young people grow and they grow up with the internet. Like I feel like we got internet when we were like, I don't know seven eight around there. Yeah. Oh the best of us. Yeah Yahoo! Ooh was lit. Yeah. It was one of my classmates in grade 6. We will everyone had Asian Avenue so she had it but she I guess started like talking crap about our homeroom teacher. Oh on Asian Avenue like we're like 11. Yeah, and I guess someone else in the class like hated her and told the teacher like link the two Dave the teacher the URL. Wow, that's Patti. Yeah Petty like petty petty the teacher went on the page and I guess God. Really hurt ya and then almost expelled the student because and then she started live teacher started talking front of the class. Like we all know who it was she didn't say her name, but she was just like this. You can't write this. This is illegal. This is slander and you know, imagine being eleven-year-old like Chinese girl being like Oh my God, I broke the law. I just called you a bitch go to university my permanent record. Exactly. So she was horrified. She like was cry. Crying, it was funny. It was hectic. But yeah Asian girls in Vancouver. I feel like don't really match The Stereotype that people have about Asian girls abroad especially not Vietnamese. No, no, no, not me. No, like like what are the enemies girls like crazy crazy crazy crazy, right? Are there like levels of like crazy? Like I feel like that's true. I studied psychology. Which means Extra extra Crews and you know, you're crazy. Well, see if that makes me a little bit less crazy, but I still study doing yeah, I'm just like this that's just life, you know, whatever but have you visited Vietnam I have yeah you have when did you go last first time? I was when I was 12. Hmm. Oh my God. How is that? How is that experience? It was fine. It was really like I liked it. It was enjoyable because my cousins were as I like a shit ton of God. I think it Covid me thank you have time like 20 cousins. You don't know who any of them are like who the hell when you're on the phone your moms. Like tell them you missed them and I'm like, I don't know what I don't do I call them cheese. Yeah, I like are I miss you and I'm like Mom, right? And then yeah, so I finally got to meet all my cousins and stuff like that and that was really fun because they took me out because they were all like not my age but like a little bit older than I was when they were younger. So your parents were like the younger sibling. My mom is the youngest Okay, but she's the third or fourth youngest overall. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah, I was going to say like my parents had so many siblings like eight or nine intensively. I don't yeah, I don't know and everyone comes together for an event. Oh my God or something dinner. Oh my God. It's insane. It's just too many people just sit on the ground. And did you ever get like a ton of newspaper? I just like more people came you put more newspaper. Only member I don't Member I want to say yes, but like yeah, I also don't remember. Yeah, I just remember because we always like Vinny's we always eat on the ground. Yeah. I think it's like changing now, you know, we're we can afford for yeah, we can afford Furniture. Yeah. The war has been my husband over for a couple of years. Now, you know the government yes is getting meat. So I went to Vietnam first when I was 12, and then I went before I graduated University in 2015, and then I went to get in 16 and in 2018. So you want a lot like this. My grandma is 95. Oh, well, I'm gonna lose that you said is let me she still alive. Oh my God. 95 so then you know, my mom loves her mom. So it's my mom. Okay, I have been trying to go as frequently as I can because she may go one day and she does have dementia. Obviously. I don't write so I would be surprised if she didn't have dementia back, right? Yeah, but there are some very rarely some people who are still really sharp at that age. But yeah, she's a her memory is going so it's harder for me to come back. Now because she doesn't remember who I am at first right time last time I surprise her for her birthday. So I was like, I'm going to come her birthday. It was I can take my family and then we're going to have a birthday party is going to be awesome. So I get there and it's a surprise. She doesn't know what's happening. Oh my God, I arrived at for a is way isn't it a little bit like unethical to surprise someone who's like 95? Airport. Yeah, but she lives with my aunt and uncle so then but then they have to leave to pick us up. Yeah, so she's gonna see right is the way you going living room. She's like so she's like what the hell's happening right? She's a worthy going in the middle of the night and then they pick me up and then then they come back and then I literally ran out of the car and I run up to my grandma who's like sitting at the front door and my grandma, it's me and she's like who? Oh my God. Have you ever felt so much pain in one moment. Like I knew this was coming. Here's a PowerPoint and this is me as a baby. This is me. I didn't know how much her memory had gone. Oh, so it could really change the time before that. Yeah. So in the span of two years remember he had just decreased so much. So I'm like well if I go back now, she'll probably like the fucking thing. Yeah. Granny. How was your experience going to Vietnam the like first of all when you go to people like no you're Do they think you're Vietnamese number one or did you think okay or do they think you're a different Asian or well, so the only example I have of this is my family took me to but Andrea which is like I know you go there to get the like the Mekong Delta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so my cousin's husband owns like a tour bus company so nice is it like it's not Wang long is it I have no. Okay. That's like the big big. No, it's definitely not that okay. Okay, they don't have a giant ass house. Okay, that's how you know that yeah exactly. Yeah, but he took us all out and then you know, everyone's getting or they there's a local read. There's always a local rate for Vietnamese. Oh my God catch it dude. There's there's like there's levels of local race like if your local okay and you're like from the Central and north of your like a local to the city local exactly region local to the entry exactly. Look if you're like from outside. Oh, you're not kidding me. Forget it. You're a hundred percent. Yeah, so true we get there and then the employees from the tour company are looking at us on the bus and then my cousin's husband is like, oh, yeah, it's all Vietnamese were Vietnamese family like Yeah from Saigon. We live here. Yeah, and then they look at me. They're like the new like fucking bullshit. You got that I see you fucking got a Korean there look bullshit. And then my cousin's husband have to argue and be like, she's not she's Vietnamese. She's not only one of us. Yeah, don't don't say any of those a oh shut up. So they finally I think they I think they gave us the rate because it would have been like if oh my God, I actually was a foreigner, right? They would have increased the rate for everybody. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so then My cousin has been managed to argue that and I don't know. Holy that's the only time I have an example of okay. Well just for you like he knew everyone else was like yeah, everyone else checks out. Check it out. Ya know like no, wait a second. He's too fucking pale. She obviously it doesn't live in June a caterpillar eyebrows are too straight. That's true. That's why I was doing more Korean style makeup. I had like girl. That's such a nice. I do like that anymore. Yeah. The trends of change the trends have changed it has changed so much all of that and it's not as yet that really Hill. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but I think most people they look at me and then they're like, oh she's not from here. The atleast know that well, yeah, like when cuz I actually lived in Vietnam for how long I lived I lived there for I almost made it to a year. Wow in the north, right it no, I actually lived inside God. Oh, wow. Yeah. I know more about Saigon than I do about the North because I've never lived you know, he's like, yeah, they're probably like no like because okay when I was living there as soon as one person took a look at me, they're like she's not yeah, she's not from here. Yeah, we have we're Asians. So two white people in Canada. We're just like, oh you're ching chong Agent mobile blah, right, but when we go to Vietnam or other parts of each other like, oh you're hello. How are you doing? I was teaching English. It's kind of basically it would you look at in Saigon. I lived in District 2. Oh, okay. Yeah, so to do you know where that is? Okay. So let's go it's still like Saigon. There's like District 1 and then District 2 and I know District want my my grandma's in District 8 and my aunt has to certify my other and then District. I'm okay. Okay. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah. I know District faces our district for and I was like where the gangsters live. Oh, mr. Guthrie is where the Chinese people live District Seven Elements in the oh challenge Charlie one guy and then he was speaking Vietnamese and I spoke back and he's like What the fuck? Yeah, he was like what the fuck you're from the north and I like it would have been sick. People don't know this about Vietnam is like the North and the South have a beef. They had big beat them baby. Make me feel you don't know like honestly just look up the Vietnam War like, okay guys, right because real talk like everyone talks about like North Korea and South Korea. I'm like, that's kind of how I compare. It know it's when people are like, oh, what's the deal with north north northern Vietnam for southern Vietnam like Think about North Korea versus South Korea exactly. It's not exactly bad, but it's like they're still beef there's there's beef and the beef is almost like it's very very similar. And the reason that Korea North Korea and South Korea are separated still is because the Americans won the war, right but in Vietnam the Vietnamese Than South it's like I think Northern or Southern people like they don't even like the Vietnamese flag like the currently I don't know if you know, but it's like a big there's big defense. There's any oh my God, it's hectic. So so I don't think the reason I lived in Saigon and not the north was actually my cousin owns like a school there. So I actually worked at his school. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why I was there. Did you get a like any pushback because you're teaching English, but you're not white. What I Hear girl, yeah, of course, yeah, you're like, oh you're Asian yeah the bang how can you like, can you teach English right leg kick, can you just speak English? Yeah, I just like do you want to see my path did I legit link the right know like I legit think Vietnamese people think we speak English like like that like we stuff like that Because they don't know what like they can't differentiate like accented English because they don't speak it and I was just like me with Vietnamese. I couldn't tell if someone's right real good Vietnamese or not. That's true. Like I can now just because I live there tortilla. But before I totally couldn't I totally Couldn't Write but yeah. No it was it was a little bit hard living there because I was for like my accent is it's not just Northern it's my family's from high phone. So that's like it's even more strong than the Hanoi. Actually. I don't know if you know that it's like super like abrupt end like abrasive because one one man in Vietnamese, usually people are like, oh you're from Hanoi and I'm like, not not not really but one man was like, oh your accents from - I was like, oh shit my actions like that strong, but but yeah, I got scammed all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sigh doing right just hang out like Irish bars. Yeah. No it got better but my my accent would like mix a little bit with the southern accent right gets really good. Then it's like super confusing and then people would be like, why is your accent so weird? So my friend my friend his parents ones from the north winds from the south. Okay. It's accent is like Mega. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. These friends but I have this other mutual friend with him from the south. We're not seen her family's from from I think Ming Wei. Oh, yeah, I'm troll. Yeah. Wow, I think me. Yeah, then that's Central via. Yeah. So so whenever so, we always joke about it. So whenever he talks in his accent, we're like say it again, excuse me. What? Yeah slower like we don't understand dude, but then when he hears my accent, Makes fun of my accent because he says the southern accent sounds like fucking hick town. Okay, the low key people from the north say that I say that to you. Okay, it's Rich. Okay, that's true. No, no money people come visit me Rich. Okay, because you wanted it but we wanted that good good. Yeah, that's what my mom that I told I told my mom like, hey, my friend thinks that our accent is like Boonies and my mom was like what the fuck she said, you know, he's wrong. Wrong, right? She gets like vietnamese-style ratchet like me, I guess so funny. But like, you know when I was in South Vietnam in Saigon like you guys what do you call a spoon in Vietnamese? I had no idea. I had no idea. What do you call it? Dude my whole life, right? Okay, so when I went to Vietnam and I like I was eating something and I wanted a spoon and I was like can Get am touching what Katia can I get us food? And then he was like what and then after he's like, he's like, Moe and I was like, well, I'm like is he like, what is it? I was like, what is it? Like when you when you hear people singing songs in Vietnamese? It's I feel like it's with a northern act exactly. It's always with a northerner because I don't understand shit when people talk or no, beautifully. I don't understand I speak with a northern accent. I don't understand that means we won they sing. I don't get it either. I don't know. I think you know what it is. Maybe they're just like speaking poetry and all I understand is like did you eat did you go to school? Like all the basics glad there's one Vietnamese song. That's like milk. No, I can do that. I know we also I also you guys call. What do you call a cop? Lately, I had no idea. Yeah, you know what we call a cup in the north Coke go. Yeah and I come with me. It's like COC. Oh, yes because of my whole life is like well what coconut or something right? Yeah, and they're like, I am one Miley like how many cups you and I was likely like is he ugly? It should point to the cup and I'm like more coke and she's like what Lee and I was like what is happening? Came to Vietnam to learn Vietnamese and all I Learned was that I can't I don't know shit about Vietnamese. Like it was Robin. It was rough, but I ended up just like learning a lot of the word for fried in South is cheating. I learned that yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is like one right is that name? I think oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so different. It's so different. See that's why it's like a complete leader. It's like almost like a dialect. Yeah can it be considered a dialect? Like the grammatical structure is the same right? The vocab is totally it's totally differently different languages the same but then the whole the book I was just did you know like Vietnam was in like conquered by China for over a thousand years. Did you never get that? I heard about that. Yeah who overthrew them? I don't know how to do it. And because we win the moon dynasties. Yeah, it's a little bit subtle via traits. What's up? I mean, I mean for subtle we did you girl. Yeah. It's a baby or don't want to know if I just found that group recently and I was like this exists nice iotus inspiring it inspired me to make a meme a full video me my edited it. I love it. I'll play it for you. Okay, please in the description. I love the banner for a subtle via traits. Oh, yeah, the little like chubby fat Asian kid and then his dad because the dad just looks so like this one. Yeah and the boys just like this fat little boy looks like what's going on and I'll tell ya know who these people are. I have no idea who they are, but it's such a great photo. Like I feel like the dad looks like he's trying to support Trump with the blond hair and the Sun is right, right. Why is this happening but when you when you went to Vietnam did you hang out with them friends are mostly family. I'd only go for family. I don't have any friends, but you've never gone to Vietnam with friends. Oh, no, I've never gone to Vietnam with friends. They're all they're all like pushing me to go with them. But really it's so hard to schedule the time with everyone because everyone's different places. Some people are in school still some people working is true. Yeah. So it's like it's hard to coordinate all the time to go together. Hoping 2021 curl. Yes, I gonna do like a whole Vietnam. I want to but my Southern family is like stay the fuck away from the north. No, you should go to the okay. I'll just speak English, right exactly. Just because my friend one of my friends. He's in Northern Vietnam right now, and he's like, oh come visit and I was like, how do I politely decline? How do I say? No? Yeah. How do I save my parents won't let me Yeah, that was a thing. Like when my last time I was there I met one of my other cousins open the first time and she was there from France and so she's vehicle from France. Yeah, she's making what and social cool. She's so I've had a love affair with friends since I was little because all my family there ya go there ya and so my cousin came back and then I came back at the same time. It was so weird because we did not plan to Vietnam like it was just a coincidence not Planet at all my God, and we met up and then You saying how she wanted to go to the north? And my mom and my aunt were like no no, no. Nice. Try. Yeah, and she was like what like there's no harm in it blah blah blah because you know, she's from overseas and I'm from overseas exact are just like what's the harm? Right? They see it from like their southern Vietnamese perspectives actly. Yeah, because because like if you go to the North or just going to be like Asian-American, yeah, exactly, right? So it's not a big deal exactly. That's so funny. I have a I have a cousin from Australia the Australian. Yeah, so she it's she likes to visit Vietnam like sometimes but she yeah, she's I think Vietnam is like too much of a jungle for her, but I don't know. I don't know because I kind of feel that way Sonic sometimes are too crazy exotic is such a nice word to like describe it. Yeah so exotic. Yeah. The street everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. It was it's a little bit hard like I lasted almost a year, but you like be like I just I just like couldn't deal with enemies people. I don't know what because like it's so different when you're there on vacation right here--like you live when you live there because you're just like I literally I have to do this every day and like it's you know, what being scammed is what you drive. Oh when you were there I did so Katie. I'm crazy. Well, we talked of enemies girls are crazy. Right and I'm like, I'm already crazy in that I moved to be. Yeah. So the first thing you did the exact opposite of your parents getting a fuck. Yeah, and I yeah, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna get a motor motor bike and I'm just going to zip it zip everywhere, but I don't know like I like driving in general like in Vancouver like I got my license when I was 16. Did you stick when you're 16 that I feel like that's rare for a Vancouver girl really because I live a little bit outside of Vancouver. We're like you Car because Transit does early work. So I got my license while 16 which makes sense. But your Vancouver girl, you know, when you say that not a lot of my other girlfriends have their full drivers like exactly because if you think about it, I'm like, yeah, there's still a number that do not right? Yes. I don't know cause like my friends like my guy friends they all got their licenses right away. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna do the same you know it because I have a lot of brothers. Yeah. Yeah, so they're just like on it right away. I'm like, yeah, I'll do do exactly I'm like, I'm not just a other little be fair. It did take me five times to get my in five times. You gave ICBC so much money dollars. I'm smiling. I'm smiling. I was I was so agent in that I was like, I failed the end one. Yeah, and I was like, I cannot spend another $75 kind of Ford jobs, please. No, but five times it was before they put in the rule words. If you feel a certain number of times, you have to wait a certain amount of period. Oh, I didn't even know that was like that. Yeah so back then shout out to Saigon Driving School. Looks like there's an opening let's go and I was like, okay. So yeah, I'm not a shitty driver by any means, we're not we're not Asian women drivers. Yeah. We are Asian women. Yes who drive five times to get it? But hey, I have it knock on wood. Haven't gotten in an accident. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Nice. I was rear-ended two weeks ago, but that wasn't my fault. Okay, so still not Asian women are bad, but the person who rear-ended me wasn't it? Like going because because for me like I feel like I romanticize a lot of things I don't know about you you move there did you do is it before I did? Okay. So the story was actually lived in Korea for two years, right? And that's why I decided to move to Vietnam because I was like, oh my God are you know, I love Korea but being in Korea, I was like, oh, I like Asia because I didn't know because I've we're what are you so we don't know what age I was like and I was like, oh Korea's late. Is it are you like Korea? So you're gonna go to Vietnam? Yes. I was like Korea Vietnam same same know, I wasn't honest I wasn't a Countryside in Korea. A lot of Koreans don't even know where I was living a shout-out way Guadalupe. No one knows where that is. No one knows where that Busan. It's not Busan. It's two hours away from Busan by train, which I did go. But yeah, but yeah, so And in Korea, I was like, oh, I like Asia. I feel like for the first time in my life, I like walk around and people aren't like, oh you're Asian, where's like, you know, because in Vancouver, there's a lot of Asian Canadians by grew up in like the suburbs a little bit and everyone's white. So white people love like in that suburbs. They love to remind me that I'm not white and they're like your you chink it go back to China God. I'm sorry. I cannot relate like no girl. Would we grew up in a bubble and Vancouver? Yeah. No liked. I would yeah, like people don't like my Vancouver friends that I had one else. No, they have no idea. Like I would have friends here. They experienced racism for the first time in their life when they were like 20 some. Yeah and you're like, how do I deal with this? No, they would like start crying in the street. Like I remember one time. I took a bus with my friend. I think we're like 19 or 20 at the time and this white lady for some reason. I don't know just like came out my friend. I was like Chinese girls have the ugliest legs blah blah blah. Let's super like out of nowhere. She was like this old low white lady. Oh and and my friend didn't hear it. Sounds like okay great. And then we got off the bus and then that lady followed us all of us and she has tapped my friend on the the shoulder cause my friends are in short shorts to right and it was just like oh Chinese ladies have the ugliest legs and that shouldn't get that. Yeah, she's just saying that and then I just looked at that lady and I was just like yes old white ladies have such beautiful legs, right? Like I got cause I was I'm so used to racism and people saying these things to me that to me that's like wow, that's that's level one like races like I thank you for not going back. I appreciate this. Right right and then but my friend that was the first time we her whole life. She's our crises are calling your boyfriend. Yeah, it was it was crazy because she's Chinese difference between Chinese girl. Or the other you know and both very good reasons to have yeah, just chug your head you smash it and then go that's true. If she said that to them he's been my instinct when know when people fight when people come at me my instinct is to fight back. I love it has that ever happened that night? Okay could have never been enough that it's warranted. You know what I mean? Like it's like it's a cost-benefit analysis like gotta get me. It's like am I Really Gonna Write about possibly end up on World Star for this? No, no. No, and also I don't know how to fight which is the one thing that's keeping me from achieving my true potential of the Vietnamese girl. If I don't know how to fight. You know, what so you never got into any fights going on. You know what me? I like dude, like well, we grow with mostly Chinese friends. Yeah, cause like at my high school when I was still in Vancouver eyewitness at least two fights and I was only at that high school for a year and a half right and one fight. There were these two girls a ring a ring of Steel around the girls and the one girl Like her cousin was one of the two girls in the fight so that girl people had to pull the cousin away be like no no. No, this is a fair fight what they're going at it like one jumped on top of the other. Oh my God, like like like they fought like men and they start smashing her face and I was like, oh my God, these girls are ratchet creation that I talk about all the time. But I am kind of a frog's I don't do that shit. So I actually went to Vietnam for like a Six-Day trip with my friend. So the first time I was in Vietnam in like 10 years and I went with my friend, so I was like, okay, this is great. We rented a motorbike. I've never driven a motorbike ever in my life. She's I don't even know if she had a license like in Vancouver at the time right? You don't need a license, right? I just right? Yeah, so I just I just got on and I drove in Hanoi traffic my first You know, I'm crazy. I'm like it crazy crazy and I just did it my friends behind my friend. Am I crazy or is she crazy for getting behind the bike with me? Yes my cousin on the other side of her family. She fell in the middle and she's a Saigon native fell in the middle of traffic a truck going the opposite direction. Rubber head. No, she's dead. She's dead. Yeah, she's dead. Oh my God. This is why I'm like you're ringing looking driving in Vietnam. I would never yeah, I could never PSA do not don't do it. Don't do it. Do it only in District 1 in Saigon guards mainly tortoise. That's true. Don't like anywhere else. Yeah. No, it's very dangerous. Just look at any sort of video on YouTube about traffic in Vietnam. But yeah, I'm like also very rebellious and I like I kind of wish I grew out of it, but I think it's only getting worse than the older. It don't think it's only going to get worse. You're like I'm gonna dull people can't tell me what to do. Exactly. Oh man, that's my problem. I can think for myself. Yeah. Yeah. I can make my own decision. If I die I die. Yeah, I'm gonna die. I die. Yeah. No, but I totally drove there and I even did like motorbike road trips like 300 kilometers. Plus I myself one. Way because I'm just like insane. But yeah, I think it's just partly the reason is because like I grew up with mostly like like I don't have any sisters and I have a lot of brothers. So I think I just grew up very like around a lot of guys and very independent and stuff like that. I do wish I was more feminine, but you know, I'm okay. All right, just some crazy shit. Yeah. Yeah, but we have Vietnam turned out not to be like Korea at all, of course so different but you know Awesome. What are ya so many fucking Koreans are you? Oh, I guess you're with your family so you don't really notice it but I lived. Yeah, I lived in Saigon and district 7, like I said is like just Koreatown like that's what the I know there's one district with a lot of like non babies people living. Oh, there's a lot of foreigners living there's there are a few District Two is like we're all the foreigners that have money come to live. So like the Spanish our European families come and all the international schools are there. In the city where it was like it looked like it was from Korea. I think it's just such a Rises and yeah the wide streets and then like the sidewalk and then like the convenience. I think that was lime district 7 then yeah. Yeah because I'm a lot of I don't know if people know but Korea is Viet nam's number one foreign business partner. Oh, yeah, sacri invest a lot of money in Vietnam with Japan because Japan put a lot of money into development. So I think what Japan it's more tile on. So it's like Japan Thailand Vietnam Korea. Those Japanese malls. Okay. I'm all they do. I don't yeah, I know. I don't even know what's going on. But yeah, it was a very not like Korea and I was like come here for this right right and cover for this and I was like, I'm gonna like I'm going to try to learn about my culture. Like I'm just on my parents and you like everyone here shut up asshole. Everyone here is an asshole. But now I also understand why my dad was such an asshole and I always say yeah really blunt. They're really blue. And they'll tell you shit straight to your face. They're straight Savage. Yeah, I don't know how to say it in any other way. It's brutal and like it's you know what? I think it's because they grew up with like just a jewel or and say yeah, but maybe Rachel it's always the Survivor mentality. Like they'll just straight up tell you like they don't even know your name. No. Hey, haha you fat and then like have like in restaurants? It's insane. Oh my God. When my family came here to visit I was like, oh my God, I don't want to take them out to a restaurant because they're just going to be insufferable. Oh, it's always be like Emma Emma Emma. Yeah, I got this. Can I get back? Yeah. Yes and then like two seconds later Emily. Where's my food? Yeah. Yeah quite demanding are you not they don't they're not used to waiting exactly. The competition is so high for restaurants and then they're like, I want my food now and it better be damn good. Yep, and you better like give me the best service you're paying like, you know, Million dollars, right? Right. Yeah, so that's like the culture. It's very much very go go go. Give me my shit now exactly and go somewhere else. Right, right. Yeah it so it's it's not hustle mentality and like when you said it's very competitive. It's because like everyone in Vietnam like owns a business. Yeah great. Great. That's kind of crazy. Like every family owns at least one business. Yeah. That's what I learned when I was I was like, holy shit. It's like you see like Port like this poor little skinny Grandma Sheila. This honor she wants she might have a tiny little cart that like some tea or some shit. But yeah, she hustling she business on honey. She-she-she CEO of like, oh old lady opiate my own something. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I really like learned about the Vietnamese like Aunt entrepreneurial Spirit when I was there and I was like, we don't have that in Canada at all know what I mean. Yeah, and then I was like, oh, that's the third time I've ever seen that store open in my head. I'm like cause it's a money laundry. Yeah like yeah like yeah, there's no way you can't be like, you're not open a cash cow only nokotta nokotta. But but it know what else you had approached. My mom ages ago when I was little too like puts put up a bakery or restaurant or something and they launder money through it and I'll cut ya mom said no and that's why we're still poor guy last night lesson learned take the cut from the gangsters. Yeah, really, right? Yeah. Yeah do that, but what I'm saying was the the entrepreneurial Spirit it doesn't exist a lot in cat-like with young people. Young people young people because when I what really shocked me when I lived in Vietnam was like young people like 18 19 20 year-old. They were business owners. So Iowa, I stayed at an errand be one time and the owners of the air B&B were younger than you. They're all young. There were five like 19 year old kids and I was just like no I was like a dumbass. An Airbnb. Hey, so these like 90 like five nineteen year old kids run this Air B&B. They don't touch it. They never go to it and they hire these like old grandmas like and they pay the Grandma's to clean it. So that like they run their business. They're not even there for Grandma. Oh my God for people who don't know the average monthly wage in Vietnam has around 200 US dollars. That's about 2,000 u.s. Dollars a year, right? It's small, but I think that's part of the reason why everyone has A side hustle. Yeah, because like you can't live on two hundred US dollars in Vietnam a month. Like it's you you can't I don't people that do it. I don't think they're real like there's no there's no way there's no way because even like Ebola father is like I don't know in Vietnam is like 2 3 up to like five six dollars. Really? Yeah. Don't remember the conversion, but I'm not surprised. Well also our Canadian dollars likes it's like so yeah. But yeah, yeah, it was crazy. So many entrepreneurs I met these two girls in Hawaiian. Have you have you been to Central Vietnam? I have not. Okay, you should visit it's really nice to have ya. No. No, it's really nice. A lot of people. I like all the white people go to Hoi An and I think it's like because I'm super like white or white wash or something. I actually lived in Hawaii on to for like a month like a little over a month and I was doing this like volunteer thing, but there's this Cafe in Hawaii on called Rosie's Cafe and it's run by these two. Enemies girls like like from the countryside. So there they live in the countryside of Hoi An and Hawaii on its is the countryside so it's like their country country. Right? And I think they were like 20 or 21 and they partnered up they borrow like the equivalent of like ten thousand US Dollars on like friends and family. Wow, and they money it's a lot of money for Vietnam considering how much money they're making stuff right and they like rented this space and they opened a coffee shop and first they started off with only like I think five items right like The milk coffee blah blah blah now, they blew up the coffee shop is like huge and because Han is a very like Foreigner area. Yeah, their menu is huge and you know what they serve now, they went from coffee to like a sigh Ebola. I'm not joking like chia-chia. She like smoothies Ava Ava kado toasted they know There's no way yeah, and they actually they named it Rosie's Cafe after that movie Love Rosie. I don't know if you've seen it. I never I've only watched it after I talk to them good for those. But yeah, they did it with their like 21 22 and now they're still there. They're like everyone at Hawaii on knows them you go on like Google Maps and you look them up. They have like so many reviews, but but they're killing it. So I'm like I'm like wow like young Vietnamese people we're crazy, but Easy can also be you have a crazy to be like a business owner because that's high-risk ready. Yeah, it is high risk is super high. What if they borrowed that time that $10,000 and then like oh my God. Oh my God ambling when somebody gotta gamble. Oh, no, that's very very well. Then. I have enemies men so they want them to think. Like when I was called for the first time, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I remember what it stink. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice smells all the smells like it's just it was so hot and it's harder now than I was back then food poisoning in Vietnam. Yeah. Oh, no, it was it. Was it from probably because I'm okay. I was like, oh, yeah, I'll be fired like to it was two weeks in right? I think I'll be fine. I can eat whatever, right? Yeah two weeks fucking lying to a buffet and when nice and then like, holy shit. Did you almost die? I don't know. But I was like it was awful. And then since then my stomach has just been really messed up. Oh, no, usually people when they get food poisoning Vietnam, I find that it's usually from Oak like a little snake sea snails or whatever because it was a buffet with my sitting out. Yeah, I would rather eat up from like a restaurant right does the street vendors that do it right then and exactly exactly. Yeah. It's freshly cooked. That's a that's a good tip for people that want to go to Vietnam and they want to try something with they don't go to a buffet and Going to extra food make sure they cook the food right in front of you while it's still hot because you don't want to eat stuff that's been sitting out. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. No my brother. He feel like every single time. He goes to Vietnam. He almost dies. It's so it's so bad like the last two times he's gone extreme food poisoning like Mom now gets food poisoning every single time your mom when she goes mom and my mom is like Saigon native. So then that's why it's like real person just like yeah her stomach's like built. I know right or Vietnamese exactly, but But like every time she goes, oh my God, I can't stay longer than two weeks now like it's just it's kind of look me up now. It's a looks at that every time but then she goes for four weeks and yes back and then she says she's gonna and then sure. It's just like it's just like yeah, she's like love. Hey more you love to hate me more or less when your parents your pants and come back with you to be there right there. You know what when I was young when I was young, but like I've only gone by myself as an adult when when's the last time they went Like all like since like know it's been it's not one but they don't go. Oh, yeah. No, no. No, you don't want to go. No. No, do they have it any family still jaw family, but just just know just know just because like, I don't know about you growing up. My dad really didn't like it when I spoke Vietnamese really because because his philosophy was like I brought you here, right Canadian girls write English well and like I feel like not just him but I felt like other Vietnamese parents also had the idea that if you speak like if you're really good at Vietnamese, you're going to be shitty at English, right? So they're like so only speak English, right but then growing up now I am like should he have enemies and I was like, but what I want to hear right, he's got really good when I was when I went to Vietnam for the first time. I spent a month with my cousin speaking only it's about muscle memory. Yeah. It's people always comment like your daughter is really good. Biggs but I still get the word for environment and economy mixed up you wait, I don't even know the words for that. Okay. One of them is mortal and the other one I already forgot how it how did you how did you even know like what they say one of them is can say I think economy is getting say and then want to environmental what kind of conversations are you having when you go back to Vietnam? It's just me talking with my cousin's here. Oh shit. What or me talking with my mom here. Like I'll be like, oh we have to protect the environment and the man. Mama's like wow. Yay. I think it's see. I don't even know if he's still don't know. I still don't know dude, you know, it's like I feel like you're one of the maybe few like Vietnamese Canadians. I've met that are actually like proud to be Vietnamese. I wasn't always really okay what happened before and watching. I mean we grew up with not a lot of Vietnamese people. We're going to most Chinese. Yeah, honestly when I was little I was like I want to fit in with my friends like, I don't know. I don't know captain. Was I want a tiny bit of a Chinese Grandma took care of me, dude, you know how to count to 10 in Cantonese. I can only do three. Yeah. Yeah, some say well. Yeah, I was like, well, I want to be like my friends right exactly. It wasn't like I want to be white, but I'm sure if I was around white people, I'd be like I want to be yeah, I mean but yeah, I always I never really felt like I fully fit in race wise. I mean, I did feel like I had friends and stuff again. It was diverse ethnically like my friend group, but I never felt like I really fit in ethically, like people didn't understand my culture. Right? Right. So that was like weird and then high school was the same because I went to high school right across from my elementary school. So the same group Single people didn't really meet a lot of Vietnamese people. Try to think about like how many does one who three? For what you're counting on these five how many people were in my graduating class? Oh Jesus that's likes out of 50 or something. Yeah, a lot of Filipino people voted. Yeah. Shout out to the fans. Yeah, they're underrated. Don't really hope he knows need love. So underrated. Yeah, there is no reason why Hollywood has not been taken over by fellows real talk real. Oh my God. Yeah Philip like Every single Filipino person I've met has a great voice. I don't know why they can all sing. That's amazing. Whereas like are the yeah. It's wailing it swelling and it's not a key. Anyway, yeah growing up out of high school still not around a lot of Vietnamese people go to university still not a lot of Vietnamese people waiting fewer. I went to SFU. Oh, yeah. I love you. People are so few. No. No. To from going from East Van to I went to UBC. Hmm. I was surprised at how few Vietnamese people in Filipino people there were because I was used to seeing a lot of Filipino people but now there's like no Filipino Korean so many criminal in China. Yeah, like mainland China was a was a China number one. I was not covid them alone. Miliar with a lot of mean like like Mainland Chinese Roger never met and we know we know way more about can't oh, yeah culture. Yeah, because Vancouver immigrants from Hong Kong the 90s. So then going into University also know get people sounds like did you feel like a shame to like tell people you're Vietnamese, you know, I never mentioned it to anybody but I didn't okay. Okay. It's just like a non Converse it not a conversation topic, right right, and and then I got into pharmacy school. So I sell drugs. Okay, that's a business of my people here in Canada. I do it legally no nice nice the family business legit your you should get to the white people so I sell drugs so when I got into pharmacy school, that is nice. So one of the first people that I met was a Viet guy who also lives in this area. Okay. Yeah, he was really friendly I made friends with him and then he ran for like student counselors worth your Pharmacy, right all babies. Yeah. I mean, so we're all new we don't know each other but I knew him and then when he was making his speech at the beginning of class because you have to get elected like I walked in late because I'm getting me sick. Filipino time between this time and this time they came same yeah same time zone. Yeah what he starts at 7:00. They mean it starts at 9:00. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like I'm still doing my hair and makeup. Yeah, he's like, oh, yeah, like I'm Vietnamese. I'm from east van and this is this is one of my other friends memories about me is me walking down late to class my friend at the front saying how he's getting me some from East bad. Yeah and me the obnoxious Vietnamese girl going. Whoo. Yeah. Memory of me and she she's from the island, right? Thank you ver Island. Oh my God, that is why it's so white. That's our white people go to die. It's not a bad place. It's not a bad place. It's where the parliament it's true that she would like so she's from the islands. So she sees me. This obnoxious be a girl. She's like, oh my fucking God not be friends with her. Holy shit. Stay the fuck away, right? So but then we end and then bring the best friend. She was like, I'd never thought I would end up being friends with you then after that and then we pulled another Vietnamese guy into the group The the one that's half a buck and a half now. Oh nice nice. So then after I was hanging out a lot with them and then that's when I can bring out my true Vietnam. Yeah and be like really Vietnamese could now it's like I find people that aren't exactly exactly and I've just been hella Vietnamese. I've mastered my Vietnamese accent. I love it. So good. Good so good. I'm going what what what changed for you like. Well I could get them. No for me. I just yeah, I didn't have a lot of it welcoming. I didn't have any of enemies friends growing up and then in high school, I went to high school in Vancouver and then I moved to the suburbs where it's all white and then and then from that school the only friends I had were Korean International students, like none of their parents knew they were going to be put in The Bumfuck nowhere in Canada. And yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then because I guess all that all my friends were like Korean International students. I just ended up like okay. Yeah Korea and then I went to Korea and then I was like, oh Vietnam, but even now I feel like I don't know if I'm still trying to like, what is it appreciate my Heritage and I still Like I struggle with that a lot because I don't have like Vietnamese friends that are like, hey, I'm Vietnamese, whatever because all my friends are like just Korean or like Chinese but but living in Vietnam definitely gave me like so much understanding and appreciation for pennies Heritage, but I have them cousins like they're like me born and raised in Vancouver and they like don't want to go to Vietnam like so they actually taught English in Korea as well don't want to go to Vietnam at all. Yeah, so they lived in Korea and you know Korea's only Ally four hour flight from Vietnam. They visit exactly. Wow. That's a southern hop and a skip girl. Oh quite quite. Yes. Yeah. No, but they so they would visit Japan and Hong Kong and then I was like, oh did you guys go to Vietnam in there just like that? No, I don't want to stab right. So this is like a thing. I've been noticing about Vietnamese Canadian. Yeah, so they're so so Around me like the Vietnamese people. I meet are just like no fuck man. Fuck that. Yeah. Yeah, so I've never even had that so it's like really do go to drug school. They do find their people yet. Is there people? Yeah selling the drugs, you know, I think what helped a lot with Vietnamese means okay. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't have trades follow so it'll be at Raves. I got so much fun. So that's what really makes me appreciate it more too. Yeah, and I think it's good I think It's like because it's not something I can never like get away from and I'm still like China learn understand but it's so like great like talk like I think this is the first time and I don't maybe like years or ever that I push it actually gone to really talk about Vietnamese stuff because when I was in Vietnam the Viet Canadians, I did meet were all guys. Well, that's because women number one her like worth noting in Vietnam. No, right and then if you're a victim, he's like Canadian or Foreigner in Vietnam that you're worth like even less because you're like you're not even Poor little vidi vici girl that they can buy so they just don't even so but when Vietnamese Canadian guys go to Vietnam there like rock stars. Oh, yeah. They're like here marry my daughter. I'll pay you. Yeah, you're hungry shake her take her take her exactly right but but being Vietnamese like Canadian female, it's I didn't meet any and I was there for almost a year, but I've met so many Viet Canadian guys because they're just everywhere. I read an article about how in The Boonies in Korea, there's a lot of men who are paying so marry women, you know and bring them over, you know, so they get paid by the local government because yes the like everyone is leaving the countryside, right? Yeah, then the women have such a hard time there. It's not so PSI. Like I'm I'm so surprised that you you know that I guess it's like pretty big an article came out and it was all yeah. No. No, it's true. Yeah, why didn't I don't know if I saw little I did see it, but I know it's definitely a thing. So what happens in? Is that Korean men that can't like Mary Korean women and then they're also getting older and they live in the countryside and a lot of them don't have a lot of money and some of them even have like mental illnesses or disabilities and then but kdramas and stuff is so big. It's like come to Korea. Yeah, exactly. And I don't know if you know in Vietnam they have like be a Korean man's wife school. I'm not even joking so so like yeah, so like so all the attendees are usually like 15 16 17 year-old like Vietnamese Countryside girls that don't know anything, right and they're so obedient so wine right and then they go and they learn Korean how to read write Customs how to cook Korean food. Like they literally train them to be Korean men's wives and then they go there and then guys like three times their age older than their dad right and then then they're like abuse and there's a lot of violence and I'm not necessarily blaming the Korean men that do this because like if they have mental illness and they're in Do you like people are crazy, right? But there was a time where Cambodia because Korean men would buy wives from Vietnam Cambodia Myanmar, right? And there was a time that Korean men killed so many Cambodian women that the Cambodian government Stalin's look like you can't do this I get no they stopped the marriages. They're like no more International marriages from Korea because you keep killing our women. Yeah, it's so so it's a little bit. It's a little bit crazy. I did read an article that I was a Korean man. He's like stabbed his wife. Yeah. Vietnamese wife. Yeah, it's if you type in Vietnamese, man kills wife on Google there. There's a lot of water. Yeah, but you know like it the ones that I meet that want to leave it's usually they're very poor. But when I was there I met a lot of Rich Vietnamese people and they like couldn't give less of a fuck about living anywhere else. You know what I mean Europe and see you. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm sure you heard about like all the Vietnamese people who died on that truck and London. Oh my fucking god. Okay. Do you know the exact same thing happened like ten years ago literally same exact story like truck Vietnamese people like died in the but I would like the and in the same area same port in England. Like I was like, what are we're in a matrix, but I know in news and Canada in America, we don't really like release like gory details because it's like has to deal with like the ethics of Journalism or something but in but invented meas news, they're straight Savage I did they tell you everything and what happened was invented. He's news there was blood everywhere when they opened it because everyone was trying to scratch their way out. It was like, yeah, it was it's hectic. So so I think in cases like that, it's just like I think some well my thing is also I feel like the Vietnamese government also wants to release the Gory parts to kind of scare Vietnamese. People be like if you want to escape. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna die. It's gonna be a bloodbath exactly exactly. Yeah. But anyway, it's crazy, but the, you know the rich people in Vietnam, so I don't know if you A car in Vietnam is a hundred percent taxed. I thought the three hundred percent. That's what my cousin is it three no. No, I didn't hear 300 it might be but it's heard that it costs three times the amount of the MSRP that it would be to buy it here. So like I heard okay. So like a Honda Civic here. Let's say is like 25,000 right? There would be 50,000. I heard it was like 60. Oh, but that would be true that the taxes are driving a car in Saigon, you know there but they got money they're loaded. They got me honey Rolla. They're good that Corolla here is like a BMW like yeah, like, you know that Maddie is like a fucking. Oh my God for guinea. Exactly dude. You're not going to see a Lamborghini you get a name like let's be real. No, no, don't be rich now like the rich are really rich, you know how I feel about that income discrepancy. It's fucked up. It's fucked up to say the least but there's a lot of the school. I worked out like a bougie like rich people send their kids here. So like the kids because I was like a before Age six schools Like Preschool and I remember I had like a kid. Well, I'm several kids. He's like to and he's like so cute. Yeah, and then his mom would come pick him up in a Mercedes Benz and I'm like, oh my God 200% I'm like, what are you is that a Rolls-Royce money? So when they're rich they're like scary Red, they really don't give a fuck about their they because it's going to get scratched up in traffic and shit. Like they don't know exactly how able to afford money to buy that. Car and money to not give a shit. I think that's exactly it's gonna be disgusting. It's crazy man is hectic. I'm gonna tell you a story about like me with my family in Vietnam. Yes. Here's the thing Vietnamese people always feel like they can be up in your business. Oh your business so know your business is everyone's business. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like privacy. What is that this? Yeah. It's very even a word for privacy. Maybe somebody please. I think it's a risk but it doesn't even exist in their mind. Like this goes along with Vietnamese people always being really upfront. So they'll be really upfront to you about your own business. Oh, yeah. She go about it, right so back when I was in Vietnam in 2015. I was doing a lot of exercising and I would go to the gym like I would ask my cousin to take me three times a week and then I would I would lift. Oh girl get it. Whatever. It's deadlift bench, press and Vietnam as Asian woman with an Asian woman. Do you realize how much shit I got into by not just my family, but the yeah, they look it's fast and the woman feel like what are you? What are you doing girl listing more than their body weight, right and we're like, what the fuck? You're gonna die. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing? And stop making me look bad? Yeah, exactly exactly. So like my cousin would go into her workout and it's all You go. Oh, yeah, I would typical girl. I've been as a carrier then I like okay, I'm gonna go do my shit no more pussy shit left and like get strong and then like I could my cousin was like concern right? So she's like you're trying to she's like, can you go over there and just check things out and I would get really pissed because there's a fucking guy like walking over. I don't know she fucking sent you and I know it. Yeah staring at me and I'm just like what you like drop your like you drop your weights really how you're like what? Yeah. Yeah exactly and my entire family. About how like oh, you're gonna look like a man. Right right. It's not too bulky. You guys don't like my boyfriend is fine with it. He likes that I'm doing this. Yeah, but yeah, it was that's an example of like how you should go about your business and my parents now with the marriage conversation. They're like, when are you getting married? Yeah. And I was like, you know, whatever any because I've been with my partner for a long time. Hmm and I was like, you know, you gotta you gotta get married someday. You know that right? You have to get married, right? Why would you like what you have to have get married before you have kids and I'm like why and she's like well, otherwise the adults are gonna laugh and I'm like Who's Laughing? I'm an adult now right friends are laughing laughing at me. Like Mom, it's your friends. Oh, what do you care about what they think right and my moms like no, I don't know if I can why are you telling me to get married right? You're such this is the Canadian Jen talking. What the hell? Yeah, so it's just it's hard. Yeah, people always care what they think they care so much hive mind right? It's so it exactly that's what it is. The hive mentality is like crazy insane. It's insane. It's and I feel like it's bragging but all my mom's always like oh someone so that like, you know, her son is a doctor now. Hmm and like he graduated from SFU and I'm like, there's no fucking med school at SFU mom. Yeah, if you knew anything like it doesn't exist. It's not real. But why did she tell me I'm like, well, can she fucking liar? Who's lying to your face? Damn it? This always happens when somebody says something and I'm like no Mom your mom's just like the person people like fuck. What the hell? Oh my God, and then she's like everybody's done her daughter as a CEO. Is it really that easy to be a CEO? Because then like why don't why does it like, you know, my cousin's kid do that, right and I'm just like Mom the fuck. They're probably the owner of a fucking nail salon, and they're calling themselves. There's a small business owner calling themselves a city home. You're the one you're from Vietnam. Anyone can be a hero kid. You haven't done shit, right? Right there with me a lot, but then they come back and they're like, oh so like, you know, I don't you have like a house or like what are you got married every time she comes back from a wedding? Oh my God. It's like I'm married. She's like so I came down he came back from another wedding. Yeah, you're like, I wish I had like one. I really I really want to go to this one, but doesn't exist. You're just like no no, no, it's different your parents give you that kind of pressure. No, actually my family is pretty pretty T chill and you know like I think are you there what order are you in? I'm in the middle. I'm right in the middle. Yeah, so I'm parents have grandchildren yet. They do they do they really don't give yeah and a girl and they don't give a shit about me. Yeah, that's a hundred percent true. Yeah. Yeah. I would have had a little sister like I got another girl another little sister like about four or five years. Oh my God, can you imagine like my sister would be an ABG legit? Yeah, and that's my boy legit legit. Yeah, there's no other dang. Yeah, so my dad was pretty disappointed when and then like And then she was like cuz he knew your life was going to be harder and I was like no, it's not fine. Yeah. No, it's I think I feel like Asian dad's. I don't know if they it's a Vietnamese thing. It's like there's a saying they want boys. But also they say like if you have a daughter they call like the daughter like the swan or something because once you gets married, she'll fly away from the family, but you know, what's funny what's funny boys take care of their moms. That's true. The mine always taking care of them till they die that and Daughter is take care of them all exhausted. My mom's family. It's like only the daughters take care of my grandma. Nobody else. I'm like sure why the fuck do you cover boys when they're not being gonna take care of you? You're welcome. I was like should be lucky that you're almost like Mom if I was a boy, I wouldn't take care of you guys don't know you don't know you let me exactly there's like very not-so-subtle sexist. Oh, yeah subtle is the opposite and subtle is never a a word you hear with the word Vietnamese Vietnamese mom. She's still like Rockin tight TNA. I've heard that so many times. I've heard I've heard Tzu chuang. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got a they got to look interesting exactly maintained. In fact, that might be a Vietnamese think Korean thing to like Korean women are very all Korean women are super into their very polished. Yes, super polished. I think it's Asian culture in general. Yeah, I guess so look really polished to maintain your man. Otherwise, he's just gonna find a yo bear. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah side home. Yes. I told translation agent. Yeah, but my grandpa my dad side him but Jillian of them saito's mmm gangster. Oh to get it. My dad had a Jeep and he went hunting and like and when he said hunting he meant hansie for women. So yeah. Yeah, it's like super loaded know if your enemies man that has money. Oh, yeah, there is no anyone. You want 100. One chance. Yeah, he's gonna cheat on you, please 100 passionately. Yeah, there's no way he's not given to leave because the money's good. Well the money's good and also like specially if you're the main wife, yeah, no. No, you got to be wife number one have to be white because in Vietnam, I think adultery to this day still illegal. So men that have like wives or side hose and side children those children are undocumented. Oh what because because because because the dad can't put his name on the first of the because he already has a wife and a family in Vietnam. It's still illegal. A lot of people don't know. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm damn. Yeah, I was like no he gangster. Yeah, he's pretty gangster though. Like he was not liked by any means - Iceman. Yeah, the businessman rich like, oh my God, we got thrown half. If you'd only have to be cut throw you. Do you have to it's just arrived soft? He's like me would not survive. No. No, I lasted barely a year and I lived and What I lived in the white people. You know that but I just want to say thank you Jennifer for being on the pikas. Thanks for having me. This was amazing. I love this. I'm happy to come back anytime. Yeah, I'm not being weird. I'm good. I'm totally gonna have you back. We're gonna talk about Vancouver stuff and news and everything. But your dad I'm not talking to me right now. So let's okay we're done in like six months. It's gonna be my Olive Branch will be like you Thank you so much.

This is one of my favorites. A fellow Vietnamese Canadian girl and I discuss what life was like growing up in East Vancouver. Topics include high school stabbings (2:18), what we ate at home (4:20), McDonalds (6:30), refugee parents (8:05), not understanding Thai (10:26), Viet dads (12:30), nammer girls, LGs, ABGs (14:55), popular websites in the 90s (18:10), visiting the motherland (20:10), surprising a 95 year old grandma (21:55), Viet Kieu disguise? (24:30), Vietnamese pricing tiers (25:20), living in Vietnam (27:20), mien bac va mien nam (29:05), northern and southern accents (33:40), subtle viet traits (36:29), racism in Vancouver (44:30), girl fights in high school (46:42), entrepreneurship in Vietnam (56:10), weird smells (58:35), food poisoning (59:20), not speaking Vietnamese at home (1:01:29), I wanna be Chinese! (1:02:50), selling drugs (1:06:20), accepting Vietnamese heritage (1:09:35), Viet Kieu guys in Vietnam (01:11:40), Korean international marriages (1:12:10), Essex lorry death (1:14:41), rich people (1:15:44), lifting in Vietnam (1:17:20), Viet moms (1:24:37), Vietnamese survival mentality (1:26:59). Song: You Got Beef? 2004; lyrics Chuckie Akenz feat.

As always this episode is sponsored by my go to stop for anything makeup Revlon. Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham. And this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is key every episode I get to pick the brains of brilliant and inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal today. We're talking to the fashion icon and Arlo Legend Dapper. Dan dab has returned to the mainstream reopened his Harlem ottilie a and taken his rightful seat at the table in the fashion industry. Dapper Dan is in the house what thank you so much for being here. Well, I'm happy just being around you. Let me tell you something. You totally amazing. I'm not used to this because I live like in a cocoon for 20 years. I you know, I'm a real product my community, right? So only the last four years like five years since I came out of the underground have I ever had a chance to engage the people I'm talking to now my only relationship with people who are meeting now is through book. Books hmm, you know other than that thing when I'm in Harlem, I'm talking Harlem still and I'm always there. So anything that's inside of me that's outside of that. I had to get from books and so now to get real and people like for the last since I came out of underground everyone my son to verify this everybody who's came and interviewed me when we're done. I interviewed them because I couldn't understand what it was about me that they found like so interesting. In fact, I researched myself. So I'm Looking up that but Dan see what exactly alerts. Yeah, so see what people are saying about me and I come across this book. And the title of the book is re mixing the classroom this new form of learning. Right and so does professor at Columbia University School of Music and he teaches The Graduate course in music and I come across the book and the first chapter the book. Is he showing graduate students how to learn based on what he learned from me from reading the, New York. Worker article from when I came out of the underground I say I gotta go see this guy and see what he's talking about right joking. So I go to Columbia University to one is sitting on one of his classes, you know, and we engage in conversation and I tell him I said I never realized what to do. He says what you did the reason you didn't realize that he says because of what you did people don't think about it while they're doing it. And so that's when it came to me I say, oh, so this is where I was everybody's interests the way I live through necessity. Is what they're teaching as an option now and so they saying that the open classroom is a new form of learning and the process is about teaching yourself from one garment bag to the next which brings me to the Met. Oh my God, we had a ball. Okay. So for everybody who's listening or watching I want us to describe the Met for them because not everybody gets the chance to go and you've been twice. Yes. I've been twice and I've been three times and I Amber last year when we met I made sure like I was like, where's Dad everything? Okay you good, but then this year we got to go together. Wow. That was so amazing. I know let me tell you first you were so nice that I wasn't used to it. You know, I wasn't talking about, you know, you called and you called you called me and you invited me like a proper gentleman. Yes, but that's the second time I'm talking about the first time that we can go. Yes, we met and you called me from the body make sure I was all right, because I know Oh, I was in I was in a Strange Land. I know my first time at the Met. I was also in a Strange Land and I know what that feels like to go to the Met. Yeah, and so I wanted to make sure you were taken care of the Mets sealed the deal for me in terms of fashion because it's two people. I wanted to meet Andre Leon Talley and of course the Queen Anna Wintour the queen if I can be acknowledged by the king and queen that seals the deal and I messed up the first time I was so nervous. I Through a door so I can get to shake her hand. So I had to wait so you didn't go up the stairs you win. So they're very well at all like citement of you know, the paparazzi all over the place. That's what happens when you actually get to the Met. There's a huge red carpet. There's Paparazzi on other side. There's people who want to interview you and it's a little intimidating but then there's always like someone that's supposed to direct you through the actual Museum and I know that people sometimes get redirected and properly so my first time I had walked up the stairs and I was he's out of breath. I was sweating out of breath and then boom they're all there to greet you the committee and I was like, so it was terrible. So you're maybe you're better off so you didn't meet them the first time but no, but the amazing part was coming down the red carpet before that, you know, you reach the paparazzi and I'm standing there and it's just me and Michael was re CEO Gucci. Oh, yeah, and that's a big deal for Mcgill. And so I'm looking around at called Asians is back there, but Honors over there. Oh I'm saying wait a minute. Am I in the right line? No, that was like before I even got to to the paparazzi. It was like I was taken aback. I could not believe what was happening. And I mean being at the Met is a big deal. Yeah. It was a very big deal being a part of the met and you had a table and you dress everybody the table. What was it like to finally be recognized by the fashion industry that they actually saw you for who you were and invited you to come in. Still quite haven't gotten over all of that. I can't even describe it to my friends to so outside of what we even know, but you know what the big tough but part about all of that that made me realize it it's just I didn't know how restricted the invitations Hall hmm. I don't want to mention names without there was some prominent names that I thought would be able to attend weren't able to attend. I was told you wanted to put it your table not even necessarily at my table. I had two people I want to put my I like that bitch, but just the way I learned the things that I learned about, you know, how they it's a very exclusive party. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean these established like people in the industry. So I was like, wow, this is a really big deal. I know it is. It's the who's who it's the Extravaganza and it's an all-night event and then you go into the After parties and that all turns into a thing as well. But what I didn't realize and what I didn't realize until I did all of my Dap research is that when I came in to actually design the dress with you you gave me full Reign Over designing the dress and this is truly who you are. This is who you've been since the 80s you've never told anybody what to wear you've always ask people. What do you want to wear? Yes, and I came in and I showed you a picture of Rihanna wearing a little tuxedo jacket. I said I want to do something like this. And you said okay cool, but how we going to make a Dap and we started picking out the fabrics and Thing how has your process changed or evolved over the years or has is this truly how you work fashion in relationship to Fine Arts has a different twist to it. Right? I'll see fashion is primarily something that's transformative right and for to be transformative not just transformative coming from me but to be able to transform people that I dress because I know each experience. I'm reliving the first time that I've been able to dress. Me and to get that feelings. So it's like, you know, you had a great High one day and you keep hitting that high. So everybody who comes you know, I get the opportunity to transform and to me that's the ultimate in fashion, right and not only that it keeps you relevant because you all who you dress. Hmm, you know, and did I give her like say for us as well? I gave to you. I'll let you play with your ideas and then I'll show you my ideas right and you see That came alive. I mean it was a true collaboration because it was exactly and for those of you at home. I mean, I I feel like I might have been one of the best-dressed the feedback from that it was like so exciting it really all it was my fate one of know I would just tell you it's my favorite Matt look ever it is perfect the beauty of all that is that your input in that it was like a reflection of yourself. Yeah. Yes. It makes the person wearing your looks feel even more confident. Don't ya elec was there the other day and we just select for bizarre the harbor bizarre. Yeah, and she was so excited. She says I've never been able to do this. I've never been able to come and get to wear something based on me and what I wanted, you know, and I love that. I love that. I think that I would like to see a lot of the youngsters who come along have as much an input that day. I think our designers have a tendency to be 2 into themselves. We need them to be creative and Eliminate these ideas from the self but we need some to embrace as well enormously and I think that had a lot to do with certain brands that been around forever and they lose connection to the people who they serve you know, but yes, I think that's what kept me relevant over the years. I think so. I mean you've transcended so many different cultures and looks and you just kept it you and now talking about the creative process. I want to talk about how you actually got Got here today, and there's a quote in your Memoir that I love and it was I was having trouble sewing my life together. So God made me a tailor. Yes, exactly. Tell us about that. I found the true secret to life is not only the ability to make yourself happy but to be able to instill happiness into the world and fashion allowed me to do that. I always remember when I was in the street and running the streets in the subculture and a drill culture. In they had a drug sweep, right? And in this drug sweep, it took off a whole lot of young people out of the community was selling drugs, but this was just one young girl who never sold drugs, right? She like refused to and everybody in her Circle did and I go up to her and say wow, they took everybody took all your friends. She was 15 years old and she told me she said that's what happens to people who make money off other people's sorrows. That resonated with me and I talked about that in the book. That is so amazing, you know, and so I said if I ever do something I want to do I want to do something like fashion through fashion. I can make people feel good about themselves, which is the opposite, you know to what I've seen that's why I'm so happy about everything that I'm doing now is opposite to what I felt to I mean just being on this side of it and that's why I feel like anybody who walks into your Tilly a you've make them feel like family immediately ordered. Could you have family working with you? Exactly? You have family who you have people working with you who aren't family who feel like they're family. Yes, and then you're automatically family when you walk in. I mean it's a sense of community. Is that how also you were raised to just have a sense of community around you the Hall of you know, today is the community but I grew up in the Harlem that was the village. You know, you hear people say it takes a village and yes, it does take a village like I think Martin Luther King was the one it says like 11 o'clock Sunday morning was America's most segregated hour. And the reason he said that not any relationship to racism anything. It's just that 11 o'clock Sunday morning in Harlem. You see everybody. I mean virtually everybody leaving their houses going to the different churches. Yeah. It was like so beautiful man. Now you're going to home today. We have these huge anybody visiting a home. Please take notice to these huge churches we have these churches will Full full of worshiping people. That's the home that I grew up in that's the village and so I'm used to that kind of community. You know, I'm used to that Village atmosphere and I never allow myself not to have that. So even now now I have this luxury Stone home. You will find me standing on the corner and front of my store. I know people in my community the average person in my community can't afford the luxury stuff that are going but I want them to know that I'm a part of them. So that's why you see me standing on the corner. Eating people and talking to people and saying hi to people is like a beautiful thing. That's a part of what I think the community should be like and what the community that raised me open door and open hand. Yes. What was your style like before you were standing out on the storefront greeting everybody? What was my style like? Okay. Okay back even in the 70s. What was your style like what you see today is the modification of what my style was like back then you know, I like with Alexandra does he like As a flare to it because it's always what we did. Yep. If there's anything that personifies our culture and how we relate to traditional looks and I did a lot of research on this. It's the Zoot Suit. What does that one look like the Zoot Suit? Okay, let me take significant because it's a reflection of our culture. All right, and in zoot suits is today is the way that I have done with the major. Is that the where are we remix the major brands? So at the great ballrooms back then when I was dancing in the ballrooms, everybody would dance but um the clothes that they were wearing wasn't suitable for the dance. So they used to tie the back of their pants is tied at there and then the tail is got on say let's just make the suit like that so they designed a zoot suits to fit the way. They were there sitting right this combination of Music took place where Dizzy Gillespie inand all the great jazz musicians went down to Cuba and And develop this music with the afro Cubans that Africa Brazil called afro-cuban Jazz, right? So the cube has picked up the Zoot Suit, right and the Cubans took it into Mexico. So the Mexicans picked it up and took it into California and that's when you saw the Zoot Suits in California says this will appease your thing. Like this is what you this is the historic the biggest historical thing that I could draw on that would explain, you know this cultural. Naaman on is taking place with hip-hop and Gucci which took place in the hip hop in the Major Brands. But this amazing thing happened right the same controversy that took place with the Gucci and everything. The Brand's took place with the zoo suits because this took place like a World War II now in the Zoot Suits is like United States government is saying we don't have enough fabric because the Zeus's take so much fabric, right? Yeah. So anybody got caught wearing a Zoot Suit was considered an American this is gone. This is the Deep this is considered under America and that's what generated the Zoot Suit Riots. Maybe you'll see me with a like a Gucci suit suit, but fashion fashion is amazing because if you look deep enough into it, you can extract so many Rich stories just like just like when you were in Liberia, and you met that Taylor exactly, can you tell oh, yeah at home not that time because I feel like this was a moment that kind of started to shape. Yes. That was there was very important because I'm growing Like out in the streets with all the street traits, you know, the criminal Street traits and I just decided that I didn't want to be part of that no more and I just left and went to Africa and while I'm traveling around Africa, you know naturally with had my debit, you know, my little deeper look and I get and I get to library I had went to I went to his house. Yeah, but which is the Congo now Kinshasa and for The Rumble in the Jungle woman when Muhammad Ali was fighting George Foreman and then first Time in Africa the right. That was my second time. That was just like okay. Yeah, so I'll Yvonne's I go to Lagos Nigeria and then I end up in Liberia. Right? So I want that last lap of the trips. So I said, let me get some artifacts so are going out to the market to get some out of facts, right? I'm looking at all the facts on say manner like this like that and the African Taylor's look at me up. They say I like your clothes I said, oh, yeah. I said you want to trade you say. Yeah, I ran up in the hotel got all my luggage is what I need be coming back United States with clothes that I got from them. Glue so I came back trade it all my clothes off for the artifacts on which I have in my Brownstone the home today. And in addition to that I had to make me close and this is where the Dapper Dan's style. This is why you see him he say I'll blacken eyes did or Africanized it. So what I did was with the fabrication they had their and the styles that African Americans will United States. I brought that combination together and had to make me thinks and that's what I came back with and I thought never left. So when I came back later on when I decide to go in the fashion, I develop that idea and and here and therefore Dapper Dan was born and nurtured say yeah, and then there's another story that I really like in the Memoir to because it's like you took yourself from Africa and then here you are. You're still designing first. Yeah. I was the 91st. Yes and a young man comes in and he's got an LV bag. And everybody starts they're just dead. Yeah, you know the big thing about that when I changed my life and you study religion the further you go back into religion it all vanishes into symbolism. So I was like really studying a lot of symbolism. So when this guy comes in my store now, this is not just a regular guy. This is his big guy. This is Jack Jackson, Jack Jackson was the most important person that come behind Nicky Barnes and and Bumpy Johnson knows really anti-heroes that come out of Harlem right and he is actually one of your Heroes. Yeah, he's one of my customers right got it. So he comes up with this Louis Vuitton pouch full $100 bills. I'm looking at the palace everybody's excited. This is Jack, you know and everybody gets excited about that pouch. I'm looking at the process a why they're so excited about their power any but five dollars-six dollars worth of item. But what I noticed was the symbols on it is what makes the difference it's the symbols, you know, the L the be the variation of the East Cross, you know me I said, oh that's what it is. Right. Imagine if I can take those symbols and create outfits that I have them looking like them bags. And then the whole idea was born. So from that point on I took myself textile printing so that I could you know, initially I said, I got to get them symbols right away. So I wouldn't buy a Gucci bags and Louis bags and cut them up I say but the sake of work can't have nobody to look walking around looking like plastic man, right because it was garment bag. Uh, yeah because of that hard vinyl, so I said I'm sweaty. Yes. I said I have to teach myself how to do this and put this on leather and put this on fabric. So then I start reading books going to particular trade shows so that I can you know industrial trade show that I can teach myself how to print on leather and different factors that I came up with this concept that I kept secret where I can put the leather and then the holdup and and I did this whole black and knives and luxury Brands was born and then this is where You got the actual title of the father of logo. Yes, and I was so excited about that. I think one of my greatest moments was being at the Museum of Modern Art and the curator at the Museum of Modern Art says to me he said that you are the most significant person for fashion motifs of the 20th century, you know, almost fell out now I was there that was like, so amazing. It's amazing how the artistic Community is more welcoming than the Um Community man, so that was like a big moment for me. No. Well. How long have you been doing this? I mean, you're 35 years 35 because death is 75. Sorry. I put you on blast but this it's remarkable to see how long yes, you have been doing this. Yes. Yes 35 years, but the big thing is like and I want everybody notice. The most important thing is to always prepare yourself to start over. You don't stay in shape Eat Right exercise. You know one of my favorite authors is Professor Hilton, wholesome the first book I read by hand wins own man's higher Consciousness. And in that he points out. He says every cell in your body and this is 1968-69. When I was reading he said every cell in your body will be replaced, you know, and then he goes into how to regenerate the body. Right? And this is something the scientist wasn't even saying like this was like the height of metaphysics. This guy was he's part of the theosophical society. So not impressed. All of those guys who you know take me back to when you first opened your store in Harlem. Do you remember who your first customer was? Of course because there was locals, you know, but the actual person no not exact. Okay, that's fine. I can tell you the first person with money who was who please let us know that would that would have to be checked with the big money, you know, you got to remember rappers didn't have any money back then, you know, there was just starting out wrap. No rap music was just it was the birth of the age of the wrap a shadow and you've worked with all of the top rappers Hustlers athletes all of them. Do you know this might be a really hard question for you just because it would be hard one for me as well. But do you have a favorite look from the 80s or 90s that you designed? Do? I have a favorite outfit that yes the most popular the one I would consider my most favorite. It's actually three but let me tell you why okay, the outfits that I did. Or Eric be and walk em, it looks Royal its golden black and it looks Royal but the most significant thing about it is you can tell from those outfits that I was reflecting who my customers was and not just something I was designing. So Rakim is a five percenter. So on the back of rakim's jacket, I put the 5% aside, which he wanted Erich be wasn't a five percenter. So I put the Gucci puff patch on the back of him as a reflection of who they are and those the two jackets that are in the outfits I look up to but in addition to that I think the most popular of all time is the Louis Vuitton snorkel that I did for what we call a boy wonder one of the guys who whose Style Just defines the particular age group and that was like a guy called on Alberto Martinez on Alpo, you know, and and the jacket that most people identify with Alberto is the snorkel because the snorkel was a Louis Ooh tongue, but a soft Plage a leather with the Louis Vuitton print that was phenomenal. So those are the three outfits that really defined at age. And then you're in your Brownstone. What was it a brownstone? It is a brownstone how it is. But the first one was it a brownstone as well. Yes is around so I still have it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I want to do political stage 2 and I was trying to get people to understand that gentrification was coming to home, but I couldn't get the community understand it. I took it upon myself to buy me a brownstone, you know, I pay $50,000 for back then and today is worth four million dollars and that's just to show you you know, so 10 years after having your first store. Now, we've got Mike Tyson and it's green. Yeah and Mike close Mitch's I yes he closed it and then here they are in your chili a yeah causing all kinds of trouble. They've got mad beef that changed the whole it was the best of times. It was the worst attack. Yeah, that best describe it. No, cause when I was under the radar, none of the brands will be aware of what I was doing or how I was doing it and then all of a sudden here's a teenage champion heavyweight champion is one of my main customers and and and this is interesting because I just had a conversation with her today. This is how I met Naomi Campbell. Really? Yeah. She was 19. She came to the store with Mike Tyson. Wow. Yeah 19. We talked about a whole career, you know, these separate staircases that we took and that's a whole nother subject because Naomi Campbell was on our way up that staircase and I was on my way up the other staircase, you know, and so yeah, Mike Tyson came with home. He came with Miss America the second big black America. Oh, wow. Yeah my cousin and they get into a fight, but then all of a sudden the cops come Professionally in the ring and Miss green wasn't happy about the outcome in terms of money as well as he didn't feel might beat him. So I had I'm waiting on Mike. I just made a jacket for Mike Tyson this coal don't believe the hype and all the hype in the world jump on the that's what it was written on the back as he wanted on the back of his head don't believe the hype. I didn't realize that he was getting ready to Hype me out of the market. Yeah. So, um, thanks Mike. Yeah Mitch Green heard that Mike Tyson usually come. Must do so the kids in the neighborhood. Say yeah, Mike Tyson. Whip your butt. He's over the store now and that's what brought him there that night. Yes, 2:30 in the morning and I was waiting for him to come pick up his jacket as you know, he's open 24 hours a day 365 days 10 years straight. Your customer service is impeccable. That's right at all times. So that turned into a street brawl started to the store without this are occurring steeple the next morning. It's all over all the major Publications. And then all the brands begin to say who is the Dapper Day then they all converged on me and then he had to work underground for 20 years 20 years 20 years underground and then was it 20 years underground? And then in 2017 is when Gucci had redone the Diane Dixon jacket. Well, it's an amazing story. You know, when you look at if you look at the whole picture my community and people of color communities throughout the world with open arms when they saw With social media came about when they finally found out. We'll all these Major Brands these ideas came from because they were poaching your ideas. Exactly. Do we even have social media at this point or was it your grandson that show to you? Well, you know what because I only say that because I know your grandson and I know he runs your social media now. Yeah, my grandson was involved in social media, but my son knew how my son Jelani he knew more about what involved this. You know, I knew nothing about black Twitter social media. Not now, but my son on Jelani and my other son Dana jr. They would teach me down. Like this is the new thing and then got it. Well not because I saw Tom Ford I saw Marc Jacobs. I saw that they were using my my ideas as far back as two thousand, you know, and now here was like 2017. Mm. I had no voice so I didn't challenge anything. So social media was your voice and social media became a voice. Yeah, and they set up for you and they stood up for me. I would have called. This a blessing in disguise. Well, what do you call this? I called it a miracle ha ha nothing short of a miracle because it like transform my whole life it transformed our own life and and to see this while I'm still you know eating and breathing is amazing thing. What is your partnership with Gucci look like today beyond anything that I could ever expect and I tell people this all the time this partnership is so miraculous that it's more like a dream than a reality. So much like a dream. I tell my friends don't get you close to me because if you pinch me and I wake up, I'm going to kill you. Yeah, so this whole thing with Gucci right? I had skepticism in the beginning because I said nah, why would they reach out like that? But then when I read up on multiple, sorry, and I read up on Alexandro and talk to him and find out the parallels between how Alexandra was coming up and what he faced as being a gay guy in Italy during the 80s and he told me his story and I'm a black guy Growing Up In Harlem during the 80s. You know, it's just Society conflicts in different ways, but it was the same type of conflict when you look at the bottom line and that influenced him and this influenced me and then Marco is brilliant because Marco knew that the age of cultural diversity and inclusivity has to be it has to Happened. It's inevitable. So between them to they led the charge to change the whole thing, you know, so, I'm sorry. I was very happy. I'm very happy about the deal. I'm happy for you. I think I mean when you walk in and you see Gucci everywhere in your chili a it's a Telltale sign that they are in a true collaboration with you as well. Yeah. So you talked about in your Memoir this time that made me cry because maybe it's because I'm hormonal right now, but it was about a time that you and your dad. Dad went suit shopping. Oh, yeah said to you you can read. Yeah, that's the most powerful moment in my life. You know, I really had to like reflect on and I constantly reflect on this. It's never been a time when that wasn't relevant to who I'm talking to who I'm meeting that goes with me everywhere man. I remember see my father came up from the south, you know, and he only went to the third grade. So that was like right after reconstruction American reconstructions, right? And he came up and he never we never saw any his family and I couldn't understand I said Dad how you leave home with 12 years old people really need to read to understand that my father left home at 12 years old. But with my father came up in 1910, he was 12 years old. That was right During the Reconstruction when African-Americans was leaving the South because you know the racial turmoil in the Ku Klux klan's on things are coming off. So those were the strongest people who left but that was the typical thing for people of color to leave at that age and come on, you know. No, but he only wanted was able to go to the third grade for you left. So when he gets up, he teaches himself how to read and and did a good job pretty good job, and then we're going to buy a suit one day, right and it's going to be on credit. I took the contract I said, let me see the card check. I'll take the contract and read it and at this time I was in eighth grade, you know new mathematical equation on figuring out how much he was going to have to pay. I said Dad don't buy this man. It's gonna cost sweet. I'm going to go so we are leaving the store and we One down the staircase, right? And my father starts me Midway going down and tears welling up in his eyes and he said boy don't you know, you could read he say boy you can read you know, and at that moment. I didn't understand what he meant. But as I changed when I changed my life right after that deal, I remember what he said and I read my way out of every problem that I've ever been into. I read my way into fashion. I read my way into gamma and I didn't I didn't let nothing stop me. For whatever. I learned I went and got a book. You know, I think that's it's so remarkable to hear you and all the interviews I've listened to and the Memoir that I the parts that I did read. You are a true educator you are about educating yourself knowing your history knowing where you come from knowing what you're walking into you want to know about people everything. I've never did recreational reading. I don't even know what that is always did directional reading. What is it that I need to know. What books do I have to retake Maan and have been In politics and it's all relevant. So and you see here on The Breakfast Club. I need it to be able to know these things to relate to this generation what this partnership meant would be in Gucci. You know, how do you have a boycott? You know, how do you how do you boycott a brand and you get nothing you walk away from around with nothing historically that has never happened people of color have never boycotted and without results, you know I'm saying and And in addition to that the boycott wasn't a valid when anyway well which is why I'm glad that you implemented the system that you did too. What is it that you're doing now and you're talking about inclusion and diversity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, inclusivity and diversity. Yes A system that you want to create and bring to other fashion brands. Yeah. It's a break to all the fashion brands. I'm going to spare her dead and thanks to Marco and Alexandra. We're doing that today, you know and this this is like I wish I can encourage people to read young people to read. This is the argument that goes back all the way back to the turn of the century between Du Bois Frederick Douglass, you know, and in the early think is man. Well, I just say your true inspiration young old black white everybody in between. So thank you so much. What is next for Dapper Dan? What I would like to see now is to have people looking at fashion and different way fashion to ERM not just individuals but communities man and I think that's what's so significant either intentional or unintentional when Alexandria Incorporated all these ideas from around the world, you know that validates who we all are we all need to tap into that energy and let the whole world know we are diverse, you know, but even though we're diverse we can be inclusive as well. And so that's the charge. I want to leave. That's the direction I wanted. Take okay. So on pretty big deal, I like to do one last thing to close everything up and it's you fill in the blank. Okay? Okay. You ready? Yeah. Okay fill in the blank. I pretty much always take public transportation. Okay. What's the biggest lesson you've learned in the past year to be in charge of my social media myself and not nobody else. What's the biggest? Just deal you've ever made my partnership with Gucci. Hey, and finally, you're obviously a pretty big deal. But what is a pretty big deal to you a pretty big deal for me is to be able to a deal that would then allow me to create generational wealth for my family. Hmm. It's about the Legacy and it's about the generational wealth. Laughter damn. Thank you so much. Thank you. I really appreciate your time. Oh and I got some other stuff for the new boy. Yes, you can. Oh my goodness. Oh, this is so cute. You okay? Everybody out listening. I have a Dapper Dan for Gucci box in my hand and it's for the little baby. Oh, oh my goodness Yep. This is such a perfect onesie. Thank you. Thank you. So Mason sweet and so many ways. I'm hearing Q. Thank you. Wait to put my baby in this. Well, I hope you come to the baby shower. Of course. Okay, it's gonna be enough Ember you ancelotti in the whole fam Dapper Dan. Thank you so much and everybody at home. We want you guys to be a part of this. Relation. So make sure you go to hashtag pretty big deal. And don't forget to subscribe on YouTube and don't forget to go to Instagram and Twitter app pretty big deal pod. We want to hear from you. And we also need you to talk to that below. So it would see you soon. Pretty big deal is produced by pretty big deal Productions and obb sound.

Ashley Graham sits down with fashion icon and Harlem legend, Dapper Dan! You may know him as the Father of Logo Mania — and you’ve definitely seen his designs on artists, athletes, and runways across the world. Dap found his way into the fashion world when he was inspired to put his signature spin on looks from famous European brands. Decades after being forced to close his first shop and take business underground, Dap has returned to the mainstream, reopened his Harlem atelier, and taken his rightful seat at the table in the fashion industry. HOST: Ashley Graham GUEST: Dapper Dan EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Ashley Graham, Penni Thow, Scooter Braun EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Michael D. Ratner, Scott Ratner, Miranda Sherman PRODUCED BY Pretty Big Deal Productions, OBB Picture & OBB Sound CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Kelsey McWilliams, Ava Coleman DIRECTED BY: Kaliya Warren WRITER: Ava Coleman LINE PRODUCER: Jess Vogel ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: Ilyssa Walker RESEARCHER: Shahnaz Mahmud DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY: Katherine Castro PRODUCTION DESIGNER: Lauren Nester EDITORS: Crystal Arnette, Lucy Tatiana Morales MAIN TITLE THEME BY: Johannes Raassina, Lefteris Ioannou POST PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR: Jess Vogel COLORIST: Marika Litz SOUND MIXER: James Sparber TITLE THEME PRODUCER: Johannes Raassina KEY PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Julissa Ramirez PRODUCTION SOUND: Kit Jirles ADDITIONAL SOUND RECORDIST: Deanne Williams ART DIRECTOR: Laura Miller PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Catrina Kokkoris DATA MANAGEMENT: Melissa Bueno-Werner PRODUCTION ASSISTANTS: Masha Zhak, Adam Duplechain.

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Sagittarius season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you and leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you.At their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. 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Mercury will station direct at Degrees of Scorpio mercury has been retrograde since October 31st, but it entered what's called its shadow phase when it made its first pass over the area that it retrograded back on October 11th. So reflect back on the last couple of months and notice what has been coming up for you in these last few months mercury has been retrograde in a part of your chart that has a lot to do with your Basic Energy how you're applying yourself. Day-to-day how you're attending to your jobs your chores your tasks and definitely how you're working with your own bodily needs your your health, but really your Wellness on all levels. So as mercury turns direct then it'll move into the last part of its retrograde cycle. So this is the shadow phase on the other end as it reached reverses over this area of the sky that it had retrograded back to and between November 20th. And December 7th Mercury will be completing its shadow cycle. So during this period of time is often when we have a lot of the insights and awareness that Mercury retrograde can bring so there may be resolution of issues that got a little wonky or Haywire during the retrograde. There may be important insights to take note of particularly again around how you're using your energy how you're attending to your responsibilities and tasks and definitely your health your wellness and your well-being more. Curie will move into Sagittarius on December 9th, and it will Transit sajan till December 29th, and it will meet up with the sun there and the sun enters Sagittarius on November 22nd. So Sagittarius season is a time when this year both Mercury and the sun will be bringing a lot of influence into this part of your chart. So as your opposite sign Sagittarius implies the way that you meet the external world. How you coming Into relationship with people, who are you are not already related to in terms of your family or early influences these kinds of relationships require you to come to the table with your full self and to be aware of your assumptions and your expectations about relationships and certainly about your projections onto them. Now Sagittarius is a sign that can bring us a lot of information and so especially during the season I want to encourage you to be aware of how you Process information especially the information that comes in through your relationships. Are you telling yourself stories about what other people are thinking or feeling or experiencing that are not verified by those actual people. Are you making judgements based on your perceptions? How are you picking up Clues from other folks what's happening in your relationships that is pushing you to grow. So you've probably seen those diagrams. Let's say, you know the most growth Occurs when we're just a little bit uncomfortable when we're just a little bit outside of our kind of comfort and familiarity zone. So if your relationships are calling you to step a little bit into discomfort right now, then you're just on time and I hope that you're having experiences that allow you to open up your mind to consider new possibilities and the opportunities of relationship a big theme for Sagittarius is always what can can I learn from this experience now, especially around the new moon on November 26. There's a new moon at three degrees of Sagittarius. This is a wonderful time for you to be setting intentions for your relationships in general. The new moon time is a is a the beginning of a growth period so if you are setting intentions making ritual or ceremony to call in energies that you want to cultivate in your relationships, that's great. Of this lunar energy again. We can think about relationships of all kinds and the solar 7th house does specifically relate to marriages Partnerships collaborations the kinds of relationships where you're really invested with another person and working with them working together working collaboratively. So what do you want to cultivate in these relationships? How do you want to grow over the course of this next year? Let's think about the new moon. And in such this year until the new moon and sajan EXT year on December 11th will have the full moon. And of course the full moon is always an opposition between the Sun and the Moon with the sun in Sagittarius. We have the moon in Gemini. So this axis between your identity and your relationships is illuminated at this full moon. And again one thing to be considerate of is what kind of information is coming in during the full. And there's a lot of information that could come through at this full moon, and because of some other planetary aspects that information might not be clear at first. There may be a feeling of overwhelm or a feeling of pressure around the full moon. I really want to encourage you to use this full moon time to be as contemplative as you can again, especially in relationship with all people to take your time, too. Think about what you're going to say before you say it to really try and give a lot of space for interpretation around what other people are saying if you're not sure what someone is saying ask them to explain get verification open to people in a positive way with the idea of their best intent around the full moon. We're entering into the disseminating cycle of this lunar phase. So from the full moon to the new moon, you might think about what are you wanting to let go? I love when it comes to relationship patterns when it comes to your identity within relationships or how you function in them a couple of other things happening this month. Both Venus and Jupiter will move into the sign Capricorn. So they'll be moving from Sagittarius the the sign and house placement. I was just talking so much about in terms of your relationships into another part of your chart that actually goes deeper in to relationship. Now this place in your chart called the solar eighth. House really deals with the subtext or the subliminal energy within relationships. So of course you have what's happening on the surface? And then you have what's happening underneath things that have happened that have created a little bit of resentment. You know, that might come up when things like that happen again, but you don't want to talk about it fears insecurities desires jealousies jealousies the ways that you share and exchange. Interest people are really big theme of this part of your chart and how you kind of work energetically in relationships in general is also a really big theme in this part of your chart now Venus and Jupiter are both considered to be benefic planets. That means that they bring Good Vibes with them Venus is bringing qualities of magnetism and attraction Jupiter is bringing the capacity to learn grow develop knowledge cultivate mean meaning and also bringing a lot of generosity and potential for opportunity with it. So over the course of the next month or so that Venus is in Capricorn from November 25th until December 20th. This is a great time for you to enter into more tender transparent vulnerable conversations or exchanges with others is also a really good time to ask for what you want and need if you're wanting a raise at work. This is a great time to do it Jupiter in this. Sign will be here for a little over a year from December 2nd of this year until December 20th of 2020. So over the course of the next year, you are supported to grow Leaps and Bounds in your kind of again deeper subtext of relationships. This is a time for you to be working with your own energy. What kinds of Vibes are you emanating? How do you work with them security when it comes up, how do you work with vulnerability? How do You work with expectation. How do you work with the kinds of relationships circumstances that build in there residue? How do you address things that are uncomfortable? How do you stretch yourself to grow and to the places that feel scary? These are all really big themes with Jupiter in your Eighth House and particularly again, I want to encourage you to expand your sense of possibility. Notice how you filter information notice when you're projecting. This is a really great time for you to learn and to be letting go of old coping strategies old habits old mechanisms in intimacy and in relationships that have to do with sharing exchange vulnerabilities of any kinds that aren't serving you. So let those things go finally on November 28th. We have the national day of mourning. Otherwise known as Thanksgiving Day. In the United States, I'm encouraging everyone this year to give some time give some money give some support to indigenous LED organizations. I'm giving time and support this month and this year to the indigenous environmental Network. There are an amazing organization that's fully indigenous lead. They do a lot of really important work with environmentalism and education. If you want to learn more about them, please check them out at ien Earth dot-org to More about the astrology this month, please become a subscriber. There's so much going on this month. There's a ton of planetary aspects. There are ways to work with the moon and it's lunar cycles and you can get all of that in my subscriber extended forecast the recording as well as the calendar so you can work with astrology in your own life a little bit more closely day-to-day. You can learn a lot more about Sagittarius by listening to the embodied astrology podcast for Sagittarius season get lots of Oh jeez and approaches for working with Sagittarius through embodiment through understanding it as an energy and behavior that we can all connect and resonate with please share this work if you enjoy it and thank you so much for listening. I'm wishing you all the best in Sagittarius season and Beyond bye for now.

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Lightning is becoming a service layer an application layer of sorts for Capital markets on top of Bitcoin. So what does it mean exactly that we're providing services to the network? What might that market begin to look like? That's what we're reading. Day with another one from Breeze technology written by their CEO Roy Seinfeld who we've had on the show. I will have all those links in the show notes, but for now, let's jump into introducing lightning service providers. The lightning economy is coming and it will combine two fundamental components technological innovation and actual people. The technology is lightning itself peer-to-peer trustless fast and economical Bitcoin transactions. Sure. There are some user experience wrinkles to be ironed out but there is no doubt that Bitcoin is going to replace Fiat and lightning is how The other half of the equation though is adoption actual people have to start using the technology and accept it as their default means of exchange as Lightning replaces Fiat. The network will have to own board new users by the million and then by the billion, how can we manage own boarding at that scale? simple with lightning service providers What is an LSP when thinking about the challenge of onboarding it's important to remember that many incoming users aren't coming from Bitcoin. They'll be onboarding directly from Fiat and they'll need someone to guide them onto the network. Even experienced technically sophisticated users could use some help to avoid non obvious obstacles. For example, even a user willing and able to open her own channels manually will have to spend money first. IE move local balances outward to create inbound capacity before she can receive money, which is the opposite of what most users would prefer. In choosing a hub for her initial connection, how can she tell which ones are stable and well connected even if she uses autopilot to help find active hubs opening Channels with the hub's it recommends is still a bet on the Hub stability. She's betting her setup fees that she won't have to repeat the process. Should one of these hubs decide to close the channel unilaterally. Those are the kinds of problems LSPs solve they provide users with a stable connection to the lightning Network simplified Channel management and liquidity while ISP is a well-known term. You probably never heard about LSP before the similarities between the lightning Network and the internet in many respects are striking. It's no accident that the term lightning service provider resembles internet service. Provider they're similar in that they both connect users to a wider network, but different networks require different functions from their service providers. So let's talk about those functions. What does in LSP actually do? Lightning is a network of nodes connected by payment channels those payment channels comes with a number of features that both make the network secure and trustless as well as potentially cumbersome for new users. These features would include capacity limits inbound and outbound liquidity routing through payment channels from sender to receiver the need to sync with the Bitcoin maenette Etc. LSPs basically constitute counterparties on users payment channels that perform Channel management functions automatically in order to ensure that they work consistently and effortlessly from a user's perspective. For example, one opening channels and LSPs. First function is to open a Channel with a new users node and confirm its active status. Since the channel is initiated in created by the LSP. The user doesn't need to fund the channel herself from an existing long chain wallet, which greatly simplifies the onboarding process LSP scan on board Fiat users directly leapfrogging on chain technology and flattening the learning curve. two incoming capacity when a user manually opens a channel, she cannot receive any payments until she spins some of the funds used to open the channel in an LSP model where the LSP funds the channel from the outset users benefit from immediate inbound capacity while users will still have to deposit funds into the channel before they can spend anything the LSPs inbound capacity will let them receive funds immediately via Once the channel is active. 3 routing LSPs act as hubs providing users with a secure stable connection to a node that itself is well connected with payment channels to further hubs and ensuring that users can always route payments where they please LSPs connectivity is their capital. For rebalancing hubs need open Channels with each other to Route payments. They also have local and remote balances and if those balances fall out of balance, then they will no longer be able to forward users payments a busy Hub whose channels are all skewed toward. The remote balances won't be able to forward payments and a hub receiving High volumes of incoming transfers. Run out of Channel capacity to accept anymore. Another vital LSP function then is rebalancing the distribution of funds in the local and remote balances among themselves to ensure the liquidity of their payment channels and the mobility of users funds. five reliability in order to avoid downtime users can either open a range of different channels with different nodes in different locations and on different terms, or they can connect to just one or a few hubs who must provide reliable service to survive the first strategy requires lots of management and lots of funds to be committed in different places. Whereas the latter relies on the Network's built-in incentive structure to solve the problem. Beyond up time there is also the more fundamental need to have open channels available at all. When push comes to shove either node on a payment channel can force close it with little or no Warning by providing users with rock-solid SLA s or service level agreements LSPs can reassure users that they will be able to pay and get paid when they want without having to manage multiple channels. It's and commit funds all over the network and the SLA is reassure users that channel closures will only happen in predictable well-defined circumstances. LSPs without centralization At first glance there's a tension between Bitcoins decentralized peer-to-peer trustless nature and a network with hubs is in there. If users connect to the network over a single Hub and payments or simply routed from one Hub to another it might sound like centralization. That's not exactly true because it's so easy to mitigate. Why should anyone connect to a single LSP? Why shouldn't users have the option to Of several LSPs available in their apps and be able to choose whichever offers the lowest transaction fees if we keep the barriers to entry low and there's a lively Market of LSPs users can hop between them to suit their own purposes. They need not rely on any single LSP and the network will remain decentralized. Although LSPs don't require trust ideally users will run their own full nodes and essentially be their own LSP for the less Advanced users public LSPs provide them with the choice. They need to remain Sovereign and autonomous. LSPs help to onboard users and Breeze helps to own board LSPs despite the fact that it's a great business model open to virtually everyone. There are not many lsb's currently out there Breeze is one very good example, when users install the breeze app, we provide them with 1 million satoshi's of incoming capacity in channels. The breeze Hub opens for them. Automatically. Our Hub is well connected to it actively rebalances funds on its payment channels to ensure. liquidity with over 70 other hubs at the moment Breeze users automatically opt into the breeze LSP in the near future though will be giving our users the option to select a different LSP within the app. They'll still be able to use the breeze app with all of its advantages but they'll be able to select the LSP or LSPs of their choice including their own nodes choice is good for users competition is good. For the market decentralization is good for the network and users are good for Breeze everybody wins, but we're not the only LSB currently operating. There are a few others on the market providing users with funded channels and with more or less Channel and balance management lightning to me Ln big.com and bit refills Thor for example, they're all doing their part. Part two on board users in to expand the lightning economy. We are actively proving the viability of the LSP model and we welcome you to join us. If you operate your own LSP or are interested in getting one started but need users contact us. We'd love to include you as an option in our Android and iPhone apps. Let's onboard the world to the lightning economy. And that wraps up our excellent little article on Lightning service providers by Roy Seinfeld and I really want to talk about this one because it's going to lead into our guides take episode for tomorrow. So I'll let me go get something to drink real quick. We'll hit our sponsor and I'll be back. We'll sit down and get into this one. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid For exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. If I don't want it I can edit at sound effects clips and they automatically publish to all of the top podcasting platforms. I never had to do a thing. So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app or go to Anchor dot f FM today All right, so I want to actually start this off with a little bit of pushback and I want to do it with just kind of a little dose of reality here and there was a quote towards the beginning which I don't really take a lot of challenge to I don't take a lot of issue with but I do I take little bit of issue with the finality of the statement and that is quote. There is no doubt that Bitcoin is going to replace Fiat and lightning. How now this is essentially what I believe but I want to say that I don't think there is any doubt that a decentralized money a decentralized sound money will replace Fiat and that lightning and Bitcoin are the two most powerful candidates for that in terms of a cryptocurrency. Nothing touches Bitcoin in any sense of what I think of as the value and the purpose of a decentralized what we get out of that system and the validation that we are able to maintain I don't think anything comes close to bitcoin and if Bitcoin survives against a incredibly well funded and malicious State actor if the coin as a system makes it through that or if it survives a long enough to deal with the potential quantum computer problem, you know, whatever it is like cryptography does. Break, and even though there is massive incentive to ensure the system remains. I think that a a fundamental change in on the on the time span of a couple of decades. I don't think it's out of the question that we have to completely change the signature or the cryptographic scheme of Bitcoin. I think it would probably still be called Bitcoin, but I just want to I want to put a little dose. Of like okay that potential remains regardless of how unlikely that is I think it's still there. And then I also want to add that lightning isn't the only second layer solution. I think it is. It has absolutely the most potential for what is it out there and I have been using it and I don't intend to stop using it even with the handful of payment failures that I had that I have had. In fact, I've actually had Couple more recently. I wrote like a really long thread on Twitter about all this stuff that I've done with lightning and it has been incredibly reliable, even though some of the payments did take a while. They would like sit there and spin for a bit. One of them looked like it had failed like it just went back to the screen and then I had to check all my casa node, and it had actually gone through but I didn't know for like 20 minutes or something. So like the experience wasn't perfect like it was not Lately seamless and it wasn't like super fast and there were a couple of payments failed somewhere in that mix but I've been able to do a pretty substantial amount of transactions and exchanges on the lightning Network that just did not rely on chain payments and that has been pretty amazing to see it get to that point because I was trying to use it for a while and not having any luck and now it's a little different. I'm Actually using it using it like I'm actually moving funds around I'm using it not just to Tinker with but just because I can actually use it for some stuff. I can buy some gift cards. I can use fold. I can go out and get stuff in the world and I can use lightning and that's pretty awesome. And that's come a pretty long way in a pretty short amount of time again, however, it isn't the only option and we could come up with something completely better maybe side chains end up being a quicker and easier model that mean there's no telling there's no telling there's a ton of work happening on the lightning Network and I think it's got an unbelievable Head Start, but it's simply not the only thing out there and you know, there are plenty of competing protocols in the peer-to-peer Market in the early days of the internet and all sorts of stuff and you don't really know where it's going to And so we have a best guess and I think that statement is pretty much correct if you take out no doubt that Bitcoin is going to replace Fiat and lightning as hell. I think that's pretty much correct, but I just wanted to and you know, don't at me. Okay. I know I'm ridiculous and speaking absolutes pretty often and I've talked about how lightning is going to change everything and how Bitcoin was gonna bring down the state. I'm aware of that. This is just my moment to take a step back and And give a little dose of rational push back on this now if you want to go back and get really bullish. Listen to the Tales from the Crypt episode with Jack Mallards. Does I just listened to it so I know I'm like way over excited right now. That's why I'm trying to I'm trying to come back trying to come back down a little bit and talk about this this new LSP thing in a reasonable tone. So I'll tell you Breeze is really reason I've had so much luck with lightning lately. I have been relying on them as my LSP and I have made their wallet aside from kind of piggybacking off of my casa as my main like refunding and or refilling and withdrawing wallet. So I use it for I use Casa for payments. Much less often than I use Breeze, but it's mostly because of Breeze acting as an LSP that I have been able to use lightning all the time. And because it's a neutrino based node, so I don't sinking takes like hardly any time at all and I'm just starting to now that Olympus has just been announced from Z, Jack Mallards. Again, if you haven't listened to the Tales from the Crypt episode you got to this. This is going to be I'm so excited about this and so I'm trying to get back into these app while it because I haven't used it in a while. I'm going to use the crap out of the Olympus wallet or the the debit card straight to lightning service and I am excited to see how that plays out. So let's dig into the lightning service providers concept because I love this concept and it aligns everything so Flee to create an open market for this sort of service and I just think it's going to be I think the stage is being set for such a fascinating Market development like route that I find it hard. Like I still I think right now the path of least resistance to all of this is this sort of thing is an LSP essentially a services. Is platform a service layer? Well, yeah, then application application and service layer for the Bitcoin protocol stack. That's really what we're this what we're talking about here. And I think this is just going to be massive. So that's the biggest problem in lightning that that's the that's the one like always the point of failure is how do you find stable? Well connected nodes. I remember when there was an explosion of Channels and nodes early on in the network. Everybody's just opening Channels with anybody that like will open like this this available open Channels with I did it a lot too and in no time because people were just playing around with a network and seeing what it was like half of my channels would be offline and I'd be like crap. I didn't even get to do anything with any of these channels and now I'm having to check all these channels that are offline and you know half of my liquidity is like locked up and I can't do anything with it like very early on. Um when everybody was in the testing, let me just Boot something up and play around with it and shut it down phase. It was really kind of a headache and that's like the worst thing for your position in the lightning network. If you're not connected to Reliable nodes you you're not and you're not well connected to the network at all. You know, it's like that. It's like it doesn't matter how fast the internet itself is if you've got a dial-up connection If you've got a dial up internet connection being shared with six of your neighbors over, you know, ham radio signals. Well, then, you know, your internet experience is going to be crap doesn't matter if the whole rest of the network is fiber and that's really what we're talking about. When we're talking about finding that first group of nodes to connect to is what's your connection into the network? And that is the that's the prime target. For initial services in the lightning network is you liquidity is the service of the lightning Network liquidity for payments to make secure payments and that's to think that we're taking something that I mean, that's what visa provides a platform and liquidity for payments and they'd provide the infrastructure. Like this is all we're talking about this being built into the back end of a decentralized open source protocol. Is really an astounding breakthrough on this is not something to be scoffed at even if it doesn't even in this stage where it's not working reliably and I'm really I'm so excited about where Breeze has taken this and the fact that Roy the thank you by the way to Roy and even said anything about it for Roy writing this article because I was going to passing through in my head like it's just kind of imagining like, okay. What is it? Exactly is the service of the LSB and I like that laid out the you know, five main Services than LSP is actually providing but I would actually add a sixth one for aggregating and we'll get to that in just a minute because I think there's going to be I think there's going to be another layer to what lightning service providers offer that they're in a prime spot to offer. They could not they're basically getting the real estate that I think would put them in the top position for exactly this sort of service now, we'll get to that in just a second. But first I just want to get into the overall job of the LSP and I'm just going to hit all of them really fast. We've got opening channels, which if you've ever downloaded the breeze wallet breezes a great example to just have so you can kind of see how how this plays out. So if you haven't downloaded this bre easy, if you haven't downloaded it yet just go check it out. They open a channel to you automatically and you'll just wait for confirmation essentially and that happens immediately when you set up the wallet, so it really does only take a you know, handful of minutes like 10 20 minutes before you can actually use it as a lightning wallet, but that's the first thing the nila's P does is it will open a channel to you? And the second job is to give incoming capacity so that you can actually receive payments which you know for somebody actually getting into lightning for the first time may actually be wanting to do that. They may there's the onboarding is not really in the Bitcoin Community. The onboarding is in the noob Community the people who don't have Bitcoin in the been trying to figure out how to get it how to use it and what to do with it. So it's really important that these Services actually do provide incoming capacity. They have liquidity for exactly that service so somebody can receive $10 $50 in Bitcoin immediately. And that's the other thing about Olympus Jack Mallory hours news app service or whatever where you can just pay with a debit or credit card. I think maybe it's just a debit card. I don't remember. I'm still digging into all the details. I'm so excited about that, but I haven't had the time yet to go. Into it, but where you can buy Bitcoin with debit card and then have it immediately Fund in your zap wallet and that is incredibly incredibly exciting. I talk about getting through the user interface issue and the user experience with having to get them. I mean think about the comparison for where we've come like there are a number of apps now where the first iteration the first experience of anything. Thing with Bitcoin will come from a lightning transaction like so the normal setup now if you're even if you're like a Bitcoin Noob, it's like, okay. Well first sign up on this exchange and give them all your information and take a photo ID with your selfie or let's take a selfie with your photo ID, you know, give them all this crap sign up kyc AML blah blah blah connect your bank account transfer money into it by some Bitcoin now you got It up your own wallet, you know, you should probably get a hardware wallet. Here's the 24 word seed blah blah blah get up of Bitcoin account. This is your this is your address Now open up a lightning wallet. Now, this is the same Bitcoin address blah blah blah. I mean the list goes on and on. I mean the the track that I did from Bitcoin to a lightning wallet and then set up a channel don't use autopilot because autopilot is not very good. Here's directions on channel management. I mean the headache is in Shane like the complaint from be cashiers and big blockers or whatever that lightning is confusing and complicated is absolutely true in this stage of development and using it the way that I've had to use it. No nor me was ever going to do that. And I knew that that was that was absolutely clear. It was just so stupid in my opinion to assume that that wasn't going to change that. They were just know there's no way around this. It's like their issue with it was just a complete and utter lack of imagination. nation and the inability to actually or really the it's not even the inability. It was the purposeful ignorance on even trying to figure out if there was an easy and obvious solution to these problems that things could actually get sorted out. It was that they desperately just wanted it not to work. So why spend two minutes thinking up a solution and now obviously we have these things these things are landing LSPs are being developed and I love this concept. I think this is going to be a major part of lightning and I think this How we build this out in markets of professional liquidity providers that are available anywhere in the world and we'll get to why this is not a centralization problem. In fact, I think it's the exact opposite. I think it's a beautifully Global open decentralized market and I'm really excited about that. But before we get there so routing that's the next thing that the LSP does they act as hubs and they are the ones that Make sure routes are available liquidity is available. And that's also part of Channel balancing. The next thing is rebalancing that Capital that is available in like breeze talks about having 70 different channels available to other hubs and other nodes and other businesses and stuff on the lightning Network. So they have a plethora of routing options to reach each destination and Course the Simplicity of getting to any other Breeze user is just as obviously mean you're only going through one hop and and they keep because they've already offered up liquidity on your side. It's really easy to to bridge that Gap, you know, like everybody can already receive payments mean we did it at the Raleigh Bitcoin meet up. We had a noob come in and listen to the show and participate a little bit and she was kind of like I'm interested in Bitcoin, but I haven't really gone there yet. We got her to download the breeze wallet after a little bit while we were explaining kind of what was happening with the confirmation in this sinking which the sink doesn't take very long if anybody's listen to the previous episodes about neutrino. It's a very lightweight sinking. So even when I haven't opened up my Breeze wallet for a week and only it really only takes like 20 seconds to get caught up. Because the neutrino uses block filters as opposed to obviously downloading the full Block Chain on your phone and the black filters are literally I think it's like 20 Meg's or something in total right now and I can't remember off the top of my head, but it's something like that and so the LSPs are providing all of these available routes and I just have the one connection to Breeze. Well, unless of course, I'm I set up my custom to my own note. Something like that, but that's actually we talked about in the bit refill episode about trampoline payments where if your device is having a hard time keeping the entire index of the lightning Network that you can actually reach out and requests for your LSP. This gives up privacy, by the way. So this would this would be the LSP wouldn't let you or you be letting the LSP know who you were sending the payment to whereas in the other instance where you're just in a normal payment really Breeze has no idea of even if I'm paying another Breeze user on if I'm just doing it through a basic lightning Channel. I'm Excuse me a basic lightning invoice. I'm not using trampoline payments or anything out of the ordinary Breeze really doesn't know that I'm paying them. The only way they would know that if it is if that person had no other channel, but at the same time they could also have a private channel so they don't really know they can just kind of guess that's another beautiful thing. Lightning is it's everything is private. Even your LSP doesn't really know what's going on. But the trampoline payments what that's about is to all flowed to your LSP or to some other computer that may have a lot more computational power and obviously with what they talked about in this article that you can pick your own node. Well, I can use my computer at home which might be a beast as opposed to my cell phone to Route payments for me so I can can just joking just offload the difficult computational work and the need for a lots of ram once in my home desktop computer. And that's another that's another amazing thing about this technology is that you can just it's just open like I can connect and do I have free rein and free control over my keys over who I connect to and the and there is this this Market need for liquidity routes. No payments for Reliable connections into the lightning Network and there is just this perfect slot for LS piece to fit right in and that's the last part of the last piece of the puzzle is reliability at the end of this you need a reliable connection into the lightning Network and you know Hardware on some some random person's desktop computer is often not reliable. It's not always on. Sometimes they have to shut down the computer. I just had to I've had to break up this audio into three different days. We roll two different days worth of recording with a gap in between because I've completely had to redo my operating system. I'm going to from where I started this episode. I'm actually on a completely different operating system completely different partition on my computer so I know exactly what it's like to have unreliable computers or unreliable hardware and that's an incredibly important part of the Bitcoin Network or excuse me. The lightning network is you need to Have they need to be online? So again a perfect case for a service and even more so a service whose node is always by default charging a fee for the route and right now obviously it's small the default is like one Satoshi if I'm not mistaken, but there are a number of nodes out there. Y'all's dot-org lightning power users then actually charge. Real fees because they want to be able to bring in a little bit of capital from their reliable channels that allow them to rebalance and create more liquidity and splice in and splice out and Loop in transactions and all this stuff without losing money on the fees. They want to get back the fees and it's just as important to establish fees on the lightning Network as it is to establish fees on the Bitcoin Network. It can't be free liquidity isn't free Capital Access is not free. There has to be a fee for it. And the more actual the more actual cost not necessarily a big cost. But real cost in the sense that maybe it'd cost a tenth of a cent or a hundredth of a cent even really enough that it makes a difference when you do it a million times. That's how you protect the market from spam. That's how you protect a no. Open network from flooding the network from screwing up liquidity as an attack Vector. Like if somebody can rebalance and incite me think about it a a competing business or a competing LSP could connect to their competition connect connect to a different LSP that they wanted to screw up. And essentially if they weren't charging if that second LSP was not charging rates or fees. To the liquidity that's available where you know, maybe if you're routing 20 cent, you don't charge a fee at all because that's not really important. But if you're routing $100 through who you need to, you know, you need to pay me ten Cent for this transaction because that's going to fill out some sort of a channel. And I'm going to have to rebalance or you know do a circular transaction to get my liquidity back even but this this malicious LSP that we're talking about in this instance could specifically go through and try to unbalance all of the other LSPs funds and if they that other LSP didn't charge a proper fee to fix and rebalance. Well, then they got they let themselves get screwed. They open themselves to an attack vector. But anyway, that's just a couple of reasons why I think it's important and we start establishing fees in the lightning Network albeit small, but at least enough to kind of protect against a DDOS attack or something like that, but let's get to the centralization quote-unquote issue because this is a and I talked about this in my answering the lightning thud article. I don't know is a while ago. But in fact, I think it was like episode 50 or something like that. So it was over a year ago. Now if I'm not mistaken and I did talk about this but actually wanted to hit it again and he brings it up. It's like, okay. Well, you know now we're just connecting two hubs and hubs are connecting to each other isn't this centralized isn't this a problem can't they censor or try to track your payments and stuff like that aren't all the problems with using an ASP and in fact just like that using the ISP example is that we would consider I think most people would consider isps heavily centralized and at the same time as being centralized or because they are centralized their single point of failure on spying what you're doing on the internet controlling what you're doing on the internet like they the Whole Net Neutrality thing was over throttling. Traffic to Netflix specifically mean what if they you know, what if the LSP charges a very specific, you know charges much higher fee to routes and Netflix, you know, like when you've got some some situation if we're talking about an analogous situation, I don't think I think that's ridiculous. But let's go with the analogy here first and then so they're going to spy they can censor or control exactly what your traffic is to certain areas. And and of course in the Context of sintering they can just shut down your ability to transact in technically an LSP. If you're connected to them could do the very last one. They could shut down your ability to transact but they literally couldn't do anything else. None of the other stuff is possible. And the only thing they can do with the last one takes one Bitcoin transaction to as a solution like the solution is very quick and any LSP that did this would be absolutely complete. Committing suicide as a service provider in this network. Why because isps get away with it because you don't have any other options. So in my complete complete honesty and really trying to see if lightning has some sort of a centralization issue is this there's just no meaningful concern here whatsoever. And I think the best way to express that or to explain that is by comparing it to what if isps worked like the In network would it be an improvement or would it be basically the same thing and the biggest and most obvious the biggest and most obvious reason why it's not centralized is that there is no Geographic limitation whatsoever. It is a truly Global open frictionless Financial Marketplace. There is no limit like when I'm if I have a problem with Time Warner or Spectrum or whoever it is. Is in my area. I've got them and like AT&T. That's it. Those are my only two options as an ISP my quote unquote only options for an LSP is any LSP in the entire world? So why if a more reliable doesn't sensor LSP is in South Korea would I use one that is geographically near me that was censoring which again is stupid. It doesn't make any sense because they would have to know where the final destination of every payment is. They have to change their own implementation of the protocol. It really doesn't make any sense. But even though I think it's ridiculous, let's assume that this is true that it makes any sense whatsoever for an LSP to attempt to censor transactions. Why would I use that LSP? Why would I ever and choose one that specifically when what was my what was my limitation? Why would I be forced to use one? Is there a reason I Can't download a different piece of software. Is there reason I can't open a Channel with anyone else imagine right now, if instead of being stuck with your two or three ISP options, you could sign up for literally any internet service on the planet you could you could use some, you know, Mobile Cellular 300 megabit Connection in Hong Kong some broadband connection in Estonia the Google satellite internet service fiber line in Kapoor and you could do this. You could just have any of these internet options available to you without going anywhere and no matter who you connected to or where they were your connection is entirely encrypted and private. There's no there's no like I don't need a VPN here. No one can spy on what's happening outside of our direct channels and it is onion routed by default. It is as soon as you send a payment that isn't directly To the LSP or analogously is soon as you go to a website that isn't it isn't the actual iasb's website like as soon as I'm not going straight to my ISP Spectrum or whoever it is and I'm going somewhere else on the Internet. It's it's invisible to them. You don't need a VPN or some exit node that you have to worry about when the entire internet is tour. That is what lightning is the entire. I work is onion routed. It's a giant Financial Tor Network and there's not even a clear net alternative to it. That's the other big thing is there's no there's no like I'm trying to get privacy but I got to do something fancy. There's no clear net lightning Network. It's just all tort or is the only internet out there again, if you even if you're using your local geographically limited is p not really a big concern if everything you're doing is overt or do you don't really have that much to worry about and yes, they can see that. Okay, you went to the next server because they bounce as how the onion routing works. It only lets them see the very next location and then the next layers the layers further out from there. They can't see and even if the next one is the destination that next server they don't know that they cannot know that for sure. They don't know if there are other private connections. They don't know just in LA. They don't know if there are other private channels they have and it looks the same whether there is nine more hops in the channel or if there's nothing at all if that's the Final Destination and then back to the ISP example. Imagine. There's no restriction whatsoever in who that internet provider is again anywhere in the world and no one can trap you in a contract. That's the thing. He talks about these service level agreements with LSPs. It's a Brilliant way to create consumer confidence in signing up for this node that we promised 99 point, you know nine percent uptime for the month. So your payments will always get routed and for any payment under $100 or something like that. There will always be a route available anything over that, you know, we have options like it's great to actually have a service level agreement so that you can rely on these nodes. I mean if again If I'm just a random note on the network and you just want to connect to me, I could completely change my setup if like I don't have to come to you like I'm just connecting randomly into the network. There's no reason for me to have to like email you and be like by the way. My server is going to go down for a minute. Like I'm just going to change my computer. So we don't have an agreement between us and I think it makes sense that there would be for something you're relying on for routing payments for moving payments through its great, but understand that agreement cannot Trap you in a contract. It can't trap you into using that LSP. It's just for confidence in saying you can trust me you can you can rely on me for your connection into the lightning Network. That's all that agreement is. They have zero way to keep to prevent you from closing your Channel at any time that you want. So it's like having an Internet contract that literally just this minute I could just be like I'm so sick of this internet company and I just hit. Exit I just hit closed Channel and it's done. I'd no longer have their internet service. And again, I can connect to any internet service in the world after that. The user always retains the ability to just peace out with their money did if there was any reason to distrust or be concerned with the LSP. That was chosen. I'm out and in that in the market itself. Every Market barrier every Market barriers. Your competition is basically gone. There's no there. No National borders. There's no regulatory barriers. There's no pricing barriers. There's no language barrier. It's all just part of the protocol. There's no Geographic barriers none. They're just gone. Imagine if you could just have that with isps. And best of all because the user never loses the ability to loses their final say it perfectly aligns the incentives the LSP has no substantial. No relevant control whatsoever other than delaying the user. That is the most bad that they can essentially do. So a bad LSP that does not serve the user is discarded in no time at all. The Barrier to destroying or the barrier to bad economic behavior being punished is so low that it makes no sense for a bad actor to ever arise for any length of time in that it's literally like an internet where there are no contracts and the time it takes to end a relationship with an ISP is about a 10-minute confirmation. So if that's the new world of isps of Internet service provision of providing that service with this be a negative or a positive development for the decentralization of the internet because that's essentially the those are the ins and outs of a quote-unquote lightning service provider in the context of is it centralized know? No, and I think any assumption that it is or would be for any reason is really kind of dumb but mostly due to a complete and utter lack of imagination, which I said before is probably on purpose. It's that willful ignorance where it's just I don't want to think about it and I don't want to imagine it as being better because it's really comfortable for me to hate it and think it's stupid and never going to work and what's funny is we can actually take this like once Further like there's a new curveball in the Brilliance of the LSP that they actually talk about. Is that even if one LSP can cause these problems well, guess what? You can connect to five LSPs at once and you can choose whichever one you want to use at any particular time. So if one fails to route a payment, we'll just use a different one and you don't even have to that's a situation where you can close the contract and just not even think about it because you already connected to Multiple, so it's like having the you know, five companies that can give you a customer support and you just hang up on the one that's being shitty or not answering your question. So it's and you just have you know, four people on the phone at all times trying to help you sort out your issue and so not only is it not centralized in just the general sense but there's not even any reason why you would only have to pick one you could have as many as you want you could have just like breeze how they have 70 channels. Open with all these different areas and stuff. You could just as easily have 70 yourself. So it doesn't matter. There's there is no centralization in any meaningful sense whatsoever and regardless of if there is centralization in like a number of lightning service providers that do a really good job. It will be specifically and only because they do a really good job and like that's like saying that the market is not decentralized because one company is really successful. That is not what that means at all a market can still have open competition and one person may or one company may still succeed above and beyond all the others and take a lot of the market dominance centralization is about the structure of the market. Now if there's like billions of dollars worth of regulatory overhead to start a company in order to compete with them. Okay? Yeah, that's incredibly centralized because how many people you can you know count on your hand. Many people who have billions of dollars to just throw around like that and also have an interest in that sort of company or something. So that's centralization in Market choice not centralization in Market architecture. It is no less a decentralized network or system just because one company or one node or when server something, you know, whatever is particularly successful in comparison to others. But that's what leads to what I think would be number six on this list is aggregating and I also think because we've got a situation where with LSPs and we're going to get you know, service level agreements possibly and we're going to develop an entire liquidity and routing like Channel management Market because it's very possible that we can see that sort of development. I think it will make a lot of sense to have a decentralized reputation system. And I think that's actually a prime target for an additional lightning service because and that's that's one of the coolest things about that is because lightning is becoming its own Market is becoming its own ecosystem with pricing and liquidity and capital availability all this stuff because of that. It's all of the individual lightning Services all the needs for lightning. Like needing routing and channel management are the best first case for services own lightning. So if there's not a basic very quick and easy protocol level solution or like protocol autopilot, like client solution for the routing problem or for the liquidity problem. Well, make it a service make it a market. That's great. Now we're going to compete for who can do it the best and who can do it. It the most reliably and I think another part of another piece of that puzzle with node reliability and stuff that may not be served on the protocol level. Why not make an application why not make it a decentralized database of reputation systems of a of a reputation system use the public key as the identifier and arguably that's maybe this is what we kind of have coming with Casa and Microsoft's partnership. I'm heard anything else about that, but I think that's going to be a very big important part of this is being able to see a node history. And actually I got a good friend in the crypto economy crew chat. I don't think I want to it's not public yet. I don't believe so, but he's making a website or making a project very around that sort of concept and it looks kind of neat and fun. So this is going to be another prime target for a market with within lightning that will help to build out the infrastructure and the robustness of the network. It makes sense to make sure that your node has been reliable in the past has liquidity available etcetera Etc to connect to and it will flush out all of the crappy nodes. It will get rid of all the routes that are constantly online and offline it will it develop it will develop a heart to the network that incredibly circular well-connected and robust for everyone to tap into and that's just really exciting to see this, you know, intricate spider web being built with all of the and like the opportunity for all of these additional markets to basically round all the corners cross all the t's dot all the eyes to fill in all the little gaps where the lightning protocol works, but it needs Some sort of explicit direction to be reliable to have liquidity available to have channels managed properly to get fees figured out to get a reputation system up and running to get a proper encrypted messaging service up and running to get ways to aggregate the opening and closing of channels as again why I think LSPs will be prime targets for that. If you've got a lot of people connecting to them sending opening and closing channels. Things need to get rebalanced or looping in and looping out for anybody who doesn't know the loop thing that I've mentioned a couple of times already is when you send a non chain transaction to a sort of insured controlled swap with just a random. No doubt on the network that's locked to your key. So essentially you can't have there's there's no risk. You don't have to trust anybody so it doesn't really matter who you use it either works or it doesn't you never have to really worried about losing money, but it's called an atomic swap or a submarine Swap. And so the loop in and loop out is when you send a known chain transaction in order to get balance only lightning Channel or the reverse you Loop out by sending lightning forward and then getting a known chain transaction back. So those sorts of things will be happening a lot when we're talking about routing and channel management and LSPs are the perfect place to for a Fee aggregate a lot of transactions to save money especially for those initial, you know, maybe refilling your channel balance or something but aggregating them from all sort all of their users all at once if you got a million users every 10 minutes might see, you know, 200 channels get looped in or looped out at once. So what why not for the money that you've already got in channels connected to them charge a 10 cent fee per And then take a huge cost and or a data savings by aggregating all of these at once and then dropping out, you know, all of the return to refilled balances through their lightning Network again another simple service that I think there are a prime target to actually fulfill a the market need for since we're going to talk about lightning tomorrow. Probably. I don't know now that I'm on a completely different set. And I'm gonna have to figure out how to get a new editing situation going on here. I am back on I was an audio my main software but there are still a couple of pieces of the puzzle that on my new setup here. I have not sorted out yet. So I still don't even have internet on this computer. So I'm having to I'm gonna have to transfer stuff over and probably upload this with my iPad, but we'll go ahead and just close this episode here. Hopefully, hopefully we'll have a guys. Episode tomorrow that was the original plan, but I'm already two days behind on figuring out all this stuff because of this, you know computer taking a dump on me here. So I thank you too Roy Seinfeld for letting me read this article and for writing the article and always to for the breeze wallet. I've been relying on them a lot and no I'm not getting paid for this. I'm not No, I talked about them have talked about them a lot on the show. This is not an advertisement. I just really love the wallet. 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With another great piece from the Breez-Tech CEO we read and explore the fascinating concept of the Lightning Service Providers. What is their role? How will the market develop? Doesn't this mean Lightning is centralized? All this and so much more in a great piece from Roy Sheinfeld. Don't forget to drop applause on the original article, catch our interview with the author, & check out the awesome Breez Lightning Wallet at the links below: • Introducing Lightning Service Providers (medium article) https://medium.com/breez-technology/introducing-lightning-service-providers-fe9fb1665d5f • CryptoChat with Roy Sheinfeld https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoChat_016---Lightning-is-a-Breez-with-Roy-Sheinfeld-e4j7i3 • Breez Lightning Service https://breez.technology • Other Articles by Roy on the show https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_259---Lightning-at-the-End-of-the-Tunnel-Roy-Sheinfeld-e4a35k • To explore the other amazing tech coming to Lightning https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_248---Bitrefills-Hottest-Lightning-Tech-of-2019-e426ph And because it was that good.

Hi, welcome to BTS podcast. This is your host Lynn a cook on this particular episode BTS podcast. I am digging into the request made by comedian Jessica Michelle Singleton on episode 3 of the podcast. So if you're familiar with the podcast, you know that at the end of every conversation with a guest I asked them what they would like to hear a future episode on Jessica Michelle Singleton called out the idea of hearing an episode on Funeral Home directors and or assisted suicide.This particular episode is with funeral home director Amy Cunningham. It just so happened that shortly after Jessica and my conversation. I was reading the New Yorker and came across this really great article by Mallory rice the link to it is in the description of this episode talking to Amy about the workshop. She leads on writing condolence letters and sort of her work in the funeral home space this episode definitely warrants a trigger warning we talk obviously a lot about death, but we also talked about just like very sort of unexpected. Affected deaths that she has to deal with which include murder suicide and infant deaths. Those are really difficult for a lot of people and so I just want to give you a heads-up. You'll hear me T up the question about that and feel free to skip past or stop whatever you need to do, but I just felt that you should know that is discussed in this. I'm really excited to share the conversation that Amy and I have it helped me kind of understand a lot of things that I would have never thought of around when somebody is dying in the hospital or in hospice care. And different reasons about the purposes of funerals and also just a lot I didn't know about mortuary school. So I really enjoyed talking to Amy. She's really amazing. I think it's very exciting to talk to people when they have shifted careers later on in life. She was 54 when she left her career as a journalist to pursue her current career, and I think that's just very inspirational. I think a lot of us myself included sometimes at any age. We all just sort of feel like that's all we're doing with our lives and nothing will ever change and that can be scary. And so talking to somebody who has made large changes in her life and his family supported her in that I think is really great. If you'd like to support this podcast, you can go to Anchor dot f m / BTS podcast and become a monthly contributor. You can feel free to vend Mummy at atlin a - cook your contribution to my caffeine have it is greatly appreciated or use any of the promo codes. I plug a few services that I really enjoy. Include hotel tonight, which is exactly what it sounds like. It is for hotel bookings, and I will say that they have a really great selection at totally reasonable prices. You can use codell cook 6-1 to save on hotel tonight. You can also book a massage using Su the Sous will bring a masseuse to your home, which I love you can use code LZ L RZ at checkout to save on that. Thank you so much for listening. Please do subscribe rate and review if you don't want to subscribe feel free to just write your review with that is deeply deeply appreciated. Thanks and enjoy the episode. Hello, this is gonna cook you are listening to BTS podcast. And if you listen to the episode with Jessica Michelle Singleton, you'll know that when she was asked what she would like to hear a future episode on she brought up Funeral Home directors and it just so happened that within a few months. I was reading the New Yorker and I saw this really beautiful article with Amy Cunningham who has agreed to be on the show. Amy is based out of Brooklyn in New York. She is the You know home director. Oh, I'm reading your title right now. Can you actually explain your exact title? Let's start our hi thank you for having me on lynnae. I am a funeral director in New York City and I'm also a funeral home owner. The name of my firm is fitting tribute funeral services, and I specialize in eco-friendly burials cremations at our historic Cemetery, which has a We Natori within it Greenwood in Brooklyn and also home funerals where deceased people are laid out in a position of Honor in their home after their death in the old-fashioned way like an Irish wake interesting. Yeah. I have heard my grandmother's from Colombia and we have discussed when relatives have passed when she was growing up and I guess I guess A reason that I didn't find it particularly odd, but now that you're saying that I'm going like oh, yeah, we would never because I sort of associated it with like oh that was the old way of doing it. And now I'm like I could I just also can't imagine doing that in a modern home and more. So what that is like for attendees, but that is fast more in an apartment in New York City right through that quite quite something its ambitious but also in Incredibly beautiful and I would I grew up a rather Prim Presbyterian with mostly closed caskets. So when I started getting my trainings in the home funeral, I was astonished at what people can do but I've through experience now come to realize my God it's incredible if someone is dying in the care of hospice in an apartment or a home and then when they die there really is no emergency or rush to Lurch for the telephone and have Funeral Directors come and whisk your loved one away that you can light candles tell stories bathe the body shroud or do all kinds of very beautiful things express your love and gratitude in a relaxed way in the setting where you're most comfortable so young funerals are awesome, and it's always a real privilege to help people have them That's beautiful. Yeah that M and we can get into this later. But one thing that I am definitely interested in talking to you about because one thing I find what's fascinating is like on a cultural level of we look at Society over, you know decades and centuries I would venture to say that right now at this point in time. The general public is more removed from Death than ever and so it's just interesting to me because I think you know historically if you look at MO. Is there was a specific person with a function similar to yours in helping someone bring helping bring people into the Afterlife and and manage sort of those Logistics and rituals and what have you at the same time families were also very involved. And so I think now we've sort of we've removed ourselves from just like these very communal things and I you know death is one of them food is other one of them like we don't know where our food comes from or how it gets made into bread. Like if you ask most people how Bread is made no idea right? Our trash is another one like there's all these things that are actual needs that have been so commoditized that we then are very strict of like an understanding of how it works. I think old-fashioned Funeral Directors felt that they should spare the family any sadness or trauma and in essence they were Charging a price for taking the funeral away from you out of kindness. I really don't think it was Sinister but a lot of the old male Funeral Directors wanted to spare family's experiences and they're astonished to find today that know the baby. Boom generation wants to see more do more experience more grieve more and they want death to be less of a cool event and more of a communal experience. Just as you said to bring it back into the family's control and they're entitled to that and I would argue that it helps their bereavement process and that the year following the death of might have memories that are very positive about the death itself and how it was managed and people might heal quite a bit better after experiences that they That they control themselves to some degree. Absolutely. Yeah, I think I've noticed that a generational difference in communication. Like my the way that my grandparents were communicated to by their parents and then thus my parents by their parents and I think one thing that's I don't know if you know who Ali Wentworth is the comedian, but she does a lot of work around depression and suicide awareness and stuff like that and She talks about how she asked her parents like did does depression run in the family? You know, I didn't presumably because she was dealing with this right and her parents were like no. No not at all ha ha and she didn't Alden my grandparents kill themselves and then they died of natural causes. It's like well, yeah, I mean, I guess that is an actress natural causes but then any form of death is a natural cause and like there was this really big disconnect. Like I know I've just seen Ways that like, you know, my parents have been damaged by like a relative passing and then just no one really saying anything and that person just wasn't at the next reunions and people just didn't want to talk about it, you know, or they just pretended that person didn't exist hadn't existed and and just the emotional toll that that's taken on the siblings of that person and and the cousins and whoever because it really yeah it yeah people need something to hold on to its not sparing anybody exact. It's not a Not an emotional gift that you're giving Somebody by letting them it's really cool. You're bringing that up because I feel like radical honesty has a very powerful role at the end of life and we're seeing everyone engage in more honest conversation even in the funeral ceremony itself in the eulogies. People are talking about mental illness and alcoholism very publicly while and openly and wanting to are To as part of their healing process to say this was the cause of death. We're Reckoning with it. We're seeking to understand it. Sometimes suicides are presented as you know, not certainly not a choice but a an example of mental illness stealing someone's life from them. Yeah, and that comes up at the podium in the funeral service itself, and it's very healthy, I think. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. So we have we have some questions to dig into. Yeah. Yeah, and I think what I'm going to do is I'm sort of going to so Amy is one of the few guests that I have discussed questions with ahead of time and I'm really grateful for that because also she added some questions. I would have not known to ask and if you hear clicking around it's because I'm dog sitting right now and I have hardwood floors and this very cute Samoa. Is a curious puppy and probably sad to be missing out of the conversation. So everybody in the talk. Oh, well, thank you. That's very generous. So let's kind of do this a little bit chronologically to start with so you are a writer and you left magazine and online journalism to be a funeral director at 54 and you thought that you wouldn't write for a while. What caused you to launch your blog The Inspired funeral.com in 20? 11 I was in mortuary school learning so much and astonished by what American consumers didn't know that while I thought I wasn't going to write any more or certainly I was looking forward to a break when I really started delving into my education. And what's happening in the funeral today. I felt like holy cow. I was just got to go to the computer and Right blogging about all this because each little story seemed so significant each new kind of casket. I had I was just awakened by daily epiphanies and it felt to me that news stories were out in the streets. And all I had to do is pick them up and so my little blog that quickly noticed and then I realized well, you know, this is It's a good lesson for all of us to tell any young person that if you can write you can kind of catapult yourself into a position of leadership within any field. So that's pretty much what happened and my little blog was quickly a success and every day. I find new stories to tell from bits of funeral music to advise on products to new ways of managing. Ceremony and ceremony structure. So there's a lot to the funeral and I have always been a lover of Rites of Passage. I took my own wedding vows very seriously. My husband's Jewish. I was as I said sort of a progressive Chris check sometimes call myself a Kundalini practicing Buddhist Presbyterian and at the time I started mortuary school. I was also on the board of of our synagogue. So I have a lot of a lot of range in the American religious scene and the spiritual Marketplace and the a lot of people are secular today to or mixing it up. So with that kind of background, I thought I was blogging about Buddhist Meditation and yoga and things like that at the end of my magazine. And internet writing phase of life. So when I got into mortuary school, it wasn't a huge surprise to my closest friends or my husband that funeral service would be a big interest and then an incredible passion. That's beautiful. And what what I love about that is like the sort of steam that you've lost and you were like, well I'm done with that chapter and then really, you know, I think any time you have new stimulation and just new sort of input like the way that I break up my time because I I do freelance work and and Consulting and stuff and so I had needed to bring some structure to my life and shifting gears every day was not the way to do it like Just couldn't go well I'll just do an hour of music and then I'll do you know, two hours of podcasting stuff and then I'll switch gears and write my newsletter. Like it just doesn't work that way. And so what I do is I have input days and output days. It's all right, and I scheduled time or it's like, okay this day is a day where i'm just reading and listening to other podcasts on my run and maybe running some errands and listening to podcast and doing research and then the output day I kind of digest all of that and figure out how to apply it. To what I'm working on but yeah, that is fascinating. What do you mind sharing? What causes you to leave journalism and go into what you're doing now. Yeah, it was really my there's the Deep answer and then there's kind of a superficial answer. The the precipitating event was my 94 year-old father's death in the care of hospice and 2009 down in South Carolina where we worked with the very Southern funeral director that Anybody down there knew and trusted and you know, Southern towns still have kind of a funeral protocol in place that's old fashioned and nice. So we had a very positive experience actually embellishing my father's funeral plan and making the end of life Memorial event even nicer than he ever would have imagined. No, I came back to Brooklyn and said to my husband damn, you know, I'm really sad dad is dead, but we truly aced that funeral. We really did a great job on that. We hit it out of the park. I wonder what it would be like to help other people manage end of life events and Inspire them to have a funeral that terrific the deeper cause is that when I really look at my life and even look at my magazine articles, there's a line of grief running through them some of it though. I wasn't even present. Two because my father's two brothers died in World War Two their pictures were on the wall as I was growing up and then an infant boy a son a brother died at the age of 13 months the year prior to my birth parents were grieving when I came into the household and yeah, that's the Deep reason. I think I know something just it's in my body I grew up around. A lot of loss. And yeah, I think I in my own funny way as well even as a little girl. I was lifting people up for trying to inspire them to get back into life again. Not that I try to make my funerals happy. I try to make my the funerals I help people with transformational and some small or even larger way and help people recognize their own resilience and ability to cope. Is unbearable loss sometimes and that's what I'm devoted to now and it all makes sense. Another just a little side note in the side that is nice for any of your listeners who are struggling right now in their own lives in their careers in their 20s 30s or 40s the when I got into mortuary school, I was 54. My kids were in high school. I was happily married, but it Felt to me like all of a sudden my whole life made sense and that everything that I'd previously considered a failure was coming back to nourish me. And so that was neat. And that's the great thing. Anyone has to look forward to in their 50s and 60s. I'm 64 now and there's a magnificent connection to understanding myself and I feel like I finally hit the road and I'm on it. And it's very fulfilling and exciting time that is definitely very encouraging out of curiosity. Could you have a talk with your kids and I'm presumably you how to talk with your husband before that. But then how did you present this shift in career to your Gap? They were excited and guarded and I think they had already seen me as an individual who is I don't know. I think my kids sometimes find me a bit of a A kook maybe you're an outlier. Are you going to send them this episode we have to yeah. Yeah, they're a very impressed that I have a life on social media and followers and such but my husband was incredibly kind and supportive but he did sit me down before mortuary school started in a bit of a condescending way and said look, I just want to make Sure, you're really serious. You know that this isn't a stiffening or going to try and then reject so that talk actually those productive and helpful to me and I was truly committed then I said yes, I want to do this. I want to move forward. This is it. He didn't he didn't have like I'm just imagining a parody of Beauty School Dropout. Yeah, that is fascinating to me. And I'm sure your kids are impressed. Like I would be yeah, I'm already so proud of my mom for like going out and working after nearly 30 years of not having a job and if she found her stride and especially like was good. If there was a New Yorker article that my mom was like quoted or mentioned, I would lose my mind. I would blow it up and spray it in my house. It would be wheat paste into a wall. Yeah, all that's happened. It's been very good. That's amazing. So, um, okay, so then let's talk a little bit about mortuary school. How hard is it? And did it prepare you properly for doing what you're doing. Now, what you re school is surprisingly tough and in the most bizarre way. It's basically test prep. Pardon me. It requires a lot of rote memorization and I was an English major and someone who'd never been asked to memorize much at all. And that was surprising to me and an incredible brain drain. I was taking supplements to you know be able to remember things. You have to memorize and know every part of the body. bone every muscle the emphasis is on embalming training which I feel is a little less necessary today than it once was I'm happy to have studied it but I was astonished at the emphasis on embalming and then there are some fascinating exciting Parts, but they don't go very deep the history of Funeral Service the history of various religious traditions and the funeral You know how you walk a casket down the church aisle in a Roman Catholic mass. You have to really know and master all those things. So I met some great friends. I was not the oldest to start in my class, but I was the oldest to finish and graduate and I was hanging out with kids in their 20s telling them not to drink so much and I think I even got a little award graduation for being the person who Sort of inspired the class. So that was sweet and it's kind of a necessary thing. But boy if I could only I would love to read be a voice in rethinking Mortuary training. I've been told that the systems so kind of goofed up that it's almost Beyond any healing. It's just something that everyone has to get in order to get to their residency some states. It's more difficult than others. I'm in New York, which is a very difficult system and the but we're all there's just too much to say about it when a in short it's frustrating, but and it's also expensive mortuary school. Can be 24,000 dollars today, I get a lot of letters from young women wanting to know if they should go through it and it's a mixed bag because you're not guaranteed work at the end and sometimes your mortuary school won't even help you very much to find a job afterwards and the residency requirements are tough. You work a long day and often for not very much money that people with young children. Or any kind of drama in the background of their lives really struggle in mortuary school. It is surprising at how much you have to stay on task and very focused. So I don't mean to discourage anyone but you really have to want to be a funeral director to become one I found Well, it sounds a little bit almost like medical school. You know that it's very taxing. It definitely is not if or if you have other things going on in your life and like the financial burden as well as what the type of money you're making afterwards, you know, it sounds it's like it's another part of the education system, especially in higher education. That is Overpriced not Preparing People properly and and really not taking into consideration of it is dumb. It's a yeah, they were a couple of times when the teacher would say, here's the way the board exam wants you to answer this question, but here's actually the right way to do it in embalming and I it's a it's it's own show to talk about Mortuary education, but but I think I hope that will be modernized and updated and that they'll be more about the emotional lives of the people you're serving and more help to yeah, it makes me wonder if similar to the Health Care industry and other Industries. If as as it becomes more common sort of do things on your own and perhaps mortuary school start to feel the financial sort of pain of that of you know. I think as it affects the industry, like I know it used to be that getting a master's was like, you know, you had to be accepted it was this whole thing. And now I'm getting advertisements from all of these like prestigious universities encouraging me to apply and saying I need not take the GRE or like whatever it is that you're supposed to take and I'm I'm going like yeah because you know, I don't actually need a master's like we're past that point now where to be taken seriously in most Industries you Need that higher education, but I imagine that Mortuary schools will be impacted as people start to take things into their own hands and people just go like oh, yeah, maybe I don't need that certification to figure this out or you know money will always eventually change things. Unfortunately. It's not done on the on a moral basis, which kills me. Right? Right. The mortuary school is frustrating and You do do things like put pancake makeup on each other's faces, you model years and and noses out of wax for reconstructive work. If you have someone who's died of a traumatic injury related to an automobile accident while so they're definitely interesting experiences and but again, it just was a frustration. As much as anything else and almost like a hazing sometimes in terms of the difficulty the number of hours you have to put in and how hard you have to focus to pass the tests. Do you have every Most states have a national board and then a state law test and again, I'm not knocking it but it does need to be adapted and updated for sure the whole the whole system. And I hope it is it's just hitting me. The only one I started going to the conference's of the national home funeral Alliance and other Home funerals. Did I really get trained in how to lovingly care for a deceased person how to touch them how to move them. There's all that I had so many realizations about the beauty of the work outside of mortuary school. And that's a bass is it should be you always learn more? Out in real life, but I'm really glad I expose myself to other trainings other sorts of funeral workers or end of Life Care takers and got a really broader scope. I had some savings at the time and that certainly helped me I feel for anyone trying to raise a family and manage Mortuary Education costs and then face the job market, which isn't Always welcoming. I'm sure in journalism. You saw like just sort of that male-dominated field and then it's did you find that the mortuary and like the funeral industry in general is more male dominated and that like was there any sort of gender discrimination there or sexism? Well, it was that's a great question and I'm happy to report that there have been significant changes in the eight years. I've been actively working as a funeral director and I used to complain about barriers to Tree when I started because it did feel like women who weren't interested in a lot of embalming work were not welcomed. However, two things that happened young women who are incredibly gifted and incredibly strong are coming into the industry and they can do it all they're not walking and avoiding embalming practicums and they're great embalmers. So they're full Funeral Directors. That are female today impressing the gentleman who have been running the show and then good also women who are a little older maybe not wanting to embalm but interested in ceremony structure and what makes a good funeral. They're becoming funeral directors and celebrants and their magnificent and real used to a needy industry that won't needs to bring ritual back and mixed Faith ceremony, too. Americans who really want a funeral that is personalized and meaningful so women are coming in from all directions and I'm on a Facebook group. It's fantastic. It's called the feature of funeral directing is female and I do believe it. I think women are flooding into the industry and really changing things and impressing the guys who were previously skeptical and that's I've seen changes in the last six years. Years the men welcoming women in realizing. Yep. We need them and their say that is one theme that has come up again and again on this podcast and probably because I've had a lot of women on but but it's been fascinating to have conversations with people across Industries about how women are really shifting conversations and shifting Norms. Brittany Hicks was on and she spoke about that in terms. Of the supply chain in fashion and operations and sourcing and then another girl Jessica was on speaking about that in terms of like cut and fit in fashion and like just how men didn't understand that women would want something like Rent the Runway like there's just these like big gaps and understanding of like well, why would you want that and I and so yeah it is. It is really fascinating to see the way that just different, you know, it's not even like a one is better than the other it's just everyone respecting their own value proposition and what they value and their own priorities did mortuary school prepare you emotionally at all like to how did they were their conversations around sort of the because this is such a it's not just the behind-the-scenes of before the funeral. It's really also so much like in contact with families and people who are experiencing potentially the worst time of their lives. I think the real emotional training Started during my residency after I graduated from mortuary school. I had a year-long residency in a funeral home and I was trained by a man in his 40s who was very kind and appreciative who I was and told me things that were useful but sometimes things I had to grow with and think about because I'm not sure he was right about everything he used to say now don't get close to people don't get It's too close to people because you know cumulatively a funeral director can't live with that kind of pain because you'll carry it with you for the rest of your life. Then it'll damage the way you serve the next family and I guess that is true sometimes after a funeral I find myself getting lost in the grocery store parking lot in my car or realizing that I'm much more heat up and stressed than I had even realized and that the weight of grief that the Family was experiencing has somehow gone on to my shoulders. So all of that to be in a funeral home as a resident. That's the time you kind of get a grip and figure out how to balance your own life and your own emotional needs and your family's needs with the needs of the families. You're helping in your work. There's an easy answer right answer but there is a if you don't So protect yourself a little bit. You can carry a lot of grief with you when you're doing you know, 4270 funerals in a year. I imagine that it's also an ongoing process to that. It's not something that it's like a closed book on like well, I figured out how to manage emotions around my job and funerals now and that's it. I'm sure it's always shifting and changing. Is there anything that you've done for yourself to help you manage? Those emotions better like give yourself time afterwards or have sort of a rule about like a buffer zone in terms of like when you're done with one maybe, you know spend an hour by yourself or meditate or something. It's definitely a good thing to have a yoga practice or a meditation practice or a way of calming yourself daily. Not only between funerals and yoga is very important for me and also so I like Julia Cameron's idea of in the book The artists way he talks about taking yourself out on artists date. So I still think of myself as an artist and and just going to galleries or walking home a different way or walking the dog into a new neighborhood or certainly you got to take vacations. I actually haven't been doing that quite enough. Writing is important and also increasingly I think speaking to other people in funeral service or end-of-life work or even the birth doulas. I know we just the friendships. I've made through the work I now do have been very intense and very fruitful for me to just decompress and talk to other funeral celebrants funeral directors midwives and people in that kind of Of work also psychotherapists. Yeah, all that is good stuff and then writing about it privately and posting what I can online that is helpful to people. That's beautiful. I love that. Yeah, the the community around that I'm sure is really intense, but also such a necessary part for everybody in you know, sort of having an outlet, but then also finding new ways to manage their own thoughts and emotions and If sharing I call them sort of like mental framework, yes that help each other frame things differently and and just sort of because that is a lot of really heavy things that are also not things most people want to talk about right so that most people a little bit allergic. I don't know if I could have done this as a younger woman because you definitely have to be very forgiving of yourself because inevitably when you're meeting with the family, they had a tragic loss at their NG with Kleenex is on the table there crying as you're speaking to them. It's easy. I've had a little psychoanalytic training. I went to a psychoanalytic Institute when I was pregnant in my 30s and then training comes back to be very helpful to me just but you still when you say something to a grieving person and you feel like you didn't quite hit it, right? If you were just a little off it's very easy to be so hard on yourself and get into the car and say oh man that wasn't exactly the right thing that they needed in that moment and yet realize that sometimes they weren't even listening and they didn't hear it other. Yes that even if they did hear it they've already forgiven you because they know that everyone struggles around language for loss. There and so you really have to bathe yourself into in a sort of I'm doing the best I can Ryan be. Okay. No one's judging me truly and and there are other ways you can if you really didn't miss State something you can redeem yourself and other acts of kindness as the experience continues. Absolutely. Yeah, there was one of my closest friends she and I've been friends since the Grade, and so of course I have been close with her family my whole life and her mom passed a few years ago. And I knew her mom wasn't doing well. So I'd actually flown down to go see spend time with my friend and then also see her mother in the hospital because she was like a second, you know, she was like another parent to me growing up and she passed the I think the day I landed and so then when I was going to go see her and add up that I was going to go see my friend and and her grandmother. And they live in a really hot part of California and I was driving out and I went like oh my gosh, I totally forgot to get flowers. So I stopped at like the nearest grocery store and I got flowers and then when I got back to my car the battery had died and I was like maybe a quarter of a mile from her house and it's also sort of like in the middle in the it's like a suburb of a suburb of suburbs. So it's sort of the middle of nowhere like it would take a significant amount of time for this problem to be solved and And I went to call her and then I panicked because I didn't want to say my battery died. What's what's the language to use? Right? And so I call her and I was like, hey, this is really awkward and I don't mean Philippe be a burden on you at all because you're going through this, but I want to let you know and I was down the street because I didn't plan ahead and I was picking up flowers and I got back to the car. And the first thing that popped in my head is like in the battery is no longer with us and I were like that another. Not right here and I had this like self edit and go and the battery is not going to be working on this car anymore. She went to the battery died and I was like, well, I do want to say it but yes, I'm a writer in the funeral business because language comes up over and over in the words you use and the things you don't say what I found as I I just quit did this long ago. I never say I'm sorry for your loss. All I say is a funeral director over and over and it's a refrain when I get nervous I go back to it. I am here for you. I am here for you. Even if you say it five times their processing it and feeling comforted by that. So right I everybody else can is saying I'm sorry for your loss and my condolences. I don't go into that. It seems insincere because they know I'm saying every day but I am here for you is what they want to hear and what they need to know and I think that's useful for everybody comforting and grieving person, you know, and it's more actionable. Yes it let somebody know that like because I'm sorry or my condolences are sort of sort of like when you're talking to somebody you say have a good day the you know that the last person that's the last time you're going to talk to that person that Right, and I'm here for you leaves a little bit more open. Like I'm not closing the door on this subject or this conversation. Yeah, I'm here for you in and like in an indefinite sort of way and now you must be hurting. You know, I'm here and I want to listen. I'm looking forward to knowing more of her story. Oh, that is good. Good. Material good fodder speaking of live in the New Yorker article which I'll link to in the description of this you've mentioned that you teach classes on writing a good condolence letters essentially and I love that because it is something that is it something I put a lot of thought into over the years where can people learn more about those classes because you do a few different workshops and classes that correct and I study historic letters of condolence to figure out which ones were effective and and useful and helpful to the At the end and which ones failed in one way or another but here's the deal on condolence letters. And here's the Comfort there. They're all going to be failures. No condolence letter or almost no condolence letter will perfectly fit the needs of the reader in that moment. But it's the act of writing them no matter what you say. That's the beauty of the practice. So I think condolence letter writing is just a practice and not to get too stressed out about what can I say that will be of comfort just say that you love them and that you're here for them and keep it simple and the act of writing it on a card or a note by hand is beauty enough, you know, give yourself a break just do it. I love that bringing Nike the Nike slogans because it's really true. It works for a lot of things in a lot of different contexts. I couldn't agree with you more so in looking at some of our other questions here. And this is this is something that feels very odd to ask and I don't there's not really a delicate way to ask it. So I'm just going to go ahead and jump into it. But of sort of like the the really difficult things that we deal with in terms of death, you know murder-suicide and and infant loss which is I don't know which is harder. I mean what is like, what is what's your experience in that and how sort of what are the differences? in them Yeah infant loss is mysterious and how difficult it is because one part of your brain might say, oh the little individual didn't have a life to grieve but that is the nature of the grief itself any loss of all opportunity and the nothingness that seems to remain after an infant's death is very sad. Add and complex and hard to recover from so it's like its own study. There's a woman named Amy, right Glenn who actually trains people just on infant walls and That Rocks the house when a baby is at in a funeral home in the back preparation area everyone in the funeral home is kind of Awakened by how sad that is so it really transforms the energy of a whole Funeral Home suicides are more frequent and so tragic and again, like we said earlier sort of a byproduct of mental illness and the times we live in it does seem like more young people or are dying and dying quickly after you know, the the the it's the suicidal ideation moves very fast for some young people. So the parents and family are just adjusting to the fact that an emotional problem exists. And then this is like takes place before they've even been prepared to contemplate that so that's hard to funerals are powerful and magnificent and would hope to that they'd be able to teach everyone else in it attendance. You know how to comfort someone who might be having a hard time. Time and how to encourage them to get help before it gets really bad. That is something that has been I'm so there was a really interesting brief Ted talk with a psychologist or maybe think. He's a psychologist in Zimbabwe who because of the nature of so many rural areas and it's really hard to get around that there was a patient of his who had attempted suicide and then she was hot Alized and they he told the family when she's out of the hospital. Please bring her here so we can talk and then he didn't hear from them. And then I think maybe a week and a half later she tried again and then and did pass away and when he asked the family, why did you bring her here? They said well, we couldn't, you know, it's like a several hour bus ride to where you are in the city and we couldn't afford the bus fare. And so what he's done is he's started training grandmother's on basic therapy skills and what I I find so fascinating because there is the there's that I camera what it's called, but it is a it's really horrible that there is that effect that when you know, someone who has taken their life that you in fact rather than learning a lesson from that and going like oh I saw how badly it affected everybody that in fact has the opposite effect that it makes people more likely to consider that and to do that and they see it especially In Native communities there was a community studied in Alaska that these have like one of the highest suicide rates and it's this. I wish I could remember the word of it, but it isn't an effect and it makes me wonder sometimes if that's you know, and I was going to say young people like people my age because I've lost I was in fact thinking about it yesterday and realize that in the last year. I've lost about a dozen friends. Oh my God. Yeah. And it really and it does make me wonder if it's that effect in play or like what it is exactly because there's also no way that our that our lives are today than they've ever been historically, you know what I mean? Like it just I just I I grapple with that a lot on not just dealing with the emotions in the aftermath of friends and loved ones who have passed away that way but also like What we can do on a societal level to teach people to be more supportive of each other and and find different way. Like I know for myself I've found different ways over the years of whatever it is to like go like. Oh no, this is why you won't do that right like and found reasons of like, okay and just made my own sort of things of like, okay. Well if if like this group of people who ever like are finding a reason to wake up every day, You can too and that's how I've done it for myself, but that's not for everyone. And that's very dark to go make out with people who have a life sentence in prison can find a reason to keep living. So can you get over it? Like that's I'm like a tough love kind of person and that's not for everybody. And so I think we can find ways to help people help each other and help themselves because I think right now a lot of it is just like like calling a hotline clearly is not helping, you know like that being the path of When people call this hotline that is not that's not catching it early enough for people to not consider that so have you seen because you've been doing this you said I think for eight years now, is that accurate? So you have seen then it sounds like the frequency for young people doing this. Well, it does seem sometimes that suicide is contagious. Well the message that there's help for the suicidal is part of the funeral. Neural today and there's literature on suicide as part of the funeral program or you know messages from the family at the funeral service or the memorial event. You know that this is not okay. You know, where where are we are devastated by this death. There's nothing admirable about it, even though it makes them uncomfortable because you don't want to shame the dead person. But at the same time, I don't want to glamorize the The Gone Too Soon metaphor or the idea of tragedy is Chic. So it's complex and a really important reason why funerals exist. I think, you know, some people today can't go funerals are expensive. They're not that important or my grandfather wasn't religious. So we're not going to have a funeral but funerals are opportunities for everyone in attendance even people who didn't know. The deceased that well to walk out with a new way of being our new way of seeing their Destiny in their own calling in life. Yeah, and in my experience also the really good way to sort of you kind of find comfort when you're there comforting other people and being comforted by other loved ones. And and in that way I go back and forth when it comes to death on how I That social media because I think you know my grandmother who I'm very close with she thinks she'll be 89 this year and when she talks about ex-boyfriends and friends and such she can in her mind if she doesn't hasn't heard otherwise imagine that they're alive and well and doing whatever in ready mean, I think at this point in her life, she's starting to go. Well, who knows where they're at, you know, but with social media, I'm faced all that like I'm not not able to go. Oh, well, I'm sure you know my friend Julio from seventh grade. I'm sure he's doing great because I know that that's not true, you know, and at the same time though, I've found that mutual friends of friends that have passed in the past couple of years that we've connected and formed new friendships and then become actual friends because I've seen that they've posted something and maybe I've heard a good story about them and then I reached out just to go. Hey, you know so-and-so spoke. Highly of you and I just want you to know that and I saw that you're planning something for their services. Like let me know how I can help or like, you know, you're closer to the family. Is there anything like I can't fly out for that, you know, unfortunately, so like what can I do to be supportive to the family since you know, you're in that and I've created bonds. I think it can be really helpful in connecting people and not feeling so alone in there. The only thing yeah, because I remember the first time I lost somebody Buddy, that was like very very close to me. I remember looking around going like what are all you people just having normal days for don't you know that the world is crumbling. Right? Right. And so when you can see in social media posts that other people are dealing with this it does help and one of the things I loved what you quoted somebody in in that mirror article where you talked about grieving as a process and it's not something maybe this is what maybe this next. Wasn't in that article, but it's something that I've talked to someone about since that. It's your always grieving you just you know, it's sort of like the emotional toll on a daily basis is lessened, but I love that you quoted somebody saying that there is a grieving process and that they would write letters, you know, intermittently after someone's debt to reach out and go, you know, it's still on my mind, which I know what you're thinking of is that the poet Emily Dickinson in the 1870s and 80s. I think she died. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think she died in 1886. Anyway, she was a great and gifted condolence letter writer and a lot of her poetry is about death and loss but she would write a condolence letters in a sequence because she was so intimately familiar with the fact that this isn't a one-time grieving and a way of saying hello. I'm connecting with you. This is a practice and a way of continuing connection. And extending a loving hand through correspondence. So yes and the right L people who had a loss and this is relevant. Even if you can't make it to the funeral that the relationship will continue and you can write that deceased person and then burn the letter and send it up or come up with your own ritual to continue our conversations and Express gratitude for their having lived as long as they did doing the Best job that they could and whatever time was allowed and I think I have an ancestor wall in my own home here in Brooklyn right by the front door of the house is there we're just very blessed to have a lot of family photographs and many of them quite old. So I have my great-grandparents and everyone after that on the wall there. I feel like they root for me and I think Our dead are available to us. And basically I like to think of them as cheering us on and yeah to keep the conversations going and it's very rewarding to live that way and I think the beauty of the Day of the Dead in Mexico is something so relevant to us today and pattern that we can have with altars of our loved ones in our homes. And just thanking them for what they taught us over and over and having conversations with them. It's great. It's all good and it be the truth value of whether or not the soul exists. I happen to feel strongly that The Souls of the Dead are around us and available not everyone feels that way and the truth value of the souls existence is irrelevant to me because just knocked That's good enough. I don't I don't I don't really I happen to feel better there. But if you keep if you're not sure go ahead and try it and see what happens. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on that. Have you have you ever had any experiences that cause you to feel like they do exist. Like is there anything specific you can point to that it makes you go? Yeah, that's I mean have you ever felt comforted by it for months after my own mother's death. I just tuned in to her and her voice came to me so quickly and she said You wouldn't believe how hard they have us working here. And that's just kind of chuckle when she said that but then my brain said to me, oh, you just made that up and then another part of my intelligence spoke and said, I don't think so that sounded really a lot like her and I didn't cognitively have the thought to put those words together. You wouldn't believe how hard they have us working here. And then I said, wow, that's sort of abide by the wonderful Albert Brooks. Looks movie Defending Your Life which I'd recommend to anybody which haven't presented as a place you work out stuff from your past life and get ready for the next one. So I didn't have that plot line in my brain and I love that particular movie. But when my mother said that to me it felt real so who knows I'm content to live with the mystery. I have had brief conversations with some of the people whose funerals I've aged one woman was disappointed in the way. She was dressed for her funeral and in the casket, so I don't know what to make of that but she wasn't mad at me, but she we did sort of discuss it it's the experiences are few and far between and I don't talk about them very much because some people would find me silly, but I'm certainly open to that kind of communication than fascinated and We my own end-of-life plans include conversations with my two sons about here's where to look for me or be aware of. Well, you know, let's try to communicate or see what happens that would make me happy to be dying and to have you having those kinds of conversations with those I was leaving behind. I would venture to say that it's not silly especially seeing as it's something that people have been discussing since like the going back time. Where are they? Well, not only where are they but like people across, you know, eras and around the world have felt Souls of the dead and I I mean, so I don't think it's silly at all. You know, I think it's I think bulk of your listeners will agree. Let's hope if they disagree they can stop this. Well II I serve a lot of atheists on some of the families I help with their funerals are atheists and say we don't want god mentioned in any way and I always say fine that's totally cool with me. But I do sometimes feel like some people protest too much and just to be open to the mystery of life and the Mystery of death and see what it is when the time comes is good enough. Me and happy three of on in that atmosphere. It's interesting. So my my father's atheist and or perhaps agnostic. I'm not sure but he was very adamant about like no talks of God at my grandfather's funeral and then he went up and brought up the idea of the Invisible Hand and my my mom and my other dad and I were all kind of like, huh? So thanks, but um, yeah, it's I have I have a very similar about everything after life related where I kind of feel like whatever I believe and whatever any of us are believe doesn't necessarily impact what actually is so like what's the use in me spending all this time and energy focusing on like what might happen after we pass because whatever I decide on or find or whatever whatever actually happens that happens whether II feel a certain way about it or not. Like I can't think an afterlife into existence. So so I'm kind of like well, I'll just do the best I can on here. Well for those who have left religion in organized religion, there's still a religious structure to Rites of Passage that this definitely worth studying and duplicating in some more secular way. I love Jewish funeral. Protocol because everything is mapped out for the whole grieving Year from the burial which is supposed to be rather Hasty and then the Shiva and the seven days of grieving covering the mirrors and all of those beautiful Customs focusing on stories of the loved one and and then you know on into the year anniversary where you unveil the grave marker or the stone. Or they're nice things in the religious rollout that definitely are are worth studying and copying and and creatively mixing Faith traditions and and also liturgy and language. I'm Shameless and editing biblical Psalms and passages it. I don't think God is going to smite me for changing something. To make it work for a particular family. What kind of things do you change even example? I'm so interesting. I wish I had some some. Well a lot of Psalms have references to enemies and more fair. So I just take all that out and are out, you know, increasingly funeral language for burial can be changed. So instead of committing someone to the ground at a burial you're at a cremation you're committing them to the elements. So lots of these things need to be re-written and updated and you can always take the word God and for family that doesn't want god mentioned. You can just replace the word god with love in the arms of love, you know envelop you and all these nice things. I love very in Judaism. They refer to the source of peace. So someone who is not a god person they do In Peace So there must be a source of peace. So I end a lot of my funerals made the source of peace Grant you peace and Grant peace to all who mourn that's a kind of universal benediction and seems to be comforting to a lot of people who hear me say that as we're about to go back to our cars after a service and are ready to have their meal after the service which is always a nice way to Embrace Life return to food. Yeah, it that's that's a very I love that. That's a really beautiful. I think you dropped a few very good tips in there for people, you know, because this is something that not enough people talk about is what makes a good funeral, you know, and how how do you feel to you like what makes a good funeral? I think one surprise is that any kind of procession or movement is something that too frequently were skipping and missing in our funerals because today increasingly people don't want to rent five limousines and follow a hearse and in a Cortes of automobiles when you look at the great state funerals for John McCain. The first George Bush you see a kind of expensive funeral roll out that we don't have day-to-day anymore. But to not skip over some kind of way of parading or persisting or carrying the weight of our loss by being pallbearers for the at the casket some kind of exotic. Darshan and movement is key to a good funeral I think and nobody's thinking about that anymore. Nobody's thinking nobody has paused to think that well, let's carry it. Let's see if the funeral director will let us lift the casket at some point or carry in certainly showing up at the Crematory and witnessing The Cremation makes it cremation the much better funeral service and a committal. To a kind of grave at the faces of the retorts so you can ask your Crematory can we come to the Crematory chapel and be with the casket prior to cremation in some even if it's a closed casket and we have that moment as a family and then acts of Bravery or courage and eulogies I think are super important speaking and then music is huge and healing and it can be music that. His irreverent and fun at the end of the service you might start a good funeral with more Melancholy music. But by the time you depart whatever event whatever venue you should have sort of a slight smile on your face and a feeling of gratitude as you depart and music can really convey a lot of support and emotion. So that's something that too frequently were we're Thinking about and a good funeral director can help you find the right music and with Spotify and Bose speakers, even if you have a chamber orchestra with you wherever you roam so music is real important to the funeral. I think that's very helpful. Yeah, and that it's also good to know what you can ask for because I think this is something that people deal with so rarely. Hopefully, you know that especially when you're the one in charge of planning a funeral that you don't know what you can ask you don't What the options are and you also don't know I think it's really difficult because funerals can be pricey. And so you don't know when you're being recommended something that is beneficial to the emotional management of a funeral and you don't versus when you're being upsold. Yeah for like yeah, you know my real important thing and a lot of your listeners need to know that when a death occurs in a hospital or in a home in the care of hospice, you know, this doesn't apply if your grandfather collapses while watching the football game over a can of beer then you have to call 9-1-1, but if you have a planned death and a hospice supervising the care of that chronically ill person then when death finally arrives you can take a moment not move the body and here's where I think your listeners could come in because I suspect even if they're not in the leadership role. Within the family about what we're going to do from here, you can be strong and advised the rest of the family to do something at the bedside take the flowers that are dying in bases on the windowsill and put them in the deceased hands. You can wrap the deceased in the sheet that is already on the bed, or you can have a simple king or queen sized clean sheet on hand to swaddle them in. You slide it under just as you're changing the bed sheet get it under them and around them and just as we swaddle infants when they're born. We swaddle are dead at the end so that when the funeral directors do arrive to make the transfer you can say, you know, we combed your hair. We anointed her with oil. We put her favorite perfume on you know, whatever is your custom we wrapped her in a beautiful piece of fabric. She's done, you know, we'll meet you at the Crematory or wherever the Station is from there. And that's very cool. And a lot of families tend to minimize that moment like oh it's happened. Don't touch her. Let's go. Let's call the funeral director and get get her out. Send many families have been there the whole way and they're ready for that separation, but still Have a cup of tea take a breath light a candle get the oxygen oxygen machine this engaged and you know have a have your moment almost like you're in. You know, the Alcott book Little Women go back to the 1800s and sit there and Savor the moment because you don't have moments like this every day. Yeah, thank you for that. That is I think that's really helpful. Yeah, because I Never it would never end. I think that those there are some just sort of moments in life whether whether they be as sort of. You know book ND as as a death or a birth, but also in between moments where I've definitely reflected and gone like well, how come I didn't have my didn't take more time with that? How come when that when I knew somebody was going through something. I didn't take more time to let them speak or hug them longer or whatever it is and it is something that I think those more those moments. We were you feel really vulnerable now. No her emotionally heavy. Sometimes it's really easy to sort of panic and recoil for. Yep. That's the only think of as like you panic and sort of go like well, maybe I'm being too much. Right right. I think a lot of people who are inclined toward Progressive few meth are too frequently being discounted in the family and not acknowledged as leaders in. Well. What do we do now? What can we do? How was your work? Influence your views of the afterlife but and I guess with that question for me is also how has it influenced the way that you deal with death and your personal life. Well, I know I'm going to make a fairly big deal out of the death of my dog. I have a 16 year old Cockapoo. I've already come up with a funeral plan. Although he has kidney disease. He's rebounding and flies up the staircase of our little house here in Brooklyn. Prove to me that he's not dead yet, but I have a little burial shroud for him and wicker casket when the time comes and I plan with family to take him to the pet Crematory in Secaucus, New Jersey where they let you witness his cremation. So, you know end of life experiences of any kind are of great interest to me and I always even long before For I was funeral director parakeet deaths gerbil deaths were always important and those little boxes that banks give you when you get checks are perfect as little caskets for small animals good to know operating the casket, you know Finding finding those kinds of vessels is part of it, too. My own views of the afterlife we kind of discussed right with my mother and and all that. I'm trying to think if I have any other stories on that subject. I do think I don't know about reincarnation. That's just a mystery to me. But I do I do because and it's also confusing to me because I really don't know if you're communicating with someone who has died and they've reincarnated how can 40 years later. You still be in communication to them as you knew them in their ego body there. I like the work of James Van praagh. I think he's Smart and Savvy on these subjects. He says you can continue to communicate with anybody indefinitely. Even if they've been reincarnated and put into New Life Time. I don't quite follow that but we're happy to fly along with that assumption. Well, I guess following that is a bit like to me. It's sort of like an inverse of the Father Son and the Holy Spirit and how they're the idea that they are all this, you know, not separate and And still the same but then also separate. Yeah, it's a little bit like an inverse of that but almost like a parallel universe version of that in communicating with its Beacon communication. One of the things that we talked about was also just in terms of setting up this conversation was the communication with somebody who has a terminal diagnosis and is planning their funeral. What is what is that like to sit down with somebody who is sort of Planning their like the end of their life those are amazing encounters and I'm meeting with dying people with increased frequency, which leads me to believe that the baby boom generation will be interested in meeting with the funeral director prior to their own death in a very intimate way to make sure that their desires are carried out. I've had phenomenal conversations with dying people and you you internally as you're going into them you feel a little fluttery like oh this is stressful. What what if I say the wrong thing but once you ride through that and get over it just being real and again repeating. I'm here for you. I'm going to represent your wishes. I'm going to do everything you're telling me I'm taking this incredibly seriously because I know it's Vitally important and I so deeply respect you for have taking the time to have this conversation with me just last week. I was with someone who's soon to be actively dying and very much wanted to share intimate details about their own final wishes how they wanted their body cared for I've had other conversations where flowers were arranged and requested a single Calla Lily was requested by one woman I was speaking to and when I drifted into saying, oh, I think the florist makes me order them by five or six and she said one Calla Lily. That's all I want just one. So as I click that one calla lily in her hand after her death. We also made her she was a wonderful fashion designer who made garments out of fabric remnants from the Garment District. Everything she created was made out of scrap. So we made her a burial shroud out of linen tablecloth vintage linen tablecloths crap and just as they were, you know, cut or stained. We made them all come in together in a beautiful garment for her and I Revisited her she was already sort of lapsing into a coma but I went back into her room and sat by her bedside and said we've made the Shroud just as you wanted and I'll have the single cow Lily and I'm so glad we met and I never spoke to her in life again, but when the time came, I really felt like I was her best agent and the caretaker she needed me to be those are really sacred uncommonly amazing experiences that I feel very very privileged to have and I hope to have them with increased frequency as folks began to desire. Are more conscious passages more more is they invest more in how they died and dying? Well, that's that's really beautiful. I love math. The sweetness of the work is amazing. You know, I'd come home just spinning. It's almost like I feel like I'm trying to bring ecstasy back the word ecstasy back in a meaningful way to end of life experiences because These are ecstatic most rare moments that are so infused with meaning and power that just on a day-to-day basis be walking through these sacred rooms is is quite incredible work, which is why I think so many men and women want to engage in it today. They really want to have a meaningful experience with their own families their own deaths and then helping Society generally. A manage this important passage for for managing your own emotions and we talked about this a little bit of how it's an ongoing Journey. But do you go to a therapist like G has your did you go to a therapist before starting this job and like if so, how is that relationship changed? Thank you. No one's ever asked me that question. I as a young woman had 10 years of group and individual Psychotherapy back in the days when in Insurance would pay for that. So I feel and then I went to psychoanalytic Psychotherapy training at a psychoanalytic Institute in Washington DC. So I have a lot I have my own experience which was invaluable and helping me as a mother and a someone who started not thinking I'd ever marry or have a happy life and now you know here we are things worked out but Ah, I think therapy is really important. And I also if not therapy then some kind of Buddhist training or Sangha or way of being with others in a local Buddhist group or yoga retreat experience some kind of way of caring for yourself over and over again, that is a practice that you return to and stick with. All that's very important. Absolutely. Yeah, and then have you since you've continued therapy. Have you have you shifted therapist or like I'm have how'd your conversations with therapist shifted? Because I think I need therapy. Now. I have the 10 years and I haven't then my husband did a little touch-up for about what we got. We had therapy before we married we were way out there. So therapy was part of our Dating period so now I'm out and I feel okay occasionally my sister who's a therapist says Amy you need to get back into therapy. How can you process all these deaths? I can you manage but I feel like I'm doing okay, actually, I feel like I'm not as long as I have trusted friends who I can speak to confidentially and a lot of my closest colleagues are funeral celebrants. End-of-life work with hospice volunteers are workers chaplains folks like that. So I surrounded myself with a loving group of people who are supporting me and you know the community element I'm sure is therapeutic in and of itself. Yes having that strong of a community that understands what you're going through. So then that leads us to our last question. What is something you would want to hear a future episode of out great. Let's see. I think you know suicide is a great topic. Have you done anything? I mean some kind of person who's in the front lines helping people and on a hot line, I'd be fascinated by that. It seems like our society is calling for more help. Also anyone working. I guess I'm drawn to the same kind of themes people may be engaged in. Prison work or probation like a probation officer or anyone in drug counseling also softer occupations. I'm very interested in flowers and people who garden and florists. I'd be interested in hearing what that feels like and how you you create things. Anyone engaged in Creative Endeavor who seeks to stay authentic is of interest to me how you don't fall asleep and almost any job is a good it's a good theme but I've always I'm always caught up and folks in the front lines of Crisis management. That's cool. Yeah. Absolutely there my friend Meghan was on and she requested to hear from someone who's at the Forefront of environmental work. And what it's like to be there. Well not doing that. That's a great one because I just recently read that so much of environmentalism is is made toxic today by how much grief there is in it. So, you know be in environmental work and not get depressed about it is what in live and more inspire all of us. Yeah, absolutely. This was this was amazing. Thank you. So maybe where can people find you on social media player. I am a new Instagram. I don't have much traction there. I'm actually very active on Facebook my Facebook. I'm sorry. I know it's not I don't want to love Facebook, but I am on it and active there and then of course Twitter as well. Okay, beautiful. And what's your name? Do I have to website? When a The Inspired funeral.com th e inspired funeral.com and fitting tribute funeral services or fitting tribute funerals.com. I will find me all over and I will link to that in the description of this episode. So awesome. Thank you so much for you're doing awesome work. Thank you. Well, so are you a good Sunday? You too. Thanks. Thank you for listening to another episode of BTS podcast. I really appreciate your time. And I hope you learned a lot from this episode. Feel free to just let me know what you liked. If you want to tweet or share anything out. Please do tag me or BTS podcast. You can find me at atlan a cook and BTS podcast at BTS the podcast across social platforms music on this podcast is by Benjamin. Both are mm if there's something you'd like to hear a future episode on do let me know. I am always taking. Making recommendations and suggestions and do dig into the article in the New Yorker by Mallory rice with Amy Cunningham. It's really great, and there's just some beautiful information and details shared in their about Amy's approach to condolence letters. Thanks again and have a great day.

“I never say ‘I’m sorry for your loss.’ All I say, as a funeral home director, is ‘I am here for you.’” Amy Cunningham shares the details surrounding her training and work as a funeral home director in the latest episode of #BTSPodcast, hosted by Lynae Cook. Amy Cunningham is progressive funeral home owner, licensed director and celebrant who collaborates with New York City families to help them create the best funerals and memorial services possible. She specializes in green burials in cemeteries certified by the Green Burial Council, simple burials within the NYC- Metropolitan area, home funerals, cremation services at Green-Wood Cemetery's gorgeous crematory chapels as well as memorial events of all sorts. When not out directing funerals, Amy writes a blog with funeral celebrant Kateyanne Unullisi called "The Inspired Funeral" for consumers, clergy, home funeral guides, celebrants and bereavement therapists working to enrich end-of-life experiences. Find & follow Amy online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/BrooklynFuneral Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fittingtributefunerals/ Fitting Tribute Funerals Website: http://www.fittingtributefunerals.com/ Fitting Tribute Funeral Services Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fittingtribute.nyc/ The Inspired Funeral blog: https://theinspiredfuneral.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Theinspiredfuneralcom/ Melissa Rice's article in the New Yorker, "How to Write a Condolence Letter" http://bit.ly/2KIzTNO   TED Talk “Why I train grandmothers to treat depression” http://bit.ly/2XcLCLj  NPR’s “The Arctic Suicides” piece on the contagion effect on All Things Considered by Rebecca Hersher: https://n.pr/2xhrubv NPR Staff’s follow-up article on “The Arctic Suicides,” https://n.pr/2xl4Hvk   Follow #BTSPodcast and share what you learned and what you’d like to learn: Twitter: https://twitter.com/btsthepodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/btsthepodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/btsthepodcast/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/19055475/ Subscribe to #askamillennial for content marketing highlights, definitions in pop culture, and internet highlights: bit.ly/askamillennial Follow host Lynae Cook Twitter: https://twitter.com/lynaecook Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/btsthepodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/btsthepodcast/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/19055475/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/btspodcast/support

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How are y'all feeling excited so excited I still get it's been a long time, but we're less than a week away from the premiere of The Final Season or just the final season being put out there on Netflix. Yeah, it's sad. It's sad. It's the end of an era. Yeah. I mean this like not only changed like Netflix, but so many of the theories that are on television content right now. It's like we're in different times exactly. Thank you all so much for joining us. We are going to be talking all things or just new black the entire season. We wanted to have a special episode to kind of talk about the season. There's so much around it and everything. So we are going to be your source for all things Orange is the New Black. I'm your host. April was enhanced joined by my lovely co-host. We have Brianna. Hi guys Francesca, and lastly. Hey, what's up y'all there so much to talk about obviously with this upcoming season, but I kind of wanted to start off with our viewers especially for Briana because she's a new she's new to our panel which were so excited and welcome. Yeah. Yes, just kind of about our relationships with Orange is the New Black your thoughts your feelings when you started watching it things like that. Well, I was really attracted to Orange is the New Black because I'm from DC Chocolate City, you know, and so, you know, we have our own Strife with the justice system and things of that nature. So Orange is the New Black was kind of a way for me. To kind of connect and from the outside view but it gives it also like a comedic relief and so you don't have that in real life, right? So being able to have an outlet like this and connect in a way but still covers such serious topics really attracted me to the show. So I'm hooked love it. What about you Francesca? I started watching first season with the rest of us via Twitter you guys ever watch shows and like I live tweet or like how does that work? Well, like just it's like everyone's like a big slumber party. Everyone's on their own couch. And you're just yeah you were watching it on anyway, so, you know again this was one of the biggest like things that Netflix had done in the starting of like the originals and stuff like that. So I got hooked then and then my mom comes to visit every summer and we usually watch it together. And then last last season I jumped on with y'all. Yeah. same started watching and season one and it was you know, one of those things where whenever there's a new show out and everyone's excited and you know, everyone's buzzing about it you watch and it really wasn't a show I was expecting to like because you had a really didn't know what it was at first glance, you know, it was the story of like, you know, this, you know kind of privileged woman and she's going into this like system and you know, I was just like, I don't know but then it's just so much more than what it seemed on the surface like it like gave a face to so many stories that don't don't normally get shared and they did it with humor and so much care with the stories and got hooked and six seven seasons later. I started a little bit later than everyone and now when I say I started a little bit later, I think I started season 2 or ha ha but mainly just because I didn't have a Netflix password. He was fine with people sharing just in case anyone's watching this and they allow it so correctly. I it's like from the first episode that I watched obviously got hooked mainly just because of the different stories like you see everything every color every demographic represented in a great way to wear, you know, bad things happen good things happen and they do it just like you said with a little bit of comedic relief. We definitely have our moments where it's just Is nothing funny but that also is part of what makes the show great that they kind of have that scene and then go into another scene where people are laughing and I don't think that still even another show has done it as well. As Orange is the New Black because I mean obviously it's still on the air for a reason going into the final season. There's so much kind of going on with you know, we let less left off last season where they're kind of wrapping up everything that happened with the riots and I didn't even realize At that, you know, we had the riot for a couple of seasons are season and then all of last season was really just wrapping that up and kind of show in the consequences, but I did read a lot that said this next season is going to do kind of the same because there's still so much untouched. I watched the last two episodes of season 6 before we came here today just think it a little refresher and it's still so raw, especially the tasty stuff for me. Anyway. Yeah, just kind of seeing, you know, still one of my favorites Seems probably throughout the show of the verdict and we know that it was a guilty verdict for her. Obviously. I was so hard to watch. Yeah, but she and they did it in a way where I think we all talked about it last season how we were expecting, you know, the judge to be like guilty or not guilty, but they did it in that silent and all you see is just the raw emotion on her face. So I'm definitely excited to kind of see how that plays into the next season as one of the strengths of this show is that it took characters that might have just been Reporting minor characters are any other show and they flush them out. They built them and tasty was just like she wasn't one of the main characters in the first I would say first one or two seasons. She was just there and you slowly like build someone up to someone we really care about and like we're invested and invested in her story and seeing her get Justice and this show was able to take all of these stories because you think of like prisoners right women in prison, you know, you think of like, oh, you know when women murder or like these True Crimes it's Like no, these are just sometimes regular women who made mistakes just like, you know with men prisoners but like it was able to share that like, you know, it someone could have easily gone down this path hadn't you know X Y and Z not happened in their life. And so tasty is a great example of like, you know, she was such a young like smart bright young woman, you know, we saw that in all of her flashbacks in her stories and she's just got a big personality. She's articulate and then all of a sudden you just see like all these things that happened to her in life and you know when she had the friend who was a prisoner or not for her prison guard They ended up on different sides of you know, the scope there and that's what the show just like does. So well is weaving these stories and like we care and giving us these gut-punch moments that were just like, oh my gosh, what's going to happen? Yeah. Yeah, I think also being able to see their lives before they went to prison and that it helps us connect with them on a more personal level level. So we have more Sympathy for the characters versus if we were just on the outside watching some woman. We didn't know on trial. While she's a black woman. She's in prison already. Obviously, she's a criminal she must be guilty as easy to draw that conclusion. Yeah, but because we see all the entire Diamond Dynamic and it's just really unfortunate to see it play out like that for tasty, but I low-key felt like she was going to get a guilty verdict. Anyway, I did to only because when we were watching I tried to take myself out of it and I was like, okay, let me look at the facts that she's It with and this I think is another thing that's going to be a big topic or a hope is going to be a big Topic in season 7 is the fact of the what I call the Cindy Factor. This Cindy is the one who, you know, testify gave false testimony against her and that's her best friend. So clearly they're going to be back in prison for a very long time together as far as you know what we know currently so I kind of hope they address that but I thought the same thing just with when you look at the fat when you have this person saying I saw this this person did this So that's what a jury's going to go off of and it's so not fair that someone was even placed in that situation in the first place. Right? And that's what this show does. Well, they don't sugarcoat something to say like, oh, I love you love tasty. She's your favorite, you know your great viewer, they're going to give you like, okay what's actually going to happen or what would we think what actually happens and real life, but that's I mean the best friend factor to me. Maybe that's just me being like a little I don't know not salt. I want to say that what we're talking about in jail show because they always talk about being like so hard whatever but I really do hope that they talked about that a lot because we've seen these relationships throughout the show whether they be, you know, obviously Piper and Alex and whatever but tasty and Cindy have been, you know, some of our favorites from the very beginning of so I definitely hope that they address that yeah some of our the other, you know, one of the big things that happened in the season 6 finale was Piper getting released kind of on a Cavity because you know baddest in was going after her for this whatever. What do y'all kind of hope we're going to see from her in the season Francesca. What do you think? We're going to see her? Can I say based on the preview that we saw? Yeah. Well, I There You Go trailer. I do like that they show in the trailer like her trying to get back into work and how difficult it is to get back into work because I think you know Supposed to be rehabilitating you got but often it just creates this cycle of continuous prison basically, right? So I'm excited to see that we're going to see a different side of the whole prison system, especially for women and you know, I think in general especially right now in all this like me to and feminist movements like women wanting equality in the workplace and stuff like that is so high right now and then to take it from her as Being just released from prison and she's struggling. So I'm really excited to see ya story. And in the trailer you also see like, you know Pipers taking a pee test and you know having to like, you know face these rules and she gets asked are you even allowed to hold a weapon and it's just sort of introducing the idea or you know further explaining that like just because you're out of jail doesn't mean you're not a prisoner anymore. Like, you know, you're on parole you still have rules regulations curfew probably can't drink probably can't be out by a certain time. So it's like Life is so restrictive and we're probably going to see that with Piper and just showing how like it just it doesn't just cause you're out doesn't mean you're completely free of any case, you know thing thats hanging over you. Yeah, and that definitely drives you insane wait, you had all those limitations. I'm really nervous for her to not have Alex with her because Alex was always the one to say Piper relax. It's not that serious. Are you sure you want to pick that fight and Piper is so emotionally driven. Even that the sometimes the logic is out the window. Yeah, and then Alex brought that logic and and so I'm kind of nervous with this transition with her life outside because she doesn't have that balance anymore. How is she going to now get into it? That's a really good point especially because when we saw her at the beginning of the series she was with Larry who was also he seemed like kind of like a level-headed guy. You're right. She's very emotional as far as in her choices and you know doesn't always think things through and I do I mean She's going to be a lost puppy. Yeah, it's really absolutely when the last time that she was out was like you just said with Larry having this like Soap Company happen. That's what I'm I'm interested to see kind of most with her storyline. Anyway is actually the professional aspect because you and we've addressed it on the show before just like when tasty was really right tasty was released at one point. Yeah, right and then she came back a lot of people say that it's easier once you have, you know certain things on your record to just be in prison because you can't get a job that's going to make any sort of like actual living wage. A lot of times. You have to like be in a special position to meet someone or to get the opportunity that someone is going to overlook what you've been through because they're not going to necessarily they're probably out of just you know, professional reasons not going to ask you what your charges they're just going to see felon, but I'm going to be like, oh she was you know, Then got caught like selling some weed and then she was in jail because of this this this is this that happened after that so it's very situational. So I kind of the most interested to see how they handle that situation with her. Obviously. I'm excited to see what is going on with her and Alex. I was kind of like over that relationship, but then they moved back in with the wedding episode of season 6 and I I read in a lot of articles that that's going to be a big thing with their storyline. I don't have I don't think they'll just like focus on it and that's going to be the only thing that we see happen with the two of them. But I did read that you kind of we're going to see the ups and downs that go with dating or being married to someone in prison. Yeah, what does things like a difficult thing? Yeah, two things with Piper. So I obviously they deviated from the real life because I think at some point where we'll see her starting to write a book. Man, you know be like, let me Chronicle my time in jail, which is you know, what this whole series is based on which is the original book story. But you know in real life, you know, if I'm correct she stayed with her Larry and so they deviated from that and this series so I'm just wondering like how close to the real life Piper they're going to be with the story. So that'll be kind of interested in seeing justice. But also like I don't want to see too much of hyper the season like, you know, I got like my favorite character and there's so many other loose ends that are happening with so many of the other Actors we care about that. I'm hoping that like I don't I mean she hasn't been for the last couple of Seasons. I don't want her to be like in the spotlight. I'd want to see what's happening with some of our other girls. Yeah, when one character that I really want to see their stories Blanca. Yeah. Yeah, especially just I feel like orange always has mirrored politically what's going on outside of the show. So I really appreciate the writers for doing that and you know, we see the last episode Blanca gets taken to get deported. Yeah, so We saw her in the trailer. So I'm feel like we got some good good things, but I really want to see how that plays out. Just especially in this climate. So I definitely it's what they've always done. The best is giving us the real life stuff that's actually happening right now. And I think she's going to get probably more time than she has in any season because with everything that's going on at that border in actual real life. I think it could be a situation that we're going to enjoy seeing but could also be yeah a heartbreaking thing which they've done. Well, they like the show, bro. Your heart but then you know the make you laugh pillow underneath. Yeah. Yeah. She's a perfect example of again another character. Who when we first started the series she was a background character. Yeah. It was just a crazy woman in this doll talking to the devil and turned into you know, a fully-realized woman and you know, we see her relationship with her know if he's our husband or her boyfriend but like, you know when you saw him like waiting for her and he doesn't come out like I was alone. I like broke my heart, but you know, she's a fighter. She's been like one of Toughest women on the show on the series. So I feel like you know, I think she's got a fight ahead of her but she's gonna face it head-on. So I'm excited to see that. Yeah agreed. I'm definitely excited for Maria Gloria, you know, all of those characters that we have since the beginning. I want them to like get a happy ending. Yeah kind of what I'm most curious of all like who gets a happy ending. I was reading this Variety article, which we actually have the cover of that will show di all this with youso dubas on the the cover along with Gingy Cohen and Piper Kerman and they're just talking about what this show has done for Netflix in general and kind of the Happy Endings that we hope they'll all get but they definitely you know, also kind of amazing that that we're not getting that right hot ladies. Well this show launched so many careers and stars like, you know, they it's become such a launch for you know, so many women the actress who plays who say, you know now on, you know, the handmaid's tale and Saw Laverne Cox get celebrated so much, you know being a transgender woman and fatah solely on Russian dolls. So that's exciting. Yeah, the kind of the purpose of the article is to talk about what Orange is the New Black did for Netflix because just like me, you know where I didn't start watching at first because I didn't know what a Netflix original program was look at where it is now. And so I think that's one of the best things to celebrate about this show is just what it has done for Netflix the most watched original programming on Netflix which is yeah a feat in itself. Yeah and not just Netflix. There's a Time article about how it really ushered in the era of like Embrace dreaming like Queer storylines on what is it is like, you know transparent or you know, a lot of relationships on the handmade Stellar on other shows that like sort of embrace, you know these storylines and you know, even more celebrities like our culture has since shifted, you know, you have more women saying, you know Miley Demi thing. I'm a queer. On it and it's like it's celebrated its more in the Forefront and I think seeing these relationships, you know on such a popular show that was a claimed that people were into it changed. A lot of people's perspectives totally agree. Yeah, before we wrap up we'd love to show you a little clip that Orange is the New Black or at least it's just basically some of our favorite characters talking about their own characters in 20 seconds. So take a look. Where do I begin? Okay, Lorna Morello in 30 seconds. On the inside. She starts out light in prison. She's awesome Galina red reznikov. She's undaunted. She's bloodied but unbowed you don't wanna get married to me. I'll kill you. I'll kill you but it helped to kick dope and it was really the mother. She never had. She's wonderful in the kitchen, which is wonderful as a sort of good mother. She's wonderful. There's a real mother you have a baby with me. Yes. Oh, it's like and then she make some real changes. Impact because of who stays dead. She definitely had many a romance issues. I'm looking at you Lorna Morello crazy, you know, I'm completely safe with his guitar his death which we already know what really happened is he's got a lot to deal with but you won't be disappointed that part when she says y'all won't be disappointed. I'm like, I know I know I'm so excited y'all. We you know have talked about this show for So long, I can't believe it's actually wrapping up the like crazy dude quick predictions. Like what's going to happen this season? What do things that happen with red red? Oh gosh. I don't read she's in jail for forever Natasha. Um, I don't know if I'm like, it's too difficult. I think that some people are going to get out. I do think that we'll see some, you know stuff that happened. I hope they'll do a flash-forward. I guess I should say of like some people that are out. As everyone as of right now has a very long sentence left. So I don't think we're going to see like these, you know, these people the process of them getting out like over 10 years and a lot of people have the life sentences. So I hope we do see kind of a flash board and I think we will yeah, I hope so too. What's really cool about the trailer is that you don't really see them fighting amongst themselves anymore the like, you know, it seems like they're going to maybe focus on fighting the system and whatever obstacles and be together and like be United which is kind of exciting and encouraging. I hope it's that that and not more of a feeling of feeling of defeat especially with tasty. So I mean, that's a great guy. It's a look at it. Sometimes I'm just like oh or maybe it's a little yeah or negative, but I would love to see that. Yeah, I would like to see done Dayanara do better just like change and we're positive way, but it's not your mom's not be high. Yeah. I would like to see Dad not behind ya. So me too. Well, thank y'all so much. For previewing season seven with us the final season y'all can catch us recapping every episode in the meantime. Y'all can find me everywhere at April. Listen here. You can catch me on Instagram at I am be underscore Cheyenne c-h-i a NN e and you can find me on Twitter and Instagram it XOXO Cesc a I'm Leslie. You can find me at Leslie that face on Twitter and Instagram also find us all at AfterBuzz TV and we'll see y'all for episode 1 Thank You by our founder Keven undergaro arrow and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz see you later. Hmm views expressed herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle.

Hosts Lesley Carroll, April Whisenhant, Francesca Dugan, and Breanna Chienne discuss their thought, predictions and wants for season 7 or Orange is the New Black ! ABOUT ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Orange is the New Black comes from "Weeds" creator Jenji Kohan about a women’s prison drama with comedy that takes no prisoners. Based on the acclaimed memoir of the same name by Piper Kerman, the series is about engaged Brooklynite Piper Chapman, whose decade-old relationship with drug-runner Alex results in her arrest and year-long detention in a federal penitentiary. To pay her debt to society, Piper must trade her comfortable New York life with fiancé Larry, for an orange prison jumpsuit and a baffling prison culture where she is forced to question everything she believes about herself and the world at large. As she struggles to adjust to her new reality, she finds unexpected laughter, tears, conflict and camaraderie amidst an eccentric and outspoken group of inmates.

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Let me some teaching prize and is regarded by his current University of Toronto students as one of the three truly life-changing teachers. Dr. Peterson. Thank you for coming on and tearing that is it is it safe to say is it fair to say that you are considered a rock star now? Well, my YouTube channel seems to be have become very popular in me and I've been yeah, I mean I hate to use that characterization, you know, but yeah, there's been an explosion of media interest and then public interest in the sorts of things that not only the sorts of things that I've been dealing with say sort of philosophically and politically but also in in the lectures that I putting up for people on on YouTube, which I've been doing for about 4 years now and I think it's the combination of the stamps that Took on on compelled speech and on political correctness in general and also the content that I've been providing with people they come to the channel for the for the political controversy. I suppose and they seem to stay for the content. So that's pretty it's been it's remarkable. I mean, I don't know what to make of it. It's remarkable. Yeah, you like it. There's been like a shift of people wanting to they like they want to hear stuff like this. They're they're really excited. To hear like a position of free speech when when a lot of people actually have been kind of railing against it and it's really interesting the type of the times that were in because unfortunately, it's coming from a lot of people on the the far left. There's like this a torrent authoritarian left type of movement taken a foot and that's basically War most people kind of recognized you from because they saw a protest that was going on at your University about it was about Bill c16. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, well because I made a video that where I express my opposition to the Canadian government's attempts to make certain kinds of speech mandatory and also to oppose the University of Toronto Human Resources departments attempts to impose what I regard as inappropriate. And and likely harmful so-called unconscious anti-bias retraining on the part of their Human Resources employees, which I think is a very dangerous incursion into the civil rights of their staff as well as being based on very poor science in my estimation. So yeah people people people there was a protest as a consequence of that and that got a lot of attention on YouTube and that was one of the things that Drew a lot of attention to my channel so Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's what it's how I found you it's I actually did a video on it and I saw that you tweeted it out. So I was actually like, oh, he's seen it and I I feel I feel strange because like the type of content I make I try to be very light-hearted. I tried to have people I try to be crack a lot of jokes and have people at least have some fun through the madness. So when I was also like seeing that I was like, oh, I wonder I wonder what he thinks because I don't know. I got a real kick out of your out of your coverage. I thought it was really funny and it's funny because some of the best conversations that I've had with people on YouTube so far have been with people who have a who are who have a background in comedy roughly speaking and I think it's partly because people who have a good sense of humor and who have a comical take on things are also likely to tell the truth because there's almost nothing funnier than telling the truth, right? If you say things that other people think but won't say then, you know there that often makes you very funny and I I thought your oh, I think your channel is very comical and witty so well that that I appreciate that a lot because yeah, I like I don't know hearing hearing stuff like that. Sometimes I'm like doubting myself. I don't know Mike should I should I try to be more because excuse me. I'm in I'm kind of I guess I've been shoved in this this community called this skeptic community on YouTube and I do try to be skeptical but at the same time I said I try to be more just on the comedic side. I was thinking about being more. Arias and try to be like say more respected, I guess in the in the in the community that I'm in but I kind of want to just I was like no. No, there's there's enough people. I don't know if you're if you watch say if there's any any YouTubers in particular in particular that you watch I don't know if you've seen say anyone like Sargon of akkad or armor skeptic. Yeah, and have you had any future awesome. I suspected that much especially he just Did a video about it? I saw it recently and that was actually something that I want to ask you about because he was talking about McMaster University. Oh, yeah, and and that's actually something that I wanted. I really I was really interested in and knowing like say was this how do you like your officially like on you just like a Target now, we're now you're being shut down where we've seen it happen to other people people that likes a mildly not Bliss, but you know, he's a I could say a provocateur and It's very telling that they would go out of their way just to shut you down when I don't know. It just seems like you're not saying anything that is irrational. You're not saying anything that is even remotely extreme and I just want to get your take on. How did you feel when you got when you got your shut down at well make my funny thing because when I was there I didn't. Think of it as being shut down and the reason for that is because things aren't exactly what they appear to be any more and so for example now when I go and talk it places the place I'm talking out is barely the place where the event is happening at all. The real event happens on YouTube. And so I went there and I saw these people acting in a very what would you say? Well, it was partly a vulgar manner because they were yelling things at me that were. Just a just asinine just just expect even protesters who had any sense to be shouting. They're they're they're just they're just low-rent insults, you know, low-grade insults and behaving very badly and and laughing about it in on their cell phones and and misbehaving in a very bad way and and having the goal for example to appear. McMaster talk behind a huge Banner with a hammer and sickle on it like as far as I'm concerned I and I really mean this. There is no difference between appearing behind a banner with a hammer and sickle on it and appearing behind a banner with a swastika on it and the fact that you can get away with that at a university and that that's considered. What would you describe it as a reasonable stance in the aftermath of the events of the 20th century where we know that at least a hundred million people were killed by communist totalitarianism is absolutely reprehensible. But when I was at math McMaster, I thought and I thought this ever since that first. The first protest where I where I was shouted down increasingly the appropriate thing to do when surrounded by protesters is to document it and let them let them destroy their own credibility. And so far virtually every time I've had an encounter with the radical social justice types, and I just let them be which which is I think a reasonable approach they've undermined their own position dreadfully. And so I don't think of it being as being shut down at all. I just think about it as another route to Victory and even an effective route because I maybe a hundred and fifty thousand people have watched that protest now at McMaster University may be more far more people than were at the event itself. So yeah. No. Yeah, you're absolutely right it actually I mean it wouldn't this stuff does happen. It does bring it brings these issues to light and it shows just how ridiculous these people are acting and showing that like, you can't take them seriously and I 100 agree about the hammer and sickle thing like 100% because especially when you see what's been happening at say for instance like Trump rallies around the United States were a lot of these people that consider themselves Communists or Marxist or Over or anti-fascist there. Just just beating the hell out of people in the in the name of fighting fascism. It's the most it's the most like it's the most ironic thing that I've witnessed in quite a while. It's pretty it's pretty it's pretty sad to be honest. But like I said, they'll people are in just in droves. Just just trying to shy away from them being like this is not this is not the way to go. And so yeah, it actually is a very good thing that you know will There's the silver lining for you getting screeched at and shouted down and everything. It's a massive Silver Lining because now that I suspect is very frustrating for those who are opposing what I'm doing where if I go speak somewhere and there are no protestors then I get to speak and I'll get a viewing of a couple of hundred thousand people and if I go somewhere and I don't get to speak then that gets a viewing of a couple of hundred thousand people and so at the moment I'm in this extraordinary fortunate position, where as long as I don't do anything to unforgivably stupid and get carried away or get error. Or anything like that that as long as I've cautious as if I keep pushing forward with what I'm doing, then I seem to come out in a positive light either way and that's a great position to be in. It's an amazing position to be undone. It's also been I've learned some really interesting things here as well. So one of the things that's happened you were talking about my YouTube popularity. I could tell you some details about that that you might be interested in first of all. The overwhelming majority of the people who come to see me live and who are watching. My YouTube videos are man. It's about 90% men and you know, you might think that that's because my political stance say doesn't necessarily appeal to women, but I don't think that that's what it is because when I looked at the demographics for my lectures my personality lectures and my other university lectures that I put online since 2013, even before this political issue became Central But say about 85% of the people who were watching. My lecturers were men and that's strange because about 75% of psychology students in universities are female now and so I've been trying to figure out why is it that men are coming to watch me and why is it that men are watching my lectures and what so I've been speaking to the audiences about a variety of different things and I've been concentrating mostly on the right to free speech and in a a political matter in some sense. Like I'm making the case that it's necessary for free speech to be placed above all other political virtues so that no matter who it is no matter who's positioned its being put forward they have an opportunity to engage in political dialogue. But also I've been talking an awful lot about responsibility and responsibility is the other half of Rights, right? Because your rights are my responsibility and my rights are your responsibilities and so I actually can't have a discussion about rights without having a discussion about responsibility unless you're willing to forget about half of the story and the the radical leftists in particular and even the moderates I would say have been pushing this idea that the quality of life that someone enjoys is entirely dependent on the rights that they're granted or the rights that they take to themselves and I've been putting forward a the counter story, which is well, just hold on a minute there guys. You should be concentrating. Training more on responsibilities that you should be upholding in the community and getting your act together as individuals and living in a way that makes you valuable to your family and to your to the broader community and learning how to Bear a heavy load like a civilized human being and the man young man man. They are so hungry for that message just just unbelievable their eyes light up and you know, I've got this program. That I wanted to talk to you about to I designed this program a while back called future authoring and that's available at self authoring.com, and it's a program that helps people write out a plan for their life three to five years down the road. And so what the program asks you some questions it asks you okay. So imagine that you were take care of yourself like you're someone that you were cared for so you're trying to set your life up so that you have a good high. Quality valuable life at however, you want to Define that that's it's up to you to Define it you're asked to think about. Well, what do you want from your friends or who do you want your friends to be? What do you want for your career? How are you going to educate yourself? How can you use your time in a high-quality and productive way outside of side of your obligations? How are you going to handle drugs and alcohol? What do you want for an intimate relationship? How are you going to structure your family, you know the basic think about that is the basic dimensions of a functional life. So next question is if you could have what you wanted, what would that look like and assuming what what you wanted was also best for you, you know that you were heading in a positive direction. So you're asked to think about that and then you're asked to write for 15 minutes without too much concern for grammar or structure about what your life could be like three to five years down the road if it was set up in a manner that you would find Optimal. And then you're asked to write a counter position, which is alright, so think about yourself critically for a minute and then imagine that you let your bad habits and your resentment in your hatred and everything about you. That's that's sub par or suboptimal get the upper hand and it augured you into the ground what sort of hell would you be in three to five years down the road? And so we basically imagine you specify a have them that you can strive for and it held that you want to avoid and that's Sets you up for maximal motivation a because you're running towards something you want and you're running away from something. You don't want and then you're asked to lay out an implementable plan and to come up with detailed rationale for what you're going to pursue. So, okay, so that's all a long story but we've tested this program in a number of universities in Europe and in North America and we found the same thing each time. We found that it it works better for for students who are doing worse. It's not just for students by the way, but we've tested it in students because it was it was an easy population to actually assess its Effectiveness. And so we found that it increased students grade point average by about 25% and decrease the probability that they would drop out of University by about 25% So about so huge effect, but what was really cool was that the biggest effect was on man? And if you look in the universities now and in schools for that matter women are outperforming men. Yeah, definitely and I think it's because the man well, I we don't have to get into why that is but they are but if they do the future author program the men catch up and then here's the kicker this is this is something I think is absolutely fascinating. So when we did our our big study in Holland, I work with a woman there named Michaela shippers and Another professor named Dad she purrs and we ran about 7,000 students through this program now and then we broke them up not only by by by sex but also by ethnicity and so we broke them into male and female and also Dutch national and non-western ethnic minority. And then we looked at their initial performance before they did the program. And so the higher performing people were the Dutch women and then the Dutch And and then the non-western ethnic minority women and then the non-western ethnic minority men who were out underperforming the Dutch women by about 70% So a huge margin and dropping out far more frequently when they did the program the non-western ethnic minority men caught up to the Dutch women and passed them within two years. And interesting no, man that just blew me away and so like because that's that's so unlikely. Right. Usually when you when you produce an intervention that's designed to improve things. First of all, it usually fails. Sometimes it makes things worse. And then even if it does succeed what usually happens is it makes the higher performing people do even better. But that is what this did what it did was take the people who were doing the worst and it increased their performance up to the point where they were indistinguishable from the high performers. And so so there's a bunch of things about that. That's interesting in the first is that people make the claim all the time that say in European communities that if you're a visible minority the reason that you're not attaining the same accomplishment level, let's say is because of sociological or political or economic reasons. But we produced a psychological intervention that help people get their acts together at the individual level to set concrete goals for themselves that they want it and that remove the effects. And so that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you about because you know among your listeners. There are going to be people of All Sorts who are drifting. Yeah, and a lot of what I'm doing when i'm talking to live audience. This is an on YouTube is to is to tell people help people figure out how to get their act together and aim at what they want. But what it what seems to be the case is if you can get men to sit down and think about how they could take responsibility for what they want in a way that would also simultaneously The community their performance goes way up and their quality of life improves and their mental health improves and and I've got like hundreds of letters. Now from people who have listened to the lectures or dumb that program and said that you know, it's turned their life around stop them from being nihilistic stop them from wasting their time constantly and doing foolish things and set them on a path that they regard as much as much more powerful. That's the thing too. It's not the other thing. That isn't talk to young men. Now is that The reason you get your act together so that you have power and influence. Yeah, right. So you get strong and indomitable and so that nobody can get in your way and I don't mean that you become a cruel monster. Although being able to be a cruel monster is actually extremely useful but doesn't mean you should be one but being able to be one is means that you're no pushover and who you know your what kind of man. Are you if you're a pushover. Yeah, you're not good for yourself or anyone else. So So that's been very exciting. Yeah, it sounds amazing. The results are just like that's that's fantastic hearing that stuff. And I totally understand that and it's something that say for example, it's something that I kind of would need where I was even telling one of my friends the other day that you know, I'm like you will you'll you'll succeed much better, especially if you have something mapped out like if you have it if you actually can physically see it if you not just like, you know thinking about and you're bouncing all over the place. It's something that I've I would do a lot and say recently I've been say Okay. I want to get better physically and mentally especially physically and I've just been kind of all over the place and or I was just like, okay, I need to sit down and I really need to figure out what I'm gonna do and I need to I need to actually just write it out. And and this is this is the type of food. I'm going to eat. This is all this. Well when I can actually see it makes it so much easier to just obtain. It's so much easier to it's not just I don't know. I always feel like saying right your head you have so many thoughts. So it's hard to just lock onto one thing. So when you can actually just like focus on to something like that like this program that you have it sounds exactly what a lot of people need something something that like my my friend that I hang out with like every week. It sounds like something that he can really benefit from so and I'm sure he'll watch this because he actually does watch my channel. He's a good guy. For your viewers and I'll send you that you can put it in the lake and your YouTube video link. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. That would be good and I'll send you. Couple of codes to and if you feel like if you if you're inclined to do the program, if you're interested, maybe we can have a conversation about it after you're done. Yeah, I'll give it a shot man. I mean, I'm sure I could benefit from it myself. If especially my my audience knows how how chaotic my life has been how they never know what setting I'm going to have in the background because I move around so much and I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to you know, I'm figuring things out as I go to and I'm very open and honest so I never I don't know. I never I never tried to hide the fact that I just like oh, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm I'm getting pretty old. I mean I'm not old but I mean it just to a standard of I shouldn't be bouncing from place to place because I'm you know, traditionally I should probably have my own spot and and I should be completely focused and established and you know, like I said, just so Obviously latched onto something I mean, you've produced a pretty successful YouTube channel. So how how common how did you manage that? Well, it was I mean from a young age. I always knew that I wanted to entertain people like I just didn't know exactly what I thought it was going to be through music because I always would play music. I always, you know started playing the guitar in the drums and stuff. And when I when I kind of recognize that that wasn't really what I wanted to pursue because of just the my The independent like the independent thoughts on the stuff that I want to do. The visions that I have is very hard to work with people especially when those other people have their own type of visions and Ambitions. So when there was something like YouTube when that became a thing I started just just putting some stuff out there. Like I actually I honestly thought I was going to be like a gaming channel when I first started the channel. That was the first thing that I was going to try to do especially since Gamers were doing so well like I would love to be a part of that Community, but when I All except Free Speech being threatened when I saw the thing that popped up like saying 2014 gamergate and and then there was a little offshoots were a lot of these, you know radical leftist were were going after things like metal and saying that metal is sexist and stuff like that and we need to we need to do something about it. And that's when I started just putting out some content and people were starting to listen and it's no secret that it's no secret that people a lot of people like to listen to me. Because they think like I'm a breath of fresh air, especially, you know, there's this there's and there's a stigma, you know of black Americans where people are so shocked to the oh, wow. It's so nice to meet somebody that's not XYZ and you know, it sucks to say that it's tough to say that but it's just it's just the truth. I mean, you know, the the black men that I know in my area or say that I've met and I've lived in say South Central Los Angeles just smack dab in the middle and it's just unfortunate. It's an unfortunate Community. They're not really interested and like say they can really benefit from a probe that your program because they're they're just not interested in anything and a lot of people that I've met and I've worked a bunch of different jobs. They just they already they feel like they're they're doomed already their their their Destiny has already been set to yeah, they are. People generally realize and you know, here's a couple of things that are that are interesting in that regard. So you you may or may not know that I've done a lot of work on the psychology of religion and one of the things I did was look into the origin of the word sin and strangely enough. So the word sin means essentially to violate the sacred moral code something like that and you can think about that is breaking a rule but that's not exactly the right way to think about it because sometimes It's a sin not to break a rule. You know, if the rule is unjust or or tyrannical or outdated or blind then it's up to you to break the damn Rule and to suffer the consequences. And so to send means more to go against your own spirit and to violate your own spirit and then to violate your own your own proper mode of being you know to not to be true to yourself and it's actually derived from a Greek word and the word is hamar Tia and hamartia is an archery term and it means to miss the center of the target. And so in my in my role as a clinical psychologist, I'm always dealing with helping people. You might think what I'm doing is curing Mental Illness, but that's I don't think that's really what I'm doing. What I'm doing is helping people get their lives together and lots of people come to me not because they have mental illness because they have very very complicated lives. They have their families are fractured or and they're under extreme societal pressure and there are you know, they have economic trouble and maybe they're sick and like It's hard on them and they have real problems. And what we try to do is to figure out what the target is and then figure out how they can hit it and I can tell you a couple of reasons why people fail and one reason is that they don't ever Define what constitutes success they so they never even aim at the Target and my experience has been if you specify a Target intelligently like you can't you don't want to shoot your arrow at a Target that's 50 miles away that you can't see you don't get to hit it you have to put A Target that's pretty close and that that's sort of within your skill level but most of the time if you set up a Target properly and you practice you can hit it and so the idea that people have that they're doomed from the outset. That's that's true if you believe it. Yeah, and I know and I'm not trying to say that that life is equally difficult for everyone and you should just pull up your socks and get at it. I'm not saying that because I know full well that that's not true. But you can overcome a tremendous amount of Of opposition you can you can defeat a very very powerful set of adversaries if you're locked onto goal that you truly value and that and that you've thought through in articulated and writing that down does really help as You observe before the psychological literature on that is very clear. So I would say don't don't make the mistake of assuming that your life is doomed without putting that theory thoroughly to the test and you know the other problem with that idea. This is something that goes along with nihilism is that you might say, well it's pointless and I'm doomed and the world is against me. It's like yeah, the problem is that also gives you an excuse not to take any responsibility. Yeah, and maybe that's the underground reason why you're why you're saying that you're doomed and that everything is stacked against you, you know that and that's not to say that there aren't structural inequalities and all of that because obviously there are so yeah and and that's something that I II 110 agree with you, I think that but I think yeah, I think leaning more towards I think there's a lot of people that just try to opt out and they you know, they don't want to take any responsibility. I think there's a bigger influence of that were there are clearly there are clear-cut examples of people just thriving, you know, Adam through the the worst of circumstances. This video called message to Millennials in New Year's around New Year's and that got to be very popular and I think it was I think I made the future. I think I talked about the future authoring program in that video. But one of the things I thought about was I thought it would be comical in. This was after I came across you. I thought it would be comical if I could run a discount code for the future offering four black guys, but I didn't know how I would do that. But what's the demographics of your lead on your of your viewership? Do you know like who watches you there's a very small amount of my demographic normally is like say a Male, of course and because of that there's there are some some black dudes that just don't even want to that. You know, they want to call me a coon or an Uncle Tom or whatever and they're saying that I'm catering to the the to the white man and all this and it's because that seems like a like it's a curious kind of insult. You know, I mean, I understand being insulted I get insulted but you won't have to wonder sometimes why it's that particular kind of insult that gives directed against someone so why do you think that's being why are you being put down in that particular way? I just feel like I feel like it's there. I feel like there's a lot of people that are just being told to think that way. I don't I don't think genuinely because I never really had that issue. I really didn't have that issue growing up with with like say when I would be in a in a in the black community there were a lot of them because there were some people that just Like say for example that maybe grew up in a private school a little bit and they had a dip a little bit of a different start. Maybe they're an empty vessel and they were just able to just have like books like just literature and didn't really grow up on TV and stuff and that's kind of how I got my start and then from there. I just kind of into the public sphere of school and everything and so most people were pretty cool with me. But then as I started to gain a little bit of notoriety, I started to notice that there's there's quite a few people that and I'm like, where are you getting this thought process from? I'm where I'm like a traitor or I'm a coon if I don't if I'm not exactly like you if I'm not like say, you know, the stereotypical BT black guy that's just only like exclusively in hip-hop. You know, I like I love listen to hip-hop but you know, I also actually like metal a lot more and because of that thing it's like, oh you're you're you're whitewashed or your this and I'm like what why like, why are we it seems particularly dope Think of you as a sellout because you've made yourself a presence on YouTube. It's not like anybody's handed that to you on a silver platter. It was just some I mean that sort of thing is open to anyone and we're in the wild west Frontier Days of YouTube and and you built yourself a following pretty much of your own accord. So I don't see I mean it's obviously some of its going to be to do with resentment and jealousy. You that I met because I imagine sort of thing that generally drives insults. Right but I saw the same similar thing happening. I thought it was very distressing at that Free Speech rally that we talked about there is a kid there who now works for Rebel media Ethiopian guide. He's pretty dark. Oh, yeah. Yeah and and pretty You know and now he's cut himself a good career with Revell media, which is pretty funny. But when he was speaking at the open mic because it was an open Open Mic session the woman who founded black lives matter in Toronto was standing about 12 feet away from them and she yelled Coon Adam about a dozen times and I thought well, she's someone I have who I think is almost utterly contemptible. Yeah, and and because her her behavior generally speaking is Is beyond reprehensible but I thought that was I thought that was a remarkable thing for her to be doing absolutely jaw-droppingly appalling things to thing to do, but I was also curious about why that particular insult. What's that mean to her? I mean, I I wonder that myself. I wonder that myself especially because like reading up with for my understanding of what a coon actually is and what a coon used to be was kind of like the was kind of like the whole the the shucking and jiving term where you had to like turn on you had to like put on like a show to entertain, you know, the the masses or whatever you had to you had to like, you know, for example be Very stereotypical like see a lot of people that a lot of people in the black community the ones that are calling people black people like me a coon or kind of they're actually the ones that are Coons themselves actually the what the way that I'm like. Yeah. It's like yeah and it's like dude it's so it's so embarrassing to see how like The Descent that I get on my channel. I get a lot of valid criticism from people. Sometimes they'll tear me a new a because sometimes I'm just, you know, I deserve it sometimes I deserve it but when It comes to like black people. Usually the ones that have you can visibly see their thumbnails and avatars. It's just it's I actually feel very disappointed because it's usually just an ad hominem. It's usually Coon it's usually sell out I can just do the keyword search and and search coonan. They see the somebody joking around because I was I made a video like about a year ago or something just called like hashtag. I am a coon just basically embracing it kind of showing their I don't really I don't really buckling Don't I really don't care like the ad hominem attacks and just just Petty insults. It it does not affect me at whatsoever. So that was actually I thought I was supposed to make shirts and everything like that, but I kind of got a little bit behind but yeah, just kind of showing people that hey it's you know, whatever just let that just slide off of you and it's that's all that's it's all they have and I just it does kind of break my heart a little bit because I feel like say I would hope that I would be somewhat of like of an example of hey, you know, it's not it's not hopeless like you can you know, it's stop stop talking about systemic racism and and saying that it you know, it's not being a doomsayer and try to better yourself, you know, try to if you're if you're living in a bad situation let how can you get yourself out of it. I always use my mother as an example where she talks about just all the stuff that she went through she went through a lot of stuff and to be able to raise two kids and you'll put us give us a good start and private school private elementary and then on then I went to public school afterwards, but I just gave me a huge advantage to where my mind felt incredibly stimulated to the point where I remember doing like fractions and taxes when I was in first grade dealing with those type of things that were it was very difficult at the time but now like very useful to the point where I do my own taxes, I don't don't have any problems with that. Like people are always a God or know what to do. I got to pay somebody some money and I'm like nah, dude what we're not I think also the insults like there's a there's a there's a kind of challenge that's associated with them too. So if someone if you're enveloped in a particular world view and someone comes up who actually challenges that either by what they say or what they do the first thing you're going to do because you don't want to recalibrate your entire belief system is you're going to Horrible things at them and see if any of them stick. And so I guess partly what happens is that and I mean I've been insulted in that way as well because people have called me a bigot and and at restful been and I was protected against that to some degree I think because I'd already put 500 hours of videos online. And so if I was any of those reprehensible things people probably could have found that out pretty quickly by going through the material that I had put online. Because I almost every word I've uttered to students in the last five years has been recorded and is publicly accessible. So if there was anything in in what I was saying or what I believe that was actually it actually deserved that kind of derogatory classification that it would have been found out very rapidly, but it's also the case. I think that people when they throw those sorts of things that you there's a part of them that's hoping that you can Withstand it and tell them exactly why they're wrong just on the off chance that you're the real thing. And so, you know, your you've got a certain amount of success that you generated yourself. And so people are going to say well you sold out and then they're going to sit back and watch and see what you say. It's like, well I said he's sold out. Maybe it's true, but maybe he can defend himself to so it sounded like people will throw the worst that they can at you and see if you can withstand it and that's part of the way they test to see if they actually should pay any attention to you. And so so how come how come you're able to let the insults? Let's say, why do you why do they I mean they must bother you to some degree, but they don't bother you that much and you don't let them stop you and why is that? Well, it's the only thing like that that the only thing that bothers me is like say the insults when it when it comes to especially when it comes on when it's race-related. Those are bother me or the ones I like say when it comes from when black people General the ones that I would because I feel like say my content could help out some black Americans. I've made some videos about saying no stop basically stopped just thinking that they're the world's against you stop just thinking that the United States is that systemic systemic racist system in 2017 or whatever and you can't there's just no point of trying like stop telling your children that you know, like give them a give them a boost. I would think that they would help me out. So that's the only time when they say stuff to me like that. At everybody else. I've been on the internet for so long that people are just going to talk and say some of the worst things and most times they would never say it to your face. They would never most people now it's starting to but now I'm starting to see a shift though, especially from looking at the protest and the speeches that you're trying to give him and when people are trying to shut them down what I'm seeing is what normally used to just be fantasy becoming reality and like in the entire Spectrum. We're like say if You've ever I don't know if you've ever actually been on Tumblr.com. I know if you've actually logged on their butts a a lot of yeah, I it is. I would say that a lot of stuff that you hear nowadays like when you hear about gendered pronouns, the z's are and all the weird things that are coming up foot and the other Ken and people just being just mean and just nasty just a lot of that stuff. I would see that was Tumblr. Like I've never heard of any type of you know, a hundred different type of pronouns until Tumblr and and I don't know what this was like the the safe space for them, I guess. And now it's do you think Tumblr is like that? Why do you think that's focused there? I've wondered that myself. I will I have a friend that Irish. I respect her greatly, but she's one of those people that you know changes her name and her and her pronouns and then this and that and had a boyfriend that you know, you has a beard and stuff but he's like call me she and I'm like, okay sure but and I'm trying to figure out like what where I can't find the root and and seeing like is was there like a giant presence of maybe a public figure that maybe started talking about these ideas because I don't know the only thing the earliest thing that I can really find. I remember like say back in 2011. I started seeing a trend happen in a Texas where it was being wolves those around that Twilight movies this the Twilight started to come out. Maybe it was even younger because I think that's why let's were yeah came out a while ago the movies but um, I started seeing that a bunch of people are starting to dress like wolves are putting tails on and all these things and I was starting to see stuff like that and maybe it was just the pop culture things like that were making it socially acceptable and then it started to be discussed on forums and everything that maybe Tumblr I don't know how it became the the the ground zero but it seems like that for me and now it's just being translated into Academia like your start. Okay, so that's interesting because you know, what? The third about with all this identity transformation and and this includes not only that sort of gender. Let's call it play that that you're talking about. But also that other kin Universe looks a lot to me like the sort of fantasy play that's characteristic of kids when they're about ages say from about four to about nine or maybe 4 to 11, you know, that that would be the the maximal extent of it and I wonder to some degree of what happening, is that because Because I don't think that modern kids get enough chance to engage in fantasy play like like pretend play like they did 30 or 40 years ago that maybe that was that's being pushed aside by by mass media. It's being pushed aside by computers and video games. It's been pushed aside by cell phones and it's also less common because children's play is so structured now partly because they don't have very many siblings and play dates or setup and kids lives. Paper structured and so kids have to go through that pretend play period and I'm wondering if maybe because we've suppressed that in our society if it's blossoming out in universities when kids get away from their parents and can start to experiment with their own identity if they if they're doing that through in a because it looks like pretend play I'm going to pretend to be a boy. I'm going to pretend to be a girl. I'm going to pretend to be an animal. I'm going to pretend to be a A werewolf. It's fantasy play and there's a lot of objection would people say well I'm not going to play your game. You could play your game, but I'm not going you don't have any right to compel me to play your game. But it may be that there's a developmental impulse that's being manifest there. That didn't get its chance to express itself at the proper stage of development something like that Isaac strange it is and I feel like there's definitely some type of correlation because When I was when I was a kid and when you were going out, we were like I was I'm old enough to where we didn't have any type of Technology other than like say the Super Nintendo was was like, oh this is amazing and I would take the bus. I kind of need the kids can do this anymore just take public transportation. I'll be back by Sundown. I would go to another city. Sometimes I'll just go ride my bike and me and my friends would have liked missions. We would do crazy stuff and we hugely like I wish I recorded some of this stuff so I can I can remember it but my point is that yeah, definitely kids will have anything like that and like I said the with the mass media with with the video games as much as I love video games, there is so much structure that you can't really you can't really Branch out and really create that you're very limited to what you can do even would like video games when you can like create a character and stuff. Sometimes that's as far as it can go but you're still kind of limited to where you where you can go. You can't fantasize. It's why I say I still like I still love reading books, right? As you can just you create your own world in it. And then sometimes if you're somebody's read the same book, you can compare and contrast me. Like how do you see this character? Even though if sometimes they describe them, you'll still have an imagery. Yeah how they look and I think that point because I think what happened in part was that, you know kids engage in pretend play when they're too young to read but then when they start reading fiction, they are still engaging in pretend play because they have to imagine the characters. whereas in movies and in video games, the characters are basically put forth for them and that and that there's utility in that because they're you there can be additional structure but a lot but the problem is is that additional structure also stops you from having to use your imagination and it's it's through your imagination that you experiment with all the different things that you could be and maybe that's just being pushed later into development now and that's why the young people are so outraged when you when you violate their their The identity, you know, they look like kids playing to me except that the really they're too old to be doing that. Yeah, I mean and that's war and that's why it's so it's so absurd to me that say something like c16. It could even be like past or that there's even a need for it that there's because like I said, it does seem like make-believe and pretend and it's like, how are you taking how can you take this? Seriously, how could you take this seriously and and and what's happening it also? Also seems like such a major regression like something that you're trying to hammer down on like say on Free Speech or P. You can get in trouble by misusing someone's pronouns and then now recently m103 motion. The motion has been brought up and what has been going on within one with the m103. Have you been keeping up with that? Oh, yeah. Well Well, one of the things that's happening. That's really interesting. Is that as far as I'm concerned? So I'm going to do a couple of lecture series or a lecture Series in the next year and and I'm starting in May and what I want to do is start at the beginning of the Bible and talk about the psychological significance of all the stories right from the beginning to the end. But I also and this is something I the nibs my patreon funding is helping me with this and then there's something else that I want to do in parallel, which is that I started talking to a group of moderate. It's about a week and a half ago. Well and and some a couple of months ago very very smart people in very committed and they want to put forth. They want to start the process of describing what a reformed and moderate Islam might be and so and I think that's the right way to go with regards to the tension that exists between the west and and the Islamic world or even within Canada. between there isn't a lot of tension in Canada. Yeah about anything really but to the degree that there is tension what needs to be done between new immigrant communities and the communities that they're integrated to obviously is for a dialogue of consensus to be to be started and hopefully that I'm going to engage in that and that's the proper way to fight islamophobia, but the current government insisted that this motion which is it's not a bill it's just emotion, which is expression of commitment on the part of parliament to go and study an issue or to make a moral stance on an issue and they described the concern with emergent islamophobia and the opposition parties in Canada complained about the specification of Islam. In this in the wording of this motion and said well look we can we all support an anti Prejudice and anti-harassment and anti-discrimination motion across religions. No problem. But if you use that word islamophobia specifically we're not going to support it. And so they offered to the to the current government the possibility of unanimous consent for the motion, but The Originators of the bill wouldn't withdraw the wording which I thought was absolutely appalling because islamophobia. A really? It's not a good word stress of all, it takes a medical term phobia and uses it politically which is really a treacherous and sneaky thing to do and second. It specifies a specific religion when there's no evidence that that religion is being specifically targeted. I mean it might there's no real evidence in Canada that that adherence of that religion are suffering for many more discrimination than the adherents of other minority religions or even the adherence of so called majority religions, so it was a very bad idea but and so I think this other approach is better and and so my I publicly opposed m103 with a certain amount of the theft because I'd be talking to the people who who are running for the leadership of the official opposition in Canada the conservative party and I've talked to a number of them about m103 and about also issues of responsibility among young men because the conservatives finally have something to sell young people and they never have if for the first time in the history of During my lifetime. Anyways, the conservatives have something to sell to young people and that's responsibility. And so we've also been talking a lot about that. But so there was some opposition damn 103 and I think the proper way to progress without to reduce the tension between the Islamic World in general but also Islamic newcomers in Canada, and and longer-term Canadians is to engage in a dialogue with moderate people and I hope that that's going to get off the ground. We've got the Ball rolling and some very impressive people already on board. We've got the ball rolling for that and I hope I'm going to play a role in that so that would be really exciting. It would be really fun to do that in parallel with this biblical Series. So because then I can approach the fundamental stories of Judaism and Christianity at the same time as engaging in a public discussion about the meaning of Islam and the implications of Islamic belief for for for the broader political culture. So that's Exciting opportunity no doubt about it. Yeah, that sounds great. And it sounds like oh man a great way to go about it too. If you can do those things simultaneously, especially so it there can't be any talk about like, oh, he's just criticizing Islam or or whatever. When you also you're just you're you're talking about just religion that kind of across the board, you know, and I'm trying to understand it. Yeah, and that I think a lot of people are too and I think that's kind of like what's so frustrating about what's been happening and things like say m103 even like existing or say something for quite some time on YouTube that just there are certain words that if you put it in your title your tags, like your video would be demonetised. They're saying it's Advertiser. It is an Advertiser friendly and you know, sometimes you wouldn't even be saying anything harsh. I like say sometimes I'll say I would just love to have an honest and open dialect about Islam because I think there's a lot of people that don't understand it. Now. There was a lot of people that are just like All Muslims are this and I've seen quite a few people that are like them. Like wow, I think we need to talk about this. Yeah, and and people don't want to talk about it because people that were full-time you're not going to make any money off of it and it sucks. Like I feel like it's such more of a important issue that I would just I would like say I put out a video of this this talking about what happened in London not too long ago just because I and I knew I was gonna get you monetize my like why not. I want to just at least put it out there and just saying can we can we can we talk about this can we can we be Honest and say that there's definitely some type of issues and like on both sides. There's there's just you know, there's a lack of communication and I think you know what you're what you're going to do is is fantastic because it's it's desperately needed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm fortunate because last April when I set up my Patron account, which was way before this political political issue exploded. I did it mostly out of curiosity because you know, I was making I would say fairly low quality videos from a production perspective. I was just using an iPad on a on a tripod. I was just using an iPad on a tripod and and I thought well, maybe I could you know, I by that time I'd had about a million views and I thought wow that's that's a lot man. If I wrote a book that sold a million copies, I'd be dancing a jig out on the street. So I was really starting to take YouTube seriously because I thought I thought about it for a while and I thought well all I see what's happening. This is this is like a Gutenberg Revolution. It's the first time in human history where the spoken word has as much reach as a book. And as much permanency and that's a whole new thing man. And and it's way faster than a book. Like you can as you know, you can well this video we're making right now we can have this published and in front of an audience and immense audience and attract a couple of hundred thousand viewers within a few days. It's unparalleled and so I get all set up a patreon account because that was a new thing to and because I was I've been really curious about how creative people can monetize what they're doing and it's very difficult. And so So I was looking into that and I found Patron and I thought well, I'll set up a patreon account see what happened. But I was fortunate because I decided not to use Advertiser generated revenue on YouTube. I decided to use Patron and I didn't know it at the time but that also made me more or less immune to threats of such things as D monetization. Yeah, you know which is which is a form of it's not exactly a form of censorship. It's Morris. It's more like it's more like an attempt to turn the The tremendous diversity of Music on YouTube into elevator music, right? Yeah be contentious because then you can't sell advertising on it. Well if it's not contentious and interesting no one's going to watch it. So it's a it's a suicide Louvre in some sense on the part of the advertisers because everything is sanitized YouTube that all that's going to happen is another another free speech video site is going to pop up and people are all going to flock there in no time flat. Like it's yeah it long. Term suicidal move, but but there are ways to protect yourself against it and patreon seems to be an interesting way of doing that. How many how many YouTube videos have you had demonetized? I've had I've luckily I haven't had too many. I probably had a total like six and the the the ones that the main ones that have been demonetized were the were pretty old and I wasn't really going to generate any money for them anyways, so it was and but however this Month, I've had one of them that was one of my better videos the or at least it did better. It was a one about the attack in London and that was immediately to monetize and I was just like well, okay fine and then another one because because of the whole ad hysteria with a bunch of the companies pulling out. Yeah, they started to crack down a little bit harder and they I responded to there's this company called Mike and they just still put out a bunch of Nonsense, like a lot of people are starting to pull back a little bit on their social justice Warrior Ultra Progressive nonsense, but they're still pushing on and they had a video called like things white people killed in 2016 now just like a bunch of Trends right dancing moves and all this stuff saying that if white people do it, it's you know, it's cringy and stuff. I'm like it and it's still, you know, just being it's that's only true for nerdy. It's right. I mean that's really what it comes down to like but I got me and it comes on even like say I mean just nerdy people in general when you see people dance or do something that just have no rhythm. It's just so cringy why you just can't look you get the second hand embarrassment. Right? And but yeah, they just put out some ridiculous stuff. So I reacted to that and that video did very well and that got demonetized recently. So I'm like, oh great so I'm not gonna get anything from that anymore what one last thing. I want to ask you because people really wanted to know what is Your opinion on pineapple pizza as a topping not well pineapple is a time you hate you hate Pizza. I used to work at a pizza restaurant and I Learned was that you actually have a lifetime maximum of pizza ingestion. And once you hit that you can't actually eat any more pizza and so I hit that when I was about 16 because I worked in a pizza restaurant for about four years. And so I ate my 10,000 pizza and that was like, oh, that's it man that there's something about the spice I It might be a Reagan. Oh that's specific spice that I don't like and so even covering it up with pineapple that would improve it but it still makes it difficult for me to eat pizza. All right fair enough fair enough. All right. All right, sounds good. All right, dr. Peterson. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your and I'm sure you're insanely busy schedule to talk to me man. It's been an absolute honor its and it was real fun, and I wish you the best of luck truly and I hope you I hope you get your self oriented and and Knock Em Dead good most definitely man. Thanks. Again. I appreciate it. All right. All right. Bye this podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter Ken's Le K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books. At your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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One one one. Yo, I know we can be louder than that one more time. Make some noise for ants and ab day. My name is DJ sensex, the baby special edition of who he be talks with recording right now. You're all going to be on the podcast is it's going to be historic. It's gonna be legendary and what's even more historic and legendary today is that I've got the honor of speaking to these two guys right here. These guys are entrepreneurs who changing the game these guys, I believe that the future of the music industry ants you may know him whose Channel anticipate Abdi you may know him as We and today we're going to talk about their Journey how they got into the game what they do and what they think about what's going on in our scene at the moment. So let's get into this. You ready? Yeah. I know energy more energy so and let me let me start off with yourself. So you found it. I'm just bait. Yes. How did it happen? Where did it all start for yourself? It was just like in school. There was this competition about it. Instagram everyone had Instagram and it was like the main thing about how much follows you had at the time. I actually didn't have one will have a phone to run it. So I made a count by my friend's phone and it was just a competition to get the most followers. You know, I mean, I've got 10,000 followers by doing the hellish. Ah, like everyone hate me everyone for the shout outs, but once I hit 10,000 I stopped and then just started posting funny content at first it was just like Lobby I'll say it's a hobby and it still is now I'll say it's a hobby and it just turned into something. I didn't expected like peoples like you all these videos that jokes keep up keep up even though went my content, but I was finding the source and all the content and then it just kind of blow from there when you said you got 10,000 followers through shouts. Yeah, you know, you need to you need to enlighten me man. I did more followers, like what does that mean? So for example, I put a picture of you if it's back up yet. I'll be fallout Fallout DJ Center and then you get followers Vice. So you do the same for me, right? That's how I kind of started and build it up. So I need to work on the six-pack need to work on a sec. All right, and after you know, I've been following you for a while on Twitter. And you know, I always felt you had your finger on the pulse like you knew what was going on. Musically you had great taste and the way that you talk about actually talks about acts differently to everybody else on the internet. So, where did it start for you in terms of your profiling activity on Twitter? On that a while ago right now. So I just used to I like a social media platform. Just tweeting that funny stuff memes and like just use another social media platform at first and then I started tweeting videos of music videos and it was like storms equipped and Cone and back then them a lot and then I start getting quite a lot of retweets and like likes when I was tweeting them out and then the platform side building from there and my name is always been Apple TV. I don't know why I just had it as that since the start. So yes, start growing and growing and growing and then eventually everyone is came to me for the newest music. I don't know why I first I was like, I'm just doing everything that I like. I didn't really see what I was doing. I was different from other people but his grew grew grew grew and is what is now? Okay, so and like just to recap what was you doing when you started on Instagram was you studying was you working? Like? Yes, I was in Kingston college and I was working at injuries. Okay, so what would You doing at College was you studying mechanics, right? Okay with no interest in it, but studying mechanical serious. Yeah. So what point did you decide to go hard and focus on the Instagram and social media and did you know it was like when people started asking me to promote their music actually offering me money and then I put this kid while you know, I'm a lot Dina. I put Dino as in aging do you know agent, you know? Yeah and it just kind of blew up the whole of Instagram and trended on Twitter and I was thinking this could Actually be useful I could actually help people here. That's when I fought to put all my work into it was this that was this the clip where it was in the school uniform singing playground. Yeah, the first have it and it just it blew off that I didn't expect it a couple years later than the charts now pop him. It's crazy killing. It mad smell of the like, you know, when did you start taking the Twitter thing? Seriously same as unseen when people start offering money. Yeah, like when installed when I start seeing that was making a difference to people's lives. ABS when I start seeing that was giving people careers or not giving them careers, but kick-starting their music careers by posting the video and helping them grow and get gaining followers and you know doing numbers on Spotify on YouTube and that's when I started taking a bit more serious and I start seeing people actually like prospering from what I'm doing because I've followed you for a few years, right and it's in the last it was in the last 12 months, you know, I saw you was getting more and more focused with what he was doing and the Sniffing, I think it was last year when you did the history of storms e yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was those. Yeah Evolution Evolution the storms the I was like I was like yo, this is deep. It's a storm see Cena as you come again. Yes. Yeah. What did you say about it? He loved it. You just love it. Yeah. Yeah. He loved it. I said to him before I dropped it and he is sick just to make sure that he's cool with it before that's it. And he had that went nuts that got like 1.2 million followers on Twitter. I'm a 1.2 million views on to her. And I'm a week. It was stupid stupid. Yeah, and I was just like that was just like me trying to show people like how he's gone from nothing to Something in like three years four years. He was wearing his a showing how he was like rapping since he was 14. And then now is that 24? I think I have an unseen the how his career has gone from rapping in the streets who like selling out shows. So just to recap you found all of the content online. You did your research. Yeah. Got all the content from YouTube a couple. Got from directors that Calum Dennis and that he sent me a couple exclusive clips and other put it together and released it and it was purely out of passion that you did it. Well, I just knew was going to be well as also so I just knew it would reach the people's ways to reach and the well, so that's why I did it. Yeah. Okay. Alright and then what was you doing when you was doing this like was you working on? You know, I'll just finish uni recently studying computer science. What was eventually studied what PSI science computer science? Yeah, and you on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, that's Steve. It was that like a three-year course. Yeah, three years just finished a nah just graduated. So here's me thinking that this guy's a top influencing knows everything about rap. And I mean while you wear was you studying Coventry University and maintenance. Wow, okay. All right. It's better hop earlier. So Did the study in help what you was doing with the focus on weight? No, not right now. I just I just want you need more for my parents. I never really wanted to go to UNI just did it for my parents. Right? But yeah, I was always focused on other things. I wasn't I never really thought the music thing was going to go this far as it has he has now. Yeah who you are fan of like in that wise right now? Probably young been shot his new tape. Yeah HBK HBK What about a cell phone? I think Young ads and I'll be OD block Europe. Yeah killing it that smashing up the charts as well. Yeah. So in terms of what you guys do as I hate I hate when people talk about influences because I think when there's elements of the industry to talk about influences laughing, I've always said that the talking about the wrong people, but you guys definitely do it. You guys are the influences As when it comes to UK wrap when it comes to Urban Music in the UK. So basically, I mean what is it that you're doing with the power that you guys have got I'm we're just trying to show people music that they haven't really heard of right and like love underground stuff a lot of stuff that's not really out there. We're trying to help people that don't get that help from platforms. We're trying to be that platform that helps them were so with them just be like the whole With the music situation is to give people the voice that you have to reach audiences that they couldn't reach because the demographic and I'm just beat these labels can't reach it. You know, I mean says if they can't get a label support, they could get the support from just fit. Yes. Why a lot of the people that have helped it's not been charged with Supernatural and I mean, I think you guys you guys are supporting artists before they get deals you guys have been responsible for artists getting deals, right? So which are I is will you heavily champion in before they got signed before they popped off go Anthony. The list is very long. There's too many right. You're actually too many. I don't really like taking credit for that and I don't really like saying I'll help him help that these guys so hover over look at this low do the one thing that I definitely noticed was, you know, I found out about be young for you guys, you know demand you join me you guys the way that you would you hyped it up like You know, I always say to these guys. I can't tell when they're doing something out of love or when they're doing something because you know, they've someone's asked, you know for that support but we've being with Jumanji like I mean after how many times did you post that quite a few is that how you build the hype? Yeah, right. Let's throw it down people's throats until they like it literally and eventually he got signed see I see the other side. It as well because when these guys stop posting things and it starts going off, I see it in record companies and A&R start talking about artists and blatantly the following anticipate or the following that the TV in the seen it from there. But we've be young like that's definitely a clear case like of where you guys got the ball rolling from first early, right - the reason why we both pushed, I don't know but I do but for myself the reason why I push him so much is because before you actually reached out to me and And sent me his music. I was listening to his music anyway, so I was already a fan so I'm pushing it as a fan not a platform. You know, I mean, yes, I wanted to bless her and Abdi done the same thing, I guess. Okay. Well and let's be went to January earlier. This year is the first week in January and Abdi posted this clip and he said look at this guy with his dad was and it was Jimmy full of cost and used in the money dance. So I was like, wow, this is Is actually dope a contact to them got the track and I started playing it on my show. And then while I was in there, I think you even tweeted lat DJ Celtics is played it like even and that's what I'm saying about these guys being influences the fact that their influence me is a radio DJ to go out and play music and you know help the artists get an even bigger audience is crazy the way that it works that was deep when I saw that treat us like I've just paid attention ha ha ha So you guys are connected and you found we are be okay, right? Yeah. Yeah. So how long do these surveys talk about label? Me and Anthony has been we've been friends for like five years four years five years four years ago. We spoke about we spoke about - let's make a label and Indian pursue it for four years. Yeah. We've been talking about having a label for years and years and years is actually a year ago when we actually sat together and we're like we need to do it right and we just never did it. Anyway now we just formed it off the back of like are obvious on that wheel. Cola Cola, okay. So the First Act That You released was boobs, right? Yeah for not right because this this is what I'm saying. This this is this is like this hasn't been done before you've got and who's popping on Instagram. You can add these popping on Twitter you guys set up a label and you just release a music just found out they're like, well what gave you the audacity to do that on phone books for night was our little viral clip. So it's called Bugs you did a little freestyle to this. And it was like he rapped about everything relates Fortnight. I posted it and then Anthony posted it and we saw that it was going quite viral. So we spoke to the eyes and told him let's make it into a song made in the song released it within the week and is currently on like two million streams and we did that in like a week and we spent no money on that. We just did it because we could see your influences marketeers and A&R. Well, I'm out of business. So what happened next like with your son? Oh, come on these so alike are on was by swarms. So me and sometimes I knew swarms before like a and he I met him on a night out and he told me he's got a new song. I was like cool sent it to me in the morning. He sent to me in the morning. I spoke to my manager as I like it sign it. Let's get out there and then we sign the song got it mastered got a mixer Master to released it and he some like 15 million views on YouTube right now and it's on like 12 million streams, right? And then the crazy thing is You guys released it without traditional radio Play because I'm always calling you up for tracks like yeah, they're like, yeah, fuck the DJ's will send anything out to ourselves and you know, it child a 66 in the chart. Yeah, no one's done that like no one's tried to record on the back of Instagram and Twitter just purely like from scratch, you know, established our is myotonia or whatever No Leaf of Basil did it with Snapchat and so forth, but you know, An app to use fresh out University as well, right? Yeah, literally fresh out of university life the day you left is the day on the day. It was on my birthday the day that we actually dropped the song. Yeah, right. It's not and you finish your degree as well. Yes, if I don't raise our is a perfect time. How do you guys as well? I'm 22. I'm 22. So it's crazy, right? That's crazy man. That's that's that's crazy. How do you feel about where the scene is right now? Because we've all seen it grow over the last couple of years. But like what what you feeling about what's happening right now? I think like one family to talk about it deals that people are getting that crazy like in terms of the amount of money that labels are giving up but I think it's also a good thing but there's I think there's not enough music being released out right now, but but the scene is bringing some the music that is getting released as good worker quality. Okay, who the artist watch out for in your opinion? I'm going to say dinner. I don't hear you and do not connect Cadet is doing bits right now. Yeah rated M for a lot of years and he's doing this right now. Yeah, and could then do you know during the charts and right now with the advice track as well from a freestyle that they turned it into a song Let's create that same method Instagram to song. You know, I mean it worked. Yeah, that's that's crazy. That's that's that's what I'm after you what about yourself? You thinks gonna be popular but you can talk about okay, then I might not say that. And yeah, I am I am 100,000 am is called open source. Is there I'm Joe day from 9 mm. Right? He's popping and he's going to be popping. Next year was MCO single. He's a singer for 9mm also called so versatile. Yes. Yeah anyone hurt each other or soon you will 2019 you will you've just been influenced later. There you go. So how did you find your day on? Mr. Sampson's music? I actually spoke to him I do this thing with people. I talked about idea and I don't pursue it for a couple of years. That's about to draw day. I think three years ago as I understand you but I don't have a label and then we got back in contact light in the last five months or six months. Yeah. Yeah last five six months. He sent me his music and he just had so much music normally when someone sends you their music, it goes from good and the quality dilutes, but it was just Quality quality Quality quality. So because I spoke to add details like we got work with this kid, man, and now we signed him I stopped by So how do you find a transition from posting about stuff that you like doing your thing and then to actually take it even further to do the label thing? Because you're it's different now because now you're taking artists and they're trusting you with their career. Like do you feel the pressure there is a lot of pressure. Yeah. What was the most pressure you feeling right now how I felt um song not doing well. That's that's not that much pressure off. All right now having a song that you like love and you want to do well and it doesn't do well hasn't happened. But right it's like is that this artist is putting it all into you they could have went to at some other labels and it gone to you but for certain reasons, I can't say what I mean. I mean, yeah, I hear that and then what if people wanted to join the BOK team like I would they go about that. He's their openings, you know having no one. I mean we're in hiring. I don't know. There's always offered opportunities about when I mean, right what internships that free cold cold you cold where you going to take the BOK situation you've gone from being influences on Twitter Instagram. You got to be. Okay label your two of the youngest execs on the come up 20 and 22 crazy. Right and like, where do you where do you aspire to take it to so when we do this in five years Ten years time we can revisit this moment in five. Ten years time. I think it's gonna be like a household labor like in a say be okay and everyone's going to know what be okay is somewhat they done that we're gonna have the whole catalog of things we've done with voice. Okay, are they the best label the UK actually in the world the world probably Skies confident now, that's that's crazy man. That's crazy. And how do you find working with you know Spotify like Terms of you know, what you're doing with influencing, you know how to work Instagram and Twitter. But how do you find the whole process of releasing music and working with Spotify now? I think my opinion nothing Spotify dope like the team's associate the so responsive and it's a big part of music today. I think we've Arts is fortifying back in your song. It's not going anywhere in my opinion learn. How many followers have you gotten the bait list bailiffs? We got 97,000 follows $7,000 playlist on Spotify. Do you get that? I've got a hundred fifty people my had. How'd you get 97 pounds of people? How do you do that? Good music and a couple competitions. Wow, that's crazy. And the crazy thing is as well. I've had people tell me that when tracks go in the bait list, especially in the top five positions it it makes an impact on sales. Yeah chart positions. Yeah. I said say and how do you get twenty? Twenty Twenty One in December? Fucking all right is mad let's talk about your party. Whoo. So what was it is to celebrate two million followers. Yes a two million follow party. That was insane. Yeah. It is my DJ. Then it like let me just let me just be capped at night. Right? So it was the anticipate party and I was like, yeah cause I gotta be a part of it all the dopest up-and-coming artists were involved and it was a zoo if he was it was like one of the craziest nights I've ever done. I saw bottles of Pain everywhere, like people literally swinging off. The ceiling rappers were queuing up to get on the mic and do their thing use on stage. Like you you pop out you will live in life that night. Yeah, that's crazy. Like how you're going to follow that up. The next one's going to be crazier. Serious. Yes. It's I'm on a 25 December the Christmas party. It's on my 21st. Birthday says got to be crazy that the lineups big our DJ's a big on DJ sentence is going to be their little designer. Damn. Right, so be lit. So how can people get into that party? I mean if I sold out in 24 hours serious? Yeah, but we are going to open some more tickets, but it's going to be very limited. But I think we saw that 1524 odds way without the platform. Of course what's happened to the platform right now? Yeah, so the platform's down right now, but I'm just bait. Yeah. I'm a lesbian. Yeah. I think we just hit 2.7 million followers and I got taken down due to copyright, but We're working with Instagram. The team's actually been really helpful and we're working to make a better business model for the page and obviously sort out or do the spirits and get them right? So we are going to be back and it's going to get bigger and better. I saw some people trying to set up like sneaky little I'm just whatever like quiz that there's like 90 fake accounts. Yeah. Yeah, but I never got nothing man, you know, I mean everyone's got high school and they all got taken down. Yeah, they've got taken down their son isn't some surviving All right, it will be taken down. It's cool, man. Alright, so Big of everybody is in the room right now and it's don't see a full house is this is definitely the talk to be at and these guys are definitely the influences these a and our Market is the label of the future when I open it up for a couple of questions. And yeah, we should get into this we go for that one. I just repeat that. What's the best way to be noticed you by you guys in terms of music? It's like with you. Yeah, we do because you have like, I don't know about Abdi bit in terms of I'm just bait those files of people sending diems a day and I'll probably get back to like 30 people is impossible to get that to everyone but if your videos getting known and going viral getting loads of tags and comments, that's what's going to make us notice it unless you obviously find someone that knows us directly How could an up-and-coming artist get those tags and comments to get your attention though. If you're getting five thousand times a day, that's some Madness like I mean, they go get the support from their friends. I've had people that had 400 comments on their posts, which to me and A Lot 400 people tagging me and because all their friends are tagging me grinding like DeDe and I see it, right and I mean email him and seemed older guy. You answer emails. Before I didn't but as I said we change in the business model. I'll be checking every email. Okay at the like how would you respond to that? How do you get noticed as an up-and-coming artists to be a lot because let's be a lock. But yeah, email me and hopefully respond most likely to add on to that the craziest thing that we said the swans, you know him personally, but after you put out a song after it blew up after he's just super son. He's a household name. I'll check the DMs. I went to send him a message. I know. Screwed up and he was damning me for time and I didn't see that DM serious and it's annoying. It's the same with the youngest the same of all these Orizaba is you don't see the messages. What's the craziest DM that you've seen from someone who's pops up and you didn't respond to them? Or the biggest are is that you kind of ignored by accident? The Tivoli serious is actually too many right even like, you know, like you have two sections to your DM's you have your requested for people. You don't follow and people you follow I get so much on the ones. I follow that I miss out a lot of dams from from a lot of tech people a lot of rare for people right Abdi. Is there any anyone that you kind of already Octavian? Seriously? Yeah. What happened? What happened? I mean Anthony me an answer. Paisley song party hard. Yeah, so we helped push that one party here. So when I came out we helped push that one. Yeah, but I went to go DMM say that I posted it to see that he's there me before and I was like, oh shit. Wow was this was this before? You got sound? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So you could assign them could've should've well and then and then what about like artists that are popping now that who's famous? That's DM do from early. Abby is really to know everybody every Artisan. I was talking to Dave before he came Dave. Yeah, Dave storms the loads of people that we know everyone that before their big Billy just didn't have the infrastructure to sign if we were like this coffee years ago be a rap serious. So that's like a design and you have a questions. I mean in terms of Music Trends come and go and I mean, there's so many different artists out there. But what do you think it takes personally for an artist to become a legend and leave a legacy to be remembered by for the longevity. I was about to say I think is the longevity of your music. It's about being versatile because a lot of artists are good when the trends are there, but when the trend has changed it can't keep up with them. So you even might have to switch how your your original Act is to keep up with the trends. Why is going to be stuck in the past he would you say it's been good at moving with the times? I would say Cadet. Well if they could that because any challenge could come up in here jump on it and make it his and it challenges our Trend. Well, I mean, yeah. All right next question. And can you say your name as well? Just sort of this for a hive here? Hi guys. I'm Nate. I came to London in March. I'm From Italy. I've been working with a lot of artists from Italy and France and I have a big question now. I'm working for a touring company here and Big producers that I want to bring to the UK right? Also big names. I want to know. How do I link up with you guys? How can I approach or how can I do Etc? Right so because artists from France and Italy is very difficult because of the language but producer are popping up and they're pretty heavy. Also. The following is pretty big. So I want you guys link up with them because it's been my work since then and now being here so I want to thank have right so I mean we're here so well before I catch you later. Yeah, we're connect with a lot of people because I mean maybe people don't know but like in Italy and France the scene is really popping up. There is a lot of things that they work really well there and as not been done here, right? So that's what I wanted to discuss and we actually signed girlfriend franchisor french fry ago, they flew right? So if you guys are fan of hip-hop just look around those in Europe there is Big artists or popping up one of Biggest playlist is very bastards from Italy. So as Warden was that playlist again. It's better Buster. Stella Bathurst era. A Busta is an artist named he has more than 2 million followers when is playlist. So okay this artist. I want to learn and easy of a Persinger. It's a rough area is he has a song with Cueva Rich the kid Etc. Wow, that's crazy big, but I can lick. We agree. That's tough stuff and your questions. Yeah, my name is Joe or payment and you could just call me. Hey, man. Hey man. Yeah paym a n that's right. The dog named. Yeah, what does it pay - hey man, as isil is it does the bee you gotta pee gotta pee man attention anyway, anyway, anyway, obviously, you're not producers yourself. I'd I'm not so sure of that. But is there any advice you? Someone who's just a producer who's trying to get into the UK seen the rap scene like the afro swing sing and anything any advice for like promoting yourself or something like that anything like that really just helped eyes like a lot. It's do respond. Like you would expect it. But if your produce IPL but eyes you would probably respond to you like did he respond? So I just try your best friend because everyone and that, you know, just work on it. All is that you like not just any artists obviously, but I see you like just reach out to them because they will see. At one out of five or six. Yeah. No for only takes that one song to put you out there. You know, I mean, yeah, that's true. I mean cuz not going to lie. I have I'll continue to do that because I actually messaged Cadet and no response obviously, so I'll keep you know, I would do. Yeah, right one thing I say first and foremost is stay persistent don't give a monkey now, there's some people like if the couple of months that I artist to artist long when you get a job like just stay at if you really vile Talent not a hundred percent, but what I would do is I turn up at a show in bump into Cadet. Really and truly like for me if I wanted to hook up with an ax I just turned up at the show. It's funny because I actually did bump into him if anyone was there for the antenna to Premiere when that occurred in Leicester Square actually bumped into him right whilst I was after I had a studio session in Clapham and it was crazy. So I hit him up after that. I thought no I wouldn't be good to try and you bump into him. Yeah actually, but yeah, I was like, hey man, great job on showers story instead of you know, the ones we I don't want to like just be like just go up and promote myself. Yeah, I feel after you have found another there's a I see what you mean, but like and no no you have to you got that special glow. Well, that's your five minutes that five minutes. You have to get it in. You have to like yeah, right. Yeah now true to choose but you need to be if I was you I'd have been late could their love what you're doing. Congratulations on all your success and payment PA why I'd say it like that paym a n and payment. Yeah. Hey, man. Man attention all of that. Yeah. I've got some tracks that you need that. I've got hits for you. Yeah, I've got production the you need we should work together some pictures right? I do have the hits. All right. So how the hell you got to sell yourself? You gotta believe in yourself to tell you so you got you got you got you gotta look you gotta look. You gotta look the part. You got to look him in the eye with that kind of intent that looks kind of mad, but it's not it's passion. It is that to me. They've gone off and Pops off and done amazing things chip did that to me? Tinie Tempah did that to me? They look look you straight in the eye and say I'm going to make it I'm going to do this. Yeah, like I'm giving you that crazy intense. Look I might be making you uncomfortable. No, not too bad that we're gonna we're gonna again you're going to know about payment people. That's right. That's right. That's right whenever whenever all right. All right. Thank you. Thank you, very next question yo, yo, yo listen, my name is the original. Yeah, I'm a rapper. I'm a singer. I'm a lot of things. I'm interested right I be yo bro with a high. When's the next fight for shit? What's happening? What's happening now? We got one coming soon. Yeah. What's that? Is there going to be that criteria and not to not get involved. Your music is gonna be good. Okay David in the music and that like what we say, it is a emoting. Yes email things that we're going on like the whole little social media posts about it and then case Kobe I locked in though in it. It's got to be locking. It's got me luck. Okay music. Okay. Now it's good music but we're past that we know it's good. But yeah, okay. Okay, cool. I'm the original. Yeah, look out for me here. Yeah, a lot of people are going to get noticed today though podcast could be Poppin. So after you for people who may not know like what is this Cipher that is talking about? Yeah, like when I was in my first year at Uni I did sign on page called Remy sounds so I worked with Red Bull to do. New freestyles and ciphers and I had people like Heidi on their notes gems young gems and a couple others down a big Zoo who are size and Ramsey was on there as well. So yeah, I'll I didn't come to the Red Bull Studios deal for you style and upload it to my YouTube channel, but what I'm videos are good for the little blue, right? It is all before they blew this is nice before Addison Lee this is that Heidi before and sand and all that. I did you select these artists. Yeah. Hit them up here. I'm an A&R the you already man. It's big big so next question. Hyah, and so you guys have talked about how you got where you got in social media and the power of that and then you're a and our side and it's become as come for you because of your taste but what I cut what we were kind of wondering my junior Here the legal side kind of you know, the mechanics of how you how you did and you got but like I guess our question is at what point did you get skilled at the legal side? So like is it something where a month ago because this is something I feel like it's Talked about a lot in the conference. We got a lot of conferences and it's almost like this Hidden Side like obviously lawyers, you know, that's why they get paid so much and stuff, but I was almost wondering like, you know, when you made your money for your social media posts and all that like did you start investing that into lawyers? It has somebody in your family who's get it locked cuz obviously that's a huge part of what you do, isn't it? When you say legal side is that to do is just a musical with arpeggio. Everything is every deal you sign all the contracts all that. It's a month ago. Yeah. So how did you do before then? We didn't know it was a little Really just handshake like it's a trust thing. It should yeah you want this place is insane. It sounds a bit insane when you say that because like I mean, I understand because when your Grassroots it's a lot about trust and handshake and gentlemen's agreements up. But at what point do you so I guess you just now kind of saying just now bringing the more proper legal side on board after operating this long as that, right? Yeah with the label what really trying to make money and so probably like what recently that we won't really Implement focused about that. We were all just like hell Nice. Yeah, and then realize I love eyes are Kind Checks and make a lot of money from it which is why we made a label and not just the artists because that was the intention but other labels were yeah making money off these artists that we actually put out there initially. So we thought why can't we be that label because we're still be helping them, but at the same time we benefit as well. So do you have some like you have a firm that you're really good relationship with understand you that you're working with now legal? Yeah, it's you guys got a team that you're happy with that. Yeah. Yeah, and are they kind of sorry just asked this question. Are they kind of get older and experienced or that young like you no, no, no. Okay. They could Sheridan's. Okay, it's cool. Just gonna give it away. I think also my junior Here is a producer DJ radio guy, but he kind of we always talk about that safe secure side of the business that legal is got to be part of it. And I think it's just not mention very much in these conferences. So yeah, it's need to get the lawyers on that before they do sign deals because a lot of us, do you get finessed? Good luck and good accountant. Yeah, good content as well. If we let Burke, let's take you back to your sacrum release with swarms that how much did you sign up single for? I was once a guess. I'm going to guess you guys can guess like not gonna let anyone put I figured anybody want to guess just to shout out. Sure. Swarms swamps the like a single. 0 pound we signed it 4-0 pound of songs. We had a 50-50 JV with him. And then we had that song 50/50 JV means the song is us but it's like you make 50% of everything soul mates. So we get Sam you get it's done and we hope to put out so a joint venture as a joint venture yet. So we did that and then we promoted the song we got this on gas. Stop everyone to hear the song. I was gassed about like all and then that's one order bigger labels like but let's be real like her than got playlist to yeah, but playlist ID got tired and all that and that's right. Right. Right, right. He's not being too humble. It's got to be humble. But sometimes you just gotta let it out. So basically you got added to Spotify playlist. Most established artist client. You got an artist called swarms fresh. What was the first playlist swarms appeared on? I think his new music Friday you got that, you know, right Friday so I can release. Yeah, he would be rap UK who we be in that make a playlist as well. You know, you know these playlists and not easy to get yeah, like yeah, you know, especially for someone else got know he had like two songs out apart from my car. Like I did like thrown akane the first day on YouTube views, right? And yeah, it went it was not you tried to 66 yea tried 66 first week. Which again I'm just going to be cap is an amazing visual charts for 20 and a 22 year old to team up for our track no money and hit the charts 266. That's like that's the dream man. That is the dream writer you're doing it and then a label came in to pick up the Swarms track from you guys, right? Yeah, there was one label and interest before anyone else which is why we gave that song to that label because once the song dropped is when every label just came start emailing swarms not know. That we would like we had the song so that you many songs like yo, we heard you give this song to be okay, we can offer you more money and I were like really laughing about it because songs are sending us the email start showing us all these labels trying to take the song but we signed the song is all done and that so no label could take it. So how much does that truck sign for? We saw that track to version 4 85 85 85 Grant to version for a second release. And you just left University? Yeah. Any more questions and say your name as well as my stage name or my actual name, whatever. So my stage name is Pablo Mari. Are you can find me on Instagram at public Maori music. So I'm just going to shut myself out there have my actual name is Malachi or Chi whatever you want to go with but you might have doing bits. I can't lie, but do you guys actually do like label deals with? Just like well, yeah now serious now. Yeah, so you actually sign a nice so they're going to be under the we are be okay label. Yeah, that's good. I like that. We've got like probably six seven tracks ready for 2019. Okay any artists who are upcoming in particular that you guys are looking at? We can't give that away. Yeah, that's potentially going to kill it. I'm sorry if I sound stupid but took a like am from 410 or am like yeah singer. Oh my God, not him. Alright cool love. Yeah, just one more time. That's Pablo music pilot my music on instantly. I'm a rapper. So shout me if you need me taking my coffee. Hey man on the beat. I know most of all right. We'll do one more question before we wrap up - Jessica. I was just wondering is it just Grime artist you sign or are you looking tonight you sayin singers decide anything that's going to do well. You prefer and your nah or is it Poppin Off is? Yeah notnot like it. We don't really follow the trend says not what it's not what's Poppin Off is what we like that we wouldn't sign something that we don't like just because trending we're going to pass on that you would expect us to part which is gonna be crazy. Do do do some producers as well or is it just what we don't sign producer but we will work with producers under the management we do. Yeah, but we managed producer. Yeah, we manage producers. All right, we're going we're going to do more questions until we get kicked out. So yeah any other questions is that guy in the middle? Hello. Hey guys, my name is incredible. I'm a singer-songwriter since I've been sitting here. I've heard so much talk about male artists and who you're pushing through and yes the scene in the UK is so heavily on male's I just wanted to know particularly your opinion or what kind of females would you get behind what? Of Style music or I'm a big ol man. I'm a big fan of red black Miss banks that I think Moe music. I didn't bitch. Yeah my music. Yeah, we do we do we do support um, a lot of female artists as well. We've been supporting that we helped Nadia Rose when she was coming up. We did a lot of post for her that we've been supporting a lot of emails cool. Thank you. All right. So the guys at the mics man with where you at hands in the air right now. Yes some back again. Yeah much. I'll prove myself artist name is MK 10 show which is about MK - t enti Al unique, but basically my question is on the motion was like real names. I didn't cut myself loose though. Yeah, but your question I just want to know what the dream is what your end goal is or just your whole Vision in the music scene or even expanding. Side of dot what is your dream or the ending point you want to reach I think for me I want to be at the top of whatever I'm doing. So whether it's social media, whether it's the label whether it's events company or the Vodka, you're not mean I want to be at the top but the same time being a position to help people no matter where I am. I still want to help people because that's what it's been about the whole time. I'd be yes am same. Yeah. All right. Couple more we got time for a couple more. My name is Adam. This is what I want to ask is obviously we know now with music is deeper than music to build a connection. You have to be a brand, you know, I mean you have to expand that so what do you look for in an artist besides their music that draws you to them? Yeah, I think is the look it's also the look now. I want to say this looks because there's a couple things I want to say looks loud. I'm just got to be like we just got to see that that you're working that you're willing to work because there's lots out there doing well, but they're not willing to work just got off their bad luck. But when we look at oh look out for like work effort and then that all that definitely energy as well. Yeah, because that's what stamp stood up from Jordy. energy that when someone's passionate about what they do, you know, I mean But mainly music cheers am School in Madrid and obviously used to made your name on social medium what not and obviously streaming starting to pop up now for artists and stuff like that, but I just want to ask him. What do you use believe is going to be like the next platform or the next way of getting out there if it's not streaming or social media and also streaming still very young and it's probably gonna go further. What do you think? The next thing is or where is the industry government in the next however, many years if it aint social media or stream on things going to be social media for Life a while now Spotify just like did that thing in Africa where you can like, I don't know how to really expand that we'd like to spend that. I mean, I think basically that answer your question and so I don't why aren't you saying? I think where we're at right now is social media streaming. It's only just started. It's only just getting started. You can see like traditional TV channels that they can't compete with the Netflix's or you know, we've what's going on. Everything is on demand. The way that we consume things is it's the way that people live their lives which dictates our technology goes. And I think even with streaming is like, you know the amount of music that you can now access where it's almost like crazy to think the back in the day. We used to buy MP3s and then before that we used to buy these things called CDs and then before that we were bad. Things called vinyl like as where people were buying bigger property to the house the music collection that doesn't happen anymore. And I think I think a lot of things that are going to happen in the future. I think that beyond that comprehension right now. He's just however our lives lead or dictate what we want to do next how we want to spend our time. All right. We're going to do one more question. Hello. Hyah. My name is Pam be I'm going to stand for this one. I am not an artist or a musician or anything like that. That I've started an all-female production company. I'm currently one of the youngest live female sound engineers in the UK and my question was to you guys about promoting people that are not producers musicians or artists. So how do you promote people to come and produce your shows? So you've got an event on the 23rd. How do you hire people to get them into the industry? And how do you help women get into the industry because it is a worm very male-dominated industry. That's my Social was is p Top Productions bet. Okay underscore Productions. Thank you. Thank you to your question. I'll say the same as music. Everyone has to reach out via email. It's the most professional in this easiest way to reach out to us. Mine's I'm just bait promotions at gmail.com. And I think I think and I think third and to pull off the amazing part is that he does you've already hooked up with a promoter and you've already got a team that's doing stuff. Right? Yeah, and then the event is going to be happening. Is it as a secret? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. The Christmas event is going to be crazy though. That's going to be mad. It's got his gun. He's got tickets to the event. I know the tickets are sold out. Yeah, they were gone. Wow. Well, alright, so I want to thank everybody for coming down today. Make sure you follow to be talks. Make sure you follow who we playlist make sure you follow the bait list. Thank you for everybody for getting involved. You guys have been absolutely Wicked podcast going to drop next Thursday. So we have has been speaking is going to be on that and most of all thank you to empty and and

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Welcome back and happy New Year 2020. It has been quite an exciting start already for many by so many varied standards. When the Holy Spirit gave me this word. I was a little hesitant to break it forth amidst the oceans of good news in other reports, but he reminded me that the beauty of all that we are to experience comes with lessons and consequences, which sometimes involve the seemingly Bad and The Good by his grace. We will remain faithful in order to partake of Heavens blessings instead. So we dive in this is the word of the Lord to us today saying. For the time has come that judgment must begin at the house of God and if it first begin at us what shall the end B of them that obey not the gospel of God? It appears you and my other servants have been defeated and shut down by your brothers and sisters, but it is not so. I was only giving my children time to repent and see the error of your ways now. I will arise and put my house in order now. I will arise and put my house in order. Those that hold onto their pride will suffer great time those that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. In the end all glory will be given to Yahweh the God above all gods and when my bride wakes up, the sifting will begin and birthing the true preparation of my son Jesus return. Confess your sins one to another. That you will be lifted up. And allow forgiveness to become your daily song in order that my grace and love grows among you to show the world you are mine. In that day, my children will sing of how I put them to the test as silver purified by fire. I allowed you to fall into a trap and placed a heavy burden on your backs letting your enemies trample over you but in the end brought you back to Safety in this new season, I walk a straight some replacing of my servants who To resist my leading and I will lift many up who have been down in the pit. If you ask me for anything, I will give you the key is knowing what to ask. This is the word of the Lord come back tomorrow. For more of what his holy spirit has to say to help us grow from Grace to Grace. Have a fantastic day. God bless you.

Welcome back and happy new year 2020. It has been quite an exciting start already for many by so many varied standards. When the Holy Spirit gave me this word I was a little hesitant to break it forth amidst the oceans of good news in other reports but he reminded me me that the beauty of all that we experience comes with lessons and consequences which sometimes involve the seemingly bad and good. By his grace we will remain faithful in order to partake of heaven's blessings instead. So we dive in. This is the word of the Lord to us today saying: "For the time has come that judgement must begin at the house of God and if it first begin with us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? It appears you and my other servants have been defeated and shut down by your brothers and sisters but it is not so. I was only giving my children time to repent and see the error of their ways. Now, I will arise and put my house in order. Those that hold onto their pride will suffer great harm. Those that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. In the end, all glory will be given to Yahweh! The God above all gods! And when my bride wakes up the sifting will begin birthing the true preparation for my Son, Jesus' return. Confess your sins one to another that you will be lifted up and allow forgiveness to become your daily song in order that my Grace and love grows among you to show the world you are mine. In that day my children will sing of how I put them to the test as silver purified by fire; I allowed you to fall into a trap and placed a heavy burden on your backs letting your enemies to trample all over you but in the end brought you back to safety. In this new season I will orchestrate some replacing of my servants who continue to resist my leading and I will lift many up who have been down in the pit. If you ask me for anything I will give you; the key is knowing what to ask for." This is the word of the Lord. Come back tomorrow for more of what His holy spirit has to say to help us grow from Grace to Grace. Have a fantastic day. God bless you.

Self-care is how you take your power back. You're listening to episode 4 with special guests Andrea wise on the let's talk about a podcast. Hi friends. Welcome to my podcast. Let's talk about it. My name is Akashi. I can seye party planner event designer business coach author and founder of Kesh events, and IAnd your host each week. I'm going to bring you conversations about life business events lifestyle weddings and everything in between. Thank you for joining me for today's episode. Let's Dive In this episode is sponsored by anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. It is free and an amazing and easy creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer and could would also help you distribute your podcast through Outlets like Spotify Apple podcast and many more. It is everything. You need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app, or Oh to Anchor that afem to get started on today's episode. I'm chatting with Andrea wise of living wisely. Andrea is a certified nutrition coach and personal trainer based in Chicago with 16 years of experience or chatting about self-care health and wellness and how creative intrapreneurs can live a healthy lifestyle while managing it all. Let's Dive In Yeah. Hi everyone. So I have Andrea wise here and you're so nice to have you in our podcast today. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Yeah, so excited. So this this is especially exciting for me because this is a subject that people really struggle with health and wellness self-care and of course, it's a bit creative intrapreneur being a business owner. We met we wear many hats and I feel like the pressure The stress is enormous and sometimes we never really stopped to take care of ourselves. And I know there's so many layers and we've talked about this a little bit before the show. So I want to suggest have a fun chat about you know, how health and wellness are self-care self-love. I know you gave you coach me a little bit because I was getting tired of myself about 10 minutes ago and you're like, don't do that. So it's I'm so excited. To actually share this with everyone and really just dive deep. So we're going to go into a few questions and I know again self-care super important. So first and foremost, how did you get into the health and wellness industry? Yeah, absolutely. So I'm a small-town girl from a really really small town in Oregon grew up didn't even have a stoplight and grew up there. So, you know, pretty Rule and then me. My way to Chicago for college. I actually played softball and college here at Loyola and growing up was an athlete and did all different kinds of sports and activities from ballet swimming gymnastics, and then eventually ended up playing softball in college. So I've always been really passionate about moving and doing things and being active and playing in college was super fun and taught me a lot about lat. Lots of life lessons and then the opportunity to stay in health and wellness just kind of fell into my lap and I started training when I was still in college, which was great, and I'm so thankful for it to this day. And then instead of going to law school. I continued on in health and wellness and I've literally been doing it for a little over 60. Years. Wow, that's amazing. And I'm sure you've heard like people talk about self-care self-care self-care. I feel like we need to break it down. So what is self care to you? And why is it so important? So self-care is I feel like such a big umbrella of things. All right, I feel like right now a lot of people think of self-care like I need to get a massage. I need to get my nails done. I need to get my hair done. And yes that is a part of taking care of yourself and feeling good about yourself, but there's so many other things like what about your mind? you know self care of your mind taking care of your body, you know, you get one vessel and you need to take care of your body so that it can treat you well, and so you can have good quality of life taking time outside of all of the noise that happens in our daily life, especially as an entrepreneur, you know, we wear so many hats and we're responsible for so many different things and so we're always taking care of Of other people and managing other things but then who's taking care of us, you know, and are you taking care of you so that you can be the best you to show up every day for the people that you're serving, right? You know, so it's a in my opinion self-care is so many things. You know, what are you putting into your body in terms of like the food and the quality of it to nourish yourself to give you energy. Are you sleeping and recovering because that's really the only time Body truly repairs itself. It's during you know deep sleep. So it's I feel like such a big umbrella that people often times just like throw into the bucket of aesthetic type things or kind of like a spa day right spot getting your nails done, which is a version of it's absolutely a layer of self-care but that's not the core right. I'd like to go a little bit deeper when we're talking about self-care, you know terms of like our Mental Health with and r+ like self worth and self taught kind of like talking about before the show making sure that you know, we're showing gratitude and appreciation for the opportunities that we have. I really feel like all those things kind of lump into self-care. Yeah, it's pretty deep and because and just to kind of update you guys so we literally went just grab coffee across the street and I was like, oh guess what? I just got a bite. And you were asking what kind of bike was talking about it and I explained that this morning. I had a conversation a battle with myself about get up go ride get up get on your bike and I did not and I literally went like when I feel so useless can't believe I didn't actually do that one hour in your like don't do that. Yeah, because there you are, you know, you've set the goal to get up and to ride for an hour and for whatever reason it didn't happen. But it's only it's only 12:30. You still have so many other opportunities to move and take care of your body. It doesn't mean that because you didn't didn't ride this morning that your whole entire day is shot. And it doesn't mean that there are other things that you can still do in a positive manner for you and by kind of Shifting your mindset and saying, you know, I didn't ride because I don't know there wasn't a client a client emergency so that had to you know, Take priority or whatever happened. It doesn't mean that you're a bad person and you don't have to tell yourself that you failed because you know, you didn't you didn't do something that was on your checklist for the day, right? So just taking like a miss not missed opportunity. But if you maybe don't hit a goal in the morning, there's still plenty of time and looking for like a positive outcome. Okay, there are so many other hours in the day, right? So yeah you woke up you plan to ride for an hour. Well, because you didn't ride. It doesn't mean that your days over you still have I don't know ten ten more hours the could do something. So there's lots of other opportunities and it doesn't mean that because you didn't ride this morning. Maybe you meditate for 5 or 10 minutes, you know, maybe you just do some body weight things in your home when you get home later tonight. There's other opportunities that you can still kind of take care of you. So interested in it's easy when you say it. Makes sense, but I realized I was not in that mindset this morning. It was just more like oh bummer I didn't do it. I didn't do it fail. I gotta go to work. Now. I'm now I'm like terrible because we often do it. Yeah, let myself down. So I think you know, one of the things that I said to you to was you need to be a little kinder to yourself. I think that it's really important that we have goals and we hold ourselves to a certain standard, but we also have to understand that life. Happens and just because we have a perfect schedule planned out on our calendar and everything mapped out. It doesn't mean that it's always going to happen like that and that's okay, but it's about how do you how do you shift when something doesn't happen to making sure that you're kind of still staying on track and still staying on Pace to move forward, you know, it's about kind of like the consistent daily effort that you're making to do things for yourself. Matter how small or big man be so you're saying the keys to stay positive? Hmm, Mike step away from the negative and think about a positive way to turn that around. Yes daily daily exactly like, you know instead of you saying okay. I miss my ride morning this morning. That was just absolutely terrible. I'm a terrible human, you know, you could say I didn't ride this morning. But I got to I was able to do this instead, whatever it was that you did. Maybe you maybe you needed to read for a little while in the morning, you know, and then you have an opportunity later to do to do something else. Yeah instead of just like throwing in the towel. Yeah saying you wasted the whole entire day because you didn't get this one thing and it doesn't ruin the day. What does it mean that you're a bad person? Yeah, you know it does. In that you've failed and you can't achieve your goal, you know, the things that we do as business people and entrepreneurs and even when you're planning events and things, you know, it's not it's not a super linear trajectory directory in terms of like progress, you know, it's kind of bumpy, there's ups and downs and then there's gradual growth that happens. And so that's the same thing that happens with us as humans when we're trying to do. Something or achieve something and when we're trying to change our Behavior, you know, it would be different. If you were like Andrea for the last five years every single day at 6 a.m. I get up and I ride on my bike, you know, that's a behavior that you've that you've set and that's just kind of like you getting up and brushing your teeth. Right? But this is a newer behavior that you're trying to implement and It's not part of your daily routine like brushing your teeth, right? So it's not going to happen every day. And that's okay, but can you get it to happen, you know, maybe 30% of the time then 40 and 50, you know, and then maybe you get up to like five days a week. You're riding the bike most of the time, you know, like what can you do to kind of implement that gradual Behavior change? Wow. Yeah. It's like I said when you say it, it's everything. You're saying makes sense. It's just how do you get to how do you remember to to do like, where do you even get started? Right so you work with a lot of like creative entrepreneurs, especially planners and designers like myself and most of her listening. So, where do we get start? Like, how do we become I guess fix our minds. Where do we get started? Like so there's there's a couple different things that I can suggest so Recently, I'm actually on morning 15 of doing the 5-minute Journal. Okay, so if you don't know anything about it it is it's just a little journal and it's supposed to be the first thing that you do when you wake up in the morning. So you're not grabbing your phone. All right, you're waking up. There's a quote at the at the top and then you write three things. That would make your day. Great you write a daily affirmation for something, you know. Whatever it is, he right that in and then there's oftentimes I have another question or two to kind of get you in a positive mindset and getting you to start your day showing appreciation and gratitude and there's a lot of psychology behind that in terms of like mine set and shift and then it's also supposed to be the very last thing that you do. Oh and your day just to reiterate so you can read the things that you wrote in the morning. You can say three things that And in your day that major date great and a couple things that could have made your day better and then you just kind of like do this every morning and every evening and so it's a really great way to just start that one little act to start to shift your mindset. So living in that kind of like every day I'm waking up and there's these positive things and then you know, I'm going to bed at night and I'm saying what I'm grateful for and you know what I've achieved so you can kind of celebrate the is along the way because I feel like that's one of the things that we as entrepreneurs and you know, especially as women I feel like we're so focused on how do we get there that we miss all of the things that happen every day in terms of the little winds that we have and we don't celebrate our success. So that's one way another thing that I would suggest is having some accountability. So whether that is a coach that you're accountable to if It's a maybe you have an account an accountability buddy. Maybe that's your husband or your best friend or your partner. But you saying aloud I am going to do X goal and putting it out into the universe and then having someone check in on you or someone that you are checking in with to say whether or not you are achieving these things because we're all goal-oriented right we went we wanted to achieve things. We want to be successful. Peaceful. If you have a client that comes to you with this like grandiose idea of like a beautiful dinner and a beautiful wedding like you want to give that to them, right? So if we put those same standards and expectations on the goals that we set for ourselves like how much could we really accomplished? Because we don't want to let ourselves down like you wouldn't want to let your client down, right? So how do we do those things for our self and a lot of times it comes through Behavior change, which you can do with a coach or an accountability. Or just kind of like these little daily mind mindset positivity shifts. Yeah, I think one of the most part one of the things you said to me earlier there was I found really powerful was like I said, oh I struggle daily with balance and you're like, that's everyone. Mhm. I think you know everyone that's everyone and I was like, okay and it's all relative and I personally don't like the word balance because when's the last time you felt balanced and Everything's just like totally okay. I was there's really fires. Right? Exactly. And so I feel like if we're trying to achieve this this standard of imbalance quote unquote, then we're setting ourselves up for failure because most of us are never going to be in Balance, especially if we're an entrepreneur or you know, we're in the service industry. So we're working with clients and that have expectations and there's oftentimes all of these variables that are Outside of our control and we have to be okay not having control of those things but still feeling like we're making progress, you know, so there might be one day where you have more time for yourself and you can give yourself more and you can fill your cup so to speak and then there might be days where your client facing and you're dealing with a stressful situation. And so maybe that's emptying your cup, you know. You're kind of like out of balance so to speak but it's kind of like how can you manage that like give and take and the pole and the receive so that you feel for whatever, you know you're doing or how ever you are kind of like at peace. Yeah with where things are because it's always going to be you know seasonal in terms of time. I like busy times something stressful that randomly happens with family and emergency, you know, so just That like, you know feelings n and like being on a beach with you know, sunshine. I'm like a beverage in your hand is not like it's not reality. It's a quick fix, right and just accepting that, you know, you like you might have some stress in your day and that's okay and it doesn't mean that you're out of balance. Sure. So ski stress is okay stress is okay because think about think about what stress does it push. Has you to be a little bit better to it motivates you to achieve a little bit more? Yes, and there's that balance board again that I don't like but without the appropriate amount of stress, then we're not trying to achieve anything more. We're just kind of like oscillating and hanging out in space. But if we have a little bit of stress or a little bit of motivation, you know, you're trying to like go just a little bit further than Dead before in a manageable way then that's healthy because that is putting you on the growth trajectory. Right? So it's like you're push it's like a little push like a little a little tug as opposed to like, you know, I yank, you know, those love completely more someone like pulling the rug out from under you and yeah completely discombobulated and fall, you know, that kind of like gentle push and a little bit of stress. I really feel like his healthy because it's it's how we grow and it's how we get better, you know, and we you're talking about something earlier and times. I personally can say that I've grown the most is when I've had a struggle or had some adversity and have felt really bad or you know have kind of had to take a step back and figure things out that's where I felt character, you know, that's where it comes in and that's kind of how you Grow and get better if everything's easy all the time. Yeah, then it's just kind of easy almost it. Will you feel like you're stagnant or not. We need that push. I know I do and I kind of unrelatable two of you if you talk to someone like if you talk to another planner who's never had anything go wrong, right? Like well don't like we do our same job. Like, who are you working with? What is what is this about? You know, but if you can trade stories about oh my gosh, I had this one. This happened one time and this is how I fixed it or this happened. And you know, this is what I was able to do to kind of like send her myself or calm myself to get through this then you learn something about yourself you share something with someone else. So maybe they can be more prepared when they're experiencing some kind of like adversity or a challenging time. Yeah. So you're so I like the idea what you mentioned earlier about writing. So I do have two gratitude journals. I love That can't find them. Okay. Well, you know so my goal was to have it by my bed. So but you said write three things that you would not just that you're grateful for you saying write three things you would like to achieve for the day so so so both so you can you can write two or three things that you are grateful for or have appreciation for so it might be something as simple as I'm grateful for the warm bed and the great Night sleep that I got last night, you know or I'm grateful for my supportive husband, you know, and then you can say a couple things that would make your day great and that could be like getting a new client or maybe it could be having having lunch with a girlfriend or it could be getting that workout in. You know, it can be very very small things but it's but it's a mindset shift in terms of Of something that's positive so that you are focusing on that. Yeah, and then at night you're saying right three things that you're grateful to accomplish that day that happened that day. Yes, so it could be as simple as like I had two incredible meetings today or I had a delicious lunch and you know feel really good about how I feel old and nourished my D. Yeah, you know so it could be really small things. It doesn't have to be anything like crazy. You know, like I had a six-figure day like something absurd against a small things and they'll change over time obviously as your mindset shifts, but just really small things and the other the other thing that happens in the journal is saying something that would have made it better something that would have made your day even better. So Could have been you know, my day was great but it would have been better if I talked to my mom and shared it with her or would have been better. If I talked to my sister today, it would have been better. If I had five minutes to play with my dog, you know, like little little things. Yeah. Wow, that's really helpful. And again, I never you know, I see that I think they think it's cute. We have a gratitude Journal but actually understanding. What it does and how to wrap up your day. So it's like we start the day positive but like ending on that note. I think even that definitely helped me because we go to sleep with so much weight. Right right oftentimes we go to sleep thinking about all the things we didn't do we didn't accomplish or what didn't go well. Yeah, but if we shift it and say these are the things that made my day great. These are the things that went. Well this What I learned from the day or appreciate from the day. Yeah, then again, you're kind of like reinforcing that positive mindset and the psychology piece that you know happens in your brain when you do that is just so powerful. Well, yeah, that's the I'm going to try mine tonight, you know, if you think about it, it's just it's just a few minutes. Hmm. It's literally just a few minutes that you are. Essentially giving to yourself and allowing yourself, but the the impact that it can have at the beginning and the end of your day is just so so great. Wow. Yeah. No, I love it. I love it. So I came with so I'm going to write mine so that you're saying but the keys to leave the journal by your bed. Yes. Yeah and keep that handy. Yes. Yeah. I was telling you earlier that I'm testing out like I've been reading About habits or ways to live a better lifestyle and that's one of the reason why I even thought about you when I was thinking about outcasts and one of the things I read was getting like your old school alarm clock. Hmm and then putting your phone away. Yeah, which is probably the heart like try to yank. Someone's iPhone from their hands. Uh-huh, especially a business owner. Like the first thing we do is get on our phones and God is doing and check on emails. So like any tips on Mike house. How to kind of bring us back to better habits like or how can we not get in our phones in the morning the first thing in the morning like you write in your Journal right then what right so you write in your journal and then moving so if you think about it, we're sleeping or resting, you know, hopefully you're in bed and sleeping for anywhere from six to eight hours for Recovery. All right, because that's how our bodies regenerate and get stronger and Healthy and then I love having people get up and move and it doesn't mean that they have to write on their bike for an hour. They could just be any kind of gentle movement today in my little journal the little prompt so most times it's a quote but every now and then there's like a little challenge. So my little challenge this morning, no joke was get up and dance for a minute and I was like, oh my God, and there's something that's very powerful. Wuerffel about that and a lot of coaches have different clients. I've worked with a lot of Executives and they were coaches who are like you just need to dance like no one's looking. So what did I did I did I got up and I dance for a minute in my bedroom and felt like a complete idiot, but the energy shift that happens, you know, when you move your body and you just don't care about what you look like don't care about, you know, no one's watching. You're just kind of the freedom that comes from that and then after you've been lying down, you know, you're getting up and you're moving your body. So that was legitimately the first thing I did this morning. That wasn't what I was essentially talking about. So moving your body after you've been sleeping. Yeah is a really great way to kind of like help with blood flow, you know getting getting things moving in your body getting muscles warmed up. So just doing a small little Mobility. Routine, you know, maybe taking five or 10 minutes and just doing like I said some simple stretches even just some breathing exercises can be really kind of like grounding and calming and centering and you know, some people like to get up and exercise right away. I typically after I read in my journal I get up and I use my there again the kind of like helps with the Nervous system and you kind of like activates and a week like makes everything awake and helps with like blood flow and gets heat into into your muscles. So I like doing I like doing that and then I typically have my, you know, my morning coffee my little coffee routine and then I might read a little bit. So the power of doing that versus just picking up your phone right away. Think about think about waking up. And then all of a sudden being thrown into like a crazy night club party, right? So like there's all this like noise like you're really improve like you're not prepared. There's all this loud music. There's people bumping into you. There's you know, people asking you questions, that's kind of what it's like if you just wake up and open up your phone and you start checking emails and you start checking Instagram. You start doing all these things because You haven't even like had a moment to yourself and all of a sudden you're being inundated with all these things like that is crazy and right and it doesn't stop right and so you're you're not creating any boundaries, you know, you aren't protecting yourself for the day and you aren't setting yourself up to have the best day possible. So really like setting some boundaries and just being protective of yourself because it is such a Gateway, you know you open A up your phone and then you know 10 20 30 minutes later. You're like, oh my gosh. I'm still sitting here. I've just been looking at this or responding to people's emails or all these other things and you haven't done anything for yourself. No, it makes total sense to like start your day. Like he's into your day. But also like give yourself some love and kindness before you give other people love right, right, you know that that example that I gave of like waking up and being in a nightclub on sun or it's just if someone if you woke up and all of a sudden you had to start sprinting right away, right? Like you're not crazy. You're not prepared for that. Yeah, it's the same thing. Wow, that happens with our minds. If we don't, you know kind of like settle in Yap are take care of us before we start answering and tending to other people because it's not going anywhere right like your phone still going to be there. All those messages are still going to be there. Nothing is going to self-destruct. If you don't get to it, you know within like say that minutes. Yeah, but in 2 minutes of waking up granted there are emergencies that happened but you know, that's not going Going to be hopefully an everyday situation scenario. Yeah, that makes total sense. Wow. So how early do you wake up? It really depends anywhere from five to seven am kind of depending on what my previous day look like and what my upcoming day looks like I have clients that I sometimes have to see later and or now have to Entertainer have dinners just like everyone else does but that I have clients who sometimes need to start earlier or sometimes. I just want to get up and get my work out and get some of those things done so that I can get it done and out of the way and then start my day. So normally that five to seven window and I am okay. Yeah. I'm not a morning person so in I beat myself up for that for some reason Make just cannot accept that I'm not a morning person, but I'm really not I'm honestly not a morning person either. I'm such a night owl I'm super productive at night. Like it's super easy for me to stay up late. I've intermittently had insomnia sleep issues and problems. So it's so I'm not really a morning person. But I've just done it for so long and it ends up being what works out best for me and my dad. Day and kind of like being productive the way that I feel good about so, okay. Yeah, I want to ask you about working out. So I mean that could be anything but what how many days in a week do you recommend what would our visitors talk about just a general idea of working out and why it's important. But how many days minimum do you recommend working out? And what do you have any favorite? I know there's so much now from kickboxing to Peloton cycling and running. So if you want to get your take on working out, especially for business owners, so you're not gonna like my answer because I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all situation for anyone when it comes to nutrition or when it comes to working out some people some people don't have any aches or pains or any previous. It's injuries and they can you know be super active and do a diverse, you know variety of things, you know, maybe Pilates one day maybe cycling one day, you know, maybe they work with a trainer and you know lift a couple times. It really all depends on the individual and their goals and what works for them and their lifestyle. I actually just did a little kind of like quick Instagram TV video recently. About what happens in the other hours of your day outside of working out and so ideally, yes, we want to work out move do something daily so that we're taking care of our body. You know, we get one body. Yes. So we need to take care of it, but I feel like what is even more important outside of your exercise time as what's happening during the rest of the hours in your day. Like are you working out for one hour? And then literally just sitting the rest of the day or are you not working out at all? But you're really active and you're moving around and you're doing things, you know, because sitting is the new smoking, oh my gosh, so that came out a while ago, but we're so sedentary. We're on our computers all the time. We're on our phones all the time and we're just moving less and our bodies are meant to move and it's one of those situations where Help we have the ability to move and once you start moving less your body really starts having to move as much as it did so it doesn't move as well. So I like to kind of tell people that we want to meet you where you are and figure out what your goals are. And what is kind of like doable that little push that we were talking about because it's not about it's not about me. Me, you know, it's always going to be about you and what your goal is and how are you feeling? You know, do you do you feel better after you take that spin class and you sweat a time and you're just, you know in the moment with other people and that energy in the room or do you feel better when you lift some heavy weight so that you can like feel strong and build strong bones, which is important for women, especially as we age. Oh boy, so so No, there's not. I don't have an answer. Like it's not you need to work out five times a week or three times a week. No. Yes, you need to be active and do some kind of quote unquote work out. But you also want to try and be active outside of your work out. Our however many times that is per to her week. Wow, so you're saying that with the keys movement just get moving, but if you do work out, it's what you do outside. After your workout is it makes sense? That's a that's a that's a big piece because if you're if you're just working out for 1 hour 30 minutes a day, but you're sitting the rest of the day and you're only working out say three times a week. Then that's really only three times a week that you're getting any kind of movement. And then the rest of the time you're just super sedentary. So that's not going to be very healthy, you know for you and the long run. And again, we have seasonal things right if you're working on a ton of events during any given season then maybe you're going to have less time but it's like I like to you know focus on how can you get as much bang for your buck out of the time that you have? Yeah, you know relative to what you have going on. So maybe it's not a super high event season. So you have more time that you can kind of like spend on yourself and spend on self-care or the workouts or other things to keep your Mind in your body, you know strong and to keep you healthy and then during times of busy event season or whatever else then it's more focusing on maintaining and focusing on the foods that you're putting in your body so that you can maintain while you're in the season of less time for you. Don't you? Hmm. Wow. Well, we have a long list of things not to do it a lot of changes to make what you said like, we'll start slow start. Somewhere because it's not ever like we're just again just trying to get back from I guess mindset shift and behavioral shifts in like small changes doing something and not being negative and we don't hit that goal for the day because there are many more hours in a day to make it up somehow. Okay, what about going to bed? How you said six six to eight hours of sleep of recommended everyone? A little bit different. Yeah, I I use this fancy little thing called a loop band. Oh, wow. It's called a week band and I have been using it for quite a while. It's actually approved by some professional sports teams. It's been used by people in the Olympics and whatnot. And this is what I use to kind of like help manage my sleep and my recovery, okay. Um, so I say that because it's not the same for everyone some people do really well and perform at a high level and don't need a lot of sleep. I don't need a ton of sleep to perform. Well, depending on you know, kind of the activity level of my day my business one of my business partners in our kind of athletic training corporate Wellness stuff. He wears a boot band as well and he really only Only sleeps maybe an hour or two consistently every every night. It's crazy and the it's green yellow and red in terms of like Readiness to perform. So green is like go yellow as like, you know, okay and then read as like, oh God, you should like relax recover hydrate like dot move so much and he can sleep just a few hours kind of all the time and be in green and yellow All the time work out all these things. I'm like if they had that many hours in a day. I could be so productive. So again, it's kind of it's not a one-size-fits-all thing for four people and it's also you know, it's also seasonal and terms of like you might have a strenuous workout day in terms of the exercise that you're doing, but your body also takes on stress because of things that are going Going on with your business your you know, your family kind of like how you're doing and feeling about yourself. There is other ways that our body takes on stress outside of just physical activity. And so sometimes if we didn't do any physical activity, but we're in a high-stress situation, you know consecutively then we're going to need more rest and recovery. So the mental mental side of it too. Yeah, does it vary for you male to female in terms? Like sleep or it's just the bodies the body. It's just kind of the body is is the body, you know, there's other things that kind of contribute to how well you sleep. There's a thing called Sleep hygiene. So boy just like we talked about brushing our teeth and kind of what you touched upon earlier about not having that the phone in the bedroom. So our bedrooms should really be a place of rest and Recovery. Right, so think about think about like if you train a dog to go outside and you know, you get a puppy or training at to go outside to go to the bathroom, right? You want your dog, and I don't even have a dog but you want your dog to know that like, okay I'm taking you out. It's time for you to go to the bathroom. Let's kind of the same situation. Wow, when were talking about preparing our body for sleep at night? There's all these other things that affect our quality of sleep and our Readiness for sleep. So if you're someone who Is always on a device right before you go to bed, you know, the light that is emitted from the device is going to impact your ability to sleep. Well because of what the light is emitting and what happens with our brains so not being on a device, you know for a while before we go to bed will help with your Sleep Quality. All right, because sometimes right we you go to sleep and you wake up the next morning and you're like God a dive like I've been in bed for eight hours, but I feel like I've slept too and there might be other times where you go to bed and you've slept five hours and you wake up and you're like man, I could like run a marathon. Yeah, like I have all of this energy and so it's really about training our body to get quality sleep and everybody's a little bit different but making sure that you know, our phones aren't by our bed, you know, not having electrical devices and TVs and other things and are Bedroom so that our body knows when I go into this place. It's for a time, you know rest. Wow. That's so interesting. I find it fascinating so many changes like he said but like one of the things like a TV in the bedroom, typically you like I'm just going to relax and like watch a little TV in my bed or sometimes we bring our laptops to oh, that's terrible. It's so bad and I'm guilty of doing I just do it for the longest like the longest time but then your body then you're training yourself to say. Okay. I I'm I'm going to do this work in my bed on my laptop and you know, maybe you're dealing with like stress or other things and then when it's time to go to sleep, it's you know, you're sending confusing signals to yourself in terms of like what that space is used for and I've started, you know, reading about it and studying it more recently especially kind of like after this and it's really fascinating to me because You know, you can retrain your you know, your body to do different things. Yeah, it's about kind of doing it consistently and that's one of the things that I feel like is a huge piece, you know, so we've talked a lot about behaviors and mindset and working out and all these things and what I what I oftentimes see people struggle with especially entrepreneurs is, you know, we're over here on the left side. And we haven't been doing any of these things, right and then we wake up or you know a new day or Monday comes or January first comes Andre, like I'm going to do all these things and it's like, right. Okay. Are you really like? No, it's not realistic, you know, just kind of like what we talked about. We want to set small kind of attainable things that we can build upon so that we feel good about it so that we aren't Beating ourselves up and feeling like we've failed, you know, so setting one small goal and then accomplishing that feeling good about it. It's now part of our daily routine. Like we're brushing our teeth and then we added another one, you know, and then we add in another one so that cumulatively over time it's had a positive Snowball Effect until like bigger better things that are influencing our different choices and things that we're doing throughout our day, you know to kind of like shift from the EFT over at oh like more of the middle, you know so that we're more mindful of health and wellness and things that we can do because it's really, you know, one or two small things and small changes and our behaviors can have such a big impact and it happens over time. It has to happen with consistency. So with these little chain these major little changes here and there we can be interned better business owners better. Yes. Yes, better planners better designers who are clients better friends, but otherwise, yes, all of those things. Yeah, absolutely all those things because you know, think about think about a time when you were when you were super stressed and you may be felt really depleted how good of a wife are you then? You know, like, how how well are you doing at showing up for yourself? You know, how well are you able to to serve your Clients, you know and other people and friends that you care about probably not as well as you would like. Yeah, you know and so making sure that we're doing things and for for different people those are you know different things we get our cup filled and Phil fulfilled and kind of like more at peace in different in different ways. But doing those things consistently helps us be better business people because we are taking care of ourselves. Elves and then we can show up as our best person for for the person that we're trying to work with or serve you know, and that's that's really why we're business owners, right? And that's why we do what we do and we get gratification and feel appreciated when we make other people happy, right? Yeah, and so it's like how how can we put ourselves in a position to be in the best place to do that? Best that we can wow, that's amazing. I mean, there's so many like I'm learning so much from our conversation. I'm sure everybody else is but again, it's just little changes little shifts. So when we grab coffee earlier, you asked me a question. You asked me if I had water. Yes why so our bodies are primarily made up of water and I think that that's fascinating because there's all these other things that go along with water. Are you know we talk about the water on the earth and like the moon and the sun cycle and you know, all the crystal blue stuff that I also like but when we are dehydrated we oftentimes think that we're hungry. All right, which is a big thing when we're talking about nutrition. Mmm. So that's why I was like did you hydrate before you caffeinate? So drinking water throughout the day is really important. It's also Winter here right now. So it's also a way that we can help kind of boost our immune system by staying hydrated lots of chemical reactions in our bodies require water as the medium in order for that to happen and then we obviously, you know excrete things through urination and whatever else which our bodies don't want in us, so if we're not drinking enough water, And then just think about like all the garbage that just continues to circulate throughout, you know, throughout your body. And so we want to make sure that we're staying hydrated because sometimes if we're dehydrated we might feel sleepy. Like I said, we might feel hungry when it's really just like thirst and it's just such a huge piece because it's what our bodies are primarily made up of wow. I have to drink more water. Yeah, that's it. So water so you recommend as soon as you wake up, like the first thing you do is drink water. I keep Water by my bedside. I drink a pretty big glass of water in the morning before I pull my you know, before I make my little coffee concoction and then water water throughout the day, you know, people feel like it's cold outside. You know, I'm I don't want to drink water. I don't like cold water but room temperature water because throughout the day not only Are we losing water? Because you know, it's just evaporating off of our skin. It's also how our body cools itself. So say say you're dehydrated and you try and work out your body is going to have more challenging time cooling itself because you might not have as much water to sweat. All right, so water is very very important. So yeah water first thing in the morning water throughout the day chain. A lot of water and a lot of water. Wow, so I'm learning again so much just from our conversation in the conversation prior and I feel like there's just taking these tips and just starting one tip at a time. One thing one thing why not all of it one one at a time in celebrating like you said, so stopping to celebrate one thing that you did right right versus waiting to complete all of it before your and be kinder to yourself. So those are Probably my one of the biggest takeaways and like so many other things and I know you're sharing. So in the show notes were adding you're going to share a resource. Yes. So in the show notes, there will be some download it'll be a little thing that you can go to and download. So I'm going to be sharing some of these specific tips with you that you can kind of pick one and start to implement or you know start to think about to kind of like help you after this episode amazing. Thank you so much for being here. So before we wrap up, I have some just fun questions. I like to give our guests. Yeah, so if you could have lunch with anyone, who would it be let's see. I feel like I was asked this question a while ago and God, I like really struggle with these questions. I would have to say say I would have to say Michelle Obama. Oh, yeah, um because as a as a woman and an entrepreneur, you know what she has done and what she has been through and the fact that she is married and has a family and has a career like I love talking to two women about that because I'm not married. I have a career. I don't have a dog. You know, I'm just trying to take care of myself. I'm like, how do these people do it? Like so I would just have so many questions about kind of maybe sacrifices that she's had to make yeah or things that she's maybe had to put on the back burner for a little bit or how she managed that you know, because she's done so many great things. Yeah, and I think she's such an amazing woman. Yeah, and I'm just like hat like how So, please like spread the tips throw me doesn't look she's definitely a good one to have lunch with uh-huh. And those are really good questions. I have questions too. I mean I have so many questions. I could probably like list off. Yeah. Oh my gosh. This has been so good. I don't want to let you go. So how can our listeners find you I am on the gram at Andrea underscore wise underscore. That's probably where I'm at most but I'm also on LinkedIn and my website is and Why is lifestyle.com so all of those places? I'm on Facebook to so kind of everywhere with thank you so much. This has been so great. This has been amazing. We can't wait. I can't wait to have you back because I feel like with this there's layers and there's so many things we can talk about. So looking forward to having you back and talking more about nutrition and health and wellness and lifestyle and habits and like all these things that we just talked about. So yeah amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much. It was fantastic. This is awesome. Thank you. 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I really really appreciate it. But was a great cold over there. We got to get the fans on board with this season with this episode. There was so much that went on it was it was juicy. I felt like I was reading some TMZ for a little but yeah, definitely felt that way we are gonna go over every single one of these characters for the most part because in this episode it really did focus on a ton of characters unlike last week's which really just Focused on the two different families and the dynamic. So we're going to talk about that. And then we do have our very special segment that I always look forward to called MVP which the Kia will be spearheading here. But with that being said, I'm your host mean and I Dean and to my left we have Zakia who always comes up with the best MVPs and is my MVP right here. Is it over here and talking sports behind the scenes and she does know a lot about sports and Chris knows a lot to do nothing about this conversation. I was just on the on the outside looking in but we're very excited to talk all things All-American today, but are your overall thoughts of this crazy crazy episode. Well, I guess I'll start over all It was so much to graph this episode. We revealed so many Secrets. I think we were all anticipating are waiting to see I think my biggest wow shock moment was the escort part. I wasn't necessarily disappointed, but it was just something that was totally left. Oh, I didn't see that coming. So after mom being a Scorpio you guys. Yeah hit me like a ton of bricks exactly My overall thoughts the last few episodes have just been so intense. We've been crying we have been able to breathe and it was just nice to like get some answers be calm still enjoy the episode and not feel like overwhelmed with all these emotions and just have like an episode that we love. That was not yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it definitely started off very happy with that funeral scene and said happy. Yeah. Tragic things about why the Mother wasn't an actor's life for years and years and years. But when we finally saw me definitely have me shot. That is the endings always have me shocked like last episode was a shocker the This episode was a shocker like what it really didn't make, you know, we'll get into that. Well as your overall feeling if you could summarize your feeling in one word Chris, how did you feel a band of all of this today upset of science? Okay, well dig into that into that. But before we do, I do want to talk about Asher and his mom in that whole weird situation where the mom talks to Olivia first before her own son because that makes Sense, but afterwards she does have a sit-down with her son where she comes clean and says, you know, I was an escort and your father blackmailed me and said, you know, if I ever said this that if I ever like, you know stayed in your life that he would tell you that I'm an escort. So then he told me not to be in your life. It was a lot of drama was really crazy. I kept wondering what happened was he abusive like what happened? And then we find out that he blackmailed her which is so Crazy because he met her through the very thing that she did but there's such a double standard for women, right? Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy to me too. Yeah, I sure couldn't ruin his life to I feel like ruined his life. Well, the he could if he wanted to ruin her life with that secret. She could easily ruined his life with us eager because I mean who wouldn't I mean no man wants it out that they use an escort service, you know? Yeah, but that's like the sugar the sugar daddy. No one gets mad at the sugar daddy. They just like get mad at the sugar bait big shape. The conversation is a kid. I had behind the scenes about Jordan woods and Tristan Thompson and how Truro real but he yeah, Justin Thompson got wailing right - Jordan wide. So I mean, I do understand that in the real world. I do think women bear the bigger front of these things and they get slut shamed for things that men participate and so it sucks. I can't believe that this was the secret. I don't know why I thought it would be something else. Yeah. Also, I feel like this is probably something that he has like held over her head before the situation like you can tell it's something that he's very insecure about and he's projecting onto her and I really just made me wonder what their marriage was like if this was something that he clearly cared about a lot. This is how he met this woman. It's like were you blackmailing her and two other things whenever you were with her like why did it get to the point they are getting divorced? First divorce in the first place. You know what? I mean? Yeah. I definitely felt bad and I didn't like that because I think for the first two seasons at least until this point we've seen the dad portrayed in a very empathetic light where he suffers with alcoholism addiction. That's a mess. Yeah, but I feel like we've kind of like empathized with him despite it all because they kind of tried to humanize him. But with the mom we never really saw what her character Arc was or what her story. Until we found out that there was a secret and now we can kind of understand her a little better. So yeah, I'm curious to know what ends up happening there. Thanks the way like whenever it came to the table that basically he was blackmail your he was like, yeah my biggest building and admitted he just sit back and let her let her stay but exactly to your point like he's an alcoholic. He's clearly manipulated him like he's gone through all these things like everyone's in perfect and then for him to like look at her like she's in Perfect, knowing all the things like he has struggled with it's just so frustrating to meet controlling which I don't which is the domestic like abuse even if it's mentally yeah, it's very true. I feel like people always focus on the physical aspects of abuse when a lot of it is psychological, but you know, he's not the only person who is lying about things and blackmailing and being manipulative because Jordans baby mama isn't really his baby mama know we really find out the truth about that situation. And I did not see this coming at all. We find out after a lot of prep work on Jordans end after he puts together. Well, I guess Olivia put together the little crib for the child that's on its way the bite the baby that's on its way that she just lied because she wanted Jordan to be the father and step up to the plate. Are you guys expecting this at all? I wasn't expecting it. Yeah, I wasn't expecting it. I think I was more. So upset because I even though I wanted to understand where she was coming from. My thought was how long were you going to continue with this loud? So you thinking man? Yes, it's just crazy to think about like I think Sierra you were the one who said that you knew she was crazy. You knew that there was something yeah. Okay. This is what happened, whatever they're at the party and like everyone found out that he was hooking up with all these girls and they were all in the same room. She was the one that was spearheading like we're gonna get him back. She was like, oh no, we're not gonna let him get away with this. And so I don't we also talked about this to I have this feeling that I don't know what was gonna happen, but he was just not going to be a dad in the show. Like I just had this gut feeling it wasn't gonna happen and like yeah, she was crazy from the beginning like we need that which Sad, what's her side? Hmm. I don't think you've thought about this enough, but they are he's I feel like you're going to okay I Gemini I want to say she's a gemini or I kind of want to say a Scorpio. Okay, and I think we saw her on Scorpios are usually kind of like intense and like they kind of have their lives together, but like not really I don't like really open about it. But I think we saw her like the other side of it like realizing her flaws like realizing where she messed up. I'm gonna say And I were Scorpia. What do you think Nina? I don't know. I would just say Gemini because she flipped flopped on my shoe size. They are good people. They flip-flop the yeah her intention what like the ends got she had the means because it was for her child. Yeah break it down. She was like, I just want my child to have the best life possible and his actual dad isn't the best influence. So I'm gonna go after Billy Baker's son. Star Quarterback, whatever and I don't know if I don't know about football. I do love this show because I don't feel like it's just about football. I feel like it's about what football allowed the show to explore. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like Nat who's always in the chat. Thank you. He says that for sure Gemini as well. Yeah. I see that I have nothing against traumatized by the way. I'm Connie Chung and I by the way best friends in Jamaica. Let's talk Coop and patients because patients has been very very patient with Coupe. She has known for a while now, I guess in the episode that Coupe was not telling her about this record deal and about how Layla's dad really wanted to work with her because he loved her voice and she's kind of like waiting for Coop to reveal this and then she finally confronts her and says, when were you planning on telling? To me. You're just gonna hide this from me. I I was like, okay breakups about to happen. I don't know how The Break-Up didn't happen. I'm still shocked by that right but I saved it at the end you have to do is sing a song to song and then everything. Okay, I'm good. Yeah, I think it was yeah, like Coupe just needed to realize it wasn't a competition. It's like just because she's growing doesn't mean that you're not growing and I think she kind of let her guard down and that's all patients. Wanted to see from her like she was like I can't Literally cannot sing the song without you. You know what I mean? I think patients like saw that for what it was and was like, okay we can move past it. If Cooper would have just like kept acting how she was acting payment, but I had a keep it moving patients would have got impatient. That wasn't for me honey, but my not me either but they're like 16. So yeah, right. I think this is a happy moment. You're speaking up in the show where we actually saw that CW moment teenage driver Love Story moment where they're like, Like oh that's where united dance on the dance floor and we're like, yeah, this is bad. And I think patients doesn't necessarily want to be a star even though I think she should but I think she's great. Yeah, she's amazing, but I think she more once it for Coop and she's just if it happens it happens. If it doesn't it doesn't she's not invested. I think it's one of those things where it's like, yes, even if she's not necessarily passionate about singing right now this can translate into like any other aspect of their relationship. Like what do you go? Hide from me that could be like helping my personal groan. Oh, that's literally like whatever and I was watching the whole scene. I was like, this is like Eerie because it's like you have no idea where else this could like turn into a reality and your relationship. This might not be where it actually matters so you can get over it. But if it's something like you actually care about it's like it's not up to you to decide like what opportunities I can and cannot have. Yeah. I feel like it shows a lot of insecurities to because she doesn't want anyone out Shining. Her and it feels like when you're with someone and you love them, you guys want to grow together, but with Coupe, it feels like she wants to be the alpha. She wants to be in charge. She wants to be supported but it doesn't feel like I don't know. I keep thinking about her role in these episodes. It doesn't feel like she's reciprocated things with patients from what we've seen in season 2. It doesn't really feel like she's a support system to patients throughout the course of their relationship everything that I've seen at least has been patients being very patient even How Coupe interacts with her mom and getting her mom on board with them being a couple it just feels like patients. It's always in Cushing s even with the gang violence. She's always just there and trying to support her push her on the right path for sure in the right direction, but I keep thinking what has Coop done like she loves patients, but is that love even Pure or is it a little bit selfish? Yeah. She's not showing that love really wears a Tina Turner. What look that's it. There are so many so many things going on in this episode. We're even with Coop. It's like we haven't seen this storyline in a long time since season 1 but the whole situation was Tyrone is coming back to get her now where she walks out of the convenience store gets her little snack sees Tyrone right there and keep in mind for those of you who don't remember Tyrone and season. And that was the person that she put in jail. She cooperated with the FBI and they got him and but doesn't make sense to me is if she went through all of that trouble to kind of be like the rat or the person who helps the FBI do this he would think that she would get a certain level of immunity and protection from them for doing that. You wouldn't think that he would come out of jail by season 2 and be my heart. Yeah. It's a little crazy. Right? I mean, yeah, we don't know if that was my first thought too. We don't know what's gonna happen yet, but I'm like, she's be like the witness protection program or something like people looking after her and I completely agree. How are you going to be in the witness protection program? Would you want to pursue a career where you're in this Center Spotlight? Like when you change your name and come up with the stage name? Like what would you do but you rarely prosthetic makeup and change your face and know what's that boy - yeah exactly this protection because it still has to be a rapper when he gets out with his weird behind. Yeah. I got the Hannah Montana thing. Just one more. For everyone but I don't think I can do that. Maybe she can like change of her hair and like where I don't know. We don't know yet. No, no, honey. Let me see protected. Like I'm just forgetting names. What's the guy's name that told her to stop rapping at first? Yeah, pretty yeah. He like like pretty said in the the I guess the little part that shows us what's going to happen next episode. He said I got your back like she knows she's good in the streets. The most part there's like half on his side half on her side. So I would say don't wait don't get beat up. I was going to say don't get me to talking about it because I feel like they're not protecting her because she's in Crenshaw like if it was a different scenario, maybe if she was in Beverly Hills, maybe they would have took more precaution. You know how it's just that like that divide between the areas you live in and the actual help that you'll receive only he said he got hurt. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that there is like this culture feel like that's just like a normal thing of like, oh, you've helped me in the past. I got you next time like it's just, you know didn't see him beating somebody up literally two seconds later. I actually somehow missed it. I literally missed that one part. Yeah. I'd like to go back and see where that happens because I completely missed it. But anyway, maybe there will be more of that next week's episode. Next week is gonna happen from like the behind the scenes info. We've been getting from our guests really are not going to tell you but we can't be kind of know that a lots going going on right now. I'm someone with him this whole debacle coming soon. So that would be fun. Yeah. Why Joe? It was very specific thing. You can say for now. Like we're under some sort of NDA. I feel like I've always wondered if you so another story line, which is very small, but I think very important is that Laura and Billy Baker had a little thing happen when Laura regrets sleeping with him. She said it was a mistake Mister. There's that like little scene where you just see Taye Diggs is face and He's just like a mistake quiet and it's so dramatic. What were your thoughts you guys predicted? It did I do we've all predicted everything. I'm just like that was pretty quick sis, but I had even yeah, I think we've all been maybe it's just me but we've all been in like a relationship where you're like, we're breaking up and then you're like, oh maybe not and you like insulator like that was such a terrible decision. Why did I do that? And then you like need to process your feelings. You know what I mean? Like I think Right. Now she just like I have so many feelings and now you're literally living in the house with me. I can't like thanks Trey without seeing you. I can't separate my feelings without seeing you and she's just like confused and which is in that state of being confused. You just like shut everything out. You know what I mean? She's and that's when she just like blocks him out is like Maddie to go where I could get away from me that but you know what she does for a living because we never I know but we never see any other cases that I really didn't do it in the future. There's going to be Be some crazy thing that happens with someone that we know and she's going to be defending the other side. I really didn't write that on. I feel like something crazy's gonna have to like I did something like that in season 1 but never really like I never get anywhere anything that yeah. Stop being such a weenie. Yeah, they need a ride more about her. They really don't like ya know a little bit. No seems like a very interesting character. Yeah, I feel like all the ones that we don't know a lot about are the ones that actually worried about ya story get a bigger picture CW put that in what we'll talk a little bit about Layla because Layla has been such a huge part of season two. I feel like it has been the Layla show for the longest time and I love and then we can't she kind of took a backseat last episode and now she's back again, and I thought that it was great that her storyline was incorporated. We finally got You know that that closing reaction that we really needed where she call Spencer and she finally tells him I need help and he says that's the first time you've ever admitted that you need help and it was such a beautiful moment. Did you guys think that something terrible would happen to her this episode because I feel like it was kind of teased that she was either going to kill herself or go off a cliff or something bad was going to happen. Did you think something bad would happen to Layla? No. That would have been too dark. I mean like after last week's episode. Let's just that would have been to be devastating. I mean, yeah just to speak to what happened. I feel like sometimes you got to hit rock bottom for things to start to turn around or for you to realize how bad things actually are and I think she kind of got to that point and that's why she was able to crawl her way out of the hole and yeah, you know get help that was a crazy scene though, right? Yeah was fire. I'm not gonna lie. I was like she's going over it's over. She's Yeah, because she didn't have her hip like her foot on the brake almost. Yeah, she just she was about to go over. I just knew it. I'm glad she didn't because it would have made an awful next next episode out of like trying to get out. Yeah, but that we dark but we seen her and Spencer rekindle their connection even though they're just Friends now, I don't see them being desperate to just be friends with someone to get her life together. That is true. That is true though. Sportscaster mango. That's know. She's when I don't know we're getting close with her and then boom she never came back. I did not like her for sponsors happy and you know it because her dad is always going to be an obstacle. They're sure to their relationship. I just didn't like that Dynamic Spencer. So like he's so motivated. He's so passionate and she is so much the same. I'm way but the way Layla is is like Leila's so calm and like much more soothing and I think their personalities just like match a little bit more. Yeah me like she's so like in your face go go go. I feel like I hate not being on the Layla train anymore because I feel like I was team Layla for the longest time and then after she just started spiraling out of control. I started losing that and then I have to check myself. I really have to check myself and say like well, you shouldn't just be in a relationship when the times are good like We should stick through things and help each other. Even when you're at your low point. I think it was just really difficult because they both were at the lowest they've ever been at the same exact time right now. I think when that happens that's kind of a recipe for disaster heartbreak breakups, but I'm glad that they're I'm really glad that they're talking as friends. I just can't stand Layla right now won't you like we're just friends. Yeah. It's a really dramatic. Yeah, I think her advice is pretty crappy, but hopefully show learn that That I've done but I mean, I think she noticed that she realized that when she checked herself into the center. He's been good. Yeah. Yeah, so I keep thinking about Layla. I literally just like so what's next for her predictions? Okay, so let's talk about what was I going to say? Wow, I can't believe this is happening right now. Let's talk about the final story line, which is Spencer. Like quitting football is wrong. He can't quit. That's the the lives of these characters and football is the medium to express that story about football. What are we going to what is it going to do work a part-time job and make his dad proud. You're 57. What? What? Is that? What is that thing they're ranked on? Why would I All right, you guys well, he's the best player in the country, right? Yeah. So at that point my sports fanatics are looking at me like I'm crazy. No, you haven't done anything wrong. Yeah systems for the Christian. Yes. But guys, where would where would they show go? I mean that is the basis of the show. No. Yeah, this is a football. So yeah period but here's the thing. He said that the reason that he played football was to feel closer to his dad's that's true. But if he wants to feel close to his dad and now he's got his dad is gone. Wouldn't he still play football to feel that? I close? I don't know. I feel like it's gonna come back next. We just have to remember. Well, my kids are literally in high school or they're all trying to find themselves. They don't know who they are. Then I mean like yeah, he his identity is still clearly in his dad that he's making a huge decision. Just because his dad passed away even maybe like my he's figuring it all out. He's gonna keep playing football. I'm not even questioning that yeah. I'm not I'm grateful to take a couple episodes though to help him and Darnell both keep playing football because Darnell was saying the same thing. I love Darnell. Yeah. He's so cute. How do we feel about Darnell moving it and I want that. I want it that was exciting. He went off talking about I'm not gonna play I thought he was gonna go play for Crenshaw. Yeah, I think will probably happen if he comes back when he comes back, excuse me, that would actually be really interesting and I feel like do you think it's going to be like Jordan and Darnell head-to-head? I don't you wonder how it's gonna work, right, but I don't think the guys from Crenshaw is gonna look Spencer play with them. This is like the real world. You can't move around school. Work like but right so frustrating on a final note. I want to know like what characters have we not seen from season one and season two that we want to see more of this season because I feel like there have been a lot of characters that I've kind of been swept under the rug whether it's Billy Baker's Dad. We're just like I feel like they're just characters that aren't being highlighted anymore for whatever reason I don't know is weird. Do you feel like certain characters are getting more attention than others or a lot of millennials. Logan night not rowson I'd say that every time I'm sorry if I'm saying that wrong everyone like wants to see more of JJ and more of his care. Yeah, that was funny. Yeah, he always has a great comedy beats like when he was getting his ring and was like being all Goofy and fun. Yeah. I love TJ. I loved I think he's great. Sorry. Yeah, come back on our show G Ju Just just like so much alike bright light and energy Okay, so I do want to move on. Do you have any final thoughts about this episode before moving on to MVP? Hmm. I just you know, I need it. I need him to find his way. I need Spencer to find his way. Right because I was upset like quitting football that makes no sense. I didn't like that at all. What about after and Olivia? Do you feel like they found their way finally here. Are you? Okay, I like their storyline. I just the scene was a little cringy for me, but I like I like what's happening with them, I think. Like they're going to be the most stress-free relationship that we see ya who knows what's gonna happen, but I think they're just gonna be fine. The thing about them is I feel like they've had most of their obstacles earlier on before the season even started where we were introduced to them when they were both in bad places and they both individually grew as people apart from the relationship together after all of that growth and now can have a fully functional relationship. So now you say it like that Yeah, I loved one after said I'm completely in love with you and she's like, oh like should I keep it? I was like just like just do it. Yeah corny corny. It was a little bit today David corny, but I would once I won't I wouldn't want it any other way. That's how I like my romance 40 running. Yes. I think it's so cute. Get on that know. I hope that's been certainly LED. They do the same. They grow they figure out who they are. They can come back to each other and maybe speak. If they want to just be friends or more than friends. I don't know if I want them back together. Really? No, I don't either I do is Olivia gonna go in for the kill with Spencer eventually. And said that they made her cry in a good way. Wow, they are adorable together and he's rooting for them. I think we're all lines on that. They're cute. They're so cute. They are my favorite couple. Yeah out of all the couples in this season and last season. They really are I genuinely love them. Thank you for that. Very anticlimactic. Wow. Taking away. Yes. Yes. Yes y'all, you know every week we come here and we talk about horns. I real MVP MVP of this episode. I have to give it up to the entire family Spencer Gloria and Dylan for inviting Darnell to their home. I don't know why I keep saying that but I have to give it up to all of them. That was the most genuine thing. I've seen. Well probably not the most genuine thing but of this episode that was the most genuine think I seen and I love them and I hope that would happen. I'm happy it is. I hope people said that's right. Anybody else Sierra? Oh my God. This is no one like really stood out to me. I think I'm gonna say Layla just because I'm Layla Suspenders girlfriend. Eh, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like really proud of Layla for like having her moment where she was like, I need help in admitting that because whatever you're right like we've talked about this obviously, but whatever you're in that space. It's really hard to get out of it and it's really hard to combine and people even if you know that they love you and they support you and I thought that was like a very powerful moment because she kind of is like it also shows like a sign of growth and maturity like she wants better for herself. And she said my MVP today. Yeah. Those are two very good and BP's there's really not anymore to be honest. Great job all day. I'm here for it. But I love it so much. I'ma give it to Asher's mom. What's her name? Okay. I just finally sticking up for herself and getting your son back of its yes. Oh God, honestly, I really I don't know. I feel like this is really really hard. It was a difficult one. There's like no one in this episode. Like when I go down the list of I'm looking over here and there's like Coupe, but I'm like koobs you got patients back by singing a mediocre rap song. I wasn't a fan of it to be honest. I wasn't and usually I am usually I'm a fan of coop every episode. I'm like Coupe is great. She always Powers through this. She's a great friend to Spencer, but I'm not like really feeling Coupe this episode and I haven't been the last couple episodes, but I really do think Her character arcs going to get better and I'm like looking through it and like a sure like yeah, he's great, but you didn't do anything crazy. I feel like Olivia has been a consistent for me. And I'm so tired of just saying Olivia every single time because I have like an obsession with everything is really soft growl. But I really do love Olivia. I think Olivia is an amazing person. I love that she you know set up the crib for Jordan and really like pitches in and that she was very true and authentic too. Feelings in this episode that she didn't run away from love. I just feel like she's shown a lot of growth and maturity and really really love Olivia. So Olivia has been a consistent MVP for me. Everyone else has kind of been shaky. I usually go for Grace but this week Olivia. Yeah now let's get into predictions for next week because I don't know for next month Negra 2020 is gonna be a crazy. We have to wait a whole. Oh my God, we have to wait until 2020 that's crazy. He's insane for us to get the answers. We really need about this entire season. Yeah, and I know that they've been filming there is so much going on. I just want to know what's going on. I tried we tried to get them to talk of it behind the scenes and we got like little pieces. We got nothing we did get a spoiler but someone slipped behind the scenes, but we can because that will tie we go. You guys did yeah. Yeah, we all we all are here night. We met what are your predictions for next year? My prediction is that Tyrone we're going to hear his background his background his backstory. Yeah, so maybe what happened why he's in jail. Is he actually going to try to hurt Coupe or is he just trying to manipulate her and making her do something for him? We're going to learn some more. Or did I think I feel like it would be stupid to kill Coupe off because Tyrone is someone that sees people as accessories. Yeah, and I feel like he wouldn't get rid of someone without them doing something for him. So I think that's a really really good prediction. Also. He's like just getting out of jail. It's like if he's trying to get back in trouble. Yeah, Charlie's animation. Well, yeah, I think that mrs. And mr. Baker We are going to get answers like we're going to know what happens. Come back in 2020. What happened with the cheating? Scandal? What's the prediction with what the we're just gonna get answers. I don't know it but like I feel like mrs. Baker is like she has all this pent-up energy and it's about to come out again because it hasn't once I sign you've never told me where her sign a so that's the one person that remains a mystery Ali. Oh, I got it. Like she might be a Scorpio really he's Hey everybody the Scorpion. I don't think so. I feel like she's really over go cusp, but well, I'll talk to you they are confused a lot. Yeah, I really like her. I like Laura predictions for next year prediction is pretty spot-on. You don't come up with any crazy conspiracies. The rest of them I'm right onto it because my sister's a screenwriter and she's like always in my head. But let's see I'm gonna say that Spence is going to play for Crenshaw and him and laid are not getting it back together Spencer's gonna find another woman and I want to say those are my two biggest ones because Spitzer obviously not going to quit like what it's like so My predictions 2020 let's go. Let's see Spencer and green baby. I feel like there's gonna be more than one same-sex couple on the show. I don't think it's just going to be Coop and patience. I feel like there's going to be something with Layla. I don't think she's gonna go for Spencer guys. Yeah. I think the nice thing I thought she was just going to explode. Do it, but we'll see you and I feel like I have to like learn more about the real-life sensor and then I'll have all of my predictions that for next year and do some more research and digging in the real life person. Keep in mind you guys this was about it is about a true story. So I always forgot that when I'm watching the show. I just get sucked into these characters. They do such a great job. So I wonder how much of it is fact and how much of it is fiction because obviously things These are exaggerated for he dramatic effect on shows but keep engaging with us in the chat. You guys we love that. You've been doing that so far. You've been doing a great job like really getting into it and we're so excited to see you next year and in the comments below tell us what your New Year's resolutions are and what you think is going to happen next year on All-American. I feel like that would be fun to see some predictions on the chat. Yeah. Anyway, Sandra says Leo or Capricorn's for Laura Baker. Okay Capricorn for that. Okay. Yeah, we can understand. Yeah, we appreciate the astrological input astrology Aeneas is we are hmm. Yeah, we love to hear it tune in next year. We're can everyone find use the Kia. Well, they can find me on Instagram and Zakia W underscore again. That's the Kia w. Underscore you can find me at Sierra Chanel with one and two L's and I also have a fun little digital series called not to make this about me watch it and you can find me on Instagram at the Chris exclusive and I'm Mina. You can find me on Instagram at Munich makes magic same place for Twitter and we'll see you all next year. 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Hosts Mina Naidine, Zakiyyah Wilbert, Sierra Chanell, and Kris Horde break down "Life Goes On." They talk about Asher's confession of love for Olivia, Spencer quitting football, and Layla accepting professional mental health help. Plus, They mention their favorite MVPs of the episode in addition to some very interesting predictions. When a high school football player from South Crenshaw is recruited to a Beverly Hills team, things that seem to be looking up, are actually filled with drama. Join us for the ALL AMERICAN AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW as we break down each episode week to week folowing Spencer James' life on All American. We'll have plot discussion and character breakdowns alongside special guest interviews, insider news and gossip, special segments catered to the fans, and so much more. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and comment to stay up to date on all things All American. Spencer James is a rising high school football player and A student at South Crenshaw High, but when coach Billy Baker recruits him to join his team in Beverly Hills, Spencer's mother, Grace, and his best friend, Coop, convince him it's an opportunity he has to seize. Forced to move in with Billy and his family to protect his transfer permit to Beverly, Billy's son Jordan, who is also the starting quarterback, is less than thrilled to be sharing his father's attention -- or the team spotlight. While Spencer struggles to find his footing, he makes an unlikely friend in Jordan's sister, who is struggling with her own demons. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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I really the only question is I think like that question I have is like I was going to say the next question I have is literally how soon can I stop this experiment was a success the success y'all was a success I didn't die won't you tell me? Oh, are we still doing I don't know where we were from game with media. This is sampler. I'm your host pretty loose and that much. Much much better improviser. You just heard with me is our guests for this episode The truly versatile Paul F Tompkins. So Paul is one of the funniest and most prolific people in the world of podcasting. Like I mean, this guy's done like dozens of shows in between his like television and movie projects like he's done Comedy Bang Bang at least 10 million times. He's even had multiple podcasts of his own from the dead authors podcast, which you heard in the the very first episode of sampler to the Pod F Tom cast to Paul's most recent show the heavily improvised spontaneous Nation. So part of the reason why Paul has found himself in like almost every nook and cranny of the podcast world over the past decade or so is his ability to just kind of show up and take a conversation and places that nobody ever thought. It would go. Let me play you guys a clip of Paul pretending to be defamed. Every composer Andrew Lloyd Webber performing a rap based on one of his most famous musicals opening song Jesus Christ who was dial. Oh my goodness. Here we go. Yes, here we go. I'm about to drop some religion. All you eat. It is Rex's map nizam where my name is Jesus Christ and I'm here to say it's fun to wrap in a spiritually ambiguous way. We got a best mate named a Judas had occasion recently to say to him. You despicable swine you betray me to the feds. See if I ever turn your students to breads. I'm just a young ji from Nazareth, nothing front and Pharisees which to put me to death and for what for befriending a prostitute or forgiving evil. Temple moneylenders the books. All I'm trying to do is wrap to folks about love and to question the design of a God above now his crucifixion time. So I've got to Jet by loud when It's Album haven't got the blues yet. I do have to say it spoils the plot a little bit what the bit about the crucifixion. Yeah. I have a hard enough time getting in front of a microphone every week just as myself how the hell does this guy perform at least weekly as all of these different characters while making up entirely fictional stories. I absolutely just had to get him in the sample studio and learn more about his crazy ways. Paul of Tompkins welcome to sampler. Thank you for having Brittany. It's been said that you were like the mayor of podcasting somebody told me recently that I am approaching 10,000 hours of podcast. Wait, that means that you're like like Lil Wayne because the he wasn't he wasn't that great when he first started out and he's like 15 and then like maybe yeah about like after about ten thousand hours. He just All the time and then he just got way better. There you go and almost good at this. Yes. I mean, I think you're pretty good at it. Well, thank you. Yeah, but yeah, basically, I mean you've been doing this for like like you haven't just like done so many shows are recorded so many hours. You've also been a part of podcasting for a long time. Yeah. I guessed it on a bunch of podcast before I even created my own. I was really intrigued by the form pretty quickly and a big Turning Point. The biggest turning point for me probably was Comedy Bang Bang my friend Scott Aukerman was hosting the show. He was hosting a live show in Los Angeles that was a sort of stand up and character showcase and then started doing it on the radio and then the station folded and he started doing it as a podcast and I was living in New York at the time for a job. I remember him calling me up and asking me if I wanted to phone in to the show and he said and you know, you could be anything you could be yourself or you could be a character, but Was the first character that you shut up S. I think it was iced tea. I think it was iced tea and I think it was there was a running gag where iced tea was starting these businesses that all had unfortunate names. I took a big hit on my first business venture which was iced tea lemonade, which was a alcoholic soft drink. I tried to Market when I didn't understand I didn't I didn't think ahead that the name iced tea lemonade were not conjure up a Hard Lemonade. No, I buy me ice everyone. Just thought it was an Palmer yeah. Yeah. It's like I wish I thought the make up a drink that's named after me in the first place. I wouldn't call it that. Yeah. Yeah seems like Ice Ice Tea's Iced Teas would have worked better. So anyway, then I had this other idea for modular Furniture in the style of Ikea called ice cubes. Then that was doubly confusing because people thought that I was marketing, you know ice cubes which is dumb people, too. Have them in the home already, but then also that I would be confused rapper and actor. Yeah, the rapper and actor Ice Cube people people thought that was you instead of iced tea, you know, you're a white guy and yes, you're impersonating this you're impersonating is black man, who is you know, like like a famous rapper but like you do such a good job impersonating him in this way. That's not disrespectful. Do you know what I mean? It's like something that like that. Like that me is listen. I don't have to like pause. I don't have to like groan. I don't have to roll my eyes iced tea found out about your impression of him. Yeah, and you are actually on his podcast Ice-T: final level. Hello. Yeah, I like speak to Paul Tompkins, please. This is the Z height is I see how you doing before we actually get this conversation started and stuff. I wanted to know from one professional to a comic you know, where you were going with Ice-T stuff. Could you do a little like sample and stuff so I can hear what you sound like. This is this is the moment that I dreaded. I understand that but I really want this I want to hear this from you because I remember, you know, absolutely. Absolutely in my universe you are a guy who is very into specifically science fiction and then some fantasy like you make it very clear that it's like not a lot of stuff. There's a little bit of overlap. So like you if you were pitching a movie it would be okay. So it's like this guy the vampire, but then he Also part cyborg. So he's got like 99% vampire. Then you've got one robot foot. So he that makes him able to walk around in the daylight. Right? Right. Yeah, I see where you're going with that part, but I want to hear the ice tea from you know, I just did it. Oh my God, that was terrible. Oh, please walk me through how you felt. Well at first I was very excited. I was you know contacted through my agents. Hey iced tea would like to have you on his podcast. So let's talk to you and I was like, oh, this is great. I love that. He's a good sport. And so I get off the phone and I think wow that was crazy, you know, then the next day it was a Comedy Festival that in Downtown LA and I run into this guy says hey, thanks for thanks for On our show yesterday. I'm the producer. We yeah emailed I said, oh thanks for having me. He was really cool. And he was it wasn't him. It was a it was a prank and he said are you are you are you mad? I'm sorry and I said well Nomad is just kind of disappointing. Yeah, and it all and then later like as I thought about it like oh that's embarrassing. Like I because I totally thought it was I see this guy does a great I see impression very good. And so then I listen to the episode. load And then iced tea was so funny talking about it and was so like loved that this happened. It was such a good sport about all of it that I I was like, okay fine. I'm glad that it happened. This guy named Rockwell who can actually do my voice pretty well called up Paul left Tompkins and had Paul F Tompkins thinking he was talking to me, but apparently Paul have Tompkins does an impersonation of me. So there you got to fake Iced Teas talking to each other. You know, they say that you know, when people impersonate you Curry is the best form of flat and I look at that as flattery. If I see is happy I am that's how I approach all things. Is it a great that you're in you're at a place to say that about your professional life advice to you as happy as she is happy. I'm happy. I'm happy so you obviously do a great Ice-T impersonation, but you also do a lot of other people too. Is there any character that you do that's like a favorite It's tough because they're all people that I enjoy. I wrote a thing for a vulture recently. And after the passing of Garry Marshall the guy who directed like Happy Days Pretty Woman. Yeah, and it was something I never thought about and I realized in the writing of it as I'm wiping away tears as I'm sitting at the airport gate like before I flew here on writing this thing and I got unexpected it affected me more than I thought it would as I'm like writing my thoughts about this. Man that I met one time. Yeah, very briefly and I realized wow this guy, you know contributed so much of the entertainment of my childhood like had a profound impact on me in a way that I'd never really thought about intellectualized until now. Let's actually hear a little bit of your Garry Marshall impression on Comedy Bang Bang Yes. I direct a pretty woman. I think nobody wanted to they said hey happy days. That's what they called me. It's insulting but I took it as a compliment because it was a successful. Show they said a happy days. They threw the scripted it be of the chest to fell on the ground and they made you pick it up. They may know I picked it up of my own volition. Nobody makes Garry Marshall But That's My Name by the way. I don't know if my name was said yeah, we should say. Hey everybody its and be Gary Marshall. Larry Marshall is here. Thank you for your applause. I realized like imitating him felt in a weird way like spending time with that person. Mmm, like spending time with him, you know because I because I'm working very hard to capture his Essence and and how he sounds how he expresses himself how he would react to things. I'm trying not to react as myself. I'm trying to react as this character, you know, and I'm very protective of of this character because it's a real person that I have an admiration for. All right, we're going to take a quick break, but when we get back Paul's going to tell us what he thinks about lazy comedy. This episode is brought to you by TaxACT. This tax season Tax Act has your back with their deduction maximizer and a hundred K accuracy guarantee. You can feel confident. You're getting the most out of tax season learn more about how to maximize your deductions and your refund and get 25% off federal and state filing attacks act.com gimlet. That's TaxACT.com gimlets 425 percent off federal and state filing welcome back to sampler. I'm here with my guest actor comedian noted podcaster Paul F Tompkins aka the mayor of podcasting who is also known for his character work and impersonations been your I have to say you just seem like you're having so much fun. When you're playing these people. It's a lot of fun and it came to me relatively late in my career. It was I did not start out as a character guy and and even though I had done sketches. And everything I just never was attuned to that and the thing that probably brought that into my life was a show called best week ever on VH1 and I was the host of that show for a year and a lot of times that required me playing characters, you know, we would review the week in pop culture. We have clips from TV shows and and so sometimes rather than just do a traditional joke. I would act something out be a character and that was that was where I first did Andrew Lloyd Webber which became a standard Erica mind Cake Boss which became a standard character iced tea with the first time I did iced tea. That was the first time you didn't yeah. Yeah, and I always did voices when I was a kid and everything, but it was not a part of my comedy and so it was podcasting that really made me reconsider that and embrace it in a way that I just never had before and that led me to improv and led me to start an improvisation podcast of my own. It is called spontaneous Nation. It is an improv based podcast, which I'm doing the opposite of what I've always done which is do something extremely produced that takes a long time and a lot of Anguish and I'm doing something that's all in the moment and fun with some of the best fun in the moment people around we take you now. Do the underwear department at Macy's? Dad, I couldn't mom come with me. Well, I she's very busy and your mother does a lot of stuff around the house that I can't do. I don't know how to wash wash a dish. I've never known. It's very difficult. Do you need any help? Oh, look at this woman. Yes. Hello. My my daughter here would like to buy some food. Just say it. I don't know please. This is your mother's departure. Tonight dainty under yes. That's exactly right. He's just here weird wolf who I had a growth spurt, and I need panties. Yes. My daughter you see is a 12 years old now come down this aisle. It's very thin. You might brush against all the panties as you go down honey. I think maybe you better just go down that aisle follow this obvious woman down the aisle yourself Dad. It's just satin and lace top here. So say good, honey, please please. Please take my daughter Megan to the secret places that you women go to you have to come with us. That's a weird policy why it was exciting to be discovering new thing and exciting to be learning a new thing and to be able to to learn on the job, you know surround myself with good people so that in the room where we're all improvising. I always make sure that I am the the weakest link, you know, so that everyone around me is A solid improvisers been doing this for years and really funny people so that if anyone's going to be week it's going to be me and then people will forgive me because the other people are so good. I just love this attitude of generosity that you have not just for like the people that you're performing with on your show and I just for your guests but as listener, like I feel like you have it for your audience you really tend to steer clear of like stereotypes or Offensive jokes and you've even said like in other interviews that like minding political correctness, like being a politically correct comedian keeps your comedy fresher. Mmm. How did you arrive at that? You know, I I started going to therapy because of a bad relationship that ended in 2002. My therapist is a woman and so I was exposed to she just like so matter-of-factly and thoughtfully would show me other points of view. And so I remember having an argument with two female friends of mine. We've seen the movie election the Alexander Payne right? I think so. Yeah with Reese for this musical. Yeah, fine and Yea and my female friends were saying I thought that movie was kind of sexist and I liked the movie. Hmm. And so I was trying to argue that it was not sexist. So I'm trying to argue to two women that they're they were seeing this incorrectly. Yeah and I was bothered that they were sort of seen it seemed like they were ganging up on me. Yeah, as I share the story and my therapist said, well, you know for them, they have a different experience of this movie then you do because they're women and you're a man so they're going to see this differently and so they're not trying to tell you that you're a bad person for liking this movie. They're just trying to tell you this was their experience and I come back to that exchange so often Because it's the key to everything if you want to understand what's going on with our country right now and why people are so angry and all that's because no one no one wants to feel bad. They don't want to feel that they thought incorrectly or evilly or they were inconsiderate or whatever. It's a very to me a very childish worldview to be talking about being anti PC. And that we need to be more anti PC. It seems very emotionally stunted. You know, I also think I think it I think it makes for like lazy comedy like one of the things 1,000% the whole anti PC thing really just means I don't want to be called on my shit. I don't want to have to think differently. I don't want to have to rewrite this bit because it already gets laughs. You know, it just became like a Monumental not just professional laziness, but a moral laziness that said, You're too worried about having to think about your actions and how they might affect other people about hurting someone's feelings. And you also don't want to seem uncool to the people that you think are cool. How do you manage that as a host when you're bringing in people who have a variety of different approaches. They have a variety of different backgrounds different personal limitations. Absolutely. How do you account for that in a group? That's that's the challenging part of it. Honestly for me. The fine line is this is supposed to be An entertainment program this is not supposed to be. Hey, we're talking about current affairs and we're going to get down to brass tacks and really discover what is wrong with society today. So I leave the door open for the possibility that maybe I'll talk about social issues in a comedic way in the future, you know, because my my style has evolved over the years and maybe that's where I'm headed years down the line. Yeah, you know you perform so many different roles on all the different shows that you're featured on, you know, Like you're not only a host you also like are sometimes the guests. Sometimes you yourself and then a lot of the time you are playing all of these different characters. So like how do you move between all of those for then? Which one is your favorite? Hmm. I think I like hosting the most because I genuinely like interviewing people. I really enjoy asking questions and I enjoy finding the common ground, you know, and I love when people are great. Storytellers and and people that can surprise you. I had Nathan Lee Graham who's a film and Stage actor. Most people probably know him as Will Ferrell's assistant in Zoolander. He was somebody that you could ask him a question and he would always have a great answer and a really funny thing to say the interview goes unexpected places and he he was just delightful. I did Priscilla Queen of the Desert on Broadway. I played misunderstanding. Mmm. She was the Tina Turner roll. I opened the show is on 12 minutes a 12-minute opener at The Palace Theater where Judy Garland the pool and I was amazing what I didn't know what I didn't know was that I'd have to be in The Ensemble as well and doing The Ensemble work was a piece of shit. I hated I was a cupcake at once and one point. I was a cupcake they sing MacArthur Park is melting in the door. Talk like I'm out in the cupcake outfit with with all of my other friends Nathan Lee Graham is a cupcake now, it's fine. If I'm doing the come back which I did and I'm a cupcake but not on the path and not at the palace. What was it was a it was a cupcake costume hard to get it was hard to get into we had wonderful dresses. Let me tell you something. The crew is amazing the people I did the cupcakes with our amazing, but just personally personally it was not a high point. Who are you doing? Well too. Were you able to mask your displeasure? Yes, because of the lighting because of the lighting on the stage. It was all a dream sequence. And so I actually lied to people and tell them that I wasn't a cupcake but now everybody fucking nose. Would your friends say hey were you in right? And then you would say no. The key to hosting a thing is to assume that everyone you ever are going to talk to is an interesting person. Even if you have a prejudiced thinking this is going to be boring. You have to trust that everyone has a story and it's just a matter of getting to those questions that unlock the interesting person inside what is perceived as a dull person. Do you have like a go to question? Honestly emotional questions, I think are the best ones when you ask someone on how that made them feel if you can relate a thing like, oh I felt this way when this happened when I was a kid or whatever. I find that that really gets people to open up. That makes me think about a particular appearance that you had on a podcast mental illness happy hour besides listen to the episode three times in the past week and you talk about how you started going to therapy after this really difficult breakup and I myself am a huge fan of therapy. So I love finding that out. But you also talked about how you used to kind of have like a bit of like a mean streak in your comedy like they're you A little bitter and therapy major realize that you needed to change. Yeah. Yes. Let's actually hear a little bit of that. Now it's you on mental illness happy hour talking to the host Paul Gilmartin. Would it be fair to say that you wouldn't be doing the comedy that you're doing right now? Were it not for therapy? 100% Okay, as I improved my own life my Outlook my art changed. Yeah, and for the better. Oh, Absolutely, you know, I feel like it got I got I realized through therapy man. I have not been I have not been taking anything in my life as seriously as I should be taking it. I have been blinding myself with booze, you know, checking out, you know as much as I can and telling myself who I am as opposed to finding out who I am. Does that make sense? It does make sense and sometimes what we think is a disaster is the necessary path to what we want. It just has to circumvent. Vent through. Yeah, maybe hitting a bottom. The worst thing that could happen for us is for us to be given what it is that were fantasizing about at the time that were fantasizing about it because we wouldn't be able to handle it. Yeah, there's always something more that you're going to want. I went through a period of bitterness not that long ago where I was in a I was in a really dark place. It was it was all about, you know, entering into middle-age turn getting into my 40s where it's like Holy shit time is going by so fast so fast that all I can think about is I'm almost dead. I am almost dead and where am I and what am I doing? You know, I did not realize how great my life was I couldn't see it and I try I was trying to see it. You know what I mean? Like at this point. I'm a married man. I'm a professional stand up comedian. I'm having like a really good year financially from all these different things. I'm working on. All these other projects that are towards my goal, but I was still at this point where everybody else is doing better than I was I was I was not any closer to achieving this goal that I wanted to achieve. It was never going to happen and but really what it was about was mortality. It's that time is too short. It's never going to happen and it's embarrassing that I can't provide for my wife better it It's it's embarrassing that I have. I have fucked up my career with this dumb behavior in the past that now I'm never going to be where I want to be not even where I want to be but to a point where I can breathe, you know, it's always going to be like this. I'm always going to be on the fucking hustle. I'm always going to be traveling around and we can be packing that goddamn suitcase crazy. It was terrible. It was terrible because I can tell you Paul from your as a peer reviewers, and I know there are tons of other Here's that feel the same way. We look at you and think if I could only get to where we're and and that ladder I think never ends unless you can say I'm happy to just be on this journey the ladder never ends because you're always building the fucking ladder. Yeah, you're always adding the rungs on there. It's always you. How have things changed since that conversation it goes back and forth living in Los Angeles being in this weird little bubble of show business because the whole town is about that. Yeah, it's hard sometimes to keep perspective because no matter where you are. There's an idea around you that you should be somewhere else that wherever you are. It's like that's not good enough. Yeah, and so there are times where I can get down about not getting a certain job or something or not being considered for a certain job or something like that, but then It takes some doing sometimes to get back to a good healthy perspective of I have a really good life and I am you know employed doing this thing that I love to do, you know, if it's I'm having fun doing it and the hours that I've spent in those rooms in front of microphones are some of the happiest hours of my life where it is just it's just fun and to be doing something with other. People to be working together me and friends of mine who do comedy podcast their people the right to us all the time saying you guys help me do my job because I'm stuck at a desk all day and I'm looking at a monitor. And without these shows I would go crazy and it's like you guys are my friends that stuff man that really it really makes a difference. It really helps is podcasting. Like is it a tool for self work for you in a way? Hmm. Um, I I mean not consciously I think that if you have a if you have a job that That you love doing. I think it can't help but be that it is a thing where I can be having a bad day and then go and do that for an hour. Yeah and feel a lot better. Yeah, and it might not turn my day completely around depending on whatever it is. That's bothering me but man at least for an hour. I was having a good time. Yeah, and tomorrow is another day. So like what do you hope for that and the future of the medium and how do you see yourself fitting into that? I hope there will always be a place for me in it. I hope that it continues to flourish. I hope that will always remain in the hands of the people. You know, I do a show that's for a podcast Network. And so I get paid to do that podcast and I think that's great. And I hope that that I hope that that continues and so that more people can make a living doing this. Yeah, but I hope I hope I hope whether it's you know the absence of some you know. In regulation or people being squeezed out because they can't compete with podcast networks, whatever. I hope that people will always be able to make what they want to make. That's beautiful there really was I'm so glad that you don't understand. I'm so glad that you came. Do you are like a Cornerstone of this here industry, and I'm so honored that you came in here to talk with us today. It was absolutely my pleasure Brittany, but us with me there's oh it's just me in Royal us exactly. But thank you so much. This is a great of course. Probably John C. Reilly is probably the closest that I get to sounding like the other person your John C Reilly and yeah sure. Did we just hear just a little bit of that everybody awesome to be here. Listen, thanks a million shows. I'm always happy to talk about podcasts and I know there's a lot of people think like, that's awesome. And so it's cool to be here. To recap the clips featured on the show today the Andrew Lloyd Webber rap, Garry Marshall and Ice-T Impressions were from Comedy Bang Bang with Scott Aukerman the prank phone call from an iced tea impersonator was from the podcast Ice-T final level Nathan Lee grams cupcake story was from spontaneous nation and Paul's commentary. I'm growing older was from the podcast mental illness happy hour special thanks to Earwolf. This episode was produced by Kate Parker. Sam Morgan Sarah of drammen Rose Reed and myself it was edited by a Nero Strasser and Peter clammy. Our theme music was made by my Cavalli and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips additional music in the show was by talk star the show is mixed by Hayley Shaw and Bobby Lord sampler is a production of gimlet media.

Comedian and actor Paul F. Tompkins joins Brittany to discuss his prolific podcasting career. Also, Paul explains why he loves playing characters and hates "lazy comedy." **Warning, this episode contains adult language** Episode #25 features clips from the following episodes (please go to our website www.gimletmedia.com/sampler for links to all episodes): Comedy Bang Bang, "Episode 303: Puttering Around" Comedy Bang Bang, "Episode 31: Happy Black Friday" Ice-T: Final Level, "Episode 2: Coco's Butt, the Secret to Success & Advice for Bieber" Comedy Bang Bang, "Episode 91: Garry Marshall Presents" Spontaneanation, "Episode 0: Paul F. Tompkins Presents Spontaneanation" Spontaneanation, "Episode 68: Paris with Nathan Lee Graham" Mental Illness Happy Hour, "Episode 34: Paul F. Tompkins" The Facts: This episode was produced by Kate Parkinson-Morgan, Sarah Abdurrahman, Rose Reid and Brittany Luse. It was edited by Annie-Rose Strasser and Peter Clowney. Our theme music was made by Micah Vellian and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips. Additional music in the show was by TakStar. The show was mixed by Haley Shaw and Bobby Lord. Sampler is a production of Gimlet Media. Our Sponsors: Audible - Go to http://audiblepodcast.com/Sampler for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook.

Welcome back to the inspiration space for what I think is potentially one of the topics that may be most relevant to the people listening to this show. So I spoke to Vanessa Malta the couple of months ago fantastic episode. I thought on passion and perseverance in something called Grit. It and today she came back on to talk about imposter syndrome. So firstly I just want to thank her because I know how busy she is. She's working on some incredible projects at the moment and it means a lot to me. It's for her to you know, come and see me twice in two months and really, you know dedicating our to me and talk about something which I think is really important. So what's imposter syndrome where you find out in this episode, we also talked about, you know, how you can sort of recognized. Pasta syndrome and how you kind of sort of you can sort of combat it in a way fascinating me. Imposter syndrome is most common in high Achievers, which is I find fascinating but it can also tend to hinder a lot of people from getting to where their true potential is as well. So, you know, if you're in one of those two categories and you find yourself really feeling like an imposter sometimes and not really getting the most out of what you are truly capable of this is definitely one for you. I personally deal with paws. Engine for a long time this year actually more than more than any year that I could argue. He says my most successful yet. So for me, this was a really really interesting lesson. She's so clued up. She's such an intelligent woman and yeah guys get the most out of it because you know, we're lucky enough to have people like this come onto the show and and speak to us and inform us about these interesting topics. So yeah, enjoy take we can from it. And if you have a spare moment disfavor go and give of this show the great racing review. That means I can carry on get some phenomenal guess which I do have coming up as well over the next coming weeks. Keep your eyes out for those. All right. Enjoy guys is cool how it's developed. But I think this is this podcast is is what we'll talk about today is really relevant for me in a lot of ways because I did start this podcast not having n at the time. I was like selling like umbrellas at merchandising company. So this was the first step for me to kind of go in where I wanted to but what was holding me back was essentially the fear of being found out and being an imposter like and it's kind of stayed with me. I've still I mean I made you got it in a massive way. Like I feel constantly the fact that I'm going to be found out or every time I go and interview somebody I have to Not me. I've been watching a lot more about and stuff recently, which is we might touch on it today. But there's like I almost have to get myself into a initially an inauthentic place not in terms of like my morals or anything like that, but I have to force myself to get the body language and and and kind of overcompensate with a little bit of confidence to get me through the door if that kid until you make yeah, that's it back. And yeah, that's that's basically it so I know that if I do that then it's fine because because it will ride but initially the my my my natural authentic thinking is fuck me like this this this guy can turn around and be like, you know, who are you don't at that that's that's my back to that that obviously makes contact totally and hopefully we can talk about that in relation to where how imposter syndrome develops and it comes back. To and I'll cover some of the ground from the previous podcast in relation to our core beliefs. It's a conditional it's a it's a core belief that's associated with conditional worth. Yeah sense of worth is conditional on something that you do. Yeah, or don't do or say or don't say or look or feel so it's if you have a core belief which and actually I was just kind of talking to one of your one of your leagues earlier the most generic core belief or someone with imposter syndrome is I'm not good enough. Yeah, and I'll be honest with you. I whenever I see someone for therapy, I will always create what I call it psychological formulation, which is you know, I pull together all their history and everything is like a jigsaw puzzle and in the middle will be a summary of someone's what I would suggest limiting core beliefs and we can talk through again what that actually means I Probably say quite confidently at least ninety percent of the people that I see one of their core beliefs will be I'm not good enough. It's fascinating and and that will then trickle into and play out in all aspects of someone's life, but that but that's the important bit to recognize us of the night impostor syndrome tan some what it is. And also what it's not because what it's not is it's not about someone's confidence necessarily. It's not about someone's self-esteem because someone can still be really confident have a confident personality. In a number of areas of their life, but it will it's usually activity specific. So yeah, if someone has imposter syndrome that doesn't mean they're not a confident person but they would potentially be under not confident in a specific activity or situation that their conditional worth is based on it's amazing. What where does this self-doubt like like come from I've liked In human being I mean like it's so common. Like you just said 90% of the people you see I mean and I assume this is me making a prediction that a lot of people you see of high Achievers in a way most probably the most probably yeah, so the fact that they've got to a certain point in their lives. Proves that they got talent. Yeah essentially where I mean, how does that self-doubt develop and how the hell is it? So common in high Achievers? Yeah, is that what drives them send it? Yeah. I mean the reality is it well and that's that's what everything in relation to how we behave and how we think there's a healthy level of everything and then there's an unhealthy level of everything because actually, you know, having drive and determination and wanting to prove Yourself that you can achieve something is not necessarily a bad thing, you know, we might touch on grits because you know that grits really important for our levels of success. But if we are constantly constantly striving to prove our worth in a certain area, then it becomes unhealthy and then actually it becomes limiting. It becomes limiting because we fear it we fear that we might fail at something we fear we're going to jump around all over the place here. You're the fear that you have is individual to you. So In the same kind of ballpark, you've got the fear if someone's struggling with impostor syndrome and they have the fear of failure. You also might have someone because of their background and this is where I'm going to start to come out. What how does this all emerge? They might have a fear of coming across as arrogant and it's really important to them that they're not seen as arrogant. They're seen as humble. So actually if you own it if you own your success and this is a thing with imposter syndrome. It's about Successful people not owning their success. They they struggle with associating the effort that they have put into doing something to the success that they have experienced. They will have thoughts like well, you know, I achieve that because I was in the right time the right place. Oh that person just help me out. I've just been really lucky. In fact, it's a phrase that iban a lot of clients from saying like, I'm lucky. Why interesting? I'm really I'm just really lucky. No, you're not lucky that has happened because you made it happen or you've approached something in a certain way. So an imposter someone who struggles with imposter syndrome cannot or struggles to internalize or put their successes down to themselves and what they have done. Now, there's lots of reasons behind it. I knew that was gonna happen took extra lab. I'm sorry. Yeah carry on. There are lots of different reasons behind why someone might struggle to internalize their own success. Sure. I'll start if I may with the gender difference actually, please do which is quite interesting and then I'll come on to kind of the more generic. It's going to be an issue. Okay, take a little time out there back in back in so actually imposter syndrome originally is kind of a term that was coined back in the 70s as with everything has been around for ages and originally was very much thought to be very female-centric something that males didn't struggle with as much but the research and Academia has gone on to find out that actually Um, just as many men struggle with imposter syndrome as women do the difference being is it impacts and holds women back more? So it's not that women and men are different in terms of experiencing it but it actually has more of an impact with women. And the reason why this is is because females hold on to criticism and their mistakes, they internalize the negatives much more than men do so, they will hold onto the the fear or they'll hold on to negative experiences a lot more which will then prove to themselves that they're not good enough at doing something women are much more likely to blame mistakes or failure on their ability than men so men more generally and obviously this is all General sweeping statements but backed up by research men are more likely to blame something external whereas women will internalize it and we'll say that it's their fault or they have a lack of ability. They have less confidence in their performance. So you can kind of see that the mindset of a female means that if you are struggling with imposter syndrome and you have that you have a greater. After tendency to internalize the negatives is going to hold you back more and the problem is with impostor syndrome is that it? It's not it doesn't tend to be debilitated. Let me say it affects. Well, I would say about 90% of my clients but starts with say it affects around 70% of high Achievers. So it's not debilitating sure. It doesn't stop people it's there, but it's there and it ends up becoming unhealthy and we can talk about kind of the impact I think and drive by. Ava and in as yes and it can drive limiting limiting Behavior because and one of the I suppose the most generic terms for a number of different behaviors, which it can play out is avoidant behavior. So if someone fears or they fear that they're not good enough and the big thing about someone with imposter syndrome is that I'm going to get found out. Yeah. I'm oh my God, I'm gonna you know today and podcast and everyone's going to find out that actually I don't know what but that's the main thing about being found out so avoidance and avoiding a number of different things to stop being seen is very common. So if you've got imposter syndrome, you might not put yourself forward for things because you don't think you'll get enough or you don't want to be seen you don't want to be found out. Well, if I do that presentation, everybody will see that Actually, I'm not as good as they think I am lying. People will lie about their achievements or what they can and can't do because they want to be seen as being light. Yeah in a certain light perfectionism so affectionate this is what interests me. Yeah. Yeah. So perfectionism is effectively if I am if I can do it perfectly. That means no one will find out but obviously perfectionism is an impossible. Yeah, it is impossible to achieve. So then what ends up happening is to on top of everything we've set ourselves impossible tasks or impossible expectations of ourselves and we don't meet it which then we don't meet our expectations. And so therefore we then feel bad about ourselves. We criticize and go there you go. I Told You So you're not actually as good as you thought you might have been dangerous. So yeah, so perfectionism is it to a certain degree It's A coping strategy. If I can if I can do this perfectly, no one will see any chink in my armor. Sure and the same as I was talking about earlier about being over-prepared. So yeah, I am someone who totally over prepares because what I want to make sure is that no one can find any holes or people wouldn't pick up anything in relation to my knowledge about something. Let's say I'm I'm kind of doing it specifically in relation to this and what I do generally on a date To day basis, but yes, another Behavior. It's an avoidant Behavior You by over preparing you avoid being caught out sure. Yeah effectively and there are a number of other. This is an interesting one and I really noticed this in myself. I know that well interestingly. I notice it more in my personal life. I'm doing my professional life avoiding making decisions really. So if you were widening, there's a difference with between the two personal and protest. Don't know I will self analyze myself on that later praised. Just something I recognize in myself because if you avoid making a decision, yeah, and you pass it on to somebody else you don't run the risk of making mistake with that decision. So if I don't decide which movie to go and see and the other person decides then it's not gonna be my fault if it's a rubbish movie. Because it's so and this is what I mean about how it trickles into so many different aspects of your life the to the point. We're making a decision about what movie to see ya you know is is a product to a certain degree of feeling like you're not good enough at something something else specific. So, yeah, so avoidant Behavior, so for in a workplace, you know, you can see how limiting that would be your it can limit To perform at their best ability or to put perform at their potential effectively because if someone fears not being able to do something you won't stretch yourself as much you keep yourself in in a comfort zone. I think that for me just thinking about my own personal experience from working in certain environments leadership at that point is extremely important. oughtn't for individuals in that aspect because if you have someone at your leader that fills you with confidence and fills you with the like the the belief that you can make those decisions and you can step up and you are good enough that can maybe help absolutely and even more importantly that it's okay to make mistakes Yeah, a hundred sent that and and it's all right, and you're not going to get you're not going to get Nothing's going to happen and actually not sure if I mentioned this in the previous podcast, but Google did a really interesting study a few years ago and trying to understand the most important factors that contribute to their High performing teams. Yeah, and the the number one factor that they found which is fascinating is psychological. Safety what we mean by that is hyper individuals who are part of a team who feel psychologically Safe, I then I'm going to be judged they're not going to be there isn't going to be negative consequences if there's a mistake or they've done something which you know out of their control or if they're feeling psychologically safe. There's more chance that they will push themselves and they will be more risky. Yeah, so they will, you know, push their goals stretch themselves and that's how you get a high performing team. So you're absolutely right from a leadership point of view. To to help work with people to help develop people who have impostor syndrome. It's about encouraging them helping people reinforcing someone's abilities or their strengths. I will come unto how actually some of the Imposter syndrome. Perhaps won't be able to hear that but more importantly is to try to cultivate a culture where it's okay to make mistakes because we're not all perfect and this is the other problem as I say, so, Yes, it's good for a leader to be able to point out someone's positives. But the problem with someone with imposter syndrome is they won't hear it. So there's what I'm saying about internalizing it. They won't internalized it so. So it's one of the things which is important if you want to start working on your imposter syndrome, it's start accepting compliments because someone who struggles with imposter syndrome if someone turns around and get that was brilliant you go. Oh not really uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah and a lot of that is driven. Well some of that could be driven from and I don't know if we can weave this back into now where this all kind of comes from a core belief perhaps that you know again, If I accept that compliment that means I'm arrogant if I accept that compliment what I'm saying is yeah, you're right. I'm good, but we but we have grown up or our beliefs about ourselves that it's not it's not right to do that or if we have grown up in a situation where perhaps praise haven't been given so we don't know how to accept it another. the interesting area is the whole kind of self-esteem movement that has happened along the way and I know we touched on this in the last podcast with regards to Parenting that kind of started in the 80s, which is all about Encouraging yes, encouraging participation but people being rewarded regardless of the kind of outcome. And so actually if you've got somebody who's grown up in that kind of that the situation where you are rewarded for whatever you have done it slightly confusing to know what you accept compliments for. Is that something that I've done is that good? Isn't that good and sure unsure? Yeah. And if you've grown up in a situation where you know family myths and labels, you know, your fat your family environment is so so important in relation to this in families you tend to have you kind of get a label kids get labels. You're the funny one the naughty one unit intelligent one and we end up kind of living up to that label. So actually if you have grown up and you haven't been the successful one. And the intelligent one it feels uncomfortable equally if you've grown up in a situation where you are the intelligent one and maybe your sibling isn't you have potentially tried not to internalize that because it's felt uncomfortable with with you with your siblings. So there's there's so many aspects but the reality is the core your conditional worth is based on your core beliefs and your core beliefs to recap your core beliefs are the rules and the beliefs that you have about yourself the world and Is the are formed along the way I always refer to a bit like a blueprint. We all have our own unique blue blueprint that has been created throughout our lives and the rules that we have applied to ourselves. Like don't accept don't accept compliments because you'll be arrogant and more to appoint the deeper core belief. That is it's not good to be arrogant and then you'll associate things like internalizing success as being arrogant. When actually it's not it's not so your core belief structure is effectively what determines your beliefs about what success is about and what success should be about. When does that develop mean? I mean that was I'm sure there's no specific age criteria where your core beliefs are generated, but it is that is that More toward is it is it done unconsciously almost in a way through your childhood era teenage years. I mean or does it carry on going? I mean surely there's comes a point where that's just the way you think and unless somebody tells you like you go to a psychotherapist to whoever tries to kind of encourage that flexibility of thinking surely. There's a comes a point where it's kind of ends and you're just start with how you view yourself it. Never end. It never ends. Right. Okay. So when I say it never ends that okay to answer your first question. When does it start it starts from the moment? You're born we emerged why not? No, I suppose not not totally because we don't have high-level cognitive function at that point. But once we are starting to recognize, you know, what how do we get reward? How will we reward? What behaviors do we need to do to be rewarded? What behaviors evoke positives and negatives from from people we start make we start making rules about the world so and generally speaking I'm not saying it has to be a big dramatic kind of moment in time. But obviously the more influential moments in Life or as I've said that kind of context that the culture that your whole environment sits in where you see It where your role is how your parents parent you all those aspects contribute and it continues because it might be that you know, it might be that somebody hasn't had any of those types of rules and they get into their teenage years, maybe no in all of a sudden they have an experience which shatters their beliefs about themselves and it starts rewiring their core belief. It might be I mean I tend to find Again, a lot of a real transition point for people and we're imposter syndrome can really emerge is when people start working so and I definitely think I can that it resonates with me because I think to a certain degree you have a bit of a pathway as a child and as a teenager you go to school and and you do it you work your way through and then you do GCSE and your gcses then impact the a-levels and then you do your a levels. And then you know that point for whatever reason it wasn't even decision to make about going to University for me. It was just and then I do my a levels and then I go to university and you've got this kind of Pathways set up and you know, I'm someone who worked very hard potentially because of my imposter syndrome and and then you get kind of you come out over all of that and then all of a sudden you're out in the real world and you're in this whole kind of Text that is unfamiliar and you don't know where you should be going or what necessarily you should be doing. There's no path where there's a reason that there's no pathway anymore now, but that's the way your mind almost things because you've been through a pathway that there should be a pathway. Yes, and and then when you're not on a pathway you start and then Self Doubt creeps the Self Doubt Creeps in and then as we discussed before in terms of our emotional regulation systems are fight or fight or flee. I flee our fear kicks in And then if we are someone that doesn't recognize that self-criticism will fuel that we start criticizing ourselves criticizing ourselves. And then we just fuel any believe negative beliefs that we have about our capabilities. So and then okay, we'll keep going and we perhaps we've created some limiting conditional worth based rules. Can it you know, is it just that's the way we think it is the way that we think up until the point where we give ourselves. Has the opportunity to rewire that thinking we go back to the plasticity of our brains that we once we are aware and that's the first stage with everything. Once you are aware that perhaps this is something that's going on for you. Then you can do something about it. Yeah, so recognizing the behaviors that are associated with a positive. What are the how do people think you know, is that how do you how do you qualify success? What are the goals and the expectations that you that you put on yourself? These are all the sorts of questions that you need to ask yourself and kind of say well these helping me or or the limiting me and then it's a case of work a letter. How do we reframe that? Hmm something. I was just thinking of that so imposter syndrome like kind of touched on that. It can be a driving force in a way something that keeps you going and it may not be the right thing to say but in a way that could be like a positive thing. Yeah, is that right to say because it's kind of driving you even though it's not necessarily healthy. When does it start to become really unhealthy it in high Achievers. So if when they just never fulfill, yes, essentially. Yes when the when it's never good enough, right? Yeah when you're always wanting to move forward something. And I was chasing something. Yeah, and so you're absolutely right. The drive sitar drive system is really important to us so our drive system. So this isn't a Beer by the way, this is kombucha. I'm not sure. What's the time 20 past 10:00? Why not? Yeah, you don't you drive systems really important. It's really important to ignite your drive system because it's our reward system. It makes us feel positive. It makes us feel good. So absolutely and kind of talked about that kind of healthy balanced. It's all about getting that healthy balance, but the difference when we're talking about something like imposter syndrome is that you're worth your sense of worthiness. Is dependent upon this specific thing. So yes, it's great to be able to be driven and you know that again, there's nothing wrong with being prepared for a presentation and it's okay to go. So if we didn't friendship between the two let's use doing a presentation for example a healthy way to go if a presentation hasn't gone. Well is to be okay. Presentation didn't go particularly well, and maybe I didn't prepare well enough for it to someone who has imposter syndrome that goes that presentation didn't go well, I am useless. I'm rubbish see I'm not capable. I shouldn't be in this fear. I'm not I'm not good enough. So it's when it becomes conditional about your sense of self and who you are and you're worth your sense of worth is impacted by it. So that's the I suppose that's the difference and In relation to City High Flyers and why am I saying City the high flies High Achievers anywhere is you're absolutely right is getting to a point where your definition of success means. Actually you do experience that sense of achievement because if we're always setting ourselves goals that are too high or where a perfectionist all the elements that are potentially associated with it. We're never going to get that sense of achievement. We're always going to feel like we haven't haven't achieved and therefore we become self-critical and as soon as you start being self-critical you start evoking anxiety underlying anxiety and in the end it can impact massively impact your men. Do you know your your mental you mental health? Yeah. I mean I'm speaking about this and it's is funny. Like we said will refer back to stuffy suppose by in the first so we did together all I'm hearing with this is the background of it for me is the importance of that flexibility again, like as a mindset and being able to realize that Those seem those limiting self-doubts those core beliefs. If you can sort of fine tune your brain to realize that nothing is ever constant concern is that the right word nothing's ever permanent the new kind of free yourself up again to almost combat this imposter syndrome is that fair to absolutely and I suppose that kind of going back to the comment earlier. Do you know do you get to a point where that is it? That is just how your mind thinks know. You know, not at all. It's but it's the way it is how your mind has been thinking but you need to be open to not. You know using phrases like well, that's just the way I am. That's just the way I think this is this is me, that's me because then it doesn't give you the freedom to change the way that you view yourself change the way that you think which will actually give you the ability to embrace and Own It own your success own what you have done on your efforts. I mean, I definitely I think one of my most Underlines, which is a cliched. So I need to change it Abby not good at all. If someone says may I can you could you send me through that presentation? I found it really interesting or or I'll go I've got a document I've written on that. I'll send it through to you. If you know if you need a good night's sleep read it, you know, and and it's kind of like that. Yeah that automatic response that I've done it. It's all right. Hmm. I'm sure it's not brilliant. You know, I'm sure someone else could do it better. But here you go have it. Yeah, you know and it's that sort of mentality that then just stops you from owning what you've done and going yes, well done me and and again that comes back to where people have issues with owning stuff because potentially they worry about how that how they would be viewed as being arrogant or being someone that just kind of high fives themselves the whole time. Yeah, that's Do you need to be able to own an internalized as I say women almost need to work? Well women definitely need to work harder at doing that because our brains have a tendency a much greater tendency to to to look for the negatives. I mean, you know our brains all of us males and females have this, you know, we have a negative bias our brains rather annoyingly will As pick up on the negatives over will generally will pick up on negatives more so or negative stimulus more than positive. It's about it's a survival mechanism, but women are pre-programmed. It appears to pick up on the Moor and we will just internalize it and hold that close to us. Whereas men are much better at moving on Beyond. Actually interesting and you would I'm sure you will corroborate this. It's also just little things like, you know, men are much better at criticizing each other. So the band, you know kind of bloke banter. Yeah is men are more likely to kind of not criticize but the kind of throw judgment out criticizes banter with their mates. They're better at doing that than women some of the things that I hear, you know, Robot husband what you kind of go can't believe you say that to each other and women we don't generally as much we it's not that we don't have banter but we generally are not used to throwing kind of criticism out because there's a fear that someone would take it the wrong way. Yeah, but you know so again and I'm just I suppose this is just talking about what contributes to women being more or women. Saying they're not kind of used to moving on from criticism as well as as well as men. Yeah, basically it's interesting though because like males. I mean like there's there's there's an increasing amount of suicide and depression and anxiety coming out but males now recent it's better over the last what 10 15 years. So maybe that do you ever think that that's just the way the mail males are is just a defense mechanism for imposter syndrome in a way like they just kind of what swipe it under the rug and that I mean for me as an example, like I'm not Jake and I mean my mates would always we love me saying this but some of the banter that we've had over the years even though you laugh and joke about it the time it sticks in there and it and it and it for me as an individual it kind of points in my life when I was not in the best head space it would create that core belief about myself, so I mean do you think do you yeah from research and stuff like same do you think that that is Not changing but do you think males just use defense mechanisms to kind of avoid it more? I don't know. Yeah, maybe it could be. Yeah could be a man. I don't have the specific research. Yeah, but the reality is were what we do know is that men don't talk about things as much as women with much. We're much better at talking about things and as we know with the brain if we can discuss stuff and discuss our you know, our negative beliefs that are going round and round and we actually bounce off other people. There's more chance that we can kind of there's more chance of us reframing it when we stay in our head. We are literally kind of having the same conversation over and over and that can just either just deepen that and and stop you from kind of moving on from it. So yes, it's I think as I said earlier the fact that It affects men and women differently differently. Sorry, it affects it affects men and women equally in terms of numbers, but I think women are I don't know approaching it or dealing with it more than men who wouldn't talk about it. So so yes, I think I think some really cool to talk about would be like anyone listen to this. I mean, what are some characteristics of Syndrome that if you are now speaking someone you can kind of recognize. Yeah, you'd be able to recognize. I mean is there like a list or yeah, I mean as I say, there's kind of go back to that cognitive behavioral model, which I talked about in the first podcast that we have our thoughts our behaviors our physical self and our emotions are all are all kind of mixed up and feed and into play and interweave with each other. So in terms of Identifying and that's what I would do. I suppose if I'm from working with someone is identify the way that common behaviors or common common thought patterns, which are associated with someone who's struggling with imposter syndrome. So again from a behavioral point of view, it would be there's a lot of those avoidant behaviors that people do not putting themselves forward for fear of being seen hiding away from doing things again in case they get found out that there are fraud. Procrastination, you know, I'm not going to do that again it when you do something you you increase the risk of something failing or you making mistakes. So you procrastinate and put stuff off what else in terms of behaviourally? Lying as I said earlier avoiding making decisions all these sorts of things will contribute and then on out from a from a thought if we look at our thoughts or identify thoughts are associated. You've got the core beliefs which are the deeper rooted stuff around. I'm not good enough, but from a day-to-day perspective, you've got all those responses how people respond to compliments or They respond to themselves. So I achieve that because I was lucky. Oh, I I was able to get into that presentation because they were just being really kind or they like me no not not actually identifying your effort and internalizing your success down to down to you self-criticism is just everywhere but self it's you know again being Very self-critical towards yourself is another area which would pinpoint well as I say so of criticism can be broad enough for many different aspects of someone psychological Health, but if someone is also self-criticism Crystal don't know why I'm struggling with that word tackle with themselves again, it feels that impostor syndrome. It's kind of like their see told you so see I told you you were not good enough for that. So they're all absolutely different aspects that you can identify with in relation to the Imposter syndrome, but the core and the root of it at the end of the day will be about your core beliefs that are based around conditional worth. What are your beliefs about the way you need to be or what you need to do that leaves you feeling worthy. That's what it comes down to so sometimes people do need help and support to understand that root problem, but equally Lie, there are you know, there's stuff that we can do. Without kind of understanding the root problems well and at the end of the day, like I said, it's exposing. I mentioned earlier about accepting compliments for example changing the way that we think and behave for a lot of things and especially in relation to this because to a certain degree. I kind of feel like I liken it to a bit to a kind of phobia. It's a phobia. It's a fear of being found out so actually exposure exposure therapy. Is what's really important to help people overcome fears and phobias of things which is effectively you have to expect you have to expose yourself to the thing that you fear. So let's work on an obvious one with spiders if I'm doing exposure therapy with some who's Arachnophobia quic, I have to say I never have done you don't start by bringing a tarantula against the room you start by talking about spiders and then you show them a picture and then you work your way up. So To help someone get over there imposter syndrome, especially if they've been avoiding a limiting limiting themselves in certain ways. You have to get them to expose themselves to situations that actually almost allows them to make mistakes allows them to own aspects which aren't perfect for them, you know start where the the the the risks on massively high and then you just help someone gradually expose themselves to situations that they would avoid generally for. Ever being found out and also working with the evidence, you know, you have to sometimes really point out evidence to people so at the end of the day if it was small little tips, like right the end of the day think about good things that you have achieved today. And what why did why did that happen? What did you contribute towards that success? It's almost forcing people to recognize and understand what they have done to make something happen. Or what what what did they do to create that success because what the mind will automatically do would be to associate it with something else or someone else so true. So you have to override that reinforce it do it over and over again as we know to change that neural pathway of disregarding your own efforts or aspects of yourself, which contributes towards your success. It's also so so unbelievably true and It's really funny when searing some you actually speak about it. All I think about is my dad just really really really weird. It's like he actually had him on the podcast and if you haven't listened to each time, it's a really good one. They well it's fascinating episode 50 and he's actually says talks about luck. He talks about he says I'm not been extremely lucky my whole life and I'm like, do you actually really do you honestly believe that because I don't think I believe in like, I think you create create your own and You know as much as I kind of speak am I my own successes so far, you know, I always put it down something else happening and never any myself but him I mean he has done over 200 shows worldwide and the Western Railway. He's worked with some of the best films of all time and it's still talks about luck and he's very self-critical and it's just like it's Bonkers is really Bonkers like someone that has worked that hard and there's that talented. It's never his own hard work and graph that's got in there. It's very straight is very it's really strange. But again, it will and it drives him still the guys the guys nearly 80 and he's and he's like and he and I and I was saying this is my girlfriend yesterday. I was like, I think he's still I think he's still working to prove to whoever himself that he is worthy. Of you know, I'm glad he's still working his keep sitting going to get going. But I think he's still chasing something and it's it's just and that's it. You can see that the the kind of the conflict or the disparity between it being healthy that drive being healthy and potentially at being unhealthy, you know, and in relation to your to your dad. again, I would I wouldn't know and I would hate to make assumption but if there's a core belief there that actually to say yes II did this makes him feel like he's being arrogant about something when the reality is, of course people certain people have have potentially or situations have emerged which are out of your control which have contributed so That's fine to acknowledge that there is an element of luck to things that are totally out of our control. But if you solely attribute it to luck that again, that's the difference. Once again, I'm talking about the Continuum, you know, it's it's fine and and realistic to to acknowledge that certain things have happened that you don't know how they've happened and actually the perhaps sometimes you have been. The right time the right place, but you have put yourself there and then you've acted upon it and you've acted upon it. So it is a combination but it's the dangerous bit is where you never you never attribute it to what you have done also on the other side of the coin. I mean from what I've read about him passenger in the past is it hinders people a lot from ever reaching because they're too afraid of I'm not sure how much I've raised is that the hindered in terms of the true potential in a way, right? So yeah, I mean, is that something that you commonly? Yeah. So again, it kind of feeds into the avoidant behavior. Yeah. It's very difficult to reach your full potential. If you won't stretch yourself and put yourself in situations where there is a fear that you might be uncovered. We all have to to push ourselves and to reach our full potential we have Stretch, we have to have stretched goals. Yeah, we have to we have to put ourselves in situations that don't feel comfortable. And so yes someone with imposter syndrome will avoid or hide away from those sorts of situations potentially not all of them. But you know, not everyone with imposter syndrome does that but there some people will which will limit their ability to reach their full potential because there are not stretching themselves. They're there to Too fearful of being found out. Mmm. So interest I mean at this kind of leaves on like full circle. I mean, although this is not know like personal therapy kind of say way but there are other ways of Working on it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I don't want to my biggest fear at the moment is that we're actually a level here at the gym was moving very nicely and you know, I'm suddenly taken two mornings off a week from the gym where I'm sleeping and I tie wake up more stressed and more anxious. When I do that then when I'm here at six o'clock in the morning because I feel That's I can't I got too comfortable I should be doing so I shouldn't I don't feel like I deserve to be sleeping in I don't deserve late for like if I'm not working under 16 18 hour day. I feel like I'm I'm not working hard enough. And yeah, I mean, that's crazy. I don't particularly want I do want another challenge. I'm ready for another challenge. I'm looking forward to opening up the gym bench. Really, but I just don't think that that's like a relentlessness that could potentially destroy and that is looking online when I when we talked about doing this one. That was my main kind of thinking When I Look to myself, I don't want to be that person that's never happy. Hmm. So I mean for anyone that's listening which there will be many that kind of think in similar ways. What kind of things could you date? I mean in specifically to you and what you just said there. It all comes down to to a certain degree how you are defining. It's your it's how you are defining. What success looks like. It's how you are defining what being motivated. Business owner looks like so the moment you've created this rule that to demonstrate your commitment to work. You need to be working this amount of time. For you to be seen as successful or to you to feel like you're being successful you need to work this amount. So a lot of imposter syndrome is is about redefining what success means to you. What does it look? Like? What does a motivated driven Hayden look like? Because at the moment you've got an expectation of yourself, which is it limits you because actually what it doesn't do massively what we talked about last time is doesn't give you as much ability to have down time alone time resting time just time out from from the business which is so so important. So it is about redefining a lot of this is about redefining what how how we perceive. Ourselves in relation to being successful sure. Yeah makes sense. And then as I said, it's it is about in terms of what we can do. It's about looking at what our core beliefs are rules the shoulds and shoulds and the shouldn'ts what are they? Is that working for us? Is it is it relevant to the evidence that you have around your capabilities and abilities in certain things. It's about exposing yourself to the things. That you feel uncomfortable and more importantly again is working with yourself criticism. It's working and relearning how to use compassion and kindness. and that it's okay to kind of be your your own biggest fan to a certain degree, you know, you've got to give yourself. You've got to give yourself permission to be able to take time out. That doesn't redefine your commitment. Yeah. Well, it doesn't challenge your commitment to work or who you are or what this needs to be. You know, there's as a number of different things, but they're the kind of the core the core things. Yeah. I mean, it's funny. Go I got some friends who are business owners as well and the rule equally successful in their in their own right and it's just funny to see how they all kind of deal with it. It's funny. It's um, it's just that it's a like I love this reason. I saw the podcasters this demographic that I'm trying I want people to tune in and listen like the 20s that sort of early 30s a kind of this is an important time for the next 20 years of your life in terms of how you feel about yourself and and a sustainable, you know way of living. I mean, it's a critical time and one of the problems that we have especially in relation to people in the 20s or the up and coming Generations is that we live in a culture of validation and approval. Hmm. And again, if we think about imposter syndrome is about conditional worth we are constantly looking to do Things that will gain the approval and confirmation that we're good enough at something. So if you think about what social media does for that we are living in a culture where validation and approval is core to so many people's lives. So remember a few weeks ago. Tuning into Piers Morgan on ITV in the morning because they would they were talking about or actually he was kind of debating around what Instagram had done. They were testing in Canada taking off the like button in Instagram because and they've done it from a kind of social responsibility. Sorry things to to try to quash this whole approval and validation and the impact that it's having on people psychological health I'm Pace was getting very up to you about it because he was getting fed up with everybody talking about mental health and actually in this ground is just a fun thing that he disengages with them. But the problem is that's great. He's got it kind of suss, he uses Instagram as a fun source of promoting himself or finding stuff out but for some people and I'm actually dare I say the majority of people it is a platform for validation and approval. It's if you know what I watched so funny that is come to this. I've been thinking about it at points during this chart. I watched a video on YouTube on the weekend of Simon sinek. Have you ever heard of this guy? He's unbelievable speaker, and he talks about the millennial generation and how social media I want to get this really bang on how social media is. It's a drug. It's essentially a drug because we're in a generation now. We're like you said we've kind of had that pathway. We've been kind of model to an extent a lot of us and you you're you're awarded things throughout those years. And then once you go into the wide big wide world, you know, you're not necessarily going to be given something just because you've showed up. Yeah. and he talks then he then talks on to you know how Millennials going into the workplace why depression anxiety is so so high and that's a reason and then he goes on to talk about social media and he said, You're the validation is to an extent. It becomes a drug because every time you look at your phone, you'll gain hit you're getting a hit of dopamine and when you get when you get a like and if you're if you're if suddenly you don't you're not getting the likes and you know, I'm I doing something wrong. I was going on, you know, you start to doubt yourself. And then that's another Avenue for you to turn increases, you know, depression and anxiety anxiety to creep in and it's yeah, it's a Really as a really frightening. It's a really frightening frightening thing that it's got to this point. But some of my peers moving a users of fun and I try and use it in that in that aspect as well. But you know, it's I see a lot of people where you know, it gets to that point where you know, they're soaked so so concerned about what their personal images and how it's being translated to everyone else and whether they're getting the positive reinforcement from it is yeah, this is and then when you're and that turns Into the positive reinforcement from something external and actually something you're really out of control of versus how you positively reinforce yourself. Yeah. Yeah, and it is it is something that ends up being out of control if we're relying on other people to to validate us and to validate what we're doing on a day-to-day basis because we're posting pictures off of what we're doing and what we're eating or Wait list is endless but we open ourselves up and we open our lives up to be judged and to either be invalidated or not. And so you're right if imposter syndrome won't get anything. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why it's probably becoming more and more and more prevalent because of because of the culture and the world that we live in because our worth for the day ends up being conditional on the amount of likes that we have received. To Graham and Facebook dark on is it is when you really think about our concert, isn't it? But that is the word that world that we live in and again if you stay on autopilot and it becomes the norm which it does for many people. Then you will just excuse you won't be aware of what's going on or how it's impacting you. So it's it's really important. If you're if you're struggling with the special as I say that a kind of underlying anxiety that can just bubble and bubble. If you're constantly needing the Val endure the validation from other people. To have a sense of worthiness. Hmm. Honestly. I find this absolutely fascinating. I really appreciate you coming down and talking to an enough for you. Probably before I was born hours if there's anything in particular you think be worthy of finishing on it already if you think we've covered majority of but honestly, it's it's an unbelievably interesting topic and I really hope people, you know, really get a good down there over this because this is this is really really important stuff it is and it really is and my only comfort Sign off statement would be just Own It Own It Stars start practicing what it feels like to own it and it will feel uncomfortable but own, you know have a look at the successes at the end of each day. It's a really really simple thing what's going well today and what did I do to contribute towards that that's one very simple basic kind of exercise that you can do with yourself to start getting your brain used to identifying and paying attention to the effort that you put into the things that go well. A hundred percent. I'm going to start doing that myself, please do thanks so much for this. I really appreciate it.

What is ‘Imposter Syndrome’? Impostor Syndrome is characterized by the conviction that you don't deserve your success. It is the feeling that you're not as intelligent, creative or talented as other people seem to believe you are. It is the suspicion that your achievements are down to luck, good timing or just being in the right place at the right time. And it is accompanied by the fear that, one day, you'll be exposed as a fraud. On this episode I have back on the show Dr Vanessa Moulton. I spoke to Vanessa briefly about this topic after we stopped recording our last episode and I was really eager to get her back on to talk about this. I have struggled with imposter syndrome that last two years specifically and was really excited to hear the views and  knowledge of somebody who deals with seeing it in people everyday. What we spoke about in this fascinating episode: What is imposter syndrome. The gender difference when it comes to imposter syndrome. How imposter syndrome can hinder your full potential. The importance of flexibility of thought in this regard. How can you work on it? My personal mindset when it comes dealing with my own ‘Imposter Syndrome’ How we create rules in our own mind and how we must define our own meaning of success. How validation and approval from external sources, i.e social media, can be detrimental.

It's Netter just talking to teachers talking to teachers about academic research and evidence-based practice with continuing professional development at PNA 1977 on Twitter Schnatter. Just talking to teachers. Hello, and welcome to another nail is Ngata and this week. I'm in conversation with Matt pink. It's who is the co-author of the vital book with Mark Roberts boys, don't try. Also on the podcast this week, we have podcast pedagogy in which I review what they didn't teach me on my pgce by Sarah Mullen which is an absolute Blockbuster of a book but more of that later on so back to boys. Don't try and interview with Matt and this is probably one of the most open and honest interviews I've ever had the pleasure to record in the approaching 50 near as naty's that we've done and I feel extremely passionate about the book and its themes and that really inspired me to share. Parts of my experience of the books themes. So boys. Don't try examines the researcher and key topics, which is anxiety and achievement behaviour and bullying schoolwork and self-esteem and Mark and Matt offer us ways to avoid problematic behavior and how to address this by boys and highlights key areas of pastoral care and they also expose how popular approaches to engaging buys our best misguided and at worst damage it so Matt is a fantastic guest he's Eloquent, he's knowledgeable and he's got lots of experience that are richly rooted in the classroom. So I'm sure that you will enjoy this. So without further Ado over to my interview with Matt Pinkett on boys. Don't try Okay, so hi Matt and welcome to the podcast. Hello. Hello and thanks for doing this in the Christmas holidays. So they'll be a long distant memory by the time this. He's out but we are just at the end at the point where you start to discover where your school stuff is. Well that marking in the back of your car hasn't been touched and that sort of period so thanks for joining us. No worries looking forward to it. Okay, so as we always start with usually give a gentle introduction, so I'm sure that listeners a very much aware of your work and particular the book is we're going to talking about tonight. But if you could just give us a little bit of an introduction about you and your career to this point. Yeah, okay. So I guess I came in kind of late into teaching. So 2012. I started I think I was about 20 26 at the time. And what did I do? I did GTP there. I always do. You know what I always wanted to teach. I wanted to teach from another like 13 years old maybe younger 12 years old, but then I went to University. I was just sick of universe. I didn't want to do any more. Names, I've got my I got my degree and then I'll just act it all off but lucky enough. I found myself in a series of jobs. I didn't enjoy and then I saw an advert for the nerve to graduate. Is it a graduate teacher program? It was the last year they were doing it. So I'm you know bothered by that time. I was 26 out of flat and all the rest of it I had to pay for so I couldn't really afford to go back to UNI. But this graduate teach program. There's a lot of paid placement. So I did I did a year there and I'll stay in the school for four years after that. Then I moved to another school called King's College in Guilford where I was head of English as an amazing place. I'll always be proud of everything that the students and the teachers did there and then in September September just gone. I joined the rise School in Felton which a special school for autistic people and I'm assistant head of Learning and assessment are brilliant brilliant a lot of talk about that. Yeah. So what we're going to do is focus really the podcast going to be about your book. So at me it's a fantastic book. It's something that we've read quite a lot when I was at the research school. We read quite a lot of that because a lot of the stuff that you're talking about there is steeped in a lot of research and in practical application, which is kinda stuff that we were trying to do. So the booking question is of course boys, don't try so just tell us a little bit about the Genesis of the book. And how it started with your blog balance for bodies. Okay, so it's a balance of boys. Yeah, so balance for boys as a title of a blog post. I wrote In which I said some pretty awful stuff. I said some good stuff in there as well. I think I mean it's still on my it's still on my it's still on my blog. I am you taking it down despite the fact that I'm embarrassed by some of the stuff that's in there. I think it's important that I kind of have this record of like how far I've come and my my attitude Which gender and gender and schooling but anyway in this blog post entitled but balance for boys I said that I said that English is over feminized which is ludicrous. It's so problematic that statement the I basically I was asked the whole blog I was talking about English and I said that I think I think this is almost a direct quote I said, English teachers across the country are so focused on the dressing and undoing the deplorable wrongs inflicted on women in society media and literature for centuries that they're inadvertently alienating. The boys are kind of argued that the subject was over feminized and that as a result boys just weren't engaging with it. And I think that's a problematic thing to say because what it does is it suggests that It's just that the things that English are about, you know, expression and creativity and Human Condition and all the rest of it. It suggests that those things were exclusively female and they're not there human things not female things or male things. But anyway that blog some of it resonated with people and then all of a sudden I just was writing more and more more stuff about about Boys and kind of running parallel to the kind of stuff that I was writing about boys in education my co author Mark Roberts was also doing the very same I think he was doing a little bit better than I was but he was doing it too and I remember one day just got in touch on Twitter. We've never even met before and he was like, I like some of like the cut of your jib or whatever. I liked some of the stuff you've got to say. Do you want to maybe write a book together? either it was all it was like it was like the strange set of I like coincidence coincidence. So circumstances really so Mark got in touch with me and said you want to write a book together one day we can submit a proposal to loads of different Publishers. And I said, yeah, let's let's do it and we were just kind of tinkering around with a proposal and some rough ideas and then another blog I wrote so what kind of removal why was it might have been the militant tenderness one, but another blog I wrote. Kind of did the rounds on Twitter and Facebook and social media. And in that same week. I had two different Publishers get in touch with me and saying Joanna, right? You want to write a book for us and I was like, well, it's funny. You should say that because there's a writer that's a bear right that I have it easy to be able to write a book together. So yeah, and then then it all went from there. Brilliant brilliant, but in terms of tonight, we're going to stick to your chapters because obviously, you know, Mark isn't this isn't here to speak about his chapter. So yeah, if people do want to sort of a comprehensive overview of the whole book, I believe there is a podcast whose name. I remove its page practice podcast. I think it's called I'm pretty sure it's called and and Becks who runs that I think they've done a podcast on the whole book, but why does he have? Yeah, and it's been a really popular one that has well. I know that it's really really good podcast that that's one that I've got on my Not too frequent visits to the gym, which need to be more. In fact, I was reading a lot of your stuff today. I was thinking yes, I could totally agree with your thoughts today about the reason to go to the gym. But once you get past 40 that sort of stuff doesn't matter. Anyway, Nobody Does that no one's mother out there. Anyway, move it back to dragging it back to this. So your chapters start with chapter 2 in terms of disadvantaged students. So it's a two part question here. Could you start with your definition for disadvantaged students and then tell listeners why you feel if the education system is kind of centered on middle class values. Yeah, sure. So so I started I used to turn disadvantaged students rather than working class students. It struck me that actually working working class people doing. All right, all of my mates are working class and they'll they'll loan two ounces each one of them, you know, they go to UNI they work in the trades and stuff like that and they're and they're all Will do in the remaining well for themselves, whereas I went to University and I've got I've got are full, you know, so that the working class is problematic. So I went with the term disadvantaged students and actually when I talk about disadvantaged students I'm talking about this thing that these group of people that Mike Savage in his book class in the 21st century describes as the precariat class. It's the precariat class and and the precariat class is made up of those people who kind of live and work in precarious circumstances. It's the people that don't have savings the people who you know, who's whose lives are always at the mercy of somebody else I think, you know the people that live from one pay packet or one income support payment to the next the people who You know who our landlord could could could say one day actually I'm setting up and these people are stuck. You know, or someone that says sorry. I can't give you the hours. It's mums are the precariat class to these people is kind of lies are always Dublin by other people's decisions and governed by by people who probably richer and better off than they are it's important to say I think in the But people premium as a kind of proxy for disadvantaged students. I realize now that actually that's a little bit problematic Becky Allen's has written a lot about this but actually the moment you get the moment pupil premium students the kind of income support and benefits and that they get actually raises their their their income above what you might Right above the threshold of the Working Poor. So actually in schools. I think we do need to be aware of that. Actually our pupil premium students aren't always the poorest students in our school. But anyway, yeah, so when I'm talking about disadvantaged students and talking about those people who who live whose lives are governed by other people's decisions. And yeah, Book I talk about the fact that I believe. the teaching is Inherently, a middle-class profession that centers around middle-class values and you can see this. I mean I see. Yeah, I mean, it's maybe it's different from me. Right? I live I live in sorry. I'll get that. I live in our work in sorry, but Conversations in staff room, you know teachers talking about their weekends in in the Swiss Alps. I still hear teachers using that word Trav. I still see teachers looking disdainfully upon students that come in on non-uniform days wearing a track. So I still see people laughing about the Jeremy Kyle show and not realizing how how explorative it is, you know teachers talk. in about road bikes, you know, maybe who addict out what I guess. It's I guess it's my own. I've got my own issues there. But but apart from that kind of anecdotal stuff that there was a teacher tap cervix survey last year in which 71 percent of respondents identified it as middle class rather than working class or upper class. And that that disappointed me and I think I went to Twitter and I'll kind of express my disappointment and people said well Matt, the fact is you're a teacher you earn, you know, your the moment you earn over 30 grams. You can't legitimately caught yourself. You can't remind you earn over 30 grand. You can't legitimately call yourself. Working class but those people are always so why not? What did just because I just because I am now on a so-called middle-class wage. I'm supposed to just Reject everything I experienced fire. To the time I own that wage. I meant to just not talk what you know, forget the forget all the years of struggle forget the people on the estate forget all that and now just declare myself. Middle class just because I own a certain wage I think thing is Disappointment in you know, I'll see plenty of working-class people their loads of teachers who come from working class backgrounds and 71 percent of them are saying that they're now middle class. Well, I don't see so many middle-class people losing everything and then going around telling the world that they're working class. It just seems It seems a bit off to me. You know. Listen, I absolutely absolutely do know and I'm sat here in what could you know kind of be called the small study corner of the bedroom with a picture of a picture of George Orwell, which is just very very, yeah react for this kind of conversation in terms of somehow I would always identify myself as working class. So I would be one of the minority of people that you're talking about because the reason that a lot of my family were that, you know, I mean, The family tree you went back as far as I could find and they were all mine is from Wigan having there wasn't anything hell. Yes, but it's interesting. You said that in terms of cents on middle class. And if you don't mind me just share in one quick anecdote and it's not really about me this conversation but in a school I was in previously and we had a 10 or a system for doing brick times and and you know, it was a senior leaders responsibility to read out a prepared script for where people should go in the event of a wet break time, and I did it once and you probably picked It up the fact that I've got a reasonably strong Regional dialect yet, which is softening slightly. Now that I've moved to the you know slightly more affluent areas of living Saint Anne's, you know, it's slightly softening but I did it once and then they wouldn't allow me to do it again and I had a lot of mockery in the staff room around by describing of social spaces. They said we can't have somebody with Mike doing that it just thought so that that just shows you the inherent middle-class payers which you describe really really well in that chapter. yeah, I mean don't get me started on the accent thing it I'm sorry to hear that you've had to deal with that because I've had to deal with it to people just can't get over the way I speak like I mean get I dropped a teaser case and get over it, you know in it's frustrating but this this middle-class thing, you know. The focus on University that kind of thing that is never said, you know going on to do an apprenticeship or not going to University is failure, you know, I don't know. The problem when I talk about this is that I guess some of my own. Insecurities, I guess come into play. But what is and what is not disputable, you know, like, you know, 71 percent of teachers identify and there's middle class for me. That is problematic. Diane re in a book miseducation. She put it brilliantly. She said we're talking about this sector everyone, you know, I own 30 grand now now on middle-class the moment you come from a working-class background and you start describing your middle class what you're really saying is that you're a somebody and if you're a somebody then the people you left behind all of a sudden and no bodies, and I just got I'm uncomfortable with the fact that 71 percent of the teachers who are teaching our kids are saying that they are middle-class when almost certainly 71 percent of the population isn't middle class, you know now and this is idea that you know by getting education you then can break free from all of the previous things that you were associated with had a conversation with Martin Robinson at that, you know, is is there anything wrong with you know aspiring to you know be a Personally in a particular trade who likes going to the Opera. Is there anything wrong with being? Yeah, it worked in the supermarket likes the theater, you know it just education for you know education to be able to think the way that you want to think rather than to get out of the Gaya current place that you either live or and and the language the semantics is always about breaking free. It's about escaping. It's about rising up. And again, I'll quote by Andrei again if she says, you know what the working class really what they really need. They don't need to rise out of their class. They need to rise with their class, you know, and so Yeah, I mean, I mean it's a fascinating subject. But yeah, you know and talking just just continue a little bit too soft want to make no points on the no I'm aware that some people might be listening to see you in these. He's letting his own personal things impose on this issue. But but you know still you hear people saying, oh, we've got a discount on these revision guides for you all. They were only three quid each only free quit, but for some people frequent isn't only three quid frequent is a lot of money, you know, some of the disdain that you you see expressed for parents that look a certain way or speak a certain way or present themselves to certain way to parents evening. People don't want to admit it, but it but I feel that it's there. I mean, I think Britain is a classless society and I think too often teachers feel that they have to present themselves as kind of impervious to all the biases that everybody else is susceptible to but teachers are human just like everybody else. And so I think the first thing we need to consider as with anything any kind of inequality in our in our system. Is actually maybe maybe we are a little too middle class. That's that's my piece on that now and as you know, it's very rare that I go off in terms of offering opinions on the pockets. But I mean, it's something that really resonated with me in terms of you know, I'm not from a family of teachers nobody's ever set foot in a classroom as a teacher out of anyone that I know which I also seem to be quite a rarity because most teachers seem to know other teachers or be related to other teachers or all that kind of yeah, so that anyway pull it pull on it. I'm so pull it back to the book. Sorry about God. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I just wanted to add one resentment for people for being middle class. I don't but I do resent a system. That seems to exclude. People that don't own certain amounts of money. That's all I'll say. Okay, so at me at the end of the chapters you offer some solutions and you're talking the Final Chapter if I finally thought of the chapter that they said that the main or the main thing holding back working class students is attitude. So tell us a little bit more about what you mean by that and maybe some of the solutions that you offered for teachers, you know around this issue. Yeah. I think I think attitude to what equates to success in school, I think still in many schools. Success is University attendance. And I think that's I think that's a huge huge problem. I think you know, you see prospectuses. Yeah prospectus. It's cool prospectuses in which they proudly talk about the fact that ten of their students are now Oxford Cambridge or exits or something where where where's the, you know little little Jimmy went on to become the best plumber in the area. You don't see it. It's I think all right attitudes towards set. I think we need to move away from being kind of exam Focus or university Focus or further study focus and actually be be a bit more in the book. I think I said, we just need to be more person focused. We need to change our attitudes towards success and actually successes and going to University or going on to do academic subjects at College successes. Is is developing human beings that are comfortable in themselves happy and proud of what they choose to do. I mean we did they need options. Of course. but yeah, I think we need to we need to because you said earlier about what's wrong with somebody choosing to go into a trade and being interested in the Opera. I think I think you're exactly right there. But I think a lot of the discourse chicky around exam time is about the future and a future that involves University will hire study as a rate and what if there is a kid in your class that does want to go and work with his dad as a landscape Gardener the The feels like he he can't. Get involved in the discussions that happening on in class can't talk about Opera can't talk about great works of literature or great discoveries in science because so much of the discourse around Academia is tied in with University attendance. So I think we just need to change our attitudes what constitutes success absolutely absolutely so just move into chapter 4 now. So in chapter 4 we took you talk about mental health and you set up the chapter with an insight into how Romeo and Juliet is about male mental health. So how do you link Romeo and Juliet 21st century Britain? Do you know what the connection I meant at the time was was suicide. I noticed that there are a lot of parallels with the kind of things that Romeo is. present in and and the kind of mental health struggles that the people have to that. You know, when when we first see him his father tells Benvolio that Romeo was I can't remember the exact quote but Romeo keep he's locking himself away can't get out of bed. I think he's keeping the curtains drawn and shutting out the sunlight now that To me that seems that's what depression feels like for me and for other people and yet then he meets Juliet and he has the kind of manic. His Manic high and I saw parallels with bipolar there and then you clearly depressed and in the end he kills himself. So there are there are parallels I think with What? Young people and we're all people are experienced today in mental health. And the brownie on although on the other hand perhaps it's poorly because you know unlike lots of young men. Today Romeo actually speaks a lot about how he's feeling because all the time about he seen it. However, he is berated for doing so far Lawrence tells him how tears all thy tears are womanish. So once he while he does talk a lot. He is berated for doing so and certainly nowadays most of the teachers. I know anyway are trying to encourage young people to talk about how they feel. So so yeah, and what you do really really well in all the chapters is you go back to a real depth of research and evidence in terms of you know, that the key points. So could you outline some of the key research on suicide anger and self-harm? Yeah, I mean, I know it's a cliche I say this in the book is a cliche but you know that at 75 percent of suicides the young men young men and I'm sure everybody knows that but that that is that is still it's still a dreadful statistic. What else is there boys from the most boys in the most deprived 10% of society are twice as likely to kill themselves as those in the least deprived? Irish traveller boys are seven times more likely to kill themselves than them. than other boys 24 percent of boys aged 14 to 16 engage in self harm interestingly the most most likely way that is would be alcohol alcohol abuse, but but the second most popular way popular as a bad word, but second most common way that boys self-harm is punching walls 19% of sorry 19% of self-harm in boys aged fourteen, six vendors punching walls things like controlling their eating 16% over-exercising 12% and yeah, I do know boys when I worked in a school with a sixth form around exam time, you know, you see the boys in the gym and really really pushing themselves in there in ways that I don't necessarily know think 16 17 18 year old boy should be so Yeah, there's a little heartbreaking things and it's increasing suicide on young men went 20 up 23% in 2018 23% and yet we're currently apparently more open about these kind of issues than we ever have been before. Yeah, it's a bit of a worry. So you follow it up with some advice. So what kind of advice do you offer to school leaders? I think so much. I think we need to model emotional openness leaders and teachers and when I talk about most emotional openness, I mean sensitivity and tenderness, you know always need to see men and women in positions of authority being kind and being tender and being vulnerable and being weak. I think that's key. We need to be I think we need to be providing meant to talk to you as well. I'd ask. So I think in lots of pastoral teams in lots of pastoral teams certainly in my experience and also this is based off a Twitter poll. I did in lots of past all teams the you know, you always have that kind of teacher who's like that the home school liaison person and the one that's the shoulder to cry on but when kids have problems the one that gets to know mom or dad rings home when there's a problem too often. These people are female and often. The if there is a male on the Pastoral team. He's he's like the behavior guy who goes round throwing his weight around a bit. And actually is there a kind warm open man therefore boys talk to when they when they have problems. I think we need to provide care for male self harm. As I said earlier kid punches a wall when it does happen all the time, especially around they get to 16. I mean they punch Jamal's at parties. They're punching walls in school. And what they're doing is they're coming in to school the next day after you know, they've had a party over the weekend and they come in school now she is on their Knuckles and wearing these bruises like trophies and actually punching a wall or even other self-destructive behaviors fronting up to a teacher fighting on the playground. I think we need to get across these things need to be sanctioned. But also we need to consider what if this is a form of self harm I think we need to harness the benefits of physical exercise. I think speaking to be teachers. Still too many kids are getting away with just not doing PE because they don't want to and they forged a note. I think we really need to think carefully about how we can get all children involved in physical exercise at school. I think that probably means providing a broader range of activities in PE that you know on those PE teacher doing an amazing job out there, but I'm sure that still in some schools the provision is Is limited to football rugby and netball and I think you know, I hear of schools doing yoga and orienteering and I think that's brilliant. Then we need to think more carefully about how we can get more boys and girls involved in physical exercise it we need to eradicate homophobia. That's a huge one. So, I think it's 60 percent of gay or bisexual boys. We've considered taking their own lives. I just want sixty percent of gay or bisexual boys at sixty percent of gay or bisexual children. So again, I think I think teachers need to I think they need to be more lgbtq+ clubs in school. I think that heterosexual teachers as well as gay teachers bisexual teachers. could stand and put themselves out there was Advocates or role models for this kind of initiative. I think still there was a problem with language and using gay in the pejorative sense. I still go. I still think much more needs to be done about that as well. But yeah, I mean it's all there it's all there would but we need to talk with boys using their language. So a lot of a lot of the time what we say is that the boys aren't speak about their mental health, but actually I think maybe there are often times. We're just not listening. So there's a study in Australia in which they asked they asked a group of men who had either attempted suicide all were clinically depressed and ask them when you tried to kill yourself or when you are having a real real down day during a period of depression or kind of language to you use to convey that fact to your friends. And they were saying things like oh I'm stressed or I'm tired. What women are much more likely to say? I'm really anxious or I think I might be depressed whereas men are using kind of. Austin its language to do with work or just had enough of it today or I'm bit stress and boys use these things all the time. They say on tired. I've had enough. I'm just feeling a bit stressed out at the moment and actually these are kind of acceptable male ways of Conveying the actually there's a deeper underlying issue. So we need to listen out for for the fact that boys actually they might be speaking to us. Now I'm slightly and just moving into chapter 6 now my if we can so chapter 6 is on sex and sexism and the stories in the start of the chapter paint quite a depressing picture about the harassed the sorry about the harassment that female teachers face daily. So what does the research say in the area of sex and sexism Again more for me interestingly. This is the chapter that people seem not to want to talk about and yet for me. It's it's the most shocking in terms of what's in there, you know, so in 2006 17 the woman's inequalities committee, they found that almost a third of girls have experienced unwanted sexual touching us. There's another report by UK feminista. They found that 59 percent of girls who've experienced sexual harassment at school. And yet quite depressingly only six percent of students who have witnessed or experienced sexual harassment at school have actually reported it to a teacher. So if 59% of experienced it but only 6% of this 59% are actually reporting it because people think it's This would set which is what happens at school boys grow up. You boys wolf whistle that you boys talk about masturbation to the point. It makes you feel uncomfortable. They just do it and that's just that's just a damn thing. And also, it's embarrassing of course isn't it to go and talk to a teacher that you're feeling uncomfortable about that sort of thing. I mean 29 percent of teachers say that sexist language is a regular daily occurrence. Twenty-nine percent. That's huge. And I bet you twenty nine percent of teachers is to this 2900, but I bet you a hundred percent of those on reporting it but I mean that's speculation. So I just think there needs to be more clarity. I think I think teachers don't know exactly what constitutes sexual harassment in school. It's not it's not just groping wolf-whistling. Yeah looks a making crash jokes about sex giggling about innuendos. Making other people feel uncomfortable. It happens all the time and I think because it happens so often teaches become immune to it. They become kind of becomes normalized. But actually what schools need to do is they need to be clear and you know, there needs to be a policy increasingly in schools with finding, you know, there are policies on what constitutes homophobia their policies and what constitutes racism but I don't see so much policies laying out exactly what constitutes sexual harassment in schools because it's very easy. So you can actually just list this is an impact that the DAV I've already done it in 2018. They release it's in the book. I can't remember but they actually published a set of guidelines literally outlining exactly what constitutes sexual harassment in schools. So lewd comments. That is sexual harassment. Okay, but I bet lewd comments happen all the time in lessons with some Students in some schools and nothing happens. So, you know and I've actually spoken to teachers and said look this is what you need to do. They're uncomfortable with it. I don't know why but certainly schools need to be looking at these guidelines releasing a policy sending a letter home. So everybody's clear on it and then teachers a clear on it and then the next time the girl feels uncomfortable when someone makes a paedophile joke or next time. One, you know grab someone by the Bulls then, you know or my private parts and all the sudden a kid knows that that is wrong and they can they can report it to the teacher and the teacher can see that it's wrong and making they can sort it out. Absolutely. And yeah, if you want to look at that later that the evidence and the research is very clearly outlined in that chapter and in chapter 6, so for people who haven't got the book and you know, that's definitely worth delving into it. Little bit more detail in terms of you know how to do that as a leader in school. Hmm, that's Millions chapter 8 now my if we can so this time for one of my favorite stories here. So this is a lovely segue from a quite a very serious topic into quite a personal story. But you know this really resonated with me as a kind of you know, a male teacher I suppose. So in chapter 8 on violence you tells a story about the remnants of a half-eaten Kebab. So just just tell us a little bit more about that story. Yeah, it was just one of those moments of kind of masking impotency. I think cumin feel so it's a true story about when I was about 15 16 years old in a kebab shop eating a kabob and the first of many I hasten to add but but yeah, even think about having free leads free leads free. That's about two or three years older than me. They were after six came in and just to just just took the piss out. Basically, one of them kept flicking my my ears as well just made me feel feel feel horrible. Really I didn't I didn't put it in the book. But I mean I sat there after they left cry my eyes out and then I went home and then I left the apps and I stalk the streets for hours trying to find them. Thinking when I say I'm going to sort them out all three of them never mind the fact that they're all to Stone heavier than me and you know twice as big as me I'm going to sort them out. And I never did find them that night and probably I didn't actually want to but you know for years afterwards, it's always played me I start. Yeah, I still see these boys around but they're not boys anymore, but I still have to walk past them in the street and I've often felt that actually I think I went went to bed that night safe. I have my head kicked in, you know, because if I'd found these boys They will if they would have killed me. So I went to bed a little bit embarrassed. My pride has been broken, but my face was all right, but I still felt like a failure and I said somewhere else recently at the time. I would have rather gone to bed in a hospital bed. Bruised and broken but having done something having stuck up for myself rather than go to bed say from and as I did because I just sat there and just let them. Humiliate me in front of everybody. So yeah, I mean and this is a tough one these moments because you feel emasculated and the guy called. Dr. Anthony Ellis. He's written a book. I think it's called masculinities and violence and he talks about the very real fact that for many men, but enjoy these moments of humiliation. Where they feel that they have not acted as a man should later on in life. They will try to atone for those moments and I don't want to talk about it too much but Certainly, I feel that later on in life. There were times when? well, maybe I conducted myself in ways that I shouldn't because I was still ruminating on that moment and the moment somebody humiliated me and I just took it. Sighs so yeah. Yes, she hardly. It's a funny one it really it. Well, it is an Everyman who's reading that will have a story like that and it resonated, you know with me and I can think of exactly at the time when that happened to me, but I mean in terms of sharing I'll show it very very quickly. So I had gone from being sort of hero to you know, massively 0 within the space of about half an hour. So, you know, these these stories often revolve around football so scores winning goal in you know game against school. That was next door. The nineteen eighties, you know, so I'm a bit old. Yeah, but you know, they didn't have anything like, you know security fences or anything between the two schools. So your score the goal you come out like a here or you with your mates, then three of the next door School jump on you at the end of the day as you walk out the front the school the rest of your mates disappear pretty Lively and you get you know, I rather got hiding and fortunately for one of the things about the 1980s was that people would intervene and they weren't scared the consequences. So fortunate, you know a car driving past, you know. Sort of an older gentleman got out and shoot him away. But yeah exactly as you felt it just feel like running through that in your mind how you could do it differently. What kind of things you do next year how you would do that and having to live with that quick back into school from what should have been the best day of school coming in to actually to worst and I often think about it. Now in terms of you know, glamour father of a secondary school age pupil now so, you know, I think about what kind of things would I share out of that and I think that chapter on that really really helped sort of crystallized my thinking there would you would you say you're over? When you're educated now, you're you know, you're a teacher you're liberal when you're open-minded and your which we having this we're having this discussion. Would you say you're over that humiliation? All that emasculation? Well, the fact that I can still remember it after what's going to be in my case. The it's got it must be about exactly 30 years says that probably not fully I often thought that it may be taught me the lesson that I need to be taught which is a strange way of thinking that I'd become almost You know too big for my boots, which I don't I think I don't know. I don't think I could do nothing. I particularly had but ya know I certainly I don't know is the answer I suppose and it's becoming more of a thing because you know, what advice do you give to your son in terms of because you to go and talk about testosterone and testosterone being a complicated beast. And you think what kind of advice do I now give to my son if he was to be in that kind of situation. I think that's really interesting. yeah, I think it's this testosterone thing is it's interesting, isn't it? It's like I think I called testosterone is like comment was it saves as masculine? He's escaped go or something. Yeah. This is like a get out. You know boys are just violent because of this thing called testosterone, but actually this whole this whole testosterone thing. I think that yeah, I call it a fairy tale. We can't put testosterone. We can't reliably say that testosterone is responsible for male violence because Cordelia fine, she writes a brilliant book called. I mean it's testosterone Rex and energy. You know, she explained. I mean the whole book is a dismantling of this testosterone myth but so few things that stuck out and they got testosterone is quite an easy measure we can weaken as I understand it levels of testosterone quite easy to measure but it's kind of crude because there are other kind of Seasonal biology that are far more difficult to miss it measure things like you should and levels and the right or the way in which it converts to testosterone the number and nature of various receptors in our body. How each of these receptors are sensitive and how sensitive they are and how that differs from person to person Etc. These are all things that measurable but far less easy to measure and so testosterone becomes kind of like the go to Actually the body's hormones system or the end. Is that the endocrine system not the body's hormonal system is a complex Beast with so many different things happening at any one time. It's tough. I kind of think of that blaming testosterone for male violence is like blaming the newsagent who sells matches for the fire that happens later, you know. Those matches and the fact that this news agent has sold them is a factor obviously and in the arson that happens later that you would never say that he is responsible for the fire. yeah, it's complicated and there were loads of studies that for every study that it's like anything in Congress in research for everything that every study that supports one argument is another that suggest otherwise there's lots of studies that show that Testosterone rather than having an effect on our environment. Actually our environment has an effect on testosterone levels. So for example when when men become fathers The testosterone level is reduced. However in tribes where paternal care is the norm. Where where where fathers are responsible for the rearing of children those men have a greater reduction in testosterone. So what's happening? There is their cultural circumstances are affecting the testosterone levels and not the other way around. They're animals studies that show that testosterone levels in monkeys are different depending on the social status of that monkey and they will change as that monkey. Either Rises up to Social Status the you know, the social hierarchy that that tried or downwards and it's not like the monkey he you know, he gets a surgeon testosterone and then he becomes leader of the pack. It's the other way around you becomes leader of the pack and then his testosterone levels rise. So I mean Cordelia fine testosterone Rex is that is is the person to go to open this But yeah, I think you need to be aware of this testosterone myth. So in terms of the chapter on violence, what advice do you give to school leaders and teachers in that area? I think too often we react to violence. Well, that's it. We react to it. So violence happens and then sanction. Takes place but actually in schools where violence is a problem there needs to be a proactive approach the needs to be a whole school approach with a frame work. No logic behind it a program of Education. Yeah, I don't know where whether this would happen in pshe lessons or blocked off days over the course of the year or as a kind of intervention thing with certain groups of students, but there needs to be considered and careful thought and crafting into the living a program and it needs to be effectively delivered by teachers who are good at delivering it just like in any subject. and It needs to be relevant. The research shows that these kind of programs these violent prevention programs do work. They have been shown to have a positive impact on reducing violence in communities. But it does need to be relevant. So there's no point. You know, there's no point doing a violence prevention program that focuses on knife crime or gang culture. If you're working in a school where there are there's never been a stabbing in the community, you know there needs to be it needs to be relevant and it needs to be evaluated as well. I'm just like any program of instruction. But yeah, certainly I think the schools need to Thinking about putting in place a scheme of work basically a scheme of work and violence prevention and there's loads of there's loads of literature on that. I think in the book, I actually include an example program. I think it's six or seven lessons that people could follow but I also in the book there's a link to some of the work done by a guy called. Dr. Michael floods and and some other some other person. My other institutions, who are you can just go onto their websites download whole schemes of work about violence prevention programs. Yeah, it's fascinating chapter. It's a fascinating book. So with whip through this pretty quickly. We move into the last chapter if that's okay. So in the last chapter what next you talk about, I tell readers that years of gender socialization cannot be undone by reading your book. We've all made a positive change by picking up the book. So what next then for school leaders or and cuties or just teachers in general. I think there just needs to be an ongoing reflection and discussion. I know for a lot of people this book. This book is a catalyst, you know, and it started something some schools. Some teachers are spoken to are basing, you know, whole CPD programs off the back of it and that's brilliant. But what what I really like is when teachers come to me and say after reading your book I've stopped saying man up. To my kids or now. I've read your book. I actually talked about masculinity in Romeo and Juliet and not just how Juliet's mystery it now. I've read your book. I think a lot more carefully about. How we set kids and I've noticed that we're putting all the boys. It was equally boys from disadvantaged backgrounds and bottom sets. And so now my school are changing that that's what I like. I think that's the next step is to keep reflecting and just to keep thinking and keep the discussion going because there are a whole host of people out there who have read this book, but want to talk about it. So some so yeah, keep keep keep thinking and adapting and tweaking your practice and you know, it doesn't have to be a whole school thing. We wrote the book. Very aware that the actually lock the teachers reading it or not don't have that power to just do a whole school change, you know, and we say in the book that you know, the end of the day that the classroom is is your kingdom your classroom is where you rule and you know, if the scheme of work says that just because you know, you've got a boy heavy class. I hate that phrase boys have a good and so you're going to war poetry were actually know. so do you doing more poetry but don't write some poetry about love and feelings and Kind if you want to if you feel that's the right thing to do. So I'm hoping that the people just use it as a kind of a confidence boost, you know to keep going and keep reflecting keep and keep chatting. Well, I mean terms of my own practice and you know, this this podcast for me is is the best kind of CPD because I'm fortunate I get to speak to two great people like yourself about this and I just think about my own practice and I'm sure that listeners will be you know, thinking about reflecting on there's but you know, I've had some of those classes as you described as kind of by heavy and Approach is sometimes being to use humor and and perhaps to use humor in a way that you know, I hesitate to say this because I don't want to be criticized in my own practice on a bad gas. But you know, that could be seen to put myself at the Forefront of the class as the alpha male and squash it one or two maybe and I think now done it I think you know, I didn't do it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know that I probably will at some point but I feel now is if maybe it's it maybe it's because I'm getting a bit older or maybe It's because you know your parent yourself now, it's just and certainly with reading this. I just think I'm doing less of that. And actually I'm not needing to do as much of that. I'm quite happy to be open to things that are like that wouldn't necessarily be stereotypically male or things that ways of behaving in ways of acting and Bo not apologetic about that. So I think it's a real impact in terms of me considering how I go about things. Good. Good. I'm glad I'm glad So in terms of just finishing off a little bit if we can so I know you viewing massive demand in terms of communist speaking at CPD sessions and I was going to share another one. I'm done with it. I mean, I'll go down to quite a lot of research at events and it's always good to see when people are on the way down to research as you can see who's coming because your book pops up everywhere. So I went to a lot of research at events last year and I thought I'm in good company entree and carriages when boys are gonna try pops up because it's quite a distinctive covers it in terms of its color. Yeah anything. Ah, here we go. So this Lots of people doing that so just tell us a little bit more about where you'll be speaking coming up soon and maybe where people can find a little bit more about maybe booking you to speak somewhere. Yeah. I mean if people want to book me to speak they just need to get in touch on Twitter and I'll try my best to make it happen, but the next what we do in so Mark and I I guess an X the next Big event at the top of my head that we're doing is researching that our interim normally at the end of April. That's short Allison and Andy car be arranged that one so research it down and that and then after that it all just goes crazy. We've applied for the Festival of Education. We're doing some stuff up in Leeds. I'm doing research Ed. Alfred I'll be doing I'll be doing research at Ken again. Hopefully, they'll invite me back at sorry. So yeah, we let you know we like we like we like to spread the message and flog a few more books. So people are of us will be there. Fantastic. Well, thanks again Matt Forte. I really appreciate your time in your holiday to speak to us really enjoyed the book and yeah, hopefully You know, we'll get a chance to bump into you at one of these events at some point during the next year. Told ya thanks, and I'm yeah, thanks for putting up with my terrible cough. I hope it I hope it hasn't impeded on proceedings too much. Not at all. Not at all. Thanks again. Okay. Take care. Make this Schnatter. Just talking to teachers podcast pedagogy. What is Phil reading this week podcast pedagogy listening? Teachers never Schnatter just talking to teachers this week on the podcast pedagogy section. I am looking at what they didn't teach me on my pgce by Sarah Mullen and this is the one of the most comprehensive well research and fantastically practical books that I've had the pleasure to read and the author has all the credibility and experience. You would expect for a work of this quality. Sarah has moved from being an English teacher to head of English from assistant head to Deputy head. And the insight and experience allows her to talk with other teachers and bring the reader a collection of narratives in a range of genres and styles from professionals at all stages of their career and what I liked about this book and this is ideal for me in terms of the busy day to day life of a deputy head teacher you can dip in and out of this which is perfect. As I said so chapters inspire you to research more and the also will pinpoint other areas for further study. Should you want to go deeper? And it's 13 chapters on topics such as behavior management childhood trauma, but also a fantastically practical one on acronyms and wanton modeling as well. So these 13 chapters are full of Pearls of wisdoms foot Pearls of Wisdom, even funny stories and good solid advice from a diverse range of teachers plucked from the twittersphere and the biggest thing that I took think that teachers will get from this is a feeling that they're not alone and in a sense of belonging and it can help support new and experienced teachers. Us and help you reflect healthily on your own practice. This is a great book and I would have the pleasure of speaking to Sarah fairly soon on a future nail as natter. So that's what they didn't teach me on my pgce by Sara Moulton and that's available everywhere now Schnatter just talking to teachers podcast pedagogy. What is Phil reading this week podcast pedagogy listening to teachers? Schnatter just talking to teachers to move it into the Shameless plug section and there are fewer and fewer of these at the moment so we have research at Birmingham and we have research at Blackpool of course we also have research had rugby up on the horizon so thank you to dude hunting for inviting me back to that story looking forward to going back there and last week I started a section which was sort of teacher life and teacher five a day where I was advocating getting out and about and doing some activities so as you know quite a fan of the park runn so if you can get one of those Saturday morning very very good for your physical health and it's good in terms of meeting other people having a chat on a Saturday morning. I did manage to get out and watch a film this week. So if you get a chance to go and watch the gentleman, which I personally enjoyed very very much and it was a guy Ritchie back to form film. So check that out and also in the music from this week have a little bit of a change of tack from last week's recommendation on Jerry cinnamon. So this week I have been listening to the sounds of Hans Zimmer his soundtracks. So yeah really into that what you will okay. So coming up next week on the podcast. We have Sam Strickland aka the Stricker Master talking about his new book, which will be out at the end of next week. So that's a great interview really practical chock-full of advice that you can take away from the podcast. I also have a future podcast lined up with Tom Rogers and Sam twistleton. So again as ever I meant to say thank you very much for listening to Neil is natter and speak to you again next Schnatter. Just talking to teachers talking to teachers about academic research and evidence-based practice with continuing professional development at PNA 1977 on Twitter Schnatter. Just talking to teachers.

There is a significant problem in our schools: too many boys are struggling. The list of things to concern teachers is long. Disappointing academic results, a lack of interest in studying, higher exclusion rates, increasing mental health issues, sexist attitudes, an inability to express emotions.... Traditional ideas about masculinity are having a negative impact, not only on males, but females too. In this ground-breaking book, Matt Pinkett and Mark Roberts argue that schools must rethink their efforts to get boys back on track. Boys Don’t Try? examines the research around key topics such as anxiety and achievement, behaviour and bullying, schoolwork and self-esteem. It encourages the reader to reflect on how they define masculinity and consider what we want for boys in our schools. Offering practical quick wins, as well as long-term strategies to help boys become happier and achieve greater academic success, the book: offers ways to avoid problematic behaviour by boys and tips to help teachers address poor behaviour when it happens highlights key areas of pastoral care that need to be recognised by schools exposes how popular approaches to "engaging" boys are actually misguided and damaging details how issues like disadvantage, relationships, violence, peer pressure, and pornography affect boys’ perceptions of masculinity and how teachers can challenge these. With an easy-to-navigate three-part structure for each chapter, setting out the stories, key research, and practical solutions, this is essential reading for all classroom teachers and school leaders who are keen to ensure male students enjoy the same success as girls. Questions: Gentle introduction- tell listeners a bit about you and your career to date . Tell us about the genesis of this book and how it started with you blog ‘balance for boys’    In chapter 2 on disadvantaged students , could you start with your definition of disadvantaged students then tell listeners why you feel our education system is ventured on middle class values? What solutions do you offer for school leaders and teachers particularly around setting? In the final thought of the chapter , you say the main thing holding back working class students is attitude. What do you mean by this? In chapter 4 on mental health , you set up the chapter with an insight into how Romeo and Juliet is about male mental health, how do you link this to 21st century Britain? Could you outline some of the key research on suicide , anger and self-harm   What advice would you offer to school leaders ? In chapter 6 on sex and sexism , the stories at the start of the chapter paint a depressing picture about the harassment that female teachers face daily , what does the research say in the area of sex and sexism? Why does there need to be absolute clarity for school leaders on the issue of sexism and sexist behaviour? In chapter 8 on violence tell us the story about the remnants of a half-eaten kebab. What is the testosterone fairy tale and why is testosterone such a complicated beast? Again what advice do you give to school leaders and teachers? In the last chapter ‘what next’ , You tell readers that years of gender socialisation cannot be undone by reading your book but we have all made a positive change by picking up the book . What next then for school leaders and NQTs? Finish off by telling us where we can find out more about you and where you will be speaking next . Podcast pedagogy is featuring Sarah Mullin's excellent 'What they didnt teach me on my PGCE"  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/naylorsnatter/message

Welcome to haken and Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 104 is brought to you by death Smith one zero three eight one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I are going to be talking about shops throughout the Animal Crossing series and what we're playing while waiting for Animal Crossing New Horizons, so to begin hello. Oh Sergio, how are you doing? Hi, Chuy. I'm doing pretty awesome. You know, I really liked when it gets dark early and it's November in a Pokemon game is pretty much almost here. Honestly. The only thing lacking here in California is the cold weather. I'm just waiting for that last part and I'm good. Yeah, it takes a while for it to cool down over there and you know, it was crazy because at the beginning of this Autumn we had like really freezing temperatures and it just felt like autumn Skipped completely and it was just winter already and now it's been it's been more normal. It's been night a nice temperature lately. So I've been enjoying it believes are all changed colors. Now, they're falling all over the place. I've crunched a bunch of them. I see. Yeah, so it's been a good time. But yeah, I guess I mean Pokemon it's right around the corner and we're probably going to talk about it a little bit later. But are you getting sword or Shield? I don't remember. Amber I am getting both. All right. Okay, that makes sense. And then are you getting them physically or digitally? I'm very tempted to download at least one of them but I'm gonna be a good boy if you will and I'm gonna I'm gonna buy both physically. Okay, cool. I have I mean I have Shield already downloaded on my switch. I'm just waiting it for it to be Thursday night at 10 p.m. For me so I can play the game now. But I'm excited for it. But before we get into that, let's go ahead and start this show. We're going to be talking about shops in Animal Crossing and my last Friday video that just came out was about shopping and shops in the game, you know, and how we're going to be I guess kind of shopping in this one because we do have the crafting mechanic, but we also can talk to Timmy or Tommy and see what they have in stock to sell you. Yes, so I wanted to talk about like the history of shops throughout animal testing and kind of I have a little a big list of them throughout each game and we're going to kind of see how they grew how they changed what shops were added throughout which games and everything but I will say that I focused here on things that essentially you can spend money there and I may have some that are don't really fit that category, but it's essentially a thing. You can walk into and pay money to get something out of it because you know, they're a bunch of free things like sending mail, for example, you know or visiting the museum like those don't really cost anything but there are some things within those that do. So anyways, let's go through these so I started out with population growing and there are not too many shops in this game when I was looking back at it. Essentially, there's no X and you can buy clothing and furniture there. Yes, and that's the weird part about it. Like you can buy clothing. Yes at Nook store. Whereas Able Sisters like that it exists, but it's only for making designs. You can't really buy clothing there, you know, and that's weird. Isn't it that the yeah, she was at one point didn't sell clothes. Yeah. Yeah, it still feels weird even though you know, that's how We started but it just doesn't match what we're mostly used to know. Yeah, and everybody is so like specialized with their shops in Animal Crossing to so it makes it even weirder for that. Yeah. So then we also do have some occasional appearances like things like the black market where the black is crossed out, but it's crazy Reds shop, you know, and you're sure to get some crazy deals. No, he's going to rip you off. It costs a lot to shop at crazy Reds. Like you think things things a new Leaf. Don't cost too much in Crazy Reds, like back in the original game. I feel like the cheapest thing there was like seven thousand bells and it was I don't know a lamp, but he did sell the paintings and things and even then you didn't know if you were going to get a bootleg. Here and a legitimate painting. Yeah. Yeah, you just spent like ten thousand bells on this thing. So it's place. It truly did rip you off in those early games and I miss that. I wish that that was still a thing because getting you getting money in that first game was hard to begin with. Yeah. Yeah, and you had to really pick and choose what you're going to spend on or you were going to be fishing all day to get anything. But yeah, absolutely. Out of that one. There was Katrina she would also show up and she was pretty cheap. It was I think it was only a hundred bells or so to get your fortune told nothing too crazy. Excuse me. We did have characters like Gracie Grace actually exist, but they didn't really have their own shop or anything, you know, and then I didn't really count I guess Joan because she's more of a traveling salesperson, you know. That's right. So I didn't really put her on there. But you know, you can buy from her every Sunday still. Yes. So from there, I guess wild world is wild world actually added quite a bit and looking back. I was like, oh man, there's some like real Staples to the series here. So you still had annexed shops and you still had Able Sisters, but the big difference here is no cook stopped selling clothing and that finally went to Able Sisters. Thank goodness and Ice. Yes, because you know, he truly had a monopoly on the market then that's true. He sold it all like he was your One Stop Shop for literally everything in the game. So it's good. It's a good thing. We've knocked him down a few pegs. So yeah Able Sisters sell clothing. That's a good thing but not only that they also sell accessories now because this is a game where they added hat and glasses and you know, all those cool accessories that you could put on your character. So that's a good change. But from here, this is this is where the cool big stuff. I think happened and one of the big things is that the museum now had a downstairs area called The Roost and the roost was the coffee shop where Brewster was introduced into the game and you could buy coffee. Yes, but I mean everybody knows the big draw to that coffee shop was Saturday nights when KK Slider was there playing you some music and you don't, you know, you don't really have to buy his music. He just gives you a bootleg of whatever you plays. Yes, but yeah I said was that it was really cool to have a new character having you thing to do and it was generally pointless but still very nice, you know because you just like you sat down drink some coffee and it was a it was a nice time. Yeah, just relax. Yeah, though. I always did worry about my character because I was like you're drinking that really hot. That's gonna burn your mouth. You're not going to be able to taste things for days. Days, you may damage some taste buds and he won't come back. So I was always worried about my character nice. So then from there we also had Shem poodle get introduced in this one and this one was a weird one too. Because once the only got it once you got the biggest store in the game, which was looking tins. And so once you got an acquaintance shampoodles would show up in the back and Julie was just you know, he finally could get your hair done because they introduced hats which meant you can take off hats and not wear one at all. And you know, you get you get your hair done the thing that bothers me about getting my hair done as I always I always do it without looking at a guide the first time and I always end up with like Guy Fieri spikes and I'm just like, why is this my personality? That's not cool. I don't think I look like that on the inside just flames and spiky hair. Yeah. Yeah, so, okay. And then once again, you do have some occasional appearances from crazy red and Katrina, so they kind of they do the same thing essentially and then city Folk comes around and for it being a minor update to Wild World. I've got to say the update seems bigger now that I've listed things out. Because we have you know, we have anacs-- enable sisters always the Staples here. The one cool thing about Nooks shop is once you do get it up to nicking tins. You can actually he'll ask you a question and you can revert the shop to previous Nook shops, you know. Yeah, so that's a really cool feature there, but you had the roost again and these were all essentially located in your town like the roosters. Inside of the museum which yes was also in your town. So that was still there. But then you have the city in this actually added a ton of things because there's some returning things like shampoo bottle comes back, but now they have their own shop in the city, but now you have the Marquee which is essentially a theater a comedy theater. It's not very funny. I don't recommend it. But you do get emotions after you watch their terrible show. It is in its kind of worth going. Yeah, there's something there for your for your troubles. Yeah, exactly. So you don't have to just suffer through everything for nothing and then you have Katrina who has her own shop there. So and she's moved off of that. I guess traveling tent that she used to have and she's now settled down to a little shop where you can get your fortune told so So that's a good change and then you also had crazy read that and he stayed there at all times, but it was very tricky to get to crazy red in this game. So he was in a back alley as one does business when they don't have quite legitimate Goods, you know, maybe they're stolen. Maybe they're well, you know, he would put them as found he found them and You know, he may have five finger discount it. But anyways, so you have to actually get invited to shop there. So if you knock on his door, he says whoa. Whoa. Whoa, you are not my cousin cousin. You do not have a ticket to get in here. I don't know who you are. You're probably going to call the cops on me scram. So he kicks you out and then it's not till somebody one of your sketchier villagers, you know, they talk about about they talk crazy read up. They say they go way back and so, you know, they're probably sketchy but they essentially give you they tell you about crazy Reds shop and then I think in the mail, I believe it worked is they'll send you a letter that's an invite to go and Shop there and so from there you can actually show crazy read that invite and you're in you're in the club The Exclusive Club of crazy red and it's all good. It's all really So yeah, once they're at once you're there you can you know, get ripped off some more. So yeah, it's pretty cool. Anyways, so the big new things here there. There are a couple of them kind of a few the one of them doesn't really count because it doesn't work very well, but there's Gracie Grace's shop. So we've gone so many years of her just showing up and being mean to us and telling us our fashion sense is terrible. Oil and you know maybe if we're lucky she'll give us one of her cool designs, you know, whenever exclusives but now we don't have to go through all of that. She can judge us from the comfort of her own home will go to her and so once you go there you can you essentially just find out how poor you are because you don't have enough money to buy anything. And once again, I feel New Leaf was very easy to get money, you know, so buying Things from Gracie Grace's shop before was close to Impossible. Yeah. So anyways, you see her clothing and furniture series there and it's pretty awesome. It's pretty cool that she has like four different seasonal clothings and and Furniture Series. So it's pretty cool that it gives you at least a good three months to save up for them. You know? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and then outside of that it's not really a A shop but it is an introduction to our good friend kicks if you talk to him, I think for 500 Bells Hill Shine Your kicks, essentially. Yes, and this was the way you kind of customize your shoes. So I feel like I always did it and would get blue. Did you ever get your shoes shined by Kicks? Yes. Yes. I don't remember what color I got. But yeah, he was he was one of my favorite characters introduced in that game. For sure. Yeah. He's so cool. I love his little Hat and everything like he was always dressed. So awesome. And yeah, I like that character lat so the last shop that was introduced here and it never worked in never will and it will probably never make a return but isn't the auction house and this one was I guess it was run by Lloyd who is a very unfortunately forgotten character. He's one of the living gyroid Xin the world. Yes who, you know even made a couple of appearances you get your Lloyd gyroid in population growing the very first game there outside of your door and then he shows up again in City Folk, of course, and I did you ever get this to work. Do you know how it worked at all? No. No, I don't remember having it worked honestly. No. Yeah, so I don't know you talk to him. He'd say like put up in the item. I think one day I went in and I noticed there was an item in the shop and I was like wait, how did that happen? And I never I didn't buy it. I never knew how to do it. So yeah, I think it was essentially like because there was the we connect 34 was that what it was called? Yes, wiiconnect24. Yeah, so you would essentially use that and it was kind of like I guess equivalent to the spotpass features and on the 3DS, you know where yeah data was sent over the Internet while the system was like in sleep mode. Or something. I don't really know exactly how it worked. But essentially like you would get some data back and you would see stuff show up in the auction house. So people could place bids and things and it was a great idea I think but I just don't think anybody ever got it to work and I wouldn't mind if they Revisited it and maybe gave us also a Lloyd amiibo because he's one of the few characters I think one of two characters that does not have an amiibo technically three, I think Hmm. And those three are Lloyd Harvey and wisp which does show up if you scan in a certain amiibo, but he doesn't have an official amiibo for himself, you know. Yeah, that's kind of strange. Yeah, he leads the whole amiibo thing. Yeah Harvey does too. So those are two characters that are like pretty amiibo Centre Yellow Leaf who don't have amoeba. Yeah. Okay, so finally, Lee we get to New Leaf and this list it gets along it gets really long with newly because New Leaf is like shopping Central and it's now looking at it all kind of listed out. I understand why they made it so much easier to get money in this game and it's because they're like double maybe triple the amount of shops that were in City Folk. No, I think it's about double which is pretty insane. Yeah, so There were three different places where there could be shops. There was the town. Of course. There was your Main Street and then there's everybody is kind of Forgotten one the island gift shop. So I'm going to go ahead and start with Main Street since its longest one of the list but now you have knuckling switch. They've taken over and looks old business. They're now selling furniture and things and you know, they're the business tycoons of this game. So then you have Able Sisters once again, but this time they've added an accessory section with labelled in charge. Yes. Oh, yeah, that's the big new feature with them outside of that. They do generally the same thing there was an update to the designs that you could make in that one. So that one's cool. And then you get a bunch of cool new things. Like the gardening center is a new one and this is essentially Leaf shop you get all of the Landscaping things you And I think the big bummer about this one is that it eventually ends up merging with the TNT Emporium. Yes. That's right. It's such a bummer to see it like because I love the little building that he has it just it screams Leaf. Whereas when you walk into the TNT Emporium. So like gaudy the lights are all bright and everything. It's it's just it doesn't say Leaf to me. Yeah, I agree. Hmm. I want I want him to have his own shop again. Yeah, yeah. Yeah people much better and then you have kicks is finally upgraded to a shop in this one. He's got his very own place and not only that he does more than just shine shoes. Now. He actually doesn't do that at all. Yes sells shoes and socks and leggings to so yeah. I think that's special. I think I have everything from his shop to if I recall I was keeping track on it on an app, but maybe I'll look back one day. Nice shampoo dough is kind of the same. She's got her own shop again, but then another big new one is Nick's home. So no cook Tom Nook the thomna K. He's moved on from the kind of business tycoon thing and he's gone into real estate, which is you know, it's a good fit for him. Yeah, that's where he always found his passion. So now you essentially can buy exteriors for your home you pay off your loans and stuff and get upgrades to your home and even like change the I guess the exterior style into like a castle modern or the cottage look. Yes. So yeah, that's a cool one. This is a strange one. I put on the list, but it's the photo booth and oh, yeah. This is technically not a shop. But essentially the only function it only functions if you pay it. So yeah, if you pay the photo booth you'll be able to buy or take A new ID photo so nobody ever does it more than once. Yeah, essentially you take a photo at the beginning of the game and that's what you look like forever. I think actually though I think people do revisit it when they go and change their character up pretty yes exactly. Yes. So so it's always there and then once again, you have the fortune shop. This one takes a while to unlock you have to have a fortune. Told in your town by Katrina 20 times. So if you only have one character living in your town, it'll take about 20 weeks to get her. But if you have for it should only take about five weeks if you get a fortune with every character and if you have lots of friends, you can do it in just one week. Yeah and just have 20 people visit you and then here this is probably my favorite of the new ones but it's the dream sweet with Luna. At a pier and she allows you to take a little nap and visit some dream towns. She'll also pay you if you update your own dream address. So oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. She gives you a lot. 5,000 Bells. That's pretty money. Right? Yeah, but yeah the dream sweet it's always a good place to stop by and just explore other towns. I love that feature. I used to do it once a week until I canceled my oh weekly updates. Okay, and then we have once again Gracie Grace does show up in this one reminds you that you're poor and she shows up at the top of TNT Emporium and she fits she works with this whole story as yes. Yes. I think that's the shop for her. I don't think it works for leaf, but it definitely works for Gracie Grace and then here's a kind of lesser thought of shop one, but the happy home showcase where you could go and look. Other players homes, you could actually buy five items a day from that. Yes, that's right. So yeah, it worked out OK so let's move into the town. The town has retail the roost and Harvey's RV park. So retail is a brand new shop. Of course led by everybody's favorite. I'll pack a couple Cyrus and Reese. They're pretty awesome. I do love that. It's like a it's very Mental this shop to me. So, you know because it's very focused around like taking in your old furniture refurbishing it getting it all fixed up and then it's also like a consignment shop to where you can place your own items for sale and your villagers can come by and by them as well as as other players too, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really cool feature. Yeah. So I really I love this shop. I definitely want something like it to return. We know so little about shops in New Horizons. So it's hard to know what's going to happen. But this one is probably the one I want the most if I'm being honest, I'm out. Well Leaf is the one I want the most awesome hoping it means like new things to plan to new cool looks for our town, you know. Yeah, but this one this just like captures our own lifestyle at least Jackie and me, you know, yeah because we shop a lot of second hand stores. Us and we like we just got a couch reupholstered like two months ago. So it's essentially how we buy things in this shop. Yeah, this shop represents us very the roost is very cool in this one because it's finally its own building. And yeah, I think the one unfortunate thing is that it doesn't have like a stage or anything for KK Slider to play. Because I think it'd be fun if he'd like took a one night off of club elal, which I didn't count in here because you don't really pay for anything Club, LOL, you know, yeah. Yeah, so I wish he took like one night off and just played at the coffee shop. Yeah, I think that'd be cute. And then finally, we have Harvey's RV park and this one was added after the welcome amiibo update and essentially it added a lot of items from happy home designer. So we had a bunch of returning characters in the form of I guess the RV cards and then yes, those got you items that were added in happy home designer like I was saying so this gave you just a bunch of new things that you could buy a bunch of new things that you could For and it uses its own currency, which was the meow coupons. So yeah, it was different. It was cool. And if you talk to him when he had he was feeding the birds he'd give you the bird seed so you can feed them too. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and then like I said, the last place that has a shop is the island and that has its own gift shop which has a lot of I guess unique Furniture like you have the mermaid series you but have a bunch of like Sailors things, you know, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, there was a lot of cool stuff. And once again, this one also used its own currency in the form of like those metals that you'd win from playing the island tours. So yeah is very different a lot of a lot of variety with this game in the in terms of shops, but it was definitely a shopping heavy game as and they recognize that and gave you tons of money to make that happen. Yes. Yes in a lot of shops that like you mentioned they have their own currency. Especially like the island. They have a lot of good things that encourage you to do the mini games or get this special currency so that you can get the cool items. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And you know a lot of those mini games were pretty fun. I think did you have a good time playing them? Yes. Yes, definitely a lot more, you know during the early months of the game, but for sure it was a lot of fun in. Yeah. I just kept you coming back to that and you would check the island every day. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm gonna I expect this this idea that returned to just with us having a player multiplayer online, you know, because it seems like that's going to be the it's going to lead to like four versus four mini games which are going to get crazy and we're going to have a lot of fun playing that sort of thing. At least that's what I expect. You know? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So to end this topic I We did receive a question from bricks e19 on our Discord and they asked what new stores. Do you want to be an Animal Crossing New Horizons? And what stores do you want to return what features from pocket Camp? Do you want included in Animal Crossing New Horizon? So Sergio, let's go through your list real quick. Sure. I definitely want a dedicated fortune cookie either like a shop or like a kiosk like we see in Pocket Camp. I think it would be cool to have have random items with a little bit of luck involved, you know every day the more the merrier definitely if there's a lot of cookies that that's cool. I also want to see a lot of clothing shops or I guess ideally a shop that is really big and that has a lot of clothing options. I that's one of my favorite things to do honestly nearly just buy a new pair of shorts and a new t-shirt and just wear them like for the day and then just change them the next day. So the More options the better but at the same time though, I'm thinking if there's like a new store that it's really big in that offers a lot of a single item maybe instead of just being clothing. It could be like a random thing every day. So maybe today is a lot of clothing or maybe the next day is a lot of furniture or a lot of stationary just like a random iding every day, but it's a it's a lot of variety of that item. I think that that would work really well, that would be interesting I think. Where that would also help is like if it were crafting materials because yeah kind of talked about in the past where you know, if you're a person who really doesn't like the weeds popping up around your town save sold them all but then there's something you really want to craft with the weeds and the don't have them like having a place where that's available is pretty important, you know, yes. Otherwise, you're going to have to like just buy the item. Yeah, and who If it's in the shop at that point, yeah. Yeah, so that could be a job for a seti to like just give a he he seems like the person just digging around, you know, so maybe he's found a lot of cool Treasures to sell and so he'll bring back a pack of something special right every time yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah really like that in us for an a classic shop that I really like the roost. It's classic for me. I Drink a lot of coffee. I go to a lot of coffee shop. So I respect Brewster a lot and I like the roost. I want a lot of features added. I mean honestly I it would be cool if he sells food, but I know that's probably against his motto that you know, it's all about the coffee with him and we can respect that. So I wonder I mean do you know if we can buy more than once per day? I don't think we can I think we should be able to know it was always only once and yeah. I mean and I feel like it was either like I think you could do two things but one of them was working the coffee shop, you know, yes. Yes. That's right. Yeah, and but I did like that they added that you could get a to-go cup. Yes. That was pretty cute. Yeah. Ideally I want to drink one there and then take another one to go. Yeah, I mean a lot of people do that. Yeah. Yeah, so it would make sense to have that feature. Yeah, and then while you're there maybe you could could I don't know read a newspaper or what have you could rent like a little book that has these like made up Animal Crossing stories are like anecdotes from the villagers in your town that you would just read. Maybe they have a list relations or Like Comics Animal Crossing comics and you know, okay, so a couple things Comics we just got one from the Nintendo live event in Japan. That one was really cute. And then I feel like the characters are always talking about like the In their reading and stuff like that, like it'd be cool to get too long and you know, a lot of the villagers show up in the album covers for cake a slider like yeah, what if there's like an interview with KK Slider and his process of getting this album cover made and everything. Yeah, you can make tons of really cute stories with Animal Crossing. I think that that would fill in like such a kind of a little Gap that Animal Crossing has where it's not story driven in anyway, so Though there is so much dialogue in the game. And you do get to know your characters and everything and learn a lot. But there's just no story attached to it. You know. Yeah, so I really like that. I like the idea of being able to check out some books or magazines and just learn a little bit about the world that you don't usually get to see. Yes. Here's hoping yeah, so my shops, I kind of mentioned all of these at some point throughout the show. But the first one at least the new store that I want is a backpack shop. I think especially if like backpacks we find out they do something, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that would be really great because if they go into your if they expand your inventory, that's the ultimate item right there to carry around with you at all times. Yeah, the other thing the two stories I did mention earlier today. So Leaf store the gardening center. ER and Retail those are for sure ones. I want in my game, especially like having a place where your friends can come visit and buy stuff from you is very cool. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I mean there's always the option to give it away, you know, just drop it let them pick it up, but buying it from you and making some money live in that Tom Nook dream should be cool. And then the last I guess what features from pocket Camp. Do I want in here? I'm sticking to that Shop theme and I want okay Motors to make an appearance, except they work on boat houses now all that's awesome. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh and I think I mentioned that last episode right? Yes. Yeah. So okay Motors. I love those little guys are so cute and bird villagers. We're Jackie and I were fans of birds. So so we want them. Give us a little Quail. Those are cute. Yeah. So anyway Sergio this was really fun. I had a really good time going through like all of these shops and just figuring out like just remembering like all the things that didn't exist in previous games and and all the things that they also introduced, you know, yes. Yeah, so it's fun to look back at that history and enjoy it but let's go ahead and look toward the future. And think about what we're going to be playing while waiting for Animal Crossing New Horizons, and we it's been a little while since we've done this but we're closed now like it's literally as of the day of this recording for months and 10 days away and for anybody listening on the day, this is out for months and eight days away. So you're a lot closer than we are with Sergio, I guess before we get into what we're playing. I how are you feeling with this way? Wait, do you feel like it's been fast so far? Is it just dragging for you the last couple of months have been pretty fast and I think part of it is because we're getting a lot of really good games. Like too many. I would say like there's always that too many games thing and it's definitely been being the case lately. There's a bit of a slowish period coming up but there's so many games in the backlog that it doesn't really matter. Yeah, definitely and I've got to agree with you a hundred percent because like The way to between September 2018 when they told us about the game and June when we finally got it revealed. Oh my yes, those were the longest nine months of my life. And then the past I guess almost about four and a half months gone so much faster than that. It's just like but I feel like there's stuff in between, you know, like there's been stuff filling our calendar. So essentially Lee Joon was Super Mario maker to and so people had fun with that as it was out. July was Fire Emblem right after that and that's you know, for those who are interested in stuff. They could get like deus ex machina and I don't think anybody was interested in that one people like to astral chain a little bit more. Yeah, but then, you know September hit and you have Link's Awakening and then October is Luigi's Mansion 3, which just came out like what two weeks ago now. Yes in two weeks. It's so it was not very long ago. And then Pokemon is this week. We're literally like two days away practically. Yeah. It's insane how close that game is and and then here's where the bad news comes in. This is going to be a lull from here. Like this is why I wanted to talk about this topic because Pokemons a sword and shield or essentially the last big release between The essentially this and Animal Crossing like this is not and there is a port I guess of what's it called Tokyo Mirage sessions. That's right you yes. I mean that's it's not a big deal. You know, like it's a cool thing is probably the port I was most interested in but it really like as far as like Nintendo games go like Nintendo published or Nintendo made this is this is going to be a long four months. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so there's going to be a lot of time to fill and Sergio. I want to know how you're going to be filling it cool. So definitely the one right now, it's Luigi's Mansion 3 man. What a really good game. And I wanna you know, I'm taking my time. I'm exploring everything. So it's going to take me a little while to beat it. Especially if I want a hundred percent the game, which I really do want to so that's going to take a little while and I'm glad It is because it's a it's a really good game. It's very very classic. Like you said Pokemon is nearly here. I'm getting sword and shield. So for sword, I'm only playing with score bunny. I'm not even going to evolve him. It's just me and him and once again in the world that's gonna be that's gonna be crazy, but it's gonna be fun. Wait. I have a question. Are you catching any other Pokémon or is it just score bunny? I will catch them and you know, there's probably gonna be like Five there on the party just because but no it's just me and him. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah, and then right after that back-to-back, I'm gonna play shield and that's going to be the normal run with a an actual team that I that I built from the choices available. So that's going to be cool. Yeah, and then yeah and then after Pokemon like we said it's kind of there's nothing on the Nintendo side other than Tokyo Mirage, which is cool. But like you said, it's I feel like it's filler but it's a good kind of filler than intended us early in the years. Usually January. They have a nice Port from the Wii U that a lot of people missed. So it's a cool option, but on in my case, I'm switching over to the other platforms for a change. It's strange when this happens. I'm actually going to be playing PlayStation and Xbox a little bit. At least that's what I'm planning in January. There's a game for Dragon Ball Z Kakarot that it's looking really cool and it's basically the entire Dragon Ball Z series in a game which is a lot. It's I feel like I've seen pictures of it and I'm like man this looks awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of scope to cover in a game. So it's going to be cool February has Has a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time the sequel to orient. The blind Forest is coming out February 4 Xbox. I might actually play it on PC. We'll see how that goes. Yeah, you said you had a lot of good things to say about that game. I haven't picked it up, but maybe one point. Yeah. No definitely in I cannot wait for the sequel It's Gonna be awesome and then in March early March before, you know, the big one hits early March has No Fantasy, 7 remake for the PS4. I'm going to try my best to be dead before Animal Crossing because after Animal Crossing everything stops. Yeah, it's really too bad. They're going to delay it into April though. No, I'm just kidding. I hope it does come out so you can enjoy it before. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough timing but I gotta try my best. Yeah. That's that's a tight timeline for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then you know what I'm planning to do. Do after afterward. So we're going to be playing New Horizons for a lot of years and that's awesome and everything but as you know in a lot of people know in myself, especially I haven't played a lot of the big hits which games I haven't played Odyssey. I haven't beat breath of the wild. I stopped playing Fire Emblem. So what I'm planning to do is to run a poll in just share it with my friends and I'm taking and on njp and everyone like on Twitter and just ask people what game they Should play as I'm playing New Horizon, so it's going to be like the side game and whoever gets the most votes. Basically. I'm going to play them in the order that people vote on so that should be a cool interactive little thing for them to do to complete them. Yeah, that'll be fun. I mean, there's so many games there that you should just play Sergio you get through breath of the wild. It's worth it. It's a it's a fun game, but Also, it's like you could take as long as you want with it because there's so much to explore in that one and then Odyssey, it's it can be a long game if you want to go and get everything but it can also be a short game and I think it's so worth seeing like that final boss fight. It's a oh, it's it's it's fun. It's the something really special and one that one fight that I really appreciate. Oh cool. Yeah, so that gives you something. Forward to yeah. Yeah also like the final segment of breath of the wild man. I say I did it like maybe a hundred and fifty five hours in and I was just like man this game just keeps given so it's very generous game as far as like how much you can do in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's really fun. I really like your list. I've got a lot of the same things. Jean mine, for example the shared one. Of course. I've got Luigi's Mansion 3 and Pokemon on mine. We just mention three. I'm having a lot of fun with and I'm really I feel like at least from what I'm getting getting on Twitter. A lot of people are kind of trying this series out for the first time and I'm really glad they're getting to it because it's such a special game to me where the first one I played was dark moon and I haven't actually beaten the first Luigi's Mansion, but I'm on it, you know. Yes, there were moments in Dark Moon where I was just So Satisfied by the gameplay where I was just like man, I used literally every tool at my disposal to make this happen. And so yeah, I think Luigi's Mansion three does a good job of that so far too. So yes. Yeah and Pokemon Shield, I can't skip any new generation of Pokemon. I'm always excited for New Gen nice. Yeah, but yeah, I'm still chugging away at Fire Emblem. I haven't gotten too much time to play games the past couple of weeks. So Fire Emblem. I'm still at like the same point but I'm doing I guess I'm playing ring fit Adventure very regularly. I'm going to play after we're done recording here just to get my exercise in you know, and I don't know how long the story mode is, but I'm already like a good five. Well, it says I've been playing for 10 hours, but As far as what that accounts for as exercise, it says about five hours in something. So yeah, I'm getting some good exercise while also beating this RPG. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and then I have one more game that I just added to this list over the weekend and that's new super Lucky's tale because I know I've always really loved like 3D Platformers, you know and kind of Platformers in general and so I feel like this is going to scratch that itch. Because I'm like, when is Mario Odyssey are monitored, I guess Mario Odyssey to coming out or something. So new super Lucky's tale. I'm going to make a special video on it pretty soon. And so anybody who wants to check that out. There will be something that I'll be giving away that has to do with this game. So when that video pops up be sure to check it out because I've got something cool for that. That's cool. I'm interested. I've been really interested in this game. You know, I feel like Belongs to this which he wasn't the Xbox and PC but this is kind of one of those games that is just it has a Nintendo charm even though it's not really related but it's just it feels at home. And it feels like this version of the game is what the developers intended to make and it looks like a really good game. Yeah this feels and looks like a Nintendo game through and through so I'm really glad it's moved over now. I'm just waiting for like a Viva Pinata there to come out on switch, but there are a lot of like really cool kind of games on the Xbox that feel more like Nintendo games that I feel should come over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so like these are just like five games that I listed but I have a whole long wish list of things like I would love to get daughter mon story of seasons and have like a little bit of a life same thing. But I'm like, oh man, I've never got very far on Porsche my time at Porsche and so I want to get back at that one too, because it was I was very When I was playing at first, so yeah, I want to get back at that game. But there's only four months left and I know for a fact I don't have time based on this list already and based on how much gaming time I get. I'm never going to finish. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, I'm excited Sergio and we actually we should move on to this haken Islander Corner because we're going to be asking our patrons to what they're going to to be playing. So for those of you who don't know Higgins island or Corners are segments of the show where we ask our patrons on patreon a question and read their answers. This week's question was what are you looking forward to playing between now and New Horizons and Sergio? I took a lot of answers here. So we're gonna have to go. Let's just go through them. Do you want to go first? Yeah sounds good. So our first answer is by Kali and they say the new Pokemon games. I tried so hard to avoid any leaks. So I'm really high for Pokemon sword and shield still. Yes, there's been so many leaks and there's been talk that they're fake but they're not but they are I don't know but it says it's just scary to look so, I mean the game is almost here. We made it pretty far for those that haven't seen anything. I've seen a couple of things so I cannot count myself there. Yeah. I mean I told myself like I wasn't going to avoid them if they pop up I'm gonna look at them, but I'm not gonna lie. Like actively seek them either. Yeah. Yeah. So I've done pretty well. I think I saw a little bit but for the most part, I don't know too much else. So I'm still it and you know, some of them are always like new Pokemon reveals and everything and for me, that's honestly not the biggest part. I just like yeah playing the game and exploring everything. So I'm more excited to see that game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Benedict said Course playing Pokemon Sword goes without saying but I'm still really enjoying Fire Emblem three houses considering how regularly and before time. They're releasing DLC. Other than that. I need to fully complete breath of the wild as well as put lots of time into stardew Valley. I know I'm late on that train. Oh man. I just want to go back to stardew Valley and I want to do like a multiplayer farm with people that would be really fun. But these are really cool games to for sure. Sure. Yeah indefinitely heavy time sinkers is those are good games. They take a while but they're rewarding. Yeah, that's true. All of those games are very long. Yeah, so lampshade says I hope to pick up Fire Emblem three houses finish happy home designer and play a lot more ring fit Adventure nice in you know, it's cool to have a little animal crossing there before more Animal Crossing. Yeah, and really getting a taste of happy home designer is cool because it As introduced a lot of really cool gameplay mechanics. Yeah. Yeah, so grisly Nina said I was hoping Luigi's Mansion three would keep be keeping me company, but I finished it fairly quick little fingers animal cross that Pokemon Shield will last a little longer. So, yep. She's done with the Luigi's Mansion three moving on to the next game Pokemon Shield. I wish I played it that fast honestly, sometimes just based on like how many games I have to play Still and how they are still coming out. I'm doomed nice. Yeah, grisly. I think Pokemon it's gonna take a while. So you should be good with that. So Elijah Baron says I'm playing Link's Awakening which is so much fun. I also have ninokuni to on my PlayStation. So once this semester is finished. I have a lot to enjoy all that's called me. No Kuni takes a while, but it's very rewarding and Link's Awakening. It's cool. I don't know if you have if this is your first time playing this game, but there's Least there's more than a dungeon. So there's a lot here. Yeah, and it's really confusing. So, you know, it's it's easy to get lost in that one. Yeah, but it's just a like anybody who hasn't checked out and you know Cooney go watch a trailer or something. It's essentially like Studio Ghibli made a video game. It's amazing it. It's so cool. And the first one just came out on switch. So if you like it and need something to play in the meantime, I like that choice and Nice, so Jillian tufo said Pokemon sword and shield along with finishing Luigi's Mansion 3 & Fire Emblem three houses. So yeah good classic set of games. That just came out. Yeah nice. So Lou JP says I'm currently playing The Witcher 3 really different from what I usually play but the open world and hundreds of quest will keep me busy for a while. That's what I need to not be thinking about Animal Crossing all the time. I'll pick up Pokemon Shield. I can't wait to play it. It feels fresh. Nu, I mean honestly The Witcher 3 alone is probably more than you need so if you're also going to play Pokemon man you are set that's awesome. Yeah I call this Witcher 3, it's true. Yeah. So Andrew artaud said between now and New Horizons, I'll be playing some Xbox game pass and smash DLC. Hopefully I get some new games for Christmas like sword and shield and yeah, that's pretty cool. I mean game pass that has so many cool things. Things on it now that I'm just like man, maybe I should start using it but at the same time I start thinking about it. I'm like wait, I barely have that I intend no guy and I barely have time to play those better turn back now nice. So Grace or a penguin named Abraham says three words mean Echoes Night Market. Oh, when is that out? Like that's a good it's a good. Yeah. I wish I wish this game had some sort of Update the last update they put out for this game was I don't know somewhere between like April and June and it was essentially saying that they've taken like a mental health break their yeah, they're delaying it for a while. So originally it was planned for 2019. They haven't said anything since this update that they did back in like spring. So who knows I want to know so badly because this game looks incredible. Yes. Yes, it does. Hmm. Yeah, so jam also said Monaco's Night Market is the only other game. I'm looking forward to 2019 release date but no news yet. So I'm hoping it comes out before New Horizons and I've got to be honest. It doesn't look like it's going to yeah, which is such a bummer because I was banking on this game to be one that like, you know keeps me busy for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I think we can still look forward to it will see how how the timing works out in the end. Yeah, so contralto Val says gonna play a lot of ring food Adventure now so I can lose all my progress once New Horizons cancer. I'm almost finished playing all possible routes in with female pilot in Fire Emblem three houses. So I'll need to do it all again as male by lit. Nice in a suit play Pocket Camp Daily even once New Horizons inside out. I have more than enough space in my Animal Crossing diet for both experiences, and I'm really Lee not it and it's really not feasible to bring my switch with me everywhere I go that's cool. I don't I don't see a lot of people doing that so controlled I'll power to you. That's awesome. Yeah, that is a lot of Fire Emblem. I haven't even finished all man. Yeah, so I'm proud of you. Yeah, so when he World said for some reason I've been playing Hive swap act 1 over again with my boyfriend and I'm excited for act two to come out not really a Nintendo game or a game that crosses over with Animal Crossing fans, but it's fun. For me, I really I don't know what that game is. No me neither but it sounds interesting. Yeah, I like the name. Yeah. So rain says Monster Hunter world with so much time before they release that means I'll have time to sink into an MMO and get cozy. Ah, nice. Yeah. That's a it's a nice departure for the traditional monster home Monster Hunter series, and I know it did well in it. It was well received so Nice, enjoy it. Yeah Cthulhu said I just got my own switch today and I got ring fit adventure to go with it. I am excited for Pokemon sword and shield and I know I want to play Luigi's Mansion three there. There are plenty of choices for me until March 20th. Yeah, especially if you just gotta switch to there's just like such a huge backlog of games that it's going to be worth. I mean, you're gonna be trying to play too many between noun. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So Sasha, 505 says ninokuni Luigi's Mansion three Pokémon Shield the Ramona story of Seasons Layton's mystery Journey Minecraft The Sims 4 Professor Layton in the Astra and Legacy in some other older Pokemon games. I'm not sure how I'll manage every time I finish a game I either find a new one to play in by or I end up playing a game that doesn't end like Animal Crossing in The Sims 4. I mean, I finally finished Link's Awakening and that he came out a while ago. Need to step up my game. Well, honestly, if you're playing all these are at least planning, I think you're doing great. That's awesome. Yeah, this list looks like mine and yeah, at least you're finishing something because I have not so like Mount said, I'm definitely picking up Pokemon this weekend. Hopefully I can be the very best like no one ever was before New Horizons comes out. Yeah. I mean nothing matters once that's out so you got the right idea there. Nice. Yeah, so lead agent says I'm getting close to beating Link's Awakening which I've Loved after that. I think it's time to start another playthrough of stardew Valley. Nice. Yeah, I want and you know I run into that to where I just want to revisit a game so but I'll said I really really need to finish my first playthrough A Fire Emblem three houses. I just started Luigi's Mansion and hope to get through that to also Pokemon Shield somewhere down the line to so Yeah, those are all gonna keep you busy. For sure. Yeah. Yeah nice and last dragon says Fire Emblem Pokémon Luigi's Mansion rocket league in a shout-out to Crystal Chronicles in January. Yeah. I feel like that's going to be a big one for multiplayer, you know before Animal Crossing comes out that that's going to be nice man. I totally I'm getting that Crystal Chronicles. It's so good. So, yep, you get you'll find me adding another game to my flip it sounds gonna be fun. So yeah, I mean everybody's playing such awesome games. It's really cool to like look at your lists and see what you're into and me. I'm just sitting here wishing and that I could just like play for hours upon hours, but I gotta go and work a day job and you know make money to live. So yeah Sergio is your gaming time looking okay house. Looking at it's been it's been lacking a little bit. But you know, I feel like it's it's more motivating to to make it work during the winter time. I feel like if I try harder I can play more games during the holidays. So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm I'm banking for. So I'm just waiting for like Thanksgiving weekend. I want to go all out nice and you know like Luigi's Mansion three. I'm Luigi's Mansion games tend to be pretty short. And so I'm really hoping I can get through that one and make some decent progress in some other games. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. 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Today, Sergio and I go over the different shops that have appeared in Animal Crossing throughout the years. Each game had a different assortment of shops for us to peruse and enjoy. Each game has also added more shops and increased the variety of items we could purchase. We also discuss shops we'd like to see in the next game. From there, we talk about what games we'll be playing during this last stretch of waiting for Animal Crossing New Horizons. Our patrons also let us in on what games they'll be enjoying between now and then. Time Stamps: 0:05 - Introduction 2:03 - Shops In Animal Crossing 34:16 - Games We're Playing 46:39 - Haken's Islander Corner 58:16 - Outro Announcements Support my channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/chuyplaysnintendo Join the Haken Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/wJTCMRK Get More Nintendo and Video Game Content Here: http://chuyplays.com/ Follow me on... Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChuyPlaysNTDO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChuyPlaysNintendo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuyplaysnintendo Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chuyplaysnintendo Tumblr: http://chuyplaysnintendo.tumblr.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast/support

Hey everyone, welcome to the withering effect. This is episode 12 today's date is September 1st. And I am Duds or Duds versus everywhere else. You see me. We also have a guest. Hello. My name is Nana Nena twitch streamer. Hello, and I'm oh, yeah, I do.Also mention, it should also be mentioned on the server owner of Lionheart S&P. Yeah say that's our special guest. I'm a punk out apple or bank for sure and we're going to talk about to Minecraft today. But what if you would guys been working on this week? Let's see. I'm working on planning another Lionheart Legacy. Uh, see it's our first stream day. Or that our first launch is pretty successful. We got like I think six communities together to fight each other death to the battle. That was pretty good. Yeah. I watched part of that. That was extremely fun. Oh really cool that you get so many communities together as well. It really wise. I had I was pretty busy today, but I was able to jump in and out for about 30 minutes at a time. It was pretty cool. I really liked it to the to the broadcast. Yes, like our broadcast. So the difference between us is that we actually got some people to spectate the whole fight. So rather than you seeing the player's perspective you see an overhead view and like you see all the battle action. Yeah, well in see in the ripple effect guys, who obviously we Cheering for they all mentioned that they were going to put videos out on their stuff. So it's like that watch the main broadcast and I can get an overall View and then if I wanted to see there's I could go back and watch the Youtube video. So that was really cool. Yeah, so it's not like the same thing over and over exactly though. It was funny to you and everyone talked about decoy being the boat ninja whatever and he's just hiding in the corner mentally screaming that he's good. I didn't really see much of it. Yes, it does sound like decoy. Yeah spoilers like he got this incredible shot. Oh, what a master up. Oh master and we all know decoy as the guy who would like place blocks and hide behind stuff because you're not very good at PVP. He's like don't really call music guy. Yeah, he has a dark side. It's good to do good job. Um, but yeah, and I actually also have a IRL job interview on Tuesday. So no sweetie this Tuesday trying to try to get try to get that bank. I said, well, he's on the other side of the mic. But yeah, that's always nice to joke with dad jokes 10 o'clock in the morning. It's what I'm here for here all week. Yeah, I did absolutely. Nothing this week. It was an unintentional week off. Basically Monday. I had tree guys out in the backyard making tons of noise. So I didn't record then and then I don't know what happened to the rest of my week. It just kind of disappeared. There were a couple of nights where I got like no sleep. So that was not in the sleep. Try to be on the microphone another night my dog got sick and I ended up getting out of bed to try to you know, get her off the carpet, right so and doing so I ended up kicking the corner of my bed. And my pinky toe nail fell off which why that's not that big of a deal honestly guys falling off before because you know soccer player you put get stepped on it happens, but there's soccer player. Oh, yeah used to be in high school and now it's not anymore trust me, but and then doing the oh, son of a grabbing my foot. I ended up rolling the same ankle that I kicked in the pinky toe nail. A lot of the Rolling of the top of it wasn't as bad. But yeah, either way I got the dog off the carpet in time. So yay. But again, this is leading to Duds had no sleep all week. So it does didn't record nothing. It's kind of nice to gaze in the other week great where you do like nothing. Yeah. It was a good refresh it meant the creative juices weren't really going though. So when I sat in front of a computer yesterday just are Record something I was like no. Yeah creativity and being tired generally doesn't work out too. Well, at least for me. It doesn't yeah. No, but we did it wait take it. I'm still confused. So your whole told L fell off. Well all but a little sliver nail anymore. But yeah, they're gonna get like infected or something. Yeah. Like I said, it's done it before it just grows back. How long I don't know should I put a timer on how long it takes my toenail to grow back? Yeah, dude do a time-lapse of your toenail growth. That would be the Twitter or you would probably have a good amount of used probably would that's the worst part it would probably be my highest gross video. I'm into that it's getting weird. It's too early for this. Yeah, but other than that the podcast did celebrate thousand listens. Yeah. Oh congrats. Yeah, what was it 10 episodes when we hit a thousand we've gained what another 200 since the 11th place to stay where we were at like a thousand total. I think I'll posted in a Discord. So we had like 988 or something on the anchor thingy and then Friday I looked and we were like 1150 said that's like almost 200. I'm just staying core part for the pot. Yes, that that's amazing everywhere few days. Yeah, that's not including the YouTube channel and all that stuff also. Yeah. Yay us. That's so cool. Yeah doing well congrats. Thank you speaking of gruesome injuries Bank. How is your hand it actually finally healed so I burnt my hands like one another. Week ago quite badly. So it was fully tape then and stuff. And then this Wednesday, I could start using it a little bit again on the mouse and stuff and then it just started healing really quick and Thursday. I was just using it fully again. So I'm back to well. I modeled a lot and printed it out a lot because he just recently gather a new treaty printer, which I hadn't been able to use much because I burnt my hand so I called up in that and then I just played a bit of games as well just because I could again. Yeah. For the rest. Yeah, I didn't do much this week. Yeah, it's been a very low-key week. Mmm. But I mean that happens sometimes I guess. Yeah, it's always nice to take a break especially because there for a while I was streaming three times a week putting on an episode a week and doing the podcast so weak. I got screened twice this week. Didn't you I only stream once this week. Oh, what's the weekly for that when you did twice? Yeah, right nothing. Hmm, then nothing. Let's go into the Minecraft news because we actually do have some news there was another snapshot released 19 W 35 a so this does some more tweaks to the bees bees will now try to avoid water. I'm wondering how long it took them before they realized the bees were drowning themselves in the last snapshot. I didn't know they did that sound fun. I guess it's good. That was kind of one of those like the warning label on the To bottle that tells you how to use shampoo because somebody who's not smart will just pour it straight in their eyes. So to me that's kind of what this is bees now try to avoid water. I don't think anybody really knew that bees were so dumb. They would fly into water. Yeah. I didn't know or that they would drown that'd be a good arm though way to farm bees it would sit in the water. Let them fly to you. Yeah, let's put some water around that beehive done DZ. I like those cruel firms. Like they just drugged himself. Well, you did have what? Was it the zombie met where it would just spit out as zombies. Well, I kind of have that now with the skeletons as well. Oh, yeah. That's right. You did make it with the skeletons to seize. Yeah. Get squished in and spit out bees nest are now more rare, I guess because whenever you open the world into a forest biome bees were everywhere. Oh, yeah, that's good that the I guess now they are sort of like a few of forest of something. Yeah, and I don't know if they're more rare now because it says bees nest won't spawn unless there is air in front and to the side of the nest or what you can craft it to know. You can grab the hives but be Nestor the naturally jawbone's it sounds like they just week the sponson the behavior or a little bit on the bees and the bees nests like things they discovered them. They don't work out like having a narrow block sort of around somewhere. That's kind of normal for for Minecraft blocks. Yeah, I guess they forgot to do it with this. The Beast trying to get to his high but there's a leaf Block in front of it. So just sits there and some are adjacent if you don't tree trunk or something. Yeah gives up and goes grounds itself and water. Let's see. I get it if we could land on believes they should they should have some space and that's true. The other update was if player tries to sleep in a bed that's occupied by a villager. You can tell the Villager to get the heck out of there. That's my bed. So I think that's kind of nice. Yeah, that's a that's a very good Improvement. I like that. It sounds mean. Yeah, it is actually very nice. Guess I better get back to Farmer my carrots. Or get out of bed so we can keep the the mopes away from you. That's sure to could be seen as a nice thing. Yeah, you can sleep and be in danger all night, or you can let me sleep and they'll burn. Yeah kinda. Choice is yours. Actually that's kind of it for the snapshot newsbank. You had something about hardcore that was actually also in this nuptial it was update, but it was a bit fake but I ran into it. Yeah, if you die in a hardcore world and you click like quit quit to menu, it's sort of books out. It doesn't really know what to do and it doesn't make you go to the menu you use first have to sort of well respond inspected them out and Quit which is a little bit annoying. It's not that big of a deal but they fixed it. I run into that altitude doing the speedrun stuff because I always do those in there in hardcore mode. Wow, somebody's really enjoying themselves over here. Yeah, I could hear that one. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of nice. I guess that they fixed it. Yeah any annoying bug fixed to me. It's always nice no matter how long it takes to get done. It's kind of a I mean normally you don't run into it as much I guess but still it's nice that they fix it. Yeah. Yeah bug fixes. So Minecraft Earth is now in beta for Android, which is nice because I don't have an Apple phone. Does that mean it's also like World why I did they stop doing like The Limited City stuff. I don't know. They didn't go into much about it. Okay. I still don't I don't even know it wasn't available for Android. Yep, so you just couldn't Minecrafters. It's like the new Minecon right? No Minecraft Earth is z what you call it the VR game for your phone? It's totally up for you were and you weren't last year. Minecon was called Minecon Earth. And now the the VR games called Minecraft Earth, that's very good. And now the look like ons just called Minecon live. Yeah, they got confusing with snakes for a little bit. Yeah. Some guy was like I really like the name Earth. We have to use it in everything. It's like nah, I mean I can see why the mobile game would be more suited to carry than a Minecraft Earth then yeah, there are their mind gone. Well, yeah actually outside messing with sort of Minecraft on Earth and sort of world white. You really get Minecraft in the real world. Where as I don't know. Michael yeah, I guess it's worldwide. I don't know. Yeah, see now you're just confused as they were when they were trying to name something. Yeah, they should just have scrapped it all together and just went completely different way. I mean, who knows they still might they might I guess they were like, you know, Minecon live but sounds like I immediately go to livestream. Clay, so I guess that means more sense than yeah. They're like yeah Earth is available. Why not? Also with Minecraft up almost call it at Minecon. See what you guys have done. Good Minecraft Earth mine gonna life. Yeah has also added rubies which you can buy with real money to spend on build pallets in game. So microtransactions. This is how the new free game is going to get its money its Tara wait to get rubies like without buying them. Can you earn them and game somehow or It like, you know, you have to buy them. I didn't see that. I know you can earn build pallets and everything in game like you don't have to buy. But rubies are going to be the shortcut door. I mean, I don't mind having something that you can buy referral money that I hope they make it so you can also just learn it before what is it for Bedrock or the Minecraft Minecraft Earth game? Yeah. Okay. Do you know my do you know about that mobile game or a sort of I don't know it. Well, I thought that was she thought that was wrong. Oh, no, you know, it'll be for your phone. It'll be mobile. It's using some kind of VR technology with your cameras and stuff like that. You basically place it junk inside your video camera screen. So you watch through your camera phone. So you see the real world and then you can sort of place it junk in there and build on that and dig in it. Well because I was saying like Bedrock already has microtransactions. Yeah. Yeah, you have to buy like skins and that kind of stuff, right? Yeah, and like by world's there's like the coins currency. You can buy with real money or give away. Even if you're like partnered streamer. Okay? Yeah, so we don't really do Bedrock. So that's good to know. Yeah. Well, I kind of knew that was out there but I didn't really know that they used coins. I mean, I guess that's a hint will now they're gonna go deal with those rubies probably probably exactly because I want to say Minecraft Earth was Free and then they they're going to pay. Ruby's or whatever to kind of make up the cost. I mean it's worked in the past for game. So I wouldnít I think I think it's a good system. Yeah, if it's a free app a game, I have no problem microtransactions. I actually prefer that because then it gives more people a chance to at least play the game. Hmm that makes sense. But that's kind of it for the news. We want to go ahead and remind you guys like we do every podcast. We have a Discord. Join it. Join it. I promise dog picks. If you join that's where maybe you should start boasting like a picture and then that probably should they're probably like he doesn't own a dog. Yeah, I'll see no picture of my dog No Pigs. No proof. There will be a picture if your dog is. Yes. Yes a Susie come in the Stream often. Yeah, Suze can people who works his stream. They know that it's real deep fakes man makes yes, like I secretly I made it for you and stuff. Yeah. Okay, this is someone else's dog. Yes. I go rent. My neighbor's dog for two hours why I've stream so let's go ahead and get on to our main topic. We need to be in here and everything. We wanted to do what it's like to be a server owner because we've all had some kind of experience doing that and I literally just kind of wrote down the kind of steps that go into being a server owner and then I say, let's go through those steps and then afterwards we can basically talk about anything random that comes with being a server. owner and such Yeah, okay. So choosing a host to host your server on what kind of process did you go through to get the lionheart where it's at? Well line Hart dynasty. We y'all but actually started with Clan craft which is where some of the OG members were from including myself and then we kind of split from there. And then we're all like well, we still want to play together. Like what do we do now? And so someone decided like what why don't we just go to the cheapest server Health that we could find and just went on from there. So it really depends on like your money situation and how many players are going to play. They're not only that the activity like the red stoners. Yes, you got to account for them to because if they're like mumbo-jumbo they like the server a lot then you got to account for that. So now we have luckily we have quebra and he like as a full-time job. He makes bank. So I think we pay like over $200 a month. Wow our servers we have. Yeah, we have four servers I paid. For one that's for the uh c 1 and then there's our serve Anil has server Survival Creative server for the peeps that you know want to test things out and then we have another one or on hold that's been the future what we like when we finish our gaming District then other viewers can actually hop on the server and play in it. It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, that sounds Amazing. Yes, so we just kind of have that on hold but it's we have a I think we use G portal but for my uh, see I use what's called Apex posting. Yeah, I've heard of them. I don't think it really matters. What the host is as long as you look at the reviews what matters really is This the region server location that people tend to overlook because if you got like Banks here from Netherlands, I'm from America. You got to choose one in between so that we could both hop on and not have too much lag. I remember when I had a server it was far different game, but they suggest that I would move to a server and France because there was like the main connection up between Europe and Pika so you had a solid connection there because like that was where The Line Game and basically so that yeah those things can affect a lot. Obviously if you're if you have a worldwide and sort of player base and that's kind of what happened with me and call me craft. So I went with bisect hosting mainly because I could get a server that would be automatically backed up and being a new server owner. I had no clue how to do anything and they did. Everything I could do to just email tech support be like, hey, I want the server to do this and within an hour I get a response saying OK restart your server. It's all good to go. So I love bisect hosting. Yeah, they were really good with their support. Yeah, usually once a year they have like some kind of blowout sale and every time you buy something from like the blowout sale where it's a lifetime thing so you can always find a server for like fifty percent off. And that's when I do it. So I need to buy and like an 8 gig server whatever from them to run comic craft off of but I only had to pay for like a four gig plus they were doing everything automatically. So I think I only paid like 40 bucks a month for it. Well, you also know F like tiny server. That wasn't some ridiculous discount wasn't it? Oh, yeah. I got like a little backup server. I can't remember how big it is. What is it? Like, I think it's legs one one or two and a half. Yeah for something soon. Super small, but I pay $4.99 for it well to go back on by sex support actually because they were amazing because when I came around and started helping you out if the server like I could take care of most technical things, huh? Like I'd like to think I was pretty good at sorting stuff out. But when I couldn't they fixed it within like an hour probably yeah, they were always every time you knew what they were doing. Yeah. Which also yeah, we had like four Mumbo Jumbo's so we killed the server a lot. Yeah. I want to say my first day on the server. I ended up building Tango Tex iron farm. But I built it wrong because you know, that's what I do and it ended up crashing the server like really really badly to the point where they came back and said, hey you down like the entire server like multiple people went down because of this we're going to put you on spigot. So that doesn't happen again, and I was just like wow, okay, and then from then on what's the what happened? Like, how did you crash the sir? Command blocks. They're really fun. Oh and there's a YouTube video that what I built Tango saying wrong the first time and the second time and then the third time I got really upset and was like, I'm not rebuilding the stupid thing again, and I found a YouTube video. I think it's name is like tumbled dumpling or something like that. It where you could put a command in and it auto builds the iron farm for you. Wow, and I did I flipped the lever too many times. So it tried to build like three iron Farms on top of each other and also to serve our was really small back then wasn't it? Yeah, it was only like a three gig server at Max so it is my God. Let me see that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah ours is like I think 25 good. Yeah nice. Holy cow. And it's still it's still laggy cheese, like every time we go to He's our he's all red stone a guy. Because his pace is where the end portal is. You want to go to the end. You have to load in his face and his face is filled with like Redstone stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well as by frames, yeah, we ended up having to put a rule being like hey, if you're going to build a big farm, it's now a public farm and it needs to look nice and you can't die using it when we also make everyone would like an off switch on their Farm. Yeah and that too. Yeah, that makes yeah, but then again chunks couldn't autoload back there and stuff. So. It wasn't too bad. But that kind of went into how many players are going to play on the server and stuff. Let's see. Obviously you need what is? Okay. I'm reading my notes that I'm realizing. I can't type with the darn. So we were talking about what kind of server you want to do. Obviously Lionheart Dynasty has everything. What do you mean by how many players are going to play? Well, that's how you choose the size of server you need, right? If you only got five people you really don't need a large server. Hmm But if you got 25 people and 13 of them are mumbo Jumbo's you need a big server. Hey choosing the cake. It also depends on how they play too. Yeah, because like if you just got one more jumbled ya doing huge a huge restaurant built, which I'm not like hating on I think it's really cool. but I do want to accommodate for that so We have 20 members in total and I don't know how many are active but there's we got like four I think for guys that are red Stoners and they all know what they're doing, but they are also like really nice and they try to make sure that their Redstone doesn't lag the server as well. So yeah that that makes it that I think that's separate. The good redstone dust from the not so good ones. Yeah, uncommon crab Jimbo was our mumbo jumbo and he was still learning the game getting a feel for her because she was like us he came from console and saw what Java could do and said everything built big farms. Anyway before that, right? Well his big thing was his Guardian farm when he yeah that it was pretty laggy farmer. We just like hey, can you put an on/off switch for that? And he goes, yeah. Sure. I felt so bad because I have to I'll ask him so often like hey, that's a bit leggy. Could you maybe yeah do something. I always felt so bad asking so often but yeah. Comes with the territory if you're going to do redstone be prepared. Yep. Yeah. Another big thing we had with doing the server owner was coming up with the rules. Like what my do you would allow people to use for the most part if it was client side, we were good if you weren't cheating, like I knew people wanted the mini-map obviously OptiFine was the biggest one those things were good. But other than that, I don't think people that's client side. Yeah. That's what I mean. Did I say something wrong? Oh I see. I don't just confused. Sorry. I didn't finish my coffee. You're all good. Yes, a client-side mods were usually good except for when you went into like the x-raying stuff. Well, we didn't really like that with do fishing that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah or the auto fishing. It's so easy to do AFK Fisher. I don't understand the art of fishing. We have a lot of because we have a lot of members. We have a lot of different people playing and having like their own opinions on like all that stuff like Auto fishing not x-ray. I think it's you gotta find the people that are similar to your interest in how you play as well in order to like have fun. But what we kind of do we just kind of let things happen. We did we try not to like straight people too much. So we let Auto fishing slide of what we thought was more important was I guess the economy. Hmm. So if we have you know, you don't want like that one person to get all the money, right? Yeah. It's it's Also, we gonna work we all gotta mine for diamonds. So I guess like you it's important for the people that auto fish not gets those stingy with their books or whatever it is. Yeah. I don't know. It's it's hard trying to get sir. I think part of the reason we also implemented that kind of thing is we had sort of an open application server like we were on the you yes or whatever so we had like quite a lot of traffic from people. Coming in and going out and if you allow things like an out of Fisher and out of clicker, that's gonna they gonna have insane Farms. It was sort of to prevent a lot of random people just building firms and then starting hoarding Adam stuff for no reason. We had lots of players you have come build a farm and then just kind of leave like they didn't have a house. They didn't have insurance. That's all they did. It's like you we had a pretty extensive like application process. Yeah, it wasn't super easy because that's the way we felt like if you were willing to sit there at fill out our crazy application and deal with the fact that we had a server vote to vote you in. And everything we felt that was enough to like okay this player obviously wants to be here wants to be part of a community, but not we get so many people who would just throw to farm and leave. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Why did they do that? I don't know. We also had a couple people who they've come on just literally x-rayed for massive amounts of diamonds. Yeah, they just went down and started like directly going for the diamonds. Yeah, it's like do you have a stack of diamond blocks three hours after you join the server. You don't think we saw that there's no plug in that disables x-ray mods. We didn't have anything anyway survived it. Yeah used a car. What was that plug-in Bank girl protect? Yeah. We use core protect and it gave us the Even to make sure nobody was cheating without restricting. Basically. What I did is I once a day I used car protect and just checked like what diamonds like diamond blocks that have been mined and then if if one person with too much in a row like showed up, I would start investigate. Yeah, see simple stop that it was like yeah, it was like hardly any work but really effective but it also so helped us know when somebody was stealing from another person because that's obviously a huge Nono on a server. Mmm. Well and I started playing them like an anarchy server where I like cheating is basically what you kind of have to so I started learning about all the things that were possible which obviously helped a lot as well. Just knowing what they could do. So basically you learn from the darkness. Basically, yeah, I'm so glad we don't have to do that anymore. Sometimes it's funny. That's kind of fun to play investigator. But yeah, sometimes it just was a lot of work. Yeah, it seems tedious to do. Yeah, it really wasn't time. I'm not public servers are not for me. They require are a lot definitely a lot more work than than a sort of close to her. Yeah. Yeah, like on ripple effect. I have no worries about any of my stuff whatsoever. And I love the fact that I can have that like if core protect wasn't working on common craft. There was no way I was getting off the server for that night. Just because I couldn't trust some people as far as I can throw him. I mean for the most part they're all fine. Yeah, this kind of goes into promoting your server and how to make your server different from all the other servers out there because let's face it. There are a ton of different servers out there. But like I'm coming craft we tried to promote our server as like the public hermitcraft. We played a lot like them. That's kind of Our server did and if you'd like that stuff you could come join ours and then we would add like the vanilla plus is what I want to call it and I'm super proud of some of the stuff we did because we were doing it before some of the other servers were and I'm sure there were other servers doing it before us but like using command blocks to do custom traders that would trade decorative mob heads or have zombies and skeletons. Gallatin spiders drop currency, that's cool that you could trade. Yeah, like Comic-Con yesterday and we're going best thing ever. Yeah, they were so much fun to make as well. Hmm. They look like sort of Chinese coins. Just like a hole in the middle and then they were green and blue like each quadrant was like, how do you how do you say that? I was switching around like green and blue. Yeah sort of that because of the server. I thought they were really cool. Yeah, you could Farm but Wasn't worth your time to farm them. It was just better to play the game and when they showed up. Oh, man. Yeah cool comic coins. So you couldn't really get we only got like custom hats that that sort of that creative things. So wasn't there wasn't much Point than getting a little bit. That's also hard to decide like bouncing and economy. Yeah. Yeah. We were really were like we don't want to I don't know we would do don't want to make it they to win basically. So we just added gimmicky stuff. Yeah, did you guys have like a way for them to buy it with real money? No, no. Okay. No, I don't think you even accept it by donations to help pay for with you. Yes, and no so that one point there was a lot of uproar of we want to play uh season stuff. But I didn't want to have to take the common craft server down to put a uh see up and then take the uh, see down and put the common Craft Server back up. So yeah, it's a pain. Yeah, there was I need to get a second server to do just uh Cs and at that point. I was like, I'm not going to buy another server for uh sees so I opened my streams up for donations. So any money I got from donations. I would put towards a uh, see Server. We need up get the uh see Server and in I want to say we only did one, uh, see because it didn't go very well. We did All For You each see ya because it's like after people started dying. Well, I think I think it still was that but a lot of people went into spectator mode and just like raced around the map. So the truth of Christ, they would fly in random directions way out thousands of blocks out. Surfing just couldn't handle it and then it crashed and how you never did like retry It Whatever a long ago was it? Um what two years ago? I know no no less borders. Was that before World borders? No, it was after World borders. A 12 orders will save you but yeah, we had never done the UAC. So you're just using what some guys on the server gave us to use that gay use this and it'll work. I tested a few out that I think it was a bit sketchy but I think we use like the most usable one. Yeah, but anyways, the leftover money from that ended up funding like two months worth of the regular common craft server. So nice, that was pretty cool. Awesome. And that Gap is going for a while because the last map there is a point where I was ready to go ahead and just shut it down and not planning longer but that two extra months ended up rolling us over into another Minecraft update and and doing so gave them server a lot of hype. So a lot of people joined and I kept a server going for like another eight months. Mmm, so that was cool. And then when I realized I was done trying to own a server and constantly having to moderate and because I found if you're not playing on the server on a daily basis on that public server stuff is going to go bad quick. And you have a just getting burned out. So the only people left on the server really where YouTubers so that's when I went I went to Omni. Actually it is said hey, look, I know you have a YouTube server you play on a youtubing server? I have five people that want to make YouTube videos on a server and ripple effect ended up liking us and brought us in and that was the encumbrance nice. Yeah, it was awesome. I've I enjoyed the time owning a server just so much work. Especially the public side of it. Did you have moderators Bank was the only moderator damn? Yeah. I mean the helps that I pretty much have no life. So I'll sit home all day pretty much just on Minecraft folder. Yes. Well II I think the first the first three or four months on the last map of gamma craft like I averaged 16 hours a day. He played I I basically woke up went to Minecraft and went to bed at some point. Yeah. Yeah, that was me doing summer during them college Years, but I did. Yeah, I did ask other people to help out and I had one or two help out for a little bit but a lot of people would turn me down just because they're like well if I had the power to go into creative I couldn't stop myself from going into creative. Hmm. So I was like at least you're truthful. Yeah. Choosing moderators are heart it really is. Yeah. I remember we talked about trying to get someone else and every time it's like yeah, but he and then but you just it's really hard to Well, like they often set themselves as well. It's hard to sort of control the power at sounds like it's a lot. But yeah. Yeah, it's whether it's like or servers or like just even for your channel. It's a moderator still they are some viewers. They're like they're there for you or while but then like for some reason as soon as you bro, or when you were you just I don't know if some sort of success and they bounce it's like what what happened or like the you know life gets busy and then it's like iron just have a dead moderator. Yeah, I always got a or like maybe like they have different values. So like maybe they think that auto fishing is okay. They don't those darn auto Fishers. He'll never learn. Yeah, it's yeah Choose Wisely. Yeah. Yeah, you got to get along that that helps my idea and choosing Bank as basically the main moderator was one I knew back then you had to do technical stuff and to a new bank had no life. I was like, well at first it was that I knew Bank was at an opposite timing because he's six hours ahead. So when I was at work and stuff, I knew he would be at home and be free to work on the server. I mean technically I was 6 hours ahead. Practically I really wasn't I didn't realize this at the time. Because ghosts I had no life like my sort of sleeping pattern switch to I went to bed at like 8:00 in the morning. Hmm. Oh my God, I woke up at like 4:00 in the afternoon. So basically American times Yeah, you get no sun from your window because I need it to be dark or to go to bed. I have my window sort of blocked but that's also because right outside my windows is like the walking path from my apartment. So I don't want people were looking. Well. They woke past my window anyway, but I don't want them to like stare right at me. That's what I got a little blocked off, but I do notice when I when I haven't seen Sun for a while. Dude, so people are walking by your apartment and looking in just immediately stare right back at them just because I don't want to be staring outside all the time. I just I don't want to be distracted by that that's annoying so fun. That's the best part about living on the first floor the apartment we were at last time when people would walk by you just stare right back at him just definitely make the whole walking by my apartment uncomfortable so they don't do it anymore. Do you smirk? I just want to slowly smile. I used to do that on my parents house when I was small light people would watch it and we just wave back at so that's kind of nice yeah yeah it was also like yeah I can see you watching like straight into the house hmm one of my neighbors have during Halloween so they have like the window right hmm but basically ground levels so during Halloween they would have a mannequin right at right at the window dressed up as well keep me out every single time see those guys just thinks make me wish we had that as well yeah like it doesn't need to be gory or anything just a mannequin I mean that might be creepier than like a gory thing I guess As for sure, it creeps me out. Yeah all the time. I'm excited for Halloween this year because this would be the first year where to house instead of an apartment and we're in like a neighborhood filled with a good amount of kids so might have to do something fun for Halloween. Can I come visit? I want to trick or treat. I forget you guys. Don't really do Halloween over there. No, I've never done that. I mean it's starting to become sort of a thing over here. Are now but it's just like dressing up and going to a party like the whole kids running through the streets that that sounds amazing. I wish we could do that when I was young. Yeah, a lot of kids nowadays. They don't live in like suburbs. They just go to the mall because there's been articles about people like lacing the the candy is like drugs and stuff. It's like, what the heck Halloween dude yea now. Let's just go to the malls. Yeah trick or treat. It's like a whole new generation. It's wild. Yeah, it looks like that's cheating. Why would someone do that? I know it's so messed up. We would ruin candy like that. Yeah, they don't know. Well, I think that's going to be it for the podcast. I think this one pretty well. Yeah. No, but you guys are we already at 40 minutes? Oh, yeah. We're almost 50 times slaying. Yeah, we're pretty easy right painless. Yeah, a lot of sight tracks as usual. Hmm, which is good. I'll take this out. I guess. Yeah cool. If you like the show and tell everyone about it and your Minecraft Community or just now everyone share this episode on social media and leave us a rating and review that really does help us reach more listeners. If you would like to get into contact with the show send an email to podcast and Ripple effect as some p.com send us a tweet or best option is join of this car and we can we can actually have a chat with you if you want. Yeah. Thanks for in the show notes and you dared the outro for like the first time in five or six episodes. That was awesome. I didn't feel like that to me. But sure. Okay. This episode has been brought to you by Bank of myself, but also our digital producer Carl he helps make sure the show doesn't end up being drowned by bees or something. That music you listen to in the intro and outro is brought to you by decoy decoy is awesome and both their social media links can be found in the show notes. Also Nina. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're can everyone find you find me on Twitter and twitch at nine and Nina, NY and aah and Ina, I'm sure Kyle puts it in the show. No. Yes. Well, it'll be there too. Yeah, but thanks for joining us. Yeah. It's been a lot of fun. It's been nice having another person who wasn't on the server because most people most of our server members already kind of know what's going on and everything. So having an outside perspective was nice. Yeah, of course, that's anytime good times, but that's going to be it guys. Thank you so much for joining us getting withered with us and all that. Good jazz. Bye. See you later. 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Okay everybody. Thank you guys so much for joining us tonight. This is the challenge War of the Worlds season 2 episode 4 Benedict Laurel. I am Pamela gross, but I'm not here alone. I've got we'll start with you down at the end. We have the founder of fit TV, you know him you love him. He is David. David what's going on guys? How we doing tonight? Good good. Let's do this. Yeah, and the man sitting next to him that you all know and love Gomez Disney Dan. Yes. It's like do we have to change that now to tick tock Dan? What's up guys? Yes, it's true. I'm on Tick-Tock now Idiot Box boys possum and you know him from the Jersey Shore and yeah shot at love shows right here on after. This is the wonderful funny. What's up guys? What's up guys? Thanks again for having me excited. This was a crazy episode. Can't wait to talk about it as you can tell we're live tonight with only cheer. Yeah. We love our wonderful producer in the studio. You guys tonight was incredible. We had some USA on USA action. We're going to go over that we had what I would say is Maybe One of the most fun eliminations in a very long time if not top five ever in challenge history. And today we've got for you some news and gossip and we are going to be taking your calls you get ready if there's something you want to talk about. We will be taking your calls alive tonight. So join the show. Alright everyone. Let's just jump right into overall thoughts. Why don't you take it away? Um, it was a great episode on it. Definitely for me was a little bit of a bummer because I didn't want to see Laurel go. I was rooting for us. I'll kind of bummed me out. Yeah, you know me team bananas but uh, you know, I thought was great. That was a very entertaining it was a challenge was actually it was pretty creative. It's different super close. So yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah. All right, Laurel. I'm talking to Laurel Laurel. This is what happened when you say my boy Wes home. This is what happens. Why'd you do it? And also in theory I am truly were already talked about this, but Kyle kind of started this all today and you have a soda weird. And I loved it for him for that. That was the first funny thing. He said I'll season and it was like I don't really know if if they're on his team, but they could have been as so funny. It was hilarious really title Puppet Master this whole thing take this episode was also episode 3 was amazing episode four hands down better than episode 3 and clearly there's like a divided because I when it Laurel Wait, you want to Lord? I want it Laura Duane pale. I guess I love your tears. I could care less if Laura went home or staying I don't care how I wanted it cut me deep in could not be happier that she got her lumps tonight. And the way it all panned out. My overall thought is that I don't think are needed to cry about it. But I do think it's really silly that Team USA didn't learn from last season. They should not be turning on themselves at this point. I do not think it's good gameplay and I would expect more from veterans like Johnny then to be doing that at this point. We expect more from Johnny should be nicer or not a jerk, but I'm saying they should have learned from last time not to self sabotage their own team. But yeah, that's early is though Laurel said it perfectly. She heard West saying he had no problem getting rid of other people on his team. So Laurel, she I can't put it against her for a Lying to think of something to save her own but it didn't work out for her unfortunately, but she was playing the game if she just would have stay there and twiddle their thumbs and said, okay, we're all on the same team. Let's do this. She still would have been going home. She is playing a game and her targets are based on an alliance that Kyle made up. So how good of a game is that when we don't we but Kyle did make it up but there's also no cam never was like, oh Oh, I'm not with that team. No one's just straight up said they they never did. You know, we're in a part of that team and and Laurel also heard what you heard from West so she had motive it wasn't just out of nowhere, you know, so she she had a reason to react the way she did and I think that in all fairness that's that's fair. She heard she heard herself everybody else. Everybody has a lion says first of all, Josh is West wanted to take Josh out. I don't know why Laurel took that so personally or what it has to do with Laurel at all. Frankly the Laurel came on. Laurel and Theory went to Josh and said great. I'm gonna write I want to take out west wasn't threatening Laurel. Well, I think what for a lauro it was just west saying he was going to take out other people on the team, but and Laurel isn't and Wes has Alliance. So from my from where I'm standing, I'm thinking Laurel wanted to get rid of Wes and everyone with West so she wouldn't get kicked off I mean Laura. Well, just thought she was Untouchable the bee's knees. She's going around making plans. If you're not with me, you're against me she is so condescending. I think that the word bully gets thrown around too much these days and I'm not into it. But Laurel He's a Bully like that little technicality that she lost. Shoot and would have actually worked out for her had she not miss that one little Peg but you know as she lost yes, but barely what is their point explain to me the strategy of throwing the game. So they lose it was their plan. It wasn't their fault. It was bananas and Laurels plan, but it was really bananas playing bananas plan was he was like, hey, this is I don't agree with it. But he's like if I in theory sent home one girl from our own team. I'll have the People back on my side. I'll have the numbers back on my side which I don't agree with how the hell is that what the word means? Well have the number of people that are in his Alliance. This is my whole point going into this the US team was never together. They all had their own finger from the start Wes my boy Wes, who by the way ran this episode and wasn't even there Wes was his ultimate plan. Let's say he was just the first one to say it out loud his ultimate plan, which was I'll just take out whoever I want on the team. He's the first one to do it everyone already had plans today. Actually, he wasn't saying we'll do anything when we when it turns to the dog-eat-dog time as if we're not winning, but they were winning locator. So panniers designed to throw it Bill. If Wes didn't go home. We'd all be saying. Oh is it bro? Who cares that Wes is saying he's gonna eliminate everybody. No, I disagree. I disagree because he even admitted himself before the show even started. He was trying to form alliances. So there is already an Indian. That's why either way. He's just first one to tell everyone he doesn't care that everyone knows that he's not who the hell really thought his me faithful to UST many ways with bananas and Jordan or II don't know but it's silly. Well, it's this early. It doesn't make sense to me that they would not want to win. I feel like get as many of their strong players out. Guess what USA it whether your strongest you whether your alliance or the other Alliance has to get there to the end. You have to still win to get there. So you want to work as a team. I would never watch. Rely on a conspiracy. But let's just say that all of this is for nothing and that when the finals come around TJ's like hey every man and woman for themselves. So I would not be surprised point is is that does it really matter? Who's if you're on the US or the Brit side right now like TJ could just up and his upside down just switch it up now well to answer your question Dan right now. It does in the end. We'll find the right to get there with your to write the the people on the US team. They they've been on the show enough where they know there's going to be more twists and turns so they like you're probably right. They probably know something is coming up and they probably have a feeling that they are going to get split up. So why not get rid of the strong players now? Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what that was. My thing is like why not like when Josh wanted to get rid or I guess Josh and Laurel and 3 want to get rid of Wes. I hate the move because Wes is a strong player and if you have to go against him at some point in this stupid game, it just seems to me that Turning on themselves this early as Cora said tonight, like why even compete then if we're admittedly its all-out War within our team like yeah. Yeah, but that's just stupid. I think we're giving away too much credit. I'm we I think this was just a ticking Time Bomb. We knew eventually it was going to happen. They're going to implode there's too many Egos and there's too much bad history between all of them. It's dead. We all know this gonna happen how Warfare though if they were going to throw the challenge they should have been a little more subtle about it. That's what's so About Laurel and bananas like oh no they just thought we are Untouchable Laurel thought she was never that didn't even consider. Well that she would be why do you think bananas did it on the girls elimination? But as thought it through moral is so obviously blinded. It's funny. She's believing what Kyle said Morrow for all her talk about whatever is like being puppeteered by Kyle and making moves, you know, based on her crush on bear. It's just All I know is that wouldn't it be fun? If the girls in the US team next week through the challenge so that they could in theory get bananas to go into them into the elevation. They should that be fun. Actually that's not a bad idea everything. He said about them is coming is going to bite him in the butt when they were talking. He's like you guys were going to do this. You're just mad that we have the numbers now. It's like well, you don't now you lost her cheerleader Laura. I don't know I've been is was so like up in arms but everything it's it is so early in the game like Because I've laid back and just play the challenge your fight. He hit was even close to even be on a chopping block. Any where exactly is be quiet been and that's what happens to bananas every single challenge. He always puts himself on The Chopping Block. This was the one challenge where people were not going after him. And so now with yeah with him throwing this challenge, he's like the number one target now. Yeah, that's a good point. Absolutely. And again, why did he do it? Why was he such a loudmouth about it? You nailed it because he wasn't up for elimination this week. Week it was a girl's challenge. He can behind moral. He had her do his dirty work and look what happened. So speaking of that. Is there something you want to tell everybody that's listening to us. Yes, of course, we here at AfterBuzz. Just wanted to thank you guys for making us the ESPN a TV talk and in order for us to grow we need your help. So if you're on YouTube right now, go ahead and give us a thumbs up. If you're on iTunes go ahead and give us a five-star working AfterBuzz means so much to us, and we just want to Continue to learn and grow. So go ahead and leave us a comment and let us know how we're doing and we will continue to give you guys amazing good content. Thank you so much and everybody. We are as we mentioned going to be taking your calls live tonight. So get your pens or your your phones out so you can get the number down. It is 4 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 2 we're going to talk a little bit more about the competition. Yeah, and then we'll be taking your calls. So get ready. Yeah, so let's go into this this competition. It's a perfect transition we use so they throw it it's they were lifting up gigantic heads and carrying them up a hill relevant parameter relics. They were very big relics. It's what called actually Relic Runner. Yes. So that was essentially giant heads and dragging them up a hill whilst the other team had slingshots and hoses and then the big human In a ball absolutely. Only bad ball is like your abs, right David David David actually Josh who you know not my favorite had a good strategy in this game though. He was saying I am going to Target their slow. Lowest player so that because this was a timed competition so that if he slowed down or knock the Relic out of their slowest players hands, they would then have more time for Team USA which was actually smart Team USA would have won Laura wouldn't have had to go home. If she wasn't such a I'm gonna say the b word boy and a meanie and she didn't try and steamroll. Everybody boy boy howdy. Okay. What do you all think this first one? I I'm so sorry. It with the with this whole challenge, I don't think they should have thrown the challenge because it's just bad poor sportsmanship. Another thing is Ashley. I feel like Ashley should have try to complete the challenge. I feel like she kind of does this throughout her challenge history where she'll cry about something and she'll say something is not fair and that, you know, this isn't her team. She doesn't want to compete with this team and you know, I'm always rooting for the girls. So it just sucks to see her like give up like that because she is is a very strong competitor. She's won two challenges. She has a chance of winning this third one. So it just sucks to your just give up like that. I agree that she shouldn't have but it's hard to I do feel like how you going to keep going when her own team for once. I am not totally against Ashley's temper tantrum. This one made a little more sense to me than I can't find my socks or some of our other temper tantrums. I would be really pissed too if I found out that I was being sabotaged by my own team. See the thing is if that happened to me and I was on a challenge and I would just use that anger to finish the challenge and win it and then just be like now what yeah, but you can't move. All right. I see your point and I agreed it's a tough spot to be in if your team is legitimately sabotaging you, you know, I mean, I think naturally anybody's gonna be pissed off, you know, and you're gonna it's gonna go through your mind like eff this that's a tough spot. I think you have to be in that situation. Obviously. I'm not one to back a quitter. Yes, I'd say yeah you Finish it out, but I can understand the frustration for sure. I mean you feel betrayed, you know, right? All right, a couple thoughts on this challenge here, you know, we usually say it's an advantage to go second. Yes. I actually think conspiracy for Dan again. It's an advantage to go first in this one because the ground would be dry to start and they were and I was wondering if they were going to use different paths. So they would have Nikolas dryness to start because that hose yeah soaked it down. It's like a fire hose So in theory The Producers like oh we better have the Go first, and that might actually give them a better opportunity to win because they've been wanting them to win. So there's your conspiracy for me and second. There was an equalizer in this challenge. Anybody notice The Equalizer where some of those sure the live chat home some were Giant and somewhere actually smaller really concise. So I assume in theory they could have had the girls carry the smaller ones ya later and wait there for giving out her eyes and give him a better chance to give them the one that feel was holding was taller than Theo and feels like six eight. So that was so I knew that there was different size. Yeah. All right. Well, let's go into let's just go right into the nominations and then the eliminations before we take the call so so that we can have the collars way in and again, thank you guys for joining us get those phones ready and thank you to everyone that's in the live chat you are. It's like you're here with us. We enjoy it. We're seeing your comments now, so thank you for joining us. Okay, so This was this whole episode where I literally was like I like pulling out my hair was so tense. So they decide so the USA team loses. So the Brits are the thing you get the ID and you dress. Yes. Okay, so they watch the USA eliminations. We're all All team bananas and Laurel vote decide to throw in ninja and Ashley has joined them to save herself. Which fair right? What do you guys think of that the decision to throw in a ninja II didn't think anything was wrong with it. I was kind of annoyed with how a ninja was just like crying about it. Someone has to go in you know, and it just happens. So happened to be her. Everyone's gonna have to go into. Well not everyone but people are going to have to go into the elimination. That's the name of the game. Right? So if you want if you want to keep your Player though. I just don't think that that was right decision. I think you could put an Ashley. I think that she would have been a fine choice and it I don't know I just thought ninja I mean like my know she was being a little like cocky tonight, but not that bad. But like she made it to the final four last time, huh? She's only grow. Yeah, and she's the only girl and she's saying well, it's you know, it's my second season is like well ninjas only your second season though. He's right we've been around for eight years and not that so I get that white and she also kind of this case. She doesn't have that many friends right on that side wall, I guess Cam and now what, In someone else's car was hugging her at the end, but they had no issues like yeah, everyone's throwing ninja and yeah, we'll go ninja to all right. I don't know. I just thought it was kind of ninja I get that. She was a little upset by it kind of nowhere. Yeah. I'm yeah, I agree with you Benny. I don't agree how she's too kind of thrown a tantrum tonight. I don't think it was that big of a deal for getting thrown in. Yeah fortunately came back for her, you know, but I don't think it was that big of a deal to be honest. I mean, I think she could have handled that a little more gracefully, right? I think we saw that side of her with About last time when she freaks out. He doesn't like being you know what she perceives as insulted or wronged or whatever. But so then she talks to the tribunal and says, hey go big or go home. Basically, I want to go against Laurel is the boulder move and then we have them go out for the night. And we see Johnny convincing George ought to vote for Cara that car has the way to go. What did you think about the ultimate votes and having Laurel go into the elimination. I would have loved to see Cara going because car escapes elimination after eliminate. I can't be mad at the girl because you know again, that's the name of the game if you can escape going into elimination kudos to you, but it would have been so dope to just see Cara go in and just to see her not necessarily prove herself because she has proven herself, but just to see her in an elimination. Because it's been a while. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree with that. I mean, okay. I think what it comes down to is with all this is you're either you might have to fisticuffs. You're either Team USA team Cara Paulie cam. Those people team Wes will call them or team bananas and Laurel and I'm 100% team Cara pole. Cam. Yeah smoke. You know, what are you guys? So of course I'm like what I wouldn't want two of them to go against. What did you what team are you guys on that? Laurel and bananas hands down hands down. These guys are going after me. I need to do something to save my butt sabotaging their team. No one was going after anyone while they were winning. They could have kept that going for a long time, but She went off of what she heard Wes a and so that's what scared. Yeah, dirty dirty player that floral. Yeah, I will never be team bananas. So whatever other teams down and jump on that theory my team already went home because Wes lost last week while we got. Um, yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Cara ever either and Camp to Camp think she's a champion that she's never let you leave cam alone up here. What team is our live chat? I'm curious to know what well, we'll have to start writing in. All right, everyone tell us what then you are talking all kinds of doesn't think Bears even cute. I can't believe it. Simon does not think Bears even cute how dare he show his eyes you can see the ocean and his goddamn eyes. So let us know in the live chat which Team USA team you are four and let's get into this elimination because it is crazy times. Oh take it away Dan. Why don't you start us off with our thoughts our feelings on the elimination? Yeah, it was really fun. Oh is my conspiracy? That was all this crap. I'm so glad you brought this up. I didn't know what my final consideration for the night. Yes, me and Homer going to answer this. So my final conspiracy is that the producers knew ahead of time that Team USA was gonna with that had voted ninja in because ninja had to talk to the the tribunal D and the other two, so they are you so they Picked this elimination for Ninja on purpose because they didn't want to see her go home early bam after was pretty interesting. How was it how I've heard you was that for Ninja to win? No matter who she went. They didn't know was going to be Laura Lee knows we parted no, but they set that up for ninja and that's what ninja in theory does for a living right? Yes, but I will say remember when a ninja last time was like, oh goody goody. This one's for me and it was holding onto tires and getting dragged she fell off right away. Well, I mean sometimes the things that Are made for you and still it's anybody's game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a thought about the final on the elimination tonight. I thought this just couldn't like you couldn't make this stuff up the slow-mo cut they had of Laura look like with her just just wagging around even after she yeah after she thought I can't believe ninja figured that out every part of this was poetry because I was grabbing My hair clutching it dying like oh my God, it was neck-and-neck. It was so crazy. You're thinking ninjas gonna totally smoked this then borrow is right behind her. Then Laurel rings the bell and all this. They're celebrating you see everybody cheering then the time goes by and we just see Ninja sort of still up there going. Oh, there's not a hole up here. Like right one that was missed and she finds the last holes. I don't I mean saw I was confused. Ninja ever find the final hole Yeah. So it was that the bottom and she write this so they did they both people and so Laurel put it in. I mean not luring it just drew it hits our climbed up. Yeah ninja but the top with one laughed and put it in the top Laurel put hers back in the bunch of shitty day. She couldn't because she already had stuck it in the top one right here. She just had to leave his blankie try to climb back and clean but then Laurel Laurel climb up I so to try and beat her but after this to happen right now either to beat her or to at least try to grab her thing grade and climb back like that would be and that's what it is. I just want to know like how I guarantee she was so pissed probably. She probably felt so stupid to you after that because she's talking. Oh all this crap. Well, she slipped everybody off. They had the oh my God for her. I was doing like the Sukkot symbol, of course the producers put that in slow motion amazing. I was like, oh my God, what kind of face of it freaked me out? Oh my God scared me. Well, her pinched condescending face was like you use what you got like she was trying to talk her way out of cheating basically like yeah a real competitor use what they got. Yeah. It's like no. No, no, but you know, they blew the horn. So I mean you can't blame her though. You would think it's over exactly the whole well has she run the bowel, but then they it's in the UK team cheated. I mean, it's crazy just same idea, right? They went back and reviewed it. Just think of ninja wouldn't say anything like Laurel probably would have no one would have known. Hey guys, David people are actually on your side here. Yes. There was a hole just not meant for the yes. Yeah, oh my God, so physical that was crazy though because Laura was running her mouth and it's funny because when she was sort of fighting with Cam in that room Laurel be like scared of you. Yeah, give her come back to look at bananas like Schleich did I do good? She was such bananas little puppet and boy did that fight her don't ever kids. We have PSA music kids. If you're listening don't ever be bananas puppet. You're not gonna help me. Like she got her butt kicked. No, she didn't, you know barely lost. She backed all her talk when my opinion she but if she would've got smoke that's one thing but she barely lost ninja got lucky before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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She's well, this reminded me of a challenge a couple years ago where when it was was CT against someone else and it was like they had to push this this big pillar and CT rip the flag off and he wasn't supposed to rip it off and he he won but then they said he weren't supposed to rip it off you're supposed to undo it and he ended up losing the same exact thing that happened with Laurel. Let me say let me say this to maybe just defend David and that's right. They in theory if they both missed that same Peg on the bottom, right? Huh in theory who if they if they just kept it equal like that like they both missed the first Peg and they all they both got top of the same time. It's not fair in theory because I know Laurel stuck it inside book. She had no way of because a ninja just was able because she had one left over right? She was able to kind of put it in there and go to the top and fiery Laurel couldn't had no choice but to try to get it and put it back down below. That's all I'm saying there, but I want an instrument so it worked out for me. Yeah, and also I'm gonna cop and I'm not Theory because I miss different Polls it wasn't that they miss the salt just a totally different one like the middle somewhere. Yeah, but when ninja got up there she didn't pretend they're what she doesn't like. I'm done. I agree. It was like wait a second. I can't find a hole. It's all happening so fast, right? It's like wow you that she was sticking Faking It? I still agree that you cheated possibly. I'm glad that ninja one. Yeah, I'm just saying the what would you do if it was your client doesn't have this extra one. What do you have to make it right? Hey just a heads up guys. There has to be one every hole I forget if he said that or not he definitely said that was punished. Definitely 21. It's a horrible then their holes. Yeah, and then the best part is not plural did go back and then she counted them that's 21 knowing that the top one wasn't it though? All right. So everybody it's the moment you've all been waiting for get those phones Out Boy and we are doing will be taking your calls. No spoilers. Yeah, please don't spoil don't spoil stuff for next week. Yeah, no spoilers. We're before the upcoming weeks. Okay. So let's also talk about why I just have one quick comment. That's funny. I love Tori so much. But when Georgia said car's name, there was a little cut away to Tori and she was like, come on don't run away from going and challenges tour of color and it's like well who no one wants to go into the the challenge. I thought that was a strange sort of they're just trying to find spots to throw Tori in these episodes. She's got no story line, especially because her and Jordan are pretending Like not like each other right now or there's like they're not like ugly, right? Yeah. She's got no story life is not for Jordan right now. So it is what it is. Sorry. Sorry. Alright guys, so this is a perfect time for me to jump in. We have a caller on the line. So call her let us know who you are where you're calling from. Hi, my name is Kaya and I'm from North Carolina. Thanks for calling. So what do you want to talk about tonight? There's a lot going on in this episode. Okay, Dan I'm with you wild wild west miss you so much. He wasn't even in this episode. Yes. I mean Wes has is here forever to be with all of us and we all love them and we pray to the gods that night that will be on another challenge. So there you go. I'm glad he went here and another page and another thing when they were in the room It was chamomile or I think why would everyone I was bananas so distance on like can and Cara working at like if people are friends outside the show you expect him coming in his game. He's had each other's back. But what was it different? What was so wrong about people by having pre-existing friendships coming into the game? Of course, if your friends somebody you coming to the game. You don't want your friends calling you out. That's the part. I didn't get in this whole episode about pre-existing. I think I'm lying. He's not even admitting that he did but I mean, yeah. Well Kyle had told Laura. Oh that they made an alliance before they came. I don't know why Laurels listening to Kyle first of all and taking advice from Kyle who's on a different team, but he said that they had an alliance before they came in. So Laura was going off of that and cam was like, I do not have an allowed to talk to these people. Yeah. That's what she said. She said well why but then she said two bananas which was her mistake. Well, why would I why would I tell you if I talk to people so just if you're looking if he saves you can't call that over time. So yeah, I'm friends with these people. I'm in the game doesn't mean the game. So everyone's doing it. So why is it bananas? If you just say the business? Yeah. I'm talking to you and guess what bananas your top of him free and black see what else is going to say today? Yeah. He just wanted someone who would be just want to came to admit that she's talking people then he has nothing on her so cam just you're talking to people who cares. Yeah big deal. You're all talking to people. Yeah, do you think that bananas was acting as because he didn't have nobody on his head. He was like had like half a team on this idea think he's an actor people to question because he doesn't have the body but Lauren Jordan and Tory but that's not even half. I don't even know if he has Jordan Jordan yelled at him tonight when he threw the ball wrong and he already Jordan got super mad at bananas right away and bananas like they are start fighting. I don't I don't know why I've been in is even open his mouth this season just be quiet and we would see T's doing be new dragon. And speaker if he shuts up once in a while, but he get far he doesn't shut up. Thank you so much for calling. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, yeah Jonathan let us know if you get anyone else in the line will talk to them to will do we got quite a few callers. All right, Jonathan. All right. We actually got one right now call or let us know who you are where you're calling from. Hi, this is Marissa from the Bay Area, California. Hello, so Dan, thank you for reading my comment about world find yet. Another person you're getting on that me understand. Why chat right now. I don't know what's going. I thought we were cool Marissa I think away back on or I'm here for you all day. Yes. So what do you think about her performance and the challenge in the final elimination? Oh, it was so rigged like they're there the whole up there for a reason and she put it in there. So just down the wrong one. So I think it's gonna producers for not being clear or just knocked like stepping in immediately and saying something different TJ's it except in earlier in my opinion and clarified that because it was a little muddled and I'm still upset with it. But whatever ninja you climate that's perfectly you said I completely agree like it doesn't seem like it was very clear because there was a lot of confusion Both sides and like I said, he's still they still rang the buzzer. So if they had known previously that there's not one up there. They would have known when she did that David. Let me throw this at you. There's exact same hole for 20 pegs prior, right? And it was a joke. Yeah, that's not the whole Hood but I mean, but I mean wouldn't they trickle in different sized hole but I'm saying when they have said that when she originally did it. Why do they take so long? Like I agree with her that that was it's weird. The Bell didn't ring which is why I thought I should go into some type of Of sudden death because Laurel didn't really know what was going on at this. It is very muddled. This is right. It was muddles. This is what should have happened the producers like the drama though. So they're like let's let's have it be this way exactly go on like you can see over things and she saw a hole right there. So she put it in like come on Marissa. Do you really think I look like a hold or just like an open Gap? It wasn't even like a whole though the top of a pole. We don't know or Go Pro or something. Like they just like couldn't put something in there. Our or whatever but moving on I've whatever I'm still kind of pissed but hi. Well, my boy West went home last week. I'm still recovering. So you got at least a week in here right now to recover. But anyway, that was like one of the best elements that talking about morals notebook, which oh my God. The most intimidating thing on this challenge her notebook Laurel and her notebook. Yeah, like okay. Oh, I would be me. Like if I was on the times I would be the notebook girl with Laura. Like I feel like that's my she's my spirit animal Challenge and always have been since the very beginning and they watch the show and then also Leroy was his comment about throwing the competition like we've always just you man. So that is all and thank you guys. I listen to you all the time. So thank you very much. Wait Morris it before you go. I have a question for you do you think about Are lurking around watching Georgia and bear because that was a funny moment to a funny Laurels like kinda catching them. Okay, to be honest, I'd be looking to I'm not going as well. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. We didn't really talk about the relationship that was going on tonight. That is it is so crazy because I mean Wanted something nice to have him for Josh. I don't think it's that by I get really I also said that I like the relationship between her and bear better. As far as like they are cute together Wish Bear could be fatal. We didn't get a barrister. It's a slag Flags Landslide. So when he was all upset that Laurel got called down not putting on a she didn't go home yet. You got calm down. There he goes. Oh my God. I'm like a bear. You got three other girls trying to hook up with I think it's okay if she goes home, huh? He likes Georgia Ashley Nani and you like All of them Gates Haley Haley, but they didn't say not anything I did. You said Cayley, Georgia Ashley and Laurel. Yeah. No be easier to say what girls he does? Yeah, that seems like a good transition. We got one more. Martin from Colorado. Hi, Martin, Maher you called last week? Yeah, what do you got for us tonight, Martin from Colorado? Well David, I'm with you. I'm glad yeah, Danny. Episode it was like a hole where she like put like the peg. I think it was like a long hold of something that I think the producers put it on purpose. Like if I'm not mistaken you watch this episode. I swear it was trying to make Laurel have not cheated my God. This is kind of goes with my conspiracy Logan nitrites. I think the elimination was rigged since the producers probably wanted ninja to win which is what I had said. I agree and you two went to win. I don't know. She's a competitor from last year and they want to keep her around and they didn't know she was gonna go against another ha competitor like Laurel, so they wanted they just wanted to kind of I don't know. That she's and she's been a Twist one. Yeah, and she prays for I think I think if they wanted more drama either because you know, it's going to do that. Yeah. I can't imagine them not wanting to keep your true where they can get it. They want to get it and they got it because this was a nail-biter. Well, thank you so much for calling in and hopefully we'll talk to you again next week. Yes. Thanks man. Well, David. Looks like more people are on your side of the bed or don't tell a lot of people coming to your defense. But then again you got our own the right slower less crazy ASF ASF because it neither is she just s was an accident. It's as if there was no space there. I'm sorry. All right. Yeah. I mean wow it was incredible. But all right guys, wait one more quote we have time for one more caller. They will move on to news and God. Got some news and caps. So call her let us know who you are where you're calling from. Hi Taylor Hey Taylor, welcome back again from last night. I'm just not join you and I don't know if you guys touched on this or not. But what do you think about Georgia and barely make it out in fear? Forgetting about Laurel and Georgia Skin about Josh. That's a get-together go great question Heather. So we did kind of Taylor we did sort of skip over that. You know what I'll say. I am glad I It was really cool how Georgia just straight up till Josh. Hey, we hooked up. Sorry. That was really cool. Very just like be upfront about it and Josh acted really chill about it to true. Yeah respect to both of them. Yeah, he did handle it well and that's actually really cool to Georgia to admit that she could totally have that and I could have blew up later Josh seems like he's just happy that their friends and if it does progress and that's cool. But if not, he didn't seem like he was gonna meet they had a brief moment the pool talking to I don't know who he was talking to forget. Maybe it was D. I think GT was like if she Hasn't reciprocated. She's probably not going to yeah, Josh is like super heartbroken or anything. I think he's actually you know for as emotional as Josh is he's actually handing this. Okay? Yeah, I'm like unlike some game elements. But yeah, I feel for irritated because I love her so much and I think Bears, you know, nothing but trouble well, he's using it. They are cute together. I mean like that whole flirtation like, oh you think you can sweet-talk me with food know like was so cute. But like what he's like, Are you saying he misses cuddling with her? I'm like man. I wish I was bear. I miss Cullen with Georgia like it is cute, but I wish charge on what do you think? Also her friend Nicole, uh-huh still hasn't talked yet. They are holding a relic tonight. She said something but not in here. She's just sliding under the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if she made it to the final gotta be crazy. There's no I wouldn't she's getting one if he week where she has to go into some type of elimination and she is done. That's a good production. I don't think just got Taylor. Thank you for calling fishy. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to everybody. That's call again. We think it's really fun. It's a great segment. We do have another special segment. I want to bring back another. Oh, no, he twin boys music God this is so oh no heat Witten comes from our boy Wes who tweeted God just really funny because West were so alive and well with us Wes. Gone, but not forgotten. He tweeted, you know, this cast is a bunch of a-holes when people in the world are rooting for car and Pauly car, I'm Paulie and I thought that was really funny. He's like, you know, like people have now turned that everyone's making such diverse that they're like, yeah the car I'm Paula and I'll never be some cotton poly. But yeah. Yeah, I guess we blurred love it. Yeah, it's crazy. But I love her short hair this season you do, too. I told you. Because on the show they were on his side, right? Yeah. No, he's just saying it's funny because they were Public Enemy Number One Last so many Egos and bad. Yeah villains. I guess you could call that if you want to that that they seem like the sweethearts and then for our news and gossip. I'm not a boy. Oh boy, unsubstantiated gossip not entirely true. We haven't seen receipts on this but it has been floating around from several sources that Johnny and Jenny the beast from the other team. Yeah. Stop really what in a bathroom during the challenges like during these episodes and they just decided not to talk about Mike. We that yeah, so Johnny's not with Morgan anymore. I was bringing this. Is Paulie? Okay, so he's saying look because look at you came at me so hard for cheating you cheated on Morgan. And then the everyone on the Internet is also saying and Morgan met Johnny by cheating on her boyfriend. So it's just sort of a you know, it's just sort of a Morgan. That's just the way it mean. It's just that a lot of pot calling the kettle black Jenny denies that this ever happened. So we don't know if it's true or not. I'm sure we'll hear a lot about that during the reunions. Yeah, I guarantee you. And Morgan actually came back at Polly with a funny come back about him juggling women will see so she's not denying that it happened that she's Morgan's not that drastic at sheet. Oh, she died. Didn't she was just sort of making a joke? I don't think she was addressing it one way or the other some other news and gossip. Oh, but then a few people said this but they had hooked up in the bathroom because they were saying oh don't trust Polly but apparently eat dress said it they did to like people that you wouldn't have any reason to lie about it. Yeah. Yeah, you just has no lying about it. And Tory and Jordan got engaged. Yeah. No, that's okay congratu. Congratulations. All right in Jordan. Did you hear the the extra news on that that car? I'm Polly or really mad that they stole their Thunder. That's the real new proposal true. I don't know. That's why couldn't I heard and and I don't know if you guys want to talk about this in live chat. I've heard that there's some that the proposal really what didn't. Early happen or wasn't true or something like that that that was in the some people are writing about in here. So if you want to Enlighten us on that right now, we believe that it actually did happen, correct. But yeah, we have no reason to believe they didn't happen. But I heard some rumors out there that the proposal it was a lie. So I don't know why they would lie about this. So please tell us in the life. I don't I don't get it either. But if that's I don't I don't know. But yeah. All right, we have very little time left. So why don't we super quick when we're will say our will throw it to you guys to we can say you can't Your goodbyes as well as maybe a prediction will throw that in with your with your good-byes your AfterBuzz just like Johnny and goodbye. Johnny is back to being the Numero Uno Target in he's gonna have the watch his back. Good one, no you are right. Where who are you and where you can find me on all social media at Benny Jay Adams no prediction for me tonight, but I'll give you this ninja should switch sides because she would be a force with d Rogan and justice. Hit me up at idiot box Boys on Tick-Tock. I'm rocking that now and I will pay back of a both you and agree with both of you. Yes, she should have switched. And yes, Jonny is gonna be Target. Number one. You can find me on Instagram at I'm David Christopher forward or Twitter or fit TV network. Thank you guys so much for hanging out Pam take it away. Okay, guys, my name is Pamela throws gel. You can find me across social media at that. My prediction is that the Team USA is going to need to find a way to work together in the upcoming weeks instead of picking each other off. I hope that they're going to realize that stupid and thank you so much for joining us. 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These horoscopes focus on what I see as being the most important themes of the season and I'll offer some perspective on how to work with these themes through your embodied awareness Gemini season extends between Tuesday, May 21st and Friday, June 21st, please listen to the horoscopes for both your sun sign and your rising sign. Your sun sign is the time of year. You were born and it's the answer you give. When asks you what your sign is Sun Sign horoscopes will generally give you more information about what's important in your larger life journey and soul development. Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born and the rising sign horoscopes generally give you greater insight into the current events of your day-to-day life many people also find valuable information in the horoscopes for their Moon signs, which often speak to more emotional experiences or those occurring within the home and family. If you don't know your signs, you can get a free chart in the horse in the the horoscope section on my website embodied astrology.com check on the site any way to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs for Gemini season to learn more about Gemini and Gemini season, make sure to listen to the guided meditation called meet your mind. Gemini is a sign in everyone's chart. And in this meditation, you'll gain understanding for how to work with Geminis strengths and challenges and will experience how Gemini functions in your body and lived experience if your monthly subscriber you'll also receive my Ended month ahead astrology report this report includes an expanded forecast audio recording and downloadable PDF with information on planetary aspects in lunar cycles this month and suggestions for how to work with the astrology for your best benefit. You can subscribe today by becoming a monthly donor at any amount per month when you subscribe. You'll also receive discounts for my online classes other events and month late birthday reports. If you enjoy this work, please support it by sharing it with your friends on social media tag, and Follow embodied astrology on Instagram Facebook and Twitter. Please consider also supporting the work by leaving positive ratings on iTunes or like some comments on the links. Finally your financial support allows me to continue offering this work for free to donate or to find any of the information that I mentioned above. Go to embodied astrology.com or check the show notes. Thank you so much for listening. Happy Gemini season now onto your horoscope. Alright Aquarius this horoscope and month ahead. Look at Gemini season is for you. So your sign is actually the sign that's Rising as Gemini season begins from my perspective. So in Portland, Oregon the moment that the sun moves into the tropical sign of Gemini Aquarius is also just about to come up on the easternmost Horizon. So one way that I would interpret this. Is that your month ahead. Is really going to feel in many ways like a new beginning and the Sun is entering your fifth house Gemini rules your fifth house and that place in your chart has to do with your Creative Energy. And this means of course any projects that you have any creative projects and creativity is defined very broadly as whatever it is that brings you Joy where you feel like your inner. A child gets to express where you feel like you're at play and your passions. And so that could be a lot of things for a lot of people that also includes romance and the symbolism of the ascendant in this kind of relationship with the Sun at this very moment. And I should say that mercury is also entering this part of your chart on the same day and the Sun and Mercury will form a conjunction on a very first day of Gemini. Just feels like you are getting some kind of new idea with this season and that just seems really exciting. So make sure that you listen to The Gemini meditation to kind of learn more about how Gemini expresses itself and then understand that in this part of your life and your Creative Energy. Gemini is going to be very active. So the sun is bringing consciousness. And Mercury is bringing a lot of mental energy and so for the next month from May 21st through June 21st. There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't know you're busy you're thinking about your Creative Energy your creative projects. At least a couple of you maybe are going to have some new romantic energy entering into your life. And that's exciting. And remember that Gemini can overthink itself. That's one of the things that Gemma. It does and Geminis also prone to anxiety and you definitely want to practice with the Gemini guided meditation that I put out and for the season as well because that meditation is there to help you with the stuff that Gemini does which is overthink and get anxious. And so if you're working on some new projects or if you have exciting things going on with your romantic life or your friends or if there is a Lot of stuff going on with your kids. I should mention that the fifth house is also the place where we find information about your other creative projects the your kids, you know, you might just need some support with that. So stay grounded use the meditation other things that are going on this month. So as I mentioned Mercury is moving into your fifth house. This is a great time to be thinking about your projects to be thinking about your Man's to be thinking about your kids. There might be a fair amount of anxiety this month the way that Gemini is interacting with some other stuff that's going on in the sky and for you. This has to do with a kind of deep unconscious experience. And so as you're putting energy into what you're putting energy into this month, you may also be facing some fears or digging into what feel like old and may be very mysterious patterns or habits in your life and throughout the month. There are several opportunities for you to kind of make some significant Headway with these patterns in your life. And one of the ways that that might happen is that they might come out in certain areas of your life. And so you may experience all kinds of different things, but probably a fair amount of activity also in the part of your Life that has to do with your home and your family and groundedness. So whatever it is that you're coming home too and all the things that you might associate with home. It's important for you this month that you pay attention to ways that you might be kind of unconsciously embodying really old habits. And when you see yourself doing the things that you've always done that you recognize that now is the moment for change and you don't have to wait to get more perfect. You don't have to be able to fix the past and what's already happened, but you can do some waking up now and so there might be I don't know certain kinds of conversations that need to be had or Attention that needs to be paid to people who are at home and what's going on at home and especially in the first week or so of Gemini Seasons. So May 21st through the 29th or so that week is bringing up a lot of stuff and there may be a fair amount of stuff that's coming up with regards to kind of early life or old memories and and stuff that is maybe going on at home or N't kinds of things and these first couple of days of Gemini season may bring a lot of powerful understandings for words. So it's important that you pay attention to them. And that even if you don't know what it is that you're needing to do or exactly the end product of what it is that you're trying to do differently really just apply yourself to kind of consistent change and I want to say that being gracious and being loving to the people that you're sharing space with Is really helpful for you right now and finding warmth and generosity with the people that you're sharing space with like friendliness and love is super helpful. So if there are things that are getting in the way of that like old habits old patterns unconscious fears things like that just do your best, you know, when they come up really try and drop the mental kind of loop that might be happening. And just really get into your heart and be as present as you can the full moon meditation for the most recent full moon, which was just a couple days before Gemini season began might be really helpful for you during this time. So that meditation could be useful if you're working through kind of stability issues or stuff with the folks at home. May 30th through June 2nd Venus in Taurus is making a lot of aspects and this is part of what I'm talking about with this month of stuff going on at home. So Torres rules your solar fourth house is the place of home and family and Venus is going to make a number of aspects. These aspects have the potential to be very productive and transformative and ultimately good. But as they happen, they might also feel a little wild. Of the sensations that I can imagine coming up with these aspects would include kind of peak moments of intensity that for some people might feel like overwhelming love. It could feel like blowing your minds kind of idealistic Living in a Dream kinds of feelings. There might be a lot of opening and a lot of personal growth personal awareness deep transformation and understanding of like ancestral patterns or you know, just a lot that could be coming through on kind of more psychic waves and understanding deep patterns. There may be also some confusion around how to apply this in your life and like what to do with all of this energy and how to be in the world with it and people that are experiencing the more intense and Going to say more challenging aspects were vibrations of these aspects there could just be a lot surfacing right now. So especially May 30th through June 2nd find a good friends that you can call on the phone and make sure that you have something planned that is about self-care taking care of your body taking care of your psychic space, you know spiritual cleanses in whatever way you do them and connecting with resources. This is going to be a big and important thing for you to be doing at that time regardless of how you're feeling it. So you some of you are going to be feeling this as like potentially very expansive energy. And I want to say that for you to it's really important that you have some kind of grounding that you're doing like Epsom salt baths and being in your body and stuff like that that energy is all kind of moving into this climax that is happening with the new moon on. Monday June 3rd and so there's a new moon in Gemini at 12 degrees of Gemini. And again, this is the place in your chart that has to do with your Creative Energy your fun-loving child like romantic energy and also maybe about your kids and it doesn't have to be either or it could be both. So a new moon is always a time for a new beginning. This is a time to consider what seed you want to plant in this part of your life and how you want to cultivate Gemini's offering in your life. If for the next year check back in with me on the new moon for an embodied astrology meditation and ritual for that new moon in Gemini Mercury will enter cancer on June 4th. It'll Transit cancer through June 28th cancer is the place in your chart that has to do with your day-to-day schedule and how you're keeping your life together. Mercury will be moving with Mars throughout a good chunk of the later half of Gemini. Use them so that's like June 14th through 18th Mercury and Mars in cancer are making several aspects all over the chart but especially to placements and Taurus placements in Pisces and Capricorn. So I feel like you might be busy you might have a lot of things going on and it seems like there's a lot of opportunity for you, especially if it's coming to financial kinds of opportunities that you might have or any kind of You know opportunities that you might have with real estate. So if any of you are working with land or with real estate or in your home or if you're doing work, that's about sovereignty and embodiment and kind of claiming space or claiming home. There's a lot of opportunity in a lot of momentum and growth in that part of the chart over the month. Also Venus will enter Gemini and we'll move through Gemini from June 8th through July 4th. So again more energy coming into Gemini and The part of your chart that has to do with fun-loving creativity and Venus is good news. So Venus is bringing her love and abundance and magnetism, you know, the the just aquarians out there that are experiencing romances Gemini season. It really does look like quite a romantic season, although it may also just be a lot it could be a lot going on and I'm not entirely sure if it's all tied together. Gather but it could be simultaneous and concurrent there is a second quarter Square on June 9th when the sun in Gemini will Square Neptune in Pisces. So one thing I want to say is that on June 9th, if any of you artists are listening if there's some kind of financial thing that's happening for you around June 9th, or if you're a person that makes your living Really I should say like if you're a person who's self-employed if you have some kind of like creative hobby projects that now, you know, you're making money with or it's bringing resources into your life on June 9th and around June 9th. There may be some stuff going on with money and I just kind of want to put that out there that information isn't totally clear and if you're looking for funding those of you artists that are listening or those of you creatives that are listening always make sure that your spiritual alignment is an Integrity. So if you're really working for the best benefit of the people that you're serving if you're really clear about what it is that you're putting out into the world and why you're putting it out into the world that is magnetic and that's going to attract what it is that you need into your life. If you're stressing out about money or if you're like being sneaky or manipulative. And anyway, it's not going to work out well for you. This is not Good time for deals. And if you're not sure give it a pause. So that's a message that just kind of came in that I wanted to say. Otherwise, there's a full moon on June 17th. This is just a few days before we get into cancer season and that full moon is at 25 degrees of Sagittarius and 25 degrees of Sagittarius is quite a profound part of the zodiac. It's the place where the center of our galaxy is. It's called the galactic. Enter and this woman will also be highlighting Jupiter, which is really close to the point where the full moon is. So Sagittarius for you is the part of your chart that has to do with your friendships and with your social engagement the ways that you pursue kind of I don't know anything that has to do with your idealism your humanitarianism any of your like future-oriented projects or if you're a person that likes to get involved in social causes that could all be this part of your chart as well. Was just your friends and your networks and how you're thinking about, you know, you're greater kind of social sphere. So that full moon is bringing a lot of Illumination to these ideas. They're potentially as a lot of learning that you're doing or ways that you're expanding and the full moon is also always a time when there's heightened energy. So check back in with me on June 17th for the full moon in Sagittarius embodied astrology update. Eight. All right Aquarius. Thank you for listening. Definitely check out my month ahead offerings. If you're interested in more astrology. I have kind of much more in-depth and thorough forecast for the day-to-day and daily kind of planner and lunar guide and if you're interested in really working with embodied astrology check that out you get recordings and you get a written component to it and all kinds of Discounts when you subscribe, and you can also just purchase the monthly offering one time. Thank you so much for listening and thank you for your support of embodied astrology. Happy Gemini season. Bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Gemini Season in 2019. Gemini Season extends between May 21- June 21 Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs and to find out more about donating to sustain this work or becoming a monthly subscriber Check out the Embodied Astrology introduction and guided meditation for Gemini Season, Meet Your Mind. In this 40-minute episode I’ll introduce the sign Gemini as an embodied quality and state of being. Everyone has Gemini in their chart and Gemini is a very important sign! This is the sign that governs mental processes, thinking and language. I’ll talk to you about how to recognize Gemini’s influence in your body and behaviors, and offer some somatic resourcing for working with Gemini’s tendency to overthink, compare and get distracted. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Gemini season (May 21-June 21), and also a great energy to check in with at any point. Get the Gemini Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today!

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Everybody I'm being they're saying and I would like to introduce our panel to my left. We have German roll. Hey, thanks for checking us out and two other to my far left we have and as you can see we have a very special another special guest in the building if you guys remember Camellia, I'm sure you do. Once I'm gonna is good to have you feeling it for Jimmy and Jimmy's not here today. But you know Camille, you should be taking good care of us. Shout out to Jimmy. We thank you guys for having me. Yes, of course come back to be. Yeah, definitely and joining us via Skype from New York. He plays Joe Proctor, please welcome the one and only Jennifer are ya. Hey, so speaking of the theme song So Jerry, let's ask you do you have a preference? Did you like the original version? Do you like the remix? What's your opinion? Look, I mean the original You know kind of part of the reason why I got hooks. I mean, it's just kind of draws you in I don't have any problems with the remix and remixes great. I'm going to face to go back and revisit the original it was nice this episode 3 to hear that again. You said that oh so smoothly. That was so cool. Okay. So before we get into your storyline and what happened in last night's episode, I would like just a little bit of the back story between Proctor and execs wife Lindsay because I do wonder you know, there's this whole thing of did Proctor sent Lindsay up. I'm more inclined to think that they were married they partied and did drugs maybe recreational and then maybe she got hooked and then once she was becoming addictive then you have to kind of step in and you have to take custody of your child. But what is the actual? Story between John Proctor and Lindsay so as was pitched to me now. This is you know, quite a few years ago. When I first came onto the show by Courtney Kemp to show Creator, they were married as his ex-wife and obviously never little girl together and similarly what you said there was some partying although she was probably partying a lot harder than he was when things started to go south. He didn't necessarily took his daughter went to clean up your act. That was almost his a way of keeping his daughter by keeping her a mess and kind of still using that was kind of a bad negotiating ploy to keep custody of his daughter. So her cleaning up her act and starting to get her life together is sort of a bad a bad Vibe for Joe Proctor because he's now that much closer to sharing custody and maybe even losing custody down the road. Okay. Okay. So you just admitted. Basically you have some shady ways in the past. I don't think it's a big secret anymore. Then he doesn't know where the lines are likely love what side good or bad at the key looks at everybody as both good and bad all the same time and I don't think he respects some of the federal prosecutors that are coming at him on the other side of the courtroom. Yeah, you know, it's funny many times. I think we've said in the studio that we would like Proctor as our attorney. Right, I mean real life. Seriously. Yeah - the booger sugar, you know, we would like Proctor and and I think especially now that the wife is getting clean. We're starting to see where the daughter stands because in this episode. We got to hear from her will kind of she broke down crying but this whole time we were assuming that she wanted to be with her father only but technically it just I mean the way the mom the way Lindsay did it she was it was enticing. Hey we get together. Her nails done. I don't feel like she felt like she was picking sides. I felt like she was like, oh God. I'm a like, I don't know what the hell to do. Yeah. She broke down start crying. So I wouldn't say she's necessarily in favor of her mom. She would just put in a situation where she saw Mommy Daddy. She saw the the the the the judge and she know they had to do. I mean what I remember from that also watching it back talking about it when we first come in and we see my daughter, you know, it's also the first time you kind of see my wife and she is a mess. So if anything what I read from that too was like the daughter was a little scared maybe to possibly be spending that much time with her mom because she only knows her mom is kind of a mess. So it's probably unsafe situation for her. But it's still her mom. You know, I think if she's such a wonderful actress Natalia is her name and she's just like those scenes pulling your heart here. You see will tenure 11 year old girl crying. It's like, oh it's on you go. Stay with your mom for a little while. Yeah what I find interesting. I really like Proctor and Lindsay's relationship because as I've mentioned before that, you know, the one of the themes of the show was really is this power struggle between both between ghost and Tasha so now that Lindsay's back into the picture. She's gotten clean now there is a there's a power struggle between the two and now we're Lindsay's trying to do is she's trying to use her leverage because she knows she was married to Proctor's so she knows all this dirt and then on top of that then you then you add in all of the things that Joe Proctor is affiliated with and now possibly the tides can turn and so what do you guys think about that? That was Lindsay might get an upper hand like Lindsey now is using her power positions. He picked the wrong side. And so we got to think long game because Proctor is in the middle of all of this. He's in the middle of Tommy's Shenanigans. He's in middle of ghost Shenanigans. Remember Proctor help clean up a dead body out of his own apartment. So he so long game. It might not be in the in the worst interest for his ex-wife to get clean because it Proctor go down who gone Get that's a good thing. That's a great point. But heard her objective is I feel like Lindsay's objective is to is to pull and get the child herself, which is why she's doing this because she knows that his past and then on top of that if you add on to the fact that he did clean up the body he has the he has a situations that the he has a laptop. I feel like I'm sorry. So Jerry, so let me just explain I have this I have this desire to want to kill people off on the show I so So it was also I think with lazy I think with Lindsey now trying to play her position. I think she can possibly get you. I'm not you. I feel like she can possibly get Proctor and Cooper killed and then she takes he's killing you all he has full she gets full custody, and she and she goes off. I mean he's not killing its power. Everybody's life is on the line every episode. You just don't know what's going to happen. Who's going to get it from who from where it's it's kind of what makes the show intoxicating because sometimes it's people you love sometimes it's people you love rooting against so you just don't know. Those are some good theories. Those it really interesting question because we've been you know, really just trying to pick apart the scene where you hide the laptop the laptop everybody wants to know about the The laptop now, can we just forget about it? Or is it really going to make an appearance back on the show? Well, listen judging from the reaction I get in the streets walking around my neighborhood. No one forgetting about it people don't have for me from blocks away. Like you better get ready. Yeah, there's some interesting stuff on that laptop. And you know, it's just it's good I say here. I'm going to look at certainly out there. The laptop is still out there. Like I don't know. Maybe we'll see what happens with him. It's getting hot. I mean I know why he did that, but I just wanted to just throw that out there that Proctor chose to give the information to. Me and not goes. Well, he gave it to me give it to you both showed up to both right? I thought he gave it only to ghost. I'm sorry. I thought he only gave him a Shinto Tommy. He was like, I don't know what you guys are gonna have to tune in and get more pieces of information as to what getting a little spoiler. He's in here to Tommy because only because He knows that Tommy is itching to kill him. So anything that Tommy wants from Proctor practic Proctor technically has to follow the order of Tommy being that Tommy wants to kill him. But what does it say about the fact that goes actually showed up at the same location with his own plan doesn't that say that he also have the same information that Tommy did I guess who was the person who text old boy with the with the cup of water? That was the other question is we compute the Terrace and who takes old boy was the one who got the information from old boy. Inside source in the other person got it from Proctor. Okay. I think I think that I don't know you clear this up here and have that information to text the guy because remember Tommy Tommy said oh and what's your boy like you're connecting your inside connect because we're going to need that too. So I'm a because he's gonna have to run they said something about him. Yeah and him to leave after that happened. So but then also another another question in regards to that is how the hell did Ghost think that he was going to pull this off by himself going solo. Whoa, but that's something that we'll talk about more. But let's let's let's get more. Let's get more into to Jerry. So any other questions about his character before we go into some other stuff. What did you want to say something Jerry? You look like you were on the brink of saying something. No, I want to say is like if Proctor did tell Tommy and he looks to be a lot of advantages to that. If you did do that, you know, you're also may be sending him into a dangerous situation to help out. There is very uncomfortable around Tommy as we all groan see so I think it's possible. He shared it with Tommy and he goes gotta somewhere else and maybe told both of them. Okay? Okay. Yeah. All right. Go ahead Pam. So outside of outside of power. We want to do this as some some other questions about some of the things that you have going on my front. My first question is, you know, once everyone knows that Jerry was on Entourage and he play Turtle. If you don't know that then, you know, you're under around a rock, but when went Entourage started To take off and this show became such a part of Pop Culture. Were you worried as an actor that you are not possibly that you are possibly going to be Typecast and people would only see you as Turtle before obviously you started to do other movies and and UB and you became this and you got this role, but did it ever did you ever have a like a fear about it? I mean absolutely only because to it's kind of what you you know growing up doing this at a rather young age of my starting off like 18 years old. It's something you constantly hear about. So it was always in the back of I think all of our minds especially, you know, if you go back onto our started in 2004, you know, so back then too if you kind of did TV, you only really see these if you did movies you only really did movies in the to didn't really cross over when I you you know, Up to 15 years later. I mean you have movie started doing TV shows. You have TV stars doing movies and somewhere some guys and girls are doing both and everything in podcast. So like all those old school kind of typecasting rules that they have been thrown out the window. I picked it. If you're a lazy person who kind of likes to relax on what you have done in the past. It could pretty much more dangerous threat. I think if you're motivated and you enjoy what you do, and I think that there's a lot of Opportunity to show people, you know, what you could do power when it first started from me was you know, a couple of episodes and Kourtney Kim told me she had plans for the character, but I didn't know so not that I took a big risk, but it was a chance for me to show a different side and look what it led to him five years later. You know, I found myself on a show that I mean, we just had the premiere Madison Square Garden 13,000 people. I don't think I'll ever I don't think anyone will ever see anything like that again for a TV show. Yeah. Powerful, it is viewed like that like a sporting event people were cheering booing screaming like it just it makes people emotional. I don't know what it is. But so and I guess also is typecasting really was a thing and look I get you did is put a sort of happened to me twice. So isn't that kind of disproved that theory? It shouldn't really happen again. It only happened once how tall you are so that you cut to 15 years later. I'll walk down one street. People are screaming Turtle. I'll cross over. Her go around the block people were screaming Proctor and they don't even know about each other kind of cool. How did you get the part for the for Proctor? That's a good story. So I had a meeting with Courtney Camp way back in season one and I think before season one started shooting, but I had read the pilot and I think they're already picked up to go to the theater and they were talking about a different role and for some reason happen like scheduling lies, but She said she gave me the old line of like all right. Well, I want to work with you. I'm going to write something for you one day and it's like I mean, I've heard that quite quite often in my career and really does that ever come to be and sure enough and you know, I watch all of season one and power and I'm like, oh great. Yeah, of course the show's awesome. Like I could have been on this show and didn't work out. She called the year later. She said, hey, I wrote this role. It's for the criminal defense attorney for ghosts. He hires you to go. Tommy it's not a whole lot of stuff in season 2 but it's going somewhere and she weighed out this plan. And I said great. Can you send me a seeing and she sent me over like two scenes that were of you know, her Courtney level awesome because if in I got on the plane I flew to New York. I was shooting like two days later and again, you cut the five years from then I mean, it's just it's just been a wild wild ride. I am so happy that I was a part of the show. I really do think it's a Ciao, it is. So so Jerry, if you don't know we actually have a live chat going on in YouTube on every of our episodes and the fans are watching right now. They're very excited to talk to you and ask you questions and I have a couple of good ones and I'm sorry. I cannot pronounce this name, but it's the PO IUI 98 says could Turtle your character from Entourage survive in the world of power. Oh, that's a good question. You know what I think so, I think Turtle has some hustle in him. I mean I don't know. If you would have made it to the end of the he would have survived a long time. I don't know if Turtle would have made it to the very very end because he might have just smoked too much weed and got that's good. I have one more question and this is from original 24 that said is there a real-life lawyer that you studied or spoke to for this role? And if so what advice or piece of information helped you the most? Prepare for this role. That's a really good question. I didn't even get the chance to speak to anybody. But I'm one of the things that Kourtney and I bonded over when she was also telling me about the character was real shit. I grew up in Brooklyn and we had some similar interests and she reminded me of way back in like the late 80s early 90s obviously about to bring up name from there. But John Gotti, you know when you know the Teflon Don and they called him is constantly beating charges from the government. He had a Bruce Cutler, I think his name was who was very theatrical in the courtroom. Like when he was defending his clients. It was like theater to this guy. He was big over-the-top. He was a bully with a big guy. She kind of use that as like an early example. And so anytime I was in those courtroom scenes. I just tried to be as big and over-the-top and you know, if it's a witness said something I didn't like it was like I would really just look horribly offended. Yeah, those things which are always very tricky became like theater for me. So that's a good question old-school. You know, my attorneys back in the 80s where people will be looked at. I have two questions. You mentioned you mentioned earlier when you when I asked you about the casting process and how you got the role and how there was a different role that didn't work out after be nosy because I've we found out that a lot of actors auditioning for different roles, but wound up getting something else. Like like Shane Johnson went out for Tommy, but then he wound up getting the Cooper Saxe row. So I have to be nosy. What was the role that you can get? Um, that's a good question. I'm gonna have to get back to you. I'm really gonna have to ask Courtney because I'm John maybe it wasn't even about a specific role in might have been more of a general meeting. Like I'll find something for you in this show me it was you know, we're going back now this that was like seven years ago will old and sleep deprived. Because we have a four month old sleeping in the other room with doesn't like to sleep too much if it comes to me, I'll spit it out before. He was always Proctor with Proctor wasn't around and season one. So maybe she was going to bring Proctor in and see them what I don't know, please. Yeah, I'll get back to you. There's another question that someone asked on Instagram at flavor fat flavor Flex. He wants to know has Doug Allan. Talk to you about a sequel to entourage. No, I mean I think like jokingly maybe every now and then like well, well, he'll say something like I like will see something in the news and maybe we'll he was like, oh I'm right about this will do it in the sequel. But I mean we've all gotten up there age-wise, you know, I don't think we can all be living together all in our 40s and and some even older, you know, I think we had such a good run without her eyes eight years and a movie almost a hundred episodes. Like I think we really did. Everything we could have possibly done with those characters. I mean, I wouldn't say no because I love those guys and it will be a great opportunity just to hang out with them and kind of do like the reunions tour, but I really think we I think we did all that we could do with those characters. We had a great run. So I think it's I think everybody's kind of like, yeah, we did it. Well now let it let it live on Let it go Let it go rest a little now. This is not a trick question, but I have to ask so what's next? next for Jerry It's not a trick question, but it is a tricky question. I do have a show that I am producing with Courtney Camp. I know I've brought her up a bunch of times and I choose just one of my favorite writers of all time. So her a nice only show to HBO and she's in the writing process right now and like the thick of it doing what she does and obviously there are steps that have to go to make sure that gets on the air but going off her track record. I think it stands a really good shot kind of set in the I'll divide police corruption in New York. So, you know, she's going to bringing, you know, she's going to bring it. So yeah, hopefully that would be the next thing which we would find out about real soon. But it's the life of an actor man. I've had a great job for five years and then you know, it's over now. So it's like oh, I really got to go. I got to get out there and clean myself up and look again. The good news about this is Southern offer a few months. My son was born four months ago. So I really Got a chance to spend a lot of time with him in these early days. So I think you know if I found myself on another show again working 50 60 hours. I'm going to like look back at this time of I really got four awesome months with him before like I'm like, I'm just a stay-at-home dad right now and I love I wish I could do just this great congratu congratulations as well. As you are still considered a newlywed, right? So congratulations to you and your wife. Yeah, actually, I mean two years. I mean it's flown by but she is definitely the better half as oh, yeah, dude, look at my Instagram you could tell she's the better half of this race. Yeah. Well we want to thank you so much. It was a pleasure that a couple of times that we've met you at a different screenings and stuff for for power and you were always so nice and you you know, you took photographs with us you sap you stopped and you chatted with us and we want to thank you so much because we love character and we love the work that you do and we're just we're really grateful that you have the time to stop and chat with us. Well, I want to take a couple of seconds and thank you guys. Thank all the power fans like everybody who's a part of the power Universe, you know going into this last season everybody knew we have to deliver on this final season because the amount of love and respect and also just like Jen you enjoy watching this show that I've seen from the people who thoroughly enjoy it. It's I've really never seen anything like it. It's been the best part of the job. So I think everybody out there listening I beg you guys I call that coldest stuff matters a lot when getting the word out about the show and I think after six years now, it's really I mean we're looking at it now. I really do think it's it's a historic shown that people be talking about for a long time. Even after it's gone. Yeah. Yeah and we agree. Yeah. Well, thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, wow. Nice so much fun so much fun that the chat wouldn't but now we got to get going before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download Old episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. All right, so drains back agent Donovan's Dad. Okay. So what are your thoughts on Drake Hill and agent Donovan after particular rights a business? So what's your thoughts on that? Some people thought that that was messed up for Dre. Did I say no, but you know, it is messed up but he is a gangster we know that from he's a street dude. And so if you're thinking from the mind of a street dude, he's like I have an opportunity right now to get out of here and not testify. So if you're looking at it from that vantage point you can see and understand why he did that. But yeah, I was like Dre your Buster for that like that ain't cool. Like he just took a bullet for you trying to save you and your daughter right but I can understand why he did that as well was in his arms. She she I saw him shoot the gun and was like, what's happening here? Hello, come here blood. So really quickly. Shout out to 50 in his first directorial debut. Yeah. I think he did a great job on this episode. Okay? Yeah, that's right direction and the script are two separate things. Okay. Why it was necessary for Donovan to die is Dre's history. Dude. He does not like cops and then on top of that the fact that he couldn't safely get him to where he needed to be. You can't you the all of the agents in the task force? It's like the Real Housewives of New York. They gossip every nobody can ever keep a secret. No one could ever keep a secret. So so Cooper didn't know he found out through the dude who was messing with Angela last. Anyway, yeah events happy opium. And so now they are just a couple minutes away. And now all of a sudden everybody comes, you know, after Dre like there's too many leaks Dre had to kill him go about his business and then on top of that you wouldn't sold the man by telling them that he's a awful daddy the look on his face when he told him when he questioned something about him. And then the the looked at Jay gave him like are you real? Seriously? You got any wasn't very good. I've no no, he's not. No he's not but you know, but a person's ego is Is everything so I felt that it was necessary for frame to go but I mean, you know, I like Tai ya Tai is a good dude. So I mean sorry to see him go but I know he Utah He's consistently working and doing all that stuff. So, you know, he'll be he'll be good. Okay, so Cooper Saxe and Blanca and dry so Cooper Saxe I put his he's a puts, you know, I think Dre will probably kill Cooper before someone kills them. He's made it. He's made a completely per personal and Blanca blase about Blanca basically gave the full. I'm down to what she thinks happened. She's right as rain and Cooper's like no goes. Did it talk? She's right except for the fact that she still believes that ghost killed Angela but as far as the breakdown of it and she was she gets she said what the alternate scenario is, but I mean, I don't think I think out of all of these people I think Cooper going to be one of the last men standing I think so to think I drank getting out and him having this now internal beef with Ray has anything to do with that Cooper has been consistently the only one One who has played each and every side successfully. So for that reason alone, I think Cooper is going to last to the end now who they think is going to who they think actually kill Angela will see but I don't think Dre getting out and him having that stand down with Cooper's gonna do anything for Cooper. Okay. I got bigger fish to fry. We're worried about our the street. Really really really. Yeah, seriously, so Tasha to read ghost in the Next Generation who so Amelia I mean if we what we know about PowerBook to is factual and we're all assuming because we haven't really heard much it is see, it does seem like it's set up for this new regime to be the continuation of would get already started. However, I just got a problem with that little white boy being Tommy if that's what you want. But you also have to remember that Tommy just didn't wake up and all of a sudden become this hook this who Adam This Hood do because you have to remember ghost taught him everything he used to get beat up. He got totally not my thing. He protected him and also, I don't know how this is going to sound but a white person surrounded himself by black people It's A build-up for you to become but he did choke like I hear you but what time he got beat up. He was in work. I think I'll be interested interested to see That character the new Tommy if he's the new Tommy at all because he could just be this little pond. Maybe he's setting up to read maybe he's going to give him some connector something that he needs and then disappear. He has I feel like he has a lot of Tommy weighs about him. He's very impulsive like I like I see I see some similarities with them. And then also when you think about when when I don't know just Tommy jr. I don't know if I don't know his name is I'm sorry, but a little below Junior solo jr. Brings his rich. White friends in and go to Junior Tariq basically has the check him on the things. Let's be real. Tommy's not a boss. Right? So ghost teaches them everything and prior to their to their to their breakup goes as always having to to play that big brother checking him about the things that he needs to do. So I I mean I can see it to me. I trust that it wouldn't be that obvious by getting a part of me is like, I hope it wouldn't This writing like this. It'll tell me this even though that's what it that that is what it is. I believe and I think all of the internet has caught on and said that but I don't think it's as obvious as like he's got to have exactly what time he has like every single trade. I don't think it's gotta be that obvious. We just kind of see it for what it is like yeah makes sense. What's your take on Tasha Junior on Fe Fe? So Fe is either the feds plant or or when she was talking about how her brother was killed not too long ago. It got me started to thinking like is her brother was her brother. The one that Ray Ray shot like was here because she's always asking about the connect and that makes me concerned because why are you this girl that was so anti the streets and what that represented maybe it had it's because of her brother's death always wanting to know where the drugs are coming from. Why are you that curious? But then I'm also wondering on the flip side is her brother somehow connected to Ray Ray or those licks that they were doing. Is that who we got shot? You know what and that could be? Jew. I just don't know that they have time to do all of that in this season, right? Like that's why season that's why PowerBook to yeah. I mean like it could do. No Mighty explore. Yeah, maybe maybe I just think that is going a different route. I think that she wants to know the game. She wants the sort of like Tasha. I mean, hey, we're doing all the comparisons here. I think it's kind of like that. Like, let me ask questions because I want to be in on this I want to you know be with With you on this and Tasha new to connect exactly staying consistent with who their mom cared. Yeah, Tasha new to connect Tasha knew how to businesses ran. She knew she knew who ran each set. She knew everything she knew how to clean the money and also and also feel that because they got rid of Canaan pills all in one day, but it's possible. It's possible because you know, but it's possible so they got rid of all the drugs and now he has no he has no connect he has No access to the drugs and now she possibly I mean, I don't know what part of New York she's from but she possibly might know that can she might she might be the connect to the drugs and the connected to reeks heart. I think that's I think the Kinect is Tommy cause Tommy people they don't show us things for no reason and the fact that Tommy took Lala or Tasha Keisha to the warehouse and told her specifically all of the drugs that eventually Tariq in his roommate and baby Tasha were talking about I didn't see that as a coincidence because they have everything that they're selling that they need and they need some more Outlets. They need more Outlets exactly. So so read Allah says I don't trust Fe do we all agree there or do you got I don't do this because I don't know if it's I don't know if it's the writing but to go from self-righteous to to desperate in two minutes to me. I don't know if I don't want to blame it on the writing or but that's what they told us about Tasha Tasha was going to accounting School. She was she was about her business true. She was in the car with ghosts that got pulled over and she hid the gun for ghost. It wasn't him pressuring her. It wasn't nothing. No, Switcheroo. It was her being like okay. I'm just gonna be done right you don't forget accounts to speaking of Tasha and ghost. Forget it speaking of touching goes really quick. So so Tasha, it feels underappreciated. So she's at the new apartment to wreak is not feeling the vibe. She's pissed and then he puts the money on the table. She's like where you get this from to realize and says that it's from from Canaan and then right as she's getting ready to go off and reveal the information which I keep saying just tell the boy but ghost knocks on the door and now all of a sudden because there's a power struggle between the two of them. They got a butt heads and they completely forget that she felt completely forgets that Tariq has a lot of money on the table to offer her. Thoughts have no. All right, so hit it go to unfold. I think I some point in time. Let's talk about Tommy and ghosts. But Forest Split Second. I do want to talk about Tommy and his interactions with Lakeisha and this whole thing. It just bothers me it everything in me says this is wrong. I don't like how it's going down like them getting out the car and he's got this super key goes around opens her door. She steps out my even her best Beyonce. From the diva. She is completely late from head to toe but you know, what was the first thing she said, please please no to come together. The first thing she said is I don't know if I'm ready for all this time me, of course is our first thing out of her mouth. Yeah, we know this is so it's like this the it just doesn't belong I don't like that. He's bringing her in and she's very reluctant to do so she does it obviously with the whole scene at the court, but I don't like that but She's toast. Yes Keisha cells and we're changes. She possibly because I wonder if she a snitch or will she become a snitch that makes four toes too. I don't think she's I think she's really trying to just be down for Tommy. I think it of course. I don't think this one is going to end well, but I think the problem is she's chasing. She still chasing Tasha. These are all of the things that Tasha has done. Yeah. So the fact that she wants the bag she want that lifestyle. She want to be Tasha and ghost so bad to the point where that's she's like, I'll do it. I'll do it. Were you want yeah fortunately now she's talking about she go clean the money at the hair salon. So yeah, and he's trusting her to do that. How do you know she knows how to do it correctly, but you like books but you also have to remember Tommy like I always say at Tommy's not a boss boss why he has his whole goon squad around him and he does not know how to he doesn't know. He doesn't have the boy goes has so he is so because he knows how to he's basically controlling. He's basically controlling Keisha, but you also have to remember for everybody that gets with Tommy dies indeed. Yeah, he's he's controlling her but he's using Tasha's information to control her but he's using Keisha like I he's playing both of you. He's actually playing both of them. Like you can hear what he says to to Keisha. He's like, yeah fuck that, you know what I'm saying? And then to to Tasha he's saying another thing about like, yeah, he's just got to get on board like, you know or whatever. He's playing both of them, which I guess is smart. Maybe he learned that from Ghost. He learned a little bit of street, but there's a scene that Powerful scene that we could talk about. I know we're skipping around but guys we're running late on time. So I'm just going to jump to it. We also we know that Jason said both of them up to deliver Alicia Jimenez, right? Yes. Well ghost thought it was really smart and I actually think that this might come to fruition at some point where he thought it was smart to call Tommy and say, you know, let's take out. Let's cut our losses Hojo. Yeah. I think that that it was a smart move on his for him to do. There's something else that I wanted to point out. Did you guys notice when that phone call happened the the complete contrast between the two of them ghost has a nice refreshing beverage or drink in his hand and he's got the city life going on. It's the good boy status. It's like, you know the money it represents the business the clean life and then he's calling Tommy who is at the he's that beautiful scene. I don't know where it is like under the bridge or something where you're overlooking the city. It just represents Street. Yeah, it's all the contrast between between the two of them. I just thought was beautifully shot. And you know, I guess we got to give it to 50 on that. So do you guys think that ultimately that's because I think the fans really miss that you know, the two of them together riding for something like that. Do you think it'll happen that way? I think I think ghosts will eventually have to kill Jason by himself. And then once he kills you Jason, you know, Tommy then doesn't have a distro. So then will he go to his daddy side of the people the Italians so that's going to force Tommy to have to figure something else out because he refuses to have to work with ghosts. So and because the two of them are or in this contest, you know ghost is a smarter one. And you know, when you do dirt by yourself, you tend not to get caught. I just have a feeling that at the end of the day. Yes, they're upset with each other to the point where they try to kill each other but when you ask possibly ghost, not Tommy either Jason or Tommy killed either one he's going to kill you. Jason so I don't necessarily think I think one I think the Redemption is going to come not by force but just by sheer nature of their relationship so I wouldn't be surprised if a if a ghost killed Jason because he was trying to save Tommy or something of that Dynamic hear them coming together. And at this point to me, it's too soon. Someone goes called him and said let's do this together. I was I was like, well, we only on episode three. Yeah. I need to be for a little longer try to kill more time. I can't canoes do we all agree that the kidnapping scene was garbage? Yes trash unrealistic. Try it have a ghost in his little dad cap coming in by yourself. What you going to do? What was shaking with your screwdriver? And you know, I just let me have the better plan. And I wish we knew what his plan was but and see that's my thing. I don't know if ghosts necessarily have to plan. I think that ghost was probably just going to get Alicia kill her go back to Jason gonna get her out though. You're in a federal building we can't and that's not what Jason wanted. He wanted. He wanted her delivered. I know that but yeah ghost does is not necessarily trying to take orders from him in that type of way because he's trying to get goes to be a part of the game of the of the drug thing and ghost is not having it. I don't know what Was he going to put like a tiger up in the van? That's what we'd ever know. We'll never know you seem like that was the point of the scene to show for once she had the better plan exactly that guy thought he was going to really do some damage and write C and that I'll be there when they cross paths and Ghost with the time and he kind of looked at him like oh shit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Back to his teresi roots. Remember they were going to start an ambulance company together. Oh, okay. Okay, but super quickly. Did you see like that was actually something that Tommy pointed out to ghost. He said that's why you lost because you don't have anybody like you ain't got nobody. So I mean, I was like a directing that we all feel he did but he didn't he also mentioned that when go says that you basically that you need me or that I'm better than you. Yeah goes all Tommy also acknowledge that but then turned it around with as you say. Said yeah. Yeah anything else? No, let's let's let's move on. Okay hit it. Councilman Tate Cassandra. This is gonna be good. First of all, happy birthday Lorenz tell ya that we got the birthday treat the maybe maybe not depending upon how fast because they're driving take it Cassandra and date having that little Affair that sex thing was rather extended know and a lot of conversation during it, but you know, sexy made me uncomfortable. It did I was like it ain't nothing sexy about this act in my opinion why they did that because all of a sudden councilman Frankie Lymon went from being counseling Frankie Lymon to bring it out his older counseling like he loves to different people and I feel like they stretching out these violent scenes are these sexual scenes to show us like, oh no this this is who he is. He's in the street. With his wife what in the it's crazy and then let's talk about really quickly her telling her husband. Well, he apologized and and pooh-poohing him. Clearly. You are just a speed bump and she has higher aspiration. I mean completely you can read you can see the subject. So Cassandra obviously is married to to Derek. He's kind of like a Cyrus beene. So she's using him to power its power position. She's quiet. With him for four for a better game. She said to him this campaign is bigger than you so much bigger than you so she has ulterior motives and she's with anything. She know she's weird simply for that. Yeah, but the only fired now you have the other DNC lady Ramona Ramona Ramona Garrity who comes into the place and now she and ghost has some type of thing and now ghost is going to f her in order to control. Hey, you know how you know so we can see it. Yeah. Well, maybe it's just not that deep maybe power riders know that we like sex on Power and they got to have some Do it. There's your answer is yes, let's not those feelings. You gotta understand. Hey does anybody Miss Angie really quick? Do we feel that? She's missing he's so I miss Angela being the root of the drama. I don't miss her. But now that she gone I'm like, well then now who's going to cause trouble? All right. Okay fair enough. Anything else? Okay. Wait, so regarding Ramona in tape, what do we know about that? We know that she works for the DNC her husband was what a member of congress senate something like that cheated with some hookers and some video and she's a little bitter but she is a for whatever reason it sounds like the DNC would like him to be Governor. Yes. So do we do you think based off of the conversation that they were having when it was Ramona tape and Tasha at the dinner table? Power published go ahead. Yeah the struggle right power struggle. Okay. So do we think that there's anything there's a path between Ramona in councilman tape? I don't know. I think that you think so, I think so. I think something might come of it. What was the line that was said notes. Don't fail me. Basically she was talking about when your past like being something going wrong with your past, but it creates opportunities and she looked directly at Tate. Eight and it was something that they knew between its two of them and then Tasha caught it she was looking at both of them like he was going on she did. Yeah, so I think that there's something there that we just don't know about that will possibly come up and that could be something that may be a power struggle between Tate and ghosts because he's going to be smashing her and maybe Tate had already smashed. I don't know but I also think that that Ramona clearly runs she runs in control State and and once that once goes comes into the picture I think is going to cause division between the two. Yeah. Sorry just to year 200 your question Jill if we miss Angela and Angel was that no one cares about Angela. Don't miss that bony chick at all. Okay. Is there anything else it would not be fun for your mama to run the daycare by herself a great way to clean money Tasha would you know seeing that cash flow in there that was Be interesting. Mom. You need to get a job to not depend on your daughter and extract dealer husband again. Yeah, but now it's clear all the things that she's ever said to Tasha in the past what she's making it very clear. Now. This is why she felt like Tasha needs to work it out because she wouldn't have to work either. Right? Well, yeah and be babysitting and eventually eventually she's going to get on board with this because when Tasha presents to her that this is a financial gain, she's going to be completely with it. Yeah I passed away. Okay, so so what's up Camellia? Are you doing fantastic? Okay, so we have this new segment where we have top moments of the AfterBuzz power after show past six seasons past six seasons. And so now let's drop this clip for this week's top moment Colby's of the week for episode 9 of season 2 of Power goes to Canaan. Obviously. I don't think anybody is in disagreement with this and I made a list of the things that came in was a piece of shit for he was terrorizing the community soon. He got out of prison with that Pelle Pelle coat on sneakers in the whole situation with her popping up on Tasha like some dude. That's it. The hey you text everything you have on your cell phone here that he disappeared and came back on the Chinatown Bus cold he cut dry Springs tongue out. He shattered raised poor little dreams about getting off the block. He killed his own son. He killed his own son after sending them out to kill ghosts. Because like Sean said you just a bitter old Thug and and now Dre you gonna get the cold pizza it because you still hanging with dude, he's gonna kill you too. So let us know online. So for Old Times Sake drop us with this week's cold piece of the week Lord. Three copies in a week for power season 6 episode 3 goes to Dre's daughter Dre's daughter survived an ambush. She's survived a federal raid. She got another black man. She got another brother's blood Splash on her face peek over the hood and was like all of this. She ended up on scape. The train station where she just moseying along they talking about spelling words and her first day of kindergarten. So for that reason, I would like to give cold piece of the week to Dre's daughter who I just found out her name is heaven the character. So shout out to heaven for being scorned and battered and eating therapy for the rest of our lives without shedding a tear what exactly I know what people talk about. She said to tears after after the first shootout and then once Then once they took the baby she let out to cries and then when Dre killed Donovan nothing, hey, she's a Baby G right now this child. So now let's go into predictions your AfterBuzz TV predictions will start it out. Bam. You always go Lassie barks Okay, so I've said many times before that take a dice. Would you like to know why I heard that he dies. Okay. Okay. So if you don't want to hear this just mute it and then when you see me the throw the thumbs up then you can turn me back up. Okay. So when we were in New York when you guys when I was waiting for you guys to come downstairs after you guys are doing a red carpet. I talked to this guy who was a background actor background actor. And he said that he did some show called Power at the time. He didn't know what the show was that he was asked to do this role and the scene and the scene that he shot was spoiler alert was some counsel some council person that got shot and they and there was a there was a reporter the scene was a reporter was reporting the death outside of some Club. So I think that is obviously take but as far as who killed take I think it could be Derek the husband once he finds out once he finds out kitty. Yeah, once he finds out because Tate already beat his ass and now you have a nice girl. Mmm-hmm. But I've always thought okay back up. So I've always thought that team was going to die. But as far as who kills them, I think it's now I think it's Derek interesting and then I'll leave I have plenty more but that's a hell of a prediction. But what if it's ghost because because I think it could be ghosts because as you said the the whole now, he's becoming a politician and so I think it would be really cool. If one more prediction. I think it would be really cool. If everybody died except for Ghost and Tasha and then they get back to the need to die, but they get back together Tasha obviously realizes that that life is not what it's about the two of them stay together, but then Tariq decides nah, I'm cool. I'm standing this drug life and now they have to deal with their son but ghosts. Eyes at the end of the seat at series is my opinion. All right, I'm done. I'ma let everybody else go. I'll skip my predictions I gave him kind of early. Okay? Yeah, and I said one of mine, I definitely think that Ramona is going to be the new love interest and she could possibly be somewhat of what gets involved between Tate and ghost but they have so much more to be, you know at odds about and then I do want to say that ghost and Tommy will partner up we've seen it before and maybe it's old but I mean, maybe it's just something in me that wants that to happen. So imma leave it there. For my predictions, I actually think councilman Frankie Lymon will continue on and be one of the anchors in the new show because I don't see them stretching out this character this this past season and showing us who he used to be keep mentioning this Damocles child project. Yeah and just leaving it be there has to be some element of raina's legacy and that left for me and my son to carry. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So I feel like that he is going to be one of the players in the next one. I think it's the front the very end. I think all of them have to die. Especially I think Tommy might go to jail because he ain't snitching on nobody. He's already said that and I think ghost has to die. Actually think Tariq will kill ghost. Yeah. That's what I think too. Oh, I don't like it. I don't like it was foreshadowing in that when ghost told him in the like with the fake Hector he gave them every year I have goes to you just then and and because because came and killed his son now to keep yeah, and then there was another foreshadowing moment when Alicia told Jason, right? Where she was killed which was a very awesome gruesome killing by the way, but she said whoever did this to me will betray you too. So that's the same time as Pink Suit. Yeah, so that would leave Tommy. That's who she's talking about. So maybe you have it we wrap. No I did I did. Yeah, it's so hard to just really quick. It's so hard to figure out who you think is going to die because Courtney they all got production deals with the network. So it's like you don't know if there's a There's a there's a spin-off. Are they going to do a prequel they have so many deals. It's kind of hard to figure out who you think is going to die. And then who yeah want to continue. I think everybody has some point is just going to die. Yes history show and it's true to the streets. They have that. Yeah, that's it. Yep Camellia let everybody know what you've been up to and where you could be found. Well, you can find me across the R2 X Camellia on social media that's Twitter Instagram and Facebook. You can check me out. I got shows if you're in the LA area coming up at Camellia.com. That's like any and Ophelia and also still got the podcast happy hour. Make sure you guys check us out on iTunes and all apps or podcast can be heard at happy hour a shot of conversation and we miss Cornelia. Thank you so much for being back here today. You can catch me at Robin airs on all of my social media platforms catch some of my my dope quo. Out there on my Instagram page. She has a lobby lobby land nuggets evangelist. But also you guys can check us out at Power after plug on Instagram as well. I'm Jill Munroe hit me up at stiletto Jill shut out to Camellia for coming in and blessing us with her presence. I know you guys are happy about that. And yeah, that's the Little Joe everywhere and you can find me on all social media at BAM barracks and thank you to our code. Thank you to Camellia who stepped in for Jimmy if you don't know. No it go back and watch some of the old Power after shows. But Camellia was a part of season two three seasons two and three and we went also thank our special guest Gerry Ferraro plays Joe Proctor and next week. Yeah Avery Mason who plays Black Grimace will be joining us so you can't wait to talk to him because I want to miss that he only got one kidney. You need to find out about this kidney, brother. 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What is up? Everybody at stuff? I left thank you so much for tuning into just talking today. I am so stoked for this amazing s that I have today Sarah Foley who is just seriously like beyond amazing. I would just have chills right now. Just looking at her beautiful face. Just talking with her. I met her at Tony Robbins. We were there just let three weeks ago. It wasn't that long ago and like not long ago, like her energy literally just pulled me towards her. I was like, I need to know her which will go to that story a little bit too, but she's just so amazing. So she My vertical blonde on Instagram and I'll go ahead and tag all that so you guys can get to know her and follow her because she's amazing and inspiring but her mission is really to create a community of disability icons who are rewriting The Stereotype of what it looks like to live with a disability and it is just a beautiful powerful message. I get like just chills even thinking about it. And so Sarah take it away. Tell us a little bit about you babe. Well, thank you so much for that introduction. I'm so incredibly grateful to be here on your podcast and with you. Yeah, I think it was such a meant to be moment when we met there at upw and we've got our mutual friend Ellie who kind of set the stage I think of you know looking for one another at least. So yeah, you know, it really does sum up what my entire mission is. I was injured now about seven years ago. It'll be seven years in September on the on a four-wheeler and I was that morning. I had gone for a hike with my husband who has been my boy. And of only six months like we were very early phases of dating and we went on top of the mountain and I said have my life just perfect right now. There's nothing about it. I chained and then we went along on four-wheelers a few hours later and through a chain of events. I was going up the hill as he was coming down to let me know that was actually safe our other friend had kind of been on top of the hill saying come on up come on up and so I went out and I froze when I saw him him, I just panicked and he had gone off the like kind of gone off to the side soon as he saw me that if I just went straight over been great, but I went off the trail. I hit a ditch flipped over broke my back and paralyzed me right away. It was instant paralysis and you know, you kind of first of all you go into Fast Forward Motion for your relationship, you know, you get really close really quickly being very ugly sides of life being in there. The hospital but you know, one of the first things that went through my head was all of these horrible stereotype I have about what it looked like to be with a disability and all I'd ever seen was weak and poor and overweight and not attractive definitely not sexy, you know, and they weren't successful and these obviously a very limiting belief and limiting vision of what I had but that's all I've really experienced. I've never been in contact. With someone that was just vibrant and full of life and happen to have a disability as well. And so, you know those thoughts go through your head and they create a pretty ugly reality and you start to almost think into that of what you're supposed to look like if you think okay. Well that's what I'm destined for now. And so, you know life it took a long time to get where I'm at. It took a lot of hard work and you know, and for when people kind of Look At Me movie God baby for you, you're pretty first of all, I think that's bullshit and I guess we're on here all the things. This is just exactly where they're coming from. I understand that so after a lot of hard work about four years of denial, which is there is for Saul solid years of denial there is a big happy face on the outside and I would get home close that door I would actually so I went back to work within 5 months of running us Bob Park City Resort, and I went back to work within five months when really quickly so committed to getting back to reality almost pretending like it didn't happen and I would just get through the day and I would just wait like count down the seconds until Out from my office to the elevator down to the garage into the car door would close and they my eyes would just started bawling absolutely falling. I was just a wreck. I was holding it together and being really strong for my staff for my family trying not to be a burden to people trying to still maintain good looks and things like that, but I was just a wreck on the inside. So the four years ago miles so many people are really just dying inside but we try to pretend so much on the outside of what we think we should be like or how we should be a mic especially this the future traumatic situation just happened to you. You're like, no I'm going to persevere like everything's going to be fine. And I actually been a person to where you like you lied to yourself and you're just like it's fine. It's fine. It's great inside. You're like, holy shit balls like someone please help me like I don't know what to do, but it's so hard to get to that point. We're okay to say like, hey help me a mic you want the help for it? Yeah that you need help but I think that's a really really good point that I've just been going through life knowing that everyone has something that has that hits them as soon as the door closes always and that's what you have to show love and compassion to everybody because you truly don't know what season of Life they're in our what's really going on inside their head or what's going on their heart or what phone call or text. They may have just got and how they're trying to keep face for the world because I have to hold it together for the next. Ten more minutes and then they go break down and it's like what if we just show that love and compassion to people because we've been in those situations too and I think that's when life can really come full circle as the more aware you get of yourself the more where you get of others and how you just you truly do show them love and light versus like any judgment or anything like that, but it takes time to get there. You have to go through your own inner process. So what was that like the four years of dying inside to what decided what was the switch for you where you're like, you know what? Enough's enough. Like I want to be real I want to like Hill and I want to go and like deal with my my wounds and like figure it out because everybody needs to do that. But I think everybody has a different moment in life where they're finally like, okay. I'm ready to do it and do the inner work like the hard work and you have to like take yourself through Harvard of yourself and like get to know you and like what you're really about and Dillon Hill and that's scary and hard is probably scariest thing you'll ever do in your life. But what got you to that point. You know what? It was actually the move to Hawaii. And so what happened was we had actually gone to Maui for My Best Friend's Wedding. And while we were there my husband got offered a job transfer he got off of this job because he was already working for the hotel company. We got a job transfer offer and we went home and we were like third packing up her life and then I got cold feet. I was like if I'm not a saw director, who am I like that was a Stacy That for me, right? He's like he's like you could have light and he's like do physical therapy like, you know, just just because like you don't even have to work just go enjoy yourself. And so we got over there after actually a lot of tugging and pulling on his part, you know, and he's just kept telling me he's like listen to your body when we were in Hawaii, man, my body just felt so good the warmth and the heat and humidity. Everything was just working for me, but Islands really are healing and so I'm pretty sure it really is just feel it and then the healing energy of the ocean and they actually call it Mana here. Mana is the healing energy of the island maaaaan a and so I mean, it's really palpable when you tap into it. So we got over here and you know, we've got our little boy he just turned to at the time and so Which child birth on a very side note was the easiest thing to do when you can't feel the lower house is how and I don't know if I can ask you this, but I'm going to like how is sex like for you if you're willing to talk about that like can't like and then like how was childbirth and being pregnant and stuff too. Like so both of them are very different very very different so childbirth that's kind of the easier conversation. So childbirth is you know, I had had actually a couple false. Arms, and that I'd been in the hospital and they kind of like told me and let me feel within my body. What a contraction would feel like it was just tightness. All I felt was just kind of tightness and release. So in the middle of the night one night, this was he was five weeks early. So I wake up in the middle night 307 and I'm like honey, honey. Like my body feels like really tight weird and like I'll go back to bed. Like they just totally busted almost like and know I think something's going on weird. Different so we flipped on the light and my water had already broken. So we bolted to the hospital. So we woke up at 3:07. We got to the hospital to let us see check my cervix and our eyes pop out of her head. She's like, I like just like test his hair so they got me right back and I was able to lift right out. Yes. My son is talking about compassion and understanding where other people are coming from at 4 years old. Now, it is mind-blowing the awareness he had for their people for how they're feeling. He is so in tune and he's so in tune when people need help. Like if I put has fallen off of my chair Hills like come over and put it back up on the footplate. Like he's Beyond special. Well beyond. Yeah, it's really cool. And then and then the sexuality part this is actually really great because we're going to be doing a lot of this work at the workshop which will be played out but it's very different. I don't I don't necessarily feel from my injury level down, which is T4. So along your spine. T4 is like right where your bra strap goes around your chest? Okay, so like right around there. So from there down, it's numb. Wow, go from here to here. Yeah still when I have to go to the bathroom. Yeah, I can't feel backs in the same way. It's all very different. And so you have to really tap into your other senses of it's It's a mental game your mindset though. You write like and firm. I mean, this is also just like a ball of the themes about whatever we talked about but I think sex gets better the older you get because you understand your mindset more and you understand like it's a muscle to like your sexuality is a muscle and you learn how to turn it on and how to like like, oh, I like this. I don't like this you like that Tony Robbins when he had us like talking to like certain errors and then like like what your turns you on what your doesn't turn you on and like I was like, okay, but it's crazy how you have to tune into all that. Those different senses. I love that you talk about that and how it really is just more mental, you know, it really mental. And so I think you know when I went to work with girls, it's very much about you know, when you even say the word sex like what does what do you feel? You know, are you do 10 steps? Are you there? Shame around it? Are you excited or are you kind of free? Like I personally kind of have an inner. Patent leather side. I guess that's how you'd like. So I think you kind of have to really turn into you know, what what does your mind go to when you think of that and then really really playing on that and because you very open and honest with your partner, so that's completely honest with you because I love that you said shame comes up for sex with women. Because there's just like this thing around sex that you should just have sex to have babies and like that's not the case. God made you to have an orgasm and you can have that and it's a beautiful thing and it's great and you can do that and I love that you're teaching that to take away the shame from that and I'm sure there's probably a lot of women especially because that's what you help women who have some any sort disabilities like is that something that's hard for them? But if like that's hard for them to go and like date or connect because they're so afraid about is that a lot of shame that surround that or it's going to help them. Thing that actually comes up more than anything is feeling like you're a burden. Okay. So because you need things differently done because we have to now talk about it differently because we even have to talk about it, you know, you know, we have helped doing put into a bit different positions is a very big it's a lot of communication and when you have a disability, there's a huge huge kind of elephant in the room of Burden. You don't want to be a Burden, you're sick of asking for help you I do this bill and I have to really like remind myself to speak up for myself. You know, I went to Tony Robbins actually with the Big Goal because I had this lump in my throat. There's a physical lump and it was just all this denial or every time that I didn't speak up that I wanted something different like anytime. I wanted to say get into the pool, but I needed help. So I didn't every time I miss out on an opportunity. That made me You know baby joy that once was getting bigger and bigger and so that's really magnified in the bedroom. You know, you don't want to put people out and I think people even just resist the idea of dating. They don't think that they are worthy. They don't think that they are beautiful. So my biggest thing about creating this community of icons as I call them. It's if it's going to change the stereotype it has to start with them first. Yeah. With them actually looking in the mirror and seeing something different. Yes, they have to be able to see differently. And so we give them a lot of tools of even just the act of dressing up, you know, pretty Glam girl, and I'm totally owning it owning it probably more that so the next ever done in my life because it's who I am and that lump was bigger because I made myself small and you know, that looks ridiculous. I can't be sexy in a wheelchair that's stupid would have those conversations with myself all the time. I'm so really if we're gonna break those up. We have to start with the individual and I started so go back to kind of the healing of the island. Once I got here. I had this idea in my head that I was going to walk again. Stop back to the islands are calling my name. There's gonna steal me I'm going to get to the island and I'm going to walk again. I'm going to was here a couple walking Miracle so I get here and obviously I'm still not walking. It's been two years but What I do you're walking into who you're meant to be now. So like that's the key right amen. So what I did but they ended up starting this blog and I was I was like, I'm just going to talk about my experience. You know, I've always got this inner bright side. I could I can find a bright side in any situation. It's a gift had a my entire life. I can always find it no matter what there is a sliver of light. So I was going to write this one as I got come up with a great name and I'm very committed to the words. We use all about the words we use and so I was just started playing with these words and I came and I got to this idea of vertical ambition thought that was really cool, but it was taken and like I'm really still really like that name that word vertical there's something really powerful about that and if I'm going to get up and stand and walk I got to be vertical. So if I keep telling myself that I'm vertical and vertical and vertical one day of I'm going to happen. Right like I'm just everything that I think about my focus is all going to be about being vertical and blond will end is known for my blond hair. So, I mean, it's always been white my entire life. You have beautiful hair. Thank you. I do love my blonde lat so so I came up with vertical blond and I thought was really catchy and really great and it was all about the verbage and what happened was it's this This mindset emerged from it this idea of living vertically and this idea that every single thing that happens in our life is a stepping stone higher and higher and higher. It's all elevating us if we see it that way there's there is a filter person I choose to see the world differently. You literally see the world completely different. It's literally as if you were blind and you put on glasses here like this is the world that I choose to see and that's a choice every single day that we get to choose to have like what parrot what glasses you want to put on today and how do you want to see the world because you can view the world. However, you want to see it can be gloomy and terrible or it can be bright and amazing and light and love but you got to choose that first and your mind, right? Yeah, and you know, our filters are a mixture of everything that's happened to us, right everything that's been told to us everyday experience. We've had how we've experienced. Experience everything is creating that filter and so we're always going to think see things differently whether you know, you see a hurdle or a challenge is that another means to grow or is that something that's going to break you down like and just saying with this accident? I mean I look at my life now and everything that I've learned from it from therapy to group therapy to even go to a now go to Kodak codependents Anonymous stop having control over people and trying to think that I have any control over people to even dance and doing aerial yoga pushing my mind and my body and in so many different ways and absolutely breaking down these things that I once thought was impossible. So, you know this whole idea of living vertically, it just makes so much sense. You know, it's and my husband died. Because I've got a convertible and so we call it Bert life like everything is like vert life, you know, and and it's great because now every chance that I have any encounter out there even just like cruising to Starbucks. I know that I'm making an impact and it's up to me what kind of impact I want to make that's so I take it very seriously every time I get ready for the day I make sure even if I don't even think I'm going to leave the house anybody. D like I am camera ready and game on I'm ready to rock and roll because no matter what happens that day. I'm setting a standard and sent in a stereotype because if I would have seen me before I got injured I probably would have had that for years of denial and struggle as much so obviously I think that that denial really does serve a purpose. So even that was really nice so how to go through that because also it teaches you how you can help every that you're helping with to is Because you understand what they've gone through you understand what the pain is what that mindset is and I love that you about like that just like how your throat chakra was closed up because you weren't speaking your truth. And I think that happens to anybody not that to everybody and I have that happen for me as well as like when you're not really speaking to being who you are or what your true needs are even to yourself first off and then two others that does it closes up for you and it becomes like this lump and you could argue what you might try to talk about like it you get choked up on it or you're afraid to even say your word. Words and it's crazy how we don't even say that to ourselves. So who won't even let ourselves speak Our Truth ourselves even be seen. How can we expect the world to see us for how we want to be seeing either what what really helped you to be able to finally like open that up and like to really speak your truth to that. And then how do you help your clients do that, too? So it's it was a it was a process and it still is the process every day. Obviously, you know, I'm really committed to doing the work therapy. Why is I go every single Friday 130 like everyone knows where I'm at. There's nothing even if I'm out of town. I'll still do it on my phone with her because this woman and I told her I said, you know, there's nowhere that I feel safe or more empowered than when I'm in her 4 Walls and it's great because no matter like like she over anyone else in my entire life. My my mom my husband. Anyway, she knows me better and she loves me more because of it and that was really transformative. Well, that's up to you realize you could be love no matter what right like having her show you that you're like, oh I'm so worth it. And I think that's the beauty like people are so afraid of therapy or having coaches or accountability Partners, but it's like you need that and I will help you out with yourself. There's a reason why your life still the same way. It has been before so go. Someone who's going to help you there's nothing wrong with that and think about that for you. Just what you just said is like that taught you the best gift you could have because then not like that like once you love yourself you allow others to love you too, because they are really believe the amount of love that you have for yourself as the amount of love you let yourself received and so like you might not fully let your kids even love you your husband. Love you, you'll push them away. You'll try to make them feel small because you don't feel like you deserve it and then when you deserve it, you're like, oh yeah Pour Some Sugar On Me Baby like love on me like I want it, you know and that becomes the different place and being able to receive that without guilt. I think sir, you know me it goes back to that bird and thing. Yes, really low. It's all this guilt like we have to worry about me again, or do you have to love me again? Like it was just it just Builds on it and now I don't have to be guilty about that. And now I understand that that safety in that and that that sense that I get within her 4 Walls. I know how powerful. There's to recede so now I'm able to do that for other women in a coaching aspect. And so it's great because everything I'm doing has come completely out of what I've done for myself, right? And I think I think that's the best lesson that the gametes you actually experience. Yeah, and we can think that we've got big Big Dreams or goals or whatever. But until we really know that it's coming from the heart like we've done the work we have no way to pass it on and oh, it's like when people are like well, I don't know what to do with my life. Then then you give to yourself and you pour it up. Yep wants me to work. You'll know what the impact is you're meant to do because until you know you yeah, you don't know what you're supposed to do yet because you don't even know who you are yet sisters like figure out who you are exactly exactly. So, you know, I had gone and I've done all this some I've done all this therapy and stuff before and I Physical therapy and I was kind of getting burnt out on that and I been driving by the gym every single day and at this point it has been five years and I had not set foot into its traditional gym since I've been injured it is only been physical therapy and I had gotten to this point where I was just like I just want to look good in a bikini again, but I don't care about the transfers getting in and out of bed like it's got all that nails. I just want to look good in a bikini. Yeah, and so I had like driven by the gym like over and over and over and over again. I was like, I just am terrified looking like an idiot like not no. Can I use a machine? You know, I'm in a wheelchair and doing it in a seated position when I'd ask for help. I'm gonna have to be a burden and ask for help, you know, all these things that go through your head because I'm gonna Jam drive by the trim gym and something actually really beautiful happened my son broke his foot. You again like saying the bright side, right? So he's out of preschool for a month. And because he couldn't even walk on it try to keep a three-year-old off of their foot. Yeah, right. I was like, oh my God, this is so hard. Don't know if you've seen it on my Instagram yet, but it's amazing amazing pretty Sensational just inspirational to because I and I mean getting into fitness really can change anybody's life and it helps you realize that I truly believe if you start to work on your body. It's so much easier to realize how easy it is to work on your mind because you see how quickly your mind has to be right for your body to get right to and you see the physiology changes. So you're like, well what else could I change? I just had to change how I thought about this or like let go of I might look dumb in front of the he's weights or whatever but who cares like I'm doing it for me. And so you find all this different like self and dependency and like you felt like self-love through it and stuff and like self-confidence through it and it becomes like this awesome gift that helps you level up your mind to it changes so much of that the totally experience with that well, and you know, it became really clear upw was that the whole thing about working out is that you're getting yourself in a peak State? Yes, like of course it's easier. Work on your mind because your body is finally elevated. So that was extremely empowering and the quickness of it was fascinating. I mean, it was like 6 and 12 weeks. I was like, what the heck is this incredible? And I had really strong Wyatt that point I had and this is what I try and get across to the girls. I'm like if you're just going into work out don't expect something drastic to change, but if you have something you're working Words then boom you're going to do it but two things that was going through my mind one was that I've just been crowned Miss wheelchair Hawaii and I was going to compete for myself. Yeah. I was super excited about that and I wanted to look really incredible. And then the second one was that the artist wanted to do a portrait of me this artist actually to back up a little bit more. Had already done some work with me. I met her she does this beautiful soul portraits and I said and she does these mer kind of mermaid fantasy ones of you as a mermaid or a goddess. I said my fantasies just walk on the beach again. She said I can totally paint that with let's rock and roll so we did this photo shoot so she could capture my features and I wore nothing but this very sheer kind of Loi not even a top. It's kind of like a piece of material. It was very see crew and I was nude underneath a very and while she's taking my photo I just was like well like I feel sexy again. Yeah, that's me in my wheelchair. Welcome to that point to give you a sense of the denial of my chair on our wedding day for our wedding video. I specifically told the guitar Booker and videographer. My chair is not allowed in a single photo or video. Like I was in such denial that that chair even existed and then to go and have this like moment we're inside this big piece of metal that felt very cold and masculine I felt sexier. Again, Michael so beautiful and so because of that I'm so proud of you that now I do the vertical Beauty project where we give women makeovers and photo shoots that have a disability. So yeah, it is like my big my heart like that. I want to go into nonprofit that one I really want to have a special place in this world. And so So she got in contact with me again, and there was this big it actually ended up not taking place. Maybe just not yet. But this was a wife or the for working out you wanted to do kind of this dominating disability kind of idea and almost a little dominatrix like in the chair and not wearing a whole lot and she wanted to paint that and so I was like, well, I'm going to make sure my body looks Nothing in life is not just those two things I've been through the good standard crunch is very difficult. You have to engage almost in your mind. So I would work out with my eyes closed a lot to actually just visualize these muscles working in the the next thing is you got to visualize it. If you can't even see it in your mind, you're not going to achieve it and I love that. You just said the mental vision of it and like that's why I Also, enjoy working out is I found the muscle mind memory and how you can really close close your eyes because it looked up 5 pounds and you can make it feel like it's 500 pounds by just like turning it on and engaging that muscle and focusing on it and like that mind power that mind like it's just it's crazy. So I love that will you guide us kind of through that then implies kind of cut you off but like continue about know you're good at the way I completely agree who was kind of cool about all of this was that Everything that I was doing now, I understand how important all those steps are, but it was literally like I can flow you're just doing automatically. Yeah, like I just kind of a fun accident. So but after I put up that photo of the before and after I got flooded I'm talking hundreds of messages saying, how do I get rid of this wheelchair? Tummy. How do I do it tell me the way and so it was difficult. Because that photo was so in your face because like there is a lot of work that went on behind the scenes like you don't like what happened to get there. Like yeah, it was beyond diet and exercise maybe was it was it was all the mental game it was even therapy that went into play because like, how do I put all of that together? Yes, you know, how do I make that a package? And so Jake the trainer has I had already been doing online training, so he already had Program set up. So what we did was we just went into the gym. We filmed every single workout with some and every single exercise and we put together a program. It was all online. And what we do is we take these girls through six weeks. So we do group called once a week. They also get one on one coaching with both me and Jake they get a personalized nutrition plan and then they get the workouts that you know, like an hour a day four days a week and that's all I did and so So you can have those kind of results when the commitments there when the why is there when then everything in your life starts to go right to your mind sets there, you know exactly what you want. And I love it. You're saying envisioning it. I'm so big on like doing it's like write it down make a vision board see it for yourself. You'll be able to achieve it. You can make it happen. It's in your mindset. You know why you're working towards it. You have some sort of plan a reason for it. You have the accountability and then you have then you're amazing. Unity of women who are wondering the same thing who are just like yes, like let's do it together. Let's rise together and there's power in that Force. There's power and wanting to do it together and that's why you go to the gym and people like make friends at the gym and stuff is because it helps you you create a community there too. So you're like as it's a part of me in it and you want to feel good you want to feel healthy and stuff and it just becomes who you are and naturally and every single person I've talked to who is elevated their life or change their life has also changed their body because it just automatically comes with your mindset. You automatically shift because you're like I want to be the best me in everything that I do no matter what so I love this. So talking about like the community that you've created by creating these programs and just that is this so beautiful of what you're doing with this community to I think it's so amazing this community has oh my God, my heart just took clothes, I think about these women, you know, we've got women that have lost 40 plus pounds. We've got this one girl that could Big Goal was Just like I just want me again. I miss me so much, you know and she had gotten and she's young. She's like 22 and she had gotten a stroke on her spine and because of all this steroids and and trial and errors and I was such as games like all this way to floss her hair and she's just like, I don't even know who I am anymore and she was terrified even like post a single photo on social media this woman. Has lost 43 pounds and she just launched her own blog. I had totally totally ashamed literally got one girl is at the court. And one thing I want to point out here is it's not because you're changing your outer body that all the sudden you've you feel confident in your life changing is because you're teaching them the inner work you're teaching them to deal with the inner work how to find themselves how to love themselves and through that your body automatically changes and for women when we don't love our bodies it literally carries out and it bleeds into everything that we do because Society has such a way of what women should look like and how they should be. Great, and so there's so much, you know inner damage that we do to ourselves we talk so maybe it negatively to ourselves about what we think we should look like but it's really just finding love for yourself you end up really loving all of you no matter what and just like the prime example, like loving you and your wheelchair and feeling sexy new wheelchair like you love all of you and my my experience was like learning how to love my stretch marks and learning how to like, you know going from what your body is before kids to after kids like that is a total different thing. And so Like it's just but it's I think people have the wrong idea that like, oh if I finally lose weight, I'll feel happier. I love myself. That's not there. It's that combined with the inner work with a mental with a mental game of it with the self-discipline. That's what's creating that and it's and then it's learning how to show up for the world that how you want to be seen because you're creating this community of women to help them see each other for who they really are and you're given so just like how your ability to go to you said that she helps you be seen in love like you're creating that same atmosphere in this community. You're telling them to have a show each other love and how to be seen and like rise together. And so they're like, oh it's okay to be me and I'm love Mom enough no matter what and then they go do that in the world. Am I that how you change the world? That's how you become this game changer, and I just I love what you're doing. I just think it's so so so amazing. It's beautiful. So thank you and my feeling that you know, like honestly it's amazing because it's powerful its powerful work. And if you would have asked me when this injury happened, you know what I'd be doing with my life and how you know, what I'd be doing with it. This is not what I would have expected. You know, my you know that day I thought my life was perfect. But my life was really easy up until this point it was it last growth Alaska purpose contribution. I did everything just to be significant. You know, I just I was an attention getter my whole life. You know, how do I have I keep people's attention so that they don't leave me. I had a hole in my heart, you know, it's a longer story, but with my dad leaving out the divorce and I just was just speaking. It's overachiever as a way to keep people around and keep people's attention. Now, there's it's not for the significant it is for that fulfillment that comes when I get that conversation with the girl and she is just beside herself. Happily were her life is gone and that is just like it multiplies and people get to see that and now and I give them all a pretty pretty big speech at the beginning of their six weeks. But okay once this is over you now have a responsibility with your life to carry this on not just six weeks and it's over it's six weeks jumpstart to your life. Like now it is to go out and to spread this and could see a light for other people. All and to really own your purpose and your own calling and figuring that out with that is that's the funnest part like that exploration now, it's great because my life coaching the fitness coaching and now our event it's all comes. So organically it is just about me going out and doing this work and realizing that people want that as well. And so I got the bechler lesson there at upw. The first one was this woman that meant me within moments and she had actually brought me down to the floor for gas. So when I arrived at upw I went in the doors, I was the very first person they loud in the doors getting grounded thousand people. Keep in mind. There is a mile of line outside and they I'm like number 5 in line, but they brought me up because the wheelchair and I got around whatever there are a lot of perks that come. The wheelchair I'm going to say there is like VIP moments left and right if you feel that way, they are VIPs. So I got in the door and it was still a few minutes before I could even get in the curtain but I'm super excited and this guy Steve and he's like there to help me to my feet I get up there and the Ada the handicap seating is the very back against the wall. Like this is shit, right? This sucks our community. Let us what is the back? Yeah. Feeding stocks and I'm like this is stupid. And so I asked even like how do I get to the floor? What are going to do and he's like, I don't think that's going to happen like you got to be someone guests to be down there. That's like, oh why am I will and and he's like an it's like I know you're here with your business partners. My business Cartman take the pits personal trainer. He came with me. Yeah. He said there's no way I see it. Both of you down and said, well, I kind of had a feeling I'd be going further than Jake because I gave him Bill, and I said Jake if you can go further go don't wait for me and vice versa if I can go further Uncle further because awesome. So when he saw the a defeating he's like bye Felicia I'm going further is like you get as close as your cat. Yeah. So then I'm like Steve could see what you can do. Well, he actually said it I mean a little cocky now because I'm really excited what happened how it all transpired but he's like, I'm gonna see what I could do, but I am not making a single promise and about 20 minutes. Later, he comes up me to give me the nod and the smile and he's like, let's go. Let's go. He's like, I'm gonna introduce you to somebody there's a chance that she could bring you down as your guests as her gas. Again, I am not making a single promise and her and I met and within like second. She's like I want you to be my guest. I love it and she said but she says but this weekend you get out of here you get out of your head and you play from your heart. Yeah. And then anytime you need it. It's already inside of you and then she introduces me to Brian the floor manager and she says Brian this is Sarah my seats over here, but she can sit wherever she wants. Aunt I love it's getting me right now he's like, where do you want to go I said I want to touch the stage. Yeah, so he took me up to the front row and he puts the Seal white piece of tape on it acts on the floor and he's like, this is your spot girl. Like welcome. I love it. Oh my God, like there was a magnetic pole that stage the moment I got in there. I could feel it in my soul and that experience. So I did I made a very big commitment. Start to Nyla Medlock. She's the woman that brought me at the desk and I in my head. I was like this is I am beyond gratitude and I need to show it by playing Fallout and I am I'm cutting off all my responsibility for anybody else in this room, which is very big for someone that struggles with like codependents and worrying about other people feeling like feeling like you're a burden and she like, okay, I'm going to now I'm just going to be me like that's a gift in itself. And I love that you were like, this is a lesson. I want to learn right now. That's so amazing totally fair. Like I'm going to play harder and more clout than I've ever played in my life. And I lost myself. I lost it be emotion that's poured out of me. I it was 37 years of pressure Unleashed of every time that I said, no when I wanted to say, yes, and I put that in my lump in my throat right into my body. It was completely unleash that we can and maybe harder I played below. For myself every single break. I would have a line of people wanting just a photo with me because they said that when they saw me on the screen or next to them going hard it pushed them to go harder. Well it did and that's the IQ energetic. We've pushed me to like Foley go out for me. Like I had an amazing experience there too. Just like letting go so much different shame and stuff, but it's like they kept showing her on camera. So I'm trying to explain this to you guys because as we have a mutual friend, And and our mutual friend had said so this is kind of a great backup little bit about Sarah is I was supposed I was going to Tony Robbins in our mutual friend was like, oh my gosh, we have to meet this girl Sara like you guys are totally gonna revive. I'm like, there's no way I can meet her at 8,000 people and then literally the same second. I said that Sarah shows up on the screen just like Girl, because we just have to and you and I didn't mean till the very last day the very very great walking out the doors and it was just like I walked into you literally walk into you but it was kept getting showed up on screen and it was just like amazing and beautiful and you form played out and thank you for doing that because you did you gave us every bills permission and do that and like in fact even a guy hugged her so hard she fell out of her wheelchair and like you'll crush it like you were so crazy and I loved it. But it was just like before energetically like drawing so much of that room and like helping people just be loved and like so you did you made it happen from it was pretty cool. So I got to replace a really big belief there and the belief that I've been touring was play small to keep people comfortable like clay, it's not like why you got a baby shine no matter what and that's what you and I talked about when we met. I was just like just shining and allowing yourself. In yourself that permission to shine because when you do that you let other people shine too. So it's the vert its opposite right when we play small we make other people play small but if we start to play Big we get them to play Big to like Anna gonna lie. It's so cool. So now the verbage and the words and beliefs that I have replaced it with is my light is needed. So every time I feel myself getting small I can say that I can actually say those words and it flips the switch. Which nope they're like needed don't you dare break all my burden know my light is needed and I do want to ask you if you believe in the power of affirmations and just like a manifesting and stuff like that. And do you look like that to help you on your journey as well. It really has and you know, I think that even more so with that formations, it's just the words that we use right, you know, even even around my body, you know, I used to say well I don't feel from here down and now I say I feel differently from here down. You know and so it's like even just the words that you're saying can have a big impact. So but you know and to play into kind of always seeing the bright side, I think now I'm just really magnifying that so it's a lot of gratitude and it's the lot of you know, I do a lot of I have very big Visions a very big bowls I envisioned myself on a very big stage and but I also understand that there's a lot Brewing going underneath the surface that we're not quite aware of that will play a role at some point. Yes. And so I do a lot of this whenever I have my vision, I'll have my vision. Oh hold it over my head and then I'll set it free will have the vision and let it go. I love this that really allows you to take place. Yeah, it does but then it also allows you to really take in and tap into whatever coming to understand that there's a Listen to real meaning behind it that's happening for you. So this may look like someone saying no, but it means that somewhere else is having a yes. What means that I need to get better and clearer and bigger with what I need to do or you know that something needs to be adjusted if I'm getting a door closed here. It just keeps it just means it's not like this hot for you right now. So just move on to the next that's all that it is and it's a blessing every time you get a no. No, I love that. Yeah, tell us about what it is. You have this amazing event coming up that I just want to totally help you because you're just so freaking amazing and you're trying to inspire all these women and this like and it's going to be an event that's here in Utah. So you're currently in Hawaii, but you're coming back here for it. So talk to us about what this event is like what you want people to experience their how I can help support that hard listeners can help support you with that what you still need for it? How many tickets you have? Like tell us all the things? Okay, perfect. I like jumping out of my chest. Like your energy I just love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. I love it. I love it. So it's called vertically and my whole goal is that I want these women to leave vertically like they are going to then go on and pursue their lives vertically and I am super excited because on a screw selfish note. We are going back to the resort that I worked up for those flyers up Landry. We want full circle and it is also happening the same week of my accident and Versary the lucky part. Okay, that's awesome. Yes. So my anniversary is September 22nd, which we actually then got married on September 22nd again, we want to make it a bad day or a good date on the bad day. But I love that he'll I spoke with my husband like I kind of want my day back like two weeks just renew our vows on another day because now I kind of like my bait. Yeah, that's kind of a side note. So we're going back to the resort. It's Park City Resort up in obviously Park City will be It's a Summit Hotel. And so we've got three day passed tickets available. And then we also have a really really great group great at their one of their three properties up there. There's summat Silverado and Sundial that you can stay out. There's great rates up there to use so our all-inclusive tickets. We are all sold out. So an all-inclusive that included food and lodging and not very VIP we're going to do show them what VIP looks like but because of such a big high demand, we also are we opened up our tickets? So we went from ten women are gold now is 50 women and we want to fill those pops. We really want to fill those spots and so at this point because we're only a few weeks away. It's all about the local clientele. So can you are someone or you know somebody that would really benefit from this head over to Vertical blond.com. / vertically. There's also a thing on the Front page of it too, but when I post all this as well, so that they perfect you as well. That's also your just want to make sure it's all women and women with physical disabilities. I do believe in my heart that everyone's got a disability something that disables them if they've allow it and so at one point in the future, I do Envision this to open up for all women and even men to bring their disability to kind of rip up and get rid of but As of now this is my community and this is what we're going for. So Physical disabilities anyone it's like a cognitive issue or mental disabilities that one contact me to see if this will be a good fit or not. But so it's going to be great three days. We open up that first night with a really great welcome reception and kind of party and then we get right to work and what I kind of explained it as as like say to his then we break it down to Rebels and then the next day Use all that Rubble we bring build it up to what we really want to see because it's still our life like with still have all the rubble, you know, and we still have all these tools and resources that we've gained over the years and what do we want to do with them? So we are going to have incredible speakers. We're going to do some group healing really tap into the stuff. That is help me. I mean kind of do some really great processing all there with some really great supports. We've got a woman Hillary skoglund. She has actually facilitated a lot of my work shoes. An energy worker energy kind of group practitioners who really deals with trauma fabulous really really well known in her community. And then we've also got Maggie Anderson. Maggie is also a spinal cord injury as well and she is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in women's sexuality. So he's really diving into that sexuality super excited about that and we are going to be igniting their inner kind. 16 and kind of feminine power so and then a lot of dancing and elevation and bringing up that that great state will do the fitness classes all the disability Icon Fitness classes. Jake coming to leave those got adopted yoga. We've got some really great stretching really really tapping into our bodies giving them love feeding them to nutrition. And then we also are going to be doing the photo shoot. So I've got Vishu for everybody. It is in part for everyone. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that will be doing photo shoots women are going to be able to see them and it's beautiful new light it once if you want to go over to YouTube you can link this one as well. There's one on the vertical Beauty project that we did last year. We did for ten women there in Salt Lake City. That one was a full day of full makeovers like these grandiose photo shoots, so Ben the event we've actually got some things in store that are a surprise for some of the girls but cat quite really talked about that yet, but we'll just say that the photo shoots are going to be absolutely life-changing. So I'm really excited. And then the that last day will just have a fun little brunch in a workout and then send them on their way. So I love that and it's going to be so healing so powerful you get to have a community of women all come together. They're going to make these lifelong bonds that are going to Have forever and it's just going to be powerful and I used to fully support that so anybody who's listening if you guys want to offer anything up for this event to you're still taking sponsorship stuff, right like yeah sponsorship and one thing that's come up a lot actually is people saying, you know, I obviously don't have a disability, but I would like to sponsor someone to go. Okay. So this is a really great way if you want to purchase a ticket if there's someone that you know that you want to give it to or women are starting to write in as Why they must be there and they may not have the resources of a financial resource, but they have something else to offer or they really need to be there. So that I think is a really beautiful way for your listeners if they do want to purchase a ticket for anyone that would be my recommendation. But if you want to do anything for gift bags, obviously, we're gonna do some swag some giveaways even some Raffles if you want to just donate one or two of Whatever item that you offer. Yeah work. There's anything entertainmentwise that you want to offer, you know that last night. I kind of envisioned a little bit of a party but there's anything like that but you want to donate that would be really helpful and then obviously Financial donations are very helpful. This is our first one and so it's personally financed to make this happen. And then oh, I almost forgot the two biggest thing but one is that we're filming Entire event for a documentary a documentary which is like the cool thing of all time so fun. So I've had some filming already downed of need up the planning process because until now I've been like a one-woman show. Yeah, even the website project proposals putting the event together. I mean everything has been just from me and so now I've got that support and then we have a research crew from the India the University of Indiana. So they're going to be actually following the women and do Doing a whole research study on how this impacts the quality of life short and long term the great thing about that is that in the future? We're going to have something very very substantial. I kind of have a feeling once those researches going to say but it's great to have that backing so that we can take this and really watch it grow. I would love to travel as well. So I'm really really pumped and I I'm super blessed. I've had people, you know one woman offered. We just a full-on event planner free of charge. She just wants to get involved. I'm so grateful and it's a big reminder that people just want to help. Yeah, like they want to get behind something that has passion and they can actually make a change people crave that it would be part of something bigger. We all need it. It's literally a I mean with that. Yeah, absolutely and you're allowing people to do that to which is it just a gift in itself to so it's just amazing how your goal it's all beautiful. I love it. It's really great. Yeah, it's really really special. I've got two girls. They have been with me since one girl was literally the very first person that purchased the fitness program. So she's been with me since October her Quarry and then Diana is the other and they just wanted to help in any Patti so they've been kind of working as my assistant handling volunteer schedules and reaching out to sponsors. They've just been super helpful. So a very big salad pcori and be who are there my rocks they even the day that I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing there like, yes, you do know, it's just the beginning. I love it. I'm so so proud of you. I'm so honored to have met you and just be connecting. With you and I support this 1000% I got you girl. 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And where can I listeners find you so vertically blond on Instagram. So go ahead and do that and then you have like your YouTube and I'll upload your website and stuff to use anything and other ways people can Find you or get a hold of you. You know, I think Instagram is always the best, you know, vertical blond on Instagram is really an easy way again, then we always are doing the coaching as well. So yeah, so filled out I like your Fitness coaching programs and stuff. Yep, and then spoon also will be offering a financial program. So this one will be geared towards not even just with people with disabilities but really Guild geared towards that females so, you know taking them from a place of Is this empowerment to something that they have absolute power and control of so, really? So cold I can look at my hand on the fire. I got to the end. I realized I'm the only one that looked at the fire and still want to cross and still went with so much veracity and conviction. 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Hello, welcome to across the park extremes of Mills the alongside Neil for another NFC special but delighted to have accepted midfielder that ain't he's paid on the Big Joe Walter Smith Howard Kendall and he's going over to Australia with Robbie Fowler through bit of coaching over there. It's of course Tony grunts Tony. Thanks for joining us on across the park. Let's go right back to the star. We were talkin talking off air they had about you. Your dad was an amateur football was a big influence on you want to play football? Yeah. My dad's was was a well-known really decent decent player back in. Day one as we say in see before when amateur football was on a really good level right across the country. So he went on to win the the national Corpus and other trophies left-footer. So I grew up with hearing about Ray Wilson and the eyeball and candle and and all everything about 7 and I was good because I think in his school is school was was just another old here. Yeah, I think put some of these are speaking to a lot of people. A lot of this area was quite blue I think because it ever would rather good team back in the day. Hmm. They were all grew up with blue. So we all grew up was blue. Yeah, she's bigger than for infants on ubn at sonja's while you had no choice, you know, it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't like one of them means that was an educated football man. Yeah, so he was never there what people classes at bitterblue. Now who's a tunnel vision? He was never that he supported ever and that was the end of it, but he knew good football, you know. Football new go footballs. So if there was if the Reds were playing a football and the Eagle football is me that knew that yeah, so it was never a naive enough to think all that is the end of the day. He supported evident. Yeah, and I went to my first game watching ever and and I was in the 80s that's that's all what appeared to be a fan. That's Superior to be a fan that I imagine a lot of a lot of Blues. Of my ear and no other choice a lot of them would have been ever told Ians in my era. I got the tail end of that the 80s. I just seen the end the sharp and I see a lot of salt all and things but you know, so jealous of and I was there I was there wouldn't be viewed when we pay musical. Yeah. What a game. I remember hearing it as share that year were young kids would never knew because there were so many in the stadium. I don't know what what what Goldust inhale them these but there must be an extra fifteen twenty thousand and they because everyone was it was two fellows and every chair still remain shells and everything. Yeah when you you I am subject to that atmosphere. That's when you become a blue. Is that your best memory as a fan? I am in. Okay. Did you go to Wembley? And that was yeah. Yeah. So that's when Leah went to the let me go in the milk up when he's at it once ok, but everyone got imposed the milk up when I remember it rain and really bad. Maybe it wasn't a great game starting to Liverpool 80s little yeah and remember not having a great spec. There was a we're all wired in them days. Yeah. So I remember that vividly and then obviously I went back a couple of times. My mum was a read/write. She's got brought up a red. So we went back Ramon Campos one of the finals. But again, we lost the year when you score for us 86 Lennox. I wasn't that we want to look at evidence lockers the when I was a Schoolboy or ever well who's the midfielder to score the Consortium of course, but We'll go Soldier back then. Look at Wembley was all fans together all just seems like he's very very much together. Yeah, fuck another item number of it camera. I was growing up and even early 90s the cloudiest he's a dreads in and then we don't the college will change that was it wouldn't have the way is the way that one of the things we do the Pod for try and be friendly the friendly rivalry because we feel a bit guilty. It's our generation has tendency when we don't know how so I think it's just the way life everything changed. I was then that's just football. So yeah exactly. It's are you and how did you manage to sign for ever and was duly Co-op school boys back in the day when you play for your school team. Everyone has good school team. You played your school to your playlist A Team. You're playing a Sunday. See you applying so much football and you just hoping one of the local Scouts would come out and watch you. Um, like here and invite you into training. That's basically what happens. So a Liverpool 11 Scout would be at games and this day I never the Scout seeing me said Benson passed away now said you had one of her legendary State. Yeah. Yeah. Well Nolan on the you'd say if it said he's got something a hell of a lot of plays for Everton. So he's invited me in and that was it. Then we used to go in once a week to train at the night time. And then when you're off school used to go in and and train through the week, so that was our their introduction to heaven when you're a pro contract at 1993 was it would have been the whole candle here. It was a when I when I left school, I joined ever and Howard was the manager the second time. I never really seen Howard path. I'm walking down the corridor and yet that all and Howard's knowing new shoe on import was walking and she is sidestepping. So I never really see much of how a den but then how it went and Mike Walker came. I was going to say did you feature under it's a seasonal was our remember might walk upon me and I was playing really well in the reserves and time and you pulled me and said to me you pull me in. I wasn't that far off the first team and I was 17 because I was training with them and it was just as good as them. I'm going to pull on me saying to me you're doing really well get your agents are coming tomorrow. This will give you a new contract, right? So I went home ladies open spot Simmons answered. He pulled me in today and said this and the next day you get up and you got Zach helps. All Joel came in and I had to go prove myself to 0 then you training with the first team and Joe Joe came in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, look at you and I think it was January 3 came in November and January you came on at Newcastle. That's right. Now men fighting for our right? Yeah. That's what I'm saying when I was growing up whatever and all my early times a football to show me stuff was always fighting radiation. Mmm. So looking nothing. Now what I know about football now, which others are going to a team fight and relegation than it is to go to a team who's playing with all the freedom. Yeah. That was one of them players who like playing football, but when you put the shackles on players because it's so important to get a point then it's it brings different experiences and different Dynamics to yeah, that was definitely the case that you fold a Buick you br, all of them are pleased as a number 10 of bettinger. I think I didn't slip score 3-2 as if for the first time Half and second half if that's just didn't work for them welp later Willie to change it will eat onigiri with a number two, then who had a lot of Shia 10 days Willie put me on the wing and basically it was a Wings job to run up and down at a and try and intercept and block tackles and one there wasn't much Freedom allowed. Yeah. It was only when probably it was the year really when I broke my ankle. It was that year down here. I was playing with a lot more free than It was the start of the Season we were fighting relegation just year and I was when I was enjoying my football and I'm you flying asses will guess that 1960s until just before we move on from 95. And I know you ain't part of the FA Cup winning team, but you're on the bench for the college game and the semi is that handled one of them. They should only have two subs was being I'm oh, yeah. I mean, I'm more used to socialize together. Anyway. Yes, I am. It's Emma was it was a great guy? Yeah, let's be fair. They all wear or the lads all the lads were really close. What happened exactly? I mean, I'm all woman up and let me just that was another one of them are situations where you find yourself talking about it forever because of the Dynamics that day was Evan held three sides of the stadium some advantage that is crazy while the FAA allows it LOL ones who had been devastated if it was talking about and three sides and we had that example, we've got the three sides of the stadium in it. That was just another unique day forever and to talk about forever. Yeah. Was it like in the dressing room after that game was it? Just well if you're probably going to be in in in Leeds is changing room. So well even now leaves are changing rooms are really small the away. You couldn't swing a cat and Leadership right now. So obviously it was bouncing wasn't it Bo Quickly, we wanted to get out of it because we had used to be a restaurant in town with the cash retaliate is now upstairs. There was an Italian restaurant upstairs. Yeah, so we had a private party in there. So we were all looking forward to going back here to carry it on which we did. So you 1819 there a hero 94 that wasn't a 94 95. And so you say they you but also watching the 80s timor-leste Neville Southall big part of that few months later. You're playing in this testimonial, it's Elsa. Is that a pinch yourself moment or what year was that? That's some 195 was that you score past PSV in the following game. I was a man of the match and just rolled on your plate and South Poles stable table thousands down with them don't need the whole Bones the idea because we had ranges as well was that for? What was that for working? Just was Watson. Yes a vignette slice of Celtic and yet they were thousands down with them. Not one can score and they celebrated by the Celtic fans ran over to them. Nobody never was obviously one of these displays ever play forever and we all know that but then I joined ever and it's part of my and part of his team. Yeah and never never never back in the day. It's he's a character but it obviously I was a massive respect for them. Yeah. So it was all I can say in the South or was it a hundred percent in solving everyday? Love you never used to be in the rain and Before I arrived at straight net result is already on a session before I had arrived. He had like such high standards. So we at it's AI to be info 9 o'clock in the morning. I go upstairs never will be in this Kit full of sweat mode having a cup of tea and he's only just an hour session outside and that used to happen most days most and you know what he was doing. He was actually taking some of the young kids cultures it young goalkeepers and trying to improve them. Yeah. And some of them kids would go on some wouldn't because it might have been lazy. So I'll never never never used to put it on and some of the kids got got better. It's unbelievable. That is the lives of it. There is Storage and navigate about we love doing some shows like that that 95-96 season. I think he faced appearance was a forest became on said Paul Reiser also go and then you scroll the room past them Reykjavik. That's right. So you first goal Gladys, please ends. What's that like has never Sonia? Yeah. I know, you know to dance. Should have been one of them guys. We should go away more goals, but I never felt scorned your face one of those at goodison Park here by the street ends. It was umm, that's what you dream job. And when that happens, it's a bit surreal. Yeah, but it was always going to live a full life, but I'm still hoping I get my chances here in the sky commentates. It was said Grant Anna did you ever call that was like to sort of quite often actually because Jimmy get your bill gave me that name is Gabby was Like a big game Gabby was a big influence on me. Yeah, probably more than path means out probably more than anyone. So when Gabi got given the job of a couple of games Straight away the first person he put in the squad was me, but he didn't put me on or put me on the bench. And the reason being what he told me was the state of the pictures that we played Chef you away. He said Sonia player, but on the put you on a pitch because I was that type of player but Gabby I love Gabby Gabby at loads of time for me. So Gabi come up with that name because you thought I was like counselor. Yeah, even though I play deeper like that's what it you that that's right here. That's how I come across you move around a bit further past season. You're on the bench for the job. You don't feel C didn't get on but you your face is on all the photos. Are they celebrating? Yeah, you could remember being there for yeah. Well when a man feels some believe a largely, you know what it's it is because it's been that long I think that long it's been Kevin Campbell 99 Cents and that's it. Ladies was me but what's it like has never told me in being part of the squad goals and fill them with think walking us for me as a blue. Getting the results down field probably more than any. Yeah, because it's always been so bad. Yeah, even the great 80s themed. I mean remember when Sharpie scored a great goal, but we've never really dealt with never dominate a Liverpool at anfield or would never obviously we haven't won many. So the way we wanted that day and they scored two crackers. I was a bit of quality by unders on one or two of them. I think we was a well-deserved win and you know, it was winning that Outfield just was brilliant at remember the scenes of I think it was you and Daniel Makati just jumping on Android, but he was celebration player was what you think is the reason behind the the lack of Victories on field of obviously over the past. I think they were better teams. There was to be perfectly honest. I think I think that seem we've never really adds in my opinion since Andrei. We've never really had He was in my he was a on a different level. It could actually win a game on his own we've had some good players, but we haven't really had many of them players Liverpool of had better teams know. It's been tough. Yeah, it's being soft Tim. There's a mentality thing in that not really I don't think it's a mentality was the team's keep changing the managers keep changing. So the mentality would would be around the city manager saying Squad, but that's gone. I don't know. I don't know what he has a bit of blame on us as fans because I'm guilty celebrating and they'll know I don't fields are full time celebrating and you walk through standing Park then can I have a kill me for that? Because he's seen as gonna be done for know. What color do you think about it that went in my ear when I was playing we fought relegation. Yeah. I don't know what Liverpool a midi files typical that's who in NZ has already finished in La I can't remember but I'm sure they weren't fighting relegation. So that means if we're fighting relegation. We're not a great email. We don't know. All right, so if you don't take a gray tee and so a team and other team and the very good it's going to be really hard to get results. You might Nick a result now. And again that's just missing the results, but to actually go toe-to-toe with them and beat them properly. We've never really had a team to do that. Yeah, not since the 80s the 80s you can go toe-to-toe with them. Yeah and give them and give them a good game because Liverpool always been a top team. Yeah. Mr. Lamb how great your so if we want to go and not just never knock on next season just never one-nil and just defend what we want to go talk to. So we need to go back to you. I do you think we've I am a like the lattice lots of pets stages of last season where you beating like the Arsenal United the Chelsea that that wasn't that was masterful us as a club at a popsicle. That's all hopefully connect season we can yeah. Again the teams to keep winning and getting better and better, you know, what's a process of just improving every week until you've got a team that you can be proud of what you can go to places not just Liverpool, but you can go to mind you and Gil toe-to-toe with them and give them a right. Good game. Yeah. Now we did showed glimpses that last year didn't we agree? So I think if we can close on that, correct? Yeah. Yeah you get your for the job, you know wait for it. Well back to that 95-96 season but the biggest thing that really happens off. The season was Uncle he was jailed in October for instance often. Scotland's think he had bought it was a put-on mcstay upon because they think it was I don't know who he had busted. But what was the reaction like remember Joel Joel Royal and Peter Johnson? Were they were Furious about it? Because I think they said it took her advice when he signs and that this was not going to happen. Remember how shocked you out as a squatter team. Yeah. I mean sometimes a big part about worms a big part of the suggestion room. We all love to because He was a good guy. And obviously then obviously this is all happens next minute before you know, it simple is mm. Yeah, you know what? I mean? So I don't really remember tell me was it all it was in Battlefield on a tally or something was it found out so I can't remember him where he was also an hour's he's got up there and it was a massive part was my pal Nolan means we were Pals and all of a sudden these up there and be cast me to him. Anyway. Yeah, so He went massive loss and then he come back. He came back. I think in November he plays against West Ham paintings Newcastle in the reserves didn't exactly fall house. That's right. He's got a couple you went to swings and past season on Loan in January. I was lucky because you're scoring goals in your one minute and is a child were just saying you need to um, get regular time at all. I think I just wasn't play. I've always been one of them where I need to play me like Saturday afternoons playing and I think at that time, I don't know why it was weather. Always you've been with me feel that I can't remember. But anyway in some ways just playing a little bit was very day, then really there because about inaudible. Yes, so swimming come available to gonna play Steve mom is the manager good player. So I will decide who's going to play for them and see if I can learn a little bit more up there and enjoy me sign it or Steve McMahon later to work on the lens the time we had a good team lots of senior players in call the house play the swamp. It was the Winger for the chart number Holliday Allen. Paul. Allen was yeah another good player. Yeah, so loads of players and enjoy every time up there enjoy it you came back and you played Seven in a row. He'll come back what happened was finished the month and Steve pull the pin the officer. Look what is the state of the month? Do you want to stay and I went yeah even great sign here. So signs any for me back around two hours later to come in last and rip it up with my Mrs. Jones called your back - that's all right. It's playing my new possible. I won't play with a but I did okay on the back. Come on me and I nearly set the winner of I shouldn't I think it was for their Speedo might be a speedo or for Duncan. Right and we should have would last kick of the game. We went through a nice little pass goal is to beat mr. Put it so I left wind or whatever day. It was. I think it was a night game against manual way to man. You played in that game. Yeah, you start for the next seven and you score. Bora a volley at the alliance you Transit go see game with that poems that importance now I should have I've always what - it's a be more presumably play for for to so I was always been the Centre mid. So me all games being about making a team play so play with the team but I should have had goals in the game. But that's a school just cause it nice wasn't that about like put cause it nice and winning. Yeah. Well then Black Banner way, we want 3 in a land and Joe Royle was it him? I got a couple of calls. It's here. He told the I hold the time that you had the potential to be a superstar. There's no midfielder in the country who has all the qualities that you have. You can defend when the ball pass score goals. If you can put it together, you could become a truly outstanding. It feels as your coach now looking back. Is that spot on 1996 Tony grunts? Yeah. Yeah. After time is a sense of madhu could receive the ball anywhere could see things happening problem I had was Consistency with lifestyle stops, you consistency some time. So probably lifestyle was of it will definitely hindered me to do the heights that I should have and then injuries. Yeah, but then injuries can be caused by lifestyle as well. So it's can be a vicious circle put me Talent was never my talent was always there and sometimes that was probably a too much talent or sometimes because I try to cheat few days. It's really mean what he said that in a same article. He was talking about Joel Parkinson is big and Joel for England and he also said that your form was going to stop him lock on for the Midfield as you age or will say and that is that you're going to the summer are you flying out? I had to get back also. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, but you know it was decided that all the talent in the world is just Little bit more education would have been better the season we just missed out on your didn't meet people on the last game today what's been looking back? And yeah, it could have been I mean you get into Europe things change more money becomes available. You might buy better players next season you start the season with some better players in the team play and better brand of football. Yeah, there's lots of variables that could happen other results there pull it never happened. So we did make a big sound like somebody speed came in. Speed so it was quality was events. Yeah was equal to run around the track name is Roger outstanding. Fella always smile. Yeah. Well, we smile and always wear that always give an advice encouragement. And leading by example. Yeah, Cleveland by example is he played left Midfield and Ray was right and it was you and Joel Parkinson in the middle and that balance was just like unbelievable because it really scoring goals and dreams Gordon tells you with dictating the play Joe was just saying I win it and give it to you and if you kept a team together for two or three years out of me the one a few things there. No. Well, that's football, isn't it? It's it's keeping its keeping what's good going and adding to it. We're and lots of clubs not just those but lots of clubs. Just don't do it. I'll see if you do it. Yeah. That's almost well. I think we nearly found Nigel Martyn never saw before was was was on his way. And then we didn't get a noise on Martin assault all stayed south or says in his book that he felt a bit hard done by then, Joe Royle says in his book that he did want to move Neverland and if he couldn't and the relationship became a bit estranged to see that inside was a little conflict between not really I mean, If never that's conflict, he wouldn't he wouldn't show it on a trailer park was he was a true professional it might serve either privately or not. Not not out in the open. Yeah. Yes that the season started. I think you're on the bench of the Newcastle game and then you came off into mine United face. You games don't come school to adult Rapids be upstaged Alan Shearer and the Newcastle Gabe is all about Shira. Yeah was thing to consider as a bit of a point to prove they are because the whole thing was about cheering he was like, I'm going to make a I'm gonna upstage me was you like that drunken busy, I think I think it's all comes with the one he had. He had a lot so much ability. Yeah so much ability. He probably could have could have done better than you had a good career, but he could have done better because for such a big guy, he could leap lots of big guys don't leap you could actually some I've seen some of the pictures over the years and you don't know if at all time for so by the time you get to the ball, it's such as a macular macula touch. Yeah. Loads, it loads of potential to be again. It's true great player and probably didn't fulfill all this potential as well. But that day it was just as that was just as potential coming out that day. Yeah, I think all of a sudden he's got to it also offers he played well against Newcastle and he's been linked to a already. Yeah. We were like we're going to keep all of them is as I said, I think I remember rightly. Remember the Inter Milan I think in some alarm looking to take them. Really? Yeah. We talked to Vegas and you just adds on I still can't explain it now. We may be your defined as well. Maybe you have the same growing up. Oh, you just clean yourself to these people and he got us he seemed to get us and he was the hero. What was your like ramp Outfield was he was in part of this was he part of the lads was yeah. It was Scottish only the not just similar to that. We should go back to me and we were adding the city. I've only so we stick together and he's a little bit like that through tsunami. So we talked to him and he talked to us. He loved the city, you know, if the people he was knocking around with know. And this city can grab you if you're open to it the city loaded up here and that's why a lot of them a lot of that Zu Sian forever and Liverpool over the user State stayed in the city most a the rounded because the people are great aren't they you're going to games with figures and from Soviet and Watson some table and you in great company. They're like, it was outstanding Captain. It was Captain throughout your time there wasn't it? Yeah, he's a he's not the true legend. See you should be seen as a true legend of the club should be yeah, I still love Dave what? Playing he was great. Another thing control Royals autobiography. He touches upon the neck Barbie sanon, and he says in hindsight. You should have got a striker because we're going to do it and we had to do we had and Ray and bring them Bambi and to feel at the fair possibly but they're not against Nick was Nick was a great player two footed. Trains outstanding everyday give you everything he had on a Saturday afternoon wouldn't stop running. Yeah. It was a very good footballer. So I'd like them to Bortnick but maybe both a strike as well as well. Yeah and starts that 96 season was a bit of a weird moments and reckon she asks those rumors that is that was taint he has about euros and he was he was looking to maybe get away. He scored passed Sheffield Wednesday No One celebrates with them and the Press astral Royal after after the game. Joe says you've gone too far away from we are Joel Parkinson on across the park extra and he said there was a little bit of that but the players could also see that under tables difference or what he was the day before he was he was looking to get away. He could speak English sometimes when it suited and sometimes he couldn't stand to have that relationship landed. I always you're always tired lately ship runs, right, but I never ever seen where he was that order. He was just always the same to me. So you're saying he scored in the one run over to Mike. The Camp's never be in all my time there the count was never been using them. It was always us. Yeah, so I don't say ever any ever ever and players are in my time. They're not celebrating. I actually do think he might have run too quick and we've been lacquered and couldn't catch him, you know, because and I wasn't a nasty guy, right if he ever said tian's you might have other dead simple that wouldn't that shouldn't affect us as Farmers different the second C is mostly he was flying in a fair season and in the second season he was Patchy mean sometimes it's cool one. I think Southampton is called to when you mount manner that you know, seven one and one of the quotes in immediate after the game that's not dancing game was grandmother match if Grandpa as well Kinshasa cosplay as well and in tan ever and play well, so these comments either coming out in the Press Now notes notes in your performances and saying if you play well makes haven't played. Well you were on cloud nine witness you fear and I think going back and Lindsay Android he wants to eat come from man you he wants to play with good footballers and we-we're dogs of war and then and raised come in here. He wants to play a better place. Yeah, and that's just like probably that's just like notice some of the players. Now one thing I could do is I could pass the ball and I knew when to pass the ball, so we had a good relationship. So probably when I did play well it gave Andre. Yeah good chance to score goals that with an answer and give me a chance of playing well as well as I need them as much as you need to me and them days. Yeah for your game for my game. Well when he left me you got it. Yeah because Took a massive part of my game out. Yeah as I've got no Pace now right sort of me. So that that used to release me without used to release me to find more space using Android 12 us on you're trying to make a deal with our certain others less space for me now. Yeah like this on the long game I could do something. You got a bad injury - yeah, and I think Looking Back Now, I think the the highlights of me because the fish before we got whacked a lot of few close calls. And I should have been more clever in the way. So it's angle before someone. I don't know if it's Kevin ball or operational accountability one. That was one of them gone over the top on the ankle and You've got a bit of a college, right? So your joint and the throat the college, so that's that's what I am the ankles don't back out now from them days on that. I don't will carry on as long as it did with that put it in one of them black people. That was the reason because if you stop me playing Everything else was in front of them. There was not a never going to go behind them. There's no quality going to go behind was a difference and I think that injury kept you out of it till the end of the season. I think when I was doing a bit of hair with the other piece h on it said you're on the bench for getting to Newcastle and January. So was it an attempt to come back? And I didn't know where I was because because the cartilage Is interesting but wasn't interested. It wasn't nice at the time. But when I got whacked. The college broke up, right and it was like foreign bodies floating around your ankle every now and again, it gets trapped in between two joints and soon as I got trapped you could collapse on the floor because my ankle all the sudden just couldn't take any weight. He's that just collapse. So I go to the physio. There's nothing to feel there's no bruising. We couldn't work out what it was. Let's go on crutches the next day. I had walking because it's released itself from the joints. Yeah, actually, yeah, and now it's just travel around the ankle but it hasn't gotten to any joints. So I'm now I'm walking so now I'm training. Yeah, but I'm walking even trainer I collapsed on the floor and I said, well that's gonna get me some crutches. I can't walk you're going to see the physiology don't know what it is. So this went on for a few months or so I couldn't put so actually when on the pit On the bench a couple of times because I trade I've gone on the bench and I never got on but if either got on I could have easily just collapsed on the floor and it was only when the actually operated on me at the said it was a bad father and Carla just floating around to the club just and yet ago and he absolutely was but it couldn't work out what it was. They thought he must have thought I was joking about her fear. She runs on too much. And Joel Parkinson all around Christmas seasons over. Yeah that's on our form. It's like a family doesn't like being shipped all objects. We recognize the pitch sure. I was in the kitchen looking and then it I think it just everything seems a little bit Yeah. I assume any injuries middle of the Park. Yeah, it was it was a bad time with their camp at the time here with Dave Watson came in was what's it? Like it's about you Captain to be to be the manager of a sudden. Is it different sort of the time it was It was tough at the time. It really was everything seems to be dark. We're a big cloud over us because we lost Andre with lost lost yourself there Andy and Joe through injuries, Joe loaded left and with the fans love to be wrong with Joe cannot be as a bit of platform and the fans that never change. I don't think there was a little bit of graffiti somewhere, but he was getting his name's on go home games. Yeah, big draw is blue and white on these banners and are we with them and assholes think in 97 and the summer? We were promised Andy Gray will be adoption and how Kendall comes back in. So what are you thinking a when I was back here is up to be honest with you. I really was because I love how it's never really got a chance to play for them the second time. And he brought in a lovely fellow call the with Buzzbee coach faced in coach engine heat wasn't raised in idiot. It was a lovely guy and she was a good guy. And they bought some young Lads and me he bought John Ostrander neighbors are the only came in California. All right, so I think he's being a little date book. So anyway, he bought a few young Lads in it just didn't just hit nap under the just didn't wake up. My comments are coming at you with me. It's a habit. We will include a finale Pauline was a lesbian and all of a sudden Tony Thomas rocks up on my way home what's going on here which Ward and they had cows with the claims to us for Susan me and a swap TI it you know, they made some tea made some decisions then and it didn't work before relegation ideas and me yeah comes and she wasn't last year's. I was going to get started for whe that I was going to say. If you start against a stone September was your first appearance as a photo of you driving on this is my keyboard and Danny cut math is cool and you ought to have a unity and say and I think We just never had enough good senior players rounds at the time to help the young Lads at the time not good enough. I'm gonna be chauffeured you would enjoy it again then so January was at the ankle again Muslims also different. Yeah. I don't know Uncle Dominic because I had a couple of bad news 11 as well. So it was one of the world you there, but I remember that yeah, I remember I remember sitting in the stands watching TV. I need to get back into thinking that and I think Crystal polish away. I got back in the team. Yeah, it was really on the season was it that was January videos. We got back in the team we would ya and I thought right we'll start at now, but an injury always got in the way and make this court apparently as well. That's right hospital ship. I think John comes back captain at a it was obviously actually use made Catherine spoke almost a romesco the attraction and I think speed left permanently and it gives on Coney Island and supposedly has a captain's on different. Oh, yeah. Yeah different not like Waggy. Yeah difference, but it was our it was our goal to man. It was at idle time. I don't go on psychology game last game of the season look like the Indie let's go and we hope for a better team out here with no disrespect. Yeah, the team has an area where were you for that we do in the grounds and the standard. Yeah, but your fingernails like a final. Yeah. What was how will I clean up stocks? That must have been social pressure is emotional. Yeah. It was an emotional day. You think real wishing wishing? You don't tell it's it's I would you put it emotional. That's what it was. It's so many thoughts going through your head ever made was a reality at one stage ever and who go into the champion of atoms. We are here. I'm Thomas Meyer it slip through his hands and swear to God it started raining when that happens and it's like it's happening. You know, we won the love and everyone was singing and then it started raining. It was one one and they were pushin pushin for the winner and being in the house. It was a horrible did you? Base after that or you just I've also I wasn't being down County told after that. So it was don't know what the rest of the last I know I would be think I was on there as well. That's almost Thomas matter. There was a character. So I was a good guy since I was a few weeks ago. Well last season of the game. It's almost has always been a lovely. Fella. Yeah. Not so much a character, but just a great guy. Yeah lovely guy thread Neverland go and never seems Isis it in a little glass the street so they keep us look more with you and it never seems that after respect. He was like that like the Empire of like an orchestra take the glass sleep wouldn't do not unlike that's how much matter comes and shaking his fist at isn't doing a little dance like an x 3. I think that's kinda Dave, you know, because we are dancers and this will be actually now and again, I think that's another thing. Yeah imaginary. We got a family before it was yeah chop-chop. The module day and all Fields. Yeah, he's a solicitor at the moment. No, yeah. Yeah see, you know, yeah, but not always he's got good ideas on football good thoughts on football played the game. So now it's good survey catch up. We always talk about football. Yeah, he's never known in his knee comes up Olivia. Yeah. So did you have an idea? How was would make it the next season after such a bad seed Yeah Yeah, you sort of knew. I think the club at the club had to make a decision and move in a different direction. Yes, what's it like for you was I forget he's coming in and going just to change a managerial FC happen or so often. Is it hard for you to know with you comin or Goin or as you get on it? It sort of becomes the norm. Yeah, and you just waiting to see what the next one is going to bring and whether you going to be past the plans or you're not so there's always that and then you know, you're waiting for pre-season the common idea realized and where you really are fitting if you do fit in at all, what was once an actually good actually? Is the coach coached where Authority also sat back and watched would put as is a dialogue over when these numbers always there to back Archie. Oh, yeah, so actually basically runs a the daily way and Walter managed to make some it was a manager. Yeah, so we managed it, but they had a good relationship then to make Dave Watson first team coach as well. You came in. So I think he did but I think most of it was done by nearly all that was done by Archie. Yeah, so to to sounds but Alton and now that summer John Collins and Livy AIDS, of course, you look well. I left Olivia as a player. Yeah, I was never a fixed on John. Yeah, and I thought me and him were more Rivals to me and Olivia / - Lee taught me. It's a club or play play together. But obviously now I know I'm behind ya John Collins down, but when I was training with them no matter what I don't it was like you never get an edible. So that was it. That was the odd part, but we're to call I love to course. I love that. We play football and he brought it brought with him. I always remembered Face as first day of the first week you brought this intensity over them which is which is actually in the game now anyway in most training sessions were back in them days. It wasn't as much and he bought this intensity where every ball matter even if we were doing sessions that didn't really mean much they did to him. When a proper one a real winner here. I was interesting that I wish thought me that how it was. How was he with the young players coming through like a late? Yeah. It didn't use fine. I mean, it didn't really I say that was my whole ball on the show a while back and he says Olivier always took some the place for coffee needs of time. It may imagine. I was oblivious never asked me to the coffee across the fuck. I should instead we're doing a bit of research on that that periods and an article from Donaldson came up and he basically said in 1998 Walter calls him in yeah and said you can go because it's going to be John and it's going to be Olivier so you can go in Had no, I'm better than the pair of them and I'm going to stay and two months later. He was back in was the similar conversation with you. So no I think Me and Walter had sort of fell out at one stage. Okay. Yeah, my cards are being I had I think I had 18 months left on my contract. But when by the time I left and I've been locked up it was always when page on before me. All these is a of to play Because all he was a good player and then I always thought it should have been me getting a chance of a run remember saying to me either at one stage I said, okay, I get it so them show them every day that I'm better than Gah, so while enemy agent going in I was I'm me agents case all the time and I'm relieved wedding and you come out and it says you play in Sati and less staff spoke to the manager and he's agrees on what you're saying. You play any is Lester. So the agent used to meet me in the foyer that sets off me and became so Madam would have been about 10 past too. By unless the roll so we've come into those tickets and I've gone I'm not playing this is you are he said that's a nice just man has obviously changed his mind is made the team so I wasn't playing so I don't really know. I don't know. I don't know what the Amazon players they need, but also Zone players and that's why in the end a little bit sour for me. I just wanted to get out in the end because even though it's ever and it's not evident. It's it's the managers team at the time. Yeah. Well, that was your last fall season 11 1999 young be 13 times two games. You did play fair from with the mazes. Zombie could listen to him about it was metal because I've been out for so long injured. Yeah, and then I guess brought in to go math Patty Burger patch of berries play on the wing. You should cooperate that's old. Just don't let me score. So in my head, it's like going back a few years ago when my fighting relegation all the time you saw that the shackles on so now my job isn't to go makers play to go stop them from player. So that was my job which is strange because you came in because Olivier was suspended and He's nothing to you guys the game and it was it was more to stop at Patty Burger. That's what it was for this course. I think he's at the time and had a few minutes when we signs in. Those are 40 game Championship manager said he was boss on it. And I was like, we've set aside some point it was he a good lad to be around. It didn't quite work for them to the people now, it's really weird. I just couldn't say no me was the reply dating culture strong fit. Yeah. I never see him. I never really see. Never seen it before and another another game you started against Newcastle. Everyone Wan know no one remembers it because it was done. I gotta think of a example Souls beyond the managers by you play that game. So when did you find that out you in the grounds or you know now I think a new before the game laughter? Yeah, I think some company because there's loads of stories in the Target Iraq and Jordan Iraq before happens after all so new Junkanoo did until I was sure they would have all new as soon as they age. Yeah before and but yeah, that was a time when look like we had no money. Yeah Pizza Pete Peter Johnson went the next day didn't need this right now is results we've got about to come on you like horses. Our family would all go to be you go to when John 12 months. Yeah, because it was like he was the Talisman was only we never had anyone else. So I just I wasn't sure where we were going with the club. It looks like dark days for the head of us. Yeah three just go and it was a lady come back and say goodbye. Well, I don't know what I can't remember if he went back into the changing room. I had seen a bull and I we just went Her name is Replacements was Kevin Campbell and we absolutely needed Kevin Campbell. Didn't me Kevin Campbell played Billiards at me? Yeah, you caught me. It was like a breath of fresh air, wasn't he? Yeah, every stockholder score goals. So so don't almost forgot about quickly for the stage where there was a period in between about November and March. I think we all play and Franny open up with Danny Chasm R3 and the pair them good players, but it was like the indeed the cannot either Duncan's play with them because Barrio wouldn't work. So funny funny and have got on. Well got our well depicts the other than me. They almost unbelievable but funny could have been sort of special. Yeah, could the being these another one who sought myself before talk to Uncle and Franny probably comes into that category as well. Yeah in the least you could have been such a special day. Yeah, so when Kevin comes in in training, do you see how good he is or is it when you come in straight? I think I think he was surprised how good we were right across players. It was like and then all of a sudden I think that that upped his game. Yeah what he was good at was bringing those into the play so we could find Kev. Keep hold of the ball and we could all get involved in the game going forward and then obviously you got in the Box Score goals. Yeah, but it kept was a good player. Yeah. It was I mean, he's opening it was asking though, wasn't it? Yeah, so please play with some great players. So kept was a good player because I had the clouds or some and like he said it was difficult period it was difficult for the fans because we never had the hero and he just came and put the cape on Willie. That's right. That's exactly what he's on. Yeah the fans talk to because he was good. Yeah during me there's no there's no way there's no see. He is caught me in a time when needed and delivered the goods. Yeah, that's what he's done in name-checked you after that. The Coventry game is called to and he said she said Tony Grant and Donald isn't playing behind me was it was a dream because the football is can remember having a bit of a short relationship with Kevin where he was enjoying my time with you. Oh, yeah. I remember this face today. So what I say when I used to train, I was by far probably better than most of the players right? Remember Kevin Campbell's first. I couldn't wait to play with me joining me is it's just transfer it for myself just transferred and out onto the pitch. Sometimes was hard for me for different reasons, but I knew Kev enjoy playing with it earlier that game currency game my home at 30% off and he's gonna sign on the side land. So you're on the pitch and yaw. What was the X which game week before or the week after Wednesday Jonas Sheffield? Wednesday was the donors to one and I'm from high schools. And I think owns Weight and short don't you like nuts right identical back passes and they would even to one of our reporters in the zone and then you stack Kevin Campbell up to make it to Millions college. That was one and he was talking on the side of the bed. She hadn't left Michael Michael. You know, I've always got on well and any new players Arkansas ever said that the week it was always in me to make sure Sure, the welcome. I don't know why I think it's just that scowl sting. And yeah that you just making sure that a foreign kid you need anything. So I've always got on well with every single well nearly all of them the following as we've come over and Marco come over with his girlfriends and they were living in the docks and he was very homesick Marco. He was very homesick here young boy big lap big lap. Yeah. Exceptional ability possible no back lift 80 90 yards easy some ability, but just never ever fitted right? I think he was desperate to go home and I think some of us end the nafs or some of his rash rash football. Was because he was homesick. I think it had a part to play in all of it. Right? I think he was feeling so would you like that I train them as well. You could be rash. Yeah, it could be. It's just the right. I think it was the wrong time to bring him up him as a person to this country if you know what I mean, it's happening because he was a good player and he could have been a great ski was a chords Forever and cause you're big enough but it's just wrong place. I think long time and she would say it's definitely important that the youngsters to sell isn't it shows in the cutting it in a day, but I don't know. Our roles was a Nazi. Be and everyone's different entities that you never know what you're gonna get. If you bring a young boy over his girlfriend just there was never never it was never settled to speak the lingo Marco not great. No, it was never settled. I think obviously told us some of his games. He probably went home really disappointed and you know that Vicious Circle you just keep eating eating away at yourself. He spoke highly of having a few more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Homesick at the time. Yeah, that's obviously more important. Yeah, so you've gone from being the source of its own Ians house in the scene that we all loved two years prior and it's now Michael Ball my horse the young Scouts efforts wholly at the fans of hands could just use a top baby. Could you tell I was going to be here? I thought he was outstanding. Yeah really did. Baynes he's doing great. Yeah probably part was me best left, but I seen it look part. Yeah, love beansie. I love bolli. I think ball is being that was an outstanding player. Really what I really do. We had them on and he said he said you were a tough lately. I've said that because in is because our kids have you he was talking about you and he was saying oh good you in 1 d 2 Phi Z. Yeah, and he'd look forward to playing with it and it never quite happened as much as you want to because you're sort of crossed / ship passing ships in the night if you will. It was just leaving as he was coming through yes or something after seeing you see play together. However poorly come through and he was going he was very good at defending not mad. Not many people can be found no more. It's clever. Its really really clever like using his body. Yeah, and then he can play football and he played centimeter couple of times as well and was very good. Yeah, he's a good player Bali really was use get moved around other by Walter Smith is another one. We probably could still I mean it's a common theme and ever and I don't know what if it's a 7. That's the water. Yeah. Well someone 99 it was reported that you won five players transfer listed stabilize yourself Mitch Wars Gareth Michael Branch. I'm John Old King Club needed money and you were the five who it would be paying for Kevin Campbell. Basically, I will we help our you told that you will transfer. This is the process behind that. All Walter Walter pulled me in to say a chance fearless leader. I disagreed with them. Time but that was a decision. I said no problemo. If we get a decent Global go obviously I went someone City didn't they? Yeah, you had some your face when you don't know what a low the champion journals is put a child who is the manager she throws the number two. Yeah the championship at a time getting good crouched over the roads and I loved it and of the you know, I think I may be out last ball today. Never ever thought that no not once never thought about that, but the manager was Never ever coming to me but I think the modern player might think that but I don't know with my ear ever thought that would play it manages. It is like that now with me Place some lot more powerful natural managers. Yeah, and whether they think I don't know. I'm not putting words into the mouth door thinking things, but I don't know what to think that but they are more powerful because they're getting paid hell of a lot more money it my era of a way of playing it wasn't it was basically I need to go play. Yeah. Just want to go and play. I got the opportunity to play for also with champion. Yeah, you'll actually came back and came off the bench or United again as a theme there. Yeah, you can finally be in December 1999. We got three five one eight nine ten. You came off like six minutes to put your face on those pictures she is. Yeah, it was probably the wrong place to go looking back because one of the reasons I want to leave out left ever wished to get out of the city in a way for football reasons. Nothing else. Yeah, but I already went up the road to Manchester. Yeah, and I was back in the city. So I sort of defeated the object and what a John's I joined Man City when they were actually top of the league. So it's very hard to get in the team even though I was promised to get in the seen the person keeping me up. Was he in Bishop who was one of We'll meet a bitch was a brilliant player. Yeah, brilliant player playing Grace's well, so We got animals. So it becomes a little bit of banging my head against the wall thing and widely believed I should last day that I don't know but it seemed more months. Yeah, so that was a decision. I probably didn't help with be agents of the time. It was by Joe the manager. That's it. See ya advise wearing today, so don't think but there you go. Let me look promoted to the Premier League. Yeah any both and rayon? Yeah, it was Angela. It's called play and we will fight and relegated again fighting relegation. So we should switch it on there as well. He was there. Yeah. It's only because they're poor. In fact the ammo ammo completion train go back to George. Why are there as well as the top player? Yeah, but you wouldn't know that because he wasn't a Saint George as well in some place in the lambo. It was still George we're balanced or whether or greater one of the greatest players to play football but lovely humble guy. Yeah lovely lovely failure. Are you thinking this function will talk like two thousand one and only one alone, sir. So to West Brom and again, Bandy Bristol and crew but you think about coaching already at this stage? I think looking back Ami is a player. I've always been at all. Yeah on the pitch. I've always been the think it and I've always been someone who cares about people IE all over for the lads slap and Villages and all out of cool. I've always been open and warm and big coffee and all that to make sure the fans have always had the care and side soak a little people. But I've also other the way I played football you have to have an understanding. Of space because I was playing in a 4-4-2 in the Premier League attend stole right so that people can easily get in and sort of yeah, but no wait on me. So I had to have a good soldier yet a know where I was going to go with the ball. Mmm. So if I didn't know other classes, so I've always been a think of the game. So I think the roles I've gone on now was always going to happen. Yeah, it was a gloomy first coaching job is that there's a way starts getting me Meto in which idea was the manager who's a again old school, but new school I said it didn't it didn't complicated. So I just learned a little things off Dario and stuff around from there. That's where the really started. How do you juggle both player and Coach? Well, I didn't say it wasn't yeah. On the topic of player. It's going to coach and as a player. Yeah, because you're going to change a lot of players and then you go inside and culture. So you just dipping your toe in and then speak them or two cultures. That's probably the bigger one. Yeah actually getting into the M circles them as you go to work with Dario gradi. Yeah, but ideas. Yeah, he has a reputation of bringing all the others haven't what they are clubs aren't always give opportunity to play as you see. Yes, that's why they've had so much success because more kids get more opportunities. Yeah, even the ones who fail to get an opportunity to fail so clubs don't even give it an opportunity to failure soon. They've done as a business have an entertaining but with the wire and then was black being you faced actual leather ones. Yeah. It's on a bit of comic address that and then when I went to Blackburn, yeah, that was my first proper full time culture and roll. Yeah. I think you have a hard day at work said I'll be searching for your record their black been under 18s coach you The Casimir Elite League finalists in the fa youth cup and premier league coach we had these such we had a good team that year now out of that scene. I think there's only there's only three players who have gone on to be some sort of career so far. Yeah while be in the Premier League next year the other two in League one blessed them with all being released. I think from football which is unbelievable. It's just the reality of football at our other is that seems a good team and they don't have a so well because Blackburn Rovers only rarely get players have been released by Everton Liverpool to get all the players who the big clubs don't want you. And then your job dentist and get the best out of them and try and improve them. And then last for them to use digital proof did improve the got to a level which the my you shouldn't have a writ. Well that's saying they should never get it. No one would have thought he could get to that level and they beat the big clubs fairly as well. Yeah, we moved up to the first even in 2012. Yeah. Did you always want to be the first team coach not really a lot of the time and we went up to help the clubhouse because again, that's a I think it was some old lady sucks sucks. Well was that was Steve Keen Steve Keeney sucked King him after is that right? Yes, so we had to go there was no choice in that. So I goes up then when I finish the first time we goes back down. They brought a new manager in then the sack them. Let's go back up again. But this time it's fight relegation. So there's a lot of pressure on us, but we stayed up. Yeah, but season finished that I actually wanted to go back down with the kids. Yeah. Yeah, the minds of the time once we just stay with him. Yeah, so we had a few debates looking back. I wish either stay with the kids. That's what I wanted to do. But I went with the first team and the reason I want to say the kids is because I've been coaching many years and I love culture and I loved improving kids and I loved I loved them getting better and straightaway catapulted into the first team what I know now if we lose a few games would all get in circles and all the good work. You've done previous with all his kid. No one really cares regarding here. It's forgotten the owners don't care the owners. Don't care that you spent. Two hours when you've gone all thinking about their kids and they don't care about that. So I thought I don't want to go with these and sports the manager who's going to be the manager. He was like what you stay with me though, because we've done so well last year sort of get that but this is what's going to happen because I know what the know know what owners of clubs like hmm. And in the end I was right. That's what happens this happens when they shouldn't actors. We were doing great. They put it on the Embargo. We couldn't buy players. We were spending playthrough Gigolo. We would try and let it be actually improved players. We bought players in and solar for stupid money. And yeah, it's all satyrs. And that's the horrible top half of football. It looks a bit like from the outside block being I don't mean any disrespect to them because of the massive Club. It looked a bit of a circus at times because Alan Myers in as well, and he said also music director and my you couldn't speak to say and thank you. There's only one you could speak to. Sandy was a bit Martin. I think the problem the problem with that be that's how I'm in my life personally was it's not so much the owners is people who are getting its this game this this will football your liver. Yeah, it's there's so many people who were trying to sort of jump on the bandwagon and thinking all this and they think they know that and they actually don't ya and they cause more trouble we leave Blackberry Blackberry not related to the laughter in fact side of the manager be coming after us. Lasted ten games and he walked out then we got relegated and also not all for absolutely not and that's the problem with football. Yeah, kosher - I'll different as a Academy to face T. Is it a different way of making day or things pretty similar? No, I think I think if you've got a certain way of coaching you believe in certain things and played improvements should be at the Forefront of all of it. So if I want to improve a young kid, I'm still gonna prove a 28 year old boy, right? Okay if you want if you want. Be improved if you if he's on the same page and he actually wants to get better. That's awesome. Then that's got to be the Forefront of it all. Yeah, so lots of my ideas and my styles were very similar from the youth boys. So the first game boys maybe a change your words. Yeah, Jonah me maybe a change certain things, but I added a great time with the youth and a great time of the first team boys. Do yeah after black been I think isn't somewhere help Blackpool and it said you do some scouting for ever and as well you are It's going to have a full understanding of Welsh and then there's the new bit of a came in and wants to change it. So I was subject to go on to Europe and the UK looking to players. Yeah, the Steve what's gotta be unfair criticism. Do you think I think so, I think I've read recently. He's got a lambasted for the bring Employers in and perceptions got a lot to do with it. Yeah. Okay. So if you look at Steve, he's looked at all the guy doesn't he writes on let's have it right but if you go to his players and if Stevens to come out and talk about the future as firstly three of us fear cylons were all under the age of 21 in so I'm going to call that Loom. We pay the million quid for Adam all the luck. Flash of recently. Yeah. Now that legal players I can move and lots of money you actually go through some of the other ones. There's one that divides ever Tony's in Snyder. Yeah, so we're just idling for you get the board. Lots of it's on his like stylist first year. Yeah. So if you have a debate at the end of that year Lots want to keep them. Yeah, but if you decide not to turn up the laughter, it's that Steve's false. The coach's fault of the players fault cabbie Steve's fault, honey. No, it's not his fault that the kids want to play football. Yeah, but yet when the kids was decided by foot bicycle player because I know now there's some edits on is now we want to keep them next year and are some who don't because honestly, A is a good player. I'm in the keeps out to be for legal purposes of debate there already, isn't it between used to so what I'm saying to this that can't be his fault because there's a player there. Yeah, right. So you bring Pickford in Pickford wasn't England's number one pick the to a goalkeeper. Yeah, there's a few now saying this an apple pickford's of a goalie England. Number one goalie. Goalie. So pick was not a bad player and he brings guy and doesn't he guys it'll play it, isn't he? Yeah, you can so then the ones you know, the ones that all kick once people are all sorted out now is policy but you don't blast his first year before the other the cruciate ligament. Mmm was he that bothered us? Fascia not. I don't know some will say he was some say wasn't right. He seemed to work well will calculate time. But what I say is offer to shit lots of things can happen for crucial because you do well to actually play football again of a cushy, right? So he's come back off a cruise ship and he's nowhere near but that can't be thou as the eve Shirley's annoys me I cruciate ligament Anjali - yeah through it all the way. So you go through all of them. There's a question mark sounds always another one so sounds oh no one says that was a bad deal at the time. That's what she got. He's cheap be cheap wages, but no one's cheap wages now, but as he really had a runoff anyone has anyone ever really give them a run as I mean, I don't even know what position he plays you came in the strike a strike plate the first thing didn't score and he was upset. - for saying so so now there's an argument to say. Well, you gotta look at the management of the time after you got the best out the players because as I said before but be coaching you coaching whether the manager to coach you've got to get the best out the players. Yeah, right. So I'm not sure the every manager or coach has got the best out of all employers who have mentioned them. Not sure they have and then you look at the new ones chosen beneath the striker. So the total gamble on social not sure it's hosting the answer for my pace of him was that machine he was with him was named Michelle is one lucky in play is phenomenally and he wants them and then next thing we are that Aruba. I don't know. I don't know that's not it true that there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. There's ice and players like Bill wants only to cumin 1/2 the class and I don't know. I think I think I think every Club. I mean they'll always be an exception like a way might come about I mean, there's not going to be every week or every year but away might come available. We have to say that way. Yeah. Williams got to bring them back to wherever he ends. I used a leave-in goe score of that year. So I mean and then he's released a one-year didn't he? So you have to take weight, but I don't know about if there's any connection, of course in their in their nana kitchen now, we're not too sure. I don't know what the real dynamics and I'm already don't. Okay. Well, I wait from from ever and then exciting times ahead to you and Robbie Fowler after it has been raw. Yeah. He said you leaving on Monday. We'll called missing you get excited for that challenge. Yeah. It's a it's a great opportunity. So we're going to a club with both a lot of players in and it is an exciting science to put on a stamp of we want to play football. And now we want to run a club. Yeah, you know rubby been mates for the years. I've use and yeah, we play for the city when we were on the let me 10 years old. So we've been friends since I've been ten we live by each other now leveled out by to the last 10 years 15 years. So we we've always been good friends. Ends and spoke a lot for we speak off of Walter. Yeah all the time. Yeah, so they just give you the call and say look I've got this Honeywell with me it was there. I've always been down a cultures roll. I just finished the black pool that's recently but we have always been a coach's role. Robbie's wanting to get into management. He's a pro license Easton's Pro license. So he spent a lot of time doing all those licenses so easy. He was determined to try and give it a shot. Otherwise, it would have been pointless doing as licenses. So he's got the highest level you can have in Europe. Yeah, and now he's going to give himself a an opportunity to be successful. This is what it's got to start somewhere is always going to be your face foot and a lot of somewhere and as happens to be a long way away. Yeah, he's going to say it's not just a career change. It's a lifestyle change using a family down and move away from all words. We're not sure what to do with the family. It's just me and I will go over Monday. Yeah. Number way how what's going to happen but you know what shows out to tell him and we are and you know, we're very open Lads. We've had lots of experiences in our lives and football's globalism. Yeah, we've got a lot to offer. All the kids all over the world. So it's not just in England. So if if a happens to be a civil or opens the door in a different country and so be it. Yeah, all we all do is give it our best shot and we're card for whoever were around at the time. It's a great way of looking at it. Really we won't keep it too much longer be know. You need some time to get ready for the big move just a few more questions. If you don't mind say views on the game now money is thrown about willy-nilly does that does that take priority over coach and you think and as ahead Colton of especially young players when they can just by someone I think money has become a problem. I don't think you're going to fix it. It's how we tell your manager. I think there's some better days agents getting involved in a game. Now. There's more education for the kids or some of these kids might be getting more money, but I think there's more kids. They'll probably more sensible with this money. Mmm. Let's say it all of them are but it's pointless going all about money chains because it's here. It's either say it's only got worse people. Don't get more money. Go fix, it could happen system. Never wear because the Premier League's too big. No, so it'll never work because it's just it's just one of the Premier League the end of the day. He was a young kid leave and she'll see not long ago. It was never kicked a ball because we're going to go to Bayern Munich and that was reportedly a young kids going to get x amount of money. It's just astronomical for not playing a game and if you don't give them it a European club might give them a so because the net has closed on how many elite players there isn't the world's everyone wants them. Yeah, you know what I mean and as an example, I always think earrings. Ow, I think he's such a highly rated great stats and user 23 league in pre-season you all seem to do well, but now we can go and buy gylfi sigurdsson because because the money is there David Moyes had to bring Leon Osman through because he couldn't have gone. I'm bored. Someone on Ozzy was great restrict chances. I don't think that I think if you're good enough you'll get your chance. I think Stephen will you didn't have to bring logic through as you got through because he was good enough player. He got myself through. Yeah. I think your opportunity will be there for these kits all these kids every club now whether it be preseason, that's your chance what you've got to do. You've got to show that you are good enough to go for within the team and maybe I mean, I haven't I haven't watched all these kids daily in training. Maybe maybe they just come up short, you know what I mean? So maybe they just come and show up somewhere and I can happen and that's allowed it's just that what is and then you just waiting for let me think about it. It was the park. They bought like a Steven Gerrard. Who when was the last time we bought one of them through its we haven't the ovens happy. Yeah, because you just waiting for one. So it starts on which culture sometimes it's time. You're waiting for a Robbie Fowler. They are new to Young Tony dancers or young Franny Jeffers or young Steven J. You're waiting for them the city will produce them. Yeah, it's who's going to get them? And when you get them you'll know about it. They won't need to be put in the paper every week play a great claim. They just happen to be playing and the be that goes the rest of them as a process and the process is you'll be getting told in the mesial good the hour when the 12 to 13 the 40 and 50 and 60 and I'm Abby expects that I'd expect in these players, then they'll disappoint you and you would like put the I thought it was brilliant last part. It was remiss it was a young kid. It was Unreal and training. There's that Rooney obviously really just seen by only was in the team of 60. Yeah. So what's happening is very very serious time you look back. So when these Lads get in a 16 year old, we've got something special. Yeah you have and to be fair Rush when you go to see some Russia's goals. Russ had something special. Yeah. So the rest of them, you know, someone who might be all right. Little John Jones. All right, isn't he which runs a shelter now it all depends where you want to get to as a club. Do you want to be in the top four or do you want to be 7th 8th or 9th? Some of these kids a tie for seventh eighth or ninth? But you might be good enough. It's off for I don't know. Yeah, that's just that's just the ongoing process. So keen and will probably come under all ah ya, but I'm sure you'll get another chance simply season because I agree is that ability, but whether he's got enough of more ability than gylfi in a position and not sure. Keaton's I would you if you quote lowland to Sheffield United in the premises if they said we'll take him back but he didn't really play Fish Fu this much when he went alone this time did he was he was in and out here if you look at the start of the think he had many start. So I'm sure someone will take care and whether it'll be a primarily couple not sure but I'm sure someone will take him to have a look at them. But what fully with what the interacting with football is everyone gets older. So now kieran's not that 17 year old boy, you know, actually, I don't know all the bits 21 Maybe 22news should be a man soon having kids soon one of his batch be a new batch coming through then we'll be talking about and that's football. So these Lads it was going on take it and if they're good enough they will and if it does it's just it's just that or Mohammad 80 pounds and 20 for the ghosts are gone. Well, it's gone because it wasn't good enough let alone that's where it's gone is careers going to be probably the championship. Yeah. That's what it's clear probably will be. Member is all these clubs these two inner city and other clubs every played it comes to the academy can all play for that team not impossible. Yeah, so man, you've been great at it over the years the produce players for other clubs, but they produce high level players likes of Michael Keen happened to end up later for those Josh King you place a bomb with the produce a million players who play at a high level? So you're hoping wanted to come through likes of Jesse lingard conversely. You're hoping they come through who can play at a good level. But then you know, once you releasing it open, they can go to a good level which they can so ever and over the years. We have introduced many who go on to have real good careers once release them at a young age. So that's Helen science sometimes or never Kieran going on lowland and mighty bands are gone on long one of the few good proposals on this new low while the Apple thing is You can leave alone six professionals out. Yeah peopie Irwin zoned out so you can bring one back in January. And the other one is if you do Chelsea once at 40 as out on loan, so that idea there to you. Is that a positive idea or well it's a proposal isn't here so there will be a lot of fighting for there will be there'll be an awful lot of not just in this is not just the Chelsea ball for the club's. I don't know ever not quite a lot of lads out alone. Once you have an unknown with the ego so Then it becomes game time for the rest of the largest where they going to get the game time, but the competitiveness going to go or are they gonna fall away because what games the owner of yeah play and sweaty threes football. Once you get a 19 as its it can make it a digression from Improvement. It's ours now cuz you think if three routes on loan, you think they might come back if 40 and out on loan. Yeah, they cannot comment is with from where I play. Is years ago the first team squad was yet? 11 and a few others. Yeah. So if you're young kids doing well, you're way far off it now first in squats 25 players at least so all and 25 ready not know just 12 at 80 or maybe maybe two or three in your position or one or two in your position, but there's another load so it changed its name from Missouri to development league, which is what it is that the development league. It's changed football has changed. Like it all over it's changed. So it's a development Lido. So it gives you the clue what you got to try and do yeah, it's try and develop you haven't got to go on with that. It's just change now to try and develop players. Yeah, so bringing if this comes through some of these Lads are 22 cargo on Lo the attic on play. Well, they're not going to develop are they because the plane in front of no one? Yeah. There's no one to Stadium. To be playing against 15 16 year old players because other clubs want to develop their players. She's just stupid, isn't it? Mmm, it's really end of that progression. Well if I was a 22-year old others Play It Again First play in Liverpool and the other 16 year old kid straight away. I want to kick me with me, but he's planning. He's a senior player. Right? So all of a sudden mentally it's not great for me because I've got to try and work this out and I was up really going to get up for the game. It's a 16 year old kid. I'm 22 Yeah. So realistically you can say as much as they want but it's not real. It's just an Apple. So in the end you just you don't become as good a player you come with us. Yeah. I don't like that. Look forward to after that game now. Monday is equal to same again. Yeah, so I don't think it'll get past but if it does someone will come up with some idea and I don't know what idea that the Babel it won't be great. Yeah, I'll talk Tony it's been brilliant listen to your thoughts on on football and coach and as much as it has for whatever incredible wounds it off of the few more have any questions and then we'll let you go down on their best player. He plays with a negotiate and really simple simple. Yeah. Yeah. I play with some good players. I love speed. Oh, yeah. I love any sound waves. Vinny was a great player people didn't see that he was it was similar to you. I think yeah he was but he's had a lot of quality that but he wants to play Centre mid Joe wants to play and left-wing that wasn't Vinny. Vinny was a Centre midfielder. So Vinny was a Playbook and Ray easy to use your best memory as a never told you as a fan as you know, I am gonna fit I can't even think of an altar. It's about the count even think they even meet up because obviously not every kid would have got a ticket on the other side what the game is other do we? Yeah, but we never take us next to each other and that was what year was that 85? So I was 10. So let's hang it all logical two games at every week, but I'm not sitting next to her for choose that game starts. He's down here in the lower Bollinger there and I was down here. Who are far away from each other don't belong but your that stays with me forever because that was just unique that when you left the Quran that needs to be it still goes on. Will there be I mean, I don't know. I can't remember the Warhol. I just know I just know what I was like, you still my bedroom years ago. I used to get a program and in the middle was a faulty at the player. Yeah, they were all over my room. Yeah. There's a big old thing most motion. Yeah, and I was instantly sends and Duncan scores Georgia and I was like, he's my hero now. I'm only 10 I remember going on right now so I can sleep. Yeah. So God knows how you felt watching the baby in The Game Dev course. Well, he wasn't being older school with Nia and then then days we could talk. Yeah, but all that success we would haven't and we had a good team. This is what I have for some of these kids now because across the park, they're having loads of success and years ago when I was a kid, I could talk about Evan. Yeah. What about the game last night? What about hoop? Saying something I would say in them all over. Yeah, we'll put five past them for fourth step because you move because we could and that's what that's what was harder to get back with me. We all we all have and then these four fingers crossed out here. Okay. I'm the last question your best memory as an Everton player. There's never an employer is the one memory that that comes to mind states away makes you smile in a blue shirt. You know what, you know, what smarter and obviously people would say your debut and all our maximum best memory was the semi-finals doesn't even player. But you passed the Squadron is on the way here for you would think I'd say we need to have you well, it wasn't it was a semi-final because it was unique. It was like looking for that Italian looking forward to a bathroom. It was just it was just seeing the sides of the stadium full turn it over Tottenham. Yeah, and it was just that feeling was just immense so it'd probably be that you know, yeah, I can't I can't argue with any of those answers and become telescope spam in a can Tottenham in the semi-final probably will be like you swap of a cause. My memories are say only say any words. Yeah Tony, it's been a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you very much for joining us across the park and best wishes and I still yeah, well, don't let's welcome. Thank you, very much cheese

In this latest edition of ATP Extra, Millsy is joined by Neil, as they sit down with Everton fan favourite, Tony Grant, a local lad who lived the dream of playing for his boyhood club! In a fascinating episode we take a look back at Tony's time in football, from his childhood growing up in the city, supporting Everton in 1980's and his fond memories of the great Everton sides of the period, including discussion of the famous game against Bayern Munich, to his time as an Everton player and latterly, his career now as a coach. During his time at Everton, Tony played under Mike Walker, Joe Royle and Walter Smith, with all three managers getting discussed and Tony talking about his particular sadness on hearing the news of Joe Royle's sacking. Although not part of the 1995 FA Cup winning side, Tony played in the 4-1 Semi Final win against Spurs, which is covered, and he also mentions his relationships and opinions on some fellow players including Andrei Kanchelskis, Neville Southall, Kevin Campbell and Duncan Ferguson and the impacts that their leaving/signings had on the club and it's fans. Time spent under Steve McMahon at Swindon is covered, with the episode then progressing to talk about Tony's current career as a coach, with his views on the modern game, differences between academy and first team coaching, scouting for Steve Walsh and his opinion on Steves time at Everton, all notable points. The episode closes with a chat about Tony's continued ambitions in the game and his exciting new role, as assistant coach to Robbie Fowler at Brisbane Roar in Australia. An episode not to be missed by any Evertonian!

Welcome to the speech uncensored podcast. I am Lee Ann Porter a medical speech and language pathologist interested in learning more about our vast scope of practice and sharing that information with you. This podcast was created to inspire and nurture speech and language Pathologists at every stage of their practice. I just want to connect you with actionable Intel so that your practice can flourish because knowing best practice and doing best practice can beTwo very separate things. So let's connect those dots today's episode is bringing the realness on assessing functional needs in the adult neurological population the ultra fabulous Sarah bar from honeycomb speech therapy is back for her third appearance on the speech uncensored podcast. I have thoroughly enjoyed getting to know Sarah and her work better and let me tell you Sarah has a heart for connecting and equipping slps with actionable best practice materials. That suit a variety of settings like acute outpatient home hell's all those things. So if this is an area that you want to improve on then reach out to her she wants to come alongside you and equip you to use the tools that she's pulled from the literature so that you can do your job with ease. Okay, so that's like enough for me. Let's let's get into the material with Sarah. Well, welcome back to the podcast Sarah. Thank you so much Lee and it's so nice to be here again. I've had such a fun time recording with you. And I think today is really going to round out the discussions that we've had so far. Yes, I'm really excited. I loved how we started with making meaningful Aphasia therapy and then moving on to functional cognitive therapy. And now we're going to be looking at discovering functional needs through assessment and dynamic assessment period It's so I'm here for it. I'm ready Sarah take it away first in case this is ever if this is the first time people are meeting you go ahead and introduce yourself. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself. Perfect. Okay, so, my name is Sara bar. I am a clinical SLP. I've been working for the cash. I'm just starting my 12th year and I have been able to work across all the settings acute care Inpatient Rehab Outpatient Therapy Home and Community and two years ago. I started my own private practice which allowed me to also work on my website and blog called honeycomb speech therapy.com. And that is a place where I blog and have therapy materials for slps and the focus of functional therapy and how we can do more meaningful and relevant therapy for adult rehab I know in my first five years or so. Of practice. I was really heavily focused on just you know, doing worksheet therapy and playing games and cards and all of that stuff and really just kind of felt this Gap in what I was doing in like I was not really fully using the time I had with patients to their best benefit and so it started me on a really twisty turny journey toward person-centered care. I really didn't even know what that term meant, but I did know that People responded best to functional therapy and so I learned everything I learned from the whole process from assessment to therapy to home programs in a really disorganized way. And so now I find it so fun to be able to talk about functional person centered therapy and present it in a more organized way for people so that they can really take away these practical tips and tricks and know what they can do and the settings there and that will really work to get them. Up to meet functional needs for patients. Well Sarah, I am a hundred percent indebted to you for doing all the hard work cleaning it up and packaging it up so pretty so that I can benefit from it and hopefully everybody else is listening in tuning in. You're the best. I love it. Oh, thank you so much. It really is my pleasure. And I really just have so much fun doing this stuff. So so I thought today, you know, my first couple episodes with you. I was able to talk about the actual therapy. Time and how we're using evidence-based interventions to meet those functional needs but then I like to start with that because it really gets people thinking about how therapy can look different and then unnatural next question is like well, okay, where do I start Ben and I think that's the perfect question because people are recognizing. Yeah. So if you want to do that more functional person-centered approach to therapy your assessment is going to look a little bit different than maybe what we Traditionally done because I really believe that that assessment and goal-setting sets you up for a really easy transition to doing functional therapy. And if you don't use the best therapy techniques or in your assessment, then it's going to be really hard to think of how you can meet functional needs in therapy. So what we're going to do today is we're just going to talk about an article that I sent. I'll put that in the link. I'll give you the link for that so you can put it in your show notes. Yes, thank you. And so we'll send our first little chunk of time talking about the article so we can think about what best practices are for assessing the neuro population and then following that I really wanted to go through in-depth and give you guys some specific examples of like Real tools that I use in my assessment and what's really working for me. And so we'll talk about three different things. Awesome. Okay, let's go. I'm sad I got my paper and my pain I'm ready. Okay, the article that I wanted to talk about today is an article from a ncds and I think the last podcast episode I botched what that stood for. So I have it today, so it broke go back to me about the same place. Intense learn from my errors. Exactly. So anyone else is listening and CD s stands for the Academy of neurologic communication disorders and Sciences and they have put out some really cool reviews of different topics. And I've found a lot of their articles helpful. So this article is actually from 2005 and so the information in here has even progressed further from what's listed in the article today, but it's a really good starting point and really The ending how you know that these recommendations have been around for over a decade now and I think our clinical practice still needs to catch up to this. So it's it's called non standardized assessment approaches for individuals with traumatic brain injury and I should say that this group of authors also put out another companion report about standardized assessment approaches. And that's a good article to check out also good. Yeah. That other article do they name specific assessments and talk about like their pluses and minuses like what they're good for, you know have caution in these areas that kind of a thing. Yeah. It did that in the non-standardized areas. I'm wondering if they copied that formula for their standardized paper. They did do that it they because the basis or how they started this article was doing a big survey to other slps and so they took the information what are slps using and then they kind of Went further down that route. So yes, it would be worth checking out. Okay, good. Yeah. So, um, so just to clarify then so when we're thinking about our assessment process, I'll tell you kind of how I how I started my career. We would really heavily focused on the apparent level testing. And so whether that meant doing the Montreal cognitive assessment or the Western Aphasia battery or the scan An or the favors, I mean, there's all these different standardized tests that we can do and what kind of became the culture at the places that I worked was get those test scores and even I have memories of working an Inpatient Rehab and patients would be there for less than a week and we would send three of those days giving them battery after battery of every different standardized tests. And what were missing here then is what the best practices are telling us. It's not telling us don't do the standardized test. Definitely there is a place for standardized tests. And I just want to clarify. I'm not staying, you know, toss the standardized test. Those are useless. They do have a place but they really aren't everything and too often. That's the only thing we're focused on getting and it really makes us miss a lot of valuable information. And so this article is talking about the non-standardized. As portion of your assessment and that really that is a best practice in something that is recommended for the brain injury population. If you look at the literature for Aphasia doing non standardized assessment for Aphasia is recommended basically, even in in the Pediatric populations, like the autism population all of the standards for the patients that we treat and Speech Pathology. Man that we also focus on non standardized assessment. And so we're going to break it down. We're going to look at this article and say okay. What are we even meaning when we say non standardized assessment. It certainly doesn't mean like willy nilly just have conversation with somebody and see what you can glean from that and I want to stress that that when I do the non-standardized portion of the test, there's still an organization to what is being done. There's an efficiency. You know what you're looking for. Or it's not just this completely disorganized like well, yeah, then we chatted for about 20 minutes. And this is what I noticed. So, I hope that's reassuring to people because some people I think just want to have more of that structure for an assessment and I've definitely found for myself that there's some great tools out there that we can use that would be classified under non standardized assessment. Okay. So when we're looking at this article, first of all, let's review. Why are they telling us we need to do non-standardized assessment? Why can we not just do the you know, the Western Aphasia battery or the scan and just use those scores alone? Well, it's being that when they've done these systematic reviews about how testing results match up to how someone's actually functioning in there. Everyday life the testing results from standardized testing aren't telling you some really important things. They are not really telling you how things like conversation or functioning with a communication partner is going there is the studies have ample amount of Studies have shown that There's a gap between how someone tests and how their real-world functioning is going. And even since this article has been published. There's been more and more testing to show that when we are only marking the impairment for somebody like, oh they have moderate memory impairments that that does not correlate with somebody's activity and participation so we can't assume. Oh, hey they got you they did moderately poor. And this memory tasks, what does that really tell you about how they're able to make their grocery list at home or remember how to call their kids? And on the flip side of that they talked about how certain people might test within functional limits on our assessments and perform and be judged to be have intact skills in the clinical setting but they're noted to be impaired in the home setting and the patient's telling you these things the family members are telling you these things like this is what's going wrong at home and you're like, but my standardized assessment says you're fine. Call your OB V. I don't know what to do with you now, you know, and that's where these types of non standardized assessments. Dynamic assessments really come into play totally totally. Yeah and I think on some level if you think about all the different patients you've seen like when I when I read this I'm like, yeah that actually does make sense. Like I've seen people with dementia who will have severe impairments on impairment level testing, but then I'm observe them in their home and they can be used for coffee maker and feed their pet those routine things are actually still going. Okay, and then I've seen patients post concussion. Who will do really well on standardized testing, but then just be crying and devastated. My life's falling apart. I can't even respond to my emails, you know, so that's just kind of an example of there really isn't discrepancy between how the impairment level testing is and how someone's real life is going and you don't know unless you do some of these non standardized test methods. Yeah, just love the freedom that this article gives to us, too. Gives us permission to try some of these real life things in context and know that this is still a valid way to assess somebody this is supported by the literature in our field. So the article goes through a few different definitions of standardized testing and the one that I use a lot is just called Dynamic testing and what that means is you're going to observe them do a task. So for example, I'm going to think about somebody in a hospital setting and I might have them during my assessment. I might say hey have you been able to use your TV remote in the hospital? I've worked at is kind of part of the call light turning the TV on and off and so then if they say, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's been fine. Then I might say, okay great. Why don't you show me how you do that? And so then I'll watch them do it. And if I notice any let's just giving me the contextual situation to notice while might be going on. Do they know where to look are they confused and pressing the wrong buttons? Do I had to are they kind of losing attention partway through your kind of gathering all of that information that you don't know by just get asking the question alone or by doing impairment impairment level testing alone. And then the other part of the dynamic testing, is that right in that moment. You can try a strategy and see if it improves their performance. So I always now have like sticky. Notes in it or like painters tape in my in my pockets because I like to use them to just cover things up or simplify simplifies at ask someone's doing so if I saw somebody pull out their call light and then they were really confused about wow. There's you know, 15 buttons on here. I don't know which one to use for my TV. Maybe I did cover up the other buttons with a sticky note and say okay. Let's try that again. Can you can you turn your TV on for? And then boom if it works then that's all been part of that Dynamic assessment and the information I have is a they weren't really able to consistently participate in the activity of turning on and off their TV and be they're going to benefit from some environmental modifications and there. I have a goal that I could use in therapy. So that's kind of in a nutshell the what the dynamic assessment process means to me. Me something else that I thought was kind of neat in the article. Was it really made a point to talk about our our need to have awareness of what the purpose is for the assessment that if you know many times if you're you know on the front line like acute care you are purpose might be the actual Diagnostics. You're evaluating somebody for the first time and you're really figuring out what's going on. But if Seen somebody even at the next phase in patient rehab or the home setting you may be your purpose might differ a little bit and you might not be so focused on all of that. Testing might be more focused on. Okay, what are going to be the safe discharge recommendations or you know, what? What do you still need to improve upon to get back to work or that sort of thing and I and I wanted to share just an example from my own life. Life my own clinical practice a to show why this having this purpose in mind really matters. And so this is somebody I saw within the past year and this gentleman was diagnosed with moderate dementia. His family had noticed him declining as he lived in independent living and they so they brought him to a neuropsychologist. So the neuropsychologist completed day long Battery of tests and diagnose him with moderate to severe. I think he was in the moderate to severe range and the neuropsychologist report said he recommended speech therapy as this gentleman then transitioned to Assisted Living to help him with setting up his home environment for better functioning improving word finding for family members that sort of thing. It was a great report from the just I thought because you know, they don't always include those things and it was just sad on hmm. Well this report first went to a large rehab system and what what the speech pathologist was unable to do is to recognize the different purpose that this assessment was supposed to serve and so instead the initial speech pathologist that saw this patient just repeated all of the standardized. That the neuropsychologists had done. And in fact, it didn't even invite the family members into the room with the patient. And so the report just included all of the same information that the neuropsychologist report included and it didn't include any functional information about you know, could he use his phone to call somebody or did he have to manage any of his ADL still? We didn't know the family wasn't super happy about that and you No, we can kind of see why because it seemed like a duplication of services in that in that case. And from there the patient got referred to me in my private practice. And so what I did then instead of repeating all of that standardized testing because that wasn't the purpose the purpose wasn't to see where he was, you know impairment wise that that information was available to us already. The purpose was to see what kind of strategies and supports may be beneficial. To him and his home and so I did more of that Dynamic assessment. We looked at the pictures he had in his home of all of his grandkids and I saw how many names he could come up with easily. And then I added a little label below the photos in Saw. Yep, readings and tacked in that helped him get the, you know, get all of the names in a minute. And so we went through all of his different ADL areas like we looked at how he was maintained. Meaning feeding his pet and making his coffee in the morning and finding activities within his facility and it was a contextual evaluation and we use that Dynamic approach where if something didn't go well I could use the time to try a strategy and that was giving me really specific ideas of the goals. I was going to set and how I was going to use my therapy time going forward. So I hope I just think to give a specific example of how the Purposes have looked for me. And so in that article when they talk about the different purposes. I hope that that gives you an idea of one way that I've applied doing doing things differently because the purpose is different. 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So join me Michelle and Marisha my other podcast host as we balance excellent ceu opportunities with some sweet vacate. I'm on a very large boat. Be sure to visit speech therapy PD.com / cruise to learn more and sign up. I'll see you there. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean obviously we don't want to be someone who's just going to duplicate Services. We want to know what are the actionable ways we can meet this patient's needs and their own personal goals and aligning that with what we've been taught and what we think our job is and helping them is pretty crucial bridge to cross I think about that. I think you I feel like you're pretty lucky and that you're able to go with the patient their family into their home and really Like see the whole nine yards and really get functional and I think about applying that for me and outpatient setting I just have to go based on report and sometimes just the patient's report and they might not be giving me the most accurate information for a variety of factors. So, yeah, so yeah, I and I worked in I've done like, you know outpatient or Inpatient Rehab for probably eight years or so, so I definitely feel the pressure. Pain that you have and I will acknowledge like oh, yeah going right into someone's home or Community is you know, you could just so readily see what the needs are. Whereas you always have that feeling of like am I really getting the full picture here when they're coming into your space? And so yeah, this is just kind of off a script for me, but I'll give you guys just a few tips and tricks that have worked for me. So one is I as anytime Possible. I assigned for homework for them to bring in their own stuff into my speech therapy room. And so I've had people bring in their TV remotes to my outpatient therapy room and we modify it so that they can sequence the buttons better that might mean, you know covering up the other buttons or putting a label on like on and off whatever is going to work for that patient or any time possible. I try to get out of my quiet. Each therapy room and go to just more realistic setting to practice things. So when I was doing Outpatient Therapy, I was in a kind of a larger hospital. So we had the opportunity to go in like noisy therapy gym or the cafeteria or a Starbucks and just practice some of the techniques we were working on in a noisier environment people often times will have some form of a smartphone knees. Days, and they have pictures on them. And so rather than using my phone prompts or picture cards. I always try to see if they have pictures on their phone that we can use as a conversation starter. It's just something that's built into today's world for the most part and that's just one way that has helped me be a little bit more functional and then the other is your mind blown right now. We are sorry. I know I'm I mean over like our You like my mind's exploding like sir. This is so good. So I'm like cracking her up on the side for the focus here and then you know, just the last tip I have off the tip of my head here is anytime so you have the patient you're feeling like you're getting this unreliable history. You just don't know use your therapy time with the patient to call staff member or the family member on speakerphone and that's something yeah, you have to adjust. You're the way you're talking a little bit because you can't maybe directly ask the family member, you know, you have to kind of ask it in a sensitive way, but I find that you can do that pretty easily like hey, Tommy and I are sitting here. He says his school work has been going awesome since he's been back to school. He hasn't had any memory challenges with turning his homework in on time. Is that what you've been noticing? Also? I always like to hear it from two people, you know, and so you You have that discussion that way and I just get out my phone all the time to call doctors with patients or family members or whoever so that just to maintain productivity and efficiency. You're getting that stuff done during your session. And that is a valuable part of your session to make sure you're getting the correct information. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Thank you Sarah like these things are you know, I like to think of them as like those obvious like Common Sense things, but literally I hadn't thought. About some of those things so thank you. Yes, I know simple is good. And I'm that's the sort of stuff that I like to sew. Okay. So what I want to do now is use the article to talk about three things that I do during my assessment process to help discover functional needs and remember I'm a clinical SLP like you guys so doing this efficiently and easily is Paramount for me just like you guys so the first First thing that I do when I need a patient is I do what I call a functional needs interview. And so this is the very first thing that I do I'm not diving into standardized testing, but I actually have a new packet on my website honeycomb speech therapy called discovering functional needs and I've really shaped out what these interviews look like across a variety of settings. So I'm going to give you guys an example. I have a new patient. Day that I'm going to go see and this is a brain injury patient who this is what I know about her. She she wants to get back to work within the next month and she's that she went through hospitalization Inpatient Rehab home health. And so now I'm coming into the scene. And so the things that I'm going to do with her right away is I'm going to be talking about what does her job look like and I have a functional needs interview that I've set up in this is really an efficient way for me to gather information about the skills that she needs to do for her job. So I'm going to ask about meetings emails customer service managing inventory or numbers. I've heard from one report. That kind of numbers was a tricky thing for her and so we'll talk about exactly what she needs to do for work and we'll use that Dynamic assessment where I will have her. Practice some of that stuff like oh, okay. So maybe she'll tell me. Yeah when I answer when I call somebody on the phone, I need to be giving them five digit codes for the supplies that we need. And so we'll kind of simulate that in practice and then I'll be able to know. Okay, where is the break down? Why are you having difficulty with us the article that we're talking about explains why it's so important to kind of role play and do some of this content. Textual observation because even with the case of someone needed to report numbers over the phone if they say that's been difficult you need to know. Okay, is it is it a physical thing that could be fixed? Like I've had people who just simply needed their phone microphone closer to their mouths. So somebody could understand them or is it that they are, you know saying the wrong numbers. Is that something we need to This is that the reading the wrong numbers wrong and having them written out and words would work better than the actual numbers. I mean, there's like a lot of different ways and you won't really have an idea of how to start or what to start unless you practice that a little bit in therapy and just kind of give it your best guess. Okay, so the the functional needs interview is what I start with when I work with patients and that like I mentioned it's basically a checklist where you can efficiently go through what someone may need to be able to do and what's important to them and that gives you your need from there. Then you'll be able to apply an intervention to that need. So then the second part of the second tip I wanted to share with you guys is how I am. Ask these questions to patients and motivational interviewing is a technique that has been developed for many different fields. Not just speech therapy, but it has been applied to our field as a good fit for person centered care and just for helping discover patient needs because it's evidence-based for helping patients recognize the change that they want to make. So we all know those patients who really aren't interested in speech therapy, and we know that if we are just trying to be persuasive or putting it on someone it's really probably not going to end up going anywhere. Great. Yeah. Yeah, and I think when I first started doing speech therapy because you're working with the neurologically impaired population. You kind of have that idea where you have to be a little bit blunt and in your face like Actually, no you didn't do well on this you missed three of these questions and I can tell your memory is not working how it needs to do like we would say statements more like that. And I've really tried to change since I learned about motivational interviewing and I really wanted to just go through and tell you guys a little bit about what motivational interviewing and Tails. Okay. So this is basically built on freezing your statements in Four main areas and when you say these statements the idea behind them is always expressing empathy developing discrepancy. So if the patient like says they want to change something like oh, yeah. I wish that I was doing a better job not losing my tools at home, but then they say, oh, yeah, but I don't want to try any of that stuff. You said you're kind of just developing the discrepancy. So you say oh, yeah, so you would like To be functioning better at home. But this this technique that I mentioned isn't seemed like a good fit for you. But ultimately you do want to be functioning better and making statements like that. It helps them realize and internalize what they want to change instead of using like, well listen, you said you wanted to change this is the way we're going to do it. Okay. And so and anytime you have resistance, they just say roll roll with resistance and so without into in your face or trying to convince them one way or the other you're just kind of rolling with resistance and I like that they say you can you can do this by using open-ended questions. And so today when I meet my new evaluation one of the first things that I'm going to ask her is, what is the most important for you to know today? And the reason I'm choosing that is because when I was scheduling the Made with her today, I could tell there was a lot of frustration and anxiety about her plan for going back to work. And so I want to make sure today as I'm established in my role with her that that's like the first question she hears from you as you know, okay, what is most important for you to know today? Another way you can use motivational interviewing is to use affirmations. And so you're just affirming and helping that person. I feel heard and so I might say you are a really hard worker and it's important for you to show your boss that you want to get back to work and just kind of recognize why there's some anxiety in her about about this work topic that we'll be discussing today and it really is amazing how you know, this is just a general life too. But when people feel heard and validated then they open up more. Our and give you more information and so as you go through and use these techniques you will be surprised to sound so simple when I'm talking about but this is using this style of talking patients. Just go to the next level and kind of give you that next need to so I really love I love this technique Reflections is another Technique we can use in the statements that we're making and so your if they're talking about something you're just stuck like kind of reflecting back like it sounds like you want to be doing more social outings, but you don't feel as confident as you used to you just kind of give you that information and reflecting back the emotions that you're recognizing and then the last kind of technique that they promote in motivational interviewing is called summarizing and so, you know if the patient It kind of just goes into this whole deep-dive of emotions and not sure what they're wanting or they're upset about something. You kind of helped bring it back by giving it a central summary and a focus and so you have you been talking about you want to get back to work and you're not sure if you're open to do it using strategies to get back to work. And so that's kind of where we're at and you just kind of give a nice summary like that. I am my website. I'm actually I have a packet of like a freebie of statements that use that people can use in speech therapy with the motivational interviewing technique. I just kind of typed up like two pages of statements that you can make. I know when I started using motivational interviewing and still today. It's like I'm tired my brains frazzled. I forget just how to say things just right and so I Actually typed up these questions and ways to use the motivational interviewing technique and I'd love to share it with anybody else who would like that and so they'll be able to find that on my website. So Okay. So we've covered then when I do the evaluation, I'm using motivational interviewing techniques. I use a functional needs interview. And then the last thing I wanted to talk about was using what's called person centered outcomes. Sometimes they're just abbreviated as PCOS. And again, I have a list on my website that's free. If you want to see a bunch of different person centered outcomes. What these are is they're a little bit different than like a questionnaire which the article talks a lot about questionnaires. But since this article came out, we've actually Progressed in people are doing more what's called person centered outcomes in their statements that the patient can fill out that they rate a statement from like maybe 0 to 4. And so there's a score associated with all of these statements that are talking about activity and participation. So I have found them very helpful because when you go through these you actually have a score out of 30 points and then you can use that too. Set a goal for in your goal setting and you actually have a quantifiable number that relates to their actual activity and participation. And as I as I became aware of these it's really cool because they're coming out with more and more of these here, but what I started to I took like an entire day like 8 hours like okay. I am going to find these PCOS and what ones can we actually use in therapy because when they started getting developed there's some really Good ones that are so thorough but they might have 50 questions in them. And you know, we know that in the medical setting like we just don't have time to go through that sort of thing. And in addition to the other things we need to accomplish in the evaluation. And so the list that I've compiled on my website, I really said, okay, this is for sure going to take 10 minutes or less and it's got to be free because a lot of them are available for purchase. Purchase but like a shy has a few of them, but they might be a hundred dollars and I really focused in on where are they? Where can we find this in an article that we could then print out in use and that they're highly usable in the medical settings that were in so just some to give you guys an idea of one of those today and if you've got if you're interested in seeing more than check out my website. Okay, so the one that and I didn't print out, I think this one just Amount in 2018. It's called the communicative participation item bank. So they you know, everything has to be abbreviated in our field. So they abbreviate that CPI be and there's a short form and so whenever I see short form, I'm like, yep, that's the one and so this short form is you can find this for free and I'll have the link to this also and it has 10 questions. And you can talk you can talk this through with a patient or they could just fill it out if they're able to like read and answer these and they rate each question as not at all a little quite a bit or very much and then each of those has a point 3 2 1 or 0 points. So they might ask questions like oh, I guess I should first say the communicative participation item Bank was normed on a variety of diagnoses like ALS Ms. Head and neck cancer. So I think it's kind of a cool one because it's not even just talking about like dysarthria. Oh, it's really they tried to make one a little bit more broad for different populations. And so again, it would be highly. Isabel in medical settings because you could use it for a variety of Diagnostics and Sarah who made this one that one you know what I don't have it pulled up. I just printed out the short form. I'll have to let me send you the link to that because I don't have them come first. The author's name is not on the actual form, but I'd love to send you the link to the article to okay. Sure. Yeah, that'd work. So the patient may will go through these questions and it says does your Russian interfere with talking with people, you know, and so then they rate that does it interfere with communicating when you need to say something quickly or communicating when you're out in your community errands or appointments. How about asking questions in a conversation? How about having a long time verse ation with someone, you know about a book movie show or sports events. And so that's just kind of giving you guys the flavor. Of how these PCOS work. It's really cool because you not only then get a score when you're done, but you are seeing oh, okay. So you are pretty happy with everything but you are not happy with how you're doing talking with people about sports and having a longer conversation. So it's an efficient way to figure out what that need is sometimes people don't know to say those sort of of things when you just ask them that open-ended question. And so I especially like doing these when people haven't been able to just come up with and give you that information alone. It gives them a little bit more of a focus that they have to respond to. Yeah, and then when I sold this one for example has 30 points total and they so 30 30 points is the best you can score and so I may then set a goal that the patient will And the patient will indicate that they have improved communicative participation by an improved score on the CPI be and their Baseline score is maybe a 20 out of 30. And so then if I would really give that in four weeks and I would want it to be higher than 20 points. So that's just an example of how you can use this hand tie it into kind of a more functional goal to all right, so okay man, I think I'm kind of wrapping up here. So we talked about then those really three areas that I hit before. I do standardized testing. So I do my functional needs interview, I use motivational interviewing techniques and then I may choose to do a An outcome and then at that point is when I bring in standardized testing that applies or will give me more information and fill out what I need to know to meet those functional needs. Okay? All right. Yeah that really helps kind of seeing that outline and how one Builds on the other to let you know, you know what this assess this standardized assessment in my tool bag would really help kind of flesh out some of the other areas that they were talking about where some of their problems are there concerns. Earns. Yeah, rather than using the standardized assessment to be like I see that you know, you have a memory issue but they're more concerned about something on well-rounded. Yeah. It's really like a flip. So instead of us assessing everything and then telling them what they have problems in your kind of asking what parts of your life have been impacted and then I've had people where I it's obvious that they have memory impairments and oh, yeah, you know, I'm Forgetting my car my car keys. I'm leaving it around the house and different places, but then they express that that's just not a priority for them to work on and so it really is a different mindset to kind of let that go and be okay with okay. Well, if you ever change your mind about that that's something we could work on but let's focus on the things that are important to you. Okay. So for your functional needs interview do you have nothing, like typed out like a guide and outline that you follow or have you just been kind of doing it so much now that you can just yeah go on I do and so this is this new packet on my website is called Discovery and functional needs and so I made these kind of like like a checklist but their spots to write in more information and then it prompts you how to have the patient demonstrate a skill and so like for example if I'm seeing somebody in the hospital I have And a one-page checklist that I go through things that they need to do in that setting. So can you use your call light? Can you use the menu to order food? Can you ask the nurse if you needed something? What would you what would you do right now if you were cold and so I kind of have these one-page checklist that I've made that you ask the patient a question, but then also have them demonstrate and so I have one specifically for patients who are getting back to work. And so today that's that's the one I'm going to be using for for the for the woman because I just know from our phone call that that is her highest priority. Yeah, I've noticed that some patients can do really really well with verbal reasoning skills. I might present a scenario a problem and I'm like, okay tell me some ways that you might try to solve that problem and they can they'll be able to verbalize the steps even and tell me what they would do but I'll get feedback from PT and OT and they're like they Figure out how to get dressed. They can't sequence the steps to put their clothes on right now. That's what we're working on in those disciplines and I'm like, wow, I feel like I gave them some high-level stuff and they knocked it out of the park. Yeah them demonstrate anything for me. I didn't have them show me those skills. So yeah, just thinking about like the classic example of asking patients. Okay. What what what number would you call if there was an emergency right A lot of times I do. In my small kids can say 9-1-1 do I think that they would actually be able to call 9-1-1. I really don't and a lot of times. I mean I have I have done the like those sort of scenarios where you know, there's an alarm going off. What are you going to call or I've oh, I've locked my keys in the car at somebody's house. What are we going to do? You know, I do these pretend scenarios. I just kind of think doing stuff like that. It's fun just to Someone would actually respond but yeah, there is sometimes that discrepancy between giving the answer and then actually doing it. Hmm. Yeah for sure and then so where did you learn and start to become familiar with and learn how to do motivational interviewing techniques? Yeah. I'm trying to think of when I first I feel like a lot of our kind of head researchers mentioned this a tional interviewing technique, but I wasn't really sure what exactly entailed. Dr. Audrey Hollins book about counseling includes that idea of things and then there is a great article specifically for our field for motivational interviewing see if I can click find it here. Yeah, so there's a article called motivational interviewing practical strategies for speech-language Pathologists and audiologists. And that was written by Lou Ann McFarland. And that I thought was a really good article for applying it to our field because the other stuff I had read just kind of was a little bit more broad. Hmm. Okay. Yeah, so like some direct application to how we we with slps. What implemented. Kind of making the case of why it matters so much also, so yeah, it's a very readable article awesome. Okay. Well Sarah, once again, I've spent the last 45 50 minutes just having my mind blown. I'm talking about this stuff really excited about looking up these different areas and the CPI be or the CPI call the CPI bank. Now, I just learned about it as people say it. I don't know. I I've heard anyone let's let's aside What's called the CPI Bank, we're doing it we go usually do things and distort them and confuse people. So that's just me, but I'm really excited. A lot of this is really new information to me and I am really pumped about learning more about it going through those links that you sent me and then putting it into practice and I know it's going to be bumpy and like you said on our last episode, you know, pick one thing and focus on that and then you get comfortable with that you Learn more from it then you can you can adjust adjust one more thing and then just keep slowly add more if we try to do a complete 180 we might fall apart. Exactly. No, no need to fall apart. And yeah, I did want to just give one piece of encouragement specifically for this assessment process to and I like to remind people you don't have to know everything you just have to know something and so you really don't have to know every single functional need for somebody you just have to know like one or two. Things that you can start with and then that's going to open the door and lead to the to the next few as therapy goes on. So, you know just take the pressure off like knowing every single possible thing they need to do and just pick a couple to start with. Yeah. Absolutely. That's right because you know, it would overwhelm your patient to if you're like, here are the 10 things we're going to address and they're like, whoa. Yes. No pick the one that matters most of them that you feel like you'd be able to make good gains on because you know, People are encouraged by that success if they make success in one area, they can snowball that other areas. All right, Sarah. 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Hi, Merry, Christmas. Merry mined gold Christmas from Glen Eden Auckland. This is a spontaneous episode with my dear brother. His name is Stephen. Hi, Steven. Hi Sarah. How's it going? So good, mate. How are you? Not bad. So we are sitting in the basement of my parents place where we both grew up on a couch, which we've just discovered has mold on it. My parents are totally gonna listen to this episode 2. So guys if you catch his mold onYou might want to clean it. Just FYI. We're surrounded by a DVD collection and we're like meters from my old bedroom with some shit went down. Welcome the day later my bedroom. We also lighter my brother's bedroom with notion. Nothing. We did. Our thing would have gone down ever, LOL. Anyway, it's Christmas Day and we're just enjoying a casual beer and some Ferrara row shares and I thought Stephen should be on the podcast for a few reasons. Like what is my brother? So obviously that's pretty cool too. He's a ringer. So that's a bit special for him. And also he is probably going to the Olympics which is pretty epic like for reals, like as a weightlifter people often don't understand my support and they're like, oh Sarah is going to the Olympics and it's really embarrassing because I have to correct them very quickly and be like, no I'm not know. This is literally like recreational I take my spot very seriously, but I'm not very good at it. I'm not going to the Olympics like if it ever ever ever, so please do not say that it's very very thing. He however is probably go to the Olympics so definitely worth an episode and a conversation. So why did you tell everyone why you're going to the Olympics? Okay Ava well, probably probably going as a bit of a stretch it's possible, but it's still it's still a ways away. But anyway, I do a tree so I've been competing that I start been doing actually since I was 13, so 17 17 years with with a small break a couple of years ago when I owned a gym which will probably get back to at some stage. Yeah, he beat me at my own goal of owning a CrossFit gym, which is not my goal anymore. But it was I can tell you how it how it works out. So yeah, probably don't don't open a CrossFit gym. Well open a CrossFit gym if you like Crossing, yeah, don't open one if you don't Probably know that you've already got a full-time job as well. Yeah, anyway Lessons Learned. So anyway, I've been shooting pretty consistently at a high level since I was about 13 or 14. I there's a we explain this before Thomas are about this. So just like just like lifting there's a whole bunch of lifting right power lifting body building all these various things only one of them goes the Olympics weightlifting the one I do ya want you to I want to go to the Olympics. No, I might die. That person don't be there fucking person if I could deal with that shit you do too. A free Society is a whole bunch of different versions of that tree is a whole bunch of different divisions and bow types and classes and organizations that compete and only one of those goes the Olympics which is a recurve archery often known as Olympic recurve just like weight lifting is Olympic weightlifting. And so after I was shooting for about six years just in a normal and pick type of archery. I want to will title and some nonsense no one cares about how that's pretty cool. I care about it. I'm sure our listeners through a dad. Dad. Listen Sokka Yeah, he might care about anyway, I don't care about some wasn't that big a deal but I change to I meet a new coach and he changed me to the class that could go to the Olympics with the goal of shooting in London and 2012. So I was just finishing high school and I finished high school or my dear parents wanted me to go to university and be the good boy and rack up some debt and can I just say that I went to University and I got literally no fucking props for that. Because I was such a little can't before I went to University that it was like you just fucked it. I'll just such an excellent brat. So for those that haven't even seen Sierra and I together you really should because you'll think we were adopted. It's kind of brilliant. We have a similar sense of humor. I think. Yeah we do but we don't look very similar. I have zero tattoos, for example, and well, she's quite outgoing and you know, lots of a row. I was afraid of balloons until embarrassingly old age because so glad you said the Pilon thing. I was scared of balloons and answering the phone and just talking on the phone and general one time. My parents sent me to the dairy to buy some cream. They didn't give me enough money to pay for it and the Very person took the money and said that's not enough and I shat myself and ran home and he's actually shoot yourself my figuratively God, but I was afraid of going to the dairy for about two years. So Missing parenting can swing wildly different directions. Whereas I was like smoking cigarettes out of your bedroom window when you were at school. Yeah, so that would be blamed on you. Should I be discovered because I knew I didn't have a set for this but it was really obvious that it was me. Especially when Mom saw me standing on your bed smoking out the window, so I don't even know that I'm not the worst thing ever. No definitely not. So anyway, it gives you all. Insight into how my brain works always always like got on. Oh, yes got on. We've always got on. It's just that you were too cool for me and I was afraid of balloons and I can accept that. I've never been called. I just had some sometimes anyway if I can die. Anyway, we all head out. We had our issues we chose to deal with them in different ways. My way was shooting arrows at Targets and pulling them out again and doing it again. I know I was always like super envious of your relationship with Dad because basically like Stephen and dads like Like archery thing was like this little like fucking boy club like bonding thing like back when Steven was younger and I like just didn't get it coated because I was too busy like, you know smoking so he's and like passion boys and like Parks so I didn't get to do that. And then now Stephens go to the Olympics and I'm not bitter. I'm just saying I got I got I got I got taught how to bow hunt by guy that turned out to be a pedophile. So this is a really good story. Okay. So this is the best story. Okay. So when Steven was like how old were you 14 like? Okay. So like pedophile like a wide range. Well a bit old anyway, but you know that look at different types. Like everyone's got types of files would have type. I was probably quite underdeveloped. So perhaps probably about here only looked about ten like at least an 11 year old. Anyway, there was like this older man at the archery club who talk like a real interest in him and was like giving him all these private tutorials Etc and me and Mom were like, well, he's obviously a pedophile I'll like clearly and me and Dad were like no, he's just a nice guy got super pissed off and like all you guys just being like really judgmental and like there's nothing wrong with like an older man taking interest in like a younger boy. How bad is that sentence though? Like obviously you're but we call this is going to sound so bad it took offense to mums saying like, oh, he's got all these markers. He's got all the warning signs. We like red flag. He was like a pedophile red flag. That's because he was single and anyway, and that he was a pedophile anyway, but you know the biggest red flag. Us know when he actually got convicted of being a pedophile me to present that that was probably the biggest I will admit it raised some concerns did raise some questions. But anyway, me and Mum were more like happy that we were right then like concerned that Steven may have gotten molested and are you don't start imagining things? No Christmas Day reveal? No. No. No, so skipping skipping a year or so Jays to anyone who's triggered by this I should have said that at the beginning. Yeah. I didn't realize we're gonna get into the whole Passage. Situation you were yeah, this is going in it's a very important part of my archery development. Imagine if he could see you now, he wouldn't he wouldn't be key. Now you're too old. I don't know. But yeah, so anyway, as you are missing the year that I dislike my mother for breaking up my relationship with this lovely man, that that was desperately trying to molest me. This entire time has now given me psychological scars of the fact that I was in fact rejected by a pedophile at work, which is quite harmful. Anyway, anyway, anyway back to your athletic anyway, both anyway, so once some once I meet this new coach who was not a pedophile because you had a family and kids which eliminates the possibility of being a pedophile obviously work lamarca system. He started training me and I finished school didn't go to university. That's all we got sidetracked of the universe how you ask us how we can get to this point. Anyway, I just was just desperate to bring it out. So after I finished school, I was supposed to go to university do it agreed or sort of things. But I've got really keen on the Olympics. I knew I needed money. I knew I wasn't going to get money from anywhere else. I wasn't going to get funding in the most scholarships. There was no training camps. No organizational anything to give me so I got an apprenticeship at the company that my coach worked and I still work there today 12 years after I first got it as an engineer. Just let everyone know I've been extra finish my friendship. Yes. I'm an engineer. I work. Gum Milling machines. So for the next three years we trained and I spent all my money. I lived at home rent-free luckily lucky for me at my parents house and trade all the time and see myself around the world to try and qualify for the Olympics. And yeah, I didn't didn't quite make it. I was very very close and it's a classic example of not knowing everything that's required before you see it off. What do you what do you mean by that like in terms of what in terms of athletic ability in terms of mental like strength that you've developed through the sport? Like what do you think you were missing to not qualify? So let's just timing in terms of I just needed longer, you know for years isn't long enough. Maybe it needed to be longer. Yeah, some of it is just that things like the Olympics are often very cut and dry in terms of simple how you do it, you know, it's not like shoot the score beat this person you go to the Olympics. It's it can be very political. It can also be very much how other countries around you perform as well. So the Olympics is yeah. That's true. The Olympics is split into many different zones around the world. Just just an example. I've been to a couple of food championships and Riku and only three people per gender per bow divisions per country allowed to compete. So 3 Min in my case from each country can compete in recurve class. There was over 210 competitors at the last words I went to and so that's a ton of countries. Yeah that you're talking specifics that that's a ton of garnets. That's a it is it's it's lots of them and so that's that's a lot of people and there's a lot of people and the spit and to put that in perspective only 64 men and 64 women get to go the Olympic Games. So how do you cut that 210 plus people down to 64 and so it's all sort of the places are handed out at the world Champs. They handed out and continents. They handed out and ran a little qualification spots and depending on how your country performers in the and the countries around you and in all sorts of other things. Can drastically affect your chances in my sport. I know every Sports very different. What does the same with weight lifting? So like someone else's scores are going to directly affect whether you get a spot like my friend Emily. She was on a previous episode actually, so she's in the process of qualifying and it's just like an absolute head fact quite the Robie points and that there's a six international events. You've got a you know, like play sad and different weight classes and they change them and it's just like yeah, that's The chances of making it even if you like fucking like she's amazing. Yeah, but even so it's like it's not guaranteed. Do you know it's just yeah it is it's crazy and and at that stage in 2012, I kind of had in my head what I wanted to achieve what I thought would be enough because that was what was enough when my coach was competing and that's what he knew but obviously it's like to change how you know, it was it like 10 years on kind of situation. Yeah, it looks completely changed and in that time period Read the in 0 C which is the New Zealand Olympic Committee who selects the teams will be one for Australia. They'll be one for every country the sporting bodies of your sport. Don't generally sleep the team. It's the the overall governing body for the Olympics in your country that do. Okay. And so my mission is not to prove that I'm the best archer in the country or whatever because I've done that it was proved to the n0c that I could make the requirements and what are their requirements as opposed to the actual scores that you So the requirements is top 16 in the world. They want they want anyone that goes the Olympics for New Zealand that they can prove that they are expecting at least a top 16 would be intention of being top eight. Okay, so that's that's just New Zealand every country has their own thing. It seems whether they'd rather have just like no one go at all. I'm a percent and that's why and that's why no one's been for the Olympics for New Zealand archery since 2004. Wow. So if you go it's like kind of a mess of data, I mean even more than it would be normally. Yeah. I mean, it's just it just shows You it's just just changes the the circumstances change and all sorts of things. So so that's the deal. And so that's why I missed out back in 2012, and I nothing that I couldn't have succeeded then if I just shot betta I just needed some better schools and better results and matches to go one go my way and I could have made it but I didn't that's fine. I life goes on. I went to a mom a little bit version of the sport just for fun and just keep shooting and keep winning stuff and just enjoying hmm. Enjoying sport. So what do you think strange for you now despite obviously the fact that you've got another, you know several years of technical skill wonder about as anything else change for you that you think now with is going to be your time to get there. It's interesting. I guess age helps a lot like just the maturity. It's you go through stuff with you want to or not and you feed off it in terms of In terms of life experience and perspective and what matters and what doesn't and so I have I have quite a long time when I didn't care about the Olympics, I don't even think about it in 2016. I don't think I was even shooting a recurve bow. And then I had a had some time on it again and shot some some good schools again and still not considering Tokyo 2020 not even interested. I've brought a gym. I tried to basically gave up on my hobbies and just try to run a gym and run some other stuff and things. End of last year that all fell apart and we'll sort of just searching for something to do, you know something to make myself feel like some self-worth and then I've got something to offer and I picked the ball up again and and shot see my seriously for six months and just broke PBF the PB and one comps and New Zealand and did really well and was quite shocked at the Improvement that I've made by almost not shooting. And it was like just all those because before I was after school was, you know, it's all about the school and all about winning this confident about this and and something when that was removed. It was just about the matter just about having fun and about shooting Suddenly It's like I had a bit of a release from that. Yeah, I understand how that feels for sure and and the results came a lot better and I still wasn't taking it seriously until about June this year. And when I went over to Japan to do the Olympic test event, which is Of all my actually travels I always wished I've been to Japan. I don't know why it's just one of those countries that you just want to go to. Yeah. It's just it's just a like one of those mythical places to go. And so even though I still wasn't thinking about the Olympics at all. I didn't couldn't care less. I was just just sort of just keeping ticking over and I went and shot in the test event and didn't do particularly. Well for wasn't training very hard match play was good. My ranking wasn't so good. But I shot against the guy who got second at the world Champs only a Few months before so he was obviously informed great Archer from Malaysia. Awesome Archer and I pushed him. It was a good match. It was really really close. I shot for the first time either for me on the solo stage with all the cameras, you know in front of everyone which I've never done before because Morgan Sonny and finals, but for the Olympics, they run every single match like that. So it's everyone gets their time on the stage and I really enjoyed it and shot well, and I didn't win he beat me but it was Sorry, it was a good match and it was competitive. And at the same time about a month ago to new zealanders live your Hodgson and Adam consignee managed to win a mixed team spot at the Oceania whole fight qualifying shoot. Oh shoot. I was kind of supposed to go to but I was selling my gym and doing a whole bunch of other stuff and just not even interested and they won the spot Australia, maybe couple of girls he's and and now we have spots so suddenly there's a massive fight on to see who can fill them. And so well, I'm absolutely no way. A certainty to go. I have a chance just like everyone else but ironically a much bigger chance my head in 2012, which is which is kind of strange. But yeah, so cool life be like that. Sometimes I love that. It was kind of like forgetting about it that make you closer to it. I think that that's what I've kind of discovered in weightlifting is that like being so numbers focused and being so outcome focused and finding that like time and time again, I don't feel that I really Really achieve what I want to like on the platform. Obviously. This is you know, no one in the Olympics, but I mean just for me like I've got numbers in my head that I want to achieve. I've got goals that I want to achieve and I feel like progress wise in terms of numbers. I'm like so far off them. So I think for me it's about deciding to not focus on that not obsess over fucking qualifying for this masters of are not qualified for this and that and just actually enjoying it and I think like I've made Like the relationships that I've made and the community that I'm in and all that. I've just kind of love that so much more than like You know, yeah, it's achieved mint and the sport. It's a weird. It's a real defined the same with that tree. Is it that same sort of you feel like you're a part of something? Yeah hundred percent and it's one of the toughest challenges that I think you need a place to deal with is or anyone that's trying to do anything is that it's such as that bringing it back down to this enjoyment enjoying the process enjoying enjoying that and in the results. They are what they are as long as we enjoy the process and and stay what's What's the way they all use now mindful, you know of where you're at with the process. Yeah, but it is super super hard because at some point someone is going to say to you you need to school and you need this result was competition. If you want to go to XYZ. How does that affect how you perform like having that much pressure on you? Historically not hasn't gone very well. Does it get in your head too much? Yeah for sure. I get really nervous that I'm going to let other people down. I don't, you know myself I can deal with that. My own gold my own life. I don't mind but when someone's like you need to do this because then then we're going to qualify for this and then you know, that's what gets me going and I get into a bit of a downward spiral sometimes and I'm not shooting well that I'm leaving everyone down and and and not just myself, you know, just just like I far rather just be me, you know, it's actually such a funny sport because it's individual because you're it's a score you shooting it's like weightlifting. It's a number, you know, and if If you lift your Beast weight and lose you should better walk away happy because it's a PV. You can't do more than that. Yeah, and that's that's the same as all I want to do is shoot my best and and if it works out, that's awesome. But you can quite easily shoot your best and get nowhere and that's that's how it is. It's I could I could walk into a match and shoot like rubbish, but then the other person for whatever reason has an off day and shoots worse and I weren't and everyone thinks I'm a hero. It's just yeah, that's the thing. It's not just depending on your performance as depending on other people's 100% So there's a whole thing of wanting to be a good competitor and wanting, you know wanting other athletes to you don't want other athletes to do badly to your yeah benefit. Yeah, always that sucks always expect your opponent's best possible performance. That's something that I've always taken taken into every match. You always expect them to do the best you've ever seen them the and in New Zealand that's especially important because we don't have a lot of depth and archery. We've got some good options here and there but not compared to Australia and I can get two tons of tons of countries. So you often shooting into people you have no idea what they're going to do. They could put them all the middle. They could screw them all over the place. You don't have any idea and so you've just got to be prepared that it's not like weightlifting. Will you pretty much know what someone's done at the previous can't yeah and obviously if they do way more than that you like they're on drugs. We don't have any can't possibly just got a 5 kilo PV. They must be on. Yeah. We don't have that problem. Well, at least I know and told me about it. Yeah, it's such an interesting thing because I mean it's you know, his whole mental as they say it comes down to it for me. It's just about getting to more and more of these competitions and putting myself on that pressure and giving myself the chance to prove that I'm good enough and I'm not trying to prove it to anyone but myself so it's all on me saying how much do you feel that? You're like identity. I mean you talk about being like so shy as a kid and like being scared of balloons. And I mean I was there I was hilarious but also everything going on the podcast. Only he couldn't go to a birthday party. He couldn't go and he would cry fuck. Yeah, it was so funny. Sure. Anyway, it's quite so much anyone that knows me outside of you know that I love that used to be scared of balloons. And now you can literally shoot arrows which let you know Pierce balloons. I guess it's a beautiful that suck out of balloons. I love that though. You've come so far that you're now like that's what you do if you know, what's interesting and the most balloon passing sport that exists if you go on YouTube and you You look up Bridgestone commercial artery. I got paid a few years ago 10 grand to fly to South Africa to shoot arrows at a car tire for Bridgestone, which is basically just like a giant hard below you go hold balloon as I said, but by yeah, if you ever got go on YouTube look up Bridgestone a tree commercial, please don't guys going to be real set up your little sniper's are there's only one Ranger on there. Just don't leave me nigga. I post I will post it on anyway. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. I mean what K. So what I'm saying is like how much of your identity is tied up and to achieving this goal. And how do you think that's going to affect you in terms of outcome? Like say you don't make it so you don't do as well as you thought do you just you're still fucking Stephen it elicits can't who is no longer afraid of balloons. It's interesting because it's yeah, it's it's come a long way it originally when I was first trying in my 20s. It was everything. You know, I I'm a whole career was based. Ston me going to the Olympic Games. I hadn't looked past that I'm going to UNI I was living in my parents house. Never girlfriend. I was just a hundred percent focused on achieving that and when that didn't happen, it was just this like we haven't thought this fire here, like what do I do now? And but it was fine. Like, it's me Will doesn't end you just carry on and you just pick yourself up and go on to the next thing and I think I've learned from that so much that this time. Like honestly, I really honestly don't mind, you know, whether I go or not. I'll do the best I can as well. I totally believe you I've got I've got a ton of stuff to do next year, but I'm spinning Fortune to try and qualify your wireless fucked up for me. I've been through some shit with it. And it's it also you keeps the point you like it. It won't be new this quote was coming up eventually and it's from that quote from Cool Runnings that even one quotes which is you can be a be a man. I think it goes something like you can be a man without a gold medal Man full of shit without a gold medal but you win a gold medal. You'll still be a man full of shit and some are even heard that before it's so good because it's true because if I can't be happy with where I'm at and what I'm doing that's true Olympics isn't going to make that you know, I know plenty of people were gone to the Olympic Games for archery and don't talk about it at all. It's not like it's a big life-changing thing where you know that just just another comp and and they just carry on. I fucking love that. It seems like you just have the most like realistic perspective of it. And I feel like myself. I've got him caught up so much in like I'll show them. I don't know. I've always had this like fucking I don't know like fucking chip on my shoulder be in my Bonnet like knickers in a knot over like a whole bunch of shit from my childhood from you know from growing up here from like everything and I feel like I've always tried to be like, I'll fucking show everyone else. Everyone I can be this person and I can be someone that people are proud of and like Etc. But it's like you've just quietly become that person without making a big fucking song and dance about it. Yeah. Okay. I've got a chip on my shoulder for a long time as well with with not making your pics of first time. I blame a lot of people I blame myself. I blamed a pedophile. I didn't blame him. He was fine. Hello. So he's not fine. I'm guys not fun at all. No, I did get convicted a big No-No Even worse attempted perfect, man. We've never succeeded embarrassing to be honest. It's a fucking Christmas time of radius 3 p.m. I really don't like that. But yeah it was Yeah, I don't know it. I did have a chip on my shoulder and I probably was a deckhand and and felt like people screwing me over and and and this time is a very ironic that it's just seem to be coming together with me doing nothing about it and it's but that's just how it goes and and I think the most important thing is that like I mean everyone's such okay, so chip on my shoulder because I'm competing. I'm competing professionals. You know, you're Australian teams pretty much professional but you are a professional also. Well, I work for an official with a fresh professional actor of the full-time job, but I'm sure most actors that have a full-time job. No, no, no, some of them do some of them do some very good ashes. I respect very much as full-time jobs, but most of us for some reason. I was just thinking what did Robin Hood do for a job? Yeah. Rob's people that's right. So that was his job. But no no, I'm against professionals. Especially Asian countries and the Netherlands you're against them as and fuck them or just like you're competing against to be clear guys is not bagging out every other Archer had a great eye if anything it's just easy because I just wish I could do that. But at the same time, well, you can't you just have to come and live back here with the moldy couch. That's a good point. But yeah that at the same time, you know, I've got a life outside of the sport and and I do enjoy it quite other hobbies. And and yeah, it's cool. People are sparks from the sounds of it. You just can't like I gave so many fucks for so long and eventually you run out and then you just you know, it's kind of annoying to me that it's taken this long for it to happen like mentally but it did and that's take it. It's I'll take it or leave it just as long as I'm happy as long as as long as I enjoy what I'm doing, I love coaching. I love helping out kids and shooting and and no matter what happens come was it may I'm going to find out whether I make it or not. Also be shooting it won't matter. I'm not going to quit and and go on a massive Rampage or anything one side Rampage what sort of Rampage like booze-fueled Rampage like a sex Rampage? I don't know actually maybe don't tell me I try to lose Rampage once but it lasted for a day and hang on was terrible. Mine was like 10 years. It was solid. I don't know how you do it again do it. Now the way you wish probably go because her family arrived and we're just like sitting down here talking shit on a multi couch. Thank you so much this Was the best you're welcome as well. I'm so proud of you just your attitude whether you make it or not. Thanks. I'm not ashamed anymore. You're not well to be sure. I was hiding in my room most of my childhood. So because the balloons and the phone probably where you probably were in it. I miss I came in to have a diary out the window Merry fucking Christmas Merry Christmas Tom and happy having a fantastic day with family friends, whatever if you're at the gym if you're by yourself if you with your cat. Have a fucking excellent day. And remember that giving list box is quite likely that the key to being a good Archer and probably just in general on your Fox a yours own your Fox famous words from my brother statement. Thank you so much guys have a fucking great Christmas, and yeah, I'll see you next time. Bye. You're gonna say bye. Good. Bye.

The Christmas spirit (or beers) lead to this spontaneous episode with my brother Stephen, archer and future Olympian. Stephen gets deep into his journey in his sport and what has lead him to having a second crack at the Olympics, despite an intense phobia of balloons and phone calls. 02:00 How Stephen got into archery and how close he got to the Olympics in 2012. 04:00 Why everyone needs to know I went to university and why Stephen was (and still potentially is) afraid of balloons. 06:00 Potentially triggering near miss with a pedophile which lead to subsequent Christmas lunch confessions that may need a podcast of their own (and probably some therapy). 09:00 The Olympic qualifying process for archery and whether making it actually even matters. 14:00 Adversity as fuel and why life experience and perspective can be just as valuable as technical improvements. 16:00 Relating athletic achievement to identity and self-worth and how changing this thought process can actually improve results. 19:00 Feeling like you're a part of something, enjoying the process rather than being solely outcome focussed. 21:00 Coming full circle from balloon fear to being paid $10,000 to puncture tyres in South Africa (please watch his commercial). 25:00 Why the Olympics is just another comp. 27:00 Who of the siblings has the biggest chip on their shoulder and what we are doing with them. 29:00 Giving less fucks, or simply running out of them.

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Times now that I do think a lot a lot of running as about mental strength, like I don't even you know, I don't even know who I was passing on the last bit of that Marathon. I just I just hit my head. I was just using every bit of mental strength. I had it was like it was almost as if I was just picturing that finish line and everything around me was almost a blur. I wasn't even looking at all the ladies or anything like that. I was passing. I didn't even think I'd ever dream of being second. I didn't think I could. So very quickly before we get right back to the chat with the lovely Lizzie for part 2 and I want to just say thank you for your continued support for tuning in weekly and your messages and your comments keeping me in the loop as to what you get up to whilst you listen. I love reading and seeing what motivates you and what activity it is that this podcast accompanies you it honestly keeps me motivated and inspired and I've been lacking a little bit in the motivation front. 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Enjoy this chat with Lizzie part to can't wait for you all to listen in because it was really a great chat. So yeah, enjoy and let me know what you think. So as you all already know today's guest is Lizzy Diamond. This is episode 11 part 2. If you haven't already you will want to go back and listen to part one. And but if you have listened in already, then you'll already know that Lizzie started running in 2017 and just seven months into it running despite having gone through an incredibly tough time with your family. She went on to run who first half marathon in. Eyes Lucy would go on for pregnant with her fourth child and continue to run during the pregnancy and she ran a half-marathon shortly after giving birth and Incredibly decided to train for her first marathon whilst only a couple months postpartum Lizzie run the great Welsh marathon in llanelli in April this year and came second lady in her debut Marathon completed in a crazy time of three hours 1204 in this installment. One and part two of the chat. You will hear more about the lead-up to Lizzie's first marathon and the training block that led her to a successful debut how she managed to fit in her training by having four kids and husband at home and whilst Toby was just a few months old and there's he tells us here Essentials to marathon training why she won't compare yourself to others and about picking up her first injury prior to the marathon debut and how she overcame this to still run such a successful race. Lizzie also tells us all about her neck. But go and challenge. It is a great chat and I'm so glad that you get to listen to the second part. So enjoy like what thing is people need to remember that you started that that training block for that marathon when Toby was around three to follow proper but properly like three months and then yeah the heat of the training that it would he would have been about six months. So, you know, you've got four children at home you working you've got busy family life of we got been there as well and you know tag team and looking after the kids and your traffic training in around when he's home from his shifts on Earth. Did you fit all the training them? Yeah. So basically I so a lot of planning in advance. So I'd say to Ben, you know, I'm planning on doing this on this day is this okay and if he'd ever say I can't work with that then we change it. So I'd make sure that it worked around us and the children's commitments and his commitment. And it was a lot of early mornings and potentially late nights. So I would just shove my hoodie on it because it was quite cold. Remember that really icy patch in December and I just I just go out and I'd run on the lit walkways because I don't have a head torch or anything like that. And I just I just do my running then when the kids were in bed and providing that then was okay with it basically and that's when I did it. That's when I just squeezed it in if I had Time so the girls do rainbows and brownies on a Tuesday and they did rainbows out of Dallas moved up now, but they do rainbows together. So I would drop them off and I'd have an hour. So I was like right I'm just going to thrash out a runner you okay to both the boys and then I'll pick the girl's up come back and then we'll do bedtime together and it was all about compromising and and making sure that there was that balance and that if I had any spare time, I would just fill it with some kind of run to try and get my My training in you know, yeah. Yeah and just look how you know that R obviously paid off so like, you know, like I mean family life and having children, it's always, you know, compromise and working together as a team like the ski obviously, so obviously, you know doing that was was you know, that's natural but I think maybe then sometimes I mean cause you know, you're there with the kids when Ben's working and when you're off so it is all about compromise, but it's It's trying to fit it all in isn't it? And I cannot like not feel guilty. That's hard. Oh, yeah, that is hard. That is hard. Yeah, it's funny at the same time. Like on the rare occasion Florence will say to me you'll go running again. Yeah again then but I have to I do have to say well, you know what, Mommy has to train hard so because I've got a race coming up soon and I had to explain to her but I don't you know, I'm like it's okay cuz you're going to sleep and obviously I don't do every time she's going to see if I make sure I read them stories. Raise or play games and you know to make sure that they're getting some mommy time as well. But yeah, the guilt is it is quite tough and so like this morning, for example, I was starting work earlier. So I just scrap the long run because I really wanted to spend some time with the family and it is about you know, sometimes you do have to sacrifice the run because if I had gone out this morning and then come back and be like I got to go to work now by I would have felt guilty. And it wouldn't have been Fair. It would have been part of been either so it is about knowing that the balance and you've got to get that balance right? Because otherwise it's not worth it. It's not you don't feel good. And it's about feeling good. Doesn't it? Yeah, and one missed run here and there is like that's you know, it's not going to make a huge difference at all. No, no, and I actually I actually went to the gym anyway as in after work in a bit in between talking to you, so I just squeezed a little one. Obviously it didn't Or two and a half hours like a long-run word. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but definitely it's not going to hurt and actually I did really enjoy having a little cup of tea and biscuits in bed. I got to be honest. Yeah, and sometimes it's nice for you. It's good actually as sometimes as a positive for your body to have that rest and injury prevention taking the time. Yeah. Yeah, enjoy and like as you know training like for Marvin, it's so intense on the body. Is it puts your immune system under a great deal of stress. So it is good to take time off. It certainly does. Yeah. No, definitely. I think it's good. Actually. I mean, I think I think three, you know three runs and then arrest I think I did that before my marathon and I was okay with that and I quite enjoyed the rest week. I was like, yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay, and I've got a couple of races coming up. So I think we all know I got to give these legs a rest because it like you said I'll be prone to injury and I need to be sensible. Hmm exactly. Yes. About 50 runs in really early and late. So I was just wondering what was the earliest time that you had to head out all the latest time whilst you are doing that marathon training first time around well good question. So I think that Harper's five. I was five six am kind of thing. I'd have to get up and and get out if I was going to do a morning when and then the evening was perhaps maybe eight o'clock maybe quarter. I like that it got you know, it gets dark really quickly. Doesn't it in the winter? So sure. Yes Taco clock. I know there's no to earliest there. But yes, I made sure that the kids were kind of settled and we done the bath time and their been didn't really have much to do we could just kind of chill out and watch TV or you know, he could catch up on his programs Game of Thrones for example, and and then I would just go and do my run. Yeah, so it would usually be those times so good. Bird catches the worm. Yeah, and then the night time for yeah, what would you say like during that block of trainer? And what were your Essentials to your training for the marathon? All right. Okay, so firstly I had to keep telling myself to be kind to myself because I was only whatever it was. You notice it before five months postpartum is you say Ted and I had to keep reminding myself of that because I was like it's really hard and I'm really tired and I just hadn't been and he was like, you've got to remember like your body has been through a lot and and so I had to tell myself be kind to yourself Lizzie and just you know, just you know, if you don't want to go for a run just don't go for a run. And if that's hard sometimes I'm so competitive with myself that I was like, okay then all right, then also it was to not be a slave to the training plan. Kind of goes in line with what I just said really just you know, sometimes if a run doesn't work then don't do it just you know, go another time instead or what I what I did do a few times was you know what I really don't fancy running tonight. So I'll go a little bit longer tomorrow night instead. So that kind of made me feel better about missing a run and I'll add like maybe three runs onto my five mile or tomorrow or something like that. So I just did that for myself to make sure that I was still enjoying kind of like relaxing and resting and and not being so tired. Yeah also as well I had to tell myself to to not not be too hard on myself and not compare myself to anybody because I needed to remember that. This was my journey and I'll just do the best that I can and I'm not going to be doing two hours 25 and that I am going to Higher because I am only human so I just had to keep remembering just just don't be so hard. I actually did suffer a little bit of an injury. Like I can't really feel like I shouldn't be to call it an injury because it didn't last very long but it was it was iliotibial band strain. Basically I so I pulled it during my training so it was a minor setback, but I did learn to look after myself a bit more. Then and stretch more and and rehabilitates the injury a bit and I did Newport half. I set myself some goals by doing some races in between the marathon training which I think did really help because I could see myself reaching certain goals and getting a little bit fitter over time. So I did what the Liz worry 8 which was a lovely 8 Mile ER, you know, it's it wasn't quite a 10K but it wasn't a half marathon. So I really enjoyed that and that was the January so few months for the marathon. And then I did and then unfortunately February was around the time. I pulled my IT band so I did look after it and I did get a sports massage. I got a few actually and I did Newport half marathon and that was 133. So for me that was my new PB which was exciting and then and then I did what I do, then the sounds loss and on some Dom there was March the 24th. And then obviously March 31st was my Cardiff Bay 10K, which was which for me was a new PB of 40 minutes 59 at that time. And then I did the marathon. So setting myself those race goals really really helped they were like my targets just to see because obviously you can't rain until the cows come home, but it was nice to do especially sound on like I mentioned earlier it was nice to kind of see where you are in race Pace putting yourself in that. - in in the race to see you know, which female were you and and how will your splits and how do you paste that? And do you think you could have done better? And I didn't I don't really I don't really drink or eat anything on my long run. Just even my 20 milers. I didn't I didn't drink or eat anything until I came home obviously and then I kind of refueled and that was fine during training but Then when I did the marathan, I literally felt like I had a full course buffet and I would actually pay for it. I learned I learned On The Run Nat. Yeah. I ended up like having to take Imodium instance because the amount of gels that our hearts just take your just shoving them shovel and a my neck think, you know, get through it Lucas AIDS like I was literally having a great time. Make it a lot of time. I'm doing a long run and I don't feel like I need to take the fuel on but I remember someone saying no you really really need to train your body to adjust to it. So even though you're doing long and slow you still need to be able to trade in like because it's hard to digest stuff even like taking a job which was to be easy. It is hard like you have to like get used to that is trial and error. So obviously if you haven't done that in like you 720 milers that you've done in your training, you know that That would have been a shock to the system on Race to it because the thing is you run so much harder on race day. So a lot more fuel. It just gets bent so quickly. Oh my goodness yet. So that was a really really good lesson that I learned. Yeah. I was I was burning out I was and it's a really really lovely guy that I met who almost ended up passing me. To be honest for this this Marathon. It was like his billionth Marathon. He did he'd done loads. I think it Like I said time you don't and Ashley so he knew the route and he was pacing and he was spot on and I was like, I'm just going to try and stick with him. So he was he was again giving me like these shells and jelly babies Haribo anything I get my hands on. I was like just give me more and then it got to a point at 18 miles when I was like listen Rob. I don't think I can take any more jails. My stomach's having a bad time over here and he was like all have these Imodium instance, which I didn't know. Listed by the way, the ones that just melt on your tongue. Yeah amazing. So I had those and to be fair. They absolutely didn't work good thing. They didn't work at all. I think the damage had been done. Oh my God, so it had a lot of gels and my tummy is not good with jails are certain jowls anyway, so I'd had these gels and I was having a party needed the fuel needed that that caffeine. And then that's when I thought you know what the stomach cramps are. Absolutely hideous at Mar 23 2014 2 crack on I'm going to I'm going to push through to the end and I've got to I've got to go because I can't I can't take this tiny cramps anymore. I've just got to go. I got to push through this pain. So that's yeah, that was a lesson learned. So now I do feel and I do take a drink even to sip of especially with the Heat of the Moment as well. But yeah. And I do and I end up actually having gels before short races and especially the half marathon the Swansea half marathon, even tho the gel pretty much ended up all over my face. Mostly honestly the best trying to run an open up this gel and get it down me was a nightmare. But yeah, that was a big learning curve for me and that's good that you've got that you've taken away because now when you do your Marathon next spring and uh, no actually, you know, I think you've got one coming up in I've been there my goodness. Yes, I do. Yeah Talent so that Snowden I've got snowed in Marathon. It's I'm really excited about this one. This is again another new challenge. It's Hills obviously and and I I'm nervous I am nervous because I love running on Flats any incline. I'm like, oh, so it's going to be a challenge for me. I'm just going to do my best on the day and and Trust the process and just remember that just remember that done the town. Yeah, get it in my brain. Look absolutely hashtag mouth and talk do says I'm talking here. I just love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah again learning so much stuff on that as well. Yeah. I'm just going to trust the process and know that I've done the training I'm going to do some hilly 20-mile has as well basically do as many So I can the local races are helping with that because then unfortunately for me, they're not flat it wish they were but they have very hard. So yes, I'm doing Snowden and I'm really looking forward to that. What is the course like to have you looked at her? I have looked it up. Yes. It was actually it is a lot of people assume that when you say you're doing you know, just no damara. They think that you're climbing climbing the mounting and in this mixed Terrain. but it's not it's if it's pretty the majority is tarmac and it's like gradually uphill and then it kind of plateaus for a while and then you go maybe downhill a little bit and then there's another big hill so it's very much an undulating but then there are some some vicious climbs but everybody I've spoken to who have done it or who want to do it say that it is just so scenic and so lovely and And I've seen photos and the view I mean are like the mountains behind you and around you. It looks I'm actually genuinely excited to take it all in as well as think goodness gracious. What am I doing? Yeah, because I have just looked it up because I couldn't remember to my head. I know it is silly. I knew it was mainly tarmac. So it's 838 meters total elevation and in feet, that's 2749. Just in case just to keep it fresh in the memory. Yeah, in case people needed to know but I mean, you've got a really really big hill like after I think it's on your second my like really really big like the biggest one I think and then you go a nice downhill and you pretty much done for a long long way until you get to Half Marathon distance. You've got and little Hill compared to the first tell at mile to down again and then your mom this is so Evil so that your mile 22 to 20 must be 24 and a half mile 22 to 24 and a half is a big climb it just climbing and then home straight 25 to 26 lovely down rolling into the Finish Line. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, there is nothing better than a downhill on the Finish Line when I did what I did Rach grade this year. The end was a massive Hill and I was panting so hard that somebody from st. Johns Ambulance came beside me and was like, are you? Okay? Do you need assistance on the downhill? This is something uphill and I was like, listen. Listen, I don't need assistance just yet. But stay close by the end. He had to climb this massive hell and then through this little gate and then into like a little castle the castle grounds and that was the end but it was Vicious so we're pretty brutal to end on an uphill. But so yeah, I know it will be tough to do a marathon and you know the snow de Marathon but ending on a downhill I'm hoping we'll just we'll just be nice the legs will definitely be like jelly, so I'm just going to let them fly hopefully but no take the gravity. I've known a few people to do that marathon, and I've known them to get really really good times actually. So yeah, I'm going to I'll get after it. Get back to you on it because I'm going to quiz them as to what their PB is from Martin anyway, because when I've seen that I know like a girl lady from our club she did it in I'm sure it was around 3:30. Wow, I'm sure I might be wrong there, but I'm pretty sure and I know I know a guy from school. He did it and around that time as well. So I'm gonna have to go back and just check what the p b flat listen just to get handouts and that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, but incredible, yeah. Let me know. Yeah, I was going to ask after the great Welsh Marathon. How did you feel afterwards? Because when I had a little look Instagram stalk, I noticed that you did a 16 mile run literally two weeks after the back of that Marathon. Like how did you even do that? Why don't you know what happened? To be honest? I was just I was on a high I was honest. Serious. Hi. Like I just want to like stop people in the street and be like guess what I just did my first marathon I can iI but but generally I wanted to just make sure that I was cured my fitness ticket over things that I'd lose it in like two weeks. So I don't know really what caused my mind's do a 16 mile ER but the legs they did they genuinely felt they felt good and even I was shocked and surprised but I did I did keep it a couple of days between H run so I run for a little bit and then I not run 48 hours and then I just do a few more miles and then the 60-mile is just crapped in there. But yeah, I just kept taking over and taking it easier and then yeah, I felt good and then I asked you know the people in the club was it what what should I be doing next and really and they're like right now you need to start working on your speed and then that's when that came and I booked you know doing because I was just like I need to in the mouth and I want to do one straight away. I want to do it tomorrow, but obviously I can't down a bit and I talk to myself and said stop being ridiculous. And then that's when I was like right snowed in because that's a good you know period of time to train again and some is always a nice time to train it's good to have goals. I love having something to aim towards and when I didn't have anything I felt a bit lost I thought well, yeah, I've got a card of half but But the sages away so I thought yeah, I think so. Yeah, I did I need to sub. I like having something to work towards and then you think boom another goal here, you know tick tick another Marathon done. Yeah, definitely what maybe not so much about the Madison but I mean, I had thoughts of that after when my Martin experience didn't go right, but then I thought no not quite ready. So I'm still have to work. What one is my next one. I would like one this year, but Been a lot going on outside of so it's a bit like well that's taken a backseat for now, but it'll come back. We're working out. Yeah, cuz it well when it happens or trust the process as they say, I love that saying and over to see it. I have to say and Tom and Martin's voice from Martin talked they still I wouldn't want it any other way. I really want a t-shirt need to get one. It's a I've been wanting to get one as well. Actually I have to do that. We should get one. Let's get one. Yeah packed. I'll Trust you that you could wear it on in can't you've got away or Club? First can't do that. Oh, we're now for the spoon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah while you train then it might help you to remember to trust that person. I got to take a picture and send in so I sent away. Yeah definitely will do it. Yeah. So you've started documenting this running journey of yours is very new run Ingenuity on Instagram. How did that? Come about like where you following others on like a personal accountant. Like I'm going to do this. Yeah, I watched you know, what I was I was listening to Marathon talk and I was genuinely genuinely just following the guests. Mostly Terry Griffiths one that I was always following. I mean, he's just incredible isn't it? And yeah, wow like inspiration Central he just ridiculous. The times are amazing. See the Welsh Runner and then because of the Welsh render then Kellogg's on the road. I do actually really love following her as well. She's just so real and I love that about her. So that's lovely the runner beans, you know, I think yes. I follow her project Marathon GE all these I followed and they were great. And actually I was just doing my thing and I was just enjoying following them and it was my friend Matthew. He's training for an Ironman at the moment. He's really into his cycling swimming. Got a little bit of running. I think it primarily it's cycling and then this woman and then running for him if we're going to put in an order and he was like, you know another he was so supportive and and it was like another round only see like but he was like, I don't think you realize how good you are and I was like, I don't stop this absolutely do to saying it because you're my friend and he was like no, but what you will do is you'll inspire people like you to start playing but I didn't you know, No, and he kept on saying it and I was like now I just know I don't think like no, I don't think so. I just don't I don't know whether I can do I'd rather have the confidence to do it and I don't think anyone would really care and then it got to the London marathon and he was like this is it now? He's like I am fed up of telling you he was like, I'm going to help you start an account and he was like you're going to do it and and I was like, okay. Okay. So just and I was again absolute nervous. So I was like, right. So what should I put here then he's like, well you need to make a Camp so the running people aren't spammed with your family and your family and friends aren't spammed with your running and I was like, okay. Yeah sure. So then he was like you the name of Runner of for my sister actually came up with like, I don't know what to call myself and she was like, well, I've looked at this one and no one else has it and it has a ring to it because you are a runner or four children and I was like, well actually yeah, that's pretty pretty simple yet effective. Yes. Oh, so she Help me with that and then so he had me initially like set up the very basic. So what we put my profile should don't, you know, don't put silly things. Just put very simple bio. Like you're just a man who has a passion for running and I was like, okay. Yeah. So basically the truth and kind of a few things that you've done recently your times and then just just go from there and then he did so he got the ball rolling and then I just took the bull by the horns and just documented everything really so Because you haven't been doing it for that long. Have you no no, I started it. I think it was a week after the London Marathon this year. So three months. Yeah. It was on the same day as London Marathon die with the same day. So yeah. Yeah that was that was the inspiration of the London Marathon. Yeah. I come in. You're right. I can picture it. Now as I opened my bedroom getting ready watching it upstairs watching haidee Carruthers just one agent like oh my goodness. He's just getting over that line. Did you listen Carrie here episode up some job because she's just been on this. She's been on the Ramblin Runner recently. So you'll have to check that out because that was a really good. Oh, yeah. She was really funny. I'd really enjoy listening to action. This is actually what happened and what I found really interesting is that she didn't wear a watch. Yes. I know Justin and she trains literally oh and singer around her work like she's a full-time job. hops trains twice a day I mean she is just again out of this world. I mean so your friend Matt. I'm just trying to work out which Matt is it on? Oh, he is M James 27. So he's here we call it. We actually call him a throw because his name's Matthew and he's got an afro to be call him a throw. Like he's been our friend forever family friend and he is so now he's training for the Ironman in 10 B, and he and I mean he's got Coaching he's just again. He is another level like he says to me. Oh, you're so good. I think hang on a minute like you need to look in the mirror. I couldn't I couldn't read I couldn't swim like he does especially in Open Water like that. So underestimated and I want to see my sister. In fact, he's really inspiring and my sister did her first triathlon the same day. I did my Swansea half. She did card a triathlon with Matthew so So I think I think both of them are amazing I think cycling as well. That's a whole whole different getting. Oh my goodness gracious. So I take my hat off to them equally as they take their hat off to me. Yeah what I'm so glad that map pushed you to do it God. I want to let you otherwise she's hurt. I am I do I really enjoy it and I enjoy the support. I enjoy the inspiration I get from everybody else around me, but it is it's like it's To the family. It's a running family. You know, it's great because who what or who motivates and inspires you in particular that I'm like, I know you've touched on it a little bit. But yeah, I mean obviously him doing the triathlon and training for Ironman. It's the retina or anyone else you want to mention. So it's again I like the word collaboration, but it is a collaboration of a few people I think so every time I race the supporters Is it just just gets me all choked up to be honest. I remember a very particular moment of the marathon when I was on the final straight. Yeah, I can see the finish line and it was lovely it was it was downhill. I just passed a girl. I didn't know what position she was. I didn't know where I was and this man from the crowd. I just literally it was almost as if they all went silent and I could only hear his voice and he won't come on. You've got this she's just behind you. And I just thought oh my gosh. Okay. Okay, because you just said that I'm going to dig even deeper and I'm going to go for it and the people who support on all these races are just as important as a people who run the races because without them I would be lost and it would be a very lonely race because I should they just they don't even know you and because you've got your name on your bib people are going go on lissy go on Lizzie, and I don't even know them but Because they're saying it I say, thank you. Thank you. I'm can barely breathe so I mostly miming q but they they support me and they motivate me to just keep going and also the people who I see on Instagram definitely support me because a lot of them are people like us and they're very normal so to speak and they've got jobs and they've got very busy lives and they continue to do it. So they only motivate me to continue to do it myself and the club the club are just like I mean this this so motivational that they're literally like motivational speakers and they go, you know, go on Lizzie and when I did the castles that the queen of when I was awarded Queen of the mountains, there is a girl called cerebral order we call a Lord she likes to be called lord as well and she just did the world Albert the world happen. Well don't need years. Yep. She's just done them. So she is incredible like so inspirational. I just think that the Abbot world's not World Abbott other way around and horse has competed all six she's done them. Yeah, and she got her, you know her amazing medal anyway, so she's the coach of Liz weary and one one of the coaches I should say. Actually there were quite a few and she this was an open road race. So the cars were able to kind of it was Strawberries. Yeah, so they can go out do they could meet you at these different points and and she did and it was like there was me and a guy called Reese one female one male from the club running on the leg I did and she was you know, I felt like she was at every single lay-by. I went by absolutely telling me like I could literally see her eyeballs almost popping out of her head going you have you know, you've got this laser you've got this and I feel like when She has that belief in you. I mean Ben was there as well. So that was another reason to be like I have to make him proud. He doesn't ever get to see me race. I have to you know, I have to beat this one girl in front of me. I watched her the entire time. I watched her in front of me and I thought I'd just got to keep this distance between us and then I've got to kind of get to a place where I can go a bit faster but maintain that speed to take over her that was just the competitor inside of me though, and and they were there, you know, they dedicated their I'm to to bring me like me and Reese this sponges in water because it was boiling and gels and they offered me bottles of water. Obviously outside. No, thank you. But yeah for me it is all the people around me that motivate me. Obviously my children better the other day asked to take my dragon Queen of the mountains trophy in to school. Like it wasn't prompted by me. I didn't go, you know, you can show your teachers. She asked maybe I really want to show my teacher that because I take it in and I was basically need a cried and I was so proud like it literally took me up that she she was proud of me and it is Within These races when I am finding it tough. I think I've got to do this. I've got to do it for better. I'm I got to do it for for all of them. I want to make them proud because children they don't quite understand today that it's not it's not about winning. It's about the taking part, isn't it? It does not. But winning or losing it's literally about just enjoying the ride, isn't it? So every time I race there was like, what did you win though? That's like not this time darling. It was never a lot of very good people there. So when the line is in sight and I think all of you know what I might be able to do this, I think of them and I think yeah, you know what I'm going to go home and I'm able to tell them that this one I did win so it is you know, No, and it just it just in every race that I do and doesn't matter what time I have every race I do because I'm not about winning I've learned from I learned from every single race that I do. So that's also a motivation for me to crack on and move on learn from what did I learn? Okay, what do I change and how can I improve that so it is it's a load of different things. I'm sorry that I just rub it it on for so long, but honestly it is it's called almost everything around me. Family, my friends supporters the club everybody that motivates me to keep going. It's like their belief in me makes me believe in myself almost love that their belief in you makes you believe in yourself. Yeah that ask me did and I think you've touched their on on the reason why you run so if you want to summarize, what is your reason to run? That's such a good question so I ran for my sanity. No, I it's so good to get that head space when you go running in are when it's I find it really important to just have a little bit of me time, especially like training when I'm not just racing when I'm just going out and I'm like, you know, I'm just going to go out and I'm just going to enjoy having a little bit of head space and having to enjoy the world around me and taking it all in and taking them some fresh air and stuff like that. So that is it I run. For for those around me like I said before definitely and and then yeah it is. It's definitely primarily for for my family for my children and definitely been because honestly, there is no feeling better than the feeling of them being proud. It's it gives me a lump in my throat. I was quite emotional on this now this chat but uh, but it absolutely does and when times get tough and you do it's hard you question yourself and you think gosh why am I doing this? You think what is for them? Because you can go home and you can tell them how well you did and you can go home and say and your I've got a new PB or you know, what I didn't do as best as I did but I still raced and I still you know, I still went out there and I ran and it was a really fun and you know, it was really good and not Definitely think that they are they are the why they are the way because I can go home when I can I can I can that the be proud of me. Yeah, and then I can just hope you're proud of myself of what I've achieved. Yeah, I love that love all of that. Oh, that's I know I did. I really did. Oh, so what's a better day? I know it's what would you say proudest achievement is because we literally it's tying up very well because you've just said about something about they are the way you and that, you know being proud of what you are achieving. So what what is your proudest achievement and wife? Yeah. So what do be my proudest achievement in Life or would it be my proudest running achievement now any either I think I definitely think what in life my proudest achievement by far my children and I know that's really cliche and so cheesy, but it's so true. I mean They are the reason you know, I think it's since that since they came into my life. I think what did I ever do without you? What would I do without you? You know, they give me a reason they give me a meaning and everything I do generally is for them. And I love that. I would never change it for the world and I do love that. So as cliche as it is it is definitely like I'm so lucky and so Privileges and I just feel so blessed to have four healthy. Happy children that we achieved so that definitely with running my biggest achievement. I mean I feel again it would be really cliche to say the marathon. I mean that was a moment. I will never forget and I don't know whether anyone out there is experienced this but I certainly haven't before this but running running to that finish line and now you know I've never been to a Finish Line that's been clear. I've only ever crossed the line with loads of people crossed in front of me behind me around me beside me, but this Finish Line was completely clear of anybody and there was just a bunch of Paparazzi have had a cameras. There are no cameras at the end. And that feeling of was just a reason I felt like hero like a superstar. Oh my gosh. It was amazing and I crossed the line. And they kind of digging through this medal and I got you know while dead and then they all say right you have to turn to this camera and turn into that camera and it did you know, it made me feel so special and I know that again as I said before it is definitely something I want to take away with me for the rest of my life, but there was one recent achievement that I don't know whether I will do again and that was the one with the castles relay. So it was representing Liz weary, which I'm really proud of as The club remember I love them and they're so supportive but do the castles relay when I did the stage 11. It was a new route this year. So I broke the course record because obviously it's a new route and and then they gave me the trophy of Queen of the mountains. And I mean that is a pretty great title to have but it was such a lovely run and it was such a hard run but also The girl and he was from Serpentine Runners who is in front of me was I passed her and she was like great running and that's what I love about the running Community, you know, it's not all about being competitive and Fierce and getting your elbows out and digging away at people next to you. She and I was literally like you to you know, you are you're great and it's taken a lot for me to even be able to catch up with you never mind overtake you so she wasn't far behind me at the finish line, but But we had a picture together and it was so lovely to share that moment with her regardless of who was first or second and to get a stage t-shirt, which I really sought after supposedly really hard to get one of those lovely yellow t-shirts. I didn't even think that was possible. I just I was told, you know, the the level of Runners was out of this world seriously was and is every year so I just went there to run my own race. So that was just yeah carry on. Yeah. It was lovely on the cake, too. To win my stage leg and to be awarded that trophy it was really wonderful. And then that was the one that better then took into school. And so I was really proud. Yeah, it was lovely. I remember that happening there few months ago. Yeah. I've been yeah, Brenda I just win it again. No, I know. It's just it's just I think it's got to be just this lucky streak and I mean come on too old for this now. I can't keep this up gosh. Just no naturally talented. Honestly, I don't know about that. But all I know is that I love it. I do genuinely enjoy and and as long as I'm enjoying it, yeah going to just keep doing what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah, what would you say your favorite uplifting or motivational phrase is and what I like have you ever had a mantra in your head like in order to finish a race just so that you can do Deepen get it done. Yeah, I do actually so in my head I always actually used to just say over and over again. Just just dig deep just dig deep just dig deep and when you think you're digging deep Lizzie just dig even deeper. I used to say that and then I was like, oh this isn't this isn't enough. You know, I feel like I'm digging seriously deep here, and I don't know if I can do it, but you're going to deeper so that kind of expired and then a girl called. Called Jess runs to try that a handle on Instagram. She's actually been in contact and she's a member for as well. So we have a lot to chat about and she's so supportive and she's clearly incredible. She's she lives over in the States, but she put a post arm so I read it and I found it really inspiring and she she had a quote which is there is there is no growth in a comfort zone and there is What Comforts in a growth Zone when I am running and I find it difficult to you know, I get to that point where I think oh, yeah, this is the zone now that I'm finding hard. I just think come on Lizzie. It's not meant to be comfortable. If you're going to get any better at this it has to be it has to be painful. It has to be uncomfortable. You're not going to grow unless you're uncomfortable and I just think of that phrase over and over again because I could run that race and just be comfortable. Well if I wanted to no one's forcing me, no one is forcing. Yeah to run like I'm running I'm only forcing myself and I'm putting that pressure on so I just think we'll come on then if you're going to do it then you got to do, you know, you're gonna have to do a good job at it and dig deep and do it properly. So be uncomfortable push past that and I just keep thinking yeah, you know dig deep and you're going to see the Finish Line you are going to see the finish line and I think okay. I'm going to run as hard as I can to that corner and then I get to the Order and then I see another tree and I'm like, okay, I'm going to keep running a really hard to that tree now and then you start here and you start hearing the cheers from the end and then I'm and that's all I need. I know the finish line is where in sight and then I just dig as deep as I can and everything I have left. I just use to push me over that line to the limits. Basically. Yeah, you have that so that quote was there is no growth in a comfort zone and there is no comfort in a growth zone. Is that right? That is exactly right. It needs her die. But like never a truer word spoken. Is it like it? Honestly, I read it and I thought my goodness. She's completely hit the nail on the head. Hmm, you know, she's got a night. Yeah, definitely. So that's that is really my Mantra keep going over that. I'm interested and very very interested to know we do you see yourself in five years time given the progress And you know the success you've had in these short two years of running. Where do you see yourself in five years time. I mean, this is life and running like everything. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, there's quite a few things I'd like to do time and and money like just don't allow at this point of time because obviously you just invest everything into the children, especially when they're younger and that is my priority. Of course. I really want to do the Abbot will Old Marathon Majors I do and I know that I have to be in a place where I have to be fit enough to do that. So I think five years is realistic to do all six. Yeah, I'd really I would really like to do it I words and also I went to Marshall this morning at the Junior parkrun and this may not be in five years time. This may be sooner depending on kind of what happened. Workwise, but I'd really love to coach as well as do my running. I'd really love to coach the little ones because I tell you what now, I was still on the side today just you know, telling them how wonderful they are and they really are all wonderful and the moment you say come on, you know you were doing so well, the finish line is just there you've got this they listened and they're encouraged and and they run and it's just human nature, isn't it? You hear somebody believing in you and you do Go for it and then little legs they just pick up that pace and they go for it and and they smile and they think oh my gosh. Yes. I've got this. You know, I know I'm a superhero and he said yeah, you know what you are a superhero you're going to be a superhero and I'd love to invest what I know into into the future generation of Runners. So I don't know whether that might be a path. I might go down I look at all these people as well who are like a six, FrontRunner. - and Brooks Run happy team and they you know, they do a really good job. They look happy. They genuinely enjoy running and and then one of us as well, and I feel like it's not Out Of Reach to be one of those frontrunners perhaps. I don't know whether time words allow with my schedule. Even if I were to have the opportunity to be one, but I would also I would also like the opportunity to do that. Maybe maybe you know, if If the opportunity to were to arise but I look at these people and they genuinely like they genuinely enjoy running and they Balanced Life and I think yeah you're inspiring and I want to inspire like you kind of thing. Yeah. You know what when you said about the coach and coach in little ones. Yeah. Oh my God. I was literally nodding my head like, yes, you would be great that like given, you know a few years at Prep schedule and you know build up experience and experience. Yeah. Yeah would be because your As if what you do in your job now and teaching the little ones and drama and acting you know singing would be and you're really motivated. You know, you're you're motivated uplifting and you know, you've got that attitude and their Charisma and yeah, you'd be brilliant at that. I can like touching it now. I can't I would just I would love it and doing what I do know is you said it is so rewarding that is so rewarding you get so much pleasure from from their success. But even running a park run it doesn't matter. They're like I was so proud of all these children that don't know me from Adam today and I thought oh gosh, I would love to just invest anything. I know and you know a volunteer happily to motivate these children to do what they love because honestly I got so much from it. And as you as a teacher, you generally do get a lot of emotion and and You feel so proud of the children when they achieve things that yeah, I would I'd love to do that. I'd love to do it. I'd have to do with my own children as well if they ever wanted to do that. But yeah, I do see myself doing something like that, you know, and I'd like to do it if I had the time and as the children get older perhaps they want to do as well. It means I could go with them and do it with a load of children that they do it with perhaps. I like that. Yeah. No, that'd be good. Yeah, I can definitely visualize that That right. We've got two more questions. Yeah, she had a an amazing chart like a brilliant one. Now. This next question is going to catch you off guard. So apologies in advance if you actually I think I might have another question not to might have a couple more because I remember someone sent me one in as well. So I lost that right? Okay if let me go to that question first and so someone sent in. How do you manage to I mean, I think we did touch on it earlier, but just to recap how do you manage to train for that speed ability with four kids. So I just wanted to mention that Curry said that in it's all wonderful. So she was really amazed. I put the story up about your times and I know what you manage to achieve. She was like whoa. How does she do that and someone else that in is she human and I was like, no she's super human. Yeah, I think thank you Carrie. For sending that particular row and I'm glad I did do I think we did manage to touch on the earlier didn't we we did but so so obviously I've got it's quite a few things to be honest. So with the the tiredness from having four children, I don't ever beat the tiredness. It's I just battle the tiredness. So it's just a constant battle. I'm not I'm not ever going to beat it. So it's just something I kind of learned to accept. I'm always going to be tired. So I run. Lot on adrenaline and and I think because I've got a degree in musical theater and I am technically I was I was an actress a professional actress and throughout my career. I had so many knockbacks and with auditions and just generally the acting world is very brutal and you build up a mental resilience to be knocked back quite a lot of the time. Before you succeed and I think running is very similar to that. I think you do suffer a lot of knockbacks and you think are the you know, you don't know what's going to happen on the day when you go and you perform it's exactly the same you think all I've done all the training. I've learnt these songs. I've learned these pieces, but actually when you get up in front of people in my all go down the drain and it will not go to plan and then that's when you take the knockbacks. So I think I've definitely built up this mental resilience to push. Through the pain of I just don't know if I can get past this point now it is it's hard every single time. I'm not going to pretend that it's easy. And actually I don't even know if it gets any easier because what happens is when you actually do reach a point where it could be easy you push yourself even further and it's just as continual process, isn't it? But yet getting back to the question. I think Tell me the question again now because I feel like I'm going in a bit just told you how he managed to. Yeah, drop it all for kids with the teeny. Tiny baby. Still managed to train yourself for a 312 312. Yeah, that's the one so yeah, it's it's about making time mostly and when you do have the time or not, everyone's going to be a quality run because you just can't do that mean you're just human you have to have easy runs and you have to take it easy sometimes. But when you do have a chance to your quality when you have to make it equality run you have to push yourself if you're not going to be able to raise because you haven't got the time then run as if you are racing. Do you know for the threshold run or the tempo run even or for the interval training, you know, if you are doing those intervals make those intervals worthwhile because it's that pain you need to feel that pain a little bit you need to yeah you do you have to push your body your heart rates, so it's similar to what you would when you're racing to To remember what it's like and how you you deal with that and just remember because this is what also gets me through. Just remember that pain does not last so even though it feels like oh my goodness gracious. I feel like I'm about to explode the Finish Line does can and you recover and then within half an hour you're sat down having a cupcake or a Mars bar or an energy drink or whatever it might be or a cup of tea is true. Yeah, honestly and you think what was all that fuss about then? Yeah was that is about to die. And you know what? I think actually not a lot people do this, but you did 720 miles in your new training plan. And that's unusual for someone. I know you didn't go over the 20 mile distance. So you still had a 10K that you are to push over that, you know that threshold of that 20 miles but perhaps you know, you know the maybe there was a lot to be said I know running Rogue the Rogue running in Texas. They do say a lot about how You know those 20 miners are so important and perhaps that was a good thing for you as well. I mean, I mean you've got to weigh up with the risks because for some people doing too many 20 miles or too many long distance running can be a potential for for injury, but obviously you kept up the strength training which helped you and yeah, you hopefully outweighed the risks because you were you were running five times a week when you in the lead up to that. Yeah, mostly yes. It was at least at least four times. Yeah. At least four times a week. So again and that just goes to show you do you do have natural talent for you to get that time? Because a lot of people some people in order to get those sort of times they have to almost train twice a day and do an easy run on top of their speed work as well. So this there is a lot in you to come. Yeah. Well, I hope so. I really I hope so, I hope because you do think I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to train hard. On that know when you were saying about the 20 mile runs and how important they are. Someone told me once again from from this very big enough the Liz very big time here, but they said the heart knows no distance or titles only news time and he's time. I don't know something like that. Basically the heart knows it doesn't it can't gauge time. So basically you do the long runs. So your heart just keeps ticking over yet. So it learns to to become aerobically yes and strong. Yes. Yeah, and I do honestly feel that it did definitely improve my endurance doing these long runs. Yeah, and I mean, you know by the end of the 20 mile is I was like, okay I'm done now are we near the end? So it was it was tough. It was by no means easy. But yeah, it did help it did help that I had that platform. Yeah for the mountain. Yeah, definitely. Okay. So this is the question that was going to cut you off guard. If you could hear someone else on this possible on this podcast, who would it be so if you could hit anyone at all, like it could be like like pie in the sky never might happen because they're famous or could be your everyday Runner. But who would you like to listen to? That's not gonna screw up for this. So I do apologize. No. No, it's this is good. This is important. I like it. You know Walt I could be I could be really cliche and say, you know the normal people that everyone really expects but I it's really hard. I need a moment actually know what the next question and go. Okay, then yeah, we're going to think. Yeah go on then. Yeah, it would be hard while you multitask in Black while you're reading out your tip. So I got to ask you if you could give others listening three tips to get in start. Adam running what would they be? Yes, absolutely. I really like this question because I just I just feel like running it is is for everybody because it there is nobody is the same it's not one size fits all so firstly I think make it realistic for yourself. Make it your own Journey don't compare yourself to anybody else. So just just pop on your trainers. Lace them up. If you want to just run down the street and back perfect, you know, if you want to just run and do a couple of laps around the block then then just go for it. But you have to just do what works for you and make sure that you're enjoying it at that time as well and then just build upon that if you want to if it's you know, it's your journey if it's something you want to do. You want to maybe build up to a 5k perhaps even a 2K doesn't matter. So I think just Just enjoy your journey first and start off doing what works for you. Just lace up those trainers and just pop out for a little jog. Don't put the pressure on that is my that's my definitely my first tip and the second one, which I felt was really worked for me from the start is either do a park run if you can because I find that there's so lovely and therefore all abilities from speedsters to people who are just Starting out, you know couch to 5K, whatever it might be parkrun is definitely for everybody. It's so sociable and it's so loving everyone is so supportive and the marshals out there that they volunteer and they really do support you and it does make you feel really good about yourself and it's really motivating especially if you're just starting off and if you do start to park run or you can't do a park red then perhaps to book book erase book an event, even if it's one of those the the The run the cancer one. Mmm those ones. Yeah, that's the word. Yeah, they're lovely or anything really, you know that they do a color Clash don't lie as well. Once where you just say, you know, you go out there with your friends and you go there and get your t-shirts with paint on and all over your face and it's Fernando before you know it you've done a 5k, so I think it's nice to aim for something and it gives you something to work towards and then you know before you know it you think oh my goodness. That she felt. Okay, and it's the furthest I've ever run and that's really motivating and I really like that my third tip I think is maybe to bring a friend for I because I've run a lot of my training runs with friends from the club. Mostly obviously and for me that is made a huge difference. They're so supportive and you tend. To bounce off each other and you encourage each other and that for me is really important because when you're just starting off you may have a bad round one, you know a but it's not about winning or losing it's about it's about learning. I think so having that person who's done it with you who started the journey with you. You can Pat each other on the back and say look what we've achieved and it's really special. I feel like for me as well. I've done that with my sister and we've got a picture of us with her. Mezzo from the Cardiff Bay 10K and I do that when I was pregnant and we achieved it together and it's so lovely to have that memory of doing that race together and it was so much fun. And it does have to be a tank. It can be anything. So yeah, I think having a friend to support you along the way I think that's something that's really special and if you can do it do it. Yeah, that's a brilliant one because sometime I was thinking I'd stay like I'll see top tip like if you're especially if Like for example, if and when you're lacking motivation, you know, what like all you're slipping like your training Etc book a date with a friend right? We'll meet at blah blah blah this time. You can't get out of it, then it's done. So like if you are, you know, if that is, you know your way because I was lacking motivation this week three days of doing nothing right met with a friend. We're going to meet we're going to run this time and it's Just tell me the world of good Justin. Yeah, it's it's the feel-good factor isn't it of running? Yeah, it's the no pressure and it's the aim of our januar will do this. And then we're going to have / yeah, it's Lush couple and kick the yeah it definitely definitely I think yeah and just be realistic and just as long as you're enjoying it keep at it. Yeah, so did you think about us? Yay, I guess he's managed to think we're talking it though. Fair play. I know I know I try to I try to listen to what you're saying. And I was like, right. Okay. I'm just going to go for it then now again, I think I might have to be a bit cliché here. But given what I'm trying to do recently, which is increase my speed. I would really really love to hear from Usain Bolt. I want to know yeah, I want to know what he did what he did what he does have. He is just so unbelievably fast, you know, I just want to take some serious tips and hints from him at this point in time for me. It would it would have to be Usain Bolt because I'm trying to be fast like him right at the moment. So I have to track down someone who is similar to you simple have a feeling. Mr. Bolt is not going to say yes to come in or not another run a podcast fur. Are you never know? No now, oh, well. Yeah, you better future. Give it give us 20 years might be doing some other project by them. I bet he's hard to get hold of my hand. I know I know documentary not longer though something. So you're going to have to You Tube him now. I'm sure there's one actually do know what as well because I know that we're both Marathon talk fans, but I would really like to hear from Brian who just did comrades in South Africa. I was like 70 or 72. Yeah, like you know what that would be very interesting and also he just sounds like such a lovely down-to-earth modest man that it would just just to hear his experience of everything really running because he's an amazing he'll Runner and I'm about to do that. And so I mean if you can't get hold of you seen yeah, okay. Try Brian. Okay. I will I will I'll try you saying for you see how you get on. And then I'll get in touch with Brine and then we'll do loads of shears and tag Marathon talk in there so that they'll they'll see what we what we're trying to do and you never know it might happen one day fingers crossed a we need to aim high don't we? Yeah, well, maybe if we both wear the t-shirts the up do a run together post it in and they know that we're serious fans and we're not messing around. Yeah. Yeah, we'll do it that do that. Yeah. We're definitely were about to the middle because Swansea and I'm card this week but now I'm caught. I'm pembrokeshire. I'm down again. Yes you are but that's fine or pembroke's is Brides of Allah. Give me an excuse to get down there. I come to kind of create a lot. So I'll be in touch. We'll sort something. I'm sure yeah, let's do a couple of weeks actually. So yeah, I'll be in touch. Yes was a date very very much for joining. I have love this chat. I was so excited to get to speak to you and just find out more. Yes, Ben golden love. Me to thank you so much for having me. I really loved in it's an absolute privilege to be are so thank you so much Natalie. Thank you and also because it was a nice lengthy interview full of brilliant brilliant tips. No, honestly, it was it was brilliant, but just said my apologies to been for robbing you of like and leaving him. I know. Ben thanks. Ted. Shut up to Bevin. Yeah. I'm just fixing faculty. Not a problem. Thank you so much Nat by Thank you guys so much for joining today and listening to not another Runner podcast. Please tell your friends and family who you think would enjoy the content. I'll be sharing. Don't forget you can get in touch with me over on Instagram by another Runner. Let me know your thoughts on the Pod casting suggestions on guests or topics. This is greatly appreciated. Send me your questions through as well if you want and use the hashtag white I run to be featured and hey, if you can hit subscribe to the podcast, this will really help me to be able to give you more. Thank you again. And remember when you get up and exercise or go for a run, you never regret going, but you always regret not go in. Have a great week guys and speak soon.

Lizzie Dimond, a Wife, mother of four, a drama teacher, club member of Lliswerry Runners in Newport, and I have to say a very SPEEEDY runner. Lizzie started running in 2017, just 7 months into her running Journey and having gone through an incredibly tough time with her family, Lizzie went on to run her first Half Marathon in an incredible 1:35, despite having no time goal! Lizzie would go on to fall pregnant with her fourth child, and continue to run during her pregnancy and bounced back after the pregnancy really quickly! Lizzie would then go on to run a half marathon shortly after giving birth, and incredibly decided to train for her first marathon whilst only a couple months postpartum. Lizzie ran the Great Welsh Marathon April 2019 and came 2nd Lady, in her DEBUT MARATHON- completing in a crazy time of 3:12:04. Me and Lizzie chatted so much running that I’ve put together a Part 1 & 2…to this Episode. Stay tuned for such an incredibly inspiring story. Lizzie’s enthusiasm just beams loudly through her voice and it was a joy to catch up with her. What to Expect in Part 2:   -How Lizzie managed to fit in the training while having four kids and Toby being only several months old. -The compromise and balance required with a busy family life and intense training schedule -How Balance is tough but crucial -How she fit in her training around work, and family  - Essentials to the marathon training - including being kind to herself  - Why she wouldn’t compare herself to others  - About her first injury prior to the Great Welsh Marathon and how she overcame this  - How she kept herself motivated towards the Great Welsh Marathon  - How she improved and built on her fitness  - The Biggest Lesson she learnt in the Marathon & the price she paid for this - How she was able to bounce back after her Marathon Debut, which was a podium finish - Lizzie’s next Big Goal and Challenge - Why Lizzie started documenting her Running Story on Instagram   -Who inspires and motivates Lizzie  - What’s her reason to run, and her purpose   Links:  Lizzie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/runnerof4/ Run1 ’s Elevated Energy https://www.run1.co.uk/pages/vitality-nataliehawkins  Natalie - Not Another Runner Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/notanotherrunner/ Blog: https://notanotherrunner.home.blog/  Easy Thrills Podcast  https://anchor.fm/easythrills Interview with Easy Thrills Podcast https://anchor.fm/easythrills/episodes/Natalie-Hawkins---Not-another-runner-e488pg

Hello, my darling. I need to tell you about our sponsor anchor dot f m. Anchor is a podcast creation and distribution tool. And it gives you everything you need to record edit. Plus they'll distribute your podcast to all of the major channels including Spotify Apple podcasts and Google podcasts free of charge you can make money with no minimum listenership and it couldn't be easier. Download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started sweet dreams. Hello, my darling. Thank you for joining me today. I have something of an exciting treat. A multi chapter story that you probably remember from your childhood. It is called Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, and it was written by Lewis Carroll in 1865. This will be a multi-part series. So if you happen to fall asleep early on don't worry, there will be plenty to listen to coming up. Before we begin I would like for you. to relax Take a deep breath in. Let it out slowly. And if you'd like you can close your eyes. As I read to you. chapter one down the rabbit hole. Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank and of having nothing to do. Once or twice she had peeped to her sisters book, but had no pictures or conversations. And what is the use of a book but Alice without pictures or conversations? So she was considering in her own mind for the hot day made her feel very sleepy and slow minded. Whether the pleasure of making a daisy-chain worth the trouble of getting up and picking the daisies. When suddenly a white rabbit with pink eyes ran very close by. There was nothing so very remarkable in that nor did Alice think it was so very much out of the way to hear the rabbit itself as he exclaimed. Oh, dear. Oh dear. I shall be late. What you thought it over afterwards it occurred to her that she ought to have wondered at this. But at the time this all seemed quite natural. When the rabbit actually took a lunch out of his waistcoat pocket and looked at it and then hurried on. Let's jump to her feet for it flashed across her mind that she had never before seen a rabbit with either a waistcoat or a watch to take out of it. And burning with curiosity. She ran across the field after it. And fortunately was just in time to see it pop down a large rabbit-hole under a Ledge. In another moment down went Alice after it never once considering how in the world she would get out again. The rabbit hole went straight on like a tunnel for some way and then dipped suddenly down. so suddenly that Alice had not a moment to think about stopping herself. Before she found herself falling down a very deep well. You ever will was very deep or she fell very slowly for she had plenty of time as she went down to look about her and to wonder what was going to happen next. First she tried to take a look down and make out where she was falling. But it was too dark to see anything. And then she looked at the sides of the well and noticed that they were filled with cupboards and bookshelves. Here and there she saw maps and pictures hung upon pegs. She took down a jar from one of the shelves as she passed it and saw that it was labelled orange marmalade but to her great disappointment. It was empty. She did not like to drop the jar for fear of killing somebody so she managed to put it into one of the cupboards as she fell fast down next to it. Well thought Alice to herself. After such a fall is this I shall think nothing of tumbling down the stairs. How brave they'll all think of me at home why I wouldn't say anything about it, even if I fell off the top of my house This was very likely true. down down down Well the fall never come to an end. I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time. She asked aloud. I must be getting somewhere near the center of the earth. Let me see that would be about 4,000 miles down. I think for you see Alice had learned several things of this sort in her lessons in the schoolroom. And though this was not a very good opportunity for showing off her knowledge as there was no one to listen to her. Still she felt it was a good practice to say it out loud. Yes, that's about the right distance. But then I wonder what latitude or longitude I've gotten to. Alice of course I had no idea what latitude was or longitude either but thought they were nice Grand words to say. Presently she began again. I wonder if I shall fall right through the Earth how funny it'll seem to come Out Among the people that walk with their heads pointed downwards the antibodies. I think she was rather glad there was no one listening this time that she didn't think that sounded like the right word at all. But I shall have to ask them what the name of their country is, you know, please ma'am. Is this New Zealand or Australia? And she tried to curtsey as she spoke fancy curtseying as you're falling through the air. Do you think you could manage it? And what an ignorant little girl she'll think me for asking. No, it'll never do to ask perhaps I shall see it written up somewhere. down down down Alice kept falling There was nothing else to do so Alice soon began talking again. Dinah'll miss me very much tonight. I should think Dinah was her cat. I hope they'll remember her saucer of milk at tea-time. Dinah my dear. I wish you were down here with me. There are no mice in the air. I'm afraid but you might catch a bat and that's very much like a mouse, you know. But the cats eat bats they wonder and here Alice began to get rather sleepy. And she went on saying to herself in a dreamy sort of way do cats eat bats to cats eat bats and sometimes do bats eat cats for you. See she couldn't answer either question. So it didn't much matter which way she put it. She felt that she was dozing off and had just begun to dream that she was walking hand-in-hand with Dinah and saying to her very earnestly now Dinah tell me the truth. Did you ever eat a bat when suddenly? Down She Came Upon a heap of sticks and dry leaves. And her Paul was over. That was was not hurt and she jumped up on her feet in a moment. She looked up but it was all dark overhead. Before her was another long passage and the White Rabbit was still in sight hurrying down it. There was not a moment to be lost away went Alice like the wind and was just in time to hear it say as it turned a corner. Oh my ears and whiskers how late it's getting. She was close behind the rabbit the rabbit read faster and soon she can no longer see him. She found herself alone it alone low, which was lit up by a row of lamps hanging from the ceiling. There were doors all around the whole but they all looked looked at what Alice that bit down one side and up the other she tried every door. She walked sadly back down the middle. Wondering how she would ever get out again. Suddenly She Came Upon a little three-legged table. Oh made of solid glass. There was nothing on it, except a tiny Golden Key. I was his first thought was that it might belong to one of the doors down the hall. but alas either the locks or two large or the key was too small. But at any rate this key would not open any of them. However on the second time around She Came Upon a low curtain. She had not noticed before and behind. It was a little door about 15 inches high. She tried the little golden key in the lock and to her great Delight it fit. Alice opened the door and found that it led into a small passage, not much larger than a rat's whole she knelt down and looked along the passage into the loveliest Garden. She had ever seen. Now she loved to get out of that dark hole at wonder about among those beds of flowers and Seed fountains. But she could not even get her head through the doorway. And she thought even if my head could go through it would be a very little leaves to me without my shoulders. Oh how I wish I could fold myself up like a telescope. I think I could if only I knew how to begin for you. See so many out of the way things had happened lately that Alice had begun to think that very few things were really impossible. There seemed to be no use in waiting by the tiny door. So she went back to the table half hoping she might find another key or at any rate a book of rules for folding people up like telescopes. This time she found a little bottle on the table, which was certainly not here before said Ellis and around the neck of the bottle was a paper label with the words drink me. beautifully printed on it in large letters It was all very well to say drink me but the wise little Alice was not going to do that in any hurry. No, she said I'll look around first and see whether it's marked poison. Luckily for Alice. She had read several nice little histories about children who had gotten burn or eaten up by wild beasts and other unpleasant things all because they would not remember the simple rules their friends had taught them such as a red-hot poker will burn you if you hold it for too long. And if you cut your finger very deeply with a knife it usually bleeds. And she had never forgotten that. If you drink much from a bottle marked poison, she knew that would almost certainly disagree with her sooner or later. However, this bottle was not marked poison. So Alice ventured to taste it and finding it very nice. It had in fact a sort of mixed Flavour of cherry tart custard pine-apple roast turkey toffee and hot buttered toast. She very soon finished it off. What a curious feeling said Alice. I must be folding up like a telescope. And so it was indeed. She was now only 10 inches high and her face brightened up at the thought that she was now the right size for going through the little door into that lovely Garden first. However, she waited for a few minutes to see if she was going to shrink any further. She felt a little nervous about this for it might end, you know said Alice to herself. In my going out altogether it might end like a candle. I wonder what I should be like that. And she tried to fancy what the flame of a candle of like after the candle is blown out. For she could not remember ever having seen such a thing. After a while finding that nothing more had happened she decided on going into the garden at once. But alas for poor Alice. What you got to the door? She found she had forgotten her little Golden Key. And when she went back to the table for it, she found she could not possibly reach it. She could see it quite plainly through the glass and she tried her best to climb up one of the legs of the table. But it was glass and slippery and when she had tired herself out with trying little Alice sat down on the floor and cried. Oh, come on. She said to herself. There's no use in crying like this. Stop crying right now. She generally gave herself very good advice, even though she seldom followed it and sometimes she scolded herself. So severely as to bring tears into her own eyes, and once she remembered trying to hit her own ears for having cheated herself in a game of croquet. She was playing against herself. For this curious child was very fond of pretending to be two people. But it's no use now thought poor Alice to pretend to be two people why there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person soon her eye fell on a little glass box that was sitting under the table. She opened it and found it a very small cake on which the words eat me. Were beautifully marked and Carol. Well, I'll eat it Fidelis. If it makes me grow larger, I can reach the key and if it makes me grow smaller, I can creep under the door. So either way I'll get into that garden and I don't care anymore what happens? She ate a little bite and said anxiously to herself which way which way will I grow through my shrink? She held her hand on the top of her head to build which way it was growing and she was quite surprised to find that she remained the same size. To be sure this generally happens when one eats cake, but Alice had gotten so much into the way of expecting nothing, but out-of-the-way things to happen. It seemed quite dull and silly for life to be so common now. She decided her only option was to finish eating the cake. and she did and she did

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I'm Seaman rule Welcome To Live Like You're Dying the podcast my personal journey of living with terminal cancer has led me to believe that most of the perceived problems and worries going on in our heads could be changed by embracing the simple fact that we all only have one life and that none of us are promised another day on this beautiful planet. We all call home regardless.Of our current health status after all would you seriously stay in the job you hate or the relationship that makes you miserable. If you truly felt your life could end next year. Hell no, you'd be out doing the things that make you happy and you certainly wouldn't be worrying about your dress size either in this groundbreaking podcast. I interview people who are living incredible lives not despite adversity, but the cause of it through their inspiring stories. You too. Will uncover the life-changing magic of living like you are dying. You're a journey to a more connected. Joyful and compassionate Life starts right now today. I'm joined by Doctor David Hamilton David has a PHD in organic chemistry and spent four years in the pharmaceutical industry developing drugs for kaido cardiovascular disease and cancer. Inspired by the placebo effect. He left the industry to write books and educate people and how they can harness their mind and emotions to improve their health. He is now the author of 10 books including the little book of kindness how your mind can heal your body. I heart me and the Amazon bestseller the five side effects of kindness. He writes a regular blog on his website and occasionally blogs for The Huffington Post. David is a kindness are for psychologies magazine and rakes the kindness conversation and the kindness project. He is also the life hacks monthly columnist for Soul and Spirit magazine and in 2016. He was voted best rater by readers of kindred spirit magazine. David is featured in the award-winning documentary. He'll he appears regularly in the media and was recently featured on channel 4's live show Sunday brunch. In the UK and CBS Sunday Morning in the USA. David is an advocate for kindness and is working passionately to help inspire a Kinder World. Hello, David or hope you honor my God. That sounds like a quick we have to use in my bio just treated it like oh, wow. It makes me so much more interesting than actually it's quite an impressive by all of it. I don't know about that. Yeah. Well, that's us That's me being Scottish it when people I find being Scottish when people compliment me the first time make my habit is to play it down. You know, I don't think it's very much a Scottish Leonardo anyone could do that and I think I think when when I'm in America if I compliment someone they go right on. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I am ball those things that I do I should because I have a book on self-love. I should embrace that people say something nice to be my face cause red. This is well. It's over before it even afford it. Yeah, thanks. Anyways so much for seeing all those nice things. Thank you so much for being on my podcast - it's an absolute honor to have you on here my first fellow Scot so brilliant, as you know, the topic is about inspiring listeners to live there like life as if they're dying. So really to embrace that Fact that we all are only promised today. Yeah, and I just would really love your take on that and how some of your experiences in your life that shape that but to start with you could just give a little introduction to yourself aside from that impressive bio. I thought well, I guess my background actually is organic chemistry, which is nothing to do with organic food. I always find myself explaining that because we're in this this time what a lot of people are Are looking to switch to healthier Lifestyles and whenever I say I'm an organic chemist people assume it's something to do with organic food. But an organic chemist, let me tends to work in the pharmaceutical industry. So that's really what I did my PhD in organic chemistry, but I used to build cardiovascular and cancer drugs and when I see build, it's just like Lego but instead of using colored bricks of different shapes and sizes the Lego bricks of an organic chemist and atoms but the principles Exactly the same and out of carbons hydrogen's nitrogen's and oxygens. We assemble a variety of shapes the vast majority of which become the medicines that people gets get prescribed it when they go to the doctor. So I was working on cardiovascular medicine and cancer and I got really inspired by the placebo effect, you know, the sheer number of people who were improving on placebos and rather than just the semester as just a placebo effect, and I'm saying that an inverted Commerce because that's what most of my colleagues would say. It's just a placebo effect. I think the way my mind works is I couldn't accept that I needed to work but what's happening and why so I started to research and uncovered a pile of research data and evidence that showed that when you believe something that belief itself Alters your brain chemistry in your brain networks and ultimately has a physic can have a physical effect on the body. So I left the job. The four years and started writing books and you know graphing talks and workshops helping people to understand that relationship between the mind and the body but more than that how they can use that how they can harness it in a positive way to improve areas of the health and it's absolutely phenomenal. So the first time I became aware of you was in that documentary I mentioned in your bio which is heel and it was I mean, it just blew my mind. It was amazing the stuff you were talking about and I think especially because of your your background as well. It really validated it a lot for me your thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I really loved you. I believe I was the last person it to be interviewed. I think they literally were just wrapping up the whole thing at the end. And one of the other authors being interviewed had mentioned me and they thought that be really great. So so they came they flew me over to New York and we did the interview and it was literally there were only Let's of Furnishing and about to start moving to Ed. So it's really can Allah Kiya. I was really pleased to be on it. Actually really pleased. It's amazing anyone who's listening who's not watched heel. You can get it on Netflix now, I believe and on Amazon Prime and it's definitely worth watching. It is absolutely brilliant. I've watched about four times. It's really really good. Do you watch that the first time I wore I watched the whole thing back as it was when it first. Came out actually commitment iTunes the year before and the very first thing I did when it came up Netflix was fast forward to all my bets to make sure I hadn't been cut out, you know, you know what you never know actors and films you never know with all that you do actually appears in the final edit because you know, it's got to edit to tell her a story. It's going to have an additive and I was just wondering if it altered the narrative in a way that hadn't because all my seven times I think and all my servant So exactly the same as the only thing they did was they cut it a joke that stalls I said I was describing the interior of an atom and I said so you got you got inside a sale you find DNA sequencing the DNA you find items and said the items there's nothing there except protons neutrons electrons, and then I said croutons and morons the abruptly cut that but I could tell the really sharp jump cut the didn't like you. Good Scottish humor anyway, so it's brilliant. So we talked in the past in previous conversations about kind of your take on this and some of your experiences and something we were talking about which you mention in your book. I heart me. He's your dog Oscar. Yeah. I wondered if you could talk the lister's to your experience with Oscar. Yeah. Sorry. That's it's been a lie. He's hoping that someone at the door, I'm just gonna have to ask my life partner. She can answer that so funny. All right. Sorry, that's what happens when you're doing a live a live interview and you're living in a house in a busy street and dunblane all the odds commitment absolutely does. Yeah, it's so yeah, that's what my dog Oscar. He came into my life believe it or not it two days before I started working on a book on self-love and he passed away two days before I finished and he Let's learn and I think he came into my life for that reason, but I learned so much from I mean literally I've said this, you know, I've written about this in many ways that you're literally changed my life. But one of the significant things is you had to get a leg amputated at one point and it was a it was a lifetime's leg. And I remember when we took him in from the operation. We would all Ted up we were really terribly upset. And you know, we went to pick him up from the vet at the end of the day and it had this of completely messing layer. Give us stole say me dosed and the vet told us to put our toll underneath these back end because he won't understand that. It doesn't have a leg and we were true. I was crying, you know Elizabeth. My partner was crying and we were devastated and I managed to get him home and he woke up in the middle of the night and Decided you needed to go to the Loo. Thank you been under anesthetic and all that. And again, we have to put this tow a lot Penny. He was swaying side to side because he was still cannot under anesthetic was so slightly doors and we were crying because the try to take him out saying they couldn't support his own weight. It was all because it was under the anesthetic a little bit and it was traumatic and the swaps it could barely sleep all night, but then the most magical thing happened, but they slept on Till about 9:00 o'clock. Then he got up just got up bones than the one leg because dogs it took most of the weight believe it or not on the front two legs on the front arms. You could say, I think it's Lex at least 60 percent of the weight they take on the front. So that's why a lot of dogs can actually quite comfortable thing with cats a without one of the back legs and then he just got up any tail was wagging picked up a ball and stuff have to play with it and then in that too. The back to go to the Loo I just bounced away on one leg. And is that it's a this is what happens every day. And then he said and it was like he didn't even notice and then luckily for the next couple of months. It'll literally it just loved his life as normal. I mean, he actually I kept saying to people I don't know if he actually noticed that he's missing a leg. How does he know that? This isn't just what happens in life. Obviously, they I'm putting a human anthropomorphizing at the sluicey honor and I'm put humans when he won't actually be thinking of having a conversation. Actually said and that's what happens kind of thing. You just took it in this straight living in the moment is there you know, this is just my life and he just got on with his life and he was as happy as it was before hand and that was a life changing moment for me because it suddenly thrust me into looking at all. The things in my life that I can said that problems stuff that I complained about worried about and I thought Oscar's just had these back leg taken I doesn't care a jot. He's literally just bouncing away happily is that this is the kind of thing that happens every day and it was just and and not a not overstating it when I say for me. It was a life changing event. It was suddenly thrust into that reality of So much of happiness is related to how you look at things your attitude to things and if Oscar was a typical if article with me, I could not have bounced back that quick. I'd been you know talking about either been hot. I live in you know feeling sorry for myself. Sometimes I don't know. I've not been in that kind of situation, but I absolutely know that despite all my spiritual training and all my positive fact, I think most of my positive thinking Probably have gone right out the window for a period of time as I as I came to terms with what happened, but you know Oscar is the newest just got on with his life. It was asked workers that it was that totally mindful living in the moment and it was inspiring to me and I got to live with that every single day for the next, you know, three months of that inspiration of him. Just teaching me every day about living in the moment. Wow, and at the animals and children they can teach adults so much so much. Yeah. Yeah it really it really was a life-changing thing. I mean I learned so much from Moscow about plea as well. And about what's important. Remember he broke my laptop screen once and I think he did it on purpose because I I was the playmate and the house despite the fact that when he arrived as a poppy I was You know, I assumed I'd be the head of the household in the mail the alpha male. Yeah, I just assumed that but in actual fact, I was number three and the house so Oscar was one Elizabeth was too and I clearly was number three and the pecking order and so he just saw me is that the person that plays with me every day and and I don't have I found the time but I was going and I between walking and playing spent about five hours together playing or walking every day to this. The I don't know how I fit in that time. I mean, I do remember I used to get up obscenely early in the morning and work for two hours got cut past five. Something's in the morning work for two hours before I got Oscar up them to go for a walk. So I did manage to fit everything in but we play in the evenings as well. But so but that's protecting me what he broke my laptop. We were under certain watching the tell a typical night and he'd been sleeping and he got up and I saw him having re-stretch and you just Turned at me and smiled. There's a fuzzy right Dad. I'm going to find a ball and then he would go pack up a ball and chain to play and that's one time as many times. I'm sitting on my laptop try to catch up on some work that our message during the day and I'm I'm typing away and he'd go there's a few said that if we do not play with me and I got Jaime boy and I kick title and he'd look at me and then he come up and what you always used to do was stick his wet nose in my eye socket and that was his way of seeing. I'm right in your face here. Do you not understand? It's playtime, you know when I get up and I'm a week we either eat or we play so I'm not eating right now. So clearly it's playtime dad. What are you doing? And so slick note the way I let the weight noise and I sock it doesn't know he's pushing them off and I'm probably talking are wary because I'm desperately trying to finish this email and he saw the laptop as often happens, and he just looked at his nose and he gear up bug nudge like that. It fell on the floor and scream broke awareness it broke at the crack, but it went off fuzzy and violet indigo and violet and slept up. So sorry it slipped down. So the actual the portion of the skin with water and actually slept underneath. I use a Mac underneath the dock so you couldn't actually see the bottom of the screen and and then I had no choice but to just play and then I love that and he used to do it all the time and it Eventually what happened when I finally got the message. It was a couple of weeks later. I finally got through to me that Oscar just wants to play and I'm taking my life too. Seriously and I'm taking myself and my work too. Seriously if he wants to play Let's have a we have first timer I can catch up another time. I can fly I can adapt to this see when I really got that this is going to sound corny, right? But my my screen started working again spontaneously healed it. Yes, of course. It did David, you know, the child doesn't want to feel second best to to laptop because the child doesn't understand what See as you're choosing that over me and Oscar was the same the dog was the same. You said he you're choosing that over me, but I'm gonna break it for you to make sure that you understand the message here. So but when I really got the message and really took that on board that it's about living in the moment and giving your time and attention to people that need you more important than finishing a couple of emails that can wait really, they're not that it's not the end of the world. The first email doesn't give reply to for example today when I really got that message from Allah. Top heel that stuff just started walking so funny. I think that's such an important message because I think especially now when we all have mobile phones and laptops and iPads and not so many gadgets. Yeah, we're constantly in this I need to reply no no, no and we're missing the moment. Absolutely. So important. You're absolutely right and that's that's typical in this world and I'm seeing typical as if it happens to everyone except me, but I'm exactly the same and I'm very conscious of the fact. That I spent far too much time on my on my devices and I call it work, but do I need to be doing it as much as I do probably not, you know probably know I could spend more time. I think what let just about everyone. I know I could probably spend more time having a bit more balance in a bit more. I mean I try to I play tennis about four times a week and I make a point of absolutely doing that usually during my lunch hour, but some things like this morning I was down in the The court eight o'clock it playing a game is so I try to fit that in at least four times something's five or six and it's part of what I do to relax also to keep fit as well. But it's like I think so many of us we have to really get that into your heads the importance of not giving our life away to a device. He's not giving our life away to what we perceive as more important things which in the grander scheme of things. Maybe they're not quite Important as we think they are. Yeah, and I think we can we can make them seem more important. Especially when we associate that word work with them. This is work. Yeah, that actually is it is it needed work? Yeah. Yeah. It's I think we really need to alter power on board that me too Anita's. Well, I was gonna saw Oscar Believers in your life. Was it for two years three years or two when he passed away it was too. Yeah, just two years and two months actually and I wanted to Ask some of the values that he taught you in going through his short life with you and his life being cut unexpectedly short still, you know, you've talked about that value of playing more and working less and valuing your time. Is it is because I'm the reason I'm asking I know you're such an advocate for kindness and connection with others. So, is there anything around that yeah, absolutely. I would see my recognition of the importance. Of kindness went up by an order of magnitude when I suddenly had to you know, be a parent to Oscar is actually to be honest. I didn't want to have a dog that was it was Elizabeth Arden Elizabeth who they wanted a dog and she wanted a labrador for years because she had the experience of her neighbors when she was young had a Labrador and Elizabeth used to look after them quite a lot and I really didn't want The dog because I didn't think I thought I was too busy and I didn't really feel I needed the extra responsibility. So I became a reluctant bad but it literally changed my life. Literally when all of a sudden you recognize in those first couple of days that this but little puppy is completely and absolutely dependent upon me. And he so much so that he followed me around. I mean, I was a joke about not being alpha male, but I think he didn't print on me and that right at the start because he literally followed me around everywhere. I mean, it was like my feet for watch certain watching TV in the evening is lying at my feet and I thought I'll just nip and and get a cup of tea and the moment I get up. He just gets up wakens up Falls me and I'm boiling the kettle and it comes in camps under my legs again what I'm talking my feet and he just he followed me everywhere. And suddenly realizing that he is completely and absolutely dependent upon me and I had written at that point one of my first book and kindness a few years earlier and it's like just actually the you really like I said the book and Kane is published by came. This is good for you. It was my first on the subject. And all of a sudden being faced practically worth a little pop that was completely dependent upon me. It made me take the message of of kindness to heart. But I really had to do everything I could to care for them to look after them which really was kindness and compassion but to to try to make him happy and have a really great life and that was accelerated. Obviously when he he got sick when he was about 18 just over 18 months old. That for me to keep my I get called at the awareness of kindness to another level. You know, I probably just like anyone else normal, but I think sometimes in life situations thrust themselves upon you which tests you do you really can you walk your talk on another level. Can I think so. I would see that X Oscar's been in my life accelerated my awareness. Us and thinking about kindness and it's no surprise that when you passed away, you know a year later I published another book on kindness and then another one again just this year and that's been an acceleration. It really sends us have been in my life because I had to I was faced with the need to be kind every single day several times a day every single day in my life where it previously really just been out in the street or when people needed me, but now it was Every day in my life and some respects and and so that you know, I like to take put a positive spin on things I suppose and I would say that I'm grateful it for the experience of even Oscar was only in my life for two years and it was traumatic towards the end, but I'm grateful for the experience because it literally changed my life but especially on kindness and so I've written a lot since then on what kindness does to you. Five side effects of kindness is my best-selling came this book and I really charted all the physiological and psychological effects of what happens when you be kind and it all comes down to how that makes you feel. So in other words one of the thing the points I've made in all of my rating and when I speak about it is the only way that you can benefit from an act of kindness physiological or psychological as if you mean it and I call this naturist Catch-22 you can Gain, from an act of kindness if you don't mean it because all of the physiological benefits the effect on the cardiovascular system on your heart your arteries on the immune system and the nervous system all of those benefits come from how you feel and the only way you can get the feeling as if you mean it you can't do an act of kindness and not mean it because if you don't mean it you can do the act of kindness and not mean it won't benefit you in the slightest because you don't feel it. But if you mean it and for that court that creates a feeling that psychologists and social scientists call elevation, which is a broad term that describes that feeling of warmth or connection or even gratitude of satisfaction that comes from kindness It's the opposite of the feelings of stress in many ways. It's that feeling that generates a very important hormonal changes in the body and even in changes in little small molecules in the body that have fantastic effects. They have lot don't they give rise to do When you effects of positive stuff inside the body by boosting the immune system turning the nervous system causing an anti-inflammatory effect causing a blood pressure lowering effect. And it's absolutely wonderful how all that happens, you know, and I would say amazing. Yeah, it's absolutely amazing. I love talking about it. It's so exciting because this stuff wasn't really well known in the public until they wrote the book. I mean, I'm not being Scottish. I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet. I don't mean that I mean the research has been there in the medical journals, but unless somebody goes into those journals and pools are all the data and writes it in a format for the average person No One Ever Knows about it. And so I'm quite proud of the fact that I dived into the jungles of saying took the medical journals. They sociology journals the psychology journals and I pulled all that stuff at collected all together and packaged it in a way that the average person can read and go. Wow, that's absolutely amazing. And I think that's why I get so passionate. Talking about it, but Oscar certainly catalyzed that by bringing home to me the experience by forcing upon me. They need to be kind every single day several times a day kind and compassionate. It's amazing and I agree. It's it's really good to have it in the public eye because so, you know, I handed out I hunt was still do hand out random acts of kindness and I had no idea about all the these benefits that were going on in my body. Get that and I think it's just we want to make the world a Kinder place than it is about talking about this in a much more open. We in the value of kindness not just to the person receiving it that the person authentically being kind as well. I was going to ask you so the podcast is obviously about that notion of the living like we're dying and realizing the fact that you know, our lives could end at any point any of us regardless of our health status. So would you say that your number one value? Value within that or maybe it's something else but is it the kindness? Is it about being kind to people? Yeah, that's like when you first asked me to go on this podcast and I had I had a long think about what what my message would be and it really boiled down to that. I think for me it really boils down to the fact that I want to make people happier if I can. And you know people people close to me, for example, if I was really just having to live in the moment then I think what I'd been looking to do is improve the lives of first of all the people in my media life and and then it but then I would find myself it looking to little let you talk about a lot as little random acts of kindness, you know, you people on the street people at certainly in shops. I mean, I love just being nice to shop assassin. And I love being nice to customer service staff. Yeah, especially because that's not what they used to get. You know what I had and it's funny how it comes back on you in a really positive way. I was flying to Australia a couple months ago. I had a conference that I was speaking out and because of the way my diary what time is literally in Australia for six days. So all I remember is two weeks of jet lag and being there for a week and by the time Leaving Australia my body clock had caught up with Australian team. Then I was flying home. So obviously it's like for a fortnight and but but I remember when I was going over there and I didn't know that you're supposed to ask for you know, like a vegetarian or vegan meal. I don't know. I thought they would have plenty in the didn't have any so when it came to me because I'm certain economy class the way at the back of the plate the clean so I was one of the last to get served. And did nothing a vegetarian or a vegan left and the girl was so apologetic and do the sun. She was expecting me to make a fuss and I didn't ask that don't worry about it some sort of saying I honestly didn't know I was supposed to preorder. Thanks for letting me know cause I'll definitely do that on the return and she's always there anything else I could get for the acid will be most gonna have that little bread roll. That'll do. I'm actually that that's fine and I'm is a joke, and I thought you know Actually fasting is really healthy and I've been meaning to start fasting maybe one day a week. So this is great. So what I might do for have that bread roll that would be absolutely fine. But, you know great and she was just so blown away by the fact that I didn't make it out to be wrong. I didn't get one turn apparently customer service staff are used to people being mean to them. So so she said, oh here take a leap. You want your bottle away your little bottle - oh, yes. Thanks very much. Then she said, oh here take another one to give it to So anyway, I'm certain the mou been a drawing but quite of an hour later. She comes back up with a really high-end meal that should borrowed or stolen from first class first class and phone. There was one vegan meal left and it was amazing that was like proper Force pre-pack you pull the plastic off. That's a proper bag Buster. Hey Courtney, she came back. I'm just like I just I really wanted to give you this. You're so nice. L am really grateful that you were so sweet and gentle about it and you know, we had this new spear. So please take it and she gave me another Revolt the way and all from just simply being nice to someone and I'm not saying that kind of thing happens every day, but it does happen more than it doesn't meaning if you're nice to someone it usually comes back around in some way because if you're nice to someone one then this feeling better research shows that that always has a ripple effect to even if you're nice to a shop assistant for example, and that's your persistence feeling better. They will pass that good cheer on to the next few customers. And then those customers will go feeling a little bit Boyd in this is a research shows that should this ripple effect is actually be measured by scientists. They will go on the street and interact one with a positive slope with other people, but not just one person, but with several people what you get end up getting Want some of the research found that if you became to someone then given the average degree of interactions that we have at the very least that person feeling a little bit better. We'll probably be kind of came down to five people over the next few hours later given the average degree of interactions that we have often times. It's more than that depending on where you work really interact but on average if you average out at least five Ah, that's called one social step. Um you but each of those five people will also feeling a little bit better be kind or kinder to a further five people over the next two or three years or so. Now we have 25 people and these are our two social steps from you. But research shows that it actually goes to three social steps. In other words, each of those 25 will be caned or cane dare to fight for the people. So that gives you 125 people are benefited just from one thing. That you did that was quite nice for someone and I'm the point I'm making is that happens every day several times a day. So it's so whatever you put out India the chances are you're going to get it back in some way and not necessarily as a physical event, but it might just be a change in the the positive tone or the gentle tone of the environment that you find yourself and and you wonder why it suddenly changed part of the reason why it's changed as a ripple effect of something that you did perhaps. Yes. Let's go The day before and you just haven't realized that what you do actually has consequences. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So I love charting these little things and figuring all this out in my mind. Now of all these ripples of kindness that's brilliant. What is it? Cause you're doing random acts of kindness a lot and you're writing about that means it's incredible the amount of Goodwill that you're actually put there in the world and and partly seeing this for you benefit that you probably as a right. To let myself in this field probably don't even realize the good that you're doing because it becomes I think when you're making a point of being kind to people you stop noticing that that's what you're doing because it's just your habits. Just what you do and you know when you're yeah, it's just what you do. So you use forget to notice that people are actually benefiting from it. And I really just wanted to draw attention to the fact that for you and other people listening who are just naturally kind people you are. I'm making a phenomenal difference and even if you don't notice it every single thing that you see and do as actually altering the tone of the environment that you find yourself and plus the environments in the community and in the way their world, that's so powerful because it's that thing, you know, I have people say to me, you know, the world is in a bad place or you know, you all the stuff in the media what difference can I make what you're really drawn attention to is actually you can make a massive difference because You affect people's a hundred and twenty-five people and then someone else effects and it just goes on and on and on I will Proclaim we are changing our world for the better. Yeah. Yeah. I just something sticker weibo longer and I don't know this but how do you know that? How do you not know that maybe something you've said or done has somehow got back to what influenced in the moment post. Someone is feeling who's about to make a very important decision that has a way that effect in the world and how do you know that what you've done or said or written about has? And some way just had a little bit of an impact on that person's most recent interaction. And without realizing you might actually be influencing a major decision that's taking place and your community and your work or even in the world and you just never know but I'm point but I'd like to draw attention to the fact that you that we might as well keep doing it because it's the right thing to do but you're always making a difference even when you don't realize it. I think that's amazing. Yes, and it's so Powerful, I think everyone who's listening will take something away from that. Definitely. Yeah. I'm going to wrap up no to the way. I think I said, I don't like them our podcasts to overrun to able to run too long. I know people are busy living their lives, but the last question I always ask everybody. So I'm going to put you on the spot with it if you if you knew you were going to die tomorrow, what would you do differently to do? with your time Oh, wow. Oh, that's okay. That's putting in the sporty thoroughly do it. You know this the Soma I think what I'd do I'd want to do is get all of my loved ones together and tell them all home important. They are in my life and how much I love them all and it see if I can give each of its them a little bit of advice based on my person. Option of of them and with a life has some positive advice but really in a positive way talking them up you're doing great. For example, they are just express some gratitude for even specific things that's happened that they may have said or done that ventless more later. They might not have noticed how important that was. So I would spend my time doing that probably. I guess you were probably expecting me. I think it was this guide. I know I wasn't but that's all well that what and just that's what I would do. What always strikes me is people actually always answer really really really never liked or It Go, I'd want to go and see this place. It's actually I tell people I was that wonderful and that's the thing that we could actually do. It's within our grasp every single day, isn't it? That's true. And that's what I find really fascinating about this. Why waiting it's yeah why exactly, why wait It's amazing. Wow what I encourage you to tell them all. This is awesome. If this is a message is spreading to people my God's life changing. Actually. I never saw. Wow. I really hope so. So how can people find out more about you David and the amazing stuff that you're doing and I want my website is dr. David Hamilton.com and all my social media feeds you can access from the So Instagram and Facebook and David are Hamilton PhD, but you can act you can access that from my website there anyway, and on my website there's a courses Tab and I have a free course that I just gave away to anyone who wants it on the biology and contagiousness of kindness with over four lessons. I just teach it for video and audio lessons and worksheets are basically teach all the different ways that kindness has an effect and set you up. A practical exercises and challenges for getting the most out of it. So it's on the courses tab on my website. It's totally free. You don't need your auntie, you know saying anything that you literally just put your name and your email address so that my system knows where to send your login details to and that's a brilliant. Thank you so much for being on today David. I really really appreciate your time and for you sharing your Pearls of Wisdom. Life and kindness and your experience with Oscar. It's been really lovely and thank you so much. Well, thank you for you and it's been an absolute pleasure having this conversation. That's what it felt like a conversation to have loved at. Thank you. I'm femen Rule and you've been listening to live like you are dying the podcast you can follow me on Instagram Twitter and Facebook. And if you haven't yet, then go to your podcast app And subscribe rate and review this podcast join me next time for another inspiring interview about living like you are dying.

In this episode I speak with Dr David Hamilton about the importance of bringing play and kindness into our lives. David has a PhD in organic chemistry and spent 4 years in the pharmaceutical industry, developing drugs for cardiovascular disease and cancer. Inspired by the placebo effect, he left the industry to write books and educate people in how they can harness their mind and emotions to improve their health. He is now author of 10 books, including, ‘The Little Book of Kindness’, ‘How Your Mind Can Heal Your Body’, ‘I Heart Me’ and the Amazon bestseller, ‘The Five Side Effects of Kindness’. He writes a regular blog on his website and occasional blogs for the Huffington Post (US version). David is the ‘Kindness Tsar’ for Psychologies Magazine and writes ‘The Kindness Conversation’ and the ‘Kindness Project’. He is also the ‘Life Hacks’ monthly columnist for Soul & Spirit Magazine and in 2016, he was voted ‘Best writer’ by readers of Kindred Spirit Magazine. David is featured in the award-winning documentary, ‘HEAL’. He appears regularly in the media and was recently featured on Channel 4’s live show, ‘Sunday Brunch’, in the UK and ‘CBS Sunday Morning’ in the USA. David is an advocate for kindness and is working passionately to help inspire a kinder world.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Tom our old colleague John Hanson, our close friend has has been saying for years that this coming weekend is the biggest weekend in the history of fantasy football. And while he is saying that as kind of a joke, there's always some truth to it Tom because each and every year more and more people play Fantasy Football and Tommy wouldn't recommend anybody go into their draft season without a plan and that's what we're wrapping up today. We are wrapping up our Of our draft plan here at the fantasy free agents podcast. I am Joe Dolan. He is Tom Brawley Tom. We did running backs and wide receivers earlier this week. They are our most popular episodes ever on a daily download basis. So I think we're really getting into what people want. They want the information. They want to know what's going to make their team's better. Now, we have all kinds of things to make to make teams better. We have great Cosell coming in but this is exactly what you need. Due to draft your team and we're going to wrap it up today with our quarterback and tight and draft plan. But Tom as we always do we're going to kick off the episode with some injury news and we are going to start with the Broly brothers who each have messed up their shoulders this year. Yeah. I just want to give a quick shout out to my brother Matt who's serving in the air force over in Korea South Korea somehow he managed to To outdo me. It was like we're back and being kids again. Well, he wanted to one-up my dislocated shoulder. He had a little accident going to get lunch on his bike the other week last week here and he severely dislocated his shoulder needed to go into surgery to get ligaments reattached and everything else. So he somehow managed to outdo my dislocated shoulder. I can't believe he did it. But now he's got a suddenly has a A free time and now he's picked up listening to the podcast. So we have a couple more listeners and he's one of just a few of our mutual friends that have been asking about when that one's the quarterback and tight and plans coming out. So here you go Matt, you're probably laid up, you know on whatever drugs you're you know, they gave you to kill the the shoulder pain, but I just want to give a quick shout out to my brother there who's in a little bit of pain right now. Well, you need a little bit of a drugs to listen to our podcast consistently now, Tom It's a more embarrassing injury your brother getting hurt and getting a severe shoulder injury that requires surgery while going to get lunch or you dislocated your shoulder hitting out of a bunker. Okay, I have discussed this with a couple people I think mine is still more embarrassing playing golf, you know a gentleman's game, you know, not not I don't know too many people that have gotten hurt on the golf course, but his was you know, he was out in the rain. It was a wet train track that he went over and kind of threw him side. But he certainly got the worst end in terms of needing surgery and he's going to be lucky to be using that shoulder and four to six months. So I think I got the worst end in terms of embarrassment but he got the injury side of it now Matt Brawley. Let me just throw this suggestion out here. Hopefully Tom his bidding finger works because he better be there for our auction draft in our favorite League that we do every year that's coming up next Sunday. He better be there even though he's what 12 13 13 hours ahead of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He might be there now because he'll be on medical leave. So right well, he better be doing some mock auction drafts because he's got to prepare for this and not by three defense has this year. He's got the time so he's probably in some Yahoo and ESPN mock draft legs right now. All right, Tom, so we got rid of that injury update. Now. Let's get into a couple others before we get into our quarterback and tight end Draft plans Keenan Allen Adam schefter reports has an ankle injury. He's not considered serious, but the Chargers are going to hold him out until week one. You never want to hear anything like this. But with the Melvin Gordon situation, the last thing the Chargers need to do is push Keenan Allen who has had injury problems in his career through an injury when he doesn't really need to practice Yeah, the details are kind of thin on this but the fact that they're already saying that they're just going to basically hold them out for the next three weeks until week one. I mean that that does worry me a little bit. Bit that maybe it's of the high ankle variety which you know, those can be aggravated pretty quickly it pretty easily. So not the best information here. Maybe we will maybe a little bit more will come out in the coming days here. But the fact that they roll them out already, you know, it could be either good or bad, you know, maybe they're just being extra cautious here, but you know, not not the best news. We just actually, you know moved him up here a little bit earlier this week what you know with the whole Hilton situation with lock and now might We consider putting Hilton back ahead of Keenan Allen here. Yeah, we will talk about Andrew Luck when we get into the quarterback draft plan. But there's another update their Tom. We also need to touch on the fact that Adam schefter says Melvin Gordon is prepared to miss games, even though he doesn't want to there have been no significant progress in talks with Melvin Gordon and the Chargers at this point. I mean, we knew we knew he was willing to miss games because he's holding out but just keep that in mind if you're drafting this weekend. That there is an inherent risk to drafting Melvin Gordon. That being said there is almost no scenario Tom. I can Envision in which Melvin Gordon misses the entire season because if he does he will not accrue a year of free agency. I think I think it's eight games he needs to play. So at the very least you're probably going to get him for bare minimum half the season. Yeah, I would still bet on him, you know being being in the Chargers Camp here for Week 1, but you know, it's not something I feel totally Lakeshore about which is why I basically I really haven't been drafted him. I would start considering them early third middle of forth. But usually somebody takes them before then but they're there is definitely a little bit of risk of him missing a few games here to start the season Tom, you know coaches life from time to time. I hope I'm not breaking news to you. No, not at all. Why and remember a couple weeks ago when everybody was freaking out because Andy Reid came out and said, oh Carlos Hyde, he looks good. Good. Oh baby, he's gonna be great. Well the athletic Kansas City chief beat writer Nate Taylor predicts. The Carlos Hyde is not going to make the final roster. That's hilarious. Now. That's just a prediction. I know but I mean, he's obviously probably has a you know connections with the squad here, you know, he's been watching practices, you know, probably seeing the same thing that we've seen the last couple years that Carlos Hyde can't play anymore. Yeah. He stinks got I mean that and that's the In time now if Carlos Hyde was going to get if you were to tell me the guys going to get a hundred and seventy five carries in the Kansas City offense. Well, of course, I'm going to say he's going to have fantasy value but we've been ranking Carlos Hyde this offseason based on the fact that we know he's not any good that Damien Williams and Darwin Thompson or more versatile my opinion Carlos Hyde's been a blown pick all summer long. I haven't drafted him once I've been drafting Williams and I've been drafting Thompson, especially Thompson since he's been cheaper, but right now, Tom I actually have a pretty good feeling about Damien Williams in this backfield. I know I almost pissed at this report came out I've you know doing the best ball drafts and stuff and I've seen Damien Williams start to slip into the the beginning of the third early, you know middle third. So I've been jumping on that. So now, you know, it's probably gonna you know, he's probably going to correct here back into the late second round, but you know, I took advantage of it for a couple days here Taro Darwin Thompson's continues to be a major value latent dress. He's you know, pretty he's got some like Torico and I'm and I'm a little bit here small guy, but Elusive and you know just ridiculous yards per carry yards per reception numbers at Utah State, you know, he could be a nice little value here at the end of giraffes. Especially if Carlos Hyde can't make the roster here. Yeah, I even saw and I did a fast rap last night and Darrell Williams was drafted as well. So people are yeah. I don't think the real Williams but you know people are starting to realize that Carlos. Hide might not be long for this roster. And it looks like it's going to be a couple Dee Williams in this backfield with Darwin Thompson and Darwin Thompson's a small guy. So I don't know if he's going to be the quote-unquote lead back. But the way Kansas City spreads things out he can he can have a lot of value but his atp's going to rise the sharp guys in the industry are already all over Darwin Thompson Tom obviously in our rankings that we're going to publish here. By the way, we're going to update all of our cheat sheets here on Friday. So you have not just the pie. Gasps but you have all the cheat sheets updated in our latest rankings Darwin Thompson is going to be well above Carlos Hyde Tom. I don't think I'm going to be breaking any news to you there either. I like it. Thank thank you for I think we've you know print been pretty high on Darwin Thompson all all preseason here. So let's have been knocked down hide a couple more spots. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. I've been producing podcast and chose for my friends and colleagues Joe Dolan and Tom Bradley for years now. So when we decided to start the fantasy free agents podcast, it was imperative. We find a hosting platform an app that was easy to use Quick to record and post and track our stats and that's exactly what we found in Anchor. 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Well, we think we can group together the quarterback in the tight end draft plan because we're probably going to be covering about 60 players between the two and that might be generous given, you know, most leagues only start one at each position though. Some leaks have super flexes and we will touch on those a little bit at the end superflex for those of you. Who don't know means in addition to the traditional Flex you could play a quarterback there or many call it a to quarterback leak because most of the time you want to play a second quarterback and Tom and I will get into our strategies there. But Tom I'm looking at the ATP at the nff see over the last week at the quarterback position. And for the sake of this exercise both with the quarterback and the tight end position. We're going to assume this is a 12-team PPR League. This is for and for the draft plan that we're talking about initially. Let's presume. It's a one quarterback leak because that's what this ATP is according to latest ATP should be no surprise. Tom Patrick Mahomes is the earliest quarterback off the board Tom. He is going roughly 40 pics before the second quarterback comes off the board over the last week in the nff. See his average ATP is twenty seven point six eight with a minimum pick of 14. Look Tom Patrick Mahomes is our number one quarterback. He is going to continue to be our number one quarterback in one quarterback leagues. I will have no Patrick Mahomes this year. This is just way too high a price for me to pay for the quarterback position. And I'm I mean, I wish you would disagree so we would have some level of disagreement on this but I'm just not paying a second third round ATP for quarterback. No, no way. I'm actually surprised, you know, these are pretty sharp people that use this. You know use the nff C. So this data's, you know from the best players, you know, some of the best the sharpest players in you know that are playing fantasy football every August and I'm shocked that he has a third-round price right now. I really you know, the homes is the number one guy here. There's no denying it but I think the gap between my Holmes and Watson. I don't think it's as great as you know, even close to as great as this 35 to 40 pick range here, you know, I think maybe they're around or to remember Your round round and a half difference here, you know, I think they should be both probably going off in the fourth fifth round here around pick 50 around pick 60, but you know, you got to pay a premium price if you want Patrick my home and look there's no argument against him being the the number one quarterback in pre-draft rankings and maybe you can make the argument. Well the number the number one ATP cornerback hasn't actually finished number one at the quarterback position in I think it's been a I think it's been like close to in or eight years, but Patrick mom says the weapons. He's coming off a 50 touchdown pass season. He's young. He's athletic. I mean, he's got everything you want. But even if they added Prime Jerry Rice to this roster Tom, I'm taking the under on 50 touchdown passes. It's really freaking hard to do. Yeah, it's only happened twice. I mean, it's him and Peyton Manning with 50 touchdown passes and fight already did it to write? Oh Brady did hit OK he did it in. In 2007 with the Randy Moss undefeated. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean so it's a three band club. It's pretty Exclusive Company. I'm probably thinking Manning in my homes 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns. So I mean there's there's almost zero chance that Mahomes duplicates what he did last year. I mean, I would you know, I'd wager, you know a large sum of money that he doesn't duplicate what he did again last year. So, I mean you're paying a premium price for something that he did last year. You know, we already kind of touched on there's some little bit of uncertainty, you know with Tyree kill situation, you know, you never know what could happen there and it's just it's just bound to regress here at 40 touchdowns. Forty five touchdowns would be a nice season from homes this year and nice. Yeah, but that's where we're at right now. I'd be alright, it'll be alright. Yeah, but so let's explain to the people why we're not paying the price for Patrick Mahomes because if you're listening to this and I mean we essentially have Patrick Patrick Mahomes package in our mouths right now the way we're talking about him. But why are we not drafting Patrick Mahomes Tom? Well, somebody's going to come out and say well I want my fantasy league last year because I had Patrick Mahomes. Here's the difference. You won your fantasy league last year drafting Patrick my homes in the ninth or tenth round. You won your fantasy league because you had Patrick Mahomes and a lot of guys who you drafted in the early rounds that were able to supplement. Lament that roster that were able to complement and enhance Patrick Mahomes. I am not telling you that having Patrick Mahomes isn't a massive advantage in fantasy football. I just don't think given the depth of the quarterback position, which is something we're definitely going to be getting into because there are a lot of these guys we love I just don't think the advantage to having Patrick Mahomes is worth paying essentially a four-round difference between him and DeShaun Watson or an 8-round difference between him and Cam Newton. It's the depth of the position is at an all-time high here earlier this summer on the podcast. I think we agreed that it kind of went 22 deep. I think you could make the argument. It is 23 Deep now and potentially 24. I think Donald is now, you know in that Echelon to be considered in the top twenty three, and if you think Derek Carr, I mean he's, you know had a nice little pre season so far couple nice passes last night you so you could go 24 deep at this point. So You know what kind of go into our strategy a little bit but I don't start considering a quarterback, you know until the 9th or 10th round in most leagues and I like I like to really hold out to The Bitter End here. I'm sure you're the kind of the same way here, but I'm pretty similar but we'll get into that Tom second off. The board is to Sean Watson sixty two point six eight that puts him right on the fifth sixth round cusp. Here is where I start to consider DeShaun Watson first and foremost. It'll be in the sixth round and sometimes if I'm in a league where people are playing chicken, he'll even fall to the early seventh and when I'm drafting a quarterback and let's throw Aaron Rodgers and Baker Mayfield into this mix because both of those guys are in the sixth round ATP as well. I kind of look at the draft board. And if I see on the draft board, you know what I already have my tight end. I drafted OJ Howard or Evan engram guys. I like this year. I have two good running backs. I feel good about I have two good receivers. I feel good about and I really don't like paying the price for the number three receiver the number three running back that's there or say more likely Tom. Well, I want a number three receiver, but there's five guys here that I actually feel good about and I have him rated similarly and Be okay with any one of those five. That's what I'm going to look at the quarterbacks and say is there somebody here who I believe I can create an advantage with is there somebody here? I'm like, you know what? I'd rather take DeShaun Watson and the fifth of that tier of receivers that I was talking about then wait a little bit take whatever receiver. I am and maybe it ends up being the same guy who's available in the next round for me, but I'll take whatever receiver. I like best and then I'll wait for Jared Goff. That's kind of how I Oh, I work through the the quarterback position in these leagues. I almost never draft one early. But when I do it's when I have a bunch of guys at other positions that I have rated similarly and then there's a quarterback who really sticks out like a sore thumb on the draft board. Yeah. It just doesn't happen very often for me though. Just um looking at guys that running backs guys like miles Sanders and Rashad Penny and Robbie Anderson at receiver. Cristian Kirk is another guy really? Like it's I have a tough time prioritizing a quarterback, you know even ones as good as Watson and Mayfield in Rogers to really, you know, if I get a mile Sanders there's an outside chance that he could be a top 10 top 12 running back if everything breaks, right? So that's why I have a tough time justifying taking a quarterback at that spot. Whenever I could I could pick up a running back that could be an upper echelon type player at its position right and this Is what I'm saying, it doesn't happen often, but sometimes if I'm in a particularly sharp room and all those guys that I have targeted are are taken like a mile Sanders Tom. It's not uncommon to see Sanders in a sharp room go in the fifth round now because because people are seeing what he did especially last night in the preseason. Oh, by the way, we will recap the preseason on Mondays podcast, but when I'm talking about that in all my targets are kind of sniped from me. That's what I consider it and it's a feel thing for me and unfortunately if you're listening to this, In your head spinning. I don't know if you're going to be able to do this as a feel thing. So you might want to take our advice and draft in the range where we typically draft one of these guys, but that's just how I approach it. And that's how sometimes I will have a baker Mayfield on my team. That being said Tom. I got to be I think Aaron Rodgers getting overdraft a little bit. I do too. He's about what the fourth guy off the board here in off the third guy. Yeah. I like Mayfield her here a little bit better. Lock I'd like better until you know, everything came out about his ankle here. So yeah, I think he's slightly overdrafted here, you know hasn't been a major fantasy producer here the last couple of years, you know learning a new offense here. Maybe you know, maybe that's why people are excited about it. You know, he's finally out from underneath Mike McCarthy weighing them down here. So but yeah, I would tend to lean towards Mayfield a little bit more over Rogers in the spot now fifth guy off the board over. The last week Tom is Andrew Luck and we know what's going With Andrew luck. They thought it was a calf injury and then they thought it was the Oz mess of pecans or whatever the hell that is. I don't know look it up they flattened or I don't know the origins of that word Latin, but that apparently that's a small bone issue that's hard to diagnose and they thought it was that and now they just think that they're it's a high ankle sprain or a high ankle injury for Andrew Luck. Now Chris Mortensen says the Chris Mortensen from ESPN says there is guarded optimism and that's a quote guarded optimism that Andrew Luck will be ready to play in week one sometimes I mix that makes me feel a lot better. Guarded optimism. Yeah. Well, that means they think there's a legitimate chance. He doesn't play right now. That's what yeah, it's kind of that. That kind of statement makes me think. Oh, he's 50/50 for Week 1 well every votes. So yeah. Hope he plays V quarterback off the board Tom. I'm probably not touching them until he's like the ninth or tenth quarterback off the board at this stage. And now I don't think this is something that is going to hold him out potentially for the entire season the way his shoulder injury did I'm not trying to freak people out in that way. The shoulder injury is way worse than a high ankle sprain as a matter of fact Tom Russell Wilson played through a high ankle sprain a couple years ago. Now his Effectiveness was down. He couldn't run but he still played through it. It I don't think the Colts want to do that with Andrew luck, especially since they have a good backup in Jacoby per set. But how are you approaching Andrew Luck right. Now? I moved him down to six. I'm going to consider moving them down even a little bit more on our rankings here before we put the cheat sheets out, but the fact that there's is a chance he plays in week one. It means to me that maybe I'm being naive because of the way they talk through the shoulder injury, but I'm just not as worried about an ankle injury as I would be about a shoulder for Andrew Luck. Yeah at this point though for me personally, like there's just so much depth at the position that you know ankle interest we touched on a little bit with Alan that you know, just you know, now he has it. It could be an issue, you know, it might not necessarily get cleared up this season that you know angle ankle injuries are easy to Easily Aggravated at this point. So, you know luck is a guy. I just cannot touch and drafts right now. I guess if he fell I'm looking at you know, we Got Cam Newton, Matt. Ryan golf Wilson, Marie. I think I would you know, maybe if he slips to the 11-12 range after Marie, I would start to consider them, but I just don't if there is any possibility that he's going to miss games. I just I just don't feel like it's worth using a pick on him. But the depth of the position. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like it there's there's an argument to be made very much a strong argument to be made for stashing in AJ Green or stashing a Melvin Gordon, but stashing a Tom and that's eating up a roster spot and that's something you have to consider in your league. If you don't have deep benches, is it worth it to do that? I don't really think it is. I most of my redraft teams were talking about 15 16, you know man rosters. I typically especially early in the season. I'm only rostering one quarterback, you know, I hopefully have my go-to guy or you know, I'm kind of playing matchups and I prefer to only have one quarterback because I like to have you know, lots of running backs and lots of wide receivers early in the season to hopefully hit a lottery ticket with with one of those guys. So, you know, and if I'm draft and Andrew Luck that means maybe he's going to play early in the year. Maybe he's going to play while hurt so he's not going to be totally effective. So that's the kind of guy. I don't really want on my redraft team. Okay. So Andrew Luck is six seven three right now and ATP. However, I have to point out the people there is such a wide. Each of picks for Andrew Luck according to NFC data Tom. He's gone as late as the 11th round so that 123 overall that's that's ridiculous. So just depends on like where these guys were going and when you have a guy who has questions like luck, the range is going to be wider here. So ATP isn't always the most accurate representative even though it's kind of the best picture we have to describe where these guys are going in the seventh round Tom is the quarterback six Matt Ryan seventh eighth round cusp. Just a boring safe pick, but it's worth pointing out last year. His numbers were very similar to his MVP year in 2016. And I think it was pretty interesting last night the offensive line looked atrocious again last night. They spent the offseason trying to upgrade it, you know, if it continues to play that bad, I mean that ride might have to throw it a ton again. They had real issues running the ball last year and the offensive line has not looked improved through the pre first two preseason games. Yeah that and wide Did they leave him in there to get killed by the way? I have no idea that you know, took three sacks, you know was skittish all night because he had pressure, you know, right up the middle. So it was kind of bizarre. I'm with their I'm with you on that one that that one bothered me Tom, but Matt Ryan's just the boring old pick. Nobody is going to look at your roster and say wow, you have Matt Ryan, but we're sure as hell not going to look at your roster and say you have a weakness at quarterback. If you have Matt Ryan either know I might Ryan wasn't the guy was Pretty excited to take last year. He was going pretty late. But I'm now at this price. He he's priced right? I'm up looking a little farther down the list here to find some help at the position. You everybody knows who my most draft a quarterback this year is and that now the eighth the industry is catching up the sharps are catching up maybe the sharps have always been on it. But the quarterback 7 Tom in the eighth round and ATP is Carson Wentz. I think he's got an MVP caliber season on deck for us. I think he's got a chip on his shoulder. And his team is loaded with weapons and a great offensive line. I'm right there with you. He's been near the top of my most drafted list and I just love the combination of you know, I'll usually start looking for Carson Wentz in the eighth ninth round. I love being able to do the a little you know, DeSean Jackson Carson Wentz action, you know, a little double rainbow the stack action. So that's been one of my favorite draft combinations this year. This is now really the range time where I'm starting to look at my quarterback eighth round when the boring running backs like a Jordan Howard or coming off the board when people are are are cast Ronald Jones exactly at work, but people are casting their hopes that Ronald Jones isn't a complete piece of garbage this year. This is when I'm really starting to look at the position and now we have an interesting mix of quarterbacks here as well because there is a 10 pick gap between Carson Wentz and quarterback 8, but the quarterback 8 We're talking ninth round. Now. This is where most of the quarterbacks are starting to come off the board and the quarterback 8 is an interesting one. It's Kyler Murray and Tom. I gotta be honest. I'm not I never am I going to change my opinion based on a preseason game, but holy crap did the Arizona Cardinals look like hot garbage in Thursday's preseason game against the Oakland Raiders. They couldn't block anybody. They couldn't get a snap off without a without a penalty both start. Yeah. Tyler Murray got called for two. All starts himself for his sake of safety at first clap. He took a safety. They're calling balks on him. Even though he quit baseball. I mean Tom does this scare you a little bit now keep in mind. I thought they had the worst coaching staff. Maybe I've seen well since Jeff Fisher, but they had the worst coaching staff in the NFL last year, but let's not forget Kliff Kingsbury got fired at his alma mater that's really hard to do. So you got fired. From his alma mater and he failed upwards. I think they're going to be exciting offensively and I think they're going to have to run a ton of plays because their defense was even worse than the offense. But Kyler Murray at quarterback eight people have been ranking him aggressively all offseason. We at the fantasy free agents have not been this aggressive. We have them I think 11 or 12 right now. Does this give you the Willies and he's going off the board before Jared Goff and Cam Newton. Yeah. I haven't dabbled in Kyler's Murray at this year. I'm Mean I get it. I get here running upside. He has the huge passing upside if they're going to you know attempts over 600 passes. The defense could be atrocious. It looks like you know Cliff brought over the Texas Tech defense with them as well. He's got Robert Earl offered just you know, suggest suffered a significant leg injury so they could be in quite a few shootouts early in the season here. But you know, I know the offensive line still has some major issues. I'm just I just don't Of the price. I would like a lot of guys beneath them here that as you said the gulf. I've been a huge Cam Newton believer here. His price is ridiculously low. I see he's going 12 off the board and FFC it. I just there's a lot of good options around here and Kyler is usually going a little too high for me. Yeah, Kyler Murray's quarterback 8 once again we get it, but there is risk Jared Goff just consider him another version of Matt Ryan boring but probably is going to be just fine for you. He's quarterback nine. Also going in the ninth round. Basically going the pick after Jared Goff is Drew Brees. I'm a little concerned about that. Although the price isn't too high only because I don't think they have a ton of weapons. They have Michael Thomas Alvin Kamara and Jared Cook. I mean those are great weapons, but there's not a lot of depth there and I think they want to run the football more. Here's one that I want to talk about Tom first and foremost going ahead of Cam Newton in the nff. See over. The last week is Jameis Winston that I don't get I Get Jamis going ahead of Cam. But let's talk about Jane this because I know a lot of people are on him. I really haven't been because I've seen guys in this range that I like more and we'll get into that one of them being Cam Newton, but I get it with Winston. Everybody loves OJ Howard and Evans this year. Everybody loves God win this year. So Ergo if those three guys break out and do what they're supposed to do. Jamis is going to have a big year. I just I'm having a tough time reconciling the fact that Jameis Winston's going ahead of Cam Newton in a teepee. Yeah. I just I just don't trust him enough. I mean the turnovers have been there at his entire career. I mean, I think people are expecting Bruce Arians to work a little miracle here with them. And you know, I believe that he's going to be improved from last year. But you know, I I don't think what they were doing last year, you know throwing it so much as sustainable. I think you know Bruce Arians is going on when a lot little bit of a mix of running a little bit better mix of running past. Here. I just I don't like the price either, you know, if he was my second quarterback, I'd feel a little bit better go for the the huge upside. But you know, it's just that's not an option right now. He's being drafted, you know, people are being aggressive with them because of the potential for huge passing numbers if I am drafting my quarterback and as we mentioned Tom, this is typically the range that I'm looking 8th 9th 10th round to draft. My quarterback Cam Newton is the guy. I am circling I am highlighting. Lighting I'm putting a star next to his name. Not only does Cam Newton have the two breakout receivers. Everybody loves DJ more in Curtis Samuel Curtis. Annuals ATP is through the roof right now. He has those two guys. They love he has a great pass catching back in in Christian McCaffrey, but Cam Newton also has the pedigree Tom. He has the quarterback one overall season here. So we're not Wishing on a Star we know cam can do that. The question is Kenny's body hold up, but we know what kind of upside Newton has and at this price, I think it's a no-brainer pick. Yeah, I think people are forgetting that he was like a top three or top five fantasy guy until he screwed up his shoulder, you know, when he play in the Steelers and on that Thursday night game and then his numbers kind of started to dip from there. But he was a top Elite option. He has been pretty much a five out of seven years or six out of eight years at must be I think he broke in 2012. So I mean he is he's all lead option. I'm All the reports to I some Camp reports are saying that you know, his deep ball looks the best it's looked and and you know, since you know before the to shoulder injuries here the last three years so I had loved the the DJ more Curtis Samuel if you listen to the wide receiver podcast, you know that we love those guys and if he's got the Deep ball going it could be big things coming for the Panthers passing game. Now, if you're in the eighth ninth round and you're listening to this podcast and you're like, you know what I agree. Joe and Tom, I really want to wait for Cam Newton and Cam Newton get snapped up because somebody else agreed with us and he got snapped up just a little bit before you do not fret because top there are a lot of great options available in the double-digit rounds Quarterback 13 Russell Wilson, fine fine. They don't have a ton of weapons. They're going to run the football. Apparently, they want to throw their backs more which will help Russell Wilson's numbers out a little bit, but I'm not terribly enthused by Russell. Listen, just because of the low volume and we anybody who's had Russell Wilson for Fantasy knows that every year. He has those eleven 424 a hundred and seven yards and two interception games that just utterly kill you. Yeah there. Yeah, there's just a cut there's a couple warning signs with well, so I'm right there with you and the running has started to go down here a little bit, you know up up over 8% touchdown rate, you know only him and Patrick my homes last year. He's bound to regress. There you hope for more passing volume. It doesn't look like they want to but they're scheduled might force them into it. They have one of the toughest schedules going in to the season the load plain ol against a lot of tough cubies that which might help him out. But if there's just a lot of negative signs for Wilson here, so I haven't draft them too much. I don't think Ben Roethlisberger QB 14 is going to throw 700 times again, Tom, but no, I actually like him better than Wilson. Yeah, I tend to lean more towards Big been here, but you know, obviously he has a little bit of a red flag. Without brown here as well. So I think Juju will be making plays for him. But he's got to have one of the two guys behind them, you know, James Washington or Donte Moncrief really step up here and provide a another deep option. Here's somebody who's getting overdrafted in my opinion Philip Rivers quarterback 15. I mean just take a shot on somebody else at this point. He didn't throw a whole lot of passes last year now. He did have multiple touchdown passes in each of like the first 12 games last season, but He doesn't run they ran I think fewer plays than anybody in the NFL last year. So if they're not going to have the volume by the way, Keenan Allen is banged up right now. There's guys going after Philip Rivers. I like a lot more than Philip Rivers now, he's been he's been mr. Consistent. Basically the last eight to ten years. He's a, you know High floor type guy but no ceiling at all. He's gonna be probably in the QB 10 to QB 15 range, but you know, you're at least I take your the Same way we're both looking for upside when we're drafting down here. There's a lot more options here that you know, that could get into that QB 1 through 5, and I don't think Philip Rivers has that potential. I think I like Kirk Cousins better than Philip Rivers and Kirk Cousins is QB 16. Now, he's one of those guys on whom there's a perception discount Tom. Everybody thinks he stinks but look last year. We threw 30 touchdowns and had a 70 percent completion rate. He's got Stefon Diggs and Adam feeling Dalvin cook coming out of the backfield to if he stays healthy can catch the ball. So Kirk Cousins, A guy in this 11th 12th round range. I like better than Philip Rivers. I if I if my team around him was good. I would be totally fine with Kirk Cousins being my starting quarterback in a 12-team league. Yeah, and there's some good signs here. Kubiak is coming in. They're going to run little bit more play action offensive line should be a little bit improved. So I'm right there with you cousins. I think has a little bit more upside and you know, he showed it back in Washington last year. I mean if you consider last year at down year I Just the the scoring at the position was just so far up. I mean that's what you know knocked him down. You know, he was around the QB 20 or QB 18 last year, but his numbers were pretty similar to what he did in Washington in the four years previous. Let's talk Lamar Jackson QB 17, and I'm drafting right now in a high-stakes league with my cousin and we had Drew Brees Russell Wilson Roethlisberger on the board, but it's a high-stakes League. FPC and the first 12 weeks Tom our our our total points and then there's a seated playoffs and I said to my cousin, you know, what no risk get no biscuit take Lamar. We're going to take Lamar in the 10th round as our starting quarterback because there is there's palpable upside here that a guy like rivers and cousins don't have now those guys are way better thrower than Lamar Jackson now, I'm not saying Lamar won't improve as a thrower this year, but the guy Tom average like 18 carries. A game last year, he can lose half of his carries and still produce an outsize number at the while running the football at the quarterback position that is going to help you for Fantasy. This is one where you might have to separate fantasy from reality because there are going to be games where he just looks like he's incompetent as a pastor. I think he's got a lot of talent. I think he can improve but there are going to be games where he just does not look good as a passer. But in those games he could run for a hundred yards. In the touchdown and be just fine for Fantasy Lamar Jackson at quarterback 17. That's a value to me. I love it and and his price is probably going to go up here people saw that touchdown run that he had last night that was called back. I'm actually shocked that his prices this low on draft.com the best balls his he's been steadily Rising throughout the last month, you know, we're talking about our plans here that there's basically like for guys I am just locked in on once the ninth round starts to roll around and I'm you know, picking 9th 10th 11th 12 rounds here. I'm locked in on Carson Wentz a blocked in on Cam Newton a blocked on a Lamar Jackson and I'm locked on you know, Dak Prescott brisk that Dak Prescott. I didn't want it breast brisket. No biscuit. No basket hers, whatever that is, but I am locked on all four of those guys. I'm getting one of those four guys whenever I'm draft and I'd love Jackson's potential here and his you know, if his dust is a His accuracy just gets a little bit better if he gets one of these rookie receivers to step up and be a vertical threat there could be big things and I like what I've seen so far from him as a pastor so far in the preseason has been a little bit inaccurate at times but you know, they're being a little bit more aggressive. He's taking some shots downfield. So I'm liking what I'm seeing on the Jackson so far. His price is about to rise though. I think a lot of a lot of people in the community are going to start pushing them here and here's another one where I don't necessarily We'll look I think Tyler Marie is twice the prospect Lamar Jackson is but Tom there is a 40 pick difference between the to attend quarterback difference between the two and ATP. They should be a lot closer together. And as you said, I think they're going to be but I am totally cool with Lamar Jackson as my starter now maybe because you're worried about his frame getting injured what not you get enough a no nice number to to have on your bench or you're always proactive and searching the waiver wire. But the point of this quarterback draft plan is those guys are available and they're available very easily. Look at the next two guys in a teepee Mitchell Trio Biscay quarterback 18 Dak Prescott quarterback 19. I talked about the perception discount that we're getting on Kurt Cousins because people think he stinks. Well, it's the same thing with Mitchell true Biscay and Dak Prescott people think they stink or people think they're overrated and the fantasy numbers Tom. Just don't match up with these atp's Mitchell true. Biscay was a top-15 quarterback. Back in total scoring last year and he missed two games and Allen Robinson missed. A lot of time trade Burton wasn't a hundred percent last year. They get a better run game with David Montgomery. So that doesn't match up for me and Dak Prescott in my opinion is the best Zone read quarterback in the NFL. They're probably going to run him more in the Red Zone. I know Amari Cooper is banged up that might have something to do with it. But after they got Cooper last year Prescott was like a top seven quarterback and he's all the way down at quarterback 19. This is why we Vacate waiting in your one quarterback leaks because that Prescott has shown Tom that he'll top 10 quarterback and he's quarterback 19 and maybe pee I don't get Prescott being this low. He's been a top 12 quarterback in each of his first three seasons. He's you know, one of the you know, the most effective Red Zone Runner now at the quarterback position, you know, Cam Newton was that guy for a while but it's become Dak Prescott. He's has six rushing touchdowns in each of his first three seasons now, he's got Cooper, you know, as you said that the passing game started to open up a little bit in the second half of the year. They're running more plays. They freakin fired Scott Linehan. They brought in Kellen Moore. You know, Kellen Moore is a you know, younger than half the story in quarter three quarterbacks in the league. You think he's gonna run like the wing tea? No, he's going to be spreading the ball out. He's gonna be throwing it. I just don't get Prescott's price. He's been one of my favorite guys to draft in the 11th 12th round. Huge. Not Hugh I shouldn't say huge upside because Never going to be a team that's going to throw it 600 times. But you know, he's been a top 12 guy in his first three seasons and now they might open it up a little bit more. He's got a ceiling of being a top five fantasy quarterback QB 20 is Jimmy Garoppolo. And by the way, we're getting into like the 12th 13th rounds here. And as I've said on the previous podcast, this is where the rounds Tom really muddy together like somebody somebody's going to tell me at one point. Oh, I took Jimmy Garoppolo in the 10th round. Somebody else might tell you I took him in the fifth. 18th it just it just depends on how the draft board Falls at this point. I'm not thrilled that Jimmy garoppolo's price to be completely honest with you. Not the quarterback 20 is is is that something you're paying up for but there's guys going after my actually think I like better than them. Now. This is when we talk about the death of the quarterback position. Just listen to how ridiculous this phrase I'm about to say is and you'll understand why we talked about that ridiculous depth quarterback 21 off the board Tom Brady. I understand why he's not mobile. He doesn't have a lot of weapons right now. But he's Tom effing Brady and he's the 21st quarterback off the board Tom. Yeah, I mean the guys throughout his career. He's been one of the elite options. I did the post type article looking back an old ATP from last year. He was like the queue before I mean all of a sudden the guy wins a Super Bowl and you know now he's going 21st off the Border, you know, you know pretty deep into dress so, you know, That I love Brady here. But you know, he's been my QB to and a lot of a lot of best balls because you know, you need to get two or three quarterbacks in those. I mean, he'll be probably he'll probably go undrafted in a lot of legs and Andre drafts. It's kind of remarkable. But you know, he's a dance a decent little price. I think Josh Gordon will probably get reinstated at some point. Who knows about Gronk, you know, the whispers are, you know, maybe he'll show up in the second half of the year. You know, I think the kill Harry will be, you know a solid option. And by the time the second half of the rule the season rolls around so, you know, I'm not quite as down on the receiving Corps that Tom Brady has around them that as some are here entering the season Lamar Jackson after taxes Josh Allen and Tom you can argue. He's Lamar Jackson before taxes. He won me a championship last year and he want a lot of people championships last year. This guy was the number one fantasy quarterback over the last six weeks of the Season quarterback 22 now. Yeah again, I understand it. But he was the quarterback one for a six-week stretch and he's the 22nd quarterback off the board. Yeah. I'm I have a I've had a hard time knowing what to do with Alan. I just don't feel like his rushing will be as sustainable as Lamar Jackson's a lot of his rushing production came on broken plays last year a lot of scrambles. Where's Lamar Jacksons were mostly, you know, a lot of design plays so I have I thought I was gonna like Alan a lot more heading into the season but you know, he's been a guy that I really haven't touched just I don't have as much optimism for him. But I do like what they've done putting John Brown round them getting them a a slot receiver like Cole Beasley who can cook and move the chains, but there's just, you know, a guy down here a little little bit. You know lower here is Sam. Darn old. I think people have been kind of sleeping on him. He's he's a guy that's moving up my list here quickly in the preseason and I think Derek Carr might move up to because I actually think that Offense could be pretty decent if car is just solid and I think he can be he's quarterback 23 Donald's quarterback 24 Matthew Stafford's quarterback 25 Tom, even if you are in a to quarterback 12-team League, according to ATP Matthew Stafford who has a five thousand yard season to his name is not starting quarterback. There is the death of that the position that's pretty ridiculous, but I understand it. I mean if you look at You know what happened last year in Detroit started to really focus on the running Gabe Patricia's, you know wants to be a ground and pound and suffocate you with the their defense here. So the the pass attempts were I think he was down around 555 last year which you know, the is ridiculous. If you followed Stafford earlier in his career where he was leading the league in pass attempts some season, so it's a transitioning offense. No no more. The Tate here, so I kind of get it. I mean, I don't have any I don't have any Stafford this year. I probably won't because I just don't like where this offense is going right now. Okay presume. You're in a to quarterback League time. Now, let's get into those two quarterback leaks presume. You're in a to quarterback League even with 12 teams, according to ADP if everybody drafts two quarterbacks, these quarterbacks are going to go undrafted Matthew Stafford Nick Foles Andy Dalton Marcus Mariota. We know what my problems with Mario and are But just just for sake of argument Joe Flacco Eli Manning Dwayne Haskins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh Rosen. These guys are going undrafted. So this is I mean, it just shows you the depth at the position and now I just want to talk about those two quarterback in superflex leaks the problem with with it is Tom. It's hard to do a catch-all draft plan in a concise time because League size is so important an 18-2 quarterback League. I'm going to approach the dip the the And way differently than I would in a 14 team to quarterback leaked the I'm gonna approach it way differently than I wouldn't have 12-team court to quarterback leak. But because the position is so deep. I'm more than likely going to wait for my first quarterback until the 6th to 10th guy are coming off the board and then I'm totally fine drafting a Dak Prescott or a Tom Brady or a Josh Allen as my number two guy. Now the one thing I would say if you are on one of the terms at me. Meaning you're picking at the beginning or the end of a round and you have the quick back-to-back picks. You want to be a little proactive because the last thing you want to do is get caught at the end of a quarterback run and then you're forced to take a guy that you don't want to take at a spot. You don't want to take in. So you want up you want to try to anticipate being ahead of those runs, but Tom, I don't think I'm going to approach the position differently the what I think it's a mistake this year given the depth to draft say two of the top five quarterbacks and into quarterback League. I just I think that's that's a it's a viable strategy but I don't think it's a smart one this season. Yeah, our good friend map around that was on the podcast two weeks ago. He's in a super Flex leg and you know, he was curious. What should he do? Should he go quarterback first? And you know, we kind of told him to wait probably until the third round her. So that's that's probably a good sweet spot. You obviously have to judge your leg, you know, if you're picking at the end of the first round and your leg comes out and you know, yeah Patrick my home's the song what know that everybody's going off the board. Maybe you need to get a quarterback in the second round there. But I think you know, you know just looking at a generally I think third or fourth round is probably where you can dive in at quarterback and your 2qb legs and still get a guy that's you know, probably in the eight to twelve eight to fourteen range at the position and then you can probably wait another couple rounds maybe to the to the sixth or seventh round and you know, pick up your second quarterback on your we touched on some of these guys that guy like Sam Donald I'm starting to feel a little bit better about You know and he's going off the board QB 24. So there's plenty of good options late. So I don't think you need to be too overly aggressive at the position and to QB legs. But you also don't want to wait around and you know, all of a sudden you got Jimmy Garoppolo and Tom Brady has your two quarterbacks either. Yeah. And by the way, Tom, so I actually did a two quarterback League we both did the Scott Fishbowl earlier this offseason. I took Carson Wentz in the fourth round and Cam Newton in the sixth round. Those are my two quarterbacks and then I Up stacking later because you want I mean ideally in the two quarterback lead you do want to have three starters so you can you know, mix and match by weeks or mix-and-match matchups. I then stacked Eli Manning and Daniel Jones. I mean, it's not I'm not way so no that leg has some really deep benches as well though. It's not might not be an option for some people if you're playing with a 16 to 18 bench, right but like it but here's the point where it's hard to do a super Flex draft plan because there's Sleek settings or so important and also, So your league is important we'll get Tom will get people saying to us. Well, I'm in a super Flex League where quarterbacks fly off the board for gone by the end of the first round and we'll get others who have a league who have the same exact settings and Mahomes doesn't go to the second round and then people are playing chicken before disarm Watson comes off the board. So it just all depends on your league the key here in a superflex league to me Tom is anticipate the runs and try to be ahead of them. Yeah that Exactly. If you're kind of at the end, you know, if you're picking maybe first overall and you have this second and third pick, you know back to back there. You probably aren't going to want to wait, you know, even if there hasn't been a QB run up until that point. You're not going to want to wait you maybe you're the guy that has to pull the trigger or guy. Matt Brown actually did that. You know, he picked did he pick Watson? I think he was one of the first guys to really start the quarterback Trend so you can't sometimes if your you got huge gaps in between Or picks, sometimes you have to be proactive because there could be a huge queue be run by the time you get a your next pick and you know say 1820 picks. So Tom, there's a full breakdown of the quarterback position. I'm gonna actually went longer than I thought we were going to yeah, we might have to kick the tight ends till Monday. What do you what do you what do you say here Joe? Absolutely not when we were Cloud ahead when we come back right after this little message from Ben kookiness by the way been cocaine is by the way, it doesn't kick ass. 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Um, because we actually went a little bit longer on quarterbacks and I thought we were going to let's start at the tight end position now it is thin I think Tom they're great guys. I actually feel good about as a starter this year. I'm with her. I'm with the other with Act opposite of the quarterback where I was like, you know, what if it's some idiot is going to draft both Carson Wentz and and Cam Newton in my league and say we're going to trade one. I am okay going into the season with Kirk Cousins as my starter because I'm not going to fall for that bait the tight end position though Tom is totally different and I like to be proactive on drafting one you however like to be a little bit more proactive than even I do because I do not like drafting Travis Kelce in the first round or on the first second round cusp. He's a teepee. For the last week in the NFC 14 .81. He was taking his highest seventh as low as twenty first. That's where I would consider taking him when the running backs in the wide receivers start to thin out. But most of the time more often than not you're going to see him take in mid-to-late first early second round you have like doing that. I have not. I just don't like the way my team's look I feel like I'm drafting from behind when I do it, but why do you like doing that? I just and we kind of touched on wide receivers there a little bit. Bit at the end of the first round going wide receiver wide receiver. I don't mind going Kelsey and get a guy like Mike Thomas or Juju or you know, whoever it is and it does because I really like the depth at running back and the third and early fourth round. So I don't have a problem going with Kelsey. Let's say Mike Thomas and then getting Leonard fournette towards the end of the third round and a Josh Jacobs at the start of the fourth. I don't mind that start at all. Oh by the way, Josh Jacobs look pretty good last night. Yes, he did. He's he could be moving up here. Soon. Yeah, and what we'll get into that on Monday when we recap all the preseason action from this weekend, but Tom I am much more likely to draft say a running back in a receiver. Say I draft say I draft Le'Veon Bell and JuJu Smith Schuster or I have I'm picking at the top of the first round and I draft Alvin Kamara and I get Mike Evans in the second round. I'm much more likely to dive into George kid'll and Zach ertz in the third round although Zach ertz is getting knocked here recently because people like I just don't know where the targets are coming from and we went to do with Patrick Mahomes. Zach ertz is coming off of a record-setting season. Tommy called I think a hundred and twelve passes last year an all-time record for tight ends. You have to take the under on it. You have to there's just no logic and saying, oh he's going to do that again, but he can still catch 7580 passes and easily be a top three tight end. Yeah. See this is where we diverge a little bit because I just I feel like Kelsey's has a better much better chance of sustaining his high level of play and I have concerns about kid'll inner thigh. I generally haven't liked their price. I was dabble a little bit in kidal earlier their summer when he was like mid third late third, but I've kind of backed off both of those guys. So I just you know, Earth's is targets could go, you know, if this offense is significantly better at least the receivers are so I'm a little concerned there and It'll there's you know, there's Jimmy G concerns, you know, will they really haven't you know, they haven't really had a chance to play together a lot. But you know, it's been a with Nick Mullens in the back up. So I just have a little bit more concerned with Kittle and Earth sustaining their high level which is why I kind of backed off those guys in the third fourth round. I like drafting those guys in the third round, but it's not my favorite spot to pick a tight end my favorite spot to pick a tight end is these next three guys and Tom they've actually We've been kind of grouped together in a teepee in a tear recently, even though there was kind of a clear difference earlier on OJ Howard whose tight end for he used to be the no doubt. He was almost in a tier by himself. As a matter of fact when we went through our tight end two years earlier on the podcast. I think we put them in its here by himself, but by ATP he at tight end for Evan engram at tight end 5 and Hunter Henry at tight end six are all within 4 pics of each other all going at the beginning of the fifth round which makes a three-round difference between kid'll and hurts Howard and this tier of Howard and Graham and Henry. I like Howard's upside. I think Ingram has super high PPR upside because I think there's a legitimate shot. He leads the Giants and catches Howard's averaged over 16 yards a catch in each of his first two NFL seasons though. He's had injury problems and Hunter Henry here. I mean, he's almost in my opinion flying a little bit under the radar because of the ACL last Your but remember he recovered in time to play in the playoffs. So there's not the same kind of bounce back from the ACL that we would see from somebody typical. This Tom is my sweet spot for the tight end position. Yeah. I'm right there with you. I've been dabbling in all three of these guys. I kind of I kind of tear them this way. Like if I'm looking strictly seal ceiling, I'm going Howard Henry Ingram if I'm going to strictly I want the guy with the highest floor. I'm going Evan engram Henry Howard. I mean, that's that's generally how I look at this. This overall I go Howard Ingram Henry, but you know, all three guys are going relatively around the same place here. I'm actually kind of surprised that this ATP date on it. I haven't really seen Howard and Ingram really last of the sixth round much in my best balls and on draft.com, but you know Henry has been kind of in that early six round middle six rounds. So, you know, I'm fine with getting any of those three guys though about 50 to 60 picks in. Yeah, I would say Eight for the people even though the ATP were saying right now is 61 through 65, which is a sixth-round pick plan on drafting one of these guys in the fifth round if you want. Yeah, that's weird. It's Henry's the one guy that might slip into the sixth round typically in your draft. But yeah, if you want Howard, he's a he's an early 5th to Middle fifth round pick for me. Now. There's two more guys time that I actually feel comfortable with as my starting tight end heading into the season they are and the industry agrees the the drafters of Agree, because they're tight end 7 and tight N8 and these guys are 7th 8th round picks Jared Cook from New Orleans Vance McDonald from Pittsburgh. Those are the two that I feel good about as a true tight end one and then we get into the guys who I think we're we're really going to split hairs. The people are going to have disagreements about them. And that's fine. I do want to talk about those guys but cooking McDonald, I typically Tom I do not feel comfortable coming out of a draft. If I don't have one of these topic guys. Yeah. Don't get you know, it really falls off for me after Vance McDonald, you know, Jared Cook and Jared cooking McDonald or a little bit below, you know, that that nice group of three there with Howard Ingram and Henry, but after that, I'll really hold off on tight end. If I don't get one of those eight guys, you know, I just I don't really like the group after this it's made up of a Ebron and Joe Cooper and Hooper. I really don't like that group. They're really their eighth ninth round or so, so I typically bypassed that group and wait till the 10th 11th round to consider like Mark Andrews trade Burton Delaney Walker those guys. So Ingram and Joe Cooper and Hooper now, excuse me, Braun and joke Hooper Eric Ebron. Thanks for your service, man. You want me a ton of money? I love you too 14. He was my most drafted tight end last year. He's got 14 touchdowns. But once again regression, you're going to regress from 14 touchdowns. He didn't play a ton of snaps at the tight end position. Tom not all snap. Created equal. I understand that when Iran was out there. He was out there in the Red Zone. He was out there running routes because the Colts put them in a position to succeed. Well if Eric Ebron can't block. Okay, we're not gonna have them block. We're gonna put him in there to catch passes. That's what they did. But with the Andrew Luck situation the fact that his touchdowns are almost certainly going to regress. I'm weary of him at tight end 9 with David and Joko not only am I worried about the fact that he hasn't taken that next step developmentally not to say he's a bad player because he's not but but he's he hasn't taken that next step developmentally and there's a lot of mouths to feed in Cleveland. So I'm a little concerned about that Austin Hooper. He's kind of the tight end version of his quarterback. I want a floor guy if I want he caught 71 passes last year. You want to talk about the quietest Stephanie one passes. I know ever caught but he averaged nine yards a catch. He's to me, he's PPR only I'm Austin Hooper to me is nearly worthless and not PPR. Yeah. I just I can't get by him the hoop or pick. I mean a lot of his production came in three or four games as well. He had a couple like nine nine catch games. I just have not bought in at all. I just don't want a guy that's he can't even average 10 yards a catch, you know, it's not not a lot of calories there. So and yeah, I'm with you on on Joe coup and and Andy Brown they both have a lot more miles to feet here as well. You know eproms got you know, Devin funchess is a big body. He's going to be, you know, probably featured in the red zone now. They got Mo Ali Cox who's you know? No, a third tight end that they've been talking off avoid saying it. No, I can't the porn star film star Ali cocks. I shouldn't say the porn star is that is that I don't know that might give us an explicit rating on this podcast. You know, I can actually control that manually. Okay anybody? Yeah, I can talk. I can put the parental advisory warning up on our RSS. Oh, so if I get constant like Jon Gruden on Hard Knocks, if I you know, if I need to stop cussin, just let me know. I will I will I don't want to put the Parental Advisory sticker on. You know, so people can't listen to this any way that that range of three tight ends Tom Ebron and Joe Cooper and Hooper. I mean there's there's value in some of them and I'm not saying you can't win if you draft these guys, but I think for the sake of this podcast, I would tell people to ignore those three guys. That's that's generally what I've done. I've liked some of the receivers around in that group and that's and then they'd also coincides with our QB plan. I mean, that's the about the range where I start considering quarterback. So, you know, those three tight ends. I have not taken, you know, even once this year and I probably won't be as the summer goes along you and I have both already stated. We like to be aggressive on the tight end position. We like one of the top eight and if you and if you don't remember Kelsey kittel hurts Howard Ingram Henry cook and McDonald. Those are our top e you and I agree with all of that. We're in lock step on those top 8, but if you miss out on those guys, just the Run didn't The way you expected it to somebody took in McDonald in the sixth round. You were hoping to get him in the seventh there. Are you can still succeed don't worry because they're down here in like the 11th 12th round Mark Andrews. Tray Burton Delaney Walker Jordan Reed and Dallas Goddard come off the board now, that's a smorgasbord of names and I'm not I don't love them. All Mark Andrews is my favorite. He had a connection with Lamar Jackson last year and I think much like What the Colts do with Eric Ebron the Ravens put him in a position to succeed because they have so many tight ends. They don't necessarily play him a hundred percent of the snaps. But when he's out there they like to have him running routes Nick Boyle is they're blocking tight end and they're going to play boil a ton because they're going to run the ball a lot. But Mark Andrews is going to run a lot of routes Burton. I think could be due for a bounce back here presuming he gets on the field. He had sports hernia surgery anybody else you like in this range Tom because I'll tell you somebody I don't I've got I've like Delanie Walker quite a bit here too. I mean the QB concerns are definitely there but we've seen Mario to lean on him. I am a little concerned at his you know, he's getting up there isn't getting into his mid-30s here coming off a major ankle injury, but you know, at least it happened Week 1, you know, he's been practicing all training camp. So he's been another guy, you know, he was a top eight top 10 option here the last four years, you know up over 800 yards and up over 60 catches and all four seasons before last. You're so on he's another guy like in this room Mark Andrews is probably the best breakout candidate of this group. I'll tell you who I can't get behind Tom. I cannot get behind Jordan Reed. I just can't do it. I know some sharp people in the industry disagree with me, but I know he's not recovering from an injury. This this all season Tom those injuries have taken their toll. He couldn't move last year now. He didn't look good at all last year and the quarterback situation. I mean between Case Keenum Dwayne Haskins, there's plenty of reason to be a little it concerned that you know, the Redskins aren't exactly going to be a juggernaut offense as well. So I'm right there with you. I don't have much Jordan Reed, you know in the past. He was a ceiling type guy and it feels like all we've gotten from him the last two years or just floor. So not not feeling it. I'm right there with you Joe and I'm talking low floor from him Dallas Goddard. The talent is evident. He's got a calf injury, so he's not going to play the rest of the preseason. The question for Goddard is just how many balls is he? Catch and and you know, we've seen teams due to tight ends. Successfully. It's just rare. We think back to the Patriots with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez before things went awry there Tom to so to speak. Yes. We saw today that I think I think that your hope here, but the Eagles have thousand other weapons to Al Sean Jeffrey DeSean Jackson Nelson Aguilar, so it's hard for me to really view Goddard as a True fantasy of stud here. If hurts goes down got it's a top-five tight end but it's hasn't gone down. Yeah, and he's being drafted in the top 16. So I have a feeling like in the right match ups and I feel like he's gonna blow up a couple times this year. I feel like he might be a good DFS guy if he's in the right matchups and he's priced at you know, you know on DraftKings like 3,000 to 3,500. I feel like I might be using him in a little bit and DFS, but I'm not really feeling it for season-long right now. 10:17, Kyle Rudolph. No, thank you. Titan 18 is Chris Herndon now in redraft this is tricky because Herndon suspended the first four games of the season and the Jets have a week for by so Chris Herndon's not going to play until week 6, but he has shown up in the preseason. I think he's a very important player. I talked to a great Cosell about this on yesterday's podcast. There is a guy where if you miss out on one of those top eight or say you get one of those top eight and maybe Jericho hooks under performing a It keep an eye on your waiver wire because Chris Herndon people are going to be sick of stashing this guy. You don't want to stash a second tight end in a shallow bench League who you know isn't going to play until week 6, but I have a feeling that come week 4 5 he is going to be a popular waiver wire add because of the thinness of the tight end position and the upside Chris Herndon has yeah. I haven't I haven't touched them really invest Ball, but I could see in a redraft format if you go. Go with a Kelsey or you know, one of these Elite tight ends, you know kind of parent him up with her and then you know, you're going to start Kelsey every week. But you shoot for the moon. I think Herndon once he comes back I would think week 6 through week 16. I he's probably going to be a good bet to be a top 12 tight end. So if you have the if you invest, you know at the position early feel really good about your tight end. Maybe you take a shot on him sit it out, you know, you know having you know wasting a bench spot on you, but You're gonna put me playing Travis Kelce every week. So and then you go for the home run and hope that he is a top 12 option. Then it becomes trade bait or maybe a use them in a flex spot. If I'm taking one of these boring veterans in this range Tom tight end 19, Jimmy Graham stands out to me only for Touchdown upside. He can't move either but I think he could score touchdowns. Yeah. He had really bad luck in the the touchdown department. So I would think that he's a candidate to bounce back there and second season here with Aaron Rodgers Jack Doyle tight end 20 not very exciting. TJ Hawkinson at tight end 21 not somebody who's going to get drafted in most leagues. But certainly you want to keep an eye on how they're using them early in the season because this guy's got big-time ability. Yeah, it's just we kind of touched on Stafford earlier in the podcast, you know, there's suddenly, you know, I have Amendola here that got Jones they got called a there's a lot of mouths here. I'm just concerned about how many targets there was going to be a rep, you know to go around here if if they're going to keep Stafford that you know, 550 passes again any First thing Greg Olson at tight end 2200. I've drafted him a bit best ball kind of Paradigm with the and Thomas. There's a little bit farther down this list down at 29. I don't know if I'll be doing too much redraft though with him because you know, I don't want to hand it handcuffed a tight end on my redraft roster. So I probably won't be touching on much in redirect. So by the way, I want to point out that in terms of roster construction. We are getting into guys who in a lot of leagues are not going to be drafted Tom because See ya guys players in fantasy often will only draft one tight end and a redraft league and teams that draft to have probably already taken them their number two by the time we're getting to this range, but I do want to point out some guys for those of you in deeper leagues. Maybe you're in a tight end Premium League where you get a point and a half per hour per PPR for the tight ends two of the guys who I have drafted a bunch of Darren Waller of the Raiders at 23. He's been blowing up in Camp had a minor injury thing, but he played last night. He's a former wide receiver with the Ravens. They have converted to tight end and he is having success. Remember, they lost Jared Cook. So there are a lot of tight end targets available there and I've also drafted TJ Hawkins college teammate another rookie. No a Fanta lat simply because he's in Denver and Joe Flacco is proven to filter his targets to the tight end position. We're unified on that one. Those are my two guys that I've been taking shots on especially in best ball and I might Um, you know take a shot on Waller and Fant in some of my reader apps as well, you know another case where if I you know go tight end early and I'm looking for the high upside Guys. These are two guys that are as athletic as you're going to get at the position. It's just a wohlers, you know God that's been around for four or five years already with former receiver just huge and can run and jump Fant is you know, basically receiver playing tight end. So these guys have huge upsides, you know, probably a good chance that Not going to come through this year. But if they do they could be top 12 options. Anybody else Beyond this top 20 for Tom that you are drafting at. All. Mike is sticky at tight end 27 stands out to me Matt Le costs from the pager it because people figure the Patriots are going to get somebody out of here. He's tight end 30 anybody else that stands out to you. Not at all. I mean, I was on a sickie a little bit earlier in the summer, but I mean just bad report after bad report coming out at Dolphins Camp, so So I've completely backed off of that. Yeah, nobody else really, you know, I'm looking for upside if I'm dressing too tight on this late and I just don't see any guys that really have any maybe you know, I touched on Ian Thomas a little bit. But if you're kind of thinking that Greg Olson, you know good chance that you know, that foot isn't going to hold up here two straight Seasons with major foot injury, so he's a guy a little bit deeper. But I mean that would have to be a 1416 Team league that I would be in to consider drafting. In Thomas what Ian Thomas is interesting to me and I just want to bring this up before we wrap up the podcast because we have I mean we have really dealt on this Tom. This is been we've been going for over an hour here say Greg Olson were to go down. Say let's just say right now today Greg Olson retires to go be a broadcaster. Where are we moving in Thomas in our rankings? I would venture to guess we put them in our tops off. It would be close. I would probably put yeah, I'm looking up at the list here. I would put them probably in that and joke. Ooh Andrews range here, and he would be appealing to me because he showed some things last year. I know Greco cells pointed out that he's an interesting player for them. So yeah, I mean if Greg Olsen has problems with the feet Ian. Miss for those of you struggling a tight end. He is somebody to watch I'm not saying if you have a six-man bench and a 12 team League you need to drafty and Thomas, but if Greg Olson were to go down Tom this is going to be a very interesting player that I'd probably Vault into our top 12 at the yeah super talented. He got thrust into the position to early last year after Olson initially got her really struggled at the beginning of the season, but when Olsen got hurt again at the end of last year, he was a guy that you know, great for DFS great for just Plugging in off the waiver wire for people that were hurting and the fantasy Championship, you know fantasy playoffs. So he's a guy that has a lot of upside and you know, if you're in a dynasty leg or you know looking for guys that have a lot of Peel, you know, 2020 and Beyond Ian Thomas will be a gonna be looking at Tom that will wrap up our draft plan podcasts here at the fantasy free agents. I do want to throw one thing out there. Eliminate kickers from your league, but if you do have them last pick or two, that's it. Tom for defense has let's talk about how we draft them really quickly. We have two ranked defense has it's part of the job. However, Look at the early season schedule because you're not in this day and age. There's almost never a dominant defense that you start each and every week look at the early season schedule. I don't want to draft a really good defense that has a garbage matchup in week one. I want to draft. I'd rather have a mediocre defense that has a slammin matchup in week one. Mom. I'm zeroing in on to defense has both in the NFC East the Philadelphia Eagles play the Redskins in week one Redskins. Probably aren't going to have Trent. Hello, you can drop the Eagles before Atlanta and week two, but you can also Drive Dallas who opens with the Giants the Redskins and the Dolphins that yeah, that's how I draft. My defense has a couple more we kind of went over this on a podcast in the first two weeks. But here's I have the note still from that podcast that we got Buffalo. They played the at the Jets at the Giants Cincinnati in the first three weeks and I think the Buffalo is going to have a pretty good defense here Baltimore gets my am at my Yummy and versus Arizona that Arizona one, you know, they might turn into a sneaky team that you do want to play because you know, maybe you could get some sacks and some turnovers and and the Patriots have a really juicy opening first month of the first two months of the season after Pittsburgh. They get Pittsburgh then at Miami Jets Buffalo Washington Giants Jets. So I'll also in Cleveland as well. They they play Tennessee the Jets and then they get a couple tough matchups. So there are another interesting team. That's are looking a less appealing matchup of yeah, baby. Yeah, I did do this list back in early July. Maybe I shouldn't I did mention the Jets quite a bit on that list. Maybe I need to take them off the list of teams that you want to play. Yeah, so but I mean, that's just how we draft our defenses. There's no need to reach for one ask anybody who drafted the Jaguars in the 10th round last year how that worked out for him. So if you want to draft a defense in the 10th round don't and if you want to try to justify it to me, I'm I reserve the right to call you an idiot because it's stupid. Don't do it play your matchups. That's how you do it with the defense has Tom. This has been our draft plan. We have wrapped it up quarterbacks tight ends today. We went through running backs on Tuesday. We went through wide receivers on Wednesday. If you that is three hours of podcasts to get you prepared for your draft who we like who we don't like all the players where we draft them how we construct our rosters. We broke it all down for you. 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Well, you'll see you'll see those links a telepath fantasy free agents.com, but we're not you're not you're not required to just we've been enjoying the response we've gotten so far. Okay Thomas we always do let's wrap up our our podcast. Our team two days. All right Tampa Bay Bucs there. They went five and eleven last year under their six-and-a-half win total finished third in total offense. 416 yards per game 24.8 points per game, which was 12 and sixty five point nine plays per game, which was sixth lost Adam Humphreys lost DeSean Jackson and lost Ryan Fitzpatrick key additions prashad prepared perriman on account of targets. Nine, which is fourth and the wind total for 2019 is set at six and a half with a little bit of money going towards the under it - 125 over at - 105 interesting team. I think Bruce Arians is the right coach for them. I think he's the right coach for Jameis Winston if Jameis Winston doesn't get it with Bruce Arians Tom. He's never going to get it. Yeah, they're they're you know low wind total here, but they're going to be a fun team for Fantasy, you know, Jameis Winston getting a Hype as we said, he's inside the top 12 picks at the position. But if there is some reason, you know to maybe be aggressive with them Joe. Oh Jay Howard Mike Evans Chris God when all guys going inside the top 60 picks at their position. So, you know just got to figure out that running pack running back position here. No clear-cut winner here so, you know so far through camp, but it could be one of the more fantasy friendly offenses and defenses here Tom. What? What the heck do we do with the Pittsburgh Steelers? I've seen projections that there could go to the Super Bowl others that they could miss the playoffs. The question is did the Antonio Brown distraction outweigh the talent interesting team to profile for this year. Yeah, they're coming off at nine six and one season disappointing missing the Playoffs under 10 and 1/2 winds 403 403 yards per game, which was 4th scoring offense 27 points per game sixth overall plays per game 66 One which was fourth key players lost em Tonio Brown Le'Veon Bell Jesse James Marcus Gilbert key additions Donte Moncrief deante Johnson and Benny Snell unaccounted targets 226, which was Fifth and their 2019 season win total is nine and it's getting split right down the middle. So that tells you right there, Joe people don't know what to do with the Steelers. I think it's a lot what you know that hold the vision is pretty wide open right now. I feel like I haven't seen Seen the division the division or money so far, but I think the browser now the clear favorites in the division ahead of the Steelers. The Ravens are kind of being undersold a little bit. They're going to be hanging around here and the Bengals had a rough season last year, but they still have you know, a lot of offensive talent and they have some guys on their defense as well. So it's a wide open and if AFC North this year, you're a user. You're a Pittsburgh. I well. Yeah, what are The Vibes coming out of Steelers Camp because they actually seem like they're pretty good right now. Yeah, it's been Pretty quiet Camp. I think that's exactly what the Steelers were wanting. You know, they've had the levy on bail mess the last two you off Seasons here, you know him wanting a contract. So that situation is out of the way and Antonio Brown, you know, we obviously have followed the helmet gate and the the foot foot issues in the the cryogenic tube there. So it's it's been a very quiet camp in Pittsburgh and I think everybody loves it around there, you know, it's quietly other than you know, they I had an unfortunate situation with the receivers coach passing away this past weekend, but you know, that's that's seems to have brought the team together even more here in the last couple days. So it's an interesting group. I wouldn't bet against them at this point right now. Yeah, best wishes going out to the family of Steelers wide receivers coach what derelict Darryl Drake? Yes, obviously an awful situation very much respected coach. Yeah, there were some moving pictures and Coming out of the can't you know, Juju was crying on the field and you know, Ben Roethlisberger consoling them and they you know, I've had some moments of Silence before practice and stuff like that. So, you know tough situation to go through but you know, this year's group is handling it probably better than last year's group and best wishes to his family best wishes to Matt Brawley as he recovers from shoulder surgery special. Thanks to Greg Louganis for his wonderful advertisement reads special things. What are we paying that Louganis guy? I hope nothing. Okay good. The exposure is good enough for him. So a special thanks to Tom Bradley for sitting with me for about an hour and a half today as we wrapped up our draft plan podcast, but most of all thank you to you for listening and thank you to you for donating supporting the podcast your ears are enough for us and your eyeballs at Fantasy free agents.com for Tom Rowley follow him on Twitter at Tom Bradley. I am Joe Dolan follow me on Twitter @ FG underscore Dolan. This has been the wrap-up edition of our fantasy free agents draft plan. Podcasts will be back with you on Monday to recap all the preseason action from week 2. 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Joe Dolan (FG_Dolan) and Tom Brolley (@TomBrolley) wrap up their Draft Plan series with their strategies for selecting quarterbacks (9:45) and tight ends (52:32). The guys start the podcast by discussing Keenan Allen's ankle injury (4:22) and the Chiefs backfield (6:43) before ending the podcast with another Team Two-A-Days segment on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1:18:00) and the Pittsburgh Steelers (1:19:30). A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php. To draft against Joe, join the Rotowire Online Championship and select the online draft time of 8/20 at 9:30 PM Eastern. To draft against Tom, do the same on 8/27 at 9:30 PM Eastern. Play for the $200,000 grand prize!

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. I'm here today with Ben Shapiro Ben and I met about eight months ago a man came up to Toronto and gave a rousing talk. And talk about political correctness at that point quite a politically appointed political talk and I got a couple of questions for you one is what what what are you planning to do in 2018? What do you want to see happen in 2018 personally and what like so what are you aiming at? Why so I mean obviously I'm aiming it at broadening the reach of the the political messages that I espouse and the messages of I think personal responsibility and virtue that I tried to espouse. I'm also working on a book that I'm really interested in right now about the roots of Western Civilization. What is that makes for a happier and more fulfilled Western Civilization what generates purpose for civilization and for individuals and why it is that we seem to have lost purpose because my general theory is that the reason that we're trying to murder each other politically and the reason that we hate each other so much is that there is a purpose shaped hole in our heart that we are now filling with anger or tribal angered each other and I'm trying to trace back kind of backtrack and say okay. Where did where did we go wrong? Where? Where was purpose it sort of its high water mark and why are we now at low ebb? Okay, one of the things that I found in the discussions that I've had over the last year, especially the public discussions public lectures, let's say is that it seems perfectly possible to make a room go silent by speaking to especially if it's a room full of young men by speaking to them about responsibility and truth and this is really staggered me because those are not obviously saleable messages. No, especially for someone who's rather cynical about the fundamental nature of human beings. I'm not saying that I am but if you if you launched a business plan to the typical observers and said, well I'm going to Bass up public movement on the adoption of accessory sponsibility and the requirement to speak the truth and that's going to become hyper popular the probability that people would agree that that's a possibility is pretty much zero and so I've been thinking that we've spoken about rights for so long and spoken about freedoms for so long. Let's say since the early 60s just essentially speaking that we've actually left a conceptual hole in her culture. And that seems to be a kid into to the point that you're making with regards to this book. And now you you you mentioned responsibility and why that specifically well, I think that what you're talking about is exactly right people in the west have seem to pose rights in in direct opposition to duties. So the American founding particularly was obsessed with this idea of Rights and individual rights, but there was also this corresponding idea of Duties that's very clear in founding thinking George Washington talks about Duty Benjamin Franklin talks about Duty the eye. Was that Duty was to be socially generated not by government, but by Society Itself by small communities by Churches by her family and that that would fill the Gap that allowed you to actually have a functioning Society of Rights, but we seem to have left Duty completely behind now. It's just all about the rights and not about the duty and what's happened is that that's collapsed in on itself because the Society of only rights and no duties ends up generating generating duties masquerading as right positive rights that are actually not rights at all that Army imposing a duty on you. In order to further my own perception of my rights and that's I think where we've been going and it's in it's a dark place and it creates enormous amount of opposition. When you say Jordan when you when you talk about the fact that people would not have thought of building a movement on Notions of Truth and responsibility. That's because I think for a long time people just took it for granted. We all agreed on these things but there's been an actual forcible counter-movement for Generations now against both truth and responsibilities the idea that is there's no objective truth. It's socially defined Make it up as we go along. There's no Telos, right? I talk a lot in the new book about about the teleological way of thinking this idea that you actually have a purpose for which you were created and that it's your job to fulfill that purpose and that's completely been left by the wayside. So there's no truth. There's no capacity even write the scientific materialists worldview actually robs you of the capacity to even change yourself the studies that I have seen suggests that if you believe in a certain form of determinism, if you believe in hard determinism, you're less likely to go out and actually change your life and make it better because you buy into your your own philosophy and I think that a society with sort of bought into that that we're all victims of our own biology victims were on raised victims were on ethnicity or our situation and there's no way for us to get out of that. So we may as well throw up our hands or at least give the power to the only thing that can change things is this which is this massive Collective that comes in and is the boot stomping on the human face forever. Well, there's also that the strange misapprehension I think with regards to the nature of Rights because as far as I can tell I mean rights have rights are a multi-faceted. But I think the least metaphysical claim that you can make about rights is that if I have a right then that brings with it a parallel responsibility not only to myself to act in a manner that is in accordance with that. Right whatever that happens to be but I also have a responsibility if the right is universal to act in a certain manner towards you and so because what there is no difference between rights and responsibilities fundamentally there just the mirror image of one. Now that that's to say nothing about their potential metaphysical origin that I don't want to talk about that but it doesn't seem to me to be logically tenable to have an infinite conversation about rights without having a parallel conversation about responsibility. So there's a logical flaw in it that leaves that Gap that needs to be filled and then the other thing that's occurred to me is that that the genuine meaning in life and I do believe that life has a genuine meaning I think I could make that claim without even making it. Physical although I don't mind the metaphysical addition to it. It seems to me that almost all the things that people find meaningful in life that aren't merely impulsive Pleasures, which of course create their own entanglements have to do with the voluntary adoption of responsibility. So I families like that. Okay, so alright so then okay. So here's here's the next question. What do you think it is that's driven our loss of that half of the conversation what's happened? So I think that this has been basically a 200-year movement that first manifested itself in Europe and is finally reaching American Shores about a hundred years later, which seems to be the pattern all the bad stuff from Europe hits Europe about fifty to a hundred years before it hits here. And now comes here. I think that what happened here is that the enlightenment mentality was built on certain fundamental premises including the use of human reason the capacity for free will and all of that. Arrested on assumptions about the universe including the idea that the Universe has a discoverable design that we can actually find and pursue and that in doing so we will find happiness. The Aristotelian idea of happiness is very much bound up with the idea of you fulfilling your Telos the judeo Christian idea of happiness. Is you fulfilling God's purpose for you. There's always this idea of a higher purpose that you were seeking and I think what happened is that the the enlightenment project which started off in an attempt really in the 13th century by people like Aquinas maimonides to unite. Religion and science fell apart when they started to divide the two instead of its we're seeking the same thing religion and science are both seeking a universal truths that can be applicable to our own lives and make us more fulfilled the project of science became to destroy one pole to destroy religion and then by doing that science almost turned in on itself reason almost ate itself. So I think reason basically turned into okay, we're going to follow to the logical endpoint all of the all of the non-religious basis of human thought and once you do that, it's very Called not to fall into a set of sort of self refuting trap about human thought you're just a set of neurons that are firing neurons don't have responsibilities. Your dog doesn't have responsibilities. Do you have responsibilities? You are a product of your environment your biology. Does that carry with it? Any sort of moral responsibility don't have the capacity to choose if you don't have the capacity to choose. How do you have moral responsibility? I debated Sam Harris on particularly this issue and I thought that actually the most telling point of the the debate and discussion was not anything the two of us said it was a woman who got up at the very and instead of Sam. I totally agree with you. There's no free will in the hard sense. You can't make any see you. There's no choice other than to write you you will have to do this just driven by your biology and environment but have a five-year-old son. What do you want? What what should I say to him? And Sam basically said lie exam is really said well tell her that he's capable of making a choice and that that's the truth about civilization either you believe that's a lie and you're actively engaging in Plato's good lie, basically or your or you have to believe in Free Will and I don't think it Don't think the capacity to choose in the capacity to self better is is a lie. I think that people do have the capacity to do that. I think even Sam believes that but he refuses to acknowledge it because otherwise I don't think he would be in the educational position that he is right. He spends his life trying to educate people so that it's all weird. I mean I actually said in the discussion. Why are we all in this Auditorium? We were just sort of predestined by the universe to be in this auditorium at a certain time. Like do you do feel fulfilled by that? If so, you really have no choice in the matter? Well, one of the things that's always bothered me about the new atheist types and the hyper rationalist. Is that there as far as I can tell their conduct is full of performative contradictions. They say they believe certain things but they don't act that way and and my sense because I'm an existentialist at heart. Is that what you believe is what you act out what you say might be in accordance with that and it might not but but and there's no reason to assume that your beliefs are transparent to yourself regardless of your claim. And so I also don't see any evidence whatsoever that a society can exist that functions over any reasonable period of time in any reasonable manner without predicating itself on the belief that people are both capable of Free Will and that they're responsible. And so the fact that it seems to be impossible to build a functioning Society or even functioning dyadic relationships for that matter in the absence of the presupposition of Free Will and the capacity for voluntary. Change indicates to me some evidence for the existence of those capacities and you have to be a staggeringly cynical person to think that no, we just have to believe that that's true. Even though it's a lie and predicate or cultures on that and that's first of all, I don't I think it's a weak claim. I don't think that it's it's also not the rock upon which you want to find your culture. So one of the things that struck me about the mythological stories that I've immersed myself in and is that there's always three there's always three prime characters in a mythological story. There's culture right? So that's the great father. Let's say in this many mythological guises and there's nature. That's the great mother and so you could say that that's the biology and Society of the I'm scientist, but then there's the independent individual as a causal Force who has a nature that enables enables choice and Free Will and all of those things and that that independent third factor is something like the logos that gives rise to being at the beginning of time like the cast that calls order forth out of chaos, and the fact that we can't account for that scientifically, although I don't think we can deny it either doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And of course I enjoy maps of meaning so I'm pretty familiar with the terminology that you use because I've read a book but I think that you know, there's this idea that you can find meaning in a meaningless universe that we're just meatballs wandering through space with a little bit of sentience understanding that we are meatballs wandering through space. I have a hard time building any sort of system on that and the refusal of the new atheists to even recognize that the morality that they promulgate right the rip that they have on religion typically is that religion is barbaric and backwards and promulgates all sorts of Arbol moral values that with which they disagree and what they refused to acknowledge that their moral values are predicated within that system for the vast majority of human time the values that they are espousing are not not only not Universal. They're not even minority values. They didn't exist for the vast majority. Yeah, I'm feelin time. They are absolute creations of the judeo Christian system that is combined with a Greek reason to come up with what we have today. And this is essentially the theory that I have come up with is that and this is the thesis of the book that I'm writing right now, which is that In order for an in our society or an individual to feel fulfilled you basically have to have four things. You have to have an individual purpose. You have to feel like you have a purpose in the world. You personally have a purpose in the world. You have to feel like you have an individual capacity. You have to feel like you are capable of pursuing that with alacrity. You have to have a communal purpose. You have to feel like you owe on with others. We are pursuing a higher goal. That means something and you have to have communal capacity to A system that has been built that allows that Community to activate when it needs to activate and back off so that the individual can exist in that vacuum and and We have torn away at all the roots of those things because all of those things that I think the apotheosis of the I think the Apex of modern thought was basically the unfulfilled but Universal theories of the American founding fathers. I think it's about as good as it got in terms of governmental Theory. I don't think it's gotten better since then. I think that it's been extended more broadly. I think the universalism that they were implying has now been applied in many ways. And that's a great thing. Right the founders obviously still held slaves many of them, but their principles were not in favor of slavery. And so the principles that they espoused were based on again these two competing poles that are constantly in tension with one another in this sort of Leo Strauss intention with one another between reason Revelation the judeo Christian tradition and the Greek tradition of reason and the tug and back and forth is what allows you to have one foot in rights and one foot in duties. so it'd be really good to have a lengthy conversation about this at some point because there's some things in here that really have to be dealt and deeply like the the you have to find your own purpose argument was one that was put forth very strong and by Nietzsche when after he announced the death of God, he said that people would have to revalue Good and Evil and to come up with their own definitions of what constituted morality and like the nietzschean criticism of Christianity is about as deep as it got with the possible exception of Dostoyevsky, but There's one of the things I really liked about Carl you and that it's really struck me as as is irrefutable is used fundamental response to Nietzsche was that well, let's take the argument of the death of God to its logical conclusion. And then let's investigate the idea that human beings have to be the creator of the creators of their own systems of meaning Humes idea. And this was also the case for the other psychoanalysts was that's just Paul probably false because it turns out that You're not the sort of creature that can create your own meaning you're the sort of creature that has to discover the meaning that already exists in coded within you and part of that is that you're not your own slave. And so so it's a critique not only of the idea that you can will your own destiny in its entirety while completely ignoring the fact that you have a nature but it's also a profound critique of the Socialist utopian ideas that human beings can be molded in any way that they see fit and so Young's objection was something like well, Try to generate a meeting on your own out of nothing and then try to force yourself to follow it and see how far you get what you'll find is that you Rebel your own nature rebels in every possible way against the arbitrary imposition of a certain kind of just any old moral framework on the matter, which you're going to conduct yourself. And so yeah, I think this is it's such a it's such a deep critique and I think that it's so telling because what we've come up with is the substitute for what you're talking about, which is this meant that there is a universal purpose that we ought to be aspiring to discover that it's actually out there. There's a purpose out there and it's our job to uncover it as opposed to self-creating it then that is a really deep divide in America. I think in the west generally because what people have said is okay. We finally realized that we do need this thing called purpose right weekend should be hedonists all the time drugs and sex aren't going to cut it. We're actually going to need to come up with some purposes hydrous, right? But we're not going to be able to but but at the same time we don't want a government or a society or a church or a community. Reinforcing down its Universal perception of values on us. And so therefore our happy medium is going to be you define your own your own Freedom. You define your own your own rights and you define your own view of the universe. Well, that is always going to just evolved into this pathetic sort of solid system that can never be escaped from and doesn't provide happiness. Anyway, I mean the people who quote unquote Define their own meaning are some of the least happy people that you will ever made because they don't believe that their in consonance with anything larger if you're looking Into yourself yourself is not that big. There's not that much there right there has to be something Beyond you whether you find it in God or whether you find it in a community or in nature. There has to be something that speaks to you beyond the guts that exists inside you or you're just examining your own intestines. I think too that you can make a strong scientific case. This is something I never got to in my discussions with Sam Harris has you can make a strong scientific case for the reality of meaning as an as an for the let's just call it for the reality of meaning. Think about it as a psychological reality, but you can think about it as a metaphysical or a biological reality to because as far as I can tell and and there's good neurological evidence for this your brain is adapted to two modes of being and one mode of being is that mode that obtains when you're where you know what you're doing and you know what's going on. So you can call that explored territory. Let's say and there's another mode of being that is that which obtains in when you don't know what's going on when you're an unexplored territory. You can say well Anna Well, since the beginning of time have adapted to some combination of explored and unexplored territory and that's roughly akin to known and unknown which I think is what symbolized in the yin-yang symbol and as far as I can tell the sense of meaning that people experience that spontaneous and deep is an indication that they're functioning well and explored territory, but simultaneously increasing their capacity to deal with unexplored territory. So it's like the zone of proximal development or even the flow states that chick. Harley is talked about but see the best thing to be is where things are going well for you, but also where you're expanding the capacity of things to go well for you simple taneous Lee and then you can add to that the fact that that's not going to be solved cystic because we live in a social world if I'm pursuing something that's deeply meaningful than what if things are constructed fortunately. Then I'm going to be pursuing something. That's very good for me now and me later and me. Me deep into the future at the same time. I'm pursuing something that's good for you now and you later you deep into the future. Now, I believe that that sense of of deep engagement that envelops people in fortunate periods of their lives is actually a neurological signal that that they layers of being are stacked on top of one another properly and that your oriented properly within them and that it's the it's see to me I've often thought that the most real thing is pain and then I'd say well if there's an antidote to pay that would be something that would be even more real than pain and it seems to me that the sense of meaning that I'm talking about here that's associated with this with this sense of ultimate responsibility is an antidote to pain and therefore is something that's most real. I'll see anything you can make a metaphysical Claim about that and that's perfectly reasonable. But I know you don't have to you can make a bloody hardcore scientific claim for that and I think it's extremely difficult to refute. Why aren't you have I tend to agree with that and I think that you know, you you referencing the Flow State. That's something that where we are happiest right from scientific research is in that flow State and that flow state is exactly what we're talking about. Now this this feeling that you have Mastery over your capacity to explore the unexplored and that the unexplored is worth is worth exploring right? I mean, that's the other thing is that what drives you to explore the unexplored? It's not just that you got up in the morning and you feel like wandering outside into the forest. There's some of that but I think some of it is that you feel like there's Natural necessity for you, as a human being to do that. There's a moral duty for you to try and Conquer New worlds and adding the moral layer more at the moral impetus on top of I just have a decision to to go out and explore unexplored territory is what I think allows civilization to create rather than destroy and I've talked a lot on my show about a male-male toxicity, you know what people to the toxic masculinity and all this new idea and what and what and the binary nature I think of human beings particularly men. Is that men have a little boy who's a year and a half old and he's either he's either building a stack of blocks of he's destroying the stack of blocks. There is no in-between. And so if you are honest if you're exploring unexplored territory there only two ways to deal with that one is to actually take a fire and set it in the unexplored territory or the other is to cultivate that unexplored territory and adding that moral layer of it's your job to forge out into the universe and make that cultivated territory to bring that into the known that adding that moral Dimension is I think what both the Greeks and And tradition are about and I think it's more of a group. That's what video question but the idea that there is a God worth exploring and that God has reached down to man and uplifted him is I think relevant to jail Christian religion and is really the essence of judeo-christian religion. If you'll get polytheism that notion that you're out there to try and understand God. It doesn't it doesn't exist in polytheistic religion the notion that you're supposed to look Beyond you're supposed to look Beyond yourself to a broader understanding of the universe. No, you're subject to forces in the universe. Right? And those were represented by the different gods not this idea that there's Is a universal system that's at least partially knowable that if you spend your life trying to investigate and live in consonance with you will be happier. That's a lot closer to the Greek system, which is why you end up with this common idea of the logos that you talked about being in the Book of John but also really springing from from Greek thought I mean, that's that's that's the idea there. Right? Right, right. Yes. It's an unbelievably brilliant synthesis. Now you you you touched on the idea of cultivation. So I wanted to ask you about that. I'm going to Amsterdam to talk to this event at this event sponsored by a group called The Dutch lion and that's going to happen to so January 19th and got about 2,000 people attending this event and it's going to be a national discussion about Dutch in European identity and immigration and so in principle, it could be a big deal and one of the things I've been meditating on is what it is that Western Civilization got right. And so the first thing I think is that we got the idea of the logos, right? That's a big deal the sovereignty of the individual and the sovereignty and then Necessity for respect of the capacity of the exploring individual to conquer new territory and make it habitable. We got that. Right and so and I mean fundamentally right but then that seems also to be to tie interesting Lee into the idea of property rights because the fundamental marks is claim. There's a number of them but one of the most fundamental claims is that property is in some sense theft and so that might even mean the property that you accrued as a consequence of being successful and I think it might be worth giving The devil is dude say well are there conditions under which my occupation of a space to the exclusion of you isn't merely theft and the idea of cultivation I think is exactly the right answer to that is that the point is for each of us to allow the other to occupy a particular place and time in the hopes that we'll each take care of it for our own benefit and for the benefit of others and then what happens is that everyone wins? Yeah, and this is a very obviously lock-in idea, right? This is this is Locke's idea of what makes property worth while I'm property rights worthwhile as you mix your labor with the land and you cultivated it which is why lock specifically talks about the notion of adverse possession, right if I own a piece of property and I just decide to leave it trashed somewhere and then someone comes in and cultivates the property even though I own the property. I should have a good legal case to actually make against a toner because I'm not cultivating the property the idea being that cultivation and uses of the land is actually your individual Duty. It's your individual duties. Also York Little Duty. So I think that the moral legitimacy of property rights is in Locke's thought particularly is very much tied to cultivation and your personal stake in what you've done with with the property that you own again. It's exactly your point that there's a mix of Rights and duties property rights are linked to duties. It's not just property own. Okay, so maybe we can close with this, you know, the the idea of a garden is very interesting to me. And of course the natural environment of the human being is the garden according to Genesis. Right. It's the Garden of Eden and I thought for a long time. Well, why is it garden? And the answer to that is that a garden is the optimal juxtaposition of Nature and culture, right? So a garden is nature blooming of its own accord but tended very carefully. And so then the rule would be something like you're allowed to you're allowed to own something. You have the right to own something. You have the privilege to own something if what you're doing is transforming into a bountiful Garden. That's exactly right. I think that's true. And I think that's true in every area of a successful life. It's true with how you raise your children. Yeah, they lose the right to raise your children properly. If you're raising your children improperly. I think it's true of marriage marriage is break down when you don't cultivate cultivation is the the ultimate human need is called salvation and when we cultivate whether it's in the realm of knowledge or science or whether it's in the realm of religion and relationships, then we are happier and when we don't cultivate and we and when we deprive ourselves of the capacity and both the capacity and the purpose of cultivation Then everything falls into Anarchy then just through entropy. Everything will fall apart. I think okay. So the right objection to privilege is cultivation. It's like I'm not privileged. I'm cultivating. I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, what's necessary to get to grip these things by the neck, you know, and so okay. That's good. Well look, thanks very much for talking to me. I hope we get a chance to talk again in the relatively near future because there's some things we could really sort out. I think that'd be great. 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I got this whole big desk all to myself and I just can't wait to lay it out all out there on the line for you guys Real Housewives of New York Uptown Girls. We have some things to talk about things to dig into we want to wish a happy belated birthday to Liam though. That's why he's not here. He's out celebrating his birthday. We'll see him next week. Love you. I love you lien. Yeah. Yeah, this episode was actually pretty pretty good. I was actually really thrilled restarting to weed into a little bit of the dirt. It's no longer surface-level really getting into the weeds with these ladies. So so here to talk about it. Can't wait to get into it. Love you guys in the chat. Please. Give me all your comments. Let me know what you're thinking. I already see Troy vo out there in the chat saying I totally get Tinsley now tell me why tell me why. Um, yeah guys, so let's just go ahead and start Luann's new home is gorgeous. It's on the water and that's kind of where the episode is taking us. It starts out there. I think it's a gorgeous little Bungalow looking space a cute little like we can get away type of a home. It's out there in Kingston Kingston, New York, which is Upstate New York. So yeah, and then to rent is also feeling her new digs and is acquainting herself with her neighborhood set in place. She says it feels like she's in London. She lived in London for some time. So she was really, you know feeling it everything is in walking distance and she just finds that it's a central area to everyone and everything. She loves Hannah John Bergdorf. She loves it so I could really relate with that because where I live in Los Angeles is a pretty Central Area. It's so close to everything. I feel like I'm 20 minutes away from everything so I get that and you also have the luxury of like stepping out and walking to a coffee shop. Social you know your grocery stores right there. So I totally Vibe with the rinda on this one. I loved the cute little flower shot that she went into and the flower arrangements that she did The Cheese Store. It was super cute. I really loved it. And then we get Sonya who's on her way to see Luanne and this mobile office all to herself. It was such a Sony I mean everything Sony does is Estonia thing, but I loved it. I thought it was really cute her dog. She could go to the bathroom. She could watch TV. She could get work done. She could do anything that she wanted to in there. And and I mean more power to her if she's going to travel to Upstate New York. How long is that drive? It must only be a couple of hours and she's in that big big van while the other three women tens leader Enda and and Bethany drive up and in a SUV like scrunched in the backseat Sonia sprawled out with her dog and a In a van that probably fits 15 people but it's a very Sonia thing to do. So Sonia Sonia gets a it's any kind of set a nice little bit of information that lends itself to stuff that happened with Lou during the offseason our offseason like this is sports, but when things weren't filming Sonia says, you know loose nearly sacrificed everything for this house, which if you guys don't remember is very true. This is what kind of drove her to the brink of her. Second trip to rehab was when she tried to sell her house in the Hamptons and her children sued her for it. And she she claimed that she was selling the house so that she could buy this house and her children were like no no, no the house in the Hamptons is ours and it's our inheritance from you know, your divorce with Dad and you haven't even paid us stuff within our They're they're not well but like things that their trust that there is supposed to get and whatnot. So this house really is cause Lu to get back in rehab for the second time. So this house is a big deal. It's a really big deal for Luann and and you know, she still kept the Hamptons house. So the kids in her fine, but this house was something she nearly lost it all for this house. Um, Sarah and the chair You know, I'm really happy for the Renda. She deserves it after living in that awful apartment. I agree Carl. I agree. She definitely does deserve to live in some nicer threads and to be like a cute little area. I think it's always moving is just like a nice fresh start, especially when it's something that you want to do, I guess so, yeah definitely happy for to render. But before I move on I just want to make sure you guys know to make sure you subscribe to our Channel on YouTube and follow us and subscribe. Scribe on Apple podcast. We love your support and we appreciate your support. I love interacting with you guys and everything that you guys do in the chat. Give us a thumbs-up. And yeah AfterBuzz TV has is really an outlet for me to kind of just like release and talk about shows that I love. So I'm so grateful for this platform and I'm so grateful to be able to share it with you guys. So subscribe, like keep the conversation that keep the conversation going in the chat. And yeah, I appreciate You guys but moving on Tinsley and Bethenny and Ramona meet for lunch and Tinsley starts to share that her dog has cancer. So it's actually kind of sad her dog Bambi the little Chihuahua that we see often on the show and she starts to tell us a little bit about this girls night out that she had with Ramona and Sonja and it just wasn't a good girls that out. It seemed like and also really seemed like everyone was you know buzzed. With that said Sony was saying some things that weren't very kind Tinsley was sharing how she wants to have a kid. The kid thing was coming up. The husband thing was coming up and Sonia's just like why can't you just get the kid? Why do you need the man? And why do you even want a kid? Like why do you even want to get married? It's coming from a total perspective of a drunk divorced woman in my opinion. I'm saying how women you know, they get married they have the kids and they really aren't that happy. You can't as that's what tensley wants then that's what tensley wants and for you to like rain on her parade and try to take something away from her that she feels might make her happy. It was just selfish and nasty. I did not like we're we're Sonia was coming from I did not like her shoes going with it. She started to bring up Dale Tinsley's mother and say that this is what your you sound like Dale and she's messed you up and Bob. Blonde and Tinsley gets even more defensive because that's her mother and her best friend. So, you know Sonia I just felt like was really out of place. But Sonja is at loose and she starts to tell her side of the story and she does emit that she feels bad for how she treated her but that she was being such a downer and I'm sorry, but if Luann kind of disagrees with you then I think you have to take a look in the mirror and realize you Kind of a bitch Lou is just like well, she's going through The Break-Up her dog has cancer like she is going through a lot like you should listen to her vent a little bit. At least I think so. Yeah. Nothing Sonia does is normal OMG. I love Sonja so much she is so fun. She is fun, but she isn't really there for tensley at all. I agree with you Allison. I do think that her mom has messed her up in a bit. I Agree with her self-esteem, but also with the fact and I mean, I think just as women in general like growing up. We think that our lives are supposed to be, you know, grow up go to college get married have a family and that's and that's what the you know equation is and the formula is to being happy. But the truth is that's just not how life works out. I remember when I was younger I was like, you know, I'll be yeah advice with Chelsea guy. You know, I thought like life. I'd be married by 25. No, no married might we two kids by 25 done by 30 and that's just not how things are. There's so much in life that that happens and that we need to experience and to like have that thing formulated and like pushed in your head so much as a child and as an adult that it will really kind of mess with how you see yourself and how you see life and I think it's very intensely as you know, very honest with her. Her when she when she's at lunch with with Ramona and Bethenny saying, you know, she feels an adequate as a woman without kids and that kind of broke my heart. I understand wanting to have children. I told like I want to have children so I could see how how at a certain age without having children that make me feel bad, but you should also be happy with the life that you're living at the same time like she she is very financially stable. All she's living in one of the best cities in the world and she has a lot going for her. So it's like I get that that's missing but you shouldn't feel inadequate as a woman because you have so many other things to contribute to in this world then having children and yes children are a part of it but like know that your value is more than just being a mom a mom is an added bonus and you know, I agree with the advice that Ramona and Bethenny were kind of giving her was that you know, you can't worry about them. Man, you have to worry about the baby if having a child is something that you want. You can't wait to find the perfect man, especially at your age. You have all the resources to have a great sperm donor carry the child yourself you have access to the best doctors in the world. So yeah what Bethenny said a good man will come to you and love you because of who you are. Even if you have a child and the child would be an added bonus, you know, so I see where Tinsley is coming from Totally get it. I totally understand you want to do it the traditional way but as you get older, you've been married and divorced your time clock as woman. It's unfortunate. We have a clock it's running out. You can have to re-evaluate you have to fix up the game plan. You know, it's halftime now got to look at what went wrong what's going right and just you know, a dress accordingly and sorry for the sports reference, but that's just kind of what she has to do is take a look Inward and then say you know what? What if I want a kid? I'm going to have myself a kid. I might be doing it alone. But I have a great family. I have a great support system and I could do this and the right man for me will come when it's time for him to come and if it just so happens that the man comes first and then the baby the more power to you, but just realized that you have options in today's world in today's science. So Moving on to Ramona. I loved a good Ramona looking inward reflective moment. We got that today. You know, she she comes to this lunch. And by the way, I loved Bethenny and Ramona chatting with each other and being so cool and so cordial and just like vibing like this is this is a relationship that can last if it's at this level like as soon as it gets deeper and the dirt it just is not good but seeing them like Stand having a good time loved it. But Ramona, you know said she went shopping with Barbara's remember, I think it was last week or the week before I'm Barb kind of put it out to her. You have what you're saying isn't bad, but it's your delivery and how you say it. So Ramona goes I'm going to preface something for you Bethany because I'm now aware that my delivery could be a little bit too harsh and she expresses that you know, she wishes that Bethenny would have skipped the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show red carpet and come to her charity event and then have gone to the fashion show and I love Bethany's response. It was what would you have dead Ramona? What would you have done Ramona? If you had an opportunity to go on a red carpet for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show or to my small little charity event. Which have you done? Would you have gone? Skip the red carpet knowing Ramona how we know Ramona and loving her how we know Ramona we know she would have gone on that red carpet. Hello. High water she would have been there. She would have been looking good should have been in every photo op possible and it was just like like I appreciate her how she delivered what was upsetting to her. Totally appreciate it. But let's be real Ramona. You're making it to the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show red carpet. We know you are and we love you for it. We love you for it. That's what we love about you. We love you going to a charity event and saying to the Renda I got the tables mixed up when we know for a fact that you didn't get. Some tables mixed up. You just want to set a better table. We love you for that. We think you're not a great person for it. But we love watching you for it. Like thank you and thank you for being such a hypocrite on that moment and asking Bethany to have skipped. The Victoria's Secret red carpet because again, we love you for it. Appreciate it Ramona. But yeah II do I do appreciate how she approached her with this news of information and and you know, and I went over very well because she Return a different way so kudos to you Ramona. You're learning you're growing you're thriving. We appreciate you. We love you. God bless moving on Bethany also starts. This is a really like packed lunch. They really discussed a lot of things in this lunch. Now that I'm sitting here telling you guys everything that they discussed Bethany vents about her frustrations with Lou and how Lou was really, you know, kind of hammering her about leaving early from her concert Halloween bash thing. NG and I mean I agreed with Bethany last week and I agree with her even more this week like yeah, sure Brens asleep at 11 o'clock, but he want to be fresh and ready to go in the morning when your child wakes up. You don't want to be hungover. You don't want to be tired. You want to be the best mom you could be so if that requires you getting home before midnight then so be it like who are you Luann to say you weren't there for me Bethany was the first one at that event first. Their first one to support her first one to get her back into rehab like who are you to say that you weren't she wasn't there for you? So I totally hear Bethenny's point of view. I hear where she's coming from. I'm so team Beyond this one without any questions without any debate. So yeah, I'm actually kind of curious with you guys and I'll check in as chat. What do you guys think? Are you team Bethany are you team Luann when it comes to be leaving early for the leaving? Early from the Halloween party to be with Brennan. I really think that it's you're a single mom. You're in a horrible ugly custody battle, which we'll get to in news and gossip that any misstep you have on television with your child is going to be used against you in court with your horrible ex-husband. So if she needs to leave at 11 to get to her daughter and free up the sitter then she needs to do that because her ex-husband's watching and a seeing what she's doing when She has her daughter. So I'm all about it. I think she's totally fine. Yeah Allison, her child is her first priority good for her. Totally agree. I come from a single-parent household. So I get it and plus like I mean, I'm not old but also who wants to be out that late. Anyway, I mean like 9:00 p.m. If I'm home by midnight makeup off in bed PJs, that's a win for me. So Kid or no kid really? That's I mean, that's just me. That's just me. So yes, so moving on. Let's see what you guys are saying in the chat loose sober is so mean and pretentious. Naughty bats. Yes. For sure Team B Kids First Matthew lvp, and Lou are so snobby. The longer they are on the France this franchise. I agree with you naughty. I think that the camera time and being like An OG essentially is getting to some of these women's egos going up Jackie Galaxy. We all know what and where Ramona would be. What's the name of the bar? She dropped dumps them all for? Oh, yes. Yes, Ramona always leaving the friends love it guys. Love it. I love how active you guys on the chat. I really appreciate it keeping me company as I'm sitting here alone. Um, but we finally get to to back back to Upstate New York Barbara shows up to lose home and Sonia Barbara Luann started or sodium Barbara start to tell Luann how all the women are feeling about her how she's being pretentious how she's talking too much about the Cabaret and how she's not really taking time to care for her girlfriends that have been there and supported her all the way so Luann doesn't take well to this news. She does not think that she's being rude to these woman. She's he has I was rehearsing I couldn't come down. I had a shout-out to do was supposed to be scheduled for midnight, but I scheduled it for eleven like just listen to what they're saying and understand it like you don't have to be so defensive. And I mean, I think I think Barbara said it best was Luann just that she doesn't listen it doesn't get through the head. 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Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV, by the way, you're sitting at my house and sitting up my table like really really she didn't attack you. She didn't call you a name. She just said what your friends are saying about you like she's being a solid girlfriend you Going to threaten Sonia by saying like you're sitting in my house. You're sitting up my table like get a life Luann. I can't I have been so anti like I've never really been a LuAnn fan. I'll say that I've never really been a loyal fan. She you know provides Good comic relief. She's funny. She's a little bit too into herself, which makes her even more funny but like she just doesn't do it for me doesn't do it for me. Shoot me whatever don't care. She just doesn't do it for me and And this how her behavior is this season is really just further validating what I think about her and how my thoughts have been about her. I think she suffers from too much privilege. I think that yes you fell in a horrible time you bounce back up, you know, you're just have this marvelous Cabaret I get it, but also people are going through a lot worse in life and doing a lot better according to their standards and like Bravo to them like I don't know like if you liked give back in some way. That's just something about it that just feels so phony so anyways, that's just me going off on the little tangent about my disliking of Luann the Countess. But yeah, so moving on the women finally get to but Luann, I'm sorry Bethenny do Renda and tensley finally make their way to Luann's house in Upstate New York. Ramona's going to be a little bit late. She didn't initially say why but we find out why later it's very Ramona thing for her to do but the women are on their way and this they decide that they want to you know, play a drinking game whenever Luann says Cabaret take a sip. And you know Tinsley was there for it because she was just you know there to get drunk. She's not there to make friends or whatever. She's here to win this drinking game and she was on one. I loved it. I love a good drinking game alert. I love I guy drink along with Andy Cohen on Watch What Happens Live? I've been drinking water lately because I've been drinking alcohol, but that's either really neither here nor there. Yeah, Luann has a bit narcissistic totally agree. Lou is just plain phony and Chest you can make an omelet and Beyond the toilet. Yes, Bethenny. You can make an omelet and be on the toilet at Luann's new house. Thank you. Jackie Galaxy for pointing that out the women get there and they they think the house is cute. I mean the house is chart. It's a Charming house. It's very nice. It's very it's beautiful on the water the trees in the fall. Like I thought it was gorgeous. It was very nice. Yes, but it's isolating. It's in the middle of nowhere. We're dorinda's like why would you want a little bit depressing? There's a bath a kitchen and you're in your guest room like there's a lot going on in the house that needs to be remodeled but it's still a really cute house, but it's definitely not for all the women. I found it funny to when Lou was like you could be in LA in this house. No, you can't that's not an L A house and speaking of dry counties you guys I'm born and raised in Southern, California. I don't know too much about like what's a dry county like I've been in the South. I know that you can't buy alcohol after a certain time or on Sundays like you can't buy alcohol like in certain, you know States what exactly if someone in the tracks just you know educate your girl a little bit about a dry county give me specifics. Does that mean that they don't sell alcohol whatsoever in that county or only on certain days like Y and I'm going to make sense if you're Sober if you're a recovering alcoholic to want to live in a dry county area just not for me. It's not very La. It's not very L a-- but yeah, so we find out Ramona's late because she is celebrating her birthday all month long and look guys I empathize with her. I understand being a birthday snob I too was a birthday snob and my early 20s. Yes, I would stretch. My birthday amongst a whole entire weekend celebrate from a Thursday to a Sunday. You got the Thursday night College drinking night. You got the Friday night party night Saturday day time with your family Saturday night with more different a different group of friends Sunday brunch talking about what happened Saturday Friday Thursday. I get an elongated birthday. Up until certain age like when you're 60 something years old. You don't need a month-long celebration. I'm sorry, or maybe maybe you do maybe you do because you hit a certain point in your life where you know what you're like I'm killing it. I'm past 50. I'm over the hump. I'm a senior citizen like I'm going to do the damn thing. So maybe you do need a month-long birthday. I don't know. I guess that's a good thing to think about but it's just all so very exhausting like it got to a certain point when I was like doing the whole weekend thing or it's just like God this Tiring like I couldn't get past Friday anymore. Maybe that just has a little bit about me. I don't know. I don't know Karen Taft. You can't drink legally so that so you can't drink legally and The city I don't be bad that I'm all alone. I'm totally fine. So yeah a month-long celebration celebrating your birthday and the woman don't you know, they're not really cool with it, but it is what it is more power to you. If you could rally for a month-long celebrate your birthday then good for you at 60 something years old you do the damn thing, but I can't even get through a weekend. So whatever Ramona so the one All there, the woman finally all get there except for Ramona and they're all sitting around the table and was kind of like explaining to them what they have going on for the night and that they're going to go out and Kingston and watch at 80 year old woman perform Cabaret. How fun. This is what happens when you have sober friends like to be honest. You're going to watch 80 year old women sit at a keyboard and sing Cabaret, like that's what happens when your friends are sober like how come on girl. Come on you could have done you could have done better, but I love dorinda's joke about it's like kind of looking. E into a future of yourself, which is true, which is true. You're very much looking to a future of yourself Luann singing Cabaret at 80, but the women are really fill in it and you know, Sonja gets you know, she just so okay. So oh running out of time. Um episode wraps up with Bethenny laying it all out to an in front of the woman saying that you're wrong for thinking that for me trying to make my child a priority is wrong of you. Like you'll never come before my child period point blank in the story. I have been there for you. I have supported you I was there for three and a half hours. And you didn't come on stage. So that's on you. I did what I had to do to be a good friend. I now have to exit the situation and be there in a be a well operating mother for my child. Bye adios like and a story and for Luann to keep you know, I don't want to say it but it just kind of shows what kind of a mother she probably was growing like when her kids were young like when she's just like higher it hire someone to watch him at night. Like was it matter? It's just like it has nothing to do with being there at night as everything like I get it you would be fresh. And ready to go with your kid in the morning have the lunch ready have the happy energy. Are you ready for your cereal? Are you gonna put your socks on like you want to be ready and going and if you're out till midnight watching money can't buy you class like you're not going to be that like it'll look cool the way on like sorry you guys your kids are all grown up. Leave me be with my eight-year-old daughter. Okay. Okay. Um, so let's go ahead and move on to news and gossip. Let's go ahead and talk about Carol and Bethany. Yes, Carolyn Bethany. Carol is dragged into Bethenny Frankel's custody battle as Bethany suggest Real Housewives of New York isn't actually real what and this is kind of what I was speaking about earlier to the point of she's in this messy custody battle with her ex-husband. She stays out to 1:00 a.m. While Brenda at home. What is messy ex-husband going to do he's gonna bring up this clip and say she was out to one am getting smashed with her friends, whatever. So anyways, Bethenny's friendship with Carol is long over but during a recent custody hearing with ex husband Jason Hoppy The Real Housewives of New York City Star was forced to answer questions about their past Feud as she attempts to gain full custody of her eight-year-old daughter Bren. Bethany was confronted about things Carol said about her on the show and things that she has said about Carol. Jason Hoppy's lawyer asked to Carol say you're a master of self-promotion and quick to insult which I don't really understand why that's like who cares what I have to do with me being a great mom, whatever but then he replied. I'm not sure was that harassment. If it's not it's at the time Robert then asked Bethenny if Carole was harassing her when she was accused of being a bitch. No Bethenny said that's not harassment that saying and calling me a name did Carol say you are incapable of having an entire conversation unless it's to manipulate people into believing what you want them to believe again. What does this have to do with her being a good mom to Bren? Absolutely nothing. So it's just further goes to show like whatever she does on the show is going to be used against her. So yeah, she's gonna look like a grade-a mom while cameras are filming Luann go suck it like sorry. So yeah, so the best the Bethany dentist or sorry not Dennis the Bethenny Jason Hoppy stuff is still going on. It's still being dragged on and its really ugly and it's really sad and it sucks that they're going to use this show against her. It's similar to what happened with Shannon Beador her husband was doing the similar thing with her custody battle with her three kids. It's just ugly and nasty moving on to I guess nicer things. I do love a good housewife mashup. And this is what we are getting is You're listening to me the audio. You won't see this fabulous photo of my girl Cynthia Bailey my other girl Lisa Rinna and not my girl Luann de lesseps, um at looking fabulous and you guessed it Giovanni amazing photo. They all look Amaze almost Luann looks almost unrecognizable. It's a People magazine expose cover. Shoot, whatever. I don't know Cynthia's got her not to Only large afro Lisa with the signature Bob and a beautiful dress and Lou in the white gown in the middle kind of posing like Charlie's Angels superfab. I'm not quite sure if this is for her music video, like I've told you guys I think it was last week that she has a new song coming out this summer and time for Gay Pride called Giovanni said this may be from the video shoot a nice little housewife, you know, mashup music. Here for it love it. So we'll see but they all look fabulous. They look great. I love it. I'm here. I'm here for I'm here for women supporting other women. I'm not a big Lou fan. I'll support you and your Cabaret Endeavors. I don't really care for you. But I like seeing Cynthia and Lisa there maybe it was just for a check. I don't know but it's a fabulous photo and I can't wait to see what the end product is my God. I think that's in the show guys fun. Stop. I feel like we covered everything. It was so nice talking to you all in the chat. I really appreciate you guys hanging out with me and giving me all of your feedback Lou was and still is a rotten mother aren't they seeing her that lawsuits over but yeah, they were suing her. Gosh that Jason must be a psychopath dragging this case out. So many years ridiculous poor Bethany agreed Giovanni guys. I love it. You could catch me on Instagram. Follow me on Instagram see underscore as Jones and you could follow everything else that I'm doing in my life, and in my career at Chelsea Star Jones.com lien will be here next week, and we'll be keeping some more about the New York Housewives. Okay. 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Tinsley is stressing about men and babies, Ramona continues to climb the social ladder, and the women all head to LuAnn’s new home in Upstate New York feeling she’s not really being a good friend. Chelsea Stark-Jones is solo tonight - but gives all the juice on this week’s break down of Real Housewives of New York! ABOUT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC AFTER SHOW: To a certain group of people in New York, status is everything...and with status comes plenty of drama to unpack on THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK CITY AFTER SHOW. We’ll recap all the buzz-worthy moments from the show, from the fabulous to the fights from our favorite Big Apple ladies. Tune in here for ALL the tea as we review, recap and provide in-depth discussions of the latest episodes! Who knows! You might just see some familiar cast member faces. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC: The Real Housewives of New York City (abbreviated RHONY) is an American reality television series that premiered on March 4, 2008 on Bravo. Developed as the second installment of The Real Housewives franchise, following The Real Housewives of Orange County, it has aired seven seasons and focuses on the personal and professional lives of several women residing in New York City. The series originally focused on LuAnn de Lesseps, Bethenny Frankel, Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, and Jill Zarin. The eighth season lineup of housewives will consist of de Lesseps, Frankel, Singer, Sonja Morgan, Carole Radziwill, Dorinda Medley, and newcomer Jules Wainstein. Of the original housewives, Frankel initially left after the third season before returning for the seventh; McCord and Zarin left after the fourth season; and de Lesseps was a friend of the housewives in the sixth. The remaining housewives joined in later seasons: Morgan in the third, Radziwill in the fifth, Medley in the seventh, and Wainstein in the eighth. Other housewives include Kelly Killoren Bensimon (seasons 2–4), Cindy Barshop (season 4), Aviva Drescher (seasons 5–6), Heather Thomson (seasons 5–7), and Kristen Taekman (seasons 6–7).

Hi everyone. It's Rebecca. You're listening to superwomen today's guest is numerous. Akiza the founder of Maggiore if you don't know about imagery it is as important below incredible beautiful sustainable. I mean, I could keep going I'm wearing it in my ears as we speak line of Fine Jewelry when she decided that there was nothing around that fit what she wanted and coming from a long line of jewelry. She chose to create her own company. Take a listen. I was getting served tons and tons of ads on Instagram of Missouri jewelry and I loved how dainty it was and I went to the store and bought a bunch. This is not an ad for imagery by the way, but when she reached out I was like, oh, I want to tell your story. I Want To Know Your Story first of all, so thank you for joining me today. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. So tell me where you're from and how did you come up with this brand? So I was born and raised in Jordan, and I'm Third Generation in my family to work in jewelry. So I've always been immersed in this world your blood. It's in my blood and looking at the industry traditionally it's targeted for men to buy for women. It's classic designs and typically people buy it on occasion. So call it either the holidays or Valentine's so I didn't think that was something that was that resonated with me or even my friends. So I decided to take a detour. I studied industrial engineering I moved to Canada. I worked in Consulting for Five years and then when I started to make some disposable income and wanted to buy jewelry for myself, I couldn't find a destination or brand that carried the styles that I like or the values that resonated with me. So that was sort of the trigger to go back into the industry and create something new and Next Generation fine jewelry brand that really targets women to buy jewelry for themselves. So being that it was in your blood. Was it an easier jump to get started back in that again versus One who it you know, like did you did you already know where to go to get it made? And yeah, absolutely. So it really removes that I guess intimidation Factor when you first want to start to make a product and I had some connections here and there had some industry knowledge, which is pretty I would say important in something that is technical. So definitely that helped out. So when you came up with the idea, who's the first person you told and what did they say? So it was my husband and me actually talking about it back and forth. And and we we had just got married and we both were like this makes sense. So I started pursuing the opportunity and I started working on a day and night and one, you know, I then talk to our creative director who is now still our creative director and then our CTO sort of started adding more. I called him crazy team members because in the beginning, you know, you're you're talking about an idea and you're bringing these people along the way and so the four of us. Hustle Day Day in day out and the team grew and now we're about about 250 people. Wow. So how did you get the people early on to sign on to something without did you have to raise money right off the bat or you like? How did you do that? First steps? Yeah, the first step was we got into a business accelerator. And so that was sort of the first step to get some seeds even proceed. I would say investment, but the way that I got Steen and Nico and to join the companies. I think we had something in common at that point where we had worked for a few years. We sort of established a certain level of knowledge of of in certain fields and we all were craving to work on something and I think we had that in common. We found each other it's funny from different parts of the world. And once we got into the business accelerator gave us a boost to basically pay for the business a little bit and then momentum started we got into It's startups. And after that I raised our seed funding you got in the 500 startups. What does that mean? So 500 startups startups is one of the top technology accelerator is okay. And so it sort of is interesting because we are a jewelry company that is Tech enabled and so being part of a tech environment was really interesting for our mindset. First of all, we were surrounded by it by a lot of smart people a lot of entrepreneurs who are doing similar things in different Avenues, so that really she helped but also the entire thought process of experimentation and accepting failure part of the process, which is what you typically see in technology. It was something that we actually adopted in our business and it really helped us have a huge appetite for failure and try different things. Can we can we dive deeper into the being okay with failure because I think you're right. It is in technology, but in every other entrepreneur out there they fail and they're like, they're like devastated and they can get over it. So what is it about what you learn in? G and just tell me more about how you adopted it to your business. There's honestly it took me quite some time to be okay with the process itself because it took me quite some time for me as an entrepreneur to kind of create a distance between me and the company and work really hard on realizing that if the company doesn't do. Well, it doesn't mean that I am as a person not doing well and I think it starts with that thought process and then really thinking about it as a business meaning that it's nothing personal and as part of evolving in business we have to put an extra. Experimentation funnel in college in in marketing or college in technology and accept that 80% of these experiments are not going to work just the idea of embracing that embracing that it's a challenging thing embracing that there's failure part of the process. I think changes your entire mindset and it's not an overnight thing. I'm not going to pretend like all of a sudden I was capable of doing that. I definitely had my ups and downs. I went to therapy throughout the process of creating a start-up. I really had to work on my Mental state to get to a point where I feel more comfortable with the idea of failure. That's really great. I hope everyone listening really takes that too hard because you it is a funnel and it's the experimentation funnel. It's like yeah when I start bashing my husband when he's brainstorming, he's like, this is a brainstorm. You can't you can't shoot me down. We're just like riffing here and I'm like, no ideas are bad ideas, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. So what is Maggiore mean? It's actually a made-up word that we wanted to create with. No sort of preconceived me. Meaning and we created the word asked our friends everyone loved it and we stuck to it. Okay in a fluctuating gold market. How do you maintain your consistency in your and your value proposition which is huge to customers like you have very very affordable Fine Jewelry. Yes. So it's a great question. Obviously right now gold prices are very very high which which impacts our business. So one of the things that majority of our styles are on the daintier side as you mentioned in the beginning So the fluctuation the gold doesn't impact the cost that much however as a transparent business what we're looking at right now is doing all of the analyses on our on our margins on the fluctuations and seeing, you know, are there any changes that we need to to basically have on the prices because we are also transparent when things fluctuate down drastically were also transparent. So we sort of need to maintain conduct a successful business and a transparent business. So we're undergoing that analysis right now, but the pieces or the dainty this of the pieces sort of helps us with not being super impacted by the fluctuation make sense. We had something similar but we couldn't raise our prices like when mad cow disease was running rampant and the price of cows was like going up and I was like, I never thought this would be my life where like you can't afford the cow that you're buying. Yeah. I know. I know it's it's these problems that you can't really control, but totally yeah. So does you do you work with your husband we do? Yes. How does talk to me all about how that What is his job? What's yours? So I'm the CEO. He's the president and CEO. And so naturally we're looking at different things in the business and we're sort of a divide-and-conquer type of Kapil as well. As you know, his strengths and weaknesses are very different from mine. So that was very helpful for us not to sort of have our hands in everything together. Obviously. It wasn't easy in the beginning, you know taking work at home every single day and sort of our dates turned into into work meetings. And then we got to a point, you know year after year where I would say we perfected each other space meaning that if I don't want to talk about something I would be just up front about it and I need my space at work. We sort of nurture healthy disagreement Not Just Between Us between everyone so agreement or disagreement. So we have sort of a healthy environment in terms of really not having to gain consensus on everything but really get a line if that makes sense. So I think just being comfortable with these. With these aspects year-over-year had helped us to get to this point. There are a lot of positives to it as well because the the trust level is something that you can't really duplicate with anyone else and I think that really helps us totally and so you also took on investment. Yes. How far into your journey did you take that on and what made you decide to do that? So our seed funding so we started January 2015 and our seed funding came in I would say year and a half after and then we did series a and series B most recently. So the reason why we decided to do that is because we wanted to create a business that is high growth and for high growth. We need to invest in in growth acceleration essentially. And so that was the idea from the beginning. It's it's a huge market and it's the time to do something about it. And so we wanted to go big. We also wanted to bring in Partners who can open up doors connect us and so it An essentially only is sort of capital approach. It was all so how do we get connected to the right people to bring them on the board for them to connect us to the right people as well for our business, you know seed financing was even though it was a million. It was my proudest moment. We raised most recently 23 million in series B, but seed financing was the toughest by far. Wow, and the 23 million that we raised. I was seven months pregnant when we did that. Oh my goodness. Yeah with twins I should say so it was It was so funny because I was I was citing the the deal when I was in the hospital just before having the babies. Oh my gosh, and how old are the babies now? Seven months. Holy shit. Two girls. Yeah. Wow, was it a surprise that you were having twins? Oh, yeah. Oh my God, you've twins in your family we do but I never thought I'd be the one, you know, so I let yeah, so when the doctor said there's two I'm like what but you know what efficiency I always say it matches my my character totally to done. Yeah, so I'd love you to take me through your head space raising that kind of money the pressure of that being pregnant signing papers at the hospital. Like how what was your what was your sort of Guiding Light of being strong so in it was different in different stages in seed financing it became more and that was what the reason I say. It's my proudest moment. It's because you barely have Traction in seed financing and it's you're going and you're raising for an idea for a future and betting on a team essentially and so, you know going and pitching Fine Jewelry to a lot of mead VC's who may not really relate to the idea of Fine Jewelry was not an easy exercise. And so what kept me going is just it turned into this. I was challenging myself. I think it turned into this thing where I'm I'm not going to quit it makes a lot of sense. So I'm going to go after it and it took me over six months to get 1 million. So that was a tough one and Not turn my thought process into really heads down focus on the on the business focus on the unit economics understand the ins and outs of the business and really helped us basically take that 1 million far and be able to raise a series a which was an easier conversation by the time we got to series B. It was it becomes more of a metrics conversation. So you've already established a certain level of brand credibility. You've also established that trust with the customer and it becomes more of it, man. Eric's and the team has already proven themselves, you know doing that while pregnant was was tough was really tough emotionally. Obviously, I had to take one call after the other being pregnant with twins is not easy. I couldn't fly to see investors. So it was sort of a nice way for us to filter out whoever you know is not interested essentially in in this type of business or or founder. And so, you know, it wasn't easy. It was very proud thing that I've done but I have to say also we got to a point. To where our team was doing great. My husband also was my partner with the fundraising process. And that was you know, one of the huge advantages I was mentioning and so that was really helpful for me. So you signed the papers you had your babies and now you're obviously growing the company. So how has work changed for you since becoming a mom or maybe it hasn't it's yeah, it's it's very challenging. I think the I used to stay in the office until eight nine ten doesn't matter and obviously, right? Now I can't do that and I don't want to do that. Yeah, I want to be the first person they see when they wake up and the last person they see before they sleep so I have to be there by 5:00 and so just cutting out all of these hours from my schedule meant that I really need to figure out how to work on the most important things which is kind of forcing me to become a better CEO. I still haven't figured it out. I'm not going to lie. I'm sort of always feeling that I'm behind, but I'm Becoming better at really identifying what where is my time? And where should I hire? And and I think you know, I think that's going to help us become a more scalable company. Totally. I think I think you said it perfectly that it's a but I also think I'm trying to learn with it's okay to be a little behind. Yes, right? Yes. You have three kids, right? I have three kids. Yeah, so I'm definitely always behind but I just am like learning to just get like really cozy and comfortable with yeah. Yeah because as an entrepreneur you're always after Perfection Improvement, so honestly, I think we're always going to be behind totally. What are you what's the future of imagery? We're now really focused on creating amazing experiences in real life. So we are focused on so we just opened our La store last week, which was an amazing opening we're focused on creating these outlets for our customers to come touch and feel the brand feel the the products get styled. So really a huge focus is going there. We're thinking of our International expansion as well. We really think of ourselves as sort of redefining luxury and and that basically entails experiences as well as additional product categories. That's exciting. So is the jewelry Legacy of your family, are they excited and proud or they're like, hey, you're disrupting our space. Get out of here. They're very proud. I should say they were like, what are you doing this selling jewelry online that, you know, it's unheard of but but they're very proud of what's Happening. That's great. Eight. And so what do you do to relax if anything right now? So it's changed drastically from before kids and after and I think right now it's spending time with my family is really really key and also spending time with my husband. So I'm very focused on not losing these date nights and in the midst of all the craziness so they found me how you do that. Honestly every Friday at no matter how tired we are. We just go out even for a drink or for dinner. We just make make it a routine every Friday without questioning and you don't talk about work or it's okay. We try not to okay, we try not to yes. And what did you do before kids to relax lots of time with friends parties. We used to have friends over all the time. It was quite an adjustment. I have to say to sort of switch from being the place with with friends all the time to sort of this new life side, but we still see them on a weekly basis. Not not not, you know. Without parties essentially that is your family in Toronto or they're all back in Jordan. They're all back in Jordan. Wow. Yeah, so I moved on my own 11 years ago. Wow, and what made you choose Toronto versus you know, Rhode Island or New York or California? I had family at the time in Toronto. So I said, you know, even though I didn't live with them, but it was just the idea of having someone there. So I picked her Anto I moved to do my MBA and sort of get International experience and work and then I fell in love with it and I Eight. So what's been a big failure that you've learned something great from I've all honestly failure is part of the process. I'd say recently something that opened up. My eyes is hiring for culture is just as important as hiring for technical expertise. Tell me everything. I just realized to be honest if you're looking so when you're growing fast and you are in this higher higher mode and vetting for a culture should be one of your essential essential steps because when you hire someone who knows a lot about an area and they don't mesh with the culture of the company, it can be disruptive for everyone around them. And so we had this experience where we hired someone and they're very knowledgeable in their field, but they couldn't work with anyone else. They were more, you know from more of a large corporate type of environmental lot of processes have to be in place a lot of you know much more call it advanced process. Why? And we're at a point where culture Trump's process type of environment and I think it should be that way. So it just simply didn't work and we had an honest conversation. And from then on I think it's been a huge focus of mine to actually I take almost all of the culture interviews from director level up. Wow, and what are some things you've done culture wiser than your company that have been game changers. One of the things that we did really really well is actually identify our core values. Yes, and I actually used to have culture meetings every single month which means that I'm reiterating these cultural values and whenever someone gets on-boarded we sit in the same room and we talk about these values and it becomes more of this is who we are and this is these are the values that we sort of have in order to excel in the company and it's a two-way conversation. It's a win-win and I think that brings a lot of clarity as to how we operate think that's really smart. I'm writing that down. Yeah, I we you know, Netflix has a really interesting culture. It's very very detailed. But it's very interesting how they've done their values really highly recommend looking at that. I even talked about it in the last interview. I did earlier was like when you grow so fast, sometimes you fail to look inside. Yes, and you're just like get in start rowing. Yeah. Yeah, and then you look around you're like, oh we got to make these people happy exactly. Do we do that and we got to make them talk and we got to make them work together. R cross functionally, so it's a huge competitive advantage and it's I think it's very big. It's a challenging job. Totally. Yeah, do you ever feel and I do this all the time but like the mother and me wants to take care of employees. And so you being a mother but you're the CEO and their boss. Yes. Have you been able to separate that that nurture / do your job? Yes. It's so interesting that you say that I've had it even before I had kids that used to make fun of me. They're like you should have kids because I'm like mothering them. But I think my my executive coach right now is really helping me realize how I need to sort of step back and accept that some people may fail to learn and that's okay and I think that's a big sort of step for me that I don't have to make sure that everything is perfect and give them their their freedom to fail and try and do different things and I think also being a mother now and not having not much time. I'm as I used to before is also forcing me to take that route, which I think is in the end is a win-win for everyone. So one thing I like to ask is what would we be surprised to know about you can be personal professional. I'm surprised to know about me the first thing that comes to mind which is very silly but I love cars. Okay, because I look so, you know not like that tomboyish kind of person but I actually was a very huge tomboy growing up. So I love cars and I used to sort of Drive. Stick shift, is that what they call it? Yeah for the longest time and every time I say that to someone they're like you it doesn't look like you so do you have a fast car? Not now? No because I live in a big city. I have a know. I don't know and I have twins so right there is a friend first and not going in the back of a Porsche. No, not not yet. And then I love to leave our listeners with any bit of advice whether you've learned or been told that's been instrumental in building your life. You take care of yourself. It's sort of it's not selfish to stop and take care of yourself and that will really show in every aspect of your life and you know, make luxury habits. Like we say at Majora and it's literally something that stems from what my mother used to tell me is stop take listen to your body take care of yourself because nothing else will work if you're not happy and that's essentially what I'm trying to do right now. Also with the twins is to realize that in order. For me to give them everything that I can I need to also be happy and fulfilled and so you know going to work is I don't want to feel guilty about that because it's part of me even though you know, I have seven month old twins. I think it actually brings the best of me. So really finds what brings you happiness and don't feel guilty about it. That's great. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was Nora to find out more about what she's up to. You can follow her at Maggiore.

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Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I have award-winning author and lecturer Jeff lowenthal's he's written many books in his past including his famous teaming series specifically teaming with microbes teeming with nutrients and teeming with fungi today. He comes on the a show to talk about his new book called DIY autoflowering cannabis and easy way to grow your own during this podcast episode Jeff brought up many important topics regarding Auto flowers, but the essential topic he brought up was his belief that autoflowering cannabis will be the future for cannabis Growers Home and Commercial Growers alike. Also during this podcast episode. Jeff debunked a lot of rumors that many photo period Growers often assume about Auto flowers including cloning. This podcast is filled with quality information about Auto flowers, and why you as a home grower should seriously consider growing Auto flowers. Please remember to press subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine. The cheap homegirl podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast and on today's show. We have renowned author Jeff low on Fells. He has written many books in his past the the teeming with microbes series you have what teeming with nutrients teaming with microbes in the Organics or excuse me, the organic Growers guide to my coryza and Jeffrey on Today Show. You are going to be talking about your new book about Auto flowers and the you know, so Jeffrey if you could could you Please, you know tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the meat of the of the conversation. Sure. Well, I as you noted I have three books that apply to all plants, but I think they specifically applied to cannabis teaming with microbes teaming with nutrients team with fungi known as the teeming series, which I started in 2006. The last book came out in 2000. 17 to Trilogy, you know, so I like to call myself Lord of The Roots. I'm a retired attorney businessman. And basically what I do now is I study soil I advise cannabis Growers around the country and I write books and so that's kind of a quick summary. I live in Anchorage Alaska pretty far away and I write a weekly Garden column which I've been doing for about About 43 years never missed a week. So that makes me the longest-running Garden columnist in the world and that that into sense will get you absolutely nothing nothing. Yeah. So anyway, that's that's sort of my background and one one day A couple of years ago. I was with a friend of mine and gentleman named Tom Alexander who some of your some of your listeners may know he's a Woman that started a little little rag sheet hundred years ago called sensimilla tips. He popularized the word sinsemilla and he told people how to grow cannabis and morphed into a couple of magazines and today. He's just an old guy like me and he showed me an auto flowering cannabis plant about four or five years ago, and it was a life-changing experience. So I was result of that. That I started to try to grow a couple and fool around with them and ultimately came to the conclusion based upon the fact that I that I am a garden writer for General gardeners yard nurse people who take care of their homes and their vegetable garden that kind of stuff. I'm convinced that autoflowering cannabis is the next tomato and it's going to it's going to be very very popular and I wrote this book not for you because you're probably an experience grower. But I really wrote it for your mother who would grow a tomato, but would never think about cannabis because she doesn't know anything about it and she's scared of it. So so it's an interesting little book and it's you can order it on Amazon today. It's called do-it-yourself cannabis a new way to grow or do it yourself autoflowering cannabis, but it's not out until October 22nd, but there you go. So in a nutshell, that's what's going on. Great. Well, Jeff, listen, man, uh, you know, thank you for coming on the show. I and I'm quite positive. My listeners really do appreciate it. But really I have you know, my first question is I mean well why autoflowering cannabis, I mean, what about Auto flowers made you want to write this book? I mean sure what's so I guess transformative about, you know, growing Auto flowers, right? Well, it's an interesting. Experience growing up and having just having stumbled on them fascinating. And so so here's the problem if you want to grow regular cannabis which which which is either indica or sativa, you got to deal with plants that are first of all fairly large and and some of them can be quite large, you know, you can get you can get some of these plants up to 18 feet tall. So it's not a plant you definitely want to grow in your deck. It's not a plant. You necessarily want to grow in a garden it takes up too much room. It's not Escape Plan is a difficult plant to grow in terms of size. It's a difficult plant to grow in terms of harvest because it requires that you have nights that are longer than days and that means you can't Harvest if you're growing outside until after the equinox and and in many places particularly like places like Anchorage Alaska that coincides with when the temperature starts to get too cool for these things to try I've and so it's very very difficult. If you're if you're in you know, not equatorial places to grow a great crop. These plants have been bred. So that some of them take seven to nine months to actually come to harvest and and then and then finally, you know, they're just they're just difficult plants to grow. So so those things, you know sort of make make cannabis a plant that a professional might grow a real hobby hobby hobby type person would grow. Um, but but not my mother I can tell you that right now she'll grow a tomato, but she will grow cannabis plant. So Along Comes a new discovery. What happened was someone bread regular sativa and indica cannabis plants with a third kind of cannabis that most people don't know about called Rudy Alice. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No. Now this was the history of this is interesting because this particular variety of cannabis developed as a result of seeds escaping from plantations in Northern environments and you know taking hold and then suddenly realizing wait a minute. It's getting awfully cold and I haven't had my photo period yet, but I want to survive and so evolution is created plants that are able to flower before the night. Get longer than the days. These are non photo period plants they are genetically they flower based upon their genetics not upon the length of the day and what that means is you can grow indoors Outdoors any time of the year under any kind of light duration and they'll still flour based on their genetics and what's even better is that the genetics are such that they They bloom and you can Harvest them. So in other words they go from seed to harvest in seven to nine weeks weeks not months. Right? Wow, that is you know that automatically solves the problems in the really Alice plant was a very small little scrubby little plant was discovered in about or first stumbled upon least these publicly and around 1900. Guy was up in Russia. And he was working in the Volga River area and he stumbled upon these little plants and you know, but they didn't have very much they didn't have any teeth seeing them actually and you know, so they really didn't have any really used form. But but people fooled around with them a little bit and then in 2001 or so the first commercials started to come out okay, and they weren't very good, but they were very cute little plants, right? So that's the third. Third link they're small. They're like tomato plants, right so you can grow them on a deck. You can grow them indoors Outdoors. You can grow in your vegetable garden, they're terrific little plants. So there you go. That's it and they kept getting better in terms of their THC context in the CBD content, right? Yeah. Well, that's that's what I wanted to to to ask you Jeff. I mean, you know, I've had a lot of excuse me. I've had a lot of Of cannabis Growers on my show and I mean quite frankly a lot of them don't like growing Auto flowers because they they often cite that the you know that the THC count is is extremely low and I always, you know, well, I pretty much always state that you know, that was once true but now that's not so true anymore. I mean, so I didn't correct, you know, I mean right well, is that a fair? Even for me to make or absolutely off there. No, absolutely. It's a very fair statement to me what's happened just in the past three or four years is the breeding efforts of increased exponentially and people have done some fun nominal work. So when you when you get a plant today, you can't tell whether whether the the cola comes from a normal flower when it comes from a from a photoperiod. You just can't tell the THC counselor. 7% just like in the light just like in the bigger plants and so it really is quite remarkable. What's happened the breeding efforts. Wow, and it makes sense when you think about it. I mean, they only take seven to nine weeks so you can breed like crazy, you know, which which really is exciting because we need to be breeding backwards to get landrace type characteristics. We need to we need to get rid of some of the indica. Or the hash characteristics which have been bred into our car bigger cannabis plants and get back to you know, really having some real interesting cannabis plants and that's what's that's what's going on in this particular area. I totally know what you mean. They're Jeff and you know, I guess one of the the biggest cons of Auto flowers is that you cannot clone them now, I mean, what do you have to say about that? Well you you actually can clone them. But the question is why would you want to hmm? I mean you're getting a harvest in nine weeks, right? Wow, that's pretty amazing. You know, I think I think what people need to do is they need to take a look on the internet and take a look at some of the some of the available stock. So for example, and you know, I'm given names out. I think I hope it's okay. If you go to mephesto genetics.com sure. Okay. Yes, if Go to them either on their website or if you go to them on Instagram mephesto genetics that cam you will see plants that will just blow your mind half and the varieties are very very similar in many ways because they're bred from the bigger cousins. The this ATIV is in the indicus. And so, you know, you find a lot of them a lot of similarities in the names which indicates similarity in the you know in the effect so to speak but so it's really The incredible in Oregon there's a company called New Breed seeds. Well worth going to look at their website as well. They actually sell I think almost exclusively to commercial Growers. That's how good their stuff is. There's a phrase that's been coined called Super Auto flower plants. They're really the same thing. They are autoflowering. Nice. They just call them super water Philippines because they're pretty big they can be, you know, three three or four feet. And man, the yield on them is spectacular absolutely spectacular. So so of commercial people are using them you can believe them. This is a plant you want to have right me what Auto flower strains. Did you work with when writing your book and what strains would you recommend and why? Yeah. Well, you know, I don't even remember. I don't even remember the names of the ones I had I don't even think they had names like I got them from New Breed seeds. They were spectacular. But since then, of course, I've been accumulating a list of different places where you can buy this he's one of the things in the book will be in the last chapter is a list of of all the places at least of as of this writing that I think you can get them. So here's what I would I would suggest that people might want to do is they might want to go to a place called AF and I think it's AF autoflowering Network. Okay now the autoflowering network Has a terrific bunch of Growers who are fascinated by autoflowering and so they've got quite a lively group with a lot of great information on it. You will find almost all of the Breeders there. So there is a site that you definitely want to go to the mephesto. The festo site mephesto genetics is when you want. To take a look at in fact, you know, what you can just basically do is you can just type in autoflowering seeds and and they'll all pop up. Okay fair enough and I guess I think people will be completely blown away. I mean if you're if you're looking for something with high CBD, it's there you're looking for, you know Orange Orange Crush. It's there you're looking for something that tastes like grape. They got it and they got ya and actually I'm on the I'm on the website now. That is that Is auto flower dotnet good good, right, I believe that's I believe that's the site that you were talking about. Right? Right. Right, right. And and and what you can do there is you can track grows others it all sorts of advice. There's a section on lighting all of which of course is covered in the book. But but these guys are really pros at what they do. Now. The aim of the book again was was to get your mother involved in this stuff. You know, we I I am convinced. This is a plant that's going to be so exciting to people cannabis. The stigma is falling away as we all know people are you know growing it in their backyards? There's all sorts of books on the cake coffee table books about pretty flowers on this is going to be just a great little how-to thing for people to pick up and run with it because it's a very easy plant to grow. In fact, if you use too much fertilizer the plant doesn't grow well right now, so it's one of these things You can take your stuff whatever soil you've got around and you grow a couple of them and you figure it out. It's very it's and you can breed your own. It's just going to be a terrific new hobby Jeff. I mean would you say that auto flowers are they the future for home Growers? Yes, most definitely most definitely wise because again the size the lack of photo period you can grow them indoors and go Outdoors. If you're already growing regular size cannabis you grow these plants in between your other plants no matter whether you're in bed your flower State. It's you know, it's just going to I am convinced people are going to say wow. This is fabulous. I grow my own and grow different kinds just like a tomato. It is a tomato like plant and and where I come from in the general gardening world to have a new plant. Reduce it only happens once or twice in a lifetime. So I'm 70 years old in my lifetime. We've had snap peas sugar snap peas were introduced and they made a big difference people grew grew my crazy and still do this is going to be a similar kind of situation. This is a plant people are going to be able to buy the seeds. They're going to be able to go to Lowe's and to Value and Ace and pick up, you know packets of seeds are going to be able to go to their local Nursery by starts. You'll be able to run their supermarket when they go through there and they have all those flowers and you know, amaryllis plants and everything. They did not find during a couple of Seasons special all o flower plants Christmas ones Easter ones. It's it's going to be spectacular. I'm convinced. This is the future of guard of gardening. Not of cannabis really. Well. Well, what do you what do you mean by that? Exactly? Well, I mean that regular gardeners are going to grow this plant. A garden cause I write a garden column from your mother, you know right in the Anchorage Daily News, right? Yeah, and and and people are going to say, oh, I'll go that plant just like they say the same thing when I say why don't you try growing an heirloom tomato instead of an F1, you know, and I'm convinced it's going to be a plant that people going to have it going to grow it on their decks on their balconies in their condos Outdoors indoors. It's such an easy plant to grow and attractive too. Mmm, right. Yeah. No, I grew my first Auto flower plants. I germinated seed at the beginning of the year. I believe it was January 3rd and by I want to say I don't have my grill journal in front of me, but I want to say boy, I think by by like the end of March I was pretty much done. So yeah, you know, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they start flowering to nap two and a half three weeks right? Wow, exactly. So and And it was it was it I mean it was great. So, I mean, I don't have any I don't have any complaints and and and really in Jeffrey in an effort of full disclosure. Yeah. I am a I am a new or I guess relatively new home growing. I'm not I haven't been you know, I've only been around a plant say around like maybe like a few years now, but it's since since launching my podcast and releasing a show per week. I have only Taken growing. Seriously. So really in Earnest. I've I've been taking this, you know taking growing seriously for about maybe seven or eight. Yeah seven, maybe maybe eight months. So yeah, you know, it's it mean really I mean I've to to grow what I did in the in the time span that I did it was I mean, it was extremely simple very very easy. You know, so I mean, I I really do understand where you are coming from. Yeah, and I think people can get this plant and you can do as much on it as they want or as little as they want. So for example, you know, I tell people the first time you get one of these the first couple times you grow. Don't pinch it. Don't try to train it, you know, nothing just let it grow you plant it in the Apothic just going to spend its entire life in initially at least you don't fertilize I am I'm a big fan of the of the rezo fag is in to recede. He's mycorrhizal fungus. I think that's important. But but other than that, good light and the right temperature, you know something in the 75 to 80 86 degree area there and you know, that's it step away and let the plant do its thing. It's an auto flower Auto grower, right and and you know, Jeff I I emailed you really a bunch of growing questions. Frankly, I don't I don't know if we're going to get to to every single one of them, but you did bring up a couple of topics there about lighting and about feeding. I mean, so if you are growing Auto flowers at home, you know in in your opinion, you know what I mean? You know, how should you feed them? And what light cycle would you recommend sure that a grower should grow their should grow their plants in Right. Well as far as the light cycle is concerned as I sit in a growing any light cycle T. They flower based upon the genetics not based upon the light but as you and I know you want to have a good plant you have to give it adequate light. So it's got to have at least adequate light in the instance of how do you want to get the best plant? You possibly can I advise people 20 18 to 20 hours of light you could you could grow these things. 24-hour light, right? Yeah and many and many people do just because it's easier but but I like to give them a little bit of a rest because I think the plant does stuff in the resting period so 24 hours 20 18 to 24 hours is the way to go. All right fair enough. So that's that's the lighting now as far as feeding. As far as the feeding is concerned at least initially. I would just I would just back off and not feed it all and see how it's doing. It'll tell you when it needs food and you'll notice but but generally it really don't need to feed him. If you're using a good potting soil good compost fill potting soil, you know a good a good moving soil. You're not going to have a problem at all. Really and that's the key. Keith at me of course because I'm an organic grower and I've got three books on organic growing and then I am a proponent of the soil food web. These are plants you want to grow organically not chemically, right? You know, they got a short life. Let them live at the best they can right. Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, all right, so so don't so basically don't feel well, I mean feed your flowers, but but only do it when they you know, when they look like they need Need to be fed, pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I mean certainly the first three three weeks or so for weeks. Then I got the seeds got you know has provided them. A lot of in the soils got enough maybe when it starts to get into flour, you know, they might they made they may tend to look like they might need a little a little little help but probably not probably not. Well I tend to use is a real good compost mix and it's good got, you know, it's just good compost and I never need to fertilize. Let's delve deep a little bit there. I mean what type of compost mixed do you use? Well, we have a special special soil up here called Alaska Eunice. It's naturally made compost. It's you know, 10,000 years old thaws out every summer freezes every winter tremendous microbiology a sort of a gold standard for making compost tea. It's got the highest microbiology you'll find anywhere and so that's what I use. I mix that with some choir, you know. Sometimes I'll use a little perlite and that's the best sometimes I'll throw in a little sand and that's it. That's it. This is you know the rate and that what I would tell people again it particularly if I were saying that my mom listen, you know, go to the store and buy the best potting soil. You can't you just go and buy some some real good parties right. Now. What I would tell your listeners is go to a grocery store sure and ask them what they had. You know, what? Advice and Brian. Yeah, they've been they've been selling potting soil the auto flower Growers for a long long time. But any of the popular brands will do fine will do just fine again. Make sure it's organic. Exactly and and Jeff you you brought up a good topic there in terms of soil and I have a question here for you as as a soil guy. I have to ask you this question, right? It isn't is there a difference between soil for photo types and auto flowers? So I use the same soil myself. So I've never had any problems at all. So, you know, the only difference is when I grow my larger plants. I definitely had nutrients. Okay, right. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Now, you know again you want to make sure your soils good, you know, it has to have good drainage good soil structure. And that's of course what part of the living component puts into it. It's got its got to you know, it's It's got to be able to support the plant and that's that's what you want. So I have to tell you incidentally I also reuse my soil. I'm not one that goes my soil out each grow. Oh really? I reuse the soil and sometimes what I'll do is I'll just simply I'll cut the plant as I'm as I'm you know, harvesting at the base leave the root system in the soil. Hmm. Okay, and simply simply plant the new plant right in that soil The Roots. To grow along the existing, you know Pathways of the old roots the extra dates that you know that the old roots put out into the soil or still there blah blah blah. So it's all it's all very very good way to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah now at the same time you want to make sure that the containers the right size. You don't want it too big. You don't want it too small and because these things grow so fast, you don't want to ever have the root system, you know. Put into a situation where it's going to going to have to delay itself in terms of expanding. So that's what happens when a plant grows into a pot. It begins to touch the side walls. Then you transplant it transplanting. It tends to mess up the system a little bit and it takes, you know, three three to five to seven days for the plant to recover from the transplanting and start to grow again. So what you want to do is plant the plant in the original pot or the pot that you're going to grow in for. Entire life anywhere from about five for normals or no flowers 5 to 7 gallons. Okay. Alright, so, you know your pick witness Hardware bucket, you know kind of thing would be fine. Make sure it has adequate drainage and you're good to go. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know some I'm glad you I'm glad you said that because my my next question for you was can you or should you transplant your auto flowers? And I think you pretty much just Summed up that one so yeah, no no, no. No, we're okay. Alright, so I feel on that one right one more time. No, no exactly. Well, I mean I you know, I've read that if you do that you basically shock now correct me if I'm wrong, but you shocked the implant-- and it just and it's I mean since it has such a short life, it just cannot recover and you're pretty much screwed. Well, you know I hate to do math, but if you but if you do the math, you lose a week at a time. That's a chunk of that plant's life when they're only has you know, seven or nine weeks for aah now some of these players I keep saying seven to nine weeks some of these plants you you can buy seeds. Some of them will take 10 11 12 weeks, but but but again that information is all now available, you know, so the Breeders have taken the guesswork out of it the labels. It's just my mother's going to be well, unfortunately, My mother is no longer alive, but my mother would have been so thrilled to be able to just simply go to the store and read the back of the package tells you everything you need to know. Wow, you know, it's just terrific terrific terrific and you know now people are breathing in CBD because that's become so popular, you know, people are beating and CBG. It's just all sorts of stuff and I'm convinced that when the government finally gets off. Everybody's back in the research takes Off these are going to be the plants that people are going to use the standard for research purposes. They're that good really. Yeah, they're that good and and and again because you can greet them so quickly, you know, they're going to make mix so much so much difference in the in terms of what were able to do right? Well so so so for example, okay getting sorry. I'm sorry, but but but the New Breed seeds people, you know, they were initial plans had a terrible problem. For some reason the powdery mildew, right man. Oh man, you can breathe it out, but these and it doesn't take 12 years. And so they work like crazy and they're able to take plants and you know get get to where you want to be and it's happened. So so again, I say to the listeners that are skeptical don't be skeptical anymore. Give it a second try it's not this is not the old Auto flowers of the Of the you know, 2005-2010 is a completely different plant completely new Beast exactly. Right? Well as I like to say there's a new bud in town, right? Exactly. Yeah. There's a new button town did indeed. All right. Well, well Jeff, I'll tell you what. I mean. I have a few more questions for you. If you don't mind. I know, you know, you're busy guy. I don't want to take up, you know your entire day. No problem, but would you You say our I mean you said that you can grow Auto flowers indoors and out. But are they I mean in your opinion, what are they best suited for indoors or Outdoors is growing. You know, I can't really choose one of the other okay, but I will say this I love growing Outdoors. Hmm. We spend an awful lot of time as Growers trying to duplicate the conditions. Outdoors indoors so so you know, why are we doing? That's because going Outdoors is the natural way. And so I really like doing that second best would be growing in an unheated Greenhouse Outdoors, you know with natural light no supplemental light and the other kind of stuff. It's just make some terrific plants. But but this, you know, it's awfully fun of the middle of the winter to be able to open up the tent and take a look at your little babies as they grow right exactly. Lee, all right. I mean I'll tell you what in terms of yield we would you say that a sea of green is the is the Beth, excuse me is the best method for yielding. Well, you know, you know, it's hard to say because they the plants would be bred so much right in, you know, some of them just Branch naturally and it's just spectacular but but I would say in general. Yeah, it's pretty suuuuure pretty cool thing to do and it really makes me. Some terrific little coalesce. All right, huh, really some Beauties, uh, one of the one of the ones that new breed sees I keep seat and I think I have a picture of it in the book and then there's one from the festival there's one from the festival is just a cola for from from a plant that I tracked and I think it's 80 grams. Okay. That's a nice. That's a nice size Cola. It's you know, it's the size of a guy's hand twice. Nice, right. Yeah, that's a wow. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's pretty huge. I have to say that's yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep, and they're beautiful plants are just spectacular place. That's why I say, I think I think you're going to find you know, just like we find a Christmas you find these little miniature evergreen trees. We're going to find mediator, you know autoflowering cannabis plant soil that you're safe way. It's your Albertsons. You know what I mean? You know, it's just unfortunate. Today, we're going to find all these little special plants these it's coming the stigma is going to go away just like it has in in the places, you know like, Colorado Oregon going away in Alaska. It's going to go it's going to go. Yeah, the the the world or you know, America is changing its views on on cannabis and specifically Auto flowers well on cannabis in general and And then when people hear about all the flowers at that changes, well, I think people people are getting this story T. Where's there's no science to the idea that we Bandit. It was all Harry anslinger. What the heck what we thinking right? You know the American Medical Association was against it what happened, right anyway, and then Nixon comes in, you know with his little Shenanigans and you know, he wants to take care of the hippies in the blacks and he figures cannabis is the way to do it. Right, right. Yeah. We've all suffered as a result. I see what you mean there Jeff. Okay. Well, I mean, you know some and as my last as my last growing question should a home grower Not Top Auto flowers again depends on the plant. I would I would say the first one. No, you know first couple of grows. No. Oh God after after that, you know, you're so you sort of become an expert at it you can figure it out. But but this the seed company have a lot of information you will see pictures of what the ultimate plant will look like and you can get a good feel for that pinching is sort of you know topping is kind of fun. But once again when you're dealing with an auto flower, sometimes it can sort us they grow so fast, it can see it can set things off the wrong way. So so I would say the first couple of pants no, no, okay. Okay and really Jeff I mean I know at the beginning of this recording you said that you can clone Auto flowers now. Yeah, I uh, I know I have quite a bit of a listeners that say that you can't so yeah, if you could could you delve a little bit deeper there? If you don't mind. Well, a lot of the a lot of the newer ones that take longer periods to grow you can take a clone from so somehow my say take 12 weeks. Right now yes three months. And if you take a closer Leon you could do it. Now. The problem is they flowers will quickly write so, you know, you got to time it right, they'll start flowering three and a half two and a half three and a half week depends on the variety all of these things depend on the variety, but but but once again as a as a new grower, certainly the people that are going to pick up do it yourself autoflowering cannabis a new way to grow is you know, the You don't need to come you. Can you give you a perfect example and again, I keep making the comparison because it's the right one tomato plants. You can take a cutting from a tomato plant. Nobody ever does. Why would you they grow so quickly you get a seed? Yeah, there's no need to there's no need to exactly. Yeah, right. It's they're they're you know, they're so plentiful than why you know, why you No clone them, right? Well, it's not question to be so plentiful. It's just if you're growing clandestinely and you've got a you've got something that you bread, you know, and it takes nine months for the planter grow and it's taking you for years, you know to breed it, you know and all of a sudden you got a mother plant this where you wanted to be, you know, you're going to clone that plant you're going to have another nine months ago that clone blah blah blah right in this instance a you don't have the time B. You know, you're not you're not it is we're not we're out in the open now, you know, I mean, it's not the seeds they're available. You can buy the same seed year in and year out, you know, you can't that's why people clone, you know, they don't they don't clone because it's a great gardening Technic load because they've got problems keeping the keeping the plant alive not Going around giving it away, you know all sorts of different reasons, but you don't have those reasons with auto-fire. Sure. Okay. All right, Jeff and really I my my last question for you. And this is a question that I like to ask everybody that comes on the cheap home grow podcast, you know, are there other any questions that I should be asking and are there any final statements that you would like to make sir? Well boy, what up, what a softball depiction author. And well, I think the first question would be is there an advantage to bind a book before it comes out sure know and of course, I always tell people, you know, go to Amazon. Yep. Take a look at DIY autoflowering cannabis or just Google my name and the advantage in buying it ahead of time. Is that my publisher? Says hey, he's right. These are going to be the next tomato. We need to get him out speaking to more areas of the country. And that way I'll be able to come to who your listeners hometowns and be able to talk not just about overflowing cannabis but teeming with microbes and you know how to grow great plants organically. So that's the question. You should ask me. There you go. Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm not. Not you know Jeff. I'm not a a hard-hitting podcaster in terms of questions. I'm just you know, I'm just a I'm just a guy that likes to you know, that likes to do this for a fun sure, you know when it's fine. I know the feeling that I've been writing a garden calling for 44 years Nobody Does it for the money? Yeah. I know. It's just fun. It's fun. It's fun certainly is it's fun when you run into people that have heard the podcasts and I heard you and you know, Shane show bad about you know, so it's just fun. So I always Don't know myself and you can tell you can hardly shut me up now. Ya know Hey, listen, I you know, I like a guess that that loves that loves to a to a talk. I really do because you know, I mean, I'll be the first to admit in terms of cannabis in terms of well in terms of growing, you know, as I've said multiple times on my very own podcast. I am not the world's best, you know grower of cannabis. However, I first for some reason I tend to attract people that know a lot more about me in terms of growing and they and they want to come on my show so I'm like hey, alright, great. Come on my show I'll ask you some questions will have conversation and you know people on the you know on the opposite side same to you know, they they seem to really like, you know what I am doing so, you know, why not? You know, why not keep on On it your gut you got it there. That's what we did and hopefully your listeners will like what they hear. Hello cheap homegrown Nation. Thanks for listening to my podcast with the Jeff. You can check them out online at Jeff low in Fells.com. That's je FF l o wwen Fel s.com. And also on Instagram add Gardener Jeff. That's G VAR d e n ZR J. EF F. You can also visit cheap home. Road.com / episode 67 to get show highlights and you can purchase his latest book online called do-it-yourself autoflowering cannabis and easy way to grow your own. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember to press the Subscribe button and leave a review. I look forward to talking with you next Tuesday. I am reaching out to you to ask you really one question. And I want to know how am I doing as a podcaster? What topics do you want me to cover? Is there anything specific please reach out to me? Please? Get back to me. 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I have award-winning author and lecturer, Jeff Lowenfels. He's written many books in his past including his famous "teaming series" specifically "Teaming With Microbes," "Teaming With Nutrients," and "Teaming With Fungi." Today he comes on the show to talk about his new book called "DIY Autoflowering Cannabis: An Easy Way to Grow Your Own." During this podcast episode, Jeff brought up many important topics regarding autoflowers but the essential topic he brought up was his belief that auto-flowering cannabis will be the future for cannabis growers. Home and commercial growers alike. To say he feels autoflowers will be ubiquitous is a massive understatement. Also during this episode, Jeff debunked a lot of rumors that many photoperiod growers often assume about autoflowers including cloning. Now admittedly, Jeff is the most prominent guest to come on the CHG podcast. I was a bit nervous at first, but I calmed my nerves and Jeff and I have a great conversation. This podcast is filled with quality information about autoflowers and why you as a home grower should seriously consider growing autofowers. Please remember to press subscribe and enjoy the show!

Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 107 is brought to you by Agatha one of our newest patreon patrons and Elite four-member. Just kidding today Sergio and I are going to talk about the latest artwork for hakken. Imagine a world where Animal Crossing came out on the Wii U and and end the show with some predictions regarding an animal crossing direct so to begin. Hello Sergio. How are you doing? Hi, Chuy. I'm doing I'm doing great. It is now December. Like I said, we're closer and closer to more info New Horizons into the end of this year in this decade. Yeah. They're this is a big month. It is the final month. It's closing out a lot of things not only the Year this year, but also the decade you're totally right and So many really is we've got some fun ideas for the show the rest of this year. So we're hoping you all enjoy these but this one Sergio you came up with a really great one as far as like imagining a world with an animal crossing game on the Wii U that you know, because we never got one. There's not a single animal crossing game on the Wii U. Yeah, that's just a fact of life. But before we get too far, you also mentioned that it's December now, which means Means we have some new haken artwork to show off. And if you're watching this on YouTube If you clicked on this on your podcast app of choice, you probably noticed it except I did hear some people's have not been updating lately. It's strange. I don't know why that is an issue. I kind of had it myself. But you know, you can check out this art on the YouTube If you haven't seen it on the podcast or you know your podcast platforms, but this one was by Morgan. O'Brien and this piece is mostly his idea his creation that he thought of and he actually approached me. He's a listener of the show and this was a while ago to but he approached me and he's mentioned that he did Art and I do check out everybody's art when they do mention it and if I haven't gotten back to you recently it's because I've been very busy talking with with the artist that I'd already been talking with to do the final pieces for this calendar. So I apologize for that but I will get back to you eventually. So anyways, so this piece was a lot of his ideas came into this one. I only I simply provided a couple characters which you'll see Carrie right up front the kangaroo. I've always really liked her and then Claude in the back there. He's got kind of a Charlie Brown curl and I thought perfect they both have birth. Days in December as well. So I thought they would capture that. But as far as the villagers are no one specific there's a female villager in the back pushing a snowball and this villager in the Frontier Mail villager giving a present to carry and then up in a blimp or air balloon EC jingle, of course delivering presents to all the good little boys and girls of Animal Crossing. But yeah, this was all his idea. I've actually Lee got some notes from him, but before I get to those Sergio, what are you thinking about this piece? How do you feel? Oh, it's so good. Like, you know, you captures winter. It captures Christmas the holiday spirit in the holiday days and just it's really nice. It's very unlikely reminds me of winter in Animal Crossing. This is all there is and this is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I really I love okay. There's one thing that I'm going to need in this new game, but the path It goes like toward that house. I love that. It's like kind of snow-covered. There's a nice little berm that's created to show that like people have worn down through the snow a bit to create a path to walk through and I need that I need to be able to do that in my Animal Crossing game. Like maybe we get big blizzards or something and then you're pushing through the snow and creating little path. So right I would love that. But yeah, it definitely captures that so here are some Some notes from Morgan and what he had to say about this piece and this is from him. So he said really had so much fun with this. Kerry was an inspired choice and the Heart of the piece. I feel a couple of extra details of included are below the snowmen represent family. The girl in the background is starting the final one Claude is approaching her with a cup of hot chocolate. The light of the house is on to represent all are welcome. The boy in the foreground features a darker skin. In tone, which I'm delighted to see is making its debut in Animal Crossing New Horizons. He's presenting a gift to carry these little Joey a reminder of The Wonder of Christmas for kids and the importance of keeping it a season of giving he has a backpack and he's traveling from afar for the holidays. It's kind of a mixture of elements from all the Animal Crossing games. Not one in particular. Hope you like it as much as I do and that it captures the sense of magic and wonder you were hoping for warm wishes send my best to Sergio and Jackie. So of course he says hello, Jaime. Yeah, I'm here. Oh, it's so good and so many good points that you might Overlook but it's so perfect it ties it all together. Yeah. Yeah, and I really love it. I love that the like every little detail has some sort of meaning but behind it, you know, and it just shows like how much of an effect or how much like Animal Crossing Really feel like life in that sense, you know because I'm excited to just be able to like mail letters to my villagers with presents and them and see if they put it in their house, you know. Yeah, so I think it's really cool. I really like and I really love the mention of like being able to choose our skin tones. That's something that's really important to me. I always like making mine a little bit darker, you know, and just to match me a little more than previous Animal Crossing avatars have matched me in. The past you know, yeah, so yeah. I really I really appreciate that. And yeah overall, it's really magical. I love the sunset in the back. It's got my favorite tree the cedar trees. That's always good. Yeah. Yeah, and and also, you know, I will say I don't talk about this too much but the holly bushes are some of my favorites too and you can see one on the left right in front of the snow people there. So it's a it's really nice to see them like Capturing everything that winter feels like an animal crossing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah it because you know, it does unfortunately in some games start to look a little bit Bland and everything, but I'm like with the lighting and all of the new HD assets of hap of New Horizons. It's going to be a beautiful season to play Animal Crossing. And yes, and I hope that like the piece the art Beach Shows there's going to be still some grass in your town and it's not all going to be covered by snow if they do that, which I really hope they do that's going to look even better. Yeah, that would be really great to like, you know, it would just show that you're like wearing through the the snow and then getting a little bit of grass to peek out underneath, you know, yeah, that's cool. So, yeah, like I said everybody this piece was by Morgan O'Brien they've done some great work. You can find them on Twitter at Morgan O'Brien art And on Instagram also Morgan O'Brien art and I'll have links in the description so you can follow them. I followed them and you can see his cute little family and I kept this one personal because he did like send me some great emails. I really loved talking with the guy but you know, he'd give me updates on his family. Let me know what they were up to and you know, his kids are playing Animal Crossing two and this just like that's the dream right thing having a family Of Animal Crossing players. I know I know some of our listeners are parents and everything and I really appreciate that. They're as excited to show the game to their kids as they are to play it. You know, it's yeah, it's a huge deal and just to like have some other way to connect with your family and you know, like it gives them a bit of freedom to do their thing. But at the same time like you live in the same town, it's kind of its kind of a lot of families end up. Being you know, yeah, they live near each other they come and visit and hang out and meanwhile, you get your own place to do whatever you want. So yeah, I really appreciated my emails with them. And yeah, I hope you all check out his artwork. It's really great. He I just retweeted one with a cake a slider kind of peace that he did and I was hoping you would see it Sergio. I retweeted it earlier today, but you might have been busy and ask. Or bunny one actually, so I retweeted both of those for you Sergio because you love score bunny love cake a flatter. Those are your like number two and one for you right now. I was like, which order did I say that Evan KK's always number one. I know that square when he's probably your number two, right? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah Morgan O'Brien aren't check them out on Twitter Instagram. I think he has a website to Morgan and Morgan O'Brien art.com. Yeah, so He's really nice person really makes Incredible stuff. So I want you all to enjoy what he's putting out there. Nice. Alright everybody. So we're going to move into our main topics for the podcast. And this first one is going to be pretty fun Sergio and I are going to imagine a world with Animal Crossing on the Wii U, which once again has never happened. There is no Animal Crossing on the Wii U as you all know not a distant the Sergio I tell me about this idea because you definitely came out it came up with it. Well in the way I did but I was inspired by your latest video where you covered everything that happened in this decade in terms of Animal Crossing and you know, it kind of made me realize I mean, they're really what if there had been an animal crossing Mainline game for the Wii U instead of just amiibo Festival, which does not exist. A convention. I mean it's a thing but it doesn't exist at the same time, which is pretty interesting. So it got me thinking what if there had been an Animal Crossing on the Wii U. I'm a nine-game. Why did would have been what it should have been in if you want me to I can start on what I think it could have been. Yeah. Yeah, definitely go for it. So I feel like if there had been a main line Animal Crossing game on the Wii U. It probably would have come out around 2016 which would have been. Been three years for since the release of new leaf on the 3DS in North America and in Europe, I feel like that's a good sort of middle ground for it and honestly all things considered I think it wouldn't have been like a brand new Animal Crossing game. We probably would have been like an expansion to New Leaf something like a new Leaf Plus. In fact, I feel like the features that we got in the welcome amiibo update. They would have been part of this new Leaf. Plus in the 3DS are nearly wouldn't have gotten those features. They would have saved them for the Wii U game. I feel like it would have been nice to expect, you know, HD graphics. It probably would have been 60 frames per second. They could have maybe added two more villagers in your town. So you could have had up to 12. Maybe the ten would be a little bit bigger not too much, but maybe at least a little bit at least two to add room for those two additional villagers, you know. And as well as faster loading times in a better more stable online connection because I feel like those are some issues that new Leaf had a little bit they were in game Breakers, but people did have those issues when they played the multiplayer. I feel like that we you would have fixed that. Yeah, and I also want to say like the Wii U also had kind of USB port so you could connect through a wired connection to so I guess I mean, it's not At the most necessary thing with Animal Crossing, but when it gets to the point when you're getting that little resetti screen, yeah where you've been disconnected. It's a bummer it kind of cuts the whole thing off especially because like getting to getting four people into your town you have to go through this animation three times and it's definitely like a loading screen that's hiding, you know. Yeah, but it's still like you have to do every single one. One of them individually and then once you finally have your four people off and you play for like 30 seconds and it cuts off that's when you're just like annoyed at the at the amount of time. It takes to play online, you know? Yeah it once everything is going well and everyone is in town. You're going to be too busy playing or chatting with each other to save and when you get the mr. Resetti in everyone lost their progress or whatever items they borrowed or Or God or bought it's all over it's gone. It's back to normal and it's a bummer. Like I said, yeah, you're totally right because I remember playing with a friend who's been on the show before Connor. He was on episode 3, but Connor he came over to my town and we were just swapping some items. Right and I think he came over about three times and we got disconnected three times after swapping items. And then as soon as we swapped on that like fourth one, we should have done this sooner. But as soon as we swapped eyes I saved and then I was like, all right, we're good we can explore and we'll still have what we were trading, you know? Yeah. Yeah, so it's a it's inconvenient and I'm hoping they do fix that for sure. Oh, yeah. I feel like they willing if there had been a main line game on the Wii U. I feel like that would have been you know, not something they would they would talk about because they don't wanna mention that the issues that new Leaf had what it would have been fixed for sure. Far as happy home designer. I feel like it would have still come out on the 3DS and it would have been a separate game, you know, the first spin-off to the series and the features that they added in happy home designer, especially for item placement using the touch screen and everything. That would have been done on the Wii U gamepad. Even the menus. It would have all been on the GamePad which would have been very nice to see I think I also feel like I'm evil Festival would have been just a minigame in this new Leaf. Plus if you will and since it's a plus to an existing game, I feel like Nintendo probably would have put the game out at $40 in the equivalent around the world instead of I don't think it would have been a full price game even though we would have gladly paid for all that. Yeah immediately. Okay. Okay. I mean 60 is already a low price compared to what I probably would they ask for it, you know? Yeah. Okay. So one thing I really like You mentioned here is kind of what was it about happy home designer still coming out on the 3DS. I and what will get to my timeline of how these events will play out. But I really wonder I guess my question is like would we have gotten as many spin-off titles as we did if Nintendo just opted to create a met another man. Online game versus like going the direction they have gone, you know because like you said this was based on my video that I made and just like looking back at the decade. I was like man like we didn't get too many like Mainline Animal Crossing games and by that we didn't even get to we got one. Yeah, you know and so like it's a very interesting time line where this game is moving away not not away from Mainland games, but more toward also, Putting out spin-off titles like because you know, we have games like Pokemon and Mario who like they put out spin-off titles so much of the year so many years are dedicated to them. Like if we think of the switch even now and think of all the Mario games that are on there. We've got Mario Kart, we've got Mario Tennis, we've got Mario Party. We've got Mario Odyssey, like there are so many Mario games on there and one of them is like a new New main line game so yeah what and I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it would still be cool to see spin-off. So I do like that your time line includes that happy home designer still a thing. It's good. Yeah, but I feel like you know the timing and you Animal Crossing gaming 2016 would have been really nice a lot of us got enough of new Leaf in about the two-year Mark so around 2015 and I feel like we would have been really nice to have So refresh your experience in 2016, like another town reason to start over if you will with a couple of new features, maybe I don't think they would have added too many. I think happy home designer would have come out in amiibo Festival wouldn't have it would have been part of this newly plus but also the timing would have work really nice for pocket Camp, which would have come out in 2017 like you did like getting a new Animal Crossing game a year before the mobile game. I think that would have worked if they could have tied them. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a good direction to go. So, what are you thinking like still happy home designer 2015 followed by whatever Animal Crossing. We you would be called and then pocket Camp. Yes. So an animal crossing game every year that when I mean, I really really nice. I mean I'm down I just sure go for it. Give me more Animal Crossing like and you know, I I mentioned in the video to like it just didn't feel Like to fans at least that it was time for spin-offs. It felt like it was time for HD animal cross. Yes, you know exactly and that was the battle there, but I'm like, yeah, but once New Horizons is out, like don't give up on the spin-offs like still give me that. Yeah, because I do really want to have like a constant feed now because you know Animal Crossing is like you play it for years like you can play it for years its intended to be played for a long period of time so a game like this That it doesn't need to come out every year. So when we do see it come out as spin-offs it just you know, it gives the true not true. I'd say but like really DieHard obsessed fans like us just more content to consume which is which is great. Yeah. Yeah, and I want to see them like play around with everything like, you know as much as I hate as amiibo Festival gets and as much as we joke that there was no Animal Crossing game on the Wii You I still think the idea of an Animal Crossing party game is great. Yes. I want that. I wish we had it, you know. Yeah, I Gotta Throw a little jab in there too and like on paper. It sounds more feasible to me to hit to have a party game based on Animal Crossing then Mario party. I mean Mario party has established now, but if you ask me which one made more sense to begin with I would have picked Animal Crossing. Yeah. Yeah like Mario party is very strange concept. Yeah, it goes from like I don't even know what the progression is, but we got Mario 64 totally changed the face of gaming, you know, this is a 3D platformer never been done before and then they're like, you know what let's make a party game and we're gonna be on a board game thing looking map and move her out. Yeah. It just it came out of nowhere. Yeah, and I'm glad I did because I love them and they're like they're crazy. You know, they do what they need to do. Yeah, so animal crossing the like it's very it's very slice-of-life type of game, you know, where you can do anything if you find yourself just in your home and some friends are over. Sometimes you just start playing a board game. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, it makes sense and I definitely agree with you there. Cool. So is that your timeline? Should I go through mine? Yes. Yes. That's what I would have expected in wish it had happened. But let's see what you have. Okay, so mine I get specific and and I definitely go a lot of the same directions you do. So this is my different world where we would have gotten in Animal Crossing on the Wii U also known as Animal Crossing coming home. It would have come out. Yes. I'm sticking to this coming home. I don't because I think it's still a really good title and Nintendo go ahead take it out of here. It's free free of use you go for it. Just give me credit side. Oh, man, if I showed up during the cake a slider playing song You Know My Name in the dreams right there? Okay, I'm getting sidetracked. This is what I do when I imagine things. Okay. So Animal Crossing coming home, it would have come out holiday 2015. And I say that specifically because we had this big E3 2015 presentation where we all expected Animal Crossing news. Everybody was talking about it. Pretty even people who didn't play the game more like, oh, yeah. It's time for Animal Crossing to come out on the Wii U. It's been a couple years since the 3DS game and everybody was thinking about it. And so going into that we did get Animal Crossing you if this there was happy home designer and amiibo Festival in my timeline. It's Animal Crossing coming home and they announced that its holiday 2015 that year and this would be similar to I guess city Folk was kind of the same way where it came out shortly after wild world and it was mostly because you know, it's a very similar game to Wild World. And yes, so naturally this Wii U game would have been a similar game to New Leaf too kind of following that Trend, but you know, it just meant it was a faster release. But it would of course be HD which is you know, kind of the big thing. We've been waiting for with a serious thing. So outside of that though, they would change the mode of transportation and I in my timeline I'm actually going to say there's no happy home designer. There's no amiibo festival and there is this idea of a mobile game and they want it to connect so with that in mind although As ideas, they had four happy home designer all those ideas. They had four out amiibo Festival. They're all getting put into this game and even some of the pocket Camp ones. So the transportation is changed. We are now traveling in campers to match kind of the pocket Camp aesthetic because one is going to be your home console game and the other is going to be like this is where you go when you want to get away. Okay? Okay. So outside of that I didn't like flesh that out. Too much more but outside of that there would be the happy home designer decorating and even a job aspect to it. So they're going to add half increments rug ceiling items and yards for example, and and they're still gonna because happy home designer introduced Lodi. They're going to introduce Lodi and she's going to actually work beside Knox homes, and she's gonna hire you to design shops for new shop. Owners or owners who are upgrading their shops. So you get to at least do some things for the layout of those shops right as they're getting made. So that's my little tie in there. That was their idea. Amiibo cards would get introduced amiibo figures as well. So this is where it kind of the welcome amiibo style campers come in. We'd still get a campsite. I don't think they they that it's just going to be Harvey. King there, I think it would also be Carlo better pay and Giovanni. Yes, so we gotta get our little crow villagers there. Yeah. So the other thing that is different is with the amiibo cards and figures every single character has a camper so one of the biggest disappointments I guess because you know, it was a free update. So it's hard to be disappointed in the mm amiibo update but the disappointment that I did have was that the campers were restricted to amiibo figures that were compatible and the welcome amiibo cards in this one all of the cards bring a camper so nice nice. Yeah, everybody gets a cool space and this also makes up for the fact that there isn't an amiibo figure for every special character. So if you get their card, you can still scan them in Celeste. Will show up? Well, I guess Celeste has a figure so that's not a good example Luna who runs the dream sweet. She'll show up. She'll have her own camper. And you know, you can buy a special items from it, you know? Yes. Yeah and then beyond that they would also take ideas that they had for amiibo Festival. So welcome new tortimer island where you can go and play games including this brand new board game mode. And there's a desert island Escape because you know, you're going to an island. There's got to be like a challenging Island that you have to escape from there. And then there's also some other amiibo Festival games if you played it, you know, there's some random ones including like a trivia mode. Yeah that and all of this is of course going to have online multiplayer so you can play all nice everything with other people on the internet all over the world. Yes. Yes. And then from there they they're going to add some other small things like additional Public Works projects. And here's the one that's going to be. I feel like it's going to be an idea that they implement but it's not fully fleshed out for them yet, but it is outdoor decorating and it's going to have some weird limits that are annoying and mostly the limit is that it's going to be confined to yards. So you're going to walk around your town. You're going to see a villager and you're gonna be able to like decorate the yard and this will be tied in with kind of the Lodi thing where she can hire you to design shops and stuff. She's gonna hire you to design yards. So you can't freely do it. You can only do like probably one a day. And so that way they, you know, slow you down. Yeah and in the way, it's Animal Crossing slows you down and then yeah, essentially you're not going to be able to put items everywhere but everybody's going to be like after getting a taste of that I can be like Come on, let me put an item here, you know, so so yeah, that's basically my timeline it's gonna essentially eat all of those ideas from happy home designer and amiibo Festival combine those and then also like have some foresight to think of how to connect it with pocket camp in some way which is like the camper type of ideas. So yeah travel around and campers still decorate them, you know, yeah. So that would have been my Animal Crossing coming home time line. What do you think? It's awesome. I mean, especially if it was holiday 2015 when a lot of people just were what were wanting more Animal Crossing something a little bit different. I feel like this is more than what people would have expected like like you said when this game would have gone in announced people would have said all this is the city Folk of new Leaf, but the way you designed it. It is much more. It would have been awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I think if they're gonna up the game like they already have so many things made like you might as well they'll use those next two years of development on all brand new stuff, you know. Yeah, I'm sure and this is something I didn't mention but I also had the idea of like like and wild world where you could move your wild world Town into your city Folk game. Oh, yeah. I think that would have probably had Had a thing, I would have started fresh, of course because I always got to start a new Animal Crossing game fresh from the very beginning so but yeah, like I think at least my thought with like making a new game that's very based on the previous one. I think for me I would have hoped that they would focus on really adding to what was there and you know, this is also their chance to fix a lot of things that they're like, oh, you know, that wasn't as great in that And we can make it better. Yeah. So yeah, like the island games. I think they were really fun. But you know if they really wanted to up it I think they would so yeah. Yeah, that's basically what I could think of I think there's a there's a lot of fun stuff that you can do with animal crossing. Of course, all of these ideas are just make-believe and that's unfortunately never the timeline. We're gonna live in at this point. Yeah, but we do We do have a great time line coming up. So let's go ahead and move into our next topic, which is Nintendo Direct predictions and specifically Animal Crossing direct predictions. So Sergio, I you know, you have been predicting that this upcoming week. I guess we're recording this Sunday. So Wednesday, yes, and tomorrow for all of you listening Tuesday, but you have been predicting a direct for Animal Crossing. And every week I needed I need to do this I'm checking in. Is this still happening? Is is this the thing as far as right now? Yes. So tomorrow which is Wednesday December 4 and 9 a.m. Pacific. I'm hoping it's already been announced by Nintendo so that it is official in not just a rumor. Let us know I guess if you can from the future. Yeah. Yeah, please just leave a comment. You have the power. Power. Yeah, so, okay. So you're still locked in December 4th, right? Yes, nine a m-- Pacific. That's when it's happening. You heard it here first unless they already announced it. Then you heard it there. Oh, yes. Yeah. So anyways, let's go ahead and go through some of our own predictions for this and yeah Sergio. I want to I'm really interested in what you have to say here. Okay. Well I feel Like you don't intend to always likes to really focus on how the game is going to start they did that we nearly as well. So I think we have seen enough of how our Island Experience is going to begin. But I feel like meeting the still going to recap, you know that you're in a new island in your with two villagers and you get to pick where they live at first. So they're going to repeat a little bit of that, but maybe we're going to see a few new things that are going to happen in the beginning of this new experience. Ants, but after that I am hoping that we see a lot of new things whenever they show Animal Crossing or not direct which could be December could be anytime before March. So whenever that happens, I feel like a big focus of the direct or the segment of the direct is going to be showing the special characters that we already know characters like a slider Isabel kicks the Able Sisters OR Leaf like the most popular ones that people want to see come back I can they're going to How they're coming back how their shops are going to work or if they are different. How's it going to be different? They're just going to highlight those characters at the same time. I feel like it's the perfect time to show. I was thinking at least one, but now I'm thinking at least two new brand new special characters and their shops or their amenities whatever new features are bringing to Animal Crossing. I think this is the best time to show it so at least two and Maybe just too but that's I think that's that's more than enough of new features new special characters. I'll be great and like you have mentioned before Nintendo did say they're still going to show us more details on the multiplayer and I think like they have to keep up with that word. So whenever they show a direct I feel like they're gonna focus a little bit on that especially the eighth player multiplayer in hopefully, there are many games to go along with that. Yes. I want minigame. So Bad, okay. I love these predictions. I think you're totally spot-on with like what they're entering with, you know, like kind of showing that start of the game. So I guess just so I also tell about mine but and I guess I'm skipping some but as far as like the direct goes, I think it's definitely going to cover arriving on your Island, especially because like we know nothing about dodo Airlines. He's and right all we've really seen is the exterior the name and we don't know what it means. So I think showing that kind of intro stuff capturing a bit of Dodo Airlines and showing that to the players. I think that is definitely something they'll do and you know, because there's always like a bit of recap with these directs. Yeah, because you can't just assume that everybody has seen every single thing so far so some people But maybe this next direct is the first time they're tuning in to hear anything about Animal Crossing. So yeah, everything we already know like this isn't still news to them. This is still something that they'll no need to know. So long story short. I just feel like Nintendo would repeat a lot of things. So yes, that's right. Yeah. I think you're spot on there. I'm really I'm also hoping that they confirm like how many villagers will be on your Island? Cuz you did mention like, you know, we start with two villagers, which is the lowest amount of villagers we've ever started with I think I want to say wild world was 3, right? Yeah. So to is bare-bones Village right here, you are more the third villager essentially. Yeah and in the beginning of this thing, so I feel like it's almost capturing like here is what this town looks like before you actually get there but surprised you're here. Yeah. Yeah, so I like that too. I think for sure. Let's see you expect that whenever we see New Horizons again, they're going to show off some special characters. And yeah, I expect it to I think like yeah every one of these I'm just like yes, they've got to show us this in like you mentioned. I feel that dodo bird of the airline's that's going to be one of them for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think because your next one Is just like at least one new special character and maybe to you know, yeah. Yeah, one of them has got to be whoever this dodo Airlines person is yes. I mean like it could always be Porter. It could always just be Porter and the name of the airline says just dodo Airlines, but I would not put it past Nintendo to be like, let's bring dodos back like they're extinct now, but you know, like if we're gonna have a magical place where villagers little Most can talk to you and everything might as well bring some species back and have them make an appearance, you know? Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know I think yours are probably spot on I'd say as far as all the predictions go. Yeah and mine mine are too specific. So they're going to be wrong or at least most of them if I could you never know I could get lucky but really I think as far as predictions. Go Sergio, you're the one to listen to hear. You got the name right already. There's some other stuff you got right, but I think you've got a good track record for guessing this stuff. Hopefully he doesn't end tomorrow. Oh, right, right, you know, this is no man. I want that so bad. Alright, so my predictions here we go, January 15th 2020 is going to be General direct that outlines the year for Nintendo and I say the specifically because I've complained about how they've handled directs kind of the last couple years where I thought January 2017 was awesome. I thought what they did with like finally revealing the switch console finally talking about what it's doing what games are coming. I thought that was great and they essentially like Gave us what to expect during the year and then threw in surprises during it, you know, yes, so I really like that aspect of them. I want them to continue that but you know, there are things that I think would of course be included with this. There's Animal Crossing. There's the Xenoblade Chronicles kind of remaster that they're doing there's you know, there's the possibility of Metroid and I guess Bayonetta 3, you know, so there's existing things that we know about. Oh, I almost forgot Zelda breath away. Too of course. Oh, yeah. So yeah, there's like existing things that we know about. We don't know when they're coming except for Animal Crossing. That's the only one with a date. So there's stuff that I think would show up and then, you know, there's some surprises they could throw in but even like through out the year, there's still some more surprises I can do but I want January 15th 2020 to be that kind of outline to the year for Nintendo. And then of course they're going to show us Animal Crossing and promised a I hated Direct in February and this February direct will take place on February 20th. That's exactly one month before New Horizons. It'll be at 6 p.m. Pacific 9 p.m. Eastern why you ask well, it's because it's 11 a.m. In Japan and Animal Crossing is huge for Japan. They're going to need to know about it during the day, you know, but, you know, like early in the Winning would also work because they'd be at nighttime and at home and available to watch it. So yeah, I could be wrong on that one, but that's my guest right now and I'm being specific just to be specific. So here's what the direct will cover Animal Crossing dedicated direct. You're just like yours. It's going to cover the kind of beginning stuff riving on your Island. It's going to show off to a Dodo Airlines and kind of starting out your Island and then they're going to Focus more outside of like the crafting and stuff. They're going to start focusing on growing your Island and some of the things are going to talk about are the crafting bench has like thus far we've seen crafting benches in other places, but we the only ones we've really seen used are the ones inside of me looks shocked, you know. Hmm, so they're going to go more in depth with crafting benches and really like the process of crafting rather than actually collecting things and making Stuff, you know, they're going to show off some new crafts like new recipes that we can get to they're going to show up decorating some more and then from there they're going to get into some new stuff like shops. And of course expanding your town eventually, you'll be able to pay Tom Nook to bring over some dirt from another place and make your Island even bigger. Nice. It'll take a week to make this expansion. It's going to be a long-term. Something and you know because it's got to be a long-term game. So if you're gonna upgrade your Island, it's got a you got to put some muscle into it and then outside of that. I think there will also be some multiplayer stuff because you know, you mentioned it before they promised that they're going to go over multiplayer, but I think they're going to go more in depth than we expect. I think they're going to cover same console multiplayer because it's the brand-new Thing like being able to play on one console with everybody. That's cool. So it's going to talk about living with eight people on your Island, you know having eight different homes on your Island. I imagine some of them are going to offer I guess options where your you can choose to have your own place or move in with somebody. Okay. So that's prediction. Probably wrong. Nice. I would like that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Would be really cool. I'd be like it changing it up in some way. You know, the other thing is that they're going to show of course the four player on the same console and show a bit of the mechanics like swapping through items kind of just like more mechanical things that we don't understand, you know, then from there. They're going to go into online play or you know playing with the different console, even if it's still local and there it's going Show off like the dodo airlines traveling features, like actually going somewhere using dodo Airlines and then they're going to go in depth on what you can do in the town's showcasing like the games that you can play with eight players, even you know, yeah, and then finally the big finale to this whole direct is the reveal of an Animal Crossing themed switch and switch light model. Oh, those are my predictions. Dictions for the Animal Crossing direct I hope you all enjoyed the show. I know I did but yeah, what do you what do you think of these? All of these are great. I do like how you went specific you win a little more out there and I kind of want to hold you to a bunch of these. Yeah, I would definitely hold me to it. Do you have any ideas? I'm guessing the switch model. They're going to be they're going to look the same but they're just going to be different like the regular switch and switch light. I think they're going to be a little different actually because the joy con models that we've gotten so far. It's never it's very rarely that we get a joy con model where it's one color, you know, I actually walked into Best Buy the other day and I got the Splatoon joique on the pink and green. But I did notice they had just a green option there. Yes, and I was like wait they made it just a green option. That's crazy. So I didn't know that was a thing. But yeah, I don't know. I guess I feel like we're gonna get two different Joy cons. And for some reason my brain is leaning Timmy and Tommy on like one being to me one being Tommy or one being Tom Nook and the other being like Timmy and Tommy. But you know like they have kind of what's the word for it there their patterns on their shirts are reversed. I guess like the colors are reversed. Oh, you know, I could see it being that you know the joint Khan. Yes, Mmm Yeah. So ones like Tom Knox shirt pattern and the other is Timmy and Tommy is shirt pattern right where the colors are just swapped in a slight way. Yeah, so that's my guess for like that because I think the joy Icon are going to be different whereas the switch light design will probably be just like one full design, but I could even see them doing like two different designs for the switch light. Ouch my wallet. Yeah, I just see little flies little dust pooping out of it right now. But yeah, I guess what are you thinking with that? That sounds really good. I feel like if they do. Something it's going to be if you know if it's for the switch in the streets light is probably going to be the same design. So a whole pattern on the switch light and then you just get the same pattern for the joy Con on the regular switch. I would be good with that. It would be home and that would be very enticing together switch light if it's very nice looking animal crossing themed. That's that's very tempting. Yeah. Just wait for the cake a slider one all I want them I was Really disappointed with the new 3DS XL because it didn't have the changing face plates. Like if they made a changing back plate model of the switch. That would be the go to one and I feel like it's possible with the switch light, you know like to make that for the switch light and just be able to make it your own design whenever you want. I would be obsessed with getting yeah every single animal crossing pattern out there. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I'm really I I don't know. I think I'm confident. I'd say 95% confident that there will be a Nintendo Direct and the 5% unconfident is just like we've been disappointed before by Nintendo and so I can't help but think that they can always disappoint us again. You know, there's plenty of room for disappointment. Yeah in part of why I would agree with you on that is because I really really expected a Luigi's Mansion Centric direct and there never was one. The game is great the game came out. It sold really well, but I'm still surprised. We didn't get like a specific regions Mansion direct so I can see that I can see that same thing happening to Animal Crossing but I feel I feel I'm with you like it's a very much. A possibility. Yeah, and I almost wonder if that was like situational because like June the summer like there was so much dedicated to showing off Luigi's Mansion three, you know, and maybe they just considered like we put a lot of work into this live coverage here at E3. Let's take a little break. Let's just let people anticipate this game, you know, because it felt like a direct light year this past year. Here, it just felt like there wasn't too much that Nintendo was trying to push you know, so so yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happened this year. It feels like we just got less directs in general, especially like General directs, you know, so I and that's why I just really want the next year 2020 to be different where January is like here's the setup and then we're going to have directs throughout the year. With little surprises, but we're going to go more in depth with what you already know, you know? Yeah because I want to go in depth with Animal Crossing. I really want to so I would I would I think regardless I'm 95% confidence still that there will be an animal crossing direct with, you know, Reasonable Doubt. Yeah, but I would really like that approach of showing here's what's coming this year. We will keep you posted on each game and there will be a few surprises. That's that just makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, and I feel like it just keeps people excited about the the I guess the schedule, you know, yeah it because Nintendo does this amazing thing where they made some consoles that garnered very little support from third parties, very little support for Indie Games, you know, and so it turned them into this machine. And that can just pump out games so much faster than other places and my my example of this is always PlayStation. Yes, the quality of PlayStation games that do come out are very good. They're very high a lot of people think so at least you know, but like they come out every three years or so. It takes a long time for their games to come out. Whereas like this past year you May complain about how many Nintendo games came out but let's take a look at it. There was new Super Mario Brothers Deluxe which you know arguably a port not as hard but even then there was Yoshi. There was Super Mario maker to Fire Emblem astral chain Damon ex machina Zelda ring fit Adventure Luigi's Mansion three Pokémon sword. Like I stopped counting. There were just so many games that came out in a single year from Nintendo and that's what every single year looks like for them. Yeah. It's hard to keep up with so it's a special thing that they were forced to do that and it's not an easy thing to do. So, yeah, I am amazed. We're going to have a big year this upcoming year. There's you know, there's still a lot of big games that we know about Animal Crossing of course has a release date. So I'm already happy with next year. Yeah regardless of what happens, you know, yeah. Yeah, so we've got the game that we've been waiting for and I just want to see it and celebrate it and enjoy it and there's not I don't think there's much that's going to get in the way of that. No. Yeah, we have our game of the year already, you know by March. We already know which one it's going to be. It's no question. Yeah, you don't even watch our game of the year videos next year because you already know what it is. You could watch it this year. Yeah. So I'm excited. Let's go ahead and move into our final segment of the show. And that is our Hagen's Islander corner. For those of you who don't know every week. We ask our patrons a question and read their answers out loud here. This week's question was what is one thing you want to know about New Horizon. So, of course, we're predicting our directs here Sergio and out of all the things we predicted in everything like what is The one thing that Nintendo that you want them to tell you about this game. The one thing I want to know the most is about Island expansion. Is there a way to do it? How big does it get or is this it and if this is it, how is the hardest jobs going to be laid out? That's what I'm the most curious about. Yeah. I completely understand that. I'd say I'm the similar to you with that, but I'll pick something different just so we can get to and For both of us. I'm gonna say the one thing I really want to know about. This is a tough one because I want I want to know a lot about a lot of things. So it's hard to pick. Oh man. I'm just kidding. You all are gonna hate me for this one. I want to know about growing trees. I was gonna kiss this. Yeah. I know I can't help it. But I need to make sure that my place has nice little cedar trees around my house. You know what I need so I want to know about growing trees and I guess if I wanted to know I'm sticking with that drawing trees. Tell me about it Nintendo. I gotta know. So let's go ahead and go through our patrons answers Sergio will go back and forth as usual. Do you want to start sure our first answers this week is by in this era and they say I really want to know if we will get a dedicated console and we predicted some of that I feel like If there is when they're definitely gonna save it for a direct announcement, although you know what I mean old Nintendo used to just rebuild them like it used to be on the store ads the week they came out but I guess now that Nintendo is a little more active on Twitter. I can see them doing that, you know, if it's very close to the release of the game. They might just save it for that, but I would love to see it on a direct and answer it so that we can sort of prepare ourselves in our wallets. Yeah, you're totally right like this. One thing that Nintendo has been doing very differently to like they feel like they haven't been announcing like new console things under ex. They've mostly been doing it via Twitter and like social media, you know. Yeah, so it's a very different landscape than in tendo's kind of navigating now and they're using it. Well, I think they do a good job of helping people up for what's coming out but consoles are Definitely one of those things that might not be in the direct and might just be a Twitter announcement is some random weekday night, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I also really hope that we get a dedicated console because it's Animal Crossing. We need one it be the cutest one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so many said, I really want to know if holidays are back. And yes, this is a big one too because like though we've In that the real-time clock is making a return though. We've seen that as a seasons are coming back, you know, like one of the big things that makes Animal Crossing exciting is the holidays and you know, just going every day. It's like, you know when you're a kid and you're just sitting in school and you're like, oh man, I'm so excited because next week is Thanksgiving. I only have to come half the week and the rest is off and you know, like it's an adventure it feels yeah. It makes the month feel exciting to have thing to look forward to so yeah, I agree. I want to see that. Yeah, definitely that would be really nice and it's important so, you know, the sooner they confirmed the better. I think so dearly and tougher says villagers. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the new characters in hopefully new species all yes. This is this is a big one too. We need to see those as soon as possible. Yes. I am surprised we haven't yet like you pointed it out a few podcasts. As to go and I was like dang you're right. Where are these villagers? Like there's got to be some new stuff. You know, it's been so Bare Bones in that front so far. Yeah. So tab said I want to know about the museum filling it is one of my favorite things to do in Animal Crossing. When will we see blathers how far into the game will I be before I can start donating to my museum and where will the museum be? Hmm? And this is huge to like I agree with tab like This is one of my favorite things to do outside of paying off my home and expanding it. You know, I think the other big thing to work toward throughout the year is definitely catching bugs fish everything and donating it. Yes, definitely agree and not knowing where the museum is gonna be from sorely in the game. That's that's it's unusual. So I'm waiting to have we should know hopefully soon. Yeah. So Tara Steiner says, can I hug villagers? Just kidding? Want to know how amiibo will play into the game Tara? I want both. I want to be able to hug the villagers if that's a possibility. Hopefully they tell us but oh, I'm evil. It's a really good point. They're gonna they're gonna have to talk about it because they did confirm that they're going to work. So Nintendo tell us how it's going to work. Yeah, and I mean like the biggest thing here is that there are nearly 500 Animal Crossing amiibo and there are crazy people out there. I don't know who they are who bought them all. Definitely not me. It was me. But you know, there's like people out there who have tons and tons of these things and there are people out there who want these things. So re-release them. Let us know what they do. I'm you know, we want them we want. Yeah. So dragon flame said, I want to know what the island equivalent of this game is, and no not your home Island unless you can invite random foreigners to to your own Island. Somehow okay. So this is a good point like what he's referencing here is definitely tour Demers Island and I double checked with him. That's why I say definitely but Tory hammers Island was the place where we could go and play many games with people, you know, and so with there being a players in the game. I would expect there to be this type of feature in this new one, you know, so naturally wondering what that is is good and Definitely. I need to know because I want to play multiplayer games with everybody on these islands. Like that's going to be one of the big draws to playing the game with people outside of like, you know, touring their town and getting to see all their designs and stuff which is going to be much better than ever with this game with all the we can decorate but after we're done with that, let us go play with each other. Yeah. That's right. Yeah multiplayer is going to be important. So when they talk about multiplayer, I feel like they're going to Was where most of it is going to take place outside your Island. So there's got to be a new location in they should talk about it. Yeah, for sure. So Jeff says we get the observatory back in honestly. I have no idea why we don't have it back yet. Why was removing the first place so hopefully we get it back. Hopefully I feel like if it is back they're going to talk about it whenever they talk about the game again. Yeah, and I'll say like for me. I like the observatory. I like that we can design things. I found that I didn't do it too much but I think more it hurts the just seeing the downgrade and jobs for Celeste. I think yeah putting hers just like the souvenir shop person and the second floor of the museum. That's that. I don't know. She's better than that. She is an astronomer. She knows her stuff about the skies give her a job that she works, you know exactly she got her degree. In it don't make your just do some random stuff. So Mal said I want to know if there is farming probably won't be but a girl can dream and okay, I was going to kind of like say this with my tree comment, but I want their I like the idea of farming simply because we will get a much bigger variety of just stuff that we can grow and decorate our town with, you know, I like the idea of being able to plan. Aunt a pumpkin patch because there will be pumpkins that I can enjoy in my town during Halloween, you know, so I do really think the farming would be a nice complement to the crafting but also like a compliment to being to able to decorate outside because oh yeah part of the fun of like decorating outside and kind of having all that freedom is other freedoms that come with that like Jackie and I Every Spring we work on our garden we You will tend it we will make it something that can grow something and we have failed here and there throughout the years but over time we've gotten better at it. And I do really enjoy being able to walk outside and see that stuff and if I have that kind of thing in this Animal Crossing game, I think it's fun. I think it's cool to be able to grow new stuff and be able to enjoy them. Yeah, and that would be like a really nice considerably new and significant features that they would say for closer to launch. That would be you know, that would be like big news type of announcement. Yeah, and if it's not there like three years down the line I could see this being like the big welcome again Bo update feature that we get, you know, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so there's always room for growth with the series and I think just because you may not enjoy some features or anything like They're definitely features that I ignore in Animal Crossing games. There's some that I don't use as much as other people, you know, and but that's kind of the game like you're free to choose what you want to do what you want to play. So I don't think like adding in that way is going to hurt it at all. I think it'll just like give more people more benefits, you know? Yes, definitely and our last answer for this week is buyout package. Chino or Mike and they say I really want to know how the shops are going to work are the same ones all coming back. Will there be any new ones will the shops be separate to or actually on the island and to what capacity like an actual building or say a pop-up style kiosk and if so, can we decide where they will go? Basically? I just want to go shopping in New Horizons already. That's a lot of good questions in a lot of unknowns in you know for a games with we do so much shopping. We just we do it every day and it's a big part of coming back to the game daily. Now knowing these features it's interesting. I feel like there's a reason why Nintendo is holding back so much information on shopping. Yeah, and the interesting thing is like the bulk of the gameplay in the previous games really revolved around shopping. Like that was the big thing that you did to unlock different items. Yes, as you know, we don't view it as unlocks but it kind of is like You earn money and then you trade that money for some new features some new things that you can use. So it's it's an interesting way that they're changing the game. But also, yeah, I want to know how shops are going to work. I want to know like where do they go where they were they going to live? How are we going to place them who's going to work them and I will add another prediction because this reminded me of it there is going to be You shop it's going to be run by a wallaby. It's going to be a backpack shop or you know bag shop and we're going to learn that bags will expand our inventory while walking around. So there you go. That's my final prediction for this direct. I hope you all enjoyed this show because it's going to be a really good one. Yes, but yeah, I will say like everybody is bringing up some really great things that they want to know. About this game and you know the like even reading through all the answers that we got on patreon. Like there was such a good variety of what people wanted. Some of them definitely popped up more than once to like and if you know just among our small group there could already be duplicates. I imagine they're just like thousands of people out there who want to know any one of these things. So yeah. There you go Nintendo like if you are still planning that direction no problem. We planned it for you we have Of all of the concerns people have here too so cover those and it'll be a great show will enjoy it. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. Well, you can keep the conversation going by Nintendo switching over to our Discord just follow the link in the description and you can talk with other people who love Animal Crossing as much as you do including Sergio and Me want to support the show in a bigger way and get your voice heard during the show. Visit patreon.com chewy plays in tendo. 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You're listening to fit processions were parallel coaching episode number 22. Hi. I'm Jill Bergman and in today's podcast. I'm talking with Haley. What about how to avoid overwhelming self-doubt when planning workouts for your personal trainer clients? So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified lemon Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a fit probe doesn't have to be hard work. Work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable business professional that is dedicated to more. How do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? This is the pit procession podcast is parallel coaching. So episode number 22. It is the first one of 2020. Good morning. How we doing Happy New Year. It's a little bit late for happy New Year. It's the 9th of January when this goes like this right notice. We don't have a green screen. Today, I'm a lightens down as well. But that's all okay, you can still see and hear us all. Okay. So what we talked about today Haley today, we talked about planning. So we get a lot of questions from our Learners, especially when we put in our Inner Circle asking for questions and what people want to ask us and it's usually around planning and how much how overwhelming planning is and how it can breed a certain amount of self-doubt for people that are already qualified as personal trainers and fit Pros. So ultimately what we're talking about is planning and how to drop overwhelm and self-doubt. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of those questions come in saying all do it. Like do I need loads of software? Do I need to have all this all-singing all-dancing? What if I've got lots week you could you could but that might lead to more overwhelm learning a new bit of software and new bit of Kit. Absolutely unnecessarily. Maybe it's up to you. You never know. I've been a PT for over a decade and I can genuinely say I only use one app really with clients which is my fitness pal. Yep. There we go. It really simple and so the problem that we see most with fit Pros is that they don't necessarily value the time it takes to do the planning. So I'm going to drop that right in there nice and early Sun and that could be a result of something that happened from their PT course, it might be something they've experienced themselves. I think historically as well, but PT industry has very much been not suddenly I've seen it's been paper says Russian paper go and serve a client pays you less a 30 pound for the session in the gym or at home and that covers everything but covers for travel the planning the set up the session the debrief unpacking the drive home where I'm going to say Petey has become a lot more sophisticated in the last I've seen it, you know as a PT still active. I still PT clients myself and it's become a lot more sophisticated in the last couple of years and If that comes a lot more value are stacked value, which means I or You should be value in all of your time. Yes. So rather than C is a paper sessions a 30 pound per hour. It's not just those training sessions account. So completely it's all areas of how you manage your clients lifestyle and mindset and also, let's keep it on track. Just playing if we don't value planning from a monetary perspective. I'm not going to do a great deal of planning. For my client massive problem and that also causes a certain amount of overwhelm and I've heard many a clients before say that I find it really confusing. They got Bits of Paper everywhere. They're trying to think about what their clients should be doing in like 12 weeks time and they just don't really know where to start and then they start thinking about the exercises first. They get massive overwhelming like I don't know how to make it good and they get stuck in this thing of actually probably it's better that I just don't bother planning. I'll just turn Couldn't and wing it. So they get longer. I don't jump in. I just remembered something here. And yes, this irritates the heebie-jeebies out of me TV TV. See him very politically not gonna sweat. Maybe that's my 2020. Maybe New Year's resolution is not heebie-jeebies. I'm going to save the body coach was doing a hit session on Facebook live. He had near on like 8,000 people tuned in and he said categorically at the beginning very Mine He's a role model own in mind a lot of fit Pros look up to him bearing in mind. He's made in excess of 10 million quid in my last couple of years. Yeah, and so he provides evidence that it's possible to make it big. I'm in Fitness and he categorically said live I haven't planned this session guys. I'm just going to make it up as I go. What the I'll let you fill in the blank. It doesn't promote planning. It doesn't promote planning. That's my point. So if I'm a new fitpro and I'm I'm inspired and looking up to some industry greats because he has been great for our industry. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, it's the same point. He's set with Preston, but sometimes you don't need to plan when in actual fact you do. Yeah, you do. It's It's a massive problem. Not just in that area. But also like if people feel like they are stuck for like they're overwhelmed and planning takes a backseat. It doesn't get valued and as a result, it ends up not getting done and as a result that affects the clients goals, but the real opportunity that we've got here is that rather than having this problem is if we do it, right and we do planning in a real simple and structured way. We're going to share some principles with you here today is that you can plan with Simplicity you can plan with structure. ER and you cannot see it as a chore and you can actually get really great results of your clients. So planning is a real clear opportunity cheesy. I'm going to say it fail to plan plan to fail. Whoo. It doesn't matter what area of life we look at if we don't have a plan but I can't work towards something. Yes. Nice simple of that's really that simple. Yeah exactly. So we want to share five main principles with you and also a serious amount of action as well and we've made our notes. Wow, so let us know. But incredibly strong through a very strong periodized plan, but I'm following know. So where do we go first tell you because you've you've planned miss you plan for popcorn ceiling organize your feeling is that planning is it have your day to go into a session without a plan. Of course, you're not going to feel organized this course, you're going to feel like what am I doing overwhelmed and self-doubt? Absolutely. So we even plan this so yes, the first one is about Volume Now volume has two different sides to it. Really the key thing about volume is that it's going to get easier the more you do. So I touched so many of you know loads and loads of our Learners, you know on the PT course a time because you make planning sound so easy. I do find planning easy because every time I talk about planning I lay down a new kind of what's the word muscle fiber in my brain repetition. That's what planning is. That's how it works. And every time I say I sat in a slightly different way, so every time I teach it planning for me becomes so so familiar because it's repetition repetition is Amara will skill and so, you know across the last decade for me personally. I've done countless numbers of plants thousands of plans and taught it hundreds of times. So planning does appear easy. Absolutely. So that's one part of volume so volume for the new PT have a new fitpro whether you're a personal trainer gym instructor, sir. Constructor spin instructor etm. Instructed a quick quick kids yoga Pilates. You never it doesn't matter what volume comes down to how many times do I plan? Yeah. Nice. And also, how many do you have to deal with any one point? You're a brand new instructor brand new Petey. I'm gonna guess you probably don't have tons and tons of clients. So you might be doing this part-time alongside your existing job. You might be doing this as so You're trying to get going full time, but still you only got a few clients. So in as in reality, you probably don't have that much volume of car of planning to do so, there's not that much 200 get overwhelmed about which becomes this is mindset issue that it sounds overwhelming but really you've only got three or five clients to prepare for anyway, one thing I hear an awful lot is I don't want to hurt my client and on a break my client. I don't want it to be too easy or too hard. And so we used Those limiting self-belief stories to stop us from taking action and planning something. I remember doing feels like I've talked a lot about me. I'm gonna say it. Anyway something I used to do an awful lot back in when I first started was makeup hypothetical plans. So I used to say to Haley. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah, it's all hail. Excuse me act like a hypothetical case study or client and I used Pink and just jot down some notes of what I would do for them over a four-week or an eight week or twelve-week plan. I wouldn't overthink it just literally two or three minutes and I'll try and push out a plan and became you only repetition. I remember driving to our PT course when we were learning to be Pete. He's doing this backwards and forwards I would suggest a client like profile when he make up a plan and then Neil would suggest one and I'll make up a plan and we've done this for the whole for our journey. I still I still do this. It's repetition repetition. So rather than say wait for the volume or I've only got three clients at the moment. I only got two clients that moment. I don't feel that great at planning. I feel overwhelmed go on and create some hypothetical case studies and think like, what would I do with a 35 year old guy? That's super super busy. We can only train twice a week. What could I do with a young mum? That's 25 years old that has been given the sign-off from GP to go and train again 12 weeks after the pregnancy. Absolutely. What would I do with a 30 year old guy that's getting back into martial arts Jiu-Jitsu and wants to develop his muscular strength and that will take care of the volume. So wherever you are principal one is volume, whether you've got a small amount you need to design some extra ones, imagine them or get stuck into the volume you do have this leads really nice into principal to principal to is about having a specific. Take type of client if you've got no mentioned loads of different ones a minute ago. If you've got loads of different types of client, you're going to feel overwhelmed I'd feel overwhelmed. If a really experienced bodybuilder came to me and said, can you improve my performance on stage? It's not my specialist. If a hockey player came to me. Uh, I don't know. I don't specialize in that. So today we're on day three of our January Sprint's we have our Fitness business Kickstarter. We got how many people in the group? Almost 50 50 50 new fit Pros inside the group and they want a free of the 28-day Fitness business Kickstarter. And today is all about the early stages of that Avatar now ideal client and this helps firm set themselves up for success. I was a bit of a mouthful because from a planning perspective. If you have one ideal client or two really are Max ideal clients. You've only ever got a plan for really one person because even if you have let's say 30 clients, but they're all The same type of client then you've obviously got a plan individuality to that but you know, the the concepts that were training principles. That's what I'm talking about, but training principles and the research behind that so for example, let's go back to a previous learner. She deals with menopause. Yeah, so she knows what majority of our all of our clients are ladies knows the problems that you know the problem she knows what they're somewhere in their 40s and early 50s. These she knows so much about that client. She knows what to plan based upon their prey pain and their problem and knows how to kind of liberate then through training nutrition and mindset awesome. And so yes, she's got to do lots of different plans for everybody. But she has a generic plan knowing what she's got to do for that person. So specificity of a client type is crucial. I think that dissolves overwhelm the most because you're not going what if this person person comes and asks me what if this person also positions you as the expert it positions you as for local expert because you rent deal with let's say you're dealing with menopause. You're only dealing with ladies, but I'm in menopause so that when a guy comes along you I don't train guys you need to go to this party to go to this person and that really does position you as the expert if you look at any successful business they have very clear on who they work with and they're very clear on who they don't work with and they're very confident saying yes, I work. You and no I don't work with you. Awesome. Yes, and that's principle. Number two the client which flows really nicely into principle number three, which is about valuing the time you spend on your planning. Now, we mentioned this at the beginning. I think it's linked with the specificity because if you're doing research about your client and you're doing research about that client type, let's say for example menopause. Are you doing lots of research in that area? You can value that research time and you can value then all the little planning of all of the different variables more likely to get my goal to Petey's PT. Number one does no planning. No research turns up paper. Our just is does a session. Yeah PT number two does the research they do for planning. They applied for research to the planning. They turn up they deliver a race specific sessions were very specific person. It's like the guy a taken. I've got a very specific set of skills. Skills that's not even go down in person. Oh, that was rubbish. Anyway, you get my point right? I can't do this for client really want Pleasant. In fact, I would pay more for number two. And now your position does the expert they're more likely to go get I want that person and that would explain why there's a gap in the PT Market or the coaching Market if you look at for example, Sample James Baldwin and verdad Coach. Why is it that he is accelerating off? Very very specific with this ideal client and other people that are doing other things associated with dads aren't able to even come close to what is delivery. Why is it everybody coach or Jane Smith or Jamie Alderson able to accelerate off ultimately doing the same thing as a new fitpro? Yeah. Anybody can do this. Same outcomes. Same things same thing for y of accelerating off nice. Okay, and that comes back to to that point of fact doing the research for planning the positioning the specificity in the volume. And now you that in your pricing. Yeah. Absolutely number four number four is about the format that you choose this often causes a huge amount of overwhelm. Where do I use software? Do I use word? Do I write them back of a fag packet? Probably not affect the test goes for seat will do but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Whatever makes you feel comfortable with your quite tacky. You could hop. To a software thing. If you want to you could use canva is really good way for very techy person and I use PowerPoint. I use PowerPoint. I like PowerPoint because you can put images you can list out what they've got to do. I always think about how do I keep the end user in mind? How do I and so for example, like you guys you come on our courses revision Mastery, whatever we always thinking how do I keep it? So goddamn damn simple keep it It simple stupid keep it simple structured structured so that you or the client actually get it first time. There's no more guessing. It's pipsqueak e-easy pipsqueak. It was when you said in the beginning, I don't know codswallop now, I had an email. I don't know. I'm on it none but Wicked I love that analogy. So could a five-year-old right it not a civilian context. Your knowledge is not understand that could a five-year-old understand. It's something my coach used to say an awful lot to me was Neil treat everybody as if they're stupid unless they prove you are. Otherwise this way treat me like that. Yeah, and I love this concept that's not to say that the client is stupid by any means, but if I can deliver this information, which is quite in-depth knowledge in depth Research In Depth planning in a really concise easy to follow for Matt. Yeah then There's no deletion of words. There's no I'm not generalized anything. I've not distorted anything and that comes to I tell us a little bit of NLP though. I've made no assumptions. I just made it super super clear. So can you deliver this for in a format? That is so super simple. And you know, what for me it was always PowerPoint. It was just a list of exercises in order do this for this number of sets reps. Rest Tempo blah and you Easy adapt that each week. Yeah it and change the exercise and stuff. Well, I do find sometimes software does is that it makes you focus on the funkiest sexiest programming of exercises not necessarily the overall periodization and variables which will come on to in a moment because at the end of a day the client could just do one exercise for 30 minutes and still get the same out pretty much in the grand scheme of things not for same with food Makai. I could eat pizza for breakfast lunch and dinner providing my idea to calorie calorie deficit calorie maintenance our calorie Surplus for the energy balance equation in the grand scheme of things. I yeah, I've made that quite crude, but absolutely. Yeah, it's what matters so let's go onto principle number five just our fifth one and finally won the final one of the principles and then we've got some action steps to look at as well. So the first the final one is about knowing the adaptation you You want your client to I thought you going to just pop me I confess pump. Do you know what I love because actually we get to come back to the same topic of anatomy and physiology. You know, when you go in the gym you are your client doesn't matter go out for a run home based work out in the park the Dome at where it is. You're not training exercises. You're not going on. I'm gonna go and do a lat pulldown. I'm training my back you're training for the physiological and Anna. Get my words out you're training for being that him get my words out Michael anatomical and physiological. Thank you for any response in that muscle towards a goal. So I need to understand. Where's my client right now? What's my current status? Where do I need to go to and how long is that realistically going to take which comes back to smart goals? Yes. Well that was big can of worms here, but ultimately know the intensity the variables of like reps and things like that unless you know, Don't taste you're even looking for and what is that tension specific adaptations would impose them and another we've mentioned this a lot of this podcast, but it's true. I think we can mention even more to be honest. But yes, I don't know what I'm changing in the anatomy and in the physiology of the client, I'm literally guessing. I'm literally just doing a series of exercises and you have a client might get a little bit faster fitter stronger leaner and meaner through just exercising but it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get a goal. I was talking to a guy in a gym a couple of weeks ago. Go a few weeks back now actually and he pulled me over and he asked me something about that again. It wasn't that cool down or seated row and I asked him how long you've been doing his plan and he'd been doing his plan for three years. He hadn't changed it fair play to his guide tip my hat because it done the same plan for two three times a week for three years. Well, the realized he wasn't actually yesterday thousand times twice ridiculous be wasn't actually didn't get his goal. He was actually quite open. It said your how frustrated he was. And that comes down to it doesn't it's not about we exercise. No, it's about be physiological and anatomical adaptation brought about by exercise by training and there we go to focus on so let's recap those five principles and then we'll bring all this into a few real clear action steps to make sure those five principles were number one volume number two specificity. I have an idea ideal client Avatar. Who are they? What are they do I You name it we can um, but every podcast on that may be a fit for a session just on ideal client. Yeah, number three factor in the planning and value that time number four was about format. It doesn't matter just use Crayola crayons and and no vibe was about knowing the physiological adaptation. You want to see so action point. Yeah. The action points we want to roll into is something that we really promote when we teach our PT courses when we do coaching confidence Workshop day. He's we really look at how many Sonic's coaching conference march-april calls me that so so when we're structuring everything together, it basically means that you are focusing on the right things at the right time. Now, we suggest you start first of all with the end in mind. So you need to know what the clients goal is and what measurement they want to achieve. So measurement is the first thing really really imagine that I live in Plymouth. We live in Plymouth and our Academy training cost was up in Milton Keynes. Yeah matched if I didn't know that that was the end outcome to get to Milton Keynes. I just got in the car and I just drove and I was like is this for training then, you know is this for training then, you know is this for training and you know, like of course you're never going to reach your destination. So you've got to know the end outcome before you even start if we can start planning before you think about anything else? No the end outcome which comes from measuring and talking to a client and then you want to go further some Big variables the big variables are fit frequency intensity type and time and time so frequency intensity time and type are basically the big four and you want to know you want to focus on these and how you adapt them over each week. So you can show progression so frequency. How many times does my client train per week? That might be you know, the gold number I believe is a minimum of three times per week and that hits all kind of ACSM. Earns for forfeit. Yeah, okay. So three times a week you your client might only train with you once but you still have to plan B other two, they could you can't just do like one PT session and go Hey Joe bloggs going to be over to on your own. I'll go and do this in class and Miss body attack cause he's good enough to get my goal. So you've got to plan all three even though they're only with you for one. That's why we said about value in planning more. Because you got a plan for sessions. You're not even going to be there and that's why you've got to be able to write in Crayola crayons. Perfect. And then after frequency had intensity intensity all links that physiological adaptation. You can only know what intensity to choose if you know, they're after weight loss or endurance or hypertrophy or strength to get that by knowing exactly where they are now. So doing some cardiovascular testing some resistance based testing some range of movement flexibility testing some objective and subjective. Active some questionnaires subject questionnaires and objective measurements like height weight BMI, waist hip circumference body circumferences fat calipers, whatever it might be and what they can do and what we can do now, I can complain about intensity and intensity is not just, you know, say to I'm going to do 12 RN but also what training systems my going to use I'm a beginner intermediate Advanced are do I have no training age of a not been in the gym for 20 years or have they been triggered? Lincoln six months what's their training aid and then I can be quite a bit going to do single sets basic sets circuits, Pha The Long Watkins Giant Steps triceps supersets pre-exhaust post exhaust eccentric you get the gist. So that's where your level free training systems come into play with in intensity. Yes, next one's really important to have time. So time that you choose and the timings of the session are still coming under this variable. Is it a 40 minute session? Is it an hour or so? Session is it a 20-minute session? I mean we need to drop the fact that people are paying for their gonna pay me for not paying for me. I'm not paying you for an hour. They're paying you for results and they're paying you for a session. So repeat, so I'm not again. We're paying you for a result. Not a session. Is that way? Yeah, they're not paying you for an hour hour. They're paying you for a result. Like my PT session last night was I think 35 40 minutes max. It's fine. As long as I get the results. And actually sometimes better. Yeah, this is we get less is more because actually we hit the and that's a condom get my werder the anatomical and physiological demands of that session and they were really high demands and serve our clients kind of fuel tank was spent after 25 30 minutes in the grand scheme of things. That's that so there's no point in me pushing for the hour because for client just wouldn't be able to do that. Then that's knowing the clients goal. That's known for clients current physiological anatomical Status and going well, they're paying for a result. Not my time. Absolutely. Not not an hour. And then once you know that time frame, let's say we want it could be 20 minutes and then week two we can be 25 minutes and how it progresses then you can break down your timings of your session. So once you extract the warm-up, so that's 10 minutes and you extract the cooldown and that's five minutes. What are you left with in the main body? Okay. So let's say we got something 50-minute session. We do 10 minutes warm up ten minutes called down. I'm left with 30 minutes. Guy, so 10 minutes warm up ten minutes called down at 20 and I don't know what he's looking at me for those of you looking at me like yes, I believe that's right. Why don't I do 50 - do it? Oh my God, 30 minutes. So what can I do in 30 minutes what training systems in excuse me intensity drops inside 30 minutes. My kind is got you know, yeah. I know let's say late begin early intermedia and we're in let's just say tricep. And supersets how many we're doing a whole body approach how many sets or exercises within a try setting superset? Can I do am I doing say triceps on to on legs one on a push-up a body one on a poor upper body one on shoulders one on arms. That's five. Try sets and I'm gonna do that twice through so that's 10 sets or told a free exercise. So that's 30 x is that's 30 exercising its and then I've got to fit in some super sets in there any wax your I'm well over my 30 minutes now. So what ones am I going to take out and how am I going to put them back in? So this is where we come back to volume, which is our first point. Today's you've got a practice planning. You can't just assume you're going to get it right first time and I have some contingency and have your do the most important parts of the plan first and then know that you kind of got extra things you can put in if you need to but for your first few, I like to make it a spot on every time I like to plan it really simple. I just Right what must I do in this session and ideally try and get them into compound moves because compound or multi joint moves get biggest bang for my buck. And the reality is my clients and you're with me for one or two sessions a week out of a hundred and sixty eight hours. So I want to get the the highest risk exercises out of the way and done under my supervision. Then I go down to isolation. Then I go down to my extra accessory any any accessory work what I need to do bit. Really if I just look at it warm up compound moves isolation accessory called out perfect and I try and make sure the client performs the highest risk exercises with me as opposed to a move on perfect. And that's your timings. And I think we've overlapped into type quite a lot as well. So things in terms of time and type type is now your exercises notice how this is last low-cost. It's not a frequency you look at intensity you look at time. You don't consider exercises until you've I want the rest of it and the exercising why I think this is only my opinion under is like a lot of people get hung up on exercises because the likelihood is you've got into this industry because you had your own radical transformation. Maybe you dropped a lot of weight. Maybe you rebounded back into a really wicked place after having kids. Maybe it liberated. Your lifestyle having had really high stress at work. I don't know. Maybe you got on stage. Maybe you got the beach, but I don't know any event, whatever running man had Marathon, but you've done something. Whereby you've done a number of exercises that helped put you in this transfer mate. Sorry. I don't like the word formation Place get my words out and and you have the transformation and you feel great. And so overall your belief or your story is but training is about exercises and it's got to be about funky sexy progressed exercises. And always looking for new golden exercise for the best exercise for most fun exercise when reality is as a trainer as a coach. It's for the last thing to get programmed in. Yeah, because if I know where the client starts and I'd start about 10,000 foot View and I look at it like a funnel those of you who are watching on YouTube. You see if my hands are like this, you know, imagine a country a v-shape imagine a funnel in it in a kitchen that you know, what actually is funner one at the top is A 10,000 foot down and the last thing to get programmed in his is exercises. You've got goals. You got measurements. You've got measure you've got current status yada yada yada also the intensity time and then type there we go smallest chunk but slackly and and in the grand scheme of things the same old exercises come out time and time again, because if you get everything else right and in the funnel, but fine, let's see the other tation the client will enjoy it because we're clients there. For results and actually that takes a lot of pressure out of your planning because now the reason you felt stressed and overwhelmed about all your planning was because you thought you had totally different new exercises every single time. If your structure stays consistent throughout you don't have to think about lots of new exercises. You just have to be consistent with your planning and your big overview make it appropriate for the goal. When a solar chicken dinner winner winner chicken dinner, so I would say that actually if you apply all those five principles Schools and those action steps that we just ran through you would have everything you need to be able to plan with Simplicity and structure and not have a chore so that you can avoid overwhelm and self-doubt when planning workouts for PT and I'll end on on on on one final thing, but it's bending in fact if I end it would be the final thing. It would be overwhelming just a feeling as is self. Now it comes and goes as quick as excitement and joy. Oi, okay. So the question is is when you think about planning are you overwhelmed and self-doubt about planning or are you overwhelmed in self-doubt about something else that you were thinking about two minutes ago? As one consideration? The next thing would be that the more you do overwhelming self-doubt as an emotional feeling can disappear very quickly. Yeah. Okay and final Point final final Final point is overwhelming self-doubt aren't a Bad Thing Bevis barometer. I'ma stop it says that's how I'm feeling right now. And that's okay. Yeah, why don't we what just because we perceive excitement and joy as a good thing. Why don't we have this conversation of how to avoid excitement and and joy when planning we don't have that as because that would be the antagonist everything works in pairs. Yeah light and dark yin and yang everything muscles biceps triceps and everything is pilot really works in pairs. Every opposite there's a whatever I'm really appropriate for every action has a reaction there. Okay, guys, what are you talking about? Why don't want to avoid this. So actually experiencing overwhelm is self-doubt is actually a really beautiful thing. It's actually a really nice thing to It's because what this is telling you is you need to go away and do a little bit more research a little bit more planning a little bit more repetition a little bit more volume. Just emotional feedback. Isn't it giving you an emotional feedback to say maybe I'm not I haven't got an ideal client at the moment, or maybe I'm not doing this the best way I can do and now you can apply our principles. Yeah, maybe maybe I'm I've not been applying fit and actually this overwhelm is actually telling me to go and learn more about Fitbit support. So Listen to this podcast we go so so don't see overwhelming self. That was a bad thing because it really isn't just the motion. It's just an emotion and it comes and goes as quick as excitement and joy, there we go. So with that said drop a comment below let us know you've enjoyed this one leave us a five star review. 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Episode 022: How To Avoid Overwhelm And Self-Doubt When Planning Workouts For Personal Trainer Clients The problem that most FitPros face whilst planning workouts for personal trainer clients is often centered around emotion and mindset. They feel overwhelmed by the amount of choice available, they feel confused by focusing on the wrong area of planning, and they get STUCK in limbo between doing too much planning or not enough. The good thing is that all of these emotions can be irradicated with the right understanding of 5 key principles, which we are going to explain on today's podcast. After this episode, you will be able to apply your knowledge in a simple and clear structure that makes planning for your clients purposeful and not a chore. Click the PLAY button below to listen to the entire episode Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: https://parallelcoaching.co.uk/episode-022-avoid-overwhelm-when-planning-workouts-for-personal-trainer-clients Timestamps: 1:00 Introduction to Episode 022 of the FitPro Sessions Podcast 2:00 Common problems with planning workouts for personal trainer clients 3:30 Overwhelm from too much planning and underwhelm from no planning 6:00 The opportunity created by planning with structure and simplicity 7:00 Principle 1: Volume 11:00 Principle 2: A Specific Client 13:50 Principle 3: Value Planning Time 15:50 Principle 4: Format in Crayola 19:00 Principle 5: Physiological Adaption 22:00 Action Steps – start with the end in mind 31:00 Knowing the funnel to follow in planning 32:30 Overwhelm is just a feeling 35:00 Leave a review, comment below and join our Inner Circle FB group Need more help with your planning? We have a special opportunity for 8 FitPros, who want to improve planning confidence. Our Coach In Confidence workshop will teach you how to confidently plan and progress your sessions. We will teach you how to focus on achieving client goals through physiological adaptation. This one day workshop is perfect for qualified (or soon to be qualified) FitPros, that lack confidence to plan and instruct client sessions. To get details on our next Coach In Confidence Workshop, which will be in Spring 2020; please reach out to us to request a call with us. This 20 min call will help us understand what you want for the workshop and talk you through the details… Book A Call Here Dedicated to More Hayley “Avoid Overwhelm” Bergman Parallel Coaching P.S.

It's Netter just talking to teachers talking to teachers about academic research and evidence-based practice with continuing professional development at PNA 1977 on Twitter. Just talking to teachers hello, and welcome to nail has Ngata and this week. I'm in conversation with educationist author writer consultant orator and liberal artist. Mr. Martin Robinson. Martin is a teacher with 20 years experience of working in state schools in London. And Martin was an advanced skills teacher had a department head of faculty and the assistant head teacher Martin is interested in developing teaching and learning by building on the tradition of grammar dialectic and rhetoric. So we are looking this week at what I consider to be an essential read namely Athena versus the machine and this book has fundamentally changed my views on the rationale for knowledge Rich curriculum molded my thinking on. extracurricular activities and engendered somewhat of a state of cognitive dissonance in me when Martin talks about educating for freedom and you'll know that I reviewed this book in last week's podcast pedagogy section of the show where we looked at multiple bits and curriculum Athena versus the machine and we talked about how it explores the educational value of a curriculum rooted in the pursuit of wisdom and Advocates the enshrinement of such a curriculum as a central concern of an academic institution and Martin argues that Teachers need to be liberated from policy LED prescription in order to design curricula which brings the subjects forward rather than the pursuit of outcomes. So before we get into a wide-ranging and fascinating chat with Martin, we have this week's tdt section and it's a little bit different this week. So we have some information from the one of the teacher development trusts schools in Blackpool and this is from South Shore Academy who are talking about a teachmeet that they're putting together as part of that project. It so Nikki Smith and Emma whole are in a Blackpool Studio to talk to this so over to you too. Hi Phil. Thanks for having us. I'm Nikki Smith, and I'm Emma Greenwood and we're here today to talk to you about a brand new South Shore Academy teach meet you need to save the date on the 16th of January and it's at four o'clock until six o'clock at South Shore Academy and Blackpool. So we wanted to talk about where we came up with the idea and what we're hoping to achieve it was a nice idea initially. We because we absolutely love the local research events. We've always gone too late and teach me we've been to research at Blackpool. We've always come away with excellent ideas. So we wanted to create something where we could share and celebrate the superb teaching and learning that's going on not just in our school, but across all the Blackpool skills. We're really excited because got a range of speakers discussing teaching and learning strategies Behavior ethos and well, Again, we're also hoping to have reps from companies like Geo assessment like Sonic teach first. We're hoping to have the alliance for teaching and PTI there so that as well as the sessions people can take away a variety of decent information that will help them in their practice. So we're going to have a keynote speaker. And the first person will be Steven Tierney and then we're going to have breakout sessions for you to choose from just as importantly as that are for our closing speech. There will be Be a raffle. So make sure you hang around for that too. Okay, so you need to get your tickets now, they are free. So come along you can get the tickets from Twitter. There will be on our school website or you can look out for the Flyers that should be dropping into all Blackpool schools. And in the Northwest soon, they're selling out fast. So make sure you get yours soon. We're really looking forward to seeing everybody there. Back to you Phil. Thanks for having us. This week on the podcast pedagogy section. I am reading talking to strangers by Malcolm Gladwell and have to admit a certain amount of bias before I start here. I am a huge fan of gladwell's work from his debut The Tipping Point which explored the science behind Viral Trends through blink outliers and David and Goliath and I'm also a regular listener to the revisionist History Podcast Malcolm's Journey Through the overlooked and misunderstood and in each episode Malcolm re-examine something from the past and event or an idea or even sometimes a song and asks, whether we got it right first time. So I was incredibly excited to receive this book and get stuck in and I've so far managed to read the first couple of chapters where Gladwell re-examines Neville Chamberlain He's famous World War. Well pre-World War II meeting with adult Hitler and history as not remembered Neville Chamberlain. Well portrayed as he is at best Global and at worst by Winston Churchill as guilty of making the worst decision ever Gladwell skillfully analyzes Chamberlain a businessman with limited real-world experience and like a vicar stumbling into a pub is one way of describing him in the book and his experience on the foreign stage made in much more likely to accept Hitler. His word it ain't contrast that with Lord Halifax who was Neville Chamberlain's for integrity at the time who despite vast experience in foreign affairs as Viceroy of India and a charismatic and experienced negotiator who are broken agreements with Camden on less. No less was equally filled by Hitler. So with Gladwell points out the only politicians who weren't fooled with those who'd never met Hitler and this seems to form the central theme of the book talking to strangers and it has the way that you look at strangers yourself and and your kind of role within the world and this is a research-based book which examines the varying ways in misinterpret or fail to communicate with each other and I really found it a brilliant page Turner and I recommend it to all alongside gladwell's back catalog and his revisionist History Podcast. So the book is available everywhere and whatever way that books are sold. And for those of you who enjoy an audiobook there, is that as well available everywhere. And no doubt narrated by the author. Ok, so hello, Martin and welcome to the podcast. Hello. Hello. How are you? Yes, very good. Thank you. Very good, especially a half term. So it's nice to be able to have a relaxing morning and and chatting about education what better way to spend your cup of coffee and put our feet up exactly. I actually have got one next to me. I can hear the channel. Okay, so we're gonna get into this sort of gentle introduction question so good. Tell listeners a little bit about your career to this point and what prompted you to write Athena versus the machine as a follow-up to Trivium right by that. I mean, I could start from a very young age at them. Don't work work my way through to the elderly gentleman you here before you now but my career in education started, I think basically when I left school at 16 having had a rather slit desolate experience of education and finding myself working in a market stall amongst other things in Oxford surrounded by students who obviously had a slightly different experience of Education than me and finally I find my way around to getting a degree thanks to the Polytechnic of North East London and then being open to students who had Life experiences and finding myself doing a degree there and finding the world of Education rather late, but in a very interested and interesting way in that it was quite a radical politics and quite a radical cause I was doing and engaged in the culture arguments and culture wars of the time because doing cultural studies. So I took it was probably a Marxist view on the world, you know. And that was my introduction to quite a few philosophers writers, etc. Etc. Who I had hardly any thing to do with when I was at school and finally after leaving that working in advertising for a bit, but for Marxism today as a communist newspaper communist magazine, I was selling advertising space has a rather odd thing to do it with a communist magazine or suppose. I found my way into teaching And I worked as a teacher for 20 just over 20 years in North East London State schools in North East London, and it's a Drama teacher and an English teacher and I even did media I think for for one year or so as well. And then that took me through to Senior Management and various other lofty positions, like being able to pump skills teaching and all those sorts of things that were around at the time. I'm and then I got a chance to talk to people via Twitter funny enough and that chance to write a book on the Trivium and that that sort of opened up a new world to me, which is the world down of consultancy and writing the follow-up to Trivium, which is seen the worst of the machine. So that kind of gets me to this point. That's it. And that is gonna be the focus of today's podcast. So in my view this Stan's intellectually Head and Shoulders above anything that I've read on the curriculum and it starts with and it's very true and it starts with if you haven't read it listeners. It starts with a quote from Lord Byron and moves into the Athena school. So how did you propose the inspiring figure of Athena can change what can be a mundane Narrative of too many of our schools? Well, it's it was asking really what is the inspiration for schooling at the moment and how do we judge whether a school as being successful or not? And whether had we judges parents because I'm a parent of course as well as well as a teacher as well as a student all the way back down whether we've had a successful education really and it was following that sort of questioning down the line. I came across from your Postman and he The to YouTube which turned out it was from one of his books the end of Education really 1996, I think and he talks about a God and the fact that we need a God to give us some sort of structure for meaning and as I get the quote here the God is in right away God in the sense. I'm using the word is the name as a great narrative one that has sufficient credibility complexity. Symbolic power so that is possible to organize one's life for one's learning around it without such a tense ascendance narrative life has no meaning without meaning learning has no purpose and that kind of summed up for me quite a lot of what was missing from a lot of the approaches to education that we're seeing around us. And which God could it be I thought and in it because I'm not a believer in there. Christian God for instance looks rather God so I thought well, I think that goddess of wisdom could perhaps give us a mass miss that we can structure meaning around and idea of a pursuit of something other than just grades and jobs and careers and all the other things that come through a more mechanistic way of approaching education. So something Transcendent gives us purpose. It's listening and then you go on to contrast the wisdom of Athena with the machine. So can you outline what you mean by the machine in an educational setting? Right. Well, that is I suppose people call it Factory schools. I think that's that's kind of perhaps where the analogy can fit in but it's mechanistic thinking machine analogies that go throughout schools as well things like flight paths, you know, we are sort of M curve and we're going to wind up here targeting input-output all the things that sort of The systems that we put in place which seemed quite mechanical and almost to the point where the mechanism takes over from the educative value of something you're studying. So even with conversations with students, they're looking for how to get the grade rather than how to understand the thing you're teaching. So it's all means to an end. It's all target driven. It's all about clanking them through some sort of mechanistic movement that takes them through and and the IT Isabel well-used idea and to me it takes the human out of it the human becomes secondary and the human what I mean by the human is someone who engages with the learning the person who comes through who's actually looking at stuff thinking about stuff and engaging with the stuff that you're teaching and trying to get that relationship back to the center rather than right. How do I get this grade Hardware to dance Target and all the other things we put in the place of that Central relationship the human and the knowledge and moving into the curriculum. We hear much about, you know, superficial talk about knowledge. Rich and Broad and balanced in the discourse on curriculum, but knowledge is a means to an end in itself is not enough. So how can we go about designing curriculum to make inroads into people's minds rather? And treat them as empty vessels to be filled, right? So this this comes down to where I got with wisdom. So if you look up wisdom and it has in the Oxford English Dictionary, they can't put it into three major parts that make up wisdom and that he's the idea of knowledge being Central and experience. And judgment and so if we have those three things knowledge experience and judgment and we're saying that these are the central things call an education in the pursuit of wisdom then how do we bring in a child's experience and also experiences? So this is you know, they're going to be experiencing as they go through schooling as well and on the outside of school and also the importance of judgment allowing them to make It's to have choices to come into the conversation and to say I think if we talk about the best and and perhaps this is something that is quite at here because in the National curriculum, it asks us to teach the best as being thought instead and that course comes from Matthew Arnold as idea of back culture. The best has been thought and said, well, I'm sort of saying here will actually know you. You can't teach them the best because that bypasses they're making a judgment about what the best might be and also they might of course because of their experiences and because of their way of engaging with the world not agree with you that something is the best. And so therefore we have a conversation about bringing them into that idea of judgment, but that judgment needs to be educated as well. It needs to be developed in some ways as an as an art teacher. This is Close to my heart because we would make new art we've be creating theater and students had to learn how to judge whether something new that's never been seen before that. They were creating was good or not good so they had to develop a palate a way of seeing the world that they can make judgments about what they're doing and what they're bringing to it as well as when they go to the theater themselves to see things to make judgments about those things all these add up because of Use because of the way that they think things are important or not important add up to the conversation that we have about what's good and what might not be so good. So the best is not something you can teach but it's something that becomes part of the conversation about what the best might be. Absolutely and we talked about, you know, knowledge Rich curriculum. We often linked this to social mobility and I got into some trouble with Professor Michael Young And when discussing social mobility and he stopped me mid-sentence and said For people to be socially mobile. We need people to be moving down as well as up and he said that just isn't happening. So I guess the question I'll go around to is should we stop talking about social Mobility as justification for these hoop jumping assessments and micromanagement and not having qualifications as a means to an end that they're not shaping our lives without the sort of the values ideas and meanings that need to sit behind them. Yeah, and I agree with what likely younger said. They're absolutely the problem with social Mobility is like you say in order if depending on the society, which means of course that particular time but if you want this if what was the top job queen queen is the top. Well, you know Charles wants to be when he comes in would be Queen was be Kingdom they but in order for him to become king it. Queen has to die even so in the end there's some sort of is there room at the top for us all week. It becomes a thing but also all the way through that education is not about just having the top jobs everyone. It has a right to an education education can provide Solace tools can provide meaningful or said no matter where we are in the world, you know, whether we have a top job or non top job. You know what? What do you call the job of a nurse of a school crossing person of somebody who's you know, tomorrow is Dustbin day here for me. You know what what are all these jobs that we say? This is the detritus of failed education around us or these people absolutely right Cloud a good education as well because education is not just about a means to an end. It's an end in itself. We say that his knowledge for all you here's some Thinking for you to get engaged them to think about the world in which you're into I'm here, you know, if even if you go to the most important occasions of life, whether it be the birth marriage and death perhaps to to give us or traditional view on these things, but we're what poem do you read at these moments what poem do you read ads but you know if you're at someone's funeral do which one do you choose to? Some up alive or to bring meaning which songs do you sing at the karaoke which which which novel do you take on holiday? All these things are cultural judgments that you're making in your life about the things that you value the things that you care about education helps us in these things all of these things. It's a whole life not just about jobs. And yes, of course, they're important things you learn at school which can help in the world of work, but that should not be the justification. So having them in the curriculum the world of work should be taking on the schooling. We gave us full human beings and saying well, here's the world of work. And this is how we bring him these into our world work he does. So if you've got a job in banking or something like that, and of course mathematics has helped you get that job, but mathematics is so much more than just the job of banking. Absolutely. I think about that in terms of the context see where I work. So I Working at you know, a mix kind of area in terms of you know, advantage or disadvantage in an economic sense. But we look at sometimes we talk about knowledge as a means to an end so that you can be socially mobile which seems to naturally assume that you will move out of the area and take it all of that with you. So actually what I liked about what you were talking about was that the knowledge not as a means to an end, but to allow you freedom of thoughts to be able to make your own choices and really enhance the area in which Hu you live and serve. Yeah, and if there's a lovely play called the Pitman painters, which talks about the miners the ashington Collier E before the war and about how they had this trouble one of them particularly had a choice of moving away from the canary and becoming a painter and being a full-time painter rather than the miners and Pates. And there's this wonderful moment where he has the choice to live a life away from his family and friends if you like and he says no because it would take away who he is as a person and so he carried on as a minor who painted rather than becoming a painter who used to be a miner and that that such a Crucial Conflict and I think it is a comforter. I think it's irresolvable because you know, some people do want to move away and some people want to stay and some people when they Move away move to the big city or to somewhere else which is culturally vibrant apparently at the time and those who stay behind it therefore and Lawn culturally vibrant and I think that's wrong. I think home and away two very different worlds if you like, but both of them are equal in court we have to enrich and where we're from as well as where we go to as well and both those things become important part of education and culture is all around us wherever we are. It's hugely available to us and it's our ugly day. And it's to to say and celebrate your black pulled out. The only black people has such a vibrant culture at the that we all know about, you know, and some people might look down on aspects of it. But I know you'll notice it's strictly go there every year don't they enter the to the board and that's such a rich environment and that dancing that we see on the television. Human black pull down that history that goes with that that tradition is an important part of an education, you know, which is why dance should be in the curriculum, but she's why the Performing Arts are so important, you know, because there's more than one way of making meaning in this world and the Arts are a very important part of it. You know, should we go to Blackpool rock as well? I don't know you tell me we should always go to Blackpool for every kind of Rich diverse cultural experience that anybody could wish for definitely definitely my combat and social Mobility that mean the other point is social Mobility. Is it to some extent it's a myth but anyone can sort of be educated and then reach the top and it's as easy as that. I mean, there are there are interesting. There's interesting Research into this and I think they've done a surname studies right back to the Norman Conquest. In this country and also come up with sort of some sort of algorithms or whatever have worked out that this being hardly any social mobility in this country since the Norman Conquest. So we're pretty much in the same sort of order. We might be slightly better awesome used to be the but in the same order, you know, the the same surnames are at the top and the same surnames are towards the lower end. Should we say, you know, so us Robinsons They probably aren't at the top so much as certain names that we appear reappear over time. I can't think of you know, which ones. Makes the University California. He's done some work on this and he's come up with bleep idea. Pretty much we do not change the rate of social mobility. And we answer the social Mobility is still at its pre-industrial place. Even after the Industrial Revolution. The only time that there was any particular change was just after the second world war which was to to the changing jobs Market not going to educate. Ation, and the changing jobs Market. There was the big change in technology and also that there was after two world wars. They've been a bit of churn about it's only the male population and what happened to Mobility there was moving from industrial work to more office work that still we hierarchy remains in place, you know, we're in the same order, but we're doing slightly different work in that that's Be much what came out of it? Okay, so moving on to cognitive science. So we talked about the machine before so did developments in cognitive science leads naturally to an input output brain is a computer style curriculum planning. And why do you argue that the mind is not a machine right? Well, this is to lovely little quotes here from Raymond caliph who really helped me into thinking about this. the idea that the mind is a machine inside at use a quote from Richard Dawkins who talks about us. We're basically robots and and to some extent you can see that we have a sort of robotic life in somewhere. We Gene machines. I think he calls them as well Raymond Palace sort of comes in with an idea about how the input output and there's a problem with a causal connection the sudden put output and actually there is something else going on here. That is we could understand how stuff goes in is retained and then comes out in the we say things you know, so we can you can teach me something it can be retained. And then later on I could we call it what we don't understand. So well scientifically is how when I'm teaching that to somebody they look back at me and they're looking out at me and start and they're having their own thoughts and their own think that they are conscious of me and they're conscious of what I'm saying the making little judgments about what I'm saying as a teacher when when this is going on and the scientific World finds it very difficult at the moment to decide what Consciousness is and also about Freewill about having the choices that we have about whether we have symbol and this becomes an important thing to me is that the child looks at us and we look at them and we look at Things we're talking about it as well that the things we're teaching and that relationship to me becomes very important, which is not a purely causal one. I cannot say here are something it's the best. There. It is. Here's the best. I don't know is the best play here. The best piece of music is the best poem. Here's the best cup of tea. I don't know and they will not just accept it. They have their own version of this. So generally, it's we're done. The human being hit in which is the person who looks out looks like at the world around them and where does the human being sitting as well as the person who then has their own judgments to make a land their own free will within huge constraints, of course as the culture of time of their own genes, etc. Etc. Etc. That's still within that the human being is the thing that becomes important to me and When we educate for the human being we educate slightly differently than we do for something. That's just a machine is he like a machine that comes out with a grade at the end when the human being in and suddenly we have to see that we have to deal with this in a slightly different way subtly perhaps a points that we have to bring them into the conversation. We can't just Come to learn that stuff bring it. I to make them and then end up with socially mobile to the end of it that makes it clear. It does make it clear and I just think about conversations in the classroom with you know, why are we doing this so of conversations and then you know, you do find yourself trying out things of well, it'll be on the exam and you think I'll actually well. Yes that will help you to then get a better job and it's also a linear you mention fly past progression between I teach you you recall you Trot out. An exam you get good job, you leave area of social disadvantage. You become human at the end of it, but actually becoming human is part of the process all the way through it's not something that you achieve at the end of it. That's a human right in front of you. He came to see my first. Class my first class I ever told and he got a lump on his neck and it grew and grew and grew and it turned out to be inoperable cancer. And what what do you say to him? And he came to school every day. I was sick. He was he stayed from sixth form to 6. Ohm and he got all the way through to your so clean. He did agree levels and it was about six months after that. He died. And Lester stay with me forever really big because know what is he doing there? Like lastly? It's not about the future. It's about the mayor and and teaching him was a joy, but, you know a heartache of a story that goes through it and and he told me the rest of that that lesson to teach for meaning as well as the future of making sense of the past all these things come together, and it's so important that we deal with the people in front of us in that way. No, no, absolutely. Okay, so just may be onto the chapter on science. And st. ISM this really changed my thinking I'm a hesitate to call myself a scientist. I do teach science Our Best Bets and what has worked valuable starting points for a curriculum. You think I think yes, I mean. the if we say things like work with them William What would be okay such as such I think it's very important science is extraordinary and cognitive science her extraordinary important role to play in terms of psychology really important roles to play in how we educate our home. We think about the world and the world of Education. What what what I'm arguing for is that there are other things as well and science I think science can explain Wishing in the world to us, but I don't think that would be enough and I we think I'll hold on to is this Douglas Adams point of when deep thought he's asked about the answer to the great question of life the universe and everything and deep salt causes and then comes up with the the answer 40-point, you know science can take us to a point and say well here's the answer. This is it and everything else and then we sort of look at that. It's like well, yeah, but there's a lot of other things to do go on to understand what's going on here. So if we say things like that. What are we teaching? Why are we teaching it is very important as well. So it's not just recall anything don't the qualitative nature of what we're teaching and the quality can is a subjective thing rather than the objective thing. So the objective thing might be 42, but the subjective thing of what we're talking about and why we're talking about this and what value these things have. I don't think can be arrived at objectively scientifically. I think we have to look at these things, huh objectively and therefore go through very difficult discussions and arguments about what we should include why we should include these things and what value these things have and I don't think those things can be given a number at the end and say, oh that will make some more socially mobile or that'll make them have more cultural capital or all those things. I don't think it can come like that. We have to make subjective decisions based on values based on what we believe is teachers are important things to teach No, definitely definitely so just moving a little bit away from the science. So I'm going to look at extracurricular programs. We mentioned that before but just to go off on a personal anecdote to start with so child one as I'm fond of calling him on the podcast here. He said he's about to go to secondary school. So I've been on the tour of lots of different secondary schools to look at, you know, which one would suit him best etcetera. So we've been to pretty much everyone in the geographical location of where he lives and one of the It struck me was one school proudly said that they have an hour for lunch and they are not changing having an hour for lunch because that is the time that pupils particular people's at a disadvantage have an opportunity to engage in extracurricular activities and they run lots of lots of clubs and societies and sports activities at lunchtime and I just thought how different is that from perhaps many other schools who are shrinking lunchtimes down, you know, reducing number of extracurricular activities, and I understand that and I'm not criticizing. And for doing it, but I guess the question I'm Meandering around to is how important and underemployed our extracurricular programs and you know can schools help alleviate that the narrowing opportunities that particular disadvantage pupils seem to suffer from. Yeah. So School choir one of the most glorious things anyone could be involved in and I speak as someone who never was in the school choir. Let's see my daughter Goes to School choir and send the important. She attaches to that. the lunchtime huge Keys huge to get your lunch to know so you rush into the to you rush over to school choir and you see what more could anyone want and because it's not judged as a number at the end of it is not necessarily going to get you your last GCSE or whatever then people perhaps don't value it as much but for some kids Kids that can be the richest thing they do that day at school and it certainly can be the sort of thing that can hang around you for the rest of your life. Of course Let It Be chess club whether it be Dungeons and Dragons club or what. I think that's coming back in isn't it? Whatever it happens to be we've things that can give Sanctuary for some kids as well. But also Hammer artery camraderie not just hanging around together. Which nothing wrong with that but hanging around together doing something together is such an important in which they would you be measurable and but is it wise to do with his this is where Taylor comes in Is it wise to do it? Well, do we feel it why today is singing together a good thing is the choir a good thing. Yes, and that her Athena can judge it. That's how the machine. Machine might say yes, but we've got this High accountability coach we need to do this this this and they're therefore we haven't got paid for it and that's machine and a sealer in one conversation on one lunchtime about whether we have a long enough lunchtime to do school choir or we reduce it and we fiddle extra lessons on that etcetera Etc. Whatever it happens to be what's wiser. We're seeing some movement in terms of a dread to mention ofsted already in a past but we're seeing some movement in terms of you know, Daniel Moses work on the research of personal development, for example, so, you know School climates that are supportive and nurturing, you know, fit the context of the school. So actually we are seeing a little bit of you know, roll back from you should be spending your lunch time doing extra lessons catch up, you know duty all the laser things. Les Morts around you know giving those, you know experiences that people don't get us are really in the classroom. Yeah, exactly under education is a whole, you know, after I think are looking at the subjectively the things that you can't quite put a number on the importance of the culture of the school of the whole and and of course that that is also the community around the school as well, you know everything Thing that can make a community work in some ways that whether it be usually ends whether it be libraries whether we all these things around a school as well as the school itself and the culture that goes on in school. It's an extraordinary important thing and it's something that the best schools do very very well, you know, and if you get to a point where you're having to make choices about taking away the things which structure the institution You don't know how important they are included on that. We suddenly Find Out World perhaps we shouldn't have done that perhaps we shouldn't have sort of squeeze the ABS perhaps we shouldn't have done these other things that the choices we've made to increase certain things and decrease over things and these are very real decision schools have to make sense of re obvious and real needs that they have whether it be accountability whether it be Something whether it be the reaming all these other sorts of pragmatic Choice has come into play of course. Oh, I don't knock school to taking certain choices, you know, which which perhaps they would prefer not to take. But also where you have the possibility. What do you what do you do? Well, You try and keep together a whole and that starting time as well, you know to expect to start to work after school every lunchtime, etc. Etc. I think certain things have to give in Prague and I think you know, we have to think about those things as well. So how can we structure things in a way that's fair to staff let alone and to the people who fell but certainly think about how to make the cream We could slice of the school come alive at lunchtimes and artistically as weather during the school day and you think something that struck me as you were talking there is you think about you know, the damning I've go into lots of schools, but I work in the up quite a large school you think of the number of people that are outside at lunchtime and then risk data are required to supervise that number of Staff who people out at lunchtime and you think well if they could be doing something more constructive than just basically standing around and talking to each other which of course has its merits you know, there's nothing wrong with that, you know. The not sort of mobile phones because we don't have those but you know what you could think that the stats are willing to do that. So perhaps an extracurricular club or something would be you know, supervision and in Rich. Yep, absolutely and also there is an argument. since have subjects was on things almond which are you know doing the school play or what or being an orchestra during the school day not just at lunch time and or after school year, so it doesn't you don't have to just have subjects which are Going to end up with a grade at the end of it. So for example, if you've got a nice pose you got your payment 8 etcetera etcetera, but if you've got room on the timetable for nine or ten none came could be. Coin they could the school play. It could be orchestrate could be debating. It could be whatever they're all science club. It could be whatever we think happy to be with God just for themselves that you know, we can determine we keep we can and we do I'm just conscious now that Martin were moving into sort of password. I've called commute to length, which is what I like to keep the podcaster. So I have you got time for a couple more questions. Is that okay? Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Okay, so we pick up a couple of threads. We've mentioned earlier on so we mentioned Arnold's work earlier in terms of teaching the best that has been thought and said so you mention this before but how can teachers go about, you know, encouraging people to make up their own minds in an educated way rather than simply, you know going along with that to the best taste on said what quo the way I cook by kick in the book if we look at into leaving and juxtaposition and putting things next. To each other comparing and contrasting dialectic arguing. So we put things together and we've gotta say well she's instead of HE of this poem. It's the best we put together two or three poems and say right he's this point has this poem has this point. This is why they might be considered good. Right? What do you know about these things? But what do you think about these things? What do you think the best out of those and then we have both choices made by the people that that time Absolutely, just like okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking as you were talking there. Yeah, absolutely and and the other thread to pick up his I mentioned that sport to I was very forward to speak to Professor Michael Young and he makes a strong case as you know for powerful knowledge. And if you've got this right he talks about a curriculum that moves beyond the experiences that pupils would get on a day-to-day basis anyway, so he talks about you know, so it teaching things that you know, you can experience the teaching things that are you know in similar to what we just talked about with with on. So the best is still bad, but you talk about how you've got sympathy with the views of Professor young but your views diverge a little bit. So could you just cook out like a couple of areas? Where you differ maybe? Yeah, it's it's mostly point because I'm like we Michaels where can I get one of those, you know future once huge to teach the three curriculum now if you look at his teacher three quickly, which is the one who you know, who He extolled then there's something about I would agree with them so much of that but there's a couple of things that I do sort of worried about slightly in the point of what we be talking about. And that is its distinction from Common Sense knowledge and the knowledge acquired through everyday experience. I think I and I and I was worried about this in the case. I can see it in an academic sense. But what? The case of the arts and by developing and developing people sensibilities because to me that's very much working with their Common Sense the everyday experience and expanding on that and also its specialized moving beyond Earth and you just you just mentioned that we are moving beyond the not just the everyday but also it becomes objectified and it talks about a job. Ejected knowledge and I'm talking very much about the subjective side as well. But yes, there is more objective knowledge and I suppose there's also more subjective knowledge and I see that and I think it becomes particularly those of us who work in the ER and serious slightly differently, but we the knowledge report that is not objective. It is very much arrived at subjectively and through discourse and thinking about for yourself. Yourself into the picture. So those those are the two areas where perhaps I diverge somewhat. And the last question is Sir. That's okay. So you talk later in the book about the sequencing of knowledge. So how important is the sequence in to ensure that children can make meaning of the world? Yeah. Now I can say I think this becomes the joined up your Secret Kingdom. How do we call this story? The story becomes vital and the story starts with the beginning schooling right to the end of the and also carries on you know, the type of the stories can After the so it could be a grand narrative something that the pace modernist thought of as should be should have gone have destroyed around us. I think that the grand mal seizures is very important. They give us structure. They give us meaning meaning is from the stories the metaphors the way we see the world how we explain the world around us. They give us the structure for our cultural lives lives being in the culture. In other words being in the world. We live in so the structure of the story needs to be thought about what's the story of our curriculum. What's the story of our subject within the overall curriculum that we're telling and how does every creature sort of realized that they're teaching a chapter in that story and the ventilation know about the chapters that follow in the chapters of of come before and and how they actually tell that story in the way that perhaps opened up the narrative the later as well as perhaps brings the narrative from the Before some sort of semblance of understanding all the way through. Well, that's a nice Point twenty speaking about the chapters and I just wanted to say that and I said this to off are you know, I felt completely invigorated reading this book and it has really changed my thinking on a lot of those areas that we've outlined here. So firstly thank you for writing it and secondly, thank you for being a guest on the podcast. Welcome to waiting for approaching me and asking me to talk this morning is such an honor and it's so lovely. And if I want to if you want to come and physically talk about this, you know research at Blackpool would be very very happy for you to come along in March. I'm going to talk to us about this but I don't expect to live on are answered. Oh, well, I'd love to but you know, I've never been to Blackpool. The only time I've seen it is flying over to Ireland and I've seen seen the Promenade from above but never actually know so I'd love to come along. Thank you very much fantastic. So Last little bit. So are you going out and doing quite a lot of talking about this book and where can listeners may be find out some more about what you're doing what you're saying and where they can find the book. Well, I can find the book on Amazon. Oh, I expect they'll also ID and various research heads around the country and other countries and also work as a consultant. So I end up in the schools and other institutions and they'll be talking about it and program that curriculum generally great. Well, thank you. Again, Martin. Thank you for this morning, really appreciate it and great to talk to you and thank you. So enjoy talking to Martin there. I could literally a spoken to mall days of haven't seen the book or you haven't got the book then what are you waiting for get on to Amazon and get that order and have a read of Athena versus the machine so into the Shameless plugs section and and plug in something that doesn't exist yet. But we're going to be looking at a new Ed coming up to the northwest of England. So just keep The posted we've got more details on what that looks like. I just like to keep mentioning it so that Emma turn and falls off the running machine at this point of the podcast also mentioned last week Brew Ed Ozzy. 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And so again, it's moving from talking to teachers to having an effect on your practice. So I'd love to hear from you. It's not an onerous thing to do is literally record it on the voice recorder app on the phone in front of you send it across and you could be playing out. Hundreds of people every single week. So yeah, if that's for you so many male all the details on the show notes and on my website, which is near as NASA dot Co dot u k okay move it into teacher five a day and teach a five a day is something that I've been following and the passionate about since its Inception. I think probably about five years ago now Martin does a fantastic job of raising the profile of teacher well-being so teacher five a day as listeners will know promotes five. Different things so it looks like connect notice learn volunteer and exercise and there are blogs coming out via the teacher 5 add a Twitter feed and through the website and I'll be interviewing key people in the teacher 5 add a Steering group of which am proud to be a part. So thank you master for that opportunity as well. And I'm going to be speaking to Lisa fathers and bookie Yusuf, and there's also a national teacher Firebird a week, which is coming up pretty soon. So that's December the To December 6 this year to raise awareness of teacher well-being in every school of the country. So check out that and post your experiences via the hashtag teacher five a day. So next week. I'll be chatting to Tom Reiss about wholesome leadership. 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This week I am in conversation with Educationalist, Author, Writer,Consultant, Orator and Liberal Artist Mr Martin Robinson. Martin is a Teacher with 20 years experience working in state schools in London. Martin was an AST,Head of Department,Head of Faculty and an Assistant Headteacher. Martin is interested in developing teaching and learning building on the tradition of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric. We are nattering this week about Martin's latest book which I consider to be an essential read namely 'Curriculum-Athena versus the Machine' . This book has fundamentally changed my view on the rationale for a knowledge rich curriculum, moulded my thinking on extra-curricular activities and engendered cognitive dissonance when I consider Martin's views on educating for freedom. The book explores the educational value of a curriculum rooted in the pursuit of wisdom and advocates the enshrinement of such a curriculum as the central concern of an academic institution. Martin argues that teachers need to be liberated from policy-led prescription in order to design curricula which brings subjects forward rather than the pursuit of outcomes. TDT Section This week we have a TDT excellence hub school , South Shore Academy launching a TeachMeet as a way to promote all the amazing work going on in Blackpool . They will have teachers from the school and experts from all over the area sharing their wisdom. Tickets are available here  https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ssa-teachmeet-tickets-79868126717?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing Podcast Pedagogy  This week I am reading 'Talking to Strangers' by Malcolm Gladwell. This is a research based book which examines the varying ways we misinterpret or fail to communicate with each other. This is a real page turner and I recommend it to you all along with Gladwell's back catalogue and his revisionist History podcast .

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Hey, Bright like City. Thanks. I gotta make it. This is where it goes down. Well, we're back. We have a special guest concentration. So candle to you to my left children routes. What's up everybody? I'm robbing airs. This your boy Jimmy V and he plays the character of Jason missing, please welcome to AfterBuzz. Mike dope Ood, there it goes. But I will say it's Jason Mitch. That's right. Okay, and he is about his money. Yes. Yeah crying really quick. What do you think about the theme song that you did you like? My new one? You don't know how many people called me or with text me. You gotta change the song they have to keep the original and I couldn't believe even my wife was like it's it doesn't make me like the show as much as you Micah what's up? Yeah, bye-bye. I know it was crazy. Yeah. Well, that's wow interesting. Okay. So top of the show, it's revealed that to replan the entire kidding and the kidnapping Robin. Yeah me and and they are going to split the two million. Are you shocked to read it this what you know, what's funny remember? It wasn't until the probably the latter part of our episode that this Revelation came that he was pulling. This whole thing together. So I think initially I was I would have been shocked but then I think after that Revelation I'm like why wouldn't he, you know, kind of kind of get this whole thing together this whole plan. So yeah, I wasn't shocked. What about you guys? Um, I remember speaking with Michael one trainee at the carpet and he specifically said about his character. It's all about himself this season with that said, I knew he would do some lowball stuff, but I didn't know he was set up his own family. So I was I was hurt but The end of the day Tariq is clearly not the character that we've seen. Did you say you were hurt or yes. I was hurt. I get hurt how you gonna do that to your own parents Man 1, you know, well wait till the finale when he killed his daddy, you know, I mean just about everybody. Yeah, you haven't been killed off yet. He's got he had you're not the only one. Okay, so so ghost and Tommy. So after after has revealed that tariqa and Vincent set this up, so they're outside and they're talking and and and Tommy says let's get one thing straight if I come on board with you. I'm working with you not for you. And then he reveals how me reveals that he knew that Tariq was selling drugs and told him not to do it and He says you're right. We're not boys were brothers. So I'm asking you. Can you help me again? The brothers have come up again? And it's it's been this roller coaster this roller coaster and I said something a couple episodes ago about how Kate mentioned raising a black son and then I thought about it. We don't really know much about ghosts in his past. So this Brother sewing is coming out and making that connection. Yeah. Or you know mrs. Eakins, you know did raise him and maybe you know, she was with the dad like a son. Yeah, but something but something I feel like it's coming from that you think it's bigger than just friendship. I have to agree with you. I do. I mean I know they they grew up together and I think that's the main thing and that's where were the brothers. I don't know if their blood related but there is close to being blood-related as we can be. Yeah, and I liked it. I mean listen, it's ghost and Tommy. Yeah like His power without ghost and Tommy and I understand you have I mean it's power everybody's going to struggle for power and and Pull and all of that stuff. But that's why this episode made me feel so good because everybody came back together, you know, you have the Lakeisha and and Tasha, but they had to come together you had Tommy and goes but they had to come back together. So it felt good even though it may not last long, which is a great example of you. Don't let your emotions get in between when business has to get done which I'm sure you know all about getting The business does right? Right and the one person who does not know how to keep his emotions really quickly is this taken goes so after after it's revealed that the two of them are going to start selling drugs and get the 2 million within 24 hours. He goes to Tate and says, hey, I need you to loan me a million dollars and now Rashad 8 is now he's like this child now where he's pouting all the time. Yes. Yes, and for me, it's annoying. Uh, you know, I wish you would have been dead. A couple episodes ago, but it is becoming quite annoying but at you know, the one thing that you have to give go says that ghosts knows always he's always in control even when he's not in control. And so I just like the fact of how he was like no, this is what you're going to do. I have the video from Alphonse and you're basically going to do what I'm going to do and then you see him go to the phone and he makes the call make some calls. Yeah blackmail. Yes. Yeah, but you have leverage in order to make moves. That's all it is. Once again, this is power right speaking of Now let's go to Jason has no pronounce it Jason Mitchell, Michigan. So Tommy brings the check to Jason Jason immediately has red flags. He's asking questions and he plays it cool. He was like, I you know time of year, right? I feel like Jason is too invested who cares you have two million dollars. It's clean take your drugs and go I have to go Tommy says do you really care as long as you get your money to get involved? But Tommy and goes I've always felt that way I agree. But I think he's a psychopath. Yes, I agree. But I agree with Jason and in this instance you have to remember Tommy is a drug dealer. Tommy distributes his drug to treat to two-bit Hustlers, you know I'm saying, Like he's not he's not he's not Distributing his drugs to like, you know, using Hollywood or some but you never know. You never know. Come on. What here's the thing you never they had to start somewhere go started at the exact same place. Tommy did then ghost elevated. He didn't want to use his clubs, but it's I mean, there's all sorts of things. I don't understand why Jason is so upset if ghost and Tommy makeup, okay that I agree with but I do feel like Jason had a right to question. Why is he cleaning out his entire Warehouse? Full of drugs because you don't know where the drugs are going to be distributed to. Well the big thing about that is, you know, if you're selling so much product and then all of a sudden you're asking for triple or quadruple that amount that raises flags. He's a business and that Jason's a very smart businessman. He knows what everything is accounted for so for him and he's got to answer to himself and to the other powers that be as far as we're all this is getting moved and why he has to bring get so much in so much product. And so I think That's why he questions questions Tommy because it's something completely different you just on point. He's always ready for anything now for the writing. I felt some type of way because later on in the episode, obviously you step to them for something. That's old. Yes. Why didn't he confront them at that point saying? Oh this check it should be for what you already owe me. Like, why wait until later on good question Jimmy V because I think he was going to give some Time to it, but then he heard through his Intel that he has that's how he knows where everybody is all the time that ghost and Tommy are together and that's what sets him off. You have to understand. He's from day one. He said I don't want ghost involved and then ghost is involved. He's like fine. I'll try to deal with it. But then this season these sort of turned it around saying wait, let me see if I can use ghost, but he doesn't want to use them together. First day, I think he likes toying with them. Yeah, I to what may be part of them does I think maybe part of Jason enjoys that look he's in the power position. Yes, right. And anybody that's in a power position like that, especially in the criminal World. They they don't mind some that they have that bravado. They have some of that about them. So I think they want, you know, they want to enforce their power so to speak or or being able to put their thumb on them, you know, and I think that's one of the big things that Jason likes to do with them, but He also doesn't like to be lied to yeah, and speaking of powered season for compared to season 5 you you've got a lot more power. Do you approach the character the same way as you did in season 4. Yes the way I mean 6/6. Yeah for me when I first came on that was speaking with Gary Lennon is because he was there my first day and we really discussed where this character was gone. He was a big real decent big. Money guy from day one. He always had this money always had this power, but he's just expanding. So he wanted to get his serves already in New York, but he wanted to expand that on that, you know, all these guys that are in these power positions. So to speak they all want to get bigger and bigger and better and when everything's going well, so I don't think I just think he's more invested in New York now with Ghost and Tommy because he he sees some potential that he want. He wouldn't do Jason wouldn't do anything if you didn't see there was going to be a big man. Value to it Kwame MB in the live chat. He says Jason wants to control Tommy more because he knows Tommy is easier to control than ghost. Is there truth to that someone absolutely I really believe that Jason Jason really likes Tommy. He's got a fondness for him. Maybe she's a bit of himself and and Tommy but with ghost he didn't like them, but now goes to showing that he's realizing wow ghosts. Knows what he's doing as well my house. So I also think because to maybe two episodes ago when he when you confronted him when you came to start when you care to come from the goes to the club and he basically was like kill me. What you going to do like, I'm not doing it. So I felt like Jason I felt like a person of Jason's character always respects the one who stands up to them versus the versus the one who they can bully and I feel like he now respects ghosts more than he does Tommy and that he uses Tommy Kane as his pond. You might it's a tricky relationship right? Because don't forget also, he knows all about Tommy what Tom he's capable of. Yeah. Well and the thing I believe what Jason is that he thinks Tommy's a bit of a loose cannon which Tommy is and I think that's why he sort of feels on an equal level with with ghosts and feels like he can relate with him maybe a little bit better but he's got a fondness for Tommy. So that's where the relationship gets really tricky. Okay, so really quickly, so we're going to move forward and come back again. So ghost gets a drain off on so work together to push the drugs and return and return to get close to potentially be a district distro for Jake for Jason. So now we have Tommy and two-bit Spanky and black Grimace and so did two big Spanky have a right to not want to work for free. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You're taking you're risking your freedom. You're risking your life. I don't know what you have going on. You don't want to let me in pay me my money. Okay. So do you guys notice how how like grip black Grimace and two-bit are really really I mean, I feel like something's gonna pop off with them just yet. No, but shout out to us to Spanky. He is just hilarious. I mean, I love the comedic relief that he always brings and then we learned I guess when what was that a two episodes three episodes ago when like Grandma's favorite Avery when he came in or when he escaped in that? There's a lot of like what do you call improv and stuff like that? I don't know how much of that was improvisation but it was pretty good. I'm gonna disagree I do understand to bit and I do understand their perspective. But what annoys me about this it was it was cute in the beginning, you know, the the banter but now all of this freaking comic relief, Tommy is not his characters not happy with all of this banter. So it's like sometimes shut the f up and do what your ass when you were in this time. I'm sorry, but when you're you you're this is You're not this is not Fortune 500 where you have health benefits and so forth. Your life is on danger at all times and be exactly why they should get their money. What's right, but but the type of but the type of guy Tommy is like like like black grimaces pay me later. Tommy's built for Tommy's going to look out for them. So it would not have killed them to shut the fuck up. I will say the banter has been very repetitive that I did notice. Yeah, and you don't like it. Yeah. Where it's still funny because I like to always laugh of course. Yeah, but as far as your point about working there in that business to make money, so I'm not going to live it was finger. Yes. I know it was bad. It was 24 hours and I gotta disagree I disagree because I get it. I understand the Dynamics between everybody. Tommy is the head honcho and all of that and he's got his workers. But at the same time that's what this is. I mean, this is a team. This is you know, it's sort of like they put their their lives. The line at times, you know what I'm saying? So it is I understood when BG as they call them where he was like, you know what I'll do it just give me later like I get that type of I mean, that's what it's supposed to be like right before him and Tommy. I feel like they have a different sort of relationship where it's spanking and two-bit are newer to the crew and they've seen a lot of things change up in a short amount of time also as far as the joking I do think it's wearing a little thin but I will say what else are Street guys going to do when they're gathering together? They're not looking at stock tips. They're going to crack on each other. And it does remind me like when I'm just kicking in with my boys. We just joke on each other. Yeah, that's what that's what point. That's why that's why I liked it. And now whether its wearing thin or not, that's why I like it. That's who he is, you know, that's part of this character. So I mean it comes out and I enjoy it. There was a very important line though that I think we do have to address that's where they did mention you need proof of Life concept was later on in the episode. We do see how crucial that is, and I have a confession I actually Don't agree. I just want to get you started. So there was the sergeant did Blanc of our weakest. She has a new friend detect on the call. I just really quickly. What's your opinion? Do you like her or not detective McCall did what she needed to do. She showed sympathy to Tariq when he ran that Li, you know, you can see it all in her face as a black woman. She related to the story. He's fine. That's not she's there for okay, so it's so so bad. Okay. So after its introduced after they pulled James over basically they're looking for Tariq. So now let's go to goes Tommy Tasha Lakeisha go centers. Keisha says, well, you know, she says please what do you want me to say to him Tommy? This is the same MF who shot your car and thought he killed you notice it look notice it look over to ghost that time he gave and I'm supposed to shut up. So what's your take on Lakeisha and her popping off at the mouth? And speak into ghosts this just give me one. Yeah, go ahead. It's going to take it just like we spoke earlier Lakeisha. So emotional your face. Come on calm down. Y'all notice later in the episode when the cops were about to come through the daycare. She got so emotional and scared. Oh my gosh the cops like calm down. Right? So I just think she really needs to control all that and that extra to bit about her talking to Oh stand I don't I don't mess with y'all bah bah blah relax, let's get the job done. Let's take care of all that after. What was your take on when Tasha comes in completely pissed about not knowing Tariq was kidnapped and then and then she offers she it's so funny to see how the spark and Tasha's eyes when she found out that ghost is back selling drugs, but just to look just the look on her face. But what happens is she offers to She offers the house clean them to wash the money and Keisha has the nerve to step in and say no. Yeah, so here's the thing y'all. Let me know what you think. Okay, Lakeisha is really not about that life know right clearly. She's not about that life. I think she just wants to take her Tommy. She wants to take her cash wants to run away. However, I mean she loves Tommy but he's reeling her in you know, she it but she'll do whatever she needs to do, but it's clear that she's not About that life and I think that's where this whole anger, you know, it's like them ghost and Tasha. They're causing all of these issues and they're causing us not to be able to run, you know to this to this life that we need and that's kind of where it's coming from. I think that she is out of place because she doesn't really belong there. That's not really what she does. So I was wondering how did Tasha know that they were all that tummy spot. I know I'm nit-picking him. But you know, um, well member goes doesn't have a place to stay so You went to probably went to Tommy to two-part question, but she came through my door. Do you do you looking for ghosts? Yeah, she sure did. Do you have what do you think that is really? Good question. I she would have talked to Tariq. Tariq may have had some insight as well. Well, she didn't at that point. She didn't option to reuse can you know what though? But because Vincent told her that ghost and Tommy were in on this so she probably Really new to go to Tommy, you know, even if she went shopping for go even if she didn't realize yeah, probably right? Yeah continuing so with now they were in the daycare and Tasha is watching he should do the books Sookie. She's doing the books wrong. Okay, so she's not putting a certain amount of she knows so she's not doing what she doing and then dig stops in to collect the money and now Keyshia wants to talk and have conversations like their best friend. Everything about that irritates me. So why is she asking questions? And then why is Tasha answering the questions? Like they're not friends anymore. That doesn't have anyone to talk to go ahead. Yeah. I just think that's part of every once in a while when friends, you know a breakup so to speak and then they might have a drink or something will happen and next thing, you know within five minutes of talking as if everything they haven't left each other. Yeah. So I think that's part of that thing. That's what yeah the show yeah. I just want to know so badly and I don't even know if you don't answer this or not. As a viewer as a fan of the show because I'm sure you watch Are You team Tasha or team Lakeisha? That's a good. Yeah. I know. I almost I almost said something. Okay, Tasha and Lakeisha go to the strip club and epiphanies running shine even recognizer. Well, it was recognized Epiphany. I didn't you know, she had new Wiggy I just I mean is she going to look the same picking your child up from daycare that she does when she's going to shoot better at this. Club that she did coming to the daycare with a because she shouldn't get paid for coming to pick up her child daycare. That's not based on how attractive she is at the moment. I'm talking about never mind. We have a lot of heat for talking about Epiphany last week. I mean, does she look better right? I mean you still not gonna say nothing. She's a character. Save yourself. Yeah my still against the character if you know it was better. You know, like I said, I just the way that she presented herself at the daycare also to it for me the way they presented a her and the way she was in the scene now. I didn't know she was one of the top girls calling all the shots at the club. I thought she was just one of the workers just barely getting by so then why you so broke right here if you're calling the shots, and you haven't already Okay, do all these moves? Okay. Okay enough. Give me the other one. Let's not the strip club culture. If you know a nice trip just because you might get a thousand dollars in one night the next I might you might get 200 sucks it up and down. So why is she wrote it could have been a slow week, you know in addition to that. I mean she is now in a position where she's selling drugs exactly. So she has the world in a position where she's like we can all get more money. And so that's why if I think she was shown in that light. To you know, because it's a community because nobody Epiphany Community, you know, and she's putting her co-workers and friends on so everybody makes money together. That's how you uplift a community and we see this Montage of everybody is selling the drug. Yeah. Yeah. Which what was the background song? Don't go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was so good. I just I thought it was a cool Montage. Yes MacLeod. I thought it was a cool Montage up until up until dredgers goes and stabs the boy. What's that? What's that? What's up with that? It would it would not go down like that. It wouldn't go down and you know what made me mad too. Well, I mean, I understand. Okay, we have to shoot for the shot. We had to understand which way was doing so you have to pull the switch blade out ahead of time. So we knew what was up. The dude is looking at Dre like it. Oh you about to stab me. Um, actually I did want to burn because if you stab somebody on the corner, can you go back there and sell products? And now it's hot right now not a Block is Hot before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts. Every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV, but I'm real quick. They do that did get stabbed. He looked very familiar of His name is TJ Adams. He he actually plays ODB on whoo tanks. Okay, so I was like moving on up in the game. I see you. Okay, and just it just and a quick thing in a montage when Tasha was writing the book. She wrote the name Kimberly Jones. Let's Little Kim and she played Lil Kim a notorious. So I just thought that was cool that she wrote the name even after Little Kim was mean to her but it's super super mean ghost towns. I did hear that. Yeah. She didn't like how she like depicted her. And so yeah. Okay. So now let's Back to the drop-off so they get the two million dollars. Okay, they get the two million dollars and now there's they're getting ready to do the drop off to two events and who comes swooping and before that we had to go into the conversation with so yeah. So what are we so he said he says he asks he asks whose whose truck that he copped. He said it was grams. He says some asshole total. My car goes gives them kind of like that big brother look and then He's decided to ask. What are we doing Tommy? Do you think we should talk about it? What happens once we gets to read Tommy says we don't need to talk about it. I know the answer he was like, okay, you want to lighten ego says and then Tommy says don't play innocent are you packing and then they're going to deliver the money to Penton event and pick up the kid and do what we do. Do you feel like at that moment that that was the time where they should have had the conversation or do you think that do you think at this point? Tommy should just not trust ghosts and just keep doing what he's doing. One I think it was a good time to have the conversation because I think they need to actually know you know, what goes down after that. I think the vibe of the conversation was pretty funny to me not to make a joke out of it, but it was like if it's like one of those conversations you had kind of messing with a girl and she's like so you know, where are we exactly? You know, I felt like it was like one of those type of conversations but it didn't need to actually go down it definitely I felt like a relationship Converse, you know you got but they're like they're like brothers Wright brothers Robin and you know and sometimes guys have a hard time expressing some wrestling the examples. I've heard what we doing out here man, but I think that's what it is. And I think finally ghost is trying to get through Tommy has a just trying to figure it out and I think Tommy realizes that maybe it's past that point. I don't know but it seems like that's the way I felt. Out there in the cars. I'm like, yeah, I still love you, but It's done. Yeah, well bothers me. I think which is always bothered me is the fact that there's so much that there's so much that they haven't said to one another it's like if they cleared up so much they just sat and had a you know a whole day where they were like, well this hap this is actually what happened you thought this but this is what happened and you know so much could be cleared up. But to me that was them talking, you know, there was they left with the mutual understanding it felt like and I do feel like ghost wants this a little bit more he wants to you know, he's the one who brought up the conversation. He said man, what are we doing? You know what? I mean? So I think he wants to squash it a little bit more but like like Mike was saying, you know, Tommy I think maybe feels like okay. Well, what can we do from here and a couple episodes ago? Remember ghost? Call Tommy and said we should come together. Jason is playing us both and we should get together and kill Jason. So I you know, they're trying as best they can to communicate I felt I felt Tommy was playing the spoiled little My brother and ghost is trying to you know be the adult or the older brother and try to you know ration with him and Tommy was kind of you know, pouting speaking of pouting. So once the Jason and his crew pulls up Jason to me was in a pouty way. He says I can't believe you two are working together again. I can't fucking believe and I said to myself. Okay, this is the moment where I actually don't like the Jason character anymore because at this point now I'm now, GL now, let's walk together Jason. It's it's more than just a control thing. Now. It's something else. It's weird that he's so invested into these two people and if he if he knows so much about the history. Does he not know that ghost and Tommy kill all their distro head distros? I mean, they take everybody it's just there's something weird about Jason and that scene and he was very I think and I have a well I just I have a question too because Jason got the million dollars for the other things but he's still no further in the knowledge of what they needed the money for I mean what they need the drugs for to begin with and where they're going. So that's why I was just kind of like might be something deeper there because he still didn't get the information at least two what we saw. Yeah, he didn't get the information but the fact it's one of those things that it always works them that they work together. And the reason being it's not that he just doesn't like go so he doesn't like them together because there are powerful together. Okay, right if you think about it that way he knows if they're together in cahoots and everything's going well. It's tougher for Jason to take over. He's got to break these guys down try to break them down. They did take out one of his best guys. Yeah. Yeah, and and I think at the end of the end lucky he does have a lot to lose because if these guys screw around and make mistakes his whole empire It takes a big hit it if all of this throws it all these guys that have Tommy gets killed a ghost gets killed. It's going to take time to get other people in there. He doesn't want to kill them right now. He wants to make money. He's a businessman. He really wants to get his money. But there's going to be a point where you know, we're goes a little too far or he gets angry and that was one of the points where he got angry because he was he felt like he was lied to hmm. Okay. Okay after that they go to drop the money off to To Vinson, they only had a half a million dollars. So Vince and decides to get a bag of oranges and put them into a pillowcase and beat the shit out of Tarik. This isn't a gangster movie Man Wright says stronger download perfect. Definitely. Were you were you happy? That's a ra finally got some kind of yes. Yes. You are hand over your head. Yes. Well up until that point he thought he was in control come to find out now you're slipping brother. So yeah, but you know this whole will obviously the show is all about power but I felt like in this in this specific episode, everything was about power, you know, you have to Jason character where he felt when Tommy when he asked Tommy that question and he knew that Tommy was lying. He was like, okay, I got you. I got you. Yeah. Sure. Everything's okay. Cool. Wing grab is money. So like as far as Jason is goes a half we'll have fun. But as he said as he says your character says something like, you know, this million dollars is for like your debt is cleared for the weak or the months like you like your debt is cleared up to present. So I felt like that was his power position. So he won in that in that instance and then Vinson one over to wreak and that instance. However, go ahead. Oh, no. I was just going to give another example There was a conversation between go stay in Rome Ramona. Yeah earlier in the episode and that was another struggle of power there. And then ghost one that that one as well. Yeah. So what I've noticed throughout all seasons is ghost is supposed to be that guy right ghost is always in control James, you know, whomever whoever steps up whatever whatever guy steps up moving the first iteration however challenge, however, but he's always he's always Sort of empowered and even if temporarily he loses that power he knows what to do to get back on top. And since we are looking at to recore I you know, so many people have called them, you know goes 2.0 or whatever since we're looking at that in though. It may look like he has lost power and temporarily he has there is because he's little ghost. I feel like and I don't know what's coming up. I mean, we'll get to our predictions and everything but I feel like there's gonna be how does a Person remain in power in never have never fall unless somebody comes to challenge that and they show you why they're in power. I think that's sort of what we're going to see from Tariq. He's gonna yeah, you may have lost this one right now, but I'm going to figure out a way to come back on top. I think that that's coming. What are your thoughts? So they need more product. So they need more product because they already got so so they're missing - Jason you some more so, okay, so they need a million dollars and so now He's just feels about Tasha's connect. What's your thoughts on goes upset in and says basically that Tasha's file. We will all cease to mind his business that's once again the control issue. You don't want to be with this woman. You're not giving her any money. Why are you at bothered by what she's doing? Because as black Grimace so eloquently put it he says that with the drug money that they got from Zig it was only forty five thousand dollars and and that heat and the line that he said was he said, hold on one second. He said that that was not good. If you notice Tasha even warmed Zig about Tommy the reason that Tasha was found in this instance because Sighs Tommy and ghost does need to vet and make sure that this guy is legit. I she don't he is legit. His product was just low quality and all that but she didn't know that but here's the thing she didn't care because it's in the streets and they were still moving it that's not impacting her and it really didn't impact ghosts in them until they needed to re-up. They wouldn't have been using Tasha's connect otherwise know but I still feel like the fact that she is doing this all by herself. She should surrounded by ghosts who doesn't even want her to come upstairs in the penthouse. Why when it y-you sound by the way light ghost and then we take the y-yeah. I'll tell you why that's cool Ghost has a thing about him that almost wants to put Tasha in her place. He wants her to stay there. He's like you should be happy with what you have to be happy with the lifestyle and does not want her to do anything outside of him. So everything he turns everything on her anything that is not in the line of ghosts and things that he think is right. He always turns on Tasha think about that situation. There's a power struggle between the two of them. So it may be but right now we are talking about ghosts. And also we're talking about him on her in the fact that he always has this tendency to say if something does if he doesn't like something it's your fault. It's why did you do this? How come you didn't come to me it like he needs to pull that power play all the time. So, yes, you do sound like those three point. Oh, yeah. That is that is quite fine. And I'm going to keep moving on. Yeah, so fundraiser also the fundraiser so They don't got the money so they got they need another option. But hey, look, he sure came in handy, right? Lakeisha said listen, why you know it what what if something happens to trick you guys aren't thinking about that. So I gave them the bright idea to fold plan actually. Yeah, so they go in they go and kidnap Dancin skydivin since guy. I forget his name they go and they get him and hold him as Ransom. And so now they come up with this thing basically to rob the one of the residents are at truth. Yeah. really liked so there we go. We're shot as James. How did he get the money back and goes look surprised. How did the money I was confused? I was also confused established. Yeah. How was the money? Do? You know my I don't okay to be honest though. So that's something we can look forward find out. Okay. So Easter eggs, we love them. So he gives us so James gives him the drive with Alphonse then jury brings product to Alphonse then says that he's going to get paid either way Dre questions in snoops around he sees to bit and Spanky. And then so did rate so did Ray leave because two-bit saw him and even want to be killed. He didn't know I he just knew something was up. He saw a very confused. My opinion is that he he's working for the feds, but he hasn't come across Dre Etc and to bit Draya's and come across stupid and Spanky so he doesn't know what they know that he's on board with James any of that stuff. So to him he thinking I could get caught up in something. Do you guys think that girls should have told Oh Dre. What was going on? No, no, okay, you know I know but so I think that's it. So he got out of there. So the good thing though is that Dre doesn't know whether it was a setup or a setup. He doesn't know who the setup came from. Yeah, and if he knows because he's still dangerous and I do agree that it was good that he was that he was out of there and what you know, so Alphonse now was selling drugs to security guard. I didn't understand that I was going through it. I was confused as well. He did say I'm gonna get my money that I so yeah, maybe that's what he was referring to. He could still give money give more money and then get more money. Yeah, so, okay. So what would you guys is take on the whole shamanda whole thing? I mean it was a fun Caper Heist, you know, it was like I felt like oh, we're getting a little Ocean's Eleven in the middle of power. I yeah, that was it was fun. It was really fun. But I do think that they should have had someone else. I mean, I understand for the storyline that Alphonse needed to die in this episode, but I think they should have had like someone who's never come in contact with councilman Tate as the frontman wouldn't that would have made much more sense and then Alphonse definitely pissed me off so they could have gotten out of there. He was wrong, don't you? You from somewhere. I want it. What does that matter? Get out of the time. It was almost like his weed was laced or something. I wasn't mad that councilman take recognize Alphonse because I also think that even though he knows that that's James is Guy. Now it still leaves a layer of well, maybe this is a stick-up kid from the hood. Maybe just, you know, just all types of things that could have played into it, but It turned out well for him. So do you think that well obviously ghost wanted Rashad A to be that to be the hero. Do you think that go set this up just to kill off on snow? That's a great question. I don't think so Mike. What do you think? I don't think so too. Many things go wrong. Yeah, I think for him too, but that's a great way to put it. I thought L bombs went off script and James gave the gun to take I didn't think that he even thought that tape was going to have to use it. I thought that he was thinking that he was going to talk to him like I'm Talking to a part but I'm talking to you, you know, so that may be a click man like into his high but it didn't and we found out a lot of backstory about taking this episode that I was just about to mention. Yeah, that's why I goes even passed the gun off to him because he knew if somebody has to shoot him. Why not make it Tate who is a former cop so he knows he's going to hit his Mark and and can possibly Missouri right? Don't forget right ghost is always on point here. He's stinking one step ahead of everybody else. He's really good in a bad situation even figures out how to get out of it. And so I think that's exactly what happened. I think he said oh and opportunity just came up if I give him the gun. Oh if he does shoot him or what if he does talk him down either way. He wins. Yeah, Kate looks like the here and things like that. That's exactly what goes wanted. Yeah. I've I like that part. I just thought that it was a waste of a murder for Alfonso like just it was it was a waste they could have used that to kill Tater like a bigger character. You just I don't want to be a reason for tainted. I don't know why you're pushing for that for so much having a governor in somebody's pocket seems to be a pretty valuable chest piece on the board. That's a good card. Right, you know, shout out to Tasha James. Please give me some money and jobs because she peeped games. I liked when they were when he was being interviewed and she peep game. I'm not sure she thinks I know she believes that ghost is involved and possibly set it up. Not sure. She thinks they're together. But I like that she's peeping what's going on and she might be another one that is getting sucked in by. Well, we know she sucked in with James's charm but getting caught up and he has a plan. I'm gonna follow this man. Just leaking super quickly. You guys still don't think that Ramona and Tate have something going on? No. Okay. All right. I'm gonna leave it alone. Tate is trying to holler but I think ghost is in the way of that. Okay, so you think he's trying to upcoming Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, speaking of peeping game. You have to give it to Blanca Rodriguez because all her she's always on it. So when so when ghost and Tasha You Know Carl Vinson to set up so that so we can go and speak to the police Tasha brings them over and Blanca every time Tasha makes a move that we know is to be false. She locked kazim Blancas right there. So really quick, what's your take on two recliners? Lying to to detective McCall and and Blanca Rodriguez about the murder. Tariq is couple of stir. He knows what to do. Look how fast he came up with this absurd story, you know to get himself out of it, but will it come back on him is the question? I understood he is such a great actor, you know, because he made me believe I'm so tired of all these killings on my own let him go. Those dopes and so the return of to wreak so so when they went to return to wreak early and episode Ghost goes and speaks with cousin Benny and lets him know that he was possibly murdered by Igor Proctor was murdered by Igor because he was going to testify against him and a sex trafficking track. Yeah. So he then Benny was like if you need a favor I got you so then he shows up and he saves Yeah, he basically lets he goes up to Vincent and says Hey listen, so like if you got your money, this is it you do anything else and basically I'll kill you shut up again to Dominic Lombardo's he like he and his team pulled up like a boss boss is I mean, I just love anytime something like that is involved. I'm like, yes go. I just love most like Jason Stiles. Yeah, just really quick on that scene since we're kind of Jump Ahead. The conversation when Dominic says, you know that they're protected for life. I mean, I'm Dominic, I'm sorry when Benny says that ghost and Tariq are protected for life because they held it down. I feel like ghost is the only one that didn't know what was going on there like to me it was clear Benny knows that it was Tommy that killed Proctor Tommy now knows the okay Benny knows I killed tractor only ghost was like wait. I just starting to put things together. How does he think Benny know I think Vinny knows because of the conversation he had with Proctor before he went to ghost house. He said he was thinking about turning on Tommy He also mentioned that he was scared of Tommy that Tommy kind of intimidated him Benny wanted to get involved. He said no, I don't want you to go to jail. He could have gone to the family, but he wanted you know, he's been distancing distant distancing himself from that for quite some time in order to you know, make his law career somewhat legit. So I feel like Benny knows I feel like that's a good for me. It was good, but I feel like that. Yeah, and also the fact that Tariq is the one who dropped off a lonely summary there there's a tie. I mean he sees that Tariq has closed with Tommy obviously and even in that scene, like I think you're right about that like him putting two and two together, but I still think he might kill Tommy. Anyway. Yeah final thing before we ask some questions about you. So so ghost and Tasha know about what Tariq date and how he set it up and so now you see that time Ami that now that now you start to see that that ghost and Tasha or possibly now going to be the duo because now they know what to read did you see any comments? Okay, I should be okay. So so moving forward so Mike Okay, so How'd you get this Rubble old-school way I auditioned for and yeah, and I was doing a play in Ottowa actually in Ontario Canada and I got the call while I was there and my play was finishing on the Thursday night, and I then had to fly out Friday and I started Monday. Wow. Do you know if the fact that you speak multiple languages? Did that help you land a death think so. I would imagine so which is for the viewers French and French in Serbian. So many English and English, right? And so when you audition where you a fan of power we do what you watched a couple episodes. I just found out about power because when I'm up in Canada, I wasn't able to see it. We couldn't get it and then somebody told me about it and I watch some of it on iTunes and then I had read a character breakdown before an agent my agent was trying to get me in for a ghost. The show Power take a take a look at it and said, okay. I like this show. This is great. Right you had a really extensive background in being a stuntman. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I'm curious. Are we going to see any of your stunts? Are you going to pull anything out for powder? No. Mmm try to think of what there might be something but I don't know they don't really, you know, it's funny because nobody really knows that unless you research my stuff that I've done that or Which to write you've been set on fire. You've been hit by a car. You've been thrown off buildings thrown through a window. So I do you enjoy the stunt stuff more than the acting side or not. Which one? No, I mean like no no, no act excited. I always wanted to be an actor and my sports career was done in early retirement. Like tell them what's bullshit. Actually. I played hockey and football played hockey and the East Coast Hockey League, which is a farm system. Or the Chicago Blackhawks played for the Columbus chill and then I also played football in the Canadian football league, but I played at Southern Illinois University. I'm a Saluki so luebke. What position was running back ran about I was it's true. It's funny because being from Montreal it didn't matter to me, but everybody knows tell me you're the only white guy in the conference. Yeah, like what really it just dawned on me, you know coming from Canada, but right, right. Yeah. And the career went okay and cut short a couple knee injuries and that but I still find it successful and I always want to be an actor I did the corporate world, but then I started delving into acting and and because of my background, you know, my physicality with Pro Sports next thing, you know bumped into some people that were like if you ever thought about stunt work and I said love to I just want to be in the film industry whatever way to get in you'll do it. Yeah, and I was studying at the time to and I did a couple acting gigs little small role. You know one line rules here and there and then stop wise my career took off quickly. I started working on all the big movies that were shooting up in Canada. And then I decided to move down here and make it a go of it down here and then my acting career started taking off down here. So we you have over 200. Yeah resumes late. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah the Predator Deadpool to swats. Yeah Xin. You've worked with Dwayne Johnson Jason Statham Vin Diesel Will Smith out of all those who's been the who do you who did you have the best time working with? That's a hard question. I'm lucky. I have to tell you something that working with with all these guys. They've always been professional and great The Rock was awesome Jason Statham was awesome. I've done a couple things with Jason great respectful. Nice. Jason did something to me. That was great. We're working a movie called In The Name of the King a Dungeon Siege tail, and I had a moment there were our second unit. Do I don't care. Because I told them to his face so he was rushing me and I'm sitting there going. This is Mal. You guys are Russian and Jason being the number one lead of the show. Most guys wouldn't say anything. He came up to me says No you fight for you. Don't let him take this as your hero moment. He was like guarantee you it'll be in the movie. And so I said, you know, I'm taking my time. I don't care and he yelled the director yell got pissed off at me and I was like, I don't care nice and guess what's in the movie now that's are so I respect Jason for doing something like that because he didn't have to and he's The number one he doesn't want to take the you know, the the camera away from him and that was the moment where he could have done that and he didn't well, we don't know what's going to happen. Obviously with with your character and power according to Bam you are going to be Jason will be killed off. We don't know yet. But after we know that this is the the final the, you know, the final season of power, but you must have some other things that you're working on because you're always working. So what's to come for you? Well right now we're just looking at different things to be honest with you. Thing lined up right now this moment, but that's another reason why I've got a bunch of meetings this week and had a great one last week a couple great ones last week and we're just my agents in my ribs want me to focus on a couple other things. So we're just waiting to see ya that's what comes out. Yeah as Robin mentioned to you. We have a live chat room. So we've had we had a bunch of people in there. Can you just give a shout-out to the power after show live chat? Yeah. Sure, like now. Yeah. Hey, thanks guys for watching Power after show after after work AfterBuzz TV. Thanks guys, and there's been tons of comments like Flavor Flintstone. I Gene a bunch of people had a bunch of questions, and I'm sorry we weren't able to get to them, but we had a lot to discuss so, you know, thank you to everyone from the live chat whose damn does who tweeted us, you know having questions from Mike. So thank you so much. Where can you be found on social? Media, you can find me at don't put Mike on Twitter and on Instagram and then one final thing. Yeah. What can you tell us power AfterBuzz TV, exclusive? What can we expect? The rest of the season from Jason or ghosts or just tell us anything to not blow this right what Jason and and ghost and Tommy's relationship gets really interesting. Okay? Okay. Okay. All right. Well, we're holding on to that. Yeah. Definitely. We appreciate you so much for taking the time to come in sit with us. There's so many comments in here that says I love Jason so I mean obviously Loving your character. We appreciate thank you. Thanks guys. I'm an alternative for the viewers. We did a sit-down segment with the the actor who played Alphonse. His name is Patrick Walker that interview was put up on the AfterBuzz Channel if you want to go check that out go do that and if we could get him in the green screen room, maybe we can answer the questions the chatroom acts if you have time with you that will we put that will be great. So we don't have time to do all the our goodbyes. So we just thank you guys next week. We have another guest for you guys. Thank you. I found her Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz. See you later. Hmm, but he's expressed herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV. 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I can take you out of it copyright Bill Cosby. And then and then you say I brought you into the world of Spider-Man home. Yeah, I can fucking pull every I can pull the rug out from under you and then no more Spidey for you. And then they immediately have a tantrum. You're like, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I saw that sir. So sorry didn't mean to anyway look tonight. We're getting into girls and boys in the differences. I have a brother who is out to have his second girl. So yeah two girls and I have two boys and they're putting them in on the fucking ring pretty soon. Once their youngest once his youngest daughter turns five. It's fucking fight club City between are for kids. Well, your kid will be 14 of the time and I'm sure he'll win handily. Well, you know what you never know because girls are their problems by stealing their Wiley Wiley you had absolutely much smarter than the boys are at we're gonna get it. We're going to get into some real scientific. 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How about the old for this shit? How about that? Exactly? I think I'm older than he is then he is in those. Is right now do you think that's really a thing because all that I've been thinking but I think that's true. No, but I do think 43-year old men used to look they looked back then I 60 year old man look man. I bet you that. You know Tom Cruise is older than Wilford Brimley was in The Firm in The Firm. Yeah. No because they're in the movie together. No in Alien. Well for brilliant will not 70 when he was born could guess Wilford Brimley look 70 when he was born beautiful. Let's imagine he was saying that when he was 14. Hey, watch out for the and Ralph Macchio right now is older than Pat Morita was as mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid films. You know, what the fuck is going on, you know that my son. My nine-year-old is older and older than Yoda isn't isn't talking like almost 60. Yeah. Holy shit. He looks good. He looks like a piece of plastic whatever he's doing. I want all of them. 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If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for dead and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. So I have two boys. No girls. It is disgusting and affront to God believable. So I don't know you have two girls in a boy pick did shoes and did you have one did you but also did you did you did you choose to keep going to get a boy? We always going to have three did I have to the gender distribution have anything to do with having a third child? I'm not I came from three. I was my older brother myself and then my younger sister hmm, which by the way, it's very highly improbable that that Wapner boy boy girl. Yeah. So if you have two of the same gender odds are like be the same thing. Yeah to 90% you're gonna have the same. So the same thing happened in your in your family though. Just reverse my Other had three girls. Mmm. I had two girls and a boy. Hmm. So what that makes me in my family in my and of course is a wonder I think is the term you didn't answer my question. You know what I'm on a riff terrible. Let me let me finish. Did you have the third kid because you wanted a boy you just did you keep going because you wanted a boy. You're not listening. I did it because I wanted to spite my brother. Oh, okay. Okay, but you didn't know it was going to be a boy. No. But there was the hope for the so there you go. So yes just say fucking yes next time through the needle right as opposed to say say yes. Yeah. It was out of spite. That's why I did it. No. No, we had no idea. We were going to have a we're going to her happy three regardless, we're gonna have three you fucking crazy. I know I don't have three. You know, why because it's fucking tight unit. That's why yours is yeah. I dispatched my kids like Cloverfield enough a coming down the street over field. Yeah. Let's just throw a little baby. Okay, you know fucking clover. Field reference. Yeah, well, they're not sorry does a lot of fucking Cloverfield fans listen to this right now anyway, but feel so I wanted a girl, okay. Not for any like hardcore reason. I don't know. I just thought having a girl would be nice. We had like a name picked out. Did you have but you're both did you find your first of all, did you find out? Yeah, we found out for the first one. Yeah, so my wife had an older sister who passed away and tired of here. Yes. Thank you. And then we were gonna have our kid. I don't remember the exact timing, but she was kind of especially hopefully it would be a girl just says the circle of life kind of thing right like her sister left and maybe a girl would come right and that didn't quite work out, but I wanted a girl. That's something you can hold may be over your son. Yeah. Yeah, I've said that to him here now will we wanted a variety of reasons good. We had a girl name picked out like almost right when we met like we chose a name and we 1/4 kind of like they met that without we were like choosing kids. But when we start to talk about like what names we like? Okay, we both agreed on one or like that's going to be it and that never happened or did you do both boy we could agree on books. We didn't agree on our first son either also like the till the end. So the girl knew that Girl, yeah, and I just kind of like a lot of people think want one of each or would like some kind of even just a yeah, but like you said like we have found out sense that a lot of what you get is predetermined by the dad's side. Yeah. It's so if there's all boys in your family, I'm from a family of three brothers three sons, and then that makes the odds that I'm going to have boys higher except my brother who come from that same family. Having his second girl in a month or so. What's up - brother one of the reasons I wanted to world. The second time is because my first kid was a mama's boy. Let's just worshipped his mom and I was like, I want someone to like me like that and like there's Daddy's Girls. I kind of wanted that I want a little bit of this special treatment didn't happen another mama's boy. So I'm shit out of luck and I both got. Yeah, but at least I got the nieces. Coming or when these yeah, so maybe we'll have a cool Uncle Mike. Cool, Uncle Mikey's gonna be super sweet podcast just do this. It's just not about to listen to it. Sorry I mentioned it. But yeah, I'm not like unhappy that I have sons and you know, there's lots of stuff. I'd like to pass down to my son's it wouldn't necessarily be things. I wouldn't pass down to my daughters. Yeah, you know, but so you it's interesting because you're saying that you would have preferred to have a daughter. I wanted one of each two sons and I really wanted to have a girl when you found out we both wanted when you have a girl that you had a son the first time. Yeah, we like okay or we like yes, I was I was I mean, I was like, yes, I'm having a kid right but I wasn't like it didn't matter to you. Now. It didn't really matter. I wasn't like fuck like I see the ultrasound like fuck. I gotta know. There's a lot of dads really want a son that they can do teach the fucking drive monster trucks or something. Either I just off those kinds of dads. But who am I gonna fucking hand my dungarees down to first of all nobody hopefully because your lineage should stop at the word dungarees and the minute you say the stepping into carefully because rather watch again and just while missiles water we're gonna get into one of those slacks get the fuck does it there's a trousers. There's a that there's nothing wrong with that. There's one particular thing that comes up a lot that I'm going to talk about a little bit later after we get into some of the the comments about Who's harder? Well, let me just say that I think something that I've never really agreed with. All right, I can't wait to see it. I just literally keys wait for Sid. I would like it's-- the Kinder perfect discount code tight coming up later 20 off dad's. Yeah. So that's all company off Daddy. I'm Kinder. Perfect 20 off dad's an Amazon come December 1st. We none of us can wait not confusing at all. That's awesome. But I but there is something about the mom wanting the daughter and the dad wanting the sun vice versa. Binding and you think you're gonna put also hand me downs. Yeah and turns me down the dad wanting the daughter and the mom wanting the sun. I don't think there is it's it's interesting. How what happens is we, you know, these kids come around and before you know, it you've already have this, you know, like a connection with them. Yeah regardless of their gender. Yeah, you kind of are yours or you have stuff that you're bringing to the table before they're even around Right obviously don't know what that last part meant but no but like the point is is like I would prefer to have a daughter and I have a son and as you know, and so now I have to now you have to like readjust have it if the pivot if the pivot just like on in sin a Silicon Valley, you know, watch it those Tech. I'm just saying Tech we're talking tech people you talking to the show or just silicon Silicon Valley the place right? Because it's intense and you got a pivotal a fucking pivot. Sometimes I was talking about want a daughter and get us Sun moving a couch in his friends the more people can relate to that stupid reference that is actually pretty good reference but the point is is that you kind of you're bringing whether you I think that whether you believe believe it or not, you're bringing somebody Walking on Air. I know you're bringing your own you're bringing something to the table right? Like when you're with your unborn child, obviously you're bringing stuff to the table the sun terms of anything what you talking about tent in terms of I would prefer you to be a different sex. You're forcing the gender role that you wished for a kind of child regardless of what gender they that's correct. Okay. Yeah see you bringing baggage to the table and you were giving it to this child because of the baggage is way better word than intent fucking son with episode is over fucking hate this place. All right. So look why ask people what was harder. I also asked people who was dirtier got a lot of responses on both counts you talking the podcast. So where were you I was talking literal dirt pervert. Right, so, okay. So a lot of people said, hey both Ash Scott and that's a zero for the oh said trick question. They both suck. Yeah. I agree. Actually they can both sides Ashley. I assume tearing a Terran a Terran, uh, one Taron egerton. Terrain Terran T-ara any H1. If you want to go follow her they are both hard as shit boys are obviously dirtier though. Are they You a better perspective that I I will say that my son doesn't have the awareness out of dirt that my daughter's did. My diners are like it's just much more aware of what's going on and my son will just do things that you're like, why would you do that? Like, why would you eat? Why would you with your hand take pasta and then just put it in your mouth? Yeah, and then just have it fall everywhere get one. Roll is not concerned about the dirt would dirtiness in the slaps precisely. Maybe that's what it is. Well, somebody said and I don't know that everything I wrote this one down, but somebody said boys are dirtier. They just they just don't care like the threshold for just like this in my house right now like the threshold for a mess for my wife is a hell of a lot lower. Right? She'll she sees clutter and she thinks the place is a fucking Cesspool, right? Whereas I'll let it go longer because clutter to me is not anywhere near as big a deal. It's not like filth. No honestly because those Underpants and New York Times our threshold. I do the crossword it's trying but the boys yeah that I think that some of it is. Some of that is age as Toddlers and shit don't give a shit. But boys also at a certain point it doesn't register as much like as much of a thing for some kids. Although my kids are fairly dainty, but I don't but also I'm it's hard to tell for me because my son will do a pretty good job of cleaning up after himself. Wow. Look at you. Well, yeah because amazing. Well, my kids don't clean up. After anything, we yell a lot. So so do I pz so half an acre says she has both girls are full of SASS and boys are full of energy both are hard now. That's true. So this is an interesting point. My boys have plenty of sass. My oldest daughter eldest daughter is has an incredible amount of energy. Okay, like already shitting on half an acre. So Theory big time because half an acre because fucking came is wrong just showed up. Shut up to a gunfight news with a knife, you know saying yes shot so I got you got got so my eldest daughter has a lot of energy and people were like, oh get ready to have a boy. You'll never you don't understand how much and I'm like dude. Have you seen my own sort of like well, they just dance and run it a spin and pirouettes and yeah because out of all the time exactly and so I'm glad I never have to dance parties. That's one thing that's having girls. Oh, thank God what's different about it though is it's more Today's so my son won't exactly like take up a hammer and start hammering a table which I've seen before for boys, but he get he's so his body's so yeah any of the time whereas my daughter just more intense, right? Everything just is instead of like a level 4 which like oh, why don't we just do this? It's like oh what's level 13 so sweet Alyssa 78-77 who's Melissa Lombardi who comments and all our YouTube's says both are hard and come with their own challenges. My daughter is so She was my sweet little girl then turned 11. That's such an attitude. Here we go, Meanwhile, my son collect sticks and rocks and loves getting dirty. Anything can be made into a weapon. My nine-year-old makes everything he everything he sees into some kind of weapon. Yeah, it's weird. But also you're super into the prison system. I am I everything can be a shank or a sheared when I went to his house rush just sharpener. I went there and I was like, why why are we dealing with bars why I keep getting stabbed in the ribs, em, Caitlyn. Forces girls are definitely more expensive. I believe that the clothes and American Girl dolls, the your kids like that shit. Yes, so my kid likes video games and stuff that's expensive but not the girls can't like video games. I just don't have girls get off me Jesus. They do like video games, by the way, and my Barbie's dream house virtual world. I'm just down just make that's called The Stereotype and I was playing into it Super Bowls right Nate, but I think we can all agree that Mario Kart is the world's Mario Kart. Mario Kart, whatever you want to call it. What are you just shit on you can say either you're allowed but I think it's actually get em Caitlyn but also more dramatic right after Sweet Melissa says that her daughter is so dramatic. Guess what? Yeah kids are people too. Yeah, and people can be real bitches are Boston Bond forces. My daughter is more emotional boys are pretty straightforward. Both are equally annoying. That's true and that 26 is I have both they're all Savages quarto be for says girls have huge emotions boys. Are dirtier no kid is easy. So I think the point is is that the all children suck shit and don't do it. Yep, and the kids the boys just have this there's like an 1/8 energy that comes out of them whereas the girls will really think about and rationalize what will be well Italy like, you know dinner time and it's I'm negotiating like desserts but like amortized over four nights if nobody can if she can have a full dessert like five cookies tonight, but then four nights Down the road. She won't have cookies. And I'm just like I don't even know what you're talking about right now. You said amortized? Yeah, because that's what you say that yeah. That's right. That's what she said. She's fucking say-so down to you that she's a corporate m&a lawyer raising corporate entity 7. I forgot my God and I don't even I don't see any chance Sean CH M. I don't think it's pronounced Shanti, but I think it's entertaining to say that Champs champs as they both suck and are awesome the child Paradigm. I don't know if she meant to say the child. A dime or the child Paradox. I think they both were raising llama corn says the only difference is a penis and a vagina. Otherwise, they are both Moody emotional imaginative assholes mother Runner 18 says they are both hard as hell just different challenges. And the dad is the hardest one of all now that is some bullshit ouch. Whoa, the dad is hardest one of all, you know, what mother let your husband live his life. You know what he's not one of your kids Jesus. Yes. He's crying because he's got a cold, but he's serious. Just want to blow his nose. He's scared. Tina girl says one of each. They're equally hard in their own way. Ali and family says girls are drama boys are dirtier and funnier will obviously boys are funny or women aren't funny. I mean, that's a that's an obviously it is the fact for a reason because facts are facts. Can I just say first of all, my nine-year-old it is my daughter is the funniest person I've ever met. She what about me? Yeah, so I do want to thank my son. Can I just finish now if you I fucking wouldn't interrupt me. My son thinks he's funny, but he isn't and it's really starting to irritate everybody. I keep telling my son. He needs better jokes because they're fucking trash. You chokes. I say that's so hooks a trash but here's the best so my nine-year-old be like dude, you just you think you're funny or not funny like just constantly just shredding him and I'm like, honestly you should listen. And so then we have dinner as a family and he like then I just watch the nine-year-old now she's got chops and then on your humor is trash and then I bird dog him during dinner. You should be out there bird-dogging chicks One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Tight tight reference so I do want to say and I meant to say this at the top that obviously we're talking about our own experience and all these people who are writing it with a comma to talk about their own experiences. Nobody is really trying to you know, make blanket judgments on one gender being one way and the other gender being the other way, right? We all know these kids are all individuals, but we're done trials are dirtier and funnier than boys and some boys have are more dramatic and less energetic than some girls and all this shit. Okay, so, A disclaimer alert, you know, we're not some Neanderthal is where woke his fuck. We do have to do this. There are people out there who come down. I wrote a thing years ago about how I might so my fucking woke you I said virtue signaling. My son has very good friends. We have very good friends who have twin girls and over the years. We've hung out a lot together the exact same age as my son and will like go to their house and my son will fucking run rampant and be a lunatic and the twin girls will be like doing their own Fang and like drawing or doing whatever arts and crafts and shit. They do a lot of the same stuff now, but for a little while there was a stark difference that I could notice and I wrote a blog post about it like how you know, this might be kind of nice to have this or that or whatever the girl seemed to calm her and can play by themselves better and literally knowing what would happen throughout the thing. I was like, I know this doesn't go for every girl or every boy and do this all over the place and I still one or two people are coming at me like I'm so disappointed. In this page is there's a stereotypes. I'm like dude. I'm like, I'm not trying to fucking first of all stereotypes do have some basis in reality for sometimes. That's why they become stereotypes. But yeah, I was saying a hundred times. I understand not every kid is like this. This is the experience I've had with these girls and my son and what I've seen get off my junk. Oh my God, right? Well, first of all, I'm so glad you got that off your chest. Thank you. So I did so a lot of people did write in and say so and supple said I have two boys and two girls in my experience. It just depends on on the child and not the gender. I agree with you Mellie 1980 says my first girl easiest can be second daughter is so wild, right? So two kids were both girls and they themselves are very different from each other. We're tipping on a different guy. So I don't fucking talk about this so bad. Don't talk about it so bad same family different kids. I'm different attitudes different different personalities. Not as it might be very different. But did you think you were gonna have three kids who are exactly the same personalities? No, Thinks that I wanted it, but one of my sighting here's what having kids is not knowing what you're going to be like I fucking put extra fluoride in the water. Well, I have they turned into gay frogs yet. Not yet and I'm tired of having sex with these super straight frocks. Give me wow, the I extrapolate that out and it's going to even darker places. Yeah. I mean don't extract so plugs bug ciskei says, I don't think it's the gender. I think it's the personality and my son is waylaid back and has never talked back my daughter. I was an asshole from birth. Yeah, there we go. And which one was older and which one was young girl will get so this is this is the episode topic you want to have some time. It's like what what if what if maybe it's maybe it's where if Mercury was in retrograde when they were born as Scorpios, that's maybe it was their birth order. Maybe it was their gender. That's the first smart thing you've maybe it's the fact that you listen to Mozart in the womb and your sister didn't I never listen to any of those things understand? I'm spitballing here. So underscore yellow umbrellas that all of these ones. I feel like they were like scolding me to tell me this. I have one of each and believe they're different based on being individuals not gender like look. I know I know but look at the topic right nice and yellow and brown people see think about camera versus boys. You see you have an annoying son who's a hyper jerk and you see a little girl who's in the corner drawing by yourself? There's no fucking way. You weren't occasionally like, oh man, that girl looks easier. Yeah, but also maybe there's something Wrong with that girl. Have you thought about that? How well the Imagine? That's the imaginary girl. I just made up dare you you know what she's been vaccinated and now she is ought to this good. Wow, God damn. It. Don't tell K KW / 7 Earth hashtag Flat Earth. Hashtag, Alex Jones, hashtag a frog's hashtag straight from stop saying hashtag. I want to say straight frogs. Okay. Oh God. This is a hashtag. That's the hashtag symbol. That's the Nate was doing to peace signs ironic because there's nothing peaceful about a fucking hash tag the tearing the world apart social media. Hashtag social media is toxic. Okay subscribe on happen. So now we're going to get into it. So the whole people talking about to get into it now, it's harder girls or boys. Okay. Here we go. K Donne 0 8 says boys are easier. That's all she says boys are easy is what I like. The M or see McKinney with to wise says girls are much harder and dirtier filthy creatures. It sounds like the Goblin King or something see McKinney is I mean I either am arm like a matron School Monica schoolmarm, like in the West in the 1880s and the Prairie 15. Yeah or has never never seen a girl filthy creatures. I think she's like a preacher from I know what you're saying. Yeah. Like Rosemary's baby's mom not Rosemary's baby's mom book the mother of Rosemary. You dumb shit. Okay. Rosemary's baby's mom is Rosemary. Okay, so I can't even 35 who has the worst Instagram name, which is i period underscore period can't period underscore period even period 35 and you know, does those dot peers it's like period on it appeared. So it looks like a face a face like a nonplussed face like a Can't even 35 you listen to this change your handle now, you can never tell somebody. Hey Follow Me Maybe. That's the point but it's very annoying for me to have to share one of your comments. Just I can't even 35 can't even 35 girls are way harder and dirtier. I'd rather have 10 more boys than one girl it. Wow, 10 more boy and more boys temps again has a girl so she has been apparently. Yeah. Okay, Gordon underscore tribe tenses girls are crazy emotional all the time boys are just a Active at that girl's heart that incendiary. No, I think that's a fair girls are crazy emotional all the time. Sounds like something the president might say, yeah tug, your college. No, but I will say the ratio to long hair around random things is way higher so literally nothing to do with emotions well, but at the same time I didn't have long hair and I still got my hair caught in a home in a portable. Shoe polisher. I told you that story right what when I was a kid, I don't know whatever they did you polish and I was a kid. I was like four or something might listen. I'm fucking know how to describe it. It was a handheld kind of shoe polisher or something and we're at the kitchen table and my older brother who is 10 years older than me. So he was probably like 14. Maybe I was three, so maybe he was 13. Yep. Somehow got this thing caught in my hair fucking he did. Yeah, so it wasn't you it wasn't me. So your brother self my brother your brother have any fucking sense? Okay. Is this the brother with the daughters now? This is the older brother. He's a bachelor is not a bachelor, but he doesn't have kids. So there you go. Um, but yeah, so my scalp is all fucked up think that's why nobody really remembers much about it. I asked my mom about it recently. I don't remember I was a three or four. Yeah, but I know it happened. Why do you why are you so convinced? It happened? Maybe it did. I know what happened. What do you mean maybe didn't your three? But I just know what I want to know her the fucking family. I remember nobody remember it you remember everybody else? Maybe I just don't remember how it happened to the context of it. I just know it happened. Yeah, this is episode five thousand. It's going to be all about the fucking this portable. The Earth sign is swallowed up by the so P. Go8 302 says boys are way better. They wear anything and don't require more than a haircut or a shoe polish get it the Callback to the story. I just told you know what that's good, but it's also ripping their hair out which I didn't hurt. It hurt. Not a fan sense. Memory is still there for me. I can the trauma they wear any figure has true. He never know. You'll never know. What's for breakfast says I have both people say boys will be boys. I feel people say boys will be boys. I think she's saying that it's easier to like dismiss what boys do and they get away with more but girls are harder dirty or more energetic. So a lot of people see there's already a lot of contradictions here. A lot of people are saying boys are more energetic and active and then other who are coming like not so fast pal. girls are You know what it is it what is it? It's the it's the head-butting with the boys. I just it's just Anna punching in the nuts and just why you come up to someone that like to inflict pain. Yeah physical pain. I don't know girls like to inflict. It's mental and psychological. You know, that's the girls that I've known Adam. I love you Parenthood. Have you seen the movie Parenthood I have with Keanu Reeves and Joaquin Phoenix back. When his name was Leaf. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. He said the kid has put the bucket on his head and starts right and Buckethead from Guns and Roses. I think you're thinking I've known over four slash shut up. There's a scene where the kid puts a bucket on and starts ramming his head against the wall and the kids I the dad's ago is going to be a toys will be boys, right? So Rick Moranis exactly and the and the and the other parents are horrified and no no opposite Steve Martin. I think whose son is doing that and then Rick Moranis is who's like raising his like super genius kids to like recite poetry. Its or whatever Steve Martin's kid is like as a lot of Xiety, yeah retainer and he's can't catch the ball and the Outfield but but there's there. I don't think it's Rick Moranis is kids are all super high functioning and are doing all the tests. All I remember about Rick Moranis storyline is that he's losing his wife and then he goes and sings that fucking terrible Carpenter song. Why do I suddenly at the point being is it's the Carpenters, right? Yeah. Fuck that song and fuck these fucking kids with this fucking buckets on their heads. The boys are have much more. Yeah, they're much more. They're much more physical. Let's put it that way physical physical energy. We're gonna get into it as opposed to mental energy right Missy gets into I get you just did. Mr. Gibbs into says I have a two-year-old daughter and a four-year-old son girls are so much harder all that attitude boys can be super sweet though. My daughter is also much dirtier. My son doesn't get into much but my daughter is drawn to every pile of dirt. She can find again. It's on an individual basis, right? But also the you know dirt can be like glue can be also a crafting can be all sorts of different things. Right like the yeah smooth. So so I think that's the other thing to consider here is like dirt dirt. Like are you just going into dirt or is it oh you cover your hands and nail polish or you've like colored your hands or you put marker all over your face what you know, all of that shit has to be washed off neck. Underscore 13 says one thing I found difficult with our daughter all the fucking drama. Then he said that I said that she said that if you have that with your kids, yeah, your daughter's my daughter's in middle school. So it's fucking constant. Yeah, it's real. Yeah. Well my kid. Well, we have one kid who's the same age right and not in middle school yet, but I get some of that drama. It's just hard to get my son to tell me anything about his day and stuff. Yes. I'm with Michael tell me everything about what fucking happened in the latest fucking Zelda mission, right? So annoying I say shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear it. And then and when I asked him what I do want to hear something, he won't tell me I don't know why I don't know. That's weird. I shut the fucking shit. You're fucking tell me this other story Little Tremor 80 says with girls. I find there was a lot of whining and sulking maybe boys would be more easygoing know they would not be I get so much whining and sulking for my kid. I already am experiencing what girls are like, it's cool with each other. That's a worry for high school because This can be really mean even if they're meant to be friends. I already see them all being like that at age 5 maybe boys are more easygoing socially like less politics. My kid is constantly wearing his Maga hat and being like yeah Trump 2020. So that's all about this politics about that wall, which is amazing. They can't climb that thing. It's too tall. He says I'm like buddy and honestly, it's the most beautifully built while he's ever seen. My other son is like billionaires shouldn't exist. So I don't know boys seem like they get pretty pumped to I'll just say not what she meant. I can I can say he's from fucking Nottingham Forest Brooklyn. Listen, Brooklyn Middle School. There's so much fun Sherwood Forest Sheriff of Nottingham. I conflated it to Robin Hood references in I fucking blew it. You fucking blew it. But but I will I will little charmer 80 has a very good point about fucking Middle School girls are real bitches. They are bitches. Are they? Yeah. It gets real serious. It gets real fucking serious. I've heard the rumors. I've seen Mean Girls. How old are they in that they like sophomores? Yeah, they're sophomores but I mean it starts early where these well that's because of all the hormones in like the GMOs in like chicken breast and stuff. It all starts a lot of mean. I don't know what it is exactly but it got it's been real for us to I mean, it's been it's been tough. So my eldest daughter we're getting into there's a section here later about the changes with age, right? But so the real Jason Thomas the real Jason Thomas who have interacted a little bit on on Instagram. He makes a good point that we've been talking about. He says boys are assholes girls are sweet, but they'll fuck you up mentally for the rest of your life. Yep, some of this I wonder are people like projecting from like the way they've been treated by the girls. They've maybe dated all the girls. They love before Netflix. That was a Netflix movie reference. I haven't even seen it. That's the title. It's also a book don't care don't even know why I do these references sometimes. Yeah, they're not for you. They're not even for me. I just say them don't do it. Yeah, I just teenage suicide. Okay, that was another reference but I'm not even gonna say what is from which you know, what are we doing here? So so you do recognize a chilly chilly be besides Jellybean 38 and I ripped out the Staples because who uses Staples in 2019. I got Jelly Bean 30s Jelly Bean underscore 38 boys are way easier girls develop that Sassy pissy stage really early at like nine months. Yeah, she put like a smiley face emoji or an A LOL, but I don't transcribe that part it. I think yeah, I think that there are tell me again. I don't have daughter. So now your daughter is sassy and pissy all the time. So there's two so it's hard to it's hard to be accurate about this but I have two daughters but also age order plays a big factor in it, right? Like well first Teacher episode. Don't fight it. I know I don't do it, but I will That my alright. So my eldest daughter is super high strung very very capable. She's a corporate m&a lawyer in training amazing amortisation a murdered. Well sheshe amortization. Yeah. She means like I'm not getting into it. We're not getting into it my middle and my middle kid my daughter. My nine-year-old is like a cross between the dude and will o the Wisp like she's Just like you're like hey get off the couch and she's like, okay man, get off the car. Yeah, okay, but then she melts it's like all the way to China like she'll just she'll just keep going like you can't stop her from the melting. He's gotta run its course way down into the ground and my son is just the kind of a mix of like, you know, you're sweet. One moment. You're being a fucking dickhead the next moment and Jesus stop whining. He is the busy Gemini come on. So it's even worse. It's cancer in more ways than one. Yeah. No. No So speaking of boys. Yep who are Cancers are in pain Jones says boys are harder and dirtier CC this is so much of it is just the exact opposite of what everyone else was saying about girls so much harder boys are way less expensive. I do think that's fairly definitive until maybe the boys get into like sports and boy boys tend to eat more like growing teenage boys eat a shitload more and if they play hockey or lacrosse because they're part of the 1% They have a shitload of equipment. They live in like New Canaan, Connecticut. Oh my God fucking lacrosse. They're going to Duke God. Nobody likes you nobody God if you played lacrosse in high school you odds are you pretty privileged and not that good of a person no offense to everybody listening. Goddamn my God, honestly a little bit of a fan little bit little bit. Look, that's pretty true. Kay kay kay, 27 says I only have a boy in the toddler years were a challenge. He also prefers me over my husband. So I get 90% of the tasks with him. I think that's why she's saying boys are harder because hers don't leave her workers won't leave her alone. But this is my thing where I said earlier, he prefers me to my husband right? There you go. One of the reasons I wanted a daughter he's a mama's boy is because at least early going they like to let other one a little bit more. Let me quickly set the record straight none of your kids like you buddy dad with Dad. Yeah, everyone guy comes in and it's like moms have a leg up guys. It's the the biology again. No, I'll come home and they're like, oh, yeah for 15 minutes and then everything goes wild in the my my wife's like you just fucking ruined. We were having dinner. Yeah. I'm like, I know I came in fucked everything. I just came I literally just came in the door and like I know but now everyone's Wild What are you gonna do about it? And I'm like, I got it. I'm going to the bar action and go to the bar. No. No, I just take some black tar heroin date of bows days. You take some yeah, I take it take some black tar heroin and call me in the morning. No, don't call me in the morning. Fuck Dana posed a says. My son is way more emotional in every way sadness anger happiness than my daughter. He's harder. She is more chill, but I wonder if it's birth order more than gender. Well, there we go, birth or get into it. So let's not. I mean we want to get into this again. It's all just speculation man. Is that it birth Road? I think is it 4th order Ian tiffa kits from Instagram dershowitz from Instagram and someone wrote it and we printed it. He sounds like paper. So the gender shit I think is more like there are societal things that affect the way you raise kids based on their gender and the way Society treats them based on the gender the Starter thing is more like the dynamic of the family. Yeah and stuff a hundred percent. I think they probably both have some bearing on kids personality. But there's also personality there that is just who the person is when they come out and then all those things the way they impact and filter through that personality changes at all. I am I would actually test what you are. I just broke you down like a lighting it up motherfucker except for me is so impressed up for the gender part. I don't know. I actually don't know if we treated a by son played with Barbie doll. Like you know know I like I did with my point is is I think today in today's age like gender is not an issue. It's more just birth order. It's more just got in Bruges getting the attention you sure. Yeah, I'd like I think gender still doesn't it's a battlefield out there. For some reason. I'm on some mailing list from some really conservative group. And today I got I keep wanted to delete it then. I'm like, I kind of want to see what they're going on about. Usually they're mad. Thirteen Reasons Why glorifying suicide and then the telling people like boycott places and today they're talking about how they're boycotting Target and I think it's because Target they removed gender labels from their aisles and from their clothing and stuff so that like, oh, that's why whatever you want and I think they maybe have gender neutral bathrooms, which those are these people are terrified of for whatever reason. Anyway, I do think the Jenna Thing you gonna go you just walking around me. Like should I buy this shirt? Is it a kind of small sure, but when you're that little more about when you're a little kid and you if you want to if you're a little girl and you want to buy a fucking Star Wars sweater, first of all, if you're like, why is this only in the in the little boys section that's fucking stupid, right? How's your little boy? Who wants a fucking Easy Bake Oven? Why should that be in the girls toil or whatever? How about this make it easier for parents and just Can take half the Star Wars sweaters and put them in the girls section 2 that's essentially what they did. Okay, and don't take down the boys and girls sigh never care. What am I going to walk around the aisle? There's another different waiting on shirts over T. The fit problems. No fucking difference in what you can wear what you can't wear. Listen. I want to wear a size small child wear it next week, please but I do think the gender thing is a real issue and it's a Battleground in the lot of places Okay, we live in a pretty liberal woke bubble where we don't care about that stuff because we're better than pretty much everybody else. That's actually fucking great point. Maybe we should not do we high-five or what do we do now? I mean fist pump after the show Good call. Um, so Mom of twins 1714 says I have five year old twins one boy and one girl. My daughter is by far the easiest one. She has more sass what she gets for me. So I know how to handle her. My son is off the walls all the fucking time from sunup to sundown. He doesn't stop my daughter will Quietly with a toy as well as my son will destroy all of his right? That's kind of The Stereotype right the daughter maybe she's sassy, but she can play by yourself when she's quiet and is the kid is destructive and loud and off the walls and stuff. I think I'm giving my son a hard time after reading this because he's you know what he'll wake up and he'll wake up early, but he's a good sleeper and he'll come in and be like Daddy, you know, it's like six dot dot o 4 Or I'm like, all right, so go back in your room and read in the okay and then like 10 minutes later. I'll come by, you know, but you can you can talk to him and he has that kind of what are you making them Read Moby Dick Warren piece because the other one I almost said that instead honestly, he's tearing through it wearable fucking Tolstoy is a hack. It's really honestly, it's a whole thing. It's a little shit Sierra de Roxanne says, my son is ADHD. So he's on 1000% 24/7. He's definitely Into his butt farts smelling things. Yes or no, but dirt smell like things Sports Etc girls are easier mild-tempered listen better cleaner, but still fun. So my son also has ADHD. Yep. He is fucking past like the couple of months is obsessed with his but saying but poop. Yeah dancing around shaking his butt in your face kind of shit. I'm like dude like elevate your material, right? This is some bullshit. Let's go. All right, let's do some woke. Yeah, not even walk material just funny things. This isn't a Sprint or a to it offends. You need your calls your friends. Give me some fucking issue ensure a one as a little bit more cerebal. Yeah, you can kind I have standard you need some content that you want me to share some stuff. It's not going to be you shaking your butt. Okay, you gotta bring it harder than that people expect a certain level of quality from Dad and buried and then Detective Munch the bars pretty low Sergeant underscore die. Also known as Sarge says training my boy to stand and aim is a horrific task. Okay, I worry about the I just tell him I just tell him lift the seat which he never does. I haven't ever given him like a naming tutorial. Yeah. I mean look I think sarge is doing pretty good. If he's if this is the sounds like he's not a tough toughest. Well also maybe he's kind of needs to chill out a little bit because yes are just chill out, you know in the Army anymore. Yeah, your son will be straight. I mean come on viral dad's which is a funny page. You guys should check out virals as an Instagram says you don't Have to stop plant. You don't have to say stop playing with your wiener 10 times a day to a girl. So there's that. So that's a question. Do you have anything like that with girls and he liked the the fart shit. So somebody actually said my my girl ran up to me and said her sister had pulled down her pants and fight it in her face. I can't find that comment. Yeah, but she was like girls do that shit to my man. Oh, yeah, here it is. She said it was again chanko underscore Daria my daughter just ran out. To me saying her sister pull down her pants and fried it in her face. So I have both boys and girls girls can be just as rough as boys obviously boys are more but that's shit. Still happens. Your kids do their your daughter's doing it. Daughters are more psychological. Have you ever had to say to your daughter? Stop playing with your wiener? Like viral? Dad says not at all. No, but I'll even when eating a hot dog, so My daughters will have completely like boxed my son in in some sort of emotional state before he's in for last case was seven o'clock. Yeah, so he'll have my son will have promised to give my middle daughter like everything in his room all the toys because he let her or she let him watch five minutes of his show and then it stops and it mean Wait, what's happening? And she's like, oh we watch five minutes. So now you your choice you give me all your tests and then all of a sudden just a whale will go up like what I didn't know you didn't understand the terms of the deal. And yeah, she's like tough shit motherfucker, you fucking owe me and guess what? We hold up to that shit in the but it's no really you never had to say stop playing with your wiener to my girls. Yeah, but sometimes you Jennifer Winn says I've got to Daughters and a son just like you and each child has his/her own peccadilloes. The only truly gender-specific difference that I consistently see is how to put this delicately he's obsessed with his junk. I know he won't really grow out of it. But I do hope he becomes less prone to randomly dropping trou. He's five just so you know, I don't have a sixteen-year-old that they're terrorizing people with his Boyhood, although if I someday do and you guys still have a podcast. I'll be sure to keep you posted. No, thank you. I'm good at that if he have a sixteen-year-old is running around terrorizing. And we're not the fucking people. You should be calling like this is content. It is contact. Thank you Jennifer, which is one of our paid. I know of course, we love it. Thanks so much. I thought you people were talking about how it depends on age right and how things change so like kids who might be easier when they're younger. A lot of them basically said boys were a little bit easier younger and then girls get more difficult. So KSU Julie friend of the podcast says I've been told boys are harder when they're little and girls are harder when they hit teens tweens and teens. She only has two girls who are she's a tween and a teen. I believe she says my girls are definitely harder and give me more stress as they get older hormonal outbursts are the worst the thing that kind of bums me out is how elementary schools always do events for opposite sex partners father-daughter dances mother-son Royals baseball game. That's how you know, it's case you Julie. She has to make some reference to fucking Kansas City Sports. Literally, the only first and last time we'll ever talked about the Kansas City Royals on this podcast. Probably only time anyone is meant to the Kansas City Royals on any podcast outside of a Kansas City Royals podcast. Past year anyway, but I do like a lot of that comes up a lot where it's like donuts for dead or doughnuts with dads or father-daughter dances. And because she only has girls she never gets to go to like a school event because there's enough Sun so he doesn't get to do a mother/son dance father/daughter thing. I never get to do a father-daughter dance, right that only a boys you get the best of both worlds I get everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's really quite a me wonderfully obligated to do more events. Yeah more bullshit you don't want to do. Hold on see again with the double sided pages. I have lost. I don't even know where I'm at little charmer. 80 says I have two girls and I'm pretty apprehensive about the teenage years. I'm sure my five-year-old is already having hormonal rage. My husband is terrified of will probably go live in the shed. So it's tough. I'm not gonna lie. The homeowner hormonal rage is tough. So I said earlier I wanted girls and the big stereotype is oh, you know when they're teenagers you're in trouble or like better get that fucking shotgun ready when somebody comes to Date your kid God, which is the dumbest fucking that I hate that shit. I hate it first daughter. Hopefully having raised her. Well, yeah, it's up to her. Good luck. Yeah, he's got a fuckin. She's a lawyer what's scarier than a fucking shotgun that she is she knows what she's but like the idea that you're just going to be terrified of having daughters because it's one thing to be scared of like the state of the world with me too and all that shit because men are pieces of shit, but like being scared of having a daughter because of that the thing is is is when you have boys and when you have girls you are worried that the girl is going to be a victim and the boy is going to be like a criminal or like the perpetrator right when in reality they can be both. Yeah, but it's a weird way to go into it. Right? It's not about whether or not that happens isn't necessarily based on gender. It's how you raise them the tools you give them that's actually really interesting. So I think on a personal level I'm not you know, someone had said that before like, oh, I'm worried about my daughter dating and doing I'm not worried about my dog. She's gonna be a black widow type. Yeah. I'm I'm you know, like I said, I have a tremendous amount of confidence in my she's very capable right happy. I met her she is however, it's like we take the subway every a lot and and you know the New York City subway while very safe for the most part is can be there are fucking weird. Yes, there are And that's where it gets a little like that's it gets tough because she is world is a fucking Cesspool. Yeah, it is. It is harder for girls in women's where it gets really tough where because of the patriarchy I would well not even the patriarchy that are available. Just the Yeah, I guess maybe the patriarchy but also the systemic and endemic. Yeah. So for example, if it was a 13 year old boy, I probably wouldn't be as worried as their General girl, right because you're not going to get like some 25 year old weird woman is going to be crapping on a 13 year old boy and that's exactly right because all the fucking creepos out. There are the sons of like a simple you and me. My sons are going to be my future. That's that's the thing. You gave me the he can't go into it being like I got it, you know because I have a girl she's going to be prone to this but you just got to be aware of the challenges in the dangers and raise your kids. Well, hopefully but yeah, if you have sons out there you have a responsibility. Yeah, the reason to not be fucking weirdo scumbags. I go walking through anywhere my office and they'll be a girl in front of me and this is just there was a guy like a maintenance guy nearby at the subway. I was getting off at 42nd street and I'm going down like a which is funnel Aureus and I'm walking by horrible popular subway station for horrible people. There's a couple of women in front of me and they're walking by and there's like guys doing maintenance and as the group women are walking by I can I see one of the guys who maintenance staring the girl down as she walks towards him and then he walks by and then he turns around and stares at her backside or whatever and you're just like, you know that this girl is just like doing whatever she can to do tunnel vision not make eye contact with this guy and like keep walking. I think I didn't say anything about you know you Wasn't I'm like I'm out of shape. I've got a dad bod. He clearly wasn't into it. But again, it's how you raise your kids that know exactly anyway, so yes from that perspective. I think when especially when girls get older and there's just this just more prone to happening the girls because men are worse kind of in general. Well also at this at that same age, you know Middle School these kids now, I mean at not now but in general, you know 12 year old boy can Shoot up. Yeah, all of a sudden be almost six foot or six foot plus or whatever. I mean, it's yeah, it's tough. Don't know what that whether we were going. Well just physically, you know become girls develop sooner. Well, honestly, it's not the thing they do but also I think there are some like I was a late bloomer school boys out there. I didn't hit puberty like 26 27, so you know what it's going really? Well, is it stuff? I heard your voice change My Chemical Romance voices. Oh my God, how dare you? I don't listen to that shit. Yeah, really? Well know if it's make him go Nate likes My Chemical Romance. I don't like you would have never heard a song name one song. It wouldn't know. It doesn't matter your Vibe my five you've got a mic just because I'm fucking I look younger than I am because I mean I like My Chemical Romance tight goddamn you so J to the yo says, my mom said my brothers were hardest for the first 10 years and that I was harder the second ten, right so when it really comes in Ager I've been gets more difficult. I like this comment because it's self-referential because it's not my area was yeah about what it was like frying my you're hearing the anecdote of the mom saying my brothers were the hardest for the first I was harder for this because boys the idea I think is that boys were a little bit more unruly when they're younger and then when puberty and stuff hits it's difficult with the girls in the hormones and all that stuff Ali Bill checks. His girls early on are are harder and Easier than boys later in a jar, maybe saying the opposite girls early honor easier than boys are harder later and age boys are gross boys are gross. So fuck mom life said earlier that girls are harder because periods boobs pregnancy girls fucking suck. I have three girls and one boy Miss Suzanne says girls are easier before puberty little bit 1 1 1 3 says I only have boys and when they are young they seem harder, but they don't come home pregnant, which is putting it in Stark relief. Leaf but that's a thing right? But that's again a you worried that the girl is going to be like a victim right have this thrust upon her or make some kind of fucking terrible mistake, which may or may not be a mistake. Maybe it's Romeo and Juliet. I told my son about that this weekend we went we were in last week and we're in Central Park and there's the theater there's a bunch of Shakespeare. Yeah statues and I told him what Romeo and Juliet he hates everything about kissing and he said what happened I like they both died. He's a physics. He got excited to 2:30. No teenagers killed they they are supposed to be like 12 or 13 and it basically right like back then. Yeah, they killed a bunch of people on themselves. Yes. I'll get call. Yeah, exactly middle-aged. Yeah, they should have had this shipment of three. So we're late bloomers Monica send oval new no says I have one of each girl is easier now but as they grow up I will be more concerned about her than my son, which is exactly what we were just talking about because the world is a vampire the world is a vampire. But I think also it makes it I think it's more important for our sons to be better people sure because they the power because that's not imbalance is still shifted in favor of the men. I mean look it is it is yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's why people get mad if I say something about like if I say, I'm a feminist or a raising my kids to be feminists like I've written blog post about that. People are logo, you fucking you you trying to like stay Take things away from men now, you're not trying to take things away from anybody. You just trying to give women access to the same rights and the same privileges that men have had for fucking Millennia. Yeah, and it's not about taking something from somebody else or treating men less. Well, it's about treating men the same or treating women the same way you treat man. Yeah, there are differences like biological differences and differences in genders and stuff, but it doesn't mean a woman shouldn't get a promotion because she's a woman or whatever and all that are shouldn't get as much money. Since they get like what 83 cents to the dollar or 76 cents of the dollar or whatever. The latest figure is, it's not about that's why men anism is so fucking stupid. It's like the same thing as white supremacy. It's like it's like we want more even though we already have more like shut the fuck up. equal distribution I could socialism on 101. So I'm gonna I think Menace of the fucking worst people on Earth. Okay. There we go. Just there we go. Perfect or men's rights activist, I guess are like, oh, it's the worst subset of no I'm saying I'm not second Mennonite meninist SAR people who are there they're acting like feminism is bullshit. So they're saying no we are pro men you fucking Pro man. Guess what that's just called being in the world. Everybody's Pro men. That's why feminism exists look he because there's too many fucking Pro men people it breaks. It breaks down to this. We have daughter. That'd be such a good dad and daughter. You're blowing it. Give me one of yours. Yeah, no problem. You can attest to that to got them. That's a binding contract on the on the air. No, but I think you know if people are feeling unsafe, you know, that's that's the thing is like if you can make sure that like people feel comfortable. Yeah. Like yes being able to take the Subway or do what? Are you a snowflake? Yeah, I safe spaces you liberal. You fuck. I'm kind of in touch. Actually. The world is the worst people suck. What because I want my daughter to know because people think because people will call you a snowflake or a cock for saying something like that or things like that. That's what the attacks are when someone's like they make fun of a safe space and stuff like that. Sorry if my daughter everybody has a fucking right to being safe. Yeah, she's yeah, I'm hungry. What was this topic? Yeah. Alright, let's get into it. Well, this was good obviously having boys is a harder as I have them in my life is hell and I'm terrible at it. And I think if I use my adrenals I'd be fucking doing it, but I know what I'm talking about. Anyway, thanks for all your input. Also My Chemical Romance is the best band ever. I literally couldn't even name a song, but you know what you wear the Like you and which way is my fucking my winter hat a My Chemical Romance and really in your vest don't they aren't they like clean look like the 1990s version of Queens are like theatrical. They're like band nerds. Right you just and they have it. They don't want to like a really long making song titles. Exactly. Exactly. You don't listen to emo. Look at your hat. Do you know the fuck is my head of the doing? Look at you? You're dressed like mr. Rogers. That's correct. Because I am mr. Rogers Phil you come off and love. All right. So we're going to get into some listener reactions to our dumb insights as Pete elegant call this some comments about our previous episodes before we exemption is sponsored by Kinder. Perfect Cards Against Humanity for parents hilarious card-based parlor game parlor game, right? Yes, I called. Parlor games and it's much more conversational and is about like interaction and playing it's not necessarily about accruing points or something like a board game would be like ours. It's a game played with friends to in this market drunk in the Parlor. How do you so the discount code? If you want to go to Amazon.com or Kinder perfect.com, you can get it's 20 off Daddy and then I come December on Amazon as 20 off dad's but will stay the same on Kinder. Perfect, but 20 off Daddy. D if you want to get some of that hot hot Kinder Perfect action do one quick one we're going to do a quick around on this. Let's do a quick what's the question question is our perfect family evening was ruined by blank. Our perfect family evening was ruined by blank. Oh, I like that one some princess shit. That's not my choice. But I like that was that ever has that ever happened to you having girls that your perfect family evening was ruined by some princess shit. You mean putting on a play? Yeah in your house that have two dogs your house The Sound of Music who daughters the Von trapps. Are you kidding me? Every fucking shit that have got Mom and Dad down. We're putting know that hat that doesn't happen. Every time I have people over we have people over with other things Cosby Show. My first of all remember my oldest daughter is going to create a world in which everyone has to act in a play and not like that and we discussed. She enlists both your kids your other kids every kid who's there is now whether they know it or not is now part of this place is unbelievable. Oh and don't worry because the plays only like 40 45 minute. Oh, wow, you listening you have friends over and they're like, sorry. This is now being interrupted by my eldest daughters fucking bullshit play. That's where we off to sit through right? Oh my God Godsey. I'm so much. I'm so glad I have boys you go. Stop playing with your penis has another choice. I'm not choosing that all that beep. I got one. Hold on. What was it again? Our perfect family evening was ruined by stop playing with your penis. That's pretty good. But it's not my choice. I got this one. I got undescended testicle. We used that answer in a previous episode. No, he didn't. Yes. We did still good. Okay. Well, mine is our perfect family evening was ruined by debating circumcision. Which ones what's gonna win? Thank you. So what are the answers was a headless Barbie? Quick story. So when I was in elementary school, there was a girl in my bus route Melissa be I'm not going to say her last name for anonymity. She filed on social media. I had a crush on this girl from like first grade to like eight now 100% unrequited and third grade. I like left the room and I came back to the room and I think like my Optimus Prime or something had been like knocked to the ground off my desk and Melissa had done it. So I took her Barbie and ripped its head off. And then mrs. G of n took my Optimus Prime and I didn't get him back for a few days. But headless Barbie doll. There you go triggered triggered. I was in in cell in training in cell that are also the worst people on Earth, you know, what sometimes and I think that the Venn diagram of in cells and Menace and mend rights activists. Yeah. So just one Circle. Yeah, it's horrible. We look all this stuff up folks. If you don't know. I don't know we're gonna do an episode on in cells We're coming up on episode 50. What's more of a milestone episode 50 or episode 52 I think 50 52 I would say why would you say 52? Because it's a year 52 is a Year's worth of episodes 52 weeks. I hate you right now. Okay. I'm right and you're wrong. No because it's fine. Are you fucking this? Okay, you are dumb and I'm gonna go in there perfect money off Daddy's and we're talking we're talking past episodes. Now the young the old episode was last week. Yeah, do you Remember when it was young, would you rather be a young parent or an old pair of? Yes, I do. Remember and what would you prefer Mike? Well, I am what I am. So I guess I wouldn't mind trying the opposite young looks in your I do have amazing. Wow. Thanks. Credibly tight body. Calm down. You're making me honestly, it's really wonderful is very flattering. I would get a lot of blushing. Here we go. Jason Thomas says this is the real Jason Thomas who commented earlier said of course historically speaking people used to get married younger have kids younger and die younger, but look at how mentally and socially fucked up previous generations are and have been there's no way I in my early 20s was mentally and or socially mature enough to properly handle all the issues my daughter faces nor would I have been able to properly equip her the same to do the same not saying I'm perfect now in my 40s by any means, but I'm 1,000% more. Mentally and socially mature than I was in my 20s the huge downside of being a slightly older parent is I'll be pretty damn old walking my daughter down the aisle and a really old grandparent if ever now. My counter to that is it's a little bit of the chicken in the egg. Right? So you are forced most people are forced to mature and become more responsible when they have kids whether you have the kid at 25 or at 35 just the mere fact that you have a kid and you're taking care of somebody else and that kind of stuff forces you to confront things and learn how to handle things and stuff that you wouldn't have had to necessarily. Prior to that, right? So while you were just yes objectively probably less mature most of us in their 20s. I do think having a kid has a transformative effect on that right? I don't think it's the only fact but I think the age isn't the only factor in whether you're mature or not. I would say the other part of that is in your 20s. You want to enjoy you, you know, you have an opportunity to just enjoy like find out who you are. Yes through your, you know through your 20s through your 30s or whatever. It might be to figure out. Oh, maybe I'm actually you know what? I'm a huge dick who likes to podcast so it's a nailed it nailed really hitting it off. So somebody messaged me talking about this in our library, but somebody missed me and said to you regret you ever regret having kids and I responded and I said it depends on the day because I thought he was joking and then he said my girlfriend is really starting to talk about why I don't have kids and I'm on the fence. So I responded seriously and I was like, I was like, look, I'm like I'm like, sometimes you might regret having kids you're never going to Great your kid right like this it like well, I wasn't sure about having second kid. I had them there are much more complicated having two kids but I worship them right so like I'm not like, oh, I wish I didn't have this kid, but I was like, you know, your life is going to change and there's going to be some stuff that you maybe can't do as easily not everything but like if they're a bunch of things you want to do like that are going to be harder when you have a kid, maybe get them out of your system as best. You can't like you'll still be able to do them, especially if you make a real effort because there's not A lot of shit that you can't do with kids, but if you want to like travel a lot or like go to restaurants. Yeah, it's harder with kids and you got to come to terms with the fact that you're going to make that kind of. All right. Have a good day. You're gonna make that kind of trade-off, right? So now I do think alike live your life a little bit if you can but there are some downsides to waiting a while and then having a kid. Well, there we go. I mean, yeah, like being a crippled. There you go is having being 85 years old and like trying to deal with a four-year-old exactly. That would not be ideal. Can you match sort of an extreme scenario? We're in brother Larry King. We're in Brooklyn. I've seen it just like, you know, you're like oh your grandparents and no I'm his dad. Dad. You're the dad. Oh, you're the day. Yeah, can you hear me? Okay, okay. You're still your use a dad. Okay, he forgot you that I think of it. I can't remember anymore. I know I mean, it's it getting you see his wife you like Wubba Vavoom trophy wife, right? I assume nope. Stop was an old 85 year old woman old so then the previous episode was Dad bods and In a Bose day is just immediately Mike. Stop taking the stairs two at a time. That's not helping your sciatica and it's probably contributing to it. You know, what Dana get out of my life mind your own business my brother. I'm wearing flip-flops tonight. Would you guys laugh to me about disgusting? What the fuck the disgusting? That's not what you laughs you laughs because you think it's like winter and I shouldn't be wearing flip-flops. Also, I think football Ops, I know you think they're disgusting. You're a fucking anxiety to wear them in the city do Pit. Have you seen with look at the what am I catching? What am I catching? Happy happy have I got any of those things that but we're in fucking flip of the city, but you're funny ears. Look at your face is breaking out everywhere. Can you break my everywhere? Anyway, my brother was like maybe with no arch support in your flip-flops. It's not good for a say Attica to which I say shut up. Neither of you are doctors Dana or my brother my other leg saw her today. Goodbye other legs are hurting. He was just driving like this hip hurts. And my wife was I guess I Attica can affect both and I was like sure. Shut up, you're not a doctor. Does anyone else want to be raised by Mike? Because it would be such a pleasure. I feel like I would be better at daughters than I am at my kids though the too much like me. Well, we have one last one, which is Melissa Lombardi AKA Sweet, Melissa who you know very but wonder if she actually likes that song or she's just forced into referencing the song because there's not a lot of Melissa songs. I just want to say Melissa is not the girl whose Barbie doll who I had a crush on Whose Barbie doll had a ripped off. That's a totally different person a different one. This is the wonderful or commenter. Well, I know Melissa's last name and it's not Lombardi. So he like I've been believe me that crushes. Don't just go away. I've been following her online for quite some time. I know what she does for a living. Yeah. Yeah, and she follows you the still looks good. She still looks good. She does and I think I referenced her in a blog post or two and I think maybe even like a social post and then she suddenly stop following me now. I think she noticed but she stayed away. You know, what fingers crossed I guess my My Chemical Romance has she was like who's this fucking poser? He's fucking 43 and he listens to My Chemical Romance. Literally never heard a song. I think I made her one on the radio. I'm sure you've heard but they dress like they're in marching band. Oh, yeah, what did she say? She said Nate keeping us said she saw your shirt that you know, she's talking about your shirt because you were like, I've never worn this shirt before I have and I said no you have it. You wear the same fucking boring shit every week. Mr. Rogers. You should come in and fucking switch Cardigans. Okay, everybody do this shit show is now concluding what are we talking about next week? Oh no. Yeah. We don't know we need we need suggestions. I like the lying to your kids topic as a Topic. Okay, somebody suggests that in the Facebook group. You can go to my Facebook or the dead and buried Facebook group. What about every podcast fast? Can I can I like dance for you on Tick Tock or how my God how do I need you? Yeah, how do I get on you on take? How do you get on me? Yeah on Tick-Tock because that's how you do it. You know what get out me buy me some flowers. Okay. Can I can I do a fortnight dance? I don't know. What a fortnight dances like flossing. Is that a fortnight? Dance know what is it? That's that. It's just good. good dental health I don't know. I don't know anything about Fortnight. Okay? All right, everyone. You'll learn more useless facts here on this podcast acts. There's not even facts. It's just like Melissa. If you're out there, it's a big now. You're just gonna appeal your now you're thinking about it or I'm just curious if she'll really thinking about her think about it all the time. What do you mean? She's the one that got away even though we had two conversations ever. Okay, just forget it. Yeah, but your two kids you're happy with though. I was friendly with her. We were friends now the two kids you have now in the white. Oh, Happy it will talk about that next week, right? What is happiness? We chop. We need you next time next week. We'll see you. a lot of pressure of Alyssa

We did it! We figured it out. Using the scientific method, big data pulled from millions of data sets along the latest technology we have successfully concluded which sex is harder to raise. The the answer is BOYS! There you go. The answer is difiniti...er wait, I was reading the results upside down. Ugh, this says it's girls. Wait, ok hang on. Is that a ketchup stain? Okay, we're going to need a little more time for our artifical intelligence to get our heads around all this big ass data. In the meanting Mike and Pete waffle on about this subject for a really long time. Enjoy!

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Is this like a thing for you? You were a bunch of different colored socks. Usually I don't match them. But today I happen to so I figure is this the first time first time in at least two months. Hey, we're pretty proud of them up. Yeah, I am. I'm pretty proud of you Todd. What's the hashtag? Hash tag name that crime? Okay. The first very first case Todd was assigned as a detective was for what crime? This is 20 this would be 98 1998 Todd's very first case assigned as a detective was for what crime you could win a for the brand flag and Hoodie combo. That's a good mum. Give away their that for the brand hoodie. The camo One's Gonna Be Tough fine. So I know if it were given that away but it is good stuff. What was his first case as a detective? I respect that a lot by that's a long time ago a long time ago here. Is it like something you remember forever? Yeah. Yeah that very first case. Yeah because although I did solve and Not only that I get moved in with this rusty old detective right? We're working the same county. This was a case that he couldn't solve. Oh Gil his Sergeant our sergeant said why don't you give it a crack and I got the guy to confess charge they plead guilty. And now we're talking I hate this. Yeah, I'm fine. Now this one from Zito just made me laugh. What was the mascot for his Junior High School? Okay, that's a zero wants to know what's the hashtag? Thanksgivings eat you could win a jingle all the way sweater and a random item from the pub. Yes, the pain are random item from the pub Mercer. Find it José de jesús Perez. Is that his middle name? That wasn't no? No. It isn't. No it is we've done this before remember we went on like a two-hour Witch Hunt trying to find it. It's insane. All right. So what's the name of the mascot for Zito's Junior High School? You could win a random item from the pub not MRSA or any other diseases and a jingle all the way sweater could be a sword. Whoa your real to your higher the fake to your hat. You tell everyone that you went to I don't know what that means. But I'm gonna stay real I respect that. Well, he is under the assumption that you're living your fake wife right now is all just that we all were yeah simulation. I don't know. I've kind of I've got to come around and all right so you can win a lot of shit. Right there. Yeah good stuff. What's the hashtag stupid kid ain't afraid to leave stoop ain't afraid to leave his stoop. Were you did though? Yeah, that's the yeah. That's the reason for the hashtag. Yeah, yeah, he's right but he was but first I was afraid I was petrified. That's kind of like The Expendables or no replacement. There. It is. Only about 15% Are you think we hit close 10? That one's a tough one to get them? You know, I mean, we had the pitch right here and the town which I feel pretty good about in trouble and Travel the base by the way. I ended up in that screen on your radio where it's like the bass and the treble and you try to make it sound better for some reason in the balance. Why are they giving me the opportunity to move the sound over my fucking driver? I don't want to do that if you have Sleeping kids, is that real? Oh, yeah, you jump in a car. Yeah, but it's yeah, we're like old restaurants where they had the smoking section. There's nothing that broke them up. Like what is it going to really do all it doesn't make me dizzy think my left ear is here and see if you're sick of like kids music you pump all the volume to the back let the Listen to it in the back. Oh that makes so much sense still here, though. Oh, yeah. Huh father tone. 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Oh how exciting yeah, because the Mason Rudolph everybody hated hated everybody hated and it's one thing to have a terrible quarterback, but it's another thing to have like a terrible quarterback and every single fan base in the league hates your quarterback as well. Yeah, everybody wanted Mason Rudolph to fail. Yeah, especially after everything came out even if what miles Garrett said was completely wrong. Everybody still hates Mason room. Yes, which is why would it's hard to be that guy. It's not easy to be the guy that everybody hates. I mean only a few people have really accomplished it Pittsburgh is even buying Nation Runo and he's like the most punchable face in the history of quarterback and he has no idea how to put chapstick on orders of her lip is always sweating it what either one of the two is not great. You're so hard up. It's rude. It's like he looks at one read and if it's not open his just a stands there like a deer in headlights waiting for something terrible to happen. He's a worst quarterback to ever wear Steelers jersey. Whoa. Wow, I don't think he's wrong. I'm trying to run through quarterbacks in my head right now. There's no way there's no one else. It's pretty damning right now like a bag. I'll be home in Mark Malone in my head. Terry Hanratty. He's pretty bad with that. Asshole Neale Donald through a Super Bowl purpose on purpose. Everybody knows deal with Donald through that thing away toothpicks. Jerry Jones paid him speaking of Jerry Jones Jerry Jones, let it be known on good morning football that he was not jacked up about the questions about Jason Garrett and Dak Prescott that he is repeatedly. The face he had one of the most hilarious answers I've ever heard in my entire life. Do we have that audio say this I think all of us including the fans want to win a damn football game. Okay. Now I know we've got a lot of other things to think about who's coaching Whos playing Whos compared to another player someplace else? How about let's win some ball games folks we can take out other stuff. I'm not known as the guy. Who gets hand cramps when I'm writing checks that was about Dak Prescott. And then he had this to say about Jason Garrett doesn't a the no one in this country has earned the right to say I'm a Jason Garrett man more than me. I am his man and we want the very same thing and that's for our players to play at their very best and we want his staff to coach at their very best. The bottom line is we get graded. I'm in business. I don't have to win the Super Bowl in business every year. I can come in six and have a hell of a year. But in this business you've got to come in first you've got to come in first and so fundamentally you've asked for something. That's a very narrow One to begin with. I want Jason to get it done. He was painting a nice picture there for Jason Garrett had a very difficult job. He understands how hard it is. And then at the end he was like with that being said that we need to do that. Yeah, Jerry Jones was promoting a Salvation Army event that he was having a Jerry World down there and instead it turned into what I assume everyone of his media scrums turns into which is hey, what are you gonna do with Doc when he going to pay him? And what do you do with Jason Garrett if they continue to lose and I loved his answers. I think he's one of the most hilarious and legendary humans of all time. I'd like to see him run for It strictly for the debates strictly for the debates. I watch these debates are having right now. If you get a human up there that can actually speak and has a personality people are getting buried up there I'ma so I'm surprised Jerry Jones has not thought about running for president before I'm very surprised by that. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that would come out I assume but he probably likes his job, but he's making so much money for it like run a football team. I don't know. Would you want to be present? If you're in his position, there's no way that you will take a pay cut that is Jerry is very businessman the whole I don't get my hands on get cramps. All right chefs. He's thought of that line by the way, that might be a good tagline for him if he ever goes for that's a good tagline for a billionaire. Do you think do you think he's hesitant? Because of how bad I think Dak Prescott is a lot better than Jared Goff but Jared goff's contract has now crippled the ramps. I've talked about this ad nauseam almost about how the new NFL plan in new NFL way of looking at things. I think if you looked, That Seattle Seahawks I'm not going in there good right now, but back whenever they had the legion of boom and Russell Wilson was on that rookie contract they were able to build up. They had a lot of success. Then you look at the LA Rams. They were able to build up around Jared Goff. They became this lightning rod of a team. Then you got a pager goes off. You got to get rid of some people got to get rid of some offensive lineman get to get rid of some Defenders your team becomes completely different team. This has been on regular occasions whenever you pay when you pay a quarterback, you can't pay everybody else obviously like for instance, When Patrick Mahomes gets broken off that Chief seems you look very different can patch Mahomes win games by himself though, which is what quarterbacks have to be able to do if they're going to get 30 percent 40 percent of the salary cap. Yes, I think Patrick bones. Can I don't think a lot of quarterbacks can though and that's a decision that owners and GM's have to make is are we going to give this guy 40 percent of the salary cap? And can he win it all by himself? And you think that answer is no then you can't get into a 200 million dollar contract if you want the betterment of your team, but it's hard to find a good quarterback that Contract quarterback is not always easy to find you don't just find ducky Hodges is rolling around on the Ravens are in such a sweet spot now because of that. Oh, yeah, obviously, he's performed way better than anyone had expectations for but they can sell out go all in for the next two years or so. Yeah, if any and by the way, it's different body types and what everybody else is gonna be looking for now granted they're going to look for defense and keep building a defense up which is performed very, well. It's hard to blow people out of your defense isn't dominant which it has been but you can build up a tight end. You could build up a blocking tight end you could do everything like that and just continue to generate Mark Ingram has been a great addition. You can probably even add even more weapons on there. I mean, it's a sweet spot and I said this last year I said, is this the new model on how you win in the NFL in a lot of people said you're an idiot you if you get a good quarterback you pay him or whatever. It's like yeah, I get that you have to do that, but it'd be nice if one of these quarterbacks would understand if you build up the team around them. They're probably going to be a much happier position. Maybe, you know, maybe lose out on 20 million dollars out of two. A million, but which is a gross amount of cash and I understand it's generational wealth, but to build up the team around you think you have a lot more success and I think that's what teams are going to start doing. If you look at the playoffs if they started today on the AFC side Patriots Steelers pay their quarterbacks, but the Ravens Chiefs bills and Texans all have young quarterbacks who have yet to be paid that you can pull up the team room. Yeah and it's real that's a real model that you could do. And if she has a lot of great all-time quarterbacks, I think that's what that's a that's also but those are the people I can carry a team Drew Brees can carry a team not going to Michael Thomas is next level but he's also a young but you got a lot of these guys that whenever your Superstar is Young. You don't have to pay him as much as you have to pay an OG, but that OG is being paid because he's shown that he's very good. So it's an interesting Dynamic and if you find a Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Tom Brady you keep them for sure. But if it's that next tier down and they're just going to fundamentally be average forever and not be able to win games by themselves. I think you have to take a real. Look at that. Now I am I saying - bro. I said no, but I'm thinking Jerry Jones might be thinking that just like what Gumpy just implied right there. That's what happened to the dolphins with Tannehill. They paid him way overpaid herbal and not did nothing. He's turned the Titans. Yeah, somehow some way. It's incredible. It's not getting paid. But I think that that's that's also what I think makes Russell Wilson. So great is he's one with not many weapons at all. And there's a guy that I think I should have added that list. I just had Drew Brees and Rogers Tom Brady. I think Russell Wilson has played himself into that patch of my homes will play himself into that. At but you never know whenever you get rid of everybody and you only pay one person if it's going to work out for the Seattle Seahawks it has for the Rams. It is not obviously I mean in Todd Gurley not being talked early. And what's up with that by leeteuk girly says he's healthy and then the team says he's not. I don't know how that continues to be a battle of words, but they are lying is just not what it was. We can't pay the guy they lost got to the Titans bundle. Yeah. So the Titans are getting hot now, they lost the guy to the things. I don't know if it's still playing or not. I should have done more research, I believe so that degenerative knee thing must be Way more serious than anyone knows either Wednesday there. They must be trying to squeeze as much time out of him as possible the Rams, you know, but he has said that he's healthy when Darrell Davis came on the show though. He said he had that and sometimes he felt good and sometimes he felt terrible. I don't remember him saying that they really life. My knees every once while they feel better once another feel bad and I didn't I haven't run Force just a lot of balls that is interesting because Todd Gurley says I'm healthy. Like it's always it's been a very mixed message out of that whole thing now granted I might be mishearing. I might be reading the wrong tweets, but for me, it sounded like Todd Gurley is one of the ball and he's having given to him but the overarching fact is the fact that they paid Jared Goff in the team gets worse and they just gave him a new contract to so maybe that's why they're not go out. We're at Going to get it some sort of return on our investment not just burn him out here. You know when we're not going to make the playoffs. Yeah, I'll be excited. See what Jerry Jones does man that answer now granted. He was probably thinking he was going to be promoting a philanthropic thing the Salvation Army, there's two other people sitting next to them there and he's just getting peppered with these very very very expensive and important questions when he's just out there trying to promote Salvation Army what you got to give credit for the good morning football for asking the question. Yeah, the way Nate Burleson might never be seen on TV again friend of the show friend of ours. G-good luck, but he I mean he won after Jerry. They're a little bit with real question. Yeah, which I respect and appreciate Jerry controls the TV rights. That's not guy. I'm happy. I never got a chance to talk to him. Who knows you dumb shit. I would say I like that a lot. What else we got to today Bears Lions. Everybody thinks that the there's gonna win that game. Come on. I was told the Detroit Since are forced to watch the Thanksgiving game every single year in the live show. I said something that is different than I thought now in my live show earlier today I said that I would assume that if you were to pull cities around the country and say hey, do you like Thanksgiving and do you hate Thanksgiving and on a scale of 1 to 10? How much do you like or how much you hate it? I think the scale would lean heavily towards hate in the city of Detroit because every Thanksgiving they are forced to watch the Lions on television, and they are mostly Like disappointed odd say that they're going to be disappointed by their football team. So the city of Detroit has to hate Thanksgiving because they're forced to not only be around people that they're never around and talk about shit. They don't want to talk about with people that don't talk about they just want to eat and do the thing but they're forced to watch a team that they actually invested in in that scene and are invested in never invest back in its fans always lets him know and I thought that they would hate things even for that instead. I got a lot of tweets from people in Troy. They're like no no, no, we expect them to lose. So if they win in, Incredible things if they lose their shit exclaiming. Hey, it's Thanksgiving. They should pay Calvin Johnson and we just move on that's basically how everybody in Detroit feels. Is that accurate Fox it. Yeah give you that. I think that a lot of times people are looking most forward to the halftime show because the halftime shows awesome. I don't know who's supposed to be tomorrow Big Sean. Hopefully Big Sean. He was just at the Pistons are rock Kid Rock and Mimi Bob Richie. That's what I'm saying. So yeah, but like you said we expect to lose. My dad's side of the family. There's like a billion people and a tiny tiny tiny living room. They all gamble on Detroit. So they think Detroit is going to win every year they lose. So my family personally is miserable, but you got to expect that. Well, it's like whenever we're going to Pirates games as kids this team stinks. Let's see the ball park though if they win. Holy shit. The gym bellies are doing fireworks and they can literally do fireworks every single time they win because it never happened. That's like with lion's mane select something. Okay. So we Bears minus 3. So we're taking I think so good for the h out to dinner at the end of the game. That's why I hope mr. Dakin. Yes, that's so happened. That was Madden thing, right? Yeah. He started that is he dead? No. Thanks. No. Is he? No, we sure just the genuine disappointment there from Zito. I think he's a lot that was a real question on me. It's been nice to sleep at the house for three days in a row for the first time since August ain't that right boys and the reason why is because I miss my bed my bed happens to be a bed that shut up. my house in a box Pat how is that bad anywhere near comfortable if it showed up in a box actually, it's most comfortable bed I've ever slept on. Oh, I assume to get that bad you had to go and lay it a mattress store and laying other people's sweat and listen to a mattress salesman tell you why you should buy this Springs or the non Springs. Absolutely false. 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No, I like them as humans. Yeah, I think I like those mafias great. Yeah great, but I don't like their offense. I don't trust their offense, but the on the other side, I think the Cowboys are Owen six against the last in the last six against That have a winning record so I don't like I don't like any I don't like any size. So you're not that in this, you know, I will I mean, it's Thanksgiving. It's a game that's on TV. I'm gonna do it. Oh boy, it's Cowboys Cowboys minus X and a half. What I'm doing in real life is I'm teasing the Cowboys and Saints down to just a winning both of them. I know I know so for the show purpose Cowboys Cowboys - six and a half. Okay Saints at Falcons is last one. I think Saints might win by 50. Yeah Grammy Saints with the points the great. I thinks gonna win by 50. I think the Falcons game a couple weeks ago. They weren't ready. We talk to her. And Harper shout out to him by the way calling us from Paris. He was awesome. He said like, you know, yeah, sometimes you just feel like yeah, you'll be able to win any like I will turn on the third quarter. I will turn the fourth quarter. You never get there. They're humans. They got realigned and I think the Falcons are about to run into a buzz saw Diane are in the Mercedes-Benz Stadium show you like Drew Brees Connor. I don't mind him. I mean he's all right. What is that strictly compared to Tom Brady? Is that what your well? Yeah, I mean all my comparisons are Tom Brady. What do you want from me here? Come on. So You Think Drew Brees? Stink? I don't think he stinks. I mean he has that passing record, you know, all of them. He has all of the passing Secrets dump is all the way out of her number. If you're out on Drew Brees gonna be yeah. I'm out. He was forced in some balls when they were up against Carolina let him back into the game. Hey, I'm not Drew Brees is obviously better than Teddy Bridgewater, but when he played they ran the ball a lot more and it just seemed Work better. I don't know why holy shit. Did you become cubic and robbers are gonna come after you that's fine. I mean, I'm not in Teddy didn't lose again. So you can come at me. All you want this is that hair bias, you're just still mad briefs burn the dolphins with no he spurned him. We had the choice. We took call Pepper you think this is going to that organization you're out of your mind. You didn't really have many options. Paul worked out pretty well for about That was like Letterkenny right there. That's exactly what that was. By the way I love the kid'll loves that show so much every time I reach you liked up. He does Letterkenny while he's mic'd up and you can tell that to people that are listening to it don't have no idea what Letterkenny is and it's just incredible. I like George get a lot. I saw something the other day. I can't remember who it was from but him and Mike Thomas are the two most important players on other teams other than quarterback SOB in the entire league. It was the stat that makes sense makes a lot of sense by the way, Michael. Everybody's talking about him being in the MVP conversation because of how damn good he is, but it's going to be hard as a wide receiver to win the MVP just like it's hard as a running back to quarterback league, but both he and he's put up 130. I think every single game or something like that the very good house that habit that's like Randy Moss Back in the day. When was the last time a showcase wide receiver was the guy? I don't know I couldn't tell you Randy Moss. Maybe you knew he was going to put up at least a hundred every week Colin Johnson Calvin Johnson the lines refuse to handle Jones early in his Career, I think it's Antonio Brown there for a little bit. You could assume that he had a weird record to where it was something like five catches and over 50 yards for so many consecutive games. That was enough. Yeah, so he was a guy that you would think okay. He's gonna put on a show Michael. It's yeah, but he's always played on such a stinky team. Here's Mike Thompson. They made the Super Bowl but Mike Thomas last games 10 for 101 eight four one 1413 for 150 11 for 115 9 for 140. Nine 411 for 182 9 for a hundred community of he sucked it went 5 for 50 for one game. Oh no to win the MVP. That's that's awesome. Good for them down there. Give for Drew Brees have a weapon. Also. He had that rest when Teddy Boudreaux is in there get that arm loose the fact that comes out of our mouth think change anything about the way I feel about him. But I like the Saints over the Falcons and you could give the Saints - six and a half if you'd like Duke lost a Stone Cold Stephen F. Austin is twenty-seven Point favorites is coach cake done. Look. What's our take care earlier the fact that the one and dones Coach K gave into the one and dones because he was getting out recruited by people that knew that there were just one in Dunning. So he gave into it even though he was against it for a long time and it's kind of changed the way Duke is now granted last year. They made it to the elite eight the elite eight for a lot of schools in celebration. But when you were Duke and Coach K, the elite eight is a failure, especially when you got two guys are going to be top three draft picks. So I think it's fair to ask the question did the one and dones when Coach K finally gave in and said it said, yes, I'll do the one that ruined go. Okay, and how he coaches because he can't build these guys up to become the best basketball players possible in fit into the Duke philosophy. Yeah, he's not a good quick coach. He's a marathon coach. Oh, he's like a bonsai tree like a bonsai tree and plant the seed. Nothing comes to the five years later. There's that bamboo Banzai. I think that's a good reference. I mean, I don't know if it's like that but it takes a long time. Yeah, I used to have one of them little waterfall it nice bamboo though. I think it's as well. Yeah, pandas Pinot panda is actually better than the pandas actually can eat meat just live in a place where there isn't meat available. So they're forced to eat the fucking terrible bamboo. Either lazy have sex. That's insane. I wouldn't I wouldn't have sex either if I was forced to eat fucking right? Would take it easy on pandas right now. They're in a tough spot in Australia that Mike Wallace. I was a koalas koalas the ones in trouble those clothes and isn't Austria. I said close in China. Well the koalas in Australia are having a tough time, right? What's going on, you know fires everywhere. Oh, really? Yeah. Koala bear very cute, right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thanks to these though. Well, I mean what they're not friendly. Laughs I see Steve Steve Irwin. I held one. Yeah you hold one see what happens. Koala bears right now. I wouldn't let you they're dangerous. Steve around taught me a lot of things crocodile. You always go from the tail look it up and throw a towel over its eyes are good. Yeah, as long as he thinks it's asleep. Koala bears are dangerous. They do have STDs he's right that is true that you have STDs. Well, that's what koala bear fuck the human equality is really terrible. Yeah, really? Yes. I think they were nice. I don't know Steve that your thickness loss. Nope. They're slow lazy arse. Only real they have long claws do it again. That's because they just walk them in and they just hang out there horribly telling jokes slots one Atomic bad time one guys, who the other guy at the diner on the moon? I like the food but there's no atmosphere. It's a good one. This is pretty good. Well, it's called hack jokes Dad Dad ack Jump Street jokes streets officer this We go. Now we're playing here. There's some kids dream choke. So there are some good ones. There's comedians that try to make their entire set of us. Yeah. I'm assuming a comedian world is not accepted. Yeah. Well my favorite Street joke. Yes. Yep guy goes in doctor's office and the doctor comes in the room after the five minutes and he goes listen, you're going to have to stop masturbating and he goes, oh my God, why and he goes because I'm trying to examine you. Misdirection Ohio State's number one in the new college football playoff committees rankings good for them. Surpass LSU do to LSU's defense. Which many could argue is the Ole Miss offensive put up six hundred fourteen yards against LSU. Number one Russian team in the SEC, by the way, wholeness. Hmm the first shot therefore at Rodriguez who is now an offense coordinator. I just got off the phone with him actually good conversation good to hear from again with feel good it was Nice try had to write ya Solaris. I can't wait to see him on the sidelines for the game. He said I just I just want to tell you one more time. It was good at my happy. He's having success though. I mean he created this whole spread offense thing Glenville State College way back and DEC 27 years ago. He started doing spread offense and he took it to Tulane and then the Clemson and West Virginia and then obviously in Michigan is a little bit different and Arizona and then now he's in the SEC. I think he has a lot of pride in this offense working because he was always question on will. Offense working D1 college because he wasn't going to the state many want did it there and they're like, well, what work in the SEC now, he's put up 614 yards against LSU and then they're like, well, would your offense work in the NFL? Nice you Lamar Jackson just dominating in the NFL and he's like it's been pretty nice, you know good for him. That's game. I'll be calling while the Saints are blown out the Falcons. I hate Stephen Singer is being said all around the country. 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We said hello, if you're in Detroit, we apologize for what happened with this key and Nagy and what they did you guys to the foxy family, you know, maybe mixing some Waters. Why do you say that about the fox family, but you know this I hear things. Oh Foxy's family. I guess he just likes to get the fuck after I respect it. Yeah we have Good time. It's a good family. Great family. I'm very thankful for them to I didn't add them into the equation. Well, we're not going to run those. I figured all this thing's too much of the thinking of each other. Nobody wants to hear that we really all did so so though, I would like to let you guys know that I am very thankful for all of you also to my lady into the ladies of every guy in here. We thank you for your patience in our schedule. We're very very lucky to do what we do and we're very very thankful you all choose to listen and watch where the fuck you maybe have a great Thanksgiving. We're propelling right into Christmas movie season jingle all the way, you know, there's I would argue that that jingle all the way one. Yep might sell the least person Zito Clause, I think zero cause you can do well because the one that I would buy the hot ticket item. Yeah. I took the picture of the fucking thing. I'm a big fan of that shirt. I think 0 causes gonna do well, I think so. Things in her Miss. We never know what's going to be but I think the jingle all the way one because we didn't really take like if we were put your face on like Schwarzenegger, 's body then I'm buying that thing immediately, you know, but it's just standard or Schwarzenegger in the other guy Sinbad. I don't know if we did it but in and to be honest, I thought the movie wasn't that great you love the movie A lot of people thought it was great. So maybe they'll support you and your break. I don't know. I need the doll. That's from the movie. Yeah, is that the same way you did the first time we had a loss I think so. Yeah. Do you know any other quotes from the movie? Well anybody watch the parade? No, no. Yeah. He was a big part of that. Jingle all the way. Is anybody watch a parade that they have in New York. They're saying that might be so windy. They can't have the fucking puppets. Yeah, man. I mean, I don't see one of those fucking things. I won't that be awesome. So you want like people like typically no, but Usually like the Packers would play the lines a lot on Thanksgiving. So I'd watch that instead. I don't really have any interest in what about family wines horbury cousin is a Rockette and she's usually in the parade congrats your cousin grethe the parades before any of the games. Yeah early very early. It stinks. But there's people that line up together the big deal. Why do people go to parades they just got two braids because they've been told they're supposed to go to parades. I don't think I fully understand people that go to the parade. I'll watch it. I watch it by the way because I like to see the random fuck-ups and Terrible TV that happens and things like that, but the people that actually go and stand there. I don't fully understand Tsum it's tradition and that's that's about it because it's on Thanksgiving Day. So it's not like you can turn around and do any shopping in New York after that, you know most places are probably closed. So I don't think I'm friends with anybody that would do that. The people that go to the Parade's are the same people that stand in Times Square for 12 hours to watch the ball drop. Yeah. I don't think I'm friends with anybody that would do either of those things. So I don't think I think it was big like when there was like to Shins on TV and I will have nothing else to do might as well go watch these back when Notre Dame is Dominic is the only football team on television and in Rudy came fucked it all up. I got look at what he would pecker. That's one of the shows we watch popped Woody. Yeah design photography. Anyways, you guys should watch the parade have nothing else going on. We won't if you go to the break, please tweet us and tell us why there's I would argue is nobody listening to the show is going to a parade. Probably not no safe assumption safe assumption. Let's your balloon maker. Yeah, but I think even you wouldn't go don't blow up your houses with fried turkeys. Please don't hurl Butterball has a line that turkey hotline, by the way. It's been like 20 30 years. Yeah, you could call him ask him how to fuck cooked turkey. Really? Yeah. Nice. Yep. Well tell you then, they'll break it all down the turkey hotline. All right, what are all the hashtags again? Hashtag? Hashtag eat your socks off. What color socks was Connor wearing yesterday? Hashtag stupid kid ain't afraid to leave this through and the question was how many times have I? Moved in the past 15 years. It's really astounding number digs its hashtag Donnie likey and that is my favorite Stellar of all time of all time and you'll win something and $43 to store the brand flag of your color of your choice and $43. Okay, Todd, your hashtag is name that crime first case. Those are assigned as a detective. What was that crime and you can win the for the brand flag and Hoodie combo. That's right tie the hashtag, you know, my hashtag stunk the first time around so I'm going to change it to keep hashtag team. No sleep. I think that's a little easier. Yeah, and just how long did I sleep last night? Well, you have to make sure that you only search for hash tag team no sleep then. Yeah, I will. Okay. I will I don't even remember what the first one was to be honest. How long do I sleep? Yeah that stinks. So I'm gonna I got the other one as he though hashtag Thanksgiving seat. I like it's my name and the question was what was my mascot in junior? Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah when you're hot, you're hot not Junior High School. It has nothing to do with Thanksgiving or does it could measure your from hashtag thanksgivings. I think I know the answer and I don't think that's accurate the hashtag free-throw free shoes. How many free throws in a row have I made in the office for a free pair of shoes under $100? I know you could give him any kind of shoe your choice. Whoa Louboutins. Hashtag come to America and who's my favorite football player of all time. There we go. All right, give away a lot of shit currently have a sale going on stored up having show.com 20% off everything. Hope you have an incredible Thanksgiving. The best Cheers we will see you tomorrow. All right, bye-bye Schmidt play that hack a snoozer. I got beans green beans potatoes Tomatoes. Lamb Rams Hogs dogs chicken Turkish. Grab your name. I thought things creams potatoes Tomatoes lamp great Springs potatoes Tomatoes potatoes Tomatoes lamp. Prince potatoes Tomatoes lamp where am I screams potatoes Tomatoes beans potatoes Tomatoes pain screams potatoes Tomatoes pain screams 14 screams for change change things change screams potatoes tomatoes. potatoes tomatoes You just paint screams pertains creams for change change change change brings potatoes tomatoes chicken. I would like it to be known that I don't actually hate Steven Singer. Oh, right. I mean this is break. This is kind of after the show here. We just have to make sure we put this in I don't actually hate the guy. I mean do I think it's a bit convenient that he just fucking decides to start sponsoring the show after I spend a lot of money have you actually met him? I did I got a chance to chat with you. You do know you don't hate them. I do know that I don't care. Yeah. I got a chance to talk. He's like very philanthropic and all that shit and he's got an incredibly convenient way of buying jewelry just by going through. I hate Stephen cigar.com and he shifts it to you. But sometimes I can start saying I hate people and get going a little bit and people think I actually hate them like this guy do I think it's convenient what he did? Yes. Do I like the way his company operates? Yes. Do I hate them? No. I think he's a little bit of fucking asshole Fair Point. And if I'd a jeweler friend about My Jeweler friend would say that guy fucking stinks. Yeah, because the jewelry world has been run the racket for far too long the oh, yeah up charging on these goddamn things and you're all in on it together and then this guy comes in and says, I'm break code. I'm gonna start selling it for cheaper none of that bullshit. So I appreciate what Steven Singer did I just wish you were showing up a little bit earlier with that being said now, I hope you enjoy. the greatest Thanksgiving in the history of Thanksgiving Egg Bowl tonight ESPN stored up at my show.com 20% off all store told maybe Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday depend on when you want to buy have a great holiday.

Happy Thanksgiving! On today’s show, Pat and the boys sit around and discuss the NFL slate on Thanksgiving as well as who they are thinking about betting on. They discuss whether or not people in Detroit hate Thanksgiving because it usually comes during a time of the year where Lions fans have nothing to be positive about, if the Bills have enough to beat the Cowboys in Jerry World or if the Cowboys will respond after Jerry Jones had a couple of choice comments for the Good Morning Football crew after being asked about Dak’s contract and the Jason Garrett situation. Pat also announces the Thanksgiving Giveaway Extravaganza Stupendous as each of the guys picks an ungoogleable question and a hashtag that you can try to answer to win anything from gift cards to the store, a free pair of shoes, a VISA gift card, or special items from the store. The guys also cover the “Thanksgiving Thank You” sale that started last night at midnight and will run through the end of the weekend. EVERYTHING in the store at store.patmcafeeshow.com is 20% off. Supplies are limited so make sure you beat the rush. We thank you all so much for riding with us and being apart of the team. Come laugh with us, and hopefully this is the best Thanksgiving of your lives. Cheers.