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Hello and welcome. You're listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Aquarius season in 2020. My name is Renee. I'm an artist an astrologer and a somatic intuitive in these audio horoscopes all outline. What I perceive as the main areas of focus for each sign in the month ahead and give you creative embodied and practical suggestions for working with the seasons biggest.Opportunities and challenges remember that horoscopes describe general energies and it's up to you to get specific listen with your intuition on and your mind open take what works leave the rest. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask you what your sign is it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign is determined by the time of day you were born and the place you were born. 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You can listen to all of your favorite artists and and podcasts in one place for free and you don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library Tad. Also make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Capricorn. All right, so we are moving into Aquarius season on January 20th. And Aquarius season is bringing quite a bit of change with it and change is really the name of the game for 2020. It is the big theme of this year changing from an old Paradigm into a new paradigm. And these changes are occurring on global and Community levels as well as individually if you were checking in with With me or with other horoscopes over the past couple of months and even the last couple of years, then you are well aware that you are ready and ripe for change. You have been going through such a deep and important transformation for so long now and as I talked about in last month's horoscope this transformation is really the accumulated residue of the last decade Plus in these couple of weeks and months as we move from Capricorn season into a query Area season I think you're really starting to understand the nature of this transformation. You're starting to see the whole thing and your priorities and what you want to be moving towards should be at least more clear at this point if they're not fully formed and your Consciousness. That's okay. But in the last couple weeks, my guess is is that some important priorities have been filtering through you have probably made some rapid and maybe really Prizing progress away from old ways of being an into new ways of being and if this is resonating for you than I really want to applaud that and say keep going your sign has been going through so much intensity for so long and it's not totally over yet. But you're really nearing the end and at this point, I think if you've been working with this energy, then you're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and you might be starting to feel some of the payoff are some of the benefits. Of this heavy lifting that you've been doing for so long. Now the Deep transformation transformative processes are certainly not easy. But if we work with them, they do actually have such a big payoff and that payoff on the other side is empowerment itself knowing it is the ability to be relational and connected in ways that feel really authentic and deeply nourishing and I hope that that's what you're starting to feel for yourself. Aquarius season wants you to continue putting these changes into action in really tangible ways and the actions are the changes that you're making right now have a lot to do with ideas of worth and value so worth and value are complex ideas and they really begin with the personal with the self and this is your self-esteem or your self-worth Aquarius Seasons big theme is reshaping your self-worth understanding your own sense of confidence and and self value as you are working through these Transformations that you've been going through. I hope that what's been clarifying for you are the places where you can really appreciate yourself where you can appreciate your unique offering where you can appreciate your tenacity your determination your beauty and the more that you can appreciate yourself now the better because your life is really ready to shift from Period of incredible intensity into a period that to me looks like there's a lot of potential for fun and you're probably really ready for it at this point. And it seems to me like your astrology really wants to shift. There's a lot of healing that wants to come in for you and a lot of expansion feelings of Freedom feelings of Liberation feelings of Vitality and inspiration and a kind of eroticism or demon and pleasure that really wants to come in and saturate your being and so you want to let this energy in and the way that you let that in is by believing that you are worth it when you give yourself negative stories about yourself when you say, you know, I'm to this and not enough that and this is wrong with me and that's also wrong then you are basically shutting out pleasure and you're shutting out joy when you value yourself for who you are and not what Trying to be and not you know something that maybe you will be in the future, but you're not yet. When you value yourself for who you are now, what's authentic for you? Then you open the doors you say yes to this kind of pleasure. You say yes to this kind of excitement that wants to come in as you kind of examine your relationship to self-esteem and self-worth. This is not an invitation to just sit back and say like everything about me is Fact I don't need to do any self work. This is an invitation to look at your Tendencies for Perfection and competition because these Tendencies are first of all, very Capricorn and Capricorn is a perfectionist ambitious competitive sign and that's part of your strength, but it's also your downfall and so where you find the places where you're constantly berating yourself where you're telling yourself. You should be more when you're competing with other people when you're competing with Self these kinds of energies are shutting the door to the pleasure that wants to come in for you right now. Now that doesn't mean don't work on it. Don't try and improve or don't try new things or refine what you're already doing or anything like that, but try and start to talk to yourself differently make the changes that you're making refine yourself through affirmation. Not through negation work on yourself. Love this month super important. Our value systems come after that. What do you think is valuable? What are you drawn to? What do you compelled by? What are you attracted to in the world? And in other people so as a sign that is definitely known for competitiveness and ambition and desire for power in the world. I really want you to examine value systems that may be oriented around competition and power now competition again an ambition. These are not negative. Things but in a world that has been so deeply shaped by capitalism and by Supremacy by supremacist ideals competition and ambition have a very negating and destructive kind of quality to them. And when they lead you to separate yourself from other people or to judge yourself or to judge other people, they're not helping you in your life. They're not helping you say yes to pleasure and say yes to connection. So look at your values, look at what you are attracted to look at who you find attractive and start to question where you value power and authority that is at the cost of actual tenderness of actual connection and actual presence because this is really what you want to bring into your life. You want to bring an intimacy you want to bring in connection that you can trust you want to bring in present moment enjoyment and that means embodiment and that means trouble And love of your body in this moment of yourself in this moment not about something that you might be or could get to. Finally money is a big issue this month and as the sun moves through Aquarius, you might be very aware of your finances. Now as you work with your relationship to money, you are also working with your relationship to Joy. It's important right now that you figure out what your priorities are financially and where you want to be putting your resources. It looks to me like you want to have a good time in your life. And so arranging your resources so that you can have some percentage every month going into a play fund would be a really good idea and there are a couple of methodologies out there that I've heard of like the jars savings plan and this is when you have like different jars or cans literally, you know on a table somewhere and you put a certain amount of money and every day or every week and you work with percentages, so you might have, you know, all of your Your basic needs of course, you got to cover those first and then you might want to put a little away for savings or you might have other needs that you definitely need to save for but every single month, please put something away for fun and fun is unique to you. Whatever it is that you think is fun. This is what you want to be orienting to I really want to encourage you to think about the times and the places and the activities or the people where you feel like you lose track of psychological. You are just enjoying yourself so much. You're not thinking about the future. You're not thinking about the past. You're just present you're engaged. You're feeling your your innocence your childlike self coming forward. This is what you want to save for. Its what you want to make time and space and a lot resources for now that could also be complicated right now. So work skillfully and work as systematically as you can again to think about how you're using your money. A theme right now is that you want to be using your money with awareness of collective impact. So if you are a person who has enough financial privilege that you can think about putting aside money for play time, then you might also really want to be thinking about how you can use your money to leverage Justice equality healing and environmental sanity in the world. This is a super important time on Earth right now. We need all hands on deck and money actually does make a huge difference when it comes to making changes. So if you have The resources please make sure that you are putting money every month into what you value and I want you to think about your values beyond the personal and Beyond The Superficial think long-term and think Collective values. Finally. There's a big theme for you this month around communication and the way that you are using your mind. So we're going to be entering into a Mercury retrograde cycle and Mercury begins its shadow period This is the Period of time that precedes the actual retrograde on February 3rd, the actual retrograde begins on February 16th and ends on March 31st, and the shadow period extends through March 30th. Now this particular Mercury retrograde occurs, mostly in the sign of Pisces and for you Pisces rules, the part of your chart that has a lot to do already with the mind and with communication. So this Mercury retrograde is a little bit of a double whammy for you in the sense of all Mercury retrogrades make Straightforward communication and simple logical thinking a little bit more challenging and for you these themes are really going to get kicked up. So this is not an ideal time to try and convey important information clearly and logically nor is it an ideal time to sign important contracts or make really big purchases. However, it is an excellent time for you to be working on cultivating your intuition on refining and expanding your sense of empathy and emotional. Well connection with others and for you to be working with creativity. The more that you can express yourself in kind of settle creative liminal ways the more you can actually experience the benefits of this Transit and probably steer clear of some of the detriments this Mercury retrograde is aspecting your chart in such a way that it's really making me feel like you have a lot of access right now to your intuition, so please meditate Take time to be in your body cultivate your embodied intuition. Pray Journal use divination practices like tarot or astrology or throwing dice whatever it is that you do and again creativity is so awesome here because through the creative through the poetic we can express some of these more subtle energies that are really wanting to come through for you. All right, so there are a couple of important lunations coming up this month. And on January 24th. We have a new moon at 4 degrees of Aquarius. Please check your natal chart. If you have planets or points around four degrees of Aquarius, then this new moon is especially potent and pertinent for you. Make sure to check in with me at embodied astrology on Instagram or check your inboxes. If you're signed up for my newsletter and you'll get my lunar Attunement a way that we can connect to this new moon energy this new moon is Asking us to change and the couple of days coming leading up to the new moon might be marked by an intensity and a feeling of frustration or pushing into the new not really knowing how we're going to get to the new thing just yet. But really wanting it as we move past the new moon into the couple of days after these changes might start to roll out. So remember that right before a breakthrough is often the time of the most intensity if you feel some intense he gathering around the new moon and this is a great new moon to set your intentions and set your wishes for your new ideas about self-worth self-esteem your value systems and how you are using your money best to set your intentions. Do your new moon rituals the following day January 25th. That's a great day for working with lunar Magic on February 8th and 9th, depending on what time zone you're in will have the full moon. And so the Full Moon occurs at 20 degrees of Leo again, make sure to check your natal chart notice where Leo is in your chart and if you have any important planets or points around 20 degrees of Leo or Aquarius since the full moon Works in opposition. This is a full moon that really asks us to be ourselves and to come forward with courage and with bravery and with enthusiasm as we present ourselves into you. This is an opening for you to really sink into that solidity of self-worth. Earth and confidence and be willing to be vulnerable be willing to open up and share and show yourself in intimacy. So there are so much reward and benefit for you and there's really quite a lot of healing that wants to come in especially when it comes to your kind of foundational experiences your home your family and your roots. Finally Mars will be coming into your sign on February 16th Mars. Will Transit Capricorn until March. 31st and when Mars is in your sign, it is bringing force and power. This is a great transit to use to get into your body to exert yourself and to assert yourself. It's also a transit to to be cautious with Mars and Capricorn can increase Tendencies towards domineering militant kinds of attitudes and behaviors. You really want to be aware of how you are affecting those around you how you are communicating and Again, how you are treating yourself? All right, my friend I'm wishing you all the best in Aquarius season and Beyond much love and bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Aquarius Season in 2020. Aquarius Season extends between January 20 - February 18, 2020. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Freedom From the Known - Embodied Astrology for Aquarius Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Aquarius and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world and the importance of Aquarius for the upcoming 2 decades! Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Aquarius represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Aquarius season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here Get the Aquarius Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! Find out more here. If you enjoy this work and want to help support more of it, please leave me a tip! https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/message

Welcome to see to scale. We're for investors with backgrounds as Founders who met at the engineering school at the University of Pennsylvania. Tim. Young a hall Martha had Lee Harris fixing we study in the act in 2009 with more than 80 years of combined experience building our own companies. We now lead seed rounds and bold Founders who use code to create transformational companies starting a company from the ground up is really hard in this podcast will be having conversations with some of the most interesting Founders investors and influencers about the ins and outs of building an early stage company. We talk about it all funding growth and everything. It takes to build a lasting business. Hey, everybody, its nahal founding General partner at edx ventures back on see to scale today. I have the honor of speaking with these are-- Clarkson and I don't think it's different for LPS any more so than it is for GPS. And that what are you going to bring to the table? These are is sapphire Partners in San Francisco in the valley. She leaves investments in Venture funds all over the world. She began her career at Morgan Stanley and The course of 20 years has held many many roles that will get into a little bit a couple of years ago. These are led the launch of open LP and effort to help Foster a greater understanding and the entrepreneur to LP Tech ecosystem, and we're really honored and privileged to have her on the show. So welcome to seize the scale. So first off where where did these are come from Elizabeth's your real name and then work them into your background as well? Okay, so it started with my aunt who's British and she used to call me elizabe when I was very small, you know, two or three and my older sister. I mean, I was three she was 5 so somehow she shortened elizabe down to be and then made it bees are and honestly, I don't remember but by the time I hit kindergarten these are was it legitimately when I graduated from College and the dean of course calls your full legal name. I had friends who honestly thought I didn't graduate and we're trying to like commiserate with me be like, it's okay. It's really hard to get your degree. You'll do it next year because they had no idea that my real name was Elizabeth. Tell us about where did your passion for finance for investing come from? I guess what led you to Morgan Stanley and then and then just have fire, you know as I've gotten older. I've become more and more envious of people who seem to have known what they wanted to do from the get-go. I've definitely remember interviewing For this group that I was in which was called project Finance, which literally was a financing of like oil and gas pipelines and power plants and airplanes and satellite systems in you like super infrastructure stuff and I was a poli-sci liberal arts undergrad so not really well connected, but I thought was just fascinating to see how the world moved and how these different activities happened and money was the conduit in but once I was living in San Francisco in the late 90s and wants Tech became a sort of harder. Consciousness that just took over as what I thought was the most fascinating and it just hasn't changed. So everything since then has been different ways of looking at technology and finance and how did the two interplay and that led me to being an Opie awesome as have fire. What kind of things are you interested in investing in? You know, what are you kind of passionate about and maybe a little bit about the strategy. Well, we've been pretty steady Eddie about are investing strategy for the lp side of the sapphire business. And we think that's a good thing. We think when should be super reliable and consistent and persistent on the lp side. So we are completely fine. Sometimes I joke around and say boring is a okay when you're in a hole because you know, you want to know that we're here right GPS don't want to worry about where is the lp world gone and have you changed strategies mid-cycle because all that's very disruptive to the folks that we invested. So ever since we launched our our work, which was some seven years ago at Sapphire. I joined we focus predominantly on the series a focused funds we've focused predominantly us and then within the u.s. Predominantly Bay Area. We do 20% in Europe 10% in Israel. Occasionally we do seed and we've been just consistent around that ever since the beginning and we which isn't meeting to say we don't always look and spend a lot of time understanding what's going on in the ecosystem to see if perhaps we do need to flex a bit. Maybe more seed maybe a bit later. You know, we're We're always sort of asking ourselves. What's happening? And how does that impact what we're doing? But today we have not changed and the focus on Venture would never change and sapphires main investor is sap is any of the strategy dictated by you know, by by the corporate or is it all on you guys? No, it's all on us the way I think about it as I have a fantastic Global enterprise software firm is my LP and they're wonderful and I give them so much credit for having the Ford vision for many years ago saying, yes, we're going to help stand up this business and it's it's independent. We own our own management company, you know, all of the same attributes as anything else and we own all of those engagements right with those that teams that someone we pay for out of our management fee. It's great. And that's and that's really how we work. On sap is super thrilled with that because that's what they want to see to how do you think the role I guess of of the LPS changed in the last few years you have this blog post reimagining our role as an LPN Venture, maybe talk about that a little bit and maybe going into the future. How do you see it changing? Sure. Well wouldn't there's there's pros and cons right of being the relative new kid on the Block the powerful part of that is that you can kind of look around and say what works in the ecosystem and it was really dear to us that GPS the folks like you that LPS invest in want to know that there are LPS permanent and and focused and smart and has their back and essentially doesn't over get overly involved. And so we just looked at all those things and he said well, what's the best stuff that endowments do and Foundations and if we were to create a structured synthetic vehicle that had the best that we could figure it out. Let's just go do that and that's that's really what we got to do which is what reimaging and LP was about and we thought they were a couple Our tenants that were really important one was permanent. So we restructured our vehicle and made it Evergreen. So we wanted to change the Paradigm completely the downside of this is we don't have a great word to explain ourselves because we're sort of neither fish nor fowl. But where a you know an asset manager that invest in Venture and we said, let's be focused because that will help our GPS know that we understand their business. Let's make sure we provide more than Capital. We do have a strong belief that right now in particular, you know, everybody has money and it's all green and it looks the same. Same so what are you going to do with your money? That's different and I don't think it's different for LPS any more so than it is for GPS. And that what are you going to bring to the table? And sometimes it's a personal relationship? Sometimes it's in sight. Sometimes it's data. Sometimes it's value-add services, but we really believe there's no difference for LPS. That was the Genesis for reimagining it like what does it mean? And how do you how do you show up in a way that says we're here to be partners, but we're also not backseat drivers because they're the point of the limited limited partners. Not wasn't an accident right mean that's that's there for a reason as a horizon change in terms of the return profile, you know, obviously we all know companies are being held private much longer this year. Obviously a string of IPOs that were in the middle of what are your thoughts. Is this a trend that's going to do you think get more and more egregious or will companies started going public even faster. Oh, it's such an interesting question. And when we debate sadly, I don't have a crystal ball that's going to give me the exact answer for that. I do think the Venture model. Model is predicated on the idea of money going in and coming back out and whatever form right? You can go and come back out through Acquisitions can come back out through IPOs. I mean secondaries, but but the whole point right like you put money into a company and it's at some point you're going to expect something back right? That's it's an equity trade. It's not a have my money forever trade. So unless that fundamental transaction at between the GP and the company changes, I don't know how that will actually ever allow for things to be. Different which is a little bit about financial, you know Meta Meta level question. But other than that, we think it'll just yeah that Bing becoming public going other companies going public this year is great. It helps remind folks that the public markets are part of the process and maybe not for everybody but for a lot of folks and at their really deep right for all the money that people talk about being able to raise privately there's trillions in the public market some of the concerns. I have honestly if companies don't go public are for the employees and companies and I'd be curious to hear from you what you see and how employees treat this idea of there not being the same kind of liquidity available and do secondaries reached out to companies because when we look at what happens in some of the IPOs in the past and just how much not not wealth in the level of just individuals but like really ecosystem building like the Bay Area wouldn't exist if these companies didn't go public in the past. So what happens if that doesn't happen the future. It's not a zillion LP question. It's a people question. A longer answer. I think you anticipated but those are the things that that I actually that I think about me has happened and I hope people do find exits at the right time for their companies and an IPO isn't really an accident some more of a transition to a different kind of financing. I think what's interesting recently is the awareness on some of the wealth creation where you know early employees at some of these companies are are not necessarily getting, you know, the returns that they expected what that's actually transforming in the ecosystem is more transparency. In options and strike price and all of the things that usually during it hire process oftentimes employees gloss over and I think now there's real attention to that because we're hearing these horror stories right of these, you know, pretty decent Acquisitions where early employees are getting nothing, you know, of course, there's the debt overhang and the prep stack but even then so anyway, I think it's good. It's precipitating this awareness of where do I stand and I think it's really important for employees. Especially early employees are But is that they're adding value to to be able to really share in the upside when these companies get acquired or go public? We're seeing a ton of new fund ones all over the country. I think we've seen that in San Francisco in the Bay Area over the past four or five years, but now even in New York and Boston there's this whole new Resurgence of smaller funds, you know, 25 to 50 million dollars doing precede see it and even some series a what would your advice be to new GPS just starting out with her first client. Generally the first question I use the same language all the time because I think some consistency helps. I always kind of ask people like I you like why are you doing this? It's about a very specific. Like why are you deciding to be a venture capitalist and doing this because it's a job people are going to expect you to do for a really long time and we can argue whether or not that's the right expectation. I actually tend to think it should be not quite that way, but I think I'm an outlier there. But you know, why are you doing this? And why are you going after this particular opportunity and then why this firm and then why will the entrepreneurs pick you and implied in that as a whole bunch of understanding of backgrounds and and the competitive landscape and does the world need another fun doing this and hopefully the answer is yes, but sometimes you honestly see folks starting funds and they haven't really thought through all of this and it's well, you know, it's a really competitive time to be in the market. So if you haven't thought through all these things the learning curve on the street is a really tough It's might be easier to brights really small checks into companies maybe but it's certainly not easy to compete with established firms like yourself and your colleagues and At a folks out there mean there's there's no lack of people aware that this is an interesting opportunity now tell us a little bit about open LP, you know, we read about it and seen it across social but tell us what may be about the inspiration and the initiative sure. The inspiration came gosh is moving on. I want to say four or five years ago. I was chatting with Chris to those who is a wonderful LP that we get to I get to co-invest with on occasion. Yep. We we love him too, and he loves his diet coke. Yes. Yes, he does and I honestly don't remember where we were or where we were chatting but we were to having this kind of conversation like what's going on in the ecosystem and Chris is always very Visionary and he was like, you know what I bet folks would love to hear what LP's have to think on this and it just once that question was that statement was made it just was interesting idea and we're like, well, how does one do that? And the simplest thing is a hashtag on Twitter? Obviously, not everybody's on Twitter or looks at that but it was a simple idea and so that was an easy thing to launch and then Cuz we had some capacity here at Sapphire. We put up the open LP website, which is really just an ability to repost articles because what we wanted to do is create an ecosystem that it was invited everybody to play in and was would help be an amplifier to anyone who wanted to write from even GPS that right sort of I consider the LPS perspective if you're writing about the industry or means or Trends or if an LPS writing just finding a way to pull people together and am Fight that was the whole Genesis of it. It's super simple. It's a hashtag in a website and we have a newsletter and we've reached out to a bunch of LPS and said if you write something will retweet it will post it and folks have joined the conversation and and that's great because I really do think that the lp voice is missing or has been missing make sense. It's interesting. Now the amount of transparency across the ecosystem. We're starting to get Founders asked us who are LPS are yeah, which hasn't happened in a while. So, oh really? Ali do they have an opinion like do they do they name LPS or is it more about is the money flowing to initiatives I care about or just how does the money work because in the beginning when I started talking to folks about how the Venture industry works and I appreciate this. I worked at a start-up back in the day and I had Zippo idea that it was venture-backed. I mean it was like I knew the words read it know what that meant. And I would have zero idea how the VC fund raised and I've entrepreneur say to me like well does the money come from a bank? Does it come from an ATM and you just such a lack of? Basic education availability of information right? Because if you're an entrepreneur you're caring about your product. There's no reason why you should have a whole understanding of how the Venture ecosystem works. But it's helpful. First time. I feel like it came up was around all this stuff in Saudi Arabia and MBS, you know, obviously there's very large funds SoftBank Etc that are recipients of capital from Saudi Arabia, but I think a lot of Founders kind of, you know woke up, you know, some of them if they if they could choose didn't want to take money that originated from I'm certain places. I feel like at least for me. That was the Genesis of a lot of the beginning of the questions unlike who are your lbs, but I think it also leads to the sophistication of the GP in terms of are you institutionally backs, you know by fund of funds or you know endowment or pension fund or foundations versus maybe, you know family offices or high net worth or and I think Founders are starting to understand, you know, the differences between institutional funds and otherwise, I'm impressed. I think that The more the transparency the veteran so it's a great conversation to have and I'm definitely, you know, very very impressed by Founders who asked that so Founders that are listening when you pitch your VC know ask them ask them who their investors are. I think it's time. These are for the lightning round just say the first thing that comes to your mind. Okay. What's the best part about being an LP? The people the people we invested and the people that they invest in what's the most challenging part of your day saying no saying no to an investment potential saying No, I don't have time to do everything that I'd like to do now saying those sucks. I agree. How do you maintain your work-life balance? That's a tough question. I'd like to believe I have some I think mostly I'm at a good place on work-life integration and we'll leave it there. What's one thing you're bullish on that the Mark is bearish on what I love about Ventures. I don't think it's a zero-sum as people seem to pretend or Eve that they do I just don't really believe that it is let me just say it cleanly that way. I don't maybe there are only 15 or 20 companies that matter every year but I don't see any reason why there couldn't be two hundred to Five Hundred companies every year it's and then everybody could have a 10x fund and there is no reason why your fun can't be 10x and your colleagues next to fun can't be 10x is just a matter of a lot of great companies being built. I fully believe it's possible. Otherwise, we believe that humans are limited in our capacity to build great companies and I fundamentally don't think that's true the best book you've read recently. Or Netflix show or Hulu or Amazon or Disney or apple or if you have time to do any of those things? Well, I watched silly action was on plane. So I don't think I'm going to cop to my most recent but they usually involve guns and Loud rock music and aliens and you did you cry during those movies because even like the craziest non-emotional action movies on planes for whatever reason I'm like crying I'm tearing it's like a very emotional place on Plan is that happen to you too all the time. In fact, it's so glad you said that because it's one of the biggest challenges. I have it I'm flying with people that I know like if you bump into people plane you like. I'm going to be a week Fest or watching Fast and Furious. I'm really sorry totally. Hope these are we really appreciate your time and your wisdom full disclaimer. We are Sapphire is not an LP eniac in parentheses. Yets life is long. And obviously we're just going to know each other but A highly of you and what you what you built over over at Sapphire and what you continue to do in the ecosystem, so it's an it's an honor to interview you here. Oh, thank you for having me. You know, we've always been so impressed by your work you are so in the front of understanding mobile and taking that out and moving it to the next iterations of what's coming. So, it's really an honor to be part of your ecosystem in any way. We really appreciate that. Thank you so much Cesar, and thanks everyone for listening make sure to also follow at C2 scale on Twitter and subscribe. Subscribe to anywhere you listen to podcasts, but a better be anchor one of our company's. Thanks guys.

Beezer Clarkson is the Managing Director at Sapphire Ventures, leading Sapphire Partners‘ investments in venture funds domestically and internationally. Beezer began her career in financial services over 20 years ago and has held various direct and indirect venture investment roles, including Draper Fisher Jurvetson Global Network, which then had $7 billion under management across 16 venture funds worldwide, as well as operational roles in software business development. In this episode, Beezer speaks with Eniac Partner Nihal Mehta on the genesis of OpenLP, a community effort she spearheaded to foster greater understanding in the entrepreneur-to-LP tech ecosystem, as well as the fundamental role of an LP in venture, their relationship to partners and how they want to ensure they are bringing value to the funds beyond just capital. Beezer also discusses the recent string of IPOs and her perspective on how it impacts the ecosystem, as well as how staying private longer impacts employees and how equity/liquidity is viewed. She also gives advice to funds just starting out - what she looks for, expectations and opportunities. If you liked this episode, please share and tag us on Twitter: @beezer232 @SapphireVC @nihalmehta @EniacVC @seedtoscale  Send comments or suggestions to seedtoscale@eniac.vc.

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the human History Podcast. I'm your host James Baldwin. And on this podcast. We take a dive into the history of humans mainly through our civilizations focusing on a general understanding of the events Innovations and figures which make up the history of us want to begin each Episode byMeaning everyone that I am neither historian or an archaeologist as podcast is simply a way for me to share some information with you all about subject which I find incredibly fascinating the first season in the human History Podcast will naturally start at the beginning with ancient history and the world's earliest civilizations. We're going to start with the earliest known civilizations in recorded history and then move our way around the map as we move through time. We're going to explore the Sumerians and other The Empire's the Harappan in India the progenitors of the Chinese and Central Asia will eventually make our way to the Han Dynasty in China the Romans the Gupta Empire in India, which lasted until 543 ad we're also cross the oceans will also cross the oceans to discover the early peoples of mesoamerica. So we got a lot going on. We'll also have a few non civilization centered episodes about things which I think are. Interesting and also just important for kind of attaining that General understanding of the history that we're shooting for here. Just an example we're going to do an episode or maybe two on the Silk Road. So I'm looking forward to that one. Just a quick note. A lot of ancient history is known to us through the archaeological record. So different discoveries and texts and a lot of these texts especially are you know, they're mythological or the religious in nature or some of them are just clerical. So a lot of it can be interpreted in different ways. So we don't have a quote unquote clear history of the ancient world, but we do have General idea of what happened and who did what beginning around right around the middle of the third millennium BC and that's the story. I'm attempting to share with you here. So that being said I am using some specific sources for this and other episodes, which does mean that for certain things. I'll be giving one historian or one archaeologists point of view. But in cases where it seems to be there seems to be a lot of debate or a lot of inconsistencies when it comes to the dating. I've done my best to point this out so that you guys know when something is maybe a little bit less hard fact a little bit more speculation or hearsay. Okay. So here we go on today's episode. We are talking about a civilization which some credit with inventing the wheel building the first cities developing the earliest system of writing and building the first Empires. Today we're talking about the Sumerians. The first thing I want to do before we start is acknowledge my sources. I'll put a full full list of all the sources in the show notes, but the main sources that I used for this episode that I'll you're going to probably hear me reference. First. One is the history of the ancient world from the earliest accounts to the fall of Rome by Susan wise Bauer. This is going to be probably one of my main sources for a few of the episodes. Obviously as you can tell by the title. She does a great job. Her chapters are really concise and they run through a nice chronological history given a good understanding of kind of just the background events and characters that kind of made up the story. So I'm going to be referencing her a We also have the Sumerian World which is edited by Harriet Crawford. And I also used the online ancient history encyclopedia. And then one more quick note one of the main sources of information for all of these sources and all of information about ancient Sumerians in ancient Sumer. It's the Kings list, which you're going to hear me reference during this episode just for some context. The Kings list is an ancient Sumerian texts preserved on clay tablets that records each of Summers Kings goes from the earliest of Who may or may not have been mythological to the end of the Sumerians in the beginning of this and Dynasty? around or in the late 3rd Century, BC Okay. Many thousands of years ago the Sumerian king Al ulam ruled over. Irri do a walled City a safe space carved out of the unpredictable and harsh River Valley that the Romans would later name Mesopotamia al-alem's rise to power marked the beginning of civilization in his Reign lasted for almost thirty thousand years. I want to begin by just providing a brief introduction to the Sumerians from there. I'll introduce you to some of the key figures who inhabited Sumer during this time period and then we'll move on to a discussion of the main events some of the key Innovations from the Sumerian era. So to start off with where are we? The land known as Sumer occupied the Southern Plains of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers the northern Terminus of the Persian Gulf and modern day Iraq and Kuwait. If you look at a map, you can still see the area quite clearly. You can see the two rivers beginning at the gulf and then sort of diverging slowly creating almost a V and it's in the southern. Part of this River Valley between them where we find ancient Sumer. The Sumerians were one of the first civilizations of recorded human history on top of devising agricultural techniques and building roads and canals as part of some of the world's first cities Sumerians were responsible for an amazing number of Firsts for our species. They gave us the first epic hero. The first monotheists has Bauer says the invention of the wheel and of writing the first written set of laws. It was really them along with the Elements in the Indus Valley in India and in Asia which we'll talk about in future episodes the truly began the process of building civilizations and it can provide us with solid look at some of the earliest historical records of human beings as they made that shift from wandering hunter gatherers and two collections of small villages into towns and eventually into cities and engaging in essentially international trade. So the name Sumerian actually comes from Acadian, which is the language of the north of Mesopotamia. It's a later Empire that we'll talk about and will reference it during this episode as well. But an akkadian Sumerian means land of the Civilized Kings they were once believed to be descendant of group which came from the north to invade the Southern Plains of the Tigris and Euphrates, but more recent Nations using modern technology and I believe it was sonar technology tells kind of a different story kind of tells a story of a slow coming together of people different peoples from the north. But as well as the South and the East over many different Generations, it was definitely one of the earliest agricultural civilizations to develop and this intermingling theory that is more recent is further supported by the language. The Sumerian words are mostly built on one syllable routes by the time they began to write their language. It was peppered with two syllable Roots like the City of Erie do for example, and these words are Semitic and the Semitic people came as We Know. From other history they originated from the south and west of Sumer. another thing is that the Semitic loanwords that we see in Sumerian are almost all names for farming techniques plow or Furrow farmer in other occupations, which go along with farming basket maker and Carpenter and Bauer says this next part in fact, but I'm just going to use the term that's very possible that the semites were the ones who introduced the Aryans to these agricultural skills in these farming techniques as far as when we're talking about the most recent archaeological evidence suggests that people's were inhabiting the land of summer long before around 4500 BC possibly as far back as around 50 400 BC some historians continue to prefer the name Sumerians as it applies to the peoples of the area from about 32 BC onwards, but that I think is Has a lot to do with just being a maybe not call it a relic but it has to do with the evidence that suggested the Sumerians were a distinct group who invaded from the north rather than the amalgamation of groups from the north south and east which quote-unquote seeped into the land known as Sumer and constant phases of settlement and the end of Sumerian civilization can be placed right about 2004. BC when the city of UR fell to heal my Invaders which we will talk about. In terms of the different time periods of the Sumerian era you'll hear historians and archaeologists talk about these different time periods. Now the earliest and again with different archaeologists and different historians, you may you know, there is some different verbiage used as far as the Time periods are concerned as far as I understand it hits these names the ones that I'm going to give to you come from. Pottery that was discovered in these areas and that's where the names come from. So the period the really early period and Sumerian history from prior to about 40 200. BC is referred to as the ooh by Ed period which is you be a ID and then once we get closer to around 4000 into third 800 BC we're getting into the early Uruk period which is you are UK and we have an early and an early middle and late middle and a late aruch period and that lasts until right around 3000 right around 3000 BC. And then after that we have what some call the the aruch the third period or the third aruch period others have started calling it The Jump Nasser period this is all mostly just for your guys information. I know this is kind of a lot but it's just kind of interesting and then right around 2900 BC is when you start the early dynastic first and second periods. We move into the early dynastic third. third periods right around 2600 and then it's right around the 25 2300 time where we get the first dynasty of UR not last for a couple hundred years until the akkadian Empire takes over and then we have the third dynasty of UR which comes back after the akkadian Empire and there's a few other dynasties that are in there that will talk about but these are just kind of the main the main time periods that that you're going to hear talked about the third dynasty of UR coming after the acadians. You'll see it if you see it in writing you'll see it as our which is you are or the third or they do in Roman numerals. So those are the kind of the main time periods. As far as the Sumerians go that you'll see historians and archaeologists talk about and it's actually kind of an interesting story as far as why this area kind of became what would become known as the cradle of civilization? So at the end of the last ice age starting right around 11 Thousand BC the temperatures started to rise the land north of the Persian Gulf became dried out. And you know as the these temperatures are rising these glaciers from the Ice Age were receding and then each year the streams would flood and then they would recede into their beds and they would deposit silt onto the banks of the intertwining streams. It would cause these streams to be pushed apart. So the Gulf of the Persian Gulf actually started creep northwards, you know, about 11 or 10,000 BC. They think that the northern coast of the Persian Gulf was closer to modern day Qatar, which is about 300 miles south of where currently sits which is pretty incredible. So the gulf continue to creep northwards as melting glaciers cause a sea levels to rise the people on the southern playing closest to the gulf had a deal with the shifting landscape and then you combine that with a seasonal floods. And there was also a lack of stone. There was no Timber there was no grasslands what the people in this area did have were the Reeds which grew along the banks of the streams and they had mud obviously and the mud could be molded out and dried you can mix it with reeds and you could bake it and from that you get bricks and those bricks would form the very first houses of the very first Villages and they would eventually A form the city walls and they would eventually be used to form some of the earliest pots and dishes that humans would use in our history. I'm going to post a link. There's this amazing video on YouTube of a gentleman who is just out in the woods just going through this process just showing you how you can essentially make read mud bricks. It's pretty phenomenal. So I'll post that. guys can check that out in as far as kind of how these people were able to you know go from the what we always hear about the hunter-gatherers who wandered through a lot of those a lot of those areas for a long time and even after the Sumerians continued to exist and to this day, we still have some tribes of hunter-gatherers, but it seems to be that the way that they were able to kind of settle or maybe I would say the reason that they settled was these Advanced farming Techniques that we saw come about which as we said likely came from the Semitic tribes who moved into the area from the southwest and then also the Innovations in construction like the mud brick which allowed them to construct the homes and eventually the cities. The early peoples of the Sumerian planes built the community's really slowly but by about 3600 BC they built one of the world's earliest cities. They had invented the wheel and the sailboat and the first form of writing so You know 3600 BC. We're looking at 5,000 years ago. You know. A little bit more than we're looking at more than 5,000 years ago 5,500 years ago. We had the wheel we had the sailboat. We had the first form of writing the world's earliest cities and it's all kind of coming from just this one one little spot right on the right on the northern coast of the Persian Gulf. It's pretty it's pretty incredible. Think about so we're going to talk about some of the key figures in Sumerian history. We have I mean in the Sumerian record, we have some of the most fascinating and you terminal characters from our human history. We have Gilgamesh which is a name sure. A lot of you will recognize who's the first epic hero of literature gudea, the prince of lagash his statues are probably some of the most recognizable in the archaeological record. A lot of you have probably seen him in museums. Then not maybe not known who he was but his statues a lot of his statue survived to this day. We also have Abram who power calls them first monotheists and he would become Abraham the father of three world religions. We have ur-nammu qinger nemu who would lead the Sumerian Renaissance. He would set down the world's first known written set of laws or might have been essential gear. Not really. A hundred percent sure on that but along with essentially they both built a huge Monument which still Towers over the Iraqi landscape to this day, which we will talk about later in the show. So in the city of Uruk around 2800 BC a king named mezquia. Gosh who ruled the time aruch may have been the largest city in the world with a population of between 40 and 80 thousand people mezquita. She expanded her Works trade to secure Copper from McGann in modern-day Oman on the southern end of the Golf and Tennis. in from the mountain tribes of the Zagros Mountains to the east ensuring rukh's access to the metal it needed for weapons and just a couple of quick notes Here the Sumerians started adding 10% ten or arsenic to their copper to produce bronze as early as around 3000 BC some put it a little bit earlier some a little bit later which but I mean That in and of itself puts them in the Bronze Age full 700 years prior to the northern European civilizations, which is pretty incredible. And another note is that under a mask? I go sure right around 2800 BC and possibly earlier. The Sumerians were using Reed boats at the cult with bitumen which was capable of carrying up to 20 tons of metal which they could use to trade grain oil and wool for copper at the ports of McGann, which I that just blows my mind the fact that 5000 years ago people were building boats out of reeds growing on the sides of rivers that could carry 20 tons of metal hundreds of miles. Through the sea is is pretty incredible. And in case you guys aren't familiar bitumen is essentially tar the viscous form of petroleum, which is a natural byproduct of the decomposition of plants. It's essentially the early version of what we use to pave our Rose today, but some interesting facts is that it's actually been used by humans for at least 40,000 years. So one of the earliest one of the earlier discoveries of humans, it's pretty useful. So actually so this is from thought co.com in some places bitumen extrudes naturally from territorial sources and others. It appears in liquid pools, which can Harden into mounds and in still others. It uses from under water seeps washing up is tarballs long sandy beaches and Rocky shorelines. So I just have this image of this ancient Sumerian or probably group of them. Just going out to this tar pit that they know. Of just collecting just masses of the stuff and using it in large scale. You know, I mean at least maybe not large scale as in size, but as an you know mass production of boats, it's pretty incredible. So mezquia sure went down to am on to get copper went over over to the east to get 10 so that they could secure weapons and when he died his son and Mark are took over in an apparent bid to live up to his father's reputation actually launched an attack against the elamites city of Errata, which was a trade partner of Uruk relatively boom. City quote on this is a quote admired for its riches. It's metal workers and it's skilled Stone Cutters and actually this story about an armored car and its attack on a Radha is one of the earliest stories that we have available to us in the written human record, but the attack did presumably fail and he and we're card died without having children and he was succeeded by a man named lougle Banda who was a fellow Warrior of unmarked cars. He was actually the star of a few epic tales in his own, right? you know the stories that I story that was talking about where they wrote about the This attack from Enric are on Errata and Lugo Banda came out as one of the one of the one of the stars of that show. I guess I would put it but apparently the attack did not go well, but according to Wikipedia the Sumerian Kings list tells us that lougle Bando was the second king of Uruk and he ruled for 1,200 years. The Epic Tales are based on his time as a warrior and the army of Mr. Carr. Willing to take a red-eye as we said. Yeah, and so he ruled he ruled for a while and then after him it was an unrelated Warrior and it doesn't seem to be any hereditary succession after that and then seems to be about a hundred years later when we come across a new king and a new bid for power from aruch and this king's name was Mesh from ancient history encyclopedia. This is a quote known as Bill gum ass in Sumerian Gil gamos in Greek and Associated closely with the figure of dumuzi from the Sumerian poem The Descent of inanna Gilgamesh is widely accepted as the historical fifth king of Uruk who reigned in the 26th Century BCE and quote. So Gilgamesh, he was a real person. He really did exist. He was likely in a surpr to the throne, which was not uncommon for that time and that place his father was likely a high priest in the service of the God on this from Bauer quote the Kings list their the king list calls him leeloo a word which implied demonic powers. So that's fun Gilgamesh claimed Lugo band as his father, which maybe is a good call if people think that your father has demonic Powers Lugo Banda. I mean like we said, it's been about a hundred years. But again, this isn't something this is something that you'll see again. And again in a lot of these ancient civilizations is when a new king comes to power, you know, he'll claim Him descent from whoever he believes is going to give him the strongest claim to the throne and I really doesn't matter if that person you're claiming as your father lived a hundred years earlier. But he did, you know, he did succeed. He took the throne of Uruk and then he turned his eye to Kish which is another early Sumerian city. And by that time it was the pearl of the Sumerian world and it was the home to the man claiming superiority over the Sacred City of Nipper and of the Sumerian were region. So at that time it was essentially the person running Kish essentially claim themselves. To be they call themselves The King of Kish which essentially meant that they were calling themselves the king of Sumer. So it was really the central place kind of the main the main goal for anybody who really wanted to consolidate power and Rule so Gilgamesh turned his eye there. But after campaign North are I'm sorry, so he took a campaign North into the woods so that he could secure some Timber to build fortified walls. Which in the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the you know that earliest of Epic Tales it talks about Stone and copper walls, but that was that was an exaggeration. They would have been it would have been wood Timber walls, which Gilgamesh would have had to take. Soldiers North into the land of I'm trying to remember I think it would have been the elamites where they were going to get this wood but he goes and gets it and he builds these 45s fortified walls. So now he's ready. He's ready for Kish. So he marched on City ruled by a man named n and my Baraga see and he's the first Sumerian king. Rain can actually be estimated as being on the throne around 2700 BC and my Baraga see ruled for years before Gilgamesh ever came to power and aruch. He was not the only king of Kish or he was not only the came Kish but like I said, he was the protector of the Sacred City of napur and so Gilgamesh gathered his arm. He's got his Siege weapons got his horses and he marched on Kish. And he failed we know this because and myrrh and member gissy actually died on the throne and he passed his rule down to his son, Agha. Who actually reached out to Gilgamesh for peace when he came to power but Gilgamesh actually attacked Kish again. He attacked gah, and this was actually against the wishes of the Council of Elders, but with the support of the Council of the younger able-bodied men, which Bauer tells us is a common form of government in Sumer. You have these two groups similar to Parliament. I guess you could you could sort of relate it that way or to the Senate and in Greece in ancient Greece there were essentially just these councils that the leader would go to and kind of seek advice and sometimes permission depending on the power situation. Action, but yeah, I was generally There Was You Know older wise with older wiser men and then there would be the younger more able-bodied men in this would be a common form of government that you would see so Gilgamesh was offered peace and he apparently saw it as a sign of weakness rather than as a sign of peace. Peace and he attacked and he failed again and we know this because actually the first dynasty of Kish which is the dynasty that in my berry guess see and I got were a part of is actually eventually brought down by the king of her whose name was messing up a top. I'm sorry messing up Hada. He'd been quietly waiting in the wings for decades as Gilgamesh kind of ran himself up against Kish and after he retreated for the second time the king of UR moved in and he took down a guy and claim the throne in the title of Kish her. Yeah, so he took the title of Kish, but he also ruled or earlier and Nipper. And so this time Gilgamesh it's a little bit more patient. He waited until The Old King messing a potted died and he passed the throne to his son más. Que El gouna and then he finally made a third attempt and a successful attempt to take Kish. So at this point he taken control of Kish earlier work, which was hist City. And / and this is more land than any Sumerian king before him. But he did die shortly after consolidating all this power and he left everything to his son. So now I want to talk a little bit about the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is the story that I'm sure a lot of you have heard of it is known as the oldest piece of Epic literature and world history. It's a composite of six different stories and a PostScript which is been translated from bits and pieces of clay tablets written in the number of languages including Sumerian and Assyrian, which Come later on later Empire of the region and the stories that we find come from are dated from anywhere between 2100 BC and 626 BC. It was first discovered in its akkadian version in the mid 19th century by Hormuz Rasam, Austen Henry layard and WK Loftus on clay tablets Unearthed from the ruins of the library of Ashurbanipal who is the last great Assyrian king who ruled until about 6 26-6 27 BC. So the six stories that you find in the Epic of Gilgamesh are the tale of an kaidu which tells a story of the people seeking deliverance from the Tyrant Gilgamesh. So the gods send the creature in kaidu down but Gilgamesh actually claims him and they become friends but that in that still creates peace in the process. And if you re different interpretations, it's essentially a talks about in kaidu being gilgamesh's own struggles for Essentially being responsible leader on maturing. It's very interesting. I mean we could probably do an entire episode just on the story of the Epic of Gilgamesh, but we won't do that yet. So the second story is the journey to the cedar Forest which actually tells the story of the campaign into the Northwoods to go and get that Timber that they needed to fortify the Balls before they marched on Kish and in this story Gilgamesh defeats the giant hugeness or in I believe it Sumerian. His name is humbaba. The third story is the bowl of Heaven Gilgamesh spurns the advances of the Goddess inanna, so she sends the bull of heaven after him and in Chi do but they do kill it. But as punishment inanna who is actually also known as Ishtar you may have heard she senses and kaidu to death and kills him. Unfortunately. The fourth story is gilgamesh's Journey. And Gilgamesh is so torn after the death of his friend. He goes on a search for immortality and he reaches the land of boot not p-stim Putin a piece Tim. Who is the Sumerian Noah figure and I think I haven't decided but I do think that I am going to do an episode. solely devoted to ancient flood myths because I think that's an interesting subject and we would talk more about it and I pushed him and the Sumerian flood myth there, but for story Gilgamesh goes and he actually finds him fifth Story is the story of the flood in which una pitched him tells him the story and that's where the story actually the ancient Sumerian flood story comes from comes from the Epic of Gilgamesh or at least that's Where it has been recorded and where we found it I should say the six story is gilgamesh's Quest in which he searches and fails to find immortality. There's obviously, you know, there's a lot more a lot more to all of these stories just giving a very brief description to just kind of give you an idea of the stories behind the Epic of Gilgamesh and then there is a PostScript which laments his death and only the first two stories in the PostScript can actually be said with relative confidence to be from within Striking Distance of his lifetime, you know talking closer to that 2100 BC range and Bauer comments on the relationship between death and the oldest epic story known to mankind which is kind of interesting Gilgamesh, you know, as we know he attained Godlike status within only about a hundred years of his Actual lifetime but a part of a story is his death and its eventual inability to attain immortality and actually the lament from the PostScript to the Epic of Gilgamesh goes like this. You were given the kingship everlasting life was not your destiny. You had power to bind and loose Supremacy over the people victory in battle, but do not abuse this power deal justly with your servants in the palace. So guys if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer and anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify a podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a Cast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. So that's Gilgamesh one of the earliest characters of human literature known to us. And who is the star of the oldest piece of Epic literature and it and you know, I do find interesting. This is one of one of the reasons that I do love history as finding things like this where you know, I'd always known about the Epic of Gilgamesh. I've heard of it. I knew I knew what it was. I didn't know, you know, I'd never read it. I didn't know the details, but I did know that it was the story of an epic hero and his name was Gilgamesh. Just essentially all I knew so it's interesting. Going to kind of go back and see that you know, we do know that he was a real person. We do know that he You know and then the interesting facts about his life, you know that he was likely he's likely in a circular to the throne which again carries a lot more negative connotation in modern context. And in those days was really not that it wasn't it was quite normal. So don't think that I'm maligning Gilgamesh at all Gilgamesh fans out there, but you know just the the idea of his struggles to take Kish his failure. And his eventual success which was short-lived but then for him to come back, you know, so short after to be immortalized that way to a point where 5,000 years later. We still know. His name is I'm still talking about him is pretty incredible. So we are going to go on to another figure in Sumerian history gaudia or gudea of lagash the prince of lagash and Lille of the gosh. These are all different names for him. And I just want to take a second here to just say at this point of time because I'm kind of doing a little chronological order with these figures, so I want to just talk about for a quick minute. The akkadian Empire which will cover more fully in another episode formed under Sargon and around 20 334 BC. So he created the akkadian Empire essentially which ruled for about 200 years and then the fall of a god which was the akkadian capital have been around 2150. There was a an invasion Augustin Invasion, which we'll talk a little bit about the point. I'm trying to get to here is that in the middle of the Sumerian era Sargon came in and establish the akkadian Empire which ruled for about two hundred or so years. After which we saw we see the Sumerian Renaissance which began with good idea. The whole point is a lot of you'll see some historians and some archaeologists. They'll refer to the time after the akkadian Empire as a Neo Sumerian era, but for the purposes of this podcast, I am just going to call them all summer. Ends up until the fall of her in 2004 BC. But I just kind of wanted to give you guys that little side note just in case if you ever come across the term Neo Sumerian, you'll know you'll know what they're talking about. So good idea of lagash. He he's pretty well known for as I talked about a little bit earlier. He's known for the numerous distinctive statues of him which have survived to this day as far as who he was as a person. He likely came from outside the city of lagash lagash being another one of The main Sumerian cities during this time. He married the daughter of lagash is ruler were Baba. Her name was Anna Nala which secured him as entry into the Royal house. Now. I kind of mentioned it briefly but there was an invasion from the north from people called The goossens Who were roaming tribal people who came in and just Really wreak some stuff kind of took over the acadians couldn't fight them and you know, the Sumerians were essentially under Katie and Rule subjugated at this point not very powerful. So the yushins came in and essentially took down the acadians and set up I don't want to say set up shop because you know, they were they were much of a much different culture than And the people of the Sumerian plane, they didn't necessarily set up cities and societies and things and that matter. So we do see the fall of the acadians and then a little bit after the fall of the acadians which was around 2150 BC with the fall of their Capital. That's when we see gaudia start to begin the process of an uprising essentially. He was responsible for kicking all the goosh ins out of lagash and eventually took over as its king. He's not listed on the Sumerian king list. Empower suggest that his power never reached beyond the walls of lagash, but from other sources that I saw what it seems to me is that you do is never really interested in being a king. So he kept the title of an allele which is essentially if I understand it correctly is more governor governor of the city the city state so less of a king and I think that may have more to do with the fact that he's not listed as a Sumerian king is because he never pretended to be a king or called himself a king, but he rained for about 20 years in the gosh from 2142 2120 BC and he instituted some social reforms he Canceled debts. He allowed women to own family land just a couple of the examples. And so this so actually this is from Sumerian Shakespeare.com kind of going back to what we were just talking about says although gudea use the title NC which was ruler Governor rather than the more exalted title of lougle, which was King. He was a king in all but name So that's interesting. So, I mean he had I mean the people followed him the people he had the power to make changes and obviously, you know Institute these social forms, so he essentially was a king. He just doesn't seem to have called himself a king which whether or not that has to do with his own personal principles or whether he was just clever. And maybe didn't want to call himself a king. It's not really any way to know that but we do know because there were Victory tablets clay tablets. They do claim claim that gudea re-established trade with the elamites for copper with India for red stones and with Northern parts of Mesopotamia. And we do know that he brought Stone from McGann to build statues because we still have a lot of these statues and a lot of statues show him in plain ceremonial clothing with hands clasped humbly in front of him the very recognizable. You'll see him. He looks very as I said very humble and you know again Historians and archaeologists talk about what this means and whether or not this kind of shows a true deference to the gods and a true Pious honest and humbleness for his position or whether he just knew that it would be smarter to play it that way. Either way. It's pretty interesting and again, We still have these we still have these statues to this day, which I find fascinating and we do know he did build a temple to the God of War and the patron deity of lagash, which is in gear Sue we have his recounting of this experience preserved on clay tablets and it's known as actually known as the building of nin gear Sue's Temple. And so today I was really interesting figure. He's kind of the one you could say who he was the initial figure of the Sumerian Renaissance. I mean, we'll get to earn emulator who kind of did a little bit more expanded a little bit but as far as in the immediate aftermath of the akkadian Empire following good deal was Pretty quick, too. re-establish control of his own city state and Institute some pretty important social reforms that, you know, come down to us even to this day and then his statues and know I mean and that's the thing we see these Stones coming from Oman hundreds and hundreds of miles away kind of gives you that's kind of one of those things where archaeologists and historians can say, okay they had some level of Prosperity to be able to do those types of things not only to be able to build the boats. and you know to be able to have a place where you have the experts to be able to do those things and to be able to get the materials to build them, but then to be able to safely travel hundreds of miles in the ancient world, you know, you have to you have to have established some level of power and you can see that okay, so now I want to talk about someone who you could probably put on a list of most influential people In human history, and I don't mean influential as in necessarily as in you know, their direct actions created a direct influence in their time more. The Abram was a person who lived and within. You know within about a thousand years of him living I would say within. Yeah, but then one or two thousand years of him living. You have three world religions essentially based off of his life. And those three world religions dominate the world that we live in today and it's all I mean, it can all really be. I mean, honestly, I guess you could make the argument that he would be the most important or influential figure as far as Being able to draw a direct line. From obviously Judaism and Islam directly to Abraham and then there's a direct line from Christianity to Judaism. And I mean so and I mean to be honest with you I wasn't even aware of. The fact that Abraham was a real figure. I honestly thought that he was historical biblical figure. I wasn't a very good Catholic growing up apparently and I didn't read my Bible and didn't do my research, but I honestly thought that he was I thought that he was a historical figure but he was very real and he was Sumerian which is very interesting. And yeah, so we're going to talk about him. So the freedom of lagash undergo Dia was followed closely by freedom of Uruk, which remember was the home of Gilgamesh under its king a to who goal. And again, some of these pronunciations are going to be my interpretation and you may hear them differently and honestly, there are slightly different variations in spelling depending on which source you're you're pulling from. So but in general I think you know, if you were to see some of these things in writing you would know you would know what I was talking about. So a to hook all freed aruch from the kushans, but then he expanded his power beyond aruch. So following the expulsion, 's equal to his soldiers marched in their wake out like a spreading Ripple of circles to ur to eridu south of UR probably as far north as the ancient Sacred City of Nipper and quote. It was during this March when he was going to err, which he would later lose to ur-nammu who will talk about in a little bit that a citizen of her name Tara decided to move his household including its livestock servants wives Sons his sons and their families and they were going to move Westward. Towards a land called Canaan which was not known as Canaan then it's a little bit anachronistic but among his household was his son Abram and his wife Sarai. Or Sarah sa Rai Tara Tara was likely either Acadian or a related tribe Genesis from the Bible traces his ancestry back to Shem who Bauer points out is the biblical progenitor of the semites. According to Genesis Abram received a message from God telling him both that he would be made into a great nation and that he must leave his country and people or and go quote to the land. I will show you and quote. Bauer notes that the chronology here is kind of ambiguous. It's not really clear whether Abram received the message inner and then convince Tara to Head West after which they were Sidetrack to a different place, which we'll talk about or whether Tara headed west for other reasons and then was sidetracked to Haram and then Abram received the message to head back West when they were already in her on so the chronology is I said like most things in a History, it's a little ambiguous. But this was interesting because people living in Iran the second millennium BC were most likely worshippers of the Moon God sin and his daughter and Donna who were the patron deities of the city and the family names themselves show a connection to the akkadian and Sumerian Pantheon. Which that that in and of itself is a whole thing. But so and so here this is from Bauer quote by Blood. Abram was no different from the semites around him and not so different from the people who inhabited the land. He was headed towards but by Divine Fiat, he was separated from the rest and began something new Once Semite out of the rest one God Rising above the chaos of polytheism. He was the first monotheists. She has this idea of you know, regardless of the chronology of it this idea of receiving a message from the God was not something we've seen in human history up to this point, which is you know, it's very it's gets really interesting. So either way Tara and his family headed Northwest along the Euphrates, they eventually sidetracked a bit and settled in the town of her on which was a moon worshipping town on a while travel trade Hub after a number of years. It was a while long enough for her nemu to have taken a way to hook also thrown and then he rules for 18 years and then he passed it on to his son shogi who ruled from The for five years and it was about that time when Abram took Sarai and headed back out west towards Canaan. And like I said Canaan is anachronistic there really wasn't a name for the land that we now call Israel or Palestine at the time of Abram. It's been inhabited by Western semites. Related to those who settled sorry, so it was inhabited by Western semites who were related to the semites who settled with the original Sumerians, but they just continued on along the coast of the Mediterranean and so it had been inhabited for centuries, they built a network of cities and trade routes nothing really of note and there's not really records left behind. And Abram is really the first Oracle character of note to come out to come out to us from this area. There was a combination of ecological factors and the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt who in Egypt was the main trading partner for the Western semites of that region. So it caused Abram the ecological factors and the collapse of the Old Kingdom caused Abram to move South out of the land of Canaan and Egypt he arrived there right around 2085 BC and the reception of Egyptians to Western semites was not exactly warm. This is a quote from act or the third whose Reign would have not been far off from Abraham's arrival in Egypt. So this is a quote from the ruler of Egypt. The vile AZ attic it goes ill with the place where he is lacking in water and covered in Brushwood. He never dwells in one place, but has been forced to stray through want traversing the lands on foot. The Asiatic is a crocodile on the riverbank. He snatches on the Lonely Road and quote. So tells you a little bit about how the Egyptians felt about the Western semites. So actually while he was in Egypt Abram had to pretend that sir. I was his sister to keep from being killed by any pharaoh who may want to marry her and the sphere actually came true apparently and she was brought into the house of the current pharaoh. But Abram just says it was his it was his sister. So he was given all sorts of gifts from the Pharaoh. Thank you so much for bringing your sister to me. She's beautiful. Except after that the pharaoh's Palace was cursed and then he returned he returned to Sarai to Abram and they went back to Canaan settling near a town called Hebron. so it has been a while since they've received the message about fathering a new nation and sir, I was Getting closer to being past childbearing age. So in a practice not uncommon in Sumer at the time Abram conceived a son with psoriasis servant Hagar. So apparently God was not pleased with this and he reminded Abram of the promise and he reiterated that he he meant that the new nation would be of him and sir. I specifically and it's at this point that God renames Abraham and Sarah to seal the bond between them and there's different interpretations of the meaning of Abraham. The father is exalted is one interpretation or father of many is another from ancient Hebrew dot-org while many suggest that Abram means exalted father and Abraham means father of a multitude both names and fact mean exactly the same thing father lifted up or exalted father. so soon after soon after that soon after God reiterates his promise and renames Abraham and Sarah they run into another king who takes Sarah as his wife seems to be some bad luck on Abraham's part or Sarah's just incredibly beautiful. So this king's name was abimelech and he ruled the city of gege. in the region between Egypt and Canaan, I'm sorry the city of guerard gehrer ger AR, but he too was cursed so every woman in his Palace became Barren and he was apparently unable to perform until he finally gave Sarah back to Abraham he gave Abraham a bunch of gifts and told him he could On any of his lands, so then years later. So there's an interesting story a years later in a dispute over. Well Abraham offered a pact with the be Melech and gave him livestock as proof. He had dug the well, so there was a problem. I think if I'm remembering correctly the backstory is something like some people intruded on Abraham's well, and then abimelech came out and basically said, you know was back in these people up, but then Abraham was like didn't want to cause trouble so we offered him a packed gave him some livestock. But you also, you know, the games of livestock is proof that he was the one who dug the well and then to commemorate The Pact he planted a Grove at the site of the well, which they call Beersheba, which is a town that you can still visit to this day and you can still visit the well actually so God's promise was eventually fulfilled and Abraham and Sarah gave birth to Isaac. when both were in old age has Abraham at a hundred and Sarah was around 91 when they gave birth to Isaac so This would Mark the beginning of a new race and Abraham's instructed to circumcise the baby and himself and all the males have his family Bauer says quote presumably the sign would remind them at the crucial moment that they were not to mingle their blood with other races and quote. So that's quite interesting origin story. And then, you know, you see this when it comes to finding time when it comes time to find Isaac a wife Abraham sends a servant back to Northwest Mesopotamia and brings back his great niece Rebecca. She's from the relations. He'd stayed behind in her on and that was essentially, you know, that's essentially what we call the beginning of of the Jewish people or all abrahamic all abrahamic people. Well, no, that would be I'm sorry. So when her guard became pregnant sir, I actually with Abraham's permission with Abraham's permission send her away, but the story goes that she was approached by an Angel on the road who told her that her son would also be the father of a nation of people so she returned to Abram and raise her son Ishmael in his household according to the Quran. Ishmael was grown he and Abraham in the Quran is Ibrahim travel to Mecca and built the Kaaba which is the first house for the worship of Allah. This is the place to which all people of the book are told to turn and pray people of the book meaning followers of the Koran followers of Islam quote wherever you are turn your faces in that direction. So this is and then so Abraham essentially is the direct father of Judaism and Islam and Through that's the I mean, I obviously the stories about his sons and about the timeline of it all giving birth at a hundred ninety-one. I mean, these are all stories that were related later on but we do know that Abraham was a real Sumerian who lived some time in the third Century or third millennium, BC Who moved from Earth and moved up to the eastern coast of the Mediterranean down into Egypt and back and I mean, we do know that he was a real person who existed and these stories about his sons come to us from the Bible and it is fascinating to me how these stories have basically shaped the world that we live in. And just so you know, I guess I do have to mention. I guess the most well known in the western world one of the most well-known of all the Bible stories. So I'm just going to honestly I'm just going to quote Wikipedia here at some point quote at some point in Isaac's youth Abraham was commanded by God to offer son up as a sacrifice in the land of Moriah the patriarch traveled three days until he came to the mount that God told them of he then commanded the servants to remain while he and Isaac proceeded alone into the mount Isaac carry the wood upon which you would be sacrificed along the way Isaac asked his father where the animal for the burnt offering was to which Abraham replied. God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering just as Abraham was about to sacrifice his son. He was interrupted by the angel of the Lord and He Saw behind him a ram caught in a Thicket by his horns, which he sacrificed instead of his son for his obedience. He received another promise of numerous descendants and abundant Prosperity after this event Abraham went to Beersheba. end quote So after Sarah's death, she lived obviously to be quite old as the story is told Abraham did marry again a concubine named Keturah and he had six more Sons with her their names words. Imran joke chicken jokes on met on midden million-ish Bach. Shoog sure. I'm sorry. Sorry some of these names are. little bit little bit difficult for me and they're a bit a little bit obscured from where I type them they were being My word processor obviously did not like them very much. So he fathered six more Sons as Imran jokes on Madan Midian is Bach and schwa and Abraham is actually believed by some to be the father of many peoples including Israelites ishmaelites the edomites the amalekites the Canaanites the mid didn't some people think he actually followed the Assyrians as well. The midianites and it said that he died at a hundred and seventy-five years old. So quite I mean You know again similar to Gilgamesh where there's obviously a large mix of mythological and historical. Information intermingled as far as our understanding of the person it is it is really it is really interesting things for me is interesting in particular to understand his history in the context of something so secular as just talking about ancient civilizations and talking about cities of arou canner. It's a very It just shows you. The power of story honestly, I guess Gilgamesh and Abram were both very. Very good examples of the power of story. So we're going to go on now. We're going to talk about her nemu now. Our nemu was a king who was a part of the what some call the Neo Sumerian Empire after driving the yushins out of or let me just to give a little background on earn a move because we've talked we've mentioned it a little bit but just to give you a little reminder a to hug all who after driving the yushins out of her. he actually gave the city of UR over to a son-in-law who was her nemu and some accounts speak vaguely about two goals sudden death and earn a moose quickness to take advantage of the power vacuum, you know, they kind of talk about it as a natural a kind of things you say drowned or you suddenly just suddenly died and ur-nammu is there and but Bauer actually gives a little bit of a different take and she says quote after driving the yushins out of her a to hug all lefter nemu in charge of the city with troops on hand shortly afterwards earned him who sent his soldiers against his own King and quote so could be possible that a to ago met with a sudden natural death and ur-nammu was as his right-hand man, the natural one to claim power also seems quite possible that our namu seized power in a an incredibly hostile and fragile post. Akkadian Sumerian Revival, which is much as I am understanding about the way that things went at that point. It's probably something that I'm more inclined to believe. But again, it's not something that we know for a fact And such as ancient history regardless of how Israel began once he was in power or nemu seems to have been pretty universally regarded as truly competent and thoughtful. He's known for expanding the Sumerian Empire through some military force but mainly through Alliance and negotiations, he built a lot of temples like gudea to restore the glory of the Sumerian gods. He was a builder and Rebuilder. He built roads walls built canals to bring fresh water into the cities and he built he along with his son built the Great ziggurat of UR, which is just a phenomenal piece of ancient architecture that you can still see today. It still stands in Iraq. And it's just huge it's and talk a little bit about the great ziggurat of UR. Oh, no, I mean I just I mean I'll just tell you so I mean the ziggurats were essentially. The first large-scale temples. It's not entirely, you know, there's not a it's not a huge agreement on how exactly they use them. It's most likely that they were essentially just temples to the Gods Not So Much burials like the Egyptian pyramids. But so this is from can khanacademy.org quote. What Woolly and Willie was the person who? I believe discovered this or was the first Western person to go and see it and categorize it I guess is what I should say. What will he found was a massive rectangular pyramidal structure oriented to True North 210 by a hundred and fifty feet constructed with three levels of terraces standing originally between 70 and a hundred feet on a hundred feet high three Monumental staircase has led up to it. 8 the first Terrace level next single staircase Rose to a second Terrace which supported a platform on which a temple and the final and highest tears stood. So it was quite a quite a large quite a large structure and actually in our next episode. I'm going to talk about ziggurats a little bit more, but I just wanted to I think it's really cool. So I wanted to kind of just give you that little that little bit about that one right now. Earn em. Ooh, he encouraged arts and culture to revitalize the economy of ER and the other city-states that were under his control. So Historians and archaeologists like to talk about this time as the Sumerian Renaissance and they say that essentially not essentially this was this was the beginning of the third dynasty of UR in terms of the time periods of Sumerians. And another thing that we'll talk about in terms of ur-nammu is that he is actually the one Or his son again one of those ancient history things. We're not entirely certain but he is the one who established the code of ur-nammu, which was as far as human history goes our earliest record of written laws. And like I said, it's not a hundred percent certain whether it was established by her nemu or son shogi who was a successor, but regardless, The text of these clay tablets represents the earliest known written set of laws in human history possibly written down sometime around 2150 BC and it's clear that in order for this set of codes to have been accepted and widely used the people must have had a universal respect for the Gods in their Messengers, which were the Kings. So while standing armies are helpful in the enforcement of laws their success really depends more deeply on the acceptance by the people of the authority of the laws themselves. I thought they came directly from God. And so this is a just an excerpt from a book called Babylon Mesopotamia and the birth of civilization. It's published by Thomas Dunne books in 2010 quote. Although it is neither a true law code being far from comprehensive nor some say even introduced by ur-nammu, but by his son shogi code or no, although we only have fragments they are enough to show that the laws covered both civil and criminal matters among criminal Provisions it specifies which should be capital offenses murder robbery deflowering another man's virgin wife and adultery when committed A woman for other misdemeanors the penalty was a fine in silver urn. Emma's code stands in contrast to the more famous laws of Hammurabi drafted some three centuries later with its Savage provision of an eye for an eye tooth for tooth and quote. So just some examples and we're going to talk about Hammurabi and the Babylonians and his code in another episode, but just some examples of the loss from the code of ur-nammu. These I just find really interesting. So this was probably sometime around 2100 2150 BC and ancient Sumeria some of the earliest cities some of the earliest Empires collections of cities. These laws were to be understood by tens of thousands. If not more if not hundreds of thousands of citizens for the first time. These laws were essentially understood throughout an Empire. If a man committed a kidnapping he has to be imprisoned and pay 15 shekels of silver if a man preceded by force and deflower the Virgin slave woman of another man that man must pay five shekels of silver. If a man appeared as a witness and was shown to be a perjurer he must pay 15 shekels of silver. If a man knocked out the eye of another man, he shall weigh out half a mean of silver if a man knocked out a tooth of another man, he shall pay to shekels of silver if a man in the course of a scuffle Smash the limb of another man with a club. He shall pay one Mina of silver. So, you know, it's pretty it's pretty interesting it is as you know, as an author said I think the author author of Babylon must potamia in the birth of civilization crew was thick as he said I get stands in pretty stark contrast to Hammurabi's code. Which we see referenced in the Bible and I mean still referenced in law codes to this day and eye for an eye tooth for tooth. But we see these codes this code of loss from ur-nammu from 300 years earlier is very it's very measured it's very and you know, obviously we can have the discussion. I don't think it'd be worth having discussion about whether or not these laws are fairly written because it's a completely different time a completely different culture. Its we would have really no way to accurately have that discussion. But I think what can be said is that they are very The written in a way that it's very thoughtful. They're not they're not harsh. They're not. I guess brutal is the right word. I think that they convey a level of society. That exists. That is far beyond what a lot of people would probably think existed, you know, 4,000 years ago. Okay, so that's our first episode on the Sumerians. We are going to come back and do episode to talk about the key events in the Innovations and Sumerian civilization from the Sumerian civilization. It's going to be now it's so interesting. I mean because it's some of the earliest things I mean some of the earliest cities. We have the wheel. The earliest forms of writing will go into kind of the idea behind how writing developed very quickly. Obviously it's not going to be anything in depth. We're going to talk more about the ziggurats because I think those are very cool and we're going to talk about the rise of the akkadian empire the rise and fall of the akkadian Empire. We're not going to go too in depth into the Empire itself just because we're going to save that for another episode. And then, you know, we'll talk a little bit more about that the Sumerian renaissance' under who namu and talk about shogi a little bit. And we will talk about the fall of the Sumerians under a piece in the fall over. So there's a lot of pretty exciting stuff to talk about next time. I want to thank you guys for listening and I will I guess I won't see you next time. I guess the terrible way to end a podcast to say I'll see you next time. I guess the better thing to say is be excellent to each other.

Welcome! In this first episode of The Human History Podcast we're going back to one of the earliest human civilizations. The peoples responsible for bringing us the wheel, who developed one of the earliest forms of writing, invented the sailboat, gave us our first written laws, cities, and more. Their figures are eternal: Gilgamesh, Abram (Abraham), Gudea, Ur-Nammu. In part one of this two part series we'll introduce you to one of the most fascinating civilizations of all time - on top of being one of the earliest - as well as dive in to the main figures who guide much of ancient Sumerian history. ***NOTES*** Sources: The History of the Ancient World: From the Earliest Accounts to the Fall of Rome - Emily Wise Bauer https://www.amazon.com/History-Ancient-World-Earliest-Accounts/dp/039305974X The Sumerian World - Edited by Harriet Crawford  https://www.amazon.com/Sumerian-World-Routledge-Worlds/dp/1138238635/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+sumerian+world+crawford&qid=1573607885&s=books&sr=1-1 https://www.ancient.eu thoughtco.com khanacademy.org wikipedia.org  --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Deeply in love with Queen Victoria when he died at the tragic. The early age of 42 is broken hearted Queen was left to mourn her husband for the remaining 40 years of her Reign. I always get a strong feeling of Queen Victoria's sense of loss from this photograph of mine which shows Prince Albert and in her own handwriting Queen Victoria has written beloved Papa meaning Albert from Paul brokenhearted Muammar When she wrote it the prince canceled had already been dead for two months. No human power will make me swerve from what he decided and wished Queen Victoria vowed sadly of the prince consort death and right up until the Queen's Diamond Jubilee in 1897 that crowned the remaining 40 years of her lonely rain. She was Guided by Prince Albert. The man she had loved so passionately at the beginning of her life was now no longer at her side. But his legacy still lives on here in this country. You designed and built Royal palaces. He modernized existing ones. organisations that he headed for top great building before he was 30 Prince Albert designed and built Osborne house on the Isle of Wight as a romantic Hideaway for the queen and his family the house remains much the same as it was then a tribute to the remarkable artistic Taste of the prince consort the queen wrote in her journal. The great diary she kept her 70 years how happy we are here and never do I enjoy myself more than when I can be so much with my beloved Albert and follow him everywhere. We have to remember the Queen Victoria was only 18 when she became Sovereign by the time she was 14. She was raising a family of nine children and still her responsibilities for her country and its colonies were enormous. She'd also survived a lonely and Friendless childhood as Queen she'd grown totally dependent on Prince Albert Victoria wrote consequently. I owe everything to dearest Papa Albert. He was my father my protector my guide and advisor in all and everything my mother I might almost say as well as my husband. I had a very unhappy life as a child had no scope for my violent feelings of affection had no brothers or sisters to live with never had had a father princess Victoria's childhood was spent at Kensington Palace a few years after the Battle of Waterloo. Her father had died before she was one and Victoria was brought up by her mother The Duchess of Kent and her close Confidant. So John Conroy. They devised what came to be called the Kensington system, which was a plot to make the Duchess of Kent Regent when Victoria came to the throne their scheme was to manipulate and coerce the young child into doing what they wanted. The young princess was kept isolated here in these apartments away from the Royal Court and even separate from other children Princess, Victoria was carefully shielded and protected. To she had to sleep in the same room as her mother until the day she became Queen. Not having many young friends and no brothers or sisters of her own age young Princess Victoria made these dolls. There were well over a hundred of they were all made in the likeness of adults and they became in a way a substitute for childhood friend in short. The princess is upbringing was hardly the right kind of training for a monarch and it says something of the strength of character shown by the future Queen. But she survived her time in Kensington Palace at all. At exactly the same time Prince Albert of saxe-coburg and gotha who was Princess Victoria's first cousin was being brought up with his brother here in Coburg in the middle of Germany. The boys were raised here in sauce Hosanna. The parents were separated the mother had gone away and their father was often out of time, but in spite of that they did manage to have a very happy childhood. It was Prince Albert's Uncle Leopold later King of the belgians and brother of the Duchess of Kent in London to we decided early on that. There will be an arranged marriage between the Two Cousins Victoria and Albert now for the relatively minor House of saxe-coburg here in Germany to be linked by marriage to the English Sovereign represented a considerable increase in stages. But what Young Prince Albert lacked in wealth he made up for in hard work and artistic and intellectual ability. Albert and his brother Ernest. We're not only composers and pianists but they were also considerable draftsman. All these are by Albert and the interesting thing is I think this one here was done when he was only seven. This is a rather fine sketch of a man in armor. And this one here is of a poor lady who was about to meet some awful fate. I think as a Sabine both of them were done when he was only 13, the brothers were great lovers of natural history and they started a small collection which later became a museum and here are some examples of what they had collected that predominantly Birds. This was an interest which certain indications Prince Albert was something which was with him all his life. Dawn on the morning of June the 20th 1837 at Kensington Palace the Lord Chamberlain of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury had ridden through the night from Windsor Castle. Open up in the name of the Queen it was 6 a.m. And because of the hour they were refused entry only when they demanded to see the queen where they letting Princess Victoria was woken and informed in this room that her uncle King William the fourth had died during the night dressed still in her nightclothes the 18 year old now found herself Queen. Victoria had a remarkable first day of soccer game engine that has she began like captivating all those attending her first privy council meeting here in this room. Some of the noblest names in the land had gathered Lord Melbourne the Prime Minister Lord, John Russell Lord Palmerston the great Duke of Wellington. and Sir Robert peel That day the queen also removed herself from the clutches of her mother and abolished the Kensington system in the evening one word proclaiming her new Independence appeared prominently five times in her diary. Hello quite alone, of course quite alone. And at nine came Lord Melbourne whom I saw in my room and of course quite alone But the young Queen was not alone the court. She presided over was highly political Lord Melbourne was not only prime minister and leader of the Whig party. He also acted as the Queen's principal advisor dining and riding the Lord Melbourne most days the Teenage Queen became first dependent on his advice and then quite infatuated with the worldly 58 year old prime minister. The young Queen was really influenced by Lord Melbourne. He distrusted. Change and head from her the truth about social conditions in Britain. He believes children should be put to work in factories rather than starve. He thought flogging imprisons and treadmills was permissible and that workhouses were for the social good. So at a very early age Queen Victoria's natural sympathies were blunted by the views of Lord, Melbourne. Worse the court Queen Victoria had inherited was traditionally parties an her ladies-in-waiting appointed by the party were wives of prominent Wing politicians inevitably the crown became embroiled in a political crisis. It came when Melbourne's wig government was forced to resign the young Queen was desperate at losing her father figure. She wrote carefully at his departure for my happiness gone that dearest kind Lord Melbourne no more my minister. I solved them cried much. And the next day at Lord Melbourne's final audience. I stopped that and kept holding his hand for some time fast in one of mine as if I felt that in doing so he could not leave me. Then in her grief the young Queen behaved unconstitutionally, I could eat nothing wrote one line to the Duke of Wellington to request him to come. Instead of calling upon Sir Robert peel the leader of the opposition to form the new government. The queen asked another close friend the powerful Duke of Wellington. The queen was playing a dangerous political game to get her way. Wellington wisely declined men here is my list of cabinet appointees the disgruntled Tory opposition leader Pierre retaliate and my request ma'am is that you remove your ladies and waiting for they are political appointees. The queen would not give up her lady's butt man. The queen was asked to replace her ladies of the bedchamber many of whom had become personal friends, but all of whom were wigs supporters the queen adamantly refused in the deadlock that followed peel said he could no longer form government. Triumphant the queen wrote back to Lord Melbourne. I was calm but very decided the Queen of England will not submit to such trickery. Keep yourself in Readiness for you may soon be wanted green Victoria. Then asked Lord Melbourne her mentor and favorite to return and form another government and that brought an end to what became known as the bedchamber plot. It was an instant in which the young Queen was seen to exceed her role of All room changes would have to be made. Prince Albert of saxe-coburg and gotha just 20 found himself in this volatile atmosphere in October 1839. To encourage the union between the two Royal household. He had travelled all the way from Germany to meet Queen Victoria at Windsor. The queen saw Prince Albert at the foot of the main staircase that night she wrote it was with some emotion that I beheld Albert who is beautiful and then she went further Abbott really is so excessively handsome such beautiful eyes and exquisite nose. And such a pretty math a beautiful figure broaden the shoulders and they find waste instant Queen Victoria had fallen hopelessly in Love by protocol. The queen had to propose within five days. She had asked Prince Albert to marry her Albert wrote dearest greatly beloved Victoria. How is it that I have deserved so much love so much affection heaven. Sent me an angel whose brightness Sally Lou my life in body and soul ever your slave Albert. What started as an arranged marriage had been transformed and became one of the most important in British history it took place in Saint James's Palace in February 1840, but on the wedding day itself the times could only snare about the young Foreigner marrying the Queen the prince began diligently looking for roles. That would enhance his Prestige and influence first. He turned his energies to reorganizing the Antiquated Royal household. The prince Albert's most pressing concern was to ensure the Monica stood once and for all above Party politics. With a queen now expecting a child. It was suggested that Prince Albert had replaced Lord Melbourne and act as her principal adviser. He seized the chance from then on he took notes of ministerial meetings and drafted all the Queen's government letters when I can say about my political position is that I resolutely hold myself aloof from all parties. I speak openly with the ministers on all Tickets and ever quietly to be of as much used to Victoria in her position as I can. Sir Robert peel was aware of Prince Albert's artistic talents and invited him to chair the Royal commission to select pictures for the newly built Palace of Westminster. Albert was just 22. He had found a role at last as an energetic facilitator of great projects. At precisely this moment a new form of picture symbolic of the new technologies sweeping the country appeared Prince Albert was among the first to embrace the medium of Photography Prince Albert at 23 one of the first photographic portraits ever taken in Britain. And Queen Victoria the age of 25 with eldest daughter the Princess Royal in 1844. And here's another one of Prince Albert as a mature 29 year old by now. He was becoming an innovator determined to come to grips with the great industrial age sweeping Britain, but none of the rest of Europe were going through a dramatic change. The Industrial Revolution was produced. Great factories and Railways, but alongside that came Another Kind of Revolution social unrest as people's earnings and rights increased so did their aspirations but living conditions in the centers of work did not keep Pace Prince Albert rather than the queen was aware that the times were dangerous. As Royal houses on the continent began to buckle and fall on the popular revolution the princes diary for 1848 reflected his growing concerns. 7th of March it's a property of the French royal family is requested at Paris 10th of March riots in Munich 17th of March great riots among the peasantry inch Fabia 18th of March news of revolution in Berlin 4th of April disquieting views from Ireland 11th of April increase in energy and Germany. 18th of April a long conversation with Lord shaftesbury as to what can be done for working class has the view of the great social reformer Lord shaftesbury was the prince Albert should use his increasing power and Prestige to put himself at the head of all social movements in Art and Science and especially at those movements as they bear upon the poor and thus show the interest felt by royalty in the happiness of the Kingdom. Lord shaftesbury suggested the Prince Albert view a new type of housing that was being built in London for workers. The prince had already visited a slam dwelling and had been horrified abominable stinking holes fit neither for nano-based. 12th were then asked him to chair a meeting of the society for improving the condition of the laboring Class E a new organization building experimental Mass housing. I have just come from the modern lodging-house the opening of which we celebrate this day and I feel convinced that its existence will by degrees cause a complete change in the domestic Comforts of the laboring classes show those who possess capital. Invest that they may do so with great prophet and advantage to themselves at the same time dispensing those Comforts to the poorer of revelry. Prince Albert decided to put the royal family to work against a background of demonstrations by the chartist movement the milder reflection here of the republicanism sweeping Europe. The royal family was seen increasingly among their subjects the prince himself to the number of roles as president of charitable and educational organizations opening new hospitals and libraries. He tried to convey his genuine social concerns to the queen in April 18. 48 the chartist movement expected to march on Parliament with half a million men, but only 23,000 turned out Prince Albert wrote. We had a revolution yesterday and it went up in smoke. The law was Victorious. I hope this makes a good impression on the continent despite events elsewhere the crown it seemed had never been more popular and to give the queen and her family more security and privacy Prince Albert had built Osborne house a country Retreat on the Isle of Wight dispensing with Architects and working with expert Builders like Thomas Cubit Prince Albert found time to design and supervise. The building of Osborne house himself. Its conception tells us much about the princes ideas for fusing art with modern technology. This is the drawing room used by the queen and her family after dinner. The prince consort have designed it in an L shape so that the queen and her guests could sit here undisturbed by the gentleman playing billiards in the other part of the room Queen Victoria actually played Billiards Health Healthcare sometimes in the afternoons. I was born was above all a family home and by 1857 all nine Children of the royal couple had slept in this Nursery. Osborne house has been left today as though the royal couple still live there. Prince Albert laid out the park planting trees by semaphore signals from the main tower a model fourth was built by Punjabi to teach military maneuvers. That is good. That was an extensive Nature Museum like the one of his childhood. And how fast can it fly? But even as Osborne the queen was never far from the duties of State. Prince Albert had become the power beside the throne as he sat next to his wife drafting her letter, but she was clearly frustrated about the way successive governments had failed to recognize his services to the country Victoria wrote Oh If I Only Could make him King. To compensate the queen had a second door made leading into the council room at Osborne said that they could enter simultaneously for privy Council meetings. Then came possibly Prince Albert's finest achievement. He became a guiding force behind a festival of art science and engineering that would capture the spirit of the Victorian age. He had once admired the great conservatory at Chatsworth house in Derbyshire and when it's architect presented him with a daring plan to house the exhibition and a palace of glass the approved This is the first sketch for the great exhibition. It's a doodle on blotting paper by Joseph Paxton the designer of the Chatsworth Conservatory. At the start the great project hit difficulties many of the objections coming from establishment enemies of the foreign Prince. The Royal commission that the prince Chad had two aims it recognized the worldwide supremacy of British industry, but believed it could be further improved by exposing it to Superior design from abroad so by making the exhibition International the commission created a showpiece for free trade. This was strongly opposed by protectionists within the government. It was a question of whether this exhibition should be exclusively limited to British industry particular advantage to British industry might be derived from placing it in Fair competition with that of other nations. Then there was a problem of Finance the government declined to contribute. So the cost of a hundred and eight thousand pounds was raised by public subscription the queen and the prince provided 1,500 pounds, there was opposition to the use of the Hyde Park site led by a vociferous MP claims were made the too many trees would have to be felled. So instead Prince Albert built the exhibition round the elves. Just at present. I'm more dead than alive from Over the opponents of the exhibition work with might and Main to drive myself crazy on completion the Crystal Palace covered 16 Acres was three times the length of Saint Paul's Cathedral and made up of two hundred ninety three thousand pounds of glass. It had been put up from scratch in six months. That 100,000 exhibits had still to arrive from Britain and the four corners of the world for the opening in May 1851. Everybody is occupied with the great day of tomorrow. And my poor Albert is terribly fact terrible troubled is arrangements for the opening. this day is one of the greatest and most glorious days of our lives with which To my pride and joy dearly beloved Albert is forever associated. The Glimpse through the iron gates of the transept the waving pom-poms and flowers, the myriad's of people filling the galleries together with the flourish of trumpets as we entered the building gave a sensation. I shall never forget and I felt much moved. Among the ambassadors at the opening was a mysterious Chinaman dressed in satin who repeatedly bowed to the queen tactfully Victoria included him in the procession. He sing turned out to be an imposter. He was the owner of a Chinese junk more on the terms who pushed his way to the front. The exhibition was the greatest Treasure Trove of Industry Art and Science the world had ever seen British exhibits filled the entire Western Nave and foreign ones took up the eastern half. The Indian section was a cornucopia of gems silks Cotton's and great crowns in Precious Metals. There were elephant tusks and tiger skin the most popular exhibit was in the French section a fountain of out. Eau de cologne that ran continuously. Then there was the latest engine by James Watt possessing the collective power of 700 horsey a floating church for seafarers the Chloe nor done a soda water machine about easily converted into a comfortable mattress or safety lifebelt an india-rubber birth. Wigs that had built-in ventilation and a set of false teeth enabling the wearer to yawn. The exhibition was opened for six months and six million people attended the country's entire population was only 23 million. Prince Albert was able to write with satisfaction. So crowds art exhibition a bigger each day on the financial side. We naturally stand very well profits from the great exhibition what a hundred and eighty-six thousand pounds and Prince Albert wanted the money to encourage new design in British industry the Catalyst for the new schools of design will be a great cluster of museums in Kensington. His ideas led to Science Museum the Natural History Museum the Victoria and Albert Museum of Arts and Design and the Albert Hall for music and science exhibition. Although they weren't completed in his lifetime. The Museum's remain Prince Albert's greatest legacy to this country and they extended the influence of science Art and Design upon industry as a whole. An event in February 18-49 confirmed. Once again, the Queen's need for more privacy and security one of her sketchbooks was stolen from Windsor Castle and the contents published in a popular newspaper the times thundered let the queen of Great Britain be able to sit down to her piano or Sketchbook with the same security against intrusion as any other lady in the land. At around this time the royal couple acquired the Balmoral estate in Scotland. Its remote location was deliberately chosen to Shield the queen from repeated intrusion by the London press and he's the princes increasing exhaustion instead. Of course Prince Albert demolish the old castle and in three years designed and put up a new one the Balmoral of today. He wrote so new house is up one story and with its dress. Granite promises to present a noble appearance. The work is terribly hard the queen wrote every year my heart becomes more fixed in this dire Paradise. Now that all has become my dear Albert own creation own work own building only in out as that Osborne Balmoral was the couple's favorite place of Escape. They reveled in the healthy climate and scaled the great surrounding Hills. Highland life really captured their imagination and they became a little bit more Scottish on every visit just as Prince Albert has helped introduce the German Christmas to Windsor. So at Balmoral the royal couple lived out the romantics Cottage image of tartans kilts and bagpipes Edwin landseer was installed as the Colts favorite painter along with Carl hard. Even the ghillies were painted. The Laurel was always informed and it was here that Queen Victoria appears to have made up for the childhood. She had missed. It was wonderful. Not seeing a human being not hearing a sound accepting that of the wind or the call of the black cock or grouse. One of Queen Victoria's favorite houses. And certainly the most modest was here at Aetna dusek on the shores of Loch make about seven miles from the castle. There were two Gillies cottages and when the family wanted to be informal they came and stayed here. On one side which was joined by a covered passage to the other cartridge where the servants were. The queen wrote with the washing and cooking and everything going on in the line with one's own clothing. This court painters recorded the queen fishing and stalking deer. She was taught by local tenants. The salmon was spared here by one of the men after which we were very successful 7 salmon being caught some in the net and some speared. The scene at this beautiful spot was exciting and picturesque in the extreme. I wished for lancias pencil idyllic landscape paintings captured life of Balmoral for the royal couple and the normally restrained Prince Albert became more litical in his writing we have withdrawn for a short time into a complete. Aunt in solitude. We have one rarely sees a human face, but the snow already covers the mountaintops and the wild deer come creeping around the house. I know the man. I've also been Crawling After the harmless tags and today I Shot Two Reds, dear. Suddenly while he was at the height of his powers Prince Albert found himself in a very vulnerable position in 1853 public opinion swung violently against him over an issue of patriotism. It became known that the prince had advised the queen against sending a British Force to the Crimea to stop Russian expansion in the Eastern Mediterranean. It is too much that one man and he not an English man by birth should be at once foreign secretary commander-in-chief and prime minister under all administration's nevertheless. The controversy is soon died. Once the royal couple bowed to popular will unsupported the Expedition against Russia initially. The Crimean campaign was a disaster for the British on the men's soon became bogged down in trench warfare around the landing port of balaclava and they weren't dressed or equipped for fighting on Russian soil. There were no proper field hospitals and the dead were buried in rows by the ships in Port Paul William Russell the times correspondent at the front was the first to reveal the incompetence of the Expedition. This Army has melted away almost to a drop of miserable washed out worn-out spiritless wretches who muster out of 55,000 just 11,000 fit to shoulder a musket. It is with feelings of surprise and anger that the public will learn that no sufficient medical preparations have been made for the proper care of the wounded. It's interesting to note that my old regiment XI is ours which are discarded Prince Albert from David London when he came to Mary Queen Victoria found itself 14 years later Leading The Charge of the Light Brigade. That charge effectively ended the Battle of balaclava out of a hundred and ten officers and Men Who galloped into the Russian line less than 1/4 return. The Army was in a mess. The queen concerned about morale regularly visited those wounded who are fit enough to be evacuated. Meanwhile, the prince was approached by certain senior officers and asked to reorganize the whole structure of the army. I Hazard the In that Army as at the present organized can hardly be called an army at all, but a mere aggregate of battalions of infantry with son regiments of Cavalry and an artillery regiment principles intervention turned out to be crucial. The Army was organized for Grand foreign Expeditions. So he devised a system of Supply bases leading all the way to the battlefields of the Crimea. They had to start in the south of England. So first he looked for open land that was close to Railways and embarkation ports and could be used for Maneuvers and the base that all the shock came into being. Prince Albert advocated the setting up of hospitals at the main Supply Port of balaclava and close to the front and here you can see balaclava. With the hospital here on top of the hill. Finally Prince Albert ordered a railway to be built at full speed from the Allied base at balaclava to the Russian stronghold at Sebastopol. It was to supply the besieging British French and Turkish troops. He judged that when sevastopol fell the war will be over and here you can see that strongly defended fault in Sebastopol. The railway was effective in getting ammunition to the front. These are some of the remains of the Russian defenses around Sebastopol after the bushes and French artillery had smashed their way through when the queen took the solute at a Victory Parade in London of men who charged the Defenses at Sebastopol The Prestige of the crown couldn't have been higher. But Prince Albert's 15 years of hard work came at a price his health was deteriorating photographic portrait show the 40 year old Prince aging prematurely. His hair is receding his waist thickening his loving wife already regarded him as an official Sovereign and when the wig government of 1857 found yet another reason for not giving him the status of Prince consort Queen Victoria out of frustration awarded him the title herself. In December 1861. The idyllic marriage was suddenly over Prince Albert had caught a chill the doctors terrified of alarming the queen kept the seriousness of his. Illness from in the end. I told her that it was gastric fever every Victorian knew what that meant typhoid. The sauce has been suggested with the notoriously unreliable and Insanity drains here at Windsor Castle throughout December his condition gradually deteriorated. On the night of the 14th. The queen had tortured breathing coming from the blue room where Prince Albert Lea she rushed to his side and whispered in German. This is dusk line of Frozen. It is your little wife kiss me. Two or three long, but perfectly gentle breaths would roll the hand clasping mine and pretend to be sick to write it. All all was over. I guess this dear heavenly forehead and called out in a bitter and agonizing cry. I went to my room and I sat gazing wildly and as hard as Stone on my mate, the queen was brought to bed. She was given a little opiate. She tried to sleep but kept waking crying and crying. Doctors warn the queen not the case the body shown in this photograph for the first time then the blue room was carefully and meticulously photograph for the remaining 40 Years of Queen Victoria's reign it stayed exactly as it was when he died as the bell of st. Paul's began to toll the whole country went into mourning the queen wore black until the end of her days and the Effigy Of The Prince consort was present at all dark. as family gatherings A great statue was put up a Balmoral. As well as a can on one of the surrounding Hills. The mauseleum the whole consulted was built at Frogmore on the Windsor estate where the queen had said that one day. She would lie next to him. After the prince consort died Queen Victoria cried in her anguish. There is no one left to call me Victoria. Now. The queen was heartbroken. She didn't carry out public duties again. for five years Right at the farthest corner of the Balmoral estate on the shores of Loch neck stands the glass old. Queen Victoria used to come here to seek Solitude after she lost Prince Albert and it was here that she felt she still had some contact with him. The house has hardly changed at all since the queen lived and grieved here for the prince who danced so much to change her life and the life of this country. You can see part 2 of Victoria and Albert tomorrow at the same time on UK history in a few minutes the face of Tutankhamun. If you haven't heard about anger is the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's certain creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or go to Anchored FM to get started. Thank you for listening to this episode of queen bee the life of Queen Victoria. Remember if you would like to support this podcast. You can look in the show description notes to find a link. 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Victoria (Alexandrina Victoria; 24 May 1819 – 22 January 1901) was Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from 20 June 1837 until her death. On 1 May 1876, she adopted the additional title of Empress of India. Known as the Victorian era, her reign of 63 years and seven months was longer than that of any of her predecessors. It was a period of industrial, cultural, political, scientific, and military change within the United Kingdom, and was marked by a great expansion of the British Empire. Victoria was the daughter of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (the fourth son of King George III), and Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. After both the Duke and his father died in 1820, she was raised under close supervision by her mother and her comptroller, John Conroy. She inherited the throne aged 18 after her father's three elder brothers died without surviving legitimate issue. The United Kingdom was an established constitutional monarchy in which the sovereign held relatively little direct political power. Privately, she attempted to influence government policy and ministerial appointments; publicly, she became a national icon who was identified with strict standards of personal morality. Victoria married her cousin Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in 1840. Their children married into royal and noble families across the continent, earning Victoria the sobriquet "the grandmother of Europe" and spreading haemophilia in European royalty. After Albert's death in 1861, Victoria plunged into deep mourning and avoided public appearances. As a result of her seclusion, republicanism in the United Kingdom temporarily gained strength, but in the latter half of her reign, her popularity recovered. Her Golden and Diamond Jubilees were times of public celebration. She died on the Isle of Wight in 1901. The last British monarch of the House of Hanover, she was succeeded by her son Edward VII of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Victoria's father was Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, the fourth son of the reigning King of the United Kingdom, George III. Until 1817, Edward's niece, Princess Charlotte of Wales, was the only legitimate grandchild of George III. Her death in 1817 precipitated a succession crisis that brought pressure on the Duke of Kent and his unmarried brothers to marry and have children. In 1818 he married Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, a widowed German princess with two children—Carl (1804–1856) and Feodora (1807–1872)—by her first marriage to the Prince of Leiningen. Her brother Leopold was Princess Charlotte's widower. The Duke and Duchess of Kent's only child, Victoria, was born at 4.15 a.m. on 24 May 1819 at Kensington Palace in London. Victoria was christened privately by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Charles Manners-Sutton, on 24 June 1819 in the Cupola Room at Kensington Palace. She was baptised Alexandrina after one of her godparents, Emperor Alexander I of Russia, and Victoria, after her mother. Additional names proposed by her parents—Georgina (or Georgiana), Charlotte, and Augusta—were dropped on the instructions of Kent's eldest brother George, Prince Regent. At birth, Victoria was fifth in the line of succession after the four eldest sons of George III: the Prince Regent (later George IV); Frederick, Duke of York; William, Duke of Clarence (later William IV); and Victoria's father, Edward, Duke of Kent. The Prince Regent had no surviving children, and the Duke of York had no children; further, both were estranged from their wives, who were both past child-bearing age, so the two eldest brothers were unlikely to have any further legitimate children. William and Edward married on the same day in 1818, but both of William's legitimate daughters died as infants. The first of these was Princess Charlotte, who was born and died on 27 March 1819, two months before Victoria was born. Victoria's father died in January 1820, when Victoria was less than a year --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Well, I was supposed to come back but then I wanted to stay where was the little bit longer. So I stayed for the whole week. I just said fuck it. Um, but yeah, we got a lot of anime talk about then a lot of new enemies coming out next season where we're going to watch and yeah, we're not going to talk about that here, but next episode we'll get into what's really nice is and all that shit. But yeah enough of that. At Steve what were you up to these past two weeks? I've been working a lot to K. You know what I'm saying? I know I've been playing Dragon Ball again because go Drita came out. Yeah, how is he? He's clean. He's like the coolest character in the game. Okay, cool. When's the next Goku coming in? Remember roll these the last character. Okay. Another till season 2 Don't Pull Me from the movie Not Season three, we don't need to know really. Yeah. Fuck season 2 was 1 bar down was of Adele and Jerry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah now I remember yeah, that's crazy. I haven't played so long. I forgot gerron was in the game. All right Jojo. You've been up to. Same work John played Up played a bit of Dragon Quest. So I'm on my way grinding through that true. Hey, have you been streaming on it? I know I saw you go go live. I was like, oh shit. What the hell I got bored. I'll hug a tree so did not want to hear actually my game. If you have did Resident Evil, like last year not be doing this one truth and whatever. So other than that watching anime all that shit, yeah, I've been doing the same now. I'm still you know, we're going to talk about some news here, but I'm still still episode online kind of Superboy. I still haven't watched that last episode and I was gonna this sounds got I honestly couldn't could have watch it. I'm not gonna make an excuse. I'm sorry. All right. I'm sorry. It's enjoying myself. no, but yeah, the reason why I was away my grandma my great grandma turned ninety three, so, you know Let's let's get into the enemy news animenews. Oh, you know when you said Dragon Quest in my head, I don't know why I thought of blue dragon. I was like, ooh Jay. But yes continues. Um, so I wish I started I started for just the top one. That's right there. I mean, why not book a Demon Slayer is getting a movie. We're going to talk about demonslayer the full review later on in the show. But Damian Slayer season one is ended by the time you guys listen to this shit. Well if you are All cut up. So at the end of the episode, you know, we get a little little trailer teaser of thing and now the cool thing about this movie which I just got confirmed today when I was like putting the nose together is that it does take place after like continue the story. Yeah, that's right after this is Ryan material. Yep. It's Cannon baby. So that's pretty dope and I believe we didn't get like like A trailer it was more like a teaser. We just see the fire Demon Hunter guy's name. It's on the notes. I'm Goku and Goku. Yeah, we see him in the train and then all the people are well, actually that's in the fucking end of the episode where we can summon a bunch of fire. So yeah, at first I thought it was gonna be like a solo movie with just him but you don't seem like they know I honestly I would even like I wouldn't mind like a Demon Slayer for Solo movie for like every person or some other like a group. We they got honestly put like the Avenger like just take the Avengers and just put them in this like have their origin story in the back whatever but uh, but yeah, it's not just continuation which is cool. But the release date is like in a couple weeks or months is closed right? It's like nothing nothing too crazy. No just got going with that's all they said. All right. Yeah, so so now we're gonna have to wait. That's crazy. Well, that's a couple weeks because I was thinking like oh you gonna do movie then shit. Oh, yeah, I got excited because the way this season and it was like let's pick it up. It picked up. You know, we've got the story moving along. We got some tea to the action. So it's all about and like like we were talking pea pod. I know I think Stephen said he got a Got spoiled but I kind of got spoiled Lea's. I just heard that some crazy shit happened on the train. Yeah, I guess I guess I'm ready for it. I don't know. What are you guys is thoughts about this announcement. Hey, man, I'm just so glad that that's the Caesars continuing. You know, what isn't movie for him. I'm glad because I you foldable usually doesn't well they they do usually keep up what they do, but it's like they switch timelines and yeah alternate universes and shit and like and like you never really nice though. Yeah, that's like the only thing that usually do is fake stuff. Yeah. So I mean, I'm glad to just continue. It's a good show. Like I was saying like senses a movie and like it got a lot of money and they're gonna put you in the how it a chance to put more money on the movie and it just get better production. So it's gonna be fire. They don't like the heavens feel movie. They just did not just believes ago. This thing is gonna be crazy. You're going to look amazing. They're definitely pushing this. Anomie be like they're number one. But yeah, judge. What are you thoughts? Hang on me? Pretty cool. Can't wait for it. Um, hopefully with how popular has been after after the movie The come up with season 2 as more content in there. So I'm excited. You know what? I hope don't do but I hope they'll pull of Dragon Ball super drop a movie. That's Canada and then waste like 12 episodes going over. What was in the fucking movie with worse animation. I don't think they're gonna do that. My dad's a Dragonball. Yeah. Yeah. I hope they don't do that. Hey, I learned Frozen animes mistakes. So let's that's done something like crazy before. Yeah, but let's move on. We got a lot of shit to talk about this week Psychopaths season 3 trailer dropped and I know ethos is probably hyped about it. I know JoJo probably tourism always talking about that shit. But yeah, this sacrifice season 3 is coming out on October 24th and this time around its a following two new rookies. So, I mean I like Psychopaths the first season and then the second season I felt like fell off a little bit. I still enjoyed it, but I don't remember too much. So I would say I'm a fan of the series I'm gonna definitely try to check it out. But there's so much animated going on October that probably not gonna follow it too much if it's not crazy good, but from what I've seen in the trailer it it seemed like it's gonna be a good watch and oh, yeah, and um, All the episodes. I forgot how many episodes are gonna be but eight. Okay. Damn, that's crazy. Only. Yeah, but the thing I was gonna say, yeah, that's why wasn't there an hour-long which is cool. I could get down with that. Does like 16 episode actually a little more than that actually shit. Yeah, like 20. Yeah, that's what it's all about it. Hmm. What are you guys doing children since I know he does probably talked about it already. Yeah, he he's hype, although there was a lack of akane anywhere in the trailer, so I don't think she's happy. Yeah, that's the thing that I kind of miss his old characters and I don't think they're gonna be in this one. Yeah. I lied. Not a lot of them. I think coldly I gave in in the poster that they posted nowhere in sight. Yeah, she is Mia. So we have no idea what's going on. Yeah, we have no idea so she might be doing her own thing right now or that part of the plot line. Nobody knows really so we'll see probably they hopefully they do some like plot twists and she's like the villain or something. No. Do you see the trailer Steve? What are your thoughts? I don't know if you watch it already. You also know. I don't know. I mean I like the first season of psychopaths or the second season was a so I didn't watch it. Just don't know I'm a lot of feel looks interesting It looks interesting. But yeah, October 24th, just wanna drops. So actually later like at the end of this month or October, we're doing this unlike the last day of what September yeah. Yeah, but yeah, nothing too much to say about it. We'll just wait and see till it comes out. Let's move on to seven deadly sins is getting me the season 3 and I think that comes out on October 9th. They dropped the trailer for it. It's kind of I want to say it's kind of season 4. Is a season 3. I don't know how it worked. I forgot on Netflix. They drop some kind of like unofficial season Builder season of bullshit. But yeah, it's season 3. So I watched the first season of the seven deadly sins. I think I was gonna watch the filler one. I watch like two episodes now then I just waited once again. I don't want to watch the filler but I will say I was surprised that I watched all of season one because I As I got better along the way. Yeah. I know. I'm probably going to check this one out. The trailer seems to be like a lot better than where I left off is lot. Not a lot of new things that I don't recognize. So we'll see have you seen this one JoJo caught up on all I've seen parts of it. I mean it out cuz I read the Manga up until the bag Midway for the through the Ten Commandments are so I'm pretty familiar with it. You haven't watched the anime. It looks pretty it. Looks like a looks pretty good. If you like seven deadly sins keep watching is like a typical shown anything so simple cool. What a man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, there is boobs. There is a character that acts perverted there. Is that a that animal that is there in the show to be the comedic relief there. Is there those Mine's where they just started doing some comedy. Well, there's some action and then there is some, you know crazy plot armor and you know, it's that anime, but what are your thoughts about the trailer see get you interested? I mean you put it like that seven seven deadly sins has always been kind of interesting to me, but I never liked those daddy that deep into it. So yeah, it's not nothing like too crazy like bikini Wars or something, right? I hear it's pretty good. People like it. Yeah, I may or may not give it a shot if I have some opening time. Yeah, and honestly, probably not, you know, like if I'm being honest if I'm going to be real he's gonna be bigger anime to watch out here in October. So just like that. We're going to move along and not waste our time even watching the are talking about it. All right. All right. So this next one is another movie coming out on November 12 Kunis uba Legend of crimson. We got a trailer for it. Like I said earlier is the why I said I'm not even done with season 1 but that doesn't mean I don't like the show. I actually really enjoy this anime a lot more than any recent because I've been watching it doesn't take itself too seriously and it Can just plays on the genre a little bit. I like them none. I say none of the characters are pretty annoying. They're all pretty good decent bias out the trailer. I kind of get it's not too spoilery. Like I got the point what they're gonna do. I'm guessing it's more focused on that chick. It's her name is hurting her name Diamondbacks me. Yeah, Mega me. Yeah, it's gonna be focused more on her seem like in the movie. Yeah, I heard many her family and our like in our hometown all that swishing all her fucking Powers. It looks really good. Then they shave the colors. I like it. I'm gonna watch it. Um, what are your thoughts on this Jojo? I know you you've been watching this explosion. Yeah. Can't wait for it to come out. To be just as funny as as the other Seasons. So yeah, I'm really watching this the trailer. There's a lot of jiggling here's I'm definitely check it out. Yeah or Dutch Steve. Another one's coming subbu. Wow. I don't know if he's gonna have I told you it looks funny. I've seen Clips on Twitter was funny just never got into it. It is what it is. How could you that's crazy? Yeah, don't stop to do you should check it out that it's a pretty good. But yeah, yeah, is that it move along. It's questions the otaku questions Let's do let's do this one first You're Gonna Want to shuffle it how Carlos Shout? To Carlos I asked you know as a timeline give us some topics are question like two weeks ago and had to go back and like look for him. So he asked what are some of your favorite weapons and Anime and he has to say a couple weeks ago when we did add another episode and I just kind of get it in. So I want to put this one in their weapons and Anime. No, I'm thinking more of like signature. It's like Sabers Excalibur are fucking. Like I can't think of top of my head but you know, you know those things I'm pretty sure once I think about it. Oh, honestly don't have like maybe OPP weapons and then I couldn't think of anything for real for real. Yeah, I don't know weapons wise does. Oh, what's her name? Kill kill the main character. This is a boy, huh? Oh, yeah, it's pretty clean. That's pretty yeah. Okay, I guess the attack on time whole 3D maneuver gear is going to that's what happened is it it is that kind of their swords are the weapon. I mean, I'm still give it to you know touch it is cool man. You lucky fire both speaking with Psychopaths that uh, the Dominator that shit can do several things. Whatever you want. Any DNA anything Georgia? Yeah, so oh son of a bitch. I don't know probably more Tunas gauntlets. Lucius let's clean as fuck. I got a lot. I know. It's okay. What's-his-face the flu me Shield own mouth needs to yeah Shield hero man. It's all about that shoe. Soapy soapy man. You can chill people. Nicky uses a half forms. He could just get gain that dragon armor the yeah nothing but like that. That was just pretty cool one and then there's any Asha sword the demon sword. Is it like I don't know. I know we're supposed to pick like the one but like those are some like the ones that count on the top we get my keys. So what that should be the reaper thing we gonna let me get that right there, man. Yeah, I know the best window. What what the Death Note. Oh, yeah. That one's that's it. What's your full name again? On the toolbar whatever let's keep going. We can feel that all day. Yeah. All right. So this question is kind of confusing man Evo. Rebirth send us this question. What's your opinion on the gatekeeper weaves versus The Casual anime fans that's been going on lately the Rivalry. The only thing like we talked pretty pod is a it's more. It's been ongoing it's more of a it's always they I mean and that that goes with everything that goes everything like these people and fucking hip hop fans be like, you know, you don't know you don't know this artist like all right. I was a fan first some shit like that, you know, there's always gonna be those people but in anime, it does become a little it's a little crazy because we're talking about There's different types of anime fans are even manga fans in the reason why I say manga fans because so like sometimes I'll be like, oh damn there be talking about something in the manga and like they spoil the anime and I'll be like, oh come on that spoilers and then you gotta read it. Then I'm like bro, but like I'm watching that every what the fuck are we talking about? Like that's like that's how you going to the marbles fucking Movies be like, oh, I know what's going to happen here blah blah. You tell him and she's like come on bro. He goes It goes with anything that's been adapted. Um, yeah, it's it just sucks. And but I know there's even with anime like like I don't know what you would call them fucking And animais and yeah, I guess yeah, just put it on again. Yeah, because the ones that are like strongly strongly opinionated about an anime that becomes so fucking annoying night. That's for a while. It was a one piece that that simmer down. the dodos Donna is As frequent but they're like they're they're have a lot like allowed audience. But yeah, yeah, I mean, what are you guys thought about it and I rambled on them. I'm not one. I mean in my opinion, you know, do what you do. I mean, I mean like where am I you like, you know, just watch it. If you don't like something out of let you know don't watch it yada yada. Don't worry about what people say could everyone gonna be mad about something. yalla to Chicago Yeah that goes with salt and up to I know I joke around but I don't see don't I don't really care obviously like when I'm really tired I prefer watching the dub but I could say that time for the morning or something watch it. So we really don't doesn't really matter. I mean if I'm watching it at someone's house then I'll be like, all right, bro. What the fuck? Like if it if it affects me like my cousin watched a Something and subbed and I was like, why why are you watching that is so just put it dubbed or something because the voices were like really bad really different. Yeah. What? Hey ya just it's really bad. Yeah certain shit like that. Like if it affects me if I'm in the room and I see it. I'll fight you called out. But yeah, all that shit don't remember where you thought Steve. I'm not really does he want us to say who's wrong and who's writing like nobody's really wrong or right? Yeah. No. No, I don't think it's just people Give opinions on the internet and people disagree about this. It's pretty much all it comes down opinions. Yeah, but I do feel like some people biondi When I when people like Michael B Jordan get on get on the interview and say, huh? What are you putting on Naruto not to roll not talk not to to pull a vacuum is pronounce or whatever but like they will everyone got on his head. He's like her. That's crazy. Yes, sometimes the weeps can be oh bleep. Yeah, it is what it is and the funny part about the make selling shit is that most the waves, you know, they they don't get a lot of action but then when they see a girl who likes anime you want to like tear her down. So I felt it was weird thing is brother, like will say it all the time like Damn, I wish I was coming up in this era where everybody like Anna Mandarin shit, but then again people hop on Twitter and I'm trying gate key. Yeah, it's so weird. It's like I don't own them. I don't know what's going on, but I still think it's not that serious. Be safe out here in these anime streets y'all get y'all getting dangerous. Y'all getting judge. That was pretty good. I felt like we answer that pretty good. Now it's time. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I'm not looking forward to this long long reviews. All right, let's see. What do you guys want me to transfer pass crash or past? What do you guys want to start with will say demon slave. Last fire for is only have one episode so I fight for shit is so yeah, we're going to jump into the anime reviews want to start with 5/4 episode 11, you know, we're going to run down a quick little summary. Then we're gonna give our thoughts about the episode. Let me bring out the notes the note. Alright cool. It's on the top of one time my notes. Um, oh yes this so in this episode and episode 11 after episode 10 where we get a get a tease or the probably the most like Craziest Twist of the anime so far is showing you notion Rose brother being alive, and he's like part of the night of what forget it. What's his face Angelica? Yeah. It was cool because we get to see the how Eight company was started up by what's the guy's name back at the car? He's lucky. That's all I can tell you dark. And yeah, it's ugly guy. Yeah. The lieutenant Lieutenant. That's okay. Yeah that Lieutenant guy guy with the glasses. Yeah. So we see him, you know, there's some shit that happened in their past. This is basically just all all in past episode. We see we see them kind of team up because they don't like how the way some of the companies were being treated towards the infernos like there. We had a scene where didn't even want to go help the lady husband from him turn into an inferno because they didn't see it as as a they have like a point system where like it just it's not on their list of importance pretty much you don't have as much value of yeah, they're playing like a game to it. Which kind of made it mad. I was a down. Yeah, but I did find it funny. There's a part where they were talking outside after they get the job done because they both went to go help the 80 so they're going to go take care of it themselves. They go take down the infernal and then they talked for a little bit and then he's all made up my mind. I'm gonna make a fire for his company and then I'm like, all right. I'm like, all right, I guess I don't know if it's that easy, but I guess back back in the back in the day when he was saying is all yeah, I guess is that's how it starts but uh, it don't conversation. She felt a little bit weird. Where'd he go back and listen to it? They're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, like I'll go to Joan with you or something like that. Like y'all barely know each other for whatever besides that. Oh, yeah. So at the end of that that's that's how we that's how like they was made but then what happened? Oh, yeah company 8 and now we're in the present company is looking to Get some clues of where this suspicious infernal used to work at back when they did their first mission, so and they have to go to company a so a company it has to go to company 7 area because that's where it was. So they go over there. They visit the leader of company 7 and as they grow older. Yeah, you just don't give a shit like he's like, he's all listen that might be true. That might not be true. Whatever you guys got to do. Just leave me out of it, but he's basically he's basically always like fucking I don't care. I didn't get the job done and we see that because as I were talking Inferno breaks loose in the area, so he goes out and like shit to get gets cracking and like that you showing off his power and shield which I thought was pretty fucking dope because they explained that he could generate Fire and he could control it. So he's a I've got what they call it's like. He's a second generation and third generation. Yeah. Yeah. That's why he has two eyes, whatever. Well, yeah, but I thought the whole episode 1 that part I'm end of the episode when he's just breaking down the the town and they just like the citizens are like, oh, well, you know we always do And he ends up getting it but that's pretty much the end of that episode. Um, it was pretty cool episode. The only thing was I felt the placement was weird because like I said an episode 10 we get at ease of some big news ocean does brother. I kind of hate waiting like a mise do like it's like it's almost it's a cliffhanger and we're still on that Cliffhanger. You know, Mom look at the end of the season with that. To the end of season one. Yeah, but yeah, what are you thoughts about the episode like I thought I just heard that the placement of the episode was weird. I thought it was pretty good. I like the flashback with uh, Well, the main part of the roots in this flashback with him and his friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you in the beginning where yeah. Yeah, like the very beginning. Yeah. I thought that was fucked up. He can get you one. Yeah, all the somebody just turned. Milk, it's leaving film. Other than that I felt when he was but nobody the captain of the seventh squat. Yeah, just terrorizing the town and everybody was like us. Okay. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Yeah, it's a girl make it all again if our Force cover economy. Everybody was happy. Pretty good episode. Yeah episode 11. Let's move on. He has run a dude. Dr. Sell shoes out to stone. Dr. Stone episode 12. Let's see. No episode 12 is where they're gonna get the silver or in ruse silver spear. So they needed. Go get the materials for it and all that stuff. So they're go sit out and they arrive at a crater and sanku he notices, you know, that it could be possibly poison gas. So that's why you brought the spear. And once the Spear of combos poison gas. No. Yeah, it was going to get Sophie. Yeah. So once the beginning of the episode where he brought the spear and he contacts the gas and it turns black. He's like Alright so yeah, yeah. Get them to go back and he ends up making gas masks for him and chrome. Well at first he made for himself and then Chrome told him listen like yeah, I'm going with you because he felt some type of way that he was gonna just leave them and a pretty much thank you. What's ankle was saying is like this. I'm a passing knowledge along to you. If I die, then you just carry it on. So Chrome was like, uh, and he don't really feel good about doing that. So they Rather work together, but I was cool I guess but that one the funniest shit if he goes in and he does not just sit for him. But yeah, so then I'm making a gas mask for both but you know, they work together and they go. Oh wait, we get like a little flashback or something like for gonna Haku the chick it has so the princess sister she is they tell us that she was supposed to be obviously, we know that she was going to be the next to lead the village but she didn't want to because she felt like that's a that's that helps out her just sister on the stay alive and all that because she felt bad, you know she also She also I think she said something like she wanted to become unlikable on purpose. So they like she's not a fit person to lead the village. So that was like I felt like that was a kind of cool character moment. Um, yeah, so thank you and chrome that go to head down the crater and there was like a moment where they almost look dead like everyone stopped and I nothing But HSN, okay, whatever but uh, there was a porn moment when they went in. Thanks and Coos like to one of his tube breaks you end up fixing it. But Rome was trying to run over there to help them and as he was doing this, he slips off the cliff and down in the crater is where like the most of the gases and like I believe it's like the craters filled up with water. So he fell in the he he's dead. So he's probably he's fallen off all slow-motion thinking about shit and like at that was fine with that. So this man thank-oo was but a be the flash because he's looking like he's running pretty fast like in the slow motion, although he might my guest but he's like, oh, nope. This is it nigga just kept saying to himself and then then yeah again, I guess ginner Drew had the got the gas masks and he he look you could even stand down. Ends up grabbing him with the spear which I thought was funny that that's false gospels in the shows something else more. I'll tell you what so you end up grabbing them with the spear and they and they end up collecting the sulfuric acid. That's episode 12 not too bad of an episode is there's bit like chuckle all chuckle listen parts, and it was interesting He disappeared. It's been holding up on that way that that would would have broke our they both would have felt they both went without him. Oh, no, I could just snap City Falls in it. Yeah, but let's save our most opinion. So get 2 episode 13, so the next episode Out and this one. Oh, yeah, so at that this funny because now they could create their their cure or a the princess. They have all the materials. They pretty much just need to collect the ones that are around them. So like they pissed to get some drinking itself are not that I'm drinking they because what's your kanako is like you're gonna have my sister and drink your Piss like no. No, chill. Oh, it's to make the medicine. So yeah, so now they can start cooking up that that crack cure crack. So now they have all that stuff but they need alcohol and they I forgot who told them I think was the old man. There's saying like, oh, yeah, you'll get all the alcohol you want from the village if you win during the tournament tomorrow and so again you Not get any fucking kenrokuen paint can grow these motherfuckers are ain't even Brothers bro. And they're fucking that seems like pretty much see men are brothers. They are ya you look nothing like right ones. So again row, so as he was going he says I signed 6nq up so we have a better chance of winning just tired. I thought that shit was funny because at that first NQ was not gonna like that like at that he liked but pretty much fucked up. We bought the rigged this so we can do this but and then ends up happening and so so yeah, and they also kind of like said that sink is been there for half a year. So when he got there, he's been outside the village of all time. He hasn't even set foot because of the Rules are whatever the print. Oh, so then like I got this is what kept the episode The Most Interesting is when the princess sauce and coo. She's like, oh, I think I know it's him like for like long ago or some shit like that and then they go down there and then she says, oh, what's your last name? And then she like to collapse his up. I'm a sick on the quest, but that she Was next she was intense. I was like, oh wait what and then likey I'm know he kind of like he played it off like he might not know her but even says, oh, we finally meet whatever like that. So we'll see about didn't say nothing there about that. So so this is a big tournament day. So I guess man, I think oh, yeah the mantle some old midget fucking dude what Okay, an old man or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, he ends up coming over and be like yo again, who's a big out the chick with a watermelon weakened Suka Suka. Yes to go. Yeah, he says oh, yeah, she fell in the river don't bump lie. She drowning y'all niggas saber and it has become cannot go because she's the fastest runner. And they were like all you lying. And even she says she says she's like, oh, I know you're lying, but I need to go check and then everyone's like whatever she leaves but she has to make it back before the fight starts. Otherwise, she disqualified which her fight is in three rounds that they were making the bracket or whatnot. Yeah soon so magma and Kin Row are Out to fight and oh, yeah, I skipped the I skipped one part. So the brother making the bracket again row was like worried. He was gonna have to fight that magma. So he started taking all these like drugs that think it was giving them and then like I think they said they just grass from like around they just supposed to make him think that he's strong enough, but I'm pretty sure like the juices something to help him out with his energy. Yeah. I think he gave them basically like caffeine basically or something. Yeah, that was gonna shoot him up with stereo. Just some shit. I'm really come is so they begin to fight magma and Ken row, but we see that he's like keeping up with him. Kendra's keeping up with Magma and everyone's all surprised. I wish a stronger than I thought and we see that mantle has I took it to a tree and she like a skates all easily and shit. She turns to the watermelon and starts rolling away. I got a rule. This is what I want to do like the old Sonic spin startup and then yeah, so we could see that that can row and they brought this up like a couple episodes ago that he has problems with his vision. So now It's beginning to affect them in the fight and he starts getting smacked around and gets tossed on the ground shit about a lose and but sukkah notices that. That he has problems with his vision. So she does fucking a 360 spin she rolls and she tossed that shit to him and like I thought that shit was funny because the way she like she was really into wish she likes pain a couple times rolled down the hill top Singh in any great. He puts it on and then like ever ever wondered what it's like an explosion. Who's this guy? So yeah, his vision is all clear and hands up beating magma. That's that's another episode. I felt like the second episode of not say that other one that we talked about with the surf Eric acid was bad. But this episode 13 was really good. I got laughed at like multiple times and obviously there was a part where the princess was like, I know you and hopefully that They say something about that next episode. So well, not necessarily back storm. That's time. All right, so during kohaku's flashback during the 12th episode. I believe she mentioned something about Or I think the princess or the father says something Bell yo, we got a pass down the knowledge of a hundred Tales or yada yada yada. And then that flashback carries on you know what I'm saying? And then this song is oh, yeah, she's singing sing cool. You know what I'm saying? She's like yo, what's your last name? And I'm like no sink was like, uh, y'all don't know what that last names. Yeah. That's right. That's why it's in that's why I was so interested thing. I forgot to mention. What's what's this a hundred taels thing. I'm trying to see what's going on. Like you think it's like past knowledge. Yeah. Like that, like whoever like the original few people that woke up and started this whole village. This probably isn't going to have something to do with the previous or the modern world. Yeah. I like they probably she said by last name, so, you know, so I first I thought you were gonna kiss sister are some Shana not even that all think they're related. Well, they might be related. Who knows but wanted something like maybe Somebody related to him woke up first. Yeah, then they started the village and yada yada yada. Things like your show last night or really even more funny like use our student writing school. Well, so be funny like they say they found like a classroom right or some shit are like his name tag or something like that and not that's the like they know that as we like a gods or whatever. That's the last name because no be funny. Send cool in Kill. Ya, yeah, like I was on to something there something there. Oh, yeah. Another thing don't think they gonna hold was it camera because the like the referee Ghana old guy? Yeah. He said no, he didn't he's in this world. It would make perfect sense because like in this one he beats them and then they just hit done and then the next episode they should they're gonna open it with like, oh, you're disqualified like that's like me doesn't be it. That's funny man. Yeah, that's probably gonna happen what you thought JoJo you like these two episodes. Yeah. Absolutely. Good. I can't comment on the fear rising up motherfucker, but I like both episodes. Um, it's starting to pick up a bit. So that's good. I like how they're hurt or like now there's or like adding, you know, No, the scientific learning. Ya Ya Allah was you know while not keeping you at boring as it started off being Q reason and game Brenda the drug is one step away and the tournaments happened now happening now. So this arcs wrapping up. I feel like yep. Pretty good tip. So it's pretty good. Yeah, it has been pretty good last couple episodes past this to it's not that bad of an anime. It's it's pretty good and it's different. It's pretty good. But you know what also is pretty good then Saga episode 11. Then line Saga episode 11 it would begin with I think was Thor Thor kills crew. They were all talking to fucking like pretty much half of the episode. I was like, all right, come on, they because they're traveling and they're just making fun of me like Jesus Christ and the prince and like after this long talk shit goes down and the way it started was pretty fucking bad ass because he gets up and he grabbed the spear. He's a And it goes it and then it goes through like go. It's a long a couple miles. He throws it and he hits a dude. I was looking at them and directly on the head and he's dead and he's like other people who are spying on them richest people that wanted the prince prince back and they they tell them three kills like you which would give us a prince and blah blah blah and dark Hills like yeah, I'll give you the prince and everyone was like, oh, okay. Like whatever and in the bed out, you know with or kill fucking Massacre fucking was it? I don't know. He just crazy man. He just is always longer. Yeah warmonger. He says he doesn't care like that's why you give him a he's like, all right now attack me because I like men. You know that was happening. He ends up smelling something. They noticed his charcoal turn around. They noticed the the forest on fire and then like we know that it's asclad with his men over there with orphan and because you know the past episode they're going to come and save the prince for Own personal gain and so that's why they they they're coming up to go. Uh, get the prince now. He sends we see dolphins goes out to go search for the prince as Thor kills men end up finding the prince first he gets there. He suits him saves them and then or kill and thorfinn have exchanged. Of words because uh, they men they met up in the fire that but pretty much tore kills just house on like I knew your dad. I knew your mother he was the only man that was stronger than me. Let's do this again. Catch you later. What the fuck and it also lets them leave with the prince because they're gonna both go to the king. I thought like these motherfucking it's special to him he gave The prince twice like you guys. Okay. Don't care really don't care. No he knew that was part fucking because what do you say? Now, you know. Then that's pretty much staff for that episode and episode 12 is the one well, I I'm gonna skip a lot here because I found this episode a bit boring. So on the gut like honestly like five notes and on it. Um, the group of asclad was a tired of traveling because of Thor kills men are on their Trail and the catching up fairly quickly. So they are leaving at night and shit and ass lad they went it was like foggy and shit and they're like, don't worry. We're going to be up with the reinforcements which was a the commander and he took them across the river. It wasn't dark killed roles, like right behind them. So unexpectedly, like for no reason for me to like I'm not gonna just two of them just to A sled and then we're gonna turn around and that's because it just too but then even the guy behind him says yeah, so it's real foggy. We don't see shit behind them. It's only two of them and like what's even saying it was I was thinking because the guy says oh, it's a lot of fog you two might be an illusion and it was it was a condition. With the feeling of room. Oh no father about the water. So they get across the river with the ships that they reinforcements came with and asteroids like would you go on foot for the rest of the way don't be selfish and said even the guys like, oh what the hell it's just the on the boat, but he's like nah da orphan. Then tells them like, you know, I got the prints once we get to the to the king I want my do. All right, I got you. I'll beat your ass again for like the fifth time. Yeah, I there once I get over there, they're probably gonna pull it out. And as over traveling to the king we see we see them get ambushed and uh, they're like on a road. We're like two two men were like approaching them almost like pretending that they're on their side, but I think a sled new that's why they were getting Whispers or whatever. But we also see the king with his men which I didn't really understand they made him it made him seem like he was gonna be with the war was already. You know what I was known as the Vikings, right? Vikings the king have the Vikings with him. I recognize the helmets but like they'd only people with helmets like that. I think so. What so what ASO then don't like when they pull up on them. I'm gonna run into the Vikings and I don't know if they they know that be for like, I don't know what's gonna happen. Well that makes so much sense. Come on. I don't know what's gonna happen because I was his name thorkil say yo I'm gonna fight you now we head into the king you had into the Kane whatever it was going to be a three-way. Download or the Vikings the are like Pascal and always kelan and orphan team up out of respect for his father and shit out of you can never predict the fucking thorkil. What did you do - yeah, I don't want to do this today. Whatever went around is more difficult. He probably threw a photo or some shit. Yeah, that's gonna be crazy if that true because we also see Thor cows. Across the river so he's right behind them and we see Thor oh, was it the orphans Village that's being slaved know. That was I think because it looked like the village it looks like his village. We saw no. No, we saw him. What is this man? Whenever your leaf leaf, we song Leaf. He's looking around a village and he sees a God. I was like Thor - that's a Slave. I thought that was a sister. That's why I said like the no no, I think it's just a random kid and he promised his mom or somebody that he was like, yo, I'm going to find you. Yeah, I think it's still not like you still looking back. It's all like fuck. I think that's what that was. I don't think I'm a look that up because I want I want to know sure because it did because you have the reason why I say that is because endorphins member like his vision he had back when like he had his vision was like his village got sleep. I'm sad that that it was playing on that. Um, but yeah, that's pretty much the end of that episode and that's why I don't think that many notes are pretty much got them all down. Yeah, these past two episodes with go out that episode 11. It was way better. We got the action in there. And obviously the forest fire scenes episode 12 is more like talking and pretty much talking about like the second core which is the second half of the Season as we're on episode twelve. It's goes 24, which are there was like a trailer for it or some shit like that. Um, but yeah so far inland fog has been Pretty good. Sometimes you'll get some slow up. So it's kind of like episode 12. I feel like but this are some point stuff to be watched. It's not all like killer shit. But yeah, then sagas been great right watch honestly been a great season moving onto another season surely in October. What are you guys thoughts about Vince out of these past two episodes? Yeah, Wally stuff thorkil don't like those at twelve most recent episode was just more build up to you know, I'm saying it's an exhibition fight. Yeah. So yeah, like really tripping all feels slow or whatever. But yeah, I mean the song has been written up in right? I would you thought so Jojo. All right, let's move on to talk about that is more than the last one you go grunting asleep even slay a demon Slayers. I want to talk about episode 25 and 26 the last two episodes of the season will talk about the whole season at the end. So just save them your opinions tell you done with some reason she like that. Go is still training at the Mansion while the other guys are trying to catch up. We see a little bit of the back story of the little purple girl. What's your name? I'm see let me see shouldn't open. Yeah, shinobu. Wait, no nausea. No boo. It was a Delta girl. I don't know. Yeah, see ya. We see her and like she's pretty much has a bad back story and she also like I think it was her sister Co at you sister that found not found a bit too kind of took her in she always kind of like felt like she can't she can't decide even like for small things. So her sister gave her a coin to help her decide things as Weeks Later. See that play off later in the episode. She was a slave. Yes. Oh, yeah, that's where she was the slaves LG make choices, but that she was like, yeah, actually just getting beat your some Yes, actually dying and shitai. I should basically snapped and that's why she was saying like, We got that girl. Oh, no. Yeah, and that sucks. She keeps bringing up her sister that died my shoot like yeah, whatever the sword maker of Todd Rose sword visits and he brings up new ones. But as it was walking up because by The Kilt tan 0 because he broke his sword. He was pissed off that that was seen was pretty funny. He's like, hey, what's up besides ready laughter. I was like I know is he gonna be pissed that he has to give him a sword and they give no scae two swords perfectly. Perfect. But he's like he's like all like you look like sad just just sitting there and then like grabs a rock and then I key edges. He cuts cuts the edges on them for so pretty much breaks the sword and they're looking at him like all pissed off crying and shit about to beat his ass, but I yeah hands of fixing his sword. They both got their swords back till yeah, they finished the training there and Karachi tells kanjuro that it's not called a fire breathing technique that he's been doing lately. It's a it's called something else and he should ask them when Goku and sees, you know, the fire a fire Demon Hunter but when he comes back from his mission doesn't he went on a mission a couple episodes ago. We see. Oh, yeah. So after that we see a demon feasting on a train and that's the end of that episode going into episode 26. They show us a few months earlier the the powerful lower ranks. Yeah, they're from using and I'm using at this time has changed his appearance and his Aura so he looks nothing like what we saw from plus he's actually is a parents looks like girl. And also there's a there was like another demon sit in the back the whole like this whole scene was crazy, which I'm about to try to explain if you guys remember this episode were like the house it looked like that but like times 10 because it's like fucking massive. Um, she was great. Yeah, so did he begin to question their strengths and Um, it just like every loyalty and shit like that and it kills I like 2/3 2/3 of them like like it's nothing it was all them besides one. Yeah, that sounds like two or three. I don't know was I don't have anything real skull or six? So he has wow, we killed four or three because one was already dead and he said that member because that's why he had their old whole issue shit like that. Well, yeah. Yeah because it was his name. You don't remember he fucking he fucking killed them and the weight like it's it was a great moment because it shows off how powerful he was because like they were running away and like he died. He in the this we see him the next time I see him. He said chopped off and he's like, how did he even move don't even know don't tell me he's gross as arm transforming into a fucking Tentacle kill them. But yeah, the last guy he was just pretty much--he pretty much knew like the game that he was shot play like you just gotta kiss his ass man. He was like, yeah, this is a great honor to die by you but he doesn't kill him. He gives them the some of his blood which helps them gain power and pretty much tells them kill when Goku and if you know, A little bonus if you killed the demon honored with the earrings which is tan 0 then he'll give him more blood and any like they dropped the a fucking Doctor Strange's ass somewhere else. Is he fucking teleport him the whole like shit just my strange. Yeah. That was yeah that was saying the surgical fucking fire. Yeah. We finally seemed using after all this time and I just knew I I knew they were gonna hold them back. I didn't know that these guys still be I thought they won't have encounter with him because we don't seem to like we don't seem ever I think after this they still alive. Um, anyways Town's roads get sent a mission but to stop the demon on train and so yeah, so now there They're about to leave but I believe he talked to you the girl with the coin and he tells her you know, how can we don't just decide by yourself and then he like flips it and he's like if it lands on heads, then you could start deciding your heart heart wants, you know, some main character shit. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure he rigged it because she even said like I couldn't see it when they land because he was in the way so she says if she was looking So I'm pretty sure she think on drawer of all people not a voice Al's gonna keep flipping until I'm gonna be issues. But for the sake of somebody somebody want to sign up happiness row are talking about the same guy. We're talking about the same guy that yes, it's pretty cool. And so they leave on their mission and their at the train station and like they go over some rules where like basically humans don't know about the demon hunters and demons and shit like that. Even if they told her so they can't be walking around with swords and they just now bring them up. That's crazy. Right and they were like in the city now I'm going to music. Mary didn't see with Missin know they talked about it before before Tundra became a Demon Hunter like with Taniya and shit. Wait, wait when our double date and I didn't exist or they didn't didn't know they didn't exist. It's not public knowledge. That's probably not the government. He killed the demon with the that was teleported through the ground and shit and I was like cones on they don't like the don't like the god. I was looking for his girlfriend all about demon Slayers now, it's all like what I like I think there's different areas so to speak because if you notice in that scene, it's more. What's there's a word for it. There's like no technology. You know how those there's our train and like yeah, I'm so confused on what time period This Isn't So now that I think I'm starting to understand the world will open more. So like there's there's cities where there's a Christie and shit and a more advanced ish technology Like Trains lights electricity and shit like that. So that's also yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. There's a word. Um, so yeah, I think that's how it goes. Like they don't they don't care about that old shit so they don't care about demons and so a lot of people like in the rural areas like there's rumors of demons, but like, you know, it's all I ever saw one when before Todd real family guy. He writes whatever the night when he was. Yeah. I remember that combo guys. Yeah. Oh golly team is the time drills. Like what are you talking about? I'll be all right. All right. Whatever he wasn't, you know, Jules and bothered with it until they actually happened to him. So I like it's really speculated rumors. And you know, it's like UFOs like that sort of thing. Yeah, some people think more of it some people don't until they see happening like oh shit. Yeah, but after all that stuff they talk about the government stuff. They jump on the train and this where she gets a little bit high for like the next season. Par now the next season they're the movie announcement that we talked about because it's the movie is taking place right after this and we see when the Goku is on the train. We see that one demon from the lower ranked that has a extra Powers is on top of the train and everyone's on this train the season alright the next that's where the movies gonna start off with. So so yeah, Demon Slayer season, One and honestly fucking see someone went by quick as we said it this people might have overhyped this anime. I think it left off on a good note last couple episodes like the last five something like that as been like mostly positive and um, I've enjoyed the season out of that season. It's been a it's one of my favorites. Often on like sometimes it's just like yo, what you doing in this episode you'd like recently like like I said the last couple episodes been like mostly enjoyable watchable and I'm excited for season 2. I'm excited for the movie. But that's how I promised. God say about Demon Slayer. Um, Joe Joe. What are your thoughts about Demon Slayer season one? I did enjoyed it. Um, that's it's up and down up and sewed. But but um overall I enjoyed it. I like the art thou the opening songs live. Oh, yeah. Some of the fight scenes are definitely really good. So episode 19 always remember. Yeah. This is like jizz all over everywhere now the episode 19 Yes, pretty good, Steve. Demon Slayer was good. It was a quality Shelton angel said art style a one animation a one. And you know, it has some slow Parts but like especially most of the number the little Forest Arc with the last start the spider villain. Good answer. Can we get like the latter half of demon Slayers? Yeah, I picked up. It had been a progression beginning, you know, just stick to this anime and it rewards you. Yeah, that that movie would be something great watch TV because like like, oh I was saying they're gonna put money into that especially really after seeing how positive some of the people were talking about the manga and now the animes out um, but yeah, let's wrap this up. We should be back next week. We're going to talk about the next season coming up and yeah, that's right. I'm pretty much go. Let's say Steve you got anything to say before I wrap it up. No. Like always we appreciate you guys listening.

This episode of Otaku Summit, The Summit talks about what they have been up to and Chaos explains why they missed last week's episode. In the anime news section, They talk about the Demon Slayer movie announcement, Psycho-Pass Season 3 trailer and their hopes for the upcoming season. Jojo, Steve, and Chaos answer some Otaku questions that include: "What are some of our favorite weapons in anime?" and the other question is "What is our opinion on the gatekeeper weebs vs the casual anime fans?". The anime reviews start off with Fire Force episode 11 (28:44), They talk about how it was cool seeing how Company 8 was started but wanted better from the episode. Next on the list is Dr. Stone episodes 12 & 13 (36:50), This anime has some ups and downs but it has recently kept up on keeping the guy's interest. The guys talk about Vinland Saga episodes 11 & 12 (52:30), The anime continues to be one of the brutal anime out. Lastly, Demon Slayer episodes 25 & 26 (63:30), They talk about how they have enjoyed season 1 of the anime and are excited about the movie and season 2 of Demon Slayer. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hi, this is Jason and I have a weird fact. Hey, where does Rachel and Jess here? We are really excited to share our first-ever voice messages episode in case you missed the little ad about it in our feed anchors podcasting app allows you to send us voice messages whenever you want. It doesn't have to be for a special episode. You can just say hi. I mean don't be weird in a bad way about it. But like seriously, you can talk to us whenever you want. But for the purposes of this episode, we asked weirdos from all over to share their favorite weird. Science Health Tech engineering what have you facts? And we have a few of those to share with y'all today Jess. Are you ready? I have never been more ready in my life. Okay, so I have listened to these already because as promised I did fact check them. I didn't want any of our weirdos to get embarrassed if they check out are yes, though. There's one that I have a caveat for but it's also one of my favorites so I certainly wasn't going to leave it out, but I am in need of more primary literature. So, okay. Let's start with the very first one we got great. Hi. My name is Susie Stewart. I wanted to share a cool weird fact with you that I teach every day at work as a neonatal intensive care NICU nurse. The cool fact that I would like to share is that breastfeeding is a positive feedback loop system. Yes. So when the baby is breastfeeding the baby saliva can travel through the nipple opening and the areola openings and these are now signals that travel to the mother and can tell them. There's body that the baby is sick or needs more fat Etc. The mother's body then responds and creates the milk medicine that the baby needs with those antibodies in it. Also if the mother is sick or nursing a cold the mother's body creates antibodies for whatever she has and passes those along in the milk that the baby won't get sick with whatever she has or has been exposed to there is of course a whole lot more information. I would love to share about this fact, but time limits are at Thing. I love your show. Bye guys. Love you, Susie. Whoa. Love you too, Susie, Susie. Thank you. That's so timely with you know, the royal baby being born as well. It's true as our editor-in-chief Joe Brown's baby. Yes, that's fascinating. Yeah. I love that one so much. Mmm. Okay. So this next one is the one that there's a caveat for okay, which is that I was able to confirm that the device described. Exists in the location that are weirdos says it does. However, I was not able to find anything confirming the purpose that she ascribed to it. So anyone hears this fact and recognize it and has some more info to send me please do okay. Here we go. Hi, my name is Kathleen from San Jose, California. My weird fact, is that in the late 1400s? It's during the Spanish Inquisition some convents in Spain used in device to encourage nuns to work faster. It was a combination spinning wheel and dildo machine the faster the none spun the spinning wheel the faster the dildo worked you can see this device in person in the Moose A lotta in Rondo and Spain. I have always thought that this device was the inspiration between that Infamous scene in the Brothers movie Burn After Reading Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I have a lot of questions. Like how would that make you more productive or I don't I don't know we did have a great episode about Hildegard Von bingen that involved nuns and orgasms. So I do feel that this is very on theme for us. Like I said, I was able to find a picture of the device which is clearly a dildo machine. There's no there's no there's nothing else like nothing else. It could be I'm fine. Arrested right now. Yeah, and I but I couldn't find any at least anything in English. Mmm. I don't you know, it's been a while since I took Spanish but like I'm pretty sure none of this stuff. I was reading in Spanish was telling me about nuns using the dildo machine. And then also it's that same museum has a lot of stuff from the Inquisition ERA. This machine is allegedly something that the Spanish Inquisition like targeted as a machine of the devil, but there are So machines there that were used for torture. Oh involving like similar apparatus. I thats dark. So ya that the the great the blurriness they're made me want to find some more verifiable sources. Yeah, it reminds me of the episode where Claire talked about the treadmill because Emma was originally invented as a torture device. Yeah. I want to know that people had fun with this particular build a machine that What I want thank you so much for that fascinating Fact one that I am desperate to know more about. Okay. Now we have another weird fact. Hi fellow, we are those I'm SHINee a student from Philadelphia. And the weirdest thing I recently learned is that capture? Aka the completely automated public Turing test to tell computers and humans apart. Basically the thing that you need to identify and type in stuff so that the computer can recognize that you are a human and not a robot is actually really helpful for Google. So the old version had users. Type in some blurry looking text that was actually used to digitize. All of what is now Google Books and the current version has you identify signposts and storefronts and crosswalks and you're actually helping train artificial intelligence and possibly self-driving cars. So next time you're mad at the website for tripping you up. Just remember that you're helping train our future overlords interesting. Yeah, and I know that training self driving in cars to interpret visual cues like that is going to be really difficult. Hmm. They're not good at reading sigh right. So it's good to know. We're training our future robot overlords. Yeah. Thanks for that fact. Also go Philly. Yay. Yeah, I love gritty We Stand goody. Okay. Now we have a weird fish fact. Hey weirdest thing podcast people. My name is Lisa Connors and here is my fast. For you, what does a handle of Fireball whiskey and a fish from Antarctica have in common? They both actually have a type of antifreeze in them. So as one can imagine it gets pretty cold in the Southern Ocean usually below freezing. So that's pretty Bad News Bears for anything that wants to live in the water without their blood freezing. So there's this type of fish called a notothenioids and they're pretty dominant in Antarctica. They have this special. All type of protein that actually binds to ice crystals and prevents the ice crystals from growing. So these fish can actually live in these sub-freezing temperatures and be relatively unaffected. So yeah, they're pretty cool fish and definitely better than your average goldfish. Very cool. It is cool. I love the antifreeze fish. Yeah. What I want to know is if I drink enough Fireball will I be able to swim in the Southern Ocean? I mean you might like me. Care, but how cold you are? Yeah, don't don't drink too much Fireball, please listeners. Yeah, it's never good in moderation. Yeah all things yea, okay the title of this one is he died dot dot dot 18 months after losing his head. So here we go. Hi all this is Katie from Michigan. And this is my very first favorite weird fact. It's the story of Mike the Headless Chicken picture it Colorado 1945 and farmer. Lloyd Olsen goes out to get a chicken for dinner. He picks one. He cuts his head off any waits for it to die, but it doesn't die. It continues moving around and moving its neck as if it has a head but he does not have a head cut to they spend the next 18 months touring sideshows any charges people to see Mike the Headless. And it turns out he had cut off his head but he left just enough in the brainstem control kind of reflex action such as breathing and there was a blood clot that kept Mike from bleeding out. They fed him using an eyedropper and sometimes they would have he would start choking on his own spit and they would have to clear it using the eyedropper but one night they heard the choking noises start and realize they left the eyedropper somewhere else and Mike ended up dying 18 months after he lost his head. Thanks. Love the show. I would say wonderful a dramatic reading. I really felt like I was right there saying Colorado with that farmer and his chicken we do they see the chickens name was Mike I think so that's you know, I love when like pets have generic human names. So I love that that is also like that the chicken only became a pet. Once it was headless right for that. It was gonna be dinner. But yeah, I was recently reading totally unrelated to this an article about the investigations behind. Although is myths about people who were executed by beheading, you know, having their heads like continue to do stuff right? So maybe I'll do that on an upcoming episode because there's some freaky brain activity that happens. The other question I have about the Headless Chicken is like we know so little about how chickens experience the world. We do know that they are, you know, not the most intelligent animals. I think they get a bad rap. I think they're more intelligent. Most people assume they deserve our respect. Yeah dignified life and death but I do wonder how much cognitive difference there is between a chicken with just a brain stem and a chicken with its tiny little brain. Also Yang did his life pretty much continue the way it had always been except without a face. Wow. I have so many questions. Somebody should definitely do this. Okay. Well, let's move on to our next faves. Act like Peppers think this is Julia calling him San Francisco. I hate my favorite fact is that hummingbirds eat about the equivalent of about 200 thousand calories, like if a human were to eat it would be two hundred thousand calories a day and their amount and that they can't do it throughout the entire day because they would be weighed way way to down to like do all the little flying things they do so they have to essentially eating all those calories and 20 meeting 20 minutes like fall dusk is Right the other day until they go to bed. So yeah, that's fine. My favorite. Fun fact, I really wish I could be a hummingbird likes funny. I also wish I could be a hummingbird. Yeah fascinating stuff. I love thinking about the different rates of metabolism that different animals can have and I like to imagine a world where I too got to eat literally all day except that is what I do. Yeah, since that's the only ball game. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, always a bulk. All right, let's go on to our next one. Hey guys, this is Katie from Phoenix. And I'd like to share my fact sometimes when the sun sets the atmosphere reflects the light refracts the light and makes it Shine green for like a Split Second. Background chatter Great Gatsby my media thought yeah, the Green Flash is a phenomenon that like a lot of people try to take pictures of from what I understand. It's like it technically always happens, but it's hardly ever visible and then you have to be looking at exactly the right time interesting. I'm not quite sure like what the exact conditions are that mean get to catch it. But I know that people are always very excited when they do isn't it also a thing in Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, yeah. Classic film this next one sounds a little bit familiar, but I'm going to play it. Anyway. Hi. I'm Chris Brasher in Manitoba Canada. The weirdest thing I learned this week is that for hundreds of years European Nobles priests and scientists Incorporated human remains, including stolen Egyptian mummies and Grave robbed Irish burial remains into medicine to treat many different ailments a Smithsonian Magazine article, but not by Maria doll. On references recent books medicinal cannibalism in early modern English literature and culture by Louise Noble and mummies cannibals and vampires by Richard Sugg William Shakespeare even referred to the practice in Othello. Keep up the great work weirdos. So we actually already have an episode on medical cannabis on it's one of my favorite episodes. It's a good one. Yeah, so I definitely recommend going back to season one if any of you haven't listened yet. There are some real gems. In there and you can hear Eleanor tell you all about when people eight people for their health delicious. All right. Now, we're going to get to one called Charles freaking Dickens I other weirdos. My name is Chris York. I am in Raleigh, North Carolina. I am fanboying pretty hard right now because this podcast is amazing. I thought it would be cool. If you ladies could do a deeper dive into Charles Dickens. I did a report on him when I was in fourth grade. I And we actually had to dress up like the characters that we were reporting on. So there's a picture of me somewhere dressed up like Charles Dickens that I don't know where to find. I'll have to inquire with my mother, but he definitely had some quirky things going on. I remember them talking about how he always tried to sleep facing the north because it helped him to write more efficiently and then he also gave his children. I think he had a bunch to some some really weird nicknames, but it would be really really cool. If you guys could do that. If not, I love your show. Anyways, y'all are amazing keep doing it. Thank you. Well, thank you Chris. It is always great to hear from a fellow Weirdo And fan first things first. We will need to see that photo. So please do inquire with your mother. Yes. Secondly, I would love to look into Charles Dickens in a future episode because weird sleep habits of historical figures is a great topic for discussion. I just suddenly thought of the episode right talked about how Ben Franklin like to hang out in the nude. I was just He bought that too. I don't know why I guess because it was part of his leg post sleep ritual, right? It was like I wake up I take an air bath otherwise known as me sitting around to get Cool. Okay. We have one more and I have to show the title because it is sorry for cutting myself off at the end. But this was the least worst take so with that in mind. Hello weirdest thing. My name is Joe and I'm from London and I want to tell you a bit about the Chien and Zeppelin over the rail Zeppelin. Now. This was a train that was designed and developed by Franz crew kannberg in 1929 or makes it weird is that there was a massive propeller on the back of the train and that was what powered it. So the fact that I had a 600 brake horsepower engine and that was made of like really light aluminium and that it was super fast. It still holds the record for the fastest petrol-driven rail vehicle and it got up to speeds of 143 miles an hour. However Having a giant open propeller near passengers on a platform with was very dangerous. Also the fact that they couldn't pull the ditional carriages again due to the giant propeller on the back and the fact that it was just very difficult to reverse and also the fact that the hundred year old tracks weren't really ready for a high-speed train meant that this never went into production. And actually there was never more than one bill which I think is a real shame. In fact, it was done dismantled in 1939 for the war effort. And that was the last we ever saw of it, but I think this is a really cool and interesting thing and work. Work I assumed you were going to say worth an episode because I agree. Anyway, I love this fact, even though it was cut off just as so many limbs would have been cut off had this mode of transportation gone into fashion. Hmm. I just love the absurdity of a giant metal propeller totally next to a train platform. Yeah bad idea. I know about that. Wow humans, we have some bad ideas. And we love to go fast. All right, those are all of our weirdest things for today. I hope you guys liked that as much as we did. I hope you loved calling in I was you didn't you feel like you really missed out and you should call a next time. Like I said, feel free to drop us weird facts anytime you want by voice message. 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Welcome to the steroids podcast with your voice Dan the bodybuilder sometime. The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long now, let's get on with the podcast. All right, welcome back to another episode of the steroids podcast before we get to the questions today. I want to discuss one thing and that is performance enhancing drugs and diet because I've had a lot of questions from a lot of different individuals about this. So the main thing that I have to say is that performance-enhancing drugs make all the food that you eat work better in your body for what you wanted to do repair and Recovery repairing everything in your body recovering everything in your body strengthening your body steroids make the food that you eat do that process better. Okay. It's called nutrient partitioning. It moves more of the fuel that you eat away from fat storage and towards rebuilding and repairing. Pairing tissue. Okay. The other thing is that carbohydrates are a lot more important on performance-enhancing drugs than not on performance-enhancing drugs. Okay, so growth hormone metformin insulin steroids anabolic steroids testosterone Etc. They all increase muscle insulin sensitivity. Okay. Insulin is a transport molecule in order for in order to generally for stuff from your blood to get into your cells. There has to be insulin signal. Okay, especially the muscle and fat cells when that insulin signal the insulin signal is the molecule of insulin being released from your pancreas when that's in your blood that will then touch and attach to insulin receptors on cells and when those insulin receptors on cells get stimulated then the cells open up and it allows the inflow of nutrients from the bloodstream into the cells of the body. body, especially the fat in the muscle cells, so With taken performance-enhancing drugs and steroids. They all increase the muscle cells specifically the muscle cell. Okay, not the other cells of the body not the fat cells, but the muscle cells they increase the sensitivity of the muscle cells to that hormone insulin. So when you eat carbs and then insulin gets released from your pancreas when that insulin gets interacts with the muscle cells that Mo's muscle cells have a lower threshold. For needing insulin before they will let in nutrients from the bloodstream then all the other cells in the body. So what you get is you get your muscle cells hoarding you get them hoarding the nutrients from the food that you eat that is in your bloodstream that's called nutrient partitioning. It preferentially goes to the muscle cells. And so this process Gets its like an exponential process process when you add the steroids and the carbohydrates together which then produces the insulin in your body and then you have this increased muscle insulin sensitivity. So then more of the food that you eat goes into those muscle cells the the nutrients from them and those muscle cells can start taking those nutrients from the bloodstream at lower levels of insulin, even than other cells like fat cells, so that's Way that like people do recomposition and stuff on on steroids and you know eating carbs really make steroids work really good. Okay, if you don't eat a lot of carbs, then plainly your steroids just don't really work. You know that great. They work they work they work. Okay, but it's not like a it's it's a different experience when you're getting a heart High carbohydrate diet on performance-enhancing drugs, then when you're doing it. Natural it's just a different experience or if you're on steroids and eating carbs and on steroids and not eating carbs. The person who is on steroids and eating carbs will have a completely different and more explosive gains and having everything go the way that they wanted to the person on carbs on roids more than the person not on carbs on roids. Go carbs make a huge difference. And if you're on a low carb diet and you know, you're new to steroids or something. Well, if you increase your carbs because you're having a lackluster experience on your cycle or something. If you just increase your carbs, it's like throwing fire on the gasoline. Okay, so if you've got something going on and things are, you know going you making some gains, but you're not eating carbs, you know in your on that gear now you throw in some carbs and you're like throwing gasoline all over. Over the fire and things start going really really good. So carbs are much more important on anabolic steroids, then not on anabolic steroids the main difference in diet between Naturals and people on roids is that Naturals generally need less carbohydrates and people on roids generally the more carbohydrates. They eat the bigger and stronger they get and there's almost no limit to that. It's The more you eat the bigger and stronger you get and that's that like as much as you can fit in your mouth. That's that seems to be the way it works. You know, it's very very powerful stuff very powerful stuff. Alright, first question of the day is from Arnold and he says my biceps aren't growing I taking steroids since two years. Ears, but biceps aren't grow yet. What should I do suggest me something, please? Okay, the king of all bicep exercises is the preacher curl. Okay any anything where you support the humerus the part of your arm where the tricep and bicep is you support that in front of you on a bench and then you have your arms lowering on that on the angle there. You have them lowering and raising on that on that platform that you're resting like your elbow area on preacher curl. It's also called a Scott curl Larry Scott curl because mr. Olympia the first mr. Olympia ever Larry Scott, he invented doing this putting that bench with the angle in front of you called a preacher curl and you do the preacher curls. Okay, so do dumbbell curls do barbell curls do any kind of curls. Just be all over that preacher bench. That's where it builds that middle part of the bicep. That's the best bet biceps exercises to do that and gain weight definitely gain weight because that's going to be something you're going to need to do. If you want to build up your arms. Okay. The next question is from Vincent who is worried about metformin and crashing his blood sugar. So that was pretty much his question was wanting to have that explained so metformin doesn't give you hypoglycemia, and it certainly doesn't give you hypoglycemia in the That something like insulin would okay. So I'm not a medical doctor and this is not medical advice. This is just me having a conversation with you. Okay, so the metformin, you know, even though it does sensitize you to insulin and you know, it helps keep blood sugar in diabetics down with with people who are not on you know, they're not having raise blood sugar. They just have regular blood sugar levels. It doesn't like put your blood pressure down. It doesn't it doesn't Make you go hypoglycemic and symptoms of hypoglycemia or like feeling desperate or frantic for food and like maybe sweating a little bit or having chills and kind of like shaking feeling shaky and weak and having and maybe sweating a bit. Those are symptoms of hypoglycemia. And then somebody who like injected themselves with insulin, you know, they can like overdose on insulin and then go into hypoglycemic shock where you know, hypoglycemia is where you have that low blood sugar. And so then you know your Don't have anything to doesn't have energy, you know, and it needs energy 20, you know 24 hours a day, it can store energy. So that's when people they you know, they pass out and they go into shock and you know, there's been you know, people die from that every year people die from that every year in America and Europe everywhere in the world. So that's you know, the danger of its insulin use in general but metformin it doesn't do that metformin it what it's used for is that it specifically desensitizes the muscles to insulin but not the fat it also reduces the amount of fat and carbs that you absorb from your food by 30% each. So it like you can eat the same amount of food, but absorb less calories from it. It's sort of a way for the body to let you eat some junk food or like kind of a cheat way to like eat some junk food, but, you know, just poop it out. P it out because it kind of like goes right through you or at least a portion of it goes right through you you absorb less of the calories from the food that you eat with metformin but it doesn't crash your blood sugar. It does sensitize your your muscles to insulin, but you won't get crashed blood sugar from metformin usually people take Metformin at 1,000 to 2,000 milligrams per day and you know, really it. It doesn't do any any hypoglycemia or crashing of your blood sugar in my experience. It stabilizes my blood sugar. Actually, I feel less of I feel less like, you know highs and lows if I eat sugar or if I eat, you know, a lot of bread or something like that. I feel less highs and lows in energy on Metformin than not on Metformin. It has an ability to put your body into ketosis quickly. So that your body produces it makes it so that your liver wants to produce less glucose in your blood and burn fat as an energy source. It's a nutrient partitioning agent. So that's metformin usually taken at a thousand 2000 milligrams per day. It works good in Synergy with human growth hormone as a substitute for injectable insulin and for keeping your blood sugar levels good. Okay, the next question is from rodrigue and he says question for your podcast. If you have some water retention because of Dianabol in testosterone, should you reduce carbs and increase Arimidex or eczema sting. Yeah. Mainly increase the romantics or XMS dang, you know that's totally individual. Each person is going to have a different amount of eczema staying that they need but or Arimidex but a general starting point is two or three tablets per week. And then you know, if you have a system if you have symptoms then taken more or less if you're still having estrogen symptoms than taking on another tablet each week, and if You're having if you're not having them and you're if you're feeling tired because it taken it or like a poor appetite because it taken it then take less of the anti-estrogen that's kind of the way to get a little feel for that. Okay, and then yes, because water retention from your Dianabol and testosterone and yeah the carbs. Yeah, they do reduce water retention. But you know, you want to be eating carbs when you're on Dianabol and testosterone because you want to have the muscle and strength and size effects that that can build for you. So I would not reduce the carbs. I would just lower my estrogen if you're still feeling ridiculously bloated then yeah. Reducing the carbs will help you to be less bloated. Next question is from heed E85 Dan. What's your thoughts on why when I'm on a tear T does or even up to 500 milligrams per week? I always go hypoglycemic. It sucks when it happens. I get crazy sick. Like I'm going to pass out and have to eat a bunch of sugary food to feel better. Yeah. That's the when we're talking about nutrient partitioning at the beginning of this episode. That's that happening. So the since the Any kind of steroids or testosterone or tea or tea or whatever since its sensitizes your muscle cells to the effects of insulin. It makes it so that the muscle cells are so sensitive to insulin that it's and and the effects of it that you know, there's kind of stealing out any of the blood sugar from your blood your muscles are, you know, very easily able to take blood sugar out of the blood and when they're doing that this is this is for everybody who takes hormones would take steroids, you know when they're doing That they all are going to have more of a propensity to feel hypoglycemic or having low blood sugar. Okay. The next question is from Johnson. He asks, how long does it normally take how many months to lose all gains benefits of one steroids cycle provided you did the correct PCT using HCG Clomid Etc. Like six months a year two years. Okay, so some of Of the gains will kind of stick around for longer than others generally like as soon as you go off and you do PCT, like generally you don't just stay at the same level that you were when your on gear generally you start like going backwards pretty much immediately. But this effect is stronger. The bigger you are like the bigger you got on roids and the more roids that you needed to get there. Well, then if you go off, you know and you PCT or something, then the faster you will get smaller and lose those gains. But if you didn't really make make a lot of gains on Woods or just you know, like some moderate gains some light roid use it sticks around for longer, you know, pretty much at around three months at about three months off. That's when you start noticing like well, I'm definitely looking different now. Once you hit about that 12-week threshold, if you're if you do PCT and you've been off gear now for around three months, you'll start seeing and I'm talking about nothing because a lot of guys when they say like I'm off they're really on something. Sometimes they're even on like 750 milligrams of test a week man. People are crazy like the stuff that a lot of body builders are not honest. So a lot of guys say that they're often it's not True. Okay, but if you're actually off and I mean you are taking zero hormones, you know, like you did your PCT and now you're not taking any hormones, you're not taking any oral. You're not taking any injectable. You're not taking any hormones. Okay, that's what that means to be off in this case in this question that we're talking about right now. All right. So all you Joker's that go off. I'm talking to you, buddy. so if you if you go off for more than three months, you're going to start feeling like you're changing and then at like six months or one year off like that's going to be a big difference. You're going to be going back towards more like what you were looking like when you're a natural, you know, like if you're off for like a whole year you're going to be moving pretty close to that. But you know, some of the gains just never go away like you always be a little bit bigger than you were naturally like if you go to the And train like a bit but it won't generally when you go off roids, you start moving back towards what you look like natural and three months after you start seeing like okay, there's a difference now here this difference is definitely a difference and then between like one to two years being completely off is some time when you'd be like if you stop training and everything or if you did keep training if you stopped raining, then you'd you know, after a year or two, you'd be looking pretty much like you did, you know. Natural but if you kept training, you know, you'd probably look a little bigger, you know, a little bigger more developed than you would natural but you'd still be back in that spectrum of after a couple years off one or two years off of Roads, you'd be back in that spectrum of people definitely wouldn't like assume you're on gear the moment. They saw you or anything like that you'd be more back in that natural Spectrum again. Okay, next question candy ball suppress thyroid function low T3 is showing on my blood work. Yeah, all steroids suppressed thyroid function a little bit. It's some people more than others. So people will have generally a little bit lower thyroid hormone levels in General on on roids everybody. But some people are more affected by this than others. So one thing that people do is they will take tea for thyroid hormone, which is in active thyroid hormone to speed their metabolism back up by having a the thyroid hormones again, so your body converts as to convert as a prohormone T4 to T3 a The thyroid hormone in your body. So it's definitely not as harsh as T3 thyroid hormone. T3. Thyroid hormone is a really sucky bodybuilding chemical because it's super catabolic and even if you're on like really strong gear if you're like making gains and like gaining strength and gain size in the gym. And then you start taking like 50 micrograms of T3 per day. Like those games will stop if you don't change something like it can it really has as a huge effect and can like overpower your gear. So that's why T3 is like not a good bodybuilding chemical T4 is much less harsh and usually people will take that at something between like a hundred micrograms to 200 micrograms per day of t for the prohormone that converts in your body to T3. It's just less harsh. So it doesn't have those as such Extreme Performance not enhancing effects as T3 has But one thing about the lowered thyroid the Lord to three levels is that that's one of the mechanisms by which steroids help you gain weight. So the thyroid speeds up the metabolic process of all the cells in your body. So if you have more thyroid hormone, like every cell in your body is then working quicker working faster and using more nutrients like at a quicker rate. So you're speeding up the right. Of your entire body's process when you use the thyroid hormone, and if you lower the thyroid the thyroid hormone levels, you know, which is natural when you take testosterone or other steroids. It's natural for your thyroid hormone T3 levels to go down a bit. That's one of the mechanisms by which steroids cause weight gain that's a clinical effects of steroids. Just that when people take them they gain weight and this is one of the ways in which they function to do that so, you know combined with the you know, steroids increasing muscle cell insulin sensitivity and then also lowering thyroid levels. That's one of the reasons why guys who are like really naturally skinny and can't gain weight. They usually like quickly blow up or like can gain weight on this on once they get on roids because that muscle cell insulin sensitivity threat is is a so high the threshold for their muscles to hold onto energy is now lower. So more of the food that they can eat that they eat can get put into the muscles. And then the other thing is that they have a lower thyroid level. So a lot of guys they're naturally skinny, you know, they have fast I roids that are releasing a lot of thyroid hormone. And so when they take the roids then you know that thyroid hormone gets lowered and there they don't need as much food anymore to maintain their weight and so boom now they start gaining weight, even if they keep the same diet, but they start getting on the roids start gaining weight. So that's how that works. Next question is from Thanos. He's asking hair friendly steroids arms and general tips to replicate the high DHT hardening effects of compounds like Master on yeah, so guys who have hair loss in their genetics. So if you have hair loss and you genetics then steroids will make you go bald and what hair loss means is it doesn't mean like, you know, you went through puberty and now you have like a hairline that's like on the top of your head. It's not down your forehead. That's not what hairless genetics means are less genetics means when like you've got like, you know actively like moving back parts of your hair like from year to year. You know, you've noticed that your hair has continually, you know the line change. Okay, that's how hair loss genetics are. Sometimes guys don't go bald either until they're like way older and they don't show hair loss genetics, but usually usually guys start showing, you know, when they're around like 20 years old or so, they start showing some kind of signs of that. So what hair loss is caused by is by dihydrotestosterone the metabolites or a product of testosterone. It's a attaches The receptors in the skin and the hair follicle and the scalp and those Have the genetics for this when those dihydrotestosterone molecules come and attach to those Androgen receptors in your scalp at a sufficient amount. It's a programmed death in the hair follicle in your scalp. And so then the the cell dies and it's dead so it no longer produces hair. And so that's how if you have the genetics for the to make that happen that's called the male pattern baldness Gene. Then you go bald, you know when you start taking Ian like testosterone and you know, like strong roids that can then go into effect in touch that hair. Okay, but if you don't have that in your genetics then steroids don't affect your hair at all. So guys like mr. Olympia Jay Cutler Arnold Schwarzenegger. Tom Platts me Dan the bodybuilder in Thailand. We don't have hair loss in our genetics. We're not going to ever go bald so we can take any amount of steroids and it doesn't have any effect on our Are okay but for guys that do have hair loss in the genetics Ronnie Coleman. Dexter Jackson, Phil Heath, okay, those Pro bodybuilders those guys they go bald when they take roids and you know, since they've got to take a lot. There's really nothing that they can do about it. But for guys that have got that genetics the male pattern baldness Gene and they're looking to take roids and they are worried about going bald. Okay, the roids that are the best. This is the way of taking roids that The best known for keeping your hair if you have those hair loss genetics. Okay, so no injecting testosterone. They just inject deck. Okay, they run Decca. That's the only injectable that they use they don't use other injectables. They just use Deca because Deca used alone without other stuff generally doesn't kill your sex drive from the guys who like doing that. That's what they say. And then the other thing is that it doesn't generally cause hair loss and guys that have been losing hair. Um steroids from taking testosterone and other things they switch to running Deca as their only injectable and then that usually stops it because the product that is made a remembered dihydrotestosterone gets made from out of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is the molecule that attaches to The receptors in your hair follicle on your scalp and causes the cell death. So that is made when testosterone interacts with a Enzyme in your body called 5-alpha reductase. Okay, but if there's no testosterone in the blood because you're not taking any testosterone and then you're taking Deca so, you know, your balls aren't going to be producing any testosterone that way either because you're taking Deca and so then Deca is going to interact it's called nandrolone. That's the chemical name or the generic name for Decca. Deca is the brand name from origin on Origin on is the company who invented Deca and marketed it decade Roblin, but it means nandrolone deck. Oh, no. Wait, that's the Esther, you know, like testosterone and an thate nandrolone deck annoyed. So yeah, generally they use the DECA as only injectable and then they use like anavar as a as an oral and then you know, you can use that growth hormone doesn't cause any hair loss and generally that's like the way to keep your hair and use roids for the guys that are you know, having the best chance of doing that if you're Really susceptible to it losing hair generally using Deca and of our and then growth hormone is the best way to do bodybuilding and have the best chance of keeping your hair. Okay. Next question is what's your opinion on using a small Hydrochlorothiazide dosage? Okay, that's a diuretic 12.5 250 milligrams regularly as a blood pressure lowering water flushing medication and utilizing it during cuts to get drier. Okay, so diuretics they restrict certain electrolytes from your blood and then it makes it so that you retain less water and Hydrochlorothiazide restricts sodium retention, so With sodium having that in your body it attracts more water into your body. That's why you look fuller you look better you look more pumped and you can actually get a better pump in the gym. If you eat a lot of salt. So when you take the Hydrochlorothiazide diuretic, it makes it so that your body does not retain the sodium which means that there's much less water in your body. This can also cause muscle cramping and it can also cause like heart failure so dire. Looks are really dangerous drugs and the cause of a lot of deaths in bodybuilders like at competitions like most bodybuilders that died at the competition. It's because of diuretic misuse. So these are generally something that you don't want to take also they make you weaker when you take them. It'll be like after you take them for a few days you'll be weaker in the gym and have a hard time working out. They are something that is used before competition or before photo shoots and stuff like that. It to you know reduce water in the body and then make the person look drier and harder and get like that finished look and generally it's also prescribe, you know, it is prescribed by doctors to reduce blood pressure and it is prescribed by doctors to reduce water retention and edema were water retention under the skin. And normally the dosage that they prescribe is something like 25 milligrams a few times per week. That's generally what doctors prescribe Hydrochlorothiazide at for those purposes again guys. It's not smart to be messing around with diuretics things like insulin diuretics dnp. These are chemicals that can kill you. Okay, the other bodybuilding chemicals, it's very hard for you. To die from using them, but with these chemicals diuretics insulin dnp. You can kill yourself from messing up just one time with any of those chemicals, you know, you're not going to you're not going to have a you know, a death from taking a Dianabol tablet. That's not happening. But you can from taking too much insulin or from taking too much dnp or from taking too much diuretics and doing it one time. Okay. That can kill you and the main thing with the with the diuretics is that it messes up when you lose those electrolytes, then it makes it so that the electrical signal that controls your heart Contracting gets funky and you can get heart palpitations and you know people can have their hearts ease for their heart just fail and then, you know die from heart failure right there. So that's what happens to a lot of body builders cramping is one of the main signs of this is Going to be a problem next question. Harry Benjamin asks, hey, man, can I ask if you have any advice or experience of the best way to bring estrogen levels down? I had loads of nasty big spots all over my back and itchy nipples. So I had my blood work done and estrogen was high. So I started taking 25 milligrams Arimidex every other day and that made me so depressed head was completely screwed after just a week so Have been off that if anything that's worked for you. That doesn't have horrible side effects. Yeah, what dosage of testosterone are you using? But generally this is really individual. Oh, he said point two five milligrams of Arimidex. Okay, so he's saying that he's only taking a quarter tablet of Arimidex because usually Arimidex comes in one milligram tablets, but he's saying that he's taking a quarter tablet three and a half. Times per week. So he's taking about one milligram total of Arimidex per week. All right, that's it's you know from the effects that you're saying like you're depressed your head was screwed up for a week. That is the symptoms of taking too much aromatase inhibitor. Like if you take too much egg semester in if you take too much Arimidex, if you take too much letrozole and you crash your estrogen levels your brain needs estrogen to function correctly and it'll like really screw your head up, you know a massive head fog and you'll like We'll be like hard to do anything like even getting out of bed to like go to the bathroom will be hard for a few days because your brain seriously needs that estrogen in order to function. So it does sound like from the from the symptoms. You described that you have low crashed estrogen levels, you know, but taking such a low dosage like that that's like really surprising because normally, you know, you wouldn't see a lot of guys getting any effects like that unless If they were using more than three milligrams per week, you know that for a guy that's on 500 or 750 milligrams of testosterone per week. An average dosage of Arimidex would be like something like, you know, two or three or four tablets per week, you know spaced out throughout the week for guy that was on 500 750 milligrams of testosterone anywhere from 2 to 3 to 4, 1 milligram tablets of a limit x per week would be What you know on average they would take and then have a good estrogen level from that. So if your estrogen was high and then you only took you know, one milligram total of Arimidex a week that's like really low and it just means that you're super sensitive to it. So you got to take less and then also anecdotally is that a rheumatics and letrozole are synthetic chemicals that bind to the estrogen molecule and make it so that it can Aunt or sorry, they bind to the aromatize molecule. The aroma is is tase enzyme and then make it so it can't bind to testosterone. Okay, they prevent it from binding to testosterone. And so then it can't transform the testosterone into estrogen but there's some thetic chemicals that do that but then existing is actually a steroid that does that it's a prohormone. It's related to the you know, the prohormone for Andhra it's similar to that. Okay, and so it since it's a hormone it. And it's less likely to have weird effects on your head. You know, some people do are just get weird effects on their head from taking from taking a eyes aromatase Inhibitors letters all and Arimidex sometimes even if people don't get low estrogen they still get weird like head effects from it. It's unusual but it does happen and you know out of all those anti estrogens by far the one that has the best feeling on it or just like the best reviews like, you know people that have taken In it's a you know, I didn't have problems with that. It did what it was supposed to do and myself to like the way that I feel when I take XMS 10 Aromas in is the best and also has the least health effects. It has, you know, it doesn't have the bad cholesterol and blood lipid side effects that the other anti-estrogen slyke letrozole and Arimidex have so eczema stand by far the most Superior anti-estrogen it comes in 25 milligrams. Blitz and if you you know, you're somebody that's you know, only taking a milligram of Arimidex per week and you're having problems but you're showing high estrogen sometimes on your blood work. Then I would definitely give eggs Ms. Stain Aromas in the try if it was me because you know, mentally I have felt some, you know, kind of weird effects or brain fog or something like that from letrozole just from being on it, you know, not not from having low estrogen felt some kind of like fogginess and And you know, I definitely do not feel that at all on eggs investing like it. I like that stuff existing did the way that it feels the experience of taking it is far superior than letrozole order mood X in the land of aromatase Inhibitors. All right, next question Caruso asks, what's the best test booster in your opinion? I know it's not Testo fuel or test engine. Yeah the best. Austrian booster is HCG and Nova decks those both you know with HCG temporarily you can get, you know steroid cycle like testosterone levels, you know, the equivalence testosterone levels with something like 500 milligrams per week. But that would be foolish because you'd have to take you know, a high dosage something like one vial per week of HCG to get up to that level of natural testosterone production and it would also desensitize your testicles to the effects of H. Gigi or the natural body's chemical luteinizing hormone. So the better way to do it is to take Nova decks which makes your body's hypothalamic pituitary gonadal access run quicker and run. It makes it think that it needs to do more work the more Nova decks you take so starting at like 20 to 40 milligrams up to 60 milligrams. I mean around like 40 milligrams of hermit or of Nova decks per day that will double anybody who takes its testosterone levels. But at the same time Nova decks also lowers igf-1 now, you know people don't get big and get like steroid gains from taking all the decks either. So it's kind of a Fool's errand like trying to like, you know, boost your natural testosterone. That's kind of like a scam the way the way that you need to do it is if you're looking, you know to do something where you can just take a pill or something like that then Psalms is the best option or pro hormones is the best option. Because you know likes arms, they're not illegal. You can buy them legally. There's some articles reviewing them on my website bodybuilder in Thailand.com. This is the steroids podcast. Okay, but my personal website bodybuilder in Thailand.com normally for this podcast you go to steroid podcast.com by my personal website bodybuilding time.com review some of those saw arms and you know, they have steroid like effects they work on your hormones. Chapters on your Androgen hormone receptors the same way that steroids do to do their effects and they're going to work way better than doing something like taking Nova decks or HCG and expecting to get gains from that. I mean, you might get a little bit of gains from that but it's going to be very marginal that's you know, not like I said before it's a Fool's errand to be trying to boost your natural testosterone levels to get gains to get muscle gains. You need to be putting in hormones or things that stimulate hormone receptors from the outside. That's the way to get gains that make you look like you're you know, Juiced you gotta take juice. So that's the I don't believe in testosterone boosters. If you want to boost your male hormone levels and you want to like, you know, make some gains in the gym, then you got to get yourself some Storm's or you got to get yourself some pro hormones. If you don't want to take steroids if you don't want to take in a regular steroids injectable steroids. Whatever, then you got to get some storms or hormones and boosting. Your natural testosterone is not going to be the bullet you're looking for Joe asks question on how to use metformin. I have 500 milligram metformin hydrochloride tablets. I know it acts like a car blocker. I'm concerned about low blood sugar issues are similar to the guy before also should it be taken every day or just before big carb cheat meal my goal is to drop a few pounds of body fat, but I also don't want my performance in the gym to see Upper I'm thinking Metformin before a cheat meal will lessen the insulin Spike and keep me on the right fat loss path. Thanks. Yeah, so 500 milligrams metformin is the normal immediate release tablet dosage. So the first thing with metformin is that the main effect when you first start taking it that you notice is gastrointestinal issues. So did justice system problems, like farting and diarrhea. So like the first two weeks that you take Metformin you got diarrhea 24 Day, and it's like you got to be careful because you got some serious diarrhea and unlike gas, you know, like farting so then that your body gets used to it after that because it changes the environment in your gut. It changes the bacterial environment and your gut to take Metformin. So they've you know, your gut freaks out for a couple weeks and then between week to week four it gets, you know better each day. It's not as bad and then by the time that week four hits then, you know, you're back from normal with your gut but There's this break-in period of taking metformin. So if you just go like drop them at Foreman out of nowhere, that's like dropping a diarrhea tablet down here. So as far as like using it infrequently or sparingly for cheat meals like yeah, it will work and it will get make you have diarrhea and like make you not absorb the food but you know, it's going to not be fun because you're going to be gassy and you're going to have the squirts. It's going to be the runs. It's not going to be fun. I don't recommend that I definitely recommend you. If you use metformin to use it every day because that's the only way that your body gets used to it your gut gets used to it. And then you know, you still you get a normal gut. The only thing is that with metformin there's a certain metformin smell that comes out in your poop and your P. Okay, but it doesn't come out of your skin or anything like that or your hair or anything like that so you don't smell like metformin but when you go P or when you go poop if you're on Metformin, it smells like metformin. I'm not pulling your leg right now. That is a real thing. That's a known thing the metformin smell, but the only time that you would ever smell that is if you go pee or poop it doesn't come out in your body odor at all. So know that it does help you lose weight for one thing when you're on Metformin 30% of the energy from carbs and fat does not give absorbed through the gut into your bloodstream. So it just passes through you after you eat it and you poop it out and energy doesn't get into you. So for the same amount of food you are if you eat the same amount of food on Metformin that you a off metformin you will absorb less calories from that same food. So that's one of the ways that helps you lose weight the main way that it does and then also in the first two weeks since you're going diarrhea so much. It's like you don't absorb barely any nutrients from the food you eat. And so you lose a bunch of weight during the first two weeks that you take it from having the diarrhea. Ha ha ha ha ha. So yeah, that's how it works. Like I mean it is a way to mitigate, you know fat gain from eating junk food. Like it's definitely a tool that is used among people who eat a lot of junk food and want to mitigate fat gain like taking some human growth hormone with some metformin and then taking roids at the same time. It's a way to eat a lot of junk and sort of have the metformin kind of just get the junk. The body and then it's a nutrient partition are you know, it makes more of the food that you eat go into your muscles and the other body parts, you know, they don't get that same effect. So taking metformin steroids and human growth hormone. Oh my gosh, your muscle cells are so sensitive to insulin. So, you know when you eat junk food or you eat like a lot of food or a lot of carbs like your muscles just take all the energy. It's crazy nutrient partitioner it really like that's the whole point of performance and zinc drugs. And that's why I like insulin manipulation is so important and you know having insulin sensitivity and stuff like that is so important is because that's like how performance-enhancing drugs work is manipulating the way that your food is absorbed and used in your body and insulin is so important to that. Okay. Next question is wrong. And he says I'm he didn't live podcast. I'm 45 years old and about at the end of my test 1 gram Trend 200 milligrams cycle. I was originally going to get off everything start HCG 3,000 milligrams per week or 3,000 IU per week and couple weeks after start Clomid Nova so full PCT and off for two months minimum after listening to one of your podcasts. I think number six you talked about cruising if not worried about fertility. What would you suggest? And if I did a cruise, what would be a good dose of test? Okay, good question. First I wanted to say one thing too. Is that in these podcasts? I'm just rolling the tape. So if I make a mistake and say like milliliters instead of milligrams, like my tongue gets tied or give me. All right, so to get to your question Robbie as far as cruising goes dude, you just want to take your natural hormone. you want to replace them or something near that so a common way to Cruz would be to have done a steroid cycle where you know that may harm your health a bit and then when you're finished with the steroid cycle, you just go to a testosterone replacement therapy dosage of testosterone, which is normally one cc a week which means 200 milligrams or 250 milligrams of testosterone per week, and then you don't have to To have low testosterone and go through PCT and have to take through post Psychotherapy drugs and you know go through that whole shitty experience and you can you know, not lose your gains as much between Cycles by staying on steroids. It's called blasting and cruising that's where when you're not on a steroid cycle. You take testosterone replacement therapy in between your steroid cycles one cc per week is usually the number and yeah, the Point of PCT or sorry the point of cruising is that you want to allow your body to not have any toxicity. Okay. So any anything that causes any toxicity any other steroids you taken any other drugs you take in you don't want to be taking those while you do the crews? Okay, while you take the one cc of testosterone per week because the point of the cruise is to get the health back to a hundred percent get all the blood work markers, you know, all your health markers you want them to all be looking great. Okay. Okay, that's the point of the cruise. So everything that is in doing any kind of toxicity in your body must go and then the testosterone dosage must be low enough that your body is not having a toxic response and all of the blood work is able to get into good range reality check asks, I don't have much experience with Anna drawl, but is it good for fat loss compared to trend? How low calories can you go while retaining 99% of your muscle on Trend? All right. So Anna doll is not as good for fat loss is Tren. So Tren really like burns fat pretty dang effectively. It's an effective fat burner, but in a draw you might burn a little bit of fat while you're on it, especially if you're like new to steroids or you haven't done. These steroids in a long time if you took Anna draw. Yeah, you'd probably burn some fat on it but you know, it normally isn't like a fat burner. You're not going to be taking that otherwise, like if you take that in your cycles and you're expecting an adult to burn a bunch of fat and mean it's not you may lose a little bit of fat on it and gain a little bit size of the same time just because a better nutrient partitioning but it's not going to be anything like real significant because of taking that And then as far as retaining your muscles on the trend is you know, really if you've got I mean even even 50 milligrams of tremble on every other day. So a hundred seventy five milligrams per week, but you know, preferably a hundred milligrams of tremble own acetate every other day. So 350 milligrams per week, you know, if you're on that dosage, but possibly even on, you know, you know, probably even on a hundred seventy five milligrams. Per week, preferably 350 milligrams per week. You're not losing any muscle man. You can just like stop eating food in that Trend ballon locks that muscle on your body. You're not losing muscle. What will happen is you will look a lot less muscular if you stop eating food and if you stop eating carbohydrates, you will look a lot less muscular, but the muscle just goes into hibernation like the trend will not allow muscle fiber to be catabolized. Aged and you know eating for energy until like all the fat on the body is gone like it puts a force field around it and it can't be taken away like the size will the size and the shape and the look how impressive it looks will temporarily go down because it's what you're it's what is called going very very flat having very very flat muscles low glycogen in the muscles and they go into what looks like a hibernation mode. But once you once you eat again, they go right back to the way that they were. So if you put that Trend balloon in you it pretty much a hundred percent blocks any kind of your body eating muscle tissue, that just does not happen and it doesn't it doesn't matter how little you eat. It's just not happening until all your fat is burned off so Trimble and that's why it's such an incredible dieting drug is it protects muscle like crazy and it actively burns fat. It's really something else. Next question is from paramour who asks thanks. How low calories can you go? Oh, that's okay. I read Paramore's question. So the last question was from paramour the one about retaining 99% of your muscle on Trenton. Next question is from see know who asks, may I was speaking with a guy. He told me that most of the fitness models run this cycle to IU pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone. Year-round then they do six weeks to 50 tests. Ananth 8 then six weeks 250 tenths test. Ananth eight 700 tremble own acetate 700. Anavar Skywalker maintains a similar physique with much less. What do you think? Yeah. So John Skywalker, he uses about 350 milligrams of testosterone propionate and 350 milligrams of tremble and acetate. He's an Instagram model. L got a great physique looks a lot like zis but a better version and you know, that's what he uses for his drugs in and that's what he talks about his cycle. Sometimes he uses a little more he'll use like 450 milligrams of trend sometimes or something like that. But he's honest about his dosages and I think that that his dosages are more accurate also. Yes human growth hormone pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone is used, you know not He's using it. But some people are you know, a good portion of them are I don't know whether or not John Skywalker uses human growth hormone. I haven't talked to him about it. But I do know that he uses 350 milligrams of tremble and acetate and 350 milligrams of testosterone propionate per week on average and you know, he has that physique that is the fitness model physique. So if that's what you're looking for, he's like the number one guy. ISO run his cycle and if you don't think your genetics are as good as him then put 2 2 4 or 6 IU of pharmaceutical grade growth hormone in there. And then your genetics will pretty much seem like they're about as good as him. Next question is from Blue STI quick question for the podcast. And do you have to change your diet while being on cycle like eat more carbs and protein than you normally do also do you do to your tea or do you blasting? Cruise yeah protein you just eat the same amount of protein. You can eat a little bit more on cycle. I mean you can eat more of everything though, like more of all of the food that you eat goes towards muscle and stays away from fat when you're on roids. You can eat more food and more of it goes towards the muscle than fat. So it changes the way that your body uses food. It changes how much of the carbs protein and fat. Are used for muscle muscle building and muscle fuel storage compared to how much of that carbs protein and fat goes to fat cells and you know human growth hormone. Does this very effectively and very potent lie to that's why there is such an incredibly potent combination with steroids is it changes the way that your entire body uses protein carbs and fat so very very good body. position drug Human growth hormone and as far as carbohydrates again, that's number one if you're trying to get big and strong and freaky than carbohydrates. And yeah gear makes you use carbohydrates way better than not being on gear carbohydrates and gear are like bread and butter. They go together the more carbohydrates you eat the bigger and stronger you get Point Blank. All right. He also asks do I do trt? Okay, the way that I do it is I've been doing it this way for years. And what I do is I do Cycles saw do like an eight week cycle or a 10 week cycle or 12 week cycle and I'll do whatever, you know a cycle for me would be something like a thousand milligrams of testosterone per week and do that for like 12 weeks and then you know, I might take a hundred milligrams of an adrenaline. Per day for four weeks and then I might take a two-week break and then I might take 50 milligrams and a draw for another six. Sorry another I would stop the Ana draw after the four weeks then take like a two-week break and then for the last six weeks with the thousand milligrams of testosterone per week. I would take Winstrol 50 milligrams or 75 milligrams or hundred milligrams or probably go somewhere between those dosages. Has during that time where I might even add in, you know a little bit of an intro again, like 50 milligrams per day of Anna draw again for the last two weeks in addition to the Winstrol. Those are the kind of cycles that I usually run or I'll do something like run in, you know Prima bowling in testosterone like maybe 700 of each or a thousand milligrams of each and I really like human growth hormone. I think that human growth hormone is like incredible. So the combination of testosterone with human growth hormone can pretty much get You like everything you want from bodybuilding if you can just add in a little bit of something else like Prima Bolin or some kind of oral steroid to get those cosmetic effects. Then that's you know, the combination of those things is pretty much can get you everything that you want in bodybuilding. So those are the things that I like to use and then when I'm done with that cycle, you know, 10 12, 15 weeks something like that. Usually about 12 weeks then I will Stop taking everything. I won't take any performance-enhancing drugs. I'll just only thing I'll keep taking as my 500 IU of HCG per week because I use that year-round to keep my testicles functioning to keep my keep me producing sperm and testosterone naturally around I use 500 IU of HCG injected once per week intramuscularly. So I just stay on that all year and I come off come off all the gear any growth hormone. He any steroids and testosterone and the orals anything like that. I don't I don't take that anymore. And then I don't take any PCT. I just stop taking everything and just keep on taking the HCG at 500. I you and I do that for like five or six or eight weeks or something like that and then I'll start doing trt. So I'll start at that point. I'll start doing one usually about one cc of testosterone per week and I'll do that for like Something like four weeks or again like eight weeks or something. So now it's a total of like three months or so since my last cycle and then usually I'll start up a new cycle because usually then I'm getting like antsy and like want to be making some nice progress in the gym again, so that's usually when I would start my next cycle after a you know, a month or two off of everything except for the HCG and then month or two after that of doing trt. Once you see it testosterone per week. Then do another cycle 10 12 15 weeks cycle or something like that. That's typical with me. That's the way that I've been doing it for a few years. Alright last question of the day is Sam who asks what to take if you want a crazy sex drive for a month. Yeah, so I would say, you know stack Master run and provider in but there's no real Point that's kind of redundant but you know Master on actually probably has a stronger sex drive effect. Then probe ayran. So probe ayran is oral tablets and like milligram per milligram. They're pretty similar in potency for their sex drive effects. So like a hundred milligrams of provirus in per day is like outrageously strong did like outrageous. Okay, but like, you know, a hundred milligrams Master on per day is also outrageous and you know, I'd pretty much say the effects of the same but you know, I would lean towards the Master on Because the master on seems to be a more potent like all day long all night long. It's on your mind kind of effect. Whereas probe eyring is not it seems to be a little bit less steady all the time. It's more of an up-and-down thing or something like that. I mean, I'm splitting hairs though right now, man. I'm splitting hairs. So if you like you said Sam wanted to have a crazy sex drive for a month. Well, Them, you know the number the two things that you'd want to have on your hands are as far as steroids would be Master on in probe. Ayran. You'd probably just want to experiment with those, you know, taking anywhere from fifty to a hundred milligrams per day of each or taking them at the same time, you know, whatever you want. It's up to you to do what you want to experiment with it. And then the other thing is with the testosterone, you don't want that to be real high because when you mix when you have a lot of testosterone you get a bunch of all these other hormones there man. Taba lights or products of testosterone in your blood and then when those get high it can kind of like screw things up. So usually people have the best sex drive on of testosterone on around likes trt about one cc of testosterone per week generally gives the best and most consistent sex drive facts. It's the most consistent. So something like, you know, a hundred milligrams of Master on per day with one cc of testosterone per week. Injected, you know as a half CC Monday and Thursday and then of the testosterone and then you would take one cc of the master on every single day and those would be like the best sex drive from steroids effects that you could get but then also stuff like Viagra so Dan and Phil and Cialis tadalafil. Those are like totally performance-enhancing drugs for your dig. So like if normally when Sex like you have like an 85% or 90% hardness dick, you know for the majority of the time. Well, if you take you know, sildenafil Viagra or tadalafil Cialis, well, it's going to be like a hundred percent like every single time guaranteed and if you have any kind of like performance anxiety or something like that or like, you know, thinking like shit, like I'm scared that I'm not going to be able to like get an erection like if You take this stuff that fear is going to go away. Okay, so I would definitely say to get your hands on some of that too. If that's what you're looking for, you know taking those things taking those things is generally good, you know, one time I took calves reject and you know, I did this one time and I'm not going to do this ever again, but Kai reject is an injectable thing that like you inject it into your dick and then it makes you get an erection like chemically So it's a it's called out prostate ill that's the chemical name and it comes in a vial like HCG, you know, you mix it up with water and then you use an insulin syringe. What I did was I did a 10 units it was it was ten micrograms. Yeah, and you don't shoot it like into the head of your dick you should have like the base of the shaft like like diagonally so like, you know like Like if you were like looking at your cock and the clot and you were like looking at it like it was a clock right? So you would you would inject the calves reject it like like two o'clock or 10 o'clock. That would be like the part and you do it right at the base like right where your dick like comes out of your abdomen. And so yeah, I did that. I used a I used an insulin syringe with a 5/16 of an inch long needle And it had a you had a 30 gauge thickness needle on it. And even right now talking about it. I want to like cover my dick because like I can't believe that I did that and I anyways yeah, dude, I freaking gave myself an injection in my dick with that cover Jack and you know what I put it in there and then you know, I injected the a prostitute ill in there and you know, what by the time that I took you know that I went Boop and pulled the syringe out pulled the fucking needle out of my dick. Jeez gah gah gah gah. Yeah, so did that and you know instantly it started rising and then for the next two hours, you know, I could go for a jog I could go run laps. I could go to the gym and lift weights, you know anything anything could be done and you know, that dick was not going to become a hard that was just the way it was and it was stuck that way for two hours and then it slowly went away. And then it felt very sore for about for about 24 hours afterwards. That's how it was with calves reject. That's my calves reject. I'll prostitute a story. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

The Steroids Podcast Episode 11 00:00 Performance Enhancing Drugs and Diet – Nutrient Partitioning Effects of Steroids – What is Nutrient Partitioning 01:58 Carbohydrates and Muscle Insulin Sensitivity on Steroids 05:20 Low Carb Diet on Steroids not Optimal – Natural Bodybuilder needs less carbs than enhanced 06:35 Biceps not Growing on Steroids Question – Preacher Curl 08:03 Metformin and Hypoglycemia 08:52 Symptoms of Hypoglycemia – Hypoglycemic Shock 09:45 Metformin reduces amount of Calories you absorb from you food 11:52 Testosterone and Dianabol Cycle Bloat Control Arimidex Dosage 13:26 Hypoglycemia from using Testosterone and Steroids Side Effects 14:30 How Long does it take to lose your gains after steroid cycle 17:20 small amount of the gains from steroids never go away if you keep going to the gym 18:26 Steroids Slightly Suppress Thyroid Function 20:45 Lowered Thyroid is one of the mechanisms by which Steroids cause weight gain 22:21 Hair Loss From Steroids Side Effects – Male Pattern Baldness Gene 25:10 Best Steroids for Hair Loss 27:36 how Hydochlorothiazide diuretics work for blood pressure and edema water retention – and why diuretics are dangerous 29:53 Insulin – Diuretics – DNP chemicals that can kill you, stay away from them 31:08 Crashed Estrogen from Steroids Side Effects – Exemestane/Aromasin is a steroid and is the best anti estrogen drug for “feeling good” 33:00 Average dosage of Arimidex per week for 500mg-750mg per week testosterone cycle 36:28 Best Testosterone Booster 37:45 Boosting Natural Testosterone Levels to get steroid-like results is a fool’s errand 39:49 Metformin Gastrointestinal Side Effects 41:50 The “Metformin Smell” 42:51 Metformin is a tool people use to Eat more junk food and stay lean 44:38 Blasting and Cruising on Steroids (What is the reason for “Cruising”) to avoid taking PCT post cycle therapy drugs 47:28 Is Anadrol good for Fat Loss compared to Tren Ace 48:38 Can You Starve Yourself on Trenbolone and not burn muscle 51:00 Aesthetics Fitness Models like Jon Skywalker and Zyzz What kind of Steroid Cycles they Use 52:58 Diet on Steroids vs Natural Carbs vs. Protein 54:45 Do I do PCT or TRT or Blast and Cruise on Anabolic Steroids 55:00 Typical Example Steroid Cycle for Me 56:50 Using HCG year round for natural testosterone, sperm production, and fertility 58:22 Steroid Cycle for Sex Drive and Libido Effects

Welcome to My Life see this applied episode 275 I wouldn't either she'll wear tonight is already the end of the second day of His Radio Show here. Which is the first day of L. We know there's two days of rest Raiders the 30th day of of and the first day of L. So the countdown has begun the countdown to Rosh Hashanah the year tough Shin pay. Five 780 so in exactly 30 days from now will be Rosh Hashanah. So L is known as the month of Preparatory month hideous Akana the man that prepares us for this year for us Asana, which of course encompasses the entire New Year that comes that follows and it's also the RadioShack has been the month of accounting of the past year. So really has two components that accounting for the And preparing for the future which of course goes hand-in-hand because you can prepare for the future. But if you don't take account and accounting for the past, you can repeat mistakes. God forbid or you don't improve properly. So in any good situation with his a Denver husband with an accountability and there's a plan for the future. There's looking what was done what can be done better what can be improved what can be corrected and then you make the plan for the year to come so month of elul encompasses both elements and That's where we're at and rosh chodesh as we know that the emphasis on the word rubbish in Hebrew the head of the month. It doesn't just say the beginning of the month like Rayshawn of the head of the year because like ahead. It's not just the top notch as the beginning of the month. It's also the central nervous system that controls the entire body the entire being in this case in time the British Traders like it is in Space the head of the body is the central nervous system that controls the entire body the head of the month. Is the central nervous system in time of the month that controls the entire month? So this is a powerful beginning and with that begins his journey the Journey of the day by day all the different introspection and the different ways we increase in our good deeds and as the rebbe explains the five different acronyms for the month of elul which correspond to the three pillars upon which the world stands an acronym that refers to dominating prayer. An acronym for Entertainer study Taylor and acronyms, it's DACA. And then of course the two other acronyms which is refers to chuva and to Gula so these five these five ideas these five principles Encompass all of Judaism all of you this kite and they're from the month of L. We look at all of them. So that way the entire spectrum of life is dressed. We're also in the week of posture safety. Chef team, of course immediately the name itself indicates that not melt element of accountability shaved him but shaitan Pita. Mahadeva, you shall appoint judges and law enforcers in all your Gates. So even a basic level, what is it George? What is a law enforcer? It's an accountability. It's accountability is to make sure that we are kept honest. So in the general sense of it you have outside people who are appointed as judges and law enforcers to to make sure that the nation the people the community individuals follow the law and but on a personal level as this brings they got a turd some upsetting that I besides it's quite a number of times from the CFC cane a lot of theta that is shaped and reshaped in the court didn't the Harbour referring to show that the world Gates is also interesting here. It really means municipalities, but the word Gates is says is that it's The referring to the judges and the lawn forces that we have to establish at the gates that connect the human being to the world around him or her and there's seven Gates. Shut up girl goes to seven Gates the two eyes two ears the two nostrils and the mouth. These are the interfaces that allow us to interact with the world around us. She think of a let's say a walled City. So there's this city the people dwelling inside the city the wall protects them. But every wall has Gates or else you can't get in you can't get out and the gate there Gatekeepers and that's why you protected inside the throughout the the people inside the city. So it worked on ozel goof as he has the Gomorrah says and Delta besides his tiny extensively are katanas our goof the small city is the body being the human being this body is exposed to a world with elements. Not just the weather elements and not just physical elements, but also, Jackal emotional and other influences around us that can affect us not always for the positive. So you have to have a wall around your city and that wall is the human beings defense mechanism are our armor, but that wall can be sealed completely because there's a need to interact with the world around us. So how do you interact without being vulnerable and hurt by destructive forces. So like a house you have your own home your home has a door. Has several doors has Gates and the gates. Are they getting you need to play as Gatekeepers? And that's the shape than the shades in the judges and the law enforces The Gatekeepers. That should make sure that your eyes don't wander in the wrong place that you look at what you should be looking at. The ear should be listening to what they should be listening to the nose. The smell should smell was it should be smelling and the mouth both what we taken to her mouth what we taste and what we speak should all be done with a an accountability. So how much morphine Is that to the month of L? That's exactly what L is about is to check our eyes and our ears and our nose and our mouth. Basically our five senses. The sense of touch is not mentioned here. Sometimes touches not mention as the number of Rights and made an Evoque them that that's a that entail you don't find me shoosh because it's a very it's a very crass and a very very materialistic form of a sense, but the other senses are taste touched sight sound taste and touch So I not touch taste and smell. So those are covered in the seven Gates and we plays Gatekeepers to make sure that what goes in and what goes out is done in the best possible way and that's the connection to shape them vitiated this week's chapter. So that's actually Supply that relates to the time and we're in living with the time and with that let us go into some of the questions and before we go into that. Let me make my announcement usually weekly announcement for those that are already familiar. That are new to this program. This program has been going on now for 275 episodes were talking over six years when the sixth Year and thank God has been very successful in the sense. A lot of people listening in a lot of people writing questions tremendous interaction, which really makes it so rich experience. It's not a one-way streets not just me speaking here. I'm responding to comments and questions and counter comments and counter-arguments and so on. So we We have designated entire website just for this because of its growth called Sid has applied that cam where you can find the all the episodes previous episodes. You can download podcasts and all different platforms listen to it. Whenever you at your own Leisure, you can also post an anonymous question completely Anonymous at The Forum there. So any questions all questions are welcome. All questions will be answered takes time sometimes because there's a backlog but Sir, only a sign of the success of this program and of course, there's also the different resources that you can find there including the essays last five years. We've done the essay contest engaging and including people from all over the world and all walks of life, especially students in writing essays that applies to this to life taking an idea of citizens applying it to a contemporary challenge or issue that can all be found that it has applied that calm and of course always to Ian specially we're going to the month of L when we increase in charity that we really depend on your support not just moral and psychological emotional support but also financial support in sponsoring a program in honor or memory of a loved one. So, please be gracious and be kind and help us out both to continue and to expand this program and thank you in advance with that. Let us go into the topics, but they'll begin with cross-referencing on that which I just discussed. LOL shaved him. So quite a number of episodes where these topics are addressed previous episodes 30 and 31 34 79 and 81 32 24 to 25 to 28 and 273. So we'll start with this question. Why doesn't Tate and Judaism celebrate art as it does song So to elaborate a bit when you look in the Tater, you'll find song of course Negan filler is sometimes called Negan or She-Ra She-Ra Siam. The other songs that we find is a prominent element in in Thailand in Judaism first annotation big sauvage animation the differentiators share the same passion hookahs shit is serious, very different sheets that we find the number of times such a important element. We find that appealing as I said is called shooter and song and of course we see Dialing has a Noosa that has been passed on different disguise and different synagogues idea of Ashley accessible. That doesn't just sing. But of course, we also have the Lovin the machete at him. The Levites were the composers of song The baits. I'm English. So song plays a very prominent role usually in Turkish Society secular society also says song music is a music and the arts arts include of course Artistry and I mean just Artistry in the broad sense. I mean art as in painting and there you don't find you don't find anything in the Tater about it. Now that doesn't mean that there aren't that wasn't valued based on means ocean the mishkan of course built into the Beautiful with beautiful embroidery and beautiful done the most possible way the way it was sculpted the gold the silver the copper and everything using the big but we're talking about art as making a picture of a person or of a landscape or some other picture. You don't find that. So the obvious reason for it is and well as go back to the secular world in the secular world, you do find it you find them both very prominent composition of music and the great artists throughout history. So there's the first thing that made it needs to be pointed out is that when it comes to Art including even two-dimensional are specially three dimension when you talk about sculpting this is the issue of that lace asset pestle not to make a pestle not to make something in the image. That is not just the image of God the image of a human being even we were careful not to do that. And therefore you could say that spilled over that bridge. There's that was always looked upon or frowned upon not to be involved in art on a very basic level because you're replicating something that is not the thing itself. And we always avoid doing that even making an image of something like similar to the beside me. There is not allowed and same thing with the human being who's creating the Divine image. So this was something that was avoided this does not mean just for the record. That making art is necessarily forbidden, even though there is discussion by different acronym and the matter. However, that is one of the main reasons but what's the logic behind it? The logic behind it is why we making art were replicating something for what purpose it could be a beautiful replication and it could be genius form of art when you're doing music and song is a way of serving God you're singing from your heart School Miss Olive song. An expression of the heart and soul so though art is also an expression song through an artist expresses a deep amount, but at the end of the day, it's not just a pure expression is the creation of something. Inseong is the expression itself expression can end up creating a song that people sing and they replicate that song the names middle sister all the songs that that David Lama lobsang to God and we sing as well. But an art the art itself is not itself a service will soon talk about whether you can use it for serving God but it itself is not a service. It can be an act of Genius. It can be a stroke of Genius. It can be beautiful. It could be inspired as well. But it doesn't he doesn't have quite the same type of expression some even say that when it comes to art art is really use Picasso's expression. He said art is the law and biggest lie that reveals a deeper truth because art is not real. It's always the artists version and rendition of something he said or she said but it reveals a deeper truth because the artist looks at something and looks deeper into it as will soon reading the moment from a rib is a letter on this topic. So the Effect of creating it is not so creating something that is as truth. It could be a beautiful rendition and it could reveal many things but it doesn't have quite that type of natural reaction of song singing a song so you could say you can say that even though it's true when it came to the mishkan there was the table is in the women that were crafts women and they were the Craftsman that were made to make everything beautiful and but that was not our that was creating actually materials that will be used in the, Michigan. But song The Levine's sang and compose songs. You don't find that. Someone said let's create art and hang up art in the in the Michigan or the base. I mean that so hang up art elsewhere to remind us of that because art is a replica that has some of the elements that can be seen as being a little off not the original and even trying to replace the original so I'm not going to suggest it's anything God forbid like idolatry, but it's that type of idea of creating something in the image of something else and that is Something that we always avoided doing and yet you find especially in the later years. We do find that art has become we have Jewish artists with jesusa artists and we have references to Art in different places, especially in letters of the debit. We have the story of the fleet the Culebra going to the museum in France where you three lessons with it, if he learned from the the Roberta shop with three lessons the three the lessons he learned from those three paintings and other elements like That so you see from that that it's not something that is not allowed to purchase art or not allowed to create art. Just talking about in comparison to song look at the syllabus the evidence so on so we have a few things from the rebbe on this topic, but I want to read another question on this topic before I go on in patches like through meant that seven others. The Taylor has all could have used pictures to better describe the Calum of the Michigan and close of the kohanim. The containers the vessels in the Michigan that the sanctuary and the close of the priests like we see in all the new promotion. Yes, they make these designs to make it easier to understand. Why is the lack of pictures in the preference to use words only what lessons that to us so that I would answer with the same idea with the what I just said right now now we use it today to help to be a teacher's aid to students a to be able to understand that makes obvious but the tailor itself should use pictures. It never used pictures even though you do find them. the time in different commentaries they sometimes will draw something but it's very rare and in between and it's not something that's commonly used the answer I would give is because I picture God created the human being in the image of God that's reserved to God to create pictures and images beyond that God is Beyond image and Beyond the lately other Hoover like do Sodom and we stay away from making a nuisance Alum of an image or likeness of any specially a human being but in general we say a away from that type of thing. So that's why the Taylor does not use pictures. It's text text describes idea and you have to use your second. You have to Envision it yourself again. That doesn't mean we can't use that as an aid, but it's not cool. Not originally. This is not the Tater approach to describing something. Okay. So now I want also recruit episodes one 2178 197 224 where I talked about art and music a bit as well. So now there's a few letters from the lever which set some light on this whole topic want to begin with a with a letter a letter or you keep this. Let me just see here. Here it was. Handle, Lieberman was a great facility artist oxidation his pocket and he had issues with reconciling art with especially the way artists taught and the school's you teacher and the type of environment where it's thought but that but barring that putting that aside he had his shoes. So he says and he does he said he tells a story one day many years ago. I came to the rebbe. The driver asked me he said how is your art coming along? So I answered I want to hold an exhibition and the rebel said, yes, sir. Yeah, of course you should each person on this Earth is a lot of the tasks. You have a talent use it use it to encourage Jews to return to their Judaism true in the old days painting was not considered an acceptable way to achieve the same today it is it is your way. So that's one thing we have in the UK this then we have a few letters and I'll just refer you if anybody wants these copies of these letters just send us your email address in the form because without your email address, we have no way of communicating contacting you and we'll send you the these these letters are copies of these letters. So just a selection of a few that I just looked at quickly in one letter that I was writing about art, and he's he quotes a Mr. Heimlich of lipshutz was an artist. The exhibition so is the rubber right? I've known him for many years. The point is that those who have been divinely gifted in art. I'm quoting now from a letter from Top Chef has fifth of kislev five seven to eight those who have been divinely gifted in art where the sculpture or painting and the like have the privilege of being able to convert an inanimate things such as a brush paint and Canvas OR wooden Stone into living form in a deeper sense. It is the ability to transform to a certain extent the material into spiritual even with the creationism still life and certainly with artistic work has to do with living creatures. And humans how much more so of the art medium is used to advance ideas, especially reflecting Toyota Mitzvahs, which would raise artistic skill to its highest level indeed. This is the ultimate purpose of the exhibition which hopefully will impress Inspire the viewers with higher emotions and concepts of you describe imbued with the spirit of Citizen make them to vehicles of disseminating users guide in their environment that particularly through the educational institutions. Okay, one letter. Another one is a letter actually it again to handle Lieberman. This is dated early on tough Shinu dolloff 24th of other two five seven eleven and here he was running a how he was depressed and you're not feeling it feeling down and the Debbie uses art, since you're an artist. Let me tell you a lesson as you surely are where the primary Talent of an artist is the ability to step away from the externally externalities of the thing and this regarding its out of form gays and sits in Earnest and perceive its Essence and to be able to convey this in his painting. Does the object is revealed as it has never been seen before since its inner content was obscured by secondary things the artist exposes the essence of the thing he portrays causing the one who looks at the painting to perceive it another true or light and to realize that his prior perception was deficient. This is one of the foundations of man service in his creators that have continues in the letter. So here again, you see that even though art was not used as a form of a veto session. But today the rebel saying it could be used and Rose already involved in it obviously should make an attempt to use it for kedusha and then one final letter from twenty fifth of seven tough shamans Ian five seven three seven. Talking about light and shade many pieces of the Fine Art involved an interplay of light and Shadow key elements in the composition of almost every artistic work and then it goes on to explain how light and Shadow is a reflection of a Taylor concept of using Darkness and Light in reflecting the truths of the Divine. So summing up and there's more summing up art and music and song are not exactly in the same level. That doesn't mean you can't use art. It's just like you can use mathematics. Mathematics was also known you not used by tato your mathematics and he'll cause a diversion. On other hello. His health was kid a shot. Hey - you need to know astronomy, but it's not the study of astronomy as an end in itself. It's part of those eyelashes. She could say same thing with the art music was of saved us - of evade evade. It's a shame traveling with a song The Levine composing the Governor David. I'm Malik writing a whole bit safer than seems mrs. Rawle tschida of tehilim and on and on and different songs art was never seen as such that does not mean that art cannot be used in that way one final thing this Personally remember ba de conduction Israeli artists was by the Deb and he talks about it in different interviews in Tulsa. Lambert has he wanted to make an exhibit. He didn't have wasted epitome to use the corner building the Kingston Eastland Parkway and there he made the exhibit and the leper said I will come to see it and then I became the second floor is 788 only time those of us that were in the building working. They were able to be 0 we were there and that ever went and commented on the art and the different reactions. Very fascinating actually one interesting thing about Equitable as far as an action if anybody's bought any of the art, this is when people hear the prize they faint the rubber smiled and said you should only do art for healthy people. Anyway, just as an aside. So they again you see the rebels using art and showing him lessons from it and obviously encouraging them to use a talent as the leather. So so so passionate in telling people to use your talent the fullest way possible way, and of course not just to create artists and art as an end in itself, but the way of reflecting a revealing deeper truths as I just read and of course in helping Eden and people in general to become closer to God and closer to the Tater and mistress So I hope I did Justice to the subject. Obviously. It's a large topic and never talked about it before so if anybody has any comments as feedback other sources from the debit or other places that I did not touch upon. I really would be really love to hear from you. And please send me whatever you have and I'll also of course at a of tella sobbing for the benefit of everybody as I'll share it on this program in future episodes. Let's go to the next question the next question. Is how should we relate to rabbis with different standards? Okay. So the one of the Rays this was a question that came in from different people different wording. I'll read one example, how should we relate as the bother to other Rabbi such as modern Orthodox, but the truth is the question as I said for many others is a broader one not necessarily categorizing any particular group. Just reading what this individual wrote it people with different standards. Should we be concerned with for example some what's our Rabbi that shaves or has different standards or differences in Castro's and culture. Should we Ask them how lucky questions if they're considered experts and all the barbecue drivers available. So obviously the barbecue is asking us. Should we invite them to give classes shoot him in are you shiva's how should we understand the rebel giving great covered to the god of soloveitchik, especially in light of our differences with for example all of Israel. So first of all, let me just make it very clear. I've never heard that when we solve a chick was against call this role and personally may have eaten all this law and I most likely did the question is whether all the students and others and they use the different atoms. I don't know that it's want to make sure since I'm writing reading the questions shouldn't be even though the question may be thinking this way. But as I want to just correct it for the record, so it shouldn't have come across the wrong way. Thank you very much because of generally I want to free two episodes 159 to 36 and 236 overall our attitude to everybody whether it's a rabbi or to individual is with obvious. Oslo is with love. We talk about rabbis the standard for Rabbi is of course, how long hello now in a locker we know itself. There are many rabbis have different standards in unlocked itself. As long as it's within the framework within them is get us within the context of legitimate how logic interpretation there is room for different interpreters. There are people who are more makeup. Well more lenient that people are more strict as long as it's within that framework as long as within that framework a rabbis are Abba. Yes Meera which means ordination and he has the knowledge and he has this image which is like residency that it has a residency or apprenticeship or whatever you want to call it. And then he's a practicing Rob is a practicing it of the moisture Feinstein was a great one of the greatest person that ever sent people think it was not a kebab. I think it was not above average. Slam is almond or back there were others many. So as long as you're talking about a legitimate Rabbi, that's the question. I'm not sure what the question is that attitude is with the Taylor says that you treat rabbis with respect. Now if you're saying it's a rabbi, that's not a locker a rabbi. That is breaking law. God forbid then by that definition is really not a rabbi is disqualified himself. Rabbi is not the title among get one was takes upon themselves. It's how they live up to the title. And the Taylor tells us she'll say what are the standards that's already beyond the scope of this. Russian hear this you have to go to the bottom you do trust we have laws and huncles marmoleum and other health workers that talk about what defines how Locker what is the category of a lock? Of course, you'll have some people say that Rabbi is gone outside of the pale and this Rabbi say that rabbis no good, but I want to stay away from politics and personalization. There are objective standards. What makes something a local just like Charmaine hill our disagreements, but it was both based on the you'd given me this return address has been the 13th methodology tape. ETA the principles the weight is applied and taught and and and and brought into into legal decisions. The same thing applies today, so to go now cause the board to start going to each Rabbi and saying here that Brad by fits. That's something that legitimate rabbis can be consulted. If there's a question if you hear about a rabbi whose you here is doing things that seemingly are dubious or questionable a lockley so you can look into it but always with with respect because you may not have heard right you may not have maybe he is basing it on something that doesn't mean it has to be your standard each one of us has to find out about him that way that we go bar stand there just because Somebody has a different standard doesn't make them outside of the category of a locker and the word labov ensure even though I understand where you're coming from, but we are Taylor people we're all coming from the same tailor tailor access to Kelowna one Taylor was given to us at Mount Sinai. Yes, there are 12 different tribes and total different applications and 12 different cavernous and many more. There are differences between women between between Spider-Man ashkenazim and within ashkenazim itself. There were different Cahill has different communities different. In Disguise different ways different forms of davening language and David and how much is it said how much is not set and each one has them and hug them and customers natto or not a pastor like River rivers that rivers that split and and Branch off into different ways. They're all within as long as they're all within that framework of theta. It's actually a beautiful it's a beautiful tapestry and Harmony of so many different now today, but when he made the see that it says that he took from a hundred different student in disguise. And made the news of them so bad that doesn't delegitimize other new Skies, obviously, once you follow something you have to follow it and the rebels very keen that when people became the habad hassidim that they should maintain their customs and maintain their garments and the maintain the levels whether it was the Moroccan boy children students or was from other cities, she cries and other cities and communities. Why because there's a Holiness to customs now, we're not we're talking about black white black white Taylor mitzvahs. Even in her locket self you have to film that. I've been a time. You've filmed over a she we talked about this last week that diversity as long as it's within the framework, then that's it stated period what Stan did you should choose that's already up to your Euro sham. I'm where you are talk to your love and create and determine where you want to be what you grew up with and so on but that doesn't take away from the validity of what their abundant and as I said if its own was none that structural framework another story different discussion altogether Okay, as far as quality slow, I spoke about this a number of times and that I refer you to other episodes. I don't even have them here because I wasn't going to speak about it next question considering the rebel refusing to receive a new car as a gift. What should our attitude be to receiving gifts. The rabbi Jacobsen I saw a video of the Rebel refusing a new car as a present. Yes. It was a video going around with a debit of the new car that ever came out of 770 and weighed in the way that they wanted. All Carney said saying in my tongue to see if here someone who despises gifts shall live and the rabbit has refused to go into that car until they brought the old car was the debit not aware of this present meaning gift until he came outside and saw it. Also aren't we taught us? It has to use out everything for a shame when we're doing when do we Draw this line the line. Should I not should I not take presents gifts from others from people? Okay, I don't know all the details of the story. I sorted your most people saw. I don't know that I was told beforehand. It appears to me. He wasn't because he would have said it that why was he beerus anyone? Why would he do anything like that in public seems to me it was a surprise because surprise gift which I think may add to the equation because of course that ever did receive gifts people gave the Deborah things and he took them. Not everything but there were things that he took I just was reading somewhere about talk about artists. There was an artist who came with different types of art to that I better and they wanted to give the rebel that I've asked him is this for me say said the devil wants something and I'm says it looked at them I think was one one piece of art that I ever wanted then he asked him. Is this an original this is the original say said, I don't want an original send me a copy make a print of it and send me a print the point is that ever did take gifts whether was - Forum or other things. He always gave some money for it. Well, maybe that could be the reason because he didn't want to take a pure gift because there is that standard but to say that not to take gifts. We know there's a concept of a mountain in Taylor people give a Madonna. And a maternal not always we repay it. We can but there's no Cloud. Now, of course the debit had a standard as his own standard. Maybe the higher standard was sent him a ton of see here. And that's obviously not just commendable that ever standard in this case, you know, you can argue that besides the gift was also the surprised you're not being told and sorry that I was getting a new car and was not like something without maybe it was not just maybe that episode not as respectful even but he did say the same amount honest. He didn't just say didn't tell me why don't you tell me but it's hard to know. And up his mind it's hard for us to speculate. So what do we learn from it? That's the bottom line what we learned from it to say that we should never take a gift from anybody because that ever did that look if you're such a more cushion and you could stand on such a standard that you just never take gifts. I am not going to tell you to take gift, but I don't know. That's the lesson we have to learn from it. Are we on that my draga and and there's so many other things we should be doing before maybe that so I think it's Case by case if it's a gift. Left we're just an Indulgence then obviously, we should have higher standards. If it's a gift. Somebody is a kindly giving you a gift. They give you give a constant a gift to someone so the cousin College shouldn't take these gifts. It's a really meaning you slow. I'm going to give a gift that evam self got gifts at his wedding. So I think it understands Cinema Tunisia is also needs to be qualified. It doesn't because it cannot contradict the fact that we have a whole Susan Yamada about the in the layout via inland. About giving gifts to people Exodus brings it as well that if a person is not pleased to another person. They won't give them a gift and we have a taters called Montana and you Lucia and gadol and all the different things but none is a legitimate as aspect and Taylor and how lockers Health has Martinez Martinez Slovenian etcetera Etc. So we have the concept of a gift. So the Pacific is clearly talking about someone who's just taking something without effort without earning it and in a way like an indulgent think so this is this Augustine difference volume and I'm not going to go into all the details. So I think that the standard for each one of us has to be discussed with the much beer and determine where you stand and what kind of gift that we talking about. If it's a give just indulge or to give the person a kind person to turn and tell and turn and say here I am throwing you back a gift is also not a cordial thing to do, you know, maybe take the gift. You don't want to indulge in it. Don't use it or use it for a different thing but not to just throw give back and someone's face is also not appropriate. So I think Suspect on Case by case and I don't know if you can take the story with it up as a blanket approach that we reject all gifts that come our way. It's also the famous story with our base of travel all of us Harlem when the rebbetzin gave him a chocolate after he helped her carry the bags upstairs. He said that person, you know, and the other she said that come from axes home and I was they taught not to take pay from for doing a favor to a Jew. And especially from the rebbetzin and the rabbits are smart and said, I think I also I assume I also come from his home and as they told that when you're given something you take it, especially a good chocolate. So again, I'm not saying this is a directive but it's also an interesting way of looking at things that not everything has to be rejected just because it's a gift so things have to be done with context. And with with moderation is how I would put it if anybody has any more comments on this I welcome them. It's another topic. I have not spoken about you know, people have asked me the questions are new questions coming in. I said, you know something very interesting lie because they say how many how many more episodes can you do? Honestly, I didn't know we'd go so long. I don't know how and I thought it would be a few weeks a few months. And then you run out of questions you run out of audiences. The audiences have grown. The questions are growing. Their questions are very very original like these ones. I've never addressed them. So the me to me that's a good sign that people are personally invested in this and actually asking questions on their heart and when you're talking questions in your own personal life, I think questions go on and on life does not end and questions don't end so we will continue in that context. Okay, if anyone has I said comments on this Please share next question, why are older singles look down upon? So this is a recurrent topic that yes, I have addressed and I'll refer to some previous episodes. But since the question comes up time and again, so let me just address it and refer you to times I've spoken about in the past. Hi, dear up semen my question for you. Today is our older singles worthless. Do they have any value and why is our community so marriage-based? Why? If you are an older single, you're treated like trash and subhuman. Okay, there you go. Uncensored so firstly I what you just read if anybody treats anybody this way, it's their problem. God forbid God forbid a human beings created by God every person who deserves and should the treated with the Vault most dignity and respect and honor and the contrary if somebody is an older single, you know what they're going through. I'll tell the nurse have a I should take Dylan came don't ever judge someone without being in their shoes. Amador have a damn cold Autumn the cops cause you have to always find somebody to have screw shaft always look at the merits and so on. So this attitude is absolutely this obnoxious and disgusting and in no way am I going to even try to attempt to explain that I'm going to explain behavior that that is not explainable. That's inappropriate. But since you're right it I'm reading it because there are people that behave that way and it's completely not a pack of hot potato agami completely. They want to help you as it up and let them find the shooter and so How do they know what you're going through if you're older single, maybe you're suffering so they should have even more compassion to look at you as worthless. I mean, I just I'm appalled not that I haven't heard of it before but I'm appalled and I'm stating it for the record. Question worthless value. What kind of soil is that? What's not even it's not even a have a mean. Otherwise no consideration. And anyone treat slap someone like trash and subhuman is themselves that way. Not appropriate behavior period so let me just make that clear. Secondly. I want to refer you to episodes $14.99 one 2263 268 and 269. I discussed this at length in different contexts of the way people are treated question. Someone asked of you. I think the later episodes was that people constant say to me I should have by you and they insensitive type of way of communicating. So again, all the insensitivity all type of behavior. This is absolutely appropriate Now of course a community has a standard and the standard is they'd like to get everyone married off at the young age of the early 20s. I'm talking now about at least and someone starts getting older. Yeah, they become stigmatized. I don't think it's appropriate because again people we don't know what people go through everyone has their challenges but this is the sad side of any type of like I would say ghetto mentality or narrow mindedness of any Community they have their Isn't anything that stands out is uncomfortable. So unfortunately, some people will stoop the behavior. That's a completely inappropriate the rest of us have to look at ourselves and say, you know, what, of course, we'd love to have our children married a certain age would love to have everybody married and that and everybody's happy but some people have challenges whatever they may be and we don't know what they are. And even if you know someone your own family, you know that they are maybe the problem even if that's the case. It's still not a resistor vacation to look down and be condescending or in any way destroyed. Missive people there's a lot of these I'm shammes. Why should we demoralize them more than they already demoralized? Due to their status meaning they want to be married. So if you want to be of help find ways in is sensitive refined ways to help people definitely not this behavior and I talked about this at length. So from my point of view, it doesn't matter what age you are. You're God's child your love not just retired after the commercial. You're a human being you're a mensch. And yes, you have everybody has their trajectory. And what about people are married in their marriage isn't going so well. So we're also going to start we're going to start looking at each other and whose life exactly cannot be Under the microscope and come out perfect. So we have to learn that we have to be a little more sensitive creative shells a good month for introspection and that matter it's very easy to become judgmental to become dismissive condescending frankly. I see that as one of the terrible middest. It's mither mither raw. It's an evil feature in human being a characteristic. It's something we have to fight if you want to analyze it judgmentalism and condescension is usually comes from insecurity. Now coming from so news on such a high level and they just can't tolerate anything. That's not on that pure standard. They have their own issues and in a way some people even the somewhat like I don't want to say celebrate other people's misery, but it makes maybe takes away from focusing on their own challenges and problems. I don't want to go down to psychoanalysis. I'm only saying it because it's despicable and we have to do everything to eliminate it. And yes, it's usually it's usually My 99.9 but I would say a hundred percent not coming from do shh? Coming from a bad place. Well, we have to think about every time you say something to somebody be sensitive mother Allah Sunny La Vela Savvy that which you dislike don't do it on another viewer in that person's shoes. And you were single or some other challenges you have would you like someone to look at you like that? This is called working on yourself. And that's the coming to the lowest common denominator where we become like where we become what we behave in ways that are not appropriate for human being for a June definitely for its element of Kim to behave. And those that aren't the situation hopefully can find friends and support to get through it and finally find their should look in may this be the month of April is the month of Hassan has a month of Consciousness and engagements for all of you and hopefully we can do something to eliminate this the this scoured of so many singles but men and women and finally everyone getting married and happily married and so on and do everything possible to help them, okay? next why is it more cities being translated and made accessible to the mainstream? Okay, this is a question close to my heart. But I've had several different questions came in this context. I'm going to read one actually uses a personal one about a colleague and friend of ours all of our solemn that passed away this past year. So this came in much earlier few months ago, but nevertheless still relevant, but it touches upon this topic and other topics. So let me read it as is. I usually try to avoid mentioning names. But in this case I will make an exception for obvious reasons hide up Simon. I would like to speak to you today about Robina often all of our solemn in the context of a hyena Liberty means the living shall take to heart first. I want to say that whether you liked the Vienna or not. He was a raft wailing man man with full of action. He accomplished a lot. So I think we all need to continue his work. I want to go through some of the things he was involved with and everyone can get involved in those areas to some degree. Number one should do him all the NOS should and could get involved in Shadow come especially in light of the shooter challenge either on a smaller scale or in a larger scale, especially since his son said at the chelation that the shidduchim project is open for grabs and this of course follows up the cam the the previous question. Yes. Absolutely. Let's not become judgmental and critical. Let's take it all and become part of the solution not part of the problem and try and find ways to help the should do and people who need to do him start thinking. Out that would be a beautiful way of taking your whatever you've done and how to behave in your reactions to singles negative reactions. If anyone has such a thing and turn it into a positive thing of becoming a force of change and growth and helping build should do that's a beautiful lesson. Number two is been said that a be any did many acts of Hazzard discreetly that besides it sure ducking besides they should do so, I think we can all increase in acts of kindness starting with a small Act of being kind to our fellow by saying hello to our neighbor. Her and being more welcoming to a newcomer in shul. till when we are going to exclude people from our Inner Circle because they don't fit our mold or because of their status is below the law our dignity to talk to them negating that attitude obviously don't you think you have a pretty fragile self-esteem? If you can't speak to someone who doesn't fit your high status, so to eliminate that and start welcoming everyone saver point of my office with a smile completely acceptable. Excellent lesson number two and three last but not least. I want to talk about the Translating. Of course, it has about into English, which was one of our beings biggest projects. I didn't want to talk about this but since you spoke about this in the last Weeks that Taylor is not copyrighted. So I allow myself to say the following all there are being translated tremendous amount still most of the city. This is still is not yet translated up cinnamon. I've similar I want to ask you this take for example, the translation of the Tanya was completed in the late 60s since then 50 years of past wise and Teta eight on the quantitative translated already. Well parts are just for the record. We have to remember that the Deb I believe in the decade of the 80s is basically printed all of this fun of of that. I'll beim don't you think that ever deserves we should make an effort translating all of us in this Chabad starting with the classics from each tribe. I know I know it's thinking big but I think the Rabbids You quoted in the last few weeks episodes 246 through 248 letters of the free the connector and the rebel saying that the printing of see this Kebab belongs to course, but how about the translation of us it is does that belong to God or citizen English as well? What I would like to suggest up Simmons is that lets say that the translator synthesis in the domain of certain entities shouldn't they allow younger light to our Nana Slickers, but are very gifted and know how to look through this and to translate and the fundraiser as well shouldn't a premier permitted should They be permitted to do so. She is now so your points are all well taken and I for one I'm the biggest advocate of the more the merrier of translating citizen. Yes, I'll be in and did a great service that hundreds of books that he did his son today up smoothie and they should they be successful in continuing this work including broadening in the translation of Delta divisional Canada and other works of the rebellion, and that will help of course tremendously help the learning of it for those that don't know the Hebrew or even though that don't know. All the Hebrew so I can't say enough about doing everything possible to translate and disseminate and reach Exodus to the mainstream. I would go a step further. The biggest challenge I see is not just translating but translate in a language that can be accessible. Not just the people who know the framework already accept the ideas, but even the people who have never heard of these ideas, we have millions and millions of people out there that to me is even a greater tragedy that hasn't been translated and made accessible. All to that large large mainstream audience because I have no doubt that if it was it would make a revolution true evolution of your foot so many soccer Hood sir. I can go on and on about this but time is limited. I think what matters are coming over this small of this short talking about it with the right emphasis and the write expressions. Hopefully make the point and drive the point home. Okay, so thank you for that next question. Did the rabbit ever discussed Jewish extremist attacks against Palestinians? And what is the proper way to view followers of borrowing Goldstein but are ghosts in was sewn who killed in medicine medicine machpelah and seven and a whole bunch of Muslims are Arabs years back and there. Yeah, I don't recall the debit directly speaking about Jewish extremists. To be honest. That doesn't mean that it didn't like she might think that I have someone has sources with the liver may have spoken about it whether in Fabrications or in your head. This or and letters and so on and so on. Please make me aware and I'll be happy to share that I could say that we know that AB is approach in general to car noise and zealots. Is that a lock approach extremism and terror is not acceptable in this context Pinnacles was the is shallon and that's one exception what he behaved but it's not something that you can just go and follow that and behave like that. There's a process and there's a way Taylor does things but that can am without you saw him from the so-called hold a drug addict and a in the ways of Taylor are Pleasant and all its paths are peaceful. And that's where the dead are always emphasized even a much slighter things that when you present something never with mega. Well not with males meaning that sharp not critical not attacking always in a pleasant way. So I have no doubt if the issue of extremism and maybe they're additive want to be greatest. It didn't even want to recognize it. for sure that type of approach of killing other people Even if they're your enemies, I don't think that ever would condone or Advocate that no question in my mind. Now after the fact that doesn't mean you have to go make him a martyr Baruch Goldstein he did what he did and unfortunately was imprisoned appropriate. I can't see that Evergreen and definitely not becoming Advocates of that type of behavior. I never would have believed that I would say that so I don't think that we can in any way condone and support the Bigger followers of Cobra Goldstein or other such type of extremists. It's not the Taylor way. It's not the way we do things. That's what I have to say about this topic. And even though that ever was very adamant obviously about the stalker managed to stall but he never allowed it to be public strikes and to come out publicly and in demonstrate against the Israeli government because it didn't want to give feed any enemies that I ever wanted to influence from within that influence that they themselves should change their positions, but not through through doing things against them or attacking them or undermining them boycotting. Another thing that I was always against that so that tells you a long enough. So there's that's not compromise the deposition questions how to challenge something you don't agree with you don't do it through violence and you don't do it through gressive aggression and through other forms of of attacking the other party. There's many ways to do it. That was the key thing the way that ever did it that distinguish the debit from others without Anyway, minimizing the position that I've ever had on these matters. Okay next. So we have to follow see here. So first of all, it's a bunch of follow-ups. I'm going to do right now in episode 2 73 I was speaking about half of so I misspoke. I spoke to about a beautiful powerful sick of the devil talks about himself where he learned to we're it from his gives you the anchor sir when he was a child in his father's home young man is father's home. So I quoted I said you're out of this Interruption Lambert S. I want to correct. It its cough of tough genomic tests. See if some of you want to look it up in the honoka. So that's just a correction as a second someone asked about space launch. I recall you mentioned this one one of your programs. Can you please let us know where my question is? What do we learn from Israel launching a spacecraft today? So this was written a while ago today meaning back in February. So I don't recall speaking about Israel launching my maybe maybe I don't remember myself a speaking about I did speak about the 50 years from landing on the moon and episode 269 the first manned lunar Landing in July 1969. And July 2019. I spoke about it in episode 269. Okay, and the final follow-up is actually, two more two more male must be uh, yeah, so I was talking about being a male must be a for women. So someone points out concerning your last talk on to the supply 274. I asked the Debonair he does who should be my my spear that ever told me my teacher who he named should be my match beer. I am female and my Mashpee is male. I asked it up again another hit us and the rebels still wanted this person to be my Mash beer. This person is a rap is Rabbi alter medsger. I was very surprised to hear from people now that Must be should be the same gender as the person asking. So yes, I spoke about it. And remember there's much beam in his much beam. There's a my spear that's like a row of A more senior veteran position so raava because our office usually going to be a male but that's different than I must be sure that your speaks about all your most personal intimate matters. And I think that's that's one that major distinction between the two also depends who the individual is and there are exceptions and yeah, but generally speaking it's healthier same gender must be him that stand by that and I don't think it's a contradiction to what you are quoting. Okay, one more Up is kaffir for pregnant women last week's episode 274. It must be a one was episode 248 just for the record and and 274. Okay, you recently addressed the issue of ask a few for a pregnant woman that was last week as a mother. I was made aware of the gemara that mentions that when a mother eats that which her body craves during pregnancy her baby will eat. Well after birth having had the experience of infants who had a very difficult time eating. Well, this seems to be a significant Point I do not have the gemara source handy. My apologies parenthetically interestingly. There's a discussion of this form of this from a nutritional medical Vantage Point as well. So I spoke last week about his coffee of pregnant women that a pregnancy itself. Is this kawhia and thank you for pointing it out the Gomorrah. I would say if you heard that is the mission of famous Mission and humor pay based on the Oliver could be there's another good morning getting maybe or others have someone in know something more please share button. And in Yuma pay based on all of the famous mission that a woman. I am Kipper smells food pregnant woman. I should say pregnant woman says she craves it. So it says that you have to give it to her because it's going to affect her and the pregnancy and her child which we derived from that that her craving. Obviously we're giving it to help the child and then goes a whole discussion about Yom Kippur in about kosher not Kosher and how to do it and so on but that's a basis that are pregnant woman. Yes, her craving has an effect and that's why the hell ah who reckons with it. There may be more on this topic, but thank you for pointing that out and it's a really somewhat somewhat tangential to what I spoke about. But but thank you for completing the record okay with that. We are going to go now to the see this question. See this question. Is that question the end of peda craft test and Tanya? Woman male enough Lassiter acronym short of the glory of God susruta. So let's first table it says in tiny and then I'll read the question. This person is asking in time you pay the Crafters out there ever addresses the issue. Now, let's say after all that everything you do. You can't muster up the energy to be able to do anything with your yetzer Hara with you never shop, Amis. What could you do? The nervous Obamas is blocking your ability to love God to serve God properly and so on. the language of Delta debe Yes, so the plumbing the eating Ramen there many times. They have Tim Tim. I love the the heart is blocked comes like a stone and he cannot open it but shoe Maven Nevada shibboleths wood filler to service of the heart, which is Dominique. So he says what's the eights of the ETA is Beatrice was British. He brings in Isaiah that sometimes when you want to get the Sparks to fly the flame to catch in a piece of wood. That's like a block of wood that just resistant. You have to strike it and he goes on to speaking about how you have to like be little and humiliate that part of the an animal Soul. That's what he goes on to say and when you do that that itself will reveal the real and one of that's inside of a person That's the gist of it. I mean it's a little deeper than that. Obviously I'm being just superficially just reviewing it. But then he says before I get to the end of The Paddock he says and by doing that just a moment and recognizing goes deeper that recognizing what how do you do it by recognizing and saying the never tsubame should just blocking the light of godliness the truth of godliness in my life. And by recognizing that it's a darkness that wants to be eliminated that alone breaks the resistance. That's the point and the real Godly Soul gets revealed. So then at the end of the pay the exalted ever says that this is really more for tuition paid in the parser Medallion what happens the miraculous comeback and they give a very bad report about it's all just going to use the language of the alphabet. okay, and they cause the whole nation to get to begin to also begin to cry and just a minute, please. They get the whole nation to also feel that way. So what happens next here? Come on, come on Schmidt to those in the footage the Taylor. They didn't believe they said cause it women. I'll take him they say, how's it comin this this this Israel this Promised Land the stronger not just stronger than us stronger than God. They didn't believe in God's possibility and then suddenly you hear that. They change once they hear the the the that motion abandon got some gets angry at them and promises that they will not enter it to throw other. Change of mind and alternative said suddenly House of amla Hidden Valley know here we are and we want to go up there. It's a slow. So I'll turn up it has a Mayan closet Obama money be held from where suddenly did return to them the faith in God's God's potential moisture do show them any miracle. They were just yelled at. And to say the yelling did it is not enough because they didn't believe in God's power so suddenly because God said you care that you can't go intention. So that will that they will believe in style today Vance is because they were really my meaning blame my meaning before they really have Interfaith. It's just that then after shave balm is the outer blocked it somebody yelling which means like putting them down and showing them how this this resistance to God Is So despicable and so anti everything that's true. It revealed a moon. That's the general gist of it. So it's a lie. It was out there episodes and Tiny. So the questioner asks if the Moroccan became my minam and and remember that ever points out. It's not just the monogamy even in general. They became my minimum now suddenly as the alternative points out how why is it they didn't listen to God again and wanted to go up without permission because what is the positive say afterwards? It says, yes, they said they want to go up now. They're too slow. They had a change of heart, but then right afterwards the six says The plastic says that God said no, you can't go. So again, they're defying God. So how's the alter rebbe saying? This is a night that they really got to going up there to sell was not necessarily a positive thing. So the answer if you look inside the suit Kim and this is different people about how commentaries on Tiny explain that even though. It sounds that what they complain to go potential saw was not coming from a positive place. Because Hashem said Mason told him to the gods rotten in the Bazooka. I'm just saying positive men bathe them delete them and hey that God said it's not yet time for you to go up. So number one. They didn't know that when they said we want to go they had he said is true. That's number one before they said it was too powerful for us. Now they want to go so they didn't know that God would say no, it's not the time yet. So the only reason they did say it was because of their Munna but there's an additional point they did it beside the moon in Hashem and it a high my Cottage on the Pacific there. Mem Dallas says that the fact That's after they mutineer against God now. They wanted to correct it to trust God and decide with faith. That's why they said let's go Tara too slow. And the good morning shop is that siding Zion Olive says they were not called real machine showing Amish. And there's a form of this is nefesh actually ready to go Terraces. Also there was a change of heart it wasn't meant to because that's not what they burst I wanted but as far as the altitude above the proof for he wants to bring out its intact because this was not defying God was their intentions were good intentions and it was that they didn't even yet here that God said don't go yet. So that's the answer to your question. But thank you for that. And this is of course a form you could ask any questions. I'll see this we always dedicated the end of the program before the asa's questions Exodus and now Go to the three essays. This is all from essay contest 2019. The last essay contest this 5th St. Contest. These essays are new essays that are posted weekly. So the already have around 50 posted and there's a new essays that were posting as we go each week and you can see them at City supply.com essays. And if you subscribe to our weekly emails, we also send out a notice of the of these of the new essays I should also mention before I read them. That we also have a week a daily email now going out every day of 60 days based on my book 60 days of spiritual Guide to the holidays that travels through the Journey from the sky Rochelle all the way to the strangest hazard. We also did last General will make it available a podcast which you can also access every day a few minutes a minute to three minutes that I speak about the message from each day of L and then tishrei going through the whole 60-day period so let's now do the essays three essays. The first essay is crayfish for the power of influence the power of of spa Miracle yaffa simcha, bitch age 39 car Chabad Israel Well, then it Sofia, okay. so opening up with a question with a comment from the Devas file bring a Shabbos kazane that the when the rebel came out with the idea of a sailor collar of my Saucy percussion of she's a heartfelt request and we should be some publicized everywhere that is conducted every person men women and children. Should I say the kaurav have a point and laugh. So this essay is about exactly that that was Saba stolen cars in Topsham involved. And goes on to discuss this in context of what exactly is a must be it. Was that ever spoke about already you test kiss liftoff shamans I and idea of my spear from the word Chef a chef a chef a chef a as opposed to the says earlier is light Chef has a flow and the many distinctions. And in this case the rebbe explains this essay elaborates how the power of must be is. Not it not just to be a reflection of the source but to be engaged with and affected by the influence. You haven't sown so as to be type of commitment to that and that's what a true must be is and goes on to describe a summarizes. What a true must be is my LaMotta mottola Milah. And how comes down into action and each generation especially in our time very powerful and very relevant and important essay because it's one of the most important ideas of the lever one of the directives that I maintain has not been fulfilled for the fullest and can do a lot more we can do for it. So thank you for that. Next. Essay is you say this like I'm smack him the foundations for a joyous life. I have a guy'll slonim age 45 mid sparrowmon Israel shloka, she's asleep. Yeah. In the last year's, I'm just Loosely translating - ecology. And the literature of this new age and New Age literature. Talks a lot about controlling your thoughts. And that how thought controls your actions? the power of attraction in truth when you look through this and Tanya to rights you really Come Away with a much more fundamental approach to all of this and this essay is going to address that. and does it through the Itachi dismay of the Conquering of the South Seven Nations of Israel which cities explains it refers to the seven emotions Kanani Hitler made it pretty heavy Russia and girl go she Really powerful comprehensive job in this essay in doing so that really brings it that Rings The Point pound brings the point out that in so many ways that which we know today that's being very popular today something that's fundamental to tail Exodus for many years before and how you can implement it in our own ways going through these seven different steps. step 7 steps are zhi Li the personality separation. submission sweetening Those are the main steps she points out. Okay, very well referenced as well and annotated. Thank you for that and finally essay number three is those two on Hebrew. This one is an English watch your words by Esther. I apologize. If I don't pronounce it right prakasha or prakasha prakasha age 19 PR ocac CIA agent in Brooklyn, New York. School-based Chaya. Mushka Seminary Montreal throughout our lives. She writes there have been innumerable mountains in which people have made biting comments that have heard us we all we were all victims at some point or another of the blade of an innocent-looking string of words that have affected us in a negative fashion. Some people's lives have been completely crushed since the spoken word is as mighty as the power of creation itself because of this awareness must be spread as to avoid the furtherance of such detrimental misconduct considers ISM teaches her citizen teaches that speech impacts the end in animate and inanimate alike including water stones and air and is until today and active tool creation, which can be employed by voting slander and gossip and consciously choosing to use kind words and that's where the essay focuses on The Power of Words. Watching your words and the power much more than you can ever imagine. So it's a great essay as well because it focuses on a lot of things about how our words affect environment and fact people affect the Vibes themselves and something we all can hear use a lot to remember that words are not just loose words have impact words create words destroy words can build so thank you for that a very solid essay as well. And just I'm touched again. And again every time I read these essays the different types of people different backgrounds different ages all applying themselves to take us to this and make them come alive personally relevant Lee and accessible and all in all possible ways. So with that we conclude this week's episode 275 of my life because it has supplied. We're here every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. And everyone have a very fruitful meaningful accountable. joyous compassionate month of LL clear shot at him melek basada with the milk is accessible to all of us in preparing an accounting for and preparing for the new year Shana Tova masuka Civics imitative, and we'll be here again next Sunday mr. Sham 8 to 9 p.m. Thank you very much.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS: • Chassidus Applied to Elul and Shoftim 0:10 • Why doesn’t Torah and Judaism celebrate art as it does song? 9:19 • How should we relate to Rabbis with different standards? 24:08 • Considering the Rebbe refusing to receive a new car as a gift, what should our attitude be to receiving gifts? 30:32 • Why are older singles looked down upon? 36:34 • Why isn’t more Chassidus being translated and made accessible to the mainstream? 42:56 • Did the Rebbe ever discuss Jewish extremist attacks against Palestinians? What is the proper way to view followers of Baruch Goldstein? 48:20 • Follow up:       o Male mashpia for women (episode 248) 52:55     o Moon launch (episode 269) 52:15     o Iskafya for pregnant women (episode 274) 54:09 • Chassidus question: Tanya end of chapter 29: If the Jewish people were true believers, why did they defy G-d again and wanted to go up to Israel without permission? 55:59 • My Life 2019 essays:     o כוחה של השפעה, Michal Yaffa Simchowitz, 39, Kfar Chabad, Israel 01:03:26     o יסודות לחיים שמחים, Avigail Slonim, 45, Mitzpe Ramon, Israel 01:05:26     o Watch Your Words, Esther Procaccia, 19, Brooklyn, NY 01:07:22 Submit your question now at  https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ask-rabbi-jacobson/ or email: info@chassidusapplied.com. WEBSITE: https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ EMAIL US: info@chassidusapplied.com SPONSOR A MYLIFE: CHASSIDUS APPLIED EPISODE, OR EXPLORE OTHER GIVING OPPORTUNITIES: https://www.meaningfullife.com/sponsorships MyLife: Chassidus Applied is a weekly video webcast candidly answering questions from the public about all life matters and challenges, covering the entire spectrum of the human experience. The objective of the program is to provide people with inspired guidance and direction, empowering them to deal with any issue they may face. MyLife demonstrates how Chassidus provides us with a comprehensive blueprint of the human psyche as a microcosm of the cosmos, and offers us all the guidance we need to live the healthiest possible life and build nurturing homes and families, bringing up the healthiest possible children, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. MyLife is brought to you by the Meaningful Life Center as a public service, free of charge.

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Headline number one it to could get Sue on the heels of stardom Suzuki retiring this last week could get to also now chew, but retiring her final match was start on we on January 26 Center final match overall will be on a self-produced show on January 24th. Yesterday rid of Dave Meltzer is wrestling Observer. I'm going to read directly from the Observer and the cut out a little bit here and there but I'm going to try to read it directly. It says could get su-27 who held the world of stardom title in the early part of the Year announce your retirement on Christmas. A this came after losing a power struggle and also ties into the retirement of azuki could get suborn Yuka yukari. Is she no quit high school after ninth grade and to become a wrestler with the Sendai girls promotion and debuted at 15 and was a full-timer at 16. She left Sendai girls in 2015 and joining stardom is irregular in 2016. Our last match will start on B on January 26th in her home city of Osaka and should be promoting a retirement show of her own on to 24 in Osaka hazuki retired with her last match on 12:24 Kirk and Hall gets who was in charge of training all the women in hazuki was her best student and then became a most trusted Ally in a sense azuki because of that also had significant locker room power could gets his management style as compared to that of Bill wants that doesn't fly in today's world. She was finding people when they were late and taking away personal time management step in and once told her not to do that, but she continued to do the same thing. Most of the women came to management to protest could get to being in charge. I vote was held in could get see was voted out as the head trainer and locker room boss with her out of power both to get Sue and hazuki lost interest in the company hazuki decided. Tire basically feeling wrestling at Madison Square Garden in April was her goal and she achieved that that also explains could get to constantly bad-mouthing the new owners of the since the bushiroad purchase was announced which led to her announcing her retirement putting a positive spin on it by saying stardom is in good hands with my unit on in charge for the public against you said a retirement had nothing to do with uzuki and it has sookie's retirement. Maybe may have been due to more difficult times than Pleasant ones. So that's what Dave Meltzer reported in The Observer yesterday take everything you read with a grain of salt sports news, probably especially in there with the wrestling industry. I'm sure Dave as a trusted Source providing this information. I've written for newspapers and magazines in the past and have been provided excellent information and terrible information by trusted sources. Not sure we'll ever know the full truth. I'm sure it's until I guess until I start my Joshi shoot videos will never know the truth. I'm kidding of course sure. There's kid gets his truth. There's stardom is truth and there's probably the truth somewhere in the middle it gets who has announced on Twitter that she's mentioning some people she'd like to face before. She hangs it up. How does the Prime Minister versus the lady Destroyer hero you Matsumoto sound others left stardom and their emotions. So who's to say could gets you won't do the same. I think one thing we all need to remember that is wrestling's a job for them. It's not their lives and whatever could get Sue and hazuki choose to do next which is nothing but happiness, you know headline number to stardom entering a new kingdom my iwatani who was named stardom MVP at their awards ceremony earlier this week in the race a husky will face Julia and Hannah camera in a dark match on the first night of New Japan Pro. Wrestling's wrestle Kingdom event at the Tokyo Dome. This is a definitely a bushiroad directive to explode expose stardom to a larger audience and clearly a sign of the wrestlers. They plan on featuring The coming near if guess he wasn't returning my she be in the match knows. I find putting Julia and such a high profile match. So quickly is interesting and teaming her with Hannah who she just had a blood Feud with is interesting as well. I'd much prefer to see you Tommy your mama and the match or Tam the I think they've earned it but it is commercial for stardom. They've handpick their quote unquote favorites to show off their brand. I really hope they don't run into angles during the match as I don't think many people in crowd will know how to react and I don't want to see Julie or honolulu's either. So I'm not sure how they're gonna get out of this one a time limit draw would fall flat and it was probably too long for a pro a pre-show match. The reason is a dark match is that starting a new Japan have separate TV deals with rival networks? No word yet if it's going to be on Stardom rolled at this point headline number three quick hits around the Joshi World summary Natsu has opened an international online store for her good Ed's I'll put a link in the show notes. I think it's great. I think it's thinking outside of the box and thinking bigger and Natsu's always done that and she says awesome entrepreneur. She just had a very successful self-produced show. So yeah, I can't expect anything else from Natsu but but thinking wisely and thinking very much like a businesswoman don't underestimate Natsu. She's determined along with Natsu Keturah Jamie hater and Martina to keep a widow tile live also in the around the Joshi World ceilings in an eye Takahashi will have surgery and early 2020 in her return. Not certain she's a real respected veteran. She's got a lot of miles on her tires. So, you know, she's been around she's in her 40s. So she's been around for quite a bit and seeing somebody like a gets who retiring at 27 and seeing you know, something like nanai he's in her 40s and still performing at a really high level. But I I guess there's no guarantee that she's going to be back. So let's hope she gets enough Health back to if she wants to come back to the ring come back to the ring and if not just the fat live a healthy life after wrestling and finally on the notes this week and the headlines welcome to the got to move. Since got to move is announced they will have an on-demand service starting January first 2020 called the got to move experience our got to move X in their tweet. They said their vision is to give a full show experience on VOD. Don't fear. They're just going to continue to put content out on YouTube without many plans to put out less. I've been lucky enough to see shows that each akaya chocolate square and the rest is only about half the fun if they can somehow get the feeling of being at its acai across in video. We are in for a huge tree tonight. Shibuya the show review this week is the start of the year in Climax 2019 on December 24th. They drew great crowd of Thirteen hundred and thirty four fans. Looks like some foreign fans came in a little early before wrestle Kingdom and got to catch the big startup event looking back with hindsight in the match. They booked for the Tokyo Dome. You can see why they book the show the way Did not all the show's been released yet on Stardom World. I'll provide full results in comments on the matches. I have seen so far. It was a successful show. I think the Opening match was a dark match. It was a sigh eaten sigh a comet on E and itsuki. Whorish. Oshino defeated Queens Quest Hina Leo and sake and Reena you kind of had a figure that this I is and it's Sookie would get the win there. They have big plans for for those three. Photo book just recently came out for itsuki and Comet Tony. The first match on the main card was a widow ties. Jimmy hater Martinez summary Natsu. They defeated Tokyo. Cyber squads death Yama Saint jingle queuing in raqqa. Haven't seen this one yet hasn't come out. But real happy to see that. Oh a that I got a big win Jaime Martinez and not see we're going to try to keep things together. I was a bit disappointed to see jungle solo on the card. The next match was the artist to stardom titles the six woman titles. Zoomy Moma Watanabe. Tommy hayashida defeated stars sucking Kashima start like kid in tamna Cano Momo pin sake after the peach Sunrise. It was a good match. He fully expected Queens quest to hold onto the titles Starlight kids going to wait a little while longer before she gets that Championship run. The first of the big matches was the retirement match. We're not Sukkot Aura defeated hazuki. I haven't seen this match yet. It's being released today. Hazuki. Oh definitely left her mark on not zucco's face. You can check that out on social media. She left her footprint. Literally on not zucco's face. I did see some of the retirement ceremony was nice to see you know, manasa and Kuma being part of it may become was going to make a return soon. Hazuki's choice of words were quite interesting. It's a bit of a slippery slope when you use Google Translate to to do some little literal translations of Japanese. She did have the best things to say about stardom. Not sure if it was you he'll character out of character want to start was allowed it on their social media. So makes me think was a little bit in character as a he with oh a totai. The next big match was Julia and Hannah camera, which I feel You minute time limit draw. I think you kind of knew going in there wasn't going to be a definitive finish in this match. There's more story to come with those two. This is a fight. It's pretty much what I expected. They fought around. Korakuen Hall. Julie had a lot more support than I thought she would I'm of the opinion they could have waited for this match for a while and built it up and made it that much bigger match and I don't understand the tag team match these two have are they ate acting they're going to be at wrestle Kingdom going from blood Feud to teammates. I don't understand that, but maybe they'll surprise me. The next match was The Wonder of stardom title match Orissa husky defeated Kona me and I was hoping for a title change here but alas it was not meant to be they had a terrific match. I can't wait for them to give Kona me real big push. Oh, Tommy is going to be written as next Challenger on January 19 that Kirk and Hall we need to get Konami pushed. We need more belts for Konami bigger push for Konami. I think she's terrific. The main event was my you itani and could get Sue of only seen highlights of this match. I haven't seen the full match yet. It was released before the time. I started recording this but by all accounts it was an Matches, I think everybody expected. I didn't really seek a gets you winning the belt heading into 2020 and with their her retirement announcement. It's even more clear that where they kept the belt on my you I would have kept it on my you also and had her be the face of stardom and Tony 20 Mama wanted I did come out and challenge my unit to be heard next opponent for the title again, I real good show for can haul big crowd. Let's hope they can keep this momentum going into 2020. Hey guys, what's going on? My name is Steve. I'm the host of The Last podcast you'd want. Do you like movies? Well, that's what we talked about. I bring a guest on maybe more than one and we talked about movies. They like movies. They don't like movies from their childhood movies. They give him nightmares just some of the few topics that we talked about on the last podcast you'd want. So if you like movies, you can find us on Apple podcast. You can find us on Google+ cast. You can find us on most major podcast. Outlets tip the feel try the staff check out the show. Let's take a quick look at the shows this week in Japan on the 27th tonight Tokyo Joshi Pro. Is that the Gita boshy greenhalgh? It's their final tune up before the big card on January 4th, which will preview next week and happy birthday to you. Kakizaki. The 28th marvelous is the Oklahoma actress girls in Osaka and Ice ribbons at the ice ribbon Dojo on the 29th waves at critical haul. It's made even by takumi. Aroha defending her weight championship against Nagisa. No sake it's a Rojas six defense Pierre Jay has a show In Hana isshiki Diana's in Kanagawa and got some moves at ichigaya chocolate Square on the 30th got two moves right back at it. I think all these shows are sold out at a chick I which is amazing on the 30th also actress girls is in shin-kiba first ring on New Year's Eve ice ribbons at Kirkwood Hall at for ribbon Mania 2019. My he defends her title for the second time and then tequila saez retirement match. We're still faced 38 wrestlers in one minute matches got to move again, isn't it? It Shekinah chocolate Square on the 31st again. I think all these are sold out. If not make your ticket plans soon on the first got to move. Is that check? I had chocolate square waves and etching key before string in YMC is at the oh gee. Oh gee basement monstar, which is a great place to go. Watch a show. I keep spouting my love for the OG basement monstar on the second. Oz academies in Okinawa and stardom. Is that shin-kiba first, right? Be brave girls of wrestling present muscle queen and three on January 11th and London mockito will face session moth Martina and you Kazakh sake will face the winner of the match between Nightshade and Lana Austin, they'll face each other. He's Battle Cry even on January fourth ticket information will be on the show notes for both shows. If you're in the area go check him out Sumi Sakai returns in Southern, California on January 10th at You Ultra anniversary show. She'll be defending her Ultra Women's Championship against true be raised again. I'll put a link for the tickets and and then show on the show notes and Tokyo Joshi Pro WrestleMania weekend Friday April 3rd at Russell con still waiting on for it on sale date for tickets. I reached out to wrestle Khan and have not heard back yet to it as to win. Those will go first on sale. Hey guys, this is Zoe sky and you're listening to the Joshi pod before I get into the big Main Event interview with Alex grassy. 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I'm super excited to see her rustled live for the first time next month on January 18th, and One for the crash and about a year ago. She made a trip over to Japan to tour with stardom. This is where I like to bring onto the show The Pink Dream Alex Gracia. How you doing Alex? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing very well. Thank you. So my pleasure. So it's been about a year that you you went over to Japan. Yes. It is. So crazy. I was talking about that the other day because I left New Year's Eve last year. So I spent New Year's. New Year's like in the plane heading to Japan so it's so crazy that I was getting ready to leave a year ago at this time. So how did you find it or what connection did you have to get over to stardom in Japan? They just reached out to me one day and I honestly thought it was spam because I was like there is no way they're reaching out to me right now because I had only about five months wrestling experience like from my debut. And they emailed me and they said that they were interested in bringing me over for a tour the beginning of the following year and I was just kind of like hmm. This doesn't sound right. I don't believe like this is actually happening but then like their official Twitter account followed me on Twitter and they like started following me on things like food. Maybe this is happening. So then I like replied back and I was like, oh, yes, I'm there. I'm a hundred percent in so who is Dale wasn't? Cheerleader Melissa was somebody else who reached out to you. Yes, so it was sunny. So I know he works over there in Japan a lot with the international girls. Good good good. So was going to Japan a dream of yours when you before you started wrestling it honestly was something that just seems so Out Of Reach like at the time like when I started wrestling I was just trying to get through like the the next match just because I'm just like taking things day by day and it's like you have all these dreams and all these goals and just knowing like how amazing the wrestling is over there. Like I just it literally wasn't even in my thinking process because it just didn't seem like anything that was going to happen anytime soon. So I am super thankful that I was able to go as soon as I went. So you land on New Year's who greets you Airport Rossi Rossi himself was he wearing a really cool suit or anything like that? Oh, yeah yours is like trench coat with his hat. So he picked me up and then we took our ride back to the apartment and everything. So it was it was really cool. We had our little one-on-one time together as soon as I got there. I was that wasn't awkward at all or is it kind of comfortable or how was it Ross? He's the best. He's so funny. His English is good enough or he can speak pretty clear with you. Yes, he could speak English escaping all of us. Yes, I believe so. I really think so. I've talked to him like three or four times in Japan. He kind of like acted like he didn't know what I was saying to him. What a jerk. So who are your roommates at the apartment? Well, my tour I was there with Bobby Tyler Jamie hater be Priestly and Viper and Sadie Gibbs. So you had a pretty good group of foreigners with you there. I had a great group. I loved every single one of them. I was the only American so that was kind of an adjustment for me too. I was like, this is different bunch of British girls, I guess right? Yeah. I was like the Oddball out. I was like This has never happened to me before but also, I mean that's some pretty experienced women you're living with as well who have been in the industry for a bit. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it was it was amazing. So have you traveled internationally anywhere before you went to this this trip to Japan for wrestling? No. I hadn't like I had taken vacations and stuff like with my family but for wrestling internationally. No, that was my first place. So was there any like culture shock when you out there when you first started walking down the street or going to stores or what have you? Oh, there's so much culture shock just it is so clean over there. Just clean and organized and everybody's just so well behaved like I was like, this is like so different than a lot of places in America. I feel like I mean even like the the trash room in the apartment like everything was like squeaky clean and like everything was separated like glass and plastic and paper and I was like, whoa Like they have like a trash cans outside. Yes, and you know, you're just like getting anxiety like what we're doing. Did is it clear as a colored glass? What is this? So I'm guessing when you and Viper and be Priestly and Jamie hate her walking down the street you guys draw some attention, don't you? Yeah, I think you definitely. It will definitely know like oh, they're probably wrestlers because I mean I have pink hair and then like Bobby had green hair and like it's like where we stand out. We definitely stand out. They think foreigners are crazy and we kind of are yeah, I know even if we aren't crazy, it's crazy to them. Yeah. We look a little crazy at least So I asked everybody about this tell me about your convenience stores experiences in Japan. So, I mean we walk there probably every single day multiple times a day just because that's like they have everything there. But so something I became obsessed with there was you know, how you can go to like a convenience store in like get ice cream. So there was sweet potato ice cream and every single day I would like I like mmm. Hmm. Should I get it? And then as soon as I got it, I was getting it every single day. And then I think it was like Sadie got hooked on like the sweet potato ice cream to like it was so good. Like I became obsessed. So was it kind of like a sorority house where you guys lived at together you had fun and parties and all kinds of good stuff. Oh, I mean like it was just the Time of Our Lives. It's like going to summer camp and meeting your best friends and we just did everything together and like we're all trying to figure this out on our own I mean Most of the girls had already had a tour there before but it was Bobby and Sadie and mine first torso. I mean, it's just going on this like experience and this big adventure and just doing it together. So it was awesome. It kind of you kind of have a tie together down between the group of you, right? Oh, yeah. I feel like I made like friends for life. Like we still keep in contact even with the time changes. I know like even from UK to us. The time change is huge. But um, When we we all went to New York like for Mania week and everything and so we all got to like catch up there and I've like ran into like Sadie recently because of like aw stuff. So it's just it's just been amazing and just like getting the ketchup. It's like you never you never liked left each other. That's awesome. Okay, so you're living in the house talked about the dojo experience you did you have to go through the whole Dojo trainings and things like that. Yes, we had Dojo every week and that was just awesome to like I'm I love training. Like I'm like that person that it's like oh she's weird. Like I'm like, I love school like I love training. So that one thing I'm going to hang up this cause I don't like you anymore. That was like one of my like that was just so awesome. Like it teaches you so much and it makes you have to like grow in wrestling so fast because I mean getting going to train with the girls that they have in stardom for wine, but then to a lot of them don't speak English. So you're just getting pushed to like your limits and I think I agree more in those two months. I was there probably than like all the time. I had spent like before like the five six months or whatever. So I mean like getting to go back. I'm just like, okay, I would like know what to expect and Yeah, it's just like some of the best things you can do for yourself as far as wrestling. I believe who was running the trading's when you were there. Could get Sue mostly and then like my you was there but she was hurt at the time but they were like the two leaders for sure. So talking being I don't know if you heard or not could get to announce your retirement. I know what what what tell me a little about could get sued. Give me some love for could get Sue. I mean, she's just everything that you would want in a leader. I believe like she would do stuff just so flawlessly and like when you watch her she's just like so captivating that you're just like oh my gosh and just the way she's able to like be kind and patient with you like while you are learning like I think that is everything like you want in a leader, but she'll also like push you to your limit to where you feel like you can't do something or you can't go anymore and like you find out that you can and it's like because of her she's just so sweet and so motivating we were very lucky that or I was very lucky to have her while we Were there that's great to hear 26:27 retiring 27 is awfully young to retire. I know it's crazy over there, but they start so young. I think she started when she was 15 or 16. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so there's not like a million Hindu squats or anything like that. You have to do it at the dojo training. I mean, it depends on the day. It definitely depends on the day different like different days would be different for training. So it might be like hard core conditioning or might be like working with your factions on like different stuff for show. So I mean it just varied. How did your dropkick improve while you were there? People always told me there dropkick and proves. Oh, yeah. I had so many dropkick drills, but like I came back with like a stellar dropkick, so I was like almost like to where they're like, okay, calm down Alex. So how long were you there before Jack? You actually had your first match. a day So do we pretty jet-lagged going into the match? I was so jet-lagged and I was terrified because I think it was January 2nd what the first show and I was the first match. So I'm there in a different country be just totally new to everyone and everything because like most of even like the foreign girls like they all knew each other because they're from like the same country and like I'm just By myself. I had no one to watch go on before me like I'm just like what I'm first. Okay, just throw me a ride in so your first met was at shin-kiba first ring. What do you think about shin-kiba? Oh, it was so cool. It was just so cool. I mean just I mean just even getting to be like in a starter ring. Like it just didn't even hit me like that. Everything was even happening because like I said, I mean we land in Japan Anne and you're already like doing a show and then it was like after all that you finally get to like be like whoa, I just I actually just did a match there like it's everything was just surreal. Like I feel like it didn't matter like where we were over there everything like made me so emotional but I think it's kind of cool though should keep is like a building just for wrestling only. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a it's a really cool set up. It's very intimate to it's pretty it's pretty nice. Yeah, so it like it's packed and so it's just I love seeing like looking around and just seeing like people everywhere. How did fans take to hear from from the get-go? I think I mean, I think they took pretty well. Like I I got like pink streamers and Roses. Oh you got screams right away or to take a look like first match. Yeah, even Sunny came up to me and he's like, did you give streamers? I was like yeah pink ones. So you wrestled atsuko Torah and carry only Jama ATS a pretty good first match to have. Oh, yeah again, it's like I was terrified. So the next thing you have a battle royal and then later on you have a match with sake Kashima and Tam against Azumi Konami and Momo. Yes, talk about wrestling against izumi-kun Ami and Momo the I think there. Just wonderful. Oh, they are and like that was one of my one of the matches that was one of my favorites like while I was over there. I think just because like just like my team and like my faction. I'm just like yeah stars. Like I was just so happy and like it just did it again. You're just like letting it all sink in and then like getting to wrestle with who you're wrestling with and wrestling who you're wrestling against like, Again, it's like it's been a year and I'm still like did that really happen? Like that's freaking awesome. But how good are they? How good is Konami? How good is Momo everyone is as good as what you hear? And you being so new to the industry as mellow as well. I mean, it's must have been mind-blowing almost right? Yeah, no definitely and it it just it's just such an honor like getting to wrestle like in the same ring as some of those girls and her all those girls. And yeah, I was just so new. I just had no idea what I was doing like doing best out there. So with the language barrier And I want to give him a trade secrets away or anything like that. But how do they how do they walk you through the match? I mean I feel like wrestling is a universal language to all wrestlers and when you are like a wrestler and and all that like I feel like every that's when you finally like cannot you understand everybody and I think that's like what's so special about it is like even if we didn't speak the same language like we all understood like what we'd met or what we were trying to do. And so like that was really cool and that was made wrestling even more special to me, honestly. That's great. And then you had a Stars versus Stars matches. Well where you're against ariccia Hoshi who's one of the top wrestlers right now over in stardom? Yes. She was kind of just coming back not too long. After that. I think she just came back from from her Hiatus, I guess. Yeah, how was she would work with? I mean everyone was great like everyone's amazing and they just want to teach you and you just learn so much from them and she's like the sweetest human being like ever like she has the sweetest smile. You just wonder if but she's she's a killer though to you know, she gave me like after the match. She brought me this little present and it was like this little whistle. It was like a little key chain and she told me she was just like present for you because You bring happiness and I was like, I might start crying right now. Because that is the sweetest thing ever and then she kicked your head off right now. Yeah. I don't think it was mine. It was someone else's because I remember how out of it whoever got kicked was your lucky. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad I was not me somebody else. That's a big people are big fans of a Starlight kid. You work through her quite a bit. She seems like a sweet heart as well. Yeah. She I mean she's just freaking athletic and just even for her age and how long she's done it. It's like whoa. It's mind-blowing. Yeah, she's getting real good hurt. Her body is maturing me. She's becoming a woman her body is maturing as well. And she's getting better and better and better. Hmm. She also she already is amazing. So it's it's going to be really exciting to see like how much she grows like in in the future. So you had some of the big matches, you know, you wrestled against somebody always I want I always ask everybody about I have to ask you about she's different than anybody else summary Natsu tell me about wrestling summary Natsu. It's like a gay like everything is just like your I was so terrified going to every single map because I'm just like, oh my gosh, but it's like it makes you grow so much because you're like I'm about this is who I'm about to get in the ring with like. Okay, and so like once you're there and like you're in it like everything 18? I don't know. It's just like I can't every single girl. There is just amazing. She's more of Comedy wrestler than she is in ring mean. She's good at what she does but she's yeah. So how was it to wrestle like a comedy magic over in Japan? Yeah. I mean it's it's interesting. Like I remember that match like I think it was with sake and she kept telling me to like say these words like I'm like, I really like cuss a lot. Are you like Ogre language and like sakis just telling me to say these words and I'm like screaming them and they're like all these like derogatory words over there. And so everyone's like laughing I was like, oh they like this. I'm like, that's cool. No, she is just like she's a Who She seems like fun. I mean by white Watcher interviews with the English subtitles and stuff. She just seems like such a character. Yeah. Yeah. She's a firecracker. Okay. So another place I want to ask you about is the KBS Hall in Kyoto with a big stain glass windows behind you is that's you wrestle do Tommy. They're correct. Yes for in a title match title match. Yes. So it was Tommy's I mean we're going to sound like a broken. Record, she's pretty amazing as well. What was it like to challenge for a championship in a building like that? Okay. So first of all when I heard about that match I found out on Twitter. So I was like is this is this real like I had no idea I was gonna wrestle then all of a sudden it said it was like, um, I was going to be wrestling her for a title match and then on top of it like there I was like, oh, okay. Okay like this in I remember like telling someone their I was like, you can't just give put that information on Twitter. Like I need time to like let it sink in. Stephen it was like a few days before something like that. But um that is like one of the most beautiful places I've ever been to in my life. Like when I show my parents like pictures from matches, like I show them there and I was like just imagine like standing in that ring and like looking up like the um, the wall just goes so high and you just feel like so small and I think that's like another one of those moments where You just like wow, I'm here. Like I'm here in this is happening. And yeah to have like that type of atmosphere and just all that like beautiful art was just so surreal. I've been Japan a few times. I've not gone there yet. So it's on my bucket list to go tomorrow. You have to like it you it's like breathtaking. So traveling in Japan for you go from location to location. How do you how did was it an in the bus? How did you guys get around? Yeah, we have a starting van. So that's how we got to most places. How are those rides was kind of team building was already falling asleep in the bus. You're mostly sleeping because they might be like six hours or or however long but um, yeah, it's definitely like we're we're all just like talking and I think all of us, they're just got along so well, so it was like it was cool. We're either doing our own thing or we're all talking or whatever, but they are so fun. Which of the Japanese women did you you become closest with you think? Sake probably most definitely like we'll still message each other. Like she's like I miss you come back and I'm like I miss you too will just randomly like send each other Hearts like she she's the cutest. I love her so much. I'm like, we were the Pink Dream Team. So I'm like bring it back. Bring bring her over here to let her come wrestle over here for you. I'm like you need to bring her back. I was like, I don't have a tag partner. That'd be cool be a tag with her. So you guys team together at Kirk and Hall versus Bobby Tyler and Hannah camera. Yes, Hannah's another super-duper star in the making. How was she to work within your How is she? Yeah, I honestly like in my opinion I think was one of the best matches I had while I was in Japan. I think just I felt like a lot more comfortable with like sake being there for me and that match just was fun. And I felt like everyone just brought their a game and like to be where we were I was like, oh, this is great. This is so great. I mean that they're just like, oh they were really fun team and then sake and I had just started like being a team and so I think that was just like a really cool match to have and to fun teams. I think to what do you think makes Hannah stand out a little bit from from some of the other woman over there? Why do you think she's getting the what he thinks she's so popular. I don't really like just her vibe and her energy like that girl has so much Charisma. Like she's just one of those people to that just draws you in and like she's so fun to watch and I feel like she's super confident and people love to to see confidence and she's just so fun and like she brings it every single time and she loves what she does and that reflects on how she performs and so I think people get drawn to that. So your first match was against not Sukkot Aura in your last match. I think was also against not Sukkot Aura. Yeah, it was a fatal four-way with Jamie and Sue music. I was in the match as well. Yes. So you knew this is your last match. What do you think it is you go ahead into your last match in Osaka. I just told myself I was like I notice a difference where it's like I'm going into this match like more confident than I have this entire trip and Even like afterwards like just even like the girls room like stardom. They're just saying like how much like I improved in the like that that is honestly like more than I could have asked for that's that's all you want. It's like I just want to be able to like grow in like be the best player that I can and so having a fatal four-way with with all those women like I think was super cool because again, it's like someone from my first match and then someone that I hadn't Wrestled the entire trip and then you have Jamie who's another like International girl who is one of the top and the game I believe and so I was like, okay like this is this is freaking cool. Like this is being like in this matches of privilege. I felt like That's awesome. So you were about two months in Japan. What do you what do you think you take away the most from your trip to Japan? I don't know. I think probably just I don't know. I just I was just so humbled afterwards because I know. How much like some other wrestlers and stuff try to get over there or they might not have the opportunity to go Russell for stardom and like stardom just again seemed like such a dream that was like so far Out Of Reach and Beyond privilege for being being able to go there like when I got to and I think that everyone was just so amazing. They're like knowing that it's like I didn't have I mean Celebrated my one-year anniversary in Japan like not a lot of people can get to say that and not a lot of people can even say that they've gotten to go wrestle in Japan. And so nothing that I did over there was taken for granted. I like try to work my butt off as much as I could take in as much as I could. I have kept good relationships with all the girls and I mean it just it still doesn't doesn't seem real and to be able able to say that like I've like gone they're like even saying it out loud like it's like I haven't even hit my like because the end of February will be like my two year anniversary and so like to say I've already been able to go to stardom like who gets to say that you know, You should be at your very thankful. That's awesome that you're very thankful for all for what you've gotten so far what you've learned so far. I'll say what you've earned. Thank you. So what did you take in ring from Japan that you brought back in ring to the United States definitely confidence and aggressiveness. I mean just even like my demeanor and the ring like I just felt like you know, what like I did this in another country with other girls. Who didn't speak the same language and who played the game a lot harder than what I had probably come from and so like when I came back, it was just like I can do this. And so it's like even I always know my level and coming back. It was just like I just my confidence like skyrocketed like I just felt like okay, like I know I can do this or I know that I still have things to work on and I know that I'm Going to be constantly learning and I'm always need to get better. We always all of us need to get better all the time, but I just felt so much more confident in myself. And I think that helped me so much Arnie Japan trips planned in the future at all yet. We are trying we are too. I know there's like a bunch of changes right now because of like the new ownership and all that. So the girls will like message me all the time. So we're working on some stuff but I have some like other countries lined up in the future, of course like you, you know, like with the crash so those will be like cool experiences. Also. Yeah. I've been to korakuen Hall. I've been to the auditorium in Tijuana, they're very different but they're there but they're both so much fun. You're going to have a blast down there. Oh, I'm so excited like this. This is Mexico with one of my goals for this year. So when they when the crash finally contacted me and then told me it was going to be in January. I was like, yes, do you speak Spanish? Not really. I'm gonna say how well they'll teach you some bad words to say that the ground down there if you want. Oh, I'm sure that's a Spanish. You know, huh? Yeah, that's a Spanish. We all know exactly. Alex where can we find you on social media on Twitter and Instagram? You can find me at Alex Gracia 3 everything's the same across the board. So I try to stay up with all those and communicate with everyone and be active on there as much as possible. And you also have merchandise at Alex gracias Big Cartel.com. Yes, it have a new t-shirt everybody her purse. Her calendars are sold out. You can still buy our t-shirts. Yes. I know the calendars. I feel so bad. People have been messaging me and I'm like Oh my heart sir, Prince some more do a second run. Yeah, great. All right. I want to thank you so much for joining the show. I sincerely appreciate it, and I'll see you next month in Tijuana. Awesome. Well, thank you. Can't wait to meet you. All right. Thank you so much. Take care. Thank you.

Stardom’s Alex Gracia, "The Pink Dream," joins the show this week to share her experiences while working for Stardom in 2019. She shares her opinions on the recent retirement Kagetsu. Gracia speaks openly about Kagetsu's style of training at the Stardom dojo. She goes into what she did day-to-day while working in Japan for two months. Alex also shares her opinion on Stardom favorites like Hana Kimura, Arisa Hoshiki, Natsuko Tora, Saki Kashima, Starlight Kid and more. Also on the show: We look at the 3-count headlines of the week, including another Stardom retirement. The Joshi show of the week is the December 24th Stardom Year-End Climax 2019. We look ahead to the calendar for shows this week in Japan. We also see where Joshi wrestlers are performing outside of Japan. Joshi Pro Wrestling Tee’s Stores (From January 1-5 use promo code NEWYEAR to save 20%): Nicole Savoy Kikyo Gatoh Move Tokyo Joshi Pro Hiroyo Matsumoto Aja Kong Riho Hikaru Shida For tickets: See Maki Itoh and Yuka Sakazaki at WrestleQueendom 3 See Sumi Sakai PCW Ultra Our Sponsors This Week: QuietWyatt Designs The Last Podcast You’d Want Social Media: Alex Gracia: Twitter Instagram Merchandise Friends of the Show: No Particular Angle Podcast Joshi Results on Twitter DDT English Update on Twitter Joshi Show Schedule The Joshi Pod: Twitter Facebook Instagram Pro Wrestling Tees Music by: Yume O Yume (Dream your Dream) by reiswerk (c) copyright 2016 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license.

Hi everyone, and welcome to episode number five of curiously enough today. We have a special guest someone that's a good friend of mine. So I'm very excited for you to hear our conversation. Fun fact, we recorded this before I named the podcast and came out with the name of the book to which of the same curiously enough. So keep that in mind as you listen, it's a really fascinating when we get to talk about the importance and the magic of curiosity. Don't forget to share and subscribe yourIt means so much to us. So does your feedback so continue to give it helps us know what this podcast needs to grow into. Thanks again for being here and enjoy this week's episode of curiously enough today. It is my pleasure to introduce a good friend of mine Megan more. Our Megan is a licensed professional counselor speaker and coach in the greater Nashville area Megan works with her clients to delve into the details of their stories and uncover and gain healing from the obstacles that may be inhibiting them from experiencing life fully Megan's Focus comes from a wellness perspective as she desires to promote physical mental emotional social and spiritual well-being growing up Megan was never entirely sure where she belonged she began to convince herself that performance would bring her. Love and belonging that she desired. She worked hard to excel academically, athletically socially and in her career Megan explains her story as if it was climbing a ladder that kept growing the more she achieved the higher she needed to climb Megan began to become haunted by the enough's regardless of what she accomplished never felt good enough than enough smart enough talented enough through Megan's commitment and dedication of working on herself. She began to experience freedom and wholeness Megan's hope for our clients is for them to learn to be themselves. Free from judgment and relationships work and life Megan has a Bachelor's of accounting and marketing from University of Kentucky. And she also has a master's in kinesiology and health. Most recently Megan received her Masters in clinical and mental health counseling from Tribeca University in Nashville, Tennessee. If you would like to know more about Megan and the work, she's doing make sure to check out her website Megan - more.com or follow her on Instagram at Megan Moyer. Welcome Megan. Hey Grayson, so great time on your show. Thanks for having me. Of course. Thanks for being here. I'm very excited. The one thing I know about your story and you can expand on this because it's yours not mine. That is the experience with performance and Perfection and you've described it as becoming more whole and having more presents. Can you touch on that a little bit? Yeah, so I grew up in a really sport heavy family. That was really what we did. And and you know, honestly, I'm grateful for that experience and grateful that I was exposed to that. So I grew up just with this competitive nature and even you know growing up just was in really competitive schools in terms of academically and athletically and those kind of things so really just Try to excel it, whatever I was doing and you know, it wasn't I think I always had this faint knowledge or kind of this this inner voice. That was really really quite like I haven't quite learned how to listen to it yet, but wondered what I actually like to do I knew that I didn't necessarily like the things that I was doing or if I did like them. I didn't like the pressure that I put on myself to always have to be the best. I really didn't honestly know how to be how to have fun. And I had a lot of fun doing things or what seemed like fun, but it really like I used to tell people especially when it's in college. I was like, yeah, I wake up its 6:00 a.m. To you know, 5 p.m. I do my day job which included, you know, putting on this mask and being whoever I thought everybody wanted me to be. So in college that was you know, again at the top of my class and the top, you know golfer on my team and I was the team captain and I was president of all the clubs and I was just doing I mean burning the Every end and then, you know when the day when I was done performing for the day and done achieving then I would you know go out and use substances or use some other addictive behaviors to really like decompress and that's what I tell people now. I'm like well, yeah when you're performing all the time if you really do need several years and so I look at my story and it's like spent so much time trying to be whomever. I thought everybody else wanted me to be and really what that's about. About is me not feeling okay with who I am. Like it really doesn't have anything to do with anybody else necessarily because I do know that people love me whether I knew it at the time and would have been okay had I stopped doing all these performing things, but it was something within me that couldn't stop and so, you know living life like that and being Just terrified honestly to fail or for people to see any parts of my Humanity like anything that made me human. I tried to cover up and and some of the things I genuinely liked doing. It wasn't necessarily like I was constantly doing things I didn't like to do but at the same time I did have an awareness that man like there's got to be something more to life. Like I constantly felt like an imposter, you know, like the chameleon just I'll just change my Colors, wherever I needed to go to be whoever I needed to be and you know, I have this this really I guess marking moment in my life when I was in Arizona at at treatment getting some treatment for some trauma and substance use what I was dealing with the therapist at the time asked me to make a collage and she told me, you know, put the things draw two circles and on the inner circle. I want you to put things that are true about who you are on the inside and on the Outer Circle. I want you to put So true about what the world sees and I really I mean it sounds dramatic, but I really have this identity crisis. Oh my gosh, like what's true? I don't know that much about which to about me on the inside and you know, here's all these things that the outside sees but I actually don't know how much of those are true for me either and I actually ended up having to admit to myself into some other people like I don't even know that I really like sport or I don't even know, you know some things that I've been doing my whole life really admitting like I don't Don't know if these are me or if this is just who I've become out of my performance and just even looking at the job that I take in on my decision to move overseas or some other things. Like there was some genuineness in that in some longing and desire to try to find myself but along with that was a lot of looking to things outside of me to figure out who to be because when I look inside there wasn't a whole lot there. Yeah, I gosh there was so much in that the one thing that stuck out. and that has become clear to me in recent times is the difference between an accomplishment and a transformation and I used to you know, we just talked and you were saying achievements and you know achievements or accomplishments for me are external and Transformations are internal and I think I was getting them kind of mixed up and I think many of us do our were more concerned with the external which is exactly kind of what you just said and just understanding the difference and what they do what need do they fill? How do they make you or me feel I think is kind of part of your story as far as getting Clarity on why do I want that external achievement? What does it mean as an internal transformation? Like what is the difference differentiating which is exactly what you said even with the breaking the beliefs about yourself, which I think is predominantly A lot of us are going through now specifically I would say in the younger 2030s age but it doesn't discriminate shame doesn't discriminate but as far as the world's beliefs about us and how many of our beliefs about us are the world and how many are our own and I think you're someone that I know is able to distinguish and differentiate those two as well. And so it's neat to hear. Are you highlight those and it's just important to talk about I think even from my experience and there's another thing that you've talked about with me and I know you shared with your platform this Paradox of healing which I kind of heard it a little bit in that and I would love to hear you talk about more as as far as like the either or mindset or so you talk about surrender. And taking responsibility not having to be like all in for one part of healing. Yeah, I think oh first of all, I love what you were saying in terms of accomplishments accomplishments versus Transformations because I think sometimes we can be transformed through our accomplishments but oftentimes, it's really not not about that when I think about the most transformative things that have happened in my life. It's actually been the little things are what I would call the The little things you know, I can think of one Boss week. Like I try to do something every quarter so part of that collage that I made and part of the crisis I had with I don't really know what's on the inside while I kind of swim around in my own self-pity about that for a while eventually. I was like, okay. What can I actually do about this? If I don't know who I am then what can I do? And so I kind of you know, every quarter every couple of months. I tried something new to decide if I like it or not. So, you know, I think about transformative experiences and how much transformation will come through that simple practice, whether it's makeup process or Pottery or improv or CrossFit or writing program, like trying all these different things and even just last week. I what I'm doing for this kind of season of life. I'm taking a 10-week water painting class and I walked in and last week and I show up there and everybody was just I thought it was a beginner's class and everybody was just way more. Dance to me and I immediately was just like Frozen in my own shame and kind of having this messages is like see you shouldn't have done this or you know, why do you show up here now? It's uncomfortable all this stuff and my body wanted to run and the other part of me was saying, you know, just stay like hey we can do this. The goal is just show up here. Try something new see what you can learn from this and so you don't end up staying in the class and you know, it was just Delighted in by people and the teacher was so helpful. And so kind and I was really honest about like I've no experience here. Like I'm just here to try something new and grow from it. So I don't know just thinking about those moments and how transformational those have been versus you know, what might be on my resume of you know, I graduated top 10 in my class in my accounting class or I want this fancy award in Slough, you know to speak in front of all these SEC athletic Or I work at this Fortune 500 companies like those are not necessarily the things that I talked about. It's these little moments where I chose to say. Yes to something that just scared the crap out of me. So I'm really glad you bring that up. Yeah. No, I'm glad too that you reaffirmed what I didn't say, but I think you knew what I was saying that accomplishing is okay. It's just when we count on it to make us feel good about ourselves and I think too. To something that you were just saying was like with your your quarterly Adventures you need a name for it, by the way because I tell people that yeah, like Megan's monthly thing that she does. I don't know what to call it, but it's so yeah, you're trying new things. You're learning more about yourself and You're Having the courage to be like, I don't know how to do this, but I'm super pumped to be here. And I really I love that you do that and but doing those things you're accomplishing by not being a pro. Or the master being the best at it but being accountable to yourself and following through with that intention of I'm going to try something and I believe in myself and I'm going to have fun because I'm allowed to do that today. You know, does that make sense? Right? Yeah, and I mean that goes right into your question about healing because you know, I think a lot of times we have this misconception in our culture that if we're going to be courageous or if we're going to be brave, but that doesn't mean that there's like their house but being courageous or being brave is the absence of fear. Here and I would say quite the opposite. I mean everything that I've done that I feel like has been crazy as has had so much fear in it, whether that's getting on a plane and flying across the world to a country that I've never been to by myself and getting off the plane and being like, you know, I showed up in Uganda and was like, I hope somebody's here to pick me up at the airport, you know, and if they're not I mean, I guess I'll figure it out or look at that was I mean when I went skydiving there was it's Brave and courageous about of a claim but I You know, I thought I was going to have a panic attack on the way up. And so I think a lot of times what I see with my clients or people that I work with and myself is waiting for this timing where I don't feel fear to step into something that I want and I just have not found that to be true because I think ultimately anything we want requires a greater like requires a great amount of risk and I would say the same is true with whether it's not healing or some of the people I work with very healing, you know, I tell people when they come into my office Office I'm like you are like thank you for being brave enough to come here because the reality is it's so many people in the world are suffering a need help and you're willing to do something different about it. And that's Brave, you know, because the first thing people normally say is like, yeah, I never thought I'd end up here, you know, whether that's in my therapy office or with some professional athletes. I work with nobody there still is the shame around picking out your own healing, which is just baffling to me and so sad but also I experienced it on my own and there's someone who sought help and continues to seek my own health this shame of like I can't believe I need help and nowadays this immense gratitude for and I'm so grateful that I'm willing to step into my fear and ask for help, you know, so I look at what you're even saying I come back to that a lot of healing really is this process that's right there and taking responsibility and I see that with people that I work with and I've also seen that in my own Journey, you know, there's been so many times that I really stepped on our with of like gosh. I hope this works out I need help. So I think that's a surrender part, you know, essentially I had had some behaviors that just kept happening kept happening kept happening in my life and I would go to go to therapy and I'd say, you know, I can't believe I did this and one time I actually said it again. Yeah, I was there again and said I see this happen and I can't believe I did this and I don't know what to But I wasn't really expecting somebody to give me an answer, you know, it's a lot easier to stay in our victim mindset and our helplessness helplessness about it, and the ferret has ever actually looked at me and said, you know, you've got problems with alcoholic you actually you need to go to treatment you need more help and I at the time, you know had some Choice words for him and basically told him that you know shut up and don't talk to me anymore. But what do you did was invite me into a solution? Lucien for my problem and I didn't really want a solution I think deep down inside of me. I wanted some help I wanted a solution but I didn't I also didn't because I like to some degree being miserable which I think if any of us are honest with ourselves, we have to admit that to some degree. We like the invisible. Otherwise, we would change certain behaviors. And so I said that I wasn't, you know, I told this person I'm not going with treatment and I don't care you say, do you know who I am. Have you seen my resume? Look how successful I am, you know. people like me don't go to treatment essentially is what I thought which is just so much ego but really you've been behind that was just so much fear about what would people say, what would this mean for me is how is this going to look and what this person finds out or what if that person finds out which again is that achievement and that performance and kind of wearing a mask and trying to make things look good on the outside, you know, like I was very crafty about hiding a lot of the things I was doing you know it to the point where Where we go out to dinner with my friends and we'd all say good night. Goodbye and go back to our separate houses. And then I'd go out with a different group of friends and make sure none of it ended up online and you know, so just really all this image management. But anyway back to the healing, you know, really what ultimately happened it wasn't another bad night out or that is it, you know, it was this person invited me and do something different and me saying no, but then him having a boundary of like, you know certain things. And I remember walking into this hotel room. I was on a golf trip and I walked to his hotel room and I was in my own room and it was the first time I'd really truly been alone in a while and I just felt this sound indigenous and I thought to myself like, you know, why if you don't do something different right now in 5 years 10 years 20 years if you're still alive, it's going to be the exact same or it's going to be worse. You know, the only thing that's going to be different about that is you might have a husband or you might have kids that are also now in this mess. And it was really that moment that I was like, I don't want that like I don't know if there's any hope for me. I don't know if there's any hope for my situation, but I know that if I don't do anything different than it's been is really going to only continue to get worse. And so that's what I what I mean in that process of surrender of like this isn't working and I don't think I can fix it. I need more help. I need something. You know, I don't the same way of thinking that got me to where I was was not going to help you get out of it. And so this R2 for me God I was like God help me but I think we always a lot of us use that prayers sake help me but then the help was right there, you know, the person told me to go to treatment and sometimes we'll say help me but they're not take the help that's right in front of us. And so for me, it was a surrender of like I need something this isn't working and I'm desperate and God you got to do something. And then for the taking responsibility part, it was me. I became willing to do whatever it took even though there was a lot lot of reluctance and I don't know if I would was the most Pleasant client or the most pleasant person to be around the time, but I was willing to take the action and then listen to what people told me to do along the way and do what they say and Trust in something bigger than me, which is God. Yeah. There's there's something about when what you first mentioned was seeking out healing and how that is kind of this. Like we talked about in recovery how the phone is heavy and like we're supposed to you know call people in recovery, but the phone is so heavy and that's like I don't know the analogy for seeking out healing but there's something about it that it just feels really hard to do especially in the beginning like that. First step of like I'm like something is not right with how I'm living and so I think it is the more we talk about it. The more people are willing to offer their Worry, there's vulnerability becomes easier when we're not the first one that's doing it in a sense. I know you for this but to hear on here you talked about this just in general but the to hear it hear you saying it so often I love it do something different and I know that's like your staple and it's so cool to hear it intertwined now with your story and just your experience, but it's so true and sometimes it's really that simple of like If it's not working, then there's a reason and why not change it like you said it I can't fix this problem with the mind that created it kind of deal. So I love that and as far as the surrender and responsibility, I think they do they work in Tandem and obviously your story shines a light on that. There's there's a acceptance when we surrender that it's not going to be easy, but we're willing to go through it and we're willing to ask for help and then the responsibility is It's mine first before it's anybody else's kind of deal. But I'm yeah, yes with the like that either or mindset. How does that show up? Because you have some really neat examples of this. How does this show up in your day-to-day life as far as like spirituality or in the therapy healing world or even with like the should mindset? I think we go back to the either or instead of both and we'll be right back after this quick announcement. aunt Hey guys. Have you ever thought about starting your own podcast when I was trying to get this podcast off the ground? I had a lot of questions. How do I record an episode? How do I get my show on Apple podcasts Spotify and all the other places people like to listen and how do I make money from my podcast the answers to every one of these questions is really simple. Anchor anchor is a One-Stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast. Best of all, it's a hundred percent free and Do callously easy to use and now anchor can match you with great sponsors to so you can get paid to podcast. I don't use any other program. It's simple it's easy. It's manageable. I'm really grateful for anchor. So if you've always wanted to start a podcast make money doing it go to Anchor dot f m / start to join me and the diverse community of podcasters already using anchor that's anchored on FM / start. I can't wait to hear your podcast. Yeah, I think it's so easy to forget that we have options and I think that's really what that either or mindset is really all about. It's like either I go to the gym for the full hour or I don't go at all right and it's like well, I think there's probably more options in that like, how about and this is a real practical example for me to take even this morning? I had some stuff I needed to do and so it was really like do I want to go, you know move my body or do I die and then I even have the self It's like about like do you go I don't go at all. But what about going 15 minutes late to this class? It's still getting them the rest of the 45 minutes out of it. And then I still showing up doing something I want to do and you know staying true to what I need in my values are also working it into a way that works for me. And I think that's really what it's about. You know, like whether I tell people all the time like stop shitting all over yourself. It should is it sustaining word? It's just a Implies that we should have been better. We sort of done this or we should have done that like and it's really just by changing that language changing that word from should to could like. Oh I could have eaten a little healthier today or I could have made this Choice versus like I should have done this. I should have done that. I mean, I always encourage people to just change that that simple word there see how much their life changes because the reality is that what we say to ourselves matters. And so even being cognizant of that and you know, I'm asked because there's there's constantly have this mindset of self-improvement for myself within officer with clients to it's like, you know, either I was an activist in my office. Sometimes it's either I'd come to therapy once a week which shout-out is probably best for healing or I don't do it at all. It's like okay wonder what if there's some medium in there or even Going back to the surrender taking responsibility is something I'm constantly working on in my life is slowing down and going slower and I had a friend I was telling her I was like, I'm you know, I'm praying about going slower. I'm talking to my own therapy about going slow doing this and that and she said to me she's like Megan to go slow to be so you actually have to make decisions to go slow and that was this revolutionary to And I think that really shows other by either or thinking because it's like I think like either I'll take the whole day and rest or I won't rest at all or either. I'll fill the whole day up with all the stuff that I have going on or you know, I won't do it on. So I was laughing. I just got back from a vacation and you know, this inner part of me was upset because I'm like doing I'm already tired against it's like Well, yeah, if you can't score updates from vacation like I could don't store up my son time and bring it back with me. Like here. I am in the gray skies again, but I think I have to battle my own inner wiry to really practice this moderation, but I think moderations goes hand-in-hand with this either or like and so seeing how that shows up in my own life in my life. Eating healthy sometimes and maybe you also engage with some unhealthy eating or whatever. That looks like. Yeah. No, I love how you phrase that and it makes me think about a lot of things one that that either or mindset and just how it has the ability to kind of take over all areas and I used to struggle with this a lot. I remember recently finding a journal entry actually. That was like, who are you you smoke cigarettes and drink smoothies and it was like all of these backwards things like you go to the gym, but Angie Wendy's and it was like this true it is it is it's funny now because it's like yeah, that was that was me. That was what I was going through but this idea of perfection was obviously in there, but also they like if you're gonna drink smoothies and that means you need to be a certain type of way or if you're going to smoke a cigarette. You don't eat healthy that's backwards. It's like well, there's there's no level that I need to reach and I don't know the exact point when that started to change for me because if I wasn't going to go to the gym exactly what he said if I wasn't going to go for an hour and get cardio and lifting, you know, excetera done then I don't deserve to go like it's in really on the table for me and then it and it's like if you go then the sheds happen more and it Feels like I get tired of its the head starts spinning. It's just wild what happens when you battle with the shoulds and the shame it's exhausting. But anyway, I don't really know when the point for me when that change, but I know a moment when it did start to change, which is funny. I'm just remembering this, but I had known you and we had been friends but not super close yet and you invited people over to your home and you have Add your therapist come there to speak about feelings. Do you remember this? Hmm, and this was a huge moment for me and maybe you can share kind of your intention behind this a huge moment for me when I realized feelings aren't bad and feelings Drive beliefs and I started to cause I was that's when I was in either or mindset like big time. I was like wait, so I shouldn't meditate to get the fear away. I should just meditate to meditate like you're throwing off everything. I've learned but maybe you can touch on why you had that that night. Yeah. Yeah. I'm super passionate, you know about feelings and needs and boundaries and all things therapeutic and really the passion comes from the things that have really helped me and that seemed to help other people, you know growing up and in college and post-college. I read every book you can possibly imagine on Fearless God Golf Fearless loving Fearless academics Fearless working, you know, I just really my life was so dominated by fear. I was desperate to find something to make it go away and you know, some of us are dealing with anxiety that is you know, really big and we generally need some medication and therapy and different things around that but what I really wish I would have had at that time. It's for someone to have looked at me and said you were made to see you. Feel fear, you know, if you don't look both ways before you cross the street, you're probably going to get hit by a car. And what makes you look like both ways is your fear and really is someone that dolly that fear was okay and to almost bless the fear and to help me befriend the fear and it's funny because I work with a lot of performers and musicians athletes entrepreneurs people who are in these high-performance job. Thanks so much of the work that we do is around the Frederick's year and Sofia are just like, you know, a lot of therapeutic orientations come out of these core emotions, and some people have a subject will have 10 or 12 or whatever it is as long as it's kind of a but the thing about feelings or emotions, you know emotion is energy in motion. It's a really seeing that all these gifts have you no limitations when we don't listen to them and they have gifts when we do and so if you look at something like anger people a lot of times anger and rage confused and rage is more fear-based and wage is out of control and uncontained and can also be harmful for other people. It causes people to be afraid but we're really in our true anger my voice might sound just like it does right now when I'm when I'm feeling angry, but and your tells me that I I want something to be different. If I didn't feel anger. I wouldn't have passion. What I'd have is depression, you know, you're literally depressing your feelings. And so, you know, when I have somebody come into my office and says that they feel depressed the main work we do is around is figuring out their anger. What do you want to be different? What do you desire? What are you passionate about? Where do you want to see change? Like those are the questions that were working on and really seeking to dig down deep inside to figure out you know, or something like You no shame. There's a lot in our culture about how bad shape and I would say. Yeah toxic shame the shame that says there's something bad bad about me or something wrong with me. I agree. That's not helpful. Like ultimately I believe that there's a lot more right with us and there is wrong so that toxic sort of saying is really not helpful, but he'll be shame is great. You know, if you didn't feel some level of Shame, you wouldn't wear clothes we wouldn't shut the bathroom door. We would bourbon. Public or do other things that you know would kind of put us on the outside of our tribe or our culture and we need belonging with you today. We batter so they shaved subject that helps us accomplish that or you know guilt when we don't feel guilt then we don't know guilt tells us we've done something outside of our value system and when we feel guilt oftentimes we can go and seek forgiveness or make something right so we can seal guilt. We didn't feel shame we call these some sort of sociopaths and there's some other feelings that are grown in there, which I'd be happy to go over but you know just a little glimpse into that and a little glimpse into this my pursuit of trying to be Fearless nowadays. I really am worried about defending my fear and asking hey, I wonder what the gift is in this I wonder what my fear is telling me to do differently. Like if you're in a cage with a lion I sure as heck. Hope you feel fear because it might attack you and so what do you need to do to plan? And prepare to get out of that or what is the words of going to come from and so my hope with teaching feelings and inviting people and to learn more about their feelings is really that they were experienced freedom because I think that's ultimately the goal. Hmm. Yeah. No, thank you so much for talking about feelings. I personally love talking about them, but I learned a lot of that from you and there there is such a stigma with don't feel don't talk about feelings or that they're bad to feel. Or to even merely Express that you have a feeling and so for me learning which is what you mentioned learning that feeling something whether it's anger or shame fear or loneliness. What have you having that feeling arise tells me that I have a need Ed whether it's expressing a desire or wanting something to be different if you're angry or you know, if I'm lonely I need connection whether that's with other people or with myself for me when I started to recognize that connection it became a lot easier to sit in discomfort. I wasn't as scared of it. It was like, okay. This is a feeling that I don't personally like but I can learn to sit in it and I can learn to ask questions and that's especially with fear in my journey asking questions to it rather than running away from it or banishing it that certainly didn't do anything but Right curious about it being curious about the fear is trying to say and and ultimately with the feelings. It's the avoidance of feeling to end up causing us so much pain, there's no of if I really look at anybody I feel and as with people that I work with I see a lot of performance and performance addiction and work addiction and substance abuse addiction and that kind of thing and I don't even necessarily like to use word Addiction but more abuse and yes, sometimes that does bleed over into addiction and you know, I often tell people it's funny. I'll be speaking to you know, different grades. I was just recently at speaking to a school ID. And it's so funny when I stand up there and I'll tell him you know, I'm not here to tell anybody what to do or what not to do. But you know, if you can use cocaine and drink to excess or have you know, use food or have lots of unhealthy sexual experiences. If you can do those things and be the best version of yourself, by all means do it, you know, I hope it's doing things. That you know doing a bunch of cocaine help you be the best version of you do it. I've yet to see anybody who's had that experience that can really tell me that that's true for them. Is that shoe for you? I'm here to support you in that but what I find most often is that it's really we're doing all those things to avoid are shillings to avoid the reality that life is painful. There are painful experiences in life, and they're also can be great joy in life, but The reality is it is hard to be human. And so, you know, the denial of these feelings are trying to push them away. It's really what end up creating a lot of pain is really what ends up creating all the coping strategies. We use like alcohol drugs sex food performing working, you know avoidance, whatever it is that we pick we're really all more the same than we are different and I think that's even touching on recovery. That's one of the biggest lies that we can believe is that You know simply being abstinent from something would mean that we recovery because you know, it's just not true or you know, some of us it's so easy to look at the person next to us and say, you know, oh will you know, they had a drinking problem so they need to stop drinking but I don't fly don't need to do anything. It's like well, you probably do have something in your life. It might look like you no more being addicted in relationships or over exercising or working all the time or you know being really mean or being really nice like we all have these coping strategies and you know, really find this place of common ground and looking about you know, how am I not so different from the way that displacing used maybe alcohol and I use being Pleasant and being really nice, you know, like what do I need to do is step into my own recovery because we really we all need to step into recovery of who we were made to be because we've all learned to deny our feelings and to find and you know these ways that work in the beginning but they end up not working to really try to cope with that and to cope with the pain in the world. Yeah. No exactly. We you don't need to have the name of an addict or an alcoholic to experience discomfort and you don't need to use a substance like those major two that are most commonly talked about when we say addict, you know to qualify for someone that numbs and you did touch on something else becoming our best. Which I think is the motive for all of us which would lead to my final question for you. You know as I think of becoming our best selves for me a lot of that has come through connection. And so that's what I think the world needs more of and so I would ask you what do you think the world needs more of that's a good question. I think it's a kind of a person it comes almost a two-part answer and the first thing really was love needs more love but I think even at a higher level what we need more of his curiosity, you know, we live in a world with a political climate and you know, a social climate and all these things that really are black and white, you know this side versus that side if you know that about my store Your you know, there's a long time my life that I felt too conservative for the recovery community and too liberal for the church and I cried many tears about where I belong where I fit in and some of that was an internal experience, but some of that was an external experience of people telling me, you know, you can't think this and be a part of that where you can't you know, yeah, you're too much you're not enough here. You know me really trying to fit into these molds and what I kind of game. To realize is that it's really not black and white, like ultimately most people just want to know that they're loved they want to belong and they want to matter and the same and the same is true for me. Like when I think about what is the purpose of life ultimately it's like for me to give them receive love and I think the world that we live in is just busy and I found myself in the straps to like when I get into a lot of judgment internally or externally I almost in playful with myself and I tend to start asking myself like man. You must be really afraid right now that you know, like what are you so afraid of and really that that question with myself is a queue of hey, where can I be curious about this other person or this belief system or this organization that that really scares me? And so I think this posture I think it's the world had a posture of curiosity about people places things Institution. Ins machines mechanisms schools, you know politics whatever it is if we could be curious and really ask yourself two things is what can I learn from this other person and what do I like about what they think or what they believe and what causes me some discomfort about my current belief if we could really step into that place. I think it would ultimately lead her to lead us all to a greater place of love because there's so I'm so grateful. People in my life that is different than the are the places. I've been for the experiences that I've had that have been really outside of my comfort zones or my you know, belief systems that have really challenged me to grow and ultimately that's what needs a deeper experience of God because you know, I believe he's the creator of all things and being curious and learning more about that creation has ultimately resulted in a deeper love and so that would be my answer. Oh, I love that so much and I don't even think you know why but it's so funny the I didn't even tell you and I'm not even sure if I'm going to keep this but the podcast is called curiously enough and that's the name of the Bow-Wow and so through all of this journey and Curiosity has been the thing for me. That's led me to everything else. And so I'm so so happy that you said that because it's not just my idea. You know, I just wanted About it. I didn't invent curiosity. It just worked for me. So I love that it worked for you and the importance of it and why you value it the thing about curiosity that I love so much is that you can't you can't lose with it. It doesn't fight you. It's just an option and what you were saying this other side of curiosity, you know, I I've experienced it more from being curious about myself and then others as well, but it started with just being curious about me and asking questions. Yes, but also curiosity welcomes community and relationships and it it welcomes the idea that we could identify with someone rather than only see the differences and even going further than that Curiosity allows us to see the differences and know that like that Our intention was not to hate that we have difference of opinions. It was just to understand it though. It's kind of it. It's a really interesting state of being you I think you said Pasha. Of curiosity, it's there's a level of acceptance that comes with it. Exactly. Yeah, and you bring up a good point of saying like your curiosity really began with yourself and and I would agree with that my curiosity began myself as well to some degree. I think I've always been pretty curious. But the thing I like about, you know, you bringing that up is in any instance like we cannot give what we don't have and so if we did not have the ability to be curious about ourselves. We ultimately cannot be cured. It's about other people. It's just I've not seen a situation where someone is able to give something that they don't have which doesn't mean that we need to have like exact experiences. If somebody else in order to help them at all. But, you know, it's really hard to give feeling or allow lead someone to Healing if my first don't have healing myself or teach something about tape someone about something if I first haven't been a learner, you know, and just so I love that you're even Bang that about yourself and how your curiosity began with you because I think that's really true and wonderful. Hmm. Yeah. No, it's a it is it's a neat experience. It's it offers something different and it's it's allowed me to experience Freedom. So I'm glad that we were able to talk about that. That's really it makes my heart warm because I love that word so much and all that it does but that's a brilliant note to end on On thank you Megan for being here and being vulnerable sharing your story and digging into these topics that we don't talk about enough. I appreciate it so much. It is so fun. I've so enjoyed your friendship and just seeing where you're going with things and how you continue to lean into life and really live fully into you know who you were made to be is just so so so fun. So stay the past Grace. Thank you. Thanks Megan. Thank you again. For tuning in to this week's episode. I hope you got a lot from it. I know I definitely did. Don't forget to share and subscribe follow us on Instagram at Grace Googs and we'll see you next week.

Grateful you’re here! Episode 5 is all about the relationship we have with ourselves, the battle of perfection, the both/and mindset, and feeling your feelings. On today’s episode we’re talking to Megan Moir, a licensed professional counselor, speaker, and coach in the greater Nashville area. Megan works with her clients to delve into the details of their stories and uncover and gain healing from the obstacles that may be inhibiting them from experiencing life fully. Megan’s perspective on healing is one that is unique to her story. Her journey of understanding herself has led her to guide others to get to know their truth and understand the vulnerability and bravery in asking for help. She is a warrior and a mentor to me and many others. Megan speaks honestly and openly about being a therapist and a person in recovery from addictive behaviors and what that means to her. Listen and find out what her story could mean to YOU. If you would like to know more about Megan and the work she is doing make sure to check out her website: www.megan-moir.com or follow her on Instagram, @meganmoir. Be well!

Hi, welcome to mind gold episode 12 and happy someday. It's half past six in the morning. And that's how you can tell that I still have a key we accept so I'm a little bit nervous about this episode. So as you know for the last few episodes I've either been with James or I've had a guest so, you know, there's been someone to banter with And I was supposed to have a guest on yesterday. Unfortunately, he couldn't make it. He will be on the podcast of the next few weeks those so don't worry. However, so I was just going to leave it but then I got a message from a guy called Jason and Jason said no pressure, but I really need a new episode by Tuesday and I thought well, you know what Jason I'm going to do my first. So episode just for you mate. So yeah, literally you're probably the only person listening to this but I appreciate so much your support. And yeah, if I'm just going to do a massive solo overshare on here just for you then so be it. So what I thought I would talk about today is I guess my story and specifically focus on adversity. That I've faced I'll be at very first world because a lot of us are just normal people. Just trying to be a bit better at normal things. Right? Like we don't all have these epic stories of hardship and struggle and overcoming these odds like David Goggins or people like that and I love these stories because they're super inspirational but to a certain extent like how relevant Are they to normal people like your eye and I think that actually being able to find the positive in you know, minor adversity. That's how we grow. So I'm basically going to tell my story of how I got to where I am today and I guess the positives that I've found out of negatives along the way now, it's taken me quite a long time to get to the point that I know. Now automatically look for those positives and I really have been trying the last couple of years to really focus on developing my self awareness and hopefully recognize when I'm being a dick trying to correct my havior behavior. Sorry, so I'm less of a dick and it would be great if everybody else could do that too because Lord knows we need less dicks in the world. So yeah, this is basically just going to be about me. So if that does not interest you perhaps stop listening. If you do want something else to listen to I would recommend all the other podcasts which are about other things. And also there's a great podcast called the weightlifting life, which is very funny. So that he go. So yeah, I have lived in Melbourne for almost eight years. I'm from Auckland New Zealand. I was born in B6 which makes me 33 years old apparently the age Jesus got to which might be a relevant to most of you but I was brought up very very religious. My parents were super duper Christian. And yeah, I guess like in retrospect there did have a lot of influence over my upbringing people look at me now and I mean if you don't know what I look like you easily can because Instagram However, if you don't I'm like covered in teto's a lot of them are fairly satanic, but so I don't look like the sort of person who was very very religious until I was in my mid-twenties that I was and I think that's more effect of being raised to believe in a certain thing and not having any reason to question it. I guess the same way that kids believe in Santa which I was never taught to believe in obviously because Razors, and yeah, so most of my early life, I was fairly I guess I was really repressed. I suppose I wasn't really allowed to do a lot of things that like what I perceived the normal kids to be doing weren't allowed to watch TV, all that kind of thing and were brought up to believe, you know gay people went to hell if you don't believe in God you go to hell sex was very Rita boo something that wasn't discussed. And yeah, I guess I lived in a constant fear that I would inadvertently do something wrong and go to hell and yeah, I guess that that overshadowed a lot of my childhood and has I guess affected me as an adult today. Yeah, and in saying that like I'm not criticizing my parents at all for that they did the best. They could and they genuinely believe that that was the best way to raise a child and I don't I don't fault them or criticize them for that Lord knows if I ever had a kid, I'd probably fuck them up royally. So, you know what they did a good job. I'm fine now. Yeah, so that was my childhood and I guess in a stereotypical manner. I went to the fuck off the rails having had that Restricted childhood somewhat and that was I guess my first level of adversity they that I encountered and even though like this was a situation that I completely got myself into started basically went out of my way to find the wrong crowd to get to hang out with it was by no means an accident. Nobody forced me into this lifestyle. But when I was in my late teens I yeah. Started being a right piece of shit basically and it's pretty gross the kind of things that I got up to. Basically I started smoking ice and obviously that was kind of a progression of like starting to drink as a teenager starting to smoke smoke pot. You know, the whole gateway drugs sort of situation. It's fairly true. I guess ended up meeting a guy at a party who introduced me to this drug and I've always been like an All or Nothing sort of person and pretty much like a prime addiction material. Like if I like something I will want to do it all the fucking time. So that's basically what happened and if you don't know much about ice, that's a good thing because it's fucked but it's a really really fuckin shitty drug and it really fucks you up in the head really badly. So I started smoking ice. And I was pretty much addicted to it within like I guess a couple of weeks it was honestly crazy and then I pretty much my whole life just revolved around it. Like I met more people who were into it kind of got involved in this whole little gross West Auckland scene and got myself a real doozy of a boyfriend who in at the time. I thought it was like a super badass. Yes, he was quite a lot older than me. I would have been about 18 at the time and he was I don't know late twenties early thirties, I think. I thought it was super badass. He used to say he had been to jail, which I don't actually think was true to be honest, but he talked a fair amount of shit. He actually didn't have a home. All he did was kind of blood Jeff me and steal things. So yeah, I kind of got involved in this crowd who did stuff like that like a bird down houses for insurance and steal cars and all this kind of thing, which I wasn't really actively involved in myself, but I had this Weird looses fuck moral compass and I just didn't really see it as something bad. It was odd, especially because I was raised, you know with the Ten Commandments and all these really really strict rolls. It was just like I decided that I just did not give a fuck about anything anymore. It was bizarre. So I hung around with these these people for some time. I got like deeper and deeper into this whole kind of scene. And yeah, I just think things things started going real downhill. So I did actually have a job at the time. I worked for a family portraiture Studio hilariously and my job was literally the fact most mundane thing in the fucking world. So I would have to locate like a single negative on a roll of film cut it out and stick it to a little cardboard frame for families who wanted reprints of their family portrait. Portraitures portraits portraitures. Yeah, this is what happens when I talk about myself. So that was my job and I was just fairly obsessed with just smoking as much ice as I could and things got pretty bad. My boyfriend was fairly abusive, and I don't know I guess like I had no real comparison in terms of relationships and what was normal and what wasn't my first sexual And ship was when I was 15 with someone who was over 20 years older than me, which weirdly only just remembered the other day and I thought well that sucked. Anyway, I had just zero idea of what was okay. What was it? Okay, so I guess I put up with a fair amount of like mistreatment from this dude, but to be fair I put myself in that situation anyway. And I had a loving family. I had friends who gave a fuck about me and I could easily have yeah just left that whole situation if I had wanted to but I guess I've always found that I tend to flog dead horses quite extensively and this was probably the first of many dead horses. I've encountered in my life and that's not just referring to relationships that situations. It's jobs. It's basically anything that Get super fucking obsessed with I'm just like literally or nothing. Yes, I got into a pretty like- headspace with this this whole scene this whole relationship and there was namely I mean just due to how much the the drugged actually changes your brain chemistry. You just start thinking some really dark really violent things and that's certainly not what I'm normally like, so it was quite scary how much it actually changes you a kind of horrible example of that is I remember having like an You know if this girl that I was friends with at the time and I was so furious at some like slight that I felt was her fault that I carried a brick around in my car just in case I saw her like what the fuck and it just makes me feel sick to acknowledge that my mind could have been so Twisted by the substance. It's just really crazy. So I guess yeah a lot of my My negative head space that I was in was due to that and also obviously my circumstances being like less than ideal. So I ended up doing a bit of a tension seeking suicide attempt which ended me in hospital and I guess this was a bit of like a wake-up call that like I wasn't okay. And yeah, I managed to like pull myself out of this whole situation remarkably. I remember the day that it happened. I went around to my boyfriend's I'll because we were still together after all this by the way Deadhorse right went around to my boyfriend's ex-girlfriends place and she kind of pulled me aside and was like, you need to get the fuck away from this guy like he's a lunatic. He's an actual lunatic told me how much he used to like physically abused her and just told me some Crazy shit that had done and yeah, I don't know. It was like a switch in my brain was just like yeah. Nah and I pretty much just drove away. I left him in the middle of fucking Riverhead, which is like an hour drive from the city just dumped all this shit out on the driveway of his ex-girlfriend's house and was just like Janna by And that's the last time I saw him. Yeah, and obviously the come down from that whole situation was horrific, and I somehow managed to do it and I never went back to those people to that lifestyle that was weird. It was just like I was done. It just took me a really long time to realize that I was done and I ended up To distract myself registering for a Bachelor of Fine Art obviously and that took me the next four years and I guess over that time. I kind of work through some of this crap that was going on in my head through some really fucked-up artwork A lot of it was based on religion and death and drugs and sex and it was all just really weird and I'm so glad that That it's all been thrown away now because it was really awful. Yeah, so that was how that kind of little adversity ended and I guess the positive that I can gain from that I've only really realized today and it's I guess if you can get through something like that, then there's so much more that you can overcome, right? And yeah, I mean, I guess it's made me appreciate relationships which aren't like that which really you should be able. To do it without experiencing that let's be honest. But hey, some people have to learn the hard way. So I completed my Bachelor of Fine Art, which you know now I've got a massive student loan still in New Zealand and I literally do not use this qualification at all, besides decorating things for people's engagements and birthday parties. So yeah forty thousand dollars. Well spent however Ever it was a good distraction and it got me away from I guess that initial crisis life crisis that I was in I soon realized however that being an artist doesn't really make you much money. So I started working at a tattoo shop as the receptionist and that's why I look like what I look like basically teto's was like another I guess thing that I just went really hard on for some time and now I just couldn't really give a fuck and I just happened to now look like this forever. And that's really the only meaning behind that. Fuck. I hate when people ask what my toes me they just literally mean that I felt like getting a tattoo and I got a tow that's all literally all feel free to read a deeper meaning into it if you want to but I just really am not interested in that anyway, so that's worked at a tattoo shop and I kind of felt like I needed that next challenge and I guess I've always Has been of that mindset that I always need a goal at always need something to strive for and especially if it's something that I'm shit at that is like a my biggest trigger if I'm shit at something I have to be I've to overcome that. I have to try and be the opposite of shit at that thing, which I guess is now why I'm a weightlifter not saying that I'm good at it now, but I was fucking abysmal before anyway, so had a housemate at the time. And we would always take turns to cook for each other and he would always tell me how terrible my contributions were which is valid because once I actually am melted a plastic spatula into scrambled eggs and did not realize so I was fucking awful at cooking. Anyway just really rolled me out for they would constantly give me grief and tell me how shit I was so I decided obviously I would become a sheriff just to spite him and I did I went to Chef if school I qualified as a chef and I started working as a basically as the kitchen bitch and kind of worked my way up from there to sous-chef sole charge of a restaurant in Auckland hated it it fucking sucked and I think that what I learned from this experience is like sucking at something and trying not to suck it as one thing, but if you don't have that fucking passion and that fire every day That you like I fucking love this thing. I want to be good at it more than anything else ever. If you don't have that you literally just trying to be good at something that you don't care about and I guess that's what I discovered with being a chef like a done it. I proved my mate wrong at Great expense to myself and like literally five years of my life wasted on spite but the good thing about this was that it gave me a trade that I could then move. From Auckland to Melbourne, because the hospitality lifestyle lends itself to a similar lifestyle that I was in before I ended up going to art school and I embraced the fuck out of this also. So every weekend and often during the week a lot I would just like drink and smoke and take drugs and I had a fucking great time. Like I'm not gonna lie. I had a really good group of friends and we all had Testing times to get the doing all these things. So it was really nowhere near the light or forehead fuck situation of the The Ice era, but obviously it wasn't particularly healthy and I felt like I wasn't really going anywhere. Yeah, so I decided to move to Melbourne and I had never been here before. I'd been to a I've been to Sydney once when I was like a teenager never been to Melbourne, but a friend actually the same friend who I went to Chef school to spice he had said you would really fit in and fuck knows what that means. I don't know if I do fit in here, but it was enough of a incentive. I just needed to get the fuck away. And go do something else and I guess again my parents really doubted that I would actually leave that I would actually make the decision. So again, it was another spiteful like I'll fucking show you I'm moving to Australia. So I did I showed them and I'm still here almost 8 years later. So I moved over here luckily through the job that I was in an Auckland landed me chef de partie job here. So I moved straight over with my like thousand dollars, which at the time was like a substantial amount of money for me and I started working at this restaurant. Now this the the chef that I worked for was a just a fucking hard ass, and I hated it. I hated every second of it and again, like I said because I didn't have that intrinsic sort of drive and passion. I just felt like every every critique every Light against my skill was like a personal insult almost like I didn't take the feedback as like, this is good. This is going to make me better. I took hers. Well, fuck you do it yourself then and I think that's such an important lesson to learn. Like if you can't take feedback. You really not going to get much better. So I guess I kind of got to the point that I just stopped giving a fuck at all. I hated my job. I hated the hours. I hated food. I hated the people. People who came in the people that I work with. I just fucking hated it. So yeah, I ended up kind of doing the gradual. I was working at like I had restaurant a fine dining and that gradually went to fuck this. I'm just going to work at a cafe which not begging anyone who works at a cafe, but I guess for where I saw myself ending up in the industry. It was kind of a far stretch from So I worked at the cafe pretty much hated that as well. And at the time I was in a relationship with a guy who was fantastic and very supportive and I guess because I was so used to having these really dysfunctional relationships like the previous mentioned ones. It was yeah. It was a nice change. To be with someone who actually gave a fuck about me and someone who actually really wanted me to succeed and he actually helped to pay the rent We Live Together by the way help to pay the rent whilst I pursued my newfound interest which was Fitness hilariously. So basically during the time that I moved to Australia, I did like a full 180. I stopped drinking. I stopped smoking because I smoke cigarettes for like 10 years fuck. I'm smoking by the way. God is good kind of thought it now though many Secrets like 30 bucks a packet ridiculous. Anyway, so stop smoking. Stop drinking stop taking drugs tried to eat healthier and started going to the gym now hilariously. I had a personal trainer and she was basically like the the opposite of what I wanted to be as a trainer and as awful as she was and I don't even care if she's listening. To this because mate you are fucking terrible like the sort of stuff that she would tell me. It's just completely at odds with anything that I would tell any of my clients now, so I remember one of our sessions she actually grabbed my stomach and told me that if I wanted to get rid of all of this I should stop eating bread, and I can't imagine ever doing that to anyone. I just it was fucked and she would tell me that. She ate was broccoli with lemon juice. She just made me feel like this incredible sense of guilt and shame around what I was eating. And yeah, she's bloody awful, but she actually was kind of an inspiration to me to be like, you know, what I don't want to be someone like that. I don't want to be like putting out this fucking really unrealistic message to people like that. I'm perfect and that everyone needs to restrict the Fuck out of everything they do and make their life Bloody miserable. Right? So in a way, I guess like she was like training with her. It was a good thing because it made me realize what I didn't want to be like and I really hope that I'm not like that today. I started training with her and I was like I could I can I can do this better. So yeah, I got obsessed with becoming a personal trainer. And as I said my partner at the time very supportive because I had to study Go to fitness school and do my cert three and four for six months while still working as a chef. But then the the more challenging part was the transition from being full-time Chef to full-time Fitness and he very kindly and very grateful to him for this paid the rent whilst I made this transition over like a couple of months to getting a job at a German kind of building up my clients and building up my hours. We're no longer in contact, but I'll always be grateful to him for that because that's probably the nicest thing anyone in a relationship is ever done for me. So that was incredible. Yeah, unfortunately that relationship didn't work out. However, we did get married. I am still married to him because divorce just seems like ordeal especially when you got married in another country and I just don't even know how to go about that sort of thing. Out anyway, it's fine. So the relationship didn't work out. However, the positive that came from that was that I guess I was very I felt ended up feeling very unvalidated and unhappy in this relationship and I just became obsessed with training and I actually ended up getting hit by a car along with my little fitness journey and through that I discovered CrossFit. So what happened was I was riding my bike. I got hit by a car ended up going to a hospital. I fucked up my knee and because I was just so hell-bent on continuing training and I think I would have been probably squatting maybe 50 kilos back then and I don't think I could even do like a full pull up. So I wasn't particularly good but I was like obsessed with it. Right and I kept training despite the fact that I injured myself and and this Stupidity lid to me fucking my knee up quite badly and I thought you know, what's going to help this CrossFit. So I went to the local CrossFit gym. I talked to the owner and I was like, hey, my name is fact. Can I start in here? And he was like, you know, what? No, you're going to go see offers. Yo, so he had a physio practice upstairs from the gym, which I now work at it. Actually that the germ not the Physio and he sent me up there to be assessed by the physio who gave me a whole bunch of basically, my glutes were weak as fuck. My knee had been taking all of the load for all the dumb shit. I was doing since my injury and I just needed to be a whole bunch stronger. So he gave me a whole bunch of rehab exercises and I started training at my first CrossFit gym. And became fucking obsessed with Crossfit like next level. I was such a wanker. Oh my God, it was literally what I lived for and this according to my ex led to a breakdown in our relationship because I was just so fucking obsessed with Crossfit which in retrospect is fair. However, at the time I just felt like nothing was really going right in the relationship so I might as well rather be at the gym. And that's basically just what happened. So I ended up deciding I wanted to become a CrossFit coach doing my level 1 and going to another gym to work because there wasn't really an opportunity at the one that I was originally asked for an internship. Yeah, and then I basically just fell in love with the stick and Jim I was like next-level obsessed and I think it was probably the week that I had split up with my partner. ER That I went in and was like, I want to coach CrossFit. I'll do it for free. I don't give a fuck. I just want to do CrossFit and train CrossFit learned CrossFit and just be like the biggest CrossFit wink when the world and they were like, well sure and yeah, that was pretty much my home for like the next two years. And yeah, I coached I trained I basically just fucking lived there and I guess Retrospect like because my family are all back home and I didn't really have many friends here and obviously having just split with my partner moving out by myself. I guess I kind of needed like a replacement sort of family like a surrogate family and that was what I found and this place was I just felt at home. I felt comfortable I felt supported and yeah, that was the next two years of my life. Yeah, unfortunately, I did the whole Deadhorse thing again with this place and left basically because of that. I think one thing I've learnt from that whole situation is kind of quitting while you're ahead and I've just been like really fucking slow to give up on things in the past. Just keep just keeping thinking. No, it'll change know it'll get better. But you know what? Sometimes you just have to accept that. Something's not going to get better and that you're the only person that can make the change and that change is normally you leaving. So yeah, I was in a bit of a toxic relationship at the time which I'm not really going to go into. However this ended up being the fucking best thing that could have happened. Because the breakdown of this relationship caused me to be like I need to get the fuck out of this place. I need to find somewhere else to train one of my best friend's is very amazing weightlifter current national champion and her weight class actually and she had been very encouraging of me. I guess exploring weightlifting more as an option and then it always been like one of my biggest struggles with Crossfit like I've never been particularly what Been fucking awful at weightlifting just really slow to pick up the technique and it's if you've never done it before like it's a very specific strength like you might be able to score a hundred kilos, but you snatch can still be rubbish. It's very thirsty work doing this on your own. Yeah, so I was very slow on the uptake of the technique not particularly strong. And so she was very encouraging and very supportive and would give me a little like one-on-one sessions with her and suggested that I may want to try just a ring weightlifting and at the time I like couldn't imagine that like so used to running around half naked with my rig out fucking you know, I look at me ridiculous Behavior. And I guess the whole weightlifting World seemed kind of the opposite of that, you know what I mean? So I guess I was a bit terrified of that. But when I had this whole relationship breakdown and that was I guess the trigger for me to find another place to train I was like, you know what I'm going to fucking give it a go. So left the gym and started training at just a weightlifting Club. Yeah where everyone keeps their clothes on everyone's fucking unfit. All everyone wants to do is sit the fuck down and probably eat something. So I was completely opposite of what I was used to. And it took me a really long time to adapt to this different style of training the different like I guess Community is yeah, but I fucking fell in love with it and I think even even more so than with Crossfit because what I really loved about it what I still obviously love about it is the level of discipline the level of commitment and I mean, although it's been like a hard adjustment. Like I feel that falling in love with the process of becoming better rather than focusing on the outcome itself has been like a massive game changer for me mentally and I guess it's led me to think of other things in my life similarly like my job like relationships that it's not about this instant gratification. It's about building something. It's about enjoying the journey. Rather than the end goal. So I guess now I can don't really have an end goal and I have a medium goal. My medium goal is to qualify for Nationals. So to qualify for Nationals, I made a hundred and forty-seven kilo total my best total so far as a hundred and twenty nine kilos, so we're a ways off, but that's okay because there's so much that I love about the sport and just being a part of it and like I don't want it to end. I don't want to get to the point that I'm qualified for Nationals and be like, well, that's me done. Like I want to qualify for Nationals more than once like I love this. It's such a part of my life now and I I think that it's it's become a part of my life in a different way. Like I don't feel that I'm feeling some sort of void by training. I don't feel like weightlifting is the most important thing in my life anymore. I feel that the relationships that I have with people a lot more fulfilling because I can genuinely enjoy the journey and I can genuinely enjoy the process of them and I feel that weight lifting has is learnt it's learned. Me fucking now. It's it's taught me so much about like everything in life. I think like it's incredible and like my job for example, so I do work. I failed to mention that it is a really important part of my life actually so between kind of ditching CrossFit and discovering weightlifting. I got a full-time job in the fitness industry, which has taken me five years to get And so now I'm part of the management team for like a council run gym facility. And I basically am in charge of creating programs that help people get further help people get stronger and I guess build that kind of positive gym Community, which I've learnt has been an absolute fucking life changing experience for me and discovering my community. And so I guess I wanted to bring that to other people. Really? So it's been it's been really cool that like all of these negative things in my life have led to meet kind of discovering what I want to do. However, I don't think that I'm at all at like the end in terms of I've got the job. I want I've got em where I want the most I'm where I want to be in my sport. It's more like I think I'm on the right path. Off that I don't really have a specific goal in terms of where that path is going to take me and I guess it's about being open to the opportunities that may come along because none of the things that have happened to really like fallen into my lap and I don't really believe that that's a thing. I think that if you want something then you have to go the fuck out there and you have to make it happen for yourself and whether that's a job or whether that's a sport or whether that's a relationship. No matter what it is like you sitting there and hoping that it happens. It's really going to do Farkle. So I guess that's what I've learned and I've always been one to make things happen. If I like someone I'll fucking tell them that I like them if I you know, if I apply for a job, I'm the person who is calling them the next day to tell them that I really want to work there. And I guess that's the only way that I have got any of the opportunities. That I have and yeah, I just guess being an annoying count as one of my my best personality traits. Basically couldn't get through the whole episode without saying that word could I know yes, so I guess that's my mind gold are so far. And as I said, I'm 33 years old and I'm fucking excited because I feel like my life is only kind of religious started and I feel like there's going to be so many more amazing things that happen and whether they're a good thing or a bad thing. I don't really believe that it matters because all this shit adds up to the person that you are today, I guess. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know if that was supposed to be inspiring or just like a massive overshare. But yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone who listens to this podcast actually really knows much about me. So now, you know probably way more than you ever wanted to and yeah, that's my Sunday morning massive fucking overshare for Jason. So yeah, I do have some topics that I'd really like to get into over the next few months of the podcast and I do have some like really cool guests lined up. However, I'm always interested to hear what you guys want to hear about anyone you can suggest me getting in touch with and getting them on here for a chat because I don't know how many of these I can do on my own like I To stop in the middle of there and have a drink of water. Like I think my voice sounds real croaky. So sorry about that. But yeah, so take what you want from that or just now, you know too much about me. So well done. I hope you all continue to listen, and I hope you have a fucking excellent day that is full of mine. Gold. Bye.

Inspired by Jason, this episode is 100% me. Join me for a massive overshare into the less boring bits of my life, what I've learnt from them, and how the seemingly negative things that happen can turn into the best if you just wait them out, just like you'll have to wait til the end to hear me drop the c bomb. 00:00 The inspiration behind doing a solo episode and the opportunity to stop listening if you don't particularly want to know too much about me. 01:30 How most of us are just normal people trying to be slightly better at normal things and the importance of using adversity to become slightly less average. 03:10 The least boring parts of my life; ice, sex, and the constant fear of going to hell. 10:00 The constant need to flog dead horses and the importance of quitting while you're ahead. 13:00 Yeah, nah, bye. The transition from piece of shit to art student piece of shit. 16:00 Why spite is an excellent motivational tool, but a genuine passion is essential. 21:00 From food to fitness; the inspiration behind my next career change. 26:00 CrossFit; how being hit by a car turned me into a full CF wanker, plus finding and then losing a surrogate family. 30:00 Entering the world of weightlifting; why I love keeping my clothes on and sitting the fuck down. Discipline, commitment, and falling in love with the process. 33:00 The goal and why I'm OK with not being there yet. 36:00 Making things fucking happen, and why being an annoying c*** is essential to achieving anything.

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I don't know you think that changes how the show feels it feels more calm with the bleep. I feel I don't feel like as like, you know, I just feel like more soon. There's the bricks the brick the brick walnuts. And yeah Justin getting ready for a fight. This is a little bit calmer timbren Studio same building just like two two two doors down. That's okay. But yeah anyways, it's going on today. Today besides today is the hit man's birthday. Yeah, there we go. 62 years old crazy crazy on my friends are old fuck. My girlfriend's like how your friends are so old but just feel better than like in a way for you at least the year. Like, I guess you can say that younger one. She likes till the cab always the kid so and that's just fine. Yeah, so happy birthday to the Hitman. Did you text them already or was that that was that was a birthday surprise or like the birthday like half a shot of intact or anything? I'll do that later after the show. So and and just real quick yesterday was apparently that that was a 24-day anniversary of my battery brat, but apparently yesterday was the 25th anniversary. It's know somewhere along the lines. I The year. Yeah, anybody ever seen that much? Yeah - definitely. Yeah. How did II wanted to ask you kind of about the the pacing of that match and that kind of I think that that matches so kind of Billy paste and there's such a kind of game of one-upmanship going on there. And it really it definitely seemed like Brett was putting his ass off to put you over in that match. Can you talk about that? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, Brett. He you know, he got really aggressive with me. And therefore this sole purpose of making sure the people are behind me, you know? Yeah create that's because you know, the people always, you know, people are always solidly behind me back then but you know, I've never been up against, you know, I never been across the ring from brat, right and that's what I was wondering. I was wondering if that was the first time that that you would really been in that position of like, all right. Let's see if he can hang you know. In the mean of that. Yeah, I guess so. I never really thought of it at the time, you know, but looking back on it that match really, you know, besides the you know, this couplet razor coming in the door. He's row beating him and then having that $10,000, you know challenge match what I got back, you know, obviously that was great for me and you know the victories over DiBiase and all that stuff, but Not this was I needed that I needed that match. I had a little bit, you know after SummerSlam 93 by my push kind of came to a little bit of a halt due to my own, you know Behavior outside the ring. I think I do. Yeah. I mean no one ever really tells you. Oh, you know, we're punishing you sure you just all of a sudden, you know, you're losing matches you think you supposed to be winning and you know, Just things like that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So anyways, yeah, they had a great match with with oh and a lot of people talk about it. Was that from King of the Ring The Ring 1994. Yeah. And so that was King of the Ring is in you know, mid the late June. Yeah and usually right around I think that year was the 19th June 19th is my son's birthday. So okay. I always know but and and so, you know, we had about a month in between that. Then this match with Bret and so we know a couple weeks out. I remember I like the TV before that because we would tape, you know, one tape show one live show and so a couple weeks it was that the previous set of TVs. I'm pretty sure it was Pat Patterson that came up to Bratton, you know and told Brett we were having the match so we had plenty of time to think about it, you know, the match was held at this. Place it was called Fernwood Resort. It was like this crazy up in the Pocono Mountains. It was just crazy. Yeah, I was just like this was was a resort like he go to and Kane code or something buzzing the Poconos, you know, they had the crazy like, you know, honeymoon suites with a heart-shaped bed. You know hot tub I think we dressed it one of those rooms and all of this week. Yeah and another They came again us for the matched two or three different times and two or three different times. Brett said we're not ready yet. And so they they shot our match out of sequence and you know, finally obviously eventually we were ready. It's just we were really putting a lot of thought into that and get mad. He's he was he just he really made me in that like I was saying but he yeah and you can tell even just from from the very beginning of the match starts right at you give him an arm drag and he's dead and even just his facial expressions, you know, he's telling the whole story there and Jim Ross and Randy Savage just crushed it on commentary that actually that it made it made the match even you know better because I I've watched that match with other voice out like his obviously Point Randy Savage was like kind of on the outs. Yeah, obviously and so all anything with his voice on it they V out. And so when they when they released this match on something I can't remember what it was. They had a voice over with Gorilla Monsoon and Stan Lane and fucking suck so mad Stan Lee was making jokes and you know, like, you know, we're here we are out there doing this match and all serious and I was so fucking bad when I heard that oh Shawn with the near Falls, which nearfall did you when you were in the ring? Did you really start feeling the crowd get behind you? Boof. Oh good question. There was that that it was a you know, once I'm out in my come back there was the he goes a superplex me and I you know, I turn it into like a cross body, press situation. That was that was good. Actually. Have you got stuff like oh shit when I drop the fucking leg off the top I think I put jackknife powerbomb then let me add this. Yeah, like you were mine. They were buying the car was buying all the near Falls in line and sinker. Well and especially yeah that superplex spot. I think that that reminded people a lot of the the razor, you know, just the fact that it kind of could come out of anywhere. And so and you know, okay the uppercut forearmed hmm the European style uppercut for arms that are referred to as lifters. That's what we call them lifters. Yeah, I'm Brett was Brett those like pretty much the best lifter of anyone that's not from the UK already dead. Right? And you know Brett if you watch the match when he hits me with those things that look like it looks like he's taking my hat off now he actually told me I no one had ever sold those like that before but it wasn't hard to sell. You can tell everything is definitely there for ya and they have stuff like there. I saw a picture. One picture of like after the match was over and Brett told Ms. John I did I clocked him by two or three good times here and he's not when you hit rat hunt when you potato brat. He'll let you know. Yeah, he said those were some of the biggest potatoes I've ever had like that during this time. You weren't really seeing very many championship matches main event on raw and if Brett was wrestling on the show was sort of more of a squash match, right, but now, you know prior to that we were mostly seen Brett Russell. Bigger guys, I mean other than Owen Hart you were the other guy that was able to really go toe-to-toe with him. So what was it like wrestling Bret Hart at his Peak? Hi. It was great. Hmm. Yeah. I know it's you, huh? I wish I would have had more match. That was what we did after, you know, the first time we ever the first and only time we ever had a match and that's what came of that so I can't imagine if we were ever able to you know, go out there and really get to know each other in the ring sure. I could have happened. So yeah. I don't know. He was just it was he's one of those guys that you just I mean, these are the term ring general, you know, what have his in the dictionary would have his picture up by the definition we could just go out there and just listen to the guy and you know, I don't know. What was it a situation where you were you kind of kind of both came to the table with a lot of ideas. He he said I want you to do all your shit. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, and he let me do it all. Yeah the the dye to the floor though the kind of barely caught me on it. Oh my God, I got barely breathe outside for a few seconds, but Not just that's to be if somebody asked me what your favorite match what was your best match any of those questions involving, you know the best of that like that's it. That's that's the one I choose and I've been a lot of great ones I've ever been in you know. Worked with Sean Flair. I mean everyone's got sure different guy and I like the best guys of of different styles. You know, I worked well speaking of styles every way Jay. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. That's just that that's the one I always, you know point to yeah, that was that's my greatest singles match and it was at the hall of fame. Correct and Bret Hart was saying that he wanted to step in the ring with a guy. Like you correct. Yeah, how did that feel hearing that come out of his so Brett was the keynote speaker. This is a funny story. That was say so Brett's the keynote speaker at the hall of fame. And you know, he's going on he's talking about, you know, all the great the Great's from the Past who we were honoring there and then you know, he looks out into the crowd and he sees all the you know, the great guys and you know that are that are the future that mystery and A singles me out. And this way we didn't know we were having the match even you know, so yeah, then he said that about me and as he's put me over like that so Kurt, how do you get Jack lands are we're all sitting together and they're in Jack. He like he reach he he leans over to ghost. When he's finished everyone get up and standing ovation and sounds like yeah, okay. I'm all excited and he was finished and I fucking jumped up and I'm fucking giving it a shin and I look around and everyone still sitting down. There was the funniest fucking thing. Yeah. That was so funny. Yeah, exactly. That's right. Oh man, so I don't know if you've I believe you talked about this on prior shows, but I just wanted to remember exactly so for you, what would you say where the differences similarities between rustling Brett wrestling Owen? There was some okay some similarities and that you could just go out there and just wrestle and not have to you know, call things are both kind of in general is in his hands. Let me but I mean is I could do that too was just there was a certain, you know way of how you could do things back then and you know, because it's like a lot of times you would be working with a guy and you wouldn't even talk to him before the match because they dressed on the other side of the building right like they did in in the Memphis Tory territory. They did that Nashville. Remember the first remem ber first time. I work with Brian Christopher. We have a great fucking match, but we didn't speak one word before the match. It was the you know, we had to finish and that was it and just went out there and intuitively like just had a match and but yeah, I know that's what you could do with with with both of those guys brought in. Oh and so on Brent was okay. Owen was always the better athlete. I think it's safe to say that and I could tell like being in there with him. You know you just removed, you know, and he was and I think his style was was a little bit closer to you as the father. Yeah, and well my style was a little bit closer to his because I did a lot of emulating of own heart sure coming up in my you know, when I was coming up but okay the main difference and I'll say this with respect to O, I don't want anyone to take well it is the way this fucking window and didn't give a fuck. It could be brutal. There with them like on purpose like he grabbed your arm and just like do these fucking it. Look just like this to me behold your army dippy hit your arm like that. So don't be like your fucking get like his he just was like checked out sometime, right, you know, fuck it. So that was what separated those two. If no one took it as serious as Brett dead. He been better in Brett. Great. Well, we'll definitely have to talk about that King of the Ring match for sure. I absolutely crazy about that match. Do you think okay we talk about that later. 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Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV the fans and and I are my peers because I remember right after that we were going we were in the airport and we just happened to cross paths with all the WCW guys and they all came up to me and were like, oh my God you match with Bret your match with Bret like fit Finlay Regal the guys that like if they come up to you and compliment you like you must have a hell of a fucking match. Yeah, right. There wasn't just lip service. It was like and that's the greatest thing in the world for somebody like me. you know to have those kind of to be praised by your peers, you know, it's great the obviously man, you know, we do this for the you know to satisfy the fans but like that respect to your peers is huge, you know? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and especially when you're someone like me that you know, I grew up idolizing a lot of these guys that I ended up working with and then to have them say things, you know complimentary things about how you you know about your craft the way you know the way I Yeah, yeah, whatever. Let's go. Yeah, 25 years. Yeah, I think you had everybody's respect 25 minutes me questioning my math and I'm really bad at math already as it is. What I thought was like what what year are we in? All right. All right. Go ahead. Okay. All right. So let's go ahead and move into some news. All right, so last week after our show, I think it was the day after where the news broke. There was an email blast sent out WWE announced that there would be new executive producers for raw. It would be Paul Heyman and for Smackdown, it would be Eric Bischoff. Now this obviously had lots of people on Twitter going back and forth talking about this, but I want to know what were your thoughts. I thoughts about the news or thoughts about both the news who they chose to be in this position sort of because they're essentially overseeing creative development, right? So maybe talk a little bit about that what you think? um I don't know happy for Paul and happy for Eric because I really like them both and there's you know, there are good reasons for why they you know mean there's a track record there sure, you know Eric's is a little bit different obviously, you know, Eric wasn't really the creative guy. So I'm it's I'm curious to see how this plays out for him or how you know how SmackDown You know with him at the helm, I mean we kind of got a little bit a of a taste of what Ron is going to look like, you know with with with Paul there and I think it was you know so far. I think it was pretty good review on Raw last night. There's definitely no this is better than has been in forever. Right? Well one of the key points are biggest topics that people were talking about in regards to this is the difference. It's between Paul Heyman and Eric Bischoff whereas Paul hemann, it's known for following the product and you know outside of WWE and knowing what's going on and Eric Bischoff not being that sort of person. So do you think that that might affect that what he's going to be, you know being in that role I'm not being aware of what's going on outside the company. Absolutely. It's just that like, okay. So what Eric this is just from my point of view how I always thought what Eric was really smart about what there was. picking guys that were brilliant at the things that he wasn't, you know, like surrounded himself with so like Eric, I mean this Are could just find somebody that I don't know he finds he looks pretty sure he liked Eric new like okay. I'm not like genius Booker. So let me get somebody else that is known for you and he get people to kind of covers. Yeah, that's good. And on a three weeks, he usually usually when you look back at a mid 90s pay-per-view in The Finnish wasn't that great or the match wasn't wasn't agent it as well as he thought that would usually be what he said that. I delegated that wrong. That's usually Kevin Sullivan who puts the finishes together. I didn't like that. I didn't like the continuity and I wish looking back. I wish I had gone back to Kevin Sullivan and told him about that like explain to him the vision I want which and I think his his work at CVS and with Time Warner now correlating as a TV producer to work with Fox I think makes him perfect for this role sure more so than the Creative Vision of a TV show The What does what does Smackdown live on Fox probably on Friday nights? What does that look like versus Raw on Monday nights? And I think he's the person for that Vision. Huh? Do you guys think if because it seems like they're trying to to make this iteration of SmackDown on Fox more look more like a legitimate sporting program. Do you think that he's the that hiring him in this role will be in service of that. We will see. Like he hasn't even had a week on the job yet. So yeah, I have no idea. What a Smackdown with you know with with Eric at the helm would look like on the other hand. I kind of you kind of have an idea of what Iran is going to look like and it kinda that's what it looked like. I mean it was I mean like you could you could smell you can smell Well, you can tell Haman sent all over the show for sure right especially week to week. So and I'm we're going to get in a row so I don't want to do but like week to week. You see last week Bobby Lashley and Braun strowman had a tug-of-war this week. They're good through the sweetheart. Tell Santa stage. I would be shocked if part of that was him already being involved interesting to say well this week. Let's do some of these ideas so that next week when we make this announcement. We can show a market difference right and really rather than Eric Bischoff did do an interview in an interview. He said that he does realize the magnitude of this job and then considering that they are making the big move to Fox. It's kind of like he's kind of coming in with more pressure I think and you know, some may Wonder like, you know, there was maybe perhaps other people that could have also held this position, you know, so I depressed Vince Russo's not like hey, what about me? What about me? Hey Fox, I'm sure if we listen to you sing that right. But overall do you think it's just going to be a wait and see game then? Yes. Yes. Yeah, I and far as like as far as well last night goes I was you know, I was happy with that. So I mean I mean first week for Paul. Seems like neither one and then you got understand they can't this overnight. Like that's to be a transition, right? You can't just all the sudden, you know, halt like storylines and he has to be it has to be kind of a reason to sing into it also like Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo tried that on night for a long time ago, and it wasn't it wasn't what they thought it would be. We're like, we're just gonna come out. I'm going to take all the belts and we're gonna Crown Jeff Jarrett is the biggest heel and reboot. Yeah, we're going to Put the whole show and it's like hey, I don't know if we need that. Like I like that we went from tug-of-wars to stay to Stage destroying and then you know in two months and you're months and I'll look like a different show. Yeah, but yeah, well plenty to say once we get into talking about Rob proper. Yeah. All right. All right. There's so many things to talk about I guess killer thing too much. All right. Well, let's move on then last week. We were talking about the whole Twitter feud between Seth Rollins and Will Osprey and you know sort of picking sides shot being taken excetera while about a few hours before we started our show Seth Rollins actually apologized to will Osprey on Twitter. He apologized apologized about bringing up the point about comparing bank accounts. And then he went on to say it was dumb of me and not in line with my values the moment. I pressed the send button. I knew it was trashed, but I'm too stubborn for my own good. Yeah, that's I mean, that's what that's one. What something like that is. What one would hope you know, like after against are you know couple days of sitting on it? And yeah, we get caught up and it's easy to do that on Twitter. It's the worst, you know, like it brings its it brings the worst out in us right? I'm not going to say us is in everyone but us like, yeah, well mean generally speaking us. Humanity Twitter doesn't Twitter doesn't amplify that our best traits that yeah, he said that partially because he knew that that tweet would fit kind of the way the discourse of the way discourse happens on Twitter not necessarily who he is as a person so, you know I'm happy to see that I just hate you know, it's good. Hey, I'm better than you know, you're not well, okay, let's okay. Let's prove it. Okay, you know, hey, I just had this match. You know, let's see what you got and you know, like back and forth like that. That's good healthy, you know shit talking competitive. Yeah for sure talking and that's the kind of shit. I want to see I don't want See that in turn can paralyze, you know bullshit. Yeah, so yeah and then but by comparing bank accounts, you're comparing professional philosophy of like, oh, well, I'm making the most money. So therefore I'm the best right? I mean that's yeah exactly. I don't like we need to get into that argument, right? Yeah. So I'm just waiting for will to like go like full-blown. He'll guy go fuck yourself. Either way like it was pretty interesting that Seth Rollins did this because it's not everyday like even like everyday in our everyday lives. It's not easy to admit. Hey, I was being stubborn. I'm not gonna change my mind like it's hard to admit that your it is hard. But you know what's even harder is when you do something like that and you have to just keep sitting on it without fucking correcting it or making it right when you're a decent human being and you have respect for for the other. Person like because obviously the great gardeners come on there has to be a fuck ton of mutual respect there between those two. So yeah, I don't think Seth Rollins would have mentioned will a spray at all had he not had enough respect to be where it like, right Seth Rollins doesn't have a history of like blowing up people who don't deserve it. Right? And that's yeah, we had talked about that a little bit last week the fact that even engaged with it as kind of a sign of a certain amount of respect. All right. Maxed. All right. Well, let's go on and talk about aw fighter Fez. It happened over this weekend in Daytona. What did you guys think of the show? Um, I'd like to there were there were things about it. Yeah. I think one of the things coming coming out of it that a lot of people are talking about is that unprotected chair shot that Cody Rhodes took from Shakespeare's you don't talk about that. Okay, I wasn't a fan of it, right? Okay, we don't need that. That being said fuck like a lot of people just like to just take anything and blow it up and get out outrage over it and oh my God the fuck kind of okay. Yes, not good. It's okay. I'm pretty sure like it dropped on your fucking head like, you know with the super collider fucking yada yada fucking bring Buster. Suplex isn't good on your fucking head either. Right? Right. Yeah. I just think it was a lot a big deal made out of it. Right? I think it was way too big a deal made out of that. What good should have done it? Okay, let's move like okay big. Okay, so they won't do it again. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping is that they'll they'll they'll at least know that something like that. They don't need to do often if at all. Well it's interesting because I'm pretty sure I'm not pretty sure but like I would assume the plan was we want this to really We have that much impact right so much so that even heading into this the plan might have been he's gonna take an unprotected chair shot so bad. He's gonna bleed and then we're never going to do anything like that for five years, right? That is the value. I don't know. I just yeah should have done it. Should we be making like just should be just beating at a fucking dead horse into the ground over it. I don't think so. Yeah. Well, one of the things I wanted to mention was because of this chair shot dark, BLM was sort of forgotten about but even though at during like prior to all of that he was looking pretty good in terms of he was able to go to a draw with Cody and I thought that in terms of like building somebody up and making them too big like if you know to be a star eventually a kind of kind of yeah, I like the way that we were talking with you and Brett. Yeah, so like it was going all like everything out there was planned with Darby there but the chair shots are of took away from that so I couldn't just wanted to bring light to the fact that Darby Allen was one of like it kind of made the Yeah did take away from the match and like no one's home about the match now rightly. Nobody is the people that are though our there's a there's been a lot of comparisons talking about Darby on being sort of a this this eras Jeff Hardy. Do you do you have any thoughts about he's just this are as fucking Darby out. I think that oh my God, I'm like, oh can we just cut it out with the fucking old like the modern-day this guy? I like no, he's fucking dirty Alan. Hmm. I get the I get the temptation to always make comparisons. And so and so's the new this I mean, okay, they're they're they're eccentric, you know risk-taker characters, right? Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. No. No, I don't see it other than sure about just yeah. Nobody else is taking those iCoffin drops on the air. But some of the other people that were considered show standouts where MJ F of course a jungle boy who is also doing really well and it's funny because in their in their and their natural hang my pinch it and JF Jimmy havoc and jumbo jungle boy. I kind of felt like even though a hangman page is supposed to be like the next top star like one of the top Stars. I kind of feel like mjf sort of overshadowed him and his sort of kind of claiming that like spot baby. Yeah, that's fine. That's how it goes. Yeah. I like that. I like I actually Like the idea that it's not like oh, this is the person we're planning on. So this is the person it's got to be like no mjf is sort of like Rising like even from there, you know from from from the first show that they did it's sort of been like going higher and higher and then even jungle boy was one of those stands out like he's one of those guys that people just like they like them it's not because he's look Perry saint either right? They just like the guy, you know, like people happy don't even know that about him when they see him He's good hard-working kid. Like he has good ideas. He executes his stuff. Well good. Look, you know, he's not a big kid, but he's in shape. Hmm and I like the thing with him and him and Lucha. It's like Kanan my in Cannes. Sure. Yeah. Yeah plus. Well Moxley also came out looking like a star as well. I mean, yeah that one. Thought he did was pretty impressive on the show and had that that star Persona that you know that you just know okay with even if you weren't a wrestling fan of let's say you were just hanging out at a friend's house and you're watching you're like, okay. This guy's a big deal. So I thought that that was a good stand out to have during this show but one of the things that people work too happy about was actually the pre-show. Yes, people were not feeling that one at all. Yeah, that's it because of the the de Bailey thing. Yes. Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah. They're what all What else was it? But people weren't really too happy with like some of the matches like what well best friends private party. I see you the lovely Mary. What's the problem? I thought that was a great match either of the three magical fucking complain about the private party just people weren't what people just know like not necessarily like just like specifically with them just people weren't too invested into the pre-show and what was happening on the show itself. Okay, that was more of like the high like as a whole one of the people watching at home. Is the people in the building seemed to be just fine with the yeah, sure from my point of view. So is that what we're talking about here people online? And yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'll just refresh I matches I thought the tag match was the strongest and and that's taking away. Nothing from a lie and leave the Bates bell-to-bell. I just this librarian thing. I'm not a fan yeah of them was being trashed a lot for sure. It's not working. Yeah, it's not working. It's not like they just think it's a bad idea. It's not a bad. Bad idea, it's good. I've been so it's worth the try just don't think it's resonating and and Leyva Bates. I think that there's a million things she could do obviously because she does do a movie after yeah. Well her and Peter both. Yeah, definitely so ya know and if the private party come on, I love that those guys were great. Mmm and you know, I thought their match with Chuck you and Trent was it was fun. I'm not honest. What's a yeah. Okay, the Jew daily the you know the guy from CEO I get it like that. Probably shouldn't have been on there. Maybe I think it was fine for the building. Yeah live but maybe not maybe it should have been on the broadcast. That's that's fair. I actually because there was finding those guys that wasn't like, oh they went out there and was an embarrassment know those guys went out there and worked hard solid in there wasn't you know, I mean, I they did better and a lot of guys. Fucking on shows what? Hmm I don't get me started right televised. You would have been the best match on a lot of shows that I been on the fuck but like for televised wrestling it's really pass fail and they passed. Yeah. So yeah, so I get why people are mad about that. All right. Well moving on let's go ahead and talk about some other news and looking like there might be a new future and stored for impact and it looks like they are actually in talks with Access TV up. It hasn't been confirmed but it was reported by Voices of wrestling who said that they that there is communication or that they have been communicating. So there might looks like a chance that they might be getting out of pursuit which let's face it pursue. It's not really what's best for them. What is this is it isn't it? Oh, that's right. And then they also have their twitch deal as well, which you note which is growing growing more and more obviously, you know, but overall I think that this would be if it impacts were to go with acts as I think this would be a really exciting move for them. Yeah, and then I heard somewhere that apparently if if they actually get this new home with axes are even like another another Network. They're going to be the show that in their first run. Has been on more Network than any other televised show so fun facts for impact if that were to happen distinction. I guess the thing is the company really is other than the name end fact, I mean what's so different about the company? That's even the same it's very different and they've be they've put out they've highlighted certain talent. For example a lie. Yes, they've highlighted certain talent that wasn't highlighted, you know, in other places or you know, kind of boosted them up. And their shows have continuously been good and good and they've been doing a lot of different stuff and mixing a lot of different styles and bringing in like more Lucha guys and influent influent. Sorry, I couldn't talk anymore, but they've been influencing like a lot of different styles in their match in their shows and even their upcoming shows slammiversary that's actually being held in Dallas. And if you recall Mark Cuban owns the Dallas Mavericks, so there's also that connection so it makes you wonder like it's something going to be happening maybe after or is there even a bigger place? This because there are rumors that there might be something store in store. That is bigger than just impact going to access. Okay, I am hoping for something with that company. You know, I mean, they it seems like they put out these TVs but and then I you know, I've heard some people are happy there and you know, they're being stuck in these contracts that aren't paying anything, you know, so hopefully that all changes, you know, like what's up with killer cross. He was asking I think for a six-figure contract that's what happened there. And I know Scarlett board or has also left already. I believe that's a right now. She's still a free agent. She hasn't announced anything. Okay? Yeah, because the last time I checked she was still a free agent and But yeah, no killer cross wants more money. And I think that there is interest for him elsewhere and other things and so I think he's seen that and saying like Okay, you know, if you're not gonna pay me x amount of money that I want to go somewhere else but impact is saying that he's still with them I think for for a longer period I don't know if there's like a few years or I'm not too sure on the actual length if you're in back and you are able to pay what money you need to do it because you don't want to force somebody to stay in a contract and be on your roster be in your locker room. That's carrying around resentment because poisons do the water supply then the rest of the roster and the rest of the locker room and it's not good. I think the unfortunate thing with impact is that they do have a lot of Talent they have been putting a lot of great matches, but because of the networks that they have been on people aren't seeing it. So these guys are going out there they're playing top-notch stuff out there, but maybe it's just the word isn't being spread enough and that's because they're not on a network that can really, you know, maybe they're not maybe they're just they're really trying to keep something alive a brand that it just has too much of a stink on it. I can't be washed off or no point. They still really fond of that fucking impact brand aren't they? Right? And it's because TNA Wrestling was I want to say the bigger the bigger version of this on Spike TV, and that's where the Really comes from sure that if you ask most wrestling fans who aren't familiar with what's happening on him back week-to-week. What they remember is Hogan and Bischoff and like a lot of stuff. They didn't they heard about it. They watched it and they didn't like it. So like getting brand wise that's what they're still dealing with didn't know is that that show where it shouldn't be that way like, why are we still judging something from like something that isn't even happening right now and there's no still try to live off of fucking some are still call it the same thing. Yeah, Denise like they're still trying to trace. They're ladies. There's probably a lot of people out there that aren't really giving it a full fare. I'm sure how sure obviously that is as stigma comes from because a lot of the dedicated fans that watch impact and you know, enjoy the product or some of the ones that have decided to open themselves up to the product, you know, there's a lot of good stuff in a lot of good talent that has been coming out of there. So I just think that I just think that it's somewhat unfair that we're still like, I mean as long as they keep calling it impact that's going to keep happening. Like there's going to be those people that's like I tried it didn't like it. Don't need to try it again. Despite how good they are now and despite how long ago that statement right there. That's I tried it when I was on Spike TV, and it's like they've literally had like 15 different teams, right? Yeah, but that logic is well if it's still Impact Wrestling how different can it be you know, that's that's fair launching. Yeah. Alright. Alright moving on. Let's talk about CM Punk has now countered a counter lawsuit against Colt Cabana a countersuit, excuse me, and this is in response to the suit that Colt Cabana filed in August of 2018 saying that CM Punk didn't pay for certain legal fees that were supposed to be paid for or that he promised to pay for and now CM Punk is claiming that he actually just did spend 1.2 million dollars and that Colt Cabana never reimbursed him for any of that money and therefore is in breach of contract. So they're both sort of like he said/she said sort of thing right now Mmm Yeah. I don't know. I guess you know, I I should have paid more attention to the to the to the board up there when you wrote all this shit down to use because you know, I don't know if I want to weigh in on this it's just sad. Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, fuck that. I'm that way and then on this, okay Moving On Moving On Let's Go. About we mentioned this earlier that we're getting a glimpse of what a new rod with Paul Heyman being part of the creative development or being executive producer of overseeing creative development. It's looking like and it's safe to say that there are definitely some changes being made on Raw. So let's go ahead and just start off with the opening segment Bobby Lashley Braun strowman Falls Count Anywhere Braun strowman running him through the alley D boards and all the Pyro explosions and the huge pop from the audience and even how this was handled via. Here and all of that. Yeah. Yeah way to start things off. Oh God the say this with a bang that that feels like Paul Heyman and Vince McMahon working in tandem. Yeah, I mean after weeks and weeks and weeks of Roz starting with promo after promo of 2 promo. This is a hell of a way to kick things off. Yeah. And until they had a nice six man on starting to show off right? I mean, yeah, Started as a tag and then they went to break and then it turned into a six-month. Oh, okay, what started as a tag because of that fucking shit right to that match though with Corey Graves saying the holy shit word online online on are what did you think about that since a lot of people were surprised that this was said, it's not a big deal honest. I mean, I can't I get to like oh my God, he said holy shit, but like people say shit on cable TV now, right right like, oh, you're not allowed to say that I think just loves I think just what a lot of people are talking about. Is that like if there was a clear indicator that like this might be the first in in the quote-unquote handsome Jim. Also, I guess the one thing that would be kind of surprising is like if there's gonna be any holy shit, you would think would be the third hour sure. They're not, you know the top of the first down. Our right with all kids watch it, right? I don't know what the kids are going to do. Now after they heard someone say, holy shit. I have a lot of kids in my family and I know for a fact they are saying worse things than that just throw out there. But yeah, so yeah moving on you you're talking about the six man. Yeah. It was just it was something different right like okay, here's a match that we haven't seen 20 fucking thousand times already and previous. Week's right. So just a different feel to it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I dig the the Viking Raiders a lot and I think they bring something new to the table on Raw for sure and a good mix with Samoa Joe. They just make one very very hot. And even when they had that exchange with Big E Langston. I was kind of like oh a biggie. I was kind of like, okay. I'm sorry. I keep adding that. I have not let it go apparently names damn it. So you even gonna seem that exchange. It was just They're like, okay, this is cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and in the street Prophet showed up on TV. That was fun. Yeah. I don't think I thought that worked how they were. You know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm split on it myself. I want to get your thoughts on it. But I obviously I'm excited to see them get called up for sure. I what I'm what I'm less excited about is the fact that you need that they got called up so fast after winning the NXT Tag titles. I would like to see one after winning. What are we doing? Like I mean, what was that and and like is that the exactly what he's trying to get we just trying to get like everyone like acquainted with them or just to see where what people I mean duties to kind of, you know, get a reading of what the people are thinking. I don't know sure do we know if that was an official debut or them just starting out? I mean, they literally said the words making their Raw debut. You but whatever that means who's to say, I would prefer Hasty profits. Are this really big deal down in NXT. We're going to give them this brief interview segments to the main roster can know who they are. Sure so that when we call them up months from now people made people don't have no clue. Yeah, which I think the crossover between XT in the main roster is bigger than most who are making these decisions think of it sure. But if that's what you have to do, then those have them on TV, so people know who they are. I like that. If they're just on Raw starting next week, it's it shows a pattern. I'm seeing especially among NXT Tag teams that it's like who's the champ bring them up? Right? Right, right. What about the championship? I don't know right drop it. Yeah, but haven't ornaments we just did that right exactly. Okay, so then there was also the Drew McIntyre Undertaker segment. What did you guys think about that? I thought this was a pretty good both promo song off of Drew and Undertaker take your talked a lot. Usually he taught more than usually doesn't it was good stuff, you know usually like sometimes it's like don't let take her talk too much, but I get everything he said was good and you know seem to get the right responses. Yeah. I like that Matt. I like that Taker and rains. I mean them is team makes sense. No matter who you know who the people on the other side of the ring would be. So like I so I get that, you know. Bring take your back get them on TV help. Maybe the hopefully helps with the ratings. Yeah, and I like that they're building off of the history of like these last few wrestlemanias, you know, the fact that he has this begrudging respect for Roman Reigns because of Orlando and his history with Shaina and Dallas things like that. Yeah. All right. So how about we go ahead and Skip forward and talk about the whole Becky Seth and the whole Maria and Mike Kanellis situation, so it's sort of started off. a backstage segment where Maria comes out and she basically tells Becky and Seth Rollins that they're the real couple of wrestling and she puts over Mike analysis and all of that and then afterwards there in this match a Seth Becky versus Mike and Maria and afterwards it's sort of just goes into something so different about my Canal is not being man enough to basically Maria announces that she's pregnant and she really is and she basically he says that he wasn't man enough to impregnate her and that the only man that was really man enough today was Becky Lynch and maybe Becky Lynch should have impregnated her and it just made my Canales look like very very small. Yeah, what the fuck like I've heard of her. I've read that it was their idea. Really? Yeah. I've heard versions of this. Also, but some like like I heard like one of them are they pitch some kind of a cuck storyline. Uh, she did but yes us fuck she did refer to him as her bitch in a backstage probably. What the hell is this? Okay, like I what the fuck Mike she's great on the we know that she has a good skill. She's plays off again. He'll etcetera but for my viewers this going to what fucking end. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't don't get it if there's like okay if they have a you know, a logical like if they have a destination, they're heading towards and you know, I'm gay and it starts like come together and like some sense is made of it. Okay, I'll fucking maybe come around to it. But right now I'm like what the fuck? Yeah, especially after what the fuck you doing after so many weeks of him kind of passionately defending the work that he's doing on 205 alive. Yeah, definitely interested to see Who's I hate that right? Let me make fucking hate it and hopefully they have a plan moving forward that because you would think it's an interesting pairing that if Murray has a heel manager and then because of the way she treats him. He's a face with the only thing would be the only like logical thing I see and that's it and like yeah, but at some point people are like, okay people feel sorry for you to point. Yeah, the only so much that would be quit being a fucking bitch. Each and then if he has is to do a quick fuck it like because at some point you're just pathetic. Mmm, it's not me feel sorry for you. You just pathetic but we have three weeks until we get there and then if it's like let's say within three weeks. He disliked he has the today's the day. I'm bringing out of this vicious cycle. Oh by the way, the kids not mine. It's Cesaro. And then he works with Cesaro. I could see a long-term story with that plays sure. This wasn't this was a bit of a rocky start for me. Like don't only like way I would like for this to turn out storyline wise as for him. Kicker the fucking curb. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Yeah, that's just storyline wise. I'm not saying it real life because of course people I'm happy like and they just signed a new contract. So, you know, obviously, you know, that's not the issue here. Sure. So and this is this is how you rewarded for trying to do fucking contract five years, right? If she's pregnant and she'll eventually be off the road in the next couple months. And if he isn't they should hopefully be building towards something that that's he can be he can walk out there by himself, right? Okay. All right. So moving on one of the other things that we should talk about. It's Ricochet vs. AJ Styles for the u.s. Title and AJ Styles got a Gallows and Anderson essentially laying out Ricochet afterwards now and I like the stuff, you know, the building up the backstage segments with them that you know that Segment with age and Ricochet slapping each other was an awesome awesome segment. So sure it's all good stuff and I like okay instead of pussyfooting around and like just kind of just you know, like okay and we got a fucking he'll AJ Styles like a legit he all right and I'm happy with that. Yeah, and and hopefully by proxy at elevates Gallows and Anderson as well, you know how that they get elevated by. By it being written into the storyline like you did the TV like okay, we're going to push these guys again, right? That's how they get elevated. They've all I think they've always been like I've always been ready for it. Sure. Oh God. Yes, so I'm just been like floating around. So it feels like shit. We've had glimpses of them here and there even prior moments with AJ throughout throughout since AJ's been there, but nothing really actually came of it with like a little You like it there, but we're not doing anything with it yet. Mmm. It's weird. How like What motivates? people to go from putting on like Roz that everyone's complaining about to own a sudden we have a You know last night people are fucking universally praising it. Yeah, so what the fuck like I mean, why do we have to get to this point for this kind of shit to happen What fascinates me is if they put on if the announcement hadn't happened last week about Eric Bischoff and Paul Heyman, and then they put on this raw would we be would there be as much Sizzle and steak to this raw that we'd all be like, oh, it's the Paul Heyman era Everything's changed, right if we didn't know that that had happened. I think it's the opposite. I think if we didn't know that people would be talking even more about our differences. I think so for sure because now I think this is giving people a reason to go like oh, well, that's why I have an idea what that have you ever seen like we're with network shows where they'll like do. They'll just do like a special like okay unscripted or somewhere where they just kind of like, I think they should do an episode of Raw like that like and they and promoted as this raw unscripted. What a whole episode where everyone just kind of goes out there their magic. They produce their own matches. They fucking they go out there and say what they want to say without being scripted just give them bullet points and watch how many fucking people too. To see that sure a fuck ton of people watch that just to see ya good. Yeah, so it sounds cool to Fantastic it on the Marty. I was like scripted and that sounds like something you could get over without using TV time where it's just Paul Heyman from his Twitter says next Monday. This is what I'm doing, right and you know, you never see him on TV other than the advocate for Brock Lesnar, but on Twitter, he made it clear as executive Creator creative person. Yeah. This is what we're doing next week. Sure. All right, let's get the fuck out of here. All right. All right. So before we go guys don't forget to follow us on Twitter and on Instagram Facebook @ X Pac-12 360 and Xbox One to 360 show on YouTube. We are youtube.com X /x Park and we're about to hit 10,000 subscribers. So that's very exciting daily Clips weekly shows you can find that on there. You can also find us on Spotify anchor Stitcher and apple pie. Cat you guys can find me on Twitter and on Instagram @ underscore Denise El Sayed. Oh, so you've doing start it off. You guys find me on Twitter almost exclusively at Steve Kaufman then it's KU f ma and I'm involved in a lot of YouTube Pages if I'm tweeting a link chances are involved in Thai. Yeah. 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Welcome to my life cuz it is supplied episode 282. This program is dedicated in memory of David Ben yechezkel, Haleiwa. We are now on the week of parsis Vieira. the fourth Parsha from the beginning of Genesis of gracious of course means we've been entered we've entered into the new year into the New World created on Rosh Hashanah Sanctified on Yom, Kippur celebrated on sulcus and now the Jakob whole Aquatica as we've been discussing in the previous week's yaakov, which means each one of us goes on our journey on our way and you and I each of us is traveling life is a journey and a And in the words of the all today, but we live with art with the times. Let me that site which helps us navigate this journey and make sure this journey is going taking us to the right places avoiding the wrong places and as well as going the right places to know how to travel how fast the travel house load to travel how to absorb and how to learn from all our experiences and fulfilling our greater calling for which our soul came down to earth. So that's a general introduction. Auction to what Tate it teaches us Taylor Malaysian Hydra Toyota is a guide and instruction manual an operator's manual life's operators manual. If you wish a blueprint as the measures says in the rebbe excites very often a blueprint for life and each Pasha has its particular message that relates to that week and it's messages to us in that leg of the journey. So when I'm passionate evaluator, and we will talk about a few lessons. From this Parsha and of course I've spoken about this in previous years, so I will cross reference but let's begin with some thoughts and some of the private right here is filled with many many messages many lessons and it's actually the first time we find that God Appears to someone we have it before as well. But a pastor that should begin that a shammgod repairs to avraham avinu who was sitting at the 10th. He was healing from the Bliss that were told about in the previous chapter. Oh and a shame comes to visit him. This is where we derive the mitzvot bigger Harlem to visit the sick. We learn from God. He came to visit of Rome as he was healing and then we learn the next midst of from the next event that happens right at the beginning of the chapter that while God is visiting of Rome of Rome raises his eyes and sees three strangers three Arabs Nomads traveling and he turns to them to greet them and invite them in he did not know they were angels. He thought they were just Nomads and he greets them. And from there. We learn the Mitzvah of ochronosis organ another great Mitzvah inviting and welcoming guests. We even learned from the fact that I've ROM and Abraham turned from God to greet these guests. That de la crosse's argument God. Let me play it got moved. They'll across the circle in the Kabbalah. Kabbalah has been asking that is greater to greet guests than the receive the Sheena God himself. Tremendous lesson. However, how did I from Avenue know we learn it from a room? How did he know God doesn't make appearances every day once in historical moment. God comes to visit you even if a human being came to visit you in the hospital God forbid or some of your healing you don't just turn away to greet another guest. And here are from Edina turns away to greet the guests from which we derive this lesson and this statement that it's so great. And the answer is quite obvious. When you think about it. I've room was completely dedicated to a life not of his own to what God wants. So he realized and understood very clearly that when three Nomads three Wanderers are traveling through a desert and you don't greet them that in a way is defying God. It's an insult to God so he wasn't turning away from the screen. He was turning away from his Brilliance of God coming to visit him and turning to them was they are created in the Divine image and he's greeting them to honor them and he's honoring God and God was not insulted. This was actually a sign that he's a truly God-fearing person. So someone who turns to God and ignores other people in the name of loving God in a way is also not loving God and the words that brought and I aim to this brings that not only do you love God, but you also love what God loves and who does he love his people so Aroma understood that and understood that was even a deeper way because he could have just had the pleasure of greeting God and that would have been for him good like they said so they can pulse that's either going to fur coat when it's warm when it's cold in the room puts on a fur coat but only he's warm deeper level what I will cost it. Is he lights a fire fireplace. So everybody gets warm including himself. This was the point. So it's a tremendous lesson in life about our relationship with God and with each other and never Should religion in any way compromise our love of other people because when you love others your loving God and maybe in a deeper way the famous story with Alta debe mitla debe and they were they were both studying. They were living in the same building the same house and a child began to cry for a lot of the crib. The middle rubber was so immersed in so engrossed in his learning. He did not hear the cry. I'll tell Debbie didn't came and took care of the child and later were reprimanded the mitla debe for not hearing kale yellowed beta Cry of a child who is learning tailored isn't that admirable he could then here it wouldn't hear anything any distractions. No, but a child is crying and you're learning Ted. That means there's something missing it's subtle because you learn exact wasn't doing other things. God forbid. Means you learn in Tennessee, you are benefiting but in the process others can be neglected the importance of understanding of that loving God and loving others is one and the same as Hillel told the potential convert when he said tell me the entire Torah standing on one foot my doll. Look Sonny. Look a vehicle is David zuikou little cooler either purusa the ultimate the entire Torah is what don't do unto others that which you dislike being done to you. This is the entire Torah and everything else is commentary, but the tour include so much more than just interaction with others. But the end of the day even kosher even Shabbos even the midst has been on the market between us and God if they in some way are not about refining you as Ultrabooks planes in chapter 32 and Tanya is something missing. That's the whole Center the whole Cornerstone and Foundation is that it refines you that makes Spirit more powerful than matter, which is the essence of love as he explains there. Now. She goofy occur naturally enough shriek of a goofy TOEFL that the spiritual More powerful than the body which is allows us to transcend our own self self and self interest and loving other people. So the whole table is for that purpose and it goes hand in hand. When you see a dissonance where people may be more religious between them and God and they ignore others or hurt others. There's something fundamentally missing even in their relationship with God is not like they have something they are missing, you know one detail. They're actually missing the entire bolt. So it's probably better than nothing but it's important especially specially to mention today when we see people sometimes get caught up in their own religiosity which even turns them against others in the condescension and judgment and prejudices and so on it's goes antithetical to the whole Essence and this is a tremendous lesson from the first verse in this week's chapter there many more lessons. So I've discussed it in previous episodes. I'll cross-reference 87 137 186 and 232 though. I don't like to repeat and like to cross-reference frankly this Multicolored message I must have mentioned before as well because it really speaks to me and I think it's so important in our generation especially to emphasize so be it doesn't hurt to emphasize it more than once okay with this. Let me make that announcement that here we have citizen applied that cam is a recently new website that we created specifically for this program and other Hasidic resources applying them to our lives exactly as the name suggests. It has supply.com. So you have they're all the archived. Episodes now 281 episodes and this one will be can be seen there as well. You can also embed it on any website wherever you may be because it's all done through YouTube. You can also access time-stamped and the YouTube version time stamps. You can go to the topic exactly that you're searching for. You also have their form the a completely Anonymous form where you can write any question. Every question is welcome. I will address week after week because the many questions Times it takes a little while till I get to it, but it will be addressed and as well as all the essays the last five years of the annual popular my life has supplied and essay contest as well as other resources on some of evolved and I in vaes and continuously growing as we try to take siddhis and apply it to our lives by addressing the deepest ideas in contemporary and relevant and personal psychological emotional terms. With that, let me go to a few questions that are actually related to this week's chapter as well. Divine revelation Tarver on how did I vram know that it was God talking to him and that hallucination? Maybe it was a loser Nation the same question can be asked about all the new VM all the prophets and even Montara. Is it possible that there was a phenomenal a phenomenal natural occurrence and that it wasn't really what they thought it was or maybe was a mahlock or some other Spirit. How can we know for sure that their interpretation of their experience was accurate? very good question The truth is I believe the Rumba member and overcome made discuss it as well as some other of the early cream like the extremely abusive Alba and perhaps even a moon is the days of the last leg and the kuzuri but it was I but full disclosure. I did not really look it up there. If anybody has information, please share it with me. I will definitely look it up, but I want to to because it was this week's chapter. Let me address it in in what is based on other ideas and things that we know about From different sources. But again if someone has a specific source with discuss directly, please share it and I will of course share it with the listening audience few things need to be made clear. Let's start to talk about Mountain Toyota and and the VM and of Rama V. No, we're not talking about little children here. We're not talking about people who are immature or impressionable and did not know what spirituality is you're talking about people with seasoned experienced skeptic see even who've seen the worst remember of removing a grew up in a home of idolatry and idolaters. His father was an atom manufacturer he and I don't mean and Idols was not just a childish thing. I'll was a sophisticated way of replacing God as maimonides rambam explains in the beginning of he'll serve a deserter. It had a whole spiritual Dimension and it had Masters and has Sorcerers and it had all kinds of powers some were maybe brat real but some more real the problem was they independently divorce themselves from God So Rome was not unknown to him spiritual experiences. So once you're dealing with a person like that who's gone through a lot that we talked about yesterday. You say was a master whose acquaintance he was a master of all the wisdoms including spiritual wisdoms. And then he said at the audacity now, I see that your God is greater than all the gods meaning everything. He's seen we're talking about people who are professionals think of a scholar whose went through as a master of the topic and he says so you can imagine it's coming. My very profound place and one that is resonating. You don't have to wait till this partial you can talk about the fact that our symptoms of attack from to do that Kayden which will speak about shortly which is to bind his son and sacrifice him. How does he know it was God maybe was a loser nation and which would make it much easier because he had experienced and he had gone for a search of rum Avenue did from his youngest age seeking God and when he came and became obvious to him what God is about it. Resonated within it wasn't just some some con artist or charlatans coming and telling him something. Now all you men beings are human beings even on avraham avinu. So there's no question that he had criteria that made it very clear that this is coming from the true God and the same thing with the Jews. I'm not into the same thing with the prophets. These were people who were experienced. Remember the Jews are Martin Taylor though. They had gone through a terrible bondage and Exile in Egypt. They were children and grandchildren of of Rome heatstroke yaakov - rotten the tribes people who spend their entire lives studying praying meditating. In connecting to the Divine. So again, we're talking about people who are very very familiar with what godliness has same question can be asked. How could they say? NASA vanish Mama as the gemara speaks about this that past that ask the question. What kind of nation is this a Russian Nation you give them a contract you don't even read it. You just say I accepted without looking at the the what it says the fine print you don't need to do that would sign a contract without reading it. What's the answer the answer is the Jews than that meet God at Sinai. They were already that hundreds of years that they were dating. If you wish they were very familiar with God has about and they witnessed it. They understood in Egypt and witnessed in The Exodus from Egypt. So now the question is, you know, how long can you date? Are you ready to consummate? Are you ready to get engaged and get married? So if they were beginning the day they could say we got to know you need to get to know you. They knew it. They knew God. So now God says time has come to consummate. Let's marry. Let's commit to each other formally officially after from of, you know had already formally already informally intimate cerveza had already committed. So when you think of that backdrop thing, it's a whole different story. Another additional points, especially by Martin Teta wasn't one person. It was millions of people. Which of course is also used by the Kusa t as evidence starkel evidence. It wasn't one person said something happened to me and everyone believed him. They all witnessed and experienced something and no one denied it. So with avraham avinu individual you could say there was no one else there. And that's why the tail is stuck in that built and of Rome's are the revelation of God the divine revelation. Tavern was built on Matt and Tara. So that is the central picture of it. Now, of course these people always anything happened. They always second-guessed and question. Where's it coming from is this truly a Divine voice and they definitely had means and techniques and methods to test make sure it's objectively true. Not just something that they want to happen as again, we're talking about a caliber of people who had honesty transparency Integrity. We're not looking to come and sell something to anyone and this of course is time tested. From didn't sell it. So that means he was not a gay bird over here. You know, someone comes to sell you that God appeared to me in a wants you to give me a million dollars to build my synagogue you can be wary of that. So that's the overall answer to that question. But how do you explain that cater? And this week's partial? We also have the story of that cave. Closer to the end. I've never heard a rational explanation about that Cade. How was it that of ROM listen to a voice telling him to kill his son, isn't it? Yeah added value of it. Yahwah means in a lot of kill someone if the diet but died before you kill somebody else three sins that you cannot. You cannot do that. You cannot you have to die before you do that idolatry murder and And The Vedas are adult. Sorry Dollar Tree murder. Can't believe I remember the third one. Okay, because diamond come to me in the moment. Is it possible that of ROM failed the test but because the Taylor doesn't discuss negative things about so they came it says that he passed it starting with the second question. I'll give her eyes gilja rice which means incest or some inappropriate sexual relations. Those are the three just had a moment to blank. Okay, relevant us of course is however is murder. So is it part of course, he didn't know the tail is telling us that untruth if the traitor State Assembly. That's not even a possibility. So I don't even want to even entertain that question. If that if he'd failed the test, I'll just use corn even if you go with this logic then what is it enough to tell us the whole story altogether. So if you believe that they do you believe that they do you can't believe half of it. So there's no question. It actually happened. Let me compound the question and respond. There's many different explanations on that kada, but there's one that always speaks. Everyone has their Quest answer that speaks to you. This one I think is a very one that I've used many times in explaining that idea, but it's not by no means the only explanation. The same Pasha this week's by should we read how a shame God tells through the mouth tells them of Rome that's doing the wicked city of Durham is going to be destroyed. Now, what's up drums reaction, you would think finally we've all had the age-old question why the wicked prosper and the good suffer and the righteous suffer? Finally the getting what the what's due to them the wicked city is dumb. So I've Robinson is celebrated. Or at least quietly said finally what does he do? He goes to pray for them on their behalf a whole chapter just to say how he's praying. He is challenging God a shameful collectively Ash. But yeah some issues but the judge of the entire universe is not going to do judgment people say maybe there's some righteous people and it goes back and forth. As a matter of fact God even has a consideration not to tell of ROM his plans because you know, I've wrong with challenging but then he does say I'm Cassidy my room. I'm not going to conceal my So in the same chapter you see how much of our raw material is my son every goes into and challenges God Wicked people that they shouldn't be killed. And then the same breath almost in the same breath. We read his own son. Listen boy 37 year old boy, you could say an innocent person who is not in any way deserving. He doesn't challenge God. Does that make any sense? So if I drama Vino was the so to speak a tough guy and aggressive person and he's always looking to Gloria Gloria dick dousche even meaning discipline from holy place that you could say. He's not a compassion. I'm so fine. So he God says do this. Things he just does but it's a challenge is God. We see as cresset. We see his compassion. Where's his compassion for his only son has been to Africa. I said I have to your son your only son the one you love. Where's the compassion? Why doesn't he challenged gonna say? Why? What do you want from this so clearly I've Rama V know as I mentioned before new much more about God than we can imagine. There wasn't something God appeared to them and kill your son sacrifice your son bind your son, which is Keith says binders and arcade. Had just come out of nowhere. Yeah be a big question of removing a sudden. He's doing such a thing goes against human nature gives against God's law even to kill somebody your own child, but he had a very deep experience with God. He was already tested nine times. This was the 10th test so you can test out real tests, so he had a relationship with God. So he knew of God is asking for that. It's coming from a benevolent place. He may not have understood why or maybe he may have we don't know but he knew is not killing he knew it was not a sacrifice. Vice in vain there was a deeper reason for it and he just followed that he did it quickly. He didn't procrastinate as the ultra devil says Nagisa kadish. So what how do you explain that? And as I said, it's very violent very glaring that something's going on here. So here's one answer one answer is this We see the end of the story that it was never meant to be. So anyone comes and brings the story as an example of human sacrifice God for but know that here and not any case of human sacrifice God forbid trigger is completely completely abhor such a concept. So why was it even a consideration? The end Shane comes and says no do not do this. Mala comes on do this and roam Avenue replaces you talk with a set that with with a the with The deer of the animal that he brings us an offering instead of Yitzhak. So one of the explanations is unbelievable explanation. We parents whoever was apparent place to be a parent. We try our best to bring up our children. We're not perfect. We sometimes can hurt our children. We sometimes do things misinformed or sometimes due to our own mistakes our own errors. Sometimes a deliberate less deliberate. Sometimes we're out of control. How do you assure that a parent love a child in the best possible way when you realize that the child is not yours. It's God's child. You don't love your child only because if The connection because that could be a selfish connection that could actually end up being hurting your child. You think I own my child my child an extension of me. My child embarrasses me many parents said, what are you doing to my reputation? We want things for our children because it makes us look good or because we think that's the right standard and the process trample on a child's needs. How do you prevent that by recognizing that's not your child. You were given a child to guard and protect and to ring up like a gardener to take care of the child and nurture the child, but the child belongs to God. And if you don't know that human error and human mortality human flaws can end up hurting children. What a shame wanted to achieve here was to show of Rama V know it's like you love your son. It's all pink on your kids. Are your only son you love him. Yes. Let's make this love deeper than human love. Let's make it a Divine love and how can you do that? The only way is to go out of your comfort zone because no father would ever even consider such a behavior of even considering hurting his child. No, you are from a Vineyard that compassionate of Rama V. The one that loves your child and you're a loving person. I am God and I'm telling you to do this and what happened as a result that now I've run with you know came to appreciate that his love for his child is not just his is because God gave him this child and he proved it by saying I'm ready to forego my biological natural inclination and love of my child for what God wants to God who gave me this child. It has to be for the good and it was for the good. Ended up being for the good that what now, this love was infused the biological of remain but it was now fused with eternity of a Divine element because he was ready to listen to God and go against his own paternal Instinct had the story never happened. I've run would have continued loving it slow, but we would never know the extent of it and how much he was ready to love and how deep it went. Then now has become Divine and now the story is forever immortalized not just When we redid this week's chapter every day. We say it in the evening. We cited Rosh Hashanah. It's the reading of the Torah again and again because we invoke that event because we want to infuse the love of our children with a love of God and the only way to do it was by saying, let's see if he's ready to deprive himself of his biological of go out of your comfort zone. You don't love your childhood because you love him and therefore I love him. So whatever I say is going to go know you love them because God loves him and God gave him to you you The biological caretaker that's one explanation on this topic. So I'm sure more and let's move on with that. And okay. This is somewhat of a follow-up last week was less Luca and I spoke about that message. So we have a question or asking how can one find what their personal luck local challenge is as explained X is that everybody needs to go out of their comfort zone. So I felt since we're coming from Locke Locke. I don't want to wait till next year to talk about it. Let's just say a few words about that. Well, it follows straight from that K decayed of course is an extreme version Comfort zones sound beautiful, but they are the force may be the most single powerful force that stops us from growing. I'm comfortable. I'm fine. Comfort zone. Three chapter 15 and Tanya powerful chapter about a vodyanoy avoided what means to serve what means not this even if you do something beautiful, but you're doing it out of routine and pattern and have it it's a comfort zone the times of the talmud ultra besides from the gemara manaka-san chapter 15 and Tanya there was the custom to study something hundred times to review a hundred times who does that but that was the custom so it's called Leah vo D. You didn't serve It's a routine. That's what everybody does the hundred. And first time that one extra time outweighs all the hundreds, but you can't get to the one without the hundred but why because you've made a qualitative shift, you've gone beyond your regular routine. So let's look was essentially that personalizing that can be applied to every area of life. Whether it's study of Torah to go beyond a little extra minute or qualitatively deeper another class. S prayer of course the same thing a little more quality a little more focus of a leadership role of a little more before Monica and of course the third pillar will discuss Adams duck charity to go and give a little more than you've given not just the regular ad that's why we always increase its going out of the comfort zone which in turn opens up new channels because if you do what you did you'll get what you got. You want more do more and that's true in every area in life. So that's one way of explaining a lot clock ought to go out of your own comfort zone. Another way. I've discussed in previous years is to go out of your subjectivity. That's a come a lot from the base of Viva three forms of subjectivity. Trap has one is our natural self-interest are natural subjectivity. Number two is our parental influence is based on vehicle. And number three is article which is social pressure the people around us peer pressure and so on all these things can distort us really discovering Ela editor Shadow Rica discover who you really are. I reckon that goes on the land that goes on you because as long as you're under the influence of your own subjectivity or parents or pairs and social maybe you're doing it because of them. You don't know who you are. So local has a self-discovery journey in that sense. Was a few points and with that let's move to the next question since we talked about parents and children and it's a vital point about parents and children. Here's a question on the topic of children and parents what can a child do if he's having issues with his parents and they don't respond. What would you suggest to a young Bakker young man? Which felt from a very young age as parents aren't helping him out not showing love ignoring his issues not doing acts of service for him favoring favoring other siblings over him punishing him for no reason father not being a Duke Micaiah a living example kids is kids is dying to leave home the kid is dying to leave home as he doesn't feel comfortable living at home the kid tried bringing it up to his parents, but father just makes fun of the boy for asking such a question. So the book will give up trying even trying to mend the relationship. Never comes the topics like this. You'll hear the same thing from me before I get to the actual topic. This is a narrative coming from whoever wrote this whether it's the Sun or it's a friend or someone else and every narrative always has more to it. I'm not questioning the truth of this narrative, but what would the parents say? They were sitting here and heard this and they and it was speaking to an objective person like myself. What would they say do they have a different perspective do they have see the child differently is the child accurately really conveying again? I'm not invalidating God forbid and not in any way dismissing was silencing them sentiments involved but to grow to actually give good advice. You need to know the facts as much as possible part of the fact is this boy this bunker feels this way. That's a given. I'm a think. He's writing to me if it doesn't if someone doesn't feel this way, but the question is what else is On I was very possible. It's exactly this the parents are really not they're neglecting for some reason prejudicing him and prejudice against him and argon are hurting. So all this needs to be determined and very difficult to do in a program like this where it's one way. I don't know who wrote this and I don't want to know and I don't know all the details in context with that must be addressed at the same time. Let me say a few points considering that I would not leave any stone unturned as a child as a Bakker go to siblings go to friends find the way get somebody to communicate in your behalf to your parents. And they make fun of you but someone serious in a discreet way in a respectful way. We're not talking about something that will embarrass because parents may be embarrassed by that, but I would not leave any stone unturned And I wonder what that was tried and if it wasn't why not? So try that now you could say the parents ignore that day. They won't come speak in them say it's none of your business. Okay. Well you have to do everything in your power to do what you have to do to see if you can reach the second thing is is to get people involved get person involved knows the family who knows the parents and they may have advice they may actually say these are parents. You can't get through. They have a lot of issues again. I don't want to make that conclusion and come be presumptuous, but that may be possible. It may be possible on the other hand that there may be a way in there. Maybe I love I must be somebody they know now, is it the responsibility of the bucket to do all this the truth is the parents should but if it's really a problem you can just divorce your parents. Now look if end of the day everything you do doesn't work. I'll get to that last you still have your life to live and I know people grew up in very abusive homes and they built lives. I just don't want to go there because that's the last resort. So I would do everything possible to reach to them. If you can't do it through others sometimes older siblings can do it. And again, it's not to shame anyone. It's to get them to the table. Let's address issues now very often. There's new do New Revelations come out when you start digging. I've have situations where events have happened that are not talked about when that child was young. He may have seen something a mother and father may not have liked what he saw. There may be other things that have happened that the parents and the family Secret is a lot of options and from experience. I can tell you that we I have no clue but with a smoke this fire, which means you need to look at everything and see what's going on because it could also be infecting other members of the family. So and finally if all else fails you still have your life to live find healthy influences talk too much. Beer talk to someone that can understand understands you and get guidance to to find your journey in life. Life, you're a bottle figure out how to go through school finish the right Point get married build your life and family and that's ultimately you can control your destiny as much as your challenges may have been even if your parents are not there for you. But again, that's not been established and that needs to be established. Okay? Now reiterate again parents can hurt children. I'm not going to go cues parents every time something's happening. But as I said before with our from of you know, it's vital. It's not about you as a parent. It's about God and that's also what the Rebus said to an individual how not to hurt this children not to hit the street. He was physically abusive to his children. These are not your children. These are God's children and parents must know that sanctity same time children have to respect their parents and we've spoken about that as well. And I want to refer to several episodes episode 13 and 14 64 120 and 199. next this is one about social anxiety. Let's see here. It's not a short question. How can I deal with social anxiety? Is that social anxiety to its two questions I have in this topic and it's a topic we've addressed in the past. So let's go dear Rabbi Jacobsen your the top on my podcast list and I greatly benefit from the way you explain a put life into perspective along as long with your vast Insight. Thank you so much. My question revolves around the topic of social anxiety. I'm a 20 year old from girl. Who has been through the system the last few years. I've been struggling with intense social anxiety and has gotten worse in the last year or so. I want so much to be that girl who has a steady job hangs out with friends after work and is looking for a shit a match on the outside. I am that girl but most people can't see the huge internal struggle. I'm dealing with I'm almost every in almost every social situation. I'm constantly on guard and sweating heart beating worried. I'm going to be asked about myself. And I'm afraid to open up an even more afraid. I have nothing important going on in my life to share. I constantly feel like I've been doing more interesting things in order for me to have stuff to say so no matter what I add into my day to be more interesting. I still can't think of how and what to say in order to just connect in a satisfying way with somebody everything. I do I say, it's not me. I don't enjoy it. The thing is with all this on the outside. I hold myself with poison. Nobody would notice I have social skills and etiquette and I'm extremely in tune with myself and people as well. I know just what to say. I know what just what to say to everyone I can carry on small talk, but once it gets past the point of small talk and actually getting to know me I can't seem to go there or just casual Shabbos Mill conversations. I feel like I have nothing to share and I go blank. I don't like holding a job because I feel this Way around co-workers and I feel like I'm bringing social awkwardness and uncomfortable feelings to them as well. Even if there is well to them as well. Even if they think I'm nice and normal. I almost feel bad that on the outside. I looked normal and they thought that they were getting a cute co-worker but really I can't seem to break in and be one of them who talks about anything under the sun and whatever is on their mind and makes friends with each other when I go to work every one is known for something and I know about their life, but it always bothers me that I'm not like that. That I'm very comfortable with my parents and some family members with and with them. I'm funny at feel and feel at ease. I crave social connections and relationships, but it's so hard for me to have one because it's hard for me to just relax and be I feel like it's so hard to get to know me if I hang out with friends and they say that's knew how you've been feel. Like what's new how you been? I feel like I've nothing to say or quickly try and think of the best answer while being in panic mode when they go on should have dates. It's so hard for me. Connect when I'm sweating not in the present moment and uncomfortable. And in this mode of of putting on the show, I feel so unsatisfied when I'm talking to most people so many things go through my mind during the conversations. I can't keep track or we are talking about I want so much to get married. I have a family. I know I have so much to give to someone and I'm very emotionally wise but I don't know how to bring this out when I'm just so uncomfortable in my own skin. Please share your Insight and advice on this it would mean so much to me. Really appreciate and thank you for inspiring myself. And so many PS. I did get help the last year for this and it boiled down to keeping busy accepting. This is who I am without judgment. I'm still struggling with I'm still struggling though. I want to be able to sit at the shop as table and feel uh, and not feel uncomfortable or worried. If friend will ask me what's new and I'll Panic thank you. I read the entire thing because I received many letters in a deal with many people and I felt that there are others that may be may be valuable for them, too. Hear what this person is feeling and going through and of course my response that I'll share now a second question on this topic is social awkwardness. What does talks to the say about social awkwardness? Thank you so much for your insightful weekly videos. Okay, as always its case by case and it was much be easy but easier and more probably productive to speak to you face-to-face run the phone, but let me say this because I know many people struggle with these issues and not All are ready to speak to someone not only ready to publicize it and actually publicize I don't mean going in the streets. But I mean to feel that they have confidence confidence and Trust as I mentioned before where there's smoke there's fire. I would like to go through the list of some of the called Usual Suspects quote-unquote of what could cause a person to be this way. Of course, there's always the issue. There's always the possibility of something medical some chemical imbalance something that may need a National help and maybe even medication even though I'm not a medication guide, but the fact is that if we have that can help relieve people's anxiety that may be possible but it's also very likely and very and something that needs to be explored. Maybe I shouldn't say very likely explore other possibilities. Usually this type of discomfort is a result very often of having an experience or more than experience that caused this awkwardness because our natural healthy child even though We're all know. None of us are perfect grows up as friends as pretty comfortable. Why would someone be uncomfortable with others is something happens if some way your violated and this can be physically emotionally sexually in other ways and you lose trust in someone it could be mild that could be intense and that causes a certain fear and insecurity in Social settings. It's interesting you say with your parents your well doing well. Okay, I would explore that as well what that means how far? Can you speak to them about this? Is there anyone you can speak to about this that is of course a first step because maybe some memories will come up. Maybe it'll strengthen your because you've expressed it. Remember there's also the fear of the fear itself the fear of looking bad. Why would you look bad because that's how you think of yourself a low self-esteem. So these are some of the usual suspects there may be more we can be bullying a result of bullying it be result of other things some unresolved issues that with parents or with friends or with strangers that you yourself may not yet fully be fully aware of but there are symptoms here that indicate we should be looking at that. So that's why it's hard to serve eyes what to do because depending on what are the causes that would be addressed in the proper way, but I will say this the way to deal with the way to build trust in yourself the way to overcome the panic and fears is to do it slowly to find friends even one two, three that you can trust and To start slowly once you develop trust and confidence and you see people who won't judge you that builds more confidence that allows you then to engage with other people to just go to a party is going to be difficult in this type of circumstances. So I think that one of above all is to create small relationship when I say small individual relationships see what happens. Are you do you have any friend that's close to you? And if not, why can't you find one and they're good friends that will that you can Can confide in obviously you have to have to earn your trust same thing with siblings or family members. So these are all suggestions that I think piecemeal. If you do it step by step. It makes it easier now obviously your age where you should be dating already at 20 years old. So you go dating or say it's a catch-22. I don't I'm going to panic I would say that I would encourage dating because I think to learn how to swim you have to jump into the water. You can't just constantly see yourself as a pariah that I'm not capable of it, but We have a coach maybe have a friend someone that can help you along the way and hold your hand that you can discuss this with. This is some basic principles and my heart goes out to you. But know this you can overcome this every human being deserves in her confidence self-esteem security and have the courage to engage. And therefore I give you my vote of confidence. There's no question. If you apply yourself and have the right people you can overcome this and I've seen it been overcome and grow into a far more socially comfortable person with people you meet and so on but you have to do the work and that's some of the thoughts I had so as far as what Toyota City say, I just said buttocks. It is say there's more on the topic and I discussed an episode 265 specifically and is actually one of the essays submitted. This year's contest SI episode reviewed and episode 273 also addresses this topic, okay. But if anybody wants to weigh in on this you have other thoughts you've gone through this and what you have done, please it's enough. Nothing is more powerful than hearing from someone that's gone through such an experience and learn to grow from it. What did you do? How did you handle it that Grace gives tremendous strength and credibility to those that went through something. They're going through social anxiety. Excuse me. the next question stuck and upset What can I do about feeling stuck in my life? So this two-part question. Yeah. I'm angry. I feel stuck in a Cupboard life. I have five children. I'm a I'm a sloka and I find it all overwhelming. My house is chaotic and I have no desire to pull up my socks to create structure and Harmony every week. I clutch. It's a monthly mood cycle happening. Weekly. I feel fake and stuck. I have to maintain my externalities on my life. But I'm so stuck in forcing it all the time. I crash way too often and just force myself to keep going don't know what my question is. Just feeling stuck. Part 2 same person wrote a little later. Read my letter that I'd regarding the letter. I just sent in I want to add I listened to your recent talk unhappiness that you have to the base Rifka girls and was particularly taken by your quote from the rebbe and not delving into Taurus problems, but just empowering that you can get past the challenges. Thank you. So there you go. You've answered your own question. So first of all this talk that I gave is online. You can access it. I believe on the city supply.com Website and also on our YouTube channel because it has supplied YouTube channel My Life YouTube channel, and if you don't find it, it should be posted shortly this topic so you can answer your own questions exactly right again, I don't know the details and I'm sure there's more to the story than what meets the eye, but I will say this. We all have two voices one voice that's negative that sees the challenges that sees the difficulties that sees the paint but there's another voice the beautiful voice. The voice that's created in the Divine image the voice of Hope. The voice of optimism the voice of transcendence going Beyond yourself says difficult. As this may be the key thing is not to dwell and immerse yourself in your own wallow in your own and your own fears in your own pain. I don't know why you're stuck. I don't know why you feel that way and I'm going to address that in a moment, but I will say the first thing is you got to get yourself involved in something positive. Not just busy good things your sloka. Is there nothing good that you can report people you work with and one and that's what you need to reinforce and strengthen and that will counter the negative because the only way to fight darkness is with light. Now as far as the reasons that's the thing that really is complicated here because how am I supposed to answer that? I don't know what the reasons are is I would ask questions is your marriage healthy and intact. How's your relationship with your children? How's your relationship with yourself with your parents? What's going on? As I said we need to look at The Usual Suspects what's causing you to feel stuck? Have you always felt this way? What changed so without answers to that you can imagine you can't you can't give a diagnosis and definitely not a treatment plan and advice if that note that knowing that but let's assume the stuck is some type of stage in your life. You know, you're going through routines. Maybe things are boring the question then is what support do you have is your husband there for you? Our friends siblings family others community members. Therefore you can you call upon them. Can you do skin involved in a project that you really enjoy a hobby maybe go swimming maybe spa maybe exercise something that you feel proud of yourself at the end of the day. That's how we get unstuck. So I don't know the level of this Tucker's now if it's one that's maybe clinical form of depression. You may need a medical professional. So all this needs to be And determined in order to answer the question more fully but I think I've given enough instruction of how to proceed and as always if you want to follow up please do so and I say this to all the questioners and anyone listening to the program next question unrelated. I will say there are programmed before that I've spoken about this, but I see I didn't cross reference. Not sure why. talking in shul The rabbi Jacobsen. What can we do about talking and shoulder about Jacobson? Thank you for your weekly broadcast. I often listen and really enjoy it. I'm wondering what can be done regarding talking and show. I know that it says in Exodus and halacha about not doing it absolutely famous letter for the outfit about the evolve evolve. But what does it say about how to change it? It is impossible to take away a person's free choice. But what options does it leave for those that want the David properly. It seems that everyone knows it's wrong but very few are willing to do anything. Worst of all is that many of our bonnyman off are often the ones encouraging it some even act as if it is a Mitzvah. It is just shocking and if anyone dares protest the talking their scorn at by The Spits Chabad Spits means that the point of kibosh pits companies like see themselves at the Pinnacle of hebat ultimate combat what to do regards? Okay. Well, there's no question is how locking hypocrite a hypocrite hypocrite everything that happening you spending with females Malcolm with my college buddy. Who and should be between you and God and nothing else. Unfortunately, there are some shows and their people relaxed about this. So how do you address that? And what should one do so let's first establish the standard the standard is it should be unacceptable zero towns, but in a realistic level, what should you start yelling at people who are speaking? Will that work? I'm member a letter someone wrote to the ribbon. He's gay actually shared it with me. He gave me the letter and the debit. He was just beginning to become going to show so he had problem because he was very impatient person and he was very not tolerant of people speaking and shown there was someone right near sitting right in front of them that would speak and show she has the devil what to do. Should he go to another shooter? Yell at this guy? What should he do the rebbe answered in this? Trevor said next time you see someone speaking Shoal think to yourself. Look how beautiful a Jew even a Jew who speaks of sure wants to come to show. Just showing a share that this of course. No way. Is this a license? And justifying speaking. But in this case he needed to hear that because he needs to do what he has to do and it was not the job for him to yell at the people because it was more about him working on himself and not being impatient but speak nishal is absolutely a logically and altered ever writes about it. And unfortunately, it's one of the things people are lakhs. So like all problems that become I don't call an epidemic but are everywhere not everywhere but many places there will be one said one of the things you can learn from the conservator. Form is that people don't speak assure that people have an etiquette in the show. So that episode I spoke about a number of months ago probably so we can say is the following we have to bring this to the attention of our children and ourselves you start with yourself. You have to make sure you go to school. You don't speak even if someone speaks with you so you have to be a living example, that's a place that all of us can begin. We don't surrender and say oh everybody's doing it. I'll also do it So anyone who's really cares about this as to begin with themselves when their family with their children we go to show we're going to speak Tasha after diving is another story people talk say hello and so on regarding other people like anything if you see something that's not right. Do we go yell at them do we go become disciplinary ins to is that our job to judge them, but if you can do it in a with a person in a gentle way and you feel that it will be a positive influence by all means go for it. But that's again Case by case. So like all the issues of this nature you have to do it piecemeal step by step start with yourself see who you could influence in a positive way. And if you have the influence over a shoulder to your part of a part of a full board or faculty and so on. Yes, you can say let's talk about this. Let's bring it up. Let's bring it to the attention of our members. And our community and why not talking anything you want you want to make things better. These are my responses. I don't have anything dramatic to say some magic pill. There are bayum even altered ebony wrote those sharp words about speaking what he hears people speaking and the negative and the real really sharp words. If they're about that. I didn't have an impact with those words. Then I'm definitely not going to come up with better words. So it all comes down to finding ways to influence people for the better and the same is true frankly for other things you So and speaks Russian horror, I'm not talked about in the show leave General. How do you deal with that? A lot of people do that? So we have to feel we're not part of the problem, but part of the solution that's essentially what I'm saying. Okay next question. Okay. We're going to do some follow-up. Now. The follow-up is episodes 280 and 281 and will do that. Yes. In episode two eighty. I spoke about how to keep the holidays from being boring. It was a post-holiday Works program. So just feedback on the last episode 280. Someone had asked about ways to keep the holidays from being boring. We have a small group on Facebook. Ladies who learn. For Jewish studies and many of us use your 60 days guide everyday tremendous feedback from women who said that this deeper understanding that your guide gives added tremendously to their overall experience and made it all that much more meaningful. Also women who have used your book for years person also expressed that way personally. I feel I also feel it's added so much for me as a companion to this out this extraordinary time and opportunities and opportunity for personal cleansing and growth Judaism offers such a great gift. It should not be boring it approach with Wonder and opportunities to tap into its potential. Thank you for the guys and all that you do. Thank you for your kind words those of you not familiar with that guides called 60 days a spiritual Guide to the high holidays used by many. It's become I would say there's almost a cult following behind the people have groups all over the world that follow the journey and I am surprised and humbled by that. Essentially the theme is that the way one does not get bored. As I discussed back then is to recognize the extraordinary within the ordinary to see that every detail of Our Lives is brimming and filled with pulsating energy. Waiting to be released in the words of the capitalists and the Hasidic Masters Sparks Divine Sparks. Waiting to be freed where they're trapped in the food. We eat in the work we do in the places. We travel to our homes everything. And when you see it that way that everything becomes an opportunity and exciting opportunity I should add for turning this world into a Divine home. So thank you for that. Another follow-up was Killers clubs. Okay, so I got quite a few feedback on that one. How much of it was positive. There was also a little critique which I shall read briefly now. First of all, someone writes I commend you for taking on this topic and definitely you will not necessarily become politically correct and not being politically correct and knowing that many people will not necessarily give you brownie points for your attitude, but I commend you for your strong stand on the topic another person wrote. I listen closely because this is a topic that's close to my heart. But I want to ask you. Even though many of the kids clubs are not will not call them. Holy but it's innocent people getting together to be nice and kind and beautiful with each other on a Shabbos. Yes. Maybe you shouldn't be done middle of Dominic but why is it such a terrible thing? That's it. And finally another one writes. I was surprised by your strong stand. You usually are far more balanced and here you were pretty adamant. So let me answer that all in one shot. Obviously this complements what I said, Back then last week's episode on 281. Yes. It is true. We always have to take a balanced approach but there are things that have to be stated for the record and then you can talk about balance. The rabbit did make Xavier that I got you. He made exert a said do not drink more than four small cups. They can't change that. I'm not looking to change and we embrace it like anything the rebels said. So what am I supposed to do take a week stand on that? The whole point of it is applied is to convey the rebels and there are Bam's attitude to things not our own I'm not defending myself. I'm just saying that we need to state that what is the standard now? There's a second point which I can address in a follow-up. What do we do? Practically? I also said that is it the worst possible sin, but I didn't want to say it in a way that minimizes what their debit said about it. Is it the worst thing other I know many more worse things going on in our community in our shows even and so on but it is necessary to stand. What is the standard because we don't measure which is a bigger thing in a smaller thing then comes the Practical side. It's if you're part of those ones that can display this is your week your place of release but once a week of relief you go there meeting that you need to know that it may be an accuracy may sound Innocent but people have been hurt by alcohol. You may not be that one and to be not maybe your group not but they're people been hurt people have died because of it. I'll call is not a thing to tamper with and there's others watching you and you never know what they're going to take off from it. So that's why I go back to the devil ever made a standard. I'm not going I'm not on a Witch Hunt where I'm going to go. Every soul and say close on your kids club. This is my platform. Actually. It's easy. I just sit here in front of a camera and I you pontificate but with all you beside the point I'm making here is we want we the whole purpose of this program is to what are our standards? What's a healthy standard? And then of course, there are things that we are lenient in or we overlooked and song we talked about things like television or Sports and so on there's a standard and then you have to be prudent and practical who you're dealing with if I was in the shoulders the kitchen. Am I going to go down and storm the heavens? No, I would see maybe I would find an opportunity to say something because you want to be productive. You don't want to just sound like a critique critic, you know, I've seen shows where the rabbi tries to do something. It doesn't always work. So I think the first knowing the standard is not a contradiction to the attitudes how we apply ourselves to deal with these issues. So that's the combination of taking a stand strong stand and then let's be practical. This is the the standard now that figure out how to do this and I understand this. Social side to it, but maybe there are other ways to do it in a way that are more acceptable and also more aligned with Out the Devil would want us to do it, you know their condition that happened after the Avenue that first of all is far more of the right time and even there it shouldn't be our who Lanka. We just go start indulging and drinking and drinking and drinking. Okay, another follow-up on Pace last week. I spoke about long pay a short pass and I mentioned that letter of the debit. Hey, the cuff with rabbit says clearly that he I've not seen a Chabad long Pace as well a drama and the on the contrary. Okay, I'll just add to that. I heard a story. Once that zoellick slonim. This is a sheet from Israel who is a grandchild of the ultimate 11 middle. Sent his daughter at that with the room area slonim to heaven and then there's a lime family. So there was this one time that came from those families jobs. Alex London was one of the cinema came to visit lavash once or was it rostov? Not sure that a brush up and he had long pass or not very long, but payers that went some extent and this is a story I heard I've never seen a source that they should have been suspended solids luck said and this as a game about on the getting Stars about once we don't go that way. And they say cut his Pace after that. I have to verify this but I heard this so the rebels has other lab. So I hear I received a few letters saying seemingly that that's what the free decrepit didn't have long Pace. I've heard that the free declare his Pace were seen to have fallen from under his yarmulke. It is possible to imagine that the alternative also kept the space on top of his head. I blable Groner on a video Tells the following that he remembers and optional of Yom, Kippur the first year the physical ever came to America in keeping the First Time Keeper in America that when the he was asked if he could have asked them to turn him around when they sang The Pony has March Innkeeper the end of Yom Kippur and he says we saw the Freda calibers long pay on one side. fall down from from his yarmulke He also says his father who was a Tamara to do the tire of the fleet and grab his head said that he specifically so long payers under the yarmulke. So that's a big groan was testimony. Frankly. I accept what he's saying, but it does not it's contradicts what the letter says and that letter and what we know about this topic based on that is all that I discussed last week who cut his pay us question is where we cut it exactly but definitely did not let it mingle with Beard, so I understand the answer is that it was under the yarmulke so then mingled with the beard but it doesn't say that that's what the night is all did and as I said the rabbit says other lab, so how do you reconcile that? I don't really have an answer. This is true accurate accurate sure. We can find ways to explain it as far as the altar de Burgos. Yeah, you can speculate anything, you know, we don't have any source to say I'd pay us under his yarmulke. What we have is we see the the to Bushy so-called pay is right here above. Above the ear, but we don't see anything hanging down. So That's about that follow up. One more thing about expanding 770. We spoke about last week. Thank you for answering the questions regarding expanding 770. I found it very helpful very useful. And as always very candid. I did want to get clarification on one part when the rebel spoke about not changing with the Chavez stood and eight is that downstairs in the large stroller upstairs? Does that mean that however that however it is now can only be added on and not changed the rebels said clearly. He means the large hole downstairs. But he doesn't and obviously also upstairs. That is why it became very clear that not to change the 770 with the debit Avant. Only to add to it and it was not the rebuild what we see right now, but only to add North and South but the 770 especially the original part that's goes for goes more toward the toward my roof the West Side meaning away from Kingston and goes to upstairs 770. That's what the devil was and the debit a free drink whatever and that should not be touched. So I was only about expanding it to Union Street and as much as you can't Eastern Parkway That's the clarification now, here's a serious question and then we'll do the essays. See this question. I submit a question about how to deal with. Well, let me just sum it up. This is question is what is the difference between a Divine Soul rooted in the Divine name and all of the things that are rooted in the Divine name? So we'll clarify when we read I submitted a question asking how to deal with separation always from the same Source meaning everything comes from God. So separation asking especially why the free they could ever mentions that there are some of a youth comes to my shems name. Learning Target chapter 38 clearly teaches that all comes from a Chemin de you'd give off gay another question, which is similar to this question. So I'll throw that in solemn of rock on I've asked a few questions to you about Agatha session Divine unity, all of the answers and explanations have added a lot to my understanding. Thank you very much. I was learning a Miami describing the uniqueness is unique unityconnect assist all the community of Israel. The shamans Israel has over other parts of creation. That in their Source quote in this sort of the Hidden are unified due to coming from the same Source in asham akkad. Uncle end of quote what is the solution of this Unity Crest Israel has isn't all of Creation in their Source all unified what difference about our Unity it almost sounds like the same question maybe you came from the same person but so be it It's an excellent question and of course caution away, but it's also the same question. You can ask to broaden the question when we say in the name of a day means godliness is everywhere not just Unity godliness. So why do we say there's more Guardian is let's say the best. I mean fish or on Shabbos or a safer Tater whether in Makkah moans, man, is there more godliness and moisture. I've been in a coin god. So the brief answer is that's a question of revelation of God means you cannot divide. God in two parts God is God forbid. There's no such thing as as a composite. Out of this a sham. It's complete Unity. But like we say which mean they had set us that have a sites from Rashi from others that says Hashem says, I mean it says Kasha I'll I played a scam is difficult for me your separation. So the little bastard should say curse shall I put it does say no Iris operation. Why is it your separation? Because I shall never get separate from us from a sales perspective and vantage point. We're always United it is we who move away from the holidays and are not under the same. Send on the same Aura of the power of all the young Tavian that we can feel separate from each other and from Russia. So that's why God says your separation Divine Unity is everywhere. The question is how how conscious are we how we are and how integrated is an Our Lives because that's the whole purpose of additivity Axiom that it should be on our terms. So in that context, there are things that God put into the universe that are more unified than others for example, Toyota. Auris, But there's Unity everywhere you look in science and unity, but it's not so obvious until you see it. The shammes have that Unity manifest in them because they're fundamentally One Nation go ahead but Audits and they bring out of the Sgt to this world. That doesn't mean there is no artist that means it needs to be revealed and in a fragmented Universe, it's sometimes more concealed. So the Jewish nation is charged with a mission to reveal that in the inherent Unity that's already there. That's on a very basic level. You could say. What about the device them is God forbid that exist among Jews. Yes, they can wander away also from their purpose. But in the mile of the Jews are the nodes of the cluster as well as one entity, that's would be more Revelation versus concealed but it's deeper than that. Why no Samus are talking unified because and their fundamental Source in the Divine they reflect the Divine Purpose. The end not just the means the universe itself is can be more fragmented or seem more fragmented because it's not expressing the Divine Essence. It's part of the structure is the means to the end. So everything in existence does work together nature does work with the student symbiosis and unity, but it's not quite so fundamental and essential as it is. Tuna some is which Express on our agents of God and therefore manifest and personify and embody the unity of the Divine. Okay with that, let us go to the three essays every week. We do three essays from the essay contest 2019. The first is show you the hats locker, but I am the secret of success in life Mordecai Siegel 821 crack habad Israel a student in Chivas them create movement or Yehuda and as the title suggests, that's exactly what the addresses. He begins by saying that surely many of you reading the headline of the title of this essay will feel that you're going to suddenly get quick Solutions magical tricks. It's not the case. That's not how it works. There's no such thing as magic. There's no such thing as magic pills and they will never wasn't there never will be and they never really work. It comes with work hard work and effort and it begins to go into that. We are success truly comes from into the details citing the criticisms Kelly climate valve and he says it sides there. About the talking and I'm unna the idea of trust and faith how that is the necessary for True success the lab rates under the very nice tote way and with a good anecdote some humorous anecdotes and how to fight the challenge to what blocks us from achieving such success. Well done. And I thank you for that Erich mielke allievi nazionali tip him shell coaching hasidim. Hasidic tips for Hasidic cultures because the considered coaching. He's from load Israel. It's 45 a job might say book little bit more sensible more suited. He's a presenter. I seen your presenter in a particular group. Okay. So what does he write? Let's see his essay. Coaching that's good. The very nice title tips for Hasidic coaching. So basically since it has comes to really teach us and cultures and how to believe the best possible lives and fulfilling what God wants. So what he does is he actually goes through Tanya paid a chapter 4 and 12 and and this sit in a way in a very practical bullet point way. We cause it a playlist playlist of this music of chania of how you can actually take tips. Tips that he gives and coaching and goes one step after the other first from the tiny. I just mentioned then from today and from Eagle is cages of the Rebel and he dresses each issue. First the first point was about from the time yet, then it talks about music as I said about difficult challenges. And let's see nuclear beneficial Manuka finding peace and calm in your life. That's for my sake a passerby meatball. How many different sources anyway bottom line? Let me see how many there are. six seven eight Yeah. I think there are 11 12 12 tips, very beautifully done. Each is very concise with sources tips of Hasidic coaching. Excellent. Finally. The third is an English one tap in tap out Stan the server Ringo age 18 Montreal Canada student and based Hai mushkil Seminary Montreal. Phones internet technology, the grandparents hated the parents love it and the children can't seem to get enough of it man. He can barely live without it. So it's all about this technology. They say they cannot convey can they can control of they want to but regardless of where they say many find it impossible to resist reaching for device. Only moments after making making such a declaration City's shows us that it is possible for us to live in the 21st century to close the gates on this generation G8 Sahara, which includes the two main issues negative content and waste of time by using it only for the right purposes and only at the right times and goes on to speak about content. And what exactly is the standard Time how to control guarding your Gates and practical Solutions another very practical sa well done as well. I commend you these essays are all now available. They get posted as we announce them and meaningful life. I'm sorry at my taxes applied that calm and you can also get them if you subscribe to our weekly emails and we'll send you the all updates these essays as well as other updates were always updating and putting new material and content. Okay, my friends. This has been episode 282 of my lifes. It has supplied everyone should have continuing High discussion and bringing the power of tishri into our lives are good. Is that good? Givenchy are and we're here every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. And will be her next week. So anyone have a very blessed week and hopefully this will be the week of gula especially if we do our part in it in achieving that foot so minus 1/4

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS: • Chassidus Applied to Vayeira. 0:15 • How did Avraham know that it was G-d talking to him, and not a hallucination? 09:40 • How can we explain the Akeidah? 15:55 • How can you find your personal Lech-Lecha? 25:05 • What can a child do if he is having issues with his parents, and they don’t respond? 28:11 • How to deal with social anxiety? 33:39 • What can I do about feeling stuck in my life? 43:08 • What can we do about talking in shul? 47:26 • Follow up (episodes 280-281):      o Boring holidays 52:51      o Kiddush clubs 54:57     o Peyot 59:00     o Expanding 770 01:01:50 • Chassidus question: What is the difference between a divine soul rooted in the divine name and all other things that are rooted in the divine name? 01:03:16 • My Life 2019 essays:     o סוד ההצלחה בחיים, Mordechai Segal, 21, Kfar Chabad, Israel 01:07:29     o טיפים של קאוצ’ינג חסידי, Arik Melchiali, Lud, 45, Israel 01:08:48     o Tap In, Tap Out, Shterna Sara Ringo, 18, Montreal, Canada 01:10:43 Submit your question now at  https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ask-rabbi-jacobson/ or email: info@chassidusapplied.com. The objective of the program is to provide people with inspired guidance and direction, empowering them to deal with any issue they may face. MyLife demonstrates how Chassidus provides us with a comprehensive blueprint of the human psyche as a microcosm of the cosmos, and offers us all the guidance we need to live the healthiest possible life and build nurturing homes and families, bringing up the healthiest possible children, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. MyLife is brought to you by the Meaningful Life Center as a public service, free of charge.

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It seems like it's been so long but also not longer a.m. It's pretty crazy. Thank you all for joining us. Like I said, we are covering Orange is the New Black season 7 episode 1 tonight still so crazy that it's the final season, but Here we are. I'm your host April joined by my lovely co-host. We have Brianna. I love everybody knew to our panel and thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me Francesca. How's it going? And lastly? Hey y'all such a great first episode. We got to see kind of every character a little bit here and there what are your overall thoughts? I'm just really anxious because we only got a taste. Yes, and there's already so much drama in the first episode. So I'm just really really ready to see how much deep more deep against definitely I felt it was a little bit more exciting than last season already and just the first episode. So it was a strong first episode and it kind of did feel a little bit of a reset a bit, you know, it was very Piper Centric and we you know caught up with some of the women in you know, how they've been doing since then, but it was kind of mostly her and then it looks like the show is trying a new device of like listening in to people's thoughts which was kind of interesting at first. I was like, what is this? Yeah you and I'm Event when I kind of I'm looking forward to if they continue to do this for the rest of the season like starting to hear the woman's thoughts and these situations definitely totally agree with everything. They all said, I loved the voiceover it is there's something like exciting about this episode. I don't know if it's just because it is, you know, we know it's the last season or something but there was just like a little extra little extra seasoning. Yeah. We have a lot for y'all tonight. So definitely stay tuned. We have a very special segment that we're going to do every episode of the show. Though we also have a special top three of our top three favorite female ships throughout the whole entire Series. So we definitely want to know what you'll have to think about along with some great news and gossip and predictions for the whole season. I want to start talking with basically who that meat of the episode was about Piper. Obviously, we see her going through the typical Ebbs and flows of what it's like to be out of prison. She's giving P samples meeting with her probation officer. I was most surprised about the situation with her dad because we've seen them. Have a great relationship throughout. Yeah. So before what did y'all have kind of think about her part, especially? Well, I selfishly want to know the stuff with her dad. What did y'all think about that? I feel like this episode was really interesting because okay. So if you remember where she was when the show started in season one, very different like she you know was upper-upper class close to the family loving relationship with them. Man, and like have these friends and like this career and now she's just like very estranged from like her family, even her brother who she lives with but like you can tell he's like function she is like the restaurant she's look down on now. She's getting fired from and you know this relationship with her dad is now like, you know, it's very strained and you know, they sprinkled a couple of flashbacks in this episode, which was what made me think of her in the first Season and just how different her life has gotten too and it was a it was her choices that led her down this path. But and she told her dad, you know, not all of them, but I regret most of them and I think it's her kind of finally coming to terms with like what her life has become, you know, when she was in jail. She kind of still was like had the okay. I can look forward to my life back, but now it's like, okay. Well, I'm back in my normal life, but no, okay things have kind of changed for me permanently. And so I think it's going to be a lot of her realizing like it's actually hitting her more now than when she was in jail. I feel ya, like there's also a lot of change when it comes onto her relationship with Alex. And so I just shows like you're out of prison and you don't even only have to stress about your situation with your friends and family on the outside. But even your relationship is suffering and things are just so different and it sucks because they both feel a change and their Dynamic but they just can't say it because they know how painful it would be to have to come to terms with like there's nothing you can do to get it back to It was and it's kind of ironic to say that their relationship was a lot healthier when they were both in jail. Yeah, that was definitely it's definitely like a situation ship like they are put in that situation. They're making the best of it because they were in that tiny, you know Universe. I agree. I thought that was interesting because when they both sat down you could tell it's just so fake I guess would be like the best word. Yeah Force faked like I was just me. I'm like a open book. So I I was like, oh my God, I would be just be like, oh my God on the way here. I got fired in this and this and this and they're just like trying to preserve what little bit they have. Yeah. And even in that I feel like the one moment of love you they had was when she was gonna tell her. Oh, you know the funny thing on the phone and then Piper she had a ruin the moment and and they lost any sort of actual connection or sharing that they were going to have and that's just very it's pleasantries and I think I'm it makes me wonder like how is their relationship going to be when you know, she does get out of jail. Like are they going to be able to find Connection again or is it like you said like is it just like when they're in tough situations and kind of sort of bonded together that the relationship actually works right? Definitely you can tell that they're trying not to like bring the other down. So Piper is out of jail, and she's supposed to be doing, you know, I don't want to say she's supposed to be doing well, but obviously better than being in prison, right, but she's not really I mean she's not locked in a Cell but clearly she's locked in and these other ways when we see her having the conversation with her parole officer and she's like Will it be great if I could pick up the night shift? Oh, but I can't because those going to lamb or if I could work at this other restaurant that offered me a job, but she can't because they sell alcohol and then you have Alex obviously going through a lot worse than you ever could ever compare to at the moment. But neither of them want to bring the other down. She doesn't want to say like I'm doing these terrible things in prison and Piper doesn't want to say no things are awful because why like burst the bubble of the dream that you have, but I'd know I really liked her parole officer. So she like had some really hilarious moments in the episode funny. Yeah, bring her often. She likes ask for sure. Yeah, I love how she's like, you can pay me now or his go back to jail or whatever. I'm like no sympathy. She's like, yeah. This is how it is. Yeah, that's how you got to be. I guess like we said she's living with her brother and their living this holistic lifestyle, which is great I guess is it or I don't know about be great for her bathroom in the sink. Yeah the forcing the baby to figure out do you? To pee or poop and using Code words to figure out like what I got baby. Like it's a newborn baby. Yeah, like a two-year-old who you're like, okay. So you need to pee now ya dig in the sand like waterskiing. I mean, they're obviously not doing very well financially either. They're like, oh we could really use those 60 bucks from are being your room. And obviously they're sharing a car to take the kid to the baby to the baby's doctor. So that's why Piper had to take the bus. So it's like that's why I thought it was kind of Think of the brother kept saying, you know, maybe you should ask your dad for help but it's like, you know, is he also not in a good place with his with their father as well like or was it maybe he just always doted on Piper in the past. I mean, yeah sure always like doted on Piper. It wasn't like their relationship was bad. But Piper was just more the Apple more of the eye and successful one and the the sun was always just doing his own thing kind of like the black sheep. Yeah. I found it interesting that she you know, she's living with her brother, but they're still the Amick of money because so many people don't even have a place to stay whatsoever. So that's why you know, we see people in real life going to halfway houses and we've seen people in a show do that as well. But she has a situation where at least she has a roof over her head, but it's also like okay. What point are you going to start making money but we learnt you know, because she had early release she's having to pay all these extra fees and it's just, you know, kind of like we talked about in our preview show ya how do you do something with no money? Like if you can't actually Really have someone that gives you the chance to make a decent living. How are you going to do anything? Like she's fighting for fifty dollars to be able to go and see her wife in prison. Yeah, and I mean, I feel like I learned like okay. She's like I didn't know I had to pay for my own testing and all of this other stuff and it's funny because when she was talking to her boss about asking for the days off, it's like she was asking for a lot all at once like we're going to get this like she wants the day off and the afternoon off and her check early, but it's like she actually really does need all of that stuff. They're important to her. So she's not like she's Trying to be that person but it's also like, you know, you're really not going to be able to you're not entitled to it. Huh? Yeah, and you can't always get what you want it. Yeah, like when she's asking her boss for these things. I was thinking the same thing as you I'm like, this is too much but like they're all equally important like she had to have off to go visit her parole officer. Okay, that's a non-negotiable you have to do that. But then to her seeing Alex is just as important because clearly, you know, it's this is the first time I think or yeah, it was like one of the first Sometimes they're seeing each other. That's also equally as I'm not sure relationship but like you got to give on something and it seems like she's been having to give on seeing as they also said something interesting about like I granted you this inmate visit which I thought maybe it's like a special thing that it Maize and mate can't that? Yeah current one. That's a thing like in real life. You're not allowed to go back to the president visit other inmates because I you guys can catch me on life after lockup. After show and so that was a situation was one of the characters on the show because she had a friend that was going to jail and a big thing was that she can't visit her friend and her friend was going to be gone for ten years. And that was just like the law that's why I was really surprised at Piper was able to go see Alex. She got furlough. She's going to see Alex. She got a thing. I noticed in her conversation with her boss. She never said like, oh, I have to see my profile parole officer. I'm visiting a friend in jelly feel like she was hiding the fact that she just was a felon She can't hide it. I work at least her personal information that and that job I mean, so it's just getting fired at the end anyway, but I feel like that was probably already putting her in a precarious situation because she wasn't being completely truthful. Yeah. I thought the same thing when we were watching it, but I was like no surely she told them because on every application like no matter where you're working. It says like have you ever been exactly that one? But I'm sure it's just like you don't want to keep mentioning it every time. Oh, I knew this off because my parole officer and less but I would drop it if he wasn't giving me it off then I wouldn't Admit what I mean, I guess that's what you get when you work at thunder thighs are burning. I'll I read it as thunder thighs originally don't like this is amazing. It's like all the fun places in La we got a few flashbacks of Piper. One of my favorite was seeing Larry AKA Jason Biggs. I've loved him since the beginning and I liked their Dynamic even though it was weird obviously because she was secret lesbian. I'm secretly I am but you know what? I mean? Yeah, and so I liked being able to have the flashbacks and hearing her do the Of like wow my life used to be this and I know this was difficult and the flashback of her with her friend where they're talking about doing ecstasy. I'm like all of these things used to happen that she probably took for granted because she thought I'm never gonna get caught. This is never going to happen to me and then here she is now. Yeah, let that be a lesson to you right don't do drugs before we get into her like official visit with Alex. Brianna has a little something for us. I do. I just want to take a special moment to thank everyone. We won for watching. Thank you for making AfterBuzz the ESPN of TV talk this opportunity means everything to us and we're so happy to be able to bring content for you guys and your favorite shows make sure if you're watching to subscribe on YouTube and give us a thumbs up and also make sure to give us a five star rating on iTunes. Make sure you comment to do all that stuff follow us on all our social media. We read everything we want to hear from You guys and just thank you. Yes, thank you all so much. We really do read everything. I love interacting with the fans because so we have all these strong opinions, but everyone else does as well. So I love hearing them. Alex is in some clear trouble at Litchfield right now. If we remember leaving off season 6 she agreed to kind of help baddest Anor be on her team. I've solely call Herb Addison. Yeah. I don't have the CEOs even calling that so it seems fun. But agree, she agreed to help her in order to get her off Piper's back, but then Piper ended up getting early release anyway, so now she's just done all of yes for nothing. So she is miserable. Obviously. What do y'all think about her tactics of trying to get baddest in in trouble? It got me nervous because for a second I thought she was purposely trying to do something to Tasty. So I was really confused for a second. I'm like, yeah, what's going on? What is she doing? But I mean It ultimately worked unfortunately drag tasty into it though to Solitaire. I feel like tasty always gets dragged into stuff that she yeah anything to do with I think that the I life that she was taking a little initiative but it's just like in her conversation with Piper. It's like leave it alone. Yeah, that seems like so miniscule in comparison to all the restaurants at that. She's doing with the drug. Yeah. Well we learned that she told her hey I'm going to try to you know, stay out of trouble and be on the down low. You know kind of stay clean and she got a found herself this episode being forced to you know, sell or figure out a way to unload these drugs by the way, the whole all of her interactions with that steel helmet. Yeah. I was like what's his name? We're awful and they felt very just like he's gross like well, you know and whenever he put the condom of like, you know, all of the drugs heroin in her mouth and like stuff to it felt so rapey it all of it was just like awful like she's being forced into this situation has no Control over and like she even said this busted my stomach gonna die and she kind of found like a solution, you know, she was going to sell it to Daddy and then we get the big like surprise death of the first episode. Yeah, which so that put her and more of a bad situation. But like that was crazy. I didn't see that coming. Yeah the when the scene with him like you said putting the condom of heroin in her mouth. It was just it's like there's a weird part of me that like seeing those things don't like sand but so you got to listen or I got have to say before it's like, oh she likes that see ya. It's I like seeing that because I feel like that's the kind of stuff that really happened. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah want to get in trouble and they want to be able to you know show this is what happens to a prisoner to a prisoner that maybe did terrible things to get in here whatever but is also like literally putting her life in danger so that other people don't get in trouble. Or it so that the see ya in trouble. Yeah, and it was just to think about it and even seeing him give her the laxatives at the end so she could you know, who but I doubt it was just awful and the fact that she's being forced into the drug situation and can't get out of it Addison. It's like I feel like she's in a no-win situation. Oh, yeah that scene. I mean it was that moment was so awful and hard to watch because it was an invasion of her body like and you know, it's like yeah, that's a it's a rubber. It's going down your throat like there's All of these it was just it was awful. And then and then yeah, you see her having to clean it and still having to figure out okay, how am I going to get out of this? How am I going to get rid of this and it's just that's how this this new character comes in. She's at the very beginning of the episode but we see kind of everybody in the yard, which is where we see some of our favorite people come in that didn't have big moments in the show. We see Suzanne we see pennsatucky. Obviously, this is where tasty enters but there's this character that's walking around to everyone asking for drugs and at this point we have Obviously baddest in is bringing these in through Co Hellman, but we also have Daya still doing her thing. The thing that was crazy as far as you know, obviously in this part with Alex at the beginning in the yard with the drugs when tasty enters it's like everyone's seemingly is kind of scared of her because they think she committed murder whatever but then she's also we get a glimpse of her still being the same tasty when Alex does the phone trick and you know hides the on which I was like, this is pretty amateur for the stuff that y'all have done before but hiding the phone under baddest ins pillow and calling it but tasty was in the room. She gets we still see the same side of her because she has this little you know, the appeal denied thing under her and she gets that like almost girlish like no give me that not girlish, but you know what? I mean? She's just still kind of hoping for the same thing. I like being able to see both aspects of her character kind of mixed in there with these Other people. Yeah, and it really says a lot about her character to as a person because a lot of times when you're in a situation where you have this reputation of this badass or like oh, yeah, I was convicted of murder. They ride that, you know, it's kind of like a up and status now and yeah, everybody's afraid of me but tasty could care less because she knows the truth. She's sticking to that and she doesn't care about like what anybody thinks of her or what great respect that she'll get from it. She just wants her life back and it's I'm glad that it didn't change her that much to where she just stopped caring about stuff and ended up being Reckless like how diet is and so I just really admire her in that sense same I mean, she still tasty like she still gets down as we see her little yeah like bang Madison's head on the thing they go to ad seg. I mean like but I feel like that's something tasty would have done all through out. There is the part of me though that things like she just I mean she has life in prison at this. There's like I feel like she just doesn't care. She does care in the sense of like, oh, maybe there's still hope of me getting out one day, but she also was just like yeah, let me just bash your face in. Yeah because you're a little mean to me but that's kind of how it goes. One of the other interesting parts that kind of has to do with tasty is the interaction between Suzanne and Cindy whenever they're in loose checks dance class. Let's check is still here still teaching. We remember that Suzanne was, you know, being quote unquote manipulated technically by her friends are not technically by her friend and she saw the situation of the other. What are they called? The the SWAT team? That's who actually killed Stormtroopers piscatella. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, but obviously that's why Then was committed or what sort of thinking of accused of murder and officially found guilty. But Suzanne and Cindy sod-all Susanna's the one who's kind of manipulated into believing that this is actually true. So to see this interaction with them where she still really thinks this obviously we know that she's in Psych Technically, she's off her meds at this point in time, but she still believes this to be true and to see Cindy kind of really stick to her. Guns in this moment and be like, what are you talking about? This isn't true and it just confuses. Her more was a little confusing to me because Cindy who went against her and the trial now, I'm like, are you feeling all of this remorse? We knew she was going to but like I don't know to see her saying it kind of just out in the open where anyone could hear was just a little confusing. I'm like now you now you feel bad. Now you feel like telling the truth when it doesn't matter. She's felt bad the whole time. She felt like she had no other choice so she didn't see a way. Out of that situation, but you saw her in this episode. We obviously it's still eating at her and she's getting letters saying, you know rat, you know snitch and I don't I mean essentially I guess she got kicked off the show that she had you know with with Marisol but I think the the whole scene with her and and Suzanne was really because Suzanne's really smart, but she's also like very childlike and naive and she's like, well, this is what I've been told like this is a institution like the judge and the jury they all said she Did it so it's almost like these figures of authority that she sees she weighs them more as to as against what she saw with her own eyes like she is just like yeah. She did it this that's what they said, even though. She knows like she's all that she didn't and so I just thought that was an interesting moment with her about like this competing these competing ideas in her head, but like what she still ends up believing because of the systems and you know, what other people will believe to like, this is someone who knew her and saw the situation but she still like, oh she's a murder. So what does everyone else going to think who is it in? Going to see tasty as a murder and they don't know what's going on. Exactly. It's like the part with pennsatucky and Suzanne in the yard. This is at the very beginning of the episode where she's kind of telling her, you know, she's waving at Tasty. She's like, oh, hey come over here and pennsatucky quickly stops her because she's like no she's not your friend anymore. She's you know, she's a lifer exactly. She's a lifer she committed murder because no one else knows the truth, obviously and you know not to or Not predicting anything but I'm like I would just wonder if we're gonna see the truth come out. I did read an article where Danielle Brooks who plays tasty said that she really hopes that someone just tells the truth, but then that also makes me sad because if that happens then like Cindy screwed not only do I on the stand but you know you witness this as well and still lied. So yeah, I don't know how how we're going to be able to do that are other kind of main Arc of the episode was with Daya and dead daddy. Mainly diary pids obviously aren't ya that was fast. Yeah no time. I don't see that coming. I mean, you know as I was watching this happiness like oh, yeah, you know last season ended with you know, these two figureheads the competing sisters who like ended up killing themselves off. And so now she's the new person running, you know, that side and Mattison is running the other ones and now she's gone to and the whole thing was like man, they're not like not playing around this season. They're going for it. What what is it that diet gave her it was some sort of obviously it was drugs. Well, do you remember in like the beginning when they were in the yard who was it was trying to give the girl that wanted drugs some Hooch Hooch and she's like, I promise it doesn't have hand sanitizer in it. Like all the other ones do so, I think I don't think Daya realized what it was what was in it? And that's just shows how much dye has just messed up and on drugs because she was completely not even thinking not even caring. She's just mad. His daddy's over here doing things for quote unquote business. Yeah, I'm leaving for business. Yeah, and thought she was being you know Sly and she didn't realize like yeah, I mean, we all didn't realize we were so confused like who's like confuse the are these but and also like it was it intentional with she just she was just out of it then. Yeah, but it's because even when even one what's a hopper pulled her to the side And was like, what are you talking about? Daddy's dead and dying is like dot dad he's not dead. Like she's so challenge. Yeah, even realize was seriousness of what she did. Yeah, definitely wasn't intentional. I think it's really sad because the out of all of the characters on this show. I feel like Daya has descended the most was so sad. I'm like she I mean she stuck ourself with a life sentence. Now, you know, she had a baby and she had a, you know, it went into the system. She doesn't have it. Really any support anymore, you know and and now she's just like someone who's high all the time doesn't care. I think even her relationship with that. I don't know if they it was actually like they loved each other but it was like this was someone that like, you know, this is hers, you know, the person that's taking gonna take care of are going to watch out for her and then as soon as she felt any ounce of like, okay, I don't have you all to myself or I don't you know, if she felt some sort of a trail like how quick she was able to like turn and essentially caused her to die. Yeah. I feel like once you reach up. Point where you're her mom, I like the ladies when you have a lady telling you get your life together and get it like do better. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, you've hit bottom. Can we talk about Elena this episode because we all over the place Ray also like I feel okay. It's a female saying this but she is a home but you're walking by and then and then you're like, okay, I guess she's back with her baby daddy Caesar and then it She saw a guy and yeah, you know, she's just what she needs. She's just very selfish and it really sucks because I mean we could go and to a whole nother Side Bar topic on this but we won't but like about just this this whole thing about Cycles like prison Cycles her cycle as like a mom. She never liked kids. She never wanted kids yet. She has like five and you saw them talking at the dinner table just like so disrespectfully and just like it's like, why would you raise your you know, why would you Have kids and go through that. If you don't even like them, you're so concerned about yourself because now like look at diet as example. Like she's just re kind of repeating the mistakes and you know different ways that whole scene with them at the table was really funny though. It wasn't your daughter is going off at each other and then later, you know at the end she kind of gives them a look like she's kind of proud. Yes. She does look like she was proud to say though as much as like her character does a lot of like really like, you know despicable things. I really enjoy her character. So she's fascinating and interesting and I almost feel like we see her traits a lot of times in male characters like, you know, not really caring for your like, you know, as a mother a woman sometimes it's like, oh you're supposed to have this maternal instincts really have it. That doesn't mean she doesn't love her kids, but that's just not the kind of woman she is and so I think I don't know. I like watching her scenes. I think she's always entertaining and Elena is a perfect example of when you go into this this like you're going to the system messed up and then you I'm out and you try to do better, but then it just doesn't work for you and you just go right back into your old ways because she really did try to go the legit proud didn't give it enough effort. And then she's like f it I'm going to go ahead and do what I know what to do get this money take care of my kids, but it sucks because there's so much potential for her and Hopper to really have a normal relationship but it's almost like she's more attracted to the chaos. She definitely yeah, and that's what's like, she's her. On roadblock and she doesn't really see it or she sees it and she doesn't really care. It's just like her giving up on dying, you know, she's knowing that die is doing these drugs that she's bringing in. Yeah, or you know essentially die as the drug mold more mule but she gave up on her because she's like, oh, she's High she's hooked like crazy. She's not gonna get better at this point. So let me just focus. Let me keep doing this. I don't really care about you, but get these other kids back and then we see her. Back with these other kids and she just like I said, it's not leading the same cycle. Yeah doing all the same stuff back with Caesar. I think his name. Yeah, it's just I will say like, you know as much as I love her character. She also like I'm like, I just want to shake you so bad. Yeah so much potential, but I literally we all actually LOL to when she got I've got cars. We cringed but above the same time. Yeah, I love that the show is going to do something like that. Like what this fall out with diet though. I think that the moment where y'all were saying you kind of just maybe have a have a little bit of an epiphany because think about when diet and Daddy are in the thing and she's like we have to establish establish dominance yada yada yada and I was like, yeah, let's tell her it was like, yeah because she was did she Kill Daddy on purpose but now well Well, I feel like maybe there is more to what happened in that situation and we'll find out. I mean, it's definitely possible but it's interesting to me that the only times throughout the episode that she seemed with it or not high are what the two times where she saw daddy like looking or with another woman. So it's like if she's in a state where everything is just bad when she is coherent then she's only going to feel good when she gets high, but that's like you kind of put yourself. In this situation, I mean, obviously these things have been put on her that she can't control but she knew you know, she knows very well what she's doing in the sense of when she's doing after drugs, but I think if she didn't I don't think she actually did it on purpose but I think it's going to hit her when she really realizes that this is the reason why she died is directly because of what her I gave her maybe this might be a wake-up call for her. I was just gonna say that I hope so because like we've said like this is she's the one that's fallen for this. Yeah from her her original Ark and like yeah, let's let's bring her back. She would be the best like come back story for us because I don't I mean, I don't think she there's any way that she's gonna get out of her sentence, but she's the one that I kind of root for the most to be like no because she was so innocent even though you know, she was like, she cannot was running off. I just I would love that. I feel like she's just gonna be the sad story. I feel like yeah, I don't I don't really see her. Getting better. Yeah, I mean but I mean we can hide out. Our other favorites didn't get too much time in the episode. But we see Lauren has had her baby baby is with Vinny, especially babies Sterling Chef. Shout out to Sterling. Yeah. She used to be on our panel. Um, and also we see a very small snippet of Gloria and red route is just ridiculously depressed because she has all this time back or Final time on her sentence and basically everyone's just depressed. Yeah at this moment in time. So hopefully we'll see some up and up. Yeah before we get to our special segment anything else we want to say from the episode anything we missed. I think we hit on think we did really good for the first episode and I'm now we see through it a lot of stuff happening but and I gotta see more with tasty like we got a little you know, when she started fighting with Madison and you saw the letter, you know appeal denied, so obviously She's still like that means she's still fighting. She's still trying I mean obviously doesn't seem like her efforts are paying off. But I hope that that doesn't just end there and I mean we do see we see Cindy feeling guilty. So I that's the story where I'm like really hopeful. I'm like, I hope that that still gets resolved in a positive way decide. Definitely. Okay, Briana is going to do our special segment for us. Yeah right: excited. Okay, so we have this fun little game that I love to play It's called who did it love it. And so I have three ladies that today heinous crimes you see them right there and I'm going to read the crimes to you guys. So have to guess like who did what crimes they did these crimes in real bizarre real life criminals, like while real life. Okay? Okay, so we have lady number one. These might be a little easy for you, but we'll see the lady number one. Her name is wanna borrow. This is way too easy lady don't guess. Yeah. Well they can see the pictures. Okay names? Okay. Yeah, so well, that's too late. Anyways continue. So She was a Mexican wrestler. She pretended to be a nurse / social worker and gained home access to people and basically she was strangled them and then Rob them - and she ended up getting a convicted of 11 counts of murder dang. So the next one is Dorothea Puente and she ran a boarding house in Sacramento, and she poisoned her residents and Stole their checks. Oh, yes, and so the cops raided her house found body parts buried in the backyard. Oh my gosh, and so she got tried for nine murders of that. Okay casual, right? And then our last one this should this last one used to be a movie. Like I promise if someone doesn't make this movie, I'm going to be mad Catherine night. She worked at a slaughterhouse, but she killed and skinned her boyfriend. Wait for it. Wait for it cooked his body parts. Hold on and served them to his kids. Oh my God. She kept it healthy with a side of veggies tcats it healthy. So wanna Bara Bara Bara Bara Rosa Dorothea Puente and Catherine night. Who do you think is who I'm gonna go for it wanna is the lady in red, okay. Okay, and I think the lady whose skinned her boyfriend is the lady in the middle Catherine Catherine. And then I think the bad checks is the lady in blue and blue. Okay, I'm gonna I am going to go with that as well. You're all going to go the same thing. Yes. Oh my God. You got a right? Yeah. Absolutely. Literally the one in the middle. She looks like she just made stew. Yeah. She put the head in a stew pot. That's so funny that you said that she good thing. I Many in yet because my stomach's already upside down but yes, that would honestly be a great movie. Yes that we bomb this is gonna be maybe one of my tough special segments about thank you so much, of course, and now we have our top three top three, so obviously, you know, there's so many great themes that we love about the series and as we are in the last season, we wanted to look back and look at our top three favorite female. Ships so female relationships and could be encompassing friendships may be a little bit of rotation but like our top three. Yeah. So let's get started with number three. It's Nikki and Lorna so they obviously have a very special friendship and obviously Nikki, you know would have liked to have made it more but she tried a lot and I mean that didn't mean they didn't have their own moments of pleasure. But you know, Lorna is still straight and that's what she prefers and but you know what they're hilarious together. Yeah, and they really bring a lot of humor, too. Show and regardless even if Nikki couldn't have her as a girlfriend. She obviously loves and cares for her as a friend and vice versa. And so there are really cool. There are number three female ship of the show. Number two is flaca and Maritza, um, obviously, I don't want to get makeup advice from any of their they obviously had such great chemistry that were both clever and sassy and you can tell like they could have really A been the biggest YouTube stars ever, you know to catch up with Maritza and see what and obviously we miss her and would love to see I mean, I'm hoping we get to see what happened before the end of the series but you know, these are two girls that always look fly in prison and we know that Amy and number one female relationships, you know ship of all together. Okay? Okay, let's taste. So obviously they exactly like the story that broke our hearts so many times but they had such a beautiful relationship. There was so much love genuine friendship caring, you know, when the show first started who say like, you know had feelings for her more than just friendship and obviously that kind of put a damper in their relationship as friends. But you know what they grew from it, they were each other's like Partners ride or die and you No, tasty solves his last moment and like fought for her and has been fighting for her and the spirit of her ever since and they are literally like one of the reasons that the show, you know has been so great. They were the heart of the show for a long time. And so we love their ship together relationships. Using beautiful glowing pregnancy picture that she shared on social media. So she actually expecting right now, which is kind of cool the actress Danielle and you know, we just want to show her some love could be right. We see you. Yeah. She does. Okay. Now we have predictions AfterBuzz TV predictions so much. Obviously, we have a lot of work just on episode 1 One but give me some like overall or episodic prediction. I every all think I feel like we're going to see Alex and Piper's relationship definitely either end or go through a lot of like ups and downs now that they're split up. I never necessarily rooted for them. So I kind of feel like it might go in this direction. I don't know. That's yeah. I actually I think as much as I mean I I care about them sometimes and other times not I do think Alex and Piper and game. For this show and so I feel like they're probably going to have their issues. But I feel like at the end I'm going to be together gonna they're gonna break up but then at the end of the last episode she's just going to look at her and be like, okay come here. And yeah, I am interested in seeing what's going to happen with red. I kind of see her staying in prison and sort of just embracing like being the prison mom like helps other girls and like maybe that ends up being what gives her happiness and purpose in life. And yeah, I mean, I'm interested in seeing what happens with Daya this season just because based off this episode I Like she's got some demons that she's gonna yes go through. Yeah, I'm definitely interested to see what happens with the red and Gloria because they are going to get closer and I feel like Gloria's also prison mom. She's not as like hovering as read is but she's definitely a prison mom and I love her so I can really see her going above and beyond making sure Reds well-being is intact. So I want to see that love that I'm going to predict that actually tasty is going to Our saddest story of Orange Is the New Black just because I think she's the one who we would root for the most and I don't think they're gonna give us what we want in that sense. I think they will with other things but with with her, you know, I feel like the most heartbreaking things on the show that we've always wanted. They've never given us so I could shoot her not winning an appeal and it's like how they show how the system works and even though we didn't see Blanca this episode, but I'm hoping that we saw your soon the season because what happened I gotta know. I know she's gonna make it back to Diablo. All right Lee. Thank you so much for joining us such a great time with y'all. Let us know what you thought in the comments. We definitely want to hear from you all and the meantime, you can find you everywhere at April with some hand. You can find me on Instagram at Brianna. I am the understand Cheyenne and you find me on Twitter and Instagram XOXO Cesc a lastly here and you can find me online at Leslie that face see y'all for next episode. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Hosts April Whisenhant, Lesley Corral, Francesca Dugan and Breanna Chianne talk about the season 7 return of Orange Is The New Black! It's the final Season and Piper's finally getting out of the joint. Write your predictions in the comments and follow us all season long! ABOUT ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Orange is the New Black comes from "Weeds" creator Jenji Kohan about a women’s prison drama with comedy that takes no prisoners. Based on the acclaimed memoir of the same name by Piper Kerman, the series is about engaged Brooklynite Piper Chapman, whose decade-old relationship with drug-runner Alex results in her arrest and year-long detention in a federal penitentiary. To pay her debt to society, Piper must trade her comfortable New York life with fiancé Larry, for an orange prison jumpsuit and a baffling prison culture where she is forced to question everything she believes about herself and the world at large. As she struggles to adjust to her new reality, she finds unexpected laughter, tears, conflict and camaraderie amidst an eccentric and outspoken group of inmates.

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I and my friend, Chatty Sharma are starting this new podcast series where we are going to talk about life. We're going to cover different problems that we as young adults face and try to come up with solutions to overcome these problems by looking at things from different perspectives. In this first episode, we've talked about fear of judgement that young adults have and we discuss 3 things that is most probably causing that fear of judgement. This podcast series is gonna be in Hindi as we want more people to connect to it. We want to build a community of like minded people who can openly discuss their problems related to life without being judged on based of our age. Full disclosure: we both are definitely not experts or life coaches but we are 2 very persistent and hardworking people who are trying to learn and better ourselves just like you are trying as well and that is why we believe that this podcast series will provide you some value because we understand exactly what you're going through and what your pain is. So get along in this new journey of exploration, retrospection but most importantly of execution. Find us on Instagram because we want to know your feedback on this episode. Also tell us the questions and problems you may have in your life and we might create an episode around that. Chatty Sharma: @officialchatty Shivansh Bhardwaj: @my_uncooked_thoughts

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There was once that very rich Merchant who had six children three sons and three daughters. Being a man of sense. He's Fair no cost for their education and gave them all kinds of Masters. His daughters were extremely beautiful, especially the youngest when she was little everybody admired her and called her the little beauty. As she grew up, she still went by the name of beauty which made her sister is very jealous. The youngest as she was beautiful was also better than her sisters. The two eldest had a great deal of Pride because they were Rich they gave themselves ridiculous Aires and they would not visit other Merchants daughters nor would they keep company with any persons of quality? They went out every day two parties of pleasure balls plays concerts. And they would laugh at their youngest sister because she spent greatest part of her time reading books as it was known that they were to have great fortunes several eminent Merchants made their address to them. But the two eldest said they would never marry unless they could meet the duke or Earl at least Beauty very civilly. Thank them. All of the men that courted her and told them that she was too young to marry and she chose to stay with her father for a few years longer, but then all at once the merchant lost his whole Fortune except for a small country house great distance from town. He told his daughters with tears in his eyes. They must go there and work for their living. The two eldest answered that they would not leave the town for they had several lovers and they were sure they would be taken in even though they had lost their Fortune. But in this they were mistaken for their lover slighted and forsook them in their poverty. As they were not beloved on account of their pride. Everybody said They do not deserve to be paid. We are glad to see their pride on both let them go and give themselves quality airs by milking cows and minding their Dairy. But the town's people were very concerned for beauty. She was such a Charming sweet tempered creature. She spoke so kindly to poor people and was of such an affable obliging disposition. In fact, several gentlemen would have married her though. They knew she had not a penny to her name. But she told them that she could not think that leaving her poor father in his misfortunes. Beauty was determined to go along with him into the country to comfort and attend to him. Poor Beauty at first was sadly grieved the loss of their Fortune, but she said to herself. We're I to ever cry so much. That would not make things better. I must try instead to make myself happy without a fortune. When I arrived at their country house the merchant and his three sons applied themselves to husbandry and tillage and beauty rose at 4:00 in the morning and made haste to have the house clean and breakfast ready for the family every day. In the beginning she found it very difficult for she had not been used to work as a servant but in less than two months, she grew stronger and healthier than ever. After she was finished with her work, she read played on the harpsichord or else some Waltz she spun on the contrary her two sisters did not know how to spend their time. I got up at 10. I did nothing but saunter about the whole day lamenting the loss of their fine clothes and acquaintances. Do but see our youngest sister said they wanted the other what a poor stupid mean-spirited creature. She is how can she be contented with such an unhappy situation? The good Merchant was of a quite different opinion. He knew very well that beauty outshone Her Sisters in her person as well as her mind. He also admired her humility industry and patience for her sister's not only left all of the work of the house to do but insulted her every moment, the family had lived about a year in this retirement when the merchant received a letter. The idiot was an account that a vessel on board of which he had effects and it had safely arrived. This news had liked to have turned the heads of the two eldest daughters and they immediately flattered themselves with the hopes of returning to town for they were quite weary of a country life when they saw their father ready to set out They begged of him to buy them new gowns caps rings and all manner of Trifles. But Beauty asked for nothing, she thought to herself that all of the money her father was going to receive would scarce be sufficient to purchase everything her sisters wanted what will you have Beauty said her father since you were so kind as to think of me answer chain. Be so kind as to bring me a rose for has none grow hereabouts. They are kind of Rarity not that beauty cared for a rose, but she asked for something less. She should see my her example to condemn her sisters conduct. Of course, they would have said she did it only to look particular. Good man went on his journey, but when he came there, they went to law with him about the merchandise and after a great deal of trouble and pains to no purpose. He came back as poor as before. He was within 30 miles of his own house thinking on the pleasure. He should have and seeing his children again when going through a large Forest he lost himself it rained and snowed. Too terribly then the wind was so strong, but it through him twice off his horse and night coming on. He began to apprehend being either stop to death with cold and hunger or else devoured by the Wolves who me heard howling all around him. All of a sudden looking through a long locks of trees. He saw some light in the distance going a little farther. He perceived it to come the place illuminated from top to bottom. The merchant thanked God for his happiness coveri and hastened to the Palace but he was greatly surprised at not meeting with anyone who might have lived there. His horse followed him seeing a large stable open. They went inside they found a hay and oats and the poor Beast who was almost famished belt eating heartily. The merchant tied up his horse on the manger and walked towards the house. He saw no one but he entered into a large Hall. He found a good fire and he found a table plaintively set out. There was only one cover laid. As he was wet quite through with the rain and snow he drew near the fire to dry himself. He looked around the room. I hope said he that the master of the house or his servants will excuse the Liberty I take I suppose it will not be long before someone appears. He waited a considerable time until the Clock Struck eleven and still no one came. At last he was so hungry that he could stay no longer. So he took a chicken from the table 8 it into mouthfuls trembling all the while after this. He drank a few glasses of wine and growing more courageous. He went out of the hole and crossed through several grand apartments with magnificent furniture. Eventually, he came into a chamber which had an exceedingly good bed in it. And as he was very much fatigued and it was well past midnight included. It might be best to shut the door and go to bed. It was 10:00 in the morning before the merchant awoke and as he was going to rise he was astonished to see a good suit of clothes in the room of his own which were quite spoiled. Certainly said he this Palace belongs to some kind of fairy who is seen in pitied my dirtiness. He looked through a window but instead of snow saw the most delightful Arbors. They were interwoven with the most beautiful flowers that he'd ever beheld. He then returned to the Great Hall where he had slept the night before found some chocolate ready-made on a little table. Thank you. Good Madam. Very City allowed for being so careful as to provide me a breakfast. I'm extremely obligated to you all of your favors the good man drink his chocolate and then went to look for his horse. But as he passed through an arbor roses, he remembered Beauties request to him and he gathered a branch on which were several but immediately he heard a great noise. Is frightful Beast coming towards him. He was ready to faint away. You are very ungrateful said the Beast to him in a terrible voice. I have saved her life by receiving you into my castle. And in return you steal my roses, which I value beyond anything in the universe. That you shall die for this I give you but a quarter of an hour to prepare yourself to say your prayers. The merchant fell on his knees and he lifted up both of his hands. My lord said he I beseech you to forgive me indeed. I had no intention to offend and Gathering a rose for one of my daughters. She only desired me to bring her one. The monster applied. My name is not my Lord but Beast. I do not love compliments. I prefer that people should speak as they think so do not imagine I am to be moved by any of your flattering speeches. But you say you have daughters. I won't forgive you on condition that one of them would willingly come and suffer for you. Let me have no words, but go about your business and swear that if your daughter refuses to die in your stead, you will return in three months. The merchant had no mind to sacrifice his daughters to this ugly monster, but he thought in obtaining this request he should have the satisfaction of seeing them once more. He promised upon oath that he would return the Beast told him that he might set out when he pleased but added the Beast you shall not depart empty-handed. Go back to the room where you lay and you will see a great empty chest fill it with whatever you like and I will send it to your home and at this time beasts with Drew. Well said the good man to himself if I must die I shall have comfort at least of leaving something to my poor children. He returned to the bedchamber and finding a great quantity broad pieces of gold. He filled the great chest the Beast had mentioned he loved it and afterwards took his horse out of the stable leaving the palace this much green as he and It with joy. The horse of his own accord took one of the roads of the forest and in a few hours the good man was whole his children came around to him but instead of receiving their Embraces with pleasure. He looked on and holding up the brand she had in his hands. He burst into tears here. Beauty said he take these roses, but you have no idea how much they cost your own. Be father and then he related his fatal Aventure immediately the two eldest setup lamentable outcries and said all men are building toward things to Beauty. Beauty did not cry in front of them. They said to her do but see the pride of this little wrench. She would not ask for buying clothes as we did but no truly Little Miss wanted to distinguish herself. So now she will be the death of our poor father and yet she does not so much as shed a tear. Why should I answered Beauty? It would be very needless my I shall not suffer up on my account. The monster will accept one of his daughters and I will deliver myself up to all of his Fury. I am very happy thinking that my dad will save my father's life. And this will be proof of my tender love for him. No sister said her three brothers. That shall not be we will go find this monster and we will kill him. We will perish in the attempt the merchant said back to them. Do not imagine any such thing. My son's beast power is so great and I have no hopes of your overcoming him. I am Charmed Beauties kind and generous offer, but I will not yield to it. I am old and have not long to live. So I will only lose a few years, which I regret for your sakes alone. My dear children and Beauty said back to him indeed father. You will not go to this Palace without me. You cannot hinder me from following you. I could not change her mind and Beauty still insisted on setting up the fine Palace. Her sisters were delighted in this for her virtue and amiable qualities made them envious and jealous. The merchant was so Afflicted at the thoughts of losing his daughter that he had quite forgot the chest full of gold but at night when he retired to rest no sooner had he shut his chamber door then to his great astonishment. He found it by his bedside. It was determined. However, not to tell his children that he had grown Rich because they would have wanted to return to town and he was resolved not to leave the country, but he trusted Beauty with the secret and she informed him that two gentlemen that come in his absence and courted her sisters. She begged her father to consent to their marriages and to give them fortunes for she was so good that she loved them regardless of their attitudes. He's wicked creatures rub their eyes with an onion to force them to years when they parted with their sister, but her brothers were really concerned. Beauty was the only one who did not shed tears at parting because she would not increase their uneasiness. The horse took the direct road to the palace and towards evening. They perceived it illuminated as at first the horse went of himself into the stable and the good man and his daughter came into the Great Hall. They found a table splendidly served up and two covers. The merchant had no heart to eat. But Beauty Endeavor to appear cheerful and she sat down to the table and she helped him. Afterwards she thought to herself Beast surely has a mind to Batten me before he eats me. He provides such a plentiful entertainment. When they had supped they heard a great noise and the merchant volunteers. It is poor child farewell for he thought the Beast was coming Beauty was sadly terrified. It is horrid form, but she took courage as well as she could and the monster having asked her if she came willingly she replied. Yes and a trembling tone the Beast responded. You are very good. And I am greatly obliged to you honest man. Oh your ways tomorrow morning, but never think of returning here again at this the monster with Drew. Oh daughter said the merchant embracing Beauty. I am almost frightened to death believe me, but you had better go back and let me be the one to stay here. No father said Beauty in a Resolute tone. You will set out tomorrow morning and leave me to the care and protection the Providence they went to bed and thought they should not close their eyes all night. But scarce where they laid down when they fell fast asleep in Beauty's dream the fine lady came and said to her I am content Beauty with your Goodwill this good action of yours giving up your own life to save your father's it shall not go unrewarded. Beauty awoke and told her father this dream and know it helped to come for him a little yet. He could not help crying bitterly and he took me of his dear child. As soon as he was gone Beauty sat down in the Great Hall and fell crying likewise. But as she was mistress a great deal of resolution. She recommended herself to God and resolved not to be an easy a little time. She had left to live for she firmly believed the Beast would eat her up that night. However, she thought she might as well walk around until then and view the Pine Castle, but she could not help admiring. It was a delightful Pleasant place and she was extremely surprised at seeing a door. Over which was written Beauties apartment. She opened the door hastily and was quite dazzled with the magnificence that reigned throughout with cheaply took up her attention was a large library at several music books and a harp is cord. Well, she said to ourselves. I see they will not let my time make heavy on my hands for want of amusement then. She reflected where I but to stay here a day. There would not have been all of these preparations this consideration inspired her with fresh courage and opening the library. She took a look and read these words and letters of gold. Welcome Beauty banished me here. You are queen and mistress here. Speak your wishes speak. Your will Swift obedience meets them still alas said she with a sigh there is nothing I desire so much as to see my poor father and to know what he's doing. She had no sooner said this when casting her eyes and a great looking glass went to her amazement. She saw her own home where her father arrived the very dejected countenance. Her sisters went to meet him and notwithstanding their Endeavors to appear sorrowful. Their Joy felt for having gotten rid of their sister was visible in every feature a moment after everything disappeared at noon Beauty found that dinner was ready and while at the table she was entertained with an excellent concert of Music the without seeing anybody but at night as she was going to sit down to supper. She heard the noise Beast made and she could not help being sadly terrified. Beauty said the monster. Will you give me leave to see you sup? That is as you please replied Beauty. She trembled in fear, no replied Beast. You alone are mistress here. You need to only bit me gone if my presence is troublesome. I will immediately withdraw but tell me do you not think me very ugly. Yes, I do said Beauty for I cannot tell a lie, but I believe you are a very good-natured monster. So I am said the monster and then besides my ugliness. I have no sense. I know very well that I am a poor silly stupid creature Beauty replied his no sign of Bali to think so for fools never actually know this. Eat that beauty said the monster and Endeavor to amuse yourself in the palace. Everything here is yours and I should be very uneasy. If you are not happy. You are very obliging answered Beauty. I am pleased with your kindness and what I consider that your deformity scarce appears. Yes. Yes said the Beast my heart is good. But still I am a monster Beauty answered maybe among mankind. There are many that deserve that name more than you. And I prefer you just as you are to those who under human form. I had a treacherous corrupt and I'm grateful heart if I had sense enough replied the Beast I would make a fine compliment to say thank you, but I am so dull and I can only say I am greatly obliged to you beauty ate a hearty supper. And that almost conquered her dread of the monster, but she had like to have fainted away when he said to her beauty. Will you be my wife? She was some time before she just answer her. She was afraid of making him angry if she refused at last. However, she said with a tremble no Beast. I will not. Immediately the poor monster began to sigh and he hissed so frightfully the whole Palace a goat but Beauty soon recovered from her fright for be said the mournful voice then farewell Beauty and he left the room you only turn back now and then to look at her as he went out and shame. When did he was alone? She felt a great deal of compassion for the poor beasts alas. She said it is a thousand pities anything. So good-natured could be so ugly Beauty spent three months very contentedly in the palace every evening Beast to paid her a visit and he talked to her during supper. Very rationally the plane good common sense. But never with what the world calls with and Beauty daily discovered some valuable qualifications in the monster and seeing him often at so accustomed her to his deformity. Now far from dreading the time of his visit she would often look on her. Watch to see what it would be nine for the Beast never missed coming in that hour there was but one thing that gave Beauty any concern which was on every night before she went to bed. The monster always asked her if she would be his wife. One day she said to him Beast you make me very uneasy. I wish I could consent to marry you but I am too sincere to make you believe that will ever happen. I shall always esteem you as a friend Endeavour to be satisfied with this. I must set the Beast for alas. I know too. Well my own misfortune. But then I love you with the tenderest affection. However, I ought to think myself happy that you will stay here promise me that you will never leave. Beauty blush that these words she had seen in her glass but her father and find himself sick for the loss of her and she longed to see him again. She answered Beast I could promise to never leave you entirely but I have so great a desire to see my father, but I shall front to death. Please don't refuse me that satisfaction. And be said to her I would rather die myself and to give you the least uneasiness. I will send you to your father you shall remain with him and poor Beast will die with cream. No said Beauty she was weeping now. I love you too. Well to be the cause of your dad. I'll give you my promise to return in a week. You have shown me that my sisters are married and my brother has gone to the Army only would we stay a week with my father as he is alone? You shall be there tomorrow morning said the beast. But remember your promise. You need only lay your ring on the table before you go to bed. When you have a mind to come back farewell Beauty be side as usual bidding her. Goodnight and Beauty went to bed. Very sad seeing him so afflicted. When she awoke the next morning she found herself at her father's and having ring a little bell. That was by her bedside. She saw the maid come the maid came a loud shriek upon seeing Beauty after I check her father ran upstairs. They thought he could have died with joy to see his dear daughter again. He held her fast loved in his arms about a quarter of an hour. As soon as the first transports were over Beauty began to think of rising and she was afraid she had no clothes to put on but the maid told her that she had just found in the Next Room a large trunk full of gallons colored with gold and diamonds. Beauty think the good Beast for his kind care that she selected the plainness of the dresses and she intended to make a present of the others for her sisters. She scares had said so when the Trump disappeared Her father told her that Beast insisted on her keeping them herself and immediately both gowns and trunk returned again. Beauty dressed herself. And in the meantime they sent to her sisters and they hasted the other with their husbands. They were both of them very unhappy. The oldest had married a gentleman extremely handsome indeed. But so fond of his own person that he was full of nothing but his own dear self in his poor neglected wife. The second had married a man of wit but he only made use of it to play and torment everyone around him his wife. Most of all Beauty sisters were sickened With Envy when they saw her dressed like a princess and she was more beautiful than ever. Nor could all her obliging affectionate behaviour stifle their jealousy. They were ready to burst forth with jealous rage when she told them how happy she was. They went down into the garden to vent it in tears, and she said one to the other. How is our awful sister so much better than us that she could be so much happier sister said the eldest but that just strikes my mind. Let us Endeavor to detain her above a week and perhaps the silly monster be so enraged and so angered her breaking her word, but he will devour her she will be dead. Right sister and to the other therefore. We must show her as much kindness as possible. After they had taken this resolution, they went up and they behaved so affectionately to their sister, but poor Beauty wept with joy. When the week was expired, they cried and toward our hair and seemed so sorry to part with her that she promised. She would stay a week longer in the meantime Beauty could not help reflecting on herself the uneasiness. She was likely to cause poor Beast. She sincerely loved him and really long to see him again the 10th night. She spent her father's she dreamed. She was in the palace garden and that she saw the Beast extended on the grass-plot. He seemed to be dying. And in a trembling voice he reproached her for her and gratitude. Beauty was awakened from her sleep and she burst into tears. Am I not very Wicked said she to act so kindly to the Beast. He has studied so hard to please me and every little thing. Is it his fault but he is so ugly and has so little sense. He is kind and good and that is sufficient. Why did I refuse to marry him? I should be happier with the monster. Then my sisters are with their husbands. It is neither wit nor a fine person in a husband that makes a woman happy but virtue sweetness of temper. I'm genuinely this. And Beast has all of these valuable qualifications. It is true. I do not feel the tenderness of affection for him. But I find I have the highest gratitude the highest esteem and friendship. I will not make him miserable rise. So ungrateful. I would never forgive myself having said this beauty put a ring on the table. And then she laid down again scarce. Was she in bed before she fell asleep? And when she wakes up the next morning, she was overjoyed to find herself once again and Beast Palace and waited for evening with the utmost impatience. At last the wished for our game The Clock Struck nine it no Beast appeared. Beauty then feared that she had been the cause of his death. She ran crying and screaming all about the palace like a widow and despair. After having some for him everywhere. She recollected her dream and she flew to the canal in the garden where she dreamed she saw him. There she found poor beasts stretched out quite senseless, and she thought he was dead. She threw herself upon him without any fear, but she found his heartbeat. She fetched some water from the canal and poured it over his head Beast opened his eyes and he said to Beauty you forgot your promise and I was so afflicted for having lost you but I resolved to starve myself. But since I have the happiness of seeing you once more I can die satisfied. No, dear Beast said Beauty. You must not die live and be my husband from this moment. I give you my hand when I swear to be done, but yours Alas, I thought I had only a friendship for you. But the grief I now feel convinces me and I cannot live without you. Pretty scarcely. I pronounce these words when she saw the palace sparkled light there were fireworks instruments of music. Everything seemed to be sparkling at months and she could not fix her eyes on one day she turned to her dear beast and happiness and how great was her surprise Beast had disappeared and she saw at her feet one of the loveliest princes that her eyes ever beheld. He returned our thanks for having me put an end to the charm under what she had so long resembled a beast. Though this Prince was worthy of all of her attention. She could not forbear asking or beast was. It is eyes at the prince. A wicked fairy had condemned me to remain under that shape until I'm beautiful virgin should consent to marry me but very had taken away the memory of this. There was only you in the world generous enough to be one by the goodness of my temper and in offering you my crown. I can't dare to charge the obligations. I have to Beauty was agreeably surprised and she gave the Charming Prince her hand. They went together to the castle Beauty was overjoyed to find in the Great Hall her father and his whole family and the beautiful lady that appeared to her in her dream had conveyed the there. Beauty said this lady come and receive your reward for your choice. You have preferred virtue before either wait or beauty and you deserve to find a person in whom all these qualifications are united. You are going to be a great Queen. I hope the throne will not lessen your virtue or make you forget yourself. As to you ladies said the fairy two beauties Two Sisters. I know your hearts in all of the malice they contain become two statues. But under this transformation, you will still retain your reason you will stand before your sisters Palace gate and be at your punishment to the home her happiness forever. And it will not be in your power to return to your former State until you admit your faults. I am very afraid that you will always remain statues Pride anger gluttony idleness. These can be sometimes conquered but the conversion of a malicious and Aeneas find it's kind of a miracle. Immediately the fairy gave a stroke with her wand and in a moment all that were in the whole were transported to the princes Palace. His subjects received him with such Joy. Married Beauty and they lived together for many years and in their happiness because it was founded on virtue. They were complete. the end this ends our reading of Beauty and the Beast. Thank you so much for listening. I hope that you have a very sweet and creepy dreams. Good night, my darling.

ASMR soft spoken and whisper reading of Beauty and the Beast by Marie Leprince de Beaumont, 1756. Enjoy with headphones. In Marie Leprince de Beaumont's version, Beauty is a merchant's daughter and has five siblings. Her sisters are mean and arrogant because Beauty is the youngest, the most beautiful, and the most humble. Beauty's father falls on misfortune and realizes that all of their wealth is gone so he makes a dangerous trip and ends up at Beast's palace. He takes a rose upon leaving and Beast catches him and demands his death for his greed. The Beast and the merchant agree that one of the daughter's can take his place and Beauty ends up at the palace as prisoner. Eventually, she comes to love the Beast and it is her love that conquers the curse of his appearance. #beautyandthebeast #originalbeautyandthebeast #beautyandthebeastaudiobook #softspokenasmr #softspokenasmrforsleep #asmrforsleep #asmraudiobook #asmraudioonly #asmraudioforsleep --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Hello everyone and welcome to the fantasy free agents podcast and I am pleased to say this is the first International edition of the fantasy free agents podcast. I am Joe Dolan and I'm sitting in a hotel room in Toronto, Ontario. I'm up here. I'm an appendage to my wife who is here on an academic conference academic people love to get together with other academic people and talk about being academic people. I don't necessarily fit into those conversations, but I love coming along with my wife because I get to see some really cool places been to San Diego been to Toronto now all kinds of other places and I'm really enjoying it and the great news is because I have this wonderful hotel room. I could sit here and record the podcast. We had a guy traveling last week. He went out to LA to be on Colin cowards program. That guy is great Cosell and because I couldn't keep the people away. From Greg Cosell for too long agonizing weeks. I'm actually going to end up calling Greg here from Canada to talk to him about some of the biggest camp stories as we get into real preseason action. Nobody actually watches the Hall of Fame game and I'm certain Greg hasn't broken it down on tape or at least not so much with a seriously trained eye on it. But once we get actual tape Greg's going to break down what he's seen, however because we don't have that yet. I'm going to just have to ask. His opinions on based on what he knows about coaches and players already about some of the major camp stories and that's going to be the focus for us throughout the preseason. I'm going to be asking Greg about some of the major things people are talking about to get his unique insights on all those things that happen during the preseason Tom Rowley and I will be with you tomorrow to talk the preseason action from tonight. I am in Toronto and I'll be honest. I'm actually really surprised at how much people enjoy fantasy football in the NFL here. I've been sitting at bars and restaurants and people would ask me I what do you do? What do you in town for just kind of a standard question and then I said well believe it or not. I work in the fantasy football industry. I write and I hosts a podcast and host a radio show and people are like, oh I'll I play Fantasy. I'm a Falcons fan. I met a bartender yesterday at a place called the town crier Pub on John Street in Toronto, and he said he's a Falcons fan because a few years ago. He had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and Matt Brian. It's on his fantasy team and I met another guy who was an Eagles fan because he's had family from the Philadelphia area and a lot of people are Bills fans because it's right across the border here, but I didn't realize how popular the NFL and fantasy football were here in Toronto. So maybe I have some Toronto listeners to the podcast today. So if you are one of them send me a tweet at FG underscore Dolan and I'll be sure to respond or send an email to the website at tff a podcast at gmail.com will be sure to and so I want to thank the people in Toronto who have been wonderfully receptive for me here today, but going to talk to Greg Cosell in a little bit, but I just wanted to remind people tomorrow. I'm going to have Tom Brawley be doing the heavy lifting because it's not as easy for me to get all the NFL preseason games here in Toronto. I'll see what I can watch tonight, but I'm going to have Tom Bradley do the heavy lifting and make some observations and and kind of follow what people are talking about more break all that down on tomorrow's podcast. That's Be Friday, August 9th. We will be doing instant reaction from the preseason looking at snap counts how rookies look at all that stuff. And obviously these things you have to be careful with them because usually it's the third preseason game. That's the most important but as we saw the last couple years the Eagles the Rams these these teams made runs at the Super Bowl Without Really playing there guys during the preseason. So we'll have to see if more teams end up doing that, but I'm going to Take a deep breath now because nobody wants to hear me ramble on about Toronto and Canada. I'm sure you're all happy for me that I'm here. But what you really care about is Greg Cosell and we're going to get to Greg right now. What's up listeners? 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You can easily make money with no minimum listenership, so, Go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis for your fantasy football and bedding needs. And of course, I am thrilled to welcome into this International edition of the fantasy free agents podcast the legendary Greg Cosell of NFL films follow him on Twitter at Greg Cosell and Greg. I hope everybody enjoyed your segment with Colin coward. I know I did and interestingly enough you discussed Jordan love of Utah State the same guy Matt Brown from the athletic brought up on our podcast last week almost filling in for you. So he's somebody Who's interesting to watch here as we look at the 2020 quarterback class? Well, I knew nothing about them and someone told me I should take a look at Jordan love from Utah State. So I watched our I don't know five or six games and I was very very impressed. So I'm really anxious to see how he does this year. I think he's got the kind of talent that could easily make him a high first-round pick. He'll they'll I know Utah State plays at LSU this year. I'm sure they'll get killed and he likely won't have a great game and then people will The usual garbage of that. Well, he can't play, you know in the big games, but he's a very very talented kid. And you know, like I said, he was Virgin Territory for me, but I really like watching him. Well Greg. Well, we'll talk more about him as we get through the year and obviously once we get closer to draft time, but we got NFL football to talk about and Greg sometimes Serendipity shines upon us all and literally 10 minutes before I called you up for the podcast here Duke Johnson gets Traded from the Cleveland Browns to the Houston Texans for a twenty twenty fourth round pick and this this Greg on the surface is a really good move for Fantasy. It cleans up the Log Jam with Duke Johnson unhappy and Cleveland. It opens up a massive role for Nick Chubb early in the year. But first I want to talk about Duke Johnson the player. What does he give to Houston and will do you think this will kind of tempt Bill O'Brien or Force Bill O'Brien to throw the ball to his running backs more He really hasn't done a whole lot over the last couple of years. Well Duke Johnson is a terrific receiver. And the thing about him is he can line up to touch from the formation. The big question they will have is pass protection because one of the things they did, you know a lot last season was seven men pass protection which featured backs and tight ends and they did that. I'm sure as of necessity because of their own concerns, so that's just something to watch as the season starts. You won't see much of that in the Press. Season we won't know the answer to that but Duke Johnson is a very talented player who's a good runner and an outstanding receiver. The big key is can there o-line hold up so he can be used as a receiver particularly in Long yardage situations and on and on third down and not have to worry about Tas Pro Greg I moved right as I heard this news. I removed Nick Chubb into my top 10 at the running back position and we talked about him a little bit. But to me I saw a guy who can two or three Downs He probably can it'll be interesting to see from just a number of touches standpoint a number of snaps standpoint because he clearly is there feature back their Foundation back. The question is will their offense run through him or will he just be part of a multi-dimensional offense which means they'll still get 240 250 calories, but I'm curious to see with Baker Mayfield and the abundance of weapons they have in the past game. How are they truly structure their offense? What what identity? They have offensively. Okay, Greg. Let's talk about one of the other big story lines of training camp and we've touched on this already. But I mean, it's the biggest story in fantasy football and arguably the biggest story in the NFL and it's the holdouts of Ezekiel Elliott and Melvin, right and you were just talking about Cleveland. Will they run their offense through Nick Chubb? We have the answer for that for Dallas. They run their offense through Ezekiel Elliott. Mine without question feeling is Jerry's going to pay Zeke. That's just my gut feeling I don't Think he wants this to linger into the season. But if he were to hold out, how do you see their offense operating if gq-- does Miss games with Alfred Morris? They just brought him back and Tony Pollard the young rookie. Well quick point. I really like Tony Pollard watching a State from Memphis. He sort of a combination Runner receiver. I think he's a talented guy. He's not a feature back in the strict sense, but he wouldn't be asked to do that. The question is and this is a Jerry Jones decision. Is more what do they think about Dak then the Aquino about Zeke? He's the best back in the leak. The question is what they think about Prescott because Prescott has been really a complementary piece on a team that has been defined by the Run game which then allows their defense to play fewer snaps and deck is a compliment. If Jerry thinks that deck is ready to become more than that. Maybe they'll play hardball who knows it's going to be interesting. Thing to see because I don't know. I'm not a salary cap guy Joe and I don't know how much you study it, but I don't know if they can pay everybody based on what those positions normally demand because they have to pay deck is Zeke Amari Cooper and Byron Jones. Okay. Those are all other than running back. Those are all premium positions in the NFL. So I'm going to be fascinating to see how this plays out, but they got caught because when you let others determine the Market and set the market you kind of get stuck. Well, yeah, they said they weren't going to they weren't going to set the market. But when Michael Thomas is out there signing on the market get then the market gets set by others and you're stuck exactly. So I've been a little confused with their strategy but Greg just just a quick follow-up on that. Do you think DAC can take the next step based on your film study? I would say up to this point. My answer would be a shaky know. He's a very cautious player. I know that there was a big thing on Twitter not too long ago about Jon kitna. Who's the quarterback coach. I'm sure you saw it talking about when he played from Mike Martz and not to be cautious. I'm sure they're working very hard with DAC not to be cautious because if you're going to be the guy you can you have to turn it loose you have to have an aggressive throwing mentality and what I don't know about DAC is whether it's in his DNA to be cautious whether he was coached to be cautious. I don't know the Sure to that. But if you're if Jerry Jones thinks he's the guy and they're going to subtly transform or not. So subtly transform their offense to really be about DAC as opposed to Zeke then Prescott cannot be a cautious player. Well, let's go to the other hold out and that's Melvin Gordon and Greg. I think this is a little more cut-and-dry from your perspective. They're probably better equipped to handle a Gordon hold out then I would agree then the Z cold out and what why is that? Why do you agree? Well, first of all, they've got a big-time quarterback and second of all, I think they've got two backs that could essentially production-wise do the same thing Melvin. Gordon's a good player. No question. He's a good runner. He's a grinder. He's tough inside. He's a good pass receiver. But I think with a Kohler and Jackson the kid from Northwestern who came in last year and looked pretty good and Jackson can't carry 250 270 times just because of his size even though his running style is like that He's just not big enough, but I think with both those players, they'll get production. They're not a team built on. Let's give it to Melvin Gordon. And that's the way we play offense. So I don't think my sense is the Chargers will not give in to Melvin Gordon whether they trade him or not remains to be seen but I don't think they're going to give him, you know, Le'Veon Bell money rolling. I mean, they just lost a major potential trade partner in the Texans as well who had a ton of cap space and now just traded for a back themselves. With Duke Johnson, so I think it's probably going to have to be a meet in the middle and all that being said though Greg the Chargers are a Super Bowl Contender and they do want to put the best team as possible out there as Philip Rivers career wins down here. And as you alluded to Melvin Gordon is part of that. He's part of it that but that's the the way to say it. He's not the reason for it. Yes, their team is not built around Melvin Gordon and he's a good player. That's not the point. But the team is not built around him Greg you were Talking about with Dak Prescott the need to get more aggressive. Well in Tampa Bay, they're discussing the need for Jameis Winston to get a little bit less aggressive to improve his decision-making. Right and that's interesting under Bruce Arians because I've always thought of Bruce Arians as an overly aggressive coach sometimes to a fault oftentimes to success. But my question to you is Jamis says he wants to check down more he wants to make better decisions. But have you do you have any examples of a guy like Winston really improving his decision-making five six years into his career and becoming a higher level player. Well, I can't think of an example off hand because you know, I didn't know you were gonna ask me that question, but I think it can be done. I think it's easier and and maybe quarterback coaches would disagree with me. I think it's easier to tone a guy down than to make him more aggressive. So I think James has always been an aggressive thrower. I think he's a turn it loose guy. I Thanks, Bruce. Arians knows that my guess is it's one reason why Bruce was excited about this job because his quarterback fits Bruce's approach the big issue then becomes turnovers and and that's what you don't want. So you sort of have to find that that that balance and that fine line and I think you know Jameis the one thing you can say about Jamis is he is a worker. He really he's smart. He loves the game, but he's got that little recklessness to him that you know, you're trying to tone down. So that's going to be a fascinating balance, which we will not know the answer to that till we get into a number of regular season games. So Greg, let's discuss here because there seems to be an obsession on avoiding turnovers in the NFL. And of course an interception sucks a fumble sucks. You lose the ball you lose an opportunity to score but I think we saw this last year with Aaron Rodgers. He threw two interceptions, but there were countless times. He's throwing the ball away. He's not even trying to make a throw and I think one of the big Back when we were talking about Buffalo back in the day was Tyrod Taylor who seems like he never threw a pass unless it was right open and what are the problems with that in the NFL? Well, first of all everything situational, I mean obviously if it's first in 10 or let's say you're in deep in your own territory inside your own 20, you know, you don't want to be aggressive for no reason. So everything is situational. There's no this is not a mathematical equation, but there's times in every game whether It's a based on a plate call. Whether it's based on situation where the quarterback has to turn it loose and drive the football at the intermediate levels or a little deeper depending on the route Concepts. And if your quarterback doesn't do that, then you're going to end up getting stuck. Look at what here's what the game has become and this is very general. But true the game has become creating explosive plays on offense and stopping explosive plays on defense. So when explosive play concepts are called by an offensive You get the right coverage the quarterback has to turn it loose and as I said all that is is play called base situation based field position based time of game based. There's many factors that go into it. It's not as if there's 20 times a game or a quarterback has to just turn it loose but you have to be able to do that as a quarterback or you're going to get stuck. So essentially you're saying an interception on First and Ten and an interception on Third and 12 are not equal. No. I mean generally no, I mean obviously as I said now you have to get into the specifics of an interception, but no, they're not equal integrated and Seattle here Brian Schottenheimer changing gears a little bit. He said he's looking to get the running backs more involved as receivers this year. Obviously until Baltimore switch to Lamar Jackson. No team in the NFL ran the ball more than Seattle last year and I think as an aggregate Seattle still ran it more than everybody. Do you see one of their two main backs Penny or Carson is being more moral? More depth to a scheme in which the the Seahawks throw the ball a little bit more to the backs. Well penny is the more Elusive and Shifty guy in space. You know, Carson is a grinder and I think Carson really did a great job for them a year ago. And that's that's the way they sort of founded their offense On The Run game in Carson, you know, no one would say, he's Ezekiel Elliott, but they almost play defense as if he was and Carson when he was healthy and he I guess he missed two or three games was very very good. Penny is better in space. You know penny is the kind of guy you'd like to get the ball, you know out in the flat or in the screen game more so than Carson so we'll see how that impacts snaps. But my guess is Carson will still end up being the number one back and I don't think they'll change their offensive approach very much when you studied Richard Penny coming out of San Diego State. Did you see him as a foundation back in the NFL? I had questions about it because I didn't know. If he was physically Tough Enough for the grind, you know, I didn't see him. As you know, Carson is a very tough Insider honor certainly not a long speed guy. Maybe he's not creative and all that stuff. But you know, whereas penny has a little more of that but I just didn't know if Penny could line up and run between the tackles for you know, 20 22 carries the game and be that guy Greg we've had one major injury on the offensive side of the football here at least four fantasy. When it comes to training camp thus far that's AJ Green and I'm getting sick for this guy with all the battle Yeah, sad, who knows about the field. They're in Dayton or wherever whatever happened there, but it does look like he's going to miss a couple games caveat of the new coaching staff totally acknowledged here. How was Tyler Boyd used differently when AJ Green was out last year and is it even valid to take a look at how he was used last year given that there's a new coaching staff and He had to play well games that Jeff driskel. I would have got I don't think that's particularly valid. I mean again, these are things we don't know the answer to yet. But Zack Taylor is a young coach. He came from the Rams. So, you know, he's well schooled in the Sean McVeigh system. I would assume within the context of that offense Tyler Boyd is Robert Woods now again, whatever that means in terms of numbers will see but could Tyler Boyd lying up You know, we've seen him in the slot. So do we see him as Cooper Cub? I see him more as Robert Woods in the context of this offense, which means he would not necessarily be a slot guy. But hey, that's the way I see it. I don't know. You know, look, I'm not at their Camp I and I haven't read much about it. So I don't know how he's being used. But obviously with AJ Green out, you're not seeing it the way they probably ultimately wanted anyway. Yeah. Well they wanted I mean AJ Green would have been their X, which would be the atom and AJ Green would have You know the Brandin Cooks obviously and he's and he's a different kind of receiver than cook and a healthy AJ Green is the top five six receiver in the league. Yeah. So I mean it's going to be interesting to see but you saw did you like what you saw out of Boyd on tape? Because I remember I think you liked him coming out of pit. It just like yeah. Yes. Yeah. No all he had that good year and then he had sort of a down here. And then last year he sort of came on. You know, I know that just from what I hear that there were some issues with him personally, but who you know, who knows? Those but I think in the context of that offense, you know, assuming all good things about his character and personality and work ethic. I could see him certainly feeling the Robert Woods roll Greg has a lot of Camp height coming out of Detroit where they just cut theoretical about young Ty Johnston. Who's a rookie out of Maryland now, I don't know I watched I watched him on tape and I it's funny you say that because I made a note on him that I thought he could become a receiving back in the league and be very good at it. So which essentially is Theo Riddick? Yeah, and he's probably a little more explosive than theoretical. Theo Riddick is great because you've been doing this a long time and he understands and tie Johnson won't understand a lot of things yet. But I think ultimately tied Johnson's a little more explosive and that's probably a contributing factor to why they released Riddick, but I it's funny because you and I recently just discussed about how carry on Johnson was a better receiver last year than we thought he was coming at Auburn and do you see him being The three down back with with the light spots with Johnson. I don't know if he'll be a 3 down back, but I think he'll be very effective in the screen name. Okay. So again, you know the screen game is not it can be a third-down play obviously depending on the distance and then obviously teams go to screens off and when they anticipate Blitz, but you know, I don't know if he'll be used as a true receiver in the sense that he'll start running will routes and deeper routes he could but I don't know. Oh if he'll play three downs, but I think he'll be used meaningfully in the screen game one thing you and I also discussed was how we agreed that Phillip Lindsay there. There's untapped potential in the passing game there. So I found it interesting Greg that the Broncos went out and signed Theo Riddick and now they have a three headed monster there in the backfield with Lindsay Royce Freeman and Riddick. How do you do you see do you have a feel for how these I don't have I don't have a clue because Me if you're going to sign Riddick, you know what he is. Okay, he's going to be your third down back Assuming. He's still got it. I mean look, you know how this stuff works. Sometimes we guys get signed and we think wow, that's great and three weeks later the guy gets cut so we don't know but assuming Riddick is still Riddick, you don't you're signing him for a reason. He's going to be your third down back. He's going to be your 11 personnel back in given situations. So now you get into to me the larger issue from a fantasy perspective is how they're going to work. The carries out between Lindsay and Freeman and you know, obviously Lindsey became the guy last year coming off an injury, you know new coaching staff. So they always see they may see things differently. So to me the larger question Joe is is Lindsay versus Freeman and I don't know the answer to that grade because I know none of us more none of us do yeah, none of us do well. I mean Lindsey, let's be frank right Greg here and his you ran his ass off last year. He was tough. He was great and I thought he was better than Freeman but there's a lot of people who look Freeman coming out of Oregon. I didn't love him. But you know, he had close to a thousand carries. He I thought his last year at Oregon. He looked a little worn out. So maybe he's more of a compliment. I think Greg one of the interesting things that's happened. So far in training camp is the work that Joe Douglas with the Jets the Jets new general manager has done along the offense of line really good really good. You know, you got a Young quarterback this whole line, you know, they just traded for Alex Lewis. Who's at a Nebraska Ask who started a number of games for the Ravens and was pretty good. So they've really got good depth on their own line. They can have a very nice all line. And now Ryan Khalil is the one I really want to ask you about. Yeah, they signed him now. I don't know what you saw from Khalil on tape last year are a lot of people were saying he struggled and Carolina. I can't can't say I studied him nor did I so I'm not going to speak about it because I wasn't studying Ryan Khalil, but at his best here's what he's been. He's been a very smart very sad. Technique guy very athletic. He can get out in your run game. I mean, I remember a number of years ago watching him and whether he can still do this, I can't answer that but I remember him getting out in front as pulling Center and just looking like he was almost a tight end route they're running. So I don't know whether he can still do that or not, but he's clearly smart. He will absolutely help Sam Donald when it comes to protection calls assembly is the left guard. He's 30 years old. He's been in the league a while. And they'll have a really, you know, smart Savio line, which will really help Donald and I don't know if you can see this on tape Greg, but what what is the relationship between the center and the quarterback? And is that something that you've picked up on through your interviews with coaches throughout the year Well, it all depends on you know, setting protections if we're talking the pass game in particular, you know how you want to do that. I mean veteran quarterbacks, you know, very often set protections. Obviously the Bradys. Donald's in his second year with the new offense. So at this point in time his head swimming a little bit with you know with many things. So now you've got a guy that can really help him out in terms of calling out the mic setting the protections taking some stuff off Donald's plate and in certain situations with the I train towards Sam don't know being able to do those things in the future. Oh, of course, of course, but he's a second-year quarterback with a starting with his new offense. So theoretically he's had three new offenses in three years and you know, and I think it's just interesting with Joe Douglas coming from Philly. I think you could say one of the key factors in Carson Wentz is development is Jason Kelsey and the fact that he had a wonderful offensive line in front of him. I would agree and you know, I think that that's a huge factor for a Young quarterback. So, you know, I think that's you know, Khalil can still play whether he's as good as he was four years ago that remains to be seen but he will be very helpful. The big issue with the Jets is weapons, you know on the perimeter. I mean whether you can't do everything in one year, I mean they've tried to you know, do certain things they feel great about their front seven the two areas. In which the Jets are thin and these are issues and they know it, you know, it's believe me. So you've been around long enough and maybe fans don't think this way but coaches know what their weaknesses are. It's not a surprise so their weaknesses. Are there a little lacking at the skill positions at wide wide receiver and that corner there. They've got some questions to important position groups in the league right now, but that's the way it is the Patriots Gregor hoping to get a Little Bit Stronger at wide receiver. Josh. Gordon has applied for reinstatement. We don't know what the ruling is going to be on that I wrote. For the kid and I root for him more so than I root form for Fantasy. But I'd love to have them out there for fantasy and we haven't seen a whole lot of them over the last couple years. But when you watch Josh Gordon yakked year, what did you say, you know, maybe I'm didn't see it the way others did but I didn't think he was quite the same guy last year in terms of explosive movement. So again, you know, that's not suggesting that he was terrible. He certainly wasn't but I didn't see the same guy I saw I saw back in Cleveland when he was just I mean his combination of size movement speed was he's a top someone could have argued. He was the best receiver in the league, you know that he was right there with Julio in terms of that size speed movement profile. I did not quite see that a year ago with the Raiders Greg obviously hard knocks started up. I have to check it out. I haven't watched it yet because I don't want the last night. I watched last night on TV how entertaining was it it was interred. It's always entertaining, you know, I mean, they've got Yeah, Jonathan Abram the rookie safety from Mississippi state is is a rising TV star. Let's put it that way. Although it's a good he's a good player too. But he's a rising TV star and I know I know Jon Gruden he can he can perform when there's a camera in front of him. There's no to way he performs no matter whether there's a camera or not just in case there is Greg, you know, right right, right, but um, obviously I haven't checked it out yet. But from what I understand David Carr, excuse me, Derek Carr featured quite a bit. Yep, but he's got two guys who can really Ali get down the field and Antonio Brown presuming he stays out of cryotherapy and Tyrell Williams Greg. Do you see the Deep ball from Derek Carr to keep those guys fed down the field? Yeah, I do. I think they're going to try to push it down the field. You know, I sensed just from watching Hard Knocks and just hearing it in my building here at NFL films that that's a focus of for Jon Gruden this year to get the ball down the field because look it gets back to what we said earlier. You're trying to create. Sir plays on offense the days of building in our fence building an offense around 1012 play drives in this league is over. I mean do you want to do that? If you can at times, of course you do, you know, every team wants to be able to do that. But you're trying to create explosive plays and that doesn't mean you just drop back and throw it 50 yards just like in boxing you want to knock the guy out, but that doesn't mean you just swing Haymakers and hope you happen to hit them. I mean, but you have to be able to get the ball down the field and I think for every offensive coach into today's NFL that's the approach they take another player I think is fascinating in this offense Craig and I don't know how much you saw him in the NFL but dating back to college Darren Waller is converting to tight end for the Raiders and he has been getting some Camp buzzes. Well cameras and other fabric member him. Yeah. I remember him. He was a big wide out. I believe he's the Niners. I believe drafted him. If I'm not mistaken, somebody could easily check that he was with the Ravens as well. Maybe yeah. But it'll be interesting because I think he's got some ability, you know, look making moves like that is not just based on talent and size. So you have to wait and see on things like that. Whether that, you know, really really happens Greg another interesting player in terms of the way. He can be used Mark Cavalier who covers the Steelers for the athletic just wrote a piece about Jalen Samuels and last year. He kind of was the backup to James Conner and they used him in a traditional way. But this was an interesting player coming out of South Carolina and did you see any similarities to other players who have played in the NFL and how he can be used because the Steelers seem intent on getting Jalen Samuels out there at the same time as James Conner this year. Well that yes, so I don't know exactly what they see and I'm not saying that in a negative way. I don't know the answer, you know, obviously what kind of got hurt last year he became the back and he actually had some good games as the back but in college he was used as sort of a multi-dimensional weapon so we can line up all over. Over I guess they see him that way the question is how many snaps per game? Will he play? You know, does he become kind of a tight end? Is he an h-back? They stays have Vance McDonald who's a good tight end. Did they find another title? Because I know that Jesse James is gone, but I know they have another type of small dog, but it still has a VR Grimble for the USC case. You might still be there. They also drafted another tight end they drafted. Zach Gentry. Oh the Michigan kid. Yeah. Yeah. Now he kind of you know, he's a big kid, but he's 6 7 6 8 coming from Michigan. I watched him, you know, he lined up on the line of scrimmage as a blocker. So, you know, obviously the Steelers do run the ball. So, you know Samuels his to me a little bit of a wild card at this point. I would have no field Joe at this point about his fantasy production. None whatsoever. Yeah, it's one we're going to have to look at and people are being aggressive. On him for Fantasy. I think a lot of people might see a use check type of player in the way. He could be used I could easily see that. I mean that's a pretty good comparison and also Greg they drafted Benny Snell who's more of a traditional. I mean for lack of a better term of steel or back. He's a downhill no question. I'd like to me and I like snow on tape and I knew he wouldn't be drafted High because he's doesn't he has no quote-unquote the special traits, but he's easily the perfect kind of backup complemented. Connor and then in to me that suggests they do plan on using Jalen Samuels because they brought in Snell as a backup in compliment, right? So so it begs the question. How will Samuels be used with the question being how many snaps per game does he play because for Fantasy if it guy plays 15 snaps, he's not getting nine touches, right? I mean but those could be 15 important snaps to the offense as well Daisy. No. Oh, no, I'm not downplaying that we're talking fantasy. I mean, he could be a huge piece of what they do, you know don't. Forget you know fantasies a little different animal than the way coaches see it. They're not thinking about fantasy amazingly enough, but Samuels could be a huge factor and catch two balls for 22 yards and carry the ball twice for nine yards and depending on when those things happen in the game. They could be very important plays right? We're going to wrap this up with two players in Philadelphia your area there who are just absolutely lighting up training camp after the ball and a ball game tonight. Y'all going to the ball game tonight Greg have fun with that. Obviously. I know you're going to see some friends. Yes, because it's not you know it we're getting ready to make definitive judgments on every player who plays stick snaps. I want dragon and I want you to make a definitive judgment even before those six snaps on my okay Anders the rookie running back out of Penn State who Greg he is getting I'm going to use the scientific term here getting smoke blown up his ass here in in Pre in well training camp, but he's at a I really like I really like the tape at Penn State. I thought overall and you know me joy, I don't necessarily make a lists, but I thought he was the second best running back. Prospect coming out after Josh Jacobs Avella Bama. I've been out of Camp twice. I've obviously talked to people from everything. I hear he's looked very very good. I think he's got three down ability. He's obviously not going to play 60 snaps a game this year because by the way, Jordan Howard's looked very good as well. Join Howard looks better to me. It looks like he lost some weight and I think he's got sort of natural running skill, even though he's not explosive in any way. So at this point in time, we don't No, the breakdown and snaps between Howard and Sanders but barring any injury, I think Sanders will get meaningful snaps really quickly. Great. Just a quick follow-up everybody in the fantasy industry is worried about Doug Peterson's predilection for running back by committee. He that's just what he does, but right in your knowledge of coaches, if they get a guy who can play three Downs do they prefer that even if they've traditionally been a committee approach type of coach. I think that depends on the coach Joe, you know, I think if you're going to build your offense around your running game, which Eagles do not then you need a back. You can't build your offense to me around the Run game and have backfield by committee. The Eagles want to run the ball. No question, but their offense is not built on a week-to-week basis around. Let's start what we do with the Run game like the Cowboys have done like if you're We do play like the Cowboys you need a back. Yes. Okay, Greg and the final player getting a lot of Camp pipe the connection between Carson Wentz and DeSean Jackson has been reportedly phenomenal. I mean everybody's actually looks very fast by when I've been out there. I mean, he looks like DeSean Jackson and what's it's exactly what the Eagles won it. Now. I know two years ago when wences pseudo MVP campaign Torrey Smith didn't catch a lot of passes but his speed was something they lack last year after Mike Wallace went down one of the differences. As in how the offense looked when they didn't have that kind of lid lifter the can opener without Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace in there and well the changes changes everything because the defense can play you differently to Sean's a better player than Torrey Smith and and you know, I think and I've said this many times before that. I think Carson Wentz has an aggressive DNA mindset. I think he wants to push the ball down the field and I think that having DeSean Jackson there they will take their shots every game now that And you hit them all but they will hit some and to Shawn is still can run. He's over the last 10 years. He's arguably the best pure deep threat in the NFL. Maybe there's someone else who I'm missing but he's certainly right there and and I think that that's critical for the Eagles because last year they were lacking Dimensions. I mean just think back to and I know Nick Foles perform very well when winds went down again, but I think it was the third might have Ben laughs last game of the regular season or close to it when they played the Redskins and Falls completed something like 24 or 25 passes in a row. I don't think any of them went more than like seven yards in the air from the line of scrimmage. You know, I mean at some point you've got to push the ball down the field wins has that mentality Jackson's critical to that. All right, Greg. Thank you so much for joining us here. Hopefully next week. We're going to have and Greg we will be making full career judge all we we have we have to make definitive judgments about you know, Playing 15 or 20 snaps in a preseason game. So when you see Daniel Jones tonight just know what Greg Cosell says about them next week. You don't have to listen to him say anything else about Daniel Jones. Now, we know we're gonna Define we're going to Define his career. Yeah great and I am excited to Define some careers next week. We will we will talk to you and all the normal caveats of preseason will apply next week, but I am excited to finally get a look at some of these players and I know Greg displayed it is fake football. I know you're excited too deep down you want to see some Well, I'm actually pretty excited to be heading down to the link tonight. You know, it's yeah, it's this time of year Greg. It's wonderful for all of us. I'm stuck up here in Canada. Toronto is a wonderful City by the way, but I'll see if I can get some of the action on TV tonight follow him on Twitter at Greg Cosell Greg. Thank you so much for joining us today, and we will talk to you next week. All right, I'll get back here smoking jacket and cigar with the academics. I absolutely will what's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast. 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We're going to be we're going to be updating those constantly and I am excited to announce that we are going to be having weekly cheat. Sheets one sheet printable cheat sheets available every Friday we're going to have positional tiered cheat sheets non pprn PPR. We're going to have PPR non PPR top 150 and we're also going to have a PPR auction cheat sheet that I put together based on the tiered PPR sheet. So you're going to have all those things that you guys have gotten used to from us and our latest rankings update which will which will certainly be happening after tonight's games when we see who gets Who's playing who's not? We're not going to be making any snap judgments with the rankings based on just 10 snaps from a guy but we want to make sure guys don't get hurt and that's really important. So we're going to update those rankings tomorrow and get those cheat sheets out to those of you who are drafting this weekend. I hope you guys really enjoy those. Like I said, I just made a recent rankings update based on the Duke Johnson trade if you were if you didn't listen to the Greg segment, I don't know why you wouldn't have why the hell would you just be listening to me Babble on here in the intro and outro? But Duke Johnson traded to the Houston Texans for a twenty twenty fourth round pick and for that 2020 fourth-round pick that can become a third rounder. It's actually a pretty expensive price. So I'm interested to see how the Texans utilize to Johnson vis-à-vis Lamar Miller. I think they can be complementary. This is no doubt a ding to Miller's value, but frankly Miller was an expensive. Anyway, however, if you've been investing in Duke Johnson, like I have a ton hoping that he got traded this is kind of What you were hoping for you wanted him to go to Tampa. Tampa would have been the spot where he would have definitely been the best back there. But this one isn't too bad either. Hopefully Bill O'Brien finds a way to get Duke Johnson the football the Texans obviously had this in the work. So it's important for them. It's an important fantasy move and it clears up the Log Jam in Cleveland Nick Chubb now a top 10 back in my rankings. I'll be talking about that and the trade with Tom Brolly on tomorrow's podcast. That's Friday, August 9th of 2019 and Of course, we're going to be talking preseason NFL football. Obviously Tom, he's going to be doing the heavy lifting making sure a he watches every single snap of every single game before I talk to him tomorrow. So hopefully Tom isn't too tired when he does that you could follow me on Twitter @ FG underscore Dolan follow Tom Brawley on Twitter at Tom Brawley follow the podcast and the blog at tff a fantasy. You can follow for updates on all of those where we retweet everything. 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In the final podcast before NFL preseason action commences, Joe Dolan (@FG_Dolan) and Greg Cosell (@gregcosell) talk about some of the biggest camp storylines so far. Joe and Greg break down the Duke Johnson trade to Houston, the Jets’ offensive line improvements, Jameis Winston’s decision-making, Dak Prescott’s future, and the explosive Eagles training camp. A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php. To draft against Joe, join the Rotowire Online Championship and select the online draft time of 8/20 at 9:30 PM Eastern. To draft against Tom, do the same on 8/27 at 9:30 PM Eastern. Play for the $200,000 grand prize!

The almost perfect podcast welcome to the almost perfect podcast celebration of fuck-ups failures and falling flat on your face. There's a podcast of leaves you can learn from experience, but that experience doesn't have to be your own. Huh, Amber perfect a non-functional fuck up. Let's learn from somebody else's mistakes. And today we're going to learn from Lee for Mark now leave is one of my oldest smartest and mostWorld War One friends she's yeah literally travel the world and done a million different jobs over the course of the last and I 20 30 years or so, probably not 30 years. She's only like in the early 40s now but yeah atleast done a whole lot of things and it's finally found the thing that you know brings her joy and purpose in terms of occupation and she's a stylist. 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But we're friends, right we go away fucking back you and I yeah, thank you at 24 or so when I met you roughly around that age. How old are you now 30 32 in like a few weeks when this comes out. Yeah. I don't know I could work it out. I was about 27. And and I'd come home and you were at a bar and I saw you and I was like, she's a cat. Yeah, it was a burn. Yeah, and you were wearing your tennis gear. It was a party though. Like there was it was it was a dress-up party how dinosaurs for this one? It was definitely not a look. There were a lot of dress-up parties that burned back in the day. So did I just dress up this one that all together tennis, but you had the look ahead a headband on I watch with a green stripe in the middle of it and And I think like a polo tennis guy could Tennessee shirt and you had like a hundred people around you and everyone is drinking shots and you're like laughs and saw the party and I was wondering shots and I think about a hundred shots. There you go. Yeah, but I don't need been away for like seven months or something and kind of knew everybody in the scene before I left all the sudden. There's this new guy was like, who is this person kind of got to know him and then yacht rest is history and then the rest is history. Well, so, where'd you just come back from that's part of the sea. And then right so I had gone to Bangkok ostensibly on a year to go teach English as we all do but had this was a while ago before it was like, yeah, I kind of hipster English teacher. There were a few people who done it and it was a friend of mine Andrew Hepburn that was doing it at the time the relation to Audrey could be a great great great great grandson. He's also got great style. Okay, but yeah, and he every time he would come back and I'd see him at all. Burn as well and he told me about his travels and I was like fuck I really want your life and the one night. He just looked at me and said well then have it and so I did my salta and I went overseas to teach but it was not the dream that I had envisaged. I think most people feel that way about it when they yeah, it's not. Yeah because you said Bangkok was like just a crazy crazy City. Yeah. It's like the most extrasensory mental explodes as lots of smells like so Sounds every smile most of them bad because it's just like I don't know who did the town planning in Bangkok, but it's like you've got a little like a five-star hotel and extra slum next to a residential house next to a restaurant. I mean, it does sound like South Africa let's it is quite a lot like South Africa and that way it looks very different because it's the Buddhist influence, but if you took cultural stylings out of it is actually quite similar to South Africa cities in that way but more residential in the city. Yeah. But just you walking along a Pavements and then you know, there's a guy throwing out the fish water from an hour ago next to a salon that's got you know, these lemongrass sense coming out of it and it's 42 degrees. So everything's baking and it's just hot hot hot so I know people who've gone to Bangkok and walked out of their hotel room go and fuck no back into the hotel room and just done the tourist shirt because that's are kind and you can't smell Bangkok but coming from Durban I fucking Love that shirt. It just it feels so alive. Yeah, but then what made you leave was the actual teaching like the issue somewhat are trained to teach adults and when I got there I was teaching kids and it's a vastly different experience. I love children. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to discipline them though. Yeah, you know, I mean like if there's an adult in your class they want to be there. They want to learn English. I'm Keen but these kids wanted literally nothing to do and certainly you have to get their attention. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it'd be more like not shout because tires don't like negative emotions. So you have to be positive about everything but it's very hard to be positive especially with like the teenagers who no matter how cool you think you are there rolling the eyes in the back of the room and you like fuck. I'm not cool. That's not cool. That's so that's so that's the u.s. Like a 20 something like and they're like we need seven I what I thought I was the UN to help things like yeah, it's Harding some tattoos. I to take out some facial piercings, but I still like thought I was the coolest. Most of the teachers that at the schools are taught at but these girls were like like literally literally just on their phones their phones were like mirrors they were doing the if I can faces they wanted nothing to do with me, but it was also so that was a big part of it. I think in my first week there and I was there for a year contract and my first week I tallied up how many hours I was going to have to teach before I came home just to like so I could knock them off and be like a cat's 3200 it and then go down because I really didn't enjoy. Teaching but it was more apart from South Africa had not spent any time in a non-english-speaking place and I didn't realize the toll that that would take on my sake and the only way that I can describe it is you're in a place where there's so much noise and Bangkok specifically like so much noise, but you can't understand a word that's being spoken around you so it becomes this bubble where the noises all around but with it. Within the bubble. You can just hear your own thoughts facking loudly the whole time the whole time. So you become incredibly aware of all your bullshit and I as you know, I'm a person has a fair amount of shut up there. So I in retrospect. I feel like it was a hell of a jump start to a lot of changes that happens in to my in my life thereafter because it was just unavoidable you feel like it came late in your life though because like 2728 is fairly low. Do that. I mean I haven't done it. Yeah, and so are we such good friends? It was probably late and and compared to kids now who are probably like 20 loads. Yeah, and I've stopped their blogs by the time they 15 and really assistance themselves, but I think it probably it was late, but I was from 16. I got myself so distracted by, you know, partying and substances that I wasn't doing. Even just your average person's work on myself and you know looking at what my thoughts were or whatever. Yeah, I feel like my Affair push my twenties were probably fairly similar in that regard. Yeah. It's very easy to just be like I want to be absolutely fine because you're caught up in the job and everyone else around you is also doing the same things and so exactly and so the thing I mean we know each other basically from the party scene from the band scene and so you got into how did you get into that like cuz yeah like because I was also a thing like you came back and everyone knew who you Yeah, like yeah, actually some of the girls are really weird about that because I'd be away and then like the friends in a band had made these new girls. I could started our kind of groupies. I'm specifically talking about the Mars's and I came back and all these girls like they were young, you know, and they were in there with the bands and they like, who's this fucking doll? He's come back and is like besties of everyone. I'm like bitch. I don't know if I can competition. I'm 15 years older than you, you know, my brother's butt. Fuck. I don't know. I think I've always loved music. My parents raised me in a very like listening to music and caring about music but specifically 60 70 staff. And when I was about 16, I started going to shows we were going to clubs. They would have bans on certain nights. So it was the 90s when there's yeah ref station crash. They were predominantly DJ orientated clubs, but alternative DJ at yes and Always alternative they were they'd have like the main floor would be alternative and then they'd have a back flow. That would be like Electro Dance more, you know, they're kind of music in the background but alternative was the mainstream which is a strange sentence to save items such as life. Yeah, and that have bands like, you know, it was 90. It's a spring but new girls are rapper how there's like that there are started seeing live and even though they weren't necessarily like bands that I love the music. I Oh very caught up in the whole lot of music thing. I mean same like you said she like, you know, it's all go watch lots of live bands. They were necessarily my favorite, but it was just a cool thing to do. Like I enjoyed part of that. I enjoy being around that I enjoyed being around those kind of people. So that was always the appeal to me. It was just like even if the band sucked it was just cool to be a part of it. Yeah and generally speaking at that stage. There were more than one band on and arts. Yeah, if one sucked you could just wait. Yeah, hopefully usually like to see the first band would suck. That's kind of how it would go you always there for luck one band. Look at 70 name is that I just maybe even just saying right now, but I mean at this point this point, I'm sure you'll be fine like yeah, they're probably all dead by now. But so what were you doing at that time? I mean you are studying. We're at you. Well yet studied. So like finish school. Yeah. It's so you studied a paucity English and stuff. Yeah. I wanted to go to merits Berg. Just wanted to get out of the house. Didn't know what I wanted to study come from a Middle-class background so very privileged and that I can say that I not studying was not an option. My parents said just categorically you have to place it. Yep. Doesn't matter what you do you have to go though just to get that discipline and that degree. You know what I mean? It was that hanging over your head. You won't get a job without that degree and my sister had always known and you know, she went into the engineering and the economic so we'll get back to that. We'll get back to this one. I'm going to ask now. But yeah, how much has your degree helped you get jobs? Yuck because I studied English and then the majority of the jobs. I got in the beginning we're writing orientated. I think it's a deer adult that degree did help. I'm not sure if I would have necessarily like because that's like most of the stuff you do nowadays like a fuckin has nothing to do with Alexa and even having said that like when I was studying I wasn't studying because I thought oh, this is going to get me a job. Like I say my parents said just study and so you chose English teacher Yes, so English and then translated literature Spanish French German Russian, but all modern literature. So what was so what Riders are you reading? Yeah read for three years. I loved. Oh, yeah line was Latin American. Look at that church. I obsessed with reading been reading since I was three absolutely love reading had no intention of becoming a writer or anything like that, but just thought if I can do it and for three years keep my parents happy and Party was basically the plan and so did you get a merit spoke to do that? No, my parents in their Infinite Wisdom knew that if I had gone away. I would have definitely failed and how to be a dad. So they said nah stay at home. So I stayed at home and in retrospect, I mean merits Burger. Come on, I would have employed it. Yeah. Also, you would have had to go to a crowded house every week. Exactly and not only when all the fuck arising and reflecting and whatever name was a hardcore scene in merits Berg well for a little while yeah grungy, yeah. I dodged a bullet there you definitely did. And so yeah, so you studied your case addenda. So studied jaquez UND when I was there. Okay, every time you close it in a year or two backs. I mean after that. Yeah, so we were the last that got the UND degrees and then after Varsity, I went traveling for a while my dad I'd broken up with my first unfortunately not last toxic boyfriend relationship and my My father wanted to give me away from him as quickly as possible. So he bought us at that stage. They used to sell these round the world tickets that were super cheap if you traveled in One Direction. Okay, so you packed like if you left South Africa and you picked think you were allowed like three or four countries as long as it went, so we were like as I was America England and then back and then it was like ridiculously cheap so he bought myself a mess. That those tickets and got us fucking hell out of Dodge and then I stayed over the F like to use because we all had those like working South African Visa Vibes worked in music stores. And that's when I started to see like bands big bad like that you really want. Yeah and big Productions and start to go to music festivals. I was already going to splashy's I don't think I'd done like wood stocks and stuff in South Africa yet, but I definitely go into like three or four splashy's by then and then ramped it up and went to Houston. Yeah, how big is the The so you've done Glastonbury. I mean that's just completely it's their biggest hands down the biggest Festival I've ever done. But what is that even like like I don't want to go to it. Like there's nothing about that appeals and the first night. I went with my sister and a bunch of our friends and we got there in the evening. It was a really dark we drove in we'd been bussed there. We drove in finding a place to pitch a tent was like impossible. They were you know, semi roads same as as flashy like you can tell where you're not supposed. You camp and whatever and we would just you know, checking checking checking and you'd find this tiny corner. I'm gonna Corner yeah, and you okay and if I mean we looked around for hours eventually we found these little spots that we could have like four tenths because they were a few of us and we pitched our tent and we went straight to sleep. There's no music that night and you wake up the next day and step out of your tent and it's the most mind-blowing experience. There were 300,000 people there that year. It's a city. It's a hundred a city, but it just looks like fucking At ease because you know, every tent is a different country. As far as I can see are smart. He's four days the one day and this is I mean, it's hard to to kind of quantify but we walked from The Edge like the outside edge of the camping to the middle of the festival and that took us three hours. So it would be a six hour walk to get from one side to the other side, which I mean, I don't know how big that is, but it was fucking big that's but yeah, it's not cool. It's to that's not on my bucket list. Mmm fucker like I want to see my favorite bands on like a small like, you know, the underground or something, you know, like it's like England really hard experience to get through. So it's like our little first like or peas hard enough here. Like Opie's fucking hard and it makes Glastonbury look like little walk in the park like first night clearing our we'd watch like Chemical Brothers and you know, it was like that kind of okay, I mean was a job I would be into that. We saw Queens of the Stone Age on a tiny town is the first time that ever played a festival tiny stage 11. O'clock in the morning. We were trying to find some shade and their these fuckin dudes on stage. One of them's got there doc out because he did that from the beginning that guitarist and relax like these guys are pretty good. What are they called? Look on the you know fly, oh, it's Queens of the Stone Age never heard of them and then six months later. The album comes out and you're like, oh fuck, you know, but the big big bands you watching with a hundred thousand other people and then getting back to your anyway point of the story is we got into our 10,000 arts and we both just said, I cannot wait For this to be over so that we can have had the experience but we don't want to be here. I having yeah, you want to be able to look back on it already how many Transit would like that? Have you had learned quite a lot? Probably. Yeah, I think I mean I feel like that on on jobs on like hard jobs now. I like you like I know that in in time. This will be a wonderful thing to look back on but I kind of does help though when you're in a tough experience that you like, you know that that time is coming. That's definitely so quick. That is actually thought I do have some times when like going through a struggle with It's just like you know what we're gonna look back on this and it's just going to be something we laugh about. Yeah, hopefully, yeah, I think I think you have to have those those initial ones where you don't know that and you do look back and then it does absolutely help you get forward you like I'm in the shed or even before it's kind of like taking acid like you like. Yeah. This is a bad time right now. Yeah, but I'm gonna be a great story at a dinner party you end a yam is Identified a that's sort of scary in the nineties. I could imagine like that's the other thing. I've done like know something drugs are very different even from different back in the desert. Yeah even amounts change like I swear to God in the nineties a grandma just got than a gram is now and I'm not sure I was also back in the day like your take one pill between like five people. Yeah, look what but you know, I mean, it's like five poles between ones that would not have happened in the TS know you have died then you then your dad would have had your casket or with your face open. So everyone to see that you remember do you remember that story? It's I fuck was it Oh, I thought it was like some guy just like in a school in Durban that happened like yeah like a kid. Yeah, heck. Yeah every Saturday in the Saturday newspaper in the 90s. They would be like teen dies of ecstasy overdose. Like it was it was the rage. Wow. Designer drugs had just hit they were fucking strong. Nobody knew that you had to drink like all the water. Yeah, that's you know, you'd go out to be drinking already. Then you take something then you dry up and you just have to dance for for nine hours. That's often why I like even to these days. I mean I've had to take friends to hospitals and stuff and like I do think a lot of times like yo dawg just drink some fucking water water saves the day like you won't like a bit mean but also like yeah, like there's psychosis and like weird psychotic breaks happen. And like due to drugs. So if you're listening to this probably don't do it, but do it if you want I'm not gonna tell you not to but it's the Keith Richards thing if you're going to do drugs do expensive ones. Yeah, that's basically it. There's been an see I've just never been able to buy expensive drugs the house of your goal. You don't know I'm gonna perpetuate that so you did like it see that England for two years you look at England and then see the Bangkok after that. So you came back to South Africa. Yeah. In I worked in. Oh, yeah, then I was working in music stores. I was the kind of living like the be music orientated and I kind of living the dream of like what we would have seen like on a movie. Yeah, like, you know, like Empire Records is like well watched Empire Records. I got a job at CD City Andalusia Mall because it was going to be exactly the same. I mean, I worked in a sketch of how many years even animals were how we all made our bread and butter but it actually ended up like as much as you'd be like, oh, that's so cheesy. It's never going to be like it was in the movies it fucking was because everybody who worked at CDC has yet to lose him or Hell or watched Empire Records. So we all became caricatures of ourselves. We came up with habits that we went through the day of the people who worked at look at listen. Yeah Pavilion that yeah because half of them came to burn and yeah, absolutely, but yeah, but they were all that they were all characters and they all like had the music that they loved and they would like Leads us as well. Like our favorite thing to do would be to work in a music shop. If you weren't know we were can't so that's why you would accept the a trend an hour. Yeah. Yeah exactly because you got to laugh. It's so many people at the same time and that should Priceless somebody comes in and they go I'm looking for that song and they say the name and you're like, I'm not sure about that one. How does it go and they start singing and then variably sing shockingly and you're like no. No, I just sing a little bit more in common than you call over all your fucking team workers and it's fucking cruel. All make mistakes. So yeah, don't judge young people are mean. Yeah exactly. That's the takeout. So you've always kind of had a music like lean, but you so you studied writing. Yeah, you work some smooth music stores and stuff, but she eventually got a job as a writer. Yeah. So then I was writing for good old blunt magazine. It's not only got I got a letter published there when I was 16 I also and then I never got my watch. And then the out that every time I'd a big dirty review got published in the magazine shut down. So you've got to write for them for a while. Yeah, I did music reviews for quite a while and I owe my master. I master it. You might have had an influence on what I listen to well. I don't know because I don't know if it was I also wrote for saltwater goal and I understand why then I got given so many shit CDs because it was needed like 13 year old girls. I got a lot of like S Club 7 and shit, but even for blunt, I mean it was just a sign of the times I was getting like stained and And Puddle of Mudd and I but that was blunt at that time. Yeah, why is but they weren't giving me like I'm gonna say Deftones and I you're a you're a hater. No Matt, so I used to be a hater but I'm going to I'm going to appreciate their tons of cannoli the stories. I went giving me that they can be stained. Yes. I am mainly Road really scathing reviews and I actually got fired from saltwater girl because I wrote specially scathing review of S Club 7 and I think I remember that like, that was no. Yeah. You were worried ready for saltwater girl win. When we knew each other so yeah. Yeah it was I basically my review was listing all the people involved in the album and saying those are all the people that could have stopped this because there were so many people involved an album and then they got hate mail about me and I'm not sure saltwater go ever, you know, I was expecting hate mail. I mean, that's a good thing though. Typically, well they didn't they said we firing you because you've got too many opinions. So then I wrote like a farewell article and kudos to them they published. Get it, but I wrote an article on being opinionated and why I thought at the time in my 24 year old wisdom that being super opinionated was a very good thing because at least you had the wherewithal to know how you felt about something. I'm not saying my opinions or so. How do you feel how do you feel about that now because of age and wasn't because I mean, I definitely feel look at Derby does yours and the shit we wrote their kind of similar, you know? Yeah. I mean you definitely temper your shirt with age and kind of I guess Is that you could hurt people or step on toes or fan or whatever as well? It's for your own legal that you do it as well. I absolutely I had a soapbox and I wanted everyone to know how cool you are for I think we both feel like yeah scared of my opinion was and rah. Rah rah, and I definitely don't think that I go around and do that anymore. But if you sit next to me at a you know dinner party, I'm oh you got some scathing opinions. Yeah. No, that's my favorite. Things are batches. We can just sit at like not engage with anyone else like the whole night and just be taking the piss out of Everyone in everything that's going on. It's a lot of fun. That's enough. You don't want to change your call. I think that's the thing about aging is like you do. There are so many things that you learn and change but I die. Maybe I didn't always like it but I really like my call and it's you know cheese is a science that makes you who you are it is who you are and we are all individuals and so I'm glad that that hasn't changed. It's just how you express that call and like yeah, I do find that as you get older hopefully your ego like takes over less like The twenties are such an ego-driven like so ego-driven. I can genuinely genuinely say that I don't care what people think about me now, like I don't I'm like in a weird place because I kind of have to care because I've got to sell stuff and that stuff is me. Yeah, but you're also in a weird space because from the get-go you haven't cared in the same way as the rest of us do yeah, like he had a lot braver to be yourself from the get-go. Well a version of myself like I was never like it's never been Myself, it's always been an identity that like I was trying to put forth, I guess whereas nowadays. It's more actually about trying to be myself. Yeah, like and less of an identity and that's like the struggle I guess. Yeah, that is I've definitely had struggles with that for Xiao. So you wrote for saltwater guy eventually got fired from them. Yeah. I was doing that. I was I was also kind of an underling for a very well-known music promoter in South Africa at the time who was Stand ssibly training me up to take over the festival that he ran but it was more like I eat Chinese food and listen to him. Tell his Heyday stories. You know, I did that for a few years. I know the guy talking about it I can he definitely imagine. Yeah spoiler alert. I never took over the first of all, I know I guess I learned a lot. Yes, I did that that took up a lot of my time for a while. And how many years was I remember? Yeah, you worked in a festival. Yeah say that was about to two years that I was there. And I mean we were Affiliated to a fair number of the record companies. So I like learnt a lot about you know, the production and the distribution and signing and managed a band or two. I used to I remember that as well later on ran stages at splashy and and you know tried to get kind of alternative sounding bands onto bigger bowls and you did that. So I mean also when I like managed to book the one year for the Winston Pub, man Trying to stuff like that as well. Yeah, and we did that that Winston Stage IT splashy together. There was noodles are fun. It was but it was a bit of a mess. Yeah, I would say the hardest part was like always running around and trying to make sure you were going to be where you needed to be particular to be. Yeah. I was the band's was surprisingly easy to fucking find yeah. I was I was part of her but that was yeah. It was like every 45 minutes. I had to find you it splashy and get you back to the stage to enter the next band. Yeah, but the thing is I wasn't even went to like a book the band's I was meant to do it and I freaking chickened out because I'm so scared of microphones, which you're holding in your hand right now. Yeah, it's not the microphone. It's the audience and the audience exactly its audience. Yeah. So then yeah, I'd say MC like that Festival meanwhile like I don't even want to other like I'm not going to mention on cost just like nah absolutely trashed. I was on that face like the whole time. It was a joke, but yeah pulled it off. We pulled it off with dead people. I enjoyed that part and I mean it did help me eventually like book for Outland and stuff as well I said but so was this like a parrot of your life where you were just like trying anything music-related, basically. Yeah. Yeah. I was again I'd say I was living in a privileged space where it wasn't hugely about the money. I was still staying with my parents and then I moved out and moved in with my sister who's always been the responsible moneyed one. So she was kind of supporting my lifestyle at that point and I was just doing anything. I wasn't even really doing it to two survivors doing it to save. If money's got overseas festivals, it was like all about watching bands and then I would write about them and then make enough money to do more of that and I did that for for quite a while until yeah. I mean, I guess eventually it's when I started. Oh, I know it's because of the fucking Visa. It's the South African passport. Yeah system that I kind of ran out of places I could travel to overseas for on a South African passport. So that's when I spoke to that guy Andrew who said you can have my life and if you have a salsa and you want to teach You can travel they don't care about your Visa. I mean you possible to so that's when I did that and then I got into teaching and I kind of left music as you know, as a career if you want to call it that by the way side and then just carried on but we have a shows and stuff as fireman. But when the cameras left good didn't you work in them? Yeah, we'll still dabbling. I mean I still involved with with splashy and with the guys at the Winston, but I don't think I was necessarily pushing it I was over. No and by then I had a job. Yeah, so what was that? Because you felt so the reason why I'm chatting to on those cast like it's because you've done so many different things like and that's what like I love about you is like you're a prime example of someone just you know, living their own life. Like I'm just like not going with a plan not going out. This is how I'm gonna be in this one when you do but it's still going just who I'm going to be today. Yeah, so that was obviously as you say like not planned I'm and I thought about it a little bit when you asked me to do this. The first thing I did was actually like write down all the things you've done because I was like fuck I'm gonna forget something and even now chatting. I'm like, how did that kind of like work in chronological order, but it was also kind of I did have dreams and plans for my life and maybe this can be like another conversation that we have at some point because it was very fear-based and sabotaging myself before I could feel failure that stop me from ever actually. Putting my hat in the ring and saying that is what I want to do. I am Li for Mark and I want to be an actress Arata. Those are the things that I absolutely knew that I was good at and then I wanted to be and then I was you know, that would fulfill my work life. So you got into the writing part. I did get into the writing thing, but I will put it then it's not actually what you think it is. No because the the writing in my head that I wanted to do was creative. It was novels. I was just novels for days and book tours and novels like that's what I want. To be rotting the stuff. I studied at Varsity. It's weird like I love that stuff. But I've always just kind of see myself as a music journalist guy. You know, like just Almost Famous. Fuck I was about to say, yeah, I watched that movie. I was like, yeah, that's that's the thing I want to do. Yeah. Well, you're lucky your watch it early my dad watching the 60s and it fucked him up because he was like what I was supposed to be on that bus like that's he just wants to be Cameron Crowe and too late buddy obsessed at the movie. Oh, wow. Yeah it transcends Generations. Yeah, but yeah, so basically the fact II had put aside all these things I didn't even try to do the things that I really wanted to do and I started a process of doing what are the fell in my lap or or stuff that I felt like I could do like but is that not a bad thing? Like it gives you like Jesus in retrospect. It's the best thing I ever did and maybe this is also the human need to create meaning and patterns and our lives, but my particular Journey. And my parents have said it to me people who've watched me from from the sidelines have said that along the way it didn't make sense. And to me it didn't make sense to me like from the outside. It's always kind of made sense really like yeah, like the things that you do and why you do them, like all aspects of yourself that like I said, I do agree like it makes sense for me. Yeah, but what I mean is that now if I look back it makes sense in terms of getting me to finally 41 doing a job that I fucking love and that like every single job that I've done up until now has not just given me like a basic skills. Like if I can, you know, great emailing skills, but like actually like core skills and attributes and understandings of different industries that now play out in my job and make What I do now, it's just it's kind of easier for me to be better. Let's actually just get to that like what do you do now? So I'm a stylist so wardrobe and props Tallis said buildings. I work majority on Advertising for most people most people are going to say most people going to think a stylist is someone who's just dressing people in close. Oh, right. Okay, so I don't do any profits yet. I would actually like to do that. I would like to take rich people's money and make them look better you could do that. Yeah. I think I could do that and I generally walk around malls thinking that Needs it. So I mean, I don't understand how you walk around the mall where there is, you know clothing around you all the time and you look like such it you read magazines. How do you look in the mirror and go out? You know, it's those are mine. So, yeah, I would love to do that when the energy to be on set for 14 hours a day, you know is not there. So what kind of styling do you actually do? So yeah, I started out in Cape Town and I started out doing fashion styling. So starting models for shoots. And what does that usually ends Okay, so I would entail like depending on the job but broad Strokes it entails getting a brief for what that shoot needs to look and feel like getting the models sizes going out and sourcing that clothing whether it be from stores from divot designers from hiring places getting far more options than I needed because people lie about their sizes and people change their minds on set directors. So you have to have shit tons of stuff and then actually on set to Day to day stuff of like a steaming garments dressing people watching the entire process so that if one fucking color pops up when it's not mean to you can fix that stuff that normal people total olds behind the photo shoot is exactly like if I see a Magazine spread, I will see the one Kris that's still there and nobody else fucking sees it but stylists are like the most anally I mean well, it's seeming like writers see like grabbing a yeah, so yeah. Yeah. Then at the end of a shoot, you know, making sure everything's still there and doing returns back to stores or designers or whatever. So that's like a basic fashion. Shoot advertising is very similar. There's just more money involved which is great advertising obviously their rates are higher because they've got Brands backing them and then the props get involved and set set dressing gets involved. So because that's what you're doing now is yeah, that's more the focus. Yeah. So instead of it being a dress this model. It's Come into the studio make the studio look like a doctor's room. So the chair the table the lighting that it going out and actually sourcing the table. So if you're doing like a shoot where you need to have like a dentist, you're going to either get a dentist room or you're going to find a dentist chair like fucking hope that production has found a dentist room, but if not, you build it in studio. You have to find the dancers chair. You're going to have to get like a gas giant. Okay town that is puss easy because they are millions and millions and millions of hiring places that have there are hundred dentist chairs to choose from depending on what area and color and whatever that you want and you hired for the day gets delivered and it's done but in Durban you have to troll through gum tree and put it on Facebook and you know, really really really work to find that thing which has been a challenge but at the same time, I've got to know my city so much better. Well don't say it. Look there's them not make the job more entertaining for you or more like more doesn't doesn't give it more enjoyable it t to you in a while. It's frustrating sometimes though because I can't do it. Right and sometimes I have to make the thing, you know if they don't have if I can't find the chair. I've got to get the fucking shit you made it does what I'm saying is like is that like a huge frustration for you? Or is it also a part of the job that you kind of weirdly? Enjoy? No. I mean I am enjoying it now in the beginning because I could compare it to Cape Town it annoyed me. But now it's like you got a MacGyver stuff. Look. Yeah, absolutely. And it's Solutions driven rather than problems driven, which is again first Monster. It's yeah, I can tend to be quite a pessimistic person Sam and that pushes me forward and out. Of that which I really do appreciate. Yeah, because all I can get so like when some problems come up like I got a remind myself like just to go like growth mindsets like you could solve it like rather than just like fuck this up Dynam over the shit. So what do you say to yourself growth mindset? Essentially? It's just that was just like just remind yourself like we can do this. Yeah, like it's okay like yet. It's just a setback. It's a nice effect that you're going to have more like, yeah, absolutely like we would if you can't get through this fucking thing and like what the fuck are you doing it if I can't I will break you you know, like I had a boss when I was 30 and he used to say you're a builder not a broker and that I hear his voice all the time. Like it doesn't matter about the problem just find a fuckin solution and it doesn't have to be the perfect like it makes you think out the box exactly just start trying to find Solutions - oh, that's so because that's why I could see so why does this job appeal to you? Like because I mean like you're saying like, I mean, we'll probably get into some of your other jobs. Yeah get it. Right. So you've yeah bands you've managed bands. You've been a teacher and all of that. Yeah, so why does being a stylist now on Howard like this? How does this any of this relate? Yeah. Well, I mean she's if I look back along the way like you boys had style you boys had a cool aesthetic like I mean like your we're in your flat right now, it looks dope as fuck. It looks like it's you know a photoshoot worthy house like and that's always been your Vibe like any time like I've seen you or like I'm like, you know in your spaces there well-manicured they will like put together. So yeah assault as well like you've got style it's never It's never been anything that I've thought about or natural thing for people. It's just you know, you express yourself and this this for me, it's the job that I have the most Freedom firstly. I'm a freelancer. So that goes a huge way to explain why I'm so happy. I am I've got a bug in my kitchen right now that says the world's it actually is the world's. Okay, esteem Ploy e that's a lie. I was the world's worst employee because I'm with you I will do Do the Babe fucking minimum? I really really well. Give me my paycheck. I will start you know, really paying attention had caught it too far. This is why I like I needed the freelance laugh as well because I was the same way like I would do jobs and just do as little as fucking possible like and not do your job well and like and no matter how like I could be into the job. I've had incredible buses and therefore incredible company Bad Bosses who are my friends like and it just sucks like that eight to five some people just aren't Does having to go to a place to do a menial task over and over again? Like I need a challenge I need like that's why I like rotten can be frustrating but I mean even nowadays like my days are set up that like in three days the same anymore and it's like you're always working on different things and that's that's it for me is like no day is the same every single day physically looks different I wake up at a different time every single day. I don't have a set alarm like some days. It's for some times 10 because never 10 anymore, but I'm aging some days at sea. It's quite often. Actually. Yeah tens a bit late these days. I don't sleep anymore like I sleeping but it's last time I don't drink anymore. So hangovers, you know, I'd sleep until to if I drooled until for the yeah, but yeah, I know seven o'clock now, I'm like, ooh, that was a good lion. It's fucking weird. But yeah my days look different. I Am My Own Boss if I don't want to fucking take a job for a week because I'm going away and then I just don't do that. I work with any hot dear clients like line of the Other lots of like there's a lot of competition and urban what's the deal there is enough there's enough of us for the work that there is obviously Durbin doesn't have the same industry as Cape Town or joburg, but we do have like, you know in bold clients like mr. Prices ya know. We've got a lot I really was hugely surprising on me, but it was a huge fashion industry here. Like a lot of South Africa's fashion Industries comes from here and a hue and loads and loads and loads of ad agencies and they're shooting all the fucking time. So there's a lot more work than I expected but The less resources suddenly got 30 starters. It's you know that came in from Chi-Town. We would be fucked like I would say there's probably ten of us that I like at the level that we're working all in their advertising industry and there's just enough for those 10. Like we all really good friends. We all know that WhatsApp group and we all Share info and we share jobs if I can do a job. I put it on the group somebody else picks it up. We're not scared of losing jobs to each other like you are in Cape Town, which is really really nice but Throne 11th girl into the mix and my kind of a caddy so Yeah, I'm here flying. So keeps on doing come here Sondra keeps threatening to come back and I'm like the song says yeah, John Ross. Does Tom. Yeah. He's his status in Cape Town. So stay there and yeah, I mean used to so you started doing it in Cape Town with yes. I was I was in advertising for close to 10 years before that. And I mean, I remember you and advertising here in Derby and then you move from Durban skate over to Cape Town to kind of be on Cave time, but also to get away from yet another Other toxic relationship and this case aren't you get like a fresh fresh start and whatever and carried on an advertising for about a year and a half. Also just you've done all the typical Durbin think so you've gone overseas to study English. You did England. I mean, I'd study. Who's that girl Devon? Yeah, then then you went to England to years. I mean at the time with that was a thing it was the thing to do like if you had like, you know a passport so you could do it's like you can't so much anymore and then Like the Lost thing called open instead. Let's go to Cape Town. Yeah, I tried to like still maintain some individuality and that I didn't like Cape Town. I never got all like gooey about the mountain and actually really battled in case not because I'm disturbing so much. It's weird how you can go on holiday to place and love and it's so different. Yeah, they've their coupons right for a week. Like it's not even like I get the vibe is different in a place, but the vegetation pissed me off. Like I went on holiday a million times loved it to bits and pieces thought it was the most beautiful place ever move there. And the first thing I noticed was like it's really scrubby yeah is you know, we're fucking tropical here and we were my palm trees. We were my banana cheese. Where is my brown sand? I don't want watts and that should end real like it's fun on the beach, but put it in the CBD. It's not right. Everything just looks weird. Yeah, and even like on a mountain beautiful mountain walk on the mountain and it's scrub. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? That's Bramble rest. Yeah, so like tents on no. No, it's not quite like Berman Bush or you go to cons club for your time. And I just for me that just like I only hit when I got there and I was like, oh shit what have I done? But now I'm yeah, so I can't go back to my television my legs. That's the same thing like with Bangkok like just cancel out the hours of like I'm gonna works but instead you looking for five years and you could have left at any time Bangkok was what a stand under curfew so we know drugs but in Cape Town I managed to distract myself. Stay but yeah, so I went over and I stayed in advertising basically for like a year and a half and like I mean, it's obviously you're like a talented writer. So copyrighted would have been nothing but that's not what you did. No, so when I first I had been in PR, okay, so that was the step between teaching and advertising was I got a job in a PR agency where our press releases and and I got that job. So that was a job. I got because I had an English degree. Never mind, the English degree was in literature not ratting, but whatevs bro I wrote was literally in reading and not right exactly and press releases aren't going to win a Pulitzer Prize anytime soon. But you know God my God fuck. No so so yes, I was in PR as hating it my dear friend Matt Wilkinson who had known from the 90s and prayers and pissed off and all that shit. He had gone into advertising and he said to me hey heads up. Up. He sits at he yeah, he I mean he's owns an agency now is doing super well, but he said to me there's two ways you can get into advertising one is copywriting and you'll make 5K or month. The other one is account management and you make 15 KMS and guess what you chose? Yeah. I remembered what you chose destroying but I mean, but so it's copyrights on an advertising what exactly so if you're gonna destroy your soul, it would have destroyed my soul and my writing my love of writing so Yes, I win for more money. And and I did do good. I liked agency. Laughs is pretty cool. I had a huge problem in that. I hate capitalism and consumerism. So the selling of things really, you know, didn't sit well with me and I think the universe is also happy but the universe was trying to push me out faster than I was I don't move very fast. So I literally literally apart from like a few Pizza brands that I worked on. I only got given sin Brands. So pharmaceutical company is Petroleum companies casinos. It's not even just like alcohol, which is what I was thinking. Yeah, that's really big farmer. Oh, yeah. I remember when I remember one of the oil companies that you're working like yeah. Oh and I did that one underwear brand that you are my model. Yes. Yes. I got you have photos of that still in case anybody wants to although that was that yeah, not much of that sort of Latter day that I know a company shame. I felt really bad for those guys. They did a really good job, but then I don't know marketing. Yeah. Also the end of it sucked all public wasn't comfortable. Oh was it not? No, it wasn't like that was just you modeling and underway doesn't look comfortable for you. But it was it actually just the cut the cuts weren't great. I mean like you guys gave me what like 50 pairs of them. Yeah. Thank you during them out of cars at one point. Oh, well, there was a video that we did for I did we do that on purpose. Yes. We're anyway, there's any way okay now, this is not a podcast about the many many many many times by was that his ass out in public. No, We should do an entire episode. I can't remember it. So then jeans throw the Gino. Let's just Kara talking about you. Oh, it's all right. I worked for the farmer or you work for advertising again. And then so I hated it. So I was telling the story the other day of having like there's a picture of you know, those frames that you pop an advert in on the side. Oh, yeah and somebody it's a famous picture now somebody had just Tags over it and just says the joy of not being sold to yeah sold anything. Yeah, I had that as my screensaver. I remember the first time I saw that was on your computer. Yeah, I got called into the MDS office and chest has like a child because I was in advertising and I was lowering morale and it and I'm like, we're all fucking grown-ass people we can make up our own minds, but obviously I was in the wrong career. Yeah early. I mean, I think most people in advertising on the wrong career, but they're good at it because they're Creative and they're scared to do anything else. You can manipulate your skills in the right way for advertising. Yeah. I mean like they all genuine skills. People skills make you a great client service. Just listen how many like creative people, you know who are good artists and stuff go to Vega to do graphic design and yam designers in the thing where they could have become lots of steps. But lately it's you know, you can yeah, you go into those things because of the security. Yeah, and it's because it's creative adjacent. I don't think it's necessarily really that clear. like the Jason no, it's not because the brief starts off and that's not particularly creative and obviously whatever the brief is they put down their first big as most creative idea within it's a really been boxed and then there's the 17 and then you would have work that from there, you know, and I distinctly remember my first Ad Agency where I sat there was a long row of designers to my left all the way that way and I swear to God you could see them get more and more hunched every day. It was like gravity was taking a different toll on the designers from everyone else because we were in there like just gift of the gabbing and talking or whatever and these guys were literally Ankara gum hunkering down to make art or to change their heart into something that a consumer and it was fucking it was actually quite debilitating to watch so but then I got into it as a safety net. You know, I was making more money than I'd ever expected to make missing. I think a lot of people listening to us now. We're Because you know, I'm sure quite a few people listening and advertising and or any job that feels safetied. Yeah, you know, I have never cared about the retirement annuity and the pension that didn't bother me. But but having enough money that I could live my not particularly extravagant lifestyle, but you know, I like stuff and I was living that and I not that I was going on like crazy trips, but I was never short of cash put it that way and and that felt like that was more important than my soul dying for a really long time. But I think your soldiers eventually hits a brick wall and goes not made like I need so I'm not sure when I would have gotten out of advertising or if I would ever have gotten out of advertising but in truly form something else fell in my lap and at that time I started dating a photographer who was in fashion in Cape Town and after a few months of him noticing how huge my wardrobe. It's and loving the way I put clothes together for myself. He asked me to start styling for his shoots on the sidelines. And basically what happened in a in a nutshell is I started to slack off at my advertising job because I was making mood boards for our weekend shoots. I started taking sick days because I wanted to shoot and I remembered that. I'd moved to Cape Town to make a change and to be bold and their children the same thing you've been doing doughnuts. I was choosing the safe option and I was like, Fuck safe. Like I think I was 33 and I was starting to go like if I don't start living boldly now, it's a really pretty late as you point out. You know, you should be doing that shit when you in your 20s, but like if I don't start doing that now I'm going to get stuck in this in this in the safe Zone and it's going to be too late to change and I think that propelled me that fear of of not having time to change later. You know what I mean? Yeah, so then I quit my advertising job and became a stylist. Tom just that simple just that simple bar. It's like I mean, it's ignatian letter and then it's done and then you have to fucking eat. Well, yes. Oh, but then so how do you go from that is how do you go from? You know, you've now been at agency five years in Cape Town and the before that you've been doing in Durban. Yeah, so like, you know, like nine years of your life, but yeah is an agency laughs and now you go yeah freelancing where you have to like. Yeah Castle so I lived with my A credit card for a long time I learnt how little you can't survive on. Yeah, it was a hell of a interesting time for me because I had once before being like hungry poor like hungry. And that was I gone to England for three months not at the time with a Visa had gone over illegally a friend of mine. Wanted to see if he was going to get his ancestral. So he went over legally. I said I'd go for the ride and we lived in London in winter. Legally and we barely had jobs and we were we were fucking hungry a lot of the time we lived with a weed dealer though. So we had free weed. So that was quite nice. But well, that's why you are hungry mind. She is exactly and I lived off in all honesty my first two months of the three months. I only ate frozen peas from Iceland because they isn't frozen peas from Iceland. I think I think that's just cold Pease and Iceland. But now this time when I was poor and hungry and and proper hungry at times, I was also dating a drug addict who stole a lot of money from me. So I really had no money. You've got such good taste but everything's changed. I've turned my life around but the I was really really hungry but I saw it as a positive experience this time like I I would I was actively quite excited about seeing how little I could live on like, I've got a I've got like 10 around 27. What can I buy that is going to fill me like I was living Like that, and I understand that that is a reality for a lot of people inside. I'm really not trying to make this as light-hearted thing about poverty. But it for my experience it was the second time. I had lived like that and the change was that I believed in what I was doing. So I was I was okay being hungry and poor because I had a I had a goal and I had a dream and I was and I was willing to I didn't want to tell my parents how bad things were because they would have said to me get a fucking job. Yeah, I could have got a job that that again is my privilege speaking is I could have got a job at any point and not being hungry, but I wanted to really really really try the Starling thing. So I was hungry but that's also thing is if you do get a job, then you don't have time to do the styling thing properly and then you never really do it. Yeah, exactly. So there was the all those times that I wasn't working or like I didn't have enough money, but I carried on and I guess at some point that paid off and again having that like solder on set and yes, I'd get my job done with the models, but I was also Very good at like a talking to the agency people because I'd been one and I know exactly what clients need to hear and I know exactly what the AE needs to hear. And so, you know that it's makes being on this on this side of the fence way easier now that ya know percent and people, you know that side of the room really liked me and then they you know, I would be telling them why I'm starting at a certain way because of what they needed to say to their client, you know what I mean? So that added value for them. I think got me booked again and again and again, And I probably hacked for about a year before I started feeling like okay, I'm going to I'm going to be okay. This is going to bring in as much if not more money than the jobs that what did you think that was going to work? Because you're saying like, you know, you were hungry you were literally hungry. So what was the thing that actually inspired you to go? You know what? Yes, I'm hungry now, but I'm going to work through it because it's once again fairly late in your life to be thinking like that. You know, like that's that's tough. That you know actors do like in their twenties really like move to LA. You know, George Clooney of Starla. There you go about something, you know, like, you know, you always hear that thing of like someone you know, and they young 20s like, you know going to La and eating like, you know, you know don't job or even you know, something like that. Yeah, I understand right? I actually don't know. I wish that there was some like giants Epiphany moment that I could you know, tell the story about didn't knew that wizard. Epiphany probably came before that you like, you know, you just felt like this is exactly what you need to do. I think. Yep. I think that Epiphany was that I couldn't carry on doing what I'd been doing before I couldn't carry on working just for a paycheck that way lay a slow death. And because I have also always had addiction problems and substance abuse problems. If I allow myself to live in a space where I am either unhappy your unfulfilled or frustrated obviously, it'll lead to that and I can't be like happy everyday or whatever but yes in a Term situation then those are my crutches and those crutches lead to you know, really really dramatic fucking distraction. So I think I could also see that becoming a very very real problem. Okay. So basically that laughs leads you to unhappiness and that unhappiness leads you to your addictive side of life essential. Yeah. So you find like with this job at least that tempers are the bit more definitely like I'm not Saying that when I'm liking what I'm doing, but you're not going to like yeah that I mean, I've also gone through long periods of time where I've been very heavily using and I've been very happy in my life. The two are not mutually exclusive and I do have somewhat of a handle on those things at the moment, but that comes and goes but I just I know that when I am not good there is there's no reason to stop that. That yeah when I'm happy I can do it not as again. I'm not saying now but when I look back I can do it in a more recreational functional way where I can party on the weekend and I would never party during the week because I could you have to salute categorically don't want to fuck my job up. Whereas when you don't care about your job. You can Jolin a choose a nice open at that PR consultancy are We Joel we were all drawing it was when I was living with Marty and whatever and we rolling. Yeah, we're putting a lot. Yeah. I mean you guys weren't really even working back. Well, I was I was working. Yeah, but there is the guys I was working like weights ringing bartending job. So it was studying and whatever and I was getting up and going to well some days I was getting up and going to this job and I distinctly remember one occasion because I was actually in a public speaking engagement, but it happened numerous times. Where about one o'clock. Two o'clock in the afternoon. I would in inverted commas come to I'd been at work since eight o'clock in the morning. Yes. I had been yes. I'm not allowed to me and I come too. So the one this this particular time, I'm standing in a cinema. We were doing press tours. We had hired our Cinemas all around the country and we were showing these promotional movies and it was this whole blur bokeh, and I was talking to the Press. And that's when I came to and I was my thought was what the fuck am I wearing because I looked down and I'm wearing the clothes. I went out in the night before but I just put heels on so just like a plaid flannel shirts of my housemates boys ripped jeans and then these fucking I mean work shoes. I mean that is a look not entirely sure. I'd fucking brush my like who knows what I actually physically look like but that happens to me countless times. Ones because I didn't give a fuck about what I was doing. Whereas now I do so, it doesn't save me from addiction but it definitely gives me a reason to fuckin not want to use. Okay, that's understandable. I mean, I guess yeah, like having a thing to not want to fuck up like, you know gives you more of a reason to not do the things that make you fuck that up. That's what a lot of people I'm not going to say use but a lot of people have kids they don't have kids for that reason, but a lot of people who have kids That is a very good incentive. Yeah, like I can imagine like that something you've got this responsibility now. Yeah, I mean we'll look. Yeah, I mean that's a weird thing because looking fire, you know, so you can keep drinking in fact, you know, unfortunately some people do you know, but the thing is, I mean like like that thing they were like, you know with you look a lot of our friends who were jawless, you know, once they get kids they do change they do stop. Yeah, like, you know, a lot of people grow out of it. A lot of people's bodies can't take it anymore. You know, it's The body goes or all the kids come and people calm down and and that does generally happen and I think people who have really addictive destructive behaviors in their twenties and thirties need to be a little Kinder on themselves and allow that to possibly happen as a person who went to a 12-step program rehab as you know, and was told in no uncertain terms this you are fucked forever like you are. Powerless, this is I hate that shit about I hate that shit about the like, yeah, I'm sure yes, they are people who will be fuck forever and really do need every day to get down on their knees and fucking surrender. Yes. They are pure that's just traded one addiction for another shit ton of people who left to their own devices with a little bit more fucking life management skills would naturally grow out of those binge ways. Well, most of us do we do I'm fucking happens and 40 hangovers are real kids. Yeah, as you get old that is definitely the reason why I like I don't party as hard as I used to because fuck it. Like I just am over feeling shit the next day like Expedia. What is the longest hangover? You've had probably about two or three days, but that's also after like Joanna a weekend of like yeah. Yeah. Yeah four days for proper days proper like a really bad hangover for 4 days is not fucking fun. No, that's not how much you And on overeats Jesus Christ, I order two beats three times one afternoon. Like it's shocking see ya. I just wouldn't be able to do that your word because the thought of going to shop is so fucking heinous know like to see that's also a thing as because of my Brokenness. Like I always have to suffer the consequences of my actions have to trap to the check isn't go physically buy a loaf of bread. Well the thing is, I mean, I've got a BP across the road engine across the road at Gardens across the road like so I I'm still getting junk food. I'm just not getting a breeze to bring it to me. Oh man, this mean fun. This is yeah. It has been cool. It's actually been a lot more relaxed than I thought it would be but at the end of the day, I'm sitting on a couch talking to my homies. Yeah, so that's kind of how ya, like I knew it would work. I know you're a little bit nervous beforehand. But this has been a really cool chair. I think people can get a lot out of it. Although. Yeah, like the agency laughs I guess it's tough. We could talk a little bit more about and just the difference now like, How so for people that are in agencies now that might be thinking I could never do that. So I could never you know, give up my 15 to 20 grand and yeah, you know to go follow my dreams but hmm, you know, they're thinking that they kind of went to is there any advice you could give them shut, you know, I mean agencies have been around for x amount of time not fair since like the 20s but yeah twenties so a hundred years they've changed so much already if you just look at floor space on what's digital versus what's If you unhappy in an agency, I would say the first thing you should do is try to change roles because maybe maybe that's safety and the security is right for you, you know, that's a freelance is not for everybody know and and and there's a lot of good. I mean I'm there. I was like fucking dissing advertising and agencies and whatever but there is a shit-ton that of good that agencies can do and an individual people can pitch and proposed and and get involved in that way. So if you You just frustrated with with your clients. You can change that you can change your role in an agency. But I mean fuck at the end of the day. If you are doing what I was doing and waking up every morning and going I mean and you know earlier on it was is it Friday it is it Friday yet just so I could draw because you know you wishing away three quarters of you living for the weekend. Yeah, or just like not wanting to be found out that you're on fucking Google all day because you actually can't bring yourself to do the job then it definitely is time for a change. And those like when I was working at Hollywood like it was it was just constantly finding ways to not do the thing. I was going to be doing and then you spend the whole like the whole time also feeling guilty about that all you're going to get caught out. So you living with like for the part of you wants to get called out at the same time because you partially doing all that behavior because you want to get fired so you no longer have to go into this fucking job. Yeah, the super passive-aggressive way of dealing with your issues. Yeah. I know. Absolutely. I just think that there's so many fucking things that we can do. Do and agencies were like a really cool place to be for a really long time. And if you find out that you that you've tried it and it's not for you like it's fucking cheesy. But again fortune favors the brave like make the Bold decision leave something else will come because you will need to fucking eat, you know, and other thing is also if you have already worked at an agency or whatever or you already have like happening job, you're already in a privileged position you already T, like the chances of the transit of your fucking up. point that your life is ruined by quitting your job and following your dreams a lot lower than like someone who is, you know, any seven care like they ain't right and you can always go back to your agency or another agency with your one-year blogging experience and say this is what I've learned on my, you know, my dream year when I would like to come back like that and I can add value to them safety is always fucking there and I know that in all of those things that I did I could go back to all of those places that that maybe is again a privileged place of lack of had safety net. So it's been slightly easier for me to jump then it would be necessarily a few if you don't have that. But yeah, I've so fucking short laugh and it's also not that serious. So I feel like it's just worth the jump and see cool. Thank you very much. I think that's it. We're done awesome. Get out of the sweaty Apartments. Yeah, let's go get some air.

Leigh Vermaak is one of the smartest and most world-worn people I know. She’s lived a life that’s taken her all around the world and back to Durban, where she now works as a wardrobe and prop stylist. It took her quite a while to figure out that being a stylist is actually what she wants to do though. In this cast, we discuss the myriad of job titles Leigh has donned, from teaching in Thailand, to writing Creed reviews for Saltwater Girl, to managing bands, to eventually landing up as an accounts manager in advertising, and eventually getting out. Often, we hear the stories of people who feel their calling from a young age and find success early, but for Leigh, finding her calling only came in her 30s. She found herself sacrificing and going hungry for her dream job at a time where most other people are aiming for promotions. A few years later, she couldn’t be happier and is thriving in a relatively small industry back at home. Leigh is a fantastic storyteller and has quite an interesting story to tell. If you're struggling to find your way in life, this might just be for you.

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Now as always I just want to encourage you to listen with an open mind horoscopes are a general kind of art. There are a ton of people on the planet and there are not only twelve kinds of people. So as I offer your horoscope, I'm offering General suggestions and the energy that I'm receiving from the chart may or may not be applicable to you in exactly the way that I speak it. So, please listen for the sentiment or the Symbolism and what I'm saying apply it to yourself intuitively if you associate to something that I'm saying, that's the right thing. You can go down that road. Listen a couple of times ask questions to yourself kind of consider all the different ways that you could think about what I'm offering and always take what works leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are simply suggestions here for your best benefit and positive Evolution. I want to encourage you to listen to the horoscopes for at least Your son and your rising sign your sun sign is the season that you are born. It's what you answer when someone asks. Hey, what's your sign? Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born not everybody has this information, and so if you don't know your rising sign your sun sign is awesome to listen to some people really get into listening for their Moon signs for their Lena signs. There are all different signs for all the planets in your chart and really many of the horoscopes could speak to you. So I hope you oil, whichever ones you listen to Hello, Leo, welcome to the month ahead audio for scope and forecast for Leo season, happy birthday. If it's your sun sign hello to those of you who are Leo rising or otherwise Leo Affiliated this horoscope is for you. So creating horoscopes is somewhat of a general art. There are 12 signs and nine billion people on the planet and out of all those nine billion. People there are not just 12 types. So an astrological chart is quite complex. It's a very unique it's very subtle. And when I say that Leo has something to do with your identity Please interpret that in as Broad and as symbolic away as possible for you Leo as the sign that you're identifying with either sun rising or some other planet. This is why you're listening falls in the part of the chart that has to do. With your personality your identity and your appearance identity and appearance are things that are very very personal and also in some ways not at all. So how we identify it has a lot to do with how we're positioned where we come from what we come in with our genetic traits etcetera and our bodies and our appearance of course are the vehicles that we use to move through the world and how other people perceive us. And give us back to ourselves through their perceptions is part of what forms our identity over the past month in cancer season. There's been a lot of stuff that's been going on in a place that's quite below the surface for you. And so you may have had a lot of kind of like a vague feelings kind of bubbling up. Like there may have been some erratic - in your energy or uncertainty about how you're feeling. or what you're thinking, you know that something is kind of Shifting and changing but you're not really sure what it is as we get into Leo season what starts to get emphasized is your identity these issues of positioning how you've become who you are who you are now and who you are becoming this is a natural space of inquiry for a birthday season and something that I think probably most people do when Comes to their solar return when it comes to the time that they reflect on the year passed and the upcoming future. This summer is quite a remarkable summer astrologically because all of the personal planets and when I say personal planets, I'm including Mercury Venus Mars and the sun which of course is a star not a planet, but all of these personal planets are moving together throughout the summer. They started to kind of pile up in Gemini. They're all Moving together through cancer and then in Leo season they all pile up in your science. So this is a ton of energy coming into this really kind of basic fundamental part of your being which is your identity and it's your personality. And so there's going to be a lot of emphasis on who you are and who you want to be and recognition of how you've become this person that you are the fire signs are lit up throughout this month as I just said all the personal planets. And Leo start to aspect Jupiter in Sagittarius and Chiron in Aries for you. As a fire sign person. The fire signs rule the most personal places in the chart Leo rules the identity and appearance Sagittarius rules the place in the chart that speaks to your Creative Energy Your vitality your joy your personal expression Your Enthusiasm and your childlike innocence. It's kind of your pure expressive State Aries rules your solar. 9th house. This is the place in the chart that has to do with how you make meaning out of your life. What it is that you're searching for your purpose your path what is important to you and how you're seeking to grow with all of this fire energy this month. There's quite a lot of energy just in general energy for you as a person your stimulated you're growing your inspired your intuitive. The fire signs are also making several aspects. Month to earth and water this may bring some kind of frustration or agitation or a sense of urgency. It's like you can feel yourself changing. You've got a lot of inspiration a lot of intuition, but the challenge is to somehow make it relevant applicable practical to your daily life. You're trying to figure out how to change in yourself and with your shifting circumstances. There's also a need for you to be relational. To increase your sensitivity to become more aware of your relationships and to empathize to be compassionate. So as you go through the month just know that your energy is really big and part of what you're learning this month is how to apply your energy effectively and relationally so the sun moves into your sign on July 22nd, the sun will be in Leo through August 22nd, wherever the sun is, we're bringing Attention and conciousness Leo rules the part of the body. That is the most Central the heart and the spine. Please make sure to listen to my episode on Leo. So embodied astrology for Leo season in that episode. I talk a lot about Leo as an embodied experience for all signs for all people. Just what this is as an energy as a Radiance as a magnetism or resonance and some ways To access it and to use it in its kind of exalted or most beneficial manifestation on July 31st. There is a new moon in your sign at 8 degrees of Leo. So check your chart. If you are a person with your son or other planets around 8 degrees is going to be an important new moon for you a new moon is always a time for a new beginning. There's pretty much one new moon in each sign every year and so from now. Until next year August July of 2020 you're setting intentions for these next 12 months. So again, if it's your birthday season, this is going to feel pretty natural if it's not your birthday, but your Leo Rising take some time to think about your appearance your identity who you are who you're becoming and who you want to be on the 31st Mercury also stations direct at 23 degrees of cancer as I was Talking about in the beginning of your horoscope cancer is assigned directly preceding yours and this place in your chart describes. What is unconscious but innate so it's how you got to be who you are the kind of collective experience that gave birth to you as mercury turns direct you may start to have a deeper understanding of your essence and how you want to embody what it is that you are here to resonate how Want to vibrate your personality is something that you get to grow and evolve with and how your personality expresses itself in the world, of course has a lot to do with what kind of experiences you're going to have. I think that there's some pretty clear intuition that you're able to access right now about what kinds of experiences you're drawing in. I mean this in a very complete way this includes your relationships your work your general environment. At your living situation your financial situation. What kind of person do you want to be in the world? What kind of experiences do you want to have resonate in harmony with those experiences? There's something here about the power of Attraction. What you put out is also what you call in now I say this with the caveats all of the obvious caveats towards privileged for its positioning and just life circumstances. We can't control the external world. The Law of Attraction Works through subtle vibration but it works if you are loving and kind and authentic with the people in your life, you will have good relationships. You'll have better relationships and if you're cruel or dishonest, so it's this kind of thing you're kind of having some intuitive understanding and maybe some obvious reflection on your personality and its effect and at this new moon set your intentions for what you want. Want to grow into in these next 12 months definitely check back in with me with embodied astrology on that new moon for a ritual of some kinds to work with this energy and lunar cycle. August 11th is an extremely busy day in astrology Jupiter stations direct your honest stations retrograde and Mercury moves into Leo Jupiter has been retrograde since April 10th in Sagittarius. As I mentioned before Sagittarius rules your solar fifth house. This is the Place of your Creative Energy and Your vitality a Vitality is your Basic Energy for Life. The fifth house has to do with the fifth sign which is Leo. This is how you want to express yourself what it is that you're interested in what brings you Joy Sagittarius loves to learn loves to grow Jupiter in its retrograde has been going through a process or bringing you through a process of growth and learning about your own energy and you're Of capacity, how will you want to express yourself is changing and this is a really good thing. You're learning things about your expression your learning to express yourself in ways that are benefic that bring some kind of goodness into the world that brings some kind of goodness into your life as Jupiter stations direct you are starting to prepare to expand this energy and more tangible ways for the rest of 19 you're working with ideas. But as we get into 2020 you're ready to start to get a little bit more practical or concrete and some way. So now that Jupiter is direct you may have a lot of new ideas. There may be Clarity around how you want to again like expand the meaning of your life how you want to work with your vital energy if any of you are creative types or if you have hobbies that you really love. Love or pastimes or if your parents if you're working with children, you may have understanding about how you want to make more space how you want to craft or cultivate your projects in the future and this could start to get really exciting in these next couple of months. Now the same day you're honest turns retrograde in your solar 10th house where Taurus is this is the place in your chart that I call the house of adulting it's where you seek to achieve something where you have Ambitions for manifesting in the Old you're honest is bringing a new pioneering kind of energy into this part of your chart. It entered Taurus in May and will be transiting tourists for the next seven years. You are really supported right now to do something that's different. And this is basically the thing you want to do in your vocation in your career in your adult - however, it is that you're manifesting here on the Earth plane. You are doing something that is unique. That's Innovative in some Way, maybe you're interested in experimenting. This may just be again with your personality kind of feeling like you don't want to be confined in any boxes. You really have to grow big. You have to explore something you don't want to do what everybody else is doing. You want to be yourself over the course of these next five months as you're honest is retrograde. There's some kind of reflection process that you're in around how to do this and how to do this in a way that's going to be effective meaningful and good for you aligned. Your own energy. You're honest will turn Direct on January 12th 2020, which is the same day that Saturn and Pluto formed their conjunction in Capricorn is an important astrological event for anybody who's been listening to me or paying attention to astrology all swear. All the astrologers are talking about it. So once in 36 year cycle and for you this has a lot to do with your work your work in the world for some people this will definitely be career vocation job for other people. This has more of an energetic quality kind of who you're here to be and what it is that you really think is important then that you want to achieve in this life. But as I said, these next five months are a time of reflection and a big question is how to do this thing that you want to do or these things that you want to do in a way that is uniquely you with Mercury coming into your sign where it will Transit through August. Ninth, you have the planet of communication and mental cognition capacity coming into your personality into your identity Mercury as I mentioned meets up with Venus meets up with Mars. There's a ton of energy coming out of you right now. And as we move towards the full moon on August 15th, really pay attention to the kind of reflection that you get through your relationships, especially relationships with important. Partners or important friends with all of the personal planets in your sign. You are really expressing yourself quite strongly right now and very authentically. So even if you don't necessarily feel like you're a hundred percent on your game or you might feel confused. What is coming out of you from the point of view of other people feels very honest. It's like you're able to kind of Emanate or resonate directly from your Center. And so at this time it is important for you to pay attention to the reflections that you're getting from other people. So, of course, we all have kind of funky content in our own beings and some of your relationships and their Reflections might help you to see the parts of yourself. That normally are hard to see if you get feedback. That is not a compliment. Take the time to consider it really See if you can allow whatever feedback you're getting to be a teaching absorb the symbol of it and let yourself grow and expand. This is not a time to be down on yourself necessarily but it is a really great time to grow and I do want to say you've got a lot of magnetism right now and Leo is a sign that definitely likes to be validated. So if you get compliments let them in appreciate them on August 15. This is also the day that Curious Shadow is complete. So I talked about Mercury retrograde a few minutes ago with Mercury Shadow being complete you are supported to move forward with your plans. Now, we're out of that retrograde energy and projects that we want to begin or things that were wanting to continue our able to easily move forward at this point on August 17th, Mars moves into Virgo where it will Transit through October 4th on August 21st Venus moves. Into Virgo where it will Transit through September 15th, then on August 23rd, we start Virgo season the sun moves into that sign and on August 29th, Mercury will move into Virgo. So now we have all of the personal planets. We have Mars is energy action orientation force and drive Venus's benefit quality. Its beauty its Grace its magnetism. The sun's conscious awareness and Mercury's capacity for thinking Seeing hearing listening articulating and exchange coming into the part of your chart that sustains you so the sign that comes after yours helps you to sustain this is where we find information about your self-esteem your value systems how you support yourself how you support your sense of self? This includes basic nourishment like food, it also includes money and earned income. So as all the personal That's come into this part of your chart. You get a lot of momentum again towards something that is more practical that's tangible the Earth signs start to work together and the previous Transit side mentioned you're honest and Taurus and Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn now start to get really stimulated. You've got a lot of energy for some kind of project at this point. You're working hard to concretize something or to Lies something so throughout the course of this month. There's a ton of energy for you this energy evolves from a very intuitive more in articulate a ball liminal space into a very personal expressive space and by the end of the month you're in more of a practical and concrete mindset and it seems like there is quite a lot of momentum for you to be moving with something that you're formulating and that feels Really exciting. Please. Make sure to check back in with me for the full moon on August 15th. Also some kind of meditation or ritual to honor this lunar cycle, and then of course on August 23rd for Virgo season and your month ahead then thanks so much for listening and bye for now. Happy birthday. Happy Leo season.

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You were listening to the nasm CPT podcast with Rick Richie the official podcast of the National Academy of sports medicine. Welcome to that nasm CPT podcast. My name is Rick Ritchie. And today we're going to talk about the importance of being certified The Importance of Being certified again. I own several gyms in New York City and without fail within every month or two months.I get somebody that reaches out as an independent trainer and they want to train out of one of my facilities and they'll say you know, what do I need in order to train their and I give them a list of things and the first thing on that list is an accredited certification. So I need an up-to-date accredited certification and then it's insurance and CPR and their AED and a list of a few other things and majority of the time when somebody has a problem with something. It's the very first thing that I Ask for its well, I let my certification lapse but I've been in the industry for 20 years. And so I've got a lot more experience and a lot of these other people. I feel like just recertifying or getting certified maintaining certification. It's it's not important. It's just I'm spinning my wheels. I'm already certified and I also get people that say I already know this stuff. I know how to work out at work out on my own spending. Money to become certified is a waste of money and I don't need it. I I I usually just say hey, let me stop you right there. You're barking up the wrong tree with me man. If you were not certified, then you're not going to be able to train here. I mean, if you're going to tell somebody that something is not important when it comes to education in the field that you say that you want to be a part of that. Maybe you don't want to be a part of that field you imagine your medical. Doctor Who has the same requirements. They got to go and do continuing education every year or two years in order to maintain their license nurses have to do it massage therapists have to do at athletic trainers have to do it. But you as a personal trainer or so smart that you don't need to be up to date on any of the information that's coming out because it's unnecessary to you. I don't think that that's valuable. Step number one important part number one. You should want to be educated. You should desire to be educated and I'm going to tell you that I'm one of those guys that was surprised and I'm sure many of you are in that boat when I opened my very first personal training textbook. I opened it up and I thought what is this? Like I exercised already. I'm athletic but now I got to learn. This stuff it just seemed overwhelming and complicated and all I want to do is be able to count to 10 when people are like doing reps. You know what I mean? Like it's simple yeah, you open a textbook and you find out it's a bit more advanced than you thought it was going to be it's harder than you thought it was going to be. So we the industry weeds out a lot of people right there and yet people are still out there and they say well, I don't want to get certified don't need to get certified. I do the same stuff at the gym that I see all the trainer's doing a At the gym, so what does it matter? I think that you got to be real really really quite careful with that line of thinking. Being up to date and having something that shows that you're up to date which is what a valid certification and accredited certification. That's within the timeline of maintaining its validity. You need that. All right. Let me to being up-to-date and knowledge is one of the main reasons for getting certified. Textbooks for accredited certifications go through updates every four or five years something like that. So even the textbooks these companies are spending money. They're having researchers come in and authors come in and they update the content and they find the up-to-date research out there that's supporting the information that producing the textbook. So the the companies are staying up-to-date. The accredited ones are required to do that to maintain their accreditation. So it's valuable to even work with a company that's maintaining an up-to-date certification. Well, I've also had people come in and say well I have a degree in the field. I have a bachelor's in kinesiology and I agree with them when they say this I guarantee I learned more in my four years of college studying Kinesiology than somebody learns in a hundred and twenty day home study course and maybe a weekend Workshop that goes along with it. It that's probably true. Maybe that is true. But what keeps you up to date because I know that once I got my degrees nobody came around a few years later and said, you know, have you have you updated your degree? No, once once I graduated I graduated I I always will have a Bachelors in this and and I will always have a whatever in this go whatever field of study you did. You're always going to have that so nobody's asking you are you up to date but a certification does that every time? Years certification make sure that you're up to date every two years in something so and it has to be an approved provision. So whether that's college courses that you get credit for your certification or whether it's approved courses that the certifying body says we think that this person has good education good content. We will offer continuing education credits for this line of study towards the update of your credential. Then they provide that but so yeah, you you may have learned a lot more than I did in through your degree while I was doing my certification, but I have to continue to take courses every year to stay up to date and same thing goes again. We go back to the medical profession and we'll go back so that the doctors and the nurses and the LM teas and athletic trainers and physical therapists. All of the people have to stay up-to-date in their content. So Require that usually if you have a license, then there's a registration. So you have to maintain your license or registration. If you are a professional in a certain field that like like a doctor or physical therapist this just a way that trainers can maintain that I'll also say this many colleges are going to partner with a certifying body so nasm they may they may partner with ACSM or you know, like several hi. High quality providers of content and education and a lot of these colleges not just partner with them, but they prepared their students at to study and to pass this accredited certification as part of their coursework. So often times if you did go and get a degree that degree is preparing you for a certification not just for a degree of so you walk out not just as someone that has a bachelor's in exercise science. Kinesiology or physiology but you also walk out with a certification in as a personal trainer through the National Academy of sports medicine or whomever whatever certifying body is that partnered with with your college or university college is find the value of partnering and creating these relationships with certifications. Number three learning how to not hurt somebody is primary then optimizing outcomes is going to be next. So going in and learning how to not hurt somebody I think is incredibly valuable. I know that you may work on a regular basis. You don't think that you need to get certified but you got to learn how to not hurt people that's it should be very important that and what are the things that people do when it comes to Sighs and movement and and dysfunction and impairment and then adding resistance on to it. You know, what what are you learning about? When when you don't go through a certification? You're not you're not focusing on what are the potential injuries? You just may be focused that I did this when I was in college and this worked for me. So I'm basically just going to charge people the same thing it you know a price for what I did in college. college and I don't I don't know if you know this but there are multiple college programs out there that have terrible strength and conditioning Concepts that go into training them and I remember one of my friends who played baseball at a high-level division one team was talking about his strength and conditioning program and when he got together with some of the other athletes that were in different sports, They all had the same program. You're telling me that this guy that played baseball had the same program as the female volleyball player who had the same program as the guys are on the football team and there are totally different man demands and all of these Sports and it was baffling and he said that's when I was very confused and realize that a lot of times the colleges aren't out there producing the best content when it comes to exercise. No don't get me wrong. A lot of them are brilliant and they are Cutting Edge and they are out there doing the research. And they've got great stuff, but we do know that we all those people out there doing the research people like nasm are finding that research and we're simulating that and putting it into our content. I'm working right now on doing some rewrites within one of our textbooks and I'm going through and just filing through all of this content and research that's up to date through these universities so we can have peer-reviewed quality content that we are continually updating with then the text. Isn't everything when it comes to not hurting somebody and that being primary litigations On The Rise and I just want you to imagine what it's going to look like if somebody gets hurt while they're training with you and you are not certified as a personal trainer, but you were charging them to teach so that you can teach them how to exercise. I don't think that that's going to look good for you in your day in court so realize that the certification and And insurance and you're going to need insurance and in order to be insured having a certification is a vital importance. So are you and insured and certified personal trainer and a lot of times you go in to get insurance? They'll ask who you're certified through and what is your number? Like? What is your your Certification Number so they can track it and then they will provide you with insurance as a thank you for listening to the nasm CPT podcast. 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I'd are they insured that's important for financial reasons. And then did they follow what the certification said or the basic standards and guidelines in order to exercise this person and was in an anomaly a freak happening or did that person go outside the realm of standards? And that's the reason that person ended up getting injured. As we're going to look at and then we're also going to look at another thing number four, you need to understand programming periodization and queuing those things. I think are vitally important understanding programming periodization and queuing is a big difference between understanding programming and periodization and doing a workout workout and exercise routine. Let's that's the thing that you do that one day. Say when you go to the gym, that's the 60 minutes or so that you are inside of a Fitness Wellness facility or outside and doing exercise. The program is how many of those you put together and are they systematic and Progressive and periodization is looking at finding how you program and then shifting what that program looks like in order to maximize results. It's so that there's minimal plateauing we want to minimize the amount of plateauing by creating periodization. And the last thing I mentioned there was queuing because a lot of people are out there that don't understand the concept of queuing and if you're not educated and practiced in queueing you may not understand how exactly to help people out with doing exercise because you know what it looks like, you know what it's supposed to look like and you know, you can do it. It but if you can't teach it then what does it matter if you can do it and you're a personal trainer you have to be able to teach that information. So do you have the right cues the cues that are going to help to optimize alignment the ones that are going to help to maximize at outcomes, whether that's Force production, you know, how much are you lifting or are you able to stabilize or you able to maintain stability? and structural integrity and to create this neuromuscular efficiency with your body's ability to produce and reduce and dynamically stabilizing multiple planes and various speeds and safe coordinated fashion and can you cue somebody while doing that but also not over cue them so now over queuing can cause paralysis paralysis by you doing an over analysis of what they're doing and we find is an and motor learning is that people who are very new to exercise don't like too many cues while they're exercising, but they want to make sure they want to know that you are there and paying attention to them. So, yes, you should still queue them. It makes them comfortable. You should still pay attention to their form and their technique and let them know that you're doing that and but at the same time be wonderfully supportive, even if it's not perfect and it's not going to Perfect. I don't sit around with my children have three kids and as they were growing up. I was never like Hey, listen, I know you're trying to learn how to walk. But when you put one foot in front of the other and your big head Teeters forward a little bit and I do need to pull in your belly button and squeeze your glutes and try to create a short foot to raise the arch in your foot and then see if maybe then your next step would be able to stabilize that have fallen down a bit. Great. All right, go for it. This is how we do it. I think we we don't teach our children that way I don't want to over teach any of our clients that way either the one over teach it but what they need as a young client new to training is more support. So like I do with my kids they took their first few steps they fall down you go. Yeah. Hey, yay, let's try it again. Right, and then maybe maybe you get closer to them right and make it easier for them to get to you maybe get farther away when they start to progress and then we try different things and we want to queue people. We want people to be in good form, but we need to be really supportive. Now. We know with Advanced athletes and people who are really looking to learn once they've progressed. They don't want the yay all the time. They want to look just tell me what I need to do to get better. What do I need to do to optimize my movement to be You're faster stronger. Give me the nuts and bolts. Yes. I do want a high five from time to time to time. I want to feel good about it. But in order for me to be an elite level person. Give me what I need to do to get better. I already know I'm good. What do I need to do to get better? And so we know that about motor learning and we can take that with are queuing and understand. It's not just about did somebody draw in and did they brace and did they keep their chin tucked and did they stabilize their spine and keep an arch in there? Foot and it's not just about that but it's about the support that's provided with that as well. And then finally, the last thing I want to talk about is why it's important to have a nationally accredited certification is because a nationally accredited certification is the bare minimum. It is the entry level. It is the least possible amount of knowledge that you should have in your dome. In order to train is the least amount that you should have. So I'm curious that when When you're looking at whether or not you're going to be certified, do you and you open up the text book? You know, ye o man, that's a lot of information that seems really difficult which is what I thought when I opened up the textbook and then somebody like me Taps you on the shoulder and there's microphone right here and you and it says this is the bare minimum you need to know in order to become a personal trainer let you know that the folks out there that are training went through some rigor in order to be able to do the job that they're doing and I think that we need to understand the value of that. Is all of that stuff. I don't expect you to remember that two years later, but that's okay because you're going to go through continuing education courses in order to maintain your certification. So now what I want to make sure you do is it you may not have the most experience as a trainer, but I'm going to provide you with a lot of content that when the moment arises you don't have to memorize it but when the moment arises and you realize that oh, I studied that what you're talking about. That doesn't feel right or how you're moving. That doesn't seem right. I studied this when I was getting certified. I bet this applies to this situation. It's not about memorizing things. It's about being familiar with things most textbooks. By the way. They're not designed to be memorized. They're designed to be a reference for you to look up content and be able to use it. But there there's a minimum expectation of the content within that stick. But you should be able to know and that's where the questions come from. And those are kind of the highlights of the content within every textbook when you take an examination. So taking that examination and and accomplishing the bare minimum requirements to be a certified personal trainer the least amount possible that entry-level you've proven that you're capable of starting a path where you put others Fitness and Illness outcomes in your hands you proven that you can do that now now you can be a personal trainer. And let me let me just add one thing to it new trainers you're going to make mistakes and Veteran trainers make mistakes, but new trainers you are going to make mistakes and I get a lot of people that that are paralyzing themselves saying I don't feel like I know enough yet that I'm certified but I don't want to charge people any money. I don't want to ask them for money. I don't feel confident. In my abilities yet. I'm going to say it. I understand that maybe start with your friends and your family and train people that are close to you and will be forgiving of the mistakes that you make but also if you're going to make mistakes make mistakes within the guidelines of being certified. Within the guidelines of being certified you can make those mistakes and learn from those mistakes and I'm hoping that if you're certified and you are going to go through and and hit some bumps in the road that those bumps in the road are going to be less significant because you've gone through not just read through a text and studied some study material but challenged yourself through an examination process provided by a third body. Ting certification company that says you've reached the bare minimum and then after that the developmental process begins where you start at a fitness facility and you develop with other professionals around you and then you continue to develop continue your own education and your lifelong learning so you now take that education and you start applying it and find out what is the niche that you want to be a part of more. Is it corrective exercise? Is it performance enhancement? Is it new? Channel counseling Wellness coaching. What is it that you want to do and really focus on and then you now you have your certified personal trainer, but you've got a line of specialization that you can then start focusing on. I hope this oh, this was helpful. For those of you who are considering becoming a certified personal trainer those new to your path and even those who are working as personal trainers and and trying to identify whether or not should I maintain my certification should I not hold onto it? Continue to challenge yourself do your continuing education and help support other people out there that are in need and do that with the understanding that you are certified. You've gone through the rigor to challenge yourself to be able to call yourself a certified personal trainer and then be supportive of the others out there that may need your help. All right. This is the nasm CPT podcast with Rick Richie. I hope this helps if you guys want to reach out to me on Instagrams probably where I'm a bit most active dear. Da trick or I seek a rich ER IC H ey and dma. Let me know if you want to hear about something go. So shoot me an e-mail it rick dot Richie at nasm.

As an independent gym owner, I get monthly inquiries from uncertified personal trainers that have been training for many … many… years that have decided not to renew their certification. Yet they still wish to train out of my facility. Below is a small list of responses I have gotten throughout the years when I ask why they are not certified: “I could teach these courses.” “I know more than most trainers anyway because I’ve been doing this for a long time.” “It’s all a racket” … (to make you smarter… oh no!) I, being relatively educated in the space of exercise and health science, still maintain multiple certifications. I actually want to increase my education as opposed to only continuing education because a CEU requirement. So, when those that are uncertified want to explain why they should train out of my facilities in NYC, I do not balk. It is unprofessional and there is a HUGE liability issue at stake as well. If you want to become a personal trainer – you MUST get certified. Preferably NASM…;-) This episode of the NASM CPT Podcast will discuss, from my perspective, why trainers need to be certified. Tune in and provide your feedback and ideas for future topics to me on IG: @dr.rickrichey or email rick.richey@nasm.org Get 20% off your order now by calling 800-460-6276 or visiting NASM.org, and using the code Podcast 20.

Hello cheap homegrown ation. This is Shea McConnell from the cheap homegirl podcast. And on today's show. I have Peter from PL grow systems. Peter comes on the show today to talk about PL grow systems and why he feels is important for home Growers to keep track of their data when growing their own. I know this is a slight change from my typical how to so cannabis podcast, but I figured you would enjoy it before the podcast begins. You can find me on Instagram Twitter Facebook and YouTube all at cheap home grow and also growing with my fellow Growers on Instagram this new Instagram account highlights, my new show called growing with my fellow Growers, which airs every Sunday evening 7:00 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. This podcast is information packed. So please rate review subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I have UK entrepreneur Peter from PL grow systems. And today Peter is going to be coming on the show and he and he is going to be talking about his software that can help cannabis Growers grow more efficiently. At home, but before he talks about his software Peter. If you could could you please tell me and my audience a little bit about yourself? Hi-yah, thank you. Thank you name's Peter and my background is actually Financial Market data and Technology oddly enough not necessarily from a Horticultural background at all. Originally. I used to be from South Africa lived in Durban. So it's quite a popular name strain from that location. I must say misspent youth. Yes, enjoyed it quite a lot. All right. Oh, yeah, I don't think there's many people in Durban. We didn't hmm I've and there but but it sounds like fun Durbin and yeah, it's a great place to visit. No, very laid-back is very chilled out Place. Yeah, but then move to the UK 20 20 plus years ago and started along with my business partner Lee. We started piano grow systems. Something we've been kicking about for about on has quite a few years and then formally created as a company January last year. So we've been in business for just over a year. Once we started getting a lot of people wanting the product and we realize what we'd actually put together was turning into a viable business. Why did you guys take so long to formulate a company 20 years is a really long time. Yeah. Well for the previous 20 or 19 years or so, I was working in technology and Financial. Good data, okay working on Big Data Systems and financial Market data contracts and negotiations around that dealing with the whole world of data and all the challenges that that brings with it and really where I mean that was just the background as a hobbyist growing chilies and Cetera in the greenhouse. One of the things that you start to realize is you can take a holiday. I mean you can go away but you come back to the greenhouse full of day. The chilies and so both my business partner and I back then what we just had a hobby of used to make chili sauce and sell it around the office and the investment banker was working in which was great Traders love buying really hot. Chili sauce has fantastic market and so I have to come up, you know, we thought well, let's try and figure out a solution to the problem. We went out to look and what was available the market and it was really expensive. And so just as a hobby we started playing around and making Things just for our own youth that was never an idea three years ago four years ago. Wasn't it for it to become a business necessarily. These are just things we were playing with and we started posting pictures of it online what we were doing and gradually more and more people started asking where could they get one? Could they buy one from us? And it kind of snowballed from there and it's been taking all of the experience and lessons learned from dealing with lots of data in the market data World Etc and then seeing the advantage of that and figure out how can you bring this to? The growing industry the growing Market. Mmm. And that's been the aim of the business was to focus on what is the primary team of the primary Basics that people just need to get right and then Supply a lot of insight information around that. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, I guess my next question is I mean, how are you actually bringing your idea to reality? I mean, you know, I mean really what what is it? How does it work in? Really? My main question behind this is this how can a home Grove because you know my my audience as you know, it's it's 99.9% people that grow cannabis at home. How can they use this software to benefit their own? Little home grow and also to coin the you know, the name of the podcast cheap outgrow podcast one of the things so when it comes to to Growing, it doesn't really matter what it is that you're growing two of the most important variables are temperature and humidity. That's probably the two most important ones to get dialed in correctly too hot too cold too dry to wet sand it creates a host of problems. So having your environment dialed in on just those two basic Ders solves 99% of the problems out there gets bit of a generalization but it's you know, if you get that correct, then you you've got pretty much everything going and you can use your worry about the lights and the nutrients excetra after that. But the real problem of course is that it's yeah, we found it was all really expensive. So what we brought to Market is a product called the minor. This is the first one to Market which is a Internet of Things device. So always requires an internet connection to work. And it records temperature and humidity data and it has two sensor probes that come with it. One of them that records ambient temperature and humidity and the second one which is waterproof that you can use for measuring root Zone temperature or putting to your nutrient tank or reservoir. For instance to make sure that that's have the right temperature on some of the more recent podcasts that came out by mean context of when this one comes out. They may no longer be recent but discussing IDW see See it really important that that temperature of your dwc staves, correct? You don't want to getting it too long and you don't want to get into cold. And most people just have min max temperature thermometers at best. It doesn't really tell you much so these record data every 30 seconds and which gives you a really granular view on what's going on in your environment and you can see changes that are very very finite level. You can tell if somebody opens a door into a grow space because you'll see a dip in the charts and it being the kind of information that everybody needs to know. I know what happens when the lights go off when you're not there when every time you go into a grow room, you'll grow green house or whatever and you look at the temperature and humidity monitor on the wall. You're probably going and at the same time every day you look at it, and it's the same temperature and humidity everyday great 20 minutes after you walk out. It's be completely different. And so not only do we record the data and give you a user interface to view it but we also allow customers to set alert level so you can tell the system to let you know if temperature goes above a certain level or below a certain level or your humidity is gone above a certain level of below a certain level and it automatically start to notify you so you can take care of an issue as soon as it happens. You're not discovering it six hours later when you go back. Room or when you're out of the cinema, you actually get to get away from being chained to the greenhouse or The Growers room Peter. I'm curious those this software working all growing mediums. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, this is just want to touring the environment so we have as if there's a ambient temperature and humidity sensor which monitors the are ambient air temperature and humidity and we also calculate Eight VPD vapor pressure deficit be using that sensor. Oh, and by the way, these units retail for 99 pounds 95, which is about a hundred and twenty hundred thirty dollars u.s. So they're not expensive and with that you get the last four weeks of data always you always have access to the last four weeks of age if you get this this rolling history, And that's it. That's the only one time painting. You don't have to pay anything else. It's a subscription after that. There are if you want longer periods of data. Yes, there's a subscription for that but for the four weeks and the charts and the alerts that we give you that's all included in the 99 pounds 95 and as it's just monitoring, you know, it's just really doing temperature and humidity. You can use it for monitoring. Any growth setup doesn't matter what what it is where it is. It wouldn't really work open outdoor environment. It's not really designed for that. But you know, I adore greenhouses the outdoor green at greenhouses, but big green houses going like acreage size greenhouses. Yes, it works in those as well. Okay, the idea is to have a lot. I mean when it comes to monitoring and environment each They're the reality is each sensors only measuring the environment immediately around that sensor. It cannot tell you what's going on three feet away. The only way you know, that is by putting another sensor three feet away throw it away. Yes, right. So this becomes the general problem for people is hmm. You know, when you look at the the problem that growers face is they would love to put in lots of sensors big problem is they cannot afford. Ford to put in lots of Senses not when they're a thousand dollars a pop kind of thing Suddenly It's like no I can't put in 50 senses. That's 50 Grand. All right, but at $100 apart. Yeah, I can put 250 senses. Right and the idea really is to have For I suppose a more commercial guys, but at the same applies to know the smaller home grow, the more senses you have hanging in the place the quicker you're going to identify where the problem started right? Okay, when everything is going Farm doesn't you know, you may say oh it's overkill on the senses. But as soon as there's a problem the sensors help you identify where their problem started when we point out that corner over there where it got too cold. Too wet and that's the the bloodrock started right Peter. I have a question for you. Let's say I have a 5x5 grow space. How many sensors can I possibly fit in there? I mean that's not a very big space you could get away with just putting one in. Okay hang it in the middle and it'll give you You know Aradia roughly a pretty good idea. I mean five by five. Yeah, it's a little small to go and put two and I mean well you do get is you get each sensor comes on Two and a Half meter, which is about three feet six feet six foot plus lead almost closer to 9 feet actually lead so you can position the senses. So in the space that was 5x5. I mean, you don't have to use the waterproof one for measuring the root Zone temperature or something like that. You can just use it for measuring the air temperature so you could just hang them in diagonally opposite. You know hang them in slightly different locations and get a temperature gradient between them. Ideally, you know, it's one every five feet and hence why I 5 by 5 is kind of just on the edge of a chaotic. It's when every 10 feet as I said The more you put in the tighter that resolution on the environment gets so you can spot. You taking a grid and making it smaller and smaller and smaller right by putting more and more units and what we also have is a journal so that people can actually log what they're doing along with the environmental data that goes with it. So when they are You can Define on the platform. You can define a space I could grow room or a greenhouse. You can say how big it is. How many lights are in it? What power each one of those lights is so you can have a total wattage for that space. You can then add containers into the space and each container has a property as in like what type of container is it? Is it a plastic part of fabric part. An auto part nft tray dwc all sorts of different types of containers you can have and inside that container and has a growing medium. So you can Define what that is and then you can Define what plant is in that container. And now you have a grow diary where you can track the environmental data the actual activity that you did on the plant and exactly when you did it all on this timeline. And at the very end, you can record your output so you when you're a new grow you can have a look and see well. What did I do and see what the outcome was and then the next time you do a grow you can make a little change and then see what the outcome is. And again that also applies to the bigger Growers when the bigger grows may have the ability to put in, you know, 50 different types of containers and at the end of a grow they can now go well. Which container grow medium combination gave me the best outcome. So, you know, we love the platform is designed for your home enthusiastic. You have very light level of knowledge on the subject and can gain a lot of benefit from the platform just at the very surface layer where we got nice big Easy-to-Read die. I'll stay tell you when you're out of range and range Etc Easy-to-Read basic charts and then it steps up from that. There are you know, there's levels to it where more advanced hmm Growers are looking for those extra bits. It takes the spring Auto flour challenge, right? Yeah from which every time yeah, which was trying to get hooked up with. Dr. Coco. I mean, yeah, you've got everybody growing the same sort of thing. What would be really cool is everybody was recording it in the journal at the same time and then people at the end when you're comparing your outputs, you can also well, let's see, what did you do to get that? Hmm, and if we're all growing the same The only difference is the technique that we were growing in or the environment. We grew it into there for everything. We see is just phenotypic expression of the environment. We were growing it and therefore allow I mean I would have thought from and you know that little competition or it's a competition that little project it would work really nicely because you'd have standard report at the end with everybody's grow all the academic activity down to my Coding what you how much you proved office and various stages, you know, you can weigh that out to you can see waste final output ratios and things like that Peter the software sounds really cool and all but I'm curious how does this software actually worked? So what you do is you connect the device to your Wi-Fi network. Okay, and that's all you need to do with the as far as the device is concerned. You put it in the location where you need to be. Entering the environment. It takes a 5 volt micro USB power supply source to connect to any old any older. I mean a Samsung phone chargers princes ideal for it and connected to the Wi-Fi on our website. You create an account with each device. It comes with a unique identifier you add that identifier to your account and you tell it what time zone you're in you give the device a name so you know what? You've got more than one mind a unit. I mean you can have a theoretically an unlimited number of associated with your account. But you know, we've got some customers but you've got multiples installed in one space and they've made them like back left front, right? So they know when they're looking at the dashboard they know where the devices are either in the space or in which environment they're sitting in and then you can name each sensor as well. So, you know where it is or for instance. Maybe you've called the waterproof one root Zone. Own and the other one you've called canopy because you've got to hanging in the canopy and the other one you've got in the root. So it makes sense, you know, give these things name so that when you're looking at it, you know what you're seeing just makes it easier to read so my advice to people is to name things as to where it is and what at the monitoring that way when you look at it. It's quick and easy to read and once you've done that about it, then it starts recording data every Every 30 seconds. Hmm. And yeah, okay part of that setup process is you tell it what is the minimum temperature and maximum temperature and minimum humidity and maximum humidity thresholds. So if it breaches any of those and you can change them at any time, you can go in and change them to you might say. Oh, I know it's going to be really warm and I can't actually do anything about it. So I'm just going to up their warning threshold to if it gets above this and I know it's really bad. So you might just need to bump a temporary. Then you can bring it back down again. So for the beginner grower what it really helps you and for any grow it's that What's going on when you're not there and what we've had quite a few customers pick up on is when equipment isn't working as well as they thought it was alright, so, you know, they look at the charts and they see hang on my extraction isn't bringing the temperature down as much as it should be they can see when it kicks in but it's not bringing the temperature down quite as fast as it needs to so there now. I know then you go. It in a bigger extraction then we had one customer notice that the temperature just kept going up and what had happened is actually a piece of cloth had been sucked into the ducting and it got stuck in the fan. Oh boy. You said you would not have noticed that because you know in a minute Max you just see a repeat but you don't know how long it was there for and that's the scary thing and the same goes for you know, when the lights go off. You do not want massive swings and you'll be surprised how fast that swing is when the lights go off temperatures plummet humidity spikes the consequences you go through the dew point temperature at condensation forms ever. So briefly while the environment tries to catch up with the sudden change in temperature. And you just inviting problems then Mmm Yeah Yeah Peter. I'm in the same. In boat myself sometimes after I would turn off my lights my temperature and humidity would go down. I mean personally, I don't think it was that big of a deal but you know, I'm just throwing it out there, you know. Usually this is the thing is that we have to have to tell this to like I us customers are using it it certainly go we stop panicking because they see all these massive temperature and humidity swings which they just never seen before. And you know it all you have to say like look you've been growing quite fine up until you're still growing fine. It's just you seeing it on a more granular level room. So don't go and study try and change everything to make this a dead straight smooth line because it's not necessarily ever going to happen. But what it does allow you to start taking a look at is what could I check if I was going to change one thing here? What would I change? So like, you know when? Lights go off temperature crashes. All right, so maybe I'll turn my extraction fans or two minutes before the lights go off and only turn them back on again 30 minutes after the lights have gone off. So just gives that the space-time to naturally cool ever so slightly and therefore the humidity comes down, but more gradually with really you want to be going from daytime to nighttime temperature. You want to be doing that and about About 30 to 45 minutes. You don't want to do it in the 10-minute swing or even less in some cases and then you have the same on the other side and then you go from You know when the lights came on suddenly you have this massive jump. No way. Does that actually happen? Hmm, you do kind of want to have their temperature going to ramp up. You don't want it going from nothing to really high relatively. So basically when the temperature changes you want your environment to change slowly rather than quickly. Yeah, you don't want any I mean, it's the same with humidity. You don't really want rapid rapid wings and it's just at the end of the day when you're using artificial lighting U-turn and at the start of the day when you're using artificial lighting, I mean, that's who you have the sudden drop and increase in temperature and humidity. And it's usually when the lights go off as a death the problem in the plants have been heavily transpiring throughout the day then the lights go off which straightaway brings the temperature down those plants are still heavily transpiring for the next however, long while stomata closed down and so they just pump a lot of extra humidity into the environment and the problem you now have is because as your temperature comes down relative humidity will climb even quicker. Because cooler air holds less water. So 75% humidity at 27 degrees is a hundred percent humidity at take 22 degrees. And at that point if you go any lower or at 22 degrees in this example your it just turns to condensation moisture can't go anywhere else. So that's the real catch that you have. Is this sudden drop in temperature? Doesn't give the room time to sort of come down naturally and that's where the problem is coming. And if you're doing a lot if you're venting is external you don't tend to suffer from it. So badly because you're sucking all of that are out but in sealed environment, it's particularly noticeable because they're not actually replenishing the are in the environment so to speak. Okay, and if you look at you what I've seen happening grabbing talking about this difference in the temperatures when you and in monitoring the environment, maybe your listeners who live in colder environments, especially in the winter in the grow room. Around the bottom of the the bottom foot if they're bringing cold air from inside from outside into the environment now probably notice that they get condensation on the bottom foot and above that but it's fine and that's just because that cool air coming in. It's so low down the humidity. It just can't hold that moisture in the air and so it's all coming out nice and convincing as you As the as the warm air in the room gets cooled at that lower level from the cold air coming in it all comes out over and that's something apart that people often don't even look at it. Which is Yeah, the more we play around at the platform ourselves and more you start to realize hang up his all these other little bits and that's where the mold comes in, you know, because nobody's looking there nobody's thinking about the the corner and the grow room that's in the optimum mold generating, you know environment. They're all looking at the canopy. Yeah. It's all about tracking your information and making life a whole lot simpler. And if you're trying to explain like, you know your And your problem in the with your grow and you need to explain it to somebody usually the first thing they'll ask you as well. What's the temperature and humidity be made of the last two weeks all week? Because that's really the last two weeks of what's been going on is What's led up to now and see that you know what you got to be looking back at and now what you can do you can take out your phone or pull up on a web page or your tablet PC and show the person table. This is What's been going on see if when you go into your hydro shop and you need to get some advice, you know, you can actually show them what's been going on in the environment and they can look at it and say well, okay, the your temperatures are too high or too low or it's too humid. It's too dry. And if it's not the case, they can say well then let's look into you know, what lights using what nutrients are using. But before you look at your lights and your nutrients Etc make sure that the environment is dialed in because the best lights the best nutrients in the world and their shit. Then you're not getting anything out at the end Peter as you know, my podcast is called cheap homegrown. So if you could could you please talk a little bit about the cost of this software? Yeah. Well, we do the unit's moment with the UK retail prices 1995. The US retail price is trying to do the conversions about a hundred and thirty dollars give or take depending on what the exchange rates doing at the time, but it's around $130. And they are available. We do actually have a shop in the u.s. An online shop in the u.s. That stalks them. So for customers in the US, it's quicker and easier for them to order it from from web Hydro.com. There we go plug for them. Decision shipping and time it's local and that's it. That's all you need to pay. There's no additional subscription over there the journal the four weeks of data the alerts that's all included. So you can always look at the last four weeks. You can download the graph so that you can keep copies of them if you want to print them up. And the really nice thing is it's available from any internet-connected device any mobile or smart mobile phone tablet PC doesn't matter where you are. If you've got access to the internet, you can keep an eye on what's going on in your grow and learn it. Okay, and that's really one of the things a lot of people like it's that I mean, especially in the US as somebody pointed out when soon as you start growing you suddenly realize chit. I can't go away for the weekend to can't go on holiday because you kind of Through that grow all of a sudden this gives you that freedom back take a break go to the cinema away for the weekend either customers you go away for two weeks all of a sudden because they can keep an eye on what's going on or what and when they've got somebody going in and looking after it for them. They can make sure that it's all still being done properly. All right. Well, I mean Peter I mean this is a question that I like to ask everybody that comes on the show. So I'm going to ask you man. And that question is are there any questions? Questions that I should be asking in are there any final statements that you would like to make? I know I kind of put you on the spot there man. But yeah, I mean it just sort of the context of what we do. Are there questions to ask personally. I think we covered quite a bit. But if I'm missing anything, please feel free to say so right now, I guess one of the things is you know, do we go into more detail? Perhaps everything we go into more detail. We were at data company. Yes, we do. bets I can't think of anything to talk my head. No problem. Oh, no worries. As far as final statement goes, you know, our goal is to bring you know, these kind of Data Insights and analytics are being The Preserve of the big. Boys and the big players it's been out of the price range of the average grow. And the reason why the big boys and that all have all the big players all have a Competitive Edge is because they all have the data they know what to do to get the result they're after and they they've spent a lot of time Gathering and collecting it and understanding it and our aim is to democratize access to that so that we've priced it, you know. Have the minded unit at the moment, but we're bringing out a CO2 monitor. We're going to be doing a moisture monitor as well and the various others, but they're all modular and they're all going to Identity priced in that. I kinda wouldn't 1350 US dollar Mark hundred 250 pound Mark and we do have a controller coming out as well. We're all of these bits and pieces link into each other and can be dynamically. Regulating your environment, but all done cost-effectively are there's no need for this technology to cost an arm and a leg. It really isn't and I want the guy at home to be able to say yes. I want to be able to dive in and see something analytics. I really want to get an understanding of what's going on. I mean, I want people to be able to visualize their grow room through data visualization and the chance that we're bringing out what Can really understand what's going on, but do it in there. A way that's easy to digest so basically present the data in a easy readable way where a unsophisticated grower can read it and understand where they may or may not be going wrong. Yeah or doing it right and then do again fold the person there wants to drill a bit deeper. I mean, they can click through it and go from a high level summary down into the more nitty-gritty stuff where it's too Hi make ducting high-end, but it's just too detailed for the beginner, but they'll get there eventually because through Natural Curiosity of investigating drilling into the platform. You started just naturally see the correlation and the effect of oh, I did that there that shows up here in the data or what does that mean and you know you Natural Curiosity will hopefully drive a lot of people to become. Better Growers because they can understand what they're doing. They can see if you know that it's easier to trace it back workout what you did to get the result that you ended up with. It's not just blind stabbing around, you know something we're playing around with is being able to Overlay your data with the group's data. So if you're looking at your plants and your going everybody else is saying they should look you know, like exit the stage and they're currently looking like why you're not quite sure what's going on. You may say well, let me just compare me to everybody else and show my environmental data here and let me see how eyeli compared to them and maybe you've pick up straight away that your humidity is way higher than everybody else's you go. Well, I be straight away then you bring that down. Again, it's just a way of being able to troubleshoot quicker. Right and for commercial guys that's important. Isn't that growing medium based never temperature the temperature and humidity that you grow them at is not going to be drastically different just because of the growing in use. All right, you know depending on what it is that you're growing if you were to take you know, like for North America, that's a you take cannabis as an example. It has an Optimum. Temperature and as an optimal humidity and it you know, there's its Bounty down and it's kind of between 22 to 27 degrees centigrade and the humidity range to me quite varied as well 52. I mean take Durbin as an example the minimum humidity at the minimum average humidity and durban's about 70% So, you know, it is used that that's an example the part that used to grow in a very high humidity. environment so Yeah, it doesn't matter what the grow medium per se is that's how fast how vigorous how you know, depending on your moral View and growing organically or non organically cetera. Those are those decisions but they'd all be running in a very similar environment it cultivar specific. So you may say something that naturally comes from high up in the mountains is used to Lower humidity and slightly cooler temperatures but more UV because of the height and altitude a tropical plant is on the coast is used to hire humidities higher temperatures may be a little less a little less UV. So what you really wanted to actually say show me an environment of somebody growing something similar to me doesn't have to be in the same medium, but let's say the same genus of plants. And to me so I can make sure that my environment in line with that. Don't show me somebody grown carrots if I'm growing apples another one. And again, that's the purpose of the journal is it allows us to be able to help people on that Frank being a little earlier very high level. What would you can drill down and say okay. I want to know how I'm comparing to others doing the similar thing Peter. Thank you for being on the show and I will sir. We talk to you soon. But if you could could you please plug your Instagram an absolute pleasure, and we can be found at PL grow systems or at PL growth systems on Instagram and thank you once again to chain. Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is Shea McConnell from the cheap homegirl podcast and thank you for listening to my podcast with Peter. Peter can be found on Instagram @ PL. Grow systems that's plg rrow sys tem SPL grow systems on Instagram. 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I had a fun and interesting conversation with Peter from PL Grow Systems. Peter is from the UK and being an entrepreneur that's involved with cannabis in the UK has its own set of challenges but Peter and his partner formed a company called PL Grow Systems. Peter comes on the show to talk about the importance of tracking your data when growing at home. He walks us through the steps as to how his software works and makes a good point about how the cost of this technology isn't nearly as expensive as it was in the past and fortunately, the price is going to go down in the future while the quality goes higher. I know this is a slight change from my typical "how to grow" podcast but I figured you would enjoy it. Please let me know what you think of the podcast in the comments section below.

Hello everybody and welcome to books on bound the podcast or we unbind books to get to their heart with your host me, it's Ariel. We also have me Raylene. And today we have a special guest. It's Jesse from Jesse the reader Jesse say hi. Hello. I'm the person that you used to be friends with yeah to be friends with just a George accidentally introduced him like that a couple minutes ago and was like, well, we're not friends anymore. Yeah, you're just somebody that we use.We're so excited to have you Jesse you are our first official guests. I am so honored to be the first official guests. I'm also incredibly nervous because this podcast is amazing. I'm obsessed with it and I don't want to ruin it. So we were like we have to have a guest who's it gonna be and we were both just like it's got to be Jesse. It's like my heart like the thing we're trying to do with this podcast in a sense is Bring Back That Old booktube joy and We were like we were the OG. Yeah, um discovered each other's channels when we had like less than a thousand subscribers. Yeah, like we've been in it for the long haul. Yeah. I was thinking about that today. I was like, I'm really proud of us and like where we've come with like all our bookish content on the Internet. It's true. We've all come a long way. Yes for sure. Where will we go next to this forecast we jump in You the podcast were really excited to chat about books off my God. I can't wait to hear like Jesse's recommendation. We have a few little notes. First of all, we are doing our first official buddy read you all voted. And we you have all chosen on Earth were briefly gorgeous by ocean vuong. So we're going to be reading that throughout the next month if you want the details go to our Instagram because we haven't I earned it all out yet. But we will by the time the podcast episode comes out. Out so go to our Instagram and you can join our buddy read. We also have our Facebook group up which is going to function as a place where we can all hang out talk about books and also it'll be really good for the Buddy read. So again, go to the Instagram the details are there absolutely one final thing next week. We're going to try doing a debate and Raylene and I have decided to debate deckled edges versus normal pages. Big controversy. I was like we were thinking we were brainstorming about different debates we could do and I was like, well, we could do deckled edges or normal pages, but who in their right mind would go for deckled edges and really it was like me. Oh my God, that's so hard to believe right? It's hard to so, um everyone we'd love your vote on this go to our patreon. Everyone can vote regardless of if you're supporting us on patreon or not. It just kind of works as a really good. Blog post like blog feed for you guys. So go and vote. We need your opinions Jesse. We are not going to get into it. But which one are you on deckled edges all the way baby. It is now time to get to know our guests Jesse the reader we have for questions for you today Raylene started off. Let's bring it on. So first question it on what kind of questions are these? Bring It On Jesse be ready for this. It's gonna be a really tough question. Oh boy first question. Mmm, who is your favorite author? You guys want to answer for me? No, no. No the people might not know. Okay. Well, if you don't know I have this little obsession with this book called Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children and Ransom Riggs as the author so he is my favorite author. Well, you won't you want to question number two coming here. What's your favorite book? Well kind of spoiled that one Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children by Ransom Riggs true. It's kind of become a meme. Yeah just a little bit. It's true. That's it's who you are but you know what it would be fake. If it wasn't for how many times you've read that book Jesse how many times have you read that book? I've lost count at this point, but I think around like 33 maybe thirty three times. That's a lot. That's a lot of amazing to me. Yeah. Can you read it really quickly. Now the thing is like I just sometimes I'll just put the audio book on and I'll just like listen to it. So I see that makes so much sense. It's like the movie I've seen the most is Pride and Prejudice Keira Knightley version, but it's because of that same reason I just put it on in the background. It's like very comforting. I'm like, I know this it's like an old blanket It Feels Like Home, you know. Yeah. It's an audio blanket. Yes, very nice. I like that's our answer next question. Really? Okay this also kind of ties altogether, but maybe your answer will be different. What is your favorite genre to read? Reed who that's actually a hard question, you know what? No, it's not now therefore assess. I love the magical realism, I guess like the real story with a hint of magic just a layer of magic. It's my eyes my favorite. Yeah. All right our final question for our get to know the guest segment is what is your latest mashed potato book now, you may be wondering Wondering what the hell is a mashed potato? Oh, I've been listening to the podcast. I know I'm so glad that you said that but for anyone who has just joined us here or missed the episode where we talked about this. I'm trying to make it a thing. So bear with me a mashed potato book. Okay, if you're having a meal you usually tend to save your favorite part for the end and Raylene said that yes, she saves mashed potatoes for the end of the the eating experience do and we talked about how How we have a lot of books that are like that. It's like a book that you are so excited to read because it's like you think it could be a favorite you think it'll be really good. But for some reason you put it off and off and off and by the time you get to it those mashed potatoes are cold. Well, you're taking this like Beyond where it was perfect, I think about it at night. Um, so we want to know Jesse. What was the last book that you read? That was like that mashed potato book like you'd been meaning to read it forever or you Answer it by being like what is a book you're currently avoiding? Because you think it's going to be really good and like you should honestly just read it already. Well the book that I finished today was my mashed potato book. So that's isn't that leading us into like wish Eichmann of like our current reads and still right? Let's just jump in Shipley's. Well just jump right in you finished. All right, the last book that I finished was the near which by Victoria Schwab it's her debut book. I've been putting it off for years. I had this thing where I'm like, I just have to read this book during October. Or I'm sure you guys had like a few books where you're like, I have to read this during this month. Like it feels like Christmas Eeyore this feels like you know Halloweeny and that was one of those books that I've just been putting off and like I felt like I had to read it in like the Halloween time, even though I didn't get it. That's nice. I mean I kind of did it I was a few days late, it's November now. So yeah, I was uh, I was glad to finally eat those mashed potatoes. They were very cold there. It was worth the wait, you know, it was great that they were cold. They were cold, but it's not tasty because they're mashed potato. Yeah tasty because it's Victoria Schwab's writing and I also did you love it? Like did you end up liking it? I liked it a lot. It's definitely a lot different than her other books. It is her debut book. It gets her first book. It's the story of this like village where all these kids start disappearing after this. Is this like Strangers in the Night appears and Like it's about this girl named Lexi who's trying to like get to the bottom of it basically, but I liked it in the fact that it's nice to like go back and see how far back Toria Schwab has come since her first book. Like she's just drastically changed and it's so cool to like see that in her writing. I have that with them. Yes King who is like an author? I have loved for 17 million years and her first book is called the death of a hundred dog. It's like completely different than her. Books, yes, like in the last what decade she's really written books that are you know contemporary but with a bit of magical realism, whereas this book is about a pirate girl who becomes a dog one day and she keeps dying and becoming a dog or something and I'm like tryst why it's we haven't I haven't picked it up, but I have no idea but it's a similar thing where I'm like excited to one day read that and like go back to the roots. It really is interesting. How like an author's Debut book can actually be really different than like what they're known for like the rest of their writing style. Yeah, definitely. Well Raylene what the hell was the last book you finished? Well, I have the same problem that you had last week area where I haven't finished the last book I was reading last week. So I'm just still reading The Outsider by Stephen King. Okay, so I haven't finished a book and that's what I'm currently reading. So I don't really have much to add to the conversation. Although I can say I am really really enjoying it. I just haven't had time to finish it because nanowrimo. Yes, he's gotten in the way. I think without your hand. If you are currently doing nanowrimo, we all put hers in my hand. We're all doing it. But yeah, so the outsider is really good. It's like Twisted but not too twisted and it's just like mysterious and with just a dash of Supernatural, but you don't know what's going on. And I love that. How long is The Outsider out of curiosity? It's five hundred and sixty Pages. I'm just curious because I know that he's known for his long books. So yeah. Yes. This one is a solid solid five something. Hmm. That's the breaks a good King Legos too long. I wouldn't pick it up today actually a lady at work asked me what I was reading and I told her I was reading Stephen King and she just looked at me and said are you okay? Oh, he's ranged in the head. I feel like you must have so many weird customer. Can't imagine definitely I used to write them down in a note on my phone like anytime. I would have a weird interaction outside. I have to remember this later because there's a lot of weird stuff in book stores are a lot weirder than you'd think. Um, well the last book that I finished was the book I talked about last week ago. So really it's been nanowrimo. I have not been reading. Let me tell you and everything up but I'm gonna do what you did and I'm going to jump into the book. I'm currently reading and it was actually inspired by nanowrimo. So I decided to try and read books that kind of inspire me and like I think might be like my novel which is really hard to do because you don't know what a book is gonna be. Like totally you're like, I think this is like the novel I want to write but maybe it isn't but I took a chance and I have started reading my year of rest and relaxation. Oh gosh. I don't know I should have looked up how to pronounce his last name. It's by does anyone know it's a testament mosh Fair. Hmm. Can't help you my dad on that one. I will look I will Google that later. But yeah, it's basically about this girl who decides to hibernate for a year. She tries to sleep as much as she possibly can. I mean she's kind of like trained herself to be able to sleep for like, I don't know for like 12 hours at a time. But for the rest of the time she's gotten her therapist to prescribe her like all of these drugs. So she's taking like all of these drugs try and hide Me and she kind of like she doesn't fully sleep the whole time. She just watches a lot of movies and kind of thinks about life and it's not like what my novel that I'm writing is in like any terms of the plot, but it's sort of these in how weird the writing is like it's super twisted and bizarre in a little spooky even though nothing spooky is going on and the main character is kind of like having these really interesting deep thoughts and it's really pushed the way that I want to write my novel. So I'm Enough like oh, yeah. I think if I were to write it a bit more like that, that could be really cool. That could work. I have this one sentence in my novel. Like I don't know how many words you guys have written so far. I've only written four thousand but all those four thousand words, there's one sentence and it is literally like a five-word sentence. It's the best thing I've ever written and it's Lebanese. I'm like, how do I do more of that? And oh Tessa is totally doing that. So so yeah, I mean I'm enjoying it, but I'm only 27 pages in so God only knows if I will end up loving it. Okay, and how is Practical Magic going I gave up. Okay, because it's not Halloween anymore. And I literally guys every day. I'm listening to piano Christmas music on Spotify. I have fully changed gears and I can imagine is gonna have to wait till next year because mashed potatoes man. They're going to be rotten by the time you get back to him God because I like broke this. See the Jesse. What was the last book you bought that's what we want to know the last book I bought was a graphic novel classic. It's kind of a little bit different though. It's called our story and it's a Chinese graphic novel Memoir. So like the are inside of it actually is like traditional totally pick that up. Yeah, the art inside of it is like traditional Chinese art, and I've never read Like a graphic novel with like that kind of art style. So I'm really excited about that. But this is a memoir about like a memoir that this guy wrote after the passing of his wife which talk about just so pure he like wrote about their love story and stuff and they were like married for almost 60 years. So they have like a lot of history and stuff and like not only are we following their love story but like with all the like the politics and the like culture changes that are happening in China. Like throughout their love story, so just thought it was really interesting and I had to have it. So yeah, a lot of words. It does have quite a few words. Yeah II think I remember picking it up and being like it's really cool because usually graphic novels can have like a not that many words because obviously it's just speech bubbles. Yeah, but know that that one looks really cool. I think I ended up not buying it because it sounded so sad. I was like being idea of someone dying that you love. I'm like, that's just too much. I don't need to read that. Lean, what is the last book that you bought? Okay. Well the last book I bought is one that came out yesterday that I just could not resist buying and that is the starless see by Aaron Waugh author of the night circus for those who don't know. I read the night circus like seven years ago and loved it and have been waiting for another book from her since then and this book just came out and I just could not resist buying it. So I did I don't even really know what it's about. Folks I want to go into it not knowing too much. Yeah, but there's something about Pirates. It's very bookish. Apparently, like from what I've heard. There's lots of references to literature and like Donna tartt books and stuff. So I'm like that sounds right up my alley. Nice. Have you read it Jesse? No, I have not. No, I don't know. I think I will but I'm also like a little unsure because I didn't love the night circus. I see so I'm a little hesitant over here. That's kind of like sacrilege everyone loves the night. I know I need to give it a read honestly. I've had to do as well because like I haven't read it in so long so I don't even remember why I love the night circus. Yeah, but I did love it when I read it so it's like who knows if I even like Erin Morgenstern that'll really remember for the night circus because again, I think we all read it at the same time like booktube just went crazy for the night Sir. Yeah, we all read it at the same time. But like I Remember Loving like loving the ambience and atmosphere. I was probably the best magical because it's At a circus obviously and it was just mystical and really cool and I was like, wow, this sounds awesome. But then I remember like the plot wasn't really there. It was like not there wasn't that much of a story. That's why I didn't care because I was super into like the magical area. Yeah, but it was kind of like, okay and I remember thinking I'd love to see her next book because maybe it will have both do you know what I mean? Like, it'll have all of that amazing amazing Ambiance, but also have the What and I still haven't read it even though it's I think you know what guys you know, what guys well, I think it's a mashed potato book. Oh, there you go. I think it's my newest acquired mashed potato, but I'm gonna read that book for another four years. Yeah. Well, maybe I'll love it so much that you'll just have to read it. Yeah, that's super legit. Actually. I didn't buy a book this week with no nicely done has not happened yet in the podcast. I hope it never Ever happens again and I actually bought two books this week. Like I a few days ago. I bought pumpkinhead's. Yeah, and then I was like, okay, I guess we're going to talk about pumpkin heads again on the podcast but then if this book so I was like, okay, I won't talk about pumpkin heads. But here I am. Dr. Ariel you did get a book in the mail though. I do watch your into stories. And I know that you had a book in the mail. It's true. I did get a book in my mouth. So you did get a book and the book son. And podcast stalker and I just I have my eyes on you guys just so you know, I'm gonna call you out. Would you lie like a book I was sent a copy of strange Planet by Nathan WPI God. I love that comic this is very exciting for many reasons. Definitely would have been a book. I would have bought anyways, so it was really excited when I got an email. That was like do you want it? I was like, what are you talking about sending a me FedEx it? Took your look is all like go go. But yeah, so this is a comic that's on Instagram on Instagram. What is the ad? I think it's I don't remember doing that. But it's I think it's at his name and then strange - yeah strange man named Nathan W pile strange Planet. Anyway. I am sure you've seen these Comics there are four panel comics with these little beings that live on a strange planet and they talked in like very weird. Very Frank and honest about what's going on. It's the cutest little thing. I'm really interested to see how it reads as a book. I was thinking about yeah, I don't know if it will work as well as a book. Like I have no idea. Maybe it'll work great. But I think one of the things I love about this comic is randomly seeing it online totally like you just rolling it over something. Oh my God, there's another one. Yeah when somebody post about it or somebody shares it on their story or like sometimes friends will send them to me. Because we think like that one's like me or that's like this moment or whatever and those moments of just like interacting with one of them in a day is like the best because they're so cute and so funny so, I don't know if it will work as a book. I hate. What do you think? I feel like it's similar to that book. That's like what's it called? Magical mutant Academy or whatever you talk about? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's kind of got like a similar vibe to that works just like a bunch of random stories maybe so it's not like a, you know doesn't have like an overarching story that it's alright. Like I also feel like those Comics are so like easy to just look at and enjoy but every single one is so on point like I've never seen one that I was like well that was dumb. So I feel like even if you disagreed a couple at a time, it's probably going to work out. I had to buy that book too. So it might be good like flipping from beginning to end. Will you get kind of tired of not having a plot sort of like, I just don't know. So anyway, I don't know I'm gonna give it a shot. I don't want to get tired of it. Because I love them so much I mean but I do really love them. So I would be concerned to that. It would just like have a lot of the same ones that are already online. Like I would like only one a book full of like totally new Dylan's so it does really does. Yeah, so I flipped through and because I was showing it to my mom and I was Look you'll like these little aliens are really cute and I was flipping through it. Now. It's like oh there's one I saw in line and then I'd read that one to her. So there's definitely a bunch that are online. Gotcha makes sense. Yeah. Well, that's an exciting not purchase but receivable for you. They're so cute. All right, it is time to jump into our recommendations. We would like to thank everyone for emailing in there getting weirder by the minute. It so true. If you would like to set up put in a submission request for a recommendation that you are craving. The email is books Unbound podcast at gmail.com. But Raylene, why don't you read the first one? Okay. So this was truly the most confusing of all the recommendations we receive but we are doing our best to come up with something for your steam. We don't want to let you down. No, no. Yeah. We want to answer every single recommendation. Even if it's so far down the line. Like we want to answer all of these because they're great. Okay. So Christine says I am looking for a book with a puzzle but not necessarily in a mystery kind of way and that was a puzzle and a mystery in and of itself so stunned. Remember me and really and we're like, huh? How is the puzzle? Not a mystery. That's the way it's synonymous a puzzle is mysterious. Yeah, so it's dumped me for a bit and then suddenly it Licked and I came up with the perfect book. Although the book is mysterious. Like don't get me wrong. There's a mystery right? But I feel like this was the most like puzzling. I feel like so I'm going to pick the same book for some reason. Oh, yeah, it's possible. Okay possible. Really? What did you get? Okay, I picked I am the Messenger by Markus Zusak. I haven't read that one. I picked. Oh my God, you have to read this. Okay. So this is one of those books that I have read multiple times and every time I read it it's in one day because it's so easy to read and you just fly through It is basically about this guy who is an underage cab driver, which is just like a random detail at the beginning of the book. There is a bank robbery happening in him and his friend are there and they're basically kind of involved and long story short. They end up stopping the robbery from happening. And then after that the main character whose name is Ed, he just starts getting playing cards that have like weird notes on them that will say like the name of a place and the name of like a time and a place and he's like, what does this all mean? Why am I getting these? Things so it's very puzzling because he gets so many of these playing cards and he ends up having to like piece it all together and figure out what what's going on and what the purpose of all of these messages. He's getting our and yeah, it's it's a real Puzzler. It's really really good. I really want the title is I am the Messenger so I'm sort of like if he's getting these messages and he is the messenger. Who's he supposed to give it to you. Got to read the book to find out mystery. I also know that he wrote your favorite book, right? Yeah, exactly. That's the other thing. He wrote the book thief and I love both of those books, like equally I would say but they're so different from each other. So I would say if you love the book The like give this one a try but take it with a grain of salt like it's nothing like The Book Thief but it is wonderfully written like easy to fly through very interesting Concepts like he's just so good. Good other than Bridge of clay, he's so good. I was just gonna mention that I was like have you read that yet? Because I haven't read that and I'm so curious your thoughts. I did not like that. Okay, dang. It books are awesome. Now, I'm nervous to read it. But I am the Messenger is really good. So I highly recommend that what did you guys pick the puzzling? Yeah. What kind of puzzle did you guys pick Jesse take it away. I'm nervous about this one because I'm so stumped but I have two options for it and both. Probably don't fit this very well. So I'm sorry to this person that has for these recommendations. But the first one I have is illuminae by Jay Kristoff and Amie Kaufman and I can't really explain why I think this one's this one fits this category other than the fact that like the content of the book is kind of puzzling and away like you have all these pieces that you're kind of trying to put together, but it because it's like transcripts. Yeah. There's also like it's got like a really Testing format. It's a mixed media. Yes mixed media. I have not read it. Great. And yeah, I just feel like if it's the puzzle 5, I don't know. I need an explanation. No, I feel like I feel like it makes sense. If you just say this is what it is. This is what it is. That's what I'm wondering if either of you have read this it's sleeping. Since I want to read that, okay, but I've seen it. So this is a story about a team of people trying to figure out the mystery behind this like big mysterious hand that they find and it's like this big giant robotic hand. They're trying to crack the code of like what this big hand is like what does it mean and it's the first piece of like a part of a bigger puzzle basically, which is a little spoilery kind. It's not super spoilery, but it's like red an absolutely remarkable thing. I almost picked that one for this as well. Yeah, because it reminds me of what you're saying for that one. Hmm. I'm intrigued which one do you really recommend out of those two? Like if someone had to pick one up sleeping Giants? Okay, but the thing is like I don't like Diehard love sleeping giant. So I'm like hesitantly recommending you see but Christy just wants to be puzzled. And so I think she will be I think that fits the bill perfectly I said, I feel pretty puzzle right now. Well my book Puzzled me so hard that when I finally finish that puzzle. I started to cry it was we were Liars by heart. Oh, that's a good one. So again, I just feel like Christine you gave us an impossible thing. That could not be fulfilled because like, how can you have a puzzle without a mystery? This is a bit of a mystery right? Like you don't basically without spoiling anything because I do truly and deeply loved this book. So I very much recommend. Recommend that you go and pick it up. And therefore I don't want to spoil it because I want you to go read it. It's very short everyone. It won't take you very long. Basically. It's about this very rich family who every summer goes to an island with like it's like an extended family. So it's kind of like a couple of events and a bunch of cousins and they all go to this island. But this one time something is horribly wrong and you're trying to figure out what the hell is going on like and it Is honestly one of the most puzzling books because you're like wait, there's something weird, but you don't know what and you just it is it is one of these examples of like a writer completely manipulating you like she knows what she's doing. She knows how to guide you she knows how to make you feel like. Oh you're on to it. No, you're not. Oh, you're onto a no, you're not and in the end the reveal your just like, holy crap. Wow. I remember I read this back. Back in like 2014 I think and I sent Jesse a very long boxer message where I just cried and cried. I was like, oh my God, it's so beautiful. I wish I still had that message. I know really I'm actually a little glad it was a loss to the time. So yeah, this book really hit me. I don't know if it would hit me in the same way. Like I was how the hell old was I how old am I now it was a long time ago. I was you. Teen or 20 and so I was like very different stage in my life. So I don't know if I'd crying that will but like I still love it. I need to read it though. Henry read it. We should all reread some of our favorite books. Hey, we never do that anymore. No one ever dishonest. I don't maybe Jesse reads Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children over and over again. Yeah, pretty much do we don't give ourselves that same Joy. All right. Well Christine, I hope we've did some sort of puzzle solving there. I don't know man. We are now going to go on to Rachel's request. Rachel is looking for a book as intense as the road by Cormac McCarthy a book. I believe none of us has red. I haven't read it. I haven't read it. So we don't know how intense the road is what if actually she might like something like it turns out the roads very calm because like I just take intensity level as crude as a not intense whatsoever. Yeah. However, she does say post-apocalyptic. Father and Son Duo very mysterious and beautiful language but a book that's very intense. Jesse start us off. What was your intent book? Huh? My intense book is the Martian by Andy Weir heck. That's a good one. The story is about a guy who gets stranded on Mars and everyone on Earth thinks that he's dead. So we follow him trying to survive on Mars stressful and I feel like this one kind of has like a bit of a subtle intensity. I like you have the initial shock of being like oh crap. He's on Mars. They left him there. How the heck is he going to make it back to Earth? And then, you know as you're following his Survival Story and you get closer to the end things like really pick up and get really intense and it is it's like maybe You're talking about like that tension. It feels attention that definitely hence and then it like kind of explode. I haven't even read it. I've just seen the movie. The movie is great. Oh good. The movie is rated one of the best book to movie adaptations. I would say for show finally. Yeah. Yeah the book I picked is kind of not like along the same lines, but it's also like intense but in like a different way, I guess I don't know. I was mainly focused on the post-apocalyptic beautiful writing part of this. So hopefully that's okay. I picked station Eleven by Emily. Lee family Emily st. John Mandel and this one, I mean, I guess this one probably has a subtle intensity as well because it is post-apocalyptic. There's most of the world is dead. But what's really nice about the yeah, it's sad it's whatever look there was a sickness. I think that killed off most people but this one is kind of more of a literary post apocalyptic book, which I think is similar to the road and it's kind of a emotional Journey because you're following all these people but basically It's about a bunch of people who in the apocalypse are performing Shakespeare. And so they're like trying to keep you know, theater alive, even though there's like nobody left to see it and it's really cool because everybody is kind of connected to this character at the beginning of the story who dies on stage playing King Lear and so like it's got a very intricately like interconnected character story arcs saying lots of words that probably don't make sense, but it's just like a really beautiful story. Yeah, and yeah, I think it's definitely intense because there's kind of a couple of dark Bad characters who you don't know what they're going to do throughout the whole book and you're like, oh man, that guy's pretty scary. So Am I making that up? Isn't there a part side in Toronto or something? Yeah, probably I think the topic Canadians that probably it's been a while since I've read it. Yeah. It's a little foggy but it's a great book. Okay guys before I jump into my read. I'm gonna need you to bear with me here for a second. So have you ever driven past a restaurant? I always start so confusingly the goes get somewhere. But have you ever driven past her restaurant and you think to yourself in your hometown and you think to yourself? Wow, you know, I bet you that's really good. I want to try it someday, but you don't and it's been like seven years and it's not like the mashed potato situation because you can't saving it you're not I was about to say are we getting back on a mashed potato topic here is pretty similar, but I was like, but it's not the same because like a mashed potatoes you're saving them because you know, you love them like, you know, you're gonna love it or whatever code whereas with this restaurant. You're just kind of you've always been curious and every time you drive by it. It you're like yeah, I should try it but you know, but you but you don't like write it off. Do you have you ever had that I think I know what you mean. Definitely that is what my relationship with station eleven is. Every time I see station eleven. I'm like, yeah, I should read that definitely should but I don't hey congrats. Once you drive past it it leaves your memory, right? Like I'm not thinking about it anymore. That's what I'm talking about. That's how it's different from mashed potatoes potatoes forget about mashed potatoes. All right, so drive-by restaurant. That's how you have to think about minors for next episode. I have no idea God. I've lost my mind. All right. Well, my intense book is 1984 by George Orwell. Have you heard of you guys read this book? I know. Yeah, I have good it is hello tent it is intense in a stressful way again. So I guess we all kind of took that to be intense. Me stories, but 1984. I'm so sure you're a part of it. I feel almost like I'm being condescending by telling you what 1984 is but that's kind of the point of the Pod gonna do it. Yeah. I'm just gonna go on forward here. It's about a world set in the future where well, it's not setting our future It Was Written in the 40s. So it was set in 1984. So it was in the future but it was a future where the kind of the government has total control one of the original dystopias. You have very little say About your life and the government controls everything you do there watching you constantly Etc. And it follows his main character character Winston who is a record Destroyer. So his whole point in life is to just go through government records and Destroy them if the government decides that he thought they don't like them anymore so they can be like, yeah, really we didn't like her very much delete her. That's what Winston's job to just completely wipe all records or change records to make sure that like really never Stood it's super stressful because he starts to have this revolution within him where he feels like hmm. You know this actually it's a pretty horrible way to live. I don't really like it. So he decides to have a journal which is super illegal. It's super legal to write it super legal to like write your own feelings and to do things without being told to do them, but he decides to do it anyway and he starts writing his experience which is the book but he starts to kind of want other people who are also in it with him and like also want freedom and he decides like okay. I'm going to take a risk and I'm going to talk to this person and this whole time you're just like, oh my God, please don't get caught don't get caught. Don't get caught don't get caught and like you're also super stressed because the more you learn about this world the more stressed out you are about how horrible it has become I think also right now like everyone super stressed about politics, which is super interesting moment in a lot of people throw away throw away throw around terms like totalitarianism and Big Brother. We're living floor living in the orwellian state and so it's super stressful like politically because you're reading it and you're like, I hope we're not heading there. We're not it'll be okay, but it's very stressful to read. So one of the reasons I chose. This one was because the road is like a modern classic and I thought maybe the Rachel likes reading Classics. So if he hasn't read 1984, I really think that she should give it a shot. Absolutely. That's totally a book that I think everyone should read in style one point. I agree. It'll be sad but it'll be worth it. All right, you made it sound very stressful. So like I don't know if anyone's going to want to read it now, but it is super stressful. But like if that's why it's so good. Oh guys, I went and saw a Stage production of 1984 on my birthday. And I was so excited. I was like, yeah, this is gonna be so fun a night at the theater and then I'll literally we're walking towards the theater and I'm like this isn't going to be fun. I like 1984 is the most dress. Experience of all time and we sit down and he was horrendous. No is so bad. Like they would have this really bright strobe light and this super loud drill sound that would have just cut at any moment throughout the play like they were conditioning you as if I were part of the government Tracy extra stress and it was loose so stressful that like people would pass out. Oh my God. Oh my God. I had to like take a lot of elderly people away. So awful. A really long run on Broadway not probably it was on the west and I don't know if it was in the States but it was really really good play like well done. But so stressful. Yeah. Well, I was thinking I was like you can't make a happy adaptation know like you kill it. But let's do the exact opposite and let's answer Lucy's request. Lucy wants a feel-good pick me up book. Oh, yeah, just some books that have overall positive outlook. I For message well the balm for 1984 you've read 1984 and you're crying. What do you pick up next? I'm starting to feel stressed. Just talking about right feel like we need to move on to the next break right in the mood. Okay. Well I picked a book. That is the most positive uplifting book. I could possibly think of and I'm really hoping that neither of you guys picked up Joe. I feel like Jesse and I might have picked the same book, but let me reveal it. Anyways, I've got nothing else if this doesn't work, I don't Know what else I can do that is wonder by RJ Palacio. Yay. Is that what you pick Desi know I just felt like relief just brushed. So for me, I had a weird feeling that everything would be okay and it just work out. So I'm glad I picked this one because it is truly just the most uplifting book of all time. I haven't read it what I have a sad story. I started reading it for the booktubeathon and I haven't finished it. You go. I know let's just say I haven't finished it. You gotta sing through that pain. I find that so hard to believe I could not stop reading it when I started it's so like pure and innocent and beautiful. It's it's about a young boy named Auggie who has been homeschooled his whole life because he has a severe like facial deformity that makes him look very different from most people and kind of talk differently and all this stuff and so he hasn't gone to school before and this book starts right when he is going to school for the first time because he they just decided it's time for you to go to school and so he has to face a lot of problems with bullying and you know people treating him badly but as the story goes along it all just becomes a beautiful story of acceptance and like being who you are and there's so much positivity in this book like with his family and like his older sister and there's just so many good people in this book and Thing I really like about this book to is it switches perspectives like six times? So it's not just following Auggie the whole time like you get to see what's happening to him through the eyes of his sister and Through The Eyes of his sister's best friend and Through The Eyes of this kid who goes to a school whose kind of mean to him. So you get to see like all the different sides of the story kind of that school and it sounds like it's not uplifting but I swear it is it some is it middle grade? Yeah, it's me. So it should be pretty fast to read totally exactly. It's the Kind of book you could fly through in a day. You can see Jesse has absolutely no excuse exactly. I would say that Jesse should start reading it right now. Probably just finish it you guys this is this has been great. Thank you for having me on the podcast. I'm gonna go read Wonder now. I gotta go Gotta Go, I'm just kidding. I also have not read it. So excuse so you have no excuse. I don't highly recommend it. It'll lift you right up. Oh man. Okay, Jesse. What book is going to lift us right up. All right the book that I have. Was in is Everyone's an alien when you're an alien to or otherwise known as Everyone's an alien been when you're an alien been to I never know which way to say it. Who knows. Yeah, but this book is about an alien who doesn't fit in with all the other aliens and he sent to Earth to study it and it during that process. He like find some finds himself feeling at home for the first time in his life and it's just so pure and just there's so many like relatable things in here and it's a really like happy-go-lucky book. Because it's you follow the process of an alien like finding himself and that's great. So and it novel yeah. It's a graphic novel. It's I like to pitch it as like a adult picture book because it is more like each couple of pages is like its own little story. Generally you can see but the yeah, that's a good way to phrase. It is like a steam lines on each page really unlike there's lots of pictures. So that's kind of like a strange Planet a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they have a similar Vibe when you're talking about strange Planet earlier. I was literally thinking about that. Yes, he it's kind of like that guy. Oh, that's perfect. They're both really good. Um, well the book I'm going to recommend. I'm actually not sure if either of you have read. I feel like Jesse you might have I don't know it is the storied life of AJ Hickory by Gabrielle 7. Jesse has right? Okay, so good. It is so good. I'm so glad okay. Yes. Perfect. This is for me the ultimate pick me up read. Read the ultimate feel good. It is at the end. It's like Christmas like it's that kind of like warm marshmallow and hot chocolate kind of a feeling. Um, God. I'm just really enjoying adjective successful. So it's about a it's about a Bookshop which to me again is the coziest of all books settings and basically at its core it's about this guy who lost his wife and they used to run the Bookshop together and one day he discovers. This little girl has been abandoned in his book shop and he decides to adopt her and then it's about their lives growing up together in this book shop him dealing with his grief her dealing. Well, not really dealing because She's so little but like her learning about this book shop and growing up with someone who may be like wasn't her parent. And God. This is one of the books that I gift the most I give this book to a lot of people because I have a lot of people in my life who know that I'm obviously a big reader and they are always like what book should I read? I don't read that much, but I want to read something and I'm like, okay, if you don't read that much. I don't want to give you something that's going to be like More stressful like I want to give you something that you're really gonna enjoy is shorter and at the end of it you're going to feel like it was worth it. Like you're happy that you read and so I always give people this book the storied life of AJ fikri. It's so nice and you really liked it to Jesse? I loved it so much. I could look it's got its kind of like a love story to Book Lovers to almost. Yes totally. So if you love books you'll love that book. I feel like that's a great recommendation for peace. That book I really badly need to read it because I haven't read it in so long and it's funny because the reason I picked this up is that Gabrielle's Evan wrote one of my all-time favorite young adult book that I was completely obsessed with called Memoirs of a Teenage amnesiac and then I one day she just wrote this adult book and I was like I can read adult books. I can do that. I checked it and that's like so glad I did because it's just so lovely. Well Jessie we are so thankful for you for being on our Cast and being our first guest. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. We are now off to record our patreon bonus mini podcast and we're recording it with Jesse which is going to be so much fun. We all pick an old ya book and then reveal it to each other and we all laugh and scream about the good old times mainly ice cream and really tells me to stop so it's not know I signed up for screaming today, but uh, I'll Are the vocal critic over here if you want to check that out? I'm really excited to see Jesse what book you picked go and check out our patreon. It's patreon.com forward slash books and found and everyone. Don't forget to go and vote deckled edges or normal Pages for god sakes help me defend what the hell is going on with these? I don't know what's going on with Team deckled edges. Oh my God that guy that does all the way. Yes, you're going to be fighting for your life Aerials. I thought And we'll fight about it later. If you want to join in our buddy read pick up a copy of on Earth were briefly gorgeous and check that out on our Instagram or we'll have all the details about the Facebook group and the dates and stuff. So yeah, we did it. Thank you so much. Yes you for joining us, and thank you so much everyone for your support and for listening. We hope you enjoyed the episode and we'll talk to you guys next week. Bye. Bye. Bye. We just gotta go octaves higher.

It's our first guest! We go through our episode with our long time pal Jesse from JessetheReader and discuss puzzling books that don't have mysteries (sort of...), books with intense plots, and cozy books to warm your heart! We loved doing this episode with Jesse and definitely hope to have him back soon! https://www.patreon.com/booksunbound Go follow Jesse! Fikry by Gabrielle Zevin

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Also, make sure to follow me on On social media on Instagram add embodied astrology, so you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello, Sagittarius, you've tuned into your audio horoscope for Libra season in 2019. This is the span of time between September 23rd and October 23rd. And in this horoscope. I'm going to be talking about the zodiacal or astrological influences that are really at work for you during this upcoming month in this horoscope. I'll be speaking specifically about the Magical movements in the signs Libra cancer Aries and Capricorn for you in the Sagittarius solar chart Libra is associated to the 11th House of larger social networks, social participation and your ideas about kind of groups and group identity. This is also where you interact with technology and other means means of communication and dissemination of information and a large or mass scale cancer rules your solar Eighth House. This is the place in the chart that describes deep subliminal emotional experiences and attachments. This is where you get hung up on your insecurities. This is where you are really deeply attached to the people and the things that you care about this is where you keep secrets. And it's where you actually have a lot of power and the power that is contained in your erotic energy in the kinds of places in your being that you may actually be frightened of sometimes Aries rules your solar fifth house. This is the place in your chart that speaks to Your vitality your basic life energy and authentic self expression your enjoyment of your Life your hobbies your passions your creative practices and your children. If you have them or children that you get to hang out with or childlike energy that you can enjoy in yourself and in others. So this is the place in the chart that definitely holds your inner child. Finally Capricorn rules your solar second house. This is the place in the chart that refers to your values your value systems. How you value yourself your ideas of self-worth and self-esteem your finances and earned income and your liquid assets. All right, Sagittarius. So over these next 30 days. There are a lot of influences and experiences and opportunities for you in this place of a larger social experience. Now, this is going to look different for everybody for some people. All this has to do with how you're interacting with groups with organizations with systems for some people. This has to do with a kind of platform that you hold and your audiences or groups of people that you have direct influence in for others. This will mean participation in larger social projects. Social projects include all kinds of things. Anyway, we're a group comes together or identify as Over a shared Mission or a cause or a behavior or an interest could be included there. Finally. I want to say that in these next 30 days. There are also a lot of important choices that you may be making surrounding your future or the intended or hoped for outcomes of your current projects and efforts in these next 30 days. It is critical that you work critically with the issue of Of value now what you value I believe is changing. This is changing for a lot of us were recognizing that money and the currencies of value that have been kind of objectified are not really always the thing that we need now in some ways. This is common sense, right? You can't eat money and Money can't buy love. These are things that we probably heard a million times. But if you've grown up in the capitalist system, and if you're trying to survive and meet your basic needs then you also know that money is really important and value and your relationship or embodiment of value has a lot to do with how you can access what you need and your experience of Happiness now, Now I think you're understanding that when you prioritize your well-being and by that, I mean your joy Your Enthusiasm being and doing in the world in ways that feel authentic and genuine to you that these are resources and values that are just as important as the financial resources or values. That you might learn or strive for I think you're also understanding that intimacy and emotional connection and emotional balance are just as important. If not more important than financial achievement or worldly success now how you work with your money with your actual finances right now is something that I think you're trying to Gyor out and for some of you listening this will be a time of Financial precarity and maybe even a lot of fear or feelings of impending disaster and that's true for a lot of the world that this is a time of economic turbulence. There's a lot of instability and there's a lot of poverty if you are a person who is working with some amount of resource that you're not scraping by. To meet your basic needs. I really want to encourage you to leverage your Capital right now now is the time to invest in the future and when I say invest in the future, I do not mean only your future I mean our shared and Collective future put your money into renewable resources put your money into social Equity or reparation give your money to organizations that Are actively tending and caring for the future by actively tending and caring for the environment for Youth and for the most marginalized people how you use your money has everything to do with how you use your influence. Don't be a person who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk if you're putting yourself out into the world right now as a person who believes in Justice or Harmony and equity. Then live it do everything that you can to really live into those ethos. If you are a person who is scraping by right now who's trying to figure out how to make ends meet now is the time for you to reach out to your community now is a time to lean into relationship to open to the possibility that others deeply deeply care for you and that when you allow ow yourself to care for them in turn you can receive benefit in your life expand your sense of family in always reach out to your actual family reach out to your friends open to communities that you may not have been willing to open up to or reach out to before see what kinds of resources are there for you. I think that there are some I think that there are ways that you can figure out how to meet your needs without doing it alone without stressing out for all sagittarians out there right now be generous with yourself be generous with your influence be generous in the world the more you can give and expand your heart the more you will get in return. Shift your thinking about what you're going to get move from expectations or ideas of capitalism and kind of hard materiality into an idea and an aspiration for greater spiritual well-being over these next 30 days in as many ways as you possibly can live in the world in a way that you wish it was possible. Support to live in the world in a way. That is harmonious. That is compassionate. That's considerate that is friendly and just see what happens. All right, I'll leave it there for now if you want more information about astrology and these next 30 days what's happening day by day in the planetary aspects and the lunar cycles. Please become a subscriber to embody. Biology, you can subscribe by donation at any amount per month. Even 50 cents a month in trade for your subscription. You'll get access to subscriber only content and that content will give you the outline of this month's astrology how to work with these day by day aspects and Cycles. Thank you so much for listening. 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I mean, I guess you're going to be other York that weekend. Yeah, wondering how you were going to like say it. I was like, okay slowly getting into it. I was like what so humble? Yeah. Yeah. I know. All right, pretty cool about it. You know like, you know, the moment has finally come. I think what we're dying to know is all the details. How did you find out who is the first person you told? What was your reaction that sort of thing? Well, so anyways, you know, I was telling you I don't know how much I can't remember how much I shared, you know on the show, but you know, I think I kind of at least off are mentioned you guys know. They asked me to resign, you know, the Legends deal and I wasn't a hundred percent sure, you know. kind of maybe assume maybe it was just because of you know, everything going on AW never really You know connected it to maybe it's going to be a Hall of Fame thing because honestly, you know, a lot of people out there have actively campaign for their own induction into the Hall of Fame and you know and nothing wrong with that and you've never done that though never because I you know, I need time anyone's ever asked me like I just I can just think of so many people. You know that our that should go into the Hall of Fame that you know from from Generations past that haven't gone in yet, you know, and you know, it's important like for me it's important to see that a lot of to see those people go in while they're still around to you know, enjoy the induction. So so like I just always felt it was you know, what? And kind of and it's just not me. You know, it's not how I operate. You know. Hey do this for me. You know, what about me? We Mimi what about you know, so yeah. I got a call. I got a text from from Mark Chrono. I think people know who Mark is seeing him on Total Divas and other shows. He's ahead of talent relations, and it was just you know, hey, can we talk and I just assumed it was about the you know the deal though, you know signing my contract because I had you know, I had to FedEx package in the contract sitting on my table and finally called and he was like, I just talked to Paul and you know, WrestleMania is going to be you know, I can't remember the words exactly how he said and then he went you're going in the Hall of Fame and I just about shit, you know, and I just I don't even you know, then that he explained but DX and you know, everyone's going in Jody included and You know. and you Max not that I don't feel worthy because I do understand, you know, the things I've done in the industry and like in my career and all that but I'm just blown away by all of it, you know, and I was on TMZ yesterday and I mentioned mentioned I think I think I said this I definitely feel this when thought this you know up until this point was you know, I mean I've done things in my career, you know accomplishments and and that you know DX n wo yen in the Quake all that you you okay, you know eventually like that will happen but I wasn't sure I would still be around for it to be honest with you, you know because not everyone's going to make it to that stage. So Yeah, I'm just grateful. You really know the beard and yeah. You've already said, you know the fact that you're going in with the people that you had the most fun with in your career. And that okay? Yeah, thank you for reminding me that because you know, there are people in you know, as far as Joan he's concerned, you know, there's a lot of people that aren't satisfied with this and because obviously a nice and you know, you guys are pretty sure you just watch the TMZ interview. I did you know, and you know, obviously She is worthy of going in by herself, you know, and in a lot of people like this wasn't good enough and I just I would encourage them to take the win by, you know, sometimes you know, the wind doesn't always come exactly how you want it to but it's a win nonetheless. You know and anyone that doesn't think so. I just I don't even know what to tell him and also to be fair every one of you is probably going to go in individually but as faction DX, I mean it's years thing about that Johnny, you know, yeah, it's great you go in separately, you know should go in on your own I could give two shits sure about going in on my own I If you ask me what my choice is going my own or go in with like I said more than once the people that I had the greatest time of my life with. I'm going to pick going in with them every single time you ask me but it is a nice thing though that the fans do see that you know in yourself China and all of that because it's a nice thing to be recognized also, you know by the fans and for them to say that that's pretty cool too, you know, absolutely and and and I and I am put a tweet out about this I and I'm grateful for the sentiment. Okay, but The heart mean there's only so many slots every year. Okay, and there's so many deserving people as I've talked about like when we just started this conversation and and oh my God, like can we just enjoy an exempt? You know, they'll win. It's a win for for Joanie. She's going to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame and You know forever forever. They can never take that away from her and she deserves it and you know, it's that and even you know, I mean families I family's extremely excited to you know, and I don't talk to her mother. I haven't talked to her mother. I'm happy that she's happy about this. I did talk to her sister talk to Johnny sister. yesterday for quite old quite a long time and I hadn't talked to her and Many many many years. I got me in since since Johnny and I were together. It was the last time I talked to her sister Kathy. So and anyways, okay. Yeah, well people are excited. We're proud of you and you know, just by the reaction that people have given online you guys going in together. It's incredible and you guys are going to give an amazing speech and people are really excited for the whole thing. So congratulations has this like ever since hearing the phone call and had kind of hearing your name and hall-of-famer in the same sentence has that kind of made you go back and sort of reflect on your career and see different things like how they have you envisioned yourself already up on that Podium saying your speech all of that. Yeah, yes because you don't you don't want to forget to thank all the people that you know that helped you get where you are and there's there's so many because no one does this on their own no matter, you know, no matter what I get mean if you if you've been successful somebody has helped you along the way, you know. So yeah, and I'm just what was I saying? Basically you were talking about how how you were sort of reflecting back on your career? And how can you ride you want to forget anybody? Yeah, but no you I just thinking about DX thinking about all the things that everyone got to see and on the things that they didn't get to see that were amazing that we did, you know, all the fun. We had that went along with it the Just the interaction with the people the the amazing people that you know that we encountered along the way just and you know, and individually all that people like individual. I love every single one. I'm the people that that I was in DX with. Yeah and I can speak for my generation a generation of people who grew up, you know watching DX every Monday night. Like I'm sure you know this by now. But people would have like high school watch parties and college watch parties to watch. We'll have to see what DX was going to do this generation. I can't even tell you how all the memories are flooding back now and they're going to make sure they watch the Hall of Fame and God you should be just so proud of that because you really you guys really affected it a generation of fans and such a positive way. Yeah. I'm not positive. I mean depending on how you look at it. Really? I mean all the like all the parents and the children During that my kids went to school with when I would drop them off the they weren't positive looks they were shooting at me in depending on the age. Sure. Well, a lot of people were tweeting at you or spawning at you. How did that feel were there any surprises and he interesting stuff that occurred through there? Um, well, yeah. Well there was a lot just I mean from from you know, all different directions. I when they asked me on TMZ, I was on TMZ yesterday. They asked me, you know, hey, like who reached out to you and they were asking me about famous people reaching out or you know, if and they were asking me the name a few and I was like I draw I couldn't think of like, I mean there are people but like am I gonna have to go look at my Twitter feed? I can't even like there's so many little Johnny has good one. We got one tweet from Michael PS. Hey saying so glad that all of DX is going into the Hall of Fame. They deserve it long overdue. Hope I don't give xpac a receipt. I've got his hair dryers on the fame. Speech. Now I would never do that would I hmm? Yeah, that's all that's a receipt a long time coming if you ever get to it, so I'm a just and I'm grateful like I get along whenever I see Michael now like oh, yeah, we get along the we joke we laugh, you know, but I do know that in mentally I'm going to have my guard down and I'm gonna Company kit you still have long hair. Yeah, so I mean what's left of it? I still got a little bit but so but I don't know might have been about a year ago. There was I think it was Smackdown tapings and at the Staples Center and it was before the show. They hadn't let the people and yeah, there was still kind of going through production stuff and I was on the ramp talking to Road Dogg and I was just shooting the shit and all of a sudden you know, what Will somebody grab back my ponytail I turn around and it's Michael Hayes. He's like got you and goodnight. You have a pair of Scissors because I think I would've lost my ponytail. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you Michael for the warning Freebird rules, and I probably won't be wearing my hair in a ponytail during my induction. Speech. I might even wear a hat. Yeah, and you didn't say on Twitter that you had it on good authority that you weren't going to be having a long speech. Are you like at all like word that he wants? Like Shawn you said this after the Hall of Fame week you are going to be talking for a long time. If you ever got inducted. Like are you gonna tie it or how you gonna feel about that? I'll just say I'll have somebody like, you know, pull me off today's if I talk too long. So yeah. No, I do know that it's going to be much much more pleasurable looks viewing experience for people that are there, you know, because obviously I don't think I'm speaking out of school or like you know, when I say that some of the induction speech has just gone on ridiculously long in the past and like can at times sucked the oxygen out of the hold goddamn down you and just last year by the time Goldberg got to talk. Everyone was exhausted. Yeah, I might have two people are gone and like look, so I think it's going to be structured a little bit different. I just say that because I can't speak for dead. I'm not speaking WWE at all. Like I'm just saying what was told to me? See ya? Awesome. Awesome. Well, do you I wanted to ask you one more thing about this. I wanted to know if you celebrated in your own special way. I know Ron funches. Got you a cake. But have you had have you taken a moment to yourself to like really just kind of like Revel in it. Is there any cake left? No, I only had a bite actually just for the picture run at the rest now. Are you that we just couldn't yeah. I know neither one of us. He cakes are okay, but but not really, you know people like saying are we gonna have a celebration party and never been that thing really like, you know, like if somebody throws a birthday party for me, that's crazy to me like that. People are fussing over me or like it just seems like we're down Denise for next birthday. No birthday party Hearts not my surprise party surprise party, even when that's worse, so I don't Like I don't know. I'm just I celebrated in my in my head, you know, and my children are going to come see me inducted and that's really cool. It's amazing. Yeah, it's yeah, I mean it's just Screenshot of my son's Facebook page and like how proud he is of me and like you got to understand, you know, I went over for years without even speaking to my son or I'm speaking of me, you know, and we have a really good relationship now actually my son's going to be out here in a few days to see me. It's incredible. Yeah, it's going to spend. I'm about a week out. So I'm just you know, there's it's not that like, okay, I don't still have things I have to do to make myself better. But like I I've come a long way, you know and and healthy relationship with my children is like the number one indicator of that Above All Else above everything else and you knows you were asking me who I talked to who I you know, and you know, I called my girlfriend, you know, you know her what was going on and that but like the first people I really, you know called and got on the phone and told because they were such a huge part of me and then up here is Maria and Keven Maria Maria Menounos and Keven undergaro course. This is their Studio where an AfterBuzz TV and I wouldn't be Where I am in life right now without them so they were really like the one that I really wanted to share this with the most. I love that. Yeah, I guarantee they'll be there too. Yeah and I I was at the very first Hall of Fame ceremony. It was as a part of wasn't as a part of WrestleMania. It was in 94 and it was it was part of King of the Ring. And and it was shit. Look it up here. I think Chief Jay Strongbow Freddie blassie. Bobo Brazil, yep Nature Boy Buddy Rogers body Roger Milla Monsoon gorilla, and it was really cool. It was really cool to be to be there for that. So yeah now you'll be on that stage. Yep. All right, let's talk about something else. Okay. All right, we're gonna go ahead and move on so we have some big news as well. So on this past Monday Night Raw for big ending. Stars debuted including Ricochet Alistair black Johnny Gargano and tommaso Champa, which this kind of came out of nowhere has a big surprise. I wanted to know basically Triple H announced that at the top of raw and then throughout the show. They each had you know, they each had a magistrate has had a different moment. So I wanted to know what your guys thoughts were dark. if you're going I good stuff, but like a sum up but like I question like okay, man, I I wouldn't have booked Alistair Black versus Elias. I just on in my head before like even watching those two. That's not like a good mix to me to me their Styles don't mix as well as somebody else that could have put allister black in there with and his debut on you know on that, you know on that platform. I was you know in front of millions of people and it wasn't like it wasn't good but like, you know, It wasn't we didn't need to do that with Elias exactly, you know, and I thought it was a way better like that idea to put him in there with and ride you the last night. You know, I kind of felt like personally speaking that almost like you didn't feel as special mainly because the crowd wasn't really on there. I kind of felt like first not right on Raw. What's the Crouch laughing? They were the shit they were not into anything. I don't they should never go back. Yeah, and that's that sucks because like, you know, this was a big moment I caught. Okay, so like for me personally like seeing them all in different parts, there were some moments. I was kind of like, okay, like for example if with tomasa Champa, I was a little bit disappointed. Kind of see him, you know work as a face, you know, it was a little like, oh, you know, he was like literally the top heel in NXT and we know we've seen him do so much evil stuff and all of that so it's kind of a big shift for me and I'm wondering if maybe a lot more fans felt this way. Yeah, I didn't like get the I felt like it was jump a light. Yeah. It was almost like kind of like a movie trailer. Like hey if you have been watching NXT, this is what you should be checking. Going out every single week and it's almost it was like a reset button for Gargano and Shambo which those of us who obviously follow NXT. Let's just put this cold match out. There were these debuting guys and give them a win over these guys and like so you buy them like I just I get the sentiment and you don't like you want to give a big impact. It was just it just felt like here we want you to accept these guys and did it feel like Vince took like a three-day vacation with the way the map because NXT was Seated right for both night. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what it just felt like felt like okay. I already know the finish going into it. They're going to win exactly somehow like it because you're not going to just debut these great guys and just have him get beat like so I think it was good. I mean it was a better way of introducing them them some other ways. I've seen people brought up, you know, I kind of feel weird, right Like for me look all honesty like just speaking for myself. I prefer NXT call-ups to be a surprise to be out of nowhere to be one random person on a random wrong in a good city with a good crowd instead of kind of like all fours. Like hey, these guys are coming and they're all coming tonight. I rather have that element of surprise because and that kind of keeps you on your toes as a fan like, oh, you know, I'm gonna tune into raw this week because I don't know like I didn't expect for tomorrow. So Champa to come in next week you get me like, I like the different elements. I like the And a surprise one of the things that I think that no matter what these guys I feel are going to definitely get over on the main roster just because of their ability. So no matter what we're going to have that and I do think that I mean they said that they're going to have an announcement tonight on NXT. I don't know what the announcement is, but I'm thinking also that these guys moving on to the main roster does clear up a lot of space for some of the guys that have before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Why you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free? 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So so it gives them a lot of opportunities now kind of looking at the broader scope of this I do feel like there's so much talent that you know on Rod now with these guys being called up or if I don't know if it's permitted or not permitted or whatever you want to say, but it's pretty cool to see see where they're going to go with this. I mean granted I would want to see Alistair black and a different storyline, but that's just me. I'm wondering if this is a an actual call up at all or is it just getting more people familiar with the stars of NXT to raise the awareness of the NXT brand because did anyone catch the interview Matt riddle did and the quotes he had about NXT being as good and the pot possible and XT could be better than the other two Brands. Did you guys see them you know that part but you did right? Yeah, and it's here's the thing on the top Mark if you can find it NXT obviously sells out all the takeovers and people generally love the takeovers sometimes more than the main roster pay-per-views and everything and and who knows what the move the fox there's there's always the rumor that NXT could end up on FS1. So maybe it's a gradual progression to that or maybe it could just be hey, let's get more people into the network. It could be a combination, but I'm with you I can't Them all being called up full time because we still have people like Lacey Evans and EC3 where people are totally confused about them. Yeah. That's the one thing is we have this debut these debuts from or these just uh, drawn-out debuts. I'm a fan of all of the people from NXT that have been called up for like extended lie, but the fact that it was a couple of weeks before we even saw some of those folks versus hey these people here tonight. They're all on a match and then they all win and blah blah blah. I thought it was interesting that for if They're debuting. Why did they still use the NXT graphics for them? Like the lower thirds and stuff. I think that's telling us to that. This is just sort of a temporary thing. I agree with you Sean. I have this Matt riddle quote here that he gave TMZ. He said funny enough. I was thinking about that the other day and I want to get to the main roster, but then I was thinking maybe I'm thinking about it wrong because NXT is so hot. Maybe we should stay and try to build an XT and make it bigger than Raw and SmackDown and just be the big guy which It's impossible. I don't think and he continued saying I think the big thing is Vince McMahon owns r on Smackdown. He owns everything. Those are his babies. He's had them forever. So I think the probability of actually taking over at that level is probably hard. But at the same time I don't see it too far from the future of us being on the same playing field as Raw and SmackDown and I do believe I spent a little bit of time at Fox Sports the way they're going to think when they see the kind of ratings that Smackdown brings into Fox they're going to say, oh give us more what else can you give us? Let's Come on, because FS1 I don't care how much money they have put into it FS1 struggles. They do not get great ratings. And so they're going to want to put stuff on there. Yeah. So what do a lot of people I know who have cable couldn't even tell you where FS 1 is regardless of how ESPN has struggled a lot of people still don't find FS1 unless they're a fan of Collin County Fair and even on the guy that's usually buried and playing some other Regional sports channels. Like yeah, unless you're a massive fan of State Colin Cowherd or Skip Bayless, which not many people. Skip but you're not going to tune into FS1 just to get your sports news sports center still has that you know if you have cable so I think they're going to be opening their arms like Hey What Can you give us an NXT may end up on every come by and and let's think about this to think about who's behind, you know, NXT who who are the like the decision makers who are guiding a lot of that stuff Sean. Michael's, I mean, come on hotter. Yeah, you know, give me those guys any day on my on my team and and the talent they have there and I'll put that up against Smackdown Raw any day of the week put us on the same Level Playing Field. Look at their team. You got Sara Del Rey you got Matt Bloom. You got Scotty 2 Hotty. I mean who that's a great Squad to learn from you know, so they know what they're doing. Yeah. All right. Well moving. Oh, so don't wait wait. So Ricochet who did Ricochet work with us on Ross and he tagged he teamed up with Finn Balor against Bobby Lashley and CEO Rush. Yeah, and what a great showing for Ricochet? Yes. It was. Yeah great. Right. Look, he's one of those guys that like, I'm you put them in there. No matter what, he's Gonna Shine bright automatically and like even with that like let's say the Casual phallus just say mom and dad they're not big wrestling fans. But hey, let's take the kids out to a Monday Night Raw. They're in town. They see a guy like Ricochet. They don't need to know a storyline. They literally just See him in the ring and that's the sort of thing that attracts, you know that type of viewer. So I feel like within that like just given with that. It's a bonus. I think plus seeing thin and Ricochet together two guys at five years ago. You never necessarily would have thought they would be in WWE. It's a beautiful thing to see them work together as well. And then you know Lashley and Leo having their issues that worked out really well. Yeah, we're kind of jumping around here because I mean, okay, you're sure you know, some like you're bringing up Lashley and Leo made me think. And I with the hell were they doing like, you know, I like to match the had a termination chamber, but geez, did anyone not see that like Leo Rush getting pinned for the title a mile and a half away. That's the only thing about that and then you know, why even bother like chokeslam and I'm or whatever the hell he did to Leo afterwards if you just going to show up with them the next day. Oh and understand that I can't be the only one complaining like for me. That's that's right. I know we're going to get into it later by myself. I'll just mention it now for me. It was just the whole stipulation of the match. Like why would you put Bobby Lashley in a handicap match when he is the guy with the whole Advantage? I mean look at him. He's a Powerhouse, you know, it's you know, it just didn't make sense to me. And I also think that it makes sense when you're trying to protect. Yeah, lastly from getting be but you want to get the belt off of but but still I just, you know, I think people see through that a lot of telegraph in there. It just makes you forget also, what an incredible Talent Leo Rush is It incredible Talent they have with him because in this position, you're sort of just seeing him as a sidekick as a manager. You want to see him to as his own respective athlete. All right. Well moving on we'll go ahead and talk about tide Dillinger tide Dillinger has requested his release from WWE. He posted a message on Twitter and on Instagram saying I requested my release from WWE and the past five and a half years with them. I have seen and done some wonderful things. He then went on to say that he has worked with great talent. He thanked everybody that this was a Very difficult decision for him but that he wants to show himself as a performer a little bit more of himself. And he basically just said Thank you understandable. He has a lot to offer. I don't think like it's going to be any like, I don't think he's going to show up anywhere necessarily immediately moved the needle, you know, but I could be wrong about that too. Well, you know and yeah and that but But she's got so much operand and he does have the support of the fans right? Like I mean, I see that around hot for a minute, you know, when he got called up, you know, you know people were interested in him and he was he was hot for a while actually and then just kind of out of nowhere just had it went it went it went downhill and then he was out with a hand injury since October 2018. He recently came back for a SmackDown on February 9th. So that's a pretty big gap. Yeah, and I I was mentioning before we started recording, you know certain people that want on them that are going to want their release. I think it is in the best interest of the company to let them go. I mean you do not want you know even one it when one person that's not content that's unhappy can really take the water supply Poison the Well, if you're if you know what I mean, you know and not even being to do it and I've been I've been that person at times like, you know your You're unhappy and it spreads its kind of contagious. So, you know, if they can come up with something they just don't see anything in the cards for you know, certain people. I think it's in their best interest to probably let them go but timing is interesting because we are at were I think we're very much approaching what 90 days before double or nothing. There's the whole 90 days and compete cause but I don't know if that has anything to do with it. But the timing is I just think though that perception is obviously so important. poured in and you know people have talked about this if you know people is like networks or something or seen that x amount of people want to leave the company, you know, that's going to start raising some red flags are going to start raising some question marks, you know, so I don't know like do they just let Pete the people that asked for the release has to go or just in case make it work or case-by-case if like I was just saying if they if if they just don't the decision-makers just don't see you know them figuring in like I think it's in their best interest to let them go but like, you know, the people that they can make happy that they can for example natively satisfy. Holy shit loose normally if the rumors were true the Revival wanted out well now they're tag champs. Yeah, if the rumors about the Usos may be leaving our true. Well, guess what now? They're champions again Sue. So I guess it's like you said Case by case depending on how valuable they feel the people are sure yeah. All right. One of the things we also wanted to talk about was after the elimination chamber Mark Henry's documentary The World's Strongest Man aired on the WWE Network Shawn. What did you think about it? Did you watch it? I didn't get to watch it. Sorry y as a as a big Mark Henry fan as a human being and and as a performer and a colleague, it was such a good job. Yeah, they they I mean good isn't even what a great job. They did on that W. He's production and for all of their documentaries there 365's their 28th there 24/7 is all of it has been dynamite and this one. I feel like they nailed and knocked right out of the park. What an amazing story of an of an amazing man. I know you are blown away by the fact he went back to the World's Strongest Man and became that once again after like a six or seven year layoff and the fact that we didn't necessarily get to see any of that. Work any of that struggle? We didn't know what Mark was going through at the time and they having Mark tell the story and not having like like they have with previous things have somebody like Bill Shatner like at this time Mark Danon blah blah blah and whatever but having Mark tell his own story on top of it and his friends like Big Show and DLo was such a gift. Yeah. Yeah. I'm honored worked with Mark and you know, Call my friend and you know back in and he discusses and in the documentary about his early struggles with the locker room and coming in and not you know, really, you know coming in at a time when no one was getting guaranteed money at all. And then we find out all this guy gets a seven-figure 10-year guarantee contract. You know that puts his balls ions on the on somebody's back, right? Sure. So yeah, so a lot of people they just didn't like they do you want to work with them, you know, they complained you know, and and that whole my God Louis Lula I call her Louis sometimes but she's suing her snoring and his the only girl on the break. What was I saying about Mark, you know not being welcomed with open arms. Yeah, and and you know you go the guys will go out there visible like cabinet working with him and I loved working with Mark Henry. I knew because I knew how to work with guys like you look at somebody and you go. Okay, he's good at this. This isn't his strong suit so we don't try that with him, you know, and and the same could be said for me there's things I'm good at things. I'm not good at and I just don't do the things. I'm not good at so, you know, that's what wrestling is all about is, you know, you take each other and you shine the things about them that are you know, we're shined and you protect you and you cover up the things that weakness isn't the chinks in the armor. So look there's a okay my I was talking to Mark at last that's TVs here and we were talking about a lot of things and how much we loved working with each other and Kane and I work with Mark and DLo on the over the edge pay-per-view though and passed away on and the match doesn't get talked about it all because it was on that show and you know, so the only thing people think about on that shows owns passing. So but we had a great match and you know, I had different matches with Mark, but my favorite was Handicap match that China and myself versus Mark Henry when Hunter was outside and then eventually like DLo came out and I suggest everyone watching is in me and not people were going off and it was a really good match. It was my honestly it was my favorite favorite match with Mark and his longevity has been absolutely incredible to and now he's an ambassador does tons of Special Olympics and Heart of Gold. Yeah, and he You know, he has a new job around there and it's kind of like a locker room and force her but that's not like I think what people might think that the wrong way but there's you know, he mentioned okay, there was a situation where you know, someone didn't want to clean up after themselves in the locker room and it's just like, you know, come on, you know, it's not that hard to pick up after yourself. Don't need to be a fucking slob in a locker room. So have a little pride and so, you know the next time you come and sometimes you're using other people's lockers like T, like sports teams locker rooms and like you leave their shit a mass and you know, so I mean I get it I understand that and I'm happy for Mark and it's great to have Mark around the you know, coming down the younger guys are sure and hey, let's take a break real quick. We'll come back and I want to keep I want to continue to talk about then XT call the call-ups and you know and what I noticed what stood out to me big time on the smackdown show concern. Okay. Alright, we're gonna take the chamber as well. Yeah, we're going to take a break right now. We'll be right back. We're back and we took a break. I don't even know why we took one knowing what no, one took a piss and no one when powder their noses basic housekeeping. Yeah, Lulu still sleeping anymore. I went over there and kicked her in the side. I'm just getting somebody's probably going crazy right now thinking I actually get that. Oh my God. I used to have one girlfriend that I would snort I have been a bad snore all my life. Well, not on my life. A lot of my adult life. One of the girlfriends used to plug my nose and middle of the night while I was asleep. And that's healthy or just you know, squirt bewl water. Just like your I can oh, I don't know what I tell you like the thing that really upset me was when I would wake up and you know, she'd be in sleeping in the other room. Like I don't know that one with that bad. Yeah. Yeah, but now I might you know, I just assumed sleep by myself to be honest with you. Like I don't know why I got off on that tangent. So about snoring right breathe, right? No strips. We're willing to take you on as a sponsor if you're interested. Holler at us. There you go. Yeah. So before we took that quick little break there I was going to you were here about Smackdown. Yeah and the NXT call up Sykes because Alistair black hat andreotti the next night on Smackdown which was an opponent. He had great matches with in NXT. So it was a really really good matchup and the you know, they were able to work that style. They work to NXT and other guys, you know coming out there and working how look what I'm trying to say is it was like you could until there was this big difference to me in the field of those matches and those guys with this cutting-edge style with different ways it going into things shit. I just got my cold brew on the floor. That's strong glass didn't even break shot at Starbucks. God damn it. No little woke you up. What was I saying? Okay princess. Yeah, and it just the way they go into things and and and then you go and you see the other guys on the roster that are just working that same kind of You know same routines same way shooting guys in its kind of felt all the sudden really Antiquated looking compared to the shit. I saw from the NXT guys. So what do you do? What should change? I think some of the other guys on the roster maybe need to step up and you know update their game. but do you think like that when you go out there and you're doing and that's essentially enough to keep you on the main roster essentially like how I don't know what we did you get comfortable in our routines exactly, you know, and and that's how it worked before you could see every, you know, like ever like wrestling from around the world and all the promotions and everyone has something online you can see and you know Back then, you know many years ago like you could do these routines and they weren't routines to the fans, you know, because they didn't see him as much right. So yeah, I just think that we get comfortable, you know, and and so it's time to shake things up a little bit. I think that's probably what there doesn't appear to have a bit of a log Jam of Talent on the main roster already and then you bring up these four individuals who are all really good. Good. Maybe it's a bit of a wake-up call for anyone who's on the main roster should be and I think it is and I think some people are seeing it that way like in the because I've read that. Well, there's not like a resentment. There are a lot of hey what's going on here? And there's our spot safe and you don't have a spot. Like your spot is like as long as you're like performing and like it's not like you're entitled to this spot and it's your spot from now on like you can lose that shit and a day. I really seen that to I know it's fine. I really like that theory Sean because we hear it every time a takeover happens at a major pay-per-view is that it puts everybody on their toes for the main roster show the very next day. What if it's taking that concept and bringing it to TV. We're at any And you know what? We're going to bring some folks from NXT and show them off on this show. So everybody better step up. Yeah. Well two things Sean on this show you have mentioned prior that I forgot who Our Guest was at that moment. But you said that you have to basically stand do a lot to stand out because there's so many people out there that can do incredible things. Yes. So when you have so many incredible things, how do you stand out and I feel like maybe that's something that it's kind of hitting base here. Yeah. I and it's not necessarily Denise. It's not necessarily like I've sent this before unless you're Ricochet, you're not like or a couple of guys like that. You're not going to be the best at what you do like technically like you can be the best flyer, you know, so it's the in between the moves stuff. You know that I mean all your shit has to be on point like your moves and everything has to be executed good well and and all that, you know, but that's not what's going to make you stand out unless you're a Ricochet or somebody at that level. Otherwise, it's the in-between Showbiz stuff that you do and yeah, and I think guys are just going to have to figure out those types of ways to stand out do you think because they were only six weeks from WrestleMania? Is there a shot of like These four individuals not only being on takeover, but also being on the Wrestlemania card. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, why not they deserve it. They were not incredible matches. So I mean that makes sense. Maybe there's going to be an NXT feature match at WrestleMania. There was a rumor that the 205 Live Match featured match was going to be a ladder match. But since the ladder match for the North American Championship was so Bonkers and dynamite last year. Maybe they put something like that on WrestleMania proper. Maybe yeah, very interesting. Ting do you want to move on to elimination chamber now? Yeah sure unless you unless there's something else a you know, missing week the rest of it ties into elimination here. I think but we can go ahead and kick it off with the Opening match, which was the Women's Chamber match for the Tag Team titles for the women. What were your thoughts on that? if I told you I would be I wouldn't be very be very genuine because I didn't really I didn't really I saw it, but I don't nothing really stood out to me except for the actual winning of the tag title and not that it wasn't a great match. But you know, I don't get to see every second of every show like and I'm pretty sure everyone knows that that follows this show you none of us do is hard. Yeah, so I caught the ending of the match you knowing into them winning and that was very compelling and I was extremely happy for them. And I'm assuming the rest of the match was really good too. It was it was for me personally. I'm being honest it was okay. I think the women have had a lot more better matches in terms of like their Rumble Match in terms of their you know, in terms of the Money in the Bank match has I kind of felt that this I'm not a fan of tag team Elimination Chambers because I feel at some point it gets cluttered by the time of the iconic Scott in it was just so much going on. There was a lot of unfortunate like Mist moment start. To come back to me now the knees as you mentioned in there you go. Yeah, so I just kind of felt there was a there's a root. Sorry to interrupt you, but there's a reason why I almost knocked it over again Bruce happen. It's the second one. So there's a little jittery here. No shit. Well, that's okay. See I see your point. I think all the teams had great at the ikonics were so fantastic. But yeah, it gets a little muddled but I think considering the circumstances They all handled it really? Well, I thought I just kind of felt it was just move after move after move didn't really get hot until Naomi and Carmela came in. Yeah, and then after that there was there was a few moments I did. I do have to say that the ikonics did I think shine really bright in this match besides Naomi and Carmel. I will say that but it just kind of didn't really Captivate me where you're like, oh man, this is so great and I felt that for this is not a knock on the women because I felt that for plenty of their other matches. It doesn't just didn't work for me. Just like coming out of the box like out of the starting box. It did like that's why I didn't like that's why I kind of lost interest because like the early part of the match was just kind of It didn't you got okay, there are certain parts of the matches that you have to mail and they have to be like the beginning of the match to get the people into it like you got to nail the beginning and the end. A hundred percent you got to nail that shit like yeah everything in between the important too. But like, you know, you got a guy coming out coming out of the gate. You gotta you gotta get on base, you know, you got to hit a single or double at least, you know and using baseball almost time to go back to the Royal Rumble when Lacey Evans kick things off exactly. Yeah, you know exactly and as such so important for her, you know, because that's what people are Membrane like and you know, she'll get to that but anyways, I don't want to digress Balian Sasha new Champions and you know, definitely historic way to Crown the first tag team Champs and the crowd was into it the entire time. I think it was just one of those those matches where it was different for the people watching at home and for the people live because the people live were hot for this match the whole time and you know, they had an Ayah do that spot where she runs through the through the what you call it the plastic the doors whatever you want. I'm not really sure what they're called the door part. Not the Pod the like the well, there you go. The glass the glass key players soup that she had it all meant that you know, you have your Braun strowman's do and everybody loved that. So that was fine. But yeah, there you go Sasha and Bailey champ and all right. So when I saw the tag belts, by the way, I had seen because I saw a tweet from from Shane Helms few months back. I think it was that showed like a picture at Women's tag titles and they didn't look like that. Don't think and I thought they looked at like look great. I thought those are I like yeah, but I thought I saw it. I saw it. I thought outside different design for them. Okay. I don't know I maybe I'm imagining it and we already talked about you know, the whole Lashley Finn Balor. Yeah. Russia was a really good match. Yeah. Is it really good match? I thought I really did and I you know, the people liked it at least and they still you know reacted well liked and it was a Good feel-good moment. And when in the title it's just like I just saw, you know saw coming. Yeah, Stevie Wonder saw that shit come that's an old joke that appreciate you as an intuitive guy. What are the other things that we want to talk about is Ruby Riot vs. Ronda Rousey, not necessarily mainly because more of the thoughts that came out of this match a few people on Twitter. We're pretty sorry about that. So I you know, they had the introduction. Inch and I walked into the kitchen and I want my God. No is over Yep. This was really so I didn't see any of it. Yeah. This was honestly a two-night match because they had the rematch on Monday and Ruby really got to shine but then a lot of people were saying well she just got destroyed. Why would she get a rematch after losing and to that logic? You're correct, but I don't know me to me. It's tough because you want Rhonda to be dominant going into WrestleMania. But wow, that match was what 1 minute and 40. Yeah, but okay. Yeah, and I get it and that we're not we don't know exactly why that match. Mandala I could be with they just want to get round over strong sure, but it also could be budgeting, you know, TimeWise and who knows but you know, and it's something they do a lot is to give, you know, give a rematch from the night before. Do you know they do that a lot? And I've had I don't know how many times like I've had a match on on the pay-per-view and then worked with the same person or the same team the next night on Raw. Yeah, you know and if you know if we did the job the night before we get it back on raw and it would be like, okay, I'd rather win on TV. Then. I'm Gonna Pay Per View more people see the women are loss on Raw, so that happens a lot. But so this rematch at least you got to see what they could do, you know, did you like it? I love it. I I liked it. I liked it. I just feel like more when it comes to the elimination chamber. I know a lot of people were angry, but truthfully I thought that the way the match happened was how it should have happened because granting a ruby Riot she's great and whatnot. But this was about Ronda Rousey Charlotte sitting out there Ronda Rousey's a heel so she's gonna obviously be you know, to come out and she's gonna essentially kill her and that's what it should be because she's going into WrestleMania main event of WrestleMania and that second and look that Ruby riots job elimination chamber what's to get Rhonda over strong bottom line and she did her job. So sorry if anyone didn't like that. Yeah, and then when Becky came out the whole segment to me just proved even further. This is without a doubt the main event of wrestlemanias. She went Ham on those crutches on both of them and this segment that crowd was electric for anyone still trying to tell me. Oh, no, it's going to be Brock and Rollins or something. I don't know prove me wrong. These women should be in the main event. There's no way. Well, you also speaking about the post-match. Basically Becky Lynch came out in her crutches. She came from the crowd. She when she got into the ring and then basically Charlotte didn't expect it and Becky hit her with the crutches after she attacked her she had the staredown with Rhonda where it was kind of like are you gonna join me in your also going to attack Charlotte? What do you do here? Rhonda makes the mistake of turning her back and giving her back to Becky Lynch where Becky Lynch gets her with the crutches and perfect. There you go. Beautiful. Perfect and okay. Okay, anyone that's like I want you to hit her from behind. That's how you do it 2019. That's how it baby face. Does it in 2019 back jump in baby Mania. See ya. So ya know it was just so good to watch and look. Yes. It was rough. And you know, those those women they got the shit beat out of me with that fucking crunch, Charlotte. Okay, everyone. Yeah, and I seen the marks and all that. On their bodies and you know, some people be like, oh, you know, you know, they want it. This is the thing. Okay, if it was guys out there doing that no won't be going. Oh my God. Oh my God, these women can fucking handle it just as much as we can. Okay, everybody. There's fucking pound for pound tougher than we are as a matter of fact. Yeah. Okay, so like let's not get too. Up in arms all like women, you know, oh the poor women fuck that and you badass bitches and they and yeah, and I don't mean bitches in a bad way. I mean what you're saying is those three women they're not going to do anything to be taken out of this main event. And if that means getting the hell beat out of him with crutches, so be it they're going to measure that main event. Yes. I did like Becky Lynch has a follow-up tweet. She just wrote at Vince McMahon and then she just put a little GIF of her saying screw you that was pretty fun that she did that. Right after her match. No. Hello one readier. She did. There you go. All right and moving on to obviously the hottest match of the night for I would say and definitely one of the hottest moments that we've had in quite a long time on it. W pay-per-view, which was the men's elimination chamber and obviously the final to Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston, which literally had the crowd on fire though. They were the last two guys they basically went back and forth with some kicks. They had a great Moment On Top of the pie. Pod they were aggressive. It was exciting quite a few people that Kofi was gonna come out Champion thought why not? Yeah, why not? It would have been just fine. It would have and I said that's watching it. I'm like, I'm I'd be happy with a Kofi Kingston Kofi Kingston title and right now leading in the Wrestlemania. For sure, I would I would love to see. I'd like to like to see coffee when that thing. Well, he's going to get his match at Fastlane. That is the main event of fastlaner at least one of the title matches. But yeah, a lot of people had those suspend disbelief moments like that you don't often get and they were so into it. And yeah, I mean a lot of people are calling for that to be Daniel Bryan Kofi at WrestleMania, who knows considering it's going to be a fast lane. What do you think? It's going to happen? I doubt it honestly while first of all for me like I've said, A million times. I'm a fan of a person that has the belt for a really long time. So I don't want to see Daniel Bryan lose about just yet because I he can still do so much for it and he had the hot thing going with it right now, but why not give Kofi that opportunity. I don't I don't want that match at Fastlane. I wanted to rest of me. That's what do we want for Daniel Bryan. Here's the problem with that though if you put them. Staffa Ally in the main event or their title match at WrestleMania Daniel Bryan. You're going to risk the fans turning on him just because he's not Kofi. It's almost like the Royal Rumble this was but I didn't know I was the plan. Oh sure the inner so initially, I gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah both speaking of people keeping their spots. We've mentioned this like for example was originally last year. We all thought it was going to be Charlotte vs Ronda then Becky basically made herself into something and now she's in there and I think this is kind of a moment with Kofi Kingston where he made himself something. The fans reacted they liked what they saw and now they're behind it. So now you got to do something about that you have to and I think they're I think they know that so we'll see what happens. I think it's up to the fans over the next couple of weeks to really show Kofi as much support as possible because yeah, they're going to fight a fast lane but it's no guarantee. It's going to happen to me. Neither. I almost wish that there was no pay-per-view coming up until WrestleMania. Yeah, like it was like bro rumbles. There's another one of those fast lane is not necessary. No, no, is there another one after fast? Falling down. There's not another brand pay-per-view. Oh good. No because everything did the cut down. I don't know but the point is I just really would like to see it carry on all the way until WrestleMania and with yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I'll call him and let him know. Yeah past that Kofi Mania. There you go. And that pretty much covers elimination chamber. All right. What else do you want to talk about anything? We done here the so we got I think we're done Hall of Famer big ready. Cool. Well, you want to talk about star cast. Oh we can talk about that next week. Okay, then we'll be there. So hey, ho be there get ready for let me guess next week. I just you know, I don't know. There's just this seem like there's always tons of talk about you know, and you know, I know people like Ghasts to and I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you everyone sometimes I have really good guest on here. And don't do the numbers we do when I just talked about recap of pay-per-view or are some other like subject that's you know, relevant or topical or whatever. So it's really weird. So like I never I'm never you know, that's why you never know like Jesus Christ three times. I knocked over my cold brew. Know what you think if you thought the same way they did if maybe you had a different opinion and people like to know I know I personally like when my favorite podcast host has the same thoughts that I do because I'm like, oh we've got the same. That's great. And I think people like that and to be honest is someone who really enjoys going through wrestling matches with professionals going through a match with you and hearing your thought process is unlike any other and so I think people really enjoy hearing that to cool the psychology. I'm happy to give it to me. Absolutely, you know. And I'm grateful everyone that tunes and and I are you know, like I see numbers getting stronger and you know people tuned in to the YouTube page and watching us on there and I see that I'm grateful for all that to so. All right. Well, let's get out of here. Okay, social media before we go. Yeah, let's do all that. All right. So for the show, don't forget to follow us at xpac wanted 360 show on Twitter on Stick around we're at Xbox One to 360. So make sure to follow us on there for news updates a little fun to bits that we post up. So make sure to check that out. And then for myself, you can check me out at underscore Danny. 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Welcome to my life because of the supply episode 276. This program is dedicated in honor of the first deal outside of Hindi Hindi. Cantor Fogle and loving her memory of hindle a Abbas Menachem Mendel like Babylon era. Her lamp does not go out at night make this program and we all are learning together and the help it does for so many people all over the world. Standing her Merit as we are honoring this program in her name. So we are now the beginnings of the month of elul Montebello, of course is the month of the conclusion of the past year Takashi haneda preparation for the new year as we've been discussing over the past weeks. So this coming Shabbos is going to be partially key States or in the week of cassettes a as well, as this week has two special days in the Chabad counter. The 11th of L is the wedding anniversary of the Rebel rishabh into fresh Lambert. Hey, And the 13th of L is the wedding anniversary of the lab Afridi kadapa into freshman Zion special. My modern was said and toughest hombre de Mirage said Haslam Ahmad Ahmad Rashad Deb's the connected to the brush ABS marriage and to flourish New Zion. Of course, we have them Shake him the hook Hassan and Summertime Summertime fresh new design. So there's much material there understanding the deeper meaning of a wedding and a marriage. It's interesting that I obey him start with they made an effort that marriage. What happened? The month of sulla is the muzzle of this month? The month of L is a special month of appropriate for weddings or the month of kislev in the Deborah's wedding was you doubted kiss live. So let's begin with that since that's the closest US a marriage as we know especially interior in general and especially in cities is about the union of Two Souls. So from the cave a borrower is some God created male and female then he separated them. and essentially a marriage is the reuniting of two halves of a so blog cloud gufa and hence the great simcha not just for the individuals, but for the entire Jewish people for the entire world and indeed for the entire State additional service for the entire Cosmic order because when two souls who were separate separated come back together, it creates a Unity that ripples through all of the cosmos through all of the levels and that is indeed a tremendous Force because Purpose of creation is to take a fragmented world that that is separated and split and sometimes even divisive and turn it into Unity Harmony within diversity. And where else is that best captured than in a marriage? And that's why a sham blesses and God blesses this couple with Fruit of the Loom. Melissa is the blessing of Korea in safe as the my modern that Russia has honored the memory of the discourses that talk about marriage the blessing of being able to create life and not just one life many lives and for generations to come long after even the the couple that bear children Outlast them and it's essentially a Perpetual fruit. Which is okay thanks of the given to the Mortal human being to create something Immortal the power of God himself all because of that unification that connection of male-female the two energies are masculine and feminine that come together that selam aleykum is only complete when you have them both. This is discussed in many of them are more accidents including the my mom. I just referred to and others as well and also the great simple syncopated together that expression actually originates in the - um, The summer said at the rebel shop said that the physical Amber's wedding but a simpler Peters gather mean Joy Pierce's all boundaries bricks all boundaries when you enjoy your in your joyous and you're happy. You don't go by the regular limitations. You just have a certain unbridled force of unbridled passion and energy to just Pierce through everything breakthrough every boundary possible. That's what Joy does to a person to the the human Spirit. He says it in that moment because again the joy of what the joy of this two souls coming together in the language of Sid has oh and malkos. You could zoom Zoe refers to the soccer the masculine and the cable for first. The malkos is the new clip. You could coach a British Clinton is another expression used for it. Where did it all originated? The MCAS is Emma and Taylor by Matt and Tara was the original marriage between Cabrera and screen and classes law between God and the Jewish people. That's the marriage. We're now in a period in the month of L were preparing for the ultimate marriage. Why because the marriage took place initial steps of it took place and Schwarz, but then because they built the golden calf and they never received the first tablets, which was the tsuba the Stark super the marriage contract. So make sure went back up on the mountain to beg for forgiveness to be CGI and finally prevails. When I am Kippur when the second look is so um car cynicism until the mission and tiniest refers to is Yom Kippur. So this is now period that we prepare for marriage which is only accentuates and explains why Elders so much connected to marriage. So when we're celebrating that a marriage of Alabama in addition to the simcha that every couple has we're also talking about Nasim leaders of a generation shama clawless Collective Soul so you can imagine how much more so that simply is it's not just there is it Collective Joy of all of us in the celebration and the power it gives for us to do our yahudim each and our own little fragmented lives to bring together forces and unite them toward the divine. And create that Harmony within diversity and when that's done, so a tremendous Joy tremendous Simcoe. We talked about Mel of basada. The king is in the field. Also, you can allowed that to marriage as well marriage hoop is done outside in the field. I've never seen that but I just came to me as we're speaking now and other references in L that all can accentuate this point. So the lesson and the rest it has applied of it is pretty clear. And with that let us go now to kiss 8C And he said say actually a few questions came in that are talking about some very seemingly puzzling that bizarre laws in this Parsha. So thus it has supplied will do through those through those two laws that are seemed under which is about how do you explain the laws of your Fast Tire and been say dura mater in this week's passion. I'll read the full question Dear Abby Jacobs and thank you for your weekly class. Listening for a few years, but this is my first question as I started on bomb once again recently and I'm going through the Mitzvahs two questions came up that I've always bothered me. This is connected to pressures could say say number one. Why by the midst of your first Tire do we say the concept of debilitated connected yet Sahara? Why not be any other Mitzvah challenge a Jew may have so let me explain the midst of your fast are talking about the laws of your first date. I should say the beginner key. You say it so we know the partial begins can say it's a little coma, Oliveira. Vanessa Torres and welcome. You'll go out to war upon your enemies. And God will give them to you meaning you will win the Shiva Shiva and you will take captive and then it continues it says that if you see some someone season has a desire for Asia's you fast had a woman who's beautiful one of the captives. So the Theta gives a whole bunch of guidelines what you can do. Tell relationship with her. But right there is a freshman what kind of behavior is that? Since when does the trade allows us? Because you want a war. So the has all say and Raschi sites debilitated connected the eight Sahara the tarot speaks. So to speak to the eighth Sahara since the theater knows and recognizes that person will have a V8 Sahara especially in this state. So the tailor said, you know what let's give him a little leniency instead of him doing a Prohibition be giving giving a loud alarm to do it and hopefully come to a point as the The continues that if you'll find it, I will find it abhorrent and find her repulsive and the tail gives guidelines how that can be led. So the question that's asked is a very obvious question. What kind of potato suddenly speaking and so-called placating the HR harder if that's the case the whole Taylor should be doing that and different missions were supposed to hear and even here in one place. What kind of what kind of statement is that that suddenly weirdest we're recognizing the weakness of a person we have many weaknesses, especially in this area. Yeah, that's question. Number one. Then. The Taylor continues is another Dean about been sedated and made it. This is a child who Rebels mutineers against his parents. Why Ben said I made of the second question. Do we say kill him? So yamazaki volume was cave. So the good morning. Sanhedrin is a homosexual whole pay the kin-san hadn't called men seldom Ada based on the verses in this week's chapter that says that he's to be put to death based on obviously a bunch of conditions. And especially the gemara uses then be killed in Emeritus way because all he did write this point is he indulged and gluttonously in wine and meat and so on. But let me put now to death so he should not be put to death when she goes and reaches greater sense again, what kind of question what does that say? Yes, what about shuva maybe could do chuva or may be when he grows up. He will Shape Up. The real question rights. We know that the good mother also says that have been said and made a may never have happened after the gemara says it never happened and never will happen in the future. But if Taylor's telling us about this myth, so I'm sure there's something we can learn from it. I don't know if you have discussed in the past. If you ask can you please let me know where I can find answers. Thank you very much for all your time and all you do for us. Okay, so let's take one at a time. And actually they are connected because as has all say in Russia also brings it that as a result of taking the issues here fast Taya. Then the next Su can talk about the law of taking two wives in one you dislike that that's a result of that and then the birth of a been said and made as a result of of indulging in that tyva even though the data speaks connect the HR and allows it but there are real negative consequences and been say that it made it is one of them as Al D'Amato says and so on. So there's a connection but let's begin with the first question the most obvious question about the apostate what means debilitating connectivity is so hard. So indeed the question of course is not been as the first time here the many commentaries talk about it, but let's begin with the ideas on himself. He's Fair these are and I'm now reading from the quantitative that is our passion. He sets a and this week's passion and time we are mixed with some that result as well as Shanghai Mitzvahs from that is all written by the primatologist of the not right is on Taylor. That's exactly this question and I'll read it the lady potato the connector the it's a harder. So this says that as all say that there's a Hooter the Taylor gave her permission for the person to have a relation with this if I stay here with his Beauty this beautiful woman, well it because the light table to tell Ellen candidates at hotter so they asked that is allows Behemoth Naysha you collect mistress is say because you can't control and Conquer your your negative integers evil inclination yet here. I know it should be permitted. In Kenya, so can become my mistress. That's the case of should be with all the mistress wherever a person cannot control themselves that they too should give him some leniency some license. And this is the result asks I said in the several different places. What is his answer? His answer is interesting lie that we told him welcome Jesus. This is talk about Muhammad sus meaning a war that was not an obligatory work. He says he'll Muhammad Ali versus not obligatory War because that had very different rules and the rules in this posture do not apply to that. Mahama Sue says that is all with Sadiq Imodium or involved only those that were completely righteous people who are not capable of having A desire for any woman. That was not their wife. So they desire that means because they saw the spark the holy spark that's there and that's why the Tater permitted and what means debilitated connected a chakra is talking the taters talking candidates are and not to satisfy the a soda, but this is the war with the 8 so harder for all of us who may have such a challenge. That is it doesn't say that explicitly but the shallow and this chapter and I've been a buck. I do say that explicitly interestingly that ever has a note in when he read made footnotes in the my minute option tests. So there's a footnote from the debe, but then there's an addition to that footnote which is now printed in look at this. It has volume 19 page five or six. We talks about your fast tayyar and sites this case for a diesel and of course the explanation of in Exodus, which Talk about in a moment and says exactly that you're talking about that. It's addicting modem and therefore since they crave for something it means because there's a spark we shall be so she via in that captive a spark that strapped that's relevant to this person who's Desiring it and that's why he takes her in order to be able to elevate that spark. So God forbid that the tail is giving into somebody's date Sahara here. There's no units are involved. We still need to understand what means the pathetic negation of the literal interpretation. I'll get to that in a moment. Then the number continues and speaks that there are two types of Sparks their Sparks that are allowed and permitted places parks that are not permitted places. The difference between a builder Stan our regular refinement or separation and elevation and a bit of an assumption of a test with is involved. Sacona and therefore their you need mysterious nefesh and the devil says that comes from the course of as essence of the Soul. She says now you're faster. You have to say it's a spark that fell in an inappropriate place and short clips that Miss even though it's not exact test that ever says because the Taylor's permitting it. Nevertheless, it's a Nevada through for Coshocton through a desire through a very strong passionate desire that which is refers to a Nevada at Miss A. Nevada is coming from the deepest part of the soul and mrs. Nefesh and even a second you put yourself even in danger, but I is as that I because from this came as Bird born in the settlement said animator, but because the spark was so important to elevate these siddiqa Maureen went for that. And that's where the tail is allowing to elevate it. Now what is he saying? Look what the Tater briefly he talks about you faster in Asia faster that you fast tired is the neshamah as it is in its source and issues. If a state is how the summer comes down the mountain the Schomburg of And the point is that we want to reveal the core of the soul in the soul as it is down here in the body. See if a state according to the according to the altar Deborah is referring to kedusha. But initials that came in a spark a spark of Holiness that came in the wrong place. That's the new code that he says he's besides of Zohar leave us the Coon Isaiah that says that when you go to war And Cutler have you destroyed the car with the notch, which is the spiritual serpent the negative forces? You're giving a gift of butter the Malco part of the Mela the daughter of the king the king. And that's how he explains you fast are some results since they went to war. What was the war the war is as we said it's a war against negative forces negative 8 Sahara. Even though these addiction don't have the answer but the eighth Sahara in general they went to war against negative Force against Citra and they win the war. And yet they're still Sparks that con their Sparks to be redeemed through the war and through the Shiva through the captives. So when they redeem those Parks, that's the fast are they Redeeming the holy Sparks the Divine forces that are embedded in that were taken captive by the enemy. That's how it's explained our big cities in shot. Yep, and the brothers are continues before you get the shot. He continues the actually see this brings us as well. It continues and says How This Bitter happens Out the Devil the quantitative could say this is the second moment. He say it's a look at the tailor talks also about the different steps. We talks about that what you have to do and afterwards is clean clean her garments the nails they hear all this is the Vado boxa Olivia says Let Her Cry for a father and he says that is for a month that A month of L. So it's all connected to this month. It's all preparing that where the Sparks fell into place is negative places. Here is the tightest telling us how we redeem them. That's how it's explained in Premier sauteed in Ziggler Yutaka have a challenge why the tail is suddenly allowing and giving permission here. And that is a question. The thing you could say is why here because it could be during war. This is I haven't seen in the commentaries, but I'm almost I'm almost sure it does say it. There can be an arousal of more passions are hormones and so on. So the tailor recognizing human nature instead of putting a person touch from indigenous Ian during war creates a little loophole. But with intention that a person should not necessarily grab it and not and because it says there in if you don't desire her what you have to do and then do things that actually come to a point where you don't want to have her. But I'm pretty excited telling me that Barry's billion in the first era comes into a whole city becomes a whole subject matter of how he elevates parks. So that's the point regarding your fast tail. Yeah, now let's move to been stated and made then say to the made which is completely bizarre if you go to the details, so we're talking about a boy says the been a child a son son a daughter a son and it has to be all kinds of conditions that are written in pay to ship exam and even more intelligible pair that arrived and learning it out of the versus. So first of all, let's talk about this the whole band say that I made is only possible three months from the time. That he becomes is all becoming an adolescent until three months later after that. No matter how he behaves all these laws don't apply before that. They also don't apply because he's not going to admit service is a cotton. So these three months in these three months itself. The behavior has to be so important. Well, I wouldn't say so important but it's almost impossible. When you look at the conditions the wind he has to drink the media's deed the father and mother both have to agree that this is a problem. Then it goes on further and says the father mother even after be the similar voice they have to be alike. And here's where the good motto says the famous statement that what does it mean to be a like it's not natural to the husband and wife are not alike in so many ways. So says, this is like Disturbia Huda that holds the taste after that's been said animated to use the Russian is the gemara. This is good medicine had earned a final of the morale of the mishnah that says I've been saving made a Loya never happened velocity is a never will happen. Then I'll be honest is says that he actually was by a gravy sat on a grave. So whole discussion of what that means of a been said in America, but commentaries ultimately say even that is not really a contradiction because that actual been said and made before their medrash and huzzah also site of Solomon's being an example of Shah aalam because David lamellar was with like a your fast tired. Therefore came up and said animator came off solemn came out of that and he rebelled against over the melek and ended up being a killer and a murderer and causing a lot of trouble. But the consensus is that that's not necessarily a complete been stated made. Its I'll dedicate been saving me. So this makes it even more strange besides the fact that the conditions can be met. Think about it says Buffet to should never happen never will happen. So then why is it Tater busy with such a thing altogether? What is it coming to tell us? So the guima dancers me says it was a wasn't a the says so says boy Bruce Lee Campbell Scott to study in order to receive reward for studying Taylor. There's many ways that a deal could have added stated for us to study Teta the fact that it tells us all these details. It has to be more to the story and though the commentaries talked about this as well. So let's talk about one of the lessons from and say that I made it. And finally, I should say before you get to the lessons. Let me just say this what I mentioned earlier that the Komodo later says that that that's the question what just because he drank wine was gluttonous didn't do any crime like murder yet or any of that nature so you so you go and kill him. So then what it says, you're not killing it for now you killing him for the future. I lost them what's going to happen later. The trade is predicting that a person like that a child like that will later become rebellious against parents and then become a thief and Ultimately a murderer. So you killing him now which again begs so many questions that what happens if he does chuva do we judge people on the future and so on so clearly there's more going on here. So in the Messiah and the gemara and the clearer your car on the verse they both talked about. This is a lesson. He know that the tail is coming to teach us the importance of educating our children not to allow them to come to a place that can get worse and that ever has a beautiful. Beautiful lessons. I thought I looked around access to this. I could not find anything. I've been saying to me that see this found in Kabbalah. There is that is out in the same passion keysight's I mentioned before but in a Seedling parsis case of a tough shell Ahmad chemo the rebels speaks about it. And he says the following he says what do we learn from? The better than Satan made it because parents could argue. You know, what do I have to now put so much emphasis on educating my child at this young age. Wait till the child gets older. Meanwhile, you can spoil the child and so on that's what the Bible says. So we learn from this been said to me that I know that's not the case education has to begin right away because you don't know what can happen and the meaning they even though the devil does decide to come on in son Hayden, but he's basically learning a lesson. I'll say my ocid what this coming to teach us that you have to think about the future you don't think about right now. So now you have to do everything possible not just for the physical well-being of a child but also for the spiritual well-being of a child. And that wait till later because every child needs discipline needs education. And that's what ETA is that's where the tailored of The Illuminating Tate illuminates for us through been say to the made of that importance. Because if you don't do something now later will become worse and ultimately defy and rebel and who knows what can happen. God forbid. So the rebel continues but the parents can say of some o'clock fade. They create a model parents cubed of em is a great Mitzvah, but you know what? I'm all for going it I'm allowed to forgive. Debbie says nothing. The been said to me is not just going to attack his short parents. You want to forgive you forgive that's also not appropriate but it's ultimately going to attack others. He's ultimately become much worse than affect others. Then the lever continues and says there's long name that come in argue that the submissive animatedly. However, they needed at the expression. Like however less us Italy is that it never happened. So then what are we worried about? Why are we worried about sediment and never happened? So that was says you don't need that. I you from Tanaka receiver pale, but because God forbid what happens to children when you give them your spoil them you see what problems that can come out of it. Now again, the rib, everything is big deal. This sounds like he's also alluding to The Dazzle of Unison that says that I did see a been said in a made in other words, even though taka in reality. There's no such thing that will happen but the conceptual possibility and here he saw something or something similar to that tells us how much we have to be careful in Reno. And that has to begin immediately. If you pour the points, I want to add this interesting thing when looking into the whole thing that ever then continued in this stickers bit later printed. The rest of it is edited. It's printed in Volume 14 page 262 and 263. We talks very strongly when it came out that summer about him nor education of children. The people in the Yankee is Saturdays from the mouths of babes. You found or used Toyota has because Ava mr. Narkom to eliminate every enemy and an Later, when the Kippur War broke out that year in keeping after that summer that Evan the sukkah sequence after the war broke out said neither of Allah Adam and Eve and himself prophesized and did not know what he was prophesizing something pushed me that episode to talk about the killing of children. In order to prevent enemies and upfront attacks. So the Seeker was very much connected to that. So here you have a lesson been said in a made it in our lives and you can understand why the Taylor says the Rays of a compass car. You learned it and Compass Card not just got for learning but also learning the lesson that parents learn out of this as the mushroom declare Yorkers say I want to add one very fascinating Zayed as well on this topic Zane embolic that could say things Ian. I'm a days 197 be tells us a very interesting story about the say that would make sure heard from Neighbors to saying been said in a made of the denim of this rebellious child. So just I'll just give you the brief of it. I'm gonna bother the Malaysia said he was very surprised. He says today buster. God Almighty, is it possible that there's a father that will behave this way with his child with the son? Because moisture so with his wisdom, there's a says that this is referring to that beneath Acadia slow the children of Hashem. How they would behave and how I would happen later to them. God forbid all the punishments. They would receive that they were through their Rebellion. Shame response to leave this alone Shem system Asia. I see what you're saying. But you write this and receive reward for writing it just like your yes, you're trying to find a merit in them. But you receiving reward for writing it even when there's no merit because what will happen as the commentary zones are explained to make the smella as well as the Atacama. Since you know, but I know more than you know. What you see I have the responsibility to actually perform. So the races are cost of learned is positive and forget about its deeper meaning than the zero continues that the Malik comes you feel sad at 8 and tells me should have been you that from this verse we derive as that Hashem is the is the parent and the child is hidden and he goes on to say what will happen then is that the parent will not be able to be harsh with the child. So bring them to Zeke night you two. Which is also goes on God and the end of the day because the parents are subjective. They can't pass judgment on the child. So God will have to pass judgment. And then what will happen is says verilog more they will Stone him that's where the success he refers to ignore Sera says referring to the goyim thus Aeneas throw some you think I'm dumb who would kill you instead of the Jews throughout the generations by through Stone. They would Stone them. They build walls. They do all kinds of things to punish. The Jews But Here Comes the end. This is the end stand as a happy ending and nevertheless. They will not be able to overcome and destroy the Jewish people. When moisture heard that that can destroy the Jewish people that's when he began to write this passion. That's desire in the commentaries and Zion interestingly the smell of brings that the Malik told me. She robbed a new that is that the pasta is not talking about the Eden ultimately will be should shift who I must say I let's involve on him. Stable stable releases wrath on the base on big dish that is talk about the destruction of the based on meters. Anyway, it's a lot of details on this. I just wanted to bring it because I thought it was very interesting and very happy to sight in this whole context. I think that covers it and of course we have the lessons now in education and we have the lesson the first lesson you fast here. So this went longer than usual but it is a topic that is a very controversial topic. That's why I decided I'll talk about it some more then than usual okay with that. Let us move now to continue. Questions for this week's. So here we go. What method should be used to discipline young students that was not even planned but it seems to go very slow from where we are. Hi, Roberta Jacobson. I'm on my G Economist Fifth and sometimes I need to use some Vora which is some good it means strength or authority or to discipline Baccarin students that misbehave sometimes however, I have a hard time to fit in figuring out the exact method. I should be using giving money cannot see meaning giving money punishments. They should pay does help. Does help temporary but sometimes when I feel bad taking money from students that don't have an addition to it causing them resentment making them. Learn Tanya. Our mission is by heart just causes them to start disliking those topics. What would you suggest using? Thanks so much for all your effort. I really gained from your weekly classes. So first I spoke about this in episodes two and three and fifty two. So if you go to the city supply.com, you can find references to all the previous episodes as well as the archives as well as there. You can submit your question completely anonymously briefly. We have directives about this from the web and from all the debate. But especially from the Deb in general speaking the Illuminator. Do you mean by cadavers or smell data you use the strong arm to bring clothes and even if you have to discipline has to be with the weaker arm discipline is never an end in itself the shaft or a David silhouetted you judge the nation in order to preserve that so it's necessary because it's part of the process of this. The plan an education we learned talked before about education but never as an end in itself. So the first thing we need to do is psychologically the mindset has to be you're not coming to punish you coming to educate you coming to inspire your coming to empower people not demoralize them. It's a keyword not demoralize them. So sometimes you need to work. Now how do you do that? You can do it through grounding. You can do it through there whether there's a reward for other students a trip there ways to make them send the message home that a person did something of course everything everything commensurate to what they did. I not here to come up with ideas how to discipline. I'm not talking about more the attitude to it the never once mentioned more than once mentioned that today. We don't use a stick. Even though it says shave it is that the shave with Moosa meaning that if you if you withhold the rod you're actually hating your child. So that ever says today is showing the rod showing them is enough enough prevent the prevent so we don't use aggressive means like that today. It's not the time to get into the discussion. Why and how was it? Why was it different in the past? Whether it was actually different that cetera. So the point is discipline should never be in a way that is demoralizing. You're actually Actually, right there's resentment and there is there stop liking what they're doing. Now, obviously every punishment every type of discipline is going to be some resentment but there has to come always with love and there's ways to do that when you communicate that we're going to because of what happened. Here's here's a privately and not know humiliating way. Here's what we're going to have to do. This is the consequences to teach the lesson, but you should know it's coming from a loving place. It's not coming from a vindictive place. It's not coming from anger and that's the responsibility of the teacher or the parents. Make sure that shouldn't be any tinge of anger. It's not personal. You're not getting even it's not about you. It's about what's best for the child. And sometimes you need to have a strong way to make that send that message across. Okay, let's go to the next question. Displaying photos of women is the titled. So here's a short question. What is the obligation of a kibbutz? I'm sorry. Is it appropriate to publish pictures of women in our Publications and websites? Okay. So this is a topic. Of course that has come up quite a few times a rabbi Jacobsen. Can we get this clarify once and for all why is this so much reticence and discouragement of displaying photos photos of women and habad Publications websites and a karate Publications in general. Of course, we are not talking about photos that are knots need to know her husband Shawn God forbid, but why is there an issue with displaying photos of from position snow? They can women modest women who are sluggish Robinson's and Cassidy's Are we trying to say that no matter how hard a woman tries to dress but sneers modestly we she will always be considered distasteful and loot so much so that she cannot appear in a material Market at the front position families. I just don't get it. This sends a terrible message to young girls and boys that also bothers me that certain media promoted towards Young from children feature. No grown women how exactly are they supposed to have from female role models of they can't even look at that. I don't understand how this unfortunate phenomenon lines aligns with siddim. Worldwide proudly displaying photos of the habad Robertson's in their homes. Also, I recall that in the late 80s early 90s that ever sanctioned for two books to be published featuring the photos of all the families of the Slocum around the world the faces of the shlokas the proud wives and mothers who live with mysterious nefesh every day were displayed prominently and never edited out. God forbid. Why don't we apply that standard today? Why have we become so cruel by denying the incredible Notions that can use righteous woman a platform to Simply acknowledge that they exist as equal partners. And she goes why have we fallen so low and what can we do to fix this problem as soon as possible many thanks for your level-headed commentary on so many important issues called Truth. Okay, so firstly as you know, this is not a platform for halacha decisions. And only thing I'm going to say here is with a great qualification that this should be asked to your local role of the number one the laws of modesty and sneeze in general besides obviously things that are Universal and Is that a very clear-cut sometimes is relative to a community what their standards are and so on. So this is included if for example in a community for some reason this is the standard there's no photos made no photos published. So most I drove in that Community our the whoever those people are the target audiences will probably uphold that. And that's not because there's something wrong with the women talking about how lock of it the Tater has called for the tail of you on it because that's the standard. This is based on a modern Sanhedrin that talks about the picture of a woman. However, there are communities where the standard is not quite that stringent. In addition to the fact. Yes, like you just mentioned this is this a flash leases with the rebel now is sanction was the one that encouraged and pushed and there's pictures with our families men women and their children. We also have the pictures of that evidence. And then I've actually has a letter to one of the Bonham who wrote to the Deb. How could you print that picture of the debits the good models the gemara that I just cited that night. You're not supposed to look at a woman even in a published form and that I've actually reduces that whole good mother and says all the details of the gemara don't apply when it's talking about that. It could be mated you to shamim and bring you to some I am and so on not going to go through all the details. I believe I may have spoken about it. Once if not, if anybody wants that answer it's available actually delivers handwriting on this row of squares. I can speak also from personal experience when my father after that Ambersons passing in table based vat of cement has published the Robertsons pictures in the newspaper. So there's allgemeinen not necessarily applicable only for creating this was paper, but he published it. There are people who have tightness and they have actually thank my father for doing it. I'm not saying that's proof that nay in a journal or something that's going after the from only from Eden has to be done, but it's just interesting to point out. Now you'll see annotated Journal they don't print pictures all together, but not a Tojo almost like they would not print the picture of women. So there are different standards. You have to know who you're dealing with who's the target audience? What's the standard of the community? And there is no real black and white answer. It could be explained. Remember the laws of modesty are not always the one that we make sense to us, even though it makes sense. It's not about in any way God forbid belittling or in any way demoralizing women. That's not the goal even those that would stand by and say better not print the picture but the bottom line is that there's different standards and that's how it has to be addressed. So I have Nothing. I'm going to give one ruling because no drove in the world can give one ruling for every situation. That is the general answer to this question. Okay, but I want to again emphasize most importantly that in any situation. There are unfortunately people who youths Aeneas in a negative way who use it as a stick and abuse people in the name of it. And yes do demoralize and do you Millie eight others that was never the laws the laws of sneeze about dignity could the bus smell of ponemah the Dignity of a woman is internal and that's why woman does not have a public role and so on in the most prominent way they have their public role in the right proper setting. And other laws that applies dignity. It's not about shame or shaming that's critical to know and indeed based on the standards that regarding the actual publishing are not publishing of women's pictures in different magazines or Publications or online. But clearly it's not a black-and-white know that a black and white. Yes, that's the main point here. Okay, I want to go back to one thing. I just neglected even though I spoke at length about Ben Ben say that Armada interesting in my goal is saying this is from LeBron. Magali Sunday Gomorrah in some Heaven. He brings several things about what means something is deranged Cabos card means learning the Cobble Scott it even though the actual television it's not let's add the hot water itself nevertheless. He says clearly from several sources including the shallow and others than safe exceeding that there are lessons real lessons to be learned. It's not just about Only more Teta so that just reinforces the point that there's lessons to be learned from this actual passion, but also bring something interesting from the safer a kind. This is by the brother of the morale. Hey Li ke Kula be sure safe pay the cake. He says that when I mentioned before from Isaiah that children are called Israel is called he's been a slow Accord bunim. Welcome children havisham. So when the gemara says lay, uh sadly as they won't be a been saved in the future because Satan and may that was only possible for three months three months as we said from the gemara only three months from the time we brings two sides to here's until a certain stage. She says the three months out from the three months and it's easements and to Matt and Tara. So that's where only then would apply it. Just thought it was an interesting thought. Okay. Let's go back now to the next question. next question my friends What does that plication of Ichabod school to the children in their area and an extension of that question is when the combat school is full of we have no other valuable up viable option. Can we lower our standards of conduct by sending our children to another day school? What? Okay, what does obligation of a kabocha say that the children their area where our parents opposed to send their children that are in kindergarten plus the school only fader and the only from school in the surrounding areas full quote unquote. Is it acceptable to lower our standards are hidden by saying two different types of day schools if we have no other viable option just rewarding it based on the way the right array so firstly I have episode 69 223 and 258 are vital. Because I discussed it in more link then. Okay, it's very clear from the devil that a Bocephus what he says very sharply that the school is not the parents of the children are not made to fill up a school. The school is made to serve children. There were talks about this haole more tuition and other issues at Hader especially ahead habad the ruach spirit of the Rebellion is there to serve every child in the area and if you need to expand the school you expand the school and you need to raise more money you raise more money. That's the bottom line. Obviously, there are there are there has to be some rational planning but nevertheless that has to be the commitment. Unfortunately, and I'm as not criticizing anyone individually, there are schools that have become run more like a business and based all vote on the financial side. And also who we take in and so on. So therefore the problems in that area each case has to be addressed properly by that abandonment that community and if you have an issue in your community with a school that is your opinion not and again has to be remember your opinion may also not be correct. But it let's say you do have an opinion you go to the right way not an argumentative way and not in a argument of way and not endemic Lakers way. God forbid but in a peaceful way to two people leaders in the community or abundant and see what is going on in the school the Cool indeed is claiming this not taking people in for whatever reason. If there really is no other option for whatever reason let's say the schools even incorrect you have to do what you have to do to get your children an education so I wouldn't look at it that has got a couple has real culprit is if it has to be in that area then maybe you have to go to a different school. I wouldn't call it a necessary compromising because you can complement it with tutoring or with your influences of parents at home. There are many solutions. There's also online learning and there's also at some point sending children to another Community I know parents load. In that but there's a lot of options when you look at something. So then the death parents you're responsible for the education of your children. If the school is not doing what they should be doing then try your best to deal with that. But if you but if you can't do anything they still have to deal with your children. Now as far as the school's go those that have influence in the schools. We have to know what our responsibility is as I spelled out. That's a general response to this next question. How does one find balance between all the expectations Cadence to this has of us and being at peace and happy with oneself spelled out there Rabbi? How can one balance between all of the expectations Tater specifically tailor succeed? This has of us expectations that ever has of each one of us to always do more with this perspective. I always feel that I'm lacking that I'm not doing my best. There's always something more I can do always something I can fix. Meanwhile Taylor also tells Us to constantly be happy. To have simple joy with life with knowing that all is but Hashem. All is God who is the ultimate good the ultimate Justice the ultimate love how does one balance constantly being happy with the Spurs with this perspective and simultaneously knowing that I'm not that I'm not perfect feeling that feeling that because of my laziness at times my overindulgence at times. My anger at times my jealousy at times I prevent the world from being a better place. How am I expected to remain happy, please share your wisdom. I'd love Find the balance. So let me refer you firstly to episodes 1 28 to 27 and 230 where similar subjects were addressed. It's an excellent question. And I think it's vital to begin with something very important in general General introduction and that is Very often many questions that we have including this one. Sometimes they are based on a premise that needs to be corrected. The premise is that we go by the standards that we apply to each other human standards, you know, you're not lived up to my expectations parents sometimes send that message to children. We send that message to each other and sometimes gets Petty and sometimes it's based on pure floors of human beings and our own insecurities. When Taylor expects things of us as this expects things almost ended up paying it's coming from a healthy place. It's not coming from any psychological phobia or because I need to shine. So I need you to make me look good. It's none of that. It's not coming from guilt. And any unhealthy Neurosis a Neurosis or phobias. It's coming from a place that God created the human being and saying I created with tremendous resources. You're creating a Divine image. You have the ability to achieve things far beyond. Dreams and I'm giving you now the tools the resources and the directives not only is obligations as a gift to live up to your greatest potential. It's all coming from a beautiful vote of confidence and love not to create expectations and later say oh, you know, we can do it or God getting even a cc and proving to you that you're weak. God forbid. There's a famous expression from the method where a sump system is a number vodka shall laugh occasionally moisture says - mm. How could you expect? This from that how could they do it? So God says a number vodka schluufy Cathy. I never asked commensurate to my power. I'm not asking on my terms my I'm asking you any vodka shall defeat Kasey Kahne. I'm only asking them as and asking them to achieve what they can do with their power as they're ever mentions often different times. He says would be as odious would be cruel to give someone a job knowing he can't accompany your she can accomplish it. So it's a gift when you go with that attitude. Good, then, you know it's a gift and you do your best expectations are not met them demoralized your mate make you feel guilty or make you feel down that's actually made to make you feel happy that look of God himself vote of confidence in you and every morning renews that that vote of confidence renews your contract. Now you do your best you do your best possible and your hope and pray that that which I couldn't do you ask God, please help me more so because water can easily and that's the attitude when you take that attitude that's holding this whole approach which is so far. So unhealthy called fear and guilt driven education teaching people how bad you are look how little you accomplished you're lazy. You're not accomplishing. That's not the language that should be spoken to a person you want to motivate and say you look how much potential you have and look how sad is you're not feeling living up to your potential. So that comes with joy and their motivation as out there besides in tiny anything that demoralizes come from the eight Sahara. Even if it's dressed up in garments that you're worthless because look you haven't accomplished anything. It has to come from an empowering Place believing in us and that's how you create this balance knowing that okay next question. Can we understand the dilemmas we have in life as part of man's need to toil in this world. The writer writes the words of the Prosecco them lomell your wallet Man was created. The human being was created to toil Amo is this referred only to hard physical work with a body and hands Etc or as well with the nefesh with a spirit. If you find yourself in a situation of dilemma of a mental health issue, for example, are you supposed to look at it and say it is what it is comes from a feminist part of You're need to deal with it as part of other Milan millivolt. So firstly let me refer you to episodes for and 178 again overlapping themes and the answer is firstly the good motto says Elmo will type of ammo so it's almost a locker the toil of actual work and labor. There's the toilet labor of almost see her speaking which is Dominique prayer and there's almost hated the aghia the effort we put in learning Teta she see right away. It's not just purely physical hard labor. Is the strength of the strenuous work in the and investment the rigorous work of both in prayer and and learning tail? That's number one as far as the statement that challenges in life. Let's say mental health. Is it coming for us to be able to fulfill the struggle? I would not say that the case if anything when there's dilemmas in life, you can say it's an order to bring out deeper strength you have and the only way to bring them out and by giving you this dilemma. But not there's no end in itself of them low me of Allah is not normal is not an end in itself. It's a important thing for us to contribute for us to evade the bouquet of hats May our effort. Our initiate are initiating our effort and our investment are being proactive effort initiating is necessary in Nevada. But it's not just to make a person work hard even though yes, when we work hard we produce we become creators. So the way I would word is not that the challenges in life or there's mental health issues or others is in order to fulfill our part of struggling. It's in order to bring out the best in us and that comes with a struggle just to mention that ever is a beautiful Vartan the Isaiah says and moist. I'll tell Robin Ted are brings it the same inaudible Venom that their Ministry made the Jews work hard labor became a bricks-and-mortar says there's a harbor a medical Bahama will Venom delivered Kramer comes to the Culver Hamer cover Hamer is a way of a method of learning Ted. Do you take from a more lenient case? You learn on a more severe case College payment and lowly the Venom, which is mortar. Lovin is from the word liberal herself. Crystallizing halacha asked a very simple question. It was just time I play of words. Ramela Venom is bricks and mortar just because it's famous sounds like cover Kramer and here's sounds like the Venom Liberty. Elsa never says no every person has to toil in their lives. We have a choice. Is it going to be hard labor like physical bricks and mortar or you going to choose the strain and their strenuous work and learning Teta exertion and Tara Gigi about Tara in David Heyman and live in his office. Okay, and that accomplishes much and tough salamat base in this year that ever turn 70 in the city of your dolphin listen later printing a helices waffle. Aha Vol 15 look at the circus and the letter of you lawlessness in that year of the top salamat base 1972 tremendous lesson about Aveda the work of a person of the moment. You vote to become a Creator. That's the point God wants us to not just be takers but to be givers not just to receive but to initiate and create, okay. With that we have follow-up. So let's do the follow-up. Few follow-ups. First of all regarding the debit and Gifts in the car. We spoke about the Deb and gifts last week about the story with the number rejected the new car that was given to him. So someone who is their witness eyewitness says, I remember the incident with the car the ballroom knew about the new car the students the bottom. You see even some suddenly knew about the new car and there was a crowd outside watching how the devil would react the first time he saw it. I think there are two issues this person writes and one but one there was a big crowd watching number two. It was a personal gift for the represents all of the gifts. For example, the painting the paintings that have received went to the library. It wasn't for the lepers personally use continuing that's lucky enough answer some of you on the specifics imitator. Okay, all the best very good points and thank you for that to fill in more details on that chapter another person writes the rabbit Jacobs and I really appreciate in value your weekly class. I was surprised that when discussing the rubber band It's you did not mention the story of the silver Hanukkah menorah the represented back or refuse to do to being it being too ostentatious. And I've also mentioned something to the effect that he has since been struggling financially and he's going to light a big silver mineta when I just when I saw the story of the car, I figured it was in the same vein if they're ever had a set of wheels that work. Why should he get a new car? Especially when you have so many excited in that struggle as cetera. Thank you again. Okay, good. Thank you for those comments. And this is exactly what I love so much about this program is the interaction anybody has additional comments or anything that we missed something you'd like to add. Please send it and we will share it. Another follow-up was about older singles after hearing this week's broadcast meeting last week two 2 episode 2 75. I felt compelled to add a comment. There was a question from an older single person who felt that he was treated as worthless. He or she by the Jewish Community worthless by the Jewish Community my husband and I both were both considered older singles quote on quote when we married in our 30s, so I thought that perhaps I may be able to offer Device to this person number one, please consider moving to a different Community. If you feel that the majority of people in your community have such a callous attitude towards you it does not have to be that way. I lived in several different communities while single with very different added with attitudes toward me and one Community. I was more or less ignored by married ladies except for the occasional invitation for a meal and could only be friends with a few other single women in the community and another Community. I was accepted and embraced by many married families and many Matt had many married. Friends and was actively involved in the community part of it. I think is certainly due to the mid this of the people meaning their personality or characteristics in each community and part of it is likely due to the fact that in a smaller Community such as the second one. Everyone is needed. Number two make a point of note be known for your unique talents and contributions to the community. If people only see you as an older single try to take pains to show who you are as a person and how you can contribute to the community. I taught a class in the girls high school on my day off from work volunteer in the cover. Kadisha learned humans were so new needed help with Hebrew and generally try to help out my neighbors as much as I could and number three don't give the impression that you are waiting for your life to start. Build a life based on what you have. Now, what on what you have now, but as recession with God's help you'll soon be married and you and your spouse will need to figure out how to combine your lives. But that's part of marrying at a somewhat older age and really nothing to be afraid of thank you very much. Very credible coming from someone who's been through it. I will just say I mean that vices move out of community not everyone obviously can do that. So there has to be taken Case by case, but the points are all well taken and I just want to add that. Marrying anybody at any age is always going to be a work not just older age just be aware of that one file footnotes as a follow-up someone wrote to me. I told the story of the rebbetzin and the chocolate with revelation of tell all of our solemn. I heard the shaft in podcast. That was last week 275 the story about the rebels in the truck. Then you said about rabbit devil and I always thought it was with a kirari who's traveling to South Africa. So the story can be confirmed with Rob a winner who's related and further. I think it's in a gem. I don't think the story happened twice. I heard it from a by tell himself all of our solemn before he passed away. I think just a few months before he passed away. He told it to me in detail. So I heard it firsthand if it happened with someone else by all means but that can be checked. I usually don't read names but because the names here irrelevant, I don't think it's anything confidential if someone does have more information on this please share. Okay. Let's now go to the city's question. 10 hidden spheres SSV this hug musics is an expression. What are the 10 hidden spheres that SS feeders Hagan Uzis? Where are they located in the scheme of things in the cosmic picture and what is their function and application to our lives or in our lives? Okay. And their relevance to our lives. Okay, let's begin with their Funk what it is and its function and then we'll talk about the levels. So it's a big soggy. We know there's s is fearless. This is fearless. I actually spoke about in episode 79 What is the purpose of this fetus is God did not need anything to create existence. Poofy could say I want the world to be here and that's it. But he wanted to be as a therapist says that some exotic sights to be a piece a cold as he created a circle as we know it should be logical not just logic purposes, but also for us to understand it so we can have a relationship with God we can understand what God did and we can relate them become partners with God in creation and doing our work. So to do so you have a whole say the distortions say the Stars was literally means an order a cosmic order. Sometimes it's called a stylist actually is a series of evolution of steps. He still shows like from the workshops Alice a chain a chain of events. Cosmic event spiritual that lead from the highest levels of ain't safe of the Divine Infinite Energy itself all the way to existence as we know it how does such a leap take place from alter infinite to the finite. So these are will call them stepping stones in stepping stones are all the levels and the world within each of these worlds. There's a thing called spheeris sphere is comes from the word counting's support, Miss Pearl. Comes from the word sip or telling a story and also considered sappy Evan supper like the sapphire stone that illuminates also from the world safer that's of the repechage talks about it at length in I'm bass volume 1 taken from my modern of the altered a bit some exotic Beauty has a high sudden other places, okay. So sphere this serve as we'll call them Divine attributes now guys, we know love even if this little claw, he's Beyond any medicine any personality any characteristics and yet he chose to manifest in particular attributes and they're called 10 attributes from Hama through Marcus. These are called the SS fields from that will be honest also will evolve lower levels of these attributes. Until they finally becoming they evolved into the 10th faculties of the human being should install Salama Hannah's Delta B says and Tonya that evolved from the 10 Divine attributes, but like the famous Mark lake is between the rambam and the morale that I mom says warm a dewy they will you do it. He is the knowledge and he's the nor and he's the know you know that Says the morale but he's Beyond knowledge is beyond any form of attribute Exodus answers out that Evan are gone. Tiny painting Bays. And pay the chemo and painting base and other places that in later and Tanya and pedicure the mems and also schaeffler group a leak tests pavement has in Lakota modem that what that according to according to the Kabbalah Saudis are it's even miss after the symptom neighbors to manifest. In these attributes, so that's the tenth spheres. So tense fears think of it this way, but in a simple language, the title says that we should emulate God's ways are locked up in the rough. Follow his ways. Ma who can own a father can just like God is compassionate. We should be compassionate just like he's kind we should be kind Moroccan avatara. But God's compassion are compassionate completely God is the creator with the creation. That's the Spheres that when we can relate to the concept of compassion that we take our compassion and we align it to the compassion of our Shem the Spheres then are serving their purpose of being an interface and interface both and how the world is and how our compassion Created but also how we emulate compassion going back Nevada and aligning this existence to the 10 spheres which are really saw how cool they are. Basically Gods tools and God's channels. There's opinions in Kampala what distance fears whether they were there. It is Shruti - Mercy on him whether they have shape and form whether they're just God's attributes whether the judge God's tools or they actually attributes his not the place to go into it, even though it's related, but then there's the 10 hidden spheres the 10 hidden spheres is coming to add another dimension because you can say then that you're connecting to the Spheres, but you're not connecting to the Divine Essence. So says no these fears are rooted in the highest place. Where were there we can only refer to them as hidden spheres why they hidden because they're not revealed yet. They don't have substance yet. They're different explanations, which will speak about in a moment and what they are but it's the main bottom line is that the point of this is a mousse is to create the relationship between our Hesed not just the custard about Silas roosters called SS from the 10th spheres that are revealed not just our Hoffman when we learn Taylor to God's Kaufman in that Silas, but also to the 10 hidden Meaning more even higher than the Divine structure of our Tillis. So we connecting to that Which is higher than that cells. So that's their role and that's their function. It's showing us that we are relating not just to the even a chooses a great high level Delta debit trembled when he even said the word I syllabus but it goes even deeper and deep. The question is then is where are these SS Phyllis? How can Jesus where are they located exactly? So the my modern talk about this in a number of places. I'll just give you quickly the Miami Camus and maybe a blue part 2 next week and elaborate more on the details of it. So briefly. Is discussed that in some places I'm going from the bottom up. Sometimes it's some some my modern. It's called the ten spheres of attic or attic and that's a beard and we're also big dick a dish in a deterrence. It's Ava Paige 1622 Another my modem of the altar debit, the my murder of Edgar Taylor. I'm sorry interior area. He says it's a tense fears of our could him and there he says in where's this broad? This is the beard of Oldham high on me. I'm sorry for all of high energy. And that is my sister her 182 a and mine but I've been from the let my - tough Islamic base tough Islam involve. I'm sorry chapter 64 sites exactly. The development server says that according to that is a land just brought. It's either attic and added or academe and he says a combo proven they're all consistent because bottom line they're higher than that Zyliss because that's the whole point of the tenant is fears to say that the sphere is are rooted not just in a syllabus but even Are in this place which is called an soft compared Titleist. You find this also in the dirt in my model of the some exotic. I'm just giving you a few sources are Italian yawning page 140 that he says I heard from the alte debe at times that is the 10 spheres of attic erotic and at times of I could they're also page 27 page 330. This is the Drew scheme of shit as the famous dish of GMOs sheets. and edit a Turkish military command my opponent upon Him Charlotte the end of page 43 says 10 spheres of our could him which in the lotion of Paths of the game is called the 10 hidden spheres like he says and Taylor are that I just mentioned In Somerville of he says attic or a condom and I am bass Volume 2 page 968 the my member five tough flash Ina Hector ack Adam kadmon erotic. But then we also have that it's also an alien stuff. We know ssds and Muses most people their knee jerk reaction. Say one second all this is after the symptom. What about the ten hit in the series before the truth? So this will leave that part to I want to talk about that next week and go into the details of this because of time limits so wait, so I look forward to part two on this topic of the 10 hidden spheres. Let's go now to the essays. So we do three essays every week of this contest of 2019. We're now in the 50 60 top essays as we move along. So SN number one in Hebrew benneteau slim. Who's To the mistake and the essence Zushi. Kraszewski 816 car habad Israel student attempted million above it a lot. So he begins with a famous story of the cost and the time that I marash used to dress like a like a corset and then and by working with changes garmin's any decided that it's being a hypocrite so they decided to go the other way around and remember - asked him. Why are you dressing regular garments on Shabbos? Like week they got no water carpet and so on. This is Claire want to be a hypocrite and that's who I really am. The examiner said I really I always thought the real you is the one you dress here, and that's not the real you. She goes on to speak me. Oniy. Who is the real you who's the real us and quoting secular different psychological perspectives on this and then talking about the tuna Fosters the two souls in a person. And how we come to really understand these two forces and ultimately have the choice to determine who the real you will be and then how to implement it in action. I like this S8. Very good essay can be found at City supply.com. As well as if you subscribe to our weekly newsletters, we will send them to you as they come as they're posted as we publish them essay. Number two is considered mindfulness a purposeful Tranquility van leeuwen age 45 Dallas, Texas job the Mayan hi Foundation, the rabbi Hasidic mindfulness mindfulness is a very popular fashionable term today. And this is a Hasidic version. I found this essay to be a tremendous contribution to this topic. And I want to talk to the judges why this essay didn't get a higher Mark but I never overrule but I found this essay to be extremely important for our times these days the struggle to arouse motivation and concentration is compounded by constant distractions at every turn. We have electrical electronic enticements paradoxically along with enhanced quality of life and technological advances people unknowingly add to their stress levels by absorbing huge amounts of information from the outside world and take on more and more commitments. So mindfulness practices have come to deal with this. He says this essay is going to deal with the Pacific mindfulness Tranquility within creation finding Tranquility even amidst the rich at rush hour of Creation with practical steps. And what's in this actually ask ads to other techniques maximizing the moment very very well done. It's very solid essay and great contribution to this topic anyone involved in mindfulness. Well worth reading. Well, very important essay to read in that context and finally essay number three. Give me children or I shall die quote unquote specific approaches to confronting the grief of infertility. Sasha Belle of ski age 30, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania The job is speech language pathologist Upper Darby School District, very courageous to take on such a topic another important important essay. One of the greatest joys in life is to hold your child in your arms it what do we do when God with holes that Joy from us? Those aren't the talk about the the the how to deal with this great grief and pain the gift of pain coming in terms with God's love for us. What do I do with myself fighting powerlessness with Mitzvahs using different ideas from siddhis. What do I have left to give discovering your influence and expertise extremely important essay as well. Very very good essay. And there we go, three essays for this week my life because it has supplied episode 276 where every Sunday from 8 to 9:00 p.m. And everyone should have a very blessed Creator shell as we count down and prepare for the great new year of tough shinpei. There's month of L. And as I said, we're here every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. Everyone be blessed and thank you so much.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS: • Chassidus Applied to 13 Elul and Ki Teitzei 0:55 • How do you explain the laws of yefas to’ar and ben sorer u’moreh in this week’s parsha? 06:52 • What methods should be used to discipline young students? 30:55 • Is it appropriate to publish pictures of women in our publications and websites? 34:33 • What is the obligation of a Chabad school to the children in their area? 41:49 • When the Chabad school is full or if we have no other viable option, can we lower our standards of chinuch by sending our children to another day school? 41:49 • How does one find balance between all the expectations Torah and Chassidus has of us and being at peace and happy with oneself? 45:02 • Can we understand the dilemmas we have in life as part of man’s need to toil in this world? 49:40 • Follow up (episode 275):       o The Rebbe and gifts 53:42     o Older singles 55:16 • Chassidus question: What are the ten hidden sefirot, where are they located, and what is their function and application in our lives? 58:25 • My Life 2019 essays:     o בין הטעות למהות, Zushi Krichevski, 16, Kfar Chabad, Israel 01:07:18     o Chassidic Mindfulness: A Purposeful Tranquility, Dan Lewin, 45, Dallas, TX 01:08:44     o “Give Me Children, or I Shall Die”: Chassidic Approaches to Confronting the Grief of Infertility, Sasha Balofsky, 30, Philadelphia, PA  01:10:12 Submit your question now at  https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ask-rabbi-jacobson/ or email: info@chassidusapplied.com. WEBSITE: https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ EMAIL US: info@chassidusapplied.com SPONSOR A MYLIFE: CHASSIDUS APPLIED EPISODE, OR EXPLORE OTHER GIVING OPPORTUNITIES: https://www.meaningfullife.com/sponsorships MyLife: Chassidus Applied is a weekly video webcast candidly answering questions from the public about all life matters and challenges, covering the entire spectrum of the human experience. The objective of the program is to provide people with inspired guidance and direction, empowering them to deal with any issue they may face. MyLife demonstrates how Chassidus provides us with a comprehensive blueprint of the human psyche as a microcosm of the cosmos, and offers us all the guidance we need to live the healthiest possible life and build nurturing homes and families, bringing up the healthiest possible children, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. MyLife is brought to you by the Meaningful Life Center as a public service, free of charge.

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Hi. Mr. Zack Peters joining us joining me. Yes. I'm excited to be back. Do you know I miss you guys too Lee and picked a great week to skip out this episode was struggling, you know, it says a lot when I thought this was the best episode this season. It's been a represents how the season has been going. Yeah. Yeah and and it starts off in a row. A high note with Tinsley and Dale I can with tensley like I couldn't with her for the past couple of seasons and now like now I'm just like stopped like stop giving her mom are time because her mom is not any more exciting. This is the first time Delgada confessional. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. I just realized I saw that like, huh? That was really moving up in the in the Ray. I mean at this point, you know, I I will say I Tinsley is not I think we Bond over. This is not one of my favorites but she is a little bit better this season just a little bit maybe the complexity of her relationship with Scott. She's not being all like roses and like peachy about it. So it's a little bit more interesting but it's still like watching paint dry. It is it's just it's drying a little bit five little say yeah, it is like watching paint dry and last season it was like paint drying but it was also like hyper annoying. Yeah, where's this season? We it's not as annoying. It's coming a little bit closer. Down to earth I think yeah, ugly. Yeah, I'll give her that. She made it like two inches closer to her. Yeah, I'm two inches is better than none. It makes a big difference. Yes, especially with her eye but we start the episode with her getting Botox because she has a grinding teeth issue. She says it started in Miami after that horrible mug shot and it just it's continued on because of her relationship with Scott. What do we think and the Talks, I guess helps with the doctor explained. Yeah, it helps with the the muscles in your jaw. So that they're not constantly clenching set. The job muscles don't get bigger. Like if you remember Bethenny had like really big Jaws like at the beginning of Real Housewives and now it's kind of simmer down because she started getting Botox in it. So it kind of relaxes the muscles that gives you a more defined and narrow jaw. Look at you are health expert I know because I wanted to get it done. What happened. I just never did. Okay, okay, but I mean it's not off the table still there. Alright, so yeah, so she's doing that. What do we think of her saying that Scott her relationship with Scott has been stressing stressing her out. I mean her relationships with Scott stresses me out because I'm just like he's not that into you. No, he's not. He's not he pays for your bills your convenient, you know, your McDonald's, you know, he gets to drive in and gets go through the drive-through. He gets his McNuggets. It's so 20-piece. It's a great discount and he's solid. Yeah, you know, he's not That interested in her us. He would have put a ring on it. He would have made her move to Chicago. I don't care what her brand is doesn't have a brand to brand was discarded in Miami with her mugshot. We need to we'll get to that later. But but she's turned trying to re-establish her brand apparently with the whole strut and mutts charity thing because she's like sad like a dog like I don't get it. I don't get it either. She's been in New York for three years now. She's just trying to re-establish herself and the scene like I like you've been on the show you I need like you should have been doing that day. We should have had some Renewal Skin Care. You should have had a cocktail a wine line by now like yes, I don't understand. I don't understand her whatsoever. But moving on we get to Ramona and Sonja on a walk. The two of them together just makes me smile. I love the two of them together. They're very cute together. Yeah, it's really it's I mean, they weren't really talking about much but it was really cute to see them together. They were joking around Sonia has a really noisy apartment. So she has the excited phones that I like block out the noise. Um, I did like this and we were talking a little bit before before we went live. I hope you don't mind me sharing. Yeah, he went speed dating again and Ramona, you know sharing her story about her blind date and how you know, he speaks several languages. He's very worldly and Sonia's knee-jerk reaction as well that must mean he's not attractive. Yeah. Is that how you felt like when you were talking to set did you find did you come to that same conclusion on your speed dating? I definitely agreed with Sonia when she's like when you say, you know here She has a nice personality. It means I'm not going to you later. Yeah, so I did. Yeah, I think Ramona was trying to be nice. Yeah, and like how she was presenting this guy. He was just bad all around like he wasn't even cute. He wasn't worldly as much as he thought that he was he was just like such a drag. He was a drag and it's like, okay now I know why you don't have a wife and like I don't even wish that on Ramona. Yeah. I definitely agree with that and it was 10 you say it's like when you call you say Girls really like nice. Yes, like she's now. Yeah, exactly. Um, and I don't blame Ramona for wanting a little bit more spunk in the bedroom at this point in her life. Like she doesn't need someone that's world, but he gave up so much. She was married for so long like dedicated everything to her husband and to Avery that like, yeah now she deserves to have fun and live her life and go to clubs and get on that Turtle time. She does she definitely does and you know, I love Zack and everyone's loving you. You in the chat there. So happy to see you Tabitha. Hello out of the high time with Ali hello. Love you. They want you on all Bravo things. I agree your fabulous. Thank you. Well plug lean and I are doing a new show here at after buys called. It's Bravo bitch every Sunday at 7. So we're talking all things Bravo love. Oh my gosh guys. Yes, definitely. Um, so we kind of move on to a sadder note, but Me I thought we moved on from Tinsley. There's sadder things going on Bethany decides. There's a man that's been pursuing her and she wants to go on a date with him. She finds it flattering and this moment that she's grieving Dennis, but she and I thought last week I thought she would maybe be moving too quickly into a relationship after Dennis his death, but I thought what she do what she did was a smart thing and bringing a grieving counselor and kind of like talk. Through it to make sure she wasn't transferring those same The Grieving emotions into another relationship. That was smart as this she hasn't confirmed it. But is this Paul the guy she's currently dating that was pursuing her I think so, I mean, I feel like if that's not a red flag at least like a magenta flag, but he's like pursuing her so hard right after she just like it's not like when she's gonna broke forgot to put like he died like he is no longer alive and like she has to grieve that so I think it's a little Interesting timing, but I do know she just recently because she was in she's currently in her custody battle with Jason Hoppy her ex-husband. And so that's where she revealed that she was actually dating Paul her current boyfriend right before Dennis even proposed to her and then later passed in the summer. So she was kind of on and off dating at that time. So I kind of understand like the timing is just a little murky timing is weird. But then we also learned a lot like these last couple episodes. We've been learning a lot about her relationship with Dennis and then and even in this episode. We learned a lot like that. She has been dating prior to like while Dennis was alive. She was dating other people and she even said that she was thinking about ending the relationship a couple days before he committed suicide. So it's just I mean, it's really rough to watch and to see like she's very guilty about it. I mean, I appreciated the Candor and how we really got to I don't think people and this is what makes Bethany such agree reality TV star and what made her so successful on television is she he's raw and she just kind of puts it all out there whether it's ugly or whether it's pretty and funny like whatever it is. She just puts it out there. So I do have respect for her being so open some people may think it's a little too much or TMI and you know, it's it made them uncomfortable. But I think it was I appreciated her opening up about the loss of Dennis and I thought it was smart of her to bring in a grief counselor to help her work through some of those emotions because like he said like grief is so different for every single person that there is no right or wrong way to do it. I agree. It's an important thing to show. I definitely agree and you know, I also felt that it was very interesting to her place and Dennis is life when he died like talking about how the ex-wife was handling everything like it kind of almost sound like I almost say this but like looks like she was something like that the other woman essentially where she like didn't know where she fit in at the funeral with his family and the children and like it just it sounds so difficult and it's and I don't feel like the women are giving her enough. Credit for or like supporting her enough for what? She's going through at the moment. I feel like all the attention has shifted to LuAnn and they're not really appreciate like taking the time to check in on Bethenny. I hear that but I also don't think Bethany is the type of person that would that allows that so even if they did try to I think it would be instantly shut down his I'm okay, I'm fine. And so I mean maybe prior to cameras coming up with the new season. Maybe they did and I know Ramona definitely wasn't but but yeah, I think Bethany's not necessarily the type of person that opens up to allowing people into take care of her. Yeah. I feel you. I feel you I um, yeah, but before we move on I think you have something you want to share with everybody. I do. I have a lot of things I want to share but one of the most pressing at the moment is that we love when you guys watch our AfterBuzz TV shows which is why you're going to want to subscribe if you're watching us on YouTube right now hit that subscribe button because you don't want to miss us. 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You know, we talked a lot of bad things about tensley but not even dogs can make her likable like I like it was nothing that was like endearing you're cute about there's no, you know, it's like on Tinder when you're like, oh this guy's okay me he's like a 7 and then you see his dog. You're like, okay swipe, right? You know, this like does not like dogs don't even do that for Tinsley. I'm sorry. What did you say when Bambi came on the screen? Dean what did I say? Oh that wasn't ugly dog. It wasn't ugly dog. Like that was not like I'm not a looker not a looker look out to render her dog passed away. So she was you know borrowing a dog, but they're trying to have adopted. I mean the event altogether was like a really nice and sweet event what the causes for is really nice. But yeah, I mean, she just she has nothing to me. Even when she was emceeing the event. She's reading from note. You know, what it is is if she's not Passionate about the cause. Yeah, which I think is what made so many other women when they talk about their Charities on the show. That's what that's what brought that other dimension to them and humanize them is that they were passionate about the causes that they were doing and this just felt like a I'm not going to wear fur and I'm going to pose naked for Pete like just like a publicity stuff off the top of my head you have, you know, Margaret you have from New Jersey Jersey. Yeah, you have least 10 PPL. Thank all these people that like a real a very popular yet. I don't even know cards because they believe in it. Yeah, it's what she's saying is it's trying to get her back into the world of the whole socialite New York City. Yeah, and you could tell that it's not it's not genuine. But what I loved about it was that we got a Ramona catwalk Runway flashback. Those eyes eyes eyes are just in your face my contacts going to pop out if I keep doing that. They're the wall kind of the hide the side. Pony that like it was that that gives she redeemed herself tonight that were several season was behind you dancing was a second best thing. I've seen all night second-best which is saying a lot so good. Yeah, it was great. Um, but yeah, I mean it was nice and then Luann shows up durandal away on kinda had a good like a nice Rapport. It was nice I duranta I guess didn't feel it. But I thought Luann like it's still you know, we're still Making baby steps. Yeah, I feel like the Renda wants it too just like jump instead to be like great how things were type of a thing and Luann. I think that's ferrets it things take time after you've you know, I mean, I do think Luann is kind of holding on to this a little too long. Like it wasn't that bad like it's not like yes. She said some pretty nasty things to you. But like at some point like we just let it go and we move on otherwise, it's just like hurting our own heart to hold onto that resentment. And I mean, she's definitely milking it asking for Yoga instructor on Wednesday later on asking saw a masseuse. I'm like and Dorinda is so quick to say yes, because she wants the relationship to be like good and where it was before. Let's just sad to see like it's just like you're abusing this friendship and tidy and David. Yeah. She's like trying to she's milking this so hard. It's like she's trying to take an trying to find an utter on an almond. Yeah, like that's not how you know, it's not how you make almond milk. Garlic baby steps. It's not how you making out. Almond, yes, but you know and then Barbara also seems to be stirring the pot between the two of them as well. I hate Barbara. I'm done. I'm I'm glad we only got like a quick little Cameo her this episode, but I think we're going to be seeing a little bit more of her in the Berkshires. But yeah, I don't like her involvement in it at all. She just comes into aggressive and it's like and I got it like she has history with the women so she can come in aggressive and that's something that we don't necessarily see because we don't understand. Those relationships and those Dynamics. But yeah, it's just very like hard and aggressive and it's just like too much I think too like it is that we don't know the Dynamics like it's okay for Bethany to interject because we get it but also Bethany seems to be a lot more neutral than Barbara is and like we want to see Luanne and Iran to get back to that place and to render Barbara seems very like team Luann. Yeah, so she's not really playing The Peacemaker. It feels like it feels like she's being divisive exactly. Where is Bethany you can kind of Tell She's leaning a little more towards like Luann side of things but she still trying to be the mediator and say this is your issue to work out. I'm not going to get in the middle of it. We're Barbara's very much throwing herself in the middle of it and taking a side. I can't I can't stremme it's is over and the women decide to go yachting with Ramona's friend Deborah. Whatever meant to say. She said I would do anything to get on a yacht. But yeah, I mean you gotta love Ramona Gotta Love Ramona. I mean I kind of would almost do it not anything. I would do some things for yeah, baby. Oh God. I hope it was another one but Luann. Okay, so I understand the waves going through this whole sobriety thing is it's it's not insensitive of the woman to be drinking around her. What do you think about that? I saw a lot of like feedback on Twitter about people getting upset that they're drinking around Luann. I mean the thing is like it really comes down to that person and whether or not they vocalize that there comfortable or uncomfortable around it. Yeah, I do think it is a little disrespectful only because you know, I mean you're essentially waving it in front of them and it is a very hard thing, you know, it's not like somebody that has like food problems or an eating disorder where like you can't avoid the situation like in this case everyone can choose to like not drink out of respect for that one person. So I but if Luann and she looks like she's sad like I'm fine with you guys drinking it's okay. So as long as she's kind of In them that permission to then I think you can't really hold the women accountable for that that and I also just think Luann knowing what her situation is like coming onto the show, you know, like the producers want alcohol involved the woman like it makes the show better. So like I think her signing up for another season like realizing like I'm putting myself in the situation like she's a self-aware enough to know I mean exactly does cabaret shows which are late at night. There's a lot of alcohol involved. So I think she's a little more comfortable being in that type of setting. And I think there's probably you know, a refreshing piece to it where she knows like the cameras are on her and like she's being held accountable and she's not going to drink because like everything's being filmed and it'll be put into the season. It is kind of something that's like she always has the I Yan are always has a high honor but the ladies get a good laugh over the Naked Chef and it kind of you know, Bethany tells Ramona you should do the same thing. You're dating do like the whole like Samantha. Thing and Ramona's like totally against it. I would have thought she would have been for it. I would have thought she would have been for it too. I mean, I think it really depends on like who's the naked like if I know you if I've like been in bed with you then like yeah, it's usually off of you. But if it's some random stranger than maybe not like it really just depends about it. I think fit like sushi, I feel like there's sexier food to eat off of somebody Mmm Yeah. I'm sure there is so she's just like the thing that they made a thing. Yeah, and that was a very similar. Nothing, but like probably because it like sticks to you and it won't fall off. That's true. That is true. I mean I would I would you know laid there for I would you eat sushi, I would not I would eat sushi off of somebody else like to me. That's just like I mean, yes. Yeah, it's painful. It's like just sit there and have people eat off of you. That's so degrading again before we continue One of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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So so I mean the girls have a good laugh and I actually really enjoyed this whole little yacht and they're under was missing but like it was nice to see them all kind of having a good laugh together Ramona and Bethenny were like sharing jokes with one another like it was nice to kind of see them like in a good place but then all the Heat and all the attention turned to Tinsley. Yeah. I didn't know. Sara Lee feel like they were grilling her. I just don't think she was like being super truthful and like that's why it felt like somewhat of like an interrogation. Yeah and see we saw like two minutes of this conversation and it felt like she was very much trying to like overcompensate and defend this relationship that just she was like trying to sell them on it and it even sound like she was trying to sell herself on it when it's like we can tell you're not fully invested in this like when he He lives in a completely different city and he's paying all of your bills and I'm sorry that's not a relationship. That's a leveraged sugar. Daddy. Yeah, it's a sugar baby. Well, you know baby anymore because she's 43 and they've been dating for two years and her biological clock is ticking. I just I feel like and I think I said this a little bit last week that her whole and it maybe Scott got in her ear was like I really don't like how you portray a relationship on the show, but her whole tune has totally shifted from you know, it's fine that we're not Read like I don't like with does it like I'm not going to give a timeline knocking them ultimatum and not gonna do all these things and just last year. It was like freezing my eggs trying on wedding dresses like it's kind of surprising to me how like quickly her like view has like shifted and I maybe she's embarrassed like maybe she is trying to like play it down and dumb it down because she is embarrassed that they're not in that place. I don't know I completely agree with you. I think that she's embarrassed because she came out so hot got out the gate with him and like I think that was her and she's just that type of girl. I like look at everybody has a different pace for their thing. Yeah, sometimes people are just that type or they are quick. I mean at her age like she doesn't want to wait around anymore and nothing against her age, but she's ready for that on her own like she's put that timeline on herself and she wants that and I feel like if you want that then like you shouldn't be embarrassed about it. Whereas now we kind of see her feeling like a fool and kind of like being like no, it's okay. We'll get married when we do and it's Like she couldn't even answer a basic question of like do you love him and do you think you can spend the rest of your life with it? Yeah. It was very and it caught that. That one was the one to me where it's like, I don't know like uh, like you should know like I like I'm with someone that I was with the rest of my life with like and you know that you should know that two years in for sure but like especially at your age like you're 43 Ligon not Aid shaming but like she wants things in life and as a woman that biological clock is ticking and so she needs to kind of I don't know. I mean and just the proximity like it that is just the fact that they live in two completely different cities. And neither one of them wants to budge or like wants to be around the other more often. I understand her saying that she won't leave New York without a ring. I get that I get that but at the same time I honestly and you were joking about it earlier in the show. I don't understand what brand and what connection she has to New York City that is like keeping her there. Like I don't like she could do literally everything she's doing and Cargo that she's doing in New York. Like I don't know what is and I like I'm sure it's only like an hour and a half two hour flight. Like if there's work in New York. She can make it work like can make it work. The thing is I don't think he wants her to live there. Yeah, or else she would have been there. Yeah. She doesn't need Housewives. No, he's paying for everything. She doesn't need the page. Like she's not Jen. She's not you can tell the housewives that come on the show and like build businesses and builds genuine Brands and like they're trying to make something for themselves outside of Housewives. He's just doing this to pass the time. Yeah, you know she did a little dog show because like she saw Sonia and other Housewives do charity stuff in the past. I was cute too. I definitely agree. I'm really quickly before we move on from Tinsley the ladies kind of suggests doing an ultimatum and you guys answers in the chat for us to do you think ultimatums work and relationships? Yeah. I think they do and I think in this case when a timeline is very important to you and again where I think we've Been very mindful of like not trying to age shame her but she has put a timeline on herself and she's saying I'm getting older. I want to get married soon. I want to have kids soon. So it's like okay soon. Tumi's the next 2-3 years Max. Yeah, you know what? I mean? And I had that's what soon means to me when you're talking about getting serious in a relationship. And so I just I think you know, if that's what she really wants then she needs to kind of put that pressure on him, but I think the fear is that if she puts the pressure on him. He's going to take everything away and he I'll leave her. Yeah, but I mean that's kind of the reality that you need to place yourself and it's like is this relationship really worth having if we're not going to work move forward and if he's not okay with like we need to be married and start having a family and you're in a half or whatever then the he's not the person for you and then you should be okay with like knowing that and I think Bethenny said it best like you need to know your value and what you add to someone that's the thing I think one she needs to be like she needs to know where Zack because like what happens if she waits three years and then he's like no, I'm not that into and then she just wasted the last five years of her life in this relationship with this person. And then the other thing to Bethenny's comment about her value. I don't think she sees her value and that's why she's with a guy like Scott that can not respect her as a person. She's a gorgeous woman and she does not see that. Yeah, you know and you can tell she doesn't see then you can tell she's very insecure and that's why I mean look if I'm being real then like I think she can do way better than Scott. I agree. I agree. Um and the chat we got Jackie Galaxy saying ultimatums are a form of communication Tabitha Roadhouse. However, says, I don't feel like an ultimatum is best for a relationship. I guess I would feel good personally having to give one to someone. I'm in a relationship with one. I'm not sure Ronnie our boy Ronnie. Hi ultimatums are tough but you could throw out red flags to your partner. I'm kind of for ultimatums, but I think it definitely depends on what the ultimatum is. So you have to kind of Check your your battles with it depends on what it is. It depends on what your timeline is. And like is this realistic like if you're 23, and you're saying I need to be married in the next year that's not really realistic. But if you're 43, and you're saying like I'm worried about having kids soon then yeah, that's something where time is a little more sensitive totally fair. Um, yeah, and lastly I and I agree people in on Twitter were kind of bashing the women but I agree with Ronnie here. He said, you know, I think the lady's talking to her was a Actually valuable as she needs to look and assess if Scott is actually the one I agree with that I look at I thought they were being really genuine. They were in there only kind there. It's not like she's 25 and she's chatting with a bunch of other 25 year old girlfriends that haven't been there. These are all women that have been through all of it. They've lost their husbands. They've been divorced they dated again. Like they've been through it like take this as wisdom and not as these girls grilling you yeah, and it came from a real like I felt like I was a very genuine. Yeah, but Is we're in the bizarre pictures and orenda is making it spooky. She has the clown she has the go. She has the blood and the gore and everything to make Halloween Halloween. She's definitely ducted all out to the nines and the women loved the decorations and I loved Ramona referencing Bethany crying looking so hard to a clown and the flashback of that amazing and of course room assignments are always an issue with these girls. We can never adjust, you know, Be grateful to sleep in a bed that has a mattress and clean sheets and a manner in a manner. We can't however, I don't wanna tease redecorate she does. I like I almost you know drop the F-bomb there but she really needs to redecorate. I like I don't know why her house looks with us. That's that should be a Bravo show Bravo if you're watching well you need to do is is create a design show that flips Housewives home. Yeah, because some of them have really bad taste she is she's at the top of the list. Love me some Erika Girardi, but that house needs to be done. Yeah, we could go on and on the Jennifer from New York or New Jersey. Yeah, anyways, so, yeah the women love the decor but they are struggling with the rooms. They pain Luann and the the fish room, which I mean, I feel like every room is kind of a desirable looking for me, but the fish room is the worse. It does look like a I don't know who decorated it. I don't know whose choice it was have like plastic. Fishes on the wall, but when they're at dinner when takes extreme offense to being assigned the fish room to rent it gets up to go to the restroom or something and Lou Anna just throwing a hissy fit. She's not happy that Bethenny got the nicest room. She's poking at that. She feels that if her and her under are supposed to be like on this path of new friendship, she would give her the greatest room. I am not a little bit like I've never been a big wind fan, but This is just really hammering it home for me. It's like how pretentious and annoying. Can you be like during the opened up her home to you? Like if you don't like it, then go stay at a hotel you have options like you don't have to you don't have to stay there. No, you don't have to stay with dirt. Like Bethenny always stays at hotel. Like that's the thing that just drives me, you know crazy about Luann right now. She's just so entitled and like look I get it. You went through a lot you're rebuilding yourself, but like we're like dorinda's reaching a big Oliver. Branches like a like a whole tree and having a brand she's just like I'm getting you your yoga instructor. She I'm looking for you like she's doing the most she's doing the most like you have to stay in one of heard half a Million Dollar Rooms a manner like one of them is isn't to your liking like it's it's yucky and it like it makes me mad because I especially feel like New York at New York and Atlanta maybe the worst when it comes to room assignments. It's just like be grateful just be grateful you're on this trip. You're in a nice home. Just be grateful. It's a house. Like it drives me literally insane like how pretentious and snobby they could be about some of these things. I mean the fact that she even asked her for yoga and a masseuse like and the fact that dorinda's trying to deliver on these things like like that shows you that like she's trying to make sure this is a great experience for you coming back into her home and to dorinda's like to defend her. She thinks the shark room is a great room. It's I mean know is she was at her home and she loves it and she feels like she's opening it up to somebody they would be appreciative of what she has to offer. Yeah, absolutely and I was upset that Luann was kind of like Bethenny doesn't deserve the nicest room like she is she's a morning morning and like grieving the loss of the love of her life. Like what you went back to rehab because you were getting drunk again and like you're having your cabaret show like you're not going through much like you're happy. You're fine. Yeah, I'm with you on that and then she storms off. Yeah. I mean, I don't like I don't feel for her. I hope during that does not budge. I think Tinsley Hensley, I just for her which I don't know. Um, but yeah, that was the gist of the episode. I mean, I did think this was the best episode of the season so far. It was I mean, it was a slow gradual build. Yes episode, but like once we got to the Berkshires things kind of got better. Yeah, I agree. So yeah, let's go ahead and jump into our news and you know why it was good. Why because Barbara wasn't there. Exactly. What is exactly that? Okay. Well first things first, I love me a good housewife crossover and we got that earlier this week or last week Ramona celebrating Melissa gorga's 40th birthday in Jersey. They're also filming Real Housewives of New Jersey right now. So I thought it was great. Hopefully we'll get a romantic Cameo and the episode I would love that. Yeah. We did get a remote a cameo. On I think it is to reunions ago. When oh, yeah, and she called it called Melissa and interacted the filming. I thought that was great. So I love it. I love the friendship. I think it's really cute. I think it's fun. I love Melissa's jumpsuit the sparkly sparkly glitter jumpsuit love it. Um, but onto I guess desperate news. It feels like Tom is inserting himself back into the headlined. Yes, Luann's Tom is getting back out there, um page Six revealed Tom has allegedly been mocking Luann but telling his Pals he didn't realize I was marrying a Walgreens referencing to the amount of pills land supposably had around the house. He also said that he cheated on Luann because she cheated on him first. Yeah, so I mean, I don't think that's a reason to cheat on somebody if they cheated on you first. It's not an eye for an eye, but whatever. I agree. It's not an eye for an eye, but it does kind of set the precedent like You don't have respect for me. Then I'm not going to I'm going to do this and not that it's right, but I understand. Well, do you actually think that It's true. I mean we've heard infidelity rumors about her forever. Yeah, we've never known her to be a faithful woman. So I wouldn't be surprised I guess I guess as I just I feel like it's a bit thirsty little he's thirsty. He's definitely thirsty to put himself back out there. I mean, obviously he ran out of women to date on in New York city. So he has to get himself back in the headlines. Somehow. I love Ronnie's comment Thomas slowly becoming the Spencer Pratt of the show. Yeah. I don't think so. I like Spencer prize. He's pretty is a great reality Village. Tom is just trash. Oh God. I hated Spencer Spencer Spencer. Pratt was the Big Mac and Tom was the McRib that we Shuffle out every once in a while. He ruined my girls French out. There we go. Yeah, that's all we got for news and gossip. Let's go ahead and jump into some prediction. Yeah. I will let you go ahead and go go first. My predictions are Barbara's going to come to the Berkshires and it's just not going to be nice. She's gonna make things messy. She's going to get in between duranta and Luann. She's gonna feed into Luann's ego because right now Luanne is like very much on her high horse about the rooms and not having to sleep in the fish room. I'm curious to know where Barbara is going to end up sleeping. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I think this is Where we're going to start to see the beef between Bethenny and Luann because now Bethenny's gonna find out that Luanne has been speaking ill of her and like again, she's grieving like everybody has like a period of time where you just have to like let them be and not she's grieving. Sorry, and I meant to say this earlier she's grieving but she also is there for Luan when we was at her lowest so for you to be talking badly about someone that like literally lifted you up and got you the help that you needed like and she still by her side, even though she just weeks ago lost the love of Of her life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is the episode next week is the episode where we see that crack in the Luann and Bethenny friendship relationship. I also I don't know what triggers Sonia but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing why she breaks down. Don't touch the more he have leather like I am here for it. I love it. Hysterical Sonia. I love hysterical almost anybody but Sonia and Our and I think I think Luann endure and has relationship. Although I think Luann was totally out of place for being upset about the room. I think it will kind of make a shift in the right direction next week. I'm hoping I think dorinda's a lot more level-headed with it. So I think maybe that might be the cause of it. But yeah, I think it'll be awesome. I think everything in the bizarre pictures is always amazing. So I'm definitely looking forward to some naked butts. And so I'm not that rhino. I know I did look a little bit hairy The Naked Bartender did not like it sounded way great when they were talking about much greater when they were talking about it and then examine your like that is that a but I want to see no, you don't want that hair in your food and your drink. I love it. I am so happy you were here tonight. Love the energy missed you so so much guys. Thanks for being so active in the chat. I really appreciate it. But yeah that that concludes our show that concludes our often. How you can catch me on social media at see underscore S Jones on Instagram and online at Chelsea Star Jones.com and you can catch my boys a computers where you can follow me at just plain Zach everywhere all over the Internet. 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Welcome to the Decades of strength podcast. We are Sam Marcy Sarah and Kim and we are for women on one Mission. We are obsessed with empowering women to gain confidence build strength and ditch feelings of unworthiness releasing the shame around your struggles is hard work, especially if you feel alone and so we wanted to create this podcast as a way to unite women of all ages from allocations.Is all sizes and shapes and really just want to invite you to sit at our table come as you are health and fitness is for everybody and we're here to remind you that you belong you matter. You are brave you are capable you are deserving of success maybe right now, you don't truly believe those things and that's okay when we first got started we didn't either but we promise that each episode. We will show up vulnerably we want you to realize your potential. And the truth of who you really are. We will help you step into success and acknowledge that the power already lies within you. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and read it on iTunes and tigers in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive community of women sitting at the picnic table together. Welcome back to another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Today is the same Altieri. I'm going to be your host and I have my girl gang with me. We got Sarah Duff Kim flogged and Marcin Evan. Hey, ladies, what's up today? We're going to talk about an awesome topic, which I think it's probably something that we all get in rdms like at least once a day. Or people just asking the question of how to stay consistent and this is a huge one that I think we have all struggled with especially when starting off with our routines like way back one whatever that was for each of us. And so we want to help you stay on track and give you some mindset shifts and also some actionable strategies to staying on track and helping you avoid when you do fall off track kind of heading down that spiral really just helping you kind of catch yourself and hop back on one of the biggest things that we all notice is that when life happens. Usually that's where you know, you miss one workout or you miss a good meal and it kind of just feels like life's never going to talk to you, you know a good ball. So you just say screw it and you end up spiraling downwards and so we want to help you tackle that spiral and get out of that funk. So I figured that we could start off. Maybe we're kind of going around around the circle just talking about an experience that we've had where we weren't consistent and sharing just a little bit for everyone listening so they can hear that. We also have those moments to even though where we are coaches. So Marcy, let's start off with you recall a time where you were or maybe you know, you had the temptation to fall off track or something like that. But can you think of something in the realm of consistency? No, sorry, I'm really consistent. I really really like it. Just I'm sorry when you were like, please don't start with me PLS sosorry with you is because you thought it was very relevant to the topic because a lot of a lot of women struggle with the same thing. So why don't you share what you told me earlier? All right. Well, first of all, let me preface it by saying this is not me trying to be self-righteous and oh, I'm so great because I can be so consistent. I have been doing this for 20 years. So I'll be 36 in January. I literally started eating I'm eating better and working out consistently when I was 15. So I have built the habits over time that now it's just who I am. It is part of my identity and and I know that if I don't stay on track if I'm not consistent, then I am not going to feel well physically or mentally the other thing with that is I have a very strong why so someone who suffers from an autoimmune disease like my health is my priority and I know that if I don't make choices that support me or support my health in a really positive way then again, I'm not going to feel good mentally or physically and I risk I risk my health suffering as a result. So for me having that really strong why keeps me consistent but to talk a little bit about the story that you were referring to Sam and I mentioned this on the last podcast, but I have been in a fatwa space for about five months now and it's been fairly easy in the sense that I have made progress pretty consistently week to week. And part of that is because I have been so consistent with my habits that Propel me forward and allow me to reach those goals and it was It was kind of crazy how I didn't really hit any plateaus. It was just like my weight would steadily decrease it would fluctuate, you know, maybe a pound or so on a given day, but that was really it and I am not someone who has massive spikes in their weight. I know a lot of women do struggle with that, you know, the scale will go up. Pounds one day that is not normal for me. So I had not been pre-lit feeling very well a couple of weeks ago. I broke out in this really weird rash and I was like what's going on? I didn't know what it was and I felt awful like literally felt like I was dying and the next week I started feel better. So I was like, oh maybe I had, you know a virus or something. So that's kind of what started it all off and then last week I had waited and I I do weigh myself every day just to see those Trends over time and it was the day after a refeed day, which is where you have more carbs. It's a good way to kind of like reset your body. So fat loss is a stress or if you've been really low calorie for a long time. It can help to have a refeed where you bump those calories up a little bit and you know, like we'll get some water weight off maybe but it's typical for the day after the refeed for your weight to spike. So I know that and It excuse me, wait went up a little bit and then the next day it stayed the same and I was like, okay, like that's kind of normal. And then the day after that it's spiked. I was like, oh that's kind of weird and it was up like two and a half pounds from my lowest weight, but I was like interestingly enough. I feel like the I look the best that I have during this whole process on that day. So I really wasn't concerned about it next day. It was up a little bit more. I'm like, all right, what's going on here next day it was down a little bit. It and then on Sunday, it was up two more pounds. So that would have been a 5-pound weight gain in the course of one week, which is very very bizarre for me and I had not changed anything. Like I was actually sleeping better. I felt way better I had more energy. So my steps were higher I was on track with my training and my nutrition and I was like what the fuck is going on and it was honestly a little bit scary for me because like I said, this is not something that's happened. So I think for many people they would see that Trend and freaked out and use it as or see it as a sign that this is no longer working and get into that mindset of all right. Well what I'm doing obviously isn't working so I may as well just quit or I may as well just not to my workouts this week because I'm not making progress anyways, or I may as well just eat what I want because I'm not making progress anyway, and that is a very very Dangerous mindset to get yourself into and so you just have to be willing to ride out those little bumps in the road. So sure enough. I tried not to stress about it. I'm like, I'm just going to give this a couple days see what happens. I talked to my coach on Thursday and I didn't even reach out to him like all Panic. Oh my gosh. Why is my way to 5 pounds? You know, what's going on with me bam and sure enough like today. It's slowly dropping back down again. Whereas if I would have would have seen that 5 pound. Increase and just use it as an excuse to completely go off the rails. Then my weight probably would have continued to spike and then I would have gotten in this very like a negative mindset this kind of vicious cycle. Whereas did you can just patch from those little fluctuations and maybe seeing your progress like regress a little bit rather than constantly move forward, which is not always what's going to happen. Like fat loss is not linear. You're going to have those little Peaks and valleys. Yeah, I screwed myself, so Just I stayed consistent. I detached from the data and now things are going back down in the right direction. Yeah, I think you bring up an incredible point that I know everyone listening whether you're in a foul space or not is the power of belief right in like trust in yourself and what you're doing and the process which is really hard especially when you're starting out and you don't have 20 years of head or she does which a lot of people don't you know, and The power of what habits can do for you in times like this because you know, it works as long as you just keep doing it, right? But yeah, you knowing that is a blessing and it's like something you may like if you don't have that belief, then you exactly like you said like your seemed like well screw it and it wasn't meant to make this success like be a success or like never going to lose weight or I'm always going to be fat or you know, and then end up going in that opposite direction and neither like eating like an asshole or Like just not working out because you're like well can't do it. Yeah, and you know you bring up a really good point and that's something that I want to touch on really quickly, which is one of the ways that I stay consistent and it's what we talked about on the last episode. We recorded was having a structured plan that you know works and that, you know works if you do the work, let me say that but you know that you can really trust It in and I have that I have a training program that I follow consistently. I have a coach who gives me my macros. Like I know if I just put in the work that is going to yield a specific result. And if it doesn't I can make some tweaks. But yeah, you will be way more consistent. If you have something structured to follow that you actually believe in rather than totally trying to wing it. Yeah. I mean, I know I've experienced with that. Out we can dive into that later. But Sarah or Kim which one of you would like to kind of share your experience next and follow up on that thought lady came. I shall let you okay the floor. He looks ready. She's got I know she loves me, but I was thinking she looked like maybe yeah, you look ready to pounce of I'm not getting in the way here what it is. Like he's I took my glasses off and I was trying to see so I was looking up close. It looks like she's about to take off and I spend a lot of time in this chair about myself a comfy one. Okay, so I think that my story is going to sound very relatable and understandable to many people listening to this podcast as well as to you other coaches from the coaching standpoint because I'm going I like your clients years ago when I was already quite lean, but I wanted to get leaner and I was strong but I wanted to get stronger and I was in a group powerlifting coaching program and then I sought out one-on-one coaching because I was just not seeming to be able to lose weight. Like I just couldn't seem to get leap. And so I started with a coach and I would have sworn up and down. I was being consistency right like I'm being doing this right because my effort level was very high when I started to have having daily accountability check-ins with my coach after a couple weeks it became evident to me that first of all what it was happening was it was working and second that I was not really being consistent before it felt like I was being consistent because I was many days of the week right maybe five out of seven days of the week. I was being consistent or 70% of the day. I was being consistent, but I was doing a whole lot of oh, I'm not tracking this meal on a weekend or I'm having some extra snacks. I'm not tracking. I just wasn't following the structure and not that you have to track but if the structure you have laid out for yourself as I am tracking and you don't track all the time, you're not being consistent and that was the structure I had laid out for myself and I wasn't doing it though. The effort level was high because it feels really hard to even be said 70% but you get 70% results and so it wasn't until I was having these daily accountability check-ins and it wasn't anything in particular that my coach did or said it was literally that I realized like, ahh. This is what actual consistency looks like and feels like yeah, I think you like you can't put in 60 or 75 percent of the you know, the effort and expect a hundred percent and from the outside. I think especially in the world of social media and comparison. It's easy to look at other people and think that they have this easy life, right and they just get these results but like what you don't see is all of the The really structured meals no and all the boring shit that happens and not there like, you know fun doughnut that they have once a week you see the donut and that's it. And it's like wait I want to do that too. And I think that is that for me like when I first started is like I was doing the same thing, you know, I just wasn't being I wasn't holding myself accountable. I wasn't being honest with myself. Like I was like, yeah, I'm doing it and then I'd be like, I didn't track this granola or could ever actually way more frustrating than Being honest with yourself and saying look like I'm not getting the results. I want because I'm really just not doing what I what I input maybe even on paper I'm saying I'm doing and you know, that's a really it's an aha moment for a lot of my clients because I keep track of all their stats of what they tell me they're doing and then you know, when they'll at the end of the month if they'll be frustrated with their progress and then we look at the stats together and I'm like look like you hit your calorie Target 60% of the days and then they're like, oh really? That's it. And then they're like, oh wait so like nothing's wrong. I just have to do more of what I've been doing. I have to do what the days that I've been doing it really? Well. I have to have more of those. Yeah, and that's a really good feeling like there's nothing wrong with you. There's nothing broken you want to reinvent the wheel you have to do what you think mentally you're doing actually do it. Yeah. I think there's a really powerful thing about the visual right? Because like we kind of we don't we like give ourselves way too much credit for that stuff, you know, like the work we actually put in but then when you see it on Really? It doesn't lie. You know, it's like then it kind of is like a slap in the face and you know, I had a client she tracks everything like Steps protein calories how many hours of sleep and if anything happened in her life like she just sheet we created this spreadsheet because she's a very visual data person and you know, she was losing weight, but it wasn't as fast as she wanted and as fast as I knew she could you know kind of let that weight go and started the spreadsheet. It was her idea started the spreadsheet since starting. Dating she has lost 20 pounds like and it's just from doing it in like just being honest with yourself, you know, and I think she realized she's like I was just lying to myself and I'm like we all do it, you know, but when you realize that you're only doing yourself a disservice, it doesn't matter like I don't care that you're lying. But your body get the results. You want are the only thing that's gonna suffer. So yeah, Sarah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry, I'll gnaw in do you sometimes find that you're more or any of you actually that when your client comes to you with an idea to start like a spreadsheet or something that they are very often with a more consistent with it because it was their idea in the first place. Whereas if you try and suggest something to them you can come up against the bit of resistance and it's kind of like it doesn't seem to work. As well, so I found it with a lot of my clients that if they're come up with an idea. They are way more likely to be consistent because they're looking at it and going okay. I think this is what would work for my life, I guess. Yeah. I mean if you think about it, like imagine being told what to do and not knowing why or really not knowing that it like works for you. It's like if you told me like you have to eat green beans every meal I'd be like, um, okay. I would say yes, but I wouldn't do it, you know like but if you were like what do you think you need to do in order to get more green vegetable like well, maybe I'll have more green beans with each meal and then I would do it because I like it. So I think that what you said pretty powerful as like if you're listening it's like no one else has the answer but you only you know how you are going to best operate and best get your own results, but you just might need someone like one of us or another coach to ask you the Kitchen, what do you need to do in order to be consistent? Yes, it can spread sheet, you know, is it having access to a membership? Is it having a coach? Is it having a phone call? Like how do you do your best life? Yeah, very true. And for me my consistency and I am going to go in with my morning routine and journaling which Now for me, I don't miss a day like it has been I can't remember the last time I missed a day, but if we rewind back to this time last year when I was just trying to kind of sort out the morning routine. I really wanted to get into journaling because I was you know, knowing that I needed to do it to help with shift in mindset and dealing with you know, some of my shit I am and I really out with it in the beginning because I came to the conclusion that it's I wasn't feeling like I was gaining anything from it in the beginning. So I was only managing it for like maybe like a week and then I seen to fall off or I'd miss a weekend or I'd get bored of it or whatever. And so I never really did it enough to be able to really appreciate how powerful, you know journaling and the morning routine. And then I I just had a shift when I was just like I called myself out on my own bullshit and I was like, well, if you're only doing it here in that how the hell are you expecting to? Like, how are you going to get the best out of it? And how are you going to get the results that you know, you know that are at the end of the side of this so I just I started tracking on a calendar which I know Sam and I we use a lot of clients. I don't know about you ladies with just the marking in the calendar with the the X to make up a nice chain of how consistent you're actually being and I kept doing that for a couple of months just until I felt that the consistency in their habit was pretty well ingrained and you know, it worked and I am now like reaping the benefits of you know, having the morning routine in place and having journaling as one of my main kind of mind management tools I would say but it was that thing of Not seeing or feeling the results straight away and I think sometimes actually with the mindset side of it. It can be even harder to convince yourself and for you know us to be speaking to our clients to really get them to understand like how how this is going to change how you view things and how you act and because it's not such a tangible result that you're not going to you're not going to like see that your clothes are loosened or you know, whatever it It is and so again, it's that thing of just trusting the process of knowing that you know, if you do these things enough it is going to it is going to impact your mind in a positive in a positive way. But you have to give it you have to give it time and be prepared to put in the work and be open to kind of trying new things with it. So yeah, I love that and I think I'll follow up with it just from my experience morning routine is huge for me as well. And it's only something that I've learned. The adopted and refined and hone in on in the past. I don't know maybe like six months before that. I love my life. Like, you know, I'd wake up in Sprint to the gym and like it was just awful. Like I didn't even know what I I didn't know what was going on on any given day and it felt very much. Like I was in a claustrophobic of like a tornado of a life, you know, like I had no control over anything and I think that is something that a lot of my clients and a lot of people I talked to they just are like I just just get so overwhelmed and I just don't know how to do anything. And so when that happens they don't do anything because they are just stuck in this place of well. I'm in a rut and I can't stay consistent because this and you know life happens and and I think part of all of that is like expecting results to quickly and just having that unrealistic timeline or chasing that Finish Line instead of figuring out like, how can you actually enjoy your day to day and then your Weight loss or your progress is a bonus, you know, because like if you lose the weight, but you hate your life like who cares, you know, it's like so cool. You have a nice body, but your life sucks. Like all right, that's doesn't that sounds like shit to me and I know from my own experience. I am a very naturally impulsive person. So it's it's really hard for me to be patient and to just be and do the things in that day rather than like trying to fast forward to the next thing or thinking about like, what's it going to be like when or well just when I have this, you know, when I buy that piece of workout equipment, I'll do it or like I always told myself those things like I just kind of put off my own consistency until there was a better time and I think over a lot of failed attempts and like in his past year even like I have been so much. More consistent only because I've just like been nicer to myself, you know, like I just haven't put so much pressure on myself. I think coming from a design background and and from my dad especially like that perfectionist. I always chased that like that was my identity. Like I was a perfectionist and so when I didn't, you know work out five times a week and hit my macros like I felt like shit and then My sabotaging behavior would be to just binge eat like that was how I coped with it, which obviously is counter-intuitive to my goal. But at the time I didn't really know how to get out of that. And so now, you know fast forward to today. It's like I probably work out less than ever, but it's because I don't have the time and I don't want to make more time to do it. I found a Groove that works for me and I think it's only from going to the extremes, you know, like being For sedentary and feeling I trash and then being like hyperactive and kind of crazy about my goals and obsessive and now I'm like, all right, cool. Like I can work it out like four times a week. I just walk a lot and I do what I can and I just move on and I think that's that's part of like my biggest message and like the thing. I want to like share with the world is like you can't really like you just have to get back on it, you know, and like don't say fuck it unless it's like an Petit like a fuck it I'm gonna do that thing not like a fuck it. I'm I'm I meant to fail or I'm never going to you know, get fit. So coming back from any mistake just like okay, you know, it's all good. Not a big deal you're good and then that keeps you consistent because it creates more compassion really you're just like nicer to yourself and I treat myself our have started to treat myself more like a friend which that has been a huge different me. Like I've never been nice in myself. Always been such an asshole to myself because I had these really high standards that were almost like I just I have learned them they were conditioned. And so, you know, maybe maybe you guys have had experience with that or anyone listening but it's like you have these really really high standards and you're like, oh I'm you know, we're all our own worst critic and there's something to be said about up, you know, living up to goals and stuff but there's another level of beating yourself up and being an asshole to yourself that that's not helpful. You know, it's just not it's it doesn't help any anything move forward and isn't help you feel good. So yeah, and you guys relate to that those feelings. Yeah, I would want to touch on something. You said a little bit prior to that which is kind of the idea of starting smaller and then progressing from there. So a lot of people when they start off they have this assumption that they need to be working out, you know, five six seven days a week and it's completely unrealistic one because maybe they haven't really worked out at all. So it makes you think you're going to go From zero workouts to five six or seven workouts and same thing with their food that they're eating fast food and not tracking and they have no awareness. What makes you think that you are going to go from that to eating protein and vegetables with every meal and tracking every macro meticulously, like it just does not work like that. I mean some people yes, some people can but I think that they are the outliers. So starting small starting with one thing that you can do. Do consistently and then building upon that because I think one of the reasons why people do get frustrated and they do give up too early is because they set the bar way too high and then they can't meet it. So then like you said you feel like Sam you feel like a failure and feel like a failure. They would rather stop altogether and go back to that. Comfortable place that they were rather than challenge themselves and keep trying to move forward. So whenever I get on a discovery call with a potential new client, that's something I always say to them is what is realistic for you right now. Don't tell me what you think. You should be doing how many days a week you think you should be working out what would be realistic for you and we will start there. We will build confidence. We will build momentum and then we can always add to that as you get better and as your consistency increases, but yeah our yeah, and I think that's like I often hear as a response to that like yeah, but that's not enough and you're like, yeah, but it's better than what you're doing right now, which is freaking nothing so shut up and like just trust that something small everyday is way better than your random ass, like really intense workout once every 10 days and I think people Start to realize that I think even just hearing us talk like this. Usually when I talk to newer clients about this if they've had some life experience where they've tried to like go all in on hard stuff and they see how fast they burnt out and if you do that enough times, it feels like okay. Maybe I should try some maybe I could try something different and it doesn't feel like enough to them right saying like, all right, you're only walking two thousand steps a day. Let's have you walk 3000. Let's have you, you know, start eating vegetables at every meal or whatever these little steps feel too. Easy, but that's kind of the point that I have with them is we're going to make it feel easy. And then we're going to add something else in that now the other stuff and not even having to think about it and over time what they realize is like this easy just builds up and it feels it's just so different from what they were used to and it takes some time to get to the point where they see the results from it, but then it's not like before where it's like, okay, I did it for two weeks and I burnt out or I did it for a month and I burnt out and I gained all the weight back or I went to the gym steadily five. Days a week for three weeks. And then that was all I could handle. Yeah, I think a good metaphor for that is like imagine that you like sign up for a marathon, you know, like I don't I don't want to ever do that and I don't think any of you recognize someone go. Nope, like, you know, if imagine if the training plan said like week one run 26 miles, right? Literally that is what people freaking do. They're like, oh I want to lose weight. Okay. I'm going to eat 1,000 calories and work out six days a week and fucking run my kids around and like it's like no you're not. Yeah Sofia remember like the marathon plan is intentional right like you start out with a 2-mile run and then you build up and you slowly incrementally add because if you ran 26 miles every week you would probably run your legs off. Yeah. Keep pointing it right this on the calendar for the for January as a big reminder. So like a cross You are we on your calendar to scribble remember to start small. So the over F down the F down. I do not need to try and fit all my years Fitness into this one month and hope that I'm going to get the results from doing this for one year in one month because it ain't going to work. Yeah, I think you know, the irony of marathon training is you never actually run the 26 miles before the race. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like Kim. Imagine trying to one rep max test every week. Yeah, it's like no. Yeah, imagine if like instead of walking everywhere you had to Sprint everywhere like know everyone's just running but I think the counter to that right, so we're kind of talking about people doing too much or feeling like a saint enough. Maybe we can switch gears to like when people are doing nothing and they really Can't find the groove like they just they start something and they just keep falling off and maybe they're starting small, but they just maybe it's a mindset thing. It's like a mental thing. What do you guys recommend to your clients or two people reaching out to you? What do you recommend to them to kind of get their shit together and start doing the things that they want to do? A couple of things that I would say is one is recognizing that you're gonna have to push past that sticking point to get some traction and it's going to feel really really hard but holding yourself accountable to that even just for one day. So if you're if the thing that you're struggling to being consistent with and say like let's say you do a really good job during the day but you get home from work at night and you end up just eating all the cookies, right and you keep doing this and you everyday like I'm going to do it and then you keep thinking like I just can't do this at some point. You're going to have to push. Pass that sticking point and get one good day under your belt, you know part of this consistency thing is setting up your environments for Success. It's not just being like I'm going to do it, you know white-knuckle it so set your environment up for success, but then realize like you're just going to have to push past that sticking point and do it for a day Sarah mentioned you guys using calendars. I use that with my clients a lot of consistency challenge really works very well. So they have that visual of like I'm working for this and like I've got two x's and I don't want to get another the I like to give my my clients is to have no zero days. No to zero days in a row so they don't feel like if I screwed up once now I got to start over and try and get 30 more days in a row, right? So the idea is that they'll look at the month and they will have X's they will have no two days with zeros in a row so that you can still keep keep that feeling of momentum up rather than falling all the way off. But no one like you are just going to have to dig down and get some grit and push past. Yeah, the word grit is so great. It's like I love that want to dig your heels in and you know, maybe Sarah our city can dig into this thing having a strong having a strong why you know, like what's why do you actually want to do it? You know, Marcy Sarah which one of you guys wants to Well Suited to in the beginning. Yeah in the beginning of the podcast was like what my strong why was for is and how that anchors me to everything I do. How did you get? really clear on that I fear so you know for anyone who does not have an autoimmune disease or even for someone who does it can be really scary because the one that I have I have psoriasis which affects my skin, but when I first broke out with it when I was 21, it looked like I was covered in poison oak like from my head to my toe. So imagine being a 21 year old girl in college covered by Thrash not knowing if it would ever go away if it would get worse. Is it going to spread to my face like what you know and and feeling like oh my gosh, I'm going to be unlovable like no one's going to want to be with me. I my mind went to the worst possible places. And that's the thing these diseases is you don't know how bad they're going to get. You don't know if you are going to develop another one. So yeah. Mine is it's not super serious, but I had the fear of am I going to get Ms. Or am I going to get lupus or you know some of these really like debilitating diseases that would really impact my quality of life not just on a physical aesthetic level, but from the standpoint of not allowing me to live the life that I would want to live in that I'm used to living in terms of being active and taking care of myself. And I remember I'll never forget this when my ex-husband and I It up. He is the one who love marriage and we divorced when we were 30 great for my 30th birthday. Excuse me 31st birthday, and I really didn't understand why he was leaving and one of the things he said to me is I don't want to have to take care of somebody the rest of my life and that was like such a gut punch because he first of all he didn't have to take care of me. Like I was not bedridden I wasn't on disability. I was working just so as much as he was if not more and you know, like really like I was holding shift down like for us for myself, but I think it was more on an emotional level because I was always in my head. I was always nervous about what was going to happen and like going down the online rabbit. Holy on autoimmune disease forums, like just I don't know my mind was spinning and luckily. I'm not in that go on WebMD and like self-diagnosed. I have diagnosed with myself with pretty much like every chronic ailment known my legs gonna fall off and luckily. I'm not in that place anymore, which is wonderful. But yeah just for me. It was just wanting to have the best quality of life possible and Sam you made an awesome post on Instagram a couple days ago about what you can and can't control and I really can't control my body does right like I I could take as good of care of myself as possible and I still may end up with something like we never know but at least I am doing everything I can yeah, I think you touched upon such a powerful thing, which is fear. And I mean, maybe this will be a we should probably do another whole podcast on this but I think a really good motivator for some people is like if I don't do this thing, like what's going to happen rather than like the reason why Need to do the thing because sometimes fear is the ultimate motivator. It's not like the potential of success. It's actually you're scared of what if I don't do this thing, you know, like what if I don't lose the weight and then I can't hang out with my kids when I'm old or like I can't bend over to pick up there freaking Legos when I step on them or like, you know, like stuff like that where we take it for granted and sometimes you have to think about the worst case scenario and stay as far away from that as possible in order to Sure to drive you closer to the direction you want to go? I mean at least for me like the fear of like regretting things is so huge and driving everything I do is like I mean, it's it might sound morbid to some people but I just think about like when I'm on my deathbed if I even get that far something else crazy doesn't happen to me. It's like I don't want to ever be like, I wish I did X, you know, I wish I created on my business and a membership site and started public speaking and do one more like did a backflip like know if I I'm going to start doing all those things right now, you know are like I don't want enough like living like that. And so sometimes it's not so much like I want to do whatever that thing is. I don't want to lose weight. I don't want to become this great speaker. It's just I don't want to not do that thing. So, I don't know if that's if you guys can relate but icon. That's one of mine - yeah. Yeah. I actually it's the thing that drives me on the most because I just never want to be that that woman that it's just Like God what if I had done all of these things like I've done would just be so annoyed. Yeah. Yeah, I do that exercise my clients like yeah meet a pig deathbed exercise slyke picture yourself about to die, you know and like what is she every time? Yeah. I know. It's like hey guys, I have a great exercise. I think about your death, but it's good. It gets you clear on what you want because it's like really it's hard to talk about what you want. I don't know what I want. You know, I know what I don't want so That's really how you end up figuring it out is like figuring knowing all the shit you don't want to do or don't want to be here any of that. Mmm. I think after the Y part Sam where a lot of people kind of misstep is. Okay. I know why I want to do this even people have a very strong. Why is the what part like what exactly am I going to do? Because they have this general idea of like I want to lose weight or I want to build muscle or whatever it is. They want to do but they don't have a clear enough plan. I like for my clients to know every single day when they wake up exactly what they need to do by the time they go to bed that they could check it off and say yep, I did it or no. I didn't so that you know what you're supposed to do each day and it shouldn't be just something like really fuzzy. Like I will eat better today or I will eat healthy right like something really clear like yes, I did it or no. I didn't it needs to it needs to meet those criteria. Yes a specific on what the behavior needs to be exactly. Fair like negotiation that the you've done it or you haven't yeah, like smart goals, you know, like creating I think daily and farts like specific met a girl. What's the a a chief? Relevant and timely or something if it yeah, so you're listening and you had you know, what you want to do. Are you just don't know how to do it take it backwards. So get your goal out there write that shit down and then break it into as many small pieces as possible that would be required to achieve it and you don't need to have a coach to do this. You can just do this, you know, if you want to save $1,000, how do you do it? Okay. Well, I have to save x amount of dollars per month. How do I do that? Do I? Automated do I put it in an envelope like have a clear plan how you're actually going to do it and then you do it because you know, like there's no weird like, you know, unclarity or like oh, maybe I'll do it tonight or I'll put it in an envelope. Maybe you're like when you don't know you just don't do it at least from my experience. If there's any part that's not clear. That's my permission slip to not do it and it should be a behavior and action that you have control over it like so going on the exam. But you just gave Sam if the goal is a thousand dollars in a month. And so however many dollars per week. Oh, so you're supposed to save $100 a week. Just saying I will save $100 this week isn't a good goal. You need to say I'm going to save $100 is weak because I'm not going to buy Starbucks on these days, right? So it needs to be something you can control not just a general like I will do this right has to be a behavior. Yeah. Yeah will do or you won't do right and that's that's the difference between a maybe Martin Luther King. This who knows but dream versus goal, you know, it's like you can say all this shit but you actually have to if you don't you want it to come true. You have to make a plan. You know, it's just a nice thing to say out loud. Yeah, we do. I don't like when people said weekly goals to like lose X number of pounds per week for those who are weighing because there's just not a darn thing you can do to actually like physically make that one pound go away. Right? So but you could end up reaching that goal. If you said I am going to walk 10,000 steps every day. Day, and I'm going to eat three meals. They're going to be divided by such and such, you know amount of protein like those are the kind of goals that will actually get you that you have. Can you have complete control over you walk those steps as day or you don't you don't have control over what skill sets? Yeah, you know if a client comes to me and is like, oh, I want to lose 30 pounds in like, oh, do you have a knife? You can just chop off your leg. There you go. You don't even have to hire me. It's like you can't you can't decide when that how long that's gonna take, you know, and you know, I just like jokingly say it but it kind of makes I realize like oh you're yeah. Okay, I guess so like Kim. I think that's a huge that is such an important thing to remember is when you guys are setting goals set them about creating the habits, right or like the daily thing you can do that. I is in weeks and months then the outcome will happen and just letting go of that time on because at the end of the day, you know, like you don't know if you're going to have some family tragedy that's going to Have you not be able to be in the gym for a few weeks? Right like you you don't get to decide that ultimately but you can decide what you do during those days right and like how you eat you sleep and how you think about things and so yeah Marty what you were talking about with the control thing. I think that is one way that you can stay consistent is just do the things that you can and do, you know, it's like having that Mantra I'm doing the best. I can given the circumstances that I'm in and Really? It's all you can do. Right and I always like to say I don't set goals. I said intentions because like you said Sam you could have the goal and anything could come up that is out of your control that knocks you off track and is going to make it longer to reach that goal. It doesn't mean that the goal is impossible to reach and that you will never reach it, but it may just not be on your timeline. So here is my intention here are the actions. Steps that I am going to implement to achieve that and then I am going to release attachment from when specifically that happens. Yeah, flip it flip the script to be like, oh I want to lose 20 pounds, but I ended up losing 30 or Kim. I want to deadlift 300 pounds, but damn I deadlift the 310, you know, so also don't limit yourself and then you know, like we were need to wrap up here in a little bit but something else that I wanted to touch on which So important do shit you like and a man talked about this. Okay, I you are not going to stay on track. If you are trying to eat keto and your favorite food is sweet potatoes, right? So if you're not eating and exercising in a way that you enjoy you are never going to be consistent Sam you talked about this on your story is quite a bit with your I like that is what you look forward to I'm similar with my meals. Like I eat the same meals all the time because I genuinely look forward to them and I don't have cravings for a bunch of other food. That is going to get me off my plan. Do I love going to the gym everyday and lifting? No, not necessarily but I like it way more than like you would never catch me in an orange theory class or you know, sign up for a marathon because I would be miserable and I would never want to do it. So choose. The choose the way of eating the way of moving your body that feels best for you know, that the motivation will not always be there. But if you enjoy it, you're going to be way more likely to stick to it. Yeah, and also become really clear about the person that you are wanting to be in the future like really clear with yourself how you want to feel how you want your life to look all of the things because if you don't know who you want to be like you're not going to stick to anything and also become aware of Your own excuses call yourself out in your own bullshit. So, you know when you are sad that trying to you know argue with yourself about why you should or shouldn't go out for a walk. Just listen to what's going on in your head and guaranteed. You could write down if you wrote down every single excuse on a bit of paper that you had going on you'd look at it and you'd be like what the hell is that? Like that's just so you need to get good at calling yourself out on on your own crap. Yeah, I think what to cause things out I Really great quote about the concept of identity which you just mentioned and it was referring to running which you know, that may be applicable to anyone listening but I think it's a metaphor for any any type of exercise or anything staying consistent and it's when you don't feel like running remind yourself, I am a runner in runners run and when I read that I was like oh shit, you know, it's like it's not so much anything. Other than like I I am you know, if it's about lifting weights, like I am a strong person and strong people with weights, right or like I am a fit person and fit people eat vegetables or like whatever the thing is, but it's starts to talk about the identity of like the person that you want to become. What are they doing right now, you know and okay. Well if you want to be that person you have started doing those things or else you're not going to get there. So thinking about like, you know the greatest Bodybuilders, the greatest athletes the most fit people. They just keep showing up and doing the thing and that's that's it. That's really it and as the power to success it's just consistency. So yeah, can I know that this has been super helpful for you? And thank you all ladies for sharing all your insights. I think we've all had our fair share of falling off track and getting back on and learning and messing up and I think that's probably why we're all coaches because we found ways to stay on track. Rach most of the time or when we do fall off we kind of have tried to use to get back on. So I hope this has been helpful. We will be posting a little homework assignments in the Facebook group for those are those of you that are in there if you search deck Women's Wellness project on Facebook you can join will be putting in some homework around this episode. Otherwise, we will catch you on the next episode. Hope you enjoyed and please if you have not already subscribe in the iTunes Store and share this with your friends because we love love hearing from you. And yeah, can't wait to give you guys another episode soon. Bye ladies that alright that wraps up another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. 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𝐅𝐫𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐟 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬? Wishing you were seeing results faster than they are?⁣ ⁣ If so, it might be time to get honest about your consistency. ⁣ ⁣ It’s common to blame the program, when in reality, it’s most often yourself you need to point the finger at. ⁣ ⁣ So before you hop on the next latest fad or choose to give up all together, ⁣try first being 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭.⁣ ⁣⁣ Achieving a goal is the result of executing the necessary habits day after day after day. Boring? Yes. Effective? Absolutely.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ 𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐧’𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧. Instead of relying on it, create discipline by building good habits and taking action when you don’t feel like it.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Overhauling your entire lifestyle is overwhelming and you’re more likely to give up all together because it feels so hard. Pick one habit to change and work on that until it feels easy.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Find a diet and exercise program you enjoy. ⁣If what you’re doing makes you miserable, you won’t stick to it for long. Love carbs? Probably don’t want to try keto. Hate running? Training for a half marathon isn't gonna last long.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ 𝐅𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐥. Schedule your workouts and pack your gym bag the night before. Do some meal prep a few days a week so you always have healthy meals ready to go.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ 𝐃𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐥𝐞𝐭 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐦𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝. If you stay on track 80-90% of the time, you can be less than perfect 10-20% of the time and still make progress.⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨 𝐬𝐥𝐢𝐩 𝐮𝐩? 𝐅𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐤.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Celebrate every win. Those positive feelings will keep the momentum going.⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Think back on why you started this journey and remember how good it will feel once you've accomplished your goal and are finally the person you want to be!⁣ ⁣⁣⁣ ⁣⁣Tune in to the full episode for more ways you can increase your consistency.⁣ ⁣ If you haven’t already, please go ahead and rate and leave a review. Be sure to subscribe in iTunes so you never miss an episode!⁣ ⠀⁣ We love & appreciate you! 🌟Sam, Sarah, Marci, & Kim: 4 Women, 1 Mission🌟⁣ ⠀⁣ Follow Sam: @saltylifts⁣ Follow Marci: @marcinevin⁣ Follow Sarah: @sarahdufflifestyleandfitness⁣ Follow Kim: @kimschlagfitness⁣ ⁣ #stayontrack #howtostaymotivated #consistency #worryfree #WorryLessLiveMore #worryless #havefaith #faithoverfear #controlfreak #controlwhatyoucan #perspectiveiseverything #mindsetshift #fatlosstips #weightlosssupport #howtoloseweight #howtolosefat #howtogetfit #healthyhappylife #losingweightfeelinggreat #overwhelmed #stressrelief #stressfree #stressmanagment #mindsetshift #fitnessmindset #healthymindhealthybody #healthymindset --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/decadesofstrength/message

Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I'm going to be introducing you to a guest that many of you already know and respect that guest is dr. MJ from cocoa for cannabis today. Dr. MJ comes on the show to talk about what not to do while growing your own. We also touch on topics such as cannabis fads. Watering defoliation harvesting and curing this podcast is information packed. So please sit back relax and learn as always, please subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine the cheap home grow podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. We have returning guest. Dr. MJ Coco. He can be found on Twitter and Instagram at dr. MJ cocoa, and he was on the show a couple of weeks ago. He talked about stress training topping and today he comes back on the show and he is going to talk about what not to do while grown your own. Own at home. So doc. If you could could you please tell my audience a brief background about yourself? And then, you know, we can get right into the topic of conversation. And and also I just want to make mention that during this during this topic of conversation. We are going to be talking about fads water and buffering defoliation and harvest and curing so like I said doc, could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get Into the conversation from there. All right. Absolutely. Yeah. It's a pleasure to be back with you shame. My name is MJ Coco. I have a PhD and I'm a university Professor. My research has me working with Farmers. I got into growing my own cannabis actually after a referral from my rheumatologist and I got into growing in Cocoa with my background in in Horticulture. I quickly sort of understood the benefits of cocoa but saw, you know, A bunch of the information online was was unreliable. It was not accurate and oftentimes contradictory. So I ended up working with green Harvest press to publish the book Coco for cannabis at Grover's guide. And then I started the website cocoa for cannabis.com where our mission is to help Growers maximize their success by sharing proven practices and scientifically accurate articles tutorials and guides and it's a real pleasure to be on your show and try to share some of that. Same information with your listeners as well. Thank you for coming back on. I really do appreciate it. So, you know, but without any further Ado, I mean let's let's get right, you know, let's get right into the heart of the conversation. You know, what what should a grower do when excuse me? What should a grower not do when growing their own at home? Yeah, so he asked me to think about this and you know, I kind of put together some of the things that I thought were some mistakes. Yes, there's some issues that especially new Growers May sort of make or be tempted to make the first thing I wanted to say is there's a lot of fads. There's a lot of sort of growing fads or or gimmicks almost out there that you run into and a lot of Growers seem to be tempted by that. So recently I've seen fads like the the Gaslamp routine which has you provide. Very little light your plans during the vegetation or schwa thing, which has you removing practically all of the leaves during during flowering techniques like that. Those are fads sort of gimmick techniques that sort of fly in the face of basic Horticultural science. So avoid following those those fads and gimmicks and instead, you know, learn basic Horticulture. There's not really That much that's different about growing cannabis. If you understand sort of the basics of horticulture understand the medium that you're working with understand about the light and about how to use light especially in an indoor grow. Get some basic knowledge about the fertilizers and understand the different sort of regimes for providing fertilizer to your plants often times that the fertilizers are. Mixed with your water and so we refer to gating and so you should understand sort of the basics of fertigation, which is a balance. You can't put too much fertilizer in the water that will actually prevent the plants from being able to drink if you don't put enough fertilizer in the water, then they'll be under under nourished so that you know, you need to be able to learn that balance and then just the basics of training and pruning your plants. So there's Is no need for sort of radical defoliation like the schwa thing technique those things don't don't get benefits for you. If anything, they cost you significantly in terms of what you can expect to harvest so I would say yeah for Point number one would be don't follow the fads. Let's let's learn the basic Horticulture and try to you know, develop our good green thumb, right? Yeah, and so basically in other words don't do anything fancy. Just keep to the Basics exactly and those sort of fancier techniques of the two I mentioned I don't think have any credibility really whatsoever Gaslamp routine or swathing. I don't think are credible in terms of the the fundamental practices that they're based on there are some other techniques, you know, there's issues with like stressing the plants during flowering to improve the Reduction of cannabinoids I've been reading lately interesting studies about drought stressing plants and Coco. Those are sort of more Advanced Techniques to not try to experiment and in your first or second grow either you want to yeah, just get get the basics of horticulture. This is stuff that the farmers around the world have been mastering for Millennia and you know how to take care of plants. So they read your plans and understand sort of what they're telling you new Growers should try to spend some time in their Gardens every day so that they can you know, get to kind of know their plans get to understand the signals understand when their plans look happy and when they're plants look like they're struggling for different things and be able to sort of understand how to respond to those but by and large it's the basics. It's light its airflow. It's the right amount of fertilizer. It's the Right amount of water. Yeah, right sure and and I'm glad you brought up watering a very basic very basic question, you know how you know, how often should you water your cannabis plan and how much water should you know, shoot you give that plant? Yeah. This is a really a media specific question. If you're growing it's also depends on on the the size of the container that your plants are and So there's a couple different couple different issues one it let's talk about soil grows first. If you're growing in soil, the biggest issue that you have with water is probably over watering. It is soil gets pretty saturated when you water it. So when you're setting up in the first place, it's a good idea to add something to help aerate and help the drainage of your soil. That's what perlite is really the most effective way. For so most of the time good potting mixes or good soil mixes will include perlite but if you're still just getting set up with your soil grow, there's no problem with adding additional perlite to help with the drainage and that allows the the excess water to drain away and prevents you from draining from drowning the roots of your plant because Roots need both air and water. So if you have the roots completely submerged in water, They'll drown they'll die. And that's why I like if you're growing in deep water culture you need to use aeration you need to have are Stones bubbling through that water because the The Roots need both the air and the water. So the biggest problems with watering that Growers get into especially in soil is putting a small plant in a big container and then having trouble with over-watering this is One in a couple episodes ago. I talked about transplanting. Right and and this is really one of the big issues with transplanting and why it's so important to transplant especially in soil is to prevent over-watering because if you have a tiny little plant in a great big container and you water that container with water that plants not going to be able to take out very much of that water from such a big container. Its roots aren't big enough to sort of be sucking up a lot of that water. So a lot of the Just going to sit there and it's going to sit there for days and it's going to prevent the roots from getting the air that they need when the plant is much bigger. It can be in that bigger container because it's sucking up a lot of that water itself through its roots. But that's one of the reasons you want to keep your small cannabis plants in small pots because it makes it much more easy to water the plants, especially when they're young and it allows cause them to dry out much quicker in those smaller containers, which struck promotes are the same is is basically true with the small size of containers if you're growing in Cocoa, but if you're growing in Cocoa over-watering is really not a concern Coco holds onto are much better than soil dust and this is really one of the key advantages of cocoa is because even when it's Holy water even sort of just after you added water. There's enough air in the root Zone to prevent the roots from drying so Coco actually does a really great job of holding on to air and water. So the issue with cocoa is you don't want to let it get dry. So it sort of the exact opposite with soil in that regard with soil. You kind of want it to dry out again before you water again, but in Cocoa you never wanted to get totally drunk. Dry what happens when Coco gets totally dry is it leaves an increased sort of concentration of nutrients behind and because of the way the cocoa really doesn't interact or doesn't buffer nutrition that can burn your plants. So in Cocoa one of the reasons that Growers end up with tip burn oftentimes when they're growing and Coco. Is simply because they aren't watering often enough and in between waterings enough water is removed that it raises the EC of the solution and ends up burning their plants. So when it comes to watering their there really is not sort of one style if you're growing and soil you need to follow the the strategy for Effective fertigation in soil and if you're growing and Coco you need To follow the effective strategy for for growing and cocoa with both of those strategies though, if you're adding nutrients to the water, okay, whether it's organic or synthetic fertilizers, but if you are adding stuff to that water and then Watering your plants, you need to get run off every single time you water you need to water until runoff. Because otherwise the the fertilizers that you add with the water will just build up and build up and build up inside the media getting that runoff allows them to sort of flush out and and removes the excess salts that are accumulating. But if you never get that runoff, then you add water with nutrients the water evaporates. The nutrients stay behind you add more water with nutrients the water evaporates the nutrients they a bond and those nutrients are salts. And so that creates salt buildup in the media and can eventually cause either nutrient lockout or just simply nutrient Burn Let Me interrupt here when you say run off. I mean how much how much runoff are you talking about? Are you talking like, you know say like 20% Yeah 20% is a good is a good average. It doesn't have to be sort of very specific. You don't have to measure it. But if you're giving you know, and This really depends. So the rate their amounts are so different you end up using a much higher larger amount of water when you're when you refer to gaming in soil because you do it much less frequently. So it's oil you might give half a gallon to a gallon at each event to a full-size plan and then you should get you know a court if you've added a gallon of water you should get about a quart at the other end, but you don't have to measure it. You don't have to sort of be very If I can just kind of eyeball it I in Cocoa you do much smaller quantities because you do much higher frequency. And but again, it's like 20% I only water about a quart or less per event and I just want to make sure that you know, there's some well her coming out the other end of it. It doesn't have to be a lot but there should be some with watering. Hoka I mean from what I understand now, I mean this that is a medium that I've never tried but I'm from what I gather do you have to water like basically every day or every festive. Yeah. No, it's best to water every day. It's best to actually if possible. You want are more frequently than every day. I have an automatic drip system and I water during flowering five times a day just really small quantities of water the drip systems on a Time. Timer and it's all fully automated so I don't have to do really anything other than make sure there's water in the tank and make sure that the drain bucket which I have isn't full and overflowing. So but once a day watering is adequate in cocoa and yeah, you do want to be able to water it every day in soil during Peak sort of water needs you can get up to as frequently as every other day or Be every third day but you never really get all the way to every day in soil. My goal is a grower and everybody's has started different goals. Some people's goal may be to reduce the frequency that they have deferred a gate or water. My goal is to be able to fertig eight as often as possible because every time you fertig 8, it's right after you water your plants is when they have everything that they need. Lead in the exact right ratios that they need it you're able to sort of set it exactly right for them as they sit there the plants start absorbing some nutrients and they absorb nutrients and different rates. They absorb water and everything sort of is changing with the ratios. So it's drifting away from the ideal as the plants interact with the nutrient solution in us that the climate sort of interacts with the nutrient solution. So being able to sort of refresh Periodically sort of brings it back to that that ideal position. But yeah it once daily watering and if you're watering once daily, it should be right before just as the lights come on. If you're watering more frequently than that. I have actually charts that can help you figure out if you're doing multiple daily waterings sort of how to time them and how to space them given different light free light. Um, so if you're doing it on 18 6 or if you're doing it on 1212 sort of how to space out those those individual events. But yeah, you want to you want to water pretty frequently in Cocoa. Okay. All right. Um II, you know, I know that you're not a fan of defoliation. Yeah, or I guess I guess it's called I guess it's called strip strategic defoliation now, I mean what is default? Nation but but really, you know, why are you not a fan of this I guess of this fat. I mean what why is it so I guess bad in your opinion. Yeah. Well, you know, let me first by saying that there are reasons every once in a while to remove leaves to prune. So I'm not I'm not totally opposed to ever removing leaves. But what I am opposed to is the the sort of defoliation strategies that in discriminately remove leaves in what appears to be a misguided sort of effort to encourage the growth of flowers. So people talk about sort of focusing energy on bud development or focusing energy on the flower develop and and the idea seems to be that by removing leaves. It's going to expose Flowers to light and or redirect the plants energies or something along those lines and all of that sort of way of thinking about plants really flies in the face of Horticultural science. It's simply not the way sort of things work in a plant and it's important to note that there are exactly zero commercially produced crops that @ Rd foliated in an attempt to increase yield defoliation decreases yield and and there's really no question about that. Really the only crop that you could even find much on defoliation would be cotton and cotton. There's so aware that defoliation reduces yield that there's a whole science about how to default we ate and went into default. We ate so that it doesn't sort of adversely affect yield. And the only reason that they do defoliate cotton is to make it easy to machine Harvest and to harvest the cotton itself. It's not anything to promote the growth of the heart of the the crop. It's simply a harvesting preparation step. So let's let's get in if you don't mind I'll get into a little bit of a sort of the science as your of defoliation. First I will make four different points on this. The first one is flowers don't have the ability to photosynthesize. Okay. So exposing the flowers to light does not mean that they can then capture that light energy and mature flowers have some chlorophyll in them. It is true, but they don't have a sufficient capacity to really Reduce photosynthate that's used by the rest of the clan. So exposing flowers to light does nothing to promote photosynthesis. The second point that I'd like to meet there is on what's called flow. Sorry floral morphogenesis where the idea is. Okay, maybe the flowers don't photosynthesize, but maybe just being exposed to light promotes. Their development themselves, that would be the idea of floral morphogenesis. And in order for that to be true. The the flowers would have to know that they're exposed to light and there's been no photo receptor proteins found in flowers. So flowers themselves aren't sensitive to whether or not they're being exposed. to light leaves are and leaves do both of those things leaves have the ability to photosynthesize and leaves know when they're receiving light and develop differently whether or not they're receiving light flowers don't and you know, the plant science is still developing in some of these areas, but this is fairly confident science that the flowers don't respond to light the way that a lot of a lot of Home Growers sort of think that they do finally hear a lot of people think they say this idea that removing the leaves gets the plant to focus on growing flowers or somehow redirects energy. That would have gone to the leaves is now going to go to the flowers, but that confuses sort of the the flows. The energy through the plant leaves are never sinks where energy is deposited. That's not true very early in a Leafs development it acts as a sink but almost immediately when the leaf develops. It becomes a source of energy for the plant and photosynthate Flows In One Direction Z or sorry sugars flow in One Direction out of that leaf. They flow from the leaf to the rest of the plant. They never Flow the other direction. So the plant is never sort of supplying the leaf with anything other than water. It's the leaf that's applying the sugars to the rest of the plant. So leaves are sources of energy not sinks and when you cut the leaves off and when Growers do schwa thing or some people call it Bud based defoliation or other things like that often this A big sort of removal of the leaves act or shortly after the flip to 12 12. They often report that like right away their plants started a big growth spurt right after they did this they'll notice a bunch of new leaves growing and like it looks to them like, oh my God, I trimmed my plant and it went into a growth spurt as a result of that and that's actually somewhat true. However what they're witnessing. Icing is there witnessing the plant repairing the damage that they did and the plant is now forced to use spent are saved energy accumulated energy, which its stores in its roots are in the rest of the plant. It's used to burn through that energy to do more vegetative growth to produce more leaves to replace the leaves that you just cut off and that's that's sort of sapping your plant of energy that it I've been storing to help in producing the flowers and now you're using that energy to sort of allow the plant to recover from the trauma of the schwa thing or the trauma of the major defoliation. So that sort of evidence that a lot of Growers think is sort of indicates that there are defoliation generated positive response is actually their plant sort of you know, No, rating the savings account in order to recover from from this this event that it went through. So those those indiscriminate removals of a large numbers of leaves which are driven sort of by the theory that leaves are somehow a problem to the plans. Yeah, don't do that leaves are your friends. You should try to keep your leaves like I mentioned in a previous episode on Meaning even when I'm removing the growth tips early on because I'm trying to prune the shape of the plant that I want. I'll leave those leaves as long as the leaves are still getting light because as long as the leaf is getting light, it's producing energy for the plant, right? Yeah. So so basically the the leaf acts as a engine for your plan. Absolutely. Yeah. The only facts is as that engine. It's receiving the energy and it's important the Nothing I've heard about this is like the nutrients replace the energy that the leaves were providing or something along those lines that that's sort of not the way these things work either. It's really important for Growers to understand that the fertilizers are not plant food. It's really a terrible situation that we call fertilizer plant food because it gets Growers to sort of think that it's food like things that the plant eats for energy. All of the energy that powers plant growth comes from light and it's harnessed by the plant through photosynthesis, which takes place almost exclusively in the leaves. So the the nutrients that we provide aren't the food they're more like the vitamins and you simply can't replace the energy from leaves with vitamins with fertilizers only the leaves can produce that photosynthate the plant uses for its basic growth and the the nutrients that we provide only supplement that process only are these important micro and macro nutrients that are necessary for for being able to synthesize those those sugars and to be able to sort of run the basic functioning of the plant. It's not where the energy comes from. So the Energy starts it actually starts at the outlet where you plug your lights. Into or the power plant on the road, right? It comes through your lights in different lights sort of make different efficient use of that energy and then it's received by the plant through the leaves. And so the more leaves you have that are receiving light the more energy the plans going to be able to harness. That's why we try to train our plants out into that can insert table top shape where there's a lot of leaves that are just exactly the right distance. Distance from the light to be able to make maximum use of it. Okay. All right. Yeah, that's that's a that's a more than you know Fair opinion regarding Street, excuse me, regarding strategic defoliation, you know, but let's I'll tell you what let's let's move on to harvesting and curing now, what's your opinion on that? I mean what should a home grower not do there? Yeah. So I definitely think that sort of right at the end as well. A lot of really unfortunate mistakes can be made, you know, you get through the whole grow. You may have had some challenges along the way but you've gotten to the point where your plants are producing flowers and it looks like you know, you're going to have a successful Harvest and yeah, I'd like to talk about a couple of the things you can do wrong right at the end. They can sort of cost you significantly the first one is hard. Fasting too soon. And I think that you know, there's a big temptation to harvest as soon as the plants look like. They're ready to start smoking and start using and it really can be as sort of yield costing but but more potency costing mistake to harvest too early. And this is one of the reasons actually that I think that home grown cannabis. Is better than dispensary cannabis because in a commercial setting there's an incentive to harvest quickly and sort of turn over the crop and get a new crop in there and and keep the turnover and production time down and as a result, they probably Harvest most commercial cannabis a little bit early because they don't want to wait for it as a home grower. You can afford to you know, wait those extra few days your extra week or two. And let the the Cannabis flowers really mature properly. So I think the only effective way to know when to harvest is by checking your trichomes through a microscope or a Jeweler's loupe or some sort of magnification and in general. I think it's easiest to cut samples off of your plant and bring them to your desk. Table or someplace else like that where you can inspect them properly. It doesn't have to be a large sample. You can just take a little tissue sample almost like going to the doctor and getting a tissue sample taken just take a really small cut off of the plan and look at it under a little microscope or look at it under your Jeweler's loupe. But trying to do it on to the the plant as the plant is growing is very difficult to get sort of an accurate read and a good picture of what's going on. Make sure that you're looking at the buds themselves. So make sure you're looking at trichomes that are growing on calyxes not trichomes that are growing on sugar leaves. Okay, the sugar leaves that grow and about the the buds those trichomes will turn before the trichomes on the buds themselves turn. So your listeners may not know this but The trichomes are the little mushroom shaped organs, which is where most of the cannabinoid production in a cannabis plant actually takes place and early in the flowering period they're going to be clear and when they're clear is actually when they're producing cannabinoids as they sort of reach Peak production. They turn Amber or sorry, they turn sort of a cloudy color first and that cloudy color is are you want to you want to be able to harvest them? I try to harvest my plans when all of my trichomes are cloudy and that's when they have Peak cannabinoid quantities. The best ratio usually have THC to CBN and it hasn't started to degrade when you start to see Amber trichomes the tops of the little mushrooms actually turn. A dark amber color that's an indication that that trichome has gone too far. It's going to have a higher percentage of CBN, which is not it's not CBD that I'm talking about its THC degrades into CBN and that it's what you don't usually want that. It's not sort of getting more CBD sometimes Growers think that the ratio of THC to CBD is set by the genetics of this train. It's not set by the time period in which you Harvest it but if you harvest your high THC strains too late, a lot of that THC is now broken down into CB n which is a less desirable cannabinoid. So you want to get them before they turn Amber, but after they've they've turned cloudy sometimes it's a tough balance to split because you'll have On Any Given plant. You'll have some clear and some cloudy and some Amber. I do a pretty quick flush because I grow in Cocoa. So I wait until I see an Amber trichome on a calyx not on a Sugar Leaf again, and then I'll start the flush and usually after that by the time that the flushes ended there aren't any clear left there the vast majority of them are cloudy trichomes with maybe a few Amber and that's when I harvest so So you want to wait, sometimes it takes a long wait, I recently grew a plant that was supposed to be a 7-week flowering plant and it took 74 days before I harvested it. Wow. Yeah, it was over 10 weeks. It was supposed to be seven weeks and I kept having a me. I kept checking. I kept waiting. I kept checking and you don't harvest the plant because the breeder timeline is up. You don't harvest the plant because it The time that you thought don't harvest the plant based just on looking at the pistols the little hairs. It is true that if the plant has a lot of white little hairs. It's probably not ready yet. But sometimes all the hairs can curl in and turn dark and still take a week or two before the trichomes can can fully could turn so it's worth it to invest in a little microscope. I got a microscope for like 12 bucks or something and to watch watch your buds to make sure you're harvesting at the right time. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know, you said what 74 days? Yeah that's on 1212 time. Then we were only actually flowering I think for 68 days, but still it was supposed to be flowering 449. So a solid three weeks you no longer than what it was supposed to be which as the seven weeks train that's like 50 percent longer than advertised. Um, so you got to be aware that there's a lot of phenotypic variation most of the seeds that were buying that breeders advertisers having one set of traits that may be true for some of the phenotypes of that that seed but they're not phenotypically steady. They don't have F1 homogeneity and most cannabis strains so different phenotypes and and that was a phenotype that was on much longer flowering period . Time which is really something you should be aware of and almost expect with cannabis seeds these days is that you've got to be aware of what the plant is doing and it's not just going to be sort of based on a formula or a timeline or anything else. Now after the Harvest comes the curing of your cannabis, so and you know, I mean what I tell you what what are your what are your thoughts there? Yeah curing is probably where carrying is what separates started? The best bud from everything else. It's it's what you know makes top shelf bud and no matter what you start the curing process with if you don't cure. Well, you're not going to end up with top shelf. But so the the process the first you want to dry your plant there's different ways to dry it. You can dry it on a rack or you can I just hang my branches upside. Down you want to keep the the climate as sort of consistent during the dry as possible. I try to keep it at 50% humidity and 70 degrees with just a little bit of air flow and then depending on the size of the buds and to spending on sort of the specific parameters of when of you know the humidity and the temperature that you're drying at it'll take anywhere from two to Six days to dry that sort of that first step. I usually Jarred up and sort of move from drying to curing when the smallest buds are still sort of putting up a little bit of a fight when you try to pull them off the branch if the smallest buds sort of pull right off the branch then it's dried too far if they were still really putting up a fight then. Not dry enough, but if they kind of come off, but they're sort of pulling a string with them when they come off. That's about the right there. I'd agree. Some of the smaller branches should now sort of almost snap when you go to fold them instead of just be pliable. They should sort of more snap. But again, it's just two or three days in most climates that you want to drive them and then I put them into quart size. Jars corn size Widemouth jars and I weigh out one ounce usually for each jar that keeps the right amount of sort of Bud and are within the jar. I seal up the jars. I only have one good hygrometer. And ie I recommend that you get a good hygrometer. I have the the caliber for which is sort of the standard. It's sold primarily. For for humidors for cigars, but it's a small little device that you can fit easily into the Cure into the quart sized jar with your buds and you get a reading I'd like them to start at about 65% So oftentimes, you know, I can just sort of gauge it based on the dry and no and get them into the jars and I'll end up right around 65% Send relative humidity when the temperature again is about 70 degrees. Um, and if it's higher than that, then I'll either leave the jars open for a while or I'll dump the buds back out for a while and then join them up and see if they can get them down to that 65-degree are 65% number if it's lower than that, what I'll do is I'll actually cut pieces of the stem from the Aunt that, you know the buds came off of I'll cut up pieces of the stem because the stem still holds a lot of moisture and I'll just add those pieces of stem into the Cure jar. Usually it only takes a few hours for that those pieces of stem to successfully sort of raise the humidity and the jars up enough. I know a lot of people use the the Boveda human impacts or other these sort of you know, Don't I guess I don't have a huge problem with them. I've just found them to be unnecessary and I'd rather if my bud needs to be rehydrated. I'd rather rehydrate it with water that came from like inside the cannabis plant that's in the stems as opposed to water that was like in some sort of desiccant pack, you know for a while. It just seems better and once they're stable so I try to get them to 65% That's Of my my initial goal on my jars and I try to get them there within 48 hours which never usually is a problem. Even if it takes a while even if it takes like adding sticks and taking sticks out and hearing out the jar or whatever after 48 hours. I can get all my jars to be 65% and stable by themselves no more sticks or anything in there that will ya now Doc. I mean now why why 65% I mean, what's the You know, what's the reasoning behind that? Well, the the Cannabis is going to cure the best between 60 and 65 percent. Okay, you want it? Basically what a cure is a really slow dry such that preserves sort of the the structure and promotes the distribution of the oils and the cannabinoids. So you want to allow the Cannabis to sort of stay in a stable temperature. Mature or sorry to stable while temperature and but really humidity for a long period of time with a periodic but not very frequent are exchanged and that promotes the the buds to just sort of set up and and cure any higher than that risks mold. So if you're up in the high 60s to the low 70s RH that for certain reasons And that would actually be better but the risk is that you're going to develop mold and nobody wants that right. Nobody wants to sort of grow their plants out and then put them in jars and get the moldy and have it be unuseful. So it's not worth the risk of going above 65 and if you're if it is above 65, I always try to get it down to 65 quickly. If it's drier than 60 the buds will dry out too much. They'll be um too crumbly and it can actually adversely affect taste as the terpenes aren't well preserved and it can adversely affect strength or potency as the cannabinoids can degrade quicker. So keeping him in The Sweet Spot of 60 to 65. It is really ideal and that's that's sort of in perpetuity than you want. To keep them at that range 65 is where I try to keep them initially for the Cure and for the first several weeks. They cure. I keep them pretty high like that. But by the end of the Cure and for long-term storage, I like to keep them right at 60 61, you know, 59 is fine and I'm able to do that just by keeping the jars closed like I don't have to add the Boveda packs it sort of happens and a natural progression if I start them. It's 65 by the end of the Cure they'll be at like 63 and by the end of the Cure. I mean at the end of the first month because for that first month, you should be burping your jars every day. Sometimes twice a day to sort of keep the humidity for the first month. I'm rotating my hygrometer to all my different jars and I'm writing down their numbers every day, but after that month, they'll be at you know, 62, maybe 63 And over the next couple of months. I only opened the jars maybe once a week maybe once every other week and eventually once a month or not even once a month and they'll be stable at that 60 61 percent number for up to a year if I'm going to keep the bud for more than a year. I'll freeze it but for within a year, I just keep them in the jars and it's able to keep that that stable. Oil at that range for a really long period of time. All right. Well doctor we talked about fads watering defoliation harvesting and curing you know, is there anything else that you want to touch upon or is that is that as I pretty much it that seems like a lot of ground I think for one episode. Yeah. No, I imagined that you know people may have some things to say about some of the stuff that I said particularly about defoliation. I know that opinions runs strong on some of these topics Shane and people have their their you know, their practices and their their ideas about how their practices work and you know without they work better than other things and I don't I don't want to sort of offend anybody with any of this. I'm just trying to sit in the shed some light from the science of of horticulture and sort of What we'd have to say about some of these practices but you know, I have a I have a lot of love for all of the different Growers and all their different styles and strategies and one of the things that I really love about, you know, the the grow journals on our forum is just seeing how people are able to grow and in such radically different ways and how really resilient these cannabis plants are so that's maybe another good good lesson for Growers. To understand is we're growing a plant. That's really remarkably resilient. It's a good growing plant that there's a reason people call it weed. It grows sort of really well. So it provides a lot of room for grower error. It provides a lot of room for us to experiment with different training techniques and different styles. So nobody should feel bad about anything that they've done. Nobody should feel, you know, inadequate or Or uneducated or anything like this. This is part of the process. We learn by growing we learned by sort of getting involved and we learn hopefully also sometimes by listening to cheap homegirl podcasts. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. Alright. Alright. Well doctor MJ. Listen, I do, you know, as always I along with my listeners. We appreciate you coming on the show and you know, I hope to talk to you again soon. We you know, We really do appreciate what you have to say here. Absolutely Shane. It's been a pleasure. I'd be happy to be back on the show again. 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On today's show, I have returning guest Dr. MJ from CocoForCannabis. Dr. MJ comes on the show today to discuss what he thinks you should no do while growing your own at home. In addition to that, Dr. Mj and I discuss certain fads aka trends he thinks you should stay away from when growing. He also touches on watering, defoliation, harvesting, and curing. This episode is information packed so please sit back, relax and learn. Also, please remember to subscribe.

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Well, I don't know how to handle the tweet that they put out this morning about something where you said. I have no inside info. This is just a feeling that Andrew Luck is going to be the starting quarterback for the Las Vegas team in the XFL in 2020. Where did that come from Florida? You have a big brain? You don't just make things up not me XFL in the NFL Las Vegas Raiders like yeah the law. Oh, oh you think he's good? Oh my God. I thought I read that. I thought it was an extra felt. Why do you think he's going to be a quarterback for the Raiders in Las Vegas? Well, I think Derek Carr is not going to be the quarterback of the Team next year, I think they seriously considered finding another quarterback this year Mike Mayock the GM of the team basically said so when explaining why they kicked tires on calamari and Dwayne has seen before the draft. Basically, there's an obligation to constantly look for upgrade. And if you find one at quarterback got to take you got to do what's right for the team and I just don't think Derek Carr and Jon Gruden was ever a good fit. I think they've tried to make it a fit. I don't think it works and I think they're going to look for whatever's out there and I could see a guy like Jon Gruden getting obsessed with the idea of trying to talk to and Ulla outer tire Malik, it wouldn't be easy to do the Colts to hold his rights and a lot of dominoes would have to follow the right way for it to happen. But it's what he wants to come back. I mean the Colts have you probably percent. I don't see the Colts turning aside or benching for set just because luck all of a sudden decide you want to come back and if they could get some sort of value and Trey everybody moves on and this all hinges on what wanted to come back after a year out of football, but I could see Gruden being very Relentless in trying to make it happen if he wraps his Around the idea of getting a veteran quarterback a smart guy who'll be able to handle Gruden's offense and a guy who'll be sufficiently thick skin that he can take whatever abuse verbally Bruton wants to throw at, you know, rude and likes to abuse his quarterbacks because that's his way of simulating game condition. So actually when they're on the football field, it's a relief because they don't have to listen to Gruden and car isn't I believe strong enough to take that and I think that's what's doing that relationship from the start. I'm kind of surprised its lasted two years, but no If the Raiders are going to look around why wouldn't you call the Colts and see what it would take to get Andrew Luck if Andrew Luck to have his mind changed and come back and play and you know to be on the team going into Las Vegas again, if he wants to come back his being away from a year from football for a year has reignited as far for him. It would be a it just makes too much sense to not happen if he decides that he's ready to come back. This is so interesting me because I was thinking about going and kicking for a team I chatted with you about that a little bit and I talked to Chris Ballard after it all came and my knee blew up and I decided I'm going to the media World here and he said he's at now if you were going to go kick somewhere that said somewhere it was going to have to pay for you, but he said to me so I couldn't even fathom what it would be if Andrew Luck was the if he was to give up Andrew Luck's rights to another team. That would have to be I mean, I would have to be a pretty massive giveaway. And I don't know if they do they have it. I guess they do because the governor Khalil Mac to get rid of them like Cooper do they have enough Pieces to potentially make that play. Well, I mean the question becomes how reasonable are they willing to be given that they do know, they feel a debt of gratitude to Andrew Luck and if he if he doesn't play for someone else and never have anything for right and all I have to do is show up like Brett Favre did in 2008 when they were ready to go with Aaron Rodgers and say Here I Am deal with me and then you got a problem. You have to figure out what you're going to do. It's so if he's determined to play it again, that's the biggest factor in all of this if he decides he wants to play. The Colts I think would be wise to try to maybe spark an auction get a couple of teams at the table. But the thing is you know for quarterbacks are going to be a little picky about where they want to go. This is an Andrew Luck coming out of retirement if he would ever choose to do it to just come out of retirement play for anyone it would have to be the right spot. And when you look at what Gruden has done historically with with veteran quarterbacks guys, like Rich Gannon and Rich Gannon was never anything close to Andrew Luck before he got connected with Jon Gruden. I just there's just this weird I could just see Gruden wanting to do it. I could see that the force of Personality doing everything he could to try to make it happen, but you're right. They have to give up something probably significant. I don't know that it would take a first-round pick. But you know if your quarterback situation is unsettled. Would you ship a first round pick to the Colts for Andrew Luck if you know, he's really coming back and he wants to stay and he's really serious about playing I'd strongly consider doing it. I mean if I'm looking for a quarterback. Anyway, I'd rather get a guy that I can play that I'm rolling the dice on I just feel like it's going to be more than a first-round pick personally. I could be wrong, you know more than I do but for me, I feel you know, not who knows who knows what you know, Chris Powell is to draw a line in the sand and say no way in hell or and Jim irsay could get involved and say we're not releasing his right. He plays for us replays for no one if you want to come back he's playing for the cold. So we will put you Kobe percent on the bench. Okay. Hey say say hello to the good boy back there for me. But yeah, that's that's made the yeah. She's a good girl. She just likes to bark when she hears me talking Wild. I'll tell Mason I said hello and I my dog had to go to the vet last night. So I got her taken care of had an allergic reaction Daddy Day Care of this morning. His mom's out of town had to make sure the house didn't go up in Flames was from all the animals. I can absolutely feel. Alright, I want to fire a couple questions that you before we let you go. I know you're very busy. Thank you for getting on here. Jason Garrett. He's done after this year, right? Yeah. I think he's got to take the Cowboys at least to the NFC Championship. Game. Haven't been there since 1995. I don't see it happening. I don't see them winning on the road against the team like the Saints the 49. The Seahawks I think he's going to be done and then who knows what Gary's going to do next? Maybe liar? Urban Meyer? Okay. All right, is is Tom Brady going to leave the Patriots as you going to retire? What do you think's going to happen with Tom? He seems more upset than he has in the past and is Josh McDaniels the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys with Tom Brady is quarterback for the Cowboys a possibility. Oh God, that would be something wouldn't it? I don't think the Cowboys are ready to bench that Prescott that were move on from him. Look, I think I think that that You know all the signs are there suggesting the Tom Brady's frustrated and that maybe it is time to move on. I think he'd like to walk away with a Super Bowl championship. The question becomes is he willing to just go somewhere else and make a money grab if there isn't that clear opportunity to win a Super Bowl because I can't find a spot for him where I would feel like he's definitely going to be in the mix unless Drew Brees retires and the Saints decide. They want to do it for you or Tom Brady before they handed over to Teddy Bridgewater assuming that they can evaluate Brady and conclude that he's still good enough. I mean how much The offensive struggles are on his shoulders. I don't know because you know, it's yeah, it's it feels like sacrilege to say that Tom Brady may not be as good as they used to be but the guys 42 and maybe some of the performance this year is on him. But you know a team like the charters they've got to do something to attract fans in La whether it's Cam Newton whether it's Tom Brady and again, I don't know that Brady's going to want to make a money grab but if I'm the Chargers and Bradys available, I've got to consider that because he's gonna sell a ton of jerseys a ton of It's and this team is struggling to compete with the Rams in that market and getting a guy like Bray even for a year or two. He still says he wants to play to his 45 or Beyond getting him for a year or two ago a long way toward helping the Chargers establish a footprint analysis. We've been on the charger strain since the beginning for Tom Brady. Not sure what's going to happen will be exciting to watch it. Okay, let's pivot Ron Rivera became the second quarter by our coach fired this season who's going to be the third and will there be another firing you think during the season? I don't know. There's going to be another one during a season full. Of course, we didn't expect. Under there to get fired during the season. There are plenty of guys who are on the hot seat. I think Pat's drummer is going to be gone when the season's over for the Giants. I think Freddy kitchens needs to be very concerned about his future in Cleveland. I think one year's enough for them to come to the conclusion that he's butting up against the ceiling that he's just not going to be able to bust through in the models Garrett incident and it doesn't help when it's time to figure out is touching the right guy for the job. And now it Rivera's available Pat with a month to go some of these teams are considering. Hey, is there an upgrade out there Ron Rivera has he got that they need to consider. Enter and all due respect is ready kitchens, but between Rivera and kitchens, I'm taking Rivera seven days out of a week. All right. Well, that's most of the days of the week. I'm guessing. Mr. Florio. You can listen to them in the morning. You can listen to his podcast. You can read about them on pro football soccer Legend your pies on did you see the Irishman? Yeah, I said I'd watch the last hour of it. That's a fight man. Yeah that did for three hours three and a half hours. What does the human being do for more than three hours at a time other than sleep right. I watch the hours long. I did it. I want a lot of vitamins were had but I did in one sitting you Italians. I'll tell you what you guys had your hands in everything in this country's history. Hey, let me take a book is awesome to I read the I read the book earlier this year and I highly recommend the book. The book is better than idea, sir. It's always better than the movie but I heard you paint houses is a great great book and the movies where I see nothing so far has been really good. I just can't find time to watch the last hour. I would like to let you know that on today's podcast Pat makgeolli show 2.0. We interviewed Michael franzese in an hour-long conversation. He was a made man in the Colombo Colombo family during that time. He said it old Frankie is lying about it. He didn't kill Hoffa so there seems to be some lies being told in that whole thing, but I enjoyed the entertainment level. Have a lot we gotta get to a break. You got to get to a podcast. I can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen pro football talks Mike, Florida. Hey, bro, we are being joined now by the best ball Striker I've ever seen University of Texas grad handsome opera singer Baltimore Ravens kicker has the highest field goal percentage in the history of the NFL ladies and gentlemen big trust Justin Tucker. What a stirring in Thanks, man. Thanks for having me. Hey, I tried my best. How are you feeling? You got to be living large. You hit a beautiful ball to get a big win for your Ravens team. That was a slug Fest in a downpour this past weekend. Yeah, man, we're all stuck coming into this game. We knew the you know, the stakes are high and you know, we're starting to play December football and everything that we're working for you. I mean, you know, you've been a part of some very very good teams yourself, you know, you get to a point in the season where everything Starts to matter more and more and more each and every day. So to come out of this game against a very very good and talented 49ers team and for us to put together a complete game and get a win is definitely Big Time For Us heading into December. Hell, yeah, man, you guys are crushing it in all three phases. I mean granted Sam Cooke doesn't show up much done to get called much. But when he does he executes at a very high level. I mean your team right now is hot and that there was a candid moment that was caught on the sidelines between Harbaugh and Lamar we're live. Our was basically being told by hard by that. Hey in 20 years from now 15 years from now kids are going to be wearing the number eight all over the place because of you and then he said that's why they love you and he said I love you to Cochise why I said they but I also love you. It seems like your team's chemistry right now is at an all-time high for Mark Ingram to everybody else. It feels like that team in you guys really care about each other. That's an X Factor that I don't think it's talked about enough. Definitely dude. Yeah, this is a Brotherhood man. This is a family as much as I've been a part of in my time. Playing professional football man. I've been a been lucky enough to be a part of some really really great teams, you know got a chance to win a Super Bowl my rookie year and this team that you know, we have right now has all the makings and all the potential to do great things. You know, it's and it also helps that we we all genuinely care about each other, you know with what we're doing on the field and off the field as well. I mean, you know stuff that's not going to be talking about nearly as much as what Doing on the field is you know this time of year Thanksgiving, you know and Christmas coming up, you know the stuff that guys are doing off the field like Brandon Carr with you know, holiday helpers and lip buddies and you know, that's just one example, I could probably come up with like a at least a dozen of them. But you know, if one guy has an event and we're trying to give back to his community, you know, and they asked hey who's available who can come and support there will be you know. 20 guys at least at each one of these events that you know, one of our teammates is putting on and I think that speaks to the camaraderie that we have the Brotherhood that we share and you know, when you have that in addition to you know, the talents of the guys like Lamar Jackson and Marshall Ian and Earl Thomas and Sam Cooke and you know, all you add that all together and you have a chance to do something really special and Justin Tucker. I mean, I'll let you do that. I got you what has been the biggest difference in Lamar Jackson you think from last year to this year aside from your team buying in and getting the three tight ends and making it much different style of offense just personally both on the field and off the field. What is Lamar Jackson change from last year to this year. He has captivated the world right now many are considering him the best player on the planet right now the most athletic person he walks on any field. What does he change the most you think in the last year that you've seen from inside a locker room? Yeah, I would say first of all I would certainly agree with you. That he is absolutely one of the most dynamic players I've ever had the privilege of seeing up close and in person, you know some of the stuff he's doing week in and week out is you know, it's unbelievable. I feel like every single week he's got, you know, at least one or two or three plays where you know, the whole stadium is just shocked at what he's doing but you know the I don't really know if there's a, you know some significant difference from last year to this year. I mean You look at last year. We won what like Ada or seven out of our last like eight or nine games or whatever the numbers are, you know, and that's largely, you know due to the fact that Lamar Jackson is playing really well for us, you know, so as far as there being any sort of significant difference from last year to this year, you know, I I don't know man. I just saw he's I think from the moment he came in he was playing Well, and you know, like you said it seems like we're you know as an organization doing so much to bring out the best, you know, not only in him but everybody around him and you know this whole team so yeah, man, I I'll just leave it at that. I think he's a winner and he's he started proving that right off the bat and he's obviously continuing to do so this year. It's really cool to see up close and in person that's Before to see a guy hasn't changed especially with all the success and it's only going to keep continuing. I couldn't even fathom the amount of commercial opportunities. He's going to get this upcoming offseason. He's about to get broken off by everybody and he I don't think it's gonna matter because of how athletic he is. Let's talk about you a little bit. You're going to be a Hall of Famer and that's something that is not easy to accomplish as a kicker your guy who has stepped up in big situations and been able to rise to the occasion, which is very important in a kicking world the difference between good and great and kicking his consistency. You've been the most consistent guy in the history of the NFL. FL what is going through your mind before you kick a ball or you completely empty brand or you have thoughts and triggers that you're thinking about? Yeah, man, you know it kind of varies from it kind of varies from kick to kick to be perfectly honest, you know, sometimes I might be feeling just a little bit more whatever those feelings are, you know, I could be feeling nervous or even scared or excited or confident or a combination of all of those things all at the same time in varying degrees from kick the kick. You know, I've been I've been saying this for the last however long all of those feelings there. They're important to acknowledge that there are there so you can put them aside and focus on the task at hand at the end of the day. The only thing that really matters in those moments is hardly what you're feeling but it's those 1.3. Some odd seconds between the snap the hold in the kick and just putting the ball through the uprights. Oh and you know that's it's a little bit easier said than done, you know, you can you know, you can talk about, you know focusing but you you have to focus on focusing. It's like this super meta concept that you know, I think the true greats that have played this position or you know anything similar to it, right like you know that like the greatest kickers. Of all time like the morn Anderson's and adamant Aires and the greatest closers and baseball like Mariano Rivera and you could you could go on and on with you know, the guys who perform well in quote unquote clutch situations crunch time situations, you know, I think every single one of those guys would probably say something similar, you know, there's you know, there's feelings you got to put them aside and you just got to focus on your Technique. Eek, you know focus on the action and not the consequence and we've been fortunate enough to do that at a high enough level where we've converted and I emphasize. We you know Morgan cock Sam Cooke and and myself and everybody blocking for us over the years. We've made a lot of kicks because we've you know, kept it as simple as possible, but it's that whole simple as not easy thing. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that was by the way nice little trip into the brain there. The guy who is going to be you're going to be studied in the future. I hope you know that and that's something that I assume you appreciate and enjoy your in the moment. You can't really think about it going out for that Niners game winner. It seemed like there was a little left to right wind. What was the thought going in there? Yeah, so we pick out a small Target line through the uprights based on everything that we can gather in pregame and throughout the game for that matter. So going to the left of our bench pretty much the whole game. There was a driving rain with a left-to-right wind. What's actually kind of in a sense kind of nice about the fact that it was raining consistently throughout the game as you can see the which direction the wind is going. And normally you can't do that in our Stadium. You just kind of have to feel it and hope that you're right when you line one up and you know, try to kick it through so being able to see which direction the the raindrops are flying across the uprights certainly helped us in picking are aiming point but we have you know this - of jumbotrons on either end of the stadium and when we're kicking field goals. They have a Graphic put up on there. That just says M&T Bank Stadium and there's you know, the it's a like a black background with white lettering and Sam and I picked out the right edge of the D, which would have been the left third of the uprights. So given the conditions with you know, the rain and the field was pretty chewed up at that point. It's just about staying light on your feet getting your AIDS in and out of the ground with the plant foot contacting The Sweet Spot in the ball as best as possible and trying to hit that right edge of the letter D there on the scoreboard and that's you know, that's that's what we did and we got out of there with a you know, a very big win for this program. Yeah, massive when I don't mean it's small Miss small aim small Miss small. That's the whole game. I love that we Vinny and I say him a drunk guys, but I definitely Hymns. Sorry for interrupting. But I just want to let you know that the holiday season is now in full swing and as fun as it is to eat good food and spend time with the family all the cooking gift shopping and traveling can be downright exhausting. But don't you worry about it? CBD MD has you covered with a powerful sleep product that can help you get the quality rest. You need to survive the holidays. 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That's something that I don't think a lot of people know about your holders like your caddy and a holder can make it go and miss a kick for you two. I don't think a lot of people know that I explained that during the Alabama kick this past week in the ball was leaning towards the kicker. He's handicapping that kicker at a massive right there. Well, I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right when you say the the kicker or the holder rather is similar to the you know, that have a caddy on the golf course. I mean when you have a guy, you know, like You have a kind of like myself. I'm like a, you know bouncing like a balloon on a string type of personality, you know, and then Sam absolutely balances me out and you know having having those just the personalities, right, you know having that balance out there is important, you know, like Sam will you know out on the practice field he'll be he'll either fire me up or call me down or whatever he needs to do to get me to put the ball through the Most and you know Sam being able to you know, Sam just being that guy and also being incredibly skilled at what he does as a you know, this as a punter and a holder, you know, that's not like a 80/20 job. It's a you know, it's a 100 100 job Sam being able to catch with his hands in poor conditions and spot the ball consistently. Only you know with each and every kick is something that I don't think any of us around here and take for granted and I certainly do not well, you know, the wolf pack is very impressive over there you Cox and cook our a tag team had triple a triple threat. That is honestly something that hasn't been matching this NFL. It's been fun to watch a couple quick questions for you. Let you go Anthony to go. Yo here digs was wondering if you go to Texas you just automatically get Matthew McConaughey's number. You know, it's funny. I did I've met him a couple times super nice guy very down-to-earth really really cool and met him a couple of times in Austin at you know, various events, like he and Mack Brown and Jack Ingram have this great charity group Mac Jack McConaughey, and I've been to their event over a weekend and the work that they do is really really great, you know, helping a lot of kids out, but, you know got getting a chance to meet him a kind of shoots a bolt. With with him a couple of times and even at practices when I was playing at Texas, he would you know, he would come around and be at practice and share word with us, but you know having had a chance to meet him meet him a handful of times and then this preseason running into them in Washington, which I don't know. I don't know I need to ask him about that. Like how are you a fan of the the Washington Redskins? You know, you're a you're a Texas guy like that doesn't add up to me. Well, we'll have to figure that one out. Are you questioning McConaughey? I believe that I am. Yeah, we're gonna have to we're going to have a conversation about that but no having a having a having chance to you know, meet him and you know know that he is a supporter of the Texas Longhorns and everybody that's come through there. It's really cool man. That's beautiful Tasha might want to know because it has been talked about a lot a lot a lot but it has been mentioned a couple times. You're an incredibly talented Opera. Or is that something could you do any style of singing and are you going to release a record or to you know the whole me singing opera and everybody wants to tag along or you know add on to that the he sings opera and seven different languages and I just want to put it out there, you know, cuz you guys have like a massive following so maybe this will actually stick this time because I've said it a couple of times before but being able to sing in like a the classical Style. It's you know, people just want to say sing opera but it's really if I wanted to get specific and Technical I would say it's the bel canto style of singing and singing in that style in 7 different languages is actually like super common. Like it's actually probably the standard it would probably be closer to eight languages and like so if if I was at you know while I was at the University of Texas taking voice lessons and earning My degree in music and all that stuff, right? I could be walking through the butler School of Music and swing my backpack in a circle and I would hit 10 musicians that are like significantly more talented than I ever could be. So I think the fact that I happen to kick a kick a ball straight A lot of the time and seeing in what people think is like a lot of languages. I guess. It's kind of I guess it's pretty cool. I did a lot of people that are better at singing or music than you but you didn't hit a single person. That's probably the best of all time at a different thing and also do that stop underselling yourself. I can't even speak seven different accents and languages. Well, you know, you might be right with part of that like yeah, like I'm not gonna I don't think many of the other music students at Texas were as good at kicking a ball as I was. Could you sing like, let's say Say whenever you're done here and what 10 years however long it is an old Justin Tucker wants to do a country album. Is that something that you see in your horizon, or are you done with it only to do it for special occasions? I'm kind of just going wherever the wind takes me at this point man, you know one foot in front of the other and every other cliche I could come up with and I say, you know, wherever the wind takes me that's usually where ever my son Easton and my wife Amanda are you know wanting to go and oftentimes? It's Chick-fil-A One support lay, so I'm just going to go to go to Chipotle get quesadillas and guac was with when my little guy and enjoy that as you know as that becomes more of a More and more of a thing towards the quote-unquote back nine of my career, but it's funny, you know over the last like year. I don't know why but over the last year I've been asked more and more about the end of my career and I'm like dude. I'm so hopefully I'm still on like the front nine, you know, I'm still chasing the you know, like the goat Adam and Morton and you know, John Carney like Matt Stover Phil Dawson those guys all you know put Other 20 plus years of high high quality football mean. Yeah, I'll just I'll just keep I'll keep singing in the in the car and in the shower until I'm you know at your 20, you know, knock on wood that I knock on wood. If you're with me man, maybe I can get their way. I can't thank you enough when you do that album. I'm excited for it. I don't care what year it is. I'll probably be retired again at that point, but ladies and gentlemen best kicker in the game a guy who wins game. Ames is going to have to win some here down the stretch. I assume it's going to get close. Good luck in the playoffs Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker. Thank you, buddy. Thanks for having me bro here. Hey, man, you still there? Yeah, you look thinner than you've ever looked is that I look I look thinner. See ya fitter. I should say fitter instead of film better. Yeah. I'm still I'm still at like 180 3.0 man. I know maybe it's I've been I've been trying new stuff like trimming up the beer to certain way, you know. That probably that was it. That's it. Alright, thank you. Talk. Appreciate you. All right, you gotta Pat later, dude. Yeah, he's so good at kicking. Yeah, you gotta focus on focusing. I think we just talked about this yesterday. Literally. Yeah, they literally just talked about this yesterday because we did the next foul ball tossing and a lot of people are asking how many takes was it was seven is that it was seven takes and the first six I was just throwing it right. I was just throwing it trying to get it in and then on the seventh one, I was like, alright actually try to get it in here like that. Was like actually try to get in there. So you tell yourself to actually Focus. That's a very interesting thing to hear him say that because it literally just happened two days ago. What a good conversation with that guy by the way, he's going to be the country musician at some point. Somebody's got to talk them into it. Might as well might as well. He's from Texas. He has the look but a ball cap on him for sure. He in the offseason he kick balls and make a few million singing country songs. So matter sell it to everyone in Baltimore Baltimore we weren't in country until That's or trigger. That's unbelievable started singing. He is so good at kicking loss. So good at it, you know every time he goes out there. It's going to be a big and that's and when he misses it's big news, like when he misses he actually has to have a press conference about correct like the last couple times. He's missed they've called him in for press conferences. Like what happened. He's like, I just miss it. What are you are you? Okay? Are you okay? That's what he missed an extra point or something last year and he literally had to have a press conference about why he missed it. He was like, I don't know man. I'm sorry. I'd like 99.9% Sam Cooke very good. Morgan Cox. Very good that Baltimore Ravens seem very very very good there at Buffalo this weekend. He's gonna have some tough conditions up their bills. Mafia. Buffalo is plus five and a half this weekend against the Ravens. How do we feel about it? I don't like it. You like Buffalo plus 5 and 1/2 think so. All right. Let me hear why I don't know if I have read Baltimore big spread last week. I feel like it could be a kind of a similar game bad conditions and buffalo tight Buffalo plays everyone tight Josh. Down look good last week five and a half. A lot of points. It is was five and a half Point home dog. I don't know buffaloes been very good. Yeah, they have been very good under the radar sneaky good to write everybody including us. We didn't talk about him that much as much as we probably should have because we have a lot of fans and muffled. Yeah. I want to know we appreciate the bills Mafia always give a lot of credit the bills Mafia who stuck with this team and it seems like this year. It's all paying off for them. It seems like the Buffalo Bills are in actual Squad now granted Jerry world was up in arms are whenever they get the wind down there, but they just - Allen's playing. Well, that defense is good. If that defense can stop Lamar Jackson then it's going to be close game, right? That's kind of the way it goes. But if you can't stop Lamar Jackson and by stopping Lamar Jax, I mean slow him down, right? You're not going to stop. I mean last we get a hundred and a hundred and they slowed him down technically. So he's gonna do well six minute 30 second drives to and everything like that. I mean, it's just it's only a matter of time before Lamar Jackson pops one off, but that Buffalo Bills team has been playing very well up there. Do I really do? I think the Ravens are Six points better. Yes. Yeah, but can the Ravens have a down week after an emotional game against the 49ers Act and the bills have three more days to prepare possibly plus 5 and a half is a lot. I'm not betting it. I'm gonna wait for meals or 14th against the rush to so I could see them having a lot more problems against this team than we think the bills are 14th against Russia. Okay, so that means Ravens probably going to do. Well number one Raven hammer and Ravens Ravens are 4-1 and one against the spread away games as well great stats boys. He's made my choice. I just flipped completely then 10 seconds. I interrupt this incredible conversation to let you know that Mark re this selling app has made it super easy for real people to sell and ship their unused things. 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ER C AR I download and sell your shit make some money off that stuff. You don't use anymore. Use my card the Colts claimed a new kicker Chase McLaughlin from the 49ers who was in relief of Robbie Gould the Patriots also put in a claim for him, but the Colts are higher up in the waiver due to their record. So are the Patriots wanted him because of Nick folks injury then had Chi for bath who no idea how he got that job now there without a kicker going into the weekend. Unless Vulcan get healthy. I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'll be excited to see Maybe Jake Bailey their punter will kicked. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but for the Colts I put my ear to the ground phone some people and I was like, excuse me, don't you think I should be told like isn't this something? I should I go on. I'm one of the only people that go on a lot of Big Show's and talk about the Indianapolis Colts on a regular basis. They should something I'm pretty well don't you guys think that you should give me a heads up if you guys are thinking about bringing in another kicker and I was told no which I respect and appreciate it. I heard that in Terry's knee. He has had an injury that sparked up so they were like, all right, we have to do something but they did cut another player to make room for this guy on the roster. So if they're going to cut viteri or send them to IR or something like that, they would have cut the other guy to make room for the roster. I have not talking nobody's given me anything by the way, which I don't know if I respect her hate. I think I respect it, I guess because you hate rats you respectfully hate it. Yeah, I respectfully. Hey, I respect it, but I hate They're not giving me any intel. I've not got a text from the GM which I would expect if we're going to make moves like this, but I have not gotten to I didn't text Vinny. I don't want to hear I don't want to put him in a situation. So I don't know anything from anything. All I do know is that they would have cut another guy to make room for another player. If they're going to make a move to either send him to IR or gonna whatever was going to happen. I would assume that that won't happen unless they just want to get rid of the guy which the other guy which I'm not on percent sure, but for me, this is just a statement that Vinny's knee is Hurt we all have seen the performance this year has not been up to Adam Vinatieri standards now granted this past week. He had three misses two of them being blocked only one of the block was his fault. The other one had got in the back field before he even got a chance to kick it basically the 55 Yard or you don't see a lot of people hit 55 yards and hit that ball. Well just drifted to the right. So the Miss was bad. He's had a lot of message this year though. This has not been a Terry's best work. I will not Disagree with everybody that's saying that but in this particular case, I have no idea how it's going to turn out. I have absolutely no clue. What do we got left on me once together for ya for weeks left in the season, you're bringing a guy. I have no idea. It's very interesting about seven thousand tweets came to me as soon as it was announced last night. Like well, what do you say about this? What do you say about this? To be honest? I have no idea. I've no clue what's happening and nobody's giving her any information which I hate. Yeah. I mean Vinnie had an MRI on his knee. So it's not like it's not like this is a movie where has my knees Now granted my only hobby is a child was kicking a soccer ball against the wall the side of my house, right? I didn't play video games. I didn't watch TV. I never seen a Disney movie until a couple of years ago. I mean my only hobby was just blasting a soccer ball off the side of my house. So let's assume that my knees have gotten more reps in kicking things then possibly any human in the history of existence and that's that's just what I did for fun was just blast a ball off a wall for hours at a time. Time and granted it helped me immensely. I mean I kick a soccer ball a hundred twenty-four miles an hour that got me a lot of places. I got to travel the globe playing soccer strictly because I had two strong dislike don't always have the best conditioning but they would bring me in late in the second half and say hey pal need a big one out of yeah, I would do that. I got a chance obviously to kick a 65-yard field goal. Mrs. 70 yard field goal coming out of high school because of this and got a scholarship to West Virginia go and do my thing Miss couple kicks there and make a lot of kicks Miss couple get the NFL punt made enough money to take care of everybody in my life. Basically so that hobby of mine definitely help but my knees took a real beating through this my hips whenever I was in the NFL a year five my right hip I thought I tore my hip flexor. I guess. I just had a bruise on there something like that. It came up your body whenever you're doing something that's so explosive. A lot of people underestimate the amount of explosion that is needed to kick a ball to generate enough Force to get a ball to propel off of your foot in travel 60 yards 50 yards things like that. It's a lot of Explosion. Yes, the thought of kicking a ball is easy ninja the thought of not just ninja by the way ninja speaks for a bunch of people that have been talking about football forever because commentators that made it sound like it's easiest thing because in comparison to all the other positions in football, it is much easier physically than all those positions. You're not ramming your head in the things you're not blocking people. You're not tackling people on a regular basis. You're just kicking a ball but to do that act it takes a lot of explosion. That's why you take the Rich gel and you say here's a football throw it and they throw well no gang is rolling back and they catch it. It's like okay. Here's a golf club hit a golf ball. They can hit a golf ball pretty far. They can't control it. Like it can go a little bit of a distance get my frisbee. They can throw them a baseball they can play catch but you ask them to kick the ball or punt the ball they stink at it. That's just the way it is. So to say the kicking is easy. I think although the act of it is potentially easy in comparison to other positions of football, but to be good at it. You have to have a lot of explosions Ocean you have to be able to move something at a rapid rate and to do that a lot of your joints take a beating. That's why Vinatieri kicking here in what 46 years old is so impressive to me the fact that his joints have been able to handle to wear and tear in the beat up to get to this age. Jeff Eagles. Did it Morten Andersen? Did it Gary Andersen did it these guys that can play in this explosive position that by the way once you do it, you have to go sit for probably Thirty maybe forty five minutes and come back out and be explosive again. Much like a I don't even know what it's like. I don't even know the comparison. Really. I don't think there is a comparison to it. So the fact that his joints have held up. He's had a lot of surgeries that surgeries on his knees yet surgeries on his hips. These are things he rehabs he's warm up process. It's something that's like two hours long even for practice. He has like a two-hour long routine that he has to do so he can go out and kick and not muscles and ligaments tear apart. So the fact that his knee is hurting is something that I would have expected years ago. So now I think we're potentially seeing the residual effects and I think hindsight we can look back and assume that there might have been something wrong with him. His body wasn't generating or acting a full cylinder like we it has in the past, but for this the MRI on the knee the year that he's had. I mean Ven and Terra is going to have to have a real conversation with himself, and I am not envious of him in that moment where he's going to have to talk and maybe it'll come back. Maybe he'll dominate next year. Maybe he'll do all that but for me. If military's knee is very hurt and he's not able to kick the rest of the year and Chase McLaughlin's the kicker. I think what we should all do is just thank Adam Vinatieri for his service for everything. He's done. I'm excited for his future. I'm not going to try to lean him any different direction. I don't know what the hell he's going to do. But I am a little bit worried that they brought in another guy off of waivers because that probably means that he is not able to go this weekend which could potentially lead into others, or maybe it's just one weekend. He takes off and he comes back and finishes thing off. I don't We'll see how it all works out. And then on the other side for the Patriots like they have no kicker Nick Folk the game before he had the appendicitis or whatever was tool for and that was against Dallas in a close game when the Patriots offense is struggling and they're winning these close games. Like that's a real issue for that's a for the first time in a long time. They have a real issue at specialty. So glaring issue. That's a big that they've been through a couple now, right and Gostkowski was getting booed out of the building up there because he missed a couple kicks turns out he's got like no ligaments in this year's left me or anything like that. So he's battling as well and You're talking about half inches of things were talking about half inches of things happening in milliseconds whenever you have one thing off or one thing hindering you a little bit if you just hit the ball a little fat, it's a mist of the left you hit the ball a little thin. It's a mist of the right so you got to really be humming at things and it's now granted. These are all excuses. I'm making for other people to step up and kick the ball through the uprights is something that they have to do. That's what they're being paid to do. But one of you start thinking about the minut little things that are happening, especially whenever you're talking about with something with such detail and injury can really effect Things in I don't know then he has not said this he's not said to me. I'm assuming that the knee is hurt. Probably all year. He took a couple weeks off in training camp because of me has been hurting and maybe we're seeing the effects of it but I would assume he's not kicking this weekend because he bringing cheese McLaughlin it also just magnifies how small the pool of good guys available as because we don't see new guys coming out. It's a guy like, oh, he's had two other stops this year. He's done this this year. It's not just like some random guy coming out of nowhere getting an opportunity you get into this kicking Carousel, you know, I mean getting this kicking Carousel where where you're in a pool of kickers that they bring in for a workout. It's always the same people and then they pick whoever had the best day. Okay, you're coming. Let's hope you get hot. Let's hope you get hot and if you don't get hot pool will take you out will bring in another with it. It just kind of like you're finding your guy. I mean, it's happened everywhere anytime you see a kicker leave. There's a good chance. It's going to take one or two before they find one that they get stuck on Graham. Cano was on the three teams before he got hot with the Panthers now Joey slides there. Grandma knows probably have to find a new home down at the the Buccaneers obviously so many they've Problems the Steelers had problems before they found Boswell. I mean a Patriots having problems this year. I mean, it's very difficult to find because in these workouts in on the internet, you cannot simulate what's going to happen. You cannot simulate that a game with millions of dollars millions of fans things happen. You can't simulate it. It's all in between a years every once in a while guys going to get hot everyone's well guys going to get cold. That's why you can even see Tiger Woods has droughts. That's just the way it goes. Whenever you're dealing with such small things that just have to go. So wrong for it to be a failure. I mean these types of things are going to happen people take it for granted, but there is nothing like having a good kicker that you know, when he goes out is going to is going to hit the cake. There's nothing like it. Yeah. It's so nice college football NFL are all footballs. If you have a guy that you're like this guy's going to put the ball through last year for the Steelers Boswell had an off year and it was the first time in Boswell's career that lot of Steelers fans when he would come on if you're like God. No, here we go this year though Boswell's hitting ball. Well back he comes on. It's like, alright. We got a guy. Soccer they feel like that. There's only a few kickers in the league where I think they're their team and their fan base is like, I we got a guy Dan Bailey by the way, he was not picked up by a couple teams whenever he was going through the Gypsy had a heck of her career with the Cowboys he gets cut there. He goes to work out some teams. They don't sign them. So I mean, he wasn't hitting the ball. Well now he's back to hitting the ball well for the Vikings and that's going to help them down the line. I'd assume but it's tough you get rid of a guy Jason Meyers who's with the Seahawks right now. He was a pro bowler for the Jets last year a pro bowler and they just let him walk out of the building and now they got their problems are unlike their kicker five. They got insurance salesman kicking balls and the Seahawks. Excuse me, you're just gonna let that guy walk out of the building will take him. It's a tough position to make sure that you're secure in very tough the Patriots got no they don't remember one. They practice Wednesday without a kicker. I love it. Yeah, we'll find somebody what if Julian Edelman is kicking quick question about kicking. Yeah buddy his leg speed something that's recorded by analytic people. I don't know. Always do like ball speed off the flame swing speed for golf. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of it like speeds. That's where it all comes from. That would be kind of closure. Yeah explosion. Exactly. Yeah. So for me, I was big legs big guy because I couldn't touch my toes. There's some people though that are like super levers where they utilize the science and have long legs of Thomas More stead of the Saints. His hips are at my chest like his legs are so long. So he utilizes these big ol legs and gets it going for me was all just Brute Force. Let's see how fast we can go probably also why my knees just right? Justin Tucker you see in those pictures we were showing earlier his heel was like touching the middle of his back when he's kicking. Yeah, you got to get that whip whip gotta get that leg to whip. Whip if I was taking this your brother. That was a very real possibility. I would thank God you did that, you know how to fix some heart company. Stop me if you've heard this before But I hate Stephen Singer. You heard me. 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Hey, boys, how are you doing today? All right, how are you doing? Good, man. This is the to all the pittsburghers in the room. I'm Cleveland born and raised Pat. You said it earlier in the weekend on early in the week on get up that if you're born in Cleveland, you're born to hate Pittsburgh and vice versa. Yep. My problem. Is there with a guy like Duck a guy like Yugi you a guy like James Conner and a coach like Mike Tomlin boy, I'm having trouble hitting this T-Rex team walking through this voice. I know it's probably difficult especially like if your team for yet again had so many high expectations and broke your heart and you see a guy like Doc Hodges Quack Like come out of nowhere. He was living on a on a couch there for a while now, he has a roommate who's the University of Pittsburgh's video guy. I mean, it's a good story. He's Can his Rounds Around Pittsburgh right now? He's a Let it Loose type guy. It is very hard. No matter who you are to hate. The colleges in the Pittsburgh Steelers right now. Juju obviously is JuJu. He's going to be the most famous NFL guy on the internet before no time here James Conner, not only defeated cancer, but he's putting on for his hometown and he's also balling out. It's very hard to hate to steal his only reason why you could possibly hate Steelers is strictly because you hate people from Pittsburgh and now The Cleveland people answer is very easy to do so. I don't know what you're supposed to do pile. I just know that if you want the NFC North to have a good representative you got the Ravens, but at the Steelers can get hot and getting the hunt. They potentially get a wild-card spot. That's insane to think about and you also have to be a bit envious at Mike Tomlin can do all of this with out Juju without James Conner without Ben Roethlisberger. They're able to do with a guy who Quack Like swaying from an FCS school and everybody win as a bronzer and he got to be like that first you Jax. Now this I mean what are we gotta go through bit slippy? Yeah. I was going to say, you know, it's funny. You mentioned that with my car one because he's doing this with practice squad guys, but our guys wearing t-shirts you get some his daughter and then it's just real fresh Tommy. I can appreciate that. By the way, I think a lot more people are level-headed than we can imagine. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead and I don't like what that guy tried to do. He tried to get the eggs and I to disparage our own team. Give us a reason. Give me a reason to hate this team. I don't appreciate that all you think he tried to set you up turn. Yeah. Well disparage our team on our own. We'll need you for about those my big problem with Mason. Not only the way he throws a football but he was just had a very hateable face and personality. We don't need that for Pittsburgh. I'll need that. We're already hateable enough. Hey, listen, take a walk out of South Side about 3 a.m. The only Pittsburgh as much as you possibly can found her scar. He'll stop by. What did you just say Donner? Scour Hill? Yeah Squirrel Hill, but if you go to the casino, they'll take a couple hundo from you to I mean, there's a lot of reasons hate Pittsburgh in Doc Hodges is definitely not one of them. He's somebody you love I like it for the Steelers. Um, and by the way doesn't get enough appreciation even with the winds that he's been having that have been very difficult to manage. You got people in Pittsburgh with pretty notable phones. Like I don't like Tom when but I don't like pumpkin but it's like, all right, Daddy's hate those people Tomlin. No, no. No the people that say they don't like Tom I'd take a bullet for that man. I thought you doing color you want to say anything for the Niners? He's my second father, Callaway and Kansas. It's always a year ago guys Calloway's Mighty Ducks. He was a good kid right Conway jockey. I gotta hang up on me because I was wrong. What's up, dude? Hey, how's it going guys? Hope you guys had a good holiday. Definitely coughing that Mary Lloyd Christmas shirt for a Christmas party. I don't know sure that if you wait much longer, you're gonna get that for any holiday parties make it I'm on the website this second actually cuz like I know you go fast two-part question real quick. What are your thoughts on the Chiefs winning and Foxborough? I know like we are defense has really picked it up lately and our offense. I mean, we have all the tools. What's it going to take for the Chiefs to beat the Pats? And who do you think personally is going to be in the Super Bowl? Great question Calloway right now. I like the Seattle Seahawks because they're getting hot but the Packers have been my pick for a long. I'm which can still happen. Even with Aaron Rodgers stating that hey I can see hole 18 right now which by the way has been like yeah, he's going to retire soon or whatever the guys been a leak like 45 years. I do do people expect them to play another 50 or whatever. He's just stating at these types of opportunities. They're going to maybe come to a stop at some point. We got to take advantage of it which by the way might be motivating his team to let them know like hey, this doesn't always happen. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be playing for be able to play for so, I think it's a motivating thing. So I'm not Way out on the Packers, but for me the Seahawks seem like a team that is gonna be tough to beat especially now that I've heard Russell Wilson mic'd up on game day. I think that's gonna be a tough Squad to be the special with the Eternal optimism. They are an underdog going against the Rams on Sunday Night Football if I were you I would go ahead and take it out and bet on the Seahawks. So for me, I have the Seahawks in the NFC for no other reason other than I like them right now the Packers I think are going to be very good. I think the Saints obviously are very good. The Niners are going to be difficult, but in the AFC I got the Ins right now strictly because it is December 5th in the Patriots offense is not figured it out yet. They have looked amateur the although they have won 10 games in the last game that they lost they were in and they played terribly so you can never bet against the Patriots Kansas City Chiefs have a lot of weapons have a lot of things but they've lost games with a lot of weapons. So I'm just not sure about them. I'm excited to see what happens in Foxborough because it's damn near impossible to win there. But the Chiefs have shown that they could do in the past with a quarterback. That wasn't as good as matching pumps. Oh, That being said I have no idea what bet against Tom Brady just won't do it. But for me, I feel like the Ravens are probably the AFC Super Bowl representing these flaws. All right. I can't thank you enough for listening to the show. Wherever you may be if you're an Indianapolis, I've heard that fox big noon show is going to be an indie, you know, if you want to go to bat for your boy. Feel free. I feel like I try my best to deliver every single day with the boys for you guys. And if we aren't doing that just know that we're working every single day. Try to deliver better content. It's been nice to sleep at home here for four nights in a row. I do miss due on Thursday Night Football that with Adam Amin Matt Hasselbeck Molly McGrath in the entire Incredible Crew, but it's been nice to sleep at home. Also, if you're a Bears fan, I'm watching the game right now. It's the second quarter midget risky isn't looked at bad the Bears. What kind of good Is he Crowley at eating a little bit to six and six teams battling it out Troy Aikman looks like a stud Joe Buck's obviously smooth as the other side of the pillow. I don't think that is an actual quote but you get it. He's a stud and I hope you have the best weekend of your life from myself and everybody PMI. We can't thank you enough for joining us alongside this ride. We have no idea which direction it's going to go. But I do know that the direction of your weekend is only going to Up, whether you're resting you're partying talking shit or chilling. I can't wait to talk to you next week. Have a good one. Cheers Tasha met play some independent music.

On today’s show, Pat and the boys are joined by friend of the show, owner and creator of Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio. They discuss Florio’s bombshell on Twitter a few days ago that he has an inkling that Andrew Luck will be the Las Vegas Raiders Quarterback to start the 2020 season, and what the Raiders would potentially have to give up in order to get his rights. Pat also asks Mike whether or not another coach will get fired before the end of the season, and where a possible landing spot for Ron Rivera might be, when Jason Garrett will be fired, and addresses the idea of Tom Brady potentially playing for a different team next year (1:57-12:07). Next, 4x All-Pro, 3x Pro Bowler, Super Bowl Champion, the most accurate kicker in NFL history, Baltimore Ravens Kicker, Justin Tucker calls in. Justin and Pat discuss his game winning kick against the 49ers in the miserable conditions in Baltimore this past weekend, what his mindset and ritual is before he lines up to kick, what he has seen in Lamar Jackson over the last two years and if there is anything he can point that has led to his massive success. He also chats about his relationship with Matthew McConaughey, his potential career as an opera singer, and why this Ravens team has bonded so quickly (12:09-32:40). Pat also reacts to the news that Adam Vinatieri has been dealing with a knee injury for some time and the Colts having to bring in a kicker and what that process is like, and why it magnifies how important having a great kicker is, and gives a couple of thoughts on some of the early lines from this weekend’s NFL games. Also included are a few calls from the radio show including questions about why Browns fans are having a hard time hating Duck Hodges, and whether or not the Chiefs have a shot to knock off the Patriots this weekend in Foxborough. Today’s show is a good one, come and laugh with us. Cheers.

Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Hello and welcome back to the paddle and fin podcast. I'm Brian and this is Ricketts tonight. You guys were bringing you another epic guest. That's right. Another epic guest we got Cody Jennings from jig Masters on the horn with us tonight. We're going to be talking jigs how he got into fishing and how his little company got off the ground and what his plans for the future and what not are so Cody welcome to the show. Yep. Thanks for having me guys. Absolutely man. So like all our guests we always start out on how you got into fishing and then we can kind of take it from there man. So why don't you give us that? Yeah, I didn't I didn't really have an option. Honestly. My dad was a huge tournament angler on Lake Erie needs to do. Yeah used to be a very competitive and it was a big big member of the sound modes tournament, sir. Our get when they had it. Okay, you had a lot of big guns on their you know bench and Hayward Steve Clapper. Everybody's heard of him. So pretty much when I grew up, you know as pretty much forced upon me about you know, it's not for I think was when I first started nice able to actually kind of fish by on my own there's far as you know, not having him watched made 24/7 on the back of the boat. So pretty much the passion just grew from there. You know, it's just constantly around it and it was one of the few things. Things I think that I could do forever and not get burned out on nice very cool, man. So I mean, how did you kind of get into the concept is starting to make your own Bates? So to speak I mean War didn't win did that all come up? Yeah. It's it's a funny story. So basically what really happened was I was in a full time College roughly 20 21 credit hours of engineering classes at the same. And during a had an internship going on that I was cranking out 50 and 60 hours there. So I basically kind of like kept busy kept busy kept busy. I got so used to literally never having free time. And then when I took my first salary position is the place I was at when I graduated college at the time we were struggling to get like 40 hours of work in is helping launch a new plant in the building wasn't in existence yet. Yet so we didn't really have anything to do for a little bit of time. So I literally went from being busy like a hundred hours a week to all of a sudden struggling to be busy for 40. So yeah, so pretty much, you know, I knew I wanted to do something and fishing long-term anyways, so I first started and I was going to do a YouTube channel and that's where the name of Jack Masters TV came from and that's good, you know, so that's kind of where the name originated from and then Kudos to all the the big YouTubers out. There is way more complicated than everybody weddings. Oh, yeah, but anyways, at the time I was using my favorite jig companies, you know Jigs and stuff. That's really a big staple of you know, what I'm passionate about fishing with and I started having a lot of quality issues with I'm not going to name any company names. I'm not here to take food out of everybody's mouth or anything, but I started having you know some quality issues, you know, the paint getting knocked off. Skirts falling down so funky Towers popping off. Yep. Yeah exactly you got so so anyways, so I tried to you know nicely and I didn't ask for any free stuff or anything. They had reached out to him and instead of like just ghosting me right not even responding or saying. Oh, hey, so thanks for the heads up. They actually sent me kind of a nasty gram backs and mind your own business pretty much that day. I was like, you know what I can do that. How do you know and that's what I really started? I'd never made a jig before, you know, really before starting the business. So that's pretty much how it started. And that's where the idea idea came and then you know worked with one of my friends and coming up with a logo and stuff like that. She's a super talented. And so while she was doing that it was my turn to figure out how the heck to make them, you know, and luckily, you know, luckily with the engineering background. If like that, like I got really used to manufacturing and figuring out how to you know, better processes, you know, increasing efficiency while still keeping quality and stuff and that's kind of where I'm at now, very close remarkable. I personally know your Jigs and I think they're they're remarkable the Live Wire hooks on their my favorite now, I actually want to I want some swim bait hooks just like that. You know, I think it's I think the remarkable just the way your jigs are set up and I'm like man I want lightwire so when big hooks because it it's just the hook up ratio is out of this world. I have never lost a fish on your jig. It's never have I ever every fish that I've hooked on your jigs. I've landed every single one of you know, and I and yesterday it was yesterday yesterday. I was on the river and I was using a big-name swimbait hook and I know they're completely different but the type of hook that you use is way better than this big name company and the big name company. I lost an 18-inch small mouth and then My debacle that GoPro video I posted it on Facebook and Instagram and be doing this now, we're trying to keep that fish on my boat, but that was the same swimbait hook that that popped off to you know, any means and I'm like man. I just I could not get a hook set on that. But I'm like if I had Cody's the hook the Cody uses, you know that Jim Master uses it would have never been an issue at fishing never would have come off. I mean, it's just his own real how sharp those are and you think a light wire or thinner hook would bend out, you know. I'm hooked into an absolute Solange at Callan like I mean, I lost it because I broke off around a lily pad, right but it was it was there. It was hooked. If I had I have had my for carbon now broken off I would have you know about Atlanta that fish but just this your products are great just personal testimony, you know, in other personal testimony will them to you're talking about guy sells a product. He uses his own damn jigs to you know, and so I had Left a spot Cody came behind me took one of his flipping Jake's flipped it in there pulled one out. I mean, I literally just left that spot. He's you know, he flips back in there. There's the fish pulls right out of their humble back. I'm like Man knows how to use his own product a few different methods on you know why I why I really try to make sure that I'm using my product a lot first and foremost you I want all the promotions or when I'm truly talking to people stuff like that. I wanted to come from an honest place, right? Sure. I can't like oh, hey these jigs are great and then they come look at me fishing and I'm never using them like, oh, well, maybe they're not that good. Right, right. I'm not saying don't use anything else but I try to spend a lot of time with my products because I know the more and more that I can test on them to and get feedback from others. Yeah, you know the better chances I can make those few design tweaks or whether it's just, you know, just a couple things to add just a little bit more quality to them, you know actually fight through the issues instead of just assuming hey, what I did is I ended my head is going to work great for everybody. You know, it's really kind of putting your money where your mouth is moving cool thing is you put on a clinic with your own jigs. Yes, I mean I was I was right there, you know, I put you on the boat. I invited you out put you on the boat fish with you and you put on a clinic. I mean you were like, hey man, don't skip that jig you like. Yeah, you can skip it, but you want this you want this jig and this is why it's got a certain angle on it, you know and you're able to really skip that you mentioned that skipping video. I made where I was skipping up football head because you should try this one, you know the back size angle and it's / when it hits the water just it just goes across I'm like cool and what did you do man? You went 300 that heavy cover and yank that bass out. I'm like son of a bitch. He just gave you just get put on a clinic right in front of me. I think I just fished at harder than heck and there it is. So yeah. Yeah, that was great. It's a much better way to promote. I think that just trying to help people are right. Now let alone see it firsthand and you know as far as how I've come up with a lot of designs and stuff like that something, you know, huge overhauls on a design. I like something that's you know, like flipping jigs are on the Bit right sure. What my flipping head is considerably different from anything else. You'll find out there but there are some of the losers to their a lot of like, oh, hey, these are real no-brainer small tweaks that's going to really enhance the performance of the this bait, you know, one of the big ones that would be an example. That's like my Buzz bait and there's a few things you get with it a I tuned the blade to already have that squeaking / squealing noise that everybody desires are all the Buzz bait kind of suitors desire. Yeah, so an angler doesn't have to drive, you know, 60 mile an hour down the road hanging about the window, but also I come out and um, you know coming off the head there. I add some basically some wings to a little updraft angle that allows that bait to plain considerably faster and you can fish it at slower speeds so you don't have to just burn the buzzbait to keep it up at the surface. So Very nice. Yeah, I haven't used your buzzbaits and haven't used your swim jigs. I just use your football. I place a huge order your football Jigs and acts like I placed another order because I went night fishing and rock Central and lost a launch that was ridiculous. I'll never go night fishing again. But at least in that spot right now, I was brand new never been to the lake and it was just like heavy riprap everywhere man, and I was thrown in there and you know, and it's just it was snack Central I was getting irritated but Yeah, I know. You're Jake's work great, man. And I know I know specifically I can go to one Lake that's within the Cincinnati area and I could just smash them with your dxi. Absolutely. No, if I go there and I use this certain color and a certain jig, it's over. Don't say it's just over it's over here Jim. I love you June bug color. I think you Junebug colors on point. I have the watermelon. I think it was a watermelon and something else. I should have brought him up. Then your natural crawl crawl and I got black and blue and he's wrong football. And then I have the what is the I don't know the name of it, but it's the freestanding head football head. So do the pivot heads pivothead see? Yeah, that's what you are. So I got those too and I really like those two so real. We got to get Brian some. Yeah, I so, you know Ricketts when I was out in Ohio had showed me your Jigs and you know what? I and you already touched on it like your heads are definitely a lot different or you know slightly different from the the average head that you see on the market and just just looking at them, you know, it's you know, when you're talking a football head, you know, usually You got that oval shaped head and you know seen some underwater videos where because that's so rounded your jig kind of Falls over and it doesn't stand up or as you got that kind of flat surface for it to stand directly up and I think that's huge. I mean, I fish a ton of jigs, you know, when we were at the Town Lake meet up, I mean that what all my fish came on and I'm a huge jig fisherman, and it was interesting. I'm talking to talking to Jason hear about it and just just seeing the product and you know his testimony to it. And you know, I think that's so huge for me being a jig fisherman for that jig to stand straight up like that. I mean that is that is key. You know, if that thing's Fallin down now you're having a bass trying to suck that off the bottom. And so yeah able to come down and grab it. Yeah. Go ahead. That's a huge thing that maybe not like are a lot of people don't necessarily understand is any time that jig Falls over on its side. You're asking for Bad News Bears. I mean that's you're going to hang out especially if you're round cover shirt or even if maybe you are flipping it into, you know, some gaps and stuff and a lily pad stuff like that. If that thing turns to its side you now have the full gap of the hook that has to avoid Cover for its cost when it's standing straight up. Then you only have the thickness of the hook which is considerably less and that's a big reason. I really like going with stand-up designs. Very good. No, I dig it man. So, you know you touched on paint chipping off. So are you doing something extra? Like does your paint eventually chip off is it you know, there's some things that you're not going to be able to get around right? So somebody launches a jig into a Bridge sure I have okay, that's a little tough, you know a little tough to design around but basically what I try to do and I'm always still continuously trying to improve okay, you know, I'm not necessarily going to you know, like well like I lure Parts online or chance that crap to get powder paint, you know, it's where a lot of people are trying to do is go and it's not that that's stuffs bad. But there's also considerably, you know, better quality more durable paint on out there sure. I'm just going to be Research more right and that's pretty much where it is, you know, and then you know, one of the big things to that was specially with the paint that I will not do and still over. Let's see. We're about over 12,000 jig sold now all stuff like that right as far as strictly jigs go just over 12,000 years old now and I have never shipped The Jig with paint and the line tie. You know, it's one of the biggest things that's important to me believe it or not because especially what I okay. So when I'm starting to use more and more durable paint, that means it's harder and harder and harder for the angler to ever have to try to get that paint out. Yeah, that's such a train in the but yeah, real soft pads. Not that bad knees don't love doing it. Right but it's not that bad. When you do have a real hard and durable paint. It's extremely impossible like you're going to have to get a drill out to get it so I try to Play definitely refuse to ship on that way. Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, I'm just basically talking as far as like just jigging through rocks and stuff because you know, a lot of these bigger companies. It's like, you know, I've worked there jigs through the rocks and it's like 10 cast your head is now yep showing lead instead of black or something like that. So that's kind of what I was getting at just because that's that's crucial to me man. It's like Okay. Jigging and rocks is my my thing. That's my bread and butter. You know, if the if you got a rocky Shoreline with a with you know, it half ounce football jig my hand usually black and blue you're in trouble. Yeah, just like you can would cover man. I love ya covered. Oh, yeah, you just because you know, and it's almost like a game to me because I'll see something. I'll see you. It may be just a little bit of what but I will try my damnedest to take that jig and hit that. Would it make that noise like and then I just wanted to fall. I just I wanted to I don't want it to bounce. I wanted to hit and just fall down because you know the fish they hear that hear that smack they're all on alert as soon as they hit the water like boom there. Got it. You know, it's it and I'm stuttering outside. I'm actually pretty new to jig fishing. Like I haven't before like a month and a half ago. Honestly, honestly, like I when I place your order I think about like 10 gigs off here or maybe here well for something some crazy like Got so before that. I'd only started jig fishing. Maybe two weeks and Jeff Durbin My Buddy chapter from got me in a jig fishing. He's like, hey, man, you gotta try he's catching a lot of fish and he's teach me how to do it. I'm like cool man. So my number one place I go to whenever I want any kind of tackle, especially custom tackle because I don't really like buying some stuff at big-box stores. I know the jig that we talked about I've had issues with the you know, all kinds of issues. We've already talked about this, but so I got on Instagram and I found your page. Man, just really cool. You know, I mean as I scroll outside cool, I'll give him a shot, you know about 10 of them and I've been thrilled like I'm Gary Place another order like they're they're phenomenal. I absolutely love them. Yeah. I really appreciate that for sure. They're great man. I'm a jig Master fan boy. Yeah, that's one of the big things to with you know, where you brought up, you know, hey like a month and a half ago. I really hadn't even finished Jigs and the reason jigs are you know, really, you know, Something I use all the time and I think a lot of your higher level Anglers are really they focus on is one of the Texas Rig came out pretty much jigs like went off the market now, obviously there are still sold stuff like that but everybody and their brother went to Texas Reagan. Yeah, and that is still I mean, it's still a good technique. Don't get me wrong but as more and more and more people went to strictly throwing Texas Rags. That's when The Jig bite search Getting better and better and better right? They instead of seeing a hundred a day. Now. They might only see you know, five or six right and on a lot of these, you know, especially, you know, these Central and Southern Ohio lakes that are extremely pressured, you know, that's a you know, it's a big thing. You know now I'm a big believer that it's that you can always catch fish on a jig. It's just finding the right jig that might be biased on me right since I sell. Yeah well, but but I I am a big believer and I think it's just a really good natural, you know presentation, but I mean in a similar effect to write is like the spinnerbait versus the ChatterBait write that for about five years. You can never even get touched on a spinnerbait then the ChatterBait comes out and then look to three years down the road now that everybody's throwing chatter Bates. Hey, you can catch a lot of fish on spinnerbaits again. Yeah, so it's one of those things a lot of these come in cycle, but I think a lot of things that are there are Tables and I think Jake's is a huge one. That will never die. I'm I don't have any luck with the ChatterBait. I have I own several. I've only caught one fish on them. I just and I think maybe because but I can throw a spinner and I'll and Fish on that right and it maybe it's because of what you just said, they're so used to seeing them. But I also I like to throw throw the stuff in the river. I'm big river guy, right and you know in the river they don't necessarily see him that much. I just don't have a lot of luck with them. Oh, yes spinnerbaits. I have a lot of luckily spinner baits and then buzzbaits to yeah buzzbaits work, especially the river black buzzbait and rivers is a game over which I might get with you on that make some make some special buzzbaits after I know again makes them. Yeah, absolutely. So you sold how many I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. So so you've sold how many again to what you said 12,000? Yeah. I just actually it was 3 days ago. I clipped my 12,000. Excelled and how long have you been selling them like how so yeah, so the the shop itself not the hole jig Masters concept has started a little bit before as far but that's a lot of like logo work and stuff like that. And you do it all the you know, the the fun legal work and stuff like that, but the shop itself has been open almost exactly two years. Now I was the year to has been considerably bigger than Year one and in all honesty. The last on this is kind of a good segment into it. Right but the last three months the cells have went up considerably since you know, I finally pulled the plug and said this is my only job now. Yeah, so explain that what do you mean your only job now? Yeah. So basically when I first started this I was doing this, you know, basically on any hours I could find available. I was working at a full-time as a full-time engineer at you know, Dana designing and Helping manufacturing stuff axles and it was a it was a struggle. You know now I still think it was the right way to go about it necessarily for me because I want to one of my big things too is to avoid if possible now, I get that all businesses like you do it but, you know try to avoid a big bank loan and you know all this crazy overhead. They're like, hey, I'm starting at Ground Zero. I'm actually starting, you know, a hundred can the whole sauce base. Basically using my engineering job to fund a lot of the startup cost for Jake Masters. And then what happened was pretty much all all this year up until I left an April up until then. I was having a lot of health issues and stuff which I've battled off of that, you know, since I was a little kid and I found I kind of got to the point where the doctors are bringing up a lot of scary. Formation and stuff like that. I said, you know what this is really what I want to do, you know, if the doctors are a stuff like that, you know, there's not really much point in. You know, we're working for the quote-unquote man, right? You know, I really want to push this and just see what happens, you know and soon as I did that a few things happened a I started being a much quote-unquote calmer person, you know that, you know, basically I have one desire and then stick Masters and kind of Nothing else, you know, you're able to brush off a lot easier and literally all my health concerns have cleared up. Yeah. I know it's okay. Yeah, which is awesome which is huge. You know, I've never have what I tell people is like I've never felt this good since I was a at least like eight years old, you know, so I just turned 26 couple days ago now so yeah, that's right Friday. It was last Friday, right? Yep frightening, but it's so awesome. Now, I'm an old man, you know 26 years old. So but but yeah, you know since I was able to do that, you know, a lot of things have been going in a good direction for me. So that's great. That's great. It's that's a tremendous success or because not everybody just puts it out there like that, especially when you go in from an engineering job and you're like, hey, I'm done and you go and you pump so pumping pumping all your resources and energy in there and you said last three months. Months of picked up for you. So is that how long you've been out of the engineering job doing this full-time? Yeah. Yeah, you are getting like sales Trends stuff like that. It's literally been a pretty big climb continuous clients since that date fewer than 11 ask you the reasons. No, go ahead. That's perfect. Yeah, so, you know few reasons a you know, once I kind of finally get a lot of the outside stress out and now, you know, pretty much Jake Masters is my my only stress No, which if anybody says oh it's a stress-free business. Well, it's laughable, you know, that's not true at all. But it's a it's a different kind of stress, you know, you can understand it right? There's no, you know chain of command or hey 10 people made all these decisions, which somehow means I'm working 30 hours this weekend, you know, I get to kind of control how much I put on myself right AB, but yeah, I think also I mean just with you know, understanding this just being calm or stuff like that you make a lot of more Sound better decisions, you know business decisions and whether that is looking into new products or how you're you know, reaching out to people, you know, marketing strategies all that stuff as or even just stuff in the you know, actually in the shop, you know, as far as okay. Well, how can I make sure quality is maintained but doing this process and half the time or shaving off whatever time I can you know, so I think that's a big part of it. Then I'll kind of ties and again, I mean it's also use actually able to focus on one thing right? I'm a big person that thinks people have limited brain space, you know, and you know having to technical jobs between jig Masters and then engineering, you know, that fills up pretty quick. Oh, yeah, so I think that's a big part of it to you and you know, and then just being healthier, you know, like like that's a big thing. You know, when you feel like crap, you're probably not going to be the friendliest person. I'm sure when Trent talk to people and stuff like that, you know, so I think that's been a big help as well. Absolutely Brian. What were you going to ask the and I cut you off earlier. Sorry, buddy. No. No, that's fine. I'll segue back to that. But so is it just strictly you making the jigs or do you have a couple guys at work for you or one guy or so as far as actually make knowledge except like that. That is just me. I do have you know close friend here stuff like that. He'll help me. I say make Louis but he'll help me, you know, whether it's you know coming up with a little bit new design for some of the fixturing or you know, help me and him a walk through a lot of the hey if we change this layout in the shop a little bit, you know, will it help or hurt efficiency stuff like that? But as far as actually making lures and most of the excuse that that's on me gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, and then the other things I thought about was so are you doing any tungsten type? Wait? Or is it all lead? Okay. So right now I am all wet. Okay, and I'm still a little bit of ways away from tungsten. Okay, and and here's the here's what most people don't know about. Tungsten. Some do some don't write a lot of it's not a hundred percent. Tungsten. That's a big part of it, right? You know. Well most of a I think they even now tell you it's like hey, it's like 97% even that's kind of aggressive. But tungsten melts at and don't call me. I'm pretty sure I'm a career tungsten melts at like 6,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know the average Joe with a little you know, Lee production LED pot. Yeah not sounds like tungsten weights are you know, I wanna show price. I'm going to pour myself. Well, good luck. Yeah. Yeah. Goodbye for it is, you know quite a That's up. So that's why you don't see too many small businesses get into it. It's normally people starting with a real big investment. And that's why there is the big price difference. It's because a there's a limited amount of people that can make it sure but be it's the energy cost, right? It takes a lot more energy to heat 6,000 degrees that it does, you know, LED basically melted like 525 or something like that. Yeah. So it's a pretty considerable difference. Yeah. I had a an interesting conversation a couple weeks back with somebody and they were talking they're they're on a team or somehow associated with this company and they're doing some stuff with tungsten weights and I guess like a majority of that stuff is just pretty much imported from China and then you gotta know who you're getting it from because of like we were talking about they say it's tungsten, but it's actually just it's Got some tungsten mixed in with whatever they're mixing it with other and it was really goofy. And I didn't know the the whole Spheal behind it why you couldn't just you know, melt it and pour it yourself. So I mean that makes sense. I thought it had something to do with the temperature. So no that's that's good info there. I appreciate that. It's kind of true of a lot of big companies, right? They get it from China and remarket it for themselves for sure sit. Yes. So the next the other thing I had I was looking at all your digs online. Are you going to do a finesse chicken? All right. Yeah, so I'm if you want here we can kind of talk about all the products that are in the running right now. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, heck. Yeah. Sure. So finesse jig. That's a big one. I've had a lot of requests and I know it's a you know, it's pretty much a staple to have is a Jig company sure, you know, so that's definitely in the works. We got my first saw. Off plastic, which I'm excited about. I was actually testing it out earlier today and I think it's a winner. So I'm pretty excited about it. The first ones it's a foreign crawl, but the the actual Claus himself have a little bit different action than what's on the on the market. Okay, and and the body itself is how it's segmented. It's really able to help, you know, Anglers dial in the the length of that jig. So if they're using his Trailer, they don't want to 4-inch bank. They want to have a three and a half inch or three and a quarter whatever it is, you know, they can really dial it in and it'll send it doesn't make the bait look funky or anything by any means so pretty excited about that other things that are we're going to be getting in the hair jigs it going to be doing that. I'm going to be working on a soft plastic swimbait, you know kind of similar to like the the chi Tech kind of style sure. Yeah, you know No, the real goal is Theirs to get you know, pretty similar action there, but I get a lot more durability out of the bait, right? That's the typically the big beef. But I mean, I'll give it to him they catch a lot of fish yet l so. Yeah, and they're going to be getting into a lot of terminal tackle stuff as well. Yep. And then one of the thing too is going to be doing my own spinnerbaits. I'm actually now not I wasn't necessarily pouring in but I was I've been doing my own stunts. It's for extremely long time. That is one thing I like my dad has religiously made since like, I don't know there's long as I can remember. I don't even know if he's never even purchased in store spinnerbait since I've been born so that part kind of came by nature and then the big benefit. You know, what I'm going to be doing is a helping design a you're basically designing a head that will not roll over on you. Okay and getting the perfect balance in The Wire form thick - to make sure that you still have durability but it also allows to have enough enough thump coming off the blades, you know, if you get a real real beefy wire. Okay. Well as that the going to get an actual pulse on the blades. Yeah and then but if you go to White, okay, you have an extreme amount of pulse and you know a waterbed move, but then as soon as the fish hitted gets mangled. you know, so that's a you know, that's going to be a these are all products that I'm currently working on and hoping to get launched somewhere either before right before Christmas will be a launch date for a lot of these and then about Midway next year their shovels to me when we cut out Brian and I were talking about what rods we like to use for Jake's what rod do you prefer for your Jake specifically, so I'll give the Of what you should use and then what I use a little so I learned from a pretty early age that I don't necessarily love playing with fish. You know, I want to hook them and I want to get them back. Yep. So I'm kind of that weird guy, you'll see even throwing, you know, medium-sized crankbaits and stuff on a flipping stick. Sometimes it's just what I have with me right, but but I'm typically going with A seven three two, seven six heavy action Rod if you're if you're if you're skipping and I think it's important to have a fast tip if you're not skipping in your truly just you know, flipping and pitching, you know more Target stuff versus trying to skip way up under it. I do like having just a moderate tip. Okay, something doesn't Flex too much. I think you get a little bit more sensitivity out of it and so many here that's that's what he said. Likes a heavy action Rod fast tip and I'm like, I like it more of like a medium heavy and I like Ultra sensitivity because when I throw it and I'm dragging it across the rocks or loner Timber, I want to feel everything and I just and for me to cast a heavy Rod, it's like throwing a broomstick. I don't even own a heavier. I hate every rods. My favorite rod is the nickname of my first flipping stick was broomstick and the next one was broomstick 2.0. So Yeah, it's pretty it's like you know, but here's the thing with your jigs though, right? Okay, so a normal jig under normal circumstances. Yeah. Okay. Have you action Rod fast step broomstick you're throwing a broomstick, but it's got a flimsy tip, but your damn digs man are so sharp in a light wire hook. You don't have to use a heavy action Rod. You can use a meeting heavy like I got with ultra sensitivity, you know, I posted on Instagram of that jig that you know, you saw the video I skipped it. That low-hanging branch and then you could see it, you know, you can see the tip as I was moving it and then you can see the TIC right right when that fish sucked it up is like don't and then the Hooksett, you know, that was a medium heavy, you know fast action all today. And those those are the toxic biohazard routes from American tackle. I use my God and they have soft tips, you know, but they have a good backbone. So I was able to I didn't know that it didn't go anywhere and it's because the way that you injured your jigs they work phenomenal you don't have to use broomsticks know and that's that's exactly right. You know when you're going to want to when you're truly want a heavy action Rod as when you're going to be throwing something like my HD Series, right? It's a look I go all the way up to a six hot big flip, you know, so there you're going to extremely struggle with a medium and even some of the medium of Heavies out there not saying you're going to lose every fifth but you know percentage is going to be low, but you know, To your point, when you go to the you know, the lightwire series, you know, you can honestly get away with a medium and you're not going to have any issues now, I would still prefer to film on a medium heavy at minimum. But once again, that's me personally, but now like when I'm fishing pivot heads and stuff like that. That's something that I religiously will throw a medium heavy with a fast tip on because the whole time you're just feeling stuff you're banging the nerve stubs, you know branches. You know, whatever's down there and it's tough to always tell like if you don't have a sensitive Rod, what's the difference between banging into a rock and a fish hitting lit? So I always try to make sure to have a really sensitive rod for that. Yeah. I'm also a guy when I fish I don't really carry a lot of rods. Like if I turn it if it's a big tournament, I'll carry seven and and all seven have different stuff on them and not only carry that amount of rods to keep me from changing bait so often right, but if it's like a local tournament like the Don't pin tournament. We had her down like it's only three rods. No, I don't, you know and my go to my absolute favorite 100 fewer say Hey, you can only have one rods going to be a medium. It's going to be a medium Rod fast action medium, right? That's just what I love G Jensen the fluke Masters. He said if I can only have one rob it would be a medium. There's a you know, I just love them but the medium Heaven is medium heavy is my second. I don't want any heavy rods. I just I just don't fool with them, but I make it, you know, maybe that's that's probably just a flaw in my angling mindset, you know, but it goes both ways, right? Yeah. I'm not a person on the front deck with a spinning around, you know, it's I mean then obviously there are definitely times that you can do a lot of damage with I absolutely have spinning all the time and you know, so I mean, you know, a lot of people, you know, they find their Niche into that don't down on it, right, you know suffer. You should see Brian shit-eating grin when you said heavy action fast tips. Just seen him over there. That's marketing is he just you know, he was talking about how he went fishing this weekend was burning them up, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're not a clinic for Jay. Yeah. Well that, you know, I was thrown a half ounce finesse jig earlier today and I was thrown that on a medium heavy and but typically like I'm a big fan of a half ounce or 3/4 football jig and usually that's on my 7 foot heavy. See so I can get a quick hook set and have that backbone and like Cody said get him to the boat quick and get them in the boat quick. You know. Yeah, so talking to Aaron Steiger your fish. Yeah. No II like to get them in the boat and measure it up and then released as fast as I can and that way I can keep moving on to the next one. If I got to keep playing out a fish. I mean that's less time. I got my bait working in water is the way I look. The a so, you know when it comes to Tournament Fishing, so yeah and in even at Colin Lake, you know, I was throwing a half ounce black blue football jig and that heavy Rod was the only thing in my hand all day long. So my God, that's just me but everybody's different. Yeah, I guess out I mean everybody gets in their own stuff and you know, some people they feel like oh I can always specifically that, you know, watch a Video or something like that, right? Yeah, you know just get you know, oh, hey it up that guy makes a lot of money finishing. I must do this. Yeah, that's always the case. Right and a lot of time sounds great. You know, it's not necessarily, you know true. Like I said, I'd try to I want to if I can avoid needed that, you know, I want to be able to hoist to 500 up in the air and catch them with my hands versus that's in my net skills, you know, so yeah my net I use I'm thinking Replace it because it's just it folds, you know what I mean? And sometimes grabbed the wrong way and you're trying to deploy it. It's hard to snap in that it's hard to snap it in place and then as I'm not too not too thrilled with it, but yeah, man, maybe I'll have to switch to a heavy cilantro full within that you know, it's hog them up like you guys do. Yeah. Well, you know and to your point, you know, what the kayak stuff, you know, if I if I strictly which I'm going to be be getting into more, you know, you know, it industry's growing and it's you know, if I'm going to start making products. Geared more towards you know, you know kayak the kayak industry, you know, a lot of the light wire stuff. Yeah, you know, I'm I want to be able to make sure that I'm doing my due diligence on product testing and I think it's important for me to get my fat button to kayak as well, you know, and you know, if I fished in a kayak, you know 90% of times. I like that 7-6 heavy probably wouldn't be my answer. You know, I would it maybe I still would use a heavy but I'm going to probably dial it back down to seven. Or maybe even at a class. Hey speaking of rods man. That's that's just a touch point on here. I've spoke to another buddy of mine and we had a conversation about rods today and the kayak Anglers put kind of an unnatural bend on the rods due to sitting position that we're actually starting to snap them because I just list these bins in certain, you know certain places that that rods really not used to bending a probe to and last week. What's that? You're bending it closer to the real at least that's how I see it on my head, right? Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, we've I've snapped two rods in a week my other buddy just snap actually two rods and within a week period and we're starting it's starting, you know, it's happening. You know, we're thinking okay. We're doing this we're doing this. Okay, we get it we get where the the hook sets coming to powerful Hooksett because you're sitting down you really got a wrench up on it, right up and stiffen. So yeah, I mean it has nothing. Jigs, but you just when you said that it kind of kid in so we definitely need to get you in a kayak though, man. That's good exercise for you too. Oh, yeah for sure. No, I had a blast doing it and I think you know one of the things I even notice down at Lake Calhoun right is I think that I mean long as you're watching yourself, you know, I think that you can get a lot closer to a lot of that cover and actually still be able to have caftans catching them. It's that you're not making as much commotion. Ocean as oh. Hey, there's this 20-foot bright bass boat. That's sitting above my head proper. I'm going to hit you think you know, I think you can and it's just being from the you know, I was / downloading the seated position as I know a lot of people stand up and stuff like that. Yeah, but it kind of gives you some interesting angles that you don't always see standing up. Yeah sure or even being higher, you know, even though you're standing up in a kayak or standing up but you know a bass boat or whatever, you know, the bass boat sitting up higher then yeah. He's still kind of see these different angles that you might not have noticed. So I put you in the the Jackson Kayak mayfly and that was that's one of the most stable platforms. I'm a on the market. That was a really good as a really good kayak and I noticed one thing like I'm on the I'm on the blue sky set up natural position like a natural seating position and offers chair or something when I fish out of a standard sit down kayak, like cockpit style. My casting is all off like going from a blue sky and going back into that true. A tional kayak I don't have the same angles that I'm used to throwing and pitching and flipping and doing all that stuff. That's all completely different. So it's you really you're fishing style really does get a custom around what kayak that you use and when you change that particular kayak if throws you off and there is a little bit of an adjustment period yeah for sure man. So what did you think of the kayak? I mean did you think that's something that you love to do you think you know, it's okay or what was your thoughts on that? I was I never got a chance to ask you again. Yeah, I know. I had a really good experience, you know, he said, you know, I was able to catch a couple fish and stuff our there and you know, like I said, one of the biggest things I noticed was hey look at me because I mean Cowan, I mean, it seems that it's a pretty popular place, right? Yeah. It was extremely hot that day. If I recall it was all terribly somewhere, you know, you know, so, you know, super hot day bluebirds guys, you know stuff like that. That's typically not everybody's like favorite time to fish. Shhhh, you know, I think being in the kayak that I think it really helped me still catch, you know several that maybe I wouldn't have in a bass boat, you know, it's coming in if the long as you're you know, basically drifting near the cover instead of you know pale and make a bunch of commotion. I feel like you can just get a lot closer on those fish. And you know, I was shocked, you know, I thought I was like, yeah, there's probably a high chance. I'm going to fall in you think so not that I have a huge amount of data to compare it to but I thought it was definitely Your kayak for sure. Absolutely. They're they're good platforms, you know and you one thing you just said man, you're able to kind of drift into position. You're so stealthy in a kayak, right? And even like I guess I'm all right, I guess I'll say it. I don't have any problem with it when if I'm starting to move shallow. I shut my fish finder off a lot of Onyx are awesome. You know what I mean? Because they they can you can hear that pinging and I know they hear that too so I will get into position and if I know fish for their it electronics are off. I don't mess with any of that stuff. I don't even use my pedals. I will just kind of float in place and then I'll grab my paddle and gently put it in the water. We're gonna guide myself, you know, so it's there's a lot of tips and tricks that you learned if you get into it and you progress and you'll really learn how to consolidate your fishing gear and you will really really really learn how to use what you have on your kayak and use it effectively and efficiently, right? Yeah. You don't have a limited. Orange Rights Act. Yeah, exactly. Cool, man. I'm glad you had an interesting time. We I know you and I paddled back through the all through the lily pads and stuff. I mean just seeing every wise this is Scenic aspect of that was fun. You know. Yeah and my heart got broke back there before you showed up a gap smoke monster. I lost you know stupid move on me. I shouldn't ask you just reach down there and try to pop that Lily Pad free. But yeah, it's as learning mistake, but I got one when you were there, and then you put on the clinic and then I didn't you know, you were catch them all after that. So - - the what? Was it the spinner bait you threw in the Treetops, I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did. He won pretty good up there. Whatever was that learning curve of being in a kayak versus a front of a boat, right? It's exactly right. That's not it. Awesome, man. Awesome. Brian I've been talking the whole time and my bad us know you're a good man. I'm just I'm just kind of sitting back taking this all in I dig it man. I really got nothing you cover he covered everything but it's just, you know, it's not every day. You meet somebody that makes their base and it's an industry, right? Yeah, but only that, you know, one of the most impressive compressive conversations I had with Cody was that he goes, you know, I want to do everything morally sure. Ghost in his outlook on having team in his outlook on having Pro staffers and ambassadors. It's completely different than what a lot of places. Do, you know and his out his outlook on it, but it really hit home because man, I just want to have a moral base company. I want people to be able to buy a product from me. I want that product to be standard and and I want to do it right. I don't want to take people's money and send them crabs, you know, so the fact that he even plugs eye holes in his in his Jigs and takes the time to do that. I've fought That so many times and I've been so frustrated. Just yeah, sometimes you don't have something to punch that crap out, you know, so we have to struggle with that man, you know, and I think you know me being a small business myself, you know, I mean, that's that's huge. You know, if you don't take pride in what you do and put out a good product. You're not really going to get anywhere fast, right? Yeah, you know words words words going to get out that you know. I just got these Jigs and I holes are always painted closed and skirts falling off, you know, basically everything he talked about that. He hated which drove him into making the the jig's himself. I mean, I think it's great. And yeah, I mean like we touched on with the tungsten, you know, so many companies are designing things and then having them made overseas in China and we all know how that turns out, you know being being able to say you can get a jig that's made here with pride in the United States. I'm all about it. You know, it's packaging's real convenient to like it's like these little Ziploc bags with this logo and stuff gone a minute. I mean, they're not like cheap plastic ziplock. I'm just the style of it, you know, the sealed the top I'll I just even the packaging school. You can sell a lot of thought in time when in just making the packages alone sure how I put that it's all the fake it till you make it. You know, right I think a lot of people, you know, they try to start business and stuff like that not all of them. Obviously. There's a lot of success story stuff like that out there, right sure, but a lot of people don't focus on the small details. Yeah, you know, and if I go into a store right because I'm just now really starting to push the wholesale Market as well. You're trying to get in a lot of shops that you know all around the u.s. Here and if I go into a store Or well, I'm not there to push them, you know so somehow, you know, whether it's a relationship with the shop owner. But even with outside of that, you know, my packaging has to stand out sure. It's not get picked off. The shelf right doesn't get picked up the Shelf will that person never gets to try it I think and so far especially with you know, the business stuff like that, you know, everybody that has given me reviews they've all been extremely positive. It's just the big battle is is getting more and more angry. To trial. Yeah, you know and you know, but like I said, that's the big push now, you know as hey, you know, my mind is thinking right when I go through the design process, you know, I'm able to put keep the quality side of it. You know, really? How do we get this in more and more Anglers hands, you know and you know where you touched on the the moral side of it, you know, and you know kind of what I told you, you know as if the only way I can make money is not being Unable to sleep at night because I screwed over a bunch of people. I'm not interested. You know now part of that might be, you know, like some of the health stuff stuff like that. I you know, I Babble and stuff it kind of gave me a different perspective and even making that jump to finally feeling extremely healthy again. You made me realize like wow, you know. Hey, look yeah money is important. You have to have it right? So it's not necessarily everything. You know, there's a there's a lot of other parts of this that, you know are more. Important to me than just the financial success. Yeah, so very cool there. I dig it. Well Cody working guys go to purchase your jigs follow you on social media all that good stuff. All right. Yeah, so the Facebook page which all the you know, the social media platforms. They have links to the website. Okay, but the Facebook page is jig Masters tackle. Okay, the ground is just just jig Masters really haven't gotten into Twitter or that And then the website itself is simply its w-w-w dot jig Masters.com pretty simple to remember their so yeah, it's pretty much ribbon and go it, you know, go to try some of these out and stuff like that and I talked to Jason little bit earlier before this. You know, what I want to do for everybody that's listening to the paddle and send podcast and there's a discount code for 20% off your order. It's just pmf 20 now. Nice also do a paddle and fin collaboration man of a paddle and fin jig or something we can talk about, you know, we can definitely look into that and that would be tight have her own Jake. I like the sounds of that and you know, I just want to say congratulations now on making 24,000 jigs because I'll be ordering 12,000 after we get off this phone call. So I know I ran. Rave about them during the podcast. I'm just a True Believer in the product. But I'm also just a True Believer in you because you really impressed me with our conversations, you know, I in this industry, it's easy to get pulled into other people's products. And they and we talked about this on a few podcasts. You kind of get pimp by these people, right? So, you know in my conversation with you was I was feeling you out to you know what I mean? Just like your real me I said, you know, this is a good dude. He's Honest, he's moral, you know, he's got his head straight honest about his product. I've used this product. If you guys check out my Instagram page @ J Rick's underscore angler. You'll see me holding up slosh bass, you know it with one of his gigs hanging out of its mouth, you know, and it's it's it's I use it and so I'm not just I'm not looking for a discount, you know, I paid full price for my genetics and and I didn't get anything in return. I just use them and they worked for me and I love them. So, you know for that. I appreciate that. You know I kind of want to tell people to is like if you're strictly getting in this business to get rich quick and should probably get out. Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of misconceptions to right so, you know where we kind of talked about I am, you know how I actually design and stuff like that. You know, you see a lot of these, you know, whether it's startup shops or into small businesses, whatever they're just making maybe their colors are a little tweaked and stuff, but they're you know, they're using a you know, a simple, you know, do it ball that you going to buy it that craft by let's tackle lower parts online wherever which it's still good A lot of those people can still make a you know, nice jig this over my quality on my side as I knew a lot of the designs, you know, they're not necessarily optimized, you know, that's where my nerd engineering side really comes in and why I make a lot of money, you know where I pretty much knew design my own stuff and then also the side to is, you know, You always hear all the markets saturated. You can't make it right. Well, you can't this a be good and be different. Yeah, you can do that. You can stand out and that's going to make your marketing a lot easier right when somebody comes to you and says what makes your why do you think your jigs are better or what makes them better? However, they were there question. You know, I have a just a smorgasbord of stuff to throw Adam sure versus like the oh weather hand. Okay. Oh, there's those that version had made. Okay. Well, what's up reaching there? Oh, I do it better prove. It gets tough. Right it gets really hard to mark it with a lot of my marketing kind of comes natural, you know, and that's that's a big thing too. Like you mentioned on you know, whether it's the Pro Staff team stuff like that or whatever. Yeah, it's something that's extremely important to me is like there's a lot of people that get on prostaff now and not saying everybody's bad. Everybody's good. It's great. Right, but there's a lot of People that get on it as a status thing and it's necessarily come from an honest place, right? Like oh, hey, you got to use your swim baits. Will it find out this guy doesn't even throw some bait, you know, I always tell people if you don't want to you know, if you don't actually enjoy throwing my Jigs and stuff a first tell me, you know, I give me some feedback as to why and if it's you know, hey, I'm just don't like fishing jigs. Okay, that's fine. Right? I'm gonna some product issues that you're just keeping the Self and you want to hurt my feelings. No, please, you know tell me that's the only way I can get better. Right? Right and I'll give a great example that real quick here. But but also, you know, if you don't want to if you don't want to or you don't use my jigsaw, please don't try to Market them right now is it's just not coming coming out as place. You know, we're running back. Hang on one second. I want to show you guys that I'm just not talking smack about this because I can go downstairs and grab one of my rods right now and it will have his jig on it. Alright, so it's like It's I use man. They're good. They're real good. you gave your snaggers but yeah we do get it you talk I'm going to go get it so anyways like I said I'll give you a good example of somebody reaching out to me with a product that you sure you know so one who was as with one of the in it led to a huge change here which I've actually pretty proud of guy kind of any you know he came level-headed you know it was great he says hey look I don't know if you've seen this before and I never experienced it before but I had a skirt come off You know, that's what I am I big no-nos right? Like I don't you know that right. He said now I will admit I won't lie to you is due to a bophit AK a dogfish. Sure. Everybody knows those things are pretty gnarly creatures, you know, they're pretty aggressive when they hit what still it's like. Okay. Well I can do a couple things one. I can let my ego take over and just tell a guy to pound sand sure, but that's probably not a good idea. Right right bad for business. Or I can just not listen to or not, you know respond. I don't like doing that either right? He took the time to reach out to me and give some details sure. But anyways, so I said hey look give me a couple days to figure out how I can improve now reach back out to you. So anyway, so now I have a special. Basically. I do like a wire tie just below but basically just between it ends up going just below the skirt band. Okay, which use a no righto? All right. I know right version of it. So it doesn't just crack on you yo and then in between the skirt keeper flange. I actually come in with wire and tie it off there. So and the reason I didn't go a strictly strict like hand tie is so if an anguish still wants to be able to take it off to change for some reason they can go in there and basically snip that wire tie pretty easily remove it then pull the skirt off, but if they Don't want to discourage never coming off. It's not going to slip it's not going to pull through none of that, you know, so, you know, so once again though, if that guy never reached out to me, you know, how many more months would I have potentially had that issue? Yeah, you know, I really do appreciate all the feedback I can get well that I think that says a lot, you know about you and what you're talking about. You know, it's like you you didn't just blow them off and yeah, you know, it's just because some vicious fish. The Jig you know you came up with a solution so regardless of the fish hitting that jig it's going to hold up and I think that's cool man. That's that says a lot for sure. That's right see that little bandito bug action on there. Yeah. That's what I was using. You see the flat. It's got the flat. Damn it Your Hooks are so sharp man already. Stuck me. Yeah, it is going to have lap back anymore. I mean these things are phenomenal. I mean, it's great. And then as you said it's it's and it's it's probably what a 60 degree angle. It is basically it works out to be fifty Seven ish. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so and as I stated it's on a seven foot three medium heavy fast action Rod my American tackle biohazard Rod, I love So I just not talking smack. I just use your stuff. It's all my rod right there. So I know if I throw that in into the river, I know I'm going to smash something so like yeah, man. Oh man. Hopefully we can have you on again in the future. You really some new product man. We get you on here and you talk about it a little bit more and you know, I know I'm excited. I was excited to have you on we finally made it happen because it seemed like we had Had hurdle after hurdle after hurdle trying to get down. Yeah, we had a company should this. All right, you know, I'm happy to you know be a part of it and definitely look forward to talking with you guys a lot more. Absolutely man. Yeah anytime you're that new stuff coming up. Feel free to reach out man. We'd love to let her listeners know about it. For sure. Yeah appreciate that guys on our Facebook page drop a comment and let us know if we should do a jig Master paddling Finkel a Raishin to come out with their own jigs booming. That would be super cool. Heck. Yeah. So with that being said guys definitely go over to the social media. It's at paddle the letter N in fin on Instagram and Facebook. Also check out the website paddle and fin.com question comment anything like that. Feel free to reach out to on email as well. That's paddle and fin at gmail.com shout-out to rock Town Adventure. Jurors level and canoe and kayak hammered lures you guys know the drill recycled Plastics program mail your used Plastics to the address in the show. Notes are man Eric Richard out at hammered lures melt shows down makes new baits. Shout out to Coyote sunglasses. Fish mob lures Cody Southern Lake company and Michigan Ohio kayak, so definitely guys take advantage. 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Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hey everybody. Welcome to oh my God. I almost had a coronary in the episode. It says 177 and I'm like what? No, that's it's a hundred Seventeen guys. You didn't fall asleep or you know, hit your head fall into a coma wake up 10 years from now. It's okay. Everything's fine. It's a hundred and Seventeen of my bad. That's okay of the secret life of weddings. You'd got to write in the subject title of the email just in they did in the body of the email says episode 177 and then I had to Check myself for a minute. That's make sure I didn't wreck myself. Let's jump straight into the news for this week. Alright, so the Beavers had their second wedding and that's all I'm gonna say about that because what do we do at this point? What do we do? We congratulate them again? Of course, I don't know what to do, of course and then we fawn over every detail. You know what guys just go to Instagram. Like I'm sorry to be that guy but just go Instagram it go look it up. Yeah. I mean, it looks great. What can you just give me a rundown the guess the must have details? What did they do for the second wedding? I did I didn't even look I would love to tell you Lisa, but I didn't look any deeper into this. I don't know so we don't as I don't care. Okay. Well, I want your You know what? If you want to see go looked well, thanks for the mention. Anyway, what's what's what's the next in the news part? According to Taste of Country.com. John party is a party. Yeah charity party is getting married the heartache medication singer proposed to his girlfriend summer Duncan during his headlining set at Nashville's legendary Ryman Auditorium on Wednesday night October 2nd items to be that is but Congratulations, I'm assuming he's a country singer. Yes. Okay, that's why I don't know who this is. I've never heard of him and I've never heard of her take medication. I've also I have heard of the Ryman Auditorium. So let's all give the Ryman Auditorium the clap and congratulations. Well done. Well done for me my Auditorium. He must be doing. All right, if he's playing Ryman Auditorium, so there you go. There you go. Now this week in the fuck it bucket. Yo boy. This pissed me off. Why Lisa? I'm not alone in this. Okay, so Praise be Kendra and Torsten are married insert praying Emoji here. Now. This was actually posted. Okay by a photographer in Cambridge Ontario, which is not far from us. You're not going to say their name. Yes. I will. I'm just giving some background as I'm sure they want me to say their name. So believe me. I'm saying their name van daele. In Russell, that is the photographer. I've never heard of these people but they have like forty thousand likes on Instagram. So I'm like apparently I'm just so far removed from the local photography seen. I have no idea what's going on anymore. Do you know these people? No. Okay, so I think they're out there in London, Ontario anyway. Good God, they posted a photo of a bride and a groom kissing in front of the hanging wall from a handmaid's tale surrounded by handmaids. So I'm going to read you the rest of this fucking post and then I will tell you why it's in the fucking bucket. So praise be Kendra and Torsten are married praying Emoji if there's any. The handmaid's tale fans out there. You'll know most of its filmed in Cambridge. So as fans of the show, it only seemed fitting for there to be some handmaids in que antes wedding photos along the hanging wall in milrays park laughing emoji. Praying Emoji. Okay, Emoji camera Emoji. Okay. Listen. I don't even know where to start with this for those. I feel like I have to go back a step for those who haven't seen it without any spoilers because you all need to watch this or read this book. Well, you won't you also won't be able to see this picture unless you go into groups where people have screenshotted because they have removed it. They have not they have no way. Yep, but NBC News did cover it ha ha ha Funny so tell you what, if you want to see this go to our flock chat group or go to our Facebook group and we will put it in the episode thread. Okay. There we go. All right. So it is a picture of a bride and groom kissing surrounded by handmaids. Now, here's the problem. If you don't follow the handmaids to if you do follow the handmaid's tale, you're going what the fuck if you are logical and human. If you do not know what the handmaid's tale is, let me give you a really quick crash course without any spoilers. Okay. So essentially what it is is It's a flash-forward of like the future not super far near future which is what makes it terrifying and disturbing that women have been relegated to the you know, support role of basically being slaves for baby-making because apparently there has been an epidemic where women aren't able to conceive and actually carry children to term everybody has been affected by this. Nobody knows why and there are only a few women left in the entire world that can actually eat something. With radiation no. Well, okay not that was set in the show. I never read the book. So maybe you read I know you read the book. So you probably have more background than I do, but they didn't give a reason at least that I recall in the show. But either way women can't you know, they're having you know miscarriages. They like nobody can get pregnant or carry a baby to term. So the very few that have been pregnant and carry a baby to term they get their children taken away from Um them and they become handmaids and they are given as handmaids to powerful men in this disgusting future world where women's jobs are taken away and they're basically you're either a slave a useless slave or you are a sex slave to have ibeacon donut like the wives. Yes. So the wives of the you know, the wives of the powerful men are also in on it and basically there's just as you can probably see There's a lot of reasons why this shouldn't be a wedding theme women are constantly raped. Yeah raped all the time. The story is about rape essentially. Yeah, so and using us as service animals essentially. So how is this a good idea and I get that they're trying to go viral. They're trying to do all this but I don't think it's a good idea just because you can do something doesn't Don't mean you should. I think that I think the problem is that you know now they're trying to backpedal and make it about how they're bringing awareness to different things and there's a bunch of their response was truly disgusting. The only thing they're bringing awareness to is how big of a dick they were for put this picture up and honestly on his personal Facebook, he had it as his his cover photo. He was all happy with what he And and oh, yeah, I was just shocked because I don't know. I don't know how you can do that and people are outraged. They really are because not only were they insulting everybody with their response. But you know, they didn't they just they just didn't stop for a minute to think about what they were actually doing I can we just say the response said something along the lines of okay. Well we agree. With all of you, it's good. We wanted to get this talked about and bullshit bullshit bullshit and it's like no no. No, you just wanted to kick kick up a storm and you know get more followers and I'm sorry that's not it doesn't excuse using that as a prop. Yeah, and it they also said take a step back and consider you may not actually know the facts either. This image was created and put out by a pair of gender traders who are no strangers to many of the subplots of Oppression. I'm sorry what but yeah, I mean had they seen the couple in the photo was gender Traders or that they know they're saying they're being called gender traitor. Sorry that was in Asians I know who who was the photographer who are the gay people in this for the record the handmaid's tale calls gay people algae BT Q gender Traders, that's part of the story. Yeah. So, who were they saying where the gender Traders putting out this photo? That this image was created and put out by a pair of gender traders who are no strangers to many of the subplots of Oppression violence and inequality that run through Margarets brilliant work. Okay. So what they're saying is the photography team who put this out our lgbtq and apparently that's a good enough reason for this. Yeah, but it's not. Yeah, so where it went on to say, like everyone's reacting the exactly as they expected. Oh just like in Gilead and missing the opportunity. Think for themselves to educate themselves their Patron izing us now and become engaged in correcting Humanities break down instead of instantly attacking. Oh, so we should be thankful for them yet. They could doing with congrats for adding to that today. Why exactly are you offended question mark have you asked yourself question mark and what are you actively doing about it in the real world question mark I want to thank you. Thrilled we're thrilled that this is starting a conversation. Thank you for being moved by an issue. This is so bad. My face right now is not that deserves much much more attention and don't forget if this had been a happy couple surrounded by superheroes like Batman and Superman. You wouldn't have even stop scrolling to comment June along with every fighting handmade or human in the midst of struggle and oppression is the ultimate superhero kiss hug s&c. Oh your face. Oh my god. Oh, no, that's not a thing. You can say or know your compare. No. Yeah. I'm sorry. You are so hard in the fucking bucket this week. I can't even deal with you. Nope, guys, the fucking bucket is full of like shit. You shouldn't do and wedding photos because it's just not fucking good for Humanity. It's don't do it. Yeah, it's insensitive and shitty. I like some of the photographer's coming out of the woodwork to comment about how badly Photoshopped it was. Actually one of the one I saw was like does it annoy anybody else that their hoods aren't even on both sides and I was like, yes, thank you. That's what's bothering me the most about this photo I kid. But it's true. It was like, you know, what was up one was down one was and I'm like I would have spent a lot more time moving that girl over there and moving that girl of yeah, but no, I think the issue is that people, you know, and people were saying a stop being so sensitive and this net you guys yo, we love him. This is their society now. Oh, yeah, and I think people need to adjust. Okay, I don't think you know, everybody else needs to adjust. I think we need to adjust what we're actually putting out there. You know, it's a balance of the two. Yes for sure. But I do I mean I'm not put that photo out know and expect it. Oh, I'm sure they wanted it to go viral. I'm sure that was the point and I think a lot of people say, you know, it's even bad publicity is good publicity. I will tell you right now, it's not only the photo but their response that I will be shocked if they are business survives. Yeah, I will be I really will be I'll be I would be shocked because I first of all I don't know how that couple even let that slide. Yes of all. How did they think this was a good idea and I was wondering out loud in my head. Like is anybody attacking the couple? Yeah. I don't know. I know according to NBC News the couple refused to comment about it. Oh smart for once. Hmm, you know what and If I was that couple and it wasn't something and my photographer went and did that on their own I'd be like remove me do not do that to me. Like I wouldn't want to be put out there like that. Hmm But I think you would have taken the photo in the first place though. Oh fuck no like bullying is a photographer. We're trained to recognize any unique opportunity. It would have fully crossed my mind and I would have immediately went nope. You know, that's a big old. Nope. Nope. Yeah, even it and you know Lisa it goes with those all those other photos to I'm not saying this is the same but I'm saying like this were putting this shit in the fucking bucket as well is that you know showing your PIN he's showing your couch blowjobs, like all of this all of that. You know, what come on Bad Idea photo shoots. Yes. Oh my God, I can't even yeah. I can't even also being chased by giant things in Not doing that either so fuck off. Oh my God, so stupid. Okay. I can't as we lived. Hey, I survived 11 years is wedding photographer through that Trend. So and I didn't do it one day. I'm time. Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. But yeah, so if you're thinking about having a handmaid's tale themed wedding don't don't do that. Maybe don't that didn't that didn't we're gonna put you in the fuck it bucket didn't the Kardashians have a Halloween party? Arthur's was a birthday party. Yeah. Yeah, they had a handmaid's tale themed birthday party. Yep. Yeah, you can't compare superheroes to the handmaid's tale think that's a whole level of stupidity. I can't even back up. Like I just can't that was like a Stretch Armstrong level stretch for yes, right. I just nope. It's true can't get there my gosh. I can't even yeah, so if you're all riled up about it, so Everyone else and join us. Yeah, and they removed it. So they've taken it down. They've taken down the comments taken down the post. He's removed it from his personal Facebook as well. That's a shame. He was so proud of it. Okay, he was very proud of it. And even in his personal one, he was basic saying it's not a big deal. Like I don't even know. Well, I hope he knows now. I think he's a problem. You're the problem. I love my engagement ring, but I always wanted a bigger Stone. I started looking at diamonds. It was going to cost us like 12 to 15 thousand dollars. 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She finally got her accounting qualifications and she could earn serious wedge, which I assume means money and that's just so cute. So cute finally years of evening classes with him home alone were over but no She wanted to do more classes. So given she had more earning potential than him. He agreed. He carries on explaining how proud he is of her beavering away. It's great for so many evenings. He adds how thankful. He is for several Lads in the room bringing him to the position. He was in a strange choice of words. I thought he asked the men in the room to turn over their dinner plates main course was yet to be served. And and stand up if they had a red dot on the underneath of their plate. I do I have no Red Dot eight men stand up some bemusedly one or two suddenly looking uncomfortable at being the center of the attention one is a brother of the groom. Another is his boss. Our groom pulls out a rather thick envelope and hands it to his bride explaining that it's traditional to give the bride a present on the wedding day. And he wanted to give her something unique that very few Brides have probably ever had she opens it baffled. We are all baffled. Well, she starts to read he explains that he's known all along that. She's been sleeping around for years and that he has photos to prove it. She is openly crying now the standing men look like they wish they were someplace else. He apologizes to the wives of the standing men who presumably also wish they were someplace else one of them stands up and walks out leaving her husband behind. He says your present my dear our papers for our divorce with that. He puts the mic down should have dropped it for a fact really and walks out pursued by a furious father-in-law who is probably angry about wasting the best part of 40,000 pounds on the wedding. Holy shit. Yeah. That's a good one. It's not crazy. That's insane. Oh dear. I love I love the story the random story about the contest for the longest speech bet it has nothing to do with anything else it totally it totally sent me down the Primrose path. I was expecting like a best man's story. Oh God that that's fucked. That's fuck. Yeah. That's a whole level. Yeah. That's a good one. But wow, I I mean to go to that extent he put little dots on the bottom of their plates. I appreciate that effort, you know, like it's the it's the details that really make a wedding unique and special right? These people are my heroes. Yeah me too. Thanks to our patreon members this week Victoria a man, of course Charlotte Solomon our producer for the week and our new flick shot members as well. They went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get more episodes go do it all and go to our Like chat group, you can also get the episodes their stream it right in the app and chat with us. All right. Our next story is from Carrie. Okay. I love your podcast. I have binged every episode over the last four months. You guys have gotten me through long commutes long workdays and heartbreak. Thank you so much for the laughs. I've shared your show with anyone with a pulse. But especially my friends who are freshly engaged awesome fresh meat Rebecca. Yes. And now she has two tails for us, but we're I'm only giving you one this week. Okay, they aren't super flashy. But to be honest would just love to hear your commentary wedding went wedding one. I attended as a guest in high school. It was very Catholic ceremony for my very Catholic teacher from my very Catholic School System. We were in the cathedral for more than two hours Miss Mary. Let's call her that for the sake of calf. The Catholic theme was the eldest daughter of my family friends. So I had grown up with her as my babysitter and my middle school history teacher. She had often made comments about wanting to find her prince charming and I could tell even at age 10 that she was feeling pressure from the fact that all her younger siblings were married before her which is sucky for a whole bunch of reasons since she was really independent. I looked up to her for that. I think the pressure mostly came from her parents our small-town Midwestern Community was very traditional and some days archaic. Like all the girls in my high school class were given the book how to find God's Prince Charming for you as a graduation gift. Oh, that's a whole lot of problems right there under his eye. Well, the guys were given study planners because that was the expectation for our College Years, but I digress yikes. That's a whole lot of yikes praise me when Miss Mary finally found God's Prince Charming for her. She was determined to You do everything right? He let's call him Joseph to stay on brand. I appreciate that. Yeah, we're so in love with her and really seemed quite perfect for her. Joseph was more than willing to do whatever it took to make her happy. He got a new job and move States for her. He was prepared to wait until marriage for her. He even converted for her because he knew how important Catholicism was for her. So after a long engagement waiting on him to get confirmed as a member of the Holy Catholic Church their wedding day finally arrived. It was beautiful everything blush pink and gold. Oh Lisa your favorite. Hey string quartet the high school chamber choir probably 300 guests filling the historic church, the priest gave a beautiful sermon and led them through their vows. It was perfect until the groom leaned in to kiss his bride and she dodged the kiss the fuck. Oh awkward. I'm talking a matrix bullet dodging back bed. Most epic swerves of f epic swerves. There was an awkward beat and the priest cleared his throat and decided to press on probably trying to cover for the poor groom about an hour later when they were finally wrapping up the service that priest ends the formal mass and says while looking at Miss Mary you are allowed to kiss the I do know you can kiss and church if it's your wedding and they did finally get their kiss too much Applause. But wow, what an awkward moment the groom's ego. Definitely took a hit that day. Why did she dodged that? Oh God, is it because she's super religious. I don't know. I mean has she never been to a wedding? I don't know. All I know is that I would have been hilarious to see though. Yeah, I mean I would have been laughing for sure, but it's weird and you know what? I mean, there are certain religions that don't kiss in public and stuff like that. For sure. Yeah some South Asians. Yeah, maybe a Jewish ones. Yep, but I've never seen it in a Catholic. I know the good sometimes the priest tells them they're not allowed to kiss. Yeah, but he said they could I know. That's the weird thing. That's so crazy. I don't even know what to I've had my clients. Like they want to have the kiss picture but the group that priest will put it in the ceremony just because they just won't they refused. So we they sneak in at the end like right before you go back down the aisle. I'm like have a kiss. I'll get the picture for you and then you walk back. Yeah, that's weird that I don't know weird and hilarious, but thank you for that. That was really entertaining for us. Not so much for the groom. But for us yes, yes. Well written and I like the names very well done. Yes. Hey ladies, please. Don't use my name. I'd like a badass name for this story. So use your imaginations to Lula your now Tallulah. How is that a badass name? I don't know it. I thought of it ReSound so pretty Tallulah. Oh she wants badass Sigourney Weaver Sigourney. Okay, you know what? That's great. We're going to Sigourney Halloween's coming up alien. Love it. Okay, we're here with exactly horny right Sigourney rights. I love your podcast. I enjoy your escapades through headphones at work. I get married in May. And I'm binging all of your episodes. I'm currently on episode 70. I enjoy you so much. I feel I owe you a story. This definitely isn't as dramatic as a lot of your content, but it was a cringy uh-oh moment. Those are some of our faves don't ever under play against Gio moment. Right exactly. Why the name screams exists, right? Yes, so to set the scene a beautiful old Manor House in the English Countryside magnificent Gardens with a lake and Ducks a large. Fountains surrounding Fields with cows and sheep and a stunning Church a few minutes away. It was super pretty the groom who is my cousin is from a lovely family. Everyone's nice. My auntie in particular is a babe. She is just a genuinely lovely lady super tolerant and has a really calming Vibe about her. So the day progresses beautifully, we cry laughs drink eat. Lalala Shake syrup of amazing then it's time. Time for the speeches. My cousin has his brother as one best man. He does a short speech sweet, but he's quite shy so he kept it simple fine. Then it was time for his other best man. Speech. I would rise the other best man's voice got to be a good reason. Oh boy in my opinion the second best man had Googled how to give a best man's speech tried and failed. I fucking hate when people do that. Even though I do it's jokes were cringy and just missed the funny mark. It was awkward to watch as he reaches the end of his speech. He shares a secret with his audience. He recounts a night that he'd been out with the groom in their friend group gotten wasted of course and decided to steal some traffic cones. Ha ha that's actually funny amazing in England. This is quite a classic drunken teen activity. However on this occasion there were police Nearby and watching when asked to stop playing with the traffic cones the groom decided to backchat the police. I guess that means talk back and run away with a traffic cone for fun. He's kind of my hero right now, right clearly the police on duty were having a what the actual fuck day and went after him. Oh, no, the groom now has a criminal record. Oh no and to this day he has As to explain it in job interviews as it shows up on Security checks. That's amazing. That's great. Now I didn't know this and found it quite entertaining. I've been out with him drunk and I can totally see it happening. My husband would do this. Yeah. Totally would it on my head? Oh God his mom. However, burst into tears. Oh, no, she was so upset with him for doing such a stupid thing but more so for keeping it a secret for nearly 10 years. It's not exactly the thing you go over for Thanksgiving. Giving real like Mom. I've got something to share with you. What have you been up to this point? Well, I have a criminal record for stealing a traffic cone. So great the best man's face turned into a what the fuck have I done expression and he quietly sat down without his cheers. My dad took me my poor Auntie spent the rest of the evening. Remember UK weddings are 12 to 2 trying hard to smile but confided in my parents later about how devastated she was to have found out such a thing during a speech at her son's Reading so best men know your audience and if you aren't funny don't bother trying. That is solid advice Sigourney. Thank you so much for your story. That's all that's a great story - it's so funny. He was totally outed. That's hilarious. Okay guys today. I need to talk to you about Casita by Lutron. It's smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron Pioneers in Smart Home Technology. 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Learn more about Casita at Lutron.com secret life. That's Lutron a.com Secret Life. Here's another story. I was at a friend's wedding reception and we're having a good time dancing by different friends kid, maybe five or six years old was hiding under a table while Parents were getting shit-faced Ting ignoring him the kid then starts running and laughing through the dance floor and I see him wipe something that looks like chocolate on the bride's dress. She's mortified and everybody stops dancing. It was it was shit. He had shit into his hand and wiped it on people. What's this song Sunshine in my pocket? It's definitely the DJ is really on point, but I got shit on your wedding dress. I got it's fabulous. And if this isn't the best ending years later, my wedding was child-free. That's another good reason. This is someone who learns from their life experiences. Yes, exactly. Very smart learn from it learn from it. We have double D's this week and we're on dating? Hi ladies. I was just catching up in the last couple episodes and I realized I had a dating story I could send in in this case. I was the Bad date, so guys don't forget if you have a story send it to us secret life of weddings at gmail.com Double D's we focus on dating and divorce stories. So hit us up or you can send us a wedding story or Bachelor Bachelorette, whatever floats your boat is funny and we'll get a kick out of will totally read because it's are shown we can do what we want. I went on a date with a guy I had met on Tinder. He was to pick me up for dinner and a movie. I was incredibly nervous and didn't want to go outside when he pulled in the driveway and I saw how cute he was in person. My roommates boyfriend had been running around the house are humping and yelling date date date for the past. Do you think to be fair? I would do that. Do you think it was are pumping like pumping your fist in the air or is it are humping because are humping like with you're really at your groin. That's what I thought. I'm just making sure so she's been are humping for the past hour. So when he ran outside to meet the guy, I knew I had to go out before he did something to embarrass me really dinner went well despite being really nervous but a few minutes into the movie. I realized that this guy was probably going to kiss me when he dropped me off after the date. This was my first official first date and had never had the awkward first. Is that the door? Oh God, that's terrifying. I worried about this the entire movie. I was so nervous about it that when we pulled up in my driveway. I took off my seat belt and hopped out of his truck as fast as I could said Thanks for Everything slammed the truck door closed and one in the house. So she's like success achieved. I texted him almost immediately after to say that I know I must have looked incredibly uninterested in him and that I was just nervous. We've been dating for over four years now, so luckily I didn't scare him off on that first date love the podcast in a very excited to listen to some fellow Canadians, Jamie. Thanks, Jamie. Got a super cute. That is a cute story. I like I love it's funny. I love when it goes a different direction. You're like oh and they're together forever and and then, you know next up you get married and have babies. That's what I've decided is your future. So yeah, that's the episode for this week. But what how have you been Rebecca? I'm sick. Yes you are you poor baby. Yeah. I've been sick all week. You actually sound really good considering Because I talked to you on the phone a couple days ago. And you sounded worse. Are you turning a corner? I don't think I don't feel like I am now but I'll feel like shitty band. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like everything hurts and I'm tired. I have a wedding tomorrow. So do you really? Yeah, we're Caledon. Okay, that's not far from me at all out in the country a little bit kalinin is beautiful area here in Ontario. Yeah. Was it Royal Ambassador? I think it's a oh, yes. Yes. I yeah, there were a couple times not to worry. Yeah, I'm one of those photographers that rally. Oh, yeah, don't worry. He's also incredibly stubborn. She never goes to the doctor. She got her tissues. She's just I don't need to yeah, you do. Yes. Yeah you do. I'm good. You didn't go for your ankle. Remember it'll-it'll it all works itself out eventually. Yeah, probably healing and correctly and you're something else. Probably you are probably but I'm in Atlanta next week. Yeah, you're you know, you're get you're going down for for a podcast conference for flick chattering. Shh. Yeah, I am so I'm pumped about that. That's awesome. Can't wait. Hope to see some podcasters solutely. I'm sure I will but at I'm attending a wedding which yes is like a big deal because that's crazy. We don't do that craziness. I never attend a wedding. So I want to attend weddings. I like weddings just Then I got an air B&B in downtown Toronto and we're going to yeah, we're going to the wedding of my congenita. So Mike is one of Justin's oldest buddies and he actually was the MC at our wedding. Nice. Yeah, so it's going to be fun because like I said, none of our friends get married like ever so this is a good. Yeah. This is a good time for us big big fan of that. So awesome. I think I'm going to wear the black dress. I were in Paris, you know with the nice. Yeah. Yep, and I cut my hair so So yeah, that's interesting. It's gonna look good. There you go. Yeah. I got a I got a lob everybody a lob which I totally didn't know what that was. I'm so out of touch with what's cool. So is that my stylist and she's the best she I love her so much. I drive an hour for her and I was like, I don't know. I kind of feel like a change, you know, and she's like she want to see what's trending like yeah. What the fuck whatever. Okay, let's let's see and I'm expecting to see something completely random and she showed me and it was gorgeous the the city the style so it's a long bob is Yeah, what I what I ended up with because I had I had long ass hair actually. Yeah, and I thought I wanted to keep it long but I was kind of like she's like I assure you want to cut it because you know, it's going to take you like two years to grow back was long. Like now I'm over it. Just hahaha kit off. It's fine. Yeah, I just needed a change nice changing careers. Yeah. Oh and I have to tell you my big news. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I already told Rebecca this but yeah got my exam results back. Whoo, took my exam for of course one out of what? Five for the real estate stuff. I got 95% Yeah, you did. Yeah, I did. Yeah, you did I did so that is a yay for me. I was just super anxious about getting those results back. So yay. Yeah, and then it was like 75 multiple choice questions and it was all oh my God, I'm such a dork. I bought I went to Staples. I bought like just in case like a calculator. I bought pre sharpened pencils. I bought a pencil sharpener. Opener I'm so fucking old Rebecca. I walk in there. It's like on computers like oh, yeah, I'm expecting a Scantron, you know, and I'm going to myself to my bring a pencil or pen like, oh, of course, I bring a pencil what if I make a mistake and all this it's like so Advanced I'm taking a test in probably 15 years. Yeah. I'm so old most of its computerised Downey. I have no idea and it was really Any system you actually log in so it was all under our log in our learner portal and stuff because we actually do all the learning online for this real estate course in Ontario right now. It's all three Humber College. So you log in and then I was able to get my result like first thing in the morning the next day by logging in so it was really cool. But you go in and then you could actually out of 75 questions that were all multiple choice you could bookmark if you wanted to go back and yeah relook at something. Our house so I've bookmarked like six of them out of 75 and then I kind of went back at the end and yep changed some of my answers around but it was really really cool. Yeah, I'll awesome. I dug the digital side of it. You know what I mean? You dig it you dig it. So I'm starting course to on Monday. And this one's a biggie. This one's like supposed to be 70 hours. The first one was like 15 hours. Yeah, so it's going to take me a while and then I'll probably be able to to do my next exam sometime in December. Yeah. So yeah, I'm super excited though. I'm loving it. I think it's going to be a good time and I'm learning tons. And if you have any questions about the land registry system in Ontario are easements and encroachments. I'm asking you and your yeah, I'm your girl. I have retained so much of this information surprisingly, so Yeah, that's cool. It's the Shays having a good time. Yay. Well, that's awesome. That is oh can we can we tease something? What are we teaching our new thing? Yeah guys. We have a secret and it's not slow. It's not slow what we're gonna be doing a thing brand-new. Yep coming to your apps and computers in I'm into I headphones near you and phones near you and the next two weeks. I would say Right. Yep, so stay tuned because you're going to want to it's very different very very different. That's all I'm telling you. Okay is terrible teaser or is it the best teaser that ever I was very vague. We should give it a name. You know how they have like secret project names in the government. Yeah like Project Arcturus. That's the one from The Simpsons, but what's a good one project? Sigourney Weaver project Sigourney Weaver, this is what it is projects project to Lula now projects Authority Weaver. Okay. Yeah, just stay tuned. Yeah, so that's all I'm saying. Well, thanks for listening to a hundred and Seventeen. That's our episode. Not a hundred and seventy-seven 117. This week comes to curl over weddings podcast and Rebecca anything can happen at weddings and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for Us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast. If you need more drama in your life go over to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. So go check it out patreon.com secret life of weddings, and we will see you here next week.

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This is optimal living daily episode eleven. Oh one making the biggest Decisions by tying in of Tainan.com. And I'm just a moloch the guy that reads to you every single day of the year including weekends and holidays to help you optimize your life taste post being from Tainan before we get to it. I'll be getting my vitamins and supplements from care of it's a monthly subscription vitamin service that separates out your vitamins daily into individual packets and personally tailored to your exact needs. And ends up costing like 20% less compared to similar Brands and for 25% off your first month of personalized care of vitamins. Just visit take care of.com and enter the promo code Old the sokoto LD for 25% off your first month at take care of.com. I'll tell you more about how that works after the reading. So for now, let's get to today's post as we optimize your life. Making the biggest Decisions by tying in of tine and.com. I wanted to write a post about making the biggest decisions before doing so I thought I'd jot down some of mine and look for commonalities. What surprised me most was how few decisions of this magnitude there were depending on where I set the bar. I've probably only made 10 huge decisions in my entire life. I made the first about 20 years ago. So I make one every two years here are some of what I consider to be the biggest decisions dropping out of school deciding to travel around the world for an extended period Of time moving to Las Vegas as well as other moves living in an RV focusing entirely on pick up for one or two years and getting married is interesting to realize how few there were specially while keeping in mind the enormous changes. They've made in my life. In other words. They are even higher leverage than it subconsciously consider them to be you may be surprised at some things that aren't on that list. I consider my group real estate purchases to be relatively small decisions while they've had a big impact. None of them were huge Investments or difficult to decide. I don't count starting or stopping various businesses because I just assumed that if I didn't start Cruise sheet, for example, I would have started something else and those decisions are also easy. I'm not actually married yet so we can discount that one for the sake of discussion. If you're familiar with my work though. You probably know about the others. They were all pivotal points in my life that radically changed my results it is of course impossible to know if any of Them were the right decisions to me. They feel like they are because I'm a hundred percent satisfied with my life and all of them were major contributors, but perhaps if I didn't travel something much better would have happened during that time hard to imagine but I would have never imagined my life as it is. Anyway, the thing is this is always how these decisions are. You never know whether you made the right ones more not it's important to be comfortable with that because if you aren't then you'll be scared to make the decisions big decisions can be scary. Re and that's how they're sometimes supposed to be part of the skill and making these decisions is being comfortable with that discomfort and having faith in yourself to make the best of them the biggest mistake. I see people make with big decisions ironically is thinking too much about them around half of mine were time-sensitive and would have been more difficult or impossible. If I deliberated too long in the same way that debt insidiously siphons money out of your bank account without you really noticing excessive deliberating siphons away your Cheers, I think we all know plenty of people who stay at a job or in a relationship for years too long or waited years to start a project or make a move. They should have done years ago. If you look at my list, I literally did not take more than a day to think about any of the big decisions. I made I always had in the back of my head that I would probably drop out someday, but I did it on the same day that I seriously considered it for the first time. I bought my place in Vegas the same day. I found it even without seeing it within 15 minutes of seeing a spot open up in the project Hollywood pick up house. I committed to move the first time my fiancé and I talked about getting married in the near future. We set a date three months out. I tried very hard to come up with a big decision that I considered to have worked out poorly. I can't think of any the closest I can come up with are a few Investments I've made but overall my investments have drastically outpaced the market and as an ex-pro Gambler, I knows the nature of the game that not every bet will pay off I can however think of Is where I made a mistake by not making a decision fast enough there were relationships that I knew should end but I put off by months there are several businesses. I should have started early more ended more quickly. This isn't so much about me as much as it is about the nature of these sorts of decisions with the right attitude and a little bit of grit. I think that very few of what we see is biggest decisions actually end up poorly in most cases these decisions fit the mold of having very large potential upsides and very small. Potential downsides we're often more scared of the uncertainty of the situation than we are with the actual worst case scenario. For example, it might be scary to drop everything and travel around the world. But at the end of the day, you can always fly back if it turns out it's not for you you've paid for a plane ticket or two more than you should have if it is for you then maybe you've changed your whole life focusing on pick up was the one from my list. I had perhaps the biggest potential downside if it didn't work. I would have given up a year or two of Productivity and I would have felt like an idiot which is probably the more visceral and emotional downside. The upside was enormous though while some alternative paths are unclear. I'm completely certain that I would not be in as good a relationship with as excellent of a girl as I am. Now. I simply didn't have the skills to find that person. Let alone keeper a fundamental bargain in life is the trading of discomfort for gain. We all do it and the most successful among us do it a lot. The asymmetry of big decisions having huge tangible potential upsides versus moderate fear-based emotional downsides. It's important to build a habit and skill of taking the less comfortable path eventually get to the point where you are conditioned to enjoy the discomfort because you associate it with an eventual reward. This doesn't happen quickly, but it does happen and when it does you make even faster progress because these biggest decisions become Hills rather than mountains. You just listen to The Post titled making the biggest Decisions by tying in of Tainan.com. So recently try it out care of it's a monthly subscription vitamin service made from effective quality ingredients and personally tailored to your exact needs 90% of people fall short of FDA guidelines for at least one vitamin or nutrient. So I took their fun online quiz, which asks about your diet health goals and lifestyle and their recommendations are based on clinical research and from doctors and nutritionists. 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Welcome to the steroid podcast with your book can the bodybuilder from Thailand? Start the steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history. You have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long. Now, let's get on with the podcast. First question for today is from vintage black and he asks, can you use HCG as a base instead of testosterone? And yeah, you could use HCG as a base instead of testosterone. But the thing is is that your testosterone is going to be at really high normal levels something around a thousand nanograms per deciliter. If you're on HCG that's like an average and when you do that, you're not going to have that much of a boost over natural from it. One of the reasons why you inject testosterone is because injecting a lot of testosterone 500 milligrams 750 milligrams thousand milligrams. Is really potent and it has a really strong Synergy having a lot of testosterone has a really strong Synergy with the other steroids. So when you combine High dosages of testosterone with other steroids, it makes the other steroids work a lot better. So the things that you want to get out of those other steroids their effects that they're known for and famous for they will Express those effects much more potent Lee as you increase the dosage of testosterone that you Is with them. So if you're using HCG as a base instead of testosterone while you're not going to be getting the advantage of having those really high testosterone levels from injecting, you know, a few CCS a week. So it's the other steroids that you use aren't going to be as strong because they're not going to have a high dosage of testosterone like a blasting dosage of testosterone 250 milligrams of testosterone per week really isn't very strong like you can make a bit better gains. Than natural but it's not something that's going to blow you away like at all. So it really I mean testosterone really comes to life around three CC's per week. So around 700 milligrams per week. That's when the character of testosterone the full effects of the drug really are noticed you get effects from lower doses. Absolutely. But once you hit that 700 milligrams per week Mark, that's where the Full life or character of testosterone comes out. And once that comes out then allows those other steroids that you're using to express themselves fully to it's sort of a hard thing to say, but the guys who have been there and done that will be not in their heads right now and they're here in this because they know exactly what I'm talking about, but for the guys that are new to this it's kind of a difficult thing to talk about and explain to You but the thing the things that those steroids are known for you know, each steroid at is known for something and has its characteristics its characteristic qualities that it brings to the table. And when you get up to a seven hundred milligram + dosage of testosterone, the testosterone for one is able to express its full character. Its whole plate of effects were spectrum of X and then having that high testosterone in their makes the other steroids like the anabolic such as the wind straw and of are trembling Preamble and super jaw and a draw to run a ball Etc. It makes having those high testosterone dosages makes those other steroids be able to work better and really Express their affects the way that you want them to because if you don't take any testosterone those other steroids They won't really even like be able to express their character. You know, if you say Winnie Winstrol is a hardener, right? Well now if you take Winstrol with no testosterone in your natural testosterone after a couple weeks goes away. You'll start looking kind of like flat and because you're looking like flat and not having like a three popping full-fed looking muscle, you won't look as muscular. You won't you won't look you just won't have that. That big popping look with the muscles bulging against the skin. So having that testosterone in there, it makes a huge difference in the ability of these other steroids to be able to work their magic. So that's why there's so much importance on getting the testosterone, you know, if you have no way of getting testosterone. Yeah, you could use HCG as a base and that's what I would do if I had no way of getting testosterone I Get testosterone then. Yeah, I'd use HCG as base and that seems like a reasonable thing to do and I'd use it with other shit. If I couldn't get a steroids like oral steroids like Anna draw and shitou's with it. Then I would use arms with it. So that's like the Spectrum, you know, I'd prefer to have testosterone. But yeah, absolutely I could just go with HCG if there was no freaking possible way I could get testosterone then I could just go with HCG and like Oral steroids are other steroids and that's definitely better than not using HCG is way better than not using HCG because you actually have a freaking functioning testicles and like functioning endocrine system and functioning sex drive. Nick's question is answering a competitor from Switzerland who says greetings to you, sir. Reviewing my future cycle 1200 milligrams Deca per week is not too much as it don't want to lose detail will stack with an oral. Summer cycle wind strong Winter Toronto ball spring and of our yeah, that sounds great. This guy. He's a he's a competitor and he's holding a good amount of size. And a good amount of definition so some guys may say wow 1200 milligrams of decorative. That's a lot. Okay. Well, this is one of the men who has experiment did and found that he likes Deca Cycles only so there is a group of users who find testosterone use to be to be undesirable some people this is this is uncommon guys. Most people who use Testosterone like it but there are some guys who just have a hard time with it and they're the minority. And so this is one of those guys and when the when you can't handle the testosterone a lot of times these side effects are things like you have a girlfriend and for some reason it makes them like feel like lusting after like every woman they see all day and they don't want to do it, but it's just like an instinct so some As get this like more than others and some some guys also it really stimulates that a lot and just makes them a little bit too out of control. So these are some of the reasons it's usually mental side effects. But then again some guys do it. They don't use like to use testosterone because it gives them like severe acne or something like that. So there are several different reasons why guys decide I don't want to use testosterone and but it's unusual most people like testosterone and should use testosterone but here we've got a guy this competitor from Switzerland who is he's a deck only guy and you know, what Deca has been studied and used in hormone replacement therapy and it does seem to give these guys that use the DECA only but they don't use the DECA with testosterone. It does seem to give these guys proper hormonal functioning the Deka. So this is an option. If you for some reason really do not like testosterone. I'm just talking to the general public not to this guy not giving him advice. He already knows what he's doing but to the general public. Yeah it if you can't handle testosterone for some reason which would be odd, but if you can't Then doing Deca without testosterone can be an option for you. Some guys that are worried about hair loss to this can be an option for them. Because if you are taking Deca only then you're not producing any dihydrotestosterone because you have no testosterone in your blood in order to be converted into dihydrotestosterone and dihydrotestosterone is what makes your hair fall out if you're susceptible to that. So if you take Deca only you're not going to speed up your hair loss. If hair loss is in your genes. Okay, so this guy says 1200 milligrams of deck up for a week. And you know, that's that's a pretty good dosage because most guys who are big at the gym most big guys. Most guys that you say. Well that looks like he's like he's definitely like juicing. He's definitely like on gear and like that's a big strong big strong dude, you know a thousand milligrams per week of steroids. Is like a good starting dosage for guesstimating, you know, like about what guys like that look like that take when you see that look in the gym of this guy's really develop. He's really muscular and and these kind of like bigger guys in the gym who you know, they look like bodybuilders. a dosage of somewhere between 1,000 to 2,000 milligrams of total steroids per week is a good dosage to produce that kind of body and it would be definitely That the majority of guys who are pretty big like pretty pretty big. You know, I'm pretty muscular at your gym are using somewhere between a thousand two thousand milligrams of steroids per week. So the 1200 milligrams Deca may sound high but in actuality it is the perfect dosage. Okay, the next question is from Evan and Evan asks about die Hydro bouldin on which is an injectable steroid also known as one testosterone. So one testosterone or die Hydra Boldon is a steroid that is not traditionally used. But that was used in the prohormone 1 and row. Which is the supplement that Mark McGwire took during the 90s and it was found in his locker and then they started talking about steroids in baseball because of that and it's something that definitely works to build muscle. So there's an injectable form of the active steroid that that prohormone that Mark McGwire was using that is available. As an injectable product and it's on the market. So this stuff works. It doesn't turn into estrogen and it builds muscle it definitely works, but it's pretty it's considered pretty exotic and it's hard to source. So whenever you have stuff that is exotic and hard to Source the number one question that you got to be asking yourself. Is do I trust that this stuff is legit. Okay, because there's no pharmaceutical grade stuff. You know, there's no pharmaceutical grade 1 testosterone being sold. So that automatically means that you've got some drug dealers manufacturing the stuff that you were going to inject into yourself. So it's always better to find a pharmaceutical grade, sir. Made by a licensed pharmaceutical grade Company by government. So you know that what you're buying is inspected by the government and meant to be injected into humans not made in a bathtub by some drug dealer who doesn't give a shit about you. So that's the first thing. Okay, if you're finding this product you're taking that risk, but it does work. It does build muscle. It does build strength that has no estrogenic or progestogen excited effects. It's if you can find it clean and you can find it high quality. Yeah, absolutely. It'll work in a similar way to what Prima Bolin would as far as the results that it will have on your body and it should be a little bit stronger than Prima Bolin to something around 600 milligrams per week should have quite a nice effect. On your physique and so the next question is from Phillip. And he asks is the one and row prohormone liver toxic. Okay. So the difference between the 1 and row pull hormones now and the 1 and row pro hormones when Mark McGwire was taking them is that if you remember the one that Mark McGwire was taking was called one ad so it was a one-step conversion to this to this one testosterone die Hydra bouldin on stuff. And so the one that that one is now illegal the one-step conversion. And so now the prohormone that you can buy just you know, the supplement shop or whatever that is called one Androids a two-step conversion has to do to conversions inside of your body in order to turn into one testosterone or die Hydra bouldin on so because of that is not as powerful. It's not as potent, but it does still work and it is fairly. Of as far as supplements that you can buy. It's got to be the most self effective supplement and it turns into that powerful steroid one testosterone once it's in your body. So arms are more powerful than this stuff. But this is be a close second of things. You can buy legally and get anabolic effects from and the thing with the 1 and row prohormone. Is that it is not liver toxic. Okay. It doesn't have a 17 Alpha alkylation modification made to the steroids carbon chain, and that's what makes oral steroids be able to survive the liver and makes them liver toxic stress has delivered to have that modification to the steroid molecule. But these these Andro pro hormones don't Contain that modification. So Philip if you're worried about the 1 and row being a liver toxic steroid or prohormone. It isn't so you can feel better about that. It's able to survive digestion and metabolism by the liver without having that liver toxic component to it. Next question dad Rod asks how to use Clomid for PCT. Okay. So with Clomid it's a really good PCT drug because of how it works Clomid works on your brain. It works on your hypothalamus and it causes your hypothalamus to act as if there was no hormones in your blood. It stimulates the Back Loop, that is the hypothalamic pituitary testicular access. So it does it right from the first chain in the loop the hypothalamus. That's where Clomid is working on. And so it causes your hypothalamus to release gonadotropin-releasing hormone, which then goes down to your pituitary gland and causes your pituitary gland to release luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone. And then those two chemicals good On your testicles and causes them to function. So that's how Clomid works and the way to use it for PCT is Coleman's kind of uncomfortable to take. Okay, because for the first matter is that when you take Clomid it's bit estrogenic. So it's part estrogen blocker and it's part estrogen stimulator. So just taking the Clomid May itself. Make you actually have some sensitivity in your nipples. And that's one of the things that is uncomfortable about taking it having some swelling or sensitivity and your nipples some people get that some people don't that it can also make you a bit emotional to so it's generally uncomfortable to take Clomid generally for PCT the way to take it would be two to four weeks at 50 milligrams. Per day followed by two to four weeks of half that dosage 25 milligrams per day. So it just depends on how when you feel like your testosterone levels are restored. You could take the 50 milligrams for two weeks 50 milligrams of Clomid per day for two weeks. And then, you know do two more weeks at 25 milligrams per day and call it a day or if you felt like you weren't recovered. You could do it for longer. So, you know for weeks at 50 milligrams per day. It doesn't really matter. What PCT is all about is it's about getting your natural fertility and testosterone levels recovered. So you need to take the Clomid until those levels are recovered. And other than HCG HCG injections are going to be the best PC T be cuz it acts directly on your testicles. But after HCG, Clomid would be the best PCT chemical and actually if you wanted to have my opinion on what the very best way to do PCT would be it would be the combination of Clomid and HCG together just for you guys information is that most doctors if you go to a doctor and you have hypogonadism, okay, which Your testicles aren't working. They're not producing sperm and they're not producing testosterone. Generally what they will do to correct that is either put you on HCG human chorionic gonadotropin, or they will put you on testosterone replacement therapy. That's generally how doctors treat hypogonadism. So guys who have hypogonadism They a lot of times they will get prescribed a few thousand I use of HCG per week. And they'll do that on the doctor's orders for somewhere between two to three months of doing that and then that will restore their fertility in those stopped taking the HCG and have normal fertility after that. So that is a kind of PCT or post Psychotherapy. That is Read and used by doctors in medicine. Okay. Next question is from Jordan says I'm on 600 test and an thate 600 Master on and ante and 50 milligrams Winstrol per day the the amounts of testosterone and Master on were per week. If I reduce testosterone to 125 milligrams per week. What would happen to my physique would I get harder? Mmm, you would look more athletic. You would get Slimmer less 3D less bulging muscles less bulging but you would reduce some water retention and you would reduce some of that thickness of your skin. The testosterone was producing. So the way that I would describe what would happen to you. If you reduced your testosterone from 600 milligrams per week to 125 milligrams per week. And we're still on 600 Master on and 50 milligrams of winstrol is you would get more of an athletic. Look you'd look more like a sleeker Slimmer athlete version of yourself and less as a pumped-up 3D. D bulging bodybuilder version of yourself. Okay, because without that high testosterone dosage you get a lot less of the intramuscular fuel storage that goes on that produces that look where the muscle is swelling from the inside out and pushing up against the skin really round really full really pumped up. And then with the Cosmetic effects of the other steroids that are making you have that nice. Defined shape so it can actually make it would it would make you smaller it would make you noticeably smaller to reduce your sick your testosterone from 600 milligrams to 125 milligrams per week. And because it would make you smaller and your muscles wouldn't be bulging up against the skin quite as much it may it may actually look make you look just like a slimmed down version of yourself with a little more definition. Ignition, you'll probably enjoy the way you look best on your current cycle 600 test 600 Master on per week and then 50 milligrams of winstrol per day. Okay. Next question is from Nagi. Hi what ester of testosterone for trt? And what is the recommended dosage for any of them? Thanks. Okay, so trt can be done with any ester of testosterone, but there are some Esters that work better than others. Usually guys that are on trt don't want to be doing a lot of injections. So one of the things that seems to be important is taking something taking an ester of testosterone where you don't have to do frequent injections personally. I like testosterone on Decca knowit for trt. So there's a testosterone product made by bear Pharmaceuticals called Nobita and I really like that stuff for trt. It's meant to be taken. It comes in a 4 milliliter vial of milligrams 250 milligrams per milliliter and what they do in what doctors do with this stuff is they'll either give guys for cc shot for and then have that last them for one month or they'll give them a 4 CC shut and have that last them for two months. Generally that's not going to be cool when it's two months like that. That's not an ideal situation, but one month is good. So Yeah actually can stick around in your bloodstream and produce trt level stable testosterone levels for a month after taking a four CC in injection of NE bedo brand testosterone on Deck annoyed. So I feel good on that stuff because the label or the levels the testosterone levels on that stuff are really stable so I don't have Levels spiking up and down frequently. There's no there's no crashing levels and there's no spiking levels when I take that stuff. So it's easy to control the estrogen. It's not a hassle and it feels like a very natural out of all the testosterones that I've used. The testosterone undec annoyed has felt the most like natural testosterone to me it you'd you barely notice that you're on it, but you definitely do not Thus the effects of having good testosterone levels. So that's testosterone and Deccan away a lot of times for trt. They use in America, especially they use testosterone sip unit, which is the same as testosterone and ante when you put it in your body it Peaks 24 hours after taking the injection you have the top levels from that injection that you'll have and then it stays elevated pretty high like that for about at three or four days and then between like four days to 10 days to drops off pretty sharply. So that's how the levels of testosterone last in your typical and Nancy 8 or sippy innate user after injection. Basically you want to have ideally smooth testosterone levels that don't have Peaks and valleys you want to be used in testosterone and They were testosterone sippy innate twice per week or at a bare minimum once per week. And then if you use testosterone on deck in a way, like 'no bedo you could go up to one month between injections. If you take A4 cc injection of NE bedo once per month that would give you stable levels that were similar to the levels produced by taking testosterone ante or sippy innate. Eight at two injections per week the stability of the testosterone levels. Okay. Next question is from Sam. Hi, I have used tests. I Pinette tests epyon and besides some water retention. I felt great. I stopped for a few months and decided to tie try test propionate and the injection site is very painful and left. Well, it's four over five days not to mention flu-like symptoms. Is it normal for one type of test to have such a different side effect? So Sam will most assuredly when you use switch to the testosterone propionate you're using an underground lab. So this would be steroids produced by drug dealers not pharmaceutical companies. So the reason why testosterone propionate gives flu-like symptoms is because of impurities in the manufacturing process this this is known to happen with testosterone propionate. It's a more difficult stare. I had to make properly and a lot of times there's impurities in it. So in the past when I have used UGL propionate I had similar problems to you swelling and redness at the injection site for a few days after using but when I used pharmaceutical grade testosterone propionate like in Thailand, they have a kind of testosterone called tests taluk that worked really Lee well for me and I actually didn't get any welts or any swelling or redness like that it was just the same as using the ananth a or sippy Nate but it's hard to find pharmaceutical grade testosterone propionate. So I'm assuming that you probably went from high quality product that you're using like the in ante or stipend it and then went over to the propionate ester of testosterone and we're using a product with impurities and inferior. ingredients and that's why you got the that's why you got the flu like symptoms and the pain at the injection site. So I would always recommend to go with whatever fell healthiest go with that and reject any products that are making you have a bunch of swelling and flu-like symptoms and pain at the injection site. That's bad and it's asking for trouble. Next question is from Richard. He says I'm running a blend of testy trenny and master Ani 100 milligrams per milliliter and doing two milliliters a week. So 200 milligrams of all three substances. Do you recommend cabergoline at this low dosage of trend ballon also will Nova decks and Clomid be okay for PCT Okay, so He's using 200 milligrams of tremble on per week. And he's using that with Master on and testosterone and he's also running each of those hormones at 200 milligrams per week. So a total of 600 milligrams of steroids per week. But the main question that he has is does he need caber goal and at 200 milligrams of trembling per week? So okay we're going is not a safe drug to be using it. Destroys prolactin effects and prolactin induced sexual dysfunction and mental dysfunction when you using Trend below nor Deca on a steroid cycle, but cabergoline used for extended durations of time or at dosages that are high is not safe and can cause changes in your heart valves. So it's just generally something that you only want to use if you absolutely solutely have to use it, you know, so a lot of times when you use any Trends alone and you don't use cabergoline at the same time, you'll have complete chemical castration and a complete inability to function sexually meaning that you can't climax like it's impossible and you can't get an erection. Okay, so then guys will use caber goal in so that they can still have sexual function while they use Trembling so he's asking do does he need to use it with only 200 milligrams tremble and per week and the answer to your question is that you should use it if you get symptoms and you should start your cycle with the cabergoline on hand. Okay, because when you do get symptoms if you get symptoms and you probably will get some of those sexual side effects is that you don't want to be stuck in a bad place where Are you are having those side effects and you're running along ester of trembling like an ant bait where it's not going to get out of your bloodstream for weeks and you don't have access immediate access to the proper chemicals to deal with side effects. Another side effect of prolactin levels that are high is Guy know and it's called prolactin gyno and when you get prolactin guy, no, no the decks were anti-estrogen tablets like eczema Stan or Arimidex electress all won't touch it. Won't budget, they won't do a thing to do to mess with it. Okay. So this is a way that you could potentially get permanent gyno bitch tits is from doing a tremble and cycle and not having cabergoline on hand before you start then noticing. Oh my gosh. I'm having pain in my nipples and getting lumps under them and then saying okay, I got to get our goal in but you know, maybe you're not able to get it in your hands for a week and by that time those The painful nipples and the swelling under them has said in permanently and then you're screwed. So this is the reason why when you're running steroid cycles, and when you're running trembling sigh clothes Etc, you need to start out with the chemicals on hand that you're going to need to treat potential side effects, and you need to have them before you start so that if you do run into side effects when you do run into side effects, you've already got the stuff that you need in order to Nip it in the bud and prevent any kind of long-term problems for yourself. So I think that you probably will need to have some cabergoline and there's also a lot of bad mental side effects that make you feel really foggy and uncomfortable annoyed having high prolactin levels. So if you do run into any of the high prolactin symptoms when you're running the 200 milligrams of trembling per week, what you can do is you can start by taking cabergoline. In at point five milligrams twice per week. So for example half a milligram on Monday and half a milligram on Thursday and see how that goes. See if that makes the symptoms go away. And if it doesn't you could try increasing the dosage by one more half a milligram per week. So Monday Wednesday Friday half a milligram of cabergoline and see if that fixes the problem. Generally that does Only that would fix the problem those dosages and I think you could probably stay on the light on the light side of that just taking it twice per week half a milligram in order to avoid those nasty prolactin side effects of using Trend ballon. Okay. Next question is from Mark and regards to testosterone dosage. What if I'm a high responder to testosterone and get up to that 6,000 now. Anna grams per deciliter on 500 milligrams per week of test. I also have a low shbg sex hormone-binding globulin. Will that be enough testosterone? Yeah. So this was a really good question by Mark. So the thing that happens with testosterone is that different people metabolize testosterone in their bodies differently metabolism is the process of breaking down the hormone and it becoming biologically available in your body for use and then it being excreted. Did from your system so if two guys take 250 milligrams testosterone injection on the same day their levels will not be the same the next day. Okay, and the reason for this cuz you say what how is that possible if they took the same dosage wouldn't they have the same dosage in their blood and that's actually not how it works. So depending on your genetic metabolic activities and what enzymes for breaking down chemicals. It's etc, etc that you have in your body. You will have different measurable testosterone levels in your blood compared to another guy from doing the same dosage of testosterone. Okay, and this comes down to individual metabolism and breakdown of hormones and your body's capability of this. Okay. So nanograms per deciliter is or Ng. L is how you read testosterone levels in the blood. And so when you have nanograms per deciliter, you're going to have something like 800 nanograms per deciliter, right or a thousand nanograms per deciliter. That would be like your testosterone levels. So if one guy injects 250 milligrams of testosterone, there's such a variance and the natural man in his ability to metabolize testosterone that one guy that injects has 250 milligrams of testosterone may have 1500 nanograms per deciliter testosterone levels and another guy might have 3000 double that you might have double the amount of testosterone available for use in his blood from that same amount of testosterone. Okay. So different people do get different effects from the same amounts of testosterone and steroids. Some people have to use more than others to get the Same effects because in order to get the same amount into their blood they have to use a different dosage. This is an oddity of steroid use. It's one of those things that makes you go what the hell and it kind of is confusing but this is the way it is and this is confirmed by blood tests. So when you're finding out what dosages work for you these things are going to matter they're going to matter. and different people are going to have to use slightly different higher or lower steroids and dosages of steroids and other people everyone should be within a certain Spectrum, but it is possible for one guy to need a 1500 milligrams of testosterone per week to get the same muscle building and testosterone levels in his blood muscle building effects in testosterone levels in his blood as another guy that's using a thousand milligrams per week of testosterone, you know, actually the Milligram per week of testosterone guy by the time the testosterone gets into his blood and the guy who's taken a thousand five hundred milligrams per week by the time it gets into his blood the guys their blood testosterone levels end up being the same because of individual differences in their genetics. So it's a very peculiar and all odd fact about steroid use Okay. Next question is from Vince. How do you properly store HGH human growth hormone? Okay, one of the most important things about legit human growth hormone is that it must be stored properly. So when it is outside of the refrigerator, it gets destroyed. There are several ways to mitigate this but in general you want it to always be In the refrigerator, so if you are having human growth hormones shipped around and it's out of the refrigerator for long periods of time that can destroy it. Okay, so there's a couple kinds of growth hormone that can actually withstand being left out of the refrigerator and not being destroyed because the the heat destroys the proteins inside they need to be kept cold in order for the proteins to stay. Gather and one of one of the ways to get around. This is freeze dried. So a lot of times you'll see this white powder or like Puck at the bottom of the growth hormone vial and that's freeze-dried human growth hormone that needs to be reconstituted by mixing it with bacteriostatic water. And so that freeze-dried human growth hormone like that. It stays good for about a total of Three weeks outside of a refrigerator. Okay. So if it's been shipped from the facility or something and now it's got to you, you know, it can only be outside of the refrigerator for like a maximum total of three weeks 20 days or so before it starts to break down and get destroyed and then the other way of preserving the growth hormone is in the pens. Okay, so there if you've seen human growth hormone pens They are pens that have the growth hormone inside pre-mixed in solution ready for injection. And so these growth hormone Pens have special technology and special preservatives inside of them where they are able to withstand being outside of the refrigerator and they're also vacuum-sealed in there. So there's nothing getting in there at all zero and a couple of examples Of the best pens for human growth hormone injections that have pretty crazy abilities to withstand not breaking down when they're kept out of the refrigerator are naughty troponin and Jenny tro Jenna tropen. They both have technologies that make it and preservatives that make it so that they can withstand up to one month sitting at room temperature outside of the refrigerator. And still maintain their potency but in general with growth hormone, you want to make sure that stuff is in the refrigerator the refrigerator as much as possible. And if you ever move it around you want to put it in a cooler and make sure that you keep it cold all the time. Don't be taking that stuff out and and moving it around when it's not cold because if you have for example freeze-dried human growth hormone, and then you reconstitute it. That it's in liquid. Now, you know you turned that that white Puck at the bottom of the growth hormone vial into water and it's ready for injection. You can't leave that outside of the refrigerator for more than 24 hours without it being destroyed. Okay, like once that stuff can be stored in your refrigerator in that state for like up the three weeks and still remain good but you can't leave it once it's in water like that. You can't take it out of your refrigerator for more than 24 hours or else it will be it will become bunk. It will become totally. You destroyed so human growth hormone is very fragile. Next question is from Sebastian his question and reason he is writing is to find out why people stack Clen and T3 together. And what can he expect super good fat killer T 3 plus super good Clen. Why not Overkill? Thanks a lot my friend. Yeah, you'll have really good if you'll have really good effects for fat burning Sebastian on just clenbuterol. So T3 and clenbuterol work synergistically. And the main thing with T3 is that it's kind of a nasty chemical. It's not very good for bodybuilding because it makes you weaker and it's catabolic. It steals away energy from your muscles and it will make it hard to gain any strength in the gym when you're on it even a small dosage of it. And then it also has some pretty nasty effects like making your heart have palpitations or beat out of rhythm or beat really hard so Clenbuterol also has some effects where it increases the speed and also the intensity or the pounding of your heart. So when you combine that with T3 the combination of T3 and clenbuterol at the same time, it is great for fat burning and it keeps your metabolism running really high. Even if you're dieting your metabolism is still running super high and super hot burning a lot of fat, but it can really affect your heart in the way your heart feels and that is not fun. Okay, so I'm About the come like T3. Does this and clenbuterol? Does this but T3, does it worse and the combination of T3 with clenbuterol at the same time is like pretty much unbearable because your heart will be jumping around in your chest like crazy will feel like it's jumping all over the place. It'll be beaten out of rhythm. You'll be able to look down at your chest and see your chest, you know rising and falling like boom boom boom with your heartbeat bum-bum-bum-bum-bum stuff like that and And it's very alarming. It causes a lot of anxiety and it's not fun at all. So a lot of guys that do use T3, they'll you know, they'll say after they try it. Like I can't use that stuff man because it messes with my heart and that's exactly the same effects that I get from it. Very catabolic very muscle burning fat burning too. But you know really has those hard heart effects. So that's no fun. And I would recommend not using T3. If you want to burn fat, it's better to just use clenbuterol because the clenbuterol doesn't produce effects like that nearly as much it can make your heart pound harder. So as when it beats it, it does make it like contract harder, but generally you won't have rhythm changes and and that's what's kind of scary with the T3 thyroid hormone. Own is having those heart rhythm changes that can be kind of freaky. So the clenbuterol by itself is fine alone, 40 to 80 milligrams per day for two or three weeks. You'll definitely be able to burn some fat. If you do that and watch your diet, you'll be able to burn a nice amount of fat using the clenbuterol. I think the T3 is not necessary and generally I advise against T3 thyroid hormone use Something a kind of thyroid hormone that is a lot less potent and a lot less likely to cause you problems though would be t for thyroid hormone. So if you take t for thyroid hormone hormone, you usually take a dosage of around a hundred micrograms to 200 micrograms per day. And so t for thyroid hormone is rate limiting because it's inactive but you take it and then your body can convert it as a prohormone into T3 as as it sees fit. So instead of putting something into your body like T3 that immediately changes your metabolism. You put a prohormone to T3 like T4 into your body and then your body converts the T4 into T3 as it sees fit and increases your metabolism that way so if you really felt like you had to use thyroid hormone with your clenbuterol. My suggestion would be to use T for instead of T3 because it's a lot less harsh and a lot less likely to give you those bad uncomfortable heart side effects. Okay, Pawan says hi bro. What should be the dosing of aromasin and cabergoline for 250 milligrams testosterone and ante and 500 milligrams decada Roblin per week cycle. Okay. So the dosage of ancillary chemicals like anti estrogens or n-type reluctance is highly dependent on the individual usually always want to be running a minimum effective dosage of cabergoline since it's kind of a dangerous. chemical and so generally .25 meaning 1/4 of a milligram to half a milligram two times per week will be able to get you to a tolerable level with having your prolactin levels and get you feeling okay, but then as far as the anti-estrogen use is it really depends on the individual and how much estrogen he produces from testosterone so You're only running 250 milligrams of testosterone per week. That's a really low dosage and because of that you are likely only going to need one or two tablets of a of aromasin per week. So I mean taking us a good starting point would be twelve point five milligrams or half tablet of Aromas in on Monday and Thursday something like that and then seeing how your estrogen. Thumbs are and then decreasing or increasing it as you see fit. That's the thing with with anti-estrogen tablet dosages is you can't just say like, oh how much it anti-estrogen. Do I need for a thousand milligrams of testosterone or how much anti-estrogen do I need for 500 milligrams of testosterone because as different for each individual person, I've seen people who take 1,000 milligrams of testosterone per week have zero estrogen side effects. Okay, their bodies just do not convert testosterone to estrogen Ian and so they don't need to take any estrogen anti-estrogen tablets, but then I've seen other guys who convert testosterone to estrogen like crazy and needing to take you know, one tablet every single day on that same dosage. So it really completely depends on your own body's chemistry. And anybody who says like this is the amount of anti-estrogen tablet that you need on this dosage of testosterone that cannot be said that cannot be said, it's incorrect. Back to because everybody metabolizes this stuff differently and creates different amounts of estrogen from testosterone. So all you can do is say like here's a good starting dosage and then you got to troubleshoot it but the good news is that when you get estrogen side effects, you've got about 48 hours after feeling them to react and take anti estrogen Tablets before any more permanent side effects, like gyno will set in if you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

The Steroids Podcast Episode 4 steroidspodcast.com 00:00 Using HCG as the base for a steroid cycle instead of testosterone injections - Synergy of testosterone dosage with other anabolic steroids 06:39 Deca Only Cycle for Preventing Hair Loss From Steroids total steroids dosage for building a bodybuilder 11:51 Information on 1-Testosterone aka DHB or Dyhydroboldenone 15:00 1-andro prohormone liver toxicity 17:22 How to use clomid for PCT after a steroid cycle how clomid works to cause the HPTA to function how to make a successful natural testosterone levels recovery after taking steroids 20:50 Doctors usually put men on HCG or Clomid for hypogondism 21:55 600 test e 600 masteron e 50mg winstrol what happens if reduce testosterone dosage to 125mg per week? 24:25 what are the best esters of testosterone to use for TRT testosterone replacement therapy Nebido and testosterone undecanoate discussed 28:22 Testosterone Cypionate vs Testosterone Propionate swelling and redness at the injection site testosterone flu symptoms 30:45 Testosterone 200mg Trenbolone 200mg Masteron 200mg is cabergoline needed for prolactin control at these dosages. Potential side effects of taking trenbolone without having cabergoline on hand 36:00 Testosterone Dosage vs Testosterone Blood Levels Genetic response to steroids and testosterone injections 40:08 How to Properly store HGH human growth hormone Norditropin and Genotropin contain special preservatives 44:12 Why are Clen and T3 stacked together? What are the effects of Clenbuterol and T3 thyroid hormone in the real world. Why people use T4 instead of T3 thyroid hormone 48:55 Aromasin and cabergoline dosages for test and deca cycle The Greatest Book on Bodybuilding and PED's Ever Written - bodybuilderinthailand.com/ultimate-guide-to-roids/ This Podcast is for entertainment and conversational purposes only. This author does not support the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs. If any substances mentioned in this video are illegal in your country do not use them. Consult a doctor before beginning any exercise or supplement routine. Do not take anything mentioned in this video as advice. It is simply conversation, not advice.

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Now look, hey everybody Welcome to the dance moms after show as you can see much like Sarah this episode. I am all alone. Here, but you guys are in the chat with me so we will be my co-host for today and I'll be shouting you out along the way I am your host Brianna Phipps. Let's just get right into our thoughts on this episode. So the episode this week drama got amped up for sure. I mean, we have not seen a fight between a mom and a be like this in quite a while and again the kids are the ones paying for it. It just breaks my heart every time. So right off the bat, let's start with this drama that's going on between Studio 19 and a b and this whole and her dance team. So Studio 19 is putting out text messages to Michelle because this is her and Sarah's old Studio. They are instagramming basically calling them out be like we're going to beat you for sure just not being nice Michelle's telling Abby all of this of course, but it's really amping up. You know, how well they have to do. We always have to Have a good little beef going on with another Studio know it was before was the candy apples. So I don't know if Studio 19 is the new Candy Apples or is it just going to be for a couple episodes The Candy Apples going to come back on later in the season? Who knows but for now it is this team regardless. This is always the stuff that just kind of like annoys me because there's just no point to it. You know, why are you rivalry is all fun and good but you have to there's a limit and just being rude and mean and apparently this is how they were to Sarah and her mom before when they were even on the team like calling her ugly and just being downright nasty, especially to kids don't be mean to kids. I feel like that's just a common rule of life, like don't be mean to kids so they are apparently for now the new rival and we'll see what comes Our time we see them later on the dance and there, you know batting it with Michelle there at the dance competition as well yelling screaming. They apparently know what happens with Sarah and they are just going after Michelle with it. And then they also are being loud obnoxious in the actual dance form every time one of their people are Performing which we see Abby do the little like I roll at that that part of it is not so annoying to me because that's just dance competitions are just competitions in general. You're going to cheer on your team. You're going to be loud obnoxious and root for your team hired. So I think the IRL from Abby, you know, I think she has a right to be annoyed because what they did before but that part of it is more normal to me and then we also have this drama of speaking of Michelle between Michelle and a be so Abby says Point Blank do not mention another Studio's name in my studio because Michelle brings her the first bit of news of I got a text they're saying this and Abby says that she goes she leaves at that point and then the next day she says do not mention in a studio in this studio. There will be consequences. Of course. Michelle does not listen. When do they ever listen so then they see on Instagram and Michelle's like can we need to go? Tell Abby this? And they even other arms even say I don't know she left yesterday when you told her something. She said don't say anything Michelle's her anyway, and Abby right away like get out get out. I told you you're dumb and Michelle says she's ignorant and then Abby gets even more mad because what's going to piss Abby off more than not listening to her, but calling her name's as well. It's been this like and I can't say unspoken because it's been a spoken role that you know. No, once Abby's riled up, you just leave her alone. You don't go off and you don't definitely call her names because that's just going to make her even more mad. And Michelle's big comeback is what you called me names, but again, like I said it last week, this is the thing with Abby and that and the dance show and Dance Moms in general, you know, Abby it's it's a little bit of a You know, it's not fair. Abby can do and say things you can't it's her Studio. You want to be there? He got abide by her rules. So Michelle doesn't abide by rules. She gets even more out about this. She kicks her out says don't come back. You're not welcome back and Sarah's not dancing. So as we've seen in the past the kid is now again paying for the parents mistaken a be kind of comments on this saying, you know, well, that's the only way parents learn and append they never do learn though, which is the most frustrating thing about the show is that the parents are always no matter what continuously doing these things. They know are going to harm their children and that's the sad part is that the kids are the ones getting hurt from this because they're the ones that want to be there. They're the ones not saying anything trying to do their best. Trying to cut calm their moms down trying to make their mom stop talking and it doesn't work with these parents just overboard like the term stage mom is like so low on the caliber of where these moms are like stage mom is a tattoo and these moms are out of 10 in that fact. So Sarah's not allowed to dance but is that going to stop Sarah Michelle? Of course, that's not gonna stop Sarah Michelle. They're going to come back so they come back the next day when they're supposed to go to the dance. Dance competition and Abby's like you can't be here and Sarah's crying which is it's heartbreaking to watch a child cry and she was you know, this a lot of things you can say or produced about reality TV. But like this was like a sincere emotion like she was gasping for air she could not breathe and it was just really it was sad to see her have to go through that and She just wanted to dance like that's the sad part of every time about these kids. They just want to dance. They just want to do a good job and whether it be a bee or their parents or whoever it seems to be stopping them from doing a good job in these kids are so talented. It's ridiculous how talented they are. So then we go off to the dance competition Sarah Michelle still go on their own just not on the bus and a be kind of concedes and let Sarah into Dressing room besides Michelle can't come in and then when Michelle has the fight with Studio 19 and then does come in her and a baguette in a big blowout and she's like, I'm just sitting here trying to apologize to you and Abby calls the police. Now you guys have to let me know in the comments. Do you think it was right for a booty call the police personally? I think that was a little too much. It's not like you were being threatened. Anyway, there's been way worse stuff happening on this show that the police were not called for. So we're calling the police because a mom was yelling at a rival Studio because you don't like her. You know, I don't I don't always agree without his decisions. I don't think many people always agree with Abby's decisions. And in this case, I think that this is like a waste of the police time a waste of your time. But you know, we gotta make the drama hyped up for television. So the police come they tell you now she doesn't want you in here. You have to leave she leaves Sarah stays. And Sarah goes and watches the solos happened and then the last bit on Sarah is that all the moms kind of band together? Because it has and they're right. It has been happening where this is a divide happen between the team because there's been so much switch upstairs and people coming in people coming out mom's butting heads with each other and causing Rivals to their daughters right was happening within the kids because new members come in and other members feel left out. And so there has been so much animosity. Be happening on this dance team that they haven't been synced up with each other and the dances of what hurt and being a team gets hurt. So. They band together. They say we want Sarah to dance. She's not the one at fault. Her mother's at fault. Don't punish her. She knows the Dance Let Her Dance and so she then gets to dance in the group dance. So let's talk a bit about these group dances. We have two solos one for Brady and one for Lily and we have the group dance, which is body and soul Brady is left out of the group dance because it is going to be a very July's dance with these very sexy red leotards and Abby didn't feel it was appropriate for Brady to be in that dance now his mom, of course thinks this is a punishment for Brady because he came in last week in the group didn't win. So, of course, we got punished him by not giving him the group number and this is what is so irritating is that your son has a solo so why are you complaining? You know, you got a dance? You didn't have to get a dance. You could have been given. No, so and no group. There's kids that are in the group that don't have sold. They only have one dance. So why are we complaining over a solo but no group. It's just so much selfishness that goes on in these in the show and on this team, but Lily solo is very lyrical dance and she only gets one hour of rehearsal time with Abby for this dance and to learn it and Brady gets infinite amount of time with it and gets his costume before they'll even gets to practice her dance. So the mom Are butting heads Ashley Ashley. Sorry. Stacy and Tricia are butting heads because their kit, you know saying whose kid is basically in favor more whose kid has a better chance of winning the same old same old that we get every time from these moms. But Trisha saying that Lily has a leg up on Brady because her facial features are so much more advanced meaning that she can she can basically can act and Brady still working on that. Which is true? Willie can and it was almost a compliment but then Stacy goes off on her for complimenting her daughter. The like also Stacy calm down like just say thank you because she didn't bring it about in a way even if the intent with was just the way it was said didn't sound malicious to me. So you don't need to be attacking somebody for complimenting the fact that your daughter has good facial features while she dances. You can just say thank you and move on and then of course Stacy's big argument is that Brady gets all this time and Lily gets nothing. So we go off to the competition. They both dissolves the social both gorgeous. Lily's did stand out more to me than Brady's her flexibility and her range with her emotions and her technique is outstanding. She has limbs that just don't break they can bend whatever which way and they don't break and Brady's wallet Rocket Man 1 was still very good it just it didn't seem as difficult to me and it just His his emotions that like we've said, you know, they they aren't up to par with lilies. So hers did stand out more to me. They both did a great job though. And I think that you know, he does need to work on his emotions and he needs to work a little bit more on he has great technique as well. But his flexibility is not there the way hers is and you know, he's a boy, so maybe it won't be a hundred percent like hers, but I think it's it's just in some of the jumps and they were a little I wanted his legs up more. and then we had the group number of the body and soul and it was I thought it was really really good. I really enjoyed this number and they looked gorgeous. I loved all of the movements that I love when people are kind of going off and doing their own thing and then they come back together to like do one grand moment. And then go off again. It's kind of like the same with singing when like everything harmonizes and then goes off is that it's that really cool moment of like seeing that everybody can do what they need to do and not be distracted by the others. And yeah, I thought that I didn't really have any critiques on the group dancing out there were some I'm sure we'll learn next week what was wrong with it and we'll see what Abby says that I did not catch in my first watch of it, but there was a maybe a little couple times where certain people were slightly off but not enough for me to make a big difference and I really thought it was a fun dance and I think that it was fine to not have Brady in this dance as well. So the Brady he got seventh Lily got second for the solos. Again, without seeing any of the other dances just them to I do think Lily deserve to be higher than Brady. Just did he deserve 7th. I don't know. I thought his dance was good enough to be up there. But again, I didn't see these other dances really so maybe also this was a weird way of judging it because it was like overall they've done this before on the show where it's it's not just given to age ranges just like overall everybody dancing so Breathing out seventh really got second. I'm fine with both of those places for them. And then the group got second as well in the solos. They got beat out by Studio 19, but in the group, they did not they beat out Studio 19, but of course with all the things that happen in this episode, Abby's not gonna be happy with them just being student 19 and not winning as she puts it so that's where we left off on this. It's just not quite There yet with this group. They're not winning and we know Abby expects wins. So I don't, you know, we'll get to predict a little bit later about what I think might happen moving forward some of these dancers, but they didn't quite hit the mark for this one. I thought they all looked gorgeous. They all did a great job and considering the amount of drama going on in the dressing room like 5 seconds for the have to perform. I think that that's outstanding. Ending also what is outstanding is you guys always tuning in every single week to us here on the Dance Moms after show as well as all of our various other shows on AfterBuzz TV. We really do appreciate the fact that you guys make us the ESPN of TV talk letting us talk about television letting us hone our skills in this area and just becoming better and better and being able to have you in the live chat and being able to talk to you guys and coexist with you and it's really fun to be able Kind of find all these other people that really love you and your show and what you talk about and you get to just chat with them and it after buzzes the place that lets us do that. So if you want to go ahead and give us that thumbs up on the video if you're watching on YouTube leave us a comment. Let us know what you thought of the show as well as the Dance Moms show. And if you're on iTunes go ahead and give us that five star rating. Give us a comment there as well. And as always, thank you guys again, so let's get Get into some of our special segments here on AfterBuzz TV. And the first one we're going to do is our Diva moment of the episode which is where we're going to talk about the moment. That was the most Diva e to us and then as well you guys can chat along in the comments and let us know what your Diva moment of the episode was. Um, I kind of have to so let me try to figure out which one is the best one. I think I'm gonna have to go with Abby just literally hearing one her say I got this text and back. Okay. Goodbye. This music sucks like all of a sudden just hating everything and Rowling herself out on her wheelchair out of the building that that problem. I stand up Diva moment. So there you go, Abby you get the diva moment of the week for me this week. Let's get into news and gossip. So Abby Lee Miller, we have a little a little bit of information for you guys on her relationship history. So there's been questions of is a be married or was she ever married the answer to all of that is no she has not been married. She did fake an engagement to actor Michael Padula in 2014 right before her mom died because she wanted to be able to have her mom pass away thinking she had somebody and having Kind of, you know just calmness about like okay, my daughter's taken care of. She said my mother was very ill and she just passed away the fake engagement. I just think it was a comfort thing for her to know that there was somebody so that is her, you know past was like kind of being married. She had a fake engagement. She just says basically that she has not found the one because her standards are too high and that she she views herself. As though she is about 22 23 24. And so she has really high standards. She's not willing to settle even though she's may not be quite as young as she thinks she is or that she put trays herself to be in her mind. She does say that she is not ruling out the possibility of finding somebody and that she still wants to find the one but I'm she says I make decisions all day. So it's nice for a woman like me to go to dinner and have the man take them. You and say let me order. So if you want to do with Abby that is what she's looking for. That's what she is expecting. She said other women would be offended by that but I'm like good because I can't make one more decision today. I want someone to rub my feet without being asked. So if you want to date Abby Miller she is looking she is still open to the idea of relationship. And this is the kind of guy she wants so go ahead if you want and reach out to Abby. I'm sure she would be open to going out on a date with you potentially. Lee let's get into our predictions for next week's episode your AfterBuzz TV predictions. So from the previews, you know, obviously there's still a lot more drama to come we see that Michelle drama is still rampant going on. I think I think we might have to take a break from Sarah because I don't think Either we'll have to take a break from Sarah or one of the moms will have to kind of take Sarah under their wing and show like be a almost like a foster child in their home for the time being. I think we've seen that before I can't think of who it was but I know I feel like we did see that happen before but I don't I think this is Michelle's last week for a while because I don't think that Abby's going to put up with her. As far as the rest goes, I think we need a win. I think it's been kind of that whole thing where we have gone a few weeks now without a win and usually with the show we kind of ramp back up and we come around to a win at by this point. I think next week they might win because the drama escalated so high I think that Brady will come back up. I think that this was an off week for him. But I think that he is going to be given another solo. I'm he'll have another chance to prove himself and I think he will stand out but most of all I think we just need to get to a place where there's some sort of unity whether it be with the kids and Abby the moms and the kids something and we're not there yet. So I think next week has to kind of end with some sort of community feeling between some part of this team. But yeah, that's my thoughts on the episode. Thank you guys so much for joining with me today and let me know your thoughts in the comments and I want to thank everybody that was in the live chat. We have Sofia and Riley Serena Kayla Mazzy cookie, Eddie Bruce. Thank you guys so much for being here with us today and for trying along with me in the live chat. We really enjoyed having you there and we'll see you guys all next week until then you can find me at Bri Bri. Underscore Phipps Phi PP s and I will check in with you guys next week on another episode of Dance Moms by our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first for the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz TV.com and check out our lineup Buzz. See you later music. Press here in are those are the hosts only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle.

Tonight on the Dance Moms after show Briana Phipps talks about all the drama between Stacy and Tricia, Michelle and Abby, and the Abby Lee Miller Dance Company and Studio 19! Plus her Diva moment of the episode and some news and gossip concerning Abby’s dating life! Join Tamra Brown each week to break down the newest season of Dance Moms! From Abby's Diagnosis, to life post-prison; Abby is back and better than ever! Be sure to follow Tamra Brown for all your Dance Moms needs and tune in each week for another episode of the Dance Moms After Show! ABOUT DANCE MOMS: Abby Lee Miller runs the Abby Lee Dance Company in Pittsburgh, which she started when she was 14. Miller is a notoriously demanding and passionate instructor. But she has competition in the area of being demanding -- from her students' mothers, as featured in this docuseries. The series highlights the highs and lows of the competitive dance season as the dancers pursue the ultimate National Dance title. Miller instructs her students while dealing with the over-the-top mothers who go to great lengths to help their children's dreams (or are they the mothers' dreams?) come true. The show captures the dynamic interplay between parent, teacher and student as Miller tries to bring out the best in her students. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Happy holidays. Enjoy the show. And remember wherever you are right now is not where you have to be. You ready to talk about fear? Yes my God. I'm so excited. You know, it's really funny. I was writing. I've been the stage right now where I'm trying to really focus on getting our message out there, and so I'm writing featured articles for hopefully to get published on other platforms, and I started to write about that element of fear today and like it's just so Divine that the day I'm writing in depth about fear. I'm sitting down and having this conversation with you. So Deanna, thank you. For being here. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here with you to this is going to be awesome. Where do we even start on this conversation? I think that it's great to talk about this whole idea of fear and and the inverse of it really courage right the antidote. Yeah, tell me a little bit about how fear has played in your life. And because obviously you're talking about this. This is something passionate for both of us. It's near and dear to our hearts, right? So, what's your story around fear? You learned around fear and how have you more deeply got on that journey of embody and courage so I am somebody that used to be paralyzed by the idea of failing at something. I am like, you know, totally into this whole idea of like gotta win gotta win, right and and so the idea that I would do something where there was a high threat of failure or a lot of fear was something that was hard for me to get over I Actually was talking to my mom and I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm going to be talking about failing and she's like, that's great. You're so good at that now, I mean thanks Mom. You know what she even said when I was little like if she couldn't get me out of the door sometimes right when there were things that I just didn't think that I was gonna be able to rock completely and so it's been a real has been the word journey is a great word to use for this because it definitely has been a journey and it's been a learning exercise for me more than anything. So there's a couple of techniques of use You know over the years and been able to build up to help me practice being courageous right and and to be in a place where I could get over this idea that my failing or this idea fear was going to stop me. Yeah. Do you remember moments when you were a kid where you wanted to do something and you were paralyzed in that state of like in action? I'm wondering what our Kind of the stories that come up for you in that moment that keep you frozen. What are the things that you tell yourself when you're Frozen in fear or that, you know, maybe your clients have come across to those self debilitating thoughts that come up when you're Frozen in time. Well, I think one of the biggest ones that I I know I deal with and I know a lot of people that I work with deal with is this idea of being an imposter like do I belong here? Is it okay for me to Speak but do I have you know the appropriate background or skill set or title to be able to step into this space? So a lot of times is this idea that maybe I don't belong here and therefore I shouldn't I shouldn't bring my full self to Bear right? I'm afraid that people are going to be like hey, who do you think you are who gave you permission to speak up or do something? So I think this is like one that definitely chases all of us around. And and what I found in my career that's been really interesting to me is that a lot of times the people that we hold up right? So people who are leaders in our communities and our CEOs of big companies or are just people that we you know admire that they all have this imposter syndrome to so I'm like, we're all walking around here thinking we're not good enough though. That is a huge one and certainly one, you know that I felt when I was when I was a little girl, I think especially then it was also Is age thing like am I old enough my old enough to do this? Yeah that comes up for me a lot. And I think you know, I don't know if this is a stretch but when I was a kid, I remember my parents or my aunt's or just adults around me would say things like oh, well, you're just a kid like you don't get this or you know, maybe you'll understand more when you're an adult or you know, when you grow up you'll realize almost like you're not knowledgeable now, so Wait till you get older and I really feel like that's kind of where the conditioning started for me. Right? I think we do it all of the time where we just count somebody because of whatever right in ages and easy one because we can see it and we know it and so, you know, we won't listen or we won't give people literally like pass the mic right to them because we think that they don't have the experience what I found though is the exact opposite. I mean, I work with a lot of children and quite frankly they are so much smarter than We are because they don't have the conditioning that we've been given to tell us what can't be done. And so they can look at a situation and see it purely for what it is and what could be done without all the baggage that we bring with it. And so to like, you know squash that perspective is something that's really a pet peeve of mine and it's really frustrating. Yeah, and I think too when you're a kid, there's not this fear of like well if I fail I won't be enough or if I fail I won't receive love, you know, they're kind of in that stage of like I'm just going to do this because it's fun and they explore what they're truly passionate about without judgment. All right, I think as I got older I had less pressure of like well if this doesn't work, then I'm going to give that meaning that I'm not educated or I'm not good enough for that. This is the wrong career choice right? Tell me a little bit about some of those practices that we can do to pull ourselves out of that feeling of imposter syndrome. And how does that more deeply into our courage? So I think one of the things is something you just said right now, which is how do we create an inner narrative? That is really nice. I I think that it's so so funny but a really great mentor of mine told me that she started doing this since I started doing it too because she said it was working and I now can attest that it did work or it does work. She said, you know, I had this like voice in my head and it's like she's super mean she's like this mean girl and she'll be like, yeah, you're not good enough yet. Whatever right? She says all these mean things. And so what I started to do is I realized that like, I don't necessarily want her to go away because sometimes she actually, you know motivates me to get things done right or or to try something or to move faster to not procrastinate whatever so she has some good some positive qualities to her. But what I started to do was actually talk to her and say, you know what? I just do not like the tone that you have right now is you know, I think that you could provide some really constraint I constructive feedback and I think that I could really benefit from what you have to say, but I'm going to need you to say it a little bit differently. And so when you're ready to do that, I'll be ready to listen, right which sounds so like insane like what talk to yourself but I think that that's a huge and really powerful technique because then you get to control what that voice does and you get to practice affirming yourself. So I think that's one huge technique when it comes to the Imposter syndrome. One I think another one that you know, I try to encourage people to go about doing is thinking well. What is it? That would make me feel like I wasn't part of this like outside, you know that I'm outside the circle that I'm not in the circle and once they actually sit down and think about that what they often realize is that you know, they're like, oh no other people think this but it's not other people. It's actually something inside of themselves. And so so the things that they'll say like, oh, you know, I just was talking to this wonderfully incredibly intelligent woman amazing leader and she's like, I don't think that I could go for this executive role and I said, well, why not she said, well, I think I could but first I have to go get my MBA and I said, oh really I said, do you mind let's just look at the website really quick and sweep up the website and we look at all the other executive leaders. There's like eight of them and I was like, can you tell me I'm here who has an MBA. None of them even always my God. And so I said so why do you think like I support education? I have a degree for every decade. I love going to school right? I think it's awesome. But I said well, why do you think that you need an MBA when literally none of the other people here? What is it that you really are struggling with or what? What's it the basis of that and she said, well, you know what? I just don't feel like a really confident that I know how to do or casting. I don't know how you know to look at what may be coming down the pipe and how do I do forecasting budgeting, you know in forecasting and I said really that's so interesting. So then I pulled up another Tab and I just typed in forecasting budget learn how to we found like a 12-hour class. We found a couple of Articles we fuck and I took Jesus or anybody in your network who knows how to do she's like, yeah. I'm like, what do you think if you just said hey, could you take an hour and a half and just maybe I won't be Expert in it, which you don't have to be at the exact level. You have to be able to be able to monitor it right but not necessarily be the person who's doing all of it. I said I don't would somebody sit down with you for like an hour and a half and just go through that. So so we went from getting an MBA a three-year plan to like a two-week plan, right? Yeah, and so some I think sometimes we do that. So that's the other thing is just like acknowledge what it is. That's making you feel like you're on the outside and think about what's the shortest path? Me to get past that point and quite honestly, I think even asking the harder question do I really need that or is that just a really convenient? Excuse for me to stay on the outside? Mmm. I love that. I think often times we put these expectations on ourselves of what we need to do first or what we should be doing before we take the leap that we want to take like, you know, I want to be a public speaker just as an example. Let's use that people come to me for that all the time. Then they come up with the story of like, well, I have to go to speaking classes and I have to go, you know, really make sure I get a speaking coach and fix all of my arms and my eyes and my hiccups in the real truth is that they feel like they're not enough as they are they feel like they don't have the assets or the ability to do what it is that they want to do because they feel like deep down. They might not be good enough for that. So that feeling of insecurity, you know, we talked about courage and I think courage is really being able to do something even though you're afraid to be able to say yes. I'm afraid but I'm going to do this anyway, but that feeling of confidence and feeling of I know I know I can do this. I know everything is figure out a bowl. How do we cultivate that within ourselves? Oh that is such a great question. And I love that. You used the verb like you're using this idea of cultivate right like that. That is something that can be created. It isn't something that just falls out of this. Guy, so how do you go about you know cultivating this idea of I'm going to step into the places where I'm afraid? The number one thing you do is you practice it. So what do I mean by that? I would think about something and you know, you can start wherever you feel comfortable so you could start so your friend to the party. We're talking about somebody who wants to go into public speaking you could say to that person. What would be some low-hanging fruit where you could go and practice your public speaking so So could you do a presentation for for your company? Could you ask to speak at an organization that you belong to could you speak at your kids school? Right. Could you what are some just like low-hanging fruit where you could go and you could step into that place where you're afraid? Okay, great. Go do that then. What would be the next thing right? What would be the next thing that would get you a little bit further out of their comfort zone? Okay. So now it's not just your group or your Now it's bringing together an association that you speak at. Can you do that? Yeah. Okay great. Right and just constantly saying like where's the line? And how do I how do I not just take a little toe and put it over but how do I jump over it Okay. Now, what's the next line? How do I jump over it and being really intentional about what that feels like and what that and what that looks like. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. It's about taking that big dream and putting it into these smaller more simplistic attainable steps as you start to cultivate that confidence over time right now. I know you also to have some speaking background. That's a really big part of your brand and your mission and what you do. I know you were featured on tedx. How in the Journey of your own personal life. How did you cultivate that skill set of being confident on stage? I know we're talking about little things that Right, but where there were their practices that you have before you went on stage were there things that you have to overcome before you were able to reach that end goal for yourself? So I have always been very very comfortable on stages. I think you know, I started doing public speaking when I was super young and so that is something that I think is a huge Advantage right that I have kind of coming into this space because it doesn't a hundred people thousand people, you know, 10,000 people. It doesn't it doesn't have an impact on me, which I didn't realize was unusual until I was like in my 30s and I'm like, oh we're get afraid of this. Oh my God, so many people get afraid but it didn't totally totally not on my radar. Right because everybody has different things that that that scared them or that don't scare them but one thing that I will tell you that I do and honestly didn't realize I was doing it and tell people ask me like what what do you do to make sure that you you know, keep your nerves calm and to do that is that before I go onto stage. I actually pray and I say the same prayer every time it's a little it's like a verse from a song so with subconscious Without even thinking about it. I I do it and what it does is it allows me to get grounded in the fact that what I'm doing is really not about me. Well, I think if I started thinking like oh, this is about me then I would probably freak me out but I don't I think about like wow this is what a humbling and amazing experience I get to have and I get to be able to share this time with people. What can I do for them? And so because it's not right. It's just not self-centered. It's very like other Centric And my prayer is very other eccentric to like it. It allows for me to put it in the right spot. So can I do something for other people any day all day right if I think about Jennifer myself then it's like whoa, wait Pastor all the other things are coming in. So I think that's that's just one of my one of the things that I do. Christmas time I feel like we need some like Bells chiming some holiday Wuzzles going you guys. It's the holiday and that means I'm over here at badass business babe giving you some free Kick Ass gifts here a badass business, babe every holiday. We do something called business and for a week, we're going to be giving you some Epic free value to elevate your business and to transform yourself. I'm super excited about this round of business because four five Five straight days. I'm going to be giving you guys some of my favorite most dear friends as guest coaches inside of the badass business babe Community. Yes for five straight days. 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Come join us at badass business babe.com holiday. I'll see you there. Now. Let's get back to the episode. I would love that. Could you share the prayer with us? Oh, yes, so I say dear God give me the words to say if I can hear from you then I'll know. what to do And that to me like it doesn't matter how many times I say it or whatever how many, you know engagements or anything like that. Every time I say it I get chills, right? Because what I'm trying to do when I'm trying to open myself up to is like I don't I just want to be a vessel like I want to be able to be in tune enough with the audience that you've been put me in front of so that I can be a vessel and I can I can provide some something that they're looking for right or something that will help them get. Are there faster and so yeah, that's what I do. I'd love that. I think you know this resonates so much with me because in the beginning of my journey, I very much made a lot of my actions about me and I had this energy of well, if this doesn't work out, it's my it's because there's something wrong with me or if this does succeed I'm amazing. Look how magical I am right and then as I started to grow my business I fell into this deep relationship with service in this deep connection. Section 2 helping other people and I started to realize that my business wasn't about me. It was about the people that I was helping and what was so interesting was that once I did that it was almost like I had the courage to do the things that were a big scary thing because you know what you feel like if there's something bigger than you along the journey with you you are safe you are supported and it almost makes it I guess a little bit more safe for you to take those big chances. That's right. I mean and the book is a perfect example, if you would have told me the book has been out for a little bit over a year. If you had told me even 24 months ago like you're going to write a leadership book. I would have left. There's no way right like the whole idea was to much it was all encompassing. It was like scary is daunting. How does one even go about doing that? Like all of it? It was just too big but instead of sitting down and thinking I'm going to write a book. I sat down and thought like what are the things that people have asked me and how Can I be more efficient with my ability to share my mistakes and share the things that I've learned from and share some of these tools and so as soon as I sat down with that mindset, it stopped being about writing a book and it started to be about like how do I provide this support and and then it was then it was joyful. Yeah, I love that and when you're operating from that place of joy things are actually just way more successful of all the time. Yeah, absolutely. Can we talk about purposeful hustle? Because I have I have so many questions. I want to know for you like this this overall centered theme of being in alignment with the hard work right and learning how to be in a place of service and also show up to go after what it Is that your feeling deeply called to do tell the audience a little bit about this book and what it means to you and what it's true mission is its core sure so purposeful hustle is broken into two different sections. The first is on purpose and the second is on hustle. And the reason why I wrote the book is because I did want to get at like how do people use their purpose to make a difference in the world. Right? How do you have a direct impact on and a positive impact? And the world around us. I think a lot of people are thinking about what's my legacy? What's my impact? Am I leaving the world a better place? Right? These are all questions that I think are burning questions and part of the human experience. And so the first half of the book what we do is we talk about purpose. Why is it important? Why do you have to write it down? What does it look? Like? How do you find it? What you know, what are all the components that make up purpose and I Define purpose as what are you uniquely positioned to do in the world then the second half the book is all about hustle. And so there we really talked about what are the some of the challenges that people face when they're trying to live in their purpose. So if purpose is the why hustle is the how right like, how do I live in my purpose? What does that look like? How do I show up in the world? And one of the things that I did in order to write that section is I listed out over two decades worth of reasons why people gave me that they weren't living in their purpose. I don't have enough money. I don't have enough time. I don't know where to start. I don't have the right education. Keisha knime whatever right all the all the reasons why people and challenges that people had in trying to live and their purpose and then I looked at them and I was like, well, what are the characteristics you'd have to practice in order to get past these challenges and every time I looked at the list and kind of you know kind of reflected on it and and and took that list every single time. I kept coming back to four characteristics. And those are the four characteristics that now make up the second part of the book. It's initiative curiosity courage and resiliency. And I think that if you practice those four characteristics, you can really get past like all of the challenges at least the ones that I've heard in my in my experience and in my coaching, I love that. I love them. They're so strong. They're so to the point and that resiliency that ability to be able to say, you know, maybe I'll fail or it's temporary defeat right? Because we need to change our language around what failure really is, but maybe I'll temporarily feel defeated but I will figure out what the next Biz to take I will solve this problem and move through whatever this obstacle is in my life or in my business. I think that's that's a characteristic. I feel like they should teach kids in school lately. It's actually one of the things that I will not hire somebody on my team if they can't if they can't do this I do some version of this question. Like, can you please tell me I need you to solve a problem. Right? So it's either problem. They've they've stated or one that I give them and then I say I need you. To give me ten ways that you would go about solving that problem or it when I really want to be really really tough cookie. What I will do is I'll say tell me what the worst date would be like on this job like in doing this work. They tell me what it is. I'm like, okay pretend like that happen. Now, what would you do and then they tell me something I said. Well that didn't work. That's how me what else would you do and if they can't get to 10, I don't hire them. Why is that because what I want to see is what we're going to fail if you're an entrepreneur or Doing anything. I don't care what your line of business is or what your sector is or how old you are. How smart you are you're going to feel that's it's a common experience. The question is are you going to be able to fail well, and so I want people who know that it's okay to fail one, but two that they're going to be able to pick themselves back up and come up with some other ideas. They won't let it crush them. Oh, yeah, it's this is so juicy. I love this. I don't know if you know this woman the the Founder of space of Spanx her name is Sara Blakely. She has this video that I remember watching when I was like super young on my entrepreneurial Journey where she talked about how her dad when she was a kid every night at dinner. They would sit around the dinner table and her dad would ask her and her siblings. How did you fail today? Tell me how you failed today and he would celebrate all of the kids. So, you know, her brother would be like, well I missed the goal today at soccer and it yes you fail. That's great. And it really taught her to change her language around what failure actually meant and I always remember that because to her failure was just a part of the process. It was something that was normal and happened and you moved through it and it was okay when you had it happen and you figured out what the next step would be and I love that. You know when you're hiring for your team putting them in a position where they're forced to kind of face this imaginary defeat. Eat and what that would look like and then solving this problem on the other way because I think for many of us when we feel that failure happen we say oh my God, I'm gonna be a total failure. This isn't going to work. My life's over. I'm going to go broke. I'm going to end up homeless. The kids are going to be on the street. Like we fall down this crazy Rabbit Hole of fear, and I think some people honestly fall down that rabbit hole before they start. Oh, yeah, definitely definitely. I mean, you know, it's funny that you're talking about the kids because I just had an epic failure. May I share? Oh, yeah lay it on me. So I wrote this book. I wrote it three times and this is not like playing around. I mean, I rewrote it three times so altogether, it's I definitely it's about 250 thousand words, right? Like I mean just a ton a ton of work put into into this book and I had an agent that reached out to me through Do you know a number of connections and it was a really big well-known agent and she said I'm really interested in your work. Would you mind submitting a proposal so I spent months putting this proposal together? I know nothing about this process right so months putting this proposal together. It's like 70 Pages. It's just my heart and soul whatever I sent it to her and I'm thinking like this is great. I hear all these stories about people who go to agents and then they get denied but this one reached out to me. So this is you know, We're golden and I put so much time and energy effort. Whatever. Yeah, then I get it. I get a message really polite. Thanks so much for submitting. We're going to pass. Are you kidding me? You're going to pass. I put all this time into this and you asked me to do this. Right? Like I wasn't even headed down this direction and you brought me down here. So anyways, I remember though. I sent a message to my husband at this talks about how you have to have your squad has to be in this with you, right? So I sent a text message to my husband and I just copy and paste the The email from from the agent and he writes back and he's like congratulations. I'm like to see this text message, but then the next line was that just one less person that you have to go and talk to you right and so I'm like, oh, yeah, so then I get home and I tell my kids, you know what happened because they'd see me, you know, put this proposal together and how excited I was and everything and my kids are like awesome. Mommy good job. You just totally failed but what how cool is that? And I thought I'm doing too. A job at teaching them how to handle failure right? Like I need you all to be mad with me for just a second. But what was so cool about all of that right as I also sent it to my editor who had been helping me through this process and she sent me back to the most lovely message like Deanna. I'm so sorry. I know how hard you worked on this and everything and before especially since this is a Friday night that she sent it to me that I got it Friday afternoon. So Saturday morning is when I saw her message, but when I wrote her back what I said Ed was like thanks, you know for your note, but I actually already sent it out to another Nate agent because what I did before I even sent it to the first agent is I made a list of other people that I could send it to and like just in case this doesn't work out so planning for my failure, right? So Friday night. Yeah. I had an attitude. I walked around this house like boom boom. Boom, right? My kids are all happy my husband being supportive and I was like, not yet. I'm not ready. I need to be in this moment by Saturday morning because I already had a plan for What I would do when I failed I was good. I was fine. I was ready to move on. I love this. And actually I just want to like thank the universe for a hot minute because it's so funny. We're talking about things that like right now. I'm navigating in my life in some way. So I'm like writing this article. I did I talk to you a little bit in the beginning to tell you like I was trying to get my articles published on other platforms and this is like all new to me whole new monster like, you know trying to pitch myself on Forbes. And entrepreneur and ink and like these are different platforms. I've just never had to do that before and so in my head I'm like riding up this article and I'm like, this is such a waste of time. They're going to reject this. Oh my God, like what a waste and I feel this feeling of like why am I putting all this time and effort into trying to get this article to be perfect if it's just going to be rejected but what you're saying to me is like exactly what I need to hear that element of like know what are you going to do after that? Right? Like who will you also send this to? How are Going to come up with a strategy to definitely get this published and just talk to one less person. If you don't get approved by the first person you talk, right? So I made a list of twenty seven agents. Oh my God, and so, you know, we're just going to go through it. And guess what after 27, I'll decide I'm going to move forward and I'm going to get do another 27 or I'm really now I'm not going to but one of the strategies that I like to tell people is Right a regardless if list so in your situation, this is how it plays out. Okay, so regardless Alice if you regardless of your your article ever gets published what will happen. Well, you've will have done some amazing research you will have put your thoughts on paper and be able to use that in another podcast in a speaking engagement. You will be smarter because of it you will have learned what the process is of pitching. So when you go to do it again, you'll be able to pitch at the end of the day you're regardless if list is something that somebody else might pay a significant amount of money for right for that. Knowledge that experience that that opportunity and and that's something that you're just doing for yourself. So at the end of the day like regardless if the worst thing could happen in the worst case, you know scenario for me is the book doesn't get traditionally published. Well, guess what I know how to self publish and guess what you have a podcast right with lots of people. You can send it out as an email or put it up on a website like regardless if it's still going to have an impact it's going to impact you and it's going to impact the people Who get to read it? So have you lost is there even a potential here for failure? No. Yeah. Oh my gosh, you're like speaking of my soul right now. I love you. I'm so happy on the show. What what for you I think this like last question just to kind of brighten everything up. What would you want the woman out there to know the woman who has a goal has a dream and she has not moved forward on that the way that she really wants to she's playing small she Housing maybe she's kind of half-assing her action. What do you want her to know? I want her to know that she has everything that she needs already. And the biggest thing is she has the permission to succeed. I love that Deanna. Thank you so much for being on the badass business podcast. I adore you and for anybody who wants to connect with you more deeply can you tell our followers in our audience where they can find you? Sure. Well, thank you so much. First of all for letting me be on the show. It's Really fun. This is a topic. I'm super passionate about and so it's been fun to be able to share with you people who want to get connected. Please go to the website. It's www.stlglass.com. NN a SI. NG H.com. You can sign up for our Vlog. I'm also on Facebook and on Instagram and Linkedin and so if you're on any of those platforms and you want to connect Out there, that would also be awesome amazing. Thanks so much. Thank you.

Deanna Singh is recognized as a leading authority in building innovative opportunities within underserved communities. As Chief Change Agent and Founder of Flying Elephant, Deanna is a highly respected thought leader, who has spent almost 20 years researching, designing and building asset-based solutions to complex social challenges. Today she travels the world inspiring and educating audiences. What we talked about: -Imposter syndrome and how to overcome this. -Age limitation -creating an inner narrative that empowers you. -How to control the voice inside your head. -Overcoming fear of public speaking -Living in your purpose -Solving a problem and the qualities you should look for in your team when hiring. -”Failing well” is such an important part of the journey.

Boys and girls, welcome back to the inspiration space for the second of a three-part series of interviews that I have done with social entrepreneurs that have been part of the Red Bull amethi Co Academy this cat. Me is really quite exceptional it deals with social entrepreneurs in their communities and across the UK and kind of helps them develop their business because some insight on how to you know, get the most out of what they're doing. All of these guys. I was 15 of them. I believe really are providing amazing businesses to to our world and the fact the Red Bull are, you know doing such a great job in helping them helping them develop and grow their businesses really quite exceptional last week. I release been slapped episode. He basically really phenomenal guy. He's beside a business called the swansong project. If you have listened to that go back and listen to it. He's a top top bloke next week. I'm releasing more quite sort of your town also an amazing guy amazing business and this week. I'm releasing Sean Morrison, who is the co-founder of pulse itõs so I'm not going to tell you all about the business about I'm let Shawn do That's in this episode. That's the purpose of it, but just leave a little bit of a background to the theme essentially it's what Sean's doing is he's started a business that is doing good for the environment and our climates And in regards to my sort of knowledge on these subjects. I over the last 18 months of her my eyes open massively due to a couple of people around me who you really are very knowledgeable so and developed that a lot but before that, That you know, I was really quite oblivious and I would say even pushing it too ignorant about these topics. And to be honest with you the more I've learned about them the more I realize how Bloody scary this is really, you know, all the environmental issues and the climate issues that we are facing something really has to be done and then we'll talk to you about his business and he's doing his part in a huge huge huge way. He will tell you all about it. But guys, I was seriously you should open your eyes all these things as plenty of resources out there that will Really wake you up in this department and it has to be done. We have to do it together because we only have one planet. So guys get stuck into this Sean is a top top fella. Like I said great business and I really believe that he's going to go from strength to strength in the future. So yeah definitely heat listen for his insta handles and where you can follow him what he's getting up too because I think they're going to be big things happening for him and his wife who's the other co-founder over the next 12 to 18 months. Okay guys get stuck in and enjoy so being a good week. Very good week. Yeah quite intense emotional Midway. Yeah. Yeah motion good one. Yeah, I'd say so Yeah, I've had that both from both already. Yeah, he said it's been an emotional really like up and down but it like great week. I think that why is that so the nice thing was that I think a lot of us applied for this because it's the first time they've done in the UK, right the amethy codecademy sure and I think a lot of us applied for it because we saw something in that kind of advert for applications that resonated but I don't think we knew what we definitely didn't know what the whole program would look like, you know. I only really found out a few days before right and we looked at the program which I'm sure you've seen how it looks it looks lentulus. Yeah, it's incredibly intense. But in a really good where she know you're here for a fixed period of time your kind of letting your business or your project to kind of take a back burner, which is a luxury, you know, when you as you're running her own thoughts and I think it's just been some, you know, we've been challenged to think in different ways challenge to better understand what we're trying to do what we're trying to achieve I think all of that just Culminates in you know, when one person goes it's kind of like a domino effect and everybody is gonna force a bit. What was his shift sixth day? Ya got ya great dude. I tell you what, I've been I've had the pleasure of being surrounded with some people this year. Who are Open my eyes that say to a lot of the stuff that your your brand represents. Yes say in all honesty prior to that and I was one of those guys that had zero to know I like opinions or knowledge on any of these things. I was just one of those people. Yeah, and I actually when I found out I was interviewing you I got in touch with these people that they were Is my gym actually there but moved to Australia and I was like, look, I'm interviewing new intervention. He does this on the other. Is there any resources you could watch I could watch that would you know really open my eyes? And actually they recommended a documentary. I mean, it's not about the food actually, it's more like the packaging. Yeah, the recommended a documentary called plastic ocean. Yeah, and I watched it the beginning the way and I haven't stopped thinking about it. Yeah. Is it blew my absolute fucking mind? Yeah, it was like frightening. Yeah, and I've been really excited to talk to you ever see like super excited to get that I'd like something I'd recognize could become very deeply thinking about very kind. So may I think before we start me talking it's not pointing it I want you just to give Mike the listeners a little bit of context about who you are. Yeah, the the business how the business came to be created and a Kind of started on like the journey you're on now. Yeah, awesome. Thank you. So yeah, I'm Sean. I'm one half of the finder found a team of pulse itõs the other half being my my amazing wife who unfortunately isn't here at the moment. She's kind of got a full-time job Sookie thinki think even you know, paying the bills and keep them from the table. And yeah, so we set up the business. So we're you know a team at home and a team at work and really the idea. If the business came I used to work in a set of corporate corporate career used to working in banking and London and I got to a point where I'd stop learning. You know, I'd stopped kind of being challenged. It was it was enjoyable. It was fast paced its high octane all of those kind of things, but I'd stopped fundamentally learning and I realized at that point I really want to do something different a couple of couple of things here, and we ended up moving to Barcelona. So we relocated my London and You know my wife took a new job and we went out there and I went out there kind of not really knowing what I wanted to do, but with an amazing gift, you know kind of having just kind of gone over the crest of the my 30s to kind of figure out what I could do. I had this amazing opportunity and I'd always wanted to start my own business. We'd always kind of wanted to do something because well, you know step outside of corporate world. We couldn't quite figure out what that was and didn't really know what I wasn't going to put a finger on it and I think like every every one and especially every aspiring entrepreneur, you know, I had lots of ideas some things completely her brain. Something is completely crazy. I had no basis in skillset whatsoever to deliver on and some that were a bit more realistic and I think we kind of moved to Barcelona when we fell into the lifestyle. Absolutely wholeheartedly, you know, the Mediterranean diet being out in the sun, you know, just kind of slowing down a little bit you're reassessing what was important to both of us and one of the things that that we file a real strong connection to and we always Have but more so was food and food and in the Mediterranean, you know, I'd come from a life in the city were lunch for me was you know something at my desk and it was kind of in between emails and dinner was again a bit of a rush to fur. If you're lucky enough to get into the coolest hippest place in London, great, you'll enjoy it. But otherwise it was kind of, you know, let's grab something on our way to do something else. We're in Barcelona is completely different, you know, it's a real occasion it brings people together. It's an opportunity to meet with friends meet with family and it goes for hours, you know. Guys and Mediterranean know how to do it. They have lunch for two hours. They have dinner for five six hours ladies love it. So we naturally when we move somewhere new we spent a lot of time getting to know people trying to meet new friends, you know that largely revolves around having a drink or being out an evening and one of the things we kept eating was a snack and you know snacks again in the Mediterranean diet on like the snacks that we have in the UK or kind of, you know, North America the not processed very natural and really Be simple, you know, nothing magic really simple really honest stuff that your grandmother's been making for decades really straightforward and it's this relationship with food being really simple but really really good really high quality. So we were eating this particular snack and I again was lucky enough to have some time. So I got into the kitchen and I said to my wife, you know, what I'm going to I'm going to make this better. I think I can make it better because in Spain what they do is they take broad beans or a bus and they fry them in olive oil. Oil now add salt perfect fine easy. You can go to the shop in the morning by your beans come home and evening. It takes takes 30 seconds or so, but you're frying an olive oil and you know, if you're if you're in Spain the olive oils really good quality, you know, you kind of eating tomatoes. Anyway throughout the day is just standard, you know, it's fine but for us and for my old lifestyle, it's not something that I necessarily welcome. You know, you're kind of taking taking a really good. Natural ingredient you're frying it and then you're adding salt not most people's idea of a healthy snack. So long story short. I figured out a way that we could make them healthier by roasting them and then we thought why not go crazy. Let's season them with different types of seasoning not just salt. So we have three flavors at the moment, which is sweet. Chili Mediterranean herb and sea salt just because we thought you know it it's a crowd-pleaser you've kind of got to throw that into the show and then we figured we had this kind of product and we thought Okay, maybe we can maybe we can sell this and then we had kind of a lot of different ideas about how we do that. You know, would we start at a farmers market because of my original I guess understanding of how you set up a food business which you know, you make it at home your wife your partner your parents really enjoy it you then give it some friends. They really enjoy. Someone says sell this you go to a farmers market, you know, the kind of The Snowball Effect and suddenly you're in Tesco and you know, great we realized that wasn't what we do. Do quite quite tricky. So we kind of started thinking. Okay. Well, how do we make this relatable to people? How do we as a lot of a lot of other brands out there great Brands and credible market and kind of sector to be in at the moment snacking especially in the UK and we thought how can we differentiate? You know, what have we got? That's really special apart from this Mediterranean influence and I should add that the beans are all grown in the UK. So we kind of discovered on this journey that we were inspired from the Mediterranean, but actually these were beans Ben groaning your case. It's the Iron Age that were really popular pre-victorian times for a source of protein. But when meet became cheap and accessible they kind of fell out and they were seen as a bit more peasants food listening, but we've been growing and for forever so, you know, we've got a real a real it's really rich cultural kind of identity almost if you like of pulses in the UK and as a big trend of the moment of pulses becoming more popular and getting them or to our diet and we've all eaten them, you know baked beans types of pulses hummus types of Pulses you know, they've been in our diet since but we've just not really valued them for what they are as being pulses. So that was part of the reason for the name as well policy toes, you know, we little bit of a Spanish low, but you know also core to what the product is. So, you know, no one can be confused and enter your to your original point. You know, what we've done more recently is we kind of figured. Okay, we've got a really good product on the inside, you know high in protein 25% of each pack is protein and that's all natural high in. A relatively low in calories for what they are and you know really the right minerals and nutrients that you need especially in a snack when you know, there are some other snacks out there that you pay a lot of money for you eat them in 30 seconds later. You're hungry again, right? You know, that's not the idea of a snack snack is to kind of keep you there heavily saturated in calories. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know not really what you are expecting, you know, maybe slightly misleading but you know, that's how I felt anyway, so we kind of thought I could have got Something really good on the inside. That's great, but that's not good enough for us. And I think that the joy of setting up a business and still being new and still being a start-up as he have flexibility in the ability to change quite quickly. I think for my wife Laura and I you know, one of the big things for us was, you know, we want to use our business to do good. Yeah, there's some great models out there of how you can do that primarily, you know, you need to make money because business businesses cost things and startups start up cost money. What we really felt was you know, we've got this Grace not going inside. What about the outside? So, you know, I kind of start with a question. So when you bought your last snack, what was the main reason for buying a snack? Who probably be taste? Okay, so taste flavor you maybe you didn't it before and usually like to know on the inside, right? What's on the inside? What about the outside then I think about it. Just don't think about it and you are not you are not. You know, you're not the only one yeah of call no one thinks about it. People are becoming a bit more conscious now because there's so much about it, but the options aren't that, you know, it's just not that I mean, you know think crazy facts like every crisp packet ever manufactured. still exist They don't disappear, you know and and there's such a focus on the moment about you know, innovating with what's on the inside, you know, creating snacks out of crazy things creating food are crazy things putting amazing things together and that's awesome because it's leading to a lot of innovation of people having to up their game. So you're getting better products on the inside, but people just aren't thinking about the outside, you know, and having a guilt-free snack on the inside. It's great hundred percent guilt-free. That's amazing brilliant, but it's not because then you throw the outside away. No one gives a second thought no one cares where that goes. No one even you know, make sure they put it in the right bin, even if it is recyclable and the vast majority of all of them aren't because you know, it's really difficult to recycle is really hard. You know, we don't be frightened of plastic gets kissed gets recycled. This is it this is it yeah frightening. Yeah, and for us particularly in food, you know, it's single-use plastic and that's the real enemy, you know plastic that we use over and over again not great, but it's better. Because at least we're getting more use out of it, but it's single use plastic. So, you know average lifetime of packet of crisps is what from when you buy it three minutes to when you finish it that's its functional life. Then it's in the then it's gone and it exists forever in landfill in the ocean wherever so we we got to a point where we just couldn't live with that right? We thought you know, we've got to see our businesses something bigger than just turning a quick buck. And if that's your driver great, that wasn't mine so we thought okay. What can we do that makes one has different? Because you've got to stand out but to does something that we are proud of you know, not only we're helping to create a market for Farmers that their beans previously got exported somewhere else, but we are making sure that we're going full circle where we see ourselves the business that you know takes from the earth. That's great. But we also want to replenish and we want to replace what we do take and also I think I think for us, you know, you first said to me when I first came in here how much you liked the branding and and the packaging we've worked. Really hard on that to make it cool and accessible and interesting because so many people, you know even still now when that conversation is happening still see being kind of, you know environmentally were it's a bit of being like an eco-warrior or maybe being on the wrong side of things, you know, when you're saying to your friends, you know, did you get the train or did you drive or you know what I'd rather not or you know, should we share because you know, there's more of us than just one person in the car. You know it you're still seen as a bit kind of people still look at you're a bit strange when you retrieve when you've got an attitude strong strong strong attitude about environmentalism or conservatism conservationism rather. So for us we wanted to make a brand was cool first and foremost. So we spent a lot of time and effort and energy and making sure that brand was really cool. What appeals people and then we thought you know, if we get that and we win people on just the look then if we can add our environmental and sustainability credentials in behind that and almost kind of sneak it in a little bit then you can't really go wrong and now we're at the point and I think what you know, the reason why we're here is it were figuring out how that messaging works and how we get that story across the people and how they how they go about picking us up because that's awesome at Li the goal, right? You know, we want people to pick us up. We want people to interact with us. We want to change we want to challenge and we want to you know, mix up the mix up the industry and we don't see why we should be the only people doing this one understand. I mean also not just the back to business. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the isn't pulsed good for the environment. Yeah. Yeah it is that without just love how it looks like the icing on the cake or yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you know that what did you do research did you know that initially know an IT initially when we first came up with it? It was it was purely on taste that that was it and we thought this is great. This needs to be you know, blown up that this needs to go to the go to the world. We can't just have this in our little corner of Barcelona, you know, we need to take this out cuz it's really good. And then as you say, you know, we started figuring out all these finding out all these amazing things about pulses taking all the boxes. Yeah, you know and and you know super food was starting to be used as soon as I saw so food. It was almost like, you know, the divine inspiration. I just thought that timing great-grandpa level for unbelievable. So I mean, so how long's he been running and I mean, I've girl see how long have you guys been going? So we've been Trading For about 10 months, but the idea probably started really gaining some momentum about 12 months ago. Just think what in regards to the pulse as a thing. There's a thing what we refer to our pulses of food. Yeah what I mean, what are the health and the sort of environmental benefits of them endless? Yeah. Well, I almost said almost to the point that in 2016 the UN designated that year as the year of the publication. So the UN, when did you sell the business? Yeah, slightly after yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't we didn't know that at the time. So that was only through our kind of market research and I we were actually doing that we discovered all of this stuff. So, you know, we also say it as our raw to be ambassadors for posters as well, you know really easy to grow which is which is which is a which is a big thing. It's actually one of the first things I think you grow in schools and UK, you know that incres Watercress don't even remember doing that. It's one of the first things that you see sprouting and yeah, it's a teaches children about you know, life cycles and plants and all these kind of things. But yeah, you know, so they're incredibly good for the environment. So they use less freshwater than a lot of other crops that we produce to make snacks potatoes and corn being being to massive ones per kilo of steak. I think the comparison to you know, The amount of protein that you get from that a kilo of pulses which is not dissimilar. The amount of water that is required to essentially produce that much red meat is is in the tens of thousands and pulses it's and you know low hundreds so fresh water, you know, you're not using as much they're seen as a cover crop. So when you have a bad Harvest you can the soils degraded you can plant pulses and they'll improve the soil for the next crop that you want to grow. So if that's a higher, you know value crop, so they're really good for food security, especially in developing countries. So sub-Saharan Africa and Asia their Farms quite a lot and used as cover crops and their nitrogen releasing so they release nitrogen into the soil. So it means they don't require as much chemical fertilizer as lots of other crops. You know, there's a there's a 200-degree there is some because you know, that's what that's what's being used now, but you can grow them in your garden without the think they're only Natural kind of enemy if you if you like is black fly, which I think is quite easily sorted with you know with a little bit of fertilizer. Although I'm not a horticulturalist. I don't know this fact, but you know, yeah, they're they're incredibly good for the environment and you know, the the fact that the UN, you know had 2016 is a year of the pulse just show you Testament to the fact that you know, hopefully we're doing something bigger than just giving people great tastes that it has. I mean like it sounds like you started with We did just tell me you started with the taste but has your passion for these other areas grown massively massively? Yeah, I could have I could lie. I like I mean is it almost equal as like a drive for the business line in terms of helping the environment in these other ways. It's becoming yeah. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. I think from where we started, you know, of course when you set up a business you kind of do the rough plan and you say hey, this is what we've got to spend. This is what we've got to bring in to cover that so Vanilla mint were Whenever you set up a business and we are a business, you know, when we're not charity. We are a business you have to make sure that those two meet but I think more so now and especially with the support we've been getting from Red Bull is we're seeing that actually for us the really important things. We've got a triple bottom line. They're not just not just the profit line. We've got a triple bottom line and for us that's healthy people. We want to make sure that we're giving healthy people the right snacks and access to those snacks Healthy Planet, so, you know where hopefully grow Going across and increasing the coverage of that crop, which is absolutely what we need to be doing more people need to be eating pulses. It's a fact we're helping doing that. We're all so, you know giving back to the planet with our packaging which is completely compostable so that actually in effect can go back into the soil to grow our beans and the third one is healthy profit because look we are a business and we can only do these things if we have a healthy profit, but that's not at the that's not to say that that's our only Factor, you know, we need to make Fit because that's how you business fund. Some of the things we'd love to do in our aspirations and it's a business. You're right. So for us, it's really important. But yes, you're right those two things. I think that the planet and the people has become an increasingly important thing for us some real driver. I mean, I'm just looking at this packaging now, I mean, so what is it wasn't made of so it's primarily paper and like coated with a super special super and what's the what's the what's the, you know cost per unit price of packaging compared to a plastic is is it astronomical it's more expensive but it's not it's not it's not crazy. But the volumes you have to order. I'm sure much much higher. So we've gone from we are first production run. We have 3,000 units across three flavors. We've had to increase that but tenfold so we've got we've got a lot of them, which is great because that means that you know, we were getting the story out there were helping our we've partnered with a manufacturer who manufacture packaging. So we're helping them get their story out there as well. Because they don't have the same access to markets we do. So it's one of those things you kind of have to do because it's so new. But yeah, it is absolutely more expensive. But that's just something that has to be done. It has to be done it similarly. Everyone has to realize this right like the more people that do it surely the cost per unit will come down eventually to write. So I mean just to pull some stats here that I learned from this documentary. I mean eight million tons of plastic make their way into the oceans of Year that is ridiculous. Like ridiculous. Three what five trillion pieces micro pieces of plastic coat the surface. Yeah, and the last one which I mean just like General stuff. Like we're not even aware of like the effect that having plastic in the ocean is what it's doing to us. I mean like it's getting into the food chain through the fish and the microplastics. We're actually into the pond. We're consuming plastic. Yeah for sure. Just getting likes like I can't believe that not there are more people than O'Malley's if I were all sorts of the average person on the street, they would have no idea. It's frightening. Yeah, so like surely is only going one way. I mean like it has to be because it can't it can't it just can't like I can't carry out its can't carry on it has to be but it's amazing, isn't it? Because you know, you're starting to see it come through now with with paper straws and yeah bars. cause rejection of plastic straws, you know, but I think there's been pictures where you know, you've had massive brands of places that have had plastic straws rattle papers wrapped in plastic and you know, it's just incredible because people just you know, I think for so many businesses out there I think and you know, you can't blame you can't necessarily blame it but sure you kind of can is that you know, plastic is so cheap and so versatile that you know when you're when your focus is just your Some line, that's just what you're going to do. So it's kind of we see it as a bit of a responsibility of ours, you know, it's a shame because we'd love for everyone to be doing it and especially the big Brands out there. But the reality is they're not going to do it because they've got shareholders. They've got big boards. They've got people that you know demands on their money that we don't have yet. It's mental because surely they're the people who can afford to create to all of the most volume. Well, well, well this is it this is that's the this is yeah they anyway He's just like to making it doesn't make any sense to me anyway. Well, I'm interested in let's just take it not waving business obviously by like I want to talk to you a little bit about you as a social entrepreneur. I mean own your own business like everybody knows heís a high low is low. Yeah. What is the number? I mean, this must be an extremely rewarding project. Yeah, right. They all are everyone here is part of something rewarding. Yeah, but what are you what have you found most difficult as a social entrepreneur working on policy task force. That was the element the business you found most difficult working on. Oh dealing with or I think I think it's been. Figuring out where that balance is between you know, we are we are producing a we have a product which takes up space physically. So a we necessarily contributing to the problems that we're trying to fight, you know, the ultimate goal is that there's less packaging produced. That's that's the ultimate goal. But the reality of that is that you know, I think plastic free supermarkets fantastic, but you know, For example, my wife has Celiac. So if she goes into a plastic free Supermarket the the bucket or whatever that's containing the serial that's gluten-free. Does. She know that that has been cleaned out thoroughly and that there's no risk of contamination from something else that's been in there. So, you know, there's an element were by you know, I don't think we'll ever be completely packaging free party as well because I think you know for Brands that's an important element of the of their story. So I think you have to start thinking of Alternatives whether that's reusable packaging whether it's you know, compostable packaging like we've got that will disappear over time or whether it's something, you know, there's a different solution to that. I don't know. So I think for me the biggest challenge has been okay. This is my business and this and my product which I'm really really passionate about how do I use that to do some good for something that's a little bit further away from me. There's not necessarily right on my doorstep. As well. I think it's I think you have to figure out you have to take the time to figure out what it is your impact. You want your impact to be and where you want it to be, you know, there's there's a couple of other businesses that I've made over the last few days that are doing incredibly incredibly important things in their own backyard and that's massive because then that's your touch and that's your community. That's your direct Community for me. I think I view my community as all of us, you know, it's not it's not marginalized groups. It's not it's not it's not Groups that I think are underrepresented it's all of us, right we all live on this planet and we all eat. However you eat whatever you eat. Whatever your diet is we all eat food and I think you know for me it's been the most challenging thing has been figuring out one that I am a social entrepreneur. That was something actually that I didn't necessarily set out with the goal and to the kind of other people have told me and it made me realize. Oh, yeah actually so I didn't even know really that was a massive thing. I thought you had Be more of a charity set up or do something that impacted people directly. So I think that's been a learning and then but what's been really nice about that is that helped shape all my subsequent decisions and it's meant that you know things that I think would have got me down as you said, you know having a having a new business is is up and down, but I think now knowing that a known as a bigger purpose than just stacking them high and selling low has been really helpful and see kind of figuring things out and getting it straight and then the driver A hundred percent. Yeah, not only does not stay together. All right, Casey flip on his head. What's been most rewarding thing? You probably quite a few. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean getting the point where I sat here with you talking about this, you know, which was you know, just just over a year ago and I do on my head. Yeah. That's that's pretty awesome. That's pretty rewarding. I think I think I think making a product for me as massively rewarding I think you know, you get to the point where you incorporate your business and then you Tre. Your name and you get that you all these steps that are really cool and really great and you know, you tell everyone as if you know, it's kind of a new shiny toy, you know, really cool and even gives you a partner back amazing you really doing this then? Yeah, you know, I'm on my way and I think when you first get that product deliver to you the first time you've seen it in its in its entirety as a physical physical thing holding that I think is really really cool. That's that's probably been the biggest reward actually seeing something called on you've grown. Yeah, nothing into something and opening it. And eating it. Yeah so good. So yeah, I mean, this is something that I've asked everyone I've spoken to you today and they previously have given different answers. What's the number one sort of piece of advice. You would give to somebody who has an idea. They want to implement that. But they haven't quite yet managed to you and what kind of piece of advice would you give to them to set them on the way? Okay, I think it's really hard to give it in one. So if I may cause you to please take take take as many steps as you want. So I think the first one is don't be afraid to share that with people. Yeah, you know, I think a lot of entrepreneurs are very protective of their idea and guaranteed. Someone else has had that idea guaranteed what the dip real differentiator is is house on was executed on the idea and that's not to say that Idea is never going to do it. You know your if you have an idea that someone else has had the best things have been things that have replicated things. I've already existed and just being better. Right? So I think get over that misconception that someone will steal your idea if it's worth stealing someone would already have done it. Yeah, so I think be open ask her advice seek advice from as many people as you can and really, you know, you are your business when it's when it's at that stage. So you have to back yourself enough to go and say to someone look you've done something. Similar, how do I how do I get going? So I think you know get as many people around you that can give you give you valuable advice and if that means networking or LinkedIn connecting with people sending emails, you know, the first thing I did when I wanted to set this up was I emailed all of who are now our competitors and ask them how they did it and they all replied, you know, because I just thought why not if they know why not ask them the worst thing that can be done is someone doesn't reply. Yeah, and I think the second thing the most important thing which I'm still learning, but I think it's a it's a A piece of advice is patience. I think you've got to be patient. Absolutely. That's the most important thing, you know beyond motivation for me beyond all of those other positive things for me patience. That's really really really hard and it takes a hell of a lot of discipline, but you just have to be patient things will happen. If you keep going in the direction that you want to go and you keep moving forward things will come patience. Nothing's going to happen overnight. You know, I think we all there's a famous quote I I know to her for Teresa to but you know, every overnight success is years and years in the making and it's so true. And I think that's the most difficult thing. You know, there's so much out there at the moment, you know, kind of getting us into this attitude that you know, if you want it enough it will happen. It's true, but you've got to be patient. You've got to keep talking exactly. It's what is this is true only do it for me. I've been doing this podcast for two and a half years now. It's been a side project. Yeah, maybe it's Jim. This is my first paid right? Click. Ok. Okay, so but what I have done is I've released at episode every week or two weeks across those two years. Yeah, and it's is you know, the amount of times that I've had lost my temper with it or nearly given up or whatever. It's just that consistency. Yeah, so I completely think that that last piece is something that anyone listening to this should should soak up because it's about being patients about being consistent and sticking with what sticking with the Got feeling that you know, what you're working towards is he's going to get there. Yeah, that's it. Two more questions and I'll leave you in peace firstly. Is there any resources books documentaries anything that people can watch they're really sort of helped this drive and hunger for what you believe in what your brand represent. I think, you know, of course planet Earth to if you haven't already seen that scene anymore shit incredible. I think I think you know being away. Error of the were that grass thornburg's doing and and just the conversation is happening at the moment around environmentalism. I think is really important and that's not to say that you know, you have to overhaul your life completely and stop Flying and stop driving a car and all those kind of things but it's just being aware of the decisions that you make right? It's say, okay. Well, you know, I really love pink lady apples and you can get four of them there and a plastic wrap or you can get one. You know that I might have to take home and wash it or whatever. Ever, you know, but I'm not I'm not then having a plastic and I'm not putting in a plastic bag that you know, you having a grocery aisle to go and get it wait, you know, it's just taking it as it is getting it Wade. I think it's just those small things where we think about how consuming things and the amount of packaging that it's coming in and reducing that or at least trying it's really difficult. We try doing a plastic free challenge for a week almost impossible which just shows the kind of the the mountain that we're trying to climb but for us if we could start with something that was really small. Convenient the people we want to get people thinking, you know, not even thinking about the packaging. It's a great. It's a great thing to start with but we want to get to the point where people aren't even thinking about it. They're just throwing it in the compost bin and that's it. That's normal. That's that's the goal. That's where we want to be in terms of resources. I think there's loads out there. I think there's a great book by Simon sinek start with why that's really fascinates a tional but it took me a long time to get to my why and I stressed about that quite a lot because I didn't I didn't have it. I just add the solution or the the product if you like him my mind and getting the why was really tough and I think that takes a lot of work and don't be surprised if you don't get it and you don't wake up one morning with your why and suddenly that's it take that can take a while and for me it did but I think that book really helped in stressing the importance of it and the value of of having it and at least on need to think about it and at least questioning yourself when I didn't have it not well, I haven't got one so it doesn't matter trying to get one and trying to strive for it and understand what that was. That was really valuable. And I think that I think there's just you know for me, I think there's just loads of inspirational stuff especially on Ted. That's incredible that you know motivates me everyday to just think, you know, when you're in that mindset and when you're doing something where your goal is massive, you know, I'll goes huge. It's kind of almost on a cellular level to a degree and that can be quite intimidating, you know, when you know when you're trying to do something that's so big in terms of, you know, really have a direct impact on them a plaster that we're using in Packaging. Specially single-use that's a huge issue and as we've covered, you know, the fact that big businesses aren't doing it makes it even harder but I think there's so much out there and you just have to take the time to keep yourself motivated and know that you're not the only person out there trying to make a big difference that for me is really valuable and I think I think you know, it's almost quite tricky in the a lot of books out there about entrepreneurs tend to be from the Viewpoint of successful entrepreneurs who have either made lots of money or made a big name for themselves. There's not much about the guys who have failed. Guys are going through it. All the guys are going through exactly. Right and I think that's really important to do that. So, you know speak to competitors as best you can I know it's not always the easiest thing but speak to competitor speak to people in different Industries at the same stage as you and and look communicate Gathering towards people. That's the only way that you learn as I said earlier. Everyone's had the idea already that that no idea is unique rather not everyone's had your idea but that I know idea is unique and I think what I've learned is to ask people for help, you know, you kind of think of an entrepreneur you have to be the only person doing and it's you or you know, no one else can do what you're doing. The reality is that we're humans are social animals we interact speak to people. Absolutely man. Maybe it's been a real pleasure to speak to you. Thank you, like actually something that I'm really going to improve my knowledge on and do what I can and make people and purpose of this podcast today is really to make people really aware. Yeah of these issues. I think one of the main things I would say where can people follow you on socials and website, whatever. Maybe I'll put in the show notes. Just so people know Excellency our at pastelitos.com. So we've got our online store there and we will send our beans to you in a letter box. Ox letterbox Mala, so you don't need to be in it will go through your door. It's also lighter. So, you know, we're reducing our carbon footprint on that side, and then on Instagram we're at pussy toes underscore UK, beautiful. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, too.

The environmental issues we are faced with today are quite shocking. I in the past have been quite oblivious / ignorant towards them. However over the past 18 months I have had my eyes opened by certain people around me. Doing my research for Sean Morrison, the cofounder of Pulsitos, gave me another opportunity to learn more around particularly the issues surrounding plastic pollution and other environmental issues. Pulsitos are a healthy snack that leads to healthy people and a healthy environment. Their product is good for the environment and it’s packaging does nothing to harm it. With 8 billion tonnes of plastic polluting our oceans every year... something has to be done. If more companies operated line Pulsitos then the world would be a better place. This was a great episode to record as I got on really well with Sean. A really switched on man who really cares about what he is doing. Along with his wife I believe they will do some amazing things with Pulsitos! It was great to meet him and I am so glad he got the chance to be a part of the Redbull Ampahiko Academy. On that note going up and seeing what the Redbull Amaphiko Academy was all about was pretty sensational!! For those that don't know what it is the Red Bull Amaphiko is a programme to help Social Entrepreneurs create innovative and sustainable change in their communities. This episode is part of a 3 part series I recorded. I also interviewed to other great guys with two other great business. The link for the Pulsitos is below here.

Fun fact for you guys 65,000 coaches turn to get the pancake in 2019 for advice volleyball drills and coaching resources. That's like a lot of coaches whether they were looking for free stat sheet downloads goal-setting worksheets to use with their team or just a fun warm-up to start practice with I'mProud to say get the pancake delivered in this past year. We've added tons of valuable information to get the pancake.com new digital downloads free handouts and of course more drills and tips. There's a lot planned for 2020 and I don't want you to miss it. If you want to continue growing as a coach sign up for the get the pancake newsletter by going to get the pancake.com. There's a sign-up Link at the top of the home page. You can't miss it come and join our thriving community and let me help you have your best season yet? Hi their coaches, it's Whitney from get the pancake a podcast for volleyball coaches in today's episode. I'm going to be reading to you from get the pancake.com, which is a website for volleyball coaches. So yes get the pancake is a podcast and a website and there's a bunch of social media things going on as well. The article that I'm going to be reading to you today is titled The Ultimate Guide to coaching fit and 6th grade volleyball rules. Those skills drills and more. I just published this on the website. I believe last weekend and I thought this was a really important topic to cover in depth. So this is probably my longest particle that I have on get the pancake.com. There is just so much going on in fifth and sixth grade. Honestly. This is probably one of the more crucial times that it's very important that coaches kind of cover all aspects of Ball and sort of start to lead these athletes to what they will become once they get into middle school and high school and having coached for quite some time. Now the first time that I coached a group of fifth and sixth graders, I had really high expectations for what they would be able to achieve where I was coaching these players. Most of them had already been to some skills clinics and they had been playing in recreational volleyball for a couple of of years already where I was coaching previously many of these athletes started playing volleyball in first grade. So I went in with a lot of ideas about how he's going to coach these players into becoming Elite 5th and 6th grade athletes and they're just a lot of things when it comes to comprehension of the different concepts in volleyball that I thought they would be able to understand and instead they ended up really struggling with things. Positions and going to base and everything what I'm trying to say, I guess is that you don't need to make 5th and 6th grade volleyball too complicated but there are certain ways that I have found over the years to introduce these more challenging Concepts that they'll be able to use once they get into the next level of volleyball. So we're not trying to skip ahead. We're just guiding them along this path. So enough of the introduction here. Let's just get right into the article. The Ultimate Guide to coaching 5th and 6th grade volleyball rules skills drills and more by Whitney bar to cook from get the pancake.com 5th and 6th grade volleyball and exciting time for players and a challenge for coaches and parents. This is one most players are being introduced to the sport and no matter how athletic a player might be. There are a ton of complicated Concepts that will interfere with their performance. This is when coaches elf included tend to get frustrated. We know that we have Athletic kids on our teams, but they just can't quite seem to get it having worked with this age group for a couple of years. Now. I've finally realized A system that works best for teaching fifth and sixth graders how to play volleyball instead of getting frustrated that the ball drops between players or that they serve and watch the ball come right back to where they should have been. I've realized that it's my job to teach these very basic concepts to players instead of assuming they'll pick up on it it Obvious, but I know I'm not the only one who has gone through this before. I've broken down the basics into different categories. So we're going to cover the basic rules of volleyball where to stand on a volleyball court basic volleyball skills volleyball Concepts and finally I include the best drills for 5th and 6th grade volleyball teams in my opinion. The concepts are the most important element of teaching volleyball to beginners once players understand how the game works and what are supposed to do and why they can focus on the skills and getting better. Why because they'll actually be able to keep the ball in the air longer than two to three Duchess. So without further Ado here is a list of everything you need to teach 5th and 6th grade volleyball players to get them off to a good start and their volleyball careers basic volleyball rules first. There are only three touches per side before the ball needs to go over the net as players get older. This will become past set hit which is commonly called bumps. Spike at the younger ages many 5th and 6th grade players believe they need to pass the ball back over the net on the first Contact. I'm going to give you a drill at the end of this that focuses on using all three of these hits instead of just sending the ball back over the next basic volleyball rule is that there are no doubles so as soon as player a touches the ball another player has to touch it before player a can touch it again, if a player has a bad contact and ends up close by What I've noticed is that they will often take another swing at it to try to pass it again. This deters other players from going after the ball because honestly, they might get hit by the player who made the last contact. No, they're not going to get it right away. What you need to do is emphasize freezing if they make a bad contact. This will allow other players to come in and play the ball without fear the next basic volleyball rule. Do not touch the net technically. There are more exact rules. When you can and cannot touch the net in my opinion, this is too much for fifth and sixth graders to remember just tell them that they're not allowed to touch the net to keep life simple and safer similarly to do not touch the net the next rule is to stay on your side of the net and just like touching the net There are rules about how you can and cannot cross the center line again. Just tell them that they can't step under the net to make things easy and reduce rolled ankles. They last rule that I think is important to emphasize. Emphasize with this age group. Is that the back row cannot hit in the front row. Look hitting is fun and players who especially like hitting will sometimes run into the front row from the back row to hit the ball while there are a ton of technicalities around this rule. We're again going to simplify and say that players who are in the back row can only down by the ball, which we'll talk about more when we start talking about skills. You may have noticed that many of these rules have been simplified and that's I was in my past experiences. I tried to teach the exact rules and I learned that that just confuses everyone keep it simple. They can learn the technicalities later. The next thing that we're going to talk about is positions substitutions and playing time first. There are six players on the court at a time. You will most likely have 10 players or more on your team. And that means that everyone will have to sit out at some point and probably for half of the game. That's just how volleyball All works explain this to your players and their parents so that you have fewer pouty lips on the sidelines and just as a warning there will still be some players who get mad when they're out. They'll probably cross their arms and complain that it's not fair that they have to sit out even if playing time is equal. You've been warned next regarding positions. I do not recommend using a libero for fifth and sixth graders unless you're playing Club volleyball most players are not specialized in fifth and sixth grade. Have a true libero identified even though it would be fun to mix it up and have players experience playing libero. I'd save that for advanced teams or Club teams who are a few months into the season as a side note while I'm going through all of these you're more than welcome to disagree and test out your own theories with your 5th and 6th grade volleyball team. But this is what I have found works with multiple teams in multiple locations throughout the u.s. So this is how I recommend during this age group. But again, you're more than welcome to do your own thing. The next piece of advice that I have for playing positions is to have your players play the position that they rotate into one of my biggest mistakes coaching 5th graders in the past was expecting them to understand positions. Sixth graders during long Seasons may be able to figure out positions but fifth grade, especially beginner players should just play the position they rotate into having your players set when they wrote Into middle front is easiest but having them set from right front as more like the game, they'll learn as they get older. So if you have complete beginners just set from the middle front to make life a little easier and then for intermediate volleyball teams try setting from the right front if you have a more experienced team or if you're playing Club, I would recommend that you learn how to run a 6-2 which at this age I think would be best because of equal playing time and simplicity or you can run a 5:1 but in my opinion they're not going to be specialized enough or able to even remember all of the different places that they have to stand on the court when running a 5-1 when it comes to substitutions. I suggest that you make Subs when players rotate into front row or back row playing time is most commonly determined by when a player is in front row or back room before the game designate players who will play front row or back row and tell them who they are something. For an example would be Kayla will play front row and as she's rotating into back row Jennifer will Sub in technically you can make substitutions anytime you want. But this is what a standard at all levels of volleyball just as a heads up players who only play front row will sub out right before they serve this often results in hurt feelings because all players want to serve so I would mix up who plays front row and back row on occasion also substitutions are typically made. When your team wins a rally and rotates not when you lose a rally and are in the middle of a rotation again, you can sub at any time, but this is what's normal. All right. Now, I want to talk about skills to start us out. We're going to discuss serving all rallies start with a serve and being able to get the ball over to start a rally is critical underhand overhand serving are both acceptable at these ages, but Club will be primarily over. Hand over hand serving will be expected by seventh grade in most areas. So start to teach your players the overhand serve when you feel they are ready many fifth graders are able to serve over hand if they are taught the proper mechanics and given time in my opinion over in in is more important than a tough serve when I'm teaching the underhand serve I use Rock and pop as my keywords and then for overhand serving toss and 5r my cue words. So q words are things that you sort of repeat over and over again to your players to help them. Remember the mechanics of a certain movement. Now, I do have a video on YouTube about underhand serving if that's what you would prefer to use and honestly, I would suggest using underhand serving if your players are not strong enough to overhand serve a yet the video almost has a hundred thousand views. I'll link to it in the description, but it is a long explanation. Sharon of the different steps so that you have a full understanding of what to do going into practice when you're teaching the underhand serve now, let's talk about passing. So passing and keeping the ball on your side of the net is one of the toughest Concepts to teach for going to talk about later want you to teach players to get behind the ball and stay sort of hunched over as they're passing swinging at the ball only causes Shanks, which is volleyball speak for bad pass that no one else can touch. It's also important that you teach players to move in all directions to pass the ball start with teaching side to side movement then running forward to pass the ball and finally how to pass the ball after moving backwards. You can try to pack this all into one day, but this is probably going to come over the course of a season especially moving backwards and then passing the ball forwards that is very challenging for 5th and 6th graders. So worried about side to side first and then running Word and stopping before we pass the ball. Those are the ones that I would highlight as a coach do not always toss the ball nicely two players in practice the ball rarely if ever comes to them nicely in a game the results may not be pretty and practice. But when you get in a game situation, you'll see that your team is likely much more prepared than your opponent also practice serve receive which is passing the ball after it's been served since this will be the most and passing contact that young players will have on the ball at this age of there aren't too many rallies. So they're passes as I just said will most likely come in serve receive setting. Okay setting as a Setter is rare at the younger ages. The setting motion can also be called overhand passing and can be used at other times in a match rather than just setting an attacker for a hit so teach settings / / hand passing as Alternative to backpedaling and passing the ball this often results in a better contact and keeps the ball in play longer. It also just kind of makes sense to players to stick their arms up and over hand pass rather than keep their passing form Shuffle backwards and then pass the ball forward when you're teaching setting in the context of setting the ball so it can be hit teach your players to set down the alley that's what I like to call it instead of setting to a person. So I Have an article about setting down the alley and I'll link that in the description but a lot of players get confused and think oh, I want Alejandra to hit. I'm going to set to Alejandro and what they need to do is set in front of her so that she can do her approach and hit the ball there. So this is like in football you throw the ball where the receiver is going to be not where they actually are when you release the ball now, we're going to talk about hitting so hitting is like everybody's favorite thing to do except for like one or two people on a team. Sitting in the front row is complicated but often players like hitting so much that they will practice their footwork and arm swing at home that makes your job a lot easier at practice start by teaching how to down ball the ball and just forget about the full approach footwork to start with just work on the last two steps and contacting the ball at the right time. No jumping involved once players are ready teach them the four step approach most of us coaches grew up doing the three-step approach, but But at the higher levels this has pretty much been abandoned for the four-step approach simply because of the momentum and timing that it gives players. So if you've been teaching three step, that's fine, but moving forward. I am only teaching the four-step approach. Not only are you going to teach them to down by the ball from the front row you're going to teach them to down ball the ball from the back row as well. This reduces the number of times the ball drops and it gets a big cheers from the Crowd if you try to emphasize that the full approach to early on you'll get players just running into the net and tripping over themselves. So just focus on the last two steps and the arm swing and don't worry about jumping the last skill that I think often gets overlooked is jousting. So after your team has been practicing a while you'll notice that when the ball is close to the net they'll often just stare and Let It Drop teaching your players to joust. Arliss of height will help you win more points because they'll know what to do when the ball is close to the net you may even get some inadvertent blocks out of this training. Now if you're wondering what the heck is jousting, I always like to introduce this to my players in practice by asking them what they think Jay Chou sting is and often times you'll have one or two that say it's one that two people on the horses are riding at each other and try to hit each other with the sword and that's basically what we're doing except. We're doing it in volleyball. So we're trying to hit the ball back over onto the other side of the net before the other team. Can I have a whole article on what Jousting is and how to teach it to your players as always the link will be in the description. So just go and check that out to learn more about jousting before we continue. I want to take a quick break to tell you about anchor anchor is honestly the easiest way to make a podcast for starters it's free, which doesn't get any better than that second of all. 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In into defense so blares will often serve and then watch that serve and since for your opponent the easiest contact on the ball often results in it returning right back to where it came from. This usually ends up in a point inside out for the other team so practice serving and then running onto the court and getting into ready position you get bonus points, if you then throw a ball to this player and have them pass immediately after with a lot of these Concepts. It's important that you Actually design a drill that incorporates these Concepts because just telling your players what to do isn't going to help they need their body to go through the motion that way they understand fully what you're talking about. And then you can refer back to the drill if they forget about it during a match. The next concept is understanding who is responsible for what area of the Court when passing I like to use what I call my two-step rule balls drop all the time because it lands in tween two players or worse yet. Just right next to someone since you'll probably be running a very basic defense at this age. I like to teach my players that any ball within two steps of them. Well, it's there's this is more concrete to them than telling them. It's there's if it's in their zone or something like that has a side note. I would suggest that you make the best use out of your most aggressive players and put them next to players who don't move much to start out. This will result in less dropped balls two strikes. Start your season and as time goes on expand the responsibilities for your more timid players another concept that this age group really struggles with is that the setter chases down the second ball, since you're probably having everyone set at this age. It can be hard for players to get into a Setter mindset teach players that when they are at the setter. The second ball is theirs when they rotate into Center position have them say it out loud both as a reminder to them and for their teammates, Some teams will let their Setters call help if they can't get to the second ball. And then what happens is a teammate is supposed to step in and pass or set the ball, but I'm just gonna be honest. This is really confusing for this age group. So I would only use this if your team has more experience. Otherwise, I would Institute a no-help policy there will be dropped balls, but that will motivate your team to pass better stutters are also more likely to go for it if they No that no one else is going to get in their way. So practice having your players set from different spots on the court and make sure that they practice running there from wherever you have your Center position. This will help them feel more confident come game time. So once your Setter finally figures out that they have to go and get that second ball then of course what happens? Well, they said somebody and that person isn't ready. So the next concept is to make sure that your hitters are preparing to hit while the setter is getting the ball just like Setters forget to chase down the second ball hitters forget that their turn to touch the ball is coming up next. This will be one of the hardest Concepts to teach new players since getting a true path set hit sequence is pretty rare at this age teach your hitters to recognize that asset is coming and that it could come from different angles by running hitting lines with your team. But have your tosses go to different spots on the court. They will start to recognize who the ball is going to based on where The pass is helping them prepare to hit. All right, it sent the ball over. It's time to watch it and see if the other team messes up bright know your team needs to get back into a defense mindset after the ball goes over. That's our next concept that is really challenging for this age group. Because once you finally hit it you want to just see what happens and it so everyone stops moving and watches the ball. The players should learn to reset after the ball goes back over and get into their Air Base position on the court more advanced teams might have true positions that they run too. But younger teams just need to get back into their Zone on the court. So incorporate moving into Base by practicing this movement every time your team sends the ball back over the net in as many drills as you can I would also use reset or base as a keyword as an easy way to remind them in the middle of a match when they inevitably forget to do this. The last concept that I think will really help you out when you're coaching this age group is to teach them front row jousting for a tight ball. And we talked about this in skills, but the concept can be tough for players to understand now coaches eyes light up when a tall player walks into their gym for tryouts. You'll surely win all your matches with someone who can reach over the net without even jumping. However, you need to teach those players and all others what to do at the net instead of assuming knowing that they'll naturally know what to do when the ball is tight to the net and you're not sure what side it'll come down on many players will just stand back and watch but teach your players to jump up to meet the ball and you'll likely win 70 percent or more of these balls until other teams figure this out too when two players go up for a ball. It's called jousting. Like I mentioned earlier there's a link in the description that explains what Jousting is. All right, we finally gotten to the drills portion of the article. So now Knowing what skills to teach is one thing but having drills to teach them is another I've put together a brief list of some of my favorite drills to run with this age group. But many of the drills on get the pancake will work to even if something seems a little too advanced there's often A variation at the end of the article that gives you a simpler way to from the drill. I will briefly discuss each drill, but I'll just include a link to all of these drills that way you can go and check them out for yourself the First one is dead fish which is a fun accuracy serving game. The next is hitting Survivor in this helps players aim their hits and then also teaches being in the right spot for passing and their shuttle passing which encourages players to read the ball correctly and teaches them the right height to pass the ball, then there's Justin group work which already talked about jousting a whole lot. It's pretty important to go through this. Least once with your team then there's also one touch to touch three touch Columbus. That's a really long name for a drill that this eventually reinforces that your team can use all three touches and you eventually work up to that point where each side is using all three. Finally Queen of the court is one of the most basic volleyball drills and just about everyone who has played volleyball has ran this drill and that's because it's awesome. It reinforces a lot of the skills that we've discussed and it also So teaches a lot of the concepts as well. So highly encourage you to go and check out all of these drills along with just exploring get the pancake.com Before. I Let You Go, be sure to join our closed Facebook group, which is volleyball Coaches Corner. That way you have a place to turn when you have questions. If you're new to coaching volleyball. I also highly recommend that you check out my book, which is titled coaching volleyball a survival guide for your first season. This is just teaching you. How to run a team effectively so it's about Team Management. It's about taking stats. It's about preparing for your first tournament how to run a practice how to run your season is a pretty complicated process. So this is the book that I was looking for when I first started coaching I wanted something that just told me this is what you need to do and I really struggled to find anything out there. That's why I Africa coaching for a couple of years. I was like, you know, what I'm going to do it if nobody else is going to ride it. I'm going to write it I've Saved a ton of awesome feedback from coaches who read the book and there are many people who recommended out there. I obviously think that you should read it and I think it would be a good gift for someone as well. If you have a friend who is new to coaching. Even if you are past your first season if you're in your second or third, I still think it would be a good read you can get it as an e-book or as a paperback. It's only available through Amazon. So of course, I'll include a link. That's the last one that I have for you guys. I hope you enjoyed this podcast episode. Be sure to subscribe to the get the pancake podcast where ever you're listening to it. And if you can leave a review, I would love that. I love getting feedback about what I'm doing. Well what I can improve on. So if you're wanting longer podcast episode shorter podcast episodes more drill specific skills specific coaching philosophy, whatever leave it in the review. I read them. I check them all the time. Be sure to follow a cat the pancake on Instagram Facebook and even Pinterest I am wishing you all happy holidays. I'm so thankful that you are here and I can't wait to have you back for the next episode on the get the pancake podcast.

If you are coaching beginners in volleyball, this is episode is a *MUST* listen! Do you need a crash course on the basic rules of volleyball, what skills young volleyball players need to know, and what concepts you need to teach them? Let me walk you through how to coach beginner volleyball step-by-step! ---------- LINKS ---------- Original Article: www.getthepancake.com/drills-and-tips/ultimate-guide-5th-6th-grade-volleyball How to Underhand Serve a Volleyball for Beginners: https://youtu.be/E65rysfSWNQ How to Run a 6-2 in Volleyball: https://getthepancake.com/drills-and-tips/6-2-offensive-volleyball-system How to Run a 5-1 in Volleyball:https://getthepancake.com/drills-and-tips/5-1-offensive-volleyball-system Setting Down the Alley: https://getthepancake.com/drills-and-tips/teaching-your-setter-to-set-along-the-net-not-to-the-hitter [BOOK] Coaching Volleyball: A Survival Guide for Your First Season: https://amzn.to/2Q2ODYa Closed Facebook Group "Volleyball Coaches Corner:" https://www.facebook.com/groups/322963254922796/ DRILLS Dead Fish Hitting Survivor Shuttle Passing Jousting Group Work 1 Touch, 2 Touch, 3 Touch, Columbus Queen of the Court --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hey guys, and welcome to the sen double inside a podcast. My name is Martine and with me is scheana's Banks. Hi guys, Chanel's do you want to introduce yourself a little bit about who you are where you come from? And what your role is at send herbal sure. So I'm shahnaz I've been at send well for about just over two years. I started as the customer support team lead. And I'm now the customer support manager. We had the support team started off with just three people and now it's grown to 7 and you used to work from the from the central HQ. Yes. So when I first started at spendable, I actually just looked down the road. It was actually a perfect opportunity before coming to send a ball my commute was about an hour and a half and so for it to be a 10-minute difference to the HQ. It was amazing and now recently you We've moved back to South Africa where you were originally from. Do you want to just tell everybody a little bit about why you move back and how that's been for you sure. It's a little bit of a complicated setup. So basically I was actually born in the UK. I lived here for 15 years with my family, and then we moved back to South Africa because my parents were originally from Cape Town move back to South Africa. I completed my education or tertiary education in Cape Town. Started working there, and I wanted to have a little bit more of a challenge. So I came back to London after eight years by myself and had been working in London for 12 years many different roles all around London was a great experience and then fortunately was due to some personal circumstances. I needed to move back to Cape Town, which actually really helped because it was I needed a new tractor again, so it was quite nice to think that I needed just to change. The environment and then one day I was speaking to Gavin and mentioned that I wanted to go back to South Africa and he asked the question which I had been dreading. Do you really want to leave Centreville and to be honest at that stage? I thought maybe maybe not but when he asked that question it made me realize how much I enjoyed being here how I enjoyed being part of actual the team and how much I've had grown myself. So when I mentioned that I didn't really want to leave he brought up. The opportunity to work remotely which just seemed to answer many questions. However, I was still a little bit nervous because it was something different but it was it was a good it was a good suggestion and I'm glad I'm still here just working remotely in one of our first episodes of the sensible inside a podcast. We mentioned the remote working and how we were faced with situations where we had people who had a change of circumstances and who were going to leave the company and instead of losing good people like in this case shown as we decided To adapt the way we work and allow for remote working. So that's something we hadn't set up in South Africa. We've set it up in other countries. It had never been something that we had introduced in South Africa. So Chanel's was kind of the one who pioneered this in South Africa. So do you want to mention what we're kind of the differences between working in HQ and working in South Africa will go into the final detail later, but just generally how would How would how was your day different so working remotely? Rather than being at HQ. You also realize that the option to just walk across the room and actually go and speak to someone that doesn't really work or picking up the phone. It's not something that's Proactive or it's a good use of time. So we use a tool called stack and then you just found that you end up being on slack a little bit more but one of the concerns that I did have being a manager of the team was making sure that we still had That one-to-one time to be able to actually catch up on a one-to-one basis every week. So it's trying to actually Slaton a little bit of like a catch-up but for specific reasons to make sure it's not wasting time into each week and then also continuing the daily stand-ups that we have and trying to just interact with them any way that I can but then you do find that you're actually on slack a little bit more. It's about Balancing Act between doing the actual. I work and then also trying to communicate with your team. Do you feel the tools that we've implemented like the donut and Tacos on select do you think that has helped? I love tacos one explain a little bit about what it is. Yes. So basically what you do is you actually you can give at a CO2 someone on slack and just say thanks at mention that person you've been absolutely brilliant today. Here's a taco and it's a great opportunity to actually highlight the number of times. One has helped you or supported you throughout your day. The only limitation is that we can only give five tackles a day. So you've got to be really careful with how you going to hand that out. Especially put a big team so said the Techo tall was fantastic because you can actually highlight what people have done for you especially outside your team as well and it being cross-functional was even better. And then another quick thing that I found was an actual Tech open in Cape Town, which has been amazing. So it's kind of like hard Highlighted our actual Tech opens. Oh, yeah. Oh, I saw one even the shape of the hand. And then with the Donut app what that basically does on a every two weeks randomly. You would be picked to people to actually spend some time to get to know one another the amount of information that you find out about that person that you never really would have even if you were in the office doesn't necessarily always happen. So that was actually a great tool for us to actually Implement and if you've Somebody if you're paired with somebody who's actually in your team, do you talk about sensible related topics or is it only personal topics and things that you might not know each other but each other with myself I try to get the personal side of things because if he end up talking about work all the time, you can't really Bond over that so it's quite it's quite nice that if you are paired up with someone within the team, it's just trying to find out something about that person that you would never use you have known or never usually would have asked. Okay. So now you said you Were set up in in Cape Town you were working from home in the beginning. What were some of the reasons that you wanted us to find you a co-working space in Cape Town. So at that time of mean actually moving to Cape Town the opportunity arose where we had availability for a new team member and after looking for a new team member with in London. We were finding that it wasn't as easy as we thought and At that time we thought well, if I'm moving to Cape Town, why not find someone that could actually work with me. So then that meant that we didn't need to find a co-working space rather than actually having an office. So back in April when you guys did the HQ revamp we had to work remotely for a month and I was able to work in the co-working space in London, which was fantastic because it also give me the idea that working in a a co-working space in Cape Town could actually be more beneficial than anything else because it just meant you weren't alone. There was a few factors that you that we had to also think about with working from home was the fact that in Cape Town for the last I would probably say decade I don't mean that in a bad way, but every now and then we would lose electricity just due to there not being enough. They went through a cycle of doing load shedding is what you'd caught it, so it's actually Dedicated time where you wouldn't real lectricity would go and you wouldn't be able to actually work or anything like that. So because I was working from home it meant that I was affected one or two times. So it was a great opportunity to also go co-working so that one of the questions that I asked when we were looking around was what happens when the load shed and happened and they had a generator for like four hours or three hours, so we were covered so it's all good. Crazy how your requirements change exactly. What would you say? The biggest differences are working in South African working in the UK. One of the biggest differences. I would probably have to say is the whether it's fantastic though. You definitely don't need to be wearing boots. I think one of the things that is definitely an eye-opener is I like about Cape Town or South Africa is it's a little bit of a slower pace. So I've just recently come to the head office with Two of the support agents that we hired and when we landed I did ask them the question. Did they notice that my Pace had changed? So in Cape Town, I'm a little bit more laid back and a little bit more relaxed. And as soon as I hit Heathrow, I was just walking really fast. I would probably say I was talking really fast to their the pace is a little bit faster here and that's one of the differences. I actually prefer the slower Pace however with the little bit of a contradiction I do miss the fact that it's not a little bit faster as well. You kind of want to happy medium or good balance between the two I can understand that. I remember we used to refer to living in Cape Town. We used to have a Cape Town Walk and then the London walk and the speed is very very different. Absolutely. Another thing that I really could tell the difference was the fact that when you are working for a company that is global and you do sometimes realize that some you can't always work. The hours that has been set for you and it's also explaining that to some people around you that you may need to work a little bit longer or time or having that actual flexible working hours that you guys provide. It's also a foreign thing in South Africa's. They don't realize that you when you're working in a company that you can actually as long as you do your time. You can come in at flexible hours. We're in Cape Town your South Africa you realize that especially when working for our Company you come in at 9:00 and then you leave at 5:30. And that's it. They hadn't really heard about that all whole flexibility when it comes to hours. I remember when I was looking at remote working officers a lot of them closed at five so there wasn't even an option. If you were working American hours there wasn't actually even an option so that kind of helped us narrow it down quite a bit. Do you want to talk about a little bit about the hiring process in South Africa? I know you've hired quite a bit in the UK. So there's must have been a very different experience for you can just tell us a little bit. About the process the challenges you faced any comments you'd like to make on it. Sure. So it was a little bit of a different process to start off with because we hadn't really decided at that time. If we were going to do the whole co-working space and when you're working in customer support, you do realize that you need to have the support of the people around you so that you can quickly go over a certain troubleshooting issue or do a take training session or just to in support you get to collaborate quite a lot. So I was looking for people where they didn't mind majority of their team being in a different country. But also only having myself there that they were going to be quite proactive in actually searching for issues or just asking a lot of questions. So when we initially actually when we advertise for the job Because we didn't have any application or where the offices were. A lot of the questions did come around about where we based and what I found quite interesting was they didn't necessarily believe that we were a company or we were a UK company what of spendable who had been around for 10 years. We were given such a great opportunity of working flexible hours when you're actually doing shift work in customer support. It usually is a case of you're working from 9 a.m. To 5 p.m. Which is a good early shift, but then when you're doing a late shift, it can go into like midnight and you still have to go into the office. You can't actually work from home but extendable we provide the opportunity for them to work at home because we also don't want them leaving so late at night. And again, that was something that it was a benefit. They didn't actually quite believe they didn't actually think that they could actually do this too. Good to be true. Yes very much. So so it Was a case of actually convincing that candidates that this was actually a proper role that even that I was the process was strange because usually you would have a call for 20 minutes you would then have a second stage interview of a face-to-face interview and that wasn't happening. We actually had to do it over Zoom trying to also get everything working correctly was a little bit tricky but it made them also realize that they could do this that they HD it could work. But yeah when I had finished hiring to successful candidates, they basically said to me that they didn't think that it was a it was true because you had the opportunity to also come to HQ to get to know everyone and do some training and it wasn't something that they thought that they could do. It's not something that comes on to their stalls doorstep very often. So it was trying to convince them that it was it was true and that Had a few candidates that actually because they didn't believe it was true. They didn't want to take the application further though. Yeah, it was it was trying to convince them that it's true. But also trying to get from them that they could do the role and actually what they could provide us as well as us provide them. So I felt like I was being interviewed sometimes so is that like a real problem in South Africa that this has happened that people have learned from this experience that you have to be very careful when accepting a job. Yeah, because the Jobs, there are it's not as easy to find jobs there especially with jobs that have a great benefits. And so sometimes they do believe it's too good to be true and there are false advertising when it comes to jobs. And so you don't really want to put yourself out there, especially if nothing was pointing in the right direction. So without realizing because we didn't have an office. I didn't realize why it was a little bit tricky and also looking and for the offices when we could Martin you helped so much with that you had to also because we were hiring at the same time. I had to also be mindful of where they were living and if it was commutable because there's no great public transport, unfortunately, and then you spend most of your time driving again. It's just making sure that you're not driving for too long. So it was quite a lot of factors that you had to think about when when looking for an office. So now you've got your Team members in K-Town how have you found managing the uk-based team while you're based in coat on I sometimes I feel that I have missing out in the in jokes. There are some things that I miss out on I would have to say one of the things that it's a little bit of a Juggle would be trying to make sure that I'm always there for them the London team HQ making sure that they know I'm always there and can answer them as soon as possible as well as training to new starters. So it meant that time management needs to be really spot-on. And also another thing which I realize is trying to make sure that the two new starters also got to know the team and that they didn't feel like they were apart from one another and that they knew who to lean on if I wasn't always around. So, how did your team react when you told them that you were going to be moving back to South Africa, so I wasn't very gentle when I told them I literally ripped off the And eight and said some of moving back to South Africa and then initial reaction was are you leaving? So I was very nice in that instance, but I had to reassure them that I was going to still be there and that nothing not that nothing could change because it was things were going to change but I was going to try and make sure that the the change wasn't going to impact them too much and I think that's also helped. I think you learn to appreciate the person that's next to you then. Working remotely makes you realize that she the person next to you you appreciate and that you it meets the relationship be a little bit more genuine if that makes sense. So it was probably a good thing and it was something that it was definitely a learning curve that both sides had to get used to but I think it was a good thing. It was a lesson learned on both sides. Have you noticed any changes in their work or anything or is everything just carried on as if as if you were still next to them? I think there's you would have to monitor a still a little. Bit more to make sure that everything is done. But you do also realize that it's best to have as much as you can automated. So any other manual processes you try to automate it as much as you can so that it gained its good time management, but then I think it gives them a little bit more autonomy as well. It allows them to actually think a little bit more before asking that question or before reaching out. They want to see they come to you with a solution rather than the question. So as actually a good good thing too. So one of the things that we assure remote workers is that we will bring them over to the HQ at least twice a year. So Chanel's and no team actually arrived yesterday for our Christmas party let later on in the week and all I can say is absence definitely makes the heart grow fonder. You should have seen the grins on her team's faces when she walked in. I definitely have to agree that my family will ask me quite a lot. Like do you think you were missed and I was like, no they Me every day. I'll be fine as in see me every day over over Zoom through the startups and the meetings. So I was like now they're probably not excited for me to come over but I have to admit the warm welcoming that I received was it was amazing. It made me realize that I am missed. I do feel part of something and I had to go around and actually hug everyone in the office. So it was good. It was good. There was sensible love and what's amazing to see is actually the fact that exactly what you mentioned earlier the fact that your team have never actually met the two new starters, but they were greeted as if they've known each other for months already and with hugs and yeah, they didn't kind of have to break the ice or anything it was as if they've known each other for months. Well, there's one thing that we do so we have a weekly support meeting so that we can go over certain stacks. And the first thing that we do do is an actual team Icebreaker. So I definitely remember recommend any type of icebreakers whenever Starting a meeting because you get to know the other people and also it breaks the ice a little bit it gets everyone in the office in a good mood when you're starting a meeting because with meetings they can overrun or anything like that. So it's a good thing. Can you give one or two examples of icebreakers that you've done? Hmm. So one would be your favorite childhood memory or another thing would be if you could do anything else than what you're doing right now. What would it be? Can you explain the process? S of telling your two new to new starters about coming in December and just a little bit about what happened kind of because they're only really started in the beginning of November than they and they've already started working and come to the UK for a Christmas party. I think there was a lot of excitement to think that because not necessarily you travel a lot especially in South Africa backdoor local destinations. You could possibly drive to you wouldn't necessarily say really get on a plane and go somewhere so The excitement of coming over to hit HQ was very evident. You could see it on their faces, but then it came to the next step of making sure that they had their passports and then also with in South Africa you need a visa to enter the UK which the amount of times I've heard over the last couple of years is I'm very lucky to have a British passport. I'd like to say I'm more fortunate than Nike. But anyways that SS because I've never been through myself it's quite a long process and it can be a little bit daunting at times but the girls took it in the strides and with as much support as possible. They got their visas, but it's definitely a experience that I've never seen before and it's something that you again you learn to appreciate certain things that you have that's not necessarily in other countries. I think I need to add in when Chanel says they got their visas what she really Like to say was they got their visas about four hours before they fly its it was mad Panic. It was once painful those pieces and they literally came without a few hours before the flight. It was exhausting but I think it really added to the experience and something that they'll never forget that are always remember sensible in that way. It felt like we were actually on a program called Amazing Grace so that was exciting and and This is proof. That in double is real and our HQ is real and now office Inc. I've done is real exactly really do bring our remote workers over. Do you have any advice for people wanting to set up offices in in South Africa or anywhere else in the world people wanting to become remote workers. If you got any advice any any experiences that you want to share something that I did realize having had the opportunity of working for a co-working space in London. What is in Cape Town is that in Cape Town the offices of mode there's more dedicated officers. But what I liked about the London set up was the fact that it was like a co-working space so that there was no dedicated officers. You were mixed with other companies. So you were able to network more. I definitely wanted to take that over to Cape Town because I felt that if your team was going to be halfway across the world. It's actually better to work in a co-working space where your me Mingling with other companies so that you still feel you're part of a different type of team. So that's something that I would definitely recommend or even if at the beginning you started off in a co-working space and then moved to an office. It's just your way of actually speaking to other people and be part of a team if you virtually as well as within the actual permanently within the space another thing that I would definitely advise is going to see the Spanish. Says that you're going so that you so that you can actually imagine where your deaths will be or where certain things are just so that again you feel a little bit more comfortable when you're moving into a place and it definitely opens you up as a person to not be so shy you have to actually come out of your shell a little bit. So it's always a good learning experience. So you would so you would recommend remote working. I would definitely recommend remote working because it gives you the opportunity to e to focus but then also when you see the people that you haven't seen in a very long time, then you can also create new memories and have new stories. So if the Best of Both Worlds, do you think you would ever move back to the UK? I'm sure you get asked that a lot. I do. Yes, that's a difficult question to answer. I would probably say maybe or if you ask me if I would go anywhere else in the world then yes, because it It gives you the opportunity working remotely to work somewhere else, which is quite nice. But the one thing I actually I did want to just mention which I didn't think was I didn't think it was too much of a problem because we are only into being in South Africa your two hours ahead in the winter and then one hour ahead in the summer. I didn't think that it was going to be too much of a problem. It's not a problem, but you do have to readjust to your timings. For example, if you are working UK time. Times you are going to finish at a 5:30 5:30 in the UK, but it is 7:30 in South Africa. So those two hours do make a difference and it's just about managing your time again, so through the whole thing about work from working remotely. You really do have to manage your time. Definitely but I think even in coat on 7:30, it's probably lighter light and coat on then it is yet 531 in the winter. So definitely is but one thing I have to say also I cave down is on a Friday you finish at 3 p.m. The beach I'm sure yes, so I can still summon three people do ask. Why are you still here? But at least there's the opportunity as you say to take your laptop home at you and Carry On from there doesn't make a difference to us and doesn't affect productivity in any way definitely not. Okay. Chanel says want to say thank you so much for joining me today. Thanks for having me. If people have more questions about remote working or bad your experience. What's the best way for them to get in touch with you? Yeah, I am on LinkedIn so you can connect with me and then ask any questions. Schnoz banks on LinkedIn. So I think that's my at Matt handle. Okay, it's Chanel's. Thanks very much. Bye.

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Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the Jr. Overcome show. If you love this show we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a five-star review. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Everybody wants to be on top of the problem. Nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill. There is that I overcome mindset that makes all the difference either way. We're taught is you're going to call going to scratch. You're gonna bite you're gonna dig you're going to do whatever it takes to. Get to the top of that mountain bad unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success to seals One mission the Jr. Overcome show. Hey and welcome back to the Jr. Overcome show. This is episode 17. We are here in lovely, Virginia Beach, Virginia. I'm sitting at speaking of lovely. I'm sitting across from the lovely and talented and muscle-bound Ray. Cash care what's up, brother? Welcome back to the show episode 17 first. Thank you for the lovely comment. I appreciate it. I'm here for you. I want to look pretty for you today. And I'm just you know me man. I'm happy. I'm here. I love doing this with you and every day is a blessing. So let's get to it while you know, you know, you look good because you have good hair in a good beard. And apparently I just want to let everybody know. These are the pre-qualifications to be a good seal. Some people ask me about that the other day and they said Said what does it take to be a seal? And I said good hair. It's it if you are bald or you missing hair you need to go join the Army just letting you know now for those of for those of my brother and that had hair and lost it their grandfather did exactly there's a waiver there's a waiver. Hey, you know in the teams that as long as you make it in the door, there's a waiver for everything after that Trish made me cut the beer down. This is actually the trim fine beard. I actually she was telling me she doesn't like me want to have clean cut she doesn't Shadow and now, I guess she doesn't like the beard so I don't think she likes my entire face, but I'm working at it. There's no keeping her happy but you know, I'm trying I've got some things coming up. So I've got to keep the beard. Yeah. Hey man, you got a rocket, you know, the long-haired Admiral likes me with longer hair. Although my hair grows so quickly, you know, it gets out of control. But you know one of these days I'm going to rock the Fabian locks. I'm just going to do it. I'm just going all in so all right. We'll listen. We got an amazing show today. I got to tell You we have an absolutely incredible guest I am just absolutely just stoked to have this individual on I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag yet real quickly. I just want to tap into what we have going on Ray. You actually just finished a big event man. That's tell me about it was just down in Austin, Texas at Rogue American Apparel. Yeah, the great nation of Texas salute Our Guest is actually from the great nation of Texas. See how I put oh I plug those well done. Well playing God Bless, Texas put on my Camps for about eleven individuals and actually which I can't get into right now, but I've got a big project coming up that I had to audition for and you see the quotes I did air quotes going on. I got a big stuff coming for my man. And you guys are going to get a taste of that sometime later in the year. It's going to be awesome. I'm continuing Rock forward with my overcome book, which will come out in December and the Overcome Army group coaching program is really going well. I've got people that are signing up. They're loving it. So that's what we got going on. But without further Ado, I want to jump right into our amazing and lovely and talented guest many of you know, this incredible individual. Her name is Taya Kyle and Taya comes from the great nation of Texas. She actually originated from Portland, Oregon and went on throughout. Her life and met her lovely husband a teammate of Ray and eyes Chris Kyle the legend himself who became the most decorated sniper in American history and obviously a legend in the SEAL Teams. Just an amazing guy. I actually met Chris after my injuries and we became friends and did several events with him and Taya and got to know them over the Years and just an amazing guy a teammate a father and an incredible husband and friend and obviously so many of you know, the story of what happened with Chris when his life was cut short in February of 2013. And you know, I talk so much about life Ambush is and how these things can absolutely devastate you and Taya Kyle is a hero of mine because she when I talk about getting off the Acts there are those individuals who just moved slowly away from it. There are those individuals who get stuck on it forever. And then there is that small group who use this Ambush Point as a launch point. They don't just survive it they Thrive from it and they set the example to everyone around them and Taya Kyle has done that. She is gone forward and set the example for so many wives and so many Americans all across the country. She is a patriot. She is a just a steadfast Christian lock solid and her faith. She believes in the greatness of this country. She has written two books American Wife and now just came out with her brand new book American Spirit which profiles 30 stories of incredible everyday Americans that are out there and making a difference. It is our great honor to have you on the show Taya Kyle. Welcome to the Jr. Overcome show. Amazing. That's that's quite the introduction and I don't know if people are to be able to see the video or not, but I got to tell you I'm looking at you talking about your hair and I'm seeing a man bun in your future. I think you could rock it, you know, I do notice you are kind of rocking the bun and I obviously your hero of mine. I would totally Rock a man Bond and say I'm rocking this for Taya Kyle. Yeah, I think that'd be amazing. And today I want to let you know there's not there's not a whole lot of things that you know, go, you know, like big and me don't go together for almost anything but when it comes to introductions, I do big as your tongues - yeah. Yeah. That was The Man Behind trouble. But yeah, well, like I said big introductions, that's all I got. No, she said she's happy if what I heard. All right. Well, obviously, I love it the that was that we're going she was paid to say that. Yeah. She was yeah chucks in the checks in the mail to checks in the mail. Hey, did you say you have a talker can't I have a conquer? Yeah cocker spaniel. Not a dog. What what type of dog do you have? I have a conquer CEO NQ u q Yu ER, excuse me. I had to make sure I can spell mode and word. But yes conquer not Co CK H. ER. Yes, ma'am. You need to enunciate that Co cker. There's no h yes. Yes, it's my seven points of becoming the master of yourself becoming overcoming and conquering everything amazing. So tell we're so excited to have you on the show. And as everyone knows we have our word of the day the focal point of the show everything we build this show around and I reached out to you earlier. And I said Te'o what would be your word and without hesitation. You let us know that your word would be endurance. So as we do in every show Ray is Going to give us the definition of endurance and then we're going to jump into we're gonna have a little bit of a discussion of why endurance is such a strong word for you and what it means so Ray. Yeah Mr. Cash would you do the honors? I will this word really resonates with me. I actually showed you the definition because it was so powerful. It was foul for what we're doing. So it's the factor power of enduring and unpleasant or difficult process or situation without giving way which I think pertains to our guests on just so many different levels. Absolutely. We're and read the read the sub description. I thought it was perfect. You ready? She was close to the limit of her endurance. I mean that's straight out of the dictionary incredible reading this right off the dictionary. It's like they made this word as it pertained directly to you. So I was like, wow. Yeah. I've never read the definition of it and I loved it says without giving away right exactly without giving away. Yes, ma'am. So tell why is this so A focal point of you why you know, we all have our words. Mine is overcome yours obviously became endurance so I would love to hear that because endurance has so many different meanings when you really get into it. We think about physical endurance and mental endurance emotional endurance all these different things the ability to withstand that tension under strain and you have lived that through some really really hard points in your life. Why is this word mean so much to you and how do you relate that to so many of the listeners that are Are out there. Yeah, you know, it's a great question because honestly before you ask me, I just you know, that's not a word that that I would have had come to mind until recently and I my faith is a big part of who I am and I realize there's that verse in the Bible that says treat your trials and tribulations with great joy because they will produce endurance and other things or something to that effect and I was thinking that's crap. You know that that you don't who's gonna treat their trials and tribulations with great joy and yet I'm at this point in my life. for this endurance word is like you said, it's something I didn't even hesitate with because I realized there's a long game to life that you know, I if you talk about fight-flight play dead, you know, I'm in the fight pretty quick and I've learned the beauty of endurance the long game and and letting yourself not be afraid of what's to come know that you can endure it and also when things aren't going as fast as I want or I'm not healing as fast fast as I want the endurance is what I need. I need to I need to know that this is you know, it's a longer game. It's a marathon. Amen. So, you know one of the things I mean, obviously we loved interject humor into the show and Andrei and I both talked about, you know, we knew Chris and and being married to Chris alone probably took some endurance. So because we know how we are I mean amazing. You're probably probably Just Tires people out. Well, the funny thing is is I you know, I know a lot of Team guys wives let me finish and I always ask him the same question. What's it like living with so and so and it's fun. Because they all say the same thing he is a major pain in the ass. So, you know people know Chris on this level of you know, he's a hero, he's American hero and I'm not taking anything away from him but daily life. I mean, I know he had his imperfections and there's got to be funny stories. I mean, so I want to be able to resonate with the audience and you know, what was it like, I mean was he a typical team guy pain in the ass? Did he get under your skin? I mean, I got me and my wife got into it yesterday and at Target and people thought we were arguing. And I was just picking on her. I mean because I am I'm annoying. So was he like that? Did you guys bicker? What was it? Like, okay. So, you know, it's really fascinating because you are right and that is a big part of the community, but I have to say, you know, I don't want to disappoint you guys but the thing I would say to Chris is it had to be you because you're the only one that could put up with me. Okay. So I was the handful probably a little bit more so but was the even a total prankster and he was funny he had this incredible. Bubble softness to him when it came to me and he wasn't he was a great cuddler. Oh, wait a minute. What's that supposed to have had? Sorry. What happened? Well, I did notice that when you were talking about him in the beginning. Did you realize you said and then she met her lovely husband Chris Kyle you actually called in lovely lovely realize that came out of your mouth. Well, that's because he is I mean I told you is a great cuddler. I mean, come on. He called me beautiful. He called me beautiful. Full yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, there's a soft side all of us. I mean Dakota Meyer posted a picture. Did you see the post that Dakota put up like yesterday him in Turkish? Yeah. That's a picture of Dakota holding a puppy and Marcus is like cuddling both Dakota and the puppy at the same time it both both excited me and frighten me astray did that Ray had like his little dog the other day like you put Instagram out on it. Yeah. Yeah. It said you have to let's be real for just a second. You have to be you have to be a a lover of Innocence to be a warrior and a fighter of evil. I don't think one can be the other unless you're a sociopath right? I agree. So I think that's the really big misconception of people that I think sometimes the more you're willing to fight and sacrifice your life for something the more you actually recognize the preciousness in is that a word preciousness? You just made it a word Webster's just added it to the dictionary in its endurance and preciousness. But you know, I think that you know, Chris loved puppies and he never hit a horse and you know, these things that are I've watched some people try to take on his Persona and represent who he is and it's almost comical to watch and sad really because I realized they actually don't know what it is because what they come off as is threatening and bravado and all these things. I think that's not it if you really know what you're doing. If you're really confident you really are a badass Warrior. You don't have time or desire for all that other crap. You know, who You are exactly you don't have to project that. I mean, I think some people have that image. I mean some of the most badass seals that I know I mean I can I want every just pointed out. Yeah, of course. I love you bro, but it wasn't I wasn't who I was thinking of so there there is a retired seal and you know this guy but he literally is probably one of the baddest-ass shields. I know he's married to anyways, I'll tell you off camera, but he is the nicest guy. Ever meet Chris came across that way when you hung out with him and that's one of the greatest things I loved. I don't know how you feel about the movie. We can talk about that and the way you know, Hollywood always takes different directions and you know, there's some things you like. Maybe there's some things you don't but I tell you for me as an outsider watching it as a guy who's watched a lot of seal movies that I don't like they Hollywood certain things up and things like that the thing I love the most about that movie is they showed The Human Side of who we are some of these Hollywood movies show this these Achilles Warriors, you know, they picture off his guys who are sitting in a dark room sharpen a knife. Like we're just praying that combat is going to come and that's just not the case. I mean, you nailed it with that side and I felt that way in the film. Yeah, and you know, it's interesting you say that I haven't shared this I don't think with anybody else. So this is exclusive to you. Why are you here on the chair on the converse show? Yep. Yep. It's that you're already getting into my the depths of my soul. But you know when we first met Jason Hall Is the writer of the American Sniper movie it was at a ranch and Chris was there and he just didn't have much to do with Hollywood and all that stuff. He never wrote the book because he wanted attention he wrote it because other people we're going to write about him and he thought if he did it, he could show his flaws and he could show the guys he served with right. It was very humble thing. So in this guy comes out saying he wants to do a movie. Chris is wasn't giving him much attention or anything and he the guy literally Jason who's a very good friend of mine now called his wife and said, I think I'm just gonna go home. This guy obviously wants nothing to do with this and at that time Kristin called and asked if I could bring the kids down to the ranch and so I walked up and he said the minute I saw him with you and the kids. I stopped. I text my wife and I said I'm going to stay because I saw there was more to this guy than was meeting. And yeah, and so that it's interesting and probably divinely orchestrated that they was able to see that right away. And that's where he knew the magic was. It wasn't just another Warrior. Nobody needed another Warrior movie. They needed to know Who's the warrior off and on the battlefield was that Dynamic like and what is the home life like in Chris? And I knew that the only value to doing this is represent the community. It's not wasn't really ever our story. It's all of our story. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's what's so important. I mean coming from this community oftentimes you have individuals who speak on behalf of the community and obviously, we're like wait a minute not everybody believes in that but to represent us as more than just Warriors. I think this one of the biggest things that I've tried to explain to people to make it relatable, you know your yes you were a seal and it is a critical component of who you are and it translates into your family and your kids grow up in this culture. But at the end of the day, you are still a member of a community and you are a father and a member of a church and and a husband and all these different things. We were all these different hats and I think that's what's so important to show and really I've coming full circle it is that long-term endurance of All the different strains you have on you as an individual whether it's a military wife or whether it's that Warrior. Yeah who has to find those different areas and be strong in all those areas, right? And you are damned to add to this. I'm going to give you another exclusive that I've never said, but you know while we're on that topic there is somebody I won't name names but this dude is like a caricature. Okay, and he has is monetized Chris's name. I've chosen not to fight it. He thinks he represents the community and so many people out in the world think oh this guy is really what it's about because they'll put on that kind of a show and it drives me nuts because you know, he's gotten, you know, quite a name or made quite a name and I think it's jumping off point was Chris and you know, this guy wouldn't even carry the casket right? He's gonna represent. I can't I can't put walk with the casket but not carry it and you know what? I didn't know why you know, there's there's a lot more to that. I won't get too into the weeds here, but there's nothing that pisses me off more than somebody that tries to be that I picture the Tune drawing all the character and I go that's that's disgusting because we're going to use all these things and act like you care, but you're not a Redman, right? You're not the guy that actually had the heart to get in there and roll up the sleeves and do something for people who look a little deeper and talk about what people are on a human level. Not just you know, this all this Warrior. I just want to see whether they believe it's the Persona that after project and because I've even had people tell me that they're like, hey Jay you knows. You should get out. You need to be more hard. You need to be more whatever and I'm like listen, man. That's not me. I can only be true to myself and this is who I am, you know, love me or like me. I'm going to represent me and you know what I believe in but spanking your the best to do it. I won't stay on this topic, but I do want to say this that's why you are one of the best to do it and that's why I think Chris was the best to do it because that's the majority of the guys. You just won't hear from them, right because they're humbly going about their business loving their family and doing the warrior job without having people have to see them in a certain way. So I think we need people like you to do that. So I have a question and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish I knew who we were talking about because I want to kick his ass, but I want to get back to the movie because there's something I've actually I wanted to ask you this one, you know, we actually met at Shot Show at a party a few years ago. You were surrounded by everybody and I want to ask you but what was the conversation you and Chris had when because I don't know how things work. This is how things work in my family. My wife is the brains of the operation and from I've I've met Chris before and bitch and again, I mean this in the in the most respectful way I can you seem like you're a very intelligent woman. You know, I'm like, I'll run through the wall. My wife is the kind of person that says you're through the door. My wife will go. Let me see if the door is open. So what was the conversation one that you had with Chris going over the thought process for the movie and to the question that everybody wants to know were you pleased with the movie? Yeah, it's a great. It's a great question. I was very pleased with the movie. I think that they hit on all the right things as far as the Warriors in general. They they were able to strike that note where you got to know Chris because Bradley portrayed him so beautifully and you were able to see what the life is like for all Warriors. So we've heard the most extraordinary stories of people coming out of that movie and reading the book and talking to their families where they had never talked before. So I think that was beautiful. I think Bradley got his humility. That some of his his like I said, so it's something about his face and the way he carried himself and he picked that up in such a way that people who know him well felt it was almost scary to watch it. And I think that that sets off I also think Bradley was really open to accessing the soul of Chris and and anything that you could receive from the other side, you know, he openly brought that in so I think that's cool. You know things didn't happen necessarily in the timeframe the same way because you can't do that in the movie. Yeah. And some of the things had to be condensed and so we have gained a little bit of the details because the feelings right because feelings were right and and we did the thing that's missing from the book and the movie and it has to be missing because there isn't time is the mischievous laughing part of Chris that was ever present. You did not see him without a twinkle in his eye and you didn't see him without him scheming to do some kind of prank like when you said being in the ass, I know I sidestepped to say I'm probably the pain in the ass, but you were asked For funny things they were constant and that's one of the things I miss the most is just laughter. I mean we did things like we were bit he brought the kid out and me and I needed that and we would do things with our kids and we know we're just rebellious and like naughty got him, you know, just laughing about things like I mean one night at dinner is my son was learning like Peck document or whatever and he remember what it was. It was some cuss word that we were using, you know, like we were given acronym and laugh and our butts off and did they teach you this or whatever and the kids are like Is it what is it? You know we're looking at each other who really shouldn't tell them what it is. Yeah, so make him promise not to use this our kids are like really mature, I guess because we had that part those two but I did have a funny story. I could tell you he's to take a minute to tell us no or Sunday. Yeah. Okay. So it's one of my favorites again. Not one I've ever shared publicly. So we had this bachelorette party for a friend of mine and we're having it at the house and put This is like listen, I'll let us before kids and he was I'll go downtown and hang out with some of the guys or whatever while you're doing that. It's okay. Great. So some things went down downtown that were not good and there were some Sirens, you know in the background and so he had to get out of town very quickly. And so he calls me and says babe. I'm sorry' like some stuff went down. I didn't anticipate I gotta I think I gotta go downtown any one of you know from the party. Was that okay if I come home like of course, it's her house someone home, but he felt very awkward about coming into this. Throw a party situation, right? So he came in a few of us were in sleeping bags. And what was then the office in the house and he was telling me what happened and I was like, oh that's fine and go to sleep. Whatever next morning we get up and that's it was on the second floor and the girls I could tell her waking up close and I go get coffee ready and I look at him and I said they just stay here just sleep and and I thought it was doing this big favor to let him sleep in and close the door we go downstairs. We have coffee about an hour goes by right. Right now and a half something. I was thinking usually he's up by now. I better go like check on him. Just see if you need anything. I walk up and the doors close so I can open the door. I walk in no Chris, but the window is open and the screen is gone right where in the heck is Chris right? And so I'm looking around it. Looks like he jumped out the window off the roof. I'm gone you guys have you seen him? No, no be seeing so I call him and I got any is like Hello like that right? Like where are you? I make I think it's Caroline's he goes over the cafe. Now, you're at the cafe. Yeah, why because I had to take a piss and get coffee and we never came back. I never came back at your house. What are you talking about? He was why I know I don't know if you guys are like dress or like, you know, and I know you mean like we're in g-strings having pillow fights like in the movies. Well, that's exactly Exactly what we picture when it's a bachelor party. I mean, that's what I think of. Yeah, I'm not going to nothing but feathers and lingerie. Yeah, literally what in his mind was happening and he didn't think it would be appropriate and he thought since I said just stay here and sleep that I was telling him don't come out because apparently were in like, you know, having the extension of her bachelorette party that's like my body downstairs or whatever. I just thought that was so him right is like that is trying to be innocent but also going to jump off the roof and we had just moved there. So he goes you might want to tell the neighbors because I'm pretty sure You're sleeping with somebody beside the crawl out. But there I was that severe I was story that's what the neighbors for so someday the neighbors are going to hear this story and they're going to go like oh for years. They thought so badly of you for all these years and now suddenly you're Halo is back pristine exactly. Something is I was a Yankee and so I never made friends with the neighbors and Chris was this other guy that made friends with everybody. So we did make friends with all the neighbors and we Tell him because obviously we want to really hold my back and he also was going down the road. He'd wave at everybody at says Texas, you know, Southern boy thing and there was a guy apparently that didn't way back ever and Chris thought I'm going to wave at you one way or another right? So this guy got the bird every time but he's waving his hand still but just with his middle finger up and I was like, seriously, you're doing that to her neighbor. He's like, yeah, I waved he was in way back. He's gonna get something that sounds like oh that was Chris, right? Just fine for me. Well speak speaking to neighbors. Let's let's jump into your brand new book because American Spirit is all about this idea of the greatness of America what Built America what into what it is and our neighbors the people that are all across this country. They're giving back and doing good things the neighbors that wave back to us not the ones hits home and you highlight 30 incredible people. So my first question is what led you to write this book. Book and then after that, what are the stories that stood out the most you what had the most impact on you? Okay. So those are great question. I think you can relate in your listeners can relate because you're obviously people who care about human interest stories, right? And what makes people tick. Well, I went out and I was doing speaking engagements. I was traveling the country with my kids and I was here people would just talk to me which I love and I'm curious by Nature so I would want them to and they tell me these stories about this. And these unique ways that they were giving back and I see the news and I think this is what people are telling us our country is about but this is not what our country is about. This is about what the loud minorities are saying the majority that are quieter are doing these amazing things at some point. I was talking to Jim DeFelice who wrote American Wife and American Sniper and I was saying, you know, it feels almost like I'm selfish or I should be ashamed if I don't share these stories because there have been healing to me and they inspire me and they tell me that the country is not so bad as what what we're hearing. So it was really that reason it was very altruistic. I know that good news doesn't often sell. I know that people love to hear anger. They love to hear chaos. I know that I could increase my following if I would get passionately Furious about things and I just won't do it because I've got to stay true to who I am and like we said endurance. I've got to have endurance for the right things and I've got to have endurance for the good things. And so I put out a book that is American Spirit. Because I believe that my faith is that God will get into the hands of the people who need it and there will be a ripple effect. I might not know it decided heaven, but somebody you know who needs this book is going to have it or somebody else is going to read it and they're going to say hey you need to read this story. I already had one example of a guy who he's a teenager and he was completing suicide because he was getting bullied and is equal does a fellow student who then told teacher and the teacher called me and was saying, you know, I'm thinking about reading. A spirit to show what it's like to have a hardship and what beauty can come out of it. And you know, I said you got to read the story about the principal who's in this book and his story started by being bullying and he's changed the world with thousands of kids. People don't want to leave his middle school because it's so amazing and that kid needed to know that the bullying could like you said, they had jumping off point as and he said get off the X this could be as X and this could be his thing. He since the next level so, you know, I really do believe in I'm not overseeing. I really do believe it - A vibe Change lives. You asked me what my favorite story is. I think that the cumulative effect is was my favorite because we purposely took a cross section of kids adults sports players, you know, the fellow players. There's musician Zac Brown. There's Jesse beams of famed for being a bad boy, but really turns out to donate a building to Catholic charity for homeless all based on his nana making sandwiches for people crossing through his backyard in Compton. I mean, it tells me I'm so many levels that I don't care who you are what you're doing in this world. When you do one right thing after another you have to have the faith that this is a long game and that those ripples will count. They will matter just as much as negative things. You know, we talked earlier about some frustrations that I've had and some people that I think are I've done two things that if they were exposed for be a big deal but Vengeance isn't mine. That's not the energy. I'm going to put into the world Vengeance in the Bible. It's not mine and I've had to practice that and that is taken tremendous endurance. It's also given me tremendous please. So to wrap that whole thought lineup American Spirit is a book that gives people peace in the in the long game. It shows people if you if you look for the opportunity the Beauty and the ashes you'll see that in my belief, it's Satan but not everybody in the book is a Believer. He'll make a move but God's always got him and Checkmate. It's a testing he makes a move and he goes Check known Gods like Checkmate mother, you know, he's got like he's got no, I'll turn that into good when you talk about a kid died. Dying at the end there to you guys. Like I got this. I'll turn that into good. I'll turn everything that Satan does something good. You just have to look for the opportunities that come to you there. And to me that that gives me the ability to live this life with a set of a kind of peace that I never would have had without those stories, you know, it's there's so much negativity in the world. I mean I talked about, you know, it is a choice. It's a choice to try and be positive and we have hard times and I'll be the first to admit I was I'm kind of Struggling with some things going on with us right now and but I'm driving forward and no matter what I mean. It was the one thing. I know I can do I will continue to push forward but we talk about that negative versus positive and that's what this book is about. It is about the positivity and I've stopped watching the national news because it's just so negative and there's your right right and it's in the world is bigger than the u.s. Politics like, why are we not talking about anything else in the world if people knew other countries were really like you would have a lot more to celebrate, but we're so busy. He being angry with each other. It's like being a family that's just fighting all the time not realizing that right outside their door are you know, true slums and true problems inside they're fighting about you know, the pink color something not that our problems are important they are but there are other ways to go about it. We don't just need to legislate other people into doing what we want. We need to actually give some more freedom like, you know, I know people that are you know, they're anti-abortion. Okay. So if they are they could spend all their time fighting laws with everybody else believe It's the way they did or they can do it. They're doing which is they form a Pregnancy Crisis Center and they put it up next to places that people are getting abortions so that they can reach out touch a human life help them in a really positive way. If we would do that more than legislate. I think we'd be in a better better situation. So to speaking of choosing that positivity and trying to eliminate that negativity the politics all of that. I have a pretty deep question and that the question it's about the young man who took Chris's life and and and you know, No, I will never forget where I was. I was actually in Montana and I don't know if you know this or not or if you remember this. I was actually flying to Texas to meet Chris on Wednesday. We were we were coming down and he was going to we had had a gun built and Chris was going to shoot it for me and then we were going to auction that off and then we were also talking some about speaking and all these different things and and I got the call and that young man in the decision. He made you know this her. fake decision How have you handled that and and have you forgiven that individual? I mean that's a really hard concept and there are a lot of people that would say, you know, they would not bat an eye looking at you if you hadn't but how do you look at that now? No, I you know, I mean, they're really deep great questions. And I think the first thing that I deal with is I need people to know that psychiatrists on the prosecution and defense said he did not have PTSD nor did he have a traumatic event in his life? I think that's important because people who legitimately have PTSD Do not need that label that they don't deserve which is that it permanent murder. It doesn't flat-out. It does not make somebody murder and story on that but he did choose evil and he is paying the price only as a consequence and I went through a lot believe it or not. You know, my road to understanding forgiveness came from other people who I thought were friends who were supporters or family who ended up handling grief and pain in a way. That was out to destroy me and I couldn't understand that because that's not the way I grieve and it's not the way I believe so I started to look and really I remember sitting in the back of my church crying and as to my pastor because he's talking about pouring it all out and alter and I said talk to me about forgiveness because I feel like I need to forgive some people have hurt me really really badly and I don't know how to do that and still not be continuously abused and he said he said tell you have to understand question. Before long a lot of time with forgiveness forgiveness. It means you're you're not going to carry it with you, but it doesn't mean that you put yourself in the line of fire again, right? So having said that how that would apply the murderer is I can forgive him and still expect me to stay in prison for the rest of his life. It doesn't mean that I forgive and all is well and you get to come out and you didn't hurt me it so he gave an example in the Bible is you know, the guys that God gave them this great house and they chose to wander for 40 years. I mean, I'm super paraphrasing. Here, but when they said got it, we forgive us. He said my child. I forgave you the moment you did it, but that doesn't mean you get to go back where I was in the place. I originally had for you, right? So for a long time many many years people would ask if I forgiven the murderer and I would say I don't know that I've gotten that far but I've forgiven the other people of hurt me. I just do that happened in my life and I was just recently thinking honestly in the last couple months. Could I get to the point where I said I've forgiven the murderer and I think the only place I've gotten to is to say I don't care. With me, I don't carry unforgiveness. I don't carry forgiveness. I just don't let him be I don't want to have a part in my in my mind or my spirit but I will say this I do believe that he has a chance to go to heaven like anybody else. I do believe that no matter your crime. God loves you and wants you to come home and he wants you to accept him and feels love. I hope that he gets redemption in prison. I hope they find that if he hasn't already, you know, that's not my deal with him part of my faith means huge part of this life is me letting go and realizing that those are not mine. That's not mine to judge. I mean, it's I can't say judge because obviously I judge. I mean, I know what he did was, you know, yeah, but his time will come I mean that's reality. Yeah. Yeah, it's not mine to figure out the punishment other than to testify and want him locked up in prison. And you know, I've come a long way because in the beginning I asked the Rangers. Well, I think this is something I've said publicly before either but did you know within the first few days of first time I met the Rangers I said I had to Going in my face, and I said I know you probably can't but I'm asking you to let him out into general population. I wanted to pay and I want it hurt and I wanted to suffer and I want these other prisoners who are patriotic to you know, take out all their anger on him. That's what I wanted. And you know, I knew it wasn't probably possible. But I just wanted to know if somebody, you know, accidentally let him out or accidentally misplaced him. I was good with it. But but you know, I I know that he's in prison for the rest of his life. I know that the state of Texas is never gonna let him out. That's where he belongs because his crime was atrocious and it you know it almost and almost killed me too. And it you know, Chad's family is not a you know, nobody's the same and and the world missed out, you know, but we're doing our best to keep Chris's Legacy and his Spirit Alive so they can take his body but not his Spirit. Hey I have you or do you ever plan on speaking with this individual confronting them on what happened? No, and you know it is that's it. That's the question. If anybody else has ever asked me either I didn't confront him in the courtroom and I don't intend to ever do that. I don't know where God will take me or move me, but I've not seen remorse from him. I've seen calculated cold. I can't even even in the trial. It was nothing that even looks to me in my opinion human about. I mean, they showed pictures of Chris and Chad know with the autopsy and I remember looking Looking and thinking he has nothing. He has no soul. I mean it was horrifying to me. Well, I'm son of that no, no you're good. But that's just why I just think there's no place for me too. I mean what I've seen from a parent are they still want to blame it on something else. They still want to act like there's an excuse and I don't see any reason there's nobody that's there's there's no value then for that type of mentality even waste my time and well and the thing is there is Evil in this world. I mean, you know, there are a lot of very idealistic people who you know think that you know, if we wrapped our around arms around this kid long enough or even you know, Muslim extremists long enough that we're going to win them over we can hug them to goodness and it ain't going to happen. I hate to tell you people there is evil in this world, you know, whatever religious belief you have. I am a Christian, I believe Satan gets in the minds of people and there's evil and that kid may never turn back from what he did and I think you saw that So, all right. I'm going to flip this around. I'm going to flip this around we're going to bring this back up. So Tara, you told a story at the beginning about how you know, you have a good sense of humor. You love having fun and you talked about how Jimmy Fallon turns you down. So we tried to get on the Jimmy Fallon show and they were afraid they were like, oh God, we can't do that. We can't have an amazing American Icon, you know that the wife of Chris Kyle to come on and be funny. We don't know how to do that. So I think we can do that here. What do you think? I think we can we can we do that we could do this. I have an idea for a little bit of a game show a little bit of a game show. And if this doesn't work, we can totally cut it out, but I figured so what so today if you're ready for this. I'm going to call this game humorous creative opposites. Okay, so I'm going to give you some serious words and you have to counter back with the most creative. Humor is opposite you can think of in that moment. Okay. You want to try this? Don't try this. We're going to try this great. You have any ideas you have any serious ideas Ryan you can play into this. Also. I don't use thinking I don't use big words so you don't have to be big Huckabee me. Yeah, I could be me. I'm gonna just shut up and listen to the to smart people go. All right, the first word is accountant. It's very serious word post-tax day accountants and you want to create a funny word. I was gonna tell you something. I was gonna give you a warning shot that like a lot of my humor in the stuff comes comes to some sort of like 12 year old boy juvenile sexual joke. Okay. Well perfect then I've been them all down roll to the next one. I'll roll to the Nationals got my teddy Washington Washington Monument. It's just that one right over here. All right, we're gonna didn't okay. Big dick is like hey TW the president of our country I'd say he swung a big stick its yeah, I should have said is rock hard when you said that because that's even better. That's even better. I tried conquer and look what we got conquer conquer. I got from conquer to conquer that one wins. All right, all I'm saying all the way. I was thinking of talking a revolver. What were you thinking of right? I was thinking of cocking a Bathtub, right, right. That's it. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'm actually bless you. So raise good at laying the caulk. All right. Well Jimmy Fallon, I think you missed out. But all right. We'll listen. I feel like I let you down. No, it's not at all what I was thinking. See who else can get this out of mistake, huh? Hey, man, I'm just trying I'm just trying to bring a little fun into the what were you thinking when you came up the word account? And I don't know I It's just I totally did this on the front line. Next time. I gotta figure this out a little sooner. I'm sorry out and I was like, yeah, I'm thinking of like that flick in a movie, you know. Yeah. It's like known as the driest people ever to you know, that was a that was a tough word. Well C, so then so then so it should have been it should have been KY should have been the counter the KY to counter the driest people. You're right. Okay. See that's I just now I'm out. You know what that game was created on the fly. So I'm figuring it out the same as you are. So let's try one. I'll try one. Let's see if we can get this you ready to how about Venture capitalism. Okay, we need to come up with something better than this prostitution Lord. How about deep? Hole deep hole po actually was digging a hole in the backyard. I'm thinking of a give me something capital is there now like, you know that movie Wall Street and all of that right? Like it's cocaine and hookers, right? All right, we have definitely definitely we've lightened it up. I I'll show you that. I love it. So where they're selling their souls, which is another kind of prostitution. I don't know I can make it work. All right. All right. Sorry. I'm not gonna lie. That's that when they're. All right. Well tell ya, I don't know. I don't know. I tried I tried rock-hard was the best though. I gotta tell you rock-hard was the best you are a winner in my book. It talked about Washington's big stick. Yes. It's just edit that out and you'll just use Washington Monument rock hard exactly Ryan. You got to work your magic editor. We're just gonna leave it. I'm gonna work your magic. Jake let's go. So tell ya I did we just justify Jimmy Fallon's decision to not have me on though. No. No, not at all. What are you talking about games or like James Corden? We as a game where you have to truth or equivalence testing or you know, we can identify we could have done carpool. Karaoke. Can you sing? I mean, I can't sing at all I can can you Panner singer Gonna Change? I mean I could but I fucking sing ouch. Okay, so that's going to be another thing. You guys have to have like a Apple of stick things that you do we need to do a carpool karaoke. We should drive her up, I guess and they just have to sing like a verse. I love it. Alright a go ahead. Let's see. What is your fault? Let's see wait, wait wait, we need we need to what song we should pick the song for her to sing. Yeah. We need to make sure she knows in dirt. So you have to have me back on and you know, we will be like you are my sunshine my only sunshine you make me happy when skies are gray. You can be our first live guests. I love it. We can fly some areas and Kansas carry on my wayward son. Oh, that's a good one. Everybody knows that song Or Dust in the Wind Dust in the Wind of love it. So Tara since we've kind of gone down this road tell us what you know, you're out there you are advocating you're doing amazing things and we're going to touch on the Chris Kyle frog Foundation here in just a second, but you know, we're trying A little bit of fun. What do you like to do? Now, you know when you're not out there making a difference obviously things you want to do in your personal life and things you're doing in your family life. What does Taya Kyle like to do? You know what I really so it's a it's a little bit boring because I do the grind and all that but I really have a lot of fun every day and that's no joke with my kids. There's Larry so funny and I have a blast of them. But my thing that I am passionate about is travel man anytime. I'm I can go see a place I've never seen before I don't care if it's a road trip local. I don't care if it's a flight I freaking love to travel the world the country everywhere. I love to do that. Have you seen the Washington Monument? It's decided and so, you know, I try to stay away from it. It's like, you know, I told you it's like the people, you know, if you're starving all you think about is food. I got to stay away from the Washington Monument. So well awesome you are. Let's talk about the Chris Kyle frog Foundation because that that is definitely one of your passions from you were out there. You've written some incredible books that have given people a lot of inspiration and motivation. But you have now taken many of the lessons that you've learned in marriage and helping military and first responder families. And that is the focus of building stronger marriages through the Chris Kyle frog foundation and you guys are doing that through several of the different events and Programs you have date night out revitalization Retreats. So tell us about that. Yeah, you know, I will because I could go through the programs and people can find that online in there. They're fascinating they're unique but I think the bigger picture and probably what's more important for your audience to know and for you guys, you know, you guys can testify to the fact that marriages are in trouble with the first responder and Military Community veteran and active duty and what people don't realize is you want to fight PTSD you keep the marriage. Intact you want to fight suicide alcohol addiction drug addiction to keep the marriage intact because when you are somebody who's seen evil in this world, you need a safe place to come home to and if you and your spouse are in a good place then when the spouse is saying hey babe, I noticed something's not right. I noticed the VA is not taking care of you. You know, there's some other options. I've been researching to help with the PTSD if the marriage is good then the service members says, you know what you're right. We probably do need to do that. Marriage is not good. When they just feel mag and they isolate more it's the next generation of kids that you have their family intact. You don't military guys, they get station to a different state and they never see their kid again. I mean, there's a it's a crisis and I feel protective of this know, this is Vision that we have because I don't think people realize they they can put you know, somebody who's injured on a postcard you can put somebody with PTSD doesn't have a job people get that, but do they In the civilian world what this marriage means to the service Community if much more than it is in the civilian world because it's critical to their survival is critical to them being able to find the job and feeling supported when they get out. It's critical to them being better from PTSD. PTSD is not a life sentence that you do need somebody who's going to take you outside of the VA. You need somebody who's going to look at things like nutrition acupuncture EMDR AR T therapy. There's lots of ways to be better, but you need a partner. I've been traumatized to now. And I'll tell you what, I needed people who had an outside look at me because when you're in the trauma, you don't always know exactly how you're doing. If you're getting up every day, you think you're doing? Okay? Sometimes you need somebody to say. I mean, look it wasn't that long ago within the last year that I had stayed in one of my best girlfriends. I talk to every day and my that bad I have a really not come as far as I need to come and she had to give me the honest answer and you need extra help, you know, we need that loving partner to do that and I'm a woman and I have strong female relationship. So I have that but a lot of guys don't Yeah, they don't have that. So I have a question. I want to ask you one word. And then I'm going to kind of elaborate off of it Faith. Okay faith has been a strong foundation for you. You've brought it up on different levels and many times here for many, you know who have endured what you have done. They may have cut Faith out completely was your face strong before or did the event bring you even stronger to it? Yeah, you know what it did bring me stronger and and hindsight. I see this like the loving father, you know, you guys are fathers. And if your kid was gonna have an amputation and you knew it, what would you do you'd prepare them ahead of time the best you could write. You wouldn't just wait for them to get slammed. You would prepare them ahead you'd sit with them during and then you would be with them after and I look at God is that loving father where he gave Free Will that's his promise and the person who killed Chris and Dad used his free will to do evil God knew that was coming, but he prepared me in ways ahead of time that are so loving and kind by giving Chris my this amazing time before he died that was Gift unlike any other and helping us get there was amazing by showing me widows beforehand by letting Chris and me talked about like the negativity that was brought and the pain that was brought to all these families who lost loved ones God brought something beautiful through that by preparing us and allowing us to look at that from the outside and be there for them and consider things. You know, I had this horrible time adjusting when he was gone. I didn't want him gone. I was afraid I was ruled by fear, but during those times a deployment. I need that. God and I found a way out of the fear through him and you know, I was able to raise my kids when it was really really hard by myself when they from the time they were literally born and I with that game the strength and his ability to endure so that when the worst-hit amputation did come I could endure it I could keep going and I had some experience dealing with pain. I mean nothing will prepare me for the loss of him fully but I was as prepared as I possibly could me. And with that preparedness, I mean really a translates to the kids. How did you that's such a I had the honor of working with some of our gold star families after some of our incidents where we lost teammates and it just broke my heart to watch but helping them come along. How did you do that? You know one of the things you know Eric and I get asked that question a lot, but you know, and I know it's a process, but what have you done to keep? I'm grounded and to keep them understanding and unfortunately bad things sometimes happen. But you know, we can't just dwell on it. How do we how do you have you done that? Yeah, it's interesting. I think they were prepared to him some ways because we had friends die and we talked about evil from the time they were little he said evil exists, but they're in heaven. That's our belief. We're going to pray for them nor to pray for their families. And as young as they were, you know, we had the opportunity to to be very open with them and talk with them and then you know when When it was their time, obviously it was horrible. Chris was an amazing father and they took the hit in different ways and it's been a fascinating journey to see how my daughter reacted and how my son reacted how we came together not apart and how we each try to protect each other in different ways. And you know, I noticed that with faith and with prayer my kids are so strong spiritually and they have such a strong belief in In seeing their dad again on other side that you know, they're really happy healthy well-adjusted kids and you know, you said a good word about being grounded and that was important to Christen me when the book came out were like it doesn't matter who he is in the book it matters that you can pad and they haven't even seen the movie. I because truly their memories are the best part of him, which is Dad and father and for me husband, so they're just I think they're just naturally I don't, you know, all the celebrities or whatever that you meet. Those pictures aren't up in the house. That's not our Focus or pictures are of silly things and the things that we do together that matter grey we know we just keep it real and I think with all of that and especially our faith in God, we're good and we believe that if things happen like, you know, let's say we miss a flight or something. We just believe that it's God's protection. That's it. I mean it's where we don't let the little things bother us anymore. Yeah, it's real. I love that perspective. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what gives it to you. Yeah. It's like you said, you know, what a bad day is your family knows what a bad day is ya know it's there why get upset about the little things we all know what a bad day really is. Yeah. I try and tell people, you know bat a bad days to find a something. It's a life Ambush, you know to leave a mental physical or emotional scar on you, you know, so yeah you have hard days you have tough days. But you know, you reserve bad days for those major events, you know say tell ya and you have to know when the Ambush comes the God has the ability to bring something amazing through it. It doesn't mean you like it. It doesn't mean you asked for it. I think God wants you to go through it either but I think God says is this is a test and your team God. So what you do is you endure and you watch how I'm going to turn this into something that's going to be better for you just like you would do for your kids. If somebody came at them and Ambush them you would see them through it and then you would bring something better for them. You wouldn't just go out. That sucks. I'm sorry, you know. Yeah, no true statement. So today you become a role model for so many military wives and and and and single moms across the country who have lost a husband or a raise. Raising children on their own. So what would you say to the single moms that are out there who have lost a husband whether it's divorce or incident. What advice would you give them to drive forward and to give them hope? Yeah, I think that's a great question. And I think the truth is that you know, you have to just you do have to get up every day, but you have to give yourself Grace it's hard sometimes and sometimes you just need to sleep and I think sometimes when you're pushing hard all the time for me, the hardest part was giving myself a break sometimes and telling myself. It's okay if I sleep once in a while, you know, it's okay, if instead of having the dinner made and doing all this stuff, it's okay if we grab a burger, I mean, you know, there are things that that need to do this a were real and we're Newman and more importantly if you have kids, I think you have to prioritize quality time with them so that other things are going to slide they are period you know, I remember the longest time saying when I was a stay-at-home mom, I could do all these fun Pinterest see things for Halloween and I can get everything back related wool don't have the same amount of time now so different but what I what I need is I need my kids to another incredibly unconditionally loved and then he's no God if I do that then I'm good. So yeah, we may not have the house decorated for everything for Halloween. But if we want to have friends Over and so, you know celebrate our do whatever then I make time for the quality time. I guess nice. No that's great advice. So teh up if you could give people three piece of pieces of advice what advice and lessons would you share from your experiences? First and foremost I'd say pray and I don't care I don't care if you have no relationship with God. I don't care if you can believe it ask him. Just throw it out there got are you there? Can you show me and start a personal conversation? You don't have to be on your knees. You don't have to be interred. She just just reach out and find him and that's by far the most important advice. I can give to that will see you through absolutely everything and the other things I would say, you know would be go back to number one. Prey, but the other two things that I would say to people is Prepare yourself to endure because life will hit all of us in some way or another. Nobody gets out for free. Nobody gets out without pain. It's going to hit so just prepare to endure and know that you're there's there's always always always always light on the other side. That's American Spirit through and through there's always light on the other side and you just have to get up and try again. And the other thing I would say is learn learn some Grace with yourself with others and Just say you know life is hard have some compassion when other people are acting, you know, fool around you or doing things that are hurtful give him some Grace. They're obviously going through something. I wouldn't be proud of the way people are but if I were those people I would not be proud of it one day right when I look back. I'm not be proud of myself. So we have to have some some faith that that's there to carry in that ours. So I think yeah with with prayer be prepared a pre-prepared to endure and give yourself and other people around you some Grace because this is not easy for any of us. Really amen, and I actually think of all the guests we've had and if you know anything about me, I don't bullshit. That's probably the most powerful answer I've ever gotten from that question. I mean, seriously, I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, but I'm serious. No, I'm being serious, but I will remember that probably for the rest of my life. So I mean that that's yes ma'am. Amen. Well, that's a huge blessing for me to hear that. I'm so glad so today. We are rolling up on the end of the show and I think it's a it's a great. Time to kind of bring things back full circle you talked about that American Spirit is about that that Grace and about everything that you talked about to prepare for those hard moments prayer and all of it. So, you know, for those of you out there, you can find American Wife and American Spirit at all, your major bookstores. Can they get signed copies on your website? Yeah. I think if they go to Chris Kyle frog foundation.org they can email in and we'll tell him how to do it. Okay, perfect. So so And if they want to learn more about you or if they're interested in Booking you for speaking obviously from this podcast. We have all seen you are, you know, not only beautiful but you have great knowledge and wisdom to share you have endured and and shown people how they can do that. So they can go to tacklehead.com for that go by American Spirit and amazing book If you're looking for some positivity if you're looking for motivation and Inspiration Go by American Spirit you needed in this day and age with all that. That negativity and then if you are military law enforcement or a first responder, you are married and maybe you're struggling go check out the Chris Kyle frog Foundation Taya is representing she wants to help all of you out there to build strong resilient marriages. And if you've got Deep Pockets like Jimmy Fallon if you're listening to this Jimmy go make a donation at the Chris Cobb frog Foundation. Yeah, Jimmy, you know what Jimmy get off your ass and let's get her on your shirt Jimmy. What the hell Jimmy James Corbin tear clouds going to sing let's get this. No, I'm not I'll be monkey or singing and dancing monkey. Have her host SNL. Yeah. Yes, and I don't think they would touch me with a ten-foot pole would they? Wow, you have the right political views for that show anymore. All right guys, we'll listen. This has been Jay overcome show. Odd 17 and thank you guys for tuning in. Please share the show. We're really trying to grow our base and we those either listen love the show. So tell others about it. And if you love us go to iTunes go on there subscribe leave a five star review if you can cram an additional star make it a 6 star review make it Utah. Give me six leave a comment and share it with your friends. So as we always do As we always do we're going to close with our two minutes of motivation endurance has the word of the day you want who wants you want me to go to First go first. Alright. So here we go endurance the ability to thrive through massive amounts of pressure and strain when others would yield under the load you're able to keep pushing forward and I tell you what, there's so many of you out there right now. I actually I'm one of man. I'm going through a period right now where the strain is on me and I'm having a Just continue to push forward and I know I can do it is what I do, but sometimes you feel it and and Taya Kyle is such an amazing example of a person a woman a wife who has lost someone and under that strange. She stayed forward. She endured you can do it to it is about putting one foot in front of the other that is endurance. It is the overcome mindset. It is the Conqueror mindset and I will kick it to mr. Kerr very eloquent. Here we go guys. Life's hard, you're going to get knocked down. You're going to get kicked. You're going to get you're gonna get punched in the face. You've got to endure. It's a marathon. You've got to get up every damn day and you've got to power through things. All right, people are going to be dealing with hardships. It happens. It's part of life. You're never going to grow unless you know, you've got to push yourself mentally emotionally physically spiritually, whatever Italy there is but bottom line ladies and gentlemen, you're going to you're going to be faced with adversity. You're going to have to learn how to overcome it. And things are going to happen. So all I can say is is stay in the fight don't give up and live to fight another day. Now, I turn it over to the most beautiful to Echo in my dried you have minutes. Yeah, it's close it close it down to call you finish up finish strong. Yeah. I think that endurance is the one thing that we need to teach our kids from a time. They're really young. There's a lot of this mentality that we don't want our kids to suffer. We don't want them to hurt I get that but the truth is they are going to hurt they are going to suffer in their life. So when the All things come we need to train them up in this idea of endurance and we need to teach them what character is and how to keep going and not try to save them from everything because endurance is the thing every single person on this planet will need going forward. There's never a time. There's never decade in your life or you're not gonna have something you have to endure. Let's celebrate endurance. Let's push forward and teach our young how to do it and encourage the older to cover more people than we think do. I love it. I think you just became the master and I am really the n't shelves today. It is an honor to have you on thank you so much. Thank you so much buddy. Go follow her by American Spirit Go Get It by if that's an order and this has been the Jr. Overcome Show episode 17. I am Jason overcome Redmond, and I am Ray cash care and we are out boom. Thanks for listening to the Jr. Overcome show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes and SoundCloud. Please visit Jr. Overcome show.com. Hey, this is Ray cash care. Thanks for listening to Jay overcome show if you love the show, ladies and gentlemen, we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a five-star message. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Boom.

JR Overcome Show - Episode 17 - The Endurance of the American Spirit - Ray' Cash" Care and Jason "Overcome" Redman interview AMAZING wife of THE LEGEND Chris Kyle, Taya Kyle. Taya gives an INCREDIBLE Interview about life with Chris, raising kids and how she continued to OVERCOME after that devastating day. She talks about the word of the day ENDURANCE and how she has focused on setting the example for other Americans and her kids and how to be a strong woman, mother, Patriot and American. Taya tells some FIRST TIME stories about her thoughts on Chris's killer, people who exploit Chris's name, and a hysterical story about Chris and a bachelorette party. Taya also talks about her incredible newly released best selling book, American Spirit and her passion for helping military, first responders, and law enforcement families build stronger marriages through her non-profit the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation. This was an AMAZING Episode and you will not want to miss It! Taya closes by giving amazing insight into how you can have more resilience and endure with the word of the day, Endurance. . As Always we close with 2 Minutes of motivation - shotgunning our views on the Overcome Mindset & the word of the day and TAYA brings the house down with her MINUTE OF MOTIVATION! - Time to get your Conquer & Overcome on! Email us at connect@jrovercomeshow.com for comments, questions or just to sing our Awesome praises!

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This is crew cast what is going on crew heads Jason here with you and today it is all about the formation of Motley Crew. Of course, we all know as fans Nikki Sixx is very Motivated individual from early age and we'll talk about all the traumas things that he went through will be touching on it from his book the dirt and other resources, but let's just talk about January 17 1981 a young basis to course at the time in a band called London, but he wanted to do something much different and of course the reputation of Motley Crue grew to be known for the sex drugs and rock and roll and it was really no accident because that's what he was immersed in. Tin Nikki was in the use of substance working dead-end jobs as we know. Of course. He talks about in the dirt being a carpet cleaner where he'd put a bottle of water in say it was Scotchgard up sell it and charge more for that and things like that, but it was jamming with musicians in and around La course had the success with London, but didn't really take off and wasn't really what he wanted out of it and you know, London and interesting band that will touch on on some other point course Blackie Lawless a wasp Guns and Roses ID. East rattling both pre their bands that they got big with but Nikki Sixx 22 years old. Yeah wanted his own band is so mainly he decided he wasn't going to do it by anybody else's fucking rules, which isn't that what being a crew head is about it's a lot about not going by anybody else's rules. Well, he teamed up of course with Tommy Lee T-Bone T-Bones just he's wild all the time. He's is Sloughed he's fun. He's got a lot of energy if parties ever dying. He's the guy that brings it up and then guitarist Greg Leon and they had the band together sweet 19 Greg Leon soon. Quit the band six and lie, they had to find another guitarist. They hadn't really yet named the group. And so they searched through different ways of trying to find a guitarist. Of course at the time. There's a popular magazine called the recycler and that's where they happen upon a statement from a guitarist the ad now infamously. Loud rude aggressive guitar player available Tommy and Nikki met each other through a friend of their said they had both together and they found me through an ad in the paper loud rude and aggressive guitar player me after seeing the ad Mick Mars was asked to audition and then immediately join the band The interesting thing, of course that you may or may not know Mars and six they had met prior to this audition. Although they didn't get along very well at the time, of course at the time a Mick Mars. He's in a band and Nikki Sixx decided to get some $2 tequila shots at The Stone Pony six at the time was using speed and drinking when the two had their first encounter Mars looked at six who undoubtably, you know, just two different looking individual at the time, but they got to talking talking about what bands that they were in to of course make Mars being that he had much different influences than Nikki Sixx kind of just whatever with this fucking kid behind the counter. That Mick Mars did actually invite Nikki Sixx to come check out his band play at The Stone Pony. So when six got off work, he got drunk walked into where Mick Mars was playing in his band at the time and here's the infamous story that he told about it working. His liquor store. Mick came in and asked me, you know, if I was a musician when I said, yeah, and I said, I was like an Aerosmith and Ted Nugent us, you know, kiss stuff like that and has Opening back in like nineteen seventy nine seventy eight and Nick Nick was into like Bebop Deluxe bunch of weird Jazz Jeff Beck. So instantly we didn't get along instantly and I think he left the store told me to fuck off or something. You know, I swear to God, that's how we met and then that night he goes what you want to see a real guitar player come down to see me and playing this place called The Stone Pony and he was in a band called spiders and cowboys and I went in there and he was just Ripping on the guitar doing a slide guitar solo with the mic stand and everything blew me away. So I 1981 motley crew together MIT comes in and you know, he's auditions for the band. You know, we're playing together for God. I must have been a month and one day. I just like kind of I went are you that guy and he goes I thought you were that guy and we hated each other we met but now we're like best friends course after that chance encounter the two started hanging out talking and with Bass guitar and drums now locked down with Mick Mars in the band. They invited a singer simply named odine to front the band course after cutting demos, which if you watch the dirt movie that stuff isn't included in there. This is stuff that was kind of left out. Oh Dean got sacked. He just did an exchange for a singer that Tommy Lee knew in high school. Tommy Lee was a really behind a platinum blond in a rock band called rock candy and after watching him perform. They knew they'd found their lead singer. But Vince Neal wasn't immediately on board with it at all. He turned it down over and over but Tommy Lee was persistent persuaded Vince Neil to audition and they went down to the Starwood and saw me singing and when he got in contact with Neil the frontman mentioned his band screwed him over. So he agreed to do the audition then in April 1st 1981 with a girl that the rest of the guys would dub love. Ali and she proceeded to see if the band was the right fit for Vince they'll she didn't agree and he'll join the band which kind of we saw in the dirt movie they kind of painted the picture a little bit different. Of course, you got to fit a story in the 90 minutes and that's just the way it goes but Neil joined the group anyways in just minutes into rehearsal. Nikki was read writing lyrics to Suit his new singer's voice the first song they put together Live Wire, what's that did hit on in the dirt movie in that was fast. Sure. Well, they went on to the opening track off of their debut record. Of course Livewire was the quartet eventually landed on the name Motley Crue. It was suggested by Mick Mars, but there are seemed to be kind of a bit of a different story surrounding it and there was a course different iterations of the name before Motley Crew was landed on you said at one time you sit around all of his friends and someone comes in and goes isn't this a Motley looking crew and he goes, well, that's that's kind of cool. So I wrote it down but we were going to call the bank Christmas because your badges hi, I'm Christmas. All right. Well, so that was Vince's take a course on where the name Motley Crew came on. And could you imagine if they had named The Band Christmas and the bass player for Christmas Nikki Sixx and Mick might know it just wouldn't work being the band called Christmas and things like that. Thank fucking god. They didn't do that. Right? Well with the band's being dubbed a Motley looking. Crew by an individual they decide to do a couple of different adjustments course Vince Neil talks about sitting around and they're drinking some beer and so from their course the band put the omelets in it. That was a two dots over the oh and the you and Motley and crew and over the course of the next three decades. Of course, one of the biggest bands in the world selling in excess of 100 million records with five Studio albums going Platinum some of them several times over and their reputation was a tour managers literally. At their worst nightmare all together and as they unseated any band before them who had previously laid claim to being the baddest group and rock and roll Motley Crew of course went on to the total overall Fame and infamy. So, you know, it is such a fitting thing that the band was dubbed Motley Crew. Of course, you got this platinum blonde looking dude kind of a beach going guy and I think the beginning of the video for home sweet home plays it up. So well where Vince is out at the beach Tommy's in Jazz club, Mick Mars is in what looks like this. Demon is dungeon, you know Nikki Sixx is hanging out with people at the party and it just so truly is I mean Vince Neil from his background, you know where he came from course, you know things will touch on even being a father at a young age kind of being this teetotal glamorous blonde guy to front these three other dark ominous looking figures, you know, Mick Mars, of course a guy that you know had these this health issue way on much older than the other guys in the band and was was kind of like that father figure and I think definitely kind of played that for Nicky throughout and I think that's in a weird way how Nikki kind of views him as that big brother that was there for him that he never had in a way and of course Tommy Lee the kid we sometimes forget Tommy Lee has never ever ever had a real job. He went from doing this from high school into this band and all the other things he done it and it's what he's done. And of course, you know, Tommy Lee's story is also interesting with the father that was in the military. Your mom from Greece they hardly were able to communicate but they are so deeply in love which probably why he's got a kind of that soft side of him that he's really in the times that I met Tommy Lee such a kind and loving individual totally enthusiastic and interesting thing about him gives you 100% of his attention. Whereas Mick Mars, you know, what this tour pending really doesn't give a shit about his health matters. His thing is, you know, he's known for a long time and doctors probably told him way back when we don't know how long of a lifespan you Got with this. So for him it's about getting up there and doing what he does. And of course Nikki, I think where he's at now in life becoming a father once again, you know a lovely family is getting out there on the road. And this thing that was The Angst from him from childhood that it's still getting that out and it's cathartic for him and therapeutic and of course Vince Neil, you know, no matter what you say what you have an opinion on where he's at now. I totally have the faith that he is getting in 100% shape. Condition to go out and kick ass on this tour with Def Leppard poison and Joan Jett and the Blackhearts that he is a fully committed individual and he just is one of those people that he gets up there that that Charisma that Mick MRSA. The one in Mick Mars said I don't care if he can sing a note that's our guy and so the Inception of Motley Crue. Yeah 1981 was when it started and they never looked back since January 17th 1981 with those Starry Eyes. Eyes, so lots of great more Tales to tell here on crew cast course if you have yet to subscribe make sure you do. So Apple podcast Google play Spotify and wherever you get your podcast and then follow us on social media. It's a crew cast on Facebook Instagram and Twitter and go there tell a friend spread the word. I'm going to have some contest coming up where I'm going to be giving away a Motley Crew merchandise on there and so much more. So thank you guys for listening crew heads our best. Fuck the rest.

On this Episode of Crue Cast,  January 17th of 1981 Nikki Sixx started Mötley Crüe . Here is a brief history of the band members meeting and how the infamous band connected to sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll got started! From meeting in a liqueur store, to one band member not being interested in the band as well as the infamous story of a loud, rude and aggressive guitar player! Mötley Crüe acquired the masters of their first seven albums after their split with Elektra Records in 1997. The price they paid for the success now might seem like chump change, but it was a very real risk with a lot of money.

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It's nice and mellow he's going to be on the beach right now. Yeah, I'm 34. Here we come. Everybody Welcome to AfterBuzz TV traveler show for the challenge for the world. I'm so excited to talk tonight's episode. This final was so good. It was so intense. It was so grueling was beautiful. It was Scenic. We're going to dive into everything. I'm so excited to hear. Everybody's thoughts great episode great winner. We got it all going. My name is Jenna bussiere. I almost said Jenna underscore bussiere. Again. Thanks everybody for tuning in. Thanks so much with people the live chat. We see you. We see that's a lot of you stayed up till 1:30 a.m. Crying so Colleen. Thank you so much for your see you don't even worry about it and stay up late stay up late. You know, forget what you gotta do tomorrow the challenge. This final is more important. We got the full gang here tonight. This panel is alive. We got David Christopher the back end Pamela grosses Hill is here. She's on the hill. She's on the Sand Dune family grosses Hill and we got the Dan langran up in here. Here hashtag Disney. Danwoah final so good. Yeah overall thoughts. Oh boy. I thought it was amazing. No, honestly, I think I mean that was crazy. Definitely. The grueling is final if that's even a word that I've ever seen. It was brutal some parts right or even told you I was like, this is just mean like you felt bad and it was just one thing after another and in my opinion I felt when they all deserve to win each get a million dollars. I thought they deserved it. You know, of course was written for Turbo so I'm super stoked. One I got so much heart integrity and just everything that I look for, you know, when a competitor and he's just awesome super awesome, but it was crazy. You know some of those things like you seemed like Hunter that was a bummer to see Hunter quit and you know, but I would even say it's quitting. Yeah, he was just so it's not quitting but you know, that was he he literally could not walk anymore that's different when you cannot like walnuts gracious David David, And was hallucinating and Hunter are basically the same exact thing and you buddy said last week that we couldn't walk anymore. His legs are cramping up like he can walk. That's right. So Maddie just like I can't continue anymore. Like that's that's how I took it turbo said he couldn't feel his left leg tonight and win that's my Turbo one turbos going. Great. That's why you want but Hunter quit. Okay. Well, I mean it's okay to bait too much. Yeah Pam and Dan's overall thoughts overall. I agree. This was so hard from start to finish that it was like an episode of Black Mirror. I kind of felt like it was gonna be like and just one more lap from TJ and tell everyone just died in the last person would just keep going forever. Yeah. It was I was a really grueling asked I agree. It was crazy and we were all discussing. I don't want to Up too much ahead, but turbos move which ultimately I think gave him the way and I've not choosing not to eat anything. We were like that's chocolate need a banana, but I think he was really smart and I was rooting for Cara Maria. But if anyone other than her one, I was happy for who the winner was. Yeah with that said about turbo though, if he had one banana just think how fast he would have finished even write faster than everybody. All right, but uh, yeah overall if this is all about turbo guys everything he said tonight. I mean they did the day those producers. Ran that turbo storyline into the ground, you know what I wanted them to go deeper because I freaking loved everything. He said it was amazing. It was about the O2 though so much prosody. I was so much props to Wes and I was telling Dan that's before. So a lot of these people are highly trained conditioned athletes and this is their lifestyle. So for somebody like Theo who was an Olympic Athlete and somebody even like a poly who was a really good athlete and his life revolves around working out. I'm not sure what his day job is I honestly just all you see this guy do is work out her less owns his own business, right? He works a day job. He has a company has a wife. He's starting a family as a kid. So for West to be able to be on the same level as the rest of these people endurance wise the competition wins your Warrior Ninja Warrior exactly turbo and Wes right. It's like a Ginger from Camp exactly. So that was I was sitting here thinking like we know Wes has been around the block. This is not his first rodeo. We know he's experience, but for him to be in this grueling of it. College and keep up with them. Athletically. I was like, wow this really speaks to yeah, he is after four years of not being on the show. So I think he held it down healed his own Cara was winning me over again this episode because I've gone back and forth with her the last few seasons, but I did feel really sad when she plopped and she lost it was It was kind of crushing like a little sad puppy. Oh, so Cara after she won the last season alone. It was like do it for the women Cara but I will say was about Theo as well and how incredible he did and I was so so sad and scared when it came down to that final law that was actually like almost shaking and are like about to cry your eyes out because I felt so bad for him because he killed this challenge. Yes, turbo degree. Yes West agree, but Theo that entire first leg like this was his to lose and win if he didn't get that lock. I'm like that really is just such a blow. Yeah to the heart to everything. Also this challenge that I thought this was scenically beautiful. You don't think so. No, it was like dancer desert. But once I got my water it was nice. But to me it made me realize like how big the world is. Do you see just the vastness of the Sand Dune on Sand Dunes and I felt like West did when he was like I wanted them to open up the truck and like we'd see a rainforest where I like as far as the eye can see Sand Dune and remind me of Star Wars. I mean, I don't know. I thought it was pretty cool. I've never been anywhere like that. So for me, I was like, wow this almost feels like a movie scene or something like it looked like For a second that they were in front of a green screen. Have you ever driven down here to Vegas and cry just hop out of the car wash in the desert in Israel? I don't know. I like I like water so desert is actually hellacious for me. My most unseen a Kenny thing with water ocean. Lay anyway, no, I was like it's pretty it's awful. It was just literally Brown as far as the eye can see it was just like the how what's the term this Cinema? Like I said, maybe you just felt like okay. I don't know I get it like kind of cinematically we could look cool with the zoom out here doing some beers in the girls. I thought it was really cool and interesting to see them look like ants in like they were her own separate Planet. I mean it put it in perspective like this is incredible to see sorry sis is of no. No, I'm interrupting to say something super random Chuck Williams rights in Jenna is so beautiful. It's I don't like walking to the ocean like in Santa Monica where the beach is really Long Beach that when it was like it's just a five-mile Sprint to the end then it's like oh my God these poor people have they not been through enough. That's why I was a bum. It seems that they are feed we watch a recording. It was a little glitchy. So we missed some spots here and there we're like wait, wait, wait, wait, they were just on the Sand Dune now. They're back in the Ping Locker going somewhere else. Like you said Pam. It was one thing after the next. Oh, you know you just ran what was it total 40 miles or something? And then now you have another five miles with math equations along the way. All right, we're gonna get into all the specifics. So, how about We Jump Right In. How's that sound? Yeah start from the top of it start from the top. So we end on a cliffhanger so last week we see that there's going to be a tribunal in a challenge or a final for the first time ever. And it's Theo turbo and Wes up there and they get to pick between Cara hunter or ninja Thea was first up. He picks Hunter because he says there's no fight left in this guy and Cara's obviously is a lie, and I feel like it's really tight and Friends of ninja West Coast Cara even though she's a vet and he could Easily said a rookie for ninja and turbo instead of calling out ninja who's he who he personally has had problems with he goes home to her. What did you guys think about Hunter being the guy chosen to go in I was surprised I thought why get rid of him if he is that everyone was like I'm picking him because he doesn't have anything left in him, which great let him face himself out. Why don't you get rid of one of the two competitors that sells some fight in them, but I guess it worked out. Yeah, super random. I mean I picked them to pick hunter. Well, I picked it because I thought Hunter had more left in him. But like as soon as he's getting picked, he's like coming up with a laundry list of why they elements and injuries that he has some like oh wait Hunter actually has nothing left. Yeah. I was I want to know how long that that dog walk was it look like it was to meet ya and he was like, I'm done in last at all. Yeah, that sucks. That's the thing too. I thought like you Dan. I thought Hunter had a lot more in him. It was such a bummer. Like I was pretty bummed to see him just kind of tap out at that point, you know, and I think it was obvious to he's like, they said he You know, they knew obviously that he was done for so get him out of there. But I agree. I think it would have been smart if that's how you felt keep him around make the rest of it a little girls. Are you think right but I felt like, you know, obviously they're going to call a hunter because I think they just want to get rid of someone. So I was so surprised by this as well exactly what you guys are saying hitting the nail on the head. Why are you going to throw somebody into an elimination to leave the challenge when they're already defeated, right? Oh, this guy is not going to last might as well get rid of him know those three people you want in the final get rid of someone that's still strong. I guess maybe they wanted or they all just being nice this season. We see that turbo is the Lyon and he is only on for everybody and it's its Integrity first with turbo, which maybe wouldn't be my style of play. But God bless him. He's an angel on Earth. However, why would you you want to win that money? Are they trying to maybe set somebody else who's more deserving to win the money in the in the position to do it? Like maybe get rid of Hunter because Hunter will lose in the final anyway. But if you get rid of ninja and she loses in the elimination that sucks because she actually got a good chance to win that money. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know why where their logic was except that maybe and I might be wrong. I feel like guys feel like they're playing against guys and girls feel like they're playing against girls. So maybe they just felt like we've earned this he hasn't let's eliminate him. I mean, it looks good. Let's look at this way. Theo's friends with car and probably ninja little bit. He'll throw Hunter. In West had to stay with Hunter and he did he did his thing. We didn't have to walk in. That was his boy and then turbo. Yeah, he could have really gone ninja after that whole thing. But you know, what at the same time maybe turbo thought there might be some like strength things in the next round. He's like I'll get rid of Hunter so I don't have to worry about the straight thing. And you know, what turbos a gentleman and is he going to pick the two ladies? He gave the gut the guys more food that time too. So there you go. That might be why he went with that is a very good excellent of them thoughts on this actual elimination. Really hard after everything they had. It could have been really cool if they lasted longer right? I mean, I think personally it was it was mess it was mean is just me they were already dead. There are so done for you. I mean, it's just like how we said hello. Here's one more thing right at the end. You know, I mean, it's like you can't blame any of them for just being like dude I'm done. But at the same time it's just like again to be that far and to have that they want you to be those two people that have to like still do that to keep going. It's not was moderately gentle considering what they've been through and how do you be you know, Here's what kind of here's what I was thinking was going to happen. If they lasted long enough every five minutes, you put five more miles per hour on that hog, you got in that truck and it's then that can eliminate a more quick and somewhat entertaining seeing Hunter struggled trying to keep up with this. I live in funny and entertaining and a little more better than a walking. Yeah. Do you think that the Rope was Heavy? Yeah. Yeah sure. It was fairly but I think what you guys are not understand he's I don't know. I mean you work a lot you work out a lot. I mean like when you get to that point of exhaustion like you're cramping your style like your legs, like have you ever just like ran so much or done some kind of obstacle to her and you know next day you wake up and you're just it's hurts to walk like your body's at that point. Yeah, just walking man is enough because they've already been walking and running all day all day in the sun you dreamed. It's just like that that's enough, you know, and then that's just cruel if you speed up and then you gotta hold on. Exactly. I agree. I agree but that's that's hard shows how strong ninja is and she just has it all comes to your down to your mentality in your Poker Face to you know, how they kind of say in yoga. It's like relax your face, relax your breathing. If you can kind of fool yourself, then your you can feel your body sort of thing and maybe that was Ninja strategy because she's cool calm and collected and this probably sucks for her to let's not forget. You almost died bless the first leg last episode of The Challenge or the finale. But she seems like her poker face is so strong and she seems like she's just she's in it. Yeah, no matter what how hard it is. Yeah. I love you brought up, you know us working out because I do want to let you guys know you're going to want to stick around this entire recap because we always talk Colleen were making it worth it for you Hollywood. We always talk about how these people perform as if we could do it. We probably know deep down inside we can't do it, but we try and we have a special segment. So for you guys later of us run in a final. Yep, so stick with us and see who our AfterBuzz final winner is and you won't be disappointed. Let's move on. Well, if the first actually starting at 1 I want to ask you guys are you disappointed in Hunter? I was disappointed about that final you're just talking about who won that I don't see the point in that I bet you those producers for sure. I'm disappointed for Hunter. I feel like like he got not I feel like he did get first off the wrist one. He always comes so close and then he got the money stolen when he won and then to get this close and have gone through that awful day something. That's why I was rats why I was rooting for right? Yeah. I want to see Hunter take home some money. So it sucks. I'm not disappointed in him. I just feel bad for him. I mean, even if you could have pulled off third place we find out who gets 50k. I mean Hello, I'll take 50. Yeah. Let's see what finish right that's and finished a I mean I know. Make up for the what are you lose last time a million or a million half a mil again the most forgiving I'll ever be for anybody quitting in a challenge or final because this just looked god-awful and I couldn't I can't imagine what it would be like to be them going through this. Yeah. It is interesting to see Hunter do it because he does always speak about never quitting and it's always hard that's going to get him through anything. Right and then he drops quickly. He drops in three. Well how I applied need to find out how long they I actually did it for Sano with editing. But you knew going into this Hunter he was he quit before he even got it. He was just thinking about not doing it and then he had that one season where he ran through walls with like a broken arm and stuff. But we have to remember that was all like that was all strength stuff. That was none of that was endurance and that's really where he what he needs to work doesn't need to work on that. It's a mentality. Like you said Jen that's what it really comes down to and that's season his mentality was was different though. He was just like when razor sharp Focus like I'm running Dad. It was elimination. The challenges that he could be announced that it comes down to. Yeah, so and that's that's what was he like you said June. He already checked out before it started. So at that point, it's we do have to say and Hunters defense. He did run like 25 miles that - so his endurance is still a little better than you know, a lot of people's yep. All right. So we're gonna be moving on they get back in this pain Locker. They go do trivia. They go do bad of all we got a lot of final coming up again. We already mentioned. We appreciate you guys so much for sticking up late for us or Dan has a message for you. Yeah. Thanks for making us. Us the ESPN of TV talk guys, you know, give us a thumbs up subscribe maybe write us a nice comment, which you guys are ready tonight. We love that five star rating on iTunes. We also like that AfterBuzz means the world to us. We've been pumped to be here for season 33 with you guys. So please hang out with us for the rest of the night and leave us a comment below. Thanks guys. So let's move on to trivia question because they get there and I'm pumped. Because we barely saw any trivia this season and I love it. And I love feeling as though there's other people in the world who know just as little as I do. So this is nice and they get that one question. What is the longest or largest river in the world? And Cara? You think that she's dead wrong right are is the only one who steps into the sand pit that's has a be in it. And then Wes Theo turbo everyone else who are from all different worlds, right following wet like car did that and then they don't all waited to see what West did everyone just thinks Wes is the smartest. So Cara wouldn't be and Wes went in a and then everybody else didn't a I was hoping to see a few more questions to ask. So that's what I mean. I'm shocked that West was wrong. First off. I don't know if car was guessing but I said Maya I was like, I think it's denial It came it was multiple choice and they said basically always choose be So car was smart and that situation I probably would've just chose be because of that movie because it was it. I think it's summer school and the guys I'd be like, it's just wasn't you and I graduated I passed but yeah, so again, so this is why it's like trivia maybe because teachers like all right, Cara, you're the winner. Let's keep going. We're like wait what the hell the right trivia portion. You really gave them one question and you didn't even bother. And it was like now I'm good. Like I don't know Rivers very well. So just leave she got she didn't pick one. That's wasted. She showed up. Yeah, so dumb you get a boat. It's like wasn't burpees or something. Yeah, she got like time at it. Well, she lost ultimately so whatever but I mean, oh no winners that's interesting that she'd even try because what if she just went with car then they could have another round and maybe she would got that mile. That's probably what it happened around. Yeah, if they're my no, I'm just saying like damn she could have been to get it done so much you could have maybe His third that we're moving in the past. Yeah, so there's our fun trivia portion and then but Cara as the winner so she gets to go on this like Dune ride, which is a great benefit because it cuts out entire mile. Yeah through he'll talk about the death run. This is the Dune death run from hell, but she also looks like shows the ride from Hell on this Dune thing because this thing is whipping around it's like, what are those rides on? Amusement parks tilt the world looks like they're going to put her on some it's going to make her want to puke after this ride, but she gets a head start. She gets to the second checkpoint and this basically connect for but it sucks. You can't catch a break. She gets a break for not having to go through all this run you got to rest she gets arrested and she keeps going to benefit a lot from that not having to go through that grueling run but she gets there and she just has to wait for somebody else to get them to play a guitar which sucks. This reminded me of that Vendetta's final that we love so much. Where they all got to this one checkpoint and they just had to wait for somebody else to come play a game. What is the point? I don't know. It's stupid. It's I guess it's trying to level things out just that must be just give them something individual again. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. I think they want to level the playing field because if car was able to just continue, you know what I mean? They had to make it. I don't know. Well, it's then we'll get a check. Yeah, which I think was ridiculous to but yeah, I think you guys want to talk about running. I gather these sand dunes that look so sure it's I mean running in thick sand like that. You're not moving properly your body. It's awful. Well Wes said it perfectly he was like, this is the amalgamation of like running walking hiking and all this awful other things like just terrible that you your body's not used to you can't practice that you can't unless your turbo and you'll I mean like I don't know how you're like running double shape for that like how you can like one mile becomes two miles because you're kind of just running in place almost and then you're Yourself going. Yeah, of course everything any of them again kudos to all of them because That was can you imagine like Ashley cries when she's a sock isn't in her luggage and threatens to go home. Like can you imagine some of the other competitors doing? That's a good point because so many people in this competition. So it's West and car who are two really seasoned vets to mentally strong. That's who do not give up have great endurance. That is such a good point. Could you imagine if there was somebody of like a lesser caliber? I would like to um, the challenge pool who? Yeah that made it to the finals. It's like it wouldn't even who disagree Done it off. I really would like to see Paulina though. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I would be very curious to see how that turned out good call. So we get to battle ball and everyone is just running through the Cara. Yeah turbos up first Checkmate. See you later. Co comes up Checkmate. See you later. And you know, I'm back and forth a car here because she's kind of crying victim a little bit more like why me? Why is me? Oh my God. I just don't get it. But at the same time I get it because you don't we don't know what it's like to be in her element right now. Oh, nothing run what they run my new she didn't get that IV of nutrition. So yeah, really just malnourished probably delusional and it's always the simple thing. Sometimes that are the hardest and if your minds not getting it you're not getting no at least in my experience if I don't get something I'm like well shit. Yeah, if you're not seeing it, sometimes you're not seeing it and I agree. I was like cars being a brat. I guess. I would be a brat. Hey gets hectic. Oh, don't be such a spoilsport, but I was like good God. There's a million dollars on the line. You think you have this lead your the defending champ like yeah, but having a little bit of frustration is natural. So I forgave her but I'm not so sympathetic because it literally is dropping balls connect for like come on Cara Ryan. You just wants okay twice three times, like really and you have that huge lie, like get it together girl and I'm a car. Hey, I'm a fan I support you but the thing is like really write that sucks that And then the woman ninja was like literally obvious right in front of her or hey, you might want to block that one. She didn't do it. I think we're having this weird tense beef the entire time. I don't know if it was just like the last two girls were like we're competing against just each other or not everywhere else if they kind of had that feeling so I think by the time did you came she was like why me like God hates me today. Oh, yeah, like she was definitely tapped out. I'll say this it was a puzzle so car should have been a little better. Something she's good. And when it clicked for comes on a big puzzle, I'll give her this though. Sometimes in Connect Four. There are two ways to win and you can only block one way. So maybe that happened we didn't really get to see how it all went down. They sped that up maybe happened once or twice so she got screwed up the first two did get that diagonal that you get if someone doesn't know that trip, you know so far so she might not know that trick. Yeah, but again, I actually don't blame her. I'm kind of sympathetic to the situation because I suck at Connect Four and when again when you're not getting it He's not getting it and we've we've established that every challenge you suck at nice. Imagine. If she didn't have to run that mile though guys got the rest. Yeah, their brains after running through that thick sand or probably a little where you know more where there's like that that I suck at most things. So way to see you later sis to remember that from the Move sis, but I'm so good. Yes, let's move on to the food. This is on the surface looks like the best food portion of any final ever. We're definitely will get into the one part of why it might not actually be beneficial because I have a little bit of a take on that, uh, but to give you the run through Turbo with first he gets there and he can either eat some he can eat a little and then assign the rest of it to other people or just assigned food and move on so he chooses not to eat. Eat what you guys think is the wrong choice in the long run because he didn't get any nutrition or anything. Right? I mean obviously he pulled it out so it doesn't bright point but that was a risk factor, especially if everybody else is eating now, they're getting the carbs getting the protein like I think at the very least you should have grabbed that banana in run. You know what I mean? I don't know if I can I think had to stand there and wait banana banana, you know, that's gonna help you to cramps. You need that calcium the potassium, you know, that's those carbs that fuel like you need. You know, I mean you're doing like extreme challenges here. You need something to feel your body so that to me was a risk. I honestly thought he was going to kind of tap out later on especially in some fall and then obviously it's all car like she had the best food, you know, I mean, she had the peanut butter and jelly said that protein she had her car she had like everything she needed obviously though. She seemed fine after she's like I felt rejuvenated same thing like west of that later on. She guess you got your food, but you got your power food, you know, because your body is that ketosis stage, you know, you're just like depleted at that point. You just need to nourish your body. And so I think at that point A point like he took a risk by doing that because I could easily caught up to him now. They have the energy to recharge like so it was a risk it I mean he pulled it out. Yeah, he should at least had a banana in my opinion. I think he could have spared like one minute. And again, we glitched out and don't know their final times one minute to like eat a banana, but ultimately I don't blame him for wanting to save the time because Theo said it was probably at least 25 minutes. Yeah, so that's what I heard was 25 minutes and I'm like that. That was the that's the game right there turbo can just keep going. You got to make up 25 minutes turbo is going to do something just mess up a hundred percent to even get close. So that's why I'm like checkpoint to whoever got there first. If you're even if you were in the top three and you got there first if you were no matter who it was it was Turbo S or Theo who ever got to that food challenge first, I think was winning no matter what 25 points you can't come back from the top three. Yeah. Yeah unless it was someone that had lower time. I think you did have to be in the top layer the top right clothes in those. Top three scores that we had seen today one. I think was the only person who prepared for eating the most. The only thing with eating again, it is going to be something that's beneficial in the long run. But I think it's one of those things when your stomach shrinks after not eating for so long you've ever had a long day where you're like, oh my God, I didn't eat in ten hours and you try to eat something. You can barely feel like it. Yeah. So you see Wes, he's kind of having the downside to now having a shove all this food without even if it's good food. Still eating a lot in the hot sun after your body has been so heavily exerted. You see what happened like your body can kind of spiral in certain ways like you get queasy you get a stomach ache. So I'm almost like dang maybe turbo did something good here because he didn't have to mess up his body. And anyway, like when your blood sugar so long and then you have to pound on the student it spikes and then you're just kind of like AA pedak instantly kicks in stomachache instantly kicks in you're dizzy or throwing up. So I'm like maybe skipping a meal was almost just like keep going till your body gives out a situation before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all Your friends and following on Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV, but I mean, that's the only downside to it. Well, there's a difference between like eating prop like just a portion and then like having it force feed yourself, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah, that was the issue Westside. He waits but not yeah, he was stunned and Theo he had a good amount to but No, I think yeah, it seemed like West Side the most or PE at least he didn't he just wasn't successful with it at all is hurting. Now. How do you guys feel though about Ninja because I'm kind of like a little like, I don't really think it's that fair because she threw up her food so it's kind of like, well, what are you gonna do maker? I know I mean, I'm just saying I'm just saying but it's like that's kid throws up in past Seasons to how its kind of sucks though that like you get to throw it up and put the other people have to keep it and I get it. No one likes to run while being to having just puke if I go here I go again sound like a baby after I just puke. It's like I'm in bed to not touch me. I am curled up in a ball and no one wants to puke and then go run into in sand dunes for another Ten Mile most I was like, oh if you're in that position you that bad like you might as well just make yourself throw up. I don't think that's my I'm guessing or I'm making up but I would say that this is true. You probably can't make yourself throw up to like eat more faster, but if Throw up you throw up. I just feel like in a sense. So it's kind of its kind of like an unfair advantage of a little bit. You know what I mean? But harp seem to want her to throw up to waste. I like to take like while she finished eating right taking time out of your eating if you're like eating and then throwing up and then eating and throwing up you're wasting time. That is I think that's sometimes a lot of to though David when you can tell when somebody's like eating food, but you can tell that they probably haven't swallowed it and they're just spitting it back up, right but ninjas puke did look like you did get it. To eat and puke weird that is essentially like re eating your stop your okay. Alright, one more thing on the food for as much crap as we gave the producers for making this hard on them. They gave him good food either least. Come on, right but still nutritious and know it was all that food in there is very non-perishable because they're in the middle of effing know where it says use that word correctly. So it's bananas. It's granola. It's peanut butter and bread. There's no like meat. There's no fact, there's nothing that needs to be refrigerated or well-kept like yeah. This is like apocalyptic basement type of food, you know. Yeah, it's good food though. It's you utilize what else could they they Coulda done that for ya as we should ask her all this is like really die. If they have to eat a brain and I've who knows what like desert animals would come out the like yes, good point. Yeah. Okay moving on. So we think this is the worst of it right? I'm sitting there thinking turbo takes off. Oh, he's just got to make it down this hill and into the pain locker and he wins role like this is the final stretch. No, they finally make it down this which by the way, perhaps turbo. I thought he was gonna I thought his body was gonna fail and when he sat down on the mountain and he was like, I cannot feel my legs. I was like dang this is it for him? This is so sad, but they make it to the pain Locker now, they take another drive to the beach and they get the bombshell another five effing miles hummus and it's just the endless sand that made me feel so bad for them because not only is it so much and so hard but It's so repetitive that it's just like it's one thing if they were doing a trail run and then I run downhill and then a mud run. I don't think they've ever had to do this much just desert running not of course, they haven't but it's so that's what I find awful. There was even a change visually or some it's like you're just keep running. It was like it was almost like funny and sad at the same time because there was like, okay you're gonna To continue going you have to do this a lot. But then you have to canoe and then guys you're running five miles. You know, it's like of course we are of course how good is this final stretch though? Because I love the way that they do the size with the math problem. Yeah. It's like that just might be my favorite like Puzzle Challenge part of the of the finale was the fact that I do some math while they ran. It was great because they even put you things together at least was just running in a circle in a figure eight. I think it's something completely new something we've never seen before and it starts off easy like else. 14:19. Okay, here we go. And then it's like add a hundred here you times 10 times 114 here then subtract by 30 or divided by 25 here and you're like, okay now I'm completely lost of the fact that it looks like the I'm confused by Theo here though because I was really impressed in the beginning some like Theo's not stopping he's doing this on the run. And I mean he said he was gonna puzzles. He said he was smart. No now he's proving it. Yeah, he gets to the lock first and then everybody starts Blowing by and what do you think? This is a lock malfunction or he just couldn't go he hasn't he a mess up. So how do you do a hundred and forty times 20 in your head while running and you know, hey, thank God. They had that sand though because actually could write the answer on concrete or something. They can't even wear with a right that I wouldn't I have to write it down when it's when it's double digit multiplication unless you're like wow. You have to sit and count. What is what is turbos weakness though? I can't find it. He's just every time he just does he just someone that is so nice and combined? No, sweetness is not weakness, but he is consider it if you know, he didn't do that. Great. There are one or two of us. Remember nobody. I know I have to go back. I can't remember if he's that nice. How come he would not forgive Ninja for like eight weeks ago. Yeah. And correctness and she crossed a line with him that he considered dishonorable. Yeah, she behaved dishonorably off with her head. I mean he did seem like he forgave her at the end. Anyways, yeah, I love the math. I love math and that was great. And I love that the last person to complete it is eliminate. That was fun. That was a nice fun twist to I did feel so bad for car because that again they just had gone through so much to just write have it so great every but she had so many opportunities that date and tune. Not get last right? She did she had to give her a bunch opportunities for her. I'm not saying. Oh she deserved anything. I'm just saying who feds gotta hurt. I thought it was great to how it came down to them the partners like that was like a yeah great ending like how ironic and that was the only part that was really cool. It was cool, but sad yeah Theo was very sweet and genuine his confessional. He was like dang. This is the worst way to do it. Like I'm very and it came down to the end for us too because I'm sitting there like compute. Who's the other like but I don't really want car to lose either they came down to I would have felt bad for anybody about opening that that point need to I think I like it. If I was in that position that's kind of the way if I'm going out out wanted to be by my partner, you know, kind of cool, you know, yeah, I mean watching them all of them and what they went through with both legs of the challenge everybody there deserve to be there everybody there gave it more than you would think as possible. So it was hard at that point seeing anyone. But yeah, that was not get to content. That was a great part of that leg of the final and then we get on the kayaks turbo was going but then West gets in and West comes in like hauling ass and smiling like that Ginger villain. He is all of a sudden he's on turbos heels turbo washes washes up on shore first gets the point. Hi. I don't know why I guess it's all timed anyway, but this is the end right? Why the hell can't they just get their boat on the shore and then run to the light right? That would be On me like oh I'm so damn close. I can't just run. I have to get here now wait for every their tips their time to stop final Sprint. There's no point in it. You're not going to get a much of a lead. I mean, well actually West was kind of slower but no, I don't know it was it was laying they should just let him go out and then do the Last Mile and one more Sprint would see if you take the time factor out of it. You just spin it like that. Then it becomes down to essentially like someone winning a Sprint race out of all that it wouldn't do that. That's what name but it takes away like I think the timing is good. And I think it probably is more to the dyno absolute them running together each type of thing, you know, it's the drawing and spring together. That's my point. Why not? Just let him Sprint their first your first your second your I mean it didn't it didn't still time that they could have done it. Either way. I don't know they just chose that way, but I don't know why they exactly chose that. Yeah, but let's talk about turbo being the Leone because he's so nice and at this point would you do the same thing? So you get to the shore first and you see that somebody who you've Competed against the entire season. It's not that there's any bad blood between them but verdicts still out on who has the best time and turbo is essentially helping us competition get a better time by telling him this what you got to do control your, you know control your kayak and turn maybe he's now that I'm saying it a lot of like maybe is really not telling him anything that is in common sense. Like turn your kayak. I just don't pump West was following him. So close. You know, how the hell do you get lost not to mention if you see you too. Yeah. You see a body on the beach go towards the body is also running the challenge when he's waving you in I can't hear you. What he why you calling me over so I go this way. Yeah. I knew it was it was weird turbo was coaching them in a little bit because what are you gonna do sit at turn your back like once he got to the thing and you're watching other people. I don't know. It seems like that's in his nature. But ultimately he still can't make the move faster than they're going to move. So turbo was trying to give Theo Oh the combination code I believe in the law of the other one. Yeah, you are right he was and I just don't think Theo could hear him. Yeah, and he was yelling. And in theory Theo was Theo and West were his next to help both of them and he helped the girls before that with the foodstuff. So turbo help. But he's rubbing it in anyone's face. I don't think that but if you're really good and you're like, I'll let that person get a little it's like you get throw someone a bone. I think he's literally it's helping I think he had a pretty solid lead. So let's fast forward to the end then everybody runs across the finish line and like I was saying do you guys outside this sounds like so cheesy and just so not the point of the challenges that that I always forget that there's money at stake and that these people are winning with nearly or leaving with nearly a million dollars from like just the fun. Film intent of this being the worst and hardest thing you'll ever probably do in your life physically Crossing that finish line has got to be the most successful feeling and just watching them. I felt inspired watching them like damn they went through hell and I know you want to win that money. You don't want it to be for nothing, but just crossing that finish line that's got to be the best feeling because you never go through anything like that again in your life. It's like that Rocky moment, you know, sometimes I just want to go the distance. It's like dude you just that was insane like not even just the respect you probably have obviously for yourself, but Just for each other. There's gotta be a bond. There were just like you're going to have that respect now because you guys just went through hell together. That's why I love turbo and Theo running across together hugging each other landing on each other. I'm like, that is the best feeling in the world. I would feel so happy with myself for just finishing. Just knowing I didn't quit. Yeah, I guess that's why ninja wasn't as you know pissy at the end as I feel like I would have been if I was did all that and just got nothing and just I guess you're on that high a finishing. But how did what is she what is she gonna do piss and moan? Like that's not that's not a good look. There's nothing she can do about it. She got forth it is what is that her Montage? So everybody gets their ending Montage as they always do horsey just her like thing with a stick hitting her head. Yeah. She's just having a temper tantrum in her mom to watch it is weird that that's when she lost it. So what would you rather lose in cars position or ninjas? And just matter what she finished I'm gonna cross that Finish Line. Yeah specially being car because I am so on cars page with this where it says math problem where I'm not finishing this so to know that I feel just I'm big on telling myself. I'm stupid. So I just because you can be really pissed at myself at that time. I went out it that it is a sucky way to go out after you've run 50 miles dude. How ironic is it though? That ninja said for the kayak lock part. She goes I'm not gonna be left here embarrassed and alone on the beach exactly how this season ends with Ninja so we got down there and we're waiting here the times are you guys who did you think we're gonna was gonna win? I was turbo after seeing the food challenge. I was like the turbos got first. I think I thought turbo to I'm I couldn't and I thought it was between turbo and yeah for sure. Oh, yeah, but I thought it was I thought it was I thought it was gonna go. Yeah, I was that was the order I had it was the Lord of this house like this has to be if I'm doing my math feel beat Wesson, most of the stuff turbo got that 25 million lead on Monday deal right there. So Theo how you can we have 25 minutes. Yeah, so this Is that the icing on top of the cake of the best season in a while on the bus final and possibly history is Turbo wedding. So congratulations. We love you. You're the best come back anytime despite. What all the other competitors say. He can be like what the Warriors are to the NBA right now. It's the final of just so he comes back. Everyone else should be shook up. Well, they're gonna they're all gonna gun for him. He I believe he's coming back. He's coming for 34 and they're gonna all go A gun for him. So it's going to be a peace Ambassador like he needs to go to places that can agree and like broker. Peace because he's so right true that you can't argue with his logic. It just seems like the ultimate truth that I nominate turbo for but you're telling me when like a school Wes Wes bananas Zach who ever comes back 434 you tell me they don't all just team up and just like this get Turbo out early. And yes, he may have to take him out early. I agree 100% Dan. That's exactly what's gonna happen. He's going to Target on his back. Now. They know cats out the bag. This guy is good gunning for you either so it will but it would have been one matter if you have a big enough lying so many people. Yeah, when it starts off, I do all turbo can't fight on everybody. You know, I don't know bananas even had everyone against him for a whole season and he shook me he made it pretty far down you guys. Let's take a question from the panel Boza who is our loyal live chatter. He's always in here. So what's up, Joey? Well done anything like that. Question for the panel looking back on the finale as a whole. Do you think the producers went too far with it as a whole? I thought they did these people could have died. It's a really good question, you know and I think we discussed that a yeah to like AB moments. You know, like I said, I'm kind of like mean like that. I want to just push your body. So but to even me at some point I was like that's a little much you know, like I just said even that rope challenge with Hunter ninja I was like, that's a lot like that sucks, you know, so maybe, you know, may they be If only you were out walking that line, you know, I mean so they tiptoed the line for sure. I mean the way that when it came to the first leg like we said last episode I did think it was too hard because we saw Georgia pass out need Medics ASAP like hallucinating and Maddie giving up but seeing the way this episode went down. Yes, a lot of them were cramping up and West kind of had a moment where he was passed out, but they did all finish. So it's kind of hard to say that it was I mean, it was very hard but the fact that they all finished. They all seemed OK in the end. I'm like, okay this just pushed them to their limit. And this was good to see how far that how much the body can do. I don't know. It's I mean you get my Ibiza gave them the food they were obviously watched, you know covering what they need to do. They give them more money every year and they make the challenges harder in theory every year. That's one wasn't more money more money jackpot, then then Cara there wasn't no says they didn't personally Carlin 750 million. Mm. That's what saddest money. So that's what I'm saying. Well, let's do it this way. They have to up their game just to make us watch because well, especially after challenge 33 was awful and the fact that a lot of these are 42 that were in this are different level of competitor than our run-of-the-mill. I was on the real world Challengers, you know, these are Olympic athletes, right? Which just the Harkens back to wow West good job for being able to keep up with them and I think it was horrible and really mean Joe to answer the question, but I'm sure that they were monitoring and giving you know off camera. I'm sure they were had their safety and how much you'll think they slept from day 1 to Day 2 and did they get to sleep? Did he even sleep at the locker the truck there? This is it this is sad that you - it was horrible. That's what they were saying, but great final. I'm very proud of everybody. This was for all them to finish the way they did Ninja had a great season turbo Theo all these I welcome them back. Yeah, great job great season. It's gonna be excited for the next one. So like we preface before we always talk about these people and these challenges as if we can do them and we had a thought. Hey, should we see if we can do this? Yeah, so we put ourselves through insanely grueling hard several mile long marathon, and I won't spoil the details too much but we have our special segment tonight is the AfterBuzz challenge finale. So Jennifer when you're ready, you can roll that clip. Opportunity to win $750,000. We're thinking of doing this for like as a freebie. Like we're just gonna go out tonight and run the streets of LA for free. No getting the news from CJ this morning that David wasn't going to be in the competition today actually made me site because he was my biggest competition for me. Oh popcorn muscles. Nobody knows that I poisoned David's veal parmesan last night didn't realize how far this was really going to be. I can literally walk and keep up with you Jacob. First thing in the morning was entirely ready. For this first one is just gonna be sticking your hand in a box sequence. Watch out for that dog. Yeah. Okay, this was hard and shapes and colors. Not my thing. What do I do guys got this. Well, I do start all over. Is it possible? This is the final heat. Whoever touches the Rock first wins. Are you quitting? Are you quitting? I can't see only two challenges we made. Muscles are coming out. This is all I've ever wanted is what are you doing guys? Why would mr. Jersey most importantly my windows for Paulie? Hey, Dan here can't say I'm not disappointed. I don't like cheaters, but I'm just going to pretend that there was a strong wind that blew me over and that's why I felt I really wanted to finish I gave it my everything but you'll see me again on the next one. Yes. Yes eyes. All I can say is I'm so sore my gosh. Yeah, I'm feeling much better now Dan. Thank you. I'm proud don't drink it has recovered from his Poise and veal parmigiana. Yeah, that's what happens when you got a threat, you know, that's what happened. I hope you guys enjoyed our very real extremely grueling final. Okay, look at all those elements we have to deal with there was babies running around. Yeah. School field trips, there were so many obstacles in our way from reaching that rock that was hard as hell make it legit that little ring toss kind of retard that I may have bought that at Target right before he shot best five dollars ever spent so that hubcap role though. So my mechanic decided to just take off my hubcaps one day when I went in because I had a rattling noise and I show back up his like it was hubcaps and just took them off. So now I'm riding around with no hubcaps and Look like trash but came in handy when you want to do made up chan. Oh, yeah - nice. So that was it was almost as hard as the challenge that they went through. I think it's like what is our live chat. It's you're getting called Georgia right now. That's fun. It was a tribute to Maddie with the legs. Like they said that his place right? And then George of just dropping dead and our CJ. Say TJ. We gotta give a shout-out to show shout out to Luke. This is Pam's boyfriend Luke. We love you took one for the team was in the Brea Tar Pits been posting your average Saturday and really did get woken up and was really drinking his coffee and was told to play the role of and if James the challenges that we're looking for another host. I think Luke can easily step into that spot. Oh, yeah, let us know. I like to see Luke as CJ on the challenge. Yes everyone right to MTV. But yeah that was Fun to do it is crazy what these people put themselves through because no no no kidding that was hard like bringing our things and running around in the morning. How fun I wouldn't want to do it. They like they like your dog Carter. They're reading the dog was cute. That is yeah. Thanks and other ones, so to the viewers the best I thought I liked are like in the house like coming out casually I love reading hair was our tribute to pile of Pam's brain. She's like, okay. This is gonna be my Ops are my checkpoint. She just flips over one of her night stands. Let's get some tape tape some garbage bag to it puts cheese and her dog. It is a janky has box. I'm like Pam. I just I wish I could have the way you think is incredible a tribute to like sticking your hand into like be here faster. Scary Jenna. You should have been dq'd calm down. I think for the Porsche I think for that. Thank you. Dad is the real winner man. That is my middle name. Dan Spira see Dan. It is ending the season with a conspiracy created by himself. Wow conspiracy. No, he should not have one because it was he was trying to distract Everybody by taking off his shirt bam. That's true after yeah many ways. No one else up and down and showing off. Hope you all enjoyed. The shirtless can guess the challenge final AfterBuzz TV style. Yes. We hope you enjoyed it. Hope you enjoyed it. We're probably I don't think I'm gonna have time to get into you or okay slightly news and gossip slightly. Yeah. Well go through some seasoned 34 rumors, right? Yeah Linden has thank you so much for dming me. He's lit on it set me some of the rumor cast for season three or four guys. Haven't seen this in want to go over it a little bit looked like People this is from a reliable source on Vavoom. Our favorite place. Some of the girls are Ashley M is back after a little bit or of leaving an early departure this season. Yeah. Korra's back cam is here. We got faith, Georgia Kaylee is bad. I love Faith. I don't think you're off Tori deal. Not any moral for guys. We have Gus. Wow, Jack. Leroy bananas West Josh is back, which I'm pumped about because this is another good competitor Logan. Interesting that will get ready literally exact from an Ex on the Beach or something. Is he last what's-her-name joke before we leave. Yeah, she'll even Rogan art is not on this cast. So basically same as this season bear is back problematic feel as back Jordan, Paulie. What would it be without Polly man Kyle? Um, Also, you guys know how upset I am for the rumor teaser that Kyle's luscious Rapunzel long locks have now been cut. He look good though. But his God he was growing that thing out just to chop it all off and Josh from Big Brother so we know turbine weight is - I don't see turbo on the list. Can I come I've heard that's not a finalized list. I believe turbos also come back. I've read rumors about that. I don't know why the hell Gus is coming back. What the who cares Gus? For Bama Schiller or bearish or like he can stay over there. I don't know male counterparts exactly like team pretty yeah. The Maddie was Maddie on those. No didn't see Maddie interesting. So excited for that which is already they left like last week or something and what you didn't say West did you and say bananas Wesson bananas? Yeah. I thought it's a banana. Oh you probably did. I just I know what I believe West is coming back to and bananas on there. Yeah. Okay, great. It's didn't reunions gonna be awesome it lit AF. Yeah. We're so cool in part are we is a two parts do we know it's going to I think it's gonna be two parter. They always do that now too - yeah, I mean I flew them to the up to London London. Might as well making it shorter Point milk that you know, nice. I will leave us your comments. Let us know about how you felt about turbo winning congrats to everybody this season big congrats to Turbo great season. Great finale way to go out and I'll let us know. Yeah. Yeah, what did think about our AfterBuzz TV final and how you think we would actually really do we really want in a file. Oh, please kick ass punk. Thanks guys. My name is John of us here. 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It’s final time! Aka TURBO TIME! Just when you think they can’t run anymore, TJ’s like nah, keep going. Connect four is Cara’s kryptonite and Hunter drops like a deer from a one shot kill. The panel competes in a final of their own…. Hosting tonight is Pemal Gross, Daniel Lindgren, David Christopher, and Jenna Bussiere! About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge:  It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hi, my name is Annie Grossman, and I'm a dog trainer. This podcast is brought to you by school for the dogs a manhattan-based facility. I own and operate along with some of the city's finest dog trainers during this podcast will be answering your questions geeking out on animal behavior discussing pet Trends and interviewing industry experts. Welcome to school for the dogs podcast. Hello humans today. I am going to be answering some dog training questions that have come down the pipeline. If you have a question, you'd like answered in a future QA episode. You can find us on Instagram at school for the dogs. You can send a direct message or go to any Grossman.com. Ask and you'll find a Nifty little form there. They're so our first question comes through Instagram from a listener named be she writes. Hi Annie. I've just finished listening to your crate training episode. I love how No Nonsense you are with most subjects. And this one is of particular interest to me. My husband and I fostered a few dogs before we adopted all the dogs we had before including puppies and adults left in a crate. However our last Foster and now adopted member of the family hates the crate. He'll go in if there is food but if the door closes he immediately loses it and won't eat he tries to eat the bars jump up jumps up and throws himself against the bars and generally cries until you open the door. We've also tried pens Etc. We want to create train for all the reasons you mentioned on the podcast and also because I want him to stop sleeping in our bed. He moves around that I'm always scared. He'll fall off. He was rescued from a puppy mill and I've been following the best friends guidelines, which say that some dogs will never adapt to crates. After being born in a puppy mill, he is five months old. He also hates pens. I've tried covering the crate to make it more Den like but he barks and jumps the whole time occasionally. He goes quiet. I've even filmed him and left the apartment and he keeps jumping and barking until I'm back. He's very happy when he's let out. He also won't eat if he knows he's closed in the pan or crate. He's very stuck to me in general if I leave the room. He follows me. He scratches at the door or the bathroom if I'm in there I To feel confident and comfortable in our home and I think crate training would help him. But overall. He just seems very unsure. He goes to daycare and is fine being cared for by others. It seems that he is perfectly happy as long as he isn't alone. Is there any hope for him or for us? Okay. So first of all be mentions that her puppy is only five months old and let's remember five months. It might be towards the end of a puppy's socialization period which We really think starts to end around 12 weeks, but dogs are always learning and 20 weeks is still a very young puppy. So don't lose. Hope about anything just yet. All of that said I suggest picking and choosing your battles to some extent here. And unless it's absolutely necessary to be leaving your dog in a crate or really leaving your dog at all. Perhaps I wouldn't stress too much about trying to get him. Acclimated to being in a crate and being alone and being alone in a crate. I do think there are lots of benefits to crate training. But I also think you can have a really great dog who doesn't use a crate. I actually never taught my dog to use a crate. He has been in a crate he can go in a crate, but I very very rarely had to leave him in a crate for any reason and it really hasn't been an issue in our lives together. I just didn't really know about crate training when I First got him and by the time I eventually started learning about dog training and then became a professional dog trainer and understood how useful creates could be I just didn't see a great need for it as far as his training went. So all of that is to say that crates are great for many reasons, but you can have a well-trained dog and not use a crate and in some situations for some dogs that might be preferable and if a dog is dealing with any kind of Anxiety which might be anxiety about being alone or being confined. I certainly would rather first focus on that issue and then think about how we can get them interested in both being in a great and being in a crate alone. Now whenever a dog has any kind of separation issues or even if a dog doesn't I think it's still wise to get a dog used to the idea that That good stuff happens when you're around and usually that means I suggest feeding your dog when you leave and that might just be you leaving the room going into the hallway going into the bathroom. But of a dog can't handle that it might just mean turning your back on the dog or feed when you're not paying attention to the dog. If a dog is too stressed to eat. When you leave the room that's certainly not a good sign and a super stress dog is not a dog that's going to be doing very much learning. So we want to figure out what your dog can handle and if all he can handle is you turning his your back on him while he's eating then that's a good place to start my reasoning to this whole idea of feeding the dog and then going out of sight is rooted in my suspicions. That your dog already has lots of good associations with being around you lots of good things in your dog's life clearly happen when you're around and when your dog is eating your dog is forging associations and learning to associate good things with whatever is going on during mealtime. If your dog again, if your dog is able to eat if your dog is too stressed eat, it's a different story, but if Your dog is eating and you're there. He's preparing the food with you. Gosh. My human is awesome food always appears when she is around and we want to change that into gosh. It's awesome when the door closes behind my human because that's when food appears. Now if you also want to try and get your dog to feel good about the crate you compare food with the crate and you have the opportunity to do that at every meal time. Now, I understand what you're saying that the dog is stressed out in the crate and it's just focusing on getting out of the crate once he's in there. So I suggest putting the food in the crate, but leaving the crate open and Seeing if your dog can handle that. I would also suggest feeding in some kind of toy which will slow down your dogs eating and just extend the amount of time your dog is eating in the crate, which is extending the amount of time. Your dog is making associations between food and crate. Also, if your dog likes the toy that is only going to further help the association's your dog is making I suggest the topple which is kind of like a Kong style. Toy the toy you stuff food into and because the create sounds like it is a source of stress for your dog. I would make sure that you're feeding extra delicious meals in the crate. So if you're giving dry food, you might switch to wet food. I always suggest Frozen or dehydrated wet foods, like ever more or sell and Chewy's and fill the top. Well, which kind of looks like it's sort of like a thimble shaped rubber. Toy but what I particularly like about it is it has a hole on the side so you could sip tie the topple into the back of the crate. That way your dog can't just go into the crate and take it out and see how that goes. Now. I would not suggest closing the door. I want the door to be to be open and also because we don't want to stress your dog out really in any way. You also don't want to start doing Trials of leaving at first because that would probably be Asking too much of your dog. So you could start out at a meal putting the topple in the back of the crate stuffing it with something more delicious than his regular meals and stay near the crate. And if that seems to be easy for your dog, then you can just start walking around the room while your dog is eating his meals and you could do this every meal when that seems easy and your dog doesn't seem overly stressed out about you walking around. Around you might start just very briefly going out of sight again. I don't want to stress your dog out even a single time. I think when you're dealing with a dog who has any kind of Separation distress. It's like they're having a panic attack when they go into their crazy headspace and ideally we never want them to have another panic attack again. We shouldn't be like pushing them to to the limit at any point. We always want to be hovering below. That threshold so that could just be like ducking under the kitchen counter for 10 seconds or 5 Seconds just briefly briefly going out of sight. I also really love using the treat and trained for this kind of work. If you're not familiar with the treat and train we do carry it at store for the dogs.com. It's a remote-controlled treat dispenser. There are a lot of high-tech Bluetooth Wi-Fi video. Oh camera kind of versions of the treatment right now treat and train now available, but the treat and train doesn't have any of those Nifty features, but it is my favorite treat dispenser of any kind for a variety of reasons one is that you can take off the kind of like lip that normally sits on its bottom and put the whole thing on top of the crate and then fill it with dry food or treats or I even like to use sometimes I'll use peanuts or Cheerios anything kind of dry and small and if you sit the whole thing on top of the crate creates can just drop into the crate. So the way I would use that in the kind of situation you're talking about again put the dog in the crate, but don't close the crate and fill it with some treats that are going to be able to be used with the treat and train something your dog really likes and start triggering it as you're walking around the apartment. If your dog leaves the crate, that's okay. He's probably going to run back in when he hears the treats dropping into the crate when that gets really easy again, you can start triggering it when you duck behind a door or duck into the bathroom or that kind of thing again, making the association for your dog. Oh good things happen in the crate treats fall in the crate when my human is briefly out of sight now in the recent episode I did about Crates specifically about the Revol dog crate. I mentioned that I like dog crates that are as like open as possible. The kind of just ones that have metal bars that a dog can see through very easily instead of the more enclosed plastic kind of crate. And the reason is that I think it's nice. If a dog can feel still like he's part of what's going on in the room. Room when he's in the crate as opposed to feeling separated and I also like these sort of more open wire kinds of crates because you can do training with the dog while the dog is in the crate, which is again only going to help your dog feel good about being in the crate because your dog going to be spending time with you and your dog's going to be getting treats in the crate. And actually there's lots of training that you can do with a dog in a crate that Really? Well because your dog doesn't have a whole lot of choices of things to do. So for instance, if you wanted to click every time your dog sits in a crate, you're going to probably get a lot of sense or click every time your dog lies down. You're gonna get a lot of downs because your dogs not going to be wandering all over the place. I've even taught dogs to spin in a crate a hand touches a really easy thing to work on with that kind of crate and I usually suggest selecting a crate that's not a whole lot bigger than your dog. You want your dog to be able to turn around and lie down on a crate but I usually suggest not getting a very large one, especially if you're dealing with house training issues because one of the great things about using a crate is dogs don't usually want to hang out where they pee and poop. So a dog is usually more inclined to hold their pee and poop when they're in a crate so it can help you figure out when they're going to need to pee and poop because as soon as you let your dog out of the crate, you can whisk your dog outside and Them and elimination opportunity. However, you mentioned that your dog may have come from a puppy mill. And yes, I think it's true that dogs who come from puppy mills or that are in pet stores. Sometimes especially, you know during those those early early weeks of puppyhood sometimes can develop severe adverse reactions to being confined especially being confined in some Something that is like a metal cage if that's perhaps what they were in early on, you know also people often don't think about it. But many dogs are transported at the age of six seven eight weeks old right after being taken from their mothers and their siblings and sometimes they're put on planes or on very long car rides and that could be Castle of her many dogs and can certainly leave them with a deep-seated fear of being confined in anything that's cage like so I would actually suggest going big and getting a large crate for your dog. So almost like it's like he's going to have his own room and if he's been having bad experiences in the crate that you have you didn't tell me exactly. What the size is or what the style is but whatever the size or style probably not a bad idea to start fresh with a completely new crate so that you can have a spot that's like a clean slate, but I would get a crate that this big as possible. Which to be honest might not help with housebreaking and using a crate for housebreaking house-training reasons, but it's going to be a while before I would want you to be leaving your dog in the crate alone with the door closed anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. And once your dog is happy and comfortable in his large studio apartment style crate or whatever your apartment whatever size your apartment can can accommodate. You eventually could probably go smaller without too much stress. I also have recently seen and I haven't seen one of these in person but I've seen them online these like acrylic crates that were pens that are kind of walled-off clear areas that you can buy on Etsy. There's a there are some crates of this style made by a shop called pretty kennels a link to it in the Show notes, they are pretty pricey. But I like this idea of a totally clear see-through crate that has no kinds of bars. And then there's also they this other company looks like they have more like pens than crates but similar idea pretty cool and more affordably priced slightly more affordably priced. They're still pretty expensive, but the shop is called clearly loved pets and they have these crates called loose idiom. That are made of acrylic and Aluminum and Stainless Steel and look like yeah kind of like these many many apartments that you can put your dog and that I think would probably be big enough even for you to hang out in there with their dog, which is a great way to try and acclimate your dog to being in this this new space. Now like I said earlier if you don't want to use the crate at all, it's also totally fine. But you still are going to want to try and build your dog's confidence during the times when you can't be around because certainly you can't be with your dog every moment of every day. And in order to do that. I would go back to thinking about what I think of as the for W's of feeding your dog, where when what and who in journalism, of course, there's a fist. W which is why but we we know why you're feeding your dog. Anyway, we talked about where you're feeding your dog. In this case. I would be feeding him in the crate we talked about when we're going to feed him when you're leaving or when you're sort of pretend leaving in order to create a good association with your departures. Now who is going to feed your dog? I suggest that you have whenever possible someone other than you feeding your dog. Dog again, it's all about creating associations. And the more we can help your dog feel good have good associations with people other than you the less super attached to your dog is likely to be specifically to you because he's more likely to feel like oh, okay. My humans not around but that's fine. There are other people who can help take care of me, which brings me to the what you're going to feed your dog and Talking about what kind of food I know I spoke a little bit about that and suggested my go-to types of food, but certainly you're going to make a personal choice about what you want to feed your dog. But instead of thinking about the kind of food, you're going to feed him. I think this what question should be more about what you're going to feed your dog in. How are you going to feed your dog? And again, I'd really suggest you consider using the treat and train. And different kinds of work to eat toys. If you've listened to this podcast before you certainly know that I am a big fan of work to eat toys. But in this case, it's not just about helping your dog expend Ender energy and keeping your dog occupied and making meal times last longer. Although those are all benefits of work to eat toys. In this case. It's really about building your dog's confidence and helping him figure out that he can sort of Take care of himself or in the case of the treat and train that if he's alone. The machine is going to take care of him. So to talk about the treatment train in this situation. I kind of think of it like Rosie the robot from The Jetsons if you ever watched that cartoon, you will remember that Rosie was The Nanny and she was also a robot but the parents left the kids alone with Rosie and you can imagine the kids felt safe even though Rosie wasn't their parent and Rosie wasn't even a human and that's sort of how I think of the treat and train. I want your dog to funnel some of his feelings of oh, I'm okay I'm being taken care of. I'm being provided for onto this inanimate object. I want him to feel like oh mom is gone, but Fine because the treatment rain is here to feed me and take care of me and as ridiculous as this might sound just take a moment to think about how much people do love objects and objects make people feel safe and happy whether that's the way someone feels about their car or the way a little kid might feel about a special teddy bear or blanket. It's possible to use an object to help your dog develop a sense of Safety and Security. Security especially if it's an object that you could be controlling secretly from the other room and that is literally dispensing food for your dog. Of course, you don't have to be in the other room to control it. You could be controlling it from the same room even with you visible to your dog. The food is still coming out of the tree and train and other kinds of work to eat toys. Like I mentioned the topple before but other kinds of toys I think in serve a slightly different Different but equally important purpose of making your dog feel like he can take care of himself and I'm thinking about toys that your dog really has to work at I love Nina Otis and toys the casino is a great one. The brick is another really good one. We have these at store for the dogs or in our shop on East Seventh Street, and they really require effort and time and a degree of problem solving for your dog to get to their food and the toy as I mentioned are ones that you can use with wet food. Food dry food raw food I even often will freeze. My dog's food in these toys to make them extra hard. They're certainly the benefit of giving this kind of toy to your dog when you're leaving because it is going to occupy your dog and burn a lot of energy and by the time your dog finishes the toy the sadness of you leaving will probably have dissipated because 10 or 20 minutes may have passed now. I'm not necessarily Really suggesting that you leave your dog with a toy like this at this point. Like I said, if your dog is too stressed to eat when you leave I wouldn't leave just yet. I might just you know suggest you be on the other side of the room or have your back turned towards your dog or walked quickly out of the room and back into the room while your dog is eating but the idea of giving a toy like this is that I want your dog to feel like I did that. That I fed myself. I scavenged. I problem solved and I am capable of taking care of myself. I know it sounds sort of silly. But I really want your dog to have that sense of accomplishment rather than just thinking I'm totally dependent on my human to place a bowl down in front of me. I think we can use these kinds of toys to build this sort of sense of self sufficiency. And it doesn't just have to be about the toys you could do something similar by hiding treats or Bully Sticks or even your dogs meals around your house. If you don't want random food under your couch and your dining table, you could dribble some dry food in a towel or get like one of those stringy Mop Heads even and hide some food in one of those and put those in a corner for your dog to find for more on dealing with separation issues. I highly recommend a book called treating separation anxiety in dogs by Malena demartini price and also the book I'll be home soon. Bye Patricia McConnell, I think both of these books are filled with great tips and protocol for dealing with teaching your dog to be alone when Or not you're having a serious separation issue separation anxiety or isolation distress puppies certainly need to learn to be alone. And like you said different puppies from different situations, whether it be from a shelter or a pet store or who knows might have different issues with being left alone. And I think following some of the steps in these books. X from the get-go can really help your dog learn that being alone is okay and can help Stave off behavioral issues before they ever get to the point of having to call in a professional trainer to work with. In fact when I've had stressed out dog owners contact me about their dogs who have separation issues, but who are worried about spending the money on Trainer I've often told them to go and read and work through the steps in Malena demartini prices book because she outlines very clearly the steps that a trainer is going to want to work through with a client and a client's dog as well. I think it can be super useful to work with a trainer if you are dealing with serious separation anxiety with your dog. Dog both because a trainer can diagnose how serious the issue is and also because it can be helpful to have a trainer really be like a coach to do some hand-holding and to encourage you to keep going during what can sometimes be a long and slow and difficult process. But if you don't have the luxury of working with a trainer, it's Certainly something that you can deal with on your own and these books are a great great place to start. Okay. Our next question touches on actually some similar issues. Hi Annie. My name is Supriya Eyre. I live in Portland, Oregon with my dog Finn. I had a question. This might be a little long but But first of all, I love your podcast yours is the only dog related podcasts. I listen to it because it's so unfortunate event. I love how precise and thoroughly you describe everything. Anyway. Yeah, so thanks for making this podcast. So my question is that I'm currently in a psychology class and we're learning about developmental psychology currently reading about attachment Styles and infants secure versus insecure attachment that sort of thing and I got Thinking that my dog sin does not really play with other dogs when I'm not around. So at daycare the dog cams. I don't see him playing with other dogs. And when my neighbor comes to check on Finn with his dog when I'm at school or at work, he doesn't really play with the other dog at me. He'll go out to pee and stuff, but he doesn't really get excited to see the other dog, even though he loves playing with that dog when I'm around. So does I guess my question is does attachment Theory apply to dogs, and maybe this is related. But is there a way I can get them to play with other dogs when I'm not around. I think it seems like he may be securely attached if I'm reading my text book, right and sometimes that's a great thing, but maybe in this case it has sort of an unfortunate consequence. So yeah. Anyway, thank you very much, and I hope to hear an answer from you. Really excellent question and if you would like to call and ask me a question on voicemail you may do so at nine one seven four one four two six two five or if you have the anchor app, you can leave a message there. Anyway, so attachment theory is not something I was very familiar with although I had heard of it and I had also heard the term attachment parenting but that too was something I didn't really know very much. Much about but having recently become a mom. I was interested to learn a little bit about it. And this question gave me the opportunity to learn about both attachment Theory and attachment parenting and what they have to do with each other and I was kind of surprised to learn what they have to do with how good dog trainers approach dog training. I mean, I guess That's not that surprising since I'm constantly seeing similarities in the way we deal with people in the way. We should be dealing with dogs since after all. We are all our animals, especially we all are mammals, but I never heard people refer to attachment in the way. The collar does when it comes to dog training, although I think there are other terms that we Do you use to describe similar phenomena, but before I get into the kind of nerdier side of things, I want to give some quick suggestions and thoughts. So first of all, it's very common for a dog to not want to play with other dogs. When his or her human isn't around. In fact one time. I was at a conference and there was a panel about multi dog households and one of the panelists asked the audience of several hundred dog trainers who here has dogs who play when they aren't around and I guess enough people have like nanny cams kind of things now that they can spy on their dogs when they're not around and out of this room of a few hundred dog trainers, I guess first, they asked who here has households with More than one dog and I don't know a few a few dozen people raise their hands and then when they said, okay now like only only keep your hand raised if your dogs play when you're not around almost nobody kept their hand raised and anecdotally, I know that it's often the same thing with toys some dogs. I would say many dogs don't play with their toys or chew toys or anything unless they're person is around and this could be the case. Even if you have a dog that is super comfortable with the other dog that he or she is with in the case of households with multiple dogs. And this can also be the case when the dog is super comfortable with another person that's around if it's not their primary person. They still might not be interested in playing I was talking to about this to our former trainer an Me and she mentioned our French Bulldog students, gilby and ghosts who met at school for the dogs and they play all the time with each other at each other's Apartments. They're totally best friends and their their moms will often Instagram their play dates and stories and when you watch their little Instagram videos, you can see that every now and then when Are at one of the others house one of their moms might leave and the playing changes. Noticeably the two dogs might and Dirac and I wouldn't say that either one steamed overwhelmingly distressed at all. But if they're at ghosts house and Alex who is gilbey's owner leaves, you'll often see Gil be kind of eyeing the door and if they're a gilbey's house and ghosts own. Tiffany pops out. You'll see ghosts might kind of drop out of play. But if both Alex and Tiffany are around, gilby and ghosts can't get enough of each other and these are both very healthy well-rounded. I would say pretty happy dogs without major behavioral issues. So I think if you're seeing that your dog isn't that interested in playing with other dogs when you're not around wouldn't worry too much. About it. I think it's pretty normal. All of that said I think it's also worth thinking about the fact that it can be very hard for dogs to negotiate new social setups and I think often when we put a dog in daycare or asking a lot of them or not only asking that a dog tolerate being away from his or her main human. We're also asking the dog to navigate a whole new group of dogs because very rarely at a daycare. Do you find the same grouping of dogs one day to the next which is one thing? I don't really love about daycares. There's a there is a daycare near school for the dogs called rough club and they charge a yearly fee that they call like a membership fee which on the one hand. I think it's a little gimmicky because it's sort of billing they try and build themselves as like a social club but on the other hand, I think it's smart because if you're paying an annual fee, you're more inclined to send your dog there regularly and they the the Dog Day Care is less likely to have people just sort of dropping in and we actually kind of do a similar thing with our membership at school for the dogs for our school yard, which is our trainer supervised dog run. It's not like dog. Are Dog Day Care in that? We don't let people just leave their dogs with us. The owner has to be there with their dog. It's a little bit more like a dog run but rather than a dog run having random dogs in it, which is again kind of like the daycare situation our school yard has a limited number of dogs and it because it's only for our members who also pay a monthly or a yearly fee. So the dogs who come tend to get to know each other and really do develop these sort of like friendships. So I suggest, you know, you just kind of make peace with the fact that your dog might never loved playing with other dogs in your absence as much as he's going to love playing with other dogs when you're around but try and arrange play sessions for your dog with dogs that he is comfortable with rather than putting him in situations like at a day. Her or a dog run where he's going to have to find new friends each time and you can try and pay a little attention to your dog as possible in these situations. So I think that might help your dog become a little bit more comfortable playing when you are not super engaged I say that of course, you know another benefit of having dogs. Your dog knows and has sort of figured out how to interact with is you can breathe a little bit easier knowing that you're not your dog is not going to most likely get into some sort of altercation with an unknown dog, which I always worry about at the dog park where they're just so many so many variables and dogs and people who you don't know. I mean again, it's not so different than with anyone else. Like I would much rather socialize with a bunch of friends then hang out every night at you know, a borrower. I don't know anyone. That's why people go to the same bar over and over because you get to know the people or a kid right like a kid is probably going to learn to make friends and be away from his mom or dad. A daycare where it's the same group of kids every day then if you just dropped the kid off at a playground where there are new kids every time you go and also dropping your child off at the playground is probably a bad idea. Anyway, let's go into a little bit about what I learned in my effort to educate myself a bit on attachment Theory and also on attachment parenting I found a Really interesting website that's called evolutionary parenting.com. It's the website of dr. Tracy Cassell's and I'm actually just going to read a little bit from her sight because I thought it'd explain things pretty well. I'll link to the full page in the show notes. I'm a bridging a little bit here, but Cassell's rights attachment Theory began with John Bowlby and was continued in his work with Mary Ainsworth. As a theory describing the types of relationships that exist between child and caregiver. It is also been extended to refer to all of our relationships with individuals, but the focus has remained on the parent-child attachment relationship most likely due to the extreme importance of this initial relationship as a bit of History the theory began when Bowlby was asked to study orphaned infants and children after World War II who presented with Myriad problems socially emotionally and cognitively and he determined that the cause of these problems Stemmed from a lack of maternal involvement. Now. We know that time now we know with time that it's not all about Mom that so long as infants have an attachment with a primary caregiver and they will have the tools to develop in a healthy manner there have been over the years for different types of attachment parent patterns that we can see between infant and parent secure avoidant anxious and disorganized secure attachment is what we strive for and is characterized by a child showing some distress when separated from their parents. happiness at their return and a generalized preference for their parents over others avoidant attachment is characterized by a lack of preference for the parent over other strangers these children rarely seek out their parents for Comfort anxious attachment is characterized by distress when separated from the parent but a lack of comfort upon the parents return and May in fact be quite hostile towards the parent Upon returning finally disorganized attachment is characterized by a mixture of avoidant and anxious behaviors the final Attachment patterns cluster together under the term insecure attachment, although not all children with insecure attachments will develop later psychopathologies or generalized problems the likelihood that they do is far greater than four children with secure attachments. So how do we get our child to be securely attached isn't that the question most parents want to answer? Well in one sense the answer is incredibly easy respond to your child. But what that means opens up a whole other debate and this is where attachment parenting seems to come into play Bowlby and his initial research believe that early attachment was fostered in environments like those of historic and modern hunter-gatherer societies these societies as I have focused on here on environmental parenting.com shared many premises with what is termed attachment parenting and what has been With respect to moral development and infant outcomes infants in these societies are typically breastfed on demand held close to a parent nearly all the time. I responded to immediately when they cry birth is a natural event free of interventions and babies are immediately given to Mom post-birth an infant sleep close to their caregivers in bowlby's view this type of behavior fostered immediate response and responsiveness and thus attachment. So what is the real premise of attachment Theory an attachment parenting its on Savannah sits listening to your child and responding to his or her needs and early in life. All your child has our needs as your child ages. There will be wants mixed in but believe it or not most things that will cause them to stress will be needs. And in this we must remember that their needs will be very different from our own and we must not Place adult expectations of what they can and cannot handle on our children. Okay, so I'm done reading now. This is me talking again. Interesting. So what I think is so interesting about this as it relates to dog training is that it is very similar to what I think about how we should be treating puppies. I've taught lots of puppies. I've taught lots of puppy owners. I've taught many puppy kindergarten classes and I'm always stressing to puppy owners. I mean dog owners in general, but specifically puppy owners that we really need to First. Think about how a Puppy is feeling how we can get them to feel good about the world. We are asking them to live in in my view. It is so much more important to think about the association's a puppy is making with everything around him before we start asking the puppy to do things. I call it criteria 0 it's focusing on the classical conditioning. How can I just make my dog feel good about something rather than and basically rewarding my dog For doing nothing is what it's going to look like to others before I start rewarding him for doing specific things that I want. The behavior I want is just at the beginning is just the behavior of existing in this room. You're here in this room with these new people with this person with a beard or a funny hat or whatever. Good job. Here's a treat too often with dogs. We think about well-trained dog is a dog that can sit or leave it or drop it or do whatever. Were of things you want to check off a list and I've seen that so many times when people come into like a puppy kindergarten class and even you know, before classes started they're trying to get their dog to sit or they're trying to get their dog to lie down and I'll come over and I'll say, you know, Bella be cute good job Stanley exist. Nice work. Give a treat right? Because at that stage of life, we want the dog to just feel good about showing up in that room. And we often fail to think about how much we're asking when we're putting a dog in a new environment with new people New Dogs new new stimuli all over etcetera Etc. I often tell dog owners, you know, it's kind of like when you send your kid to preschool the first day and they come home with some Crayon drawing you could look at that crayon drawing with your eyes closed, but you're still going to tell the kid that it's amazing because you just want the kid to feel good about being at school and it's not yet approved. Appropriate to be evaluating the drawing on the Merit of on the on you know, your child's Talent as an artist. There's plenty of time for that later on. But first we want your kid to just be showing up to school and to be happy to be there. And from my understanding of attachment Theory and attachment parenting specifically that's kind of what it's all about. It's about creating a sense of safety and and comfort for your child by giving them what they need rather than assuming that they are trying to manipulate you and that by tending to a child who's crying for instance you will Rewarding the behavior of crying and teaching them in the future that they should cry when they want something that instead. It's more like you're just rewarding the behavior of existing and whatever your child is doing in that moment, whether they're smiling or crying or Screaming or whatever. You're still going to give them what they need because the criteria of behavior that you're looking for is just 0 is just pure existence that when you're dealing with an infant you Really be expecting more than that that they're just trying to survive and you need to do everything. You can to help them rather than falling into the Trap of thinking about the consequences of every little Behavior. As I see it like everything else it all comes back to these two kinds of learning learning by association AKA classical conditioning and learning by consequence AKA operand conditioning both are happening all the time. But if there's ever a choice on which one to focus on and every situation classical conditioning is always going to win because it's so it's so deep it deals with how we are feeling about the world around us at what how our baby is feeling our puppy is failing. And it's an uphill battle to teach your subject the consequences of a behavior if your subject is not comfortable to begin with just existing in the environment. You have him in an another way to think about what's being called attachment here is how many good associations your dog has with you or your child has with you or any any Infant has with a caregiver every time you're feeding your dog. Every time you're paying attention to your dog. Every time you're doing anything for your dog that your dog likes your building like this bank account of trust and love and you might say you're helping your dog feel attached to you. And what I would say is a good way and you're basically becoming a secondary reinforcer so, you know primary Sir is something an animal needs like food your you don't need to learn to like food. You're just born knowing that food is interesting. Secondary reinforcer is something that earns meaning that we give meaning to like money is a secondary reinforcer. We're not born knowing about money, but we give it meaning over time because it's paired with so many things we want and need and love and you as a caregiver become that kind of secondary reinforcer to the point. I think when you're in any kind of new situation with your dog your dog thinks okay. Well, my human is here and I associate good things with my human. So this new place that we're in this new person that I'm needing this new dog that I'm encountering. These must be okay things because I'm associating them now with my human as well. So anyway, I found all of this interesting. To learn about and to think about in terms of dog training and also as as a new parent to think about in terms of my relationship with my daughter, I felt like when I was reading about attachment parenting, you know, oh gosh shoes are kind of things. I'm already doing, but the way I thought about it was less about this word attachment and more about the association's I'm helping to create because of course, I'm a dog trainer and I'm thinking about associations all the time. I want my daughter to feel nothing but Good things about having me around and both because you know, she has that's that's her giving giving her two cents here. That's because I'm the one who's going to be introducing her to so many things in the world. I'm going to be the one bringing her to new places and introducing her to new foods and this that and the other so on the one hand. Yes, of course, they feel like I want to meet her needs. Needs and I don't want to be giving her things on the basis of her behavior at this point because she's just like a little need machine and I want her to feel safe in the world. But also I want her to feel good about me so that the good feelings about me can translate to all these things that she is going to discover with me in her life with shout-out today goes to Alex Chris and Tiffany French owners of gilby and ghosts because they really do such a great job of making sure these dog best friends do get to hang out together. You can see their play dates on Instagram gilby is at at gilby Chris. That's gilby and then K riss and ghost is at ghost French and fun dog fact of the day. I'm not sure if this is true, but I recently heard that that the Beatles song A Day in the Life contains an ultrasonic whistle in it that Paul McCartney put in for the enjoyment of his Shetland Sheepdog. So if your dog is a Beatles fan now, you know, why? Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week with another show. If you liked this episode, please remember to subscribe rate and give us a five star review on iTunes. And of course tell your friends. If you have suggestions for future topics or questions about training, please make sure to join our Facebook group facebook.com slash groups / school for the dogs. See you next week.

In this Q+A episode, Annie answers a question from a puppy owner whose dog is scared of the crate and stresses out when left alone, and then considers another dog owner who asks if "Attachment Theory" applies to dogs. Visit AnnieGrossman.com/ask or leave a voicemail at 917-414-2625 NOTES Products Annie's preferred crate, the Revol: http://schoolforthedogs.com/revol (get $25 off the Revol with code SFTD25 at checkout through March 31, 2019) See through pen on Etsy by ClearlyLovedPets: https://etsy.me/2tNn3mT See through crate on Etsy by PrettyKennels: https://etsy.me/2C3dx3U Treat and Train: https://storeforthedogs.com/products/treat-train The Toppl toy: https://storeforthedogs.com/products/toppl Books:  Treat Separation in Dogs by Malena Demartini-Price: https://amzn.to/2UirZMd I'll Be Home Soon by Patricia McConnell, PhD: https://amzn.to/2UrGIV6 Sites:  Evolutionary Parenting article on Attachment Theory and Attachment Parenting by Tracy Cassel PhD: http://evolutionaryparenting.com/attachment-versus-attachment-parenting/ Shoutout:  You can witness Gilby and Ghost's playdates at @GhostFrench (http://instagram.com/ghostfrench) and @GilbyKriss (http://instagram.com/gilbykriss) Fun Dog Fact:  The Beatles song that contains a secret dog whistle: https://www.dogingtonpost.com/video-a-beatles-song-that-only-dogs-can-hear/

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So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Pisces. Thank you so much for listening. This is your audio horoscope for Libra season in 2019. Libra season is the span of time between September 23rd and October 23rd in this horoscope. I'll be focusing on some of the more major and Minute seems this season within the astrological influence. I'll be considering especially the influences of the personal planets as they move through the sign Libra and as they aspect planets in Capricorn Aries and Cancer for you Libra rules your solar Eighth House. This has to do with your shared resources debts inheritance has money that you share with Other people as well as shared energy and energy can include a lot of things. So in this place of the chart, we find a lot of information about your attachments your emotional hooks your insecurities your shame your fears. We also find information about secrets and where you hold Secrets or information with other people where other people hold information. About you we find information about subtext of the emotional experiences that you share with others. These are like kind of subliminal happenings where you might feel persuaded or manipulated or where you might be unconsciously or subconsciously relating with others emotionally. Finally this place in the chart has a lot to do with endings and how we we work with transition in our lives cancer rules your solar fifth house the fifth house corresponds to your Creative Energy your Creative Energy includes your Basic Energy and vitality as well as what you create what you do with your unique and special perspective and abilities for some people this is going to mean your children. You create your children. You raise your children forever. Everybody this is going to mean how you use your energy to express yourself and what you care about Aries rules your solar second house. The second house corresponds to your values and value systems and your valuables. This has to do with your self-esteem your ability to accumulate and earn the resources that you need your value systems. What you think is important to accumulate and earn and then in your valuables your liquid assets and your personal finances. Finally Capricorn wolves your solar 11th house. The 11th house has to do with future outcomes your hopes your worries your fears for how you express yourself in the world for your children. It has to do with larger social circumstances and how you connect with the larger social group. Throughout this month of Libra season. It seems to me like you're wrestling with some important choices and experiences. There may be significant hopes or fears that you are in relationship with that have to do with your future and potentially with your children's future. You're reaching a place where choices must be made and I think you're trying to figure out what the best choices that you can make our How to care for what's important to you and on some level you're wrestling with what is important to you values change what's important to you now might not be important to you in 5 or 10 years. So I really want to encourage you to think deeply about this question of value and importance. I want to encourage you to consider as deeply as you can your even if you have them the children in general any future Generations people who are younger than you no matter how young you might be and I want you to consider Your vitality and your happiness. These should be your utmost priorities your ability to express yourself and to live in a way that is personally satisfying your alignment and integrity. You with your own heart with what you really wants to be expressed through you when you are at your best, and I don't know what that means for you, but I know the feeling of it and the feeling of it is heart expansion, its feeling proud of yourself. It's feeling like you have something that you want to be giving that you want to be doing that you're interested in please. Is don't shut those interests or your enthusiasm or your your energy into a formula or into a box if what you love doing doesn't fit into societal Norms of career options find ways and times to do it in a manner that is consensual that is safe, but give yourself. Time give yourself space to explore your own desires to explore your own interests. Make sure that you prioritize your feeling of heart expansion regardless of everything else in your life. If you're thinking about success and ambition as material materiality or objects or validation from other people and you're thinking into it and you're feeling Stressed out. This is not productive for you. You have to be in a space where you are in agreement with your own heart. If you are not then you will suffer. Now if you have children or whether or not you have children, please think about children now little babies now their Joy their innocence their opportunities and the profound challenge. That they have being young at this time on Earth. There is so much that they are going to have to contend with in their lives that is potentially devastating and Incredibly traumatic. They may also be people who can change the world and when they are creativity is encouraged when they are nurtured to look towards hope and to express Is their own heartfulness their love their enthusiasm then we all have hope so, please prioritize them as you make your choices. Please prioritize the future regardless of whether you feel personally connected or attached to these people or not and consider that your relationship with values extends into very real choices that Are making learn to work with your money in a way that is healing. It doesn't matter if you have very little money or if you have a ton of money, you can be conscious with how you spend your money as a consumer try to purchase goods and pay for services from people or companies that are Equitable that pay living wages that do their best to honor. Honor and replenish the environment. If you have money to invest, please do not invest your money with greed or blindness invest in socially responsible and environmentally responsible portfolios. Even if it means a lower yield consider the future consider what you are supporting with your money, you have the opportunity right now to make some important choices and transitions in your Life it's going to mean so many different things for all of you. But the sense that I get is that you can move towards a really different kind of future right now, maybe one that you would never have imagined for yourself even a couple of weeks ago as you contend with your choices hold them with as much care and consideration for all who are involved as you possibly can as you make make choices consider the larger broader impact of your choices. If you can talk to other people about the choices that you're making and the considerations that you're holding do talk to people at work talk to people who you live with talk to people that you're sitting next to you on the bus try and engage other people with these questions of value of what's important in the world. That's what I have for you for now Pisces. I hope that this message is interesting and Fall in this month ahead. If you'd like to know more about astrology. Please become a subscriber. You can get information on planetary aspects and lunar cycles day by day with the subscriber calendar and you can get suggestions for how to work with those specific aspects as you go. Thank you so much for listening. I wish you all the best in Libra season and Beyond bye for now.

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So if you always want to start a podcast and make money doing it go to Anchor dot f m / start to join me and the diverse community of podcasters already using anchor that's anchored dot f m / start. I can't wait to hear your podcast. Hello everyone and welcome to the inaugural episode of the Haas team podcast episode 0 0 0 welcome to the ha steam podcast, which was recorded on Wednesday, March 13 2019. The hot steam podcast is a weekly fan podcast dedicated a news and discussion regarding Formula One racing and the Haas F1 team. So strap in and join me your host Brad grew as I discussed the technology news race results and drama of Formula 1 racing if we're short About myself. Again. My name is Brad grew and I'm an IT Senior Systems engineer from Houston, Texas. And I'm also the founder of the htx podcast Network and also the host of a fairly successful technology podcast called Microsoft today, and you can follow me on Twitter at twitter.com slash Brad grew. That's BR a DG R OU X. But before we go much further, let's kick off the show the podcast and the 2019 Formula One season with the F1 theme written by Brian Tyler. Man, I don't know if there is a better introduction theme to a sporting event in the world when F1 released that amazing Brian Tyler score last year when they rebranded wow, it's the perfect intro to get you pumped up before every race and the only other thing that I would even put it in the same Stratosphere would be Seven Nation Army the first time I heard like football team by football, I mean soccer team American sorry chanting Seven Nation Army at like at a soccer stadium. It was phenomenal and that's how I feel every Grand Prix weekend when Right tune in and hear that theme. So I just had to throw it in our first inaugural podcast and as an American, I've always been a fan of Motorsports and I've been a huge fan of you know, the TV show Top Gear for many years and now the grand tour so so I've always been familiar with Formula 1 and I've watched races whenever they were available or on TV. And so I've always kind of enjoyed it. But the fact that there was an American team and or American Racer with in Formula One. I just never really got hooked then several years ago F1 came back to the United States with a Circuit of Americas just outside of Austin. Texas which is only about two two and a half hours from my home. And also at about that time Gene Haas of NASCAR Fame decided to tip his toes into the hot Waters of Formula One racing and here we are three years later with Haas F1 team entering the 2019 season as a strong contender in the middle of the pack races. So are watching F-14 Haas back in 2017 and was the first season I watch from start to finish and follow the practices in the qualifying and those sorts of things and you know all the latest news. So I've been following the seasons really diligently since then. I've always kind of had the idea of starting this podcast to get more Americans interested in F1 racing. And so this actually plays a really good role into the Netflix series that just came out Netflix drive to survive. I believe that the popularity of the Netflix docudramas will call it's not so much a documentary. They did make some dramatic changes, but it's still a great overall. I think the docudrama will no doubt lead to many new fans to the sport, especially the American fans who are looking to cheer on our very own Haas F1 team and if you're listening to this and you haven't watched the net Let's drive to survive. I really really highly recommended. Especially if you're fan of hospitals a good portion of the series revolves around the house and the Midfield battles with teams like Renault. So it's a great great documentary about I think it's eight episodes and I highly recommend it for anyone who likes drama, you know, it's not so much you don't even really have to like the sports. But if you watch like the All or Nothing with like Manchester City or you know, the All or Nothing with the Dallas Cowboys, I really am addicted to the inside the locker rooms of the sports teams, right? And so it's really cool. Get Netflix to get a series for f 1 with drive to survive. And so I thought this was just kind of The Perfect Storm with the popularity of the Netflix drive to survive with the kicking off of the new season with Hoss, you know, finishing P5 last year in the constructors standings. I just thought it was a great time to start up a podcast and I kicked started my podcasting with my other technology podcast on my podcast Network back in January. So it's all kind of fell together and someone like a great time to start a podcast. And so hopefully we can grow this podcast to something more than just for Americans and for new fans of ha Us and for Formula One as some great plans for the website and so the website will be Haas dot team. That's HTTP colon slash slash Haas a JS s dot team T eam and so that'll be a portal dedicated to everything hostile. Any kind of Hast related news will be on there including news and updates about Haas drivers Kevin magnussen and Romain grosjean. So the format for this podcast is going to be kind of in limbo during the first several episodes just to kind of get a feel for what the audience wants, but I feel that for This part we're going to have at least one episode a week that will discuss the previous week's Grand Prix and then the upcoming Grand Prix and what can be expected but also seeing that we are definitely going to have a lot of American listeners that aren't familiar with the sport. I also want to talk about things regarding F1 and how you can get up to speed and kind of the inside scoop of some of the things with in F1 and then and things like the Dynamics and financing and those kinds of topics which are kind of hard to find information on and so will Broach those subjects as I come across those. I have only been watching F1. And as a die-hard for three years, but whenever I start following something, I'd literally just absorb as much information as I can. So I have no doubt. I have information I can share with people but I will not say that I'm an F1 expert especially about F1 history. But anything with the last three years of F1, I'm pretty darn well versed on especially news and information regarding Haas in the house F1 team. So what are we go from here as many of you probably already know this weekend is the Australian Grand Prix and the start of the 2019 Formula One season, so I plan on having episodes. 0:01 released before the Grand Prix which means within the next 24 to 36 hours and the title of that episode will be what to expect from Haas F1 team in 2019. So we'll be kind of discussing what happened last season and what we can expect and what we can expect over this season regarding the changes made within Haas and most especially it changes made within the F1 Rules by the FIA and finally especially from the changes within the other Midfield teams that could definitely affect the overall season out. Come from Hoss. So look for that within the next 24 to 36 hours again, I will be publishing that episode within the next 24 to 36 hours, which should be about 12 hours before the Grand Prix itself. So with that I'm going to start winding down this episode because this again was just more just a pilot episode kind of announcing the podcast and what's coming up at that, but please remember to check out the website at Haas dot team. That's HHA s dot T. Eam. You don't need the www you don't need a.com. It's literally just Hast team in your browser the Website is currently not up. It'll be up by the end of the Grand Prix. There's some back-end data that I'm importing in that's going to take some time, but I need to wait for the weekend for that. And so it will be up before the Grand Prix because I will also be live blogging the Grand Prix from the website next join the Haas team podcast Discord server, and you can do that at Hoss. Click / Discord hasd Clic k / Discord and also you can follow the podcast on social media at ha steam podcast on Twitter and Instagram so H AA s t eam pod Cas T and that's on twitter.com ha steam podcast and instagram.com ha steam podcast or you can use hostage. Click / Twitter our hostage click / Instagram. Again. We're using that hasta click as our URL shortener so you can probably see a trend happening there with the links. So without further Ado we're going to wrap up the podcast here. But before we do, I want to spend a few minutes discussing a huge loss to the actual Formula 1. Team this week in Australia Formula One suffered a huge blow on the eve of the opening race weekend of the 2019 season in Melbourne after a long time racing director Charlie Whiting passed away Thursday morning and Australia Charlie was just 66 years old and died as a result of a pulmonary embolism according to the FIA why nice career began in F1 in 1977, and he joined the FIA in the late 1980s and became the race director in 1997 the modern F1 we know today is his vision. He has been leading the racing and Gee and safety Innovations for over the past 20 years the F1 we know today is here because of Charlie and not only that in the ego driven world of F1. Charlie was universally loved by everyone. And so that's where we're going to end. Today's podcast with two audio clips regarding his untimely passing. These are enormous shoes to fill and no one man will ever be able to fill Charlie shoes. Charlie Whiting was a giant personality in Formula 1 over career in Motorsport that spanned 50 years. He became F Ones go-to guy for driving safety for Technical and sporting regulations and for the teams and drivers themselves. He was that rarest of characters universally liked hugely respected. He operated with a lightness of touch and easy sense of humor that belied the gravity and importance. of his role as one of the most influential people in Formula 1 His first job in Grand Prix racing came as a mechanic at hesketh before he moved to brabham in 1978 by 1981. He'd been made Chief mechanic winning the world title with Nelson Piquet in his first year and again in 1983 his team regularly flirted with the letter of the law as regarded the regulations a skill which proved especially useful when Whiting move to a new job with the FIA after the 1987 season. With a knife or technical detail his star rose quickly. He was made technical delegate in 1990 and over the next almost 30 years until his sudden and tragic passing. He was at the Forefront of the technical direction of Formula 1 his role developed over time to include race starter, and he would eventually come to be named race director. He was deeply involved in the constant search for improved safety in the sport not only in Formula One, but across categories old wide while attempts were made over recent years to plan for his eventual succession quickly became obvious that no one person could fulfill the Myriad of roles and responsibilities that Whiting took on and mastered with such ease wisdom in humor is lost is incalculable to measure in the sport that he loved and which loved him and so that clip was from the actual Formula 1 YouTube channel and hopefully gives you a better understanding of you didn't know who he was the kind of the impact he had on the sport and so from that we're going to move towards some drivers reactions to the news which I found particularly sombering yet really heartfelt. I've known Charlie since since I started in 2007 obviously incredibly shocked this morning to hear the sad news and my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family or his. Family and such a an iconic figure with within the sporting world and the contributed so much to us. So he rest in peace. I guess I was sick as shocked as we all are still now when I had the news this morning, I spoke to him yesterday and yeah walk the track for the first couple of Corners together with him, so Difficult to grasp when somebody's just not there anymore. I spent like the day with him in in Geneva a few weeks ago and we had a good chat just about a lot of things and yeah, you know when I when I left at a time, you know, I was like see see you in Australia just for another season of racing and of course when you hear this news is it's unbelievable. And so that was some of the reactions from the drivers at the press conference this week. That was first Lewis Hamilton of Mercedes Sebastian. Little Ferrari and Max verstappen of Red Bull and I really didn't understand how close these drivers were until I heard Sebastian Vettel say he walks the corners of the track with him and I actually found some photos on the Formula One subreddit where literally their photos of Sebastian and Charlie walking together. You don't really realize that it's always a weird feeling whenever I'm not sure if you've had it happened where someone just disappeared from my life the next day it's pretty hard to deal with and so it was weird to see these big egotistical guys going to get emotional but that just tells you the type of person and Charlie was and so but before we get too down and out will continue to look forward to the 2019 season like Charlie would want and so I think you all for joining us for this inaugural podcast episode of the Haas team podcast. Please reach out to me on Twitter at Brad grew or at ha steam podcast and let me know what you think about the podcast and give me any feedback you'd like to give me and again the next episode of the podcast will be out in the next 24 to 36 hours free practice starts in about 18 hours from where I'm During this episode, but in the next episode we're looking forward to what we can expect from Haas and the F1 season in 2019 will also be able to discuss some of the free practices and maybe in qualifying Before the Race So to back in in about 24 hours Check out episode zero zero one of the ha steam podcast. Thank you so much until next time go haskó and hulkenberg Zack my phone.

Welcome to the Haas Team Podcast This episode of the Haas Team Podcast, Episode 000 - Welcome to the Haas Team Podcast was recorded on Wednesday, March 15th, 2019. The Haas Team Podcast is a weekly fan podcast dedicated to news and discussion regarding Formula 1 racing and the Haas F1 Team. Strap in and join host, Brad Groux, as he discusses the technology, news, race results and drama of Formula One racing. Introduction by Brad Brad is an IT Senior Systems Engineer from Houston, TX, and the founder of the HTX Podcast Network and also the host of the Microsoft Today Podcast. Follow Brad on Twitter F1 Intro The F1 Intro by Brian Tyler is one of the most amazing cinematic intros in sports history - and the live version is spectacular. Netflix Drive to Survive The popularity of the Netflix docu-drama will no double lead to many new fans to the sport, especially those American fans who are looking to cheer on our very own, Haas F1 Team. American Fans This podcast was started for you, as we can learn more about the amazing motorsport that is Formula 1 together. Our passion for supporting an American team, can be found in our logo - which is the Haas "flying H" replacing the start in Captain America's shield. Website The website, which should launch within the next week or so, will be a site dedicated to the Haas F1 team, their drivers, and fans. https://haas.team Join the Haas Team Podcast Discord server Navigate to the podcast episode list View the direct podcast RSS feed Social Media Follow Haas Team Podcast on Twitter  Follow on the Instagram Subreddit Discuss all things Haas F1 on Reddit Join in to discuss Formula 1 on Reddit Tribute to Charlie Whiting Formula 1 suffered a huge blow on the eve of the opening race weekend of the 2019 season in Melbourne after long-time race director Charlie Whiting passed away Thursday morning in Australia. Charlie was just 66 years old and died as a result of a pulmonary embolism, according to the International Automobile Federation (FIA). Whiting began his career in F1 in 1977 working at the Hesketh Team and then in the 1980s with Brabham. He joined the FIA in 1988 and was the race director since 1997. Whiting was the go-to guy for every team on all matters during an F1 race weekend and he played a major role in making F1 what it is today. Haas has a tribute to Charlie on the nose of each car that reads, "For Our Friend Charlie" Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian & Vettel and Max Verstappen spoke of their shock at the news at the official F1 press conference - https://twitter.com/F1/status/1106096419662938113 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haasteampodcast/support

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And then the the hierarchy is above that or representational most of them or or their what area called kinetic Melodies which would be Habitual patterns of behavior that you've mastered strung together in a novel way but then above that that starts to become representational. And so I think for example when you're digging to the bottom of things when you're having a conversation and the unconscious opens up in the conversation, which almost always happens if you're having a dispute with someone right you say what do you really mean? Then they have to decompose what they're saying into its subsidiary elements and sometimes that's a search but sometimes it's actually Adaptation where did that idea come from? What is the underlying structure? So, okay. So keep that in mind and then We were talking about play last time and we talked about the fact that even animals have rules for play. And that that's the evidence that's evidence that there are modes of interaction between animals in the social environment that are acceptable to both animals such that they will voluntarily continue and and such that they aren't so so and you know, it's appears Eddie and observation that that constitutes one of the basis of moral behavior. And that seems to me to be a very very powerful. Because it takes it takes the idea that there's something arbitrary about morality. It takes that out of the picture says well, it's malleable but it's not arbitrary, you know, it can't just be anything so that still leaves you with the problem of how large the boundaries are and that's a tough one because obviously you all know that there are many ways to play that all function as acceptable play. Although one of the rules would be everybody who's playing the game actually. Really has to agree to play it, you know and that seems to me to be something like an absolute rule regarding social conventions. So so again, it's a process rule rather than a Content rule to some degree, but that's okay. That's still important. All right. So now I believe we talked a little bit about friends to walls work with with chimps. Right? And I mentioned that what Duvall has found out is that it isn't just the you know, the caveman chimp with the biggest Club. Who's the top chimp the top Chimp in a hierarchy that remains relatively stable and who doesn't get torn to shreds by his subordinates can't be an absolute Tyrant. There are social conventions that he has to follow and those seem to involve the ability to form. Coalitions with other males. So there's a Cooperative element and then also attention to the females and infants that are in the chimp troop as well. And in some sense what it seems to indicate. Is that the more Sophisticated the top guy because in chimps, it's usually a guy I think it's always a guy and chimps. The more sophisticated. He is in his social maneuvering the more stable the resultant hierarchy and so what that implies as we've discussed is that there are differences that are qualitative between hierarchies and that's again that's a moral hierarchy some function better than others some you have to Define better, but I think it's reasonable to Define better again from a modified kuhnian or Piaget in perspective. You say better a better system is one that does all the functions of the previous system plus more or that it's more stable or something like that. You can Define better so now this particular Pictorial representation, I'm trying to transmute this into into another dimension of representation. So you've got here you've got your hi doorman and primate and so he he represents something if he's dominant what he represents his dominance and we're associating dominance to some degree with competence and the competence is social competence. And so you can think that there's a pattern that constitutes acceptable dominance. I think you could think about that as Authority, you know, I mean people especially rather simple minded social critics like to think that dominance hierarchies are only based on power, right but That's except in the most brutal of societies. That's just not the case because there's power but there's also competence and lots of hierarchies in a functional Society are predicated on competence. And so what's at the top isn't dominance precisely its authority and authority is a better way of thinking about it. So then the question might be well, how is our Authority represented and then also what is it and so imagine that for up chimp or maybe four now we'll go with chimp because we don't know how long ago it was in history when people started to abstract out these things, you know, if you think of a word like chief As soon as there's a word like that. Chief isn't or tribal leader or whatever the term might be the fact that that term exists indicates that there's a category for Authority. Right? And what that means is that soon as you have the category for Authority you can detach the idea of authority from The Authority holder and you can start to think about Authority itself right in a troop like in a chimp troop. There's no Authority independent of the thing. That's at the top. It's completely Even though you might be able to say if you were an anthropological Observer you might be able to say well there's some common here's a chimp troop here and there's a chimp troop here. And another one here. You can say well there's some commonality in Behavior across all of the chimps that are at the top but the chimps don't know that it's just a natural fact that that point But as soon as you can make the category or that category leader or something like that then what you're starting to do is to conceptualize the principles that make authority authority. So and that's because we can abstract and because we can represent we've been doing that for a very long period of time, you know, we do that as modern people all the time. There's there's a huge body of studies studies in management science about what makes a leader now, it turns out that it's very very difficult to go into that literature and extract out anything of any generality, you know, I mean my sense my sense was in reviewing that literature that one of the You can say about a leader. Is that a leader knows where he's going? But once you go past that. Then that what constitutes leadership in complex human organizations is hard to articulate but it's also rather situation dependent, you know, when I would also say there's different ways of being a leader that are dependent on temperament that maybe all be functional. So trying to categorize that as quite difficult, but people still have been trying to do that for a very long time and they've got they've gone a very long way. So here's a way here's a symbolic transmutation in some sense. So Left top left there. You've got people playing football. And then in the middle there, you've got an abstract representation of a game. So computer games are quite interesting because they've taken the whole abstraction process one step further write their representations of representations of representations and you can play with them and their simulations. So then the ones on the on the on the far-right The Border one, you see there's a guy standing down there and he's gazing up at God in heaven with this cross, right? And to me that's essentially a dominance relationship is that think about it anyway, so so first of all, you're looking up to see the source of authority. So there's the idea that Authority is above you somehow I would say that that representation is an attempt to capture in image what Authority constitutes now when people were capturing this in image like they are in that particular drawing it isn't that they were trying to put into images something they understood it in articulating. Way, it's exactly the opposite is that the phenomena itself of authority as a concept emerged on the basis of the processes. We've been describing which means it emerged from the bottom up as as increasingly complex social animals organize themselves into increasingly complex and large social hierarchies. There's an emergence and emergence of morality as a consequence of that organization, and then there was an observation of it you might think well, What form would that observation take and it's a union hypothesis and I think it's a very good one that part of what the artistic Endeavor does is transmute. What's not understood yet into image into image and drama and that's the source of its further articulation up into stable rules. So for so, so first of all the bottom picture there indicates that a human being can be struck by the concept of authority per se You know, so you might think well what's even more of an authority than an authority and the answer to that is it's whatever makes authorities authorities across a large class of authorities and the you might say well what is that and the answer to that is well, we're still figuring that out because it's so damn complicated. It's unbelievably complicated now, I can tell you some things about that image. I can tell you some things that it represents. What it means is that first of all, it means that Authority has this trans no process that seat transpersonal existence. That's Eternal. So and why is that? Well, it's because what makes authority authority is stable across hierarchies, the hierarchies can come and go but the concept itself has an eternal element to it because it remains constant across Transformations and I think that's represented in the symbolic Realm by the idea of God in heaven. It's something like that now I got to tell you too. I'm not trying to reduce these religious explanations. Concepts that I'm describing because I don't think that what I'm telling you is a complete representation of what happens. So there's a Transcendence the element to religious thinking that you can't Explained Away by by reducing it to its constituent elements but having said that we're just going to put that aside we're going to try to make it as concrete as possible. Now in this representation, the idea basically is that Authority has something to do with the father, right? It has something to do with eternality and Transcendence and it also has something to do with the cross. It's Christian representation. So that's fine. It's that's a hypothesis. That is what that is. Now. It's a weird hypothesis, right if you look at that. Chur, and and you start thinking about it from an anthropological perspective instead of a personal perspective. You might think well what the hell are these creatures up to when they're making representation like that? It's what are they trying to express, you know, and the classical view would be well, this is a belief and the belief is being imposed on the viewers. It's like well, let's let's not assume that let's let's try something different. Let's assume that it's an explanation that people have been trying to work out that nobody really understands and I think that that's a much better way of looking at it because otherwise you're stuck with some bloody conspiracy theory of history or something like that, you know, and I think one of the advantages we have in the 21st century is because our culture now is composed of such an intermingling of cultures it enables people. Let's say for the sake of argument in the dominant culture to step outside of their own presuppositions and start to view themselves as anthropologists. Okay, so you think well, what are people up to? Well first of all that Bigger sorry, it's not bigger, but I'll show you a bigger one later is being held up in heaven by By Angels. So it's like there's an idea that it's there's some Divine entities out of which a top Divine entity emerges and there's a that's a father figure in that representation its associated with light and it has this cross and the cross is a very very old symbol and so and in Christianity, obviously the Cross isn't Negative of the father it's representative of the Sun. And so that's interesting because what that means is this representation says that whatever Authority is has something of the father and something of the sun and the reason I'm telling you that is because it's going to become very relevant. When I tell you the Egyptian that one of the fundamental variants of the central Egyptian religious story a little bit later in class, so it's not just the father there's something else and one of the mysteries about Christianity for example, and this is one of the things the rationale Always take Christianity to task for is the idea that God is a you know is a three-part Unity. It's what's very bizarre idea, you know, and obviously it's not an empirical idea. It's like it's some bizarre fantasy and I think that it's expressed quite well in that drawing at least part of it, which is well. Yeah, it's a Unity because there's something similar about the father and the son and there's something that that they both need from each other and it's a dynamic interplay, but it also has to be something that's Differentiated there's utility and differentiating the concept. So, okay. So keep that in mind now the top one there on the right. That's Moses and I'll tell you the story of exodus in detail later in the class. But one of the things I want to to introduce you to is this possibility. So what happens in Exodus basically is it's a it's a tyranny descent into chaos rise story, right? So it's like a in some sense the This story is a microcosm of the entire Christian Bible. So that's kind of interesting. It's it's a story about transformation nested inside a broader story about transformation. The transformation is everyone's in a tyranny and they're being exploited and they need to escape. Okay, so you should be able to relate to that because everybody is in a tyranny and they're trying to escape now the degree to which the Tara T is tyrannical varies a lot between societies, but the classic out A lesson to experience and you see this in Coming of Age novel has all the time is the young person Against The Establishment something like that. Right? And that's the I would say that's an existential. That's an existential Condition. It's always the young person against against the establishment. Now the establishment is also helping the young person. So it's not the only story but it's an archetypal component of the story. So you have to escape from the tyranny of the group. And what happens when you escaped from that is your cast into chaos, even if it's a tyrannical group because even a tyrannical group provides you with a hierarchy and an identity and maybe it's a pathological hierarchy in a pathological identity, but you could still make the case that it's better than no identity at all. And I think you play that situation by situation. I mean remember what happens to the Israelites, right? They leave Egypt, they're all slaves there and they end up in a desert and they're wondering Out in the desert for 40 years and a lot of them are thinking hey, that's not so obvious that this chaotic existence out here in the desert is better than you know, what where I know my three meals a day are coming from and you know, you don't want to think about that is merely something that's an abstraction. It's like there's plenty of people in Russia who longed for the Soviet Union, right? Because there were there was a stability that was associated with it. Now we would say and I think the Russians themselves said that was a pathological Bility, but whether it was worse than the consequent chaos is well. It's to be it's to be seen we don't know at the moment for some societies like Poland. It's like Poland seems to have pulled out of it quite nicely but there are other countries that haven't so the chaos and and I think this is also the conundrum it's very much think we're thinking about this because you might think what stops people from progressing in terms of the Quality of their personality structure and the answer to that is well every time you want to move forward you have to let something go and there's a disintegration associated with that. And so that's somewhat terrifying. It's like maybe you find well the case of the abused spouse is a good one. Why go back to someone who abuses you and people usually do and well and that's partly because you know couples abused each other all the time. So it's a matter of degree. But you know, if you if you go out on the Spectrum to the point where it's pretty damn obvious that the abuse is Criminal let's say because that sort of the bordering line people will still return. Well why Really hard question why sometimes it's because the abuser conspires to make sure that the abused person is in a position of such weakness that they actually can't believe they have no money. They have no resources and they're terrified. So, you know, that's that aside. Well, what do you give up when you leave? Well, you give up everything you give up your past, you know because you have to think geez that was a mistake and that's going to require a lot of thinking through to figure out why you made that particular mistake and how Ought to make it again because you probably will because whatever got you into that situation to begin with is undoubtedly still there unless you fixed it and then of course your future shot, right and so is your present self image and that's a chaotic collapse, you know, it might mean that you have to move cities God only knows you have to change jobs. You have to change where you live. You have change all your friends. It's like is that better? Well, not obviously and so people won't take the leap off the burning. You know the burning grasslands on the cliff into the water below and it's not surprising because who knows how many sharks are down there and that it's really useful to understand it that way I think because it tells you why people won't transcend themselves constantly. It's like, well you have to make a sacrifice. And you know, it's not always obvious that the soccer that the gain you will make from the sacrifice is worth the costs of the sacrifice and that's even in extreme conditions. And that's partly why Exodus is such an archetypal story. It's like it's not obvious at all to the Israelites when they're out in the desert wandering about half starving that it's only faith that keeps them going faith that there might be something better at the other end. It's like well, so what happens is that they get pretty damn crabby at Moses for lead them out there, you know, and Start to worship all sorts of alternative Gods, which is exactly what you do when you're in chaos, by the way, because when you're in chaos, you're looking for new moral principles to orient Yourself by you know, and those are new hierarchies of value and to think about those as alternative structures of you know of dominant structures of value that could be represented by a given daddy. That's perfectly reasonable thing to do especially in the absence of articulated knowledge of what a moral structure is. It's a Perfectly reasonable way to represent it. So that happened. So the Israelites are trying to orient themselves on this trip. They don't know what the hell you're doing and then another thing happens. That's quite interesting is that well, they're all squabbling among each other now, I want to tell you a story about that. So among the Bushman the Kalahari Bushmen, who by the way look to be the most genetically similar of all human beings to what our earliest relatives would have been who moved out of Africa that something like that. So that's kind of interesting the Kalahari Bushmen are very egalitarian society and people like to think that egalitarian societies because they were egalitarian are peaceful, but that's not true at all. They're not peaceful at all. And neither is the Bushmen society and the problem with the Bushmen Society. Is that lets say I don't know, you know, you steal my wife. Okay. Well, there's no hierarchy. So what am I going to do about that? There's no authority to appeal to so I'm stuck with it. So what am I going to do? Well often I'm just going to wait around until I get my chance and then I'm going to take out my little bow and arrow with my my poison arrow and I'm going to nail you with it because what else is there? There's no Authority. Now, this is what the Bushman do very interesting is that there's another tribe located. And near them and I think it's the band to but I'm not absolutely certain but I think it's the band to and they have a hierarchical structure. So there is an authority and so now the Bushmen will go to the band to have their disputes mediated so they don't just have to shoot each other when they have an argument. So it's quite interesting. It's worth thinking about because in a flat egalitarian society. Nobody has the final word and when everyone's getting along that's that's perfectly fine. But as soon as two people aren't getting along it's like Who do we turn to to mediate this? Okay. So the Israelites had that problem in the archetypal story. And so what happens in relationship to Moses is that every time to Israelites have some squawk about who's chicken is whose they have to come to Moses and they pour out their tale of Woe and he has to sit there and listen to it and then he has to decide. Who's right now you so he's serving as a judge. Now. You got to think what are you doing when you're judging which is a word. That's all you know, people say well don't judge me. It's like really it's like that's the same as not thinking you know judging is actually an extraordinarily useful ability because it helps you separate out what isn't good for anything from what's valuable. It's like it isn't absence of judgment. You want its its judicial judgment right principal judgment and then you might say well, what is that? That's a good question. You could say well it's all arbitrary. Anyways, well, then you've just got chaos. So that's not much of a solution. Okay. So the Israelites are coming to Moses like no one stopped bitching about these little trivial things that are aggravating them to death and he's sitting there like four years literally for years listening to them like 14 hours a day and finally he does this so long that I think it's his father-in-law who tells him he has to stop and distribute the responsibility because he's just going to get exhausted, but you could imagine What happens to you? If you sit there and judge and judge and judge and judge and judge and judge and judge is that you're building up a very articulated and differentiated representation of the moral structure that actually constitutes your Society because imagine if you're a good judge here's what has to happen. You two are at each other's throats like in a really homicidal way. So things have gone too far. And so then I have to listen to you both and I I have to decide what you're going to do, but I have to do something even more spectacular than that. I have to decide it in a way that you both feel is more acceptable than killing each other and that means you have to feel that not only is it is it reasonable and just it also has to absolve you of your responsibility to seek revenge because that that's one of the functions of law that people never think about. It's like if someone you may not remember this because you're all young. But when Michael Dukakis I'm hoping was running for president. Somebody asked him what he would do. They were having a Republicans. He was a Democrat. He had he had let some character out of jail and he went and killed someone and so the Republicans made a big deal out of that during the presidential convention and maybe there was a rape involved. It's possible. He was asked on TV what he would do if his own wife was raped, you know, which is good question and Dukakis blue the answer because he went he kind of wishy-washy did way, you know, so the right answer is With every fiber of my being I'd like to chop them into bits but as a civilized person I'm willing to defer that to the judicial system because they'll take appropriate and measured steps and then my proclivity won't generate itself through the community because the danger is if I take vicious Revenge that that'll start a cycle of Revenge and then the whole thing falls apart and so it's the Judicial Systems responsibility. To take that moral burden off my shoulders because you know, what's the right response when someone you love is terribly hurt. Well, it's not well, I'll just forget about that and go home. It's like that's what you do if your contemptibly week fundamentally. So the judicial system has to stand in for you. So anyways, the point is if you make a judgment the Judgment won't hold unless it suits the people who are being judged and it's not going to suit them unless it matches the implicitly Oral presuppositions that they're already bringing to the dispute. Now you see this in kids, you know, the kids will be arguing over a toy and then they'll come to the mother or the father and they'll say rap and then the mother will say well you do this and you do this and if the kids don't like that, they'll go well that's not fair and kids like they're really they're really obsessed with Fair. They want exactly fair in an understandable way. So the parent not only has to adjudicate the Cute but the parent has to adjudicate the dispute in a manner that the children will accept or they'll just go back into the other room and have the fight all over again, right or they'll poke each other. You know, they'll be they'll be Tit for Tat Revenge going on Non-Stop. So what that means is that the articulated representation of the solution has to match the embodied expectation of the population. So there's already a morality that's governing their interactions. They just don't know what it is. If there wasn't they wouldn't even know when They had been wronged right because you can't figure out when you're wrong unless you know when you're not wrong, so to say well I've been wronged means to say well, I don't know what's going on here, but it doesn't seem fair. And so then poor old Moses has to look at that and he has to think about it. You just think well, why is this fair and why is it unfair and who was right here? And then what's the solution and the story represents him as doing that for the 10,000 hours. It would take someone to become an absolute expert at doing it. Well, then the story what the story is essentially relates is the revelation of a moral code. And that's the Ten Commandments right think. Well, they say the 10 commandments came from God. Well, that's fine. We kind of have an idea about God that's already stemming from the bottom picture. So it's the abstract representation of what constitutes the source of authority across time. That's a perfectly reasonable way of thinking about it and Moses. He has this bright Revelation, which is like a moment of insight. Now what happens in Psychotherapy when you have a moment Moment of insight is that you figure out what you've all read that you figure out what you're already doing. That's what happens because you come to the therapist and you say look I had this relationship and this is how it went. Now this relationship. It went the same way and this relationship. It went the same way what's going on? And so then you talk about it you talk about it and talk about it until all of a sudden bang. You think ah, here's the explanation that maps onto the behavior and it feels like a fit right and that's the Moment. It's like I got it and it's interesting because if you you know, I do dream interpretations fairly regularly, and you know, you think well that's kind of like the straw ology and you know, it's that's a perfectly reasonable objection except that it's more like literary interpretation. And you think well, how do you know when you've got it, right and the answer is well, it's an Insight like you talked about it and all of a sudden it's sort of crystallizes the person goes. Oh, yeah that fits I've got it how you figure that out. I don't really understand. I think I don't get it. Exactly. I think it's something like when you get when you get the map, right what happens is that there's an understanding of how that generalizes across situations and so partly that simplifies the problem. You know, you say well, here's the rule instead of having to act it out on stage. And I think the reason that that would come with a with a burst of insight is because Simpler and more efficient and so your body recognizes right recognizes it as a optimal solution and I think it also opens up new possibilities for the future and I think that gives you a dopamine kick and so that's why it's that's why the moment of insight is associated with this really potent. Effective marker and that's a revelation. When you have a moment of insight. It's a revelation these people even say that now we might not think anymore that it's divine revelation, but I'll tell you if you had a revelation of sufficient magnitude. So maybe it was one way up in your abstraction hierarchy. If you had a revelation at that level, you described it as a religious experience people do all the time that's happens to alcoholics all the time when their recovery, you know, they have a flash of insight. And that's when a new personality gets catalyzed and if that happens to them, sometimes they can stop drinking. It's the best now. Maybe this is outdated because I knew the literature 25 years ago, but I doubt it because we haven't made really any progress in treating alcoholics. Revelatory personality transformation cures alcoholism. Now, we don't know necessarily know how to bring it about but the you know, the 12-step programs try to bring it about so okay so you can think about all that. There's a there's a bigger representation of the picture. So that's Authority. What is it thority well, there's a now I'm hoping it's been a while since I looked at these pictures. I'm hoping that picture that I think that picture is of door a I think it's good stuff, too. A and I think that's Moses receiving the tablets from God, but I might be wrong, but I think that's what it is. And there's light associate. Yep. They just didn't know that they knew it. Or even necessarily why they'd been wronged. They just have a sense that this wasn't right. And that's it. I think the best way to think about that is to think about five year olds. They know when somebody breaks a rule, but they don't know what to do about it it bug really bugs them. That's a PhD and observation to you're not playing by the rules. That's enough to make many young kids cry right and when they're crying you think what happens when you're crying. Well, it's a distress call that it's a it's a request for the intervention of That's what crying is. So the kid knows something's going wrong his pattern detection system. Is that sophisticated but his capacity to represent that an articulated well from appears yeti in perspective. That doesn't come until multiple stages of development later like the highest level of development and lots of people according to Piaget don't even get there. Right and that would be the ability to to play games with the rules of games. And so you do that when you were having a Discussion for example, or maybe when you're talking with your friends on the playing field about what the rules are going to be for a pickup football game. So you're so you can conceptualize yourself at that point as not only a thing that is good because that thing can follow rules which is an earlier stage of development, but that as a thing that's good because not only can It follow rules. It can abstract the represent the rules it can engage in a discussion about the rules and it can update them and I would say That's part of what's being represented by this picture on the left. So the father is the thing that's the rules and the sun in this representation is the thing that can update the rules now, it has to die and come back in order to update the rules. And so that's partly why the father in that figure is holding a cross because the cross is a symbol of death and reconstruction. That's the price you pay for reformatting the rules because you have to do that to yourself, too. So, yeah. Well, it's exactly the advantage of abstract representation. You can start to manipulate the representations before you manipulate the thing so that means you can start to think about morality now. Is that a good thing? Well, I think it was Alfred North Whitehead. I hate taping these because all these errors that I'm making In My Memory going to be preserved. But anyways, I think it was Alfred North Whitehead who said something like the reason to think the reason that thought is valuable be is because we can let our thoughts die instead of ourselves, right? And so then you think well once you can lay out the rules, okay. The kids are playing a game one kid cheats or or another kids suspect. The first kid is cheated and there's there's no adults around. So what what's the outcome? Well one outcome is The Game Stops. That's a high probability outcome or the game continues but no one's having any fun or one kid gets resentful and solemn than the other kid just oppose imposes his will or they fight. That's it. Those are the options now when they can abstractly represent the rules. First of all, they can agree on them before they play the game and kids do that automatically. So if for example if you watch kids play pretend games what they do first, you can probably all remember this from when you were little kids if you're you're playing some pretend game in a blanket fort or something. Maybe you get together with all the other kids and you think okay. Well, this is your role in this is your role and that's your role and you know, and here's what we're going to do. Here's going to be the little drama will lay out. So kids are very good at that. Once you can get the rules abstracted. You can talk about the damn things instead of having to kill each other and you can also update them in principle. Run simulations of what would happen with the update which is basically what an argument is or a debate and then you can Implement them. And so hopefully you can get rid of the stupid updates before you actually Implement them and die because you implemented them and so the other advantage to abstraction either in drama or in articulation is that you can transfer the rules more more more efficiently so you can get the kid to act out the rule but you can also say here's the rule and you should fall. In multiple situations and then they don't have to learn purely through imitation to embody that rule across all possible situations. So whatever advantages abstraction has the pulling out of the moral rule system from the underlying Behavior has those advantages and disadvantages the other disadvantages while you can come up with a perfectly good reason why you shouldn't keep doing what your forefathers have done for 20 centuries, you know, because it doesn't make any sense. Well it does you You just don't know why and you know, you can easily it's like the Mesopotamians last week. We were talking about remember. The noisy God's killed absolute. They didn't know what the hell he was good for. It's like, you know, he's their Shield against chaos. He's their tradition. It's like well, we'll just kill him and see what happens. It's like you better be careful because lurking behind your tradition is chaos and you know, you might be the master of chaos, but you're probably not so look out now we got some clue from the Mesopotamians what the master of chaos was like the master of chaos was a new kind of God who had eyes all the way. This head who could speak magic words. So there's a there's an attention verbalization communication element to that and the Mesopotamians figured out that thing should be at the top now. That's it's staggering insight to think that because it also might be right. It's like, okay, what should you follow? Well, the first answer is follow the damn rules why well, because that's what people expect and you won't get into too much trouble if you do that, but then you might say well Well, sometimes the rules are wrong or sometimes they don't apply. Okay, that's definitely true. Then what well that's a whole different issue. Well in the Mesopotamians would say that's a really good time to pay attention and to confront the chaos voluntarily and to communicate about what you're doing and to reformat the world restructure the world as a consequence of your confrontation with this chaos, and that's that's a higher density and I think it's the god of attention fundamentally its Thing like that, but it's more its attention plus articulation plus communication and that would be the highest. So the Mesopotamians would say that's the highest God. It's a hypothesis. So to the degree now, I wanted to tell you the rest of the Mesopotamian story so cool. So you remember that market goes off and Congress time at puts it in the net cuts her to Pieces makes the world. Okay, and then out of time at has organized this Army to go against Marduk and his and his and his and his army. And what time at does when she goes out to have a war is she's at the Forefront know she's sort of behind the scenes maneuvering and manipulating everything and she puts she creates this like all sorts of Monsters the worst monster. She can think of and then of all those monsters she picked the worst possible monster and she puts him at the head of the Phalanx that goes into battle and his name is King who So mardik defeats him to it. So he's like a he's bit of a precursor of Satan. He's like he's at he's the agent of chaos, but he's more embodied, you know, anyways martic makes human beings out of the blood of Kings who which is also extraordinarily interesting idea because it's very much like the idea in Genesis that was picked up particularly by the Catholics that human beings are characterized by original sin right were made out of the blood of the worst monster and I took me a long A long time to think that through I thought what the hell what what? Why would they think that and I think the reason is that because human beings are the only things on the planet that can deceive you write like everything else is either the way it is or you just don't understand it. It's not like the garbage can isn't trying to deceive you there's things about it. You don't understand like it's subatomic structure, but it's not actively fighting against your comprehension. Whereas human beings they're Lee different creatures and it's definitely the case that along with our capacity for abstraction and self-consciousness. We immediately evolve the constructability for high-level Intrigue and deception even see that in kids the smarter the kid the earlier they learn to lie and you can see that's that's you can't separate that from the capacity to spin off alternative simulated worlds because that's what a lie is accept. If you're doing it in an online manner, you're trying to spin off a world that actually represents the real world better instead of trying to spin off a simulation that get allows you to avoid responsibility for something. So I think that's so it's interesting that you know, the Mesopotamians also were very cognizant of the fact that there was something in human beings which is fundamentally the capacity for deceitful and evil action. That was also something that really had to be contended with but they also assume that Marduk was the That so that's pretty cool. It's very implicit in the story. So what happens so the emperor so the emperor lived in a walled City because cities were walled at that time. And the reason for that was if they weren't walled then The marauding Barbarians would come in and kill all the men and take all the women and burn the place to the ground and steal everything. So, you know people weren't all that happy when that happened. So they built Big walls to make sure that that was difficult. So that was order inside the walls and Chaos outside. Side and Chaos was out where the barbarians are which is still what we think but what would happen to the emperor at the New Year's ceremony was that they would take them outside the city walls. So they take the emperor who's like king of order they take them outside into chaos to remind him that even the emperor could is is surrounded by chaos. So then they'd strip them of all the clothing and symbols that made him emperor. And they'd make a meal and then the priests would make him recount for the last year all the things he did that made him not a good martic. So he was supposed to embody martic. That was what made him the emperor to the degree that he can embody the attentive and communicative force that could keep chaos at Bay. He deserved to be Emperor. So that was that's idea of sovereignty right of lawful sovereignty. It's a brilliant. It's brilliant. They take them now the Miss is the Emperor might forget that he's supposed to be Marduk and he might just be you know guy with the biggest hair out who's stealing everything he possibly can which is really not what he's supposed to be doing. So they take him outside at the New Year's Festival when the world was going to be renewed which we still do right because it's out with the old Year in with the new that's when you make your resolutions to be a better person, right? So this is an ancient ceremony. Okay out you take the emperor strip him of his Emperor close. So now he's just, you know, some dude you have him kneeling there and then you'll walk them with a glove to just remind him that he's not boss of everything and then you get them to recount all his sins basically but the sins were okay in the last year. How did you fail in your task as a representative of Marduk on Earth? And so then the Hypothetically would tell you know, everybody why he was allowed and useless and six different ways and promise to be better. And then the Mesopotamians would take statues out of the city that represented the gods that we've talked about and they would reenact the Battle of Marduk against chaos, they'd act that out. And then at the end the emperor would sleep with a ritual prostitute like so she'd be like a temple virgin representing the benevolent element of femininity and then Then they go back in and have their year start now. It's very much like Saint George and the Dragon you think about it, right? You know the st. George and the Dragon Story say George Goes dragon has captured a virgin and st. George is out there. He's going to slay the dragon and free the Virgin and that works at multiple levels of analysis simultaneously one level is the guy who's best at keeping chaos at Bay is going to be the guy who's most attractive to women because women are smart. So that's first that's like the archetypal level. Or that's the story. That's the biological level. The archetypal level is even more abstract. It's that the the dragon time at is a representation of chaos itself and chaos is something that's deeply informative. So the dragon has gold or it has a virgin depends on how the story works out when you encounter that you free something of value and that's something that you can you can incorporate you can have that's more like the treasure variant of the story. It's also Good, if you kind of spread it around a little bit so because otherwise, it's an incomplete story. Okay. So what's happening? What's happening? In Mesopotamia at that time is many many tribes are being brought together. They've all got their own mythology and everyone's trying to figure out. Okay, how do we benefit from the fact that we're all going to live together without having to kill each other which is the standard human problem, right? Because it's good to cooperate but you don't want the foreigners upsetting your your your horse cart and and you don't want the whole thing collapsing into chaos. So how do you balance that? So what you could imagine Ellie addict called this the War of the Gods in heaven, which is a very common mythological Motif so you can imagine if you will All these tribes have their own culture and their own representation of that culture often in mythological stories. They're brought together. Where does the War take place? Well, if it doesn't take place between the people which is what will happen. If they can't cooperate it's going to take place between the representations. So what's happening is you know culture has got a story and culture bees got a story and the story is kind of are the same and they're kind of not the same and so you think well then everybody Smile, you've got your garden. I've got mine. It's like, who are we going to pay any attention to here? And what answer is well just kill you that'll be the end of the problem my God winds or another issue would be well, we'll just let everything drop into chaos, which in some sense I think is what happened to Rome. It just ate so many gods that could no longer survive or we're going to figure out how to get along together. Well, that means your story and my story have to be brought together. So their commensurate now one of Of the things that's quite interesting is that you can actually see this happening in the oldest books in the Bible. So the Bible is a collection of books, right? And there's a lot of books that were sort of Bible like that didn't get into the final version. The people are arguing about which should be in and in what order so the books were written and there's huge arguments about what should be included and what shouldn't and what sequence they should be included in and these arguments went For thousands of years that major league arguments, but if you go into the into Genesis, for example, and you look at the story of Adam and Eve what you find is it's not one story. It's at least two and maybe three and that's been identified through cycle linguistic analysis and also through anthropological investigation. And so there's version 1 and there's version 2 and then the guy they called the redactor who's a hypothetical character or denies these stories cut them apart and sequence them try to keep both in some order that made sense. And so what he was basically doing was taking two Traditions whose stories had some archetypal similarity, but whose whose details differed and he's trying to make them logically coherent so they can fit together and you think well, why is he doing that? Well, the answer is we either get our stories together or you're a slave and I'm a tyrant or the reverse or we kill each other. Those are the options. Well apart from Pierre disappeared. Into the chaos, which is, you know not going to do either of us any good either that's kind of a nihilism. It's a real threat to human societies. So that's pretty cool. So the war between the Gods in the heavens is something like this. It's like the top left-hand representation is too simple. We know that because when you're doing something it isn't when that you're going from point A to point B, and you act that out because sometimes you're working at a much more abstract level. You might say well I'm trying to do well. at University Well, how do you move your body to accomplish that well answer is that's the wrong level of resolution to answer that question. You'd go try to do well in University. Okay. How do you subdivide that I take five classes? Okay for right now, you got it subdivided down to five classes. I do the readings in each class. So that's getting closer to behavior. Right? How do you do the readings? Well, I open the book and I move my eyes right? So then you get then you're down to a Low resolution level of representation. But so when you look at the thing on the top left, it's really more like the thing in the middle. It's nested. It's nested value orientations that ground out in action and how those are going to be nested. Exactly. That's either War discussion that determines that war thought or discussion. That's it. That's what you've got. And if you can't do it with the first two thought And discussion the only recourse you have is war or the degeneration into chaos, which will produce War anyways, so and then there's a further transformation is which is well if I could do any of these three things to further my move forward. which takes priority now, you're solving that problem all the time or you can't act and sometimes you'll actually see this in yourself, you know sometimes If you're driving somewhere, you're not sure whether you're going to go straight or go left. You kind of go you flip between them, you know and confusion. Well, you're not going to go anywhere. If you're doing that. You have to make one more important the other than before you can act. And so whenever you're undertaking any action what you've done is organize the whole hierarchy of values so that there's no contradictions at the level you're operating or your Frozen. And so you're making value judgments all the time. And you know, this is like should you go to the library or should you read your book at home? You know, or maybe Should you be studying for that course or this course, you know or when you're really feeling desperate should you be in that discipline or should you be in University or should you be alive? Right that's when you should visit very seldomly, you know, you want the local problem to to to dominate that that's well if things have got very disorganized you're going to go all the way to the top. You know, what's very very hard on people to do that. So societies have to get their priorities straight which Is there value hierarchies and an individual's due to and then if you're looking at how that happens over the historical time span you're going to think it's the Battle of Gods of the Gods in heaven. That's the higher and that is what happens. It's the right way of thinking about it. If if if there is a transpersonal space, that's the imagination in which these Long-term discussions in battles take place you have to represent that somehow so you would think about that at least in part is the collective unconscious. And the collective unconscious is here's one way of thinking about it. The collective unconscious is all those behavioral patterns and presuppositions that we share. What are those? Well, we don't know we write we don't have a full account of that. We're trying to figure it out. So, okay. So these are different representations of this so they want on the left at the top. There's another representation of what constitutes Authority there's the there's God Father you see he's kind of got a little pyramid hat on which I think is quite cool. And it also I think helps explain why the damn Egyptians were so obsessed with pyramids, you know, it's a it's a it's a hierarchical structure up here at MIT and they thought about that as something sacred and there is something sacred about hierarchical structure. The question is what's the structure and how should it be structured? So there's god with his little pyramid hat and then in front of them, he's got a cross and I think that's in an orb that represents the world and then in front of that. is a dove and the dove is the third part of the Christian Trinity and the dove represents the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit hypothetically is You might think about it as the action of conscience. It's something like that. It's the manifestation of tradition and the capacity to update tradition in you. So there's a personal element of to it. So that's why the dove is a thing that communicates between the Heavenly realm and the Earthly realm fundamentally something like that. Now you see that on the American dollar bill, that's pretty cool because what they've done there. Same kind of idea except the top of the pyramid is detached from the bottom, which I really love because what it's making this claim that the thing that's at the top of the pyramid isn't part of the pyramid and that's a bloody brilliant. And I think that that's an observation Egyptians first got right and we're going to tell that story here in a minute. It's that Think about it this way. We'll go back to the game idea your kids playing hockey and you say Be a good sport now, then the question would be if the pyramid at that point is the hockey game. If he's a good sport, does that mean he's going to win the hockey game and answer that is no, it doesn't mean that what it means is that he's going to win the game that goes across multiple sets of games across very large spans of time. And so it's not really part of any hierarchy. It's something that's above them all and that's the best game to play so At least that's the theory and you know, even in that representation, there's an eye. It's like pay attention pay attention, you know, the Washington Monument at the top of it has a pyramid, you know, and there's a cap on that pyramid in the cap is made out of aluminum and you might think well, why would it be made out of aluminum and the answer was when that Monument was made aluminum was the most precious metal on the planet because people had just figured out how to make it. So they made this nice cap that rep was even more precious than gold. So what this what the symbol is that The thing that's out the top of the pyramid that isn't quite connected to it is more precious than gold and that's an alchemical idea to and it's right. It's right. It's not a metaphor or it is but it's a lot of things we think are metaphors aren't there just descriptions of things that are Level. We don't understand. Yep. Because it keeps Chaos and Order properly balanced everywhere and and I all we'll get into that more deeply as we get into these stories. It's a very good question, you know dancer that you sort of have to answer. Well what constitutes sacred and and what I would say is the more unshakable a truth the more sacred it is now you might say well how do you know if one truth is more unshakable than another? The answer is what you got to figure that out. And so what I'm presenting as far as I can tell is how people have figured that out over God only knows what's what span of time. Like it's a hundreds. It's a hundred and fifty thousand years for sure of actually trying to figure it out and then the dominance hierarchies themselves man. Those things are we know they're 400 million years old. So we've been working at this for a very long period of time so and I would say well one of the things that sacred roughly speaking is how you keep that thing intact and transforming because if it's intact and static it just falls apart. Because their environment around it changes, right? So what the hell good is that you can't play the same game forever, but you have to play a game. So how do you do that? Well, that's the question. That's why I'm going to tell you the Egyptian story. So what time is it? This is a good time for break and then I'll come you come back and I'll tell you this Egyptian story, and it's a great story. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler k --a n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. What's up? Everybody? We are back AfterBuzz TV for power season 6 episode 9 titled Scorch Earth and Q is in the building play by Tyrone Marshall Brown. Let's go. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the easy. There we go. And we back at it. I just come from what's up everybody. This is Robin hairs. It seemed an Jimmy V. Okay joining us via Skype from New York. He plays a character cute boy. Winston please. Welcome Tyrone Marshall burn. All right, so your characters back. Alright, so you were cast. I remember doing a reading about this around 2018 saying that you're that you're that you were cast for this role. So tell us a little bit about this character. He's very mysterious, you know, a lot of people keep asking me questions. You know, who is he working for the feds? And yeah, he's very Serious at this point he has a daughter. I feel like he's very lovable like that's why he keeps coming back to Tasha. Uh-huh, and he's a go-getter. So it's gonna be beautiful to see everybody see everybody's reaction to how everything unfolds. I mean, is it safe to say you're pretty much a Dead Man Walking. Speaking of that before we get into that. There was someone on Instagram Niecy X. Sana said wanted me to ask you what color casket do you want? Okay, so Now I'm 50/50. So at first I was like this this do cannot be that dumb to want to be this Captain save-a-ho do to this girl that he barely knows and she want to take out the husband of someone that he does not know. That's just not that's just yeah, I don't smart. It's not smart. But at the same time I got some questions for you so bro, so where's cubes daughter? So cute brought Q came to the to the day care to sign up his daughter for the daycare. We ain't seen a daughter where she at once. It's not a play children. It's a generally it's going on down in there. Yeah, right, but but it it goes to it makes us Wonder or makes me wonder that if you actually have a daughter and that you were going there to set Tasha up for something that was a little later because because like I said, he came inquiring about The daycare. Well, he had we haven't seen him since episode maybe four or five. He's not coming in. He's not coming in often because when he came into the office Tasha was like you what are you doing? So it's not as if Q comes to pick up his child every day. So I wonder does he even have a daughter is this just bullshit? I love how much thought you put it in Japan. If you know what I mean because Tasha as I said before so this is not a shock don't get on me. But you know Tasha when Wendy I see Wendy Wendy. I see comes to Tasha. She can't sing. She has invented. She has invaded cute like she did Ziggy. So I'm just saying it just now all makes sense that cute is working for somebody and he possibly could take Tasha down and she goes to jail because where's the daughter? Hey, I don't know man. I have no idea how it goes. Okay? Yeah real quick T. I would like to know how the audition process exactly. What went on man it you said exactly. I'll tell you exactly bro. Yeah, so I found out about the character front of the about the role and then I got a call about the audition I went in and to be honest with you. I read it at least six times. Yeah, because I felt like the audition material was from my first episode episode 4 and Just You know just like you guys see on the screen is very mysterious. I feel like things were very ambiguous, you know, and so as an actor, I really had a piece a lot of things together. I was like wait, he's a construction. He has a daughter he's coming in. This is you know third for time in here. Okay, cool. So who is this guy? You know, and so luckily the casting office. They were very, you know, sweet and patient with me. Let me do it a few different ways for different times. And and that's what I believe now. I feel like I have the confidence after coming off a love is to say, okay. I'll try that one more time. Try this. Let me play a little bit, right? Yeah exactly switch it up. Yeah, exactly. So I really wanted I really wanted to give them a different few different takes on the character and I let them decide which one they thought was best. Well, I definitely think that well many people because clearly reading the the comments from all the fans. Everybody knows that your mysterious we can't figure your character out. And so it wasn't until you did a good job. I want to say that because you mentioned that that he's mysterious and so obviously it took you a while to kind of create this character. So that's the way it's clear across the you did that well, but I got to say that it wasn't until this episode because first I just thought he was like a Playboy or you know, like, you know, like I thought he'd there's a true genuine interest in Tasha. Right? Right, but it wasn't until this episode that I was like, okay, he might have a little bit of Thug in him. You know what I'm saying? That could I don't think that ever since he got on the scene? Yeah, okay, but then so One actually had a really good question in the chat room Paloma says because basically she now cute wants to protect Tasha from ghostwrite. Paloma says why couldn't he protect her from Zig we need first came through. Where was you at? Because Tasha didn't and that's another thing so asked him to brother from Ghost either in another question that I want to ask is so you go into so you go into the to the daycare which look like it's after hours. So she keeps the door unlocked or whatever. I'm not going to be That petty but so when so when so when Q comes in he says that he heard about what happened, right? How did you hear about? Yes, because it is it the talk on the Block. He's weird. It's very intuitive. You know, he's very intuitive as I'm sure you guys have picked up on even just, you know the episode last night, you know how quickly I picked up on the bruises and stuff and I piece things together qqq's like he's out there, you know, he's out on the street. You know, he's construction worker and there's a few other things that Q does to make ends meet. You know, how similar is Tyrone to queue? I feel like when it comes to the Romantic life very similar. I've been known to really pursue what I want. Sometimes a default and I maturing from that little bit. You know, I definitely have learned my lesson. I've gotten some bruises and stuff. But I feel like he's very passionate. You know, nobody does very passionate and that's that's no that's me. So I was just gonna ask were you a fan of the show before you In the cast and if there was another role you could have envisioned yourself in or you would have placed yourself in if you had carte blanche to pick any role to take over. That's a good. Yeah, I mean is power power is a very iconic show mean. It's changed the game for stars. Totally. I feel like it's very Dynamic, you know, just the characters alone. You know, they're there The Duality Within These quarters so beautiful and I feel like to be able to play something like that would be Ian come true. So I think many characters would be a character sink your teeth into so it's hard to pick one. So yeah, I've been a fan for a long time. I've known the Tory for actually I meant that or 11 years ago. Yeah, I met her like actually like about 12 years ago at a McDonald's audition Marshall we bumped into each other on the street when she was doing Broadway and stuff like that and then we lost contact and then I ran into her at a Labor Day party and then we you know, just hey I was going on with you and stuff. So I'm I was always a fan of the talent on the show and I think the storylines which is impeccable. So, I mean, I think it's safe to say that just looking at your face. Weird talking and discussing you don't give anything away quite easily. So I mean it's safe to say that we're going to watch cues roll unfold something is going to go down. I mean there's a ton of theories. But you know, would you agree that it's going to be like on and Poppin and just a little bit that will have our answers or questions answer here in Stanton. You know, I wish I could you can't say anything specific or give us any details, but apple is Will we be at some point satisfied that we understand cues place in all of this at some point? You don't have to get anything specific, you know that can mean many things. Yeah. Yeah, I think at some point you all be very happy. Hmm. Okay. All right Blake two times. I have one more thing to say when you talked about how your character is intuitive. I don't buy that did you stand and let me explain why? So when Tasha went into explain about how when after you after you came in and said you heard and she talked she was talking about how she was going to lose their place of business. The first think you did was blame. Is this your ex-husband. This is before he saw the arm because she shouldn't cheer Retreat. So he you're not that intuitive know. He's he's a Fed. Oh, he's a fit. That's the only other person who was there. Was an epiphany not even when she goes to she was she was out. Okay, okay, but enough of that so we just want to talk a little bit about you. You were in a movie for BT called angrily Ever After and so for anyone that's available on BET on demand. You guys can watch that. Can you tell a little bit about the character that you played on it? Yeah. I play ran Joiner my character. I I own am a CEO of a media. Company and I bump into someone I knew in college one of my peers and she's doing her own thing on news and she has a huge blow-up with her career and personal life and I come in and save the day off for a job my my spot and I do have some some strange ways of going about it. And so we had a little falling out but then at the end, you know, you know bomb took a while. All right. So, I mean obviously, you know, we touched on your acting skills, but let's talk about you as a person and even you know, now I tell everybody anyone who's been on power as a character and whether they're off of the show now or still on the show. I'm sure their lives have changed drastically as far as people recognizing them and you know, just different things like that. Can you talk to us a little bit about what your day-to-day life is like and if power has changed anything like that for you. Are you Cognizable, you know you got you got the ladies calling your phone. I mean we what's up. Hey, so yeah, to be honest with you. My day-to-day life has changed a little bit since power. I mean, I think in general, I think just you know where I'm at in my life aside from Show Business to stuff. I've started to meditate. Yeah, I'd rather take care of my mental health and spiritual health as far as getting recognized. Yeah, you know, it's kind of crazy because I'm a pretty Private person. I know soon as power came out. I shave my face and just had a mustache and it was long big it was longer than this. I kind of wanted to just like still enjoy just being you know, not Amis and here and there would happen is happening more and more often now my face is I've grown out just soon as I walk into my building today tonight actually, like five guys will stand outside and that all I heard was power. I turned my head. I'm not gonna shit. I don't turn the head. Don't turn the head turn my head. I don't even know why I live. Right? Right, but I think it's crazy crazy to me because when I was in London about a month ago, I got recognized are more than I I gotten reckon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was wild over there. It was wowed, you know, like just getting attacked at times but I can only imagine what happens to you know, Natori and Amari. I mean, that's the whole different longer tie. Um, I would just like to touch upon the meditation actually because I started meditating for I started last July and I've seen somewhat of a change just as far as like my stress levels as well as my anxiety goes. Have you seen any changes? Yeah, I have, you know, I recently had a breakthrough and it was very powerful for me borderline emotional. You know, what's funny? I think that the Tipping Point for me was you know power came out my first episode of powers came out right before I went to DC from my premiere of English Ever After and so there was that was but also the premier and it just you know, again, I'm pretty private with my life. I'm new to social media and all that stuff so to speak and so just the way people approached me it kind of whoa. Okay cool, you know, yeah, I got you. Sure, and then some people were a little aggressive, you know, and it kind of just I felt like my stress level go up a little bit. I know for me I knew there was no malice, but I'm like well, let me just take care of this before, you know things go along because it comes with the territory, you know over whelming at times, right? Yeah. Yeah, you know because you all you do want to be nice and please people and stuff but I feel like I also want to make sure that I'm taking care of, you know, and whoever I'm there with my loved ones taken care of. I'm at the Forefront so but yeah, I have seen some changes how I view myself and how I perceive the world. Yeah, so you talked a little bit about mental health, you're an advocate of mental health and talk to the talk about the importance of it for you. Is there anyone that you know specifically dealing with it or you just think in this climate in our generation that we're just not talking about it enough. I think a little bit of both, you know when I was in love is and I was going to interview And stuff and people would ask me where can we see you on next or we can work. Can we see you next and my first response no matter what I'm doing or no matter what I'm up to is hopefully walking in a brighter light than you saw me the day before because that's me, you know, I mean, this is all great. This is wonderful, but if you're not intact here and here it's it math fool talking about, you know, it's a very scary thought so in as far as do, I know anyone that's dealing with I feel like most of us are be honest. And I feel like we find ways to hide it masks it but I feel like most of us are dealing with things on a daily basis. Yeah. Yeah good for you good for you. I love a brother. So it was really great chatting with you talking so many things about power and what's going on with you. Can you let everyone know where you could be found on social media? Yeah. My Instagram is you can find me at Tyrone Marshall Brown and I don't really have a Facebook page. Delete that Long time ago I opened it back up today. Just do a business one. I'm trying I'm trying to social media thing. You know, I'm trying to get the whole thing. But yet Tyrell and Marshall Brown on Instagram and I believe Twitter as well. Okay. All right cool. So we want to wish you all the best and we really hope you make it out. It will help you care to make it out alive after the season finale. We hope yeah, right and most of all we wish you that your that tomorrow. To be in a brighter light than you are today because that's what she said. So yes, it's all of us. Thank you. I appreciate that. I just I just told you bro. All right. Okay, cool. Sounds good. I'll try to figure out how I can see that. Thank you so much. All right, so, all right, so let's get into it. So, all right. So so James walks in as Tasha an epiphany are handing as Epiphany hands. Drug money and that she's earned from the strip club. And then we see then ghost or James at the school with mr. Ragnar. He looks creepy as fuck right or was he? All right. Yeah. He's on drugs completed. Yeah. And do you think also notice that there was something off with him? I don't know. A lot of people said the guy looks like Zac Efron. Yeah, if you guys know me, okay, so so those things led up to the big argument who wants to go first. Me neither I'ma let y'all go so I just thought it's interesting that power went to the extent that we saw some Island exactly, you know, and we did see something. I think you brought it up high like to bid had called. Look Keisha like Oh, I'm a put hands on you on this episode here. We actually saw him put hands on Tasha. So the messaging has changed this season in a way. Is that supposed to be at a desperation? I just For me as vicious as ghost as we know he is we've never seen him be that physical with Tasha quiche or any of the other women on the show. So I guess we're led to believe that those that's how emotional he is because Tariq is in the game and he doesn't want that for him, but it just seemed a little off of it for his character for me but kicked off a bunch of other stuff. No and see I don't I don't feel that it was off. I felt that I felt it was justified and I see exactly why ghosts decided that Yeah, go ahead. Let me say this If Ever I find out that someone is selling drugs to my child. I don't care if it's mama. Oh we gonna have a fucking problem. And therefore it goes had every right. Okay, so if he put his yeah, no, no, he ain't yes. Yes. He did. I let me explain go ahead he had Every right to and again, like I said from a parent perspective, if you find out that that that someone is selling drugs to your kids you are going to go off. I don't know any parent who when I want to do that. He will go completely off any of this in addition to that again. Why is it so difficult for his wife to not sealed your estranged doesn't matter. Why is it so difficult for ghosts to take care of the household? Why was it so difficult for goes to divorce Tasha? For he got involved with Angie. Why was it so difficult for ghosts not to pursue a relationship with the federal da before he got himself out of the drug game. Why settle for ghosts to see who Tyreke for who he really is and deal with that instead of trying to blame Tasha for everything that has come along and they're all being they're both. They're both blaming each other. And again, let me just go specifically to the point of of this whole notion that this is Tyreke. No Tyreke is not a fucking drug dealer. It's not You know, no it's not it is he is he is he is a spoiled kid who's mad that his dad wasn't there? So he wants to get back with his dad and he wants to sell drugs. He's not about the life. He's a spoiled rich kid and versus Ghost and Tommy and Tasha. They had reasons to why they had to they you know, they grew up in the streets. What is type? What is three weeks motivation for being a drug dealer, please answer me. What is the motivation? Why is he a drug dealer? He just wants to get some money. Here's the thing. No one is saying that it is a right choice or it is a good choice. It is simply his choice. Do you know what I mean? If he wanted to holler he could have done that. So as concern is his anger and his problems into basketball or sports or a girl he chose this he chose this even after his uncle who he knows is a murderer at this point told him stay out the game Godfather, you know, however you want to term it he chose to continue doing this. So at some some point Free Will takes effect with everyone and he is not at the age where they can just lock him down clearly because if they could they would have if he listen to Ghost if he was so much the person that goes believes he was he would be listening to ghost ghost hasn't been with Angie time is manipulating the shit out of him because why it's okay. I understand that that is how we got here. But the question that you initially talked about was about ghosts putting his hands on Tasha. Yes, it is. It is not justified. It'll never be justified by me again. We don't life and I hope your future wife is watching this that you know that you could possibly go there and take it to like physical getting physical because because it's so crazy thing. He took it way too far in actuality. Like he worshipped more. He's had more my fault he if he's had more reason kind of go on to what you were saying. And before Jill like he's had more reason to go off or be desperate or go like Way Beyond before this point, you know what I'm saying? He did not have a reason to do that with Tasha into your point. You're saying if I ever found out somebody was selling drugs to my kid or whatever then go find whoever it is that was selling drugs. Like if you want to take it out on somebody and you know, he's in the game go take out some people he didn't put his hands on Vincent. Yeah, go take this out if he knew if he knows what's up because at this point ghost knows what's up if he does if he if he knows Go handle your business elsewhere, but don't take that out on Tasha. So we can you disagree so we just going to attach to slide, huh? It's not that look at my point is will it I stood before you write and I standed now is that she said like listen, I'm probably probably I think I'm the other one know that I had you have a child. Yeah, so I have two kids and I'm saying if my gave my kids, you know, we're not even there yet. My kids are young and all that stuff and God forbid that they would they would ever just say this is my life. Mom no matter what you do no matter what This is where I'm going. I'm saying from a mother's point of view she sang so you don't die. So you don't get killed out there. Then I'ma show you the right way to go right or wrong. I can understand where she's coming from as a parent. That's what I'm saying. And I stand on that before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a catalog of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV as a parent. I also cannot allow if I knew that my If I knew that some okay anyway, so my question is what Vin is the what is the what is the other point? What it what would you do in Tasha's position? Would you just be like I will go out if you got to do drugs then get out of my house. I don't want to be associated with you. Would you just keep doing every single day to wreak no suits Rick? No see I think the problem with Tasha is Tasha refuses to leave this life. She is stuck on she is sucked. She is stuck on wanting to live. She's not living a lavish life, but she But she could do what she listen we got more stuff to talk. We do not go. Hang on this. Oh, well, yeah, so he goes and says that he will that he will take you as a way and that he will go. Reporter so then he goes and calls blocking them shows up to the daycare. The money was the the drugs is not there. Do we have a question about that? Just I think we were talking about had just earlier. Okay, it's just that it just seemed like she knew to get everything cleaned. We don't know what she keeps in the the daycare but nothing being there. They just rolled up. I just seemed a little I mean Tasha smart, so maybe that's just always our plan. But where is it? Yeah. Well, I mean kind of to that. Point and I think we all kind of everyone felt this that I I understand that we have to wrap this season up I get it but it felt so rushed this one particular episode. There was just so much involved in it that I feel like some stuff kind of fell through the cracks and that's one of them, you know and speaking of that. So now moving forward so so Tommy cash and could even just really quick. So we see Tommy devastated with the with the Keisha. I just had another Petty question. So when You showed up to the new house that car was blue, and then now we're back to him having this yellow car just showed up to the house with the kids when the kitchen when he bought the house. It was mentioned something about that episode. I think the two different cars. I thought maybe they just had my dear Karzai internet guys, so we don't need to go into Tommy's reaction, but just any thoughts of Jesse Williams playing Kadeem, and now he's going to has cash. He's going to look forward to seeing more of you. That on exactly one one appearance. I expect to see more of him in the last five episodes. Yeah, so then also Blanca confronts Tommy we can move on with that one. So now we go to Tommy Tasha to we can go so Tommy goes to Tasha and Tariq saying the ghost can't be killed because it because Jason and so he is trying to take pieces of him. And so basically the consensus of that one was Tommy is saying that they don't like this new ghost and that he has to die and that he has to be killed and both times. Sure and Tariq both agree. Yeah, I mean it's at that point, especially once to recruit learn that goes put hands on him. He's like, okay. Yeah, that's fine. But I was just a huge fan of how Tariq was just handling the whole situation because he clearly new favorite word foreshadowing because I told goes to his face I will kill you. So I think that that is something that in some form or fashion whether it actually plays out or we think that that's what plays out that It's going to come into play and and again going back to this going back to this to reconvince Tarik. I mean the boy is even cussing at his mama. I mean God damn, right? He's a grown-ass man for he was getting caught by everybody. And the only reason that he didn't die was because of who his parents were but he's his own man. I don't think it's that he's grown or we think that he is smart and necessary. He's making but it's very clear. He's making these moves independent of himself and no one else can talk him into things and he feels like he's a grown man and I think but just kind of want to go back to that one scene that you're doing that I told myself. I was gonna go in the live chat. Oh, okay. Sorry. Go ahead get it. So one of the thing that I liked was the thing that I like about two weeks character if anything right is that he really is portraying ghost a little ghost like heat because ghost is known for Keeping his composure at all times really knowing what's going on. No matter what. So even when Tommy is talking to Tasha and tariqa, he's saying ghost has got to go and look Keisha died and all that. Tariq is literally sitting there peeping game. So before he even said that he knew the Keisha died, you see it in his face that he knows. What's up, right? So I do like that. I like how they're you know, whether call it a his great acting skills or if this is how they built him up to be his character. I really do like that and I just think the last scene of the actual We saw our Tarik innovate graduate into he's legit on his own as a man because he said you were you were never my father and I think once he said that it's like okay boom. Yeah headlines. Well, if that's yours has a maturity because it's like, you know, come on. Yeah, like you looked up to your dad. He's fallen he's made some mistakes and I'm not saying you should fall out for that. But you were never my dad. He was a father to you in life. And so you're mad at his actions and his Motives but I understand you just want to take a dick but that to me show the child in him too. Good point you want to you want to say something these chats or enough? Agree with us M JB X says Robin and Jill are both way off today. So, you know, thank you for your opinion. And that's just the name of the game. Right? So, you know, you know, I was getting up was just the name of the game. You know, I'll remember that. This is a television show. It's a TV show but it's a TV show but there's a lot of there's a lot of reality of what we're watching. If you really think about the context of the show of how the relationship between the black male-female relationship. This is very serious. Which is why you have a lot of people who? Yeah, so emotional they'd rather die for Tasha. Then write it back for goes they ride or die for Tommy for Dre. I mean, let me let me just be clear because I know we have a little bit of time left. I do I will never cook because I watch I witnessed domestic violence growing up. I'm the type of person that if I'm driving in my car and I see a man on the street a random person and he's going off on a woman. I'm the type of person that will pull over my car and be like, what's up. I'm that woman. Sorry that before and I'm almost got beat up. So I'm just saying I'm not I'm never going to put myself In Harm's Way But if it's a situation that I can get in or if I call the police or I'll do whatever I can. I'm not a driver buyer. I'm never that person who will even condone it and be like, yeah, but I will say this to you man. I understand. Yeah, we're ghost was coming from I understand the frustration of like I am trying to save my kid. Why aren't you trying to save our kid with us? So he was to a point where we were talking. About again, I believe he's been in Far dead more desperate situations even with its own life, but it's something different when you're trying to fight for your kid, right? And this is the mother of your kid. I understand how you can be like good is if you guys ever seen the Kevin Hart Joker, he's like like a woman, you know, I didn't want to do that. But I get that I just feel like he took it way too far. I mean, even when she said I'll scream and he put the thing. I mean you saw the rage in his eyes, you know, I just don't condone that the thing that you know, what pisses me off the most obviously most people the little the Push at this most. Yeah, I thought that was actually see this is this is my problem with the overall thing. She is trying to kill her ex-husband. He doesn't know this but he/she. She's trying to add his nigger killed but he won't take her out if need be to he was trying to like, here's the thing. I don't know. I don't see between them ghost doesn't have any loyalty to Tasha he and it's overweight now, that's all why not even before this happened because he Was like you got to get out and I don't think you're covered. I don't I don't think yeah, but if you leave if you know, she doesn't have a job. She is kids to take care of and it's just like we'll figure out how you're going to get some money. No, you're not killing her but you're leaving here for did you're leaving her to make choices that A desperate person has to make so well, and I'm not gonna justify. I'm just no no, I was just gonna say it speaking of choices. She did mention that she will tell the cops about Terry silver. I think that's what really took him over hold, you know talked about the Because now you're talking about my freedom now, I'm about to go to jail and I think that's where he just went over the top but had me already had he already called the cops on the daycare before that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he did talk. So let's let's talk about how oh, yeah. So let's talk about how everybody snitching on each other. But of course, you know, Blanca and sacks roll up to Tasha's house and then they questioned her and you know, how can we get Ghost and we saw her if not for the First time this series she actually broke and she snitched now now when Courtney gets her next week, hopefully I have a problem with that because Courtney says she doesn't do flashbacks. We've seen flashbacks three times. Well, yeah, it doesn't make sense. But yeah, but which I think what she was saying that bit like flashbacks to where we've never seen Howard. Yeah, but they would do with in here but you know, but again, they that Cooper and and block a really Got to Tasha because she basically ratted and said that ghosts killed silver know we talked about this off camera Robin hit it and regards to Terry silver. Is he dead who killed some hidden? Yeah. Okay. So let's go back to that scene if we're it would correct me if I'm wrong didn't Tasha and Terry silver have sex in that garage and then go saw that or they met up. I don't know. I thought they had sex right? They didn't have we don't know if it was that garage, but he implied I'd write F oven and then go sees a Natasha Lee's ghosts go sees Terry so so obviously then we notation we're tracked also because the blanket like they were tracking their phones Blanca mentioned something about Tasha. That's how Tasha said. I was having an affair with Terry silver. That's how she let Blanca know that because they were tracking their phones. Okay that too. Okay. So we saw that ghost he was there and so everything implies that ghost killed tell her Terry because he never showed back up again or whatever. He was just dead. But now that that whole weird scene where top three awkward, yeah in and Blanca a lot of it where she was like well if you take a left on, you know the drill it was like maybe the floor where it actually gave me the feeling that she may have killed him. I don't know how possible that is, but it was weird or just a stereo. Yes. She knew something. I mean because I don't I don't understand why she would know exactly where your body is and then also so to if she knew exactly where the body was or why not go 50, why not go take care of it at some point all before all this leading up. You know what I mean? In addition though wouldn't Hasn't there been several times where she was like when she went looking for Terry? Yeah, and everybody was saying goodbye. Yeah. Now does she know pretty much right where he were a point Robin with her cell phone. She went to the apartment. She went to the law firm. So something something about that is very strange. The best scene was just unlike a power. That's all it just it just wasn't right setup for something else. I don't know what it is, but there are some Easter egg dropped in that. I'm sure we talked about the conversation. With Tariq and goes right? Yeah. All right. So so Dre read it he read it out on for Tommy at the warehouse and he read it on on Jason. So let's go to let's go to goes buys the building for the qpc and let's talk Jason versus Ghost. I was upset of how Jason died. It was weak. Just like Benny to which I'm sure what what get into but like if you thought you thought you thought that was weak. Benny was nothing but but you thought Jason was yeah cuz They made him seem so Superior or eat, even if not Superior the same level as ghosts and at one point during the fight. He had the upper hand, right and then all the sudden ghosts gets on top and then boom, you know kills them. So I was just upset that. Maybe I just wanted them to make it a little bit more dramatic. I got my sentiments exactly about Benny and Tommy. Was just like this big old badass. He comes with a knife. He brought a knife to a gunfight with you. He's got a gun he shot his ass. You just quick Tommy Tommy, you know, I was just like I was very disappointed in that but I know that they had Lisa Marie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She got nobody was okay with the elevator scene because the goal was for goes to shoot him and then Tommy, you know set him up because he thought that that that Was killed Keisha but the question but the million-dollar question is Dre has nine lives who just nipped this he could just never know. He didn't have a day the fuck he get off the rooftop where I ran the master keyer. Now, I come top got out the building. Yeah. Yeah and then gerace niches on ghost, too. Two sacks and then sack says hey go put this in ghosts apartment. And then whoo, how does he get raised inside the apartment and get into the apartment? Right? It's for sale room. Yeah, but it's pretty clear that they all have their ways of getting around like, you know, like Dre they all know how to they're there. They're like professional Hitman. So I guess a logic of that is they could they can make it happen, you know, we do turn it in. I mean and I appreciate that. The only thing is that if you know watching all five seasons of this show, Out there are very strategic moves they seem to make when they go for a hit or when they go to plant something and not seeing them. It makes it feel like there's something else in those spaces that we didn't see just by the nature of the way the show is laid out. Yeah. It's so funny. I was looking at Drake Drake new crew and I was like, they look like the 90s group as yet like because I actually do want to talk really briefly about a question that someone I brought up that I thought was really good. There's two more topics of questions, but go ahead. Yeah. Okay. So let's get into Robert on our Instagram page our power after plug page so that everybody who didn't join us over there. Yes. He said Kourtney Kim said that the first 10 episodes asked a specific question that the last five answer. So what's the question? Could it be that ghost goes legit who killed or shot goes etcetera wouldn't whatever it is. If they decide to kill ghost then a lot of fans will Scorch the Earth, okay. What's the question though? That's what he wanted to know. I mean everything is about final betrayal. So simply whatever the definitely yes ghost dying Tommy going to jail and we find the answers to that these next five or some and you know, who rats something like that. I yeah, you know one of them isn't going to make it out. Okay. Yeah, I or more yo if ghosts guys the internet might go crazy. Thanks again. Tom's going to jail. That's what I'm going to jail. I think that that can happen. I think Tasha's going to jail really quickly. So let me drag I've done enough Dragon Natasha. Let me drag a body and it's Benny drag tubing and Francis. So these Negroes and friend the same person. I need them to be consistent like bro. If you're going to be in the clicking I need you in every episode. I don't care if you don't have died. I need I need you to be in the background and then they just nod your head I had to do something. He was stepping up your ex and I we were was here. Where was he when black grimaces around so I need consistency of which two hours country. I thought to bit and Tommy we weren't seeing eye to eye now. They call him meet me at the spot. Okay, cool. So so that also goes to show how stupid they are. There's a difference between guys who sell drugs and then there's people like like ghosts who are drug Distributors because they're upset with Tommy because they think Tommy said I'm up so you think Tommy is really that stupid to where he's going to sell them out set up as Indians as he's there. Do you expect Tommy to go and say hey, yeah. Just yeah just dump so really quickly Ramona Tate and James any questions before I go to you guys games was going into Politics Nation attempt or success, you know, because lieutenant governor and seems Stretch, but I do have one issue with what happened. I have a problem with I have a problem with how ghost well go through the necessary. He did say to Ted. He was like you're going to see my next move tomorrow morning on the news. I don't like playing your cards before its time yet. And then Ramona straight up did it though said the same thing? Yeah. I was just like why you'd say, you know, because you're now you're leaving being opportunity for him or Methodist or opportunity for him to try to come after you, you know, try to sabotage it something like that. So I don't like that part. So we saw Mona play both sides of the coin. Yes. There's also one one scene. She's liked a time with you a hundred percent later on though some with you a hundred percent. Obviously she ended up choosing ghost. But what does that say about her character? She always It's been good. She's always been Joe. Hey, those are tools we know why she was playing take. Yeah, and we knew she was playing till she positions herself with the other thing. I don't feel anything about that. It was just like it was a combination I think on this episode and then I thought some foreshadowing cuz Tate said, he's got a plan to get rid of James Mona said, what was the plan? He said? I'm not going to tell you now only time will tell so I think that's going to be some James's demise you agree. Okay. So before we go do we Have any predictions anyone have any predictions herbals TV predictions one more episode y'all right? And then like, how long is the break will be back in January? Yeah, they haven't they haven't announced when they're coming back exactly where there's the schedule there is no schedule January is no but yeah, but we're actually going to be determined but I think it does and we go on I'm only prediction now is I'm really I really think Tyrone is he showed his hand to me q q yes. He cannot be that that dumb. I just I don't he can't be that dumb and the way that he's just assuming the questions and just always blaming ghost and you don't even notice dude, you know, dude, but again, I have to drag talk to you just for a quick second if she can she never mind. All right. So listen before before we go you guys wait says hashtag killed Tasha. So we are done a mission to kill Tasha. She is the bread that hashtag. She's not gonna she's not going to die that tagus. That's is your own is me being petty after after what she did. I just you know, you getting it getting in his face and saying all what you're doing and then I'm just curious because I know we got to go because you have something very special we have something special for you guys, but it's go strong at all. Yes ghost ghost is wrong with but the but the overall the overall thing of y'all can be Do this until you 70 like ghosts mapped out a perfect plan. It's not like they're poor. Well you have now all this opportunity to you're right. They're not poor. He ain't giving her no money. Here's the thing was that she is trying to go legit. She's trying to she's trashy was trying to go legit. But then as it came up in the picture go ahead man. All right. So everyone I have a film that I produce in that I star in it's called Uncle. It's a bucket list. Yeah, and it's coming out on November 26 Jimmy's in it. Yeah. I was going to introduce you man. Oh God, I want to do it. All right. Yeah, exclusive film Premiere Uncle as bucket list. Let's play it. Let's do it. Do do do where am I Uncle Ed? Calm down you here at home. They called and said you have the enterovirus. They said they don't know if you have more than six months. The female bucket Bingo number one teach a yoga class two rappers while high on scissor. This is my life associate Ashley make a hit rap song because I missed it in the brain and Ole Miss a number when the veins are popping up what you got. Are you I'm glad the music video. 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Episode 9 "Scorched to Earth" with special guest Tyrone Marshall Brown. The panel discussed how every character is snitching on one another. #PowerTV #Crime #Drama About Power After Show: Follow our POWER AFTER SHOW, to see how our hosts follow a man who successfully lives his crazy double life. We discuss this extravagant lifestyle with all the surprising twists that occur in the show. Subscribe here for in depth discussions, reviews and recaps including some of your favorite cast members. ABOUT POWER: The series follows James St. Patrick, nicknamed "Ghost", owner of a popular New York City nightclub. In addition, he is a major player in one of the city's biggest illegal drug networks. He struggles to balance these two lives, and the balance topples when he realizes he wants to leave the drug ring in order to support his legitimate business. It appears James "Ghost" St. Patrick has it all -- a drop-dead gorgeous wife, a stunning Manhattan penthouse, and the power and success that come with owning hot new nightclub Truth. But a closer look reveals a man living a double life. When Ghost isn't tending to his Fortune 500 business, he's catering to clients of another operation: a drug empire that serves only the rich and influential. While loyal sidekick Tommy protects the cash-cow narcotics venture at all costs, Ghost's new reality is using Truth as more than a front to launder money. It's a way out of the drug game and into a legitimate life with his family, even if everything he loves becomes unknowingly threatened. "Power" is co-executive produced by Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson (who also co-stars) and show creator Courtney Kemp ("The Good Wife").

Hi, I'm Tony riddle. And this is the natural life stylist podcast. So way back in December. I had this crazy idea to run from Land's End to John o'groats in just 30 days, but I wasn't just going to run it. I was going to run it Barefoot to raise funds for environmental Charities and collaborate with world-leading experts to raise awareness and money for six organizations fighting the top sustainability issues of our time. I knew running Barefoot would raise many are socially extreme eyebrow and with that eyebrow-raising behavior, I would be able to provide a perfect platform to highlight the importance of connecting with our environment and those key sustainability issues of our time. So P. Let me introduce you to the man. That is Roger right Roger right is a packaging technologist with over 20 years experience designing out waste and designing in solutions that work Rogers inspired by a future where the activity of packaging is understood more holistically and can evolve within the context of an effective circular economy. He also believes that when packaging is integral to building a successful brand costing only attempt of the goods it Text and promotes but with a net positive impact on the world. We should all love the last 10% Roger and I spent a fair bit of time together and I feel I learnt so much from the conversation and if the conversation wasn't enough to go by he also join me for the final 10-mile run of the day and an ice bath workshop with Arthur pauling's and Martin but choose from the knights Collective anyway enough waffle. I hope you enjoy the sustainability chat. So I'm here with a man called Roger Roger, right? Good afternoon. Good afternoon Roger. So I know Roger through you've heard me talk about in multiple podcast now about your hoody Gordon and Roger is the son-in-law of you who Dee Gordon initially this year. There you go fishing. So Roger Get married to your hoodie. Obviously the way I said, that was like married to Tanya of course. Yeah, so I wrote is here from M&S. We're going to be talking about what I'm going to talk about Roger. What are we on for? Well, I want to just quickly say why am I here really clear? Why are you why am I here? And what are you doing? What are you doing behind the mic right now? I'm the son-in-law of the great your hoodie Gordon. I think we can call him your student. Can we I've 79 years after I think we're both students where all let's put it that way. I learn just as much from New Year's. I think it was your hoodie introduced me to you. Yeah, and we did a bit of we did a little bit of work before and most significantly after I had a bad road traffic accident. That's right. Yeah, and you literally straighten me out and then more recently you told me how to run. Let's cover this goodness. Let's just let's go back to the car accident happened in the car accident because that was quite well that's quite a big thing talking about sustainability is about how do you get back from that? Yeah. Well like I was crossing. Zebra Crossing on the way to work on the way to the station to go to work. It was bit Dusky. Yeah car approached from the left. I thought it was slowing down. So I crossed and it turned out they weren't they were slowing down but not for me for the bend that came afterwards. Wow, took my legs from under me. I had no idea. I had no clear sign I was going to happen. So I went straight up in the air and I landed on my head like that literally took all the work my body weight on my head. Yeah immediately stood up in the shock. Of it all I think it's amazing the adrenaline right? And you know, I was trying to feel my body and thank God there was some a passerby have to be a nurse said stop sit down. You might have done something a lot worse than what they should obviously happening in my head. Yeah, and she looked after me into the ambulance came and and luckily of course. I didn't have any severe injuries. I had a very nasty head injury, but that that healed up. I've still got a nice scar on my head. Yeah, but my back and my neck were Scrunched up really badly after that and and I and when I first saw you obviously I was coming to see you because I was a cyclist at that point. Yeah, very hunched over. Yeah, and I needed a better posture but that acts that accident made it ten times worse and you know, and it you helped me a lot obviously straight straighten. My back Chumps show me how to stand and how to walk and then of arc's I recently met I had to run so I'm I've been doing a lot of running recently thrilling and in the vivos of Course. Yeah, man, and that's part of the reason why I wanted to see on this on this is we going to get the run together are more be nice. But the thing is the thing I noticed when you will have occurred to me when you posted about this adventure, I see real. I realize that you when you were meeting all these people throughout the journey. Yeah something that would be coming up a lot would be plastic waste and plant and in particular plastic packaging waste. Yeah, like zero waste is it would be topic for people right. Now a lot of people sustainability people who Look at what really concerned about it. Mmm, so I thought when I wonder if I can add anything to the conversation. Can I come and talk to you about trying to tell you what the industry is doing? Yeah, because some people may not realize there's a lot going on in the background maybe not as quickly as some people would like what it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because people expect things to change overnight. It's got we don't have much patience here. Do we and it's that and if it was to happen overnight, could you imagine the cost implications? Ian's of that and the next complaint would be all this is so expensive now, I we paying so much money. So it has to be almost like drip fed in a way, you know, so yeah and it's interesting because I was people like me packaging technologists who design I just got to start coming in such a great title isn't it of packaging technologist? I love it. Well, I started I started my career 25 years ago as a packaging designer. Yeah, I would physically design the packaging. I wouldn't do the graphic designer. I could physically do that the structure of packaging. Yeah, and then more recently the Ten years. I've become a packaging technologist. She's basically you're not only looking at the structural design. You looking at the specification of materials how they're made are they other sustainably sourced, you know, and all of all of the technical aspects as well as the design aspects, you know, that's that's the job. I've been doing for the last 10 years with in a retailer in a major retailer app to BMS at the moment. Been there eight years. So I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of change over that this is twenty year period 25-year period 25-year bid but eight years with M&Ms. Since day one I was trained as a designer to make the most of the of the materials given to us. Yeah, it's in it's in our packaging technologist designers. Just just use the mitt the least amount of material possible. So it's already in that DNA. It's already in our DNA. Yeah and until recently we were kind of we're in the shadows of these big organizations and the David Attenborough came along blue planet to and suddenly actually you're the guy you can probably help us fix this and do something about it. And actually we were work people. I have been working on these ideas for 10-15 years and you're like behind-the-scene fine and you can bring forward these ideas. You've been working on hmm. Probably that it back back and back many many times because now it was so much more important. Yeah, not only from a cynic leads from a PR perspective and your reputation as a company is is it's a threat if you don't do something about it, but actually a company like Ms. Just wants to do the right thing as well. And most of the Retailer's do as well to be fair. There are there. The likes of me are now are now helping all these companies big retailers and brands do the right thing. Yeah comes to plastic packaging. Yeah, and I guess like I said, the other thing I want, you know get across you today. And the reason I'm here is I wanted to try and tell you if some of those tell you about some of those things. Yeah not because I'm a I'm not an advocate for the Plastic industry by far from it, but I think people need to understand that there are unintended consequences of potentially, you know, switching out plastic into something else. Yeah might not be the right thing to do. Okay. Good to have that conversation and isn't it? Yeah. Come on, so let's do it. So there's probably there's probably four things that we do as an industry and in specifically I do + Ms. 2 and then week after it to drill a bit deeper into that. If you want to please you first thing we do and as I say, it's in our DNA we try make we try and just we try and remove plastic wherever we can and we've been others obviously as I say we do that anyway, but the Blue Planet effect has put that on steroids in the last 18 months. So we desperately trying to look at we turn over every stone look, Bit of packaging. So what can we just take off because fundamentally that's what we've got to do. We've got to just remove plastic. It's very difficult because we're we're potentially hamstrung by a supply a long supply chain. Yeah brutal Supply chamber products potentially get damaged or or go off, you know, get soiled whatever so we have we work to work within those constraints at the moment and it's I'm a you know, I'm a I'm a we're trying to work as well as that we're trying to just reduce the amount of packaging as well. But actually that's not that's not a sustainable. That's not sustainable in the long-term. Yeah, because if a if a business grows and you've reduced say a certain amount of packaging on a certain line, you still going to produce more plastic going forward? Yeah, because you're just generating more plaster you might have reduced it by 10% But if you're selling more stuff is Ukraine more plastic, so we recognize that as an enormous tree. That's not the SEC. It's the right thing to do, but it's not it's the first step so Factoring in it with growth at the same time. Yes, second thing we obviously the second thing we do as far as this is more recent really in our industry is trying to redesign the way it works. We've got to sort of re relearn Plastics rethink how we use it and try and redesign if we can that supply chain that I described as an Achilles heel for us so completely reinvent almost for how we sell products. That's quite difficult when you know, we've got some examples of that the third thing we do. If anything we are doing as an industry, all the retailers have got together and all the brands and we voluntarily have agreed through consultation with the government to pay a lot more money for the collection and clean up plastic waste okay in the country. So we pay a roughly about 10% of that at the moment as as retailers the new law which will come in new laws, which will come in over the next three years could could times that by 10 so typically a business a big retailers. Two to three million pounds for that at the moment. I've got to 20 30 40 and 40 million pounds that businesses will be asked to pay well and we're happy to do that. Yeah with one caveat. Yeah, we want to see where that money goes. So we want to see that money going into new infrastructure for recycling. Yeah, or for where the resources are whether we want to physically see the want to see what what that means spent on. For example, we if compostable packaging becomes a thing we want an infrastructure for compostable Packaging. Oh, yeah, like we were having that discussion earlier. I was I didn't realize that doesn't exist at the moment. So basically what we're discussing earlier is that you know plastic bags. Who is it by who's at the moment coops, they've introduced compostable bags which are great. But if the refuse company turn up and arrive and they see it then they may be pulling those out right but if they're left with in the compost, then they're compostable, but if they pulled out then they're not so until everybody switches to compostable bags. That model still isn't trusted. Right? Yeah and what capabilities great actually because that's what there is the slowly introducing that bag into into into parts of the UK that does have food waste collections. Not everybody only 60% of the UK has food waste Collections and only about half of those trust the bags that they getting in the in those in that way. So the coop are doing a managed approach to that but they're also lobbying government to say come on guys. Let's have a compostable system that works because there's nothing at the moment. Yeah because it's like It's the first conversation. We added a podcast we had which is with Hugo tag home. So they were one of the big voices in amongst that that the getting the surcharge on to plastic bag the 5p charge put onto plastic bags and that's a matter of changing legislation again, because otherwise people would just be going in and grabbing plastic bags anyway, and firstly, you know to the cynic it was like, oh people just going to pay five pence but no it made an 85% reduction difference. So it has to change it again. It has to be the bigger picture. It needs a change at that government. Level there's at least the fourth thing. I think that we tried to do as a company. Let's change behaviors. This is this is the hardest of the for things to change behaviors. What's normalized? Yeah, big bags is a good example where M and S actually introduced a charge for bags, you know before it was law so probably at the same time its surface again soon as you're doing their thing. I see you already charging before the law changed just we had a charge and we were pretty reduction in baggy. Use there you go and then because of who we are people tend to sort of Watch. Watching - and they will tend to follow but obviously the law had to have that they're all had to change for everybody to be to do it. Yeah, and there's still more we can do. So, can I ask what Ms. Would do what were they doing? So he enjoys juice introduced a charge of five piece a paper bag. Where does the where with the five-star talk about traceability? Where is the 5p go we used we put on to chapter 2 for Charities. Okay, and that that now that's mandated in law as well. Yeah. I've got to pay a certain amount to a charity so we did that. And we could we continue to do that it all for our food bags that we still sell running but we've just just last week actually we've opened a new store in Clapham common. I think it's clap all my videos near the station. Okay, brand-new store completely plastic free of bags. No bags why and something else that was interesting. We actually introduced a water tap. It's not revolutionary is it we've introduced a water taps people go for refill their bottles. So hopefully we can change we sort of change behaviors. What a shift. Oh, It's all happening. Isn't it? It's like it's only one store. Isn't that good budget, but that I mean surely that should be or it should be on the news or it should be on some kind of advertisement already because that's that's how you bring around that's being the change and then others will have to align with that won't know because we start to get into that competitive corporate kind of model eventually. Don't worry, you know, there is a there is a there is a thing that out there that companies big companies are scared of talking too much about their their green initiatives. I saw piece of art this fear of being called Green washers Yep. They're worried that they'll be client. They'll be greenwashing the Yoke of the you know their customers. I think they're all good thing. Yeah. I think I read something about they're also concerned that you know, some of them are doing amazing work. I mean absolutely phenomenal work, but it isn't a hundred percent traceable. So their concern is we put ourselves out there as this sustainable environmental brand then someone's going to be able to pick on something, you know, and it's a bit like the individual isn't it? You know. There is that that can happen. Yeah, you know, so we've got it we've got to try and change behaviors and there's you know, there's a number of ways we can do it. So we've done it on bags trying to do it with water if we can, you know get people to you don't need to buy any cell wall in the future who is going to buy bottled water in a supermarket. I'm not sure that's that will be a thing but it does the the convenience of the product and the packaging is so good because customers aren't easily going to change what they do and that that That's part of the problem in a way. Yeah, I think it's again going back to Hugo's conversations because they're bringing in, you know, they're fighting for legislation and moment of around bottle Banks right plastic bottle Banks and then at least you know, that that plastic bottle Bank the Plastics can be recycled inside the upside called let's say, you know what part of that part of that if you know that 40 million potentially that we pay as a retailer more part of that will be will go into the DRS system. Our system has been launched in Scotland now. Okay deposit return scheme. Yep, a lot of acronyms in retail very sorry. That's good DRS the DRS deposit deposit deposit return scheme to posit return discussion idea right back get you to remember taking four bottles of pop back to the newsagent, but that's that is that's customers got to think I got to be bothered to take it back but this could change behaviors but not just on bottles. It could potentially become. Um more ingrained in terms of what sort of other what other things could we take back? Could we could we be renting our packaging in the future all of them potentially while because we because we we have deliveries from Rivard I'm River for they can't come in Kabul box every week and we please put the comment boxes back out. They take the cardboard boxes away and upturn the new new the new boxes. Which again is a great I think a great system great model and if I'm right River Ford also this suppose this goes to the wider Point River don't Tell you seasonal fruit and veg is that these were some of the you know, they can do but I think in the UK which suffer a bit, you know, people would just get sick of eating Brassica group. Yeah. So I think some of it does it he does ship it in France Spain, but I think there's a there's a again he's the ethical part of that. That's that's two standard. I think because I think a bigger conversation we have to have as an industry. And and with the customers is the carbon footprint of what we're doing. Is counterintuitive to some of the things you think about? Yeah, the carbon footprint of a plastic bag is so much lower than paper bag. It's not even funny text. It's tiny compared to paper bag in yet. You feel like a paper bag is the right solution that actually when you look into it, that's let's reinvent what we're doing and over some old wood plastic. Let's try to remove bags all together or do something really different rather than introduce. Some things actually could be worse for the environment. Yeah, one more towards what I wonder what look what's the carbon imprint of the compostable bag then how does that work pretty high? So if a plastic bag is one on the scale possible bag is fully a 3 or a 4 and then a paper bags probably 9 or 10 looking at the An impact. It depends what you do with it, of course, but that's roughly where where it says so you can you can imagine on a bigger scale the impact if suddenly a big Supermarket changes to paper bag overnight and it suddenly gets to a confusing conversation that doesn't it because plastic bags going to be around forever. Of course, aren't they, you know compostable I guess would be the answer then if it's a three on the scale. Yeah, and then can we offset that? Yeah. Yeah, you know so that another guy I want to introduce you to Michael. Actually. I need to be Michael Thorne's and the Other days, he's a CEO of carbon analytics. Did he used to work for this myth I rang and I recognize that name. I think I think why I used to work for a couple days Smith and I think Mike maybe in the maybe the go Britt still really brain again. I mean for all businesses even down to the coffee shop. Now, they're you know, it's a big big companies down to the coffee shop. And so that you could go in and you could look at let's say it was a sandwich for instance that sandwich they can tell What the carbon print is of that sandwich versus another Sandwich versus something else which is going to be incredible when it moves in that direction. So then that comes down to the individual then making that decision to which would then drive. This is what we want to be selling based on. Yeah people's preference you get ya get into human behavior again, aren't you? I mean, I can't I can't I'd love to say to all our customers go vegan that's going to save the planet that's going to reduce our carbon footprint and massively. Whoo. Not nine people are going to tell me to go away one person might give it a try. You know, you've got to make that decision for yourself to you know to change the world if you like. Yeah, of course. Yeah, so I went I went meat-free and milk for you this year kristaps just stopped and I'm loving it. It's brilliant. No sir. That's even a mean that's a huge conversation itself because I had a I did interview with someone. That's the ethical Butcher and we talked about holistic management. So holistic management if you imagine you had like the grazing And original you around an apex predator that would move the animals around right? So they if you had a field this big they would get the grazing animals and they act like the apex predator and they move the the animals into the into this segment. Let's say right into say a twentieth of this square and then the animals are then just their grazing grazing Gray's poop mush it all in. Yeah, and that's sequester's carbon, right? So there's this this there's a conversation hasn't quite come through yet. There's more to it. There's a bigger picture there. I am discovering more and more. We're that holistic management. It sounds very interesting and then you can move onto land. That's basically it's not being used and then we can start to change change the landscape again. That's the thing about compostable of I degradable Plastics. Yeah, if you don't do that, you're sequestering the carbon. Yeah for as long as you can keep that material in the system. Yeah, you can reuse and recycle plastic over and over again. That's that's locked up there soon as you put it in a compost heap a carbon is a is entered atmosphere. And that's one that's one of the disadvantages one of one of the few disadvantages of other biodegradable or kumbhaka pasta the papers this packaging. Okay. Clearly, we want to keep that in the system. That's kind of the the recycling is that way down the hierarchy. Yeah, and so is compostable really you really want to keep that material in the system if you can so we do a lot with doing a lot of work to try and put recycle material into our products where you can and customers are coming around. As well as historic as for example, we've removed the black food trays. I'm sure you don't eat actually don't even microwave meals but a lot of people do yeah and those protests are likely would have been black. Yeah, and they're very difficult to recycle not impossible but very difficult. So when our a couple most retailers now come out of that black. Yeah wait Rose to their credit have now said to customers actually might be might be pink this tomorrow about the yellow the day after it might be a different color basically because we don't know necessarily what recycle its Coming into the system. Oh, wow, take whatever we take whatever we can get and here you get a food trade safe. It's clean. It might be a different color tomorrow. Don't worry about it. You go back five five years or maybe even two years Market is our gun. That's no way. I want my I want my black try and I don't want it to change color ever. So now that's the customers are coming around to the idea that things recycled material is a good thing and it's still a safe thing to have your and as you say it stays in the system exactly. Yeah, so we're working hard, too. To make sure we recycle material into packaging and one very exciting bit of technology that isn't ours but we're using is a system. Whereby any of the nearly nasty horrible on recyclable plastic can now be turned back into a what is called plaques basically a waxy oil which is basically you turn that back into plastic again. So there's a dis technology exists. I think there's a I think one of the local authorities and in Scotland has now got one of these machines and the way that this In design is modular. So you can just be bolted onto any existing material recycling facility. Mmm. It's relatively inexpensive and it cracks the cracks of classic down to it's almost its constituent parts and K into oil and then potentially you can use that again either as fuel or as oil to make something else. This is quite new. So we are we've launched a take-back scheme in a stores where people can bring all that nasty plastik Baptist oratory was really impossible to recycle and we're sending it to this plant to turn it into the oil before we do that. We're going to Turn it into playground equipment first. We need the first batch for that and then hopefully we'll roll this out. So that's like introducing a Dr. Dr. S. I suppose it's a stage before the day is its. It's summer if they can if they want to bring it back and this is where the in behaviors comes in. I want to persuade all our customers to bring all of their plastic back. Yeah, because they almost need incentive sometimes telling everyone I can listen, you know, once a week all your nasty plastik in a carrier bag tie it up bring it in and put it in the tape back box it store and that all of that guess genuinely recycled it not going it's not going to shift to China not getting burnt or landfilled is actually going to recycle it. Something that could potentially be remade into another plastic. Wow. So this is excite the stomach's reading over and over and over and in loads and loads of innovation out there. And if if nothing else Attenborough and it will the all the wave of quite rightly, the criticism of that ocean waste is pushing Innovation now really really strongly so people like me can actually go brilliant we can put some of these ideas back into the market. It's amazing than just its root. So reactive, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. He's we know that and then people like yourself to have been proactive for certain amount of time then it's like wow. Okay fine. And finally, we it's happening but I suppose you just take us out. It's like a setback after okay fair enough. I don't I'm not I'm not I Told You So type of person no. Okay. Let's that's being patient in the process. Let's revisit these at these ideas. Yeah something I did probably six years ago is I grew packaging add mushrooms. So we did a trial that we can actually grow. Packaging in a dark space. Yeah in the mycelium. Yeah just react but you've put it in a mold. You can mold into different shapes. So we did actually did it and we can use it as protective packaging. So when you get a don't know our washing machine or a big it had big heavy item in a box that needs protection is yes, rather than having that horrible plan polystyrene around them on the plastic packaging. And yeah, so we you know, we do we were doing things like that years ago. And now I'm I'm reintroducing that potentially into into our world. You know, what Well, no, it's just one of them. It's one of a hundred and you know hundreds of different innovations that we can now revisit, you know, so I you know, I wanted you know, I wanted to get across that there is a lot going on here, but there's so much positive stuff behind the scenes in there, you know, and I think for anyone listening is just you know, again, it's being patient with in the process and understand that yeah, but what your what Your there's change what you're doing and what's happening out there with surfacing sewage and everybody else is brilliant because it just it makes people stop and think Hmm. Should I worry is that bag? You know by a bio reusable bottle instead of keep buying a bottle of water. Yeah, and at the same time just be patient with yourself from remove anxiety. I was saying earlier, you know, there's been occasions when we've needed plastic bottles on this run. He's just there hasn't been an alternative and I could easily go into Aang. Oh my god. I've got to do this but, you know be patient with the process and just give yourself a break a bit, you know, and I think until as as we say the bigger players and legislations change and Things Are just normalized then that that voice will quiet and anyway, so with everything else that's going on in the country. This is this stuff will happen. The new taxes will come in retailers will start to pay a bit more. Hopefully, we'll see the infrastructure develop. So one thing our government has promised to do is to mandate food collection food waste collection across the UK across England, but it should should follow throughout the UK. Okay, which means then you could potentially build behind that you can build a An infrastructure for compostable which are biodegradable packaging potentially if you could put it in the food way so that yeah, so then you can tell everybody you could potentially have everybody using the same kind of packaging and all going into the right to the right place. Wow. You just want to make it too complicated for customers. I mean, I see you see those you see there's been some times where there's probably five five different holes and you've got to think oh, which yeah exactly. Yeah. We need to simplify that they just want one being for the recycler and it gets dealt with and it gets done. Properly hmm. Ideally we'd want to put it in the first place but what's left over we can physically recycle. Yeah. I work a lot on in.com e-comm. Yeah, and any business will tell you that's that's where the growth is. The only anyway, it's the only place of the growth is. Yeah. So a lot of the nightmares you see is econ packaging big boxes for the fresh air, you know, and a lot of waste up here a lot of waste there, but that is something that we're working on to. So we're looking at trying to improve Move all of that. Yeah, I appreciate it. You know James here. We had a issue James bag and lost the Drone and the laptop and cameras and new stuffs been delivered. Yeah and just watching just that just the amount of packaging that comes through we order on Amazon. It arrives really is this is this necessary? Well interesting Amazon of just it just about to make it policy for them. Obviously everyone who wants to sell stuff has to use Amazon now hmm. They've made a policy. It's Idea, they basically said to the likes of you know, the drone maker. Yeah, what we used to do your packaging is to come to us. We'd over wrap it and send it to a customer. Actually, what you've got to do now is make that packaging fit for a fit for the whole journey and we mandate that if you want to work at this, you've got to make that packaging right for the whole journey. Wow. Well, I wasn't really do now is just is just like touch pass it on to the customer. So there's no extra packaging going on that drone box for you. So they first from a certain weight and size of product. Act from the 1st of October. I think that it's mandated if you want to work with Amazon, you have to follow this process. They call it frustration-free packaging frustration through its names nice, but it's a brilliant idea ffp, you know with you whatever you whatever you think of Amazon. That's an actually brilliant. That's a brilliant idea because it just makes people think about the end to end piece of packaging rather than just adding packaging throughout the supply chain, you know, I can see that I can see other big online companies following that then - got anything in place. So you can look at the full traceability. Is there anything coming in there that's in terms of packaging. Yeah, I mean we're already were already fully traceable so we know exactly where we know. I mean we produce a hell of a lot of paper packaging. Okay, and we do something called the would report every year. So we actually can trace all of the paper obviously come from word back to back to almost the forest. Yeah, and in terms of plastic, we've got a we've fully we trace it back to the producer of the plastic and so for the customer they can find that anyway, well, they They can if they choose to ask okay, but we don't we don't publish that information. Yeah on website. We what we do do we have a we have a map of our vendors our product vendors. Yeah, so you can see where all your products coming from. Yeah, and then after behind the scenes, we've got all that you've done all that due diligence on the packaging as well. I think it's well worth doing because I you know, I I did a workshop with Lululemon. I knew lemon, you know, and they would get their invited me in and I went in there personal shopper eiders young this. Eddie take me round. She just I think these will be great for your think. These would be great for you. And then they go make a cup of tea and then out. I went anyway posted about it because it was a nice experience and I'm doing a workshop with them and I've got some clothes out of it and then someone posted in immediately. Oh immediately about sustainability and Lululemon and I wasn't right Curtis have a look. So when you go on they again, they go all the way through it. So what we're trying to be as transparent as possible. Here's we did a full carbon. Port in which every year and it's all this all there if you look you can find it and I thought that was brilliant because it was actually an opportunity to say well again, you can't expect a company to change overnight. It's a massive organization. But these are the things they're doing in this is the direction they're heading in you know, and we can see that we report the reporting of what we do is really important to us. Yeah, we're not so we're not perfect but we're working hard to improve that, you know the transparency. So yeah, we've got that got information. Yeah, man, anyone wishes to find it is to have it sounds like doing amazing what this stuff there are no stuffed. We've discussed already on those blows me away because it's no two days are the same when you work in packaging. Yeah touching every part of the business. Everybody needs packaging everybody. Everybody somewhere needs someone how to get something from A to B. Yeah be to say, you know yours and your the people that you know facilitate that so it's a it's a fun industry and it's even more interesting. Moment with everything that's going on. So I say bring it on anyone has got issues with plastic bring it on. We're happy to help. Okay. What do you what do you see the progression over the next let's say five years whilst over then. It was coming over the next five years from a packaging technologist ice prediction from a from a from a meta level. I think reusable packaging is going to be more and more prevalent in our world. I mean one thing I obviously we have a big fashion business and the next thing I think from a fashion point of view is is rental clothes. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Jasmine was talking about rights with rental close. You're going to have you're going to have usable bags. You're going to have to have products going back to forwards constantly. You can't have single-use plastic on those products. If you become a rental business, you've got to have a reusable system and I think people go are deliver happen in the UK. It's happening in the you in the state's leather happen here, but you will it will be massive and that's something like that will drive reusable econ packaging or reusable web retail packaging and I think you'll see an already seen that in there. Food space as well. Yeah, she seemed weak usable form a sort of being played with. Yep. I use a company called Splash a lot detergents. Yeah, they send it to the post to look it fits through the letterbox. You buy one bottle you'd walk you got that for life. And all you do is drop in the reuse the the concentrate into the bottle if I degrades in the in the Hope in the water really got your kitchen spray in your toilet toilet cleaner, whatever you've only ever used one bottle. I want some Brannigan's blush Splash. Okay, I should really be right You Gotta Kill Ya, but there is a great. This is a great the pioneering in when I only reusable solution the bottle is reusable, but the actual product of sending you is so much more sustainable because it's coming to the post. It's very small and light and all you're doing is adding water to it or mortal and you've got your product right there really still things like this happening all over the place in little pockets. Yeah, so I think the big the big thing for us so message trying to find Opportunities. Teas for recently usable packaging because in that hierarchy of what we saw the hierarchy of need. I think the first one is refuse. Yeah, like today I refuse that water bottle. Yeah that lady kindly gave me a favor of this. Yeah. So we've got to be more vocal. So we will you when you get when you get mile through the pace you don't want you should you should say I don't want that. I want that waste paper. I didn't ask for it. So we should refuse and then we should reduce and I've hopefully demonstrate we are doing enough to reduce. The can yeah, the next one is reuse. Yeah, it's trying to use as much as we can. And then the last one on the last one on the lot on the ladder is reuse. Sorry recycle recycle. Yeah, that's it's not bad. But it's the least it's one you should choose last. Yeah, you should be doing is over 3 some people actually say the fitness a fifth one and that's rot. Yeah, so if you can't recycle it, then it can rot in the ground safely. So that's moving towards compost dust discussion of compostable. And so if you like the hierarchy r55 Hours. Yeah, right. I met a lady and read her book. I got a little beige beer Johnson. Yeah, you might you might know her there. She's a French lady lives in California and she lives completely zero waste distance note and she Jennifer she puts in a kiln the jar that big the waist. She generates every year. It's incredible. Does she have a family she has a family that's incredible things. I wrote I look at it and you know, We're doing our best right we're doing what we can and but there's still from a family perspective. It's like way like it's it's tough, you know, we even did no nappies with you know, we smashed it. But even then there's still by the end of it. You're like look, how much is in I've been I'll take you into a Instagram post later because she's amazing and okay. Well if information for us all really an MMS is a business of said we will try and be a zero waste. This by 2025 that's a brilliant statement. Right that's massive to be able we're already zero waste to landfill. So that's an anything to landfill as we stand. So M&S is zero waste Elena wait, there are a fan film now. Wow, but in 2025 our ambition is to be zero waste business in its entirety that is that is a massive ask when you think of all the stores and all of the people that we have and not packaging is a tiny part of that but that's brilliant. That's where we're at where we're heading, hopefully and that's how I started. A good place to call it a day that that's amazing. I love that keep posting. Zero-waste Eminence zero waste, that should be out there. That should be a huge statement on their right man. Thank you very much really boom. So I hope you enjoyed the sustainability chat as much as I did Rogers a legend, isn't he find out more about Roger? Check out the show notes. And if you like the conversation and please show some love by spreading the message wide and far. If you're new to the podcast, then please go back and listen to the previous episodes. And it also really helps promote the Pod gasps. 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So peeps let me introduce to the the man that is Roger Wright (LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roger-wright-7bb40126) Roger Wright is a packaging technologist with over 20 years’ experience designing out waste and designing in, solutions that work. Roger’s inspired by a future where the ‘activity’ of packaging is understood more holistically and can evolve within the context of an effective circular economy. He also believes that when packaging is integral to building a successful brand, costing only a tenth of the goods it protects and promotes but with a net positive impact on the world, we should all “Love the Last 10%!”. Roger and I spent a fair bit of time together and I feel I learnt so much from the conversation. And as if the conversation wasn’t enough he also joined me for the final 10 mile run of the day and an ice bath workshop with the Artur Pailins and Martin Petrus from the Nice collective. Anyway enough waffle - I hope you enjoy the sustainability chat.

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Anyway, so this week we're gonna be talking about birthday. And as usual, if you get almost every topic we choose you can say the hell of right before you say the name of the topic, right the hell of pet mom's the hell of birthday parties. That's what we're doing this week before we get there that we want to do some housekeeping acknowledge some of our patreon supporters us. We have a bunch of cool levels. I promise we're getting some merch together. My sidekick is really gonna kick up his efforts. It's actually been a little bit more complicated than I initially anticipated, but we'll get you guys. This is where leg Works comes in, right? Elbow grease. Oh, thanks Mike. Yeah, good morning. I hadn't I hadn't put the so even without the the merch which we promise is coming. We've got a handful of supporters in the single. Dad. Tear. Yep, Chris Coleman Coleman Coleman better these names straight up David Tuttle and Ms. Baybayin, they do it because through anchor. Yep. You did she corrected. She said that you're good at pronouncing her name. Yeah, that's correct. And also that you recognize her name was Mary. Hmm because you're kind of like creepy. Yeah because she called you a lurker and I was like, I think it's a more of a stalker. Yeah. Well, I had noticed that she had also comment on your Instagram. So that's because she reviewing that's why she's a patreon. Yes committed. What's up? She appreciates us. We appreciate her appreciate it. We appreciate Barbara Geiger funky fee on the dad bod level Julie McCarthy my old colleague who clarified I said that when sure her comment was that she was shocked this didn't suck what she said was she was impressed this didn't like which is slightly more positive more complimentary. I don't know. I'm impressed. She's not shocked because she didn't think a little back. Three terrible. It's definitely that's what I'm saying. It's a little back in it a little less backhanded in the shocked one. Well, she must have really known you exactly and I'm the World's Greatest Dad here. We got Sarge. I'm not gonna do it this time Cole V. The mire Mary Williams mom party of two who's been a vocal presence. She's in my alternate side parking lives that I do on Tuesday Wednesday mornings, sometimes I every single time because I have to park at the Double park for street cleaning. Yep, and I bring my kid to daycare and then I come back and it's too early and Mom and buried his gotten a ticket for being but double Parks too late and I'm thinking if I double Park to early like 20 minutes before the street cleaning comes some enterprising traffic cop or whatever. They're called Transit. What do they call Traffic up is it? Yep. Well, give us a ticket and that sucks. So I sit there and then I give the people what they want The Little Live one-on-one session with me or you know, 12 of these usually about 12 people on there. So 1212 on one's 12 people and every single time I have to explain what street like why I'm doing it what alternate side parking is. What double parking is. Street cleaning is what a city is what America is all the stuff there that really a lot of these people really just don't get it. Right right A lot of them just have our Bots or sexbots. So what I'm saying is Mom party of two is become a vocal. So this is your to We Appreciate know she had this is one of the Smart Ones. I'm sorry to imply. Otherwise it was mostly Pete's fault. So yeah, I mean if you want to go to patreon and throw us some cash it's going to help us create the merch that we are eventually going to create it's not a blocker will just but I think what will happen is What we'd like to do is get more equipment so we can have more guests guests and people been clamoring for some guests not gonna lie to you. So I've got some specific recommendations and I've got a good network of people mimosas mimosas with moms. We're going to have on it some point maybe return the favor the dad experience I think is out at or the dad Venture podcast met both of them. You know, what all of them we're equal opportunity friends with dads and you can listen to us on iTunes Spotify OverWatch Stitcher Tick-Tock all of the politics. All the podcast so you can go to go Tick-Tock. Imagine. There's been some funny stuff on there's the new Vine right took that find the new Vines and you can watch this on YouTube which my brother says he does. Yes. My brother says he doesn't beat those where he plays the video and watches it and I was like, no wonder we're not close because he's a millennial like me. He's got a malaise older than me. You know what he's the millennial at heart and yeah. Okay. Well, we're all Millennials at heart. What are they known for like being lazy destroy when actually they like they're very good. At multitasking and are actually pretty upwardly mobile. Yeah, I really like ya know what try like Millennials the better emojis than I am. It makes me feel insecure about myself opposed to the old urgent. Come on cambric. Yeah, that's fuckers Baby Boomers go to hell days. You fucked us all you real real. So before we start with the birthday parties, we got a lot of your comments last week. We covered play spaces or playtime. Yeah and playgrounds play spaces playdates, and we got some comments one was shitting all over your suggestion that Will Dad to overplay are the most annoying thing in the world. Yeah. Yes. You were shitting on me. I was shitting on you then and now people are joining me in taking a shit on you. That's right. Just never forget. They're my fans first if they become fans of you, it's purely incidentally this right now and accidental. Yeah besides Ms. By in God, damn it. Why do I keep walking myself into these names? I can't pronounce like it's like a compulsion we have what's wrong? Oh, no, I'm gonna start calling her Mary from now on. Okay, so MK stiff, Live with the how I'm choosing to pronounce that one says the most annoying thing is Mom's on Facebook. Thanking their kids for and I quote choosing me to be your mommy. Give me a goddamn break vomit Emoji. Yeah, I gotta say I couldn't agree more with MK stiff. Yes. I don't know that it's the most annoying thing about time. It's definitely more annoying than what you're saying. You know what and it's like really insane. I like that. She goes there and just calls it the most annoying thing because that's something that I feel like I would definitely do I don't like when somebody says they're blessed just in general but in About their kids it is I met your kid buddy. It's it's not a blessing. Yeah, the fucking is that the tragedy your life is a mess, right? Yeah, Sarah Dawn chimed in and actually she was talking about one of our previous ones about the difference between living in the suburbs or in the city and she says she lives in a small city where the transit system is shit and she can't drive which there's an opportunity to better yourself there Sarah get shot. So while I think the park play paces places torture, we don't get out much. I feel like a reclusive. The winner so I pretty much live outside in the warmer months playing with them is the worst go make some friends. But Mom you don't talk to other people. It's called the she's quoting The Simpsons here. It's called the double standard kid, one of the bedrocks of parenting which is true. That is true. We didn't really we haven't really talked about that about double standards. I will buy like being a hypocrite around your kid, like come on eat those beans, you know, like would you eat them? No, I don't have to eat them. I hate them when I was your age. That's funny. That's awesome. They'll survive exactly. It's not all fucking fun and games when you're a little kid. You got to lay the foundation for Shit exactly, but I appreciate that and I also did you notice that I said recluse which is the proper way of pronouncing that a lot of people think recluse but it's recluse. Okay. Nate is shaking his head and admiration just feel that I had identified him. Just stop with the all right. So and Sarge who loves who's one of our most loyal listeners, he's alright man. He's that he's upset that I have been wearing my my headband enough. Yeah, and he noticed that the room is getting hot because we have a little AC window unit. We have to turn off because it's too Ooh loud. I mean you guys can hear the BQE in the background. So that's because we have a huge hole in the window. But if we put the AC unit on they'll just hear the thrum. This is the steady thrum of the AC. Yeah and star just like Sarge kind of wants to see the headband and I think a lot of people probably feel the same way. I don't think so. You know, you don't know I don't think so. Well, you know what? Well, I think we'll agree to disagree. I'm gonna bust it back out summer months got to do some yard work through the thing on take a live. Hey say, hey peeps keep that you into this. I don't take my shirt off in public. He's serious of a dad. But please your body just doesn't know how to quit. All right, so we're getting into and oh birthday parties right after this, okay? Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. We were having a normal conversation and I thought I knew more about Spotify. We're on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes and listen offline. Ever you are and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. Are you on Instagram? Get out of here? If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for dead and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. We are back and as promised we're going to get into birthday parties. Now. This is actually been on the docket for a couple of weeks because I got an invitation in the mail that my brother's daughter. His only child was having her first birthday. We're over Memorial Day weekend was we just had so my family and I we went up the bear Eads. Those are the best kind of birthday went up the one-year-old. Well, so this was the debate and I think I said that you beforehand that I wasn't sure if he was going to have like beer and wine. Fine at the party you weren't sure I wasn't sure like he didn't say anything. I didn't ask him. I see you want to be like let's go to let's go up to Connecticut unsure whether there's gonna be beer at this one. You're unsure, right and and Mom had tarried wants to know and I'm like, I'm not asking I want I want to experience it in real time, whether it's true or not. I know you didn't plan on a coating that you didn't want to see ya writin want to ask what I wanted it to do. Okay, it seemed impossible that he wouldn't but the more I didn't know that the more posh. Just saying that there wouldn't be and of like an animal would have a one-year-olds birthday party without booze. Yeah, or any kids birthday party. Yeah, but especially one year old because it's not for the one-year-old. It's for you you celebrating the fact that you survived the first year of parenting and that the kids survived right get doesn't know the main thing the kid gets his is his first piece of chocolate or cake or something right when they hit one you can supposedly do that. So we went to this thing. I'm happy. I'm happy to report that there was booze could be Dear no, no Litchfield bottom here was the middle of the day on Saturday. It's a hot day outdoor park. Oh at the park at the well, it's my home town in Connecticut. Right? It's a small little town hall Center not quite it's a little bit of a park barbecue like tables you can barbecue. Okay all that shit. So there was a they brought a grill and one of the people works one of my sister-in-law's family members or something has an affiliation with the place it was Able to like open the door for the bathroom and all that shit so they don't really have a yard right and like it's like us in Brooklyn. I got we only last year maybe the last two years we held the birthday party at our house like for our kids. Yeah and the park seemed pretty easy this time. Like what I saw I mean I didn't have to do any of the cleanup or the setup which is one yard. That sucks. Yeah, but like whether it was there like a playground time no just is wide open space, but there weren't that many kids right? There are my My kids are a couple kids ride their bikes were riding around there a big balls in a tiny little ball pit for the babies and toddlers. So there wasn't a playground. You don't have to worry about kids like it was wide open space. You can see the kids wherever they were all that shit right fairly hassle-free. Well, well when you're there like crawling and walking somewhere walking some across this kid was in a high chair or being held the whole time the birthday girl. Yeah. There you go. That's there's a nightmare right there the entire time well, yeah, but in the high chair or in that they have one of those little stroller. Yeah things that you can roll around in where you like it's like a walker for for babies. And so I hate having the birthday party at my house. I also hate having a birthday party somewhere else and I don't know we know I know we've talked about it. So you did the apple. You're not the opposite, but you went to a facility. So not just outside like we did because you went to your own birthday. I want you to know I went to it. Yeah, I went to a birthday. I was invited to a birthday party was a five-year kids invited her you were invited. It I was invited personally to a five-year-old birthday party. This is creeping me out. I will just sat in the corner as fine. Yeah, totally fine. It's just staring really hard. I was at the park one time and he asked me and of course I invited the kid asked. Yeah. Okay. Your son asked me Bob check to see ya. Don't just sit back down. Hey, buddy. I think the kid knows what he wants. Yeah, four-year-old. I'm sorry five-year-old even better. Yeah, don't you Tommy don't you tell me don't you dare? So this was my son. I was invited to this birthday party. It was a five-year-old birthday party was at a bowling alley so loud. It was bowling alleys are loud. It was that's interesting because there was a point at which my son who's not yet five who's almost five was holding his ears because the sensory because they're just playing like wowed music what kind of music cardi B actually was like sort of 90s grunge and icing. Yeah, so I got I got something out of it, I guess. Yeah, because like The Man in the Box by Alice in Chains sometimes yeah, it was like those some some sacrilegious lyrics in there so kids but but here's the thing about this so This bowling I mean this was a big there's a pretty big how many kids at this bowling alley. So first of all an ungodly large number they weigh over invited they I mean did they pay for all the bowling? Yeah, they had no business inviting my son to this party because there are too many kids in your Fringe friend total Fringe and you know, I Found a couple other dads that I knew and we would kind of hanging out but like the attention span like you can't get a four-year-old to bowl for two hours. You can you know, it doesn't work. Well, they can't do it was there candlepin or duck pain to they've got her? Well, they have the gutter. They have the gutter things. And the thing is is that anyone doesn't know they lift up the yeah, like side little thing for little kids. So it bounces a ricochets when I was a kid. They didn't have that everybody. They had. Dr. Canaan Connecticut, which is like smaller ball not candlepin smaller balls small. Hence not candlepin, which is just as it sounds like a more modern kind of bowling alley so they had like a video and that's the other thing they have like all these video games. Okay, and so see that you kids are distracted doing that instead. Oh, really? Oh, cuz my son wasn't asking me to play video games for two and a half hours. Yeah. I want to play this one and said you have to hold I've Something's Got a Hold Your Kid up to be able to play those games if they don't have stools. So was it but was that expensive? Well, so I didn't I didn't put it on but you could just tell like they had food they had all yeah drinks weren't include they there was a bar which I particularly but there wasn't it wasn't part of the G8 a logger. Yeah. I got a Pilsner. Yeah. I got a tall boy or something some cocktail or something like that. It's delicious. It's all you refreshing and Saturday afternoon. And but the thing is that first of all four year olds need a shitload of help bowling doing every it's very dangerous not because for them to drop just falling off constantly dropping them all kid any kids thrown over him and then you know what they did, you know what these don't tell me. The reset the bowling lanes and put every kid's name individually into different for everyone arrived or after you got no no, no because they were half an hour late. So this was after I try must have taken half an hour the whole thing. It started like an hour late and then it was two hours after that and it was like at some was like God damn it. Give me that goddamn cake get out of somebody. Oh, that's funny. We gotta get out of here. So somebody said I can't take it anymore. Listen to this. Somebody said when you want the cake, You have to wait five goddamn hours Melanie Vineyard when you want cake, but at the end of the goddamn five our party parents were angry about this topic and I love that cake is the it's like a ransom. Yeah, they held you hostage or goodie bags to like where you like I got I'm there's no way I'm leaving here without something for my effort. Yeah, they held you hostage give me the cake so that we can get this whole thing done with two and a half hours was way too long to wait around for it. And then by God Manny like had this it was too involved. It was just way too. So my my brothers went a little long because they started a little late to but you're in a wide open space the kids are running around and there was booze. It was fine. But it was it was a little bit. It's just lower key, right which is fine. We like a four-year-old party at a bowling alley you're worried about like other other other customers. There's the place was packed. Yeah, exactly. Oh don't worry about like not like your son's like over there crying because he doesn't know where you are. So a lot of people walked away like a lot of people like renting a place and and I can see the appeal. I know you do, but I wouldn't Like renting a public place just like a portion of it. Nah, man. I'm by the way, I'm not into that. I'm in the Gymboree. I'm into renting and I'm gonna give a big actually or bounce to you bounce use the bounce you is that the one around here? Yeah. I've got a couple of those. Yeah. There's a there's like places are depressing though, like the lunch rooms where you have the party is really depressing but you it is very depressing. But the fact that you've been jumping on jumpy castles or whatever you want to call them for the last like four forty five kids are wiped out kids are wiped out. Everyone's had a great time. Time these things are like actually generally pretty scary and like it's a pretty fun time. Yeah, I mean, they're huge. They're like, these kids are scaring. You said no the the bacilli of like the these slides are huge. Yes. Some of them are pretty big. Yeah and like then there's like these climbing things were like, they're at least 20 feet high and but they're covered in germs those places, which is Jean Marie 1010 said you get exposed to the plague Meg Nick Nick 619 said my kids always get sick without fail two to three days after any party, which is true wants kids hanging around kids, but those Spaces are just teeming with teeming with and you are very gerb germ phobic. I'm not necessarily germ. You're such a huge germaphobe. Okay, you like Howard Stern eye or a Howie Mandel is how they wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. He'd only fist bumps because he's going to get you. You know, what? I'm actually the exact opposite. I have get over yourself Howie Mandel, I mean system. Yeah, but maybe that's because you're so scared. What are you talking about? I've been talking about holding on this you hate my sandals, you hit my sandals. That's because my flip-flops my rainbows. It is not disgusting wearing fucking fucking power it. Our engross it's Empower. Somebody I did a story. Well, I did a story once and somebody goes after I did it. Somebody goes I could hear you. I could hear flip-flops because my stupid feet are going to slap slap slap. Oh, will you shut up about wash your feet every night. Why would I wash my feet? They're naturally self-cleaning. Of course. I wash my feet. Yeah every night. I brush my I wash my feet in the toilet and then I brush my teeth with the fucking vomit ball. All right, we're gonna talk about who's a gross person here in a minute. Okay, so, Um, you like bounce you there's Monkey Joe's are all those places are all the same. They're kind of fun my wife. You know what it is broke her ankle at one of those trampoline joints, but you know, it's the ones that really like the Gymboree the ones where it's like, okay kids you go play and they play for a period of time and then it's all organized and you go to a different room sure have it all set up rooms. We're going to get to those rooms in a second rooms are so depressing, but you know what? I don't give a shit. It's a two-year-old's birthday party. There's no booze at those places the biggest drawback of renting a place like Chucky Cheese, although That's good. So L Furlong or I for long? I don't know what it's probably Eddie Furlong shout out. Shout out to American history accident. It says Chuck E. Cheese is the worst. I hate those invites as a kid Chuck E. Cheese was fucking King shit. Like maybe now it's dammit Dave & Buster's but in the 80s, I love going to Chuck E. Cheese it Stokey ambling arcade games. Yeah, 5,000 toes Skee-Ball tickets for a fucking pencil pencil eraser, but I think some Chuck E cheese is now has sell beer. They should and if you go to Dave and Busters, you can definitely get here but that's for like older kids right solder and there yet. Yeah, everything is like more expensive. I remember I was on the school bus one year and I was going to a kid's birthday party the next day and I yelled fuck on the school bus and mr. CEO Lee heard me and stopped the bus and pulled over and I got in trouble for using since Manatee just and my parents threatened to not let me go to Chuck E. Cheese to the party. I think I ended up going to my parents don't have a backbone and that is why I don't have a - yeah, that's why you're currently on exactly. Thanks, Mom and Dad. So yeah Chuck E cheese all those play spaces to me. I think they're kind of drab and depressing and they're expensive. Well, hold on a second. So so this is you had someone who was saying it was talking about renting I'll get up Angelita says rent the place always it takes a huge hassle and stress out of the equation, which is your argument, which is my argument, which is I don't think the cost it doesn't work out when you have it at home or in a park like this. The amount of effort you put into making the food bringing the food buying the food if you're having it at your house after the amount of decoration, but at the place you order like five pizzas or whatever exactly do that at our house too, and I don't but I mean usually this it all these play space or whatever you want to call them the renting a place like the bounce you it all comes as part of it. So the cake comes part of your array. It's One-Stop shopping, right? Exactly. So you can invite, you know, there's like 12 or 13 kids you can invite and it's all for a certain amount and and that it's the same. Amount of money because I just I just did this for my eleven-year-old. Yeah, we had a stay-at-home party where we kind of decorated. Yeah, we really I actually tried I really tried and it was it was actually kind of cool. We did a like a heaven and hell things. She wanted like a skater. I went to one of those in college right and in order to get a little twin or if you if you go to you have to go through all the levels in order to go from hell to Purgatory. I do a shot of tequila. Yeah from purgatory to wherever and then to Heaven yet to do shots. So it was really fucking this. This is actually the the same thing how many shots did these kids have been to Patron shots? Hope so but no but just the amount of money we spent in in decorations and and like this and like it's not even hold on the time. I understand that but it's not even the amount of money it is so my wife is like a very good party planner like so much so that she's like dabbled. She's good doing it. Right and she takes a lot of care in it. I couldn't do wants her kids to remember. Yeah, you've been to handful of them. She's a fucking absolute nightmare to deal with in the lead-up to this. Right like have until she's just so stressed about the logistics and the planning and she's so good at it. And I'm like look either stop worrying because it's gonna be good right or own the fact that like or get into it. Yeah, right. Let me see is into it, but that she gets me into it. She toes the line and I'm not just saying that and I'm not good at it lets it all come out directly on so she's done last year. She did I don't think your kids Associated Star Wars once all these fucking she has like she creates games or she goes on like Pinterest and see stuff. She's not like a Pinterest perfect mom, but she'll get She did a pirate one where she created a map invitation and then had me burned the edges of it. Yeah, so it looked like old parchment. And the last year we did a Harry Potter and this is where I come in like aside from the manual labor that needs to be done. Like I wore a cloak and was like a dementor or something and they threw like water balloons at me right if you get one kid one kid really going at my crotch like this kid. He's like The Jock of my friend my kids group of friends. And I mean the kids that coming up he's like waiting and cocking his arm like it's Acting like buddy, chill. I have sciatica, which I didn't realize that the point but I'm sure it was there Laurie because probably because of that probably because of that kid, I'm gonna have to speak to his parents. Yeah, but I I can't stand like that's the the Plus for someone else handing all but my wife wouldn't do that. It's not a special you're not in like a 1984 drab colorless concrete building where somebody's giving you a cold Peak event, but at the end of the day if they get a bounce you they get presents, right? Yeah, they get presents the Have cake unless everyone fiber party. Yeah, tell me about this. So somebody commented Keitel 9. He said her kid. They just did a five or party for her kids. So that instead of everybody having to worry about bringing gifts which can get expensive everybody who came just gave five bucks to her kit. That's really smart. It is pretty smart. Wait, no and they would have okay and then the kid keeps the money and gives it to the parents the parents used to pay for whatever food they bought in the kid doesn't get anything. That's how that's birthday Pasha Works. Yes the experience for bags. I see you know how much base cost nowadays but you are getting less value, right? So instead of getting you know, 10 to 20 depending how many kids you have 20 to $30 toys of some kind you're getting ten to twenty five dollar bills, which is all significant take a downgrade space, but my kid doesn't need any shit. We kids need more shit. I my wife got one of my daughters Friends of birthday present and I basically looked at and go. Are you serious? We're going to be the biggest dicks in the world. It was the biggest thing about really it's like an austere stay ostentatious display. It was like this American Girl like fact things are super expensive American World. I think it was the the tour knockoff Hargett. What's that called? Girl? All right. Go ahead Rebecca. What mrs. Miniver something and yeah, it was some sort of like lever that me neither. It's got to be mrs. Miniver. I don't even know what you're talking. I know you don't you're not very cultured even though this cake grew up in England. He doesn't I mean get your head out of your ass. So are you gonna say I told you is impressed literally I go to hand this present over to the dad and the dad looks at me like what the fuck is this? How could you do this to much give this to me like like like in the basement. Well, why would you give me a present that is going to now take up a significant? Alright. Well see we're in Brooklyn rights and and it's apartment living and space is at a premium. So that's a good point. So it's like a big obnoxious get I collect the GI Joe aircraft carrier like that would have been it would have been worth it. What would it be worth it, but it takes up a lot of space. So my next door neighbor growing up got every to everyone in his entire life. Right? So parents are divorced shit happens Jewish and Catholic so they got Hanukkah and Christmas but didn't go to church or synagogue God really grounding gears thinking about it now. So one year this kid really wanted the aircraft carrier. Yeah, really one of the aircraft carrier which is huge and he got it like the Here's the final gift, isn't it the His mom gives him a little box and he opens it and say the other boxes in this room and he goes in the boxes get progressively bigger until he's led to the fucking aircraft carrier that arise that of course, we got ya right where his brand-new car. Yes inside inside the aircraft carrier exactly. You see I'm not gonna bring that part up. So the other thing is what my brother did right and which we've done was just go to a park. Yep, which is like it's combines doing it at your house and and doing it at a place except you only thing you don't have to do is pay but you have to carry all the shit everywhere. You have to do all the cleanup. Yeah, it's you have to order all the food. It's like doing it at your house, but I think but it's less because you kind of just throw it away in the city garbage cans, you know, if you can write but the places we've gone like you they're off the beaten path. You can't drive your car down to him. You got to park on the street and then walk a half a mile into a fucking Glenn or a meadow. I don't know. I don't know Island. I don't Dublin outside just Meadows in Park all right. Is there a Glenn? I don't know. I don't know the terminology of the topiary. We're all these was that would that be writing to view the Tweakers? Okay, so we did get a bunch of people talking about the cleanup right? So when you do in your home and one of the main complaints wasn't so much about the cleanup after throwing a party. It was the cleanup at home after going to a party in getting a goodie bag. Oh, yeah, get up Angelina hate those annoying toy gift bags that have toys with those awful sounds that she Ice skates in the middle of the night look just just good parenting like the goody bags are basically just garbage that you bring home. Yeah, so but there's a queue exception that your kids fight over, you know, 100 percent. Oh, where's my ring? You like what rains like so so I don't know where her last name ends in a first name starts and she's a loyal contributor to my lives and stuff. So I apologize pavani pavani. Hi pavani guy. I'm not sure. I know that she lives on Long Island if anyone wants her address. Shoot me a note. So she says she loves birthday parties with the only thing she hates of the tiny plastic toys that come in the goody bags Gazoo spinning toy small yo-yos and kt88. 57 says same thing. I hate goody bags. Nobody needs more shit that nobody need Jean-Marie. 10:10 says the junk ends up all over the house tiny pieces of siblings and swallow which is an issue for us. We get a lot of that stuff, but I will say one of the toys that I really love is those little parachute band like the plastic army men with the plastic parachute on them. That's a good you unravel and throw it in the air. Air and it hovers down. Oh my gos are cool. Have you ever been don't really work that well, but it has your kid ever gotten slime in the goodie bag. We've avoided the Slime phenomenon for the most part the fuck. It's the word. I have heard horror stories. Goddamn worst. We've had one or two cases. Like we've had Play-Doh, which I feel like is yeah is like slime is much worse than Play-Doh. It's like it's like Play-Doh 2.0 slime is made with glue. Yeah right loves to stick in Furniture who does love that shit. It loves it if glue could think yeah. It would save itself is slime and have a big fight over. So but at the parks goody bags, I'm trying to remember they're not mutually exclusive you can have yeah, you can have it at that but that's that's so much so much to it. Someone's I remember did you get goody bags every time you went to a kids party when you were getting so yeah, so that was it was exciting. It was exciting to kind of get this just trinkets though. What now? It's exciting. It's those if you get there, yes, all that's exciting about what I like is it is getting little mini booze in like like airplane bottles in your kids. Goody bag. Oh, that's fine. No the Goldschlager. Sorry. I know it looks exciting. But you takes a - logger on this I'm not going near that a bad experience. I may have reference that before. I think I did too, but I wouldn't know Buddy's not had a bad experience on gold. No, come on. There's only one type of experience to have on Goldschläger and that is a bad experience. I think that was involved in the Heaven and Hell party that I went to in Cleveland circle circle 1997. Like the T Station like the like just like a rabbit. Eh, yeah, right. I was waiting for the tea and some of the enemies of Goldschlager. I wish the green line. Yeah. I love it. Yeah me and Pete were both went to college in the green line on the tee. Yeah. Look at that. I went to the better one though. Did you in your face? You fucking face? So, okay. So let's let's close it so we can all agree that goody bags are horrible. There has been a couple times where someone's put like pencils and a pad of paper and I was like actually Lee what is this for? No, I think it's great pencils and a pad of paper. That's all you need. You don't need and 1987. No. Yeah ET little spiral footpads. Yeah, that's great R2D2. They draw on it for hours. Nowadays. You bring it to like restaurants. You bring it out to restaurants and bars have them drink. So here's a question that I don't know the answer to Do older kids like if you if your kid goes to somebody's like sweet 16 party. Is she getting goodie bag. You know what I believe is it like going to the Oscars you leave with like an iPad you got now you it doesn't it's not a party while I think they're it's more slightly older skewed and I can't remember exactly like, you know hair band or something like hair bands or something like that like poison like nail polish rat like nail polish. So you're saying except fashion accessories like things like that. I thought Talking about Nate's favorite kind of music Motley Crue hair bands hair bands. Yeah, you get Twisted Sister you get twisted sister is a going-away present and then they're really grateful. Yeah, they needed somewhere to go like thank you very much. We're really at rock bottom. So hold on. We haven't spoken about a couple of other things. So so the presence that you have to buy we talked about a little bit Yeah, but Jean Marie makes a good point Jim Murray 10:10 that she likes when you get an invitation that specifies like not a fiver party, but like my kid likes trains or leg up. What they're asking for that's fine. That doesn't bother me. Like would you be I guess maybe it's a little like presumptuous that you're going to bring the kid a toy, but it's a birthday party. If it's not toy based they would say that like don't bring toys which those are great too. But she makes a good point like we don't know every kid and it's better to get the kit something. He's actually going to like and you can try asking your kid. Hey, what is holding at school? You know like the play with and your kids fucking though. He only knows what he likes to play with and he's just says that shit because that's what's on top of his head. Yeah, and then you disappoint. Your friends kid and then you're not friendly friends anymore and his may or may not have happened to me. Yeah, I don't it doesn't sound like it's ever happened to you before. I think I lost a friend because I forgot to get him a wedding gift. Now. That sounds like a good happen. Yeah, it was like I got like the cold shoulder and I'm thinking back of my head. I'm like what happened? There's a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode about that where they forgot and then they go and they try to give a really nice bottle of wine to the couple. They're like, nope. You missed the deadline. It's only you have a year. That's the the Miss Manners protocol and I think that's what II didn't even try with my friend that which is probably the difference. No wonder he didn't take me back. I don't even try to get him something after the fact screw that guy I'm sorry Jeff. There we go. Right now. That's all that's never too late to make amends. That's true. Oh and I was worried about this at my brother's kids party 28. He says do not open gifts with guests there. Oh, yes that used to happen. When I was a kid. I feel like that was par for the course like you'd be at Skate World and you'd sit down and you open your He-Man figure ya know. What about and then and then of course you do you'd only On the ones that you like? Yes, they don't do that so much these days at least not around here. Well, it's definitely better. You don't want to sit through it and it creates so much awkward energy about a baby shower where like the point is the display of the gift. All right, here's what I'm proposing you show up to a birthday party. I'm already married within within half an hour cake and happy birthday has already happened your choice presents are happening like the your choice whether you stick around or not the drop-off like for the parent. Yes, so if you're having a good time no, no. I don't like that idea one bit why I don't want to show up and then have to stay for a little while. And then you can leave if you want to that's just creates awkwardness of kick right at the knot. Fuck you. I don't mind cake and I'd rather drop the kid off and have cake. I just want to drop it off and not even go in the place. I don't want a hybrid that's were so how do you have to make like awkward goodbyes, or do like a French exit? So nobody sees you leave that's fucking weird. Why would you do that? You really want a cake at your friends kids birthday party my point that bad. No. I just go to the bar and get a piece of I want it to be over. I want the option to be able to leave. At app I want the option two and a half to go. That's the option. I want that's why I drop off parties. I fucking great. Well, I'm surprised. Yeah, drop off parties are good. Somebody mention that here. Somebody said my mom Linda one said I hate when is to drop off party and one or both parents take guess what? You're gonna hate Pete because he wants to fucking hang out. No, I don't but we're just talking about how you want to be there for a little bit of time. I see you you completely misunderstood what I'm saying? You did a cake done early, you get the cake done early and then the parents have a decision they make they can either take I think that's all. Oh you can take the Here, we don't believe that's a crew. Now, you're yanking your kid out before the party's over. It's got we've since our transaction we finished we present has been absent friendships all about transaction. Yeah. I've got my goody bag. We've gotten a little cake. Thank you very much. It's been a perfect day. Now it's time to move on half an hour just and if the parties worth it, if the parties worth it, like if there's boosts I'm talking about this like, I'm really thinking about this bowling party. That was so pretty brutal Jayma Condor which may or may not be how it's pronounced said alcohol must be provided if parents are Acted to stay it's the only chance I'm interested in sticking around as if there's booze I went to and if it's in your house and there's booze. That's a little weird. If you have like a back what works or something just a little bit tighter if you're in somebody's house and there's a whole bunch of kids around the ones that is this booze makes everything better. Let's not let's not forget everything. Let's not forget that first birthday party where every single parent of one of their first one year old. Yeah, he's drunk off their. Oh, no. No, they basically over invite both parents because their friend groups are All one-year-olds. Yeah. Yeah. So now instead of having one parent come which now like usually happens when you have double parents, you've double parents. You have all these kids that can barely speak that are that I can't make it on that one. I think the Babbling what is their it? Do you have sir? Maybe but there there there someone walking summer they're into everything. So all you're doing is running around and chasing them and you're in someone's apartment if your course they haven't calculated the size. And so now you have like 40 people. Yeah. Well, this is what I'm saying. I need place. And one is very hot. And so hot and one time. I remember I went to a birthday party. They definitely did not have alcohol and it was it was like I'm an upper decker toilet. Not just one not just one. I left it. Sorry guys. That's the price you pay a whole whole deck. So Stanford. Mommy, who's a was a funny. Mommy Murr. You should check out her Instagram. She says give me all the drop-off parties, which is exactly how I feel they are the platonic ideal of kids birthday parties is Can drop off your kid and bail and you let other people do the same when it's your party? Yes. It sucks to have to you are suddenly in charge of all these kids and a bunch of people have said that like I it's awkward to suddenly be yelling at somebody else's kid at the party. If you're the only parent who still there well if it's the party at your house or whatever, which sure that's awkward, but that probably doesn't happen that much. Generally you can start to separate like the real dicks from like the hopefully they have been invited as people will know most people have come with their manners, you know, they like a lot of lot of kids are more. Well behaved at their friend's house than they are. Yeah. Well, there's certainly at school than at home with other people than what you yeah. It's a pretty good parties worth been sold. But like there are some people really hey, can you stop like banging my coffee table that Mallet and yeah, well Calgary dad's he says one of the worst parts of birthday parties is screaming kids that aren't yours so not screaming at kids that aren't yours, which is what I took from his comment the first time I read it which is also sucks but screaming kids that aren't yours. So he says never do it at home. It gets Pizza grease on the wall. Yeah, yeah, then he mentions he hates themes which you know, what don't marry my wife. Yeah, don't marry her but there's some people have some good ideas. Like somebody said like a backyard campout where you do like s'mores and water guns, which is you got a low impact you need a yard. That's not really happening at City Hall. That's a smaller crew. I mean, I think we're also talking about larger. I feel like most of the birthday parties that well the younger the kid the more people you invite because the kids aren't really making friend decisions on their own yet. Right. So you're keeping the window open casting a wide net. Yep, and as they get older the kids start hating other kids and that forming their clicks. It's true. So this was funny wrinkles OCR Wilkins and says when your kid is too nice and wants to invite the literal bully. You've had to have meetings about it's cool like good. I'm glad you're nice. But no, I hate that kid. We have a we've had a situation like that like my kid but heads butts heads with some other kid, and they've been to each other's parties. It's really weird situation. Have you have you ever had a conversation with the parents about it or yeah, they're just like oh that's what our kids like. Cool upper decker time you damn right so that I want to get back to one of my favorite comments on this thing. And I think so. This is from Holly underscore him in five. And I think that she has dropped something else suggests is going to brutal once before but she gets straight to the point about how she feels about birthday parties expensive stupid mandatory and exhausting now, I don't know if she's talking about attending birthday parties, but all of these adjectives apply to both attending a kid's birthday party. And throwing your own yeah, they're expensive Yep. They're stupid. They're mandatory until you get old until the kids get older and they're exhausting and I thought that was a really nice way of putting it bonus. It reminded me of this Saved by the Bell episode where they created drug anti-drug PDA RPS pedia, a lot of pdas on that show to anti-drug PSA where they have each of the cast members like the way the commercial starts is they just show like Zach on the stairs dumb and I'm going to Jessie Spano stupid and they just say a bunch of Harsh adjectives and then they Johnny Dakota is there to talk about how drug use isn't good because Johnny Dakota is a Hollywood Story secretly has a drug problem that the kids find out about and he's trying to date Kelly and it's really awkward because he's got some substance abuse problems and he's probably direct them head-on. Very informative program Kelly Saturday morning Kelly's at the deadbeats Kelly's in the deadbeats. Yeah. She was into the dude who worked at the attic who was older there's a college guy got fake IDs went to the attic is cheating on Zach. This is happening right now you who wants some more a beautiful mind I do it. Number a lot of nonsense is why and I don't remember anything important and a body that just will not quit. It should quit but it doesn't know how I wish I were wearing my dad but t-shirt. Maybe I'll wear that next time. Maybe I'll wear a crop top that would be great. Oh, oh football. Yeah. Mesh hasher Doug Flutie. Maybe we yeah or damn Reno. Yep. Get a patch of Mahomes. He's like the hot one these days. Yes. He's young. These kids are young. You think he's hot? Okay, look wise. Yeah. I mean you have he's man he's good. So I think he throws the ball into Tight Windows is like really improvises. Okay, the my do you think it's hot? I know what you know, what own it. All right fine. Oh, no, he's hot. He's hot as shit. Okay, it's like Jimmy Garoppolo. Let's be honest. You don't know who that is. Remember? He's like Tom Brady of Tom Brady didn't wear. Oh, yeah. That's right. Okay. All right. I'm ready. Got a dumb chin dimple. I'm not a fan of it. He just he kind of looks just he's a doofus. He looks like a job is he really does? He's a he's a he's a doofus. But he's a gang member it says Seinfeld is a male bimbo. I mean, but I mean you can't argue the guys he can't argue because as the brain Tower Dark because he knows we all right fine. Let's get out of here. Are we done? Do we do we cover it? All I feel like we got it. See you are we say that? I feel like we got it. Who knows you people need to tell us what you know, what how about this? Mostly I think you have too much on the table and we're just going to end the episode now, how about that? We don't want that but I'm okay with it because this is a fly-by-night operation. It is fly-by-night Merchants coming guys. Stay promises promises. I know it's it is you know what it would be convenient for Father's Day. I would really like you to gift me some merch. You know, what I'll give you the shirt off my back Mike. I'm good with it. I usually prefer my shirt. Okay. What is that thing so true it's a short sleeve shirt. We will what are the items on it? Like a pineapple? Yes, sweetheart. Yeah. It's like literally makes zero sense summer summer at it grocery cart patterned shirt of some kind of pretty sure I see grocery card on there, or maybe it's a saxophone on You know what it is. It's a drink with a straw in it. I take it back. That is summary. Exactly. I'm sorry. I couldn't find my 3/4 length baseball tee shirts from 1980 you grew up in England. They don't have baseball over there in your face, which I didn't play Lobster back, so don't worry about it. All right. Okay everybody. Thank you very much. I think we got it. But okay, so we want to make sure we keep the conversation going. We love that. You got to comments. I'm at specific video aren't specific episodes. Yeah the Facebook group, which is really dying on the vine if anybody wants to like being a Admin of that thing because it's just another Outlet. I can't I can't handle it. 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Whether you have a skin interest asked in query as Skin trauma or skin disease I warmly welcome you to heal. Thy skin a podcast brought to you by term Costco. I'm Marni Derma clinician to mosque first annual podcast host skin is deeper than Beauty and our mission is to build the largest platform of specialized practitioners focused on skin health and skin empowerment. Join me each week where we go.Under the Skin and Beyond to hear stories and education from leading practitioners on a journey of skin health When my sister was younger, she experienced outbreaks of X Mama interestingly this worsened when she ate things like citrus fruits oranges and mandarins she since grown out of it. She's an adult but I've always found it quite interesting to hear how certain foods can cause a skin irritation or even cause a skin disease for some people food intolerances and food allergies are at an all-time high. So today we were actually discussing Seeing the difference between a food intolerance and a feud allergy and how and why it may manifest on the skin and how to tell the difference welcome to episode number ten of the heal. Thy skin podcast. I'm mining your host. And today I'm speaking with Vicki Solaris. Vicki is a national recognized nutritionist speaker blogger book reviewer and the founder of Medi meals Vicky worked in a Skin Clinic for four years treating psoriasis eczema acne including Mystic and hormonal scarring stretch marks wrinkles. You name it Vicki used food and her knowledge of topical treatments and nutritionals and Laser and light to achieve optimal skin health and Vicki now dedicates herself to many meals a company that creates organic and minimally processed meals for families and restorative meals for patients to enjoy but today our focus is her background in skin, Vicky. Is how her journey working in a Skin Clinic improve patients outcomes and how food intolerances can actually present on the skin. I started by asking Vicki. What is the difference between a food intolerance and a food allergy? That affects numerous organs in the body so it can cause a range of symptoms. Like if you have an allergy to a food it's a viewer or life-threatening. So you have things like a constriction of the Airways Sevilla hives vomiting wheezing swelling of the lips tingling of the mouth and even a tiny amount of the food can cause a severe reaction now to give you an example like my child has a no nut policy at her school and it's not just because they Share food, but if a tiny trace of that nut goes on for example a door handle and another child goes to touch that door handle and they don't even put that offending hand in their mouths, but they rub their eyes, they will have this immune reaction this response of the swelling and the inability to breathe. So it's a really life-threatening situation and about three to eight percent of the population suffer a true fewer food allergy. It's a bit more in children. So you're looking at about six to eight percent and in The adult range is about three to four percent, right whereas in contrast food intolerance symptoms are generally less serious and they're often limited to digestive problems. So they're not due to an immune response. They're not going to cause constriction of the Airways. It's not going to be an immediate reaction. And if you do have a food intolerance, you may be able to still eat small amounts of the offending food without much trouble. So you can also help prevent that reaction as an example if you have a lactose intolerance. You can still drink milk in the form of lactose free milk or even take an enzyme lactase to Aid the digestion of that milk. And usually the cause of the intolerance is due to a lack of enzyme needed to digest the food a hormonal disturbance stress poor Diet alcohol or excessive alcohol consumption and IBS the most common symptoms of intolerance has our digestive issues diarrhea cramping and everyone gets bloated they have headaches. Migraines fatigue sets in concentrating problems, especially with children. A lot of people have that afternoon slump and on the skin it comes up as a slowly Progressive eczema psoriasis rosacea acne and sometimes people in the more severe cases end up with aching joints interesting and I think there's such a big craze, you know in the media or and and cafes offering so many. Pubs of milks and some cafes even putting on the signs that they don't, you know necessarily cater to food intolerances because there's this crazy all these people that are intolerant to something but it's still I mean not necessarily life-threatening but those symptoms that you explained can be pretty well they can affect someone's life quite significantly. Yeah. It's debilitating for the person because like oh, no, I've got this crap again on I've got this paint, but some Sometimes it's psychosomatic. So just because you're having it and you know, you're having it can cause that reaction. So yeah, it's a catch-22 definitely make sense. So why can food intolerances or allergies present on the skin? Mmm now allergies present on the skin. Like I said due to that immune response. Okay. So the first time you eat the offending food that you do have an allergic reaction to the immune system responds by creating specific antibiotics now when you eat that food Again, the antibodies spring into action and they release a large amount of histamine in the body in an effort to expel that foreign Invader now histamine is so powerful. It affects the respiratory system and it like the swelling in the wheezing vomiting cramping hives and this reaction is immediate. So you're going to get that about no more than two hours after having something that would that was offending. Okay, the hives are really itchy they're swollen. They can look like welts on the skin like it is quite noticeable. It's really inflamed. Sometimes it can show up around the eyes the tongue the lips and the hands and feet. So if you notice that with this sort of inflammation that you get a bit of itching in the throat or swelling in the throat tingling sort of sensation in the mouth in conjunction with the skin rash, you can be sure it's an allergy intolerance. However can take like up to 72 hours after consuming that food, right? And it's not Obvious how it manifests its kind of creeping up on you. It's not like oh my God, look at my arm. It's so red. No, no. No, it takes far longer to get to that point. So with the allergy it's fast and it's severe but sometimes with medication it'll reduce food in times not as fast not as severe and these intolerances cause inflammation in the body and this initially happens in the gut and I'll explain a bit about How this intolerance develops so like I mentioned if you don't have the right enzymes you can have problems digesting food and you will develop that intolerance. If you don't have the enzymes to digest the foods properly like proteins and sugars that are in the foods. It can damage the small intestine now damage to this intestine over and over again means that these the intestine can develop little hole. Okay, because it's damaged and then when you eat food The partially digested food flows directly into the bloodstream. Okay, the body then detects these as foreign objects and sets up inflammation. That's not going to be so severe. It's over time over extended period of time the body becomes more and more inflamed. So I'll give you a couple of examples gluten intolerance is quite common. It causes inflammation in the body and it can manifest as swelling in the form of psoriasis. Okay, a wheat allergy. If you have an allergic reaction to the protein in the wheat, it's going to cause swelling swelling itching hives and sometimes constriction of the Airways a lactose intolerance is the reduced ability to digest milk sugars and these symptoms include bloating and diarrhea. But if you had an allergic reaction to Dairy, then you would have severe eczema and really severe acne and vomiting that goes in. Junction with this. All right. So people also get wheezing people also get constriction of the Airways and swollen tongue if they have an allergy sewed in that case do specific food or food intolerances have specific skin conditions that present present whether it be x master Isis or is it different for every person? Okay good question as every person is different and the biochemistry of each person is different it can show up slightly differently, but there are Definitely some commonalities. So I would put Dairy into a group of X mama and gluten into a group of psoriasis. Okay, but that's very general and sometimes they can have crossovers but generally yes X mama and acne is dairy and psoriasis is more gluten that's really fascinating. And so the main difference between if someone was having a food intolerance or how it was Presenting on the skin would really be that time delay as you mentioned before. Yeah and the severity so if you're getting a really shocking response a very noticeable all of a sudden rather than oh, I've got a little bit of a niche just on my arm as opposed to oh my gosh, my arm is just full of Wells. They've really different. Yeah, so you mentioned some things that can present on the skin like, you know, psoriasis eczema. What are some of Other things that you've seen on the skin that actually present from something that may be linked to a food intolerance or allergy. Okay. So the common ones are acne psoriasis eczema itching and moderate hives but they their gradual they increase in severity over time and it's actually important here that I mention this. Okay, because I find even with my own work I get people who come in and think they've got an allergy, but it's an intolerance. An intolerance and Allergy differing that we if you delay an exposure to a certain food, then you are more likely to present with an allergy whereas an intolerance is due to an overexposure to a food. So in Australia, I'll give you a really good example because it's real and it's reported and I would say that most mothers that have had children in the last 10 years would have would have noticed this in Australia. We saw a marked increase in the amount of children with allergies specifically X. Mama psoriasis hives itching, you know, just general skin conditions acne, even at a younger age all these little dots on the face keratosis pilaris on the back of the arms, you know, the bumpy skin on the back of the arms. There was a large increase of this and it was later found that it was due to delaying children to the exposure of certain foods. So nuts milk wheat, you know, there was a huge push from maternal Health nurses to restrict these Foods until there were certain age what they found. In fact was there was a huge spike in the amount of L allergies that presented in these children in the age where they were suggested these restrictions. So after much research, it was decided that it's a bad idea to delay food because the delaying of food is what caused these allergic reactions and it would be more beneficial to expose the kids to a wider range of foods at a younger age. And I find this interesting because I have two daughters one is 9 and 1 is 6 now in that three year difference that they have the rules change from don't give your kids this and this to actually you know, what give your kid everything and really that's that's how it was. I remember going to maternal health nurse with my first child. And you know don't give them this don't give me that you know, it's no good for them. I actually didn't listen which was because my mom's a midwife and she was like, you know, just dip your finger in either anything that you're eating dip your finger in and just putting their mouths in their bodies will develop the ability to metabolize those foods with my second child when we went to maternal health nurse. She said, you know what things have changed give your child anything from a young age. It shouldn't matter because what we're finding is kids have had these bumps on the back of their arms as increase. Hives as increase ex-marine psoriasis. So just give your kids whatever you think, you know introduce them to whatever you're having. Now in my child's School my eldest child, there are four kids in her class that have got allergies not intolerances, but actual allergies and their to those things that they were recommended not to introduce the food. So don't give your kids nut sweets or dairy or eggs and those kids have an allergy to those foods that they were recommended not to consume in my 6 year olds class. And in fact her entire year level there is only one child with an allergy. So we've gone from Um four kids in one class to one child in an entire year level it's noting fascinating. So while they say, you know, give your kids everything you need to be careful not to over expose the kid to the same food or the ingredient all the time. Now, it sounds really, you know, I could do that but it's not that easy because you think about breakfast lunch and dinner. Most people would have toast or cereal for breakfast lunch will be a sandwich and dinner you probably have Pasta or something similar, right? So you're having wheat and gluten for breakfast lunch and dinner. The actual fact we shouldn't we should only have that one server day. I mean would you have chicken for breakfast lunch and dinner? No, it's this overexposure and we don't want to over expose our kids so that if we do it because if we do they will end up with the psoriasis the itchy skin and so on and so forth, so I was going to say sorry money. So it really comes back to eating a balanced diet and there's all these mono diets where they're not only you know, so restrictive so we're cutting out entire food groups because of some Diet Trend. So if that happened from a very young age, we can actually develop allergies or intolerances later on the exactly particularly. Yeah, that's exactly right if you are going to restrict Things you would likely to get an intolerant as our analogy and if you overexpose then you'll get that intolerance. So yes, you're right. Yeah, that's so fascinating. Now my background is, you know, treating skin conditions and some of these skin conditions are chronic and and that they may have have multiple treatments and all these different modalities and And it's it is difficult. Sometimes when you haven't had that background or experience in perhaps nutrition or tripathi or that kind of that training and how foods will is often? Not that link either. It's not something that generally crosses over. So if someone is say treating a skin condition will topical treatments assist with food-related skin conditions, or is it just kind of like Your head against a brick wall like yes, it may assist then it's going to flare up again. As soon as they have that like how do you kind of manage that if your therapist that may not even be working with a nutritionist or in in kind of Integrative type practice? Yeah. That's a good question. And I do believe there needs to be working together between those modalities. So I do think that topical treatments do assist. It will assist but it won't cure and this is seen when people stop applying the products to the affected area. And the diet has not changed at all the condition returns, right? So for example acne from over Dairy consumption it'll subside for a while if you use benzoyl peroxide or retinol, but once you stop they're going to come back and this is where even in my clinic if I see someone comes in and says, oh, you know, I've got this person. There's I will actually refer them to a dermal therapist to say Get these treatments because what I want is I want the patient to get an instant result because if I telling them avoid these Foods, I guarantee you 80% of the people two weeks later. We'll just go back to eating what what they were not supposed to just because they haven't seen a positive outcome. They haven't seen the acne go away, but it's going to take much longer than two weeks to get a result. But if they see a dermal therapist who says, you know, I'm going to treat your skin using micro dermabrasion some chemical. Appeals, you know, we'll even do some topical products that patient will get results straight away. They'll feel really good and then they'll think it must also be because I've removed this this food from my diet so I get compliance. So yes topical treatments work, but they work just on the outside. You have to actually repair what's going on on the inside. Yes. Absolutely. It makes sense. And like what are your views? I guess some people cutting out complete food groups due to a skin condition with spoken in briefly about it. But why should some people do it? Why shouldn't they how do they know when they should mmm? Look unless you have an allergy. I'm not a fan of cutting Foods out completely or indefinitely right? There is there is a time when you have in terms that you may need to do it for a certain amount of time. But unless you have an allergy I wouldn't do it. So our bodies are so smart. They infinitely complex. They have the ability to self repair. Sometimes I may need a little bit of help with the right diet probiotics or enzymes, but generally the body can repair itself like when you cut your finger Magic Ben's it repairs So my answer is do do a food intolerance test, right? And when you do this test, it will tell you what you need to avoid Now by avoid I mean just to avoid for a period of time. Usually it's three four five months depends on the severity of that intolerance and then you for example reduce your intake by half or reduce it even more. Let's say instead of every second date have it every second week or whatever it is or don't it'd be so strict with the ingredients on the back like cake if it's got wheat in it and you've got a gluten intolerance. Well instead of having a Big Slice of a small slice now, I think that's a good idea because over time you can reintroduce that food back into your diet. You don't want to eliminate something entirely because a lot of people go on these fad diets like they eliminate Dairy Citrus lutein the nightshade family and they do it for months only to find that the intolerance was Due to one of those food groups. So if you're going to eliminate for extended periods of time do it one food at a time and start with the obvious offenders like gluten and then yeast and then egg and then Dairy but give each food one month off and then see if there's any Improvement in them conditions. Now some practitioners will say three months off depends on the severity of what your symptoms are. So if you see that after removing gluten for one month the you know, your symptoms have reduced. Then you know that's the offending ingredient and he didn't waste your time reducing everything in your diet because it's unrealistic and in some way in some ways. You'll be reducing some nutrients that you may need from a particular food group. Particularly Citrus, right? If you remove all citrus from your diet, well, you have to consider where else can I supplement my vitamin C or my bioflavonoids from so yeah, I don't recommend eliminating entirely indefinitely. And it's not like just because you're experiencing acne cut out Dairy yourself. It wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily be something that you just start doing yourself and testing or do you think it would be good a preliminary for someone to cut out certain things and then keep a record of it actually go to nutritionist. Yeah. So my first point is to see a nutritionist or a doctor that can guide you through the process, but look, Sometimes that's unrealistic and people want to do it themselves. And that's fine. As long as you keep a food diary and you are doing it responsibly. So if you say I'm cutting out all Dairy you have to considerable. What is dairy dairy is not just milk, but it's also cheese It's Yogurt. Some people have kefir. You have to look on the back of certain products to see if there's dairy or dairy substitutes in there. And sometimes it may not be Dairy. It could be soy, so if you're going to do it you concert on one food group at a time and do that for a month. Keep a food diary and then slowly reintroduce that food and then completely remove the next food. So before you go on to the next food that you eliminate make sure you completely reintroduce the previous food. So there's no confusion. Yeah, so someone say listening and they suspect that they may have an intolerance or allergy to something because they've got assistant X markup assistance. You're right. Assistant I guess skin conditions. What would you suggest they do? My first inkling is to if you suspect an allergy see a doctor or specialist and they will do a skin prick test or a blood test, right? If you suspect an allergy if you suspect an intolerance, there are practitioners that do a blood test procedure and you can get the result. There are some that'll do it and it'll take three or four weeks. But most of the time it only takes 40 minutes to be honest and some practitioners do prefer. Oh doing the Elimination Diet and monitoring symptoms, but I like using the intolerance food kit. It's quick. It's easy. It tests for about 40 different foods if you suspect an intolerance and it's the 40 most complex actually 46 common foods and if nothing comes up on that then there is a more detailed test that you can order through your health care practitioner and that'll check for over 200 different types of products ingredients including Preservatives colorings and so on and so forth. Keep in mind that most practitioners will ask you please have you have you got a diary of some sort that explains to me what your symptoms are based on what you've eaten. So if you're going to go into its their practice and they may request that information first. Yeah that makes sense in our preliminary interview explained how your role saw you assisting treatments of Any skin conditions? Can you tell us a little bit more about your experience actually working in a clinical setting as intuitionist treating skin God that was a while ago. But yeah, so I started working off in an aesthetic clinic right in my final year at Uni and that was just give me a bit of understanding how clinics work. What's the flow of life like in a clinic and it was with a doctor as well as with dermal therapists and most people that would come in would come first simple cosmetic procedures under the The guidance of these professionals so injectables anti-wrinkle laser therapy peels microdermabrasion aim it right but no one was targeting the nutritional side of things. Everything was topical. Now I came in and I would see patients and I just became fascinated with how the skin was a map for the body. I loved it. I was like, wow, you know, I'm starting to see similarities in people that have acne. For example on the jawline. Most of these people have got hormonal imbalances as opposed to someone that's got acne on the forehead or something. It's got acne on the lows. They're different. They're do two different things. I would see a lot of people that add keratosis pilaris X Mama dermatitis or psoriasis and I could see patterns in their in their age group and in the diet, and I was just thinking, you know, there is so much to be said for working together in a clinic because I've got the doctors that can prescribe retinoids internally, like orally I've got dermal therapists that can work on the skin to make them look wonderful and feel good about themselves because that's Really important as well because most skin conditions is all about how you feel about yourself as well. And I'd work on repairing the gut so that we could you know reduce having the the internal medication right. Now. I found myself suggesting supplements to these patients to take internally and then I realized with my biochem knowledge that I could suggest the right products that they would use on their skin because I'm not immune I And money on Face Care skin care, I love it and it's good to have knowledge to look at the ingredients and go right you need for example salicylic acid to break down the oil part component of your skin or you need benzoyl peroxide because acts as an agent that kills off the acne bacteria. So having that knowledge rather than just blindly telling people to take products having that knowledge was really important the GP you and Adam are therapists Dream Team. Haha, it was really good. It was really good. And and what would the diff like when you I'm just really interested about that role as well. When you first came on board. Was it something that they recognize that some of these skin conditions could be benefited from changing someone's dietary or lifestyle habits, and that's why your board on or did it just kind of work out that way. The doctor was the one that actually saw it. He was he did Fat injections as well. Well, so, you know the injections that help reduce the fat content in the body and I was initially initially taken on to do that. But to be honest, I didn't have much interest and I sort of developed my own Niche, right? So he would say Vicky. Can you work with these people to get their diet under control so they could lose weight faster while this injectable is working like yeah. Okay, no worries, but then he would see patients that had severe acne and I would be like hey, do you mind if I take some of these patients? And then I can help them and then you probably don't have to see as many of these types of patients and you can focus more on the injectables and I can focus on people that are displaying with you know, skin problems like real conditions that can be alleviated through diet and he was like, yeah sure and that's how it evolved. That's the reality of it be your thoughts on an integrative approach to treating skin conditions. I'm sure you say all for it. But what about those clinics that may not have a nutritionist or even Just that are working, you know alone and perhaps they they are not working with them or therapist, but they're saying a lot of people for skin like what would you say to them? And and also then it comes back to that actual client when you're treating a skin condition. Who do you go see first if then yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great questions. So I suppose the first party is if I was a patient and I'm saying I'm going to a clinic and I'm saying dermal Our pist I'm going to get instant results, you know by the second or third treatment. I'm going to see my skin looks amazing, but then I have to maintain that by seeing someone all the time and it is not to be expected that the dermal therapist will be able to give advice on diet. But I'm sure most of them would say have you considered that XYZ might be causing the problem. I reckon a lot of people in there quite in tune and a referral to a clinician and you know No, and nutritionists would be advisable but the same thing goes for a nutritionist that thinks that they can keep a patient for so long without sending them somewhere to get treatment immediately. I think you really need to work together and I think knowledge is power. I see that everyone wants to keep knowledge to themselves and patients to themselves, but it doesn't work like that. I think we need to share the love of bit and say hey I can help you with this part. I can help getting your gut back on track. But if you want to see results immediately because you've got some It's a wedding in a week's time when two weeks time go and look at getting some topical treatments done to your face or to your arms or legs or wherever it is. And the next part is sorry money. What was the last part of the question? You ask something the last part was well, so if you're working as a nutritionist separately or a dental therapist separately. I mean, how do you kind of work start working intra professionally if you're working in separate clinics, but also so if you're a client, who do you see first? Oh, yeah, who do you see first? Yeah. Look if I was a patient my first point of call would probably be to see a dermal therapist first because I know I'm going to get what I need straight away, but that's me other people may sort of go to a nutritionist first or to a doctor first, which is is also good. There is no right answer. It's it's you have to just see both and Most people would probably this day and age see a doctor first, but I'm thinking about myself 20 years ago. I would have seen Adam therapist first. That's that's the if I didn't have the knowledge of nutrition. I will probably see a dental therapist first, but we need to work together. I mean it's to be expected. You can't just work on the outside without fixing the inside. It makes sense, you know, people are smiling but they've got depression. I mean it works in and out. Yeah, that's exactly right. So, yeah, so it's So there's no real wrong answer. But if you are having a skin condition that is persistent and perhaps you're seeking treatment for it would be beneficial to see multiple even if that were at different clinics. But then also try getting them to all talk to each other as well. Yeah what and things so that everyone knows where everyone's at and so the treatments aren't conflicting with other medications or topical things that you're also doing exactly. Yeah. You mentioned something before that was interesting about seeing a dermal therapist. If you were to see a dental therapist first, or you go to an aesthetic clinic and they work on you and and then you cease that treatment and then your condition comes back. Then you know that you need to see another Healthcare practitioner to to work on the symptoms that you're you're manifesting that to me would make sense. But if you see a dermal therapist, they fixed your problem and then you don't continue with the treatment and there's nothing that's Back, well those night need to see a nutritionist. That's that's another thing. Yeah, it makes sense as well. And I think it's important for a therapist also recognize that if you're getting treatments, but it's only momentarily treatments then it is would be good to kind of refer on to someone else as well. Yeah, especially like the the cystic acne conditions then we can say oh that that to me is hormonal. We need to work on this. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely and go see an endocrinologist or so. Yeah, it's a habit work with those hormones. Just something that came up that I thought would be interesting is when someone's under going to certain treatments whether it be laser, whether it be kneeling whether it be something that's not so invasive with even facials or chemical peels and when you do your initial consultation the therapist or on the consultation form, there's usually are you on any medications and something when I was working in a clinic is often people would forget to list their vitamins. They get to list other herbes and the preparations that they think are natural. Would you be able to explain from you know your background why so important that when someone's undergoing treatments that they actually are really transparent and what they using because you've been on both sides you've worked in the Skin Clinic treating skin, you know what the treatments kind of involved but you also Come from the nutrition background as well. So you know how they work internally. Yeah, right. So I'll use a really simple example right of fish oil because most people would take fish oil fish oil is an anti-inflammatory. That's what it's designed for Zoey's what fish oil that's high in EPA or fish oil that time DHA or you've got a good balance of both, but that's what they're there for nerves eyesight anything that coats the nervous system the nerves in the nervous system as well as Anti-inflammatory. So if you have been suggested to take a fish oil for your ex not where your psoriasis then it's going to come at down. But the problem is if you end up getting treatment and you still present with that particular condition, but it's not obvious the so the condition is not obvious on the skin, but you get a chemical peel and underlying that is psoriasis catastrophic for the patient. You might not think that it's important to listen. At it but you do need to say right I'm taking for example fish oil or I am taking a particular herb that is also for my hormones or for my inflammation, but it's still there. Right? It's just not as noticeable. So then the dermal therapist or the clinician can say, okay. So why are you taking fish oil? What's the purpose of it is it's for your arthritis or aching joints? Okay. I don't need to worry. It's not for your skin condition. So therefore I can apply this high strength. Che you know peel on your skin yeah, you have to be completely transparent always yeah. Yes. I list everything on your consultation form. So K people. Yeah, very important very important. So this has been a fascinating conversation Vicki we've covered a lot of ground if someone wants to know more about food intolerances allergies or even skin where can they find more about you? Oh to find out more about me, huh? I have a really interesting website. It's a Vicky solar readers.com. I also recommend seeing a website if you're interested in intolerance sell food intolerance packs. There's a company called food detective.com today you but always if you're going to do something like this it is best to do it under the guidance of a doctor or Healthcare practitioner because they can guide you through how to reintroduce food slowly back into your diet and repair your body in. Process thank you so much for being a guest on today's show Closure formative and I think really fascinating to think about how nutrition and can have an effect on our skin. But also how these in tolerances can come out with is skin conditions, so it may not have thought about before. Mmm. I'm glad I'm glad I could help out and I was great fun. Talkin to ya. All right. Thanks Vicki. Thank you so much. What another great interview Vicki shared with us the difference between a food intolerance and a food allergy and gave some hot tips on how to recognize a food on intolerance on the skin the three deeper than skin insights that stood out to me were number one. I found it really interesting to learn how allergies and intolerances can display on the skin and that sometimes an intolerance may take several days to actually manifest. So keeping a skin diary. It is highly recommended. If you suspect that you may have an intolerance to something so that you can show your practitioner or nutritionist or medic number to working collaboratively leads to better outcomes in our interviews. I hear this time and time again, and while it's not a must to see multiple specialist specialist for one concern, it could certainly can be beneficial if your condition is persistent or if you suspect that there is an internal imbalance happening and number three and intolerance does Necessarily mean that you need to cut out that food type from your diet completely. It may just mean something that you need to limit your consumption or go off for a period of time. We don't promote self diagnosing by any means or cutting out entire food groups. So if any of the points sparked a thought that you may have an allergy or intolerance, it's recommended that you seek a healthcare professionals advise prior to undergoing any changes in your lifestyle. Are you feeling disempowered or confused about your skin? 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Food intolerance's and food allergies are at an all time high, today we are discussing the difference between a food intolerance and food allergy and the how and why it may manifest on the skin. Welcome to episode number 10 of the Heal Thy Skin Podcast, I’m Marni, your host and today I am speaking with Vicky Tsoleridis. Vicky is a nationally recognised nutritionist , speaker, blogger, book reviewer and the founder of MediMeals. Vicky worked in a skin clinic for 4 years treating psoriasis, eczema, acne (cystic, hormonal), scarring, stretch marks, wrinkles (topical treatments); melasma/hyperpigementation, keratosis, coeliac induced skin conditions (Dermatitis Herpetiformis), using food, topical treatments and nutritionals, laser/light therapy to achieve optimal skin health. Vicky now dedicates herself to Medimeals, a company that creates organic and minimally processed meals for families and restorative meals for patients to enjoy. Vicky shares how her journey working in a skin clinic improved patients outcomes and the how food intolerance's can present on the skin. Learn more about Vicky: https://www.vickytsoleridis.com/ http://www.medimeals.com.au/ Learn more about food intolerance kits: http://www.food-detective.com.au/  Be sure to subscribe to the podcast!

Hello and welcome to the heal within with Darkness podcast. And in this podcast, I will be talking about why do you keep longing for the narcissist even after being abused by them? You see when you are with a narcissist you or being exposed a lot of pain and occasional intervals of relief which may be in the form of love-bombing. Maybe the promises to change or to treat. You better your mind continuously goes through the confusing cycle of abuse and rare events of relief as a result of which it gets conditioned and addicted to these emotional highs and lows. It starts to see these intervals of relief as a source to escape the hell of constant pain and sadness and when you get away from the abuser The Narcissist, there are no intervals of relief anymore. But just the pain and that is when you start longing. And surprisingly it is not the narcissist that you long for in reality. It is a longing for the perceived leaf that comes with the painful presence of the narcissist.

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Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing. This episode is brought to you by Leon somebody who has been really helpful to our community this past week today Sergio and I will be talking about why Animal Crossing isn't quite treated like other games and Animal Crossing spin-offs, so to begin. Hello, Sergey O'Hara Are you doing hello chewy, I'm doing quite well, it's been it's been quite the week. How are you? I agree and I feel like it may not be immediately obvious what we're talking about. But of course we're going to be talking about this director in several ways. But yeah, I'm doing well. I'm recovering we both made videos following the direct to you know, just kind of talk about how we're feeling and yeah, I guess I don't know man. I could have sworn that we got an animal crossing announcement five months ago. And so it seemed like it was time to see the game, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I guess what are you feeling about that? Yeah. I let myself go with the hype and I was expecting to see the game. I was sure I was sure it was going to happen. It was time. I was so sure of it. And then when we need when it didn't happen I was Be upsetting but I guess I feel like I recovered pretty quickly too. But you know when I think about it, it's upsetting. I can relate just because like I thought there is no way that we are not going to see Animal Crossing now like no way they're there. I don't know. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. I was so sure and just like you I let myself get really excited. I was like everything's the whole world is going to change tomorrow and you know what it kind of changed but not in the way we wanted it to that's very true. So I made a video about how little animal crossing news we get from Nintendo. I wanted to talk about reasons as to why that may be the case. So before we start with that, how did you feel about the direct right after watching versus right now? So right after watching it, you know it was And I guess the worst part was when they said in this is the last game we're revealing today and it was it was bittersweet because I'm happy that Zelda links Awakening is getting a remake. It's one of my favorites eldest and it's looking really good. But at the time with they said that in the last game wasn't Animal Crossing like I was really hoping yeah, it hit me hard that, you know, we've been waiting five months and then we finally get a direct and it's over. And it's there's no Animal Crossing not even not even like a hint of it. Nothing at all what you're saying. It made me think right. Now. This was a weird direct ending because typically we get the one more reveal thing and then credits roll, but they even took the time to go back to that one guy, right? I always just call him the magician because of okay, let me let me get sidetracked. Real quick. I call him the magician because in 2017 January we got the big like Nintendo switch reveal and there was this whole conference and thing it really felt like those old. The III conferences at Nintendo used to have you know, yeah. And so anyways this guy what's his name? Do you know his name? Not the not up top of my head. No, I don't remember his name and I feel bad because I just keep calling him the magician, but he walks in. In and Jackie, she's never seen anything like this. And so I was just like you want to watch this with me. They're showing the new Nintendo switch console. We're going to see what this whole things about and she was like, yeah sure I'll watch it. And so this for her like on its own was this whole experience because she's never seen a conference like this before. But anyways, this guy watch walks in and I was like, is he a magician and then he does like some magic trick thing where the joy con comes out of his sleeve or something. And so I've always just called him the magician anyways, so that's my sidetracked conversation about that. So we get that trailer for Zelda. That was the big ending thing and then typically like when we get that one last thing it goes to like the credits, you know, it has the Nintendo logo. It says 2019 or whatever, you know, there's essentially just like an ending slide to the direct. Yes, but in this one, we got the Zelda trailer and then it goes back to him and then we're expecting more. Right right, right like but that was it. That was all of it. And so I don't know I was taken aback. I was I was surprised that that happened especially because like, you know, they're they're they're well aware that Animal Crossing fans are going crazy for this game like and this will maybe I'll bring this up a little bit later, but they talked about it a bit and their official podcast. But yeah, I'll get to that later, but they know for a fact that Animal Crossing. We're excited. We're looking for this game. And then there's just this weird decision to somehow not end it directly after this Zelda trailer and then just take us back to him expecting another announcement, you know? Yeah, and you know what I could have expected to see or it would have made sense why it comes back back to the magician. If you know, he says, okay, this is everything we were showing you today. Thank you for watching and then it cuts to a slide or an image say saying look out for an animal crossing Focus their act in April or something like that. I was hoping for that like even when the video ended I was just waiting there for a couple of seconds just to see if maybe you know, there's something else but now there was now that and that is an ending right there like to just show this awesome new Zelda game, which I can't deny it looks amazing. But and then just tell us like here you go Animal Crossing direct coming up. And but they just want what they don't throw us a bone. They won't let us know anything about this game. Yeah, it's so rough. So yeah, if you want to continue, let me know keep telling me how you felt how you feel now. Yeah, definitely so, you know at first I couldn't understand why they wouldn't show any of it or give us any details or even hint at them. So it took me a couple of days to realize it in you you pretty much called it the Act that. They didn't show it this early in the year. It just means that it's going to come out way late in the year, you know November December at the very earliest and that's why I guess I think they're ready to show you. They just don't want to because of that reason it's coming way later. Yeah, and I mean I keep thinking back to their I guess. What is it the financial report and get ahead all the stakeholders and such at this meeting the financial meeting and They essentially said like they said it like they were pretty confident that Animal Crossing is coming out in 2019. They wanted to reassure people that that was what was happening. So, I don't know. It just seemed like pretty it seemed very decisive to me that Animal Crossing is coming this year. It's not going to be delayed, but we're not going to show it yet. So it sounds to me like this is going to be somewhere between Member and December right? Like I'm placing it there just because literally all the last announcement we got was in August game. And so I'm just like, okay. Well, it sounds like we've got spring summer kind of worked out and maybe maybe in September we'll start to see like these later games start to pop up, you know. Yeah. Yeah and if that's the case and you know Nintendo was like saying we like to show games. When they're soon to come out and for the most part we will leave them but they themselves know they can break that rule whenever they want and they do it pretty frequently. So I I hope that's the reason and if that's the case, that's the reason the name makes sense why we didn't see across in yet and going with that. I'm expecting selda to in September. Hopefully then that's why they kind of show it they were able to show it now, you know now that's interesting you say that because now You for a long time. I've been saying Animal Crossing September. I thought you would have stuck to it even more at this point. No, I just I don't think I cannot with the signs or lack of science if you will. Okay, I think selda is going to be that data, which was September 20 2019. I can see that yeah, and we we got to think about because I don't know. I guess I've never pictured September being like a Video game release month, you know, like I don't know. I guess I did never seem like a big month to release a game to me, but perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that but maybe it's just like I don't know kids are getting back to school around that time. So they're you know, they're focused on studying like it's the beginning of the year. They write the most energy to put toward that at that point in their life, you know. And so the why distract them with the game, but anyways, like Zelda like when you say September for that, it does make sense because Zelda's the type of game that like you could release it at any point in the year and it's going to sell its going to Garner some interest from people, you know, right? Um, so yeah, I don't know and then may I keep saying it I'm crossing is a holiday cell machine like that thing will make tons of money, especially during the holiday that it's like such a child friendly game. It's so oriented towards so many different demographics. Like a lot of people are going to buy it at that point in time. You know, right? Yeah, so I guess so, how are you feeling after the fact like now that you've seen the direct come and go and A view re-watched it since then no not exactly. You know, I do the Nintendo jump podcast in pretty much right after the Drake happen. We also had our weekly recording in just by going through the notes on that episode. I kind of relieved everything and I kind of approached it with the mindset that okay. So there's no Animal Crossing. So now what did I miss because when I was watching the Drake for the first time, I was just wanting to see animal crossing and everything else was what's a Bonus, but I wasn't paying as much attention as as I should have. Yeah, and that's how I feel about them. Now like I tend to watch the directs twice maybe is sometimes four or five times, but I mostly watch the first time. I'm just like look I'm here for Animal Crossing news. And that's all I'm trying to figure out right now. And so I recognize that me going in like that. Is unfair to the rest of everything that's shown because you know, they're not Animal Crossing. They're a different game. It's just I have to watch it again to get the rest of the thing and luckily like I enjoy watching reaction videos like Arlo is always posting like his reactions to the direct. So I'm entertained by them. And so I end up watching it, you know a couple more times just by watching a couple more. I guess reactions all of these things. But yeah, typically I will watch it twice like the actual direct video and then I'll go back and do really watch the reactions and then I'm like, okay, it's nice to get a taste of what somebody else is feeling, you know, when they watch this wrecked because I know I have to like it's almost an out-of-body thing where I know the first time I'm watching. I'm just focused on seeing animals. Icing and then I don't get it. I'm like man bummer and then I have to watch it again and be like, okay, what did they show I know, you know this one and then lastly three and then the direct after E3 the one in September. I don't know why but I get nervous when I'm watching them as soon as they are about to start because we don't know, you know, we getting Animal Crossing. Okay. Now we have it announced are we gonna see it? I get so nervous in it. It makes them very memorable, but also very different. An experience to these latest directs. Yeah, it's weird to just like go on these emotional roller coasters all the way through especially with all of these recently pretty much like since E3 like all the directs last year. I was just like look Animal Crossing. Like I know you all have had to have been working on it by now. It has been so long. We've been expecting a Game in HD since the we you came out clearly like there's no doubt in my mind that you've been working on it. Just let me know. So yeah, just like last year the the tension started going up. I feel exactly yeah. So my watching experience the first time was kind of strange to I watched about 15 minutes of it and it was mostly like I was working and I had it on on and I was listening and when I heard something interesting, I'd kind of look at the screen, you know, but for the most part I was very I was very much just trying to listen for something animal crossing right and then I had to go to a meeting which wasn't even in the like same building that I was in work. And so I was like, oh, that's okay. I can hear it in the car or something while I go right and then nobody was at the meeting on time. I am and I was just sitting here looking at the chat while it was all happening because I was like At first I was not going to do that. I was like just gonna go in and watch it and see if I saw Animal Crossing, but I knew that I didn't want to miss out on seeing everybody's reactions and I had I just had to know I just had to know that when I got back to my desk after this meeting whether or not I was going to be able to see an animal Passing trailer at that point. So I started watching the chat and then I saw everybody get bummed, you know, and yeah, it was strange living through it like in that sense, but it also kind of like, I don't know it lightened the blow for me because it wasn't exactly like I was experiencing it. I was just kind of watching other people react and experience it and I was like, okay, I guess I didn't have to watch this thing. Yeah, it wasn't the like the ideal way for you to find out either or but it probably you know, it's for the best that the way things went the way they did. Yeah, and so like I said when I got back from work later that night I did watch it again and I was like man, there's some cool stuff coming up. I made a list of the things I liked I I'll list it out for you really quick Super Mario maker to of course. I'm stoked for that. Also. I've got to say like it's not every day that you get a Nintendo Direct that announces both the Mario and a Zelda game and like those are those are the two Nintendo icons, you know, so that's pretty cool. I think the bookends of it were strong. Yes. I've never played Dragon Quest both Builders or the like May PG thing but I've been interested for a while. I'm just like I have to get through some of my backlog because that's another hundred plus our game. Yeah, but I was interested only in Aki another RPG Fire Emblem another RPG. I like RPGs. I know a lot of people this direct was not great because it was very RPG heavy, but I don't know I gotta say like the RPGs that are starting a lot. We're starting to see a lot more on switch and It's not something that I'm going to complain about. Yeah for the longest time Nintendo systems kind of struggled with RPG. So it's it's nice to see them stay but I'll come back and stay strong. Yeah, and like this year like was very strong for me because I was already stoked for Tales of Vesperia that came out last month. I haven't gotten it yet because I've made my backlog rule as you know, right I've to get through it before I buy games. But anyways, like they're a lot of RPGs were like some of the reason that I was very stoked for 2019. We got all the final fantasies and stuff Final Fantasy 9 just surprised dropped another RPG that I'd want to get but I'm not going to quite yet Final Fantasy 7 is next month along with a chocobo everybody, right? Yeah Tetris 99 we're both. Saying that yes, it's pretty fun. I like that Delta Rune. I got undertale but I haven't played it yet. That's one of my backlog games. See I have great games in my backlog. So I shouldn't be buying more. So yeah, I want to play undertale and then try out Delta Rune it seems cool. But yeah, that was my list. I am made a list because I was like, okay, there's some stuff that I'm excited about and it really adds to The switch and what I'm going to get out of it, yeah, it gives me something to play while I wait for Animal Crossing to yeah exactly in that's that's why I want to see selda before Animal Crossing and and I think it is going to come out earlier so that I can play it without so they can play it honestly. I don't know if I would if Animal Crossing is out. I was wondering if did you play the original back in the day? No, I've never played this one. Yeah. Yeah, so the it'll be a brand new experience for me. Awesome. You're gonna love it. Yeah, I play a lot of Zelda games. I'm I've actually play more of the 3D ones. Like I've played every 3D Zelda game except I didn't finish Skyward Sword and even get through the tutorial of Skyward Sword, but that's another conversation for another time. So, yeah, I just I don't play a lot of top-down Zelda's and this art style is Horrible, I think it's going to be a really fun game to see and experience so I'm for it. Yeah, yeah, definitely and I think the biggest revealed for me was Link's Awakening. Like I said, even though it was a little Bittersweet but you know, I you know after the direct and then a couple of hours after when I was on my way back home, I felt like I needed to get something off my chest and in that way I did the audio recording the turning into the video that you described and you know, the bottom line is that I love our discourse community and I want the positivity to remain in the hype, especially the high because it wasn't just that direct itself. I feel like when they announced the show direct tomorrow. Oh man. I just let loose with the hype and I honestly I feel like my my own personal switch. We got flipped to the hype mode and it broke and it's going to stake in hype mode until until The game and I cannot wait to see it. Yeah, and honestly, I don't think they can go another direct without giving us something Animal Crossing know at this point. I think people are angry and if we need something just a little taste and because for all it for everybody who I always see this comment, like people are just like be patient. It's not time yet. They don't want to show it and I'm just like look got it all we have I've seen at this point is the title and it's not even like the title of the game. It was just the regular old Animal Crossing logo that we always have that's part of the title, you know? Yes, that's always seen on a some green background and there's a Nintendo switch logo in the corner and 2019 underneath that all of its. Oh, yes, right. So, you know, like there were new games announced today. Is this past direct that we Ever heard of but somehow we still got a little taste of it and that's all we're asking for just a little taste. So before we leave this topic, I did want to talk about some reasons as to why we just don't get as much Animal Crossing news and this is essentially the list I came up with one of the big things with Animal Crossing is that the clock is real Time That's What differs from this game when you play it you're playing in real time. And my I don't know I guess I always just think of like maybe Nintendo sees this fan base is like incredibly patient because we play a game that is essentially patients, you know, you play once a day every day and then after 300 days you are so far in this game. You've made you've made life for yourself, you know, right, so, I don't know. Maybe it's just the real time. Aspect that they feel like they don't have to say too much. The other thing I thought is they can't make a Mainline Animal Crossing game every year and the end. It's mostly because of that real time clock if they release to Mainline Animal Crossing games in less than a year. You didn't even get through a whole year of the other game before the new one comes out. Right? So like yeah, they just literally cannot put a new game out that It often so that just leads to the news coming out later and later. You know, right right. The next thing is it's a successful game and it doesn't need the marketing. We're going to buy it no matter what? Yeah, no matter how much they show and they kind of figured that they showed that perfectly with new Leaf like we saw for English announcement and then the game was out like in and that will ensure for sounds like a lot but With spread among three years three years of waiting and we saw it four times. We saw this game only four times in that amount of time, right? Yeah, so I don't know it's strange how little we see of it. And then I don't you you feel other games like breath of the wild sure. We only saw it like very seldomly throughout the we use lifespan. But as soon as it was was out there like we saw it all the time there were trailers there was their whole III Booth was dedicated to breath of the wild, you know, so everything was just all of it was Zelda and I'm like, okay. Well, we waited a long time to I know we're not as Alda. I know we're not like number 2 Nintendo icon, but we sell pretty well like the only three Zelda games that have sold more than In Animal Crossing New Leaf. So we do a great job. We're buying the game. Right? Right. And you know, I really like your point about being patient and it's true, you know us when we get a new Animal Crossing in we're going to be playing it for years, but I think that's the problem if we don't have the game like right now and we haven't seen it and we know it's coming soon. We kind of need to see it and I think Nintendo should know that So it's unlike, you know, like a Mario game or sold again people buy it and they beat it. Sometimes even in a couple of months or even weeks and then they want a new one because they're done that's not the case with Animal Crossing and I think maybe that's why we should get some sort of different treatment. Not a special just different more more focused or showing us what we want to see, you know, yeah, and that gets me to the last thing especially with what you're saying. And with like more focused I think Nintendo just sees that Animal Crossing shines best as a dedicated direct. Yes, the it's a we talk about this all the time. But Animal Crossing is a game where you move out and you buy a home and you have to pay off your mortgage to survive. You actually don't like it's not really a thing that you have to do, but it's pretty nice paying off your mortgage and building a bigger house and filling it with more things, but that's a strange. Concept for people who don't know about the game. So it feels like they know it has to have its own direct. It has to be shown off in a way where you can get a little bit more insight in what the gameplay is like because it's not the easiest game to consumed by ear, you know. Yeah, even by like a short little trailer like it's hard to capture like exactly what's going on. Yeah, exactly. Even the welcome amiibo up. They got a fairly lengthy direct. Yeah with the live KK Slider that was exciting. Yeah. And so, you know with that said there is that we have gotten Animal Crossing news. Unfortunately the news that we have gotten hasn't been quite what we wanted to see and it's been focused around spin-offs. So So let's actually move into our next topic and that is Animal Crossing spin-offs because there are a lot of good things to say about the spin-offs. I guess. I'll go ahead and start. I think the biggest struggle with the spin-offs that that we've gotten for Animal Crossing is that they've come at a time when we're all anticipating. Yes. I'm Mainline HD game. So if I took you back happy home designer and amiibo First of all both came out in 2015. So that's two years after Animal Crossing new Leaf and at that point people were expecting in the Animal Crossing Wii U game, you know, and instead we got another 3DS game and amiibo Festival which was you know for the Wii U, and I don't know I think just at that point like two years had passed that means we've gotten a full year with Animal Crossing and I think Most of all people just wanted to see an HD game, you know? Yes, and we kind of did it doesn't count though because they know what we mean. And so after that we got news in 2016 with the welcome amiibo update. Like you said, we got a very lengthy direct dedicated to that update. Yes, and in that spelled trouble for me because I was like, oh man, it might be a while before we see an animal crossing. And then finally in 2017, so like every year for since 2015 we've gotten some news. So 2015 2016 2017. We got the dedicated Animal Crossing direct once again, but this time it was for pocket camp and this time they let us know right out the gate that there was going to be no news about Animal Crossing switch. There's going to be nothing about Animal Crossing another anything but the most Mobile title right, you know, right and so all the while like in 2017 by the time it was the pocket Camp one. We're like, okay the switch is out. Now we didn't get one on the Wii U, but we're getting one on the switch right and still no still nothing. It's still very little news and then we jump forward yet another year 2018 and they give us the announcement that Animal Crossing is coming. The switch in 2019. So technically we've gotten use for Animal Crossing every year. Yeah, but the issue with all of these news, I guess news Cycles are that essentially? We've been waiting for a Mainline HD game like that that one little fact right there has always been in the way of the news that we have gotten for Animal Crossing. Right? Right. Yeah, so I don't know I guess I don't know. I just don't know how they could fix that. You know, I don't think it's something that can be fixed until we actually do get that Mainline game because I know for a fact that I The way Animal Crossing works like we mentioned before it's a real-time game. You can't put one out every year but you can do a spin-off and we've essentially gotten that every year, but when I think this is going to work a lot more successfully when Animal Crossing switch comes out, we're going to get Animal Crossing switch. It's going to be really great. We're all going to be very happy, but then Maybe so 2019 we get the game maybe 2020 we get like a happy home designer to or maybe they'll revisit amiibo festival and be like, all right, maybe amiibo Festival isn't the greatest party game, but we can make a party game for Animal Crossing. That's awesome. And then they make like a new party game for Animal Crossing by no because a year after Animal Crossing is out. We're not going to be upset about that. We're going to be happy about it. You know, right? Hmm. Yeah, so that's my thing. Yes. What are you thinking? You know what it what this reminds me of an and I really liked your point in it's very very true. It reminds me of when Metroid Prime Federation force was announced for the 3DS. The Madrid fan base had been wanting a new Metroid game for the longest time. They it didn't matter to them if it was on a console or a handheld. They just wanted I knew traditional Metroid game and then when Nintendo announced a spin-off in it definitely wasn't what people were expecting or wanting and there was a lot of backlash in I was recently listening to an older part because I was talking when this was going on and then somebody said well, how come people didn't complain when Metroid got a pinball game on that DS in someone brought it brought up a really good point. It's because at that point Nintendo was still making really good Metroid games Metroid Prime 2 Been recently released in I think that's the case here Animal Crossing has been getting a lot of spin-offs and that's good by itself. But we need the main line games. We need to be playing the main language and then the spin-offs to compliment that I think like you're saying in the next coming years if we see a lot of Animal Crossing spin-offs, I think that's going to work really really well. I agree and like I I'm Pro AC spin-off. I loved happy home designer. I played amiibo Festival. I still have fun with pocket camp and you know, I would actually want to see them revisit that party idea for Animal Crossing and make an animal crossing party game, you know, definitely because I think that idea has a lot of potential and they just didn't quite pull it off very well. But yeah, I don't know I'll I've been loving the spin-offs. I think they've done a great job with it and I think once animal Switch comes out. I think the spin-offs are going to be much better received. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, and yeah, like you're saying exactly like Metroid has gotten treated like that far longer than Animal Crossing has so yeah, it's time it's time to see that change and I think it will I think after this year it's going to feel a lot different. It's going to feel better, you know. Yeah, definitely and I sure hope so I'm also in favor of spin-offs for sure and you know, it could get interesting. I don't want to say tricky but let's say for example Nintendo decides to do spin-offs. They could either have a second party like one of their development Partners handle it or I'd like a side team and if that's the case the main theme can still be working on either DLC for Animal Crossing switch if we get that or the next entry whenever that is so they can start early and you know, get everything going hopefully as soon as possible. On the other hand if the main team wants to handle the spin-offs. I think that's okay too because they can Branch off on doing different things that they couldn't try before and most of the time those things end up becoming a part of the main like series like like it happened with happy home designer. So either way, you know more spin-offs. It's just good news for Animal Crossing and I like what you're saying about the main team going to make the next like Animal Crossing spin-off because the main team did make happy home designer. There were tons of really cool ideas that came up with it. And that's why I'm like, I'm very excited for the next game because I have a feeling we're getting a lot of those really cool features that we got from happy home designer and that's going to be that's going to be great. It's going to be so awesome being able to place a rug on my carpet and you know place other cool things on that other stuff on the ceiling even you know, like there's a lot of little things that they added that I think are going to make it in just because a lot of the main staff to the game worked on the game, you know, yeah. Yeah and for happy home designer honestly, and we discussed this in previous episodes that we agree that it's the best spin-off of the three that we have. So I think it's one. It's also the one that would be that would make the most sense as its own Series so I can definitely see happy home designer two or more in the future. But you know, what else I was thinking of I can also see it as the Elsie for Animal Crossing switch I can see you having to pay for this like the happy home designer expansion and then you get the ability to hope to work for The Happy Home Academy and you can do so at your own time whenever you want to it's like an additional feature that you get in the main line game. So I like both ideas. I honestly don't know which one I would prefer. I mean, I don't know. There are a lot of really cool things they could do personally. I kind of leaned toward like a happy home designer. R2 but like they add like city planning on top of it because you know, like people go crazy like putting paths all over their town and you know, placing figuring out ways to place homes exactly where they want to but like to be able to design like a whole town and then decorate every house and yard and everything and then go through and walk around it and interact with like Villages like they could Sims it up and it would work very well you No, yes. Yeah, so I lean toward that I personally I'm all for it. Like if we get Animal Crossing switch 2019 this year and then 2021 like a super cool happy home designer like that. Yes, sign me up. I'm for ya into it. So after two years, I think it's a good transition period from the main line to a spin-off. You know, what we wait for the next Main Line. Yeah. It's just the cycle. Yeah. And you know, it probably wouldn't take so long for them to work on that because they will surely work with the same assets that they had for Animal Crossing switch because that's what they did with happy home designer. So yeah, the it shouldn't be too bad. And then that way I feel like this just gives them the opportunity to mess with some ideas that they couldn't quite do for the mainline game and figure out a good way for a good ways to grow for the next game. Yeah, right. So yeah, I'm all for that experimentation and growing what growing off of what exists? Yes. Yes. And also like I said for a Medieval Festival to I I want to see what they can do without the pressure of just wanting to release a game that's quickly as possible to take advantage of amiibo. We kind of said that that's really why the game came out it came out to use amiibo and I'm pretty sure they had a lot of other ideas or they could do so much more. They could add actual mini games. The the system itself would be a lot less luck base. You would be more interesting and I'm sure they would add online play which would be great to have in that one. Yeah, I know man. We can't even get online play on Mario Party. But if Animal Crossing got it if Animal Crossing was the new Mario Party it would be the greatest thing. Yeah, so because I mean we just need a party game that distinguishes. Has itself from what already exists and you know, like Mario party. It's still missing the mark on some parts, but they couldn't take the chance with Animal Crossing make it great. Make it fun. Make it online. Right definitely and then, you know also I was reminded of the to the minigames that were added with the welcome amiibo update in you know, I'm sure there's our Island Escape was already included in a Medieval Festival but imagine that like a more fleshed-out version. I can see that being its own game. It's on downloadable game. They could they could add a lot of features there at some multiplayer online play. I'll be down for that. Yeah and Animal Crossing Survival game. I'm down. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, and the other one, I think it's a little it goes under the radar don't know how many people like possibly or the tetris attack formula from from back in the SNES days. I love it. It's my favorite type of puzzle game in when they added it to what come at me with me and that was so much fun. So I want them to do something like they did for Tetris 99. I want to Battle Royale are Bertrand of that. We play it so much. There you go. Everything's getting a battle royale. Tetris just got it and I think that's opening the floodgates for that for sure. We're getting Animal Crossing Battle Royale Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of cool things that I would love to see happen. But you know, I want to see it happen after we get this man. Yes game thats the caveat there like that's that's all we're waiting for. And yeah, I think that's the main thing for people to understand its that it's time for. Some series to just have new games. That's all we need. Yes, right. So when we get spin-offs after the mainline game is out. The people that have been playing the main line game are going to be interested in the people that skipped it might be interested in the spin-offs and then they all become fans of the main line. I think the same thing happened with pocket Camp a lot. I just I guess just escaping the Wii U really it didn't hurt the series but it heard the timing of the main. Line releases for sure. Yeah, definitely and you know, it's funny because when I made my video I did see some comments from people who knew Leaf was their first game so they didn't they weren't like anticipating the game like we were for three years and so they were just generally unaware that that is how the news Cycles tend to go for Animal Crossing, right? So yeah, it's just I'm glad that we're close to the game and that it's going to change things. I think it's because consistently we've been getting Animal Crossing news every year, but now that we're getting the news that we want. It's going to get better. It's just going to be better. Right? Right. So let's go ahead and hop into Hagen's villager corner for everybody who doesn't know Higgins villager corner. I ask a question to our patreon patrons and They get to answer it and we share it on the show. So this week's question is how did you feel about the recent Nintendo Direct? I had to ask them. Okay, we'll just go back and forth again. So Verity be says I was only watching for Animal Crossing. So I didn't appreciate anything else they were saying until the second watch. There was a lot of anime, which I'm not at all interested in. The only thing I'm interested in is Super Mario maker and the new Zelda. I don't think we got what we deserved in terms of on Animal Crossing. Yeah, I think we're probably going to see these sentiments a lot but the bookends to this direct we're strong. Like I said Mario and Zelda. Those are the Nintendo icons like when you put those both in a direct, especially when you open and you close with them. Yeah, it's kind of hard to get mad at all that middle stuff but it is you know, is she is she is still saying that like we Get Animal Crossing and it's a bummer. Yeah, so yeah, it took a second watching just to appreciate that. It is true. We kind of all agree on that. So the next sensor is by many in the answer is love the captain told you LC love Super Mario maker to love Link's Awakening. That's about it. I'm not that big into anime. So like 70% of the direct was to snore for me. Those are really good games that I mean like another not to Mario and Zelda. Yeah, yeah, definitely and yeah another nod to anime to so grisly Nina says I didn't get to watch the whole direct live and I was absolutely shocked on. My phone wasn't blowing up with Animal Crossing news. This one has really dealt a blow to my self-esteem if feeling pretty down lately. Oh no. Oh, this is so sad. Yeah. It's a bummer to wait for an event for five. It's and then not see what you want to see and then all of a sudden like you just expect to see nothing but good news popping up on your phone. So yeah, it's fine. Yeah, and with the other games analogy, I don't know part of you feels bad that you're not excited. But we understand we understand that we were in it for one thing and we didn't get that thing. So there is this, you know, it's second second watching second discussion type of thing and definitely the next answer. ER is by Les electron and the answer is some good games said we didn't get Animal Crossing news. However, I'm hopeful again for a full Animal Crossing dedicated direct. It's going to happen. I believe it. I'm I'm for it. We need to see the full thing. It's going to when we do finally get to see this game. It's going to blow Minds. It's going to be amazing. It's gonna be so awesome. You know. Yeah, I keep dreaming about it. I know I know he was so close. You know, I'm just gonna go ahead and say my prediction. I think we're gonna get either a dedicated Animal Crossing Direct in May. Or we're going to see the game at E3 either one, you know, I'm kind of hoping that we see it in me. Yeah, I guess the one I will say way back in the day for Animal Crossing happy home designer and amiibo Festival in 2015. We got a lot of really great coverage for those games at E3. There was Nintendo Treehouse segments dedicated to those games each separately to so they each got like really shown off really well. So I do think when we get that it's going to be the coolest thing that we could ever watch. Yes. Yeah, we should probably start planning re three-day event. Yeah. So Sarah says while I was watching the direct with some friends from the Discord I couldn't wait to get through each game. I was so excited to see some Animal Crossing content that I hardly paid attention to the other parts of the direct. Obviously by the end. I was really really disappointed. And I think only caring about the Animal Crossing content contributed to my disappointment as time has passed. I felt better about the direct and the lack of Animal Crossing news, really nothing has changed and no news is better than bad news watching Sergio's video really helped me as well and reminded me that we have a lot to be excited for this year. And yeah, I feel like I've seen the sentiment a lot for your video Sergio. But yeah, you really came in and saved. Of the day for everyone. I think just what you had to say was like, let's just be excited because it's going to it's going to happen, you know. Yeah, so and it just increases the chances of the next time the next event having Animal Crossing content. It's exponentially grows the chances so it has to happen next time. Definitely. Next. We have the answer by tap. The answer is very disappointed. I was so sure we would see it get a released. Time frame and get a title sir. Just encouraging video did make me feel a little better. Thank you so much. The game is still coming and we still have it to look forward to even though we didn't get to see it. As soon as we want it. At least I'm no longer constantly anticipating and looking for a direct announcement for the time being since we just had one that's true. We're going to be coming down a little bit in not checking Twitter first thing in the morning every day. I mean, I won't I will probably still do that. At but I won't do it with the thought that like, oh, there's going to be a direct announced at any moment. Now, you know, right right so but yeah it is we're going to have a little break for a little while and we might as well just get excited for the next time. Yes infinite Mallet says, of course, I was disappointed that Animal Crossing didn't show up in the direct regarding the things that actually were in the direct I grew up as a big fan of RPGs and it seems like the switch is becoming Home for that genre. So I'm happy about that. I'm staying positive and hoping that we'll get an animal crossing specific direct before E3. So yeah, I mean, I I mentioned I'm a fan of RPGs. So I kind of liked a lot of the stuff that was shown off. I understand why it wasn't for everybody. But yeah, it would be cool to see an animal crossing specific direct before E3. I would not mind at all. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of see that now a lot actually Lie, because they would they would get probably the release month out of the way be of the direct and then they can say this game is going to be part of our you tree showcase a big part. Look forward to it mostly on the Treehouse events. I just see in the yeah, I would expect it to be a big part of the III showcase. I'm expecting to be at this point. I think it's going to show up at E3 regardless of if it's announced before announced at E3 or Guess shown off at this point. But yeah, I think at this point in time, we're going to get really good III coverage for the game. Yes. Yes. Definitely. The next answer is by Grace or a penguin named Abraham. Honestly, I'm not too bummed about it. I was only watching for Animal Crossing but we did get some great announcements that I feel they didn't focus on Fire Emblem too much. Also the Yoshi demo is super fun and cute. But yeah, I'm still feeling pretty optimistic. Optimistic now that we know that Animal Crossing is coming is just a matter of waiting to learn more and I can deal with that certainly a lot more than I could deal with waiting for news that year and it's not like we're alone people are still waiting for news on Pokemon in Luigi's Mansion. Whenever anything that wants to show us the game is probably the best times for us to see it. Yeah, it's true. He's definitely and I've been suspicious about Animal Crossing being at the end of the year. And for me it was mostly confirmed because we didn't see two other big games that could be slated for the end of the year, you know. Well we know Pokemon is late 2019 and see only one that has been labeled as late 2019, you know. Yeah, so Luigi's Mansion. I think everybody's been expecting an October release for that one. And so Yeah, just those two games weren't mentioned alongside Animal Crossing seems to be pushing my thoughts that it's going to be late. 2019. Yeah. Yeah, and those lame ones that are getting that are starting to look a little crowded already. That's that's kind of when I want to see cell died in September before everything gets jumbled into the last three months, you know. Yeah, you're right. We're not going to care about any other games once Animal Crossing is out. So at me says sure it was pointing at the time but looking back on it. It wasn't that bad. I'm super excited for Mario maker to Link's Awakening and finally getting a chance to try that Rune Factory series still I was so sure that they had to show something about Animal Crossing after all it's been five months since the announcement and isn't it one of their best-selling series pretty disappointing, but now I'm just excited for the next direct this time for sure this time for sure. Yeah, that's how I feel. Like I'm just like come on you guys you really you gotta say something you show us a trailer. It doesn't matter if it's coming out in I don't know the end of the year. Just we want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, you're saying 2019 shows show the proof Chef some proof. Yeah, and I was learning a little bit about Rune Factory. I guess the people who worked on Harvest Moon also made Rune Factory. So yes, I it sounds cool. It's I'm interested. Ed. Oh nice the next answer is by dragon and he says I think it was a pretty good direct. Obviously. No Animal Crossing news is a bummer. But the way the book ended with Mario maker to in Link's Awakening with several other notable things in between. I was pretty happy with this as it is Animal Crossing fans will get their time in the sun soon. I'm sure but there's a lot of other great stuff to look forward to as well. Yeah, and like I said, I'm going to be very busy playing a bunch of fun games while we wait for that. Yeah, and you know, hopefully I'm pretty sure at least these two should be coming out before Animal Crossing. Yeah, that's definitely that could be the case at least Mario Maker for sure is yes at this point in time. We just don't know Trevor GT says I honestly like they I honestly felt like they supplied us with so much filler and not much substance. Students not even with the bias of being an animal crossing fan there wasn't much information at all for big titles that are coming this year. Even for a fire emblem. I felt like we just got a backstory and none of what will be new or the playstyle to make a long story a long story long. I think they gave us all this filler because we're begging for a direct kind of see it as a power play to continue to build hype and still have hope for news in the future. Oh, yeah, it sounds like Trevor was not impressed with what they showed and you know, that's fair. I think Animal Crossing fans. They I've said this for a long time, but I feel like it draws in a demographic of Gamers who want something different out of the switch and that's why I feel like it sells consoles because people who want to play Animal Crossing like they want to play it. It's a major game for them. And so yeah, it's a lot of what they showed just Him for everybody, you know. Yeah and I think a big part of it also is if they really want to stick to that rule that the only want to show games that are coming out soon. I'm all for that as long as they do keep that promise. So, you know, then that just means that the next time they show more games it's going to be the ones that we want to see or the ones that most people want to see and us to like more details on Pokemon Luigi's Mansion in of course Animal Crossing. So, let's see if Nintendo sticks with that this time. Yeah for sure. Sure. Our last answer is by cyborg hero and he says I was initially pretty disappointed now. It's just all right, so much stuff. I liked a lot I didn't care about it was fine. Yep, and that sums it up like, you know, everything in a direct is not going to be your cup of tea. And unless you're like, I don't know Dragon who plays every single thing. But yeah, but the Some other things that you are excited about, that's nice. I think that's nice. There has to be a little bit of something for everybody and each direct, you know, yes in this gives us more a couple more months to play games that are we're playing or that are going to be coming out because as soon as Animal Crossing drops a lot of things that are going to stop in we're going to be happy about it. So let's make the most out of these months of quote-unquote piece. Yeah. Let's just do it. Let's keep waiting. So thank you all so much for listening. If you want to be part of the conversation on all things Animal Crossing, please join our Discord. It's been growing like crazy. I have a link in the description of this podcast. It's totally free to join. You don't have to be a patron and if you do join you can get Sergio on my friend codes and a whole lot of people to hang out with and talk about Animal Crossing. If you do want to become a patron, please visit patreon.com chewy place in tendo for just $1. 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Today, we're recovering from the Nintendo Direct. Both Sergio and I were expecting some major news for Animal Crossing Switch but were left with nothing. Not a single trailer, no mention of the game whatsoever. So we talk a bit about the direct, how we felt while watching and how we feel about it now. We also talk about some reasons as to why Animal Crossing isn't talked about very often by Nintendo. After that, we get into Animal Crossing Spin Offs and their future role in the franchise. We're both fans of mainline Animal Crossing games but agree that Nintendo should continue to pump out other Animal Crossing games. Finally, we end the show by getting our Patron's thoughts on the direct.

You were listening to the nasm CPT podcast with Rick Richie the official podcast of the National Academy of sports medicine. Welcome to the nasm CPT podcast. My name is Rick Ritchie. And today we're going to have a debate the debate is on whether there is a controversy here between drawing in the navel to stabilize the spine or abdominal hollowing versus to brace this. Heh.embracing so abdominal hollowing or drawing in the navel sucking in the belly button towards the spine and that's where the transverse abdominis is primarily is which wraps around the entire abdominal region when you contract that it sucks the belly button in towards the spine abdominal bracing on the other hand is almost like I don't know you're gonna get punched in the abdomen and you tighten your core really tight in order to make your abs tight so which Is a value in order to stabilize the spine and the debate is really coming because there are people that have a tendency and these are Professionals in the field that do this as well. They have a tendency to pick one and then they downplay the validity and the value of the other even though they both have plenty of research behind them so show value it's just why are they valuable? And what did they do? And is there a potential where one would work and Lieu of another or work better than another so we're going to look at the evidence today. This is going to be a research heavy day. And I don't actually I've got all the research here and I've got it written out but I write out their name, so I can't pronounce a lot of these peoples names and there's a lot of atolls in here. So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to say research shows and that's going to that's going to help to cover my base for the Purposes of this podcast and then we'll be able to provide some maybe some written content. So you can look at some of the research itself. If you wanted to look it up and find out where it comes from but let's talk about research surrounding abdominal hollowing and abdominal bracing we're provide a better understanding of the literature and the research and the evidence that is out there. Now one thing very important to note a research study doesn't prove anything research studies. Don't prove anything. Search studies show a correlation between variables and it is important to use all of the research that's out there. So this is things like systematic reviews. These are meta-analysis. This is taking all or many of the research that is out there on a particular topic put it together in a large study to find out what content is there and see if it creates a better whole picture understanding of what certain things do. So with that being said, Ed there is a lot of research on each one of these topics. So what I want to do is discuss it and get into the idea of where these things started and really a part of it started with Berg Mark who in 1989 identified the lumbo-pelvic hip complex and divided it into two systems like a local system where those are the intrinsic stabilizers of the spine and a global system which are the Larger movement muscles of the spine that also crossed the lumbo-pelvic hip complex and these muscles influence everything that we do because the lph see the lumbo-pelvic hip complex. The core is the center of the body. So anytime we push with the arm then it has to Anchor itself onto our axial skeleton with muscles and the axial skeleton has to stay strong in order for us to push pull rotate and stabilize things when we are grasping. So same thing goes with our legs. So the core is very important and exercise and we're going to look at let's let's talk about abdominal hollowing first. All right. So let's just have the conversation of domino hollowing is drawing in the navel towards your spine and there's a landmark study that created this this real big buzz around the transverse abdominis and its importance in training. So a very long time you started getting people across the boards and Fitness and in Pilates and modalities that were really important and helping with spinal stabilization queuing over and over again draw the navel in belly button in belly button towards the spine. So whatever their their language was in order to use it people are trying to get people to suck their belly buttons and towards their spine activating their transverse abdominus and creating this intra-abdominal pressure through the drawing in maneuver. Well, that's a good it was good because there's a there's content to support that we're going to talk about it. But let's talk about where it got its start and Richards Richardson and Hodges had a landmark study back in the day and I don't actually have to study written down in my notes right now, but it is a landmark study and it showed that there was a delayed and transverse abdominis activation for people that experienced chronic low back pain. People with chronic low back pain when they would have them do a movement muscles would activate and then it would be a delayed activation of the transverse abdominus and this was a very important thing to notice and so they started pushing this concept and and the industry started picking up on the concept that spinal stabilization and lower back pain was linked with the transverse abdominis. Now, we don't know if there's a chicken or an egg situation though. That is the lower back pain in existence because there was a delayed reaction in the transverse abdominus or is there a delay in the transverse abdominis because their back hurts we don't know but I think one of the concepts here is that people would start creating this Pre activation of the transverse abdominus to support the spine. So they would say drawing your navel and that would then create this spinal support before people would start to do movement and exercises. But a study in 2009 came out and said that these patterns are exhibited in multiple different muscle types. Not just the transverse abdominus so that might happen with the internal obliques. I might happen with rectus abdominus or the ql that these delayed activation patterns are not solely seen in the transverse abdominis, which people are low back pain and they're not solely seen in people with low back pain that there is always some type of delay. Way in something when people are doing exercises when it comes to muscle recruitment Activation. So we're we're almost at a stalemate right now these Concepts because yes as a transverse abdominis important to spinal stabilization, I believe so lower back pain. Yes, we believe so but what is the literature than continue to say about the drawing in maneuver? And then we spent a little bit more time talking about abdominal bracing. So the stabilization of the spine is incredibly important. Yeah, I don't think you're going to find any therapist or researcher that's going to argue that point that it's not it definitely is and we're going to we're going to go through some of the literature talking about a gentleman named Stu. McGill Stuart McGill. It's kind of like the father of spinal exercises and spinal research when it comes to exercise but Stu McGill downplays the value of drawing in the belly button or abdominal hollowing Slowly so just solely abdominal hollowing. So let's talk about some of the research that's out there. Let's talk about Stu McGill stance. Let's talk about abdominal bracing and evidence does show that the Deep abdominal muscles are going to be more activated with abdominal hollowing than surface muscles that actually are activated more when you do abdominal bracing and abdominal hollowing has showed to increase local spinal stabilizers strength. Been shown to say that we're going to minimize the facility facilitation of the global muscles during activity when you're drawing in so the other muscles don't have to support in it stabilization as much when the drawing in maneuver takes place abdominal Halloween was found Superior to abdominal bracing for increasing lumbo-pelvic hip stability and legs stiff and stiffness and hopping task. So single-leg Dynamic activity. Well again, that's one study. But this was the outcome that was seen and though it does seem that maintaining a neutral spine and Costo diaphragmatic breathing that is chest and belly breathing is important for the optimization of abdominal hollowing when it comes to stabilization of the spine. So that means when you go into like an anterior pelvic tilt and do abdominal bracing or posterior pelvic tilt then it doesn't stabilize the spine as much as when you 10 more of a neutral spine position also when it comes to breathing doing just belly breathing or just chest breathing is not as advantageous when it comes to stabilizing the spine as it is if you use both you breathe as a unit not just pick your chest or pick your belly in order to breathe from which I believe is probably a better outcome when it comes to breathing anyway using the entire abdominal a thorax region to support breathing. Then then we find research that supports that doing that while abdominal Halloween helps to support the spine. Okay. There's also some very interesting information about breathing when it comes to stabilization of this by and and there was a study done and McGill was part of this study that talked about expiration and the full expiration if you just breathe everything out shows It's significant increase in external obliques internal obliques transverse abdominis activation when compared to both abdominal hollowing and abdominal bracing. So I like adding this into it because we're looking at now using our breathing to help create support for the spine while doing exercise and what might that look like. So again, this is this is the research we're not looking at any practical applications right now. We're just finding research that I see. supporting the validity of doing the drawing in maneuver abdominal hauling As a thank you for listening to the nasm CPT podcast. I've got a special offer for you 20% off of any nasm order. 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Things because the global muscles are starting to work and to help stabilize the spine, but I don't think that that is completely and always the case. So we want to be conscious of what the information says and then how we start to apply it. So we've got here a vertical jump Landing tests and they had abdominal bracing and says that it shown to enhance pelvic stability increase sensory motor. And positioning of the lower extremity and helps with reducing biomechanical factors associated with ACL and a jury while protecting the lumbar spine. That sounds valuable. Let's look at and you know check mark for abdominal bracing. We've got multiple data out there that questions the efficacy of treating lower back pain solely by using abdominal hollowing. So for those that say somebody's got lower back pain just do abdominal hollowing and that can help. Mitigate the effects of lower back pain and that's not necessarily true either research out there supports it. But if you're looking at it said you're all you're doing is abdominal hollowing then you might not be doing enough. So let's continue down this this this line of questioning here. Let's go back to McGill. Now who's arguably one of the generations top researchers on exercise and it's fun and admittedly he is not a fan of abdominal Halloween because he argues that the transverse abdominus should activate when you do abdominal bracing and he's a big proponent of abdominal bracing in order to stabilize the spine, but why I only draw in when when you can support the spine from multiple different ways that create intra-abdominal pressure and have the transverse abdominis be a supporting role in that as well. As matter of fact, he he said in his textbook. Let's see his textbook which I purchased recently. I'm a big fan of it's called Low back disorders evidence-based prevention and Rehabilitation. It's in its Third Edition, which is the one I have and I like this and in there he talks about The transverse abdominis and says that they yes, you need to have the transverse abdominus be a part of this and it's a vital importance for the transverse abdominis to participate in stabilization of the spine, but he just doesn't believe that abdominal hollowing is the best way to do that. He believes abdominal bracing and engaging the transverse abdominis is highly indicated for that and I'm I like that I like the idea of saying Let's do bracing and he's not saying do abdominal hollowing as a matter of fact, he says that the isometric activity should take place that when you do your abdominal bracing you're not drawing in and your abdomens not protruding at all. As a matter of fact, there is no change in the size of the and the abdominal muscles. You're just creating stiffness. And his ultimate goal when it comes to protecting the spine is creating stiffness around the spine. Well, I agree. I think this is really wonderful information. So so far. I've agreed and pointed out literature and empirical evidence that shows abdominal hollowing helps to increase stability at the spine and helps with low back pain. I've also found research and pointed out that doing abdominal. Living solely solely for mitigation of low back pain is not ideal and that abdominal bracing can be more effective in certain circumstances than Hollins. What do we do? What do we do? We got evidence support support both but here's the thing and application. What should we employ? I think early on in stages of training. You got to you got to Q abdominal hauling and it's probably it's a good starting point when it comes to trying to get somebody neuromuscular lie to understand what's going on and how to create this transverse abdominis drawing in maneuver. So practicing drawing in is valuable and practicing abdominal bracing is valuable because once you go into abdominal bracing it, you're going to get more out of your stabilization. Let's say you're doing a standing single arm chest press and you're not bracing your abdomen. You're just drawing in. Well, you're missing out on some of the stiffness that you're all of your muscles can help to create stabilization through your LP HC. So adding stabilization in adding in the drawing in maneuver or the abdominal hollowing to support your spine is vitally important to know how to do both of them. But what I don't want to do is downplay the importance of increasing neural facilitation towards a particular muscle that may not be doing its job and we know that the transverse abdominus and internal obliques are very closely. And it's almost impossible to to separate those two muscles when it comes to spinal stabilization. So when you draw in the navel, then you are also getting a very strong activation of your internal obliques that is going to work concurrently with each other through the thoracolumbar fascia or aponeurosis to stabilize the spine and the SI joint, which we also have support from drawing a maneuver and bracing to support The SI joint so doing these particular exercises drawing in an abdominal bracing are both valuable. Don't pick one at the loss of the other. I think you should practice both same way that you would say. All right. Well, I'm going to work. I don't know where let's say calves right but you don't want to work your posterior tibialis. Well, that's that's going to be difficult because they're all plantar flexors. So posterior tibialis is going to be an important component. That's going to help support plantar flexion, but might there be a time where through trying to get the best out of learning how to control the foot that we preferentially activate the posterior tibialis in order to create more support at the foot and ankle and that the answer is going to be guests. Of course, we can put our foot into plantar flexion and then we can create inversion and do plantar flexed inversion exercises in order to to strengthen the posterior tibialis and that can then help to support my foot and ankle complex as I go through ambulation and movement. While going through plantar flexion and eat the same thing or similar thing would happen at the core. I can work everything together. But sometimes you need to pick out some muscles and whether that's the transverse abdominis or where it was the primary focus on the lumbar multi fat, I or whatever it doesn't matter. Sometimes you have to focus on pieces and not the whole So incorporating abdominal hollowing into your training drawing in the belly button to help support the spine those local muscles vitally important. They should be practiced doing abdominal bracing to support the spine, especially as you start to do heavier lifting. You can't just draw in and do a heavy lift. It is a natural component where you start to lift heavier you start to increase the bracing and the intra-abdominal pressure. So And say if you're going to start out with somebody and we're going to pick a pattern to follow maybe start out with some abdominal bracing. Sorry abdominal Halloween getting people to practice sucking in the belly button and support the smaller muscles of the spine and then start including bracing into it where you're creating transverse abdominis activation and co-contraction of a lot of muscles. So we're talking about the internal obliques and external obliques. And if you look at the pattern of those things when you brace and draw in you the Internal and external obliques create a crisscross pattern thing about a crisscross pattern like if you're walking through Construction in New York City and you see scaffolding up you walk through all of that scaffolding has X shaped metal creating a crisscross in there and that that egg shape that crisscross pattern creates stability and we want that stability. Fortunately. We have internal and external obliques on both of the sides the flanks of our body that creates spinal stabilization because they run, Obliquely, they have support and sagittal plane transverse plane and then they're on the side of our body. So also in the frontal plane. Why why just pick drawing in when I know that we can do other things that support our spine? We are also looking at rectus abdominus can be a component that helps to support our our spine the way that our thorax and our pelvis stabilize but it is that drawing in maneuver that does work all of those smaller muscles in the lumbar spine. Let's get both of them practiced in our systems and as we start to get heavier and heavier. With the weight we start adding in more and more bracing because we already know that the drawing in maneuver is there to support the smaller stabilizers in our spine. All right. I hope this helped and basically what I said is both abdominal hollowing and abdominal bracing work and do them both. Why is there a debate because you may do one and not the other and you made downplay the value of the one that you're not doing don't do that. This is an integrated training model when you find information that works and is of value. You just start integrating it into your system find the truth and as much truth as you can fit into your workouts and how you work with coach and train clients and athletes. Let's do it all. All right. Thank you so much for listening. This is the nasm CPT podcast, which report

Abdominal hollowing (or the draw-in maneuver) and abdominal bracing are both incorporated by therapists, trainers, and other exercise specialists to benefit persons with lumbar instability (Vaičienė, Berškienė, Slapsinskaite, Mauricienė, & Razon, 2018). There is a tendency for professionals to pick one of these interventions while downplaying the validity and value of the other. Integrated training is based on the implementing all evidence that works during the appropriate time with an understanding of how we can optimize outcomes for our clients. We will review the research surrounding abdominal hollowing and abdominal bracing to provide a better understanding of the evidence of their practical applications. Evidence shows that deep abdominal muscles are more activated with abdominal hollowing and surface muscles more activated with abdominal bracing (Vaičienė, Berškienė, Slapsinskaite, Mauricienė, & Razon, 2018). Hollowing has shown to increase local spinal stabilizers (Lee et al., 2013; Suehiro et al., 2014; Kim & Oh, 2015; Lee et al., 2016) and LPHC stability while minimizing the facilitation of global muscle activity during exercise (Suehiro et al., 2014; Kahlaee, Ghamkhar, & Arab, 2017). Abdominal hollowing was found superior to abdominal bracing for increasing LPHC stability and leg stiffness in hopping tasks (Dupeyron, Hertzog, Micallef, & Perrey, 2013). Though it does seem that maintaining a neutral spine (Reeve & Dilley, 2009) and costodiaphragmatic (chest / belly) breathing is important to the optimization of muscle activation while performing abdominal hollowing (Ha, Kwon, Kim, & Choung, 2014). Multiple data questions the efficacy of treating LBP solely using abdominal hollowing (Unsgaard-Tondel et al., 2012; Vasseljen et al., 2012; Wong et al., 2013). McGill, arguably one of this generation’s top researchers on exercise and the spine, is not a fan of abdominal hollowing, and argues that the transverse abdominus should activate when abdominal bracing is done appropriately without the need to draw-in the navel (2016). He provides evidence that core stiffness is of far more value when it comes to protecting the back (Lee & McGill, 2015). Evidence supporting both abdominal bracing and abdominal hollowing work to increase LPHC stabilization. We are not left with a debate on efficacy of these two techniques, but application. Which application should we employee and when? Get 20% off your order now by calling 800-460-6276 or visiting NASM.org, and using the code Podcast 20.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. The biggest weekend in the history of fantasy football to borrow a line from our erstwhile colleague friend Mentor. John Hanson is upon us Tom. It is National Fantasy Football Draft weekend. I'm not sure who coined that term. It might have been Sirius XM fantasy sports radio. There might be a special committee who's come up with it. I don't even know who comes up with it, but Tom this is official fantasy. Football draft weekend. It is a celebration and we are here to get you ready here on the fantasy free agents podcast. I am Joe Dolan. He is Tom Brolly. We are your hosts for this journey and we hope this is going to be a fun one today Tom you and I are going to break down our rankings at Fantasy free agents.com. By the way. Our cheat sheets will be updated today for all of you drafting this weekend. We are going to break down our rankings versus the two most popular Fantasy Draft platforms. And their default rankings Yahoo! And ESPN. This is not an uncommon Endeavor in fantasy podcasting or fantasy article writing. Well, we're doing both because Tom put up a nice little simple comparison Tom not a whole lot of analysis. This is going to give us an opportunity to go in a little bit deeper, but you just put up a simple comparison and cheat sheet of our rankings versus the popular sites and we're going to we're going to get into it today. How are you my friend? But before by the way we go get into that we're going Talk about some of the preseason action as well. I'm doing pretty good Joe. How are you celebrating today, you know taste some hills birthday. I know that because I made you a little birthday gift with my other friend here sick of a calendar for you a couple of last month on your birthday. And I know that it stays some hills birthday said, how are you celebrating? Well, I'm celebrating because this means taysom Hill is one year older and therefore closer to retirement. Yeah. Yeah, baby. Yeah, maybe he's getting closer to retirement. That's a good thing for you. Yeah. Yeah, so a little less stress in the closer it gets to retire but I'm sure taysom Hill is a nice guy. But on this podcast, we don't like taking hall-of-famers off the field for Gadget plays and that's what the Saints do because Sean Payton Tom has to be the smartest man in the room at all times. Anyway, I know Saints fans love taysom Hill. There's nothing personal against taysom Hill. I just hate him as a football player and I hate what he represents. So there we go. My I mean, I think if I wasn't in fantasy, I'd probably like the idea of I mean, I was Steeler fan. I like yeah, I got a grew up watching Kordell Stewart. It was exciting every time he came into the game, but for our purposes, he's a pain in the ass. So our friend our friend shorts who listens to this podcast Tom is this off color. Should I even say this? It's not vulgar or yeah, that's uh poker he calls taysom Hill Latter-Day / because he's obviously more and we want the BYU and I love that one. It's it off Kordell Stewart was / back in the day. We're shorts as a big Steelers fan. That's so I love that. I love that nickname and we kind of use it to righteously just because we hate taysom Hill and we hate the look if their starting quarterback was like Nick Foles I get it, but it's not it's Drew Brees. Anyway already off on a taste of pills. I really got you off there man. Happy birthday. Taysom Hill. I hope you don't play it down this year not for health, but because your coaches It out that Drew Brees is one of the best in NFL history. Okay, Tom. Let's take a deep breath back. By the way. Taysom Hill might be moving past Teddy Bridgewater to be the number two quarterback if you want any Bridgewater was sick. Was that the excuse last week? He was sick. Yeah. Well, I mean well, whatever it was, I mean, it just isn't any good. I feel bad for Teddy and I he had he had some prospects earlier in his career and the the leg injury has really derail his career. So we'll we'll see how he's doing. But yeah that the excuses were coming out last week for okay. Well, let's get into National Fantasy Football Draft week at Tom and we can't do that without first and foremost reminding people to listen to my podcast with Greg Cosell, which was Wednesday. We broke down some of the late-round guys who I think people are going to be interested in a lot of these like under-the-radar running backs and receivers Tom. I know you enjoyed that podcast Justin Barnes and Tom symons just broke down there IDP rankings on their on their IDP podcast. So if you have an idea, The draft you better freaking listen at that time. We have an IDP draft coming up next weekend. So I'm excited to listen to those guys already have but I better listen to it again to make sure I have all the information but you and I are going to get started here by looking at unfortunately some injuries from the Thursday night games here in preseason week three a lot of teams Tom still are not playing their starters even teams like the eagles who gave some starters some reps DeSean Jackson got out there Zach ertz got out there. But even for teams like that, they didn't play Carson Wentz which is completely understandable but some of the teams that did play starters Tom. We've got some injuries to talk about and it's unfortunate now. It doesn't appear that Cam Newton is seriously hurt but Cam Newton has a foot ankle injury thing. He left the game. He did not return to action. I mean Tom, what can we say here? We have camera. More aggressively than just about anybody in the fantasy industry. We have them at six. Do I have to move them down before we update our cheat sheets. It's the question. I wouldn't touch them. I it looked like a pretty minor injury here. Well, we'll probably hopefully get some information here in the next couple hours here. Maybe I would think something might come out here that they might say something but you know look minor to me I even have a picture up on the site, you know, it's not like his foots getting rolled up or anything. It's kind of, you know, just kind of looks a little flu. Okey. So 17 days to get ready for Week 1 if anything, maybe you take away a little bit of his rushing production, which you know is obviously a big part of of cams Arsenal, you know, he's one of the best Red Zone Runners and but maybe maybe he makes up for that a little bit as a passer. So I'm not too worried about this it obviously you see a guy a starting quarterback of his caliber go down and a preseason game and the worst thoughts come to mind. I know you've Invested heavily in them. I have to I have a lot of DJ more and Curtis Samuel as well. So it looks like we escaped something major here, but maybe we'll get a little bit more information but I would expect him to be ready hundred percent ready to go for Week 1. Yeah, so I'm not going to freak out about him right now either Tom, but we do have to keep an eye he was going for X-rays this morning. And now obviously those are all precautionary. Those are just to make sure you rule things out but we do have to keep an eye on that for Cam Newton the other big big injury news Tom Jordan. Howard excuse me, Jordan Reed not Jordan Howard. Sorry Jordan Howard. Jordan Reed of the Redskins the tight end. He's in concussion protocol Tom. This has been a major major issue for him throughout his career. I mean, you know, he has a healthy offseason for the first time in a while this guy. I mean you can schedule offseason surgeries for Jordan Reed like they're a holiday. It's like it goes crit goes Christmas New Year's Day Jordan Reed offseason surgery. That's what the calendar says. He Have one this year, but Tom the concussions have been a constant issue through him for him throughout his career. He is in the concussion protocol. I mean it this is the dirty part of fantasy when you say you didn't draft a guy because he has a history of concussions and injuries, but I didn't I didn't drive Jordan Reed once because of his history because he looked slow to me last year Tommy. He's persona non grata from me. I'm not drafting him at all. I have zero point zero shares of him. I will continue to have Who shares of him you could not give Jordan Reed away to me. Yeah, I yeah, this is the seventh documented. I mean, who knows how many in this is been an issue for him dating back to his time at Florida, you know now, you know, if it was, you know, just a couple can tell, you know, maybe the first or second concussion, you know, I would think he'd be you know ready to go for Week 1 but you know, this could be this could be an issue in the September that I mean, we just don't know how Going to respond and it's it stinks because he you know, this actually has been a good offseason for him. And you know, there has been some positive momentum for on but you know now that's all gone and you know, we have to worry about this is going into the season and I'm with you Joe. I haven't drafted at a mall. I know, you know, a lot of people have like them because you know, he has had two healthy offseason, but he hasn't looked quite the quite the same the last year that's being gentle. He was sitting up here. Yeah, I can't put it all. I mean, it's some terrible QB play and but it's not gonna get much better with Case Keenum and Haskins and you know, I looked it up over the last two seasons. He's gone over 15 fantasy points just twice and I mean that was the whole kid like in Jordan Reed early in his career those big games. He would pop off for seven catches for 90 yards and a touchdown and the those just haven't been you know, his type of games recently and now he's going to be in one of the worst offenses one of the worst passing. I'm not going to score many touchdowns and now we got the concussion worries to go with it. So we you know, he was in our mid teens. He was around 14th or 15th. Overall. We just did a slight tweak. We've moved them down to 19 overall at the position down below Darren Waller now, so yeah, I'm not going near him. But you know, hopefully he gets healthy and he's out there early in the season. He's like, this is what I'm talking about here Tom if you could say I could have Jordan Reed On the bench of we have an auction draft on Sunday. If you tell me I can have Jordan Reed on my bench for zero dollars, but he's taking up a bench spot. I wouldn't take it that see that's what I mean by you can't give him away to me because I feel like I can use that roster spot. Even if he cost me nothing. I feel like I can use that roster spot more effectively. Yeah, I he just hasn't had the upside. I mean that that's why we like them early in his career and just there's just hasn't been that tangible upside. I don't know why you would want to roster Master tied him to at this point. You know, it's you're getting a lot of for for 45 or 50 performances not going to be a lot of scorer scoring opportunities. So I think a bench spot can be used better on a running back or receiver going forward with him speaking of running backs. We could stay with this team Washington Redskins Tom. It was good to see Darius guys. Looking good 11 carries for 44 yards. He had a four yard reception. I haven't been terribly enthused by him. I have drafted him a couple of times Tom just a couple oh, but I've drafted him a couple of times because he's been pretty cheap. I wonder if his ATP is going to rise a little bit because he looked pretty good out there. Yeah, if it does I probably won't be going in but what he's fallen deep into the eighth or into the ninth round. I have taken a couple shots on them. But this off yeah, we just touched on it with read this offense is going to stink. They're not going to score many points and he also still has Adrian Peterson still around they're not just you know, he's you know, he played fairly well last year, you know, despite all their issues and But this offensive line, I mean without Trent Williams they had some major issues. Once again last night is so bad guys had a touchdown called back because of Eric flowers holding call or is his stat line would have looked a little better but it's atrocious right now. They're going to have a tough time getting into rid of my own. So I'm not feeling good about guys even if he does somehow Russell away like 60% of the snaps in this backfield. I mean, it's not like it's gonna be a good offense to begin with a couple of things here Tom. I know he was getting some negative buzzer Lee and preseason but Ido Smith look the best of the Falcon running backs five carries for 23 yards and a touchdown. He was the first back in behind Devonta Freeman saw a lot of work so seems like we've kind of put them into the early 50s that seems like the right spot for him. Certainly somebody who had a bad rookie season, but that does not write your Tombstone here in the NFL just having a bad rookie season so Ito Smith I would say It's still the number two behind Devonta Freeman though Tom. I wouldn't be so sure. He's going to have a role independent of Freeman the way Tevin Coleman did. Yeah, I mean it's all gonna depend on frame itself. That's why I've taken some Ito Smith. I still haven't been overly impressed here in the preseason, but he you know, he has looked a little bit better from last year. It doesn't it's not gonna take much to to play better than he did in his rookie season, but you know, there's still some upside to him Freeman that hasn't been the this guy the last two seasons speaking of concussions. He's a guy that's had some major concussion issues throughout his career. So and he had the the knee and the foot and issues last year as well. So I still like take Anita Smith and then, you know late 40s at running back early 50s. I still think there's a touch of upside here and he's giving us a little bit of hope that things might be turning around here that offensive line played fairly well for the Falcons as well last night. They were they were opening up some holes. Okay, Tom. We actually have an update on Cam. Newton x-rays are clean Marty her knee the general manager says they are cautiously optimistic for Week 1 they are calling it a mild foot sprain. So that's good news for Cam Newton. Yeah, I'm guessing he'll be off of his feet here quite a bit over the next week won't be at practice. But I think he's probably going to be on on schedule to make an appearance in week. One Tom. We saw Leonard fournette seven carries for 27 yards ran over a linebacker we know. Leonard fournette can do it's a matter of him staying on the field and staying motivated. But we saw those Jaguar starters for the first time good to see that from fournette. You've been in on him more than I have. That's just a matter of me liking Devonta Freeman carry on Johnson and Eric and Erin Jones a little bit more in the range were for net goes but you know for net he's one of those guys you can see him playing 10 games and running for 550 yards or I think he's got legitimate lead the league in rushing upside. He It's one of those wide range outcome players and why I particularly like them is what I saw last night three targets and limited action. I think he's being underestimated and as a receiver here, there's no more TJ. Yeldon. Nick Foles is a competent quarterback. I mean you got a lot of and I've been high on Leonard fournette and Dede Westbrook. I move DD Westbrook up a couple spots again last night there now, there's been glowing reports coming about him all training camp long and then we saw it in the preseason game here. So, I think folks had 10 passes seven were to d d and 3 toward to fournette. So I'll take that kind of distribution in the regular season and a 70 percent Target share for Dede Westbrook and 30% for fournette. Let's just concentrate it. Okay, Tom, let's let's focus here on a little bit with the Eagles because they played their starters or some other thing real quick. I thought it was pretty interesting Troy Aikman brought up in the brawn the broadcast that D Flippo called Westbrook the best route Runner. He's worked with in his career. I mean, wow, that was a Pretty you know big statement, you know, he worked with Adam thielen and Stefon Diggs last year, of course working with the Eagles receivers and Earths and those guys, so I thought that was you know, pretty interesting little comment Tom with the Eagles here. How about this JJ not our Sega are thay go Whiteside the he is corrected. This is Scott Graham and Ross Tucker who do the who do the Eagles broadcast. They have been hammering at home that the name is our thay go Whiteside. JJ R Theta Whiteside 8 for 104 and a touchdown on nine targets. I haven't drafted are fake a white side Tom at all because I feel like he's buried here. It's almost the Dallas Goddard problem right was okay, where are the targets coming from? But this kid has looked freaking good in the preseason and he is somebody in the event Alshon Jeffery or DeSean Jackson. Both of whom have had injury problems get hurt. This guy could be somebody who's a major beneficiary in Philly. Not seen you run out in your draft them, but I'm saying this is a guy to keep an eye on because the Eagles feel like they might have gotten a little bit of a of a nice boost here to the receiving Court their second round pick. Yeah. I don't know what to do with them. So I moved them up a bit. He's in her low 90s. I just I just find it hard to you know, project much playing time and targets for him. I think he'll get some Red Zone opportunities, you know, he'll have some chances to score which might be a pain in our ass, you know, if he's stealing Yeah, touchdown and Red Zone targets away from you know guys like Zach ertz, and I'll show on Jeffrey and but II just I had a hard time knowing where to project and I feel like if he was on another roster, you know competing for playing time. He probably be in our you know wide receiver 60s or 70s, but with this depth chart and you know, the way the Eagles going to play they're going to play with a lot of two tight end set. So, you know, they're only going to have two receivers on the field a lot of the time. So I've just had a hard time project them in here. But I mean if On a deeper leg or a dynasty leg. I would be definitely targeting him in the late rounds Tom. What's up? Let's go with a couple more things. The athletic has been reporting all offseason or has been predicting all offseason that Carlos Hyde's going to get cut so it probably shouldn't be in any surprise that Darwin Thompson's getting first team reps. This is according to Brooke prior the Kansas City Star should not be should not be surprising at all that he's getting first team reps ahead of Carlos hide behind Damien Harris, Damien Williams. Rather, so this is obviously a guy Darwin Thompson who's been shooting up draft boards. I will say though Tom. It was interesting hearing Greco sell talk about him. He said, you know, he doesn't play to his size. And I wonder if you consider that a positive or A negative. He said he's more of a hard-nosed runner, I guess in the vein of a Philip Lindsay, then he is kind of the scatback. You would think the Darren Sproles type that you view Justice Hill or Tony Pollard as like he's He's kind of a hard. No straight line Runner who has great speed but night might not be a Shifty or doesn't play as Shifty as you might think based on him. I don't know whether to call to consider that a positive or A negative. I thought it was just interesting. It is interested. I consider that a slight neg I mean a back his size. You know, I want them to last. I want him to play 16 games and you know when he's 5/8 200 pounds I have concerns about him playing that style for 16 games. So I mean, I view it as a slight negative I'd Either, you know be a little bit more Shifty but you know that might be why I'm you know, seeing the report from the Kansas City Star that you know, he's also getting goal line touches with the goal line a little bit of goal line work with the first team units. So don't want to hear that if you've drafted Damien Williams early in the you know in the SEC, you know late in the 2nd round early third round here. But I mean that kind of lines up with what Greg is saying if you know powerful small package but a powerful Runner if he's getting gold on, you know goal line opportunities here. We got to do some hold out updates. Um, we've buried Melvin Gordon my favorite part of the podcast Joe my favorite part Ian Rapoport reported this week and I understand people have their qualms with rap sheet. I get it but deserve it that times barring some barring some actual hard news. We have to we have to take this into consideration. There is an expectation that Melvin Gordon's holdout is going to last into the regular season. Once again, this is not a Le'Veon Bell situation. Neither. He nor zico Elliott is going to hold out the entire season. So you're going to have Of them both at some point the problem I have with Gordon is he's more likely to miss games than Ezekiel Elliott. I think he's going to miss more games than Ezekiel Elliott and the Chargers have a much more viable backup solution than the Cowboys. I know people are putting Tony Pollard in the Hall of Fame already, but the Chargers have Austin Heckler and Justin Jackson behind him and there's a chance if Melvin Gordon comes back that he doesn't instantly get his 20 touch a game role that is a concern for me with Thank you Eliot. Tom, even if his holdout goes into the regular season and I'm still skeptical at will he is going to get his 20 Touch of game role when he comes back because I think first and foremost, I think easy a Zeke is getting paid the fact that the Cowboys have offered him. Well, I think as the second-most second-highest. Yeah, we're gonna Bridge Mortensen that was that woman. By the way, I think I border I'm sorry. Yeah, they're going to bridge that Gap. It's getting done. I think Zeke deserves to be paid as the top running back in football. You know when you draft a guy at number four overall and he plays to that you can't be incensed when the guy asks for the money that he has earned you drafted him at for overall to be the best running back in football when you draft the guy that high that's what you draft him to be. That's what Ezekiel Elliott has been. So I think they are going to bridge that Gap though. He's apparently back in Cabo working out with Marshall Faulk, but I think this is the death throes. Was I just have this feeling we keep getting these updates from Ezekiel Elliott Tom. I feel like this whole doubt is going to come to an end. I am still drafting him with the top five pick. I know as the days go on that it just gets a little bit more and more precarious. But I do feel like that Gap if the Cowboys are willing to go to 13 million a year. There's going to be a point where they're going to come to an agreement here. Yeah. It's you know, I guess they're you know, he's holding out to get over Tha girl. He's never hit. Is Av is you know 14 for so, you know, they're in the ballpark here levy on bells at 13 one. So they're they're right in that 13 to 14 million dollars a year. It sounds like so hopefully we get this all settled here. I'm with you. I'm still you know being aggressive with Elliott drafted him, you know, if you know top five if I get the fifth pick there, you know, I I've got them a couple times in the eighth ninth pick overall. So I'm still aggressive. Here but I mean what at what point do you start backing off Joe? Is it by next weekend? If I don't like it? Yeah, that's what I was thinking if we still have don't have a some sort of you know resolution here. I guess next weekend is when I start getting a little nervous and letting them past if I'm in the fifth or sixth spot. So yeah, I'm still not really concerned about and even if Elliot mrs. Game Tom, I think it'll be a game or two and that's something I think you can whether Gordon I'm more concerned about because as I told I talked about on our podcast earlier this week. I'm on team pay running backs simply because I just think they should get paid. I don't care what the analytics say. I know what they say. And I think they're correct. I just think the running back should get paid anyway, and and maybe that makes me a dummy but guess what Tom I don't care. I don't care if NFL teams are operating at full capacity. I don't care if they're operating at full efficiency their billion-dollar corporations. I really don't give a crap, but I think the offer the Chargers had made to Melvin Gordon if it is in that Ten million dollar a year range. I actually feel like that's a fair offer. He should sign. And that's the problem ten million ten million dollars a year is a pretty fair offer right now. And you know Melvin Gordon is you know, he thinks of course you're going to think of yourself as one of the best or the best running back. But you know, if you ask us sobbing I would say he's probably in the 4 to 6 range or the, you know, five to seven range in terms of best backs and in the lake right now, so 10 million dollars is what you should be paying to that type of back and I mean, that's what the issue is right. Now. The Chargers probably don't feel like he's an elite elite upper echelon back and they don't want to give them the Thirteen or fourteen million dollars a year and Gordon thinks of himself that way so I mean that's why I think we're having all the issues right now. Well, of course and look the running backs, and of course, they're going to think this way Tom this is they're not stupid for thinking this way. There are the guys who are running into the defensive lines and the linebackers coming downhill downhill with the specific goal of destroying them there. Going to want to think all right. Well, obviously we deserve to get paid and and I don't blame them for thinking that way but the running back position Tom, even if there's like a Renaissance or there's something where the the league and the Players Association decide something has to be done with this compensation. It's never going to be like the quarterback position where you just get one guy on top of the other every time a quarterback gets paid. Everybody goes world my God, I can't believe he got that much money. Yeah. Car or the Joe Flacco and those are the two that really stand out over the last couple years the next quarterback to get paid. Oh Carson want or can't believe you got that money when Dak Prescott gets paid or can't believe he's gonna get that money when Jared Goff gets paid or I can't believe it. It's just the way it works. Yeah. I mean that's not gonna ever be that way at the running back position. No running back sir, you know, there's still a high-end know there's a hierarchy there and you know quarterback that that's you know, that just it's the next man up who's going to get the biggest deals. Ellen we're kind of starting to see that at receiver here a little bit as well, which is so Michael Thomas. And so now we have a Martin Cooper and hold the oh Jones angling for that next big contract to be the highest-paid guys. So but yeah, I mean the Gordon situation feels like it is going to leak into the season now, I've just been totally off of him pretty much all summer, but you know, you know and now he's slipping into the fourth or fifth round and I still don't want it. I actually was in a draft last last night or the night before. Or and I saw Eckler go before Gordon and I die. I can't totally blame them for you know, going aggressive and trying to get Eckler if you know maybe if he starts eight to ten games and you know, he's still going to be a philan, you know, he's still gonna be playing alongside Gordon the second half of the season so, you know, we're starting to get to that point where you got to start considering Eckler above Gordon. So yeah, it's I mean with chord and that's the thing. I'm worried about. I'm not worried about Elliot when he comes back having to play A reduced role. I am worried about it with Gordon and I am Gordon, you know, if that seeps into October even November, I mean then you have worries, you know, everybody else is out of certain playing shape, you know, they've been doing this for a couple months. I mean maybe Gordon would be fresh. I mean that's you know one angle but or maybe he's just not in the best playing shape. He hasn't, you know, Ben and during the practices and you know, he's not in the best shape so that that will be a concern you you the longer this, you know continues into the regular season. So yeah. With Gordon now, I have to throw my personal spin on this Tom. I haven't drafted him since the holdout only because I had actually drafted him quite a bit before the holdout. So there is probably a point where if I was going into this clean where I would consider Melvin Gordon, but he's kind of a guy almost I'm blocking out right now because I have enough invested in him. I haven't been the Scott Fishbowl. I have them in a bunch of best balls from before the hold out where I already have the investment in Gordon. I don't need to even rack my brain to decide where the right place to pick him is I hope he's there week one. I really do. I hope both he and Ezekiel Elliott Bridge these gaps, but it's looking less and less likely for Gordon. I'm still cautiously optimistic with Elliott. Yeah. I'm right there with you. Well, we'll see where we're standing next week with Elliot. I mean, that's that's I think going to be the breaking point. Well, we'll see just how you know strong people are taking him in the first round after if you know if this goes into A past next week then not then it's time to buckle up Tom. We're going to get into a our rankings versus the the top fantasy football websites Yahoo! And ESPN and you saw when you got into this a very interesting difference between the two sites vis-à-vis our rankings and we're going to talk about that when we come back right after this message from our sponsors. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. I've been producing podcast and chose for my friends and colleagues Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley for years now. So when we decided to start the fantasy for Asians podcast, it was imperative. 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Tom I think this is a very useful exercise for a lot of our listeners and a lot of our subscribers and frankly the reason we do it and the reason basically a lot of other sites do it is because it's not hard for us to do we've already put the rankings out. We all play on Yahoo and ESPN. So we already know what it's like to draft on these sites and it's just a simple comparison of our rankings our top 150 versus the drag. Raft rankings on the major site. So I wanted to you went through and did this you've been doing it in the past as well. What is your process in going through this? And do you find it helpful for yourself going through it? Oh God. Yeah. I mean, I'm a lunatic. I've been playing fantasy football for 16 17 years, I guess at this point and I used to do this shit whenever I you know, I was just playing in my own Hometown legs, like just seeing like, let's see how bad the rankings are. Not bad, but you know, Where I can take advantage of the rankings for Yahoo, or I mean that's my typical drafting service. But ESPN as well. Those are the two big ones here. So I've been doing this for I think about six years now just basically I jump into a mock draft on ESPN or Yahoo, and I ruined the mock draft for people but I am, you know going through their rankings and just comparing them and I see where we're higher on somebody compared to to Yahoo. So I mean we can just jump right into it here. But you know, they're running backs on Yahoo! Are you know they have their guys a lot lower than we have them on our site. So there are plenty of values at running back quarterback. Not so much. They they have their quarterbacks wrecked a lot higher than our so you're not going to get many values looking at quarterback here. So what do you think is the more exploitable site for our listeners like and and what I'm talking about if you Basically drafting against a room of people who did no research and they only count on the default rankings to draft. Which do you think is the more exploitable site where can you build really the much better team based on our rankings? I mean, I know you you're the same way kind of Joe, but you know, we we like holding off on quarterback. So we're going to have running backs and receivers and tight ends a little bit higher than you know draft rankings and that really stands out on Yahoo site. I mean Yahoo has you know guys waited way too high at the quarterback position and it opens up a lot of great buying opportunities for a lot of backs. I didn't count through here, but it's almost about 25 or so running backs that are extremely underpriced on Yahoo. Even at receiver that you know, there's 10 to 15 guys and tight end a lot of the the high-end tight ends as well. I'm looking at Travis Kelce Evan engram Conner Henry Vance McDonald that you all guys for four of the top eight were tight ends are being undervalued on the Yahoo site as well. So you basically went through and did undervalued guys. I'm sure they have guys who are way way higher on their rankings than we have on hours. But by focusing just on the guys that you think Yahoo, and ESPN have undervalued it almost kind of points out like a little bit of a Target list for you. Yeah it really He does and it it even has you know, if you dig a Little Deeper like a guy like Josh Gordon they for whatever reason, you know, suddenly they see these sites haven't caught up with the rankings. I don't know if they don't, you know, update them. You know, they go update on once a week or once a month. I don't know. They still have Josh Cornett 289. He's going at seven, you know 75 in our ranking. So there's like guys that you're really high on that. You know, these sites haven't quite caught up on another example of that is Darwin. You know, he's now 120 in our rankings. He still 217 on Yahoo's rankings. So there's you know guys that have extreme value that you can you know kind of pencil in around that and you know, Darwin Thompson 11th 12th round, you know, he's not gonna be popping up, you know people just you know, they scroll through the first 10 to 20 guys and on the Yahoo list, you know, they're not going to go real deep down the list and so a guy like Darwin Thompson might slip through the cracks and maybe not Not anymore. He's getting a lot of buzz. But you know what? I mean? A lot of people don't go way down the list when they're making their pics. Okay top. So let's start with Yahoo. And I think this is the best way to do it Go by sight and so we're not confusing people jumping back and forth between position. So let's go by sight and let's start with Yahoo. Now you think Yahoo! Their quarterback rankings are a lot more in tune with hours. So no not at all. Not at all. Okay way ahead of ya. X or way over ranked it open. Yeah, we only have two guys that are considered undervalued compared to Yahoo. And that's Carson Wentz and golf. So that's great news for guys like us that are going to wait for quarterbacks. That means they got Patrick Mahomes in the top 40 they got you know, just song when all these guys are over. You know, the quarterbacks are overpriced on Yahoo. That means people might be more willing to take them, you know, maybe around earlier than they should be going and maybe it's a around so it opens up some major by opportunities at running back in Receiver, right? That's what it does. It opens up those buying opportunities at running back and receiver. And by the way, Carson Wentz and Jared Goff probably two of our favorite mid to late round quarterbacks to draft and those guys are values. But one thing I will say about this sometimes you are at the mercy of a draft room and sometimes guys in fantasy drafts that they're not as experienced as the people listening to this not as experienced as obviously URI. Cam they don't know how to draft the quarterback position and sometimes guys will just draft two of the top eight quarterbacks, even if they can't use them both. Well, I'm gonna trade one later and sometimes that'll screw things up. So do keep that in mind but I would much rather build a strong team of running backs and receivers and have to slum it at quarterback for a little bit as opposed to having to reach on a quarterback because because that's what the default ranking say. I think I call that the Bill Simmons approach. I I remember listening to His podcast with Cousin Sal and him talking about drafting for quarterback so we can trade them later pretty stupid idea but it's a chronic idea because yeah who like who wants to trade for a quarterback? I just go pick up Josh McCown off the waiver wire, you know from years past, you know, so yeah, it's a very stupid to draft process my head Patrick Mahomes and Carson Wentz in a draft last year. I couldn't I couldn't give went away and I know Winston have an awesome year last year, but he was still pretty good I couldn't Of them away. So like if you think if you think you're a smart ass and you think you're the smartest guy in the room by drafting to Elite quarterbacks, I would beg you to to try to if you do that try to trade one and see what happens because even if people overvalue the quarterback position and you try to trade an elite quarterback gets a say you drafted Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers and you're trying to trade Aaron Rodgers and you're trying to say, oh, I'll get this guy's number two running back. I'll trade Aaron Rodgers for Chris Carson. And I'll trade Aaron Rodgers for David Montgomery even those even if you're trying to trade to an inexperienced player, that guy's gonna go wait a minute. I don't want to trade that guy. I'm doing all I'm doing all right with Kirk Cousins. Yeah, and so then they through that process they realize the vet quote unquote value or lack thereof at the quarterback position in fantasy. So don't be the jackass who drafts to Elite quarterbacks because it's not going to work out for you. They don't know I guess I'm your kind of the same way. We do a lot of drafts together. I mean most of my redraft I don't even suck select a second quarterback. You know, I'm just picking one guy if you know I have issues rolling with them. I'll just drop them and go pick one off the waiver wire like, you know later in the year. I mean, I don't typically spend two draft picks on quarterbacks in my drafts nor do I so quarterbacks overvalued on Yahoo. But we do have eyes with Carson Wentz in Jared Goff Tom. You have found a ton of values at the running back position. We don't need to go through all of them if you want to go check it out. That fantasy free agents.com. We have both a little article and a cheat sheet for this but at the running back position Tom, what are some of your favorite values that you found because we I there's a list of 20 to 30 here where you think we are higher on the player than the default rankings at Yahoo. Yeah. I mean at the at the running back position the biggest discrepancies we'll get into some of those so we got like Joe Mixon we have him as a first-round running back. They have him more as a middle to late run. Back, so, you know pretty nice value there Leonard fournette. We have him mid to late third right now. They have him well into the fourth. He's 31 in our rankings 43 overall. So maybe you could hold out a little bit later with fournette. Maybe you could snag them at the end of the end of the third round in Yahoo! Leagues some more big values Chris cars and they haven't adjusted yet. I mean, he's been rising up draft boards here recently with the talk that he's dominating penny in terms of touches. And training camp so, you know, we have him as a mid to late. You know, he's 40 overall and he's 54 in the Yahoo rankings more big values Austin Eckler. He we have him at 63 over. All right. Now, he's at 104 on the Yahoo rankings trying to see little farther down. Let's Duke Johnson guy that got traded to Houston. We like his positioning there, you know better than whenever he was in Cleveland. They still haven't caught up. He's 26 spots different. So that's you know to full rounds that we have him higher. You should be going in the single-digit rounds right now and they don't and right now they don't have him ranked in the single-digit rounds. No and a little farther down the list a similar situation with Austin Heckler. We have Justin Jackson who's now 123 in our rankings. He's at 183 overall there, you know, we touched on the Darwin Thompson one just just values everywhere here at the running back position. I mean if I was choosing between Yahoo! And ESPN. I would be you know, if I was Commissioner of my leg, I would rather be drafting on Yahoo, because there's just values everywhere in terms of the running back in receiver spots here. Okay, let's go into the receivers Tom and the biggest one that stands out to me is as of yesterday. Yahoo! Still had Josh Gordon at 280 ninth. Overall. We have them 75. So there is a massive difference there. You would think that's going to catch up here a little bit this weekend, but that is I don't think you're going to be I don't think you're going to be able to sneak Josh Gordon into the 20th round of your draft. Tom know. I think there's at least going to be somebody else in your league who thinks they're going to who so who's been following football for the last couple weeks that knows that Josh Gordon isn't still suspended. Yeah, but Josh Gordon is a huge one. DJ more AJ greens a tough one. I mean, I'm seeing a lot of got the the rains that I'm seeing here that where there's the most value is the 8th to 10th. Yeah, we got a lot of guys here Deshawn Jackson mvs. James Washington and John Brown Michael gallop and Tyrone Williams. They're all guys that are going in that eighth to Tenth round in our rankings. They have these guys going away after that. So that would be a nice spot to you know, that's probably why you know, that's a spot where they probably have a lot of their quarterbacks in the rankings. And I mean, I kind of remember it from doing this thing, but you know, that's a spot where maybe you're like mate start going after. Quarterbacks in those spots because of the Yahoo rankings and you can pick off some pretty good receivers in the eighth to Tenth round and then that the tight end position Tom once again you and I have discussed this we love those first eight tight ends those top eight guys and four of those top eight. We have ranked higher in our top 150 than Yahoo! Has overall. Yeah small value Travis Kelce. He's gone 11 in our rankings 14th. So, you know, maybe you you're in a Format, maybe you might be picking 11th, and you could think that your your leg might be passing them over for receivers and running backs there. So you maybe could wait for him in the second round the big ones, you know right in the middle of the draft there in the in the fifth round. We got Evan engram and Hunter Henry is 51 and 55 overall Yahoo. Basically has them going around after that and in 62 to 66, so maybe a lockout maybe you're picking in the fourth round and you want to go running back or receiver? Fever and you think you can get one of those tight ends coming around at the back end of the fifth round before the Yahoo ranking say they should be drafted. And another nice one is Vance McDonald. He's 78 overall in our rankings. And you know, he's been a pretty steady seventh-round pick in a lot of my best ball on draft.com and they have them outside of that. They have a 90 overall. Who was it this week. Was it Randy fichtner? Who said well Vance isn't going to play a hundred percent of the snaps or he isn't going to play the whole game and a lot of people were taking that as like, oh my God. I got to move them down in my rankings. But Tom we saw this with Eric Ebron last year. It doesn't matter if a tight end doesn't play a hundred percent of the snaps. If the guy is out there in pass-catching situations when he does play and I think that's what McDonald's going to do. I haven't drafted Ebron only because I'm scared to death about about his touchdown regression and I'm scared to death by the fact that they had two solid tight ends behind him. So there's a separate argument there with Iran but with Vance McDonald Tom if he plays 65% of the snaps, but it's almost always as a receiver that his impact is going to be just the same as if he plays a hundred percent of the staff. I feel like Fichtner one to say yeah, he's not going to play a hundred percent of sniffs. But yeah, he's gonna play 90% I mean this guy he's gonna be on the field it last year. He was around, you know, typically between 45 and 55 in a given week percent of the snaps. He's going to I mean, I see him up over 70% and I think even 70% might be a conservative estimate. I think he'll probably be in the 80 to 90 range. It's going forward. So I hope that little fichtner because I hope it scares some people off because I don't think that was ever the intention was for him to play a hundred percent of the snaps. I think that he's probably going to be pretty much locked into that seventy percent between 70% and 90% going forward. So and that is a huge uptick for him and he was a tight end top 12 tight end a tight end one just playing 50% that snaps last year. So, you know, just just imagine. I mean, that's probably going to be another 8 to 10 route see a week if he Isn't that 75 percent range and Tom if you miss out on one of those top eight tight ends. I think one of the pairings that I really like is an old vet and a young up rising up youngster who probably is going to get a little bit of a hard knocks boost Delanie Walker we have him as essentially a two-round value based on Yahoo. And we have Darren Waller as a three-round value based on Yahoo. I actually think that's an interesting pairing if you miss on one of the top eight guys hell even if I I get one of the top eight guys. I'm in on Darren Waller as a tight end to I think there's enough upside to draft him at that spot. And all right, maybe my tight end one hits and I can trade waller or in the in the best situation. Maybe I can even use them as a flex. Yeah, I love that combination and Waller is going to be an even bigger value, you know, as we said at the top of the podcast we dropped Jordan Reed down a little bit. We moved there and Waller up up ahead of him. So he might be even bigger value. Now, you know Walker is a Solid value nice showing first action last week since the the gruesome ankle injury caught two passes, you know right away with Marcus Mariota scored a touchdown. So he looked pretty good there. So, you know the some of the injury current concerns might be out the window. I mean Mariota, I think as we've seen him all over last year. And in that first preseason game, he just looks better more comfortable out there whenever Delanie Walker is I know there's going to be a lot more little tougher to spread around some of those targets with AJ Brown and Adam Humphries now on the offense, but I still see Delanie Walker and Corey Davis Kind of duking it out for the Target share lead there and you know, I can see both of those guys being between 20 and 25% Thomas looked over to ESPN here and I think my clay does their rankings with yes. He does I think so and I mean looking at him I tell I think Like need to bump some of our quarterbacks down to leave even a little farther and in our top 150 is here a little bit. Yeah. I mean yeah ESPN has the quarterbacks buried in the top 50 Tom. I actually think they're a little too low. Yeah. I mean I'm going through some of these I mean Lamar Jackson hasn't you know, they have them at 139. I mean, he hasn't seen 139 and you know, since you know and you later, we also have to be realistic with ours, right? You know it like we can sit we could put no quarterbacks in our top 150 and say wait on a quarterback, but it's not actionable for people right? They can't take that advice and say well, you know, look we have Patrick Mahomes at 37 in our top 150 because we have to put them there. That's the first pick of the fourth round in a 12 team league in most Hometown leagues Tom. He's not lasting that long and we understand that and he sure as hell isn't going to last till 47 were ESPN has him in a lot of Hometown leagues. I mean, I'm looking at some of these gaps of 847 272 with my Holmes Watson and then 72 to 103 with Watson and Mayfield. I mean those Pretty Stark. I mean I'm with the other that's the little bit too unrealistic. Yeah, so I'm if you want to wait on a quarterback and and that's all that matters to you ESPN's your site because their quarterbacks are buried in there. They got Josh Allen Tom who was a League winner. I was gonna say no that's actually the opposite if you want to take a quarterback early, you would want to draft an ESPN. I don't advise doing that but you know, okay, let me rephrase. Yes. If you don't want quarterbacks getting sniped early. Yes and you put an and putting you in an uncomfortable position because this does happen. Sometimes Tom I harken back to a draft. We did on Yahoo, a couple years ago where you were in perfect position to draft one of the two quarterbacks you had targeted and some guy at like the eight nine turn took both of them and you were like, are you kidding me? And you sometimes unpredictable things? Happened that will screw up your draft if you want to just be comfortable with where the quarterbacks are going. I think ESPN is the right spot because because like people will be looking at these rankings and being like, okay, you know Watson out of he's a seventh sixth round guys, right? I guess I can hold off. Well, I mean Josh Allen was a League winner last year and they have them at 2:43. That's undrafted in most leagues. Yeah. I mean we do a top 150 that's you know, obviously, you know couple you know, That 14 rounds 14 15 rounds. So I mean 200. I mean that's most deep legs. I mean, I mean most pretty standard drafts or fifteen to sixteen rounds. So they have they have quarterbacks utterly buried and I think we are low on quarterbacks, but the inner we have to think he's have them buried now Tom the valve. Yeah, that just makes it a little tougher to find values at some of the other position there are tighter at the other position. So like I had a friend of ours Ju Listener of the podcast he was texting me last night. He's like man these ESPN rankings are actually pretty tight like compared to some of compared to to what we were doing and I agreed with them based on what was happening Tom. What were some of the values that stood out to you at the running back position though? Because there are a couple I mean Damien Williams really jumps out to me though. I understand why ESPN has him buried. I mean, I'm yeah, I'm looking through here. He's really low on the Mike. Lai's pretty low on the running backs here the rookie running back stay. David Montgomery at 60 overall mile Sanders at 69 overall. We have those guys at 46 and 50 7 respectively. So, you know those those are two guys on the rise here. He's not completely buying in. So maybe you can snipe those guys in the fourth or fifth round here. He's pretty caught up. Overall Darwin Thompson is still an extreme value. I'm sure he might have just that it's 122 208 here. So, you know, maybe you can go out and still snipe star Darwin. You're Tom Damien Williams. They have 45 which is lower than anybody is on them. I know that's but they have Darwin Thompson at 2:08. That doesn't make sense. Yeah. Well, I mean I would have to go back through them. But I'm guessing he has Carlos Hyde much higher than he should be a you know, now that we have all this I should but yet 700 right? Yeah the the top that he's gonna get cut here. They're not invested in them at all. You know, some of the other big values not a saint here. I'm looking through the list here. Look at Nick Chubb and carry on Johnson actually. We at the top though because we have those are pretty night. There's a couple really nice value you bring those out those guys up in the second round. Yeah, Nick Chubb we have as an early second-round pick. I mean, I've seen him go into the first that's not uncommon nor do I didn't necessarily disagree with it. Carry on Johnson. We haven't 19 that's a mid second round pick. They've got him in third round. So I mean maybe you can go wide receiver wide receiver and your ESPN draft and snag one of those guys based on the default rankings, and that would be in really nice start for you. I was I even remember Chubbs because I'm pretty sure Yahoo! Had him at like seven or eight overall. So there's quite the discrepancy like 2222 picks difference between Nick Chubb on Yahoo! And ESPN. So if you're a real big Nick Chubb fan, maybe you want to Draft on ESPN better chance of getting them in the second round. All right, Tom the wide receiver position and this is a short list ESPN's wide receiver rankings. Very very sharp. At least if you consider our banking sharp and they are award-winning. I yeah, I think so. We've we've gotten some credit over the years from fantasy first. If you think are our wide receiver rankings are sharp. Well ESPN's right there. Yeah. I mean no major values. They're a little slow still on the Josh Gordon suspension here 75 to 573. I'm guessing that they're going to have some sort of update here. You would think in the next couple days. I don't know. It's been a week. But neither of these sites have updated their rankings. I guess since since last Friday. So other guys nothing too major here. John Brown is that 114 and our rankings which makes them a tenth round pick 161 overall. So that's you know, 14th 15th round there, you know Quincy and Noone was you know, a guy that we've been a little higher on the most. He's 147 to 2:18 there, you know, the Curtis Samuels a nice little one here at 79 compared to 96 on ESPN, but Not a whole lot of wiggle room here are our rankings are probably a pretty similar to ESPN's right now receiver and at tight end Tom kind of the same list that we had up above. Although five of our top eight tight ends. And those are the ones we like are our values on ESPN. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised he has, you know, some of their tight ends as six rounders here are the big three after the the next three after the big three of the hojae how Lord Ingram Hunter and regroup all we all have them as kind of fifth round picks. He has them as basically six round picks. So maybe you could get your you know, if you don't get one of those first three tight ends in a ESPN draft, make sure to take a tight end of the fifth round if you if you want one of those three guys, or you could hold off and get cooking McDonald. We have those guys as seventh round picks that you know cook is going 84 overall in ESPN's and Vance McDonald is a 99 on ESPN. So that's Very nice value for you want to hold off and wait for Mark Vance McDonald and the other one. I really like going down. The list is Mark Andrews. We have him 135. I even think we might be a little low on Andrews at 135. We might want to sneak him up a little bit, but they have him kind of buried at 167. They must be really buying into the hip not playing enough snaps in the preseason here with Nick boil seeing the majority. But if anybody watch that preseason game I should have got this in the notes Mark Andrews had a nice catch. Some he was looking like he was at the end of last season. He was just rolled rolling over guys rolling over defenders. He picked up about eight ten yards after contact last night on the couch. So he's a guy that's a pretty nice value. If you can't get one of those first eight tie-downs. And by the way, I mean, we just said it was Vance McDonald Nick boils a blocker like Mark Andrews when he's out there. He's going to be running routes now, obviously they have they have havenhurst which complicates things but Andrews was a better player than her / year. Yeah. It's kind of surprising. I mean It's a very similar situation to how Vance McDonald is used in Pittsburgh last year. So, I mean, it's funny that we were talking about that earlier but Andrews might be a guy that just plays around 50% of snaps, but he's going to be probably running routes on probably about 40% of those so he'll have his opportunities. Okay Tom after we are message from our sponsors, by the way. Let's just say this overall Yahoo. I think it's more exploitable if you want to draft in a sharper room at that's probably ESPN, but if you want to Really load up on values. It seems like Yahoo's the place to do. So. Yeah, it's especially at running back and receiver which is you know, got you know, that's where we're targeting most we're guys that hold off on quarterback. So they have the quarterbacks overvalued. So, you know, if I had to pick one spot to draft I would pick Yahoo. Okay Tom after this message from our sponsors. We're going to get into the high-stakes team. 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I picked eighth I opened with David Johnson was not expecting him to be there Mike Evans T Y Hilton Chris Carson Evan engram Josh Gordon Jarvis Landry Royce Freeman Duke Johnson, Drew Brees. Justice Hill. Those are my first eleven picks. I'm okay with it. I thought it was a very sharp room. I thought I got some players I targeted. I thought I got sniped on other players. I targeted I think I think it's a solid team. I am not entirely comfortable with it. And I think that's exactly what you what you should expect from a high-stakes room. No, I really like your receiver group here with Evans Hilton. I'm surprised Josh Gordon lasted two six eight in the in the felt right to me. I know not. All right. I'm just I'm just surprised overall. I mean everything, you know all the drafts I'm saying now, man. He you did that. Earlier this week. He went 3 for which is the most extreme I've seen but it feels like he's kind of been penciled into the fifth round here. So I'm surprised and the sharp of a room that he finished went into the six a trained here and I even have some guys that I haven't necessarily been targeting but the value was right Jarvis Landry. I took in the seventh round. You know what Tom I mean do I love that pick know but he's my fourth receiver and I feel like I can really I feel like I can really use like his floor as that fourth receiver. This is this is PPR and then I have a guy like Royce Freeman again. Somebody I wasn't targeting but I love my first two backs David Johnson and Chris Carson and I feel like between Royce Freeman Duke Johnson and Justice Hill. I'm going to be able to get a third running back out of that group that I feel good about. Yeah. You got Carson at a nice price there. I mean, he's been rising up boards right now. He's currently early fourth round picks. So I think that's a solid number two. Especially what the way Penny struggling here. I'm surprised you want anger my head at Howard. I'm looking at this. I'm still shocked that OJ Howard lasted to the middle of the sixth round. I obviously have no issue going Ingram over how and I mean they're all I think I know why those yeah go ahead Howard's my most drafted tight end and best milk, and I wanted to diversify a little bit and I think Ingram I don't have a ton of Ingram and I think he's going to catch a lot of passes at wide receiver Tom DK Metcalf. Another guy. I haven't been targeting. That's just a A pure upside pick. I know he's going to have surgery. We'll see what happens but then II back that up with two boring receivers who I think can catch a lot of passes in a new war on coal Beasley those those two guys those guys are probably my first to get cut to the waiver wire if I find somebody more appealing. Yeah got DonTrell Hilliard late there. That's an interesting little pick. You don't have child, but you know, he could be, you know, something happens to to chop and the first couple weeks of the season. The he could be a or b or B to for you or maybe a flex so I'm liking what I see from here and a little eye for late in the late in the draft going for the strict upside there if he can somehow manage to stay healthy. Yeah, I mean, that's just that she's my third tight end. I have Ingram and then I actually went with the upside for Dallas Goddard Tom because again, there's somebody I've seen falling a little bit like Dallas got her is just it's falling down draft boards because he hasn't really played in the preseason and I think people I'll have recognized. Okay, we were drafting them in like the single-digit rounds early. I'm not really sure where the upside is. But there is a guy who I wasn't targeting early now. I've seen fall the 13th 14th round where I'm like, okay, there's I mean, it's Zach ertz gets hurt Dallas got hurt at up for tight end in fantasy. Yeah, I think he's also a product. He's one of the more extreme like best ball to redraft guy. Yep. I'm he's better for the best ball format because you know got a pic whenever he's gonna catch his three passengers. Passes for 75 yards and a touchdown. So, you know, he's he's a little tougher to manage and redraft if there's not an injury ahead of him. So I think that's you know, probably why we've started to see him, you know, come down boards a little bit because it is a little different drafted him in redraft compared to best ball and FFC. The NFC is six point four touchdown pass. So the running quarterbacks word eval you'd so I went with two guys on the extreme opposite Tom guys who do not provide rushing value with Drew Brees in bed. Roethlisberger I was gonna say what wait what do we put me over under for Combined rushing yards for Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger this year? 37. Yeah. I know but Breeze does do the small though. That's true. He'll have a sneaky Breeze is still capable of getting that sneaky were three rushing touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, you're not going to get much out of her some production out of those two old geezers at the position. Okay, Tom. So let's preview your beat Tom Brawley contest that's coming up on Tuesday the 27th, it is sold out so We haven't been promoting it. I know we could do it by the way. Do you did you? Who's having a beat contest the hour before your draft? I did not I hope it's somebody Cole Adam freaking Kaplan. No way. I thought it was a plan has. Oh, yeah, not only is he doing the ACI Tom? But he's doing the beat Adam Kaplan at the nff. See that's at 8:30 on Tuesday the 27th in the rotor wire online Championship. Yeah. I hope there's still spots available. I'm sure that like sold out in like 30 seconds. Everybody wants to be Adam Kaplan for the well, I guess he's all in on fantasy football. Now, let's talk them 15 years, but he's all in now. The ACI be Adam Kaplan. We love Adam and the ACI is America's favorite fantasy football league. Tom a video submissions have been outrageous for the Adam Kaplan and fatigue. Yeah. I have seen a few of them there. They're pretty spectacular. Okay Tom. So in this in Tuesday's draft, you are picking first overall. Of course, I got that email rocks for you this year. Because it's third round reversal and what third round reversal is the NFC still does third round reversal. It was essentially created by LaDainian Tomlinson. I was gonna say they should just call it the Tomlinson role so LaDainian Tomlinson and later on Tom Shaun Alexander were so dominant for Fantasy that they provided such an advantage over the field that the NFC essentially adopted the rule that if you have the first pick Instead of a normal snake draft the first and second round snake, but then the third round also goes backwards to the first round draft order. So essentially you don't get the two three turn. If you have the first overall pick you get the you get the three four turn so it goes 124 then you pick 36th and then you pick 37th. That's what you're going to be doing this. Year now looking at my draft board that I had here Tom. Are you beginning to formulate an idea of what you might be doing with that spot a little bit here. I do like first off. I am not too enthused that I did get the number one pick. This is like one of the giraffes that it I'd rather have, you know picking maybe maybe even just like four or five would be fine. I mean a little more flexibility at that spot, but so now pick a 36th overall that kind of changes things a little bit. It you know, I think I might have to go sort of some sort of receiver and 24 and then I have like some of the facts. I mean we've touched on the podcast in the third round. I could I think I could still maybe sneak out a Leonard fournette or a Freeman or you know, Mark Ingram or Aaron Jones here based on the the draft board that you've shown me here. So, you know, I'm looking at your drunk. I'm surprised how how high Mark Mark Ingram. I guess it was coming back through the third rounds, right? You know, I I can still manage a pretty good running back for my second back in the third round and then pick a nice receiver here. So it's not it's not as bad as I was thinking last night when I first got the email and I saw the number one overall ice like son of a gun, but I think it's a little bit more manageable. I know I see McCaffrey want overall number one, but if anybody's listen to this, you can probably just pencil in Berkeley for me at number one here. Well, we'll start the draft a little bit early here a couple days. So Negotiating the contract. Yeah, I'm already you know, the jerseys already been made. Okay. All right Tom, so that that was just a little bit of a fun exercise. We are playing some high stakes this year you and I on Sunday night were drafting we have our hometown leagues to and you know, because we're playing in these high stakes by the way, Tom, we're not getting paid for this. So a $50 by in on Sunday. We still like doing these and this auction draft we're doing on Sunday night is going to be a blast. So I'm thinking maybe we should do a little bit of oxygen. I might be a good you know segue into a little bit of auction talk next week, you know with our draft because we really haven't touched on it much and you know, I believe it. We're in the industry. We know we have to do a lot of snake drafts and you know, we're in a lot of best balls, but you know if we had just one draft a year my preferred one would be an auction and like here's the thing at snake trap say they're more popular but they're also easier to contextualize the analysis right? It's easier to say Josh. Gordon is a six. Frown pick than it is to say he's a 15 to $20 auction value, but depending on the room because if he gets nominated early, he might go for more or you know, if he'd gets nominated that you know, it's auctions are so much more context-based than a snake draft or everybody's kind of rigidly locked into their pics. Yeah, and that's part of the reason I'm a I'm a dreidel and junkie when it comes to draft in and you know, I'm locked in for two two and a half hours and you know, there's no sleeping it off. Drop so I mean you can you know picking at the one spot in a Reed raft and a snake. I mean you have a lot of time between picks got 20 some pics going between your selection so you can nod off and then catch up in 10 minutes. But oxide you got to be on your toes the entire time. Well, it's believe me. We like to have our natter days during our auction drafts. And if you got to go hit the can to return the matter days to Nature. You have got to bring your computer with you. I'm yeah, you got to make sure you have the sanitizer with you to clean up. Up. Oh, yeah, you know what's a power move in an auction draft the bid from the can when you're when you're emptying the tank that is a power move. And when you hear the draft room from outside go. Oh what you've made that did power move Tom. We don't we don't pause for people to go to the bathroom when we're doing an auction draft. So you got it. You got it, baby. Yeah now I would love to do it entirely in person. It's just not practical. Tom your brother who is recovering from shoulder surgery, he's in what Korea right now we couldn't fly him over for the auction draf. I'm sad to say. Yeah. I still need to get warm from him. Make sure he's going to be able to do the draft. I hope so. Well, yeah, you better it's an auction trap thought. Oh my gosh ruined out of people. He said he's still going to figure it out here, but we need to probably launch some way up. Anyway, I would I have never done that a live auction. I went to the kids with you last year the his draft over in the Hall of Fame and kind of witnessed one, but I've never partake Tin part, you know partook partook. Yeah and a live auction draft. So I don't know that that is on my bucket list of things to do in the next in the near future. Yeah. We got a couple auction drafts coming up in very soon here. Unfortunately, none of them in person, but that that is a that is a bucket list item for me Tom. So what we're excited for it that Sunday night draft, that's really when I start feeling it's Football season when that auction draft comes down. Hey Mac prolly over there in Korea respond to your brother. I know you're I know you're on painkillers and stuff and you're probably feeling great. But respond to your brother. We got to know that you're going to be there because Tom the worst thing you can do is be an auto drafter at an auction. It's the complete opposite from a snake. I love when we have an auto draft or in a snake especially in an IDP League because it picks idps and like the seventh round. But if we have an auto drafter in an auction, it ruins it for everybody because the Mmm, always will bid up a player to his projected value and it ruins it ruins the flow of the room. Yeah, and that's when you put up the injured guys. So yeah, it is a bummer whenever somebody isn't in the room for an oxen draft that we will have none of that. So Matt Bradley, if you're listening to this podcast get somebody to draft for you or get your ass there. All right, Tom, we're going to get excited for that draft on Sunday will be talking about that next week. Hopefully we have no more injury news to cover early next week on Podcast I start teaching next week Tom, but it's on Wednesday. I found my schedule. I thought it was Monday Wednesday know it's Wednesday Friday. So I start teaching my journalism class next week. We're gonna have to build around that I'm gonna have a big announcement coming up next week as well for me. So stay tuned for that. It's going it's going to be a nice opportunity for me a big opportunity. I'm excited to announce for that Tom. You have been crushing it with content up at Fantasy free agents.com. I've got to pick up the slack as A matter of fact as soon as we get off the air here, I'm going to go make myself a sandwich for lunch. And then we're going to get to working on updating our cheat sheets in our final rankings so we can get those up. So pay attention to my Twitter feed at FG underscore Dolan and Tom's Twitter feed at Tom Brawley and also the sites Twitter feed at tff a fantasy. So, you know that when our cheat sheets are updated for your weekend dress today. So for Tom Brawley, I am Joe Dolan. Thank you for joining us on this much longer than anticipated edition of the fantasy free agents. Cast I hope you all enjoyed and good luck in your drafts this week. 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Hey everybody, this is Shane McCormick from the cheap homegirl podcast in on today's show. I have returning guest dr. MJ cocoa from cocoa for cannabis. He condemned the show today to talk about his upcoming spring Auto flour challenge that I will be participating in during this podcast episode. I talked to three smart, but different cannabis Growers that will also be participating in the challenge as well with all things cannabis.They're growing styles are unique, and I feel you'll benefit from listening to them. You can follow dr. MJ Coco on Instagram and Twitter at dr. MJ cocoa. And also cocoa for cannabis.com. Please remember to press subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis in door. URS, this is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine. The cheap homegirl podcast will also feature a timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Before the show begins. I am reaching out to you to ask you really one question, and I want to know how am I doing as a podcaster? What topics do you want me to cover? Is there anything specific please reach out to me? Please? Get back to me. I can be found online at cheap home grow.com under the contact us page and also you can message me directly on my Twitter and Instagram account at cheap home grow. Or if you want to email me personally you can do so and my email is Shane at cheap home Grow.com Again. Shane at cheap home grow.com. So guys, please get back to me. Please. Let me know how I am doing and enjoy the show. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast and on today's show. We have returning guest. Dr. MJ cocoa from cocoa for cannabis. And today he comes on the show and he's going to be talking about the spring Auto flour Challenge on Coco for cannabis.com which starts 420 so it starts, you know in a another month or so and doctor if you could you know, as as always just give a very very brief background about yourself and then we can get right into the we get right into the topic of the spring Auto flour challenge. Sure. Thanks Shane. Yeah, my name is Doctor. I'm Jake Coco. I run the website cocoa for cannabis.com. I have graduate-level training in Horticulture. And I grow my own and Coco. I've been writing guides and trying to help other Growers grow and we're starting to do these challenges. This will be our third grow challenge where we try to just get people to grow together at the same time in the spirit of collaboration, you know, we currently have 30 guys grow or 30 Growers guys and girls growing in the New Year's grow challenge. So we're all going to germinate the the same seeds if we can we got a special deal to get the same seeds, but you can grow any any auto flowers. This is going to be an auto flour Challenge. And yeah, it's just a lot of fun to you know, get a bunch of people growing together and in the spirit of collaboration. Okay docked we'll listen, you know, thank you again for coming on the show. I along with my listeners we do appreciate its But I mean really my my first my first question is I mean what what is this challenge all about absolutely, right? Yeah, and whether you've grown Auto flowers or not or whether you've grown any plans or not, you know, this is something really we're open All Growers are welcome to join us. We're going to have some guys that have grown out of flowers for years. We're going to have some people that are brand new to Growing anything. But yeah, you know the current challenge we're doing with photo period plans. Most of us and most of us have grown photo paired plants have grown almost exclusively photoperiod plants myself. So this will be only my second time growing autos and it'll be a little bit different and a little bit new for all of us, but there's definitely good experience going on and that's really what we want. You know, just to be able to have it be a challenge kind of for everybody to learn new things to be kind of engaged in a community where we're getting new ideas from each. Are where people that have grown out of flowers for a long time can help out sort of with some of the specificities of the auto flowers and you know, the rest of us can get get an experience doing that and see what it's all about kind of pushes us to try new things. And you know, when you're trying new things you're not sort of off in the Woods by yourself and one of these challenges your got dozens of other Growers doing the same thing at the same time, and it's an opportunity for you know new Growers to To really have that Community to support them and to be able to ask questions and to be able to sort of show pictures your plants and see if anything is wrong with them and get that, you know compare just look at other peoples pictures and see if your plants are looking the same because we're all you know at the same time the same stage and really be able to you know, help get your first grow going if this is your going to be your first time for experienced Growers, you know, I think a lot of people want to sort of put their skills to the test. They want to see you know, compare their methods to other Growers methods or think about, you know, different Media or different lights or different kind of training possibilities with auto flowers. I think that that's going to be one of the really interesting things to see what we're all capable of doing with training Auto flowers and in a short vegetation period and we've got this deal worked out with the with the London SEED Center and they're going to give us 25% off of Of four strains that we chose all from Dutch Posh and we chose glue Berry OG think different Colorado cookies and night Queen. So we got a couple of sativa dominant a couple of Indica dominant strains. And if you want to order those strains, we got this 25% off deal with free shipping to everybody worldwide to help to support the challenge and sort of make it possible to to grow together. But like I said, you know, you don't have to grow those strings you can Grow other strains if you want to check out all this information, we got it all up on the The Challenge webpage at CoCo for cannabis.com forward slash challenge. That sounds like a lot of fun and I will be like the current challenge that you know you have right now on your site. I will be participating in the spring auto-fire challenge as well. And yeah, and I mean, it's fun to grow in a community of Growers. Wouldn't you say Shang you have you gotten something out of that experience I have ever had. Absolutely, absolutely. And I know it's been in about a week or so since I've updated my journal. I will be updating my general shortly. I just you know, it's like anything else man. I've been really busy with doing a billion things at once. Yeah, you know, no worries. I mean and that's really there's no rules about that. You gotta it's ready to take it for for what you need it for and you know some get me some Growers want to post updates every day, which I love I love sort of see in the the updates other people have busy lives. Try to get an update every two or three days myself, but you know, some people don't don't update for every couple of weeks whatever you're able to do to just sort of be part of the community and to see each other's grows. And you know, even if you're not updating yourself, you can still go and check out everybody else's and sort of see if your plan sir are measuring up or if they're sort of growing Beyond everybody else. Let's get back to talking a little bit more about Auto flowers, right and this Is a question that I asked you know that I asked chef and Angie and you know for you listeners out there Angie when I say Ang, I mean naked Gardener that is his, you know his name in terms of Auto flowers, right? You know and this is a question that I that I asked the the both of them. I mean, you know, I mean y-you know, why do auto flowers, you know, I guess, you know, I why do they have such a bad rap? Amongst guys that have been growing for a very very long time or at least that's my perception know. It's an accurate perception. I mean, I don't flowers have come a long way just in the last few years to so we have to start by acknowledging that for you know, throughout the 90s and the 2000s. There were a few autoflowering strains kicking around and I'll sort of related to low rider which was the first Auto flower and they were low potency. And low yielding and kind of scrawny little plants and yeah, basically since the two thousand teens now with sort of new breeding techniques and really getting those genetics crossed in with other strains. They're doing incredible things with with auto flowers They're getting th see percentages of two rival photoperiod plants. They're getting yields that can exceed photoperiod plants and Oh it's and there's certain advantages to running Auto flowers. One of the advantages is during the flowering period you can provide more light energy because you can run the lights during a longer period of time that allows the plants to grow more and it allows sort of larger yields in a shorter period of time so you can actually exceed the started gram per watt ratios that you can get with. Photoperiod plans if you can get a gram per watt which is pretty much considered like the the amateur Pro divided in indoor growing with photoperiod plants. If you can get a gram per watt, you can potentially get you know, one point one five one point two grams per watt with foot with auto flowers just because you can leave the lights on longer. They don't have the same kind of concerns with light leaks with making sure that Dark period is totally dark so it's easier in some ways for for Growers. And in terms of managing the growing environment. The challenge with auto flowers is right. I mean well, I mean what's so it goes? Yeah, it sounds you know, it sounds like Auto flowers are for new Growers. Well, they can be right, you know, there's challenges for new Growers to and that's sort of important to be aware of one of the challenges is that the plants start flowering? NG to their biological clock and if you you know have issues or if the plant struggles during the seedling or early vegetation stage it's going to start flowering anyways, and you know, you can't sort of give it more time and recover from your mistakes. So with new Growers, sometimes they'll struggle because you know, the plant won't get as big or will have some issues in the early vegetation stage and then it'll just start flowering and You know, you're just gonna end up with a smaller plant. So those are the issues. They're not the end of the world though and you can recover sort of easier from some of the auto flower mistakes. Like if you make a lighting mistake with your photo period plants if you leave the lights on for example, or you know don't have the lights come on or get like contamination or something. He can end up with hermaphrodites you could revegetate your plants. And then sort of ruin all of the buds that they had been forming and those aren't concerns with with photo or with auto flower. So I think that photoperiod plants are easier in the vegetative stage, but Auto flowers are a lot easier during the flowering stage. They just kind of go on their own you don't have to flip them or anything like that. You're right. They just they just go man. I mean I and and I say that because I'm currently growing one right now. Barry Baum from from grey bird seed from from graybeard seeds. Okay, and you know, it's it's it's going along really well. It's going along its progressing along. Well, I mean I should have you know, I should have trained it. I don't know why I didn't train it. I just you know, I mean, I've been super busy and I mean real life gets in the way. Sometimes. Let's talk a little bit about training and Topping with auto flowers. I I mean, you know, there's there's rules for a photo periods, but then there's a whole other set of rules for auto flowers. It's basically because you have limited amount of time with photoperiod plants. You can take as much time as you want to train the plants and you flip them to flowering when you're ready based on you know, you're training with Autos. They're going to flip to flowering when they're ready to and you really don't have any control over that so It's important to get whatever training that you're going to do done in the amount of time that you have to do it and can preclude certain training strategies. I think it's difficult to do a multiple top manifold for example or main line with auto flowers, but I'm gonna try I'm certainly going to talk my plants. You know, you have at least the first three We three and a half weeks to work with and vegetative growth. So you can sort of plot out what you're able to do in your grows in the first three and a three and a half weeks and oftentimes I can top my plants twice. I usually can top plants twice within three weeks. So I'm probably going to be able to still do a modified main line, but a true main line is topped three times, which I don't I don't think there'll be quite enough time for that. That I actually did end up doing a true main line on an auto flower last time but I was training it and I didn't realize it was an auto flower so it can be done and ended up producing really well, too. You just have to be aware that you can't just keep letting the plant grow out of the training. It's going to start flowering and you can certainly end up topping and doing things too late in that cycle. So so you got to get your work done within the amount of time that you have now the strains that we chose the forged strains from Dutch Passion that we chose for to be the official strains here for this challenge are all ten to eleven week strains. So there are a little bit longer than some other Autos which can be eight to nine weeks trains and that gives you a little bit more time. We chose that in on purpose to give new Growers sort of a little bit of a more comfortable experience. In the training stage and make sure that everybody had, you know good size plants before they started flower. Okay, Doc and you know, I mean as as you know, I'm you've been on the show multiple times. I mean, this is a question right that I like to ask everybody including you that comes on the show. And that question is are there any questions that I should be asking and are there any final statements that you would like to make and if you could could you talk about the Growers that? We'll be coming on the show in the next in the next three parts. Yeah, sure. Um, well, you know just to sort of wrap up my thoughts about the the spring out of flour challenged. I'm really excited about this. I love Growing With A large group of Growers. I think it's an awesome opportunity to sort of build community because oftentimes, you know, we're kind of secretive about our Gardens and we can't really talk to a lot of people about them. And this provides you an opportunity where you can talk as much as you want, you can sort of brag about your plans. So you can ask questions about your plans or you know, you don't have to feel embarrassed about anything. So it's great for new Growers who are just getting started. It's also really great for experience Growers. It gives you an opportunity to share what you've learned you'll have a bunch of new Growers that are really eager to learn from your experience and it gives you a chance to put your grown, you know up to the test and see see how you do it, but Against a bunch of other, you know experienced Growers and it'll be really fun to see how these Auto flowers do in different setups with different media with different lights and with different Growers, you know and see how all those variables really impact the final plans. So I'm really excited to see how it's going to go and doctor I should have asked you. What is your growing medium for this challenge? Is it is I'm going to be growing in Cocoa, okay. As per the norm I'll be growing all four of our official strains. So I'm just going to grow one plant of of the glue bury one of think different one Colorado cookies and one Auto night Queen and with for plants. I'm going to I'm going to try to top them twice and do a little modified Mainline and I talked about that and the training episode actually, which was the Last episode that came out before this one. I think I'm of mine. We'll see how that goes. I'm not entirely sure but I'm Gonna Run them in I use number five are pots. I use an auto drip system with Hydro Halos. Everybody can check all that stuff out on my website. I have DIY tutorials and guides that really take people through my purse set up almost exactly and yeah, it's going to be fun. So you're going to be talking to Chef you're going to talking to you naked Gardener and you're going to be talking about California Kid. These are three guys have grown together with for all of them for over a year great Growers. They've all got really different experience really good experience. It's see. I think they've all basically come from a soil background. Yes. Yeah Chef is now growing his first crop and Coco coir and he's enjoying it. I think California kid. I think I mean he's chattering about you're gonna have to ask him when he comes on. He's chattering about going to Coco for this Auto flour challenge. We were talking the other day that you know, one of the advantages of cocoa is you get really good growth rates, especially during veg. And since you have a limited window with vegetating growth for auto flowers, he's really interested in And trying to take advantage of cocoa and getting you know that fast growth rate early on in the grow. So I think he might come over to Coco for this grow and then you know naked gardeners got a lot of different experience. He's been around gardening for a long time and he's you know a British guy with a really great attitude. He does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great guy and he brings Just a you know, a wealth of experience in different out areas and an amazing through Z as mm. He's a great a great friend to have in the form. So I think that you know, the listeners here will get a good sense of the the community that they'd be joining or participating in if they if they grew in the spring out of flour challenge with us. Okay. All right. Well, you know doctor I appreciate you coming back on and I will I will talk to you soon. Yeah, let me just toss the website in there one more time. Amateur go go for cannabis.com forward slash Challenge and you know everybody's welcome and we'd love to have you. Thank you and I will I will talk to you again soon. All right. Thank you Shane. Hey Ang. Thanks again for coming on the show. I appreciate it. And I have a question for you. And this is my main question. You know, what are you looking forward to regarding the spring audio file or Challenge on Coco for cannabis? Well, I say hello and good to be back. Thank thank you again for coming on the show. I appreciate it. Welcome good to see you. I don't know who you again. I'm looking forward to the challenge this time around with it being an auto flour challenge. I've not grown out of flowers before Zoe. Yeah. No, I had to get up at the opportunity. They've always grown photos. So I'm looking forward to it. And I've I'm having the opportunity of trying to grow a new strain, which I think is new to many people. From the London SEED Center Dutch Passion, which is called think different and according to the write-ups on that. It's a good plan for beginners who are new to art of flower has a fairly good yield on it and it's a sativa and love to see somebody else going up to you know, so that's a new one two, new ones really also flowers and any strength sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean and I mean, you know, you've I mean I've gotten to come To know you are, you know fairly well and you've been growing for quite some time. But I mean, how come you never decided to grow Auto flowers? You know, why now? Well, I've got the opportunity to do it now and I think it's an awesome idea coming through the seed Center and that what they're offering right now. So that makes it very affordable worthwhile, but I've always liked the idea of photos because I've just like the idea of deciding when I want my plants to flower. And so I'm more prepared light and I think maybe also flowers you might be have to be a bit more prep for that to be ready for it. So and that's I'm probably wrong in that but you know, I can see the value of doing it. I just I don't know maybe I was too old school and just sitting there, you know, it's what I'm used to do in the not try anything else and I was limiting myself. Right? Well, I mean this this upcoming challenge you are you going to do anything differently right? Well, I'm going to be going for plants in 4x4 again. Okay, and I'm going to make sure that this time I get the screen going going early on I think all right and try and then tie them down and open them out fairly early. Hmm. I do have a new light system, which I haven't actually set up yet. But looking forward to trying that. Okay, and yeah, I think it's a fairly new setup for me as well from the last time. Spoke because I was just running the ten in the room, which I wanted to be my grow room originally, but I want didn't have the ability to set it up and now I have and so it's literally a seal white room right now and I actually have like five plants growing in there right now seedlings actually start three or four days ago. Oh, really? Oh, my God lights just came on right now. So I've got them on this 45 watt LED bulbs in humidity Dome and that's kind of a test room for me. So I'll be actually outright those growing at the same. Time they'll be older than the Altos and at that time I can start with the auto flour challenge. I'm hoping that these photos will be going into flower. I'll turn to flower and I'll allow them the odds of flour challenge going as and then my photo ones in flower in a separate, you know space in separate space. Yeah and well with the auto-fire challenge your your your chosen medium if I'm if I'm listening correctly will be soil. Right sure. Yeah. Yeah, mostly because that's what I've been preparing for the last few weeks, but building upper using a base soil and then adding things to and an organic matter and things like that and then that really settle in and then naturally your watering the soil and turning it over and things like that. I'm adding, you know, peels like banana peels and such. So I've been working with that style for a while. Yeah, so I've been working with that soft for a little while and it's cut and what they said cooked, you know, it's not big. It's it's just it's growing organically in there. I've taken some tests and I'm quite happy with that. So I want to use that up instead of Let It waste so and my desperately do want to get into the cocoa and and auto watering and that's that's something I'm looking forward to but for now, it's its soil unfortunately for yeah for now. Yeah, right. Well, I mean, you said something that I find intriguing. I mean you're going to be adding what banana peels through your soil. And what what else are you going to be? I guess what up, there are like thrown in there. Well, when of composted it I find that, you know banana peels up good source of potassium, I think and true think like that. So, you know adding that also kind of bolsters the met the the soil after I win this thing's composted. It's going to bolster this long. I mean, I like somebody had I had somebody say one time you can't make bad style good by putting fertilizer in it, and I think that you know in that saying with and Owing to build that soil up by adding organic matter. It's so it's building that soil up, you know and make it good soil. But and then reusing that Silo the next time you know, so it's great for the environment as well. I get but yeah, I think I answered the question there. Right? Right. Yeah, you know, I mean you've been growing photo periods, right like since well since forever and you know, this is a question that I That I asked chef and I'll ask you as well. I mean, why do you think guys you know, like yourself that have been growing for a long time? You know, why do you why do auto flowers have such a bad rap? I mean like I mean because and and I ask that because you know, I know a lot of Growers and you know, almost every single one of them tells me. Oh you shouldn't grow Auto flowers. You should grow photo periods you Can clone them which is true. You can clone photos a lot easier than Auto flowers and you know, you know that that any I mean, that's a good point. But I mean why you know in your experience in human growing for a long long time a lot longer than me. Why do you think Otto flowers have such a bad rap? I wouldn't even think about it. I'm in the background as such I think people are nervous because this just fine. To try something different. Maybe I'll just because that maybe in a way I don't like saying it may be sometimes you like. I think I've been guilty of this sometimes where I think I know something and I tell somebody something and find themself. I'm not exactly right and some people this negativity that I've had from certain growers in the past, you know, where they've said no, you shouldn't do this or you should do it that way and I think you know trying to get away from that aspect of things really nobody really knows one person's technique works for them and you know, some guy my groin hundred percent pearlite Nobody else is going to say that's ridiculous. You know why I would you do it, but if that guy's making it work and you can show it's working for him some of the guys going to try and it's going to fail he's going to say, oh I've tried this method it doesn't work. I've tried cocoa for cannabis method. It doesn't work. Well exactly. What did you try and do how what was he set up like when you were doing it see what I'm saying? So I'll tell flowers for me. I've got a bad rap because people just don't understand them and I think and I think that just shows probably for them. There may be nervous, or maybe they just maybe I think that they've already attained some level of knowledge that they don't want you know, they've got no, but I think also flowers are great plants. I have no I think it's a great idea and especially for new Growers. I think that would be the way for any new girl to start if you're unfamiliar with growing a photo then go with an auto flower because you're guaranteed to be able to start doing an if you look at the right up to think different. It's targeting people who have beginning Growers. It actually states that they you should What to expect at least 300 grams per plan right the beginning grower. So I mean that I don't know I would like to see if that claims true, you know, right? Sure mmm, but sorry, I mean I don't if they give his getting a bad rap, I don't understand why personally, you know, I mean, I've I say they're coming from my own personal experience, you know, I've only been grown for a short amount of time and you know, I mean like like what I've said in the past I'm not I'm not the I'm not The best grower it right? Right, right. I mean, I mean really it's funny because I mean that you know, that's what my show is about. It's it's it's bringing people on my show on the sheep homegirl podcast that know more about growing the me which you know, and I mean, I think it's more than fair to say it probably about, you know, 99.9 of my guests know more about growing cannabis than me and really essentially that's What the show is about it's about I guess in a sense educating me but also educating you on the on the opposite side of this recording. So yeah sure. It's right. You did a great job I think and you know, obviously the ability to be able to do this now is just always amazing for me to be able to have people share their knowledge life whether it be through like this media. More whether it be through a website, you know, the knowledge base is hundreds of years of experience. You never say it sure. Absolutely. Yeah variants he put it all together. Hmm. So that's why I love it. You know, it's like, how could you not it's like the alexandrian library at your fingertips. So your thing with the podcast is amazing for me because people are coming and listening and they feel more comfortable. Hopefully when they listen to you and your show Henry lives like yeah I can. This I got this right right. It's you know, it's you know, it's not as intimidating as you know, people make it out to be now. It's also not as easy as a lot of people make it out to be it's probably like somewhere in the middle. If you if you know what I'm saying. It's about commitment to me at the end of the day. If you don't feel like you can connect to it a hundred percent right sure if you think that you're going to be around and then you're not going to be around don't do it. It right because it's just, you know, obviously like, you know how long it's gonna take and like having a kid, right, you know, you've got to really take care of them. And then sometimes you can go all day so you don't need to worry hmm. Sure exactly that patients have been a growing it's always like all should I be doing this should it be doing that? You've got sit down and say no you don't need to be fast enough with that right now. Just leave him alone. You know, it's that is hard. But even so for me, it's a setup process to I lied are that part, you know being able to figure out system and make it work and watching other people do it all the different methods and it's amazing. Right? Right. Well, you know and Angie I mean getting back to the challenge. I mean, you know in terms of Auto flowers, is there anything specific that you know that you're hoping to learn I mean anything About topping training, you know, because with with auto flowers, it's a whole different ballgame. So is there anything there that you think that you that might be or that might surprise you I think just want to start flowering. Hmm. I think the thing that happened, you know, because people and I again the strains we've got four different we've got four strains for grad night right in while strange right so, you know, No, coco is going to be like, dr. Coco's gonna be going for of eat one of each so I can imagine that's going to be a big challenge for the end and because of the different growth rates, perhaps so I'm thinking in terms of because I'm going for the same. I'm expecting the growth rate to be fairly equal but that's not guarantee it is it so I think I would you do if once flowering earlier, you know the different I don't know how that's going to work yet. And also with the stretch. I'm really not sure about how that stretch is going to work. Because I'm doing for I'm going to have to stay with fairly small parts, you know, maybe less than five gallons probably. So for the whole grow. Hopefully that'll be enough. You know, I mean, I'm estimating that they're probably going to be medium sized plants and probably could be bigger if I fired the size pots I was going to use you know, but we'll see that's that's the whole thing for need to see what I do with it and what they do and how they behave and learn from that and you know, Watch other people's art flowers and see the hour. We all go with that. You know, that's that's going to be the surprises for me is like I say the flowering I think just see what happens now they do that right? Well, I mean, what what do you mean? What do you think that the flower time is going to happen? Maybe maybe what like 30 days in or four or five thinking? Yeah. I'm thinking yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I was just talking with chef and he he's he had he's grown Autos in the past. I think I think he said four or five other times and he said that his his yields were in impressive and his THC. You know his THC was you know in the in the in the plan itself was was impressive so, you know, I mean, I mean as of right now I am I'm growing Barry Baum, and I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I'm getting pretty close. I know that wasn't part of the of the nyg see challenge, but you know, I'm looking forward to it. I think I mean I estimate that maybe I'll have another 15 may be at Max 20 days. And you know, I guess we'll see I guess we'll see what my yields Willoughby and well I've seen the pictures of Man, and they're looking really nice, you know, and you know, I mean, I can't wait to see when you've got the money and obviously when you come to harvest and then you know, see what you have but sure the I bet you know, you're obviously looking forward to that absolutely but chefs knows a heck of a lot about stuff that it blows my mind that guy and I'll be honest with you. He's a desire Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't call them something like that for sure and E-easy said that than anything, you know, you can take it as read in my opinion. It's a Surefire fact. So I think that a lot of people are going to get a lot for now this one and I think because of the shot would be to short bed periodically and before flower shop shot. Well, let's say ten weeks file period isn't me? It's like well, yeah, that's what two and a half months. I mean that's not bad but a bit months inside, right? It should be a lot of fun and I think like anybody trying out for the first time like me doing a stirfry. I alongside people who probably never grown before and it's think I'll give this one a go lot of setup going. You know, I'm ready to do it. I think that I'll be nice to see if we can and like yourself. You know, I can't wait. I mean are you going to be obviously are you preparing for this challenge as well? Alright. Oh, yeah. Yes. I will be I will be partaking in this challenge as well. I know with the current challenge. I haven't updated my a journal in a little while. Yeah, I've been I've been a bit busy with the show and you know, I guess booking guests and you know, just doing it, you know just doing a bunch of stuff. But you know, I mean, I don't mind I mean, it's fun. I enjoy I love talking to two people that grow and because I mean, you know quite frankly they make me a better grower and you know, hopefully the the other person that is listening in they will make you a better grow as well. Well, you know, I mean this is how I like to you know end every podcast, you know with this with this question. I like to ask this question to a to everybody, you know, is there any questions that I should be asking and are there any final statements that you would like to make? Yeah any questions that you need to ask? Well, I can't think of right off the top of my head which I should have one really. But I mean you you certainly are knowledgeable gay self and it's obvious to me that you know, the knowledge base you have and what you're learning is the cross reference value. You don't take something and just go. Yeah, that must be correct, you know your brother you and you're helping other people do that. So as far as like like as far as myself really I just done. You know, I'm more curious about the podcasts and how it reaches people. Hmm again. I just want to really kind of reiterate to anybody listening that particularly with your show or if they're looking into starting up with this challenge with the car Coco for cannabis side, then it is a good time to do it because they have a great deal going with the London Scene center as you've probably noticed and if you haven't seen it great time to grab some nice seeds, you know. The side also be a part of the challenge and and again, I think we've said this before it's never really a challenge. It's just personal one, but it's not like we're all in competition with each other were sort of growing together and asking questions, you know sure and so I'm just glad that we were able to come together with you and bring that more, you know to more into the public eye and more into it into the public idiots. So, right Yeah, those questions I think it's I'm just like say I haven't got really that many tact right here right now. No. No, I mean listen. I mean I didn't mean to put your I didn't mean to put you on the spot like that. But no that's you know, I mean, that's just something that I like to I like to ask, you know, everybody that you know, that that comes on the issue, you know, no not this shit that yeah, that's pretty cool. But again, I just like to thank you, you know for your time and for what you're doing and having us on the show there and I know you spoke to Chef earlier. I'm not sure I can't wait to hear that song and who rest of the guys like you're going to be talking to talk to them? All right, you know Angie I appreciate you as well and thank you again for coming on the show. Thank you. Shane. Let's talk to you again. Hey Chef. Thanks again for coming on the cheap homegirl podcast. I do appreciate it. And you know, really my first question for you is why are you looking forward to the spring auto file? lower Challenge on Coco for cannabis Oh, well, thanks. Thanks for having me Shane. Sure pretty excited to just really see other Growers growing alongside. You know, I'm there's some definitely some different methods out there people can achieve a bigger guilds with auto flowers and kind of excited to see everybody else's grow really well. Have you grown Auto flowers in your past? Yeah, this will be probably my fourth run with auto flowers. Okay? Okay, I mean well, I mean, I think it's I think it's fair to say that you have well, you probably have more experience with with a photo periods then Auto flowers. Is that the true to us a wreck? Yeah, totally. All right. All right. I mean, you know, I know you know, I guess I know I guess I know Otto flowers have a bad rap. On the street or at least you know, I guess that's what a lot of people say. But I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, what do you I guess I mean really like what are you looking for in terms of Auto flowers? I mean, I mean, what do you what are you hoping to to learn from this from this challenge? Oh, yeah, there's a there's a lot of haters out there still about Auto flowers and I'm not sure they really know, you know how how to improve their yields or you know, get some good nugs. I've grown out of flowers. It's 18 to 20% THC. So, I mean really they've been they've been great for medication purposes. Sure great, but And but I'm really looking forward to doing like a sea of green method with the auto flowers. Well, I mean, what do you mean by see a green? I'm just going to try to cram as many a flowers in there as I can. Okay, pretty much. I mean they grow fast they grow pretty short. So I'm not too concerned about Heights, right? Sure just a little more concerned about my Horizontal space really right? Well, I'm going to use a scrog is that is that in in your plans? No, I don't believe so. I was going to try to get a hold of a atlas plant Turner actually. All right. Okay Rob. Yeah, I know Rob quite well, actually, yeah, I mean if I mean if you I'm not saying he'll give you free shit, dude, but I mean if you are. Reach out to him or if you go on a site in use and use the cheap home Grow coupon code, I believe and I'm not entirely sure about this still because he came on the show, maybe three or four months ago, but I believe if you use that coupon code cheap home grow. I believe you can get 15% off. So oh cool, you know if you want to give that a shot on the not sure what the discount is. Right? Right. I know I'm not entirely sure my Myself, but I do know that dr. Coco uses the atlas plat trainer. I've seen yeah on his. Yeah. I've seen it on a site. Yeah, he just started using it this grow and it's this looks like it's working pretty good. Hmm, right? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I robbed offered the atlas plant or anything when he first came on and I said no, but you know, I don't know. I wish I had that back. I mean II can I can definitely hit definitely use them now so, you know Rob if you are listening Meaning if that offer still stands dude, I would love to have some free Atlas plan trainer stuff. So yeah, man. Yeah, but but I mean really I mean getting getting back to the challenge. I mean, I mean what I mean, what else are you looking forward to? I mean, you mentioned yields which you know, you mentioned high THC but I mean what else? What else do you want to learn? Well, I'm really looking forward to learning more about training hours saying they things happen very quickly with them. It's just like you can either top them and they'll grow pistols or you could top of them and they'll keep growing but it's just all in timing really there's a lot of lot of experience Growers out there that I follow on Instagram and whatnot. And one of them is actually mentioned in High Times magazine as an expert on auto flour. Green 75 greens. Oh, yeah. That's right. I think I'm pretty sure Jack from Jack from Jack Green stalk on Instagram mentioned this this guy and I'm on my site now, what's what's this handle again? Green 75 green. Is it on the score 75 or is just 75? Yeah, I believe it's underscore. Yeah. Wow, he's got what nearly twenty one twenty one thousand people following her man. Wow, and he's got some big some big stocks their holy holy Christ. That is impressive. He's been in the game a long time. Yeah, right. Yeah exactly. Um, and and really Chef. I mean this this next question that I have for you I plan on asking this question to everybody that comes on the show. Today that is recording this episode. But I mean really, why do you think why do you think Otto flowers have a bad rap compared to photo periods? Well, you can't really grow a not a flower like you can a photo period and you can grow a 20-foot photo period, you know Otto flowers. I'll only get so big can you clone? No, you cannot clown an auto flower. That's another bad bad thing about Auto pliers. You can't really preserve preserve genetics, you know, but so if you have like a fire strain, you can't you just for whatever reason you can't keep it you write can't keep on producing that that same fire. I'm sure you're right initiating a breeding program, but that would take A lot a lot of time right? Exactly. Yeah. I know. I think I was with like people just don't know how to train train them or what to expect. You know, I mean if like with that guy green 75 with all his plants and stuff. I mean you grew like a whole Warehouse full of those. I'm sure you can get a pretty decent yield off of them. All right? Sure. Exactly. Yeah. No, I'm looking at his Instagram. Now. I'm also looking at is a YouTube channel. It's pretty it's pretty impressive. I should you know, I mean maybe I should reach out to a to this guy and you know have them on the show perhaps it'd be awesome if you can join the challenge to right? Yes. Yes, the the a challenge the a spring Auto flour challenge. All right, cool, man. But yeah, I mean, I guess you know, I mean, I don't have any, you know specific questions for Regarding this challenge, but I mean are there any I guess are there any other any final statements or other any questions that I should be asking before we before we part ways here Chef. Oh, just wanted to say that I'm going to be doing more of a kiss method of grow this time. I'm not going to be running cocoa. So well Chef if you could could you please explain what is a kiss method? Acid kiss meaning keep it simple. Okay, right. Okay, it's just water only so loyal. All right. No pH know checking EC run out of that know why why know what so you're not going to check your Phi you are you going to well, I'll check it out and make sure everything's conditioned. I have buffers and stuff added to my soil. So okay pretty common. Are you going to be using distilled or purified water? No, actually, I'm I'm on a aquifer ran. Yeah, it's pretty good well water so it's to neutral pH and it's not very high and PPM. So it's a great great water source. Well, do you do you check your PhD the add any pH uproar? Down or do you just simply throw it in there? It's a neutral pH. So just using that straight. No pH buffers at all. Maybe my soul got all the buffers and it for it to work biodynamically. Like that's okay and your current grow set up for this challenge. You said you are growing you said you are growing organically. Is that is that true? Right? So you're Use a tenth. I'm assuming that's the plan now, I might get a little overwhelmed with this many plants as I plan on growing but I gotta another tent ready to go. So and how many I guess how many plants do you plan on actually growing in your sea of green? Well, I was planning on a growing two of each of the strains that are recommended in the challenge, okay? That's about eight plants. And I'm pretty sure I need some more lighting. So if I have to split up the tents anyway, okay. Well, I mean, what's your current light setup right now? Well, you really shouldn't run more than six plants under one light so might just have to add another light in there and I might not even have enough room for all those plants. So, okay, we'll just kind of see how it goes. Okay a couple of stir in there that are a little stretchy and pretty big. So right. Well, I mean, you know, and and we're all going to be growing. We are all going to be growing Auto flower. So I mean what what is your light cycle going to a be? All right. I'm probably going to run 24 hours or the first couple of weeks and then I'll reduce down a 2020 our lights on for our arrest. Most people around them 24/7. I'm a growing right now. I'm growing Barry Baum by gray bird and my light cycle is Is is 18 on and six off? You know, I mean, and I know I know with auto flowers you can you know, you can you can do you know 24/7 you can do in your case, you know, twenty and four, but you know, from what I understand every living thing needs some arrests. So that's why I'm doing mine 18 and 6. Yep, totally makes sense. I know or light with auto flowers is usually recommended and that's probably to propose to you know to promote more growth. They get bigger, you know, so but I'm not sure 18:6 should be fine. All right, Chef will listen man. I do appreciate you coming on the show again. I appreciate you, you know waking up. Early on the west coast and listen, man. I look forward to communicating with you on Coco for cannabis. Yeah YouTube and can't wait to see your update. Hey, California Kid. Thanks again for coming on the show on the cheap home grow podcast, and we are going to talk about the spring Auto flour Challenge on Coco for cannabis. So if you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself? And also let's get right into the spring Auto challenge after you do that and why you are looking forward to participating in this challenge. Awesome. Thanks for having me shame. My my background is somewhat brief. I've been in trying to grow for a while and I say trying to because we're always trying new things and getting better. But the the part that excites me about The spring Auto flour challenge is I'm going to go out on a limb here and try something new for myself as well. I'm going to jump into cocoa now from my understanding is the auto flowers really reach their full potential growing and Coco you get faster more vigorous growth. And when you have a shorter lifespan of a plant that that Vigor is really essential to getting them. Max maximum Potential from your plant. So being being in the auto flour challenge. I'm going to be able to peek over at my buddies check out any help. I might need it's going to be readily available and hopefully I can get a hang of this cocoa thing and get some explosive plants here going sure. Yeah, I mean and and I know we talked well not off camera, but because we're not being we're not well, we're not on camera. We talked prior to the recording and you told me that you grew Auto flowers in your past. So I mean, I don't know. I mean, is there any I guess you know it in terms of advice for somebody that wants to grow Auto flowers. Can you maybe talk a little bit about stress training about guilds about topping, you know, you know anything along those lines perhaps yes there. The the I don't want to say technology But Otto flowers genetics have come a long way from where they were when I started to hear about them 10 20 years ago yields weren't great. The plants didn't do a whole lot. The potency wasn't there. Well here we are 15 20 years later and there are some really good readers that are really doing some great things with the auto flowers. And so Yield, is there the potential is there you can train them. There's some guys out there that you can catch on the internet and various forums or locations that are just doing amazing things with auto flowers. Now all of them. I've seen that are really doing these fantastic grows or all in Cocoa. So I have good good quality. I have decent yields with my soil, but I want to push the limit and I want to do some Of these big huge plants that some of these guys are getting and they are topping them. I taught my Autos they are training them. There's a couple of guys I'm thinking of in particular that do some really aggressive training and their plants really show it man, when they when they harvest and they're taking pictures and full bloom. They're beautiful and they're big and the potency is there so I don't I always cringe when I hear people knocking Auto flowers because they say that the quality isn't there. But things have come a long ways and they are there. So there's benefits to maybe a novice or somebody with a tight schedule Auto flowers open up some availability because you're not reduced to a 12 12 light schedule there for opening up, you know more availability, you know, I mean, I mean, you know right now I'm currently growing Barry Baum from grey bird seeds and my light schedule is It's a it's my got it's a 18 and 6. Now. I know with Autos it can be 24/7 but you know, it's like anything else I you know, it's it's a living you know thing and I want to and I want to make sure it has some rest. I guess the question that I want to know is what is your light cycle going to be? I mean, you know, is it going to be 24/7? Is it going to be 12 and 12? I mean, there's going to be a you know, 18 and 6. I mean, what's your What's your plan of attack there? So personally, I grow the Auto 5 hours. I've grown and I am currently growing for now. I run my lights 24/7 24/7. I'm although I'm in California. We have a pretty mild climate year, but this winter is is pretty cold. We have occasional bouts of California what we call cold weather where it dips down close to freezing where the rest of the country is giving us the finger because Nice and sunny and warm, right? Everybody else is freezing. So a benefit to that is running my lights 24 hours. I'm able to maintain my temperatures up a little bit more in my ideal range and I don't use the heater. I use my lights to go ahead and keep warm and the summertime I will sometimes take it back to 20 and 4 so that there is a little bit of dark time in the peak heat of the day and that will help help manage some some high temperatures. But the guys that I really am looking up to as far as the quality of their Auto flowers and they only grow Auto flowers a lot of these guys grow them 24 hours of light just because of the genetics of the plant its it can handle it. Right right. Yeah. I mean that's that's true. I mean, you know, like I mean, you know, like what I said, I'm growing I'm growing 18:6, but I can I can very easily switch it to 24, you know hours per day. But I don't know. I mean, that's just my that's just my plan of attack, you know, but you know, I mean that's just the way I look at things but, you know getting back to the to the challenge now. I know you've said you've grown Auto flowers in the past, but you know, is there anything there that you know that I guess might surprise you in terms of this in terms of this challenge. We're doing some we're working with little bit different genetics. As far as a breeder goes. I haven't grown a whole lot of Dutch passions Auto flower seeds. I love their photos. So I'm this is going to be new for me working with a new breeder. But as far as really the auto flowers go. I'm not expecting to see a whole lot of new new information with these other than the Vigor and and the explosive growth I anticipate with the Coco that I see other guys getting and so I'm I'm eager to get into that get some some some of that rapid growth and I'm and then that can open up some of my my training my low-stress training because I don't train my auto flowers a whole lot because they're kind of growing a little bit slower as it is compared to some of the other examples I have so I'm hoping with the Coco it's going to speed things up a bit I can get in there and train some more and then that will get me a little bit better yield may be a little bit better quality if I'm getting some more light deeper into the plant. Sure sure now. Well, I mean in terms of grown with with Coco, I mean, this is a new medium for you. So I mean, you know, I guess my question is I mean, what do you what are you expecting there? I mean, do you have any idea or are you just going to be like, you know Screw? Screw it. I'm going to see what I'm just gonna see. You know, what what happens here. You mean as far as using a new media, right? Exactly. Yeah, I'm pretty much just gonna jump in here and kind of sink or swim. I helped a friend of mine now, he's just started to grow and by helping him a little bit. He's growing and cocoa. It's piqued my interest because I've built my confidence up a little bit. I had to do a little research to help him out. So with what a little bit I've learned I was able to help him we see some positive results. So I've kind of been bitten with a bug a little bit watching. Dr. Coco's grows and and listening to him a little bit that's kind of piqued my interest. So now I'm just looking to get in there and see if I can reproduce what I'm watching other people do and the best way I feel for me to do that is doing it right in there at the same time elbow the elbow with the good Folks at CoCo for cannabis, right? Okay. Well and you know something I mean, what do you I'll tell you what, I mean II didn't ask this question to to Angie and chef but I should have but what do you what do you like about dr. MJ? I like the science behind his information. Okay, he he has dispelled a lot of myths that I have seen circulating for years if not decades for an example A lot of people will praise defoliation really stripping out a lot of leaves and really get it in there. And fish boning these plants. It looks like I mean, it doesn't look like there's much left other than bones. Right and the science says that that is not the best way to manage your plant and there's people that argue but I do it and I see the results and then he just goes through and breaks down and explains in plain English what you're seeing and what's really happening and of an since that information in a way that's real easy for me to digest and understand that was one example, of course off the top of my head under a spotlight. I'm going to draw Blanks on more examples, but he just put some information together in a way that's that's clear and easy to understand and then these dispelling a lot of popular myths that are leading people in the wrong direction. So the guys really personable great to get along. Eager to help people out just a really good salt of the earth guy. Okay. Alright. Alright like California kid. Now, you know, this is a question that like to ask everybody that comes on the show and it's a question that I usually say for last now with that being said, is it are there any questions that I should be asking and are there any final statements that you would like to make? That's a good question about you know, any questions I have because I don't try to put a lot of forethought into coming on to a show or somebody's going to be, you know asking me any questions. I like to keep it spontaneous and honest, you know, I don't try when I think about things I tend to overthink things. So I really don't have any any questions to throw out there. My mind isn't in that mode so to speak but I will add that. I appreciate the time and effort that you put into making these shows because it really does offer a lot for people who are looking for for answers, you know, you come on the show and you can listen to to some guys talking about some stuff and you can tell that your guests really have a full understanding of what they're talking about. They're just not shoot. In from the hip and making it up as they go and that's that's nice. I appreciate somebody going through and collecting this information and compiling it for us. It's a good thing you're doing man. I appreciate it. Well, thank you very much III do appreciate you saying that I you know, I really do and I've I mean, you know, not me not to you know toot my own horn here, but I have gotten quite a bit of positive feedback, you know, whether it be In DM or Twitter or Instagram Facebook, you know people you know again, I mean, I mean, you know not to toot my own horn but Pete, but people seem to be liking the show and you know, hopefully, you know, hopefully that continues fantastic the same here buddy Take Care. Thank you now. Hey everybody. Thanks for listening to my podcast with dr. MJ. You can visit him online at CoCo for cannabis.com and On Instagram and Twitter at dr. MJ Coco. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember to press the Subscribe button. You can visit cheap home grow.com / episode 55 to get show highlights, and please remember to sign up for my email list. Thanks everybody. I'll see you next week. Thank you for listening to the cheap home grow podcast. 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I invited Dr. Mj Coco from CocoForCannabis back on the Cheap Home Grow podcast recently to talk about his Spring Auto Flower Challenge. As a grower that's currently growing an autoflower, I feel this challenge is going to benefit anyone that's thinking about growing autos. To this day, autoflowers have a bad reputation because of there low THC count, your inability to clone and they're flower on their schedule, not yours. However, in the past few years, genetics has become a lot more stable. As the cannabis growing community expands I feel autoflowers are getting adopted by newer growers like myself. I feel their a great "starter" for anyone that hasn't grown before or is looking for a challenge. During this podcast episode, I'll introduce you to three different growers that have different growing styles but all are looking forward to the challenge. I look forward to seeing you there. Please visit CocoForCannabis to signup for the challenge.

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Here's break it down right now stay tuned you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, That's right. AfterBuzz. All right. Hey, okay. Whoo you guys yeah. This is the know. I'm very happy and very very cool. I know all the coolest moves. Thank you. Thanks Josh in the studio knocking welcome. Thank you guys so much for joining us. This was a great episode. We had a challenge that we have to go over. We had a tribunal with a lot of action. We had drama and we had a killing floor. So we are going to get into all of that tonight. I am Pamela gross. Thank you for joining us. And with me is Daniel Lindgren here Danny drama, especially because everything Wesson d a my team my team as always David Christopher was going on guys. Yes a very loaded episode. Yeah. It was good. It was it was good. It was loaded. Let's start with just our overall thoughts. Do you I'll kick it off my overall thoughts were this is the turning point in these games where you really start seeing the good competitors and the people that are floating by and the not so good competitors there starts to be a clear line. And this is where this is where it gets real. Yeah, my overall thoughts you've got two guys. That is mainly what you're talking about tonight. And that's the what bear did all the things that Zach did right and I think that we're going to I think that people what no matter what we We say they're going to be some people that loved it. Some people that hated it. No one is going to agree. This is like politics tonight and no one is going to agree on those two at what they did. You totally just came in like I was I felt like is watching SportsCenter and now doing you're talking about like a highlight from the game or something that you just came down to just like own it dude. That's like yeah. Yeah. No, but I agree man, you know pick a side, but personally I you know, as far as the overall thought of the episode of that was great there was, you know, good drama in there. It didn't drag too long, but it's also fun to watch the challenges were great. I wasn't stuck to the whole bear thing. I personally kind of just disgusted by it. Yeah, but we'll get into that. Well, we also will be bringing you guys tonight a special segment, which is the top five reasons. Why bear is a big gimmick, so we will give you our hot takes on that soon. Let's start with the challenge. So well first we go into the setup of the evening in the house tonight. So we get to see like Polly and Cara canoodling and Zach and Kyle. I'll once again talking about Cara right? So that's sort of the lead in for the drama that we get and then we roll right into the tired out challenge. So they had to they were chained to their partner. They had to run look at a puzzle pick up a tire and stack it and they had to do that 14 times. What would you guys think of that best challenge the season so far? These are my favorite kind of endurance. I love endurance. I love that they chain them together because that's going to be the producers I give the purse. A hard time a lot. This is a great move. It's going to be guaranteed drama and also D got sweaty and all kinds of places and I love me some juice. Okay, so bam. All right, sounds good. I love me some dee dee dee. Yeah, I agree with you man as far as the challenge. No, it was it was an awesome challenge man in you know, one word is dead lifts practice. Those deadly is getting those tires in the beginning. That's exactly what that was. You're just flipping tires. That thing is heavy here in the desert. It's hot as hell. You know, I mean in then you got how many of those things back and forth back forth. So I mean that is insane. This was a lot of endurance and you know again, like you said it weeds out the weak from the strong and your yeah see exactly Who's Gonna Come Together? Who's gonna crack? Yeah, solve it that bottom Tire you work out a lot. You probably do a lot more legs than I do how much that bottoms higher way. Oh, dude, that first one no idea because there is what like how many likes it but 13 tires or something was out with some were bigger than the bottom one was like the biggest one the bottom one was the biggest one. I'm just wondering Weight Wise if you could tell us in the live chat how much that bottom Tire way for all your worker outers there. Yeah. So a few observations that I had from that challenge is one. I don't know how everyone was doing it we saw different approaches Pauly and not ninja Natalie who won were rolling it. It's like this is round. Why are you carrying and roll it Hunter exciting ones? Yeah. That was awesome. Hiker surprised me with his total gassing out. I've never seen that from him, especially that early and especially when Georgia was like come on man. And my other thing was Maddie stood out as strategizing. She was like, we're safe. We have the Relic this week and I'm just going to watch how teams interact and learn which is a good thing for a rookie to do that's a good place to be and yeah worry about so why you no kill yourself doing this and you're fine. Yeah. It's but I do agree. Sorry Dan, I do agree that, you know, it's just And Hunter, I like Hunter man. He's you can get a great cheap. But I you know, I thought he would perform a lot better. I was kind of bummed that he was kind of guess not like that giving up. Yeah. Yeah. I think the bigger guys like ash to he didn't do that. Well that hot in this challenge so Ash and Hunter I'm totally shocked and Hunters endurance and that was that low. And yeah, you know, that's the thing about being tied with your partner and white so interesting because one person's got more endurance than the other right? It's so true and I thought that like I know Wes indeed didn't win but I thought their endurance was around the same. Mm, and obviously I didn't even get in the top three but like you're not in West is so smart. He's not going to fight with someone. That's that's there and right. Let me see about Zach to he obviously last season with Amanda treated her awfully and they both just treat each other off Lee, but he I thought for honestly exact. I thought he did treat Z to the entire time. He's been here the five episodes. I thought he treated her great. I thought they were great fun team. He never got mad at her he yeah, I I don't know. It was just it's a different side of Zach. Obviously. I Stand his relationship with his girl because that needs to end but I thought I liked his relationship was a hit as a friend. You know, that's that's a good point. And I agree with you on that one too. I think as far as the heater goes it actually went. Well, I think they did. Well, they got along really good. They talked about everything there was there was not a whole lot fighting nothing. Yeah, I agree. That was actually I think was a good pairing between the two my hot take on Zach and we'll get more into him and his drama more observations about Zach at this point. I feel like he's salty and he's over it. I don't think he really has any heart in the game. I think he kind of enjoys riling people up and he is miserable. He's like a bad energy force in the house. He seems pissy mean jerky and he doesn't seem to really want to win that much. Yeah. I know, you know, it's funny to even say that because this challenge is I feel like it's we saw that a lot. This is specific episode this specific car competition. I mean, you know same thing with like we said Hunter normally he Hunters got a lot of harps. Yeah weird. Obviously bear quitting. That was well. You know like yeah, and then you know since yeah, Zach's I will grow through Zach too kind of seems like he's hard to not fully. Yeah, you know, it's just it's weird. It's really weird to see that especially from these competitors that you wouldn't necessarily. Yeah, I think you know now I'll get into the fair thing real quick here because it's part of this this challenge. I don't really hate that he got mad that he was having to carry day through that thing. I don't mind that because he clearly his endurance was better than hers. Right? Like we're saying One's Gonna have the endurance and ones on your chain together. She have to stay together. I don't mind him being Frustrated about that because I know if I was destroying the challenge and of course David you're struggling I'd be mad of course, not me. But no, I'm just saying that I understand the frustration why you quit is just dumb and obviously but he's getting the face time that we had talked about Pam. Right? That is that was a stunt a gimmick ridiculous everything he did and sure he made a mark he made waves, but that's where we live in a strange time where these social media and Stars and pseudo celebrities. There's been a lot of I always sort of trust people might do are things for air time and pick up games. This seemed to me like the biggest gimmick stunt BS. I'm going to fake throw Tantrums fake. I'm going to play this character of The over-the-top Jerk that it took me out of it to some extent like I'm even having a hard time being pissed you bear cuz it's like you don't believe that you're just pretending to be it's like I'm gonna throw up. Tantrums on air and be the back the crazy guy which takes some of the Integrity out of the game for me. I and especially watching poor Dave on who cares who you are playing for a million dollars. I don't know what bears and game is or what he wants clearly doesn't want to win a million dollars or he would not be behaving that way and and taking it that few wants to get himself on another show and he's probably gonna do that with his with all these events. But no, yeah. I can't stand there. Yeah. I don't understand why he You're watching and you're like, I mean, I want him to make good points about being mad. But then he's spitting out nonsense and I'm like, I'm not even mad at you. I'm bored with you because I don't care what you're saying because it means nothing you're saying stuff to say, I don't think he knew what he was saying half the time right he commented on the other clothing that Natalie D was wearing. Okay, who came because her fashion sense. What are you doing becomes like really like you lose engagement. Yeah, you just kind of like we did. Yeah, you're just like it literally seems so Dis Jamie you're like this? This is not this guy's this is clearly an act. He's trying to make you know character for the show. He wants a TV time. Exactly personally. I got was I that I got disconnected. I was like, okay, I don't mean by this. I agree and we were like midseason maybe at this point nitish and I feel like he's been flying under the radar apparently in his last show, which I didn't watch. She was the drama that the main drama sir. Like it's like if bananas went on Big Brother and was The chill guy in the house, you know, I feel like it's like that. He was like I got to make some noise. I got to make some action. I feel like I mean, he likes sorry not to jump like a frat boy just on the table randomly. Yeah, it was so obvious and apparent. It's like he's going for a tension. That's kind of yeah, and when he quit so when he quit he's saying y'all are bums. You're not fit to She thought he was saying those things to his Alliance and his friend, you know, the only people that were ahead of him at that point that you knew were winning were Cara, Paulie and someone else from what they showed us, you know, right but at that point it's like we lost we're gonna die. I'm not doing it and he's calling people the c word he is just so over the top that say what we will about a Cara and a poly and all of that car has yelling at Zach and blowing up. At him sincere you can see her like shaking with hurt like that is a real relationship a real hurt. That was betrayed. This was all just clap back stun. What can I do to make a scene? Let's say this though, even though bear cause all that drama he's here for another week. Think about that. He couldn't have caused more drama and he still avoided The Killing. Well, that's and let's see if this first of all what I tell the people Dan, I think you've got it. Yeah, I just want Thank you guys for making us the ESPN of TV talk. That's what I want to say. I want you to hop on YouTube, you know subscribe subscribe subscribe. And you know, if you're on iTunes, you know, give us one of those five star ratings not a 4 star 5 Star we are just like the hotels we all like to stay at. Yeah being a part of AfterBuzz means a lot to all of us. So we just want to thank you guys and you know keep watching our shows. Thank you. Yes, and thank you all who are joining us on the live chat. We like it. We're taking a look right now since the guys. How's it going out there? So we at the end of this tired out challenge our winning three teams, which form the tribunal are ninja Natalie and Polly Nani and turbo who are the best and Cara and Theo quick thing on turbo. I don't think he broke a sweat in that first challenge, by the way. I honestly did he just like, all right. Let's go. Here we go. Yeah, I got a turbo has really grown on me. I like that guy. I enjoy we have that emotional talk with nany at the beginning of the episode before the thing and I that was sincere so we can all say how Bears was off. All tonight arise clearly doing it. Like I turbo was not doing that for the cameras. You got having one would not see the camera was there turbo is the antidote to Bear. He's like so adorable. So sincere. Yes The Shining Star I think so far the breakout star, I would say him and the CEO of the guys the new guys thinking of that and he's not faking anything like he seems so sincere which is why it's so sweet. I mean the things he says, he's I call her mommy because she's it's like that's a little weird. But very sweet I love her so much. He is a tea is adorable so teams that we that I like one. So that's cool. You know, then we get into the tribunal. So let's break that down first coming in so they devote. Okay. Well, what do you guys think of the tribunal because car sort of took over when they walked in? Yeah, well car was was she was like the longest standing got a Nani was in there. But I mean she's been gone for a little while now and then who was the other vet that was in there technically. Is a poly he's a hero, he's not well technically he's been back for the second season. But yeah, so yeah, she car takes control and kind of gets what she wants and then you got a throwaway vote with gustn Jenna. That was a throwaway obviously. So it was down to the we knew it was going to be between bear and yeah. Yeah, I do like how these tribunals of its it gets intense in there now. Yeah syrup is kind of like weird, you know? Yeah. No II think that's a noun. It's like it it seems like every time you're going in there. You're going to see some drama. Yeah. Well, I think you know it came in hot with Zach and Zahida coming in first. She had a little attitude which I think is fair to he's fine. I'm not know I like her no shade at that. But she did she wasn't going to you know, she was like it is what she and her bathing suit tonight Mike. Oh my God, I don't want to talk about no I'm saying I didn't notice what a hot little box yet under all that soapy saw her but but that's I don't have to find it's a pretty she's pretty she looked great. I was like, wow, look at that butt Zach was just so smug and so obnoxious and the thing that I don't get and we might as well break down Zach a bit without like You know when they say if you tattle on someone, you're really telling a tale that you're a tattletale. Okay. I feel like Zach saying Paul. He's talking up with car for followers. It's like why is Zach making an enemy of his good long-term friend Cara the season like what's lying with Kyle like a Zach looking for a story line. Other than that? He's a shitty boyfriend. I'm deprived my couple things though. What is his angle there? Oh, where's that? Where's where's A can car ever like really good friends and I like missing that I didn't didn't work. I think they were friends. Like there was a friend of the middle of them and they were kind of like Friends by association. You weren't they were I'll tell you because it was one of those things. I wondered that when it sort of came out they weren't necessarily like good friends, but they were sort of Had Each Other's back to the point. Where at some point in dirty 30 or the one after that. It was like someone was trying to get Zach Amanda I think was trying to get Zach to put in car on and whoever her partner. Or was he was like car wouldn't say my name like I have her back and she is sort of an unspoken are at their best friend only sort of we're cool like that where it's like unless there's a need we're cool like we're on the same science. So to turn anywhere, I guess friends. I don't know. I don't know if they were best friends that I know. She's friends with Jeff friends respect. Whatever Had Each Other's backs and for him to turn so completely I Like we can all I think everybody can sort of agree at this point and this might be a wrong taken. I might get a lot of hate for this. I love Cara there that's like my role that everyone agrees with that. I think everyone might be a little like, I'm not a car fan. Oh, I've never been a fan or not because I am and even if you're not I know you we can all agree her and Pauly are super annoying. Oh Knowing I don't dislike her at all. I mean I know but you know again I am not like against her and I'm not necessarily big fan either. I just you know, I think she's a I just went when she came and she was on with us last season. I just thought she didn't like even care if she was taking care like that. She was on of us she was singing background. I don't even like as a person as well. They're eating ice cream. Yeah. And I think she was like, oh we're here and we're on the Skype, but I don't want to steal her Thunder, but then it just became with and don't be uh, kind of got in the way the whole stuff. Okay stops. Yeah, he tells it how it is. Is he right about saying that Polly's with Cara for followers? Why is that? I survived that I'm not saying I'd like Zach of with the with his girlfriend thing. I think Jenna is her. Mine is Warped with that and that's awful. But I'm saying I think that I would hang out with Zach and have a beer with him. That's what I'm just I'm just saying Kyle to I'll have a beer with Kyle to David Sachs not funny and you can have a beer with him in five years when he sneaks out and sheets on Jenna who's pregnant, but you're getting my point of I just said that that's awful. I just said it's awful what he's doing Jenna. I'm just saying is he wrong for saying that Polly is trying to get more followers by being with car? Yes. I think I think that's well. Yeah. Yeah. A statement I think is wrong. Yes. Yeah, that's that you're saying the opposite. So I agree with that. I mean, but that's again. It's all opinion. Yeah, I mean and also stated though. He said this is my exact to get more followers by starting drama with Cara and Paulie and the sidewalk. That's what I'm saying. That's trying to get attention. All of a sudden Zach's never gotten involved in any drama. Now, he's going to take the most popular face of the show couple and sit there and call them out and this is someone who's always been friends with and instead of picking I'm saying now is Zach's trying to get attention Zack and now I This is just occurring to me Zach and Jenna, you know Cameo like Zach's I like don't even follow him, but I can see these like good a cameo for me and Jen. I think Zach's trying to get in the game. Now. He's probably not qualified to do much. Yeah, and now he's trying to get like social media rich. I know did you say that Zach's never been involved with drama though. You just I thought you just said it's because giving Amanda he's like I'm wittingly then that he starts talking smack. He doesn't usually go to the house and go. But man, they really like you said he's over it though. Now you said this he's okay. So maybe he's like I'm gonna start drama because why not? I think that's exactly and I think Zach's thinking yeah how much more of these I got in me. I'm gonna throw my chips in become a character because I'm not under the radar and I probably known popularly as a schmuck. We're not together music. We're not saying he's a good boyfriend, but he was telling it how he thought tonight with his opinion and I like I don't believe he thinks cars in love with Kyle. I think that's something that For fun, right? That was for fun. Yeah, I'm talking all I said was the in the followers from Paulie. I'm going to talk about Cara I'm saying Polly something to say though to it's like again, it's little he just stirring the pot and it's all a matter of opinion. I believe Polly and Cara like each other before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free you don't even Need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV like I 100% think A sincere relationships I would hope so. Yeah, I would hope so too, but I don't think I really do like call me a fool. I would not do that. I I don't I believe it whether it's gonna last or whether you know, regardless of whatever I do believe that they believe that they like each other. All right, you know the say so, all right. So we've got that then let's move on to Bare Bears Antics. So we already sort of covered Bears freak out during the quit and everyone see words and everyone's I'm better than all these people. I can't stand losing to these people. None of them are as good as me. So that was his quitting during the tired and then we get to the tribunal where he's back at it. So him and day come in. She gives a very impassioned sincere. Speech that, you know, we're tied together, but please you know know after she said and after he left, right? Yeah, so yeah. So what were some of his Antics he did talk over Ivory female right as Cara pointed out. What did he do? What was the D? He know you said that she didn't have like the good fashion sense or her clothing was not right. He was clapping back. Everyone is that until 92? Stop flirting with him, which was fun? He's funny. She's not But obviously that's where I'm like you are playing a character. This is your gimmick fine if that gimmick is him joking with nany that she's for with him like that gimmicks funny but the other stuff about her fashion sense like okay, what is that and all the other stuff you did? Well, we'll talk about the horny thing that he says to today before the challenge started. He's just trying to be outrageous and I think that that happens in reality TV, of course, but when you are playing for a million dollars One would think there'd be a modicum of try. Well, there's a certain if you're capable. It was a certain extent auteur. It becomes obvious. Let me know, you know, yeah. Yeah, what do you got to keep your head in the game? Because at the end of the day do you're going for a million dollars here? Right? I mean is you acting for and TV worth right losing a million dollars. So there's always that of course, but then to it's like there's that line where take okay now, I know it's just too much dude, you know, I mean, it's fashion sense the cart will it's like this because this is a so rare and was it like a barrel? What kind of side and it's mean because it's really mean for Davon who really wants to try and is kind of you know, it's not like they're terrible. I don't know how they are yet. So I would yeah, they're still in it, right if they're not in it to win it. I understand being in it to become a character and be on more shows. Yeah fine, but don't do that to your partner when you're not necessarily going to be eliminated yet. And you do get paid weekly on the show. So it's like the longer if You don't try and get eliminated. Think about the name of this episode is the greatest showman and we're all agreeing that that spare right? The greatest showman is someone that's acting as showman is someone that's showing off its not necessarily the truth. Yes, and it was also funny in that and then when he listens to Kyle so, you know, he's an idiot then Kyle's like they'll go, you know, go do stuff and that's when he jumps on the you here Kylie's and he's telling the camera men to follow me. Yeah. Stay with you. On your ass like we gotta go follow him. Exactly. It is funny because Kyle now, I think it Kyle is Kyle's no dummy. He says he's like, I like I like me some Kyle. I think he's funny. I think he's a man-whore but he's fun. He's a man-whore but he's Savvy he knows and I think he's playing everyone. He played big dumb Zach as his shield who's going first. I think he honestly is like life Zach Bowen is like that. Yeah. I don't want he meant for that. I don't think he wanted Zach to go in like that. I don't think he was like, oh thank God. I had my shield with I think it was a plan. How could I think he did me - I don't think at all. He planned on getting Zack sent home. I think he didn't want people has become Shield. Yeah, like why wouldn't you know, but you definitely did needs act. Like absolutely that's why I'm upset that Zach went home because I don't do you think that maybe Kyle have to go to West and be like Wes I need somebody on my side like who does he have now? Well now he's got all the breads now. He's alive with all the breads he is. He's yeah and all and all the vets. Like Maddie, so it's fair pretty and Chic. He's got he's got Polly coming after him so hard it's almost like Ten teams coming after him because Paulie doesn't care about anybody leaving except for Kyle and just a big Target tunnel vision every time he doesn't he doesn't see anybody else. Oh, yeah, that's where now it's time to put up or shut up. Like if you want to Kyle keep going like home Sue to my face. Well, then win a challenge Kyle, where do you know again? Just wanted to eliminate your last week. He won an elimination. But again, that's almost like All right, hold on hold on. You know what that episode really pissed me off because know how you did not win you what you got lucky by default because there's two guys taking on CJ CJ demolish both those guys by himself. He got lucky by default and that frustrated because when I saw CT go home like dude, you should not be going home. He's literally taking on two guys by himself and like man Kyle no offense dude, you seem cool. But if that was what I 1C to crush a hundred percent for either of them he hung on though. He he did win but Sometimes there's a if you're someone that always wins if you win once now that's incomes. Not terrible. I'm not saying I'm not saying Kyle's not good, right, but there's consistent people that always win. He's a real Hit or Miss. Sometimes he can win. Sometimes he totally won't win depending on but he's never left the challenge super early yet because he plays a fantastic game and that's what it's about really overall. It's about being it's about having all the things having good averages on everything whether it be politics whether it be the Challenges or the eliminations being pretty good at all. But he needed a Zack Zack is like fiercely loyal to these guys as we saw when he threw away his chance in a million dollars. They need someone else Kyle needed Cara in the first time he was on there and now we need exact so that for his for that side of the alliance like now in terms of a champion, that's not going to throw them in someone that can consistently get on the tribunal at that you're safe with because the Brits he might be safe with but it It seems like there's some consistent teams were seeing on the tribunal and they don't seem to be the ones where the Brits are ruling the vote. Yeah, so I think we should get was good to be what elimination do it? Yeah Killing Floor. So we have up for the vote Yes. We got z&z bear bear and day and then the throwaway Jen and Gatlin jenga's right so we know We know that it basically what did you think of the voting process where you surprised at how it went down It ultimately wound up being z&z that were seconds Akita that were selected to go in. Did you see that coming? Yeah, I didn't I they were playing it up that bear thing so much that I was like knapsack is here gonna go in. Yeah, but you go ahead. No, I'm like 90% agree. I think it was pretty obvious is exactly one in. Yeah, they mean they did drag it out where I was like God are they gonna and then the funniest thing happened when they when Zach and CT were trying to decide who they wanted. We all looked at each other when they said Wesson D and we were like, oh no don't do that. What are you thinking and then they did it and we're like, okay we bet we watched what happened, but we were like Wes Indira win this yeah. Oh, well, I got a conspiracy corn. I love it. I don't have one right now. This is further support for my feelings of Zach's just like go out with a bang. I'm over this. They had so much of a better chance beating Josh and Amanda Josh and Amanda. Maybe maybe even Wes and Georgia country in Georgia Hunter and Georgia get wasn't D. It's like I don't I think dear is so strong Baron Devon with them like literally any team. Any other team would have been Barren devot, right? Like he has no relationship with why not Leroy and his Because we've seen that that his partner. I can't even think of her name. Isn't that great so far. She hasn't shown approvers proved herself yet. I think he's probably friends with Leroy and didn't want to call him out. That's true. But there are people there were many people that there weren't really dramatic. I know Barons a heat up, but it's like you're gonna up there's a bread on every team. Like one of them is going to have to they're gonna have to break eventually this way too many of them and picking D and Wes over Josh and Amanda who are basically a layup. Here's a here's my thing, too. Amanda in him have such a history. Wouldn't you want to just take her out? Yes. Yeah in a clinic in elimination. Like why not? I would love to see the outtakes from this episode where where and Zack and Amanda decided to Ally against Cara didn't it wasn't Josh not able to finish that puzzle in the first episode. We didn't know it was a puzzle on the killing. We didn't know what it was going to be but are those two boxes? I already set up because then they might know like we're going to be something in a box. There's probably a puzzle box neighbor set up but no man, you're right now, but yeah, so Josh overall Josh and Amanda they need to prove themselves. I think they should be yeah. Yeah, so they decide to go with Wes and d and Wes again proving why he is always thinking I really thought that line the the wise West wisdom was Was these Brits look dumb and act dumb but they are not dumb and that sums up Kyle perfectly to like he played me so hard that person. I thought he was a big dumb lovable fun. I got no, he's so lovable and fun. Technically. I actually now we just know his game, you know, he's more last season. He was awful to every but this season he's been kind of fun so far. Well, he's been distracted because of poly so he hasn't really had much time to be stupid. You know, he said so He said a lot of dumb stuff last episode, but it was so it but see that's think bear said dumb stuff this episode and I hated it at least when Kyle was saying dumb stuff last episode. I was entertained what kind of why am I watching this show a little more clever than bad. I mean Kyle has good commentary and go decides where as Bears just saying ridiculous things and then going back on them when it was his sort of outtakes when he thinks they might vote for him. It's like, please please please. I'm sorry. I beg you, please please please. I love you, but your best friend and it's like come on stick to your guns. At least be like, I'll take you. Doubt if you're gonna Rollo through with that character, maybe maybe bear maybe bear Had a Bad episode maybe he's gonna come around next episode is going to be hilarious. So himself, maybe I maybe I don't know every episode Anything could happen every episode. Yeah, NOS. Yeah. Yeah. So what'd you think of the lights out? But Jessica lights out? Yes. Yes. No did West dominated so completely that it was amazing. I love D. So so basically breakdown super quick of this is you Our in this dark room putting together a sort of tetris-like puzzle that has different shapes and then TJ is out there turning off the lights periodically. So you're completely in the dark and one teammate needs to go RI flip on the light switch. So it's sort of running puzzle solving and teamwork. Yeah a little running they switched off on the runs to which I thought they both did. I thought that just I don't know. I for some reason I thought that Wes was going to run every time because I thought he thought D was better with this particular puzzle D was like in the zone. Yes. You looked at me. Well how like I was like, wow, I can't let you do this. She's like, oh, yeah. I liked it better when the lights were off because I have to worry about the color. I'm like, I would have been just I don't know what to do that. The colors are distracted. Yeah dealing with shake my parents and she was just like bam bam bam. Yeah. Yeah to backtrack just a little bit, huh, right before that started. I did like d and Wes because I like just like against CT last time once they were called you see that switch map. That's which literally switches called same thing that I liked about D. It was just like, okay. It's on no. It's like here we go. And once I saw it, I was like yes because Wes is back and that's what I like to see Ryan. I think D is a pretty damn equal partner with him as she kicks but you know and she turned it on and I think she may be performed better than West on this. Oh definitely but together they did very well at first I got to be honest. I thought the challenge that I didn't really get at first. I was like, wait what you got to like run and do a puzzle. I didn't get it and then once it's all cut the lights off and then they got wrong was like, okay, that's why she cut out that's hard like the endurance. You gotta run run directly back put the puzzle. Like I was like, yeah, so this this okay. Yeah and you have to be really quick because you're sort of Shifting mental tasks. Yeah rapidly like run puzzled Dark Run puzzle dark the teamwork and the heat explained what her and Zach were doing they were working for the outsides and working in I'm like, um, I my strategy would be to work start on one side and finish it one way not a jigsaw puzzle. We're building a kitten like right. I just don't think Zach's ever been good at puzzles, really and I don't we don't know enough about so he did a really I know that so I was going and I for for some something about D. I can just tell she is so damn witty up here. Oh, yeah, and she's obviously super athletic and she's strong. I'm telling you this team really good. That's what I'm going to say. I love me some D and west from now on instead of I love me some West Indies because that sounds weird. Right? Do you know what they are team? I and I love zahira. I wish we got to see more of her. Unfortunately. He's tied does that I love me some Zahida. She's so cute. She's really cute. I love her accent. She's so cute. She's so fun. And I honestly thought with that that elimination or challenge they had before with the with the map. I thought her and Zach really worked. Well Jim I love her team work on that was busy. He is good. I like this. Yeah. Yeah. She definitely would be good. We want to see her back for sure. And I think she could actually turn out to be a good competitor. Now. Let's talk about the teams that are currently falling super under the radar. And shed some light on them because there's so many people that I'm like, oh, right what's going on with can action cam is what I wish that they had showed the rest of the challenge play out to some extent so we could have seen where everyone else was. We have no idea because it's just like those three one and we have no idea because that was hard and if there were some people close behind those are people to watch out for yeah, so I would have liked to have seen At yeah, Leroy and I do not remember his partner's name. I don't know. What is her. She's a lovely girl. I'm sure I don't I don't remember her name. I don't remember the radar. That's all under the radar. She is we don't even remember the name. It does go to show that when you're not fighting with a car or a bananas even Amanda as insane or a stupid lavender lady. Yeah, you can fly out. She's flying under the radar tube right now to like when they've got a bigger enemy. Yeah, Amanda's just If I'm Hunter after his performance today, I'm on that treadmill every morning just running. I don't want to see you Hunter. I don't want to see you lifting know. I love you, honey, but I want to see lifting no more weights. I want to see on the cardio do an elliptical if it's bad on your knees on that treadmill. I don't care no more weightlifting just run because then you'll be good. She um his partner who's super cute to what's Georgia, Georgia her endurance was off the chart here. Yeah. No problem. I think 200 just had an off day man. He's better than I he's so much as sat in Tire David yet doesn't mean you got it. I've seen your teen of them in round one. He was like, I've seen him perform. That was as much his exact noise. Yeah, I'm gonna give him this one. I give you this one man, but you have hard dude, you've performed so much better and like I think crazy challenges and I'm gonna let you slide on that is why we're calling him out because it's so uncharacteristic of him. He's usually like the Terminator. He doesn't back down. I'm actually anxious to hear Hunter sir. Of response to tonight because has he ever now I'm like is he bad at endurance? But I feel like she's got into fight like he's never performed this poorly and I said, we don't know who knows what happened the night before maybe he I don't know strange that he was so bad at this or did so poorly and she we should get him on for the phone in here. I bet he would have any come back home with us. Okay. We'll talk to him about this last week. Maybe he knows something. We don't know that's curious to find out Hunter. We want to know and part 2. That hundred not doing good with other teams under the radar under the radar. No Hunter. Oh also Hunter. Yeah. I love Hunter and don't like Ashley and was a hundred percent ready to blame the constant bickering on her. Okay, but I don't want to see as West said, why is Wes wise when are you with your target with your partner during a competition and I do think Hunter knows better than that. He took responsibility in the confessional when he was just talking when he's a talking head. He was like, yeah. He's like I What she's mad and drives his my best thing, but the way he was acting towards Georgia. It's like right it was more out of like he's like damn George's kicking my butt. Like she's the better competitor today. I can't even keep up with my own partner. I think that's where his frustration right? He didn't get eaten quit like bear. So it is what it is since when is is hundred? That's what I'm saying. He started the challenge before they even started going and I'm not good at this like since when you don't crazy stuff I was dragging himself with a broken wrist across like a high. How far was that run from the tire area to the building the tire area. Was it in fire? Was it that far? I mean honestly who know we're not here but it seemed like it could be it looked like a good distance but not something where it's like but I mean I got to tell you man. So, you know, if you ever feel too tired or deadlifts, I mean that it's like the only imagine yeah, it's endurance. It's draining why not roll so Pam to rise with rollers and even like rolling those still if it's heavy. I mean then you're trying to hurry and I wonder how deep that like how how soft that sand was if it really went down. Sand and Manhattan - would be Which Way They carried it maybe must those hairs must have been so heavy for them to be able to climb up 14 of them like think about that the fact that they could hold their weight climbing up 14 of them as I got more and more narrow means they're pretty huh. Like I mean, I would rather let me say this though feel literally just for the last one was like putting a star on top of Christmas tree like that blah. So I mean he what Zach said about him like the car being teamed up with Olympian. That's the truth because guess what he's Olympian and he's tall as F personal challenge. So I don't think the only reason that's the only reason you're here is because and it's like no Karma Spirit just make he was definitely frustrating just making it a point, but she is with an Olympian and and that definitely helped because the putting those last couple tires on if you didn't literally stand on each other's shoulders or be six foot eight like Theo that game wasn't anything look at a poly. Lee and ninja Natalie Polly's what 5/4 and he managed he waited a little he just climbed up that he just climbed up the tires didn't even know he was there. It's tough. It's tough all around again. It's I think it's one of those challenges were it's like it's a matter of strength and endurance and we're not talking about Polly. He is kicking this challenge here this entire time. I'm not a poly fan, but he's just he's winning at my lab. I like Polly. I like pulling I like him even more now because I'm seeing him more and more as a competitor like kick butt and I'm seeing He's actually capable of my God. This this is a good competitor. So I let me tell you why I don't like Polly. Why don't you like Polly just just for fun right now? One one thinks one thing tonight though. He's bradying cars hair turn the elimination Paulie and I understand that cameras are trying to catch weird stuff like that. But he must have been doing that for quite a long time for the camera do like, all right, let's show them grating car is hair before the elimination Dan. You want Brady ladies here? Of course, everybody's here on national TV, and it's not going to be car that I'm dating. So sure. I don't mind. You're right. I guess I would but am I doing it on national TV before an elimination what I'm supposed to be like I wonder who's going to win this he's just he's not even looking down. There's like man. I love her. I love that red dragon hair. They're very weird. There's something very strange about them. Whatever having said that if we lived in a vacuum if I unzipped the bag that I lived in every week and just watch The Challenge I would love Polly and car like if I didn't witness anything else I would just say and it's few lies. Everyone attacking these poor good competitors. Like why are they use too much for me at this point, but I think that's one of the things I was telling you that no one's ever gonna agree. Some people got to love them and some people gonna hate him exactly. So we're gonna wind up closing it it on that note guys. We have had a great time tonight talking to you again. There is so much to go over. So we appreciate you guys joining us in the live chat. You want to hear from you on social media send us any news or gossip because at some I try and stay away from a to to watch the show with like Virgin Eyes but tonight has been great. Thank you. My name is Pamela gross. 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Bear talks lots nonsense being super unbearable, Zach and Zahida make a controversial decision, and Paulie braids Cara’s hair. Join David Christopher, Daniel Lindgren, and Pamela Gross to break it down! The Greatest Showman! About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge:  It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started Hello everybody. Welcome back. It's a new season of a challenge season 33 War of the Worlds. We are very excited. We are back here in AfterBuzz TV talking all about episode one going over this new theme the roster the lineup of new people and who's back and get an all into these new teams and the challenge of tonight's episode be right back you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, begin Is this Buzz beginning? All right, welcome in everybody. What's up, but this is amazing moving on to a new season. The season looks incredible 33 War the world's what we've needed this past Trilogy is now over. I feel like I should be saying welcome into the Vendetta's or the final Reckoning after show because those lasted forever. So excited to start on a new page. We're back. My name is Jenna bussiere. You can find me. What her agenda underscore bussiere and we got our panel back in town? Whoo. Hi, miss you too. We are I'm but I don't want to speak for everyone but so glad to be back and so happy to be talking about. Okay. I'm glad to hear it. Okay, I wasn't going to say that damn time. But a dog, I'm very happy to be back. I was I've been invited back for a second season. I don't know if I was gonna make the cut. I no longer a rookie. I am now as they say in the show The Challenge I met a vet welcome. Well, I guess you technically are because it doesn't take much to be a vet anymore. So Paulie run season Kyle Paulie and I was like, wow, we're really just going for it. We're really stretching the whole veteran title. Like I know they've done it before and she was in big brother, but I was like, all right, you're a big brother does not event make you for the challenge, but exactly of our dams and Natalie have a problem. Thank goodness, and Molly was Owning his veteran status to I felt like just from the initial slow-mo walk up. He was the one that struck me is like and how naughty said tonight. I cannot that's how I felt about so many things about Polly. I was like I cannot with how much do you think he spends a year on his eye liner? Is that a new thing was he not he wasn't doing islands like doing a pirate thing. Now, is that his new thing the hair Hai hair. I had nose ring are new but the and then the eyeliner was not from last season was it now? That's new, you know, when they're put to you know, hashtag para. Yeah. Are you talking about the other the clip of him morphing into cars are like one person down because I'm not sure if he's really wearing eyeliner. Other than that that I that one over my head. But anyway, yeah down. Yeah, I thought I saw some eyeliner tell us about it in the live chat because I'm adding that right now play along with the live chat. Give us all your thoughts and opinions of what we're talking about. I'm so excited to be back with you guys and I miss you and into we were historically laughing this entire episode. We were in there getting yelled at being told to be quiet. Yeah so many moments of this so let's go right into our overall initial thoughts. Episode 1 how are you guys feeling World War of the Worlds? Go ahead. Okay. Number one. I cannot wait. This was I'm so glad that the vendettas trilogy is over. Like you said this was on fire. It looks like it's going to be great. It looks like it's going to be better than anything. We've seen pretty recently it looked like so I thought tonight was super competition-based but enough drama to keep you, you know, I like the drama, but this was drama with in competition at with there were steak. X with the drama wasn't just drama for drama sakes. So I loved that I thought has Ashley ever not freaked out on night one. That's my other and there's some people I was really happy to see back. So I'm so excited. This was so great. I mean it was one of the best it was such a great intro and I loved that they had that special where they taught us about the rookies because we start yeah last week there was a special where they sort of introduced us to the rookies because I always feel like who are these people? I don't know them and now I felt like I had a bit of a sense of it and this happens like the perfect 10 second snippet about them moving on after competing Dan. What were your initial take this year? Especially with the rookies are 16 new people to get to know and if you don't watch any other reality shows besides this one, which you're crazy not to it's hard to know 60 new people but classic classic setup episode. I think MTV and the challenge did a really nice job of setting everything up getting everything going. It's called War of the Worlds. It's more like the u.s. Versus Britain. Let's be honest with him. Australian thrown in like it's that unlike were the world's countries kind of not really but that's okay. It's fine. It's more like the Revolutionary War. Really? Yes. Okay. I see what you're doing there. That's not do so. Let me ask you this. Let's get a little bit deeper into the theme and let's get a little bit more into the theme them watch, you know, a lot of us are challenge. Purists or loyal to the challenge cast and we just want to see CT bananas and car every time we were getting mad and all these Ex on the Beach and are you the one people start to come in which I was guilty to at first as well. But the more personalities that were getting from these shows honestly, it's amazing. Like I love having Dave on Angela was incredible having all these like fiery personalities from other reality TV shows but now we're getting more UK people Geordie Shore now. We're getting Party Down South. I don't know what that is. Love Island out. You know what? That is big brother more Big Brother winners The Bachelorette floor Bama. Sure. How are you guys feeling about the intermingling of All These reality shows? Okay, I agree that sometimes being a childish Paris works. But this time I'm so excited for it. And this is why one I'm going to say War of the Worlds. I'm taking that to mean and I don't even think MTV is taking into me this that it's the War of the Worlds like big brother verse this show verse Gordy Shore verse that they're all warring. Maybe the show is not that Together on teams just made up a new word. They're all Waring here. Hopefully it's a real world. Okay, so I think so. But anyway, so second there are some people that I'm really pumped on. Yes. Are you loving CEO? I love you. I'm really sorry about that party that hurt his hand and had to go home Ilan. I really liked and her cutie miss him already. All right peacock. Who else did I like I he was representing Mexico, by the way, which makes it more us for exactly. No. Oh, I think that the guy that picked nany. I don't remember his name. It might be turbo triple turbo likes women, he and his country like swimming. So turbo and a resort for nany. Also a think that these competitors some of that. Okay. So the reason why it was sort of annoying with just the challenges they were bringing in dating show people and you know big They're people they're bringing in some serious competitors to this and I think it's going to step up the game of our serious. We like watching CT bananas Cara yada yada yada over and over again because they really played a win at the end of the day and I think some of these people are going to give everyone a run for their money and I can't wait to see it a big run for the money Dan what anybody right off the bat initial thought so I know your love and D. Let me throw you a bone here and no you're you're feeling art. I've got a crush. I've got a crush on D. I also Think she could be great competitor and also Wes is my favorite Challenger of all time. And the fact that they're together. Can we spell fate? Mmm for Dan? Yes. Yes, is it yes is huge. Yes. That's correct. Yeah. No, it's really great. I think the casting was incredible. We have people like Ashley see who came in so hot like Thor pumping his chest is the best the guy his full name is Ash. I know it seriously. Yeah, he had to go with Ash because he's jacked out of his mind. And he's got to gut tommy guns hanging off the side of his shoulders. I don't know how his mind is going to work in this but I think in any physical just it when they have to go against each other and just hit each other who's gonna take him out. Zach is going to be putty CT is going to be putty they're all just gonna even Wes. Oh, he's gonna he's gonna go right through them. Here you go, sweetie. Those are not those fake muscles. Those are not Derek muscles. Those are real muscles. Yeah, I'ma say and yeah, he's roided up, but he had some base before he rotated. These he looks good. I was happy for him and I was proud of him because not that I mean, I don't wanna say look bad, but he was looking a little rough the last few challenges and I'm gonna say wasn't just a dad bought. It looks like his eyes were was bloodshot. He was in slow mo. You cannot cheat he's wedding. He was her glaring red cheek face like a constant drunk burn. So, you know what certain people when they drink too much alcohol. They're just always ready. Yeah. I feel like he was just looked so red and is Eyes were bloodshot all the time is like CT. Like are you right here? He was looking amazing. You looking as handsome as ever I loved. I'm so happy Wesson on your back. It's been way too long and Wes has actually hasn't been taking kind of a purposeful Hiatus. He's been wanting to do the shows. I was reading an article today, but it just conflicted with work and they never gave them enough of a heads up. Okay, that was like they actually called with enough time where I could get my ducks in a row and then I could actually do the challenge and I'm so happy we back and nany graduated. I went to school now. She's in some kind of skin care expertise. So I'm so happy. She's back. She's coming back in as fiery and spicy as she is already flirting already hooking up already on the trailer cup though. They can't Saying and they made out if you could even tell who was probably transcribed I saw that and then I don't know if this is a dance conspiracy corner here that they just they they cut the edit and they put those tapes right together to make it look like she goes and sits directly on bananas lap after they make out now she did sit on his lap, but was it directly after? I don't know they're not really together chase. You can relax by the way Chase. Oh my God. How boring does he look? He looks like he brings absolutely nothing. Just wanted to ask this pan because Pam is our resident batch. Jeweler that tell us about it I saw that Ex on the Beach I think he's very charming and good-looking but other than that guy can't really speak to his personality. I don't know I saw him on a season of The Challenge are I'm sorry Rose The Bachelor. Yes on the beach and I have nothing to say about him like literally nothing. He Wallflower. He's not even a Wallflower. He's a jerk. He's unlikable, but Even in a fun TV way, like I use always rubbed me the wrong way. He was one of the final three I think on JoJo's and don't crucify me chat if I'm wrong, but who chose Ashley as their partner? Was it him? No, we got to do. Who do you choose? I thought was she's I'm sorry if it's not chasing. It's especially that Ashley. Yeah, I felt so bad for him because we got to he was such a sucker. He had no idea what he was getting into. I did was it handsome clearly does not. Not watch any of the challenges, right? He does not watch the challenges clearly because he chose Ashley as his buddy, roshi one. So that's he doesn't know how she won or what she did when she when I should say. Yeah, but he's just I don't know and again, he rubbed me the wrong way on The Bachelor and now on this it's like you're gonna come in and like to get on her first try to pick up her act like go be with bananas. It's like how dare you comment on they've been friends for like a million years and also she can do whatever she wants. I love a panther fired up. Personally, I made out with a girl and two seconds later. She's sitting on bananas. I could be like a little upset like Oh, I thought we had something but I'm not going to be like, we're not we gotta talk just you and me now, but I'd be like, oh, maybe she's not the right person for me if I'm looking for something a little bit more. Maybe I don't know what Jesus meant to be a little hurt but it's not natural. See the thing is we watch the game at on around you guys. We watch every season we know the history between bananas and nany. Chase has been living what underneath that rough. That he just hangs out at a he doesn't know anything his clearly. He did not do any research about this show for coming on he shows Ashley and got 90 was just gonna want to be with him after talking one time. But I wonder I mean we both want he's falling into that stereotype where you comes from love reality TV shows like The Bachelor and Ex on the Beach because he's already trying to Cuff Nani up episode 1 which is exactly what they do an Ex on the Beach they meet they make out and they act as if they're getting married and how dare anybody else have it connects against them exactly. So and he doesn't even have a dog in this fight like the Chips and the challenge house are unlike anything else like they're so deep and so long. It's like a family even if they hate each other they love each other and the today so he's not getting anywhere with that and I don't think not I should be as upset as she was kind of getting he's just needs to move on what she was going to but we'll see what happens with Chase. He's still around we thought I was gonna lose in the first challenge which we need to get to but representing AfterBuzz TV. Oh, yeah, Morgan will let ya children's night. Yeah, so shout out to Morgan. She's on this season. She's an AfterBuzz ER she was a Big Brother winner. She's amazing and she showed up and she represented. Well Ex on the Beach season 2, which I'm watching now, and I'm obsessed with my God. I another MTV MTV vehicle. I think she's going to be a force to be reckoned with so I'm hoping she goes very far. She got bananas. Let me tell you why she can be a force to be reckoned with first of all, have you seen our necks on the beach, too? She has heavy they bring back their exes on that show. She has like three coming back every week. They just keep digging. I'm like how many people does she have to deal with? She's got a lot. Yes the Mind. Well, I've got it has got a lot of experience that she's doing it did a Juggle guys hadn't dated of Corey though because this might be why don't we put this up because Corey might be busy shooting Teen Mom now Cheyenne, but there's a lot of people who I'm shocked that weren't on this season. Okay. So quarter being one of them right Nelson being one of them because these people are just constantly on these shows. No Kaylee know Joss. I was shocked to know Devin if I'm Devon. I'm talking dead after last season. No Angela. I don't know why they might have been asked they might have been busy. The might not have been asked. We don't know why I didn't come back in theory. So shocker Paulie's here never saw that happening in a million years. I don't know anything about the casting reasons why those people aren't there? Especially Josh that rings out to me as a big one. However, You to the caliber of the rookies. I feel like The Challengers that were invited had to be strong. Like they had to be real just as strong competitor. I just think yeah, I think one that stands out to me. I think they got lucky last season with getting him any type of storyline with him. And what was us he's justifying Sylvia exactly. They pulled out every trick every trick they could out of that hat just to give them some type of storyline. They're like we can't do that again. That was way too much work. You're not on the season. He's just a farm boy with amazing quads and right shoulder childhood pictures of him last season. What are we doing? He's just the best looking guy you'll ever see. Then it's like my God. We're like, what is this happen before? Anyway, it's chemical. We gotta keep it moving. Okay, that's just a taste of a taste a taste of how we're feeling about the lineup. So before we get into our next topic, let's get into the challenge of the day impeding impeding impending Dunes. Yeah. Pam's got a word for you. I got buzzer. Thank you. Yes, exactly before we get into our next topic. We just wanted to say to you guys. Thank you for making us. The ESPN of TV talk for us to continue to grow we need your help. If you're on YouTube right now watching this hit that Thumbs Up Button And subscribe. If you're on iTunes, please give us a five star rating. But no matter where you are leave us a comment so you can get involved in the conversation. We obviously love to talk about this being a part of AfterBuzz means a lot to us. We really enjoy it. So we appreciate you supporting us in doing what we love and don't forget to tell your friends to keep enjoying our show you can find This our show obviously and other reality competition shows on that channel. Thank you. Well done pam pam do what? She said you have to get used to Ashley female Ashley mail because my brain keeps going they couldn't be more Polar Opposites so funny too because they put the last initial when there's two people with the same name is Ashley see versus Ashley. I don't know the other ashes left the girls who said let's get into a patent-pending do Dunes and to set this scene. I love that. It's like Camp TJ, and it's slow motion everybody. Just driving these ATVs around and you see the tents that we don't get any background of the tents first off like we do we get the special from last week. Yeah. I miss the special. Yeah. I'm hosting this panel a special takes place in that damn 10 and all of the the vets and the competitors are coming on slow motion the ATVs and I'm just like they make Look so bad as an intimidating. I'm thinking like how long did they have to practice drive around on these ATVs? Because how embarrassing would it be? You're supposed to be intimidating? I'd be like stuck in the sand of tripping over that we gotta run they didn't pick and chose who they should they showed him some shots. I'm sure there were shots of them. Like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. So yeah, and it was funny the mall trying to look badass and I'm looking at Amanda and I'm like you're okay and father take off. Yeah. So they step out and they go right into the first challenge of the day like five minutes into the episode. We see no time. I love it. And so basically we watched it. We know what happened the balls fall the further they get down these sand dunes the mountain the more screwed you are you have to run all the way down because it's ball run all the way up a mountain which sand like even walking from where you park the car onto the beach in the summer is exhausting. Walking in sand is more difficult than it looks and then so they drop the ball off and change of that get a puzzle go to the puzzle. And then whoever finishes first is first in the rank, and that's where you want to because that means that's how you're going to pick your partner. So common in hot. It's the guys round first. What did you what are your initial takeaways? What struck you from these competitors? Oh, man. Okay. So I I liked that there's a certain amount of reliability and that I Polly obviously bringing home. I'm though in that was fun. We got to see what the new people can do and whose frontrunners they're obviously I love Theo I think that Ashley C is going to be really fun to watch was happy to see bananas and CT doing good. Yeah. It was a really fun competition and I'm with Dave on unlike. I don't even like the StairMaster that is so hard. So seeing those guys to a good job was exciting and it did it set the precedent it sets the tone for this is going to be pretty hard. I think if this competition was later in the season, I would not I've been impressed. I think it's a nice opening episode, you know episode competition. Yeah. I mean you're I mean running a Sands awful. Yeah, and now dance conspiracy corner here if there was an equalizer tonight and they had to do boys versus girls. The boys should have been Barefoot. How crazy would that huh? Hot sand before Barefoot seems like less of an equalizer more is like a few like that sucks. All right. Well, hey, it's an opinion. Damn is a personal attack. He brings up a very good point. Point though love that it's boy girl. Thank you. Thank goodness. There will be luckily. I don't think there will be any equalizers this season because I'm over that. Yeah, that was nonsense. Yeah, I agree with what you said to it's a really good opener. It's a good way to just kind of set the scene and kind of weed through certain people. Like if you can't do a puzzle. You're probably not going to make it too far on the show and it looked like the easiest hardest puzzle just putting shapes together, but that can be so difficult sometimes yeah and getting down to it. I was very shocked that Baird. As well as he did. This is kind of neat. Now. This is Kyle 1/2. He's half his size. He's like a mini Kyle and I can only take one Kyle. So I you girls are in on Bear right now. I'm staying out. I'm staying out on bail right now. I'm just surprised because it seems names Bears Things become he's like 5 to I don't know if that's true. But I say it's kind of stupid because he strikes me as somebody who's gonna get Violet a bit more on social game and just being like the fun idiot that no one takes seriously, but it's kind of awesome your second. Yeah and Kyle so they're really people don't because Kyle finishes last. Yes. Mmm. Yeah, um, Leroy and Chase getting into it in the beginning was funny. I love that Leroy's back. I forgot to mention that in the roster lineup love that Leroy's back and I'm happy that he's getting into it right off the bat competitively with somebody and be like, I'm back to yeah to make my name known to prove what I got. I like that new camera kind of like not sure what they are right now. That's I'm looking forward to that romance seems like he's in and she's not full of course, but that's what I mean. They're on opposite sides. They don't know if she doesn't Wanted he does right? I love this stuff him Roy. I want cam Roy Hill a cam is killing Leroy. I think Dan Ship whatever it is though. I want the no challenge baby. Do you think she's playing hard to get or do you think she's not doesn't want to be God. I think that they are both very proud people. So it's whatever. I like you. I want to get over argument. They had, you know, they have four month. We don't know what they thought about over the summer something when John probably who knows look at us. Ya can't believe I feel free. To hear from you when the girls started off and they said that they were going to eliminate, you know, two people are always like, you know, if we lost one of the twins it wouldn't really matter because there's two of them. Yeah then bam we lost what I thought you know, I really said I wrote it down though as a joke. That's when we need steps like womp womp. Well we're waiting for stuff to do it. But yeah, so it's getting down to the guys final round. It's Gus Chase and Josh and I was shocked that - lost I meet a we thought it was going to be chased and then I wouldn't be surprised if it was God's but I actually have a low-key. I'm very interested in what Gus is going to bring I never watch Florida, Florida Bama sure, but I feel like he's almost a diamond in the rough. So I don't nothing about his personality. But the way they're setting him up. It seems like he's got a pass. It's got a chip on his shoulder is something is trying to prove and he doesn't seem too cocky about it. He just seems very calm confident and determined. I'm kind of like very interested to see how he's going to play out especially being with Jenna. I think it'd be a very Jenna was like natural Ash. I could not believe that. Yeah, I really liked what Gus said about why he picked Jenna it's something like, you know, but get a lot of rookies made a big or work. He's made a big mistake not watching previous Seasons, so I'm going to go with Jenna. I really like that. I underlined it. I don't know anything about him. I thought he was like the male Ashley just like Southern thrashing or something, but I don't think he is. So, thank you. Dad, you might be Eminem he at but I've been I was like, nope, no backtracking on that. I like him. He's another one that stood out to me. You don't understand what likable when Josh Lawson. I was telling you girls behind the scenes. I was like, I'm pretty sure after the basic training episode. They showed him in previous new episodes yelling a lot at people. So I'm like something's going down at the others episode. I'm sorry. I kind of figured he was coming back somehow it might be you know, how first episode at Eating were there so many new people so much going on that you don't really get to see everybody in their truest like, you know in future episodes and then they showed him eliminated. I was like that Josh is definitely coming back somehow. Okay, so that's really nice shot producers. Why would you put that in a short clip of him in the house? So is that a hair can get quite confusing they kind of the same exact hair and body type Tasha much bigger. Just Justice. Come down to his knees. Sorry. I was back on Gus. No, Josh Josh Josh. Also, I will say because I just started watching Big Brother last season like 22 is my first and I think it's weird that he choked because big brother is all like Mind Games pressure social and competition that I mean, maybe he's genuinely not good at puzzles, but that was weird to me first episode on a new show like that. I mean, I'd be nervous. One big brother. That's what if he got the Running part down the puzzle should be and it also is surprising because what I did see from him a big brother, he was one that run around with that amazing don't like he was hitting pots and pans waking everybody up like he kind of did it psychological warfare in the house? So it's weird to see how many was like, I have a diary like he pretended that he didn't win because he had anxiety. So again, I don't know. I don't know him, but I'm glad that he's back as I'm sure he'll bring drama especially with Amanda as his partner. So they'll be a lot to see there but it did seem weird to me that he didn't win and I wish that chase I think challenge is really intimidating because these are people that you know have been around doing it forever. And then you have the new people like an Ashley see who is a massive. His quad is a size of my entire body. You have people did you a warrior like people who are athletes so it's definitely that's and also let's be real. They're like 5 to 10 years younger than a a lot of these a lot of like a West or bananas or a CT. They're like, okay, they're all do look at it there to be competing against people that are just athletic if not more and they're younger and I'm sorry ten years ago. I had a lot more energy than I do now small fish. But what yeah, they don't know the mind game of the show. You guys. Well, no, but TJ even said to this the best things you have going for you ar your alliances. So Dave on I thought was really smart and the only person that they actually showed strategizing about if you get to pick your Partner, she's like the Brett's that's what I'm saying. It's u.s. Versus Brittany pretty much. Yeah. Well, they're gonna team up. That's my point. Well, I don't I mean I will only time will tell because I do hope you come Morgan and bananas are not Brits or big brothers or she's a big brother, but I feel like they're going to go far. I don't know. There's a lot of game in this they also have bananas. So yes, he's you know, what Wes is here this season and West wants Nothing else more than to get rid of bananas and I'm so team West and his partner. Yeah. I'm very good very good get into the Partnerships, which is my favorite part of the episode. I love it. But first, we don't really talk anything about the girls heat. Okay sounds today. So Dave on wins. Yes. I gotta give it to her. I don't know why I was so surprised. I don't know but I was so happy that she wants she really is technically, you know, a rookie / back and now he's Brandon she still sees and she was struggling. With Josie, we're in baby bird. I'm sure all the time. So maybe Josie was little bit more the anchor and she's a badass competitor. But anyway, I was very happy that she won Nani medicine thoroughly. Guess girl. You still got it and cam second half a second Ashley and fifth Amanda. Now, how am I not be able to sell this puzzle. I'm supposed to be smart. Yeah, then Jenna Jenna does it. She pulls her braids together against that puzzle at 7:00 and then Cara. Ash has a it's awesome car with and she what Cara what happened? I don't even was mesmerized by Polly's eyeliner. I don't know. She I don't know she was if the puzzle was like a naked picture of poly that should be done into she's lucky that puzzle wasn't later on in the season would actually matter who came in last as far as the bets go. So, that's the obviously the rookies are when they calling him the prospects had a lot more to lose. Obviously. That was weird. I think the sometimes just You get in your head. Like if your you think something's one way and it's another and you can't get out of what you sort of think and you just get stuck. I mean, I don't think there's anything he said, well the first challenge of monster. I think everyone's extra nervous for the first challenge. They don't ya but then again they've done this so long. How long have you known this boyfriend? So the prospects the Natalie the American Ninja Warrior finishes first. Yes, and she's going to be a force to be reckoned with I was so proud of To Morgan for finishing second. Yes. Thought she did amazing Under Pressure that's got to be really hard to come in as a rookie and and she killed it. Good job Morgan Georgia Georgia. From what I've seen from her. I love her and I feel like she's the comic relief just happy-go-lucky Spirit there and I couldn't believe that she finished so quickly above some of these other girl. Yes. I agree. She's really like a ball. She seems to me like a sort of I loved Melissa, but most that was a little Edge. She seems like a more sweet and likeable. Oh, yeah. Listen. Oh, thank you. I'll take I'll take this new girl over Melissa. Yeah. I mean, I like her I think I'm happy. She did well too and then it comes down to sahih te I hope I said that correctly and Liz the second Twin from Big Brother 17 at the end and I was just say goodbye to the other half of the twin. Yeah. Yeah, and it just kind of like no problem. No problem. Hey, Julia, you still there? Yeah of twins. Because it says here in the wonderful things you print out for us Jenna that that Liz actually placed second on Big Brother right and doesn't say where Julia plays but I assume she plays not as good great get to the look at my research so that you know, so maybe Julia gets to win something finally because one big brother get out of here, please Liz just felt really guilty for winning good conspiracy corn again. We're like well throat will get you a car. If you throw a ball and we invite you on the live chat to tell us you were conspiracies for this keeps me. That's our conspiracy quarter of the night. So let's get into the DodgeBall pick and time. I love when it comes down to people plucking each other off to try to get these teams and we see them kind of doing holding job interviews and figuring everybody out who they want to pick us their partner going in to the draft because we think it's going to be the veterans picking the prospects but I love this twist. I love that they switched it and now it's a process picking the veterans because you either watch the season or you haven't so they've only seen maybe this one first challenge some of them or some of them have watched the show forever and they know exactly who they want. But I thought some of the choices were so interesting like Natalie was number one the let's do that. I want to say I forget about Molly from American Ninja Warrior. No, no, but this is Natalie D. So it keeps Radhi sheep, Holly so its first first, I guess it makes sense and Polly is a very good competitor and he's very driven and determined and he communicates really well this Partners we saw him do this with Natalie. He was a great partner that with Natalie but I almost don't know if I'd go with him first what guy would you have chosen the first like bananas or CTI? Obviously if I'm a girl I'm picking Wes, that's but that's me as I'm looking at right and stop you'd like him but lying around. That's the best wine. I got the first pick right? And if I'm looking at all the guys West didn't Wes I'm I don't I don't care West strategically is going to keep me on this get. Oh you want look I do not watch spoilers. I literally have no idea who wins this Wes is going far and I'm choosing him over bananas. And I know ashes who hates you can't choose a she. Yes. She can only choose a veteran. So yeah, who else who do you want to pick that make sense - the winner of the competition if you're not familiar with Who did you want a leaders? I don't have any I'm with her picking up Ali just so that you have someone else. I like what I'm fine with Polly. If you're not familiar, you're going to pick the winner. It's easy and he I like that because he wanted her to so I'm glad it worked out there pick and we also don't know maybe they taught. You know, everyone was talking there's so much behind the scenes. They're talking maybe they plans. I think a lot of these quote-unquote job interviews that we saw ended up being exactly what people want. And yeah, so we'll actually see chooses Cam and this is going to be a crazy You do. Well, I think that they're really gonna like destroy and Conquer I agree longest Ashley see the only thing I'm a little skeptical about him is his communication. I mean, we just saw him like freaked out after he finished second in the puzzle, which a lot of people come on a little bit too heavy in the beginning. Like I remember Hunter when he first started was like the shit and like pounding his chest thought he was we're judging or judging bear were judging Ash. We don't know but you know in threes three episodes in I might love both of them. I don't know what to think of them right now. Like I just don't know but my only Boys, I hope he doesn't become a dominant in the communication side of the partnership. Okay, so I'm looking at Jenna's research. Thank you. And I wanted to see Ashley sees background. So he was on Ex on the Beach UK. So we got that and he's also a British soccer player. So I mean we he's got athlete's I don't know about a social game but he's got athleticism as well straight trunk thighs man. Am I don't lie. He has thick with one. He sees time start again. Rosanna times before guys, I got you. I think I got you guys now on the guys there. It is Morgan picks banana good choice. I mean as long as he's a good partner to her because ya know that he has his flaws but it's a solid Choice. Yeah. Are you not going to pick bananas bear picks Davon and this is so cute. I love me. So I don't know they just seem like so hyped up and they're hugging each other and they seem like you're gonna have so much fun together. Well, she wanted to chat flashback. She was saying there's the UK connection and the Big Brother connection he was Big Brother UK and Gordie sure, so he's got some cheese on everything going. She's what she wanted. So Dave on congratulations. Yeah, Georgia pics Hunter and I'm still happy for Hunter because I feel like he has a good female partner. So it is actually going to have his back to what happened to him. And I this is my prediction and no one other predictions. Yeah. I don't know if we're gonna get to it. It's fine. Go ahead. I think that they're gonna fall in love. So I like I believe in the previews we see them make out. Yes. Oh, Spoiler if it's on TV guys. I'm not going on Reddit. I'm not going on YouTube stuff. I'm just on TV and TV shows you the stuff for a reason. Okay - makes out with she's a he in the pool. They showed it. It's very it's a very hot seen bodies. I'm in I like that couple to shoot. That's all shown to us guys. There's no spoilers here just shows what I like. Hey Josh freaks out of the whole house multiple times, okay. I think that Georgia and Hunter are going to be a good couple and I hope that that actually way to I think they adorable and I hope that she is and I love hunters and I love I love Hunter before he got screwed over at the end of last season to mind you so I'm just a hunter. Thank you. I'd like my bandwagon Hunter Hunter Hunter prediction Corner Wesson Hunter are going to team up beat Alliance and that is a prediction and then Theo cheeses like it. The answers is Cara and car up does not seem happy about What why feels like a fog where? Oh, I did cause I don't that she didn't seem happy and I think they're going to be a great who is car going to be happy with beside we switch out your being with Pauly. Like I'm telling you right now car didn't want to be with anybody besides Polly even though she obviously can't be great call. I think you just because no one really knows what's up with you yet? And the only the sole thing that he's done the house is a piss off Ashley, which is never a good way to enter the house. I think he's gonna be athletic but he's obviously like he's kind of a beanpole compared to other dudes. He's going to get smashed. The reason I actually Love Theo and the only reason is not even probably what we saw tonight car. I did an Instagram live from The Challenge account earlier. There's on today all day like she had every single person. She was jumping on with you. It was brought in. He was funny. He was so lovable. He was very comical and they seem like they have a genuine love for each other. So I think that that's going to pan out pretty well and it looks like they communicate well because they're best friends now still I love Theo I think he's like an Olympian. He's to me. He's like the He's like the I don't know. He's a great guy. That's all good. Well, I'm trying to think of who I would compare him to from the Shams Bowl star. Same both the track stars. Well, right trucks are that's the only one he's great. I think he's great and he was funny. He stood out. I think she's lucky to have him purse. I agree turbo. Oh God top top three favorite from tonight. The reason I love the turbos the best strategy of picking his partner. He just wanted to pick the woman. That he wanted to protect the most and make the most proud. He's like, I love woman. I want to make Nani happy and I'm like, yes, that's what I was trying to think about funny. I feel like he's got that sharp wit a good competitors. It's a fighter. Great partnership D. And West are going to be a great partnership JP and Natalie Maddie and Kyle hell is JP they make them real cry all he barely got in this but if you say seeing people's reactions, he's the one that everybody's like. Oh that's kind of funny him and now they're together because now he's almost like wow, it's really these Partnerships. I feel like are perfect and Kyle and Maddie are the two Partiers and I think no one really. We is that much better than the next partnership like they're all bringing something different whether to just be their social paper cited or they are lettuces. Mm. I feel like all these Partnerships are going to be so good. The one kind of like random one is Maddie and Kyle. Yeah, so not random because she's party down with yeah. She's party girl and he's like another little pirate Kyle. So I feel like they work as friends, but who knows how far they're going to get in the game? Yeah. I don't know. I like that team though. Not as I'm not the think they'll go for. I think it'd be fun. Together I love that Zach was the last pick and I love that. He gets a Zahida. She doesn't seem like the cream of the crop. No offense or I maybe she'll prove us wrong, but she doesn't seem like she's just from She's literally from to data shows. She's from your food from well, she's from Ex on the Beach but then she's from Geordie Shore, which is what Kyle's front right? Like well, she has a good temperament, which is good. But kind of just like hehe, I'm here. I'm on the challenge. So did you finish the puzzle was like, I think I got it. Yes, Zach take that I definitely think that the the prospects that show like the bottom sort of five of the prospects are going to have the least chance of are the only dead weight. I can sort of see at this point. Right? Like all of the challengers are champions. We know the all the Vets are pretty much Champions. It looks like Shailene was never on a real accomplishes a dating show person. So that's not great. Leroy Chase is only a dating show person. I guess I can see that I can see we were having a weak team there because that he's a party party down the shore girl that's going to be rough for Kyle because I think Kyle does sort of ride the partner. 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What up? What up? Welcome to another fabulous episode of mommy group today on the show. We discussed Megan Markle breaking tradition done. And how much of that is honoring tradition versus just trying to live her own life. Yeah and us and that that sort of dynamic in our own lives are also talking about cultural appropriation. First is appreciation Kim K Kim K. Yeah. It's a snow is causing controversy. Yeah. It's aReally? It's a really interesting topic and we hope to kind of continue the conversations will be this is one that can continue off the pot as well. We're going to talk about the issue with borrowing and lending money. Kathie Lee came out talking about Kris Jenner owing her a little bit of cashish and it got us talking about our own situation. And lastly we're going to talk about the sloppy speech habits that are actually getting in the in the way of you getting what you want little tiny changes that you can make that will Empower you. You so I think it's really good that you might like it. Let us know what it's like no big deal if you don't like it. It's not a problem. Okay, love you. So Megan Marshall and Lily the details around her whole pregnancy have caused a ton of controversy even just her having her baby shower in New York. People have been freaking out her birth plan, you know deviating from tradition. It's cause just so much conversation. But really I think it brings up the topic of being yourself and kind of choosing your own life and honoring tradition. Are you really trying to make a statement or are you like how much of tradition is important to honor? Yeah, and how much is and this is all stemming by the way from the idea of Megan, you know in her last weeks of pregnancy not wanting to take a photo outside of the traditional like, you know, you go out and deciding where she wants to have the baby. Right? Right. Does she have it? It's gonna be private, but I think this is everything else which is The royal family more public exactly because I think that with Kate they followed tradition like to the letter. Yeah, so whatever announcements they were supposed to share she's going into labor. She's on her way to the hospital now, they tweeted that through the like cousin Kensington Royal official Twitter account. Like they did all the things already did all the things Megan. I think there definitely is a statement you're doing things differently and I think she does it with purpose like she came into the royal family with a purpose. I feel you know with even her mom being the in her role in the wedding and Who what she stands for all the feminism stuff and everything? I think it's definitely a point to me. It's that look when Kate Kate comes out on the steps after each birth and she is perfect in a suit for hours after you and you're there with the baby and kind of you know, it's a little misleading. You're like, oh damn, that's what you look like after baby cool. You know, whereas, I think she might be like, I want to just be my hospital bed. Yeah. I just wanted to be private with me. Yeah. It's been like I'm gonna do a personal shoot a week later or whatever it is. I think that's the thing that is interesting about it. Is that for any of us regardless? Of like, you know, not the princess but like we get married to someone with their own set of traditions. We are raised with our own set of traditions many of which we hold dear many of which we can't wait to break like everyone's different in that way. Is it possible to listen so lie to yourself and do things the way you want and at the same time honor Traditions that are going to be beautiful to pass down and say oh this was a tradition my mom. Did this on my grandmother did this like I don't even like is it possible for those two things I can exist in the same as yours. You have to pick and choose. Yeah, but I think it is. I mean II feel like I'm a living example of that like being Indian, we have so many more cultural Traditions, but I'm constantly trying to especially now as I've gotten older when I was younger. I don't think I appreciated them as much I just did them because I had to now as a mom. I feel like I'm totally instilling them in my own way with the kids but like for instance cooking right like food to make them a little bit more excited about it. Like we just don't even talk. It will just kind of go to Indian restaurants and now they love certain types of individual make it at home and we'll see them in Don't know that it's not something maybe their friends have every night or something like that or even like certain holidays that we celebrate here that are an Indian culture but like that we will mix it together and also comes down to Traditions that are that means something like someone's birth plan that has to do with their body and bringing life into the world with their new family. I don't know how much of that can really be a tradition like getting them christened later and having a baptism or something. Yeah, but is that really true? Isshin having the same birth plan that your mother had or your it's a real murder in life. Well, and I think that like that even when you were talking about like being christened and stuff that was actually like such a hard thing when we had Connor because so I was raised Jewish and Mike was raised Catholic and when Connor was born I wanted Mike wanted to have him christened and I didn't really feel strongly about a bris, but I know that my dad did and that's a really important tradition. It's the circumcision is done by mohel, which is a By who's trained specifically to do a circumcision. So, you know, it's not like some random dude doing it. It's you know, it's very safe. They're trained for that purpose solely, but it's like a covenant with God and it's this whole thing and I'm not really religious at all. I don't I've never been someone who relates to organized religion. I am spiritual. I believe that there is something but I don't believe in the stories. I think their stories right? It's never been something that I've related to and so when Mike Mike was like well we can't have him christened and have a bris. Yes, and Mike felt that way because he's like they're both covenants with God like kind of slightly opposing one another would you say that you know me would do something both. I thought we would do both but but that's because I the sounds awful strong and I don't believe in what I think it stands for in that way. So I'm just like great. Let's do it. Like my dad will be happy. Mike will be happy and when Mike was like well we can't do that. We can do whatever we want. Like there's no rules where the parents we can do whatever we want and ultimately we didn't have a breast it was really difficult. I told my dad that we weren't having a brisket was really heartbroken. We ended up giving Connor my dad's name as his middle name because I was like to me I felt like maybe this is the way that we can more intensely carry on tradition because his name's Hime. It's makes no sense with Connor Murphy because we're always going to say what is that? You're going to explain? Well, my grandfather's Israeli and you know and whatever maybe it'll be a stronger thing and afterwards Mike. Very sweetly apologized because he was after like a couple years after he got it because he was like, well, he was just like it didn't actually matter we could have done both. There's no it doesn't negate one. They're both with the same purpose really nice. They're both in the same intention like it's so it didn't actually matter that bother you like would that do that and give it bothered me a little bit because I felt like naturally because he's more religious than I am. We default to hit right because it's like what I'm just putting up a fight just to put up a fight, but just You don't get it. If I don't really care I shouldn't stand in the way but I do want both sides to be shown. I want the traditions of both crimes are and so I'm lucky that right now. We live in California and so my parents are here and so my mom will have Passover dinner and we'll have Hanukkah and we'll do Rosh Hashanah and we'll do those things because my parents are here where when we lived in New York. I didn't do them on my own. Yeah. So it's like I feel like a fraud a little bit if I'm then going to be like well no Judaism. Yeah, I don't practice we do the holidays together. I feel that in my blood because My family's Israeli and I identified in that culture of that part of me, but it's interesting those Traditions. There are certain things that are and the role that your parents play when you become a parent how powerful that is because it's like even if you want to start your own Traditions if they do negate the Traditions that you had as a child or I don't know. It's interesting because everyone's learning right your parents have always been parents and all of a sudden they become grandparents and then it's like, okay where did the band right boundaries start and end, please and what is their role? And I think that's what's beautiful about it is like mixing the two and I have so many mixed cultures in my family to you know of religions and traditions and I think it's I think it's awesome like the making of new ones which is interesting. I mean with the royal family as a whole different scenario because it's the Royal damn family and they're probably very staunch about how things are done. But I also poor Megan like she grew up totally differently. So this might not even be in her like who cares right? She's probably like, I don't want like why does taking a picture have to be a tradition and why does it have to be right then and there or why can't we just say I give props to I feel like for the royal family for being as flexible as it seems like they have been totally because I thought that it would be like listen Megan you might have all sorts of ideas of what they're going to do. But once you get in there, that's not all going to have any chocolate a to she's already made but she's already pushed a lot of things that have never been done before from the get-go. So I think like a lot of that is the onus or the credit should be given to her, but I think a lot of credit should also be given to a Whirring future thinking my family. Does this progress? Does this like promote change in a good way or does it also like demott? Is it the demise of like family relations to because that's the one thing I always think about like when you do try and push boundaries of people when they decided to move out and get their own Cottage. Yeah. Yeah, which I think it's easier said than done right? Because then you do like I asked that about the resentments of because those are things that like, obviously I think you were right so rational about the way you thought about you can't Pick and choose when you want to be super like, you know, okay, I'm religious or not, but that could be something that eventually maybe and Lana and what traditions are worth doing just to appease other people and to keep the peace. It's funny because before my sister had babies like 10 plus years before me she's my little sister and she had them both natural one at the hospital one and a birth center. And yeah, and before I met my husband I kind of was just like, I don't know I'll just do whatever like I could totally see. At that point in my life just booking a C-section. I love the fact that it's a controlled environment. You choose the date totally safe and it's a cool choice that we have and then what's interesting is I said something to my sister before again. I met my husband and stuff and she was like really would do that. And so she kind of just started telling me all the options not just hers, but just all options like, oh you can have a hospital birth and you know, you have an epidural you don't have to just like book a surgery. But anyhow, I don't know how much of her I mean I definitely I think her experience and It ultimately helped me choose why I had a natural birth, but I also have two best friends that had awesome experiences having natural birth center. So that's what I chose. So it's almost like I followed this tradition of natural with my sister and she definitely like, I don't know, but ultimately I made that decision for myself. So I guess when I keep thinking about birth plan and tradition, yeah, I don't know birth plan is something that's so she's addition oriented well because they're saying she might have the baby at home. Oh, yeah, I mean, I think it's a more so like culture. I mean, you know, yeah, but there's all these things came out that and this is probably this my are obviously after well after Megan has decided what she's going to do and what not. And so but I think it's just it brings up the whole idea of the tradition you're veering from tradition. Yeah, trying to pave Your Own Way create new things with your family, but also honor things that are a through line to your ancestry to your grandparents, you know, not like epic ancient ancestry, but just The generations right before you and some of those three lines there so special but if they don't relate to you, yeah, they don't feel like you then like I'm you want to continue that good big one no to would it be traditional like circumcisions? It's not in all cultures, right? Not all cultures exactly. So like when two people that are coming from different backgrounds come together. That's a hard one exactly you decide, you know, exactly by the way when we were thinking of our celebrity name my husband and I I'm Brandy, he's Chris you guys are selling one celebrity. Yeah. Like we're playing our hashtags and like who we are Chris someone brought a brush and my husband didn't know what that was. I immediately was like they knew you're like they were joking. Yeah. Oh my God. This is all about did you guys see that picture of Kim Kardashian at Sunday's? What is it Sunday Church Sunday service that Kanye has going on and she was you post this picture of herself and she's in these beautiful field and she's wearing like Indian traditional Indian. Jewellery. Yeah, it's just it looks gorgeous gorgeous Tikka, which is like basically an ornament. It's kind of like a little saying Jewel. It looks like the necklace almost like you put on your forehead and it's you know traditionally if you like look up the proper way of wearing it. It's a like anything. Thing I think historically it's a rite of passage for Womanhood and a lot of women especially Hindu women wear it during their weddings. So that's what that kind of yeah, you know symbolize but nowadays. I mean, I wear them people I don't get to Coachella. I mean another thing and I remember I did something for BuzzFeed and I was recreating an Indian look and I got so much backlash on it because people didn't think I was Indian and I was like I am in this is my jewelry. Like I can wear it how I like I wore to my wedding, but I think the bigger thing is this whole idea. Our culture appropriation versus appreciation and to me it's like brings up this whole topic of weight. We talked about inclusivity, right and we want to add all these education and appreciation for different cultures yet. We try and do something and all of a sudden we divide it. Yeah, we can do it. You can't write you know only we can do it. So is the idea we want you to appreciate who we are but from afar and don't actually touch our stuff or don't actually cook our food or don't do certain things. I can't it doesn't make sense to me. Especially as an Indian woman was watching that if she were doing something inappropriate. Yeah, and you know, like the grading it in some way if you see if I were a Muslim woman and she was wearing a hijab and posing for Playboy. Right? I would have to be a problem with that. I would be offended. I mean it code Ali, you know, I think that's offensive this to me. She's I don't um, I remember everyone gave her a lot of flak to when she put corn rows in her hair. Oh that brings up the like that is only for African American Prosperity. Also is married to black. She has a child. Yeah mixed babies. It makes sense. How is she going to understand that culture? If she doesn't immerse herself in it and like her daughter to learn how to do her hair like these are real things that like, I'm sorry. When does it become, you know anything to me that much that's the biggest question mark that I have about it and I've yet to talk to anyone who can explain it to me in a way where I'm like, okay got it. I get it. I do understand when you talk about using it for financial gain, like I get that like that's a fact that's not OK thing. I understand the idea of cultural appropriation being an issue when you are taking someone else's culture and using it for financial gain, you create like a collection, I guess like I don't know if I get that I don't agree but I get that idea of it. What I don't understand is when people are doing it for their own style their own enjoyment their own what they think is beautiful because what I the reason that it's the big thing that always sort of sticks in my mind is we as a country are Of so many diverse cultures we are. A Melting Pot and so we are the United States does not have one cultural identity. Its a mix of all those identities. So as you are born and raised as an American, I feel like all of those cultural identities are part of me as well because I grew up with them. I see them. They're American. I know what they are like, so to me, I think it's this great thing that I also have a right to where I also have a right to to celebrate that I write like you said to appreciate it goes a I think it goes really deep though a little bit. People because when I like I'm on social media and I have I get into healthy conversations with people about this, I think it's also that interesting way. He'll think her hair extensions is that like these people also came right and they weren't immediately accepted then so why all of a sudden now, is it? Okay if you're doing it for instance threading threading wasn't bit. Like if people were to look at that 20 years ago, but why are you doing that to your face? Don't grow your hair and like you'd be kind of scoffed at for doing it now. It's like obey me $25 you can do. Ooh it and it's the best way because Kim Kardashian does it to or whoever does it? Right and it's almost like huh? How come when I was because things take time it does to people that that originated with that and came with that in there. Like this was mine. This is something I my people started or that they have this ownership or onus around it that makes them feel like I wasn't accepted then it wasn't accepted then why is all of a sudden now, I guess that's why I was running that resentment and getting that's my question then would you prefer I know. Just stay that way then no more ideal than that. We that it's no longer accepted and you are that they're okay. So it's all yours. Well I call you like you and same problem for money for instance had a test. I don't know that my henna tattoos Hannah Hannah is something that really so you so is another rite of passage if you are I hope you guys can hear your heart this our trash man mom life, you know, you do that for special occasions in India, right and even Pakistan and other Arab countries and go to a carnival and have done and Yeah, exactly. And now you see henna tattoos all over Amazon and you see these big retailers profiting off of it to me. I think it's great. Like it's your learning more about it somebody that where I have pride in it when I see someone wearing it. I think it's like they love my culture when I was younger. That's how I would and I would go to school with it on from a wedding that I had. I would be so embarrassed because people that why do you have tattoos all over your hands and I'm like, I don't it's like paint that I can't take off because I was at a family wedding. Yeah. I remember trying to wash it off totally and now I'm like Gosh, if Mila goes to school with it so much. Isn't that what we want we want that change you on vacation. I see this a lot in the food space to where you know Middle America white Chef, you know specializes in Mexican food and people are like, okay what gives you the right to know Mexican flavors and all this other nonsense and I think it's we have this conversation the other day my husband and I because so many of these chefs one are good at it. But to a lot of time they've immerse themselves in that culture and they have a right because they Have gotten to know those ingredients they have passion for every kind of against the even if they haven't even if they haven't spent some time in the South to know how to make collard greens or been to Thailand if that's the food that they enjoy and again, we're a Melting Pot why shouldn't they have the freedom to express them? So I never thought about it like that like backlash of opening a restaurant. I would happens all the time. I just boggles my mind because isn't that what people do like you travel the world to try new things? And so you bring that back with you bring back the things that you love and you're more personal style. Your tastes literally the food you like and the style you like a representative of the things that you enjoy the things that you find beautiful. I think it's such a bummer that you can be punished for finding Beauty in something and another cause you're not being derogatory or inappropriate. So like actually crazy. Sorry dress. I should be offended because it's a don't write like I mean like so do you I don't know that you were to you we talked about talking about the caftan, you know, like yeah, I made I worked on I work on a show called home and family and I made a caftan on the show. It was like a beach cover-up and to me I thought that's the that's automatically the word we're going to use because that's like if you Google it like this is what I'm making. This is the style of it. It's really simple kind of so you just a kimono which I already talking about a geisha. Where's no I also the talking about what you're wearing actually. Hey and that's exactly like even that I did a kimono. I did look a no so sequin kimono on my YouTube channel and there was only a handful but a couple of people said something like it's not really a kimono traditional. Kimono. Is that a tada? You're actually making is this and it wasn't so I almost wanted to be like I this is a YouTube channel. I want if someone wants to make what in your mind instantly Pops in your mind as a kimono. I want my video to pop up. So whatever random word you just gave me I've never heard before which means you know when searching it so like why do I have to avoid before you watch this video? I don't mean an actual come on you can see it's not there's it and you know, it's sequins. It's obviously not Not a traditional kimono and with the captain it was all different people and that was what was interesting is there was a lot of people being like this is, you know, traditional Moroccan Garb. This is traditional if you look it up which I then did because there were so many crazy comments about it. There's like 12 different cultures that claim ownership of it. So there's like the Russian Empire. There's Moroccans there's Middle Eastern there's all these different cultures claim ownership over this one thing and it just it becomes This it just becomes I feel like it's an outrage culture people. Just want to get mad and instead of looking at is this really a big deal is this offensive was being done with a degrading quality. Is this celebratory? Is this beautiful? Is there a reason why we're not just such a dichotomy of we want change we want I'm just not bad. But then we also want to I would love to hear from someone though who is really offended is really fun it and I mean and I would love to hear the perspective because I think it's important to understand the POV like why you are initially or even still it after reading something like why you are offended by that but I was I was watching red table talk and I can't remember her name right now, but we'll see Jada's mom. Oh, yeah, I was talking about one of the reasons that she gets frustrated with white girls sort of again. She called a cultural appropriating like black physicality and it's kind of what you were saying a minute ago, but was that like they were like teased isn't even right word like they were What's like the gnarliest word for teased like like yeah, like like as a young woman she and all of her friends and everyone that was black was ridiculed use the word ridiculed for parts of them that young white women are now paying doctors to create right big lips. God a big bus. Yeah the curves and that it's like something that ruined my life. We were yeah, so it's like I get I understand the deep root of it. But at the same point, I feel like then the only solution is you're saying then no one doing great. It doesn't let it go. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a that's a further conversation and I think we all kind of have the same stamps on it. Well speaking and well speaking of Let It Go, actually I wanted anything. No actually. Did you guys see the article of Kathie Lee she was in an interview I did so she she mentions that years ago. She lent money to one of her best friends Kris Jenner and she's never gotten Back and I read the article I was like at how much was it? Remember they never said ever disclose the amount but it just didn't seem like a big thing. Then Kris Jenner comes out is like, oh, I really wish you would have talked to me behind closed doors. I just think it was silly that she brought it up. It should have been something in private. How did we get what was her it wasn't an interview and she just kind of like said, I think she was just like, oh you've been besties with Kris Jenner forever, you know, she's doing awesome. I don't know and then she just mentioned trucks. All right. I'm so sorry. I don't even know if you guys can hear that but it is very tricky at me. I'm sorry. No, no so, um, like what do you guys think about that? Because I feel like this comes back to letting things go if you've already let them go but also it happens all the time we go to big dinners, right? Everyone does a split skis or you offer to buy something for someone because I don't have any money and then - yeah, when do you ask that crunch tax and I would never not I'm not Offer the money. Yeah, but there's sometimes you'll just forget right like to I guess but I feel like there are some people that just get away with yeah, not offering. Yes, like when you go out and everyone buys a round of drinks, there's always that one girl that never never crosses her mind to buy around. She never evens it up. You're always buying three everyone's that yeah, you have that and then you have the other at degree where it's like, you know, you have that one person has no shame and it's like, okay so you did not have I did not have the wine and yeah, but you're gonna owe 1251 and everyone else. Oh that is really annoying when you're pregnant and you go out for big dinners and everyone driver tells me that says you don't have to pay because you're pregnant. I will still pay because I feel like when you are in a group setting the saw something experience exactly hang for the ambience and the fact that you are there with that group of people that you're paying for and that's gorgeous green cash like so I'm not a big drinker even when I'm not pregnant, but sometimes when you do the math and everyone gets appetizers and stuff it honestly is a couple bucks. I don't know. It's not a big deal, but some I mean to put it on Got some beautiful have to yeah, I feel like it's your responsibility to either put money down or just pay by. Okay. So just let's say you're out and you owe someone someone owes you 200 bucks and it's been a little bit of time that's passed. Like, how do you approach a do you ask for it? You just send the venmo request. That's what I've had that happen to me. And I and you know, I honestly forgot about that. I owed it and I was like, duh and I paid it right away and I felt almost embarrassed. So I text I was like, oh my God, I am so sorry, but I thought it was funny that it was a venmo requires because I'm like, oh you could have just told me. Me and it was like a week after you know, I'm I have you're so right about sometimes when you are always treating the person you're like, hey, when are thinking I know like this works? Well, because we're all even like it's fun to treat because we're all even but don't keep letting me pay for you or pay me back or ven or like something like don't make me be the one that has to say it because I think that's the thing is I don't like I have a friend who owes me $400 and I Don't feel comfortable asking for it because of the circumstances and so I just sort of Let It Go, but it's like you want to say I shouldn't have it shouldn't be on me like just do the right thing like pay it. So now because that responsibility on our part though in this sense like it for not so no to follow up and say yeah, but should you but I don't it's too uncomfortable because it's like do I but a hundred oven is don't want that minor dollars. That's a big table for two. Is a lot of money but I don't think you said you're like I won't spend that much money on myself. Never never I don't never said that but this this actually leads to a whole different idea about I feel like in women in general like if this were our husbands, maybe they'd be like, oh that's cool. Bro. Like you can get me next time or four hundred dollars here there whatever but like, you know, I don't know whatever they're doing, but I feel like women in general we have this mentality of like, oh, no, I don't want to touch. I don't want to step on your toes. I don't want ya Broach that topic as I'm just worried. It's gonna Be really uncomfortable. So I'm just gonna let it go. I think women want to be liked more than men wanna be like, we also don't like to have unnecessary conflict, right? Yeah and to create a thing but there isn't worth it. Yeah, you know that purse before hundred. It's not 50 bucks. It's $400. I feel like that's a little bit of a nice. I feel like it already has created like a little like will also energy think the time that has passed though. Also, it's kind. You know the more time that passes it's like two years later it be a Kathie Lee situation where you're like, why don't you just say and yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like I want to know what the amount is because I feel like Kathy Lee said it very nonchalantly almost joking. Yeah like yeah girl. I lent you money for every we met again in and then when Chris responded it seems like oh shoot like something's going on. Yeah, because because Chris said Chris is ready to talk to Kathy Lee and rectify anything and any outstanding issues on loaned money that they have with each other, but when Chris contacts Kathie Lee she wants it to be away from the public and wants to have a private discussion and not given any more attention than it already has. Well if you get is more challenging but it probably wasn't stanshall about it had to have been like a couple like - he's got to be like, I mean, you think more know she's talking to us back in the day. I think she's taking it seriously. So I feel like it has to come out, you know, otherwise, I'm sure she'd like well, this is significant mouth and that's the Layman Kris Jenner's part for not paying bats embarrass your in this situation. I feel Chris looks really bad because she's so ready. Yeah, so there should be no conversation. Yes, you love you shouldn't have every indication. He was interviewed. She should have been laughing at Kathy's. Hello hoot like yeah, right, you know that was a if she owes her money, right like she owes him money. This woman is filthy fucking Rich. There is no excuse for her not to pay. It's not like listen. I just wanna interview talking about but he's the one that's giving but maybe she just like the Kardashians. I think this is interesting though because this whole idea of you know, should I should I let it go. Should I follow up should I shy like those ornaments like when you go on vacation with friends? And you know everyone's like you don't want to see ya folks that are in B you got to be considerate. So it's kind of like you hope that everyone in the room has enough self-awareness to sort of clock where everyone's at without it being up and I think a true up is always the best way so like on a trip or anything you're doing it's like whoever's gonna be in charge in that if that means you're spending the most money invoice sends the breakdown go to Google Docs do and be like, here's the true up. Everyone was me this just take the extra hour do the math and just be like and so you can then mowing me here and I don't think at that point if You sent the true up and everybody can see in black and white how much you owe. It's like the venmo request keep on sinning. So you get them. We went to Iceland for Amanda's bachelorette party. Yes, 17 girls went to Iceland together. That's a for that it was absolutely incredible. But like the air B&B was, you know, one person booked it and then said this is what it's going to be for all of the events that are like does everyone want to do it? It's going to be this much per person like the horseback riding through this the glacier hike the everything and when we got there one person Would just pay it so there weren't 17 of us checking out one person would pay the bills and then in the car ride on the way back everyone would venmo her and just pay it. So it was like but everyone has to be on the same page. Everyone has to when you get to a certain age like this is something that I'm experiencing a lot to which again is I feel like it's one of those things where you keeping up with the Joneses like everyone's having for instance like 44 40th birthdays. Yeah, and the my God. Yes on you know, they're all this nation mean and their hosted now. I mean we pay for airfare but like when we get There it's hosted our friend stop will so that's what I'm wondering. I'm like no when I heard we did like a no hide trip with my furniture and 40 and the same thing. I loved it. Like I kind of was that person that book certain things and just told people how much it was if you want to do the bike riders went to the winery. It was great. I also think it's what you're saying, right? Everyone has to be on the same page. Yes, there's always one or two. Oh, we're hate after the fact. They're like, oh I didn't want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Do it up front. I also think it's really nice. Like we just like the conversation like I think it's really nice when people are cognizant and aware of other people's situations. Right? Like if you're a single parent if you're not married and you're pregnant and you're not going to go that you write for the winery, but you don't want to do the tasting don't throw a host a party. That's somewhere crazy that the person can't even afford the airfare or like, you know, and I think even talking about like pregnancy like it should we should be self aware enough to know that you're not drinking and if we're buying $80 bottles. Of wine it should be on one of us to say no. No, Brandi doesn't need you shouldn't have to say that for yourself because that makes you look cheap. Yeah, you shouldn't have to but we should know and look out for you because someone should do that for my agree. Those are the things when you're like when you're with certain people who just don't have a certain level of self-awareness your gut you get put in the position where you've got to be the cheap one and you're like, I'm not cheap, but I'm trying to be fair to everybody. Yeah, and it's not like dollars and cents in your 72 29 and your 8530 like nobody. Yeah, but like be aware happens when I'm not pregnant, so I'm a foodie. I am like kind of picky. So a lot of times people want to order certain things and I'm just like I don't want to order that like don't mind me. I'm going to order my own appetizer and I don't know if I look like a dick. I don't know what it is. But but usually the money even as a devout anyways or people will say oh Brandi, you didn't get the Tartar and also other yeah, yummy a my God, but I will say it up front just saying like I'm happy to you know, pay for this in this and I won't say but I mean like I'm happy to do this. This but I'm not really feeling those and then at the end. Yeah, usually people chime in there like, oh cool it you know it all evens out or ya know you didn't order this. Yeah. Basically, I think everyone needs to be aware of the lookout forget look out for each other and if you you know, if you do have a balance with a friend just check up on that. I don't know if I'm gonna check up on it everyone listening to that. Well, then we'll balance. I'm yeah I so I want to talk about this next one because I read this the other night in bed, and I was like Damn it. I do that so the title was for sloppy speech habits that undermine your influence and I did was not geared towards women, but I think that a lot of women do this and a couple of the things that it had was saying so when you begin speaking so you're saying so here's an overview. So this is something I wanted to talk about. So I was thinking yeah and it sort of is prefaced seeing your point with a little bit of a buffer to prepare them when you don't need to do that. Another one was was This one I don't really do but this was just using filler words, like, you know, kind of I don't really do that, but that is just makes you seem unintelligent. It makes you think you don't know what you're saying. You're unclear this I do though. It says you say I think as a qualifier, oh my gosh. I had a boss. That was like never say I think yeah is now you're saying it's opinion and it's open for interpreter. I do. I think that's such a like like you said in the article was geared towards women, but for instance I say, I'm sorry. Re all the time and I catch myself. I know I'm sorry has been brought up in the past. Yes publicly a lot. And so I'm better about it now, but like I feel like it makes me feel better about someone else's uncomfortable situation or whatever it is. But like I'm so sorry, you know, why am I sorry why the hell am I sorry? Okay. There's this book that I read nice girls. Don't get the corner office. And that is one of the main things that I love that title. Yeah read that that makes so much so fast so sometimes if there is something like an apology is warranted. I apologize, you know. Accountability. Yeah, I never say sorry. You will never find an email that says I'm sorry. I don't say sorry ever. I'm very forgiving but yeah, naughty fortunate such a bad habit and even my husband will tease me because sometimes when I'm asking for permission or or just stating what will happen, I'll end my email with thanks for your understanding like preemptive. I'm just assuming that yeah, this is happening. This is my opinion. This is what needs to happen. I do that now though when I go through emails see when you're writing out way easier and writing and I go through email. Has now and I remove all of that stuff because another thing that I have found that I've done is I give people an out. Yes, so I'll do the like, yeah, I would love if we could yada yada yada, but if it's like just inconvenient right now, I totally understand like I tried to be like I'm understanding it's not going to hurt my feelings. If you can't do it and I try to give them me out when sometimes if you give people the out they'll take yeah, and if you don't it might make them a couple of they might do the thing that you need a hundred move it you might get that meeting. You couldn't get you might that your friend might. The intro that they don't really want to make but they'll do it for you. Whereas if you're like, listen, you just put you in an awkward position. I totally get it on and you back talk your way. Like don't ask the favor just add just a skit don't ask it and then back peddle it just ask it and so I've really learned that a lot especially the even going back and forth with videographers. I'm just why am I giving yeah, just I need you to do this. Yeah. I think this is partly wrong when you're asking me how people are going to feel right or you're telling them how they should feel. Yes. So the other day I was talking to a friend who's thing about buying a house. And I own I was talking to my husband and I said I know it can be overwhelming and he's like but why does it need to go over them? Like it's exciting chapter. They're getting pre-approved. I'm like you're so right like why am I even putting that energy out there or just stating like a feeling they could be feeling when they don't need a physical women do we in we take it all in but I mean another thing I'll do is like if I ask for a favor like you're saying this is something I've had a hard time with but in the last couple years, I've been much better at I can ask for a favor without trying to give one in return. Yes. That is something I've done forever like Might help me with this and I feel like I have such a large Network as I'm sure we all do and I'll introduce people to other people and I'll make those things happen makes me feel so good and fulfilled and then I'm like, but when it comes to me asking for myself, I feel very shy and timid about it and then if I do I'm like and oh my God, I have so much makeup. I can give you some when you come. It's like why do I feel like if someone wants something they can ask for it as because I think there's a tone. There's a way that some people speak that does. Rub you the wrong way. It's void of any War but they still get it. They see what they want. There is a way to have warmth and no filler. Yeah, right like that is I can't I can still State very clearly what I want to happen without undermining it with these words with the sews and I think sand whatever but still be warm and get you to want to do that thing for me. There are some people who when they speak they instantly they irk you and you're just like what yeah, you know like and there. Is it's a thing and so it's like there's a finesse in the way that you speak but it doesn't need to be padding with I do think a good place to start is by email. You're right like cut out all the filler words and then hopefully that can translate into speaking because speaking obviously the security of feeling like the filler words help get your point across in a nicer way in a warmer way, but I agree a hundred percent that book that you just mentioned as that because all my female friends, I always think about term like do you have to be a bitch in order to you know, get what? You will get what you want. And I realize it's not a bitch. It's not even just being surrounded in giraffe. It's direct and being confident in knowing what you want. And yeah, sometimes it's following up excessively until that other person says final meet you for the damn coffee or I'll put the email in it's like thank you. Yeah, and I have to say thank you and hopefully if that ever happens because it's happen to be on the other end around like damn and I finally do it but down the line, it's Rich its return that's one of the things I've learned a lot from people that I who are in positions. Of power who are have been incredibly helpful to me over the years and one of the things is like when you're writing an email to someone and you don't have a personal relationship with them and you're asking for a favor get to it get to the point. You don't need High. I hope you've been well blah blah blah blah get to it today. I had an idea for something that I really want to do and I had a meeting yesterday about it was a little bit of a deflating meeting because I was really excited. I thought this guy was going to be able to help me like bring it across the Finish Line. He really just had more questions for me. There wasn't really any advice. It was more like I don't really know how to do this this this and this I got up super early this morning. I think I came up with a solution for it and it involved another company. I went down the Instagram Rabbit Hole. I found the founder of the company IDM the founder of this morning three sentences not even high. I had a meeting with a production company about this about your company. I would like to pitch it to you directly including my agent and my lawyer. When are you free to speak and she wrote back in? 20 minutes. Wow, my mind exploded. I called my lawyer and like now what do I say to her? I'm like, oh my God, I was like, but it could have been like hey, I'm all I show you don't know me, but that yeah and she would instantly be like Barclay 10 years. No, but you know what? I will tell you something else too. Like my husband gets asked this a lot and people will sometimes find me on DME like OE messaged about this or this and I think the interesting thing that I took away best piece of advice I got to was just because someone's not in power in a position of power is not emailing you back does not mean that they're not reading your emails. Yes. Oh, it's great to check in every six months or whatever. You're doing it. I'm like, hey, just wanted to up also very easy for people of right asking for a favor what I have people that are like I want to take you to Coffee. I live in coming in Studio City. I like you're out of a jump on the phone for a second or some of their questions are so open-ended. It's like I need a specific. Yeah, right. That's a huge one. Don't move like hey how you got where you are? And how can I do that? Yeah. Oh my God. That's the biggest one. We're my mom will be like, hey, so, you know moshus daughter once had Question and they'll be like, I just really London Fashion any advice. I'm like what in the eff kind of question is that my exactly ask a specific question and if you are asking a favor of someone yes, make it convenient for them and make it clear for them get to the point fast. And sometimes you have to know I actually am offering something here. So don't always put yourself in the position where they're empowering or not that this is a hey I've got something I think could really help you. Are you free to me? Yeah, because sometimes that's exactly what it is. And at least you're Ting the tone right off the bat that we're equals. I'm not like I didn't really appreciate anything a man in a time to talk to me like you don't need that tone and come really have that voice down that annoying like that. Just moved to LA we give her a name. Yeah. What is do you have an alter ego named me my God. Okay. I have a blond wig and her name is Phyllis. No, because because her wig looks like Kate Plus 8. Oh my God. War in Vegas with like the most ug outfit and I was like, my name is fellas stop it. I think I was just, you know having fun. This is how I have fun are so many freaks are so many layers. I'm Brandi was such an onion peeling away from an allergic to that's the only thing I'm allergic to you are wrong. You don't and then went before Phyllis. I would always give my best friend's cell phone number. Oh you bitch it was so fun. That's so nice. All the time, but I was Nikki because I thought Nikki was such a like not even a zebra. Yeah, but you're naughty that's that's pretty good. But yeah, I think I don't all great piece of advice. I think that's really yeah speak direct Phyllis Phyllis and it's you it Phyllis. I like that. Alright really good. Well, let's get into some of our favorite products. Yes things that were loving. Okay. What are you guys loving right now? 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I don't even have a toaster because I just love doing everything on the stovetop and it's just what we do at my house, but people ask many people T, but couldn't roll my eyes any harder Morning for 45 minutes ago. Nice brown run can pick up my eggs from outside and outside pushing. We live that life. I want chicken Brandy. Um, hey Phyllis with her wig fucking Phyllis fucking Killers. I love it every time every time you say something that really annoys me. See you should anyway, I love it. I cook my steak. So my cast-iron skillet. I cook my breakfast sandwiches in there. So So fight you can find them anywhere get them and its really all you're going to need when you cook. Yeah, that's a good call. Mine's a mine's a little bit beauty-related always so summer is here. And so a lot of times we have that extra layer of heat and just everything puffiness when you wake up tired whatnot. So there are these amazing hydrogel sticks. There's a ton different brands have am one of my favorites is by pure beauty which is like Ulta and even Physicians Formula has like a drugstore version, but basically, It's like a soothing balm in lipstick form and you can carry it with you everywhere. But it also it soothes your under eyes. So let's say you don't have time to put my oranges. It's clear transparent. So imagine like you do not have time to put eye patches on or ice cubes or whatever. It is to cool your under eyes when you wake up, you could put slide this on and it's immediately evaporates but it helps tighten under eyes it soothes and this is a great little gift tag. And then it also works as a primer. So before you put on any eyeshadows are Shadows or even under eye concealer. It just helps kind of plump that area so it is good. So curious Idris stick. It's a hydrogel lifts toe. So pure beauty. That's P. You are pure beauty has one Physicians Formula also has one at the drugstore. I think like Rite Aid and the okay. This is so good because this is one of the things I would have no idea what to do. I'd like why am I spending ya know some right thing that looks like lipstick. It's great. And you know, I mean a lot of these things I do have a little bit of marketing ploys to the more. It's just this idea of like, It doing and also can work as a primer exact time reading about it. But what I like about it is that it's just almost like what ice does in that instantly you're getting that decrease of puffiness so relief from puffiness and also smoothness, so it's not that some of these ingredients are over time going to help you because some of them have vitamin C and caffeine in it, but really it's the instantaneous effect that we're looking for in the morning. If you have really tired eyes, this is going to help just brighten them. So I love feel like you should have your own little segment about beauty products that you don't that are underappreciated. I would love to it's almost time because this Is really one of those things where I'd be like, why do I need that? Maybe from now on in our little this little segment? I'll just always bring up a beauty product that I feel like if you guys I just finished our last episode I learned about Essence. It's like what exactly is that? It's optional. I'm now Beauty expert. So yeah, I'm debating between to what I'm going to do is actually something that I use a lot. I use it for DIYs when I'm making clothing that I think that it's a really great. It hack for people who don't know how to make anything because it can be a great solution. So I use a fabric glue called fabric. You can get it on Amazon. He had at Joanns Michaels anywhere. It's clear. The really good thing about it is that it goes on clear and it dries clear but it stays flexible and it's machine washable. So if you end up with like the little seam split open on the side of your shirt and you don't you can just put a little bit of fabric glue. It will seem it up. You're hot too lazy to yeah, cuz I think that like and it's okay with you wash it too. Yeah. It's okay when you wash it, I'd say if you Wash it like over and over and over. It's going to start to get any to like a touch it up a little bit but it's just a really good thing to have to like a quick fix because you can let a strap breaks. You can attach a new strap on you can do like little things like that that maybe before you get a chance to go to the tailor and bring things in this is for if you don't know how to sew or you don't know how to do these things yourself. It's a really great Quick Fix. It's the one that I've used the longest. So I just know that it really really works and use it for your rescue addressed. By the way today that I'm like hoping you can help me fix through. Yeah. Show me you literally have made me. Want to like look through all my stuff and be like, how do I remove? Maybe I want to do DIYs from Allah Almighty 21 month old daughter. I'm working on a denim jacket. We want her. She's 21 months and two days not quite to she's a little past year and a half. She don't smell smells like heaven. I hide my studio for all I do that all the time with Milo, you know fucking felt was so rude. I got a sniffer had a little I breathe into her mouth like we're practically kissing. I just like suck it. I don't blame you but I'm totally yeah, I was like, oh Emily needs a little denim jacket. So I got Patches. I'm doing all things either what video do it? That's an adorable. You totally inspired. Really fun for that too is you can get exactly work for that for patches. Normally they're going to be iron-on is else. Otherwise I got do have you they work with heat exactly. So they have a good they have a glue that wants you iron them then over washing a little bit the edges will come up. And so sometimes it's good to like have them talk to him, but I even bought some well mr. A welcome Depot and got some little I'm sanding paper so I can just politely add a little distressed. You know, what actually works really well for that too is a cheese grater like the cheeseburger that you have. Use the roughest side that's like the tiny little dots and you can use that as a to distress it as well. But another thing that's really fun for that. And I don't know if you don't use bleach but the bleach the Clorox bleach pen you can write with so you could like write her name on the back. I'll show you Blake's I did like other nicknames all over it and it just pulls out it becomes completely white and if you are nervous about your hand use license a pencil know just like use a pencil or a piece of chalk to write it first because like a guy and then right over it with the gel pen. It's like the claw. She'll penny to a job honey. Let it dry it your of the one that you've made for I will I well it's really cute. I did it on home and family when wait was that is such a came and I meant for Kristen's daughter will you know because if Millie has one now, Mommy needs one. So I'm gonna do my own. Yeah, they're super fun. The it works really great. And then you just wash it the gel will come off. It will just leave the white exactly where you wanted it and you're good to go if that's so cute. Yeah. All right guys, I think that's it. Thank you wouldn't wonder go. This is the only mommy group. I want to be a Part of this is a good mommy group. I hope that you guys think it's a good mommy group. If you do you guys have to screenshot this episode share it on your social media Facebook Instagram Snapchat if anyone still on there or just text it to a friend any of these episodes Myspace or Friendster Friendster or the link, you know, yeah, we really appreciate you guys listening and any feedback is always super welcome. 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Look the buzzes beginning let the buzz begin. What's up everybody? I do have to Say that TJ is actually a pilot not a flight attendant, but I guess you know, you can't people because you can't fly a plane while you're providing drinks and whatnot. And that would be that would be very dangerous way. TJ in his uniform got everybody sprung tonight, and we're going to talk all about it. Welcome in its AfterBuzz TV your after-show for the challenge War of the Worlds talking episode 13 tonight. We are Final Destination TJ. TJ look great in that cockpit. No, nothing. Oh, yeah. There it is. This is a great start to the episode today. It really is. Well, I want to start the episode by saying something to you. Can I say one thing? Yeah. Sure. Can I introduce you first can we start with that? If you don't know me already Jenna's gonna introduce we go ahead Dan has introduced his damn self just now but I write in my name is Jonah bussiere and to my left is Dan langran out tonight is David Christopher and Pamela gross, but they will or will or will not be back next. Weak who's to know, we never know you guys can come back. Whatever you want. Okay, you're not banned from the show by any means. So just come back. Please come back from this you guys we're gonna get into everything tonight. Damn. You want to say please speak now? Oh, I mean this has to get this has everything to do with the show. I wanted to say happy late birthday to you. You turn 21 again. Congratulations. Yeah, Forever 21, I sent you I sent you flowers. I sent you a small gift box where I sent you make up all got lost in the mail. You sent me makeup. Yeah a little backup. A little make up a little bit on your face. Clearly you've never used makeup before because you are so beautiful. So I was like, I'll give her a little bit weird and worse with every word that comes out overall thoughts Dan. Oh, thank you for asking Jenna. Let me get into that. Yes, let's get into her overall thoughts episode 13. The best part of this episode was within the first five minutes in the rest to me was kind of like, yeah, so that was my overall thought of the episode but you went from the chair challenge last week, which was absolutely awful. It's right to the hall bra. Is one of the best eliminations that they had I think it was a great episode. It was good. It was engaging challenge will talk about challenge after first having a little like is this really that crazy you guys are kind of like fabricating here. It kind of felt like a Six Flags ride or in an ultimate escape room for a minute, but you know still entertaining everybody sucks at puzzle still the same people always suck at puzzles, but we'll get more into it elimination was incredible those two. We had the two tall guys. Guys Kyle and Theo going against each other. Tell this Kyle well apparently didn't work out for him tonight. We'll get into it. But I love the episode overall, but I do think as far as talking like there's not too much to talk about and it's only the two of us tonight. So we're gonna have some fun. That's for sure with it. Yeah, shall we start from the beginning then that's a good place to start. I read books backwards myself, but yes, the Beginning Sounds good. All right, let's hop into the Killing Floor. We open up. And it's the drama the suspense the will he or won't he what's Paulie gonna do and so Wes opens up the situation and he says hey before I cast my vote to somebody want to volunteer and it just crickets. Yeah, and we get the zoom in the close-up on Polly's face. And then we get his confessional that he's swallowing his pride you see him thinking considering volunteering and going and he's like swallowing his whole face. He's like showing the side of his mouth like he's Contemplate he's thinking about it. I never for one second thought he was gonna volunteer. So how about I don't think anybody did I know you and I definitely did not know he wasn't going in its to end of this it to the end of the game, you know, so yeah blowing smoke he loves to play that character. He loves to say if I had that opportunity. Well one get my hands on Kyle because we know how badly he wants his hands and his main yes, everything's loves the pride and the head-to-head competition and he you know, he disappointed us tonight and if he really thinks that Kyle is that beat up? You know and he really wants to now, you know just go in there and why doesn't he do it then if he knows Kyle is that beat-up does he so he must take at? Oh he's covered in paint. His knee was busted off apparently, you know covered in paint his hair amazing hair never disappoint doesn't move it was perfect. We got to see his hair in a whole different light the symbol elimination, which might be my favorite part. He loses his helmet conspiracy quarter gets under one last time. If he's gonna go out, he's gonna go out with his hair and style. So that was it was straight and down all the way to his chin. It was fabulous it we lost a helmet. He lost a toe but he did not lose his hair tonight. His hair stayed locked in place and it looked fabulous another conspiracy corner. He got so much paint in his hair. He actually had to cut it. That's why he has short hair now does have short hair and I told you last see it has an interview and he has very short Devastation. This is not the news I needed right now. Those good show. He looks all right. He looks Fine. Oh, there's something else. I want to say. Oh, well you brought up the point. Why not go in against Kyle. This is what you want. This is what you've been saying. They really wanted that bad. Right exactly. This is what you've been saying you've wanted since episode one and you're still playing that storyline. You're still playing that part and then even when Kyle leaves tonight, he's like this is now still a bloodbath and I'll be back to ultimately win the war even though he won the battle why not go in when Kyle is at his most vulnerable and injured. Yeah, so let me pose a question. Okay. Of Polly had volunteered like Katniss Everdeen. How would have tonight's he's a nation of gone. He's smaller. He's shorter the ground. I think that he would have one as well. Yeah, but if Paulie really wanted to go really didn't want to like go in and do this type just don't say anything like why even did it producer come to you and say hey man, just like see this and then it'll like give us a little more drama for the end the episode that producer has divorce apparently. All right, let's continue because this elimination is epic. So we have the two tall British guys going in against each other. Yeah, I'll gets picked. He goes down to The Killing Floor and he can pick hunter Theo. That's it. No, that's it. Yeah, you did great. That's all he had correct and Hunters is boy. So he goes against see. Oh, yeah at first I I don't know I guess Hunter is really strong. He's lowered to the ground. He's football guys so that Oklahoma drill, this is basically Oklahoma drill in a hallway. The baseball player is used to short Sprint's from Base to Base. I think either either it can be so analytical. Hey, let's be honest Hunter was a baseball player, but I think either one of them obviously we saw that Thea one it was going to be a tough break for housing. Might as well choose the guy you're not as close with as far as your alliance. So that's why you won't be right but strategically at first I was like, maybe go hunter because it just seems like huh drama Has left last week. He's not he's gone. He's all like emotional. He can't finish these puzzles. He's like seems like his eye during that challenge day of like Hunters just not here. Like he's literally physically sure his side is just anywhere else in the world right now, but when I see the oh and Kyle standing next to each other on the Killing Floor, I'm like, oh done. These are two string beans. I mean, yes go at each other, but could you imagine if they all they both just sucked in and then ran past each other because they're both so skinny right activist ran into the hallway easier. Then Kyle would against Hunter it's more that the size matches what they both stayed to the to the right hand side of their perspective size. They yeah, they could just slip right by each other. They didn't really like hit as hard as I thought they might they kind of just grab they kind of were like, I just grabbed onto each other and just kind of like waited there but the key for me and this challenge was staying on your feet and staying low to many times. Did Kyle go to the ground and got on his back cause it's gonna take you a lot longer to get off your back than it is to from that hunts position Sprint out for your full Sprint. Like see it was falling forward. You're saying well, he's honest like Kyle's on his back or like even on his side though. He's fully on the ground. He has to then push his body weight off the ground. And then run whereas Theo was just in a crouched position is Bam. He can go he save himself a couple steps. I mean in Coast offense though. It looks like Kyle put the on his back multiple times. So it won Kyle completely manhandled him and that's what I say about this challenge. It was great. I thought the physicality aspect of it was awesome. And I thought they didn't even care at one point when it came to round three aides and even look like they were concerned with Like beating each other in a Sprint they were just wrestling for so much longer than what felt like they even needed to like. It just became a wrestling match rather than all right. We're going to hit each other. I'm going to try to back you up right? But hey, we still have to ring that Bell first. I was like, they're too into it. Like it got like x-rated. They were pushing each other up on those walls. It was anybody's game to like I had no idea who's going to win this it could because Kyle start off really? Well obviously winning the first one and that's got to put something in Theo's head like, holy crap. I gotta win two in a row now, so that's that's always good on Kyle side, but you came back. And really dominated him. I honestly think he came down to the running Factor after they had collided I just think Theo's going to have his number there. He's a he's a sprinter and Kyle is Kyle look so goofy running. He look like he was just a lot like running like he was confused at one point. He had a lot happening. He was running on four toes on one foot. So he's having some issues. What I didn't would I was disappointed in though was how they had the Bell setup. Usually, well, usually the bells are set up so they can dive and go past the Bell they have these bells. Or these chains or whatever they guess was a belt against a wall. So they kind of had to slam into a wall. I love when you see them Superman dive from other Seasons a Superman dive out. I just I just left. Sry you said Superman time stupid. Does he dive like Superman fly? I guess a Superman fly out. We're not Superman So eventually we have to come down. We have to come down eventually. We can't fly like Superman. But yeah, so that was different. They had the walls up there if you notice. Yeah, I just love this little elimination. I think it wasn't all out battle and I loved the editing of it, too. To because we left on a cliffhanger during round two and then we come back and we're seeing like the slow-mo of Kyle's helmet you take it off of me get the wind blow of his hair. Number one reason why I love that hitting let's be real but we see them smashing each other to a ground picking each other up and then we get like all these close-ups from the fans from the bleachers of everybody freaking out Carl was giving the looks this entire elimination. She was selling it at one point and we see her screaming when we're cutting to commercial when it looks like Kyle's the one getting manhandled. I'm like, oh conspiracy theories. She doesn't want Kyle to get hurt but it was really good editing. This this elimination was so engaging and it was so neck-and-neck. You didn't know who was going to win and that was awesome. They were really cold to mately. Do you know is massive in highly tall dude is colossal. So I wonder if that's really what it came down to Monger legs longer legs. Tell thing longer legs not injured a known Sprinter from for you know for distances like that. We're just perfect for him. So he did he did great. Yeah, because it looked like it was going to be Kyle's game in the beginning. I was like dang they won the front of whoever wins the first round. I mean that has to put something in your opponent's head like crap. I have to win two in a row or I can't I can't afford any more mistakes. It's a motivator or it's a deflator and did not deflate he did was great though. So then let's head back into the house. We see. Well, obviously we see Kyle do his dramatic exit. He's like Paulie, you know, that is not what he's down. Let me just stop myself to your Bridget. Try it again. Hey, he says oh Paulie. No still not good. You may have win this battle, but you have not won the walls. Never heard that before that was Kyle. You are known this season for all your great one-liners that wasn't it. But Kyle is gonna come back to win the the Epic World War whenever 3 whatever that's going to hackers. So then that's what I wanted to preface going to the house situation. We see Kara and Polly celebrating they have their mugs their clinking there. So they finally got their guy out of the house. Yeah. Is there a party that now mrs. Kyle? How do you feel about this whole celebration scene between me personally, do you think they'd Miss Kyle? No, I mean go seeing how Paulie and Cara finally get him out of the house. Yeah. How do you how do you feel about the situation? Okay, this is Richard. Um, I didn't want to see Kyle go home. Obviously. I just like him. I just think he's a fun these brings a lot to the house. He's a lot of fun. It adds it. It lets me hate Polly and Cara Moore which I like doing that but overall I didn't want to see how ago why you were you were happy to see them cheering. I cannot stand them. I and their relationship. I can't stand them separately or in a relationship. Nothing awful to me. No, I wanted to say that I was I flip-flopped on Kyle because I haven't liked him in the past. Okay, that's why it's hard to see the situation. So I'm like, wow, I normally didn't like Kyle. Yeah. I thought it was weird too car last season. He left his jewelry behind. He did all these ridiculous. Things that made him such like a total F boy that I was not a fan of his. Yeah, but in this situation where you see Paulie and Cara having such satisfaction for him having left and they feel like they completely finesse the game and it's 100% the responsibility that Kyle is gone. I miss Kyle already and yang I wish something about Kyle is his and he still would be in that house and to be that little nap to annoy them. Right and the heart that he shows when he does these eliminations like he's he never gives up. He never complains. Usually I'm gonna do it my knees busted, but I'm gonna go. Yeah and like So I really like that competitor in him so that you know, I mean I dressed up like him for Halloween last year. So come on if y'all want to watch that episode, you can't answer unless you use a fan but I think leaving now Kyle if he comes back on future Seasons, he will now be known as actually a force to be reckoned with other than the sure this gesture character that he was kind of playing before. You know, what his first season is kind of like, oh no it takes Kyle serious. He's like eating Cheetos and drinking beer and then still running really well and stuff unless he's a joke, but now I think he's he's serious and and unless he doesn't want to come back. He will be back. I mean he needs to come back for them. The war right he has to win it. Yes, the win the war. He's gotta get in the game. You can't sit on the bench. Kyle. Come on. Let's go here after he gets toe surgery. All right. Um also in the house tonight turbo we figure out his obsession with milk. This is the hard-hitting stuff. It's nice episode while it's just you and I and we have time to talk about it. He loves milk. Yeah. He got me also loves praying and we see him clutching his Cross his B's. I'm not sure religion. Yes or no disrespect. I just don't know what he's clutching. But he's threatening. He's I'm gonna pray to the gods and I want to women I want to women that I can put in the damn, you know, but a man be a ninja. Yeah, and we see that situation. What's interesting is that he's plotting his revenge. He's more upset with d than he is with a ninja. Did you notice that like D's is number one to go in if he could choose ninjas and second place, even though ninjas started this whole thing. Oh, by the way Ninja you're like I gotta bring this back up again. She kept talking about MIT was miscommunication when she's talking with you in the kitchen. She kept telling but it was miscommunication last week. No you yelled at him. There was no you knew what you were doing. There was no miscommunication and he knew what you were yelling at him for so, where's this miscommunication? You think that's happening ninja there was no miscommunication. You yelled this guy? And then why did he freaked out? I said, yeah, I wrote that she freaked out at him. And then she said that he didn't. Oh, she said that he shouted and he was aggressive with her OD Wendy. Jumped in she said she said that I was like thinking ever like the wrong way because again that never happened she kind of plays like the woman card and that kind of rubs me the wrong way because she jumps in I know you're trying to defend your friend, but they can kind of do get out defend your friend, but don't lie to Turbo and tell him that he's being aggressive and he's being he shouted like you jump in unwarranted and then you start yelling and both of them. That's what pissed me off about day and ninja last episode is both of them are screaming at turbo and then he wants to just Just stand up for himself. So he raises his voice just a little bit to match their level. Not not that bad them. He's aggressive one yelling his head off its like both you guys are screaming at the top of your lungs and it's two versus one. Like he's just sitting there. I'm glad you brought up there though, because Theo and the situation play a middleman. He's in the kitchen with d and e on being like, you know, and then he goes back turbos holding this Grudge like you were just you and your opinion are defending your friend and then he goes to Turbo don't says that the oh my wrong. He's like no no, Absolutely, not Sofia was just that middleman and he's just rubbing up with everybody. But what hey, it's late in the game. He doesn't want to make any more enemies. So he rubbed up with the girls rub the wicked dude. He's just rubbing up. Hey, Rub-a-Dub-Dub, three men in a tub having fun. It's great. It's us. All right, we're gonna get into the crash landing before we do. Yes. All right everyone. Hi Dan here. We just want to thank you if you Pan the camera to Jenna she's laughing right now. 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So back to the challenge shall we know everyone still with us? Okay. So Crash Landing TJ comes out tripping. He's in this pilot outfit and everyone turbo thinks. He's sexy. Yeah, D can't control herself. Everyone's like whoops. Love a man in uniform. Like I must say teacher look, Look dapper. This is the first episode. I like enjoyed TJ because he made fun of caught he Cara he made a little comment Irwin complainer. She's giving a Rosie have you called her a complainer which I loved what was up with the passes he gave was that just for fun or they actually could you see turbo and he gets on the plane. He looks at his past for his seat number and then sits down. I'm like, whoa, was there really a seat number? They were turbo. Is he playing along but I couldn't figure it out. So I don't know if the passenger just for show but turbo looked at his past when he's on the plane like this and he found his seat. I was like, this is That's and I'm gonna get anybody else those is it wasn't just me, but turbo looked looked for his seat number on the passes good civilian. Well, that's what I'm glad you're bringing up turbines used to planes. This is an environment where Turbo thrives he loves nothing more than being on a plane and holding down the fort and being the flight Marshall of everybody's playing he really does so they get on to challenge Airline. So it's no surprise that he finishes first, but what are your thoughts about this challenge, so they have Minutes to solve a puzzle and then they have to jump from what I thought was going to be like Skyscraper High. It looks like maybe the highest diving board at your local swimming club. It doesn't look as high as they say. I feel like the producers hype them up before going in like, you know, we need you to be like really really scared really really crazy scared because they were freaking out on this plane freaked out. I like what did y'all think the plane was going to do that? It's clearly attached or it hasn't has two metal bands wrapped around it. It's not going to drop to the ground. They're not Like weird face I was getting so we made fun last year about there's like there's a hole there could be a shark in this water. They know shocks as well. The producers are letting somebody get eaten by a shark. Welcome to Shark Bay. It's like there's a big old fish. There's there's there's no fish. There's no fish here. So I did like it first they spun it in a full 360 and I was like, okay, they're getting in here coming. I don't think they're gonna get it. They're gonna get him a little dizzy. That's kind of cool. But then the rest of the time it was this it was the see it was the see it was the Sea Dragon ride the old-school Sea Dragon ride it like any of your theme parks where it just goes like this. And yeah, I think it was challenging and but scary. I don't know. It's scary. That's my thing. I think we've been hard they obviously did the magnets thing that was smart by The Producers like holy crap. These pieces are going to fly everywhere. Really? Sorry. I didn't see that part coming. I didn't see the rotation the water the sirens all the stuff fly water. I didn't see. In the sirens didn't see coming. So that elevated a for me that most people start to take the challenge a little bit more. Yes. I mean and also a puzzle hate on the mall, you will and hate on puzzles. They're not the most thrilling to watch for like I can't even solve a puzzle and peace and quiet. I can't even solve like write a 10 piece puzzle in the comfort of my living room by a fire and hot chocolate. So now they're in this plane that's rotating and water and everything. So, you know, if you're not dialed in if you're not a turbo, then you're going to have a hard time with this. I mean for people didn't complete the chapter that 15 minutes to do it. It um, as far as yeah, it was it was fun to it was fun to do as far as to watch. I was like, okay, I mean what it came down to was you solve a puzzle in jump out of a plane. That's not that high off the ground. It was more of like playing on this whole plane theme like they kept saying I will never travel I challenge Airlines ever again. Shut up your cell phones. Yeah. Okay, the whole thing about them finding their own seats is pretty awesome though. It's a bonsai got Cheetos. That was great. She's in the stoner section of the plane. All the snacks snacks are ya so then let's get into the placements of this challenge turbo is locked and loaded. He wastes no time. He thrives on planes does his puzzle jumps out Cara jumps out second. And then right behind her is her prints the love of her life polygons printer happens jumps right out of the plane. Then we see Wes Wes come no love this episode. He was non-existent. By the way, you just did he did West talk. What did we even hear him speak a confessional? Yeah today. I look at anybody. A joke about the airline's he's like, oh this is no one has ever survived. I looked up. I looked him up on the go to the gonna get a CD rating at one star. Yeah, so that's all he said. Yeah ninja Natalie finishes and V, Georgia and 6D and 7th when she is terrified. This is one of the biggest like dramatic points of the challenges that she's shaking she can't do it and I actually feel really bad for her because she to show him. You know, she just learned that not the best swimmer, right? So to be up that High, I mean it's one of those things. It looks easy when it's not you I tried to go cliff-diving last summer and I was probably maybe a touch higher than the plane tonight and I couldn't I couldn't do it and you know, I was thinking no. Thank you. Goodbye. So I understand the fear, especially if somebody is scared of heights and water and they can't swim right and then we see for don't finish Theo Hunter. I love Hunter and during this challenge who else hasn't finished Maddie and Maddie. Yeah, it's just like beep boop. Bop. Bop like he did. I don't know what I'm doing. He's done. Did you acquire going of course? Yes. I wanted to be Gordo because you want to be Steven Spielberg. I was just a Gordo's going to be Steven before I am member how Savage the one commercial was about Ethan and it was like Ethan get inside his brain. There's plenty of room and they always made fun of Ethan dummy was Spacey doesn't feel like a hunter wasn't his own confessional Hunter accurately portrayed what's going on in his mind at all times Hunters like they don't bop bop boop bop. I can't no not for me like that is just what's going on the hunters mine probably shot. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, so those four did not finish and then we seek are like pacing back and forth like oh my god. Did I do the puzzle? Right? Yeah. Just relax over now. Stop it. What are you doing? Oh, I'll shut it down. I did love how mad he was cheering Dion as well. Even though Maddie had not even finished her puzzle. It was a woman's elimination, you know, she could have had a chance to at least get into the tribunal other people had ever had messed up the puzzle. I really appreciated Maddie really really cheering on D like Over and over and over again like not even worried about her puzzle. But like come on girl. You got you got this you got this jump out you can do this. I love that Maddie proves time time. She is like the sweetheart of this challenge. She's tough but she's such a homie. She's got Dave ons back and again like you said on the female or sorry Dee's back on a female elimination. She's awesome. I love her. Yeah, so turbo and Cara they end up finishing first and second. They're the first guy purrs girl. So they're making the final figure out stick car has as much as highs and lows I've had With her this season. She's become quite annoying but good for her. Yeah. She won the last one that was alone. What was it Vendetta's that trilogy? She first place Finish First solo first. I'll say this. I'll say this. Thank God that turbo got the puzzle, right? Because it turbo didn't get the puzzle. Right who's going in friends? Yeah, Paulie and Cara would have been in the finals together and God. We not have stopped hearing about that that have been awful. So thank God thank you for turbo for being on this season because Pauline car would have been the first Ones in the finals now Adam pissed me off, but don't get ahead of yourself. He still makes a tribunal. So it's carefully and Theon the tribunal. Yes, and then we move on into seeing who they want to vote for car stays true to her word. She's not going to go mad at your Dean because they made this negotiation. They made this agreement last episode before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. 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No, I mean at this point and then car just cannot decide between Georgia and Dave on and then she ends up going Dave on I'm surprised she didn't go Georgie here just because if everyone is whole season and everyone's been talking about how great of a competitor George is why not have an opportunity to get her out of the game. I guess that she must have thought and this is not a bad thought Biff car thought this that either Are you know D or Natalie were definitely going to go in they were going to get the votes because turbo is definitely not going to vote for Georgia and Paulie. I mean she could have been like hey Pauly let's both vote for Georgia. Right? I mean, they could have teamed up on that. But you know, why make another enemy she was there for I was like she was there for Georgia when the whole bear situation happen with the phone call with his I think she's really good. Thanks RJ. I think Georgia is one of those people like how Kyle was for the lot of the guys his first season where even though you're good competitor people keep you around because they just like you like they just like your spirit. Yeah, yeah your energy and it's not that she dislikes Davon. I think Georgia just has that about like that giggle Factor about her that like everybody just likes being around her even tonight. She's packing to go into elimination and she's like if I have to go in against Ninja chick like she's making a joke about potentially being sent home. Yeah and not be able to get 70 or 750 K. Yeah, you know, like she's taking it lightly when she is going to elimination. So she kind of just has that personality. I'm actually somewhat this packing they we show them packing right? I know they're getting some stuff some For the thing can't they just pack later? Like they did you tell me the producers don't unpack later. They didn't have it all their stuff in a bag and they have to bring it out. Come on, they don't they pack later to I don't know about that because think about some of the attitudes they kick him out that evening not even a definitely leave, but I don't know if you're going home and some people when they lose they're like wild and they don't want to have to deal with the packing process probably have to go back into the house pack and potentially get in the fight. It was such an emphasis on this packing thing. I'm like, I don't need to see it. I knew every week they we spend like 32 seconds to a minute. Watching packing every week on the challenge. You got 30 seconds to like five minutes of reptiles and sand and a badass people just walking in the sand towards TJ for the challenge of TJ handy helper classes saying every one of their names that we don't know their names by now. Exactly. You're right. We got a lot of we get a lot of b-roll footage. You're totally right some some phylla anything in the tribunal interrogation that struck me that you want to talk about. Oh, I guess one little thing. Cara Cara says like just just just protect yourself to today. What do you mean protect yourself? Like by thought she meant you mean prepare yourself for the elimination. How do you protect yourself or let me do you wear more clothes was gonna be a chilly weather a lie. I don't understand what comment and if it made no sense wire, why are they using that in a cut really stupid? So that's the only thing because they like Dave on you're not going in. We're not going to vote for you. Then cars like that protector. Set yourself against watch Irish, but try to make sure you don't go in like I was just a super weird. Here's here's the issue car is like the most well-known girl left on the show at this point and they're really didn't she's attached to Polly and the doing all these story lines around her and I just don't care. I don't want any more storylines with her. Give me turbo storylines every day of the week. I cannot stand. Sorry. I just don't I don't know. I mean there's a lot there's a lot of car fans out there. Please tell me in the chat why we like car? Whatwhat am I like about her - there we go. That's how much the lawyers female competitor. I'm okay great. There's other Fierce female competitors. I'm think personality-wise. I'm just like get I'm over you. He's not her best season. Okay, I agree lover. However, however turbo does get his wish turbos prayers are answered. He held on to it. He gets D and day in the tribunal vote. Voting what are we calling? This The Killing Floor? Tribunal's not the winning tribunal The Killing Floor tribunal. Well, yeah, it's I'm into the pile the first spot the pile here and then we see the conversation he has with d later on and I think D is deathly trying to suck up to him a little bit Yeah apologetic. Now, she's teary-eyed. She can't believe that her a ninja both got called and she apologizes and turbo is still clutching these beads, whatever he uses to pray. He still grasping onto him like he he means business. Right now and he basically seems he's confusing. It seems like he might be open to the apology seems like he's accepting of it. But he also just says well if one of you to goes in I believe you'll come back and then we'll move on from our friendship but and see that's how you took it right? Because that's how I took it at first he says and then we'll continue to fight it does. He mean continue to fight together or continue to fight against each other? I was like, wait what best thing about turbo and announced in conspiracy theories. It's like language barrier. I had no idea. You know what I meant. I didn't mean that this was even in even if there's not a language barrier if he's just messing with people like will continue to fight no one knows but he me so mysterious he is for me. He's this he's one of the biggest stars of this season for sure A Star is Born this year and it's turbo y'all. So we got to the killing for and now we're going to see how everybody votes for so turbo does vote D. Yeah, like now I know my real friends are your to face and we re whatever he had a vote for somebody relax you yelled at him for your friends. Your best friend ninja but now you're trying to say the turbo was your best friend if he wasn't you want to talk to him like that in first place? Probably now you're now you're going to pay for it maybe and like go deal with it. Now, you know, like get in there get in there girl. You gotta go The Killing Floor get in the pit. And then Cara goes Dave on. She's a pro. That's a throwaway though. It's a throwaway, but I do kind of understand why Davon would be put off by this. I that's why I say that's a saying like, yeah, you know, she she made it clear that she's you're not going in however that That is your only the second vote your the second named we call it. So now it's one-on-one. Yeah, but then who's a third vote? It's Pauly so they clay talked about ahead of time and be like, hey, we don't want to make any more enemies. So we'll just say day because we told her in the tribunal that it was throw away. I'll say to throw again, but it came off to me. Like it wasn't almost the throw away. I was like if I would have been kind of like dang like yeah, I didn't like it. I think like just why don't you just vote detail? Okay, I agree with avons face. Her face said it all well didn't didn't car isn't car not allowed to vote for who Natalie who she not allowed to vote for Maddie. And Natalie, right? Yeah, so she could have bought it for Dean's here. Sorry. She can't go dear Maddie. She could have went Natalie. But Natalie was Polly's partner. Okay, so she would have to go. Yeah, they're so they're so she kind of hat. Yeah, he really got it. What kind of we're figuring out ourselves as you kind of had to vote for day. Yes in a weird way, but Polly is going to go deep because he can't do ninja or Davon because those are his two girls. Hmm. So we get down it's going to be another clip bag. It's gonna be another what's gonna happen elimination, but we see D. She can pick Pick who can she pick she can pick Maddie. She can pick Danny. Yeah. Yeah, she can pick anybody but Cara and yeah pics Davon, I mean as far as all the competitors are really good at this point, but I guess I guess you could say day is one of the weaker competitors that are left weaker is not the best word because she's not really a we competitor but like yet to pick somebody right like Maddie is colossal Cara has won this I'm time again. She's in the tribunal. Anyway, George car kit car car can't go in. Anyway, she's in the final. Right right. You could put Georgia by George's it has more endurance and Devon Devon has been open about the fact that she has an inhaler just right. I mean if she's doing the math, I guess you have to go Daiquiri. I think this elimination between D and day are probably the two. He's a big she's a she's a she's has bigger. She's a bigger city bigger stature, but I do their Duty and day elimination is probably two of the week or two of the weakest girls. I think D is also if you had to pick two they do they the two weakest girls that are left on The Challenge. I am pumped though, because I liked avons attitude. She's now been in the elimination at least it's time to it's time. It's time always ready. Yeah, never complains that I love that I love that she's always ready but it's gonna be a hard hard elimination for them and we're going to get into predictions in a second. Okay hit that jingle Josh Oh, but before we just have a word from Turbo what people give me I always take back if he does this is this is my life. I mean it really is now I wrote when you when you wrote that down. I wrote down. I'm not even sure what he means exactly. Okay, that's what I wrote down people. Give me I take back just say that to yourself three times every morning and I'm sure your life will change. So what people give me I give them in return. Like if people give me a positive attitude, I'm positive back at people try to screw me over. I screw them over back. Give me if people give me good stuff people give me a bad attitude if they get right exactly get tivity. I I will take that back from that. I don't know no give it back to him. I'll give them back. The revenge is Revenge people. Give me a spit on my pride. I take it back. I take back my pride. I don't know. Anyway, I love turbo and then he also has an all-time line time to war time to wartime to watch it is so Josh hit that prediction. And now you're AfterBuzz TV prediction. All right, we got tug-of-war between D and day who you got. Okay. Now this is interesting because I do think it's going to come down to endurance because we saw in the previous. They're pulling a very long long rope. It's gonna that is going to take a lot out of them before they even start tugging against each other now, haven't we seen day and another elimination with bear where they had a pull that sled forever? And day did pretty great at that. I don't think that I think D is strong. I don't think D has as much endurance. Really. I just don't sew a but I do think that D is a stronger she can pull but I think once they pull that line all the way that's a long-ass rope. I think Des is going to be able to hold on longer. It's a I know it's a hot take because I do think that D is if it was just tug of war. We were talking a rope. I think D would take it. It's gonna be a lot of endurance before the tug. I think you have I think you like d in this though. Okay, I yeah, I just think she is probably I think it's better match for her because she does look a lot stronger. Unfortunately. I don't want Davon to leave and I think she'll she'll compete well, but I do think it's ultimately going to be D and I yeah, and I do think it could be a toss-up, but I just think with they're gonna have to pull that rope for a very long time before they even get to the end of it even do the challenge against each other. They're playing they're challenging themselves with endurance before they even touch each other. Yeah Sega. I mean we see in these conventional I know that these are shut after the elimination. But I know it's you can see that she's kind of like even she knows that when she steps on The Plank Floors like this. It's gonna be tough for me. I don't know. She's a lot stronger and bigger. Yeah, but the other prediction I want to go through is Dan and I were playing a little bit of detective at the end of the show. So we see this teaser for next episode where whoever loses the next challenge goes. They don't go to elimination, right? They go straight home. And then I guess it's a next people who go into the final and we see somebody fall out of a plane and could you not we probably reverse like Times back and forth really fell backwards off a net or see somebody fall off of a net into the water and we're going back and forth. Who is this? Who's getting on the stretcher first? We see a stretcher and I see spoiler alert as well. If you don't want to know it's not a spoiler. It's on it. I know who it is. What we both do because we figured it out with our detective right? But you did not at first so we we see a body get onto the stretcher and I see this massive like tattoo and I goes, this is Hunter. That's Hunter now. See those be Legs I'll be back. That's Hunter. I'm like it is the one thousand and ten percent poly with that large. All I said I talked to I agree. I did think it was Hunter but I also did say there's a leg that to get to find his leg tattoo. This is and and then I did say he looks really beefy up top when he's falling. I thought it could be hunter or Paulie. I did throw Paulie in there, but you were right it is and we figured out it was Paul because he has the same like that narrowed it down to a hunter and Polly because you know, we thought Theo might be a close third. Yeah, I could could I made the joke that it was Theo, hahaha. We made that joke. We did that joke out there that it could have been feel because haha. Yes other people are writing in. Yes other people are also writing in Theo someone doesn't get the joke and they're like wait Theo's black there so they don't get the joke. So that's funny people are jumping in and I also caught the knee brace but we did some Pi detective work and you know, we we took it we got some crime scene photos. We got we really worked on every wind it to the episode tonight and found a full body shot of both of them say next to each other. And we figured it out and they're wearing shorts. Actually. I think I want to apologize Instagram when I saw this photo of him lying in his bed with just the covers on the you know, where those it. Yep. There's a debt to case over over Polly's kleig. Are you instagramming this of yourself? First off? Let's get to the root of the problem. Yeah. So wow, Paulie Manuel takes a beating next week. Well, which brings me to my next Point who is who prediction who's gonna be the last guy and last girl therefore going home automatically if Polly gets in that stretcher and he can no longer perform. I'm picking I need to go home next week bam. Wow, groundbreaking. Well, obviously, what if he gets up next come on, we saw turbo like needing oxygen. He was fine two seconds later these producers do this to us to get us all hyped up when nothing really happened. Looks like you Falls. I mean unless it's like a victory fall like yes, I finished and now I'm going to catapult myself off of this net because if not, it looks like he's not going to finish a challenge if you don't so do you think so you think Polly's going home as well as week? Probably? Yeah. Okay and then as far as girls who what girl do you think's going to come in last in there for have to go home? D well doing so you're assuming that D wins the tug-of-war water. So there you go. So I really think these winning the tug-of-war right? So that's why I mean sewed it on and then I think D is gonna hold I'll pick data when the tug of war and then she'll be the one to see the eliminations not going to the final. There you go. That's our so we did pick them as the two weakest women women competitors left as well though. Yeah. So, there you go. Do you have anything else for tonight's episode or any thoughts for next week before we close up final two guys? Better going to join turbo. I'm going to go Wes and Hunter which I've been saying all along and they're still in it. So I'm still there. I wasn't Theo you going Weston Theo should be bad. Sometimes we better bottle of wine parts and I'd zepa sewed. All right, and then we'll bring it in and during the during the to shake. Okay during the recap during one day. Is that CEO? And as long as the own West make it you win if he owned Hunter make it I win I do we have to go all for I don't really want wine though. I don't really drink but I'll okay will do wine what we wind for. Yeah, I don't have no Pam doesn't get wife and as a witness to this deal. Yeah, I remember this it just in case what happens remember that we forbid down from drinking tea is ready. Yeah, that's that's not it y'all thanks for what did you want to take? What about girls will final girls. Do you want in there or do you think cars already in Cara is going and so I think ninja think dangerous she's just so I can store just ninja in, Georgia. Oh, no, she didn't do well tonight on the puzzle. That's for sure. So I'm just a lot of people still Stephanie say Maddie in the live chat for sure. Yeah. Do you want me to do you want to do my one little T thing? Yeah, do we do your one little teeth? Do we have to tease or just the one team? I think we only have a small cup just small cup of tea. I mean a small cup and then like a half a shot of tea just because this isn't really T. This is just Paulie. Yeah, Paulie, you know, it is T. Why wouldn't I want Ali has fully transformed into the Joker and his eyes if you have not been on his Instagram, he did a nice little slide show and it's a regular picture of him and then a second picture where he has taken it upon himself to photoshop at him. Elf and coloring his hair green paint his lips red and run. Hahahaha in the background. Wow, that's hilarious. He's really, you know, he's definitely very humbled. And anyways, all Paulie does is congratulate Kyle and a great run, but he had known how injured Kyle was. He wouldn't have gone so hard on him. How injured was Kyle really then you you made a joke that he lost the tow. What if you did it wouldn't be surprised if we see that come out shortly on them. Bev Mo or TMZ? Yeah, but anyways, yeah, that's it on the challenge musset. Oh, it's gone. That's a girl that was episode 13 Final Destination. Thank you for being with us AfterBuzz TV War of the Worlds after show here. My name is John of us. 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Kyle losses the elimination, his toe, and his helmet, but not those glorious long locks of love. During the challenge, Hunter lets us enter his mind, and it sounds like a pre school recess. There’s no turbulence for turbo in flight, and plenty of prayers answered as he plots his revenge while slowly sipping a glass of milk. Princess Paulie follows his girlfriend into the tribunal after she makes the final. We end with a “TUG OF WAR” against double d’s - Day and Dee. About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge:  It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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His name's Tyler Wilson from seven seven one five and we're talking to him about what makes them. Tick yeah, boy. Oh boy. Do we love this guy? Oh, we love them. We let all this ready. He's he's been one of those people that for at least I can say in my life has been a great person to bounce ideas off of a source of inspiration, you know, every time I felt like maybe what I'm doing wasn't the safest bet and I should maybe, you know bow out of the fight. So to speak Tyler's always been there to sort of pull me back in. Yeah. Let's just say that the only reason I got my first tattoo was because I had to talk with Tyler Wilson that changed my life. So, what did he say to you? I don't know man. Let's just let's just listen to the episode about that. See if it sneaks its way in there even snuck its way in there. I have a feeling it won't it's only because we recorded it already but it wasn't it - yeah, it might but no seriously. 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But recently he's put out a new song that you just heard a little bit of called week with his band seven. Seven one five and we've got Tyler Wilson here Tyler. How are you? It's your boy. I'm good. I'm feeling great. I'm a little bit hungover to be honest with you, but I'm just hanging in there and I'm happy to be here. Hey, man, it's the middle of the week who isn't hung over. I know right? It's at what's today Thursday? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah today's if there is no I think it's a day that ends in y so, we're good. Oh, yeah, don't they all that's the joke? Okay, I guess I'm not a scientist dude. So yeah, listen to your song is called week. You should know more about the days of the week than I do. Okay, that is true. We just count numbers. That's the whole I saw thing there. So I don't remember their ever being a mention of any specific day in that song. Not not a single day. It's just all blur smart. So smart move. That is smart. Honestly, man. I think that that song is smart for many reasons. One of them is the word is yeah. Yeah. No, one of them would be the word claim and I mean, you know 5:00 a.m. I'm sure living in La hanging out with your friends all the time. There's a lot of 5 a.m. And then 6 to my stomach. Yes. Wow, that's honestly incredible. I think that might be completely honest part of the song is now I'm sick to my stomach. I do this thing where I like cross my arms over my stomach and I shake back and forth like I'm sick to my stomach. It's a great dance. That's amazing. You should she get sick and then you'll you'll other part. I'll tell me sick as fuck. Yeah, I mean that that whole thing that came together so so fucking dope it was so they just all of us like messing around the room. We had we had tried to write something over that's like that track originally, which was just like the guitar and like I think like a really shitty like kick and snare sort of thing. Like we're like another song or like us kind of trash and then went back to it and like we were all in the room just like just messing around like joking and then like with accounting shit and then it started actually sound good. We started making it the the numbers and I think everybody had like their own like number that get each part and it was just it was dope. That's all he's the most cohesive like kind of like writing experience that we've had thus far. Yeah. So there's a lot of you guys in the band. There's there's five members of my correct in saying that germs officially in the band. Yeah Jones officially in the band, so How does that work? Because I know you guys also well and you're also creative and talented so so how does the song go together with that many people? Dude, I mean well sometimes you know, it's like we're all writers and stuff and there's you know, it kind of feel like there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen at the same time. But you know for the most part everybody like does their own own part and helped each other with their parts and it's like a super just really natural like collaborative effort and it's it's really easy. I mean, like everyone's everyone's super dope and everyone brings something like different to the table, I guess. So it makes it I don't know makes it super not hard and fun. So so in a sense There might not be many unfinished songs with you guys because you all seem to be able to bounce ideas off each other in a positive way. Yeah, exactly. I mean there's you know, we have I wish I knew how many songs we actually had like right now like a hundred percent finish to me. There's I feel like we have like almost two albums worth sort of but we also have maybe like twenty others like half songs like ideas that are like not a hundred percent like some people need to be on other songs and whatnot. But Yeah, I don't know. We have a ton of songs. I'm really stoked about the next ones coming out. That's great. I think usually people come back to a band because they want more than one song. So that's good that you guys are prepared for them. I know funny thing funny thing is with the band. We originally finally say that because like we originally just like gonna put out just one song and not like be a band. I'm glad we didn't just do that. But if we read this we were originally writing this song for Stu and I had The part and JP had written apart and we Stewart was like, why don't you guys just just sing it? I don't know why he didn't do it, but we just laid it in as I could demo vocal and I were like, oh this is actually kind of tight like with all of us click on it together. They're like, why don't we just like put this out next week? Like what are we gonna call like called up the project and we were just like we all have seven seven one five tattooed on us and that was our house. We all lived, uh stuff, you know, might as well. Yeah. All right P the trap house for people who don't know it would you mind? Yeah, would you mind telling us a little bit about that that part of your guys lives because it seems to be so seminal to what seven seven one five as a band is dude. It's like the core of it almost like it's like we're at the birthplace kind of and I feel like you know, we all moved out here and lived in a house together and we just like kind of from like day one just started like throwing just like pretty wild parties and and kind of brought like a lot of people that are now like are really good friends like entire lives and it The place where like everybody knew about it everybody like new like it was just a fucking really laxed like laid-back sort of sort of house that like you can kind of do whatever the hell you want and nobody's like I'll judge you like some places out here like, you know, it's like there's a whole status thing and that kind of wasn't really the way we ever rocked with it kind of just like if you're dope you're dope if you're not like, you know, you're not so like so we know because like, you know, we know you guys but who lived in the house from your band exactly just so people can get like a little bit of an idea. So it was me. me dance to and our buddy Ricky and originally and then Ricky moved out like, you know, I think maybe not even a full year and JPY the moving in just to like crash for a couple weeks while he was in between houses and then wind up just like staying for the next like year and we were all like in different projects at the time like me and Danny had a thing and then JP was doing like a solo thing and still was like wrapping and we'd all like a cloud with each other and writing each other stuff, but like never Like put it together that we should all kind of just do something together and everyone around us was like, yeah, we've been like thinking of you guys should do this for a really long time. So I'm glad that we actually kind of did but yeah, it came out of nowhere the whole band like did did come from the trap. Yeah, and then and then on top of all that you guys had previously even before living together spent a lot of time touring. Yeah exactly. I mean me and Danny with Hollywood ending we we toured Hard for like years and years. I feel like since I was like 16 and it's a called we always took us to along with us what I was his band or whether he was just coming along just and we made up a job for him. Just so he can come hang out with us. It's really true. Yeah. Yeah. We were like, yeah, you can guitar tech but like he's like, no I can't we're like, all right. Well, it's five you can figure it out. So yeah, there were a ton of technical issues and not saying it is his fault, but I'm not That was honestly kind of like I mean, you know, I was on the other side of it, but my favorite part of Hollywood ending was really just like hey, you're our friend come tour. Yeah. Yeah exactly. I mean that's kind of like the way we always like always have done everything, you know for the most part. It's like I don't like being all like professional with it. I'd rather just like having by my homies and I feel like that's like what rappers do kind of just like just bring their boys on tour like an Entourage. They got a job for him and like keep them so that they can you know, they can And just party and have fun with us. You got you got to keep spirits up. Yeah, I remember I was talking to Dan someone recently when I saw him and he was saying that you know, when you guys were in Hollywood ending it was like a lot of fun that's kind of like how part of why it was so successful and then you guys tried to do bad feelings and it you know kind of wasn't a successful because you guys were kind of really focused on it taking it super seriously super businesslike and then he was saying that seven seven one five kind of started real casually and that's kind of what what led to this success. So do you feel like excuse me? That when it's just a more casual fun thing that just lets you I guess create better product or do you think it's just that people can tell that you guys are having a good time and you think people just respond more to that. Yeah, you know, that's a good point. I think naturally like yeah like with Hollywood enemy. We didn't take that all too. Seriously that band like, you know, it started like out of nowhere. I'm just me and Danny like being like yeah, we should we should start like a Disney kind of Bannon and it wound up just like happening and we you know, we just had fun with it the whole time and like we made funny. Like we didn't take ourselves too. Seriously. I mean the French upshot is my one claim to fame serious Dexter directorial debut. So relaxed that was class. What's it called? Yeah, I mean like that. I just lost my train of thought. So so what we just talked about talking about the difference between having a fun project in a small cheers project close our eyes are yeah. So like I think when we moved out here after Hollywood ending ended me and Danny were like, you know, like we gotta like make it kind of like a Take yourself seriously make like more like rock like like, you know kind of email like pond5 you band. That was like that's like, you know, you know we take seriously and I think like it just didn't feel like as fun or organic and it felt like more forced than anything. We were just like Having a hard time figuring out what songs to put out like what like, what's the vibe like what, you know, we have a ton of different sounding songs. Like what should we do? What should we do? And then when you know 7.15 came around it's just like it's all of us just like just fucking around and just having a ton of fun and like not taking it seriously, you know, I think it's when you think too hard about something and it becomes like what's the opposite of organic inorganic and organic? Yeah nice, and I think people Can see that when you know, they look at a band like if it's if it's real or not and I think with with seven seven five, I think it's pretty pretty real. I mean, it sounds just like the vibe of like what the Trap was. Yeah. I mean as the only one of The Two Hosts here that has been to the Traphouse. I gotta say that I feel like listening to the song and seeing the video. It's just it's almost like you wrote it about the trap house and it yeah Anna makes anyone who's ever been to the Traphouse just Like it's just I don't know how to explain it was like I listen to it. I was like man, I feel like I'm there again. This is so nice. Like I'm just surrounded by friends yet. I was a cool, you know cool thing about that videos like, you know, we rented a, you know, we don't live there anymore, but we went to the house. I was like having a similar kind of vibe and just we just threw a party and you know, we just told me just provided just bottles and and just played like week two times. You know, that was the first time I were playing a show together or being on stage together, I guess. And yeah just went like super well and it felt like just like a rager and like a classic like trap rager and we mixed in a bunch of like old videos that we had in our phones from the actual trap. So it makes it like feel like it's the actual house. Yeah like that like the helicopters. Yeah exactly that party but like they did come to one of our parties like, you know, I'm pretty sure there were a couple of queers in there that we're during the tea. The only 10 days that I was there and I was just like damn I can't believe that there was some crazy parties while I was there. Yeah, you came out like the pretty much when we were peeking out at like I like I guess capacity and like how much longer we could we could do that, you know, it's not like a sustainable thing to be able to dislike continuously throw parties because the house just naturally just starts getting like yeah. The cane was there there were there was one night where we only had three people over. Is pretty chill but then there were two separate nights where there were so many people here that maybe like 40 times in one night. I went up to Dan or you and I was like yo who is and you're like, I don't know. Okay, and I mean a lot of people in the room out of like I don't know I watch I was standing in your living room and a girl standing next to me just kind of threw up on the floor so I can only imagine what that house went through you guys lived there. Yeah, what's up? Yeah, the girl threw up all over my skateboards. Like it's like I throw throwing arm out to the side. The grip tape was just like covered and just crowds here. Yeah. No, I mean like you can't like do that forever. It's like So I just like and you pound alcohol and just like rip cigs like all day like your body just kind of died from the inside and that's kind of what we were doing to the house, you know, pretty much but it well what a way to go, right? Yeah exactly when I'm good, and the messed-up thing is I mean like we got like we got our security deposit back as well. Wow, and then and then the last month of rent for free for some reason, I'm not sure how that all happened. But like damn I think the landlord's just wanted us out. I guess the neighbors were just praying for you guys, but Still have a little piece of the trap house with you every day, right? You're cat. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh, she's so perfect. What's a god funny thing? Yeah. Like we said the cat used to come around this hat like the house in the backyard. Just out of nowhere cutest like little black cat. We just feed her like whatever we had. Sometimes it'd be like we cooker like a little bit of chicken or we give her like a ranch cup from like Jack-in-the-Box or okay, like yes, it's cat food. That's Kevin. Yes. You're like, can I sleep near the trash? Or sometimes she would come inside and like sleep like next to steal or some like that. So when we're moving out like she was like to sitting on the wall just like I feel like she kind of knew like we were going and I was like damn we gotta we have take this cat with us. Like I feel so bad like she relies on us every day for like food. So I want to taken her to the next house. I lived in with my girlfriend and she wasn't a hundred percent on the idea. But I was like nah sure we're gonna pass her around like we're going to share but now it's been like two years. I've had to cut the whole time and she's such a domesticated like little press but she's perfect. I remember come her coming around while I was there and just being like is it you guys see that can you're like, oh, yeah, she comes by all the time. I just think it's really nice for like being yeah random street cat it was like beautiful, but then it's like took her to the vet like right because my girlfriend was like yo, if we'd ever get the house like you got to get her checked for like worms and please and shit and I was like that makes nine percent says so like 500 hours later at the vet. She's like super cleaned out all good. She was already spayed and also we found out she was a girl. We thought she was a boy for like a year and a half. Wow said yeah gender change on that one. It's about shocking. Yeah, exactly very fluid. So did the rest of the guys come in like visit the cat or do they like it? Yeah, she gets a lot of love and when they roll through to your house, yeah exactly the costliest she sleeps with us every night and any time the boys were over she she gets Love from from Danny and Steven and the boys like this cat pretty much won the lottery. Huge jackpot, right? Yeah. I just had to make sure she's getting the love because you know, this cat's been through a lot. So yeah, she's a little bougie bitch now, she's there you go ahead. Bougie. Yeah. So what Russia Tyler one thing just to just to change gears a little bit here one thing I wanted to bring up based off something you said earlier, you know, your band is so much about just having fun and not taking things too seriously and Living in the moment and I've been meaning to I mean, I already did congratulate you but I want to congratulate you again on signing to RCA with seven seven one five. But thank you so much ma'am. Yeah, I was so cool. But you know, I'm sorry go ahead now go for it. Well, I'm just curious because you know, you guys are so relaxed and and so Carefree with their music, but but now there has to be some sense of of organization or scheduling that may be sort of takes away from the nature of that. And I'm curious how you guys are, you know, sort of finding a middle ground with this these new changes around the band. Yeah, you know, I mean, well the label thing happened really really interested in an interesting way like pretty I don't think it's like the normal route that that happens from other bands and stuff. But JP, you know, he'd been signed to RCA like, you know, like 10 years ago or something like that like when he was a kid with his old band and the cool thing is that most of the same exact team that he Had when he was there is still here that kind of shows good. You know, that's a good sign. But yeah, so they think JP sent him the song and and one of their trainers came out and like, you know, we just played him like everything we had he's like, you know, I got a I got a place for my people and you know, they brought it into the meeting on the next Monday and they just like they just loved it there like you gotta sign this band like a week later like they flew us out. We negotiated the contract. We assigned a New York and it was super super crazy. But yeah for like a band who you know, I mean weirdly are organized kind of but without like the stress of feeling like we need to be like hyper-organized I guess but having a label now kind of makes it so like know there is a structured plan there is like dates and there's and stuff just gets done. You know what I feel like when you know, like when I was in bad feelings with Danny, you know, we didn't have anybody telling us. You got to put this out you got to do that and like we want it like just pushing things back because we weren't sure of pushing pushing things back like, you know, so having that like kind of other side of things like more business side of stuff like kind of keeping you on track is super super helpful. I mean, it's a good Dynamic that we have between our label in the band. Yeah. I mean of people who know you guys are kind of you guys are sort of like a super group of you know, the musicians friend group that we're all kind of Part of an I feel like with all of these, you know five talented songwriter singer guys all in one band with the direction of a label you guys pretty much can only go up from here. So I'm really excited to see what's going to come after all this week stuff. Yeah. I'm super stoked to humanity and its really promising and the label super excited about it. And you know, we've been getting some ads on radio and you know, I think as the song keeps getting spins, it's gonna just Kind of grow and grow and grow. I'm just stoked and excited to like see, you know, see where it goes what happens and I'm doing it with, you know, some of the best friends in the world. So it's just all all good. It's all good shit. I'm stoked. No. Yeah, man so far away so far away. There was one thing I noticed germ wasn't really in the whole origin story had you guys link up with him. So JP had met germ like only like a year ago, but in German, Like is a crazy crazy singer than songwriter just like top top notch shit and we just started like hanging out with him. Like when we started the band we started hanging out with him like every single day and he would be a big part of the writing process and you know, we started getting like yeah, like like dream jump on the mic like like do like he does like crazy like harmonies and all his stuff. He's just dope a singer the more he just started getting like a part of it. We're just like a journey beyond the song like like germ write the song with us like it kind of Felt like natural that you know, he would be a part of it. So that first like when we saw and he wasn't originally in the band but as we like progressed from the time that we signed to now, it's just like he's as vital as anybody else in the band, you know, so it only makes sense that he's he's a part of it and he's a fucking awesome dude. Yeah now now he sings the chorus on week. Yeah exactly what she's what you know, that's one thing. I think you guys are doing really well of is walking. Fine line of having so many singers that I It Feels So organic though the transitions in the songs. So I've always wondered was that a conscious decision or is it just like if your voice is right for this song you sing on it? If it's not maybe you take the back seat on this song and you'll get another moment. You know what I mean? How does that how does that work for you guys? Yeah. Yeah. I mean like there's not like there's not really like the whole like ego issue and or you know, it's like it's not quite like a it's not a boy band but just a group of dudes that I was writing these songs and all singing them. Like together which I guess when you say that it does sound like a boy band but it's not it's more of a group. I guess. Well, that's the case then the Eagles and the Beatles were boy bands. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, perhaps but yeah, like everyone like kind of writes their parts and you know, whatever like naturally sounds the best like everyone wants the best for this arm. So if you know if I sing a part that JP wrote or vice versa or something like that like there's no issue there. It's just we want to get the best product and whoever's voices, right, you know kind of just happens like now. Really like as you write the song sorry. Well, that's your voice man. That's just that's part of it just pounded a pound of white cloth now with their habit for everyone who is a fan of seven one five and was a fan of Studio boy before seven seven one five. I'm sure that they are wondering are we going to get a taste of that token student boy wrap flare in future seven? Seven one five songs. Yeah, like I think definitely was it called there's you know, There's with week. It's you know, everything's pretty tame for the most part. Like it's it's a more I think mainstream kind of song then some of the other ones we have some songs where you know Stu really Sue really rips on him and doesn't like wild signing versus like same with everybody on vocals and you know, it's there's definitely gonna be some some Stewie moments for sure. Oh hell yeah. Thanks get excited for that. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean we expand out for what Two weeks now, roughly I think so. Yeah so sounds and it seems to be doing really well when can people expect more more songs are an album or what's the future for you guys? Yeah. We don't have like a hundred percent plan on doing a full-length or EP just yet. But there's definitely a bunch of singles in the next, you know, turning the new year. I think like, you know, spring and summer I think that we're just going to be dropping a lot of a lot of heat, you know. So toads I would say for that but yeah, we're trying to get trying to get on the road pretty soon as well. So coming to a city near you. Yeah, I hope very near because you know, we'll be there. Yeah, that'd be awesome might be sooner than you think. Okay. Okay so we can talk about that but that's fine. That's fine. I just want to see you again man. That'd be cool some cool plans. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. I'm hoping some dope support stuff if you can say That could be could be great. All right fair enough. It could be a movie. Who knows? Yeah. All right now coming to a theater near you now, you know, we're talking a lot about how you guys are all singers and you guys are all you know, just there's no one really in the background. It's all everyone's really up front. I know that you know in your past bands you were kind of if not the frontman one of the few frontman of the band. How does it it doesn't like You know quote unquote take a load off to not be the only front guy or do you kind of miss being the guy up front or is it really an issue yet? It's like for me like honestly, it's a breath of fresh air. Like there's a lot of pressure when you're the only one on stage or like, you know, yeah, even like my in Hollywood. Anyway was me and Camera like, you know, there was a lot of just like I was you know, he was always playing guitar and I had the free Mike and I was like, there is a lot of pressure on you to do all the talking to do all the all this thing. Like if your voice is shot. There's nobody else. Come back you like saving for that like so with this it's super nice because I can kind of like get to have like a relaxing like Concert Experience. I mean, it could be a hype show. I'm going to be like somebody wild but like less less stress so much less stress, you know, it's not all the pressures not on me to kind of enter entertain like the audience with with banter and and all that stuff, you know, so it's kind of cool. I can only imagine what kind of insane bands are you guys are gonna get into. I'm sure it's going to be on some like Alex gasps grunts Jack. Eric at level. It's gonna be some silly stuff. I'm sure for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, it's cool and plus like, you know, like dude like when we used to do, you know, the last tour we did with Hollywood any was like, you know, we did like 14 shows in a row in the UK or some like that was like no brakes. If I like the fifth day my voice just like blown out or doing like hour-and-a-half sets and it's just like it's just hard to do that. So having like, you know in each song just having like my part that I sing. I'm doing some harmonies here and there when I want or just like You know, whatever ad-libs and stuff in the back like that that's going to take like a ton of the pressure and you know, because we all we like to party. Well, I think that's a parent if you've seen the music video nice party. Well, my name is Andrew and I like to party no no Andrew. I like to party on The Party Guy when you mean we can both like to party. No we can't. All right. Well, I like to party in. My name is Andrew. Yeah, no big so it kind of you know, it helps out for sure. Lee ya know one thing that I find interesting is that you you talk about you guys as a band and you are a band but it almost seems like you're more of like a pop group because like you dial so heavily into week it wouldn't hip-hop sensibilities granted. We only have this one song so far so we don't know where it's going to go but it's interesting to hear you say that with what we have been given so far emphasis on the band you've used that a lot. Yeah, you know we do, you know, we're going to have guitar and every single song which gives it, you know, because Danny Danny riffs and he's a big part of it as well. You know, I'm on the music side so they can now that there is band aspects of it. But there also is like group aspects and I think nowadays like it's like the lines of genres are kind of being blurred way more than they ever have before so it's like I'm not like it when someone asked me like how to describe the band. It's kind of like it's kind of hard to do because Like pop elements. There's Rock elements. There's you know, there's wrapped elements. There's like email stuff like some of the stuff that either come out as like sounds like emo band shit, you know with like hip-hop and it's it's interesting. You know, it's so hard to describe what phase of emo are we talking like? Not Third Eye Blind is already. I mean, they're pretty fucking email. But lyrically. Oh Steven Jacobs is very sad. Yeah, but like I mean stuff like somebody I mean, We draw from you know, everything like we I grew up listening to all the same, you know, same same like seen band shit that you guys did as well. That was like my life for you know that got me into music and stuff. Yeah, who is one of your biggest type of scene in Francis? I mean, I love volleyball was like my number one growing up. I was huge on them trying to think who else still loves under oath, like for some reason that's like one of his favorite. Yeah. I don't know like just the whole Warped Tour see And like Bamboozled and all this stuff is just like that was in my life and that's definitely still reflects in the way that I write whether I saying like an end and a lot of like, you know our music because we all grew up with the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean dude. We were so lucky to have bamboozle, you know, it's unlike warped or that thing didn't travel. It was just in New Jersey. So I got a so good. I saw a little Wayne there which is why Colin Bruno Mars and that was cool Katy Perry played I think maybe did she Kesha there's a whole thing up. Kesha yeah, it was probably catch. I don't remember Katy Perry. Yeah, Katy Perry Katy Perry played works. That's right. Yeah, that was a really cool. And then the break contest was like when we were we were like what like 15 like 14 years old. Yeah, that was intense. That's what gave me my First Merch start was the break contest and I was huge you open the door for me man. I know wide open Kick the right down the right down almost got thrown out of the chance for throwing in after September bracelet on stage during what's-her-name Hit The Lights. Security guard came over. He's like, you can't throw shit on stage. I should throw you out. I'm like nah, dude, I gotta pass. He's like, I don't care don't throw anything on stage and like, okay all 14. Relax. Yeah. That's so fine. Yeah some scary security there. Alright be the chance. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's unfortunate. Yeah, but like we were so blessed. Yeah, you know, we all grew up there like, you know, that was where like I've kind of like really fell in love with music and danced and like the whole like community of it and I made like just you know, both of you guys have been well, you know Chris like I made like friends with you just through you know through fucking playing shows together and stuff. You know, I don't know how else we would have found each other like maybe like some sketchy internet chat sites. Listen, this this podcast wouldn't exist. If it wasn't for the pickup see scene of the early 2000s. Yeah. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was a lot of a lot of bands and a lot of like a lot of, you know kids in our in our scene and our friend group and stuff wouldn't be doing Stuff that they were without like growing up in that so absolutely cool stuff. Yeah. It was a really cool Think Tank, I think for all of us to sort of develop in and like push each other especially yeah exactly like as much as I you know as much as I hate battle of the bands, like without like the break contest like being nervous, if you're going to get to this next round with your friends band, you don't want to be that band that didn't make it, you know like that really I think triggered something inside of it. Yeah. I mean everybody pushed each other and it was cool about it like back then was like that. The scene was just it was so had such a big spectrum of genres kind of you know, it's like there's there's pop bands and there was you know, there's punk bands. There's metal bands. There's like Black Death whatever like I think Chris was in there one of each of those kinds of bands at one point. Yeah. I ran the gamut there's like Never Never Shout Never kind of shit, like, you know, like there's all sorts of different stuff and everybody like was accepting of you know of everyone's kind of style music. It wasn't like if you weren't Metal like you know, you're a bitch or some like that like everyone's like supportive. You can see like the metal kids in the crowd for the pop bands and vice versa. And so it was really supportive seeing is a cool place to grow up in and kind of learn. Yeah. It really drove home the community sense in music that you know, we all here when we listen to like the documentaries of like our favorite Rock guys. They're like, well, it's just like, you know, like, you know, I can call up so and so on they'll play on my song because like, you know, we've all reached a certain point but But I mean that that like showed me that's a real thing. You know that particular scene. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, like a lot of like big artists like grew up like, you know grew up in the same kind of scene and stuff and sure they're still homies today. It's just like a cool thing about music and just like brings people together. Yeah might be the first person I ever say that I mean good thing. We have a recorded. Yeah, you definitely might just might be the puts you on the map put that one on my gravestone. So Tyler, how do you find because you obviously me. Bandmates, well, you know you toured through LA and you met everyone once you left back Ipsy. So how do you find you know living in LA to where you started off with that sense of community? Like is it a little more Cutthroat out there or or is it not like what people hype it up to be, you know, it's interesting because they're like, you know subsections is and liking us there's clicks and it's and it's all like that but I mean, it's the most part like we moved out here, you know with, you know already having like a good group of friends and And then from that, you know, we knew people already out here and then you know, when we start throwing the parties it gave us like a really good, you know opportunity to meet a lot of people because our friends and invite people their friends would invite their friends and it would just be like, yeah, it could everyone was super super cool and I made it super easy for us to kind of immediately like integrate ourselves into you know, the LA kind of kind of seen as far as music goes and stuff. So yeah, it was kind of easy and but it's definitely still Cutthroat. I mean it's way more competitive than you know back when we were kids. But like this is like it's more I guess big-time artist. I feel like are like also in the same like, you know competition with you as you're as you're trying to start as well. So you have to be better than everybody to like get your foot in the door. And that's that's where it kind of gets hard. But yeah, it's a It's a fun place. So that's for sure now. I mean, it seems like it you guys always got something going on out there. Yeah, it's pretty non-stop. It's kind of exhausting but it's also it's also keeps things interesting for sure. The City of Angels man something like that Emblem3 said it best man. They love la I love La. There you go. As far as I call back, I don't even know what that's a reference to three was a boy band. They have a song called. I love La it's just so pretty self-explanatory. Not my area of expertise. Yeah, it's okay. So Tyler, what do you hope to avoid doing with seven seven? Five that you may have done like, you know wrong and other bands. I'm trying to learn something right now, you know, like what do you hope to because because you know, you've gotten very far music farther than most of my friends ever have thought they could get you know what I mean, but there's always still something to learn. I'm sure thanks there. I was punching in the dark but God. Yeah. I mean, I think I think a big thing is like not like sweat the small shit and like and let Egos and and dumb shit. Between in between you guys because ultimately the end of the day like you're all just best friends and that's kind of what a band should be. But at the same time you're also in a business together and that makes that brings interesting like different kind of things that if you were just friends we wouldn't have to worry about so it's kind of like being able to keep those things separate and just you know, ultimately just have fun and enjoy what you're doing, you know, it's kind of simple as that just Don't let the ego, you know, kind of get in your head or whatever. That's what you should put on your Tombstone. Yeah. Yeah. That was very well said I'm glad bag glad I asked you that yeah, we had a we had Derek, you know walk me on our first episode and he had mentioned that while he was on tour with you know, Hollywood ending that you were you gave him a lot of wisdom and I can see where he's coming from. Yeah. It was I was smoking a lot of weed then I think But now playing yeah, I just like and exited an awesome kid, and he was like really easy for me to talk to and you know, we shared like a lot of the same kind of thought processes. And yeah, I don't know. I like to just like to just make people feel good. I don't know like help help my friends out and just any way I can listen I can count on one hand or maybe two hands how many times that you and I have had a conversation. I walked away know that you know what I think this is going to impact my life and then it did I'm Here that this yeah. Just want my boys to thrive with me now. Yeah, I love you man. You're just the best. I love you too, bro, Chris. I love you, too, but I'm no Tyler longer. That's fine. I don't I don't know if I love you, but my boys. Yes, bro is did tell you we love you too. So Tyler on that episode with Derek. We spoke about your driveway and actually catching the Scythe Cipher I think is the proper term for Cipher. Yes, and I know you have jobs. I know you You have shops. Will we hear that you better Sway in the Morning me right now? I'm no no. No, you beat your better traffic with Nadia. That's not even where I was going with it. I just want to know if you're going to use because you know, I don't think Stu has to be the only rapper in your band. I'm just curious if you ever thought of that all I'm definitely confident that any member of seven seven one five can lay down a horde rap verse. Yeah, we can hold it down for sure. I mean that was those so much fun. It's just like, you know, just putting on a beat and then everyone just kind of just like It really helps like this creatively kind of like get into I mean, it helps me with songwriting and stuff. Just freestyling just like became like a thing that we did all the time and like that's a super dope skill to have like not a so I just for wrapping but just to be able to kind of like come up with things off the top of your head like that. That's a huge part of you know, it's a huge part of writing songs. I feel like it's like a really good exercise almost for your brain. Yeah. I learned a lot in the driveway to I remember And how to continue to beatbox with my mouth while laughing at the same time not stopping which I didn't think was possible man. Yo Christie has yeah the hottest bars though and that those are always you did you did you were number one. Tyler was a close second, but you were number one. I think it's all stylistic. I appreciate you guys saying that all I'm going to say is that there will be bars in 2019. So, yes. Listen, Chris know there were a lot of reps in those driveway sessions, but not one. Person besides you could fit a word like paraphernalia into a freestyle rap. Yeah is your yeah you yeah crazy like because silver tongue man spitting the offbeat and such funny funny punchlines to like, which is I guess probably the most important part of rap is like the punch line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's my only that's the only thing I struggle with Tyler. I don't know how you do it because every time I rap I feel like the flow is there I feel like the tone is there, but I can't let you know. At the content is always so silly. I gotta you all you tend to kind of go in a circle with the content to you find one little thing and you kind of Iran fauna and get in it. Yeah, but it's always just like I mean we were always like we were in wrapping to try and impress each other. Nobody was like, yeah. Yeah, we're all just like just trying to like, we really just trying to rhyme what we just ate a sandwich and you're like, holy shit just like laughs, you know hard and you always delivered like the funniest shit that was still really impressive. I'll say I'll say that Chris born maybe had you beyond just absurd topics to coherently rap about but you definitely topped it with just like the great punch lines and just like something we were not expecting to hear. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Chris born went hard. But I mean that's what happens after you eat a fat sandwich with your boys to do ya things just sit in the van in the driveway and just internet rap beats. Just yell. Yeah internet rap beats man. I thought I'd be crying laughing and that was yeah. That was a good ass time. Yeah. It's very few times that York. And into a car with like five other dudes in you're having a blast and you don't want to get out of the car has usually a nightmare situation pretty much storing Maya my voice can't handle that anymore. Yeah, it's my voice can't handle that type of like hanging out late yelling in a car anymore. It's upsetting II still do it sometimes but I guess I was growing up. Yo, it's it's practice practice makes perfect. If you do it all the time, you know, it's like a muscle you'll get used to it. Maybe I'm just out of shape you got You gotta start raging get back our region. Get back to the back to the screaming at 4:00 a.m. Yeah, seriously man. Well, we can't all be his rambunctious is D money. All right. No true. Dan was so funny when he got on the mic. Oh my God, he's so funny and then might he still has bars. My favorite thing was how Jeremy would always just sit there. Yeah my you never say anything with you just be a part of it and he would just be laughing so hard though. Here's Jeremy's thing. Oh, No guy, that's all he would contribute but it was great. Yeah. Oh my God, that's not my know. Yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely go way back and that's why I like we're just super incredibly excited to like see you starting off on this new Journey with seven seven one five, you know, it's like really surreal to see that if you actually work hard and put the effort in and most importantly I think pick yourself up when you're down you can eventually get to where you you need to be. Yeah, thank you so much, man. I mean it's a lot of work and I was you know, I started seeing my first band when I was like, you know 20 every night. That's when he fucking like 13 now. I'm 20, I'm 24 now. So, you know, I we just I saw my first record deal, you know, which is not like that's not the make or break thing was like by any means but it's a it's a long grind you have to be in it for the long haul and there's gonna be a ton of shitty, you know she times but there's also going to be like it's you do it for All the awesome times that comes along with doing. You know, what we do. Yeah. I'm just I'm just happy and I'm excited for you guys and this new show and your band is dope and that's the angle is fucking hot. I'm stoked for you guys. Thanks, man. I mean the goal is La when we get there. I don't know but at some point hopefully sooner than later the goal is to get out there. So hopefully we can be chilling a little more it personally, that'd be my dream. I'm so sorry. When you look at the whole band on the show speak speaking of dreams, you know, you were talking about talking a lot about the past we're talking about the Future Let's combine. The two you you're saying that seven seven five is hopefully going to be touring pretty soon and you've toured not only America but a lot of few countries around the world what country specifically besides America are you excited to get to with seven seven one five to play a show? Well, I the UK has always been a really awesome place. Her for us and the fans are kind of Next Level and they really they support you. They really really support you. Japan was also like one of the coolest places I've ever been. It's like take a different world, but it's so so dope and everybody they're just so like kind and just yeah, they're they're just fucking dope people and I'm excited to go back there. Hopefully we do. I'm sure you will. Yeah, how has the reception been in those places? places in regards to the new single I've seen a lot of love on my Twitter and stuff from the UK. I want to say I have with Japan to but you know, we only went there once and put a couple shows so I don't know how big that fan base is, but hopefully, you know, it starts getting spun out there. I'm some stations and then we start seeing some love. So I'd be pretty pretty fucking dope. I'd be so excited to go back. Yeah, believe it or not Tyler. We are unfortunately nearing the end of our episode with you. Although I could talk to you all day. It feels like we're going to talk about 15 minutes. I know is this yeah, not so fast. No, I know it's crazy. But so what can you tell us about what to expect for the future of seven seven one five? Where can we find you and the rest of the guys in the band and you know, let us let us in a little bit. It's gonna be a yeah this next year I think is gonna be really really really big year for us. It's gonna be exciting. Yeah. I think there's gonna be a lot of radio push and a lot of really cool songs dropping. Hopefully a lot of a lot of Boring, you know just playing shows and getting out there and getting to you know, play shows again. It's going to be super exciting. Yeah. I'm just I'm excited and I think everybody should be too I'm just excited for people to you know, hear the stuff. We've been working, you know hard for a long time on it. So and where can we find you online the band and maybe even your personal? Yeah at seven seven one five official is the Twitter and Instagram. That's the That we do most of our posting Everything YouTube same thing seven. Seven one five official across the board. My Twitter is what is it? Not Tyler Wilson, even though this I was going to say but but it is the same with Instagram. Yeah it is it actually me. Yeah, I'm probably not username as well. Not underscore. Aw, Jimmy. I feel ya fun. Yeah, it definitely confused Twitter for sure because they when I change my thing over like they have to re-verify you and they didn't re-verify me because cuz they thought it was legitimately not Tyler Wilson so I can imagine how frustrating that might be truly stressful. Just just super stress. Well tell you what wasn't stressful this conversation and it's not you were a delightful guest and a great surprise. You got you guys hold it down and I'm telling you I'm really impressed. You guys are sick. I'm stoked to hear more more episodes and stuff. Yeah, dude. So are we so we can count on you liking and subscribing then a hundred percent. Wow, you guys should be like Tyler like Subscribe. Yeah, the 50 Cent episodes can be so sick Curtis. He's a good friend of mine. He said I mean that would be insane but now we have a couple we have a couple of mutual friends coming on that. I think you'd like to listen to and hear talk about stuff so excited. Yeah. Well, hey man, thank you again so much for giving us your time. If you guys want to hear more follow him at his Pages seven seven one five official and there is not Tyler Wilson. Yeah. Thanks for thanks for being on we're gonna have some too weak again right now. All right, enjoy. Thank you guys for having me. I'm sure I'll talk to you guys soon. I'm Sami. Thanks, man. See you later boys. Well, the sun goes down in the west comes up in the Eastern side, but we makes and I don't know what's in my car. They keep filling up. I don't want them out. So I keep track till I lose count it started with one drink the ground. But I never listen, I don't party Don't Wanna Miss. It's a place right down the road where you won't find oversee weekdays turning the weekends when the Sun goes down in the West. Slapping the eastern time for the rematch and I don't know it seemed like I just know that I'm too freaked out. I spent because it keeps filling up but I don't want them out. So I keep track till I lose count it started with one drink. Days, since I hit the ground running.

Welcome to the second episode of "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris"! We are back with another very special episode, today's guest Tyler Wilson, of "7715"! Long time friends Tyler, Andrew, and Chris invite you into one of their classic chill sessions, replicating what was sitting in Tyler's car at his old house in New York, catching up and talking about life, music, and everything in-between! 7715 consists of Stu Da Boi, Tyler Wilson, JP Clark, and Dan Geraghty. Though the specific details may be a little foggy now, the story of 7715 Bluebell Avenue in Southern California comprises parties to rival Project X and The Hangover, magical impromptu late-night jam sessions, and the start of an eternal friendship. The five lifelong musicians penned a song together in order to help Stu get over a breakup during January 2018. The intersection of their voices—namely Stu, JP, and Tyler—proved undeniable when backed by Dan’s production and instrumentation. Throughout 2018, the boys wrote and recorded perfected a signature sound along the way. Keep up to date with 7715 on their Social Media: Facebook: www.facebook.com/7715official/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/7715official/ Twitter: twitter.com/7715official Listen to 7715: Spotify:open.spotify.com/artist/7ulwdbrt0k19Jm8Ub0MBxo Apple Music: itunes.apple.com/us/album/week-si…828994?app=music YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UC8d9sSPGOUM_i6IjaVUxVLA Soundcloud:  @7715official Keep up to date with Tyler: Twitter: twitter.com/NotTylerWilson Instagram: www.instagram.com/nottylerwilson/ Keep up to date with Andrew and Chris: Instagram: Andrew: www.instagram.com/not_awgyomai/ Chris: www.instagram.com/christianevanko/ Twitter: Andrew: twitter.com/awgyomai Chris: twitter.com/ChristianEvanko Follow Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": http://smarturl.it/fgtnwr Listen to Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": http://smarturl.it/fgtnwr Subscribe to "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris" Podcast: Apple | Spotify | Google Play | YouTube | SoundCloud As always, "Stay Sweet!"

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This is Orange is the New Black after show here at AfterBuzz. I am your host Brianna Cheyenne with my lovely co-host here Francesca. Hey, girl. Hey girl, we have so much to talk about today. This episode was awesome. This is In seven episodes 7 me as well as well. And so Caputo confront Susan that's really major and awkward realize ice is not letting lawyers get to the Deport will not the deportees potential deportees. Is that what they're called and detain detainees? That's what it's called. They're called detainees. Yes, and then puts a Tucky might be dyslexic, which is very common so long Yeah, explains a lot and Piper is out here while in having sex just throwing it out there. So if I think she's trying shrink so we have so much to get into as well as just as special segment your favorite. Yes, because she's always winning special segments the first I want to get into your overall thoughts. Um, I thought this episode was really good. I feel like I've just every episode this season is just Jam-packed with yeah so much stuff and I was I was very happy to see my prediction that I've been predicting for a handful of shows with Alex Alex true. That was weird. I was not feeling I mean I saw it coming to but it's still just lie Ike's McColl is so awkward and thirst. Oh, she's anyways. Anyways, you think I loved this episode. I really really enjoyed it. I was squirming when Caputo went to Susan's house the worst the worst. First of all guys always listen to your woman. Yes, they all. Yes know what they're talking about. It might not make sense to you. But just trust what she saying. This is were already talking about Caputo. Let's just stay on topic. It's Caputo took first of all, he purposefully had a Full blown conversation with Figueroa about what he should or shouldn't do how he should handle the conversation and for goes straight out stud. Let it blow over interestingly enough in a very Figueroa style. She said she's a woman America doesn't care about women. It's going to pass and she always keeps it real. She always keeps it real and so I was disappointed that he didn't just take her word for it because you know Figaro knows what she's talking about. Listen, he was probably messed up on His ball medication he had his keys on his balls like yes, he wasn't thinking clearly clearly thinking. Well, I'm glad to see that last episodes news about the whole me to thing didn't stop him mid surgery for me. Like I can't do it. Yeah more because I thought he was going to have a dramatic moment, but I'm glad he went through with it. Yeah, so, yeah he Went to the smoothie shop. Oh my gosh, I forgot about him. I forgot about him. I'm so mad like on his name again to me too. And he okay. He just was the ultimate creep. I honestly can't remember him in the like I remember him in the show, of course, but I don't remember him as a character but like ill I remember him being creepy too though. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean he was just extra keep creepy and but the one thing this has nothing to do with Like the bulk of what we're talking about for the show, but I hated that he said I'm going to go on a break and it was literally like five minutes in the girl was like I get back here. He's on a break girl relax relax cheese. You can't make five smoothies a chill. Well, they should have cut that break short because he gave him the worst possible Lagarde and then Caputo went with it. He said talks are her and let's see these women. First of all, you start no piece of advice with These women you know, it's gonna go bad at talking about just listen to her explain your side. Listen to her side. Oh no and the Caputo does it like how did you feel when he was telling him that I was just rolling my eyes? Yeah, it's obvious that sometimes guys are so oblivious to how they make women feel and how they go about the situation. It almost reminds me of Like when people when guys approach girls and girls are like, oh I have a boyfriend and there then they keep going and keep going. It's like just let let what is it? What's the term let? Oh my God, let well-being be yourself. Yeah. I know you're saying Healy is his name. He Healy. Yes. Yeah. He's a perfect example of that because he had his own situation and the previous Seasons because he had a male. I'll order bride and it was very obvious you remember now barely but yes, there you go. He has a male over bride and he it shows that he's one of those desperate guys and he just wants everybody to like him. So gross even in his own personal life. So for Caputo to go to somebody like him of all people and he was going to kill himself and the last the last time we saw him he was going to drown himself in the ocean because his wife didn't really love him and everything. Was pumping down I forgot about he was a train wreck. Yes, definitely go to train ranks for advice. Yeah, right and then he goes to Susan's house and he gets so I first he admits to it you never admit something like that, but it just shows the type of heart. He has like, yeah, he was definitely trying but he definitely should have listened to to Natalie. Yeah. Yeah, he goes and basically just it snowballs it just did. It's worse and worse and worse and worse. Yeah, and I actually was hoping she would have closed the door on him completely the first time but you know, she opened it up and let him keep talking but he doesn't didn't make anything better. And then of course the next thing you know that they're he's kind of like arguing at her. Hmm and then his Stitch pops out. I think the funniest part of the whole thing was when he literally grabbed his balls and stuff, but it's Sounded like he was getting off. It's just like this to fire knee. She was like, oh my God, and then she slammed the door hilarious because that's what you get. That's what and and because he was dumb enough to go do that. Then she dropped his name on Facebook. So before like if you had just listened to to Ali Natalie, it would have just like she said die down. Yes instead now. His name is being brought out there. Yeah, but I also really Love how lip-lip luschek loose check their ego Rugrats luschek kept like commenting commenting on Facebook posts hilarious. And he's the worst one because luschek had the worst reputation. I mean, he's a whole mess himself. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting when she explained why she felt the way she felt she said that Caputo fired her because she didn't give him His advances. Hmm and he said you're a terrible guard. What do you mean but she perceived things so differently and I'm it just makes me feel like what if you just you guys communicated there's there could have been so much avoided if they communicate it may be but like You know, he's communicating with her now. That didn't go well either I think some people just have certain mentalities, I guess and feel certain and also if someone feels uncomfortable no matter what someone else says they're going to keep thinking it's something that it's not so I just I think from the beginning like that was just some yucky situation. I don't think I could have gone either way if they had just talked. Yeah, but true instead of him keeping her on he should have like fired her earlier because then it did Keep. Keep that going. Yeah, because she said well, why didn't you just give me a warning before you fired me? And let's be real people don't always give you a warning when you're about to get fired. Especially if you're doing a really bad job at your job. Yeah, so she can't really be mad at him too much about that. I can't wait to see how Figueroa handles this. Yeah. I do feel like it's going to keep dragging out. I think especially because he flipped it on her and said you should you benefited from my kindness. That's the worst thing. You can do is try to make a victim feels small right a victim feels smaller than what she already feels, right? So because I mean even if we don't agree, she's a victim that's what she feels like so but yeah with with Natalie and Ward giving her advice, I feel like Natalie is going to have to come in and kind of like, yeah save poor Caputo exactly and he's very lucky. He has a strong woman like Figaro around but we're also lucky that we have amazing. Fan, we are lucky that watch Amazing fans. And so I need you to give ya a Moore's and before we go on to our next topic. We just wanted to say thank you all for being our fans and making us the ESPN of TV talk. We appreciate all your help and making us grow. And if you're on YouTube right now, please press Thumbs Up Hit subscribe. And if you're listening on iTunes write as 5 Stars leave us comments on both YouTube and iTunes were always. Sing are you on live right now? Yes, I am. We're on live right now if you want to say what's up? And yeah, thanks for being a part of AfterBuzz TV. We see you Nick lie. Hey, Nick. Hey, Nick. All righty. The next thing I really wanted to touch on is this whole ice situation? I kind of put ice as a tent topic because there's just so much going on within the deportation Center. But the first thing we have to talk about is Blanca And her finessing but she really pulled her little like immigrant card. Yeah ice agent who's hot but not because he's such a little he's so gross. I hate his everything his personality is disgusting and she knows how to stroke that ego girl. Oh, she stroked it. You know what this I thought it was funny sidebar really fast. And that was funny that he was like, where's my glasses and the other guy? It's on the back of your head. Yeah, and he had a nurse look at him like really? No that's too literally where it is. But yeah, you know, we saw that she was trying to like instead of instead of just asking Carla for help. She's trying to sneak and see what she was doing and they started arguing and he comes and he plugs it and yeah, she pulled that accent out of nowhere and you know Made him feel so Macho and everything and he was able to turn the computers back on but I thought it was so funny that he thought he was so cool. Because to Kim about to put on my music. Yeah. He said listen to Jason Mraz. Yeah. Sure. Make sure the volumes down first the whole Raz. First of all what year we I don't know the last song ji-sun Rise came out. I don't think I've ever listened to any of his songs a sorry. Yeah. That was funny. Yeah. I like I love to seeing Blanca in that way because she got what she wanted. But she also got what she wanted from Carla because now Carlos looking her at her more as a an ally yes. And before they had this weird situation where it was kind of inmates versus detainees and yet you guys are all in the same predicament, but they were looking down at the ones with previous jail experience. Yeah, but now everybody's in the same boat same boat and I think it's hard because it's kind of like when people like oh, I love your jacket and your like like, where'd you get it and you're like, I don't want to tell you I don't want you to know and that's how Carla was kind of being like choose focus on herself. She doesn't want to have to worry about someone else but I do like that they kind of came together at the end because really like you need each other in a place like that. Like if you can help each other out like we saw Maritza before she left. Yeah. She was like, you know, what like we're all in this. Let me let me help everyone out. Unfortunately that didn't have the same positive outcome, but I'm happy that they Carla and Blanca were able to like start and you know having this little like you said a lie a lie ship I like ship we can get going with that gun. Yeah, I really do like that. They did come together. It was very necessary. And now that they have access with the computers. They have to figure out a way to kind of fend for themselves legally because ice isn't allowing the lawyers to come and see potential client. Right and it's crazy. Because they said when they say it there they claim that the lawyers are inciting a riot. Oh, yeah than the detainees. You know, that's just it's so sad because I'm sure stuff like that really goes on and you know, if someone doesn't want something to happen and they have some sort of higher up power. It's not going to happen and you know, a lot of people who don't have the resources, you know, get gets screwed really and that's sucks. So What was it was it Gloria was saying it could be like a month. Yeah, I'm uh longer. Yeah, and you know, they don't have time for that. So they going to have to they have to fend for themselves. Definitely. So I'm glad to see that they're taking matters into their own hands and seeing how long they can put that off. But while they're going through their more dramatic serious situations Nikki's getting her freak on in the freezer with all the foods and condiments that is like a health code violation. And I'm a sanitary Nikki you can get off somewhere else not where the food is. I mean, I had a feeling that was coming but they would you know, yeah, they have their little kiss and everything. But how do you feel about their relationship? It's I don't know. It's strange just it's unlikely I guess would be the word as unlikely. But I mean Nikki had her eyes on her from the beginning. Yeah good for her for willing it, you know, I Put it out. There you get it and he always puts it out there on sulfur like she's just out there. She doesn't care. He is out there. I just wonder what it is about this Egyptian girl. I'm sorry for calling her at the Egyptian girl because I can't remember her name. I don't really think that you acknowledge Him but I wonder what it is about her that makes Nikki kind of nervous because when they were talking by the sink, she said something about I only care about dreams if are having sex. Oh, yeah, and then you kind of saw her feel nervous and weird when she turned around and she kind of made a face and then the girl gave her a really really a little reassurance like know giving her that feeling of I am into you and Yahweh and Nikki's never felt nervous like that. Yeah. Usually Nikki always always feeling in control, you know, she has like really deep feelings movies. Like that's cute. I don't know how long that's going to last because if she gets deported tomorrow, You're going to bounce back. It's on to the next one. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's we will see where that fling goes because that's exactly what it is. And let's hope they don't get anything on the food, you know do you out please please and wash your hands wash your hands wash your hands nasties. What do you think about when they were in the freezer and Nicky started freaking out because the girl tried to go down on her, I would honestly I was confused. I was trying to remember it did something happen previously where Nikki didn't like feeling vulnerable. I don't know. Was it something with Lorna? I honestly couldn't remember if you guys remember could see you just drop us a comment because I was yeah, I was I was thinking did something happened. I can't remember or is she's just like so nervous cause I feel like Nikki kind of always talks the talk. Yeah, and she doesn't necessarily always get to walk the walk. Yeah, or like just like her Persona and her showiness so I can remember I can't I Rely was really trying hard to shoot. I feel like I'm gonna pass out. I know that note. I should have a health problem that we forgot about not help. Hey ladies funny Maymay interrupting the minute. This is Josh in the booth. So the name of the Egyptian detainee is Shawnee Shawnee. Thank you. Jinxy. Thank you Josh Shawnee Sean so much because I felt so bad. Yeah. Hey Shawny, so I can't wait to see what happens with Shaunie Sean and Nicky. That's the we'll see where that goes red is just getting Weird I know at I mean we had that brief little moment with her that she's she wrote down her like cheat sheet basically and it's tough because I we were talking about this, you know, two episodes ago that it must be so hard when you know that you're going through it, but it's something that you can't really control. So she's when she's coherent in the present. She's reminding herself what to do, but you know, she looked at it like two or three times. Yes fan of like 15 seconds, so You know, that's I know we're going to definitely see more with that but and it was simple stuff on it. Yeah, like turn on her don't ya stir the food so sad easy stuff and we saw Shawnee kind of point that out to Nikki to and she said well, why does red work the kitchen if her food is so bad? Oh, yeah. That's right. They have that conversation. How do you think Nikki handled that? When she was explaining I'm thinking really answered it. But you know, I don't know and we saw her right in the freezer at the end kind of like it is cowering in the corner. I don't know. I feel like Sean Sean. He's going to know anyway, she's going to figure it out. Yeah, I mean she might be the one to say red might be mentally sick and going through something. I can see her being the one to point that out because she's not within the group but rightly, so Thing is off and she's bold enough to say something because everyone else is kind of keeping it. Hush-hush and acting like it's not a problem. I know that they're trying to look out and think of Reds emotional well-being. Yeah, but yeah, maybe she will say something. Well someone who is going out there and putting it all standing for you getting freaky. It's Piper who we thought we didn't have the balls to really Lee explore this open relationship past I don't like yeah, I really didn't think she was going to do it. I thought she was going to be stuck with that vibrator. It's that we open up with like that was so awkward. And when when when her brother is fianc are wife, sorry was like we already know you orgasm so you could ya come out. Yeah it was and then she called her a chronic masturbator her brother for them. Like he wanted to be sick, but it's so funny because It's a brother like I feel like he wasn't fazed by it by what the the masturbating thing yet. Like it's so weird. I don't know they have like a I don't know. He's like weird. He's weird. I think he I feel like he looked a little awkward during the conversation in the kitchen. I mean, I don't want to talk to my brother about what he's doing and the bedroom and he's moaning. The fact that conversation was even going on that's like super weird. It would have just been like if that would have happened in my household. I would just spin like that awkward thing. You don't talk about yeah that elephant in the room. Yes that you just ignore. Yeah, so she goes out and she goes to the gym. She sees this guy actually work out at the gym where she just went to that shift work out. How did you afford to get there? But she clearly doesn't have a membership. But anyway, she sees this guy leaving and they catch each other's eye. That was awkward to that was so awkward. I didn't know she was going to be so bold about their exchange because he's trying to make small talk. Oh, you're an accounting what? French Lick look I don't give it you know where you work. You don't care where I work straight to the point straight to the point and then you hop to the vet seem so awkward. Word of paper tonight is awkward. What did you think about besides just describing it as awkward like it was just painful. Well, what did you think about when she went to the bathroom to professional cook his toothbrush? Because if I rated I mean So, I mean first of all, the guy was kind of being wait like he was he was kind of talking too much too much like yeah, it just wasn't doing it for her and I was actually really surprised that she picked a guy as her first equipment quote Conquest. I thought she would have gone with like a woman first, but she was probably like needed to finish and just use this toothpaste the fact that he Like is that might can you imagine that it will and then as you can take a toothbrush take it good night. You don't have to buy me a new one. Just take it and leave. Could you imagine as a man? You think you're doing it? I thought he was doing and then you hear the in the bathroom. And you know, it's your dupe brush. That's so gross ego not boost. I think part of part of me feels like she didn't go with a woman first because maybe she felt like it would be He cheated. Yeah, like more cheating. Yeah, so but then she does try almond and that I thought I thought that was going to be good for her and I thought that was going to start a strain within her relationship with Alex and this was going to be someone she was going to see more often right because they're at the meetings together. Yeah. Nope. So what do you think the issue is? I think it's just that she really likes Alex role of I mean there there's always forget that they're Mary Mary they're married. Um, and so she I think it's a mental block. It's completely mental and she just doesn't want to harm Alex even though Alex is the one telling her to do this. So she's just not she's not that in that mind frame. Yeah, I can see that. It is hard especially technically it is a long distance. Relationship and when you have that emotional connection with someone it makes it hard to even look at anybody because she said that when she was talking to her brother and his her sister-in-law. I don't want to date. I don't even look at anybody like that. I just want Alex. Yeah, and it is very hard because I done the long-distance thing and it's just super super tough. But I guess you make it work if you try but we saw her breakdown at the end of it. Yeah. Alex and McCollough. Oh, yes closet it. I mean it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen and it happened. Oh my gosh, that is again another awkward moment because McColl is just so weird so weird and I mean, but she's been building up for this so like good for you girl. You set it up and yeah followed through he got in it. She did. I'm curious what I'm thinking. In that kind of going, you know prediction. What I'm thinking is that Alex is going to end up hooking up with Nicole all the time. Why are Piper's going to be like, I can't all the time. Yeah, Dave. Yeah, I can see that but I don't want to believe it. I know only because I feel like Alex is going to hear the voice mail Piper left for her. Yeah. That's tough. Can you imagine you're listening to a voice mail that your partner left for you at the same time you were Hooking up with somebody. Hmm. Is it wrong though? Is Alex wrong for hooking up with McCullough? Because they they kind of agreed on this open relationship today both agree. I feel like I could remember I but I feel like it was more Alex saying Piper because she's out. You know, what can Alex do in jail they know everyone but that Piper she's out and she can meet people so I could I don't remember if but to me it felt like it was more one-sided like she was looking out for Piper. Paper but I because I don't feel like Piper would agree to let Alex definitely not well, would you be mad if you and your loved one had this situation where it is long distance you both got urges. He says for Jessica. I can't do this for you for a good three years right now. Do you and then you find out that he hooked up with a female Warden or female officer? So how would you feel like how would you handle the a no, it wouldn't have even gotten there right there. No, it wouldn't have like there's there's a I'm too old for long distance. Okay, either we together with weeds not who he's not no gray area. I don't know. I try to be I would try to be open-minded, especially if I know I hooked up with two people already most likely knowing Piper within the same week back to bag. So I would try to not be judgmental about it because if I have needs you have needs but it does like you said make it a sticky situation because it wasn't clear if Alex could do it too. Right and then of all people McCulloch someone you have to see all the time. You can't avoid her. Nope, because that because Piper doesn't have to see this guy and this girl ever again. Well, maybe the girl but yeah, maybe the oh, yeah the girls definitely so we'll see how that goes. I want to get into tasty and die has such I don't like their relationship. I don't either at all. It's very toxic and I need somebody to get moved somewhere because but they're they're lifers. Oh, yeah, that's right. Both of them are yeah, so they're going to be dealing with the with each other for a very long time. Do you think tasty is ever going to get to a point where she gets past this whole suicide thing? I hope so. We saw at the end of episode where Ward is kind of like, you know, she finds she finds the story that Suzanne wrote. She's like use this. I'm really hoping that she knock some sense into tasty and gives her thought of Hope because I don't want to see her trying to take her life again, of course, and I just I can't I can't imagine like would last Ended with her getting you know the guilty verdict. Like I can't imagine the season-ending with her like dying either. Yeah me either. Yeah, I can see the season. I feel like I feel like I might have said this before but I can see this season leaving off with her getting a retrial and then not really knowing what yeah, you did say. Okay. Yeah, I would love to see her get a retrial. I feel like Daya is where she is. I don't think she's going to change like a lost. Cause yeah, she's a lost cause at this point. She's really stuck in her ways. She's basically a Leda a younger Aleta. Just I feel like a little bit more Reckless actually because Diane does it at least a Leda is more selfish where she cares about herself dad doesn't care. What happens to die doesn't care at all. She just wants her money. She's just surviving at this point. So that sucks because we love Daya but she has tasty doing some research for her trying to get this Contraband key. Right because they did a sweep and took her phone. Yeah, and so die is out of product and she's going crazy now and she's I don't know. I feel like this whole Contraband key thing with tasty and Ward is going to unravel in some type of really bad bad way. Yeah, I feel that words going to help her with with this whole like getting a new reach. Trial and stuff but then in might be taken back when she finds out all the stuff that tastes he's doing behind her back. Yeah, I would hope she doesn't do that because that seems kind of spiteful even though she did take advantage of your kindness and your trust I would hope that Ward would still allow tasty a second chance at life if she could put something like that to the side. I just yeah, hopefully she doesn't get caught. Hmm. I feel like she will though because die has been dyed doesn't seem very You tight with her stuff right now. She seems kind of all right, because we saw it Eola tell her like I told you to back everything up my camera where it's not like they have like the cloud or do they have a cloud in jail? I don't know but she's not taking her security measures. So I'm sure she'll mess up again. Mmm. Yeah, what did you think about Tasty's exchange with Suzanne at the chicken farm the chicken farm. First of all, that was really cute. That Suzanne was holding the chicken and I don't Know if you notice when it was like zoomed in on Suzanne and the chicken the chicken was just like closing its side or chicken is felt like hot like a headlock because like I didn't sign up for this. Why am I here? I actually was happy that that situation happened when Ward was around because board, you know Ward heard it and saw and then later she sees the little book and I'm happy because right now is what really happened is just been kept a secret. It this whole time and I feel like everyone needs to know the truth. And since Ward is really trying to help benefit all the inmates with her classes. Then the chicken farm and all that that this can get resolved. I could see that I agree. Yeah, I agree. I'm thank goodness for Suzanne writing that story and as she was giving it to the girl that was put around the book. She's gonna put some like sex in it. Yes this but we already saw the van and her nasty book course is an even know what she was really doing my God. That was that was really good. So yes, I think I think that some some good will come out of this. I just need tasty to look towards the light and stop being so freaking stubborn and allowing daya's influence. On her because I feel like if she had at least one person that was in a similar boat as her her future wouldn't seem as Bleak. Yeah, possibly. I don't know but I also I've been thinking this I don't think I've said it yet that diet doesn't want as much as we talk about that daya's like ruthless and and doesn't even care about herself. I don't think guy wants tasty, too. Die and I think that's why she keeps stringing her along with doing things like partly beneficial so like that. She's going to help diet out with the ward and having all this access to stuff but also like the longer I keep her busy the less that she's not gonna that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't look at it like that. So I mean it would be nice to feel that died. A still has some sort of compassion and little glimmer in her heart. Yeah, you know, definitely Definitely didn't look at it like that because you saw when TC had the Contraband key and she said are you going to give me the stuff and Daya said well, how am I supposed to give you stuff? If you give me a bad key right now you're dead and I'm stuck with a bad deal. So that's a very good point. I love that. I want to do a quick shout out to princess a me at me Breen and we brine. I'm sorry. If I'm messing up your name as she said just started watching season 2 but I love watching these live streams because It prepares me for any events in later episodes / Seasons well episodes because this is the last season was but we're glad that you enjoy what I know and I can't believe you like to get spoiled like it spoils trouble for spoilers. Please so we're glad that you're watching. Yes. You did pennsatucky piensa Tookie. I don't like her but she's not necessarily likeable character. She kind of always does crazy things. She's very I think maybe it's not that I don't like her. I just don't care about her story line sometimes what do you think about what do you think about her in general like as a character? I feel like all the characters are product of their environment and that's you know, we've talked about this. That's why we like like seeing their backstories and true. No, but she's kind of always that she's never had the best life either and we get this flashback with her dad who's like recovering from drugs, but he's there she's working at a bar and then they have a beer together and she's also ruled supposed to be not having drugs and like such a toxic way to grow up. She's kind of like her characters like a little kid kind of like like Suzanne but different. Yeah. A little bit more developed and away but still just like not understanding the world. Yeah, but we always knew that there was something a little off with her mentally because she never liked to read anything like that and to No Surprise because like you said she is a product of her environment. So we saw that she was really trying to avoid this pretest and the teacher kept assuring her. It's not serious. It doesn't affect your grade at all and she's just say Saying well, what if I come to class all the time? And then I take the test when I'm ready and it just shows her lack of sensibility. That's not how life Works things come at you when you don't expect it or when you do expect it and you're not you don't want it. Right and you just got to go along with it and she's just saying, well, you know what I quit and I think that's where the childlike mentality comes from. She doesn't like to deal with anything that she can't she thinks that she can't handle but there might be a light at the end of the tunnel because she might Just like that. Yeah, and like the teacher said it's good that if we find out that this is true, it's good that we know that because then we have the tools to help you because it's not it's might be a minor setback, but it's not an end-all be-all exactly. It's something we can work with. I hope that she does take advantage of this new discovery because I can see her getting frustrated and feeling like she's being attacked or fun of because she's dumb because you you watch her dad constantly call her. Her dumb and then smoked a pipe with her right leg in front of her in front of when we supposed to not be doing drugs. She's tucked into. Yeah. Yeah that well they both their relapse. Yeah, but it also back to you know, a product of our environment her dad looks like he was dyslexic. Yeah, because he said then the boat said bass man, but he said been Mass. But yeah, and then he got dizzy when he was like, I didn't know that though. I didn't know that dyslexia. Like if you're looking at a map you can Dizzy, I'm crazy. I didn't know that yeah, that's real. That's crazy. I thought is very wild. Yeah, and that makes sense. Why you jumble up the letters? Yeah. I thought he got to see because he was drunk. So when he felt activists, who knows I could be wrong. It was funny when you saw the father and son just walk off the boat and they didn't even run they saw no threat and now yeah, and so he takes his anger out on pennsatucky. And so that's where she kind of gets. That give up attitude to even with the fish thing. He said I'm not going to be first. I want to try at all and he was always the fish away. So you just killed those fish for no goddamn reason for no reason. Yeah, so hopefully like we said pennsatucky will be able to develop something from this dyslexia diagnosis. I want to test you. Whoo, and we're going to test your memory with another newer version of who said it. I'm like So last time we had three pieces of advice because today was you know, again this episode was full of advice was so I have five pieces of the blue and I know you're going to get one of them because you mentioned when all right. Okay. I was like, wow you think solo of I'm sure you're gonna get all five. Okay. So the first one is let yourself be turned on by your girlfriend cheating. That was McCullough, right? Yeah, Alex. Okay number to get ahead of the Scandal to let that da. Wait with this was you know, this was this the bad advice or this was Natalie. This was Natalie. It was not only the okay number three. Oh wait. No, I'm sorry. It was a guy right? Yeah, that's all right. No, I was right. I was wrong number three is ignore the problem who ignore the problem. Yeah, but that was Natalie. Yeah, that was the one I mixed up that was like that. Okay number four. Learn how to act like a tamed animal. That is a Blanca. Yeah, that's amazing advice. If it's true like it is and honestly, I feel like as women some we kind of have it a little bit easier to kind of play that like legal lab help me see. Yeah, they love that stuff, but they love it and the number five is consider involving erotic stories to keep readers attention the library lady. Yes. Perfect. Awesome. Ding ding ding ding ding. We got you awesome. That was An easy so I want to move on to some amazing prediction episode 8 TV predictions. So I guess I kind of said some of mine but I feel like Alex and McCollough might continue this. Mmm. I don't know how it's gonna go though. Since Piper did leave the the message. Maybe she's not going to hear the message. I don't know but it's definitely going to be the word of the day. Awkward great. Um, I think that Ward kind of instilled some thoughts into Tasties brain about trying to get a retrial or whatnot. So, I hope that that goes that way and II don't I don't think this is gonna happen, but I still kind of want to say it I'm really interested to see like what's going to happen with Doggett in that teacher is he Just gonna be like a shining star in her life, or she going to try and hit on it. That's a good thing that I wonder that too because this last episode made me feel like he's just going to be a cool Mentor in a way that I don't know cause she likes to have what she shouldn't have. I like I like the prediction. You said about McCullough and Alex and I hope to see more about tasty. I really want to see drama with tasty and Monica. You mean Cindy Cindy? Why do I keep doing that? Oh my gosh, maybe something's gonna happen between the two baby. And this is a sign from the it's a storage God the orange orange guards are watching. Yes, so I want to see more with Cindy and Monica what else I can't wait to see what happens with Caputo and this me to thing this is going to go really really really really bad and it's going to be a painful train wreck to watch. But I will watch it but I I'll be right in line first things first in line. That's really it off the top of my head. Those are those are my predictions. Yeah, so we'll see what happens and you guys are going to see what happens to this was an amazing episode. Thank you so much for joining us. Yes, and and yes, thank you so much. We can't wait for the next airing. This is Brianna Cheyenne. I'm your host follow me on Instagram. I am the Just go Cheyenne see hia and an E-1. Can I find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at XOXO Cesc a and make sure you're following us at AfterBuzz TV as well. Yes. Thank you guys our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Always when you have someone who's so has it together because I certainly didn't and I hope you liked this episode. Take a listen. I'm with Trinity Mouzon Wofford the founder of gold. Hi guys. So what is gold? I mean I know what it is. But please please tell us yeah, so gold is a brooklyn-born health and beauty brand that's really centered in the power of Super Foods. So when I heard how you launch I'm still in awe of the fact, you're like, I'm gonna do this and then you did it and it's not like you came out and raised a ton of VC money. You can raise any money. I feel like your Is extraordinarily rare. So can you roll us back the yeah, I gave you the idea. What happened in your upbringing that made you potentially more comfortable with the subject matter or right? Yeah. So going way back. I was raised in Upstate New York by a single parent who is dealing with an autoimmune disease. So my mom has a condition called rheumatoid arthritis, which is essentially where your immune system is attacking your joints. And so all you know my early life. Life growing up. I had that experience of her just not really being able to lead a full life because of that and it wasn't actually until I was in high school that my mom switched over to seeing a more holistically minded physician and saw a massive Improvement in her symptoms. Basically, they were able to get her off of a lot of the really nasty steroid medications that have terrible side effects. And and for once in my life I saw her. You're able to you know, go for a walk around the block without pain and just be able to have fun. And and so that was an eye-opening experience for me to say the least. It ended up sort of pushing me in the direction of wanting to pursue a career in medicine myself. I wanted to practice holistic Wellness in medicine and really be able to help other people that way and so I went down to NYU for college. College and I was pre-med there and all was well, but as I was sort of wrapping up my college career, I heard from my mom that she had had to stop seeing that doctor because she couldn't afford it anymore. But unfortunately the way that the medical system is set up here these sort of holistic treatments aren't covered by insurance. I wonder why don't get me started. That's a whole other podcast. I know why I hate modern medicine, right? So You know, I was getting ready to graduate early 20s sort of having this moment of Reckoning of okay. I am I either going to practice holistic care for the people who can't afford it or am I going to try to fix the u.s. Medical insurance industry neither of which felt super appealing to me at the time so a graduated and ended up sort of falling into a marketing career. How do you fall in a marketing career? Well, Well, I had graduated with a psych degree that I didn't know what to do with and I had heard that startups were the cool place to go. So I ended up at a start-up in the city called castara. That was a marketing software company and I started as their lowest rung sales rep and hated it. I was terrible at it. I was not good at doing the cold calls and I think within a month or so my boss sort of pulled me aside and was What do you actually want to do here? That was nice of them? Yes. They it was a small team. I came on. I was probably I don't remember employee number 10 or 12 or something. And so they had they knew that I was smart and capable and passionate and they ended up by chance transitioning me on to the marketing team and I loved it. It was myself and my boss who was had come from Amazon and before that Harvard. Business school and it was this incredible opportunity for me at a very young age with very little experience to sort of get thrown into the startup world. And sort of wall. I had all of that going on. I still have this really strong interest in holistic health and wellness. And so I knew that I wanted to at some point bring that into my life, but I wasn't really sure how to make that happen. And so I think the the final missing piece there was actually my longtime boyfriend. Who is now also my business partner his parents actually have a family business where we're both from in the Hudson Valley. And so he sort of always served as that window into entrepreneurship for me and what that could look like and so we sort of came together to say okay. Hey, I think that we can build something really cool in the space and make it approachable and and affordable and easy for those who haven't seen your branding your packaging and you're in Instagram it is perfect and it hits the note of like you you want it like you want to consume even even before, you know does good things for you. And I know you told me the story when we were talking because we met over ink magazine, but you know, you said that you guys designed the logo and happy shoots everything and a lot of people if you go on Instagram, like a lot of people shoot stuff and a lot of people design stuff and it's awful. So I want to like distill down how Did you know how to do what you did and yeah, and if you didn't how did you get so good at it? Because it looks amazing. Looks like you know, you hired the best great, you know designing for a New York City and they gave you a great brand right? I think that a healthy dose of naivety was really what was allowed us to sort of push forward when we were first thinking about building this brand we were I don't know 22 23 years old and if I had known how Challenging all of it was going to be I don't know if I would have leptin so so in such a Carefree way, but with the branding side of it, it was really about looking at my own experiences as a consumer in the wellness space and feeling a bit like things were either on one end of the spectrum or the other as far as products went. They were either that sort of crunchy granola stuff that we all know and love or it was this sort of ultra-luxe offering that was coming. Out as of late that felt really inaccessible to me. And so we really just wanted to take this category of superfood wellness and make it a little bit more fun. And so to us that mint color and it meant having a little bit of a different perspective from what was already out there. So we really did just have fun with it and if we didn't take it too seriously, and I think that that was sort of the the magic tell me the roles and Differences between my partner and and what you do? Yeah. So you say my partner he has title is formally I guess our creative director. So he does do all of our design and all of our photo shoots. So all that lovely fun stuff, but he also handles a lot of the more operational stuff as well. He has that background from growing up in a family business. So when we're trying to figure out what boxes we should be shipping in to optimize for rates and things Like that. He's the one that jumps in there and on my end, I would say that you know, I'm serving as the face of the brand but I'm also leading up all the the sales and marketing initiatives and really thinking about long-term strategy for the company and you come up with all the formulations together. Yeah. What was your first product? Yes. Our first product was our original turmeric blend. So it's a powder blend that you can add to smoothies water coffee and it's got of course turmeric but also a bunch of other really Really amazing natural spices like cinnamon. It's also got coconut. And essentially it's a great sort of daily super food supplement for inflammation. So whether that's your skin or your gut it's definitely my morning go to I first learned about turmeric when my mom would like pour it all over anything. She was grilling because she's like it it's it's anti-cancerous. Yeah. Well, it's cancer isn't so I believe but the taste of this tumeric on all of our meat is Aang but I love it tumeric latte now. Yeah, there you go. You managed to grow really quick. Yeah. What do you think is the secret behind that aside from? I don't know it just being so beautiful and catchy they want you want to own it. Yeah. I mean, I think this might sound a little bit cliche but authenticity everything that we do comes from us. Like you said Rebecca. We haven't hired out special design teams to do our branding we do the photography. I write the Instagram captions and I think that the customer can tell and that is what really shines through whether it's on social media or in our packaging when someone's picking it up off of a shelf and I think that's really been something that has been able to serve as a strength for us as we've started to grow. So what has been the hardest part so far or name a few hard part. Yeah. I feel like I can't choose just one. But I mean the first thing that comes to mind for sure is Figuring out how to bootstrap a company that is growing and I think there is inherently a sense of urgency around taking every opportunity to grow that we possibly can because if we don't someone else will take it and and you know absorb our market share and so I've had to really teach myself again and again and again this lesson of growing sustainably and understanding that because we haven't taken Venture money. Money to date we can't expect to have those sort of growth plans. So I think it's also while being excited about growth and encouraging it having an honest dialogue with my partner about what we can actually sustain. Yep, but I also think in America, I don't know outside of America, but there's this idea of like if you if you start a business you have to go from zero to a hundred. Yes in three years or else you're not a success and that's been a trend maybe the last 15-20 years, but prior to that people. Just had their businesses and they grew and they had them right and they kept growing and I'm like where did this weird mentality enter our lives? Like I was just telling you a friend of mine had a business for three years and sold it for a gajillion dollars and I've been doing this for 15 and I'm like, what the hell? Yeah. So do you envision eventually needing to take in money or wanting to take that in and grow really big or are you on the track of like slow and steady wins the race right now? I'm Definitely the latter I think that I had to be really honest with myself when I was first making this decision of okay, am I going to fundraise and become huge or am I going to try to go more the sustainable route? I had to be honest with myself about the fact that I was very young and I didn't feel quite ready to take on the responsibilities of other people's money. It has felt like such a special blessing to be able to learn on the job with my own. Us and to be able to scale it to profitability and I feel that if I had taken money at a very early time in the business. I would have missed out on that learning opportunity. Now as we scale and start to look further, especially into the mass Market things might change we might need that funding but I want to make sure that if and when we do take that on it's because we really need it and we know how we're going to use it and we know how we're going to deliver value to. To our Capital Partners totally and one thing I know we keep saying I know we talked about this. We had a long conversation everyone before this because we did a really fun interview with ink magazine you wanted to make it affordable, which I feel like a lot of Wellness companies were jaded in New York, and we're used to paying $20 for a latte or whatever but like most of the country can't afford that so talk to me about why you wanted to make it affordable and what that means for your consumer. Yeah. I mean on a personal side It was really just about wanting to make products that I wanted to see in the market. I couldn't afford to buy 75 plus dollar powder. So it didn't really make any sense for me to be producing them. I think that one of the reasons why gold has been a success thus far in spite of Fairly limited resources on our end is because we are building products that we want to see in the market. We're thinking about our community and our consumers and ourselves all really as as one. Big group of friends and I think that when you're trying to sell to a community that you are not really a part of that's when suddenly you need to spend millions of dollars on market research and instead of just sort of doing what comes naturally and then I think also on the other side just from a pragmatic, you know business side of things. I saw a hole in the market. I saw that everyone was going after this luxury consumer and that luxury It was sort of already inundated with offerings from dozens of Brands and I realized that there was this consumer this Mass consumer, you know, also me who really didn't see a brand that was speaking to them in a meaningful way. So it also was just common sense to me. So when I had to figure things out when we first launched, it was a different day and age of having to figure things out and the resources available to find things easily. You didn't really you couldn't you could barely search on Google. Oh my God. I ordered all my Hardware from like a physical catalog. Right? Like I couldn't go online and like order my hardware for my factory and wow City. So knowing that you guys, you know Doom almost everything yourself. What is the journey been like in terms of now you can ask for anything and like how have you known what to do with which supply chain to go down or which website took it like there's so many options now that is Almost like overwhelming. Yeah the answer is it often? We don't know what to do and we just go with our guts and learn quickly if we made a mistake. I think that I've had to understand the reality that in entrepreneurship you're going to fail over and over and over again and you just have to be okay with that. You have to know that you're going to make the wrong higher or go and partner with the wrong manufacturing person and you'll just have to correct from there. And so I think that the past, you know, almost three years now of building this brand has been many many learning experiences. However, I will say that I seriously don't know how I could have done it without the internet. Google is definitely my best friend on this journey. It does make it a lot easier. You can play that one question. I wanted to ask you is you went from launching direct to Consumer and then what happened, you know. And for retailers, yeah the happen. Yeah, so I think that we had a slightly different approach for a lot of new brands that are popping up today in that. We always knew that wholesale was going to be a part of our strategy. So when we launched online, we already were working on getting into a few retailers. And so our very first one was the elk Cafe in the West Village and then shortly following that was chill house and the lower He sighed and so I think from there we were able to get this incredible visibility from our brand we were stocked at chill house from their opening and they were getting flooded with press and influencers. And so even from that very early moment. We started having people say, oh my gosh. I feel like I've seen your product before which was crazy. And so then from there a lot of the big guys like the you know, the Sephora's and the Urban Outfitter started coming in to us, and I don't don't say that as is to say that it was easy and simple but I think that we came out at the right time with the right message and all of these retailers were super excited about wellness and and knew that they wanted to jump in but I think that they were also feeling the same way that I had felt which was all we've got is this like Birkenstock kind of stuff and then this like stuff that's way too pricey that our customers is not going to care about and so I think we were one of the first ones on The scene to say hey, we've got super foods and they're easy and they're tasty and they're natural and I think that just resonated and a really powerful way. So what's been some of the hardest lessons you've learned. Yeah, I think running a business with my life partner is a very interesting challenge. Let's go there. Yeah. I mean, you know for the most part it's fantastic. There was never really a doubt in either of our minds that we were I need to partner together. And so we often get that question of how do you do that? And I respond that you know, if you can't Envision yourself working with your significant other you probably shouldn't but that being said they're still is this really interesting challenge of living with someone working together from home in your apartment and still being each other's best friend and romantic partner. I was going to ask about the romance part like whatever that moment where you're like stressed out about where your liking your I don't know you're having sex and you're like, oh honey. What about that shipment? You know what? I mean? Like, how do you separate that in mind? That's a great question. I mean, I think that it can be challenging but at the same time I think that in daily life, there isn't as much separation as I think you feel like there needs to be at times. I think when you have a day job there's this sense of Really wanting to separate your personal and your professional life because that job is just what you show up to to pay your rent and go be able to actually live your life. But when you're building a brand with someone that you love, you know, we'll go on our walks over the weekend and be super excited to trade notes on product development and then talk about something completely unrelated, right? So I think it's sort of allowing it to seep into your personal life a bit and and feeling That's okay. I find that refreshing because I feel like a lot of Partners whether their brother-sister like mine or husband-wife like they feel like they have to sometimes be like, all right, we're not going to talk about work. We're home. Now, it's dinner time. It's unrealistic. I think it's totally unrealistic. Right? My husband wants to start a company with me. We don't know what that is. Hmm, it might start with the kids book, but I was like could I do this? I don't know but you give me inspiration. I think so what's on the horizon for the company? Yeah, so there's some really exciting stuff happening. On the product side were working on a new superfood skincare launch and then also a really exciting ingestible product. That's going to be a really great Beauty ingestible. That's totally plant-based. Awesome. Yeah, and one thing I like to ask all my guess is something we'd be surprised to know about you can be personal professional odd quirky. Yeah. The first thing that comes to mind is that I have seen fan of the the Opera on Broadway 10 times. Whoa, that is intense. Yeah, that's a lot. Right? Why you like that? Yeah, you know, it's actually a cute story now that I think about it my dad first, you know, my dad was a big fan of it for some reason or other and got me into it when I was a little kid and so we used to listen to the soundtrack and the car and everything way before I'd ever even gone to see the show and so then we finally went to go see it. And I loved it and I just became I think it was around sort of like those teenage years when you just become obsessed with stuff and so from I think probably age like 11 through 16. I was seriously into that show. Wow, do you still love it? Like when you listen to it or you're like, I'm a little multi-layered. I mean, I haven't listened to it in a while, but I have really been meaning to like get back and see it again. I think it's just one of those. Things that is like lodged in me. Nostalgic Lee I have that with Ani DiFranco and Tori Amos and I tried to go back there and I was like, no it needs to stay that time period that it was angsty teenage younger. Yeah, and then the other question I like to ask everybody is if they have a piece of advice either that they have learned themselves to pass on or someone gave them some really just that those nuggets. Yeah the best piece of advice that I have received the Far was actually not advice, but it was feedback on on myself. And this person said, you know Trinity is great because she knows when she's lucky and I thought about that and I've been thinking about that recently even and it feels like sort of the key to success. However, you want to Define it. I think we all have these challenges of how am I going to start a business? I don't have the right resources or you know, I don't have all these connections, but what is most important I think Think when you're on this journey is seeing those little opportunities that you have that other people don't for example when we had launched gold and we were ready to quit our full-time jobs, but absolutely could not afford to my mom who was you know, still Upstate she was getting ready to sell her house that she had already moved out of because she had moved into my grandmother's house to take care of her. And so I called her up and said hey Mom don't sell your house yet the I think I need to move in for a while and we moved Upstate and she was willing to do that because Mom's are incredible. I was so scared to move home in that moment and I was ashamed and embarrassed which is so silly looking back on it. But I think that my strength was in knowing that that was an opportunity hmm knowing when there's an opportunity and then striking is so important because there's been so many moments on my journey where I'm like, oh opportunity like I feel like I've Opportunity tentacles all day and then I strike and then you have to be willing to like sometimes doesn't happen. But oftentimes it does. Yeah. So the other question I want to ask you how have you managed to come up with your formulas? Like I know some companies tout that they have a clinical degree in Ray, whatever nutria science or whatever and here you are developing these things. How do you know how do you know what you're putting together is correct? Yeah. Yeah. So with our very first product The the tumeric Blends we really approached it from the perspective of let's Source the highest quality Botanicals that we absolutely can that we know are proven to have incredible health benefits turmeric as we talked about is super anti-inflammatory, but there's also the incredible healthy fats that come from coconut and the benefits of cinnamon and ginger on the gut. So we really focused on that and then from there on the development side. It was really about How can we create the tastiest product possible without adding anything artificial or anything with sugar? So that was our our sort of thought process they're going forward now as we get into skincare and more complex ingestible, 's we are always sort of on the front lines of the development. I'm endlessly reading books and Googling about what herbs and you know, what different superfoods are. Just for your skin or your gut but then from there were always working with a trained formulator to really help us make sure that we're making something that is not only aligned with the gold values, but it's going to be effective and safe make sense. And one thing I want to say about everything you do because I'm a big vitamin in gesture. You might not feel good right away, but you just going to be healthier in the long term like it's not like this instant hit but like you just know that it's like like you exercise every day. Yeah your hearts going to be Ethier like a lot of the stuff is just time, right? Yeah, and we wanted to to think about that and think about how we could make that experience pleasurable as opposed to feeling like punishment. I think that's the problem is often were, you know, we're swallowing these pills and we're drinking these like disgusting powders, right? And really is it working. Is it working instead of just enjoying it? Yeah, and I think just as you mentioned it's kind of like exercise or anything. Else it's not necessarily just about getting to that result which will come it's about building great healthy habits that make you feel like your best self from beginning to end totally. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you Rebecca. So excited to have been able to try with you today. Yeah, it's great. That was Trinity to find out more about what she's doing. You can follow her at Gold gol de so just want to share a couple of new reviews. This one is Is from a range in style her subject is called Help. She's 40. She's petite. She probably looks amazingly young and everyone thinks she's new but she should not be called sweetie. So she's asking what to do or say so as anyone who is lustfully going after beautiful skin. I would be like, I know I look young but and then don't be afraid to correct people. I think so many people go. Oh, well the CEO said it we can like you can send an email you can. They could I talk to you like it really makes me feel bad when you call me sweetie, and that's not you know, that's not how I want to be treated. I think we just have to start talking back. We have to share our opinions if something is going wrong. We have to stand up for ourselves because no one else will sometimes they will but most of the time they won't so I would say let those jealous ladies tell you how young you look and then show your strength by speaking up for what you believe in. Thank you guys as always for listening. Thank you as always for writing in sometimes. I'm not the quickest it getting back to you, but I promise you I'm reading your reviews. I'm reading your comments and I appreciate them so much. Keep listening keep downloading keep sharing and thanks for making this a joy to bring to you.

We’ve all been there. In search of the perfect product that is holistic, natural, and good for us, only to be torn between brands that seem to veer to the very luxe or the "crunchy granola." Not that there’s anything wrong with either end, but it’s clear that the market has been missing a happy medium! Enter Golde, the delicious and nutritious superfood-based supplement and beauty brand that'll wow you with its accessible price point and colorful packaging. The brainchild of Trinity Mouzon Wofford and life/business partner, Issey Kobori, Golde was borne of Trinity’s desire to create products that make taking care of oneself a pleasurable experience. Originally planning a career in medicine, Trinity switched gears as it became all too clear that offering a holistic practice would only be available to the very wealthy. While the method of delivery may have changed, the goal is still the same: making wellness accessible and enjoyable all at the very same time. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas Authenticity as the primary ingredient that draws people in. [09:21] Accessibility – making products that you want to see in the market that you can also afford. [13:05] Coming to terms with the fact that starting in entrepreneurship means there will be missteps along the way, and that it will be a great learning experience. [15:11] --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Sagittarius season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you and leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you.At their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. 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That's a significant planetary moment mercury has been retrograde since October 31st in the sign Scorpio Scorpio for you rules the root or the base of your Art, and so Mercury's retrograde may have been bringing up some deeper issues. This place in the chart has a lot to do with our feelings of Foundations stability grounding and a sense of belonging very literally this place in the chart represents home and family. So as mercury turns direct it enters into what's called its shadow phase this period of time is when Mercury retraces the territory that it retrograded back over. / and this is the third time that mercury is passing this area in the sky or appears to be the first time was when Mercury was direct before the retrograde. The second time was when Mercury was retrograde and now on the third time the symbolic meaning of this time is when kind of mercury has as a symbol of the Mind mercury has remembered something or it's pick something up and now important realizations can come forwards. There's more clarity. On any places of confusion or spaces where you needed to to pause and muck around and kind of turn things over in your mind a little bit as we tend to do with Mercury retrograde. So pay attention to your mind and to what's going on in your mind questions conversations disagreements and kind of emotional uncertainty that may have been present over the last couple of weeks now might start to have a greater sense of clarity and resolve As you move forward Mercury will finish its shadow phase on December 7th. And on December 9 that will move into Sagittarius. We're of course, it will meet up with the sun the sun moves into Sagittarius on November 22nd and Sagittarius season is the span of time between November 22nd and December 21st. So Sagittarius is the sign right after Or po this place in your chart rules the ideas of Vitality and authentic energy expressive energy and creative playful Joy. I think also about this part of your chart as your eroticism and eroticism can definitely be sexual. It doesn't have to be it's a feeling of being turned on. So what gets you going what lights your fire what gets you excited? Did and in the mood those are the themes for Sagittarius and the Leo solar chart and this place in your chart is called the fifth house and it relates to the fifth sign which of course is Leo. So when you think about what you know of Leo some qualities that come immediately to mind are playful silly expressive performative warm. Theatrical that those sentiments are also themes in this part of your chart. So think of this energy of Sagittarius as stimulating Your vitality and your essential authentic expression one note. For those of you who are parents. This part of your chart is specifically related to your children and a second note for those of you who are artists or makers or creators. This part of your chart is very Important for you. This is where your creativity lives. It's where you want to express yourself and get on stage and make something so over the course of Sagittarius season nurture these instincts and pay attention to this kind of energy. It will be highlighted with the sun here regardless, and it's a great time for you to pay extra attention to these parts of your life to really honor your creative romantic erotic. Playful authentic self especially around the new moon on November 26th. There's a new moon at three degrees of Sagittarius. The new moon of course is a time for planting seeds. This is the beginning cycle. You can think of the beginning cycle as new moon to Full Moon. So those entire two weeks between November 26th and December 11th, when we have a full moon, you might just Writing in your Journal creating rituals or ceremonies or of some kind or just thinking about what it is that you're wanting to initiate and call in to your creative life to your erotic nature for your children for your creative projects as we get to the full moon again on December 11th. The full moon will be in the opposite sign Gemini and this full moon highlights the this between the solar Fifth and eleventh houses. So the fifth house as I mentioned is this place of creativity and playfulness and the 11th house is you might think of it as the group or your networks or your audiences or your wider and future impacts. So I like to think of the 11th house as an image of ripples moving out from a pebble dropped. In a pond your expression as you're expressing yourself, of course affects the energy around you it affects many people around you but it also just affects a general Vibe. If you are an artist or a maker whatever you are creating whatever you're performing probably is being received by a public of some kind by an audience. If you are a parent your children are going to grow and affect the world around them. Them so think of this axis as the larger impact of your Creative Expressions how you're expressing yourself what you're putting out is affecting the people and the communities around you and also affecting kind of future hole in some way. The 11th house is also very closely associated to social projects group. Collectives the idea of collectivism or humanitarian goals or things like that things that you might causes you might be interested in. So there may also be some energy around the full moon around. How are you using your energy to? What effect do you want to be using your energy now? This full moon is coming in with some potentially thick and confusing energy, and I really want to encourage you to give yourself some space. A surrounds the full moon to be very self-compassionate and also to meditate on a larger impact that you are Desiring. So if you're thinking about the future of your children, try and meditate and visualize a positive healthy loving future for them, if you're thinking about how you fit in with a group try and meditate on the kind of purest energy that you want to be exude inning and how that will affect and kind of hmm Inspire others around you and the space around you this could be a full moon that can bring some kind of heavy energy with it for some so if that's what you end up feeling, please give yourself time and space to be gentle with yourself and to not jump into kind of any conclusions about whether other people are thinking about you or Doom and Gloom situations about the Future or things like that, but really stay with the moment of your intention and what you're aiming for and the full moon, of course is bringing a releasing phase with it. So from the full moon to the new moon, this is a great time to set your intentions to make your rituals or ceremonies, etc for releasing what isn't useful to you anymore in this axis of your life your personal expression, but also how you're interacting with groups with Networks. With the idea of your Social circumstances and your futures Etc a couple of other things happening this month. Both Venus and Jupiter are moving into the sign Capricorn Venus will Ingress Capricorn on November 25th, and it will stay there until December 20th. Jupiter will move into Capricorn on December 2nd of this year and it will stay all the way until December 20th of 2020. So a little bit more than a year. A year-long Transit Venus and Jupiter are considered to be the banana fix of the zodiac. That means that there are the gift givers Venus brings the gifts of abundance love connection magnetism Jupiter brings the gifts of Higher Learning High wisdom and personal expansion growth and opportunities. So you can use both of these planetary energies in your work in your day-to-day Capricorn rules your solar 6. Also, this is the place in the chart that has domain over the totally mundane aspects of your life your jobs your schedules your responsibilities and your health your general well-being. So as Venus and Jupiter both enter this part of your chart, you may get a rush of energy you may get a rush of deadlines or jobs. But what I hope is that you get is inspiration to really attend to your day-to-day life with a lot of Of care I'd love for you to be able to cultivate and continue to refine your schedules your regimens the way that you're taking care of yourself the way that you're taking care of your environment and being with your work being with your labor Jupiter's Transit especially is a great energy to assist you in calling in labor and day-to-day occupation and responsibilities AKA jobs that are really aligned with your soul. Purpose and with your integrity and kind of higher meaning or higher ethics one more planetary shift Mercury will move into Sagittarius on December 9th, and it will stay in that sign until December 29th. So Mercury will meet up with the sun in the sign Sagittarius. Again. This is the house of creativity eroticism playful energetic expression and Mercury brings its curiosity its mental acuity and it's gift of communication into this part of your chart. So this is a great influence for you to be working with your creativity and what you want to be expressing in that part of your life last but not least on November 28th is the national day of mourning. Otherwise known as Thanksgiving Day in the United States, and I'm encouraging all of my listeners to please donate some time and money to indigenous LED organizations this year and every year I'll be donating to the indigenous environmental Network. They are an amazing and entirely indigenous lead organization that does a lot of really important work with the environment and with education. You can check them out at ien Earth dot-org if you'd like to know more about astrology in this upcoming month and there is a lot to know in terms of planetary aspects and lunar cycles become a subscriber. There's so much there in the extended monthly forecast and the calendar for you. Italy listen to the embodied astrology episode for Sagittarius season. There's a ton in that episode about Sagittarius as an energy how to embody it how to access it and what to expect in this upcoming month. Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoy these horoscopes, please share them with your friends and Community. I'm wishing you all the best in Sagittarius season and Beyond bye for now.

Horoscope for Sagittarius Season (October 23 - November 22, 2019) These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Sagittarius Season in 2019. Sagittarius Season extends between November 22 - December 21. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Heart of Sky, a Dark Rift - Embodied Astrology for Sagittarius Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Sagittarius and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Sagittarius represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Sagittarius season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here: Get the Sagittarius Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Thanks for tuning in to listen. My name is Madison Diamond Bachelor science student at Brock University studying Medical Science with a minor and outdoor recreation today. I want to talk about eating stress in the relationship between mindfulness and our eating habits. This is important to understand the public health reasons due to the increase in reported stress and obesity rates in North America. So let's talk about the purpose of eating. So since beginning of time for humans, we have used eating as a social activity. We use it away to gather communities. We use it as a way to express culture to express passion to talk about the day to debrief to distress all these wonderful things that brings people together in community. So we know that but we also know that we eat so just to survive. So we need the nutrient qualities of our food. So this brings us to the two different types of eating we have health-related eating an unhealthy related eating. So your health related to eating is related to the quality of the food relating to the nutrient substances that it provides the body, but we have on health related eating which would be the social aspects of eating. So this would be the culture the community the passion that we express to eating. This on health related to eating is mostly related to the intrinsic qualities in the intrinsic motivators for eating. So this would be the sensory experiences the continent of the nutritional value of the food compared to the extrinsic motivators, which would be the price who made it and where it's from So stress is an area. I want to give some background information on before we go into discussing stress eating and how mindfulness can mediate that stress eating response so stress. It can be described as an external stimulus to the body and it can be either emotional or physiological. This is important to understand is these responses lead to biological alterations of adaptive processes. So the Adaptive processes to regulate homeostasis within the body so stress causes a spike or release inserted hormones. Therefore causing different responses of the body. If you constantly have chronic stress you will have a dysregulation in Processes which leads to keep it affects in the body and therefore has further effects on how we physiologically perform. So stress is mediated by many different responses within the body to regulate homeostasis. The one that we're going to focus on is the one between the brain and the kidneys known as the HPA axis. So this one is the one that releases cortisol in the body. So cortisol is a steroid hormone that is responsible for hypertension glucose intolerance and atherosclerosis and monks many other things. The acute response or the short-term response of cortisol in the body is to work with adrenaline to initiate your fight or flight response. This response will redirect blood flow away from non-essential organs for this response. Meaning that it will redirect blood flow away from your digestive tract. This will suppress your appetite as you're working towards getting yourself out of that situation with the increased amount of blood flow to your heart your brain in your skeletal muscles. The stress stimuli response is very interesting when it comes to cortisol. So your stress stimuli will occur and that at the same time it will stimulate this pathway that we discussed the HPA axis because the pathway is going from the brain down to the kidneys. It does take time, but there will be a spike in cortisol levels to in. of distress stimuli However, even though this is a dramatic increase in cortisol. The cortisol levels do not fall rapidly. It takes a while for the body to come back down to homeostatic levels with cortisol. This means if you are under chronic stress and you have constant stress stimuli your body is never going to be able to reach homeostatic levels of cortisol. It will constantly accumulate cortisol levels increasing your basil or your base amount of cortisol within the body. This is important to understand when it comes to the idea of chronic stress chronic stress in the increased cumulative effects of cortisol within the body leads to amplify responses each time. There is a stress stimulant. Because chronic stress causes Amplified responses due to the high cortisol levels. Your body is going to want food for fuel. This means that your body is going to Crave high-fat high-sugar Foods because cortisol works by metabolizing fat in increasing the amount of insulin to metabolize the sugars within the body. This is important to understand when were choosing foods during stress because your body is going to Crave palatable foods, which happen to be high fat high sugar because of this you're going to tend to overeat It can lead to obesity on the long-term if you're under chronic stress. How does overeating relate to obesity in the long term when we're thinking about chronic stress? Basically when you are stressed there's an increased activation in your brain reward centers. So when you're exposing yourself to the high sugar high fat foods that your cortisol levels are demanding when you're under chronic stress your body's going to associate that as a reward and then Therefore your dopamine will increase in the reward centers, which override the homeostatic measures so Your body associating the high sugar high fat foods is reward. You're in you're constantly increasing your exposure to these high sugar high fat foods. This will become a stimulus for behavior on its own leading to an addictive behavior pathway this addictive behavior pathway can lead to the over consumption of foods that are high in sugar and high fat which can lead to obesity in the long term. This brings us to the connection of how you can overeat leading to obesity based on your chronic stress levels alone So we just briefly reviewed the physiological effects of stress on the body within this we talked about why we stress eat and why we typically crave high sugar high fat foods. Now we're going to jump into mindfulness and how mindfulness can help reduce our stress eating specifically relating to these high sugar high fat foods that are dense in calories. Mindfulness has been studied for many years as a way to reduce stress and it has been found that mindfulness and meditation forms could help reduce stress. When we're thinking about mindfulness in this context of the situation, we are thinking about mindfulness as a way to reduce stress eating through the way of reducing cortisol levels in the body bringing them back down to a homeostatic level that is manageable for the body to respond to research studies published in 2013 and 2014. Both discovered that mindfulness training and mindfulness eating practices reduce the amount of binge eating and emotional eating and the related symptoms. This is backed up by a research study published in 2018 that focus on two different meditation techniques one focusing on body relaxation and the other on body awareness. They found that the body awareness meditation technique reduce perceived stress nearly six points with the average of 17.7 before meditation down to an eleven point nine. These perceived stress scores only had a range of 5.7 and 5.0 respectively. As discussed here the research shows that mindfulness training can reduce the amount of perceived stress in the body, but also can reduce binge eating. There's a connection there on the physiological level that could be related to the cortisol levels within the body as you of reducing the amount of perceived stress specifically in the case of chronic stress, you could be reducing the amount of cortisol levels within the body bringing it back down to a homeostatic level. This is important to understand when we're talking about binge eating or the compulsion to eat high sugar high fat food. By incorporating mindfulness into your everyday habits specifically your eating habits. You could see a reduction in the amount of stress eating or your changes in behaviors towards stress mindfulness is not just an important tool for weight management during stressful situations. It's important tool for long-term Health as decreasing. Your amount of cortisol levels is important for managing hypertension development of atherosclerosis and development of glucose intolerance. The goal of this podcast for for you to understand and take away that stress is important in everyday life as short-term and long-term effects on the body and your health and wellness. By incorporating little things such as mindful eating our mindfulness techniques in general. You can help decrease the amount of stress on your body and therefore decrease the adverse effects that come with increased stress and chronic stress. All resources used for this podcast will be listed in the description box. Thank you for listening and happy eating.

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This is box talk and I'm your host Tiffany geragos. This podcast is inspired by hearing other people's experiences and their passions in health and fitness now so many times where I felt like there was value in the conversations I would have with people that all I wanted to do was share all that I was inspired about now. I'm a fitness coach and entrepreneur a mother a wife. Passionate about my own pillars of Health and Fitness in that is what this podcast is all about lifestyle relationships mindset in the health and fitness. So I'm so excited and grateful to be here. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm so appreciative and enjoy the show. Okay, I'm always like not always sure how to say hello and I always find myself going. Okay. So anyhow, thank you for joining me on this episode is we have a boss bitch coming on. Yeah. I have a new female crush. And on Instagram, her name is Quadzilla. And there is she has every right to have that name because her quads are in sane. I don't know if she could crush a watermelon between those thighs but I bet she could I bet I bet she could do it totally. So what is so exciting about this conversation? It's because we talk a lot about where we came from inner most insecure selves are self-doubt, you know, all that mindset goodness where we just have these Groove created these limited beliefs in ourselves and it really stops us from doing anything great or following with our passion and the things that we feel so desired to do now Karina, this is her name is Karina. She is an amazing power lifter this girl now when we did this in for interview, she was getting ready for a competition and I don't want to tell you how well she did right now. I will tell you after the podcast and the segment because I just feel like it's telling you a bit of the movie before you watch it. I don't think that would be fair. I think you should get to know her a little bit and hear her journey because she's a mom to you know, she loves coaching. She loves lifting. She's basically raised her son in the gym and I've speaking from experience. I've done the exact same thing with my kids and my kids know exactly what they need to do with weights. Like they're not afraid to use them. They're not intimidating for them. They have no problem stepping into a gym and just feeling comfortable. Bowl the gym can be super uncomfortable for anybody just starting like honestly super intimidating when you're walking in. You see all these Jack people who seem to know what they're doing and you don't know what you're doing. Well the great part about Karina I she is an online coach. She does sell programs and she has an amazing following now following. Let's just touch on this for a second. I don't give a shit. How many people are following you I can tell if you're doing the work or not. I can tell if you're worth following it. We already know. I just want you to know this. It doesn't matter how many followers you have on Instagram anymore. We used to think that that was a big deal. But we now we know that there's a lot of bullshitters out there a lot of people who talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk now this Hot babe does both she's got an essene insane amount of followers because she's so fucking awesome because she's a boss. She is a true leader. Now. I met Carina through Gamba now, she is Gambit one of their athletes and rightfully so because she's a sick lifter and she knows what she's doing and Gambit doesn't just have anybody on their athletic team. Mmmmm, they don't just pass that that sweater over, you know to anybody in calling them their athlete. They need to know you know, what's good for them. What's not they need to put in the hard work they need to show up. They also need to support their fellow athletes and she does all of that so her and I freaking honestly, we totally hit it off. We really could have gotten into other things. But what I really wanted to talk to her about what is that? Balance between Jim life business and Mom because being a mom or being a parent is the hardest goddamn job you will ever have in your goddamn life. Like I don't care who you are being a parent and raising little minions. It is so difficult. Now if you have a baby, the only difficult thing right now is maybe like a lack of sleep, right? I don't know but as they get older and you're trying to guide them. To be the best version of themselves. It's a damn stressful job and day in day out grind it out. You never give up on your kids. You just do what you can do. And if you don't have the tools you reach out, right and there's lots of ways you can reach out. Okay, so I'm totally ranting now. I know I've whatever how I'm already 5 minutes over in this intro, but Karina is just a boss. She she did compete and she had some her amazing team. They like the girls that she coaches flew in to see her. She's got such an amazing support group. I am one of them. I'm a huge fan and we bit since we've talked we basically talk regularly now like like we just we just support each other now and that's just the way it is. There's no if ands or buts, even though we don't live anywhere. Are close to each other we are still going to support each other because she's now my Gamba sister freaking lover and I'm so stoked for you to meet her. If you don't follow her on Instagram follow her. I'm going to put her all that information in my show notes and you can check her out and if you have any questions, she's the bomb to get back to you like she's very loving kind caring and she if you have questions and you message her. You will get back to you like she's that bomb. Okay. So here we are meet Karina the Quadzilla. Thank you for being so patient Karina. Yeah, of course. Yeah. No, I'm I'm we're just get let's just get right into it. Okay, because I think everything that we're going to start with is all juicy stuff. So so everybody thanks for joining us on box talk. I have Quadzilla on the line say what's up Quadzilla? What's up? Everybody Karina? Why don't you introduce yourself a little bit because I don't know a lot about you. I know a I can see what I can see on Instagram. I know. That I know like this is the first time we spoke but I know that you know, Sean and row me and Keith through Gamba and anybody who doesn't know who what Gamba is it's a it's more than a clothing apparel. It's a club for four athletes. Basically, there's a lot of power lifters in it and it's a team would you agree? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, they're pretty badass. So yeah, they are so I am a powerlifter. I usually left in the USP a federation although in two weeks and lifting at the current US Open which is a different Federation this year, but you know, whatever that's it wasn't the story. What do you mean? What does that mean? It's just who's sanctions that the Federer who sanctions the meat like where you get your records. So like USPA is the big one. I don't know if you guys have that even in Canada. I don't know how that works. But yeah, yeah, it'll be different here are sanctioned events will be totally different here for sure. Yeah. That's our main one in the US. But so this one this Crumbs actually like a Russian Federation but it's mostly just like a funny meet. Just so top lifters invite only and it's just mostly for money unless you can break like all-time world record. So that that's basically it but I am a sponsored athlete through Gamba. That's how I know Sean and all I joined them back in I want to say like November of last year. Year, so it's been fun meeting all the guys and the other is a couple other girls, but it's a good team of people and and I like it. So it's good to be on on the team with them and have a big support system like like immediately like it was like immediate support system. So that was cool. What else do you like about Diana? Just just like this support system. I mean, it's just amazing. Everybody's funny and a lot of other guys are young. So they're you know full energy and egg ready to learn and a lot of them are even like coaches to I'm a coach as well. So we all kind of sometimes we have like a group chat. So we'll talk about our our ideas and our methods and things so it's cool to have Want to talk to us like like-minded ideas. I love that. It's true. Like when you're surrounded with people like-minded, it's almost like it's a whole nother Universe happening right there. If you really let you see the tribe really conform and the sense of like like you said support ideas and then because like if you think about all of you know, the people that made it big like hi. Companies they don't do that by themselves. They don't they have a team of people who contribute to these ideas. Even if they're not even part of their team. They may be a part of some their own team, but they do collaborate in a sense. It's just like it just makes sense. Absolutely. Yeah, I love it. Absolutely. Yep. Cool. So I see that you have a couple other apparels on your Instagram that you support to so what about those ones? Yes. So fighter quit is another big one that I'm an ambassador or they cause Prime athletes so fight or quit their they're awesome. They're based out of Las Vegas. It's Basically, they've picked a bunch of like-minded individuals as well that are you know fighters in life spiders and in anything that we've gone through we're definitely you know what I mean? Basically, we're just not we're not quitters but being a part of that as well has been another awesome experience because everybody everybody there has been through something to as been through hardships has made it. So that's that's been awesome. Um, and then the other apparel that I support heavily is iron Rebels, which my coach Brandon Allen was actually a sponsored athlete by them. I'm one of their ambassadors but I support them heavily as well and they do a lot of they're like the biggest what he called sponsor for all the USP and stuff that we do out here so Another great company and people as well. Do you find that that any of them conflict with each other? I don't think so. They're all have different. kind of like mission statements almost So, I don't know. I don't feel like that. It's different different kind of Vibes for each one. Mmm-hmm. Well, that's cool. I mean if it feels good run with it, right like yeah, that's all we do. It feels good. Actually. Yeah puts a little fact and logic behind it all it's all good. Right? Yeah, so let's get into because I'm all about empowering other women like I'm a huge advocate for it, especially when you're up to like sick shit. Europe's is sick shit growl. Like you're a fucking beast. I I love your Instagram name Quadzilla guys. You gotta check her out. Please do see I can relate. I mean my quads are not as big as yours, but me and my sisters we are known for thigh. Thighs and ass like we just got these thick thighs and these thick calves. Yeah, and I'm I consider myself a sick girl like, you know, I'm not I'm not like maybe some people would consider me petite but I'm just just got a lot of muscle on me. And you know when I was a child like when I was a young girl, I was so insecure about my thighs and my calves Yeah, I totally was because I was surrounded I didn't know anybody who had thick thighs the way I did and I wasn't afraid to wear shorts or anything, but I still had this murmuring, you know little bitch talking to me saying your legs are too thick. Yep, and you know like years ago like that wasn't in like and people in like body acceptance wasn't a thing. That's right. Right. It was it was whatever Society said we're supposed to be so that's why we all grew up. That's a big part of why we all grew up so much like insecurities and issues because it wasn't a thing. When did you when was it an aha moment for you? Like did you have those insecurities like did you have? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So when was it the moment for you where you were just like because I know like for me it took time, but I did grow some, you know bigger ovaries. I'm going to say balls but whatever right? I mean I spent my whole life. Way bigger. I tried to be skinny. I used to run miles and just eat like one piece of toast a day just to try to be smaller and I had still had big old thighs and you know, it wasn't it wasn't what Society wanted for everybody or for me. So I was just trying to fit in this box and I was just miserable forever and all I ever really honestly wanted to do was powerless, but I was like I got to be skinny and then I can maybe I can powerless later. And then I actually almost died like two and a half years ago from meningitis. And that was like the turning point in my life where I was like, you know what I didn't Follow My Dreams who cares what I look like, I'm just gonna when I get better. I'm going to go power lift. And as soon as I got better, that's what I started doing is writing powerlifting about on the platform Works in like eight months and that was the start of my turning point to so Live and to be like screw anyone thinks but it still took time. It wasn't overnight even though you know stepping on the platform for the first time. I still had over a thousand total and you know, I realize okay. I have some like serious potential here, but it still took time for me to be like, okay, you're going to love yourself no matter what and then in the last like year and a half. You know, my body is grown. I've got bigger eyes. Seen so much muscle and so much most women would cry at that about that. Come on, you know, I'm like, you know what I don't even care in the last like year. It's just been like who cares like and now I'm like, I love my body like I love my power belly. I love Mark super I love everything I got and I'm not going all about like trying to empower other women to because to hate yourself for so long. You're almost 36 years old. It took me this long to figure it out. Like I don't want people to go through that. That's measurable. Nobody should go through that. I hear ya. I hear you girl good for you. I fucking love it. Yeah, I guess body. It's that way I have to say you're absolutely gorgeous. And yeah, you are you're so beautiful and I think I know that when we step out of these little Bubbles and And get into my Our Truth we are so beautiful. We have so much to offer and look look what's happening. When you fucking put that shit aside. Look what you're doing now, you know your competition and all this stuff. You have a message and it's getting out there because you are stepping into your truth. And I think that's fucking bad-ass. Eileen has totally love it, too. Yeah, I love it. So what motivated you to get into? Are lifting like how did this become a passion of yours? I've always been strong like it just was just kind of like a genetic luck that I have always been strong of always lifted weights. Like I started lifting, you know, when I was pilot 17 and that was just to get in shape and you know to try to be smaller and I got like a trainer and he was handing, you know, like 20 pound dumbbells and I would do like dumbbell presses are doing this easy. Okay, and you give me like 30 This is still easy. You know, they're just kept growing and he would just be like, okay, you're pretty strong. I would like throw on like, you know, 800 pounds on the leg press and just like poem through. It. Just I just always was strong in the matter what but I always kind of kept that in the back because I wanted to be skinny more than anything, but then I realized like that when I was like 20 that I could bench 225 for reps, like holy fuck 225. What are you benching right now? What you're bent Ivan's 345 last night. Holy shit, dude. I'm not even a quarter of that was pretty good. Just trash but my bench is good. Your dad left is trashed. Hey, I can relate to that too. You know, it's like the short arm problem. Is that so it's good for business good for bench. I got like T-Rex arms. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know you this is the beauty part about lifting is critique critique critique, and it's not about Being a loser because you can't get it right. It's just about there's so much room to perfect these movements and develop these the strength in these these areas that were lacking and we're learning we're we're lacking and you know, sometimes it's where we it's not where we think right, you know, I mean, yeah band work been jerk. It wasn't until you know after I got sick that I was like, okay, I want to actually compete it was always a dream but you know, like 15 20 years ago like 15 years ago when I was really lifting heavy there was an I didn't know of any women powerlifters. It's you know, we don't have social media back then like we do now, so I didn't know anybody. I didn't know where to look and I didn't really pursue it either but it was always a dream of mine and then once I started It's like Instagram, you know kind of picked up a few years ago. That's when there's like started following powerlifters. And then you could then I could see more and I started to meet like local ones. I got my gym and then it was like, okay. Well now maybe you know this girl that I just meant can help me or answer some questions or you know, cuz I didn't know where to start and so she was like come to me, you know, and I asked you a million questions and she answered them all and then I just I started researching and I just I started programming myself. That's how I learned how to program is. I just had to research because I didn't have the money and stuff for a coach back then and so I was like, all right. Well, I'm smart. You know, I was a personal trainer for 10 years. I can find and how the body works. I know how you know strength training works and let me just apply that to like the power of do, you know because part of listings different than you know working out in the gym, obviously. We're just trying to get strong. But scientists researched and researched and researched and figured it out and started the program myself and and then just said I talked to somebody and they were like you just have to go do it you just have to say screw it, you know get over your fears go do it. I mean you're never going to be just you know, the strength that you are if you keep saying I'll do it when I'm stronger. You're never going to get on the platform. So I was like, all right, screw it my picked a little local small meet and got on the platform and then it was like Like ran with it and here I am now, isn't that so cool. So perseverance with passion creates results like when you're just so passionate about something like borderline obsessed and that's all you see. That's so awesome Karina. Fuck. Thank you. Yeah, I think well, there's so much to learn. It's so many people can take from that because Is majority of society we live in this this mindset of fear, and it really stops us from you know, stepping into is corny as it sounds but our dreams, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So the fact that you just kind of put that put that strong mind and set and set in center and you just kind of went for it is just very inspiring. I love it. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so Now you said you're getting ready for competition right now. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. So is this a sanction event? Yeah. This is the one that's like Russian sanctioned but it's like one of the biggest meets that we have in the u.s. People come in from all over the world because the top prize for the highest Wilk score right now I think is up to 20,000 and it's all like sponsorship, you know, people are dead. Donation-based I should say so people donated and then each weight class. The first part place is like a thousand dollars, I think so. It's a big deal to be on this on this platform. It's you know, like I said, I was invite only so don't good meat and then I'm actually going right back into prep right after this meet for another invite only meat that's going to be in, Texas. In the summer bottom, right? And is that a sanction event as well? Because you said it's an invite-only so I'm assuming yes, that one's another money me and mountains like all donation-based as well too. And that's like the newest the new big thing for USPA meets out here, but that one will be cool because I can go back and and break my I have the world record country now that 341 from a broke down in October. Or set that one in October so I can go back and push that one out even more in August and then hopefully try to get closer to the squat in the double walls of deadlift, but will do so which which movement did you say you broke records for which one was that? I have the bench world record and 341 and then I have I think I have I have state and National Record. Some of them are in the like the open category and then summer submaster for my age group. I can't remember what's what but so in the world record bench is for the open open every age for my weight class. So that's the one I'm proud of most proud of well, you should be proud of them all to be honest, but I get what you're saying like that is yeah that is something to brag about. Have to say Okay question question. So did you feel coming into this? Because you said that you were sick two years ago. So that means you would have been 35 right? No 34. I'm about to turn 30 6. Yeah. Okay. So did you feel that you were too old to get into this? Did that ever cross your mind at all? It didn't when I started because I just didn't age never I just never like thought about my age and then you know as I started to compete more looking around and everyone's in their twenties, and I'm like damn but at the same time I know my body and I know I've put in you know, 18 years of lifting the only breaks I've ever taken for lifting or when I was sick or if I had surgeries I even lifted up until Before my son was born so I knew like the I had like the mature muscle and I have so much experience and you know, I just knew what my body could do and I knew that age isn't going to matter for me. I mean, obviously I'm probably way more tired than these young kids. But yeah work full-time and have a kid so, you know, but as far as what I can push my body to do, you know, I don't I don't see an issue. No, no because it I can I'm 37 and I I feel the same way like I I feel great and I mean I'm gonna come I'm working to compete in July but I've made the Masters event because it starts between to be a mask the first section of Masters starts at 35 to 39 and I'm in that credit area. Yeah. So and it is like I have thought that from time to time, you know, like fuck man. I'm surrounded by all these youngsters like I don't yeah, I don't know many women my age. They're doing what I'm doing. Like, I mean, I don't know like I know there's I know there is some obviously but there's not many yeah, but shit, I just feel like I'm getting fitter and fitter, but I do get tired I have It's to 13 and 9. And yeah, I never napped. I'm napping now. Give me 20 minutes 20 minutes. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. So, how old is your your your son daughter? My son is 6 so what? Mr. And yeah fucking 24/7, but he comes to the gym with me. He watches me lift Hill scream like Go Mama. Oh my God, he comes to my meat so he knows he knows. His coaching a girl and I took him with me and he just felt like with her family, but my my other friend was sitting with them and she said he was telling a little boy about the lights like oh three lights good and this is a bench press and like he was like telling him all about it. And so inspiring you don't realize the power lifter. Yeah, but like like, okay. So now let's talk about this for a second because this is this is so important, especially when you have children to really live in your passion because you're setting such a good role model image for your child and to be there every moment and then they can learn to live in their passion and be exposed to you know, maybe something that can inherently go right back to them. It and I mean his experience in this has already started isn't that amazing? Like he's already experienced in the sport and to to have the respect that his mom is a fucking beast and his his mindset with women is going to be very empowering, you know, yeah and a huge for me to have for him to have that aw shit girl. I know my kids have been coming to the gym with me to my backgrounds more CrossFit and it's the opens the open concept where they see everything. Yeah, and my daughter like if it's open gym or something, she'll set up a full workout and she'll just do her own thing and just work out like it's insane. My son my 13 year old he understands what grit is he just goes doesn't matter how tired he is. It doesn't matter what like it is. It is give your 100% no matter what because you don't want to yeah, you don't want to think. Oh I could've went harder. I couldn't like I hate that feeling right? Yeah, absolutely. Hmm. So how is that balance? Is that a difficult balance for you? Or is it just you've merged into it already obviously, but you know when it came to making the step to compete I know like it takes a lot of work a lot of dedication. Occasionally lot of mindset and focus and I know being a parent that that's hard. That's really really hard. Yes. I mean, I've always been a working mom. So like the that part was fine and then I would always go to the gym he would go and you know into the little like daycare at the gym and then when I switch gyms to like a more powerlifting gym, it was just open and he can run around which made it even better. I felt better because it was like he could still be with me. And then when I started competing my first to meet actually didn't bring him and I didn't know I wanted to be focused and I didn't know if he would be trying to like, you know, come be with me or like if I would lose my focus our be too worried about him. And so and everyone was like just bringing him. We'll watch him, you know, because I've always got like 10 to 15 like friends are at a time. And so then for last year for my biggest my first biggest meat ever. ER I brought him I had everybody watching in the no it's not even a question. He just comes with an iPad we bring snacks and then he comes and he'll watch me and he'll cheer me on he hugs me after my list. And you know now it's just it's just what we do. Yeah, no shit. It's just what we do right like yeah, you know you figure it out you make it work. You just do what you have to do. Yeah. Yeah, totally I mean in the beginning For you though, like being those first two competitions. It is just a matter of getting that experience on your belt to like managing that mindset so that you're not so squirrelly and you know like yeah, right. Yep. Yeah. My first meet was like I like cut out a whole bunch of people like if you were bugging me or you had any kind of negativity like I stop talking I would like focus and I was reading like all kinds of like Empowering yourself books and quotes in this and I was like, I just didn't know what to expect but I knew that I needed to like have the right mindset in any way you look just like go and you know, just kill it and like not have any fear or not hold back or anything and like my first meet everything was just so natural like it just felt like I felt like I found exactly what I was supposed to be doing in my life. And now the first time I'd ever felt that way ever That's so cool. Oh my God. This is amazing. Yeah, so yeah, it was awesome. I love it here. Let's say I'm going to run just going to take a break from the recording for a second and just going to switch things up. Just hang on tight. Okay? Yeah, probably break Gamba Athletics. It's a brand community. 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Here we go. Okay, so we left off with the kids being a mom now for your own clients. What what type of clients do you typically have? Like, what is your avatar? I basically do more like online coaching. So anyone who is self-motivated is great for me. I give them their program. They'll send me their videos that I post them on Instagram and tag me actually have one girl in Canada. And then there is sir. I have a couple in LA and then one on the east coast one by one local guys actually, see what he's doing. Mm-hmm, but as long as I self-motivated and you know can do that then I'm good with them. Yeah, she was very motivated and was able to push herself and with you know with the help of others around her to help her but I had to send her like YouTube links and Instagram videos of what each exercise was. Which was fine. I'd rather than ask me questions then just try to figure it out. You know, I had told her that too. So I knew she was just starting out. So I was like, please ask me questions. Like I don't you get hurt. I don't you do things wrong. I want, you know to help you and I just generally want to help people get stronger, but they're just I know the feeling like when you just get stronger you or you hit numbers you never hit before just so exciting and just for you know for them to feel that way. Text me like I miss bench this or I just never done this before, you know that and then I've been with that. I feel like I'm able to like help them with the self love to because it's just what I'm all about like self-love like we're going to love ourselves. Yeah. Yeah team Quadzilla like my core. I like recruit chat and just like chat all day long. I just I love it. Like I feel like I'm really helping women just to love themselves like ending a stronger at the same time and and accepts like who they are like instead of like I want to be skinny, but I want to be strong with no just be strong like yeah be strong. The self-hate things have to be skinny, but don't do it because you feel like that's the only way you're going to love yourself with love yourself first and then you know, but let's just be strong. I'll be strong. I just want to bully. Yeah, I think what you're saying is so powerful. There's there's so much there because I was just having this conversation with one of my coaches and It does start within yourself. So when we are chasing, you know this image, aesthetically what we look like, you're really limiting yourself to other possibilities. You've really created this small bubble, but it is cool because sometimes you know when you get into programs like what you're doing in the support system and whatever that looks like, it opens a Floodgate Of opportunities to really get to know your body and then you have Of this appreciation for what you can actually do. I'm huge in to mindset. I feel like anybody can get fit anybody can reach their goals. But are you happy doing it? Are you are you are you loving the process? Are you looking in the mirror and saying I fucking did that? I love this. I love my body. Look what I can do and these PRS, you know. like it's not about chasing numbers, but it is about no, it's good to know where you're at because when you when you exceed that and you, you know, get a few pounds more it's a fucking celebration man, like you're like look what I did and when you develop these winds for yourself, There's something that happens neurologically in your mind that builds that confidence and I think it is so important to have these little bits and pieces of ingredients for that because there is a recipe for everybody and it looks different for everybody is called or Journey, right? So our journey looks different. And so when we add these little pieces of ingredients to that we build this beautiful pie or cake or whatever it is and you can always Fact it but for the fact that doing what you're doing gives a lot of people hope and something to look forward to social media. So powerful because now you can search whatever you need to search for that support like it is it is there in front of you mean you said it earlier you didn't really know what you were doing until until you started researching through Instagram and following the people that were doing what You wanted to do ya like I think it is really important to reach out. Ask questions. Take that fear. Don't worry about what people think, you know, like people appreciate when it comes from the gut, you know, people really appreciate when it comes from the heart. There's just so much to learn. Yeah, I fucking love it love it. So what is the what is the biggest message that you give your team? Like your girls? What is the main thing that you're like jamming down their throat? Put in the work love yourself along the way, you know, the rest will come. Seventh grade, you know like be proud of yourself. No, you know remember where he came from and everything is progress that progress is huge getting in that to get them in that mindset. Like, you know, this is their deal. No you whether or not they're going to reach, you know the top level or not mean who knows everybody's you know got potential. But either way, I mean if this is your passion you're putting in the work, you know along the way enjoy it love yourself you proud of yourself, you know, because it takes time it takes time. It takes effort. It takes money and other putting money into this to putting time. A lot of them are moms to and you know, they weren't everybody works as well. So it's The big deal it is a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, and I think the other part of this too is to understand the process is you know, like when you say time like how things take time like the process of these things is time and you know, do you know Gary vaynerchuk? I've quoted him a few times and I podcast if you don't know him check him out. He's all about living in your face. Failures and not as a negative thing, but understanding that that is part of the journey and we need those our biggest lessons is that the ones that were we didn't do what we set out to do because the process didn't work. So then you perfect it and it's that Journey. It's that experience within all of that is what makes you the person that you're who you are. It is not it's not the goal that you Reached its the process that it took to get to that goal. So, you know and these these Transformations do take time, but it is it is super important to find that that of passion and enjoy that enjoy what it is that you're thriving for and striving for like fuck lifting is so fun. Like I that is like, I love it like it is one of my most favorite things to do. like getting store and it doesn't Every day every day. I'm like okay with you dude when we gonna do today. Like I can't wait to get to them. so frustrating Yeah, I know but recovery is so important. So it's all part of that that that big package that were talking about. But you know what I think as long as you show up you're going to get progress even if you're not hitting numbers, like I always coach my clients like when it's a one-on-one. I always liked and I'm working to doing online myself, but it is all about how your He feels yeah, it's great to like try and hit numbers but I think as women we have this wave of a hormonal and fluctuation throughout the month and our numbers can be really they can be really off. Can you agree with that? Yeah, like it's like the week before period were like we're beasts and we're so strong and then we get her period And it's like it's just like everything. Yeah, dude. Shit hits the fan. Yes, the recovery's hard. But if you are working to that those limits and the way that that feels the struggle when you're lifting, I think that that's just as good the that is just as important like fuck the numbers at that point like shit man, like as long as it's hard as long as you're challenging yourself because her shit. Yeah, we could totally nerd out about this. Cool. So if you had a message Karina, you know and you wanted to share it with the world. I know we've obviously touched a lot unlike your passions, but what would that because like the platform is yours right now and we have a lot of listeners and we have a lot of people who are looking for inspiration. What is it that you would share with them? Like the cliche like life is too short, but I mean it truly is a really really shouldn't ever hold back or like, you know be afraid to chase your dreams or be afraid to try things or be afraid to to do what you want to do. Like it's so empowering for yourself to just go after anything any dreams or goals that you have like We only get one chance at this life and like, you know every year it's like we get older and time just flies by and it's like, what did you do? Did you did you do what you want to do or you doing what you want to do? I mean the message is simple just literally just after your dreams chase your dreams Chase your goals and enjoy it don't you know, enjoy the journey and in find what you love and go with it. That's that's the biggest thing that I think this changed my life for the better. Yeah, I couldn't agree more I could not agree more and if for any of those that are listening and you don't know what your passions are yet and you don't know what those dreams really look like. I think it's really important just to sit and think real hard what is important to you? What is what means the most to you and maybe step in that direction? You know, and yes try stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but just because we try stuff and it doesn't work. It doesn't mean you're a failure in a sense. Like don't try something else. No, totally go for it. Yeah, but the process it took for you to get there look at the message that you have. There's so much power behind it and had you had you not gone through that process. The message wouldn't be as passionate and is as loud and clear. It just wouldn't. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely fucking love it. Okay. So where can everybody find you let's let's navigate. Power belly pictures for your online programming to people just reach you through that as well. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I just DM me or email me at the email button on there. And then I got you fuckin drinks girl. Well, I love everything that you're doing. I think you are amazing. And I I thinks I think these messages this is this is my passion. This is what I'm like obsessed about because yeah, I've been there. I've been there in the dark, you know and in the unknown Knowing that feeling sucks balls man, like dot it is the worst it's the worst but you know, what if we hadn't been there if we hadn't been there that rock bottom like we wouldn't be doing what we're doing to be honest. Those hardships are so important. Made me who I am today. Yeah as much as it. And today and then thankful and grateful that I've made it through and to be this. Yeah. Yeah, and you're making an imprint while you're here, right? Like we don't know when when our time comes and you know, we've lost loved ones and it's the very sudden thing and why not live a leave a legacy. Why not? The whole point of being here is stepping into our happiness, right? Like what is it? That makes us happy and yeah, those hardships are just part of it. It's that's not a bad thing. That's that's I see that as a positive thing. So thank you so much for joining me Karina. You're the fucking bomb and we yeah, yeah, we'll have to do this again. And next time I come to La we'll definitely get together. I got family and Lala. Yes. I'm car actually coming in August. We're going to be at Huntington Beach. So maybe we can set up a meet and But if the doctor that I'm back here, yeah, I think it's a it's like mid late August when it's nice and hot fuck. Yeah. All right, girl. I stay on the line. Thanks everybody and we will chat soon. Love you all. Okay, here's our little debrief segment after Quadzilla here. I wanted to touch base because after this interview she did have her competition now, she killed it. Of course, of course, right? Like how who how could she not she works so hard she trained so much. Of course she's going to do well now she was busting out this this hashtag the hashtag was Islam just bringing it up 1393 now this is a number combined with her deadlift bench and back squat and that was the number she was trying to reach she exceeded that unbelievable. Like I just and I think it probably am her up seeing a how many people were there supporting her. He don't want to let everybody down. You know when you're on the stage like that you you mean fucking - and she numbers like I literally shared this with my husband. I'm like, holy babe. Okay. I don't know why I'm saying beep and I mean I saw in the podcast. But anyways, she had a 578 back squat. She had a 358 bench. Are you kidding me my bench? I think I've probably hit maybe 165 I don't even How long ago I did that case that is that still sounds like a lot but no hers is like insane now her fiver 501 deadlift. This is something that her and I can both haven't been of common. She feels like she sucks at deadlifts. I feel like I suck at deadlifts. So now we're training deadlifts. It is what it is. But anyhow, she exceeded that number her new number is 14:37. And I want to see this girl beat that number because I know she can she's got the heart. She's got the drive. She's got the grit so congratulations Karina. You absolutely killed it. I'm so proud of you burp girl and hope to Talk to you all soon. Thank you for joining me. Love you all by now.

How we grew up believing what body beautiful was, well everything we learned was not true! What the magazines said, the look everyone was going for seem to be really hard to obtain. And, if you couldn’t obtain it that left most of us feeling not worthy. It’s only been in recent times that having a full figure or muscles was more of the attractive look. So now lifting weights seem to be what everybody was gravitating towards trying to achieve these body image goals. Something that Carina and I have in common (I know many others too) that we thought lifting weights would get us to these imaginary goals. But we then found out that there was more to it than just the way we looked. We have to understand that everybody is built so differently what works for one person may not work for the next. In Carina‘s case she was never a small framed female. In her head to get smaller was to start by lifting weights. Then she found that weights that were heavy for most were actually very light for her. At this point something clicked for her and seem to be very attracted to powerlifting. What she did notice was that there wasn’t very many female powerlifters at that time. But also at that time the Internet was not fully blown with all the access of information that we currently have. It was very limited! Because of her body image insecurities this was something that she only ever dreamed of and did not have enough confidence to persevere. After a near death experience with meningitis she then realized we only have one life to live so let’s just live it to our fullest potential. And that is when her journey began. Her first meet she was able to reach 1000 pounds as a total score. *for those who are unsure what that means it the total scores of lbs bench, back squat and deadlift. The potential after that was endless and it hasn’t stopped yet! Carina’s most favourite achievement is having the world record bench at 341 pounds. She’s hoping to beat this in August at another sanctioned Invite only event. How do you raise kids in the gym? You just bring them. In powerlifting and CrossFit gyms where there’s an open floor concept you could have full eye range on your children given that they are behaving themselves LOL The great part about this is it desensitizes them on how intimidating a gym could be and they get to watch their greatest hero of all time crush it. Her little guy is now a huge part of their culture and powerlifting family. As young as he is, everyone helps out when Carina is working towards stepping on the podium. Carina’s biggest message in this episode and in all of her programming she does for her clients is not just show up but she is a huge advocate of learning to love ourselves. This is an experience that majority of us have to learn because of our culture from the past and sometimes the present on what beautiful is. What it really is, is that YOU are beautiful regardless. And we need to find ways to believe that. It is easier said than done and it takes a little work but that’s OK. That’s just going to be part of the journey of achieving something amazing. When we love ourselves everything is limitless and we don’t care what other people say because we know it doesn’t matter. Speaking more on the negative terms. Now that I have made you think she is a friggin GOD lol please welcome my favourite female power lifter Quadzilla aka Carina ❤️ @quadzilla @boxtalkpodcast @tiff_fit_biff Love you all ❤️

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Happy Halloween. Thank you so much and who's our star panel on the far far left? The man is doing punk rock for you to come to punk rock Champion get everyday to Christopher. That's right today The champ is here. He'll what TK. Yes. You are. Welcome for being you know in my Presence straight event to point O, this is and on his right TK is actually coming as TK for this Halloween give it up for the co-creator of what was frozen weekly Misty Katrina had his coming as black. All right. Yeah. I'll see you every day. We also get an assassin. So now you live indicating something. I mean it tomorrow is Halloween one doesn't mean you do anything for it. I mean, I don't understand this dressing up thing. It's you're confusing me. You know what your online catalog? On the raft. All right, sir. Is he just screwed for Halloween now the utk. Are you hit it's not Scrooge. I'm just like I don't understand like I get I get a text message from globo. Are you dressing up? Well, we don't know that we did. Well Emily and I did three shows will be okay. And for the last one at checkout embryo Neil she was on women's wrestling weekly say he comes for the Big Show's because you know, that's float Me Til.com so he came for that but that's not You just don't do that for a day. So me thinking about dressing up. I was like what what it what kind of text messages some tickets? Time is it and said man, that's what a goat would say. You guys haven't seen today's episode of the bum. Check it out. The man the myth The Legend John Cena and Ever Mac me to go. Does that mean that John Cena liked it or he didn't like it was confused admit. That's what a goat would say, right so good that I think he thinks it's a good idea. And because it's good costume because Evan look pretty emotional. He did. I'm just saying I think I think it's a good thing in the fact that he acknowledged him to begin with his pretty rad. So well, no, they showed it to him on a red carpet. So I was just like, okay, but it wasn't like a happy Mia it was like Was it a mere like it was like a double entendre was like near like whatever. Well, I think if her John Cena sounds like hey, man, this guy's thinks you're cool with a Go costume. I would react the same way. I'm like cool. Going to call a little later on the show first match the night. He'll dark. He'll survive against canister rape part 2 it was her eyes continue to impress canister a I thought you going to win this one, but she doesn't there Christopher talking about that's what the match and overall I am with you. I thought you know larae was going to take it. She's obviously the Babyface. I mean, I just like watching her in general. She's nice to watch so I don't mind. High energy from start to finish just killing it. I thought it was I thought it was a great match. It was a great match. I feel like I said before Candace Ray comes with years of experience, but I still think they're trying to figure out what her thing is until they figure that out. We can't the the NXT Universe can't fully appreciate what she can bring to the table Yeah. That's what I mentioned that if you know as I've watched or listened to You can do both Corey Graves new podcast after the Bell. He had Triple H on there talking about the relationship between NXT and Ron Smackdown when I'm with the whole triple brand things Triple H made a good point in taking the first couple nxt's were takeovers. You wanted these big matches, but now we're kind of getting more into what NX. He looks like to me. It's got a Ministry in the CO2 canister a big match can it seems to be the glue the Women's Division if if You Were Somehow booking them is a vision. Where would you swat Candice now? Following a loss tonight. Well, it seems like they're setting up to roll back down the hill even though she wasn't even able to get back up get up to the top of the hill or even close to something somebody like, you know, I don't even know what they're doing Bianca right now. So it just seems like I don't I don't know what they're doing the writers room. Well, we're going to have a revamp from obviously the looks of it is gonna be a midcard opener somewhere, but she doesn't deserve that. I agree tential I agree. I was talking to Amber O'Neill about Chelsea Green like Chelsea Green is she As everything she has she has the look she can wrestle she can she can be any gimmick you want. She can if she has a mic skills, but you're like I'm you know what they're doing with her. So it's just one of those things where it's frustrating to see you have people who are in developmental still trying to build those skills, or they might never get those mic skills or whatever skills. They're lacking and they have people who have the full package and W is like Mmm, what's he can't let me ask you do you think it's a matter of her not being over enough or them just not knowing what to do with her her not them knowing not knowing what to do with her because she can get over if you have the right you can get over if you have the right gimmick and she has the potential to take that gimmick and make it something but you need the right gimmick. So if you don't have a gimmick then it's hard to hard hard to get over especially if they're not familiar with Indie scene. Sure. Sure. We're the chat shop just Bowser who says Canisteo rocked and in this would be a great match. Until they want to pop this episode today with the World Series in the game seven didn't realize that but as the thing here's an angle that was essentially reheated from the end of the summer, but we didn't mind because the match was wrong was awesome. Right but the oh sure I will get to well are worse Fates going to be I thought that you could have the best case scenario for this right? Let's find talked about the match at all. Well, shout out to Dylan Matthews for hopping and he said, it's Halloween and Australia shout out to him. Yeah these housing summer TK. Yeah. We can discuss it. I'm here always a healty kbq actually where some Real Deals match. We're not going to dried go down that rabbit hole, but however, Chef Dylan Dylan. Thank you so much for the gifts. I appreciate it. He is constantly giving us gifts every every week and thank you for tuning in because you know, what? What does Dylan do again? Dylan is international Man of Mystery. He loves bedroom. He doesn't he doesn't know. We don't know. What no, I never asked them. He's probably had some dough you has about what a job. I hope well, I mean if he's cutting it at work then yeah, it was a good fight. Thank you. Just one last he built he'll pick so Finn Balor comes out and he's all angry because he's been better now right thought it was amazing that his songs the same but the licensing go on we did the whole like theatrical thing like goes on Spotlight finger guns. Looking very very non PG. This week on WB backstage. I'm not sure if you guys are familiar watching it. I've tuned in Finn said something along the lines of SmackDown a Ross Hollywood nxt's Broadway. You really can't fake the funk thoughts about what the new he'll film Balor is and how it relates to Prince of it. You know what Finn? I agree 100% I mean you got the big stage the lights a smoke the mirrors you got Vince you got all that behind you on the Big Show. I agree. It's more little raw gritty and XT gotta prove yourself. You don't have as much um, And you know, I mean, so I agree with Finn it's there's less room for error and you got to actually really bring and I'm not saying the main rosters and bringing of course they do of course, but I mean there is a lot more help there, you know. So like I said lot more smoke and mirrors there and I agree with Finn and I like his approach. I like his attitude. I mean he can back it up with the skill set. And like I said before I think he's gonna just bring this division up. So I'm with you I agree TK thoughts about the fact that you're sitting up and balancing on Gargano. I'm pretty sure - Bella has to go over here. He says in this promo that he'll take Johnny wrestling and make them Johnny watch. His wrestling but the actual program are we still on board with during our down now? He has an opponent in Finn Balor. Are we still going Johnny? Vanilla? Well first routes is you know our because he says we have a childhood shoutouts to shoutouts as you know, I was um, but I think this is going to Breathe new life for Johnny Gargano because we were four he was pretty stale. Mmm. So definitely him and fitness content. That's that's going to do something. But again, Johnny got a nose had so many chances in there and he has reached the Mountaintop. Yeah, the thing now is and maybe I should maybe I will go and listen to that podcast. The thing now is is the goal the same meaning that and XT naught is not necessarily developmental per se but is the goal to move from NXT to raw or Smackdown or are they all on the same level and they're interchangeable? Like is that what if that's the goal? Yeah, then it's going to make sense and that brand for Johnny which is NXT makes sense for him to stay there. Right? It's not addressed in story. But again going by the tribulation of you and Corey Graves podcast. He's saying that the days of it being a liners pretty much done. It's pretty flat really can't like take people like they used to because it takes time to like move storylines with them. But I mean who knows it could be all comers. Yeah, like move them from Rochester. So so the example that Triple H using the podcast was like Rin scholarship which one day and was like, I want to Envision a basic to the four horsewomen from NXT 2 up to the main roster and triplets how to play. To have Oscar stay behind to build that whole division around them. He's saying now NXT on two hours. That's kind of can't happen anymore because of the moving parts now. I'm not sure if it's all talking hat or happened in a minute. And then even the people that left NXT with Lala EC3 and stuff like that or even you know, ricochets having a decent run but it's killing me, you know, it's just like a lot of people they they moved to the main roster and we haven't seen them again. Sure. They're in the the Purgatory black, but it does it does pose a good Question and but I mean to as you see you still which I think a good way around it as Racine like with the kooky Wars today, you know Finn coming back. I mean so bringing those Stars down and kind of train them in and out. I mean that's almost a win-win without having to necessarily bring them all of it. Like you said lose your talent. Yeah true. And there's also like NXT UK is all like the room imperator. He's to also the mix as far as like you can be a talent in and out of the system and not be staling place. If you don't find her some move and have new opponents on that's the thing. I think within that particular. Regular case now because NXT is on TV. It should be easier for them to move into other like to smack down or raw if they're all linear right? So you bring NXT UK into the NXT Universe. Okay, right. So now they're all on TV platforms. So you can move somebody like a Candace larae and have her show up on Smackdown or It Candace and Bailey are really good friends. You can move and and you know create that story line and then weave it through out but the the problem is Every line in the part of the problem is actually creating that that narrative and sometimes it's some wrestlers WWE doesn't doesn't, you know do the long game with some wrestler some wrestlers. They do the long game and it makes sense other wrestlers are just like we don't that's true. So other chat Charlene asked it's punk rock Christopher dresses. Finn Balor was like, yeah, I see that. Yeah, I thought about that I did I did so I mean, yeah, I'll go for it. Yes. Oh wait. Yes. Humbug, TK. Yeah, am I yes you are absolutely humble. Could you ask that me in the chest? And he said why would I do that stupid as you dressed up like yourself and you just brought a belt? Yeah be that good. Hey, but absolutely, right? Yeah exactly and the chats. I'm not trying to figure out what Dylan Matthew does for a living. Thanks a lot to UK hospital. It's kind of vague, but that's moving on. Surprised the heck out of me because he was on the losing end of think. It seemed like Shane Thrones have been having any see built around them being the guy I take out this new talents. But Bronson Reed wins this match would a disgusting Splash like it killed him. He killed them by the crowd seems to be into him, but my brother's reading is upside on how he could be a future player and I see Brandon. I just want to say they felt that Splash on the other side of the world. Oh, yeah. For example of that giant push off the top was already just that's gonna hurt and then having this how much does he weigh again just coming down a lot. That's not fun. No. I mean I thought again, especially a guy his size. Yes, do you lettuces I mean the match is, you know brutes just big strength. It was fun to watch. I will say that and you know, there's one thing I want to say as we're going forward to as I fill these matches are getting a lot more exciting. Yeah, they're finding that Groove to where they're keeping that momentum. It's And it just I personally believe just everything is starting to just be a little more exciting now. Oh absolutely to take a question for you. We're seeing this now with the trend away from big guys to read this book because they're big right Braun strowman. Keighley Bronson read. He's a these are massive dudes, but they can go right do you think there's a place for that now and the way that most wrestler nothing to be going smaller for big guys. I have a place in the card or is that still kind of like a bygone era? We're trying to remix like a Bruno Mars album. Eric well then no, but I think with the key, please another one like I see I can't remember if you were for him or against him but I like him his music you hate his music II see he makes sense because he could appeal to different people in the WWE Universe. You can keep he's like being cuddly so women feel safe around him. He's a friendly guy so dudes are like, oh, he's cool. And he's he he looks nice and he also has this sighs where he's almost superhero like two kids, right? So he's markable on all levels and I think he has the personality as well the problem again. I feel like this is a drinking game. Every time I say storyline the problem is that you know, we've brought him to different story Lines within the last where we in October now sistema within the last 10 months. Yeah, and it's like he gets a little bit of push and then he disappears right and it's like if we if they consistently had booked him for this whole time he Be more of a prominent figure in NXT and he is now so that's the that's the problem you're taking again. You're taking these people who they have legitimate experience. They can go all they need really need. Is that storyline for people to hook their teeth on so Kate storylines aside though. Do you think there's still a place for Bronson read or for a keighley or is that just kind of like we're just doing that because you know know there's Nails the time is where diversity is King now, so yes, there's a place for big geysers place for for small geysers pays for big girls small girl. There's a place for everybody because I've used out now you can see the big guy or the big kid could see themselves in a keighley the small girl can advise and vice versa you now diversity is key the problems. We also need diversity in in the writers room. Sorry, you know just gonna say, I mean, I agree to TK, I think especially I mean this this is a Sporter entertainment that was built on the big guy, right? You know, you probably just bruised so I think regardless Always going to be placed for that even with the new guys even guys, you know that are the 205 is that are you know, just Cruiserweight. I think that that's an added element. I think it's that time as you see just the evolution of the athlete in general the high-flying calisthenics all that stuff. Yes. That's that's great. But you're always going to want it. We always say this but the David Goliath that story never gets old. Absolutely the rocky the underdog that's always an option. And again, it comes down to again the booking and it comes down to the Charisma and the right character as we seen you on Brown had a great one. They pushed him. He was great everybody into It who knows now? Well, here's a here's my concern. This is why I said this all the chronic. He's completely buried he's right. He's never ever but yeah, because the former NXT panelists and current aw host Rock farm and I will talk about this and we'll say we talk about whatever I just want to say I could be wrong right now. Not that there's any competition at our shows but I think we got better views this week. I just want to say oh my gosh. And my little brother putting people over today. I mean, it's personal the question I had before because it whole Wednesday night War thing was with the Funko sourcing of bigger guys having someone who liked Iris who looked like somebody was was huge and menacing and then he's out there dancing with camera and I owe me. No blankets. I don't know. Well, is that something that we have to worry about with people in certain size with this kind of new entertainment where I was I'm going to just well, I mean, they don't have to stay in this and then like I said, this is a good thing like Every big guy doesn't have to be menacing sure. The big guy could be a keighley where yes, he's menacing to a few that the key people were the people that are in front of him who are going to get you know, their ass handed to them. But everybody else he's safe and that's possible that's real world stuff. So, yes, you can have you know, the one guy who's completely menacing but even with with Braun strowman when his tag team partner was that kid neglect. Yeah. You know be standing beside him. Yeah, so it's just like school the next day. Well, yes, and I really liked that story line too, by the way, so it's just kind of like, you know and Bronte at you and saying it's yeah, it was believable. It was endearing as we thought Braun was a complete like, you know menacing than that storyline wouldn't have worked right and to your point to get we've seen in the past when you have will take Mark Henry Francis, he was a menace again the beginning you went to Sexual Chocolate and then you have Rikishi, which he's doing his dance as funke's fun, you know. But he's a big monster as well Sherman. It just depends on the Charisma the bookie all good points all around but we were move on David Chris Burke. You told the world how they listen to this after but shown other after Bus shows. Yes, sir, please wherever you like to get your podcast. Where have you tuned in? Whether it's iTunes Spotify YouTube. Make sure that you give us a thumbs up. Give us those likes make sure you leave us some comments because we like to talk to you guys. We want to know what you're thinking. We want to know how we're doing. We know if we should keep TK around or not. Keep tuned again. That's all jokes all jokes. Yeah, we'll find out. We'll find out. Yes. Thank you so much. Obviously, we can't do this without you guys. We love doing it. Thank you for tuning in just show some love give us likes comments thumbs up. Yeah. Thank you women's Tag Team titles are on the line this Is what the Boston huh connection one to do but Oscar and Kyrie sane brought the bells NXT to take on Dakota County and Knox team. Kick. It doesn't match kind of long didn't like didn't didn't hate it. But it's kind of long with with Kyrie saying Oscar going over but what happened afterwards was the entire women's locker room emptying out with William Regal is being so flustered saying WarGames David Christopher walk me through this talk about the match thoughts about the aftermath and all that first off, you know, I don't know if I like the action more in the match or after the match that crazy chaos. Is pretty much went the way I thought it would it would be it's you know, you got the Kabuki war is coming down. The veterans are going to come down. I mean if anybody thought they're going to be dropping the titles and you're lying to yourself, you know, I mean, come on it's not going to happen. Yeah to you know, the match went he is very dominated. I think early on by the Kabuki Warriors, you know, they took control as expected later on you got that story again where you know the big battle they're getting beat up that they make their stride back really back. You see, you know knocks and Kai coming back that whole thing's great. It got very very very fun to watch towards the end. I believe I think for me, I guess personally because I felt like it was going to kind of be more dominant to the Kabuki Warriors. I wasn't that thrilled by it until we saw later on, you know striking back. Of course the ending was obviously we knew that was going to happen. It was fun. But again, I think the overall craziness it did happen at the end of the match. That's what obviously took my attention and I think the crowd knew that was coming to when they're young or games war games because I mean, so I think it was something that we needed for that. It was kind of predictable. You get a working cell mass qtk as a resident addressing expert you have Team kicked Equinox and Dakota Chi we talked about this last week three knee braces between them. Kyrie. Nice could say work the like are you worried as much as I am that anyone they're going to have a match with we'll call that into store into storytelling the matches always going for the leg or always want to work the leg to wear them down or is that something I'm just like being too greedy greedy about probably okay because I mean in MMA, that's what they do. Sure like the you know, the it's somebody's coming back from an injury injury. That's the first thing that they're going to go for it. So it makes sense. It doesn't it visually them having the knee braces not so much but you know, it is protection and obviously beyond the entertainment part is keeping your person, you know, okay, so, you know that that works I think in countering to what Triple H said on that podcast at the Kabuki war is drop the belt now, you can have Team kick go to different bands and chat and you know take Challengers on sure. So now this is how you Have the brand Crossing I do like the ending how they did have the first female war games because we need that sure. Yeah, but that would have been another angle of maybe not well, yeah both of them as far as character development they're there. So even showing up on Smackdown which Smackdown doesn T ratings sheriff on Smackdown in charge and challenging somebody or even bringing the match to SmackDown right? Meaning that you know, Kabuki Warriors win the belt back again, even though I'm not a fan. None of you know back and forth. But once in a while is not too bad, then when he had back again, zico you it was really lucky that would have worked because now people are living. Well, who are these two girls how they mesh when the belt and now I feel like I didn't need to check into NXT or at least DVR and watch it once in a while, right? Do you think it holds more value having the Kabuki words come down to NXT and have that Feud happen or having Chi and knocks go up to say smack down the road then they should do both. This shouldn't be this shouldn't be a one-off. Yeah, they say, Are we see that? We see them again on the main roster and you do the match again, but now it doesn't really make any sense because like I where we already beat you right? So unless they do a best two out of three, right and that that works too, but we should definitely see the crossover of selective individuals from NXT into into Raw and SmackDown, even though we've already had the you know, the drafted me come on, that's why I personally am a fan of having the Champions get the the hall pass to go to All Brands just the Champions, but right it's not it's a bad thing. Well, I think to now we finally declared who's the heel and who's the face were as we saw Bianca's obviously he'll and now we know Ripley's of face, right? So here's what I have is I had a real to be showing up you sure are being a Ripley Bianca Bill are beads up on Ripley Kenneth Arabia for sure Rye absolute Bedlam in the ring. We had team kit canister Andrea Ripley and outside was Shayna baszler of the rest of the horsewoman Bianca Bel-Air and Aishwarya Rai, that's four against five William Regal said war games. Not that the Russians have been finalized, but it has been a Also in the chauffeur, I'm Kathy Kelly. Okay. Yeah, Kelly Kelly that I was going to be team Ripley of his team baesler. So I'm not sure some before four or five on five or no, but thanks to you. Okay, as far as the war games. Yeah, I mean particularly Ripley is on loan. She is certainly on loan from you. Okay, I'll fix you didn't know that if they separate they maintain the separation of the two black Brands. I don't think she's gonna go back. Okay, Ripley's time is coming. I'm saying it now. Our time is coming. She's going to take the belt pretty soon. It's gonna happen. Enough, but speaking of NXT you came over now. We had the inaugural United Kingdom Champion Tyler bait taken on Cameron Grimes. Now Tyler bait. I like the guy. He's only 22 years old tremendous upside. I don't know if you guys agree or not, but that magic but against vaulter this year card of takeover was the best. I've seen all year the crowd in season to begin to him. So I know in the show we talked about well are people watching nxe classic and XU K. Taliban looks like he's the kind of guy could be a crossover or Talent. Is he more of a gateway to British Strong Style wrestling and picked on? Well, you have to remember to the NXT Universe there a little bit more versed on. I want to call it the appreciation met you Finn Balor was right because it's like it takes a certain individual to really appreciate Broadway people who watch TV and movies, you know, you have people who watch Broadway as well, but it's like it takes a certain person to actually like appreciate it and actively go so it feels like the NXT Universe they can appreciate British drunk Strong Style because they can appreciate wrestling on on a whole. Okay? Yeah. I think I agree with that too because I think if you're watching NBC in general Just a real wrestling fan, you know rassling. Yeah little wrestling but I mean and I just want to say I love The Clash of styles here and and Bates, you know, his crazy athleticism. It's high-flying, you know and Grimes to that that backflip into that suplex was insane. I was not only for sure how I would not expect that from a guy like that. Right? So I mean that match is awesome. Kevin Graham gets the dub because killing daintily get involved be kind of stared down Thai lady was like in his head and whatever. Yeah, Killian Dane. He's kind of guys been knocking around for a while. It's like somehow this program with Tyler bait. Are we now on board Killian? Are we still not sold on the guy? I'm still not sold on a guy. I'm just I don't know. I mean, we'll see what have we knew that was going to have done right? We're sitting here like, okay. So when's this gonna end fold? Yeah, like he just broke his fingers and that was it. Yeah, so I mean we're waiting for that. We knew that was gonna happen. So we'll see what happens. I'm not sold yet though. Yeah drinking game storyline. With a lot of these people with you're going to present them to us. So we have the discussion. I have discussion with Amber we talked for like over two hours off the show Charlotte. Make sure you check out the episode put yourself over I know right? But the thing is, you know, you have a lot of people in the locker room. And you know, the rumor is WWE's holding a lot of people the locker room, you know, and they're staying home doing whatever they're doing. But the ones that they bring forth you need to put something behind them. Like there's only a few people that you can throw into a man. Each and they need no storyline and they tell the story in the ring. Sure. That's a whole that's upper echelon of rest of wrestling that few wrestlers currently in WWE can actually have right. So you need the back of the you need the the backing of the storyline for the universe to get behind you with him. It just seems like oh we're good. They're doing the same thing that they're doing keighley. Here you go. I agree with you. I never short for time. But here's a counter point though. A lot of times when a wrestler gets or Superstar Whatever Gets A. Of storyline and we don't feel they have the talent we say they've been shoved down our throats. I mean isn't that the also the other danger of that giving someone a good story like evening and example I Roman Reigns, right? Oh, man, I think that was a horrible horrible. Push for Reigns is way too soon the first one. Yeah, I mean, but I digress but I say look man, I don't get why he gets a storyline that I was like guys like why in particular is Little bit different than a lot of folks. We discussed the reason why Roman Reigns just didn't get over with some folks. Yeah, you know you had dudes who didn't like him because he was handsome and girls who like, you know want to FM. It was just kind of it was just a mistake. I always come down to Charisma. I just think the natural Charisma that's a huge factor in getting yourself over regardless of your character. I mean if you can't Christmas first and talents up there, but if you watch the promos that he did with the rock for the movie that they're in your he has its One of those things where you're like you see some people as wrestlers and they lack Charisma and it makes sense why they're terrible on the mic makes it slightly terrible, but you see Roman reigns with The Rock and you see how they they banter back and forth. I'm like, why are we getting this version of Roman Reigns? Well, hold on one second. Let me stop you right there TK because some Roman Reigns hate what the hell you're talking about. One of the greatest of all time. You're talking about the rock right the great 1tk. So I mean he'll he can bring he can bring. A lot of anybody, you know, I mean on top of the fact that near talking how many years fast forward now from when they've been trying to push Roman Reigns to the he's had time to build up to learn to get better to you know, actually improve his skills exactly. There you go. That's right. That's right. But think of the rock he was a good-looking guy guys, maybe hated on with for yeah. Okay, but I mean so I don't think it would at least person for me. It wasn't that it was just having that and they even a always go back to HBK you'd they can just sell right? They can sell they're good at what they do naturally. For me personally, I don't see that Roman. He's never had it but that's the thing when I'm talking about when him and The Rock worth it. This was that damn just talking. So some people like the rock they can and even tell see green is a good example of that. You can give them whatever character and they're going to make the things about example. I think Roman is a bad example for this. Let's say when they when they pushed Zack Ryder to be in a champion. I was a huge Zack Ryder fan at home be like who is clown getting u.s. Title match, right? Because I'm saying Sterling was Christmas. I love his act rain man. Yeah. Don't need any candles or cocoa butter or any body scrub. You can go on the website and turning that.com put in the put in the code AfterBuzz TV and you get a nice little discount that way you can Christmas is right around the corner. I got a hater. Is going to tag team duo or they you know, formerly they formed it today. So I don't know if they're going to keep it but I am believing it Matt riddle and Keith Lee who I like that is I didn't necessarily like the big blue on just keighley but the combination be baby blue on both of them. I'm feeling really corny backstage. Well, you know, you weren't that I'm ready for them getting a proper both either together or separately getting a proper push because it's deserve That would be a keep leaving the Metrodome at real still has time to to grow but keighley I feel like is he's just it's just that one element. Don't be a fun tag team. Yeah, that was pretty dope. I wanted him to talk some more but we went on now it's time for a full because Boo Thing of the week. Nothing of the week is not sponsored by senator in cosmetics. Don't put in a promo code. Answers. Yeah, okay. Okay, that's fine. The canister a like I said big match Candice whenever you need a dope women's match. He's become the reliable one. I know a lot of times people who are reliable get kind of overlooked here, but I really think canister as a bunch of upside. If you haven't seen how it matches in the past and independent scene. She can go hard. I mean how your home painting a child to him. Show me a lot of her back catalogue and I'm just a huge fan of cancer a so, that's why she is my boo thing we feet I approve that message flow. Thank you. Tonight Kyle O'Reilly Bobby fish Undisputed are taking on keighley and Matt riddle were talking about noon Mountain on the live chat says boo thing of the week question mark exactly the match itself must be a new viewer. Yeah exactly. She has a purpose. So this match was amazing. I like to see Matt riddle and Kathy tag again in the future, but it always seems like he's guys are just two different planets different tracks talked about the match start with you David about them working together and that way it ended again. Like I said, I think we're going to say same thing, but I You know riddles awesome. I think the guy has so much potential. I see him going down Main roster for sure keighley is always fun to watch again. Hopefully gets a good push. I mean, they're both the kill it of course, we have the Champions and bad guys, you know, I mean, so I mean I think riddle in Lee dominate the match and beginning which you know, the good guys would surprisingly to me think would go the other way, right but and then later on you see the Champs come back and then comes in Spanish Moss or whatever, but I think overall just a back and forth match what you would expect was great. I like I said I like the pairing of Lee and riddle. I think that was really fun to watch some low spots in there were great. Just the energy they brought it was very entertaining. Yeah, that's the ticket thoughts about Kyle O'Reilly Bobby Fischer's Tag Team Champions. They can go from no badass dominant heels to being the Cowardly kills. I mean, they're arranging their run. How do you like them? I I dislike when we go in knowing that the belt is going to be retained like I mean, yes, of course every time can't be a time massive surprise, but If you're gonna I I do hope that they keep keighley and that riddle together because then it seems like it's a legitimate tag team and they're setting up for something in the future. However, if they separate them next week, then it just seems like oh, well, we just need a filler which to me then that's disappointing because it doesn't add to the story of the match. Well, it seems the story the match is setting up for war games. But Thomas to travel coming out with his crutch. I love that. He's okay now gold. He's saying sorry Goldie this To wait I'm going to war now the Undisputed error has been in that workings match and last two years were wondering how I was going to work out because they have all the belts or the championship. You don't call them Bells right? Whatever thoughts about this idea about too much traffic coming back and going into war games against presumably then it's been an error. Well, I mean shout out to him for making an inanimate object part of a story drunk, you know, that's Xavier with Francesca over the hammer like Triple H. Yeah, so I mean and it's not even here. Is inanimate object anymore. So and I believed him like when he said I'm you know, gold you'll have to wait like that was so believable and I am excited to be like, you know, it's, you know seems kind of creepy but you know, I'm bored. Yeah, I always tell people who they like a wrestler and I don't mean this literally I know you don't do this, but would you presumably by tommaso Champa smerch are you that on board with his involved in his character? Like now? I'm not saying you literally I'm missing you you would like wear that your love. Externally, we tell people about I'm thinking that were to ever buy a shirt the next year because I have I do have some shirts the next shirt I would get is true prophets. Okay, go support because what the brothers out there with are you on board with the month of July? I'm not more than right. Now I am I I liked like that and that ending it just I felt that with utk. He's just like I'm going to war classy excitement. Yeah. Yeah next week dealing precincts on Pete Dunn and imagine I'm looking for kinda sorta, but we'll get more into that but right now The phone lines are now open for 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 2 4 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 2 next week Damien. Priest Pete done killing day in the background is like a specter ghost is waiting to attack get his finger retribution or Justice. We talked about Killian Dane. We talked about Tyler bait now Pete done. Here is somebody who is on NXT classic there. Everyone's talked about how good of a talent he is. Glad to meet you. I personally I don't feel he has a right platform storyline even it's okay. So tell me And during the exactly is alien. Priest. The guy I think Damian priest is the guy to go a different route away from done. You know, I think yeah. I mean, I agree with you with done. I don't think it's right platform. Not really that stoked on the storyline either. So I feel like this is just another repeat to kind of build that storyline for them. But priests needs to do his own thing. Wow, I feel the same way. I'm reading the chat here. A lot of people are talking about the war games matches those opposes CBS Sports review. That regions and the team captains government were saying before CBS does cover us lie. Yeah, they actually have a w be done. Right dude. I'm not sure they do the other promotions as well. No, okay. Let's talk about the promos of other talents that were in his features much. I would personally Oscar and kerosene got a promo, but they were on the show Angel Garza and Mia em both got a little bit of a little bit of promise on my what they are. So me and Mom said she's a road That Grew From Concrete. It looks like they still have faith in me. I am how would you introduce? Her back, it looks like she's not going to war games a little she's not going to be in that pay-per-view, but she says our talent that support enough to have her own personal package again. It's the same thing like we have somebody who's legitimately in the game has a skills has the talent and this is again, where were talking about diversity not only in front of the camera, but behind the camera the people I and you know it you are watching WWE prove me wrong and show me. Screenshot of the people behind the scenes making these decisions in writing these stories. Okay, because it's just seems like you know there there is a story with me I am and they're trying to find that angle like for instance. You have Bobby Lashley. Like I'm it's a love-hate with Bobby Lashley. However, Uncle coming in hold that thought hello. Hello. You're on the air. Hi guys, how are you? Tell the world who you are who you are where you're from. Certainly in from Sacramento Sunshine. Yes, so I know this probably isn't the correct show, but I'm wondering what your thoughts are about the Saudi Arabia show happening tomorrow and then the women's match that they just announced today. That's like to get well we did talk about this a woman's wrestling like you so definitely tune in we had Amber O'Neill on the show by the way, check it out. Of course, he's gonna promote this one the one that is in what you know, Levi I am I am I am for it. However, it's like I said our moms are stimulated which happen at four o'clock today, but you're okay. You're okay with that. It's just one of those things that Saudi Arabia is just such a messy situation situation with W have a handful of people who are not going to watch it just because of everything that's going on the political side of it and then be how W, does these things the Crown Jewel They Don't Really tie it in. With the rest of the storyline after it happens like they plug it, you know, because I don't know if they're contracted contractually obligated to but they plug it and they do, you know, something that has nothing to do with the storyline in general for raw or Smackdown and then they just disappears. So I'm happy for the ladies. But if they didn't do it it wouldn't have been something that was clamoring for. What I am clamoring for is am a young classic 3 and it's coming it's coming. Well, it was coming then it should be an annual thing and we're approaching the end of this year. So therefore it's not annual I'm pretty confident happened with the end of the year. I got to double-check that but we have thoughts about the master and a woman's Evolution evolution is not announced but thoughts about the match. No, I mean, I think it's a good thing absolutely any kind of push we can get like that especially in that kind of platform in that that respect is I think great for the women, so I'm for it to be a good match for me personally. Is amazing for two different reasons one if I could be a little bit cynical not already has a body suit, right? She has to be more modest for that for that for the number. That's true. And I do think she's a technical wrestler that can really show the Saudi. Audios. What women wrestling can do as far as her range and lazy Evans. Once you had a program with Natalia. She's worked with her before and her character being the lady can also lend to it being modified for the Saudi audience. I know these matches are always kind of loaded when it comes down to it it w has a one goal of the business. And that's expanded platform wherever it can so, I don't knock the shows and show some stuff. I try to watch a live. But yeah, I'm glad with the mattress happening. I have one more question if you don't mind. How long of a match do you think they'll give them see? That's and that's what I was thinking. I yeah, I I worry that it might be short. Hmm. Not sure it will say what five minutes maybe okay. Well, I mean that's that's fine versus a two-minute thing. Like I'll take five to eight minutes it especially at the audience is not because when this first happened the whole Saudi Arabia thing and we had Sasha Banks and Alexa Bliss over there over there was it's howdy. Did they go they were in the Middle East? I'm not sure I agree with the culture but this is what the culture is doing and you are now entering into the culture then you have to abide by the culture and if they are they're not necessary and they're paying for this and they're paying a hefty amount of money and you know, they're saying, okay. Well, we don't mind seeing women's wrestling, but we only want to see it for eight minutes. It's then at least they're getting that platform to Showcase, you know, Ryan's wrestling but if they do it for 20 minutes in the audience could care less than that's definite mental to you know that happening again. So, you know in small dosage small doses might be better. Yeah. I just hope to be step. Yeah. I just hope it's not gonna be like something like 3 minutes for sure right? Thanks for cautiously appreciating us. Thank you. You guys are awesome. You guys have a great afternoon. You're awesome dude. Thank you. 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He's been on here a couple of times has this playoff Run for the Patriots is going to be a revenge tour. I don't know what that means. They were the the franchise of the decade. Yeah, they're the franchise in the best franchise in the history of professional sport. Basically, the only people that can really compete with them or potentially the San Antonio Spurs Nana and Texas and I think that's it. Maybe Manchester United back in the day when we were younger and they had all the good players David Beckham Wayne Rooney and they're on TV all the time. Maybe they had a good run. I don't know soccer well enough but the Patriots what they Able to do the last 20 years is the most impressive thing in all of sports and now somehow someway they have figured out a way to call this a revenge tour after being the reigning defending Undisputed Super Bowl champion. And for that that's why I love Belichick. That's why I love the Patriot Way and they're turning this into a completely motivational thing, but I don't know if that's going to score points for him. I just don't know if that's going to happen. I hope it does for your sake and for the Patriots fan base because you guys haven't got to experience happiness enough 3 2 2 3 2 3 As you said, yeah that thing's over 2 to 3 days my friend. Whoa, I got something here just to think about a know your numbers guy know you're a gambler. Yeah that will check when playing a team in the playoffs that he didn't face in. The regular season is 15:2 and one against the spread 16 and two straight up. That's what good Patriots tapes pretty good a hell of a record of balichek. Is that I bet you Mafia you Italians pile of Belichick? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah for the win. Same of the decade in the NFL. I remember Stars when I first got into sports gambling when I first got into sports gambling because when you're in the NFL, although that dude that was on ir and Arizona was just caught gambling when you're in the NFL or any professional sport. I'd assume as soon as you walk through the doors. They tell you not to be Pete Rose, right? Don't be Pete Rose don't Gamble and sports and I had too much to worry about where I didn't even think about gambling on Sports. Anyways, even though I had a lot of Italian friends too many italian friends growing up. So I mean Sports gambling was always something that was chat about But for me, I was just always so far away from it because like I would even tell some of my friends that love sports gaming. I'm like, you know, I don't even know how I'm gonna I don't even know how I'm going to do this weekend. Like maybe maybe I got a cough that's been keeping me up like two hours at night and you have no idea about that and maybe what I drop a snap like the kid from Wisconsin and they run one back. I mean you have no I don't even know if that's going to happen. I don't know how you could think about it. So I just I always thought it was the dumbest thing ever. So then I retire and I'm like God again, but gotta get into it and I started doing it my man. Bat was the second half points for the New England Patriots. I just assumed that when Tom Brady and Josh McDaniels put their big beautiful brains together at half time. They're going to be able to figure out and dissect the other team and say it made me thousands of dollars and then it stopped and then it didn't happen anymore. And it feels like that's kind of what had happened to this Patriots team is that the Patriots offense just hasn't been able to figure it out until maybe this Last couple weeks they were able to move against that Buffalo Bills defense like it was no problem. But then who played them the next week the Buffalo Bills somebody played Buffalo Bills next week. I don't know and move them all over him. And then the dolphins go into Foxborough and they were able to stop Tom and they were able to score against Tom. So now it was like what I thought was once a problem for them not being able to move. I thought they had it fixed and correct it against the bills then they play the Dolphins and it's like wait a minute. I had this rule where I'm not betting against the Patriots this year. I said that I'm not going to bet against them. I'm not going to bed. Some in this weekend. It feels very hard not to bet against them. And that's exactly where they want exactly where they want me. Is that not right Connor? I mean, that's completely right. I mean we want everyone to write us off and then go on this revenge tour and chip-on-the-shoulder get it done Phillip Dorsett became a weapon deep for them again, right? So Phillip Dorsett was hurt there for a little bit because when I was on get up Rex Ryan would always say that and even Tom Brady said it when Tom Brady sat on the sidelines looked at his team, and he said I need you to be faster. Sir, I need you to be quicker. I need you to be more explosive just all these things. He was pleading with a bunch of humans to do things. That humans just can't fix sitting on the sidelines. Right so everybody was saying they weren't fast enough. They didn't have enough weapons, but I got a chance obviously you see Phil Dorset whenever he was at the Colts. He ran like afford to he was very fast and at the beginning of the Season he was making some big plays for them down the field. He was hurt for a while. They lose that he came back last week or two weeks ago and he started getting some shots. I think you dropped a water too, but that could Really help out the offense. Then the kill Harry could potentially help out the offense and the offensive lines may be getting hot enjoying Ottomans always going to be this girl found in the not I mean we're talking about what if they get hot right now and go on a run and just piss everybody off yet again, that's going to be a frustrating thing. Whenever we wake up on Monday in this is going to be the same old story that the Patriots Buzz saw the Titans. I mean, that is very very That is and that is that is a potential to happen. I mean, we have a chance on Monday to wake up at City Patriots do it yet again when nobody thought the people in the past have buried them after week to week for week six saying they're not the same Patriots, but it's never gone this long like that it I don't know if you could flip a switch this late in the season and just figure stuff out this late in the season. So Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, let's assume that he didn't just put a blue print out there from Ryan Tannehill. I just assumed he didn't because Neil knows he can't do anything arrived Fitzpatrick, right Ryan Fitzpatrick. We've said this before braying of a Harvard guy heart of a plumber and we'll run his face into anything and do anything. He is a nominal in anomaly. He's beating the Patriots for every team in the Patriots division himself. He's an anomaly so let's assume the Tannehill just can't do exactly what they did which is something that maybe they possibly can especially with Derrick Henry a to what 40 to 50 and the bat. I don't know man. I I'm very indifferent on this. Entire thing and you said that the Patriots thinking now you're backing off of it because you don't your friends from back home to Yellow, you know, I mean, they haven't looked great and you loose the Dolphins in Gillette. It's hard not to say that the Patriots think that's the real. That's the only one I don't have a good feeling about gambling was this weekend. We've been on a little bit of a heater gambling here, by the way. I mean, you're not so much you picked Auburn over Minnesota. You should have no Sky you borrow the boat. I mean you knew that you should have known that I figured better players would win but you know that that it happened but PJ Flack you to your bed again. DJ flight yesterday and in a bowl game as far as other day before I understand this. I think you were getting too and you're starting to feel yourself too much. You remember? No, it's Peaks and valleys but two weeks of PJ Flex know motivating those kids two weeks of that. There was no way they weren't just gonna go out there and buzzsaw. Oh, yeah. Also that might have that might as well have been like the Rose Bowl for Minnesota. Like they're not used to playing in those big New Year's Day bowls. So you knew they were going to come out and be ready to go if the mob didn't get the with us Wisconsin kicker. I think we're okay the putter. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how that happened. I guess it just slips out of your hand. And it's when your Ponting when you're putting the first thing you have to think about these catch the damn ball. There's a lot. That's the first thing I think about because every time you go on the field, you got to catch a ball. I used to wear one glove, right? Because I like the I like to feel the ball with my right hand because whether it's laces or something when you're trying to drop it perfectly flat also, you don't want the stickiness of the glove to potentially knock it off center because it has to be perfectly straight as well when you drop it so I didn't wear it there. But every time I caught a ball I would watch like anytime I watch somebody catch a ball in practice. Why does she do they always have these? Love's on it made it look so easy. Every time I was going on a field I'm catching a ball. I'm like, well, I'm definitely going to use a glove so I would always have one glove on commentators big. I don't know why he has a glove catch a ball every single time on the field. I've more receptions every single game than damn near every wide receiver on the team at literally its it was mine bat. So I would catch it and I think the biggest Advantage I had I honestly think the biggest Advantage I had because I I took a little bit longer steps, but I was able to get the ball into a position to bomb it quicker than everybody because I want to so much work on the jugs machine. Like I want to work on the jugs machine that would get a lot of damage from college kids that were Partners. They would send me like film and like how do you think I get better? I'm like work on your hands. You get better hands. You probably punt the ball better. That's the first thing I think that people don't take account for and it seems like that gets done in a couple times down the last couple games. It's you gotta get real comfortable with balls in your No real though, you got to have good you have to have good dexterity with the ball. And I don't know how you slip out there. Did you what I would also if I were a glove on my left hand and then I would lick my fingers more than Brett more than Aaron more than Dan Marino. I would lick my fingers a lot because just the thought of that things slipping out there. That's a nightmare. They're just getting clobbered and that's at Utterback got away that poor guy. He got slammed right now face gave up a touchdown then they lose his entire offseason. He has to deal with that. He has a deal with that every single day of his life for this entire off. See that's a night. You dropped one once and still got a kick off then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah something did you jukka God thank you. It's the snap was that like my right shoulder by Overton. And for some reason I just like if you just have a lack of focus right for one sec. I like looked away and I think went bouncing out of my hands and that's the it was on Thursday Night Football. I think that's a full like poop your pants like my oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is this is not how this is like this isn't a video game. This is real life. I'm gonna have to walk back over to that side line and stare at a bunch of real athletes where I just dropped the ball and now they're going to score a touchdown. So I scooped it up and took a good bounce to me and I'm like, okay A little bit of athlete here and I turn and there's just a look to be a six foot four 240-pound guy with like a number 57 staring at me and I'm like, oh no, so I hit him with a little I hit him with an L1 or an R1 what makes people smile FL one I want. Yeah, so I hit him with an L1. Was a little bit I didn't stop on a dime. It was more like a half dollar. I was like a little bit of a Skip and then I got a pun off but penalty we had too many men down past the line of scrimmage had to come back. Next one guy was run by leg, but got the punt off. It was just a bad moment. But yeah ball on the ground ball slipped out your hands nightmare situation and there's some punch you see where the ball is slipped out of the punters hands. You can probably tell by the outcome of the ball, but didn't get it on the ground. That's that's that's tough stuff that do you have fire see Patience for those or is it always just get it up and pun it as soon as real goal. You have fire situations, but those never work. Anyways, I mean because by the time you say fire the guy you're supposed to throw to it has already been run over blasted in the face. You're always like all right, let's let's practice at least one fire today because you don't want to tell the offensive line, right? So you just have to like before one kick. I'll look at Vinnie and I'll be like I were doing a fire here. Are you got it every single time. It never feels get down fire fire. A fire and then it's a little look back. Oh my God, that'll work at a game. That'll work again. I don't know how many successful ones that are. But that was quite a turn in that game. Most special teams plays like that are by the way organ that Herbert kid. I'm intrigued by what happens with him in the NFL. I didn't like the way in the Oregon Utah game where he did well by all accounts he did. Well, they zoomed in on his face and this just sounds like judging a book by it's cover. I like to see something in like the eyes of of like somebody, you know, like I think That's a big I think you can tell a lot by guys especially in the middle of the game how he's carrying himself. I don't know how he's going to do look like a bit of an athlete yesterday though gave a guy stiff on through the ground. I have a pretty good didn't press this. He's had too many Duds this season a lot of thoughts lot of dots in and being an NFL quarterback is not easy like a lot. I think that's the they'll be senior bowls and all these bowl games or they'll be like eight of the best quarterbacks in college football. I'll be there one or two of them is going to play. Well, it's just not easy to get into the NFL and play. I would assume Joe Burrows get to because he's in an NFL system. He's been doing very well. I don't know if that guy is ready yet. Maybe he will develop and want to over this offseason or something like that. Or maybe I'm missing something which could be true because Pac-12 never on television, but it just every time I see him. I don't go like oh, yeah, that guy's an NFL quarterback Sam on a lot of these mocks have him going to the Chargers and you wonder if like the the step from Philip Rivers to him if people aren't going to be as patient because it's like, you know, I mean granted Philip never won a Super Bowl or anything, but he was he was very good for a very long time. Talking about him come to the Colts now solid. Oh Todd doesn't like it. I don't mind it. I love it. I don't mind it at all Indianapolis. Great place for a family. Bring all 40 kids that come on out here good cost of living. I think he Philip Rivers in Indianapolis have a hilarious history because back in the day. The reason why I got drafted is because the Chargers beat the Colts a lot because of field position Mike ciphers ciphers. Yeah. My almond Mike ciphers had like the greatest game in the history of punters in this play. AFC Championship game I think her AFC divisional round. He had like six months. He might have averaged 95, but I'm insane and every single one was inside the five. They got rid of Hunter Smith after that game. I got brought in immediately because of that but Philip Rivers and Indianapolis have quite a relationship and I think once they learn about Philip Rivers how he like he doesn't swear, although he is chirpy which he talked a lot during games, which is awesome. He never swears. He has great history likes work ethic that crying in the press conference. I think Indianapolis could sell him like I liked I Philip Rivers would be very much welcomed in this city. I just don't know you look like he was throwing some Med balls. Oh, yeah, you look you look like sometimes there's get a little bit heavy there this year and maybe I was wrong maybe I wasn't watching right things, but it'll be cold at Philip Rivers. Jacobi's qbr was twenty third in the league Rivers was 24th. So I don't understand what was like the worst year ever has ever had. Yeah. Well, I mean if you bring rivers in though, you're giving up you're giving up on Jacoby for sure like this. It's hard for him to come back after. If you bring in you say it's hard for Jacoby come back if he gets bench for Philip Rivers. Yeah. Why take a shot Philip Rivers like that? I'm not you did. I'm just saying if I were a she has confidence in you don't bring in Philip Rivers. No, because then you're bringing in an actual starter like Philip Rivers isn't gonna be there to be a bat. No, Philip Rivers is like majan him as a backup, by the way, ah the amount of talk to the starting defense if he was running scout team and practice would be out of control. He's not coming to be a bad. No, no, no was enough teams. I would assume that would use him. He's probably gonna have to I don't know if Philip Rivers gonna do it's interesting it is Interesting Curtis Ballard has an interesting decision Indianapolis. Very interesting. You could draft guy. He's got nine draft picks this year. He can move Chris Ballard can move in the draft if he wants we'll talk about a guy who's think about moving in or out of the draft to in a little bit plus the rest of these NFL games that we didn't get to about the locks and we have like Philadelphia by the way. Mmm-hmm like Philadelphia by the way home dog. He's got dude. I like Philadelphia. By the way. I like New Orleans and I like Euston the lines of moved a little bit New England was four and a half now they're mine. Is five and a half Houston went from three to two and a half Norland went from eight to seven and a half. I could be wrong. I've been on a heater black could be wrong. I don't know. I got people tweeting me there were like I've made so much money off of your bets and just fading you like that's now you have not yet. No, I understand. That's just like standard internet chirping this but that is just not accurate. Like I've I have raked in from vandals and sure they're paying us a lot of money. I've seen the account and I enjoy Not exactly. I think I think they probably have like list of people that are hot right now or in whatever. I'm probably up there near the top of the like, who is that that's a guy we're paying the be frozen you out a couple. Yeah. It's a little bit it is taking a little bit to get in gambling. It's the worst vandals the bus stop. Oh, yeah, that's fast. There's so many ways to win on there there really? Is there so many little Wagers if you just almost too many and you start looking at those plus like 3,000 plus 20 3501 be like yeah, dude. I will drop a little past that guy little Hideout screen for the tackles. You know, what happened to him. He better Christmas Day LeBron have a triple double LeBron missed it by one rebound one rebound, huh? Oh my God. It was I was a plus plus 750 Ono's 357 fault did the Braun said it was it was a bronze fought there was one there was a rebound with 30 seconds left that he just let out screws. So grass goddamnit LeBron don't think you're a lot of safety. I don't think there's any way you're allowed to say what you just said. No, you can't shunned the holy. Hey Don did that just get dumped I soon. I think that's a No-No. That's a No-No. He said no damn. It is fine. I just can't use the Todd is mine. Just placing those two together in that particular order. I don't think you go the opposite order. Damn it God. Yeah. Yeah because he he or she did something there where you're okay. Yeah like Alex Jones Hamilton you want and saw that the other day I did. How was it you feel cultured? I've been really. Hamilton's touring now and I don't know they're probably making a bazillion. He got F Squad. Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter. They're all good. I was saw the Book of Mormon when it came to the Indianapolis, which is probably like the Z Squad by the time it was on still good still fun. It was amazing and you learn something in there. Yeah, George Washington loved ladies. Really? Yeah. I didn't learn that from that movie from that show. I might get confused who George was. Yeah. I think a lot of them Zito going to have that might be a series and of itself zero. No going to high society reviewing it. Did you dress up? Yeah, I hadn't had on the he was eating his breakfast sandwich this morning with a fork and a knife. Well because I don't need bread anymore. It's right accountabilibuddy is 2020. They are you shaving me. Yeah, you know, I'm just why are you body shaming is either dude? He's coming to Hamilton. He's eating a sandwich has with a fork and a knife now. It's impressive with him. It's a compliment Nick Nick lives on a train track. Smart plug your exit. I mean the people living there trains it happens. If you live near train, that's not my backyard. You're actually like one of those train track kids right now take a hike. I respect that right after this. I'm listening to this podcast while laying in my bed next to my half-naked fiance. I used my lawn mower 2.0. So I'm fresh and so clean clean and possibly thinking about doing the deadly with my lady here. But if we don't kids were old and we just go to bed and fall asleep. At least. I know that I'm sleeping on the most comfortable mattress that has ever been created and this mattress just showed up in a box on my doorstep. 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Yeah, that one's things a little bit to lose the Rose Bowl by point in the game that you feel like you just outplayed Him in all three phases outside of the stupid mistakes. You made the turn overs as an offensive lineman who loves the dirty ugly nasty games of Seven to five field goal safety, no turnovers. No penalties. That was a hard one to swallow as a badger fan. I think I might as well just let you have it. Let you do it too. How about your partner? Just dropping the ball and I were to and losing the game. Well, that's another reason why the punters and kickers should be eliminated from the sport because when they ruined the game and they ruin my happiness, it's just unacceptable. They're too small of a part there too wimpy of people to be putting the game on their shoulders and to be putting my happiness in their hands. It's just not okay. I mean warranted in that particular case ball slipped out of his head, but I can respect the Meathead and you understanding that all the other things happen for that to occur in change. The game is a bit of a bummer for the guy feel terrible for me. He's gonna live with that forever. Let's move forward now Cleveland Browns are getting zero takers on the bait that the throwing out there for the head coaching gig who would want to be the head coach for the Browns and why aren't you potentially going to be the head coach of the Browns? Well, I think this might be I'm too busy make a spoiler alert. Then I'm throwing my hat in and I'd like to be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns. The last moment they have to overturn and I'm ready to take on the challenge. Okay, so there's been word out this morning from Bruce Feldman who dig says by all accounts in the college football world is in the know with the right people. He's saying that Urban Meyer is somebody that they are very much thinking about courting and trying to get that gig Urban is still beloved in Ohio from what he did at Ohio State is that the right guy who could potentially come in get the discipline for the team fun to write offensive coordinator right this defensive. Later in turn the Browns organization around which is what has seemed to be about. I don't know 75 years of failure together. There's been a lot of years of failure. Probably not quite 75, but right up in the 60s, I think Urban Meyer, I'll give you the quick pros and cons on him Pro great leader. Great with this the plan toughness building that winning culture. And so I think as far as that side of it goes they're really lacking that and that's a big reason why Fred he's not the head coach anymore. You need somebody with a big personality. Going to command respect who's going to demand it from his players. He's going to get a lot out of his players and he's going to be able to take all those big Personalities in the Browns and get them to play together as one for common goal. So as far as leadership building a winning culture, he's excellent. The thing that I would say is as big as Khan as he's never worked in the NFL fan, so he doesn't have the contacts that he's worked with that have NFL experience to be able to hire a staff and I think one of the most important and sort of underrated parts of being a head coach is building out that staff not only your coordinators, but all those assistants that are going to be working one-on-one with those players on a daily basis. You got to be able to put together a good staff that has some type of NFL experience because the game is different from college to the NFL and a head coaches. I think you can make that bridge in that jump in today's NFL if your have some type of NFL experience if you've worked with a bunch of guys that have NFL experience so that you can hire those guys but Urban being a guy that has never worked in the NFL. And have co-workers that have worked in the NFL. So if he makes that jump he's going to have to hire a bunch of guys that either all college background that he's worked with or you're going to have to just hire a whole staff of guys that you depend on interviews or recommendations from other people. And so I think if you fill out a staff the best staffs are going to be filled out with guys that you've worked with that you trust that you know, how they're going to act in their how they're going to coach guys on a day-to-day basis. Well, those guys also know your mess. Judge, if they've been with you before who's been coaching for a long time, it's going to be hard for urban and Dodge dip dive duck. ER Dodge his way into a new coaching strategy. If you bring somebody in it's different than his philosophy. Do you think that's more from a way they handle the humans or the way, they handle the football aspect a difference between the NFL and college when it comes to these coaches. What's both and that's why it's so important is because both those factors play into it and you're going from coaching a bunch of 18 19 20 year olds that have no money and you own them based on. You give them a scholarship so they have to listen to you. When you're a college coach in the NFL every single one of these dudes make way more money than you they have families. They've been doing this a long time. Then at that point have a lot more experience in the NFL game than you do. And so it's harder to get the respect of NFL players. You have to prove it to them in the meeting room that you know what you're talking about and you're going to give them good coaching from a technique and from the scheme standpoint. You're going to put them in the best position to succeed. That's how you gain respect if you Not have it with number of years in the NFL and also from a scheme standpoint. It is different in the NFL everyone talks about NFL schemes. And now there are some college schemes like the rpos and the Zone reads that are carrying over to the NFL game. But largely it's still there's a lot of pro cell offenses and there's a lot different schemes on defense that just you don't see in the college game. Who's the right code for that kid? Everybody thinks McDaniels are McCarthy McCarthy is a very intriguing component because he's been there done that has had success would have the instant credibility. He with that locker room. I'd assume because he's worked with Montana Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers. Is that somebody you see emerging as a candidate or who else? Yeah, certainly. I think McCarthy's going to be a finalist. He's won a Super Bowl. So he's got that experience. He's a proven leader. He's sort of a tough guy, which is I think what they're looking for with this roster of young talented players that kind of need some professionalism some guidance some discipline. I think the concern is going to be the the my the two things I would say are the McCarthy Concerns is his last couple years in Green Bay. There was a perception that he got a little bit comfortable after being there a long time. But then also there was a concern that his offense maybe got a little bit stale towards the end and he was relying on maybe older Concepts, but it seems like with this year that he's been away from football. He's kind of gone back and maybe he's Revisited as often as and been able to incorporate some of the new Styles and New Concepts that you're seeing in the program now and as far as McDaniels goes, I think his Is he's probably one of the smartest offensive Minds in today's games working. Tom Brady was Bill Belichick a long time. He also has head coaching experience the big- that I would say when you're talking about McDaniels in the question mark with him is he really has only worked one year of his life for anybody besides Bill Belichick except for he worked one year, I think as an intern for Michigan State with Nick Saban why when you get out of college, but other than that, it's all been under Bill Belichick and what we've seen primarily from Bill Belichick. Disciples has been failure. But all the guys that have left have tried to become Bill Belichick and there's something that you miss you just try to become somebody else. So the question form again is is can he be his own guy if he gets another chance as a head coach a couple quick things here before our heart out here. We appreciate Joe Thomas coming on one of the best football players to ever exist. You were there when Mangini came into Cleveland I heard that was an utter abysmal failure. Is that accurate? Well, I wouldn't say that exactly I would say that he made Everybody's life from the people that work behind the kitchen counter to the sky. helps to the goal and we always said that he thought of every way to make your life horrible weather be replacing the nice comfortable cottony Cottonelle toilet paper with the rough stuff that you find in any generic public bathroom to just the way that he wouldn't let anybody at practice except for the players and I think he'd go out like this divide between the players and the rest of the people in the building, but I will say I learned a lot Not from there. I thought he was annexed smart tough coach that now that I've had some time away and I'm sure you've all had people like that whether it be coaches or teachers that at the time you didn't like that tough coaching that discipline that they instilled but you feel like now that you have a chance to reflect your better because of it hate me now love me later. I felt like that with Rich Rodriguez. Actually, he's a lunatic of a man, but I needed him in my life whenever it was there. He went too far on numerous occasions. I think that's what he was saying, but that's one of those guys I look back where I'm like, I'm For that I would I have that in my back pocket if things do get hard on like I could survive that now last question here before we let you go Tomahawk show need to download a great podcast good conversation. Watch on NFL Network. Good brain who's going to win a Super Bowl and how much should I bet on it? Yeah, that's a great question. I think right now you got a good option to bet Patriots. Everybody's down on them right now. They're kind of sliding into the playoffs. I think back to the Giants River when the Giants played the Patriots the last game of the season when the Patriots were undefeated Patriots won that game, but the Giants got that confidence from plan right up to the Buzzard plane in that wild-card game and they got hot. Nobody has more experience in the playoffs in the Patriots. their backs are against the wall nobody's believing him and it seems like that's when Brady always plays the best and I think you're going to have good odds if you take him right now to win the Super Bowl I think it's plus twelve hundred right now if you bit the Patriots so I mean odds are fantastic Joe Thomas odds are you're not only going to be a first-ballot hall-of-famer football player but also in this media world we appreciate the hell out of you ladies and gentlemen Wisconsin Badger Cleveland Brown Joe Thomas thank you Joe hey appreciate guys thanks for having me on have a good one he's got good brain that talk about Tom Brady that's why I like in the first hour you heard me like backing off of betting on the Titans it's like I don't know of mad because it's so hard to go against everything inside you that says this is the Patriots this is still Tom Brady this is no Bill Belichick in this is still the playoffs but Mike Vrabel willing to do anything whatever it takes to win that's an intriguing game this week yeah there's that side of then there's a side like that your eyes see all year long like this offense it stinks it's not News came out yesterday the to ah Tong of Allah. That's right. Yeah right there to atone. Villa will make his announcement on whether he's going back to Alabama or going to the NFL on January 6th. Just a year ago. People were saying that the Alabama football team could beat an NFL team because of how good to a was as a quarterback. People are saying that now those people obviously we all know No now January 2nd 2020 are buffoons the things that a college football team to beat an NFL team, but that's what to a did to the football sporting world. He captivated everybody in the football World this little Lefty from the island comes over to Alabama in his freshman season comes in at halftime plays hero wins a national championship goes on to be a disgustingly talented quarterback and then this year yet again the same conversation. Miami Dolphins are making moves in the offseason. They was said that the team was tanking strictly for this guy. That's how good of a quarterback he was now here. We sit January 2nd 2020 after Alabama beats, Michigan just yesterday in a bowl game. That wasn't the college football playoff in the conversation is is to a going to leave for the NFL when an organization at the beginning of the season was tanking for him or is he going to go back to college now to has had four surgeries and two years. Is that alarming? Oh yes to us seems to be a bit undersized. Does that alarming yes to also seems to be one of the most accurate pastors that maybe college football has ever seen to also seems to be a guy that wants to take care of his family big family man. They say his brother now is a quarterback at Alabama. I think if I'm too I'm going to the NFL faster than you could say the letters NFL. Yes, you've had four surgeries in two years what happens if you go back to Alabama and you have another surgery, you know, what happens in an NFL is GM's eyes that's already happening. It's like wait can this guy be a franchise quarterback? Will he be able to survive in NFL season that's longer with bigger players more athletic players in systems that could potentially set you up to get hit just a little bit more than you are at Alabama behind the best offensive line. And all the weapons if you have a chance to still be a first-round draft pick which by all accounts everybody's saying to is still a first-round draft pick for surgeries two years. He's still a first rounder if you have a chance to be a first rounder and any sport and you can do that you go ahead and do that. Let me tell you why the NFL might not be around for to a year from now the NFL might not be around for two of five years from now, but you know, what will always be around a degree from a university. Versity at all times. So anytime you hear a player think like I'm gonna come back and get that degree. I'm like do that 10 years from now go ahead and get that money right now because if tool gets hurt again next year like you did these past couple years. I don't know if he's still a first rounder strictly because not because of his ability, but because of his availability that is a real thing in the NFL if to is still first runner, he has to go and I hope that's what he says on January 6th right after his injury the conversation on why he could go or not go was because He may follow to the second or third round. But Ivory mock draft you look at right now has some still going top five top ten those mock drafts, by the way. I don't think her actual GM's be no. No, I know that. I don't know if I'm a GM. I'm not drafting him in the first round. He's not going to be if you're a first round draft pick is a quarterback your franchise player. You are the franchise player at some point whether it's this year or years down the road the way this Miami situation is shaping up though seems like a perfect situation. You still got Ryan fits magic Fitzpatrick who can go into fuck. S burrow in week 17 in a must-win game for the Patriots and get a dolphin's team. That only has four wins on the ear. Aw let to a sit behind him get healthy learn from him. I think that is a perfect set up a perfect transition for to and I think that I don't know if it's going to get any better than that if he comes back and gets hurt. I just don't see how you could draft him to be your friend. Chai's guy. He's undersized. He's always hurt. There's a lot of question marks there right now. They're still like the I was a Hip injury was like that's going to happen. His ankles had been fixed like those are things but right now and I just I think he has to go. I honestly think he has to go and I am not a part of the tongue of a low family tongue of Aloha. What is it? Is that it he gets tagged of all of my lower tag of talk of a lot talk of Aloha. I dropped a shocker. I'm getting married in Hawaii love the island big fan. If I'm a part of that family though. I'm pushing him out of Alabama as fast as I can anything go Try to get as much money as we can right now and take your time getting healthy with hopefully I mean granted I assume the Alabama medical staff is better than most NFL teams, but it's one of those things where kid got to get healthy and hopefully does it say what more does he have to prove actual? Yeah and what a national chain like maybe if he if he wants to go back and try to win a Heisman but like that that's not going to do anything else for his draft stock. I think people pretty much know what he is right now in the question is whether or not he can stay healthy. He's doing this all with his non-dominant arm doesn't get talked about Now what if he sits out next year for them to rehab and they put the ball back in his right on there? Like let's get you back later dominar. He's a both armed quarterback David actress ambidextrous quarterback in the NFL. That would be hilarious. That's how bleep also this year his competition as far as getting drafted as jobber. Oh, that's it next year. It's Trevor Lawrence. Justin Fields. There's always another quarterback the pops up. There's a young guy from USC who's apparently supposed to go very high. He has to go and let's assume Alabama has another five star quarterback - brother. Where is he a family man loved his brother gets a shot. Let's go to Gino and Pittsburgh Juno. What's up, Bob? A challenge a maxi for taking that decade long vacation. Anthony's attitude all the time. He wants to get a pinky ring that guy while and now I can't take it. Fight them with a pinky ring on the show. I watch another fornicatin episode. That's how you that right now. I think you're wrong. They are better than what we go skiing week. If we go 18 week send the Chargers over to Great Britain or whatever overseas. How do you feel about having back-to-back by week? So they can have that week come home get adjusted to the American lifestyle again, and then finish off the season. That's what it is. It's not the time. It's the American lifestyle that they're not used to have to coming back. That's not too pinky. Ring was not warranted. By the way. I mean a pinky ring if I could wear one if my skin tone was just one One Tone darker. If I had the southern Italy olive skin instead of my .01% Northern Italian Irish German skin. I would rock a pinky ring faster than you could say pinky. Where was that dude from that? Work I understand what happened then what happened? I mean, he's probably he's probably polish or something like that and his family just loves Italians like so that's so they named him Gino but he has no idea what to do as a fake Italian. All right. So for those that are just listening to show the guy it's leaking right there. His name is Anthony de gallo. He's from Pittsburgh as is Franklin. Morale dough we grew up in a town that is 97% Italians and on it watch your mouth. I just found out I was born old. 1% Italian to the 23andMe a year ago. I'd go on an apology tour for all the things that I've said about the Italians great people great food beautiful culture. Just some of the most despicable acts in the history of mankind. I think I'm from a science. They realize this is a pro pinky ring show. I am a bit. Yeah. I'm a pinky ring Pro. Yeah, I've out of all the things you could bash Italian sports not too pink, you know, you should go for it gets middle finger rings, correct? Yes, and let's go back to the NFL. No, I don't think it's going to be It is going to be 18 weeks. I think it's going to be 17. No, I think it should be 19 weeks actually don't think it's going to be 18 weeks. I think it's going to be 17 games two. Bye weeks. I think every team is going to have a neutral site game. Do I think that should be overseas in Europe? I agree. That could be a spot. Canada should be a spot Mexico should be a spot. I think they should even get in Australia because there's a lot of Australians playing in games. I think there should definitely be a bye week after that game. I believe the NFL is going to go to a 17 game schedule to buy we X1 neutral site / and I think that is coming next year per the new CBA and I'm excited for it to be honest because now the football is kind of wrapping up I am getting very nervous about what the hell we're going to talk about. Yeah, and what the hell we're going to do without the NFL. I'm already kind of getting like the Sunday scary's when it comes to know NFL next year. There should be an extra couple weeks, which is exciting. Yeah. So let me just make sense. No team can be over there though. No team is going to be able to be over there. Now does the NFL probably want that? I'd assume that they do because having a team in Another country obviously opens up the fan base and opens up eyes that one-off events can't obviously open up the eyes of but if we're going to have an international team, we've said this already give it to Canada. I think Canada deserves it I think after watching what the Toronto Raptors were able to do whenever they won the NBA championship in the entire country became they became the Canadian Raptors. I mean, that's awesome. If we get that the NFL I think they deserve a team before Europe does just because not that the love hasn't been there in Europe because they fill out their stay idioms Wembley was awesome. I got a chance to go over there. I got a chance to be a part of the what's that thing where you stand on stage and pep rally in middle of London. They reported like 900,000 people are there. I'm not a hundred possessions that is accurate. But there's a lot of Support over there. I just think logistically having a team over there is going to be very very difficult and until they can figure out time travel or jet packs like Elon Musk. I don't think it's going to be possible to have a team-based there, but I don't mind more games going over there because I think it's good for the business know based on the Sure that you see when they go to Mexico and just the fans, you know that Canada has for the NFL if a team in London got it before those two places. I think that would be wrong. I can be rude heavy rain we have L is never rude. No, no now look at Jerry Jones, you won't even let go of a coach right now because he's part of the family. Yep. The NFL is the last thing rude it would never be rude. I mean can't it doesn't have anything else like London has you kidding me? Why you taking shots at him? Yeah. We're pretty large up in Canada. Yeah, they know. But they know that they don't have much else. Yeah, the NBA and the NHL their the national the reigning NBA champion it won t matter what the NHL they got that Ottawa team. Then I am yeah cow Gary. Tell Gary. Thank you Minato by things as a team Winnipeg Detroit hockey pound Hartford. We should trade the truth though to Canada. All right, maybe they get the Lions maybe to get the light Lulu. That's good. Yeah, I don't hate that. Actually. Wow. Wow. Ox guys, they're never going to win a Super Bowl in Detroit your change some things I can still be Alliance van. Oh, so you think it's Detroit United States? That is the problem. You know, you don't think Detroit Canada you think that would be the answer. I mean, there's a lot of problems but I haven't Canada behind Detroit would be awesome. It would be cool to have can the behind Detroit Canada is a great place. By the way with good people ready to roll that Toronto City. I love that place was not so clean two times in the last month or two months or so beautiful beautiful beautiful Whopper. Give him a team the Canadian American footballers, that'd be good. But in Toronto where they have the BC Lions will just have the BC lines of the NFL. The British Columbia lines. Is that a Canadian football league to do they have a soccer league up there something they still pay taxes to the queen, right? Yeah. Yeah. I still pay taxes to Queen. So the queen will be invested in the NFL which would be good. So basic. So facto Canada gets a team England gets a team right two birds one stone. Look at that. We just took care of Europe and Canada. You're welcome. You are welcome, January 2nd 2020. That is the date that nobody would have expected. In Garrett to still be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys joining us now beat writer from the athletic for the Dallas Cowboys. Mr. John Machado. Mr. John michell showed up. How's it going guys? Excellent. How are you boss man, appreciate the time. Let's get to it here because we got about six minutes left the conversation about Jason. Garrett has been one that's been relatively negative from everywhere. I don't know how it is in Dallas, but outside of Dallas and Jerry Jones said at the Salvation Army event on good morning football that the the what he is expecting from Jason. There's this thing that is very difficult this task that is impossible to win the Super Bowl and that's what his expectations are. Jason. Garrett has been nowhere near that for his entire career here. We are January 2nd. He still head coach. What is going on down there between Jerry and Jason Garrett, you know, the biggest thing is that it's not like it's just another head coach to Jerry Jones. He just he's been around Jason Jason Garrett's father was a scout in the organization for a long time. He's known Jason from the time. He was a player and then obviously, An assistant and now for these men and half years as head coach and he really does look at them as like almost another son. I mean, they're extremely close and I think he's having a hard time parting ways with him. But ultimately that's what's going to happen. He there's just no way that he could keep him give him a contract extension after you know, I mean, that's these last nine years. They've missed the playoffs six times and you know, it'd be one thing if his team was just decimated by injuries and you know, there are outside circumstances that factored into this season, but Came down to they had a relatively healthy lineup for almost the entire season DEC 4 SC really didn't deal with injury until the very end of the year their schedule ended up being a lot easier than it was when it was originally thought and and they just they didn't play like the teams that we've even seen from Jason Garrett teams in the past and because of that it just didn't come close to what the goal was supposed to be. The goal was supposed to be not only when the division in the playoffs but it was at least get to the NFC championship game and the fall this far short and just go eight and a for the fourth time. I just there's just no way that can bring him. Back so Jason Garrett a bad son because he's letting down the family business on such a regular basis and refuses to step away. You could look at it that way for sure. I just he's not going to step away and so he's told he has to leave because it's absolutely his dream job. There's nothing he wants to do more than coach the Dallas Cowboys and you know, you mentioned the beginning about how is there any you know any positive about him down a day out? There's not and hasn't been for a long time. This isn't like, you know, especially with the fans. It's like The feeling down here down the stretch of this season. Was it got to the point where fans were like man? I hope they don't just sneak into the playoffs and then spending my keep Jason Garrett. It was like if we have to lose to the Eagles, it says seal the deal and know that we'll get a new head coach. Let's do that. That's fine. And then they're just as there's nobody there's nobody that that is a fan of this team that wants to keep going in this direction and and I'm originally from Detroit. I've always told people down here. I think Jason Garrett is a fine head coach for the Detroit Lions once in a while, you might go to the playoffs. You're never really an embarrassment. But this is a Dallas Cowboys. You have to be able to compete for Super Bowls and I just don't know anybody can iI say that he's gotten them close to that and these nine and a half years Detroit didn't deserve this their coach can definitely be an embarrassment that happens on a very regular basis. Jasonncaryn is not I mean, I guess Jason Garrett is underwhelmed everybody in particular each and every single year. Now, there is a lot of rumors that were floating around there that some of the other coaches were told to seek other Jobs and do things like that and some people are still under contract. Is it going to get messy with half of the department potentially still having contract? And in other people looking for other jobs? If is there any chance Jason Garrett is retained and what happens with all the other coaches. Yeah. I don't see any any way that he's retained and in terms of the other coaches if this was any other organization, I would say that they're all gone and that they're just going to let the new head coach hires entire staff on his own but I mean, this is an organization that you know, they had Jason Garrett and play. Before they had as the OSI before they you know hired we'll wait Phelps is the head coach. So there's a part of me that believes that I can't rule out them trying to keep telling more joy as though see your jacket has as quarterback coach parts of possibly Mark Colombo with the offensive line coach. It depends on you know, what that new head coach wants but I could see there being a few guys that you know, Jerry Jones really liked it. He'd like the new head coach to keep but again, I believe that that's a problem. I don't think that it should be run that way. Your next head coach to be able to hire his entire staff the most success at the Dallas Cowboys have had since Jerry Jones is on the team is when he allowed that to happen with Jimmie Johnson. So you would hope that that that's a Direction they go but because you know, Jerry Jones and his past I can't say that all of them are gone, but I would think at the very least almost all of them are gone. All right. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, John Machado read his words at the athletic for the Dallas Cowboys. That was great the thought that head coaches. Don't get a chance to pick their own accord. Mater's is just hilarious because in a thought that they would keep anybody including Kellen Moore is also layers because Jerry Jones came out and said well they were just out coach today, you know, and that means All Phases there that's all sides of the ball. I think he said that on numerous occasions. I don't know how anybody sticks around I have no idea how anybody stays and if you're delaying The Break-Up who you making it worse for yourself for the other person well, and if you're trying to get a guy like Lincoln Riley don't you want an entire new culture coming in there? You don't want like bits and pieces from the previous regime sticking around like that. Gets messy. Well the classic like well how we used to do it? Right? That's like Hugh Jackson whenever whenever Haley when Todd Haley came in was like well the way we do it around here. Yeah, we are 1 and 31 or by the way Hugh Jackson was on the show completely different opinion of him. He's slinging tequila. He's getting back in the NFL but he did not look good on Hard Knocks, but that is weird whenever you have like the potential for the way we used to do. It was like, well, nobody cares Chris that is now out. The door it's my way now grandpa. Someone said on the get up this morning. And I there Jerry could take his time because he knows Lincoln Riley if that's his number one Prospect is not going to go to any of the other teams if he's gonna go to the NFL it's going to be the Dallas Cowboys. So Urban Meyer potential to a bronze. Ron Rivera was hired to the Redskins with Jack Del Rio who the Carolina Panthers going to get pissed if Urban goes around so you consider that a bad look for the Cowboys now Charlie Brown told the couple's I think him and Ohio is where Urban Meyer. Post to be just strictly off of my mentions after I thought about it. Oh, yeah, it's time to tell you. about this time of year being the number one time to get engaged the number one time to say, you know, what you I love you. I couldn't fathom a day in my life without you. We should get engaged that time of year to do that is right now, we're right in the middle of it. So if you're in love and ready to get engaged go see our friend Steven Singer the I hate Steven Singer guy. 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Action transform the NBA the multi-billion dollar Corporation. However, his tenure was marred by countless controversies such as the mouse in the palace three different lockouts Tim Donaghy and the Donald Sterling scandals. See I think you should have done those come on in Reverse. I think you should then the bad stuff early then the good stuff at the end so we could properly like say like, you know, what good stuff. Let's do a moment silence, but now we have to talk around the stuff that you buried him for know you take the good with the bad the bad comes last. Well, I think he did a lot more good than bad for the MBA and I think I didn't know much about David Stern grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which is a hockey town. We didn't watch much MBA but now as you're listening to these stories unfold about David Stern sounds like he was a very ruthless businessman. That was also very funny and lovable in the sport of basketball is very thankful for him. Let's have a moment of silence for David Stern. Todd's talking to somebody on the phone. I mean Todd but recipes David Stern honestly truly very thankful for what he did for the NBA Eminem be a guy big fan of that now recipes to him, but boy, I mean the way you delivered that knits I was wild and was why I married him. Yeah, he did. I mean, I didn't write that. I was copy and paste headline. Well, maybe you should have looked at that way. You know, it's very accurate. I mean, we understand nobody's saying it was inaccurate what we're saying. Though is the way you delivered. It was just I'm not here to inject bias into this. You didn't know I'm delivering this new straightforward structure now, but there is bias in it, by the way that you deliver and that's that's what people don't understand. That's kind of the news. You're kind of a part of the problem. Actually now that I think about it, you are part of the problem. I think you need to know some good things he's done but also some bad things while we understand that we're just talking about. Hey, you did it. I didn't he didn't he didn't he didn't go to the stands and fight the crowd now, what do you want him to do? Smile smile, but the way you spun that is just classic 2020 now news bad people die all the time. Oh so good. People die. All the time that's is not play here with David Stern. There's a lot more people saying David turns a good person that does play there for our English teacher at her High School where they wanted me to write something nice about her and I responded with that quote right there. Ha ha ha speaking another guy who died Yankees pitcher Don Larson passed away at 90 years old and he's the only pitcher to throw a perfect game in the Series in 1956 congrats to him rest in peace to him his own column 3 that really does seem like it's a 3 so yeah, it's real. 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It's about 36 minutes of me playing baseball for the first time in my entire life didn't play as a child never stepped into a batter's box and still until I had to square away against guys that throw 90 Two miles an hour and now YouTube commenters are pretty much believing that he plays for Chicago White Sox. Does he play for the Chicago White Sox in the world may never know. YouTube commenters are saying it though ya can't blame him for that. What's that see to get some saying? Oh, we have another tough. Nick forgot about Jack Sheldon. He was the singer of Schoolhouse Rock. He passed away today school of house truck. Yes, Schoolhouse Rock. There's what's that the bill how a bill becomes. Okay. First of all wasn't done yet. It's eat. So well you said last person to die today and that was like I didn't say that and said that he did whatever it is. Maybe we wait a minute. Maybe we keep death out of them like Rusty part of my childhood recipes to that guy. I'm very sorry that he passed away as I am for the guy that threw the perfect game in the World Series and David Stern. I mean, these are all wonderful humans who've done a lot for our society. Rest in peace to them notable news is supposed to be things. We that we didn't cover for this show. I don't know if If all these deaths are what our show is about. Well, I wasn't gonna put that guy in there, but just the fact that Zito tried to take over the segment was starving there anything else we miss Pope Francis had to smack a woman's hand to free himself yesterday from the from her clutches and vatican's great video. I saw that by the way now I've heard that you're supposed and now I saw the video and I left very very hard. Sam was telling me my fiance that there used to be a ring that you kiss on the pump. Yeah, but this Pope is not down with the with the kids. Yeah, he's not down with the Kiss the Ring thing. So was that lady attempting to kiss his ring and he gave her a couple kick. Not you lady. You don't give her the lady who got slapped or it slides in hand. Let's okay. She was well ya see the pope didn't smack across there was but she was getting pumped like she was doing her all the Hail Marys and stuff like that for like six minutes before he right before he got to her. He decided he touched his last hand and And she did not enjoy that - you really want me to try to rip his arm off. Oh my in the security. He's got seven security guards are just watching the pope handle his own business like trying to grab a stray dog or something when he's not looking. Yeah it is. It was like you trying to chase down Walt with his with his collar off or whatever. Yeah. I don't think that's exactly what he's ripped over there not happy. I mean the publishes he's fed up with it. Listen to Pope's tired of you praying to him. Okay, the Pope's tired of you trying to touch him, especially when he's going to the other aisle to give high fives over there. I respect it. What do you do? If you are you supposed to touch the pope like with the queen you're not supposed to touch her. She supposed to touch you he was touching. Yeah, you can't be grabbing the pope though. You let him come to you. You can't be snagging them. Are you a Catholic? Oh, yeah. You are a Catholic. Yes, sir. Okay. So the pope is the guy in the Catholic Christian King Top Dog Top Dog the popemobile the whole thing. Yeah. All right. Would you want to touch him if you saw him? Yeah. Oh, yeah for sure. I wanna grow and try to put them in a Kimura and take his arm home with if he's a double recipe right here. I'm sorry anything else? Last thing here mysterious drones have been flying over Colorado and Nebraska in recent weeks and authorities can't figure out why or who's behind it that there was also a rocket on the shore of Florida New Year's Eve now. That is an unidentified rocket. You see that thing? Okay after the aliens 2020s the year. They're here like a NASA rocket or a missile rocket. I just saw the headline in the picture. It looked like it was like a it holds people in it. Yeah. Okay look like does he land claim that yet. Now he has in there was no scheduled anything. So that's the issue now granted. I do not read. That's the headline so I could be completely wrong here. But it sounds like Elon Musk is no longer the only alien on planet Earth in 2020 and for that I'm very excited. I thought I was just um, possibly a jetpack you thought it was a little thicker with fire underneath it. I don't know if we have the we have the put it up on the thing for the people watching. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it had a double exhaust fire flames and it looks like it's potentially a jetpack, but it's been on identified in nobody knows what it is Ben. That's experimental. You think I enjoy experimenting we in technology gonna remember there's white trash aliens out there to who might be just skipping around in the universe and they just landed here trying to get back home. Let's we always assume that these aliens are much smarter and much more everything than us. But let's assume that somewhere out there. There's people that are dumber than us that are just be-bopping around the universe and could have potentially floated in through one of the holes that Elon Musk punctures in our Whatchamacallit ozone layer atmosphere and got in there. I'm excited for the fact that we're going to meet Aliens do if you're President Trump, by the way for Donald Trump. But like a week before election day, you just kind of unravel it all release the tapes. Oh, you're teasing teasing you tease you tease it why I can't believe a president hasn't done that and then I would sign up to vote immediately. That's what I'm saying. Like I can't that's a that's an ace in the in the back pocket at all times like Oh, Hey, listen, you vote me back in Alien is 51. Yeah. So the people that want to run like the lunatics don't have to actually do it themselves. I don't know about hammering the Titans. No, honestly. No way. There's no way I don't think your Hammer but it's pretty cool. Don't do it. I think Frank was the guy by the way, if anybody was to do I think variables the guy that video that hit the internet of him as a head coach in the National Football League interacting with a player as if he's still playing in the league probably better than the guy that he's talking to. I don't even know who you are. Then asked Sly manner to somebody else who the fornicate is that do you want I love rabal he was on busting with the Always do we have that clip from Boston with the boys he was on busting with the boys this past offseason, which is a podcast at Taylor the one in Will Compton host out of the back of the Dale Earnhardt jr. Bus which is an interesting one. He was on there and he said this would you cut your dick off for a Super Bowl how been married 20 years? Yeah, probably three. That's how much might Vrabel wants to win another Super Bowl. I can't help but respect the The hell out of that the fact that he's obviously been there done that with the Patriots is a massive part of their story and their success makes it a very intriguing thought to hammer the Titans plus 5 and a half but a man it is just it you it's hard to do whenever your body has been taught for the last two decades that this team just does things that you can't fathom them doing it's hard to bet against them and I told myself just weeks ago never bet against the Patriots again. Yeah, I just I mean five and a half if they're going to win. I feel like they're going to win back your stuff down six the Hammers coming out if that thing gets a touchdown. Oh, yeah, you're hammering it I can respect that but boy, don't do it. Don't be a fool. I don't think it's smart. There's so many other games about his three other games right? A lot of ballgames had to cease NBA there's tennis happening. In other parts of the world. I think Cricket is happening. There's a lot of things that you can bet on hockey. I just think there's I mean there's also a lot of a lot of pockets fast Titans on that or sorry a lot of past Patriots on that tightens team. I don't think they're afraid to go into Foxborough. I can respect that. Actually I can respect that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you know what's going down right now salmon about to knock some boots ha ha ha. Yeah. Ain't I right? We go have sex for a long time tonight too. Long time. How long Long time that's right, babe. Because tonight I'm using my Roman swipes and you should use Roman swipes as well. Listen Roman, not you so actually you won't even know that I have it on because I apply it to my penis and then it dries so quickly and it doesn't go to you so you don't even know that. I have a superhero working with me to make sure our fornication period is a long good time for all parties involved. Roman ships the swipes Indiscreet packaging that is small enough to fit in your wallet. 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I thought about this last night while I was watching a couple of the bowl games that were supposed to matter like the Rose Bowl. but that some I mean after the college football playoff, it's like the Rose Bowl should everybody knows that the college football playoff should be eight teams in these other games like the Rose Bowl and other thing should be in the college football playoff because when the Rose Bowl isn't in the college football playoff, I understand that the Rose Bowl is the granddaddy of them all and this massive game and everybody is a child dreamt of being in the game, but it's like I wish they would have made that one of the playoff game so that it was, you know a little bit more spectacular Anderson's Big 10 PAC 12, but whenever they make the college football playoff eight teams five Big Five, French Champions three at-large bids. I hope they end up doing that and I understand it could be tough. But Pasadena is a beautiful place but last night watching that game. Oh my congrats organ. That's awesome with the Roses. But I mean, I felt like I was more much more excited for another bowl game that just happened a bit ago my rod today. I thought they liked the Rose Bowl the Orange Bowl Sugar Bowl stuff like that. They now rotate them. Yeah, if he hasn't there, it has been all the BCS games all the games that used to be BCS games now bounce around for the of all the New Year's Day games though yesterday. That was the one that I was that still felt a little Little bit like I think cause it was just the Rose Bowl still. Yeah, but has a one-point game too. Yeah. It was a good game. There was a lot of hype around it was well called by her be and father. I mean it's a lot of things Rose Bowl is very important. But for me, it's like correct. Yeah, it just lets go. Let's make that a playoff game. They get better. They need to do that going forward once I become a voice or if I become a voice for college football. I'll be hammering that thing pretty hard every you should we need eight teams. Let's go all the Champs three at-large has let's move forward. We don't have the ucf's of the old that Do very well let's give them a shot. Even if they get buzzed side that happened in Oklahoma. I mean this is going to happen. Let's give everybody an opportunity to potentially play to Camp. Well, there it is. The first Friday of the new decade of the new year is over. Now. You can Propel yourself into the greatest weekend of the Year. See, that's real. Midweek New Year had to go back to work there. You kind of get hit with a 1/2 piece right to the face without expecting it you had a big celebration and he had to go work now. It's time to enjoy the hell out of wild card week and now it's time to enjoy a couple days of you smell that freedom. Enjoy this weekend. Enjoy your life. It's still that phase of the New Year where you're trying to figure out what you're leaving behind what you're taking with you leave behind the bullshit's take forward the positivity in with the Positive out with the fucking assholes breathe in with the positivity out with the assholes. Okay. It's 2020. Let's have a good time. We appreciate you listening so so much for myself and Money from PMI and also in this Lisa mattress right now Samantha. I appreciate you so much for listening and I can't wait to talk to you next week have the best weekend of your life tie Schmidt. Please play some independent music.

On today’s show, Pat and the boys look ahead to this weekend’s Wild Card games and chat about how tough it will be to actually bet against the Patriots despite the Titans looking like a team that could give them some trouble, and revisit the Rose Bowl game and why it has lost some of it’s luster being after the CFB Playoff games. The guys also talk Oregon QB Justin Herbert and whether or not he is going to be a successful Quarterback in the NFL, discuss Tua Tagovailoa’s upcoming decision on whether he will stay in college or make the jump for the NFL and if he has anything left to prove in college or if declaring for the draft would be the wise move. Also joining the show is 10x Pro Bowler, 9x All-Pro, future Hall of Famer, cohost of the ThomaHawk Show podcast and friend of the show, former Cleveland Browns Tackle, Joe Thomas. Joe and Pat discuss the Browns coaching search and what he thinks about the report that Urban Meyer is who Cleveland is eyeing to be the next coach of the Browns, what the issues with the Browns are and if hiring a new coach will solve some of those, what it takes to be a successful coach in the NFL, he throws a surprise name into the coaching search, and gives out his Super Bowl pick (22:49-33:53). Also joining the show is Cowboys beat writer for The Athletic, Jon Machota. He dives into all the Jason Garrett drama in Dallas and why it has been so difficult for Jerry to part ways with Jason Garrett, who he thinks the next coach could potentially be, and whether or not most of the staff will be let go or retained (46:19-51:31). Pat also dives into what he thinks will happen next NFL season in terms of the CBA which involves a 19 week season with 2 byes, and gives a pretty easy solution for dealing with potentially adding international teams. The guys also go through some notable news with Nick to see what’s making waves around the world. It’s the first weekend of the new decade, come and laugh with us. Cheers.

Welcome back to the inspiration space. I'm actually recording this in a slightly different setting what I normally do. I'm calling it on a little river going down in bath just doing a little bit of punting but I thought I would kill two birds with one stone because his bank holiday weekend. And the sun is shining and it's just pretty amazing sitting had this in my bag got might as well do it now. So I hope you're having a fantastic bank holiday. Just wanted to do today's guest which was one of the best episodes. I personally think I've ever done with Vanessa molten. Dr. Vanessa molten. She is an amazing amazing lady. She has done some fantastic work in the psychological Health space. I'm not going to ruin any of the episode now which talks a lot about the Uum of psychological well-being that'll make a lot more sense. Once you listen to the whole episode is a little bit longer than what I normally do but it's definitely definitely worth a listen. So please get stuck in. She's fantastic fantastic lady. I really really enjoyed this one and yeah get stuck into it. Hope you can really get some take some things from it. Get some get some insight into what's going on in the mental health space at the moment, and yes, enjoy have a fantastic bank holiday, and I will see you soon. Thank you so so much for coming down. I know you're such a busy person and sure your loads of stuff going on but I it's funny. I have a lot of people in the show and when I was doing my research on you and all the different compartments, there is so much to speak about which is great, which is really excites me and I've got a kind of, you know rocks a couple of topics. I really want to touch on but before we really get stuck in I think it'd be best just to maybe introduce several little bit get a bit of context on you your field of work and really how you got into. Yeah, so I'm a psychologist which is a confuses people right from the start because actually the world of psychology is quite confusing I think for most people so I'm psychologist so I might I suppose my bread-and-butter very much is therapy sure. But at the moment I kind of spread my my time in my expertise amongst a whole load of different things from coaching therapy workshops kind of business Consulting. And I suppose it never really I hadn't I probably never planned for it to evolve in this way, which is exciting and it's great because I love the variation of the stuff that I do. So originally I did it. I did a psychology degree many moons ago. And I don't know I think I had a perception at the end of my psychology degree that it to be a psychologist you had to be in I don't know in a white coat in a research lab. When I just thought it's not really my gig really so I didn't do anything psychology related. Well you could I convince myself I did. Yeah, I went into marketing. So I said my I was using my knowledge of understanding people but I sense it does make sense kind of So I entered into the marketing world and probably quite a nice time actually. Well, it was just right at the end where you still had to send creative through the post on boards. So it was the good old days of the good old days which then turned into you know a lot. Well, it was always very hard work very hard paste and I did love it and it was it was it was a great grounding and fantastic to do German 20s, but I always had this I don't know niggling this thing. This urged I needed to do something more or just something different. And kind of fuel the appetite that I had in relation to kind of mind and body and I when I first applied University I first applied to do physiotherapy. So when I was I was working Martin ages in then I decided oh, I'll do a massage course. So I did an evening massage course again, it was just I look back now and I could see myself just trying to find something that would kind of fulfill that desire that I needed. to fulfill in relation to my work and I did that course and obviously done nothing with that and then hit my 30s and I thought you know what I really want to do something with my psychology thought it might be quite simple and I would do another evening course in something and I found out that it involves quite a lot of work, but because I'd had my Adam my psychology degree that meant I could do a doctorate in Psychology and I could become a psychologist and I could become a doctor which at the time I was like, wow, that sounds I might if I'm gonna do it I might as well do it and it's a it was just a huge huge undertaking it Still Remains. One of my I suppose one of my proudest things I've achieved and when we talk about grit later, you know that involved a lot of grit which is all about, you know, perceive it perseverance and passion for a long. I'm goal. And that was it was just this long-term goal for me. So it was a three-year uni course with clinical placements throughout I had to be in therapy for the whole of the three years myself. And then you have a very large piece of research sure that you have to do and someone said to me and I wish I could remember because this probably was very much influenced where my kind of specialism to a Certain degree went they said to me make sure the topic that you do your thesis on which ended up being 50,000 words. It's something that you're passionate about because There Will Be Blood Sweat and Tears which there was which is great. Yeah and my brother served in the in the parachute regiment for over 20 years, and we're very close and it wasn't a conscious decision that therefore I would do kind of all specialized. Military mental health, but I thought well, you know what it's a narrow. I'm really passionate about it feels meaningful. It has a sense of purpose about if I do some research on Military and so I approached a military charity called combat stress and I ended up doing my research on Veterans from Iraq and afghan with post-traumatic stress disorder which then turned into me doing clinical placement there which then turned into me. Being at Headley Court, which is the ministry of defense's Rehabilitation Center or was they've just moved actually during the thick of Afghan in their mental health Team and then I went back to combat stress and worked on their first six week post traumatic stress disorder course and then and then I went to help for Heroes and I headed up the psychological well-being services at help for Heroes. We had they have for recovery. Centers across the country incredible places to be involved with this honestly. I mean just mind-boggling stuff you must have yeah and it's it's, you know, it's really important that you keep a good balance on I mean, ironically, you know help for Heroes an amazing charity. They you know, these guys hate being called Heroes. It's despite the name and you know, you never want to Share too much how inspiring you find these people these people because it makes them feel very uncomfortable, but they are I mean it's a it's incredible, you know from not just the ones who were, you know, injured whilst on on tour abroad but also just the amount of work and dedication. It's not it's not work. It's a way of life really and the transition process. S coming out of the forces is huge and can have a real a real impact. So, you know, it's one of one of my one of my still is bugbears because I still work in an environment in that environment for the role Foundation the ministry of Defense when a really exciting project but it's one of the things that has become a bit of a Bang a Drum that I keep backing is that whenever people think about military Folk. And you sandwich it together with the word mental health. Everyone thinks they all suffer with post-traumatic stress disorder. And actually yes, there are a number that do but not a huge amount more than the general population though. There is a certain kind of segment of them that do the younger Lads in the ones who have served but actually it's more the general General and common mental health disorders like anxiety and depression and panic. They're the most prevalent. Things because actually transition period out of something like the forces is huge. So yes, I have to say I been a hell of a journey. It's been a huge journey and early 2000. This sounds like early 2000s that it really started started yet with the Afghanistan initially. Yes. Yeah and then all through you know all through my training mean right from go you have to start doing one-to-one therapy with people. So I've always kept up my one to one of therapy with non-military. I don't call them civilians because that's but that's what the military how they would make sure think should I've always done one-to-one therapy, which has always been really important to me to keep up there very much on the ground work and I work with from teenagers right up until right up and people into their 80s and I love that. I love the variation. I mean, there are so many little bits that I could have drawn on there and jumped in nice. Question fascinating by the way, I really is I mean mental health is a major component of this podcast and something I find really interesting. It's actually something I would love to potentially think about going to see one day myself. But what I want to start with is is a phrase that we're not phrase It's a term that's on your website that I couldn't take my eyes off initially when I was doing my research on you and it's psychological Fitness and you talked a little bit but back then just about mind the fact that you love mind and body and how they're connected. It is such a brilliant term actually psychological Fitness because everyone kind of thinks Fitness is it it's a very something wrong just with your with your body, you know, your physical fitness, but it's now as we all know this men's with the mental health pushes going on psychological Fitness is such a great term to Define what this is and it's something that needs just much just as much work if not more on your psychological Fitness in order to in order to you know, be happy and Filter field and and have a sort of purpose. So I think my first question really here is in what's the in terms of psychological Fitness? How has this become such over the last 20 years in your experience. How has it developed into where it is now. I mean, what's the kind of trends that you've seen over the last 20 years that have become extremely noticeable. That's a probably get one star on. Yeah. Okay, so do that before talking about at what actually psychological very well. Yeah, and then In there ya know and just to kind of highlight from the start psychological Fitness is not necessarily a new phrase. But and it's not necessarily a new approach, but it seems to be an approach that seems much more relevant to their here and now and I'll come back to what that means. So yeah, I mean gosh even from the beginning of my training to have been able to predict that mental health and the focus on and I'm going to and I'm going to this point start calling it psychological well-being. Okay, okay. And that will make a little bit more sense in a minute. You know that how that would kind of escalate over the period of time that I've been involved in. It is been quite incredible, you know, we could chat about stats and stuff and how figures have risen over the last kind of 20 years, you know, one of the things to to recognize I suppose at this point is there still is an unknown as to whether or not people the prevalence of mental health has increased or is it a combination of the fact that we are now a lot more open to talking about it and stigma has reduced. Its there's a still a huge amount of segue but stigma has a reduced there are more service available. There are more services marketing their services. So we don't totally know whether we have just more people coming forward and acknowledging our reporting mental health issues whether we have More people with mental health issues if that car. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, but the point being that kind of doesn't really matter it's relevant. So whatever reason we have more people, I think this is the easiest way to look at it. We have more people who come forward looking for support which is great and the combination of the focus and I suppose the research on the impact that mental health and mental psychological ill-health can have on not just someone's workplace environment, you know, but on their family life in terms of their relationship, it is all encompassing really in relation to someone's kind of holistic self. So, you know the changes I suppose over the last 20 odd years stigma is is a big one that the more that we can change the stigma or change the conversation about psychological well-being. Inge the more chance we've got of people kind of coming forward we know that in relation to women versus men we have when women tend to be report a high a higher level or report more mental health issues the men not dramatically equally when you break it down into things like, you know suicide for example, you know of the amount of suicides 75 percent men so that you can break the Differences depend upon what you're looking at and also the you know, the different kind of demographics that we social demographics has there been a rise in in men coming to you over the last 20 28 it over that because my my psyche I see a psychoanalyst psychotherapist once every six months you see much more regularly. Yeah, and he said that the biggest Trend he seen is the amount of men that he sees now. Yeah, but it's when he started out there. Yeah is go. Yeah. It is fascinating is really encouraging thing to see is It's brilliant. I mean obviously being doing a lot of work in the military that wasn't a majority but in relation to my private practice, yes, absolutely and I think key key groups like men and also which I find quite fascinating the moment and lots of other people find this fascinating quite a lot of people in their later years, you know in their 70s and 80s interest and there's this real perception that by that point surely fast. Yeah, absolutely surely, you know, but and actually know No, we all learn and it demonstrates that throughout our lifespan our psychological Health shifts up and down this Continuum, which is when I'm going to come back to this why I call it psychological well-being as opposed to mental health as a total, you know how things have changed over the last 20 years from from a business perspective that there has been a lot more focus on understanding on how much a business losses due to people being off with mental health. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so businesses are now, you know being hugely encouraged from a government from a government level to take care of people's psychological health. So massive surge in this thing called Mental Health First Aid which is an organization that trains up kind of mental health champions in businesses to kind of make themselves more aware and accessible for people if they want to talk about mental health and and you know businesses also, Been encouraged to or leaders been encouraged to talk about and show personal levels of vulnerability and vulnerability. I don't know if you've ever seen any of brene brown stuff, but it was the thing that took my eye the most on that grit. Yeah the stop you Simeon. Great. Yeah. Yeah, please talk about it. It's yes, it's fast like it's funny because will come to grow in a second. I don't want to muffle things because when I would go a bit of a directional but Great does sound like a kind of very Macho term from the outside. Hmm. So when you kind of come across that and then you start being a little bit what it's about. You don't think kind of vulnerability will come into it but it's such a massive facet of it as a term. Really, isn't it? Yeah. No, absolutely and there's two real key psychologists in the state. So, you know, Angela Duckworth is your grip woman and brene brown is your vulnerability women and you know, I know I sent I sent you a cross some stuff which was just like a mind dump on on things really but you know, I think that you know, a lot has been said about grit recently that you know, the younger generation and not necessarily as gritty and what we mean by that I having the kind of the level of perseverance to keep sticking at things and dig in deep and because there's just so many choices so much choice these days and there's so many different opportunities. It's very easy to just kind of drop something move on to the thing but yeah, so in relation to grit and vulnerability, you know, great is about keeping going and persevering and finding things that you're passionate about to keep you driven to keep going in something and so actually the same time the notion of being vulnerable almost feels like a conflict of a contradiction, but actually they're they're so important to be combined together, you know, if you have the ability to Be vulnerable and then we vulnerability is with being vulnerable with others, you know being able to show sides of yourself that perhaps for you feel might be judged as a weakness, you know, when you are able to share that side of you the the changing kind of connections that you have with people and people are you allow people to support you in that, you know, and then we go back to grit, you know to be gritty you need to surround yourself by people as well that keep you going. So, you know, there's that it's all is so intertwined so difficult in in Psychology to break stuff off, you know, and that's why you know, that's why you'll find this conversation will probably keep going off and other things because it just actually represents what happens with the mind, you know, and the different approaches and I was like, that's the other thing which has been great in terms of changes over the last 20 years is that there has been a real growth and development and acceptance. It's of different approaches. You know, I am very much a one size doesn't fit all you know, there are lots of different therapeutic interventions. I'm I am very much someone who likes to use the interventions that that her are evidence-based have got the research behind them. But you know, we're not just restricted now to you know, the psychoanalytic approach, you know, the CBT Model cycle cognitive behavioral therapy is See the most kind of widely used. It's got the most amount of research behind it. Equally I know that's not going to be right for every 1 foot for everybody. You know, I use and I use a lot of compassion focused therapy, which is huge and it's hugely important, especially working with people who you know struggle with anxiety and stress, which is one of those common issues, you know, if we can learn to be more self accepting self-compassionate So we literally calm our threat and fight or flight system down and that's the biological that's that's biology. It's not fluff. Yeah. I'm so excited. It's science, you know, we have a threat system which is you know is activated it is online when we feel stressed and anxious and we also have a soothing system and if we ignore that soothing system, we don't bring that online. We are throwing fuel over the threat system and its basic stuff like that. That's which is once you explain that to someone and help them make sense of it and let's move forward. Yeah, you've got to make people aware of what's going on. And so that's another big part of my Approach. I suppose is a hugely believe that there's no point. We just telling someone to do breathing exercises because it will help. I know it will help. Yeah. I know if you do two minutes where you're breathing out for longer than you are breathing it and you will feel less stressed, but I want to tell you why. Yeah, so there's more chance. It's that you'll use that yeah 100% I mean those those things that you've seen in the last 20 years are fascinating and it's the way it's moving is Extreme overall extremely positive. I think something that you also touched on there is it was sort of a one size fits all which is something I really want to move on to now and it's it's something that but not one size doesn't feel sorry. I should say it's what you do in college what I understand from your website as well. He knows the flexibility of thought and action. Which from I mean, I've done limited research in this field in all honesty. But what I have read in the past, there's a book that kind of made me stood out to me when when I when I read that term and it's the growth versus fixed mindset, but have you read that mindset by Carol dweck? Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a book that really did kind of change my mindset in a massive way and made everything a lot more made may not everything. People were categorized very quickly for me after reading especially the first chapter of that book and I assume that you must have to deal with a lot of fixed minded individuals at first whether it be just on a one-on-one basis will organizational basis. Could you just quickly describe for our listeners? If they don't know any kind of the difference between somebody's bit more fixed mindset and and someone is a bit more growth mindset the differences and and maybe how you kind of approach somebody with a fixed mindset. You know in your therapy sessions, I think that that's not quite interesting just in terms of how people could almost deal with a fixed mindset person themselves on a day-to-day basis because we all come across them. Yeah, like toddlers. For example. Yeah. I cannot tell you how I'm applying this to join toddler at the moment, which is how you get them to reframe stuff or you've read you reframe it for them. So it helps them look at things differently. But yes, no, absolutely. I think so. I supposed to perhaps Apps to start with is to explain obviously you've just it's been fixed versus growth mindset fixed means that we're quite rigid in the way that we think and growth means that we're open to change and we're and we're flexible. So I think the important to highlight is our kind of brain is designed to be fixed to a certain degree and what I mean by that is A brain receives a million bits of millions and millions of bits of information every second. It's insane what our brain process especially nowadays yet not right and exactly and it has to it has to take some shortcuts, you know, it can't it has to create rules in relation to how it makes decisions how we make judgments all those sorts of things. We have to your brain will just automatically is designed to make shortcuts and Makes those shortcuts based on or it makes those rules based on the experiences that you have. So right from the word go your experiences that you have from a child, you know, you might do something which results in something good or bad and your brain make creates a rule about that. Okay, and you're smiling I am. Okay and and so you can reach I don't know. No, teenage years and adult years the 70 80 year-old my father. Okay, here we go. And you're still using the same rule that you have used your brain takes that it's a bit like the, you know, wearing a pair of glasses and the lens that you see the world through you interpret what's going on in the world based on that lens. And that lens is that filter is based on the rules that you have created. Sometimes those rules service and at one point generally our rules have served us at one point, but you know things service very differently When We're Young versus when we were older and I don't want to make differentiation that or I don't want to sound like we're just making these rules when we're young. We're creating them day in day out. But if we've created a rule that then unconsciously your brain just behaves or thinks based on that rule over and over and over and over it becomes so fixed it. Um, so entrenched that that is just the way that your brain processes stuff automatically and as I said, it might have served at one point, but there's a chance and especially people that I'm seeing in therapy. They've got some rules going on that are not working for them anymore. And I love saying that now, I'm sorry. All right. What and how's that working for you now and they kind of long they go on. It's clearly not working anymore. Is it and it's equally this is all happening unconsciously, so Until we are in a situation where we are either have the opportunity to therapist or a coach or you've got friends or you're a very self-reflective person. You just keep going on day in day out doing what you normally do. I always like to describe it as a bit like, you know, we're on autopilot a lot of the time and we have to be to be able to process all this stuff but to be able to make changes and to be flexible. Isabel you have to come off autopilot. You have to be able to sit back and go. Okay. How did I respond to that? What was I thinking at the time that made me feel like that? That didn't feel so great. Was it what I did was it the way I was thinking and then you have to go. Yeah, but that, you know, then you'll then you have a but that's who I am. That's you know, what? Yeah, and that's the way I think and that's who I've always been and that's the way it needs to be and that's the fixed mindset. Then you go back to the question. And is that working right now? No. Okay. Well, you've got two choices you either keep going that way or you consciously decide to perhaps consider that there are other possibilities here. Just you know, even if just if the tiny possibility that you're open to that then we can work with that and it's my town. It's my job to help people. Recognize that there is value in potentially doing that. And as I said, I'll say you don't have to believe that fully right now or that option or that possibility. But is there even 5% 10% that that different way of thinking really to yield results could be slightly better and as long as you got that tiny bit to work on but you but usually what happens as well and the thing to understand with fixed mindsets is usually those rules again, not necessarily. Sara Lee from a conscious level but they keep us feeling safe. It might not be working for us. But it serves in terms of what we would call a second. There is a second regain their you know, no, I don't I don't know. I'm trying to think of a rule. I don't know I you know, I don't do presentations in front of big people like people sorry big groups of people and okay, that's it and you're not you know. That's it. Okay, but money house. Is that does that limit you? Yes, it does because that means I can't do presentations to the law. Okay. Is there a possibility that you might be able to have you ever thought about that? Yeah. So yeah so flexibility and you know, my my my company is called mine Flex because for me one of the most important things and there's too many important things. It's not the only thing but one of the most important things is is a to be able to You embrace the possibility of being more flexible in the way that you do things and the way that you think about things amazing. So I've just realized we never actually I cut you off because like you said, this is all intertwining. We never got around to the definition of psychological well-being but I think what my next question be will basically be getting people onto this flexibility of thinking and action, okay. Firstly give us your definition of psychological well-being and and how does getting somebody on to this flexibility of action and thought help that psychological well-being. Yeah, get get you into a good place within your own psychological well-being, huh? How can it how can it help boost you in that compartment? Okay, so if I go back to because I know I mentioned this psychological well-being Continuum and haven't actually explained it. So I generally Quran explain everything on a Continuum because everything sits on a Continuum and it's quite quite an easy kind of thing to explain if you work from you know, two things that polar ends of a Continuum of a scale sure so psychological well-being encompasses both psychological Fitness at one end of that can one end of the Continuum and psychological ill health at the other end. Okay? Okay, so and Where where we have evolved is that psychological ill health by has been defined mainly in the mental health kind of term. So if you say the word mental health to someone they don't think of that whole Continuum or spectrum. They think of the end of mental ill-health. So if I say we all have mental health everyone goes. Oh you mean I-10 depression it's like know so that's why I tend to prefer the word psychological well-being because actually what I'm talking about, is that whole Continuum that we all have and in an Ideal World, what we want to do is help people keep psychologically fit. We want to be a trend that end of the scale and and I suppose the psychological Fitness side of things is all about trying to educate people that it's that you shouldn't it just be paying attention to your psychological well-being when there's mental ill health issues. We can focus on a day-to-day basis just as you would know on your physical, you know on your physical fitness and there are a number of different things which includes flexibility of thought and coming back to it. There are a number of different tools and strategies that we can do to help ourselves. Keep psychologically fit. So we are talking that psychological Fitness is more in the prevention side of things or the prevention Space versus you know, where once we've got two mental ill-health. We're in the we're in the treatment end. So psychological flexibility is just one of the tools or one of the approaches that we can use to help ourselves. Keep psychologically fit. So so for example thought challenging you You know, if we help people recognize that on a day-to-day basis, they might be they might have a fixed mindset about the way that they do things the way that they approach things. There is a very simple kind of step-by-step process that you can do to a stop and engage with how you're thinking about something stop and say well is that working for me right now then go what? Okay, are there other Alternatives or what is the evidence that was suggested? Is that my way is the only way of thinking about something what are the options? Right? You know what I'm going to have to I'm going to take a risk because it does as I say it takes a bit of a risk because people feel safe thinking and doing things the same way that they always have done. So having Flex the port flexible thought or being able to be in a place where you can regularly challenge the way that you are thinking and doing things enables you to be open. To lots more opportunities and becomes much less limiting for you so curb like a weight coming off of your chest sort of a sudden this yeah, but it's like it's like when you when I don't know you have a conversation with someone and you and and you say well I'm going to do this and it has to be like this and they'll go on does it really you go? We'll start looking down other Avenue. Yeah, and actually actually you it's just there's space. There's just different options. So yeah, it's a very key part of kind of that psychological Fitness. Yeah abbs and there's tons of other alone website again longer afraid keep referring to it, but it was such a useful resource for me to pull my notes together. Yeah flexible adaptive thinking so that's baseball we spoke but there's loads of other areas that you talked about and just touch on a few of them. So resilience tools been one relationships and emotional support being another downtime that Massive one. I mean that from personal experience. I've I've touched on I'm actually done a solo podcast. I'm going to release in a couple of weeks on my kind of process, but maybe if we could talk about the you know, the importance of downtime your experience and kind of your thoughts on because it's probably a very subjective thing as downtime can mean a lot of anxiety. Yeah, and that's the thing that's really important and in everything that you do in any of the ways that you decide to Make a bit of a conscious choice to develop or you to work on is to recognize that everybody is unique and everybody's different and there is no fixed. You know, this isn't though. This isn't the medical model where we know that if you've broken your leg. This is the way this bone needs to be fixed in this way. It's so flexible in terms of the way you need to approach it, but down time is so important and actually just wrote an article recently on Alone time versus alone time kind of versus downtime as well. So maybe highlight the difference but as we mentioned earlier the amount that your brain has to process day in day out in relation to the amount of stimulus that we received is, you know has has increased so much the pace that we live life by by now, you know and perhaps we are have been not perhaps We all make choices. I know but we're kind of forced into this kind of fast pace of life. And I think sometimes it's almost it's almost weird. If you know, you would never go. Oh, how are you doing? Oh, yeah. I'm not done. You know, I'm not I'm not so much, you know, they almost like the automatic responses are crazy busy. But you know and that is almost with certain degree deemed to be a measure of success is how busy you are and then what ends up happening is, you know, Like you're you know Fitness training if you if you did full-on work out twice a day every day you get knackered and your brain is like a muscle in itself it gets exhausted and you can't you know, you know, we can't expect it to keep doing what it's doing day in day out without giving it some rest. So downtime is so important quite simply to help relax the the prefrontal cortex bit of your brain. Just needs some some relaxation and some down time and and actually so, you know, there's downtime which is away from perhaps the things that feel stressful. There's also things, you know, and and so for you or for other people that could be, you know, socializing with other people go into the cinema blah lots of different things equally alone time where there is no one else around is also really important. And then we have the difficulty where people confuse alone time with being lonely. You know, that's deemed. You know, you're on your own. What are you on your own? And actually, you know, when you're on your own you you don't have to process what someone else might be thinking or you don't have to you don't have to think about anybody else and it's really important. I downtime on our and downtime and alone time is great for our own creativity. It allows our brains space to think. Reflect you know, we're rubbish at self-reflection because we're constantly either thinking what's happened in the past or what's happened in the future. You know, it's that it makes it easier to be more present which we know to kind of moving towards the notion of kind of mindfulness, you know, all those elements helped literally calm the brain down and give the brain space just to have a little bit of time out. Yeah. It's amazing that like, I'm not drinking alone time specific. I'm never I mean I know what it is but separating the two I think is important because I am not I'm doing this is this is amazing context because I've just come back from a weekend which I do every six weeks. I go down to the coast with my dog. Mmm, and I don't speak to anyone from Friday evening until Sunday Sunday evening. Yeah, and it like I'm not saying that my job is any more sort of intense than others. Everyone's got an intense job, but I know the my job. I'm having upwards of 200 conversations a day. I'm also physically training. Yeah, I'm also trying to think of elements of the business moving forward. So it just doesn't stop. Yeah and as much as you think you like Superman in actually comes to a point where you can't and and Tristan my business partner actually read an article recently, which was found fascinating is that you actually have so many conversations that you physically can't take in anymore information or have any more or any interaction you have becomes null because you're not able to process their Feelings anymore and and give your opinion or help them or give guidance and you just physically can't do it and like you said, like people do think that having alone time is weird. And and to me it's become a complete non-negotiable. That's great. I physically can't I can't I know that if I've got it coming up I'll be able to go that extra mile just a little bit longer because I know those two days. Game-changing. Yeah, so yeah and a really healthy coping strategy effectively that you know to cope with and it is about identifying these healthier coping strategies because otherwise we you know, we use unhealthy coping strategies, you know drink and I'm not saying but you know, it's it Dusty doesn't Appeals Council and healthy. Yes, it does escape escape and yeah the wrong kind of Escape. Yeah, but it's all about balance because that is That you that you do that that you've made a choice to do that that it's a non-negotiable equally at the same time. Obviously if you were doing that every single weekend, we'd be going okay. Hold on a second. You're taking yourself off a human voice, you know you avoiding people because we know and that's one of the other aspects on the site Fitness factors is in relation in terms of relationships, you know, we are hard-wired to be with people. You know and it goes back to the day of you know, the group mentality and we only really survived as part of parts of groups. But you know our social support network, you know, this is the research backs is that has backed this up for ages now, but but social support is the biggest protective factor for mental health or for our psychological well-being. So it is the number one factor. To or for me would be a number one risk factor if I'm working with someone and they turn around so, you know, they have no friends or family to support them. And it almost doesn't matter how much therapy I would do with them. They need you need to have social support around you but it is all about the right balance. Yeah, you know, if you don't if you're constantly with people or you don't get that time out, then it will go the other way again, so it's about You know and over time and it does take time. It takes years to work out what fits and what feels right for you. And also what feels right for you now. Yeah, because that, you know 10 years ago when I worked might not work, it's funny. I was speaking to a close friend of mine who is a little bit younger and I said to him, you know going through a very difficult time and moment. I just said look mate just take yourself off and you know, you know, you know what I do. He's like, yeah, but that just doesn't work for me if I go off by myself now and and by myself Dude, it's not a good good environment for me. Yeah, and now hearing that having to balance across all of them and you know your plan to your plan your your personal plan for feeling having good psychological Fitness may change across time. I mean, it does mean yes completely and that in itself then therefore comes back to flexibility and you know and managing your expectations of yourself and having realistic expectations about yourself. Now yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know affects the way that you feel about yourself because again, if you you know, if you say that I should be able to spend time on my own and actually you're a point in your life, which is you're really struggling to do that. Then that that in itself becomes a point of failure sure for you 100% I mean there's there's I could touch on we probably talked about each one of these four hours. I mean the one that I mean there's another couple which I find interesting obviously sleep. I mean I'm a big believer in the importance of quality sleep on necessary quantity quality sleep. I've heard some great books Matt Walker's why we sleep Nick little hell's sleep. There's you know towards us a little bit about you know, your experience and your understanding of why sleep is such an important facet of your psychological health. I mean, there's a reason why they use sleep deprivation in tortilla. That's very welcome, sir. Starting point. Yeah, and it and anyone who has experience bouts of insomnia or anything which I have. Yeah, it literally is like torture and and there's many different aspects around why sleep is so important, you know from the fact that our brain needs to rejuvenate and rest and also at night time your brain does. Process it gives your brain the opportunity to process stuff that it's that it's gone through during the day. So even though we're asleep and its resting. It's also doing some really important stuff to help file memories correctly and stuff like that. But equally from a very kind of physiological and physical point of view, you know, when you don't have enough sleep you are not physically kind of capable of doing the things that you Need to do in your life. So for me, for example after I had my first child, I effectively as the specialist said to me I on learnt how to sleep and just as you do sleep training for a baby you've now got to relearn how to sleep. I'd become a bit to my threat system has was to alert at nighttime because I was waiting for baby who amazingly slept through really quickly and then I and I just kind of like them waiting. And so actually it you know, tiredness affects your mood, you know, and and your tolerance levels so it affects the way that you are able to kind of participate in your life during the day. So actually lack of sleep is something that can have as I say can massively affect your emotions and your emotional state and then your emotional state then starts impacting your sleep. So that's when it becomes a very Negative debilitating cycle that feeds in to feeds into each other. So recognizing the very basic the very basics of sleep hygiene is really important. But equally if you're struggling on a on a very serious level with kind of insomnia, it is something that you need to get very specific treatment on and there is a great CBT program. For example, there's evidence based. And a kind of CBT program that helps with that because it's you know, if as I say if someone is not sleeping their capabilities are reduced and you are limited and then that affects your sense of who you are and then it just Cascades does it does actually Point I've made on this podcast fours when I spoke to my psychotherapist, I was about 4 months can ask the last one and I was everything in my life was going great. It was really like business is going well. Family was well friends with great and I was just so down I could and it was and he goes to me looks me and he goes you need to remember that the feelings of exhaustion and depression are very similar. Yeah, very similar. Yeah, but simply no exhaustion is caused by a lack of quality sleep. Yeah, and if you saw that out, yeah everything opens up in front of you again. Yeah, which is with depression you kind of is a very Different process and ya think. No absolutely and it's like kind of like you said then it's about looking looking at it flexibly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah because that was not fixed so I can carry where I can come on. It's the same as it was a lovely piece of research on anxiety and they had can you know two different groups where they got them some people to tell themselves and Associate their the physical reaction. They were experiencing which they felt was anxiety and they Associated it with excitement instead so it oh I'm excited. I'm excited and it changed that's a just a different way of looking at it. But you you start interpreting your physical symptoms in a very special way and that and that's what happens with people who have panic attacks you start to feel slightly nervous and then you start going you tell yourself right? I'm going to have a panic attack. I'm going to have a panic attack. And then you do you do fascinating fascinating. So another point on here physical exercise and nutrition. I mean I talked about this in across the podcast all the time being in Health Fitness. So the next one I really want to talk about is the work and finance one, which is interesting to me and it's going to lead onto my necktie. I'm kind of interested to talk for about two to four minutes because I really want to wrap up with grit with a big finish here because it's fascinating I want to talk about About your kind of stuff you do with organizations and performance and stuff. I know it hard to do for five minutes can do I was about it. But yeah work talk about, you know, the importance of working finances as a part of your psychological Fitness. Yeah, and then suffer the way you do with organizations. Yeah, so work and fitness working Fitness work and finance. I mean, I'd Club the tube together and actually perhaps it's something for me to revisit and reflect on because sometimes I GM work doesn't So I really have to be paid work. Yeah, I think about so they probably do need to be split out work of any sort whether that's paid or unpaid has been shown to contribute hugely to our psychological well-being contribute positively to our psychological well-being because it provides us with a sense of purpose and if we don't have a reason to do the things that we're doing on a day-to-day basis or to get up in the morning, you know our motive. Motivator our drive system is not being ignited and that's really really important to our psychological health. So when we achieve something because work generally involves goals and goal setting again, which is really really important to our psychological health because once we achieve things we have a lovely dump of this hormone called dopamine it makes us feel great for makes us feel good about ourselves and then that drives us to do more or drives us to what helps us. Helps drive us to achieve more goals. So the more that we are open and this kind of slightly starts them talking about grit the more that we are open to setting bigger goals and goals that are outside of our comfort zone. The better we will feel about ourselves and the greater sense of achievement that we will have and then opening ourselves up to goals that are outside of our comfort zone then just opens ourselves up to even more challenges sure and more opportunities and more goals mostly dimensions of your mind. Yes. So it's again, it's a real growth. Yeah approach to it. So, you know as I say, it doesn't necessarily have to be paid work, but even you know, charitable charitable work or volunteering it's it's the notion of purpose and the sense of purpose that is So so important and we need a sense an element of purpose whatever that is. And again, this is completely individual doesn't have to be that you know, it doesn't have to be about earning lots of money. Yeah, of course and again feeding a bit into the grit side of things it then all becomes about how what are measures of success are so again, I'm measures of success. In a work environment might be unrealistic or might not be healthy for us. So actually focusing and being out of work through and understanding what's important to us and how we're going to measure our levels of success is really important from up from a work perspective finances on there in that, you know, it is important that people have a sense of agency. Empowerment and the reality is in life. We need money to do that. Yeah, and I don't mean a lot of money but enough money and again, this is where it comes down to how you measure success. You know, how much money do you need to be able to achieve the things that feel important to you? I think it's a point you made there, which is fascinating Tim Ferriss. You have a fabulous. Yes. So you always ask people and show you guys. What is what do you determine success as and thousands of different answers and there's a guy that came Knit one sock I could Derek severs I think and he goes that is an extremely hard question to ask because success is completely and utterly unique defining. Your meaning of success is completely unique to every individual because what I say, I think successes is relevant because everybody has different, you know has a different purpose in there that what what what what they live life or is completely different to the person next to them for If I say, you know is which I think is really really good point because success is completely different to everyone an equally your your measures of success will change over time. Yeah, and that's really important to be open to the fact that again you're on also Pilar when you were 20 you decided that you needed to be the CEO of a company you still held on to that belief you're now in your forties and you know, you're not a CEO so you feel like a failure and then you go to someone will Do you want to be a CEO do really really? Is that does that going to not really the change it? Okay. Yeah, so actually you're measuring your level of success based on something that you created when you were 21 years old brilliant. So it again being open to the notion that you know, what does success look like to you and you might get an automatic response. But then when you start on picking that and go well, you know, does that does that match your values that you have now? Yeah. Great nice. So so brilliant so brilliant injury. So talk a little bit about the work that you do with organizations because that kind of stuff really fascinates me going into a group of people probably, you know, a lot of time sure there's a mixture of growth and fixed mindsets in there. Yeah, and it kind of the work you have to do and and and how you kind of get the ball rolling to essentially increase performance within that organization. Yeah. Yeah. So there are a number or a couple of different factors. Facets and actually I do some of my work with with my brother actually because I was at work. Yeah. Well, he's still probably by my hero in life. But yeah, he's served in in the parachute regiment for 20 years. He you know got an MMC and Military cross for his leadership skills in Afghanistan. So if any One has kind of credence in relation to kind of leadership. I love to speak to him. Oh, yeah, he's a busy one for the podcast. I would definitely say so often Italy love the object know. He's a he's a he's an exceptional human being what a lovely way to speak about somebody. Yeah. I know he's amazing. So we've combined actually some one of the aspects that I do is to you know is to try to educate the Your team because actually start everything generally needs to start from the Senior Management sure because you have to get buy-in from the senior level for for stuff to trickle down and for things to be embraced because actually what you tend to find is you know, what I'm going to do. You can't see on on on podcast but you know the Millennials that everyone kind of doesn't a lot of people have a lot of bad things to say about actually from from my side. They are the people within Organizations who are really open to all of this. They're really open to learning about how to look after their minds. And actually it's the more that the senior teams that are a bit more have a bit more fixed mindset about how things need to be. So a lot of the work that I do is about trying to re-educate around the difference between mental health issues the difference with psychological Fitness and actually trying to help people and organizations recognize that they need to be focusing not just on how to how to help their staff get support for their mental health issues, but then how can they create a culture that promotes psychological Fitness and so doing workshops with the senior management teams to help them understand the impact and the benefits that that Have ya so for example, actually Google did this really cool, but of research it's called the Aristotle project and they looked at high performing teams in their organization and they wanted to find out what are the factors that that identified high-performing team members and the number one factor not wasn't Talent OR capability said it was psychological safety. safety and what we mean by that is If someone feels psychologically safe in an environment, they will take greater risks in their work environment. So if so, if a manager creates an atmosphere in their team the make someone feel psychologically safe not feel judged feel they're able to talk about their ideas and not be judged for it that will I suppose drive them to bigger goals and to achieve bigger things and therefore was the number one factor in high performing teams fast. So young a bit all over the place. So it's a bit of a combination between when I go into organizations is first of all, it's important to understand what they're already doing because a lot of organizations have had a bit of a knee-jerk response to you need to be looking after you or your staff psychological well-being. What can we do? You know, and that's yeah and you know, as I said, there's been a lot of Mental Health First Aid training, but that that kind of sits in the field. Of mental ill health. It's about trying to help organizations create a more accessible route. And for me psychological Fitness is a much more. What's the word? I'm looking for acceptable thing to talk about then mental health. She died people to get the backside diamonds when they him enter the yeah. Yeah been bit of a stigma. Yeah that psychological Fitness sounds yeah, very isn't it's more motivating. Is much more and it's not just to be used as a let's just try and squeeze people into that and then we can open them up into you know, if they need mental help, you know mental mental health treatment because there's an absolute valid need for this prevention work. But it does Also Serve I think to just make psychological well-being that whole Continuum more accessible. So the work work that we do companies, you know will will depend upon their needs. It might be there would be one to one, you know coaching that's required workshops, which the whole you would kind of start with the senior management teams to get their buy-in and understanding and then it's about ensuring that all staff members have this level of understanding have this level of education and I have these accessible tools and strategies. Jeez, that's so easy to use day in day out that it becomes as or you know, in an Ideal World, you know becomes as automatic as oh how many steps have I done today? Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So so yes that I didn't wear that gives enough. Yeah, it does. Absolutely I'm awake just like okay where can people find more information on your company and I mean, do you have Instagram or maybe to call out your website just calls to action for them just in case the amount of people that that I've come on the show and people have been fascinated with their work and then they contact them. I think it would definitely be worth while yeah wanted so much. My website is mindflex group.com. I am I have been very terrible in the social social media world and now coming back after two bouts of maternity leave. My Instagram will start now becoming more active but I am the mindflex doctor on Instagram, but It's looking very sparse at the first night. I mean, I would I would absolutely love to see one of those workshops at some point. So hopefully one day yeah got big enough company. Now, I want to talk about he told me not to slap the taste out. I want to talk a bit about Sisterhood The Sisterhood. Sorry, I should say we've had em a sale on here previously users is a founding member it she knows his arm. Matriarch serious serious character she is a fascinating individual and and killing Christians is you know, that was one of the best episodes I've done. I loved every second of it. I would love to know a little bit about the sister what it is and then we'll talk a little bit about grit in relation to its assisted because I don't know if you I'd be probably won't know but I kind of when I was reading through all The Sisterhood is I kind of saw in something similar on a very smaller scale. I started I'm called the Trail Blazers Club a couple of years ago and where we kind of wanted to do something crazy. Easy to get to ourselves. Yeah, but raise money for a charity. Yes, and in the process groomer my crew my my dimensions of well, that's when I did the ultimate and yeah, so when I saw it, I was like I get this yeah, not this I just love this. I love this. Oh, yeah, please just far away and tell us it's all about it and what you've done recently which is Mega and what you've done previously as well. Yeah and what you're going on today? Yes. So yeah The Sisterhood sounds I always kind of say sounds a bit bra burning but it really is. He actually really isn't at all and I wasn't a founding member so Emma can slap me if I get this slightly wrong, but many years back 10 years ago. I think over several glasses of wine in the pub someone. Yeah a group of blokes that Emma knew said they were going to Dragon Boat across the channel and so am I being Emma went are we going to do that? And we're going to be And this and that's just for The Sisterhood was literally formed. So the first thing that The Sisterhood did was dragon boats across the channel and then and then it you know, it existed very much as being a group of girls in London and what I've always loved about it of like such a variety of Ages. It really is just a very Clinton a huge eclectic mix of people. All who have one thing in common that is just kind of do loaded challenges and have a bit of fun and raise money as much as we can. So we had a Dragon Boat that was moored in Barns and every Monday night. We would do a bit of paddling training in inverted commas a good little gas up the river and have a drink in the pub. And and and so we would we have done a number of different paddle boat Dragon Boat Races. Oh the Great River Race we've done several times, which is from Tower know beyond tower bridge. Where is it? Anyway, it's a really long way but enzyme Richmond as a really hard hard race for hours of just non-stop handling, you know to doing more fun races and I always say this wrong it's called something like the Volga longer in Venice. So which the girls I'm not doing it this year. The the girls are doing it. This year again, which is non motorized boats paddling around Venice. Basically, we've done the Bosphorus. I've done the boss for a swim twice. They've done which I again I didn't do so, I only got involved for about six years ago. They're done a Big Raft race in Amazon on the Amazon and then and then constantly just doing running race. Is and other swimming challenges and just whatever little challenges so it's a kind of a combination. It's not always massive different charities every time you know every time but tends to be on a yearly basis it shall mix Emma would side to kind of mix it up a bit just donated to the new was in the pool Foundation. Yes, so that was the charity one of the Charities for the recent Challenge and this has been our first big challenge for quite a while so Emma. The the founding member has just got through having her third child. And so there are obviously other priorities have kind of taken over a little bit over the last few years to a certain degree. Although she's never never stop doing it and it's felt time to reclaim the ability to do this stuff again, and so we've just done the speed project which was Real a running race from LA to Vegas. So we took two teams out and we had four of the massive RV things between the two teams and it was just literally a relay race. So tapping the next person runs and tapping the next person and then we it was non-stop 48 hours. So adorable. It was amazing really it was amazing. I mean it's was kind of utterly crazy and again those setting come and kind of bringing the grit in at this point, you know, we wanted to achieve that in 48 hours and we knew that it was a massive feat for us because you know, we're not professional runners or not. You know, we're really not professional runners. There are some Runners that are faster than others. We did a mixed team this time which we have on several stuff so that we've got The Sisterhood which are the girls and then Have the sister would with the boys. So we had I had really heard and would on this so we had some you know, amazing guys and some just still serving and some some injured military ex-military guys who were incredible and you know, we set ourselves a big challenge everyone threw themselves into it, you know, the even talk about grip which is all about passion you need passion and perseverance. There's just all this passion that is just created you create you build your grit when you are surrounded by gritty people as well. And this is a hugely gritty group of people and that kind of breeds it to a certain degree under percent and you know, you've, you know, the competitive element we want it to be competitive, but you just didn't actually kind of takes over and you know, and we ended up completing it in 47 hours and 56 minutes. So we were four minutes. Off and I cannot tell you the last group of you have actually got goosebumps. The last group of the the people that almost selected in our team to run the last bit which was we've got try and go we've got to do this ran their socks off. I mean, they Jeff edible. It was so incredible and that sense of achievement, you know again, so when you so, you know, we have become potentially, you know less gritty in that That we keep ourselves in our comfort zone a bit more and I have to admit I you know, I'd had two children and there was this challenge came up and I there was a part of me that was like that stuff for me anymore. I don't really know because I used to all the time and then I've done this. I'm like I've reconnected back with why it's so important to do these things and to set ourselves challenges that are outside of our comfort zone because it's very easy to just set ourselves goals that we know that we can do and achieve When you achieve something that you're really not quite sure as possible. It's absolutely awesome when you achieve when you achieve it, I mean it was a lot a little bit weird for me because I was meant to be the cycle support supporting the runners on bike and we bought really cheap terrible bikes when we got over to America and it was all a bit of a waste of time. So I ended up doing some I ended up running right which was great and And I just I mean the experience of running underneath the Stars, you know on your own with through Death Valley and it's just one of those things that yeah absolutely amazing so that and that Collective the collectiveness about at all. You know, we've got the you know, what's that growth? Everyone's still messaging it's almost like that vague kind of come down thing, but what it does and I always associate help for Heroes with the when we used to run all these amazing events and Veterans you Participate in things that they found so, you know used to affect their psychological well-being really well, but it can't be just about these one-off events, you know, they are really important. But equally I've taken a learning from from that which is you know, I moved out of London for five years ago and to still be connected to this stuff is really really important to me. So I it's really important that I don't go I live out in Hartford cheers amazing impact your Social Circle can Oh, it's huge. It's huge and it's like we mentioned throughout this mean in terms of grits. I mean that if there has been lucky when I was at school, like I think that may have been the age of when everyone starts to really monitor muddy mollycoddle. Yeah. And yeah and you kind of get that. Oh, yeah. Well, everyone's got a getting an award. Yeah, you know, which kind of takes away the the kind of drive to go out and really put effort in like like Britt is perseverance. It's a project. Yeah to get that sense of achievement. Yeah, so it's just funny is you know something like The Sisterhood is just a great environment to be able to do that. But it I feel like it certain caliber of person drives those things. No, absolutely and I mean Emma sale, I've never met anybody else like a really good and she is so, you know, we've got some training at the moment for the channel. We're doing a relay Channel swim in June. So there's six of us six The Sisterhood girls with yeah we're doing In June and then training for the moment. Yes. How's it going? Yes, it's going. I'm more worried about the because we do one hour stints because it's a really it's a really that we're doing again, and we've got do a to our qualifier in a few weeks, which is in water. That's 16 degrees and or less and I'm think I'm more worried about that than I am the actual thing. But so we've got that coming up which is great. And actually we're doing that for the children sick. Charity charity and that is off the back of had has had an ongoing kind of tough time with her youngest in and out of guys hospital. So so the next thing is September we're doing it's the urban challenge or something and it's running and spinning and then climbing up the tower the ever Evelina Tower at guys and then I think they're doing that they are doing the Volga longer again and then Next year Emma is talking about potentially doing a run somewhere that results in 400 miles and ending up in Nashville because she really likes country music and she just interact with you. Yeah she offered. Okay. Well that kind of leads me on to I mean my kind of rounding up questions first. I really this has been completely and utterly fascinating. I've really loved every second I think the value of these Besides is really important to have out there for people to listen to you. So I really do appreciate it firstly who's been your biggest inspiration. It's a tough question to ask there's been several. Yeah, there's been several this slightly off the cuff, but now you mentioned the only pain yeah, like question and it's funny. Really. I think I have just I have different people that influence me in different different. Areas, I already did mention that my brother and I did actually do mean that really seriously and that he is a he's always has been and continues to be a massive inspiration sure to me the way that he approaches approaches everything that he does with grit and determination and just loads of vibrancy in life. I mean, I do actually find them on sale and I'm sure you'll laugh when I when she hears this but she she has achieved success against the odds and I think that's awesome where someone just keeps going and keeps going against what everything everything that everybody was saying to her. She she kept going in terms of famous. People don't have to be famous that know. I really I really struggled to say that I necessarily find Fake people inspiring there are certain people that I tend to find people certain people within my field really inspiring in terms of what they've done. There's a guy that I I work have a worked alongside with for several years is about a guy called Professor Neil Greenberg who is just an just such a knowledgeable fascinating amazing is called Professor Neil Greenberg and he is an absolute expert in the military mental health world and he was someone who in my thesis I quoted over and over in terms of all of his research and then one day all of a sudden I was standing in front of him and I was like, oh my God, I need to say something intelligent. And actually he's the nicest guy and came to my wedding and he's hungry right now, but he He him and he would take to hear me say this but it's one of the things which is a huge in that and Emma and I have talked a lot about this that's really important. It is something around something called imposter syndrome. Yeah, and I've experienced a lot of imposter syndrome throughout my life. And I think you know and I've kind of committed to myself that this is the time to start getting over that but being around big academics who I find amazingly Spiring inspire me, but also give me imposter syndrome that I shouldn't be doing this because they're this much but again, then it comes down back down to how you reframe your your measures of success. Now. I'm never going to be a professor but there's a lot of other things that I can bring to this. I mean imposter syndrome every time I interview someone on this show so I can enjoy an imposter syndrome podcast then for sure. Yeah. Okay. Lastly, I don't know basic I saw this. Cost off of the back of going through mental health difficulty in myself and my early 20s, which I think is an extremely tough time for a lot of people because they kind of not sure on the direction they should be going in and like you said, there's so much Choice out there. So yeah, I mean, I was definitely one of those people that pick those things up and drop them because I didn't get success straightaway. Yeah, so I was slightly fixed mindset in that in that kind of aspect. But basically I ask somebody, you know one kind of Life Lesson they but not advice. I think I vices are slight kind of slightly dangerous but life lesson you've learned that you could pass on somebody. In that position in their early 20s or 30s that kind of just looking for a bit of a bit of a direction bit of yeah guidance almost on how to kind of approach life from after hearing. This episode will be I think, you know, we've talked a lot about being flexible and open to change and just being able to recognize that taking a step back and looking in on things and seeing whether different ways of thinking and doing things as possible but one of the things which is a really important thing to try and embrace and I remember somebody saying to this to me after I had my first child which was a very anxiety-provoking time. Is there any first mother but I still love this that they said just remember that everything is a phase and everything moves on to the next phase. So I think when you're in your twenties, it's such a hard time because you know you generally You've been to school you've done this you've done that and then all of a sudden you're meant to be a grown-up adult. Yeah, I understand and you know, you are too you end up with quite high expectations of yourself. I think the flex but I'm struggling here to give you one be flexible with your expectations of yourself be realistic with the expectations of yourself, but more than anything just try and embrace the fact that everything is a phase and This this phase is going to move on to the next one. And if now doesn't feel things don't feel right now. Just keep going because I kept going until I was in my little I was 30 and then things started to make sense. I think I think things do make more sense in your 30s. And I just know it just you know, that that notion again that I suppose that that embracing grit but also embarrassing and The courage to be vulnerable at the same time. You have to talk out. You have to speak to your friends and your family around you use the support network that you have. It's not it's not weak to say you don't know where you're going or you don't know what you're doing or you want something different and you don't know what that is, you know, just keep seeking because it will emerge it will and it's just a phase and it and that and I don't mean that in terms of turdy. The value I was just a phase that I know that can sign up but it is life comes in phases and you will move if you do stuff that keeps momentum going you just got to keep moving because you will move into the next phase. I love it. I've asked that question so many times. I've never got the same one really. Well, that's good. That's good. Once again, I want to say thank you so much. That was extremely insightful for me. I know inside for everybody else. I really do appreciate that. I've loved every second for having me no more. Thank you so much.

The continuum of ‘Psychology Wellbeing’ spoken about with Dr Vanessa Moulton is a conversation that has changed my thinking around mental health. Why should we simply just focus on the mental ill health end of the spectrum? We should also be focusing on all the areas of our psychological fitness at the top end of the spectrum and how we can optimise our mind at all time. You don’t stop at the gym when your body is getting into good knick? Think about that. Vanessa is a psychologist that has worked in some incredible environments. Being heavily involved with help for Heroes being just one of them. The work she does with organisations, groups of people and on a one on one basis is amazing! Check out some of the things we spoke about!! * Vanessa’s professional background that lead her from a career in marketing to working with war veterans. * ‘Psychological Fitness’, or should I say ‘Psychological Wellbeing’ what this means and how this area has grown in the public eye in the last 20 years? * The continuum of ‘Psychological Wellbeing’ - Psychological Fitness / Psychological Ill Health. * Flexibility of thought and action. The power that can be created when you unleash the fact that there is always another way. There is no one size fits all. * How to make people realise that their self made ‘rules’ may NOT be working for them anymore. * How flexibility of thought and action can help you be on the RIGHT end of the Psychological well being spectrum. * Other psychological fitness factors. * Downtime - why it is SO important, what it is and how it is subjective to the individual. * Finding balance across the psychological fitness factors and how it takes a years to form the right formula for you? * Sleep - why it is just everything to us! * Work and purpose - how when we achieve in these areas we open ourselves up to more opportunity and achievements. * Success - How the definition of success can change. Just because you sat yourself a specific idea of success when you are 20 DOESN’T mean that should always be your idea of success. * Vanessa talks about one her heroes - He may be coming on the show soon too!! * How Millennials are more open minded and how senior executives tend to be more fixed. Vanessa talks about the work she does with organisations in order to make them more conscious of psychology in the workplace. It is a huge performance indicator in the workplace. * Vanessa talks to us about ‘The Sisterhood’ - when it started, what it means and what they have done. * GRIT - Passion and perseverance. How and why it is so important to keep growing and setting yourself challenges. (1 hour 11 minutes). * Who Vanessa’s biggest influences are. One of which has been on the show, Emma Sayle CEO of Killing Kittens. * A few life lessons that Vanessa has learnt. The 30’s is when it all becomes clearer - BE PATIENT!

Hey everyone, welcome to the whether in fact, this is episode 17. Today's date is October 8 2019 and I am Duds or Duds versus known everywhere else on the internet and I'm bunk out up or bank for sure. And today we're going to talk about well stuff like that. Really Minecraft is it well little bit but yeah, um, but before we do what what if you been up to this week anything interesting I went ahead and threw thisHere much pain pain is the name of the game for me this entire week. So I have like dislocated my hip or something. I've so I set this goal to lose a lot of weight in a year and I've been doing really good. Like I lost 20 pounds in three weeks nice. So I was extremely happy with myself and I was pushing my exercises a little bit too far. And I've always had bad hips. Basically. I remember going in for a physical like my freshman year of college because I had to get a physical to try out for the club soccer team. But and yeah, the doctor said when you're 30, you're body's going to hate you because when I was younger, I used my body as a jungle gym. Just go through it around wherever I could and sure enough as a 31 year old man sitting before you my body hates. I know the ceiling. Yeah, so work has been gracious enough to have me just sit at my bench and not go around lifting the heavy objects. Like I normally do which you would think would be awesome Until you realize I sit at a bench. On a stool so it's another comfortable C. So I'm sitting there for eight hours hunched over. So now I have back pain in the middle of my back. Oh, she just keeps getting worse. Right and I drive a Mustang. So I have to lower myself into the car. All right, which seemed really feel like an old man now. Yeah, I don't know where it is. Not that bad. But now I have a hip that doesn't want to work right that clicks every time I try to Step and a back. That's just throbbing dude. You sound like you're 80 or something. I know that's that's horrible. I just I it's to the point where I've been contemplating going to the doctor to get just pain relief medicine because I really want to get back into the gym and keep working because I was on such a roll and it's like yeah, you need something. So if by the end of this week, I'm not better. I'm getting some kind of pain meds. I hate taking pain meds. So if I I don't have to I won't well, so you gotta be careful. I guess you don't suppress the pain so much that you'll break yourself even more that makes sense. Yeah, so standing and sitting and walking is a real just it sucks. Yeah, but basically you just have to lie down to be comfortable. No lying down hurts even worse. So, is there anything you can do or was it just as long as I once I get set down. I'm file guy. It's just the motion of standing up sitting down and then walking it literally just lifting the leg to move it forward is what hurts it once I'm in position. I'm good. It doesn't hurt. Run through wheelchair for another week now. We'll see that's the best part of my house an elderly woman lived here before me. So it's alright like wheelchair accessible. Oh, okay. Well exactly. Yeah get a wheelchair. You can just sit down move around. Yeah, so ice to move on from the pain I did start getting back into the swing of things did live stream on Friday. You were there. Yeah, I will stare. Well, so that was it for my famous fan to do it again. Yeah smaller audience, but I kind of figured that was going to happen being gone for almost two months. They were really active though. I know it so it made me feel Need to coming back and people are like yeah, he's back and we did a lot of building. We have really cold. We finished an entire section in front of the base. And that's what's driving me to go forward like literally as we finish this podcast today. I'm hopping on the server and going to start recording some more so I should have an episode out this week two, and I know I promised that before and didn't but I have nowhere else to go because I can't move so yeah just gonna sit it just are anyway. Hopefully, I mean the new area turned out so well, hopefully that that inspired a little to get some Mortal. Yeah, but that was basically my week. How about you well beyond the LifeStream out my week was so still kinda that I almost forget like what I did this whole. Yeah. I mean, I didn't work this Thursday like actual work, which was kind of cool. I had to I had to teach her the high school who were on Camp on How do you call that? There were on a on a trip for a week or something? I was kidding pretty cool Blake with Lego robots. Yes, but beyond that. Yeah, I didn't really really do much. You paid my attention with Legos. I love Legos. So you get these Lego robots. They're called easy tree. No clue. They're really expensive but they're kind of cool. They have like Motors and all kinds of sensors and then you can program them them but you can also control them if your phone so that's what I did. I made them build like a sort of car and make them race and then we added like little boy. And poke sticks which make like barbecue thingies from like when you put some meat on a stick and then put it on the barbecue. Oh, yeah. I'm for it. Why can't I think of the name? I know exactly what you're talking about you that's a shame though that helps if it was any point, other than right. Now when the pressure is on I would know the name of this. I want to say skewer or but I think that's just the name of the steak. I think that's just the name of Having the meat onto the stick. Oh, I don't know I guess by this point people are really confused. So they'll know what I talk about in the unlike little boy yelling out loud right now or about yeah, we gonna get this Court's going so I'm sure oversized toothpicks. That's that's what yeah, Debbie's and yeah, so we put those on the robots and then like a little balloon and then I mean you kind of get a Mario Kart effect, right? You have to pop the balloon and then huh? Say that the yeah, they're really enjoyed that I was kind of fun to do. Yeah, so it sounds awesome. Hmm. Hey baby, that's all which is cool. That's always a plus. You got to play with Legos and then get paid for it. Right? I mean that's that's not a bad deal. Not at all. Yeah, but that was my week. Shall we shall we move on to? Yeah to the my little bit of my crops. Yeah, which we're going to have a little bit of Minecraft this week. I can't wait to tell You guys what was happening thanks to bang for doing this. But anyways, Minecraft news snapshot 19 W 40 a we're only going to go over to things because Mo being only really did a couple things. They fixed a bunch of bugs. The only bug that I saw that was kind of cool for me was mobs can no longer spawn on Jack-o'-lanterns and Redstone lamps. Why are they shouldn't have been able to spot on those anyways, but yeah, I'm confused that that happens the future. Yeah. Now the camp and then also parrots can now sit on player shoulder. Even when they're player is riding in a mine cart or a boat. Oh, I saw in the in our notes. I saw when a player is writing so immediately the picture like a horse and then the player sitting on it with a parrot on the shoulder and I was like, oh, that's cool. I don't really miss it. I don't use parrots that much, but that's a cool thing to have but I guess know maybe I don't know. Maybe I got it wrong. I I swear I copied and pasted it over. I probably didn't finish what I may be their worst thing was already an option maybe but when the horse jumps or whatever you had the the parents probably gonna fly off right? You would think I guess. Yeah. That's how they get off right by jumping. Yeah, who knows but some of the things we went over from Minecon live or forgot to go over from Minecon live. Last one didn't really have the time for it. Mostly I guess although that's true. I inside to be Might have I'm just going to mention Minecrafters because it was mentioned. I didn't see any kind of knew they posted a video and it was the same old. Same old. I'm still not excited to play it. Maybe that's just a skeptic in me. But I think it'll be really fun for about an hour and then not get picked up again. Maybe some other people might have more fun, but I just wanted to bring it up because it was mentioned during Minecon live, even though it really wasn't anything new. Hmm. Well let's just going to say like I am going to excited but only for that first hour. I'm just curious how it will be to so dry in it. I don't think I'll play that my Twitter but who knows well to me, it's the whole having to look through your phone and something that's already in front. Like I got the Feeling motion sickness. It's going to be a huge problem. Especially for me who has to turn review bobbing off in the game because it makes them sick to her stomach. I just kind of dislike look. My phone all together already. That's sure to like that when you only time I use it is to either send the message make a phone call or when I'm on the toilet. Yeah for the rest of the reviews it good points all of them. Let's get into dungeons because they released a cinematic sent their words their hard cinematic intro. There we go. Go nailed it. It was actually pretty cool. It was nice to see a little bit of a story start developing for dungeons. It's about the main villain and how he kind of became the main villain. So if you guys are interested in dungeons, I suggest going and watching it. There's a couple like funny spots in there where they mention this orb that makes you like all-powerful, but it's like a block because you know, it's Minecraft. They don't have Circles of course, but here's the thing you have. XP orbs in the game that are around so which means there might be some kind of leveling system on and talk about in just Minecraft itself like a Minecraft XP or Ms. Round yet. They called this like oh, right or but whatever it was is a block it says like I get it. It's a funny nod the fact that Minecraft zablocki game mmm, but you have round orbs and Minecraft We're they the same sort of size as the right now XP arbs know whatever a bigger I guess. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense that they make it a block done. Yeah, it was pretty funny and it's definitely worth the watch. I am still excited for dungeons. It definitely won't be a hardcore playthrough, but it'll definitely be something I pick up multiple times to play with. I'll definitely try it out for the rest time. I'm really unsure. I'm not Sure, we'll think of it. Yeah, so I'm just gonna gonna wait and see well the next buying point. I guess they announced a board game, which I think is actually kind of cool because it was by Ravensburger. Not sure if I pronounce it right clue, which I know like I used to play a lot of board games and stuff and I I know those guys can make cool games. Although it's a long time. I'm ago since I play the game they made so they might have changed but it looked kind of fun. They had like cards from the table and they were turning them in terms. So it seemed like you were sort of digging down layer by layer. I don't know they could be really interesting. But who knows, you know, what is the trailer and I was extremely lost. No Wayne what I do know, you can download the instructions for the game already. Oh, I'm like this. That there's like a board game junkie or nerd board games or something like that. You have to like sign up for their site, but I think it's a free thing to sign up for and you can download the instructions for the game. So you can know how to play the game before you go buy it, which will probably be helpful considering people like me watch the trailer and way why is there a giant spider on the table? Yeah, it could be interesting to to sort of get an idea of how the game works. Yeah. No, I think I think I might yeah, I don't know. It's not released yet. Is it I don't think so. Of course. I think I don't believe middle. There's a couple unboxing videos on YouTube. So I don't know if those are people who got special access or maybe it really is already out. We actually did look into that. I'm definitely curious. If it it'll be I mean I still like board games. So I'm curious if that could be an interesting. Thinking to have to get see all my friends are married with babies. So they don't leave their house anymore. So stuff like board games. They don't get to get played around things, right? Yeah. Well, I still play with my my girlfriend sometimes board games the third there's some that you can play with two players. That's and then I recently started playing Dungeons and Dragons with with a couple of people. They're all sort of finishing students. So that's you know, they're all single. Yeah, I have there into that. I have a buddy who is starting a YouTube channel playing Dungeons and Dragons and he's basically been using me as a way to get some references. Like hey, how should I put my camera here? What aspect ratio should I use microphone setups programs all that kind of stuff. So I've basically been it help for him. Nice Granite he has Figured out a ton on his own but he keeps trying to get me to play D&D and I'm just like not going to happen and it's not because I don't like the game. It's like I have only so much creativity in myself. So to spend this time creating a D&D character in playing that game. I'd have nothing and it's like I'm trying to write a book. I'm trying to play Minecraft. I can't have this other thing might create fuel will be empty. They got you. I mean, I'm no expert by any means. I'm still very much a beginner, but they help you a lot with that sort of creative stuff like that. There's like there's the handbook the player handbook and that has a guy to do all kinds of things and they help on how to be creative. It's really not that hard and it's not really much effort. Unless you're a dungeon master. I've heard that that requires quite a bit of planning and stuff, but obviously you won't be that as a new Are now I hardly have to do anything. I can just show up play the game and then go away which sound still that it's yeah, every time I constantly just sacrificed my character. Let's move the story along. I'm going to go ahead and fall in that grenade or whatever. It is Magic bomb. Sure. I saved everyone else. Let's keep going forward. Yeah, you could I guess we'll see I hear it so much about people who get attached to their D&D characters because like you play with this character for years sometimes. Yeah, I mean like so I made a character and it's like I really I really like the guy it's a halfling. So it's a really tiny dude and he's overly happily. He's a baker as well. So you just like to eating and drinking basically. I mean, it's sort of me in a different version, I guess. Yeah, and and it's like it's a lot of fun creating that but I nearly died last last time and I are was smiling. I was like, I don't mind like if that happens it happens because I was already curious like I know said the the engine Master the guy he's in control. I think he could like just pretty much make people know that if you would want to and I was kind of afraid like, how nice is he going to be but now I just straight up almost killed me. Take the whole agree. I was really lucky noted. I basically which was cool. Yeah, and I wouldn't have mind personally maybe because my character is new, although I really well relate to him as a big word but I like the guy. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's sort of the appeal right? That's true. I think you're right on that. But so that going off topic is going to lead to our main topic discussion, but first we have to plug our Discord. And yeah, we have a Discord. Well, it's s we offer discard now, but we have a while already we even got a new new brand or a new channel a brand new doggy channel for everyone who likes to see pictures, although everyone is able to post pictures in there now as well. So if you'd like to post pictures of your dog, feel free to do so, it's a great place to hang out with us and ask questions and give us suggestions on what to do and we always like to get Feedback, so please join our this cart and we'll see you there. Yeah, speaking of comments from our Discord. We do have one for this week. I went ahead and asked if anyone had any questions or comments put into the podcast today and C3PO did not fail. She went ahead and asked us how do you as Minecraft and creators deal with burnout and lacking motivation. I find major update announcement. I start to like motivation to keep playing that's that's very recognizable as two people who went an entire month without playing. Yes. I think it's even longer for me at this point or at least playing on the Ripple server. Yeah. Yeah. That's boy. That's a good question. I mean in any map you sort of walk into that, right, especially when I'm upset long for a while over and we must not my chick tivity. It gets it gets hard. Yes. To keep going. I remember last map. I started creating Gus. We gotta the player had split again at some point or not to play around to play again, but the mopeds plug-in thingy and I started creating and collecting like a museum for that that that sort of helped. I'd say YouTube definitely helps keep motivating although. Yeah. Not sure what happened to last few months for me. YouTube was a big motivation for me. Like I would have stopped in a lot of maps way earlier if I wasn't doing YouTube and just because you know, I don't know you're not just creating it for yourself. Sorry. Only chance sent me messages it distract me. I mean distracted the podcast I had the same issue. Yeah, so don't do well maybe do what I did I make If you keep staying in me anyways, so this past month, I literally just let myself burnout Omni. I'm going to stab you with a pin you crazy. Walrus. Well, if you're my keyboard, I have responded to help need to gift of some some peace and quiet. All right, did you do dude? I really need to mute that Discord Channel. But so I lit the candle just burn all the way out and It's I think it was for the best. I often tried to push through it maybe by like coming up with a side story that gives me new creative abilities, maybe switch from a medieval design to a modern design or from a modern design to a Victorian design stuff like that. So you could always change your building style and that's one way to do it. Other ideas would be take a short burnout break and play a different game. I know one point earlier in the year. I was playing a ton of breath of the wild which I still haven't beat. You guys need to make me sit down and actually finish that game. I got all the DLC for it and I'm like in the middle of the DLC. So yeah, and I really like those dreams. Yeah. Yeah. I know I won't be playing it myself. So I don't mind watching it either that sort of gives me still way to play it I guess. Yeah, I bet it all set up. I can do the stream for it. Yeah, I just haven't I don't know why I think it's cool. I was stuck on a hard part of the DLC. So you only have like half a heart. So basically the monster sneezes on you and you die. But at the same time you have a weapon, that's a one hit kill. Hmm. But when you use it, you have to wait five minutes before it charges up again wouldn't streaming sort of help you get through that. I mean, it sounds a bit tedious to get through that sort of tedius bar. Yeah. Well, that's why I hadn't streamed it because it was a tedious thing and I didn't want people to just see me rage over and over again. But the more I think about it that seems to be what Everyone likes to watch me do is just constantly rage that can be funny. Yeah don't like raging in front of people but it seems like that's every time I open golf it somebody in the chat just a yeast he's going to scream and His mouth. I just keep laughing that you even care like that. That's the funniest part to me. Yeah, I'll bring the Tang Shi where the ball lands and I have determined it is my mouse. So when I'm scrolling around on my screens hmm, I can see it jump. Okay, so there is something in my mouse which stinks because I really like this Logitech mouse, but it's definitely not a good pets for coffee. But I sometimes have that and then there's a little hair in front of the what is it. These are things that you know on the Baltimore the truckball used to be. Yeah, I'm time ago. I thought that was it. So I cleaned it up really well and it still does it any chance just like I don't know if that's even a course but gonna be like grease stains on there from touching it may be oh or maybe you're underground. I used it you tip and I'm rubbing alcohol to clean it. Oh, yeah, that shouldn't be an issue know I could probably set up a profile to play golf it with my controller. Hmm But that's so much work for a game. I just scream at anyways, yeah. Yeah, I get that especially since you have a lot of control boys shoes. Anyway, yeah, so tangents and all. Yeah, there's just several different ways to handle burnout, especially when their announcement but 115 such a small update. I don't really feel like oh my God, I can't wait for 115. It's kind of like, okay, whatever 1.13 was a good example of it though. Like that's the build-up to 1.13 like everybody knew like everybody's Maps was going to reset because how are you going to continue that big of a change which upset me so bad because I had the perfect base for 113 in 112. Yeah. I had a I had a really cool bass. Yeah, you had the perfect base for 1.13. Yeah, like was it that I live and was nice for it though that it really was if I had to do anything over again, it would be going back to that island and doing more work to finish it. Hmm. I still like I think I literally only had to like 10 minutes and I would have gotten the old the special hidden all Cheeseman thing anyone with all the effects and I was just so burned out that I even couldn't get that. So many more that's what human I've ever done. I literally set it up. Like if you go to that map, I think if you go to the spot, you can just get it pretty much immediately. Well in Psych with every update it gets harder and harder to do because they keep adding effects. Yeah, they added a lot of effect since then not sure if the dolphin one counts and stuff, but that's gonna make things hot. Yeah, that's going to make things hard. Yeah, I think pixel riff in his Minecraft Survival Guide has done it in 114 and he said it took a while to get it even set up and ready to go. And then yeah trying it it took him a couple times. Yeah, because she doesn't like I remember looking into like okay. When what order do I got to get the effect go some effects only last for a few seconds. Yeah, like he was to the point where he didn't want to use splash potions because there was a chance that it wouldn't hit. Perfectly and it would give a shortened effect. So he didn't want to take that chance sometimes. Yeah, I brew potions so I could drink them but like as if they could be eight minutes I made sure they were eight minutes because I needed all the time. Basically. Yeah. There you go. That's how you avoid burnout do the extremely hard achievements. Yeah, do some weird stuff. Yeah achievements is definitely one. I mean, there's a lot of challenges of all like people pose. Most challenges like I would try and do this. Yeah, you can look into those. I've never done many myself. I don't think I've done I need myself, but I haven't either I'm always so far behind and building my base that there's always something to work on. Hmm. Well, I guess trying different way of Minecraft. That's kind of what I've been doing. I've been trying like speedrunning it. I guess that sort of helps you still keep playing Minecraft. Do you know how much that matters? I don't know. It's just a different way of looking at the game. Yeah. But I think that's kind of it for the listener comments. Yeah, so the main topic I guess yeah. Do you want to announce what we're doing or should I do it? Sure go ahead because I don't know how to say it. But like me, okay. So we've been talking about this for a while. We've been wanting to do a secondary podcast that really has nothing to do with this podcast and we've gotten a few feedback saying yeah do it. Everything like that. Well this week it just so happened that we didn't really have a good topic that we wanted to talk about. We have a couple topics but we feel that they would be better for a later date. So this week we're kind of going to try out the secondary podcasts a little bit where we just kind of talked about pop culture or just anything else that's kind of happened in our lives. That's why we've kind of been okay going off on a tangent leading up to this point. It's like because it's a preview of what this other podcast could be. And it's kind of a great time to at least try it out. I promise if you guys don't like it, we won't do it again on the weathering effect, but we wanted to give you guys a first-hand experience of this is us talking about random stuff. Obviously, you wouldn't do it for an hour. I Dorothy we know we planned on like maybe a 30 to 45 minute podcast. Yeah, just talk about well random stuff ready? Yeah, like you had said you had watched some movies this week would you watch Yeah. Yeah, I actually did what you move you and I was kind of excited for it. Let's Escape length 3 never heard of it. So you haven't okay. So Escape Plan. Well all three of them there by Sylvester Stallone Stallone. Okay. He's I'm going to explain this so badly probably but he's kind of a he breaks out of prison. It's for a living to sort of show flaws and stuff in the security systems. And then obviously there are some really shady people who have like background and known presents like, you know, and then he sort of gets trapped in DOS and eat. He's not in a safe environment anymore. Like they basically actually trap to do because they don't like him for some reason probably because he goes money or something and then yeah, so the person's he gets into a Be cool, like they're actually it's like how do you get out of that? That's kind of interesting. The third one was kind of a big disappointment to me though. I would have won't spoil anything of it, but it definitely wasn't similar to the to the first to like the story continued for sure. Yeah. It was it was a it was a different kind of movie. Yeah, I could see we're making a movie about breaking out of a A prison multiple times could get a little heart like I was going to say it sounds like Prison Break the TV show. I don't know. If you've seen that. I haven't if you they want to watching prison stove like they were really like they like being in glass boxes. So obviously the human rights were all the table like you I really was like how our food you escape from there. Like there's no way. And then they obviously well, it's Sylvester Stallone. So crazy plans is going to come up obviously. Oh, yeah for sure a lot of violence action and stuff. Yeah. I kind of like the first two although he even I'm not really into those action movies usually yeah, it's fun. Although not the last one. I really recommend it. I actually watch two movies this week. Okay, I'll talk about the one I actually really liked it was Chris Evans deter directorial debut with before we go. I may have mentioned this to you. Yeah, you mentioned before before we go to me actually wrote that down. Yeah, I really liked it didn't watching him. It's advertised as a romance movie, but it's really not I don't want to say too much without giving it away, but it's a very nice chill just Pleasant movie. It doesn't fall into a genre critique or anything. Like that and I really liked his camera work. That's what really kind of hit it off for me. I think what I think Chris Evans and Alice Eve are great actors in their own, right but the camera angles and the scenery because it takes place in New York City at night was just beautiful to watch. So I really like that movie and the fact that I was like, oh great. It's just a random Romance movie and I'm too lazy to change the channel. Whatever and then I got hooked on it and I was like, well, this is actually a pretty good story with two great actors and great scenery. Yeah. I really enjoyed myself. That's that's pretty cool. Although the Sheamus that sort of in the middle of their it something happened if connection stuff. Yeah, you've been going in and out of you. I've just been hoping that audacity still working. I guess. I mean it went fine. Those are that's been a few weeks already that that happened. Yeah. Well, we forgot to actually get it in a chat room to we're still just in a call and it sounds like wouldn't work in a call. It struggles a little bit. Yeah, so I recommend before we go. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it helps that you already sort of recommended it earlier to me this week. Yeah Theory I already had a little explanation of it. Well, what's the other movie you watched or they try to talk about that as well miss tight? No. This one was Legend of Tarzan. I woke a like literally at midnight last night. Is that like a newer version of it? You really like your version is starting Margot, Robbie and Alexander, Skarsgard. His real nose from really hard to pronounce but it would I won't say I didn't like it because I did like it. No, but it kind of left a little bit to be desired. It's definitely you need to watch a guy punch a grill in the face. Guess what? He's your guy and he played the role of Tarzan very well, but the CG was just a little bit lacking so you could tell when it was a Person and when it wasn't ooh, right, which is kind of my big eye you get so used to like the Marvel Cinematic Universe that just throws money at CG guys and make it as close to perfect as possible. And then like you go to that course this movie is a couple of years old so that could also be part of it. Yeah, but decent story it's got what's his name Christopher Waltz. I think his name playing the bad guy and he's He's a great act like you. Yeah, I love that guy. Yeah, it's great. I have a sexy fun, but I'm sorry kind of all it was I was actually curious. How did they do that animals where they like real animals. I'm gonna guess they were cg.o they all had to be CG because like he's going up in like rubbing his head on a lion. Okay. I mean, yeah, you could tell all the gorillas were CG for sure because the hair follicles did not look right at all. So I'm not sure if you In Mowgli, I haven't seen it but I've seen parts of it. That was like the animals looked quite good to me. I have to say but you could see really clear that they were like CGI. Yeah. I haven't seen it yet. Okay, so you don't know if it will be similar or not? Yeah, we'll see. I have a rule that I normally don't watch stuff where I know it's going to have a ton of CG animals in it because it's just so hard to do correctly. I agree. That's one of the reasons I like the older Star Wars movies because when they do the aliens and stuff, you can tell it's physical prosthesis and costumes and you can't really digitalize it. Yeah, that's why I like some some. Nation movers really well because they use like the technology and make the really cool stuff but it's within like the same place like everything is that style? So it's all it makes us. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's pretty cool Legend of Tarzan. I didn't even know they how many versions of that are. Then I lie. I don't know if I had a rated I'd give it a 4 out of 5. It has like I'm not saying it's a bad pretty not worth watching. But it wasn't my exact cup of tea grenade. I'm a MCU nut and I watch all the Marvel movies as it is, but to me when you watch 23 of them you start to find like hidden story lines that I think are really cool kind of like you haven't watched a lot of the MCU stuff have you I want to say we know I haven't I did watch DEATH bull, although I'm not sure which Which friends site whatever it's part of Not Innocent. Well, he wasn't he probably is now like I have a feeling they're going to bring him into the MCU. But all right his first two movies weren't and then I like green men. Turn. I mean, it's mostly the actor, right? I like his humor that helps for the rest. Well, like I said earlier, I'm not that big on like action doesn't sell for me just Right. I didn't like John Wick that much. For example, it's like right and it's just gum Foo man gun food. I mean it was all right, but I was I was really disappointed by the end makes me like just tell me first one. Yeah, I mean you don't see this guy the whole movie is about getting revenge on that one guy and then he like kills everyone and every possible cool. Way and then the last guy he just kind of shoots in the face. It's like dude, that should have been the coolest kill of all and you made it the most boring one. Well, he did let go hand to hand combat with his dad. Whatever Corson that's that's where the movie kind of hurt me a little bit because I go. All right one. I understand Keanu Reeves is not a young Sprout anymore. But that guy is really old compared to counter Reeves and should easily just pick that guy up and throw him off the cliff. Well, I mean to be fair. I was the same with like Sylvester Stallone. Yeah. That's true. I mean the guy is well in this 70s. Yes, like yeah, you don't beat down the guy in a stirred. He's like, yeah your know. Yeah, John Wick when I watched it. I really liked it and my biggest complaint coming out of it was the stories week, but the action was great and the character was great. So I was like when they come up with the second one or if they come on a second as long as they upgrade the story. It'll be a win in my book and they did that. They sunk everything they had basically into the lore of that movie. So I got extremely excited. I really liked it. The action didn't feel as good as it did in the first one and maybe that's because they were doing bigger set pieces, but it all around it was an upgraded movie for me. And then the third one came out and yeah, that's not even too long ago. Is it? No, I think it came out this this summer and it disappointed me more than anything. Holy cow, and I loved those movies. I was sitting there to me the story felt like it took a huge downgrade and it just kind of became how can we get from one action set piece to the next action set piece and how could we make that action set piece bigger than the last one basically what Fast and the Furious has been doing for like the last nine movies and it's like yeah, they kind of lost me. I think I'd like the for something as well. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that they have the gonna different movies and all the I don't know at some point. I've seen enough of it, I guess. Yeah. So yeah, if I were to put the first John wake at a seven point five out of ten I would put the second one at like an eight point nine out of ten and then I would put the third one as like a 6.0 out of 10. No, that's kind of how I feel freaking it now. Oh, you didn't hear what I've rated literally like I have to first one and then I was really interested for the second one because it was like, oh, I might actually watch that and it didn't hear your number. I just heard nothing out of 10 just like know so the third one I said 6.0 at a 10. Okay and II 18.9. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I mean I'll give it a go. I guess sure why not. Yeah, it's definitely worth it if you have nothing else to do. Yeah, you said the story was that are right. Yes, please. Yeah, so that should be appealing to me. I guess the really bright spots to me. I the third one was Halle Berry. I was worried about her coming into it. She held her own. It was very good. I enjoyed her Parts a lot. But other than that there really wasn't much I liked and the third one. Okay, I mean, yeah, it's always hard right don't dirty movies. Always Kinda Yeah. Yeah, kind of. See sighs I don't think there's many many turqu movie Step that do really well. Now you guys let us know what's a Trilogy or whatever that ended better on the third movie than it did the first two because I can't really think of one. I can name Smite movies where the second one was better, but not the third I think in the end of Jones, but oh, yeah, just like I like them all equally. I guess and tell me which I mean it's not that's that's the first one, isn't it? That's the second one Raiders of the Lost Ark is the first one? Oh and then the Quest for the Audi Grohl grows the third one? Yes. Oh Dan. I actually do like the turtle most. Hey, Sean Connery. That's what yeah for you. It might actually be the case. I also I also really like the that whole tomb that you know, the end part where he goes through that whole trap trap door course, basically, huh. I really like that. I think that's a cool. Well the whole Temple is kind of cool but also that part our egos true and with this book and stuff, I like that. Yeah, I can't we just although when I was a child, I was really young when I watched him first and I always jump behind the couch when When two dudes sort of when old if you know what I mean, when he drank. Yeah, I always crawl behind the couch and I made my brother's tell me when it was over that freaked me out so much. Yeah, I had the same thing. So I'm watching Raiders of the Lost Ark with my Aunt Bev and cousin Kelly and this is was just after they introduced me to Star Wars. So I was like on a high nice. Yes a like if you like Star Wars you're going to Love Raiders of the Lost Ark so I said, okay and then like so Han Solo's in this one. He plays Indiana Jones. I went awesome and then you get the first scene where the Boulder and everything and I'm just at work. Ooh little kid jumping up and down heck. Yeah and you get to the end where like the faces melt and I'm just sitting there mouth and gape crying - going what the heck just happened. I can't even remember the first time so I saw that we just grew up with like Jones and Star Wars like yeah, as far as I know those were like this sakes VHS tapes we have yeah, everyone has seen those and if you have it you better I mean, I'm not gonna say people have to watch it the it was I'm glad I grew up then to watch those movies all the time. That was awesome. Yeah, if you have to watch one Indiana Jones, it's got to be Raiders of the Lost Ark and if you watch One Star Wars, it's got to be Empire Strikes Back. Star Wars, I definitely got all those three episodes mix to eat into each other. It's been a long time since I actually watched those see which stomach happy my sister usually do I think we had this conversation last? Yeah my sister and I usually do like a marathon of them like once every other year or something like that. I think we lost Bank. Bank he may be talking and I just can't hear because it Discord but hey there. Yeah, it's not doing well. Should we switch to I don't know. This is a long one. Dude, you're like cutting out so bad on my end. This is it getting fixed now barely barely. It's it's having trouble today. Yeah, I was going to say we're at a point where we might want to go ahead and end it before it goes too much worse. Exactly. Now, it's still manageable. Yeah, if we're going to have a lot of editing but you want to go ahead and sign us out so I can get started on this. So Carl doesn't have to worry about too much of it. Yeah a little look at out of here. And if you like the show as always share it with your friends and social. Leave us a rating and review that really helps us reach my listeners. If you'd like to get into contact with the show send an email to podcasts that ripple effect that some p.com three toes are always the best thing Journal discard and have a chat with us. It's an easy way to get into contact links will be in the show notes. Yeah. 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I have a concussion. Hello everyone. I'm kicking ass all over the It's true. Well, welcome everybody. We're so happy to get into this week's Arrow episode. I am you have used a leak on a Bradford joined by some pretty darn amazing co-hosts that are equally fantastic. Oh, yeah. It's okay. She just hit me and I said that hey everybody. I'm a mom. I'm so happy to be here totally. Hi guys, and I'm karolina benetti with gang's all here full panel today. And go ahead and yeah, you are here as well join us with us. So all you have to do is jump into the live chat it okay. There we go. And if you can't stay up late with us, it's okay. You just leave comments below we accept those as well or find us on social media and hashtag everything a BT B Arrow now. Let's start with the most important topic hashtag who I love to hate. Yes. I cannot be first. I mean, I'll go first and I want to say quick. Shout out to the chat you guys there are so many of you in here. I mean, it's all The Usual Suspects archers Ali. Hey Grayson Ryan. I know how to say your name now blob nine-eight-nine Ivan Soto. Hi husband is back. Fantastic Family Adventures. Hello. I don't know if I've known you before. Okay, Michael Blake. Make so many people so welcome to the chat. I'll be on it all night. So say hello who I love to hate. Lyla, I mean, I mean it's the obvious choice I think episode she just like you're letting everybody down especially your husband and that last scene was just like oh we all screamed a little bit. So yeah, that's my who I love to hate. Karolina for the first time in five years. I don't have one. I loved everyone so much and I felt like everyone had a role to fulfill and nobody got on my nerves. I loved everyone's performance. I loved everyone's role. And I felt like nobody was really out of place. I wrote like brought ba question mark But to be honest, that's what we expect of the Bravo. I like that's just who they are. So I can't hate them. I just felt like it was such a great well-rounded episode. So shout out to derogate Hughes and been robbed who this is their very last episode of the series. They've ever written. Um, I actually wrote that I wrote that down to just because I wanted it was a very well written at but it was And and also what a way to go out Derek man, you guys should follow dad - Derek's my buddy. You guys should follow him on Instagram. He's the black and he's he's awesome. He posts a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff. So you might really like it, but he just got back from Vancouver to night. So he came back tonight. He said this is his last episode. He really hopes everybody loves it and I loved it so much. I didn't even find somebody to dislike. Yeah. All right you go ahead man, no pressure. I know that I was easy now that I think about it who I love to hate pina colada. I just don't think a coladas. They taste like suntan lotion. Zammis know they take it tastes like suntan and that's what I have because I really wanted to say Lila because she's so out of line. So I don't know I mean I don't know each other drinking Russia by now. We literally don't think of like pina coladas in Russia. I think it's like pina coladas in the Caribbean. He's explaining to the public like it was well written that the the putting it in was riding was hilarious. I just don't like to drink what so what is it Lila that you hate Lila and then I'll just say I don't know the tennis balls at rolled away. All right. No, there wasn't. Everyone in the chat is saying Lila and that's about it. Yeah, Lila's so fine. Yeah Lila, but she's so fine. I forgive her says JJ o OJ J table nine eight. Nine says who I love to hate Roy's bloodlust, but it's kind of like, I don't know. It's kind of hot. Yeah saying he gets like all into it gets me mad. How did you like the shirtless? Bratva men? They were TENS for me. I enjoy it. Brandon I enjoyed them and I just want to say by the way literally I had the worst food poisoning my life because nothing would have kept me from shirtless diggle last week, but my gosh exactly his arms can be National Monument. I would climb them. Anyway. Yes, you would anyway, how about America is America's ass and what you're saying? Yes bless them. We can start building. Using a super zombie soldier out of them. It's true. I'm here for it. Well, anyway, I'm here for Mia and all her training that she was doing with Oliver. I really really really enjoyed father and daughter bonding. I've always thought she's pretty Kick-Ass and every time I see her each episode, I love her just a little bit more. Yeah. She's very very likeable and I think we got to see a different side of Mia this episode where it's she's finally connected with her dad. And so it was in that scene. Oliver and her had it was it didn't seem like very tried and it didn't seem like she was wining it seem like she's legitimately was like, I love my brother. I wish I would have known him more, you know, and so we get to see that like she's digging this family thing. Yeah at the beginning at the beginning with with her. I've always like yeah, she's a little bit whiny, you know, she's like not my favorite. But yeah, she's a little bit emo a little bit sad and just like me, but she really stepped it up this episode. Yeah, like you said like I really felt for her and I loved her like Kick-Ass. So good for me that I was obsessed with Mia this episode. I loved when they made her fight to ring the bell because I was like just right girl show him what you got show him what you got because we did meet her in a fight club and like a dark dank basement kicking. But yeah, it was really cool. But what really got my heart racing is when she got to do the scene with Oliver and they got to kick but in fact I even said it while we were watching it. I was like, I wish they wouldn't just stop this fight like just let Dave balderrama go Balls to the wall on it. Like I just wanted more of them fighting side-by-side more like synchronized fighting because I was so excited to see it because both of them learned from the all ghouls. So there, you know, we you know, so I was really excited to see that and I want did anybody did anybody want them to play the song You Can Ring My Bell whenever I was like, okay, I just got out of a hardcore fight would have been camping and fun DMX Get on the floor. That would make a little more sense. Okay, but sometimes you know you I don't know whatever I will say though the knife got me a little scared because home girl on the side. I don't know her name. I don't think they gave us her name, but she was one that was taking the bets and let them into the ring. Oh, yeah, we're gonna help Carol. Okay, Carol. Well, first of all, I think in apparel wide Karen I don't care about is doing a rip off my name like I would be there sad without a name honestly. I just thought of Florence Henderson and I loved her. Oh anyway, well either way I was a little ticked. Okay, hashtag who I love to hate William Karen. Wait what? Yeah, he was all like no and he's just like Those six out of his ass like hey, how about they are yeah, six people that excuse you because you're not even the one in there. I love it. She was like we don't need to set records tonight. And I love that all I was just dead silent the whole time like Mikey that's because gay people can improvise and have to get it done. That's true. We just have to do it Ivan. So don't calls her Russian Barbie. We're going to call her up and she hands it to one of the guys. So I really thought that I meant something like he was significant, but it never really did know. He's just a dirty fight. Well, yeah, but I mean I thought it was going to be used like I really thought Mia was gonna get stabbed to be honest. I do one of these little bit know that she was so adamant about being there and Oliver was so against it because he just felt like he wanted to keep her safe and I was like you guys don't like don't get her style me. I just knew it wasn't gonna happen because I was like, nothing life-threatening is going to happen to me because she has a show coming set in 2040. So obviously Yeah, because Oliver would have gone like Hulk. Yeah, I see if she got stabbed which would have also been cool or he would have gone into like Father bird like mode where he's just like so hovering over her to like protect her. I don't think that's all about I think it's the one sadness daughter here. Did you go crazy turn green and massive wouldn't go crazy. Whatever bloodlust been way crazier. Now that his kids are there. He's like go home. Don't go home. Okay this whole entire season and maybe it does have to do a little bit with bringing his own personal emotion to the character. I put the entire season so far. He seemed so sad from his posture to his face to his delivery of his lines obviously intentionally, so but everything is so sad and somber with him and I know that he was saying in an interview that every time they finish an episode. It's always a wrap for some character that's been with them for a long time. So hearing that every episode he gets really emotional. He's like, I think I'll even teach It's just about every single time somebody's called as a wrap. So imagine that feeling and then going into these scenes and you know, I can't imagine mean it's gonna it's gonna die. It's kind of depressing very if I mean it's done they were wrapped completely. No, but I mean, he's gonna hang that the character knows he's gonna die, right? Yeah, so he's or things he knows he's going to die. And so he's also trying to spend as much, you know, keep his kids alive and like see them to the end or whatever and spend as much time as you can with them. So right. Yeah, it's like All very very sad for him having y'all. Well, you know who I hashtag really love just because I love and I totally oh my god, I've always really liked me too. Even when he went on to the bad side, then I hash I love to hate him but it doesn't kind of loved him usually is bad. Great. Yeah, he's great. He's a great actor. They have great chemistry together. Yes, and he's funny like so so in a serious way Vaughn I love that the end when he was like I love being fun Uncle. Yeah, wait really, you know, I I love it when when Riders and I'll sit just enjoy and show they they help you kind of discover things that you went. Oh that was always there but I never realized that I never discovered it in this way because it's like and what I loved is that really if you think of I know Anatoly said brother, but almost like it was Anatoly almost has been kind of like a father figure. Oh, yeah. To ever and I never thought of it in that way but then in seeing the parallel now with all of her actually being a father and him saying that I went this is so perfect and fitting that he's the one experiencing this with Oliver now and and I think you could tell at least for me. It seemed like Stephen Amell was emotional in that scene because that is probably the last time he's ever going to work with that actor. Right and it was just it was on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it was great. Well done. Yeah that He will be asked that last scene was kind of it was really beautiful for me because he was standing in Russia in that room all by himself in the camera like pans away and you know that that's the last I was just thinking about it this way. I was like, this is the last moment that he has on Arrow and this is the last scene that he's going to see and it's just like him standing in a room all by himself and I was like, that's so sad, you know because I don't because it totally yeah because we have we've had him for so long like right been in so many seasons. We've seen him, you know throughout the years and it's like It's going to be so hard seeing like character after character that we love just like Disappear by by like quit checking them off the let's bring off to bring on a character. That isn't disappearing that's been long gone. It was really nice to get really back. It wasn't but I feel like recently anytime we have Roy then we don't have the the it comes back. Yeah, so can we just I think prices were hopefully God, I hope so I would imagine crisis and then they hold hands and run off into the sunset. I would love that. I feel like I was thinking more like Bonnie and Clyde like in a car like okay, I feel like one of them I died. Yeah. Yeah. Well more people going to diet and Oliver y'all. It's not gonna just be like yeah on the island so not here ya know him, but we haven't seen Theon the future nor heard about her. It doesn't mean she's not there because she was running the league. So that's true. That's true. You know, she's probably busy. There's someone here to dial it. Is right up there with Felicity for us. I know no I love to you too. Not enough. I just want to talk about Anatoly. I just wanted to talk about him. Oh, I'm sorry. No, he was so much in this episode. How can we possibly be done? I like the fact that his instincts picked up on Laurel not being all the way with the team. He's very smart. He like has been around the block but he didn't do it in a way to where he accused. Exactly. He just let her know in his own little medicomp. You do I clock. Yeah, and then at the end it was really nice for him to and I don't know what his gut feeling was but for him to pull her aside and say hey and maybe he just knew she was on that Verge, but birds can change their feathers. Yeah, and I think that's like cemented in Laurels decision to be like, I am not going to mess with Lila. That was one of my favorite scenes right before that were he backtracked? That was when he saved her. Yeah. Yeah, and I have your yeah. He said you said watch back. Yeah, and it was fantastic because I feel like that also that moment besides him being like I acknowledge you and I see that you have changed because everyone's been like you haven't changed you haven't really changed you haven't liked and it's hard to believe in yourself when you're struggling when other people around you don't believe in you and you're trying so hard. So Anatole who is like a father figure to so many people on the team. He just kind of takes on that aura for them in like they're fighting heroic Community, which he even says he father's Oliver and this one where he's like your children are strong if you don't believe in them, how can they be heroes? Yeah, you know, I should what he did with Oliver exactly what he did with Oliver and then he did the same thing with Laurel only thing I have your back and he was like, I was wrong. He's like maybe I really have changed like you said like you can't change her spots or well well in your case feathers, I feel like everything that he did was such a like parenting Milestone. So again kudos to the writers for like hailing it all back and tie it all together and you're right. I do feel like it's done like black siren is Black Canary. She's good now like it's with the bed. Yeah, they can't change right now. And so but I mean like in a good settle. I wasn't there a pivotal moment when she thought she was up the creek without a paddle and she he saved her and he said you said why? Your back like he was letting her know your ride or die on the team now and this is your team and we've got you well also too. I think it was really helpful for me to reinforce in the future. You're the Black Canary that saves me and she's like are you sure about that? And I was like no no no. Yeah. I love that Mia is also there to let her know like you become a hero. You are a hero. Yeah. I think that was definitely a huge point. I changed it money and did it and switch such an act like a teenager attitude that only teenagers can have and she's like, don't be humble. Yeah. It wasn't a scene of like you're like super duper - okay dropped in you saved me you bounce I get it. You're a badass. Okay, you're great super fighter. He's said it was so much like angsty. Yes that teenage like just like proud rage that they have when they're like proud of you, but they kind of hate you Brandon in the chat says I want to seen in crisis where Earth One Laurel tells Earth tool or alive. Watching you and I'm happy for you Laura. Oh, that would be nice maybe start with one's dead. I know but it would be a nice that I would be nice like kind of like ghosts or something. Yeah, like Patrick Swayze. I'm glad he's dead. We're gonna do what are we gonna do with like a pottery scene to she yeah. She's like, what was the song that plays during ordinary love knot? This is a pre-emptive prediction. This is Crisis infinity or it's just going to be Laurel on Laurel Pottery watery Pottery Barn Lampard Furniture Store guys. It has a very important message for all of our friends at home. Y'all I want to talk to you about Dairy and gluten. No kidding. I want to talk to you about why we love you so much and why we get excited when we all get to here together because we do this show because we're true fans and you're here because your true fans and the reason we're all here is because we're on AfterBuzz TV and after PCV is you know, zsp and a TV talk and the way you can keep us going. It's just hit the little subscribe button at the bottom of your screen. And if you're listening to the podcast, please go to Apple podcast give us five stars and say keep on turkey calling people whatever just write something wet means so much to us. We love this show we could not be here without you. So please if you're a new subscriber in the chat. Hey say in the comments say hey, I'm new Olivia. I'm new and will try to shut you out and thank you again for making ESPN are after us ESPN TV. At the end a little bit how you know, I know it was so good. We're going over shot and ya blew it. You did a fantastic job Matt. You're about to get like two years ago Giggles arm. We haven't even gotten one Matt, chill. So we're good. Thank you. Well, it's time to get to our co-host at home listening right now watching and see what you guys have to say just a couple of things back to the The Earth One Laurel Ivan says Earth One lower will be appearing in crisis. So you never know. She will that's what he said husband does everything and then Billie Jean girl said she pictured it in her head in her head and it was amazing the Laurel on Laurel Pottery Barn pottery wheel Pottery Barn and the what is going on. And then Grayson Ryan says I hope we get more William in the spin-off to yeah, he's in it and then archers Ali says hashtag that so Arrow. I sang that so arrow is William in the spin-off. I hope so. I'm yeah. Yeah, he's a brother to me. And by the way, y'all stay tuned for AfterBuzz new because we have some news about the spin all of us who news it's like shoulder action. Oh fantastic Family Adventures. Not new, but I'm not usually watching live so welcome to the life. We also love everybody during the week. I try and find them everybody who can't watch live I go in the chat window all day. You guys are so good. I just don't want anybody to feel left out because I know that we are really really late. Yeah the early for some people depending on where they're at. So, you know what you guys really yeah. We are here in Ireland and Quite darling. We're at the top of the market. Well, you know, I'm a big shout out to Billie Jean girl because she found me on Instagram and let me know that you found me and I was like Hey cry. Oh, thank you falling back to you happens when you find it. It's true. 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Dive into that because the conversation that she had with Laurel in the beginning. I was like that was good. Okay and her talking about the fact that like this is so much bigger and blah blah. I'm like be get the hell out of here so much bigger than you can't be honest with people. I protect him but it was it was this is the first time I really thought because Black Canary said it she was like dang what has he got on you? And I know what does he have on Lila that but it has Y'all start like while I love all people in the cast like she's such like the random one you choose to be this person. You know what? I mean? Like, I don't think she's my Dependable. Yeah, maybe maybe I literally kill her. I think that she probably will die. I agree. You're right. I want you to haven't mentioned her in the future episodes at all, but there's been no mention of like Mom will be disappointed. Yeah. It's all been Dad Dad Dad. So maybe she did. I'm wondering like what? Oh, wait. No because the mistake What if like she's doing this because like the monitor says I don't know like if you help me then I'll change the events and you have a daughter like you had before or I'll I don't think so because she's always had a son. Yeah, she's always yeah. Wait, did they tell her that she used to have a daughter? I know that you know, they do I know diggle knows but single Nyla know is because diggle no doesn't mean he shared with other. They're not the best at communicating the men on the show. That's okay. Always always I Allen right you're naked it community. No diggle does not jiggle jiggle jiggle. Okay. He killed his brother. Brandon says really quickly. Like I made a mistake. She should have explained it to diggle because she'd he should have she should have explained to diggle was going on. He would have listened very very true very get for keeping secrets and I like the fact that Laurel also made the comment about so who here really is the bad because I know I was but obviously I I'm not and the fact that Lila tried to wave it in her face that you know, you're willing to give up bringing back your Earth. And then I was like, you know at this point I'm happy with who I am now. Well Mike City she has to like betray the people that have built her up. And what kind of person is she going back to I love it. She was like if it means like sacrificing who I am for who I was then it's not worth it. Yeah, like I feel like she's finally learned that if it is possible, there is another way right and I think she's really Embracing her team as her team. They've taken the chance on her. They've trusted her they welcomed her and they didn't have to because again she does come from a really bad past. So for her to betray them just defeats every progress. She's ever made. Yeah. Yeah, finally at a place where she doesn't want to lose that progress, you know, I feel like before the darkness tugged at her so strongly and now she's it's doesn't it's not a siren Call for her. But she doesn't use a lot every notice. Yeah. She didn't you say she used it once this episode budget budget because it's not just the sound we get those little like bubble. Yeah. Totally do that for them though. Girl were here. It came out so improvised that I don't have it down. So when I try to recreate it over and if you can't do it on you can visualize the Rings in the air. Okay, because that's what oh, God. Please be prepared you guys. I'm sorry. I had a time. Here we go. I might have shattered some glass and a few eardrums, but there you go. Hashtag turkey cry going strong. I'm like you die. Thanksgiving is around the corner. You just really give me a new picture of Thanksgiving when you do your turkey cry. I thought you carve your turkey big guys Ivan says. Turkey call will stop the anti-monitor, right? And then Xavier says what in the blue tarnation's. Oh welcome. There was a lot of turkey crude. Yeah. Yeah peoples in the air when they cried so that's the full version did it and we all actually fell out of our chairs and now it is just a leak. Oh now thing I'm actually going to put that on your gravestone one day. Yeah, you like a not like, you know, when you do a voice notes and it gives you the like yeah, that's what it's going to it's just like going to be a Lakota Bradford and then the automobile signals. Yeah. I don't want people like match it up. It'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah, true some anyway, he'll Greg berlanti that I need. My own show that's true. It's true. Captain's here for turkey Captain turkey. I'm here. Yeah, you know, I feel like we covered a lot this episode. Yeah this point we did Cover a lot. I do what I might have one thing that I thought was it wasn't something I wanted but I want to talk about something that I thought was a big problem in the episode. Let's talk about and I loved the writing for the most part but I feel like this was just like such an oversight and I was kind of shocked so okay, so I call Is going in and he's doing that by the first time why the hell is he wearing a shirt? I'm going to should be shirtless because season 1 Green Arrow would have fought with the shirt off knots and I'm not saying that to be cinches or sexual I'm saying that for just continuity and continuity. It just makes sense that's been riding agree. Yeah bad Direction. You know what I want to say. It's true. I just want to give a shout out to Laura Bell. See who was Was the director and who should a shirt off? Well, I seem to keep his shirt. We have not seen the salmon ladder. Oh, yeah. Well, he posted an Instagram of his daughter on my song got all like emotional. But it's windy. It's a night where wives we for this is a really tiny showing this if anybody else in the chat and feels like there should have been a shirtless Oliver. I'm at us. Yeah, they will let us know. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. You know, we talked a little bit about Roy in the fact we love him and we love that he is back was just dive in just a little bit to make who I blacked out. I was still thinking about Stephens ABS. Sorry. Yeah, right Jason. He's right. Diamond did the jiggle Roy storyline? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I have a little issue with that. Okay. So when diggle and Roy were walking through in their mission, they were just like chatting it up. It was very conversational like they're trying to be sneaky in this warehouse and try our like without an outdoor warehouse or whatever trying to take down this like whatever it was and they were just like so anyway, I just really wanted to get you back because you know, your blood loss is going to be gone and I just feel like you should come back and was like shut up like like be sneaky here. It was like So you want to ask Mike to lady is very conversation. That's what happens when you send in the B team. This is the least sneaky Mission I've ever seen right now, very least sneaky. I really like everybody's out the bunker let's go and they were like, so game night on Tuesday. Yeah. I know. What are we doing here? Do you think that they can hear us right now, but we're like probably badass enough to like kick there. But anyways, right, right. Yes. Okay, so you're gonna stay you're gonna say it wasn't well done thing though that I've died. I totes forgot that went. Oh, yeah, William totally went to lie and Lou you and found one forgot all about that solves. Wow, that was like the big opener for Laughs you to know what your future Flash Forward which we're not in now thank goodness, but it was but that was before they come to us, but I can't remember anything. So anyway, I was like, oh they plan that out. Yeah. I'm so I'm so happy that Roy's back like and and he was get he's like actually going to stick around to right right? That's awesome. I mean now that he knows that he's going to be around. I love that. He's like, well, I know I'm coming back. I'm in as well. Yeah delay it can we this is which kind of goes back wait. Sorry. It kind of goes back to episodes where everybody was like well now that we know this is happening in the future. You know, they were like, I'm going to be a better mayor now we're going to start the game now. We're going to stop bickering over Petty differences. Has and work together now so that we can change the future. So I almost feel like them knowing the future has made them better Heroes because they've come together more I think so. Yeah, it's help them be a little more hopeful. Yeah and Petty with yeah. I was thinking to like because we seem to have a lot of time and so I know we're because we kind of clap your electricity. Yeah, but no I want to know I we didn't talk about this but I feel like it could be good because there were so many good lines in this episode. So can we like maybe Go through what our favorite line. Yeah, so like I'm sure I have and yeah, I mean I have one I can go first, but but you have went to not be relying but He said may or may not have been on purpose. But you know when Oliver and me are in the fight in the fight club and it's getting down to it. And they're disappearing act was the smoke bombs. So the first time we ever saw those many seasons ago was from Merlin and I remember it was like this weird Malcolm Merlyn. Hmm, and there was he was as the Dark Archer and he's like this badass guy and then I don't know where he pulls out this like Fufu smoke bomb and he's like and disappears. It's like really and so it's just Little funny to see it again this episode and that was their escape like nothing cool. Nothing fancy. Let's like let's smoke pot makes sense because he had told her about the arrows and stuff before like are has come out of it. Where did they go Heaven? No, they were in a cage surrounded by people their magic. Okay, they're magicians. I'm just a just use the smoke fire and walked out. It's not like they were locked in the door was just close the trap door trap door. That's when I go ahead. What is your favorite line? My favorite line was what? Oh was just when William was like, oh, yeah, and I met me at the like the fight pit and Oliver goes he met you where yeah. It's a deadline of like you were doing why don't I didn't expect that line at all and props to Stephen and you know, I'm I hope whatever Stephen Amell does. I know he's done something with his brother, but I think he's actually doing a show for stars might be sex, too. I'm not going to pay for that. Come at me. Afraid but I think he's a funny comedic actor actually and we don't see that a lot with him. So it's nice to see those moments. I yeah. Yeah. Anyway, everybody else. I'll put you on the spot if you don't have a line. That's okay. I we've already kind of talked about them. I loved all the way I Tony anatoly's lines. Okay, and when he at the end when he was like I'm all be a fun uncle or whatever you asked that I was like, oh, he's so cute. It's not a line so much as an interaction and I underlined it. I really loved Black Canary's lashes siren and Mia's interaction that whole address great place. I really loved it. I like seeing them together. So I do hope that she ends up in the spin-off in the future. That'll be harnessed in and out. That'll be really great. They are they that's three canaries that'll be in the new dynamic in the future and that there are teasing us by showing us their chemistry now so that we tune in later. Can we also talk about A couple of fiery wind. So in the chat Ivan sodas favorite line is he's twice your size. So I'll give them half a chance. Now. That was a good one. Good one Grace Grayson. I'll say it right one day. He says I love Williams reaction to the suit. Oh, yeah, but how old is William? And how old is he? How is she drinking? That's what I said when they were drinking iced are in Russia. Yeah. They're in Russia. I mean everybody's sad. No offense to Russians, but I just don't really like drinking law. I don't know. Yeah, like a thing for them. Okay align that I like that's not really anything special but I like when they were discussing the meaning of Capuchin. Yes. Yeah and me is like, what does that mean? It offers like Hood. Yeah like her together. It's actually Hood in French to cabochon already heard in French fun fact of the day fun fast spelled differently. But yeah, but it said it's a nice. Oh, yeah. Anyways, I feel so worldly. I know how about that ending? I know the fact that someone other than Lila. Oh, what is it? She didn't die. Well, someone was behind her then. Well someone darted then someone on her team somewhat already started them. I was just more gagged that black satin was like Like well this is gonna be hard bitch because here they are but like that even more than when Zoey got killed because I kind of want maybe but this I was just like, whoa, I think because they only have ten episodes so like still has to happen, you know, because when it's 20 episodes, it's a little like a soap opera where you're like, okay, I get it. We're doing this again today. It was great. I love that. Bail bond it who do we think darted them? I seriously thought it was her. I mean maybe I was just taking notes at the time but I thought she's like no, I wouldn't we saw her. She was I would be surprised if she doesn't have like henchmen that she's like enlisted from her League of special. I mean is it Argos people she's ones are that she just tell our guests like shoot him up exactly. I would that's what I meant is like, you know, she runs our guests like that is her family. Well because she was probably planning on double-crossing Black Canary. I think she is and she came back up. She came with back up and when it turned out to be Oliver and her husband she was like, well, this is awkward. I guess it's you guys instead battambang. I just hope they don't what they're kind of doing with Lila is like I said, I think she's going to die and I think it's going to be like a little bit when all of her sister died. Like we're just like thank you his sister what Oliver's sister from last season. No one cares is alive exactly Cara cara de Amigos. They didn't develop her wall. Yeah, I love the show, but they don't give me a job. I did developing Amico like her rage did it was very misplaced by are you putting it on your brother? You nothing to do with it if you wanted Revenge? Okay, you took it on your dad is just not going to government anyways. Well guys it is that time karolina. Take it away archers Ali nice. Yeah good one that was gotta set a deathy. I know so I'm kicking it off with the cover Green Arrow volume to island of scars Rome and it features the beautiful black canary and because we had the canary Network that came into play last week. I wanted to bring this in from the comics that DC sent us which are fantastic and if we flip Do the pages this is quite the adventure that Oliver and Black Canary go on and you're welcome. I know it's animated Oliver, but he's shirtless for you. I mean he is shirtless for you. There's some waterfall actions. No Felicity. I hope that we get Oliver with a goatee this season. I just kind of want that. Yeah. It's so classic Green Arrow. I would I would adore that if they did not too late, but I did I did pick some of the nicer like more calm scenes but it is quite action-packed and they are going after quite a few bad guys and they are stuck on this. This island and that is very reminiscent of Lian Yu, so if you can get your your hands on a DC Universe DC Universe rebirth Green Arrow Volume 2, I think you will truly enjoy the action. They are by themselves on an island and it is just up to Black Canary and green arrow, which is one of my favorite pairings in the DC Universe. Yeah, I even love it and Justice League Unlimited they do an episode where the two of them go off on their own to investigate a crime that's been going on. It's part of like the Joker's crime syndicate ring. They were meant to be together. They are fantastic. You know, there was maybe a whole episode. I know everything there is an entire series now of comic books that are just direct reflections of the TV show. So you want to see Oliver and Felicity in comics you can I brought that in last week. We shouldn't Miss shirtless wiggle But yeah, this is a DC Universe rebirth Green Arrow. And first of all, I want to say that every single page is color and the animation and the inking is stunning. Actually it is so stunning. Yeah, I'll hold it up like Mary wears nice dresses. Yeah, it does wear nice dresses. Yeah. So if you're looking you can kind of see if you're watching on the podcast. I'm just flipping through and giving everyone a taste of what these Comics look. There is her actual Black Canary cry nearly as good as the turkey crybaby. Yeah, but anyways, beautifully drawn great story lines, and I really love that the rebirth series really dives into Black Canary and green arrows partnership as crime Fighters together. So yeah volume to check it out. Nice. Let's get into some news and gossip. All right. God and knees. Okay, y'all what's up, right is this is Katie Cassie Rogers now remembering you know, she's a married Lady. This is her Instagram post from her last day of are oh so y'all she's gonna be back because she's shooting with yeah. So just love her hair so much. I can't get oh, yeah. Really cute Platinum like that and I love it short. So anyway, I just wanted to show that's on Katie's Instagram. So be sure to check that out. But going into our second kind of topic is picture that we have it's a canaries and so for sure she is going to be in canaries because they are the three canaries and we found a great brand. I see talked about that canaries spin-off will be sit in 2040. So we are going to be for sure in the future. So Dinah and Katie Cassidy are going to be playing the older versions of and a half. Hair so I have gray hair. She going to have them wrinkles. So they'll be playing older version of themselves and then obviously the new Squad of canaries and they don't think I talked that talked about that article that we never really thought about that because Renee is trying to change the past possibly Zoe will be in canaries. Maybe we don't know so or Renee or remain? Yeah, who knows what's gonna happen? I think she's gonna be in it deaf speaking of Katherine McNamara for our third bit of news Captain McNamara. Look at her just shooting your bow. There's a really great article or interview rather. She did a phone interview with collider in at she talks about she talks about the spin-off at also for some of you I wasn't but a lot of people love the obsessive Shadowhunters, which she was on the I didn't know that she was on the original. She's like, oh gee. Yes a Shadowhunter. So she talks a lot about how she really feels like a lot of things that he played Clara she was the lead character so I don't want some. Oh, yeah sure. So I she talked about how a lot of that show kind of prepared her for what this is now and she also talked about the difference of jump being part of an OG show and then jumping into arrow and then she also talks about some stuff about ironically enough about how important media discovers family is to her. It's I'm going to could go on and on but it's a quite lengthy interview, but she talks all about like William and Connor and they're really so go to collider just kind of Google and you'll see that it's a great interview. So check it out. And that's your AfterBuzz news and gossip. Is in Gotham. There you go. She's literally everyone in the chat is saying Mia's not a canary. So why was she up there? What she did. She's in the canary show. Hello. Yeah, and there are well. Maybe people don't know that but yes Mia, the canary is supposed to be it's supposed to be Black Canary Mia and then who'd I know and then let's black Theory doesn't who's the third? Oh, yeah, there's two canaries. There's two. Yes. Yes. Yeah, like the canary Network and I got banned on that idea. That's why they've been building it. Yeah, and I think do we know for sure if Williams going to be in the spindle we were talking about it and do we know I've been doing a chat knows let us know. I really hope so. I think he would be a good foil for them. They haven't really like giving the full cast list at this point, but I don't see why not. I mean and if you're three lady crime-fighting team, what do you want? You want your gay brother like you had a computer Kyle? I'm a hundred percent. Oh, by the way, I didn't post it when you have time, but the actor who plays William he posted on his Instagram at the final wrap party. He got pictures with old William and yeah like back to back. It was cute. It's cute. And I'm really quickly calling Prime you're late, but you're here so welcome. Hey just in time for prediction. Yeah. You're AfterBuzz TV news predictions. For those of you who are at home, please have those at predictions ready? Yeah, we're gonna go to have a man after all of us. But here is anybody ready to go fictions prediction thinking I have a yay, it's not a prediction. But if I go yeah Lance comes back next episode of that actor. I'm so excited for that. I owe ya so they're going to be some type of Time Warp mind War, right? Which goes along with season six? So what happened in season 6 so long exactly it Lance die in six or seven Lance died in season 6 episode Lance is going to die. Uh, no. No, I think he's gonna have to reset the timeline. Yes. My prediction is I think that I think they just showed all of her but I actually think this is going to be especially now that she's kind of good. This is going to be a super heavy Katie Cassidy episode. Oh, yeah, it's gonna be great great prediction. I have a WTF. It's not a prediction. But when we did episode 2, why didn't we see caity Lotz? I met said that back in episode 2, but why I mean, it's not like she's not accessible by the CW is she shooting Legends? That's weird hasn't been seen her. They're probably saving her for crisis. Yeah. Yeah, but I agree. I feel like she was I feel like that's a little bit of a missed opportunity. She was such a at the beginning part of Arrow such a big deal agreed. That was not you know, what addictions so my prediction is to reset the timeline. I think that's when we're going to see Lila. Have to be sacrificed. Yeah, I think that might be lylas sacrificial lamb moment because the monitor has come to play and team arrow is not here for it. So they're going to have to make some heavy decisions and people are dying left and right and like we said we haven't heard a word from the boys about any kind of mother figure in their immediate future. So that leads me to think that to reset the time that they're in to have any chance at saving the Own Universe laila's gonna bite the dust. Okay. Okay. That was mine. Lila's going to die. Okay, continuing: Prime. I predict that the 2040 spin-off will suck. Okay. Wait, I think it's going to be good all the future flash-forwards were fantastic Ivan says Leila will betray the monitor for team Arrow. Okay, Grayson says, I predict Lila darted team Arrow to protect them from the monitor. Okay, and then last one Warren Walker says Something happens to Roy during crisis that sends him to lie, and you okay. Alright, then good for more but we have that note. I predict that diggle's gonna ask for a divorce and custody and marry me. There you go. I'm divorcing you so much for joining us. Hi, my name is thank you guys for confronts. You can see all our faces as we did. You undo the make sure you continue the conversation with us on social media. I'm at your surely Ali Kona with underscores in between each word. I'm on Twitter, but honestly find me on Instagram. Give me a shout. I'll shout back cuz I'm not there more. 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Piña Colodas in Russia. OH YEAH. Team Arrow is heading to Russia to steal something...BUT WHO CARES ROY IS BACK!!!!!!! The panel loved seeing he and Diggle team. Great writing this episode and we are trucking into Crisis. Join Olivia DeBartoli, Alikona Bradford, Carolina Bonetti & Matt Marr for a great episode of Arrow. ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters.

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And we have Rachel our expert on his store expert historian. Hey, everybody. I am very excited to talk about some of the inaccuracies on this episode of yes. Now as you notice Virginia's not with us, she's out sick with strep throat, so we send her our love but we'll still have news and gossip some predictions our top three deaths of the show and more for you. So let's get into it. So, okay. It's the last one ladies. What were your overall thoughts? Okay. Can the late? Margaret died already, but I guess she does but I know it's a good kind of end this moment and definitely leaves like this. So what happens next and I mean, yes historically we know what happens next. But how will this show unfold what happened next now that we know there and more episodes coming. I love how they handled it. I loved how they wrapped everything up even though it feels like the end of a part one and I'm glad that we have another season coming. Yeah, I still felt like they didn't leave anything. They didn't leave anything lingering that would have felt off. Yeah, it's a good spot to pause like we it satisfies enough for right now, but leaves you wanting more which is like a good way to do a season finale for a show because you do have to wait so long. So I'm going to is like such a cliffhanger then you're sitting there freaking out waiting. And so this kind of nice like, all right, we're good for now. When are you tell us when we're going to give ya the way it ended definitely wasn't like it left me on the edge of my seat and it was surprising in a lot of areas. And and and so I like that they didn't like ended in a soft way. They went out with a bang and that's the ending we were talking about this before the show. The ending was probably my favorite moment in the entire season. Yeah, just because we were left the acting was brilliant in that moment and we were left with basically them saying nothing but saying every life is just by their facial reactions and the way that they laughed and That each other in a very telling wedding and we will get into that. So let's start with death number one because there were many of them Henry this seventh dies. So kind of walking you through that process at the beginning of this episode. We have you know, lady Margaret is a static that Margaret pole and every traitor has been captured but then we see, you know, Henry with a cough King King Henry with the cough. Why is it always a cough? It's like whenever you see a character to show with a cough. It's like Ugh. Dead it just it's most visibly and audibly obvious way of not feeling well, maybe yeah, so this cloth turns deadly and he's in the bath and suddenly we see blood it. I mean and we were talking about how quickly that this death like rapidly occurred like in written in the show. Yeah. I didn't like that part of it. I feel like I think they might have hinted at it a little bit but not as well as I think they could have that's my only fault with this episode. Was that even if he was going to Died in that manner, I think that they should have showed the progression especially with just everything that we know about what actually happened to King Henry the seventh like maybe even one or two more scenes of him like having the cough because we get it we've seen it like even if it almost feels cliche cliche and movies someone coughs there's blood on their hands were like, okay, they're probably going to die. But it almost I sat there going wait, did he drown like almost like he drowned in his blood? Yeah because it was like gurgling sound and then That I guess would make it feel like how was so fast. It's like okay sure if he drowned it, but then I still think you'd be struggling more but felt like what huh? Yeah, one minute. Okay. Yeah, I'm talking his mom about not looking at him naked. I was kind of cute if I me though, but that it also spoke to a mother's love like they won't know you could be 65 years old and your mother will still see you as her child as her baby and and we saw how that connection affected lady Margaret throughout this episode. So Very suddenly dies and it sends his mother into a tailspin because she's trying to figure out what how to handle this in addition to grieving at the same time and figuring out how to make sure her grandson, you know gets to the throne without any issues. Also, we have Lena by this time. She's pissed that Oviedo has locked up lady pole and you know Henry is I'm sorry Harry is schedule is still scheduled to get married. At this point and Catherine has not even seen him yet. So then Maggie and her two children are put into jail guys know that was so what do you think of that episode? I thought that scene. I thought it was so sad. I know it's bad for the older son because I mean it is a dangerous situation, but he's seems old enough, they could understand the situation but the little girl I feel that would be very traumatic for her and it's almost good that the other that the other son is at the But the monks because at least he doesn't have to be in jail though. Rachel had an interesting theory that maybe more happened that we don't see. Wait a minute. Yeah. Oh no, don't do it. Now. You can see it now, but I just so basically what we're talking about is when Maggie goes to pick up her son, but let's hold off a little bit Yeah part is so sad and so let's not forget apart. But at this point in the beginning of the episode, You know, well at least also I mean, I know they're it's one their women into it such a young child, but I'm glad the mother and child going to stay together though death because they easily could have been like, nope different Speights faces and not cared about they could have broken the entire family up and but Maggie was in the same cell that her brother died in which was harsh. I was like damn I'm also just the visual of seeing this woman and the small child in a jail cell fortunately Catherine did end up helping the family be together, which was very kind of her. We saw a lot of From Katherine in this episode really trying to help Maggie out and I found that interesting because they started out so Rocky at the beginning of the season. So we also backtracking a little bit lady Margaret has also frantically Enlisted the help of who was that gentleman because I thought it was Dudley at first but it wasn't so Dudley was the guy Dudley didn't come into little bit later. But who was the first guy that helped her? I don't know if he was any one of consequence. Okay, I think he was just someone who was tending to him. And I loved how that seed like he was frantic. He didn't know what to do is like he didn't want to get involved. But he knew he had to help her and Lady Margaret is just like you better do what I tell you to do her mind was working so quickly. It just amazed me how she'd like Snapped into figuring out. Okay this what needs to be done right now. Oh, yeah. I know. She was definitely a force to be reckoned with definitely. It's like I'm gonna get out of the way. I'm gonna let her do her thing. Yes it at this point little as we mentioned Dudley does come in a little bit. Later to assist her and ends up taking all the papers and this is when everyone else finds out that they've been scheming a bit with the taxes and raising the taxes and reeking Habit to everyone else which which explains why everyone hates them. Mmm. Yeah, and they make it very clear that Queen Mother is behind it. Mmm-hmm. And she's so creepy smart of hmm. Who else could we blame and get rid of and if you notice that council meeting every other person is like What did you what like mouths shut up? Yes. Yes. Yes. So, you know because Harry still isn't there she Queen Mother just ends up making all the decisions as she has been basically the entire time but at this council meeting everyone was well, there was that one person who was like a little on the fence like saying. Oh, I kind of knew I felt bad but I just went along with the plan just to go along with things so I wouldn't get in trouble and it shows how much power the family had and Me to people to do things. They didn't really want to do mhm. Um, also there was a scene where lady Market lays in bed with her dead son. Oh, yeah. No, we realize because also I was a retired we were talking earlier the if it was TB you getting next to the blood is contagious, but that I mean she's old so I as in she doesn't maybe have that much longer live as I'm time period but still it's like nope. I think like I think I Think it's just like when you are a mom and I don't have kids so, you know, how moms like well like touch York. It's not, you know, they're all the fecal matter. Everything moms are are open to like just touching anything that kids get into. So I think she was like this. I don't care if it's blood. This is my son. I need to have a moment and say goodbye my own way to him. Yeah, I get that but it was very like was good. This just the fact that she was lying in bed with him. Yeah there too. 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So at this point, you know, the king is dead and Catherine has found out and she's trying she decides to intercept hair. Coming back to London because he's been away and I love that scene of her into something him on the road and she enlists the helical. There's only one road there was Julio and they have the the local townspeople who hated him like both, you know walking by and it was great seeing that their interaction there. What did you think of that seeing taking place outside outdoors and on the road as opposed to at back in London and in the castle, I feel like it speaks to the episode because part of this this is like getting out and getting a fresh breath of fresh air. And this is really I mean, they've been out together before but this also really shows how far she's willing to go to be with him. And since we're getting into this to the scene that she has with him where she speaking with him and telling him the basically show love him in any way that he wants her to love him just really spoke volumes about how she feels for him. I think it So shows the bridging a gap like they haven't seen each other in a while and this road brings them together and I found it interesting that she was the first person to say that to tell him that his father died. Like he didn't hear from his grandmother. He heard it from her. So when she said long live the king I was like, can you imagine coming back and hearing that your dad died, but it seems like they've all prepared themselves for from childhood to for this eventually happen because it of death means so much. I also feel like we are starting to to see the real Harry when he learned the news there was this look in his eyes and it was we've kind of seen it before but in this moment there was this look of power like yes it the the crown is mine. I am going to take control and oh, yeah, like I think we're finally starting to see like finally I've been waiting makes sense because then it makes the transition smoother because if you weren't prepared it would be a bit more abrupt and which would make the passing of the Or more difficult and tumultuous, right? And I what I liked about the scene was when although he later find out he lied about it. Harry tells Kathryn. Oh, you know I denounced you know, Eleanor I didn't want her two days ago. I told her that I didn't want to marry her and we later found out that is not true because we think it's not true. Okay, we've also while this is all going on and Catherine and Harry. We are having this reunions Queen Mother is continuing to wreak havoc and has decided to now put the blame on her her conspirator The Dudley and decides to say that Dudley is the one who was responsible for all the tax changes and she had nothing to do with it. No one else had anything to do with it was all Dudley because easy scapegoat important, you know, and I hate I hate him but I felt bad I felt bad for Dudley. But like how did you feel about that? Getting the blame put on him. I dislike Dudley, but I dislike Queen Mother more. Oh, yeah, so I felt I did feel some level of okay. She should be getting this not him. But I also didn't want hit like I didn't care that he was going to die either because he was so shady. Yeah. Yeah, and after what we saw him do to everybody and it's the way that he was Raising rents even when people couldn't afford it. Yeah. I'm like, okay. Yeah. This guy deserves it. It's more like you felt I really I think that said more to his It's that when he's about to be murdered essentially of him going from the Panic to the anger to the fu like that emotional roller coaster, even though he was so horrible. I kind of feel bad of like well, that's not it wasn't fair that you get absolutely known for all and they're gonna blame you and be like, I washed my hands. Peace out. Yeah. I mean at this point lady Margaret trying to do anything to make herself look like best person and prepare for her grandson's return. He's now King and she had to do you have to cover her tracks basically, but Dudley when he got chopped number one on the back in the back. It's like did they miss on purpose? It could happen hubby Joe in the chat says poor deadly. They should have sharpen the blade he was saying is were walking down and it happened though. Sadly of they would cut and it wouldn't go first all the way through also he was moving around a lot. And yes really struggling and so I think it makes make that name hard. Yeah. Yeah, and then when they got him the second time and they were able to actually get in the right spot, even if it was a guillotine it but they are notorious for needing to use it a couple times. I but I just I haven't seen many shows like television programs where they make it happen like that like Game of Thrones is usually one chap you're done, you know, this one the fact that they chose to they made Dudley stuff longer than they did the King's death. Yeah, if you think about it, you know, so to see chop number one in the back like we missed in and chop number two is what did it it was like Wow and and To hear ee crying out for like pleading. Like hey, I didn't do this. It was just it was really it really was impactful. So Mila J. And the try also agrees. Yes poor doubly. Alrighty deadly so then Harry arrives home, and now from this point in the episode, I was like, what do I call him now? I know I know he's like, okay. I'm now King Henry, so I'm like nope, but what I call you now like for in for the purposes of this show, I'm gonna continue to call him Harry just for our episode until Next season I'll call him King Henry. That's what I'll do. Yeah, so but he's like listen, my name has changed. I'm a new person and Katherine and I are getting married and I found I was like I loved how quickly he was like, this is what I'm doing everybody know because remember Catherine also, they were great grandmother had kicked her out. She was like you can't come in here. Lena was kicked out for Oviedo. We'll talk about him. But you were going to say something Rachel just that we see Harry take complete control and Actually, he seems like he is going to be a good King the way that he's acting we want him to kind of side with Catherine which is what he's doing but he just there is this there. Is this Sinister or yeah, like I feel like I almost feel like we're watching Game of Thrones and that right now he seems like what he's doing is great and that he's the strong king and you want to be on his side. He's the good guy, but it's going to get to His head and he is going to start pushing too hard until now suddenly this is like Daenerys and yeah, you do not want, you know want to be under this guy, right? And you're right because at this point also Harry is saving the day so he comes home and by the time grandmother has wreaked havoc Dudley's dead. But Maggie and the children are still in jail, but then he do to Catherine's request pardons, Maggie and her children. And Maggie here is about the King's death when she They initially arrested Dudley and put Dudley in jail. So it's not like, you know, someone came to her she just overheard in put two and two together then also Lena and ov8. Oh, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. I got worried because they said we had when we had our guests in and they're saying well they did get married. No Mom. No, we don't know how long they were married because it's one of those maybe ceremony and then that's it. And I was getting worried. I know it's funny because you always think somebody's gonna Die you're gonna die. Everybody's gonna die when when he when they actually like, you know hanged him. I thought that he they were going to Catherine was going to get there like one second to write and that he was gonna like even when he got down I thought that it had been so much trauma on his yes, but he was still gonna die anyway, and then he was saying goodbye to her. Yeah, Queen Mother In addition to messing with Dudley and Maggie. She also decides to Lion-O v8o say that he stole her Bible. And because she's upset at him for helping Catherine and we get to Harry before she could so she decides to lie on him and not just like throw him in jail. No you get no trial. He just immediately gets hung by his homies. These were guys like he was working with like a couple days prior and I almost want to sit going to give them a start of a pass because they kind of question like wait don't show me have a trial but they follow those orders and that's when you should be questioning. You sure really yeah. I think he should have protested. I mean I think oviatt. Was just so dumbfounded by this betrayal but I would be way more right away be like no no you gave it to me because he kind of holds back of like no, it doesn't give her like yeah, we've been right away. And why do you hold up was I was when I saw him being hesitant it I was like, why isn't he like protesting more? I think that he was in shock. That's how I just so like what no way. Yeah, like I can't believe she's about to do this to me. I know where he's going with it. Yeah, or he's too That he couldn't imagine someone being so Sinister mmm because he had just been working on her behalf every day. He just took the but she's off the team. Yeah, and and and really put himself out there for her and then maybe just like happened so quickly he couldn't register. Yeah, but I think what it was is that Queen Mother realized like one of the things that came through really fast. She said well, how did they know where Harry was and so we shoot as soon as she knew. Okay. Well like he she's betrayed me. Anyway, yeah, it was like she was really quick. She had time to process her moves, but he did not. Yeah, but before he gets hungry see Lena, no Vera have their Interfaith wedding. It was super cute. So tells me I know after all that cause you know all the back and forth would like how are we going to do this? They were like at the end of the day just put the ring on me. I just wanted in life or death. That sounds bad. She wanted it. What did you think about seeing Lena so distraught, you know when she thought Oviedo had died. It was about to be killed all that scene. I was almost going to cry when he's like saying goodbye to her and got me. It was like all like imagine like would you want to stand there and watch your partner died? And it's one of those you want to be there those moments that like maybe your that last good thing they see but then that's the last thing you see of them. It's just like, ah, I wanted her to be more I think I mean not really a prediction yet, but I think Lena is going to be more mad about this or I hope she is and It's those pieces together and be like this is because that woman you know, because lady Margaret did this this is what happened. My love almost died. Yeah, because I want her to be way more of a snapback on that. Yeah, like do not let that fly. I agree. I think she will see her have the same anger that Maggie had when her husband. Yeah, Lena will have that because you know, now this her husband this not her boyfriend anymore this her husband that moment when I got hung and Katherine and Harry come and save Thank goodness. It was on time but there was a moment. He was laying on the ground. I was like, oh he's dead. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was dead too. I thought it was too good to be true that Catherine would have come back at just the right moment, right? He was done. Yeah. I thought it was adding to the deaths. We'd seen in this episode where we can say. Well, it's a good thing they did. I mean good for him that they did the hanging that way because if it had been more like on something and push if the neck snaps on that would have been done and over with I was concerned maybe if there had been like permit damage of you the The vocal cord, right or because he seemed to be struggling after it's like oh could he still died? Yeah, but he had enough strength to tell Lina that the pope had in fact given Catherine and Harry permission to be married weeks ago when he read the letters that lady Margaret had him intercept. I was like all these twists and turns and these surprises in this episode really I really enjoyed them because I didn't expect that. They'll want to lean it immediately be like, where are the papers? Yes, exactly. Exactly. But I'm glad that they were still able to get the confirmation of that very quickly because Margaret at this point has also been pardoned. She goes to try to get her son from the monks little Reggie. And as you remember Reggie was told, you know, you're in a monastery now, you can't speak Rachel. I'll let you have the floor because you obviously have a theory and I didn't want to go there but let's discuss for him to be that traumatized. I think there was sexual abuse nice dinner. I want to thank it he looks so scared and it broke my heart to even think about that but it seemed like the most logical conclusion. He wouldn't be that upset at her for just leaving him and this wasn't like years, you know, if they've been that and then I could understand his I hate you. You left me right and even though it's still fresh in he's young. I kind of wonder that to of like oh no. Yeah. That's why he's like you left me and then this stuff happened then made you see the way that man was looming over. And then I'm like girl Maggie. Um, how you hated him? I'll get a child. Don't let him stay there. Like what would like oh, he needs more time. No girl. He needs you. Yeah. No. I thought she should picked him up. He's like, he's your baby pick him up and leave. Yeah, so no, thank you Rachel. Now. I'm now I'm only fit person hubby, Joe said something happened. Neela Jay thinks something happened. Oh God. It just it just breaks my heart with current history stuff on the probably a high. Possibility of Happiness into oh, well, hopefully Reggie, maybe Reggie we get well soon rush out of the light at the end of the episode. We know that they got he got out, but he's still not speaking. So and she bad as they seem. Yes. So, you know, Harry we think is saving the day and granting Pardons and you know giving everybody what they want. But then we see Lady Margaret going on a downward spiral. She starts having hallucinations. And I'm of the Two Princes that she had killed my first I thought it was Arthur. I thought I wasn't sure who those two little boys were initially. Did you guys realize it immediately? I think it was too and I think it might be two separate boys because when she was in the church, she taught she saw two healthy boys, right? And so I didn't get a good Glimpse at them. But then when we went into the bedroom then bloody, so I thought it was those boys were separate and those were the boys she had murdered. Could be yeah, but she Lady Lady Margaret. I mean it's going crazy and I love the scene where Maggie pole comes in because she hears lady Margaret crying out for water something as simple as water. So I'm like, okay everything out. The house is moving back in order and people have just simply left her this woman who a few days ago was running things. Like I found that really interesting. I kind of wanted Maggie to smother lady Margaret we've or did you think she was going to pour the water on her? Well, I thought you could have poured the water on it on the floor. I wanted her to get a pillow and kill her. I'm glad like plea but then again, she's not a murderer because then you go that way that lady Margaret sad or mad. Maggie is a good person, but I kind of wanted her to and I'm sorry. I'm glad she did it. She had out of the way she did because it just shows how much how much better of a person she is. Well what you said? She's like, I'm the better Christian here which in that way is a little arrogant but you know in comparison, she's like you are no good faith person like I am much better in this situation Maggie. I was glad to see her back in court looking fresh and fresh faced and fabulous. It was great to see her back where she belonged but she had been through a lot and you know, who else had been through a lot Catherine and Harry we end with this discussion where a Catherine gets a letter from her father stating that hey heads up. Harry did not send your niece away he acts I actually did and I did that because your Sister, Joanna told me that she had slept with Harry. First of all, what kind of conversation is that? What like hey by the way Dad I did this or was it like just so you know I did this in order to have this power over them. My question is now here's the thing. We know that from the way that they showed Harry with Joanna. It looked like something was about to happen. Right? I know this but my question is knowing what I know about you Anna and how she was especially after her husband died ich was she telling the truth or not? Not historically like this is you know, very different than how they're showing the how it is in the show. But if we're going to go off the show and what they're what it looks like happened. I guess I could believe that that's how it went down but I just don't know like I'm finding it hard to I don't know who to I don't know if her father is lying or Joanna is lying or if Harry is lying. It's hard to say, I feel like it happens and just from the the way the show has been written and then even if it happened Need the father really call off the wedding for that reason, right or did he or did he not care? And he just wants to be doesn't want his pride to get hurt. So true now he's saying yes. It was me we end with the scene with Catherine saying hey, you know, you're telling the truth, right and and Harry's like yeah totally and then he says you're telling the truth about not sleeping with my brother. So and she was like, yeah, totally that's the first time she didn't look sure in her statement that the first time I was like damn Catherine that you really like it. I know we talked about this but I was like, oh it's and she has to get outside for that fresh air of like I made it like yeah, barely and and ending scene was amazing. Yeah. I think it was both of them understanding that they're both lying. Yeah. Yeah and then both going you cool. We lied. You could be like, alright cool. So a marriage built on lies Rachel you said this was your favorite episode scene of the whole series. This was my favorite because it's like one of those things where I think Catherine wants to believe him. Uh-huh, but then When it's like the way that they're smiling they're their smiles match. Yeah, and so I think that was her moment when she realized he was lying to her. Otherwise, she would not have believed it and she knows okay, why can't question his Integrity because then that gives him the right to question. And so I'm in this place where all right. Well Gotta Go Gotta Keep this wedding movie. So that was yes speaking on that topic Mabel Victory says everyone is he's lying. That's me boy. Everybody. Everybody is lying in the show. But what we loved about it was that it kept us on our the edge of our seats and it just it we it now we know okay, there's going to be even more great stuff happening in season 2. So we're looking forward to it that leads us into some of our special segments. Let's get into our keeping it real segment. I'm sad this will be the last time until 2020, but just to kind of go over this because Actually a lot King Henry the seventh as we were touching on he actually died from tuberculosis. He died in like 1509. So and her and Catherine's mother to put it in perspective was died in 1504. Okay. So the way that the show has it is that all this is happening around the same time, but that's just not true. He was Henry the seventh was given his last sacraments. So they knew he was going to die. It wasn't sudden like this, but it's still Was kept hidden for a couple of days before they told people what was going on. So that was kind of true. Okay, then with queen mother. She died two months after King Henry the seventh and she actually was queen regent until well. I guess we'll call him Harry soon until Harry's 18th birthday. Then she died the day after word. Oh, wow. They didn't really show that the way it happened. Now the last thing I wanted to mention as to do with Joanna. Okay, all of this business with her potentially sleeping with Harry and everywhere. I looked I didn't see anything about that. But there was talk after Elizabeth passed away for King Henry the seventh to marry Joanna after her husband died. And so the other thing is that in real life. Joanna would have been 28. This is when all this was going on. It was in 1507. She would have been about 28 and Harry only would have been like 16, so not saying That it isn't possible. Most likely the talk of marriage was probably just with King Henry the seventh and and there was no you no funny business other than this. Well, I appreciate the creative life is fantastic because it just moved things along and you know, some shows moves slowly this kept on moving. Thank you Rachel. Yeah that leads us into our news and gossip segment after so, you know during the week, I'm all up on everybody's IG from the show, and I just wanted to I pulled a couple of So this photo is from Nadia Parks AKA Rosa and it shows the cast we have Rosa we have Maggie. We have lady Margaret and we have Lena and Katherine and some other crew members all laughing together. And what I loved about this is do we haven't seen lady Margaret laughs so yeah never like we've never seen her laugh. So I thought I'm gonna cry cry scary when she's living her best live look like everyone who's not friends on the show. Friends in this picture. So yeah, I love that. It said the captain says the real shoot behind the Harper's Bazaar exclusive and she tells us, you know, there's a final episode tonight and then there's another one ladies having fun and Hamming it up and because Rosa had to leave before everyone else. So this was probably like towards the end of Hirsch time shooting with them. Then we can move onto a picture of our Catherine AKA Charlotte. It says it's the Spanish princess finale tonight. Catherine was a dream come true for me and So proud of our show and our Dream cast and crew so looking beautiful and then we have the ladies again. So awkward Crone is the name of our Meg the young lady who played Meg and it's a picture of lien arose and Catherine and her caption says that in the next photo is says what I loved the final episode of Spanish princess, please appreciate these absolute goddesses, Charlotte, totally nailed playing Katherine her intelligence her strength, even her flaws. I can't imagine anyone else playing the Roll what I also found out in this caption is this was not his first job which they did and Matthew said in the in our interview last week, so that was great and we'll move on now to my new best friend Aaron Cove. Mmm AKA Oviedo, I happen to just mention that I'd just watch the show and we had a bit of a correspondence which I was so excited about I commented on his picture it was his comp has captioned said, you know, basically It was the finale tonight and I was like I said, it was so good. Great job. And Aaron said thanks man, the show Runners and Riders did an incredible job making the story as incredible as it was I said, they were all amazing. We love getting to know Emma and Matthew when they were here at AfterBuzz. You guys should definitely check that out and I invited Aaron to come through next time. He's in LA and he said but Matthew are lovely and the next time when I'm in La I'll definitely pass through and he said he's even watch our after-show. He thought it was cool. So hopefully we'll have Aaron and more cast members and crew members combined next time. So before we go, let's wrap up our top three. So we decided to give you the top three deaths of this episode. Ladies. I'll start with you Dudley. Why just because I wasn't expecting your AfterBuzz TV prediction. Ah, yes. We'll give you our top three and our prediction that the same Tokay Okay cool. So Dudley because I was not expecting him to actually Died and I wasn't expecting it to be like that. I did not I didn't like him but I didn't expect it like that. And I also didn't expect that. He was going to get hit like three times before his head actually came off. Oh, yeah, that's rough. And then my predictions for next season. I think that we're going to start to see King Henry the 8th in full force. I think that he is already cheating and I think that basically not just cheating but lying to her in so many ways and now he has the Keys of the Kingdom to do what to do with what he wishes. Yeah, II want to say Henry the seventh death. If only because we knew he was going to die for our Harry to take over but it was still like what huh, it happened just so fast that he liked wrap it up. It was just so unfortunate. Oh like not the best way to die and make it in your bathtub and your mom there. So it was unfortunate and for next season we did get toxic Meg would be more around because we did we left her that we don't know what happened with her. I agree that Harry is fully coming into it and we've seen glimpses of what he's going to be. Like I just wonder how long it's gonna be before Catherine realizes. Oh, maybe I should have like pick someone else or gone back to Spain and Harry's not the one for me. Yeah. My top three death was Arthur's because our it's Arthur's death that kicked all of this up and set everything in motion. And without him had he not died things would have been very different from all of these characters. So that was My number one also my prediction I think you know Maggie's back on the court things are good right now, but what if Maggie's really a spy, you know, she was just playing for the other side working with her cousin and now suddenly she's back in the house. Is she going to be someone that they can trust or she going to be working both sides. So I look forward to seeing this next season. My name is sahai. You can find me on Instagram at say hi. Say hi. Ladies. Where can they find you? Yes, you can find me online and carried Elaine. That's Kar. Idla any And my name is Rachel Goodman. You can find me on Twitter at rage Goodman. If you are a fan of Agents of Shield the after about show is next. Yes. Thank you guys so much. We really appreciate you and see you next season our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com check out our lineup. Buzz see you later. Would you express your inner? Those are the hosts only if you're not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners are principles.

It’s the Season 1 finale of the “The Spanish Princess” Aftershow and we heave lies, deceit, freedom and death. Watch as hosts Tsahai Wilson, Kari Lane and Rachel Goodman talk the death of King Henry VIII and Lady Margaret going crazy.Stay tuned for their special segment “Keeping it Real”, News & Gossip, their Top 3 deaths and Predictions for next season! As we follow Catherine of Aragon's journey as The Spanish Princess, join THE SPANISH PRINCESS AFTER SHOW every week to discuss the latest episodes and break down all the plot points, character betrayals, reveals, and political savagery! We'll have special segments and news every single week from the show as well! Be sure to subscribe and comment if you love the show! About The Spanish Princess: The Spanish Princess follows Catherine of Aragon, the beautiful teenaged princess of Spain who was promised the English throne since she was a child. She arrives in a grey, rain-lashed England with her glorious and diverse court, including her lady-in-waiting Lina, a Sub-Saharan African. She becomes Princess of Wales, but when her husband Prince Arthur dies suddenly, the throne seems lost to Catherine. However, she claims her marriage was never consummated and that therefore as a virgin she may set her sights on the new heir, the charismatic and headstrong Prince Harry who will one day rule as King Henry VIII. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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I am so excited for you to hear this interview that we did. She is hilarious. Nothing was off-limits and it was great to hear her story and we laughed a lot. So I hope you enjoy this episode. I'm Superwoman. So I'm going to pinch myself because I'm sitting with the Katie Couric right now. I'm sitting with the Rebecca Minkoff. So well, I think it's different. I think I grew up watching you. I know I hate when people say that well, I don't know. We mind but but a lot of times people my own age will say I grew up watching you. I'm like, wait a second. You didn't I are the same age. It makes them feel better, but that's okay and but it's actually really really sweet Rebecca because now especially young women in their 20s. They came come up to me all the time and say you were such an important part of my childhood totally, you know, my mom and I watched you every morning it was a way for us to bond. Yeah, and it's really sweet because one of the reasons I wouldn't say the primary reason but an important reason I got into television news as I moved, you know up. The ladder was that I wanted to make sure that I was a strong female role model. Yeah, and the fact that now young women in their 20s and sometimes 30s, but usually in their 20s say that I influenced who they felt they were and who they could be in the world is so gratifying. And I really didn't let you even do your introduction. So I'm sorry, that's fine. I don't have I don't have a pre-planned anything. Okay, so there's not going to be an intern. Okay good. Sorry. I'm just like no, but what I think you influenced me and that you asked questions that would like make my stomach cringe sometimes as you know, and that shows a fearlessness and in bravery and some when you when growing up when I would ask for things that seem scary. I'm like if Katie can ask that question to him on National Television, you know, I think that you know Ray's I think that's a little bit easier, you know, I was thinking about that the other day because I'm writing a book about my life. So I'm thinking about like different experiences. I had and sometimes I look back and I do wonder where did I get the chutzpa right where the Moxie as my dad would always say that I had Moxie which I love that word to kind of go there with certain people and to you know, speak truth to power and all that stuff and I think I felt such a responsibility and obligation. Legation to ask important serious questions and to challenge people but you know it did sometimes get a little uncomfortable. Yeah, honestly and I got some pushback I was thinking about you know, when I did an interview with Condi rice and I asked her something about Russia because she had been you know, she's a Russian scholar and I remember getting pushback from the GE Executives and the NBC Executives that I had been, you know. You confrontational and that they had gotten a lot of complaints about it. You know, it's such a strange balance when you're doing a Morning Show because you have to be warm and welcoming and people have to feel comfortable, you know when they're putting on their makeup or getting dressed in the morning. Yeah, and yet we really tried to make the Today Show a very serious news show too. So it was always kind of this balance between being nice and being tough totally and I think that's a challenge. As an entrepreneur or as someone who's going out in their own business it you're constantly dealing with that least I am. Yeah, so I'd love to talk about your entrepreneurship. I think we're all familiar with your previous career, but I want to talk about your entrepreneurship. But can I ask you one question before we dive into mine you and I had coffee a couple of months ago, and I'm so so impressed and proud of you that you jumped on sort of the female founder or that you really initiated this female founder seal. Approval to let people know because it's it's so important and I think that increasingly there's such a close relationship with consumers and what they're getting from. Whomever that they want to know who's behind the curtain they want to know who they're supporting. Yeah, and who they're helping in, you know helping in business so I know your listeners probably know this, but can you just breathe? KS turned into the interview. I would she take it on because I'm so proud of you and and just why you got this idea and then I'm not gonna ask you any more questions after that. Okay, fine. I'll answer. I'll answer your question. I started it because I felt like there was no way for a consumer to support a female found a company or even know how or even know if it was or even know if it was like we don't all have our names as our companies and there's amazing, you know companies that out their health aid kombucha. I talk about them all the time. I'm away luggage, you know these big huge brands that were founded by women. And so I think it was a way for consumers to support it and not just have us all talked Ad nauseam about if 20 more women in c-suite positions were all paid twenty million dollars. They pay Gap would would equal out right as they were using an average. So this would really be about a Grassroots support of women and let's make that 80 cents a dollar that way. That's so great. And how many and so you basically have a Seal that people use to indicate and to basically communicate a has that been effective and B how many female founder companies have you embraced or have have I guess subscribe to this. How is that out of support members? We have over 5,000 at this point and how two and a half million products to date. That is so awesome. Yeah, and then probably by the end of this year, I'll be on over like three and a half million products because once it's on you know on all my packaging for instance, it's however many Cell that you see it or Lola tampons or who else is using it? So cool. Yeah, and we have bigger people planned ha ha take that domination. I think I had too much coffee. By the way God. I wish I had that much coffee. So what's happening in your life? Let's just start there. You are becoming truly you're going back to start up days. I am it's so crazy, but it's really fun. Can I ask you what about it, you know. No, you left or you you know, you stop doing your day-to-day and were you bored or you felt like you want to do something totally different and you said it's kind of a natural evolution of my career. Okay, because I worked in I started out at ABC then CNN that I worked in local news then Tim Russert cut Sami chasing marionberry around when he was mayor of Washington and involved in some pretty shady things and asked me to be the deputy Pentagon correspondent from that. I went to The Today Show. Did that 15 years went to CVS did that five years did a syndicated talk show for two years which was challenging but fun and then I went to Yahoo, because I'm actually really interested. I try to take the big picture look at media and I see how it's changing and instead of kind of holding on to a traditional the way it's done traditionally and just staying and doing what I'm doing. I've always tried to oh evolve and learn and kind of explore different things and take risks. So I worked at Yahoo for five years when they hired Bobby Brown and David Pogue and all these other names because they wanted to create original content. But the problem was I don't think they really understood original content because their tech company right and they I don't think that was sort of where their head was at. So I enjoyed my time there. We had a great team and I did some really interesting things, but it wasn't a place. That I don't think cared about content creation that much they were really, you know, the pipes they didn't want to be the stuff going through the pipes, but they had some pretty significant pipes and I think they could have built something really really exciting and impressive but that just wasn't where they were at at that point. So when I was done with Yahoo, I did a six-hour series for National Geographic exploring big social issues, like political correctness on college campuses Confederate statues what it's like to Be a Muslim in America white anxiety white working-class anxiety gender and equality in Hollywood and Silicon Valley and I love doing that but it was an enormous amount of traveling and a very ambitious project. So when I was done with that I thought hmm, what can I do now? And I thought well, I'd like to use everything I've learned professionally and I'd like to be my own boss pick my own projects, but How do I make that work? So I started wait for it Katie Couric media how original I'm taking suggestions to change the name of the company, but everyone said to me, you know, people know who you are. So you should take advantage of that but I just feel sort of like, oh really, but Moxie was taken damn it because that would have been the perfect name because that's what my dad used to always tell me I had but I started it about a year ago and my husband John said the only way I'm ever going to see you as if I I work with you. Wow, so I thought oh, that's probably true because I really love to work. I just said I like being productive. Yeah, and so John thank goodness because he is so smart. He was a partner of Brown Brothers Harriman and he's really a really smart businessman. So he started the company with me and it handles a lot of the business side of the company and you know, he writes letters to You know to investors and we really mostly self-financed but we have some sort of friends and family investors and Bill konigsberg who started Horizon media is a personal investor. And so basically in a nutshell we've hired about I think 17 people now wow, and we work out of horizon media and I'm working with brands that care about the world I think in a nutshell because Purpose Driven brands are our sort of required in many ways today for a couple of reasons externally facing consumers care about that Ergo what you're doing? Yeah, and they want to support brands that they believe have their heart in the right place. Meanwhile employees specifically Millennials want to work for companies that they feel have a higher purpose that it's not just about selling dishwasher soap or shampoo. Pill it's about this is totally making the world a better place. Yeah, so as a result and then this Edelman trust barometer, which I often cites shows 78 percent of employees expect their CEOs to take a position on thorny social issues. So what what is happening at the simultaneously is people are losing faith and the government and media sadly and in sort of Institutions and companies are actually filling the void. So I thought I Of to tell stories. I like to tackle big important issues. I like to educate people and it's a natural thing for me. That's what I've done my whole career. How can I work with these companies be editorially independent? I'm not Shilling for for a blank God for that, you know, and how can I really tackle? Some of the issues they care about whether its environmental sustainability or gender equality or you know Criminal Justice Reform or Power of mentorship all these things that I think are really important. I think people are craving that kind of information. I just did an interview with John Legend on how do you raise a boy to be a good man to respect women to share the workload at home? And so I interviewed John about it because he was raised in large part by his dad when his mom ran into some trouble with drugs and the law and was absent for a chunk of his child. Hood and what values did his dad in part on him? And actually it was his mom who really taught her kids to be independent and how to do their own laundry. How do you know take care of themselves? So naturally he and Chrissy have a very egalitarian relationship. Now, of course, you know, I'm sure they have a lot of help but just his you know, his his lens is through equality at home and a lot of respect of what she does and what she brings to the table so In this era of me too, which is so important. How do we also help men along and not make them feel totally marginalized and and demonized as a result of a really important movement that's going on agreed. I was at a meeting last week where someone's like maybe we can have a shame scale on companies that are not equal and I was like, no that I don't think the shame scales going to work. Yeah, you know make people around let's like help people out and give them a chance give them a warning. Earning right now and also give them support and maybe give them guidance and I'm on The Advisory Board of an organization called see her which is I think 80 companies that are devoted to gender equality and want to improve the way girls and women are portrayed in the media. Yep, and their philosophy is we don't embarrass or shame anyone we want to support people. We want to give positive feedback for the people who are doing right and help them along. So I think you're right, but they're look I mean there's How many things to talk about I am terms of you know, I want to I'm doing a series on mentors and young women who can look to Trailblazers who really inspired them in various Fields. So we're doing that with with Proctor and Gamble and Olay specifically and you know, we're doing I did a series called getting there and that was profiling like bows Mo st. John and Bethenny Frankel and Eva Chen and just trying to understand their career paths to inspire other young women. Yeah, and I did something with sk2 where I went to Asia to talk about the changing role of marriage. There's a lot of marriage pressure particularly in Asian countries, and this new generation of young women in I went to South Korea, Japan and China are rejecting that they're saying we're not looking for someone to complete us. We want to complete ourselves first. And if we're not married by 30, you may call us a leftover, but we're happy with who we are. So it just really interesting kind of anthropological sociological trends that they examine and and it's basically women should control their own destiny. Totally. What's been an unexpected challenge being your own boss and starting from scratch. I think finding great people. Yes is is hard, you know, I interviewed Ina for that after and getting their series and I thought she she's she was interesting. I said, what advice would you have? I think I must have asked her about hiring or what and she said I hire happy people because you can teach someone about cheese, but you can't teach them to be happy. It's so true. I used to try and make everyone happy in my office. I would have like office hours therapy. Come cry with me or whatever. Come cry with me. Let's cry. Let's cry away and I was like, I Make everybody happy they're not if they're not personally fulfilled. They'll be miserable at the office whether well, no matter what we do no matter how many days off or whatever and that was like freeing to be like, you're not a happy person. You're going to bring that unhappiness here, right? And I think you know, I mean listen what is happy like Prince Charles said what is love I mean, but I do think you want to find people who have positive energy totally a real go for an attitude who are willing to stay who you know, you can tell when One really likes what they're doing. Yeah, and you know that I think that's been a little bit of a challenge but I have a great group of people we've assembled and so I think I think I've learned a lot in that process. You know, the company's just a year old. So it's not like we've been around that much but I would say that I would also say, you know, I'm the kind of person Rebecca who says yes to everything and I get so excited. So I have a million. In irons in the fire and I think sometimes trying to do too much is is really challenging and I had lunch with the Warby Parker guys, and they said focus on one thing. Yeah, but of course, I'm focused on a thousand things, but I'm there. I am I am trying though really hard. We have a newsletter called wake-up call that is p in people's and box every morning and we tie both curate the news make it sort of understandable for people. And then we do original content. In fact, I need to interview you for like Monday motivation. We talked to female Founders Heidi Zach from third love is featured today. And then we have an inspiring story at the end. It's sponsored by Sleep Number and we do stories about you know, sleep and all that. So how do you sign up for it? You just well, we have a really easy way. You can dial four seven four seven four seven text it and then just right Katie and then it's the sign up right there. You go to my Instagram. I'm total Instagram freak and you can sign up there as well. But we have a team doing that. So that's one aspect and Ally Financial is one of our sponsors. We have all these founding sponsors rally Health. P&G is a I have a very close relationship with PNG and sleep number and we're talking to a lot of other companies and we're doing digital series for them. I'm working on a couple of documentaries and I do a lot of speaking engagements. So I really get Get to pick and choose what I'm doing and I think the newsletter satisfies my desire to kind of have that daily presence in people's lives, which I used to have for so long on television totally. So right before we started recording we were talking about getting older. Yeah, and you posted something recently that got a lot of comments. Yeah. It was sort of in response to that face app right where people were making themselves older which I thought was humanly. Nice and kind of fun to see and you know, I'm 62 and basically I was saying it's really the last ISM that is socially acceptable right? I mean sexism racism, you know homophobia, which is an ism but it's a you know Ayah. Yeah. I posted this picture and I said, hey, I'm 62. I'm fine with it. I'm proud of the age. I am what I've learned how I'm living my life. My life and I feel that I have as much energy as I had when I was 38. So I think it was just basically a reality check for people who you know, sometimes by the way, I do get bummed out like I'm like shit. I'm on the back nine and that really sucks because I love what I do. I love my life. I mean all that stuff. I love my kids and I have the best husband and my friends and my work. So you're like, wow, you know, it is a little weird. When you feel like there's a lot of stuff in your rear-view mirror, right? But you know, I also have a husband who died at 42 and a sister who died at 54 and I also think listen we are so lucky to age and I say 60 is the new 60, right? It's not the new 30. It's Embrace who you are how old you are what you're doing stay engaged and you know. No, I just feel like we need to sort of recalibrate the way we look at older people. For example, people used to always say to me your dad is so cute. And they sort of infantilize older people sometimes and I said my dad isn't cute. My dad is brilliant and accomplished and erudite and he's not cute and it's amazing how much we of the vernacular toward aging is sort of Along those lines. I did a podcast. I'm relaunching my podcast in the fall and I did a podcast on ageism and it's just so interesting to look at it and and talk about it my podcast I think is going to be really good call. It's called not Katie crying. It's called next question. I love that and you're interviewing all everything like yeah. So this time I did one with my good friend Brian Goldsmith who lives in La so he's not going to be doing it. With me this time, although I might have him as a special guest because he's a political genius. He's so smart and I adore him but it's really this time. I think that the connective tissue for the last podcast. I mean one day we'd be interviewing Busy Philipps about her book and the next week. We'd be interviewing Frank Luntz about the election. I mean, it was sort of all over the place which I think some people really like and I liked but this time we're doing Issues, I know it sounds boring when you're like, ah, what do you mean big issues? For example, we're doing pornography and how it's shaping young men and leading to unwanted or violent sex with women because it's so ubiquitous and so accessible that you just have to Google something and you will have hardcore porn which more often than not is showing a lot of violence towards women. Women choking and it's really I mean this podcast is so graphic. I hope people can handle it but it's there was a survey that showed a quarter of American women are afraid during sex. Wow. So we kind of look at that and what can we do about it? And so I'd like to I like to take a closer look at things that are happening because our our society is transforming so quickly with technology and I think sometimes For not realizing the impact of these seismic shifts until much later. Yeah. I just watched the great hack and the end. Yeah, like I was saying will never have an or a democracy a true democracy ever again and that scared the you know, what atomy? I should I I should add to because we swear on here, but you know, that's such a good documentary. I went to it. I was at can working because of this new company I have and I went to a screening and some friends of mine did that documentary and You know, we're so complacent and what we give up in terms of our privacy for convenience. I think it's so much the norm that people don't even think about it, but I thought they did a really good job. I wish they had gone a little bit more into the whole Julian Assange. Yeah, and how that impacted the election. It's really more about just what happens right with your information. Yeah, and it's so needed because I think people don't think about it. Yeah, it made me want to get a flip phone. Or like the but the Bumblebee phone, you know the full the phone for quote unquote older people. It's like the letters are exaggerated. And that's all there is like it really is. Like people have trouble seeing can see these huge numbers and that's all there is. Wow. Yeah. I may have to get one of those but I do think I mean don't you notice you'll be talking about someone. I know that there's not somebody listening on the other end, but doesn't it feel like it sometimes I'll see I'll be talking about some Something or I'll be talking about doing a story with someone and all of a sudden their Instagram posed out pops up and I'm like what the hell? Yeah, not to scare everybody. But my friend was in HR at a company that was like you buy this video game console when you turn it on. There's people in China that are transcribing everything you say and do and I was like cool. We're definitely being listened to I don't have that video game console. I know but still I mean, it's messed up it it I know both of us, I think I recommend the great hack because it's really it's very eye-opening and they did a good job because it's not the easiest thing to illustrate in a film. I do want to also talk about you mentioned your husband passed when he was 42 and you were how old at the time 41 and you had two young daughters 6 & 2 holy shit. Yeah. Can you talk about emerging from that like the the who you contacted for strength or where you found that and then I know you started a charity based on that. Yeah. I'll talk a little bit about that. That sure gosh. Sorry. Who did I who did eye contact for strength or where did everyone I mean? I think I had J came from a big close family. He was one of seven big Irish Catholic. My family is very close. So my parents were incredible Jays parents and siblings and my siblings were awesome and supportive. You know, I think I had I have really really good friends who have been my friends for a very long time growing up and College and early days of my career. So I'm really lucky that way and you know, it was hell. What can I say? It was just horrendous, you know, you just you somehow get through it. I have a really good friend who just lost her husband in a car accident and that happened in a matter of minutes. And you know, I was we were talking about losing someone after a long illness versus you know in an instant violent way. Way and both are terrible and both have their own challenges obviously, but you know Jay was sick for nine months and that was really really really really hard. Yeah, and I'm writing a lot about this now and about how I dealt with it and how he dealt with it and how I wish I had dealt with it and not really having a conversation about the fact that he might die. Like we never really went there. Wow, and for a whole host Of reasons that now I really regret. I don't think it would have changed anything but I don't know it was sort of always the elephant in the room, right? So after he died, I started doing a lot of work with colon cancer awareness and did that colonoscopy on television and Anna raise money to support colon cancer research because the drug Jay went on had been used since the 1950s and there had been really very little nude. Drugs developed for metastatic colon cancer because he was staged for when he was diagnosed. It was all over his liver. So I did that and and that was I think healing and cathartic in some ways because you know, you feel so powerless if anybody listening has been in this situation when someone they deeply love is sick and they're a can-do person, you know Problem Solver. It doesn't matter really right, you know and to Feel powerless is really hard. So I think to take some of that power back and try to help other people empowering them to get screened so they wouldn't have to go through this was I think really really helpful for me and then eventually I started an organization with eight other women called Stand Up to cancer was Sherry Lansing and Laura ziskin who has since passed away from breast cancer and Lisa Paulsen from the entertainment industry industry foundation and a number of other room. Markable women in marketing and PR and we said this isn't working. You know, we have all these huge events for a tsunami and for 9/11 as we should but a person dies every minute of cancer and yet we need we need to support the scientists and put this on the front burner. So we started stand up to cancer and we've raised over 600 million dollars for research and He's dream teams where the scientist collaborate said of compete and they share their information and their wisdom and their clinical trials and it's just now they're we've contributed to the FDA approval of six new cancer drugs. So I think I think it's making a difference and it's just a way of saying, you know, we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. And we want to we want to put our foot on the gas pedal and we want to come up with better treatments that will help. Help people manage their cancer. Is it like a chronic disease or hopefully at some point cure it all together. Wow, that's amazing. Leave it to eight angry women you cited you right, right. Yeah Hell hath no fury like women who are pissed off about cancer research. So, how do I it's really quite remarkable and it makes me think of that Margaret Mead quote, which I always bought never doubt the ability of a few concerned citizen to change the world indeed. It's the only thing That ever has that's true and to build something from scratch and to really support these heroes in cancer research. You know, it's really I'm very very proud of that accomplishment. That's amazing. Well, thank you. You're welcome for doing that. I have two questions. I like to ask all my guests one thing we would be surprised to know about you personal professional. Hmm. I sometimes say I'm scared of zombies, but I've seen one before. Or I play the piano by ear, but a lot of what I follow me on Instagram know that okay, so I play everything in the key of C and I've always been able to do it and it's a really weird kind of idiot savant thing that's amazing to sit down and figure out I mean if it has a lot of sharps or flats, ir and it's really complicated Melody it's hard for me to do but most songs. I can really just figure out it's this really weird like I hear it in my brain and it just kind of Trance transfers into my hands. Amazing. I took piano for 10 years, but I still really mostly just sit down and play by ear. And how about this? I'm a really big slob. No way. Yes. I'm like pigpen. I mean he follows me around see and dirty though. No, I'm not dirty. You're just messing. I'm just messy I am not Saturday. I'm a bi-racial him dirty. But I mean, I just he says the tornado has arrived. I mean it takes me about a half an hour to completely have a hotel. I'll room with my stuff scattered all over the place. So I'm very very messy. That's a good one. I am to it's a problem is your husband neat. No, he's also messy. That's bad. My husband's neat. Oh, both of my husband's were pretty neat. Thank God who I wish I had a yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe then I had been I would have to get my shit together. If I had a neat husband. Yeah. Now we're just like both we rely on our Nanny just keep the household together. What is a piece of advice that's been extraordinary? Only helpful to you or that you've come up with on your own that you'd like to give forth. I would like to give forth this advice their listeners. I would say that I would say, you know, especially women want to be light and their Pleasers and you know, I just think the faster you realize that not everyone is going to like you the better off you'll be and I think for me as the youngest child in someone who I found Tony for who kind of wanted to be popular popular remember that you can sing to front? No, I can't really but I'm in a singing mood it said those three cups of coffee, but I think that you know, you want to be a nice person and kind of people but you know, you're not going to be every everybody's Jam as they say and that's okay. Yeah, you know, and I also think in this day and age without offending. In people you you know, I'm not into the outrage machine and this constant, you know people getting affirmation instead of information. We didn't even talk about the news media, which maybe we'll do part do this podcast apart dude. Yeah. Sure. Okay when someone doesn't show up call me and say oh my God Katie you remember you told me healthasyst her out, but I think that sometimes you know, you just have to stand up for what you believe, but I also think you have to do it with An open heart and gentle persuasion and you have to listen to other people and value their opinion or at least hear them and I think that's part of the problem and our society. Nobody is talking to each other or listening or having a reasonable conversation. It's also highly charged. Yeah, and it's so hard to do but to say tell me why you feel that way and you know does this is what bothers me? Does that bother you? You know, I just think That this bifurcation of the culture, you know, I think exacerbated by the media landscape is really is really a sad turn of events for our country. Totally. Wow. Great day. Is there anything else we can talk about before we end on that or can we just tell me something you're excited about well my daughters getting married. Read, okay. That's very exciting. I'm really excited. I've two great girls. I'm so proud of them. You know, why because they're nice. That's awesome. They're they're really nice grounded girls and care about the world around them and their my life and then I have an incredible step daughter named Ali and then I have a incredible step son named Henry. So it's so nice, you know, John's parents are Alive and I love them madly hervey is the ski instructor in Aspen. I remember you told me about yeah and Paula is this super intellectually exhausting sophisticated really curious about the world beautiful woman. So I feel so happy that I have inherited this extraordinary family. It's so nice, but getting back to Ellie. She's getting married next summer, and I'm just so happy for her. We're going to go wedding-gown shopping. Andres whatever you call them and it's just going to be really really fun. We're having a little engagement party for Mark her fiancé his family and our family out east next Saturday night. I don't know when this runs but it's just gonna be it's just nice and it's you know, I love weddings because they're such happy occasion. Yeah, I love weddings and graduations totally, you know, because it's really important everyone. To celebrate the good things and to really take stock and to say wow. This is such a happy event and I don't know really really soak it in because there's so much to worry about and ringing, you know, wring your hands over. So I'm really trying to appreciate and accentuate the positive now that you can take with you on your day. Thank you. Thanks Rebecca do this for our son being with you, too. That was Katie Couric. I hope you enjoyed it. She said she wants round two. So please do email in any questions or anything you want to know that I didn't ask her today's review is from shopping and flats lifting each other up before I started purposely listening to podcasts of women in business. I had no idea that there were actually women who lifted each other up. Unfortunately. I'm in a work environment where the girl drama is similar to The High School drama that I thought I was done with after graduation listening to your podcast has showed me that there are in fact people who want to to empower other women instead of intentionally bringing them down. Thank you for this shopping and flats. You are more than welcome. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as I did recording it.

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You're listening to the Cannabis investing Network before we begin a short disclaimer the full disclaimer follows at the end of this episode. This podcast is a general communication and is being provided for entertainment and information purposes only. It is educational in nature and is not designed to be a recommendation for any specific investment strategy plan feature or other purpose. Please enjoy responsibly.Hello and welcome back to the Cannabis investing Network market update for September 25th, 2019 and guys, we have a packed market update. We've been off for a little bit and we are back at a very interesting time and there is a ton of stuff happening in the market that we need to discuss today. My name is Manish. I'm here with my co-host Abby. How you doing? Abbi? Magic Manish. I'm doing very well there. We go magic Manish. I like it. All right, so Abby, have you been I know we haven't done an update and thinking two weeks and a lot has happened in those two weeks at the markets of just been they've been insane. They've been absolutely brutal the broader markets have recovered but the Cannabis Market somehow has gotten even worse and that's some of what we're going to talk about today. We have some really really good news today and then we have some not so Good news, and we're going to alternate back and forth between good news and bad news and we have four different news items. So let's just jump right into it. So the overview for today guys is number one the safe Banking Act passes the house, which is huge news. Number two. We're going to discuss the vaping Health crisis and I put a little question mark there because is it really a crisis? You know, and what's really going on and you know, how bad is it really number three? Three some very positive news out of Pennsylvania as well as what that means for New York, New Jersey and Connecticut and number for CIBC analysts have put out throwing a little bit of cold water on some of the other analysts estimates for the Canadian some of these hot stocks. There you go through a little bit of hot a little bit of cold water on some already. I don't know about all the pot anymore. I mean some already beaten down stock and CIBC is kicking them. They're down do we agree with it? Do we not agree with it? We will get into that so. First of all the safe Banking Act passes the house. Absolutely historic guys you can you go into what the safe Banking Act is absolutely. So first of all, I'll just touch on passing the house. They passed the house with 75 percent of the votes in the house. And that is an extremely impressive number because it means they got a lot of Republicans to vote in favor of it. This was truly a bipartisan effort and one of the first You know really consequential pieces of legislation. We've seen that's cannabis-related and and I mean we should just stop and take that end. I mean that is a huge development that I would never have thought possible, you know a year or two years ago. I agree. I'm just letting people pause to take that in. Oh, okay. I was wondering you looking at me like - yeah, I like there was no there's no question. You're not married, right? Okay, so they passed it using a special process which speeds up the process and limits debate. However, it requires two-thirds of the vote. So it shows that they were very confident that they had the votes to pass this thing and and just strong bipartisan when you know reflects very well on you know, I would say the the other the sentiment. Yeah, they have towards cannabis would be a fair assessment. Right and I think that it's really encouraging to see this many Republicans voting for something broadly cannabis-related for sure. And you know what? I'm pretty sure it's next on your agenda is roll dough will ask you can you talk about why it's important absolutely implications are and what the safe like what the Safe Act is. Yeah, absolutely. So first of all, just just as a caveat although Today was fantastic news. It's important to note here that in the state's things have to pass the house and the Senate and then be signed into law. So today it passed the house. That's awesome. But it still has to pass the Senate so, you know, there's still a lengthy road ahead the sentence looking to be more challenging than the house was and it could still get vetoed potentially by the president. So these are all things that have to be overcome and this is just a good first step. Okay. Now why is it important? Why is this something? That is such good news for the industry? The Safe Act is really a Banking Act. Okay, and in very simple terms what it does is it allows Banks to take on cannabis related businesses as clients without having to worry about Federal legislators or federal Regulators coming after them? Okay. So right now the way you know, let's remember cannabis is a schedule one drug in the same class as you know, heroin and cocaine so So any company even at the state level, you know, if you're in California and at the state level it's completely legal doesn't matter in the by the letter of the law. Federally you are scared. You are trafficking in a schedule one drug like a cocaine dealer which means that you're actually funding terrorism as well. So just to really put it into perspective of how severe it is. Yeah, I mean terrorism in the states, which is not what you had. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Well that's that's how it can be perceived from a legal perspective exact right? So why that's important. And is that you know, I've talked to I've invested in a company that was a software company and they actually got kicked out of their bank. So their bank took them on as a client and then release them because their clients were going to be cannabis companies and they were going to be basically taking deposits from cannabis companies and this software company was not even allowed to bank with a big bank. So that's how cautious big banks are when it comes to cannabis because of the schedule 1 status. What the Safe Act would do is basically take all of that uncertainty and illegality and and risk away from the banks. So now the banks can you know with open arms except cannabis and related businesses. They can Bank them so they can have bank accounts with them. They can offer Financial Services to them. They can begin to accept credit card payments, which is a huge deal. You know, when you go to a dispensary right now, you can't pay by credit card. So just think about you know, think about What a big impact that makes and the number one thing is once you Bank the client once you have a banking relationship with them, you can start loaning the money. Okay, and why is this so important? It's because it's all about the cost of capital. So right now if you're a cannabis company and you need money the first option and the easiest option is you got to raise Equity. So you have to issue new shares have to dilute yourself. And you have to keep doing that every time you need money and these companies need to keep doing it because it's Capital intensive and they're burning cash is they grow? Right? So that's a big problem. The second step is you can raise private debt. So you can go and raise money from private individuals as debt. A lot of times it takes, you know, it has some kind of Warrant kicker attached to it, which means that there's there's a potential for Equity dilution and the debt is very expensive because it's private debt right so it can be Like 10 12 14 percent debt, we're talking about here. Okay, when you pass the safe act now, you can start dealing with the big Banks and your cost of capital goes from being 12 14 18 percent to now being maybe six seven eight percent and when we look at the large cannabis companies in Canada, that is exactly how that's exactly the cost of capital. We're seeing it's something in around the six percent now still you have to be a good company and one of the one of the bigger companies to attract that kind. Kind of Bank financing, but it's out there and it's you know to be able to take on debt at six percent is much better than having to raise Equity or you don't get private debt, which is going to cost you a lot more right and one of the big challenges. I keep telling people to think about is that as you know, it's when the markets soft it's hard to raise money, right? So if you can go to the bank and get debt now that is a huge huge plus. Okay. So this is what the Safe Act means that's why it's so Important and this was a huge first step in getting it passed now, they'll be some pressure on the Senate but with anything government-related guys, you never know. What's going to happen. It's always going to take longer than you think. It's always going to take longer than it should and we're going into an election year. So is that a good thing bad thing? Who knows? I certainly don't it just means I always find that with election years. You just get weird issues that just get over Amplified. Right people get fixated on one thing if it's a no this party members saying ABC then another party member will kind of come in and kind of go explain why they are for or against it and it just kind of amplifies anything. So if there's like a little bit of fire, it's like throwing gasoline to the fire. So the markets are going down because of whatever issue. I think it just sort of amplifies that result sure and I would say that I hate to pontificate on politics. So it you know, it just does so many better places for you to get that kind of information but I would just say that it is funny that the first thing to get past cannabis-related is something that helps the big Banks right? Like, you know what I'll take it but I'm just saying it is funny that like, you know, the you know Congress is acting and it's in favor of something that will help banking. Right but the industry the industry desperately needs it. So I'm not too. Yeah and take anything away from that. Yeah, so Who is this a positive for all of the US companies all of the bank's too but it's definitely a much bigger impact for the Cannabis space than it is for the banking space. Yeah, and I'm also a firm believer that you know, once the bank's get involved and they start making money on this. They're going to be a big proponent to push for further legalization and federal legalization. Right? Once they see how much money there is to be made. They're going to help drive this thing forward, right and let's not forget how powerful the u.s. Banks are. So that's the that is the first piece of news wrapped up the safe Banking Act big positive for the US absolutely nothing to do with Canada and fingers crossed. You know, when that Senate version passes if when that would be a major major Catalyst for the space and absolutely huge and just a great benefit for the businesses. So stay tuned and we'll see what happens number two. So, like I said, it's going to go good bad. This is probably one of Of the worst news items we've had in a long time and that is The Vaping Health epidemic and this has been absolutely brutal to the space and I want to be clear. You know, I'm a little bit tongue-in-cheek here saying epidemic. We don't really know how bad this is by the numbers so far. It's about 350 cases of people particularly young people having, you know, some kind of lung or pulmonary illness about 350. Two cases and about eight deaths and they all seem to have happened relatively, you know quickly in a short period of time. Yeah, so I'll keep that in mind that this is mostly in the states right mostly in the States. But you know, there's at least one case in Canada. It's also you know, it's also important that they have so many more people right? So, you know sort of makes sense. I'll give you a quick anecdote a b which you might find interesting there is a daughter and son in my office and They were talking about how you know, they both used to smoke and in the past couple of years, they've flipped and they've turned to vaping and they don't smoke anymore. They exclusively vape and it just in the last two weeks with this news that came out. They said you know what? We don't know what's going on. They switch back to smoking cigarettes. So, okay. Look I'm not a doctor by any means but what I would say is I don't know. I think I think vaping is a little bit healthier. Sure. That's what I've seen them smoking. I if you don't if you don't smoke don't fade if you smoke then, you know vaping might be a good way for you to get off cigarettes. Yeah, and I mean look when it comes to health when it comes to long-term health effects. I mean, who knows right? I certainly wouldn't assume vaping is good for you. But this is a very real problem and a lot of the online stuff. I've read a lot of people in the forums are sort of saying I really upset at the media for how much the media has run with this and how big it's become and I sort of have this like litmus test where if my dad tells me something about about cannabis. It means it's made it to the mainstream. It's made it to the news. The average person has learned about it. And you know what? First of all I just want to say like I don't You can just sweep this under the rug and say oh, it's nothing. We don't know how bad it is. We really don't I don't I think it's overblown. I mean 350 cases out of the number of people vaping doesn't seem like that much and at it seems at least people have come out and said that vitamin E acetate seems to be one of the culprits but we're not really not sure like we actually read more into it. There's not a lot of clarity and the black market is being blamed for a lot of it. Yeah and what I've heard mostly about this and I and you're right it is the vitamin E acetate and it's like the black market that predominantly gets blamed for it. I'm hearing a lot more about the carrier oils that are being put into it which contain vitamin E a state and as well one of the cases that I heard about was the flavored pods. Okay, right. This individual was I think taking a one-and-a-half pod today. That's a lot of PODS. Yeah, if you really think about each pot has about 200 hits. Oh, yeah, like don't get me wrong. It's These people are very heavy users it appears. But again, one of the problems is we don't have good data. And especially when you're dealing with things in the black market the problem is now you can't even track them. Right so we can't find what the what the Common Thread is between these things because there's no track and Trace there's no supplied. You know, there's no regulated supply chain, right? So if anything hopefully this pushes Regulators to say, wow, we really need to you know, shut out the black market and move to the regulated market, but I just have to keep it real with you guys. Like I'm not a I'm not a cheerleader or a soldier who's just going to say, you know, don't worry. It's all good. This is a huge piece of bad news. I just have to be really honest about that because the negative information spread so quickly, right and it spreads very far and it's a very simple message right the simple messages watch out vaping can be really bad it can kill you. Right right. The more complex message is well, there's certain ingredients in vaping and it was made by the black market. It takes a lot longer to lot harder to get that message out there. Yeah, right. It's a lot harder for the media doesn't need to run that story. They want to run the they want to run the you know, the oh my God kids are dying every day from this. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, like look, the other thing that I want to kind of touch on is that you know, you see all these anti-smoking campaigns. You see kind of What Not I mean, obviously you're gonna start seeing the vaping and even the candidates campaign, sir. Come out, but I really really really really think that education and just educating the broader public on what vaping is it. Obviously they have to do a lot more research into a lot more studies. Like does it make sense to just kind of ban all like do a blanket ban on all the Apes? Who knows maybe at this time? It does because they don't know what it is. Maybe it's time. It doesn't well, okay, you make a good point here because as an investor and we're going to do a whole episode on this which is, you know, once you start investing in something I got to be honest you get sucked in and you Without realizing it you become biased and you become a cheerleader. So anything good that happens. You're like, yeah and anything bad that happens. You have a tendency to sort of sweep it under the rug and say oh whatever. This is being overblown. It's not that big of a deal. Right? And that's a problem because we don't want to be irrational we want to be really rational as investors, right? So what I'm getting to your point a b is that you know, when this first came out I kind of went. Oh whatever it's mostly just nicotine products. It's it's fine. So why I said, this is a really bad piece of news. Massachusetts came out and said we are putting a four-month ban on all Vape products th see Anon THC. Okay vaping makes up about up to 50 percent of a company sales and they are the most high margin sales and then the most defensible sales because you can brand them. Right? So let's not mince words this this if vaping takes a hit the industry takes a hit and my problem is I think even in the consumers mind you just put a huge red flag on Oops, right and I think that's really really unfortunate and I think it's going to take time and maybe Vapes may never come back to where they were where people were just you know, sucking them back all the time people might be a lot more concerned now about Vapes. Well, I mean rightfully so they should I think it's kind of a catch-22 because as an investor in cannabis and as an investor with Vape company not they've companies but extraction companies I can see the benefit and the potential for it and I think I can see Big Market coming up, but at the same time, you know what to do at the expense of Public Health, right? And look. I mean, I don't think what Massachusetts did was was the right move because at the end of the day people who want Vape is still going to get them and you're pushing them to the black market. Yeah. Exactly. It's a terrible way to especially if you're trying to elicit like a stray if you're trying to grow a legal Market, it's a terrible thing to do to just bend it all the way especially when it's available gree when it's available everywhere completely agree. But also what you just said earlier, it's an election year so they got a Look like they're doing something they got to be aggressive. You know, they want to show that no, we're taking this seriously and even though I think it's the wrong policy now, we're in the politics territory which you know as an investor is a dangerous place to be right. Another thing is guys Health can't like so Massachusetts did it they're a relatively small market right now, they're scaling rapidly, but you know, four months of lost sales and that markets not that big of a deal guys who's next right? What if what if you know, California it puts Hold on it what if Health Canada has been so cautious and so careful. What if they decide to delay Vape products? It was supposed to start hitting the shelves in January of next year. What if it takes another 6-12 months, right? What does that mean for the extraction companies? What does that mean for the LPS? It could mean a lot more pain ahead and I would hate to see that happen, but it's a reality that we have to face right now in the long term. Hopefully this will get sorted out but you know, a realistic long-term impact could be that we just don't don't see the same level of vaping that we did before. Yeah. Now some people have been reading say okay. This just means people will switch to Edibles or they'll switch to dried flower. I disagree. I don't be so sure. Yeah, I disagree and I think that for Vape it wasn't necessarily just to get people who already smoked like cannabis of dry flour even a totally it was a way for new people to sort of enter the industry because 100% you don't roll it, you know smell you just kind you can take one hit and then leave, you know, it's so Like that's going to that that will hinder the market a little bit going forward. But however, though I mean for Canada, I think this is I hate to say it. I think it's kind of good news. And the reason I say that is Health Canada's giving guidance for people who don't know Health Canada is given guidance in October 17th, 20 19 of this year that legalization 2.0 is going to come around the corner and that includes everything from extract products which includes Vapes. I think that's going to be a great like they haven't written it out yet, but Think they're gonna put some standards in place. Let's do a little bit more research and the things that they do put in place. Maybe they're going to say hey, look no carrier oils. It's got to be full spectrum cannabis or it's got to be this type of extraction method. I can't be this type if it's got to be like that and I think given that a lot of these companies want to comply with these rules have to comply. Yeah, sorry that but they want to they willingly like and and and legally they have to comply I'm not going to be great. Right? It's going to make the legal Market really work for to get the customers. I mean look at it. I just don't know right like they could very easily Health Canada has taken such a cautious approach every step of the way. They could very easily say alright, October 17th. We're doing Edibles and we're going to wait another year for Vapes because we want to study this closer and and I hope that does not listen I'm with you. I really hope that doesn't happen. All I'm saying is it could happen like I don't want it to happen. But realistically it could happen and honestly, it would be hard to fault them right because And I didn't they push ahead with Vapes and then a bunch more people get sick, right because we thought it was vitamin E vitamin E acetate but there was something else right? So that would look horrible on them and they might feel they have to delay it right and I can tell you for sure. They're going to be much more cautious approving the rollout of Apes now than they would have a month ago and look it is what it is. It's really unfortunate. But it's a this is a real negative. I want everyone to be aware of it when there's something that's really good news. We're going to come here and we're going to tell you when there's something that's bad news. We're going to come here. We're going to tell you right we're not going to try to sugarcoat it. So it is what it is. You know, we'll keep our eye on this topic again. I really hope it gets resolved sooner rather than later, but you know, definitely not definitely not a good piece of news and probably the most negative news that I can think about us discussing on this podcast. Yeah, I agree and I think like you just to further your point over there. Yeah. I hope it does get resolved sooner and later. But if it doesn't I hope some just some more concrete evidence or concrete information comes to light where Don't have people over reacting for the sake of overreacting for sure. Okay. Now on to the last two points are a little bit quicker. So again, this is that was the bad news. We're gonna go back to some good news. So Pennsylvania's Governor said today that he is ready to call for recreational legalization of cannabis and that is excellent news Pennsylvania is currently a medicinal only state Abby. I didn't even know this but Pennsylvania's population. 21 million people that's you just like what 2/3 Canada that's a little less than that, but it is the same size as Florida. It's one of the top 5 largest states in the u.s. I mean absolutely massive 21 million people now again, like anything government, you know, it's got it potentially has a long road ahead maybe not but what I mean what an opportunity right and there's already a bunch of companies up and operating in Pennsylvania under the medical program. A lot of them are the top msos. So another piece of related news is the governor of New York said today also that he was going to meet with the governors of New Jersey and Connecticut. So New York, New Jersey Connecticut is referred to as the tri-state area because they're all such in close proximity of each other and basically his point was that when they go recreationally legal they want to have some symmetry in the laws between the three states. So what that means is for example, you know, if okay. This is not a not a good or not a not a scenario I want but let's say New York decides to ban vaping products. For example, then they want the bordering Stacy the same they want ever they want the tri-state area. Basically to have the same kind of rules. Do you think that's going to actually happen though in terms of what the same type of rules? Yeah in some cases. Yeah. I mean the governor of New York has been really strict. He's talked about banning Vapes. Smokable flower. Yeah, but I feel like New York liens very to that one side. Right? Like I don't want to say right or left because obviously it's not right or left. I feel like you're cleans a lot more than you Jersey does because New Jersey, for example, you can gamble there, right? Yeah. Sure great Point. Whereas in you like New Jersey's tends to be kind of like, we're more fun stuff happens. There you go. I'm using air quotes. Here you go, Abby. I come here. I love New York. I'm sure I love New York, but you have more fun in New Jersey. You know what actually I don't have never I've been in New Jersey a couple times but Sopranos one too many. Yeah, exactly exactly I've ever even been to Atlantic City at so I mean, I don't know but but but New Jersey has Atlantic City, so it's I don't see why they would have the same rules. I guess we're going but I just personally think it'll be very it'll just depend on who's in charge. That's my that's my thought right? I think New York actually the governor just the most strict of the three and I think he's trying to rope people into being a strict as him, right? I think that's His philosophy now will the others follow who knows because you know, what at the end of the day. It's like you've talked about before Game Theory, right? If your New Jersey and New York is going to be really strict and you're not so strict. You probably get a lot of you know, cross-border tourism, right? Yeah, that's pretty good. But why that why I think this is an important piece of news it when I combine it with the previous piece of news on Pennsylvania. Who's got the biggest border with New York state, Pennsylvania, right? So Pennsylvania sitting here saying we're Going to go full wreck 21 million people right New York 19 and a half million people. So if Pennsylvania is going full wreck, right? It's going to push the others to go full wreck faster. So all of these states are probably going to go full wreck. But as soon as one does it, I think it speeds up the process now, right? So now we're in a bit of a you could be in a bit of a foot race ya know and you told me something interesting prior to the podcast or prior to this episode. You mentioned the population of those four states combined. Yeah. This is absolutely massive. So the tri-state area New York, New Jersey Connecticut 32 million people. Okay, Pennsylvania, 21 million people together 53 million people that's one and a half candidates as well. That's insane. And it's almost one-and-a-half California's as well. Yeah. Well, I don't have an in a much smaller area right then Canada or probably even California. Yeah, but so so but think of it this way right California is the fifth largest economy in the world, and if you look at that population bright a perspective you add these This whatever the quad state area whatever you want to call it that's got to be very meaningful and very impactful. Well, this is why I you know, I've said it once and I'll say it again. I'm so u.s. Focused is because as the state's come online, you're just going to see massive massive ramp up in sales and earnings. The problem is we don't know when it's going to come online. Right? Well, they come online, you know in the next six months. Will it take a year? Will it take two years while they get delayed? Who knows right? That's the uncertainty Factor, right, but we can see there's huge huge potential. So that is very positive news out of Pennsylvania. Now, let's throw some cold water and on on Canada and go to CIBC put out a report I believe today and what they basically said is that they disagree with a lot of the analysts who are covering companies in Canada, and they say that the sales estimates are way too aggressive and they need to be scaled back. How far back. Well, they say that people are people are estimating in 2020. So next year they'll be about Six and a half billion dollars of sales and CIBC saying no, it's going to be about a third of that 2.2 billion. Okay, and they're saying 2021 the seven and a half billion dollars of projected sales. Well that's going to get cut back to to about 3.3 billion. Okay, so there and and just to be clear these numbers don't include the exports. Okay, because I think those are very hard to predict and very hard to Value but they're essentially saying other analysts are being way too aggressive. You're going to see just over 2 billion of sales next year and just over three billion of sales that year after that. What are your thoughts on that? Well, you know, what going again and this is another episode like this episode we're going to do about you know, overcoming your biases. I just see online especially on the weed socks Forum which you know, I read all the time people are pissed like this thing. No, but you know, everyone's saying I'm not going to bank with CIBC anymore. What do they know? You know, like people in getting rid of my Aventura card, seriously, though. People are like how dare they write. Like I saw this this piece that this I guess like I don't even know what to call them. But their website dedicated to cannabis investing type stuff and they wrote this basically hit piece on CIBC. Like here's all the way CIBC is a terrible Bank, you know, and it was just such like Kimberly called confirmation bias, like wanting to not believe something because of you know your Position guys, I'm here to tell you. I read the numbers. I think CIBC is bang-on. Like I think these numbers I think these numbers are actually going to be very very accurate Really Gonna See roughly 2 billion of sales next year. You're going to see roughly 3 billion of sales a year after and you know, what if the Vapes get pushed back these numbers would be even aggressive it would be even worse than this and why are people freaking out because you know, if you're only getting their long and No, but if you're only going to do two and a half billion, like less than two and a half billion of sales next year, you know, these the companies are not worth what they're worth today even after getting cut in half and that's a problem. Yeah, but the thing with the Cannabis industry is this never traded off of fundamentals and never traded off of its to nascent to do that, right? It trades. It's a growth play. Yeah, Abby agreed. But 2020 2021 is supposed to be the Year ramped. This is like agreed. It was it was never treated a fundamentals because there were no fundamentals. Yes. It was an it was a boot like it was Prohibition coming off. Right but the companies have to scale at some point right at some point. They have to start making money. Right and if they're only doing these numbers you're kind of being like what's going on here. So again guys, this is why I'm not investing in Canada. So I'm investing in the u.s. It could also be the the the illicit Market is still thriving what absolutely it is like it I'm not saying there's not six and a half billion dollars of sales to be had. Yeah there are but just the rollout has been very slow, right? I've actually got the stats for one of the next episodes we're doing which is we're actually going to break down the real numbers of the sales in Canada and compare them to what we're seeing in the US, okay and use a little bit of metrics and math to discuss the size of the market and the potential opportunities, right? So, let me just pull this up here. So I've got the sales for July 2019. All of Canada did a hundred and four million dollars of sales. Al's okay, so that's if you know, if you multiply that by 12 you get one and a quarter billion dollars Canadian of sales right now, if you assume that's going to you know, keep growing and then that's also maybe going to double once you have new product formats, you get two maybe three billion dollars, right? And let's be honest like 2020 still going to be a pretty slow year. Like you're just going to start to see the 2.0 products roll out in 2020. They're going to take time to scale. So I think the S, you know, I think This year you're probably going to see just over a billion dollars of sales right next to you're probably going to see just over 2 billion the year after that. You're probably going to see just over three billion, right? And that's pretty good growth. Like let's not knock that. Those are good growth numbers. It's just that the market has priced in a lot more growth than that right a lot more aggressive growth than that. So that's something we're gonna have to deal with And I think just to be clear you're not going to you're not going to see the same thing in the u.s. You're going to start to see the Us sales. Well, actually here. I'll tell you right now in California. The they are expected to sell one. Wait. Where is it? 3.1 billion dollars of cannabis us they'll be about 4 billion of cannabis Canadian in California alone this year 3.1 billion. U.s. Let's for Billet for billion Canadian. Right? So 4 billion Canadian will be sold in California this year. One and one in maybe a quarter billion will be sold in Canada this year. That's crazy. Okay, dear watch the movie awesome powers. Of course, that's four times the amount of money that dr. Evil wanted for ransom. There you go. I guess you know what actually probably wanted USDA. Did he want a billion? I remember the originally wanted 1 million they laugh and then he wanted to billion study asked for a hundred billion, but he has 400 billion. I don't know we'll have to we'll have to check that after the very important step for the people. Okay, so guys That's it. Oh, sorry, just just some final thoughts. You know what? I mean? One thing I was just thinking about recently is. You know the importance of having a long-term focus on the very first episode we did here we talked about, you know from my perspective being a commercial real estate person buying property and not thinking about selling it buying property and holding it for the long term. I think myself included we've become just to short-term focused tracking the ups and downs and you know, we're getting to euphoric when things are going up and we're going to negative when things are going down right and I've certainly been subject to that and this has been a very good Up call to say no. No, like I'm investing in this for a three to five-year Horizon right now. I think things will start happening faster, but I shouldn't be expecting things to go up every day week month. Yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. And I think you said in one of the episodes It's that when you invest in real estate, you know, you hold it for long term because the the navs are not getting struck per second, you know, seeing the prices so you don't get that that roller coaster ride with it. Right? And so that's why a lot of people to be able to make a lot of profit soft real estate and Absolutely that mentality and invest in cannabis as well as well. And I did double check on awesome powers. Dr. Evil. It's a hundred billion dollars a hundred billion dollars. There you go, really glad we've got that disclaimer before and after a hundred billion dollars anybody who was going to invest on the 1 billion Austin Powers number now, you know the correct information. Yeah. It wasn't four times as much as us and that as much as Doctor Doctor. I just want to point out that the only time we've ever fact-checked anything live on the podcast and that was that was the one did that un for? Yeah. Okay guys, the email is cin podcast at gmail.com. We would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for listening and we'll be back to you very soon. This podcast is a general communication and entertainment being provided for informational purposes only. 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We are back with a PACKED Market Update: 1) Breaking down the HISTORIC passage of the SAFE Banking Act (by the House) - How it happened and Why it matters - The road ahead (goes through the Senate) - Benefits of the SAFE Banking Act - Why Traditional Bank Financing would be a huge positive for US Cannabis companies 2) Exploring the Vaping Health Epidemic (is it really an epidemic?) - 350 cases with 8 deaths so  - How bad is this? How aware is the general public? - What's the cause? Vitamin E Acetate? The Black Market? - How much should investors care? Is this just a blip? - How simple and negative news can spread far and wide - Why Vaping is so important to Cannabis Companies - Massachusetts' 4 month ban on ALL vaping products (who's next?) 3) Pennsylvania and the Tri-State Area (NY/NJ/CT) Going Full Rec - 4 neighboring states all looking to go rec in short order - Why New York wants the other states to share the same rules - PA = 21M people; NY = 19.5M - All 4 States = 53M people (1.5x Canada!!) 4) CIBC says Canada Sales Estimates are WAY too High - $6.5B of 2020 Sales reduced to $2.2B (1/3rd of original) - $7.5B of 2021 Sales reduced to $3.3B (44% of original) - People online bashing CIBC over this. Are they right? - Are these numbers accurate? Let's compare to real numbers - What this means for the Canadian market - US sales vs Canadian sales Closing Thought: Long-term focus and being patient - This is a 3-5 year investment play! - Don't get caught focusing on the ups and downs

How long bee-utiful people and welcome back to another episode of BU with Declan and words this week on the show. I'm interviewing the amazing Aaron Edwards. Now, I know what you're thinking same last name. Are we related? We're not however, we do have something in common Aaron and I both have a passion and an interest in how to help. Help people live happier and healthier lives not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well in this episode I talk to Aaron a lot about how he's histories and and struggles and difficulties with depression and with anxiety with his own mental health. We talked about how he began to recognize those and begin to overcome them, which is a long journey and we talked about how he's now using his platform and his Ways to be the voice for other people who may be going through some difficult times themselves. It's a very eye-opening. It's very honest and raw interview and I'm very proud to have it on this podcast and have it on the be your deck and Edwards podcast and very grateful to Aaron's coming in and sharing his story and being so honest and real with me during the interview. Don't forget that like all of our podcast episodes this episode is Is available for free on the wellness Library the wellness library is the free section of our pocket coach platform, which is an e-learning platform designed to help you thrive in life rather than just survive. So it's filled with hundreds of podcast episodes blog articles and videos that you can access for free in the wellness library to begin taking proactive practical and fun steps towards developing your Mindset and your overall well-being. I've left the link to the wellness library and to the full pot crunch platform in the show notes for today's episode. So make sure you check that out. Make sure you take those next steps forward and looking after well-being. And with that said, that's welcome Aaron on to the podcast. So mote. Thank you so much for coming in today. I really appreciate you taking time out of your day and your life. I know you're a busy man, and we'll just catching up about what you do on a day-to-day basis before going live on the podcast and recording everything. So it really does mean a lot to me the a you've taken out sometime and your day to come into studio and talk and share your story and really what drives you with our listeners, but I think if we look bigger than that, I think it matters a lot to me. The reason I asked you to come into the podcast. First place in matters about that you are starting conversations and sharing conversations and stories that really need to be had a lot more that's become much more apparent to me over the last 12 months as I know it has for you. But before we jump into that, I want to give you a chance to introduce yourself to our listeners and share a bit about your background and really what got you to where you are today and why you're doing what you're doing today? Yep. My name's Aaron. I have been a PT 4. Eighteen months now taken off quite quick, which is good. I guess. Yeah, but before that I was working shift work and just any job did a bit of travelling maybe six 10 months worth somewhere in there. We will all around Europe and did all that and come on got another job ended up working shift work and yeah just didn't turn out well. I ended up getting into fitness through Connor which I met so he sort of not really pushed me into it, but got me going on the right path to doing it. And yeah, that's I've been doing it ever since and it's helped a lot with how I feel and where I'm sort of I guess it's giving me a bit more purpose and Direction on what I'm doing. Yeah, because going from the last job, I sort of mental health went downhill and and everything was just yeah all on a slippery dip there wasn't to the point like I was into a serious point. But yeah, it was close everything up, you know something was and I mean now I'm the freedom lot happier really see ya and it's just something different that I guess I enjoy and like to wake up to every day at 3 a.m. I found out before we That's right most days. But yeah, so that's what I do at the moment and hopefully I can continue that on and keep going. Yeah, and I mean I definitely want to dive into that not only How It's Made and impacting your life physically mentally emotionally purpose and meaning you spoke about But made it for it to take off like it has an 18 months it obviously means you're making impact on other people's lives. Yeah, right, and that's everything that we stand for it be you and everything we do is to make an impact starting with self. I love to ask you what it's starting with self look like like how did you have to go through those changes first in order to help other people make them. Ben being vocal was the hardest part, I guess to start with there was a lot of hummin an iron. There was a couple people that knew that the situation I was in and and I guess what was going on, but it wasn't until I sort of took that leap and start to feel better about Where I was that yep to be out of start on this new path. So it all sort of transitioned around the same time, but it was just there. It was a long process to get to it. Definitely. But yeah. The way I the way I told most people is just a post on Facebook. But that was the only way I could tell everyone. Yeah. Why is that do you think? I couldn't really start it and just be like oh, hey. Yeah, I'm not right. Yeah, how do you bring it up in conversation? It's so high like even a book. The doctor's appointment went went to the doctors on my own and even in the doctors amount. I don't know I'm gonna talk about it or but thankfully I did. Yeah, and then yeah, I just it's just that making that initial. Oh, hey, I'm not. Okay. Yeah. It's so hard to poop. So once you saw it once you can get through. It's yeah the changes and it's a lot easier not it's not he's easiest but it's a lot easier to talk about it. Once you sort of get over that fear. Uh-huh. What do you think? The the fear was there like a honestly don't know yeah, it was just yes, it could be anxiety at sister everything plays on top of each other and ya know you're not meant to be like that. But yeah, you have these thoughts you do everything happened like this, but you just can't explain it. Hmm, and I want to thank you my birth something that you just brought to my attention there, which I've never thought of before obviously. We have a lot of initiatives in Australia. Like are you okay today? And you know, if you're on blue and all these organizations offering support, but there's only so So they can do if we're not having the conversations in the first place, right? And I think especially amongst Australian men that is such a big part of the struggle is being able to bring up a conversation to start with and you're right like it was that sense of on a high when you're like, how would I even bring that up in conversation? Yeah, like I did through Facebook post because how else am I meant to just walk me casually talking to a friend be like hey by the way, like it's just so hard. You just like it's not something you just bring up. Yeah. Someone eyes over what's wrong? He's out. Yeah, I'm all right, it's just how we are. It's it's yeah taking that extra step to be able to go. No, I'm not Hmm. This is why but breaking that wall down between knows it's ridiculously hard. Yeah. And do you have people now? I'm imagining through what you're doing. So for those listening, I mean a big reason that I reached out to our internal team on the podcast was I started seeing a lot of amazing posts from your very open and honest and You'll posts about hey. Yes. This is about your physical health. Yes. It's about exercise. And yes, it's about looking after yourself, but it's about much more than that as well. It's also about how do you feel mentally how you feel emotionally estate? It's about depressions about anxiety. It's about all of this plays together and the more you shared that story and spoke with that and I know shared a lot of your experience with that and showed your story. Do you now find that that's started creating opportunities for people to have a conversation with you. I've had a lot of people come up to me about it. And I just thank me or just said that I'm not in the right place not necessarily asking for help but just saying thank you for being a voice. Yes. There's a lot of it doesn't matter if it's male or female. It's I've had a lot of have come out and just yeah said thank you for doing this or that Yeah, I guess I'll you never really know what it does for someone. Hmm, even he get the things here and there or someone will say something about you never really know how far it will go. Yeah to reach someone and it could just be that one seed that one post. That one thing is he that does give them permission almost or support them or encourage them to as you said, maybe not even get to the point of asking for help. Yeah, but just to acknowledge. Yeah your hair actually. Feeling great right now. I'm not feeling right like something's going on here. Yeah, you mentioned it was a long time for you getting to that point game to a point where you're like, okay. Yeah, I got to talk about this. I'm imagining. It's either as long or along the process after that to begin working through it. Yeah, or is it fast that yeah, that's a what happens after that for you? Yeah, it's doing it still continued the downhill if it wasn't a fix. Uh, I was just acknowledgement of what was happening. Yeah, there's actually the I went to the doctors and that night. It was the night. I told my partner What I've Done why why do you want to the doctors? They even that I laid in bed with the lights off. I couldn't even face all the teller so It's not it's not a quick fix situation is still going through the phases of it now. Yep, and I honestly don't think it's something that'll ever go away. Yep, but I can something like a probably maintain and balance a bit better. Then the lower places that you get. Yeah. I know I saw I think you said something which was quite cool around acknowledging depression anxiety and Perfect on paper, but also acknowledging. Well, there's also things that we can put in place to give us a fighting chance yet to put us in a better situation than what we could have been otherwise, and I know exercise is such a massive part of that. I know what you're doing for work is a part of that. What have you found for yourself? Really gives you a fighting chance and put you in a better position, even when you are, you know, still going through and I'm really being affected by things like depression and anxiety. What are the things that you've have found make a difference? Atop a lifestyle. I guess I laid the I guess it's changed a lot. Now that I've had a baby everything's a bit different, of course. Congratulations as well. Right? It's I find that if I was just working in 95 working shift work. They actually said it all go. It's just compounding. I'm stuck in this routine type thing butcher. Whereas now I can sort of I can go to the daddy-daughter thing. Yeah and all that type of stuff and I still get that balance. Yep. Come out like a work early mornings, but then by the time they wake up I can go home and I've heard that balancing work life. Yeah, but I'm liking it at the moment. So it's just finding balances doing things a like. Yeah could be just watching a movie. Just chilling out. Yeah, just just got to find ways. Yeah, it does sound like Curry if I'm wrong finding things that have purpose and meaning for you. Oh, yeah, may still involve sacrifice. I mean raising a couple hundred percent, right? I don't want to sacrifice. Yeah, I've heard great things the other day which I'd love to get your thoughts on it said the purpose of life is finding something worth suffering for it's not about eliminating or suffering. Yeah, because we try and eliminate all suffering and we're putting ourselves on the back foot and it's not really how life works. And even if we were tribes out life tends to throw curve balls are not play our game. Yeah, that's it. How have you going around? Identifying those things for yourself. I mean obviously being a being a father is definitely one of them, but I know what you're doing with your clients and what you're doing in PT demands sacrifice. Yeah, and there's a devil bit of suffering to it. Especially when you're in the gym this house physical suffering and sleep suffering. Yeah, but yeah, but it's almost that trade for the meaning and purpose on the on the back end of it. Yeah, how have you gone about diving into that? I know you said you're introduced to it by Connor and you went through a bit of a transformational journey yourself that yep. What keeps you going with it? What gets you up in the morning? coming I guess that I guess. What gets me up? Every morning is my daughter? Yeah, my partner. Yeah, but just It's good to know when you when you see transformations of people and people you can tell that they are happier with what how they are. You know, I've said it once before sometimes I find helping other people self sort of helps mine. Yeah in a weird way. Uh-huh. Just when I see that they're getting better and happier. That's can help make me similar. It's just like feeding off positive. Top energy in top stuff like that. Yeah. So yeah, it's just Just recurring bouncing off each other type of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Just forget it ever that. Yeah. Yeah. I love that every idea of I think there's a lot to be said about when we when we help someone and we make an impact on other people's lives. It's not this transactional thing right of like you're gaining something and you're happier and healthier now and I've lost something like that happen. It's like no no both of us get something out of it. Yeah, both of us benefit. Both of us felt. They did a great study around they gave and I know they gave a college half. The college kids were given $20 and they said go spend this on yourself at some point. Right how happy you are for the next week? And then the other half is like he's $3 go spend it on someone else and just make them happy just do something unconditional someone else family friend partnered kids like stranger anything and write how happy you are seven days and you can probably guess what the results of that water. Yeah, of course people who helped others had this longer term happiness coming out of it. Both of them were very happy straight away. If you buy something nice for yourself or 20 bucks, so I don't know cause you're gonna be happy but it went down so far as no I do. see your stories and expression of that and how You know, you've gone through tough times and they continue to be tough times. It's part of life, but taking that and going how can I help others be it in a similar situation or even just in their own form of challenge. I'm imagining contributes a lot to you as well. Yeah, it does there's yeah. It's a similar similar as having caffeine. You have caffeine short-term fix. Yep the end of it you like girl. I need more pepper. Yeah, it's the same type of thing. Whereas, you know, you moderate and have a little amounts. You're obviously feel better for a long period of time. Yeah. Sounds just about yeah. Hoping hoping I was sort of like a low dose of caffeine I guess. Yeah, it's just a continuous. Yeah, quite a look at that slow burn and it's not something this isn't like this is a not a job I expected to do uh-huh and in life. But yeah, this is just where I've sort of landed. Yeah, and so I know for you as his head like looking at as more than just a job and and and home with a physical Obviously using your platform to have these conversations and open up about it as well. I know you share with me before we went on the podcast said when you write you tend to just right because it's easier to put up on Facebook. As you said the first time coming, you know, opening up and talking about it was easier to put a Facebook post up. Do you find that when you are writing your post and and those statuses and sharing the information have it starting the conversations on Facebook? Is it always from a place of whatever you're going through at the time? Is it just your sort of spilling your own mind and heart out on there or yes, and sometimes people people that know me like a lot of clients that stuff that not only are could tell I guess when I'm a bit off. Yep, but it's not necessarily always based on me. Uh-huh. What a post. Yeah. I could be super happy and super fine one day. Yeah, but still post about it's just Well, and I feel like that's an important thing to highlight for those listening as well. Yeah, because it sort of blows apart this idea that you can't have these conversations or talk about it unless you're in the middle of something or struggling with depression or anxiety. Yeah right to actually go. Well, you know at the moment I'm very relieved of think we still need to talk about this right. There's so many people out there struggling and you know, I don't know you didn't what are your hopes for? Opposed the future of Australia, especially coming Generations. What are your hopes for you? Daughter's generation coming through in terms of Mental Health. It's it's very very hard because everything's always changing. Hmm. They realize more connected obviously now than what they were 20 years ago. So everything's a lot more out there, but then there's a lot more sort of bottled up as well. Yeah. I'd like to see. Better programs, I guess around dealing with it, you know you can message. Like all of Charities and stuff for help. There's only so much help they could sort of do yeah, and then, you know basically got to go the hospital is your other things are just ways on the improving stuff like that would be would be great and having being able to teach the younger people how to cope with and how to speak about it. Before it gets to an issue. Yeah is also a good thing. Yeah. I had a great analogy around that of you don't teach a child how to get back on the bike once the like when they're on the ground crying because of hit the ground you're I like you don't wait till the kid falls off and then like well now we're going to learn how to get back on the bike and it's like we need to be teaching these coping mechanisms and resilience skills and things to help as you said before it hits. Yeah, you know that real Point yeah, no she down a break your arm. You wanna prevent it from happening to start with I'd love that. So let's go ahead and say it right and if something happens where it does end up being broken at least have some form of yet process around. Okay. Well, how do we get through this? How do we give ourselves the best chance of recovering from this? Yeah. I mean, it's the monkey had much the same. Yeah. So as far as what I'd love To ask him out for listening. How can the people listening to this whether they are going through something strong at the moment or whether they have been in the past or whether the never been but they know someone who is How do you feel people can begin making those almost grassroot changes like the obviously the idea is we have better organizations and better programs and things. What can people do to help now? What makes a difference for you like what do you want when you're in that? place of struggle it's it's hard. I remember there's times where You don't want anything you want everything all in one guy you don't understand up but you don't wanna sit down. Yeah, it ain't you don't want to lay down. It's very hard. Sort of yes what you want and how you want it sort of thing. And that's it's just the weirdest feeling when you don't know what can help but can't help until you sort of get through that period you just it's like you sound through as a ghost. Yeah. It's just so hard to say. Being it's just the only thing you can sort of help is acknowledging where you're at. It's a disease. It's just it's basically like having it's not the same as but it's For example, you've got cancer there is no treatment. How do you fix the cancer? There's you know, you've got this disease in your body, but you don't know how to fix it. You don't know where the you don't mind. I know where the causes are or what takes of awful stuff like that and it's just until we can sort of scale back and Work on even just the smallest bars as well as changes its yeah. There are still are still Parts it on lost that I'm still trying to work out what we can do and how it can be better. But I guess that's part of the learning definite just not going to I'm going to know. Straight up until yeah. Work on it. Mmm. Yeah, and it sounds like it's coming from almost one of the first things and you said they came back to the bear the fundamentals and the basics is just getting that awareness and and Clarity around. How am I actually going right now? Yeah, you're right. It's so easy to get caught up in the day-to-day of life and not take that time to go. Am I feeling okay right now? I might not like what's going on for me? Yeah now so I Struggle to talk to the people close to me. Uh-huh. Like I can. if they ask me, I'm Olivia or yeah, I don't know why I just can't more so a stranger. I guess like them which is I guess a little bit odd, but it's almost because they're closer to home. Like I mean, maybe it's just being sort of laid out more into someone who doesn't really know and you don't really know it might not necessarily. See you again. Yep type thing. yeah, it's just I don't know why I do it. That's just the way I do it huh going back to Facebook. I sort of feel the same. I can sort of put it out there without feeling like I'm talking directly to someone Mmm Yeah, and even that might be something there for people listening to me like okay if I just start with identifying, how am I feeling right now? And then maybe it is as you said the Tipping Point of View, you know, I just had to get it out there somehow. Yeah putting up a Facebook post was the way that I felt Definitely a regiment comfortable to Dylan but you know able to get to do it in face of the discomfort. I mean, it's been feel better. Sometimes when I've done. Yeah. I'm just to call it writing a book and throw it away. Yeah, I got yelling see what similar typing in a way that everyone else reads it obviously yeah. Yes. I sort of put it up forget about it and move on. Yeah, I guess that's sort of one of my coat and beans as well. All right. Yeah, and I'm imagining with any of the Cobra things. You've identified the become the been identified by trial and error imagine like give it a go to work tonight. Okay and imagine even then some days that will work some days. It won't and it's being okay with that. You know, there's no one perfect fix. It's a magic pill. Yeah. It's just working trying to do what works on that day that little time for that. Just be getting it. Yeah. Yeah, so if you were to I'm going to put you on the spot on this one. If you were to leave our listeners and our audience with any thought writing message either started asking the recently if you had five minutes to share a message with everyone in the world, what would it be? As light as a loan that you think you are, you're not, you know, everyone everyone has their own issues and problems and no one's perfect. But there is there is always that one. One Avenue where you think there's not that you're that is able to help, you know, whether your friend family doctor or whatever. There's always that. There's what yeah, there's always that like caring. Type figure that you can turn to like a stranger for me is always yeah, you don't need to be stuck in that hole. Oh. Fucking big pit of I'm not this is not right on. Okay. I'm all right. I'm okay. So there's always yeah always ways around and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah, mate. I want to yeah, thank you again and just recognize and appreciate liked your bravery and courage food. It sounds almost like saying that like I dream of a world where we Even have to say talking about mental health is a brave thing to do because it should be so we just another common and normal right s is like everyone's talking about it but in this day and age and this Society, unfortunately, it is a very brave thing to do to stand up and to be a voice for that and to be real and honest with people that how you feeling and I just want to recognize that and thank you again for coming in and sharing some of your story and sharing that with our listeners. He know that I appreciate it. once again, I just wanted to highlight recognize and thank Eric for coming in with just finished up this episode and I'm sitting here reflecting on it recognizing how much value was shared in there just from the perspective of Having that first person perspective in hearing Our Own Story really makes a difference as the as we spoke earlier. I know one that really stood out to me is these are conversations. We need to be having not just when we're struggling but also when with thriving and when we're feeling good because the more we have these conversations the more lives we can impact and change. So make sure you connect with our and go on to Facebook and search Sharon Edwards Fitness. We spoke about his posts a lot in this podcast episode he It does put out some amazing content that I think makes a huge difference and speaking of making an impact on people's lives. Remember that to make an impact it all must start with self. So make sure you're looking after yourself. Make sure you're investing back into yourself and you're taking proactive practical and fun steps forward in looking after your mindset and your well-being one way that you can do that. As I said earlier in the podcast is to check out the wellness Library. It's our free resource and free tool that's filled with Amazing amazing content to give you the knowledge the tools the tips the strategies that are needed to thrive in life. So follow the link in this week's show notes, you'll be able to sign up for free or also jump on the POC coach platform which includes all of that and some extra goodies that really make a difference. But until the next time we speak, you know, how we do this make an impact start with self and be you

In this week’s episode of the podcast I had the honour and privilege of sitting down with Aaron Edwards. I asked Aaron to come into the studio for his first ever podcast because I believe he is a shining example of someone who is standing up as a voice for conversations that need to be had more frequently in society. In the episode we dive into: - Aaron’s struggles with depression, anxiety and mental health - Why these conversations need to be had not only when people are struggling but when they’re happy as well - And we discuss Aaron’s hopes for the future of mental health in Australia. Out of all the interviews I’ve done as part of this show this one stood out to me as one of the most raw and vulnerable. As always this episode is available, alongside 100s of other podcasts, articles and videos, in The Wellness Library on PocketCoach. The Wellness Library is like having a Netflix that’s filled with content that is actually good for your life rather than a distraction from it. You can access 100s of articles, videos and podcasts all designed to help you develop your mindset and wellbeing so you can truly thrive in life. And the best part is, it’s 100% free.

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Let the buzz begin I am back with the panel. That's just causing so much trouble all around. I feel like we're in Roswell New Mexico right now. We have phone service though and reception and phone so and we have electricity which is a big difference. Thank God thank goodness. And thank goodness that you're all back today as we go over Roswell season 1 episode 4 where have all the Cowboy's gone. We're going to break it down for all of you and all of us at home Roses Store. Hospital the hospital's tail was great Cameron and master sergeant Barnes. That was very interesting Kamon Max then Max and Isabel. We're going to shift from Camden Mac Mac's to Isabel Max and Kyle Kyle and Liz that was some drama mama stereotypes as we talked to social commentary of CW always present our special segment. But this week's special segment is what scene made you the most mad because there were so many and we're going to get right into predictions as always. I have a wonderful panel of people right to my left. I am Tehran alongside, it's Jen. Once again, I'm back and I'm here to stay Grant to say I'm glad you're here to stay because I love the both of you and I'm George Khoury nice to be with all of you. Again. We were actually hoping you would rhyme too because T, we were doing that. I should have picked up a freestyle. I should've done something. You should have done something the way I feel like cause I move that pisode should have done something this episode. Was one that infuriated both of you George. What were your overall thoughts on the maddest superfan alive? Because this show seem contrived My overall thoughts y'all. There we go. Is that this? Okay Roswell New Mexico is my favorite show on TV. It is up until this episode. I felt there were four scenes and I felt the actors weren't is married to the lines as they were in previous episodes and it took me out of the moment as a viewer. Are you upset at the actors or at the Riders because sometimes when you look at let's say overall movies, if a movie is bad and actors usually good we say it's the writer director, but if the actors bad and it's in several movies, then you know, what factor which one was it in this case Tehran you say Kyle is not blue or is still blue and most people say it takes two. So I think it was the writers and actors in this episode that dropped the ball. I see that we can stop the rhyming thing now Max. Hello Max lover. Max lover. Listen Max over 85. Yeah, I like today's episode. I thought there's a lot of good interesting relationships developing and my boy, we're going to go into later I could see why you guys that was my episode started resonator. And if you're not familiar, it's because Jim is a Kyle fan which is why it was ironic and sardonic to call him Max lover 85, you're clearly team Kyle and Liz were shipping that as what again Kyla Kyla's Kyla's Kyla's are we shipping cost? Thank you. But I refuse to help with that shipping sure and on my side I have to say overall thoughts that I enjoyed this week's episode. But I also saw a lot of flaws. I saw a lot of flaws in the acting which I had not seen before it became very soap opera-like there were moments. And also we're going to get into a little bit of the stereotypes which also plagued my thoughts as I was watching with scenes where they were eating Churros pancakes and roses. I'm kidding, you know, I was like we need to discuss this CW CW usually does an excellent job of diversity and diversify and they did actually throw in a lot of social commentary in this episode which will also discuss let's jump into roses story because that was a major plot Point throughout tonight's episode with roses stored. And when I say that I mean first we started off with roses advice where she had clearly been hurt by somebody. ADI we don't know to the point where we're at Liz even turns and says Rosa who hurt you right who could have possibly hurt Rosa speaking on the who hurt you line. That was the first contrived line that I noticed for the first time Janine Mason who does such a wonderful job playing her character when she said that it just was too sudden. She didn't seem attached to what she was saying. It just came up like who hurt you in the middle of a very calm conversation and when she said that it opened up the In which led to the rest of the events of and I'm still wondering who her well George. I don't know anyone trying to tell me if you see a differently this storyline now with Rosa is like, who is she hooking up with or who she's with? There's so many guys being attached now to her that it's becoming another almost storyline in a different direction because now it's today's episode were talking about Kyle's dad potentially and then there's that was that Frederico Federico that egg stealer boyfriend there was a lot going on too many guys here involved. There's Max maybe in last episode. Let's straighten this out. There was a point where I actually thought Isabel might have been connected because of the hatred that Rosa had for Isabel and that's the one that transferred to Maria which we will discuss later in today's after show as well. But overall I was I was in agreeance with George where that line came off very contrived and Roses story. Become somewhat of a hindrance either. Let's focus on Rosa or let's not we're not getting enough of any one thing. Exactly. And why does the boyfriend matter so much besides a speculation of Max if we now know or it's perceived that an alien killed Rosa. So why are we so concentrated on the guy she was with well, it's because of the clues and we do get some Clues because the story goes on we realized Rosa who's been hurt and says something like people don't need other people and this is your this is your armor as she hands him a hands Liz address. We feel something has happened to Rosa. We don't know maybe tied to the Elder of the linty who was gone and can't can't defend it didn't defend himself. So we're gonna have to find out through Clues and context. We also see that roses ex-drug dealer Frederico and the father clearly hates him. He hates has got chased him out of there immediately the reaction. You saw the reaction in Spanish. It was so upbeat and that was booking it that far as as a son of immigrants. I kind of appreciated that moment. It's like something I had seen before that part exactly that part was that pot real people were writing. Oh, that's stereotypical Mexican father No, actually that's that was a realistic portrayal. We're shooing away. Whoever that boy is especially especially with the connection of drugs and with Rosa, right this this is not a person that Liz's father takes kindly to at all. Hmm bad news Freddie get him out of here. But Frederick go came through because he's also the one who's going through the 12 steps and sobering up and getting his life on track and has the backpack that leads to more clues for for Liz and out of the actor's name. But acting well done on Federico's and Rico was excellent if his goals a character was to come across as sincere and authentic. I felt that from him completely. Yeah, he was solid. I'm curious to see what role he's going to play going down the road. Was it a one-off in a sense where he just brings the the whatever backpack and she shows up with a message Place some roll down the line. I wouldn't see him in next couple episodes, but maybe he has some purpose also, so I'm thinking they gave him enough screen time tonight to justify another appearance for it's possible and we're going to have to find out hopefully you'll throw that out and predictions when when Michael and Isabel and Max got together, they brought up a little more part of of roses story when they they were like basically Rosa was killed by an alien and she will learn everything. Yes. They it's almost like there's this conspiracy. We've decided not to dig we promised we wouldn't look in any more into this Rosa Rosa was killed by an alien, but they say it in a you know vernacular which makes it seem it's not one of them. Yes, and that's that's what really has me thinking as a cliffhanger almost and I'm Wondering what else do they know that they may not be telling each other inside that unit. It almost made me think do they have all the facts or do they not? Yeah. That's a good point. Like they might know more George you think there's a chance that someone on this show is an alien that we don't know and they know about it. If anyone's gonna be an alien, let's be real. It's going to be me. You knew me. So the ship crashes there are three eggs is what I like to call them. I forgot the well there are multiple a these are the three that survive survive perhaps there is a chance that one more did survive which is funny because we see that Grant who's spews all these conspiracies. He's actually kind of right when he says things. I don't mean he obviously doesn't know that but he's kind of right every time he says something in a way there is some truth to what he's saying. He has a funny look in his eyes and might be him. Shit, man, I I would highly doubt. Yeah, that would be the best twist that would cover that guy. Oh, yeah, so Roseau walked away because she hated Isabel. I thought there might have been some tension between them sexually or something, but that's not what the show led to it. Just at that moment the way that they were portraying it. What do you think the beef between Rosa and Isabelle keep oscillating significant? Probably I'm thinking it's Kind of high school thing where she was the popular one and maybe Isabel wasn't and she holds is about was popular. But yeah, this is what was yeah and Roosevelt wasn't thanks for correction. And there's there's still kind of going with that and since Rosa died already probably didn't you know, they're at a stage now where wouldn't matter but they still held on to that whole popularity possibly because there's nothing else I can think of that would really be at stake that they suggest at least. Here's what I could think of Jim. So we see the episode open with rooms. Osa telling her younger sister Protect Your Heart Right your that's why there's a cage or armor around your heart. So being the bigger sister looking out. What if Rosa is onto the entire Liz and Max situation and she's suspect also, which we've seen in previous episodes that Isabel gets a little weird around Max and we're questioning what the relationship really is. What if what if Roosevelt? That Isabel was moving in on her sisters Rome at romance with Max. That's what that's where I'm headed with this. I mean, that's an interesting Theory right now. I don't know if we clearly we don't know so L never got a doors. It's all my stores actually very viable at this point because things have happened in this in the series where what? We thought we knew we did not know simply for the fact that we was Max the killer or not the killer we thought for a Might have been then we realize that he's not now it's looking like it in the big reveal that it might be Michael. We don't know there's a lot we don't know try and do you think you're doing too much confusion? Like literally there backpedaling and going forward to a point where they're just like confusing the audience. There's so many twists and turns a lot of plot. There are a lot of loopholes in the plot and that's one of the things when we discuss writing and we talk about the fourth wall of the show where we take ourselves out of Roswell, New Mexico the show and now go into Roswell, New Mexico to So production there are a lot of loopholes is it because it's the first season is it because they're trying to reboot a show that's already been done. So well and has has captivated the hearts and minds of so many people already. I think it's a little bit of both and possibly it seems that the show is trying to do too much. Yeah and and adding on to that. I noticed more pop culture references. We had the Regina George and then the Mean Girls we even had References back to Sarah Palin we had references to Trump in Puerto Rico throwing the paper towel. So they're really adding a lot to try and ramp up and I think it's doing so a little too much because I enjoyed the natural atmosphere of Roswell and trying to make it erase your show or more quote interesting show is kind of taking me out of this story in the world of Ross will well in in effect with roses Story the backpack Did you feel like this came out of nowhere? I did I was I was confused by the backpack widen Federico have his backpack for yeah. Why is she holding on for 20 years? No, no doubt about the way that the clues are all just left. Some of them are people holding onto things neatly tucked into a cave and stuff. It was roses whole intent to make this treasure hunt for a search for her. It's almost she strapped a crime search. She said a toilet. It's snowing so many Clues now and demise and like really Point where Frederico has like a big item of hers for all these years it did. She really anticipate Liz going to him at some point and him not going through that stuff as in why didn't you read the stuff and go who is this guy? What is this about? What? Hey, he should be asking Liz question. Yeah, you have a decade to Dawn hundred percent and then of course the twist of Kyle's dad possibly being the one who was hooking up with Rosa because of the note that was in the backpack and wrote and Liz, of course. Going through every year book to try to basically analyze the handwriting and finding it and saying it matches the matches that Valenti's handwriting that's like soap opera. So this is morning daytime soap opera this point where you just like going way off base with this whole father thing. I thought that was just too far at this point is becoming comical like and she's what kind of what kind of damn your book is. She finding them to match the father's right to it what Sheriff Writing and I can see that congratulations of just two minds. Why does everything lead to a sexual situation and and you know what, maybe the village is small so people got to get it in they all that much. They mean there's references. There's not a lot to do around here. But we like the show let's get this clear. We really like the show and I love the show. Yeah, you know love the show. I like the show and it's show that I'm very enthusiastic about and that's why this episode was a little eating because it was on a pace. We had given it enough time. We've given its suspension of belief. We done all the steps and then this one particular episode took a turn where it became its own stereotype of this show. It became a stereotype of of the show and that's what we want to avoid. We want it to stay Encore on course. We didn't get a lot of things that we Liked the Roses storyline is we like these kind of story lines. We've seen them with Thirteen Reasons Why and things of that Nature and right but those suck particularly to the plot line and this one just goes all over the place. There's so much happening. And this roses story overall. How did you feel about Rosa story? I'm just losing more and more interest every week at this point. I'm just more interested into relationships and exactly and celery and who cares about Rosa anymore, like really we know this cares about it, but who else really cares about it when they're starting to lose us as an audience because it's going really off course. Lee and I hope that you one thing we care about is all of you at home, we would never want to lose you as an audience because we actually really enjoy you so thank you so much for participating and watching. Yeah, and we need your help. Thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk but we can always use your help and we need to so when you guys are checking outside and YouTube subscribe, we want you to comment also that really helps. We love interacting reading your stuff what you're thinking about the show so we can then go together and kind of talk about the Ends, and if you're listening to us on iTunes, give us a five star rating. We appreciate that and we can use that. So we appreciate all the interaction and you guys are doing and we just wanted to thank you and being part of AfterBuzz for me and being on this platform and talking to you guys has been a great experience and being able to interact with the audience. I just feel like it's made me talk about a show. I probably wouldn't have watched. Otherwise and really makes me grow as a commentator and someone that talks about it. So we need your help. Thank you for all the help. And just subscribe give us a ratings and comment. Thank you so much Jim. I don't like you but I do like the show hot do like a fella, you know, what's really great about having three guys discuss. What should be in essence a teenybopper demographic of like a female demographic show. We talked about the show where enthusiastic about the show and we also make it sound like we're Sports commentating at the same time when Roosevelt is the ball. What did you think Jim? And I'm bald exactly and I think there were A couple fumbles in this episode is really what it comes down to let's go to the hospital storyline. Where of course after last week. We see Max is knocked out all of the Power and the town and he's he's bringing supplies, but he knows what he did was wrong and it's hurtful to this town. The hospital is without power and if you know anything about hospitals being without power, they should have backup generators. However, a hospital without power is basically a death trap. We need power and we see The hospital Story come to play where there's a kid. This Victor kid Victor Franco who needs a new pacemaker because his pacemaker was out because one of the lights was out in there the car crash Liz's father has what looks like a heart attack, but it turns out to be symptoms of diabetes that come to play and of course Max touches the generator and the power just goes back up. He gets shocked back, but the power that goes back up Hospital storage too much. Hey, it was like gyro, huh? Yeah, it was just like stops going out and people are dying and you know Max becomes the hero because he brings the power back to it, but it wasn't the hero right because Kyle keeps bringing up how you're not a hero. My father was a hero and he did try to play the hero exactly tried to play here on then you see him get that shock. That's what involved in a moment do it in the first place. Yeah, and it's called speech and and I don't know if I missed it and previous episodes, but it becomes very clear that Kyle knows exactly what Max is. Power is to me at least when that he to me. I think he knows that Max healed Liz from the bullet shot and he does and he lives his specifically told Guy exactly and it was he was testing him. He was saying, you know, you're not going to do anything and there was a tension and we to play God exactly. You said you said I can't play God all the time and you see Max, it's almost this moment where we see Kyle needing Max for the first time most of the time he's Trying to destroy Max. So I and I saw a dichotomy of him now needing him and it was interesting to see Kyle in a vulnerable place almost asking his opposition for help and what we see is I thought that Max was going to reach over and he will the kid but for hangs I thought that too that he's going to have to the touch the risk and but then that was pretty that was where the clever writing was to run downstairs in the way it led into having his partner Cameron see the handprint. I thought that was cleverly. Written and a good scene in that part. I was confused that he was not it was a good ending to a kind of a messy scene in some ways. You had to interaction between Kyle and Max and there. I just don't know why they put that kid as a pawn in a sense. They used him kind of to have their little confrontational but emotionally manipulative. Yeah. I think it was a pacemaker. It doesn't play unless this kid comes back in unless he has some say we need for Draco to how it played to me from my view was that This kid represented Kyle's attachment to his community and care for the people and basically alienating the alien and saying you're an outsider you don't really care about the people you might have killed the people here get out. That's a great way to look at it George. I will allow that point Q for me personally because that's a great way to look at it. I just think that they also try to use us with this kid. He was born in the ditch. And yeah, there's a sob story. Maybe he was just born could it have been possible that he's just a kid and he needs a heart and that's as far as we go but no it needs to they drenched that the the water out of the stone what that story what about the part where we're in the hospital the confrontation with Kyle and Max work? I'll just walks away. That was the when I was like that's bad acting bad acting and we saw other scenes to wear again. The actors weren't attached to their lines and I'm starting to wonder where they rush in this episode because this episode was more dialogue heavy whereas the other ones are more action heavy and part of me thinks, you know, you're filming your in the season and now you're giving this dialogue heavy script you have X amount of time to film and that's where I think the disconnect could be. There are more lines in this field, but it works to what the episode because it was so soap opera she you know in that sense, so I guess the acting played into it so if we're going by that But then it kind of works like that acting is more natural and especially in here's where I say see them do better everything. We've seen these actors on other shows. And so we know they do better Max is Max on every show. That's the kind of guy named Max. He's just a nice guy though. He's a good Batman, right? So he's the nice guy. He's the Bruce Wayne most of the time however, and he's always the hero but on the other situations Janine Mason is a newer actor where She was a dancer before and now she's an acting in this is and such a good breakout role and in her defense. She's to me she's done very well up to this episode or a few moments. She's done very well. I usually I'm on board. I know it's a CW Show. I know what I'm in for and I've been actively on board with this. I really like how Michael was being portrayed Isabel Isabel Rock total Rock start Isabel a character is so consistent and you see this Illness in her acting in the look in her eyes the depth of character Isabel to me that character is nailed. There's not one moment where I've ever felt I agree. It's been a slow burn with her. She hasn't said much and Sully has been rising Rising today. She had more dialogue more Scene. So it's we're seeing a natural progression with her and we enjoy and you know what to be honest. I don't even like Isabel as an actor. It's not that I've seen her and other things but I just don't like her there's something about her that naturally doesn't sit well with me and yet as an Actor itself. I'm like wow, you are very good extremely good. I believe her name is Lily cowls and very good actor. Yeah. I've nothing bad. I haven't detected anything. Maybe the only thing I would say is that she isn't playing this super lovable character in the episode. That's how good it and that's why we got to give her even more brownie points. She's taking the more dramatic less like Troll and still me as a viewer. I'm just totally engulfed every time she's on screen. Well someone we all find All the time is Max Max's putting on an act especially when it comes to cam. Does Max like cam what's going on in that situation. He needs cam at this point. He's losing the grip of Liz and now the desperation is coming in. So we sing desperate Max again and Sully he's starting to make up to cam and be more available to her. I'm noticing that change. He's picking his Lane now when he's noticing that options going to be moving away. So he's He's trying to hang on to camp and he's pushing himself hard Jim to go in that direction. I will say that cam is less of a rebound and more of a Band-Aid to Max. Wow, odds are stacked against Max. He the Healer needs healing and in his position now his partner in crime. He's been working with her as a sheriff. So they've probably been in situations where she's had his back and taking the bullet for me. It's scary what's going to happen? Because you know it could um, All the different way, but as of now she is his conduit. She is his Insider who's not an alien who is on his side who is going to help heal the wound of Liz leaving him for Kyle. I mean, we'll see. We'll see how that plays out. I did like how you said it's not the Escape or the rebound but abandoned man, that's really good. Great stuff. Does this cam? No Max, isn't he an alien in separate scenes? Let's look at the beginning the middle. And the end of this episode beginning scene. I felt that cam was viewing Max as a player as a player. Oh, yeah, because she went off on him. She went off he joined your date. He ran off with Liz so she's like, oh you play me you're gonna have to make up with it with the dinner and wine date something a little more high end towards the middle. I felt like she was joking. She still said no regular case and he is and just don't worry. I wrote that one down Okay, so Tequila and three orgasms you once three of them which again we see some requests the queso tequila churro pancakes. Are we stretching a little bit because they are they are in Roswell, New Mexico so are so it's a New Mexico New Mexican lifestyle, which they're trying to insinuate and show. All right. So what will give it a pass there the second scene you see I felt a growing suspicion but still not completely. It was no second scene that I she She stood up to Master Sergeant Barnes. Yeah, and she kind of played it off. Oh, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, but why are you covering? If you don't know something? Yeah, there was a she knows fishing, but she you know, Janet Cameron strikes me as a very smart person. So in the last scene where she saw the handprint and it all connected, I'm like, oh no she knows she knows she knows the handprint, right Jim. She's a badass and so many ways. She's clever smart and you can tell when they're together. She's kind of running the show. He's Are playing the the backseat when I heard they're doing anything. She always even in previous episodes. You know, when those guys those drunk guys at they were shooting the gun and the can't like she took charge and she takes charge of every situation that there with I'm she might be hiding his secret in a way. Maybe she knows she got come for I think maybe it got confirmed with the what the yeah. I told her welcome for lightning print. Yes. Hey got confirmed yet. He had to have had a an inkling something is going on. But that confirmed it at least to a degree to a higher degree. I feel like I was actually very intrigued that Cameron at served. Yeah, I think that kind of gives her puts on a level with Alex right that they're both look exactly like a local Town Hero. No one knew because not only is Cam kind of new to the town, but she hadn't even advertise it to the point where Master Sergeant Barnes had no idea but it gives her character more credibility that she even now kept it in and she didn't announce said she's got a lot of a lot of good qualities that I kind of Pride and toughness to her dad. She doesn't go around and advertise and I kind of liked that about her. I'm glad her character got more shine this episode through the locket. She became another one of my very likeable character very likeable. I've always liked her another. She was in The Originals as Freya the oldest sister and I always just kind of liked her what I mean, but Isabelle is how I didn't really just I just don't taik to her. I did really take to this. That's a seamless click exactly. It's something that I like about I like about her. I don't know exactly what it is. Maybe it's not even just just Riley volt. Khalil is her name. It's not just looks it's just his career me. There's an energy to her. She says she's places toughness. You can tell through her acting like she knows how to portray strength and power. Yeah, and with good look because usually character like that someone that looks that good can be misconstrued as like, oh she just a pretty face. Are we shipping Cam and Max? Is there something there? Is there what we want or because clearly we're going Liz cam is the way to go right? I mean Liz Max, what are we calling Max Liz what? Calling that will go well your college. I had I had the had the limb Max because it sounds like flavorful so Lomax, right? So we're shipping lemax, but what about the helium atoms? Such a rider die. Can I dare something but up until the scene where she's drinking wine with main. I'm like, oh because when she stood up and I saw your reaction to run out you were taking it back how she was like, yes, sir. So right away there was this tension and then earlier in the episode you're saying Oh Max email from mine wine. And here you are with main drinking Master Sergeant Barnes. Yep, so I'm thinking maybe a my is there a twisty or she going to roll off of Max now that she suspect I don't think there's such a sexual interest with Master Sergeant Barnes and Cameron doesn't come off as one with daddy issues. I think that there is a hierarchy that is programmed into you. Yes, and is respected and is Noble when you Irv, and there is some type of authority respect that she gives him that even better read and I feel that's going to be the breaking point of Cam and Max especially as he needs her he needs her so you can get I mean let's let's talk about their interaction because that one came up twice in the beginning where she wants him to respect her as she mentions be serving in order to gain that respect. Yes in I'm also a I'm also a vet. I've been through it. I know get that connection. And then later of course Master Sergeant Barnes comes in and does what he always does tries to blackmail her with Charlie who we need to find out more about who is Charlie. I don't know we I didn't get a clear understanding of the truth who Charlie is now and what his itches. It sounds like a drug problem of some sort could be in my opinion cams little brother. That's what I was thinking. Hello brother now, which is why she would We understand why Isabelle and Max are so close because she has her own little brother in a situation that goes on that's what I was getting but we didn't get that you no one else would be as important to her. She could really be in jail. Yeah. It's got to be a family member has to be something in that nature. Let's get the max and Isabel. We've talked about a little but let's get really into that meat of Max and Isabel. One thing very interesting to me is that Max didn't know Isabel's power that what that caught me so off. Yeah weird. And the only thing I that I can conclude is that maybe Max doesn't know Isabel's power because Isabel's been hiding it from Maxwell clearly. That's what it is. Yeah, she didn't want and acts to know about her initial thing with Liz and hiding it because of the little exactly because it'll is situation. So she's sitting here thinking like, oh, I'm about to play Max he can't know and I'm doing it for his better best interest because she's been playing regardless of this weird connection, which will hopefully find out she does Play this older sister protective role to Max and part of that is not letting him know the power so she could control his environment around him. I mean, I just thought it was weird that yeah, and he wasn't more inquisitive. How when did you find out? How did you know you had how come you never brought this up to me before she just asked about I mean what everyone Max is just so passive and in this situation Jim you hate that you just don't like Max. He's so Bolivia. Yes, so Kyle, huh? And we didn't get a lot of Michael this episode. We got my goal, but we didn't get in the Michael. Especially we didn't get any Michael Michael Alig Noel had all just disappeared and now you're reintroduced reintroducing the Ascension then again, we didn't see any of Noah either so we didn't see any of we had an illusion when Maria was reading Isabel's hand to the husband which was a hole deep, but we haven't really getting it and gotten into the Noah situation except for last week. I thought Did anyone else feel something between Michael and Maria there was like a little bit of flirt could have been and maybe she's oblivious to the fact, but maybe we maybe he did I sexual I don't beat doesn't have to be could have been something like high school maybe years ago. I'm thinking nothing recent. It felt like there was something I felt something. I'd love to know if you guys at home felt a little little something and remember I we love hearing your comments on everything. We discuss you are very much a part of this panel as much as we are if not more so Let's talk a little Max and Kyle. We talked about their confrontation at the hospital. Let's that's not the only conversation. They really had they had another confrontation when Kyle walks out a Liz's which from a protest from a production standpoint was painstaking to watch the fruit the predictable framing on that low angle, like they're totally isolated and now they're going to walk into each other whoever was on set and said, okay now walk. It was just so obvious. How did they not see each other from before like all of a sudden? Oh, well, he's so bad. Well, here's the thing George. We know that Max is such a creep because he's always around Liz think he's doing that. He's always around. So there's no doubt that he be around her place the the crashdown café by the way good to good name for a place where the scene actually because the did crash down. But yeah now he's like stalking in a sense Kyle wherever Kyle is Max shows up. That's what I think in this case. It was where Liz was and Max true shows up. So they were in a bedroom. Is that attached a - she got a plan? Okay, so that's weird. Is that also where the father resides? Yes, because I found it very interesting that one second. Kyle's in the hospital trying to help your dad and the next second. He's trying to have or having sex. Well that we get there. We'll get to those Max. We'll talk about that but the concept of the confrontation between between Kyle and Max and their talk and they had this very important talk. We're why Kyle became a doctor as for the glory he watched his father be a whore a hero and then I called him a whore because of what happened with Rosa but father be a hero and he wanted the glory and then boom what but that's not why you became a cop is it and challenging his manhood constantly and he but here but he admits it and says no, so what is his motive? That's what do you guys think is his motive I'm asking y'all because I really don't know what this pain Max is motive. For all this I guess is maybe the hope the long-standing hope that Liz will come around and that he's kind of no, I'm not playing a long game that long were Liz. We don't know this guy you've been desperate for her for years, but I'm doing that it's not just is it to run? Would you suspect that is a sense of guilt that hey. I'm an alien and alien killed this person or impact the community. I think I may try to make the gating or I'm going to help but in a very Jim you And he's very passive. Yeah, I'm passively helping because I'm a cop. I originally saw participant Injustice, but there's something deeper and I can't wait to find out what that deeper is really need to know. Well, let's talk about something. We've been waiting to talk about Kyle and Liz. Hey, I'm going to start as a mop boy. First of all props to you Kyle out there. I knew this moment was going to happen so proud so proud of this guy man. This is my guy and he finally delivered on what I've been saying all along this was gonna happen. If you're the creep Jack, have you ever thought about that moment my guy calling from day one? I knew him and Liz got a thing together. She just can't listen Kyle is the good doctor that is his house Nick doctor, but he's a very attractive man takes off his shirt just caramel and Liz a shirt off quicker than its. I mean, he's good-looking. It's a it's an attraction for sure physically. Is there an emotional attraction she trusts him she Him and she says to Kyle you make me feel safe. Yeah, and she says to mechs you make me feel terrified good writing good writing that hold on. Let's examine that safe and terrified safe maybe love but it's not in love terrified feels like within loved all the others. So let's talk about a real quick there and maybe that is why she keeps branching like Kyle's the obvious answer almost in some situations for yes, but she keeps sneaking off to Max to run good read. They exactly that's I'm terrified of stuff sobral in the booth. Yeah. Well that went over my head. She never makes me feel safe. So the so that's true and the safety could be And a beer goes down, but but you do see that there's a bet there's a history. We learned that today. There's a history where in high school they were in an actual relationship. So when we knew that they were dating that was his her high school sweetheart in episode 1 and 2. No it was that deep where the father had a thing against him and stuff like that exactly. There was some sort of Kyle starting to appear to be the Sin, with everything shifting and changing around Liz Kyle's the constant and that's why she feels safe and Kyle is now starting. I can't I only say good job doctor. He starts saying Kyle. Kyle is starting to seem like the better choice. Yes, obviously, that's a good doctor has hurt you your shipping shipping can't believe I'm saying it called it. I think that Kyle understood and used the situation. With Liz knew that she was vulnerable. Hey, he's not motivated. He did he was like look, this is how you are. We're grown-ups. Let's get it in now. He'd be Brian didn't say that. I didn't he said we're going up. So let's let's just say it'll be a cool thing. Yeah, she was on board with n plus they've known as didn't bring it up. Kyle brought it up Liz it took a second of convincing. It didn't take that long. It wasn't that much but there was Kyle just said, hey, we're grown-ups. We should get it in. It'll get Mind off, it'll pass time. Let's do it butter on Liz initiate it in the car few episodes ago. Remember she first came out when she first came back. So now he can do it. I mean she already showed her cards back then we're steaming that's how consent Works jump naughty. That's clearly. Let's be very Frank Liz gave consent in the situation and was a willing and more amazing participant and so was Kyle because she compliments him. I might have to retract my shipping because sieron just reminded me the line that was used was let's this will help time pass exact time pass exactly. It's you know, there's a lot going on. So what's going on also includes the fact that Max comes in shortly after that and predictably no comes in and we know Max knows more about what's going on, but here Liz doesn't say anything and this actually this was one of those times where Liz doesn't say what just happened they Her and Kyle Just Had Sex. She knows how Max feels Max brings up his feelings and says I need to know how you feel and she still holds back bam. She crush him crushing. That was it. She took it out. That was a gut punch right there because here's the guy spilling out his cards again at that keeps on going through the theory that Max is a pushover. He gives it away again. I love you, and she just like well I can't do that that just tells if that happens in a relationship any sort of thing. It's game over that is a game is over. So I felt if you see her body language, she's saying no, but she didn't move a little towards him and I think that that's a lyric in a song. That's lyric and it's not where we have daycare. Let's not bring up that song but body's telling me that song doesn't exist. So on Spotify least so when she's saying that the reason why I'm interpreting she's holding back is because she isn't It's all about Rosa here. It's not about her not wanting Max per se it's her loyalty to her sister and her Mission she brings up. I'm observing. I'm finding facts. She brings that she almost blurred set out because she's letting her subconscious surface. We aren't reconciled until I know for sure and I believe you 100% that you're telling the truth about my sister and that I know what happened to my sis. Well, we know that Liz has the ever consummate investigator. She is going to find out eventually what And to Rosa she's investigating. She's getting clues. She's going to stay. I don't like the back and forth of her staying and leaving Roswell as you can see how much like you're going to stay. Your Dad's sick. Come on. We know you're going to say what I did not know is that Michael was going to flat out say I'm going to take the charge. Thank you. I don't have anything Goin you guys have so much. I'm going to take the charge and then says flat-out besides. I'm the one that killed Rosa did he was he just hitting that to make the Believe it. That's what I'm asking like did that that's like admitting to something that you know, you're not guilty of just for the sake of like, I don't know wearing the situation. I don't know there might be another there might be another alien out there. We have to find out. Yeah, I don't think he killed him. I just don't I was kind of a reaction like, okay, I'm gonna take Exile kill like eat there's no there's no thought to there's no sensitivity to it was just a reactive kind of response. He's taking one. For the team, so I don't know like all the rebel the Bad Boys more of a stand-up dude than we thought. He was find out one thing. I didn't believe we're a couple the stereotypes churro pancakes the Kid Ink and pieces of social commentary of George you brought up the paper towels and the all live. Mr. All lives matter. There was a couple pieces which we are of course used to on the CW we need to have a discussion if we feel that the CW does this too much or not enough, but that's going to be for a future show where it's very very heavy what we are going to do in this shows bring up our specials. Mean and which we pick a scene which made us hate the most. Let's start with George this scene that made me hate what the most anything. They just made me angry the most seen that just made me angry such a well produced show poor production call on saying okay, you walk go and making it so predictable when when Kyle and Max walk into each other totally took me out of the show. And in fact, I almost felt like Was like a producer on set assisting and almost telling them walk now. I did not like that at all Jim. I didn't like math continuing being a creep and just like let the Liz situation would Kyle happen, but no you have to be in front of the door. So traumatic on freaking for confrontation again, he's just he's just asking for it. He's literally asking for it constantly and then he got gut punch by Liz for spreading his love he did but job was to see That made me the most angry not the fact that Liz rejected Max not the fact that she denied his love but the fact that she had just had sex with the high up to Max. I was so mad. Like Kyle's dick is still on my grass and you're just talking a Mac and a close close proximity like it's nothing like he don't want Hair Shine doesn't so angry. I was mad Savage moves. Average homeboys Tehran wall, I agree with you and you know, I might be on your side of the court now for that being the worst scene. I'm just going to defend Liz and say that because you can't defend our we don't have time predictions. Let's jump into predictions. What's going to happen in the next episode or two George? I'll tell you what's gonna happen. Jenna. Karen is turning on Max completely. She's joining forces with the sergeant and his Forefront and I do think that Kyle and Liz are going to have a deeper level. They're going to go into deeper Dimension the relationship my boy he is I thought Harvey Dent all along the Good Samaritan that eventually is going to go bad and right. Now we're getting the good doctor version of him. Kyle is the Cog of this show. I'm telling you. He's the key to everything going on right now because she's key can turn I think we're going to see good. Dr. Kyle Harvey Dent version to face coming soon. You bringing up Harvey Dent. I did like the imagery of the girl who is in love with Bruce but chooses Harvey because he's safe even though she's in love with the other person. I would say that we get more secrets to come out. I think Michael does not actually Get the chance to confess. I think that I think that we see a lot more of Isabel and Maria. I think that storyline isn't over because we did see that and I'm starting to believe Maria as a psychic in some ways because of her read on Isabelle and saying you're afraid your husband doesn't want to he wants to have kids but your kids might turn out. I told y'all don't sleep strong and I also think that this show doesn't get a second season at least not the way it's going right now not yet fully even though Ratings are decent. Hopefully the show goes in a better direction for the next let me clarify that I do hope that that happens. I want to see another definitely this and I want to be on the same panel with y'all. We're gonna have a lot of storyline where can people find you if you want to be found find me at mr. 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Hosts Tehran Von Ghasri, Jim Alexander, and George Khouri discuss Roswell New Mexico Season 1 Episode 4 “Where have all the cowboys gone” as we learn much more about Rosa’s story, Kyle makes Max save the day, Cam is using her detective skills, and Kyle and Liz meet up after dark. All that and more. Stay Tuned. ROSWELL'S BACK!!!! We're so excited to have our favorite show back, so join the hosts each week break it down! From the past to the present, we'll bring insight and more to each episode. Join us for character discussions, plot breakdowns, and insider news and gossip! Subscribe and Comment to stay up to date on all things Roswell New Mexico! After a decade away from home, Liz Ortecho returns to her native Roswell to care for her ailing father. When she arrives, she reconnects with her high school crush Max Evans, who is now a police officer. Their chemistry is electric, but Liz soon learns something shocking: Max and his siblings are aliens who have kept their abilities secret their entire lives. As they grow closer, Liz struggles to keep the truth from her best friend Maria, and her high school ex, Dr. Kyle Valenti, but concealing the siblings' true identities is more important than ever, as a long-standing government conspiracy and the politics of fear and hatred threaten their lives.

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Sagittarius season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you and leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you.At their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. You were born in the place. You were born. If you know your birth information, you can find out what your rising sign is by getting a free natal chart on my website embodied astrology.com in the horoscopes. Section along with your horoscope. Make sure it'll take a listen to Heart of Sky a dark rift the embodied astrology episode for Sagittarius season where you can learn much more about the amazing sign Sagittarius as an energy in your chart and how to understand and work with it. You can find this episode links in the show notes from my website or as a separate track on your favorite listening Platforms in these horoscopes. You'll learn about how Sagittarius works for your son or your rising sign and I'll offer some suggestions for working with the new and full moons this month as well as a Other important planetary transits there is so much more going on with astrology and the next month though to learn about all of the planetary aspects and lunar phases this month. 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It has been in its retrograde cycle since October 11th, when it first passed the area of the sky that it returns to and its retrograde now is it turns direct? It has to reach reverse over that same area of sky and this period of time is called the shadow phase as mercury makes its final Passover this area of the sky and this part of your chart be on the lookout for insight and spiration Revelation and Listen to some of what Mercury retrograde might have stirred up for you Mercury is retrograde in the sign Scorpio. And Scorpio is always going to bring up our deeper emotional ties to certain circumstances. It's going to stimulate our kind of more subconscious psychology the place where we get tied up and attached to ideas to people to possessions Etc Scorpio for you rules your solar 10th house and this part of Chart has a lot to do with your career your vocation and your Ambitions and aspirations and the world over the course of the last couple of months consider what has been going on in these themes and these ideas. What have you been thinking about? What have you been feeling have there been places where you have been stalled confused uncertain as mercury moves into the remainder of its retrograde cycle again be on the lookout for inspiration and new ideas. Or maybe energy that starting to move that's been stuck or stalled over Mercury's retrograde Mercury will finish up this Shadow phase on December 7th. And then two days later on the nine that will move into Sagittarius. And of course the sun is there the sun moves into sad on November 22nd it Transit Sagittarius until December 21st. Sagittarius is an opportunistic optimistic enthusiastic. Loving adventure-seeking sign it wants us to open our minds expand our perspectives and get a move on Sagittarius rules your solar 11th house. The 11th house is associated to the larger impact and awareness of this world. So your impact and awareness of a larger social experience your networks the social spaces. And movements that are happening around you different causes who you are in a group. If you're a person who works with audiences or Public's the 11th house is directly Associated to those groups of people. This is also the part of the chart that is implied. When we think about Futures future hopes Future Vision future worries or doubts. This part of your chart is going to get expanded and in livened over the course of these next. Days with the Sun moving through this part of your chart and with Mercury here as well. There's a lot of energy for you to get out to be a little bit more social to expand your perspective on your social Mill use look for some new friends be open to new connections and being open is definitely a keyword with Sagittarius. You want to be open open minded open-hearted open with your general? Frosty this is a sign that definitely responds to our good-natured nests in our enthusiasm. Sagittarius is also a place where we can find Opportunities with the sun and Mercury here. It's a really good time for you to use Your vitality and to use your Communications to open some doors for yourself. Don't be shy to go. Say hi to someone new you'll never know who they might happen to be what door they might have. A hand on the handle with so be open be open minded and get out there now, especially on the new moon on November 26th. This is a great time to encourage growth and development in this part of your life. So a new moon is a growing phase from the new moon to the full moon. We are developing. We are cultivating. We are calling in carve some time and space out for yourself to honor this new moon typically the day of Of or the one or two days after are great days to sit down with a pen and paper write a little bit do a ceremony or ritual of some kind maybe just sit and breathe and Ponder. What do you want to cultivate when it comes to your friends? So your networks, who are you socializing with who are your groups? Are you happy in the groups that you have? Do you want to meet some new people? Do you want different kinds of friends? Are you inspired by the world around you? How do you want to participate in the world? What do you want your effect to be? What are your future goals your worries your desires, how can you move towards your goals and your desires and not towards your worries so call in your intentions on the new moon and build those intentions in the waxing cycle. And then on December 11th honor the full moon in Gemini 19 degrees. Of Gemini as a time to begin reflecting on your creative capacity your personal and authentic Expressions. Not what the group thinks but how you are really wanting to express yourself. What is unique and special for you from the full moon to the new moon during that waiting period that is a wonderful time for you to be releasing old news letting go of old ideas about Out the group about other people about their potential judgments about how you may or may not be in relationship with them great time for you to be letting go of worries fears and doubts about your future and kind of clearing space for more intentional focus and cultivation of what it is that you do want to be calling in a couple of other things going on this month on November 25th. Venus will move into Capricorn where it will Transit until December 20th Venus is the planet of love and value wherever it travels it brings increased aptitude for connection relational connection. It brings a heightened sense of beauty. It brings the desire for balance and Harmony and the magnetism to kind of be at peace and in a joyful space in our Jupiter enters Capricorn on December 2nd of 2019 and it stays in Capricorn until December 20th of 2020. So a little bit more than a year. This is a big moment and the significant moment in astrology news Jupiter has a slower orbit than some of them more personal planets and as it comes into Capricorn and embarked on this year long Transit it's going to set off. Some other important planetary motion with the longer term slower-moving planets particularly those that are in Earth and water signs. So Jupiter's entry into this part of your chart is stimulating what I call the kind of invisible ineffable liminal space in the chart some astrologers call this the place of self and doing it's where we lose track of our separate selves. It's where Connect with intuition it's where we are influenced by the environment and the world around us usually quite unaware of those influences so we can think of our environmental sensitivities or energetic sensitivities in this part of the chart. We can also connect with dreams with spiritual guidance Etc. So Jupiter and Venus both coming into this part of your chart are bringing benefic positive. Joyful Vibes here. This is a great time. For you to really reach out to the invisible Realms make a petition to your Spirit guides ask them for their support align yourself with your sacredness with your spiritual Essence. Remember that there's so much in this phenomenal world that we cannot perceive our eyes only perceive a tiny fraction of all available light our ears only perceive a tiny fraction of all available. There are so many other dimensions are constantly moving and working all around us that we are for the most part totally unaware of except for sometimes we might feel something and don't really know where it comes from. So sometimes we can cultivate these gifts and working with your intuition working with your connection to Spirit or Source working with connections to your guides to your ancestors. These are wonderful ways to cultivate debate these gifts working with your dreams is another way working with any practices that can kind of inspire or trigger your your intuitive kind of automatic mines like automatic writing or free drawing or something like that. These are all great ways to access this realm so I definitely want to encourage you to explore And especially when it comes to your health and to your well-being I do want to just share the message that the more that you can get in touch with sacredness within your own being and within the world around you the more your health and your well-being are supported in all ways. Finally on November 28. It is the national day of mourning also known as Thanksgiving Day in the United States. I would love to Of to encourage all of my listeners to make a financial donation to indigenous LED organizations on Thanksgiving day and maybe to set up monthly recurring donations for all of 2020 and maybe even longer. So I've recently set up a donation to indigenous environmental Network. They're an amazing Network. That's entirely indigenous LED. They do a lot of really important work with advocacy and Education and of course the environment check them out ien Earth dot o-- r-- g-- there is so much more astrology happening this month. There's a lot for you to stay up-to-date with in terms of planetary transits and lunar cycles. You can learn all about it by becoming a subscriber you can subscribe by donation at any amount per month that embodied astrology.com and you will have access to my extended monthly forecasts and my principal All astrology calendars so you can work with astrology in your day-to-day definitely make sure to take a listen to the embodied astrology podcast for Sagittarius season. I go in depth in that episode to Sagittarius and it's embodied energy how we can access it and work with it in our lives. It's a really profound and amazing energy. If you enjoy these horoscopes and podcast, please share them with your friends and Community. Thank you so much for listening and wishing you all the best. Best in Sagittarius season and Beyond bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Sagittarius Season in 2019. Sagittarius Season extends between November 22 - December 21. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Heart of Sky, a Dark Rift - Embodied Astrology for Sagittarius Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Sagittarius and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Sagittarius represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Sagittarius season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here: Get the Sagittarius Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Welcome to Ghost of a podcast. I'm your host Jessica Lange yato. I'm an astrologer psychic medium and animal communicator and I'm going to give you your weekly horoscope and no bullshit mystical advice for living your very best life. Welcome back to Ghost of a podcast. This question is from Psychic Sally and she says I would like to know if you can see anything in my chart pointing to psychic abilities. And if so how to hone them a my intuition I grew up in a moderately religious Irish family where we stuff was not accepted and mocked of you that I held two before I moved away from home and could for my own opinions and beliefs ever since I've strongly identified with astrology as it has helped me through some very difficult times and helped me to Your stand and improve myself. I feel like I've been at a wobbly turning point for some time now and want to know whether I should pursue spiritual and creative path instead of my corporate job. Thank you so much for all the work. You do. You are an inspiration to me on a daily basis and you have helped me so much already in so many ways as I am sure you have many others. Thank you so much for all the work. You do love psychic Sally so psychic Sally was born July 8th 1993 at 1415 and Dublin, Ireland so psychic Sally love. Your question. Thank you for sending it. Thank you for the love as a person. Who is I am a psychic medium. I have psychic abilities and mediumship abilities. These are different abilities and psychic ability the way I usually describe it to people is it's kind of like having a really excellent Wi-Fi connection. You just have amazing Wi-Fi and you have access to this world wide web of information now, it doesn't mean that you're on all the websites of the world. Consuming all the contents of the world all at once. No, it doesn't being psychic doesn't mean you know, everything. It doesn't mean you can know everything or certainly all at once. What it means is you have access to data now astrologically there are different ways of looking for psychic ability because there's so much stigma around psychic ability and there's so much confusion about what it means and all that kind of stuff. I think that it's important for me to just take you through a little walk. Walk through my kind of take on these things in my view and different astrologers made approach this in different ways. Pluto is the planet that governs like straight up psychic ability. I just know things. I just like know things from deep in my guts Pluto is one of the planets also a Saudi associated with mediumship abilities. Now Neptune is associated with Clairvoyance clairaudience clairsentience that kind of stuff and what all of these things are clairvoyance clairaudience. Sentience is there different ways of receiving information. Some people have pictures that they receive that they just kind of know stuff visually some people smell things some people have a sense of like it is a strong sense in their physical body. This is related to being an empath which is really different than being a highly empathetic person. Right and it is really different in meaningful ways. Uranus can be associated with kind of like precognition. Just knowing things. Yes, and I would say Jupiter is the gift of sight. So all of these different outer planets can be associated with those different kinds of psychic or intuitive ability. Now, I am of the minds that all humans have psychic ability. It's actually a part of being a human but we live in a way that actually inhibits that I also believe that theoretically everyone could sing or everyone could run a marathon but to get me to run a marathon. No, we're takes so much work and effort that I'm probably never gonna damn do it. And please don't tell my partner to sing me a song because I don't want to hear it. Well, we might all have access to parts of the human condition or human nature for all of us. It's going to be more organic or easy to do certain things than others. That's an important thing to say. So while I think yes, everyone has the capacity to be psychic or intuitive. I don't think everyone should do the work. To do that. I don't think it's necessary. But I do want to say that the idea that it's like Supernatural I guess conventionally speaking it is but it really it's just it's just part of using your brain. You know, I really just think it's part of using your brain is just using your brain in a way that is very difficult for most people now, I got to tell you my love's I have a ton of questions in my inbox from people who've asked me the same thing. Someone told you or many people have told you that you're psychic or that your intuitive and you're scared or I want to make it work or you don't want to make it work or you want evidence and when someone says you could be a really great singer or they say you could be a really great psychic. It's the same thing. It's a their interpretation of you. It's be them seeing something in you that they see you have a choice to cultivate or not. It's something that's kind of hard to put your finger on. Right? And so the problem is because of the stigma around psychic ability people tend to kind of freaked out about it. And I think that's an important. Portent thing to acknowledge. I think it's also really important to acknowledge being psychic doesn't mean you're a good person being intuitive doesn't mean you're kind being an empath doesn't mean you're empathetic. It doesn't mean you're compassionate. These are not equal to each other. My love's wouldn't it be cool if it were like that wouldn't be cool. If everyone who had the inclination and ability to be really good at business with just organise services that met the needs of the people, but that's not how it works having skills. And having gifts is not equal to the choices an individual makes with how they'll use those skills and gifts and I think sometimes and people equate. I am at empathetic with I am a Kind and Generous person and these things are not equal. It'll be great. If they were you can certainly make them equal but they are not inherently equal to each other. So now to you psychic Sally when I look at your chart, also, there's a lot of things that pop up that would make me think. Yes. Sure. Absolutely. Do you have the capacity to cultivate psychic or intuitive skills? You have a moon in Pisces makes you very Sensi deeply Sensi. Now that sensitivity is very emotional the problem with that is it's not objective. It's subjective and what that might mean is you might pick up a lot of data about the people in your lives, but not as much about strangers you might need to feel an emotional connection or sense of identifying with the person you're talking to in order to get reliable. Data, if that's the case, that's you know, not bad or good unless you're trying to make your living at it in which case it's a bit of a liability, right? You also have a Neptune Uranus conjunction in Capricorn and in your individual chart Uranus and Neptune both opposed your sun and mercury and this indicates a tendency towards being really intuitive having really permeable Aura in other words being able to feel into other people. So I I would and this is a little bit semantics but I would actually differentiate that from psychic ability when push comes to shove when it all boils down to its kind of all the same. But in fact, it's quite different. It's kind of like if you tell me you're a singer. I don't need to know if you're a baritone or Ash Music town because I don't know the difference. I hear you're a singer until you kind of get the weeds with it. I don't know how how important it is for you to know that your intuitive versus psychic, but for you having a strong sense of Situations that you could cultivate with practice ideally with a teacher and I say ideally with a teacher because you have the sun in the 9th house and you have mercury conjunct your midheaven and those aspects actually do really well with learning with a teacher with somebody who can kind of guide you and inspire a mentor you and all of these things indicate that you absolutely could have a career that you feel really good about as an intuitive. But let's be really clear about what that means what that means is hustling for a living what that means is not having a reliable paycheck for many years. Most people who do any kind of intuitive work astrology to row even massage don't have a reliable income for many years. And if you're working in a corporate environment, then you may be kind of used to having some steady paycheck. In fact, you do have Venus in the Eighth House square root of Saturn in your birth chart and that tends to create Financial conservatism. It just makes you really risk-averse with your own money. And so I'm not sure that going from a corporate job to being a professional psychic makes a great deal of sense because I will tell you personally me. I've been you know, a professional psychic and astrologer for almost as long as you've been alive and people still constantly questioned me and asked me to prove myself and defend myself all the damn time that is a part of doing a job that is not accepted by society and You know, when you listen to this podcast you scroll through that your own curated Instagram feed or like social media feed. You might get this feeling that everyone's into it and certainly all of these things astrology psychic ability churro magic witchcraft. They're all having this amazing Renaissance, but it's still counterculture. It's still very much outside of the culture and your family made fun of random wishes back in the day trust. They would make fun of you. So would colleagues and friends and strangers on the internet. Should that Top you hell. No, it shouldn't stop you but it's a consideration because it's putting all your eggs in a particular basket and that basket will be heavily criticized by people and you know, you have to be aware. Is that something that you actually want to choose because when we talk about working as a professional psychic or a professional which or astrologer what we're really talking about is figuring out what that means to you the way that I structure my practice is that I am all about counseling people and helping people and after More than 20 years of it it became also I guess the podcast but it didn't start that way actually was on a podcast called Cosmic Keys podcast not long ago and we kind of talked about this is that when people first start learning like in the first decade for 7 to 10 years of learning about any of these wonderful woo things. It's really exciting. And what we have this compulsion to do in this modern world is to share it online and we want to talk about it with people and we want to share with people the things We're learning but the truth of the matter is you're still very much learning. So when you put yourself in a position of needing to make a living off of it needing to structure a product that you can sell it changes that enthusiasm for Learning and it puts you in a position where you do have to be able to stand in your truth which will mean defending it at times. I like I said, I've been doing this for many years and I still get people who come into my office. They waited a year to meet with me and there's We'll cross their arms across their chest and say you tell me you're the psychic and that's you know, a missed opportunity for them. But it is it is not abnormal for that to happen. I don't want to make it seem like it's the same as being a shrink. Although honestly that happens to therapist to people walk into their office and are like you tell me what to do you fix me when you work as a counselor of any kind when you work sitting across from someone whether it's online or in person and offering them a service. Vez understand that what you're doing is you're putting yourself in a position where you're accountable to that person and I actually think you're really good at that. I think you would be really good at that. But I also think it's intimidating. You know, I know it's an intimidating thing to do and I see that in your chart again that Saturn Venus Square also Neptune opposite your son. I worry that that's actually not what you would want to do. So if you wouldn't want to counsel people, how could you make a living as an intuitive or a psychic? What would that look like for you? I don't know because the world is quickly changing and there are so many ways of channeling your creativity and your intuition whether it's to create a service or I don't know a product. I really don't know. It's too big of a question for me to truly answer for you. But part of why it's too big of a question to answer is because there isn't an answer yet. You have to just explore it and I want to encourage you to explore it with your eyes wide open with. Without idealizing what the path is you need to decide whether or not you want to be an innovator in this whether or not you want to take personal risks around this stuff and I'm not telling you you shouldn't trust me. I would if I saw that you shouldn't but I am going to say that you better be clear that it's going to take a willingness to stand alone kind of morally and spiritually now and again and when I look at your birth chart, I want to say there's no shame and there's no problem with you not being ready for that. But you starting to take steps to figure out what that would look like in a way that is sustainable for you. And one more thing. I want to say psychic Sally is that you're in a really powerful time right now you really are you are going to a bunch of Saturn transits Saturn is opposite your son. It's conjunct Uranus and Neptune and in 2020. It's going to oppose Mercury and the midheaven also in 2020 Pluto is going to oppose your Mercury. Also Saturn a squaring your ascendant Pluto squaring your ascendant. Then you've got a lot going on. I'm not gonna lie. You got a lot going on the fact that you are feeling deeply called to find the answer of what do I want to do is my goddamn life. I want to say that is real and it's not going away and the transits that your birth chart or showing me says that over the next couple few years. You're going to figure it out. You're absolutely going to figure it out, but I don't think you need a quick fix answer. I want to encourage you to really explore both your interests and your passions and your But also very practically the jobs you're interested in because even which and astrologer and psychic requires trade training, right? It's really important that you allow yourself to really think about what would my day-to-day life look like in a creative path in intuitive path. And do I want that do I want that full time? Am I willing to be a hustler? Am I willing to figure out how to earn money and like piece together an income for some people that's really not. Not tolerable and for others it is and I can see you tolerating it if you had a little bit of savings, but I think otherwise that might be quite tricky for you. So it's something to look at and I don't want to encourage you to rush the answer. You really don't need to rush this because it is going to come together in its own time, but girl its own time is not in 2019. So give yourself the month off of trying to figure this out and I hope that answered your question. Thank You for writing in Sally? 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My love's I am so excited to talk to you about the astrology of this week because the week that we're looking at and Compasses the start of Hanukkah it encompasses Christmas and Kwanzaa. These are some really big holidays for a huge amount of people. So if you celebrate any of those things, happy Mary Hey now have a nice time. If you don't celebrate any of these things my condolences to you because of how annoying the world is here to talk about the astrology of December 22nd through the 28th 2019 before we get into it. I shall say to you a couple of things. The first thing is friends on New Year's Eve 3 p.m. Pacific. I am doing an AMA. I'm going to talk a bit about closing out 2019 and starting off 20. Honey, but the kind of really exciting thing is that I am going to just be answering your questions. I won't be able to pull up full birth charts for this event, but I won't be answering questions. I will be talking astrology of 2020. You know, I'm a big fan of getting kind of deep and woo on New Year's Eve. I know people love to party. I'm just not that fun. You know for me fun is like getting deep. I just I'm not nerd I am just that nerd. So whatever it is that you're going to To do on New Year's Eve. Maybe we'll hang out before you go out and it will kind of ground you into whatever it is. You want to do to kick off New Year's Eve. Also it just so happens to be the same exact date that my book comes out. So many of you who have pre-ordered my book Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, we'll have it in your hands. And if you haven't pre-order the book, it's cool. You could just go out and get it go out and get it and then the offer for the free 2020 astrological calendar. Is valid until January 31st, 2020 final piece of business. So it's my birthday very soon January 11th. I'm a 111 baby and an honor of my birthday every year AKA. This is the second year. I had a birthday during the podcasts life this year. I want to take your questions. If there are questions that you have always wanted to ask me please send me a question that goes to the podcast.com and just use the title Jessica. Okay, that's enough business. So much business, let's get into the astrology of the week on December 20 seconds. We have a Venus Square to Uranus and a Mars sextile to Pluto. This Transit Venus Square to Uranus is kind of exciting if you're trying to get really clear about what's happening between you and someone else in a relationship. If you're trying to save money. This is not necessarily the chillest of all transits, but if you are looking to Or new ways of relating to your finances or to organizing your resources, whether we're talking about like your house the stuff in your house or most romantically if you are open to experimenting meeting new people connecting a new ways exploring new ways of responding to the people that are in your life or engaging with the people in your life or most excitingly meeting new people. This Transit is for you Venus Square Uranus does not Create stability. It does not create security. What it does is it disrupts those things and thank God for that man, because we need our expectations and our drive for stability and security to be interrupted sometimes because when we are too focused on being secure and stable, what we're not doing is making sure that we feel in livened that were present that were being totally authentic Venus the downside of Venus is It fixates on accommodation being accommodating everything being easy instead of being authentic. But the upside of Venus is when you really prioritize the value of being authentic you kind of get what I would consider to be the highest embodiment of Venus. And so Venus Square to Uranus can be a time that disrupts things but that can be an opportunity for you to become more authentic. Be more present be more embodied and also, So if we're talking less about romance and more about like money or stuff be more clear about what you care about and why If You're Doing last-minute shopping, this is a great time to not buy stupid stuff that you know is just going to be landfill. I know you care about the environment. Of course, you do everybody cares about the environment even people who think they don't care about the environment. Nobody wants to breathe crappy are no one wants to have water shortages. We all want to have our resources available to us. So, you know, do you part Holiday season and every day if you can buy shopping responsibly don't buy things that you're confident will be landfill in a week. The Mars sextile to Pluto is worth mentioning because this Transit is a lovely Transit sextiles are a 60 degree angle and they are always creative and dynamic and positive. However, when Pluto is involved, it's never completely easy when Pluto's involved. It's never without trials or intensity and so Mars sextile to Pluto again on the Romantic tip is great for sex and sexuality for getting really clear about what you want for yourself or mobilizing on doing something that requires some measure of Bravery. Hey the downside of this Transit, there's not a big downside. The only downside is if you feel emboldened to act in ways that preserve the status quo without a thought for what actually needs to happen or where you actually need to embody change that will kind of get in your way. It'll be a missed opportunity. But really, this is a And test each Transit my love's now on the 24th. We have a sun Trine to Uranus. Now some trying to Uranus is a really lovely Dynamic Transit again. I try and is a hundred and twenty degree angle. It is a Transit aspect that suggests flow and lovely marriage of energies and so some tried to Uranus. It's just it just creates the pathways and opportunities for feeling being and approaching. Things differently and differently in a way that is more authentic and free and open now Uranus is a planet that governs a lot of things including humanitarian efforts. And so as many people are meeting up with family, whether it's chosen family or family of origin around this week talk of issues of social importance and politics. Hopefully, you're going to be big in All Families. Now I said, hopefully maybe it's not hopefully for you. I want to hold space for families being complicated and Different but this is a great time to actually have complicated conversations. If you can really focus on channeling that sun Trine to Uranus by being open. It doesn't actually make you anything. It provides the energy that one can tap into if one chooses to so, you know, if you choose to be open, maybe maybe this is a time where you're connecting with family and you have fact-finding missions and you are listening to what they're actually saying. You're actually just listening to their Active even if you think their perspective is profoundly and deeply wrong if you listen if you truly listen to their perspective, I might help you at another date to have a real conversation based on what you've actually heard them say instead of based on you know, you just kind of fighting points and this is a particularly meaningful approach because on the 25th, there is a solar eclipse in Capricorn now all over the Internet. It says the 26th of December it is So if you've been researching astrology and you're like no Jessica, it's not the 25th. It's the 26th. Well, it depends on where in the world. You are. My love's it depends on where in the world you are a solar eclipse is always a new moon. This is a new moon in Capricorn which means the Sun and Moon are exactly conjunct at 4 degrees cap and seven minutes and solar eclipses have a long range of influence. So when we look at new Moon's we are really looking at, you know, look a month of influence, you know, you want to look forward for the next 30 28 30 days to get a sense of the trends that that new moon is going to kick up which if you think really small not a long time, but when you think about it over the course of a year, if you bring intention and presence every new moon to the things you're calling in participating in energizing with your attention, then tracking the moon's movements is really useful for getting more present in your life and and having better results. So that's super cool. But when we look at a solar eclipse the effects are about six months long different astrologers will give you a different stick around it, but the effects are about six months long and because we're looking at Capricorn and as you probably know there is this Saturn Pluto conjunction in Capricorn coming very soon on January 12th, which we will talk about more but as we are looking at the conjunction of the Sun and Moon cap and the solar eclipse what we can see is a lot of things and I should say that if you haven't already started to support my work on patreon, this is the time to do it because because I have released my first bonus episode of the podcast and it's all about this Eclipse so you can hear it there. But when we're looking at Capricorn, we are looking at a lot of themes but on a personal level what we're really looking at is your relationship to fear and guilt and responsibility. These are the boner Vibes that Capricorn governs. Sorry, it sucks. But there's something very powerful about it to look at the role that fear. Or loneliness the drive to have family in a sense of belonging and the ways in which you may isolate or alienate yourself from what you longed for. This is really important and it's a big part of this solar eclipse. Now this particular solar eclipse has Jupiter really close by to it. So many astrologers will say to you Jupiter's assigned of abundance and growth and expansion and they're right. It's true but in the context of the bigger picture Of astrology and what is happening at this time? I have a concern that this Jupiter conjunction to the sun and moon will make us a lot more aware of what isn't working of the ways in which We're Alone the ways in which we are not where we want to be or who we want to be or with who we want to be with and so what I want to guide you towards this solar eclipse is taking responsibility and I don't mean that in a heavy-handed way. I mean that in the way Of really looking at what you're allowing yourself to obsessively think about taking responsibility for it. I am not like a big Mantra person. But if I find myself caught up in a loop of negative thoughts I will just run a positive word or I like pens and stupid jokes. So sometimes I'll just run a stupid pun or joke in my head over and over again just to overlap, you know, the negative thought because sometimes thoughts are just noise. It just garbage. You just have to clean up the garbage. That's all. You don't have to find profound healing at all times. Sometimes it's just making choice to try choice to be constructive. And that's Capricorn energy for you. Capricorn is really about the functional part of healing. It's really about being able to look at the actions and the attitudes that you hold and making choices that you can sustain that's really where it's at. So when we jump as so many of us like to do from great pain or trauma Or struggle and we want to jump from there to everything's cool. I'm fine. Everything's fine. I'm great. Then it's not really sustainable. You know, we need to be able to kind of do that Billy Goat thing and like climb step by step till we get to the top and that means being present for all the steps. I know it's annoying. If you are finding that this solar eclipse is really kicking up for you some heavy family stuff again. I want to say you have choices choices around how you participate how you show up what you talk about what you don't talk about. You don't have a choice around who your family is. You don't have a choice about so many things that are happening in the world. These out-of-control feelings are no fun. However, you do have some choices and around those choices. All you can do is strive to be you know, the healthiest most pleasant person, you know how to be and it doesn't mean being a martyr and it doesn't mean being controlling it means finding that sweet spot where you are taking Instability for how you engage in what you engage without being controlling and you are present and whole and forgiving without martyring yourself and just like, you know succumbing to unhealthy Dynamics. It's not easy and it's not black and white. I can't give you like a clear single action, but I can tell you that what you do or don't do around the solar eclipse how you engage with what comes up how you hold the feelings and the kind of realities that you're dealing with and And the intentions that you set for yourself this solar eclipse, they will carry through as themes for you over the course of the next six months. No big deal. Just a big deal on the 27th. The sum will be exactly conjunct to Jupiter. So that will be actually a really great day. Then he drama got kicked up over the eclipse to kind of come to some sense of forgiveness or peace because some conjunction to Jupiter's actually really good for that. It's really good for smoothing over. Things and focusing on the big picture instead of the details now sometimes focusing on the big picture instead of the details means saying I'm not going to talk to this person anymore. It could mean something ends. It doesn't always mean something that's happily resolved. But Jupiter wants us to focus on the big picture that's its damn move. So I encourage you to do that and I encourage you to do your best. That's all you got girl your best. If you are feeling particularly sad or lonely around this, This dates or if it started with that solar eclipse and it doesn't go away maybe gets more intense around this state. Don't worry Jupiter again. A lot of astrologers will tell you Jupiter's like when you feel lucky and everything comes together, but my experience actually is is that some people absolutely experience that they experience like the resiliency and joyfulness of Jupiter, but a lot of people experience Jupiter and that sense of their so much more it can kind of trigger depressive thoughts and feelings that can make you feel really Aware of like everyone else has this easy family and I don't wear everyone else feels happy and I'm not or other people seem to be able to you know, make a certain amount of money and I can't like it can get you into like deep fomo that feels really isolating and depressive. And so if you find yourself caught up in those Loops take practical steps to support yourself, that means remembering that we humans have a tendency to compare ourselves to people who have more instead of people who have less. It means looking at what you're going through. In a global context understanding that you are not alone and that you are probably joined by millions and millions of people in the exact same position or very similar position as you even if you may not know them if you find yourself scrolling through social media and it's making me feel like crap just stop stop it. I said, those are some really simple steps. So finally on the 28th the last Transit of the week Mercury moves into Capricorn and mercury in Capricorn. I really love that Transit because what it does Is it allows us to think on really practical things mercury in Capricorn can be a time where people are a little bit blunt a little bit to the point. It can feel a little bit transactional but it's a great time for dealing with business. It's a great time for you know connecting with people and remembering to follow through on things that maybe you hadn't now what's especially important news about this is that mercury is joining a butt ton of planets in the sign of Capricorn. That's right I said about time. Mercury will join the sun Jupiter Saturn and Pluto. It's a lot of Capricorn energy and that's going to build towards the 12th. And so again themes of loneliness and fear and responsibility and guilt are mounting and it is essential essential that you are gentle and kind and Associated present with yourself to the best of your ability as that happens. This whole idea that is so culturally like resonant for so many people have liked being on bothered. I want to say don't be unbothered get bothered get bothered allow yourself to feel vulnerability feel the feelings that you feel Capricorn. Does this thing where it tries to like reason away motion reason away vulnerability, but that's no way to live. That's a way to be a part of humanity. And that is no way to support your own Humanity. I loves this is a time to really allow. Self to be vulnerable and human we are not machines. We are not our Instagram feeds which are well-curated. We are tender freaking humans. So embrace your tenderness embrace the tenderness and others doesn't mean you have to like take on other people's shit, seeing the humanity in all of us actually makes it easier to bear your own Humanity, which is a messy sticky Enterprise. Is it not is it not now my love's I hope you have a good holiday season if you celebrate and if you don't I also So hope you have a good time not celebrating and and weathering the storm of other people celebrating compulsively in front of you. I want to send you my love and strength and encouragement. I want to encourage you to act in ways that reflect the person you want to be and not the situation you're in. I really look forward to talking to you next week because next week is going to be you know, a new year. It's going to be a new year 2020. That's nuts as always if you haven't already please do subscribe to this podcast where Were you listen to podcasts and if you are listening on a platform that allows for reviews starring the podcast or reviewing it really does help. So please do boop boop. Boop your five star reviews there. I hope to see you on New Year's Eve. I hope to see pictures of you on social media with my book in your hands, and I love you all. Have a good one.

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You kind of skeptical but from an entertainment standpoint from an understanding of the game from the way that you communicated with us. Listen, bro. I watched UCLA Stanford because you were on there. So I just want to say what are you doing a real? Good job, bro. I decided to be right that means a lot because I'm a big fan of yours as well so I could literally talk about it. Just said it whenever you come on the screen at our office everybody stops, and we turn it up a lot of Pittsburgh people. So we're big fans of you from there. But also when you speak it's magical not a lot of humans get on TV and do good stuff. You do that with that being appreciated me. Hey, no problem. You're awesome. Especially as an undrafted free agent guy you had to earn everything. So I respect the hell out of that. That's real speaking of earning everything right now Tom Brady for some reason. There's this thought now Adam schefter brought this out into the world that this is his last year as a patriot. He's either going to retire Gordo to another team schefter said it's the least likely option of the three is that he stays with the New England Patriots. How do you feel about this in the fact that the entirety B12 treatment is that you can play forever? I don't think he's retiring I think is a chance to go somewhere else. Well, I think here's the here's the thing right with Shifty reports something we take it as fact, right? So Chef D is he's transactional. And so the hard part here is this is the little bit of Chef D reading the tea leaves he's saying, okay, he's selling his house his Trainer selling his house. Now, you know and I know this is really just like rich people stuff right rich people rich people do stuff like this if you like. Okay, look my house is really big. It's in New England people. They really, you know, buying stuff like this. Let me put it on the market now and if I am back here next year guess what my wife's a gazillionaire I got buku money. We can find somewhere else to live for a year or two and everybody can be happy don't have 16 rooms. We all good. Either way, that's the first thing now secondly, he's faced with his football mortality. We all have heard the rumors that he wanted Jimmy G out because he didn't want to be replaced and Bill Belichick didn't like that. But mr. Kraft did it we're watching his plate not be the same. He's not the same time Brady. Remember it used to be that Tom Brady can take me a receiver you at receiver one of your homeboys who over there running the podcast and y'all can win the Super Bowl. It ain't that no more. And so I think he's starting to Still some of these things and you I was listening to him talk to Randy Moss and he said, you know, I talked to my twelve-year-old. He said it's whatever you want to do that then I talked to my wife and she was like, well, you know, my answer I think there is starting to be some pressure and it's not like going home and your wife. You know, she met you and you were already a millionaire and you make her life better. It's like nah, she actually made your life better. And so I think all of those things combined make it so that he understands that this is a year-to-year Bases his contract is done on a year-to-year basis and I believe that he's preparing for anything but I would never just say Okay. This means that Tom Brady's out of New England or Tom Brady's out the football. Tom. First time was an interesting peek into that dudes life man on Facebook. I mean, it really was Facebook does a lot of things wrong that time first time thing was very interesting interesting look into an alien that plays quarterback for the New England Patriots. I mean, that's a real thing. Let's move forward. Drew Brees is thinking about coming back early. You want to LSU. I'm not sure your ties. Louisiana or your knowledge what the Saints or anything like that? You have a big football brains. I'm assuming you know, if you're Drew Brees aside from the fact that you have records that you want to get. Why would you come back a week before by we cannot get this to extra week's arrests on your thumb while Teddy Bridgewater's bawling out for the Saints. Whoa, so it's funny. I live in Baton Rouge some on our way from the world. I have a family full of New Orleans Saints fans. Drew Brees isn't just the quarterback of the Saints here. Drew Brees has God they talk about Ruby. They say some things about Drew Brees here and I'm like y'all got to be out your mind. I dang they don't want y'all in my family no more. If you feel this way about a real life human, man, who's never been the MVP? Let's just get that out there never once in his life. Did we sing his peers the the the writer say that he was better than every other player in the game. Never not one time. Let's get that straight. But the way he's treated here revered it is Very similar to what Tom Brady's looked like in looked at as in New England. And so now you have Teddy Bridgewater five and oh on a team that until this year had never won the game during Drew Brees has tenure where he wasn't there. Sean Payton had never coached the game without would you breathe where he won now, you went five of them and you beat some teams that you weren't supposed to beat when Teddy Bridgewater steps in against the Rams you say to yourself if this team can go five. Hundred and get Drew Brees back after the by now Drew Brees can work some miracle magic and they can get to the playoffs. They don't need miracle magic. They just need Drew Brees to be Teddy Bridgewater. And so I think that part of that part of that ego part of that what's involved is making him want to come back a little bit early because they can beat the Cardinals with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback. Now you get that week you get a bye week and you get to come back in against the divisional opponent completely healthy and ready. You rode through the stretch run. So to me, the only thing that could rush you back is ego and not understanding another big picture not really being your goal because the big picture should be to win the Super Bowl and the win the Super Bowl you want to be as healthy as possible. So this is a strange strange move to me unless it is a very a move that is selfishly led by your Ambitions and your ego instead of saying okay what's best for this T. So interesting that's kind of the theme of today's show is like you have to remember that. These are humans with real emotions real. Feelings really goes no matter what level they're at their Z goes on everybody. There's Pride on everybody it that would be I mean, it was very interesting when I saw he was going to come back. I'm like just take two weeks to just go ahead and make more videos of you throwing in the practices. You know, you just have two more right here and then come back to credibly healthy Teddy Bridgewater stock is going through the roof. I want to ask you about this because this is something I think only people in a locker room would understand John Elway whenever he traded Emmanuel Sanders said that the locker room would understand why he was traded. There's a standard here something. After the Titans game that is going to leak at some point. Somebody's Greek what happened after things game at some point. He said something happened. They said would you like to space and no I'm not going to talk about it's like well that's going to come out at some point and it wasn't it. Obviously a big enough deal for John Lynch and say no I'm not going to take him. What do you think could potentially happen there and is Emmanuel Sanders going to help out the Niners offense immensely or is this just a good move for everybody? Yeah. You know what? I really don't know. Obviously the Broncos aren't very good. Yeah, you know, so I know that's part of it Emmanuel Sanders wants to win football. All games and obviously when you bring in a guy like Joe Flacco, you're not really focused on the forward pass in the way that you should be. And so I think that that was probably part of it as well and maybe Emmanuel last out. Listen if you're on a team and the best player in football goes down and you know that they're not good defensively, you know that they don't necessarily possess a great running game and you're beaten by Matt Moore if you're a competitor you're going to be pissed off and so I'm not I can't necessarily For manual I haven't spoke to him. Obviously. I know him. Well, I haven't spoken to him. So I don't know what happened. I do think as well. When a GM Wen a Hall of Famer someone who was as great in this game as John Elway says something like the team will know why and kind of hints towards something happening. I don't like that. But if you're going to if you're going to talk about what went on talk about what we're doing, if you're not say you made a business move, you know, why because I'm one of the greatest ever play this game. I gotta go. Jacket, I ain't paid for stop asking me questions because you can do that. You can stay away from those things. And so you look at what he can add to the San Francisco 49ers. I think he's a much needed. Peace. You have good one who's outside is a speed guy Pettis has been more inside running to catch. Obviously George kiddo at Titan is the biggest receiving Target on that team. Now you had a guy who's been a number one. He may be on the the in stage of his career, but we've seen he could still be explosive had a double digit receiving game this year. Ready and so a guy like that you add them with Kyle Shanahan. He's going to find ways to scheme him open and give Jimmy G opportunities to get the ball to him. You also look at the San Francisco 49ers team. They're not winning because their explosive in the past game, you know, Jimmy G's biggest hits were probably with people he's taking on dates not necessarily people that he's throwing the ball to on the football field. And so for him, he needs something extra this team's going to take a step and actually contend once it It's to the playoffs. This passing game has to be better. Eventually. Somebody's going to be able to block them not very well probably but somebody's going to be able to block them and score points. If you play the Packers if you play the the New Orleans Saints, if you get into those games against some of these better teams the Minnesota Vikings, you're going to have to be able to throw the ball and I think John Lynch, I think Kyle Shanahan understand this and aside from slapping Vic fangio. I guess they feel like no matter what team and you may well say there's did in the locker room. It's worth taking a morning and having a quality received it was It sounds it seem Petty to me from La when he reset everything. It's what we said Katie it was it was just a situation that you wouldn't think John Elway would do and then you see it. You're like, come on John are You John Elway? Like that doesn't need to help it. Okay, wouldn't you also want to take off take the spotlight off of your quarterback decisions, right? Like, you know, you don't want people actually you don't want people actually diving in to what you have done at the position on the team you run right at that you play because aside from Peyton Manning falling into his lap and those guys having a great defense that take them to a Super Bowl this position for this team has been a mess right? He's gone from quarterback the quarterback free agent to draft it to moving up and you know, you get Paxton Lynch and then you bring over Case Keenum and you try to sign Brock Osweiler. He leaves you bringing back like all of these things have been debacles. This has been a total failure at this position for John Elway. And so if I was him I'd be saying stuff about other things. To oh, yeah, we are terrible at quarterback. I made bad decisions. But boy that Emmanuel Sanders cannot behave like that. Oh, what did he do John, you know, I don't want to talk about those things understand. Yeah, because you don't want to talk about Joe Flacco Ramsey comes out next time our plane broke down just outside the like just everything that could potentially distract from the thought that the quarterback position has not been great under a quarterback's guidance, which is very interesting. I loved what you said about But the Colts feels like you're getting on board with the Colts and I've been saying this for a long time. They have the pieces. They have offensive line. They have a defense. Jacoby percent is a baller. Nobody's really giving them credit. They have the pieces to make a Deep Run seeing you say that on television literally any time you come on television office. Everybody stops to listen to it. Listen to you do that. I was pretty pumped up about it because it made me feel like a smarter person but it's real. I think it's a real. Yeah, they have the pieces to make a run right now. Yeah, you are a little earlier on it than I was I'm innocent. Yeah, I kind of had to wait to see some different things. I think you get nervous when you have a huge win against Kansas City, but the Oakland Raiders beat you at home? Yeah, you know, so those type of things don't necessarily continue to build competence actually, you know, it's like it's up and down but when you watch the pieces that have been assembled when you see a team that is so good up front a team that can not only protect but create running lanes for Marlin magnet for that running game and now, you know, you can control the ball. All which is huge. I also think it helps is when you come into this season and you're looking at the New England Patriots. The first thing you think is what type of quarterback does a teen have to have in order to beat them. And you look at the DeShaun Watson as you look at the Patrick Mahomes and then you look at the schedule you say okay, there has been one quarterback and one team that's beating that's beating both of those guys. And that team is the Indianapolis Colts. And so looking at that understanding the way that they could play offense. They could protect your coat. % also the skill set and talented a jacobean Brissette possessive. Nobody's taught. You know, we're talking about Russell Wilson and his touchdown interception ratio. We're talking about Patrick Mahoney. Look this guy's 14 and three, you know and his touchdown to interception ratio like that. You know, we're talking about this guy in a different a different way if we're not looking at the outside things and thinking of him as Andrew Luck's back up. This is a real team. This is the team that has the guidance of a great head coach and they're built in a way that if you go down the stretch and you have to go on the road and win the game in Foxboro, you can do that. You have a head coach who believes in what he's put in place and can do that. And so for me this team is a true Contender and we'll see a little bit more about the New England Patriots and what they really are over the next six weeks. I think the reason why I was on it so early is because being on the team for so long, it was very obvious to know what we were missing like, okay. This is what we're missing got be a team, right? This is what we're missing for wear. Time we go into Foxboro. We just get slaughtered now granted the Colts are a young team. So they're going to have done situations like the Raiders. They're probably going to lose another one this season why everybody's like what the hell are you doing? Jacobi's only like a second-year quarterback. Anyways, he's young. Nobody talks about them that way but whenever you said it made me feel real good Ron Clark, we got to get their own bank. I am so thankful that you joined us man here incredible on to Michael. Hope you come back soon. I appreciate you so much. Check them out on ESPN. Do you have any podcast or anything or are you just going television? You know, I'm a I have my my first one's gonna be in two weeks ma'am. I start my own and it would be pretty fun. I like to have you on one time, and if you get some time would love to I can't wait to see it. You can do incredible just like you did in football and in television ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Clark, thank you Ryan. Thank you, brother. Have a great day. That's good. Something funny time the great interview hilarious. I have no idea what just played but I thought maybe we were all laughing at that time. I wanted to laugh with you that's neither here nor there because today our show is brought to you by the good people at the Thursday Boot Company a bootstrap startup that makes the best handcrafted boots. It sells them direct to Consumer at some of the lowest markups in the Footwear industry. Wow. Wow. 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We finally have a team that can win things to Toby percent is stepped up and bawled out and in key member of Of the defensive side of the Indianapolis Colts a man. Who was the Rookie of the Year last year a man who was an all pro, but somehow didn't get voted in the Pro Bowl a cute dog from South Carolina state number 53 the maniac Darius Leonard joins us right now all look at the Shark look at the shirt. He's wearing a for the brand shirt. I appreciate him. You just got out of meetings. How does the team feel after that massive Victory against the Houston Texans and The AFC South um, definitely feels good man, W to get awareness, especially the vision of game when so we all feeling great man. Looking forward to the men's department. Now, you look like a real athlete on that pick to call game there at the end that thing kind of just showed up in your hands. And then you wanted to go run with that thing. I mean you go down immediately or games over everybody knows that I'm assuming people are yelling at you to go down before you go down though. You do a Roman Reigns this Kenny Stills through the Earth walk me. That last play. Oh, man. Oh man Cody's down up a great defensive player. You know I saw the ball so it would tip. I know I was in a great position to make a play on it. Once I felt like I had possession of it and we always talking about score on defense and I got up and I know I had one man to be and I never got long arms. So I went with a stiff arm and after I got done with the steel for man, I look by the sidelines see the whole sideline step it up saying get down. It's over where I got down. It was great to have you back in the lineup you missed a couple weeks with concussion injury. Now, you're back the team did well whenever you weren't in so everybody knew that when you got back in the team was only going to get better. What did you learn from having to watch the Colts at home? I'm not great at team is you know, we always talk about a minutes man up mentality, you know, we're very focused on on the game plan and it shows no matter who's in a game of who's out game demands guy angle coming up in Real 111 just to hold down. Oh down the team because you know, you don't want anybody to to fail. So when I get in there, you know, they everybody trustworthy and that's what it shows that what kind of team we have. Why is Frank Wright such a good head coach. Nobody knew he had never been a head coach before right. So we had no idea what was going to happen. I think now the Philadelphia Eagles fans are realizing how important Frank Reich was to that organization and now Colts fans are like thank God. This guy is back. He was once going to be a priest or something. I mean, He's he has an incredible story. He seems to be an incredible leader of men. What makes him a good coach know what makes him relate to guys like you guys like Quentin Nelson. Like what makes Frank Reich such a good head coach, um, Hawaii the former player so he knows how the game goes and for to me he cares that's biggest thing. He cares about his players and the see how much he goes for it on fourth down to show how much he believes and they believe in the locker room believe in his player. So you got a coach who trust in you believe in you is making so much easier. Go out have fun and play for that coach. So is that how you guys react whenever you see him go for it on Fourth. We love it, man. We love it when he go for how many shows that he believes it is and if he believes in it, that means we can go out and ask you to game plan and with no worries because if you had a coach this in okay, I believe in this guy would go out and make a play. You have to be scared or Timmy to go out there and say okay, I can't mess up. He's a coach that I mean for one. He says, well he mess up he's not afraid to say hey, that was a bad call. I did this wrong and having Being a guy like that as the head man, you know is always great. That's so interesting because the defense could be on the wrong side of that. If you don't pick up the fourth down conversion, but instead on the flip side, you see a head coach that's willing to go for it and bet on his guys that has to lift up everybody. Oh, yeah, maybe even though we don't get it. I mean the defense is pumping on we wanted and I as we won't all fit the go for it. You want to defend the come out. We want to stop them if it's a midfielder or whatever. We always talk about setting change at the ball on the three online. We're going to get three in our takeaway. You can make them kick a field goal. We're gonna block the field goal. I mean that's that's the mentality that we have as defense. So it feels as if that building is a incredible place to work a good work environment. What our practice is like now, all I see is videos of you dancing from practice. All I see is videos at ey Hilton having a good time. I feel like the Colts are very fun place to be right now. It is man, but like I said starts at the head man over the head man skin allow us to Be ourselves. You don't have to be in the Shell. I mean that's what it is. I mean everybody's comfortable, you know going out doing that job and having fun and you know, the biggest thing about playing a game you got to have fun with it and I coach have fun with it and every single player goes out each and every day have fun and every since Coach Frank got the got juicers last year everybody wanted to bring the juice everybody wanted to bring energy and me being a guy who loves to have fun. Love bringing energy. I'm I just love being being with a coach. Well, I mean, you're a leader on the team. The your second year that is very difficult to do especially in a linebacker position where you're banging a lot. You're making a lot of plays you have been an instant impact maker for a cult steam. That is everybody is sleeping on everybody sleeping on him. When I go on television and I start yelling in the cameras about me being I'm picking the Colts. It feels like everybody is like waiting for me to say I'm joking. It's a real inside that locker room. How good does it feel to know that not a single soul outside of Indianapolis? Has any belief or faith in the Indianapolis Colts? We love him and you know, we love being an underdog because I'm that make us just fight they day in and day out. I mean we love being on a dog we'd go in and I can't see it again. We saw where nobody picked us to win. I'm a week. We love that. We love coming in as an underdog. We loved stepping up to a challenge and it proves we can work out your big time. WWE Fan. I didn't know that till recently. Did you enjoy it? Did you enjoy Friday Night Smackdown to they take care of you? Oh, yeah, they did man. I was kind of upset when I tried to jump my dog romance all my mouth. So I had a control myself a little bit. How long you been a WWE Fan all my life man. It's not my brother always grew up. Just watching it day on Monday Tuesday. Even when you see W was on Wednesdays Friday Night Smackdown. So kind of grew up my whole life watching. You know, what's interesting is foot pump. I think there's a lot more football players that are fans than people really think about it because you're a gladiator out there performing. On a stage and I enjoy the way you play I enjoy your celebrations. You think some of that comes from your WWE Fan Hood background. Oh, yeah, because I mean especially watching when I grew up watching DX some ugly Triple H, they always celebrated, you know, so it always fun to kind of have a signature move like they do so it's definitely going out having fun and then doing crazy stuff. I mean that's I'm a see it all all the time on TV. So, I mean I enjoy doing it. I'll tell you what you're gonna get quite a fine. But if you drop a socket on stuff, I appreciate you taking time out of your workday man. Keep dominating keep crushing your fun to watch. Welcome back happy or healthy. Ladies and gentlemen Darius letter. Thank you man. No problem. Thank you. He's a player. Yeah. Hey, he is a player. He's long long that stiff arm. Oh buddy. Try to touch. He literally was just throwing another human down to the ground. That was an insane situation and he was towering Over Roman Reigns in that picture. They took together. Yeah, it was wasn't he? Yeah, he's a freak athlete to and the fact he was a fourth-round draft pick and everybody said to Chris Ballard was a dumb-dumb. Chris Brown was a dumb-dumb took an offensive guard at number 6 stupid took this no-name linebacker from South Carolina state in the fourth round stupid. They give him like a deer or something something some scouting or grading people gave him like a deer or whatever on the draft to all Pros to all Pros right there automatically as rookies. What's up? Eggs second-round draft but there's only was is that right? Well, maybe I was completely wrong that I had no idea. That's why that's why they were so that's why were they were so not mad but like that's why they graded like that because he was a guy who went higher he was he was a 36 pick. Of course, I know this team but no but that might be why that might in my that stuff's got to try and look for chip on his shoulder like a fourth-round pick but it is really well fourth-round pick is still good spot to idiot, but the the thought that he got Chris Ballard got demolished for this. I would like to hear Chris ballot breakdown like The Scouting thing of this. I mean we're looking at his stiff arm right here on the picture. It is a right cross to this dude's head, which I was soon as a penalty. I would assume that he probably should have got flagged for that because Aw, poor guy is sideways. I mean that's one of the most vicious stiff-arms I've seen. They said Quentin Nelson and as a fullback is going to happen will be more often. By the way. The only thing that stopped because when you see Quentin Nelson run down the field, I literally had this thought like a week or two ago. I'm like man that guy can move that guy can really move normally big guys like that can't move last time. You really see big guy move like that was almost the fridge right way back in the day with the Bears the fridge you can move and I'll I literally had the thought was like man. I wish you always say d line because I think you can put them in on offense and then all of a sudden couple weeks later here. We got him on a fullback. The only problem with that is you take the best offensive lineman potentially in the game off of the offensive line in a goal-line situation as a coach. You're going to look bad if that doesn't work out. It's like, oh you want to get cute take the offensive line off the offensive line, but if Quentin Nelson scores a touchdown that ball might explode that Paul might explode if he catches now granted he was the other route in that Ebron catch was Quentin Nelson Quentin Nelson almost got Had a guy covering them he stumble because he turned to look where the ball was going. Probably cause he wanted to chase it because that's what he does every time but at some point quite Nelson's going to score a touchdown and that Paul is going to get popped and I cannot wait for they might tear the thing in half. Like it's a damn phone outside of Indianapolis and I sent their son and I meant it because it might not be humans outside who have high football IQ is or whatever but he knows production meetings with people around those big media Outlets whenever you talk about the Colts like doing it everybody's like, let's slow down. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. It's like no. No, that's what we're supposed to do on television. That's what you guys do every single day. And I want to let you know I might be ahead of you guys. I'm not getting ahead of myself. This quote steam is the truth and that guy is one of the main reasons. Why and when you listen to these other shows like all these other Talking Heads when the Colts come up there like yeah, they're nice story, but they're not gonna win and that is of course, correct. And then it's before the entire story was DeShaun Watson losing that game and not the Colts defense winning that game or the code. 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That's Babel.com promo code hat. I believe we're being joined by Josh sitting at some point. Is he on right now? Yeah, we got em right now absolute Legend of a man. He joined us a couple weeks ago in his brain was Mesmerizing the way he speaks about football is through the ice. Is have an All-Pro offensive lineman a man who won a Super Bowl. He's handsome. He runs a real estate business joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, Josh sitting. What up, Josh? Yeah atta boy Josh. Oh my God, he's coming to us live from his man cave. I believe where he has jerseys on top of jerseys behind him. How are you Josh? I'm good, man. How you doing? I'm good. By the way, everything that you were saying. The last time you're on the show is basically come to fruition about the Browns on having an offensive line that type of stuff happening. What are your eyes? Eyes on the NFC right now after the trades that happened to the 49ers getting another weapon with Emmanuel Sanders to the Seahawks getting a good safety to Drew Brees coming back for the Saints. Do you feel as if the Packers are still in the commanding position in the NFC or do you think these other teams got definitely better yesterday? Well, I'll say this. I hope Drew Brees plays this week because I just pick them up and fantasy. No, I'm looking room for you drew. I still think the Packers up still think the Packers. There's in science through the other lead dogs. I was actually just looking at San Fran schedule date still haven't played a single good team and they don't play any better have a challenge until they play the Seahawks and then they have a three-game stretch starting in November where they've got the Packers Ravens and Saints and that's going to be their test. I don't think they're up for the challenge. They're great on defense, but I don't think Jimmy G can get it done and This league is a quarterback league and when it comes down to it, your quarterback has to win the game for you come play all the time. And I think the Packers and the Saints obviously have the better quarterbacks. Okay, let's talk about Aaron Rodgers in the Floor of video creeped out of him and LaFleur talking before the game this past weekend where he said to the floor. I want five today and the floor said back to him. I won six. Then there was a video of the post-victory locker room where the floor gave him the game ball called him an old man. Do you feel as if Aaron Rodgers in LaFleur becoming best of friends in how good news is that for Green Bay Packers fans and owners. I do I really do it's I keep up with the Packers obviously and I read little Snippets here and there and and you can see Aaron just kissing the floors ass and his you know, I'm his comments left and right. It's almost almost shocking because that's not you know, it's not his style so I could tell that relationship. Going well from what I hear from a few of the guys. Aaron is completely bought into everything. He's trying to win he's doing whatever it takes and that's a scary combination because he is the most talented quarterback probably to ever play the game, you know, probably till patty patty Mahomes came out but that that team is really good scary good great defense and he's buying into everything and they're dangerous. All right, let's It real quick. I agree with everything. You just said there. You're a genius. It sounds like I'm going to just try to write down everything you say and take it as my own and my sound smarter for myself. But the let's pivot to the Denver Broncos. Something happened with Emmanuel Sanders after the Titans game in the Broncos locker room. John Elway said that they traded him in the locker room knows why everybody knows why it's not the culture. We're trying to build here. We're trying to win. I've been around the game a long time as have you what do you think that could potentially mean in my eye? Why's he said something to a coach? He did something in that locker room. There's maybe a disagreement. Maybe said I don't want to play here anymore. That story will eventually leak out but I think that was very telling of John Elway to mention those words without giving a full description. Yeah, you don't usually see GM's come out and making comments like that. I'm sure a manual sick of losing and sick and being on a bad team and he probably let his emotions get the get the worst of them. You know. It happened to me many a times and playing On this leg and you know, I probably said something to a coach or maybe even the GM or somebody and I mean, it's just it's time for them that they got to rebuild their not you know, Joe Flacco's not their future. So whoa, it's it's time for them to rebuild and it was perfect timing and it's a great weapon for great weapon for Jimmy G speaking of rebuilding the Atlanta Falcons are going to have to blow that entire place up. I mean that defense which was once an incredible now stinks man. Ryan's hurt their offense thinks they get rid of Mohamed Sanu they ship him out to the patriots who somehow get even better in the middle of the Season. It makes no sense to me whenever you look at the Patriots adding another weapon. How will they be able to keep everybody happy and who will be able to stop Tom Brady and that Patriots team. What is it going to take to beat the Patriots you think or is it even possible? At this point, how do you bet against them? I just don't I don't think it's it's possible in the AFC since Pat went down. He was the he was the best shot at it. Obviously, I mean, that's not a not a hot take that's pretty pretty simple. But that that the the whole team is led by the defense and Tom doesn't have to do everything that he's had to do in the past and that defense it doesn't have any Superstars, but man these guys are confusing as hell playing against Last year with the dolphins the looks they give you just they're almost unbeatable and it just goes to show you how smart that that coaching staff is Bill Belichick is a freaking genius. He is hands down the best coach ever coach the game. There's not even a close second they gameplay in each and every week specifically and you don't see that out of other teams. He gets the guys ready. Each each week is an individual game plan, and you don't really see that. From other teams, so it's it's scary. And you know, Tom's going to make some new a friggin pro bowler. Well, that's scared to think about just having when I got in Tonio Browner boobs, like what I mean? What is going now? They got another guy who's just as explosive and I think he's an incredibly intelligent human so be able to pick up with that Patriots offense very very fast, which is good news for him whenever he played against or not. He who the Patriots played against am Donald just You said that defense disguises things and brings things and nobody can really understand especially young quarterbacks in NFL films and Monday Night Football. Let's say I'm darn olds quote of saying I'm seeing ghosts go on National Television, which I was mind blown by I was because normally it's like good touchdown. So whatever they like that out. I was like, oh they're trying to bury Sam d'Arnaud and by the way, it did I mean it caught on they're not happy about it. Nobody's happy about it. Have you ever had a Hilarious mic'd up situation. And what is the golden rule whenever people are miked up? First of all poor fella, that's gonna that's going to stick with him like the but fumbled it was saying, let's see two years ago. I got a holding call was pulling around. I made a great block pancake. The guy got a holding call in the Mike caught me saying mother. Yeah fricker. Yep, and it was it was pretty funny about his text me after the game. But yeah, there's plenty of those I would I'd be mortified if that tape from the center because the center's mic'd up every game and I'm right next to the center was playing I'd hate for those those tapes to leak out someday. Somebody has those though, like, you know, yeah Snapchat, that's terrifying. Yeah, they're gonna do they're gonna do NFL films in 30 years, and I'm just going to be cringing with anxiety Josh it and guy going into the Hall of Fame. Let's take a look back on some of this stuff that didn't air during Josh sentence career you You mother just anger everywhere. It's a tough position though because you're in this incredibly competitive environment with humans that are trying to rip your head off and then they put a microphone in there and then people have never been in there. Just expecting you to act like a normal individual and that's just not the way it goes. I feel incredibly bad for Sam Donald to be honest with you because I think when he said I'm seeing ghost he obviously meant he thought he was seeing one coverage and it was something completely different. But all it sounds like is he was just scared to death of Bill Belichick on a patriot. Oh, I feel so bad for him. He's never gonna live that down ever. And the thing is every other quarterback that's freaking played these guys the saying goes to so he's just he's only one that just got caught saying it so he's poor fellows all I can say I didn't know you have a camo hoodie on you have a camo hat on you have an incredible beard right now. What is this Wednesday looking like for you just going out in the woods and kill him something right now or what do you got going on? I wish I drop my daughter off for school. And then I've got my son my wife's out of town. So Daddy Daddy Day Care for a few days. Well, I'm very thankful. Not only for you being a great dad being a great football player. But I am very hopeful that you'll continue to join us on here because your brain is an incredible one. Do you think the Browns did anything to make tough? Okay. Here's a quick question. We got like two minutes and I think you can explain this. The last time you came on. He said the offensive line for the Browns is the problem. You can have two bad ol I'm and he can't have three better alignment, especially with a Young quarterback. It doesn't have the wisdom yet. They had a bye week. What could Freddie kitchens have done during the bye week that could potentially help their team, but much more successful, even though they're walking into the Patriots this week and they probably have no shot to begin with go offer the Redskins two first round picks for Trent Williams. That's about it. I mean, they're they're not going to get better and teams aren't trading whole. I'm in a way. It's so hard to get good ol I'm in this league because the college coaching sucks so bad with offensive linemen that it's very very difficult to find good ol I'm in this league. What is it technique is If the body is what is it that is not being coached technique in the systems that they're running they all they have to do is block a guy for a second and they just position block and instead of moving people. They just kind of get in the way and turn their bodies and that doesn't translate and that's why you see offensive lineman. It takes them longer and longer to play early on in their careers, and that's why it seems aren't trading. I was surprised to see It sounds will get traded to the Texans. But you know, the Dolphins are giving away everybody. So thanking their tank tank tank tank tank in. That Bangles team stinks Josh do I mean they're not talking about them they suck too. I mean the Dolphins are trying to stink and at Bangladesh. I think they're trying to be good. They're really bad. Another team that we're not talking about is the Colts your old team. That's seems a good freaking team. I think they will win the Super Bowl Josh. I'm telling you there. I didn't I didn't see it early on I didn't have a lot of faith and Brissette but he's he's playing great right now. And that defense is awesome Marlon Max a baller and that oh Linus Freaking badass by the way, that's that's that's the recipe win. Right? That's the recipe the winner. That's the recipe to win in the playoffs, right? Yeah. Absolutely. They'll make the second round. All right, Josh. I don't need your negativity right now. This has been an incredible interview. I can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen from Daddy Daycare Legend Josh it and thank you so much Josh. Appreciate you man. All right. Thanks guys. He's so good. Dude. We had a disaster. Astor's time at the World Series last night and when I say that I mean it we weren't able to get into the game. We sat at security for two hours until the fifth inning got there before Simone biles opening pitch where she did like a 360 flippy thing in there would've been awesome to see couldn't get in because we got our tickets from the MLB and not seek two hours of waiting two hours of people going through my phone trying to figure out the MLB Ballpark app, which has a 1.7 rating. Should have I wish I had two more hands so I could give that app for thumbs down it is it was a disastrous evening? Yeah, we finally get inside and the MLB Representatives that ran our tickets in there to us because our tickets were in the cloud right so we couldn't get the tickets. They somebody emailed me tickets from the MLB does own said hey, we got you. We're got a good relationship with the MLB. We have The Change-Up show. We stream their rights we can get you tickets. I was like, you know we Have a seat guys like one of our main sponsors we can they're like nah, the MLB they should be client tickets. They should be good. They email us these tickets to get these tickets. I thought I would just open them up and get the barcode we do is walk right in sure didn't know that it wasn't that until we got directly through the security to the ticket person. I opened up the email and it's like, oh now you got to download the MLB Ballpark app. So I download the MLB Ballpark at relatively quickly by the way, good service there get that. Now. I have to verify that that ballpark app is linked to the ticket. Getting okay. I verify that then I have to link the tickets from that one to the app. Ok, then I'll link that. Then. I have to go onto the website verify that that app is me that I linked the tickets and I confirmed it then I had to do that. Then I go back to my app where it says there should be the tickets in your wallet no tickets. So then every human on earth that worked for the Houston Astros in the MLB last night for two hours was telling me how do you do know how to turn on the Wi-Fi they were telling me. Do you know how to reset your phone? Can you close out the app? Do you know how to do that? At yeah, I closed out the MLB Ballpark app. No less than a hundred forty five times in two hours. I had about seven to eight different people trying to go through it and all the while myself all the boys Matt Hasselbeck Molly McGrath. Adam. Amin didn't go but us we're all standing in just a 10 foot by 10 foot area kind of held in purgatory for two hours. Not a single screen of the game in sight only sounds of what's happening out there. It was a disaster. We have it. We're going to make a mini film out of this thing and it Today I realized that you should never not use seek. Even if you go directly to the league you're going to get screwed because we go into the thing after waiting two hours after having my phone fingered by no less than 45 people after me walking back and forth while this whole Purgatory thing. I let everybody walk in front of me. Okay you go first, you know. Hey, I'm the one that got all these tickets. I apologize for this way. It's kind of an embarrassing situation guys. Go first has to back walks in their first. Whatever the MLB Representatives start apologizing. The Matt Hasselbeck start apologizing the Molly start offering up free drinks free food. Whatever you need don't even introduce themselves to us. Don't even introduce them to me. Nothing. Don't even shake my hand. Don't apologize to me. Nothing. This guy named Greg who works for the Houston Astros. He's my least favorite human on earth right now. He didn't even shake my hand. I mean literally didn't even do nothing. They understood that this was an MLB issue that this was their fault. They everybody agreed on the same situation here didn't even introduce himself to me all we talked about it, which I get mad. Back is a very handsome guy 18 year in the NFL quarterback, but he was a guest of mine. Like this was me having these problems pal. It was like you were turtle in the Entourage. None of those the guy turned his back to me at one point and I literally walked up to him. It was like probably five minutes after he just didn't introduce himself to us or whatever all of us. We're just basically hasselbeck's Entourage words, by the way. I mean, there's worse things to be I guess a man has two books Entourage. I guess there's there's worse things than that. So at one point I said almost like hi. My name is Pat. And you can fornicate apologize to me too, and he laughed in my face and then turn his back to me and then continue to talk to Matt Hasselbeck about where he get a hat looks like who nobody wants to buy a $90 hat right now pal our seats weren't the original seats were in like growth 34, but it was incredible. It was awesome to get in there. We did in there to fifth inning we get a chance to see about an inning and a half a good baseball and then the Nationals just took the top off the damn thing and I think it's on record as being the worst World Series game in history. So we waited two hours to get into the worst world. Here's game in history. And then we left before the ninth inning. Yeah, it was a long night terrible night. It was cold as once we got in there. It was very cool. I've obviously never been to a World Series game before the atmosphere was electric it specially there at the little gate area with the detention area that we were in we were literally in a Purgatory 5. It was a Purgatory at once in the park beautiful Park. The people were abuzz it was electric for one inning and then the shelling began. Yeah. It was bad. It was bad. We're not out of control very quickly. I guess we didn't get to see a lot of Good stuff there and first four Innings, I guess some good stuff happened Tashkent one away with the Houston Astros hat, but he definitely was not pulling for the Astros in there. Especially after that Greg guy. Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, they were massive underdogs the Nationals were so you know too good of a situation not to bet on them. So I did and like hey, we've been saying it for a while Seema Destiny. My destiny. I hadn't and Burke said yesterday didn't believe in it. They just took the Astros top two horses to the glue factory the last to know Like they might they might sweep on the World Series is very interesting because foxy and I had this decision yesterday foxy cancelled, Michigan by the way. Yeah, cancel it all you're done. He's got some Michigan State cancel Jim Harbaugh cancel all Detroit sports. They stink and Ford trucks obviously stink. Okay foxy that's on the podcast. He doesn't one of the most epic ramps I've ever heard foxy Go On by the way, there's a little bit of fire, but it's something he believes in last night you and I agreed seventh eighth inning. I forget what it was. Yeah. We looked at each other because there's another conversation. Relations happening around us as the fans were just filing out of the stadium which potentially is their last game of the year. They're just walking it out and down six or eight whatever it was at the time. I looking foxy foxy looks me baseball stinks doesn't it? In fact, she was baseball does thing and then I was like, but if they hit 10 runs in this ninth inning, it's the best sport of all time turns out they didn't so we're a hundred percent right baseball sucks stinks. It sucks. It's so bad. I don't know how anybody likes it. I have no clue how anybody likes that. That sport but you're letting last night's experience kind of Tainted a little bit. I mean, I wouldn't do that overreact. I think of the hospitality. We got a Yankee Stadium. Oh, you know, I mean there's a flip side to that. There's some teams that just do it right and then there's some teams that just refuse to do it right turns out the Astros are are the latter not the former Zito won a bunch of money from these little wedding games. We did during yeah, he was hot. Give me Jose channel one point. Yeah. Yeah. It was for you. You're right Jose Altuve just so happens to be the same has the same name as Jose Zito Perez and they had a Jose early whenever they were still in it and boy. Well, I guess it was like fifth inning. It was they're still at anything and Zito lit up. Honestly. I thought there was a time there where z0? I actually thought you thought that that was for you. I think I was just God what do you call like those guys that found the costume. I just put my hands up and I was ready to go. Yeah Gladiator. Yes. Those guys have fought the Coliseum remember the boy was water park anyway, so that's how we feel about the Astros in the world series that guy Greg's worst. I work and I don't know where yes, he's a punk dude. I felt so bad too because there's nothing less that you would want to do than to deal with your phone and other people you were walk around the stadium trying to get these tickets then we finally do get the tickets and Greg it walks up the hassle behind. To me because all of us were sitting back while you're doing all of the work and we're just cracking jokes about it. Well in the people at the window that treat you like maybe it's your fault. You don't know how to use your phone first what you're very good at your phone. Yes, there were and we brought everyone you could possibly want expert wise to look at it people from the MLB. We had Engineers from our side they flew in an engineer from Apple. I'm pretty sure to go through it. So it's like it's not our fault. Well, then they told us that they can't just give us the tickets because they could see the tickets on the screen, but they couldn't Give us the tickets because the MLB gave us the tickets and they put it on lock. So nobody at the building could do anything until somebody from the MLB and then somebody from the MLB came and they were the people that apologize to have some back to Molly and gave them a free drinks and stuff Daphne. Well, it was just an unbelievable situation. It was unbelievable. It'll be a mini film. It'll be a tragic is what is it called the tragedy? Yeah, it'll be a dramatic tragedy of the day. We thought we didn't have to use seek and instead a nightmare happened. Yeah lesson learned. That's a bad thing. All right, I'm going to do something. I want you to tell me what movie was from. Hey. Sandy attaboy Zito one of Adam Sandler's movies that got ripped off. It should have won at least 10 Awards unbelievable got like seven hundred million views on Netflix. No awards that you watch it die. Now I have are you kidding me? Well Tim Donaghy said will Sansa is about to be an Academy Award winner will sassy says they were all yeah. I didn't know his name, but I don't know if that was the accent. It was a accident by the way that Tim Donaghy interview was fucking wild bro. Landing gear just went down Samir Briggs. Just took his from 800 miles an hour. You probably know why 340 miles an hour right now and assume this is fucking outrageous how fast we were going earlier. I still don't understand all these things get up in the fucking Sky. I don't fully understand it. The guy told me it's like a like when you hold the end of a hose that you shoot the water out. There's some theory that is used with that explanation. That's how they're fucking plane is flying. That's interesting to me. I don't know what the hose is. I don't know which one's my thumb. I'm just hoping it's a little bit more consistent than when I used to spray my fucking car down. This is insane. We would like to talk to you today about something that draws fear for many a man. Whenever it's time to trim the kitten caboodle, sometimes you can be scared that you're going to pick your ball sack. All right. I mean hey, thanks for looking out lady. I really appreciate that. 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On today’s show, Pat wraps up the week from above 30,000 feet on the fastest bird in the sky on the way back from Houston to Indianapolis. Included in today’s show are a couple of incredible interviews. First, Pro Bowler/Super Bowl Champion, and now analyst on ESPN, Ryan Clark, who covers all the big news happening in the NFL right now including Tom Brady potentially playing for a new team next year, Emmanuel Sanders and John Elway’s beef, and who his Super Bowl Contenders are in the AFC and the NFC (2:22-17:00). Next, All-Pro Linebacker and reigning Defensive Rookie of the Year, Colts standout, Darius Leonard joins the show. They chat about why this Colts team is clicking on all cylinders, what it’s like playing for Frank Reich, how Jacoby Brissett has performed so far, and what the expectations are for the Colts moving forward (20:32-32:44). Lastly, former All-Pro and Pro Bowl guard and friend of the show, Josh Sitton, stops by. They chat about the Packers success and if this is the happiest he’s ever seen Aaron Rodgers, whether or not the 49ers are for real, and his thoughts on Drew Brees potentially coming back from injury early (34:45-46:24). Also included is the wild story about how Pat and the boys were stranded outside of Minute Maid Park in Houston while trying to access their tickets for Game 2 of the World Series. It’s a good one. Come and laugh with us, cheers.

For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teach starter. We say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom Buzz got to teach stutter.com if through my research I can make just one casual teacher feel heard recognized empowered or validated about their experiences and their role. I think that to me means more than anything in the world hi and welcome to For the Love of teaching I'm from when Brady on this week's episode. I'm talking with minyak me who has been a professional casual relief teacher for five years. Minami is also completing full-time study as a PhD candidate at Macquarie University and her field of study focuses on experiences and identities are casual relief teachers. Welcome in our me. Thank you so much for appearing on the podcast. No worries. And so excited to be here at such an interesting person and I was really Keen to get your perspective. I'm having done all this research, but also personally worked professionally in the field of casual teaching on the identities. And what's happening in Australia with relief teachers at the moment what they're going through what are their challenges? What do they love about their jobs? I'm also personally interested because I was a really teacher on and off over the years. So I guess if you could start off by just telling us a little bit about yourself as an educator, that would be amazing. Yeah, of course. So as you said I have been teaching for about five years and mostly that's being on a casual basis. So I wasn't offered a full-time role straight out of University. So I just decided to get my foot in the door of Education through casual teaching. So I taught on a casual basis around five different schools my first year out and then I landed a part-time contract doing rff so release from face-to-face teaching And then I started my Master's full-time. So this year I'm back to Casual teaching while I complete my PhD but one or two main schools, I would say awesome. So you've got to know a lot of schools in your area. I would say so so I dropped off my resume when I was in my first year out at pretty much every school within, you know, about 30 to 1 hour radius of public transport. So I think I have gotten to know. No, mainly my local schools. But yes, I'm schools. I haven't been back to you in a really long time just because I've already kind of found one or two main schools that I can I can still sort of see as home base. So how do you balance everything when you're teaching and you're a full-time student? Yeah, it is a bit of a Juggle but what I really love about both casual teaching and being a PhD candidate is that even though both are really hard work? They're really flexible. In terms of getting to set your own schedule. So if I'm feeling really overwhelmed with my research or have like tight deadlines coming up with conferences, then I might have to decline work for week in terms of casual teaching or I'll teach during the day and then I come home and then I'll work on my PhD so it is a bit of a Jungle Sometimes but innocence. I feel like I get the best of both worlds. I can experience being in the classroom, but at the same time I'm doing research about teachers within Academia. So I'm really lucky in that sense. But I do recognize that I'm lucky to have the support of my parents and partners and colleagues to make that sort of work-life balance possible in terms of you know, financially. So yeah, just kind of flexibility comes with a lot of support from all my loved ones. I think you definitely are lucky to have that because one thing that teachers report is their satisfaction in their jobs is largely. Raisa to the amount of support they have not only from their their family and their friends but also from their administrators and from their school based staff that they're working with on a daily basis or weekly basis. So it's really interesting. Yeah, I mean obviously teaching is about relationships and I think a lot of people would agree that building that Rapport and that's supportive collaborative base with the staff is really really vital for teachers to find meaning in their work. So yeah, I'm really lucky that, you know all my schools that I work at have really beautiful stuff that support me my growth as an educator. Even if I'm a casual teacher. Yes, exactly because I think that we do need to view casual teachers as professional Educators. There's lots of reasons people decide to go into casual teaching but that brings me to another question for you, which is because you are such a passionate and creative and intelligent. And obviously you are to be able to maintain both of these roles successfully and it is a Juggle and you admit you know, you're up front in saying that it's not always easy. But why didn't you decide then to keep going with the contract once you had that first contract you could have just kept going getting contracts and then and classes what made you decide to be a I guess a career casual educator, right? That is a really important and interesting question and And yeah, I haven't really thought about it myself. I think it's just more not that I don't want to be in the classroom. I think he was just more that the more I did research in the university and higher education sector the more I fell in love with it and the more I fell in love with research. So yes, I did get a couple of teachers at my casual schools are you know asking fucking take on the full-time contract and I declined Because I knew that I point out at this stage in my life. I wanted to pursue my PhD and I felt like I didn't want to putting half the effort. So I knew that if I were to pursue a full-time PhD degree, then I wouldn't really be able to put my whole professional vibrant self into teaching in the classroom and I felt like it was just hard to juggle both. So when I started my PhD two years ago, And I knew that I would like to for now just focus on my studies. So I mean, I think that's what's so great about casual teaching is that I don't want to disconnect myself from you know, classroom and realign nature of teaching but at the same time I still want to pursue my own interests in terms of Academia. So I hope that answers your question. That is actually a really great response to that question Minami. I think that when we look at casual teachers our kind of societal perception has to shift a bit in in thinking there are reasons varied reasons why people consciously choose to be a relief teacher and in my professional experience of meeting a lot of Supply teachers. I've met supplying casual teachers who are parents like myself and don't want to have the commitment of a full-time class as students like yourself who want to commit themselves to full-time. I'm academic Pursuits and then there's people who you know, enjoy a different career at the same time. And I think that that actually brings something to Casual teaching those life experiences that people are having outside of teaching are offering them something to offer that on offer to their students. So well done. I really I really applaud you recognizing at such a kind of early stage of your career that you still have other Passions. And that you wanted to pursue. Yeah, I mean obviously teaching is a really intense role and it's a really big responsibility. It's also a lot of a great privilege to be able to work with so many students than shape their minds and shape their future. So I definitely want to jump into it when I feel like I can give my best self as an educator. So yeah, maybe when I finish my PhD, that's something that I would consider. The dye bucking. Yeah. Yeah and like we have these long careers. We're working in this profession for you know, 30 to 40 years so that the developments and changes that we got undergo a ourselves obviously reflect in the types of work that we're taking on so, I'm really interested to hear more about your thesis because it's surrounds everything to do with casual teaching and I just think that's such an interesting topic because I think you know, that's a good on you. Thank you for holding it. What is your thesis actually called? So the title is Yet to be confirmed but it will be along the lines of experiences and identities of casual Leaf teachers in Australian primary schools. So quite wordy, but I want to investigate the realities of casual teaching in Australia. And also how casual teachers conceptualize their identities as professional Educators in their practice. Fantastic. Amazing. And how far along are you in your study? I'm coming to the tail end of my second year so I will be Submitting my thesis, hopefully on January 20 21, so I'm more than halfway through and I think I'll get there in the end just baby steps out. That is so exciting. That is so exciting. And I know it must feel like a long-term thing and it's very labor intensive and and must take up a lot of your time. But you are doing such a great job. So keep going. What are you hoping to gain by completing the study? Yes, so it's basically too. Fold so first I want to find out more about casual teachers and who they are how they how they came to teach on a casual basis what their everyday experiences are their challenges and how they overcome their challenges and I guess in the long term, I would love to be able to influence some sort of policies surrounding casual teachers. So whether that's about accreditation or you know, career progression or anything else in the broader context of educational policy that can be Approved I would love to be a representative of this really significant and important work force in this educational Arena. It sounds like you have some really clear amazing goals set out for yourself. And that is something to definitely be proud of I'm really impressed with how much thought and attention you've put into this so well done now because it just sparked my interest when you said you want to help to inform some policy around education. What do you think are some of the problems with policy regarding casual relief th you get Australian at the moment? Yeah, I think the biggest challenge that is facing casual teachers according to the survey that I did for casual relief teachers the lack of access so lack of access to information surrounding accreditation is probably the biggest challenge. So casual teachers have in New South Wales five years to complete their accreditation, but But for example the first criteria to become a proficient teacher is know the students and how they learn and I guess as casual teachers who are by their very nature are very transient itinerant rolls. It's hard for them to know the students on a very deep basis and to know how they learn so just completing accreditation and gaining information about how to reach proficient status as a casual teacher is lacking in schools, and I think there were some It's you even wanted accreditation to be different for casual teachers so that it's more in alignment with the nature of their work. And I guess another thing is lack of access to professional learning. So if you don't have one sort of home-based schools that your base that it's harder for both teachers to access, you know training about how to be you know, how to keep improving their practice as As Educators. So those are the two main challenges. I think yeah, it is very hard to just attend professional development courses at a school. If you're not on permanent staff. It's kind of a very tricky situation and I think a lot of CRTs end up paying for their own PD, which is then an expense that they are paying that teachers attached to schools. Don't incur are there any bodies that are out there created to support casual teachers? I know that class cover is a really Really visible sort of platform and they provide professional learning and some accreditation hours for casual teachers. As far as I'm aware class guy. Yes hundred percent love what they do. And actually I think they are having that coming up very soon. They have a digital PD where people can log on and view the seminars from the comfort of their home. So you don't even have to get to Sydney. You could be anywhere in Australia and do that. So great. Yeah. It's perfect. I like the fact that you know, there's online communities and there's ways to actually access these sorts of information and yeah really have reached Rich networking opportunities without leaving your house. So I think is fantastic opportunity. And do you participate in like you said you did a study recently. I'm wondering how you came about the participants for that study. Yep, so I recruited basically all online. So there is a Facebook group called relief teaching ideas page. I think they change it now to relief teaching and classroom teaching ideas page. So now it's inclusive of all teachers not just casual teachers. So at the moment, I think last time I checked I had about 60,000 members. Yeah big community. Yes, really big great community and but admin and administration for that group was really kind to let me post recruitment posters on the forums and that's really yeah how I got all my participants in that in that one group. That's amazing because that would have enabled you to also reach teachers in such a wider geography than just in your local area. So that's right and ultimately it's going to help us all whatever you discover and whatever recommendations that you can make is going to help the profession. So I'm so glad to hear that other teachers and admins of these Facebook groups are supporting your your work and what you're doing. Yeah, really grateful and obviously all research is completed in collaboration and with support of other teachers and with my supervisors. So yeah, I'm definitely excited that this project is taking off. But yeah, it's just me supportive a lot of people in the background. Yes. Amazing. Well done. Thank you. So it's sort of covered. On the challenges faced by CRTs, but one of the best things like just for a little bit of positivity what are some of the great things about working as a CRT, but they report to you themselves was I mentioned earlier. It's the flexibility. So just being able to have the ability to turn down work if they really have to or say, you know, obviously have responsibilities caring for a child or you know other Cara. Abilities another benefit that I've have had from especially new graduates is that they have the opportunity to access and observe multiple different classrooms. So if you are a classroom teacher you only have your set of 30 students, whereas if you're a casual teacher you gain a really wide range of exposure to different students different staff different schools different classroom settings and observe what works in one school. Not working other schools how they want to set up their classroom is no future what sort of behavior management strategies they may want to utilize themselves. So yeah, just having that wide range of options in terms of looking at different classrooms and different practices of more experienced teachers is so beneficial. I think those seem like really great benefits to the role of the relief teacher and definitely I experienced those as well talking. To you makes me really fondly remember that experience and I've met so many people who were I guess career relief teachers, they make their career of that job and they are so talented and good at their job and it takes a very specific skill set to be a relief teacher and it's definitely nice to think that if you want to mix things up in your career or you're at a different life stage and you want to do this, you know, you can pick up 5 days a week and be a full-time casual related to the work is out there people. Always going to get sick people are always going to need PD leaves. So it's going to be it's a it's a place where people who are after the work will definitely find it. I have seen in one group recently. A lot of teachers casual teachers saying that they cannot find work in term for they've had one call alter more, you know, and I think that it does ebb and flow throughout the year. Obviously it's reporting period now and people are very reluctant to take time off work no matter how run down or sick they are but What's your view on that? Do you think that there is work available for people? Yeah, I think there are a lot of different factors that dictate how much you work. And how many days you are offered. I think probably the thing that will determine your likelihood of getting work the most easy or geographical area. So some areas might be really in demand and others, you know, there are a lot of casual teachers also wanting to work in that area too. So it might be a little No competition, but I feel like yeah, if you take into account the geographical area and the time of the year, so as you said 10 format be a bit quieter time one might be a bit quieter except for those two, I guess factors. There is ample work available. What in my experience anyway, I'm sure there are lots of other casual teachers who are struggling to get you know their foot in the door. So yeah just really depends on your individual circumstances. I think but I feel like in order to increase your chances of getting casual work. Maybe I think the best advice I can give is to go into a school and be prepared to be a very very flexible. So if an executive staff asks you to take on a different stage from like you were offered in the beginning. Yeah, you just kind of have to roll with it. I think, you know interviewing executive stuff. Next study they really appreciated casual teachers who are flexible in that way and we're open to changes and were willing to accommodate some of the things that might suddenly come up in the world of teaching because teaching is Click paste and dynamic and you just have to adapt to that I guess other than flexibility what our executive staff after in in casual really teachers. It sounds kind of cliche but executive stuff really appreciated those cars. Your teachers who are themselves in the fact that casual teachers do have the ability to bring their own unique abilities and perspectives as a teacher to classrooms. So, you know, Deputy principles and principles are really appreciated that fresh new perspective or skills that you may be able to bring so, you know, whether that's new ideas on how to teach a lesson in certain way or how to integrate a new digital tool or you know, even like new behavior management strategies. So according to executive staff they Really want casual teachers to bring their own expertise to the job. So if you are yourself and you have new new ideas, definitely, I think yeah bring that on in the classroom. I agree is a place where you can have creativity and have an impact on those students. That is a wonderful gift that comes with the job that you do as well. So you're too big tips from from admins or executive staff are to be authentic and to be very flexible as you Said everyone's experience is different, but it's so great to hear this from you know, the perspectives of the administrators themselves. So how many people did you interview in that portion of your study? So at the moment I have about 5, so I would love to recruit more. But yeah, I think at the moment it's just such a busy time of the year that I'm struggling to get participants. Can we help you with for the love of teaching if anyone's listening and they're an admin in a school. Can they can they contact you anyway to participate in the study? Oh, yes, please. Um So the best way to contact me would be by email. So it Minami dot a cheetah at HD r dot m q dot edu dot a you so it's so but the long email right and what I will do me now me is put your if you're comfortable. I'll put your information in the show notes. So if you're listening to this podcast, like right now you can jump on down to the show notes section 5 Min armies email address. And shoot her an email. So principal Deputy principles. Even you know, APS that higher corrosion or teachers. Yeah, I would love to hear from you. So you've said to me in our conversations previously that you really firmly believe that casual teachers are under recognized and under represented in the media and we are definitely working to help with that. I think I think casual teachers are quite easy to overlook by the very nature. They said, you know, you don't Always have that consistent interaction with casual teachers if you're a student, so you might you know, remember your favorite teacher from your childhood, but it might be harder to remember your favorite casual teacher because we essentially feel a gap when there's a need. It's just easy to forget that we exist. It's sad, but yeah, I mean, we're still obviously very important in The workforce and you know research has aided that casual teachers teach a student for cumulative equivalent above do like one year throughout their time in schools from kindergarten to year 12. So we do make up quite a significant proportion of the teaching Workforce. I think they're underrepresented because we're not as visible as you know, your main classroom teacher, but hopefully with my research I can turn that around a little bit or try and make Casualty, which is a little bit more. Yeah visible and give them I'm give us a platform in order to speak about, you know, our challenges and our realities and our experiences lovely. That's so great. I'm so impressed with your passion and your dedication to doing this on behalf of casual teachers of Australia and something that we need to kind of look more in depth into so a really great field of study and thank you so much Minami for joining me on for the love of tea. Teaching thank you so much for having me. Thanks for listening to this episode of For the Love of teaching. Don't forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast app so that you get the latest updates on all the newest episodes.

Minami has been a casual relief teacher for five years. She's also a PhD candidate at Macquarie University, studying the perspectives and challenges of relief teachers. In this episode, Minami talks about why people choose to enter relief teaching roles, how many are finding fulfillment professionally as casual teachers, and she tells us about the findings of her research. In particular, Minami speaks about the qualities that school executive staff are looking for when hiring relief teachers, and the obstacles relief teachers are facing.If you're a school administrator and you could help Minami by participating in her survey, please email her at minami.uchida@hdr.mq.edu.auInfo on the upcoming RTCON2019, the virtual relief teachers' conference by Class Cover!Join us in our new For the Love of Teaching Facebook group, where we chat about the podcast, feature live vids of guests, and talk teaching!Have you subscribed to For the Love of Teaching? It means you'll be the first to know whenever a new episode is released.For the Love of Teaching is a podcast by Teach Starter. We make quality, downloadable teaching resources that save teachers hours of time and make their classrooms buzz!

Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to a bonus episode of nightmare on film street. I'm John Kim today. We are counting down our top 10 picks from 2018. Yes, we could have up to 20 different movies on this episode. We each picked 10. Neither of us knows what the other picked all films that we saw for the first time this year that either got a full release or a festival release. This is going to be a fun episode. Yeah. We got a bunch of Europe X horror movies Festival funds like he said and I will say we are very much a horror movie podcast, but when it comes to festivals you you end up dealing with genre film a lot. So although maybe one or two of my pics may not be specifically horror. I think they are genre related and I think as a horror fan, you'll appreciate them. I am sure you guys know how I stand I think everything is whore everything can be classified as horror all those horror naysayers, you know. Who you are if it's dark if it's weird if it's if it can be called genre, then it's a horror film to me. And as far as I'm concerned every single film we're going to mention today is a horror film in one sense or another. Oh, yeah, I'd say the ones that are the farthest away still do that thing where like, oh, I feel like I'm having a heart attack right now because it's so tense which I would say or for the body or the soul horror Soup for the Soul. This is Chicken Soup for the McCobb Soul everybody. Yeah are those books still around? I don't know, okay. Well as if we have an aunt in the hospital you want to kick it off. How are we gonna know you got mad at me last year for going first because all of us like I got to say a movie that you were picking before you so I think I think you did. You start you went first last year. I'm pretty sure are you getting irritated? All right. Okay, I will go first we did we did reiterate. So some of these movies are not actually out out yet that may be annoying upon first. Listen, you might be like what the name of these are out, but I think it's going to be fun. There's a bit of a blend. So some of these movies you can check out right now if you haven't already seen them so you can use it as kind of recommendations and then the other ones you can kind of have to look forward to in 2019. Yeah, right exactly. I kind of don't love the lists that are just movies that are available right now because it's just recapping things. You've already seen like you yes. I know everybody's talked about all of the great movies that came to the theater, but I kind of want something else to look forward to so we're trying to Do that. Well, yeah, these are a great like, what did I miss or what? What should be on my radar from 2018? That wasn't so Kim. I don't know if you know this you are hesitating right now. Okay, Creston 8 and get on with it. Just rip the Band-Aid off. Give me your number 10 pick. Okay. So my number ten pick my 10th favorite film favorite genre horror film of 2018 was unfriended dark web. Oh I wrote down thoroughbreds. Yeah. I picked this. I'm sure you guys know found footage is kind of my soft spot. I thought this was a really well executed. It really Nails the computer screen Vibe and when you're watching it and knowing it's a film and not actually somebody just on a computer. It is seamless it also has some really dark cereal murdery stuff and dissent and chaos and society and I just love it man. Like I love that movie. I'm so glad it's on your list. My number 10 spot was was the hardest of this entire list. Because so many films kept going on it and coming off of it because it was the last one that I had and I had a whole handful of movies that I wanted to include unfriended dark. What was one of them that kept coming on and unfortunately came off. So I'm glad at least collectively between the two of us made the list one of us AI has another list my number 10 though terrified. Oh, wow. Yeah, that one's available on shutter right now. There's also an english-language remake coming, which I totally called in my review totally humble. Bragging but I did totally call it. Yeah, even though it's number 10 on my list though. I'd say probably one of the scarier movies of the entire year very scary the fucking way that they build some of the scares this movie is genius. I love how its presented. It's almost a horror Anthology movie that sort of pause. It's an entire neighborhood is haunted rather than just one house don't want to say too much but it is available on shutter right now. If you haven't seen it and I would highly recommend it. What did you write down? What did you think I was going to? I don't want to spoil later films on the list. So I'm just going to say that I did I did not write that down. That's how we're gonna do this. Yeah, you only get two. Oh, I totally called it. I didn't well then I shouldn't have told you what mine was shouldn't like the rules were not clear. It's okay. We were kind of flying by the seat of our Christmas pants. Okay. Oh, it's me again. So my number nine film you definitely did not write down. Oh, it's Suspiria. I didn't love this film initially. We Revisited it and I still Mmm, so I'm totally gonna admit I still don't love it. But I definitely have a bigger appreciation for it. And I think it was the most discussed film of the year. And I think it brought the most conversation. Yeah and films that break out of the mold and make you want to discuss it. I think deserve some credit even if you don't necessarily agree with all the decisions that made so this is probably my least favorite film on the list, but it was the most fun to talk about and yeah, so that's why it made the list. I think it earned it. I think it And being in the genre picks this year. I had a very hard time not putting it on my list. You didn't put it on your list. No, you should have said that because I want to guess that as my number nine pick. No, I would have guessed it higher up. I know I've been talking a lot about it since and it was a struggle. This was the hardest movie not to put on my top ten list because yeah seeing at that second time. I had such a deeper appreciation for it, and I there's going to be no shortage of people telling you to see it so Not necessarily worried like, oh I got to get the word out on this movie. But yeah, when I was putting this list together, there were just there were just 10 other movies that I liked a lot more and it hurt so much. I had that as my number 10 for so long and eventually just swapped it out. But whatever it's what honorable mentions before I'm talking about it right now is though. It's my number nine. It's really funny because you definitely liked it more than me. You definitely still like it more than me. I think that's why I threw my writing pad away. I don't know. You know what it is. It's just that like I have that that second time around I kind of like fell in Of with 80% of that movie but in the end. Yeah, there's there was a lot to talk about and chew on with this one and I think we don't get movies like that all the time. And so I appreciate it. I yeah, I'm giving it an odd but moving on my number nine pick and Kim can go ahead and guess this if she likes my number nine pick is Overlord. Okay. All right. I love this movie. I thought it was fucking crazy. I thought it was absolutely nuts and despite the fact that it's not horror whatsoever except for the horrors of War. It's her the dough that open it now. I'm at the opening 20 minutes. Like the first half of the movie is just a war movie and it's some of those craziest scariest shit that I've ever seen and if it doesn't get an Oscar for sound design, I am removing myself from the academy. I'm stripping my name off the wall. I don't want to be a member of this club anymore, sir. Can you please get out of the lobby? No, I'm writing my name down and I'm stripping it. I didn't write anything down because I am having a really big blank on movies that aren't on my list. So that's okay. I'm not I'm not I've stopped writing stuff down as well. Okay, so - going to try and figure out what you like your number your top two movies. We are going to know what they are. Okay, tell you what, I will just write down what I think is your number one movie. Okay, leave it at that. I'm gonna write your number one movie. It's really between two movies. I'm just Wondering like which is your number 2 in which is your number one. Yeah, I'm trying to figure that out. Okay, I'm going I'm going with the boulder choice because I think that was what you did. Okay. So my number eight pick number eight on my list is Tom bab. Really? I love your list. Yeah every movie that I just I was not brave enough to put on mine as I'm yours. This is a great list. So Tom bad is a really cool Fable story. It's about why I can't even talk about what if Out because it's such a surprise when it comes but it's got elements of fantasy and folklore and it's inter woven with a dysfunctional family story and it's just such a fun watch and it was one of my favorite Festival finds of this year not so, you know Kim has the greatest poker face. I just want to say because occasionally I'll bring I'll bring movies epic man. Can you remember how great Tom bad was she like, yeah, you know, like that's it and oh my God, I guess you didn't like it all that much. It's just because she wants to trick me. Me at the end of the year and and yeah my list. Oh man look good. I wish I was better. I literally gave away two of my pics 20 minutes ago without even realizing it. Yeah in the car. He was just talking about synopsises and I was just sitting there quietly on my phone. Yeah, like oh, so now I know what you what you picked. Damn. That is a great movie and it like your traditional folklore stories No One Is Safe, you know what? I mean? Like, it doesn't necessarily follow a set pattern of like, oh your main character is always going to be Okay and children can never be hurt but once you get into like the old world folklore you realize that the world is cruel. Yeah, and it's like first targets great pick great pick. My number eight pick though, which I think pairs perfectly with Overlord is leeuwen Elle's upgrade a cool. I love Harry movie. We you know, we only saw it once at at the Overlook Film Festival. We didn't get a chance to see it in the theater when it was released in. Canada and if you haven't had a chance, please it's all available on Blu-ray right now. If you have a Best Buy gift certificate burning a hole in your Christmas stocking right now, I would absolutely recommend spending it on this movie it is wild it looks fucking great and it's like every super cool high-concept sci-fi movie that you saw from the 80s that's like really simple and focuses on a small story while there's a bigger World outside of it. It feels like a much bigger movie than it is and to interrupt you like all those Concepts in whatever, I'm great. That sounds fun. Super not interested in sci-fi stuff, but the action sequences alone how well they're directed and now well, what's the name of the lead actor Logan Marshall Green Logan Marshall Green. If you remember he plays the Jesus type character in the invitation the really quiet horror drama and see him inside a role that requires such physicality and it's totally directed every second every movement. It's fucking cool. Yeah. I'm sure you guys are familiar with it. He is he's paralyzed from the neck down, but with the assistance of stem technology, he's able to have control of his body again and to watch him react to his own body just like tearing people apart is insane because the the face acting has to be completely different from the the bodily actions bodily actions. That doesn't make sense the muscular movements. Yeah. No guys, it's cool. That's such a good movie whenever we at 7-7. All right. My number seven is Not on your list because I don't think you loved it as much as I did bad times at the El Royale. Yeah, I'll let you talk about it. I just thought it was super fun. It's kind of a crime Ensemble Thriller and it's definitely set with a vibe that I'm totally about. It's got that cool like 50s. Hay day, but it's definitely not in its Heyday anymore. So it's got a little bit of that dirt and grime and it's a lot of people were calling it Quentin Tarantino light and I'm totally fine with that. I like a light dose of Quentin Tarantino and this The movie was definitely that yeah, I don't know that that really does the movie any favors, but I do think it explains exactly what you're in for to say that it's Quentin Tarantino lights its own thing. So I don't necessarily love saying that yeah, it's hard to describe it. Any other way though, because Quentin Tarantino has definitely claimed the crime Ensemble film. Yeah silent generation sort of thing exactly the set pieces in this movie are great. The performances are awesome. The music is killer. Especially given especially given them one character does a lot of the singing in the scenes. It's so great music-wise. I wasn't super in love with it story-wise my love it but it's a good movie. It was really fun. My number seven. However, also a crime movie David Robert Michels under the Silver Lake. Wow, you've got to be higher in the list. We have had different movies. So far the entire time. Yeah. Good point. This is such a surprise only half. We're all we're not even halfway through the list though this could roll over. It is a very that's a surprise. I'm surprised you didn't think that would be on there knowing okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking. I will honestly say I was surprised that this was only at number 7 when we when we saw this movie and Fantasia. I was like fuck. Yes best movie of the year. Holy shit. I love this. I am constantly obsessed with film Noir especially this year and I think this movie yeah, so thanks for that man since we saw this movie I have been watching you are every day. Day, oh no ours fir ever. Nor does it every meal like this? That's the diet that I'm on right now. I know our a day keeps the new ours present. Yeah, it's great. It's driving him nuts, but I'm loving it is because then after he's like member that one more than what they rob the bank or whatever and I was like, what do you mean all of them? What like was the seventies when we watched it yesterday and I was like what so this this movie is is super awesome. If you love movies set in Hollywood if you love movies about movies, or Are just like Weird Mysteries, if you love that La hard-boiled Noir, this is a hundred percent for you. But this movie has had such a strange release. It was originally scheduled for summer. Then it got pushed to December. It's since been pushed to April of 2019, but I will say that there was a rumor going around the movie was being cut and reworked and changed. Apparently that's not true. So the version that we've seen that we fell in love with at least I did is that I should be the version you're seeing in April and I would absolutely recommend it if David Robert Mitchell doesn't sound familiar. He is the writer director of it follows. And while this isn't as horror e it is such a cool follow-up and thanks for that. Kim has to hurry. I thought there was more in there also in its own way. Very Tarantino esque it borrows from so many classic films without without seeming like it's Rippen, so my number six pick is definitely going to be the first film that has a list crossover. I know a thousand percent that this is on your list. All right has to be on your list because of how much we talked about it this year. Hmm. My number six pick is lose. Oh, yeah. Only number six. Okay, we've talked about it a lot. It's a really broken down exorcism film. It doesn't have the whole Catholic Church aspect. And it's very isolated and small and creative and explores how to tell and convey a story and different alternate timelines without ever leaving the timeline you're in and I thought it was a really well-executed film. Yeah. I have not stopped thinking about this movie since we saw it. I want to watch it again. Like I'm so bugging to see it again. I I saw it at a small screening. I dragged Kim out to it. We almost saw it again. Texas I will continue to watch this movie over and over and it's only like 70 minutes. It's trimmed of all fat. It's super super great has this 80s aesthetic that I think is awesome. And he's 17. Okay. It's light years 70s early 80s aesthetic. I will fight you in his seventies and like to sum it up real simply. It's a possession movie that takes place mostly under hypnosis like fuck there's so much. Much good in this movie. I don't have a bad thing to say about it. Yeah, I don't think this one's yet. I think it's still doing its Festival fun stuff. It's scheduled for a first quarter release no specific date, but earlier in 2019. That's great. Well, it's all wet and damp you get to see a really cool position movie. Yeah, I mean cold weather is ideal. Oh, yeah. This is demon time. My number six pick which I think will also be a list crossover is Chang done, Leesburg. Starring Stephen Young from The Walking Dead adapted from Haruki. Murakami's short story. I love her Aguirre recovery. But this movie is fucking incredible this movie is it has so many layers in it. And I really don't think we should talk about it too much. Yeah other than to say a young man meets a girl from his past whoo, he starts to fall in love with until she meets someone else and then there's like This third wheel aspect, but there's some interesting Dynamics and who's getting pleasure from it and who's suffering there's it's a really slow burn movie. It's almost I think it's three hours long. It's a glass. Yeah, but it's totally worth it and you will be rewarded for paying attention. Yeah. I think I'm either think I'm borrowing this from somebody else. I'm almost positive. I heard somebody else described it this way that it's I don't know. It's in the movie. They talk about it a lot how it's Kind of like a modern Great Gatsby as if it were directed by Alfred Hitchcock almost it's very hitchcockian. And yes a very slow burn very rewarding movie very rewarding on a second watch. I'm sure and to be honest I owe him a lot of credit for the love that I have for this movie. She watched it and saw a completely different movie than I did. And while I like them both she was on a whole other level with this move. I feel really bad because that night at the bar we saw this at Fantastic Fest I just like unloaded that movie on like 12 different people and I was like, this is what it means. I hope I'm right because they were probably probably left that conversation being like what the fuck I think the movie is very very open-ended. I think you are supposed to figure that movie out a little bit but it's all there. It's a hundred percent all there and this movie I know is playing in Select theaters right now might be a little harder to find but I do know a theater very close to us in Toronto as playing it. So chances are a major city near you. Is probably playing this right now and I would highly encourage you go check it out. All right, so my number five pick five horror films halfway through the list to make this a top 1200. Well, yeah, that's too much work. Yeah, it's too much stress. I don't know though. I would have had Suspiria on this Loop to my has wealth. So this is another definitely I think we've reached cross the crossover point. I think this is the threshold where we're going to be talking about the same movies. I'm pretty sure I got one. R2 on here then why not be on your list of my number 5. Yeah Mandy. Oh really? My number five is Mandy is it? Yep, I 5 5 twins. No Mandy's just a really cool film. It is washed in hot pink and it is Rage Cage at his finest honestly, like warrant it like the first time it's ever made complete and utter and perfect sense and like I've emoted along with him. Oh, yeah. It's badass. It's confusing and not confusing. It's confounding. Mmm. I feel like this movie just breaks all filmmaking conventions. Maybe not all its it has Beats that it follows that other movies also do but it's like this movie doesn't really begin for an hour and it goes to such crazy plays like if you really say, oh, this is a Revenge movie The Revenge portion of this movie is 20 minutes at the end it is it is so much just like steeping yourself in the old that it's in and yeah, it's just bathed in red and pink and it is such a psychedelic trip to watch and yeah, I think this movie is some of the best use of Nicolas Cage ever. Yeah and one of the things too that I really appreciated it is I was really pumped on seeing this like hard rock and roll movie. I almost thought I was going to be walking into like a Revenge movie with like a kick-ass rock and roll like Satan fingers twist and Fact that it's so slow down and like it's a very chill movie that we don't get to experience films like that anymore. They don't make them like that. Nope films have to keep like a certain Action level throughout the entire thing and to go and see a movie that wasn't afraid to take its time in the movie theater was like a really refreshing experience. Yeah, because they sure you'd be able to to have a movie that's an experience that you're supposed to let wash over you on an indie release on VOD or thing but to go to the movie theater and see that was incredible. Yeah, like especially when we're in this world were always on Twitter. We're always on Instagram. We're clicking between Facebook. We always have our phones and our faces its accelerated culture, but you know what, I mean to go and watch a movie that that is like, you know, what we're going to we're going to hit pause, you know where we're going, you know where this is headed and like we're just gonna like languish in this. Yeah, and I really liked it. Absolutely. So we I guess we should skip order, you know, we know that was both are fives. Yep. Do you want to go for no? Me to go first now. Okay. All right. We'll skip order a little bit my number for a movie that is definitely not on Kim's list, but only because she hasn't seen it yet. Holy shit. Am I gonna make her see it the standoff at Sparrow Creek? I think I've already established that I love film Noir. No, this is the pitch blackest film Noir. There is like that gut punch you have at the end of Chinatown or blowout like this is exactly like that. I it is a hard. Attack in a can like it since it's insane how tense this movie is and honestly it's tense with nothing. It's all dialogue. It's all steeped in paranoia. It's all what these characters are. Assuming is happening. It is so fucking brilliant and it's insane that this is his first movie. It's a release from sin estate who you will definitely know from bronze. I walk 99 and Puppet Master it follows a small militia that have just received word. That a police funeral was fired upon by some crazed gunman they all meet together at their at a lumber yard where they're also storing their grenades and their guns to figure out and make sure that none of them is responsible for it and they're fairly certain. They aren't until they realized that one of their guns is missing which means one of them lied and one of them is definitely the gunman and they need to figure out who it was before they all go to jail was like an Agatha Christie action movie it is so fucking good. I cannot stress to you how Edible this movie as and I will say my top five like Mandy onward all these movies could be number one and it's so hard not to make this movie or Mandy or my next movie. My number one pick. They are all my number one pick. I'm just delving them out to you or just Doling them out to you in a different order. This movie is fucking incredible. I really underestimated the films that you've seen that I haven't seen because I totally Peg Mandy is your number one. That's oh did you? Yeah, you wanna take another shot. I'll give you another shot. Iy know what my second pick is definitely now, right? Is it yep, so my number four pick sorry, the standard fare Creek is coming early January. So like next week. Basically, you've got two weeks to get prepared and oh boy, if you can see this movie in the theater, I highly recommend I said that about every movie but but I mean to sit in a room in just complete darkness, like I think the tension and the paranoia of this movie really settles in an unfamiliar environment like a movie theater, but either way please tweeted me when you see this movie. I need to know what you thought. Okay. And my number four pick you I'd already guessed it pretty early on you didn't put it high enough on the list. My number four was thoroughbreds. I'm very glad it's on your list though. Yeah, it's really stuck with me. It's a really simple kind of quiet. Whorish story. It follows two girls who are kind of forced to be friends and their affluent and board. Basically one of them is maybe Psychopathic and they together plot something devious. And it's all about learning who these girls are. I love this film particularly because of how its kind of staged. It feels like a stage play where you're just watching two characters and we're in these full Rich sets. It's filmed in these really nice houses, but it could very well just be filmed on a student stage with absolutely nothing and you kind of get the same thing because it's not about where they are. It's about these two girls and only these two girls and I loved it. So it's interesting to you because it was intended. That as a play. Hmm. Yeah, and it's if you guys haven't seen it yet. It's so great. And I think the last on-screen appearance from Anton Yelchin, I think so. Yeah, it was filmed like it wasn't the last thing he filmed but it was the it's the last thing I think released. Hmm and it's great. Like he's a complete scene stealer and everything is in. Oh, he's it's and it's a character like you haven't seen him play before. Yeah. He's such a pathetic character. Like we all know that guy who's just yeah. It's like everybody went to high school with that guy like the second you see him. You have so much baggage you Is unload on this character the screen. All right. We're in top three Carrot Top three top three country. Here we go number three for me. Arie Astor's hereditary. Oh my God, I know but like I said, all of these movies can be my number one. Okay, every single hear it. Okay. I mean I did there is no performance in this movie. That is bad. We what we've seen it twice in the theater. We've both read the screenplay. Is that bad to say? No, okay. Okay, I think everybody's written screenplays comment. So great. Okay, if there was a novelization I would read the novelization. You know what though? I have to commend the cut that they finally got down to because the scenes that they caught they cut out were definitely what I would have could have agreed. I think some of the stuff that's in the screenplay that didn't make it to the screen good scenes but not entirely needed. Yeah. I just I love how much this film with holds and how much it tells you and when it decides to do those things and some of those extra scene. I think added a little extra knowledge that it's more fun to play in that realm of like what the fuck? Yeah, and it's crazy to me that people didn't love this movie as much as I thought they would it's a very slow burn. It's my biggest disappointment or 2018 at the world. Just like everybody just didn't love this movie. Yeah, I mean like outside of the inciting incident of the movie. If you haven't seen it there aren't jump scares and I'm fine with that because this movie is just Shred and it's a story about loss and mourning and grief and how it travels from person to person and it's fucking crazy. I love that this movie is just this Crescendo of Doom like it just gets worse and worse and worse. And I think it's like scientifically built to be as scary and unsettling as unof scary and unsettling as possible in the score is great something that I pay attention to the second time, like holy shit the score this He's amazing and like fucking that house is great. Yeah, like the cinematography the performances from fucking literally everybody Alex Wolff to get an Oscar. Only Colette should get an Oscar even a real bird everybody everybody. He honestly I think he's overlooked in this movie the most underestimated like we've seen how many times have we seen it? I've seen this a few times. Yeah, and now every time I watch it I try to watch a different thing the last time I saw it I just watched it from His character's perspective and like fuck does he have a doozy going on? Yeah, and he just he's holding it together for everybody like the rock of the family when like everything is just like descending and he doesn't get any time to himself to like deal with what he's dealing with. Oh man, it's alright and yeah II could just as easily bump this up to number 2 or 1. I love this movie a lot, but I got to stick with it in number three. I got two good movies coming. So my number three film you had already put it on your list. Is burning. Yeah. I had a feeling you'd put this little higher than me. Oh, it's so good so good. There's not really much else I can say about that. We didn't already talked about but just that it I love how ambiguous it is. And there's so many puzzle pieces that that don't quite fit together, but then they do sort of fit together and you're suspicious the whole movie and you don't really have any out right reasons. Why and unfortunately, you're you're so rooting for the lead. Character because he's actually a really decent okay guy and what plays out is just so off but not but not often enough to like phone the police like it is. Yeah. It's a it's a good movie. It's a really good movie. So my number two sorry that it's this is the worst when you have two separate lists because I know you stole all the things I've talked about me. Hey, you help to talk about it with me earlier. So I mean you got your moment to shine. My number-two pick though. I'm feeling this might be what you wrote down. Tillman singers lose. Nope. No, there's no you wrote down. Okay. No, I was completely wrong on your top list. Okay, that's fine. So, yes again, I don't know that there's necessarily much more I can say that we haven't already said this movie is amazing. I think it's my new favorite Possession movie in like Kim said, I think it might be because there's no Catholic priests that are just that just have to pray just a little harder to win. But this movies brilliant also doesn't have Mother's Love, which is another important factor, right? Somebody's possessed by anything. Don't think I have Mother's Love anywhere on this list. Anna Terry. I think his mother's love Mother's love does not save the day. I know God so dark, I love that movie. But yes lose keep an eye out for it. You know, actually you may have it may sound familiar. It is in Sam Zimmerman's Festival finds in the first edition of fangoria. I think he also mentions murdering monster, which is very fucking weird. But lose hopefully that means that it's coming to shut At some point if the curator is picking it out as a great movie. He saw on the festival circuit this year, but regardless keep an eye out for it. I really don't think you'll be disappointed. My number two pick. Hmm is the guilty. Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. I didn't know if you're going to put it on your list because it's definitely the least horror e of the the bunch but this is definitely an emotional film and I really enjoyed it follows a cop. Who's kind of been temporarily demoted to a 9-1-1 operator and it's follows him on one night with one particular call and it is gut-wrenching. It's so hard to watch. Yeah, so fucking and how the story unfolds and most of it is done in your imagination because you're just getting voice as a lot of people you don't ever get faces to match with those voices and it plays out across his face. Hmm. Yeah, I think honestly, I think would not have been hard and wouldn't have been surprised. From anybody else this movie would have cut away from that room but to its credit it stays just with that main character. It's so brilliantly put together and I think it's even darker because we don't see anything else the other side of that call and it works so well for the story because this is a man who is used to action. He's like a jump first ask questions later kind of guy. He's a cop. He's in action the fact that he's locked in this room and he cannot do anything is unbearable for him and fuck. It's a good movie. It's a great movie. A very very good movie, you know, I would have loved to have included it on my list and that there's a few other ones kind of like it but I started putting these movies down and like men the uh, none of these are horror movies yet. It's some point I had to start taking them out. And honestly, I knew it was a guarantee that it was going to be in your top 10. So I wrote it with I think was the second film. I wrote down I will I wrote I did mind the opposite way that you did. I wrote my first list my first film and I was like, okay, what's my second film and then my third film and then I kind of thing move once I wrote it down. That's pretty good. Yeah, absolutely. I moved I labored over mine because like I don't know like there's so many good movies. I would love to include them all and depending on how I feel one day or the other I can swap them in and swap them out. I guarantee if I look at this list again tomorrow, I'm gonna be like, oh shit. I should have moved this around I should have included that also the guilty available right now you watch it right now. You can rent it or buy it but it is available. Definitely check it out totally totally and it's like date night movie like watch it with your girlfriend your boyfriend your dog. Yeah, you want to see the love you want to see your loved ones cry put it on you need an emotional support group for this one. So how you gonna know you're dating a psychopath if you don't make them if you really don't try and force that cry out of yeah, like but don't watch it in front of anybody that you don't want to cry in front of it. So like don't have a bro night and then my number one film and I would not have expected to put a zombie movie on my number one, but my number one movie is one cut of the dead guys. This is the greatest movie I have ever seen. Scene II at the beginning of every year if you told me January 1st. Hey the end of this year, you're gonna have a zombie movie in your top ten anywhere in my top ten. I would have said you don't know what you're talking about. There is no way. I'm putting a zombie movie in my top ten because I'm so sick of them guys. This is news on B movies on your top 10. What's my second? Zombie move Overlord? Oh, yeah zombie movie. Hey, I mean two years ago. I my favorite one of my favorite movies. If not, my favorite movie was trained to boost. On and much in the same way of trading was on. This is not just a zombie movie it is. Oh man. How do I even describe this movie? This movie is definitely best scene with little knowledge all say but the idea of it is that a small film crew has gotten together to shoot a really low budget be zombie movie but surprised they start getting attacked by real zombies, but it's not just that it's also a story about family getting together and just like achieving their goals. It's about just like not compromising your vision and your Artistic integrity when everything says that you should it's like a crazy feel-good movie of the year, but it's also it's also a movie about filmmaking. It's like a love letter to be movies and everything. You awfully good and I'm thinking about it the fact that shape of water was my number one pick last year. I'm a bit of a Off the anything. That's this movie Super surprising and friend of ours at Fantastic Fest said, hey, I really love the beginning and then I really didn't love it. And then I was back to really really really loving it. And I think that's the roller coaster you're supposed to take with this movie. It has such weird decisions and it goes down like the strangest Alleyways of its story but it comes back around and like just like the greatest movie possible. I don't know when it's coming out, but please keep it. Hi, everyone kind of the Dead. I think it's like one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. I had no idea. This was even going to be on your list. Let alone on the top of your list. Yeah. It was very hard not to pick any of the other movies I mentioned is my number one, but this movie is incredible. Okay, so my number one pick, I'm sure you guys all know it is the only film that I have not mentioned yet. Yep. It is hereditary going to show you my handwriting right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I originally had Mandy as your number one and hereditary is your number two, but yeah hereditary just blue. Your way it exceeded All my expectations it was the most Dreadful movie. I saw this year. It was tense. It was uncomfortable. And I think it was scary from the first moment to the last and it built Horror in a way that I think modern horror films don't really like a way that modern horror films don't really use much anymore. And it I don't know the whole what the fuck moment that you have throughout the film is so carefully crafted and the pressure and the weight that they put on you without really understanding. Understanding what's going on, you know, it's all going to come to a head but you don't know how or why or what and it's fuck. It's such a good movie and probably one of my favorite movie theater experiences this year. It was like you said just absolutely unsettling from beginning to end. I think part of that might have been just like the hype machine that came with it. But yeah from moment one, it was scary and I was completely it's like the movie just like grabbed me by the shoulder. Shook me at points. It's great pick. Yeah, do you want to do some quick honorable mentions? I do my honorable mentions just to Rattle off a few that we've already mentioned Suspiria. Obviously, the guilty thoroughbreds unfriended dark web all movies. I wish I could have included on my list but my big honorable mentions that no one has discussed yet bloodfest super fun movie set in an amusement park that's real life. Horror movie. You guys will absolutely love it Puppet Master the littlest Reich just some of the Wildest craziest kills that have seen all year pure bad taste absolute awesome midnight movie and one last honorable mention a very odd film. It's like a Sci-Fi westerns called Prospect. Honestly, I think it'd be a good double bill with Mandy to be perfectly honest, but probably the least horror on this entire list some of my honorable mentions Apostle, which is on Netflix. So, I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen it Go stories, which I think came out the beginning of this year. All right. Yeah, that was a really fun one dolls lab room which is a French film kind of a weird fog type film. It's about family love a quiet place, which was just a really interesting theater experience. Yeah Overlord for all of the reasons John put it on his list the wind which is a really quiet subtle Prairie horror, which I'm totally all about. Yeah and the site Theon which I've tweeted about a bunch of times is a really badass Adventure movie. It's It's been released as the last Warrior. Thanks John. But yes the site the is how you may also find reviews and photos of it. You know, I have to say we did a pretty good job having separate list. I have to say let's just pass all I'm just saying like we had a good variety. I was surprised how few crossovers we had. Yeah, I think last year. It was almost the same list. Yeah. We saw over a hundred genre films that were released this year a hundred new genre films. Yeah. The camera the exact number I think there's like a hundred and twenty or something that would like that's all that's on top of all of the 70s movies in the 40s. You are so wouldn't yeah that's just movies. We saw at festivals in the movie theaters and screeners and stuff. Like I think that's crazy. But let us know what your top films of 2018 were what you loved this year what fell under your radar tweeted us a 1000 FS podcast. You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com slash groups / horror fiends of No fs. And we also have a subreddit. It is reddit.com slash are slash Nightmare On Film Street. Before we go one last real quick question when we be most looking forward to in 2019. Ooh, um, what movie am I most looking forward to in 2019? I'm going to go with pet cemetery. Yeah, and you know, I wouldn't have said that before the trailer, but that trailer is amazing. It is one of the most well done, mate. In horror trailers, I almost put it on my top 10 movies of 2018 just the trailer. Yeah. It was it's so good. It's so well done the sound like the sound design and the the cuts and stuff and the kids the kids with the fucking animal masks like so good. So excited when I think about like I definitely was he dragged across concrete because I fucking love everything sin a state does three from hell's probably coming out sometime next year and Rob Zombie's I am always interesting but I'm gonna call right now the movie I am most looking forward to is not Pet Sematary, it is not it chapter 2 it is the movie that has definitely not been announced and may not come out do those at 19 but I'm fucking betting on it Halloween to that's not going to be on 2019, you know think so. No, then they announced Halloween one like January of 2018. Yeah, but they had a screenplay written and they had Jamie Lee Curtis signed on for I guess that helps 2020 maybe yeah, probably three from hell then very much looking forward to three from hell. Hope you guys enjoyed this bonus episode Merry Christmas. Happy New Year, and thank you for sticking with us through 2018. If you just joined us this year. Thank you for subscribing and listening. You're cool. You're awesome. We love you guys. Thank you for being a fiend. But that's it for us this year. Oh my God. It'll last last podcast of 2018. I'm John Kim. Stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive just long enough to tell the tale. Tale of The Nightmare on film Street. Wow, help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue. This week's conversation on Twitter by following @n o FS podcast. And as always more terror can be found lurking on. Our website www.narang.com street podcast.com until next week. Stay creepy fiends.

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Hello, welcome to the Ultimate Fantasy podcast your One Stop Shop for all things fantasy. Welcome back after the international break. I'm your host.Jose Mari, I know I'm not Josie now, I'm Alfie. Yeah, he's definitely busy a moment. Yeah, I'm here and joining me after soaking up much International breakage to man grieving a certain Argentinian, but don't hold that against him. It's a man with a beard is Nathan Taylor. Hello, Nathan. Hey mate, that's quite cheap holding on holding it together whole lutely get us some of us have got to and we were meant to be joined by the secret journalist, but because of the The things the crazy things that have happened this morning. I eat Josie getting up at what five o'clock in the morning just Clarence got the Spurs job, wherever time it was a negotiation. Yeah, so Phil can't be here. So now I've lost half the listeners now. Yeah. Yeah. So just in case you have stuck around this talk about what's coming up on the show today in part one. Remember came week 12 ask neither. So whatever game week 12 round up looking at FBI. Drop the pan tracks. And yes, we have a quiz question part 2 we talked FPL tactics trouble Matt Kenny AK bowstring the car and Tommy Gun calling in to say I love you part 3 so game week 13 fixtures with statistical analysis and clean sheet predictions. We also hear the training transfers from it burning for and we of course look at notable players part 4 we bring the changes to a park has a PR team have the us to talk was questioned and might talk some beer. So Nathan, yes. Yes. Yes. Come on, let's talk about it. Everyone's talking about it. There's talk about Spurs. Are you and I'm slightly in shock. I'm I'm in shock that he's sacked. I actually I thought he would walk away at some point this season. I'm just shocked the timing of it right at the end of the international break just seems I imagine that they've probably been trying to patch things up because the relationship between him and leave his Definitely disintegrate the last year or so has been very vocal quite strange and some of his press conferences kind of really going to town on the board. And I think they've leave he's probably just had enough of him. Really? No, they're currently on their worst run since George Graham charge 2000-2001. Yeah. That's yeah exactly. Glenn hoddle must have been very disappointing not to have got the call then the Mets. I'm just looking at this and I'm thinking about in terms of Has he managers? Mmm. I don't really see much changing. I mean obviously Josie coming in you could say they're going to be defensively solid but we don't know. What do you think? Yeah, it's hard to know really. I think there are a couple players that things might change around for Lucas more I think for me is probably the one that a lot of spares fans feel that he's maybe been unfairly treated not given enough of a run and the team whenever he's come into the team he's done stuff. He's got goals Usually when Kane's been injured to be fair. Well, really the Champions League run. Yeah and was obviously very unlucky not to start in that game against Liverpool as well. So maybe Lucas Maura for people are looking around for bargain. The other one I think is potentially the left back slot as well with Danny Rose has been an ever-present really in the league and has not been informed. Maybe someone like Ben Davies or although this is Mourinho can't seem trust in sesame on there for now but maybe been Davies and then Eric died who? He's been linked with a lot as a man united manager. Maybe he's a player that Mourinho can see coming back into the team and more regular basis. Although he has played Santa back in the last two games. Basically. Yeah. Yeah, the Josie just wants players is going to run through the wall from Danny. Yeah. I wonder what it means for a player like Giovanni LaSalle. So if we're going to save dos Santos Santos, he's not been there for a while mad at him for let him go let him go LaSalle. So he obviously was a player that Mourinho Mourinho. Budget a Nia really wanted over the summer is an Argentinian. Is he going to be a marinated I played does in that better steamy worked hard been a lot of tackles. You could be a player that mirror and you know likes but it's hard to say at the moment. I met her. I got a few the Miller could be one of his boys. Yeah. Lamella is a Mourinho. Yeah layer that around kick people. It's got bit Talent as well. Yeah, exactly, right there's that do for Spurs. No, do you remember game week 12 No, I think we could do around up actually a week 12 round up. Oh, actually no, let's do the quiz question first. Quick quiz for you, Nathan Christian purely Stitch is the sixth different American player to score two or more goals in a Premier League game is also only the fourth American to score in three consecutive Premier League games. Well, I want you to name the other three cool right now. Let's do the game week 12 Round Up Lester shot No One by beating a selective one predictor with Jamie vardy scoring as everyone predicted an asshole Casino away from home. As everyone but dicted Pepco cry Guide to the referee after live will take advantage some dodgy officiating by bring that success really is built from the back Chelsea secure another Solid Home win and clean sheet this time against title contenders Crystal Palace West Ham show. They really have sailed into playing the West Town Way by losing freedom to dice it destroys you Castle Defenders go go crazy again this time against born with her probably do a bad run Everton the win the battle of the mere in their struggle against Southampton Spurs look in the thing against Champion Iron Man United. Oh against Brighton and wolves, but they've been good. For clean sheets. Yes, only for clean seats this week. Yeah, Lester Watford Burnley Chelsea, you know real gold King goalscoring Defenders yet. Lin Clark has two weeks running for Clark Bulldog. Dunk assist King was Anthony Marshall with to assisting Defenders tarkovsky Robertson Holgate own goals, Roberto and Davey proper as a proper own goal. Ha ha and red cards cab has saline this week's top performing players across there. On draft bodied LFO and tarkovsky profound tracks tarkovsky. Hula Stitch and McNeil Neo. Okay some stats for you right stat Arsenal have kept just to clean sheets in the last 24 away League games stat Southampton have conceded 21 goals in the first six home Premier League games this season. that's like the worst since Blackpool in the 1930-31 season couch out indeed and Stat Chris Wood has scored in all five of his Premier League games against West damn nice not all would this week's top performing players in full pound draft goalkeepers Pope Foster Ryan Defenders tarkovsky Clark to Maury before his never wears and then there's like a whole host of Pliers and like 10 points too many to name forwards VAR D Del FAO and him in Ed's was fan tracks like okay goalkeepers the same dependence the same again, except for the Mean Machine Luca Dean is in there. Nice in Midfield. You've got poulos it Madison and Pereira Andreas and the forwards who'd reckon is the highest ranked forward well tracks this week. It has to be VAR D identify you they've got A golden assist know it is Dwight McNeil that's just ridiculous and they're good player. But yeah, I mean, I know a lot of people of tracks people like The Eternity scoring you look for other things, but there's no way McNeil should be the top forward our he is ready. Yes. Well done to you McNeil regnier all let's talk FPL results may be how right FBI FBI we scored. 64 points this week. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad the average 48. We took a - for hit though, of course because we made two transfers but we did trade in Sun for Sterling and body for Tammy. Mmm. I think we do right? I think we did actually there other than that Robinson and Ricardo did when defense for us as did salla. We originally planned to ship out for mine a yep, but then and I had a moment then I look to the maths. I was like, we've got to keep you. Got to keep Seth are in and get rid of Sterling mine. I did still score those in there. No, but we wouldn't have got rid of stir true. That's when it got some well done. Thanks. Well, that's not what I was looking for. I'm just it was a team effort because you okayed it as well true and we kept in VAR D. Of course because why wouldn't you hey, right despite being above average in our school. We've actually dropped in the overall rankings from a hundred 8432 to Mmm, a hundred and twenty eight thousand two hundred and eight we twenty thousand places that seem to suggest the wheat has been sorted from the chaff right now. It seems a bit harsh consumer above average with down everywhere. We're still number four in the official ultimate fancy podcast Lee Yes listeners the most importantly going to PL. Yeah. If a lobbyist Solomon still Top by seeking out 71 points in see that the 71 points and he seven-point sport. That's he's risen in the overall rank. We took that for - for hit. Don't let don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. All right. Okay nathe of don't you think our listeners should join the hot as league and FPL. They should if any of those are code for such a thing. Hey, do you know what there is the code is PSD bv4? And that's the code for the official ultimate fancy podcast League. Are you in it may know what was that code again? It's psdb V4. I'm not in it because my teams. Yeah, you just told him is the podcast was fine. You know, that's the main one the highest scoring FBO manager for game week 12 overall. Congratulations yussef Khalid whose team uses one seven six one and master hundred nineteen points. Nice. It's a lot, isn't it? Did you know how he did it? Triple Captain VAR D know there's no trouble Captain. Oh, right, you see of had the likes of VAR D who he captained? Yep ings. Me Marshall Mane dunk, chill well and Ryan who and chiboust yet. Well, yeah Ryan scored seven points for brighten. The spikes can see them three girls, maybe that saves so yeah, he did have his bench boost which had Madison police searched. Amorian. Pope strong bench now. Yeah, but you must you must be thinking right. Now. This guy must be a genius. He must be right up there the top can I guess it's regularly so I reckon he is Always in the 6 million Mark 6 million 420. Mm. He's worse than that. It's good guess though, six million. Yes, nine hundred thirty seven thousand six hundred eleven. Wow, that that is rubbish be over 8 million players on their seven million. Oh, yeah, so that guy must be a complete Renegade. Yeah. That's a good squat though. It's a good squad. II don't know but that one I don't I think you're unlucky they Yusuf. Yeah, maybe just joined late right top FBI manager. Overall. Nick. Tana is gone. Yeah controversial dress. Well, it sure is I think maybe get my information or so and it's been knocked off the tops top spot after two weeks by I think mention this guy before mathewchow ha. Hmm. Let's think is Australian or something who actually doesn't well, Look to this. It didn't make any sense because Tanner scored 87 points and tries scored 79, but what I didn't realize and I should realize if PR or never take note of is that the points you lose because transfer hit that, you know, like we did we took - for 1000 got - 12 but it doesn't take off your game week total and takes it off your total to Grant. Oh, yeah, so it's just that to me just look messy and I didn't have it and I put it out there on Twitter, please explain. In this and then people did so that when I thought I would knowledge. I thought I had a mass expose a of my hand who's gonna be the Evas inquiry LA Confidential c-13. So anyway, yeah, so well done Matthew Tura. You'll know talk. Yeah team names. I found some team names Garner mate. So this One I liked just because I respect it won't make sense at first PSV. I know good and it's a why is that good? Because the the manager's name is Owen Hogan. Okay specs that. Yeah, then this one was just really really weird. Hi. You are cute smile winking smiley face. No, that's your reading your emails. So that Russian guy. It's from Connor Ralph. Hey has so creepy. Hi, you are cute winking smiley face. And this one classic Ivory toast. Yes, it's good. Isn't it? Yeah conleth Rooney. Well done doesn't work in French there but no toasted. Wha so how do ya do you got one? I've not seen any of that particular light recently, you know means of war came out. Was a pox of War. Okay. Well, that's the whole what holds the wall was an old PC computer game here. But with Papa, yeah good Hodgson of war with hardship. War could have been caught your boy. Yeah, let's move on then. Yeah anyway, so that is the India F power coverage. It's not really we do bit more that is the end of FPL review will be confirming our changes for gaming. 13 in part for right now, that's time to talk about draft fantasy. Hmm. I don't know about you Nathan. I can't really remember what happened. I can remember distinctly what happens. Can you all right? Okay, so I've got here my nose Nathan now three wins in a row absolutely being issue word. What was what was the 44th? 44:28? Yeah. I mean it's a low-scoring fixed go away with it again. Alright. A lot of points on the bench again. I need to look at my team selection because you have on the bench. I had wood on the bench and I think ward-prowse again on the bench. No, it was another high-scoring midfielder. You've reached James is well, didn't you are reached James. Yeah didn't get off the bench and he got so old bonds. Yeah. I'm into the squad didn't trust into I thought that actually he would come on as as sub-province star. I thought he was close to the Fest in but not quite there exactly. Why I thought it yeah, do you fancy him again? City is tackling stats are quite good. So even if they don't clean sheet I'm going to I think take upon him and then they've got a very nice Runner fixtures coming up as well Chelsea, which I want to talk about later. Yeah. Yeah, of course. I've got Willian in my team. I thinking I might drop him. Again City hard-working though. He's hard-working, but we'll get onto majesty and Chelsea in a bit feel. Beat Tommy Gun 58-51. Mmm purely on the basis that Tommy Gun Won't drop Pepe or Mark Noble or Martineau. Will ya he's dropped in two days and he's so it's finally got rid of Mark Noble putting his plunker and all that. Anyway that win for Phil keeps him in mid-table one point ahead of you Nathan. Yes, but he's still two points below me because I smashed rival title Contender Robson 67 38 Seven, why would title can you put yourself in the title contenders now? I have despite being fourth of the second-highest Player points. Yeah, I noticed that should not be and considering you lost your first two games as well. As I think I lost the first three. Yeah two games. Maybe you know, I don't have a star next my name for nothing. They you know, you can't just go online and put it on there. Okay, you can but you know transfers this week Tris dropped rudiger. Didn't they? Yeah, whoo continues have injury problems is rumored to be out until mid-December. I'm sure a few of us will be in for him. Chelsea tightened up. Yeah, Dal picked up Lucas Maura straightaway. Yeah, it was sacked Annie. Yep. Now if you've got full Cody, yeah, look at the walls fixtures over the next 4 games or so. I can see they've been clean sheets. They're there and really hot form at the moment. So I'm back to the Yeah Mmm Yeah. I've got I think as I said last week Dottie done Doherty, he's getting a good positions like he was last season again, and yeah, I can't drop it for my team yet because I think he's going to score very soon. Yeah, I brought Ruben Nevers back into my squad for the city second or third. He scored his goal. Yeah true. But I just feel like over the next 4 games or so. He's going to get some point. So he's in there into the squad. He's going on water flows, and I've yeah Bryant myself because they've got tough Runner fixtures again, we'll talk about that later. So unfortunately montoya's got me a lot of points but he's now out of the squad he's gone back up front. So it works. Yeah can't get points retrospectively know this true. This is a very little lead A Life Lesson into a fantasy of people don't seem to comprehend but you're very true personally. I've got a feel billing. That was the other guy that was on your bench last week. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you've dropped him got relevant party worthy nice. Mmm. I'm just scared. It for the block up by Midfield and a few you're up against top of the table Moon Mooney. Yeah, if you can beat in please I'll try it's getting bunched up in that like I think I'm two points behind you as well. I'm definitely not telling myself as a title Contender though. I know I'm there in the luckily and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It clearly doesn't matter three points three points feels I've got issue and feel by the way. It's just got Sterling selling might. When I get chassis we go bad feeling about that Phil has got minging fill in the field are be nice. Pasok memories. Yeah exact. I would remember the field. I'll be back in 1972. Yeah, if that was the filming when it was an ugly Affair. It was a bum short both involved. Definitely. Alright, that's the end of your fancy. That's the end of part one. Don't go anywhere in part to be talking to Tommy Gun and also be in the tactics truck to speak to McKinney. Welcome to part two. Let's go listen now to Tommy Gunn who I'm sure will definitely want to talk about sperm. Hello, Tommy Garden. Yes outfit. How's it going this fine morning? No, it's our fee. Again. I had to interrupt that as you can probably hear or maybe missed it. Tommy Gun's voice was recording a really strange manner which sounded like it was on helium. Let this hits here another bit of it. You lost the podcast Derby to feel didn't you what 51:58 some like that? I lost it a secret journalist yet. Annoyingly. I turned in my side sending 51 points. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, you got us into that. He sounds like he should be working in Lebanon with Santa or something or with a wicked witch. Oh, so yeah, I can't play though that just to summarize is very much a joyous mood before Pacino against that course being a gunner then he reflected on us also being rubbish. And then he was looking ahead to next week fixtures tough call for him in terms of the chef in my defense wasn't sure what to stick with it. But then he saw some eyes that they could be a good test for anyone here we bear next week. So don't worry about it. I'll be back in I think what I'm doing out we'll go straight and listen to Matt Kenny, of course who does have PL and bolstering the Hello, Matt. Hello. How are you? Hey LC. How's it going? I'm good at the international break has messed my brain. How has it been for you? The international break with Island stuff? Yeah, mixed emotions, you know heartbreak and last night, you know, we were playing really good stuff for the America. They got the draw and We have to go to the playoffs the qualifiers. It's not like the old days. We got knocked out with a theory on re hamboards. That's a touchy subject still. All right, let's talk if PL then 59 points you garnered last week actually and you made some I would say some bold decisions you rather controversially bots on in and made in Captain and that worked out. Okay, you kept or EA in and he did all right because he got some bonus points. But the real gift that was given to you by yourself was that masked? Yell. Yeah, Brian marcial am obviously I had to true to free transfers. I took out Pepe finally and Mira's finally and I brought in Marshall and son. So yeah observe to really good transfers really happy with her. Aye captain Saint who was probably fortunate was golborne. Look I'll take it. I'm Marshall got two assists and his forced double-figure haul of the Season talk about Marshall then because many knighted are sort of on your your thoughts for this game week. Yeah. Absolutely. I know the Sheffield United it's kind of defensive Hyper's is reaching Peak at the moment where you know launched from and Henderson and all those other great defense of assets, but obviously this week Dan Henderson won't be available to play against man, you know, you're because of course he's out on loan and it's part of his class. He won't be able to play. His parent club and but just to give you kind of a perspective of how important in Henderson is to Sheffield United of all the shots on target Sheffield have faced. He saved 79% of those shots on Target and there's only one Keeper in the in the league who's saved more and that's cash Kasper schmeichel at the moment and only narrowly only about 1% So Henderson's has a 79% save shots on target Savory and she Michaels only on 80s though. You know only 1% in between them. So just goes to show how much how reliable he is between the sticks or Sheffield. And of course John Egan who picked up a calf strain it seems last night for for Orland. So we don't know if he hasn't officially been ruled out, but I'd be personally I'd be surprised if he's fit to play this weekend. We'll see how it goes. So yeah, I'm kind of back in man, you know your this weekend. I think they got their forced away when I think in six months two weeks ago against Norwich and their grand They lost one they'll to Bournemouth then the following week. But you know, they've kind of got the monkey after back in terms of the that away record. So hopefully they can go on to score some goals. I might even Captain Marshall this week. I like it. I like it. It's bold its bold. Yeah. I mean, there's not there's not a whole bunch of captaincy assets, you know this week unless you've got maybe a balmy Yang someone like that car seat in Chelsea play juror, that could be a tricky game to called Liverpool the way to Crystal Palace who have I may be a bit of a bogey team for a liver pill and in recent years and of course, we don't know salads Fitness at the moment so that could impact the from tree massively. Yeah, so there's I think marichal could be quite a and after radar pick a decent enough pick only I think 7.9 percent ownership 38.9% ownership and again rash words only 14.1 percent ownership. So I think of you I don't either of the two of them and you know, you could be looking at maybe a cheeky Captain punt. And definitely go to options this week, but thanks very much Matt for joining us again, and good luck in the game week. I hope it all goes well for you and will speak to you again next week. Thanks Harvey. There you go. That was Matt Kenny, if Pio aka bolstering the carp. Let's forget that I've remembered it. Yay. You can hear more from him. If you go find this link to his Twitter on an episode blurb Phil. Oh Phil's not here Phil. I think they just put in to be feel. Are you confident of United smashing chef? United it's not as confident as what matters but Matt's a more seasoned FPL manager yourself. I don't know but just make sure if you're over really side. I think Egan will be a big mess and obviously Henderson as well. So yeah, like could be a tricky one just fitted solid side though and United aren't draw one all I just think it'll be tight game five new United. Right there see it apart to. Oh, I'm excited though because part three is just around the corner. There it is. I can see it now and will be talkin the upcoming game week fixtures and caliche forecast. Welcome to part 3 the game week fixtures for game week number 13 on Saturday the 23rd November. Time applying Spurs. Yes pers Jose Jose Mourinho Spurs at 12:30. That's the only kickoff Arsenal gets out that to Bournemouth against wolves Brian against Lester powerless against Liverpool evidence against Norwich Watford against Burnley man, sitting against Chelsea in the evening kick off then on Sunday the 24th, November only one game and that Chef is United a home to man united and then yes, there's Monday Night Football. All right. Yeah. Do you know what you say? Oh that knife but this fixture. Oh, no, that's right. It's Aston Villa versus New Castle. I mean, they've saved the best for last there. Haven't they if it was 1996 maybe but it's not as a no it's not but you know, you'll be tight and international brakes and Monday Night Football just just put it in the bin. We've done the football ends on a Sunday. Let's let us get on with of yeah having said that I'll probably watch it. Let's get on Plan in the podcast which will then change when yeah people break news that changes things right fixtures that catch our eye is now nice. I'm thinking it might be wise to hedge your bets on the Lesser teams this game week. So with that in mind Arsenal vs Southampton Southampton have never been asked all away from home in premier league history having said that And so that mountains away form. The season is the eighth best in the league. They've drawn up wolves one twice once against Brighton and once against the best team in Europe Sheffield United now, you should Arsenal be fearful and that means this should be fearful because I don't think Southampton. Oh good side at all. That's bias aside as well. They've tightened up since that Lester drubbing, but I just their defense does. Look anywhere near these are say that I saw them against Man City and I thought they looked yeah, I thought they were pretty tight necessity. They've slightly turned up since they realize that my Ishida is not a premier league footballer taking the way shape or form so he's come out of the team and maybe they'll get some arsenal of got a nice little run of fixtures coming up memory needs it as well said Hampton Norwich Brian West Ham the next few games. I did find it slightly worrying that the Arsenal board said That they understood why Arsenal lost to Lester because Lester all the stronger side do they say there something to that effect was the briefing that came out to journalists, you know, that's their fault Lynn. Yeah, exactly. Yeah don't waste 78 million and some yeah, it's not like we recognize that Lester a strong side and play that kind of catches my eye on their the back on the team is Meza as a real favor of yourself. Oh, I love has or love of overhyped. He is the guy that doesn't always so brilliant doesn't play against burn. Like doesn't turn up against teams goes missing every game doesn't get a chance to the bigger teams. I think actually it doesn't turn against God. I've seen him play against burning all these other teams. He doesn't turn up against them either. He didn't even tell us who they play in The League Cup to the place on the Wooly cup or something Liverpool know they played to a team recently. I was like a lower Echelon team and you didn't even turn up against them either. Sorry the last time these two met this is from February and it was to kneel to Arsenal. Hmm do we really? See Arsenal keeping a clean sheet that this one wow stats was just not they've conceded eight goals in the six home games to date when you look at someone like Newcastle and Sheffield United they've been conceded for so they're not exactly watertight at home. No, I've got the specialty need to come back and well to come in anyone seen Tierney is Paolo Maldini the way that people talk about yeah. Well packed Evan thinks he is. He thinks he's been in Robertson. Really? Yeah, right. It's good on FIFA. That's true. Sure, that's always the Benchmark isn't exactly. Yeah, so Nathan you fancy arson for win. Yeah do free one. I think everyone has gone more confident every take so for one. You say come back to me in five minutes mine now, okay, if I want you don't think a clean sheet sure, that'd be insane man. Yeah, I fancy Nathan Rabe and it's time. Him to score it is not getting any chances in that but and they're not creating that much but it's time for him to score soon. Aston Villa against Newcastle off are Matt was Matt. Kenny was Keen to mention. This fixtures are as Villa concede a lot of headed chances and run that alongside the fact that Newcastle Defenders are the most potent Strikers in the world at the moment five goals in the last three games scored by Defenders. Should we be going all-in on Newcastle? I'm not so sure I think a tip Newcastle go down start the season I still think this little mini Revival is built on a bit of a house of cards sourced at this week. We're Newcastle actually the second most dominated team in all of Europe and the way they've character that is teams playing against them with passes in newcastle's final third against how many passes Newcastle managed to have successful in their opponents of Affect the percentage of those. Okay Newcastle actually the second worst team in Europe for that only Hamilton academical lower than them. Well particular State as well and it's notable that pretty much all of their chances come from set pieces as yeah. They took realized she didn't yes, I think if they can get up the field to put some pressure on and get some wins some set pieces. They do create chances from set pieces, which is where the likes of favor and Char and Karen Clark come into play but actually the play that I pick out in this Name is Wesley who he's gone four games without scoring and but in those four games, he's had five goal attempts and it's got an x g of no .45. So it's kind of a goal every other game kind of player and he's gone for without he could be someone to look at and Newcastle. They've actually considered the most headed chances all season and considered nine in their last two games. But yeah, I definitely looked him because I've got my draft team. Yeah. I'm actually I don't normally start inputting all you do one Striker which is why are they but Yeah, I decided this week. It just feels like a game where you can score in that home. I just I just fancy know. Sometimes you get a spidey sense. Yeah feel it feels good feels good. Hopefully great ashes fit again because a lot more filler do well is based around grealish and it's true true. Do you know new cast of conceiving the most schools away from home now? They here despite being full of his been quite solid. Yeah. They always are there and a scintilla of only conceded seven goals at home this season, which is only one worse off the Liverpool. Really? Yeah, so they're yeah, they're the right thing but having said that you know, it's gonna happen Andy Carroll. Yeah, bring him in bringing the big man handy just in time to make the Euro Squad you for something different. That's what your face if it's something different Man City Chelsea. Hmm. Chelsea spanked the saw. Three that's definitely not right City spank Chelsea six Neil in this February fixture. Oh, yeah forgot about that. Yeah, ouch and Chelsea. You can see the 12 goals on the road this Premier League season. So to give that some context knife Westerman Arsenal have only considered 9, that's bad that mean that's how bad is I mean, I do think they've improved. Oh, yes, you define exactly Bernardo silver suspended, of course. Or maybe it's time for Mars to shine. What do you think about this one? Really tough one to call I think because Mansi looks super fragile at the moment, Claudia Bravo in goal is such a significant downgrade on Edison given. I think they man see at the kind of team that would get away with having Bravo and goal if their defense and defensive Midfield was a bit more settled at the moment, but it's not obviously well-documented the injury problems that they've got looks like John stones and fell in In your playing Central defense and then rogering gundo and shielding that just haven't really done a good enough job this season. They are just considering too many chances and actually conceding goals. They've conceded more goals than you at this season and they've lost more games than wolves. So not the men CT we're used to having said that obviously Chelsea's defensive issues are well documented, but I think they've tightened up recently to Maury seems to be the new linchpin of that side. Yeah. He doesn't he it wasn't good. Good. Yeah, so tough one to call I can see actually Chelsea getting something. Maybe I'm I fancy School drawing that game. Actually really I want to go man C3 Neil. Whoo. Frank's no hesitations over. I just know I just think they're young sides and I'm really impressed with tamori, but because of his age he has one or two moments where he makes a mistake. No, Beginning the game. Other than that, then he's not he's not making mistakes Rock Solid but those are all moments and that sort of mindset you need. Yeah, and and sumaira Zoomer. I mean that's let ich big strong. But again, he likes the occasion might get a better of him. You just don't know but I do know you could I also look at the other way. I think Chelsea go there and really take apart that defense. Yeah. Well, I don't know. That's why I fancy the school draw. All right, definitely three Nomads it. Clean sheet forecasts some horrific clean cheap forecast last week. I got one correct out of 5 Phil got two out of four, Nathan. You got zero, correct. What they say in Game of Thrones Shame Shame Shame. Yes, so hopefully you do we better this week. So let's have a look at some of the potential clean sheets West Ham. His Spurs for the past four game weeks West Seneca see the most shots on target. Hmm. They can see most of the chances on the right flank. So if son, if you get the game under Josie, of course be hard-working enough. Yeah, I would say probably I would say definitely if someone is feeling right flank e and Shawty Shawty the West Ham surely have zero chance keeping clean sheets, especially with Roberto in goal. Yeah. Spurs defense is the second least statistically at least improving over the past two games. They face down only seven shots on Target and for that time their chances considers when the best in the league, what do you think Nate? I've fancy Spurs for clean sheet. I think Mourinho will hopefully go in there get them organized. They'll players will be outfit. Lots of cliches lots of Alan Shearer desire passion. I think they'll display all of it good Everton or it What to say about this Norwich don't score away from home and Everton of retighten the defensive ship. Yes. They do know they've conceded the fuse chances over the past two games the caveat to that is that they've conceded in both those games. So despite not considering chance of the can see the goals and hey, this is football Norwich have to score at some point. Yeah. I saw that stat. I'll never know. I saw was another stat similar to that. We're actually over the course of Season they've conceded the second fewest chances. Overall All Season would maybe suggest that maybe pickford's not the goalkeeper. The people think he is but that would be a cow's very you say. Yeah what he's in my draft team because I'm going for him and Mina as a double core the thing I don't like about Pickford is that you always know he's playing He makes himself notice or even in a quiet game. You notice pick first. Oh, I see me rather than the opposite to edit. Anyway, yeah Watford versus Burnley my oh my oh my the heart says Neil Neil, but the head says 1 1 and the history suggests in the past six Premier League meetings at these two teams have only drawn new only once and that was in January and vicarage Road Bernier only keep clean sheets against Watford at Turf Moor Watford when they beat Burnley home. They always can see the goal soberly of shipped 11 goals away from home. Um, what food have shipped 10 goals at home? So the betting man says to one Watford. Yeah, right. I think to one Burnley actually, but okay fine, but it's not really only all this. This is now I think what for the timed up against some of the better footballing sides. I just feel at Burnley other kind of side that will play a different way to them and they just had like getting Scrappy goals against a great team say no to play against teams like that. Yeah, right. Let's do the clean sheet forecast. then my I'm going to go with Spurs Everton the have to back Everton Manny knighted and Man City okay I'm gonna go with Spurs Lester Everton just three just the free to look at the numbers down because yeah me laugh then one from freezing shaunie's do more she do like 10 fixtures yeah but then it can potentially be none from 10 you will get one right well then I clean she's fine right let's go in listen now to fpl content creator upon info here's the trending transfers In terms of the goalkeepers the trendiest transfer in this week so far is schmeichel. The less demand is being brought in by over 67,000 managers already. He is closely followed by ramsdale and Allison who are both picking up pace with over 40,000 plus purchases concerning the defenders in this week and by a country mile, so you don't you is leading the pack with a hundred and twelve plus thousand managers flooding to the Leicester Defender, Lon. Jim is the next most transferred in behind him with over 65,000 purchases already in Midfield. There's a slow pace of transfers out this week. Maybe F PR managers are waiting out the international break before committing on selling their big ticket players meaning Mountain Sterling of the trendiest sales out so far this week and that's the small amount with Mount having 82,000 sales and Sterling 69,000 sales. However, like all the other categories bless. There are dominating the sales in this week Madison has been snapped up by over a hundred and thirty-five plus thousand managers already poulos. It is the next best with 86 plus thousand of you placing your faith in the Chelsea midfielder upfront is not surprising to see for the third week running that Jamie vardy is topping the trendiest transfer list with over two hundred and twenty-four plus thousand perches already at the start of this International gray. Abraham is the next highest but nowhere near with 3,000 plus purchases in comparison that was epic and then fry you can hear more from her and a YouTube channel. If you just click on our Link in our episode blurb and you can see everything she has to offer great stuff. So much to ponder isn't there. Yeah, I've got some other tips here in terms of fan tracks from the fantasy football chaps. They begin in verse 3 under the radar picks and defense. They've gone for siddha be of Everton. Got em. Yeah Midfield trezeguet. Yeah the not the original trezeguet the assembler one thing and forwards is Eddie McGoldrick David McGoldrick, of course, I jest demagogic of shepherding. It's you could read more. If you want to read more about fan tracks and more in-depth Insight. You can read more from the fantasy football chaps by clicking the link in our episode blurb, right that's the end of part 3 and part 4 will be the answer to the question and will be defining RF BLT. Okay, welcome to part four. Let's do the answer to the question. I asked you Nathan Christian Buddhist. It's the six different American player scored two more goals in the Premier League game is also only the fourth American School in three consecutive Premier League games named the other three. Okay Clint Dempsey. Yes. Landon Donovan now Brian McBride know what Americans going free Coventry commentary Cobi Jones. Now white the first guy. Oh same name is Hudson Elroy vaguely. Yeah, and there's another player pay for Everton and it wasn't Landon Donovan now. It wasn't McBride American player. What position for I know what it was? I think he's a forward it wasn't as impactful as radzinsky knows Canadian was no mate. His first name is Joe Joe Joe Joe and then you've got literature of two more names after that. It's Joe Max more Joe maximum or my God. Yeah, gibbering. No, I remember the name. If he yeah, if he came up and robbed me on the street, I would not be able to say oh actually it was Joe Mexico. Who was it? I go to know some American strike. How come this isn't that was it William a Covino wasn't him Brian McBride. They've said that five times so yes, Joe Max more. Yeah. Yeah we did. All right, obviously. Yeah. Okay that's in terms of picking our fbl team. We have come to a decision. Asian yes, and we looked at so many variations here. We could have tried it out sign a form on a and forwards which isn't fancy when we look to the defense a defense is pretty sweet. But we thought there's some points are to happen defense and they looked at our goalkeeper. Yeah, it was Roberto and this happened while I was on holiday. Yeah, and we've decided we're going to take a bit of a pump. I don't think it is really we're going to trade. Out Roberto for gas and eager. Yeah that he's 4.5 million Gaza nagar Roberto 4.4. I don't feel we've got anything to lose. Yeah, and we've got 1.6 the bank tellers 1.5 who we going to Captain then VAR D. VAR D. Yeah. I know. I'm sure this will change listeners. So what I'll do, I'll before we go live during the for the game week. I'll post it online. That's it from us this week. We'll be back next week. Obviously after game week 13 big things here to Nathan. Thank you, man. 2 the sequel journalist who isn't here Tommy Gun bolstering the car make any FP and infra and the fantasy football chaps. You need to you can contact us at ultimate F. Pod. Enjoy. The game week was see you next time take care of yourselves and each other we think you. All right. Goodbye.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to girl at dog about it brought to you by Hannah Carol and Estelle Allen the podcast bringing women together to have real and seriously deep conversations about love life hell. Health and everything in between and today's episode. We are going to explore the imbalance between masculine and feminine energy within our society today and how we can reconnect to our feminine. We will explore some of the major contributors for why women have become disconnected to their bodies their womb their moon cycle and their feminine energy in particular. We will chat about our patriarchal society women as people Please has Body Image Pressure lack of Education the birth control pill and shame around sexuality. As we go through each of these topics, we will explore firstly some of the challenges of the current modern-day structure and then we will chat about how we can return to the feminine. I think you know when the woman is disconnected from her body. It can impact all areas of her life her career her self-worth or health relationships and it can manifest into major hormonal imbalances infertility eating disorders and mental illness. This is a really important topic. Yeah, and it's a topic that Hannah and I have become incredibly passionate about you know, as we have dive deeper into our own healing and personal development. Inez and into our own femininity tuning into and reconnecting reconnecting to our bodies and our femininity has been I would say one of the most healing and empowering experiences. Oh my God. Mmm times are changing the old patriarchal Paradigm is no longer serving us and as women now is the time for us to step into our femininity and regain a true place in society for not only ourselves. Elves but our children and their children hashtag. That future is female. Yeah, it is before we dive in we thought it would be a good idea to start just by asking you some questions to get you thinking and reflecting. Do you feel connected to your body? Do you understand the different phases of your moon cycle and do feel gratitude for it? Do you feel connected to your womb? Do you feel that it guides and leads you through? Life, do you know your body intimately sexually physically and emotionally, we really invite you to reflect on these as we go through today's Deep dive. And before we do dive in we really want to start off by exploring the concept of the womb. It's the epicenter of our bodies. So we do know that for many this is not a word that is used regularly or that you may be familiar with you may have also heard it referred to as your Yoni, which means divine gateway to life. So when we say the word wound, which is still and I do talk about a lot we're talking about the most sacred. Through an intimate part of your body including your vagina. Yes. I just said vagina uterus that word on this podcast uterus clitoris Fallopian tubes cervix, really all of your female reproductive organs. Vedic Tantra Buddhism Hinduism and taoism all believe that this is a part of a woman's body which is incredibly holy and sacred. It is a difficult embodiment of the goddess. There is also believed to be a direct connection between a woman's Yoni and a heart which I a hundred percent believe in. I so believe that I've had experience is the confirm that so it is the center of a woman's body and being where all life and creation is burst and where we store, you know, things like our emotions our past experiences trauma blocks fear shame and unprocessed feelings. It's where We experience love deep connection pleasure fulfillment. Sexually, it's where oxytocin the feel-good hormone takes the stage mean the clitoris alone contains 8,000 nerve endings. What? eight thousand and that's just the clitoris one job of the pelvic nerve is to relay pleasurable Sensations to your brain that then releases the neurotransmitter called dopamine and dopamine is responsible for things like Clarity courage confidence feeling like a million bucks knowing that you can do it and knowing what it is when we tune in and allow ourselves to be guided by our room and we Embrace both masculine and a feminine we We really can start to live more harmoniously and both Hannah and I have experienced that so speaking of our own personal experiences. One of the things that we love to do in our podcast is to be real and vulnerable with you guys so that the topics are relatable. So we really want to share our own personal thoughts and experiences on this topic and we always want to be vulnerable with you. So hack me. Yeah. Me to go you go first. Actually. I feel like I was ready to intro you. Okay, I'll go. Okay. So when it comes to my connection to my body. I guess looking back throughout my late teens to my early 20s. I was not connected to my body. I was trying to be perfect. What I thought was perfect baked based on my you know, I guess societal assumptions in a constantly pushed my body to be perfect and it in an intern I really was suppressing my femininity. So, you know, I worked in previously in the corporate world in the private Equity Real Estate corporate world for eight years. Very long hours. I was constantly hustling. I didn't prioritize sleep. I was most of the time overwhelmed and stressed, you know, I got into drinking coffee, you know to add to this. I did take birth control for 10 years and that wasn't because you know, I saw my cycle as an inconvenience, but because I had acne as a teenager and I just never really considered coming off it until I wanted to start a family, you know, I was having a monthly bleed and I thought everything was normal. Normal, I also I didn't understand my cycle. I really honestly I did not understand my cycle and my reproductive system and organs and I didn't adjust my lifestyle based on my monthly cycle and where I was at each stage. I just continued to hustle and push through and be on autopilot and never give myself time to stop and I think that was also because yeah, I was working in the corporate world and masculine world. Going to dive into soon. I definitely also fell prey to the pressures of society to look a certain way by over-exercising and not feeding myself enough nourishing fats and carbs and you know this we're going to chat about this this really impacts your connection to your body your femininity and yet impacts your hormones. So I'd say like all in all I was not connected to my body but you know through this hormonal Journey that I've been on for the last three and a half four years. I had become incredibly connected. It's my body and to my work and it's just been this. I feel like over the years. It's just been this pulled my womb if you've probably asked me about this a couple of years ago, like I wouldn't have been comfortable comfortable to say the word womb and to talk about it, but for net like for me now, it is just like it's a part of my my Daily Language and I'm part of my life. You know, the Gen being on has forced me to go to the depths of my being and it's empowered me to become the person that I meant to be and to ultimately lead from my womb and a hundred percent believe that that you know, this happened for a reason and yes just so important to me today and it has such a huge impact on my life and when I'm not bleeding and living from my womb I really noticed and I feel like I'm denying myself being me. Yeah, keep talking about it. But let's talk about you sister. Now my turn. Okay. Thank you for sharing all of that, sweetie. So I guess yeah, I relate to a lot of your personal journey and experiences with this topic. Hugely like the body image, you know, like I just think you know growing up there was a huge pressure and emphasis. I remember reading like a fashion magazines. Wanting to look like super skinny and you know that led me down. Like I really like horrible part of having an eating disorder and just completely being so disconnected from what my body needed and like the beauty of my body and the miracle that it was and just yeah, like really denied it, you know, like over training at the gym thinking that I needed to get exercise for hours every single day push myself Beyond, you know what I was capable of Like just depriving my body of food and nutrients and my whole perspective on like food was just from this. Like I was just depriving myself rather than focusing on how can I know if my beautiful feminine body and the focus was definitely not on health. It was just a pain like body image and I look back now and I think yeah Mike physical appearance. It's so sad, but that was my focus for my teen years and I'm like I was willing to do whatever it took to achieve that really high standard. And that as well as like hello perfectionist, sorry to interrupt sister, but I think physical appearance which we're going to touch on like so many women. I know we'll be able to relate to this. Yeah. Yeah so many and particularly I think during that part of our life, I think so many of us are vulnerable to that mentality because you know, we're still growing up we're finding ourselves were understanding our bodies. Our bodies are changing. We're redefining what it means. You know, we go from being a little girl to a woman and a Body starts to change and yeah, I just trying to fit in and work out who we can be a really vulnerable stage. Yeah, and I think yeah, it's like you obviously want to feel like you belong and like you're loved and I think unfortunately for women a lot of the time that falls to their body image. So yeah, I was very disconnected from my body. I definitely deprive myself and myself to of like carbs and healthy fats to really nourish my body. I would also say in terms of my femininity. Like I had a huge disconnect from my femininity with in my relationships. I would say like I felt safer in my masculine and I think growing up in a world where obviously that is the predominant, you know, those are the traits that are kind of praised or have been praised in the past. Yeah. It was very rigid like just like you said hustling forcing myself like to be Yang all of the time. I never really allowed myself to rest and Be ye in and you know take care of myself just like constantly striving for Perfection. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and I definitely I would say like I didn't feel safe to be seen in like my feminine and to be like open and receptive and to soften like I definitely saw that as weakness and I've had to totally like redefine my definition of that. You know even something as simple as I think about, you know, when I think about femininity like even receiving gifts and compliments and love like as you know, as a young like prior to my early 20s, I was super uncomfortable with stuff like that. And I think that's as well part of like the feminine gift is to like be open and receptive and you know an experience connection. I then in terms of my body like I was on the birth control pill as well liked you for a long time and that just to me from my period and my hormones and I used to constantly take I would skip my period because I did see it as an inconvenience and I thought oh, well, I don't want this inconvenient thing. So I'm just going to skip it and I had no idea the impact of that upon my hormones and my health and then I would say just in terms of like my femininity like sexually and just in terms of sexuality which will dive into later in this episode. I think, you know like our Eddie there's so much shame and guilt placed around sexuality ignorance of those plastic more into boo, and I think so. It's so sad to me that women grow up as young girls in that environment and then hold so much shame around their bodies and their sexuality and that definitely was my experience, you know for so many years. I felt a lot of Shame. Yeah, and I thought as well to like I had this really distorted view as well that like so X was something that you do to gain someone's love and we'll talk about this later in the episode but just around really tuning into your womb as to do I want to have sex with this person. I was never empowered in that. So I think you know like diving into things like the armoring learning to feel safe in my body really opening myself back up like yeah feeling empowered in my femininity that has definitely been a huge Journey for me and I'm so grateful that I've taken it like I would say it's definitely been the last couple of years. Mainly that I've been deepening my dive into femininity and I'm so glad I've done it because I feel so much more like harmonious and I don't feel like there's a part of me missing anymore. And don't you think sister cause I like honestly feel that my journey. It happened for a reason and I think for yourself as well because we were so disconnected and so the hormonal imbalances, you know, the challenges like we went through them because the universe was like, okay, you're so disconnected. Yeah, you need to go and eat and you need to reconnect your family. Yeah and like items for me like it just became so clear to me but by going through this journey how disconnected I was for my body and how at the end of the day. I was not respecting my body. I wasn't doing it on purpose. Yeah. I just wasn't aware. I wasn't conscious. Yeah, and I think that's what I guess this whole episode is around is just like learning to honor, you know, like your body your physical body, you know, like a month and like your emotions and what you need and like your sexuality like just honoring yourself. I think that's like a huge part of this and I think yeah, it's like just through awareness. I think you learn to start to really honor yourself and know that yeah, like when we're talking about your une like your womb is so sacred and we really need to shift, you know from that disempowered plays into an empowered place where we feel like we can really honor what we need as women and I think as you listen to this don't feel like I don't know about the stuff like feel bad or guilty because maybe you're not aware of this stuff or you're not connected I think Feel that you can now, you know knowledge is power and that and that's exactly what we're saying is like, you know, we're being honest and saying like, yeah, we weren't we weren't honoring our bodies. We weren't honoring our wombs. We were you know, we were so disconnected both you and I were so disconnected, but it's been a slow steady journey to getting to a place where we are connected and most of in particular have had a lot more like compared to when we first met we had a lot. Conversations in the last 6 months around you know our womb and you know our Yanni and wanting to explore things like the awning massage and just releasing trauma and just really diving into that space and that aspect of ourselves. So yeah, we're still diving deeper into this. Okay, shall we get started? Let's do it. Let's start off by chatting about how the patriarchal society in which we have grown up and live in today has impacted women embracing their femininity take it away sister. Let's do this. So the reality is that we operate in a masculine world the hustle and bustle the nine-to-five work Paradigm the corporate rat race. Was created for men and as such an embodies very masculine energies over the past couple of decades women have had the opportunity to step into a career outside of the home and whilst this has been a huge step forward in gaining equality with men. This has also forced women to embody more masculine qualities in turn Freedom major in balance. Women operate and compete in a man's world in order to keep up and seek approval with little to no room to embrace and lead from their feminine. So now let's talk about how we're going to shift into this new paradigm and how we can reconnect back to the feminine in this aspect of the topic though. The awesome thing today though is that you know, we really are starting to see a shift in this. We you know, there are new ways. Of working that are becoming the norm, you know, for example conscious network marketing companies social media entrepreneurship. These are all allowing women to create their own work and lifestyle Paradigm that truly starts to serve the feminine women can have a fulfilling career without expending themselves to a place of burnout and you know in particular for women that want to have children. This is a game changer because they can have both the career and stay at home with their kids which is is just amazing. Yeah, I think so many women, you know that our corporate world, you know, you only get so much time off and then once you have children potentially have got to put your kids in daycare and it's this constant juggle and they miss that time with their kids. So I think this is just an absolute game changer. Okay. So the next topic we want to explore is women as people pleases so I think we can all relate to this as women on a fundamental level. It's a part of our wiring. We really want to please and be everything for everyone looking at the mall but a mother she father's role, but she's maintained the role of a mother to in this massive glioma overloads the female nervous system and it really He does put our body into a constant state of fight or flight, you know within the scenario at leaves a little room for women to embrace their femininity and to live in alignment with their with their moon cycle. So in order to you know shift back again to the feminine with regards to this, you know, we know it can be hard but learning to say no to others means that we get to say yes to ourselves. We spoke a lot about this in episode 3 of go. Let's talk about it the They're called The Magic of saying no which we explored the importance of saying no and we shared some ideas for how you can really start doing this. You know, when we do this we create space for self-care and that is so nurturing and nourishing to the feminine. We all need that as women. It's like space to begin in our lives. We also suggest getting to know your moon cycle and aligning your lifestyle as best. You can to this. So that you're supporting your body and it's differing these at different points in your cycle. So for example, you know during your period you know for both Hannah and I like, you know, allowing yourself to take time off, you know going to the gym and giving yourself extra space to rest like for you and I sister. Yeah, like when we get our cycle, we're just like it's like full relaxation Epsom salt bath little movement might be light walking or some stretching. Narcs and won't Foods T. Like it's just your whole. Yeah, your lifestyle pivots based off. What you'll need is in that moment. Yeah. So at the end of the day, you know, we are in control of who we spend our time with them what we spend our time doing. We don't have to be everything for everyone. You know, let's create a new paradigm that really serves women and serves the feminine. and I think that's really empowering because we have the power. Yeah, like it's in our control. So let's start to do it. Please respect ourselves and respect our time and honor our feminine and what she needs exactly. Okay. Next topic is body image which we both touched on in our personal stories. The emphasis on physical appearance in today's world, especially since the rise of social media puts. Oh my gosh the most enormous amount of pressure on women to look a certain way and it starts such a young age sadly. This really does see women compromise their body their femininity that curves their moon cycle their fertility and really their overall health so that they can fit into society's box so they can look a certain way and feel like they fit in and feel like they're worthy comparison is literally everywhere and we feel like we aren't enough. Hmm. So there is so much emphasis on the outer superficial layer with Hardly any any consideration of how our endeavors to look a certain way actually impact our health and they do particularly in that's exactly what we're talking around like particularly mental health, you know over time constantly pushing our body to be something that it's not puts a huge amount of pressure on our hormones our thyroid adrenals and ultimately fertility long-term and like you heard Hannah and I speak about, you know, personal stories, you know, pushing our bodies to that certain. Ville to look a certain way completely throw off our hormones and all of those systems within our bodies and we both went through body image Journeys in our late teens and early 20s, and they definitely contributed to our hormonal imbalances and we just want to remind you as well that a healthy regular moon cycle is a Vital sign of a woman's health. So whether you want to have a baby now or ever having a regular healthy Moon cycle it shows that you are healthy as a female. Yeah, so important which shows that the lifestyle you're living is really supporting you. So we wanted to take a minute to look at the traditional role like shape of women of the body, you know, they were voluptuous curvy and that was a beautiful thing and it was also a good sign of good health and wealth, but in the last couple of decades we've gone from wanting to be stick model thin to now wanting washboard abs now Estelle and I are not saying that being strong and athletic is not something to be proud of or to want as a female. But I think what we're trying to sort of I guess really hone in on is are we taking this too far? No for many women when they do exercise too much and they focus solely on the physical appearance. It's very common for women to lose menstruation. You know, it's a lose their cycle. Can I like that was I didn't share that in my personal story, but that actually happened for me as well. So I I'm not sure I did share a little bit about this in the real cost of birth control, but around the time that I lost my period when I came off the pill to add to that. I was exercising to a really severe amount like I was you know in the gym for at least like I was waking up at like 5 o'clock every morning going to the gym for at least like an hour and a half two hours and then I obviously as well then do like cardio at night like my body. I had like no fat Mass on me. Whatsoever. I had the washboard abs. I was really fit and I was striving for this really like masculinize body. We healthy but I wasn't healthy because they didn't have a cycle and it was interesting. I remember going to my I think I went to my GP and this was around the time. I was trying to get my cycle back and she questioned me and said, you know like your you don't have any fat Mass like you maybe, you know, maybe you need to consider training less and letting your body. We actually put on a little bit of weight so that you can gain your menstrual like your menstrual cycle. So I think this just really ties into like that was my experience. I was exercising too much. Oh and just like you're not alone. I had a very similar journey and I know so so so many women out there who Have experienced it all that currently experiencing it. And so I guess yeah, we I mean, I think athletic women who are strong. I really I think that's an amazing quality and something to look do. I think we're just saying that I think in society, it's so put in front of us constantly, especially on social media that sometimes we lack that balance and we take it too far and it comes at the detriment of our health. So, you know, can we consider as a collective of women by? I mean is you know are we striving to masculinize our bodies? And are we losing our femininity are we not, you know willing to accept our own feminine body as it was created to be and as our own unique body was created to be its kind it is kind of crazy when you think about it. I think it's crazy. I look back now in hindsight. I think what I did was crazy. Hmm. Yeah same so we have some questions for you and we suggest either pausing the podcast episode here to grab your journal and go through these or you can always come back to them in a later time, but just to get you really thinking so do you compare yourself to others put yourself down and strive to look like someone else on social media? If so, maybe explore this. Do you actually know? Feels like to be in your body. Do you know what your individual body shape is not what you see on social media have you actually allowed your body to just be in its natural state where you're still eating healthy for your needs and moving in ways that feel good for you. So then they support you and they nourish you. I think a lot of women. Probably don't know what their natural body state is in a maybe haven't allowed themselves to be in that wagon. I'd say for myself like in the last couple of years. Like that's when I've truly got into my natural body State. Yeah, I would agree and we were having this conversation before we started recording where we're just talking about how like how how backwards we had it when we were younger where it was like we thought we needed to push and strive and stretch our bodies beyond what they would Gent like what they were genuinely telling us they needed and as soon as you and I took a step back and you know, like chose the foods that worked for us chose the movement that actually felt good for us. Yeah, and once so fixated on and actually was like starting to really like accept and love our bodies and shift the focus from the physical appearance to the nourishment and the support and nurturing our bodies. It's like I feel like then our bodies have actually shifted in into a state where they're just like thriving and it's optimal and it's effortless. Like I really don't feel like I have to do a great deal to maintain my body and its natural state like because I'm taking care of my stress levels because I'm eating well and doing movement that actually brings me joy and feels good for me. My body is driving so much more than it was and I think maybe you and I and I kind of took us experiencing. Health Challenge make us really stop and reflect and change the way we were doing it. We were treating our bodies Mmm Yeah a hundred percent. I think that's a powerful Focus for all women to really like at least work towards in their life is taking them mindset from physical appearance to health and thriving and you know nourishment and supporting your body and it will then when it's you know, nourished and supported and healthy it will Shift into the best state it's ever been in. And for me like I guess the Forefront of all that is like actually loving yourself and accepting yourself because if you don't like it just holding your holding this up, you're not accepting yourself. You're robbing yourself. Anybody. Let's I think we're going to touch on this. So let's dive into how we can shift back to the feminine when it comes to body image. How can we accept our beautiful bodies as they are meant to be? And I think the number one thing is that we have to stop stop stop stop comparing ourselves to each other. We know that it can be hard but when you do this When you compare yourself, you are devaluing yourself and you are rubbing yourself of your uniqueness. Do you do that? You are uniquely beautiful and perfect and you're put on this planet for a reason and to be yourself, you know, do you want to get to the end of your life and think wow, I spent a lot of time trying to be someone else trying to look like someone else. Rather than actually getting to know myself and being myself and showing people who I am probably not let's go on social media and create a new paradigm. That is authentic. No one is perfect, you know, maybe from time to time consider letting the world see your imperfections so that we can start to remind each other that we all have them now. This is starting to happen on social media and Instagram And when I do see people being really vulnerable and authentic and you know, maybe wearing no makeup on Instagram and it's not a perfect picture. That's what I actually really relate and resonate with people. So I would agree get to know your moon cycle a hundred percent get to know your moon cycle your menstrual cycle and adjust your lifestyle throughout the month to support your body. That could be you know, how you exercise how you eat how social you You are your sleep, you know, listen to rest signals instead of pushing your body to look a certain way. It is okay to stop and just be we do not have to be doing something 24/7. We don't have to be hustling. We don't have to be busy. We don't have to be stressed out get to know your body in its natural state and fall in love with yourself. This really is key in order to truly show up. World as it as yourself, if you can't love yourself, how can you expect others to be others stood love you introduce self-love and affirmations into your daily routine. This has been an absolute game changer for me. It is a part of my daily routine. It is embedded into it. And yeah it on myself love journey and my connection it has just helped so so much. I know that for the both of us one of our favorite things to do, but in order to use like man who is when it comes to body image. I know that we both love to dry body brush our bodies like we both do that each time before we shower and then it's like after we shall we cover ourselves in like our homemade body moisturizer with essential oils? And I know that you know, I will do that and I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, like I'm rubbing my legs and I'm like, ah such beautiful strong legs that allow me to walk and Even something as simple as when you are doing stretching or you're doing something in yoga, like just really like holding your body and just acknowledging how much of a miracle it is, you know to have working limbs to have a beautiful body. That's you know, your hearts beating all of these amazing things that it does for you. And maybe you know, maybe feel a little bit silly at the start doing it. But you know why it's just you and your body and without your body and without it being a healthy, you know, you can't thrive in life. So that cultivating that connection to your body is so important. I mean affirmations. Yeah, I love to do that dry body brush and then, you know level either myself and beautiful essential oils. I take, you know, multiple times a day I take I'm to say affirmations to myself as soon as I wake up. I say them to myself when I go to bed when I'm walking, you know, when I'm meditating. It's just yeah really hundred percent recommend trying it and someone that can help you with it is Louise Hay her books are incredible to food. Also. Sorry sister you go. I was just going to say fun fact I've ever told you this before but the Louise Hays. Book you can heal your life. That was the very first self-development book I ever read. And it was life-changing. I have read the head books and I've actually got them right now. I'm rereading them. I probably read them at least 10 times but yet it is reread them and reread them. Yeah, okay. So another thing in terms of reconnecting to your feminine within body image is you know, as we were talking about before with your cycle a I asked it throughout the month, maybe the foods you're eating but you know really just in general choose foods based on what your body needs and it feels like in order to thrive in tune to what your body what works for your body not someone elses. So don't look to someone else's Instagram profile and see them eating. I don't know it keto diet or whatever is because they're achieving a result, you know, don't deprive yourself, you know really tuned in to what your body needs to be fulfilled to know. Rush to be nourished in to be healthy and I think at the end of the day, we just want to hone in that, you know, everyone is unique and different what works for one person doesn't necessarily work, you know for another person. So what works for Estelle like a still and I have completely different bodies and you know, bio and devout bio individuality and embracing who are truly is everything. You know, like we said you're robbing yourself of you kind of brace yourself. You can't show up in the world as who you are and embrace your beautiful self. You're just rubbing yourself. mic drop My truck, so we're going to move into now lack of education and you know, it's just really important to consider. Do you actually understand your cycle the different phases and the role of your hormones. Do you understand actually the basic anatomy and structure of your womb, you know, there is very little education about our reproductive system our hormones and our moon. Michael when we are girls and young teenagers, you know Hannah and I can both remember one sex ed class but it was like super brief and we basically left just feeling super sticky goop and unsure and definitely not empowered. I would say the main things that were drilled into us in sex ed was do not get pregnant and a live demonstration of basically how to put a condom on a banana real helpful guys real. Oh, I mean, that's what's Julian to us is like in society with birth control everything what's drilled into US is you could get pregnant at any moment in your cycle. Take every measure to not get pregnant. Yes. And that's not the reality at all, which we talk a lot more about in the real cost of birth control, but will also cover that a lot more when we were going to do an episode or on the moon cycle and hormones and how to understand it. Oh, alright, so moving on from that, you know, we have really grown up in a society where our cycle is seen as an inconvenience and something that we want to shut down. I know I've been guilty of doing that, you know so that we don't have to deal. With it. And so that we don't fall pregnant doctors prescribe the birth control and we think that that's the solution but the reality is it's not hmm. No, it's not. Okay. So let's chat about how we can reconnect to our feminine and become more educated. So I think the first thing is that, you know, we have been given this incredible gift as a female of reproducing and bringing new life into the world and And you know, let's really start to embrace our menstrual cycle and our womb. Let's dive deep into understanding our cycle and get to know it intimately because when you fully understand it and you know how truly significant it is. You will naturally adjust your lifestyle your perception of the body the way you speak to your body and the way you care and look after your body self care and self cut love will be a priority because you'll just You were mocking how incredible it is. We would point you in the direction of napkin Curtis Lara Bryden. Dr. Libby. These are some incredible with Dani of your cycle and the role that hormones playing your health as a still mentioned. We are going to do an episode dedicated to the menstrual cycle and the female reproductive system shortly. So stay tuned guys. So now we're going to dive into the birth control pill we talked on this a lot in the real cost of birth control, but we're going to touch on it in terms of this episode and how it affects, you know our connection to our feminine because of our modern lifestyle are busy modern lifestyle. We have become so reliant on the birth control pill to shut down our moon cycle so that we don't have to deal with the inconvenience. But by doing this we are shutting down what our bodies are born to do. Like Hannah said and it's hugely impacting our hormones and our reproductive Health, you know, this is not to mention the fact that birth control has become the solution for so many other non contraceptive imbalances today. So endometriosis acne PMS painful periods Etc. The list truly does go on we take birth control to make these symptoms go away. But all we are really doing is ignoring important messages. From our body placing a Band-Aid over the root cause and then creating more and balances, you know guys our body always has our back and is trying to look after us what we really want to ask you is are you listening to its messages or are you ignoring them? Yeah, that's so important when it comes to our fertility today. We are facing an epidemic of women coming off extended periods. Birth control to find that their moon cycle doesn't return and that their hormones their adrenals their thyroid and many other things are all over the place. It's kind of crazy that we expect our cycle to come back straight away when we have been telling our body for years sometimes decades not to cycle. That's me is insanity. I know and I I sit in that bucket. So I also G. Gosh, how can we reconnect back to our femininity when it comes to this whole issue around the birth control pill? So check out our episode number 2 the real cost of birth control as a collective of women. Let's really reflect on why we're taking birth control how it makes us feel and the alternatives let's change our view of our cycle from as an inconvenience to it as a freaking magical and sacred process that we get to experience. What a blessing my job. Boom feminine gift we get that. So become your own detective and if you are experiencing imbalances lack acne and O painful periods weight gain, you know, thyroid issues work with a health practitioner that can help you get to the root cause because the root cause is the key the absolute key in order to truly bringing the body back into balance. If you are not looking to conceive right now, you know use the fertility awareness method to track your cycle and prevent pregnancy, but really get to know your cycle intimately because as we've spoken a little bit about this on episode 2 the real cost of birth control when you know your hormones in your cycle, very intimately you understand your fertile periods a lot better. Yeah. We're really empowered place. Just knowing your cycle in your body. You know what it needs. Throughout the month, I think sadly so many women don't understand their cycle or their hormones and we really that's why we really want to do an episode completely did that. Yeah understanding it is and what the hormones roles are because sadly so many women don't know much about it. And that's no one Squall is just a lack of Education in our services in our society. Okay? No topic that we want to chat today about is is shame around sex and sexuality. There is so much freaking stigma around this topic very much. I mean most women don't speak to each other about this and acknowledge that part of themselves because there's this year. There's a shame there's this awkwardness and this is an even more reason to talk about it right now and to make a shift, you know, sexuality is a hugely important part of our bodies and our health and we just simply can't ignore it. We can't keep ignoring it. in the bedroom, the majority of the emphasis is on men orgasming and more often than not women and what they want is forgotten many women fake it because they are too scared to voice how they feel and what they want and more often than not women experience pain or nothing can talk or nothing at all and much of this comes from the fact that you know, women are disconnected to their room and we are told that our society our sexual It's just not as important as the man's. now like we said earlier as women, we hold everything our emotions our feelings hurt pain traumas in our room and if we completely ignore it over time, it builds up like any other muscle in our body, it needs love and attention and there's this stigma, you know that if you speak about your sexuality that you are seen as a slut and gosh I definitely Like I saw that in high school just that culture that we have around, you know, if a woman at all and I still see it now, you know an adult women. It's like if they are to speak up from like, you know an empowered place around this sexuality or to embrace and really acknowledge that part of themselves. They are seen as a slot that whole culture of slut-shaming women, but the weird part is is that when a man is like You know really outwardly sexual. He's actually praised for it ashamed and called a slut if they step into, you know, more sensuality and step into their sexuality in their life. So it's this really weird gender bias between men and women where I think it has created this suppression of women in their sexuality and in their sensuality and I think now and it's really freaking exciting so many women are you know reconnect? Their worm inviting more sensuality into their life exploring their sexuality feeling really empowered in that and just working let go of all the shame. I definitely I used to be like I would I was so scared of this topic. Like I was terrified. I was so scared of it talking about it to like girlfriends to my sister to a boyfriend like because I just thought no like this is not something he talked about and I would be so awkward. Word, whereas now I'm just like it is so open and free and honestly, yeah, it's all because of this journey I've been on and I feel like I've become so liberated and free and empowered and I want other women to experience it. Yeah, that's the same. I'm like, if only I feel like I'm not I'm not even fully there and I know that you don't feel like you are either and we're still on a journey when it comes to our own sensuality and sexuality. I always Will be I want to keep like exploring it forever. Yeah, but I'm like, I've only had like I would say I've only like I'm In Like A Drop in the Ocean of this and I already feel so much more liberated than I did years ago able to have like really just like open conversations with you about it. And you know, I'm really trying to make it normal with in my other relationships with girlfriend and even just like when it comes to like our bodies like You know, even I haven't told you this but my mom the other day my mum's hanging a painter and the other day. She's like, oh, I really want to paint you nude and she was like, would you be comfortable doing that? Like we don't have to show like, you know, you have a job. She didn't even say the word vagina funny that she's like, you know, we don't have to show down there and I was like Mom it's fine like and she was like, will you be comfortable with that and like, yeah, like let's do it. I was like, I'll embrace my body like I don't care like I like I have a beautiful Honey, let's do it. I'd love that Hound very amusing. I want I want to get a nude painting of myself Yeah. Well, yeah and Mom said she's like how amazing would that be to have? You know, this gorgeous painting of yourself when you're just like mmm feminine power and I was like, yeah, and I think also if we can start to I think normalize it and become comfortable talking about it then in our relationships can talk to our partners about it and come from a place of empowerment. Okay, let's dive into now before we I keep you and I we could just discuss the stuff forever. Let's talk about how we can make this shift and reconnect to our feminine and yet normalized this crazy silly shame around sexuality. So I think the number one thing is like just let's drop the stigma. Let's drop the stigma about around sexuality and sensuality now more than ever. We need people to lean into this conversation with friends and people in your life so we can create A new Norm where we can speak openly and freely about this topic and express ourselves in that way without feeling ashamed and awkward and I just want to add to that. I know that for the majority of this episode we have been talking about, you know, releasing this stigma within you know, friendships and with relationships with our partners, but I want to also just really briefly touch on the fact that this is so important because as well when we do this in our own lives and in our own relationship relationships we also have to remember that when we have kids like I don't know about you but I really want my daughters to feel really comfortable really empowered really, you know, I don't want them to carry any shame around their body or you know, there were my want them to fully understand their body and their hormones, you know, so doing this work is so important so that we can as well raise girls They're not feel like I'm insecure about their body or like it's dirty it key thing that can't be spoken about and that's why I'm so happy that I've gone through this before I do have kids. We'd also invite you to explore D armoring which we mentioned earlier. So the armoring is this. Oh my God incredible practice that it's done. I we've done we've done it where you can release tension past emotions and Trauma from the tissue within your vagina. We are going to do a whole episode. Sit on this soon, but for now we do invite you to look up Rosie Ruiz and read some of her blog post on this, you know Explore her Yoni pleasure Palace shop where she has Crystal ones that you can use as part of this practice. It's an incredible practice and I think you know, probably it might make someone feel a bit uncomfortable at first, but honestly it is do with yourself and that's the best way to start so that you're comfortable with your body hmm during that and releasing and then you know, and then that close out into your other relationships and it'll flow into all areas of your life. Like how you feel as a woman your hat like what you feel when you have sex your orgasms like just amazing stuff all areas of your life how you lead from your womb how you feel emotionally physically yeah, I think in terms of like having sex become aware of who you are inviting into your womb because you know everywhere every person that you do have sex with you are essentially exchanging energy with them and if it's someone that you don't want Indle acreage womb space it really is an act of dishonoring your knee now. I still and I do want to say that, you know, sadly we know that there are many women that have had sexual experiences that haven't been consensual and you know that maybe this is triggering but If you are someone in that situation, we would you know, probably encourage you even more to do with allow your body to heal and and process that experience. I just said to you earlier that I'd seen on Rosie Ruiz has Instagram page that yeah, she's sharing, you know, even some Anonymous stories of women who have had experiences like that in their sexual history and they've used, you know, Yoni eggs and from her pleasure ones to really work with the armoring and release. The variances and some of the stories I've read have been really amazing. So definitely encouragement or that when it comes to your relationship with your partner tune into how you feel throughout the month based on where you are at in your cycle, you know physically and emotionally do you want to have sex, you know, and that can change based on where you're at really honoring that and communicating that to your partner get to understand what you desire and need to feel fulfilled. Actually and get comfortable voicing this to your partner, you know communication in the bedroom is huge and it's so important so you can get to understand each other and what you desire we know it can be super scary. Like we know how scary it can be to try and express your desires and communicate your needs. But when you do do this, you know, it's empowering not only for you, but you know your partnership and also your other half will respect you even more for it. You know and if they don't then the reality is that probably not the right person for you. You want someone who's going to respect you? And yeah want to make you feel safe and comfortable and fulfilled we can only change the current Paradigm when we intimately know ourselves respect ourselves and are confident to voice how we feel. Okay, so we've explored some of the major contributors to this disconnect that women are experiencing to their feminine so we wanted to share just a couple of really amazing resources if you want to dive into this topic further to gain inspiration when it comes to books our faves some of our faves are when wisdom wild feminine The Power Within The Red Tent women code the dance of the dissident daughter women who run with wolves dear lover Other resources, for example people to follow include Rosie Ruiz Sahara Rose Fern Olivia Mel. Ambrosini, Jenna Kutcher John Wineland and David deida. Knackering Buddhist and Laura Bryden and we're going to include these books and incredible people in this donate. So don't worry if you didn't write all that down. Okay, so we want to wrap up now guys, and we want to summarize Summarize what we've gone over today by going over some of the ways that you can cultivate greater connection to your feminine. We want you to walk away from this episode feeling empowered with to your feminine to create a greater connection. So I think number one is just get to know your body intimately explore experiment take the time to get to know your body and what it needs get comfortable with your giant vagina even get comfortable saying the word vagina. Vagina vagina. It's so silly. When you say the word vagina people get really uncomfortable. It's so funny. But at the end of the day, the reality is that it is called a vagina like all the women here have them so we all have one. So you have nothing to be ashamed of our scared about, you know, as we mentioned the Armory is an incredible practice where you can release tension past emotions trauma. from the tissue within your vagina and you know, maybe yeah just think with the thought of doing something like d armoring make you feel awkward and ashamed because you know, that could be a really good reflection of whether you are connected to that part of your body or whether you are holding a lot of Shame and disconnect you find girlfriends who you can talk to this about or even you know, maybe ask your girlfriend's hey, would you be willing to and open to chatting about This I'd love to explore this topic. We could do it together get to know your moon cycle intimately and respect what you need at each stage of your cycle. So what food, you know, do you want to eat how you want to exercise? You know, how social do you want to be what self-care activities do you need? Do you want to have sex? What intimacy? Do you want and need and what sleep and rest you need throughout your cycle respecting yourself throughout your site. Cycle is so important get to your not get to know your body in its natural state. You know what you're naturally meant to be what your morning to be born to be and fall in love with yourself. You are not the same as the woman on social media or any of your girlfriend's. In fact, we are all completely unique. Let's create a new body image Paradigm that is real and authentic and reflected all body shapes and sizes. And yeah, just let your body be in. Natural State it's you know, it's weight and shape and you know tune in to what foods do you need to eat? What movement your body needs to be in that state and feel feel like itself if you are experiencing physical imbalances get to the root cause it's key listen to the messages from your body reflect. Are you living a life that you want deep down or are you trying to please others and fit into society? Boxes constantly ask yourself. How do I feel what do I need is? Okay. If you don't hear your own answers to begin with that's totally okay this connection to self and to your body takes time slowly you'll begin to understand your body's cues and exactly what it is honor your body and what it needs to give yourself permission to build you and finally pause and reflect daily on the freaking miracle that you're Party is and remember that the masculine enough thinks the feminine feels while the masculine enough reasons the feminine into its masculine in US compete while the feminine collaborate the feminine give to the world is to create and nurture rather than to control and dominate. And yeah, maybe maybe write some affirmations and mantras to yourself. Like I love myself. I love and accept myself fully I approve of myself. I am a miracle, you know, all of these kind of things cultivate connection to your feminine. These are some of the managers that are still and I both say to each other and that I would say have had a huge impact on us. Moving slowly I deserve I am worthy all of those beautiful juicy things. I just wanted to add that in before we close. So guys, thank you so much for listening. We are so grateful to have had you here with us and to be sharing this super uber important topic for you which we are. So passionate about we really hope that you learned something and that you feel more empowered as a woman because you are freaking incredible. If you feel that there is someone that may benefit from hearing this message. We really encourage you to share it with them and on the ground and remember to tag us at the still Alan and at the wildly finally we would be so grateful. If you can head on over to iTunes and leave us a beautiful five-star review. This helps us so much in getting our message out there to more people and more women like you we love you guys. Thank you for embarking on this journey with us and continuing to be here with us. And thanks for just being a part of this epic girl. Let's talk about it community and I'd still next some thoughts of love.

Do you feel connected to your body? Do you understand the different phases of your moon cycle and feel gratitude for it? Do you feel connected to your womb? Do you feel that it guides and leads you through life? Do you know your body intimately, sexually, physically and emotionally? In today’s episode we are going to explore some of the major contributors for why women today have become disconnected to their bodies and how we can reconnect to our feminine. In particular, we will explore: The sacredness of our Womb Our Patriarchal society  Women as people pleasers Body image pressure  Lack of education  Birth Control Pill Shame around sexuality  Resources  RESOURCES: BOOKS: Womb wisdom by Padma and Anaiya Aon Prakasha  Wild Feminine by Tami Lynn Kent The power within you by Louise Hay  The Red Tent by Anita Diamat Women Code by Alissa Vitti  The Dance of the Dissident Daughter By Sue Monk Kidd Women who run with the wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Dear Lover by David Deida PEOPLE TO FOLLOW FOR INSPIRATION: Rosie Rees Sahara Rose Fern Olivia  Melissa Ambrosini  Jenna Kutcher - body positivity  John Wineland / David Deida - male point of view  Nat Kringoudis / Lara Briden / Dr Libby - female hormones

all I Isabelle pneumoniaOnly a one Lena Headey now. What was the one I want for you was it be Jesus Son of Mary prayed o Allah our Lord send down to us a table spread with a sure and Lasting food from Heaven that it may be to us a source of Festival ever-recurring to the first of us and it to the last Last of Us and serve as a sign from you and provide sustenance for us for you are the best of providers of sustenance the sighting of the new moon to Harold in the new month takes on extra special importance to times during the year to begin the month of Ramadan and to end the Blessed month after having spent a month in a spiritual Retreat seeking proximity to Allah through not only fasting but extra prayers. Shins feeding community members supporting great causes locally and internationally the special blessings of Allah must come to an end. However, the last Taste of such mercies are found at the end of the month of Ramadan with the coming of the first of shawwal a little feather a night and the day which is no less important than later took other the actual day of Eid is such a joyous and special day that fasting is impermissible Haram. Allah wants us to fully enjoy this day and this is seen in the beautiful supplication. We read in the knut of the Eid prayers in which we say a salut Quebec. They had a lie on Allah. Dhul, Jalal tahula Muslim Inna Eden I ask you o Allah by the right of this day, which you have made as a day of Eid celebration for the Muslims just as the new Crescent Moon which was seen 30 days ago to start the month of Ramadan went through so many phases. However, it returns back. To its original form and shape to Herald in the new month of shawwal. So to as Believers we have and we continue to go through phases and stages in our lives and the beauty of idul fitri her is that we have hopefully returned to our true nature that we were born with the up in Legend how Kelly Deanie honey five people at unlocking Latifah ball one. So direct your face toward the religion inclining to truth adhere to the fitra of Allah upon which he has created all people know changes. Should there be in the creation of Allah, that is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. What does this word Alpha term mean we refer to this first day of shawwal as a Defector, but why there are multiple meanings of this word including the following three knee meeting number one is to split to cleave or to break. Meaning number two is to create as in the ACT which allowed performs when he creates us and when he creates anything and meeting number three is that it also refers to our innate disposition. Our human nature which we were created upon just as a seed which is planted into the ground and is watered given are light and all that. It needs to grow into a plant or a tree. So to in the past month we were nurtured by the greatest of caretakers Allah and Allah has caused due to grow from the Earth are progressive growth. We were given all that. We need to bloom and Blossom and thus the day of idul fitri is the day when we break out of our seed and Sprout new routes. Spiritually rejuvenated Believers, not only are we spiritually new Believers. However, we see that on the day of Eid we are recommended to engage in many actions to present ourselves outwardly as being new one. We are told to take a hustle to physically clean ourselves to we are encouraged to wear new clean white clothing 3. We are encouraged to put on perfume or cologne to smell good. And for we must pay the zakat so fitter before we perform the Eid prayers all of these things, perfect our outer shell while the month-long fasting prayers supplication have hopefully perfected our inner core as we conclude this Ramadan reflection for 2019 on this blessed day of Aid we leave you with a portion of the beautiful sermon, which the commander of the faithful Ali bin ABI Talib peace be upon them both delivered on the day of Eid. My saw the peace be upon him has been quoted as saying the commander of the faithful addressed the people on the day of evil fitter and said o people indeed this day of yours is a day when the good doers are given their Awards and the Sinners are at a loss. And this day is the most similar of days to the day of your Resurrection. So then on this day bring to memory you're leaving of your homes and coming to your place of prayer just as you will leave from your Graves going towards your lord. And bring to memory your a journaling on your place of prayer. You're a journey in the presence of your lord and bring to memory you're leaving the place of prayer and returning back to your homes. Just as you're returning of your eventual homes in Paradise or in the hell and understand and know o Servants of Allah indeed the most minimal of things which is granted to the fasting men and women is that an angel will call out of them on the last day of the month stating take the glass. Tiding servant of Allah that indeed you have all been forgiven of all of your previous sins. So then now you need to be careful of how you continue to carry yourself. This is a day for us to celebrate and be happy at completing yet another Amazon. However, let us remember that it is not a happy day in many places around the world many people are suffering around the world due to natural and man-made causes and we should take the time on this blessed day of Happiness to remember them. And to pray for their deliverance from all of the challenges.

Jesus, son of Mary, prayed, “O Allah! our Lord! send down to us a table spread with a sure and lasting food from heaven that it may be to us a (source of) festival ever recurring, to the first of us and to the last of us and (serve as) sign from You and provide sustenance for us, for You are the Best of providers of sustenance.” (5:114) Commentary The sighting of the new moon to herald in the new month takes on extra special importance two times during the year – to begin the month of Ramaḍān and to end the Blessed Month. After having spent a month in a spiritual retreat, seeking proximity to Allah through not only fasting, but extra prayers, supplications, feeding community members, supporting great causes locally and internationally, the special blessing of Allah must come to an end – however the ‘last taste’ of such mercies are found at the end of the month of Ramaḍān with the coming of the 1st of Shawwāl - ʿEid al-Fiṭr – a night and a day which is no less important than Laylatul Qadr! The actual day of ʿeid is such a joyous and special day that fasting is impermissible - ḥarām! Allah wants us to fully enjoy this day and this is seen in the beautiful supplication we read in the qunūt of the ʿeid prayers in which we say: I ask you, O Allah, by the right of this day which You have made as a day of ʿeid – celebration – for the Muslims! Just as the new crescent moon which was seen 30 days ago to start the month of Ramaḍān went through so many phases however it returns back to its original form and shape to herald in the new month of Shawwāl, so too as believers, we have and we continue to go through phases and stages in our lives and the beauty of ʿEid al-Fiṭr is that we have hopefully returned to our “true nature” that we were born with: So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fiṭrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. (30:30) What does this word “al-fiṭr” mean – we refer to this 1st day of Shawwāl as ʿEid al-Fiṭr, but why? There are multiple meanings of this word, including: · To split, cleave, break;  · To create (as in the act which Allah X performs);  · It is also refers to our innate disposition (human nature) which we were created upon. Just as a seed which is planted into the ground and is watered, given air, light and all that it needs to grow into a plant or tree, so too, in the past month, we were nurtured by the greatest of caretakers – Allah: “And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a [progressive] growth.” (71:17) We were given all that we need to bloom and blossom and thus, the day of ʿEid al-Fiṭr is the day when we break out of our seed and sprout new roots as spiritually rejuvenated believers. Not only are we – spiritually – new believers however we see that on the day of ʿeid we are recommended to engage in many actions to present ourselves outwardly as being ‘new’: 1. Take a ghusl to physically clean ourselves; 2. We are encouraged to wear new, clean, white clothing; 3. We are encouraged to put on perfume or cologne to smell good; 4. Pay Zakāt al-Fiṭr BEFORE ʿeid prayers. All of these things perfect our ‘outer shell’ while the month long fasting, prayers, supplications have hopefully perfected our ‘inner core’...

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I'm trying to suck up all the time. I possibly can because listen, I don't know if y'all know there's a whole Smorgasbord of wrestling action. Listen. Damn it. Can I get one caller their bow tie up? Can I get one small package? Can I can I get an abdominal stretch? This is what happened because you know My bad, you know how they tape the shows and almost bulk. Like they take a couple episodes sure. So maybe this was one of those like those like a 38 to do something and was like, okay, they're timed it. Yeah, and it's like we don't want to give away but we don't want to you know, stringing people along but they strung us alone. But what all jokes I'm being facetious right now because I'm a firm believer and I don't actually like when they don't I don't think my biggest fear is kind of like the football guys in pre-season, you know, that guy got the handoff and towards me. I hate that. I hate it so much. Much so I actually don't want any unforeseen accidents from any Superstar right before the biggest nights of their life. So I'm joking around because I kind of like when they just kind of chill with the big dog and let them he's and yeah, can I get a break real quick? Can I do a little bit of cardio lift a couple weights? You know me eat couple Guinea real good get the Toronto. Early-season Canadian thing. I know you got like one traffic light just got running water yesterday. That's what I hear about Toronto, you know, Toronto whack with all they keep harping on that Universal Health Care. That's what I'm talking about. You know trials with a lien sale me on and tell me all Canada. Although the alien Raptors and all the sports pundits were saying well, it's like the the cold version of the US and there's nothing to do there and all this other stuff is not true though. I'm joking. You can do in Canada. There's a lot of culture there. You can bring culture you can. Um, they have a great education system. Not only an amazing Health Care System roof, and they have a really good safety net. They have is family. There's a lot of different things are going on. I'm talking mainly about trying the rest of Canada, you know, somebody leaves like they lie is like where can we go? Can we go to America now, my feelings are deported like they all did in Mississippi. Oh my god. Listen so weak so we got we got to go man. And then going on Kauai just left them that they'll ever going to change your bevel again. I drove out to Jersey but um the old fat style, you know, it's a pain I'm feeling him right now. He's our he was on his own Rick Ross's new album and Rick rolls is my favorite rapper in the business right now. So he was on it and he drops on fire. So for today, I'm gonna call him drink firstly. Let's let's let's let's see if he drops plenty of fire, but I I'll give drink a dollar. If you don't sing on one track to give me that what's wrong with that song singing all the song singing singing The Hook you could sing the hook. So I don't I'll start charging a grip. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Yo, shout-out to the real Whitey Joe supposed on a ski was really really good. Jay will was really good. Both are always in the building Moses. What the hell do you do for a living? I'm tired of this man. I need you to type in the chat today what you do for a living. I'm off to Coney medication Raw and SmackDown missing this Marvel Marvel volunteer firefighter and I'll leave you alone for the rest of my life. Come out verse the Undisputed are this is going to be a pretty salad match II don't it went on too long? I think a lot of contracts I can go on a little too long. I like I like The Showdown. I like the differences in the Clashing of the style is going to happen as for all my grapes on the street problems. I told you what I always say you'll never hear me say they can't go you'll never hear me say they can't wrestle if you really listen to what I'm saying is it's more of their character dumb boys can go. Yeah athletic mixed with power. Then there's technical wrestling on the side. We get the contract signing with them, but Lord William Regal one of my favorites of all time, we're gonna get to the the matches and we think is going to win but would you think about this Square? All over you fat. Are you a fan of contract signings? And it will just talk about that concert signs of those things. We know something's gonna happen and the fact that it didn't go to a giant fight was kind of cool as a refreshing change, but I will say this the street profits on an exterior almost two different characters. I feel like their love and appreciate people get it. Whereas on Raw there just to me very very distilled to be wonder you so Restless. I'm not surprised but I kind of thought they were trying to meld it together once they've already debuted on wrong, but it seems like never keeping those two lanes separate. Not sure what Go after that, I didn't like Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fischer's work that came off as like a couple of bickering couples there in the ring, but the match itself is gonna be pretty hot. So I'm looking forward to that. I mean, I liked it some contract signs just fall on its face because it's just like you just don't have the right people. Yeah, because the thing is, yes, you can you know ended in a fight but it's not going to be a full fight because it's a contract signing up to the fight. So although the I think the Rhonda and and Stephanie one was pretty pretty interesting. Well, yeah, but That was good. That was good. That was A build-up. Right? So I really like this contract sign because they had it was a great promo between the two of them like they essentially insulted each other but listed the accolades of why each person should win or shouldn't win. Yeah, where is like, if you take away your own bias, you don't know which way it's going to go. Yeah, which I like and I like it into your point. I'd like to date they really haven't done that much building of this match because it's group has been doing double duty and whatnot and right. I don't know why they're on like I Again, I am biased I'll do like I've been you can go back. They've been in the Boudoir, etc. Etc. I do like the street profits, but I don't know why they're on Rob. Yeah, like I think I've maybe they're trying to introduce the maybe they're doing the the Lacey Lacey Evans typing possibly. They're introducing them. And if they do that then great. Yeah. I just hope they have a game plan. Yeah, because they'll have no don't have to be the court Jesters in the back for a year. If you do it by numbers there, you know the NXT bring up to the main roster. Haven't been you know, the Greatest truth but you're right. I mean, I think there's not a lot of height for this particular math to tag team title match, but it did seem taking a step back and just pushing the Undisputed errors like 1/10 of getting all the gold and maybe to its credit or discredit. That's kind of been The Narrative of this takeover. That's why I haven't had the time that's what I want though. I plus it gives listen is I'm not saying they're going to lose but it makes sense that the true prophets lose because they've been putting them all wrong every week. It looks like they lose that night and they get the call up and there and there and they get many get thrown right into the tag team division. Not acknowledging that like there's a married couple there and just give the family the belt. They definitely don't want to do that. I can think of that they had plenty of time to do I'll do that if Lobos now with that at all, I gave you that flow face. Because of how they put it together because it's like Candace is all three of them are great on the mic. All three of them are charismatic they could do something with that. Even if it's just one my new thing, but what about when they were in their own but we all know that she likes she likes. Everything Heidi happily married him. Are they all as we know they're having yes on the main roster? Yeah, because users are over. Naomi is not I get that but Bianca I see how they treat women on the main roster and how they treat women of color on the main roster. So that's a totally different thing and XT. Whoever's running and XT. There's the little bit less slightly less. Yes, I don't know the right word is prejudiced but there's a slightly less where there's acknowledgement of. It. Doesn't matter. What if you're black white female or male whatever you can go you can go straight up as you can talk on the mic even better because then you're gonna get more to that's my theory my thing with the with them is like why why not explore that at least because they're exploring different. There's wearing other things wide knees at least acknowledge it in the back like we all know it and I think it would have been a good angle because they are charismatic people and you kind of did a great story with them. Let's say you got a bad idea. I just don't feel like it's an idea. Stop pooping on my idea of snow. I am hearing it because period T in Toronto we take out but I can't keep it. To what end though? I had to go to go to Phobos point to Phobos Point. Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't have to sometimes I think I have a point. No, yes. Yes, and no sometimes certain things have to have a point and has to have a story and I said every direction but sometimes there has to just be acknowledgement of I know what you mean. I know there are we gonna acknowledge Becky and they're not even like a year. And but not ignore because I'm a firm believer in together for a pleasant. I'm gonna make share whole family. She makes his clothing God damn it. I'm gonna know I'm just busy I'm gonna be experiencing. There's people that think that whole Becky Lynch said brother is a little fishy to me man. I'm gonna say it's a little fishy together. So he's a little fish I'm talking about because people don't understand they underestimate the power like back in the day. They did that a lot. They put couples together a certain things to generate revenue and tabloids and headlines stuff like that people people always the people always think that doesn't have to have that happens in the end. Astri, the entertainment industry like this looks good together. Let's do it. Okay, it's just weird. They hype it up too much. I don't think to put a couple together. It wouldn't be if I were to just put people together for the fact of putting different if it wouldn't be Becca to Jim's point. Do they have chemistry when you see them does it look like they have chemistry Rollins and Lynch. They don't think Nancy absolutely. However, if you watch this stuff, You can see their chemistry work it out. That's how do you not high enough chemistry working when I meet cameras, they didn't even know how to play off each other on the ring man. That's weird awkward and they're forced to ditch the display. There there little got to be awkward if that's a real Boon Naomi and whoso an awkward aren't because they've been together forever believer in chemistry. It is this time chemistry. It works man. That's why they call it chemistry with this thing in this together. And again, it came Works any but this thing is gonna blow those up. That's chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I family. Really? I'm from weird. Zombie saying it's man get I get what you're saying, but from, you know meeting in interviewing Becky on Maria Menounos to show the the owner after after buzzword. She seems too much of a real person to go that route money's real to girl that is true. But they paint well, it's Sanic see on their own these shows and they got some Rick hurries interesting I'm saying is interesting though is that you're paid to be. All right. I'm just saying it's interesting like opportunities. Zayn covered these kind of things. I'm telling you man celebrity couples been doing this forever. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying. I'm talking crazy likes married couples. Do this stuff man is weird saying that from from knowing the CrossFit side of them and knowing the coach shouts. Oh Joshy, they have been hanging out together prior to this relationship thing for a long time. Okay, I don't want you. So when they announce that I'm like, okay, I could see it wasn't just out of the blue like okay there they don't you don't even see them many look weird to go because even charlatans and Andre together two things not mention on camera, so I don't The problem is that something you're watching. Whe sharply cross because he and a we should have a everybody together together all screaming period I didn't say everybody everybody everybody black everybody. I didn't say everybody. I say it makes it makes sense and you could do a storyline and if you and I think it would work I would love to see Bianca because there's a time where she should have got the belt sure and there's still time where she can get the belt. I think that ship has sailed. You'll get the bill at all rap. It's hard to my favorite rapper close to my things on the main roster would be a wrap for some wires. But because it's NXT and their roster is like I said is Shana leaves their rosters gonna be super small my favorite. My theory is hermia and beating her was the precursor her beating Shayna baszler this weekend sure because they wanted her like out of sight out of mind and that's the last time you seen Bianca truly is 1 million beater clean and next thing you know me. I am is in the out of nowhere. She's in the main event. Yeah. All I'm saying is is all is weird man. I don't know Bianca is Lester trying to do a good job of you know, like they like kinda like a repackage like Bray because that's what that's how Angel tail out of sight out of mind. So you forget about a little bit she comes back better than every night EST beat the brakes off people or maybe come to the main roster Challenger somebody middle or ring. I mean, I just fall on the table. I think yes, I just feel like she can't she shouldn't be on the main roster until she gets that belt will see you might be right though. I feel like she is there sir. Certain people that went to the main roster where it's like, okay, that's okay didn't get the red belt because in the NXT like the latter for the next he's not that big or not that tall right but there's hordes those go as far as belts go as far as people who are I guess, you know quite as shouted to Jim box office. There's there's few people who are like that I think would be on with Bianca Bell are taking away the bias because y'all know I have Buy stores or taking away the bias. She's definitely box office and Beltway and it more NXT. Like a living room and there's pillow see I kid. You not heard homeboy her on Monday is homebody walked out. I was in the Skybox resume and they literally walk right by me scoffs. Let me see how your hydrology boy and I'm a little boy and I know is I won't bite no Bianca fight isil and person like him into that and hold and homeboy super gonna be super tall. Yeah. Here you go there he put like this. They're Stars man. Yeah when I walk by them to they are stars now and they are they are jet ski Jet Beauty of the week. Yeah, I mean black GQ all day long man, black black. The model of the Year man. That's not the created at nominate them. No good you when you walked by me like Damn. Yeah, they they fit you don't feel like I'm telling people listen, especially coming out to Hollywood man. Like you you people don't understand when you see real stars you feel some type of way. When you see them. There's those everyday people that are famous that they like. Oh, that's okay. That guy's a little nerdy guy. He's famous. There's some cash that was back in June. I walk by what's called Liam Hemsworth. I won't believe him worth. I got a car but I didn't know it was him all but I feel like a chill. I was like, somebody won't buy me a lie, or is it his work you do that, dude? It's not bro like that. You feel something to say to you. It's a Hora. I'm not even trying to be funny. So when I was walking by and I knew people would come in and it was baesler and the whole crew and it was them to us like that. That's a power couple man. Yeah that that black damn. Yo. So the she is box watches HEI HEI Oh my God, baby, maybe a gift to I'm at you sideways recently my birthday. Thanks guys for the shoutout. This is for my birthday AIG. We can neither confirm nor deny that he has birthdays last couple days ago. No, man. No, but we get so we got we got a nice one. So we had like 57 Montage of the night. So he had one Montage which my favorite one of the night was MIA him and Shayna baszler. I like I like I want basil to stay away from the microphone forever, but she has her moments in like I like Tyler. Listen to me was her best work. Absolutely when she was talking about, you know, I just like the way she's a slave owners girl likes. This girl should be arresting this girl. She didn't have a job. Yeah. She's you know main event with me like a child, please but like I don't know gave it was lying. But those fire she gave her something lunch fire mium quiet has kept its she put like it's all jokes aside. We know you know, the fans didn't get her in a spot that girl been grinding man me and me and me and me grind and let's let's let's all jokes aside this matchup will I think will turn some heads Shana Baker can get a good match at a pretty much anybody. Yeah, I don't want to say we'll get to all that later on. Would you what did you think of this build and will at the end of the show? We'll talk about who you thinks gonna win or just for background last week on the show. I said, I was neutral and both women. In fact, I didn't really like or hate anyone more than the other after today's promo. I'm definitely on team Baylor and the reason being like it was I like the idea of me a story how she was rocked by let the fuck you shut her down and say look man, you're okay, but you're a Savage. I'm this classy person with the ring. I'm a trained fighter you get in the ring with me either tap nap or snap. So these are things I can't repeat your character more this being the MMA person who I thought was pretty awesome. So having this problem, I'm not sure what the match itself but I was like, okay, I'm gonna be interesting for sure. He wouldn't be going to find out when the bright lights are on brother ain't no promos rainbow pre-taped packages, right? There's there's not old girl in the back asking terrible questions. It's just it's just it's just She has been grinding. Yes, and then you add, you know, I'll also add that the UFC background and like you said me Liam's been around will not work ever come on now Indy Indy Indy. I don't want to see a legend but you know, yes, this is the biggest moment of this the biggest match of her career and I look and I can say that with because this is because this is WWE, man. Hey, everybody always talk about New Japan and all this ring on. I'm laughing at me beat me beat me then we talk about practice because when we talk about the place we talking about practice. This this is the show. I know everybody much like the poopoo it but we doing after the show the WWE right now. Okay, will you do it? Like you said that well couple weeks ago. We asked me to him right now is she gonna say this Saturday? She goes a this headache and she especially she's getting a nod to get the door. Get the dub you tell me right now. She holding that build up that will be the biggest moment her career. As far as Russia release type 1 or type 2 for sure. Well, that's and that's the thing. It's the same thing is she doesn't get the Bell. Good. I think we talked about it last week. It's Gina loses the belt. I don't think that tends to scheana's those Shana's light at all. Hell no. The thing is it's the same thing with Bianca it Mia loses the belt that Mia's gonna go back down and have to start from scratch and then it's just like, okay, that's fine. But it loses the the luster because even if Bianca got the belt and then she lost it again and Shayla at Shana as not who Sky pirate because you're right. Yeah. No Kyra Kyra. Yeah. Like they went back and forth. I could take that but what happened with Bianca's like she just lost it and a couple times. Yeah, it's just like hmm. Okay. Now what so if I don't know if you know, I'm sure the chat knows how many how many times they said we missed gym in the chat. I was like, okay. I miss I miss him too. How many times has that? She has he defended in one that belt? That are you saying and you got it back? That's right. Yeah, she's been doing it for two time Champion is Ryan's I'm jabbing to your point will be like the matter puts that division on a reset together if she even she doesn't matter whether yeah, whether or not and definitely me and might be her biggest match of her career. Yeah. So we all may stop the presses extra extra read all about it. We had a match we had to match tonight Liz. I know y'all it's crazy man. Bear with me bear with me it was walking wow verse same Thorn like vanilla watching vanilla just vanilla and french vanilla and vanilla bean and then you had them on the table and they had it behind taste test and they said choose one which one's vanilla Pure, what did this one? I'm tired of this View. And what will separate this dude from being Ricochet. He's a diet Ricochet man. Why can't I shake widely exactly. That's the problem. He's right. That's a problem. You like diet diet diet. Who is like I can't tell you the last time I saw him in a mass going damn shame and it's sad because that the mighty don't feel that group that any group has been dominant on three different continents three different kinds of they got only seven of them was kind of like yo, man, you can punch and kick and hit really hard. That funny was great. But other than that was it was French vanilla. Vanilla beans vocals play with shouts of vanilla diet diet principal my man and hold the diet of diet Cesaro guys. He likes listen y'all. I thought y'all go have a hard time on that man Roger. Yeah, it ain't my for y'all. Don't be mad at me because when y'all get that call up, if you hear that call up and you walking around looking like that Ricochet. Yeah, exactly. Don't don't don't be calling me. Listen, I'd all I do is report what I think now. We're at the end of the day when I was gonna be right when I'm gonna be wrong when it was hanging on by a thread to when you see when you walk in the back of the head and someone goes Aces are old and you mad at me. He's like, I'm Shane throwing ever gonna my accent. That was my Australian accent because I can't do it. I just let it run. Watch watching you and me Robbie rock with crocodile doing here by yourself. So we have Shane Thorn that defeats of Joaquin wild in the very very vanilla match with vanilla Fighters and they gave us a vanilla show. Yeah, so that's why I'm filling it up with all this dead. Are we got y'all I'm doing I'm trying I'm trying I'm working it out. Y'all want his that shot toxic coating. Unclear. Not sure I'm clear. Yeah this yacht when I'm glad I was sluggish last week you listen listen listen, so we get okay another Montage coming up y'all. I had to be called a Kazakh Predator because this helmet had the Predator shape mask. I'm how you were a pop culture fan furor if you're into that but is my favorite fictional character of all time. That's why I'm saying that was that something you saw or you kind of like bit try and get baby not like him even more prepare enough and second of all when Beth Nigel going at that, I weird exchange when she Nigel called bet sick and she likes kills me sir. Don't you ever disrespect a predator coming out some neon lights to the printer first? Seeing you right away and killed you. That's true. You make it too much noise, man. Scrap metal brother room go where my mouth shout out to Dylan Matthew saying that Paul Hogan is a National Treasure. I told you to come to his house right now. So so I was getting super excited one of my favorites - over other the original bro mad riddle. What's going on? Is that Beast of Belfast and he's a monster man. He wanted him throwback hours from he's one of them. Irishman they need it back when they were fighting for the independence. They needed me there that can be That's my kind of guy. Going with the theme that you'll see the Brokers Killian Dane, I think but we'll get to that. I'm just going to speculate is there a keighley matter now? No. No that's kind of weird to me because you know take over usually steals the show. So everyone says until SummerSlam hates and everyone acts like though. This was kind of good to anyone. I kind of like the takeovers. No, I demand to see this coming everyone. Everyone does every fan I go to a nun Li there was a guy who was a better show go guys because it's a two-hour show typically now, they're stretch it out a little bit, but two and a half Ours, but God Lord have mercy three hours four hours that's going to be 3 and some change. Yeah, it's called the Brooklyn's Barclays Center and we literally sat down eight had conversation ordered another meal and it came out and it was still going and then we went in to watch it. Dang. I'm not Yeah, it was all day. It was all day. It was it it's yeah, it's an all-day thing. You know, it's a problem because I want to show and I have to put my friend on your old man's gonna make seven hours altogether. You still want a girl? Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm a SummerSlam guy is too heavy but I would have my hat. Hey, bro, I don't think it's funny but I don't work that I know was dope no matter how serious is no, like what I try to tell the people especially the people that are spoiled for wrestling and good for you that you get over wrestling and not like that lets this always blows my mind how fans can say something's too long when they paid their money for it right now. Listen, everybody. Got to TK hook up. Most of you most learned most of the unwashed masses out there have to pay for their ticket. So it's so way so it kills me. So it kills me is that this how you know, you're spoiled you're spoiled when you pay a lot of money for a ticket and with all due respect guys. I know a lot of people are not used to sitting in the front row wrestlemanias her Summers like those things are expensive as hell. Yeah. So with all due respect I asked the guys that are in the front row if that six-hour show was born because when you leave during the let me tell you one thing you can't say that you didn't get your money's worth. Absolutely. Yeah, the ones in the front row are usually like they're not go but I'm nobody's a they're using like night the they're usually tickets that are given away not. Oh not that old our Super Fan there's a couple rows and then there's rows of fans that are there on it and they paid that $2,000 it to ya for this day. Not everything's calm down. Not everything is called now. I'm just letting the matter. WrestleMania where to pay for it. I don't think I would sit there for six years, but you wouldn't but I'm telling you. Have what? Yeah exactly. How much you spend all about? 700 now 800 I said what night out. The song for a concert is a Bruce Springsteen concert. Yeah, Bruce will go Bruce can go Bruce can go who's gonna like three hours? Yeah, and you too. I mean they're great but I still showed up half way to just to get something like that's you two together. That's all normal normal thing is that's get their money's worth not they don't say you want to last a month. Season which is six weeks and now it's birth best because Evan is one who created it. So we're expanding it. I'm sorry y'all medication to cut to go back to him. Listen. I'm your man shouting mongi. All right, man was good. Also, we got a Lord have mercy man, but I'm killing babies Briggs. Oh my God. Damn, is that beautiful blonde hair? And I'm very upset about that man. Very upset about that. Um, the breakout told him I had a long montage and they show kind of like the build-up and they showed the people that are moving forward. I think they made a couple wrong choices, but that's neither here. Here nor there that's gonna be on them. That's gonna be on them when they put somebody vanilla against Gargano or Adam Cole baby Soul or dream or we're going to assume a triple threat that's gonna be my magic tonight because because I got really don't know wasn't having them that they did a good job of building this to get a good job putting dream against another obstacle that he might still survive. He still might I still think they still think he's not ready yet. I think. I came as a star there. I'm not sure I think moving to the next level everybody that you saw in that commercial for the get video game and dream was in that and everybody that they that they're going to be pushing. Yeah, and I'm a we all know that like, oh, okay. We know that we know the dream is getting to push though and we're whether people are no it care about or like it is the lab. It's gonna happen. It's also almost gonna be not as big as the Ronda Rousey effect, but as big as far as Pop culture because he he I don't even know how to properly place this but you you're not he's not allowing you to put him in a box sure. So I'm mainstream media that's gonna be great as far as different magazines pop culture all this other stuff. So if they have the right publicist, he's gonna be at these not necessary killing it in the ring. He could be like the young version of Titus and will wear these every we'll see about that because I'm a I'm a firm believer. He has to felt against the face the right person to get that magazine thing. Clout because we're on a cloud Rhonda earned her clout by getting her face beat in for a couple years Valentino. No disability. He that great. No, it's not that he has have a great Feud another so I'm saying for mainstream media, you don't necessarily have to be that great you'll be so if there's certain issues that you're that you're tied with with wrestling. You don't think so. Well, it's different from wrestling mainstream media if they're talking about like a magazine that it that started that's talking about sexual fluidity or you know, how he's changing the game. Yes, there's gonna be articles about him because he's different from everybody for you. Yeah, he definitely thinks I'm saying on on the mainstream level if they have the right publicist knows how to do it and attack the right angles even in gets a call it the main roster. He might not make it to a senior level but he'll make enough of a man named of himself outside where he can go and if he can act like he's good. I hope you're right about that because I think he still needs them. He's to beat somebody of note like like the goat that to me. I'm telling you. I think that skyrockets Volturi. Xena yeah, I'm sorry. I do anything else in Acts. He though he had to be promoted for me. No. No, I think of that think he cannot think the next movie for him is to get the NXT Championship. Okay, how do you know so like I so it wouldn't be so bad if he lost this and then and getting to my last thing that happened at the long Montage Adam Cole baby and Johnny and Johnny Gargano and that this this two or three Falls match that I wish they were not doing because I really need them to let Adam Cole go off and do his own thing and I really don't care what they do with Johnny Gargano. I'm just tired little Lil Peanut head let's talk about how great he is. I'm not I'm tired bro. I'm so tired. Don't you ever in your life, but your name is Shawn Michaels in the same breath. I don't give a damn what you think when you was a kid? Yeah. Don't say that breath. Yeah, that's that's a cause are you? All right. Whoa, so Michaels. Oh my God, man. We got your goat or what is on my golden link on the our top five? He's I don't know man, easy easy and some of our can I was like, Comparing all sides and no disrespect he wasn't doing that. I'm gonna be very clear. He would just bounces aspirations. Sure. He wasn't comparing is just when he said he just hit my ear wrong. I'm sorry, man. I was coming off my meds. I'm tired, man. Okay, and I'm pretty sure this is it. I'm pretty sure this is the last It's already doing a different to a dream Falls match and that get that gets me into what we're going to talk about the wrap it up to start the tenancy Toronto Magic card. I'm Johnny Gargano Adam Cole, babe a two out of three Falls match different types of matches flow Bo who wins are in. Are you tired of this Feud? Are you done with this match? Are you what's is this still appealing to you the main event? That's what I three Falls match it going. It's going to be spectacular it is and the thing is I hate to say that Jim was right about Gargano, but he's not necessarily about right about him being a performer. But there's no reason why John Gregg a nose at that level after Chomper at that storyline was dismantled praise hard to get attached to drink again and he's no longer an underdog. That's it my thing and that's Mike and he's supposed to be the face. So to me, I think the turning point for me where I got off the bus was asking you is what he showed up to evolve and I Tyler fans with colon and tazawa was like, well, you're the bully the good guy. What are you doing there? Yes, Johnny, who do I root for and as much as I like Adam Cole, he needs a hole under that belt. He deserves that bats what I'm saying? There's so much more firm as a group of damage, but it out or him moving up. Pretty our doing something else. Let me ask you a question that the piggyback what you're saying. What what's that? What's a sexier match up to you if you just turn off your ears. How does it hit your ears? Johnny Gargano Velveteen dream or Adam Cole Velveteen dream. I'm glad right. Just think about baseball in promos match. What would make more sense? Yeah, right because character because Adam Cole has a bit of a no-nonsense thing to it has some Flair. Yes. Our dream has flared. He also nonsense right? Men are Yin and Yang style Tai Chi Gargano be like listen Dream and he be like Johnny Gargano my own Oh, come on, man, but they already did that. It's so funny in six months. We've gone from be like yo, Joey Logano to Johnny don't know he can he can go but absolutely that's what it's hard for me to just explain in a 45-minute show. Like it's not about he what do I always say, I always preface that dude can go right he can wrestle man. There's not too many people that runs better than on Earth. I will always give him that you kidding me with that. Dude doesn't ring absolutely going to post bail to bel canto buddy Russell this dude. He just needs a movie. She's boring. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say is slightly breathing to be packaged and he just needs a moment like every day every day. Every day of your life is not going to be amazing and 100% So it's just like this this version of him is just like not it's not interesting so they should have took a this he should have taken a backseat right? Let somebody else, you know, that's my that's my problem and neither repackage him or figure it out or figure out give somebody else. So who is this match who wins this match Co has to run its gonna winds and cold. I'm gonna have the belt there's nothing Difficult to go because the whole draped in gold think stops yours will be the figurehead, but you can't defend now where you go from there. So it's kind of like a guy win this match. Yeah. What about you think you see thing out of Comas is my hope he does because I'm tired right? It's right. You just know he's he's boring man. Well, some people might find him. It's just the same thing like everybody attaches themselves. That's why it's great to have different representations representing different things, etc. Etc. But it's just like You can't have you can't eat peanut butter and jelly everything else and that's that's a good way of putting it and I said because peanut butter jelly delicious peanut butter guy. I'm a jelly. You gotta hold it. Nice and Toronto. That's how Canadians to Reckless a top Reckless about America with American National Treasures. Oh, yeah. I got I have um, we're some reason it's weird. It's like they might be pushing Candace maybe to be the next Challenger or Shana. If she doesn't retain it makes it they liked her a lot. Everyone seems to like a chemical right heel shoe my is amazing right now though, right? It has a darky. Oh Cherie has the momentum going in for her McKenna's eraser. Historically has been on that level of that hardcore / Russell. She went with First Blood match with Kevin Owens. I looked at it how Yong panting put me onto that had some first first one matches interchange imagine so she has that kind of Wait to the thing is about you sure. Ah, she has to win this match or at least look strong but I do think Ken is goes over on Saturday. But EOS. Try Peter Bradford the Bell that way you establish that fuse a grudge match you get them both over both characters over a bridge news canister whole new generation. Yeah, because laughter introduced can't is because she doesn't have much of a like something to sink your teeth into like the reason I gotta take towards her is because I know of her in the past sure right, but if I were just to if you're going to just look at it as far as surface value like there's nothing to sink your teeth. Do as far as story. So you need to they need to figure out you know, yes, they're going to have a great match because that's I mean that's that's not even an option that's going to happen. But what is going to happen after the fact was true? It's the biggest match of weekend. I'm I think yeah, I don't think people understand is nothing more fun than the Japanese girl when she switches up because lab you don't know the Japanese girls have like two voices. They do like the sweet little old anime voice and then they can do this to any of these Basie Japanese voice. Did you hear I'm telling you they all can do this I want Now you a prediction card know it's summer said weekend. It's the biggest moment alone over here hard. Yes, because he's covering the pay-per-view. Are you covering up a revealing? How do you Debbie in there now? How how dare I have wrestling pay-per-view predictions on the resident paper for picture show. Are you guys are killing me right now - and there's no limitations. Are you sure you can totally come if you want to do don't go You get an invite hell, no. Okay, I don't bone because I've I hope so because I'm even tired she's been a viable changing be fine. Yeah, she's yeah, she's been a viable Champion. So it's not about I just think this from a storyline respected me and makes more sense. I think it'd be really great. So hopefully she gets to do so then we get the match and I think it's still the show is Velveteen dream verse the the Bruiser way Pete Dunn was Roderick strong. Think this match will steal the show unless my boy Matt really goes against Kelly and Dane. Who do you think wins that flow bow? And that triple threat match for the North American Champions to your point earlier. I think Velveteen Jim goes over that way. You can solidify him. I don't know but probably yeah, cuz the any titles much as I liked it and the designers, I think there's not really an aesthetic to we don't know what that division is kind like their InterContinental it kind of is what kind of about what is it like, oh how you define that because I see historically was like, oh the working man's work great division, but that hold brand. Everyone can go so I think I love is enjoying being that character of that time for round put it over top. Do you know about you? We think when that triple threat match I mean using the is it time for ability to lose the belt right now. It depends that they have a plan for him to go to go to the next level because if they don't have time for him, he's good enough to hold are built to hold the belt and remain as is because he is who he is committees League of go ahead. Go ahead and North America. Well, I mean, where's Keith? I cannot go against him for that and the North American Title. They had those like those taping days. We do with eight episodes in a row. So that's why a lot of times guys will get rotated as much as but he wasn't even a thought for SummerSlam because even they had those those those episodes they were already planning for sorry the Takeover sure. He's so like it was even a thought for that. So hopefully maybe he is after that but the fact that he wasn't even a thought for that because just like me and him because they're together by the way, just because you know, I just don't know just like me and yeah we get together on TV. I know her real life put it out there. We need a boo-boo on these. Are you telling me that's enough to not be together. Can it up a mountain? Wow. Oh my God. My little dog is Montana. As for versus the Undisputed are my personal favorite because I want them to know I had to go and at one point at least for five months six month to take overs or to just have that that all the polls and they call or they just look so it looks so good. Come look so good. Yeah, there's no Fashions anymore. Anyways, man, who wins this title. Is this the moment where the true prophets get the call up do they do they drop these titles? They haven't had it for that long. They wanted a doll that at the Wrestlemania take over I believe 2525 Um, is it time for them to get up TK to do they do they retain or and they keep doing the thing. They do backstage or I mean if they call them up to rather just they're they're they're ready, but they're not ready because they'll get lost in it because we've already seen we've already seen that so it's the game plan is to like, you know have them on raw and now you're just getting used to see their faces, but they're still on Annex e that makes more sense to me but to give up the belt and then it goes straight to Raw even though their benefit from being part of the tag team Division. I don't think they're gonna get there. They're fully going to be used because they just haven't been using NXT call-ups. Well, unless they really really do plan on getting Heaven take the L and immediately make an impact and take titles. Like, you know what I mean immediately establishment of that that it can go either way. What about you for because I have this match opening the entire event. And I know it's going to tease the draped in gold thing. So I have the understood are winning this match and Adam Cole retaining but even though I have injury retaining that draped in gold will happen between now and the next hope so bro truly Somebody said a few with a new day. Like I mean, they could have their there's a lot of great foods that they can have and the main roster but is it would it be a feud where they're going to be the ones always taking the L? Because then that's just a ruin what they built Allah is the ovens, right? Yeah. So yeah, we said we don't know guys is gonna be good. So like I said, we're about to wrap it up, but just in case they make that match. I think they are killing and Dana versus the original bro. I think they're making that my God, like I said, oh, oh Working in Brownsville, and she really wants this so I don't necessarily think she should keep the belt was in the Buddha but you're right, but well, I'd L won't her though. Oh, no, I don't know. That sounds solid. She is in her position right now. Yeah. 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Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode 103 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa and Rebecca because you don't know their names. I know well, they probably don't know which one is which if they see photos of us because that's always weird for people. You know, I understand that. Yeah, I've done that. I do I do it all the time. I'm always thinking it's the opposite person and it's not so Rebecca is the older one with the really bad voice the Bad Boys voiceover voice. I thought you said the really bad boys and I was laying down what you're signing your husband bad boys bad boys. I also went there design from the 90s. Now you have a lovely voice you crazy woman. I don't you do to you do to memory with now. Listen after this episode is done after we tell all the stories of the crazy shit show weddings that we love to tell I want to hear all about the pride parade. Okay, gotcha. So you are going to give me the down low I will do that. But before that I just I have a funny story to tell you. Okay. Are you ready? I am okay. So funny story Justin's Grandpa died. I'm so sorry. That's not the funny part. That's not funny at all. That's not the funny part. Okay my God, he was it's okay. He was 91 Zoe. You know, he had it's never okay, but I understand what you're saying. We had a great life, you know. Yeah, he was married for 68 years. Holy fuck. Yeah. And I mean, wow, that's a mother fuckin accomplishment and a half. No kidding. Seriously. Yeah congrats to his wife. Seriously. It's not amazing. So like Justin's grandparents, like he had all his grandparents for longest time in his both of his grandfather's just passed away. But anyway, I know so his papa passed away just the other day and it was pretty sudden anyway. Justin has his dad Dennis who is my father-in-law who's amazing? And then Dennis is brother. So Justin's uncle is Uncle Dale. Okay? Okay, Uncle Dale is an interesting character. He had L is always an interesting. What is it with Dale's? They're always interesting. I knew Adele once he was very interesting as well. Okay, so exactly. So anyway, I was told this story so So obviously everybody's really upset about their dad dying, you know, Dennis and Dale and ever and all the siblings. So Dale drives up and he goes to see his mom and his mom the wife obviously is speaking to the minister who is a good a good friend of theirs and the minister presided over the funeral so they were basically having a meeting. So it was I think His mom, right which is the wife and his sister were meeting with the the minister Reverend or whoever to talk about the funeral and the eulogy and all of these things. Right? So it's an older nice older man. Gotcha. So Dale walks in and he's like, you know all nice to meet you nice to meet you and he starts asking about, you know, The Minister's Wife and just why Oh, just how are you? How's your wife because they're kind of friends of the family. They like he just started asking about The Minister's Wife. I'm like why I know right? No just friends of the family kind of thing or like, you know Friends of the the grandparents. So anyway, He says oh, how's your family doing and he goes, oh good, you know in mentioned his wife being busy at work and he said, oh where does your wife work? And he says though the manner in Guelph and Dale goes. Oh your wife's a stripper. Because guys I didn't know this but the manor is a strip club in Guelph. Yes. I knew that the problem is that's why when you said that I was like, huh? Hold on the problem is the man are also was previously the name of an old folks home. So the wife is not a stripper. She used to work with the elderly at an old folks home sauce. So The Minister's like you know, what I feel for Dale that's not his fault. That's not his fault a manner in Guelph is always been known as a strip club. Okay. Well, I didn't know that. So let me just tell you I have known that since I was like 18 Justin cracked up laughing when his mom told him the story. I've been there, of course you have and Justin cracks up laughing and he told me he said what Dale said and I said, of course he did because he's Dale. He's Uncle yes, that's what he does. Yeah, I anyway that way I don't blame him. It's not his fault. And the best part is him. Justin's cousin put it put this story in the eulogy. That is awesome. It was the very first sentence she came out with and it was so funny. She was so nervous about it. She goes it was like 200 people this whole this Funeral Home was crammed people were out on the streets a very small town very well-respected couple and she goes Okay, I asked a bunch of people if I should start the eulogy this way and they all told me I should so yeah, and then she told the story like because I said she doesn't like I'm telling this on the podcast it goes just wait. I don't know if my dad wants it edited and then she came out with it in the eulogy and I turned him in the funeral home. I went I'm barely I'm telling it on the podcast and he just smiled and was like nodding his head. All right. All right. That's awesome. She is my hero for telling me. That at in the eulogy that's amazing. Oh my God, that's a good Icebreaker. It's something and then the funeral plans was a younger person who died tragically like, you know, you know, then it probably wouldn't have happened but because it was an older gentleman and he had quite the amazing life and you know what? I mean? Like, it's just one of those. Yeah, it was it was throw a little laughter a little chuckle into this before everyone starts crying, you know, yeah, it was a celebration of life kind of Yeah feeling to I get that I get that so that's cool. Plus he had been cremated. So there was like, I don't know. It's a little more chill when they're cremated versus you know, what I find it too. I don't know why that is I think it's just when there's a physical body there still and you can see them. It's very intense. Yeah. Yeah, even if even if it's a closed casket, I still find it very like it is it's like this weight on your Your chest right? It's very heavy. It's very intimidating. But when it's just cremation, I don't know. It's like you have your memories of that person. It's much more. Yeah, I live right? It's yeah lighter so crazy Pro tip if you get cremated don't have to buy a casket those things are expensive. Just saying everybody is looking to save money and this on a light note. I Stray true. Oh, I have another story. I have another story as you know, some shit cost to create a person though. It's very expensive. I can't be more than put getting a casket is a fortune. Yep. Don't you still have to put them in an urn? I hate to see this box. No, it's true. My aunt was a know when you get them cremated when Go into the oven are so so wrong. No, I don't think so. I think they do. I don't know but it could be cardboard. You're fine it burns right honestly, as long as you get something flammable that will oh my god. Look I am defeating from a place. It's going so wrong. Listen. I'm going coming from a place where I am planning on getting cremated. So I'm like throw me in an Ikea box. Shove me in There I'll see you on the other side. I'm goody. I was raised Catholic and you know technically technically you're not supposed to let me let me repeat myself. I was raised Catholic but a big fat butt. Yeah, technically you're not supposed to get cremated if you're Catholic, I believe I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that's true. You're also not used to use condoms. I know that one is true. That's not true. Oh, yeah. Catholics know yes, they are completely against birth control. No, they're not. Are you crazy? I don't know a single Catholic person. That doesn't take birth control. It is a stereotype like mad Google that Catholic campaign trap. I can make a shitting on Catholics right now. Anyways, anyways, why do you think they are I want to kids. All right. I want to be cremated. Like I've told everyone not except for my parents because I think they might actually have a heart attack. Okay, I'll make a note but listen this ache. No I also have a list of people I do not want at my funeral. Are you kidding? No, you have a funeral shit list. Yes. That's great. That's my level of fucking Petty Wow real that's amazing. I'm like in awe of your spiteful is like, you know, they are not allowed in. I don't give a Shit rejected at the door. Yep. Turn away. I don't want them to know in advance that they're not allowed in. I want them to actually show up and have someone at the door with the listen say, I'm sorry, you can't come here and ghost Rebecca. Oh these floating they're going exactly so there was one other amazing story that came out of this very sad event and I was I was amazed. At how well Justin's grandmother has been handling. This she is one of those people who will be strong for other people. She doesn't fall apart. She doesn't like she's so sweet. She's sweet to her core, but she's so strong and I think we speculate that because he kind of went out on his own terms in a way like it was very sudden. He didn't want to be hooked up to oxygen things like that. He kind of just decided to rip it all out and say I'm out. She's really at peace with it, and I think he's been very Very like Turf her husband was his health was failing over the last few years. I think you almost go through a period of mourning when you're starting to lose your loved one at that age for sure. Right? So she was very even though sudden she was very prepared and she's been doing incredible, you know and handling everything like an absolute Pro. But one thing I totally didn't see coming is they were talking about how they made these funeral plans? Back in 1990. Uh-huh. Okay. So this is something that people do apparently that I was at as a 35 year old. I had no freaking idea. My parents have all there's done if listened it had a done deal. I would we were kids. Yeah, so you actually she went she and her husband went to a funeral home said we want to be cremated. These are the earns. You know, this is this this is that Justin was sitting there. And my mouth probably fellow but I couldn't believe that they did this. They paid their like they're just proud of the deal at this point. And that's the funny thing. I understand as a 35 year old person. I should be like wow, that's kind of fucking weird to plan your own funeral. But then the the mother who's 35 and has like really high grocery bills goes. Wow, that's financially responsible. That's it death. That is something like I bet they got a great deal on that. You know. Yeah, so it's like that and you're not putting the burden on your family. Ali to Fork out all this money like right when you die, well a hundred percent but the best part way they thought back then right to but the best the best part is that I didn't realize how in-depth it goes. Like I figured it just they're paying for, you know, the cremation or the casket whatever and then all the rest of the details would follow right? Yeah. No, no. No, they did it all they had their headstones made already. This blew my fucking mind. The best part is when we're sitting there reminiscing with his grandmother me and Justin and her, you know, having a coffee and she go and he goes, yeah, I'm pretty sure you guys took me to see them one time and apparently I was like what so when he was like I said, how old are you in 1990? He was like 6 so his fucking grandparents take him to the cemetery and the go in and they're like look, There's Grandma and Grandpa's headstones. And I said Justin on a scale of 1 to 10. How much did that fuck you up? Yeah, because how six years old Rebecca. Like I can't deal with that. Yeah. Wow, my parents have told us for years that they had. It's all planned. Like it's all it's in a nice folder and it's good where to find the folder and it's it Listen, it's in a Dua Tang. Yeah, very sensible. Yeah, can you don't you agree though? There's something inherently terrifying about seeing your name on a headstone with your birth date and no death date yet. Okay, so my poppy which is my grandfather, right? He passed away wait quite a head of my grandmother, right my Danny and when you know, we went to the service Cemetery Bob lot right? Well Headstones there and it has her name and it just has her date of birth and it was like that for years. I very long time, you know, and it's just I don't I think maybe because I grew up that way it's been nor it's normal to me, but I didn't and it's weird to me and I was at the service we actually went to the internment just the immediate family and it's like I'm standing there looking around at all these stones in the ground and I'm looking at the dates without the ones Each next to it and I'm thinking you'll be here soon and you'll be here soon and you'll be here soon. It's just wild to see that like yeah, it was so real. You know why I told you how was it last year the year? I don't know. My mother-in-law came out to me just like Becky. Can I show you something and that I told you this right? She was showing me the plots. I don't have my map. I feel like I told you this maybe I don't know bleah and it's a map and it has the plots that are available. You combine that you did tell me that I was like, yeah, right and then she was saying how ones close to the road and I was just like like it matter like does it really matter? Like at this point at this point? Does it really matter? I don't know. I would be high maintenance about that. I'd be like I put in a lot of years you assholes are not leaving you on the side of the road. Yeah. I don't know. It's just yeah, it's so bizarre. This one's closer to the road while the milk the noise might bother me, you know the noise from the trucks. When the cars yeah my keep me up at night. I will say everyone should have some form of like life insurance or something Santa will people otherwise they take your shit. I fucking will have a will. Please have a will I've done that. I just haven't planned my own funeral yet. Gotcha. I've planned mine. Everyone's Vela. Well aware what I want don't want but like right down to my list young bought a headstone yet have you know, and I don't know. Well, I don't want to Buried so neither. I want to be sprinkled. I don't want to be sprinkled either. No. Oh, are you gonna be one of those creepy women who are like put me on your mantle and let me look at you and your wife forever. Yeah. Well I said to my I told my kids right? Well, my kids are teenagers. So I figured they can handle it. I said you each get some, you know, some whatever container you want and then just fucking take me with you. We put you oh my God. Can we please put you in some Tupperware? Can I have stopped it? Ha ha ha I said yeah, so just pick whatever type of container you want throw a little of me in there. I'm gonna have you in a tupperware container and then I will make sure never to open because I'll lose the lid if I open it. So I'm going to keep it sealed. I'm going to wind on a shelf and when the kids are doing something for arts and crafts. I'm going to be like don't touch Rebecca. She wouldn't she wouldn't like it. And if you if you lose the lid I'm Gonna Knock her over and I'll never get that back in so just yeah. Yeah, then you're in the vacuum cleaner and then I'll have a haunted vacuum cleaner. And then you have bigger problems. Right go right not good. I don't want to be sprinkled because I feel like I want to be near those I love ah, so so you can haunt them. I don't know. I feel like if I'm I don't know why I have this in my head. I feel like if I'm buried or if I'm sprinkled somewhere that I'm going to be lost you will cease to exist. You'll live in purgatory forever. Yeah, like I'll be lost. I won't be able to Refine them. I don't know. It's weird. That's interesting. Yeah, so I've always felt that way. So I've always said no, keep me wherever you can put me in a fucking closet. I don't care but just don't what's that? Oh, that's just Mom. So you have your mom on a shelf in your closet and tupperware container High because if God forbid you do that thing where you open the closet door and down on you. Can you imagine attack the lid? First of all, those motherfuckers are probably heavy Stone. Yeah, you know secondly if it falls on your head, she's either going to kill you or it'll open and just coat you and then you're in trouble. Yeah, because you know, then I can live inside their bodies. You just want them to eat. You don't you put me in some cake. Listen, let's just get your ashes roll them into a joint and have the children smoke you that's fine that Works that's interesting. Why don't we Vape you that might work? There we go. Actually, there's no moisture left. I don't know. I'm out of options. I'm just trying to get creative for you to help you with your passion for that and you know, like it's all good. I told Justin because our happiest place was Maui. I'm like we're going to both die and then be high maintenance and say take us to Maui and sprinkle Us in the ocean and you're paying for it children we go. We raised you your take us to Maui or else we will haunt. It you forever. This is what you owe us. You owe us. Oh my gosh, exactly. So on that note no transition possible. Yes. There's no way to transition this out. No, wait, give me give me what's coming out. Let me see what's coming up and I'll try to transition in the news now. I don't got to the era of branded engagements. I got nothing. Okay, Brandon funerals, that could be a thing. Okay. That's the best I got. Okay. So our in the news is also a bit of a story this week. So we're going we're doing something a little different here. So thank you to Nigel from flip chat and Tamara in our Facebook group. And of course the Atlantic for the story as well as every other news outlet has picked this up. So whatever you all know who you are. Yes, welcome to the air. Rev, Brendan engagements and influencers surprise adventure quotes was apparently pitch to Brands months before it even began. Now. I'm going to read this whole thing because it's just too I want to know actually what you think about it. Have you seen it yet Lisa. No, no, okay on Tuesday, Marissa Casey and I want to I so badly want to call her fucks, but it's boots fudge 501 Fuchs maybe Fuchs it does look like Fox. It's a few CHS. Yeah, so I kept wanting to say fox fox is funny Urdu Fox so or I'll color Marissa. Maybe if I was her I would change my middle name to gives no. Yeah, right not Casey Marissa anyways for sir. What is your name? I don't even know Marissa. No. Yeah. Yeah Marissa Casey fucks Marissa case. He gives no fucks. That's what we my name would be officially there you go on Tuesday Marissa a fashion influencer known on Instagram as whatever because I'm not giving her any more publicity obviously video that's not very unique that I shared a video to her hundred sixty thousand plus followers in it her boyfriend Gabriel professes his love and tells her that she's about to embark on an extraordinary Adventure. I have the most important question of my life to ask you. He says the problem is we're not really into Traditional weddings. It's not really our style but he adds he figured out how to provide something to experience enjoy and you know capture for the gram so we know it happened because you know, if it's not on the gram, we don't know what happened the video had originally come from Grossman's feed and then Marissa reposted it to her own. She added a caption what is happening the 48 hours since have been a whirlwind as a Marissa bar. But on a scavenger hunt orchestrated by Gabriel that took her from New York City to Montauk to Miami to Paris along the way she had collected to diamond and gold necklaces which fans can see from the package in came from the brand Jade trou. I don't know and documented her every move on Instagram between her posts Marissa has peppered in commentary from her fans to build excitement. There's a surprise engagement wedding. No one really knows. Was right now happening on her Instagram stories this Tuesday and I am completely invested in it reads a post. She shared from one Instagram user media Outlets, including people Elite Daily and the Daily Mail all covered the drama's it folded Gabriel Instagram story proposal to Marissa is what viral dreams are made of the Elite Daily headline reads is this most extravagant proposal ever wondered The Daily Mail Marissa has gained more than 20,000 followers since first posting about the proposal ha ha ha but as fans waited eagerly for each new surprise brand marketers couldn't believe it was all going to plan many knew exactly how the proposal would play out hour by hour. They knew the couple's engagement hashtag. They knew what hotels Marissa would be staying at where she would eat and when she did post to her feed they had seen it all before in a pitch deck. The viral proposal appears to be a meticulously planned marketing stunt before the proposal scavenger hunt ever kicked off marketers at various Brands and agencies had received a PDF outlining the future engagement in the context of potential sponsorship. The multi-day stunt would be a one-of-a-kind proposal experience for a one-of-a-kind female ambition assist the deck which was obtained by what yeah. Ambition assist yeah, it sounds like exhibitionist but like it's weird. That's a better lot of ambition. That's a weird word. Yeah the deck which was obtained by the Atlantic reads this summer Marissa of and her Instagram will be pulled into a surprise Adventure created by the center of her life Gabriel he why would go ahead and say that the center of her life is Instagram not husband exactly. He will remove. We asked her to take an unexpected and Sentimental Journey to with him a journey that will n be encompassing encompassing many filling your stops along the way that offer their own unique gifts were pleased to offer your brand the opportunity to align with this momentous occasion and the Beautiful cities. She will be visiting along the way. Wow, the deck features private photos of Marissa and Gabriel a various at various destinations. Along with a full biography of Marissa and a summary of her metrics. It gives an overview of her blog and a full page of background information on the couple's relationship Marissa and Gabriel did not respond immediately to requests for comment most important the deck also contains an itinerary detailing how the proposal will proceed including when and what Marissa will post a video announcement Instagram Journey long form video kickoff post reads the description for Tuesday morning and Marissa Delivered Gurney's Resort breakfast check out Instagram short film next post like it was just so laid out. It was crazy Marissa so far there have been only minor discrepancies between the pitch deck and merces posts on Tuesday night. She and her friends dined at Scarpetta Beach rather than the Crow's Nest as originally noted in the deck. She also did an Packing post as opposed to a packing one. Well, you know Rebecca engagements don't always go as planned. So exactly and maybe the sponsorship changed. So, you know, they have to change it after nearly two days of Marissa's posts word about the deck began to spread late Wednesday night Marissa's friend Alicia Blaine Evans took control of merces phone and posted a story on Instagram to without any rumors that the proposal was a setup in it. She describes the deck as a logistical plan created with Gabriel and a few other merces friends. I'm sorry. What do you think a setup is its setting things up? That's exactly what a pitch deck is people but yeah stupidest thing I've ever heard. So I'm stealing Marissa's phone for the next God knows how long Evans says in the post and we're going to get through this but if the deck is simply a plan, it's a weird one the PDF not Is expertly designed but also directly solicits brand Partnerships and was sent to marketers under the guise of a possible sponsorship. It's unclear whether Marissa and Gabriel ever did receive sponsorship for the proposal Marissa has tagged numerous brands in her post office men walk in has especially that in re jewelry. Give me a break but none contain an advertising disclosure Bryan Peterson and advertising executive who saw the deck himself. Balks at the suggestion that Marissa was unaware of the contents either her fiance has been intimately involved in every single aspect of her career her business and influencer marketing career and knows every detail of her influencer Partnerships, or she has had some input in that pitch deck. Yeah, like he couldn't go and Pitch to competitors. So you have to know what's going on and who she's been talking to that's right garbage. Just wait till you hear who she worked for there's no way a Potential fiancé would know how to put together a pitch Deck with that detail influencers relationships with brands are precious and many often vet potential sponsorships with clients. The notion that someone else would be pitching a detailed posting schedule for horses feed for money without her knowledge is a stretch brands also like to assert control over sponsored content and potential Partnerships. This is so true you guys so they would be unlikely to broker a deal without the subjects consent. Ain't exactly. Yes. Marissa herself is the director of brand Partnerships a goop. What's goop? Oh my God, Lisa. Goop Gwyneth Gwyneth Paltrow's company. I don't know what that is. What does she do? What is it? What does it do? It's not brand company. Like it's they promote different brands and shit. I did huge thing amongst. Moms and stuff like that. Oh, well, I'm big like shit. It's a big fucking company now. Anyways, I'm not with it her hip. I don't know. She's the director of brand Partnerships. Oh for God's sake. Yeah, whatever knows a surprise em, so she is likely aware of such of how such details work Gabriel. Marissa's soon-to-be fiance reached out on Thursday afternoon and was adamant that Marissa has no knowledge of the deck or in the imminent proposal. He said it was actually Evans a social media marketer who has done the work for Michael Kors and Audi who put the deck together and suggested reaching out to Brandt's Gabriel told Evans about his plans for the scavenger hunt and Evans knowing which brands Marissa regular works with help Mastermind the Partnerships according to Gabriel the trio received no direct payment for versus posts. In fact, he said most brands didn't even respond almost all the ones that did were companies that Marissa already had a good working relationship with such as flywheel which put on a free private class and clothing designer Love Shack fancy, which sent Marissa some free dresses. They did get stuff. The point is they did get stuff and that they All this together the only major new partnership development from The Proposal came after Evans got in touch with flytographer it provided free three photographs through sorry three photographers for free Gabriel also received a hefty discount on the Jade the jade jewelry. He gave Marissa, but Marissa has been friends with the Jeweler for a long time and regularly receives discounts on her designs anyways. On and on and on and on and on and on and on right there's still so much more people. Some people are pissed. Some people are okay with it. Most of all the people that are pissed they're saying what's crazy to me is the nature of creating a pitch deck for your engagement. What is the price where you'd brand your engagement and sell it away? It's such a special moment in your life. What is the price that makes it worth it? It's weird that they're at a point right now and Our where that's a question wait. So you're asking me what my price would be to Brand my engagement and get away. Well, I'm curious what listen any right Rebecca right now. I'm thinking 20 bucks and to talk about gift card like that that I could really I'm kind of hungry. I'm a Taco Bell in your lunch. Yeah, it's going to involve Taco Bell. Yeah, so I did look into this and he apparently spent close to $1,000 for this engagement. Oh get fucked. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, there's more to the article you guys can go ready yourselves, but I just wanted to add apparently he had said he asked her boss, right which I don't know who that one is altro. Nope not it would be she's way up there but he had asked merces boss and she was behind it and okay with it now. According to the New York Times while we're happy for Marissa The Proposal is only associated with her personal brand and entirely separate from goop said narara Brown senior vice president of communications at group in an email statement Marissa never received formal approval from group for this. We have opened an internal review into this to see what happened. But we do know that she did not go through the proper channels for any such request and her whole just like her whole bio now no longer contains goop in it yikes. So did he get permission or not? Well, there's an internal investigation so I don't know, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I think I think what happened was this all backfired and he's trying to say she had nothing to do with it. Mmm. You know what? Yeah, I think he would have said she has nothing to do with it anyway, because people think it takes the romance out which it does. Totally does but I just it's so crazy. I think we also live in a different world. Now, let's be honest. They don't give a shit things have changed influencers are kind of a big deal now which blows my mind it blows my mind because if you look at any influencers my kids even tell me oh my God, they're doing their live streaming having their baby blah blah blah, and I'm like what? And then they promote these different products through it. Like it just blows my mind. It's I don't I feel like everything is on display and it's like you've hit a new level. There's nothing wrong with making money, but you hit a new you know, new level of sell out, you know, you've achieved the goal of Sully. Yeah. I don't know. It just sponsorships are fine. We're I think we're walking a fine line now in life. Like where what what what is sacred like what is private? I don't know what's private anymore. I don't think a lot of people give a fuck anymore, you know, and I think we're just we just have too much coming at us visually. It's true. It's true. You know, I think it's smart. I think you know like it's a new way of advertising. In stuff like that. I'm very curious on The Advertiser side or the the brand side. How much return they're seeing. I don't think you really see. That's the problem is the ROI. The return on investment is so hard to measure when your way of dealing with brand awareness after the fact. I'm very curious to know what their return what it's hard to it's hard to measure those brands that she promoted for this engagement. Are they They getting any backlash for this now. I see what you're saying. Yeah, right or or did it pay off? Like I'm so curious and I wish I could know the answer to that and I don't think anybody's gonna ever tell us anything that can barely know unless you have a discount code that gets used. It's hard to track. Yeah. Yeah, but well that was interesting. So thanks for that. Yes. So if you guys would you know do something like I want to know if you guys would do something like that how much money what would your price be again? 20 bucks? Taco Bell gift card, that would be my price. What would you settle for Rebecca? I'm a total sellout. You could just say my name on the radio and I'm okay. Say my name in The New York Times and we're back as a media whore everybody. There we go as photographers. I don't know how many times you showed up to a wedding Rebecca, but there would be like missing ties. I don't know suit jackets to be the wrong size always. There's always a mishap with someone suit and we have a new sponsor. Answer generation tux who have solved these problems, you know, you have everybody running around like crazy picking up the suits before the wedding day. You got guys flying in inevitably there is a problem with the suit with generation. 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Hey, Rebecca and Lisa. I just found your podcast by a recommendation from a friend who is equally as obsessed at listening to the shit shows that weddings can be I must admit as a 22 year-old Alum of a huge rorty dating a 22 year old Alum of a huge fraternity weddings surround us. We've been together for two years and people constantly ask when he will pop the question. I always Respond, it's more important for me to have a Juris doctorate than a wedding license. I'm in law school. I booked congrat congrat is awesome. I boast often and when my mom annoys the shit out of me that I am going to elope just me my future husband my precious angel doggo our immediate families and a kick-ass photographer in a devastatingly beautiful place girls got her priorities straight. Hello and Kawasaki. Me too. Everyone thinks I'm nuts and this will not happen. But that's okay. The joy of eloping is that them and their opinions won't be there. Anyways on to the story names have been changed. I have so so many from just this wedding but I'll start with one my aunt on my mom's side. Mandy got married five years ago and asked me to be her maid of honor. I love her but a senior in high school was an interesting choice. We're very close and she is easily my best friend in the world. Old so I was overjoyed to do the job. My mom her big sister was matron of honor. So I had helped don't worry Mandy made the decision to just have family in her bridal party as not to offend any friends of hers. This was awesome. And honestly a really great idea my cousin. Annie is my aunt on my dad's sides daughter. We're getting to be Lisa problematic making her Owing to my Aunt Mandy. However, our entire family is very close were Spanish So my aunt has always considered Annie her knees to Annie called when she found out my aunt was engaged and asked immediately to be a bridesmaid red flag. Number one. That's weird. I wouldn't ask. No that's like very presumptuous. You can't really do that. Yeah red flag. Number one my aunt was like, um and just didn't respond months later. My now uncle decided to add. Groomsmen So my aunt caved and added an e to the wedding party to which she enthusiastically said. Yes. Mandy ask me and my sister to sing a song at the wedding. My sister is trained in Opera. I'm trained in jazz and musical theater. Annie and my other cousin Autumn both have nice voices as well. So Annie feeling left out asked my aunt to sing too red flag number two, my aunt was delighted by having all her nieces sing and thought it would be a good idea spoiler. It was actually beautiful and everyone loved it. No good. We sang Adele's version of Make You Feel My Love Annie took the liberty of splitting the parts giving herself the most to sing. I included the At the end so that you can see it. I Shrugged it off as I had more to do as maid of honor and a song was at the bottom of my list the day comes and because I am a self-taught makeup artist my aunt asked me to do the makeup as my gift to them that day alone. I did 12 people's makeup including mine and my aunt Mandy's that's wild by the way 12 people. That's just what yeah any was obnoxious about the makeup she Demanded to go first was ridiculously specific about how to do her makeup, even though she literally doesn't know how to do it insisted on looking at it. Every time I did anything making the process eight times longer and the most obnoxious thing was that she insisted we practice the damn song every five minutes. She wasn't doing anything but I on the other hand was busy doing everyone's makeup. So to ask me to leave the room every five minutes wasn't an option. She complained to the wedding planner that I hadn't Practiced and that I was bringing the song Down The Wedding Planner was worried it would ruin the wedding and insisted we practice in front of the entire party to make sure it was good. It was fine. So the made up so the makeup crisis was averted. We finished getting ready on time and headed to the venue. We went to the bridal suite and my cousin insisted we go outside to practice again in hindsight. She was probably hyper focused on this because it was the only thing she had to do that day other than walk in a straight line and stand but either way it was obnoxious. Listen don't assume that's easy for a lot of people. Yeah, people are klutzes. They can fall walking in a straight line in heels can be a daunting task. I finished touching up my aunt's makeup and went to practice while we practiced she went flat several times. It sounded horrible. I told her Annie your flat and it sounds bad. Oh, these were apparently yeah, we call here in the South fighting words, and he was super offended and began to yell at me saying that I was a bad singer. I didn't have perfect pitch that I was going to ruin the wedding and that I am always jealous of her. Talent I was like, whoa, bitch not today and just walked away. She then runs after me yelling that we had to practice. I was like we either practice correctly or I'm not doing it you're flat. She then and I can't make this up starts screams singing her part employees of the venue were looking at her like she was crazy guests were coming in downstairs. So I was like, listen, you need to stop screaming people are coming in and I don't want Mandy to know we're fighting. This only made her sing louder. I told her again to shut up and my sister and other cousin agreed. She just kept getting louder and screaming how talented she was. I finally snapped and yelled back be quiet or I'm going to slap you she started to open her mouth to sing and before a flat ass note left her lips. I smacked her Square across the face cool violence is funny. Everyone was in disbelief for a second and then she lunged at me. I was trying to make sure that she didn't fuck up my hair or dress. It was like a weird fight where I lean back and just through blind punches as that sweet a the slap fight thing you lean back and just slap. Yes, my mom and her mom got involved broke up the fight yelled at us to stop and ask the damage. I'm assuming that was supposed to be assessed asked. The damage is funnier though assess the damage. She had a cut lip and a red handprint on her face. Could you just imagine the outline of a hand my God? That's great. That's great. I was fine. Of course. I'm like five inches taller. We had to rush to fix everything as Mandy was being told by the planner that there was an altercation. We walked into the suite and pretended everything was fine and that we had no What the planner was talking about? We then practiced one more time. And this time we were perfectly on key. It's like she slapped her back into key. Yeah looking back. This isn't my proudest moment, but it's shockingly wasn't the biggest disaster of the day Mandy never found out and to this day still doesn't know why Annie was scream singing and then all of a sudden just stopped the song was beautiful. I'll link it below if you want to see I want to see if the handprints Dylan her damn face me and my cousin were right next to each other. I'm in the blue. You would never know. I almost killed my cousin only 30 minutes before love the podcast and you both haha great story. Thank you so much for listening and to your friend for recommending us. That's the best way for disguise recommend us to a friend. That is what we love love is great. And I've never actually had a story where someone admitted to slapping someone else. Yeah, like we don't we usually hear about other people, you know, people don't typically people witnessing dish on themselves, so, For dishing on yourself. That was a lot of fun and your cousin and your cousin before we go on to our next story. I want to take a real quick moment to thank our new patreon members this week. Yeah. So thank you to Amanda. Rebecca K Rebecca Pete. Oh, hey. Yeah, I could pee. There's to Rebecca's in a row. Oh Bethany tea and Kaylee be they went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get additional episodes. As for three bucks a month and it's like so much extra content up there now, it's wild and crazy. So once you there's a shit so much if you binge all these episodes and you want more head over on to patreon.com secret life of weddings to support the show and just so I don't forget because I would die if I forgot again that big thank you to Charlotte Solomon our producer for this week shows if you want to be a producer to head on over and support us over there. Yeah. Thanks guys. Yay. So just a heads up guys this upcoming story may be triggering if you have any issues with pedophilia or child abuse, especially to do with teachers. So it's not like an extreme story, but we just want to be sensitive to anyone who might have those those issues. Absolutely. Okay, our next sinner story comes from Rachel. That's not her real name fake Rachel. Okay. Yes. Hi Lisa Rebecca. I found your podcast because I wanted to listen to crazy and drama-filled stories while I was doing a project for my mom. So when I found your channel, I was totally huh. Now she found us on YouTube. Oh, well, you found us. Yeah here. Yeah, I even downloaded a few chapters to Into while I went to the pool because my drama llama was starving I had to put an end to that quickly since I couldn't swim very well while I was laughing every few minutes and I didn't want to drive a good way to die. Ha ha ha. I know I'm late to this. But I wanted to comment on the asking for money as a gift issue. I don't think there was a question about it until I heard it in your episodes The Giving objects as wedding gifts thing. NG is considered something old-fashioned that happened during our parents time. I do not recall ever going to a wedding that didn't have cash as a wedding gift. So to me giving money as a gift is totally normal and expected. Oh, yeah, but there's any way afferents between expecting it and it being the norm and asking and writing for it. I'm okay with asking for I know you are anybody forgot in case anybody forgot my mom raised me to be like that's incredibly rude. You can't put it in on writing, but you can you know, send word through the family to be Going to create a stamp and it's going to say Rebecca approves me asking you for cash and you can just stamp it onto your invitees. Why don't you just make a stamp that says send money now, I think a little more to the point Kersey Rebecca from Secret Life of weddings. Anyway, while I binge listen to all the stories, I was saddened that I had nothing to share until recently. I don't know if you could use this story since it isn't about the wedding itself, but it is about the Scandal that led them to getting married. Well, it's all it's all fair game for us. The story didn't come to mind quickly because it wasn't a wedding I attended but it was such a huge deal that everyone and their dog or cat. If you're Lisa you about it shortly afterwards names have been changed in order to protect myself since the story. I'm about to tell you will be recognized immediately. Should any of my other X classmates listen to it, and I don't want any angry phone calls later, but feel free to Change the names if you think there are better ones can send us holy race emails those follow-ups if that's something that you guys want to do in order to get the whole picture of some backstories needed in school. The music teacher didn't last long. They were only hired for about a year or two and they left afterwards. The music teacher was also in charge of the school choir when we were around the sixth grade. Mr. Pedophile was hired mr. Pedophile. He was the youngest teacher in the school and he was liked immediately by everyone since he was funny and charismatic. He made learning fun and took the school choir from singing Mary had a little lamb type songs to Mozart and had connections to an orchestra which collaborated with the school and played for the choir in some events. Needless to say the head of the school loved him and did whatever it took so that he didn't quit during class. He was usually talk with us and tell us about his goals in life. We were curious. About his relationship status. I would ask him about it. Mr. Pedo told us he was single since he was waiting for the perfect girl, but he made something very clear to us. He grew up with an ex-military father in a strict household and because of it has some strict rules for his future wife one. If she was even five minutes late for the wedding. He'd leave he wouldn't marry a bride who was late to he would only have well, he doesn't know many women them because everyone almost all women are like for some Justin would have left me 20 times over. I think I was like 45 minutes late. Yeah. I know Wedding Date it always runs late. So chill buddy Nichols to he would only have one child. Okay, three the child had to be a boy. Oh get fucked. Yeah. What do you do if it's a girl put it back? What the fuck? Yeah, I know for he would be strict with the boy just as he had been disciplined by his father. As you know, you are such a success. Yeah, very simple and easy to follow rules, right? Please note the sarcasm getting we got it. Anyway during our final years in high school. We noted that he was getting close to the popular girls group, especially to their leader. I'll call them the bitches. This a mean girl shit and the leader Heather ha ha ha. That's Sophie these tasks. The surprising thing is that Heather was the tamest of them all or so we thought she was mischievous when the teachers couldn't see her but relatively nice the rest were Bish's hence the name. It came to the principal's attention that mr. Pedo was getting close to them. But since she didn't want to upset him she just gave Him a slap on the wrist and called it a day all the worst the enablers, especially when it comes to child abuse and shit are the worst people in the world other than the actual abusers. Yeah next class. He told us that he had been called out on his closeness to the bitches and explained to us that he actually knew Heather since she was young because his parents had been friends with her parents for years, so I don't know about that buddy so that he was close. To her at school because of it and that was that and he was never called out again by anyone as far as I know. Well that's interesting that he would explain that to his class. That seems very unprofessional but our graduation came in with it seems like maybe he was setting it up. So please stop please don't tattle on me. If you see me close to them. I guess our graduation came and with it the news that mr. Pedo was fired. We were surprised since the principal babied him. To keep him happy soon after we knew the reason why. Heather was pregnant and mr. Pedo was the father and why God why no way the news had caused an uproar since she was 17 at this time. So a minor and he was like early 30s offer fall aside from the other small details that he was her teacher and he had known her since she was a child. Apparently. What happened was that on some holidays in her? Year, the two went on a trip and she got pregnant there. We don't know if her parents were told that she would be vacationing with her friends or if they actually knew she was with him. Wow. We think it's the former because no self-respecting parents would allow their underage daughter to go alone with her teacher on a holiday unless anyway are the parents from missing in plain sight. Yeah then oh my God. Yes worst. Yeah worst here. You go take my kid, it's fine. Yeah, that was so bad. Right. Anyway, they were forced to marry by their parents and his rules. They kind of went out the window since things went like this one. He wouldn't marry the bride if she was late if he moved from the altar before saying I do Heather's father was likely to kill him. Oh my God to he would only have one child. They currently have two. 3 the child had to be a boy. It was a girl good for he would be strict with the boy just as he was disciplined by his father with the child being a girl good luck with that. It's been around seven years since then and they are still married and have two children how I hope that is wedding ish or appropriate enough to make it into the show yowza. If it isn't then just know that I'm a Binger that absolutely loves the podcast and that I am a Tran of you both I have a question. Okay, you've earned it you've earned it. Yeah, so she wanted to know I'm currently in episode 93. I'm almost cut up, but I still wonder what happened to the YouTube updates. Do we still post a YouTube? No, I got lazy. Okay. Okay, we'll listen. So there's two things. First of all, I was like, I have no fucking clue. First of all the episodes used to Auto publish when we were with speakers are host. They would Auto publish to YouTube. I literally did no work to do that. It was like a button they when we moved to Anchor that it's like anchor had different functionality and benefits than speaker did and it just was the right choice at this for us at the point. It didn't have that was the one thing it didn't have so we don't publish the episodes to YouTube anymore automatically. Therefore they don't go up there because it's a lot more work as far as the stories. They were a fuck ton of work and it just took so many hours to create the the video content that it just got to be too much for me. So and Rebecca to so that's why we don't do as much on YouTube anymore. It might happen again, who knows if a car comes out with this functionality? I have requested to our account manager as cool. They should have they should and will see right. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah, but thank you for finding us on there. That's amazing. I'm so glad to have you you know, yeah, and I wanted to put that question in there just because in case anybody else had that cough solutely now we've covered it. Anyway, I thank you both for the stories. They have made my days so much better when I'm done catching up. I'm going over to patreon as the drama llama needs food. Oh, that's amazing. I love Rachel. It's not my real name so you can have an awesome. Thank you Rachel. That was fabulous being engaged is so exciting but planning a wedding is so stressful. Don't let your big day. Cause unnecessary Financial worries ready to take your relationship to the next level with the twine app saving money towards your financial goals. Just got easier save with a cash savings account or invest in a portfolio customized for you based on your needs and with automatic deposits from your bank to twine you can It forget it and save up without even trying no more temptation to spend that extra money. 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That's the bigger question. That's a I think I was in a mediation where it took the couple an hour and a half to split their personal property retirement accounts real property and the custody of their six-month-old son. The rest of the day about four hours was spent arguing about how to split the time with the dog can't they just put as agreed upon by the parties, but the dog had a strict calendar to schedule working out ha Holidays and strict pickup drop-off times. I was ashamed to be part of that unbelievable display. Well, we can tell what part of their life was planned and what part wasn't am. I right? Wow, it's so crazy and last one here marriage proposal from wife's new boyfriend while he was being questioned during her divorce proceedings classy yikes. She's just waiting to get back on that training. Yes, because now is the time Time to do that like really not a good idea can't even so Rebecca. I'm an idiot need to hear about how Pride Parade was in Toronto. Pride was awesome. So for those who don't know or didn't listen to us last week are new this week. The Gay Pride Parade happens every year in Toronto and it is colorful and beautiful and accepting and fabulous and just a really cool experience to have a home in our city and I think it gets bigger every year and Rebecca and her daughter's went down and wore special t-shirts. So I'm dying to hear about how it all was. It was great. It was I've never been right. So I think I didn't know what to expect but you know, you kind of have it in your head what to expect but I guess you don't really know what to expect. So anyways, The Pride was super long. I did not expect that what is which is totally fine. Just those very colorful and beautiful and everything but the actual length of the parade itself. Yeah. How long is it ended up we Right before it ended. So we were standing there probably two and a half three hours. Yeah, something like that. You're going to selling it was eight hours long. No, but it was super long. It just felt super long. But anyway, probably because it was hot. We're in the sun, you know, like it still gets to be a long day. But anyway, I'm a I'm a total wuss when it comes to stuff like that. I would be like 10 minutes in and I'm gonna go get a beer and sit down. So I Okay, I was given some advice from our good Fozzie friend Kim and she said to me don't go down the streets, like don't go down to like vendors and stuff. Right and my for whatever reason it escaped my mind y not why does go down the street to vendors? Well, because it's a okay. So my my daughters are 16 and 14. Okay, right, so My 14 year old I'm not really like I'm okay with like everything right but she says you may not want her to see some of like the Kink stuff yet. Like because you know, she's for sure and yeah, I mean like let's he's my kid into Kink. I have nothing against it. I'm Pro whatever people want to do, right but she's still a kid. I was yeah. She's still a kid at the end of the day right anyways. So she had said not to and anyways escaped my mind for some reason and we had extra time so we went. anyways, so, of course I there's a lot to see there's a lot being seen a lot to take in including and I'm not I'm really not against anything right like you do you people we're not judging you can calm down. It's okay. We I'm really not know and I couldn't care less what it was just hard because I had my daughter with me and that That's something I want her to go. See on your learn on her own. He DSM with Mommy. It's not spiritually comfortable with her being with me. And seeing is just weird. Anyways, she hasn't seen in a movie with your parents. It's just not something that's on this to-do list. So, of course the second booth in is and I'm not trying to take away from the experience at I'm just I'm going I'm giving you a play-by-play how this all unfolded the second booth in was is it are they nudists? They're nudists straight? I don't know like your butt naked. Yeah, you're a nudist. Right? And I would love someone like I want to understand how that plays into the pride parade. I don't know but But anyways, it was all men. Did I tell you how many wings you were going to see? Which is fine. How many did you say did you count? Oh my God. I I've never seen so much dick. I told you I told you last week. I said you're gonna see so many wings, which is fine. It's kind but my daughter I don't know if she was uncomfortable seeing it or if she was uncomfortable because she Is with me and seeing it but she was very much. Okay, I'll see you at that age. It's like a weird little animal. You just don't want to go hear it. You're like, I'm just going to leave that over there. Yeah, and yeah, there's so much older right? She's 14. She's out of very tricky age already and then it's like you had these were much older gentleman. These were there yeah much older that's hard. That's a fine thing to negotiate right? Like that was a really weird. That was really and I don't need like it's It's a it was uncomfortable for me with her and for her to see that at that age. Like I just wasn't even legit ready for it's an illegitimate Civic question. Yeah, how is that legal? I don't know like why is it that's why I went. I want to understand how that plays into the whole Pride weekend because I don't because they that is it because it's a light restaurant. They were they were at the parade to like they're watching you know, which is I mean you do you but anyways Is it was just I think I was just shocked by it because there's so many children there. Yeah, so I thought I'd actually are there all ton of children. I don't even know. Yep. Yeah. Yep lots and I don't know and I'm not saying people shouldn't let the kids see naked people. I'm not saying that I'm not judging you for your parent or anything like that. I wasn't prepared for my daughter. Yeah, it surprised you a little bit to see that. Yeah, I did warn you so so I was like, oh right Kim Kim told me not to come down here. And so we went back to the parade route and we just kind of hovered around there and we saw lots of drag queens and it was so cool and great floats and people marching and of course Justin Trudeau was there and yeah everything else. It was super fun. My daughter was so happy. I started crying during the parade because As you know why it was so fucking amazing to see so much love and support in one place. I think the world gets just so ugly. Sometimes that and I've seen so much. I've seen hate against the lgbtq+ community and it fucking breaks my heart when I see hate but to see all that love in one place. It was the most amazing thing ever saying all in our support of all of our Ally friends all of our lgbtq Plus members of our community. Y'all need to come to Toronto during pride and experience ya self. Yes, because anyway and I'm sure it's like that at all the other pride and there are some differences aren't aware and I just think and my daughters were so happy to be there like they were just over the moon. They're like, this is so amazing and you know, it's just There's so much love. I can't even explain it. I just feel like you know, what fuck the bullshit man. No. Listen, I need to know did did love and be supportive you giving me hugs. No, I was finally free and willing to give hugs and no one took me up on it. That's okay. Okay, you know it just knowing that you were willing. I put it out there. R if anybody needed it I was there and you know, maybe I don't know if people still do it or not. But well I just I could never I did it because I wanted to do it and I did it because I couldn't bear the thought of anybody feeling like they don't have a mom to support them like a truly breaks my fucking heart. Well, we love you for it. And that is amazing. I would totally do that myself and we thank you, too. The folks that actually posted in our Facebook group and wrote us messages and just said that they really appreciated hearing about our support of your community and the lgbtq+ community and gay pride and everything and we just wanted to say thank you. We hear you. We love you. And yeah, thank you for saying that to us. It's nice. Sorry if it never came across before I know I thought we were pretty vocal about that stuff, but maybe we're not vocal enough. No, I think maybe we're not totally supportive. Fuck them, right? But next year I'd like to go and do cause it's a full weekend. I'd like to go to more events. Is it a parade on Old it's just a parade in one day. No, it's just that parade on the one day the last day but then the whole thing kicks off on a on the Friday and they do it's a whole weekend of events. Wow going on. Yeah, so it's pretty cool and they have like some pretty big names for drag queens and stuff, which is really neat. And you know, I told you before my daughters are obsessed with RuPaul's Drag Race. So yeah, I've watched some Seasons. I really enjoyed it. And I love the queen. They love them. I would love to see those guys or these ladies that whatever you whoever it is. I would love to see them. I'm a big fan of that show tonight. I fucking love that people were not even in the parade and they were full full makeup and everything. I don't know how they fucking pulled it off man. I because they must have been so hot pay me to do that on a hot day, but they looked so fucking Bilis, I loved it so much. It was amazing. And yeah, I just yeah, I just loved that. Yeah, it was you had to be there you really gotta be there. Like I think everybody has to you just gotta go and be there because you know what everyone deserves support and like everyone maybe maybe next year. I'll come out with you guys because I it's not something else and would be down to go to because he's just not an outwardly outgoing guy to go to a parade like it just would be the last thing. Thing on his list any parade, but I would love to experience that sometime. That would be really fun. So maybe I'll tag along with you guys next year because I don't have anybody to go with some and I love seeing all the dads would free dad hugs shirts on they had some too. Yeah, there's a lot of them and I thought that was amazing. So, you know what the end. I love telling us all the marching with the sign saying I'm proud of my son. I'm proud of my trans child. I'm proud like it was I was just like fucking right? like seriously, can we just make everybody come to this and just just feel the love man's bumps Goose Bumps had to tow your SLI. So awesome. Well, that is our message of love this week. Anyway, I'll shut up now. It's amazing. And you know what? That was so great. 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It's the most courageous thing in the world to ask for the thing. You most want that you're afraid of asking for I am so excited today because I'm chatting with someone that I have heard about for years. His name is Max rivers and he is also called the marriage mediator. Isn't that a great title? He's written books on.On the topic around communication and mediation and his last book is called loving conflict, which I think is a fantastic title. And that's really what we're going to chat about today to actually have a reframe around conflict. Right? Exactly. So do you want to dive in right there and just tell us a little bit because conflict is so huge with couples. A lot of couples comes Tantra actually because there's conflict going on. On in there trying to resolve it. So what that's well that's exactly why I chose mediation instead of therapy as the modality for doing healing with couples because I don't think couples have a psychological problem when they're having conflict. I think they have a conflict issue. And in this culture, we don't know how to deal with conflict. I mean look at what's going on in the west right now and politically if if somebody disagrees with you they become your enemy. Yeah, and that's especially better if you sleep But yeah, you want to go to war with the people that you're living with and so I was finishing up a computer career when I met my fiancé now wife and we I was looking for a new career and one that would solve this issue first. I was thinking of the world actually and then realizing the same thing was happening in our beds that was happening in the wide world. How could we expect politicians to deal with conflict if we can't do it with the person we love I love most in the world. Absolutely. And so I stumbled on to mediation and my fiance and I took a 20-hour training. So the concepts of doing conflict resolution are not that complicated because in 20 hours, you can become a professional mediator. The thing is we're not taught those skills. And what happened was her and my relationship our communication improved a thousand percent. Wow. Because all of those places where we had differences, we now could get the benefit of those differences instead of descending into conflict. Wow. I love that so conflict being just a problem to be solved you actually found benefit in it. Exactly and it turns out relationship is about difference, you know, there was a Seinfeld episode where he goes out to on a date with a woman and she orders cold cereal for dinner in a restaurant and he tells us Friend George the next morning. That's what I've been looking for all along. It's me and by the end of the week. They're so bored with each other. They don't even bother breaking up. You're not looking you're not looking for you you have you it's looking for other you're looking for the rest nice. And so no matter what your list is what your conscious mind thinks you're looking for. It turns out our unconscious is looking for the Fulfillment of the Of the universe to come into you to complete you and also to have what you do have be given in love to another partner. Yeah, so I saw a love this idea. It reminds me when I got married many years ago. I'm a fire. I'm a triple fire sign and I fell in love with the man is all water. I always do and when we got when we were doing our uniting ceremony, I bought a ball of fire with a candle. He bought a bowl of border and we exchange them. To honor that we're here to give our gifts to each other that we're different but that it can actually be a gift but we realize it's important that you see that the difference is is something you're attracted to and even something you need exactly and you can see that's a great metaphor because you can see if you work them together you could have warm water and tea and soup and if you don't do them together, you get steam. Yeah, right most couples are settling for steam. Yeah. Few skills. So the skill set that allows and I my wife and I were using together. We were in small claims court then as mediators and we were trying to teach that to the clients claims court most people know each other and it was hard to do that because the new model of mediator is a third party a neutral third party and most people don't have mediators in their relationship. We happen to have two in ours, but most people don't we were bemoaning that at in the lunchroom at the mediation place and somebody said you want to teach them NVC nonviolent communication. And so we studied that and at first it seemed like he was right that NBC is mediation skills, but for the two people that are involved in the conversation it turns out as you go into it though, it actually took us deeper into the cause of conflict. Aha, which is really where The way I like to do my all of my holistic healing I don't like plucking at the leaves. I want to go down all the way down to the root. Yeah, and it turns out according to Marshall Rosenberg who created and we see everything we do and everything. We say is an attempt to get our beautiful life-affirming positive intended needs met and if you consider that everything your partner is doing and saying Is about that and something that they do doesn't seem like it's about that instead of attacking them for not doing it. Right or if a need of yours goes unmet instead of attacking them for not meeting that need what you want to do is get curious about. So where is what is the Beautiful Life affirming heart's desire, which is what I call me. It's now, what is that heart's desire. Trying to fight feel what your partner's needs are or you trying to feel what your needs are or is it sometimes a bit about always a bit of both. In fact strangely. This is the advanced relationship is a skill. I teach there are two sets of needs in your relationship. Always always always. Yeah, and if only one of them is being represented half of the world is missing. I love that. Yeah, and so if getting your need met becomes all you're thinking about even if you succeeded that I mean some people can scare their Partners into saying like this is the message of anger. The message of anger is we're going to talk about my needs and only my needs right and if you can scare someone into saying yes, but you don't really want your partner to say yes to that want them to say well, yeah. I'm interested in your needs but my Need to get met simultaneously and that's that possible. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because sometimes to The Logical mind it looks like for example the need for space and the need for connection is a typical one that comes up in couples right one needs more security and the other one needs more freedom often the masculine ones more freedom, but not always and so then in The Logical brain, it's like well that's conflict of needs. How do we match both when they appear to be so vastly different? So yeah. Yeah, I'm sure you give it to me your worst for the beautiful thing Marshall did was he separated out strategies from needs? So the need is the desire that the heart has Freedom connection, whatever and what you'll notice about those words is they they are a description of the truth of you not the truth the truth of you and they don't refer to other people they refer to your truth. Strategies what so first. Let me say a little bit more about needs as a result of that. They're incredibly flexible. So for instance the need for nourishment can be Mastered by anything that human beings can digest. I mean you certainly going to have preferences about what it is you want to eat but there's a thousand different things that can meet your need for nourishment. Right? Another thing about needs. Is that other people don't cause them. Our needs are our needs are caused by the need of our system of our spirit and our of our physical system in order to function and flourish. So the people don't cause the purging owning our needs because I know that in relationship we kind of project them and make it someone else's responsibility or someone else's fault, right? Yeah. We need to just own our needs. Well, there are two sets of needs according. To my theory the there's autonomous needs okay, and there are relational needs and and autonomously it's you really need to meet yourself. Yeah, there are some that are both as well like security but it turns out that you need to meet yours first. So if I have a need for security if I'm feeling insecure in myself, I will end up feeling insecure in the relationship and there. To security that can come from being in relationship. But if my partner is really trying to convince me that the relationship is secure but I haven't done the autonomous part of security yet that person is going to be pouring their beautiful intention into a bucket with no bottom. So our needs refer to ourselves and we need to understand them and at the very least be able to communicate them as the beauty of our desire and not As what the partner is doing wrong now think couples often do is when they get in touch with a desire, they immediately go to what I call their sticky strategy the strategy that they would most prefer to meet that need and they communicate their need as a strategy. The strategies are important. They have the way we get our needs met their the action we take to get our needs met but they only exist to satisfy need so Let's say that I have a need for nourishment and my favorite strategy for that this pizza and I say to you want to go out for pizza. That's fine. If you say yes we go out for pizza. If you say no I need to give up pizza right away because we don't really understand what we're asking for. When we ask a question question is really three parts. The first part is I have a need the second part is I have a strategy I'd like to suggest but the Ian I'm really asking is would that strategy meet your need right? And when a person says no, they don't not asking you to explain better why this meets your need my own need they're saying it's not meeting a need of yours. What should you be doing getting curious about what this need is yeah, she dropped this strategy drop down to the need level. Okay. Well my need was for nourishment. Well my need was for for And I wanted to go out to a movie and there's one in like 20 minutes. So what should we do? That's the place where it seems like needs are in Conflict. Yeah, they're not this is what's true about that. This is what's true about you. Then the next step is co-creating a strategy that will meet both of your needs. Ha ha ha. That's nice. Yeah, now that may mean that you know, there's a piece of place right next to the movie theater. And so we'll go there while you're getting the tickets. I'll get a slice or whatever and we may have to do them. Sequentially one of us may have to park our needs or whatever. But what happens is couples if you are fighting you are fighting at the Strategic level. If you have conflict you're at the Strategic level. What's the answer to that? Should you shout at your partner? Should you call them names? Should you try? Force them into your way of thinking no, you drop your strategies float down to the need level and have a needs based negotiation. Oh, that's so fantastic. I love it. What if you don't know what your needs are like, it's easy with pizza. Okay, I need nourishment. But what about like, I don't know. Sometimes we want we have a strategy that we're really aware of and we and the need can be a little bit curious little bit, you know difficult to really pinpoint why we Why we have that strategy. Do you have a way to help people, you know get in I do I do so, yeah in a capitalist hierarchical culture. They prefer that we don't know what our needs are. It's much easier to sell and control someone who doesn't know what their needs are. If you know, you have a need for rest and your employer says I want you to stay for overtime. You're less likely to stay for overtime because you know, you have a need for rest your much harder to control and your much. Harder to sell to they can't keep selling Eugene's just by slightly changing the form when you know, you've only had a need to be closed and you already are satisfying that mean so I think that's some of the reason also well, that's some of the reason why needs are hard for us to know. We're not taught them. it's actually necessary that you be able to name your needs all the time, but there are certain needs that show up for us in a form which is really detrimental to relationship and society and your own well-being and Marshall talked a little bit about this some of our needs we express as what he called moral judgments of the other person when you communicate your need as a judgment of the other person, although you are Focused on the trying to get this dissatisfaction off of you when you're on the receiving end of a judgment. It feels like an attack because it yeah. Yeah and you give an example of that excess sounds really interesting and I'm thinking how often couples have a judgment about one another I'm thinking of the typical you never take the garbage out or something like that and a tax into a launch and its really useless to get the need met, right? Right. Yeah, how would that be reframe? How would you yeah move that from your attack your me a judgment. Exactly. So the example you gave is really interesting too because it illustrates a point. I want to make what I think Marshall talked about how judgments are what he called tragic expressions of unmet needs tragic because if you express your needs as a judgment, you don't get it met you get conflict. Yeah. It doesn't hear in your attack what it is you're wanting the interesting thing about a judgment that I figured out over the years is that they tend to be the opposite of what it is. We're wanting. This is ID account with forbidden needs. There are a certain pile of needs that each of us have that went unmet so consistently When We Were Young or an earlier relationships that we've come to believe that they're forbidden to us, right and if they're forbidden to communicate Kate but you have the need and you have to get it out. What should you do to this psyche and it's kind of wild artistic crazy way that it handles things. It makes you say the opposite. So if I'm wanting warmth from you and intimacy, what I'll say to you is you and I first met you you seem like a really warm person, but you're kind of a cold fish, aren't you write that in that well and so by you by Form in which we communicate our beautiful needs we create conflict violence and re-create our family of origin in what was designed to be the situation where we healed that hmm, and it's the exact opposite of what it is. We're trying to we deeply deeply want to achieve maybe we're almost so afraid of not getting our needs but met that we kind of jeopardize it, you know, like sometimes we just recreate what we expect to find and you know and end up with that instead of breaking through it. You can watch we because we don't see people modeling pushing through their Terror and it is each of these little forbid needs is kind of candy coated with a coating of Terror. Yeah, and when you touch into it, the first thing it discharges is this gas into the air of Terror and it was the most courageous thing in the world to Ask for the thing you most want that you're afraid of asking for and unfortunately or fortunately it turns out that's the way you heal a forbidden need three successful requests for a forbidden need from your partner, which is met with a successful. Yes. The Forbidden need begins to dissolve. Wow, that's fantastic. So three successful meats and you could you could make that really conscious. Don't even say you know beloved as a child. This meat need was never met. Would you be willing to meet it for me, you know just saw that I start to heal that wound. You could kind of do that conscious exactly and in fact, yeah. In fact, that's what I do in the first couple of sessions with couples is identify their forbidden needs and what's because they were unconscious phenomenon. It's interesting at the end of like a session where I've talked a lot about a person's forbid needs often when they have them kind of hand on the Order leave they say no. I have the feeling we talked about something really important, but I can't remember what it is only because that's the relationship between conscious and the unconscious and I say it's okay. I stored that information in the hard drive, which is your partner. That's and that's why doing this work as couples is so perfect because first of all, they're designed to heal your forbidden needs second of all, they're the perfect projection for you to do. It's so that we can find out what your forbidden needs are the opposite of the judgment and third of all, they're the ones who can know what you're forbidden needs are and so when you either judge or are courageous enough to ask they can know that this is the place to trade really tenderly in this relationship and that mean even if it's a little inconvenient in that moment to begin the healing process. Yeah, right that this is the greatest gift we can give to the one that we love is to be Conscious of their forbidden needs and to know that that's an edge for them and you know because it's all so I assume as they listen to you. This is also the point where we get really triggered right? It's like you blow up really fast because this subconscious mind feel just got trodden on and you know, it's like there's a lot of charge right behind some of these things but that's another way to tell about a forbidden need because the charge will not be be equal to the situation. The situation will be light and the charge will be heavy that happens. That's a forbidden need that just blew up. So I'm not that crazy about using the word trigger because in this culture it has kind of a there's nothing I can do about that or it's going to be very hard to deal with that in my model you just time-traveled into the past and you're screaming at your mother and but my wife says that when I go into it In need she sees it in my eyes. She's very loving and gentle or sometimes leaves and I really going at it and she'll cut show come back and see the first thing she does is look in my eyes and she'll say oh you're back. Ah, so really does not true. Thanks for couples hard to know when you're when you're looking what I do use the word trigger, but I use it with transformation. Because I think it's one of the most useful things to learn about ourselves. Yeah, and I actually think of we work with those areas. That's where we can build trust. I believe you're saying the same thing that the very things was the biggest conflict in the worst triggers are actually the places that are that are calling us in and if we know how to go into them, we could be best trust and the most solid relationship ever rates. So it's not it shouldn't have these things. It's just that we need to know the tools to work with them to turn them around and to and to liberate. Love's that's trapped inside of them. Yeah. So I'm okay to say I am noticing I'm triggered the one I don't like is you just triggered me. Yeah, totally but because I'm a real self-responsibility freak because that's really work can get done. Yeah, so there's some other ways that you can notice that they're triggered was one of the things that you said always and never are part of the communication of a forbidden neat. Aha. So please do this and you never do that. It's Immediately the partner should switch out of the the content about strategy and shift down to oh, we've got a forbidden need here. Hmm, that's not talking to you. It's like your partner goes you never put the garbage out. That was my thing. Right? And then the other one instead of arguing about. Yes. I did it last Tuesday today. I think we're here. Let's see what that is. Right just shifts into a whole other level. Yeah. I mean the way I would actually use sponsored is I'm hearing that you're wanting more support. Is that right? So you do what we call make in guests and what's wonderful about making needs guests is my recommendation is that you try to make it slightly wrong. Oh really contribute needs the goal. The goal is for them to come to identify them consciously. So I had a client. That was I think about it and they'll go actually know what I really need is this that's right. See when you make a guess what they need to do is go inside and check to see if it's true. And that's exactly what we want them to do. We want them to go inside which is why I call my work embodied in VC. I think that Marshall was so embody. He didn't bother talking about the D piece of it but most of the rest of us when we get triggered we go flying up into our heads and start talking about our beliefs and our limiting beliefs and are upset and all of that stuff and that's all at the Strategic level or the Judgment level which are way up here. What I want to do and what I do is as a mediator is I make feeling and needs guesses from people who are about to get triggered or just in the beginning stages of getting triggered so that because they like just about to launch out their attack and I go so I'm wondering if what you're feeling is this and you I'm an NLP practitioner also, so I'll watch their eyes drop down as they look into their body trying to figure out what it is. They're feeling I've got them right where I want them in their own truth. Yeah. Yeah, so instead of going into projections and whatever they start to have a look at what's really important. What's really Underneath It All exactly so and You think it's therefore possible for just one person and a couple the you know, something that comes up that I hear from a lot of people I work with especially I do women's Retreats and they'll do all this work and they're like, but how am I going to go back to my husband? He doesn't want to do workshops. His you think it's possible for one person in the relationship to transform it or do you think it's just not a good idea to have a relationship that's like that. Well, first of all, I think if you're if you too Tune in to some of your forbidden needs wherever you are. You need to work that cuz that's your material. And if if one person if two people are tangoing and one person stops tangoing, at least you can't complain that we're tangling all the time together doesn't guarantee. The other person is going to stop dancing and it's I mean the reason I do couples work because I believe that that's the an amazing configuration for doing Co healing E of this stuff so the answer is if you are the only one working do your work. You know, I've created a very low bar on the work that I do. My first session is guaranteed. There's no charge of either party says this wasn't any good. So you're wasting is an hour and a half. And so I've had a lot of people drag their Partners in and how could their Partners resist because there's no charge and I go after that partner the whole session getting their needs met because that's really what this is about, right? They're expecting me to join with their partner and gang up on them. And what I'm going to be doing is trying to satisfy their needs because that's the source of all of our satisfaction. Yeah. Yeah. So actually they're going to want to come back for more because finally someone's hearing their deep needs and that fulfillment is such a natural longing for us as humans, isn't it? It's like fulfillment is peace. Yeah, so at the end. Of the guaranteed session. I say I stopped five minutes early and I say, okay. So this is a guaranteed session. Did this have any value and the one who was dragged in always speaks up first. Yeah. This was great. That's fantastic. I love it think of all the energy psychic energy you using fighting or walking on eggs or whatever it is. You're doing while you're in the field of battle. Imagine what it would be like to live in what Marshall called the field of non. Judgment where I mean, I've been in a relationship for 15 years and I haven't been wrong in 15 years. That's a great line. There are there are times when I haven't met her need and she communicates her desire but you know in most relationships, that would be me being bad or wrong. Yeah, majan being never being bad or wrong ever again. Yes, love and them never be wrong for you. Yeah, nice so want for a couple said something I so want I know. Really on the same page here. I also love to work with couples and I love seeing when conflict can be dropped and love can break through because we have the potential that coupledom can be the greatest source of choice in our lives. Then it can also be a battle zone for years and years on end. So it's it's just wonderful to hear your words music to my ears. Well, thank you so much for sharing all of this incredible. Insightful tips for a couple's it's really profound and I think it's going to help a lot of listeners who are listening to this. Yeah, I hope so so they can go to my website and watch the video of clients make an appointment with me. I do all my appointments over the Internet. Most of my appointments are worldwide super and if you're a Healer and you work with couples on my website, you can look into the training that I'm doing. I'm going to be teaching people how to This into the process that you're already doing. So if couples going to conflict instead of spending a lot of time dealing with that because I only work the maximum of six sessions with couples and usually I'm done in 3, so this will be a very fast way it is just a hundred and eighty degrees just turn them around from conflict back into the return of effortless love a fantastic. I hope to join you on your training. I think it would be a great piece to add into all of my potential work. Glad that you're also working with Tantra and fusing it all together. It's just what the world needs. Yeah. Thank you so much for everything. You've said and for all the work that you do in the world. I will be posting all the links for everybody so they can find you great. This is fun. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Bye.

How to deal with conflict in your relationship? For many people, arguing takes the fun out of being in a relationship, and can even be the cause for the whole relationship to fail. Marriage Meditator, Max Rivers, explains that although conflict can ruin relationships, it also can actually take your relationship deeper. You simply need to know how to transform it. His explanation is that we argue on one level, but resolve on another. Trying to resolve an issue at the level at which is causes conflict is actually not going to work. Because we need to get underneath into the underlying issues. Once a couple know how to navigate to the underlying layers, then the exact same issue can actually open both of your hearts to deeper levels of compassion and understanding. Together you can start to build trust instead of torment. In this interview, Max shares the steps to take to make this shift. * How arguments can be retreated over and over again because we are at the wrong level for resolving it. * How to access that deeper level and communicate from there. * Non Violent Communication taken a step farther, into understanding the mystery of forbidden needs. * How we attract the very person who can trigger us, and why. How to let those triggers take us deeper into self-understanding. * The secret of how never to be "wrong" in your relationship. * How to build a relationship that fulfills both people. NOTE: There are a couple of small audio delays due to failing internet, however the information is still clear.

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It was barbecue chicken. No, she beat the brakes off. Thoughts on the new crop Cami real quick, you know Shrine still just doing her thing. Like did the fake fan like I am very ready to be. You're not still got some more left in the tank. Just give me your thoughts off a little darker as I say, it's pretty fun. Tomorrow was like one too. What uh, what you doing? It's time for gaming and shows man. I was like man, I hit it on the head like that. Dang. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love you. Oh, Cherie. I love it. I love love love any he'll 101 stuff like the filling them up at to count. It's that I love that in the boxes just love that stuff. And so I let the submission finishers cool man. I just I don't know who I want to CEO sure I face next because I want to see her just beat everybody. I love her. I was asking you all fair. I should both you gentlemen was kind of different things and about the Undisputed here, but where do you CEO what Co ceiling Jack he Main Event star. I think she's put the rocket. I think she's great. I don't know about as a face for I guess I said before she was under my radar completely. There's basically two bro, but as soon as she turned heel man done just yeah, she she could be on the main roster feuding with Becky Lynch. And I'd say that's right. What say you I can't say that only because we're seeing what happened with Jessica Nakamura with the language barrier. So she had to tell to be Main Event. No problem. But without that mouthpiece right now, I'm a brca her definitely in the mix, but I wouldn't see your main Eventing quite yet chat would say you will come back to it. I want to ask the chat and we'll go double bagging Jack just check to see what they say Chad. What do you say about the ceiling of EO sure I where do you think she could be worse to her highest highest that she can go and where would you like to see her go? But with that being said, we got a quick peek done interviewed the Bruiser wait, you know does what he does man become nice little promo talking about all kinds of things about his feelings and emotions man. Let's be done with my favorite wrestlers in the business. Um, there's not much to talk about but I just wanted to get your thoughts on what do you want to see? I'm were kids you see him. Is it NXT UK forever? Is it NXT? Is it because you're about to move to USA is a WWE. What? Where do you see him? Like, you know Raw SmackDown? What do you see Pete Dunn has to be the next to UK Ambassador his have to be in the brain all the time, but being able to go to NXT or go to smack down and go back to NXT. UK. I love that brand. I mean I watched episode today this great talent there, but it definitely is on an island and Pete don't give me that crossover star within the company to show that brand has some valuable said, yeah, he's so he's such a good example for NXT you Okay, and I think he's so good at getting people to tune in over there. But I think he can do so much more. He's got that just he's got such a legit scary tough guy. Look that is you can't you can't build into people. He just if you're at a bar and he's sitting on one side of the bar. You're like, I'm gonna go sit on the other side of the bar because he's he looks like the kind of guy that's gonna mess you up if it's gonna fur vest on that's crazy Yetta something about a guy with a fur vest dog. But like I said, you know we talked about I told you if I was in the middle, Jolly Old English are at the margins if I was in England manned and somebody wanted to get all ruffled old Maggie. No Maggie sit back. Listen, man. I'm just Taurus man. I'm just a humble tourist man as a humble tours and London I got no problems. I want to hurt somebody and they're like, no I want to fight. I'm not going to be done manually. Can you take care of my like work? I literally would feel confident that he would get the dove over anybody true. He's a soccer hooligan one on one man. Yeah. Yeah. He's one of those guys throw bad guy. I love that guy young man 225 fresh legs, man. I'm 25 minutes. And so yeah, we'll see what happens bro. But I'm yeah speaking of that. I got another Montage Rasheeda. I just want to run through these Montage because I know they do them for a reason so I want to talk about them. So just give me thoughts on his rise in the same question which kushida ceiling, you know, kishida is one of those people that it's I think it's a it's a bad example because it because we talked about who should be the next Contender for the NH n a championship or the NXT title. He's been pushed super hard. Months and we never remember that he's someone who should be contending. I always forget he's on the roster. But whenever he's on he wins, they push him like he's a big deal, but then you just forget he's even there. So, I don't know. I don't know how highest ceiling is because I keep forgetting. He's even part of the roster at this point. Yeah. Absolutely. He has he's matches week goes over these one-offs. That's great. But I'd always talked about having the right few and storyline helps build people that could be anybody on the roster, but I think he's she didn't even more than anyone because he has that Legacy from Japan they imported That story as part of his character. He needs to show people long-form what he can do. So does it does it does he run into the same problem that Shinseki run into do you think or do you dizzy as he signed himself? Because that's my only problem people think I'm not being critical of her anybody over there. That's like my favorite country to visit Tokyo and Japan in general, but I must my fear is that the language barrier and connecting with the the mainstream crowd? We know you go. It's not about that one because I don't think that's the case only because his gimmick is little bit more like family friendly and has a time traveler thing. I know it's a bad comparison. But when you have to talk to you got himself over being are being very like animated happy to be there. Everyone was all about it. And he didn't say a word of English. So I think that the one thing he has ever since K is that he's a time either Back to the Future of time Splitters to kind of make timecop it all mixes together there. I don't know if that translates to most reviewers. I don't object when I see him, I don't think he's a Time splitter don't I don't That was based on that. I think a lot of his gimmicks. No, yes looks capacitor. Yeah, why isn't his finishing move called the flux capacitor, which will be this, huh? Oh, you'll be nothing right? A lot of things I'm packed with Kiki and I want to get started because something's getting on my nerves man. I got to do over here named schlomo for no Beto.com. That's me. Yeah that Me Flo boys, you know out of me. You got a serious serious beef with Keith leash track now. Listen, I'm not attract. It's crap. It's garbage. It's terrible. He's a great guy. Love it as a wrestler performer. I am not a like a hip-hop connoisseur. I see why you met Cliffs, you know lot of rapidly. But what I'm trying to say is you got a lot of beef man first. I need you to explain why you got beef second of all, I need you to see if you got anything better. Do you got anybody talking about but I'm just saying bask in his glory is kind of super serious. That's a team. That's fine. But then it goes to a whole rapper be like, I'm proof. Oh come back with the booboo you it's terrible. It's garbage. I think I can do better. I think I know I can do better but that's see the proof is in the pudding and I don't like people that talk like they can do stuff. But without a I don't want to put you say you do better and do better until you got to track on the Paw or the great keighley then you can talk to me. You know, what right guy you in the booth. I'm in the booth mayor. Okay. All right. So this guy over here, we'll go cocina comprehension. Don't think there's a song good enough you play that track I have for you, please here right now right now. There's no way you like it. There's a gorgeous don't you know, there's more to week so chat. Whats that you bask in his glory or the floor Beatle song? That's right. He will decide Japanese people are making tally and see who wins at the end of this show. I think our oh my goodness. Yeah, you know what the people have spoken? That guy so we had this match which I think was the match of the night stole the show. It's a pleasant surprise. It was an amazing match truly truly truly was keep losing a bit of a slump. It's weird. It's like they taking the brass ring from he lost a to Damien priest and now he's lost the Dominic and convincing fashion know protecting. No DQ's no count-outs. No, none of that. So like he was dead taking the L. Shout out to keighley for being one of the most agile big might ever seen with the Spanish fly. Really every last man is fly for 300 Pounder from the top rope is unbelievable. Anybody'd think it's not felt. Don't try this at home. You know WBZ don't try this at home, but just mentally try it at home. It's very hard even in your mind be hard to do great match took the elf lobito.com. What's up? What do you suppose say you it was the right result Dominic David go to dive Dominic died gjakova. They needed the the wind coming off the injury want to establish the fact that he's a true player in the mix. The only problem is like you said Keithley has that slump so Even though it was a right decision. It was told her to watch because keighley so lucky was shot. He didn't move. He wasn't like a oh you rolled me up. It was like he was dead. So it was a bitter pill to swallow Jackie. Yeah, I you know, I've said before I love Keith Lee but he's definitely getting into Samoa Joe territory of big guy who seems credible but just always loses. I really wanted to see him get the win here at flow. As you mentioned. It makes sense. The the their result makes sense. I'm disappointed by I Think Dominic's a Cesaro waiting to happen. I'm not big on him. That's what I said, right? I don't know what he does next. What's he seemed very you remind me of very like late 90s generic. He'll where he just he has a very basic look. He looks like a heel but a very basic looking doesn't he didn't doesn't do anything that really stands out as oh, that's a really cool thing. I mean, I like his little Cyclone big boot I thought I was cool, you know, but that was really cool. But I mean even this match it felt like the star of the match was keighley he him doing the Spanish fly off the top rope and he's incorrect. I mean the crowd it is blue. That's great. I mean if you were to take that match and replace one of them with someone else Keith Lee versus whoever and they do all the same things or Dominic versus whoever and they do all the same things keeping. I would much rather see in keighley in that spot. Fine. Yes wrong. This is wrong. So if they like Dominic - Kovach and it was that match with oh no in there you bet. This is stupid. Well, I got a point but if it's Keithley, but all this is still good. So based on what you're saying then what's the number then what's next week? He'd leave the what's it? What's his ceiling? This is this is the wussiest ceiling and her ceiling on it. So because I'm clear I'm cold. I'm curious man. Yeah because we're getting to these spots with these people that have been around for a little bit. Where you going to ask. Where do you see you that the big move coming? Where do you guys see? Damn it? Both of them? Yeah. What I would like is a lot more for keighley, but what if I was to buy stock in keighley if Keith Lee was a stock I would say losing in the North American Title Match is his like that's damn that's rough. I think the that for this thing's all the fire. Let's get that out. No, it's not mad for me. But if they really want to Keithley can't be the face of the next. The brand because he has a Charisma you can do the Today Show those kind of things already and still do it. But as far as any child of is not see him there too. I don't think it'll have the the world television if that's NXT title is my buddy Adam Cole show for now. So dang, huh? Interesting. I think it I just said I would love for him to get pushed more but and what who was who was the last person keighley beat I can't I'm drawing a blank. How about you? How about you Paul? So we got so we got it Jimmy G Jonny G of negative bull crap. I'm footballs in close. I'm sorry. Okay Lord. I told you I had my rib. Oh, sorry Garoppolo manly to mess up. This shit is all that money. He got many ways. Listen. Um, Jonny G Montage Longmont charge huge package literally like they were it's like they were trying to sell him to like another brand like lizard like, you know, A video resume like I want that videos by the wrestler. Yeah so than anything and indeed this thing they did this whole thing with him and Shane thorn in like what's next for Johnny what's going on this man some of the Songbird know? So what were your thoughts on that? And what do you think is next for me what I said? So on so the ceiling episode what's this ceiling? Yeah, Johnny Gargano definitely deserves a little montage and I think it was great. You know what I would keep him on NXT for now with expansion only only for only because I don't see a spot for him on Smackdown Raw because now we have Look buddy Murphy not lie on Smackdown. Finally getting their Lane to the carve out. I would hate for Johnny to come in and like not mess that up but have a chemistry issue with that that roster as well. Well Shane thought I was kind of I like the again like the idea that there's someone on the roster being like, why are you spending time talking about this guy? It's me, but it's weird when Shane throws like guys, I'm Shane throwing what about me talk about a vote where he was begging for that kind of that kind of attention. Personally Jackie boy. Yeah, as far as Johnny Gargano, he's in a tough spot. I don't know if you guess he's I think he's done with the next to you because if he's on an XT, it's got to be regarding the NXT title. But I think he's we're over hit seen him fight for the title at this point and x 2 UK 205 live would feel like a demotion. I don't think he can hang on the main roster as mentioned with guys already like buddy Murphy and olly they've already got that that set for for the for the main roster. So I don't I don't really know I think 205 lives seems to be the logical thing. Wow. Because he fits that but whenever I think of a main roster move, I know a lot of people like Johnny Gargano and I don't want to get into the hole. Is he a star conversation but isn't are we gonna be a superstar? Yeah it do you I would say myself if you're going to put him on the main roster. Who are you taking off please time whose time is coming off and why wouldn't I put Apollo Crews there instead exactly. Why wouldn't he but there's so many other people I'd say. Well, I'd kind of rather see them on the main roster on here again. Oh, so it's not even a shot at Johnny Gargano. It's just I think it's to about black. Gonna gonna exist in the fall like everyone speculating people don't know. Okay, so it's kind of up in the air. Yeah. Okay. What if we remember we were at this when we were at the smackdown show they do it a smack down, right? So why couldn't they still do it as Smackdown true, you know to me it's up to them and is their brand they if you guys don't know if you guys ever been to the WWE show like our Smackdown what they do is they kind of entice you to stay around for a really great dark match. So you stay and watch 205 live and then when you so if it's they will they'll put like a dream matchup and if you A nice 205 life then you get the end you get your dream match. So it's one of those things where I think there's value to it. Sure absolutely as I to it, but everyone's like oh, yeah Brad sucks and I'm like, so what would you do to change 205 lo pido you have more cross-promotion? Like I don't understand why I'm watching here on Smackdown. You can guys can tell me about Total Divas every single week, but you can't tell me what happened last week on 205 live the spots. Are there the time is there give me a chance to get these promos and get into these characters. So my weight late tour Smackdown show or a switch over to network that I want to ER your daughter devouring care bottom. So being like I was random guy one is random guy to it and it travels kind of with everything. It's something I was thing about today and not to jump ahead, but they had the street profits on and it made me think of their on Raw and SmackDown all the time, but they've never said by the way check us out on NXT. Hmm. They never cross promote the show that they're on here different rumors about that. I hear that that Vince doesn't want them to do that. You know, I hear different things, you know, depending on what's true. And what's not true. I hear there's like To do that, you know, we're not going to be a bit of and they usually never do sure. So laughs true to it. You're right about that you to fall out. Maybe they promoted a little more. Maybe they got this is not about Russell and they got talent we watch that we watch that match and SmackDown alive. We were like, yeah, it wasn't only only lurking in cirno's. I'm like, yeah, there's most of us loves it. Yeah, would you go and get Rascal? I hate the fact to say this, but the last time they actually have a legit organic crossovers when Enzo at the belt because he was a compromise on and a and they had the Fallout on Tuesday. That's what made him special as much as people rolled their eyes right about the prospect of mr. Moray. He should not be named the getting getting this title with this is why they gave it to him guys. You guys are sitting in the back. Every single that do that's what he cut promo at the promo a diploma the promo and he made that brand relevant and you were like, oh my God and your got the belt and I found myself watching 205 lat as well. So I don't I don't want Johnny to get trikes. Also trap there until they I don't you know what? I mean? I don't know. I don't know what the ceiling is for Johnny, but I like him stay in at 205. I mean NXT it when they expand the brain matures, right? But this is going to be the question before I move on. I'm almost forgot does that with two hours do they need a new belt? It seems like they already have their midcard belt and their main event belt and the tag team the tag-team belt. So I want to say they do but at the same time, I don't know what they would add without like, what would be what would be there like us I think North America is kind of like the Intercontinental right every what would be like their United States title. Could the could that would that bother you guys if they had another title? Because I'm just saying it's just like it's hard for people like Johnny Johnny or keighley or Matt riddle or like what's that? What's going to UK? There's not too many belts to go around. I'm not not saying they should have so many Bells but does NXT need another belt. I think it's fine. I mean if I'm gonna compared to the Spike TV era of impact, for example, they had the world title the exhibition in tag and women's but that other belt the global the Legends the one that kept changing didn't know what to do with it because the lanes were so crowded so it wasn't Attitude Era days when we had the one roster in like 45 guys, we can say yeah p.m. Yeah. Here's our European but you know Midian and DLo weren't going to go right at first that that Vision so NXT has that kind of parody, which is actually one there. I think that anyone can find anyone in every single week. So I don't think I actually built be beneficial you go you feel the same way. Yeah, I think yeah. Yes. Yeah. So we got me about tracking down lord William Regal one of my favorites of all time. Check my man. Got time. I met his time is precious. Oh, yeah. Just going to run my man. That's what my old G's right there laughter. That's what he's in. He's in my top of all time. I just know what I said. The NXT. What do you guys mean? I think she got a little exposed tonight in that what what what she's supposed to be hard and then obviously we saw someone else come out later on in the show. He's we'll talk about that in a second. I'm assuming but that was a star and when you see someone One who's like positioned as someone who's a star for a long time? You kind of start to go? Okay, I guess they are but then when the real thing shows up you go. Wow, that's what that's who should be going after the title and it when you see the comparison side-by-side. It really made me realize I don't yeah, I think if they had it in North American women's title, I think wow, really? You're so exposed looking for your own division on your side. No, but I mean I just now that I see you can see more clearly that I think her being a solid looking Contender was more because there wasn't other people positioned at that point because they had already going to burn through Bianca and they didn't have someone else I think so, they pushed her really hard and now that we're seeing other people come up you go. Wow, that's that's the month. That's the money match. Not a me again match. Each absolutely. I unfortunately was not here in studio at the post takeover version of NXT medium did herself. No favors. Not match. I was cautious going into it. They gave her the rocket. They gave her beating up the other members of that crew horsewoman or whatever you call them. They gave her the longest in a promo is but the the Walk of the Shannon angles real recognize real it, but you're unfamiliar her doing the I'm a heel but I want to be a badass with my weapons and and now complaining You the general manager that she was unfair. These are things you cannot go on to someone's the street fighters on top or someone's a championship Contender. This reminds me of one of my favorite wrestlers of all time Christian when he lost that World Heavyweight Championship was begging for one more match. It was kind of like for real dude, right? You're supposed to be this tough person, but you going up to your boss, but like wait, what about me? What about me the old adage in the street? That is you don't do that. You don't you don't you don't you don't know ask for anything because nothing's been given to you, right? That's like the age-old adage Anatomy you have to take what is not Been given. Yeah, so she kind of messed that up and you tapped out. She lost a long road up. You got new tapped out. I lost a lot of credit by going to her boss and crying about it. And the way he the way he shut her down afterwards to don't attack me like yeah. Well, what did you expect she was like, what do you mean? To my action. This is like a spot of tea real quick. So then we transition right there Matt all of a sudden made Queen of Spades music hits comes out all all rough, man, leather jacket all up with a goon squad about at the monstars with her. These ladies come out and hit him high hit him. Hit him hit him. Four weeks ago we sat here and say who can take the bell of Shana. I was saying re Ripley because she's got the belt to Tony storm. She had nowhere to go. She put the who puts up on the back for Piper Niven. So you had this person who's just a beast of a woman who can totally not even like hit hard but definitely submit you she's definitely something I want to see now, even though Ripley is a heel in her own right that Master you were saying on Monday Night Raw heal her she was wrong with that. I wanted that match happen because I'm somebody could be more of a heel than you are. Oh, yeah and your life away. Yeah and seeing her. Her on-screen even confirms that me was not ready for that spot even says, you know what she's doing mean that conversation. That's exactly what as soon as as soon as the lights hitter. It was because we were talking right before she came out I asked I was like, yep, would you bet on me again being the next Champion or the field? And I said no and I said the field is not know what was gonna happen. That's why Soon as I saw was like, oh, that's it. That's it. No, no way. We're good here. That's the next Contender. We're here. Yeah none, no arguments. She said not as you have it walked out the minute. She said that one thing she was a little edgy anytime you when you drop up with you have a curse word if it's perfectly placed in quick and short it has more impact. Don't just waste your cuss words you can she when she when you she called it a b word man in the crowd was like might drop out I was like, oh, yeah. No she did. Yeah she did. boom Don't you go back in time? And I know it was after you go back in time to this. Welcome back to Russell Ganz me like a piece of paper like this is an envelope and mailing it years old. Right before they go live and go to our Flagship. It's the Black Pearl. It can go to Davy Jones Locker and come back and still run them up. It can get tiny and get big again. This is black girls. Yeah. I don't know anybody that watched Powers manager a franchise watch it. All listen, we got the main event Undisputed are first the street promise and XT Tag Team Championship red plastic cups everywhere getting old. damn nerves Undisputed are with the Undisputed defeat of the street profits gentlemen, what say you I'm so glad that the Undisputed error one. I am a big believer in wanting the draped in gold prophecy to come true. I think it felt like the street Prophet said being on Raw so often they kind of overstayed their welcome a bit in NXT at this point. We are waiting for them to leave photo right? You try to be try to be disrespectful right now. I'm just saying it came back. Hi Megan. I'm trying to show that the Black Pearl and a little bit of peril with the cracking. Listen. We don't want talking about. Just I the street prophets has started to grind on me a little bit and I think it was time for them to drop the titles. I am excited to see a draped and gold prophecy come true. So I thought it was a saw match. I was kind of burned after the the Keithley match because I was so good. I was I was a little I was a little bit, you know, they weren't going to top it so I don't know if it it didn't top that but it was a great match to float a fantastic match. You know, I don't hate them at Panera. I don't think the The golden was doing for me. They're a great group with the gold or without the gold. So they did they get it. That's fine. If they didn't and it became an on Prophecy. That's okay too. Three prophets had to drop the belts. I didn't think they'll do it on free TV. I thought I'd wait another takeover or have a special event between there, but it happened. It's great not it can go on to raw and fully be those characters. So I really felt for a while there the NXT Street prophets had a certain Vibe the Ross we prompt is did not and I think those it was undercutting each other's characters. So now they can pick a unified Direction and some out week that to be You know play double or not boring or oversee the welcome. So you do think by Monday, they're going to be officially there by Monday no is going to take time because we're talking about that. We want the smoke guys, you know, you can't go from like one of those bills whatever but I do think there's some room for them now to like like you say turn down a bit dialed out because a little bit man. Yeah because they already been established on wrong talking about Talent man. It does a great they'll probably have a rematch at the next take over but then dispute are will retain. That's the that's the call up right and then that would be the call it but I disagree on the the gold thing. I think seeing them all for with gold would be static though. It's a good my opinion. I don't mind either way you're wrong. You know him and check out wrong. This was five. Yeah, I turn on the chat. So we got yesterday. So they took the L. You're right about like that that give him a real legit rematch swansong. Nice way to get the call of the next the next show. I do feel that the company likes them. They wouldn't put them over every week to recapture them. They only recap right free course. I see them getting a title that the tag team title fairly quickly. Actually, I'm Raw. Yeah. Yeah, things will be pretty quick. I was almost surprised they weren't in that tournament sure. There's that was not true. Yeah anybody else think when they were doing the promo they would put themselves when they were doing the matches. Yeah. Yeah how crazy I really like and actually there's somebody that's missing who are like. Oh, that's right. We're in here as well. I would do it if all that have been crazed the Tag Team titles were not on Seth and bronze waste if it was something it was another tag team that I've been great, but it'd be kind of weird that they would have wanted when they lost him. Is it upper echelon of they beat Seth Rollins brought from it, and it has to be in a better tag team being a better tagging doesn't mean you're not as on You're right, but I'm Stratosphere Little Brush. I'm just looking at the lazy Ivan's thing like she came in. Well, she had a little walk things. You got up to the up in that Division. And then now she's dropping the belly on example match on Smackdown this week. So it's like well, I don't know. That's why I was like, I'll be careful. Yeah. Yeah, be careful cuz you came out on Tuesday and like all you stole the company and it's coming at you losses and I'm like, wow Bailey like me look a chump. So I feel like I feel well didn't want to waste it. Why waste so much time of them talking and just to have them like learning techniques have been more flexibility though. You can little bit you can lose for a while and just come back and be good again. People are okay with that as opposed to especially Lacey Evans was just so beat down for so long as opposed to yeah with what tag teams like the Usos can put people over for a month and then come back two weeks later and go. Oh their Tag Team Champions. Okay. I don't know why that's just the way it seems to be. That's the way it works. Hold fast. Hook man was like, okay horse that dough. I like the capacitor slowly. So, of course if you want me to get down to brass tacks brother brother, it's trash but the chorus is flame course is great. I just turned it off after the crash. Ha ha ha do I have food? This song is playing. Okay get into the minutiae this lyrics the floor brother just it's another gray NXT and I know people think that they're turning things up because of a competition coming up soon. Honestly. I just think that right now they're hitting the stride. Yeah and things are things are going well across all the brands and I think that because there's more mine's coming into it with like Eric Bischoff and pull him and not to go into the main roster stuff. But just everything I think I think they're letting things go in different directions and they would have before they're opening up their mind to different things and doing crazy stuff and it's I don't know two things. I'm looking forward to the most with the NXT expansion one more the crop of the new women's performers like my girl Jessie kamea soon and also the NXT UK crossover thing as well. So I'm just waiting for that to the good air is upon us man. It really is as much as I should be but I know the people of know the brand I know what they bring to the table and said to see the Walter match. That probably would Tony sermon Kaylee read the prominence that says I'm sad about that matches. Well, we who knows dumps that could happen. Tony storm is the class of that women's division brother. Yes. Yes guys, enjoy the show was very very early, which is a good thing for us men mean British standard time is a little bit later. So enjoy the show thing is 11:30 Pacific here to Eastern Standard Time with that being said Jack for my work in the lovely people at home find you my friend. You can find me at Jack see farmer.com. If you're looking for a DJ host or emcee for your live event. You can also find me at real. Active farmer across all social media and I always like to hop in the comments. So if you want to chat about the show later, let's do it. Yo, my name is that's right. 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We're going to do it at my interview at the End plus we have some news and gossip and I just want to shout out some of our loyal fans because you guys always leave in comments fat-filled CC freaky and Jay Lynn Phillips. Kiril of thank you so much for coming on and everybody that leaves a comment. I couldn't name. You always liked a lot of y'all so I know you're in a live chat showing his love right now. Make sure you participate in comment and show us love. I'm your host, Miss. Sensation peace and OG of course is here. My lovely cold panelists. I'll days a and Brianna. Hi Stacy. Yes a lady. Please. Give me your overall thoughts of the episode. I know you were involved. So you you got the inside scoop, but let us know what you just feel about this episode. She this episode was very interesting to like watch outside of your skin. It's like it's one thing to be there. But then it's another thing to like relive it Andre. Watch it and just seeing it again. It just brings up those same emotions you had that day, which is like unbothered we came in peace. You saw Jen Dominique Jackie and I had an amazing ride up to San Diego. We bonded as women we came into the house and immediately was greeted with negative energy. And and we just kind of just was like, okay, we rolled with the punches. Y'all don't want it in the main house cool will stay in the guest house. You don't want to have dinner with us cool. Whatever you want to do. Where's the pool? This is the vacation. Ian, all right, you take it away. What do you feel? I'm just gonna pick you back up. Rog said because you just could tell the turmoil was very one-sided. Okay, every time Evelyn had an attitude Jen was just like okay. If you won't go to the you don't have to eat dinner. There's rice at home, you know, all right, and so it was just one-sided and then you know the big Kaboom like I was waiting for this stuff splashing. Listen, I haven't seen a drink being thrown in a long time. I was waiting for that moment. It happened. It came to life. I don't think that Deserve it though. I mean, I think we're a little bit past throwing drinks in the face, but it brought us back to a moment where I think there's a little Olive Branch being donated. We'll see what happens next. Well, I don't ever think your past getting a drink thrown in your face when you talk about Someone's Child, but it didn't land so hey it's whatever better a drink than hands because the last thing I would want to see is Evelyn put hands on Jennifer because that's something she could never take back and I don't really know Jennifer as much of a fighter. So be sad to watch but ended on a positive note. We know it's not going to last but it ended on a passenger it ended on a positive note, but it started out real tense. There was tension in the air. You could cut it with a knife Evelyn didn't want to go to dinner with you guys like it was just why so angry we know why she was angry, but we were prepped that everyone was coming right. So what? Why did she like not anticipate that you guys would spend time with each other? That's what I understand. Here's the thing. I am all for the rule where you do not talk about somebody's child. However, let's call a spade a spade at the end of the day when Evelyn is gallivanting around talking about going to talk about my daughter. Don't talk about my daughter my daughter. It's like what do you think you're doing when you're talking about myself or when you're talking about Jen or anyone else? You are talking about somebody else's daughter. So if we're going to play Lay, this don't talk about somebody's daughter then. That means you don't get to say shit about anyone because we are all women and we all have Mother's and at the end of the day, you are still doing a hypocritical move where you're talking about. Somebody else's daughter as you can see, I have not said anything negative about these hyenas till this moment because they have talked about my mother's daughter, right? You know what that's a lie right there because it was very strange to me. How dominant Ich was just thrown in a crossfire because I don't think she came with ill intentions. Do you guys think not like that? I don't think she did either but it's kind of one of those things where you feel like you're at War so it's like whoever you bring is is with you and so you're gonna get hit with a stray bullet to and it was a I'm going to commend Evelyn for having a mature moment and being like, you know, my beef is not even with you because she was absolutely crazy. I mean she was directing her hand energy and all the wrong places is because she's bouncing off her like anybody could get it. But again, we're grown it. She's trying to get a resolution here. She's trying to get an apology. She was going the way backwards trying to fight everybody in her Direction. So Dominique, I mean Diamond was very very mature about how she's gonna I like her. I love you bug if you want to go ahead but I think I should just like, I don't know that got a problem is I'm girl you cool. Yeah. So I agree. I really like domini cuz she has a cool head and she has that positive energy and she didn't care anything that Jennifer might have told her before she came in with no judgement. Uses there for her friend and it sucks because because I see what a cool headed person Dominique is I feel like her she would be a good person that Evelyn could have in her Corner because she would put her in check and even though Shawnee kind of plays that role sometimes I feel like Dominique gives her more of a realistic reality check that is needed. I don't think Shaunie really puts Evelyn and check the way Evelyn should be put in China. No, that's why are you saying that she doesn't give you any place that just Of calm calm I don't think I really like this that you did that but you trippin girl like who everybody thinks like I feel like she's that close forever like outside the show like that's supposed to be her girl just like Jen was with all that history. You need that one person. Your corner is going to also have your back probably in public but in probably like are you tripping like, why'd you throw that drink? Here's here's my thing. I'm not with the the friendship in private. Like I hear what all of you guys are saying, but my thing is this like it's one thing. To take up for your friend publicly or not take up for them publicly. But the private conversations. I'm a strong believer that if the disrespect is public the apology should be public and vice versa. If its private that it's private. We are on a show we're making a show and we are also part of an ensemble cast where we have to interact with people that maybe we might not usually interact with Evelyn is a different species. Okay. Jen has already apologized a year ago from What I remember and so the fact that we're still rehashing these moments. It's a little dry in my opinion and it's one of those things where it's like is an apology enough. Are you going to continue to crucify this woman after she's already apologized because I mean how many apologies do you need before you move on or maybe you never move on but you have to own that now said sorry. So you're saying that Jennifer apologize to Evelyn a year ago about the comment. She allegedly made about Shawnee. Yes. So how come in the Episode Jennifer was kind of acting like she didn't say anything like she went a cottage or thrown at her we have to also understand now things were said about her mother. So now you know, sometimes we apologize and maybe it's half-hearted. Maybe it's wholehearted. I don't know. I'm not the person giving but when you start throwing low blows again, you kind of want to be like the apology back. Alright, you know that like baggy jeans mom, but you're disrespecting Jan in the grieving process. That's what I don't get you know, I mean and it's it's a hard thing to watch because as she's breaking down I'm breaking down like oh my God, I can only imagine going through something like this and being stressed out due to the fact that you know, someone that I'm close with won't even hear me out and just see that I'm hurting like you can't see the pain in my face. I didn't hate my voice like I don't even know where to go. Like, I'm glad they just made amends. I mean we'll get into Later, but I'm just glad you absolutely it worked out because sometimes you know, it doesn't matter how much history you have with someone. Sometimes you need to cut the person out of your life. But I don't think that is the case with Evelyn engine. I wish them the best honestly, it's just when you're dealing with death you you there is no right or wrong way to grieve. I've lost a parent. I've lost a sibling. I completely can relate to where Janice at mentally on some levels Evelyn has her. Were still present so there's room for them to still make amends with people that are still living when you make a comment about somebody who's no longer living. It's very hard to erase that so he's got to be Choice with your words even a stray comment. I would say because Evelyn could play the defense saying I never said anything about your mother I said about you but when you mention the mother then this becomes a whole big thing just like I never said anything about Shanice I said something about you being a bad mother but then your intern saying something about Romney's so you have to just be picking your words very carefully because you can't tell someone how to take offense exact Sochi. I want to ask you For you personally. What is a moment what make you say, you know, I need to do without this friend because it's a conversation that we had I think last week and we were saying like what would it take for you to finally cut off a friendship me personally. I don't cut off my friends. I feel like they cut themselves off. I allow you to show your true colors. I allow you to show me who you are. And if I realize that in this evaluation, you're not bringing anything to the table. I just simply move on if it takes a moment where I have to say like bitch, don't call me no more. Like we done then that was really never a friend to begin with. I feel like they should never get to that level. I have friends that I've never fought with an over 20 years. Hello High School never thought maybe been like girl. Maybe you shouldn't talk to that guy. But if you want to be like them I love them but it's never been verbal. It's never been nasty. Like I don't allow my friendships to get vulgar and that's because I have high standards with who I choose to be there is right so I can't relate to this scenario because I'm not going to allow someone to disrespect me and throw a drink in my face and then hug them five. There's 20 year history and it could be 20 years of negativity and the time means nothing to me toxic. I mean, yeah, it's what you do with that time. Right? We gonna friends. We got reintroduced to a couple of new friends. We got the Dominique and then Vanessa, they're showing up. They're bringing a little sorry. They perceive Dominique as Jin's hype man and that you know instead of her just being a support system. Like maybe she's the one that's you know, being the shoulder to cry on for Jan or whatever instead of taking it negatively. Like why can't she have someone in her corner? Like nobody's on her side Sean. He's halfway, you know there she she has a heart because she sees she's hurting but Jim needs somebody so What do you think about like just when they sat down and then the breakdown and how they expected Jin to say something different at the dinner. I will say this, you know, when you're in the moment you say a lot more than when you're put in a moment Jen was freestyling how she truly felt at that moment and I commend her for doing that for being honest, but at the same time it's like when it's related back your hearing. I was there in January. I never said I want to apologize for this this and this and I did ask her later. Like is there anything that you feel like you want to own up to? Here's your chance so we can bury it. It's up to her though. She and Evelyn have been in that situation. We as people just on the outside looking in. We don't know all the details. We don't know all the betrayals and yeah the time exactly that's a long time to have a lot of built-up whatever you know, so it's up to them as women to want to say are we going to Hash it out or not? And with Shaunie I will say this I think. Is in a different space as well probably because she felt like she was being light on same with Tammy like if you feel like somebody is lying on you. You also feel like your brain apology service different movement each problem in that scenario. So but what I was confused about is when she was saying like it just took Jin breaking down in front of her for the second time for her to realize that Jim was hurting like who wouldn't know that a person is hurting when their parent passes away like Like that's not surprising. I think it's when you have all that anger blocking you you don't see stuff like that because you don't want to you don't want to have sympathy for someone because you have so much anger. So like Evelyn wanted to stay mad at Jennifer. It was just easier for her to ignore it and Shaunie said that she said, I know you want to be mad. I think that was a time where Evelyn actually broke down because you see the humanity in it. This is still your friend. We are still humans when the cameras come off Jen's mom's not coming back right, you know you I have to deal with this and I feel like Evelyn finally got to it. Like the actual situation is valid in the anger but it also is petty because like you said there was an apology a year back and then it's the back and forth back and forth of did she say this about Johnny did she not in that is so petty as grown women. I just feel like they could have came to a men's a long time ago. Yeah, you have to also if you break down the apologies the problem is a lot of us are giving blanket apology. So we don't know exactly what your apologies if I've said anything to offend you. I'm sorry. Well, no, obviously we're mad about something in particular. So I apologize for that particular thing. And then we know I said, I'm sorry for this and now we move on when you leave it so open. It's like I gave you an apology will bitch. I don't know what you was apologize. If I said something it's not taking care of ability. It's thing that you chose you might have gotten offended if you if me but I didn't say that and so I thought apology at the end of the episode. I feel like everyone's just broken down and tired as well. So she took it but me I was just like that if word what do you mean? I hate that. I don't accept anything if you sort of apology with if anything, it's not real. You just got to really start with I'm sorry for yeah, that's it. We always keep it real here on AfterBuzz TV. So I days a let the people know how we feel about them tuning in each and every week to watch basketball lat we love you guys. And we thank you so much for making AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV talk and always tuning in with us for the Basketball Wives after show if you're on YouTube. Be sure. Sure to like comment and subscribe leave a comment. Let us know how good OG looks tonight. Let me know how you got jumbo girl so much like comment subscribe and let's just get into how Millay. Got a chance to meet with Byron and she's letting Kristen know what was said, you know, Byron has raised Thomas for 35 years and he considers him his child and he says he never related information to you to hurt anyone. So Kristen is is excited to hear that because now she feels like she has some hope for her family. So What do you when you got the information what made you just say it so there's a lot of moving parts to what really transpired building up to that evening. And that evening. I will say this not once do you ever hear me? Say Byron said I can use this as a weapon right was completely fabricated and I live by Malaysia. I never once said that I actually never even brought up by his name outside of the fact that I said Byron is not Thomas has biological father in the midst of that sentence. I also said there's nothing Wrong with the blended family. I also said he is a good grandfather and you should not have embarrassed the family like that by saying he wasn't all the good points went out the door because Kristen's theatrics the overacting and overreacting to something you already know and something that's not a secret is it's weird. So for me, I'm like the Lakers through you guys a whole party about this years ago. So why she reacted that way? I don't know. I will say this my time. He might not have been the best but at the same time I was being poked at and attacked which a lot of people were not privy to prior to that happening. So if you're going to poke a hungry bear we're going to eat right now I want to do I do you want to bring up a point and ask a question. Do you feel like Kristen's part of Kristen's reaction might have come to the fact that she said something offensive to that was bleep out for us. So we don't know the exact words will be made in friends and so in return to that offensive, You brought that up. So it seemed like a mo here's what happened. No bullshit first in can I say bullshit come out Kristin had made so many false allegations with the camera's not rolling with the cameras rolling that she'll probably never own up to in fact, she is owned up to one on camera. I literally said it because she was saying, I don't know her I don't know. Of her we don't have any mutual friend. I'm a liar. I'm this I said no, you're a liar. Your life is fake. I think how you guys didn't get to see a lot. We have such a short amount of time to give you guys a for our argument in less than an hour. So you're going to get one to two minutes of that argument each episode and it doesn't allow each person. And you keep digging yourself deeper. There is something that we did talk about with that whole thing up because you did make the comment about it's a blended family and it's something that you should be proud of but it's something I think it was more the tone as well as the timing. Do you think that if you set it in a different tone it wouldn't have been received like the way it was. No who wants to hear the reality if you go around telling everybody you're a basketball wife and you'll never never be a basketball wife and I am and then it's like girl actually you thank you when you start, you know, because she had made comments about my man not playing or not being a good player and I'm like girl you're never your man's never even played on a team so she can't say shit I'm saying so these are things that you guys are pretty to keep talking about you behind your back and you keep getting it come back. It's like girl give me that go and I'm gonna go and I know you weren't just saying it for no reason editing really takes the story. Makes a completely different story because you were even for me I'll admit you are really vilified him. Like how could she do that? Even though it's the truth in that way even though we know what the beat the bleep stuff. I thought that was out of line completely. But then I was saying like my favorite thing is you cannot tell somebody how to play defense when you play offense. So like if you're going to talk about my man and my family and then I say something you can't believe all that. Well, there's it's not alive. It's only our lying when it's happening to the bullies, right? The bullies are bullying or when they're attacking somebody else. It's Justified and that's why in the end. I was like, I'm not doing this fake shit like you guys never see what anyone says to me or you make somebody look like. Oh, what are you talking about? Nobody's coming for you. Oh gee, I mean, yes, they are under what you meant by that. So yeah, I don't know what's up. Shaunie was justified in her upsetness at you. Like like she could I was like, you just don't talk to you know, expose people's family. Depending if it's on my public. You see what I'm saying? So I was actually just confused with her reaction. So we're are you in Shanice are now joining our cool like Shawnee has her friends that she had before she met me. I don't expect Shaunie to want to be best friends with me. I just came in to this group expecting people to be open to get to know me and if you're not I feel like it's your loss not mine. I know what I bring to the table. I am the damn table. Come on now, I'm good. Right and we had either way showdown at dinner the ambience I can admit it was fabulous. The you know restaurant was nice big table. So you guys can be spread out and not hit each other and do things to each other. It started off real quiet and awkward and today Jackie right? Then Jackie tries a line in there with this confession game with her missing self honey. That's Champion for Jackie. Come on. Yeah, that's Jackie's thing and she's so neutral that you don't look at it as a for she's being malicious. You look at it like - yeah, but you know what she started with the sex question. So you're yeah. He was coming. She is want to keep it kinky. It was when it went straight to his she acts Jin did she speak on she needs his name anjan straight-up denies it and and it's confusing because we're like looking at the breakdown like, oh she's gonna apologize even though she didn't say the specific words, but we just thought it would be a different approach to her and Evelyn making amends. But it didn't happen that way because she don't want to do it in front of everybody. Do you feel like if she would have done it in that moment. It wouldn't have gotten the resolved that it did at the end of the show. They know I don't think the moment matters. I feel like At any point if Jen chooses to own up to anything that she is denied in the past. It's going to be a I Told You So moment no matter when it is whether there's audience with the collective or not. So it's like it's literally you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. What do you guys think? Yeah, like you said it really confused me as well how John just said? No, but then again I as we're talking and we're talking about editing and stuff like that. I just wonder like it. Was it more of something in motion. Was exactly how is that night? Yeah. Yeah, but then on the flip side, you understand like like you said, there's no wrong time to own up because they would have been poking at her regardless, but I can see where Jen would be embarrassed. Like now all the people who you been persuading that you never said any of this to now you're at a table and the confessions game that gets you to say the truth. I mean I wouldn't be lying about what I said, but I can see where I would be like no and you've done deal and if she says yes. Yes in this moment that sets off a whole domino effect of over a Year's worth of arguing that could have been resolved a long time ago. Exactly. Take it back to Jackies party when Tammy brought out her phone and was like girl these text message a so Jen saying yes, and this moment in front of everybody and the world is her vindicating Tammy. Yeah came Shawn even the king Malaysia and it's like are you ready for the Vindication and the backlash from former? It's up to you. So and that sends us to why she said she Rather do it in private, even though it's not private, but she still did it on camera. But at least with just Evelyn Shawnee and Dominique the people that would be unbiased and that actually matter it was easier for her to not have to deal with real backlash because Evelyn was able to be vulnerable and that moment and broke down. Yeah. Yeah, I agree and if you had oral diarrhea, you don't know what sometimes you don't know what you say. So we made it through day one thank god with no injuries or beatdowns and then Kristen decides the prank Jackie with the fake cockroach. Jackie was not having it. She did she want one. Yeah, they didn't have to include that they could have another minute or two. Bigger room and Kristen decide this is the way she's going to get back at her. What did she do wrong like Paul Jackie is an OG and Kristen's been there for like maybe no pun intended. But yeah, Chris has been there for like a beat so you don't have claims to any room, especially when you're bringing a plus one that nobody knows you don't know if Jackie wants a room. Jackie can have the Jackie wants the house. Jackie can get the house. I agree a hundred percent. So that's when we get to the apology. Gee, I guess that was kind of like a way to like break the ice and you know, Jan wasn't so like, you know tense about everything. So what's the girl's name? Yeah, Dominique goes and get Evelyn so that she can talk to Jim because you know one thing I did like about Dominique she got right up and she was like, I'm going to the main house. I'm going to just talk to the girls. I'm not going to let this drama just keep Brewing. Let's just hash it out. And I like that about Dominique and the fact that she went to get Evelyn so that we could get this resolved and it happens. I'm so happy that they were able to hug it out. We heard the little heartbeat through the microphone. Okay. It was it was that moment. So it was a lot of Tears for me. Like I'm so emotional when I watch, you know, just people breaking down and I just love to see the women bring back The Sisterhood because that's what it's about. Right? We're about to being a sister so How do you guys feel about the moment of them making amends? And do you think it's going to last do you think Jen's has learned her lesson? I can't say I'm not answering that question because I know him he's gonna ruin the moment. It was great. But also I just noticed like how it's always. It's never a one-on-one. Someone always has someone in the corner like Dominique was there as witness Johnny was there as witness where I really would have thought that was gonna be Evelyn and Jen in that room because that's what we've been waiting for. How many old he's a comfort to me one-on-one, but yet we're still with audience, but we'll take it I get what you're saying, but sometimes you need a mediator because it's like when the tensions are high and it's like we sometimes you might say something like no bring it down. Like let's just go back to my we're here for it, which is the apology. Sometimes you need that and I would just say like with Evelyn again. This was always just one side attention because you said she needs to come to me. I'm not going to approach her. So you're saying I'll have this conversation, but I'm not going to initiate it fine. I'm not when Dominique comes down fresh in the morning looking good and she does like the fake square up as a joke, you like baby too soon like come come. I mean it was a little bit. So you also have to remember that. She's never connected a punch. So it's not too soon. You're lucky Dominique didn't beat the snot out of you. Okay, but she could have because I could have And had no reason to attack Tommy and she was new she doesn't really know Dominique if you look at what she said. She didn't say anything negative in just said Jen has been my friend for a long time. I have not known her to say anything negative about Evelyn. So anyone with a rational mind would not be angry at her but we're not dealing with people with rational Minds were dealing with someone who's looking for a reason to be mad. And that's a problem in itself. It's kind of like the point you made also when you set up like word vomit on your just in that moment, you just say things and you see a Target and like, okay. Now you got it. Now. You got it. Oh you want to you can get it to you like it's just not much. That's very Evelyn's ml even up commend Dominica. She even came down to get Evelyn. She just like hey best friend, like keep killing her with kindness because you keep telling the first thing you don't even Dominique and I met immediately instant coolness and she's from Detroit. She's super down-to-earth. Like I absolutely love her energy. So like as you can see, I was holding Evelyn back because I'm like that. I didn't want anything to happen to Evelyn because I know Dominique is from Detroit. Okay, they don't play and enjoy it. Okay, so and she's also a sweetheart so you don't want somebody on day one getting introduced to the group where I really day two or three because she was at shaunie's love event. You don't want them to come in in a negative way when they didn't even get a chance to get to know anyone right, you know plus fur baby was speaking on her pretty pretty fur, baby. A little piece of news and gossip. I found an article on the Atlantic black star where Brandon Jennings he has a young. Baby, whose baby mama who planned on being on the show and she basically he says it's not a real job. So how do you feel about like these basketball players Brandon Jennings, you know burned injective. How do you feel about these basketball players who get I guess kind of afraid that their baby mamas going to be on the show and then they down talk to show it depends on the relationship with that said player and their baby's mother if they have a core relationship. They have a trust thing that they're not worried about any of their private information. Ian coming out because at the end of the day you got to deal with this person for life. I will say that if you receive a check and it's signed and you fill out a W-2 I nine ten nine whatever fellow it's a giant. Yeah. All right, I think are they say has a piece of news and gossip? Oh gee blast to Evelyn and Phoebe after they accused her of wearing a in authentic Louis Vuitton shirt. OG took to Instagram posting herself looking great and her Louis Vuitton shirt, and she says that it's vintage and on last episodes. Episode Evelyn and Phoebe claim that they called their Louis Vuitton girl, and she verified that it was in authentic Blues events. I cannot hold you guys up to Instagram showed her receipt of $36,000 that she spent on her apparel and called Evelyn and Phoebe lying goats. Now, we have OG and the to the vintage aloha shirts. So here's the thing everyone thinks by the word vintage. I mean, it's old. Louis Vuitton shirt know the Vintage is the monogram print. Okay, Louis Vuitton actually came back out with that vintage monogram print and blue orange and yellow this year it sure did so it can I got it in 2014. Okay. It's not vintage like it was made in 1992 or 1983. It's the vintage print they brought back and made it into that monogram shirt. It actually comes in men's as well which is why I bought it an extra small because it's knit and so you want it to fit snug as you saw Snug me pretty, right? Hi. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing that I don't even talk about you negatively at all and you are going behind my back and calling rep. I asked her have Europe called my rep I get some shit to me I go to stores I shop for myself. And guess what when you shop for yourself you get to keep your receipts now if someone's buying it for you on their credit card, you don't have receipts for you have I had loose and you just pull thank you, you pull the looks and never wear them again. It's still got the tag on I don't do that. I like shopping. I enjoy shopping. That's my cardio. I have Costa Mesa. She said that's my card. That's why I said this to be malicious and you can only make up so many lives before. Imma pull your whole card every single time. We can explain the why you go away. Let it flow now. So if you know any Nigerians, you know that we are the kings and queens of insults. I will and we woke literally call you anything and one of the this related no, I mean it makes sense. So one thing that is that like a shameful thing it will and evil is goat. So like if you're a goat you can be a goat because you playing yourself you could be a goat because you're stupid and if you're lying go then you're a lying stupid person who's playing themselves. And then so it's kind of like heifer like cosmetic heifer or somewhat goats goats goats can be used in a positive or negative. We don't use it in an insult. It's actually a delicacy when you eat it. But when we're insulting you like I truly believe in you could probably cosine this at Nigerians are probably the only ones that are capable of making fun of somebody with the alphabet like hey, what you gonna do shit like AP, you know, we're the only ones I can really dig you with the alphabet or an animal. It's like a dynamic and it's so insulting but it's like the people receiving in are like wait you call me a what a little I go. So if you see go in capital letters, it means greatest of all time. If you see and lowercase letters and is not something nice just know you're an animal who eats anything who does anything we offer Brown? All right, so tweets from the from the super fans of the show. They're talking about the show Lexi Love. Tammy is doing so good. I'm so happy she married and business. Is good. Yes, we love Tammy and she staying out of the drama. She adds that it all the events. Like she usually she doesn't have to be Tammy is booked a me is busy. You see what I mean? She has been doing this for a long time. I commend her and everything that she does so it's got to be there. She's there in spirit y'all. Yes and Ja Ja re in didn't in Young Love fix Evelyn's life why she still on TV behaving like a hood rat? Okay. That's a read you guys. I think she's learning now. She's learning how to control her anger. She's starting. So by the end of the episode she starting I hope so. All right tree Hollow. He says I love Jackie's energy this season we all love it. How about is she changing? Do you feel like she's always been this way the same Jackie without I don't see her doing anything. They're just not the villainizing her the exactly yeah exactly also have some comments. From people in live chat Runner girl says they jealous of the chocolate girl, right CC freak says you better say that. Oh gee, I'm already here 400 G getting these houses together as ever Union Jewel a lie be says, yeah Sochi and should know Isaac says cc is classy and pretty head is classy Petty. Oh, oh, okay. Okay. Well, I read that wrong. I got a tee what Adam are not so OG we play a little game on the show. Yeah invasion of the closet snatch. Okay. Yes. I am. So excited to play this game. Okay because fashion thing so it's a bump off of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. So you're going to tell us who's closet you would snatch and you have some from the show. Well we have options for you. I have a great feature. Tanana next slide if I see that denim jacket with the petite girls talking about forever 12. I am for sure Forever 21, Dan. I will have a Forever 21 moment at any given time. Okay. I was once but They used to call me olive oil before I start putting the weight on me. It's not that it's not what you wear. It's how you wear and how you carry yourself and you guys will learn very soon that I've been sewing since I was six years old. So these the fashion comments those in one ear and out very soon. They will be buying my clothes that you see in this one. You would yeah, we know that's so boo. I'm Sorry, I know it's Kristen and FUBU and CC's out. Okay so hard I'm just gonna snatch Phoebe's closet for this picture because I can't wear the baggier. I'm curvy so the baggy or clothing makes me look baggier. So I'm just going to snatch the dress for today and keep it cool and calm and collected. Okay? Yeah, that looks more like a I get to me not a dress. I would go with what FUBU Phoebe is wearing. I like the colors, I guess. Okay, and it's tight. I love tight stuff. Okay. I think I would go with Phoebe's because Kristen is very safe. And she's kind of on the not to call her basic but her closet is really safe and basic and I've got to be your closet bar has got to be your closet. It depends on the relationship me because there's so much tradition that comes with being African and having to do traditional and having to change and do your money dance and stuff II don't think I would be allowed to elope question as well piggybacking off the air. Can we are Nigerian and so as a Nigerian growing up in a Nigerian household? Sometimes we find resistance from our parents about the career choices that we choose because it's different than what they have set out for us. So when you became a football player and now reality TV star did your parents or family give you any resistance where they support it was a little bit in the middle as you will know and any Nigerian listening right now, we'll know the resolution to any factoring problem is to make sure the money matches so if the money matches Patient they don't compare my doctor if you're making as much as a doctor or a lawyer, it doesn't matter but my mom knows that and the back of my mind I still want to do lot and that's why I'm going to law school. It's not about the money. It's about the past. Yeah, so she's happy about this. Awesome. I want to piggyback off of football question also, so I know you know kids is somewhere something that you do want to pursue. Would you be okay with your daughter following your footsteps and being you being like a football? You're annoying the roughness and toughness of it and how dangerous that can be. Would you be? Okay if your daughter wanted to explore that side or would you totally okay? Absolutely, it would have to be around the age. I did it. I was a full-grown woman. How old were you I was 25. Okay so much harder. I was fully grown. I had already sustained multiple injuries playing soccer volleyball track and basketball. So for me it was it was something that was not there for me to do at the age of 6, which is smart. I don't want to have my daughter or my son doing that at such an early age because they haven't developed. Up yet, right. So absolutely. Okay something XU. How big are you on forgiveness? Because I know we've had some, you know tense moments with you and some of the cast if they were to come to you and apologize and being genuine. Would you hold a grudge or I mean they apologized to me last year y'all just didn't get to see and I accepted it and then we came back for the next rodeo and they're still talking shit. So you got somebody doing exactly if you apologize. You cannot create or re duplicate the same thing again, because then you'd like LG was bullshit, right? So how do you deal with or rise above the drama? I saw you kind of just walked away and went to the guest house. I can answer your I can ignore like the best of them. I will act like I think that's even worse. Sometimes that'll because I'm on a show and I cannot not have that dialogue. I will be very vocal. That's what I'm getting paid to do. They value my opinion, but at the same time the second I start ignoring you you will feel it and that's when you start feeling the ship that it's like, how do i g? Coyote it's not coming back to the show. Honestly to be a hundred percent with you guys. You guys are getting exclusive right now. Hello make some God. I was actually asked to be on the show in 2012. And at the person I was dating at that time. I did not have a relationship with him that was strong enough for the show. He was an athlete and I did not want to be on the show. So I started find it. So it's not really coming back to the show for me. I saw a growth in the show I saw. Platform that was there that was offered to me. And in my opinion it's kind of now was the perfect moment to give people something different. I'm the first athlete who came on as an Active Athlete and my man is an Active Athlete. That's what a lot of people forget to give him. Yeah. He's the only person who's currently weighing exactly which is what people want to see and hopefully we can take the girls to a game and they see it again right now. We're dealing with a lot of people who have either already been married or divorce. I still have a lot more to give I haven't had a child yet. I've never been married qualms. He's never been married. He's never had a child. Yeah, I'm listening. Okay, if we can do something different you have many things in a works. I can't believe you're in law school. Um, you have a clothing line in the work. It's got the Bible. But what what all do you like just give us the rundown of what we can expect from you and where we can get all this stuff. You literally said the most important ones right now, and I'm going to be launching it on my website, which is I heart o g.com. So I'm trying to go and order law school takes three years if I do accelerate his two years, so I'm not trying to talk about it. Too much because I'm not even close to graduating yet. But please believe when that time comes everyone will be there. Yeah, I didn't mean so what kind of entertainment law I would love to either do contracts or entertainment, but I haven't picked an amputee. Yeah. Okay amazing loss. Congratulations on the good luck with everything. That's awesome. Thank you guys so much for tuning in was a great show. Thanks for stopping by. Oh gee, I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece. You can check me out on Instagram @ Mi SS Conversation Piece follow my lovely panelists and OG tone. Find you at I heard a g.com. 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Breanna Chianne, Adaeze, and Miss Conversation Piece are back and this time they have a special guest tonight. OG IS IN THE BUILDING! Everyone will breakdown day one of the girls trip as Jennifer and Evelyn finally make amends. More importantly, OG spills exclusive tea about pursuing law, drama we don’t get to see, and a lot more! The Basketball Wives After Show: Welcome to the La La Land this spin off of where these lavish ladies who are formally linked to basketball stars. The BASKETBALL WIVES AFTER SHOW gives you the inside scoop on all of the drama that comes with being romantic with a baller with a California twist. Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show. ABOUT BASKETBALL WIVES: Basketball Wives LA is the Los Angeles based spin-off of Basketball Wives that premiered August 29, 2011, on VH1. It follows the lives of a group of women who have all been somehow romantically linked to professional basketball players. VH1 has renewed the series for a fourth season, which will premiere on July 12, 2015.

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Alright Dan the body builder from Thailand here you get you guys another episode of The Amazing the incredible the awesome. steroids podcast You know, I'm going to be going back to Thailand now next month at the end of September and I've been living in Los Angeles, which was kind of like living in Mexico and I was living in San Francisco. So been between San Francisco and Los Angeles since January when I came home from Colombia with, you know, having had surgery down there on the And that I had in my leg from a bad shot of underground lab steroids. And you know now I've been back in the United States and you know, it's really been interesting because the reason why I went to Thailand in the first place when I came back here to the United States and visit it again, basically, I was reminded of all those things again, and it made me actually appreciate Being in Thailand being in the Philippines being in Vietnam being in Laos more. It made me appreciate it more having come back to the Western world and it really really was essential for my met my mental development because now I've experienced being in my culture being away from my culture for an extended period of time, you know for years and then coming back to my culture after having been completely gone like that for a long time. And man, the what you learn about yourself and the world around you and how you relate to it. It's incredible. It's incredible. Now that I've completed that circuit. Wow, it's been a mental transformation to me mental transformation for me. So I'll just tell you some of the reasons why I went to Thailand in the first place was because the competition in America for success is like really high like most people are living A middle-class lifestyle where they're highly dependent on their jobs and and like need those jobs like month to month and that like basically like controls their life and then the returns aren't as big as they like for having to devote so much of themselves to that thing and then the returns, you know, it would be a lot nicer if they were a lot greater for how hard you were working. So when you go to a third world world country your dollar goes a lot further there. Okay, so, you know, for example, if you have more than you know, I'd say a minimum of 3,500 to 4,000 dollars a month in Thailand. For example, you you money isn't no longer a matter to you you do whatever you want. Okay, like you don't think about money anymore. And if you're making more than that, then you're going to be saving that. so that's the barrier to entry there something like, you know, you can live in Thailand for $1,500 a month and do so like comfortably but yeah, like money is still going to be something that you know, you're thinking about, you know all the time whenever you spend money, but once you get up to around or if you get up to around like $4,000 a month or so that you're making it's like the same it's the same as being like an NFL like Football player or something with the amount of money that you have because it doesn't matter what kind of lifestyle you want to live. What kind of high-class nightlife you want to go to if you're into that or you know, what food you want to buy what restaurants you want to go to but dates you want to do what other kind of stuff that you want to do with your life, you know, even probably with performance enhancing drugs included like expensive ones like growth hormone and shit, like if I mean, yeah, you can take that and and Like something like $4,000 a month and live all this different kinds of Lifestyle you you know for that much and I'm talking about, you know, you got to be a millionaire CEO in America to be living that kind of Lifestyle. So the barrier to the high class is a lot lower there and your dollar goes a lot further. So it makes you feel a lot better about like money to living that way because then your I don't know it makes it makes you become instinctively more charitable and just more relaxed and more giving to those around you. There's just a thing about about the way that your money and your dollar goes a lot further there and you feel good about it. You feel like every transaction you do you really getting good value? You're like you're like, wow, you know, this is this is a great value. I feel like the price. That I'm paying for this is the price that it's worth or I might actually be getting a good deal. Whereas in America. Usually when I'm buying a shit. I'm like fuck dude. I'm getting fucking ripped off like constantly know because the prices of everything is so high and it's just like well, that's just the price it is that's the price you gotta pay, you know, and it feels like a like your dollar should be worth more than it is. Okay. And so you feel like you're getting bad value and then that makes you feel less charitable which dude feeling charitable as part of being happy that's like a huge part of being happy is the way like because that's like totally a huge part of where happiness comes from is like seeing you cause other people to have good feelings in good emotions, seeing your presence, you know, having the the reflection that others days take on, you know that part of their day when you're in their presence if you can see a consistent thing where you know, it brightens people's data have Round that feels great and you know part of that is being you know charitable in heart not just in money. That's not what I mean by charitable like giving money to charity. But I mean the way that you treat people when you feel like you aren't getting ripped off all the time and you're getting good value for the things that you're buying you develop this warmth in your heart. Okay, so that is that's a those are some of the major changes. Just you know getting value for your money living over there is and then in addition to that, you know, I'm just going to say like they think foreigners are pretty cool over there. So if you've ever wanted to know what it's like as if you're a bodybuilder, especially they like bodybuilders and if you've ever wanted to know what it's like to be like Justin Bieber or like Justin Timberlake and get like that kind of attention from girls or just like people in general Like like your Superstar when you go over there, let other bodybuilders if they've been to Thailand Oh They'll they'll test of what I'm saying, man. You're a superstar and so it's like it's like fuck. Yeah, like life just like freaking rules. I could just rules man. It is is awesome. And and then it's like gear is there and it's legal and is pharmaceutical grade and it's like it's there's good gyms. And the Thai people, you know, make a lot of food on the street. There's always food everywhere and everybody's smiling even if they do actually have you know, some of the some people say, oh, well, the Thais have underhanded intentions behind those Smiles, you know, sometimes that may be true. But you know, I think normally it is it's sincere. It's part of the culture to keep a smile on your face there. So so everybody's got a smile on and it just brightens my day. It's like it's like I'm just walking on sunshine. It's always warm, you know. You know, everybody's happy with me doing my testosterone or whatever. I do over there, you know, nobody's got any problems with that. It's not culturally unacceptable. And you know, I'm just walking on sunshine. I got Thai people smiling at me. I'm smiling back at them, you know, like there's hella girls that are interested in you like crazy like and they're not they're not wretched girls either like they're not these girls that walk around with these faces like oh I'm too good for you and shit like all these girls do You know, like all these girls in Western society and it's like what the fuck because they're getting so much attention 24/7 from dudes like hitting them up on Instagram and shit or Facebook or whatever that they think they're the shit even if they're not even attractive and so like they have no need for any male attention whatsoever. Right like zero because they are having their quota filled up so fuck that dude. That's not how the women in Thailand are that's not the way the culture is. Okay the culture over there. Is that the women they like They care they say they'll ask themselves questions. Like how how does a woman be beautiful on the inside and the outside and they'll like think about these questions and these then talk with themselves. They've a lot of them have got kind of funny voices when they try to speak English but kind of hires for voices and they you know, they they'll say like very feminine very feminine qualities. He's there trying to please you and I'm not talking because some people say, oh it's only Pros in Thailand. No, it's only pros and Thailand if you're in Pattaya or if you're in Bangkok or Phuket, you know these tourist areas and you're looking for that there. I mean, there's plenty of normal girls dude. There's like 10 million people in Bangkok, you're telling me that it's just one section of Bangkok that does that so you there's tons of colleges. Okay, and Best places to live far away from the the tourist stuff because that shit, you know, it's a drain on your life living around that tourist areas. You got to live among the ties. Okay. Don't go there to be among other foreigners. So I plot myself down right among the ties. I like to live in the countryside out in Northeast Thailand near Cambodia and Laos. It's called ihsan. And so it's like they some of them have never even seen a white person before out there. And so then I come there and I'm like a unicorn it's kind of funny. You know what? I should just I should just before I go there this time get a little a little like up like horn that I can stick between my eyes and I could strap it around like a you know, basically like a little kids birthday hat. I could strap it around back behind my ears and this time when I show up in Thailand I can get off that plane and have that horn on my on my face between my between my eyes with that birthday. Hat type A elastic ship between behind my ears baby and I'll be like hello Thailand and you know, what a unicorn will have landed that's basically the effect that it can have at times. Like I said, they think foreigners are really cool. They are interested but they're really shy but you know the women are not they're not trying to do this feminism or or equal rights shit or anything like that. They don't care about shit like that there that's like a non-issue to them. They're just worried about like living like a happy life and they just like want to share it with someone and have them be like have like true love forever after they're all like the you know, like the Disney princesses that that they they watch all those growing up and and they just want to have a life like exactly like they see on those Disney Princess movies those cartoon movies like Sleeping Beauty or Cinderella or shit like that, like they're trying to model that that's their life's dream and it gets dashed all the time by like, you know, like a lot of their time boyfriends like cheat on them because it's I mean, it's just the way it is and it can kind of poison that a little bit so you want to be with Thai girls that have not been with you know, they're usually want to be with the ones that are pretty young because they have like the most gracious Hearts ever and I'm talking like, you know anywhere between between 18 to 25 years old. Usually they have the most gracious Hearts ever. They are so kind and and and you know, if you're willing to be kind back to them, they will just open up like like open up there that hard for you and give you give you you know, everything you wanted. You know, I'm talking I'm talking like emotionally physically whatever they are, really? Eight companions. So this is some of the perks of living in Thailand guys. This is some of the reasons why you know, when when I was in when I was in college my last year, you know, I was saying to myself, you know, as I was getting my psychology degree at University of California. I was like, I was in this little blur liberal-ass school right and being shoved all this shit down my throat for a few years. You know and so I was like checked out man. And and I was thinking man. I'm not going to go to more school for this bullshit and get like a master's degree or something. Like I'm just getting my degree, you know, my bachelor's degree and I'm out of here and and I was so checked out of what I was learning to because it was all bullshit. I was taking classes about like homosexuals rights or not not homosexual rights. It was like a like it was weird shit man. It was weird shit was classes about Homosexuals and transsexuals and toxic masculinity are connected and and all this shit. I was writing essays about him and I kept on getting like F's on them and having to go see my professor after class. It was a total nightmare you guys it was a total nightmare. Can you believe this? Can you believe this? I can't either I still am in disbelief. And and so so after I got my freaking so during that last semester of school cool. I was like fuck dude. I want to go like do like this stupid-ass psychology shit and it just doesn't sound good and but I learned a lot and so I was like, I've got to find something else to do and that was when I started my website my first website create him happy.com and that's what I was making my income on then for like the next like two years and then I was also starting bodybuilder in Thailand after the first year on Kratom happy.com, and I was working on that and then when Kratom happy.com Went down then bodybuilder in Thailand was making enough money to support me by that time. And then so that's how I did all that and that's what inspired me to want to start working online because you know how people say they're stupid ass shit about like, oh, you know fifty percent of all small businesses fail and all this like bullshit and I'm like go fuck yourself when I hear that shit because you know what, this is, what's up? This is what's up if you have an idea and you know, It's going to work then that is what it is. Okay, so with Kratom, I knew that I liked Kratom and so, you know when I made a website that was an informational website about Kratom and made videos about it and stuff. I knew that people would be able to see me in the videos and read my writing that I wrote in on the written on the Articles talking about the benefits that had in my life and whatever side effects were that were in there. I knew that they would click the damn links that I put there that had a link to the Kratom supplier that I was using and they're giving me 20% commission for sales that came through my link, you know and it but I knew that there's going to be people that looked at my goddamn website that we're going to click the link and and buy it because you know, it was a good product and if I was talking to my friend and I said that to them and I said it to you know, I don't know how many people were visiting the website every day, but you know after After six months and it was at least, you know a few hundred or so visiting the website every day. And if you're going to say that to you know, a bunch of friends and and talk about the benefits and the negatives and then recommend the place that you use. Yeah. Some of them are going to freaking by it. Like it's just obvious. So that was how I just knew it was going to work before I started because I was like, yeah, this is how it's going to work and then with bodybuilder in Thailand knew that I wanted to do a second income stream because that's why I started that back when I was still doing the Kratom thing, but I had to shut the Kratom thing down but I started bodybuilder in Thailand because I was like, yeah, I want to have a second income stream and then I was thinking okay. I want to do like a fitness industry thing or like a bodybuilding thing because that's what I like and I've been studying this for a long time and doing it. You know, I was you know, starting to become pretty experienced with using steroids and had been researching them for a long time prior to them. to that, you know about seven years before I started and then and then I was thinking shoot lost my train of thought there lost my train of thought there. Okay. Yeah bodybuilder in Thailand.com. And and so I was thinking yeah, I want to do this. I want to do like Fitness industry and I want to base it around like truth in the fitness industry because it had taken me a long time to get there and and figure out, you know going through that whole thing where I was like coach by 3D MJ team 3D MJ Matt Olga's is coach and everything and really had that whole journey where you know, I went from You know natural to enhanced and and really like learning the whole process and you know meeting a lot of other steroid users and really getting a feel for how things really are on the real world. Like in Jim's what you see in the gyms, you know not what's talked about on the internet. And so so I knew that I had that skill and I wanted to you know, parlay that into doing something where I could be, you know doing my personality. or doing what I was interested in talking what I was interested in and what I knew about on the internet and then the same thing like sending recommending things that I knew worked and then you know saying what I knew didn't work and just saying the full spectrum side effects everything, you know, not not only saying good things but also saying bad things about bodybuilding stuff or supplements or Worse arms or whatever or steroids whatever you know, but I've never done any selling with Any illegal performance-enhancing drugs, I've never participated in anything like that. But I've talked about their effects. That's what I mean when I included that word with with saying the positive and negative aspects of them. So, you know, if you just talked to that's always the attitude that I've had is that if you just talked to friends, you know, and you give you just talk with them and provide, you know, an exchange of information and exchange of value and Talk about what your interests are and what you're skilled at. Of course, there's going to be recommendations or things that you say to avoid and you know that information is going to be transmitted between you and your friends your acquaintances that you talk to in real life. So what I was thinking was, okay. Well just you know, you got to become a public figure in each industry that you want to do it in. So, you know first I made the YouTube videos for the Kratom or whatever and became like a figure who people like new on the internet. Oh, yeah that Kratom guy. That guy Dan from Kratom happy.com that Kratom guy and so I was like a figure that had like a like a word in that industry or that or that like field that Niche and so people come to for advice and that was my first experience and then that's been the same way that I was especially with my first YouTube channel Dan the bodybuilder and in Thailand or I think it was just bodybuilder in Thailand before that got censored because I was talking about Peds Channel got deleted when I had like 20,000 subscribers. Scribers that was a shame was getting you know millions of views on that one. So it is a shame that that one had to go but that that was the same thing. It was like I got to position myself and here's something that I'm willing to talk about that other people aren't so that was kind of like my angle on that and then You know I was said well in order to be a person in in in this industry and make this profitable at all. I've got a position myself as someone who people can come to for knowledge and and Trust like be someone like in that field that people can say. Oh, yeah that guy, you know that Dan bodybuilder in Thailand guy. So that's you know with the Thailand addition to the the body building. That's how I got the name bodybuilder in Island so that I would be that was my initial angle was that I was going like, okay. I'm a bodybuilder I offer like bodybuilding and fitness information. Plane flying overhead, but in addition to that I'm in Thailand. So it added like my own special Twist on it. And that was how I was thinking of separating myself and that's how I separated myself from other people. That's how I got people. I came up with something memorable by doing that so it's like oh, yeah that that that that Thailand guy that that bodybuilder in Thailand guy that oh, yeah that Dan. Bodybuilder over there in Thailand guy or you know, people could say that and Peep then people would think. Oh, yeah, I recognize that so little some information about my life to open up this episode of the steroids podcast and hope you guys enjoyed learning that about me now, you know a lot more about me, you know, if you've been listening to the steroids podcast now, it's I mean, we're at like what like ten hours like at least like 10 hours of listening now, so I'm sure if you've listened this far. you will wondered what does that guy Dan doing over there in Thailand? All right. Let's get on to some questions. First question of the day is Billy Bones. And Billy Bones asks Dan. Hope all is well. Rather. Thanks, man. I'm doing good. Been loving your podcast real good content. Quick question. Do you think Nick Wright is natural? He's a he's a YouTuber. He's a power lifter and sometimes natural body builder on on YouTube been around for a lot of years. I know he was but after seeing him totally smashed a six-wheel squat it got me thinking five hundred eighty five pounds under 200 pounds. What do you think 405 bench too? Yeah, this guy's always look natural to me. His muscles look like pillows. They do not look like shapely and hard and muscular the way that steroid users muscles do like they don't look steroid ish at all. And then when he died, it's down for his bodybuilding competitions. He looks he resembles a holocaust victim like he doesn't look muscular all he looks like he's on the verge of death. So And just like so whittled away and and just like futile like it looks horrible. It looks horrible. So what I don't think he's on anything and I think this God's true natural because I see him die down for those bodybuilding competitions. I'm like, oh my god, dude. Oh my God. You're it's like it's not it's not a It's not a good thing man. It's not a good sight to see you don't want to see somebody looking like that looking so close to just withering away. So I don't think that he is natural. Sorry. I don't think he's on steroids or Psalms or anything, but he's been Lifting for like years man like more than a decade and he's always been pretty damn strong. Like I know he doesn't look muscular. Like he looks like a strong natural guy. He's not so small and scrawny like that when he's not died down for a competition. He's more like and he's another guy that I think he looks a little bit bigger in real life than he does over the camera because he doesn't have like muscular shape or anything and you can't see muscular arms. You just see kind of big puffy arms. It's hard to gauge how big that looks in real life. Usually people that look like that on camera looks significantly just larger like larger overall people when you see them in real life rather than guys who are who have a really muscular build or have a really muscular look or hard look to their arms and stuff like that in pictures. Sometimes you'll see them in real life and they're not quite as big as they looked in the pictures. So that's how that kind of is and then the other thing is that yeah, he's been strong for a long time and he's never made like really quick progress. I was majorly impressed because after you sent me this I went and That that 585 Squat and yeah that was heavy as shit and he did it clean too. So I mean that is pretty impressive like and I was I was like, wow good job man, you know that is so strong being under 200 pounds to him being able to do that. I'll tell you like that's not impossible. That's not impossible. I don't think I don't think that would be impossible to be able to be able to do that naturally. Some people are really strong because of the way that their tendons and muscle insertions and bones are set up because they have better leverage has you know, if you if you're like holding a wrench a small wrench, you can't pull as hard of when you're trying to like take a nut off of like the wheel on your car with a small wrench. That's like you have to push so hard and it's probably impossible. You got to get something with a bigger handle and then it gives you bigger leverage and you don't have to push as hard and able to exert more Force so different parts, like if someone's tendon for their muscle inserts on a different area of the bone than another person like further down like the the humerus arm bone or further down the femur leg bone or something, you know, and they get a better leverage because of the angle of that tendon to the Bone they can be significantly stronger than other people because of those leverage effects and you know, where your polling On the bone in the way that the bones are positioned in in a in a in adjacent to other bones. So that's why some guys are just like so freakishly strong and it doesn't make sense or they're really like skinny sometimes and you see them and they're really strong and and it's like what the hell these guys have leverage advantages where we're there. They've got great leverage on some of their bones and muscles and they're able to exert more Force. Because of those great leverages like they're the force that they generate with their muscles generates. It's more efficient in transmitting that Force to the the weights that they're lifting. So that's what I think about him. Does he have contacts that use roids? Yeah, he does. Is it possible that he used some roids to get up to this lift? Yeah, it's possible. Is it possible that he still doesn't look like he's on roids. Well, I don't think he had a Shirt off. So how would anyone know you know, it's possible that he used some roads to get up to this lift. But you know with this guy other than this lift, I've never seen anything. That would make me I mean zero that would make me think that he was on roids. This is a little bit like, whoa, that's really impressive. I wouldn't say it's impossible. So that's my opinion on him. That's my opinion on Nick right natural body builder YouTube celebrity. All right next question. kitchen Is Kyle and he says some research chemical sites have extreme DMZ with the ingredients listed as dimethyl. Dimethyl Zine and methyl Standalone. Do you think these are not bunk? I thought they were banned do they have any usefulness and at what dosages? Yeah. So these are designer steroids that you know designer steroids, like super jaw or that One epis tane Epi stained with a designer steroid to and then there was like the DMZ designer steroid and then a standalone. Yeah. Methyl Sten blown was a designer steroid to release by supplement companies there loophole steroids that you know, they weren't scheduled because they weren't put as drugs in on the schedule 3 controlled substance list and America back when they made that law when they made steroids illegal, they put all the known steroids that I knew about by name on that list and said these are the substances that are banned. So then designer steroids were steroids that people came up with or found from research back into studies when steroids were being research and discovered back in the 60s and 50s and then started recreating them again, that weren't on that list. They weren't on that list of the band steroid. So they they skipped over the lawn where they would then say like this has a natural way of being found in nature. Sell them as dietary supplements. So so that's how people that's how things like super draw or like m1t. Methyl 1 testosterone was sold in in the supplement stores. And so these two that you're asking about methyl Sten ballon and extreme d-ends DMZ. These were like that. So these ones I think they've been mentioned I think. They've been mentioned by the FDA like these are not okay to sell and you may be prosecuted for selling them. But I don't think that the they are in the law yet that that these are illegal steroids to sell. So I think this this company if you're finding them it's probably legit and it's it's like they've been told by the government like you can't sell this and they're doing anyway, but I don't think it's actually Legal substance that they're selling. So I think they're taking a big risk selling that. That's what I think. But yeah, they are they're both steroids. Dimethyl. Zine is to Super Draw molecules bound together by some kind of chemical bond. And so you do get some when the when that bond gets broken you get some super draw in your blood and then some other some other kind of steroid molecule. I think it's I think it's just like the methods in part or something like that. That's why it says, dimethyl Zine to two molecules. All's it has the Super jaw molecules attached. So it's really strong. Yeah, it's really strong really strong steroids. Methyl stand alone is a strong steroid to and yeah, I think they're probably useful and I think that they're probably legit if being sold from that place. I think that place is taking a risk taking a risk a pretty big risk selling that that other these are not willing to do and that's why other companies stopped selling those products. Next question is from Samuel and he asks injection protocol when injecting twice per week for a total of 700 milligrams Prima Bolin 700 milligrams test an ante a lot of oil but not enough injection spots to heal by the next rotation. Can I inject for cc in the same spot? Like Lutzer lats? My lats tents up for days post pinning. Thank you, bro. Okay. I think that the lattice is The greatest injection site because it's near your armpit. It's near a skin fold. So you're getting sweat that makes bacteria go right in that area frequently. So I just don't think it's a good idea injecting into a place that of your body that has a lot of bacteria on it. Although of course, you use alcohol to clean it off before you start. It just seems like the logical way to approach it would be to avoid areas of your body that are known for having lots of bacteria in those spots to be injection spots. So 700 milligrams of pre mobile. And so that's going to be 700 that's going to be 7 cc's of pre mobile and per week. So that's seven cc's in a syringe and usually a syringe is three milliliter syringe he's asking can I inject? CeCe in the same spot like glutes. Yeah, you can you can do A5 cc injection into your glutes, but that's going to cause quite a lot of swelling and irritation and just not something I'd want to do also it's uncommon to use V CC syringes and I mean three cc's is enough. I don't want to put more than that. I mean you could do that if you wanted because you'd need three cc's of tests and ante and three cc's of pre mobile and and you'd need Sorry, you'd need three cc's of testosterone and ante per week and seven cc's of pre mobile and per week to do this cycle. So that's ten CCS. So if you did like 5cc injection twice per week, man, that would suck. I wouldn't do it like that. The way that I would do is I'd use a 3 cc syringe the normal the normal size syringe and I would put hmm, I would put Yeah, this is what I would do. I will go three cc's of Preamble and twice per week. So that would be six hundred milligrams. And then on the same day that I did the three cc's of Preamble Prima Bolin. I would just do the the test ananth 81.5 in milliliters. So it would be 350 milliliters. Of or 375 milliliters so ended up being 750 milligrams of testosterone per week. And I would do that both of those twice per week and have it be 600 milligrams of Prima blonde because that's like that's the only way that you can do that and have it be normal. Another way that you could do. It would be to inject 900 milligrams of pre mobile and each week or something like that. I mean There's no real way to put this stuff to put this stuff out. You just gotta figure out how much it is. All right 10 CC's. So you're going to do maybe three ccs and just overload the syringe a little bit three times per week or something like that. If you've got 10 cc's to do or you could just you know, add in another injection and make it 12 CCS or something or another section of the end the week if you weren't about like having the injections wanting to minimize that that and you know always be in thinking about this kind of shit. That's that's not the things that are the big things that you should really be thinking about in order to make bodybuilding happen. These things are like insignificant or like wanting to have that 100 milligrams extra of steroids in there or being like Oh, yeah, you know taking 300 milligrams of testosterone per week instead of 200 milligrams of testosterone per week is going to really make any difference not really or even less like Milligrams of testosterone or 600 milligrams of testosterone you won't be able to tell the difference. So stressing about stuff like that or stressing about like, oh, I don't want to do a lot of injections. You just got to do whatever is necessary because these kinds of things it's not the it's not this kind of stuff that you should be spending a lot of time thinking about and trying to worry about them because it's insignificant for the gains in the long run. So I mean if I had 700 milligrams of Premium ball into do I would just do two to three CC syringes syringes full of Preamble and per week and I would do those on like Monday and Thursday and then on Sunday, what I would probably do is I take a one milliliter insulin syringe and I'd put in one more milliliter of Preamble and on Sunday to make seven hundred milligrams, or maybe I wouldn't do that and instead I just do an injection of testosterone, you know, one one and a half CCS with At 7th hundred million at 7th hundred milligram. So an extra 1 cc plus 1 Point 1 cc Prima Boleyn and one point five ccs testosterone in the syringe for a total of 2 and 1/2 ccs and then that would be that 700 milligrams total of Prima Boleyn when it was added to the three CC syringes approval in that I did on Monday and Thursday and then on Monday. or not on Thursday I'd have to add another shot. So in addition to that 3cc shot of Prima Bolin, I'd also have to do another shot on Thursday and it would have to be a separate syringe because there wouldn't be enough room in the three cc syringe it have to be a separate syringe and it would have to be filled with 1.5 ccs of testosterone and that's how I would get 2 3 cc's of testosterone per week and 700 milligrams of Prima Boleyn per week. They have to be two injections on Thursday a testosterone injection and a preamble and injection Monday would just be 3 CCS Primo Bolin. And then Sunday would be one cc Prima Bowlin with one-and-a-half Cece's testosterone. That's the only way to make it make sense taking some math here doing some math with you Samuel. All right. Next question. Joel asks drugs for John Skywalker's physique. John Skywalker has an Instagram model and Is honest about his drug dosages so you can look on his on his pictures on his profile and he had some lists of the drugs and dosages that he uses which is usually true and Malone around 300 milligrams per week and testosterone at a similar dosage with some cabergoline and he's been doing that for years and he's pretty much look the same throughout the years and I would say that he could probably even get a little bit bigger. Than he is on that same dosage and still be as ripped, but he's really tall. So it's probably hard for him to put on a lot of mass. He's like six foot four. So those guys they burn through calories a lot faster than if you're 5 foot 10 or something like that. So it's hard for them to put on mass. But yeah, his dosage is that he says that he uses her totally accurate. He's not he's not pulling the the blinds over anyone he is you know, he is And then I don't think that Boston Lloyd is a good person to be spending a lot of time around he seems like a really negative person and you know, not my kind of guy but he does tell the honest truth about those judges and like what it takes to make certain physiques and stuff with dosages. He is saying accurately so that's another guy that says it accurately All right. So, yeah, if you want to look like John Skywalker and know his drugs, yeah one cc of testosterone propionate and 1cc test Trend below Dan and tremble own acetate every other day. So that would be a hundred milligrams of both testosterone propionate and a hundred milligrams of trend Malone acetate every other day for a total of 350 milligrams each per week. Those are the steroids that you would need then you An anti estrogen pill like eczema stain aromasin and you need to take a few of those at 25 milligrams is each pill and you need to take a few of those per week. And in order to have a functioning sex drive to you'd need to have cabergoline and you need to be taking .5 half milligram tablets two to three times per week. Something like Monday Wednesday Friday or Tuesday Thursday, something like that. And then with the the eggs I messed and the anti-estrogen. Ian tablets, it's also called a row Missin You know taking those like Monday Wednesday Friday something like that. Then that would look like the complete cycle. And then when you were done, you know HCG, by the way is the best PCT drug, so I would definitely have HCG and I'd also have Clomid Clomid after the cycle had take that for around four weeks at 25 to 50 milligrams per day, and I'd take the HCG intramuscular injection from an insulin syringe. I'd take that 2 to 3000 I use per week and I'd split that into two or three I jack injections each 1000 IU injection and that would be my PCT had maintained that for about a month doing those things. So that's how personally I would run a cycle that was like the cycles that John Skywalker uses for his physique Sam he asks, do you know if I have to PCT after a provirus cycle? I heard it's not suppressive to the to the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis. That's the the system of your body the hormone system feedback loop that controls your fertility and your your sex hormones. So basically controls your testicles their feedback loop called it abbreviated HPT a yeah, so probe iron doesn't really suppress testosterone. I know that seems kind of weird because it's It's a steroid. It's not a steroid that builds muscle. It only has androgenic effects, which means it only acts in tissues other than muscle and it's very similar almost identical to DHT dihydrotestosterone your your normal Androgen your normal Androgen that does everything in your body for mail for a male body and male hormones except for in the muscles. So probe. Ayran is like a Oral substitute for this but it does, you know if testosterone isn't being decreased in the body which in studies that show that guy's taken probe. Ayran. They don't have a decrease in testosterone levels at least not significantly and that's at like 25 to 50 milligrams per day. It just adds to their total hormonal load and I've seen some of my friends take the stuff. You know, I told you guys in one of the podcasts about like Friends and Thailand or something and occasion would be like men that looks cool like the kind of lifestyle that taken steroids helps you to live and they're like, is there anything I can take and sometimes I'd be like, you know that if they would really be insistent, but I knew that they weren't like a consistent gym goer you know, and it would just mess up their life. I'd be like, you know what there is something at the pharmacy. There's this stuff called probe. Ayran. So if you take that like 50 milligrams per day, it won't spread. Is your natural testosterone much and you know, it'll give you a crazy sex drive and it might give you some acne and oily skin but like compulsive sex drive, you know, it's going to be like compulsive sex drive in your face man, because this stuff provirus goes right to your brain in the main effect that you see is like more oily skin and some acne or like deep cystic acne and even in a guy like myself that doesn't get acne and then like sexual like come. Oceans this happens in every one by the way, you know, it's like it's like damn I'm not trying to become some kind of like masturbating freak over here or something, you know, and that's at like 50 to 75 or even a hundred milligrams per day of probe. Ayran will do that and Master on injectable Master on will do the same thing really has strong effects on the sex drive. That is like what the heck it's like the area of your brain is just stimulated all day long as freaking crazy. It's really weird. But yeah, they take that they would take that and they'd be like damn this shit works. So then they tell their friends and then more of their friends with start running. It is got a bunch of guys, but it's meant for old guys. It's meant for guys like years ages 60 70 80 years old to be able to like have sex drive. That's the reason for the tablets like help them have like Vitality energy and sex drive. So when young guys take is like out of control, dude, Haha, this is no exaggeration. All right next question. Blue STI ass. Hey, Dan. What do you like better and of our Winstrol? Which one gives the best effects? What's good dosages and your favorite? Yeah. I like wind strong because Winstrol is pretty good stuff Winstrol is really good. It has a big effect on nutrient partitioning. So I mean just taking the tablets you'll start to get a little bit leaner at like 50 to a hundred milligrams per day anywhere between those dosages when combined with at least, you know, one or two cc's of testosterone per week. You'll start to get like significantly stronger. Her too, and it'll also fill your muscles out and give them a more bursting against the skin. But also it just gives a really good look like a really good heart hardening of the muscles and helping them to look look awesome. Look hard and muscular. That's what Winstrol does it helps you to be strong have good nutrient partitioning. So it's harder to gain fat. It's easier to lose fat and it's also pretty good for gaining like a lot of strength and also good for gaining muscle size and does all those things at the same time. Is it as strong as Trend? No, not even anywhere close to strongest trying but this stuff works and it's really good stuff. So it you know, some people say it's like a trend ballon light. I mean, yeah, it's another one of those drugs that you know, it's a component it carries some of the same qualities of trend, but it doesn't give the same. Overall effect is Trend blown by a long shot like trembling like kills it when you compare it like head-to-head, you know, but it does have some of those same effects. So it's great. Yeah. I loved it. I loved ones draw. This is not medical advice. It's just me sharing me sharing my opinion me sharing my opinion and experience and not glorifying not glorifying this at all. For building muscle, it's very good. And then anavar it it's just not as strong man. The thing with anavar though is it's more healthy than any other steroid, you know, you can get sick on one straw from taking it for too long or for too high of a dosage, but that doesn't happen that much. It's really like not like super toxic or anything but then anavar is even less toxic like, you know, some people get headaches on anavar is actually do get headaches on anavar from anywhere above like 30 or The grams per day and that doesn't really do much at all. You got to take at least 50 milligrams of legit and of our to make it like make a big difference and make you be like, yeah, I feel this stuff for sure and I'm noticing the effects. It's got to be, you know, legit and of our dogs and Rollin and it's got to be over 50 milligrams. That's that's the way it is and you know, people say lower that's not true. So that's the way that is it also helps. You look better helps. You look more cut up. It's not quite as sharp as sharp and suck down suck down and blown up from within at the same time. Look as Winstrol. It's it's not really a sucked down. Look at all. It's more of a volumizing looked and of our has and can in combination with a nice a nice chiseled look, but it doesn't have any of that sucked down quality to it. And it's more of just like a nice boost. It's a nice boost it helps you get stronger. Yeah, but it's just not like Winstrol were Winstrol is like that's a pretty hard hit, you know, like you take one strong things. Big time, you know, they don't change to the absolute most extreme that they possibly could you know, but they do change like things seriously change in your your your bodybuilding life when you get on Winstrol and anavar is more like turbocharging what you've already got going. That's the best way that I could I could write it write it like that, but you can stay on and of are a lot longer and not get sick at all. So and anavar is processed by the kidneys not the liver. So that's another thing about it is it's stresses a different part of your body, then most oral steroids. They actually prescribe it for helping people recover recover their their Liver Health after getting like fatty liver disease from from alcoholism and the doctors sometimes prescribed them and of our to help them grow their livers back. Alright, the next question is Sy asked starts on Cut mix test Trend Master on. Okay. Testosterone tremble own and Mast Ron are all hormones that have value and bodybuilding the master on for me. It's not comfortable to use Master on so I don't really like Master on myself it just you know, it makes my skin get like this thick oil slick on the top of it. It looks good. And you know it helps, you know, it looks great the way that it makes your muscles like more defined and shiny but it also has that the extreme sex drive quality that is you know, that's really annoying and distracting trying to get stuff done and it you know, it's just whatever it's black because it doesn't build any muscle at all build 0 its deactivated and muscle tissue by an enzyme called 3 beta hydroxy steroid dehydrogenase. And so it doesn't build muscle at all. It just has effects like on your skin and on your mind and shit like that. I don't like it some people, you know, since it increases your sex drive and some people have well most people most everybody at some point and at what dosage will have Drive issues on tremble on so Master on using that to kind of try and override that that's that's the one of the main reasons that it's used and then adding that to the adding to that look that it gives with your skin and the Really dense oil slick oil layer. It's a really dense layer of oil that shines as a special way of shining making your your skin and the definition of your muscles look good, but But so generally that's that's Master on but I don't like getting these things that are three different steroids in one vial for one thing. It's not as healthy because in order to get it like that they got to put all kinds of like solvents and shit in there and they're using all these synthetic chemicals to get that stuff all dissolved into it. So then these things that are these mixes like a hundred milligrams of testosterone a hundred milligrams tremble on a hundred milligrams Master on and 1 cc and then 10 Seas of that in a vial called cut mix that's usually that's usually what you just call it underground labs and that stuff is notorious for causing like infections and swelling and like pain at the injection site and like all kinds of problems because they have to use heavy solvents and stuff to get that stuff diluted a lot of chemicals a lot of synthetic chemicals to get that stuff all diluted down into one cc of oil and it's probably some Feta coil 2 and then 2 it's just not good stuff. And who knows if they're putting all the dosages in there correctly? Anyways, I'd rather draw from a vial or ampoule ampules are usually always better than vials, by the way because with ampules, you know, they had to put a lot of effort into that to get, you know ampules of the steroids made. So these people aren't really cutting Corners like they're really putting a lot into getting these ampules out of glass. Manufactured with their steroids locked inside the glass, you know, they're not just, you know, getting some freaking steroid bullshit powder and then mixing it up and slapping it in a violent crimping it with their hand, right? They actually had to go through a huge like Machinery process to get these ampules made so generally ampules are more likely to be legit than vials. That's just the way it is and you know, but usually this stuff this this mix, you know, what if it's not Not a hundred milligrams of test Trend and Master on in each vial. What if they are under dosing some of the chemicals in there? I just feel like they would probably have because these are not high integrity guys who are you know manufacturing UGL steroids, you know, like if you want high integrity, you need to only use Pharma grade, especially with injections, but you know, you can't be thinking you got to be thinking, you know, what kind of corners of these guys going to be cutting on me, so I'm not doing that. Okay, personally, I'm not doing that by now. Cut mix that's what I think of it. Dylan asks. What do you think of injectables arms, man? I saw this and I'm like what the hell is that? You know what's arms are totally orally orally absorbable. So why would you need and they don't stress your liver either when you absorb them. So why the hell would you need to inject something that absorbs like more than 90% by putting it through your mouth that makes no sense at all like Just because you love injecting yourself. I'm like what the hell is this? So like that was one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard of injecting saw arms. That's just fucking stupid like somebody is like pulling your ass around if you're if you're injecting Starnes man, some kind of needle Pusher some kind of person who is like just like loves needles and giving themselves injections is going to be the type is like I gotta find a way to inject everything reminds me of people who are like Finding like a stuff to like stick up their asses and shit or people who were like going to their grandma's house and like stealing opioids and start shooting them up their ass and shit like that. I'm like what the fuck is trying to push it all up their ass, like what the hell man. So anyways next question. That's what I think about injectibles arms. Jordan says, I want to know your thoughts on something. So I was on test Trend Master on and Winnie is common. Common Cycles guys for for looking looking good and getting contest getting ripped up shit like that. Everything is finished except. I'm still running 600 test an aunt that until the end of the month, even though everything else has been done for a while. Now. I feel stronger my veins are popping more. I feel much Fuller being off of everything else. But the testosterone also have skin itching problems that that went away. They went away after he went off in his just on the test the testosterone now, okay. Yeah. Why why did your cycle gets stronger when you went off? Other stuff but stayed on the testosterone you're probably toxic. You're probably having some health issues while you run all the other stuff and so steroids is all about being able to process your food at maximum efficiency. Okay, they changed the environment in your body and how it processes food to handle it and push put on muscle tissue Etc and response to the to the food and the training. So if your digestive organs aren't working good because they're under stress from you know taking trend. Alone, and and when straw or Master on or whatever then the stairs the steroids even though they're in your body and they're they're making the helping that environment be very anabolic. It's like if the digestive organs aren't functioning at a top right then everything is fucked. So that's like the importance of being healthy and being on steroids. That's why a lot of times when guys are bulking to that like if you notice a lot of Pros when they're bulking they're not like so loaded up on so many compounds and stuff. It's usually like the like testosterone and deca or testosterone and equipoise or usually those or sometimes tremble own to being pushed up at really high dosages and then and then like just little bits of a couple orals. Like I don't know a hundred milligrams of Anna doll or 200 milligrams of Anna doll or a hundred milligrams of Dianabol being added to that and then, you know just using growth hormone insulin and no other drugs when they're doing the bulking phase because they're trying to stay. Like not toxic because when you get toxic, it really makes the steroids not work good when those digestive organs are under stress and your body's under stress from being toxic. It makes everything get shit on as far as building muscle. So that's what I think probably happened there with you also the skin itching problems is a sign that you're toxic your body is toxic and under a lot of stress from the steroids you're taking when that happens. You'll notice it because your your immune system starts. Lowered and you'll start getting like little like allergic reactions. Like you'll notice some people will notice hives or like little like bumps of like itching red little like Hive type things on their fingers or something like that because they're there their immune system their immune system gets lowered from the toxicity. It's not working as well and then like little things or like the presence of all the gear in their body stuff like that will be causing more of an allergic response by the body and a freakout and sometimes they'll get these little hives and little itchy itchy bits to the skin as sort of an allergic reaction their threshold for irritation and and having allergies allergies things like that or getting sick gets lowered as the toxicity from the steroids or performance enhancing drugs is high and then these little irritations their body has a bigger response than when they happen. Our next question is from Bojack. My question is would this be an okay Cruz 150 milligrams test an anti per week 100 milligrams equipoise per week don't want to have 250 test and an update because I Aroma taste quite a bit no guy. No, but a lot of water retention face bloat and don't want to use aromatase Inhibitors because of cholesterol using anti estrogen room tase Inhibitors like Arimidex XMS 10 not Not existing actually but a Robotics and letters all they hurt your cholesterol levels. But XMS Dana is actually okay for your cholesterol levels and he says, what are your thoughts on this? And yeah, so equipoise doesn't it doesn't really cause any estrogen increases because the estrogen that it does create when it interacts with the aromatase enzyme the aromatize enzyme is that thing floating around in your blood that when it interacts with some steroids it can transform them into estrogen molecules. So the estrogen molecule that boys transforms into a Strahan it's not very potent. So you don't really feel an increase of estrogen using equipoise. So, I mean, I don't see a problem with what you're doing personally. I think the point of a cruise though is to let your body like completely detox is equipoise going to like be toxic for your body. No, and you can probably get all your blood work to like looking great on that dosage like it's up to you. experiment with it and then see what you can do and if you can get healthy on it, but you know the point of a cruise I always try to remind myself this the point of a cruise is that you're trying to get back to full health and give your body a break and not be running anything that is going to be toxic or hard on your system because you know if you've been using roids for a long time, and I'm sure that you have you know, your you've got your you've got a handle on what you're doing with the gear and everything and you know, I can Now that you know what you're doing then I know that for you and for everybody else that uses gear for a while as soon as you get back on cycle dude. It's like it's like you blow up like even if you do get small or you know, quite shrunken down or something off of cycle. It's like as soon as you go on again, it's like three weeks and you're just boom back to where you were before and since the whole goal in the whole reason for coming off and doing the crews in the first place is to like get completely healthy and Lately recover from the stress of being on steroids. I just think that you know, whatever you do, if you use the equipoise with the testosterone or not. Just remember the whole point behind why you're cruising in the first place. It's to get completely healthy and remove all stresses from your system. So make sure that what you're doing reflects progress towards those goals and usually those goals and knowing that what you're doing is good for them can be reflected in your blood work and doing things like taking your blood pressure. Those two things. Next question is from Johnson. He says I was wondering what is the average amount of steroid cycles? Someone takes till their natural pre-cycle testosterone levels never come back say if they still follow proper protocol of HCG, Clomid Nova decks and a I use. Yeah. So in the last episode of the steroids podcast podcast number 9, I talked about, you know, how birth control works and how birth control pills are estrogenic progestogen Xterra woods and how the And why they make women infertile as the same reason as steroid intergenic steroids, like testosterone and other steroids make men infertile. So it's the same reason and you know, there's a spectrum and how long the women have taken the birth control to that matters, you know and how long it takes to get their fertility back now some of them, you know, they're on it for years and then they stopped and their fertility comes right back, you know, like in a month or two months, but then others of them, you know, it takes like three to five years before they get their fertility back and some of them to they also Need therapy, like know the decks and tamoxifen Clomid and HCG and also follicle-stimulating hormone, which is which is called menopausal. Gonadotropin hormone. Yeah. Menopausal human gonadotropin hormone. Yeah HMG, that's what it's called. Hm G is the injectable form of follicle-stimulating hormone. And that one's more important for women's fertility than for men's Fertility HCG or the analog for luteinizing hormone, which is the natural hormone in the body is the more important chemical for men's fertility. So, you know when when a woman is infertile from taking birth control and she goes to a fertility doctor to and they start giving her drugs, you know for that. It's the same drugs that you know menus for PCT because our systems work on the same principles so you can usually always no matter what get Again, and you know if you just take like three thousand I use of HCG for a few weeks. I mean, it's going to make your testicles start functioning. That's just the way it works. So I don't really, you know, there's there's guys who can get hypo gonadal four years from using and become sterile or infertile and have low testosterone for years because of using steroids, but you know if they go to a fertility doctor Or they do things like using Nova decks, Clomid HCG and HMG human menopausal gonadotropin as a last resort. But if you're using all those things like I mean, you're going to be fertile at least while you're using them, you know it the steroids. They don't destroy your testicles. They just turn them off. There's no signal anymore going to them to make them stop to make them work. So then they're not creating anything. They're not creating any sperm. They're not creating any testosterone there. They're like latent like in hibernation and they shrink up but they don't get destroyed and then when you start when you use like HCG, or you stop taking steroids and use PCT drugs, then they go back to normal size. So me personally I'm always creating sperm and testosterone because I take 500 I use of HCG per week. And that's enough I take that I take that year-round. I never stopped taking it when I'm off steroids and when a monster is always am on it and that keeps my my testicles working on normal as natural. So that's what I do. Next question is from Ronald. What are your thoughts on using MK 6 7 oral growth hormone along with human growth hormone to be more cost-effective along with packing a bigger igf-1 Spike. I think that totally makes sense. I think like, you know waking up in the morning and taking a shot of injectable human growth hormone and then taking an MK 6 7 Oven like 10 to 25 or 30 milligrams before going to sleep at night. I think that that would have like a considerable effect on growth hormone because all your growth hormone naturally is released at night anyways, so if you took that before going to bed, you know, if there was any negative inhibition of growth hormone release because of injecting that synthetic growth hormone in the morning then you know growth hormones pretty much done done its job and out of the body 12 hours after injection, so it would have been long enough and if there was any He kind of like layover from that then taking the MK 6 7 7 would be enough signal for your pituitary gland to release that natural growth hormone. And I mean that totally makes sense to me. I haven't tried it but I've been thinking I've been thinking about it. I've been thinking the same as you I've been thinking that sounds like that would be good. And so it's thinking of the logic of it and yeah, it sounds all logical to me. It sounds like a great way to take take growth hormone shots and then Sighs your own growth hormone production at the same time and we cost-effective that makes sense to me. Next question is from Chris. Is there a way to hack boost natural testosterone into the high normal reference range long term without injecting testosterone. What a cycle of HCG or anything else do that over the only boost its short-term. Yeah taking HCG you can you can make your natural testosterone levels get up to like as high as if you are on steroids. But that will be temporary and then you'll desensitize your testicles to the effects of HCG. And then when you go off of HCG, then your normal luteinizing hormone won't be enough to stimulate your testicles at all and you'll have low testosterone levels until your testicles re sensitized to the effects of luteinizing hormone again, because of if you have used HCG, so that's why you wouldn't want to do that. But taking Nova decks taking Nova decks at like 20 to 40 milligrams per day will double your testosterone your natural testosterone. It has some other effects too, which are negative effects such as like lowering like igf-1, which is a muscle building chemical at the same time. But I mean it does it does double your testosterone levels, but there's nothing that you can take, you know, that's going to give you results like Steroids other than steroids and you know things that are like steroids like pro hormones or saw arms or steroids things that act on your hormone receptors. There's nothing that's going to give you nothing that boosts natural testosterone or boost your own testosterone production. Nothing is going to do that. You can't get natural those natural production of hormones. It never becomes anything near the way that putting synthetic hormones from outside the body and injecting. Them into your body or taking them orally through your body. That's way way stronger and that's how you get the effects of being on performance-enhancing drugs. Your natural body will never produce enough hormones or potent enough hormones all at the same time or whatever. They need in order to look like you're on drugs when you're not that's just not reality. All right. The next question is from net program. Hey, bro want to ask you something regarding performance enhancing drugs as I'm a natural athlete. I think this guy maybe from India and I'm organizing a natural competition in our state as a plate as a platform for natural athletes who are using performance-enhancing drug. Okay says he's organizing a competition for Naturals but performance-enhancing drug using athletes are entering the natural bodybuilding competition. According to your knowledge what test would be the best test for such athletes as I'm not against steroids. I just wanted to give a platform for natural athletes. Yeah. Yeah, so he's wondering how to keep steroid users out. So so yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So the thing is is that the tests for the urine tests those don't work because you can stop taking steroids a couple days before if it's a certain type of steroids and then then you won't have a bad. Test unless you were taking the steroids, you know, like a few days before or a couple weeks before something you want to do something where it's going to have a more longer-term effect than that. The best way to do that is a lie detector test people can still beat lie detector tests and you know past them even if they're lying, but they have to study a lot and practice a lot to be able to make that happen and I don't think the guys that are going to be getting tested for the competition you're holding are going to be doing that. So if you do a lie detector test you can ask them questions like like have you ever used steroids and they'll be connected to the the lie detector test and if they say no their body it will know the the test will know and say because their body will let out signals that says I'm lying right now your body has certain reaction side when you lie and tell the truth. And so that that lie detector test is going to be way more effective. Then something where you can test their urine because like for example stuff like Toronto ball that used to not be able to be detected for more than three days after taking the last tablet of the Toronto ball steroid. And then in 2016, they discovered a new metabolites of that one. So now they can detect it for like three weeks after you've taken the last tablet but still I mean that's how far back the technology is and in detecting steroid use and blood in urine. It's it's really Early primitive and it's not very good. So the best way that you can prevent having people on performance-enhancing drugs in your natural athletes show is to do a lie detector. Test great question now prom thank you for asking. That was a great question, bro. Nick says your opinion or experiences on test 400. Yeah. This is kind of the same opinion that I have as the test mix where they are the sorry the cup mix where they mix the test the trend and the master on in the same vial they have to use a little lot of solvents and a lot of chemicals that are not healthy in order to make this stuff dissolve in the makes so much hormone dissolve into the little bit of oil. Because it's really potent per 1 milliliter of oil. There's a lot of potent hormones crammed into that on, you know, cut mix or testosterone 400 milligrams per milliliter, which is that's what test 400 means because the normal amount that fits into the normal solution or the normal normal solute that fits in a solution of 1 milliliter is 250 milligrams of testosterone. That's a that's a amount of milligrams that fits well in In one milliliter of oil, but in order to get more so 400 milligrams in test four hundred into that one milliliter of oil. Well, they have to put a bunch of chemicals and shit in there. And so a lot of times it has worse post injection pain and swelling and also it's just bad for your body and personally I can tell the difference. I can tell the difference big time between gear. That's Dost, you know, like low milligrams per milliliter and that feels so much more healthier and smoother for me. Then taking the high Dost milligrams per milliliter anabolic steroids. So yeah, I've used test 400 and yeah, it was really potent. It was definitely 400 milligrams per milliliter. So is the right potency but it kind of makes me feel a little bit sick and I'm not trying to do, you know, I don't want to have stuff added in there all these chemicals and shouted in there that make me sick and they're toxic to me. So I just like to use testosterone 200 or testosterone 250 milligrams. Alms per milliliter. Alright, and the last question for today is by Fraser and he has hey Dan. Can you share a fertility protocol for users who are looking to optimize their press prospects of having a child after using steroids? Yeah. I said this with with Chris and I said this with one of the questions today explained how to get fertility and that is when you use HCG and you use All the decks and you use Clomid, okay could use Nova decks at 20 milligrams per day Clomid at 50 milligrams per day and HCG at a thousand. I use three times per week could do that and that's how you could start out and then you could start ramping the dosages of all those things up if you still weren't getting fertile and if you were, you know, if you doubled or you know, if you doubled all of those dosages and for a few weeks, you still weren't fertile. Then you could do some troubleshooting by adding something in like HMG human menopausal gonadotropin and taking that at like 25 25 micrograms or something like that a couple times per week. Alright guys, that was the last question for today on the steroids podcast. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

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Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. I am back in the United States and that means the fantasy free agents podcast is back. I'm Joe Dolan. That's Tom Brawley. I'm back from Canada. I did two shows up there one with Tom one with Greg Cosell. Make sure you check those out from last week talking training camp and preseason Tom. It's draft season, buddy. Oh, yeah. This is this is the real weekend whenever it it starts to really heat up. I know you're going out to Canton this weekend for The is it the Kings legs again the Kings plastic. I'm going out to Canton. So those things those are coming up. I mean, we've already done some drafts on SiriusXM, but I do know Tha most Hometown leagues have not drafted yet. And that's why this week Tom. I'm going to say it we're going to start today and we're going to do for podcast this week. We might have to excuse me. I am going to do for podcasts, but you and I are going to do three. I'm just breaking this news to you. Oh, really? Yes, we're going to do. You are draft plan podcast this week. Okay. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to start with running backs. Today. We're going to do wide receivers tomorrow and I think on Friday we're going to do the quarterback and tight end plans together, but we are going to do our draft plan podcast today so we can have all three of those out and then we can have them to the repeat to the people before the weekends when our cheat sheets are updated. So let me remind people We are going to have everything you need to draft. We have articles up on fantasy for agents.com. Okay, Tom's been killing it with that. I've been slacking. I've got to pick my vacation last week. I was it was sort of vacation. I mean I was doing some work. I've been slacking. No, I'm just curious. I mean, you know extra podcast for both of us. So we get a you know, an extra paycheck for that or you know, what the what's the right there for the extra podcast. The rate is zero dollars. Ah, unless unless the good people choose to donate to the podcast and many of you have I'm unbelievably thankful for that and you can donate up at a fantasy for agents.com. There's a PayPal Link at the end of all of our articles and on our homepage, by the way, we are unbelievably thrilled with the response to that. I say thrilled a lot but I actually am but when we are definitely I mean it's been a little bit overwhelming. We didn't know what to expect going into this. So it's been pretty nice so far the reception so I really think you know, I can take my wife out to Now it's very nice. I'm so excited about that guys. But we want to give everybody everything they need to draft for this weekend. So we have cheat sheets up at Fantasy free agents.com people have been asking about them. They are PDF printable cheat sheets, you go to the our homepage and go to the download section Tom. We have a PPR positional tier cheat sheet Anon PPR positional cheer tears cheat sheet say that five times fast. Yeah, really easy there. We have it. Top 150 PPR cheat sheet. We have a top 115 on PPR cheat sheet and as a bonus, we have a PPR auction positional tiered cheat sheet. Okay, so we have all of that and now Tom we're going to talk you through our draft plan. We are going to talk you through our the way we draft in a snake draft and we are going to go by position. I think that is the easiest way to go and we are going to get into that very shortly. Running back position on this very podcast, but Tom we have to start with some wide receiver news Antonio Brown is a psycho. Oh, that's a breaking news there or is that more like developing news over the last three years here. So it's developing. All right. Here's the Saga if you haven't heard and if you haven't heard you've really been living under a rock. But Tom we wanted to wait until this kind of came to a head and started its day new mall before we really got into it. Well, that's what we're doing. In right now Antonio Brown a the frostbitten feet from the cryotherapy chamber. Not even the biggest news. The biggest news is he wants to wear his old helmet, which is no longer approved by the NFL. He filed a grievance to wear this old helmet. He lost that grievance at some point. He threatened apparently to retire if he wasn't allowed to use this helmet. He's not retiring but not lost the grievance Tom right before we started recording this podcast. Antonio Brown took to Twitter and asked for his old helmet model and said he'll send back an autograph Traders helmet in return. Yeah. I mean it's on Twitter asking for this. Yeah, if anybody out there has a large shut, you know the model that he's looking to get in contact with Antonio Brown. I think he should get a little bit more than it's a signed helmet G's think you should get like a trip out to the Training camp and I think the Raiders would probably pitch in for that expense. But you know, this has been quite the roller coaster who would have guessed that, you know, the whole helmet Saga would be even more crazy than you know, Antonio Brown freezing his feet in the in a chamber. I mean look, I understand. Why okay, he's an all-time great in terms of production Tom and this piece of equipment on the field that it's an extension of your body. Okay, I understand. I he wouldn't would rebel against this. However, he said well, they're given special treatment to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers who also wore a I don't want to say the same helmet but also wore an old style. That's no longer approved. They changed their helmets. I was gonna say they also had the update their yeah, they have to get the newer models. This isn't like, you know, there's not like the Old grandfathering Law, you know, I mean, I'm thinking back to like the The Shield the visors for like hockey. Layers back in the day like if you started in the league and he didn't, you know, you didn't have to wear them. I mean, this is a universal, you know for everybody and I think the whole retirement talk that was just, you know, a negotiation but you know, he was trying to to Bluff the the NFL and you know, they can't make an exception for one player. So, you know now it's it looks like it's finally settling down here. I guess he's going to try to find one of these updated models from the last 10 years and I guess that we will start to see him actually on the practice field and on the field for week one here. It sounds like the foot ailment won't shouldn't hinder him for too much longer here either. So Adam schefter and Mike Florio reporting that this is today, August 13th. He is reporting to the Raiders today. So it's not a problem with the Raiders. Apparently Tom. Just this has nothing to do with the Raiders. This just has to do with his personal grievances with himself. And with the NFL. That being said Tom. I know we'll talk about the wide Draft plan tomorrow on Wednesdays podcast. What the hell are you doing with Antonio Brown you have first say and well essentially you have final say for our wide receiver rankings. We do collaborate but you have final say what are you doing with Antonio Brown? Where are you comfortable drafting? This guy? I'm still really haven't moved him down much. He's after my Kevin's here for a swim. You know, he's the wide receiver night. I still think there's a little bit of a gulf between, you know, you know Evans and Brown's tear with like Keenan Allen and Ty Hilton and those guys I don't think this is really threatening Week 1 but it does speak to the mental state of Antonio Brown, you know, maybe you know, he pulled the Antics at the end of last year where he skipped the game. So, you know anything is kind of possible with him, but he still he still one of the Supreme Talent at the position, so I can't knock him down too far, but it's not certainly not the most settling thing. Having him on your roster. You never know what he's going to do week to week. Well look Tom if he was still on the Steelers and he was a model citizen. He's a top five pick, right? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he's up there with probably Hopkins and Adams as a top-three pick if not above them. So he might be the number one. So you're already getting the new quarterback and the crazy discount with Antonio Brown your it's a essentially Tom. It's around and a half discount right now. From what? But he typically would be so that discounts already built in the question is is that this count enough? Yeah. I don't know. I mean he has the the talent and the skill level to be the wide receiver one this year if everything works out, but you know, he also could go off the deep end and you know play in four games and retire or something. So there is a little bit of floor coming in here with all the crazy that's you know, been surrounding him for the last, you know, basically since last summer so I mean there is a lot bigger floor here a lot lower floor for Antonio Brown there than there ever has been with him and the last seven years Tom. We're going to get into the wide receiver and we're we're wide receiver draft plan and where will draft a Antonio Brown tomorrow but right now without further Ado, let's get into our running back draft plan. What's up listeners? 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So go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis for your fantasy football and bedding needs. Tom there is a Mount Rushmore at the running back position. It's a qualm Berkeley Christian McCaffrey Alvin Kamara and Ezekiel Elliott, whatever whatever way you want to rank those guys, that's the Mount Rushmore if you have or and for pretty much the entire offseason if you have had a number if you have had a top for pick you've drafted one of those guys and whatever preference. You know, we have our rankings up. But if you told me you preferred one of those guys over the other three any one of them I wouldn't yell at you. That's just the way it is. That's the importance of tearing because if you have a guy that you prefer over me, that's okay. If you we have them in the same tier my question to you is if you have a top for pick right now and we're drafting today. Are you comfortable taking Ezekiel Elliott with one of those top four picks? I think I would take David Johnson if I had the fourth pick just a just a little bit of a hedge, but I know I know we were talking a little bit. I saw that you've picked Elliot ninth overall iíve taken him seventh overall. He's falling a little bit. But yeah, I think I would probably go Johnson right now at number four over them. But anytime, you know Zeke's if he gets into the bottom half of the first round and I'm definitely going, you know, definitely select them. I think this whole Hold on situation will resolve itself in the next couple weeks before the start of the season, but I just don't see Jerry Jones not paying him at some point here. So yeah, I I would had it a little bit with the i--'cause I still think David Johnson is a good, you know, good pick here at the fifth spot. But yeah, well, how are you feeling about the whole situation? I think he's not missing any games at all. And that's why I haven't moved them down. We've had them number one on our rankings all offseason. I don't think he's Missing games now if you want to hedge a little bit, I understand that but I got yelled at for taking Ezekiel Elliott at night. And of course everybody said well, that's what people that's what people said about Le'Veon Bell. It's a different situation. Tom Le'Veon Bell wasn't under contract last year now he does do is he needs to accrue more service time before he gets the free agency. So I mean it's a totally different situation here. So yeah, it's I'm I'm still taking Ezekiel, you know, if he's almost universally the fourth. Right now all those for now as you and I have said I've seen him fall farther, but I am still taking him with one of those pics right now. Now if you want if you want to take David Johnson Tom tell me why you're up on David Johnson because now I'm looking at nff see a teepee our friends at the nff. So you by the way, you could still sign up to kick Tom Bradley's ass view the show notes and you'll find out how for the two hundred thousand dollar grand prize in the road of wire online Championship, but David Johnson right now via. NFC ATP, he's sitting at an average pick of 5.50 Ezekiel Elliott is that 5.25? So those of you over the last week drafting in the NFC have agreed with Tom there Elliott and David Johnson are almost there separate tear right now after the top three Tom. Did you see enough in that preseason game that really well-designed screen to David Johnston to thank you know what Kliff Kingsbury is going to know how to use this guy or at least better than Steve wilkeson. Bonehead Steph Sam. Yeah, I didn't really see anything. I mean, I I've been pretty high on the potential of this Kingsbury offense the entire season, so that's why I you know, I feel like I can, you know take David Johnson over Elliot at this point. But yeah, I'm with you there. I don't think Elliot's missing any games, but I think there's at least a small chance that you know, it could extend into the season, you know, maybe it's a couple games or you know, there's still enough of potential for Um to miss games that I think David Johnson's a close enough talent that I would take him over. Okay, Tom. So we've established with the top five picks. I'm still taking Elliot for Simplicity sake let's say Elliot goes in the top five picks in your hometown draft whether he goes one through five he could fall because people are scared that changes things. But Tom if we talked about every possibility, this would be a four-hour long podcast. What are you doing with the running back position? The rest of the way is Le'Veon Bell? Sixth player or do you think a couple wide receivers come off the board before Le'Veon Bell and James Conner Joe Mixon. Whoever you value next. What do you think at The Wider? What do you think is going on at the running back position. Do you have wide receivers at six and seven? Yeah, I do have Davante Adams in the Hopkins at six and seven right now. But Bell is in that next running back tear for me. He's he's kind of separated a little bit from some of the other running backs here, you know. Like Nick Chubb and James Conner and and Joe Mixon here. So he's kind of he's almost in like a tear by himself here behind the the top five here. You know, I've had no problem taking him eighth ninth, but I've seen a lot more people aggressive with him and taking him ahead of the receivers, which I'd also don't have a problem with but personally I've been going with the receivers there in the six and seven spots. Yeah, if you feel like you if you have the sixth or seventh pick and you feel like you need a Running back Le'Veon Bell is probably your guy. That's that's the guy you should be going into your drafts targeting. If you feel you need a running back. Now Tom. I have been really adamant that I think the bat in a redraft league. I'm I approach it differently in best ball, but in a redraft league if I get to the back end of the first round and let's assume this is a 12 team League I get to that back end. I think it's a good spot to go receiver receiver. But on the back end of the first round if you are somebody who is at admit that you need a running back with your first two picks. Tell me where to stop here. Tell me where you would not be comfortable taking one of these guys one of these guys in the first round James Conner. Dalvin cook Nick Chubb Joe Mixon Todd Gurley, which of those guys are you comfortable taking in the back end of the first round? I'm comfortable with the first the first couple guys there. I'm not comfortable with Kirk girly at this point. I honestly I haven't I'm just avoiding Todd Gurley this year. I just I'm not there's just too much potential for him to miss time and you know, even if his play is just You know 10% off from what it has been in previous Seasons, you know that could go, you know his his upside potential could go way down. So I girly has one got been one guy. I haven't been really drafting at all. And you know, I wouldn't invest a pic in him and they end of the first round but I'd like all I've I have plenty of Connor and cook and chub and mixing at this point. I have no problem with those guys at the end of the first round, you know, if you have a pick at you know at the turn and you know start of the second there as well. It's the Duke Johnson trade. Nick Chubb is the number eight running back off the board in nff. See a teepee that's significant. He's ahead of cookies ahead of girly. He's ahead of mixing. So he's moving up average pick of 14 .39 Tom. He is gone as early as number six. So there are people high on Nick Chubb but for the sake of this exercise consider him a late first early second round pick and you are comfortable with him there. Yep. He's locked in for a huge workload. Those first eight weeks of the season. They have no depth behind him at this point, you know, maybe they make a move or you know, whenever cut start coming in but it's he's key looks locked in for 80 90 % of the snaps. And yeah, I have no problem with being aggressive with chub. He could be in one of the best offenses in the league and we saw what he could do whenever he got his chance to play at the end of last season. Okay. So with Nick Chubb and I just want to throw this out there to people you're saying, you know for the first eight weeks of the Season then cream hunk comes back understood completely. Stood that being said Tom eight weeks is a lot of time and wings in weeks one and two mean just as much as winds and weeks 11 and 12. And one thing you should be doing if you have chub and you're worried about Kareem hunt coming back throughout those first eight weeks be proactive in finding a guy who if in the event cream hunt comes in and takes a significant chunk of Nick jobs work that you could be comfortable plugging into your lineup just be a little bit more proactive, but Nick Chubb I Be with you for the first two months of the season will be a significant factor in winning fantasy football match ups. Yeah, and maybe you know, if you are in a review draft and you have chub, they're having whoever takes Kareem Hunt is, you know, probably going to be pretty unsatisfied with having him just wasting a bench spot in the first couple, you know, maybe by week three or four maybe you can be able to swing a bench receiver or something for Kareem Hyundai might be a nice little strategy because you know, we'll probably get the cream, huh Little bit later here, but he's been bit. Well over well over drafted all summer long. Okay, so we're going to have Connor chub cook and mix in all in that tear that back end of the first early second round. You've already discussed girly. Let's consider him persona. Non grata at this point. I'm probably not going to take him unless he's a super late second round or early third Tom in my experience. I have found people take him before I'm willing to exactly then that that situation you just laid out. I I haven't seen it yet this summer. I mean, he's usually he's usually off the board by 1820 picks into dress. Okay top. So, let's say you take you take a running back in the first round at the back end of the first round and it's that from that tear. We just discussed the Connor Chubb cooked here. Are you comfortable going running back running back to start a standard draft where there's waivers and there's waivers and there's trades and you set your lineup every week because That's typically something I would avoid doing. Is it something you think you can build a winning team by doing? Yeah, I did. I mean I'm not shying away from a but it's not a preferred star for me. I typically like to get a pass catcher and a running back in the first couple pics at the first two picks, but there are some, you know decent options in the third round at receiver. You can you know, you can get a guy like Marty Cooper or you know, Stefan. Diggs and Adam thielen that you know, the tap the potential be wide receiver ones, but I think you're leaving yourself a little bit. Then I like a lot of the running backs in the third round. So I've greatly preferred going running back or receiver, you know running back tight end in the first two rounds. I like I agree with you my typical start this year. I would say if I'm picking from that spot or honestly from anywhere is in some combination of my first two picks. It's going to be a running back in a wide receiver. That's my most I'm in start but if I'm picking at the back end of the first round Tom, I am much more likely to go receiver receiver than I am to go running back running back. I agree with you there because I like a lot of the the receivers there you get Michael Thomas Odell Beckham Juju, Tyree kill if you want to be aggressive, so and I like a lot of the running backs that are kind of hanging around at the end of the third early fourth. Here are some of the running backs Tom with NFC atp's in the second round it. Over the last week. They're the same guys who are going at the tail end of the first round as well. It's chub. It's cooked girly Mixon and then it all slips into kind of the third round here. And I want you to tell me which of these guys you're comfortable taking at the back end of the second round. Let's say you start with Christian McCaffrey or SE Kwang Berkeley at the top of the draft and you're saying you know, what I do want to go running back running back. Well, here are some guys who you might have to consider Melvin. I actually I'm I'm more worried about Gordon missing games than I am Ezekiel Elliott. That's why I've moved Gordon down my board and why I haven't move Zeke down carry on Johnson Leonard. Fournette Damien Williams, Aaron Jones. Which of those guys are you comfortable taking in the second round? All right. Carry on Johnson. I've started to take a little bit at the end of the second round and Damian Williams. I'm Still In on Damien Williams. I'm not I'm not all. Why I you know, I Andy Reid was talking about the committee stuff last week, but I'm still in on him. He came back to practice last week and immediately took his this week. He came back yesterday and immediately took back the RB 1 spot. Hey, if he's going to become start becoming cheaper going in the third round. I'll gladly take them there. You know, I'm surprised at some of these, you know Leonard fournette and best balls, you know, he's been kind of late 3rd round guy so his prices Currently you're starting to rise here in high-stakes Leagues with the sharp. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'm quite comfortable taking him with the tail end of the second round just yet. But yeah carry on Johnson. I'm Damian Williams are two guys that you know, I've been targeting at the end of the second round and those are pretty much the two guys who based on what I've seen are the only ones where I would say, I'm pretty confident. Those guys are second rounders at this point. I at this point after the Theo Riddick trade, I'd consider carry on John. And a steal in the third round. Oh, yeah. I mean he's been you know staple for me basically between the pics of 22 and 28 or so. I mean if he's around in that spot, I haven't been too. Shy to take him there. Okay, Tom. So now we're getting into that third round. You said you love the running backs in the third round and this is why I don't like starting running back running back because I completely agree with you the third round running backs, I think are great this year. And like I said, I'm looking at the nff see a teepee. I actually stretched to put some of these guys into the second round Melvin Gordon carry on Johnson Leonard. Fournette Damien Williams, Aaron Jones Devonta Freeman and Marlon Mac according to the nff see a teepee over the last week are all third-round picks. I've it's hard for me to argue against those guys and that's why I think I'm absolutely pivoting away from the running back position. Even with one of my first two picks weather. Now. You said you're way more in on Kelsey than I am you and I have had that discussion. But if you take a running back in a receiver or you take a running back in a tight end receiver tight end or receiver receiver, which I think is a very viable start at the back end of the first round this year. You can get a really nice upside running back in the third round and the guy I want to focus on here Tom is Devonta Freeman because if I start receiver receiver, Think Devonta Freeman is the guy. I'm targeting in the third round only because the reports are coming are coming. Very good at a training camp. He has an RB overall our be number one season like he finished as the number one overall running back. I think four or five years in the past. That's a long time. But we know he has that kind of ability. I think he is a great bounce back handed it with no Tevin Coleman there with the improvements made along the offense of line to Anchor my backfield if I Art receiver receiver in a draft. I agree with you. I've taken him quite a bit here. Just great situation. All of Coleman's touches out of this backfield. They drafted it, you know drafted offensive lineman, you know picked up guys. So this everything is pointing towards them wanting to run the ball more and you know, they're red zone woes from the last two years ago. Freeman could be a big, you know, he could help fix that up quite a bit. And yeah, I've been targeting him, you know. I've been taking Travis Kelce at the end of the first round just just cuz I like a like a lot of these running backs that are available here in the third round as I touched on I like fournette a lot at the end of the third round. I haven't done too much Melvin Gordon, but he typically goes before, you know, I'm comfortable taking him but you know, I can't I don't have many issues with Aaron Jones or even a Marlin Mac here in the middle to the third round here. I don't have any guys that I'm kind of shy away from that group. And and by the way when I say I say Devonta Freeman is the guy I'm targeting maybe you can respond and say Tom. Well, you know what guys I don't like his injury history. The guy I'm targeting there is Aaron Jones who also has an injury history, but maybe you say, you know, he's younger he's going to be in that new offense. And that's fine too. What I want to point out is I want to look at the big picture and how you're developing your team here. So I think any of these guys are spectacular number two running backs if they're your second back. I think they're totally fine number. One backs if you start with to pass catchers with your first two picks, I want to ask you a couple questions here though. Tom number one. What are you doing with Leonard fournette because I don't know how to Value him. I'm afraid that this is going to be the year, you know cam Robinson just came off the pupae. So the offensive line gets a boost. They have professional quarterback play with Nick Foles. I do get worried that I'm not buying in this year. And this is the year that there that he's going to come out and go for 1,500 yards from scrimmage because I'm not buying in and And somebody mentioned this to me and John Hanson today. We did The Morning Show on Sirius XM. They said there's no Vibes with Leonard fournette. And that's a good thing and II agree. Love it. I love it. There hasn't been a lot of noise out of camp and I've been all over he's been one of my most drafted, you know running back so far this year. I just love the situation no Blake Bortles anymore. What a drag he was for the entire offense, you know, he's going to be facing lighter boxes playing with Nick Foles. No, TJ Yeldon, I Like this has kind of been going under the radar. I mean for net, you know caught 22.8 catches in per game in his first two first two seasons here. Maybe that could be on the rise here. Maybe he starts averaging, you know, close to three to four catches a game, you know, the receiving numbers could be going up for them. Of course it all comes back to to injuries here. But I feel like that can be said for a lot of these guys down here with Freeman as well. That's why these guys are in the third round so Yeah, I've I've loved one or fournette old all summer here and his price is pretty appealing to me. Okay, so it's impossible with the Melvin Gordon situation to make this podcast really up-to-date because Tom every day that goes past makes it less likely that he's going to sign a contract before the season starts and every day that goes past is yet another opportunity for more reports to come out so you could be listening to this on Friday of this week and the Mission that we have is out of date. It's just the nature of it with what's going on with the holdout and obviously the deeper we get closer to the season the more likely he is to miss games. But as we're sitting here on August 13th, where would you be comfortable drafting Melvin Gordon? I would say about 30 picks in that's I haven't seen him get to that spot too much, but maybe that could start happening here the deeper we get into August. So yeah, that's about About where I you know, you know, maybe not quite at 30 but like 28 to 32 ranges, you know past the early third round here and into the into the middle part of the realm the problem is like like I've I like Freeman I like fournette. I like these other guys and there's no threat of them sitting out. So, you know, I tend to lean toward those guys a little bit more still what about two guys who I kind of view similarly Marlin Mac and Derrick Henry. They're both in the NFC South. They both have really good pass catching running backs behind them. And I think they're both really products of the offensive line. The better the offensive line is the better they are now, of course that's going to be the same case for everybody Tom, but I think these guys especially are reliant on the offensive line. I don't view either of them as an exceptional Creator, but they have that straight line explosiveness. They are not necessarily guys who are going to contribute in a big way in the passing game. And and they're kind of Fringe third fourth round picks Mac. Almost always goes before Henry. How are you valuing those guys? Do you prefer one over the other and how do you feel about them in the context of your roster? Yeah. I agree with Matt going slightly ahead of Henry here. If you just look individually at the Situation's, you know, the offensive lines. I'd give a slight Edge to to Mac, you know with the wand missing. Yep, the first four games of the season, that's a big Knock for Henry Mac. Also. Yeah, I think that he plays for the better team. I think the Colts are going to be playing with leads this year there. I think they're one of the favorites for the AFC here. I can't say the think same with Marcus Mariota leading the Titans here. They're going to be playing a lot of tight games. They're going to be playing on low-scoring games. So, you know Max going to be playing in the more prolific offense. So I've favored Mac All Summer Long here, you know, I wish he Did more as a receiver but you know, situationally I still like a lot of the factors working in his favor. Okay. So do you feel good about either one of those guys as your number one back if you start receiver receiver? Not know. I would have a little bit of reservations. You know, I might number one back. I want to be of receiving threat to have three down potential to be a Workhorse potential and I don't see it with those two guys, even though we saw a little bit with Derrick Henry at the end the last season but you know those games kind of played out in their favor, you know, I don't think Dion Lewis is exactly dead and gone and and Tennessee as well. So yeah. Don't feel great about you know, leading my team off with them. I'd much rather do it with a four net or Freeman who I think have much better chances of being. Yeah, and here's what I'm getting at. Let's say I'm picking at the end of the third round and there's a big run on running backs in the third round that I didn't anticipate. I started receiver receiver. I was picking I was picking 10th and I opened with Michael Thomas and JuJu Smith Schuster just for an example I said, you know what I had to take the best available players and those were the two best players. I skipped on some running backs. I like because I like those guys as the two best players my goal after taking those guys. I want to get Leonard fournette or Devonta Freeman in the third round. Save those guys are gone. Say Melvin Gordon's there, but I really don't feel good about Gordon as my number one running back right now because he's holding out and the best running backs available are Marlin Mac and Derrick Henry. I'm with you. I think I'm pivoting away from those guys. I might take another receiver to either plug into the third receiver spot or a flex take Zach ertz or George kid'll and then wait until the fourth round to take my next running back. I agree with You those are guys I would skip over if I'm drafting them as my rb1. I try to go for somebody who has a little bit more receiving upside and I would say you know what? I'm going to start pivoting to more of a 0 RB Approach at that point. That's a bold move. I've never really gone to the 0rp, you know too much. You know, I've been playing fantasy for 15 16 years, I guess at this point. I haven't done that too much. But you know if you do that, who are you? You looking at in terms of guys that you would be targeting, you know say in the fourth and fifth round here if you go with another receiver. So here are two guys who I really really am going to point out and at the only reason I'm pointing these guys out Thomas because of upside as a receiver. I think I would be more comfortable taking either ertz or Kettle or a receiver as my number 3 receiver in the back end of the third round and then taking Josh Jacobs as my number one running back only because I feel like he could be a major contributor in the passing game and I want those calorie-rich. Fantasy touches like I would rather have it sounds weird to say because I have Marlin Mac and Derrick Henry ranked ahead of him. But I would rather have Jacobs in a PPR is my number one running back than either of those guys those guys I think provide a safer floor for an RV to and then there's the guy I've drafted a metric ton of and that's Mark Ingram. Yes. I like him a lot. I feel like he's finally just looking at this NFC data here. He's finally starting to rise. Here a little bit but he's still 45, you know 45th pick overall in the rankings still feels like he's been slightly undervalued. I mean we touched on it, you know a bit earlier this summer but man he looks you know, if their offense continues to be run heavy as we expect. I mean, he has the real potential to catch 20. Yeah. I did not catch to get 20 touches of game in this offense. So still feel like he's been slightly under valued here and they can run. Plays as well. So there's there's room here for a guy just as Hill is a big big sleeper for a lot of people they really like his upside. There's room for multiple running backs to make an impact in this offense. So I love Mark Ingram's price. I like Josh Jacobs at his price. He hasn't risen past that for that late 3rd or the early 4th, Tom. I'm very much willing to take him there and then let's get into two more guys. Chris Carson has had a lot of Camp pipe recently. They're going to throw to the running backs more. Or he's still looking good. There is up. There was a window here and I'll let fully admit I missed it where he was consistently available in the late fifties early sixties. It's just not happening anymore with Chris Carson. So he's in that range and there's also the rookie from Chicago David Montgomery who looked great in the first preseason game and that's what everybody wanted to see. He is now almost exclusively a fourth-round pick you are not getting David Montgomery later than the fourth round. Yeah going back to Carson and you know, I And Carson and Penny. I've been starting to add a little bit more to my my portfolio here. I you know, I'm probably sitting between 15 and 20% on those guys now, I just you know, Mike Davis, I mean he was averaging over 1000 opportunities a game last year. Those are gone then you know, those are going to be spread out between Penny and and Carson now, there's no real threat behind them to be that third running back and we know how much Schottenheimer wants to run the ball. Ball and you know, we've been getting reports, you know the from the first weeks at camp that they're going to throw to the backs more which makes sense. You know, you look at the receivers. They don't have Doug Baldwin anymore. They don't have a viable starting tight end that's going to be a receiving Factor, you know, they haven't rookie receiver and DK Metcalf that can he can run straight down the field. I mean, they don't have a lot of options for receivers right now. So it makes sense to get these guys more involved as running backs. I feel like maybe we Ben, you know the as a fantasy Community been sleeping on these two backs, you know all summer long here, especially with Davis is you know, his opportunities gone out of this backfield. I think by the end of the fourth round, you're really running out of guys you feel great about at the running back position. That doesn't mean you can't draft guys you like but these guys start to have warts. So let's get into the fifth round here Tom James White and Sony Michelle from New England Phillip Lindsay Tevin Coleman to Eric Cohen, my favorite of these guys is James White and that's obviously in PPR, but I think there's a legitimate chance. I mean that James White outside of Julian Edelman leads the Patriots and receiving. Yeah very, I mean we're we've seen all praising long to Kobe Myers Maurice Harris, they just cut Dantley. I mean, they've had you know, who's who of you know guys playing it receiver and Camp so far, you know it all indicate, you know, they Good for Eric's aubert at tight end after the cost gets hurt in the preseason. So they are a mess receiver that mean that means we're going to see a lot of James White featured on the backfield as a receiver here. So he's been one guy him and Carson or two guys in the fifth round that I've been targeted height. I haven't been too excited about the rest of the options here, you know, Tevin Coleman a little bit at towards the end of the fifth started the six, but you know Lindsay I Basically backed off completely here after you know having some interest in him earlier this summer. Michelle has been on my do not draft list and Cohen has been on my do not draft list. I just don't like the situation therefore for Toriko and in Chicago. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast. If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and I'll go out on a limb and say you like music too. It used to be looking for podcasts on one app and listening to music on another but now on Spotify you have all your listening needs including the fantasy free agents podcast for free. No, you don't need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic and you can follow your favorite podcast. 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So there is a look and that might be a panic move because he had a good rookie season and he was a first-round pick so I'm looking at him like oh Why did they draft Damien Harris in the third round? It's just one thing where I can't wrap my head around the logic, so I haven't really bought into Michelle Lindsay. We've talked about him. I don't know why the Bronco seen insistent on forcing him out or at least reducing his role. However, we did get some news Thea Riddick's going to miss significant time with a shoulder injury. So at least maybe early in the season Philip Lindsay gets a shot to see what he can do. And then there's Tevin Coleman and Tom outside of James White. If I need an rb2 out of this group or an RB 3 if you go are be heavy, I kind of feel like Tevin Coleman is the best option of this group. I I like the offense. We know Kyle Shanahan knows how to use him. That's that's a really appealing spot. And because he's kind of a fifth sixth round French pick, you're not really paying up for him either. Yeah and his you know appeal has gotten a little bit better here with Jerick McKinnon. It sort of looks like he's at least going to miss the first six weeks of the season. Just there's been no good reports on him. So far this training camp. So that brings us back field down to two guys. And Coleman is looking a lot more appealing now and we know Shanahan what he can do with with his running backs and he's done it with Coleman before so he is one guy. I consider in the the bottom of the fifth and into the sixth round here Tom. I'm like you I've never gone full 0 RB, but what I have done is go Oh kind of modified 0 RB and that would be like say through my first five picks. I only have one running back and that sometimes that'll be by Design. Sometimes it'll be because that's the way the board Falls to me. And this is the range in PPR. I think it's easier to come up with your number two running back out of the guys. We just mentioned but also added some of these guys who according to NFC data or in the sixth and seventh round of ATP Austin Eckler who's a completely separate case because His ATP is inflated because of the Melvin Gordon situation Kenyan Drake Lamar Miller mile Sanders Rashad penny. Are any of those guys okay to you as an rb2, if you're really heavy on wide receiver at this point in your draft. I've been going in on Mile Sanders here and Penny and Richard Penny. I'd like both of those guys here. I think they have potential to you know, be Workhorse guys if they need to but even then they have you know, I think they're going to get enough touches each week that you know, they could be low end or B 2 is here. I mean, they're obviously You know their their past two dominating the back fields could be a little bit muddied, but they have there they would be better options as flex but I like the upside of both guys there especially if you know, they can work their way to the top here. They're both, you know high draft picks Penny was in the first round Sanders was in the second round, you know High pedigree. So those are two guys I've been going after here in that that seventh round and so the purpose of what what when people people talk about 0 RB or even what we're talking about kind of the modified 0 RB, you're not necessarily saying hey, I'm really comfortable going into the season with these guys. It's my number to running back. That's not what you're saying. What you're saying is I think between these guys that I'm going to draft in the middle rounds and the waiver wire. I'm going to be able to find somebody who I'm comfortable with as a number to running back Meanwhile my strength at the wide receiver and tight end position is going To carry me until I find that guy. That's the whole philosophy. Yeah, and I got another guy in the zone that would kind of fit that as Darrell Henderson behind Todd Gurley a he's another guy. I've been considering it looks like his prices dropping here a little bit, but he didn't have a great first preseason game but there's still obviously a lot of potential there with the girlies injury risk. Now. Let's talk about Kenyan Drake Tom. I'm totally out. I just I haven't liked his price if he slips into like the eighth round. I'll probably start Investing but I really hated it when he was a fifth round pick. I'm still not happy with him in the sixth or seventh round. But I'm okay with that a little bit more Lamar Miller is a guy I drafted a ton of early but I think one of the main reasons his price was suppressed outside of the fact that people think he's boring which he is but he's produced is people were afraid they were going to acquire running back and they did they did acquire Duke Johnson and that's gonna knock his value down pretty significantly. Yeah. I think we could see a pretty even split. In this backfield with Lamar Miller and Duke Johnson, so I won't be jumping in on Miller here. I would need really need to see his price fall into the eighth Round Kenny Drake is the same deal. I think they're going to be a split backfield as well with balázs, which is you know, why I'll be drafting Duke Johnson and Kaylin balázs a lot more than these two guys. They're going for five rounds T. / so those are the two guys. I will be investing in those back fields. Let's get into the next tier of running backs. These are guys going off in the seventh and eighth round. Sounds Tom we're really getting into the dregs now Darius guice. I have no idea how to Value him. Although I have dabbled when I've seen him fall into the late 8th early ninth round, especially in best ball. I'm okay paying that price latavius Murray. He's going in the eighth round seventh eighth round cusp. I'm okay with that price for him. Same with Royce Freeman Roy streaming just doesn't excite me. You know, I didn't think in college. He did anything really? Well. He did a bunch of things. Recently and if that excites you okay, they've been talking him up, but they had Lindsay who was better last year. They signed Riddick who's now injured which probably helps matters Jordan Howard. I like way more and best ball Beaker and look I understand everybody is better and best ball because you don't have to pick and choose their big weeks, but he into me is especially a best ball guy because he's so touchdown dependent and then there's a guy who's been making Camp splashes Tom and a guy I want you to talk about Jalen Samuels of the Pittsburgh Steelers who it looks like Pittsburgh is intent on giving a role independent of James Conner potentially as an HVAC as a fullback as a swing tight end. He did all of those things at South Carolina. The question is Tom. Do you think Jalen's Samuels can get enough opportunities per week to be a decent flex play at the running back position. Yeah. I think that's what you're actually hoping for if you're taking Samuel. The spot. I don't know if he has enough upside, you know say if Connor goes down and I think that they could Elevate Benny Snell into some early dental work. I don't know if Samuels workload would expand to too much if there was an injury ahead of them, but I think there's real potential for him to start catching a few more balls that you know, the receiving depth chart as a little unsettled right now with, you know, Antonio Brown gone and You know James Washington showed a little bit in the first preseason game and but it's still pretty unsettled after after Juju Smith Shuster here. So I think Samuels has the potential to be worked into the passing game every week and have some Flex Appeal here. So, you know, I just don't know if he has the high high up side at his price. So we're looking at anybody in here that you're okay with is kind of a number 3 Type running back if your wide receiver heavy, I'd live been Both latavius Murray and Royce Freeman, you know, I just been buying in on the Freeman and everything. We've seen this offseason. They're trying to work him in Moore and his price hasn't been too too bad here at about 90 picks overall. I mean, it feels like that's been that way all summer long. So even with all the talk that you know, he's gonna you know be seeing a bigger workload his price really hasn't risen much all summer long. So, you know, if I'm in the eighth ninth round and need that fourth or third or fourth running back, I've been looking at Freeman a little bit and latavius Murray. I'm surprised that he's down to 85th 85 overall in the ATP here for the nff. See I mean, he's I didn't I his price must be dipping a little bit here. I still like them a lot here. I think he's going to get a lot of touchdown opportunities and he should be good for 10 to 12 carries per week in the backfield. Let's get to the next four guys Tom in the NFC ATP over the last week and I think these are for guys that I'm valuing very differently. Ronald Jones is 40th. He's kind of a ninth round pick then there's these guys who are all 10th round picks by ATP Duke Johnson, Carlos Hyde and Kaylin balázs the guys. I want to highlight here Duke Johnson and Kaitlyn balázs 10th round is still not too expensive for me to take Duke Johnson. I loaded up on them early because he was super cheap and I was hoping he got traded. Well he did if he's going in the 10th round. I'm still in on that price for Duke Johnson. I That he's going to rise above that though. And in which case I still feel pretty good about him as a number three in a PPR. So I'm high on Duke Johnson. Kahlan balázs. I'm going to take a guy who has that kind of physical ability. And as the chance to be his team's leading rusher anytime in the 10th round Carlos, I think stinks now if you want to if you want to say all Kansas City is going to use a committee. I'd much rather Tom invest as you said and Damien Williams or on the super cheap end in Darwin Thompson. I Carlos Hyde stinks. So I have no Carlos Hyde, and another guy I've planted a flag on I have zero of is Ronald Jones. I just had none of them. Yeah, you're speaking my language in this group here at cream hunts kind of in this this area to I know I separate him Tom because he's the single most overdrafted player and fan. Yeah. So yeah, I I'm out on him. I'm out on hide. I'm out on June's and Duke & Duke and balázs or guys. I have been drafting in this range. This is a this is to typically my quarterback rating. Range will get into my quarterback drawer quarterback draft plans later in the week. But this we're getting into the 10th 11th 12th round here. This is where I'm usually loading up, you know getting my first quarterback II left Kareem hunt out because Tom his ATP is ridiculous. Okay, he's a tenth round pick his highest pick in the last week in the NFC is 72nd overall. That's the end of the sixth round. He is guaranteed Tom to miss eight games guaranteed. You're gonna blow a sixth-round pick. That is absurd to me. Yeah have fun. I mean and Nick Chubb is pretty good at football. So it's not like he's gonna just supplant him as the starter. So yeah, I'm right there with you. I don't I don't know what people are thinking with, you know, wasting a pick and the 11th, right? I don't care be in my draft draft on that high. I like it. Yeah. So here's my Approach with cream hunt especially if I drafted Nick Chubb. I'm gonna let somebody overdraft cream hunt maybe once we get to the 12th 13th round and that's when I'll start to consider him, but he almost always goes off the board before then. So I'm gonna let somebody draft him in the ninth tenth round laugh at them for doing so make them realize three weeks into the season that they are wasting a roster spot on a guy and then I'm going to let them drop cream hunt. I'm going to let somebody else pick them up and then that other person's going to drop cream hunt when they need to pick somebody up and then may become weak. Six or seven when I know what my roster should look like then I'll pick up cream hunt. But Tom I'm gonna guess in like 50% of leagues. He is not going to be on the team that drafted him come week 10, I would agree with that. I see him being very frustrating for owners. Most of the most of the free sites that you know, they don't have you know spots where you can you know, stash a suspended player, you know, they have to be on IR or injured of some sort. So he's just gonna be wasting one of your six or seven Ross. Four spots bench spots. That is I don't get it. Okay, Tom. I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the next six running backs here ATP 45 to 50 at the running back position. And these guys are all 11th 12th 13th Round Guys. And as I mentioned before that's where the rounds really start to muddy together. Like I'm never going to say Tom. Oh, why are you taking that guy in the 11th round? He should be a 13th round pick the gaps between these rounds are so much smaller than the gaps between the first and the third round. It's they're basically the same round and it's just on people going and drafting the guys. They like tell me of these six guys. Which guys do you like Devin Singletary from Buffalo the rookie running back Damien Harris New England. Rookie Peyton Barber who is still the Bucks lead back LeSean McCoy Justin Jackson from the Chargers and Matt Breeden one name stands out to me and that's Breda. Yeah pretty looks like a nice value now, especially with McKinnon's status here. I've been And a lot of Damien Harris from earlier this summer and wish I would have had a little bit more Singletary. I'm going to try to jump in on him a little bit after you know watching him play in the first preseason game and how many you know kind of reps. He got with Josh Allen there and played he know he played significant snaps. So yeah, I'm with you with Breda and Harrison Singletary Jackson, I typically feels like maybe his price is a little bit lower here and you know in my in the best balls, I typically do it. Like he's a tenth or eleventh round guy at this a hundred thirty first. Overall. I would consider I'm there. I'm a more likely to select him than I am to select Eckler at this point Eckler is Eckler easy way out of price. I mean if Melvin Gordon signs an echo or pick is going to look bad right away. I'm like Heckler to and I think he's somebody who on a good charger team can have independent Flex value of Gordon. The problem is the Chargers Ran So Few plays last year. And Gordon was so heavily utilized that echo or even though he was so efficient just didn't get enough snaps to make an impact because they ran so few plays Jackson is the guy. I'm willing to invest in in the event Gordon holds out because he's much cheaper. So that's the guy I'm going to invest in I have no LeSean McCoy. He was terrible last year. He's somebody who at least at the very least is cheap this year Peyton Barber. I don't know if you can make a single more boring pick in fantasy, but I mean There's still a chance. He leads his team in rushing. So yeah, I did it last year. I'm not I'm not jumping back on that train. I had him in a couple legs last year and he was he did he brought nothing to the table. So on the Jackson part and just the thing to remember from the preseason here, you know, we do get a little bit out of the pre season. He scored at the goal line Eckler fumbled at the goal line. That is something the stash away for your for your self if Gordon would sit out and you know, that that does take away from hecklers value. You know, he's not going to be the preferred to option at the goal line Tom there. This next range actually has some guys I really like Drafting and these are Arby's 51 through 57 9 Hines. I have a ton of Dion Lewis. I am starting to get a ton of Tony Pollard at a Dallas Justice Hill from Baltimore Alexander Madison, the founding father. He's up in Minnesota, Adrian Peterson and Darwin Thompson and these guys These are these guys are dirt cheap. We're talking 12th to 14th round picks. I have a ton of Heinz only because I view Heinz is somebody who is a Marlin Mac injury away from being the lead back in an excellent offense. Now, I don't think he's a great Runner but he called over 60 passes last year and at this price I'm willing to draft him Dion Lewis. He's now the cheap member of the Titan backfield. He was overpriced last year. I bought in when he was overpriced, but I'm buying back in because his price is so low anybody else hear that you're really We interested in because these are really nice rb5 kind of roster fillers and even handcuffs in the case of somebody like Madison. Yeah, I'm with you on Hines and Louis, you know, they have some independent value, you know, if you're getting a pinch first couple weeks of the season and you have to start one of these guys, at least they have the potential to catch some passes, but they could get some big rules. If there's injuries ahead them, you know going down this less iíve Darwin Thompson is a guy I've been you know picking especially if I've taken Damian Williams in the second round as a little bit of a handcuff are I have been fading Carlos Hyde all summer and Thompson look pretty good in the first preseason game. So Pollard is a god. It's he's risen really quick. He was a guy that was you know, 200 some pics in just a few weeks ago. And now he runs with the first team and the whole is he qle it situation, you know, I did like him. I took him a couple times in the eighteenth round earlier this summer. That's a Aggressive price but might be you know, good insurance. If you are still aggressive and take Elliott with those in those first five picks there. He'll I haven't done the hill too much here. I just don't know. I think he needs to have you know situations as a receiver and I just don't know if he's going to get enough of those playing with Lamar Jackson. So I don't have much Justice Hill Alexander Madison. I just kind of have viewed him as a thousand cook handcuffs. Oh and Peter. In no, thank you. Yeah, we're still we're 57 running backs in Tom. I'm going to have you look at the nff see a teepee. Is there anybody below are B-57 that you actually really kind of like and thing can be a contributor and season-long fantasy contributor a yeah. I mean I've taken some Ito Smith as you know, kind of insurance for Devonta Freeman that you know, I do like Freeman spot here, but hehe, I mean there are signs that maybe hate his body is breaking down with something. His injuries that he suffered the last two three years. So I've taken some Smith Gio Bernard Jamal Williams CJ Anderson, Mike Davis. These are handcuffs. Yeah. These are the premium handcuffs in my opinion. Take that most don't forget Chase Edmunds. He's a premium handcuffed to yeah that him as well. But you know, I like all those guys because they've come in in the past and you know, they can they can lead a backfield there, you know, they can catch the ball a little bit. So Those are some of the guys I've looked at, you know, if we go really deep, you know, I I can't see anything. I drafted a bunch of Goofs Edwards. Okay, because I think they're going to run the ball a lot. And now this is best ball in and it's in the event that that Mark Ingram goes down. I would obviously prefer Justice Hill as well if Mark Ingram goes down but Edwards did a nice job last year. So I've drafted a ton of him. He's all the way down at our be 73, so I've been in on him, but Tom, I think that 57 cut off here. The NFC a VP at that at Darwin Thompson, that's kind of where it really starts to fall off because you even mentioned Ito Smith the camp reports on you know, Smith are not great right now and Brian Hill looked pretty good in the preseason and they also have qadri Alison. So just keep that in mind, but we're really in handcuffed territory here and then that gets into that gets into the discussion of handcuffing Tom if I have a deep bench. I'm talking like a tour deeper. I'm okay with carrying a handcuff. I'm Carrying more than one really in most instances. And if I have a shorter bench, let's say five or six. I'm just going to take the risk and not and not carry one if somebody else wants to carry my handcuffs and waist a roster spot. Just betting on an injury then so be it. Yeah. I'm right there with you and that's where we are. Once we get outside of this top 50 pics here. It's really about preference. Well, you know, once you start getting this deep into a draft if there's guys that you like Or that you want just go after them, you know after the after the 12th or 13th round, there's no sense in waiting around if you say you really like Tony Pollard from just a week ago. He was you know, probably going, you know, 180-190 and you see how his price has risen. So if there's someone you like once we start getting into the 13th 14th 15th rounds just go after them at the running back position in a standard draft Tom. I'm probably going to have let's say let's say the Over/under is typically 5 at running back. I guess you can go with four and a super shallow league. If you're in a deep League, there's going to be six. I typically draft six in a best ball and those were 18 round drafts, but I would think in most Hometown leagues you're going to carry five on your roster. So you want a Bell cow and the other thing to focus on here and Tom not even necessarily in PPR. I want guys who can catch the football. Yeah. That's a nice bonus. That's why like I said earlier like I've liked having nayeem Hines on my rosters or Dion Lewis, Matt Breda guys with some versatility that if I have to use them in a flex spot, they have the potential to catch a few balls help you out there and you know, maybe they can break a bring a long run or score a touchdown for you as well and the key draft plan to make with the running back position Tom is your draft is never over at the draft at the running back position. We're talking about Damien Williams right now is a second third round pick in fantasy football. He was on nobody's radar last year. Phillip Lindsay until late August was on nobody's radar last year. So keep an eye out for everybody, and anybody who's getting snaps early in the season is worth a look on the waiver wire now, some guys are going to be better than others Tom, but I will guarantee you somebody who was not mentioned on this podcast, and we talked about 60 plus guys. I will guarantee you somebody who was not mentioned is going to be a top 25 fantasy running back this year. That's just the way it works. It happens every year. At this point there's running back has the most injuries that you know, it's the most attrition, you know season in season out. So that's why it also is the most volatile, you know, picking these guys at the top of the drift. There's going to be a handful of these guys that don't play no more than eight games. It's just just happens every year so you can got to stay on top of things. Keep track of depth charts it even keep track of the preseason depth charts here, you know who's playing ahead of who and you know, just the Hierarchy of these back fields in the preseason does matter Tom we're going to wrap up the podcast with our team to a days. That was our running back draft plan stay tuned for tomorrow. That's Wednesday the 14th. We're going to go with our wide receiver draft plan Tom. That one's going to be probably as in-depth as this one was and then we're going to combine the quarterbacks in the tight end draft plan simply because they're easier to do and we're going to put that out on Friday right after I talked to Greg Cosell on Thursday. So we have a busy week coming up to get you guys ready for your drafts, but Tom we have to Tin you are team to add a series. We are starting to get close to wrapping it up. But we're going to go to the San Francisco 49ers in the NFC for little fantasy and bedding preview for San Francisco. Yeah, the 49ers went for and 12:00 last year. Of course. They had the big Jimmy Garoppolo injury, which had them go under there a twin total 360 yards per game last year which ranks 16th. Not too bad with Nick Mullens at the quarterback position for most of the Year score. Offense 21.4 which was twenty first place for games sixty two point seven, which was 20th key offensive players lost. None of note here. So keeping this, you know group pretty much intact. They've added some keep key players here though, Tevin Coleman Debo Samuel Jalen Hurd, Jordan Matthews. So, you know added some weapons around that Jimmy Garoppolo going into this season on account of targets 64, which was 25th and 29th. Not 2019 season win total is 8 with pretty even money going to both sides of the over and the other under it - 115 so they've set a good line. You're telling me apparently I put those numbers in a couple weeks ago though. I think I did see that there has been some money towards the over here. People are remembering that you know, Kyle Shanahan is a very good coach and Jimmy Garoppolo, you know did so some good signs before the injury last year. So there are very intricate intriguing team for Fantasy as well, you know, interesting back fields and interesting receiver is receiving course here. I just want to focus on the receiving Corps Tom really quick and we'll talk about it more on tomorrow's wide receiver draft plan podcast, but there's been some bad reports about Dante Pettis in training camp. He was a guy who's kind of in the sixth seventh round range at the wide receiver position who I'm not kind of scared to draft. Is there anybody in the later rounds that you're looking at at the wide receiver position based on what you've seen thus far in training camp. Yeah, I've been on Debo Samuel a little bit here and I've liked this price a little bit and I've we moved him up here. Jalen Hurd is a guy to keep an eye on though. I you know with Samuel going, you know, and thank you want 36th overall people have kind of forgotten about Jalen Hurd, but they use the sixty seventh overall pick on him. And now we have Trent Taylor goad going down. So, you know, he's an interesting guy, especially if you're in a dynasty League, I would not wait around on Jalen Hurd, but it's going to be Sting out of him. I mean Shanahan came out yesterday and said Pettis is got to compete for starting a starting role. I mean to come out and publicly say that you're supposed number one receiver needs to start competing. That is a terrible sign for Pettis. We've knocked him down about eight or eight or ten spots here from his, you know, early 30s position at the beginning of August here. Yeah. I wonder if I wonder if Dante Pettis almost came into the offseason a little bit. Old thinking I don't want this is my job. I'm buck. And yeah, and he needs a kick in the pants Tom. That's something we're gonna have to monitor throughout the preseason. But let's wrap up the podcast by going over to the AFC and a team Tom that hey I'll admit look sharper on the field than I anticipated during the preseason and I mean both in terms of how they played and how they looked out there in those new digs, huh? Yeah, I'd like those New Jersey. They put York Jets. Maybe they did look pretty sharp in those jerseys. last year, they want four and twelve went under their 6th win total 299 yards a game 29th scoring offense 20.8 23rd Place for game 60 point seven, which was twenty sixth key players lost Isaiah Crowell James Carpenter Jermaine Kearse Spencer Long Andre Roberts client Walford Dakota Dozer and they'll know if he could say any of those are extremely seriously, but that a lot of bodies gone key additions levy on Bell Jamison Crowder collect a assemble a and on the kind of targets here. I'll by the way they just add it back Khalil and Alex Lewis only. Oh, yes one big big big Acquisitions, especially Cleland terms of for what it does for Donald. Yeah. Thanks for adding those in here. I did. I put these lists together at the start of training camp. So they're not completely up-to-date on account of targets a hundred seventy eight with eight which is eighth overall and the 2019 when Total is it 7 and 1/2 little bit of money going towards the under it - 130 even even money towards the over. Once again. I haven't updated those numbers for you know after the first preseason game, but that might be changing after they look sharp on that first opening drive with Arnold in the boys. Yeah. I'm wondering if there's a decent bet to be made on the Jets to make the playoffs and they might not be one of the six best teams in the AFC Tom, but they play in the weakest division that always helps and And you know, they finish four and 12. So they're going to be flying the other, you know, last place teams in the divisions, you know it, you know across the AFC so that also will help with schedule the ease of the schedule are so yeah things are feeling a little bit better here Donald made some big steps towards the end of last season. He played really well in December had of course had the big connection with Robbie Anderson. You know, Robert Anderson was a big fantasy Championship guy so, you know, Thing is pointing in the right direction. We talked about last Friday Adam gase running a little more Tempo than we saw at any point last year with the dolphins in that first preseason game. Which yeah, I would love to see that continue. Maybe get a little bit more ownership on the Jets of if I know that they're going to start, you know, running off 60 plus game, you know plays per game here the entire point of this podcast this week is to get you ready to draft for this weekend. 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Hey, hey. Hey, happy Wednesday everybody. Welcome back to Mommy group. This is episode 26 man. Am I excited that you're here today? Because today is a big day for us. Today is our very first interview. We're so excited. This has been the goal all along and we are just absolutely stoked to kick it off with you wonderful Sabrina Soto. So you guys probably know Sabrina from her million-and-a-half TV show Sabrina's been on Trading Spaces and Extreme Home Makeover countless HGTV shows. I mean Good Morning America.My family to talk the kitchen when you Williams like the list goes on and on and she generally is in the interior design space. That's really where her expertise lies before her Talent lies. You'll learn a lot about where that comes from from her family. It's a super interesting story and we talked a lot about being a single mom would she is and man that is no joke. She is one tough cookie. I really can't wait for you guys to hear this interview. If you like it. If you enjoy the podcast you enjoy the interview. We really hope that you'll help us grow. By rating the podcast subscribing to it reviewing it. And if you think there's a friend out there that might enjoy it please screenshot your phone and send them a text or post it on your social media. It really helps us grow and it does mean so so much to us. So thanks in advance and I hope you like this one. Okay, let's go. Where are we reborn Miami Miami, but we were I mean like every other Cuban in the world right now Cuba, but we moved out when I was three to New Jersey so I spent half my life in New Jersey have my life here in California. So from zero to three Miami, then three to like Junior High, New Jersey Junior High got it. Did you guys have family in Miami? Is that why you were? Yes, so my dad's whole side of the family in Miami. My mom's is in New Jersey. How cute. Yeah, wait, so then your how are you? What's your ethnicity both? My parents are Cuban. So I'm first generation American. Wow. Yeah, so they came they came from Cuba got it. And what's your siblings situation? My I have a sister. Who's my best friend? She's 20 months older than me and she's the best. He's like a unicorn. She has four kids only every day. Does she live here in California? She was yeah in Valencia. Yeah. She's awesome. What was your Dynamic with her as a young girl? Like we're you guys super close was there any like, what did you guys function? In the same space sometimes like I feel like my sister and I were super different. So we had these like separate identity paths. Yeah, but no guys, we were swell. She was way more sporty than I was I tried. I like my first cross-country me I grew up like this isn't for me. But no, we were closed except High School when she would like borrow my clothes without asking I think I kicked her in the face once it's no big deal. No, that's what happened. It happened. This is a risk, but we're super close. Like I actually think sometimes I'm a little The social with friends because I don't like I have her for the rest of my life. Yeah. Yeah. I love that though because you also I know Sabrina we met when we were like doing a pilot or something. Yeah the right and I remember I met you immediately and I was like, you're so much fun. And then Trish you and Trish were like bestest friend. Oh my God, I feel like the two of us together are amazing, but it's like she's your sister she is sister out. Here it is. I am so I'm so grateful for her friendship and she's been become especially like going through such hard times last year. She was My strength let's explain to him who doesn't know who Trish's is just a friend Racers. Trish suhr is a comedian and organizational expert. She used to be on a show called clean house. Yes, so she is really funny. She's from Kentucky. We couldn't be more opposite like seriously opposite Arena like locks and she looks like she may be just came off a Runway. Yeah, very chic. I'm just like Hey Y'all what's going on here, but they just like, you know you they want them to run separately and then they meet each other and like I love it, but she actually texted me. This how Coast because we didn't talk yesterday. God forbid and she's like, I feel like I'm missing my head answer your phone. Get out like girl. That's fantastic. Say a.m. This morning. That's fantastic. Oh, is that how close does your sister ever get jealous that your tonight? So close to Trish. Yeah, of course sometimes you know, and I think probably vice versa but they are both love each other as well. That's so sad. I think my sister just gets jealous that we Patricia and I get to spend so much time together only construes doesn't have kids I now so it's you know how that is. So growing up was our room. Yeah, I was gonna say so, you know, Remember much from Miami probably because you were still little so most of your childhood those images are from Jersey. So what what's childhood like in your house in New Jersey when you're six, seven eight years old lots of family over. I remember a lot of gossiping in the backyard. Unfortunately people smoking. I don't know. What's happening. I don't know. What's I think they were drinking Lancers wine. Do you remember Lancers answers why no was out of a box it no, it was it was like this red weird bottle. I just remember that always being around and I think it's My grandfather it fell off a truck and she's not get cases of it. And yeah, a lot of things fell off a truck from my grandfather. He gave me a cabbage wouldn't the Cabbage Patch Kids were all the rage one again fell off the truck, but it wasn't even a real Cabbage Patch Kid. He was like no it's a better it was a bootlegger. Yeah. It was a positive. It had to get I like pink hair but I mean it wasn't like the normal yarn here. It was messed up. So, okay I want to say is for everyone that is listening. That doesn't know exactly what Sabrina does As you are on Extreme Makeover, I was on Extreme Makeover HGTV Trading Spaces while you're out and on ABC right now to correct. No, it's not the longer happy no longer happening. So I was doing the ABC show, but then I got pregnant so I couldn't travel anymore. So they gave it to my best friend another of us friend of mine Tanya. So she's hosting the show. That's right. You're super close to 10 years. Yeah. So okay Loves You by the way, she does she is obsessed with you. I follow her too. So you do. Okay. I feel like we have this little like, yeah, I'm gonna shoot Like a week, we we had no idea what we were doing together. I know why are all these I still don't know how to women together being flown to Atlanta God for some type of payment never went into anything, but we all got to know each other so well and it was amazing because we're like, oh my God, she's like a ridiculous organizer. Also, I do. Yeah, I do organization carrier and Interiors. Yeah. I mean, it's an entertaining kind of like you guys though. You do it all again. I want to figure out how you got there. So we're going we're going that's not my setup was trying to be like who you are now and how you became what you saw. I got my HGTV job on I'll tell you the story wait wait, you're so not even there yet. Okay, good good. I just don't know. What did you do as a kid? Were you a sports kid? No theater geek were no science were no IDs. No really. I was super crafty. Okay. So my mom was a party planner and she was interior designer growing up and I would be with her every weekend doing crafts making little like those back. Remember the boxes that were covered in in fabric with the glass like those with ribbon. Always be on in hand with an amazing ever since I was a kid and super organized. Like I got all the books in my house and I made a pretend library and I used to make my sister come and check stuff out a lot of time on my fantastic. Oh my gosh. How cool so when you were like middle school high school? What how were you like socially were you super Euler? Well, yeah, what was social life? Like I was super. Yeah, I would say I was popular but I was friends with everyone. Very social but also very dramatic like in high school. I was they made me most talented and I went to the principal's office is how dramatic I was and I went to the principal's office. I was like, I can't accept this is like some amazing award is like what it was like, I don't feel like I'm most talented. He's like get out of my office like okay the best thing I've ever heard that is amazing - I got an award like that. But I think I have a picture of it the in here. It's got to be in the yearbook yet is your what is the Did the guy that won most talented dude, his name is John Shaw. What's he doing? I think he's an artist. Okay. Yeah. See you earned that your students your peoples new they can see it in you and I really wanted best here. You do have amazing hair without you cheerleader. No, well some nothing none of that sports-related. Well, none of that that okay. Did you work when you were in like high school and stuff? Yeah. So my parents went through really hard financial time when I was 14, so I actually had to get a special permit to Work so I worked at a modeling agency. That was a total like Croc Croc like one of those words like yeah parmesan. Yes, it was like that. But whatever they were paying me then I started working at Hot Dog on a stick. Yes. So they were paying me good 650 an hour take it I took it in that little outfit you get was so cute hat. Oh my gosh, and so like what in a mall in you did wrong and roaming in the Birmingham all yes. So that's once you moved here. Yeah. Okay. So you moved here at what age Junior High junior high, so Six seven eight somewhere around there. So your last seven were like, I'm great. Okay, so you're 12. Yeah, no well, so no, actually I started high school and I was 13. So I was 11. Wow. I think my mom wanted to get me out of the house when I was little so she was like, you're gonna start kindergarten go. When's your birthday December? Oh, so you write later. Yeah. So you went earlier than you should have. Yeah. I don't think that was the right choice, but my almost like you're fine. She's like, I'm sort of over pain child. Okay, so hot dog on a stick. That's what you're doing. So I've been working since I was 14. I've never not worked then it's just made me but what did your parents do you said what your mom what would you do to my dad was a TV producer? Really? Yeah, so he wait so that's kind of like Perfect You're a combination. I don't know. I think I did that on purpose. I'm sure I'm looking for Bono, but that is so funny how so many like people like you always wonder how someone became who they are and it's like you have such a knack for it and it makes sense because you grew up around it. I know but I never A million years thought that I would be doing this. I thought I'd be doing TV work like TV hosting work but never designing on TV ever, but I think that's what's so interesting because nowadays and we've talked about this in the past whereas before it used to be just hosting and someone just had to kind of be the mediator or just talking to a camera and now it helps so much when you actually have a skill set right bringing to the table. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing right like the shows have your skill set has lent yourself to those shows so much. So no sense knock on wood. Yeah. It's gonna happen when you were growing up. Yup, what was there like a strong faith did did religion play a part and I went to Catholic school, but I got I would also tell me I would pretend that I had a stomachache every time like it was time to go to the Bible study so bad that I mean like pretend real like oh my mom really loves it. So then I am all of a sudden a doctor's office and they're giving me an enema. I was like wait. No I was walking. I just know. Call in an antibiotic is it styled I can you imagine and I swear I remember I was like no, I promised my pictures didn't want to go to find you know, what an enema was. No, but I wonder sticking stuff. Yeah up your ass. You'll be clear. What's happening here. You're gonna be fine. We got to figure out what's wrong with you. I'm like, oh my gosh. It's so other other aspects of school. I'm going to have a cool didn't bother you. It was just the Bible study. Yeah. It was I just never liked it. I don't know. I actually never liked school either. ER yeah ever I remember being in second grade and my teacher accusing me of plagiarism and I swear. Can you imagine I was happy to come on like we're making it was a poem that I wrote. He didn't believe that I actually wrote it. He actually called my mom in and ever since then I think I've just never liked he didn't believe you wrote it because it sounded familiar because every time a good it's well. I don't remember the whole poem. But I remember part of it was like as the wind howls through the window pane which is so stupid, but he was like your six you didn't like that. But I did I know I need to find where that yeah, let's shame him on social media. That's what we do now. Right. Did you go to college I did but I never finished. Okay, where'd you go to school ready start. So I started in community college and then I went to UCLA extension for design. But again, like yeah did not like it have you felt that you're the reason that you didn't like school was because that wasn't the kind of environment that you learn best in or you didn't like big like did you ever figure out what it was about? It's cool. It's still like I still can't go to the movies. I'm 42 years old and I can't sit still for two hours like sitting there but I'm staying I just want to get up you want to be doing doing I'm sure I do so his were you always like that as a kid? Like you just constantly going going going? Yes. I know like orally. It's so interesting because we've been doing these interviews where we interview each other and like orally just was a worker from the get-go. Whereas I feel like most kids some kids will be like, I'm gonna go play it. I'm gonna spend my Summers doing this so you were just constantly going something. I mean, I also I remember I took all the pins in our house and Drew a list a list of what the pain was the color and then align wow, like what go outside what made you like that - I have no idea. Did you see your parents just with their work ethic and know I don't know interesting because I mean it's like nature versus nurture right? Are they were they and are they still happily married? No, they are not happily married were there. I mean, yeah growing up. I don't remember any problems. It wasn't like you trying to Has your chaotic life? No, it wasn't that it was just a desire a love that you had. It was just got when they broke up it was done and I was were you when they 14? Oh gosh, so, all right around yeah when you moved here, yeah that why you moved here. No, no, okay, he moved away and then you know, that's when I had to go back to work, but they actually got the divorce a day of the Northridge Earthquake and I'm home alone because my mom had to fly to Florida for the divorce and it was home alone. So, where were you what did you do? Well, of course, I had a bunch of people over because we were like I had a party It was a bunch of teenagers in a house on a hill in Burbank Northridge Earthquake. Thank effing more that like all those parents didn't sue the crap out of your parents for being like, you know, like putting all their kids in danger or something like that was totally happened. It'll be like she has a job at hot dogs too kind of doing her for that 650 an hour your wages are mine bitch. So was there a fond memory of yours from your childhood that you're like that was the best thing and that was like the worst you know that you're funny that you're asking me that I was Just talking to my sister about that the other day because my therapist asked me what's like, give me a good childhood memory and I'm like, I don't really remember a lot of things with my parents. I remember a lot of things with my sister, which is weird. Yeah, is that just cause you didn't feel like where they always working and you didn't relate to them or I don't know what and I have no idea but now you're close to your mom. Yeah. I'm close to both of them. It's interesting, huh? Yeah, I don't know. So your favorite like just maybe hang out with your sister just like camping with my sister being in the backyard with my sister, you know. I don't know. It wasn't anything like oh, I remember that's really nice Mom and Dad. Yeah, it wasn't and then when did boys come into the picture Owen? I was in first grade. So Q we need to find him too. Oh and I like it Owen but I broke up with him because I thought he was gonna try to kiss me at the school day. I was going to ask you was your first kiss. No, he wasn't my first kiss was Zoltan result at Zoltan. Yeah, okay, mr. Z everything for you. I was in I was in eighth grade going to 9th grade, so He's kind of old you waited. Yeah, good for you girlfriend. Thanks impressive. Well, when did you do you you didn't want to be in school? But like did you always know you wanted to do something artsy or creative? I knew I always wanted to be on TV you did make sure like I have video of me as a kid pretending to be on the screen so - oh, I still want to be able to read a sentence. That's all we talk about. I'm somewhere was that Georgia server Atlanta? Yeah, but when I like in I was at meditation this morning and for a minute, I was like met envisioning like visualizing and I still visualize being in a studio. Yep doing this Arena so - oh, yeah, so I have to make it happen. You didn't get out there. Yeah, you will I mean you're killing or your hustle you are literally and the definition of a hustler. I am have your on like rug line out. I'm coming out with furniture next year saying I have a jewelry line coming out with 31 bits at the end of the year and also, A necklace with st. Jude for their holiday Catalonia Christmas. It's amazing. That's so amazing. So I want to I want to hear my podcast and the podcast. Yes have to loosen my podcast. It's fantastic. I listened to this morning and it really does feel like you're sitting with you like add a little table just talking and you're like sharing information you're sharing your experience. Sometimes crying sometimes right? Hey listen, if anyone knows that, it's me, I'm the crawleys the cry. I cry all the time. I love a good cry. Yeah, it's fantastic. Everything will be in the show notes, but and I want to I want to like make sure that we get into I want to know what's the design process all that stuff. But I want to know first. What was your so we are out of college basically, right? What was your first job that's in alignment with what you do today? Like what was that first step that first opportunity in this category. I think it was helping a real estate friend. My mom's help stage houses. So she kind of that's where I started the design and then I got into real estate, but my first TV job was an MTV. A show called The Big Urban myth show. Wait, what did you do for them? I was a host of the show, but then ended up going to series but host list, but that was my first like real big ones. I thought I was going to make it like of Mars. You lose my daughter. I'm yeah, I'm hungry you at this point I think 21. Okay. Yeah. I mean that's I feel like all of us have that similar experience when you have dreams of entertainment and you get that first opportunity like okay, so then that's I mean, I guess that's the My story really kicks off and like all of a sudden you're like wait Nothing's Gonna Change. My whole life doesn't change. I actually think they paid me $500 if that and you're like a week of good. Yeah. I got this you got this. I'm moving out. Yeah, I was already out. By the way, it's one of those interesting things as you're like wolves my calling someone's sought me out. Yeah and offered me this job. So obviously this is where it belongs and what was that show like what was it? It was about like Urban myths like how Tupac still alive so I would go and investigate into popular, too. Papa's it was just ridiculous my gosh, but my first then real big show is dating story on TLC. So I hosted 85 episodes of that. Yeah back-to-back and what was that audition process? Like how did that show come into your life? I think I had an agent of the time. I remember that audition because I left there and I started crying because I thought I'd done so bad and I was embarrassed and I'm friends with the woman who ended up hiring me and she told me to this day like I screwed up so bad, but I was so funny that they're like, it's fine. Just teach her how to see you using now. Yeah. Yeah, so they put me in like TV host boot camp. And that was it. Did you feel like when you were doing those those classes that you were figuring out how to be you but better or did it feel like it was changing. There is a colossal waste of time. All that legal thing was like pretend you're talking to my your friend. I'm like shut up. You're not my friend out of you know, you are like, duh, but you know what? I think that's really funny what I think that that shows is more so that the person who was casting you. Actually believed in you because I guess that's the biggest thing. Yes, right because I think it's all of those things these opportunities come about because someone was like, you know what you're super green, but I know we can teach you you're going to be fine. You're a good person. I know you want to do this. Let's just make it happen. Right like whatever it takes to make that happen and you guys know like doing TV. It's like the first couple of shows. Yeah, they're always suck. But you know, like, you know, you just feel better by doing. Yeah, it goes for anything on a Persona. So get better by doing such a good lesson not going to school. Yeah when you were doing by the way to nist, I mean, I don't believe in people going. School stay in school folks II tend to follow along your they know I kind of all along your line of thinking when you were doing staging and real estate stuff. This was before so this was around 20 or 21. Yeah, but I would do either TV work or designing staging or real estate. Like I was doing work in time. They weren't the same never story never interesting. I would do one or the other and don't you think like at the time was that and were there enough shows out there that you could see yourself taking your design stuff and being on TV and that they would murder It's not even in my like on my radar. What happened was I watched the secret before the secret was huge. So back before it was on Oprah. My girlfriend told me about it and you could download it for $4.95 on the internet. So I'm watching it and my then husband because I'm divorced came home. And I said I'm gonna be on TV again. We just got married. I was making a lot of money on real estate and he was like, why are you crazy? Like we just got married? Why do you want to start auditions? What like 10 years ago? No, this is Fifteen years ago Kerr 2008. Let's see. It was 2007. Okay. So you're 12 years ago. So he was like, he's a kind of telling me like you are making good money. You don't need to be doing that again and that night. I fell asleep the next morning. I woke up. I couldn't sleep and I went on Craigslist and there was an ad out. They were looking for a designer who had TB experience and not my face. Yeah, and that was my first a TV show on Craigslist and it was on a TV. It was a If I need to have another friend that did something like that and it was amazing. It was like on it was exactly that it was either on Craigslist or what was the other one that we people used to go on further monster track or one of those and it was the same thing but it was like when digital was happening. Yeah, and the show ended up blowing up but it's like one of those things you just in the most unassuming places that that would happen and it was the next module and that shows huge. Yeah what HGTV shows that was get it sold and that was supposed to be like a filler show. They didn't even think it was going to do well and ended up becoming one of the top. Five shows. So when you see this post and it says looking for interior designers with TV experience contact. It didn't say yes to TV just like has put out there. Yep. So you contact them and I kept going about my day. I started working out to prep myself to be back on TV. So I would tell myself like I need to get back on Tina camera ready, even though I know Egypt nothing. How did this affect did this bother your husband at the time we're divorced right? So but was that the impetus for like, what do you think? No because the show took me to Washington. See so and he didn't want to move so we would see each other once maybe twice a month and this is when the show like in the beginning the shows like doing a pilot thing. So you might you don't know what's happening right there. Like you might be here for six months. I was there for five years, but like are really the excuse me our relationship just started falling apart because I would come home and I'd feel almost out of touch and by the time I warmed up to being with him again, I believe so just forget how much like time away actually creates problems. So, I don't know how people do long time. I know long distance. Interesting. Yeah, but wait, can I I think that that's so interesting. That's a point you bring up because I feel like I've been with my husband for so long since I was so young and so you orally but like I always wondered now I've operated with such a mentality of like us first and then work and we will somehow make it work, but do you feel like you were you do you think that that was something that you were like, this is a dream of mine that I've wanted to happen, so I don't care if my marriage suffers by you did unfortunately, but be Has I when I my parents relationship fell apart I saw my mom crumble and we became dirt poor in the in a matter of weeks and I remember always saying like yes, I also obviously I want to be a great wife, but I have to support myself and unfortunately, if you're not going to support me then I have to make a decision and I'm glad I did you have to lie Lan server via you have the things wrong that no, but you had an example from your own childhood from your own family. To you of what happens when you don't put you first, right? And and also, I'm sure a lot of it had to do with the fact that when you shared a dream you didn't get fuck. Yes, let's do this, right if I got your back and you got nothing you're making your own and it is sort of keep you you know, I don't know him at all to know if this was the thing but it's a little bit of like kind of keep you small where I know I can contribute a little better as opposed to something else. He's a great guy by the way remarried now with the beautiful sun like I'm so happy for him. It just wasn't my ear with my person. Yeah, but the problem is to that I'm starting to realize in all of my therapy is that I have become two independent that it's really hard for a man to like come into your life. Yeah, we kind of I don't bring her. You don't need it. I don't need anyone and I need to start like softening up that way. It's interesting though because it's like such a great lesson to learn I think at a young age because I would say him on the opposite like my parents have a great marriage and they never I didn't have an example that showed me what it was like without that and they both We'll work together. So it was like a different feeling but I think that that's such an interesting takeaway that that is what has made you so independent which I think is great. Now you just have to learn how to soften up a little bit. Yeah, baby let that person in your life. But as far as getting to where you are right now all of that because I mean again the way you hustle is amazing, but your work ethic is on a different level. Yeah, and so you have that had to come from somewhere and that's where it's like you think about digging people write like remember when we were thinking about having you on the show is like but Sabrina has like six thousand things going on. Now is sheer single mother. It's insane. I know I know I'm really tired. You don't look at it. I have to soften up. I mean like the first date that I went on on the first date. I asked him what his credit score was like that was what was important to me. That's not probably the sweetest that's not like boner-inducing 3-minute challenges. So we have this thing on the podcast called the three minute challenge because Brandi talks about which is always very surprising when Brandi talks about things like blow jobs. I Imagine hilarious, but she's talking about how she seemed like sometimes just likes to give him a blow job because then it's like it's like, you know two minutes. They're like they're done. But what about her was just saying like she doesn't necessarily need anything. She wants to get back to her work, but she won't like she's a good idea to get sweaty. I don't become a mess. And so we were joking I was saying I would do that if my husband didn't take fucking forever. So looking and he listened to the podcast and he goes, all right. All right an idea an idea, what about we do a little like three minute challenge I get three minutes and and I think I can I can do it in three minutes. I can't randomly when he wants a BJ he goes through maybe didn't have you done it yet because he'll finish it work, you know, there's a time. I'm not here for the freaking like move it like timer on your iPhone and literally look at the clock and I go it's 12:01 get it going. Let's do this broseph. Okay, so that's the 3 minute challenge. I love it conversation and it's a good one that somehow pops up every single podcast it. So, okay. So you're in Washington your work in HD, you're like living life. Yeah and your marriage then grumbles grumbles. Yes, and now we're you what where are we age-wise? And what year is this? I think I was 31. Okay, and I stayed in DC for five years and then I met Olivia's dad there DC. He was actually the sound guy in my show. So you guys met on the set. So we kind of made sense because it you were you knew that that's what you wanted to do. Yeah, and it and then Exact was with me every single day for the next like seven years working with me. So what was that relationship like? Oh my God. He's like the complete opposite of me. Like super quiet really nice. Not that I'm that nice, but just like soup thoughtful just soft being and I'm like a come in like a bull in a China closet. We could probably balanced each other. Yeah very much Jeannie. Yeah very much. I do love that about you when I first met you you do come in very strong. But I mean, it's good. It's like you're like what? Yeah, what do you mean? You have like that? You're totally a cute new or New Yorker Cuban your Cuban. Totally. I'm very blunt living in California yesterday. What is that? Why is this happening? I don't like it. I don't like to waste time. Yeah, I don't need the hello. How are you? Curious? What do you need until you get to know you and then you're like stop cursing. Yeah, and then you're like that, you know, and I feel like it's so funny because I keep talking about Trish but like she totally brings that out. And yeah because orally if you were to meet her it's literally like someone that you just wouldn't imagine being best friends with your all of a sudden like Yeah, got a close as a people, you know, they're getting it but Olivia I was also softened me up and Olivia can introduce who Livia's Olivia's my daughter. She's three and a half Going on 30. She really is but being a mom has really softened me up. I mean, I was way worse before she came around. So when you guys were on set you guys, how long were you dating before Olivia came into the picture? Oh while eight years, but I when we started dating, I remember telling him I'm going to have your child and I never wanted kids before you leave. Yeah, like I used to tell my ex-husband were not having what was it about him that changed your mind. I don't know but I remember where we were standing and I remember saying I'm going to have your child what weight and with your ex-husband. Was that ever like did he was that like a gang but I wish you guys could see the face. No, it was fine. I don't think he wanted kids back then but do you know Olivia's dad and I only tried once whoa, wow, only tried once to get pregnant and that was it. So there you go. What was meant what was dating like like with him? Like what were what did you guys do? What was your life like when you were living there and we're bringing together. Yeah, like, you know what? I mean, like what was the courtship and the relationship like before the heads of government was there wasn't really a courtship because we work together and we were friends first. Yeah, so I've missed that and that's what I was, you know, unfortunately, he and I broke up last year, but I'm was looking forward to being courted because I haven't Dated first and 15 years and I haven't really been hoarded in 15 years. Yeah. Yeah because you guys just went from like working and seeing each other and kind of like, oh, he's cool. She's cool. And then the banter that playfulness and we like guys like go out after work and like let's grab a drink and like that kind of thing kind of what we played house like to quickly. Yeah, like let's just go to the house and cook when all of a sudden it was like wait. What happened to dating? Was there a reason why you guys didn't get married? Or was that more? Just something that you're like I've done this before I let's just be partners in beginning. He really want to get married and I said, I just got out of the divorce and I was like, I don't need to get married again. So is like years of me saying that and then I flipped and I wanted to get married. He was like what happened to this just a piece of paper and it just never happened. It never happened and we were together for ten years. That's a long time isn't as a decade. It is a long time. How did you find out you were pregnant? I was shooting and my cameraman Andy told me I looked a little pudgy freaking Andy and we didn't David he was like you looking a little swollen and I know so the next morning I woke up and of course I went and got all this low carb low calorie food and I was and I was like, you know what I'll take a pregnancy test tubes we did try and I took the pregnancy test for even unloaded the groceries and Steve was still sleeping and I ran upstairs and I'm like Look at this and it was like that it gave him the pregnancy test and he just looked down and he was like wait you just peed on this? Oh my God. This is not the movie Magic like moment because was a grabby twirling around. No that didn't happen. You're talking about my urine so dumb he was shocked and so was I we only tried once it doesn't happen like that? No. No, he doesn't in the dust, you know, but it didn't it's not even like I was timing it either. Yeah, we had no idea and if you aren't either It's like a small window smallest window when you actually find out you're like man. I've been being careful for so long. I can barely have gotten pregnant that whole time. Yeah, so did have is when that happened and you finally realize like, okay I'm pregnant and this is happening. Was it did it become complicated with work like it. Was it something harder than to digest that you guys were working together living together starting this family together out of that all know. Everything was just fine. I pregnancy was super easy for me and work was okay with it. And yeah, just I was like just growing. Yeah, but you can Good, I felt great. Yeah, I mean super emotional, you know that lots of crying eyes reason. Yes. Yeah. Other than that, it was fine. I didn't feel nauseous and you were working through the pregnancy or the most part but I did I did kind of stopped for a while and then I stopped after until Olivia was like three months old and I started working again and Steve was still working at the time. Yeah, he was still sounding on the show. He was doing other stuff OK shows and then were you guys doing You see at this time. No, we were here in La. Okay. Oh, sorry. This show was now in a LOL. Yeah, I was doing work like here and there are not any God, but not like a series just like one-offs here and there do you think you would have more kids? I think about that and I'm open to it if it's the right situation, but I also know how hard it is just with Olivia alone doing it by myself. And I just couldn't imagine two people relying on me. Yeah right now. Yeah, so would have to be like a good Salt Lick situation where the hell it was a very healthy relationship healthy family Dynamics. Yeah, and then I'd be open to it, but I'm kind of like getting to that point that I'm going to have to shit or get off the pot. You have to make a decision. You mean is wise yeah, just with the having. Yeah with a well, you know, I think what's interesting too is because like me or lean Brandi, we all have Partners right that we share our responsibilities that when you get home tonight now, I know that you know, it's really interesting. I love having you on here because you are a phenomenal woman like in everything you do you provide you care for your daughter and you work your butt off and doing so and you do it with such class and Grace, what would you say is the the biggest input and advice to other single moms that are going out there and hustling what it orally and I were talking about earlier just being so hard on myself there are days that I don't because we are free. We're all sort of Freelancers. Yeah, so it's up to me to vote of eight myself and there are days if I'm going through it. I just don't feel like doing it and it I really been so hard on myself that just lately for instance my podcast I was doing it every week and it's a lot because I'm doing it by myself and Last week I was I was really forcing myself to think of something to talk about and finally just let it go. You know what I'm not going to put out a podcast this week and that's okay. So just being a little bit more kind to yourself and knowing that you know, it's okay. If not, everything gets done. I think that is probably the best advice. I mean we talked about all the time how especially being moms and in sort of the public life, right? We put our lives out there on social media all the time and what we do it's so hard to constantly think like I need to do more and you do more I have some more content. I got to have of this and I got to have this and it's okay to step back and take a breather and take care of yourself. That's right. Yeah the same thing with social I was posting every single day because that's also how we make money with Brands and I just was forcing it. So just not forcing anything anymore when I get to it I'll get to it and if you guys going to be okay, and I think it's really powerful to try to take the time to really figure out as we were time out like again right before we started but like what is really like your as it pertains to? Work not as it pertains to your daughter and your family and your love life and relationships as it pertains to work. Like what is really your purpose in work? And what is that? What are the things that are really aligning with that? Because I just have found that the clearer I get on those things. The work is easier. Literally it comes easier. The opportunities are easier. The work itself is easier and the busyness of like I did it it goes away because it's so clear when that one's not right and that one's not right and then you can just say goodbye to those things that aren't fulfilling. You and in one way or another what would you say your purposes for work? So for me, I have like three word that in my mind. If I'm not doing one of the three things it's a waste of my time. So I want to be entertaining inspiring and educating for me. It's those three things. I want the work that I'm doing. If it's DIY that it is inspiring people to get on get in there and make something if they're learning something. I want it to be funny. I want it to be entertaining. I want them to have a laugh and feel better when they walk away like to me whether it's the podcast or the YouTube show or the segment's I do on home and family or the show that I want to create in the You're like it's those things and if it doesn't look even as working with Brands, I've been starting to say no to ninety percent of the emails. I'm getting because if they're not willing to pay enough that I can produce a piece of content that's in your cow. In fact, I don't want to I'm not I don't want to do an Instagram story right with the tide pod, right? That's not like so now I'm like, oh that's easy. That's easy. No, thank you. Yeah, it's going to cost this to produce that kind of thing. And if you can't but that's brand new like literally a month old. Yes, but But I cannot tell you the weight that you feel lifted like the biggest deep breath all the time. Now, it's the craziest fricking thing. It happened. But it was when I soon as I got super super clear about what What mattered to me like have you do you know for yourself as it pertains to Career like your purpose if you had the Sabrina Soto show what is to be the same thing what's happening is like being humorous, but also inspiring and King transparent. Yes scene. It's very to be a Super Key, especially this time in my life and it's so good with about well, I well I'm I'm an open book because I'm not ashamed I should be ashamed to so thanks, but I'm I'm not because I I feel like other people we all are putting up this front and social media and I still post beautiful pictures and social media because I like that sort of magazine feed but I also share my truth of all this, you know, trials and tribulations that I've been through in the last year. Yeah, and it's inspiring other people to live in their truth, too. Because if we're all going to just pretend it's a waste of time and it only puts pressure on everybody to pretend to be perfect. Nobody's life is perfect. No one's no one so true it is I mean, it's so true and you don't know what your life looks pretty for. Not at all. She's a freaking disaster. What do you think about what it would mean to you with her? Just being empowering her to be independent strong Fearless which she is and being kind but I also now live my life. I asked myself if this was Olivia's life would would I be okay with it and sometimes it's your life. Yes. Oh wow. So I start thinking like if Olivia was acting like this or if Olivia was making these choices would I be okay with it if it's ever know that it really like wakes me up. That's a great bar. That's a good part. Yeah. That's like the thing we did something a couple episodes ago. We were talking about the realization when you talk about what you hope for your kids. Right and it's so simple. It's like I want them to be happy and want to be fulfilled and have good relationships and you know provide something to whatever it's like these clear things yet. We don't hold those as the only things that matter to us. That's where all the other bullshit matters to us. And so Brandy had this great idea of like write a letter of all the things that you hope for your daughter all the things you hope her life will be like and then scratch out her name and write your own. Yeah and reread it and it such a powerful thing. I think that is the most perfect way of looking through her eyes. Like if you were watching her living your life, right? I think that is such fantastic advice. Yeah. Well because I've been going to love that. Yes, so it's like I'm writing and I'm like literally writing it as we speak. That's a really good point. Where were you going to say? You're going to say that just oh and also yeah there are there have been Things of me like it when dealing with the hard times that I think I talked about this on the podcast that I started drinking wine like glasses of wine after I would put her to bed and I started realizing it was like my pal and I thought I like one morning something like what am I doing? Because it sounds so crazy, but it was almost like my friend like because I was so lonely I would put her sleep and I'd be like Oh, I'm gonna unwind and do laundry again Jam Wine and then it became like this really doesn't sound crazy at like it doesn't sound crazy. Yeah, but it doesn't sound crazy and I was like if Olivia was doing this when she's older what I'd be like, hey girl check yourself. Yeah. It was like I can't do that. They actually say there's there's the study and I have to find it but there's a study about like how doctors are actually calling it like a stay-at-home. I mean they call it the stay-at-home mom syndrome thing, but it's about how more moms are actually doing playdates and like, you know nighttime bedtime routine and they're incorporating way too much alcohol. Yes there have it's like an actual detection but With that do how do you find time to do everything you do? Because like I'm you come home you you know the alcohol was there whatever you have a glass of wine. How do you do everything else? I don't know. I am I talked about this a few weeks ago to podcast to there are days that I'm like if there was a GoPro on my head. Nobody would believe I got this much done. Yeah, but then there are other days that I just I do self care and I'll meditate and I'll do a massage and I'll put everything. Aside, but I just try to balance it all I I am very fast at the way I'm very efficient and a very resourceful. I see some people doing the same things that I do and it takes way like what I have a friend I watched them make lunch for their kid, and I wanted to like crawl out of my skin. What in God's name are you doing? Can I say one thing I admire about you a lot is you have a ridiculous not only work ethic. But also like you're you're so regimented with your diet. Yes. I am. I've been plant-based now for three and a half years. It's crazy. And I don't ever cheat. How did that start? It was posted that a challenge for my manager. He was like, let's do this for 30 days and I felt so much better. I've lost 14 pounds. You look incredible. I you don't even know. Which I eat it's insane and I eat bread and pasta and pizza and ice creams. I mean I get to eat everything. I've been missing out on and I just feel great. I feel so different. That's the biggest thing. Yeah is the energy especially when you are juggling like you're saying needing to be the self starter and the motivator in yourself needing to have that energy for your daughter needing to all that stuff the mental energy for a creative job like you need to be on it. Yes. You can't be sluggish. No, it's like energy and I just feel like I loved your tip for Doing that when you're on the road or traveling or on a project cause I feel like that's the hardest thing on the road to Paris, but weirdly now like Burger King and Taco Bell. Everybody has a vegan option now so for fast food, but like avocado, I sometimes when I'm on the road for like shooting I'll bring a toaster with me. So I make avocado. I remember you broke my promise with you. I had a toaster you're writing kind of toaster and her and then I wanted to say she's like I know how to party. Mia toaster, I'll be fine. I used to I used it and I was like I would be pissed I will be playing but I mean listen you look incredibly you've always enjoyed credible since I've known you. I'm sure I mean you always have but I'm I'm always an odd that because you are on the go constantly and you know, I mean for me I always think like plant-based means you have to be in your kitchen kind of know you'll probably think about it fruits and vegetables already in their own packaging just put in your burgers. Do we have your cruise? Do you have a side from avocado toast? Do you have like a go-to recipe like when you're entertaining? Like someone could try for dinner tonight. I have a great paella like a chickpea paella that I make that he's he incredible. It really tastes so good. Is it a simple enough recipe that you could walk it through? Yeah. Well, it's a over there book called vegan for to the in for to I believe that's what it's called. I can find it. I can link it. It's great. It's really is the great paella. I have a question about motherhood a little bit Yeah, are there any non-negotiables you have? Olivia as far as like Not like I'm like personality traits but like character traits that you you will not have a child that X y&z absolutely be like, those are non-negotiables. I don't care about this this and this but we're not even around when it comes to these are there things like that for you that are like you're sharing. Yeah being mean things like that. It's just an it's not happening at all. But I have this conversation with my friends blah blah like nature versus nurture. Olivia is super fearless and really independent. I don't know if she just was like Or I had like a part to play in that. I don't know where it's a little bit of both, but she is super social when we go to the park till she doesn't even need to be to be next or she'll go introduce her to like herself to the kids. And I love that. I was eating with her out the other night and there were these two girls there are playing with these dolls. And she said can I go play with them and I was like great she was said hi. My name's Olivia. Can I play with your dolls? And the guy who's sitting next to it was like how old is she like that? She's so personable first again. I love that about Her so, I just know that that's a big product of you. I hope so. I have to imagine that it is she probably sees what a badass you are and well entertain a lot because I it's hard for me to go out with her. So there's constantly people at my house like playing with her we have food and it's always like a full group of people. So she has a lot of aunts and uncles I love that. So because you do entertain at home a lot and you have Olivia home with you, how would you say you meet people like, how are you going to date? So so dating and what's that like right now for you and Life, it's not non-existent know it's non-existent. So that's something that you put in your list of like what I want this for Olivia. Now, I know I have to I know I have to get better at like putting myself out there and going out. It's just that she doesn't give an f what time I go to sleep. She still wakes up at 5:30. So yeah, so it's like God do I want to be out? No, I get it. But I am going on a trip next week. I'm taking a trip to France and south of France and Spain by myself without Olivia, Olivia. So I feel like how long are you gone for Indies? Oh my gosh, that's incredible. I'm so scared. I'm so scared. Oh my God. How did you solve decided to know my cousins getting married? Okay. So I've just saying seven his mom and sister going to want sisters who she's gonna be with their dad and some of my friends nanny for 10 days, but I have never traveled internationally by myself. Wow, and I'm so not that a liberating experience. I think it's going to be like my Eat Pray Love moment you to like write the shit out of that trip. So I got internal and like right and like be that person not to do a podcast while you're out there too. Oh my God, I well. How would I know but whatever figure it out. Yeah. I'm so scared. And so excited at the same time. Does she get it? Have you been like prepping her like mom's gonna be gone for a little bit. Yeah. She doesn't understand why she's not going. She's like I want to go to France and like she's like, I would do great in Paris. It's have you married me. I don't know where she got that. But yeah, I'm going to need some mom advice on how to Through those two. Okay. So let's say you go to Paris and it's like I'm a goddamn buzzing and you meet a fabulous man. Like it was they're non-negotiable with bringing someone around to Olivia. I don't think I would introduce Olivia to somebody like it for at least six months got it, you know for sure but I'm also like you don't understand I like my dating. I've id'd it a lot my twenties, but it's been so long. Like I've never even had a one-night stand in my life ever. Never never know. Who's I don't know it's a self- talk like who's gonna want to date somebody who has a kid and it's not but ones of people I know are you kidding me? But I do think that brings up a great point for all the single moms that are out there. I mean, I hear it enough from my single friends who don't have kids that are like how difficult it is to date, you know, and how hard it is to find other people that are compatible to me. Like I just don't know if I'm ever gonna find someone like what do you think is your biggest fear about Being a single mom when it comes to finding that partner. I don't know. I mean I've had really good luck when I do meet someone because I think because I am so transparent but yeah, I mean I worry about where I'm going to find somebody not necessarily A Gwen but where he's unless he's the UPS Olivia is also three and a half. So I forget that like when you guys start school and stuff that my yeah, they're going to be a lot of Christine. I'm gonna need a hug between now and then people during the exercise to hug a ton of people figure out. What about each of them you like you could you would take with you if you could put it together and just to get again like super clear in your mind on like what does he because he's out there right? Like what does he look and feel like what's his Vibe and it's almost like frankensteining it like Robbing, all these different things and putting it together and starting to build out this very clear. So it's like you'll know it when you see it, you know, yeah, I wrote a list of the other day of everything I'm looking for. Yes. I think that anything like friends for was on that list. Ha ha ha just maybe not the first question on the day and you know, the boater blocker have another question for you. There's a lot of women that listen to this podcast are always asking like, how did you guys start doing what you're doing? How are you, you know Finding success in it and for me, I want to ask you personally. Lee because you are the Sole Provider in your family and you had mentioned it like we're all pretty much freelance, right? So it's like it comes and goes and you don't know if it's going to be really great and for how long and Yacht has there ever been a time where you think like if I wasn't doing this I would go and do that. Like do you think real like something I'd be yeah or even like, you know, it's exhausting you have to motivate yourself. You have to make sure that you're up making this, you know money and hustling would you and it's all been amazing for you, right? But is there ever a time where like it would be nice? Just kick back and be like I'm going in somewhere nine-to-five. No, I would never do that because I've done that before and I was miserable. I remember being in my 20s and being in this 9 to 5 job and I was the line of Baja Fresh. I'll never forget this and I remember being in line. I'm like, I don't belong here. I don't belong to have a lunch break. That's not my destiny. Yeah, like I want to have my own business. It's so similar to the way that you just did not Jive in school just the structure that someone else puts on you like functional thing this little box. Yeah. We're going to give you a box you can bounce Around inside of it, but don't leave the Box. Yeah, it just is not your thing. I think and God bless anybody who that that's okay because I think just know what I think that's interesting that you say that because I'm sure there are moms that are out there because there are moms that are completely stable in terms of they have the financial security to go out and do it and they're still scared. They're like, I don't want it. I'm scared. How do I step out of my comfort zone and actually try to do something in the creative space that I'm really passionate about and so I find it so admirable that this is all on you and you make stuff. Happened and day out. Yeah, you know I can tell you this the motivation really comes with the what I was talking about earlier like the visual visual. Oh my God visualizing. Yes Lord that has changed my life. It's when I get unmotivated and I stopped doing that as when spec things sort of fall off the track, but when I'm really good and I do that five minutes every morning and I meditate my life completely changes. I'll give you just a stupid example. I had to make my money for sag tube have insurance for 2020 and I was so freaking out about it like and I was supposed to get this job that was going to pay me enough to make my earnings and I didn't get the job and my friend was like well, you should probably start calling insurance agents to get quotes for next year. And I said no because then I'm telling the universe that I don't believe that they're going to bring it and I every morning I did that five minutes of the job was coming within days. I got a job as a job the exact amount of money that I needed for 2020. Yes. We it. Changed my life. Alright, I believe you. I mean on a personal note my husband started doing that and he was saying that he went to go talk to someone just cause he just feel so overwhelmed with work and life and everything and the way that I think it was kind of articulated was so interesting and to me who someone that's not very spiritually connected. I found it so powerful, which he was like, it's almost like waking if the minute you wake up and you start looking at your phone, you're almost like going into battle without your armor and I was like, that's so smart. Such a smart way of saying it he's like if you do take that, Five minutes even five minutes and just kind of collect yourself and what you're doing. It's like you are ready for and you owe it to yourself. Yeah, you're worth it. What does your meditation look like do use an app? Do you just do it yourself? So sometimes I use an app, but I went to the Center for Transcendental Meditation. Yeah Encino, so I learned how to do Transcendental Meditation got it. So you either do that one two, three or so, I read it through myself or if I'm kind of don't feel the motivation which is weird cause you don't need motivation to meditate, but I'll do the app if Sort of inner. Which after you Paul calm. Yeah, but I transit in total for me is way more powerful. Does Olivia meditate with you? I have her started doing the come in the cam app. They have I think it's so cool. My husband makes my kids do it and I was like, they're they're not gonna do it. There's so little and maybe does it they love it? Yeah, and then I go to the den in Studio City to I was there this morning crying. What's the damn? You don't know about the dance studio in shape house. It's right next door. Wow. I went to a breath word class. Oh my gosh. I was bawling the lady next to me was blowing so hard that I actually after class gave her a hug because it was a girl whatever you're going through. I did I had a I mean not a meditation thing but I suppose it's similar. I was doing this thing and in the course of it, there's like these sort of hypnosis tapes that you will get that you have to like walk through and the first one that I did I was in Blake's room because I was like, it was like be somewhere that you can cut like it was like bright everyone the house I can kind of close the door Blake's room. They were at school and so I'd like it lit. Hysterically crying yeah on her bed soaking her pillowcase with my tears going through this like hypnosis and it but it was honestly like it was the beginning of what I'm saying this like last month is just completely changed my life. Like it was the beginning of this thing of like I think it was the release of realizing like I was seeing things differently and something about that. There was this part where it says like notice like any tension like in your body through the week notice any like emotions or Difficulties that you've been carrying and there had just been just discontent over career stuff feeling really frustrated feeling really stuck. And so there was all this stuff which is I just collect them like she was like particles in your heart like just collect them and then she's literally said imagine of vacuum at the base of your foot just pulling it out and I am telling you I went like it was Audible and I started hysterically crying like, I mean, what is this program? Yeah. So it's this I really want to have on the podcast and who he was with her. It's this girl Lacy Phillips. Okay. She has a podcast called expanded but it is about mad. About manifestation but I was saying I almost feel like it's such a not the right word. Although this is the right group of girls to talk about it with but it's about when you figure out what it is that you want. The the only thing you have to do is raise yourself worthy the vibration idiot the say anybody listening to this, please listen to that it is so true. It's not some. Woowoo. Yes. I promise you whatever you want. If you want it. It's capable of coming into your life. You have to just have are worthy of it. Yes, because we were saying like there's the difference between in what we say and what our subconscious which really is our thoughts what it really thinks and so you could be saying I deserve that job. I deserve that career. I deserve that man. I deserve I deserve all that stuff I can get that that can be me. But if there is something in there that is preventing you from really really thinking it and really believing it. It's not it's not coming to you. So it is Raising it. I saw this this morning and texted it to my friend last night. I need to get there. I forwarded it. I'll find it real quick. Yeah, I'm good. It was this thing. Where is it? She's gonna get over that. I need to get on the meditation bad one. It's been it's been fabricated. I'll text you. The thing has been makes me try with him. He's like do it with me like at night and I haven't gotten into it just yet. But I mean I see I literally see how like the good that it does, you know, and I hear it from you guys from him and it's amazing. I just need to get on I don't know why it's like try the app to I know I'm going to I'm going to because like a seven day free. Okay. So so this is we're gonna get to a little fire around To where it's like lightning round where we just going to ask you question everything, but I want to just end on the actual interview with anything that you want people to like that are listening to take something away from that we have addressed or talked about a little bit that everything is temporary. You know, if you're going through a hard time. I know it feels like you're going to live there forever. I've been there but everything is temporary and you like you can get through whatever hardships you're going through. I know because I've been through a lot. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a good one. That's a really good one, huh? All right, and then one last thing if you weren't doing what you're doing right now, I know we kind of touched on it. But if you weren't and you had a choice of doing anything else, what would it be? I'd probably be a makeup artist makeup so much. I love makeup. You can come over and play in that room. All right, so let's get to the lightning round. Yeah, alright. You start reading ready? Yes, who's your girl celeb Crush Jennifer Lopez? I mean I know but like what is it about her that has are so many things about like she's just beautiful. She's a hustler. I don't actually read about you to like, you know, Mom, I totally see her as the independent woman first. He's amazing. She's a great mom. She's sexy Sheiks care of herself and owns it she does. Hmm. I want to be her best friend. What is your who's your celebrity man? Crush Paul Walker, but alive. Okay rest in peace. That's it. Everybody always. Ask me like, what's your type Paul Walker's he is your but he's everyone's type. Yeah, he is. He's universally easy on the eyes. Oh, you're right. He is beautiful. Oh, he was beautiful. All right, if you were stranded on a desert island, what would be the one product you would take with you or it could be food to food or product by the way. Brandi said freaking potatoes. Yes. Oh my God, it can be anything but Brandi. Yeah, whatever's on the island because I'm the phone with like a solar charger. Yeah there I need to talk with you make a couch out to say sorry, but my celly make some sort of tree juice. Yes. Yeah. Okay Duke. Can you say what has been your favorite like memory as a mom? Just one memory. Oh boy, you know it just was the other day. She was she went on the monkey bars and she made all the way through and just watching her her strength and like the way that she tackled it. I could see her I just I was so proud of her that she was so brave. So like to keep pushing through it, you know your hands start to be especially little kids. She was just so brave what has been your biggest failure or obstacle that you've ever overcame. Oh God, how much time? Not for this pot failure. I mean, I feel all the time. I don't know if there's one huge one. I think just losing jobs. And yeah and let the letting that almost drive me into a depression because in our line of work, it's like stuff comes and goes being I wish I was a little bit more easygoing knowing that something is going to come and I've gotten a lot better at it, but I would say few years ago. I'm sorry. Especially when you have a lot riding on it, you know I take I took work a little too seriously. So it's hard when it's when you are giving of yourself to the work. It's not just like sitting in clocking in there's this creation happening inside of you. And so when you have an opportunity you sort of let yourself walk down that road of all the giving you're going to do and you mentally allow so when it's not given to you, it doesn't personally there is such a different. It's like a different rejection than I think on face value when you're like there's a lot of weird. Like it's different than I think it sounds because it's like you really opened yourself up to it and were like here I am I'm here for you. Are you here for me? And when it's like no, you're like fuck that hurt like it's just such a different experience. So I totally get that. It's brutal. Yeah, I've had it too and I've gotten better. It's brutal. Yeah. What's your biggest guilty pleasure? Oh boy. Golden Girls He's hoping you were gonna say like non vegan vanilla ice cream. You were hoping accomplishment Olivia. Oh for sure and then having my own lines. Yeah, I mean, that's all actually we didn't talk about that. We need to do that. You know, I just ask the manufacturer for the rugs how it happened because I was curious and she said that she had just been a fan so she reached out to management. So it was something sort super organic but goes to show like when you Best yes, that's what another thing about manifesting that I've learned. Don't be so specific like my old vision boards would have exact networks. I wanted to work at the exact Brands instead of being more vague and just like lifestyle. Yes, exactly crying and so once I let go of the grasp of it has to be this way more opportunities have just been coming way out of that. Where are the rugs going to be available? The rugs are now available on Overstock Bed Bath and Beyond We Go Home Depot already getting one from Walmart and Amazon. Wait. Did I say that? Yes like a All of the place all the are beautiful two things have a check them out check them out. So your name again. It's a Sabrina Soto. Ugly. Yeah, just Google it. You'll come right up. It's beautiful there indoor/outdoor. Yes, they're gorgeous. I've been hiking for wine on them and wash it right off. I'm buying it. Yeah, you need it when we go. That's it. So what would you say? This is a little harder one because I meant I was like stuck on this. What's your life motto or your life mantra? Do you have one? I would say just being kind and compassionate because the world needs more of it. Yeah, and we all get like in dated with all the stuff and being on her phone, but what I tried to disconnect and connect with people, it's just spreading kindness and that's such a good point such a good point valid point. We bring it up all the time get off get off the phone get off the phone and connect with the person you're there with at that time. I just read something this couple says that when they get home from work, they put down. Phones until the kids go to sleep and I need to start doing that because I noticed that have been on my phone because we were real and we're not alone. Yeah, you're always kind of on the other day was like, can you put down your phone? She said that my heart or when they know how to operate the phone better than you do. No. Excuse me. Where did you learn that from exactly watching you watching you to do that? What is so we always at the end of every episode we talked about like products were crushing on. Yeah, and it's just anything that we think can be helpful. It can be absolutely anything cooking. Yes UT or anything this new hair stuff. Well, it's not new but it's called powder light. Okay, that's a pump. So funny. I was gonna do a hair stuff thing too. Well, what's yours? No, but that is it like a it's a pump and you put it in your roots and it makes your hair super like like great volume. That's what I hear which one's your powder light powder light. Mine was called Puff Puff me. It's in a pink bottle that like, it's basically like a drive. Shampoo, so it looks like white and spray it so it's a drive volumizer spray. It's amazing anything and look liner from Mac right now is called Surah. I'm obsessed Sora, it's sore just sore SOA are I'm writing everything down so we can get everything below. Well csos Sabrina had hair volumizer, which that was amazing. Yeah mine too for that. But mine are actually some PJ's that I'm obsessed with right now. I like live in PJ's who makes him PJ Salvage. Oh, yeah, they're good stuff. So it but Nordstrom Rack is like my jam because you get everything for or not regular price. Yes. So these PJ's are the cutest. Look how cute they are and thank you. Yeah, it's like a gray sweatshirt and sweatpants and then there's little hearts all over and under $50 so good. You can wear it out. You can do anything in it. So it's good. What other ones what do you got dude? I totally forgot I'm gonna do when I was able just have some brain enough to be it. I made it. I might need to think about it. I completely I'll say one thing that I did lately that I don't like. Yeah my got a vampire facial. No, interesting. Wait, when did you get like three months ago the BS like wait a few minutes and see it. No, I didn't see any interesting. I've never gotten one done, but that's interesting. And I looked like a maniac for a good week. I'll show you pictures. You could share them on them. Oh, okay, so don't get that but I don't think we should actually do a podcast where we share things. We don't like because I have a few of those two things. That sucked a big one. Yeah. Yeah, and then I got Jupiter under my eyes. That was a horrible idea. Really? I did it and I did it a long time. I did it a long time ago, so Full disclosure my family friend has like a plastic surgeons business and wanted to increase his social media. So he was like, I'll do like a couple free treatments as long as we can shoot it. I wasn't sure why not so he did a little cheek filler to like a little bit more lift in my cheekbone and I think he was a little heavy-handed because I swear it the like it gave me dark circles because it was a fast pulled my cheeks out too much my dark circles. So then I was like, oh that last for so it is it I don't know I ended up going to the girl who knew. Only does my stuff in his super like really minimal like does very very little and I normally don't notice anything bad. It's a really subtle and I ended up asking her to do under eye because I was like, I look like I have I if I'm not wearing concealer at all times. I look like I've really dark circles. So she did it once to level it and I think then once the cheeks went down over time, I haven't needed to get it done again because I'm going to show you pictures. I look it had like an allergic. Wait. When did you will kiss years and years ago? Oh my God, never again never again. And then when I would get sick on I don't know why it would blow up. Oh probably because the just your Good inflammation and it was so bad. I'm going to show you think about please do but I do think that that's an interesting thing you bring up, which is that so many people asked to like, I feel like Mom's especially for some reason are always shy away from sharing what they get done because they almost feel like that's a form of self care that makes other people feel like oh, why are you going to go do that when you should be with your kids? It's like why what, you know, I can't do that a lot. But I have been getting botox for 10 years. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Of no it has nothing to do your identity when we talk about this whole time your identity as like a woman and an individual and feeling good and the way that you feel about yourself and the vanity and all those things. They have nothing to do with your kids. Now, they're two entirely separate things. So you're allowed to still be a sexy woman exactly still a person tell JLo it doesn't take anything away. No, okay last thing if is there anything that you would want like the mommy group. Community to know about you because they'll all go they'll you know, they're going to come follow you on social the listen to the podcast they've gotten to know you here, but is there something that like I want you all to know that you know this this and this means so much well and that I'm a single mom doing it by myself. So if anybody out there is like scared of going down that route like totally DME I try to reply to everybody and you know that it's not it's doable. I got I did a podcast about the breakup and I got so many messages of women. Just thinking like they were Fearful like I couldn't do it on your own, you know, like and you can everything is doable. I promise you it's not easy. It's not easy. But you know, what sometimes being with a partner is an easy and sometimes being with them. It's even worse than being by yourself. Yeah, if it's not a person, I know I actually said to my therapist I was like, I'm I'm afraid of being alone I think and she was like, no you're not you've been alone for years and I it that really hit home to me meaning lemon in your relationships. You were like, yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's that's so think about that. Yeah, ladies know. It's true. That's a great point. It's a great point. This is awesome Sabrina. Thank you so much. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys. If you liked this episode, please rate review subscribe. Leave us a comment. Let us know what you thought about it and head over putting everything in the show notes go over to Sabrina's podcast subscribe to our podcast follow on social media. She is just the most wonderful and delicious. We love you. Thank you so much. Bye.

Today we had the opportunity to interview the incredibly inspiring Sabrina Soto!! She is an absolute boss in everything that she does. Not only is she a successful television personality (with a focus in interior design), the owner of her own brand of Rugs and thriving social media and blog but she's also a single mom. Yes, a SINGLE fricking mom. She's such a rockstar. Sabrina opened up about her struggles to find balance between all these parts of herself. She still has huge personal goals she wants to accomplish, life changing solo vacations being one of them ;) Sabrina also shares the daily practice she CAN'T Live without. HER WORK You probably recognize Sabria from her various HGTV shows such as The High Low Project, Design Star, Real Estate Intervention and Get it Sold. Her beautiful face also popped up on White House Christmas, HGTV’s Green Home, Bang for Your Buck, House Hunters, Showdown, Buying & Selling Secrets and served as a judge on the ABC series, The Great Christmas Light Fight! #Currently...you can catch Sabrina as one of the new designers on the reboot of the hit design show, Trading Spaces and While You Were Out on TLC. HER LINKS Sabrina Soto RUGS - http://bit.ly/2p00eNZ Sabrina's WESBITE -http://www.sabrinasoto.com Sabrina's PODCAST - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/redesigning-life-with-sabrina-soto/id1461515995 Sabrina's Dry Shampoo PRODUCT - https://rstyle.me/cz-n/dtghzu7tdw

Boys and girls, welcome back to inspiration space. I just had a week. I was lucky enough to have an intern come down to the gym for five days. So I had him from Monday to Friday. He introduced himself to me when I went back to my old school to go and do a little talk. I was right down to do a talk about you know that fitness and health industry. So, you know answer any questions any of the kids may have had who was thinking about coming into the sector to be honest when I was back at school. We some of these torches to come about and I used to do it simply get up to get out of doing any homework, but I think actually it was done in the right way. We got asked a lot of questions and they seem to find it quite interesting and this kid came up to me after I done my talk. And yeah, you seem really stupid Keen to come down. Um learn stuff and get involved and get really stuck in and have a huge amount of respect for people of that age that are hungry and want to get involved. So yeah, he came down and you know in all honesty for the week came around I was a little bit sort of like, you know, what's the approach? I should take that with this kid. I mean, you know quite busy. I don't want to have him sitting around doing nothing. So basically from the outset I decided that I would get him to come down for three to four hours. A day only I wanted to come train doing there 45 Concepts, you know really get an understanding for the system's soak it up be around the club, but I also want to sit down with him for one to two hours and give him some solid solid time and be present and kind of given bit of background on what the business is about where the health and fitness sector is currently in the sort of Boutique market and then I wanted to just sort of dissect the different areas whether it be Marketing sales. Management whatever it may be, you know, the general operations day-to-day running the club what are all kind of involves but more than anything. I wanted to kind of leave him throughout the the end of the week. I wanted its kind of I wanted to communicate with him properly what I really wish. I had been told and and sort of taught at that age when you know when I was in internships, I kind of felt like I was being Wrapped in Cotton wool and I was being kind of protected from what the Working World is all about, you know, obviously why it is different to it sort of corporate life. But you know the end of the day still life, you know life has the same lessons no matter what you do. So, I mean I decided that I was going to kind of I wouldn't say no way was it condescending and you know at the end of the day, I've always said through this podcast. I'm learning constantly. I definitely don't have the right answers to anything or the Perfect answers to anything. You know, I'm really working it out as I go along but you know, there are certain things and mantras that I live my life by and if there's any help I could give this kid, you know going into uni, which I think some like I've discussed in this podcast is quite a scary time, you know, and definitely the years ask you need to kind of coming into this working world and you kindly get a bit lost and lot of people come out of University with a sense of entitlement and they're really struck down and they realized that nothing is going to be harder than Has them on a silver platter and you know, it's where a lot of this anxiety and depression in our society in that age bracket comes from so there was a couple of messages that I really left them with and I kind of wanted to communicate mon here as it's what I what I wish I was told when I was doing an internship. So first of all, I think I communicated with him. I said, you know the end of the day. Yeah, we're doing very well in this business, but we my God do not have it all figured out. We really don't I mean we're still Hang on a daily basis in regards to so many little aspects that we're still not getting right. So we're learning along the way and we put a sort of meant it's important to have that mentality that growth of melt mindset, which I'm always talking about on this show is very important to have that mentality that you're going to fail. You need to learn from a quickly move on try and get better in every Department of what you're doing. And anyone that does say they have it all figured out and that is Someone you truly do not want to be around in all honesty in the long term. Look, it's great to have confidence in what you're doing. But if you have that approach to we are still figuring out we are constantly trying to get better and you involved with an organization and Leadership. He thinks like that then you're in a really nice place to be so that's something I really try to push forward from the almost the first conversation we had you know, like and we ran through anything sales Market marketing related management related, you know. We've done well, but we certainly haven't got it perfecting with China get better. So yeah, that was a big message to try to put forward the second one was, you know in life and whatever there is not one specific method to achieve every task. I mean some tasks. Yeah, there's there are methods to do it. But there's not just one method, you know, if you're given a task to do as an intern or you know, you know, whether it be five years into a job, you know, the The difference in mentality between the two is remarkable. And when I remember first going to my first job, I was are given simple task and and I would stress and overthinking are what's this? This may not be the right method look at the end of the day if you go from A to B and get the task done. That's what employers look for. That's what that's what anyone looks for people that get the job done by any means necessary obviously keeping him morality and tapped and all that obviously, but at the end of the day any task If you get from A to B, that is what is important don't owe don't overthink it just think about getting the job done number three. I mean, this is the thing that I've realized more than anything that's got me where I am today and it's keeping me moving forward and the reason opportunity is still come around for me and hopefully always will communication skills are completely and utterly invaluable. I could do a whole podcast on this quite literally I can speak for hours on it. I'm but if you can find you in the way you communicate with people whether that be verbal nonverbal. That is an area that they should be teaching school University. It should be taught everywhere. It is the number one number one thing that I look for. Obviously. I'm in a very very personable business. You know, I mean, it's a it's a belly-to-belly face-to-face business, you know, you need to be able to communicate with people but in any job If people are not looking for the importance of communication skills, what the hell are you doing? You know it is it's invaluable. It really really assert. I sat down I spoke to my said look watch how people interact in this place. Look at you know, my team, you know, Hannah are be look at these guys to copy. They handle themselves. Look how they communicate with the members. It makes their day and and being able to communicate effectively and make people feel good about themselves and make people comfortable in your company is by far one of the most amazing skills to have so, you know to any intern to to anyone. I mean the even though this is what I wish I'd been told as an intern as a topic for this podcast, you know, this is relevant to anyone, you know, the next Point I've made down and I said to him I said listen and smile and ask Questions, you know you if you care about people and they feel like you care about them sincerely then then the world is your oyster, you know, opportunities are endless and I'm learn this from podcast. I listened to the last 10 years, you know, that is number one thing I've developed and I've nurtured and made sure that I've constantly working on, you know, read How to Win Friends and Influence People if you haven't already as being on this podcast and spoken about it so many times read that book and don't just read it. It do it. It's unbelievable. There are others out there. Do you research read go and just go in absolutely absorb anything and everything about communication verbal and nonverbal guys. It's everything and the last and the last thing that I left this kid with who came to me for a whole week is look regardless, if you come into the health and fitness industry, this is what you want to do. Fantastic. But the one thing I wish more than anything that I've been told anything, I with I wish I'd been told is life is not linear. If you think that you are going to go from school to University ends with grab job and work your way up through you know that you were going to be let down you were going to be let down because you're going to fall on your face you're going to work that could be anything falling on your face that could be, you know, if you view the world. That way these going to be linear. If you go into that job, you're in that gradual for years and you suddenly realize oh my God, like I do not want to do this for us in my life. And then you go through mental turmoil that could be falling on your face that could be, you know your block, you know, it is never going to be smooth and going up through in that linear process your whole life. It's just not so expect to for things to get in the way for things to change. You know, you might you might change career paths for five times. I've got mail dates that have done five different jobs in five years and now they finally land on their feet and they're in something they absolutely adore. You know, I'm the same I went well, even though I've jumped in and out the fitness industry. I did three different jobs, you know, I was in a job three weeks. I was just I was selling Tech in firing them. You know, it was not what I wanted to do is quite simple as that, you know, do not be afraid. Okay, if if you obviously you want to stick with something and give it your all. I mean, I always be believen that but Don't Be Afraid like to not be linear in the way you live life if you think that Due to these no societal pressures that that's what you have to do. You have to go to school you had to go to UNI. You have to go into your grad level job and you had to work your way up through the ranks of you think like that. You're in you're in trouble you're in trouble and you're quite simply not living your life to the fullest. Do you really not and that's not saying that you know, that's all wrong. You know, if you wanted to go into school into unions will graduate and work without through thanks. There's nothing wrong with that but it's okay. It's okay to not live your Life in that linear fashion fail make mistakes learn from them move on get better improve as a person. So that is my message for the day. I think. Well, I know this kid had a great time the week you have with us. I feel like you got a lot. You know, I gave him no solid in present time with me. You took what he kept from it, and he's getting hopefully he's looking forward to coming back here. She said to me at the end of the day of the week. You said you know, it was I've done you know jobs before in my summer holidays and stuff and like, you know, they felt like a slog but you know, what we do here is he couldn't wait to get in there every single day and he felt like he was respected by everyone and in the organization and he felt like he kind of was part of something so, you know for me that was really valuable exercise a little bit kind of like, oh, I don't know if I've got the time to give this kid everything once but it approached in a mindset of you know, I'm going to give him a solid. I'm and I just wanted to get the most out of it and learn a few things and realize that you know, look there's some really exciting places to go, you know, after school and University and you know, however, however the way you get to where he is going to be happy. That's the that's the route. He should take OK guys. Hope that was a not too much of a rant for you. If you could please share this episode around, you know, share it around mention it to mates. Please give us a five star rating review. If you haven't already it means I can come on get some fantastic guess which I've got coming up. I got some really exciting guests coming on all all stuff that you guys will be wanting to hear. So yeah, I'm excited to be releasing note, but have a wonderful bank holiday weekend if you aren't already and I will catch up to you next week.

When I was an intern I felt so unwanted. I was well aware that I was an added stress. My mindset was that I just wanted to get stuck in and help as much as I could. Understandably I couldn't just step in and take big projects on with little to no experience. However I wish I had been treated with a great deal of honesty and transparency, this is something that ran over into my first few jobs too. So 10 years on I had the privilege of having my first ever intern come down. I realised how busy the week was going to be but I was determined to treat him with respect, honesty and transparency. I wasn't going to simply get him to run for coffees and do the towels. I mean he did do those things but I also took 1-2 hours a day to talk to him about the industry we were in, the different areas of the business we have to consider and also how we run the business day in day out. More than anything I wanted to share some honest messages that I wish I'd been told at that age. In no way was I being condescending and claiming I had all the answers... if you know me you will know that is not my way. But I did have some things I wanted to pass on to him from my own experiences. 1. Those that claim they do are ones who will damage you long term. 2. There is not one method to achieve a task. Don't be afraid to think outside the box and ask 'why' to conventional methods. 3. Communication skills are invaluable. Verbal and non verbal. If you nurture these skills opportunities will open up in front of you. 4. Listen, smile and ask questions. Care about people. Life is not linear. Expect failure and don’t think that there is going be one clear route. Enjoy guys and give this podcast a 5* rating and review.

Every single day you're losing money time and energy because of this one mistake. This one critical mistake is costing you and it's compounding and it's all adding up very rapidly resulting in you not getting the results that you want and achieving the kind of lifestyle that you desire this simple mistake. If you get rid of it will free up your resources give you more time bring in more wealth than the bun dance and your energy levels will Skyrocket. To it's simple. It's the one hack brain hack mine hack if you want to call it that that really affects our life most significantly and it's simply where you're placing your awareness. We all have awareness. It's almost like a spotlight that you can shine anywhere and you can decide where you're going to point it or direct it. However, most of us don't and if you don't make a decision on where to Directed the spotlight will just sort of move on automatic pilot throughout the day. And that's when you have random thoughts and ideas maybe by the Motions maybe just a weird mood that you're in. You know, it's just very random. It's not in your control. You're not directing. You're just letting it do its thing and living on autopilot. Now when you take control of that awareness when you take control of the spotlights, what happens is is you get to make a decision on what you want to focus on see if you take control of your awareness and point it to the feelings that you want to feel to the people that you want to spend time with to the goals that you want to achieve all of a sudden the way that you experience life changes completely and that's because you get whatever you focus on if I told you right now to look around your room and find the color. Look, you know wherever you are if you're outside for inside look around for the color blue. Look look, look what's blue. What's blue all the things that are blue. Try to find them find them quickly. You only have five more seconds try to remember all of them. What else is blue? What else is blue and close your eyes and then now tell me while you have your eyes closed all the things that you saw that were red and it's going to be extremely difficult because you were looking for blue. That's what your attention was set on that's what you were focused on. Tan and so that's what you found. And now if you open your eyes and look for red, you'll find red everywhere because you're looking for it. Now. It's easy. See when you're looking for reasons to be pissed off or angry or frustrated when you're looking for a reason to be Feeling like life isn't fair. Then you'll find it. Whatever you're looking for. You will find it. If you believe that, you know, it's healthy to work out every single day and it's really important and and this is why you know, you'll know right you'll have all these reasons you'll have all this back up and you'll work out and you'll do it because it's the right thing for you and your attention is on it. But if you want to try to find reasons for why you shouldn't work out you'll find them to I'm tired today. I don't feel like it's you know, It's raining outside, whatever. It might be you'll find whatever you're looking for. If you believe that you're a bad person or that people don't like you or that you're shy and anxious. You'll find proof. Oh look how I spoke. Oh, I'm afraid so and you'll generate these emotions in you repeatedly losing time and energy and money because you're giving attention to these things that really aren't valuable. They're not helping you. They're not moving you towards your goals. They're just sucking the life right out of you and If you move your attention away from that and you say well, let me find some proof that I'm confident. Let me find some proof that actually people like me and I get along with everyone and for some reason people are just attracted to me and it's easy for me to make money. You'll find reasons why you'll find the proof for whatever you're looking for. So use your spot life correctly instead of incorrectly and watch your results or everything in your life. Will Skyrocket as a result of you making a decision to focus your attention on what you want. What you don't want the more time you spend thinking about what you don't want and how you hope this doesn't happen. The more the chances increase for you experiencing more of that or creating more of that feeling. You're in the loop. Remember your brain is a powerful machine, but if you set it on the loop to feel negative, it will give you that over and over and over every day. Your default state will become misery and that's not fun. So how about we just change it. How about you find some proof that you're doing great that or on your way that people like you that whatever it is that you want is happening. It's coming to life. How about this? Let's look for reasons to exercise instead of reasons. Not to let's look for reasons to do the things we're passionate about instead of excuses for why we cannot. Oh, I'm too young. I'm too old. I'm too fat. I'm too skinny, whatever, you know, we always can find a reason for why we cannot instead of finding those excuses. Look, Reasons why you can Whi you are able use that Spotlight Master the use of that Spotlight and your awareness and what will happen is you'll find it very easy effortless to just go out there and Achieve whatever it is that you want. That's how I made my life easy. I just trained my Spotlight so that whatever it is that I truly desire. I just put all my attention on it and I'll find reasons and ways to do it. That's it simple simple simple. Well simple save yourself years of struggle and frustration and failure by just mastering this one skill put your attention on what you want. Not what you don't want and it'll make your life that much easier and your whole experience that much more enjoyable. Also be sure to hit subscribe and that notification valve so that you keep up to date with the videos and thank you for watching drop a comment down below if you enjoyed I'll see you on the next one.

I share with you why you are losing money, time and energy and how you can improve it! The choice of using my mental spotlight. I am not talking about meditation or concentration. I am talking about what you look for in life and changing that. Let’s play a game. I want you to look around and find everything that’s blue, you only have five seconds…find blue. 5..4..3..2…1. Now keep looking at the screen and tell me everything that was red. Unless you peek and find red things, you will have a difficult time naming them. Why? Because you just weren’t looking for them. Same is with happiness, success, money, relationships. If you are looking for reasons to be upset and why life isn’t fair; you will find them. If you are looking for reasons to be content and how everything is working for you; you will find them too. You get what you focus on in life. Look for how or why you can; Lose that weight, start that business, improve your life. Knowing this you have two options; 1. Ignore this and keep on living on autopilot and never get the life you want. 2. Try to implement it, make it a mental habit and get everything you want. When I was 18, I picked the second option and now I am here. I hope you do too. Start looking for reasons on how things can work out for you.

Welcome to episode twenty eighths or 28 of the regular podcast.I really hope that the souls at the start. all of my podcasts become a novelty feature here the first verse of the song about long as that. It's not going to take the rap before the chorus. Rap what? Huh? Cast how right now we'll just abide do welcome to another episode of the Ricky Long podcast sponsored by putting and for sport to put in for sport or Northern Ireland's 2018 Sports retailers of the year. We specialize in or rather. They specialize in sports and fitness equipment for Home Gyms for scones. For commercial gyms recently. They have just done a fell out of one of Northern Ireland's most leading gyms. They did their whole flooring area. It's absolutely fantastic to see you should definitely check that out on their social media Pages www dot pulling for sports.com and anywhere else Instagram Facebook at put in for sport. So today's episode was a really really good one for personal and professional reasons for me our rhinestone. Six months ago. I was connected with the guest of today's podcast. Hernia Ms. Or the fertile. She is from Donegal lives in Northern Ireland, and we were connected at a networking events and networking events or fantastic because yes, you get to meet people and you get great content, but it's also a great learning experience and for personal reasons. This podcast was really really good because although we may have met at this event we Really only connected through social media and seeing each other on camera. When we did the podcast recording was actually the first time we'd ever had that proper one-on-one conversation. So it was really really good to get no order and what you come from what your doors and water beliefs are but you'll hear all about in the podcast and from a professional point of view is all it is a nutritionist. She is or rather has a PHD in nutrition and a bachelor. Honours degree. She's a speaker and it's all about creating nutrition mindsets and that healthy relationship with food nutrition and everything you do and which is very much a part of my beliefs. It's what I try to communicate with my clients and the depth and capabilities of my knowledge, which I like to think of as a solid 6 out of 10 for nutrition what order has in her locker and her tease is fantastic. If you do any sort of exercise there is great content in this episode for you particularly. If you are a group fitness instructor, we spend a long time talking about the importance of having carbohydrates in your diet the effect that can have on your teaching and how to overcome the mid-afternoon sugar Cravings which we all suffer from. So without further Ado. I want to introduce order on the Ricky Lon. Past introducing order for long one thing is if I'm tapping or I talked with like just tell me to stop I'm constantly like oh just making noise perfect. So I'll start and I'll do a three second countdown. So three two one. Introducing Euler forward on who I am delighted to have on to this episode of the regular podcast or Le is a 25 year old PhD nutritionist. She has a bachelor's degree. She's a speaker and she focuses on creating strong healthy mind sets for all types of people through nutrition so high or low. Hello Ricky, how are you? I'm really good. I'm really good at Are you I'm doing fantastic. Thank you very much for having me on here. It'll be good. So rather than me kind of talk and blab on telling people what you do. I wanted to bring you on because you have a much stronger grasp or nutrition than what I have right now. You're coming out up from a different point of view than what I come on from nutrition. So I come on from nutrition specifically for group exercise instructors and people who do good. Of exercise so tell the listeners what you do and just a little bit about you. Okay, so and I think nine to five I am a researcher in a university but took outside of that. I am I believed to be so much so much more than that, I guess so for me and you you're saying you come from nutrition with the grip training perspective for me nutrition is about Using a tool to personalize this specific program for someone in order for them to understand where their nutrition problems are coming from. Does that make sense? Yeah. So so from a nutrition is a tool that I use in order to understand people better. And I think that is very much a new passion for me. So I came from this background where yes, I have known this all this nutrition knowledge and I can give us out to everyone but Ricky that's been their last public health and and that's not you know, that doesn't seem to be doing what it's supposed to be doing and what it's designed to be doing. So Public Health nutritionist and denied these big massive wide messages that are eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day. But if I go into a room and I start to tell people this they're not going to leave with anything more than what they came with so so my goal is in order to get to know this person. They feel that These people think they need a nutrition plan. They don't need so much more than that. And that's what I'm there too. Right? Okay. So what I love where you come from because mine is very when I'm talking to people about nutrition. It's often you need to eat more calories because you're not actually eating enough to fuel you'll go a lot more in-depth than that, which what you love so you said there people need a lot more. So what the what the people need Okay, so Someone is going to come to you and they are they're going to want the answers that you're given them. So they're going to want the micronutrients. They're going to want the calorie count and then they're going to go away and they're going to be motivated for five days. And then they're checking is one week later. So for two days, they're not motivated because they have no idea where this drive that they need is coming from and it's coming from areas of their life. They're not focusing on so we all have values in our life. It could be family. It could be making money. It could be relationships. It could be windsurfing. It could be seen. And if you're not implementing these areas of your life, then you're not going to be able to truly manifest a healthy relationship with food because what happens is what you put into your mouth as a represent represents exactly where your mindset is at that time. So if you're you're not actually physically in your body when it comes from the point of overeating you're feeding your minds your body knows when it's when it's finished. It creates a hormone. So at the end of the day, I think people what people need is yes, they need education about nutrition 100% from a nutrition is about teaching people about where their micronutrients come from what their calories are made of of that's totally essential. It's definitely required as part of the program. But what people need outside of that is a wider understanding as to why their behaviors are creating this body that they dislike so much. Hmm and you find when what do you find when you dive into this with people you find? And people are resistant to this kind of level of depth that you went to with mindset or our people quite accepting. It depends on what way you're selling it. So before I sold it as a nutrition consultation, I gave them exactly what I knew they needed and they needed information about DeMarcos. They needed the education about their calories. They need to understand where the field was coming from and they needed to understand what feel was going to feel the best training session and after children and before trade in the day-to-day and I gave them up and I did not see anybody change and for me, I thought what's the problem here? Like what what do I Implement to my life that has made my goal? So much more than just what I put in my mouth that's understanding white like when I am, so I think it's just it's urgent people to dive a bit deeper. And yes, because initially when I saw these the way I did people got exactly what they wanted Ricky and they're happy they walk away but a month or a month and a half later they start to think well that really wasn't beneficial was it it's not my responsibility. I'm only with you for a fraction like one hour and the whole week, you know, so and then whenever I How to sell it as like a nutrition consultation with the mindset element it people started to come to me that I wanted to come to me. So one of the first questions I put out there at my seminar last week or the week before was you know, the first thing I like to ask people is why do you eat what you eat? Wait? Why do you choose the foods that you choose and for the first time ever someone stood up and said emotionally I'm driven emotionally. I want to eat and I was like Finally, I'm hit people here because these are the people that are going to be willing to implement what I'm telling them. So for half an hour of the seminar it was guys were going to pull out a piece of paper, you know, we're going to write down the things that you don't want to write about yourself. We're going to write the things that are cringey. I'm going to write on this piece of paper know that I am beautiful like I am smart. I am intelligent and I can already see how much of this this podcast isn't going to be focused on the knee. Person with go off on a tangent to what I'm really passionate about the beginning of whether it's a family member or going to Consultants. It was someone it's yeah, they're going to resist it if it's not comfortable for them. And I know I was just things as well that I'm not willing to open up to so yeah, definitely it's going to be there. Yeah, that's great. I love how I love how passionate you are about it. And I'm going to want to pull you for something just now is you are from correct me if I'm wrong. You're done a girl. I'm Donnie belly. Hi doors, a 25 year old from Donegal rather a probably 1819 ruled from Donegal embark on a nutrition career because it's not the normal know. How did that home? How did that happen? So from a really young age? I've always been into sports always and I played at Intercontinental from the age of 12 right through to when I was 19 when I went off to America. So let's play and Senior football for Donegal which is really high standards. Yeah, and then I was playing soccer for Ulster for years on the page. I actually played well I had to add the I was trying to send all with the soccer as well. So I got to sports to such a high level and I was On one Elite Camp. I went to we got to seek a nutritionist and we had to give your own samples. And then we got this Excel spread of all our data as it was and I just thought wow. This is this is actually really fascinating like and what can I do what she's teaching me? I'm able to go away and perhaps have better performance from so I guess it was that and it was very much a friend of mine at the time that was gone going into nutrition as well as she was a year above me and I I really looked up to her and I think that that can have a massive influence as well and someone so young. So 1819. I was like, yeah, I wanna II really like her. I want to be like her. So then I embarked on the same journey is that but it definitely came from a background in my passion about sports and from a young age. I've always been really health conscious mind mean my mother other than running their whole lives and people used to say to me, you know, I don't want to have tea in your house because it's a birdhouse I could throw seeds in the Press there wasn't there wasn't shocked. It's always it's always just been a part of my life I suppose. All right, that's good. It is different. You must be challenging not quite often people kind of wonder about it. Yeah, that's good. That's good and your nutrition beliefs, you know, and we've kind of covered. So if you were to appear to be question, which is suppose I am doing right now. Yeah or your me and nutrition beliefs Okay, so I'm going to say something that's very cliche. And that's balanced but I don't mean balance of what I'm calories and calories. I don't mean that kind of balance. I don't mean have chocolate and then have your vegetables. I mean thousands of love songs disgusting on a plate. Well, yeah, of course, I mean balance in your life and I think that's what a lot of people misinterpret as well is whenever they think about nutrition. They think just to what's going on sir my them what's in front of them? The plate but like I said, I read it so much more excited about but another belief of mine is is to not associate any of what you're eating with emotions. So with negativity if you can like consciously sit down to your meal and if you can be present with what you're eating your body tells you when it satisfies your mind doesn't because your mind will be watching Netflix or it'll be on your phone on Instagram and it will your feet and something totally different whenever it comes to I suppose overeaten and that's what I would associate inside with your ego if that makes sense. And so whenever you're feeling something that isn't physical then you don't have a very good relationship with food and I think for me it's creating that Ripple of positivity and like awareness around that that will eventually steer people in the right direction. I suppose on it. So I teach and people to take control during Ocean as well because a lot of people they're not willing to learn and I'm sure that you've you've come across that as well. They think that they are and then when it comes down to it, they're just like no but you're not they don't have to learn all of these macros and all of these calories it just have to learn to a link appreciate and love themselves. We better not what kind of come through there. There's so many good things in there and what you said that once I love the 80/20 run for just about everything in life. Life, whether that's your health your wealth your nutrition your training your relationships, whatever it might be and how you need to be in control of your emotions. What rather than your emotions dictating when you're going to eight. I want to ask you a question. What's kind of just come to my head and this is specifically for a lot of my audience and listeners. So a lot of them are going to be Les Mills group fitness instructors. They're teaching in an drawing 10 15 hours of group exercise. Her week and run about three o'clock four o'clock every day and then 9 o'clock 10 o'clock. Every night is sugar Cravings hit OK. Why do they stop that manage that what do they do? I'm asking for me as well. By the way, okay for me. That means that the session is inadequately fueled and and so therefore then you're coming to the end of your session and your sugar stores your dick has levels or Just they're really low and then you're like I need a spike which is totally fine. Because whenever you have that I might have exercised on have have what you want but have a small amount of it don't again don't feel the adrenaline. Okay. So at that point after your session Arabic, I don't awesome. I feel great. I've just taught people like I am class on this fitness instructor, like don't feel him just feel the sugar craving. Does that make sense? Yeah, and then the And for me is just make sure that they are all of you guys look on top. Stick I'm stuck in this really taken off which is great and that means the day before and if that means that if you're training these people every day then get increase that calorie intake if you need to a definitely carbohydrates as well carbohydrates and a good a good old banana before your answers about my mom dude. I'll have to translate that in the show notes. You know what it's a while since I've been to Donna. All on as soon as you said are there and that's about when surfing that's my one or two memories of Donegal all the warning pubs and windsurfing. Fantastic. What more would you want? That's a big thing what you said that I knew Fitness instructors. Feel and for lack of a better way of saying it and it's getting enough carbohydrates and I'm being afraid of the carbs because and sugar have just been demonized and I've been guilty of it myself. Let me take a look. It's great for you think it's probably to get across is that a woman? And this is a woman who is normal not a muscular one looks obviously they can hold more and glycogen stores but a woman can hold up to 400 grams of carbs in her body at one time. So if you think about it, like if you're only having an intake of 200 a day or between 200 and 300 a then you're constantly running on on those stores. So if you have your stores really adequately filled off then and that's two for man. It's like 600 for man, and then I'm off. Skinner man is obviously so much more than that. Are you eating 600 grams of carbs a day? Probably not so good actually right now. Yes, cuz I'm for something specific but they know yeah, so that's what I want people to just not be scared don't be scared of them and that I think that it's it's the ideas well behind educating on your your high-energy carbohydrates, which are your fruits and your sugars and then your your slow-release. Which is obviously your porridges and your whole meal pasta sauce and stuff like that. Here's one for you just to give people a real tangible kind of vision Albert. So you're saying females is 400 grams of carbohydrates. Yeah. What does that look like? Give me crap. And so if you have your well I always I always say to people for a chicken breast is about 60 grams of protein. Yeah. So what is 400 grams of Grits, so if you have your you know your uncle bands bag of rice, then everyone's eating at the minute that's about 80 grams of carbohydrates so I can have quick mask at the bags of that Premier the 600 grams. Yeah, roughly here. It's not incredible. That's a lot of rice. Yeah, that's a lot. That's all right. So I'll give people there are other brands available the hashtag not sponsored by. Yeah product placement. Okay. So if one or of if you were having a sit-down consultation with a yes what yes it look like what are the questions that you would ask? Okay. So first of all, you obviously have the consultation form and this is really in depth to some people even at this point will start to begin to feel discomfort ended hopefully Empires and not just comforted but it can often bring out some discomfort in them because I mean they're in this position that they're in to have to sit in front of me, but a lot of the question They're obviously there is the night with it's a massive amount of time has to go into their current diet romantic and over a four-day period is mine. I'm sure you've heard the day before so I get them to take afford a food diary for consecutive days over to weekdays and two weekend days. So then you get a foe look into their dietary intake. I'm at this point. It's extremely important for you to for myself. Anyway, it's like say to them you need to be totally honest here. Otherwise, I can't help you. So if you want to eat the way you're planning to eat after this concert. Location or you know that the food I will happen before the consultation. But if you want to have a tree representation, then it needs to be totally honest. And actually what I can do as well is am there's called an equation. It's an algorithm. It's an equation. I can use to find out through this person based on their height and their weight and their BM or if they're telling the truth and when I tell them that then they're like, oh because I can use this algorithm to figure out whether they've owned a ported or over reported based on the value that comes out at the end and a quite a lot of other people can't do that. That's very much like scientific background. I got that from so you need to tell me more that's because this is going to freak out a lot of people. Yeah, you can yeah some sort of algorithm the algorithm if they're lying about what they're eating. Yeah. Yeah. Well so basically yeah, let's focus on us. Yes. Oh and you look at there. their height their weight and I'll see that gives you your BMR and then you get their estimated energy intake that CGI and then you use that and with an algorithm and its Oxford would be the reference for that and and black as well 2000 if you want to look that up, that's the two references with for the papers and this equation basically gives you a value and based on that individual person if it's within the Certain range then I can tell if they're over on the reportin their dietary intake. So if someone has me back a food diary and I can I can tell that maybe their fibbin because if they reading what they read in this fit for dairy, they wouldn't need to see me and so yeah, that's that's one of the interesting things about having the consultation as well that I feel like luckier kind of a Fiat L. Tell people it's their you don't have to use it. Tell them it's their that and that you can order basically, yeah. Gordon I love that we have we have to use that in nutrition research in order to read see how representative our figures are of our population. I love that we're going to talk more about that in depth of for the polka. Yeah, that's okay. I'm just a lot of you and send you my Excel sheet and after that point. Anyway, it goes to there they go away and they felt like the food diary and they filled out their consultation form. And the other thing to do there is that people need to be aware that they can't just hand out dates willingly because you need If people have allergies and you need to be responsible for what you're given these people and one of the main things that I try and do is I try and make a transition as simple as possible. So for example, if someone's coming to me and they're saying well, I really don't have pancakes and home and butter for breakfast. I'm not going to give them turkey and broccoli, you know, which Alum people are doing. So I'll maybe say what you try Wheaten bread, you know, so that's how I can I go through it with them and because it's not just nutrition consultation. I have so much self-reflection and there as well. So if you're coming in for a consultation, yes, you can for the initial consultation, but I actually provide you with an Excel sheet. That is the next month's track. And so I don't believe that someone will come to me for an hour and go away and know exactly what they need to know. It's just not possible. So what happens is they have the initial consultation was about 45 minutes and then for a month, there's a weekly check-in for 15 minutes once a week. So in that that's obviously their height their hip circumference of their waist circumference arm circumference, and then obviously if need be They're micronutrients and take will change based on the changes that have happened to the week previous. So it's so much more than just like a one-off and I want people to know that if you're going to these sort of things and you're hoping to walk away and just see it as you're going to a consultation and you have a toolbox and some of you have some tools in it, but just see it as like you're adding more in and then you're going away, but you still need to use to make a Polish and tweak these tools for your for your room progress. Yes, you know that person and that all your can't give you everything that you need. Who do you work with what sort of people? I work with all types of people so working with family members males young females young males also, like I'll get a lot of clients from Paul whose personal trainer. And yes all types PT paulrobinson them up. See ya I think school and going forward. I have pretty much in the last month develop. And my Niche and that's going to be what I would say is young woman or young mums trying to really gain their confidence back and their self self love I suppose. So going forward. I think that's going to be the people I'm gonna stick with I like that and how would people Heidi people work with you? Is it one-on-one live? Is it internet-based calls based? How does that work? So it's like a tenor transition. So going forward. It's going to be one to one online-based xur where I live at this moment. That's fantastic. I can obviously see you in a location. Although I won't be here for that much longer. So in August I am I am embarking on a journey and a travel Journey suppose and that's why it's going to be all online base to carry it around the world with me. I suppose awesome. Awesome. I wasn't going to mention that but you kind of have where you going? Yeah, I yes Abu Dhabi Thailand Bangkok ballet, Australia was going to where we're going to end up so good this a little Irish girl in trouble in the world right now. Right. So order for long PHD in nutrition bachelor's degree. What does your nutrition look like? Because I have seen your Instagram stories. So I think personally I'll start off where I was young and I always had a very very healthy upbringing but whenever I was in university, I got an academic scholarship to study in the United States. So I was in America for a year. And my nutrition was free American my nutrition was free and it was accounting and my mindset was not very free. So at this point I kind of developed a bad relationship with food in a bad relationship with myself. So my nutrition and it up being terrible. I remember after three months traveling I came home when my mom first thing. She said to me was earlier arms. You don't even say hello Your Arms you like for a round. That was what I was greeted with what I came home and and then I came home and then when I get officially returned back after my Academic Year abroad I then went into a very bad relationship with food, but worse this time because it was lack of food lack of nutrition. So I don't know if you're aware of this that I have competed in numerous bodybuilding. Ian's or bikini competitions. I've done a thumb rule back, you know two or three years. Oh well gosh, and so where did where like where how she got to where she is today? We were all intrigued aren't we? So what happened for me was I ended up being ridiculous. I counted every calorie I cont'd every mile. So at the same time as my final year in University, I started to train for a marathon and your bikini competition and finish my degree. So I just became totally obsessed with control and control and myself and control in my life because I didn't have any control. I didn't know how to control it. The things I needed to so I then developed a very much calorie could do it. I would say that I had an eating disorder only know back then I would have denied it till I was blue in the face and probably punched you as well if you had a set of thing to me, but what I can honestly say Nia is that my nutrition what I would say is probably the healthiest I've ever been and it is very mixed. My nutrition is very mixed. It's your typical healthy day to day but I will have whatever I want whenever I want it and I think that is what people don't believe when you tell them because they're like, how could you look the way you look and it's because I believe it's Fuel and I believe I need it. You know when I'm eating it, I'm not eating it because I'm emotionally stressed or it's something I'm eating it because well, I haven't even touched since like 4:00. So that means I can probably fit in a pizza tonight. So it's not probably the best way for me to put that across but I'm at my nutrition is very very healthy and very mixed and what a typical day is probably I was going to be like a typical day is poor chick because I love my bed and I need a very good reason to get out of it. So I'll have skip the porridge. Skip a protein coat or banana peanut butter West got up in the NutriBullet take that into work, then I'll have About 11 o'clock for eggs. And then after that I'll have my lunch which is probably some kind of breads with spinach chicken macro kind of whatever is there then I'll have reviewed out something with peanut butter and jam as like a sweet, you know kick for about the middle of the day and then after that I'll train before I train I have one banana then I trained and have a banana after this because for me that's so convenient. And I know that in my body needs to feel both sides of that. So it'll even need to put on a juror in training sometimes and then after that I'll go home and I'll have a good bag of rice with every meal as well. I should probably add in there. So I'll have a bike race at lunchtime a bag of rice for dinner. Yeah, and then I'll have probably so many chords. I love it. Chocolate. Yeah, it's to be honest. My diet is probably mostly carbs and I really struggle to get in my protein to get it up. So you're starting the day with high protein because you said you're having a protein shake then you have the four eggs or you're probably touching probably touching 60 70 80 grams of protein right there at the start of a day. So you're on a winner. Yeah. Yeah what one of the hacks I do. I like this. I like what is it? It's systems or wrong answer seems to be working. I love systems are well poor love that quote. Yeah, I'll often on get half your daily proteins by 11 a.m. So if you forget a whole protein get 50 grams of protein by 11 a.m. And I find out works really really well for some people if you give them just that System to work with yeah. Yeah, and I think I don't exactly love telling people what I eat today because I don't want them to feel like they have to eat exactly the same as me and that's another set point that I wanted to make about my nutrition places everyone doing what Susan does next door doesn't work and you need to do what suits you and if that means eating loads and loads of carbs and that works good and if that means eating internals of protein and lower in your Carbs and that's fine as well. But you need to do what works for you and just because it's working for Susan doesn't mean it's going to work for you as well takes time and patience. What's so funny about this is my next-door neighbor is actually called Susan that's hilarious. Oh my goodness. So stereotypical for our conversation was your training look like my training is Fun, I would have to say it's fun. I love doing I used to I used to use my training those self-harm. I don't know if you can and like resonate with that at all. But merely yeah. Yeah, so I used to go in and I used to think well, I am terrible at this today or I am terrible. So I'm just gonna and I would I wouldn't even enjoy my training I go in and I would just punish myself and get out and obviously are you get the results but not in the same way. No way whenever it's just your But typically I'll probably do like hit once or twice a week and that's just 12 minutes of pain intensity stuff. And then my at the minute I'm doing maybe Max three sessions a week, maybe four and that's your typical weight left and I'm going to say bodybuilding. It's your exercise 3 sets of 12 reps a mix of CrossFit. I did decide to do a cross that this time last year and I hurt my back very badly, so I decided to take Every week back I decided to stop Eagle lifted and I just squat what my body can squat know which is 50, you know, I'm not in the gym anymore trying to squat someone else on Instagram, you know, just because they're the same weight and height. It's in cyclist. But yeah, so I pulled everything back and just enjoy and using the weights I'm using and just it's very much an exercise 3 sets of 12 reps. 24 Bernadette the end. But yeah, that's true. When you said about you do the bodybuilding split and you do a mixture of CrossFit. And as you said three times a week what one of your for the next month you can only trim once a week. What does your session look like Glitz? If I can only train once a week for the next month, it would be 12 months ahead with my motivational YouTube video on and then we'll headphones. What's your motivational motivational? No, it's actually called broken motivational video. I cry every time I'm not gonna lie every time like its honestly fantastic. I could say it to you word for word. Mine save. You have lick it up. Well, I have the same. I'm not probably not my only goal accent but you know what? It's that's been with me since the very beginning that video has been with me for about five or six years. So Judas in just go off subject you listen to like motivational videos when you train as opposed to music definitely with my hit. Yeah, and then whenever I'm going into my first couple of sets I'll listen to that and then I take the headphones off. Sometimes you know, I don't even keep them on as to get me in so and I think every time I listen to that video and I do high intensity stuff. I know I'm in the right place at the right time. Very present very present with that. I'm big into right now. I'll find myself. I randomly started listen to Will Smith greatest hits the other day when I was training and then that has linked me to all these 1990 rappers who have never never even heard of I like like I feel so cold. I like I feel like an eight-year-old again good kind of what I've been listening to when I'm not swimming others. No space carries. No not supposed girls. Not yet who are your Inspirations who inspires a 25 year old girl from Donegal and okay. So this isn't its transition as well the minute and I You would have maybe a month ago when I said howdy boil like all the W BFFs, but I took a massive self-reflection and I just thought and this was probably when I was writing up my thesis. I was like, these aren't doing it for me anymore. And I just cleaned out my Instagram and at the moment, I'll probably throw on here first that my mom is a Reiki master and that's energy he didn't and so I've been raised quite spiritual. So at the moment my inspiration is probably Eckhart Tolle and I don't know if you know who that is. But he's a spiritual teacher what I would do. Yeah, and he is he has written the power of know which I'm sure you've heard of and at the moment I'm reading his book and it's called a New York and that's 10th year anniversary this year so him and I would have to say another lady who's Been on my social media platform since the very beginning for me as well. She's from Donegal and her name's Lisa McDevitt and she's LESA D Fitness. So she is very much about empowerment and I've watched her transition. So that's really lovely. It's she's no gone. Very spiritual self love body love and she's got her fit with her online and work that she does and else. I'm not gonna write on my dear. Yeah. He has great from Donegal. I'm just Breaking All the Rules. Yeah, do you what you need to do Fitness and I think he else yeah. Well, okay, so you've obviously seen the Tony Robbins. I'm not your Guru Mmm Yeah, so he's he's he's somebody that I can see myself being like in the next couple of years. That's the goal and you want to feel like, you know people On fire. No, I don't want to do that. He's hitting me and my sister version good. I'm not do you know Simon sinek? We heard of Simon sinek. Yes quite as lawyer. And yeah Simonson. Yeah, very very handsome too. So that helps. Well, yeah, I mean I would Yeah, so I'm assuming you've read his books. Now, it's I haven't I can't say I haven't I need to its books or very very good. They're very very thought-provoking start with Y and then leaders 8 last or the two ones. I've read he's got a new book Git. It was actually joking November. Yes. I know this. Yeah, it put it back for whatever reasons are I just think the mom's grit and the you know, he calls a duck a duck and he just says what he says what's wrong with ya because a lot of these leadership coach Come out and say and how does that thing for you and what's going on with you? And hi is this and he's just know that ship because that system doesn't work on you're not pouring your people. This is what you should be doing or that system or that system. You actually give Solutions rather than this whole this very very popular coaching kind of yeah, you work it out for yourself. He'll he'll give you Solutions, but the way he does it and his boat. So what I don't read books, I'm not very good. Good at sitting down and reading. I'm an audiobook consumer the The Leaders Eat Last that like it's fantastic. Just listen to somehow have to make a note of that and get on it. Definitely you find with Inspirations as well, you know, so that's sort of one rousted by inspiration the change over time and you can yeah Inspirations come and go. Yeah, totally my transition has been massive recently and I find it difficult to actually think of who inspires me at the moment except Or probably my partner I'll see pole and then my mom and the book I'm reading. I feel like at the moment. It's very immediate because I don't feel like I want to be like anyone and this is no for me because I have wanted to always be like someone and no I just know that I am who I am and just a little happen for like over by the brush then the song I all cheekers. I was cringing at myself thinking I'm gonna say I am enough aren't I? So what is next for Orla? What's next to Fantastic question? What's next for me is developing an online platform for a woman to come on to and learn the tools that I have learned in my life in order to become more fulfilled because it's not about it's it's just about it's about trying to find what works for you. But the way that I ever worked for me before me was through obviously meeting people and then three books and the things I've learned in my head. I thought why can't I just teach these two other people. So anyway, I'm developing an online platform for women to join. They get content receive content every single day and this will be constant while I'm traveling. So for me, it's about developing an online platform and I would call I don't want to use the word Facebook but it's like a fake Facebook or your your own platform that you take accountability. And for example, imagine you subscribe to me and you log on and you've been with me for six months, but I only have 20 spaces for one-to-one Cochin and then all of a sudden one person falls off the Cochin and then you've been here for six months and you've contacted me and you said all I really want one to one. I'm willing to pay the extra and I'd like perfect. I already have six months. Of information on you because you signed up six months ago, which means I already have all this insight into your life that I can then use to get you to where you need to be and I don't believe anyone needs to be with anyone for any longer than like three months in nutrition. If that's that what they're trying to teach them. So in nutrition, it's like 3 months I give people and they should know what they need to know when they should be able to go off and do something event at themselves. And so yeah, that's that's what's next and massive massive Armada traveling around the world. Road, which I cannot wait for personal brand. That's what it's all about. Ricky Long her absolutely officers, which is the online platform available for people to join. Yeah. So I was meeting with the guy on Saturday there. He didn't quite get give me the answers that I wanted So the plan is to have a soft and launch and that's going to be the middle of it March but it's only going to be for the 20 people. It's not going to be for the The thousands just yet. I still need to figure that out. Grip I like that like that really like that. Actually. Well, where will people find that information they will find out obviously through my Instagram and www.olivelawfirm.com is my website that's up and running at the moment get on to figure out what I'm all about read my mission statement get onto the nutrition articles that will be going to weekly. The next one is this week. It's Wednesday, and it's about pregnancy. MCI so much value there and so much diversity as well. It's always good when you get your domain name as a DOT calm and the net but they I wish I had got doctor in their first W the reader the doctor ordered for long though calm. Not that it matters. That's not who I am. It doesn't Define me, right? So up next is some quick fire on the spot questions. Yes. Which do you want to say? Hi, or has just completely changed on the other end. I feel quite intimidated. So quick fire questions on the spot and already know the answer to this one some more snow some football or rugby Okay, your football or soccer? Oh my football hundred percent all the football. Yeah surfing or drinking Surfin goes hand-in-hand with your from your favorite app on your phone. That's not a social media app. So not your face Spirits. Not your Instagrams. What is your favorite app? I just happened to look. I can't give you an answer. I want to say headspace, but I don't use it. That's a good one. I don't know photos photos photos. I'll tell it tell your great one much. I recently started using again. It's actually it's not a CrossFit app, but it does on the timer or something. It's called smartwatt. So I'm like optional I'm showing you here like the podcast viewers are so turned off right now. So you can do all your workouts all your arm wraps or bonds and a last look at that. Yeah. It's fun that free. I don't remember. How for well, are you still use Audible but not anymore don't use Audible. I am reading books at the minute audibles and number one consumer. What does nobody know about order that would surprise them? She's their fears. Oh, I wanted to curse you can swear. Um, the doctors were taking water. It's just stolen from hell. Yes. What's a ask me again for time? Sorry Mark Zuckerberg. What does nobody know about you that would surprise them? Oh, I don't I don't know. That's a really good question. I have no idea. I'm still stupid 25 year olds do that without surprise people. What's up? Fellas Van Wilder Ricky. You're putting me on the spot man. Lots of party. I ve got back sweat kind of I yeah, what wrong like probably actually I'll be on probably that. I had a bit of an eating disorder. Okay before I would I would agree with you that surprised it surprised and didn't surprise me because I'm Unbeliever in your biggest p and as your biggest purpose. Yeah, exactly. It didn't surprise me to hear it necessarily. But yeah, it surprised a lot of people. Yeah. What weird Obsession do you have right now or have you had this is this is weird for me and it's probably because of the whole spiritual path. I'm going down, but I'm kind of obsessed with the whole God thing a criminal. That's very much like in the last couple of weeks God. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, like actually Jesus God have you only just heard about this concept? No, but I had a I had the wrong understanding of this concept from being where my denomination that I was so I'm really obsessed with learning about what the things actually mean. No, and that's kind of what my book is about as well amazing because I didn't believe in God until like two months ago when you think I don't believe in them. I used to say I used to say universe higher self and I still do and I still do and yeah, but no, I like that concept of using that word isn't so scary anymore. I think that's another subject for another time. Isn't it? That's gonna get me going people who are listening to this podcast right now. I was like as a girl from Donegal top and a lad from East Belfast quite religion. Where is this going to go? So we'll move swiftly on to the last question. Yes, what would you tell your 20 year old self? Well, stop being so bloody hard on yourself and be patient. work hard I don't think I can say anything else because she wouldn't listen. I asked that question to somebody else yesterday. And I'm fine. I was just morning long day. I asked that question somebody else and the answer was by shares and Instagram. Oh, really? And I was like, what a great idea just a completely different mindset and tell yourself something really philosophical. He's like no. No. Yeah. Well, that's what we'll do is thank you very very much for what has been what 50 odd minutes of a podcast. It's been great. We will get a chat afterwards, but For the listeners just remind them of where they can find you and contact you. Okay, so everything that I am on my platforms are my name, so Facebook will be Oliver long orally ith. If you are low in see this film it and Instagram is sort of prolonged of space and then we have my website which is www.galbraithfamilylaw.com. So if you just starts a little bit Fairly, you'll find me somewhere. Perfect and I will put them all in the show notes. Perfect. Thanks very much for having me recognize great. Hey, you are very welcome. Hey folks. I hope you really enjoyed that and got a lot of value out of this episode another interview. 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 #28 Orlaith Furlong PHD in Nutrition. Fantastic chat with Orlaith Furlong who shares her vast knowledge and mindset with nutrition. With a PHD and Honours Degree in Nutrition and connection with mindset this episode will really help you understand how closely your mind and nutrition is linked. We scratch the surface on several areas, go deep on a few, and a follow up episode is definitely on the cards! Check out they website on www.podium4sport.com and IG - https://instagram.com/podium4sport?utm_source=ig_profile_share&igshid=udf0f8gyfmm7 As usual all feedback welcome to ricky@rickylong.com or DM me on IG.

We had a rash of those robberies when I was in the anti-crime and housing and the west side like three Chinese takeout places or within they would call up and they'd order like $50 worth of Full O notes bring change of ahead. Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. After that. That was the next thing it will pull guy would come with the two shopping bags were, you know filled with chicken and fries it's you know, catchment hot sauce. And you know, I wish I had some of that and you know, he'd get by Popped over the head they take the full take the money. And so and this was going on and on and on. Welcome back the police off the cuff Bill. What episode is this? Shit? I think this is come on every day. You called me up at 22 and this is going to be 22 and 23. This is going to show until July. Okay? Yeah, so we have Irma it's going to be 18 and 19 Eric Reynolds is going to be 20 and 21 side right? Scott Wagner will be 22 and 23 was the one before Scott was Eric Reynolds. Okay, that's the Central Park five and then we should be International. Podcast stores its exploding. We're about to hit you know, before we start I just want to say that we've both been getting a lot of feedback from a lot of positive feedback in the form of emails and a lot of Facebook messages and to those who reached out and said how much they enjoy the show. I just want to say thank you. So no one's for will for that guy in a radio car driving in the hood who's listening to police off the cuff and it's given him hope in his study mentioned that somebody mentioned. That it was interesting to hear a guest. You know, everybody's got a big fan of Dan bib. Now, they like to hear a guest that wasn't actually a cop but from you know, it was a district attorney. So to hear other the other side of it or other sides of it people have been saying that was really interesting to so we're going to try to expand it and get you know people that were involved in law enforcement but all less Precinct broom. Should we get him? That would be a great one man. That would be a grown-up. I also know who the broom is you think that you still use that term. Well, we got to cover the whole bunch of those terms couple episodes before I wanted to say one more thing before we bring out our guest. Oh the fact that you called me, you know, this is a cool thing about this wet love working with Bill because we are the exact opposite people. You know, I'm saying like a lot of people say I'm really laid back I'm saying, I'm just like I just Cruise along man, maybe the Pod has a lot to do with it. But no man. I just chill man and then if The bill is like he calls me up where it's 12:45. I'm getting off the exit where I am like I'm right here man. He goes. All right, because it's 1250. I'm like no, it's 12:45. Oh, yeah, you're right. I said well relax he chomping at the bit. I could see you then. He gets all pumped up you get psyched in and he walked and walked in and I had his tea ready from like a little bitch. I handed him his tea, you know what it is. It's you need that balance when I think we've got a good thing worse and thanks for the once again. Thanks for all the positive feedback that we've been getting its really much. Get it in your suggestions are welcome. And on that note. What I want to do is I want to welcome in our guests. He's been he's been highly touted by Bill Bill. Why don't you do some you know, okay while now today, I'm going to introduce Scott Wagner. He actually worked with me when I get transferred to the 2/3 Squad in 1997, and he's excellent detective. He's a hostage negotiator. And when he saw me posting this stuff on LinkedIn I could see he was hinting that he wanted to be on the show. He loved the show too much that to be honest. So I think it's Scott. Let me find your day and I'll get you a date new. We're going to have you on anyway, you are welcome. Scott Wagner. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. What's up, buddy? I feel like I know you already I feel like I know you don't like my type of dude, nothing like it soon as you know, when you go to a party and you gonna grab your tape with somebody, you know, the saying say, all right, that guy looks like I could have like something out with him somebody I know from the neighborhood, you know, the saying, where did you grow up Scott Brooklyn? Part of Brooklyn, I grew up in Crown Heights Bed-Stuy area, uh-huh the seven one and we were like, what year was that? We were how old are you? I'm 61. Oh, yeah, you look good. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah straight up straight down. Well you the nice Jewish boy with the warehouse in Crown Heights. Oh, no, you know it's funny to this day. You know, of course, I have a Puerto Rican wife which you know par for the course, but you know, you're you're Irish. No George. Are you Jewish a hundred percent? 100 all right cotton everything I could see you when Andrew I gotta Bond you knew right away, but did you know John fish? No. Yeah, he was I went through the academy with him. He got every Friday and Saturday. No, I wasn't didn't go through with it, you know because you know what, it's funny like to this day. My oldest daughter has an appointment in Borough Park actually right around the corner from the 6 6 K be in a safer neighborhood and Call me up and she'll say well what's going on is everyone out there. Is it what holidays? I only took me off the email list. They took this little text me anymore. I don't know. Oh, yeah, I have no idea, you know Walter decides his friend thing. Okay, that's it. Yeah, it's good enough for me. I like I said, I was raised I was with the Hebrew school locked in Lee bom. It's it then that was it. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of my comedian friends. They are not their Jewish, but they don't practice I guess. That much almost the same way. Anybody else would be my wife is Jewish. I wanted to pick a good earner when I got married here. It's a funny thing to wait with my wife, you know, one of her friends had set up your lucky marrying a Jewish guy and she says really why and she's 60 said well, you know the money he said cop what money if there's a full bar somewhere you let me see you gotta have a fallback. It doesn't work out you're in a tight spot. You could open up huh? Like I said, we weren't on the list. He was Paul Glory, you know, you're supposed to be entrepreneurial just in your blood the actually - well, like I said growing up where I grew up, you know, all my friends were black and Puerto Rican. Uh-huh. And basically I was like an honorary member, you know, I'm not gonna lie. I carried it down when I was 15. Yeah. No, it's on the bottom. Oppressor Park Lake on this show. We call that strapped. It was trapped all that. Well, we called it other things but it was one of those things that you had to do to survive. So what year are we talking about? Well, we got out of there. What were you really just graduated high school? For example, 75. All right. So in 1975, I was that you were 15 16 years old. You'll probably walking around like when I was in a story, we just play that game. What the fuck are you looking at? Right? Well it was you play that game what the whole thing was? The good part about it was in the neighborhood became a big influx of West Indians and in the western the community. They look down on the American blacks because these guys had you know jobs a lot of jobs the hustle, you know, and they wanted to make a better life the same thing when the Puerto Rican started coming into the neighborhood now and taking over the candy stores and opening up all day if they would work 17 18 hours a day and and Make a life for himself. And the good thing was it took the heat off of me because if that, you know, the Haitians are Jamaicans of fighting the other black kids to leave me alone also, and you know, I gravitated towards the Puerto Rican kids. What high school did you go to Brooklyn Tech? I was smarter one. Yeah, if I didn't play football is that the right thing records we were talking before you said he had a football player. Yeah, what position defensive tackle? I have like six two five six. So yeah, probably about you especially back then before I was right before the roads, you mean, you know, as far as predominantly in sports, you know, I was like the lead leads 70s early 80s, like you said you your coach said to you you run like you hate the ground. I love the areas of the earth. I love that one that was here until we don't trip over the life and the court that the basketball that's like you. He used to put me in the game just to get like to hack up the other guy like I used to go with I used to pick up four thousand two minutes. I was given I was a third-string center. I used to give the to get it while whoever was starting that particular game a break and I used to like kind of sort of beat up the other Center a little bit. That's you know him on his hands when he's trying to shoot like, you know Scarab that was my job. Did you speak Spanish to him? You're fluent, right? I speak a little Spanish, but you have fluent I can speak. It's been very open X. What are you a model of the night? Listen, I speak good enough. Like I can get over. Okay. Goodbye. Drugs again. Like yeah like the same way. You could probably you know, I know some Hebrew by the way. Well, I know one word mock Barrett, you know, I know that it is when I went to Queensborough Community College and we had we were online back then when you used to register for a class wasn't online you did. I mean you actually stood on line right like that weren't doing on the computer and He will we had to pick a language. So the rabbi comes over he goes. Hey, why don't you Trey we on the line for Spanish? Because why don't you try taking Hebrew I said, I'm sorry man. I'm not Jewish rabbi because you don't have to be Jewish come said it's gonna die already knows where he goes. Listen take my class. If you don't want to come all the time. You don't have to come I said, how often do I have to come because I you know, you come once in a while. So I took me and my friend Peter Paul bustle and we took Hebrew 1 and 2, I gotta I gotta see an edema and He in the Hebrew wanted to have you and we always to do is come out of the cold. So I used to show up there with like, you know, nothing, you know, no pain no paper. Nothing else in the class to get out of the cold, you know, and he's go Maya, where's your mock Barrett? And I was like, I don't know I forgot in the car for have I did you have to wear a yarmulke to class or no? No, but we they had this one cool videos would have been up about this high and yeah cool day was when they brought the food ever. Year, he put out a spread, you know, the locks the bagels was nice hummus. Well, yeah, it was well, that's how we got introduced to corned beef and all that stuff from the rabbits. Good dude. She liked my son. He calls himself a Jew you Rican. How how old is he? He's 18. Oh, really? I got a 19 year old daughter. Keep them away from us. That's good. Flame has good buddy that he's a ballplayer. What is this way baseball? My son play baseball too. And this is gonna be my first better go to me. This is gonna be my first summer in maybe 13 years that I'm not spending being a baseball debt because he's taking the summer off and how many kids you got he's my brother's son and I have three step 2. Okay. My oldest is you had am late. What did you have him like 41, right 44. I had it before T3. Yeah, but my wife had three children and I took on responsibility believe me. They were interventions that we're going on in my office. I mean And you would you would have thought I was strung out. They don't know the way they were the kids when you guys well that was 11 my son and the girls were seven and five. Wow, so my wife and I together over 25 years. They're my kids and my oldest is on the job now. Oh, really? Yeah, he is is he a fan of police officer? Hi. I've been wearing Doctrine dating him with a tell everybody big Flyers up and the mouth. He's getting I know. The night. Oh, yeah. He wanted it. I still got a couple of hooks. So I was at he has rabbis that he don't even know about that. He was even know tonight. That's a good cook to have on the job the rabbi. No, I'm not talking about it real Rabbi Rabbi. Is it as a form of expression? Yeah hooks looking out for you. It's still really good to have a rabbi though, but he's got he's around by the recommends you like you go where we want. Well, sir the head of the head chaplain is this guy Rabbi blank? Who was the housing chaplain? He's the head of all the chaplains. He has the three starched. He's a 3-1 housing. Right? Let's go back. Let's backpedal a little bit and talk about us talk about police work there what you sow so you went to college right? Because I know I did for well this would happen. I had a football to Temple - well then and then you hurt you didn't I Yeah, I broke my knee in a playoff game my senior year. So yeah, so everything went out the window because it was contingent on health. You know, even if you're a pro and you get a knee injury, you know, your value is Click next. Yeah. So again, when we got to that what I did was I went to New York City Community, you know hung out for a year. I mean College 13th grade Zach and I played Semi-Pro for a couple of teams. And then I had a someone was talking about walk-on. Tryout at Hofstra sort of jet. It's so I said what the hell let me give it a shot and I went out there and I made the practice squad. So you need got better. Oh, yeah the old well and of course, you know, they shoot me up a cortisone Iwata what they call the Lenox Hill brace, which was the actually the orthopedist to operate on Joe Namath for years kept him going with the Advent is your name is Matt. Yeah. He had like seven operations, but this guy kept him playing and It's because of that I was able to get on the job because automatic disqualification was College removal and you know from that job you mean yeah, and I ask for an appeal and the doctor was very nice about it. But he said son, it's written here black and white, you know, it's College removal whether it's from your knee or hip or shoulder it's automatic. You know, I said, can I appeal he goes you can if you want. Want hmm? So I called Nichols was the orthopedist from the Jets and I called my orthopedist and they got the medical records and they came down on the 3rd fret me and they went in I sat on the bench outside, you know, waiting to get in the game freaking out and they were in there for about a half hour and they come out and both of them are smiling. My doctor shakes my hand my orthopedist and we big young strapping guy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I know you have it doesn't matter that Affliction you look at what's going on in the academy right now. Yeah. Well, it's Sarah. It's all set will play. But again, there you go. Where did you go when you so you can now you read your able to get in the academy? Well, it made me sign a waiver that I couldn't use it that need for 3/4 once I was to get shot and into something like all right, so I yeah it was good. You said you were you wanted to Academy and then when he was it you were part of the it was Broken up, right it was housing will see you in those days. I used it and I came off the 79 list 79 wow, and some won't and thanks and it is those are people I graduate high school same years. I'm 75. Oh, really? Yeah, I wrote that. I've read it somewhere. This is a this is like a meme that if somebody asked you, you know, you think the 70s or 30 years ago. All right, don't you think that but it's not I know. I know it's unbelievable. He writes 40 45 days. It was 30 years ago one time I know but I'm kind of like 50 year high school. Wow Benson. Will you 275? Yeah, 2025 believe me. I don't want to go back. Hello 2025 and that's unbelievable. Right? It's a sad scary. Scary when I see my like I said when I see my oldest son, you know, and he was in the academy and I went I got to you know finish yelled on him, you know, and you know, it's funny. They you know, I call the shield desk. I want them to have my share number which was 205, but it was a housing Shield. See, I we merged after I already became a detective. So my shield number doesn't register. There's no lineage for my cops yelling. All right, so I make a couple of calls and I find out that it's out there and it's getting the six seven hundred. So I call the admin lieutenant and the six seven and I talked to him and he puts me in touch with the guy nicest kid in the world. Nice got two years 20 years on the job the perfect gentleman. He says, Keeps calling me, sir. I said please don't you know, he's a saucer if that was your Shield number and you want your son to have it. I'll give it up a notch p and you know, I was so touched by that and he's not a that's nice because you don't have the I think you feel personally attached to it to do its nobody doing the way he's someone who wanted to give up my shield media. You know, why cause now you got to remember another one right away leases with all three years of listen to this one my fault. The killed a polar bear windshield like fuck him I want is my shield with the funny thing is again the kid was so willing to do it. That was nice. He said if my father if I was in that situation, I would expect someone to do it for me. I said wow, this this is a good kid. Yeah, you want Hebrew words. We obviously use a man. She's so now, you know, I call the shield desk and I get whoo. It's like an acronym I could surely hit the shield us use your imagination of our surely surely. He's got the long fingernails. Just the dial the phone with a pen. Yeah pencil, you know, she's in a bad mood all the time. Thanks a lot of breaks. Yeah moves any slower. She be comes on back we minutes later since breakfast worse than DMV. And anyway, shall we answer the phone? And I tell her this is the situation and I said the admin Lieutenant is is with it. I said it's just the 49, you know, for those who don't know. It's just the to from and the police department saying from this cap. I'm willing to trade Shield numbers or whatever and 49 from $4,000 and quite a beating like that. And what happened nothing. In do it. They just wouldn't do it. They gave me every excuse in. Well, he's already been assigned as Shields off switch its whiteout. You just gotta wait it out switch. No couldn't do it. But ironically his shield is a 5-digit. She'll put it has when she'll never in it. Okay. I don't want to give any she'll know but it all worked out then. Yeah, it's so he starts his own but my detective shows on hold that's definitely on hold, you know, because even my youngest son, that's great. That's precious. Follow your footsteps. The job I've even want my kids on the job. What would he do if he wouldn't listen to me 11 years ago. They were calling him. He was 12 credits. Shy hmm, and I told them I said I got you you're at home until I got you the wasted, you know, and I said even his girlfriend at the time we don't have to go out to dinner. We could bust it out. I said the refrigerator slowly fold. I got you. He'd be definitely be a sergeant or Lieutenant by now. He'd have the 20 and out. He the or we have a goal shared by now. That was the name of Fox show 20 an hour, but now he's got to do twenty two and a half. He came on at 33, but it's what it is. Yeah, there's nothing you can do but he's happy he's oh how come when the job ends never went on the charm. You know, it's funny men. Neither one of my son's wanted any part of it. And that's I know I told my oldest would have been interested. He's actually going for his master's degree in International Security, but neither one of them want to come on the job, but he's interested in some form. Yes some sort of law enforcement, but he worked for the The Westchester DA's office for a while as an investigative analyst and but he has no interest in coming on the job. Did you have cops in your family my father and my brother he really added a new one. No Jake they want the youngest one Jake forget it Jake's foot. He's been to Paris seven times. He's flown in private jets with celebrities. He's going nowhere near the police department. He's an assistant film that the right now. I was the first one in my family it me to my father. He was in a big fan of the police and there's a matter of On his deathbed. He said my dear One X because that's my real name because I always hated the police but I loved you. That's nice. This is nice beautiful Father's son. Yeah, he's tell me whenever I see the police. I walk across the street, but he's a dark-skinned Dominican, you know, and he went through he was City College and then radicalized at a young age when he entered he come here. 1964 so he was right in the thick of the yeah. Yeah. They were he was he was in all of it. I use my earliest Recollections with the hanging out with my dad was we used to go hang up posters of Lenin and the subway as it matches our Moxie Vladimir walks his partner. He's to have the glue and he's have these little posters and for the meetings and he's to go and I used to be as look at and I hated the funeral of skittishness Manifesto, right? That's what he wrote. Well, yeah, whatever Lydia but let it roll. Yeah. Yeah, but I was talking about there they'd have these meetings I guess and he was promoting the meetings the same way. We I guess we do comedy in a way but back then instead of you know, putting a flower on Facebook yet. That's what they call Post. No bills if we see that same post no bills. Yeah, so that's what that's me. And my dad. I wonder what it would have been like their social media as a kid. Now. I'm happy. We didn't I'm glad we didn't see so happy. We were normal. Oh my God. What if I'm so scared of what's kind of love it one of us right now is addicted to it because you're addicted to your phone, right? That's like your right hand. If you don't leave at the end of your right hand is going to be a phone. There's something water and water. Carry water with us. Uh, what are you going to have in a backpack with a straw right by your mouth to breathe the air when we were kids we didn't walk around the water. No, no, even in the academy. Do you know the any if you're in the academy right now, they give you your own little bottle of water and has your name on it. Now when you go to the gym, everybody has their own water. Let's imagine that I can't imagine that that I could you know, first of all speed doing that run, especially when it came up, you know sister don't want water. And these guys never met Skippy. Do you remember Scooby Skippy did you do on the job when Skippy was this giving was the guy final medical? Yeah. That guy was a fucking legend of the NYPD called everybody Skippy after psychological. They had the little lady from the little lady. Oh good. It was cameras in the room there and they used to watch you. And if you said something I think that's how you they psyched you out didn't get who was the because again, I went to the house and Academy. I didn't go through the PD Academy, but there was a legendary Go to hell go to hell go to you who was like, why does anyone up for me? He was a she was a gymnast right here. He was like who's from housing to it? Yeah, it was always a cool dude, but he was like a karate. Yeah, it was cool. It was some degree and if you mess with him, he take your thumb and put you on the ground beside second you Jutsu or something because he actually went to a courtroom a case one time and they were trying to call nunchucks a deadly weapon and he demonstrated them in court and like factly destroying the desk with them and they say I think they are deadly weapons demonstrated them know he was one of those guys whose hands were registered kind of yeah. I remember him. He was cool. Dude. You know what the funny thing is. I'm about the Academy. I remember we had a swim. Oh, yeah. I remember that. It was fun. I never got into the damage, but you see guys my size and they get in the water can't swim is the funniest thing ever. No, but they feel safe little life life life. All that other things have like a pole a stick and they used to stick it in the water and he's have to hold onto the stick. And yeah the wrong this isn't Navy SEAL training, but we had to be certified in like water rescue like how to hold the guy up and all that and I'm saying to myself my God son was on the news on the job and then he got inadvertently jammed up with the summons thing in the Bronx. Yeah, and he was nine away from Sergeant. I at him in the Yankee Stadium detail. He was doing great and he just got so disgusted because they put her money years probation. They told him he's got to make sausage nine names. That's a guarantee night-night and Again, he had a ba you know, this is he was he was the real deal and he decided I'm going to be fine - he can't swim now. How do you be a firefighter? Can't swim? No, I don't think I'll do it in the economy, but I could be wrong here. But I think fireman go into fires, right? Right. Yeah, but they also do water rescue and fire ball starts building up in the room. They're in the that would also they go on the ice. You fucked this way. I'm not going in there. It's so weird man, because like every job description, you know, there's certain things we talked about this last week. I think you know, sometimes you talk to a teacher and you find out what they have to go through or nursing like man. I don't know how you could do that job so hard and then same thing like people look at us and like firemen. I took that test I could it's a I dropped right hindsight. It was better off that I you know that I had to stay in the PD because I don't think I could go on a fireman. I'll tell you a funny style of chicken out. It's not funny, but it's true. People have to check it out. But this one happened. I got caught for the fire department right away immediately. It was it seemed like maybe within two weeks of taking the test again, these are all 79 testing. We even went my friends out to Jersey to take the state trooper exam and then they brought out the guy that looked like the the Swedish guy for Rocky, you know, we got a box and we were like we're out, you know box somebody, you know, yeah and So we took every test and fire department call me right away. So you had to go to these classes because that time there was no females, you know, you had gold eight-foot walls you had put on the Scott are pack and walk on a 2x4 and saw a lot of stuff. So you went for that training and like you said I play ball I was in great shape and it was the physical was in the Sumner Avenue Armory in Brooklyn. And the thing was one of the largest buildings I've ever seen it look like Grand Central Station inside. I'm so huge and hot as hell. It was like you could see the you know the like in the desert when you see the way he was yeah, that's what it looked like in here at the end of the whole thing. The whole thing that you're in groups of seven and you start bonding with the guys your width because you're all in the same boat. So, you know, we're in groups of seven at the end of the whole thing you had to do a mile run around that track. So we're all laying there with throwing water on us and everything and suddenly here whistles blowing and all kinds of Hell breaking loose. So we look over the balcony is this guy dead as a doornail explain it guy was a Green Beret. He had just gotten out a Green Beret just got out of the service and he died although in the mile run good. I said I'm out of here. Where do I sign and here begging me and playing on messaging on another? Yeah, but that's the thing. With you that happens on the PD to for you, but it was something that said to me. No, this is not for me. If the guy did the Green Berets in phenomenal shape. It's just a question of the heart. It's congenital whatever. I'm sure that's what happened and there's an electronic thing. You know, I had I was teaching CPR for a while, you know, but in those days there was no CPR there was no but you know, this is the thing with the heart and if it loses his rhythm and he go into cardiac arrest that's what the artificial the fibula the shock. Yeah Chuck started its supposed to put it back in a certain Rhythm here. And for some reason, you know, sometimes people that the heart just loses that Rhythm and that's it. Well, I just if you don't have access to freak me out somehow it freaked me out and I said I'm out of here and they were begging and pleading with me and you know, because he said I was a big guy, you know, it's not this this is not for me and besides, you know growing up where I grow up especially the anti-crime cops were friendly to me in those days. They used to ride around in their own car. Or they used to use let's rehab was wrong Friedman. We used to do that. Yeah, nobody used to use recovered stolen car. Yeah, and it's ironic that the anti-crime cop who kind of took me under his wing was Louis eppolito who helped the mafia kit? Yaps. Yeah, and let's say I worked through it the other guy caracappa. Yeah his brother The Mills Brothers my little tiny. They were both in Omaha caracappa. His brother was housing with time. Okay, so I worked in any way make a long story short Louise to take me under his wing and he would like if he saw me in the schoolyard late at night, you know, they run to the schoolyard the gravity could grab whatever take would grab me. Throw me in the back alley out of their car drive me right home. Give me a kick in the butt and you know, maybe it's it was also a thing of when something would happen and you you know, the cops would come in in those days, you know, cops are all baked. They're all stalkers know I require. No, that's not what I heard. 510 511 was that he had to be over five eight and a half. I think that was a shortage of that disqualifies a lot of people. Yeah and after job not now, but that being said something would happen, you know in my neighborhood was followed by my block or the next block over and you'd want to you know, you'd be looking and trying to see and look through what's going on and you know, don't try to ask the cop what's going on because he would just you know, she got the way but I used to stay on my side while they know what's going on. Take a walk and I wanted to know we used to hang out on the corner of 47th Street 31st Avenue and we'd have a little radio there. We getting fucked up cop car would pull up little guy would roll down window the the recorder and fellas take a walk and you know, what we picked up the radio and we started heading to the park. That's what just was. All right intent part. That's nice. Tommy had some words. He mouthed off something. So the guys are what did you say the guy gets out of the car and with little did we know but he had a slap. Yeah in his palm of his hand. So he whacks my friend Tom in the back of the head not Tommy's head splits wide open and there's blood gushing everywhere. But we just keep walking. He takes his T-shirt off arrested around his head and I will walk into 10 Park and that the city it looks just look like, you know like that Fourth of July thing because one kid's got the radio. No Civilian Complaint. He just tied like a mouth right the cops brought me home. My mother answered the door and she sees the cop standing behind me. She just smacks me right in the face doesn't ask a question. Nothing. What the hell you doing? Whack I could have been robbed. We're gonna we're gonna be taken hostage here mature smack when we were younger. Like I said, you know growing up in a with my brother was a child of the 60s. He's eight years older than me and he's gone now, but he's eight years old and me, so he fell into that, you know heroin use fennel in it. Probably the cleanest healthiest looking junkie ever saw in your life, but Has he lived at home? You know, but his fun would be doing Harold call the 1300. You know, how you can say Do not house no in our house at 4 o'clock in the morning. Well 13 at your house. Yeah, so you pick up the phone and dial nine one one and it called, you know 13 in our appointment just to mess with my father over our civilian. The listeners a 1013 is a emergency calls this patrolman for that's the most serious. Assist call there is right please Department because you fought well, why would he do that to you fight? Because he thought it was funny and the father wasn't on the job the ranch. So my father was a Salesman and you know, Dad, you know, you get the police knock at the door. Holy kick that kid right out, but you know one know he did it, you know, he wasn't admitted he would even be laughing like pass pretty funny though. He's 60 years old. You're high as a kite. It is pretty fun with no. No, I think the Chinese restaurants first got caller ID. You know because they would vet was honest because they were getting robbed right left and right and once they got caller ID. They were like all these are the people that are at us this number here. They robbed us. This is a beautiful thing and they order again they call us same people same we set up on I could tell you a funny story about that real quick. Bring it on. We had we had a rash and those robberies when I was in the anti-crime and housing on the west side in the in the to for Douglas house. Yeah, and they were All that was like three Chinese takeout places or within like four or five blocks of each other and they would call up and they'd order like $50 worth of food. I know bring change of ahead exact. That's what I was gonna say that that was the next thing and I only got a hundred. Can you break any water $50 worth of food? So for the poor guy would come with the two shopping bags right now filled with you know, you know chicken and fries it's little ketchup and hot sauce and you know, I wish I had some of that ready and You know, he'd get popped over the head they take the full take the money. And so and this was going on and on and on and we were we were taking off our regular, you know stuff to do this. So no one's making money. No one's making overtime know what's making collars. All we're doing is following change delivery boys. And the worst was, you know, we could only be in some way we had two cars. So we have one was a van an extra one fan and the other was a regular Martha. Okay, so, you know, it's got to be the point that It was getting ridiculous. So one of the guys had an idea, so let's go down to Chinatown and talk to somebody. So we did and we made a few inquiries on our own, you know right by court and we spoke to somebody and because I work all these Chinese places they play protection. Yeah, so we would tell them look you guys take care of this because you've your own people losing money and what's going to happen is they're going to shut down and that you know, they actually do sir. All I know is we get we showed where shirt off the three or four days. We're out there again following delivery boys were here job come over the radio for a number of men assaulted in 840 Columbus. So we respond, you know, I was just showing progress but it said a number of victims. So we respond and they are Five Guys. All you couldn't tell which body part matched who they were all discombobulated. Was it a machete attack? You know know they were they weren't bleeding. They were bleeding internally good but most have been Andrew. I don't know if it was what gang was was it was somebody that came and that was a conditions or initial heart condition correctly Justice that was it condition erector Justice man, you know five what the hospital and that was it condition. Correct you Thing and no one could ID it was great when you went to when he graduated the academy. When did they tell you that you were going to go to housing was it that so p120 Academy obviously at that time. It was a three in one rule, which I don't know how the city ever got away with it. We're literally they had three lists. Hmm a whitelist and Blacklist in Hispanic list. and if if you were let's say you scored a 99 on the white list and Guy behind you is in 98. He's not going they have to go to The Black List and see who's the highest Under The Blacklist and then he goes and then they go to the Hispanic list and see who's the highest on the Hispanic list. I mean, that's a legend was going to housing you mean. Oh that's what was going on the job period period of the was one and three now the whole thing was you could pick housing or Transit. Because you know people were familiar with your hands it because you know, everybody everyone writes. It's all right, but your people unless you have family on the job that told you about about how unless you lived in the projects. I had you know know about you you had no idea it was a thousand police and they were there was a little I was holding. I was supposed to go in the July 81 class and my PD get what I'm saying, though is when you go when you got when he went to the account when I And that night when you got sworn in you still on the line you gave me a text number and they looked on the list and they said City but is that what they did with you know, what happened was with me. I was due to go in the July 81 class in March. There was a little blurb in the chief the chief the Civil Service and sometimes paper and was a little blurb that said housing had their minority quota filled. So they were looking to have a non-minority class. Wow. So we were we were a Class of 55. five women to Black no Hispanic and we went in in between we were sworn in in April 13th of 81. We were the last housing Academy class solely house until I was a different test to housing to know we came off the regular NYPD test. But if they're after everyone went to the NYPD police academy and they tow right and then they will house and they were either told or picked or whatever. Yeah, but we chose the ones who were in that class called blush the ones don't All yeah, and the reason I know about it housing was because when I grow up and also the fact that one of my good friends who I know prior to the job his brother was a housing top and we used to it now those days they worked specifically out of projects different projects and he used to do vacation relief. So he basically looked at his trunk so he would be let's say in a certain project in Brooklyn won't know so we would go visit them bring them food or you know, whatever Libations snow and we go down in the, you know the call room and she was gone instead of phone books and stuff and I was a great job and no he wouldn't see a boss for months or whatever and It was it was just a wonderful thing. We went to John Jay Alex. That's all we were trying. It was on 54th and 10. Hmm. There was a parking lot across the street pay parking. I had a big car. I was I had been a narcotic investigated for health and hospital for two years prior so I had prior law enforcement and so I didn't count and the India pension or what? Yeah, I have my it back. Okay, I didn't kick taken care of your sister so much of Quasi City agency helping us so that give you 22 years ago when you wanted 323. Yeah cool. So what happened was it was great. I used to make money because we stuck our people and that would cover the gas and the parking and do you know, which house is you working it broke when I grant now never I never worked in Brooklyn because I never want to shit, right? You know, this world is to stay sane New York's a big place. It's real. It's too small. I never wanted to run into someone in the King's Plaza mall or something that I had to deal with on the street. You know, I never wanted to go take a walk out or do whatever, you know be at a restaurant when you young lady or something and run into some they had it only once in the city and I wasn't carrying my gun. It was in the summer and it was a very uncomfortable isn't it uncomfortable and just he still turned out I had no idea this day. I have no idea who the guy was but he sent the bottle of wine to my table. He came and thanked me he said if it wasn't for you, I never be healed my wife and kids today. I don't know. Maybe I printed them for someone. I have no idea. I might have give him a cigarette. I don't know. I had no idea what this guy. What kind of wine did he get you? Goodbye? So good Merlot, but I'm just saying I was telling the girls drink this and get the hell out of me because I you know, I Stole panicking, you know and it just tells the show you you never know. They remember you. I'll remember you know, what you know what you have something that's probably so many arrests why they always tell you always treat everyone like well, that's no I was very fortunate. See that's the one thing about housing when the guys graduated the NYPD Academy they had to go for like two weeks of like brain surgery to get them into the housing mode of thinking and and the housing mode of thinking was What everyone is claiming that Slayers community policing? Right? Right, because let's face it you would basically you were thrown into a project on foot and every project is like a little world unto itself. Yeah, you know, even if it's two blocks away from another project that it's so different the the authenticity is that you know, that's the way people act it's like you going from another country to run the country sometimes and even the town. Yeah, exactly and and the moods are different the people that there You know and you'd be thrown in there and you again thank you said treat my father always drum. Listen to me you get more flies with honey than vinegar. Absolutely and or and these old time is because remember we were dealing we were the first group to come in. From when these guys were laid off in 75 the 73 class there were two and they were huge classes and all these guys were there at most of our Vietnam Vets. They like, okay, we're back. We got jobs with stable. We got married. We bought houses bang we get pink slips. So they're all just going through the paces, you know, was this so disgruntled and now we come and we're all full of piss and vinegar. We want to hit the streets. We brought them back to life. And these guys would teach us the right way to deal with people. You know, your mouth is your best. Yeah. No, absolutely your best weapon and I try to teach this and still listen my son now and I can't even tell my son War stories that you know what I think you know what I think happened a lot. I think that when the PD became so numbers driven and so compstat driven and that was that they threw out a lot of that good that good, you know, I remember you'd go into someone's apartment and they were The Target and you were in there for some reason someone would seaweed and lock the guy up. What was the point of that you just made an enemy exact and he had nothing to do with you know, what I was doing or this murder know what I was thinking I would get let's say, you know, we had to do vertical patrols. Yeah. All right, and I wasn't I was only in uniform for 10 months and very rarely that I walk or footballs if there was only if we had like double squads working then and even then I try to find the worst Pompey the one with the two by fours holding up the front seats and you know it leaked in You had to put duct tape around the windshield without that was all across just saying that you know, if I could write I wrote If I couldn't there was certain places. I wanted War conflict because that's what a nice is growls Wireless whatever and you know, a lot of the projects there was a lot of decent Working Class People and that's who you were doing the job for yes, and you go in there and you'd be surprised, you know, you pull someone would pull your coat and say, you know watch Johnny over there. He's Starting to hang with the wrong people or whatever and that carried over to being a you know into anti-crime and to this day. I have the same cell phone number that I've had for over 20 years and I will occasion that form from John slager. My original one. Does he always don't cause that but that being said I still think about seven months ago. I got a call at 4:00 in the morning that someone was shot. I don't do that. No more and I said, okay and I called over to the 2/3 and I got to squat and I told him listen there's a guy Shad over on $145 in like we owe your whole white tired and I told him listen to former CI a man called me and this guy is basically telling me to go screw the detected yet. And and I said listen pal. I'm just passing information. I'm trying to do the right thing. Okay, and in the background, you hear it come over here beeps come over. The radio and you know V if you wanted to the two or three be advised we have 10 10 male shot while 401 what did you and I said, you're welcome and I hung up, you know. Meanwhile, he may be a been able to get the name of your CI like soil, but the idiot, you know the new police. Yeah doesn't want to know what just happened, you know, and I had that Captain to me quite a few times when you know you had because they you notice they think you're buffing out. Yeah, I think your boss. I'm trying. To do it right there. Yeah, but they don't think you were buff exactly. But look they can take whatever they say. It's a gift to to be able to schmooze to rule my wife's from the neighborhood. I think my mother-in-law still loved all three of us probably age doesn't know there's no way he has that but us three we have that and I'm just kidding but the engine will have it after the twenty seventh episode of this. That's a funny. It's a funny thing that and it works really well if you can do it as a police officer. You know, yeah, you have to be able to get into you wants to you know, some bullshit your way in and talk and and almost politic around. You know, that's what I taught. My son. I said listen, if you let a foot-post, you know along a stretch of you know, Knickerbocker Avenue or whatever, you know poke your head into every store and know she's got a no skills that you learn on a foot-post stay with you when you become a detective. Oh what happened then that's how it becomes your interview skills. Yeah interviewing interrogate all That that all comes from learning at it didn't take me long. How would I call on the job? I was 25 already and I had a good sense of you know picking up and I wasn't out there three days before I knew this guy in the one of the bodegas and they had the back room over there. He's to grab a soda. Go back there with a sandwich eat watch the game. You know, I keep the radio on it doesn't take you long to figure it out. No, but some pictures some do take some a real long time like where I live, you know in the 6 1, I mean you got to hear some of these key. These three I see kids these caps talk to people. Yeah, you know and meanwhile if you stuck them in a seven-five they be peeing in their pants, you know, and and these yet they're all big and tough right over there. I mean, you know, you should remember they used to have the touch the a house to be house a house. Of course, that's not politically correct anymore. All right, you know, but I don't believe you should be allowed to go to appreciate like that. Unless you have a certain amount of time. You've been how many people that come on up. Lease department day one have no intention of ever doing police work. They come on next thing, you know, they're accountant in there in law school. Yeah, and they never did you think anybody's was on the job like that. Yeah, I think I'd are are are you are a few I don't think you have to know somebody and then have to tell like your parent would have to tell you. This is what you're going to do. You going to go on and do this that and the other because for me, I don't know. Maybe I'm not like The Hobbit someone that goes into the academy with two years on and never leaves. Well these people exist to win with this maybe it's in the very back of their mind, you know, just be careful. Well, I can and take advantage of those opportunities and then when you get out you see all this is possible. I could I could go back to the academy work with ironic thing with my son, even though he was basically 11 years older than most of his contemporaries in his class. My son's been a gym rat 4 years. So he's got like zero body fat and he was pacing at 33. He's pacing these 20s Heroes, huh? Does he have abs he's got everyone has apps. I'll just let you know. He's he's good. Now. They told him they said hey, you know, I figure is by suggest but think about giving think about becoming Jimmy thought of you it's coming out faster. If you ever think about become a gym instructor, give us a call and he not mean who doesn't want to be a gym instructor. I mean, it's the pleasure. Back to the campus its first of all the Academy I go to academy every week because I work there is a worked in the CIT. I do the acting there but you gotta see the facilities amazing. The gym is the worst all excuse me under the second College I could tell you even when I went and I come to your class without being a member of the NYPD just to watch it's like a show. It's like a comedy show right now. It's not show. It's not a comedy show it off. I'm trying to commit suicide because they try to kill his suicidal EDP. Yeah, I play soon. Aside cop. Okay, I'll suicide I'm hot. Okay. Well I shouldn't listen. I don't want to be sure your future. Oh EDP, by the way from non police Personnel is emotionally disturbed person and they even clean that up too emotionally distressed person, right Disturbed was too harsh and forward the change it to distressed as if they're really changes everything just the word. I know remember when they used to come in the squad and they took the Sergeant's AO from now on we do your fives. You can't use this word anymore and people's to get up. Best of all, it is fucking bullshit and I'm like who gives a shit that change the word? No, they couldn't use the word housing project. It was a house album envelopment. Yeah, the beings I refuse to say that work that was ridiculous choke on but if you set it at times that if you said I was in the project they build. Oh my God, you mean the developments? Yeah. Yes. That's what I mean to develop. That's exactly what I'm talking about people getting Matt bent on it. But uh, but you know what? It's all shuttered. What's up with that? TPO? Remember every five minutes. They don't want the Sage Steele. This is right. I know but they didn't want it anymore. So, you know people here although you'll take Dana's Mike either on the five. The undersigned they didn't like that. Yeah, that's what happens. Hi. I well what do they call it? FBI Pros or something the way of writing po a PR o SE. Yeah, that's the style of writing and the underside that's the undersigned I / out. It's right to getting over. That's right. If you didn't know how to write a 5 out for a particular thing. You just went through the book like Bernice. Now the NVC rest of the session exact perfect was big on all that shit man. He used to heat the most obnoxious thing you could do as a boss to a detective was physically write on their 500 like this socks or something to like, are you kidding me and Resident used to tell you to do that? Yeah, right on the detectives five if he doesn't do what you ask them to do. So you need to take the wood free bring up Resnick Robin's right? And you bring up Resnick Resnick again. I know I know for years. Is he was the to tree at the crime Sergeant when I was in a house of crime and we had such units had such great Rapport that if our boss wasn't around, you know, he would take us so we'd have to go in the bag and we worked join investigations together. We would use to hook up in Jefferson Park and we would do you know our own little you take the north under the block will take the South under the block will converge, you know, like a military operation and through my career narcotics well in housing, we didn't have a narcotics unit. Time so the ant think we worked five and two and we had Sundays Mondays off. And I mean you have studied reading a lot of what we did we did three days and narcotics usually observation sales, you know, we used to have look, you know, empty apartments and stuff we have with the master keys. The overheat the GOP is the open observational and we do sometimes we use a flash roll, you know, you put like a 10 with newspapers around it and because you know an offer constitutes a by and we would do three days of drugs. And then two days of Robert patterns or go out and he said an offer constitutes a by yeah, in other words, it could mean I said, hey, do you have pot? That's a by know, if if you have a conversation with me and you say to me you're looking And you specify what you're looking for? Yeah, I want the guys I'm looking for I'm looking for I'm looking for dope look whatever 40 whatever it bag. Whatever. So the guy says I got now you take out your / Ro. All right, and then he takes out the dope to make the exchange that constitutes a sale and if without having to make because you didn't because we didn't have by money why not? First of all, they will let they will let these guys do buys. Well again now that's just what you say that's not have you of narcotics, but when you say letting us there was no narcotics unit in house, so we get the drugs were rampant. Yeah, you know Those days we had certain spots like a hundred twelve and Lennox doubt was the angel dust capital in the world at that time. Dustin is a must if dust is a must for the people. That's what we decided, you know and dust once man like 15 years old. This kid Teddy, he's got may he rest in peace. He just passed away a couple months ago. He's the right Teddy and he said to me he want to go get some smoke. So I was like, yeah, right, so he He says who how old how old were you at this 15 or 15? Maybe 14. He says I got it. We got to get your bike. We got to take a ride. So he gets me a BMX bike and I might jump 14 years old. I was I've been six with what since I was like six birth. So I'm like, I'm just BMX bike. We're in Astoria Queens and we start writing to get this smoke and next thing, you know, we're going over the Triborough Bridge. I'm like yo where the fuck is this smoke because I will get it to the height. So we go to Washington Heights. He runs in this building he comes out and Then he rolls one and we light it up and then I take two pulls on it. I'm like this to take sporty feel my feet are so just a second sweet taste funny because it's not weed management. Let us it's like what they didn't use wait next thing. You know. All six foot for me is driving BMX bike back over the Triborough Bridge, but now dusted man scariest thing. I've had to do my life. I literally saw a kid on Dust get hit by the Madison Avenue bus. Just going northbound the bus driver nearly had a heart attack kid got up and walked away. Oh man now, I don't know what I'm doing the next day, but he got up and walked away always used to say I just want to preface it's not preface because it's the preface comes before I was just want I just want to say about that story that somebody somebody drugged me. Isn't it was Teddy. It's not what I wanted to do and I conspired to do that. I was actually physically trucked and I'd imagine the statue of limitations on that client. Its oversight. So rest them and plus he's dead. So when you got interviewed to the police, Apartment did you bring up that story now? I know that story the first time I'm remembering that story and all these yes, but it may not even happen. I can make stuff up on the spot but we're gonna take a break. We're going to refill our tea even though you didn't drink tea. He drank water. I'm going to refill my tea no tea for your bill. You're not due until animals drinking water. All right. All right, we're going to Went to the the second half with Scott Wagner. But before we do that, what do we want? What do we want to cover in part to want to talk about is the homicide case could really Iron Key maybe as hostage negotiator. So let's cover that. We want to talk about his antique business doing. Well. I don't know if he wants to talk about we sing. That was September we cover everything on this show like Jack's of all trades here. All right, so that that concludes part one police off the cuff here. R with Scott Wagner. I'm excited about part two men who?

Scott F. Wagner has more than 39 years experience as a professional investigator, and hostage negotiator, solving criminal cases of murder and narcotics trafficking to civil cases of insurance fraud and property theft. In his 23 years with the New York City Police Department, Scott advanced from a housing project beat cop to detective, earning a promotion into the elite Manhattan North Homicide Squad, as well as the Hostage Negotiation Team. Scott was a first responder to the 1993 WTC bombing, as well as to 9/11. Scott has earned numerous awards and commendations during his law enforcement career. He is regarded as an expert in Hostage Negotiations and at cracking “cold cases”, where the passage of time lessens the chance for justice. In his career, Scott has solved 95% of all his cases while maintaining a 100% conviction rate, - a clearance rate among the highest in the NYPD. He’s also a skilled hostage negotiator, adept at handling emergencies of all types. While a member of the NYPD’s dignitary protection unit and later as a private eye, Scott has guarded and planned security for VIPs ranging from heads of state to “Hip Hop” celebrities. Scott has headed up security operations for one of the largest philanthropic organizations in the City of New York-with assets over $4.5 billion dollars. He’s been featured in documentaries, (Most recently Lifetime channel’s “Faith Under Fire), books and numerous newspaper and magazine articles, TV shows “The Shopping Cart Killer” & Murder by the book with Linda Fairstein, for his work helping to catch a serial killer & rapist who preyed on young girls in East Harlem. Scott has also been sought out and interviewed for several internet magazines in regards to his expertise as a hostage negotiator. Scott has worked as a law enforcement technical advisor on three television shows as well as two novels.

Greetings, welcome to sweat head with Mark Pollard. It's just the two of us today. I'm going to read you a little excerpt from this book thing. I'm writing called strategy is your words a strategist fight for meaning it's a primal scream about really about critical thinking and creativity and business, but I'm doing it through the Gateway of account planning or strategy. It's been fun to write its As it stands the book will come in about five sections. There's a little opener called fighting Words, which I'm going to read you today. Then there's operating words where I break down about twenty four words. It's not about 24 words is 24 words that I hear strategist use or that I think strategist would do well to use was like Clarity meaning rejection imposter syndrome or imposter Lone Wolf. opinion empathy these kinds of words. I have a bit of fun with them. It's surreal to a degree. I think I found a writing voice that I like right now. Technically, there's a lot to tidy up and I've just found a book Editor to work with to tidy up my seventy thousand words and I still have drawings to do then we have strategy words where there's a big section on ideas what they are what the ideas of a strategist our how ideas are what we do and I know it's such an obvious thing to say, but it needs to be said at least I think it needs to be said the types of ideas that we have in business who gets to have ideas how to ride an idea and then I go into this little rubric that some of you are probably familiar with if you've come to one of my training sessions or if you've looked at the website, which was recently renovated where I talk about problem Insight Advantage strategy that little diagram and tools that you can use to get to clear-headed thinking creative clear-headed thinking And then I'll have a bunch of drawings trying to bring it all to life give you some examples to beat and I like sharing work that's not fully polished because I got to meet like when you're working in an agency the brief needs to be good enough and needs to be a dare. It needs to excite people but polishing it's kind of irrelevant it just unique because most good ideas. I Believe come from two or three phrases or sentences or one sentence. That's just enough there for other people to work with right so I don't mind. Sharing work that's not not perfect just to make the point of the mechanics of the work that we do and how sometimes polishing it really that happens. When you're writing that case study that award entry for the APG. I know that you know that and there are a couple of other sections but I still I'm still playing with it all but I can't I like it and I'm trying to work out the business model around it. I'm trying to do some research into books and Book Sales and why people buy a books to me. This is don't roll your eyes. To me. This is a literary business art book is not a business book. I'm trying to write it kind of poetically and unusually and I'm adding my drawings and I want it to sit on people's desks. There will be digital versions of it eventually, but I want this thing to be on desks. There will be posters and merchandise as well. And I want that to sit on walls. I want people to better see it and point at it and to do so to help them do better work but to also help their colleagues do better work because I've just seen and heard about so much craziness out there, right? So that's what I'm trying to do and they'll be a bunch of other books coming as well kind of debating to what degree I want to publish other people's work at some point and I use publishing work in very general ways. But hey, if you've got ideas, feel free to feel free to email me Mark dot pull out at mighty jungle dot C. Oh, I love the DMS on Instagram at Mark Pollard and DMS on Twitter at Mark Pollard again. I find Instagram a little bit more of well. On there a little bit more of a gentle Space Twitter is as you guys know part. Like I find it really interesting. I usually learn something from Twitter most days. I learned something on Twitter, but it's a little bit argumentative and angry right now you all know that you all know that Instagram. It's just beautiful. It's butterflies. It's not that's not as people showing off and hoping to make other people feel bad. You know that because you do it Little podcast update we don't get a lot of I don't get a lot of data data data. Say it three ways, wherever I go. I don't even know how to say it. The original way that I used to say it. It's probably data these episodes. We're about to hit a hundred thousand quote-unquote listens. I know that some people listen to these things in groups. I think they'll listen involves. Someone is downloading. It doesn't mean that they listen to it, but we just started a year ago actually and we're at about a hundred thousand lessons the episodes. I've noticed this year. They're starting to get over 500 lessons quote-unquote within 24 hours and then they Kind of stumble their way to about a thousand lessons within 7 to 10 days the interview I did with Natalie Tran. She's big on YouTube. She actually interned with me briefly at McCann Erickson and Sydney because she was a bit bored one day and she was like top 10 on YouTube back then but she's like, yeah, it's feel like doing something that's had nearly 3,000 listens, but please go back and listen to things. I'm trying to record these interviews in a way where the time doesn't really matter. The very first one was with Richard shotton about his book The Choice Factory and many of you probably read the book or you With him now, I think that still stands the test of time about 45 episodes in I started to edit them. They take three to four hours to edit and I'm trying to work out how to get the content out into different channels, you know played with drawings. I played with quotes. I don't think people really click from one stream into a podcast. I think podcasters are really podcasters a little bit of Word of Mouth will help help it stretch in two different years and look. I love hearing your stories about listening to them whether you're commuting to In in the morning or Seattle or listening to this taking or walk around the business park outside of Melbourne, whatever it is. I love it. Please let me know because this is how I like to communicate with the world and anyone who writes anyone who uses their voice to communicate sure. You can have some Psychopaths and sociopaths. I don't I think that's me this fulfills an emotional need for me. I trap people into having friendships with me and into having conversations with me because the types of conversations that you listen to that's me. I have two modes. Is silence and introversion and introspection and then really awkward conversations and if you relate to that, you know how difficult it is to exist in this world when they're your two modes because you might be in a business that's fully extrovert and expects you to be thinking in public so they can watch you think on the one hand and on the other hand a lot of people like honesty, they like their you know, there's not a lot of space for it at all times can run people down. I get it get it. That's why I write this wiper friend the page. And like I said, I trap people into during this with me. All right, I'm going to read a story to you. It's called fighting words. It's the opener to this book. I have edited this but there's still so much work to do as far as Tiding it all up. I like the voice. I like the way it feels good, and I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, like I said send me messages are really I like hearing from you DM Instagram. That's where I get my lovely ones. But yeah, you can also email me mocked up pull out at mighty jungle dot CEO be shared at everyone in this bed community and Facebook for what it's worth or about 4,000 people in their numbers she mumbles, but you know, if that was really true I wouldn't have said the number just seems like a really cool crowd and sweat has not the only place, you know, be shutouts open strategy who sort of around sort of lot around and And all the other slack groups and Facebook groups that house planning and strategy people people who think for a living regardless of their being different groups different tribes Etc. I hope that the most I hope that most people feel that there's some kind of thing to unite around because I do believe that this Century with the robots coming and automation coming that the critical thinking skills that I hope we have and the compassion that many of us have I think it can be useful to the world Beyond advertising. Everybody advertisers everything's an ad but I think there's other things that we can apply our skills to especially after the apocalypse thing that's going to come here earlier, but he's the excerpt from the book strategy. Is your words out later this year. Fighting words Italy's flare o1 sprayed into the world a man with the Mane and metal of Inigo Montoya a small village below brochure and a male gaze East from Milan flare Arrow features on few lists. It's a fetal dot on a map. It's a place one visits on the way to the place one wants to visit and it is a murmur on the internet unlike the rest of the universe few people have reviewed flare. Oh because flare oh is beyond review all a review of Row could say is Flair has main claim to fame is this it has little going for it other than it is near a lot of things with something going for them. It's other claim to fame is this man it made this gives Ferraro to claims to fame and these two claims to fame seem to make the town feel adequate for history. This is an utmost Italian accomplishment. I love you. Italy and Flair has 9,000 Villages now spend eternity enjoying their proximity to fame while guarding The Elixir from which this man burst Inigo Montoya hailed from fluorine. Montoya was a swashbuckler who's broken heart beat to avenge his father's death. He was a human rainbow between storms of drunkenness. He is Rainbow carried weapons, but his rainbow beam the only when he felt close to Revenge because Revenge was how he knew himself his violence danced the Tango his catchphrases with a high notes of a sommelier. Tasting wine from space grapes is And in this ravish the loins of the Soul Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride was the broken man inside everyone and yet he persisted what Inigo Montoya could do with his hands and a Rapier the man from Thoreau could do with his feet and a ball the name of the man from fluoro is andreea Pirlo Andrea Pirlo Sports a Pristine carpet of beard or beard hairs know where to stand at all times. They're rectitude is camped there maintenance depends on a dedicated team of white beloved a bonsai. Runners with tiny hands wet sand brown hair frames PLS face. It's with Slash and dart with every Tak turn and twist. His son leaded skin is a souvenir from a lifetime in footballs. Riskiest Arenas football is Andre appeal is romance. He makes love with a football is Inigo. Montoya makes love with a sword thrust to the heart to Marvel at andreea peelers passes is to watch comets and stars shoot through the night sky, if a past streaks overhead Lover's touch lips to seal their fate. It's andreea pillows romance with football is a whole body romance, but his feet make it happen. His feet can get balls places and this skill takes him places from brescia to AC Milan and Juventus from the Olympics to the FIFA World Cup from Italy's Serie to the UEFA Champions League. Andriy appeal is ability to get the ball where it didn't know it needed to go took him where he didn't know he needed to go. Go it took him to the United States of America on 26 July 2015. And at the age of 36 andreea pillows aging feet raced him from the rich Emerald grass fields of Europe to the artificial turf of a South Bronx baseball stadium. This move would have surprised the young Andrea Pirlo because New York City Football Club didn't even exist until 2015 Yankee Stadium isn't big enough for a full size football field. And when you earlier and one year earlier pillow was still able to place as the seventh best football player in Europe peel his feet were always up to something then it happened the man fluoro sprayed into the world and Who Bore the nicknames the architect their Professor Maestro in Spoke for strategy by speaking about football and he spoke about football by speaking about football in his new when Temporary Home the United States of America and his brief fling with major league soccer. It's a very hard League to play in is very physical. There's a lot of running so there was a lot of physical work and to me and my mind to little play filo said yes under your pillow had turned 37 the week. He said this but this wasn't an old athlete. It's Chagrin listen again. A lot of running to little play. This is wisdom from the mystical boughs of flare. Oh and if you draw your ear close to the words closer, you can hear the deathbed snake rattle of a strategist. A lot of running to little play on Andrea Pirlo knew how to get a football where it didn't know it needed to go this meant some of his teammates didn't know where they needed to go to greet the footballs that didn't know where they were going. Andreea pillows game was to make the football do the work. The American game was to make the player do the work. American players grow up in a culture that prizes running the USA knows who can run it knows who can't run and watches to see who runs if a player doesn't run the player doesn't last. This is a survival reflex born from the dregs of the Puritan work ethic where work takes Believers closer to God and in a vast and bountiful country from which many have thought they can take what they find if they run their first running has its uses running helps people catch air. In from LaGuardia Airport when Maryland crab races flee bad first dates in bearded Seattle sightsee Nashville in an hour replace one addiction with another in Los Angeles say they ran around Central Park on the internet Escape cold ocean water in San Francisco make a dramatic entrances into Virginian surf, even when the waves are for babies Dodge drunken traffic late night in Austin grab Black Friday discounts from a Minneapolis shopping mall and release endorphins during a stint of celibacy and Rural, Oregon. Running a so American it made the USA and in return the USA invented jogging that running didn't make the USA running made humans to chase myopathy is one theory about how running made us. Look the way we look chase me off the Thea's what happens when a predator pursues pray until the prey collapses exhausted humans used to do that to animals humans would run and run and run until the animals collapsed. Then humans would eat the animals unless they were vegan the Ben's not the animals all this chasing led to humans with running legs that could run for long distances. This was before farming refined sugar couches and delivery in factories. It was also before football. The differences between a football and an animal abound footballs do not have legs brains Eyes Ears voices Wings arms instincts adrenaline and meet footballs are inanimate objects humans do not need to chase footballs until they collapse humans don't eat footballs, even though some footballs are vegan. But this is how some people play football and how many people play business running is the most important activity having other see one run is the second most important. If you think about it, all this running is the throes of capitalism people inventing needs for others to Chase. Look here's a ball go fetch. Yes, bring it back to me and I'll throw it over somewhere else and you'll go fetch it for me again won't you? Of course, you will good dog. The USA is a leader at this. It's a world leader in exporting this as well. And so the world starts running because running made the USA a lot of running to little play running. Is everywhere when people think they have never attended so many meetings received so many emails and watched so much Tetris on organizational charts while having so little work to show this is running when weekly check-ins annual reviews and an urban sprawl of job titles. Do not lead to better work. This is running when vague marketing briefs lead to vague workshops with too many people who are vague. About why they are in the room that have to act like the emperor of the room. This is running when timesheets our careers oxygen profit and loss statements are Empires and salary freezes lysed and salary freezes. Last an Ice Age. This is running when people discuss meeting agendas meeting minutes and email chains more than good work. This is running when strategy is 100 sleds long ideas needs ideas need tens of reviews by people who do not put pen to paper and Company decisions to meant every human in the village. This is running when management offsites lead to initiatives that lead nowhere where management announcers another agency repositioning and gobbledygook. And we're management spends more time with a cellphone with its people. This is Running Company hackathons with no follow-up late nights pitching because a new business team said on the brief of two weeks speaking about thinking at ad Tech conferences Senior People absent from a pitch changing the pitch the night before the pitch forcing agencies to brainstorm together, but only the account teams come clients briefing agencies before They go on vacation nearly all HR interactions pitching to keep an abusive client running running running. Jobs and our spectator sports and it's too hard to watch thinking so I'm running is better in the head. This running is called strategy. And if everyone is running who's thinking and what game is this and isn't there another game we can play to play a game you need a goal. Spoils rules and opponent somewhere to play and something with which to play. Inigo Montoya knew his game. He was the only person playing it his goal was to avenge his father's death Revenge where his spoils his rules were a swordsman's is rules where a swordsman's honor the man who killed his father and scarred his face count rugen was his opponents a sword fight was the place and the sword is play object Andrea Pirlo Andrea Pirlo new his game to his goal was to win football games Fame and riches were his spoils his Those were the rules of an International Football Association football field was the place and a football his object as much as their manes marked them similar one floor distinguished Inigo, Montoya and Andrea Pirlo. This floor was strategy Inigo Montoya knew what game he wanted to play but Inigo Montoya did not have a strategy unable to play his game because he was unable to find count rugen Inigo. Montoya drank himself into stupors is Stupid is where his soul laughing at his lack of strategy his stupid as were his soul yelling at his brain to find new meaning and his tail tells the Perils of a life that commits to a single event of meaning before it ends. The soul knows irony when it sees it. Andrea Pirlo strategy was to make the football surprise opponents his tactics were to play in deep positions near the back line to keep the ball moving pass after pass to spray the football in stunning ways to his teammates to drill footballs at the goal from further out than expected and to wear his Italian locks and bonds appear throughout these tactics broke conventions because the conventions were athleticism to run dribble blast yell and muscle. Three conventions what finesse calmness and moving the ball in rear ways for his entire career Andrea Pirlo strategy dismantled opponents because his strategy understood the conventions within which is opponents and teammates operated when he moved to America the conventions changed and his strategy struggled on waning legs a lot of running to little play. What I'm talking about is actually a system or culture. I don't mean that the level of technical skills are low. I just mean there's a cultural void that needs to be filled Andrea Pirlo said when Andrea Pirlo diagnosis football in America, he diagnoses strategy. He describes agency's clients and colleagues running around a football field. He describes a strategist hoping to Andre our PLO a strategy to them, but nobody knows how to receive it and people are too busy running to Sieve it and is assumed as a strategist is capable. A culture is a set of behaviors had culture is a set of behaviors born from a set of beliefs running for no reason comes from a belief that conspicuous activity makes a career progress. Conspicuous activity is a yellow Ferrari roaring and slow-moving traffic alone, Miami South Beach. It's unnecessary activity that others can see at first is confusing in the way the Burly Heavy Metal Men of oslo's late-night bars resemble runway models more than Broken Spirits, but then it catches on timesheets measurer and job titles rewarded thinking is an in conspicuous activity. It happens in the privacy of the head. This makes it hard to watch. And since many businesses like to know when things are happening, they love meetings so they can watch these fake acts of democracy in the name of inclusion of public mind control. Yes, many meetings help to control private thinking more meetings try to do this then try to seek out independent thinking or ideas many meetings are statements of what's normal to the group and attempts to reinforce hierarchy and to reel in any Out there thinking just take notes in your next meeting researchers have found that the decisions happen top-down and American businesses despite. The number of meetings. The length of time decisions take and the country's fondness for the individual freedom and democracy businesses are not democracies most of the sociopaths with authoritarian Tendencies and would prefer to automate all thinking if they could A creative company on the other hand builds itself on behaviors that serve the creative mind all of the creative mind its abilities and disabilities. It's need for quiet and stimulation. It's need for validation and a struggle to accept it. It's need to create for the sake of creating a for this sake to happen daily. It's need for space. To explore meaning and it's constant attempts to find a place in the world. The creative company does this because it believes creativity gives it and its patrons and Edge creativity needs private time. And when ready creativity then these public Fame and since words are the unit of meeting creative companies demand more from words Creative Minds used words to expose truth not hide from it creative minds push their words that aren't constipate their words Fierce brains about The strategy but too many of their public words and so a corporate business park dystopia. This is andreea pillars cultural void With revenge and football and glorious here now Inigo Montoya and Andrea Pirlo achieved meaning this is more than many humans achieve meaning can Fleet folks Focus can drift but running because everyone is running and everyone is running off cliffs and bridges with scissors and bayonets with Maps stuck to their faces. Well, what is this not play please Majestic, he knows the heart of the gameplay knows itself players aren't afraid to create new rules to Your parents or to adapt itself because of new opponents play is you a strategist returning to your principal object with a light heart. The subject is words. Andrea Pirlo has retired from football and now explain it and now explores the meaning of the second half of his life. This is a spiritual exercise for all humans. Were you must reckon with yourself before you reckon with death? Meanwhile Inigo Montoya reckon so much with death, they would have to reckon with life. Life and whether he can find a new strategy to Stave off drunken stupors after avenging his father. Is the murder Inigo Montoya flies into the castles banquet room and into a dagger count rugen had flung at his stomach. I'm sorry Father. I tried Inigo. Montoya says to the empty room. Have you been tracing me your whole life only to fail now. I don't know that I think a van count rugen says, I think that's the worst thing I've ever heard how marvelous I'm English all of a sudden Inigo. Montoya slinks against the wall and bumps to the ground count rugen says good Heavens. Are you still trying to win? He thrust his Rapier Dan Egan 1 Toya Inigo, Montoya cannot move but finds the elbow strength to Parry the council moustached thrusts. Once twice twice more you then pushes Off the Wall stumbles in his blood drenched vest and shirt and he stabs at the retreating count. Rugen. Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die. He lashes. Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die. He Jabs. Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die. He advances burn low. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father prepare to die. He searches he tells can't rude and offer him everything. He asked for the six-fingered man says anything you want and he sneak attacks Inigo. Montoya catches his arm and says, I want my father back you son of a bitch. Hello. My name is Marco Polo. You killed my profession prepare to hear about it. Running I want my craft back to you son of a bitch fight one words. So there you go. It's interesting to share and read out your work in public as you still working on it. Hopefully there's enough in there to keep your attention for 20 to 25 minutes. Like I said half the book is a bit abstract, but I'm really trying to get into the heads of all the strategy people. I know about their jobs and their lives and what's going on. On and things and epiphanies that might reach them 10 20 years into a career and I'm trying to help those epiphanies happen a bit earlier. There's probably a whole lot of projection happening in this book or I'm just trying to understand what I've gone through what I've experienced so myself and I know that not everyone's like that. I mean probably very few people have had the same experiences or will have the same experiences, but I do get lots of messages. I do talk to lots of people I do training with hundreds of people. So I'm trying to Channel all this stuff in a way we're working life. Aren't really separate if you do the work that we do and I don't think they should really be separate. Anyway, I mean they they should in Practical and self-respecting ways. But if you think for a living you don't just magically turn that off. Yet, you know timesheets all these artificial constructs and things that we use that try to control us. They're fine. It's part of the game in some situations, but you've got to explore the rest of yourself. You're not just going to a factory to do kind of robotic work and be a robot not there's anything wrong with factory work. So anyway, that's not going to edit this but this is the Fighting with chapter if you've got any feedback, let me know another two male characters there is it's kind of a little bit of violence in this strategy book half of it. It's super practical. I promise it's super practical like it stuff that you'll be able to open up point to and go. Hey, let's use this right now, but I didn't want to divorce the Practical stuff from the philosophical inquiry. I quote unquote spiritual stuff because that would go against the point that I'm trying to make in everything. I do human. We're creative thinkers. We compassionate where have a lot of conflict. We love we hate we create we destroy and so just have a book. That's about the Practical stuff. I think misses the point. This is the point. Anyway, if you've got any feedback, you can email me Mark the K dot Pollard at the mighty jungle dot CEO or DM me on Instagram or I love that Mark Pollard same on Twitter or in the sweat Head Facebook. poop and if you want something to read I have been renovating some of my old articles at Mark Pollard dotnet how to do account planning how to explain an idea things about writing a portfolio a I did put back a tedx talk I did about men which is such an awkward topic to talk about. Unfortunately. I put it back up. I don't know how I feel about it, but you can check that out and you can watch the video video is not great. But anyway, yeah, that's what head I keep it short today plenty more to come this episode might push us over a hundred thousand listens. It's exciting. I don't know. It's just a number. I'm excited. I hope you're all well know that many of us are thinking about you and about each other if you're going through rough times you Going to get through them. You're not alone and make sure you practice practice your craft. Have fun with the approach things with the light heart. There's a lot of pressure out there the world's a bit crazy. Don't get stuck in your head explore the physical body. I don't mean tomorrow layers. I'm really just talking to myself and trying to talk myself out of this New York winter, which hasn't been as rough as before. Anyway, I'm going to see you next time kids. Feel free to rate review. Tell your friends to subscribe, please.

We're about to hit 100,000 listens. Seems like a solid number. Thank you for listening and sharing it with your friends. It means a lot to me because this podcast is how I trap people into deep conversations. If you'd like to rate the podcast, which is something you've probably been contemplating, please do. Recently, I finished the second draft of this strategy book I'm writing and I wanted to read out the first chapter - Fighting Words. There's still work to do but it will give you a sense of the attitude of the book. There are two main sections to the book. The first half focuses on 24 words that I find strategists and account planners using (or needing to use) in their work (clarity, meaning, truth, impostor, lonewolf, etc). It's surreal philosophy of sorts. I want it to feel like I'm in your head because I'm channeling hundreds - maybe thousands - of conversations, emails, and meetings. The second half of the book is more practical. It compiles frameworks from my "Strategy! The Workout" training sessions, helps you understand how to apply them, while also breaking down what ideas, problems, insights, and strategy statements are. I want to get "Strategy Is Your Words" onto desks and walls (posters) around the world. There will be a digital version but... I want you to touch this and be able to point to it. I'm just starting on launch and marketing plans. I'm open to ideas :) Enjoy. Mark    For more strategy talk: 1. Strategy newsletter: http://www.markpollard.net/email-newsletter/ 2. Strategy drawings: http://www.instagram.com/markpollard  3. Strategy Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/markpollard 4.

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Now, let's go welcome to the windy night of life. The energy after seldom AfterBuzz TV. My name is Clem. Oh boy. Thank you so much for tuning in after watching NXT live from Full Sail were quote the Sawgrass hits the sky huge episode on the upswing drummer all that before we do. This is use our panel. Oh my far far left. This guy's a lifelong fan and an Alum of the challenge after show here at the bus TV. Mr. David Christopher. How you doing? What's going on man? I'm doing good. How you doing? I'm glad you came back here last year the helmet down you and I it's hag. He did everything right? There it is. New best friend. I mean, that's correct. Yeah. She's on the show today, but I'm definitely definitely go and check it out. You have the same birthday is and we had a connection. I know you were into it, but she was like I asked - you can agree on Instagram and Twitter so I was kind of getting serious. Sales overall thoughts on his episode. I thought personally it was a bit of a lot better last week. But I maybe you guys agree disagree. I like this. I think it's getting like I said in the beginning when it first started it's going to take some time to kind of adjust to being on TV versus the network and I think the storylines are getting better or they're they're getting more exciting and the matches the quilt their quality of matches are great. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think absolutely I think it's much better than last week's the matches were much more exciting. I really did enjoy. You know, I had given hard time a few weeks ago, but I did enjoy the breeze Ango this time. Like I Top Gun that was entertaining a good match. I mean that main event was crazy. You know, it's really good. Obviously the closing with oh my gosh, then what happened? So, I mean it was it was great every time I write for us. But again you guys are going to open the phone lines a little later in the show 4 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 to the number to call it was about the phone lines is that questions comments concerns were here for you, but let's talk about that main event. So three way dance and a title for About the match right now. But what happened after that match Finn Balor comes out with Champlin Gargano, you're thinking okay. This is gonna be war games then Balor just knocks Gargano in the face. They don't I start with you that was going through your mind. When you think about, you know, look doing all that stuff, you know stoked to see Bell. I mean, we kind of we kind of call that we knew was coming out right? But obviously we did not expect him to turn him. I thought for sure he's gonna be baby face, but maybe that's why he won't heal because maybe that was predictable. Yeah, I guess I'll use the whole cryptically he was in. Yeah, so I mean, it's just I mean I would have liked to see that you know that whole battle. That would've been cool too, you know, but I mean that was thanks to me off. Like wow, I think for as long as valor's. Well, the majority of time Val has been in WV + x he has been pretty much the face TK. Are you ready for this kind of heel edge of Valor or the kind of like out of sorts? I think the timing is right. I mean, he not necessarily on the mainstream but as far as wrestling Publications and wrestling fans and wrestling pseudo fans, this is good. Yeah, it's kind of fun conclusive whether or not he's joined the Undisputed era. I hope he doesn't I think the four of them is perfect. But if it does happen, I do think that be the perfect war games right having a five-man team understood error against fan against the Crusaders, you know, I don't think he needs to though. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't think he does he doesn't realistically I mean, it's a good spot from to be in my I would almost like something to maybe where he does and then it's a plan all along and he turns on them something down the road, you know me something like that, but I don't think he should write it out to his car. But he only took Gargano he let you let's see how people go so I was like, right. I don't know happy birthday shout-out to the real Whitey and real look at fake ones out there. I mean he I've seen the name of pop up quite a few times. That was well. Happy birthday. Hope you're getting all that you want. Yeah, okay. Begin by saying you and when I'm not here you choose to Poopoo what on the stuff that I have established before you even got told you that after was what about what are you talking about? I'm talking about everybody is about your cocoa butter because you got no you can't sponsor her Boudoir. There's no Buddha on that week. I mean, why not because it's TK's Boudoir TK. No, I can't do your Boudoir imagine Alexander and Jack or Jam or something else wants to do it. It's not a Sprint. You don't move. Keighley and Roderick strong. The match was crazy first things first that suplex I thought was going to be huge as much my new best friend TK thoughts about the match. I'm actually like the match. I've been cheering for keighley for quite some time. I think man. There's just something that's just a minor missing with his character. That's connect. That's not connecting with the audience. Like I'm biased we're winning. He's yeah, he's not winning but the given character wise he's just not connecting with that the audience so there's just something missing that they need to develop but I am glad that they're showcasing. It was a great match, but we all called it. He wasn't there is just no chat surprised. They took the pin Dave just double your idea about the match itself. We saw Keith Lee and Diamond. I Dakota go back and forth and Roderick strong. Somebody was like a third wheel in his own Championship defense. He liked running around like when I played 2K on hard just like idea about about the match Roger retaining and key taking the pin and it's interesting because I think etk even called it at the beginning the magic Ford started. You're like, he looks like he's just a guy holding the belt right Angelina keep belong there and throughout the match mean you saw it was it was very one-sided as far as having Hindley and II can't his name, right? I had decided to cooperate. Yes them to literally were just carrying that matches extreme the stuff they were doing there. I mean it's so entertaining. I love watching those two guys. The chemistry is great. There are product story of town there. I mean those moves are hit with awesome. So she lie with that flip over the Rope like he got his size. That's crazy. That is what makes sense. You have like a David and Goliath. Yeah. Okay, Dave and Goliath like either way. Yeah the story but David and to Goliath. Whoa, It's work is David. A good situation right here. All right, but I mean it was a you know, it fits roderick's character. I mean it was a weasel movie came in right at the end after and pretty much that carried the match and he gets the pin. I mean, you know, obviously you expect him to take the match but I mean it kind of was kind of bummed on that ending Verna. Just I know it's very young or very short but thoughts about Roderick Stones any title run now because we've had other championships Adam Cole Ricochet Velveteen dream they had ever On flavor and stamp on it but how you liking robbers run so far? Yeah. Okay. That's fair. No. I totally am with that. I really feel like it was it was like he gave to him to fulfill the prophecy but we're still don't know what Roderick is and there's been an error right? I'm feeling the same way. I'm still trying to this guy. Yeah, what's his woman start with him one shot at all, but the top of the show, which was a fantastic Max Rhea Ripley this Bianca Bellaire with the winner being the number one Contender for Shane of betas. There's Women's Championship. On paper it seemed like Rio's gonna go over but in this match, I would say I was on board the entire time. It was rich physicality and across strength Force to Bianca strength and her personality TK the right person win this match tonight. Well, I mean you already know how I feel about Bianca, right? My question is though. However, I am a fan of Korea as well. And unfortunately, I really don't like saying this but the the feud between Rhea and Shana makes more sense, even though they're kind of both Eels. Yeah versus Bianca and Shana. It's just there's there's it's almost like an energy thing. Like if energy-wise it just doesn't Shana and Bianca. Just don't match up to make it exciting. Right? Why is that though? You think I don't even couple times like way? Yeah, but it never it was never it never drew like excitement. And I and I think Bianca is there to definitely get the belt but she needs the right story line for the Bell and her taking off. Shana just doesn't even it doesn't make sense. Unless they get the right story line or something. Is there some element missing now Bianca Andrea, like real gets the belt and Bianca goes after Rhea for it. Then that makes sense. But even adding Candace Laurie Andy - like there's there's a lot of elements going and I'm for it versus just one woman going after one woman. Yeah, we're done with this to you know, your server gets involved Kenneth array gets involved after WrestleMania season with with the giant Main Event. They had there was a bit of concerned about the women's division special and exterior was a bit thin Now Dave this David your idea about this is the Women's Division St. Back on those on his way back. I absolutely think so. I mean you look at now Oscar coming back, you know, there's this whole thing to with with, you know, Bianca and Ripley Shana, I think you know that alone is building a lot of hype to and I agree. I think to answer your question to you. I think it's just a timing from Bianca. That's just it's not the right timing for her and now you know, and then to when you have you know, you talk about the energy with with China and rip It's like you we have these two monsters almost you know, I mean like that's just just a loan you just want to see that and then both these powerhouses are both it kind of like, you know, like you said heels dominant, you know Scylla and right and I'll give it to Bianca tonight. You know, like I said, I wasn't going to get a whole lot of credit against Ripley, you know before but she held her own tonight put on a great match enjoyed it. Yes, absolutely. So I mean, you know, definitely we can definitely see a tower run down the road. I think the timings just not not right, but I think overall for what you said for the women, I think it's definitely just pushing that envelope. Yeah, I know. No, I was good. Bianca herbal are some some Flack not because I don't like her anything. I know me. Yeah, my gets lots of flat. She deserves that but Bianca was always been neutral for me like so but I thought today she was definitely to came into play Joseph Moses says in the chat and Mike raise the think the women's division is stuck because Shane has been chamfer almost a year what you guys think about that one. The I feel that's going to change soon though. I truly do like I think I mean that's why you see really getting a good pushy see some of these other girls coming up now. I mean, you know knocks back, you know, there's there's there's Shift happening you can see it. So I think it's just a matter of time. Yeah, because we've seen this before like we seen an XT push other people before and you know, we thought okay. Well this is this is it change gonna drop the belt she's going to stay next to each the most rain main roster and she did she retains about but we do have a different platform now, there's a change there's a shift now. That's that's the thing though. We have a different platform and we have new viewers who might not take in the fact that you know, she has been There for a year, so they're not going to be as I don't know exhausted of it versus get people who watched it the whole time. I think you guys hit the two different schools of thought there is like hey, look we have more time or contents get some fresh faces out there some new matchups those have she and drop the belt but there is some sort of like consistency there because Adam Cole has got his belt relatively close soon changes to be like a small work there. It's hard to see what Annex he wants to do. If I was booking it if I was in my tower making that does happen. I'll definitely have real Ripley get it only because Shannon Do so much more on the main roster if she goes over there or be our new feed that's away from the belt the very have a secondary Feud but that's just me personally. Yeah, it's about the mattress. Great. Yeah. I think it's just a timing I think for all these types of things happen I think now is the right time. Yeah. We'll see what happens right? He's out so daily. Remember the state has been so long, but I was just like one of those things where we're used to WWE like for us to expect VW to change with all these amazing story lines. It's not going to happen meaning that not necessarily be disappointed disappointed it but accept WWE for who they are. It's like, you know, you meet a guy or a girl and it's like oh, well, I'm going to change it like no they just are who they are. You sound so JD. Yeah. Since you're going end up disappointing yourself, why don't you just accept the person for me it for the who they are. So with WWE it's like we've I've been covering this for maybe like two and a half three years now. I think it back. I just forgot your process like I've seen and I've seen you know other people have been covering it longer say the same thing. It's always that frustration but I'm like wait a minute WWE has been doing this this long then why why are you expecting that one day? Yeah, like it they're gonna get it. All right just for you. I think for me. It's just a Changing of the Guard in general because they're trying to push a new product just like I mean you look at the waves of different errors. I give it the Attitude Era they had to change things and they did right so it's just for me. It's kind of one of those things especially now with a ew beam back. They're going to do things that they wouldn't normally do all these years. We were kind of over the product at certain points, right? So I think it's one of those things that I think like I said, the timing makes sense now to do those shifts what we see it, who knows? I don't know but I think now that they have a lot more motive to do these different things. We have the business. Go but I really feel like there's some of an opening to do more and different things time will tell if it would be right. Maybe it could be more revolutionary than revolutionary but moving on David. He told the world how they glisten to this after but show and other after Michelle's. Yes, you can find us on that interweb all over whether it's Spotify iTunes you to wherever you like to watch us get your podcast. Please give us the thumbs up give us as likes 5 stars because obviously we can't do this without you guys. We love talking to you guys interacting getting to come here every week and do this debate with Everybody say yes. Pete Dunn Tyler bait walking outside. Apparently the hot day of Florida being asked about the whole Killian Dane and Damien priest thing didn't really Advance storyline wise today, but are we on board with with Pete Dunn and kill him day in which is broken finger and Damien priests are do we still need some time for it to cook? I said give it a little more time. I mean, we obviously knew that something was going to happen because of last week was just so abrupt and random. Yeah, you know, I'm starting to figure we'll keep walking. Yeah. I don't know. I still think priest is going to kind Of do his own thing and this going to be a done thing, you know, so I don't know. I don't know, you know, if any be done or I actually like this Carnation or reincarnation of him for this one, even though it's just slightly different. He just looks different. Yeah because his clothes on I guess but you see making us is in his onesie. I mean I'm a fan of it but I like the fact that I what I do like about nxt's that they do build those stories where you do see them backstage you do see them outside. You do see them outside the performance center stuff like that. So I do like that so I am interested and it would make me to let the to let it cook more and make me more interested in store. Like they're shot the Kelly out there doing the mailman AfterBuzz love moving on. The next match is night was Brad Matt riddle taken on Cameron Grimes and his hat now on this show weeks prior. Well more of a jack for more thing. But we always think kind of tease Cameron Grime in his hat and how it was previously a accessory eyes to gimmick. Right but doesn't match was more than Salt it was great and it may camera look good. It made Matt riddle good. I thought and retroactively I see why they pushed him so hard thoughts about the mess up with you David because we cut you off your promo. No, you know, you said it best. I agree. I think the match, you know how surprised with Grimes I'll give it to. I mean because I'm on board with mr. Bros athleticism and that guys he's great. He can you continue to impress me and then to do it with no boots or shoes on is, you know, that's crazy. But Grimes carried his own they put on a very entertaining match or some really good spots in there. I think it was when I was completely satisfied. I was like, all right. Okay, I'm with this real quick Charlene. The chat says you have been added pleasure punk rock Christopher and chocolate Abu thank you. I appreciate that. What do you think about that TK? I'm just saying well, I agree. I've been a trail for a while since since the be nice since he started on an XT and I think it's a good push the ups and downs have been amazing. And I don't know the rumors are that he might be going to the main roster. So I actually think if he does come to the main roster it will make sense. Okay, I'm bored question mark Grimes we be on board. Mm, or are you just eating some more time and is connect with you yet him and his hat just don't jump Top Hat y'all, you know, he's going to prom when wearing no clothes on that. You know, I was again I give the guy credit was impressive grams tonight and TK, I do agree with you. It's time to bring up riddle. Yeah. Yeah only because we had having said that gays being right. It's now time for my favorite part of the show is now time for TK's boudoir. Your favorite part of the show. I'm contractually obligated to say something music Jesus mom and every time there's a show but for some reason some people don't want to follow the lines and the script come to work to koat.com if you want cocoa butter scrub soaps candles all that good stuff, you know Center in company.com to get all that also you can put the little Pro. Cold AfterBuzz TV and you get a nice little discount. So definitely check that out in the Boudoir today keighley for sure. However, I do think he needs to change his trunks. I'm not really a fan of that. Here's our why specifically said that because we're someone else before their baby the baby blue just doesn't pop his skin. Like there's this there's certain colors that make black folks look great and the baby blue with his skin tone. Just does it it doesn't make a skin pop. Okay, I have to ask not what do you recommend? That you got me thinking about he could do he could do a switch. He could do like almost like either like a yellow a yellow gold with blue accents. He can do that. Yeah, so you can do different different things that baby blue is just not it's just not it's not the business. I'm not a heel the chances. I mean, he'll somehow you are you know that we have and how all these guys in the group. Chet just pile on me all the time. Just poo poo all my ideas and it's just it's not even are you gonna think I have a high self-esteem. Are you kidding me? Are you really doing the Eddie Guerrero? But I'm just saying good job Evan. Keep it going brother. Moving on it's not suffer. If we'll beat those boo thing see of the weasel or talking about. This is why I mention one lady on the female roster been experienced a why do I think they're my boo thing of the week? I gotta get your men to like why can't you be open you are kind of totally open but usually it's been women, but I could do a man for you if you want to demean you do you want from me? That tag team with Oscar. I don't see her name collectively, but they have a tag team match next week against we'll get to that soon. Our team. Kick and I'm going to say look Carrie saying her journey here and WWE has been some watch whether it's me. I'm classic win that tournament being in the pirate princess and viewing them across uneven flooring for a bit and finding a new read a bit of character. So Kari stays up within the week, but since I've been tasked to come up with a male as well. I want to give the Cameron Grimes because had a side I'd like leather vest and all that stuff. And in fact his match format riddle had him start out. We say your A fan a leather vest. Well, that's yeah, okay, we're gonna have so many closet not here for that. I got a plethora of I know I can't afford leather man. That's AfterBuzz salary. I can't afford that but no but the idea is him attacking this match with Matt riddle going for his finishing move first camera grabbed. You're my boo thing the week as well. So get with Kyrie saying and Kevin Grimes. Thank you very much. Hmm, so moving on. You called me. He'll be Toby you think about it. He gave you always he bearing me on stuff. I'm not there you I'm just saying I understand. Why hit the steel my whole thing. What was your thing? Whatever clothes? I don't wear dresses and hair we talk about the recycle teams out Whispers God change and next week. Are you cook a promo? Just saying? Okay T residence where Scott team up against the Forgotten son six-man tag match. This was a little slower Pace than I thought us. We're filling in for Kushina, but the match was still pretty solid TK said things about you. And this week we about this mesh. I think they should just call him swerve. That's one thing because everybody else knows in this world. He has a podcast with swerve the podcast is allowed even though he's signed the VW so they're acknowledging that Excellence podcast. What's it looks like is it him being like it's him and I believe I've got the guys name, but I know Aaron Monroe is on there is a bunch of different people in there interviewing people by I don't know how often it goes. I know they promote it once in a while. I'm a fan of his I think they need to find out. Angle for him but I want to call them the fashion police because that's I prefer having that. Okay, but I feel like they should bring back that gimmick. I mean I should give me the same kind of all right, they were doing it. Yeah, but like the whole they're solving crimes and stuff like that. I like that give me it was only fun for me because the Ascension were there and we never saw the Ascension otherwise, so it was kind of like this form and that's something before that before his Ascension even came. Yeah, there was in the fashion police, but for me it hit her stride because this tag team was in the business giant dudes were In the back at catering and they were using the storyline. That's pretty cool other the match David. Here's the thing. Like I said, I loved the beginning because this whole Bri xango outfit every week is it's cracked the gyration. Yes. I it was great. It kind of lost my interest, you know it I started kind of getting bored with it, but then swerve steps in and he's saved the matter man. He carried the last half of that match and just amazing some of the stuff you pulled off is awesome. So I'd probably give it like a six seven ish overall. Okay, Mom. I mean it was it was entertainment again props us were great match Bowl prediction. Well, my picture is usually wrong but I have this swerve is going to be your North American champion come WrestleMania weekend possible. Not even close. I think it's possible. I don't know wrestling any weekend, but 2024 sure. Yeah. Okay, that's fair. I'll take that as an amendment. If I'm right. I'll say it was all my idea. It's documented. I love the fact that Morrow is so when to Swerve look here. I swear it's like I love the guy. So speaking of guys with swag Angel Garza comes out kissing grandma's and aunties and the magic is Jack Gallant. Her kuzu. Wait match on an XT. We still don't know what 205 is going to be if it's if you want to be it shouldn't be not it should be not there's for two hours. I think you can do 205 live. You can do NXT UK and NXT and just put it all in one but we are we that interested in 205 live they could be if they get the right story line because that's the thing like, I don't think I'm personally not Send to a five live because I just don't have enough time to invest in watching it consistently. Yeah, right, but if you at least get to know the characters on a format that you watch consistently then you can be invested in the characters have a problem to a five. I like the show when I watch the problem is it's so self-contained. There's no reason to and it's not impossible. There's enough commercial slots. We can say on Friday and 205 lot like when Enzo was a champion though, we make fun of his in-ring ability or we say he was a loudmouth and all that his storyline spilled. Over into wrong. Yeah, so you can see how things resolved even when Titus was the manager. Yeah. What time is it was with tazawa? It was a thing. We're blood into raw. So became this like this ecosystem. He was different different show right to above happens in the bubble. So if I don't watch it, it's not a big deal exactly where it's cool for NXT UK because you're literally different country 205 to seems like oh, yeah, they have this as well. So it's cool to see the title division on an XT and little Russia's watching on Angel Garza gets to win Angel Garza, Leo Rush thought about that Preacher Man. The one I think it's gonna be great straight up. I think well, I Lera retches such a side personality aside. He is such a great and interesting wrestler because of his high-flying Antics. So I think it's going to be a great match either way. So I'm going to backtrack just a tad bit because you mentioned like Titus in Kurosawa not know know why he's not what w be no more. You had your attention right when you have talents like that that that's kind of a different bracket, you know, so I think now that we do have Rush as the champion. He's what we needed. I think for that 205 live. Yeah to be pushing that platform and yes his mouth for it. Exactly. Yeah, isn't that my mind to tell me he worked them exactly. So when you think of the 205 and those come to your mind and that's because those were exceptional talents with Charisma that just You're tense right now. I think that we have someone like that because Leo can kill it on the Mike. I think. Yeah, we're going to see Rise of 205. So hopefully it'll become personally for me more entertaining truly more invested to watch it. I mean the thing working against 205 now even with Smackdown it airs at 10 p.m. On a Friday night. So if you have a gift you give me a reason to tune in maybe maybe even if not when it's live at least live plus one day Saturday, then that's all we need for that brand to the flooding. There's nothing there's their roster is small enough to be part of any three of the Brand's agree agreed but you don't like an hour, isn't it? Yeah, it's an hour barely. Yeah, because it's usually to tape matches in a bunch of promos. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how it works with this with the draft but you're right. It doesn't have to be on his own show. They're if they're want if you want to keep it then that's what they'll do and then seeing somebody like a Leo Rush going up against somebody like a I don't know a Braun strowman. That would be interesting right Absolutely. I'll give you that too. I'm not sure what the business side of it is like if it's like Main Event how w In event is sold as an international shelter different countries if 205 has a similar agreement. I want to keeping it intact but as it is right now there really isn't a compelling even though she was great knocking the show. There's no compelling reason of like, oh, I want to see what our Aid of our is actually this week or what you grew like as in this week moving on. We had a woman's tag team match Duke and shafir to one-half of the Four Horsemen of the NXT such MMA against team kicked Dakota Chi and Tegan knocks fantastic match. There was no doubt in my mind who was Is going to win David doubt in anybody's mind yet you David. We were watching it Steve. Kaufman is on eighty three weeks with saying well the really really they shouldn't no reason why Duke is your fear should be the opponent's because it haven't really won a match and esteem for so long, but then it bother you watching this match about their win-loss record. It was a short match shorter match again. I we I think we all know who's going to win and I feel like it was more of a push match, you know, just another one to get these faces out here again, like knocks are back. Let's let's give him some excitement. Give me another push I didn't you know, I wasn't too excited about the match to be honest. Yeah, for sure. He's got a paint-by-numbers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you think they have they have a built in storyline. It's just like they're not using it and it's I Kaufman did mention it to their using Shane as or WWE's using them using Shane as a crutch and it's like maybe I don't know like I'm I'm kind of split because I think they need to keep them together and you know for the for the hope of Ronda Rousey coming in and now they're making a dominant. As the true. Mma Force for Hope four horsewomen, however If they're by themselves, I don't think they'll ever they're all I compared them to almost like the Bollywood boys. It's like if you don't if you don't see them, then you're not going to really miss them. Like I feel it because they're on 205 live which I never watched and but they were the best when there was Jinder Mahal, correct? I'll give you that so so yeah, that's my problem with Duke and she fears that when they tag team together just them they haven't really established a difference in her character's much very simple took the Forgotten Sons where I feel like well As are fine and they have some growth. I know a lot of people write them off as they're not good. And at first they weren't but that was like a year and a half ago, but is something about that's pure do quite well. That's pure should fear. Maybe that's a character issue as opposed to skill issue. But the metal is fine, you know team kicked three knee braces between them with The Shining wizard. That's crazy that says a lot about their resolve as I want to that match them against Oscar and Kyrie saying yes, this is actually last thoughts about that in the match the promo any final thoughts about that. I wonder if that's going to be like a crossover meaning that they're going to come up to the main roster and back and forth because I don't see them dropping the belts to Annex T. However, if they do and make for interesting one press and there's two more eyeballs on this platform because I don't know this the the with NXT on Wednesdays and then smack down on a weird time on Friday. It's like they're what I thought with the thoughts of it making sense doesn't really make sense to me because even super fans like have something or somebody to do on a Friday true. True true. Yeah, they were saying they annexed the women's cycling championships going to All Brands, but that was no wild card error. Some wild card rule era. So I'm not sure where that's going to be with pulls draft split, but you're absolutely right now it's time for our new segment and XT news with zika Trinidad. So like I said before there's rumors about Matt riddle moving up to the main roster. Do you think as a yay or a nay ye but up absolutely why not. He has a background is very very marketable. He's definitely himself. I mean not totally a performer. I was he on a production truck or a program or merchandise, right? And then CM Punk. It's funny how this this has been making press the last couple days. So the rumor is CM Punk will not the rumor CM Punk was in it interview promoting his movie that he's in and He said that he's absolutely down to wrestle again. And then Triple H was saying any beef that CM Punk had with them W is you know squashed but another I forgot I think I might have been Vince Russo saying said that they're just using his name and other promotions. Aw. Even House Of Glory with Master P is using the name to drum up more attention for the promotion's versus never really signing CM Punk. So do you think you're going to see it's been 2014 since we saw him. Do you think we're going to see him in the ring again? Do you think he needs to be in there? Again, a lot of fans online or saying he's trashed some are saying that he needs me back over and you think you know what I like the way CM Punk left in the sense of his legacy it what he's done in the past and at peak level, you know, I for him, I don't know if he's necessarily satisfied in that sense, you know, but I'd like to see what he did in the past kind of stay remained. I just want him to come back and it's not the same CM Punk. You know, that's the only got to be pretty well. It won't be the same right? Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of you. And I'm a steampunk fan all the way sure but that would only be my client to agree. I think he can still go. Yeah person want to see him go but him when he was on commentary when he was injured that was fine him being a manager be fine him. He's doing the backstage the show back stage is fine to write but if he's like, no, I need to wrestle. I can't knock that any performers been training with that long. Once that one last match right as I said, they're satisfied. So and then there's also rumors that Ronda Rousey you might be coming back to as well Triple H pretty much. I mean it really said she is but again the reason one of the reasons why or allegedly, right she kind of took a break as because you want to get pregnant and that's as far as we know. It hasn't happened. Dude comes back the next year WrestleMania season. I would love to see that. I would love to see I mean, I think the rug I would love to see The Rock in the ring, but where the rock is already said that he's not about that that life at all like he totally shut that down. So I Love to see her back in the ring at least to fulfill that four horsemen four horsewomen storyline, but I don't know like she's one of those people that signed to the roster that has the ability to do whatever she wants legitimate like almost like a Ziggler where their contracts are just so we just want you. Just have the WWE on your bio on your social media and I'm good with that. Like it just seems like that. They're like that. She's at that level so it doesn't really Whether she comes back or not, they're fine with it. And she's fine with it. I say she's coming back at least for one surprise appearance or something some epic match. I say she's coming back next year. Yeah, I'll be down for that. Even though I think her run was great was good. I mean it could have been better because I think they wanted to fit the her story line through WrestleMania, which makes sense. Yeah herb coming back as money like that that just, you know sells tickets especially Becky stole his belt. Yes spec especially Becky saw is about like like he's the man and I know we're saying that after the Give it a game has been released this week. That might be video game. Yeah, man, I buy the game every year. I mean, I have 17 through 15 through 18 19. How do you have time? I don't have to sleep man. I just do wrestling bro. But this year I was I was at the store. I was like, I can't do it. I just can't see the Clips online have scared me. Yeah, because here's talking about it for a while like how I think I don't know that was you or somebody is saying how they have friends who are working. On the game and it was just the the just the process of it was completely trash so that now it's coming out and now there's a hashtag that's actually trending like about the video game which is a whole bunch of issues where people paid extra money to get a sign like an autograph, but they got our graph from the wrong wrestler. So it's just kind of like there's just so many things going on with that. So somebody dropped the ball with that especially with everything that's going on now with the VW, you know, the whole Fox feel, right? Every are all the little elements are going on and you know, they're trying to establish this dominance. There's some missteps and you know, one of those things maybe you need to take a breath. Yeah. It's working to hold in the debate. Yeah, but there's certain game that should not be on the year cycle. That's one of them, but Iraq to the 2K Games in one of the 12 month cycle, it was - my and it's a shame too because Becky Lynch was on the cover but uh and Roman Reigns, they could have been like the game-changing one and then also to shout out to our sister show are eighty three weeks if you want to hear why big Bischoff got Released he talks about it on that show, too. So if you want some more information, it's there on our AfterBuzz wrestling sister Chef Grover. The phone lines at this time for 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 to the number to call is 4 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 to call in with your questions comments concerns will be here for you for us in the show. Tommaso. Champa's Journey right coming back from injury. We don't really not quite know what he isn't a character. Will you pick a smiling face? Face what is coming up pretty face ish right on the receiving end of a beat-down from Adam Cole? What do you say to my subscriber coming back David? Absolutely a face. I mean, especially when you saw the direction of Fin and then the Undisputed era, I mean, he's absolutely going to be a face, you know, I'd like to see it. I'm behind on my like top on Madam Pappy's back and I want to see something different from you know, I'm trying to acquire Goldie is definitely yeah something it's like this crazy as you know, it's like the you see the old dude with the teddy bear like this kind of that's all they were. You know, there's something not quite right. That's how I feel about his life. The only thing he wants is this belt. Yeah, so you kind of like a Eugene almost like Iteration DUI or if it's run its course, that's it. I don't think it's going to happen regardless now because there's that Feud now within so I don't think that's going to be of interest, you know, and I don't I don't really care to see it. I think the phone call coming in nice. So you're on the air with no way from hello. How's it going? We're good. We're good, man. You know, you're one of my favorites so it looks like it at the very least. It's a we have a antihero on our hands but it looks like it's a trait up. He'll turn I mean they were teasing it. My past is my present. My past is my future my future my past. Yeah. Yeah, something like that something Tom takeshita. Looks like you're feeling it. Yeah, can we say it can we say it bullet Club a little bit about that bollocks? I like it. We can whisper it I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, depending how you look at it ask you this. Is the past two years there were a signature match for Undisputed era, but they have all the belts. Now. If you're booking working, would you have title for title would you try to get Undisputed are offer that war games the match they can have other matches in the card or were you just saying whatever non-title match for war games? Well, here's the thing the title of the next takeover is working. So right somebody's going to have to finish so right well have the hospital who they put in it. That's the problem. Yeah, I mean, I think they should definitely put all the belts up because then that just seems more it's like you have your last 1,500 at the gambling table and you think this is this is it and you bet. Yeah, you bet it all in. Yeah, that's more exciting to me than holding them back. That would be pretty cool to have like a some for guys is like giving it up if I win I win any titles. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Thanks for calling. I appreciate you hon. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, man, we were talking about an XT and this whole Wednesday night War type deal and it's going to every week is going to be different. But I really thought today's episode was pretty much on point TK. What does NXT have to do to get back into our good graces as wrestling fans who are personally jaded partially partially. I mean, I don't think to write wrestling fans are dating. Okay, I think once you're a fans just like people who are fans of I was just talking to somebody about the Jacksonville Jaguars like your fan still like applicable. Right that possibility me. Yeah, because I'm the reason why that came about was because aw what the owners are aw. Also in Jaguars and like oh, that's the thing. So I feel like it's the same thing with with true fans that no matter what you're gonna you're gonna follow behind this brand and you're going to struggle between aw and NXT as far as getting the sometimes fans. It's getting that right storyline like almost think the the Lana and lastly lat. At least or line on on the oh, yeah, it's harsh but on the on the kind of mainstream is working. We got one last call today. You're on the air. We're going anywhere you from this is actually about what one signature my TV. This is Ben's. This is real Whitey. About you guys, but I've been listening to the after bus trip like for five years. I've been there actually, I don't know how well I've been there for me like I got osteoporosis arthritis and now Heart disease again came back from two years ago. They don't know why I got it, but it just got it could be because my my family and everything like that, but I'm just grateful that you guys are there. You don't know how much everyone and after bus has been there to take my mind off my pain. I have chronic back pain as well. So y'all have been there. So thank you. That's all I want to say first and foremost, you know speak. For us and say thank you. 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Y'all should know who I am by now that sound really fucking here again. I need to redo it. I'm Dorian Alton Dorian Clark Indianapolis, Indiana. What's up? Nap Town Squad what you know about and have nothing at all. I just say squat in the camaraderie. Yeah. Well, we appreciate that. Yeah, so I guess Yourself for the audience that already knows you for those who don't know. Well, my name is Dorian originally from Indianapolis, but I lived all over to my dad's in the military. So I was born in Abilene Texas. Should I forget the route now, then we moved to Japan lived there for four years then Vacaville, California, which is Northern California the Dayton Ohio. My parents are from that movie Indianapolis. Also sixth grade did Middle School their High School there went to Indiana University, Bloomington. Got my degree in Psychology was there for five years and I've actually was here. I didn't stop telling people that that's a fucking lie. Okay, I was there for five and a half. Damn. You're 6 years but a purpose or accident. Yeah a little bit of both like that's fucked up as it sounds so I started early because there's this program called a groups program and they let kids in early from high school. You know, I mean, it was for first-generation go down there and see if you can do what you can do whatever and so we started down there and groups. To like everybody's watching this like they don't know there was a funny shit of all time. But since I started there early and then my first semester, I took 19 credits I was ahead. So I started having a blast in college like my fourth semester. So, you know the first semester like you try to figure out like are the bitches they look as good as everybody say they do like or fucking Indiana blooming. Yeah. There is some bad ones and then I you like are they cool? I call my homeboy school like and for me, I want to a big-ass house. A school like 3,000 people but North Central High School, but like a my homeboys. I my clique who I grew up with. None of them came to college with me. So I'm down and I'm like man these dudes is cool, but I don't really know these niggas like that. So I'm not trying to be all cool. Well anyway, so, you know first semester figuring that out second semester is better than going home third semester. You start talking to girls so four semesters when College really kicks in like know what I'm here. And so I want to talk to my counselor going to my junior year. He was like You know, you can graduate next year. I said graduate what he said from school. I was and I started college when I was 17. So at this time, I'll have been 20 when I graduate. I said I told him this what the fuck I look like graduating college. I even turned 21 yet. Like I'm Gonna Leave a college town. I never got a chance to experience 21. I said, you know, I kind of fucked myself up when I did that because I started really like 12 credit hours. I can flunk this class. Like I tried to stay there as long as I could and it ended up being like five and Here's where I got my degree damn near six. But yeah, that's a long-ass story for that. But anyways, after that I started coaching college basketball and so once I started coaching college basketball, I went to Wikipedia. I looked up a whole bunch of college basketball programs and I started hitting these dudes up on their email. This was back in 2008. Nobody really had like LinkedIn but it wasn't popping like that. When know IG like wasn't shit like that. You really had to hit people up by email. Yeah. Did that sent out about thirteen hundred emails? He's made and recalls like mm phone calls and then one dude told me. Yes. He like yeah, you can come help and coach on the staff volunteer. This is where this was at least McRae College in Banner Elk, North Carolina. So yeah, it's actually cool down there. But the town with one stoplight so wasn't shit there. So when down there? They said they'll pay for my meals how to figure out my own housing and I wasn't getting paid shit. So I end up doing that coached got done with that. What's a grass good the University of Central Florida and my Master's Degree down there and I just really started doing the whole coaching thing man, but that is a really really fucked-up business so college and then coaching. Yeah. Yeah, like college basketball is just it's just completely fucked I say that because just like it's modern day slavery. I mean, that's what my Michael Porter talks about that it literally is modern-day slavery like you look at a guy like Zion Williamson, right? Like he was a household name this year. But if you ask the average sports fan, you know, who's the number one pick in the NFL draft? But his collar Marie like they don't know that shit, but these dudes bring in billions. So the school's ESPN like I think the NCAA tournament their deal with CBS has like 20 billion or some shit and like when you coaching these do is get really good salaries like the coaches like the young coaches, don't we get shit? Don but the older coaches like they get a really good salary and so if you an assistant coach and all you did was ever whooping your life and the only degrees you have is basically what the school gave you over the years you making $400,000 a year this 17 year old kids like Zion, he can help you out win and I'm not saying this is Ian situation. But let's say his mom calls you and says, hey, we're about to get evicted. We owe them $2,000 you make $400,000 a year this kid. It contains your program. Are you not going to give her the fucking money? I would no question. Yeah, but if you do that, that's the NCAA violation, you know, I mean and then people look at you like you're a fucking criminal and shit, like what I look like your brother but University of Arizona coach, I forgot to send Sean Miller. So actually your brother's child nearly. Yeah was he not paying students that that played on his team DeAndre and got paid. I mean his dude came out flat out snitched. I forget the names of the other guys who they pay but Sean Miller said his staff up. Like every other coach doesn't college basketball. So nine times out of ten. The head coach is white it is what it is. And then on the staff, there's an Unwritten rule in college basketball. You have to have at least one black assistant like this. So there's only three assistants spots one has to be reserved for black dude. And the reason that they do that as a majority of the players are black so you can't have a whole staff of white dudes you recruitable like dues, but to the black guy is the Recruiter because he can relate to them better. What does that mean? He drops off all the bags. So if shit ever hits the fan guess who gets in trouble. So when you look at what happened with the FBI would all these college basketball coaches. Everybody who got indicted was black. It was like eight schools and all their black assistants were the ones who got fucked up because the staff is set up like that like the head coach like Sean Miller can say, I don't know what the fuck Richard was doing like you knew what he was doing because you know the fuck Dion Draven was you knew how much y'all was paying him the fuck out of here, but yes had a staff set up. And so when you were a young black coach you coming up like that all the black coaches. They either really looking out for you. Like hey, don't fuck with that guy. Make sure you do Scout reports. Make sure you end on the other shit are they don't even want to talk to you. So I kept seeing all that shit. I moved in my twenties like 12 times. I'm like man, fuck this shit. I didn't know my own shit. Yeah, so you moved from coaching. Yeah, where Was like Carolina. Yeah, so I went from North Carolina low 20s. Yeah, and I went to Orlando Florida for grad school coach at Mount Vernon Academy under Kevin sudden. He's assistant coach at University of Rhode Island sub coach. Love you, man. He looked out for me like he gave me a career then after that. I went to VCU coach under Shaka smart left there went to Jacksonville University coach under Cliff Warren. Shout out Cliff shout out Shaka, and then I got out after that. I started coaching a you went back home me and my home. Boy, like he was really close to what was at that time the best 8th grade team in the in the country. They had Justin Roberts who played at DePaul. He's at Georgia State now Chris Wilkes played at UCLA Paul Scruggs. He's a Xavier Gary Trent jr. He plays for the Trailblazers right now. So we had a really really good team. They were really young. So I help coach them work them out all that and then the last job I took for I went in the music was I moved to Chicago because the NBA had developed this Partnership with a company called sport View and what they do is they had cameras inside of each arena in the NBA six cameras and they track everything like the angle that LeBron James runs in from the hash mark to the top of the key when he's shooting 38% from three are when you see those stats like such a such runs three miles a game and his top speed is 15 miles per hour and that Sports few. Yeah. That might be some cheetah type shit on you can run 50 miles an hour, but but but that was the company because they got that technology from the Israeli government. That's how do you subtract a missiles? So this is a company that I work for and like all idea literally was when the ship was tracking LeBron and it went and it hit somebody in the crowd. I had to take it off the chick in the crowd and put it back on the brawn and I did this all fucking well, what is it? So it is like the little tracking dot. Yeah, they're fuck it is so it's like they tracked all five players are all 10 players that were on the floor. Yeah, they track. Three rafts and in a track the ball. So that's what 14 so it's 14 dots and whenever one of those dots on like video Yeah to from the from the camera video. And so whenever one of those dots didn't would like went to the crowd or went on some chicks titties or some shit. I had to bring it back. That's all we did all night every game so you click and drag or yes, Clean Air Act that was literally what we did every night. We went in at 11 p.m. The shit had to be done before the NBA execs were in their office and we were On Central time zones in Chicago, so he worked all night. So I would get off at 7:00 8:00 in the morning. But so what way home before we go in the other stuff. What was the who uses the analytics of that all of the exact so all the NBA execs video coordinators because you can even trainers like you can see like okay the past four games LeBron usually runs two point seven miles, but the past four games here and five each game. We need to rest in the night low management, you know, I mean, it's just it's just another way. Honestly, it's another way for a geeky motherfucking to make money off these big sports teams because the shit helps but it don't really really fucking help. I think it probably helps to rest the most because they get critiqued for everything. So if a ref says Hey, I was it that angle when Draymond kick dude in the fucking nuts. Thank you. See like nigh. Your ass should have been another 15 feet to the left, you know, they're so I mean, it's just some nerdy ass basketball shoes. Yeah. I like nerdy basketball. I like the analytics shit real. Yeah, I do. Have you ever thought about going into it and Sport analytics shit? No, just because it's I don't have a background in it right now. But yeah, I dig to dig tracking analytics of of music and other things so which I'll break. I know you got wasn't a Dobby House Records still be honest. Y'all use any data that are any leaks or shit so far just for tracing on on the website like demographics and stuff. Okay. Google analytics yeah. So Google analytics via on a website that our website enjoy some Spotify analytics Spotify for artists. Yeah, that kind of same thing just demographics and I think they'll look at do you understand the Google analytics? Yeah that shit like some of it is real simple like me. Yeah no demo, but like when it comes to making business decision about how to run a degree Because they give you all that shit so you run ads with a platform. Yeah, but like does it really help you? Cuz I found for me with Google. It wasn't that helpful. Yeah, it kind of depends on you would have to utilize it. Well, if you like make a change to your site and more people more traffic, it's basically I think in my head right now, it's just a big traffic Watcher. Yeah, if you get more people or less people you can see the demographics and things and you can you can see where people are leaving your site. So they're leaving on a certain page maybe that page sucks and you need somewhere better to click on it. Yeah, if how they get there is important as well. If they're going from social if they have a direct link if they're new returning all that stuff. It's pretty helpful, but you really have to strategize out-of-the-box to use it to your benefit or at the end of the day. It's just kind of random shit. But yeah, I like looking at it. It's not fun little getting mono Spotify. They do a pretty good job there analytics to it doesn't get his details like where people come from what they I mean, it tells you where the stream comes from. That's why when people become it at us like your group 82 on the IG to my gosh it fake. Like I'm I feel like you can track to see where each of my streams have come from could that just daytime at like 3.5 million like you literally can see where it comes from and if it comes from somebody or some bullshit like Susie going to Spotify for artists you going to be able to see that real quick, but this consistent stream For any RSS listen are watching this right now if it's consistent streams, like you're going to be able to track that shit over months where it comes from. So any any business you have right now, you ain't doing some sort of data analytics to make some decisions. You just out here just like raw dogging business. And again, it's a matter of time for you get AIDS and herpes. Do you wanna real quick explain group? 82 music? Yeah, so group a to me. So after I got out of coaching and shit, yeah, I mean worked bunch of corporate. Jobs, and I realized that life is not for me like at all. Like I'm just too much of a free spirit a creative and like this sounds arrogant as fuck but it is what it is. I can't work for people that I know I'm smarter than them like that. You know, I'm saying like not saying because there's people that I've worked with and I watch it like Chick-fil-A or Wendy's or Arby's who were smarter than me at what they did at Chick-fil-A when he's already so I wasn't tripping but when I work somewhere with Body, and I know I'm just as passionate as you are about this and your ass isn't that intelligent? It just makes it very very easy for me to not respect you now. Yeah, because no matter who it is if they're in the middle manager position, they got some sort of ego about them because they have to someone's riding a asked to write y'all ass. Yeah, and so I just couldn't fuck with that shit. So I had to start my own huh? It's a big chain of it is there's a big chain of covering assets. Yeah, and whoever's at the Bottom gets all the ass shit. I guess shit comes from asking would come from anywhere else. Yes some of your mouth Galbreath. He's thinking but like so once I got out I started thinking looking at businesses and shit. Like what should I do for business? Like I need to start some really on my own shit so music right and I've told this story before but I feel like this all I know I don't need not on the 82 Point here. Yes, that's right shit podcast is just full. Stories of shit but so that job that I was telling you about like the Israeli missile missile crisis job the basketball Israeli LeBron. Exactly Israeli LeBron. He should make that nickname about to trademark that shit for you still it, but like they have so we had three screens. So the screen in front of us was the work we are working on. Where is this located? Iestyn Northbrook, Illinois, which is which is a suburb of Chicago. So we have three swing. So the first screen in front of us is his work that were working on. I'm dragging like the dot off of old girls titties to the back to the body to get on your titties like because it's a cheap piece of shit camera at the top of a Rena. So they're tracking 14.0 one. So so when the camera moves and the ball is over there like somebody got some big-ass balloon titties in the front row. They don't snatch her shit so many many tacos - your titties off, but they can lock in and analyze it but so we went to sorry. So we got one screen that's in front of us. And then that's when working on the next screen was the screen of the work that's coming up next so you can see like what games are the people were doing what needed to be done etcetera etcetera. Then we have the third screen we can watch whatever the hell we want to watch and these were Dell computers like desktops. So what I did every time I worked on while I just downloaded the Spotify app and I just listened to a shit ton of music because I'm there eight nine ten hours a night and I mean I listen to Everybody like there is nobody in the history of hip-hop prior to 2013 that was considered a good our Legend whose entire discography. I didn't listen to you. I mean I was listening to every and I even listen to like all the beetle shit all the stones shit. I was just listen to music and but after a while, I mean you can only listen to music for so much. I started watching videos on YouTube and I started looking at billionaires. I started studying all these billionaires because this job sucks. SAS, it's like the eighth one. I've had that shit. So what can I do? I gotta hold my own shit. So all billionaires were either like they daddy gave them some money. They they somebody was involved a long time ago and oil or Ford or Chevy there a tech entrepreneur or they did some entertainment / Sports. So I was like, okay, which of these has the easiest barrier of Entry your daddy got you some money. My daddy ain't gonna hand me down. Oh money like he works White Collar. He's doing really really good for himself. But we fucking billionaires like majors. And so that's an out. I'm looking at Tech my okay, like they the same age as me I could do that, but I started watching YouTube videos about coding and shit. Hold on. This is going to take a whole nother mentality that I did right now. And so I start looking at sports entertainment. They already did the sports teams like internationally. So I'm like, what do you say rest here dancing man was on the fucking list. I study his shit to he got to shit his daddy really interesting. Yeah his dad did some good shit. Two and then it's also like don't want that. So then I'm like entertainment. All right, cool. So I start studying. I'm looking like Oprah Robert Johnson. Got go to black people first. Obviously Oprah Robert Johnson took that was it and I start looking at everybody else. I'm like man, they were getting royalties off of shit that some of them didn't even write didn't even produce. They just set up the distribution channels. So I was like, okay, I've always been good at writing poetry. Like I've always been good with music. I used to play the Trump pixelated. You re music a second wire. I said man, let me try to make some beats. So I start watching beat making videos and if you've ever watched a be making video YouTube doll, like, you know, most of these motherfuckers don't know how to explain shit. Yeah. They're just clicking shit. Right? Like they just it's just like yo, can you at least give me a step-by-step guide? That's why I'm the group a two videos. I do number one. Number two or three fuck out the pilot. That's why I do all that shit because I wanted to be really easy for people to Follow, but so I started watching videos like yo this shit trash. So I started watching interviews of producers and Rich Homie Quan zhen's shit popped up and I was digging like what you saw feel like Dre and Timbo and Pharrell and Kanye. These are digging deeper and deeper title. Come across Rich Homie Quan, and he was doing like an interview in somebody's basement or some shit and he was talking about how he got on he was saying that He got out. He locked up. He got out came home his mom told him like you got three months to figure out what you want to do your life. He can't get the fuck out my house to the all right. So he said somehow someway, he got a copy of Pro Tools like me and you was talking about this for we went on like them. I need a copy of pro tools for free. He got a copy of Pro 2, that's just like $800. He locked himself in his mom's garage. He had a Macbook from one of his homeboys and he taught himself how to make beats. He taught himself how to make beats the song Some Type of Way One of the beets he went to Studio. Sorry, he went to studio recorded it. Once he recorded it put on the mixtape start gives DJ's he's out of there. I'm looking at him. I'm like I got a master's degree. If this nigga can figure this shit out. I can figure this shit out like fuck them shitty YouTube tutorials. So I just figured that shit out. I figured out how to make beats and I just figured out like the music industry and I realize there's a huge gap for Independent Artists. Like I needed a website built. I needed immersed or I needed Spotify promotion. I needed logos. I needed to just posters and graphic design. It just all these things and you got a search Fiverr search Craigslist go to Other companies that make websites for Fortune 500 Brands. I don't need that. I got 400 500 600 or website. You'll just make it for me. So I said we're group 82 music once I get going I'ma start a company that does all this shit and that's what we did and so once I started getting a whole bunch of strings on Spotify get my business Affairs together and started doing Partnerships with like Brands like Journeys and I'll perform with Prodigy of Mobb Deep 40 passed away rest in peace, like once I start to get a little bit of notoriety like nobody. Knows me like that, but I was getting a little bit like some people walking up to me on the street. Okay, I need to start this company and that's what I did and that's what group a tomb you to do. And we've helped at that. We've been in business for 13 months. I think we've helped probably like 250 artists so far I think in my head, I thought it was a little long as they might because when you because you was at our one of our first interns about a year damn, so your internship started last September last August around there. Yeah, so we might you're right. You're right. I think we started in late May or April. So yeah. So that was basically the start of it now. Yeah, you were in turn one. Like literally he got all yeah. I love John class man. But yeah, that was I hope that everybody though. I remember I remember this thing and that's Allure the you had a Anthony Bar Sileo the football player. Yeah. Fuck we start maybe way cold day everybody. All right class class of whatever college for life. That was killer Dome and that that y'all gave me a lot of confidence man, because I was like daily I can kind of lead people not be an asshole like and I'm helping all of them because it's an unpaid internship. But like I really helped like push adobe house a little bit. I know for real it was that was really a big thing with what I learned helping facilitate. Facilitate your stuff through Spotify a lot of the things I use for my own stuff and it there is a great a period of time right after we blew a shit Works, doesn't it? Yeah. So yeah, I mean the things that I learned I still do now what it like what specifically a little more about playlist ting. Really just kind of at the root of it all just fucking finding people and just not spamming but just casting a giant ass fucking net. So for people that are listening that these artists that think to shit don't work. Like what do you do when you say hey, I want to get my song added to playlist. Yeah, like what do you do find a thousand people so you can get 10 or 20. How do you find through Spotify you? You kind of dig a little bit find their other internet traces, you know, everything's a couple clicks away who talked to all that? Okay. So for you motherfuckers, they think I'm out here lying with it boo boo, but they weren't comes in. Yeah. Yeah, but it really just, you know, sometimes it takes someone that did the risk themselves first and just kind of really just like Be like, you know, it's it you just gotta dive in it's not exactly rocket science. And if it is rocket scientist, the more you do it and fuck up the more you will learn about right? Oh, yeah all the first nigga over to heal the Indian it took all the arrows like yeah a real opening. Yeah. So group 82. He said you helped how many artists about it's like 250 at this fine 250. Yeah. How do you keep a talking relationship frequently with with clients if the way that we set up its in? This is almost any business the more that you spend with us the more access that you have the US and that's why we really push the packages because the packages that we sell that are discounted the gold right now gold diamond and I mean gold platinum and Diamond packages that gives you everything gives you a website gives you logo gives you cover art gives you one on one with me. Ben analysis Wikipedia page like each package has its own shit. So when someone purchases one of those I look at them like yo homeboy serious or even homegirl like she's really serious. So let me invest a lot of time in them. And that's why the one-on-one coaching sessions is so killer like all the stuff. I talked to all on the internship. I teach them in the one-on-one coaching sessions and I analyzed your brand like we use our own algorithms and stuff to figure out what's working on your social media was not what you need to do. And that's why most of our testimonials right now our funding One-on-one coaching sessions because once we get done everybody's like damn like dog, like half the shit. I didn't even know I appreciate it because ain't nobody open Independent Artists like yeah, like everybody level of like where are most people at in their their music career whether it has question man what Nate when they come to us? He's usually they got SoundCloud link their following more people on Instagram that then are following them. So it's like they're following 300. I'm sorry three other people following them. They following And and they probably got some music on Spotify but does it have a bio doesn't have a cover art and they might have done some shows and they might have done some press now. We've got artists who are signed. We got artists who are about to get signed to we're doing real shit. We've got Artisans got huge features like who are doing and who I've been a Spotify like editorial play. This artist has worked with Talia quality and Royce to five nine and stuffed with us. And then we got people that's like yo, I just put my music on Spotify because you told show me how to on Instagram like help me. So it's a range but most of them are probably in the very very early stage like a larva stage if y'all know what the fuck a larva is a lorry was a baby as worm you ever ate one of my folks know you didn't eat bugs when you was little no I didn't eat bugs and I was like Jason and I have been eating no insects answer pretty dull know. What you doing. Fucking Indiana is probably now is actually in Ohio. My dad told me when he was in the military you get stuck out in the You got to find bugs that he yeah, it's like you can eat ants. It's a nice protein. I guess. Yeah shit I have family out. And do you know Galleon Ohio? Nobody anybody from Ohio that I've asked has no idea what that is Galia. Yeah some North know I fuck you asshole. You don't worry. I'm waiting for the day someone from Ohio psycho Galley. I've heard of that fucking thing up in there was no idea Midwest got a bunch and would have pulled out gasps towns. Yeah, and it'd be Stars sometimes I you know. That's rump. Do you wanna trouble, you know the fucking two Yachts from this is like Donald Trump's something could be like cause she does porn Donald Trump. So when we get off the podcast go to your room put your dog in this Closet in this type T out of Trump. Have a good time. I do their horn bro. She's from Russia from Columbus, Indiana or one of them. Old towns and she's rocking right now. Shout out to you out of trump shot anybody from Indiana doing shit, but she's killing it right now like her head game fire. That's all we know about to get no porn conversation diet and it means if you're killing the point and you know, it shout out to the point. How long does that last don't like dick joke sex joke and then sex with the jit. What's your drum roll, you know, it's extra like a poor career gotta be proud. Not long like an NFL running back see how long how long you that six? Yeah, but I fell out of love with it. But yeah, I mean applying love of porn know if I can NFL. Oh, yeah, me too. It's not yeah charges. You probably don't have the longest career length if you're a porn star, but that's why I like this why I tell people a group a to music like when they do the one-on-one. It's about developing a fucking brand right because even like taking porn that's actually a good example. I'm glad we What about this? Sure, but like you do porn because your daddy touched you or like you want to make some money alienate all the porn stars. You're missing something happened in your life where you like? You know what I'm II think I'm cameras what I got. Like that's all the options that I got our vaginas Pinay we go get like we go get chastised for porn stars. No, this is the shame and Coach many ways. This is real shit somebody to happen to you for you to decide. I'm gonna take it up the ass on camera for $17. Yeah, but like $15, I mean early poor like that entry-level porn stars with them like once you start going up in the game then you get it. Up you get your Prime and that's when you have all this attention because we talking about them joking but porn stars are well known like everybody knows them. They are very very popular and it's reflected. Like I accidentally and I mean it says wasn't accident accidentally came across the on Trump's instagrammed of they can all really follow them these celebrities on Instagram like that like a lot of value. Yeah, like the rock such all these celebrities. Yeah. Yeah, but I really don't follow like porn stars down like that. So I came across her stuff. She got 850 thousand followers. So I'm like she can move it. She has a brand. Yeah, and there's probably nothing more individualistic than a porn star. Yeah. Exactly. It's all her. Yeah. And so if she started like pivoted, okay, I'm gonna do cooking shows I'ma Do art I'ma Do poetry I'm gonna start selling nail polish eventually and everyone can think Kris Jenner for this people will Dare Forget about all that shit that you did and you will be taking serious as Person who built a brand not right now but 7 9 13 years from now she can really pivot into something else because it's about building a brand like anybody. That's an artist that makes music. It's about you. I'm a look at the camera. It's about you actually building a brand and then about the music like your music is marketing for everything else that you're going to do. Right? Like I make music. I love making music. I love writing and I'd still make be sometimes I love doing that love being in a studio like I'll fucking love being creative but That is probably 15 to 20 percent of my income group. 82 music does more than that's where I get majority of my money. So porn stars could do the same thing a chef can do the same thing my sister. She's starting a bakery company just amazing treats right down in Warner Robins, Georgia. Say it again just amazing treats don't want to Rob his Georgia going. Are you not getting free you need to actually pay her double because she's the best sister in the world and my nephew go Lola just can't cut it no, fuck that. Give her give her the full rate. Anyways, um, but like I'll tell her the exact same thing like you have to build a brand you can't have all your eggs in one basket. If you're an entrepreneur and this one basket where you're getting your money like music like royalties and how you going to pay your bills what happens when Spotify shut down tomorrow. Mmm, you're in the exact same situation somebody who only makes money from working right? What happens if your job says yo, we caught you on tape stealing them at your chicken wings like you out. I mean, it's the exact same thing so you got to diversify. Safai and think about what else it is that I do that. I'm an expert in where I can make money. Yeah, I mean and for me it was it was business because I could have went back to basketball and train Rich Kids on the on the side who have no chance of making the JV team but their dad will pay $1,000 a month. I could've did that shit, but I'm not you know, I mean could I want to disrespect the game like that and not saying I'm disrespected business with business like we were talking about what Tiana Trump its individual right like every day. It's the ultimate competition. Is non-stop boxing like I love that shit. So if you out there you struggling with your music or whatever it is. Think about what else you can do to make money and use your music as marketing for that. Yeah. A lot of people I was talking to a friend and an event last night and his brother. He does a visual art painting and he kind of had the idea he would graduate college and then you just sell art and and I No, it's the Grail died. He had no player was so I don't mean let's say he had some ideas list, but a lot of people have that idea and that you can just the dream of doing music and then making music your livelihood and a good reality of it is you probably need to have a source of income. That's not your music what I got to do music. Yeah, because you need money to start a business or anything in the first place. You need money to live and eat and drink water. It's yeah, it's just amazing that like all these people that here hit this man. You ain't had a hit in a minute for those of you that can't see us where we need. Where can I see it? Oh, we can't see us on I don't know what platforms we can put this out on but you follow me on Instagram at during group Aids on Instagram, right y'all get all the information about what we're doing and group 18 musical Instagram. We still deciding that but We were talking about. Oh, this is starting a business even rappers. Like it's amazing how they listen to all this music and y'all can recite all the lyrics now y'all talk about to shit, but y'all don't understand like Jay-Z has been giving you knowledge. Geez, he's been giving you knowledge tips been giving you knowledge all these dudes give you knowledge of how they finance their rap like, they weren't making music and music only when they were popping they were doing something else for them. It was selling dope. A lot of the their music is talking about the other business they It because it's marketing yakked Lee is that that's how we know Deuce Ace of Spades and 40/40 Club. I've never been in there but you're right. It's I think that the when you break it down music is just like the ultimate platform when you're popping you have the ultimate platform to make your next move. What's the what's the saying and they say that in marketing somebody has to hear or see something seven times four sets in I think I'll say no. It is like your favorite songs, especially down the stream and are you gonna listen to it more than seven times? If you got in there shit Apple Bottom Jeans boots with the fur like come on man. That's that's sales all day. Yeah all day. There was a we were talking about there was a great was going to be a great transition from Talking geography and to another topic for then when not there and I was really disappointed because there's going to be a dull transition, but So I learned of you through I came out here to Los Angeles. It's not delay live from adobe house. And the first thing I did kind of going back to that the topic of like a friend getting out of college and they can they can do music right away. I look up music jobs, which you do you can do. What was your experience with that light trying to get one the music jobs? Well I had Had no experience with something that would be pretty easy to get which is like an engineering job. Yeah, so, you know, I was looking for what getting in the studio and turning may be doing production to maybe I could have searched better. I don't know but I found you coming out here to La I thought maybe I could have searched better, but I found you. Yeah, I mean everything happens for a reason. There's a podcast. I'm doing pretty okay. Fuck it. - it in terms of the stadia should not this shit. Yeah, but you know a come out here looking for a job and I look up music shit and turning and stuff and then fucking half a year goes by and I'm still doing that shit how it is though. Yeah, and it didn't I was lucky enough to have some money saved where I could I wasn't in like a sink or swim mode. And so that I mean that was also kind of part of it where I had shit the fucking to pay rent for a minute. Yeah. So the the drive wasn't there but moving out to LA. Are you how long have you been in La for years for years? Yeah, not super long enough Miss father fucking traffic bro. Yeah. All right bike but how to like you got to hit the 10 or the 405 for some Ride a bike for 40 minutes. I don't take Loopers. It's like I'm not going to be every day every day. That's just fucking seven times fucking five every day. Yeah, and I could take the bus, but the bus takes me like 10 minutes that's going on. Well what I've been sucking in carved himself, I got a fucking carbon mask. Damn I even think about that shit for a long-ass bike ride you're behind cars for for Three minutes to time not think about that shit damn fucking I got a little sick plus the fucking in my head. I'm fucking playing it up. Hello, but I mean it makes this is real. Don't breathe it in that shit shit. Yeah. I got a fucking car to match the look like pain now. But yeah, there's so much shit about living in La that people just don't be thinking about like underrated as shit like that like like I'm from Indiana. So you type in the ways take me from Casselton Square Mall out to Avon it seemed like okay that's going to be 32 minutes. Yeah, it's 32 miles. Yeah, like if it's 32 miles here, bro, how long three hours like three and a half? I guess that's your whole fucking day. It's a wrap. Yeah and so like out here. You got a plan for that shit cuz he will ask me how I like living out here. Like I like living here. I like the weather here. Like of course, like I like the people that I've met your able to do cool creative shit. Like this is helped with the creative side when it comes to the music but the trade-off like man that traffic I mean literally like every week I get my hair cut around 12:30 one. Let's say at one o'clock every week. I have to leave my house by 11:45 and my barber shops like tuna two miles away. Yeah, right and so she cuts my hair. One shot two pair at Paris and Paris Wagner. PA are is Wagner me and her was just talking about this yesterday. Like she's a dope dope Barber Man. Y'all know y'all were out here hit her up. But like she cuts my hair. It's about an hour and we never rapping about business because she's an entrepreneurial. I mean she has the entrepreneurial mind. We might smoke a little bit and then at 3:00. I'm heading back and her Barbershop is in Fairfax. So at three o'clock 3:30 4:00, it's a it takes me about an hour and a half ago. Yeah, it's 10 miles. Make sure you have to definitely accounting for just hours of your time in traffic. Yeah, and for those is thinking like well should I know how to maneuver your motherfucking why we gonna do like the whole all eight Lanes is jammed up motherfucker. Like you can't you ain't got nowhere to go. I still don't really understand it. I think you know the thing where it like just drive like traffic how to understand traffic jam just drive nigga like his drive, you know the thing where you're supposed to be a Car lengths behind a car that's not happening. Yeah, but if everybody did that it would be a constant flow what fucks it up its people go up straight to the fucking bumper. Yeah, and it takes more time. I saw YouTube video and time more time to accelerate. You went down the rabbit hole. Yeah, what you do you go to YouTube and you know, there would be space in between so everybody has like your constant that makes everybody slowing and going yeah fucking Everybody's in a big hurry to fucking get money. Yeah. I came out here from sinful went to college in Arizona from San Diego and it's just hella people a lot more people which is like you said good for Creative sides. If there's more people there's probably more people that are going to help you and you can help in whatever field you do, but I don't know I this is I live in a really extraordinary situation. I think I live in a house with a front and a back yard as first the how easy it right like yeah nine people but like makes it nigga liquidate niggas. Yeah, but the rents lower, you know and everybody and everybody does creative stuff y'all did music or graphic arts. We have a especially because the bathrooms Be nasty as fucked over sort of God because we throw we throw events here too. So the motherfuckers come in and shit on the bottom floor. I'm on top floor. So but I'm I can almost I think my bathroom is probably dirtier than the fucking bathroom. That's always get shit in Jesus. But when in college I live with I live with four other dudes man that we are we should throw a bunch of parties and shit too man and the bathroom right by the front door, bro. Yeah. I went in there in March the everything was Brown. And like the whole like I didn't want to scrub that shit. I just grabbed a whole big ass thing upon supported in there grab whatever, you know, like the toilet sprayer disinfectant shit got like the lid you don't know because you don't clean fucking spray that shit in there. I let that shit sit for like four days to clean my toilet recently. It's nice and white man. There's pretty good. I think we hire one of the local bloomington's things that come in there like clean the shit. We gave my full dollars. I don't know what its sting is a racket, okay? Yeah, I guess things are steady a go. I don't think the cops stinks. Wait. So what y'all call CAC is never in my life heard sting for a Christian for we call chicks booties. Mmm. Like you never heard that that's the one where the booties that Regional dialect. You don't say soda or pop soda. That's just so corny. That's cool. Right? He's like the shit pop pop. It pop was the most antique word ever pop is fucking 1930s shit pop. Oh Coke is pops. Yeah, I'll Coke is pop Mickey. Yeah, I'll pop this coke. Yeah, but being I was saying being especially an artist in La I think me specifically has something that most people don't use a space and like I can make shows whenever you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and also facilitate shows What how what do you mean? Well, give people getting people a space. Okay. We're usually you got to fucking find someone that is a bar. It's all bars. You have to be 21 or out. I don't know. Maybe there's weird warehouse parties. Yeah, but for that, other than that, I don't some maybe some college big house thing. But it than that. There's no cool place to kick in a backyard with grass and that people do rap. Or jazz or rock or to God man. That's actually kill her damn in the mic and shit. Yeah, it's pocket. So do you throw like shows a y'all backyards and shit too how many motherfuckers be their pens on the show and act like yeah a nice 42 his greatness. So if you sort of artist in La I looking at throw their own shows they can do it at shock treatment has yeah promote that shadow you have start live. / contact or WS record-high Instagram is a nice way to contact a scalar is pretty low rate right now, but I'm you know, it's fucking what's the date now, July 29 2019, just so you know, you'll get it when you hit but it's really been cool. A lot of people have been like super appreciative of like The people who have been there in the people who've done shows. They're like, this is I don't know. They say special to makes you feel good. That's dope man. Yeah, we help him. Please people specially creatives. Yeah. Do y'all rent equipment or the already own the shit? We got we got a sound system. We got some speakers. I'll make sure I'll go then yeah, I don't know. That's the thing man about like performance shows to my very first video on Instagram that did very well. Was stopped doing shows for free and a lot of people got mad like, you know rappers like they were mad as fuck. Like what do you mean nigga Master P didn't think I was fucking 1991 why you do this shit? Like now you could do everything online. And so when it comes to doing shows the reason I don't do them. Like I did that project show, but financially it just didn't make any sense for Flyers. If Iran IGS. I think we might be a little bit of like Facebook and Twitter ads at that time when we want to run out. G ads I hired a DJ and I had to pay him a little bit bought merch like doing you gotta and then the way they do shows out here in La I don't know they do is everywhere but they definitely do it here on in La I did that show at not Whiskey A Go Go Los globos. Yeah. That's that's what the show was over there off of Sunset and the way they do it. Is that okay? You want to open up for Prodigy, right? You have to buy $300 worth of tickets. And then you can sell those tickets for ever you want. So $300 worth of tickets. Let's say you buy 30, you know, I mean you sell each one for four bucks. You can make you money back and so like that's how they put it in there. And the thing for me it was like this is fucking dumb. Yeah, like I'm promoting the show for the promoter. Yeah. I'm bringing the audience. I'm marketing the whole shit like not on some simple marketing like social media, but like marketing like Kenny marketing and then I get in there and they're six other people that have done the same shit, right? So six of us open for Prodigy and he comes out in was cool. But it's like total the whole night like a hundred fifteen people came. Yeah and each Act would bring like five or ten of these a group and he would come with them and then they will leave with them. When proud you got on stage Miss probably 36 people in there. Yeah. It sounds like this is fucking dumb. The Devil is a waste of time. It was dumb being on stage was cool. I got comfortable with that. It was fun, but But I that money I spent I probably spent like eight hundred dollars. I could have put that towards Instagram ads and I probably would have made 40 $205,000 especially at that time like we weren't running ads at the time, but I'm thinking when I was thinking about this before at that time, which is like three months ago with no Basho a project three years ago the what was happening on Instagram and as we were running was really getting us a really good return. So that's where that number came from. But so what y'all are are doing all kind of eliminate that the homeless That yesterday like literally basically like interrupting the paper to pay to play to model and I was like, that's the first time it kind of did Donna me every every show that we've run has been free for people to get into killer so so far we haven't paid artist but there's a collective called ubiquitous love trap. I'm from La who I run and shows that he didn't charge $5 for For entrance but paying artist every every show that they've done and you don't get that a lot with fucking weird or promoters that are putting you into some weird Ponzi scheme with tickets. So it at the same time what you saying is amazing, I would go with that. But at the same time I forgot all about this The Prodigy show was going on up front. It was like some burlesque show going on in the back. So they just kept like walking out with like the big dog tails with the federal shop his shit. If it was just throwing everybody off like yeah whose family members in there that shit. None of it. It's not cohesive. Nah, it's a bunch of random artists that are looking to do is show and that are being fucked by promoters. Exactly. The promoters are just weird as hell man. So what y'all doing skill we need to do one like yeah for real like I would do that shit and then we let people in for free or yeah dollars or eight dollars and twenty cents or 82 cents will figure some shit out, but like do that and then start filling. Filming it start put them in those videos out there. You start running Those ads you could even run an ad for like a month free concert venue for you to do your shows are or what they are. However, you want to do it. Like if like you charge the artist for this and then you can say it's going to be $200 $300 for y'all whatever made out me are pricey as and then start running that to concertgoers in Los Angeles work in independent music and when it comes to Instagram as you can really segment like that like Los Loose ages 18 to 29 in to live music in two concerts in the hip-hop whoopty whoopty. Woo people be complaining about fucking social media knowing everything that you do as someone who likes to Market things. I love that. I love me. You didn't specify that shit. Do they use an iPhone or an Android device? Like the she used to have a dick like the shit have like a size 4 and 1/2 shoe. Like you figured all that shit you can you can spy on my what I buy all the time people. Yeah, that shit works man. And like that's I'm actually taking a class about that to learn a Facebook and Instagram ads and that's going to be a service. We going to start offering at group 82 because a lot of artists a lot of business need help with that. So once my ass my ass have been doing very well, like I said, I begin three times four times to return when I put me in so hundred dollars. What's what do you calling people to do what you recall that actually for what like if you're running an ad, I'll call the call to action button. Yeah, give him to the side while I'm always putting group 82 meeting.com backslash Services. They can see our menu of services but it matters what the ad might be talking about to could you guys specify like if it's a bad time about Spotify I'ma put the link to Spotify placement because I don't want them to have to click through five links to pay. Yeah. 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Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hey guys, it's episode 102 of the secret life of weddings podcast with Lisa and Rebecca. You're a friendly Canadians here to tell you all the wedding trash you need. And put yes, and what else is up? What's going on with you Rebecca this week, you know, my kids are in exams. And so that's busy and stressful fun time. Yay, fun fun times and the kids are going to be off. My kids are gonna be off school as of Friday next week. So pray for me. We're praying for everybody. You know what though? Dude? Listen, I don't have to get up anymore to get them to school. That's a blessing. Yeah, yeah for sure and let but you know what I do. I don't mind it because it gets my ass to the gym. So I dropped them off at school I go to the gym and then I care about my day. See that's that's a non-issue for me. So it really doesn't matter on my side of things. But by the way, though, I'm doing great. I'm still doing great on my tracking, you know, I have fluctuated a little bit and I came down a couple more pounds. I'm actually as low as I've been since I've started this despite our my lacks attitude over. Our trip to Nashville. So that is the biggest thing for me is keeping track of my eating and you know calories and things like that. So yeah, I'm keep it that's awesome. You've been on it girl. Keep an eye on it. Everybody else. Keep going. You're doing awesome little bit by Aaron you all a little bit by little bit, you know, yeah. Yeah, but yeah same I was so I've been trying to I had to tell you about this because such a stupid thing. And I'm sure this is something that everybody knows but me so I don't like spicy food. I never have I can take like a little bit of spice but it's not something I will ever order you always seem to order mild everything some things have two spies. I just cannot even eat. I'm just sensitive like all yeah ways pain. Yeah. I'm just a sensitive gal. Okay, so right I got hellofresh. Actually. Remember I got some free meals from you when and And then I ended up ordering a some weeks because it was so good. Yeah, and it's also good. But anyway, they ironically this episode is not sponsored by them. But we will have ones that are coming up. They're going to be sponsored by hellofresh. So pay attention in the coming weeks people. But anyway, the reason I'm telling you this is because yeah, don't order it yet. Don't for a copay for a promo code. But seriously, the reason I'm telling you this is because hellofresh is great because you know, you get to try new things that you wouldn't normally try right? Yes. Absolutely, I wouldn't go out and try something with a hot pepper in it yet when it comes in the meal and they tell you to put a little in for a little bit of spice. I'm gonna try it. So anyway, I did it at the time with hello fresh and it was fine yada yada yada and they said in the instructions like, you know, you can wear gloves to protect your hands if you want. So when I did with the hellofresh one, I had no problems. It was fine had a little bit of spice and I didn't have any issues with my hands. So I was like, okay and this was like one of those little red peppers. I don't think it's a Yeah, but it's like a red hot pepper. So anyway, I decided this meal was really good. It was like at I kind of dish so I actually you know, they send the recipe cards so you can you can remake it right? Yes, so I went to the store and I bought all the stuff and I found a very similar pepper was a little bit different shape, but you know, I thought okay. I'm in Canada. Maybe we grope different peppers. I don't know anyway, so I bought this little hot pepper that looked as close as I could get I wasn't about to go for the jalapeno. But I got a little red pepper and I cooked the meal so I cut it and again, I didn't notice any problem on my hands and like okay, so I make the little thing and it's spicier than the other meal and that's fine though. It's not so spicy that they can't eat it. I did enjoy it. Justin loved it. He loves a little spice. Everything's fine until I start touching my face. Like I normally would touch my face. My hands have been washed many times throughout cooking. And it fucking starts burning. I didn't know this was the thing and I touched like the inside of my eye. I touched my lips I touch like everything and I'm just like why is my face on fire? What the fuck? Is this sorcery? I don't understand and Rebecca. I bit my like I'm Simon a nail-biter. I bit like a hangnail or something my tongue fucking goes numb and I'm like, what the fuck? Is this and I took me a while to realize. Oh my God, it's from the pain must be from the papr it lat. It's still going. It's been almost a week. I swear to God. I touched my thumb today to my tongue and I've showered multiple times since I swear to God it went numb. You need milk the fuck when you eat like something really super spicy and you want to cool it down. You need either plain yogurt or Mel. No, I hear you. But are you saying I should dunk my fingers in milk at this point. Yes, I I legit don't yes that too. Yeah, but it's like ingrained in my hand. I can't not will come out. Well, how long is it gonna take? I have washed my hands like 40 fucking times and I have showers soap soap doesn't get rid of it. Right? Well apparently not and this is something I should put on the package but you know, I was dumb enough to think why would hellofresh say you can put on gloves to protect her like this thing is going to explode on this is why I but this is why people people who eat mild things Like me, by the way, it wasn't the hello fresh pepper. It was a pepper. She went rogue and bought on her own pair though the hellofresh did give a pepper and say you can protect your hands to avoid this shitshow. It's just I think the pepper just wasn't a strong. Oh my God, nothing ever like it I've experienced. So that's awesome. I'm it's something else but I honestly want you about the the pepper. I ate at a wedding, right? No. Oh Oh my God. Okay. What did you do since we're talking about hot peppers. I was shooting a wedding. Right and they had a lot of South Asian Cuisine, right which I generally enjoy and I do like a little kick to my food. So they had green beans which I've never had before like that cooked. That way I was going to say you've never had green beans before I thought I was a child, but I've never had them and they look like they had a little bit of seasoning on it. And I thought I'm gonna give these are all right, so I take them. And I'm eating and the next thing I know I stopped breathing what no joke, I I was I looked at the second shooter and I was like the tears were coming out of my eyes. Like I couldn't I couldn't catch my breath. I couldn't I was not brave things that not a bean. It was amongst the beans was this crazy hot pepper and I ate the fucker. Yeah, no was I think because I was just eating and I wasn't paying attention because I took a bean at first and took a little bite just to see how how spicy it would be and it wasn't it wasn't bad. Right and I'm sitting there so I wasn't paying attention. I was watching, you know, the dance floor and everything making sure I was aware of what was going on in eating and you know us we eat fairly quickly and we're not really are all we shovel it in like we yeah. Yeah, just I fuck. Ian soon as I know what it tastes like I'm good. I'm like shoveling right now. So anyways, I yeah, I couldn't breathe. I couldn't I honestly thought my my whole mouth my throat my face everything was on fire and I was just like like gasping for air because it was so hot and he was like, oh my God and everyone's like getting me milk. I was just gonna say did you like scream? Milk, no, I didn't because I couldn't even talk like I couldn't even and he like they figured out fairly quickly obviously in a hot pepper the like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God, you're not supposed to eat those and I'm like, how are they in the fucking dead? Why are they here? Why are they in there? Yeah. So I drank I put like I filled my mouth with milk and switched it around spit it out fill my mouth with milk swallowed it and it wasn't even cold milk which made it so much worse as like almost warm because they grabbed it from the The coffee station and yeah, it was bad. I thought I was going to have to go home. Like I was in so much pain like it was Unreal small clean socks. Like we want money back. She left our wedding. Why did you leave the wedding? Rebecca hot pepper? Oh my God that I was. Oh, wow. It was so bad. And so by heard of photographers injuring themselves. I've heard of them getting sick. I've even heard of like crazy crazy things never heard of a hot pepper taking down a photographer. Yeah, it was bad and they're like, are you gonna be? Okay we didn't tell I didn't tell bride and groom didn't tell any gaps. It was just me the second shooter and the servers that were working there and they were just like gonna be okay. I'm like, I don't know I sent my second shooter off to shoot the speeches because I was like, I just could not function in that moment your life. I think my fingers burned off. I have can't do it anymore. And you know me like, I guess I shoot a lot of like South Asian weddings. Laughs so I was every time I saw that dish I was like hell to the fucking know and I told everybody surrounding me and then I remember this one guest said to me. Oh, you're supposed to put the yogurt with it and I'm like no no, no, no nothing is saving me from that dish man. Nothing. You need to know what that was called. I don't know. We have any South Asian listeners, please tell us because I'm very curious to avoid this now. Yeah, it might yeah, it was not good. Not that I'm that adventurous if I ever see a pepper next anything. I'm like go away when I was pregnant. I loved spicy food like I would put Tabasco sauce on hot wings. You know, that's a good way to go into premature labor. Oh my gosh, I don't know what the draw was it was weird. But anyway, I know I'm a hard. No on the hot spice. I just can't do it. I'm aware totally. Yeah. Yeah, not not a fan. So I want you to do something for me. I feel like I'm like a ten-year-old honestly with this shit. You are a 10 year old but you know what? I'm going to be a good sport. Okay for our listeners be a good sport and don't try to figure out Just Go With It. Listen. Where do you get this crap for my daughter? Do not I do she does this shit to me. It's so wrong because it's a lot of them are very wrong just wrong. But anyways, great. All right. All right, I'll be a good sport. I will not think about it. I'm just going to be like hey, what's up? Okay. Okay after every sentence I say I want you to say addicted. I already understand it. Okay, when you drink too much alcohol you are addicted when you take too many drugs you are addicted. What hit you in the face this morning. That's a good one. If you if you do that to someone who's not expecting it, that'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be fun. I wasn't expecting it when she did it to me. I'm like, that's so rude. She's got all the good dirty. Oh my gosh. She's terrible. Just so everyone knows in case you're new my daughter is not an eight-year-old or anything like that. She'sshe's not wholesome and she's not know. She's 15 so we should bring her on as a writer write. Oh my gosh. She's so funny. She makes me laugh all the time. She's so funny how she didn't she Those people who doesn't know she's funny. So she doesn't even need these little gimmicks and tricks and stuff because she's already funny. So do you know something else totally random popped into my head yesterday and I was like, this would be a good conversation for the podcast and like for our fans group on Facebook. This is what I think about when I have nothing else to think about you're just laying there looking at the ceiling in your bedroom. What pops into your head this pops into my head. If I could have a superpower, but it had to be like really boring really ordinary. What would I have what would I choose? And do you know what I chose? I'm already think this question is completely out of left field and random. So go ahead. I told you this is what I think about when I'm alone. I really boring superhero power. Yeah, but it's good. Listen, you ready boy, I would be able to always Know where things are. Isn't that called being a mom it well, no because I will then I'm bad at it. Let me tell you but like, you know when you're freaking out and you're like, where are my car keys or where did I leave my phone or where's the remote to the TV or anything? I lost my little camera recently. I was trying to find it. I would instantly know it's there. That's why I left it there. It's there that would be my ordinary superpower. I thought of another good one. Like do you what would you do like if you had what's funny that you say that because My whole family says they constantly say if Mom can't find it. It can't be found because I always seem to know where everything is or have an idea where it could be. Right? Well, I'm calling you now, they're gone because I'm a fucking dumpster fire when it comes to finding things like I do the thing where you put it in a safe place. Yeah, especially things like passport. Yeah, and and and then I can never find them again interesting, you know, like yeah. So I thought of another really good one. What's that? always knowing What traffic is going on isn't that the way he's out have it? Yeah, but actually in your head right so you don't actually have to look at anything. You just no interest so you just know to go this way because you're going to get there fast. Yeah, you'll never you'll never hit an accident again. You'll never hit traffic again. You just go. Okay. There's no stress. You look good word for the most boring superpower here power. Oh, yeah. I had another really good one. Okay, this is the last one. I'm treat ready. This is fat. I really I think you'll dig this one. You ready? Being able to cook without measuring ingredients. Okay, I can get behind that. Although I don't I'm not a measurer. I measure like my food cuz I'm dieting and stuff, but I don't measure ingredients. But Stacy same superpower could apply to dieting. I want to have two cups of this. You just take a handful throw it in its two cups by Magic because that's your superpower. You could technically you could give yourself that superpower and just be like I know Well, you'd probably be wrong. But but it would you I according to yourself. Are you wrong? You're just you're just in denial for Becca. It's seven cups and you know it but I hate measuring stuff out like one of the things I hate most I like cooking but I hate like getting the measuring cups and trying to do this and conversions and all that good. Yeah. I just want to fucking take a handful of something throw it in and it's exactly the amount. It should be for what I'm trying to cook. I'm Saying that would be awesome and an incredibly boring superpower very much. So but you're definitely not helping the world with that. What is the world needs really good chili, you know, maybe I can maybe I could help things. But anyway, I just thought that would be fun. Oh, jeez cuss. These are the things that creep into my weird little mind when I have nothing else to think about. All right, should we do in the news? Let's do in the news country singer Chris Lane and reality star Lauren Bushnell are engaged. Nobody knows them. Nobody cares. I love that. You don't even bother to ask me. I think you know, I'm there's got to be someone out there who cares that I'm giving this information. We have to have some like modern country fan. Yeah, you know, yeah the audience I don't I'm sure I've heard one of his songs at some point. I don't know who she is like reality star for where I didn't even look into it. I was just like there's no point because no one's going to care. Dude, I'm so old I don't even try with me but congratulations to you guys. That's really awesome. And I'm super well, this isn't wedding-related. I'm look I guess it could kind of be I'm super loving. Okay. I know everyone thinks I hate Taylor Swift. I don't hate Taylor Swift. Can I just say that again? Got you hate Taylor's I don't hate her. I hate how much our concert ticket prices are. That's right. You really hate ticket. Mymy. Yes. I hate how expensive tickets are two. It's it really pisses me off. Anyways, Taylor Swift's new music video. You need to calm down. I fucking loved what she did. I love would you as someone I love that. She's you know out there bringing more awareness. I love that. She's basically calling out protesters and shit. I fucking love it. I love that. Of course my boy Ryan Reynolds, isn't it? Love that? Okay. Is in there Katy Perry Ellen DeGeneres a ton of other folks from YouTube like YouTubers and stuff. So awesome. My daughter knows all their names. I don't so much anyways, but I love the mess again old. He's spreading with this new music video. I think it's fucking awesome. And I'm like seriously fist bumping her right now. Can you tell me a little bit about what the song is about what the video is about because I have not seen it. Obviously. It's telling well, it's well, it's about you know gay rights, you know, the lgbtq+ community and you know, like Like what does she mean by you need to calm down because what people are still freaking out right all better against are whatever it's wrong sure. They're protesting it and it's so funny. So I'm going to the Toronto gay pride parade this weekend and I'm super excited my God Rebecca. You're going to see so many Wang's well, I hope I don't see too many only because my daughters will be with me you will I accidentally saw so I live downtown and walked by it one time the you will see many let me tell you and I love love our friend Kim for I was talking telling her that we're going down to the parade and she's just like, you know, I just want to give you some advice. She goes there's going to be protesters there and I'm and I was actually shocked. Yeah, actually, I never hear about that because we live in Toronto and you know like not downtown but that's a big thing here first. I was shocked and then I was like, yeah. Yeah, I guess there would be when they're like sadly there would be when they're you know, what it is though. They don't give them it's great. They don't give them the media. So that's why you don't know about it because yes, and I'm so glad we don't give them the media. Anyways, she says just ignore them. She was they're not worth your breath. They're not worth your words and I'm like, you know what? That's solid advice men. She goes, there's no point. There's Quite saying anything she was just it's a battle you won't win. So yeah, I could see you picking a fight with the wrong prototype. I know you I'm like that's gonna be so hard not to say anything. Oh, no, it's good luck with that. Let me know how that works out for you and we'll talk about it the next week of the podcast and I want to know I haven't been to the Toronto Pride Parade. I've never been I'm going this weekend with my daughter's I'm super pumped about it. It's going to be fun. Yeah, it looks amazing. I've no I've never like I said, I've never gone I accidentally walked by one man. Yeah, and there was just some really creative costumes going on on the sidewalk. That's all and I wasn't even like right at the parade route. It was just remotely nearby. It was crazy. Yeah, it kind of takes over the city a little bit, right? Yeah, and I'm taking it one step further. Oh, what are you doing now are always going to be fucking shocked by this are you getting on a At naked because I can totally take sides to be like go Rebecca taken note off. Nobody needs to see this take out the girls. They are screaming to come out and fly. Yeah. Yeah. So my daughter has made me a shirt. Okay, and on the shirt, it says free mom hugs. I love that. Oh my God. Okay. I see this in the news. Now. This is a whole thing. Like there's a whole community of for free. I'm hugs but I love that I said to her I said I would like, you know, I've seen all the videos and everything and I said I was so upset by it. I know that I could I could never I can't I can't I could never do that to my kids. I know it hurts as a mother to see someone that has done that to their little one like and then I saw there's a group of Milton moms that are going down as a group to do that and I I'm going with my daughter's though, so I kind of To make it an army. So who I am. Yeah my one daughter she's making her short to well, they're both making their own shirts or whatever. But anyways, then I said I would talk she goes would you would you do something like that? And I said absolutely they know I'm not a big hugger. Oh, that's true. I hate. Oh my God, and I said, but you know what I said that I would do because I genuinely genuinely feel that there needs to be so much. More love in this world. No kid. Like I genuinely feel it to the my fucking Corps and I was like, yeah go for a bed make me the sure I'll do it and not not I don't feel I have to or anything like that. I actually really want to so, yep. That is this awesome. Not a hugger is gonna be a hugger. Yay. If anybody wants one go girl do it. Yeah, put our logo on the back free advertisement. So funny we Really mom hugs just and if no one wants a hug, no one was like that's totally cool too. But I just want people to know that like, you know, I'm here for you girl. That's so nice for anybody everybody. I'm so proud of you. That's so fucking awesome. And your kids are awesome. So good job Mama. Yeah my one daughter. She's like is it weird? If I put free sister hugs? I was going to suggest that and then I was late at all. I was gonna say like totally do that. I know if you're cool with that or not, but I was and I had that idea too and I was thinking that would be Cute. Yeah, I'm super cute. Really nice younger daughter. However, she's not a hugger so know she's like so my older daughter was like, oh I can I put free sister hugs and I'm like, well, you totally kind of you want to I'm like like third-party really proud of your kids right now. No, I uh, my kids are cool. They are cool. They're cool shit. They are the shit. So we've been hearing a lot lately about the whole Jimmy Fallon wedding fails, hashtag, which we get tagged on a lot. Yeah, and it's been wasn't it last year touched on this been ongoing for a while? These are new ones just for the record. Okay, cool. I didn't I didn't go back last year. Yeah, I think they're new so and so yeah, Jimmy Fallon essentially calls out, you know for wedding people to send in their wedding fails, hashtag wedding fails on Twitter. And obviously, this is a real good fit for our show. So it kind of worked out so this Well, we just want to say thanks to Tamara for giving us a heads up that this was going on again. She's on our fans group fancy secret life of weddings on Facebook's. Yes, and you can also join our flick chat Group, which is another way to chat with us. You can check the show notes for the link to that as well. So this first one is from Gus on Twitter when my brother got married his wife laughed uncontrollably throughout the ceremony because she had just found out that he was wearing Spanx under his tux. X oh my God, all I can picture not just for women everyone parently. I did not know that but all I can picture is a hairy man. I hairy hairy man in Spanx why a hairy man because it makes it funnier right? Can I oh my God would pay money like really good money for a video of a man trying to get in and out of Spanx. I bet there already is one. And guess what? I'm doing after we record I expected on my desk by Tuesday. I'm going to find one. Okay, Bobby from Twitter rope went to a destination wedding in the woods and had to share a cabin with a guy who brought his own personal Wi-Fi hotspot. So he could keep track of what Gordon Ramsay was up to every time I turn on my phone. It asked me if I wanted to connect to the Ramsey. Louder okay confession time. That was me and drag. Yeah. I have a Ramsey router to you know, there you go. Oh my God, that's that's yeah coming soon his arraignment. That's crazy. This is from Kim on Twitter. My hubby and I were married in Vegas. He danced and sang along with the music thinking we were rehearsing until the officiant pronounced us husband and wife. My hubby said Oh, okay. That was it. We celebrated 23 years this year. That's too far. Wow, that's funny and fun. I love it Christy wrote when the pastor asked for the Rings. My husband had them in a plastic ziplock bag. He said he didn't want to lose them but such a male thing to do. I actually thought that was smart to be fair are so practical. It's painful right like I mean, oh, Did he at least you drop it in sand your goes when you drop it, you know T at least bedazzle the bag or something. I don't know about that but little cursive writing with a sharpie anything. No, I love Ziploc bags. You probably don't know this about me. I love Ziploc bags. Really? Yeah, like I put leftovers and lose up lock bags. That's awesome. Actually. So Christmas comes. All I have to do is buy you zip locks. Okay deal got it. Got it. Jackie wrote on Twitter. My husband delivered his beautiful vows. I almost cried when he finished. I calm myself look sweetly at him and say ditto and that's why I'm gonna do that. That's a woman who just wants to get to the honeymoon so funny. I love it. Oh my gosh as photographers. I don't know how many times you showed up to a wedding Rebecca, but there would be like missing ties. I don't know suit jackets to be the wrong size always there's always a mishap with someone suit and we have a new sponsor generation. Tux who have solved. These problems, you know, you have everybody running around like crazy. You picking up the suits before the wedding day. You got guys flying in inevitably there is a problem with the suit with generation. 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That's what I love about you your I did my job to follow through again a hundred and two episodes in a row. Congratulations on your record and it was how I was about jewelry store workers. Oh, that's a fish on drama during engagement ring shopping. That's a good category. We've never done right? Yeah. You can create up here. It's titled. He tried to do the right and paid a huge price. So about 10 years ago. I was in my early 30s still working for my dad at the jewelry shop. He owned his health was declining. So I had pretty much taken over the duties of running the shop a young couple came in that looked about 20 and they told me that they wanted to get married and wanted to look at engagement rings. I went through the normal line of questions. What kind of style what's your price range Etc and through all of Of it. I could see that the boy was just so happy that he didn't care. The girl was so extremely picky and rude and the boy just wanted to make her happy. She ended up picking out a said that was worth about $8,000. I could see in the boy's eyes that he probably didn't have the money to pay for it. But he agreed that he would come back. He came back alone about a week and a half later with eight thousand dollars in cash. Oh my God. I'm not one to turn away. Money, but I couldn't help but ask him where he got it. He said that he sold his car that his father had bought him for graduating from college to pay for the ring. Oh, I told him that it was a big thing for him to do but he was an adult so I didn't try to talk him out of it. And anyway about four months go by and the girl comes strolling back into the shop except this time. She's with a different guy. Oh, no, and it was the same. Exact story of both of them wanting to get married and they were there to pick out a ring. I was in complete disbelief that this girl was with somebody else and was pulling the same strings that she did for the other guy. It made me so angry because I remember the other guy that had sold his car to make her happy. I bit my tongue for the most part but through little snide comments here and there like, hey, you look familiar. Have you ever been here before? She denied all of it? Of course, she picks out another ring the whole set was worth about 4,500 the guy agrees that he'll come back and I'm in complete disbelief of the deja vu that I'm experiencing. Wow, but then it gets worse. The girl asks me if I buy use drinks. Oh, no, my blood instantly started to boil, but I kept my composure and told her that I did she then pulls out you guessed it the ring. And that I originally sold to her ex that she conned. She said that it was her grandmother's ring who recently passed away and I just snapped I said, huh? That's weird. You said your grandma owned this ring because it looks exactly like the ring that I sold to your ex-fiance a few months ago. She turned beet red and got absolutely furious with me cussing me out saying that I was a liar Etc then. She looks at her current boy toy and says well do something. He looks at her looks back at me hesitantly and apparently her spell of Seduction was strong enough that he decided that lunging at me was a good idea. He caught me with my hands down at first and knocked me back into a cabinet which shattered while I was down. I managed to trip my silent alarm. He then came at me again, and I managed to get a couple of shots in we're going Toe to Toe for a good 30 seconds when suddenly I felt a warm sensation on the left side of my back around where my kidneys are I was in shock and it was like in the movies where I touched the area and brought my hand back up covered in blood and complete disbelief. Oh my God, the other guy was in disbelief to and stopped attacking me. I turn to my side and there stood the girl with a freaking knife in her hand. She stabbed me. Oh my God. I thought the glass around. Back like for sure when the when the reality of what happened said in I got extremely dizzy from all of the blood loss and fell to the ground. They ran outside only to be apprehended by the police. I was taken to the hospital and later found out that she had lacerated my kidney and I was a lot closer to death than I originally thought. Oh my God. Girl that took a dark astern. I know Lee sorry. It was too good. I'm like we have to share this. I was like, this is amazing. It's like a movie. Oh my God. I really wish we had like a hellofresh out to go into right now. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's crazy who Breanna knife to of bring appointment? No, that's crazy. She's packing apparently. Oh kidding shopping fucking crazy. Wow. 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So why not get started today go to better help.com the secret life of weddings discount code The Secret Life of weddings. Take care of you today God. That was corny. Ha ha so we have an update to our shitty sister Saga. That was we do on the show recently. So if you don't know what I'm talking about before you listen to this part go back and find I think it was just a A two-part Saga wasn't super long. So yeah, it was called I think shitty sister. So I have been out of the country and haven't listened to Parts two or three but just downloaded them for the plane ride, then I remembered. Oh, so I guess there's three parts. Yeah, because this is from listener. Don't forget guys. So this is what our listeners saying is she wrote in again then I remembered I got married so you probably need an update also. She is two years younger. Almost to the day. So again, let's just remember if we were wondering how like what the Aged that's right. So she's two years younger than her sister who's getting married who was getting married. This sister was the one who, you know got drunk pretended to be sick didn't show up at the bachelorette. She was just really self-centered, right? Yeah, that's kind of a good summary and the mother as well was like really enabling of the behavior wasn't she? Yes. Yes, okay. I left off with my sister announcing that she was getting back surgery the week of my wedding. That's right. Thank God. I have one sane parent my Dad shut that shit down real quick. He/she has rescheduled her surgery until after she graduates in a year and a half. So she got she could like wait a year and a half yet. She did it like two days before your wedding. Wow, that's crazy attention attention seeking much cheese people that required that much attention. I worry about them. Yeah, they got problems. We really didn't talk after the bachelorette party for almost two months. She called a couple times. I answered once and all we talked about was a new restaurant opening on her way to school. So I decided to just ignore the calls. I work all of the time and ours are weird. So it was easy to blame that well two weeks before the wedding. My sister called me out and said she had been trying to call. I stated very matter-of-factly that I didn't want to have. Have shallow conversation when she can't find the balls to apologize sister gave half-assed reasons why it was hard for her to apologize me being me. I just kind of Let It Go all of it forgive and forget. She's really bigger. Good. / you're such a good person. I would not be the weekend before the wedding. My mother starts getting on me about my plans for wedding week. I tell her I have stuff all Saturday and all Sunday. I think Sunday and some small things on Thursday and Friday when I get down there the first thing out of her mouth sister gets in Friday night. So you need to go get your nails done Saturday morning so we can all go together. Now. I had plans starting at 9:15 to pick up one of my bridesmaids from the airport run a couple of errands and do a makeshift welcome lunch at the beach with all of our friends. When did she expect me to find time before our to p.m. Rehearsal together? Get our nails done. I said that simply wouldn't work and that she can go with sister that morning, but I will need to go Thursday. Mom throws a small fit. But ultimately I put my foot down. I made my nail appointment and told her she could join if she wanted then I tell Mom about my Friday night dinner plans with my matron of honor who lives in Japan and her best friend who lives near my mom and we are also friends so that matron of honor will get to see her friend while she's in the country. This again won't do since my sister gets home Friday night and she invited to families to have dinner at our house and I need to worry about entertaining all of my guests that traveled not just my best friend family one lives in Tampa and I see them every time I go home every other month and family to lives close to my home and is notorious for being late dinner was supposed to be at 6 and they showed up at 8:30 granted. They had an eight-hour drive still in my opinion. I guess like it's not cool. I gave in on this one and told my matron of honor to go have fun fast forward to Saturday the day before the wedding me and my then fiance were planning on picking up our bridesmaid and running the errands by ourselves since we had to leave so early. Nope sister got up early so she could come with us. They're like what Joy whatever not a big deal. We run our errands and when we went to check out at Publix she offered to pay what is Publix like a groceries at a grocery store. I've never heard of it. Okay Canadian. This is the same girl who didn't want to spend two bucks on a koozie. Now. She wants to spend $50 on fruit for us to have in the room. I tell her it's fine. I got it. Then she tells me my mom gave her two hundred dollar spending money for today. So she could cover us our activities included buying this fruit and going to a beach dive bar with friends couldn't have spent more. More than $75 between us three if we tried this in addition to the one who I was going to say invite me to the bar. I will help you. Yeah spend that money and it will be no problem. I really love those fancy cocktails that are like twelve twelve dollars each, right? Yeah. I'm very high maintenance when it comes to drinks. I love the fruity shit. I love the fancy stuff. Give me a cocktail with a little umbrella. I am a happy girl. This in addition to the hundred dollars. She got to get a mani-pedi that she pocketed and did the nails herself. All right, whatever trying to be the most chill bride ever despite these tests we go to the beach and sit at different tables doesn't really bother me at all until I stand up to go to the bathroom. She needs to go to great as we were walking in from the beach. I noticed there is a bathroom trailer think one step above a porta potty I start to go in and she starts yelling about how unsanitary it is. I state that I don't care. I just need to pee and sister states. She won't go in there fine by me I walk in and do my business and it is time to leave as all of the cars pull around I put her in another bridesmaid in the car with a groomsman. This groomsman did not pay for valet parking and parked in the third spot in the adjacent lat sister turns around to me and says you expect me to walk I say yes, it's 500 feet away. She goes on to suggest that he bring the car around to them. I tell her and the other bridesmaid that they can walk to the other car or find their own ways of the rehearsal everyone except the ring bearers who are two and were napping showed up to the venue for the rehearsal on time. I talked with my coordinator and the venue coordinator about what I wanted when it came to the ceremony the venue coordinator said that she would be the one directing everyone when to come out. She was a little soft spoken. So for the rehearsal so that everyone got a feel for it. I called it out parents first and our officiant escorting mom from the aisle. I was in the groomsmen and groom from a different style. The little kids bridesmaids me and my dad besides my coordinators. No one in the wedding party was paying any attention on when to go so I start of this is just our favorite part of the day when you're starting to like her. Corral wedding party, please. Do this nobody's listening and you're just like fuck my life. So I start yelling out. We were across a garden so I had to be loud when to go. Well my sister thinks it will look better if the littles follow the parents and start sending the three kids under five out. When I am yelling at the groomsmen to go. I look at her and tell her no and the flower girl thought I was talking to her cute ears forget I so my sister if she doesn't Know what she's doing. Then there is no need for her to talk the rest of the rehearsal. I didn't hear you can stop talking now. I didn't hear a peep out of her until it was time for us to go out that night. Someone had a brilliant idea to sneak. Our seventeen-year-old musician would have been a bridesmaid of she was older into a 21 plus bar. I tell sister to stayed back about 10 minutes or use another door so that they don't get caught she follows. Has two people behind the 17 year old who was also using her ID. They both get kicked out and she texts me and tells me to go with her to the bar next door. I invited all guests under 45 to come out with us. No way. I was leaving all of my friends especially since fiance was having his makeshift bachelor party when he was supposed to come out with everyone The Men Who I text back that I wasn't going to do that put my phone away and That with everyone at midnight we go back to the hotel to find her sitting in my room. She was in the second room sobbing. I asked what was wrong and she blubbers about how she wanted to hang out with us and is so upset that she didn't get to and that she didn't want to give the seventeen-year-old the ID and we didn't you get it. It wasn't her fault. I tell her it's fine and climb in my bed. Wedding day was fairly uneventful that's actually like an accomplishment and a half for their prey. Yeah. Seriously, I'd say she made my mom's which hair times with her because sister didn't want to have her clip-ins along. It was an extra hour besides that she was smart and any questions she had she just asked through a different bridesmaid and she stayed far far away. That is very very good idea. I am sure one day everything will be better. But as of right now things are Still rocky with sis Mom has left me alone the past two weeks. So we are good and I am married and just getting back from my honeymoon. Sorry for the second Saga don't apologize girl. Thank you for being a place for us to vent and share stories and I can't wait to keep following the series. Love you all. Thank you. The your series your Sago is great. Your Sears was great. Like thank you so much for sharing it with us. You are absolute Peach. Each and we love the update because you know, we all love update and we never get them. So yay. Yes exactly gay for updates. Whoo. So back to Jewelers confessions murderous was like murder murder kill times. Whatever is going on apparently jewelry stores. Did you ever see that video speaking of George Jewelers did you ever see that video of the woman who is like pranking Jewelers and she Walk in I think it was in China she would walk in and she'd be looking at a ring is I did and then she'd start walking towards the Exeter running and see what they would do and a lot of them fucking jumped the counter and just bolted after her and yeah, but then she'd stop look so funny so funny. Oh my God, I'd be so mad if I was the person working at the store, I'd be so mad. So putting that in the thread for this week's episode in our group. So if you want to see that go to our Poop on Facebook because he should put it because that that was that was awesome. That was so yeah so good. Okay. This one's called she faked them out. There's a group of ladies out there who thought I was serious when I did this. Oh my God, this actually sounds like I'm talking about the story. We just talked about right a local jewelry store was closing down and they were holding liquidation a liquidation sale. So my boyfriend and Popped in to check it out. He heads immediately to the watches and I'm drawing the Rings. I'm not even going to the ring section. Don't even think about it and I'm browsing the Rings. He finishes first comes over to see what I'm looking at and does a Homer Simpson and slowly backs away if I can do the bushes Madge I threw a fit I don't even remember what all I said something like, oh you can Look at a $700 watch but you can't even glance at a ring for me. If you don't want to marry me just say so and I stormed out of the store. He followed concerned only to find me laughing my tail off. Thankfully we have the same sense of humor. So he found it funny too, but he still hasn't put a ring on it. And you know what? I bet you will find that Jewelers story in Reddit saying it how that happened. Probably probably and probably, you know security video, right? As that's great. So this week for Double D's we are doing what dating? Yes, so these are some of so Jimmy Fallon of course has dating fails or I can't remember the hashtag and this was a couple of them. Jimmy's right up our alley a Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy seriously, so couple dating fails for you quick and dirty like we like them. I once took a girl to Starbucks because I forgot her name. You know what that's a fucking brilliant. I might use this one day. Oh my God if I ever that's fucking amazing if I ever forget if I ever have like a business transaction or something going on, let's just go to Starbucks malice, but then you have to be like you by right because they'll pour you be like her no, well my for my drink I want it Rebecca and then you turn to the me go you Something that or just say it for my drink I for our for my, you know, very bare refresher with lemonade. Can you put Rebekah on it? And then let them talk or do you know what that would do is slide is slide to the side. I don't think the yeah, that's true. You have to really prompt them. But just in case I might do the here's my card to pay for it. I got to go to the bathroom here and plop it down and run and let them give the name and then no matter what the name on the cup is going to be there's true unless they like got a real funny. You know wanted to write like mr. Smelly pants or something stupid like that. Right? Can I just say I think I've told this before but I don't know if I did or not and it was one of the sweetest cutest things a client ever did for me and it's kind of on topic. So before we forget I was at a shoot an engagement shoot for one of my clients and I had my assistant with me and my clients got us Starbucks, which was you know, in and of itself a really sweet gesture so they were getting Starbucks because cuz they were going to use them as like, you know, a little props or something like that. Yeah, which is really and and they're just awesome people so they went in and got us our orders and on my cup they wrote world's best photographer and on my assistants cup there world's best second or you know assistant or some but it was just the ski is like it gave me goosebumps, you know nice and I'm just saying if you want to like practically make your photographer cry. Yeah, I don't Starbucks and have them have Starbucks right that on the cup because seriously it was like cute. Yeah, you never left my heart, you know. Yeah a little thing for us. So yes, so back to the shit show. The next one here date was so bad. I gave the waiter 20 bucks to spill my drink on me to get me out of there that's desperation. That is amazing desperate to get out speaking of desert. Would just be like I'm done here. Seriously, we're done speaking of desperate. I'm re watching Desperate Housewives now. Oh, are you I am I'm re-watching. I watched it years ago and I am I have Amazon Prime right now. I've decided to re-watch it. It's awesome because I remember like nothing. Well, it's actually shocking how little I remember. Yeah, you know, how you re watch a show and you're just like, oh, yeah. I remember that. I right. Yeah. It's like I'm experiencing. I'm only on season two and I'm experiencing a lot of like did I even watch this properly? Yeah before kids I think but I do like so when I'm falling asleep to fall asleep, and I this has this not be cut Big Bang Theory is bad or anything like that. I watch reruns of Big Bang Theory, uh-huh to fall asleep to right and there was one on last night that I had. I don't recall seeing and I was like that's impossible. I've seen every single episode and more than once and I sat there and I sat up watching it and I'm like, whoa. Well this defeated the whole purpose of this right now because if I were you if it's something I've seen already I generally will fall asleep because I know what happened. Yeah, you're not getting attention as much as you yeah, but this one I didn't see and I was just like damn it. No. All right. Don't recall seeing it. But yeah, Justin can go to sleep. Like he has to go to sleep watching something but he can all be new I can't I will pay attention to it. I will listen. Yeah. Yeah. Nope. Not a thing I can do now same. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It was ugly. So anywho, yeah, can we thank Charlotte Solomon. Yes. Holy shit. Do you think Charlotte last week does Charlotte? I'm so fucking Charlotte Charlotte Solomon Charlotte Charlotte. Give us Charlotte. We adore you forgive us Charlotte's are wonderful fabulous producer that helps make the show possible. If you want to become a producer as well patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to become a producer get episodes early. The show anything if you enjoy the show, if you enjoy the show you owe us. No, I'm fucking kidding. But seriously, if you want additional episodes things like that, you can go over and sign up Rebecca K is our new Patron this week. So thank you to Rebecca your namesake my God. I think I like you Rebecca. She likes you already and massive. Thanks to Charlotte as well for this week and last week where we forgot to mention you. Yes. Oh my God, so we just wanted to quickly make one final blanket statement to make sure everybody knows what we feel in our hearts to be our message. Is that or our philosophy? Is that is that a good way to put it sure and because I don't say anything as well as I should or explain things as thoroughly as I should. 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there were two more murders 15 miles away arrival epochs or tell me how to write my one investigator as reminiscent of what we now live in a world of Lyft and Uber where we rely on drivers who are vetted by a company to take us safely to our destinations those in past Generations weren't so lucky and had to rely on complete strangers to get rides on September 26th 1995 a43 Three year old mother of two would accept a ride from a stranger that she met in a bar and was never seen again alive that is so if you like your coffee hot, but your bones chilled so back and start your day with a morning cup of murder. Sometime between 8:00 and 9:00 p.m. On September 26th, 1995 a woman named Virginia Jackson arrived in a taxi at Broncos bar and Dickson, Tennessee with her was her dog a large purse and a pillow. She seemed to be going to spend the night somewhere and stopped at the bar before hand already in the bar was Jerry Ray Davidson the two Sat near one another but did not Converse eventually the bar began a close down and Virginia called the cab. Need to pick her up. However, it was already closed. So instead she accepted a ride from Davidson getting into his pickup truck around 11:30 with her belongings and dog was the last time anyone ever saw for junior Jackson on October 1st after not hearing from Virginia for about a week her family grew concerned and filed a missing persons report prior to reporting her missing Virginia's brother-in-law saw a pile of clothing lying alongside the road leading to her home, but Nothing oven but by the 18th, he reported the clothing after growing suspicious of her disappearance when police investigated the pile they found hair clips that Virginia was wearing the night. She disappeared a cell phone panties a pillow as sweatshirt and a sock the next day two deer hunters found, Virginia Jackson's nude body partially buried in a shallow grave. She was lying chest down, but when examined it was found that her torso had been cleanly cut. Open from sternum to Navel her organs exposed her head was missing though. There seemed to be a spot where her head was when the grave was initially dug. Her trachea had a clean sharp cut and her hyoid bone had also been cut. There was evidence that animals have begun to consume parts of her exposed body. So experts were unsure if her head was taken away by the killer after burying her or if an animal carried it away toxicologists determined that there was alcohol and Oh Zach in Virginia system at the time of her death, Jerry Davidson being the last person to see her alive became the obvious suspect though. All the evidence was circumstantial. He was the janitor at a hospital department when after September 26, he failed to return to work nor had his mother heard from him in almost three weeks his mother reported him missing but six days later withdrew her report because Davidson called her and told her he was on an extended camping trip, but there were Witnesses. Reports that put Davidson in the area that Virginia's body was found in the days following her disappearance according to a local woman. She saw Jerry Davidson driving his truck slowly around the area with an object that was tightly wrapped in a white sheet in his passenger seat between October 2nd and the 6th Davidson came into a local One-Stop Market not far from Virginia's home covered in dirt up to his waist. But according to Davidson the night of September. He simply gave her jigna a ride to the grocery store nearby and left her very much alive. However, these strange sightings and witness reports were enough to execute a warrant to search Davidson's home where they found a 20-gauge shotgun shell in his home and the gun in his truck also in his truck was a tent to shotguns a knife handcuff keys and various other items the bottom of the passenger seat have been cut out and a chain and padlock were found around the seat on October 19th. 1995. Jerry Davison was arrested on his person at the time of his arrest was a 25 caliber pistol a knuckle knife a pair of handcuffs and a 20-gauge shotgun shell when questioned this time. He denied even giving Virginia a ride before changing his story back to the he dropped her off at the store the officers keeping the fact that her body had been recovered a secret. Ask Davidson to hypothesize what may have happened to Virginia his response quote. Maybe someone got her and chained her to a tree and that maybe they'd find her head and hands missing to avoid identification. Once they told him that they had found her body at asked what he did with her head. He responded I haven't told you that I killed her yet when DNA was tested on the blood found on the headrest and Davidson's truck. The blood was consistent with for Jenna's blood type though, they could not be more specific than that. Davidson's lawyers argued that all of the evidence was circumstantial. They also argued that because Virginia had been hospitalized between 1978 and 1995 for depression and alcohol abuse that maybe she simply died from an overdose prosecution stated that Jerry Davidson could have used the surgical instruments from his work to make the cuts on Virginia's body at the end of the arguing and the trial Jerry Davidson was convicted of first-degree premeditated murder and aggravated kidnapping and was sentenced to death in 1997 in 2016. His sentence was commuted to life without parole due to his ineffective counsel during his original sentence according to his attorneys. 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We now live in a world of Lyft and Uber where we rely on drivers, who are vetted by a company, to take us safely to our destinations. Those in past generations, weren’t so lucky and had to rely on complete strangers to get rides. On September 26th 1995 a 43 year old mother of 2 would accept a ride from a stranger she met in a bar and was never seen again. Alive that is. Jerry Ray Davidson Kills Virginia Jackson(1995) Become a supporter of this podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/morningcupofmurder Follow Morning Cup of Murder on Twitter: https://twitter.com/cupofmurder @cupofmurder Follow MCOM on Instagram: @morningcupofmurder Have a Murder or strange true crime story you want to share, email the show here: morningcupofmurder@gmail.com Morning Cup of Murder is researched, written and performed by Korina Biemesderfer. Follow Korina on Instagram: @kbiemesderfer Information for this podcast collected from: https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/dickson/2015/09/28/daughter-mothers-killer-needs-die/72981868/ https://www.google.com/url?q=http://caselaw.findlaw.com&sa=D&ust=1569301706091000&usg=AFQjCNHl0lt_8dvw3Hg8NBruE6vEPKzSwA --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/morning-cup-of-murder/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/morning-cup-of-murder/support

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He must manage the best way you can but I must be kind to them the Alice or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go. Let me see. I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas. And she went on planning to herself how she would manage it. They must go by the carrier. She thought and how funny it'll seem sending presents to one's own feet. And how odd the directions will look Alice is right foot hearthrug near the fender with all of Alice's love. Oh, dear what nonsense I'm talking just then her head struck against the roof of the hall. In fact, she was now more than nine feet. High and she at once took up the gold a little key and hurried off to the Garden door poor Alice. It was as much as she could do lying down on one side to look through into the garden with one eye but to get through was more hopeless than ever. She sat down and began to cry again. You ought to be ashamed of yourself said Alice a great girl like you to go on crying in this way stop this moment. I tell you but she went on all the same shedding gallons of Tears until there was a large pool all around her about 4 inches deep and reaching halfway down the hall after a time. She heard a little pattering of feet in the distance and she hastily dried her eyes to see what was coming. It was the White Rabbit returning splendidly dress with a pair of white gloves in one hand and a large fan in the other. He came trotting along in a great hurry muttering to himself. Oh the Queen the queen. Oh won't she be Savage if I've kept her waiting Alice felt so desperate that she was ready to ask anyone for help. So when the rabbit came near she began it alone timid voice. If you please sir, the rabbit was so startled. He dropped the white gloves and Van and scurried away into the darkness as quickly as he could Alice grab the van in the gloves and as the hall was very hot. She kept fanning herself all the time. She went on talking dear dear how queer everything is today and yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night. Let me think was I Say when I got up this morning, I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same the next question is who in the world. Am I now that's a great puzzle and she began thinking over all the children. She knew that were the same age as herself to see if she could have been changed into any of them. She tried to remember her lessons and said, how dot the little And she crossed her hands on her lap as if she were actually saying her lessons and began to repeat it. But her voice sounded hoarse and strange and the words did not come as they used to do how doth the Little Crocodile improve his shining tail and pour the Waters of the Nile on every golden scale how cheerfully he seems to grin how neatly spread his claws and welcome little fishes in with gently smiling Jaws Now wait, I'm sure those are not the right words said poor Alice and her eyes filled with tears again as she went on I must be stupid after all I must be Mabel. I shall have to go and live in her tiny little house and have no toys to play with and oh ever so many lessons to learn. No, I've made up my mind. If I'm able I'll stay down here. It'll be no use putting their heads down and saying come up again dear. I shall only look up and say to them who am I then tell me first and then if I like being that person I might come If not, I'll stay down here and tell somebody else. But oh dear cried Alice with a sudden burst of tears. I do wish they would put their heads down. I'm so very tired of being all alone here. As she said this she looked down at her hands and was surprised to see that she had put on one of the rabbits little white gloves while she was talking. How could I have done this? She thought I must be growing small again. She got up and went to the table to measure herself and found as nearly as she could guess that she was now only 2 feet high and going on shrinking rapidly. She soon found out that the cause of this was the She was holding and she dropped it hastily just in time to avoid shrinking away altogether. That was a narrow Escape said Alice a good deal frightened the sudden change, but very glad to find herself still in existence. And now for that garden and she ran with all speed back to the little door, but alas the little door was shut again and the little golden key was lying on the glass table as before and things are worse than ever. She thought for I never was so small as this before and I declare that this is not good. She said these words her foot slipped and another moment Splash. She was up to her chin in salt water. Her first idea was that she had somehow fallen into the sea and in that case I can go back by Railway. She said to herself. Alice had been to the seaside once in her life and had come to the general conclusion that wherever you go on the English Coast, you'll find a number of bathing machines in the see some children digging in the sand with wooden Spades then a row of lodging houses and behind them a railway station. However, she soon made out that she was in the pool of Tears, which she had wept when she was nine feet high. Oh now, I wish I hadn't cried so much said Alice as she swam about she tried to find her way. I shall be punished for it. Now. I suppose by being drowned in my own tears now, that'll be a strange thing to be sure. Everything is so strange today. Just then she heard something splashing about in the pool a little way off and she swam nearer to make out what it was at first. She thought it must be a walrus or hippopotamus, but then she remembered how small she was now and she soon made out that it was only a mouse that had slipped in just like herself. Would it be of any use now thought Alice to speak to this mouse? Everything is so out-of-the-way down here and I should think very likely that it can talk at any rate. There's no harm in trying. So she began o Mouse. Do you know the way out of this pool? I'm very tired of swimming here. Alice thought this must be the right way of speaking to amounts, but she had never done such a thing before though. She remembered having seen in her brother's Latin grammar the mouse of a mouse to a mouse for a mouse. Oh Mouse Mouse looked at her rather inquisitively and seemed to wink with one of its little eyes, but it said nothing perhaps it doesn't understand English thought Alice. I daresay. It's a French Mouse come over with William the Conqueror for with all of her knowledge of History. Alice had no very clear notion how long ago anything had happened in history. So she began again we estimate shop which was the first sentence in her french lesson book. The mouse gave a sudden leap out of the water and seemed to quiver all over with fright. Oh, I beg your pardon cried Alice hastily afraid that she'd hurt the poor animals feelings. I quite forgot. You didn't like cats. No. No, I cats cried the mouse. Would you like cats if you were me? Well, perhaps not said Alice in a soothing tone. But don't be angry about it and yet I wish I could show you our cat Dinah. I think you'd fancy cats. If you could only see her. She's such a dear quiet thing. Alice went on half to herself as she swam lazily about in the pool and Dinah will sit purring so nicely by the fire licking her paws and washing her face. And she is such a nice soft thing to pet. And she's such a Capital One for catching mice. Oh, oh, I beg your pardon cried Alice again for this time. The mouse was bristling all over and she felt certain. It must be really offended. We will talk about her anymore if you'd rather not. We indeed cried the mouse who was trembling down to the end of his tail as if I would talk about such a subject. Her family always hate it gets nasty low vulgar things. Don't let me hear that name again. Oh, I won't indeed said Alice in a great hurry to change the subject of conversation. Are you fond of dogs the mouse did not answer. So Alice went on eagerly. There is such a nice little dog mirror house. I would love to show you he's a bright-eyed Terrier with such long curly brown hair the new fetch things when you throw them and he'll sit up and beg for his dinner and all sorts of things. And he belongs to this farmer, you know, and he says his dog is so useful. He's worth a hundred pounds. He says the dog kills all the rats and oh dear cried Alice. I'm afraid I've offended you again for the mouse was swimming away from her as hard as he could go and he made quite a commotion in the pool. She called softly after him now steer. Please come back. Again. We won't talk about cats or dogs. If you don't like them when the mouse heard this he turned around and swam slowly back to her. His face was quite pale with passion Ellis thought and he said to her in a low trembling voice. Let's get to the shore and then I'll tell you my history and you'll understand why it is that I hate cats and dogs. It was high time to go for the pool was getting quite crowded with the birds and animals that had fallen in. There was a duck and a Dodo and a lorry and England. at many other curious creatures Alice led the way and the whole party swam to shore Alice led the way and the whole party swam to shore

ASMR soft spoken reading of the beloved classic, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll in 1865. Enjoy with headphones. Alice looks for something better to do and follows a white rabbit down a massive hole in the ground. She falls for ages, even thinking she has fallen to the center of the earth, when she finds herself in a curious and strange new world where animals talk and bottles of potions can change one's size. Each chapter of Lewis Carroll's classic story will be read as separate parts. Join me as we learn what happens to Alice in Wonderland and the importance of the white rabbit she so carelessly followed down the rabbit hole. #asmr #softspokenasmr #lewiscarroll #aliceinwonderland#aliceadventuresinwonderland #classicstories#originalfairytales #brothersgrimm#asmr #readingasmr #asmrforsleep #asmrfairytales#fairytales#hanschristianandersen #originalfairytales #whisperedfairytales#softspokenfairytales --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.